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  <row Id="7" PostId="1" Score="0" Text="Can user35287 accept the answer?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T03:54:13.683" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="14" PostId="1" Score="1" Text="user35287 was a temporary user created while things weren't quite working perfectly a few minutes ago, and has since been deleted, so no, they can't accept the answer." CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:07:19.637" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2" PostId="4" Score="2" Text="Should have happened automatically; might still happen automatically, but I'll poke at it a bit." CreationDate="2013-06-25T03:37:12.747" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="104" PostId="4" Score="3" Text="Now when you say generic... over what universe? ;-)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:46:43.670" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="3" PostId="6" Score="5" Text="Thankyou! This is a much better option for the sorts of voting and viewing patterns we get." CreationDate="2013-06-25T03:49:00.080" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="4" PostId="6" Score="5" Text="Thank you very much!  That's fantastic news." CreationDate="2013-06-25T03:49:20.727" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="11" PostId="7" Score="2" Text="Furthermore, it always had the same little logo at the top of the web browser indicating a &quot;tab,&quot; which I now realize was tea leaves all along." CreationDate="2013-06-25T03:58:29.687" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="129" PostId="7" Score="0" Text="Is *tea* an acronym, a pun, an abbreviation,  or something else?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:49:47.483" UserId="450" />
  <row Id="130" PostId="7" Score="2" Text="It's in reference to all the math teas: https://www.google.com/search?q=math+department+tea" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:55:01.087" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="17550" PostId="7" Score="0" Text="A new link to tea is http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ - see [tea.mathoverflow.net deprecated](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3960)." CreationDate="2018-11-03T23:16:50.590" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27612" PostId="7" Score="0" Text="For people who come to this question/answer searching for old tea discussions, I will add this link: [Tea archive (mathoverflow.tqft.net) seems to be down](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4438). (Some possible alternatives where to search can be found there.)" CreationDate="2022-08-25T04:43:39.637" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="8" PostId="8" Score="0" Text="It might take a while since they need to be recalculated. On the other hand, you can enjoy each notification again!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T03:56:13.630" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9" PostId="8" Score="0" Text="Or lack thereof, if the old badge has no analogue... :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T03:57:06.983" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10" PostId="8" Score="3" Text="I feel sorry for Joel, who will have his inbox spammed with badge notifications for days..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T03:57:30.390" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="12" PostId="9" Score="0" Text="Ah, forgot about that system. Problem solved." CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:00:05.430" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13" PostId="9" Score="0" Text="I can't even accept your answer yet - need to get used to the computer nanny telling me what I can't do now. :-S" CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:00:40.353" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="65" PostId="10" Score="0" Text="When a new user visits an SE2.0 site there is text on top that suggests the user visit the [about] page. The top section of the about page is editable by moderators. That is a good place I think to explain the scope of MO and how it differs from [math.se]." CreationDate="2013-06-25T06:53:00.467" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="69" PostId="10" Score="1" Text="Absolutely; this is rather urgent. What do we do now when somebody posts an off-topic question?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T07:11:28.057" UserId="4790" />
  <row Id="106" PostId="10" Score="2" Text="Angelo: I found the old &quot;how-to-ask&quot; here: http://mathoverflow.net/help/how-to-ask" CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:51:51.713" UserId="21684" />
  <row Id="711" PostId="10" Score="1" Text="If you check out the meta.MSE site you can find all sort of FAQ posts with explanations and whatnot. It's reasonable that meta.MO will have such posts as well." CreationDate="2013-06-27T08:49:26.173" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="81" PostId="11" Score="2" Text="I had a drop from 7.5k to 5.2k..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T08:36:44.957" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="168" PostId="11" Score="0" Text="I lost about 1.000 reputation points! :-(" CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:20:26.457" UserId="1047" />
  <row Id="169" PostId="11" Score="0" Text="For some reason I lost only about 100." CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:55:12.107" UserId="824" />
  <row Id="232" PostId="11" Score="0" Text="I have now 417 but I think I earlier had 507." CreationDate="2013-06-25T18:34:04.997" UserId="12643" />
  <row Id="589" PostId="11" Score="0" Text="Drop from nearly 7k to 4.1k for me" CreationDate="2013-06-26T21:22:21.353" UserId="1355" />
  <row Id="1125" PostId="11" Score="0" Text="Mine went from 3900 to 2740" CreationDate="2013-06-30T03:01:03.983" UserId="2784" />
  <row Id="135" PostId="12" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/164516/please-ping-moderators-whenever-the-sites-about-page-gets-modified" CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:13:57.330" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="174" PostId="12" Score="0" Text="Try it again now. I see lots of options to choose from. Probably just a process that needed to catch up after the migration." CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:21:38.647" UserId="35540" />
  <row Id="394" PostId="12" Score="0" Text="Lots of tasty questions to select from now." CreationDate="2013-06-26T05:03:15.050" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="406" PostId="12" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Anton. I'll accept your answer." CreationDate="2013-06-26T06:56:25.897" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="16" PostId="13" Score="1" Text="Duplicate: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/185722/mathoverflow-has-become-stackexchanges-main-attraction" CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:15:31.087" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="22" PostId="13" Score="0" Text="Oops, I accidentally migrated this; I didn't realize it was so easy to do!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:21:12.223" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="24" PostId="13" Score="0" Text="You can clear migration history." CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:22:40.607" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="146" PostId="13" Score="0" Text="Well, think about it... MO is a generic SE site now. Being generic it must intersect every dense set in the ground model, and in particular it now fits *all* the previously known categories! :-P" CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:31:14.850" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15" PostId="14" Score="4" Text="OK, that makes sense. I'm surprised that didn't lead to a larger decrease, to be honest." CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:15:01.497" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="93" PostId="14" Score="2" Text="do you have a link where to see these changes, maybe with an explanation why it changed?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:06:54.190" UserId="21291" />
  <row Id="161" PostId="14" Score="4" Text="@ChristianStump http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/03/important-reputation-rule-changes/" CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:43:58.733" UserId="4059" />
  <row Id="311" PostId="14" Score="0" Text="It seems to me that after a decrease by 300+ after the system up-date, my &quot;reputation&quot; still dropped by another 100 or so. the next day or so. Is it regular or is it a bug?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:27:49.433" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="463" PostId="14" Score="2" Text="Alas, SE seems to disbelieve John Wheeler's dictum that &quot;At the heart of everything is a question, not an answer.&quot;  Oh, well." CreationDate="2013-06-26T11:59:17.343" UserId="7252" />
  <row Id="784" PostId="14" Score="3" Text="@AndrásSalamon: I do not really understand your comment. If you are critical about this change, I would only like to register that there are various users that got quite a number of points while I think most everybody would agree they know too little to even participate in the site properly.  This is a considerable problem; I am glad it got somewhat less of a problem via this change." CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:53:38.443" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="794" PostId="14" Score="4" Text="@quid: My comment is not about gaining/losing reputation via the change.  That is largely irrelevant.  I do, however, care that awarding half points for a question encourages answers rather than questions.  This might be appropriate for StackOverflow, but it is antithetical to the basic nature of most scientific disciplines.  Often good questions spark much exciting scientific work and new discoveries, while good answers often close the door.  I believe this is inherent in the nature of science, and specifically the scientific method.  Moreover, it is true of this site." CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:57:59.533" UserId="7252" />
  <row Id="798" PostId="14" Score="0" Text="@AndrásSalamon: if somebody needs the points as motivation to ask a question here, I prefer they do not ask it. (The same goes only to a slightly lesser extent for answers.) I repeat my point that to me this is not about incentives but about giving the ability to moderate the site. (This applies here as on SO, and this issue was also AFAIK the main reason for the change in the first place.)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T22:28:13.400" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="845" PostId="14" Score="3" Text="@quid: Points are a signal as well as a means of motivation.  The site is clearly signalling that a question is only half as valuable as an answer -- whether the person doing the work actually cares about the points or not." CreationDate="2013-06-28T06:50:05.053" UserId="7252" />
  <row Id="852" PostId="14" Score="5" Text="@AndrásSalamon: No, it is not signalling anything about the value. It is signalling that from questions it is on avarage harder to infer than from answers what the user knows about the subject at hand and therefore there need to be relatively more instances of good contributions of this type before making an (automatic) decision based on the perception of the contributions. This is amplified by the fact that one can self-generate the question-instances while one cannot for the answer-instances." CreationDate="2013-06-28T09:42:03.010" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="854" PostId="14" Score="0" Text="@AndrásSalamon: To put this differently, I think there are *many* sites on the network where I could ask something that would be perceived as a reasonable question for answers this is a lot less clear." CreationDate="2013-06-28T09:46:40.310" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="21" PostId="15" Score="0" Text="Can you point to the account corresponding to your old user? You should be able to find the profile page with the search box at http://meta.mathoverflow.net/users." CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:20:22.410" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="23" PostId="15" Score="0" Text="This is my old account.&#xA;http://mathoverflow.net/users/18503/john" CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:21:31.820" UserId="18503" />
  <row Id="26" PostId="15" Score="0" Text="I also had to create a new account. Could someone merge them? Thanks! Old account: http://mathoverflow.net/users/8838/dls" CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:32:37.797" UserId="8838" />
  <row Id="57" PostId="15" Score="0" Text="My accounts got merged, but I still show up with rep 101 in meta." CreationDate="2013-06-25T06:34:57.877" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="72" PostId="15" Score="0" Text="Could someone merge my accounts too? They are mathoverflow.net/users/3603/wouter-stekelenburg and mathoverflow.net/users/35398/user27375. I prefer the full name one." CreationDate="2013-06-25T07:39:58.957" UserId="3603" />
  <row Id="195" PostId="15" Score="3" Text="It seems like this issue is affecting a lot of people. Is there no way the merging can be automated? I'm http://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/35567/ben-millwood and http://mathoverflow.net/users/26698/ben-millwood" CreationDate="2013-06-25T15:36:37.970" UserId="26698" />
  <row Id="378" PostId="15" Score="0" Text="I'm going to delete answers to this question which have been resolved (i.e. when a user has been merged, and has shown some activity indicating that they were able to use their old account), so that it's easier to keep track of outstanding unmerged accounts." CreationDate="2013-06-26T04:51:31.377" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="405" PostId="15" Score="2" Text="It seems very impractical/tedious for this error to keep being fixed on an individual basis; Ben Millwood's comment is very apt." CreationDate="2013-06-26T06:38:48.360" UserId="35361" />
  <row Id="25" PostId="16" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:26:55.737" UserId="18503" />
  <row Id="27" PostId="16" Score="2" Text="Where can mods merge users? I expected it under mod &gt; links, but I can't find it there." CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:34:46.977" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="32" PostId="16" Score="0" Text="Since I saw in the chat room that you had the double account problem, @AntonGeraschenko, and that you contacted the SE people to merge, I had assumed that mods couldn't now merge accounts and so I contacted the SE people when the same thing happened to me." CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:50:02.253" UserId="644" />
  <row Id="58" PostId="16" Score="4" Text="@Anton, they removed the moderator merge a few months ago. The instructions for users to request merging of their accounts is here: http://mathoverflow.net/help/merging-accounts" CreationDate="2013-06-25T06:39:10.080" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="28" PostId="17" Score="1" Text="It's not a big deal, so let's for now drop the request about ordering." CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:36:00.287" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1435" PostId="17" Score="1" Text="I’m not sure whether it’s related, but http://stackexchange.com/sites?view=list#traffic lists MO as the last, with “5 visits/day”. That must be off by several orders of magnitude." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:09:02.913" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="1439" PostId="17" Score="0" Text="Could it be that the number of visits is recorded only since migration, but it’s being divided by the total age of the site?" CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:17:20.927" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="35" PostId="22" Score="0" Text="Oh, I didn't see this. I [asked](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/24/6085) essentially the same, with another example." CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:53:07.630" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="95" PostId="22" Score="1" Text="I have been using backticks a lot in answers, questions and comments and now they render incorrectly. Will it be possible to fix this problem automatically? There are too many of them to do it by hand." CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:21:53.980" UserId="12547" />
  <row Id="128" PostId="22" Score="1" Text="If I remember the original discussion, the backticks *were* supposed to be fixed automatically. Did something go wrong?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:48:31.170" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="231" PostId="22" Score="0" Text="For example my answer http://mathoverflow.net/questions/104866/brown-representability-for-non-connected-spaces/105049#105049 is completely messed up. I'm not sure whether this is a problem with backticks. I think I used them when I wrote this answer but I don't see them when I look up the source now." CreationDate="2013-06-25T18:25:09.660" UserId="12547" />
  <row Id="37" PostId="24" Score="0" Text="Related: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/22/why-is-latex-not-displaying-correctly" CreationDate="2013-06-25T04:55:58.683" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="43" PostId="24" Score="0" Text="In this answer it seems the math crosses over the text http://mathoverflow.net/questions/20960/why-is-the-gamma-function-shifted-from-the-factorial-by-1/42607#42607" CreationDate="2013-06-25T05:06:38.853" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="359" PostId="24" Score="0" Text="I have come across several broken posts, partly due to the use of backticks. However, here is a question which seems to be completely broken, but has no backticks: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/70419/unbased-spectral-sequences. Interestingly, when you try to edit the question, it renders fine in the preview." CreationDate="2013-06-26T02:29:20.173" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="565" PostId="24" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade, I fixed that one.  Put {} around subscripts." CreationDate="2013-06-26T19:09:35.157" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="41" PostId="25" Score="4" Text="Ah, that must be, of course! I'll wait then before going through hundreds of answers, despairing, and trying to edit them one-by-one by hand." CreationDate="2013-06-25T05:04:01.517" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="240" PostId="25" Score="4" Text="I have removed a majority of the backticks that exists in posts.  If you do fine a pattern in the anomalies I'll be happy to fix them up without you having to do any work." CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:27:36.883" UserId="35286" />
  <row Id="343" PostId="25" Score="1" Text="Thanks, @GeoffDalgas !" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:39:11.133" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="42" PostId="26" Score="0" Text="Dear Scott, Thanks for the explanation.  Cheers, Matt" CreationDate="2013-06-25T05:04:02.997" UserId="2874" />
  <row Id="55" PostId="27" Score="2" Text="That trick also worked to fix bad latex on http://mathoverflow.net/questions/134405/a-question-in-fourier-analysis" CreationDate="2013-06-25T06:16:18.753" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="45" PostId="28" Score="0" Text="I see &quot;Questions on Empty are expected to generally relate to , within the scope defined in the faq,&quot; which is more than a little weird." CreationDate="2013-06-25T05:14:09.877" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="46" PostId="28" Score="0" Text="Maybe it should have said &quot;Questions on $\emptyset$ ...&quot; :-P" CreationDate="2013-06-25T05:18:10.753" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="50" PostId="28" Score="0" Text="oh, MathJax now works (even in comments)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T05:31:54.253" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="56" PostId="28" Score="3" Text="Geoff fixed this. Just a heads-up: we're rolling out new close-reason code *tomorrow*, so enjoy the new-old ones while you can..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T06:19:47.353" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="67" PostId="28" Score="0" Text="The [Meta.SE] post about the new closing system that Shog9 mentioned above: [closing changes](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/184154/closing-changes-on-hold-unclear-too-broad-opinion-based-off-topic-reasons)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T06:58:44.727" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="383" PostId="29" Score="0" Text="Thanks for fixing it!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T04:52:29.960" UserId="4042" />
  <row Id="44" PostId="30" Score="5" Text="hmmm ... I have all those links in my header." CreationDate="2013-06-25T05:12:20.350" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="51" PostId="30" Score="2" Text="Post a screenshot please?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T05:44:37.010" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="142" PostId="30" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: Just added one." CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:26:35.813" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="144" PostId="30" Score="0" Text="That's weird!! Have you tried hard refresh (or maybe even using a private browsing mode)?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:28:41.220" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="145" PostId="30" Score="2" Text="@HenryCohn do you have some sort of adblock or user extensions?  We definitely never render an empty header from the server, so this is happening client-side.  Is it possible you have a user script that expects the SE 1.0 HTML and isn't happy at the moment?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:28:50.900" UserId="35459" />
  <row Id="154" PostId="30" Score="0" Text="No luck with hard refresh or private browsing, and I'm not running any user scripts myself.  However, tracking protection sounded pretty compelling: maybe the reason my browser is fine with other SE 2.0 sites and with MO 1.0 but not MO 2.0 is because it's filtering out certain things from stackexchange.com when it visits mathoverflow.net.  However, it didn't help.  When I disabled it some ads came back on other sites, but a hard refresh left MO unchanged, so I'm still puzzled.  Oh well, it's not a big deal.  Thanks for your help!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:04:47.577" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="247" PostId="30" Score="1" Text="@Henry, I had a similar problem. I was using a plugin which loaded only images belonging to the site's domain and therefore was blocking images which were coming from stackexchange.com domain. I modified its settings and it works fine for me." CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:39:45.110" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5750" PostId="30" Score="0" Text="Presumably this is now [tag:STATUS-NO-LONGER-RELEVANT]?" CreationDate="2013-12-09T20:55:30.413" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="5752" PostId="30" Score="0" Text="@TRiG: Yes, thanks!" CreationDate="2013-12-09T21:42:06.803" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="47" PostId="31" Score="1" Text="But we have the Copy Editor badge, which I think I'll have a crack at :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T05:21:21.607" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="49" PostId="31" Score="0" Text="Also, note that meta has a separate badge system to the main site. But even your main profile page http://mathoverflow.net/users/1593/j-h-s?tab=badges&amp;sort=recent doesn't have it. Hmmm.." CreationDate="2013-06-25T05:30:15.403" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="15805" PostId="33" Score="1" Text="I will add that the exception for MO is explicitly mentioned in the FAQ on meta.SE: [Reputation requirements compared](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/58587)." CreationDate="2018-01-12T06:19:35.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15806" PostId="33" Score="5" Text="It seems that the exception has outlived its usefulness. Maybe we should ask to revert it." CreationDate="2018-01-12T14:34:42.117" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="15825" PostId="33" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek That sounds quite reasonable to me. Especially considering that the main site is protected from being abused by posting many similar questions by question bans after enough negatively received posts, but on meta [there is no question ban](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/222824/is-there-even-an-automatic-ban-on-meta/222825#222825)." CreationDate="2018-01-15T04:42:40.927" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17429" PostId="34" Score="5" Text="for the time being" CreationDate="2018-10-19T07:41:59.387" UserId="31873" />
  <row Id="68" PostId="35" Score="6" Text="I second this. Higher contrast was quite useful for me, it was much easier and faster to distinguish questions that belong to my favorite tags." CreationDate="2013-06-25T07:06:55.870" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="138" PostId="35" Score="4" Text="I second this. As a color blind it is *very* difficult to discern the current color of my favorite tags. The previous color scheme was great." CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:17:18.857" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="301" PostId="35" Score="6" Text="As a non-color blind, I can hardly distinguish the color. It is really too subtle now." CreationDate="2013-06-25T22:32:46.243" UserId="3897" />
  <row Id="1525" PostId="35" Score="3" Text="Has there been any confirmation that the devs have seen this request? It was mentioned in @AsafKaragila's color scheme thread (http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/115/on-the-current-color-scheme-and-why-it-sucks) as an answer but received no response as the thread was mainly concerned with link colours." CreationDate="2013-07-07T14:44:04.913" UserId="21271" />
  <row Id="64" PostId="39" Score="11" Text="This is like the bleeding Houses of Parliament. &quot;Would my colleague, the right honourable Member of Parliament for Nether Wallop, like to tell the House just how awesome we are, and how proud we are of our Glorious Leader&quot;..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T06:51:15.733" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="80" PostId="39" Score="13" Text="I thank the right honourable Member for Saskatoon for his excellent and insightful question.  Indeed, this government has a long standing policy for the promotion of awesomeness ..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T08:32:21.267" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="166" PostId="39" Score="0" Text="Um, why don't we really deserve it? And indeed, why is it so awesome? In other words, what makes you say that? I'm genuinely curious..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:58:55.423" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="185" PostId="39" Score="1" Text="Well, I don't know, I guess I don't feel like I deserve it, maybe you guys do.  But for the most part, considering that this is a free website, and that we're just a bunch of cross-eyed mathematicians, I'm not sure we deserve it. And w/r/t your second question, I'm still figuring that out. It certainly is pretty!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:58:26.563" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="186" PostId="39" Score="1" Text="Oh, but for one thing, I'm really excited about the ability to edit comments, and do this: @ToddTrimble (did that work?)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:59:25.507" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="194" PostId="39" Score="3" Text="Agreed, ability to edit comments is nice. If you're asking did the notification to me work, then &quot;yes&quot;. And I'll say I had a positive exchange with SE support wrt to getting my account properly up and running, so that's a good sign as well. Oh, @JonBeardsley." CreationDate="2013-06-25T15:30:25.780" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="196" PostId="39" Score="0" Text="Yeah, so happy about tagging people in comments, though other people may not be so happy about my ability to do this..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T15:41:36.617" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="397" PostId="39" Score="1" Text="For comparison: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/19/nothing-good-with-the-upgrade" CreationDate="2013-06-26T05:25:36.277" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="66" PostId="40" Score="0" Text="Thanks. Yes, now they have reappeared magically!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T06:57:39.297" UserId="22878" />
  <row Id="190" PostId="43" Score="11" Text="Thanks to all the SE mods who've been so helpful over the last 24 hours getting everything up and running again. It's been a great start to 2.0!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T15:06:27.720" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="171" PostId="44" Score="1" Text="How about you split this into a separate question and accepted answer?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:13:15.963" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="172" PostId="44" Score="0" Text="I'll accept in two days (can't accept sooner)." CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:15:35.933" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="73" PostId="45" Score="1" Text="Confirmed on this post (click [edit]). Debian Linux, IceWeasel 21." CreationDate="2013-06-25T07:47:18.090" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="103" PostId="45" Score="0" Text="@Sklivvz: So I'm not imagining this. Good." CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:45:12.010" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="125" PostId="45" Score="0" Text="Reproed on XP+Chrome" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:34:04.207" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="7430" PostId="45" Score="0" Text="@Sklivvz: Maybe [meta-tag:status-completed]?" CreationDate="2014-04-10T22:02:02.473" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="71" PostId="48" Score="1" Text="Good. Although I should have voted to delete on a couple posts first I suppose... ;-)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T07:36:44.007" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="84" PostId="55" Score="4" Text="Maybe the owner of the answers posted below should be set to [Community user](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/-1/community), so that you do not gave ping whenever someone uses the sandbox. Based on [this comment](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/4666/sandbox-for-drafts-of-long-complex-answers#comment22087_4666), my guess is that this has to be done by someone from the SE team." CreationDate="2013-06-25T09:38:21.033" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="87" PostId="55" Score="0" Text="Yes, that would be nice. I flagged the question for CW, but if your suggestion were implemented, that would be far better. Thanks for pointing out this possibility, I was unaware of it." CreationDate="2013-06-25T09:42:49.013" UserId="29555" />
  <row Id="82" PostId="58" Score="0" Text="I think that you may have to link it to the main account. I actually prefer it this way." CreationDate="2013-06-25T09:11:16.603" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="83" PostId="58" Score="3" Text="To me it seems synced as the other accounts appear on the MO profile page. But not the other way round." CreationDate="2013-06-25T09:37:07.547" UserId="15887" />
  <row Id="88" PostId="58" Score="3" Text="But not the MO account itself, which seems to have dropped off *all* profile pages at the same time. (I seem to remember it still being there on all pages a short while ago. Maybe a glitch?)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T09:42:58.717" UserId="30516" />
  <row Id="89" PostId="58" Score="1" Text="It seems that some users have mathoverflow listed among their accounts, see [here](http://stackexchange.com/users/510579/alex-b?tab=accounts)." CreationDate="2013-06-25T09:45:56.750" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="136" PostId="58" Score="1" Text="But even on Alex B's profile (the user Martin Sleziak links to) it's not perfect: Alex has certainly posted more on MO than 0 questions and 1 answer." CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:14:43.480" UserId="2481" />
  <row Id="86" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="(I suspect that higher rep users on MO who have SE accounts have not gotten the bonus either)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T09:39:55.447" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="94" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="we'll need to backfill these...we'll do so later this morning and several more times as we get people's accounts all hooked up." CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:20:02.093" UserId="35459" />
  <row Id="96" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="@NickCraver ah, I see. No problem :) (Btw, how was I able to post on meta without 5 rep?)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:25:22.860" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="100" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="Woot, mine just got applied." CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:37:59.643" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="108" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="The reputation threshold for Meta has (probably temporarily) [been reduced to 1](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/34/22055)." CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:04:10.897" UserId="22055" />
  <row Id="669" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="I've clicked to create a Google account-based MO account here now, just like I did on Physics SE and a few other SE, and it began with 101 reputation here." CreationDate="2013-06-27T04:01:44.027" UserId="35899" />
  <row Id="680" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="@LubošMotl Hey there :) Yes, that will work, because you _created_ an MO account. I already had one. The MO and SE accounts were merged, bus since no creating was done no association bonus was awarded." CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:17:18.273" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="107" PostId="62" Score="16" Text="With great vengeance and furious anger, as Jules Winnfield once said" CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:53:31.743" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="131" PostId="62" Score="9" Text="@Yemon: Well, they do attempt to poison and destroy my brothers!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:56:10.480" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="91" PostId="64" Score="0" Text="OK, thanks, I missed that." CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:00:06.097" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="105" PostId="67" Score="0" Text="Yep, I have it now :) Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:47:32.023" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="117" PostId="70" Score="3" Text="[old about page](http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LoV5WyY3bBAJ:mathoverflow.net/howtoask+&amp;cd=3&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=in)." CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:19:36.600" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="323" PostId="70" Score="2" Text="We do need some MO-specific advice there.." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:43:27.093" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="109" PostId="71" Score="0" Text="This should not be too hard, as it is also enabled on other more academic SE sites like Physics.SE" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:05:04.963" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="124" PostId="71" Score="0" Text="@Willie: That makes sense." CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:27:45.593" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="110" PostId="72" Score="1" Text="working on that already" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:07:34.097" UserId="35356" />
  <row Id="111" PostId="72" Score="1" Text="@balpha great, thanks :)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:08:00.927" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="152" PostId="72" Score="1" Text="Heads up, this is a fairly big thing so it may take a bit. See http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/58/why-are-mo-accounts-not-listed-among-other-se-accounts, which is what's behind this." CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:57:26.270" UserId="35356" />
  <row Id="153" PostId="72" Score="0" Text="@balpha yeah, I later was reading up on the meta and that looked like the root cause. A note: I already managed to associate the S.Carnahan chat account as he didn't have an original SE chat account." CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:02:44.103" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="114" PostId="73" Score="3" Text="Yes, this is a known issue. I think there were several requests for it to be somehow circumvented (e.g. detect MathJax code and add the color tags outside it) on meta.MSE." CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:13:54.057" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="119" PostId="73" Score="12" Text="For the time being: a work-around is to click on the &quot;improve&quot; button. If you find that the Math does appear correctly in the preview, you can hit &quot;cancel&quot; to get out of the improvement screen and then accept the proposed edit." CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:22:52.610" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="122" PostId="73" Score="0" Text="See also: http://meta.physics.stackexchange.com/questions/4393/parsing-of-revisions-involving-insertion-of-dollar-signs" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:26:13.217" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="123" PostId="73" Score="2" Text="Relevant meta.MSE question: [Reviewing Suggested Edits](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/2809/reviewing-suggested-edits)." CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:26:54.403" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="118" PostId="76" Score="3" Text="A note: If a migrated question is closed as anything but a duplicate, the migration is rejected; both posts get locked, and the post on MO will just say that it was closed as Off Topic" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:21:52.923" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="178" PostId="76" Score="0" Text="Here's an example:&#xA;&#xA;http://mathoverflow.net/questions/134238/enlarging-an-ellipses-along-normal-direction?noredirect=1&#xA;&#xA;http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/429110/enlarging-an-ellipses-along-normal-direction" CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:36:48.037" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3849" PostId="76" Score="0" Text="Perhaps it is also worth mentioning that the migrated question is deleted on the original site after 30 days. Meta.SO: [What is migration and how does it work?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10249/what-is-migration-and-how-does-it-work)" CreationDate="2013-09-19T13:28:34.190" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="120" PostId="77" Score="9" Text="Sans serif is great. And it's much like the previous version of MO. No need to change it all of a sudden." CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:23:57.173" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="143" PostId="77" Score="3" Text="I have posted two answers as a poll. Please only vote up the answer you agree with, or contribute another option if you think otherwise. My vote is for keeping the sans serif font." CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:27:53.753" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="151" PostId="77" Score="4" Text="I'm not in favour of any further changes to the MO look, but the OP is absolutely right that serif fonts are more readable." CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:52:33.957" UserId="1463" />
  <row Id="177" PostId="77" Score="8" Text="I'm certainly in favour of doing a site redesign, but _not yet_. We have lots of little problems to iron out, and we also want to get everyone used to the new software." CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:33:40.083" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2391" PostId="77" Score="0" Text="*Which* serif fonts? Baskerville? Palatino? TNR? etc etc" CreationDate="2013-07-28T21:45:42.763" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2396" PostId="77" Score="1" Text="I am afraid that a debate about which font/typeface is most readable is likely to not lead us very far. It seems to be very much about personal preferences and habits. Also, note that on the web most pages use sans serif so many people will be more comfortable with that. On the other hand, you can probably set your browser to use a different font in some relevant dialog menu; most common browsers should support that. That seems like a much easier alternative course of action, if not as convenient for some." CreationDate="2013-07-28T23:35:40.877" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2400" PostId="77" Score="10" Text="$\mathfrak{I \; prefer \; Fraktur}$! :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-29T00:15:34.717" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="2446" PostId="77" Score="1" Text="If someone really wants a serif font they could probably override it with the Stylish Firefox extension." CreationDate="2013-07-30T23:59:44.150" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="3797" PostId="77" Score="2" Text="The request has been declined by the community according to vote counts below." CreationDate="2013-09-17T12:18:48.453" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25499" PostId="77" Score="0" Text="Ill-designed fonts do not distinguish I and l." CreationDate="2021-04-06T07:11:30.983" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="121" PostId="78" Score="4" Text="It is true, MathOverflow was actually a secret society in the days of the Roman empire. When Nero was watching Rome burning it was actually a fire started by the MO guys, because someone had suggested that $\pi$ is irrational! :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:25:16.850" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="126" PostId="78" Score="1" Text="Coming to think about it, this could be a cool RTS game in the line of Age of Empires." CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:35:20.120" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="127" PostId="78" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila whereas the first thing that came to mind for me was Age of Aquarius..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:46:52.373" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="147" PostId="83" Score="3" Text="Especially so given a question like this popping up on the SE Meta: [What's the difference between MathOverflow &amp; Mathematics.SE?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/185784/whats-the-difference-between-mathoverflow-mathematics-se)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T12:41:52.540" UserId="35512" />
  <row Id="2172" PostId="83" Score="0" Text="About now says &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians. It's built and run by you as part of the Stack Exchange network of Q&amp;A sites. With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about research level mathematics.&quot; Isn't the last part a bit ambitious?" CreationDate="2013-07-22T13:54:13.543" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="181" PostId="87" Score="7" Text="Voting for this because the sans serif font helps make a clear visual distinction between MathOverflow and math.stackexchange, which I think is quite useful now that they’re on the same network." CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:39:19.720" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="953" PostId="89" Score="1" Text="Don't you think this question better be placed on the main meta site as it's about the network profile?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T22:55:42.157" UserId="36102" />
  <row Id="1181" PostId="89" Score="2" Text="@ShadowWizard Not really. It only affects MO, and we monitor child metas as well (clearly :)), so this is getting fixed either way and the question is on the meta site where it's most likely to help the community it affects." CreationDate="2013-06-30T23:42:18.830" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="156" PostId="93" Score="0" Text="According to a recent similar thread on meta.MSE, non-diamond user are no longer privy to spam/offensive flags." CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:27:31.047" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="157" PostId="93" Score="0" Text="@Asaf Aw, that sucks." CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:28:10.947" UserId="4059" />
  <row Id="158" PostId="93" Score="0" Text="I know!!${}{}{}$" CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:28:29.723" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="159" PostId="93" Score="0" Text="See [this](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/9850/what-should-the-offensive-and-spam-flag-be-used-for), and in particular the first comment by mixedmath on the main post." CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:31:49.673" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="160" PostId="93" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Well this question is about how to broadcast posts for others to review. I assume you're going to be able to apply the proper policies on a per-case basis :)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T13:34:30.400" UserId="4059" />
  <row Id="176" PostId="98" Score="1" Text="Can you clarify what isn't displaying correctly?  Keep in mind that search has changed a great deal with SE 1.0, it displays questions and answers in the result list now." CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:31:51.687" UserId="35459" />
  <row Id="179" PostId="98" Score="0" Text="I have included a screenshot and explanation." CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:36:52.500" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="180" PostId="98" Score="4" Text="Ah the cut off number blocks, gotcha. We'll get a fix out in just a bit." CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:37:53.167" UserId="35459" />
  <row Id="2298" PostId="98" Score="1" Text="@NickCraver, this bug seems still to be present, at least for me. Seems like an easy issue with css. Is there any plan to fix it?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T01:42:59.003" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4935" PostId="98" Score="0" Text="@NickCraver: Would you be able to provide an update on this?" CreationDate="2013-10-26T16:24:32.967" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="10097" PostId="98" Score="0" Text="@NickCraver it seems 6-8 weeks should be enough to fix this design issue, but the bug is still there until now ;)" CreationDate="2015-03-17T18:13:10.917" UserId="60571" />
  <row Id="191" PostId="99" Score="12" Text="This is absolutely planned; every site gets its own chat theme that fits the main site. We just didn't have time to do it before the move, so for now it's the default Stack Exchange skin, but you'll get your own within the next few days." CreationDate="2013-06-25T15:10:13.517" UserId="35356" />
  <row Id="183" PostId="101" Score="0" Text="Ah, sorry for the confusion. Moderators have a 'mod' link there, and I was expecting that 10k users would have it too." CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:56:34.007" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="184" PostId="101" Score="0" Text="@Scott: One of the perks of being a mod. The rest of us has to go through an elaborate measure of clicks." CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:57:02.333" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="187" PostId="101" Score="0" Text="Well, clicking that 'mod' link takes me somewhere 'moderator only' anyway (reviewing posts flagged for moderator attention), so I guess it makes sense." CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:59:26.470" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="188" PostId="101" Score="0" Text="Oh. Thanks, I should have found that myself, I’m sorry for the misguided question." CreationDate="2013-06-25T15:00:03.127" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="189" PostId="101" Score="0" Text="@Emil: It's fine. It's a good excuse for creating more tags on meta." CreationDate="2013-06-25T15:00:27.270" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="203" PostId="107" Score="0" Text="Apparently the underscore in the subscript `\mathfrak{m}_i` was interpreted as the beginning of an `_italics_` sentence. I was able to fix it by surrounding the subscript by braces, i.e., writing `\mathfrak{m}_{i}` instead." CreationDate="2013-06-25T16:19:23.870" UserId="29555" />
  <row Id="222" PostId="107" Score="0" Text="@Martin: Can you try your magic on this question, too: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/134142/ ? The problem seems similar." CreationDate="2013-06-25T17:51:53.560" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="228" PostId="107" Score="0" Text="@FrancoisZiegler: The magic is to make any sort of a trivial edit to the post (such as adjusting whitespace), then it takes care of itself." CreationDate="2013-06-25T18:16:58.230" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="229" PostId="107" Score="0" Text="@Emil: I see. Thanks for fixing it!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T18:19:36.910" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="198" PostId="108" Score="0" Text="Huzzah! (Although in fairness, it should be &quot;re-enabled&quot; :-))" CreationDate="2013-06-25T15:45:33.330" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="204" PostId="108" Score="1" Text="Could we make it more obvious? You need a magnifying glass to see it!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T16:22:26.480" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="210" PostId="115" Score="0" Text="Can anyone even confirm whether or not links appear in a different color? I want to know if it's my eyes, or the site..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T16:41:39.810" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="211" PostId="115" Score="1" Text="Unvisited links are blue. Visited links seem to be nearly the same color as plain text. The color scheme is different in meta and the regular site, with links in meta being red (which in my experience gives colorblind people more trouble than blue)." CreationDate="2013-06-25T16:47:09.670" UserId="2294" />
  <row Id="213" PostId="115" Score="0" Text="@Peter: It's a lot more than just the color. It's about the surrounding colors as well, and the contrast between them. But thanks a lot!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T16:48:41.213" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="214" PostId="115" Score="1" Text="Hmpf. Suddenly I notice that the unvisited links are blue and very different than the text. But the links which bothered me a lot are those that I am sure that I haven't visited for several months (if not more), so it doesn't make much sense. In either case, the color scheme is to blame, not me. Color blinded people are easily distracted!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T16:53:13.183" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="215" PostId="115" Score="2" Text="Your browser remembers the links, and it easily has a good enough memory to remember things for months. :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T16:57:49.340" UserId="2294" />
  <row Id="216" PostId="115" Score="0" Text="I'm color blind as well. The most serious issue with this is that I have trouble distinguishing the red and green used in traffic lights in Europe." CreationDate="2013-06-25T16:57:52.417" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="217" PostId="115" Score="0" Text="@Andres: Israel upgraded the traffic lights a couple years ago to a shade of green which is very bright and easily distinguishable from the red light. I was great, even though I don't drive." CreationDate="2013-06-25T17:01:10.270" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="226" PostId="115" Score="4" Text="Brief reading - http://www.lighthouse.org/accessibility/design/accessible-print-design/effective-color-contrast" CreationDate="2013-06-25T17:59:59.817" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="244" PostId="115" Score="0" Text="@François: That's awesome." CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:35:50.670" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="365" PostId="115" Score="0" Text="Dear Asaf, I had a similar experience with some links (i.e. barely noticing them).  I don't know if was simply the missing underline, or a body snatcher, or, ..., but like you I was a bit surprised to learn that apparently *nothing* (other then some missing underlines) had changed.  Cheers," CreationDate="2013-06-26T03:03:35.230" UserId="2874" />
  <row Id="1197" PostId="115" Score="0" Text="As a lazy, single, not-colorblind person, I often end up wearing black shirts and blue jeans, too." CreationDate="2013-07-01T10:45:09.840" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="1219" PostId="115" Score="2" Text="I have to echo Matt's comment below: the tagged-interested background color is too dim to be noticed, both on my laptop and on my desktop. Any chance of changing that to something more noticeable?" CreationDate="2013-07-01T18:50:03.737" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="264" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="Andy, isn't that a repeat offender plugging his vixra paper? I recognize the style" CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:14:25.083" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="265" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi : Sure is!  Let's vote it into oblivion." CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:15:42.207" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="271" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="The problem with LQ flags deletions is that they are only accessible from the review system which means that first we need to clear out the gigantic queue there for this to be an effective mean to fight cranks." CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:47:43.620" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="274" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila : Huh, that's weird.  My low-quality queue is empty; it had only a few items in it after the migration, and I dealt with them pretty quickly.  Is there something wrong?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:49:43.593" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="277" PostId="118" Score="1" Text="Oh right right, LQ queue is empty. I'm just distracted by the other numbers! :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:52:44.670" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="278" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="Actually, this is important -- did the post above end up in the LQ queue?  If not, then I'm not sure what went wrong." CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:53:55.517" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="284" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="It's hard to tell. I didn't see it there (I flagged it as spam (because it contained that shameless link to vixra) and it got deleted, though). If you have enough reputation then you should be able to see other people's action on the review queue's history. I don't have enough reputation here and I don't know how much is &quot;enough&quot;, probably 10k." CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:04:42.843" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="285" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="Hmm...I didn't see in in the review queue's history.  Maybe it just got deleted too quickly." CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:05:43.600" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="288" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="No, the history should contain all the actions anyone did. I know that on MSE I can see the full history. Perhaps &quot;enough&quot; is 20k, then. Can you get 2.5k reputation *really* quick? :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:12:15.667" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="289" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="Hmmm...My LQ review queue's history is very small (it only contains stuff about http://mathoverflow.net/questions/53669/anti-concentration-of-bernoulli-sums/80660#80660).  Does anyone else see other things in it?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:26:21.647" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="294" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="Do you see only your reviews, or do you see mine as well?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:43:51.420" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="295" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila : There are 6 people listed as voting to delete that answer, including you." CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:45:27.513" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="296" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="Okay then. I suppose this was the only thing that got to the LQ queue. Which means that it works slightly differently than I have expected (if you flagged the post in your answer as LQ, it certainly didn't get there). Perhaps it's time to make a feature request..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:50:27.270" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="364" PostId="118" Score="2" Text="The text for spam flag reads as follows: &quot;*This question is effectively an advertisement with no disclosure. It is not useful or relevant, but promotional.*&quot; It seems to me it applies to posts about crank preprints, doesn't it?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T03:01:59.897" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="423" PostId="118" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila iirc the VLQ queue is based on an algorithm." CreationDate="2013-06-26T09:04:41.340" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1796" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman: I suppose the link you gave was to a spammy answer, which has now been deleted?  For users &lt; 10K, the link now leads to the question itself, which makes it look like you are saying the *question* is spam." CreationDate="2013-07-13T15:02:13.813" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="1807" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="@NateEldredge : Good point, I deleted the link." CreationDate="2013-07-13T16:50:05.473" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="18787" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="-1. The problem is when users on this site vote to delete high quality posts because they do not appreciate the science behind them." CreationDate="2019-04-07T13:32:56.480" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="233" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="starting already, question linked from physics.se" CreationDate="2013-06-25T18:34:37.730" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="305" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="I deleted it now   :)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:11:28.530" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="310" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, thanks." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:22:00.350" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="420" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="Just one small thing to keep in mind: chat is really a shared place over the network. In particular, the flagging system is shared through out the network, i.e. if you flag something in any chat room all moderators on the network will see it and will try to deal with the flag." CreationDate="2013-06-26T08:32:46.377" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="3977" PostId="123" Score="2" Text="Checking on the possibility of this now, will get back with a proper answer (or implementation) soon." CreationDate="2013-09-24T15:44:58.907" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6599" PostId="123" Score="1" Text="@TimPost, ping! The cite link is really important to us. MathOverflow is being widely cited in the published literature, and we need to make it as easy as possible to do this properly." CreationDate="2014-01-29T01:30:02.043" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6611" PostId="123" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison Sorry, slipped through the cracks. I'm pinging Jin about this right now." CreationDate="2014-01-29T11:21:25.403" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="241" PostId="125" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much! Is there any change to fix the bounty dialog issue as well? (see [this](http://i.imgur.com/XHoIPRD.jpg).)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:32:24.263" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="237" PostId="126" Score="3" Text="copied the page here for easier access." CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:14:01.620" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4022" PostId="126" Score="1" Text="I've going to move this to a FAQ question." CreationDate="2013-09-25T10:20:33.000" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="9778" PostId="126" Score="0" Text="[**Do your homework**]&#xA;*and try to figure the problem out yourself (maybe even sleep on it).*&#xA;&#xA;Suppose I came up with a very interesting question.&#xA;I tried to solve it myself and slept on it before I ask about it here.&#xA;After a few weeks, I could solve it at last.&#xA;Is this what this site wants?" CreationDate="2015-02-09T00:18:17.950" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="243" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="That would be helpful! But I still feel that *something* has changed. Is it the background color? I don't know. But something is not as it was before." CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:35:26.717" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="273" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I copied the styling from previous site's css. So they should be all there now that I've added the underline. You can reference the old site's style via this [archived link](http://web.archive.org/web/20130531083712/http://mathoverflow.net/questions/8846/proofs-without-words) for comparison." CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:49:35.743" UserId="25691" />
  <row Id="282" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="Hmpf. You are right. It bothers me now, even more than before, why things look different. I feel like there is some reenactment of some Invasion of the Body Snatchers scene here... all that's missing is that I find a pod in your user profile soon! :-P" CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:59:40.730" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="304" PostId="128" Score="1" Text="I am sure there is more grey in the colour scheme now as well. Some of the text is lighter. Could that be what you are noticing?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:04:11.313" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="350" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="Are there any plans for a new style for MO? It's currently looking a bit clunky. (Also, the chat theme is a hybrid between Grainy and the MO logo)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T01:10:48.123" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="361" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="@Jason, I agree. For example, the comment scores (for $&lt; 5$ upvotes) appear &quot;dimmer&quot; (lower contrast relative to the background) than they did previously." CreationDate="2013-06-26T02:50:18.987" UserId="17114" />
  <row Id="373" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, maybe it looks different because of the font size/type." CreationDate="2013-06-26T04:18:27.740" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="400" PostId="128" Score="1" Text="@Manishearth: I disagree. I feel that if there is anything which needs revising in the graphical styling of MO, then it's a minor thing (like underlines), not a whole new style." CreationDate="2013-06-26T06:11:37.010" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="401" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: That is a possibility. After all, not all sans serif fonts are the same font..." CreationDate="2013-06-26T06:13:04.750" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="415" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila What about making the &quot;accepted answer&quot; style subtler? Currently the green background is in stark contrast with the rest of the network. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it looks strange to me." CreationDate="2013-06-26T08:09:43.330" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="416" PostId="128" Score="1" Text="@Manishearth: Tough luck. MathOverflow is not part of the network. And if it is, then it is certainly the weird kid which nobody wants to sit next to in class. I don't see why MO should conform to the SE design rather than stay with its previous look." CreationDate="2013-06-26T08:17:08.680" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="417" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Sure, wasn't saying you should change it. Just that it always looked a bit weird to me :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T08:18:37.750" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="418" PostId="128" Score="1" Text="(technically MO _is_ part of the network now, though it probably is a &quot;special&quot; site like AskPatents and AU; with different treatment and some underlying agreement)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T08:19:31.033" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="280" PostId="129" Score="3" Text="I posted a recent dump at [dumps.mathoverflow.net](http://dumps.mathoverflow.net). I did grab another full database dump a few hours before migration, but it hasn't been cleaned up yet." CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:56:07.000" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="581" PostId="129" Score="0" Text="Very nice; thank you!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:08:39.523" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="245" PostId="131" Score="1" Text="I have fixed your post by adding whitespace at the bottom of the post and saving.  I'll look at why this happened." CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:37:24.777" UserId="35286" />
  <row Id="246" PostId="131" Score="2" Text="To follow up - backticks are no longer required for mathjax formulas." CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:38:37.813" UserId="35286" />
  <row Id="261" PostId="131" Score="0" Text="Oh! Was the markup being cached?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:03:29.307" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="346" PostId="131" Score="0" Text="@GeoffDalgas OK, it seems that a lot of \{ \} in between $ signs have been replaced with { } and are therefore invisible when compiled. For example, [here](http://mathoverflow.net/q/116633/6085) (the display formula for $\Delta_2$), and [here](http://mathoverflow.net/q/107851/6085) (the definition of $\mathbb T$)." CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:50:44.353" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="360" PostId="131" Score="0" Text="@Geoff: Any update on the white space situation, and why the posts look fine in the previews, but then render incorrectly?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T02:37:24.547" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="363" PostId="131" Score="0" Text="I'm failing to see what you mean - here is what I see:  http://i.stack.imgur.com/wy5Lb.png" CreationDate="2013-06-26T02:55:40.033" UserId="35286" />
  <row Id="408" PostId="131" Score="0" Text="@GeoffDalgas Compare line 3 in the actual post (left) with line 3 in the preview (right). After the $\mathbb T=$ on the left there is a $z$, while on the preview on the right there is a $\{z$. Same with the $\}$: It appears on the preview and not on the actual post. (Strange, though: I was sure when I looked at the source earlier, there was only { rather than \{, etc, and I reported accordingly. It appears I was mistaken. Sorry about the confusion.)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T07:11:02.773" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="256" PostId="133" Score="0" Text="+1 and ✓ for the network-wide dump which answers my question from the theoretical perspective. I have to admit I'd value site-specific dumps more, though." CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:57:51.680" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="2634" PostId="133" Score="0" Text="Could you give an updated estimate of how long it will be until MO is added to the Stack Exchange Data Explorer?" CreationDate="2013-08-10T09:56:08.780" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2829" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="@MichaelAlbanese I'm sorry, I don't have a better estimate at the moment. I'm following up with the devs to see what's what." CreationDate="2013-08-16T17:15:08.407" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="2832" PostId="133" Score="0" Text="OK. When you have some idea, it would be great if you could post an answer to [this question](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/634/21564)." CreationDate="2013-08-16T23:57:58.013" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2833" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="@MichaelAlbanese Will do." CreationDate="2013-08-16T23:58:11.560" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="2851" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="@MichaelAlbanese there was a glitch with the new site imports (which is supposed to be automated, once a site graduates) after the move to NY while we rebuild Oregon.  I have just fixed the glitch and the first import of MO has completed.  It will update once a week every Sunday now." CreationDate="2013-08-18T18:11:48.823" UserId="35459" />
  <row Id="6036" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="What happened to clearbits.net? The site doesn't seem to load." CreationDate="2013-12-27T19:11:10.333" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="6037" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="@darijgrinberg No idea, unfortunately. We don't run it. We'll try to reach them and see what's up." CreationDate="2013-12-27T19:29:00.373" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="6364" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="By now it seems that clearbits is dead. Care to look for a replacement? By now I suspect that even piratebay is less likely to go down..." CreationDate="2014-01-10T09:37:32.437" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="6369" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="@darijgrinberg We had no warning whatsoever and Clearbits shutting down took us entirely by surprise. We are actively looking for a replacement and are in talks to move our data dumps elsewhere, but it's probably gonna take some time still to sort this out." CreationDate="2014-01-10T16:35:07.943" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="28719" PostId="133" Score="2" Text="@Adam since you're still on staff, I guess I should ping you to ask if we are going to get a data dump now, regardless of the rest of the network. People are unhappy particularly because MO is slightly special in this regard." CreationDate="2023-06-12T02:54:43.767" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28742" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts I don't know but let me see if I can find out." CreationDate="2023-06-13T13:07:15.947" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="28743" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts Please reach out to [Philippe](https://mathoverflow.net/users/176540/philippe). His email is in his profile bio." CreationDate="2023-06-13T13:15:14.443" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="242" PostId="134" Score="6" Text="Migrated questions should stay around long enough for the asker to see that they were migrated and be able to follow the link. Or they might get even more confused than they were when they posted an off-topic question here." CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:34:13.543" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="372" PostId="134" Score="1" Text="@MadScientist, IIRC, when a question is migrated its OP gets a notification." CreationDate="2013-06-26T04:11:46.197" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="253" PostId="135" Score="8" Text="You can use these user scripts:&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;http://stackapps.com/questions/2342/hexadecimal-user-rep" CreationDate="2013-06-25T19:53:40.207" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2299" PostId="135" Score="1" Text="About your other question: you can find some pointers and basic information about quality filter [here](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/quality-filter/info) and [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/92074/what-can-i-do-when-getting-it-does-not-meet-our-quality-standards)." CreationDate="2013-07-26T05:14:35.003" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2300" PostId="135" Score="1" Text="Something similar was asked in this post (and some of the linked posts) at meta.SO: [Hide the rep and badge count on a user's info box on answers](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/21458/hide-the-rep-and-badge-count-on-a-users-info-box-on-answers)." CreationDate="2013-07-26T05:18:09.380" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3766" PostId="139" Score="0" Text="I have that feeling too but I never found evidence in the site analytics. If there really is, it will need specialized data to figure out." CreationDate="2013-09-16T14:24:20.363" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6024" PostId="139" Score="0" Text="I recently answered a question, which was later voted as off topic by several users. However, what was weird was that many users downvoted my answer (which was in fact a correct answer), providing the reason that one shouldn't reply to off topic questions. Being a new user, I don't have much idea how to distinguish an off topic question. I felt that it was a rude gesture from the part of the community to downvote an answer just because the question was off topic. Merely closing the question should have sufficed.&#xA;&#xA;Is the community pretty aggressive as a whole? I am curious as I am a new user." CreationDate="2013-12-26T21:49:48.570" UserId="43888" />
  <row Id="6046" PostId="139" Score="1" Text="@voldemort, it's unfortunate that those downvoting your answer didn't take the time to explain why they disapproved. It's fair to say that MathOverflow guards its standards carefully, perhaps even 'aggressively'. Reading the site for a while before posting will give you a good idea about the appropriate level of questions." CreationDate="2013-12-28T22:24:31.167" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="266" PostId="140" Score="0" Text="You should do it with fake unicode spaces like the BOM to get around that noise." CreationDate="2013-06-25T20:17:53.967" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="707" PostId="140" Score="2" Text="I second the request for this feature!" CreationDate="2013-06-27T08:29:37.010" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="28373" PostId="140" Score="0" Text="Technically, this was implemented at some point, in a sense; you can sort by &quot;Highest score&quot;, &quot;Date modified (newest first)&quot;, or &quot;Date created (oldest first)&quot;. That second option would do part of what you want, with the caveat that it also takes edits into account as well." CreationDate="2023-03-03T02:41:31.333" UserId="350173" />
  <row Id="856" PostId="141" Score="2" Text="Re your edit: all the more reason to get the paths set up quickly." CreationDate="2013-06-28T10:08:01.553" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="3439" PostId="141" Score="2" Text="Isn't there a severe limit to the allowed number of pre-programmed migration targets?  Or have I mis-remembered something..." CreationDate="2013-09-03T12:07:28.490" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="283" PostId="142" Score="0" Text="Well, I didn't write MSE because it's already open. But Academia is a very good mention!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:00:28.497" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="290" PostId="142" Score="3" Text="Plus, computer science, theoretical computer science, physics, philosophy,..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:27:17.170" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="293" PostId="142" Score="5" Text="scicomp.stackexchange.com, mathematica.stackexchange.com/, tex.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:34:37.060" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="308" PostId="142" Score="2" Text="@NeilStrickland post that as an answer :)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:21:33.410" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="828" PostId="142" Score="0" Text="[David Roberts](http://mathoverflow.net/users/4177/david-roberts) [suggested](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/249/6085) [statistics](http://stats.stackexchange.com/). (Which I just noticed was already mentioned by Asaf.)" CreationDate="2013-06-28T02:41:32.580" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="9105" PostId="142" Score="0" Text="But remember the limit of 4 sites." CreationDate="2014-11-20T14:43:20.140" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="298" PostId="147" Score="5" Text="I should point out, in case some of the new users on the SE systems are unaware, that it is perfectly fine to post network-wide software requests on meta sites of particular sites (rather than just meta.SO). The developers are well aware to this, and usually respond within reasonable time." CreationDate="2013-06-25T22:00:55.730" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="299" PostId="147" Score="0" Text="Thanks Asaf!!!!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T22:05:54.073" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="300" PostId="147" Score="0" Text="@Andy: Anything to procrastinate work! :-P" CreationDate="2013-06-25T22:06:58.627" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="457" PostId="147" Score="0" Text="Usually it's better to post on MSO, though :) This is a great idea." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:27:45.713" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="458" PostId="147" Score="1" Text="@Manishearth: I don't like to accumulate accounts over the SE networks. I refuse to open any further than MSE (and MO which was &quot;forced into linkage&quot; due to the migration). Since developers do follow site metas it's fine. Feel free to copy-paste this to MSO." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:29:01.253" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="459" PostId="147" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila no probs. :) re:copypaste: Nah, IIRC cross posting is discouraged." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:34:29.153" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="460" PostId="147" Score="0" Text="For that matter, I feel that NAA flags should also be piped to the LQ queues :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:39:14.143" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="461" PostId="147" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: Sounds reasonable." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:44:00.453" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="303" PostId="149" Score="3" Text="I think that Mariano meant that the moderators will have a free license to delete such questions, so no votes are wasted." CreationDate="2013-06-25T22:48:15.063" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="353" PostId="151" Score="0" Text="Math should totally go under Life/Arts." CreationDate="2013-06-26T01:18:48.457" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="306" PostId="152" Score="1" Text="Does this help - http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2013/06/the-war-of-the-closes/?cb=1" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:17:24.660" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="307" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais : Not sure how this answers the question.  It's not marked &quot;on hold&quot; either." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:18:58.313" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="312" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="Might be a glitch but I didn't see it on MSO - http://meta.stackoverflow.com/" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:31:17.123" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="313" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="Closed now, probably was a glitch..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:33:51.747" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="315" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="Ah, ok.  Probably just something acting weird since they are changing the close mechanism." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:35:09.900" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="316" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@Francois, Andy: I don't think it's a glitch. There are **six** closing votes on that question. But note that the new closing system has been deployed at this time, so it might be that." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:35:21.943" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="317" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="Might also be that Harry's vote didn't count somehow..." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:39:00.860" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="318" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila : So we need *six* votes to close now instead of five?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:39:01.260" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="319" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="I have no idea. It might be some mixture on the close votes too." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:39:27.600" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="320" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="I didn't see that announced anywhere." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:39:35.690" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="322" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="The post http://mathoverflow.net/questions/134737/computing-simplicial-groups-of-kan-sets was closed with 5 votes." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:42:05.227" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="324" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="I have a feeling close votes don't count while users are suspended. Anybody want to get suspended?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:47:11.940" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="325" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="I seem to recall it showing four votes to close at one point, and then a bit later it showed only one vote to close. So something was peculiar with that." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:51:28.457" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="326" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais : Sounds like a fun experiment.  I'd be game for it -- maybe a suspension would give me a chance to get some real work done :).  I guess the order of events has to be as follows : 1. Someone posts a fake question, 2. I vote to close it, 3. I'm suspended, and 4. Other people vote to close it." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:52:22.947" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="327" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman, OK I can unsuspend you right after to make sure you don't get work done :)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:56:04.930" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="328" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais : OK, I'll log off and post a question under a fake account.  I'll then vote to close and flag the post for you to suspend me.  You then edit the question to let people know that they should then vote to close.  Sound good to you?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:57:39.250" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="330" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman, OK. Go ahead!" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:59:12.070" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="332" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="You guys... don't you think it's better to test this on the Dev version of MO? (It also has the new closure system)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:02:04.813" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="333" PostId="152" Score="3" Text="It's OK... it's for *science*, Asaf!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:06:01.693" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="334" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais : Here's the fake question : http://mathoverflow.net/questions/134759/question-to-test-whether-suspended-users-votes-to-close-count" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:08:32.050" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="337" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="Experimental failure... I did observe a very brief delay with five votes before actual closure. This confirms the glitch hypothesis where the delay was, for some reason, much longer and a sixth vote got in in the mean time." CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:23:19.987" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="339" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="(Fake question deleted.)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:26:37.547" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="341" PostId="152" Score="2" Text="Hahaha! Fun times on meta!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:29:50.670" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="351" PostId="152" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais A note: In general, don't try to test suspensions that way. A few mods were (lightly -- nothing serious) admonished a yearish ago for doing a similar experiment. Try to avoid experimenting with any action that sends an email out. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T01:15:52.180" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="352" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="Also, yes, there was a similar situation when posts on which newly elected mods had voted to close/delete in the past would get closed/deleted with _less_ votes (because moderator votes are binding). I guess the system checks if the post has reached the threshold every time someone close/delete votes." CreationDate="2013-06-26T01:17:46.217" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="354" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="Agreed, @Manishearth." CreationDate="2013-06-26T01:22:11.807" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="355" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Anyway, once the chat accounts bug is fixed you shall have access to the secret moderator chatroom (I could manually grant it, but I'm too sleepy right now :P), where you can ask for advice on moderating the site and help using the tools (I'm pretty sure most of the current mod tools weren't there in the past). Hope to see you there!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T01:25:17.863" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="356" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, I tried it a couple of times before I realized there was a bug. It would have been handy a few times but we figured most of the new features by now." CreationDate="2013-06-26T01:27:56.097" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="357" PostId="152" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais huh, looks like you already requested access. Granted." CreationDate="2013-06-26T01:34:26.137" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="314" PostId="153" Score="0" Text="Mainly I had not read your explanation on meta, but it was also surprise at the loss being relatively small. (If I had gone from 8500 to 5000 I would have guessed quickly why)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:34:01.453" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="321" PostId="153" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi Thank you for the reply. My speculation for a potential source of gain, might explain this." CreationDate="2013-06-25T23:40:19.743" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1522" PostId="153" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai: Thank you for the additions. Let me just add that also the old version of MO had a mechanism fo repeated voting detection and discrded them. It seems however true that the new version has a different/improved/stricter(?) one, so that this is a source of change (while the mechanism itself is not new)." CreationDate="2013-07-07T13:56:41.710" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="340" PostId="154" Score="3" Text="This is already under way, we're finishing off the implementation now - it will be integrated into the help center." CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:28:22.840" UserId="35459" />
  <row Id="398" PostId="154" Score="0" Text="Note that hovering over the individual privileges gives you the actual reputation required, as well as a restatement of your percentage." CreationDate="2013-06-26T05:26:19.447" UserId="8181" />
  <row Id="335" PostId="155" Score="5" Text="good. ${}{}{}{}$" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:14:43.573" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="336" PostId="155" Score="6" Text="@WillJagy No abusing mathjax to make short comments :P" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:19:57.963" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="362" PostId="155" Score="3" Text="@Man: Ok. ${ }$" CreationDate="2013-06-26T02:52:40.013" UserId="17114" />
  <row Id="5268" PostId="155" Score="2" Text="$\,\,\,\,\,\,\,$What." CreationDate="2013-11-08T05:12:33.953" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="5291" PostId="155" Score="0" Text="Got it. $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $  $ $ $ $ $ $" CreationDate="2013-11-10T09:23:42.450" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="5297" PostId="155" Score="1" Text="@dimension10 see also http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/462/on-using-mathjax-to-create-white-space for discussion an info related to short comments" CreationDate="2013-11-10T13:30:37.083" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="344" PostId="157" Score="1" Text="It can take an hour or so before suspension is lifted from meta. (It's useful for keen eyed observers, so they know there's a problem with moderators fighting over some suspension...)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:40:57.370" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="345" PostId="157" Score="1" Text="This has been a very educational evening." CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:42:23.810" UserDisplayName="user35703" />
  <row Id="347" PostId="157" Score="1" Text="Wow, the fun just doesn't stop!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:50:55.237" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="348" PostId="157" Score="0" Text="Well, with all the experience I have from testing the quirks and features of the SE system... I'm just glad there's something to do with this knowledge. :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T00:52:42.117" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="860" PostId="158" Score="0" Text="Hi Matt, thanks for the very useful tip. I agree that now the tagged-interesting color is completely useless, I do not distinguish tagged questions even on my desktop...by the way, do you know of a CSS editor for Safari which can _remember_ the editing (so far, I have only found live editor, meaning I should launch them each time I visit MO). Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-06-28T10:35:29.193" UserId="18238" />
  <row Id="402" PostId="163" Score="7" Text="Anna, I feel like we had this discussion before (and we did, on the meta.MSE site). If the migration paths are not open, there is a good chance people will prefer to just close it as off topic rather than flag it for migration. By that rationale, then, no migration path will be open because hardly any migration will occur. I think that opening migration paths for a month, or six weeks, and then closing those which are unused -- that's the better option. In that case, even if they are closed, users are still informed of those options and learn to flag for the migration." CreationDate="2013-06-26T06:17:20.563" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="428" PostId="163" Score="6" Text="Anna, I think you should search the database of mathoverflow comments for the string &quot;tex.stackexchange.com&quot;.  I think you'll find that there are a reasonable number of cases where people have suggested that things should be moved there.  Given that, I don't think we need to wait longer before setting up a proper migration path.  I think that the same is true for stats.stackexchange.com." CreationDate="2013-06-26T09:42:05.770" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="834" PostId="163" Score="5" Text="I found 66 comments containing the string &quot;tex.stackexchange.com&quot;, 50 of them on closed questions. Just FYI, @Neil." CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:02:37.913" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="857" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 Thank you for the number. Does this search include deleted questions? (In more recent times most such things got deleted, while before hardly anything got deleted.) The problem might be bigger than this. But in any case there is a fair number of off-topic question that might fit on TeX. They might not contribute much to the tex site but OP will still get much better information, even if perhaps only via the link for the duplicate vote." CreationDate="2013-06-28T10:10:20.090" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="888" PostId="163" Score="2" Text="All comments on all posts, deleted and visible @quid" CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:00:53.093" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="992" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="&quot;migrations are considered to be rejected by the destination site when migrated questions are **closed as anything other than &quot;duplicate&quot;** or deleted.&quot; That doesn't appear to be true. If you look at the rejection stats for security-&gt;crypto they can only be explained if duplicates are considered &quot;rejected&quot;. (6/14=42% vs. 2/14=14%)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T10:29:48.173" UserId="36135" />
  <row Id="1028" PostId="163" Score="1" Text="@CodesInChaos There is some weirdness in how we calculate the rejection stats. You're seeing a 40% rejection rate on Crypto, but Security is showing 15%. However, that bug aside, closing as a duplicate doesn't reject a migration. When a migration is rejected, the question is locked on the destination site and unlocked/closed as off-topic on the source site. The redirect link between the two is also severed. This doesn't happen with questions closed as dupes on the destination site." CreationDate="2013-06-29T15:53:52.607" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="1632" PostId="163" Score="1" Text="Hi @AdamLear, could we turn on the migration path to http://stats.stackexchange.com/ now? We've already moved a few across which were very clearly identifiable as stats questions, and I'd be happy if this could be done by our users rather than requiring a mod." CreationDate="2013-07-09T16:36:00.573" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1633" PostId="163" Score="3" Text="@ScottMorrison Done." CreationDate="2013-07-09T16:42:09.090" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="568" PostId="165" Score="0" Text="I fixed 2 and 1 is pending peer review. I put {} around the subscripts." CreationDate="2013-06-26T19:21:12.380" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="667" PostId="165" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much. I think the answer to the second question needs an edit as well." CreationDate="2013-06-27T03:20:31.500" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="670" PostId="165" Score="0" Text="Fixed the array syntax in the answer. Changed `\\\` to `\cr`." CreationDate="2013-06-27T04:11:52.347" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="395" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="Maybe this is an example of the sort of conversation we should have at [tea](http://tea.mathoverflow.net), rather than here. It's not like someone can &quot;answer&quot; this &quot;question&quot;." CreationDate="2013-06-26T05:10:37.857" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="396" PostId="166" Score="3" Text="For reference: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/134757/graphs-of-rational-functions-of-sine-and-cosine" CreationDate="2013-06-26T05:11:35.320" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="403" PostId="166" Score="1" Text="They look very like a whale, to me." CreationDate="2013-06-26T06:19:25.430" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="404" PostId="166" Score="16" Text="Let's see, what you are saying is: algebraic geometry is about zero-sets of polynomials, and is non-trivial, hence no question about zero-sets of polynomials is off-topic. Am I misinterpreting? This does not strike me as a particularly sensible argument." CreationDate="2013-06-26T06:32:04.797" UserId="4790" />
  <row Id="465" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="No, I'm saying that the fact that a question is about zero-sets of polynomials is not a reason to consider it off-topic." CreationDate="2013-06-26T12:24:58.650" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="468" PostId="166" Score="7" Text="Aside from being grumpy, I think this question is perfect for this meta. Threads of the form &quot;should this question be closed?&quot; are core to what meta should be. For us, they used to be very long discussions, but the arguments are now well-worn enough that the Q&amp;A format will work well most of the time. The better searchability and not having to register a separate account are huge advantages of this meta over tea, so we should prefer to put stuff here whenever it makes sense." CreationDate="2013-06-26T12:58:55.473" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="469" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison Actually, discussion is fine on an SE 2.0 meta; it need not be an &quot;answerable question&quot;. Don't let the Q&amp;A structure fool you." CreationDate="2013-06-26T12:59:45.057" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="470" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="@AntonGeraschenko Is tea still going to be used or is it just there as a record?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T13:00:17.887" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="472" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="@AntonGeraschenko Damn, I was halfway through when I had to reply to a bunch of chat pings. And I didn't click the &quot;show 1 new comment&quot; first :P" CreationDate="2013-06-26T13:01:00.797" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="473" PostId="166" Score="1" Text="@Manishearth: I don't know the fate of tea, but I expect that there will be very little reason to use it. With this meta and chat, it's hard to think of a case when tea is the best solution. Then again, I also haven't been active on tea lately, so I'm not sure if true discussions (requiring many &gt;600 character back and forths) are happening there." CreationDate="2013-06-26T13:05:47.787" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="541" PostId="166" Score="4" Text="(Why the rudeness? Please remove the quotation marks.)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:51:46.810" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="583" PostId="166" Score="4" Text="Apologies - I happened to be sleeping and other real-world things." CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:34:23.440" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="590" PostId="166" Score="6" Text="@MichaelHardy : I saw no reason to participate in this discussion.  I think that the union of Anton's post and Angelo's comment says all that I would want to say.  If there were some actual support for reopening the question, then there would be a reason for me to join the discussion, but as it is you have been told clearly why the question is not appropriate.  If you choose not to listen, then that is not my problem and I see no reason to get dragged into a morass of negativity." CreationDate="2013-06-26T21:26:24.500" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="595" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman : I'm surprised you cite Angelo's comment.  Don't you see the simple error in logic?  He says I'm saying all questions involving zero sets of polynomials are appropriate, whereas I'm actually saying one should not consider a question inappropriate because it's about zero sets of polynomials.  I have listened very well.  I am aware of what people are saying.  May I ask you a personal question: Can _you_ solve the problem that you've said is at &quot;high-school level&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:04:34.750" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="604" PostId="166" Score="8" Text="@MichaelHardy : I don't want to get dragged into this, but I do want to correct your mischaracterization of my comment on your original post.  I said that the *topic* of the question (namely, the visual appearance of graphs of functions) was high-school level.  And I stand by this.  But I cannot answer your question myself because it **isn't actually a well-posed mathematical question**.  If anything, this is even more pertinent to its closing than the level.  See Anton's answer for what I mean by that." CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:14:56.667" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="612" PostId="166" Score="3" Text="@AndyPutman : How many of the questions in my last section are well-posed mathematical questions?  MO has never been limited to well-posed mathematical questions.  And that is as it should be.  Is Richard Stanley's question about theorems with unexpected conclusions a well-posed mathematical question?  Or his question about the most intricate and beuatiful structures?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:24:34.227" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="614" PostId="166" Score="4" Text="That &quot;intricate and beautiful&quot; question, or rather, all the answers which ignored the wording and preferred to talk about OMG COOL, *really* got my goat" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:35:40.967" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="671" PostId="166" Score="4" Text="You seem to enjoy pointing out logical errors made by others, but it seems that you have made one of your own.  While algebraic geometry is often about the structure of zero sets of polynomials, this does not imply that algebraic geometry is only about the appearance of graphs of zero sets.  Your conclusion that algebraic geometry is high-school-level is therefore not supported by your sequence of logical leaps.  More importantly, I would prefer if you could find a way to make your point without insulting all algebraic geometers." CreationDate="2013-06-27T04:17:29.437" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="672" PostId="166" Score="3" Text="@S.Carnahan : No, I wouldn't say I enjoy pointing out logical errors.  But I didn't say algebraic geometry is high-school level stuff; I said it would be absurd to conclude that that is what it is." CreationDate="2013-06-27T04:23:20.893" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="673" PostId="166" Score="12" Text="In general, you seem to be addressing the closure of your question with an overly confrontational writing style.  For example, if you removed all instances of &quot;plainly&quot;, &quot;obvious&quot;, and &quot;obviously&quot; from your question, it would communicate the same point, but with a &quot;lower temperature&quot;.  Similarly, the people who closed your question have no obligation to participate in this discussion." CreationDate="2013-06-27T04:26:12.063" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="676" PostId="166" Score="3" Text="@S.Carnahan : I might confess to being a bit of a hothead, and maybe impatient or confrontational.  But I give arguments rather than being hostile.  I just got an email from Andy Putman that might be considered to border on hostility, and was certainly somewhat disrespectful at one point.  The kind of intelligence that is used in solving math problems gets expressed by the time you're seven years old, or maybe four years old, but there's another kind that shows up after the age of about 35.  That kind understands why it's absurd to think...." CreationDate="2013-06-27T04:34:39.600" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="677" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="...(as I actually saw asserted here on &quot;meta&quot;!) that down-votes are mathoverflow's principal means of maintaining quality.  I think that's why we see so many people being so intelligent in &quot;main&quot; and posting such absurdities and even expressions of hostility here on &quot;meta&quot;: i.e. lot's of people under 35 or so." CreationDate="2013-06-27T04:36:17.763" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="678" PostId="166" Score="11" Text="Just to make sure that the record is straight here, said email was in response to your unsolicited emails to me.  Its main purpose was to make clear that I do not welcome further emails and do not wish to argue with you." CreationDate="2013-06-27T04:54:35.507" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="697" PostId="166" Score="7" Text="Under 35? Where does this come from, given that neither Angelo Vistoli nor Gerry Myerson fit that bracket? This does not seem a productive line of argument, unless you feel ad hominem and mindreading is productive" CreationDate="2013-06-27T06:52:46.663" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="700" PostId="166" Score="7" Text="Moreover, I *do* think that down-votes and closure *are* one of the main ways to maintain quality on MathOverflow. Many is the idle question or philosophical musing that I have *not* put on MO." CreationDate="2013-06-27T06:53:50.543" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="771" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi : The ages of Gerry Myerson and Angelo Vistoli don't have anything to do with it." CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:21:08.203" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="773" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="Again, to make sure the record is straight: Andy Putman argued that (1) if something is a high-school level problem, then it can't also be a research problem (which I take to mean its solution would involve novelties possibly worthy of publication) and (2) questions that are not well posed mathematical questions are not appropriate for mathoverflow.  I argued in an email that both of those are demonstrably wrong, the second one more obviously so.  His response was that his assertions to the contrary addressed to me were &quot;pearls before swine&quot;." CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:25:34.450" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="774" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="...here's another example of (2), a rather nice one: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/5892/what-is-convolution-intuitively" CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:28:36.150" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="775" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="Anyway, I don't understand why there's so much hostility, or any hostility at all, on meta." CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:29:05.997" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="776" PostId="166" Score="11" Text="&quot;I've just notified them by email. [...]  Some users' email addresses cannot readily be found.&quot; Thank you for making one of the reasons why using a pseodonym can be a good idea more well-known." CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:52:10.843" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="777" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="@quid : Again, as I said, putting things into &quot;notifications&quot; would obviate the need for such emails." CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:59:13.957" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="778" PostId="166" Score="6" Text="@MichaelHardy: while I think I agree it could be a good addition to the notification system that people that voted to close/reopen or perhaps also edited a post can be notified (which as far as I know is not possible, though I am completely new to this notification thing so this might be wrong) and while personally I am also (I think) pretty good about following up on MO matters on MO, under *no circumstances* would I want to receive email about such matters and sending them strikes me (but one might see this differenlty) as quite inapproriate ." CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:12:48.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="785" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="@quid : I use my real name and I always feel that what I post here is in public and not behind closed doors.  Are there really people who feel strongly posting here this is like confessing sins to their priest or psychiatrist or something?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:03:39.500" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="787" PostId="166" Score="6" Text="@MichaelHardy: the point to me is that while often times I am very active on MO, I have complete control over when I am active and when not. If I do not visit the site it is simply &quot;gone&quot; from my daily routine. If now I would receive emails, even more so when it would be to my general address, related to it this would stop being the case (that I can simply 'turn off MO'). I think I would also feel like this if I were posting under my real name." CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:12:38.103" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1350" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi : You wrote: &quot;I do think that down-votes and closure are one of the main ways to maintain quality on MathOverflow&quot;.  Closure is different from down-votes.  I saw it asserted that down-votes are one of the principal ways quality is maintained.  That makes no sense.  If someone asks why zebras have stripes, then that poster doesn't know why that's off topic here.  Down-voting the question fails to communicate that.  A short verbal explanation of why it's off topic does communicate that." CreationDate="2013-07-03T21:06:18.380" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="1358" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi : I wonder if you realize that the strange way you constructed your sentence can make reasonable people wonder if you were thinking about what you were writing?  &quot;...down-votes AND closure ARE _ONE_ of the main ways...&quot;.  The effects of down-votes and the effects of closure are so different from each other, especially in the ways that are relevant to the topic of the comment, that you can't have thought much about that topic if you wrote something like that." CreationDate="2013-07-03T23:06:23.537" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="1359" PostId="166" Score="3" Text="@MichaelHardy vous etes tres fiere en discutant les fautes de langue des autres, hein? I will not engage in any further discussion here. Feel free to hone your rapier thrusts as you please at the inaccuracies of things I wrote in a hurry on an iPad while fed up." CreationDate="2013-07-04T00:04:45.513" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1360" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi : I was attempting to discuss something of consequence in a serious way.  I have no interest in finding fault with what others write.  In fact, I find that rather unpleasant." CreationDate="2013-07-04T00:45:56.053" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="436" PostId="167" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer. I'm not convinced by the spam argument (not saying you're wrong, just that I personally am skeptical) because we were catching spam fine before- there didn't seem to have been a problem there.&#xA;As for non-answers... well, maybe... but I suspect that the result might be more incorrect closures for the wrong reasons (which causes a lot of damage) than accurate flaggings of non-answers (whose effect on the site as a whole is marginal)... but maybe others think differently?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:15:03.183" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="442" PostId="167" Score="0" Text="There is some potential for misuse in the review feature, so this is certainly something one should keep an eye on. Questions are also removed from the queue again if enough users vote to keep them open." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:20:01.407" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="466" PostId="168" Score="1" Text="You seem to be saying that a focused question that has a specific goal cannot also be an imprecise question.  I think I can probably find counterexamples to that among questions asked and answered on mathoverflow." CreationDate="2013-06-26T12:27:17.573" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="467" PostId="168" Score="0" Text="I agree that a focused question can still be imprecise. I feel the problem with your original question is that it was not focused. For example, I'm not sure if Baby Dragon's comment (or my follow up to it) answer your question." CreationDate="2013-06-26T12:31:32.153" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="550" PostId="168" Score="1" Text="I've posted a list of the aforementioned counterexamples as a postscript to my question.  Doubtless it's incomplete, but it should be enough." CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:42:33.723" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="553" PostId="168" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHardy: Please stay on topic. I *thought* you wanted to know about why your question was closed. I believe I've explained that in this answer. Why are you arguing with me about the relative definitions of &quot;imprecise&quot; and &quot;unfocused&quot; and editing your question to put words in my mouth? Berating me with examples or angry postscripts will not make your original question better. Making it clear what constitutes an answer will." CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:55:15.337" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="555" PostId="168" Score="1" Text="I was not angry, and I don't think I misrepresented what you said.  I think I was on topic because it was suggested that being imprecise is contrary to the desiderata that were stated." CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:58:39.187" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="557" PostId="168" Score="14" Text="It's hard for me to read your emotion (I have reason to believe that other people also think your behavior is angry). And I obviously didn't get my meaning across. Anyway, I feel like you're misplacing your energy by harping on the words &quot;precise&quot; and &quot;focused&quot;. As far as I can tell, everybody agrees about the fine distinction, but they were treated as synonyms, which lead to confusion. Even Andy Putman's original comment, which started that confusion, points to the fact that you have not made clear what constitutes an answer to your question. This is the key point you should address. Do it." CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:26:00.527" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="409" PostId="169" Score="0" Text="I generally agree, and even more so given the context of MathOverflow. But this is going to be difficult to explain to the SE-outsiders. Not once I ran into difficulties with visiting users on MSE." CreationDate="2013-06-26T07:14:32.160" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="411" PostId="169" Score="26" Text="It would be nice to have a &quot;No Bump&quot; button, because sometimes things nag at you until you have to fix them." CreationDate="2013-06-26T07:36:32.570" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="427" PostId="169" Score="8" Text="But if you use the &quot;newest questions&quot; as the front page then you don't see all these bumps, do you?  (I switched to &quot;newest questions&quot; a *long* time ago just to avoid this.)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T09:34:26.723" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="430" PostId="169" Score="1" Text="@AndrewStacey hmm, didn't know that. Clearly I've been using the wrong thing and giving it the wrong name" CreationDate="2013-06-26T09:50:24.717" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="462" PostId="169" Score="1" Text="With the review queue currently so full, there may be a lot of bumped questions as a side-effect.  Hopefully this will become less of a problem once the queues are cleared." CreationDate="2013-06-26T11:47:01.813" UserId="7252" />
  <row Id="1609" PostId="169" Score="6" Text="Yemon, could you explain more what the problem is with old questions being bumped to the front page? Is it really so troublesome? It would seem beneficial to correct both English and mathematics, if the posts are really improved." CreationDate="2013-07-09T11:23:59.463" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="1611" PostId="169" Score="2" Text="FWIW: I've been doing some editing in response to http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/374/latex-mathoverflow-net-png-images-broken/385#385" CreationDate="2013-07-09T12:01:13.567" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1683" PostId="169" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins that's a very reasonable request; I've found myself a bit too busy this week to collect and edit my thoughts, but I just wanted to acknowledge your comment" CreationDate="2013-07-10T23:16:48.320" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2027" PostId="169" Score="9" Text="@FredKline: There is a very strong reason why the &quot;No Bump&quot; button does not exist.  If it did, it would be extremely easy for a rogue user to vandalize many of the very old posts on the site by editing and turning them into garbage.  Currently this is not possible, as other users will see that activity.  Preventing valuable questions and answers from being vandalized is the reason why StackExchange will never implement a &quot;No Bump&quot; button." CreationDate="2013-07-16T22:28:37.867" UserId="12176" />
  <row Id="21489" PostId="169" Score="0" Text="@EricNaslund Why isn't visibility to moderators/reviewers separate from what lands on the front page? I thought there's a review queue?" CreationDate="2020-01-14T22:22:59.473" UserId="74578" />
  <row Id="407" PostId="170" Score="2" Text="Sometimes at MO1 people would post an answer as a summary of discussion in comments, or on behalf of someone else, and then decline any rep, so choose CW, but not to have a massively editable answer. However it was still handy knowing who posted it." CreationDate="2013-06-26T06:59:42.350" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="410" PostId="170" Score="0" Text="Tim, MO has a lot of use for CW posts, which deviates by a lot from the &quot;SE guidelines&quot;, and that's fine. I remember that when CW became a mod setting (for questions) we raised some voices on meta.MSE and more than a handful of outsiders raised eyebrows on that." CreationDate="2013-06-26T07:28:38.403" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="412" PostId="170" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I revised my answer a bit, my goal was to explain what it was, and our advice on how to apply it. You should of course continue using it in the way it works best for you." CreationDate="2013-06-26T07:43:06.490" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="413" PostId="170" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts That's a good example of a canonical answer, and definitely what the feature is designed for (intended more for broader editing, but what works well works!)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T07:44:33.927" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="464" PostId="170" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification." CreationDate="2013-06-26T12:12:47.877" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="414" PostId="171" Score="30" Text="I always wanted a &quot;silent edit&quot; function where you can edit a post without unnecessarily bumping the thread to the frontpage. I don't mind other users' correcting posts, but it kind of makes me a little uncomfortable when I correct my own minor grammatical errors, typos, latex formatting and whatnot." CreationDate="2013-06-26T07:47:31.190" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="421" PostId="171" Score="2" Text="There is correct, and then there is nitpicking that is best left for articles and formal work. Sometimes I am tempted to retaliate by changing all the blackboard bolds to actual bolds, with Bourbaki and others on my side..." CreationDate="2013-06-26T08:49:25.787" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="479" PostId="171" Score="2" Text="Sure, Yemon, we are all expecting to be reasonable." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:19:33.333" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="761" PostId="171" Score="3" Text="Could you give an example of edits of the type mentioned in OP that you consider as reasonable and some that you would not consider as reasonable anymore. I think this is important, else everybody agrees that everybody should only do reasonable edits except that there are different (and valid!) notions of reasonable in this context. To make the request specific, is tweaking the size of delimiters reasonable or not for MO, in your opinion?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T18:07:11.327" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1506" PostId="171" Score="0" Text="@quid In most circumstances, tweaking the size of delimiters is not a good idea if it will bump the post up to where it will annoy others. I would, however, make an exception for formulas that have so many nested parentheses, all of the same shape and size, that they can be parsed only by a pushdown automaton (or a person consciously simulating such an automaton); in such a case, go ahead and tweak.  (Or perhaps correcting such a mess would not be called &quot;tweaking&quot;?)" CreationDate="2013-07-06T23:47:01.557" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="1508" PostId="171" Score="2" Text="@AndreasBlass: thank you for the detailed reply. The specific situation that motivated my comment was not nested or anything. IIRC, it was one set of delimiters and also admittedly misused greater/less were replace for rangle/langle in addition (but rather independently). [But it was not me who wanted to make the edit, I wanted only to know how this is seen relative to the consensus established here.] Personally, I agree with you, but my poll-answer shows that there is no clear consensus for this view." CreationDate="2013-07-07T00:01:03.610" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1566" PostId="171" Score="2" Text="I'll say that many of the edits I see happening are either very minor and I consider them unnecessary and intrusive, or are radical and inappropriate. (Fortunately, we also have appropriate edits happening as well.)" CreationDate="2013-07-08T22:23:09.207" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1567" PostId="171" Score="1" Text="(And @quid, I just saw your comment, somehow I missed the first time 'round, the notification system does not wait until you actually reads the comments before it disappears.)" CreationDate="2013-07-08T22:24:12.007" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1582" PostId="171" Score="3" Text="To be clear, the ridiculousness we are currently seeing in the front page, where at least 6 rather old and dormant questions are there simply because of minor edits by the [same person](http://mathoverflow.net/users/16302), is not reasonable, and I would encourage this behavior to be avoided." CreationDate="2013-07-09T00:41:23.580" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1586" PostId="171" Score="0" Text="Andres, this is the kind of thing I was afraid of..." CreationDate="2013-07-09T00:46:36.763" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1587" PostId="171" Score="0" Text="Yes, I was naive." CreationDate="2013-07-09T00:47:04.847" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1707" PostId="171" Score="2" Text="Andres, I voted up this answer because I agreed that we should strive to make sure all posts appear correctly, even if old. But it seems (from your edit here and your edit rollbacks on main) that you now backtrack from this? If so, it seems that the interpretation of votes here becomes muddled, because some now take this answer to oppose spelling corrections and minor edits; but I had understood it originally to tolerate them. If you've changed your mind, could I ask that you roll back your edit here and make a separate answer specifically opposed to spelling corrections and minor edits?" CreationDate="2013-07-11T14:32:10.457" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="1716" PostId="171" Score="1" Text="Hi Joel! I am not opposed to minor edits or spelling corrections, I do that myself every now and then, and they of course improve the site overall. I am opposed to seeing twenty of them at the same time, so they cover the front page, in posts whose clarity is not really improved by these changes, which is what we saw a couple of days ago. (This is the &quot;we are all expecting to be reasonable&quot; I mentioned days ago. If one edits reasonably, nobody will be annoyed as a result, and everything gets better.)" CreationDate="2013-07-11T16:04:58.653" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2007" PostId="171" Score="3" Text="Interesting general kind of discussion. On a wiki &quot;page churn&quot; is considered good, and its absence a sign the site is becoming dormant. On a newsgroup, the convention is pretty much opposite. I'm a wiki person, would see &quot;minor edits&quot; as a plus." CreationDate="2013-07-16T10:55:13.550" UserId="6153" />
  <row Id="542" PostId="172" Score="2" Text="Thanks. Time will tell, but I find the third type interesting for MO in particular. Some really meaty questions do not quite get finished, and further discussion by two or three people who stay interested in the question might lead to, well, publications. I used to suggest that for MO and email, nobody did that. Maybe the auto-suggested chat rooms will get people liking the general idea." CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:02:04.870" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="419" PostId="174" Score="0" Text="The third one's called BS, looking at comment replies." CreationDate="2013-06-26T08:23:50.120" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="424" PostId="174" Score="0" Text="I'm checking on this now." CreationDate="2013-06-26T09:07:15.207" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="501" PostId="176" Score="6" Text="Well, since editing DOES lead to the question being bumped, how would you answer the question actually asked?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:45:13.790" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="585" PostId="176" Score="1" Text="There are good reasons why edits bump the question, and I am not sure those do not apply to MO, even if they do apply to a lesser extend than on other SE sites." CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:39:00.443" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="592" PostId="176" Score="8" Text="If editing did not bump the posts, then it would be easy to vandalize posts." CreationDate="2013-06-26T21:31:23.327" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="706" PostId="176" Score="2" Text="I think it DOES answer the question, which asks for votes on &quot;should we edit questions just to improve formatting&quot;. The answer is &quot;yes, and it shouldn't cause the question to be bumped. The fact that it does is an unfortunate current reality, but shouldn't prevent us from improving answers.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-27T07:51:51.857" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="432" PostId="177" Score="2" Text="I don't feel that the moderators should carry the burden of deleting all the crankery. This is something easily done by a community with a large enough user basis. In particular since the moderation on MO is &quot;less subject&quot; to meddling by yearly elections." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:09:08.740" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="433" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila hmm. How much crankery do you get? 10k users can see VLQ flags." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:10:43.657" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="434" PostId="177" Score="1" Text="I don't know if a whole lot. But more than &quot;rarely&quot;. I also don't think that the 10k user base is sufficiently large for this. (For example, I'm not a part of it! ;-))" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:12:38.643" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="435" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Well, aside from 10k deletion, how will you get rid of such posts? Spam flags? (also, a meta post urging the 10k community to take an active part in community moderation would be good)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:14:49.523" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="437" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="No, users with 5k or so can &quot;recommend deletion&quot; on LQ reviews. If the LQ flags send posts into the review queue, that would be sufficient and much better." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:15:45.763" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="440" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Right, except that &quot;recommend deletion&quot; does nothing but make the post a priority for 10k users (i.e., a 10k user visiting the queue sees these first). Same problem, then" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:18:22.383" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="444" PostId="177" Score="4" Text="No. It does delete the post if six users recommend its deletion. You're a moderator, get your facts straight! :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:20:40.703" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="445" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila huh, that's new" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:21:03.163" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="446" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="No, that's how it always been. It's even more interesting to see that the deletion is &quot;unsigned&quot; there's no trace to who were the users who recommended deletion, unless you dig out the review report." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:21:37.600" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="447" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I'm quite sure that wasn't the case initially :P Also, as a moderator on sites where community-deletions rarely happen, I've never seen that happen." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:21:56.293" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="449" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="That is how things happened on MSE ever since &quot;Recommend deletion&quot; was implemented. Trust me, I've been following that system for a while now." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:22:39.697" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="450" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Oh well. Better update my meta-faq post on this then :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:22:56.640" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="451" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="(And ask a second one for piping VLQ to the queue)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:23:23.613" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="452" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="I already made a feature request on the second one." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:23:51.577" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="453" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="Also, if you look at the comments on Andy's answer on this page you'll find a link to a review where six users recommend deletion and the post is gone." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:24:55.143" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="454" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="Huh, you're right, and someone else had already [edited](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/revisions/161391/10) that faq post :P" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:26:08.843" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="455" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/review/low-quality-posts/1468 the link (I couldn't see it in the comments there), only one user has 10k, and you really need 20k to delete answers." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:26:39.477" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="456" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I got it now :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:27:13.257" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="425" PostId="178" Score="7" Text="Maybe a post you downvoted was deleted." CreationDate="2013-06-26T09:28:21.463" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="426" PostId="178" Score="0" Text="@Michael: I have not downvoted a post for at least a year. But indeed perhaps one of the old posts was deleted." CreationDate="2013-06-26T09:31:41.463" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="438" PostId="178" Score="1" Text="I know what happened here looking at the data...once I'm at a computer I'll give a full write up.  The basics a are it's a delayed recalc to ensure rep is correct when a rare race occurs on real time updates...will give a full explanation in a bit.  I can't give specific examples without saying specifically which post you downvoted (I think, need to see) would you want me to do this, and give the concrete example of what happened in this exact case?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:16:19.613" UserId="35459" />
  <row Id="441" PostId="178" Score="0" Text="@Nick: I tried to look at recently deleted posts and could not find it. But if you have time and can find the post, it would be nice." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:18:42.057" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="439" PostId="179" Score="4" Text="Re-rendering we can do, we need to be able to identify the problem cases is the tricky bit.  We'll see how to do this, of course we won't leave it broken." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:17:34.087" UserId="35459" />
  <row Id="443" PostId="179" Score="1" Text="@NickCraver Hmm, OK. It seems like the problem cases are limited to paired underscores/stars in mathjax, though :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:20:29.160" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="668" PostId="179" Score="0" Text="It looks like there has now been a re-rendering done? In any case, the fourth example problem quoted in the question 'fixed itself' without any editing. (The other three seem fixed too, but I can't tell if it's because they were recently edited.)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T03:51:45.987" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="429" PostId="180" Score="0" Text="Thank you, but I could not find the deleted post. Perhaps a better way is to use the &quot;review&quot; and see posts that are recently deleted." CreationDate="2013-06-26T09:42:53.207" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="431" PostId="180" Score="0" Text="It is strange but among recently deleted posts there are none which I downvoted." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:01:45.590" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="511" PostId="181" Score="2" Text="Would it be possible to generate a list of users with very short names who were renamed as a result of this? I'd be happy to contact the active users who were affected by this directly to explain what we've done to them." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:40:36.220" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="580" PostId="181" Score="0" Text="I would suggest padding VA (and FC and any others) with a period, as described at http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/106200/why-was-a-period-added-to-my-short-display-name/106213 . I hope we don't get a four character minimum; whatever would JSE do?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:01:36.820" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="584" PostId="181" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison I _think_ that's possible, but I have to wait for some folks to get off a plane. I'll be in touch via email either way." CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:35:13.880" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="2466" PostId="181" Score="0" Text="It seems MO [cannot see my gravatar](http://mathoverflow.net/users/1585/user1585) or any of my other OpenID information.  When I click &quot;Change picture&quot;, it shows an image with pink shapes on it, but not the photograph of me that is available on [stackoverflow.com](http://stackoverflow.com/users/111307/bobobobo)." CreationDate="2013-08-04T00:16:04.433" UserId="1585" />
  <row Id="475" PostId="183" Score="9" Text="&quot;Drunken post full of nonsense&quot; :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T13:52:17.280" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="476" PostId="183" Score="1" Text="As a guideline, the suggested wording is `Questions about X are off-topic because Y.  For more information, see [Z](link to meta post).` Feel free to change it, but it can be helpful to have as a starting point." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:18:11.747" UserId="35540" />
  <row Id="477" PostId="183" Score="1" Text="Note: The first one is the &quot;default&quot; off topic reason. It will disappear the moment you add another. You can have a total of three active custom reasons (see: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/186042/178438)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:18:54.533" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="478" PostId="183" Score="1" Text="Do you guys get a lot of research level homework questions?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:19:20.597" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="480" PostId="183" Score="3" Text="@Manishearth, graduate level homework questions are often acceptable." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:21:08.500" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="482" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais &quot;often&quot; .. so are you picky about these? In that case you may want an &quot;non-conceptual homework&quot; close reason (or something like that). We have a homework policy and associated close reason on Physics, for example." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:27:32.183" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="483" PostId="183" Score="1" Text="We've had tons of discussions about this in the old days. Closed homework questions are usually undergraduate level and therefore unsuitable for other reasons." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:32:47.377" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="484" PostId="183" Score="1" Text="A &quot;do your research before posting&quot; reason might be handy though." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:33:26.753" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="485" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais ah, I see. So no need for a separate reason." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:34:04.610" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="486" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Yeah, &quot;do your research&quot; sounds much more like it :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:34:21.483" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="606" PostId="183" Score="2" Text="The homework issue is less important to me than &quot;did you try hard first, using the skill-set and initiative that are necessary to do research in mathematcs&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:17:07.057" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="725" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="I am not sure if this is the right place but I think it would be good to bring back the no longer relevant closing option to close questions answered in comments or old big list questions getting spammy answers." CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:15:21.137" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="726" PostId="183" Score="1" Text="Old big-list questions should get the new historical lock treatment." CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:24:31.617" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="752" PostId="183" Score="1" Text="@François, I think protect can sometimes be a better option for old big-list questions than locking, it would prevent spam answers, see for example [this cstheory question](http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/1168/). Locking with `for historical reasons` implies that similar questions are not welcome anymore." CreationDate="2013-06-27T16:04:46.767" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1419" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh I'd be happy with that inference!  (Speaking as someone who would find quite a few of my early questions being &quot;locked&quot;.)" CreationDate="2013-07-05T08:50:05.487" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="27442" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="For people who stumble upon this post, I'll mention at least here in comments that the custom close reasons have been substantially changed in the meantime.  See here: [Revamping the closure reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1193) (November 2013), [Revamping the closure reasons in 2022](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5327) (May-June 2022)." CreationDate="2022-06-28T03:16:17.123" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="481" PostId="184" Score="2" Text="I've seen the (irreversible!) community wiki option misused so often, I think it's a good idea to have an approval mechanism." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:24:52.013" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="493" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="Ah okay. I have mixed feelings with that at best. For one thing I didn't think that the number of CW questions was too large. A technical question: I assume that when your question is made CW by the moderators," CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:39:35.557" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="494" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="argh argh argh quel horreur" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:40:05.200" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="495" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="You can edit comments, don't worry!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:40:30.737" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="496" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="The new comment system posts your comment each time you type return ???!!!??? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:41:22.647" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="497" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="Yes, no more multiline comments. It's fine, though, you can used to this pretty fast." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:42:29.683" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="498" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="Alas, the system is very keen on shortcuts: enter to post, escape to cancel.  There were some Greasemonkey scripts to override this, but the code seems to have changed and they no longer seem to work." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:43:17.217" UserId="7252" />
  <row Id="499" PostId="185" Score="1" Text="Ah okay. But that's a second feature I don't like in the new version. When I think of it, the invasion of Facebook, tweeter, etc. in any question is a third." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:43:36.563" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="500" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="@Joël: The social nets invasion was **much** worse at first. It took some time before they hid everything into the &quot;share&quot; button." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:44:53.147" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="520" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="I&#xA;think&#xA;you&#xA;can&#xA;still&#xA;make&#xA;multi-line&#xA;comments&#xA;if&#xA;you&#xA;hold&#xA;shift&#xA;when&#xA;you&#xA;press&#xA;enter/return.&#xA;Edit: Apparently not." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:56:13.917" UserId="396" />
  <row Id="522" PostId="185" Score="3" Text="@Evans: You$${}$$can use$${}$$LaTeX trickery, though!$$\\\phantom{blablablablablabla}\text{- Asaf.}$$" CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:58:24.167" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="524" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="Sneaky! $\hphantom{Really sneaky!}$" CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:59:20.927" UserId="396" />
  <row Id="487" PostId="186" Score="4" Text="The second sentence would have to be edited; &quot;reputable journals&quot; are taboo these days..." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:34:31.807" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="488" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais O_o Care to clarify? I'm not a mathematician and I'm not sure if you're joking :S" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:35:09.740" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="489" PostId="186" Score="6" Text="Not kidding - http://thecostofknowledge.com/" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:36:42.767" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="490" PostId="186" Score="3" Text="I also wouldn't want people to read in: &quot;your research is not fit for publication.&quot; We're not referees!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:37:52.287" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="491" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais oh, the Elsevier business. Have any alternative wordings? It's got to be as clear and objective as possible. (And having the word &quot;crank&quot; may not be a good idea in a close reason)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:38:08.957" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="492" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais that too. On Physics, we usually don't care much for kook theorists. These are the guys posting about perpetual motion machines and various other crap; so we don't mind if they think we told them it's unsuitable for publication." CreationDate="2013-06-26T14:39:14.790" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="509" PostId="186" Score="2" Text="Since our user base consists mostly of high-level researchers, they have different sensitivities. (Though the underlying issues are often the same as elsewhere.)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:39:31.030" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="600" PostId="186" Score="2" Text="I conjecture that none of the answers I've given on MO could be published in a reputable journal, and very few could be published in disreputable journals.  MO questions and answers very rarely rise to the level of publications." CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:10:07.763" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="602" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@AndreasBlass Oh, we're not talking about the posts being published, we're talking about topics. Is the question/answer about something mainstream and publishable? Then OK. I'll edit it." CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:12:28.307" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="605" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="How about: &quot;*Questions about the general correctness of unpublished preprints and solutions of major open problems are off-topic. For more information, see [our policy for questions about preprints].*&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:15:24.653" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="608" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh you guys have that policy? Great! (I'll edit it in) However, this doesn't cover posts (especially answers) which are _about_ a crank theory, clearly seeking to get attention. (Or do you not get that type on MO?)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:19:39.667" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="609" PostId="186" Score="1" Text="@Manishearth, there is a policy about open problems, don't know if there was one about preprints. What I wrote in the comment above is what I have written for cstheory. It might be better to make the answer CW so others who are more familiar with the exact policies on MO can edit them. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:21:54.760" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="610" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh ah, I see. Also, done." CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:22:42.167" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="655" PostId="186" Score="3" Text="Leaving open problems and preprint-checking to others, let me comment again on the problem of cranks. We certainly want to exclude them, as a matter of policy, but we (or at least most of us) are too polite to use the word &quot;crank&quot; or synonyms in the policy statement. &quot;Publishable&quot; and &quot;mainstream&quot; seem too restrictive. Having &quot;publishable&quot; refer to topics (rather than the post itself) seems not to work either; cranks like to work on *topics* where correct work would be publishable. (To be continued in another comment as I'm running out of space here.)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T02:09:59.963" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="656" PostId="186" Score="3" Text="Many people have a narrower idea of &quot;mainstream&quot; than I would like. For example, I think many people would consider ultrafinitism to be outside the mainstream, yet I can imagine a perfectly reasonable MO question about some aspect of Ed Nelson's work.  (On the other hand, I'd want to exclude confused posts like those of WM and sock puppets.)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T02:13:00.773" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="733" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@AndreasBlass I understand what you mean. This is exactly why we talk of &quot;reputable journals&quot; -- this forms a much more objective criteria for mainstream. If a post is about a topic that (a) has been published in a mainstream journal in the past or (b) Is obviously publishable, then that works. Ed Nelson's work is not just floating around on vixra, they're published in reputable journals (well, maybe not his, but I remember reading about ultrainfinitism in a mainstream paper)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:55:15.443" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="734" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="I agree that &quot;crank&quot; is too strong, though it codifies exactly what we want to convey. I think I can explain the reputable journals thing by example: On Physics.SE, we allow questions on newtonian mechanics an other similar topics. These topics once were published in mainstream journals, but not so much anymore. We also allow questions on AdS/CFT (or string theory, or whatever), a cutting-edge topic. This includes questions proposing slight modifications to the theory which may not yet be published, but it is obvious that it can be." CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:58:47.473" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="736" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@AndreasBlass What about the new one in this post? I feel that we probably can get to a good wording if we collaborate on this :) (Any ideas for a better one?)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T14:10:51.870" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="597" PostId="187" Score="6" Text="Surely mathematicians will prefer to say &quot;at least a minimal amount of work&quot; or simply &quot;some work&quot;.  I wouldn't want to have to undo some of my work if it turned out to be more than minimal." CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:06:17.390" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="601" PostId="187" Score="0" Text="@AndreasBlass Psh. ;-) I'm not a mathematician. Anyway, edited, good catch." CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:11:14.453" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="615" PostId="188" Score="0" Text="I think my &quot;original question on MSE&quot; is the same question.  I just gave more concrete details of one example and of one general rule.  (The &quot;general rule&quot; is that the graphs live on a torus.)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:37:05.877" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="503" PostId="189" Score="1" Text="Wow... Wikioverflow much." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:31:38.090" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="504" PostId="189" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila fortunately you can only have one post notice at a time. (And I think a total of three banners per post, though that limit rarely gets hit)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:32:44.670" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="505" PostId="189" Score="0" Text="See also: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/165006/what-are-these-notices-under-my-post and http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/172571/how-rare-should-post-notices-be" CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:33:25.673" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="507" PostId="189" Score="0" Text="That was my reaction too, @AsafKaragila, but it made sense when I saw it was intended for Skeptics..." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:37:42.803" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="508" PostId="189" Score="1" Text="@François: I'm skeptic about that. *rimshot sound here*" CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:38:27.260" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="563" PostId="189" Score="1" Text="@François, you may want to use the [tag:policy] tag for questions like this, it will make it easier to find them later." CreationDate="2013-06-26T19:05:13.570" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="648" PostId="189" Score="0" Text="One more thing: I don't know if you had it in SE1.0 but in SE2.0 you can protect questions so new users who haven't gained at least 10 points on MO cannot post new answers to them. You may want to try it sometime on one of old questions with large number of answers." CreationDate="2013-06-27T01:17:14.437" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="649" PostId="189" Score="0" Text="regarding the post notices, I have never used one directly. The notices that come with locking are more useful, for example, if an old question is no longer considered suitable for MO you can lock it and add a notice stating that this question is here for historical reasons. See [this](http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/923) for an example." CreationDate="2013-06-27T01:26:29.367" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="650" PostId="189" Score="0" Text="It seems, though, that post notices would serve a different purpose; steering away from closure rather than explaining the fact." CreationDate="2013-06-27T01:41:34.847" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="651" PostId="189" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, http://instantrimshot.com/ is what you're looking for." CreationDate="2013-06-27T01:48:15.430" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="709" PostId="189" Score="0" Text="@Gerry: I know. I even installed such app on my iPhone and I'm using the rimshot sound in real life. Although a better usage of this is the crickets sound, when I ask the class something (e.g. &quot;So this set is uncountable, and therefore ...&quot;) and nobody answers I'd play it." CreationDate="2013-06-27T08:47:04.400" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="722" PostId="189" Score="4" Text="Am I the only one who finds the wording of the “Citation needed” notice, copied-and-pasted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Unreferenced, quite silly? This is not an encyclopedia. The users are not writing “articles”, we do not have any local equivalent of the “reliable sources” policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RS), and while including references in answers is often helpful, posts do not get “removed” here just because of being “unsourced”." CreationDate="2013-06-27T12:46:26.740" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="792" PostId="189" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek, this is definitely worded for Skeptics and probably doesn't apply to any other network site. Notices would have to be tailored for MO to make sense here. For example, &quot;missing context&quot; makes a lot more sense than &quot;citation needed&quot; but since post notices are exclusively managed by moderators, neither makes much practical sense." CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:39:58.733" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6217" PostId="189" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I see what you did there" CreationDate="2014-01-03T20:04:35.423" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="506" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="Since it's a mod-only thing, it better be rarely needed. It might be handy for what we used to call &quot;borderline cases&quot; (that happened very rarely) but the three (current) options are not suitable for that." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:36:45.737" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="513" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais You may be able to request a post notice (not sure of that). What exactly is a &quot;borderline case&quot; in this context?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:41:57.063" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="514" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="It's impossible to define &quot;borderline cases&quot; *exactly* and notices wouldn't always be suitable. There's a bunch of historical examples at http://tea.mathoverflow.net In some cases, a notice could have easily prevented a close war..." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:45:11.833" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="515" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Oh, want to prevent close wars? Check the mod menu for a &quot;lock&quot; option (in this case the &quot;content dispute&quot; reason applies), and proceed to rub palms gleefully." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:45:55.050" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="516" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="@Manisearth: to *pre*vent them, not to stop (&quot;postvent&quot;) them." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:50:54.520" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="518" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Ah, right. Still, post locks are immensely useful when people keep editing/rollbacking or close-warring on a post. (Also, you need not explicitly ping me on my own post; I get pinged anyway)." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:53:00.353" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="521" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="Absolutely! And I love the fine tuning that post locks went through. (Default reflex, when I don't want to care which browser tab I'm typing in.)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:58:01.130" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="523" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais ah, I see :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:58:42.000" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="525" PostId="190" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Keeping you in the loop, http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/186087/a-better-insufficient-explanation-post-notice" CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:11:31.700" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="510" PostId="191" Score="6" Text="This has been proposed again and again, and [declined](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26483/could-we-have-the-ability-to-mark-a-change-as-minor-in-questions-or-answers)." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:40:25.850" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="512" PostId="191" Score="12" Text="However, using the review mechanism is a new idea :) You may wish to propose this variant on MSO then." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:41:25.010" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="517" PostId="191" Score="3" Text="Maybe also enable &quot;minor edit&quot; only past a certain reputation level, where we can be reasonably sure the editing user knows what he or she is doing. (Say 2000, which is where the ability to edit other's posts kicks in.)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:51:02.310" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="519" PostId="191" Score="5" Text="Having proposed minor edits show up in a review queue without bumping would be nice." CreationDate="2013-06-26T15:54:13.240" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="533" PostId="191" Score="5" Text="I've made a [feature-request](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/192/minor-edits-subject-to-review/). Please go vote it up! :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:35:10.257" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="526" PostId="192" Score="33" Text="Poll question (1/2): I am confident that there are sufficiently many active reviewers that minor edits would be reviewed in a timely manner." CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:24:50.387" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="527" PostId="192" Score="4" Text="Poll question (2/2): I am concerned that minor edits would overwhelm the review system." CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:25:16.120" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="528" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="The main issue I see here is that the suggested edits queue requires the approval of _two_ people. It sort of is a waste of time for two people to review a small change.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;In fact, most sites actively discourage suggesting minor edits for this reason." CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:28:35.520" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="531" PostId="192" Score="11" Text="Ideally we could drop the number of approvals down to one for minor edits. I've already approved lots of edits which improved LaTeX formatting, and weren't particularly bothered by them. Since the review queue is entirely voluntary, it's not really a 'waste of time'." CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:33:58.143" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="532" PostId="192" Score="2" Text="@Manishearth, A separate minor edits queue would be necessary (with just one 2K+ vote to clear)." CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:34:18.010" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="534" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="@Scott Well, it is if more substantial suggested edits get pushed out and have to wait. On Physics we get a steady trickle of these, I bet MO will have a lot more coming in. Ideally, a _different_ queue for these would be better but I don't see this getting implemented by the team. Alternatively, make the minor edit thing a post-approval -- the edit goes through, but it stays in a queue so others can check it out." CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:36:43.247" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="535" PostId="192" Score="4" Text="Re 2: We have over 400 users with 2K+ points. Assuming 5% participation, that's probably enough people." CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:36:44.207" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="536" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais yeah, a separate queue would work" CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:37:48.567" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="537" PostId="192" Score="3" Text="If we keep the bound on the max number of characters in a minor edit low, that should limit the queue to a reasonable size." CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:39:48.097" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="538" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="I remember that I once suggested this on meta.MSE that perhaps a bump-less edit can be made by users with X reputation and it has to be reviewed by three users with sufficiently high reputation. I don't remember what happened with this (it was a comment in some discussion, methinks)." CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:43:29.490" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="540" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="Exactly what's wrong with the sort by newest under /questions? I personally don't see the issue with minor edit bumps." CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:49:02.577" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="543" PostId="192" Score="3" Text="At least, &quot;new style&quot; tag edits by 10k+ users shouldn't bump. (See final part of http://mathoverflow.net/privileges/moderator-tools )" CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:06:12.980" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="544" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="@manishearth, personally I don't know, but we've had perennial complaints up too many minor edits. Perhaps you're right and the best solutio is to respond to such complaints by pointing out the &quot;newest&quot; tab." CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:20:49.547" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="545" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="Possibly :) One suggestion would be to open a new meta post (that contains info about the newest tab an whatnot) and ask for the community's opinion (with reasons) on minor edit bumps." CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:24:51.400" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="556" PostId="192" Score="3" Text="@Scott - I thought the &quot;newest&quot; tab reflected new questions but not new answers.  If that's right then it is not a good approximation of the &quot;active&quot; tab uncluttered by minor edits.  (For the record, I find minor edits to be a merely minor hassle, and I wouldn't personally put much effort into fixing the problem.  But if others want to fix it I'm supportive of that.)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:21:12.410" UserId="284" />
  <row Id="591" PostId="192" Score="1" Text="[I've proposed a very similar feature request in the past on MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/122567/allow-non-bumping-minor-edits-but-review-them-on-review). I'm not entirely convinced anymore that this is the best way to do this, as the reviews themselves also have a cost (in terms of time users have to spend on them), but I think some way to do this would be useful. But there are no easy solutions to this problem, they all have some drawbacks." CreationDate="2013-06-26T21:30:16.060" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="626" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, The problem is that the new questions tab do not have significant edits. I think what we want is the middle ground, not all edits, not no edits, only those which are significant enough. I think we would be fine if they just add a new tab which does show only significant edits while keeping the current ones as they are. FYI, they have done something similar on SO called [interesting tab](http://stackoverflow.com/?tab=interesting) but they haven't put it on any other site as far as I know." CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:08:03.460" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="627" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh hmm. The interesting tab can be requested, iirc, but you need a good volume." CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:11:38.843" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="628" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, but for volume no site can compete with SO!  :) I mean its volume is more than 20 times the volume of the second site ([Math.SE])." CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:17:05.683" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="629" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh you need _good_ volume, not SO-level volume :P" CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:18:00.780" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1311" PostId="192" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure if automatic CW-ing after a certain number of edits still exists, but if it does, I suppose these minor edits should not count, right?" CreationDate="2013-07-03T00:55:32.233" UserId="22447" />
  <row Id="1507" PostId="192" Score="3" Text="As I understand it, the reason for reviewing minor edits is to make sure a vandal can't come in, totally change what I wrote, and claim it's a minor edit so that nobody notices. So, might the reviewers' duties be described as simply ensuring that minor edits are truly minor and, in particular, are not vandalism? Such a limitation of duties might increase the number of willing reviewers for minor edits." CreationDate="2013-07-07T00:00:43.230" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="2303" PostId="192" Score="2" Text="I have a silly question. Is there any way of knowing if this feature request is actually moving forward or not?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T07:23:20.350" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3070" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="I ask the same question than Ricardo : I also suggest this new [chat room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/mo-editors-lounge) opened by @quid : &quot;Talk related to editing, tagging and related matters for the site MathOverflow&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-24T08:58:40.000" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3560" PostId="192" Score="3" Text="I've just pinged the Stack Exchange folks about this." CreationDate="2013-09-09T00:17:23.997" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="529" PostId="193" Score="0" Text="(And finally, sorry that was posted as an answer, not a comment. What can I say --- I miss [tea](http://tea.mathoverflow.net) a bit :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:30:44.187" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="530" PostId="193" Score="1" Text="You could just edit the original post. This wouldn't fit in a comment :P" CreationDate="2013-06-26T16:32:10.773" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="790" PostId="193" Score="9" Text="I think it's good that you posted this as an answer since it emphasizes a main difference between MO and some other network sites. On MO, posts have lasting documentary value so &quot;too many inconsequential edits&quot; is not something we want to discourage on MO. The main objection to Mad Scientist's proposal - http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/122567/allow-non-bumping-minor-edits-but-review-them-on-review - are exactly that and that reasoning does *not* apply to MO at all." CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:33:07.623" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="546" PostId="194" Score="3" Text="I recommend setting up a separate meta post where users propose tag synonyms ([example](http://meta.physics.stackexchange.com/questions/175/tag-synonyms-for-voting) ). The current &quot;vote for synonyms&quot; system is rather obscure and hard to use." CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:26:06.347" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="547" PostId="194" Score="1" Text="OK. Why not this one?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:27:38.440" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="548" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="Because there's a high chance it will get too huge. But that's OK too, just specify &quot;feel free to propose your synonyms as answers here&quot; in the q :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:28:26.373" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="549" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="I've started creating tag excerpts for some of the tags. Feel free to decline, I'm not entirely sure of some. I may create tag wikis too, though they will be short. An idea tag wiki is a good intro to the topic, with links to common canonical questions and books." CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:39:04.600" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="551" PostId="194" Score="1" Text="I declined a few, @Manishearth. I expected you wouldn't be offended but it's nice to hear you confirm." CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:45:33.907" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="552" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="Oh, sure :) I'm an outsider here, besides not being a mathematics researcher I have very little knowledge of what sort of questions get asked here. I'm only hanging around because I want to help you guys get back on your (2.0) feet :) So I don't expect to be right in these matters at all." CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:47:57.723" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="572" PostId="194" Score="4" Text="We actually have a huge list of tag merges back at [tea](http://tea.mathoverflow.net), in the sticky thread http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/34/6/tag-mergerename-requests/#Item_36. If someone would like to do some archaeology there, and propose a bunch of tag synonyms based on decisions made there, that would be great!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T19:46:38.003" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="654" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="Does anyone have any template or suggestion for what should go on the extended tag wiki (not the excerpt)? Honestly, I don't even know where to start, as it feels like a wikipedia article." CreationDate="2013-06-27T02:00:59.090" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="659" PostId="194" Score="2" Text="@Ricardo, here is an example from cstheory: http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/tags/cc.complexity-theory/info" CreationDate="2013-06-27T02:23:26.530" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="710" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade A bit about the topic. Links to great posts on the site on that topic. A list of books, papers, and online resources." CreationDate="2013-06-27T08:49:13.687" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="712" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="For an extreme example, see the [php tagwiki](http://stackoverflow.com/tags/php/info) on SO" CreationDate="2013-06-27T08:49:45.267" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="714" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: Thanks! That php example is indeed very complete. I will take a look at it when I have the time." CreationDate="2013-06-27T08:58:34.240" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="735" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="No chance to make the simple tag-editing-interface available to non-10k-users as in MO1.0?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T14:06:34.020" UserId="33842" />
  <row Id="737" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="@TheUser you need to edit the question as in MO1.0" CreationDate="2013-06-27T14:20:28.330" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="744" PostId="194" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Iirc there was a “retag”-button very similar the screenshot above (no need to go to a special page for editing)." CreationDate="2013-06-27T15:14:44.960" UserId="33842" />
  <row Id="1180" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="@TheUser if there was such a button I never saw it over my many many tag edits. This does not mean you are wrong, just that I would be very surprised if this existed (also a bit disappointed I never noticed it). [Addition: perhaps a solution of this conflicting recollection is this existed for users with retag-provilege but not full editing privilege.]" CreationDate="2013-06-30T22:32:53.163" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1182" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="I think this was the case (only for non-editors)." CreationDate="2013-07-01T00:26:53.380" UserId="33842" />
  <row Id="1184" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="@TheUser: out of more or less idle couriosity where was this button? Was it a button next to flag, link and in this style? If so I am sure this was not there for me (which as said in the addition could well be compatible with it was  there for you), there was only edit. Actually, it would make sense one had say retag *instead of* edit, if one can just retag." CreationDate="2013-07-01T00:38:57.590" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2405" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="Is there a way to change the name of a tag? Or is this something only moderators can do?" CreationDate="2013-07-29T02:08:11.417" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2406" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="@Andres: Users are usually limited to editing one post at at time. Moderators can rename and merge tags; we welcome suggestions!" CreationDate="2013-07-29T02:09:47.563" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6449" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth. I can't remember which language it was where the SO tag wiki links to a whole set of questions which, between them, form a complete tutorial. It was very impressive." CreationDate="2014-01-15T20:16:06.303" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="6452" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="@TRiG I think it was PHP" CreationDate="2014-01-15T20:25:27.930" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="8060" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="The tag [tag:projective-module] should be renamed *projective-modules* to keep the style of the other tags." CreationDate="2014-06-25T23:03:58.170" UserId="18756" />
  <row Id="15792" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="@DagOskarMadsen The tag [was pluralized](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/42188683#42188683)." CreationDate="2018-01-10T06:02:47.173" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="554" PostId="196" Score="1" Text="Oh, so _that's_ why the tag names have prefixes. I like option #2 -- tag excerpts get shown while looking for tags to enter, a short  description(instead of a list) is helpful. (However, I can see the advantage of using lists of subtopics)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:56:16.747" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="558" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="I started copying arXiv descriptions for common tags since that's already an improvement over nothing at all. Apparently, I can only do a few per day, so that will take a while..." CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:36:30.603" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="559" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="re:few-per-day:Huh? You're a moderator, this should not be rate limited.  re:improvement: I agree. The question is, do we just keep it like that or add more improvements? Also, any objections to me doing the same if you are rate limited?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:38:30.820" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="560" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="Apparently there should not be any X-tag-wiki-edits-per-day restriction for mods (I checked with Shog9). If you encounter it, please report it in the Teacher's Lounge or as a bug on meta." CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:46:24.500" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="561" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="You're right, I was blocked by a pending edit but I had to click a few random things before I could see it." CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:51:44.003" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="562" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="OK. Took care of the top ones. My cut &amp; paste skills are tired now..." CreationDate="2013-06-26T19:03:28.510" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="564" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="No probs, I'll do a few more if I get time." CreationDate="2013-06-26T19:07:29.420" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="569" PostId="196" Score="5" Text="I am still in favor of keeping the tag names as they are ([the discussion over tea](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1380/arxiv-tags-was-cs-arxiv-tags/)). A small distinguishable set of classification tags is essential (at least for me).  	&#xA;Btw, don't forget that you can now define tag synonyms. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T19:36:25.120" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1127" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="I also like option #2." CreationDate="2013-06-30T09:27:04.413" UserDisplayName="user5810" />
  <row Id="2270" PostId="196" Score="1" Text="This is not completly on-topic here, I originally wanted to ask a separate question, but decided on quickly asking you here: it seems to me *at the moment* these tags are nowwhere documented. By contrast on the old MO they were very prominent on the Ask Question page. The &quot;nowhere&quot; is more for the documentation discussion, but I'd like to know something else: do you know if we could (at least in principle) get the current text 'in the tag box' while it is empty changed to mention them?" CreationDate="2013-07-25T16:10:30.377" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="578" PostId="197" Score="7" Text="I disagree with the down votes. Although Manishearth is right that there is an easy work around, it would be better design to automate this if possible. As such, it is on the borderline between a bug and a feature-request; I have added the second tag." CreationDate="2013-06-26T19:56:56.690" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="582" PostId="197" Score="2" Text="@DavidSpeyer I suspect people vote on meta questions here like they do on other SE sites. Namely, a downvote displayes disagreement with the proposal (or opinion or whatever)." CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:13:19.307" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="594" PostId="197" Score="1" Text="In the specific case you are talking about, I didn't get any notification when you wrote &quot;@David Roberts&quot;, because I hadn't previously commented on the question. Not sure what to do other than hope that people check meta regularly, if they are in the practice of voting to close." CreationDate="2013-06-26T21:59:46.563" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="599" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts : Should I take that as expressing agreement with the feature request?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:08:31.393" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="607" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts http://mathoverflow.net/help/whats-meta, the voting section" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:17:42.360" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="611" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="I'm just pointing out what happened in this case." CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:23:03.277" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="613" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts sure :) I was just letting you know about the voting differences if you didn't already" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:25:03.507" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="815" PostId="197" Score="5" Text="This is not really a bug, the system is designed to work this way, so the [meta-tag:bug] tag seems incorrect for this question." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:40:34.420" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2482" PostId="197" Score="1" Text="Speaking of tags, [meta-tag:notifications] and [meta-tag:closed-questions] seem reasonable tags for this question." CreationDate="2013-08-04T17:41:39.603" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2483" PostId="197" Score="2" Text="@Kaveh : Sometimes reasonable people could think it was a mistake to intentionally design the system to work in a certain way, and they could adduce specific reasons for so thinking.  Might they not reasonably call something a &quot;bug&quot; in that case even if it was intended?" CreationDate="2013-08-04T19:42:51.493" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2487" PostId="197" Score="2" Text="The description of the tag [meta-tag:bug] states that it is for reporting _unexpected behavior_: &quot;Indicates you've found an erroneous or unexpected behaviour in the system that needs to be fixed.&quot; If something is designed intentionally to work in some way it is not an unexpected behavior and if you report it as bug it will closed and tagged with [meta-tag:status-bydesign]. This tag has particular use and what some think should be called a bug is irrelevant. When you are requesting a change in the system you should use [meta-tag:feature-request]." CreationDate="2013-08-04T19:59:54.797" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="598" PostId="198" Score="1" Text="How can that work?  If you vote to close a question, do you subsequently get automatically notified of new comments under it?  Is so, you're actually saying so would make your meaning clear.  If not, then it won't work." CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:07:12.823" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="603" PostId="198" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHardy VTCers can't undo a vote anyway. This informs people who see the post _after_ the meta post is opened up. Which means that they will go there first, instead of continuing a discussion there/voting to close or reopen" CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:14:40.503" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="681" PostId="198" Score="3" Text="Regardless of whether someone who voted to close cam revoke their vote, we have long encouraged them to be willing to explain their reasons to close, and to participate in a discussion if appropriate. Developing and maintaining a good culture of closing questions is important, and hard! Hence making it easy for people voting to close to be aware if what's going on later seems a very worthy goal." CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:19:59.410" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="682" PostId="198" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison sure, though as long as you have a strong meta culture, _who_ participates in the discussion actually doesn't matter much." CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:22:00.923" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="683" PostId="198" Score="0" Text="But I do see what you mean; an explanation from the original closer can clear things up." CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:24:16.340" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="11499" PostId="198" Score="1" Text="I disagree with the spirit of this answer.  I would certainly want to know if any question I had voted to close on was taken up at meta, so I can reevaluate my vote, and vote to open if necessary.  Of course this is not necessary since others can vote to reopen anyway, but in my opinion people should be encouraged to take responsibility for actions such as voting to close." CreationDate="2015-10-17T17:34:20.820" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="587" PostId="199" Score="1" Text="Not necessary, though. _Any_ edit will fix these, as long as you don't introduce more issues." CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:42:52.633" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="588" PostId="199" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, I tried that on one edit and it didn't change.  The braces fixed it." CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:45:42.987" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="620" PostId="199" Score="1" Text="@Fred: The edit has to make a change recognized by the system. It is possible that your test edit did not change the answer, and thus did not actually count as an edit." CreationDate="2013-06-26T23:17:02.100" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="674" PostId="199" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, You are right. I tried it on two of my own questions." CreationDate="2013-06-27T04:29:52.860" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="675" PostId="199" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade, I think that is what happened (see my other comment.)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T04:30:45.693" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="586" PostId="200" Score="4" Text="You're not doing anything wrong, this is a [known bug](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/184603/clicking-leave-closed-shows-the-reopen-pop-up)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:42:13.927" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="593" PostId="201" Score="2" Text="Well I'm afraid I have to disagree, if those questions have been answered, and the edit is done not for sake of mathematical interest but because someone cannot bear to see a comment or answer which uses $R$ instead of $\mathbb R$. I did mean resurrection, not re-awakening" CreationDate="2013-06-26T21:50:21.823" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="762" PostId="201" Score="3" Text="I would like to point out that there is, beyond the reservations expressed by @YemonChoi that one might or might not share, also a difference between owner bumping their post in one way or another *if* and also *when* they find it reasonable, and questions being bumped at some more or less arbitrary point of time by somebody *else* doing the edit." CreationDate="2013-06-27T18:13:01.020" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="616" PostId="203" Score="0" Text="Copied here from [the original MO faq](http://web.archive.org/web/20130501231334/http://mathoverflow.net/faq) for easy access." CreationDate="2013-06-26T22:51:11.333" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="621" PostId="203" Score="0" Text="The first bullet point can be copied over to http://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic. See also: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/83/editing-of-the-help-center-and-about" CreationDate="2013-06-26T23:24:24.493" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="715" PostId="203" Score="5" Text="Would it be possible to have this prominently visible in the main site? You can't really expect new users to browse through all of meta before posting." CreationDate="2013-06-27T09:09:38.877" UserId="4790" />
  <row Id="718" PostId="203" Score="0" Text="Will there be any attempt at updating the FAQ to bring it up to date? Should the community edit the answers below?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T09:33:10.403" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="747" PostId="203" Score="1" Text="@Ricardo, I think it would be more productive if we discuss the faq items in separate questions and only update them after agreement over them." CreationDate="2013-06-27T15:39:26.907" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="622" PostId="205" Score="1" Text="This strikes me as out of date in several regards. (1) Scanning through the open-problem tag suggests to me that the primary use is people knowingly asking open problems, or asking for lists of open problems in an area (2) we do not seem to be using CW in the described manner." CreationDate="2013-06-26T23:27:57.630" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="623" PostId="205" Score="0" Text="@David, I just copied it from the original. I don't know if the discussion about it should go to [the previous discussion over tea](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/8/are-open-questions-acceptable-how-should-they-be-treated) or [a new meta thread](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/ask)." CreationDate="2013-06-26T23:31:05.367" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="630" PostId="205" Score="3" Text="No criticism implied; I just thought that if we were going to record the old FAQ we should also bring it up to date." CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:20:46.393" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="640" PostId="205" Score="7" Text="I've never really agreed with this policy.  I don't see what the problem would be with people asking open problems. I guess we don't need questions about *famous* open problems that are unlikely to be solved here, but if someone asks a question and it turns out to be open, then that seems fine. I expect that open problems come in a continuum of difficulty, and I don't see why we shouldn't welcome them---perhaps some of them will get solved here." CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:59:22.007" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="643" PostId="205" Score="3" Text="Also, the first two sentences seem to be a non-sequitor, implying that nobody is working on an open problem. But of course, the expectation is that we all hope that whatever problem we are working on is open." CreationDate="2013-06-27T01:00:45.850" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="657" PostId="205" Score="6" Text="I never read this as trying to dissuade questions with no known answers, I thought it was to discourage *intentionally* difficult problems: MO is not a collection of hard math puzzles." CreationDate="2013-06-27T02:13:13.233" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1349" PostId="205" Score="0" Text="I agree with @DavidSpeyer and also expressed a similar sentiment on &quot;tea&quot; some time ago. In one form or another I think this should be rewritten. (I have no very strong feelings or extreme opinions here but I think this text in part does not match reality, and also is apparently open to interpretation) I just got reminded of this as this was added (I think almost verbatim, but with an IMO good clarfication) as the description the [tag:open-problem] tag." CreationDate="2013-07-03T21:05:50.347" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6368" PostId="205" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Some links in the [help center](http://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic) are dead. Are mods able to edit the help center? Dead links are: [Tips and tricks page](http://mathoverflow.net/tips); [this meta.MO thread](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/discussion/8/are-open-questions-acceptable-how-should-they-be-treated), [how to ask a good question ](http://mathoverflow.net/howtoask). I have mentioned this [in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/on-topic-in-help-center). I thought the best thing to do is to ping a moderator somewhere." CreationDate="2014-01-10T15:20:22.033" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26225" PostId="205" Score="0" Text="The above link to tea doesn't work at the moment. Here is a link [to the Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20161110045134/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/8/are-open-questions-acceptable-how-should-they-be-treated)." CreationDate="2021-08-01T10:05:49.320" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="631" PostId="208" Score="0" Text="It is at least linked there now, but there was an ad for English.SE; I thought we weren't going to get cross-site ads." CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:33:13.677" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="632" PostId="208" Score="0" Text="Hmm, seems inconsistent. I was looking at http://mathoverflow.net/questions/94354/essential-reads-in-the-philosophy-of-mathematics-and-set-theory" CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:35:22.497" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="638" PostId="208" Score="0" Text="And now, looking on my laptop (Firefox, Mountain Lion) instead of my phone (Opera Mini, ICS), I don't get the English.SE ad or the link to chat." CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:56:09.873" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17317" PostId="208" Score="1" Text="I'll add that there seems to be the same problem again - but most likely for completely different reasons than 5 years ago: [Chatroom links disappeared](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3611)." CreationDate="2018-09-30T07:09:16.150" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="636" PostId="211" Score="4" Text="Have you clicked 'show 50 questions' button? The number of questions is not determined by font size." CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:54:53.720" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="679" PostId="211" Score="0" Text="This is potentially the sort of thing we can tweak in a (to come later, probably) redesign of the site styling." CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:07:28.767" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="633" PostId="212" Score="0" Text="Not really.${}$" CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:46:48.810" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="634" PostId="212" Score="7" Text="@Andres: Could you be a bit more specific as to what you disagree with?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:49:21.100" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="637" PostId="212" Score="4" Text="+1 I can't see the close votes, but my guess is that both down-votes and close-votes are partly because of too many edits to the question and the tone. One of the negative aspects of voting in meta discussions is that it is hard to understand what votes really mean. Is a downvote because of disagreeing with a particular behavior or is it because of disagreeing with the suitability of the topic or is it because of disagreeing with the content?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:55:47.753" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="639" PostId="212" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh: There are currently 4 votes to close.  I don't think either reason you give would have merited closure under the older meta system.  (As Anton said the tone is somewhat &quot;grumpy&quot;, but I think it would have to be much, much worse for this to be a reason to close.)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:57:26.003" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="641" PostId="212" Score="1" Text="I agree this shouldn't be closed. Maybe we should have a meta discussion about etiquette for the new meta?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T00:59:32.457" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="642" PostId="212" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh: I agree with you that up/downvoting meta questions is a confusing enterprise at best.  The SE party line is that upvoting is meant to express agreement and downvoting is meant to express disagreement, but since at least formally (and in many cases, actually) each meta post is a *question*, this has always been logically shaky.  But it is easy to just ignore votes on meta except when they have been given an explicit meaning (&quot;upvote this if...&quot;).  Closure is a different story." CreationDate="2013-06-27T01:00:16.480" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="644" PostId="212" Score="1" Text="&quot;I suspect that people are doing this as an extension of the fact that they don't like the MO question that this meta question is about.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-27T01:01:05.247" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="645" PostId="212" Score="0" Text="@Andres: No, I really do suspect that, so you're certainly mistaken. :)  But seriously, thanks for the clarification.  $@$Kaveh: &quot;Maybe we should have a meta discussion about etiquette for the new meta?&quot; I think that would be a good idea." CreationDate="2013-06-27T01:02:09.993" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="647" PostId="212" Score="0" Text=":-)${}{}{}{}{}$" CreationDate="2013-06-27T01:09:31.373" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="665" PostId="212" Score="5" Text="I don't think keeping this open is likely to lead to a decrease in entropy, especially from what I've observed of the OP's interactions. Hence my vote to close" CreationDate="2013-06-27T03:06:03.520" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="666" PostId="212" Score="6" Text="@PeteL.Clark : I have not voted to close this question.  However, I've been sorely tempted to not because of the post to which it refers, but rather because of the obnoxious behavior of the OP (not listening to the many good answers he's gotten, arguing, sending me [and I assume the other closers of the original question] multiple argumentative emails, etc.).  If this behavior continues, then I will likely vote to close so as to put an end to things." CreationDate="2013-06-27T03:08:26.953" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="690" PostId="212" Score="0" Text="@Andy: sending multiple emails could indeed be problematic.  Without wanting to wade into the issue, I'll just mention my personal policy: if I reply to someone telling them that further emails (or further emails on a clearly defined subject) are absolutely unwanted, then I had better not get any further emails from that person on that subject.  Exactly once I had a problem with this, so I got the IT person in my department to block all further emails from that address." CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:58:41.713" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="692" PostId="212" Score="0" Text="But having excluded that, one of the main designed purposes of meta was to create an outlet for people to vent their spleens, the better for this not to occur on the main site.  The current change in meta is technical; to my knowledge, the philosophy behind it has not changed, and I for one am inclined to try to honor Anton's founding principles and push back a little against changes caused by changing site mechanics." CreationDate="2013-06-27T06:01:19.930" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="693" PostId="212" Score="2" Text="P.S.: Not to be pessimistic, but: is it clear that closing the question will &quot;put an end to things&quot;?  It isn't to me." CreationDate="2013-06-27T06:02:08.090" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="701" PostId="212" Score="1" Text="I can't help feeling that spleen-venting such as this would belong better on 'tea', because at least in one thread one doesn't get this splintering of conversation, and because the down/up vote stuff is silly IMHO in this context" CreationDate="2013-06-27T06:58:11.463" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="703" PostId="212" Score="0" Text="@Yemon: hmm, I confess I hadn't even been aware of the &quot;tea&quot; site until now.  Is there a meta thread which talk about it and clarifies the relationship between the two sites?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T07:20:28.283" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="1828" PostId="212" Score="0" Text="@PeteL.Clark I think a reason why venting spleen should be less appropriate is the huge increase in the user base of MO. It is hard enough to follow the many serious discussions on meta without additional noise caused by bad anger management." CreationDate="2013-07-13T19:06:38.550" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="5218" PostId="213" Score="0" Text="A related question: is there anywhere to request comments be edited when they make a page render badly because of LaTeX errors? E.g.: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/147016/homotopy-groups-other-than-pi-1-what-are-they-good-for" CreationDate="2013-11-05T22:37:09.083" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="652" PostId="214" Score="1" Text="Thanks, Francois." CreationDate="2013-06-27T01:59:06.723" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="713" PostId="214" Score="0" Text="Is there a reason your recent posts are CW?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T08:52:28.730" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26665" PostId="216" Score="0" Text="I'm not quite sure how to take the **Avoid generically defining the concept** advice.  Sure, every internet user knows what e-mail is, but, for most MO tags, not every internet user knows their meaning—probably, for many of them, not even every mathematician does.  So maybe they count as &quot;highly specialized&quot;.  But probably anyone who is *asking* questions about them *does* know their meaning.  So should one define or not?" CreationDate="2021-12-27T15:43:56.133" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="684" PostId="218" Score="0" Text="$p^{ * }$ test $(p^{ *})^2$" CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:25:01.077" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1213" PostId="218" Score="1" Text="It's a problem with the markdown parser, it replaces the '*s' with '&lt;i&gt;' tags. I'm looking into it" CreationDate="2013-07-01T16:09:13.957" UserId="36298" />
  <row Id="1260" PostId="219" Score="1" Text="A more versatile workaround is to use `\ast`." CreationDate="2013-07-02T13:24:56.163" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="685" PostId="220" Score="0" Text="Great. Many thanks! What would be the easiest way to report further issues? (Another answer on this thread, a comment on this answer,...?)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:35:54.687" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="686" PostId="220" Score="1" Text="Another thread would probably be best since this issue is presumed &quot;fixed&quot; - unless of course it isn't :)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:38:26.717" UserId="35286" />
  <row Id="687" PostId="220" Score="0" Text="Very well. Again, many thanks!" CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:38:58.277" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="699" PostId="220" Score="1" Text="@GeoffDalgas: is it possible regenerating the HTML from markdown caused [this tag wiki bug](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/225)?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T06:53:35.743" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1315" PostId="220" Score="1" Text="@GeoffDalgas: http://mathoverflow.net/posts/103839/revisions still seems to have had unwanted backticks." CreationDate="2013-07-03T05:13:55.720" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="688" PostId="221" Score="0" Text="Why on SciComp and not MO?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:40:35.853" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="689" PostId="221" Score="0" Text="@Manish, it is not on MO?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T05:41:11.070" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="694" PostId="221" Score="0" Text="Well, there are some problems, but the kids are enjoying it." CreationDate="2013-06-27T06:18:47.367" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="702" PostId="221" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth How does one merge their accounts?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T07:09:48.507" UserId="3901" />
  <row Id="705" PostId="221" Score="0" Text="@WillJagy: Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-06-27T07:41:40.683" UserId="3901" />
  <row Id="708" PostId="221" Score="1" Text="@SeanTilson http://mathoverflow.net/contact/user-merge" CreationDate="2013-06-27T08:34:11.263" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="745" PostId="221" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: That didn't work. I am in touch with them though." CreationDate="2013-06-27T15:27:59.950" UserId="3901" />
  <row Id="754" PostId="221" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, thanks for merging the rooms." CreationDate="2013-06-27T17:11:42.967" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9562" PostId="221" Score="1" Text="Well this turned out pretty well." CreationDate="2015-01-05T04:16:30.067" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="9563" PostId="221" Score="0" Text="@JonBeardsley, just looked at it because of your comment, seems to have plenty of activity. My next project is to get the volunteers at the Berkeley city animal shelter to start a question/answer feature on their Facebook page on, for instance, the various tricky aspects of walking and training dogs." CreationDate="2015-01-05T04:22:47.133" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="756" PostId="222" Score="1" Text="Is street cred hyphenated?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T17:12:24.297" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="757" PostId="222" Score="3" Text="@Will: In Jon's answer yes; in your comment no." CreationDate="2013-06-27T17:31:00.497" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="758" PostId="222" Score="1" Text="@Asaf, that's some kind of Zen thing, right? Maybe Kaballah? Meanwhile, it shows people have Choice." CreationDate="2013-06-27T17:37:03.830" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="760" PostId="222" Score="5" Text="@Will: I don't know about that, but it beats grading homework." CreationDate="2013-06-27T17:57:12.357" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="764" PostId="222" Score="0" Text="So does chatting." CreationDate="2013-06-27T18:28:09.860" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="780" PostId="222" Score="0" Text="Jon, grading homework beats chatting about homotopy! ;-)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:34:41.440" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="781" PostId="222" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila, you must be crazy. lol" CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:38:25.237" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="795" PostId="222" Score="3" Text="Well, I am a set theorist that work without the axiom of choice..." CreationDate="2013-06-27T22:02:06.890" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="805" PostId="222" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila okay then. That settles it.  By the way, I'm a homotopy theorist, and I sort of have to use the Axiom of Choice, but I don't really believe in it." CreationDate="2013-06-27T23:46:23.463" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="806" PostId="222" Score="2" Text="Platonists always baffled me. For that matter, any sort of theism (even mathematical one) confuses me. What does belief have to do with anything? :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T23:52:38.343" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="786" PostId="223" Score="4" Text="Not entirely necessary. There's a reopen queue now. A closed post can be put into the reopen queue by editing or voting to reopen. 3k+ users can vote to reopen (or alternatively vote against it). If this mechanism fails, _then_ one can open a separate meta post about the question. I find that this is a more efficient process :)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:10:10.693" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="797" PostId="223" Score="5" Text="@Manishearth: Not everyone has access to the queue history, so not everyone can tell when a thread has been &quot;outlived its review&quot; and it is time to come to meta. In the long run, I think it's better to have one post for &quot;run of the mill reopen votes&quot; rather than having more and more separated questions whose answers would consist mostly of &quot;Done.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-27T22:06:22.923" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="799" PostId="223" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Yeah, I see your point -- but &quot;outlived its review&quot; can just mean &quot;wait a day&quot;, regardless of its queue status. So, if a reopen vote or edit doesn't push it out of the queue in a day, then come to meta (and post on this post, or separately -- IMO separate meta posts lead to better discussion, but that's just me).  But if you take a look at the MSE post: Most of the recent ones are either obvious nos (closed post) user whinging about closed post, or obvious yes's (Awesome edit improved post)." CreationDate="2013-06-27T22:31:15.277" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="800" PostId="223" Score="2" Text="These can be dealt with fairly within the review queue itself; giving an explicit platform on meta for people to whinge or where people feel obliged to post obvious reopens is imo unnecessary. Again, I don't know much about MO or MSE, so I could be grossly wrong here :). Just giving an outsider's viewpoint." CreationDate="2013-06-27T22:32:04.610" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="851" PostId="223" Score="2" Text="I agree with Manishearth: with the new &quot;on-hold&quot; -&gt; edit -&gt; add to re-open review queue mechanism, threads like this should be much less necessary." CreationDate="2013-06-28T09:21:23.600" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="905" PostId="223" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Btw, [this](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/260/i-am-puzzled-by-the-close-votes) is why doing it separately is imo better, you get a lot more feedback and discussion." CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:59:53.237" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1344" PostId="223" Score="4" Text="I dont want to interfere here with anything but I disagree with Manishearth about the usefulness of this Request to Reopen List. At Math SE I have observed that it works very well and efficiently to get questions reopend without making much fuzz about it. At Physics SE, we controversely discuss each question that somebody thinks should get reopend at meta seperately at length with the effect that people just discuss instead of just doing it, and almost nothing gets reopend at the end." CreationDate="2013-07-03T17:44:12.340" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="1345" PostId="223" Score="5" Text="Reopening questions the way people at Math SE do, has in my opinion the additional advantage that people who have less than 3000 rep and therefore not yeat access to the Reopen queue can take part in the reopen process by upvoting the answers of this post, which makes reopening of questions that deserve it more efficient." CreationDate="2013-07-03T17:54:20.250" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="791" PostId="229" Score="1" Text="The three options are certainly not tailored to MO's needs. However, since MO posts have lasting documentary value, I think similarly minded post notices could be very handy on MO." CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:36:14.713" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="704" PostId="230" Score="1" Text="Thanks! Form submitted." CreationDate="2013-06-27T07:40:46.133" UserId="3901" />
  <row Id="843" PostId="230" Score="0" Text="Thanks for everything!" CreationDate="2013-06-28T05:54:56.853" UserId="3901" />
  <row Id="717" PostId="231" Score="1" Text="Failing that, one could use a K instead of a k." CreationDate="2013-06-27T09:29:06.653" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="719" PostId="231" Score="0" Text="K would help, or may be &quot;KVIEWS&quot; if Huge &quot;2k&quot; is impossible. Two other ideas, if possible: leave the full number 2000 or change the color into something that even my coarse eye would easily distinguish from the grey. Thank you for your attention to this problem, I know this is a detail but often I look into a question only because it has attracted many views and these prove to be more interesting than the average one." CreationDate="2013-06-27T09:42:22.500" UserId="16678" />
  <row Id="721" PostId="232" Score="1" Text="I _believe_ this is because you're seeing votes on deleted posts in your profile, which is not even considered on the other page. I'm pretty sure that's it but I'll confirm just to be sure." CreationDate="2013-06-27T11:08:57.363" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="743" PostId="232" Score="0" Text="Thanks for looking into it.  My initial impression is that 4204 is a surprisingly large number of deleted posts." CreationDate="2013-06-27T14:42:15.550" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="789" PostId="232" Score="1" Text="@TimPost The summary page of the profile doesn't show deleted votes but does include votes cast on deleted posts. The Voters tab should basically show you the same thing. It is, however, cached. The thing that's puzzling me here is why we don't get an up-to-date value since the site basically just went up. Maybe it has something to do with the pre-migration test instance. Either way, I'd wait a few days to see if the value updates." CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:26:41.087" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="720" PostId="233" Score="7" Text="Thank you for the link. I know my eyes are not that good with colors, this doesn't stand out to me." CreationDate="2013-06-27T10:08:46.677" UserId="16678" />
  <row Id="723" PostId="233" Score="0" Text="Maybe it is my mild colorblindness, but I can't see ANY difference in color between the five images you posted." CreationDate="2013-06-27T12:54:04.387" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="724" PostId="233" Score="0" Text="@TomChurch Hmm, oh well. All I can say is that questions with kviews pop out like a sore thumb on most SE sites including MO. But I agree that it should be changed for the better." CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:04:26.790" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="727" PostId="233" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth This is probably due to the default settup of the SE software. Justifying from what you wrote here, you know a lot more about SE than I do. May be you would know whom to suggest to fix this &quot;sore thumb&quot; once and for all?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:37:24.780" UserId="16678" />
  <row Id="728" PostId="233" Score="0" Text="@AdamPrzezdziecki Jin Yang (Usually Jin, jzy on your meta). He looks out for questions tagged [design] network-wide, so this will probably get some attention. As it is, (IIRC) Jin's going to be working on your site soon -- at least for the chat theme and maybe for all the other design issues." CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:39:46.440" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="729" PostId="233" Score="0" Text="@AdamPrzezdziecki To be clear, no need to ping anyone. Jin will see this sooner or later." CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:45:07.120" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="755" PostId="233" Score="0" Text="If I look very carefully, I can detect a slight difference in color between the &quot;2 kviews&quot; (a sort of rusty gray) and the other four examples (just plain gray), but the difference is certainly not easily noticeable if I'm not specifically looking for it." CreationDate="2013-06-27T17:12:00.487" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="731" PostId="234" Score="5" Text="You can't close a question as a dupe of another that has no upvoted or accepted answer unless you are a mod. In such cases, flag asking for a moderator to close or delete." CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:50:52.597" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="751" PostId="235" Score="1" Text="Bill, you can bookmark the following link: http://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=newest&amp;q=closed%3ayes" CreationDate="2013-06-27T15:57:02.650" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="759" PostId="235" Score="0" Text="Yes, that looks like the best way.  Thanks, Kaveh." CreationDate="2013-06-27T17:55:58.087" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="770" PostId="235" Score="0" Text="@BillJohnson (off-topic) if you find yourself about to delete a closed question which is by that pseudonymous ultrapower person, could you please let me know, e.g. by email? (Feel free to email me if you want more information on my motives.)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:16:34.563" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="782" PostId="235" Score="0" Text="Sure, Yemon; will do." CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:45:13.790" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="730" PostId="236" Score="0" Text="&quot;Interesting&quot; is a subjective matter, while you can have a close reason &quot;Not about research level mathematics&quot;, this is a bit more confusing and won't help much imo." CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:49:46.390" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="738" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="Thanks, but why is it so complicated? Why is there no link to the search page?  It is not very intuitive to click on a blank box to get to it.  Finally, the language that the Advanced Search Tips are written in is for me more difficult than Latin and only slightly easier than Greek." CreationDate="2013-06-27T14:23:13.290" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="739" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="@BillJohnson see edit. Also, this is something you rarely need to do." CreationDate="2013-06-27T14:27:40.173" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="740" PostId="237" Score="1" Text="On the contrary, I need to do it almost every day." CreationDate="2013-06-27T14:29:59.450" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="741" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="@BillJohnson Care to specify why? (do so in your question itself, makes it more prominent)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T14:36:29.697" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="753" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="Manishearth: I also do it every day, I guess, for the same reason I regularly take out trash in my house,  etc." CreationDate="2013-06-27T17:08:14.013" UserId="21684" />
  <row Id="763" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="@Misha Hmm? But these are recently _closed_ questions (or are you looking for questions that may need improvement and reopening?). Not questions yet-to-be-closed." CreationDate="2013-06-27T18:19:14.093" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="765" PostId="237" Score="2" Text="@Manishearth: These are potentially questions to be deleted (because of extremely low quality). Leaving these on the site pollutes MO." CreationDate="2013-06-27T18:31:54.100" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="766" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="@MarkSapir Oh, downvoted closed questions get autodeleted in 9 days now. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T18:40:32.793" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="767" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="@Mark See http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/177675/178438" CreationDate="2013-06-27T18:43:22.583" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="768" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="@Misha see above comment, closed,downvoted, unanswered posts get autodeleted." CreationDate="2013-06-27T18:44:52.637" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="772" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="Getting autodeletion is an improvement." CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:23:46.400" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="779" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: Good to know, such autodeletion is a new thing comparing to the old MO." CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:20:46.107" UserId="21684" />
  <row Id="788" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="&quot;No accepted answer&quot; as grounds for autodelete? This is prone to abuse..." CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:25:05.813" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="793" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="@darijgrinberg Meh, the ones who post closed questions won't know the intricacies. And remember that _most_ really-bad-should-be-deleted posts don't get answers at all. You can still go through the list of closes, just that you don't need to do it every day." CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:48:33.680" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="746" PostId="238" Score="0" Text="Can you provide me with links to a few examples of this?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T15:38:58.693" UserId="35286" />
  <row Id="748" PostId="238" Score="0" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/133168/generalized-basis/133175#133175 (you see the \left\\{ does no longer work)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T15:46:08.170" UserId="33842" />
  <row Id="749" PostId="238" Score="0" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/130712/equivalence-and-weak-equivalence-of-groupoids (the large formula on the top is broken)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T15:47:12.563" UserId="33842" />
  <row Id="783" PostId="238" Score="0" Text="@GeoffDalgas since you were not notified by OP I thought I do so, not sure of this is useful. In any case, I agree this is an important matter as the formulas are so broken that they even get difficult to understand in several cases." CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:48:26.123" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="823" PostId="240" Score="1" Text="My opinion is that we should wait and see whether Scott's feature request is approved, and skip until then. If yes- immediately approve (any improvement is an improvement, like wikipedia). If not, keep skipping, or place in a separate queue until a bundle of 200 can be approved at once, which minimizes noise." CreationDate="2013-06-28T01:06:54.607" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="824" PostId="240" Score="1" Text="@DanielMoskovich: to build up a huge waiting list does not strike my like a good idea. Also, for this to be feasible, everybody would have to skip. I rather think if one has some hope that the minor edit feature be introduced, then one should primarily discourage such edits being done *now*. (But I also approved one pure format edit as there was something quite broken and it seems worth it to have this corrected quickly.)" CreationDate="2013-06-28T01:15:23.120" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="769" PostId="241" Score="0" Text="I posted this on Giggle+ with a jpeg of the chat room," CreationDate="2013-06-27T18:54:35.653" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="796" PostId="241" Score="2" Text="@Will: Teehee??" CreationDate="2013-06-27T22:04:27.070" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="801" PostId="241" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, well the repeat root canal went well, best available outcome, I'm still annoyed at having to go through it, and pay for it. That's life." CreationDate="2013-06-27T23:28:26.940" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="802" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="I am not sure, but IIRC there cannot be more than 3 migration paths. It would be better to post these separately so it is easier to evaluate the amount of support each of them has." CreationDate="2013-06-27T23:30:55.503" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="804" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: in Anna Lear's  answer it is said they would be happy to set up up to 4 defaults. So 4 seems like the minimum that is possible (and the formulation does not even suggest this is some strict upper-limit), which is why I suggested three in addition to the existing one. By post separately, do you mean I should post an answer for each so that people can vote on them individually? I am not sure this is necessary, but of course if somebody wants to do a poll they can go ahead." CreationDate="2013-06-27T23:40:43.057" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="813" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="hmmm, I think she meant 4 as the maximum possible. On other sites [SO] takes one of those slots, I guess that is why I thought max is 3." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:37:03.700" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="814" PostId="244" Score="4" Text="@quid Four is the upper limit. Four other sites + the site's own meta (that is a migration path always available on every site). The minimum is zero." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:37:04.587" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="816" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@AdamLear: thank you for this clarification. This is not very much 4, but well. If 4 is really the maximum, perhaps let us keep one spare for the time when Academia will be mature and in the mean time we could have at least tex.SE in addition to math.SE (and perhaps Mathematica, or also something else). But, I think, really TeX is the most unproblematic one. If you want to give us an easy one, that is still useful, to practise, I think TeX is really the way to go." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:43:01.850" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="874" PostId="244" Score="1" Text="I don't think more than 4 is even remotely necessary since mods can always migrate anywhere else for the very rare exceptions." CreationDate="2013-06-28T14:06:13.263" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="895" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: of course it is not necessary, until recently we did just fine for years without any migration path after all. But I think this is the wrong question to ask if it is necessary. Whether it is desirable or what vould even be reason against it seems more pertinent to me. But let us not discuss the number, as you see I suggested 4 and then reduced to basically just one in addition (tex) with the option of adding Academia later. Do *you* see a reason for having migration open to tex.SE? By contrast, I could see reasons why for stats.SE there could be reasons..." CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:30:39.923" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="896" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais ...to wait since there might be things to be discussed (on MO) and perhaps with the other site. But for tex.SE? And, I think to look at sheer numbers and to conclude this is not so frequent moderators can handle this. Time is a critical factor here. The faster the better. You (the moderators) will always remain able to migrate but to have an additional means for doing it seems like an improvement. (This is really not to complain, but it happened mod-flags are dealt with with significant delay only.)" CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:37:34.627" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="899" PostId="244" Score="2" Text="That was less precise than I wanted. Is it necessary to have a migration path to tex.se that does not require moderator intervention? I don't think so since I can't imagine we would suddenly get more than one tex.se every few months. At that rate, mods can do it manually upon request." CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:40:34.233" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="901" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Finally, as a general addition. I am not for all kinds of paths, for example IMO Andres Caicedo's suggestion is a bit exagerated (and in the end unhelpful but perhaps it was only meant in a playful way). Specifically, I did not suggest TCS for example, for reasons close to the ones you explained some while ago on the metas. (And I assume you had not seen my second comment, regarding why the number of times this happens is nto so relevant. Also I asked if there is a reason against it if there is none why not have it, it is not as it costs a lot to open that path [I assume].)" CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:41:53.083" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="917" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@quid, one issue with migration is that when a question is migrated it is closed and *cannot* be reopened anymore by users. This causes issues since other users might disagree with some migrations performed by other users, i.e. migration can be abused to permanently get rid of a question a few people just don't like. In addition migration needs agreement from both sites, migrating unsuitable questions would be annoying for the target site users. And there are a number of other issues. I think [tex.se] is probably fine but for other sites the issue is more delicate IMO." CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:06:46.573" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="921" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@quid, there are good reasons why migration to an arbitrary site is restricted to moderators. I think the main point of user migration is to reduce the work load for moderators and that makes sense only when the site gets a large enough number of questions requiring migration to a particular site and opening the migration path is not going to create more trouble than it is trying to solve." CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:16:11.163" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="922" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: I agree there could be problems if there are migration path open that could lead to controvesy (see my comments related to stats and the potential for controversy also see my slight unhappiness about Andres Caicedo's comment since such things precisley reinforce this worry). But as said for TeX it should be fine. I do however not agree that community moderation is only to reduce the load. It is also for getting things done all the time and as quickly as possible. Uncontroversial closures can happen within minutes on the site, and for clear migrations this should be the same..." CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:27:07.943" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="923" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: ...and for migrations this seems particularly relevant. How does this work: we tell OP they need to wait until their question will be migrated, noone can tell precisely when (with votes one at least has a &quot;progress bar&quot;). So, they should wait, and also nobody should better answer because migrating answered questions seems still worse for the receiving site IMO. Or, of course they could just copy paste the post over to the other site, but they should not because...some general consideration about cross-posting. Let us better focus on the interests of the people asking the questions." CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:31:34.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="985" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@quid, I generally agree, however I think for the particular task of migration and with issues experienced over the network regarding migration, user migration paths are opened with the *main* goal of reducing flags that moderators need to deal with. In other words, AFAIU, there needs to be large enough posts needing migrations to another site to justify opening of a migration path. ps: on cstheory users don't wait for migration and vote to close off-topic posts, a moderator can reopen the question and migrate it if needed, and as long as there are not many such cases this works fine." CreationDate="2013-06-29T04:48:06.797" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="986" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@quid, the issues that bad migration cause is for users, e.g. would users on MO be happy if there was a user migration path from [SO] to here? I don't think so. Or if questions that some MO users think are fine here but a few high reputation users think are more suitable for say [math.se] or [academia.se] are migrated there would these users be happy? And these are just two examples. Considering the disagreements over tea about even suggesting some question are more suitable for [math.se] it is possible that even migration to [math.se] would cause some friction." CreationDate="2013-06-29T04:54:12.040" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="987" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@quid, and add to these the fact that MO has relatively very high frequency of reopenings/reclosings of closed questions." CreationDate="2013-06-29T04:59:16.093" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="998" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: the procedure vote to close as off-topic, mention the idea of migration, and flag for mods to do it seems somewhat workable, although it still feels inconvenient. And, in the end there are not that many closures either on MO (I think maybe ten on average, rather less, at least excluding spam that gets flag-deleted but is also rare; I am not sure where I could look this up here, but from deletetion-activity on the old site I believe to know this quite well as I saw all closed days-wise). In that sense we could also do away the spam-flags, it is rare, the question becomes..." CreationDate="2013-06-29T12:26:30.567" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="999" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: ...*locked* needing a mod to undo, and even invisible for most users. So would you propse this? And, then, yes I agree (and said all along) that migrations could lead to controversy like closure, and the fact that it involves another site rather makes it more problematic also that it can not be easily undone. But that being said and as you acknowledge I think also migrations to math.SE have the potential of being problematic, and this path is open. The latest conflicts on MO about open/close rather concerned questions that would if anything be migrated to math.SE not say academia..." CreationDate="2013-06-29T12:32:30.563" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1000" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh ...by contrast, since the existence of tex.SE, I think the handling of tex questions caused little if any at all conflict. (Before that it was leave it here as there is no other place, yes/no with differing oppinions). Now, it seems rather agreed upon that tex.SE is better and that's that. And, actually, I think there is a somehow similar concensus emerging regarding academia.SE, many a question of this type draws instantly a comment (also by non-high-rep users!) that academia.SE would be a better fit and various question were quasi-migrated to there. And now this should even cause.." CreationDate="2013-06-29T12:38:02.527" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1001" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh ...less conflict as it is easier to follow the question there. But let us ignore academia.SE for the moment. And return to my actual suggestions: which is **tex.SE** and perhaps **mathematica.SE** do you see *more* potential for conflicts arising from migrations of these questions than for **math.SE**? This seems difficult to imagine for me. So, I would say either let us close the math.SE path too if this is such a source of problems (and this one actually could be one) or also open at least tex.SE which seem unproblematic as anything." CreationDate="2013-06-29T12:43:17.347" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1002" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh And for your question whether I would be happy if SO could migrate here: no I would be against this and strictly so. As I explained on the board now called tea the point here is that almost all questions somebody might consider migrating from there to some math site are not only not a good fit for MO but likely a better fit for existing sites, not only math.SE, but also scicomp.SE, stats.SE, or maybe the general CS or perhaps TCS but also this last should be rare. Please, also note that I specifically did not suggest a path to TCS.SE but could imagine one to the/a general CS site..." CreationDate="2013-06-29T12:46:50.363" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1003" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh ...the reason being that I do not think the community's judgement will be precise enough, and this would rather cause annoyance on the site. But this is *not* so for tex.SE; now, the tex question we get here sometimes might not be good questions, and will often be duplicates (but also a vtc as dup answers) as Andrew Stacey explained in a deleted answer (while saying the should still be migrated ), but still they are questions that abstractly belong to tex.SE not MO, same for mathematica.SE, and the community seems well able to recognize if a question is about some flavor of tex or not." CreationDate="2013-06-29T12:49:09.437" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1004" PostId="244" Score="1" Text="To sum all this up in general: *if* we can habe a path to math.SE, which we do, I see really no reason not to have one to tex.SE and perhaps mathematica.SE which is what *I* suggested. General concerns about potential conflicts might be better adressed to for example Andres Caicedo, suggesting all kind of things, not me." CreationDate="2013-06-29T12:53:34.207" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3432" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh (and quid) I am reading this discussion only now, and I find it difficult to follow your argument on why it is a bad thing to have multiple migration paths open to non-moderators. Could you please expand on it or link me to the relevant discussion?" CreationDate="2013-09-02T17:22:51.043" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="3441" PostId="244" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni I was rather in favor of having path open so I am not that well placed to reply. But, some problems: a) people not &quot;understanding&quot; the sites to which they migrate, actually migrating question someplace where they are off-topic, too. Of course this could be avoided if people just did not do that but well. b) migrating being used in as a &quot;weapon&quot; in open/close off/on topic &quot;fights&quot;. The way some people suggested target sites to me suggestsed this was prevalent. It was more like &quot;let us get rid of some 'nonsense' from MO&quot; than &quot;let's try to find a good place for some question&quot;" CreationDate="2013-09-03T13:57:55.627" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3443" PostId="244" Score="2" Text="c) if there are too many possibilities it'd get tricky to find a consensus about the right site. Do we really want to decide here if a question is better for cs or tcs? This could be tricky. Alos, since that disucssion it came up that some people do not like this migration idea at all (and some of them vote to close a lot). So community-driven migration seems still more tricky to achieve if some do not participate in it (to be clear, I do not want to criticize those, but just point out the consequence). In any case, I think just path for the most frequent and rest via flags to mods is good." CreationDate="2013-09-03T14:01:55.707" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3444" PostId="244" Score="1" Text="That being said, I agree scicomp is a very natural idea; I just did not discuss it as I knew it was impossible it being in beta." CreationDate="2013-09-03T14:03:09.447" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3460" PostId="244" Score="0" Text="@Federico, quid explained some of them. The short answer is essentially for the same reasons we don't want user migration paths from [SO] and [Math.SE] to MO." CreationDate="2013-09-04T05:20:36.197" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="808" PostId="245" Score="1" Text="You can also notify editors, and any _moderators_ who voted to close." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:22:33.793" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="809" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="My point about &quot;doesn't matter&quot; was that as long as you have a healthy meta community, a good consensus can be reached without the need of the original closevoters (and in my experience at least one closevoter turns up on meta to explain). Regardless of the outcome of the meta post, if enough community members have both discussed _and_  voted for it, this carries much more weight than 5 close votes." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:25:31.930" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="810" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: thank you for the information, I did not know one can notify editors. However, how does this work? I just tried to notify François G. Dorais who edited http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/238/double-backslashes there but contrary to the usual notifications there appeared no suggestion when I started to type his name. If one can notify moderators that voted to close, this seems additional reason to also allow this for normal users." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:32:47.913" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="812" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: On the other matter, in my experience it can be helpful to get first hand information on motivation. It could also be useful to have the possibility to ask briefly for a reason without going through the process of creating a meta thread." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:36:44.603" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="817" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="IIRC, there used to be @all but they removed it long time ago because of misuse: it was creating too many notifications." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:43:31.307" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="818" PostId="245" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh: perhaps this is unclear in my suggestion, I did not mean everybody at once, but that it should be possible to notify each of them." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:46:35.680" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="819" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="Btw, discussion of a closing on MO1.0 also worked by someone posting a comment under the question linking to the meta discussion, or was there a notification system? Put another way, is there something that prevents the practice of MO1.0 on MO2.0?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:48:58.697" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="820" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: no there was no notification system, as I *explicitly* mention in my answer." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:53:20.727" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="821" PostId="245" Score="1" Text="@Manishearth: I found on meta.SO the information that it is to be expected that while editors can be notifed there is no name suggestion, so it is clear to me now. I will modifiy my answer." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:54:47.560" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="822" PostId="245" Score="1" Text="@quid, sorry, I read your answer but didn't notice it. I guess I am too tired right now to be able to read carefully." CreationDate="2013-06-28T00:54:53.743" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="842" PostId="246" Score="8" Text="I think you only get that nessage if there are just two people trading comments. That is, if 20 or 30 people leave a couple of comments each, I don't think the message gets launched." CreationDate="2013-06-28T05:29:02.030" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="826" PostId="248" Score="0" Text="Not sure if it's the same problem but something happened to backslashes in Tom Goodwillie's answer here - http://mathoverflow.net/a/29570/2000" CreationDate="2013-06-28T02:18:27.740" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="830" PostId="248" Score="0" Text="I have compared Toms answer post pre / post migrations and can confirm that this post was not impacted by the migration." CreationDate="2013-06-28T02:44:23.423" UserId="35286" />
  <row Id="832" PostId="248" Score="0" Text="This is odd. Do you mean the weird double backslashes were there all along but didn't show previously?  I think I would have fixed the weird double backslashes if it had been there when he originally answered my question." CreationDate="2013-06-28T02:52:44.040" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="833" PostId="248" Score="1" Text="I specifically targeted \\{ and \\} in the last batch of updates.  This means must mean there are more cases where \\ was used." CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:01:24.480" UserId="35286" />
  <row Id="835" PostId="248" Score="0" Text="But this one is rather odd. There was no need for double backslash there in 1.0 and it is a very noticeable error. So, I gather from your comparison, that the double backslash was there prior to migration but, for some very strange reason, wasn't visible then?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:04:38.140" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="836" PostId="248" Score="1" Text="Yes, exactly - double backslashes were hidden from view in SE 1.0." CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:06:08.123" UserId="35286" />
  <row Id="837" PostId="248" Score="0" Text="Wouldn't a double backslash followed by letters show up as a single backslash followed by letters in 1.0?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:13:26.120" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="838" PostId="248" Score="0" Text="The spurious backslash is not in this archived version - http://web.archive.org/web/20130606041618/http://mathoverflow.net/questions/29169/subposets-of-small-dushnik-miller-dimension" CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:19:06.990" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="840" PostId="248" Score="0" Text="Here is a query directly from the old SE 1.0 database:  http://i.stack.imgur.com/xcw97.png  I can't tell you why these backslashes didn't show up in the past due to the age of the SE 1.0 codebase and the many bugfixes that have been made since.  I would however like to know if this is a sign of a larger issue." CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:35:56.587" UserId="35286" />
  <row Id="861" PostId="248" Score="5" Text="@François: I don’t think there is anything strange going on. The double backslash would be rendered as a single backslash by markdown, and then mathjax would interpret the resulting \sqrt in the expected way. In other words, \sqrt and \\sqrt were functionally equivalent in 1.0. The double backslash was not *needed* in this place, but it might have been just a typo which went unnoticed because it worked." CreationDate="2013-06-28T10:45:54.863" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="863" PostId="248" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: Ah! Right, that makes sense. Hopefully there are not too many such typos since these would be tricky to distinguish from the rest." CreationDate="2013-06-28T11:58:52.277" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="864" PostId="248" Score="3" Text="I can’t imagine a legitimate use of a line break in an equation, it’s a safe bet that any \\ that does not appear in an environment like matrix, align, gather, cases, or in a \substack, should be simplified to \." CreationDate="2013-06-28T12:12:39.113" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="885" PostId="248" Score="2" Text="And as pointed out in http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/263, \\\ and \\\\ should be simplified to \\." CreationDate="2013-06-28T15:22:32.920" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="3532" PostId="248" Score="0" Text="@Geoff, there's a lot of ruckus with people manually fixing double-backslashes since chrome disabled mathml. Is it possible to change all `\\.` to `\.` (`.` is any character) in math mode? I think that will introduce fewer errors than there are now." CreationDate="2013-09-07T11:49:47.117" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="831" PostId="250" Score="1" Text="Yes, it it seems to be fine now.  Thanks a lot!" CreationDate="2013-06-28T02:47:07.950" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="839" PostId="251" Score="0" Text="(David, Cross Validated is the statistics site, it is mentioned by Asaf.) Also, [this](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/141/what-outgoing-migration-paths-should-we-have/142#comment828_142)." CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:24:38.307" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="841" PostId="251" Score="0" Text="Andres - yes, but I thought it good to record question(s) which need said migration" CreationDate="2013-06-28T04:10:41.417" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="855" PostId="251" Score="1" Text="+1 for giving an example. It strikes me as unfortunate that we still need to close questions and have people cross-post them manually while now it *could* be so much easier for everybody." CreationDate="2013-06-28T10:05:54.307" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="858" PostId="255" Score="2" Text="I think the point, about which I was not sure myself but thought it was like this, that there is a *dedicated* room for *each* of these discussions AFAIK also with a link from the question is really a big point in favor of trying this. It would not be at all like one then is in a crowded general room where the specific discussion gets lost in the noise. I am not yet familiar with this chat, but as it seems completely integrated with the site (no IRC client or anything needed) this seem really just like continuing the comment discussion in an evironment better suited for it, so a good idea." CreationDate="2013-06-28T10:25:44.687" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="859" PostId="255" Score="3" Text="@quid Completely integrated. Logging in _can_ be a pain though (for most people, chat auto-logs you in in a few seconds after opening the page, but if you're behind an aggressive university proxy then it is possible that logging in will take a longer route. Not probable though)." CreationDate="2013-06-28T10:28:34.207" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="862" PostId="255" Score="19" Text="I always found that the role of comments is to make humorous remarks without being downvoted... ;-)" CreationDate="2013-06-28T11:14:52.343" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="957" PostId="255" Score="1" Text="@Asaf, careful --- comments can't be downvoted, but they can be flagged." CreationDate="2013-06-28T23:44:56.270" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="931" PostId="256" Score="0" Text="Last night it would not let me post a jpeg of Pascal's Triangle on an MSE question, but it worked fine this morning." CreationDate="2013-06-28T19:43:12.663" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="865" PostId="257" Score="4" Text="It is already implemented and is done automatically. Once in a minute may be." CreationDate="2013-06-28T12:43:30.580" UserId="14551" />
  <row Id="902" PostId="257" Score="1" Text="@Andrew How do you get back to it when you want to complete the text some other day?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:44:28.987" UserId="16678" />
  <row Id="912" PostId="257" Score="0" Text="I think there are Firefox and Chrome plugins that can accomplish this for you." CreationDate="2013-06-28T17:55:14.840" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="929" PostId="257" Score="4" Text="@AdamPrzezdziecki going to the same question after logging in. Then writing an answer after some time words appears &quot;draft saved&quot;." CreationDate="2013-06-28T19:15:03.153" UserId="14551" />
  <row Id="933" PostId="257" Score="0" Text="@Andrew Great - this works. Thank you for explaining, this is exactly what I wanted." CreationDate="2013-06-28T20:40:54.930" UserId="16678" />
  <row Id="866" PostId="258" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Geoff! $\mbox{}$" CreationDate="2013-06-28T12:44:05.757" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="867" PostId="259" Score="1" Text="There is a discussion at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1622 . I guess I should have started it here rather than there, I’m not sure what is the intended topic separation between meta, tea, and chat." CreationDate="2013-06-28T13:09:24.043" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="871" PostId="259" Score="3" Text="Note that you cannot award a bounty to yourself. If nothing else happens, the bounty points will simply be wasted, which is (per the tea discussion) F.J.’s intention: to dump her reputation. The bounties to Porton’s questions used a more elaborate scheme with the same purpose (set up a bounty, create a new account, post an answer to the question from the new account, award it the bounty, delete the account and the answer)." CreationDate="2013-06-28T13:47:26.933" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="880" PostId="259" Score="1" Text="Why don't you ask her via email why she posted a bounty on your questions?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T14:33:04.990" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="903" PostId="259" Score="0" Text="@BillJohnson, I don't actually know who she is, and her email address is not listed on her profile. I only know it's a she because her previous user name was Rebecca something (as can be seen from the comments on my linked question). Emil, I didn't realize there were three different places for meta style question. Any chance they'll be merged at some point?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:45:17.370" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="906" PostId="259" Score="0" Text="@DavidWhite I would not assign much relevance to the user name at that time (indeed Scott Morrison's contribution on 'tea' rather suggests you are wrong); from the top of my head I could give you more than five names that person used as display name. (This is not meant negatively against the user, to the contrary this is one of my favorite MO colleagues; knowing nothing about them though just from their presence here.) [I might latter say something more on this subject.]" CreationDate="2013-06-28T17:21:50.800" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="13869" PostId="259" Score="0" Text="Maybe I'm somehow naive here, but I though the answerer thinks there is still room for an improvement, and she wishes to see other points of view. Putting a bounty seems a perfectly fair way to do mantein the attention on a topic (that's bounty are made for). Btw, it is not uncommon that a question that raised wide attention (high score and dozens of comments),  immediately loses any interest as soon as it receives a complete answer. People tend to like more questions than answers..." CreationDate="2017-01-15T09:10:25.083" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="898" PostId="262" Score="0" Text="This is roughly what I am doing now - I save drafts in a text file on my GoogleDrive. It is not a big work, but still it would be more convenient to just click &quot;save as draft&quot; whenever I realize that I have no more time today or I run out of invention." CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:40:14.703" UserId="16678" />
  <row Id="900" PostId="262" Score="1" Text="I generally disagree with the idea that the site should save your drafts for you. Perhaps increase from one to three-four drafts and allow you to &quot;manage them&quot; in your profile, but it sounds like something which is essentially outside the scope of the software." CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:41:51.487" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="936" PostId="262" Score="1" Text="I see - I misunderstood your words &gt;&gt;You can &quot;save&quot; one draft answer at a time&lt;&lt;. Now, after Andrew has explained it above the present functionality, as it is, is exactly what I wanted." CreationDate="2013-06-28T20:46:45.720" UserId="16678" />
  <row Id="937" PostId="262" Score="0" Text="Adam, that's good." CreationDate="2013-06-28T20:48:43.460" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="884" PostId="263" Score="2" Text="Well, the symptoms manifest differently, but otherwise it seems to me this is exactly the same problem as in http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/238/double-backslashes ." CreationDate="2013-06-28T15:21:29.387" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="886" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="@Emil: after reading the *whole* thread this looks indeed so... thanks for your comment" CreationDate="2013-06-28T15:24:12.257" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="2096" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="And indeed, this belongs on meta. Voting to migrate..." CreationDate="2013-07-19T10:59:14.553" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2097" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="This question should be migrated to meta.mathoverflow.net. " CreationDate="2013-07-19T11:00:42.607" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="883" PostId="264" Score="2" Text="It's not about MSE profile, it's a global SE profile. I think they are working on that..." CreationDate="2013-06-28T15:16:28.540" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="890" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="This http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/72/math-overflow-not-available-as-a-chat-parent-user might be relaated and what @AsafKaragila had in mind." CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:07:09.450" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="891" PostId="264" Score="3" Text="We're working on it, it [is a network thing](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/58/why-are-mo-accounts-not-listed-among-other-se-accounts) that I hope we can have resolved quite soon, but I don't have a definite ETA (yet) - I will update various questions here when I do. Please 'pardon the dust' for just a bit longer - sorry for the confusion." CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:13:08.990" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="893" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@quid: Are you a made out of wood?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:14:41.560" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="904" PostId="264" Score="1" Text="In the meantime, ping me if anyone needs a chat profile, I was already able to create on for an MO mod a while ago." CreationDate="2013-06-28T16:48:54.830" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="913" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth thanks! I think http://mathoverflow.net/users/16682/jim-stasheff was trying to join the chat room." CreationDate="2013-06-28T17:57:19.910" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="914" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@JonBeardsley Ah, he has a chat profile but no chat rep. I can give him explicit access to a room, which room do you need?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T17:59:37.327" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="915" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="he just wanted access to the homotopy theory chat." CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:02:54.103" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="916" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="thanks so much for your help.  I'm not minding the &quot;dust&quot; just wanted to see if I could help Jim out" CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:03:37.710" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="919" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@JonBeardsley Done, he should be able to talk there now" CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:10:32.240" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="920" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="Note that everyone still has to log in for chat" CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:11:03.697" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="930" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="Jon, sent you email" CreationDate="2013-06-28T19:40:10.383" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="924" PostId="265" Score="2" Text="&quot;not actually conveying their actual purpose&quot; in my opinion it was completely clear if one paid some attention to the details and the general history of the account." CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:35:57.560" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="925" PostId="267" Score="0" Text="Suppose there is an answer other than FJ's posted during the 7 day period, whose score is $\geq 2$ but less than FJ's, and FJ does not choose to award the bounty manually. Does the bounty disappear or does it go to that answer?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:39:41.580" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="926" PostId="267" Score="0" Text="@DavidSpeyer It's awarded to the other answer. Autoaward does not consider old answers, it assumes that they weren't good enough." CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:41:16.193" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="927" PostId="267" Score="1" Text="That seems like the correct answer from the perspective of making the system do a good job, but incorrect for creating drama. It would be more dramatic if FJ were saying, in effect: &quot;This rep is yours if you can write an answer better than mine, otherwise it disappears&quot;. But I guess that &quot;optimize for drama&quot; is not the best way to design a website. :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-28T18:45:33.560" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="928" PostId="267" Score="2" Text="@DavidSpeyer http://i.stack.imgur.com/4SOZ0.jpg" CreationDate="2013-06-28T19:03:32.327" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="908" PostId="269" Score="1" Text="Did you try to refresh the page in your browser (or clean cache and related things)? Also is the problem just via google or also if you give the url you mention manually (I assume the latter but am not certain.) Personally, I do not have the problem (neither directly nor via Google)." CreationDate="2013-06-28T17:27:15.887" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="909" PostId="269" Score="0" Text="Thanks, quid. It was through google, but apparently I hadn't cleared the cache before (thought I had). The problem is fixed now (sorry for noise, but I'll leave this question up just in case it helps anyone else)." CreationDate="2013-06-28T17:42:22.757" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="910" PostId="269" Score="1" Text="The link works fine for me. Btw, you can check if a site works or not using http://isup.me/" CreationDate="2013-06-28T17:42:52.787" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="911" PostId="269" Score="0" Text="I bet SE was pushing some fixes and you just got caught up with them at the wrong time. Has happened to me at times." CreationDate="2013-06-28T17:45:55.803" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1238" PostId="269" Score="0" Text="Sounds like a DNS issue. I had a similar problem for the first day or so after migration." CreationDate="2013-07-02T02:49:47.190" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="932" PostId="270" Score="0" Text="Wow. That LaTeX is so badly written that I feel the need to take another shower..." CreationDate="2013-06-28T19:49:54.783" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="948" PostId="270" Score="3" Text="Interesting, there are a few people who are apparently not fans of LaTeX's default spacing and insert `\,` everywhere. Of course, this leads to this kind of ridiculous results when combined with the fact that `\blah` and `\\blah` were functionally equivalent on 1.0, as Emil observed in another comment. I'm afraid the best procedure here is to edit manually." CreationDate="2013-06-28T21:25:28.110" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1005" PostId="270" Score="0" Text="At least one automatic conversion app tries to convert spacing in the original (presumably Word?) into `\,` spacing in LaTeX." CreationDate="2013-06-29T13:02:33.697" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="1126" PostId="271" Score="18" Text="The answer to this question doesn't seem to be obvious from glancing at the front page. Can we fix that?" CreationDate="2013-06-30T08:08:18.650" UserId="290" />
  <row Id="1129" PostId="271" Score="2" Text="@QiaochuYuan yes please!" CreationDate="2013-06-30T10:53:04.770" UserId="35998" />
  <row Id="1144" PostId="271" Score="0" Text="@QiaochuYuan: I agree it could be good to expand &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for mathematicians.&quot; to something more telling, which I assume would also change the mouse-over description 'mathematcians'. Indeed, we had a somewhat inconclusive debate about this on the old-meta; I do not link to it as the thread is a bit confusing touching on multiple subjects. The current one is the one we always had; perhaps we should restart this discussion here; where by here I mean this meta, not this question." CreationDate="2013-06-30T14:05:03.170" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="19967" PostId="271" Score="0" Text="See also: [Differences between mathoverflow and math.stackexchange.](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/41) on Mathematics Meta and [What's the difference between MathOverflow &amp; Mathematics.SE?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/185784) on Meta Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2019-05-06T11:01:27.983" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="934" PostId="272" Score="7" Text="Here is a link to an older question on the meta-site of math.SE discussing this question http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/41/differences-between-mathoverflow-and-math-stackexchange" CreationDate="2013-06-28T20:43:15.333" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="935" PostId="272" Score="1" Text="Not quite sure why somebody downvoted this" CreationDate="2013-06-28T20:44:45.860" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="938" PostId="272" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi I was somewhat surprised too, but then I did not yet figure out how voting is supposed to work on meta. In any case, what one might consider as not optimal is that I focus on the target audience as opposed to the intended content. I however did this on purpose as it came up frequently that research level mathematics is not quite a very understandable notion for somebody not close to it. Also, I thought if a pseodonymous user says **there are no formal requirements** and it is really about the individual knowledge it should be quite credible." CreationDate="2013-06-28T20:50:27.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="939" PostId="272" Score="2" Text="Five years at the university level is merely finishing M.Sc. in Israel..." CreationDate="2013-06-28T20:52:59.053" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="940" PostId="272" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: but then with an M.Sc. in math one is quite *close to* somebody holding a doctoral degree, as regards (general) math knowledge, and I said at least. Also I did not want to be overly exclusive." CreationDate="2013-06-28T20:57:26.753" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="941" PostId="272" Score="1" Text="I don't know. I don't feel remotely close to the folks I met on Young Set Theorists 2013 that just finished their Ph.D..." CreationDate="2013-06-28T21:01:48.057" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="947" PostId="272" Score="0" Text="So this is like [Programmers.se] but for [math.se]" CreationDate="2013-06-28T21:24:58.843" UserId="35998" />
  <row Id="949" PostId="272" Score="11" Text="@Pureferret: no, not quite. I will clarify this in my answer. Thanks for making this source of misunderstanding explicit. Programmers is AFAIK mainly about things related to working as a programmer. This site is very much **not** mainly about working as a mathematician. It is about *mathematics* but at the level of interest to the above mentioned group. (There are rarely question that touch upon working as a mathematician, but these are sparse and considered as off-topic by some, though this is a controversial matter.)" CreationDate="2013-06-28T21:29:50.750" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="950" PostId="272" Score="0" Text="@Pureferret: perhaps the analogy is closer than I thought as I had a a possibly wrong idea about the site Programmers. In any case I will make clearer what this site is intended for." CreationDate="2013-06-28T21:44:14.460" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="951" PostId="272" Score="5" Text="@quid it's a common misconception about [programmers.se] that I should have taken into account. In essence, [programmers.se] is for *whiteboard* questions, and [SO] is for less theoretical *make-it-work* type questions." CreationDate="2013-06-28T21:47:39.527" UserId="35998" />
  <row Id="988" PostId="272" Score="13" Text="@Pureferret: I think, if one is looking for an analogy with an existing SE site, a better one would be with [Theoretical Computer Science](http://meta.cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/225/official-faq-for-theoretical-computer-science/235#235)." CreationDate="2013-06-29T05:45:52.070" UserId="1916" />
  <row Id="952" PostId="275" Score="1" Text="What's the exact error you're getting and what's the link you want to insert into the question?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T22:20:43.367" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="954" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="That is strange... I linked to arXiv before on MSE..." CreationDate="2013-06-28T23:07:16.097" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="956" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="I put in the link address above. When I tried to create a link with http:// , with or without &lt;a&gt; tags, a box in red appears which reads: &quot;Links to http://arXiv:0904.2715 are not allowed.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-28T23:35:30.673" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="958" PostId="275" Score="4" Text="Even in the comment above, the system interprets `arXiv:` as a url protocol, which is wrong. It might have been whining about having a link with a url name which is different from the linked url. If these were actual urls this kind of deception shouldn't be allowed, but in this case the link name is not actually an url, it's an arXiv identifier." CreationDate="2013-06-28T23:52:26.107" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="965" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="Thanks, François. Your comment suggested the obvious fix. (One of these days I may get around to asking a good question on meta!)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:11:12.517" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="966" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="Seems to work for me." CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:11:31.440" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="955" PostId="276" Score="4" Text="If anyone would like to jump in and write something that uses the public API, please let me know and I can point you in the right direction. Our (abysmal) shell scripts for doing the scraping are in a mercurial repository, c.f. https://code.google.com/p/mathoverflow/source/browse/#hg%2Ftrackbacks" CreationDate="2013-06-28T23:13:53.127" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="994" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="I think the MO API isn't enabled yet (it ought to be in a couple of weeks). I could try, but there's too much code to read (not enough time). Exactly what needs to be done? Fetch posts linking to arXiv from MO and submit them to arXiv? (I don't see why you need so many files for that)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T11:23:55.557" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="995" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="I basically would need to understand the _how_ of submitting a TB to arXiv." CreationDate="2013-06-29T11:25:23.313" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="996" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="Nevermind, I got it: https://code.google.com/p/mathoverflow/source/browse/trackbacks/send-trackback.py" CreationDate="2013-06-29T11:29:28.660" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="997" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="I think modifying the code is a better option. The API doesn't allow regexes. However, it may be a nice idea to store the last accessed post ID and then periodically fetch all new posts from the API." CreationDate="2013-06-29T11:33:06.333" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="960" PostId="277" Score="3" Text="I would rather have BCnrd giving visible answers, should he be interested. But there are enough people for whom this would probably not be enough, i.e. R. Borcherds. Which is too bad for me. That is, it may not be fresh in his mind anymore, but he knows those integral lattices." CreationDate="2013-06-28T23:57:46.347" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="962" PostId="277" Score="5" Text="If there is some conservation law about Stack Exchange reputation that would be violated by this proposal, I volunteer to receive all of the leftover rep!" CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:01:29.133" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="967" PostId="277" Score="7" Text="Was the point of BCnrd really to opt out of reputation? I heard it said (on the old meta) the point was to self-limit the length/level of detail of contributions as a &quot;protection&quot; to spend too much time with MO." CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:14:53.757" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="969" PostId="277" Score="1" Text="Yes, you're right, @quid, that was one of the main reasons that BCnrd reported for answering in cmts." CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:16:58.863" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="973" PostId="277" Score="2" Text="Brian should develop more self control.  quid can give him some lessons.  :)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:39:05.277" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="975" PostId="277" Score="1" Text="I removed the two examples since they were more distracting than anything else." CreationDate="2013-06-29T01:05:45.503" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="983" PostId="277" Score="14" Text="Although I see some sense in requiring reputation for certain site privileges, I don't understand what purpose is served by making reputation public information.  If it were not public, or at least less prominent, fewer (potential) users might be bothered about it." CreationDate="2013-06-29T03:18:31.337" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="1007" PostId="277" Score="2" Text="My reputation is the perfect example of a telescoping sum." CreationDate="2013-06-29T13:12:00.823" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="1037" PostId="277" Score="3" Text="@MarkMeckes Extrinsic motivation. People participate because of it. On Quora, credits are hidden (and used like an &quot;economy&quot;). The motivation to participate there is somewhat less." CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:16:32.730" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1041" PostId="277" Score="4" Text="@Manishearth: Actually, I do understand that.  My point is really that I think it's not a compelling enough factor to outweigh the downside.  I know of several well-known mathematicians who *don't* participate in MO precisely because of reputation and/or badges." CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:31:50.640" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="1053" PostId="277" Score="2" Text="@MarkMeckes Oh, I understand your point too -- and yes, a &quot;hidden&quot; rep would be a nice option. I don't see it being implemented but it's worth a try." CreationDate="2013-06-29T18:24:51.433" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1300" PostId="277" Score="2" Text="@Mark: reputation is also a very rough measure of how much you should trust someone's answers (especially if they're using a pseudonym)." CreationDate="2013-07-02T19:47:07.940" UserId="290" />
  <row Id="1749" PostId="277" Score="1" Text="@Qiaochu: Yes, *very* rough, and to my mind not worth losing the participation of excellent mathematicians who find the prominent display of reputation and badges to be too ridiculous, offensive, or otherwise off-putting to put up with." CreationDate="2013-07-12T14:41:36.743" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="26856" PostId="277" Score="0" Text="The mills of hidden reputation grind slow, but they grind exceeding fine, I guess." CreationDate="2022-01-22T17:20:11.307" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29265" PostId="277" Score="0" Text="What is the incentive for having low reputation specifically? One of the answers below calls it an act of protest/expressing disagreement but other than that are there any other incentives?" CreationDate="2023-11-18T23:32:57.333" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="970" PostId="278" Score="3" Text="See [the answer](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/89/9479) to [Why are MO accounts not listed among other SE accounts?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/58/why-are-mo-accounts-not-listed-among-other-se-accounts): *Once we're pretty confident we've gotten everything adjusted, we'll run that backfill and your network accounts will be correct on SE.com and elsewhere.*" CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:19:15.470" UserId="9479" />
  <row Id="972" PostId="278" Score="0" Text="@AméricoTavares, thanks, that does seem to be about this issue." CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:31:46.117" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="959" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="We used to discourage this plan since new answers to cw question automatically become cw, which is unfair to the author of the answer. However, since (non-moderator) users can no longer make cw questions, this is not a problem anymore!" CreationDate="2013-06-28T23:56:38.623" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="961" PostId="279" Score="1" Text="How do you do a footnote?" CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:00:50.970" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="963" PostId="279" Score="3" Text="@WillJagy http://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/298b68dc-4ebc-4f87-8639-d6530f1a574b/view-source . Use superscripts." CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:05:25.333" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="968" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="There are some MO users who proceed like this, Jason Starr is a prominent example." CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:16:48.683" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="981" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="Manishearth: There is no +15 for accepted cw answers. Also, there is no +2 for the user who accepts a cw answer." CreationDate="2013-06-29T02:59:30.023" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="982" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="@JonasMeyer K, thanks, edited :)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T03:00:57.953" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="974" PostId="281" Score="1" Text="That's OK as long as the user identifies himself or herself in the profile." CreationDate="2013-06-29T00:40:57.833" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="976" PostId="281" Score="15" Text="Why does a user have to identify himself or herself in the profile? There's no identifying information for Frictionless Jellyfish in its profile, for example." CreationDate="2013-06-29T01:19:29.103" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="977" PostId="281" Score="3" Text="An issue I could imaginge with having several accounts is that it can be difficult to keep track of 'late' comments, make edits to ones own posts later and other things like casting multiple inadvertent votes on the same things. This seems like a possibility but feels quite limiting and/or inconvenient in some ways. If one where to keep several accounts *active* to partially sidestep the problems I think it might be good to somehow make this clear at least to mods to avoid the risk of the perception of some fraud going on." CreationDate="2013-06-29T01:47:29.797" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="978" PostId="281" Score="15" Text="Giving real names or at least identifying information is encouraged on MO.  IMO it should be required." CreationDate="2013-06-29T01:47:44.983" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="979" PostId="281" Score="0" Text="I should perhaps add to my preceding comment that personally I have no interest to opt out of the reputation system, as I find the point-system serves a practical purpose, and also but this is still more personal in the end I  find it somehow fun to get ever more points and badges (as a by product, to optimize ones behavior for it though  would seem a bad idea to me as well as assigning any actual relevance *outside the site* to them)." CreationDate="2013-06-29T02:19:25.543" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="984" PostId="281" Score="3" Text="One could have a sequence of user names, e.g $BC1, BC2, \ldots, BC n$ (to borrow a real world example), and just move to the next one if too much rep accumulates" CreationDate="2013-06-29T03:40:54.583" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="1009" PostId="281" Score="5" Text="Not using your real name can be quite an inconvience for someone wishing to cite your question/answer." CreationDate="2013-06-29T13:14:19.393" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="1023" PostId="281" Score="3" Text="@Fred: This has actually happened to me. Recently, I posted a solution to a question on another SE site without realizing that the question was effectively a small open problem (a related open problem having been stated in a fairly recent paper of Yuval Peres). The OP of that question has submitted a paper for publication using my answer, listing me as a coauthor under my SE username! While I take no extreme measures to remain anonymous (and, though, some may not realize it), there are, indeed, real-life circumstances that do not admit the ready use of one's name on this or other SE sites." CreationDate="2013-06-29T15:02:38.340" UserId="17114" />
  <row Id="1025" PostId="281" Score="1" Text="@FredKline: to echo cardinal, I do not see the inconvenience this causes; not a coauthor but also quid is acknowledged in a paper how is this more or less convenient than my real name, actually quid is rather shorter than most real names (including mine)." CreationDate="2013-06-29T15:09:38.917" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1026" PostId="281" Score="0" Text="I was cited by OEIS as Rudy Toody on Mathematica.SE and was asked by Neil J. A. Sloane to change to my real name in case of other citations." CreationDate="2013-06-29T15:14:27.753" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="1029" PostId="281" Score="2" Text="@quid: I wouldn't refer to an internet pseudonym in a paper -- simply because such pseudonym may change and may also be used by anyone." CreationDate="2013-06-29T15:55:56.287" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="1033" PostId="281" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl: just real names are also not unique identifiers, they can also change. If one wants to quote content one will anyway need to do it not just by the displayname, but referring to the relevant post. In addition there is also the more stable user number for MO. That being said, I can see reasons why somebody would not want to quote an internet pseudonym in a paper; my reponse to the inquiry how to acknowledge me was with pseodonym or just not at all (the information I gave was anyway available)." CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:04:27.173" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="980" PostId="282" Score="0" Text="Yes, you can. Happened to me once when I mis-clicked on the &quot;create chat room&quot; link" CreationDate="2013-06-29T02:40:09.607" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="990" PostId="283" Score="1" Text="Unless you're rep-capping every day, it anyway takes days to reach 500 rep. I don't see an issue with 500-rep-bountying one interesting question every few days :)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T09:50:26.687" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="991" PostId="283" Score="6" Text="About anon posting: It exists on Quora, an it permits one to say wrong things in a convincing tone, among other things. On Physics.SE when I'm not sure of something I mention that there's a significant chance my answer may be wrong. On Quora it sometimes is feels easier to just post anonymously (and I've seen that many anon answers are wrong). IMHO anon posting may lead to a greater influx of wrong answers. But I'm not sure of this." CreationDate="2013-06-29T09:52:28.540" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1006" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="It seems to me that an obvious solution to the conundrum you raise is what I suggested above: reputation is recorded by the system internally, but doesn't appear in any publicly viewable way." CreationDate="2013-06-29T13:07:57.250" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="1008" PostId="283" Score="8" Text="My personal preference: participate normally, but ignore your reputation (even if it appears for others to see).  This requires no change in the system, and anyone can adopt it immediately.  The advantage for others is that I don't post rants about those who downvote me." CreationDate="2013-06-29T13:13:51.680" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="1027" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: I don't know Quora works, but to avoid potential confusion, I let me stress that I think there is a *huge* difference between posting something (isoloated) with an anonymous throw-away account and having a (one!) pseodonymous account on MO for an extended period of time. By contrast I'd say if pseodonymous one rather needs to excercise more care to &quot;make sense&quot; on site, else everything will be ignored. There is nothing but what is on the site to have credibility. For the user who's actions started discussion, I think one must agree that  maths is beyond any reproach." CreationDate="2013-06-29T15:23:30.293" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1032" PostId="283" Score="2" Text="@quid This has to do with a &quot;post anonymously&quot; option per-post. I've found that the inclusion of such an option leads to less reliable answers. Anonymous psuedonyms still post reliable things, because the posts are still linked to their anon profile (and thus they have a reputation to keep up on the site)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:03:56.047" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1034" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: thank you for this clarification. In this form this makes a lot of sense to me." CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:07:30.263" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1035" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="@quid Of course, the people on MO seem to be a very nice and trustworthy bunch, and there's a high chance that the post-this-as-anon option, if present, wouldn't be abused. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:09:50.993" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1059" PostId="283" Score="1" Text="@MarkMeckes, not showing reputation (except in profile pages) seems interesting, you should post it as a new feature-request post on meta." CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:16:14.743" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1061" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, to deal with the issue of increased number of wrong answers, anonymous posting can be restricted to users who have high reputation! :)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:17:50.173" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1065" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh Hahaha that would get confusing... :P" CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:23:59.377" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1070" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: How is that different than the current one?" CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:36:51.063" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1071" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="@François, there is no reputation out-out, but users can opt-out from their reputation being displayed except on their profiles to other users (or even do this for all users on the site). Others can check their reputation from their profile page but reputation is not displayed all over the site any more. I think this is roughly what Mike is suggesting." CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:55:06.577" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1151" PostId="283" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh: If by &quot;Mike&quot; you mean me, what I'm really suggesting (knowing this suggestion will go nowhere) is that nobody's reputation should ever be visible to anyone anywhere (with the possible exception of moderators)." CreationDate="2013-06-30T16:02:35.300" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="20602" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="Here is link to the same query for MO (which is now also available in SEDE): https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/106250/average-quality-of-answers-by-users?MinAnswers=10" CreationDate="2019-07-30T04:47:39.173" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1012" PostId="284" Score="1" Text="It's been [deleted](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/252). See answer by the relevant mod." CreationDate="2013-06-29T13:57:34.850" UserId="35423" />
  <row Id="1013" PostId="284" Score="0" Text="Was any attempt made to inform me of the deletion?  It didn't appear in notifications or elsewhere." CreationDate="2013-06-29T14:00:30.187" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="1015" PostId="284" Score="2" Text="@Skliwz: could you perhaps edit the link in your comment so that the title is not visible." CreationDate="2013-06-29T14:12:03.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1017" PostId="284" Score="2" Text="I can't verify it, but you should have been notified of the answer." CreationDate="2013-06-29T14:32:37.107" UserId="35423" />
  <row Id="1031" PostId="284" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHardy If a moderator leaves a *comment* before deleting a post, the poster is guaranteed to be notified about it. This is one of the changes that came in with SE 2.0, and I let the moderator know so that they're better able to prevent confusion like this in the future." CreationDate="2013-06-29T15:59:20.867" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="1040" PostId="284" Score="2" Text="A message was sent off site immediately after deletion but apparently did not reach user Michael Hardy." CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:27:03.777" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1049" PostId="284" Score="0" Text="OK, I've found out that a notice was sent to an email address that I've recently looked at only every two or three days.  I don't know how moderation works on this site, other than the crowd-sourced forms of it." CreationDate="2013-06-29T17:54:37.740" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="1058" PostId="284" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHardy there are six moderators for the site, this was also so before the change, you can find [the names of the moderators](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/users?tab=moderators) on various places on the site. The are marked by a diamond see François G. Dorais. But note that now there are also general network-wide moerators also marked by a diamond. But mainly the relevant ones for this site are those behind the link I give. you can contact them by email via writing to moderators &quot;at&quot; MO.net with MO expanded in the obvious way." CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:15:15.700" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1010" PostId="285" Score="5" Text="I slightly changed the title, on the one hand as you seem to ask for the general problem and not the individual question only and also since ' &quot;97&quot; research question ' did not make any sense to me as I could not make sense what the 97 should be. I hope you do not mind the change, of course you can always roll back or choose something still different." CreationDate="2013-06-29T13:29:51.953" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1011" PostId="285" Score="0" Text="@quid You made it better indeed. Thanks" CreationDate="2013-06-29T13:32:36.720" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="1047" PostId="285" Score="9" Text="There's something wrong with the premise of the first paragraph.  Check the MSC and you will also find 2-digit classifications for, e.g., &quot;astronomy and astrophysics&quot;, &quot;geophysics&quot;, and &quot;biology and other natural sciences&quot;.  The issues with asking questions in those fields on MO may be different from the issues with mathematics education, but I think this at least demonstrates that MSC codes shouldn't be taken as the definition of appropriate topics for MO." CreationDate="2013-06-29T17:20:19.480" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="1056" PostId="285" Score="4" Text="As a side note, the general attitude to subjective questions has changed on [SE]. Subjective questions can be fine questions. See [Good Subjective, Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/)." CreationDate="2013-06-29T18:53:15.430" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="18253" PostId="285" Score="4" Text="When this question and its answers were first posted, the site [Mathematics Educators Stack Exchange](https://matheducators.stackexchange.com/) did not yet exist.  But now that it does, I suggest that questions about mathematics education be asked there." CreationDate="2019-01-28T01:29:58.617" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1014" PostId="286" Score="1" Text="You are somehow right about my current MO question. It took me about three days to write down the question in a way that I thought it could reach the audience. I tried different versions but none could satisfy MO rule. What you see now at the question seems like a survey, but it wasn't designed to do a survey. If you see one of my older question (http://mathoverflow.net/questions/130883/is-there-any-proof-that-you-feel-you-do-not-understand), you will find that" CreationDate="2013-06-29T14:11:49.600" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="1016" PostId="286" Score="0" Text="there are just 13 answers. Thus it is not even a &quot;big list&quot; type question. But the answers indeed completely changed my understanding of the issue of proof comprehension. After all, as I mentioned above, asking a Suitable-for-MO Mathematics education question is too difficult. And, I am experimenting different versions." CreationDate="2013-06-29T14:21:34.003" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="1018" PostId="286" Score="3" Text="@AmirAsghari: you say &quot;just 13 answers&quot; but 13 is really alot compared to the typical question; I have no data handy but for me 4 are already many answers. (This does not mean everything with many answers is &quot;bad&quot; but just to show that 13 is a huge number of answers, IMO). Also, I share the concern of Noah Snyder at the end of his answer. Put differently: I consider expert-discussion of the subject on-topic but I am worried about questions designed in a way that everybody can say something." CreationDate="2013-06-29T14:40:57.300" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1020" PostId="286" Score="1" Text="@AmirAsghari: to clarify my point, I think question that are likely to (only) generate the type of answer Benjamin Dickman gave would be good. (But also note he says the question is vague.) The other answer are sort of interesting, but then not answers to a research-level question in math ed (but responses to some sort of survey)." CreationDate="2013-06-29T14:54:21.003" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1022" PostId="286" Score="1" Text="I mentioned &quot;just 13 answers&quot; meaning that we cannot do a survey with that number of answers. What matters is the quality of answers that was indeed amazing in that case. Another example is http://mathoverflow.net/questions/128016/why-do-mathematicians-prefer-one-definition-over-the-other-when-they-both-define where I had just one answer that was yours. I learned a lot from that, and also from the comments. For years, I was interested in students' understanding of definitions, and now I could see it through the eyes of mathematicians." CreationDate="2013-06-29T14:58:11.883" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="1024" PostId="286" Score="0" Text="@AmirAsghari: I see the point regarding 13 answers better now, thank you. Also, I am pleased you found useful my answer on the question you mention." CreationDate="2013-06-29T15:04:20.753" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1085" PostId="286" Score="2" Text="You might want to have a look at &quot;_Checking if your question is on-topic_&quot; of [Is my question suitable for cstheory?](http://meta.cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/25/material-to-supplement-the-faq/2662#2662) sometime ago in reply to a user who asked if he can post interdisciplinary questions on cstheory." CreationDate="2013-06-29T22:33:30.913" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1019" PostId="287" Score="0" Text="I upvoted this while superficially it seems to rather contradict my own answer. But, also to me the main divide is: is this a question for experts, or at least people well-informed in the subject, or rather likely to generate some general exchange of vague opinion, personal experience and recollection and so on." CreationDate="2013-06-29T14:50:04.937" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1048" PostId="287" Score="5" Text="I think the user-base argument is not so strong: Suppose it included very few researchers in $p$-adic dynamics; would you suggest questions in this area not be asked? If the questions result in speculation/argument, then they should be closed down. I do agree that Mathematics Education questions are important; thus, I would be happy to see them raised here (if phrased properly). I think it quite reasonable to try to use MO as a vehicle for exploring questions about Mathematics Education, and that these concerns are relevant to many of the users (even those who do not research them directly)." CreationDate="2013-06-29T17:52:51.750" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="1050" PostId="287" Score="14" Text="Most people don't have strong but half-baked opinions on p-adic dynamics." CreationDate="2013-06-29T17:57:19.040" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="1054" PostId="287" Score="3" Text="You have missed the intended point of my hypothetical: Namely, that &quot;number of relevant researchers in the MO user-base&quot; is not, on its own, a good decider for question admissibility. Separately, in response to your later comment, if the issue is that people are posting &quot;strong but half-baked opinions,&quot; then those responses should be down-voted." CreationDate="2013-06-29T18:36:04.293" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="1063" PostId="287" Score="1" Text="@BenjaminDickman in practise it does not helpo much to downvote these answers. The &quot;noise&quot; is still around via permanent bumps. In addition to often causing annoyance on my part for various reasons, mainly abstract ones. Not math-ed specificallty but most thing of the type where people have half-baked opinions. The better solution in my opinion is to enforce rather higher standards for these types of questions than for others (not the oppsite, since it is vague anyway) for *questions* of this type." CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:20:51.913" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1043" PostId="289" Score="1" Text="On the surface, this seems a rather convincing argument. But then, having that in mind, you should exclude all the questions of &quot;what is the idea behind&quot; type, historical questions, philosophical questions, career advice type question, most CW questions and so on." CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:35:04.357" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="1044" PostId="289" Score="6" Text="@AmirAsghari: Yes, sadly, most of these also tend to be less successful on MO." CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:41:47.573" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1036" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="I'm suddenly ashamed that I put myself in this otherwise impressive list of mathematicians! (They were the first examples that came to mind...)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:15:11.010" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1038" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="This is a great suggestion. Also on MO not infrequently does one see LaTeX-style 'pseudo-diacritics'. Some even actually use MathJax to get them to print, which is however unfortunate due to different font, rendering time, and some other reasons." CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:18:07.407" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1039" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="Should we also expand the 'for example' list here. Accents grave and circonflexe spring to mind. Also the i without dot, I do not know how this is called, but I know of Yıldırım. Also one might want to be able to spell Gauß easily." CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:25:39.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1045" PostId="290" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, I liked your list of the names better... :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T16:44:20.680" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="1093" PostId="290" Score="1" Text="François, should we expect people to also write Андре́й Андре́евич Ма́рков, 姚期智, ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ ராமானுஜன், ... or is this expectation only for names in Latin based languages? If all names should be written in their original language please write my name as کاوه. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T22:59:55.877" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1094" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: I've never been asked about that. (I've also never saw anyone write write Ма́рков instead of Markov in an question or answer.)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T22:59:57.937" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1102" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@François, I know that. Russian uses Cyrillic script so no surprise people write Ма́рков as Markov. My point is, IMHO, we shouldn't be too picky about names. There are many published articles that write Kurt Gödel as Kurt Godel. Almost none of my American/European colleagues can even pronounce my first name correctly let alone my last name. German and French share most of their symbols with English but the symbols used by these names are not on standard English keyboards that we use. And people with other native languages may not even notice the difference between symbols like è and é." CreationDate="2013-06-29T23:30:44.037" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1103" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: I only relate what people ask me. I generally appreciate when people try since my name has a diacritic and I like it, but that has no bearing on whether I would request this on their behalf or not. [If you're asking me personally, if I were to cite a paper by کاوه from АЛГЕБРА и ЛОГИКА (the original, not the translation), I will try to keep the original names as such if possible, perhaps with a parenthetical translation/transliteration into whatever language I'm writing in.]" CreationDate="2013-06-29T23:31:22.977" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1108" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@François, I understand. I am just saying that we should be tolerant to people whose native language is different from ours when they can't write our names properly. (I doubt it be straightforward to publish an article in say JSL with author name Алекса́ндр Алекса́ндрович Разбо́ров, not to even mention names in languages using right to left scripts like Hebrew.)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T23:56:00.563" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1109" PostId="290" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh: The request was not for my name, though I suspect that's why people often ask me personally, my guess is that it's mostly for Erdős which is kind of a pain even for me to type." CreationDate="2013-06-30T00:02:05.353" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1111" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@François, I understand that this feature is what people request from you and I support this feature-request. Probably shouldn't have posted these under the question. Apologies." CreationDate="2013-06-30T00:24:46.383" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1113" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: No problem." CreationDate="2013-06-30T00:43:55.030" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1121" PostId="290" Score="1" Text="I should explain that this feature request was triggered by an answer of mine http://mathoverflow.net/a/135187/6794 (before it was edited), in which I wanted to put correct accents on the name of one of my teachers. I found that my computer and browser, though perfectly capable of putting an acute accent on various letters, balked at putting it on a c (they inserted a space and put the accent on that). I also found that I had no idea how to produce a the accents that TeX calls \v and \H . (I invited others to edit in the accents, and Mariano Suárez-Alvarez kindly did so.)" CreationDate="2013-06-30T01:26:03.227" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="1123" PostId="290" Score="3" Text="@Kaveh, François is in no way propose to make it mandatory to write people name in their original scripts, he just wants to be able to do so." CreationDate="2013-06-30T01:55:50.527" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="1132" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="I'd even add to Mariano's comment that it's not about being able to do so, but making work what some people *try already* (but does not work). @Kaveh: there is a difference between using a (correct) transliteration and dropping diacritics. For example, on the Wiki page (the English one) it says Gödel, *only this*, on that of Markov one has Markov and the original. The correct way to write Gödel in English is like this; Godel is simply wrong (of course it is very minor error and should definitely be tolerated but it is still wrong) while using a correct transliteration is not wrong." CreationDate="2013-06-30T11:54:27.700" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1139" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@quid, I think that is arguable, I don't think Gödel is English since ö is not a symbol of the English language, and Godel is used in English (just Google, you can find Godel in Times, Britannica, [mathematical articles](http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?start=0&amp;q=%22Kurt+Godel%22+-G%C3%B6del), etc.), but I don't think this is the place to have this discussion." CreationDate="2013-06-30T12:33:23.197" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1140" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: I agree this is not really the place to discuss this and possibly I should have been less assertive about English (since I am neither expert nor native speaker) but the Britannica article starts: &quot;Kurt Gödel, Gödel also spelled Goedel&quot; (please note the 'e' after the 'o', which is the way to avoid the umlaut, in English as well as in German. Also, diacritics are part of English AFAIK, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_terms_with_diacritical_marks specifically note there how the non-English name Röntgen gives rise to the roentgen (the unit), also röngten, yet *not* rontgen." CreationDate="2013-06-30T13:34:00.343" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1062" PostId="291" Score="0" Text="I never tagged one of my question &quot;soft&quot; apart from my second question ever on MO that was not a &quot;research&quot; question. To emphasize one of your points (the sort of expert answers one could not find elsewhere), I like to say that It was true for nearly all the questions I asked, and more interestingly, in two cases, after reading the answers I felt I was quite off-road in my earlier thinking  :)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:19:27.190" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="1067" PostId="291" Score="2" Text="To answer you question, which should stay and which should go: in my opinion, all should stay but with *high standards* for the *questions*, higher than those in other subjects (not lower, which is what happens often)." CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:28:02.337" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1055" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="OK, now this does not appear on the homeapge anymore already.  Has this question been deleted?" CreationDate="2013-06-29T18:48:24.060" UserId="5495" />
  <row Id="1057" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="Still visible. I suspect the answer to the 48 hour thing is here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/58/why-are-mo-accounts-not-listed-among-other-se-accounts  but there seemed to be one, more specific, about merging individual accounts. Not sure. You might just go back through all Meta questions, so far, on the right, it says there are two uses of the tag user-accounts, for example." CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:13:56.000" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1060" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="Some of the others tagged support might be closer." CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:16:18.213" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1072" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="I understand that there are still some problems to resolve like people wanting their SO network profiles connected to the MO account or not.  However, I don't understand why merging accounts stopped (or my mails didn't reach them).  In one of the threads it says they had 'support people in different time zones' which indicates that 24h should be a good upper bound for this to be processed." CreationDate="2013-06-29T20:01:23.103" UserId="5495" />
  <row Id="1073" PostId="292" Score="0" Text=",see if posting an &quot;answer&quot; here helps: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/15/how-can-i-log-in-into-my-old-mathoverflow-account?lq=1  There are some 35 successes, each deleted by Anton after resolution, most seem to be on June 25 and 26. This is a weekend now, it might matter." CreationDate="2013-06-29T20:10:40.317" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1074" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="I see, that's the first one you mention..." CreationDate="2013-06-29T20:15:31.557" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1064" PostId="293" Score="2" Text="If you breathe into a paper bag it prevents you from actually fainting. Worth a try. i saw this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_Bride_%281999_film%29" CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:23:36.430" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1066" PostId="293" Score="3" Text="Also relevant: http://xkcd.com/1015/" CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:24:53.137" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1068" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="Oh, the separation of C and E in offices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerning" CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:28:31.153" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1146" PostId="293" Score="2" Text="Oh snap, now I see it too. Thanks a lot!" CreationDate="2013-06-30T14:35:57.283" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1174" PostId="293" Score="1" Text="While we're on that note: [bad kerning](http://www.math.uconn.edu/%7Ekconrad/badfonts.jpg) (From [Keith Conrad's](http://mathoverflow.net/users/3272/kconrad) website.)" CreationDate="2013-06-30T21:11:32.793" UserId="17114" />
  <row Id="1075" PostId="294" Score="2" Text="The idea is that mathematicians already have a way that they use all the time. Support for HTML entities is not uniform: &amp;ccaron;aron, &amp;ccedil;edil, &amp;uuml;mlaut,..." CreationDate="2013-06-29T20:20:15.250" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1076" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I know :) I'm not sure if this has a chance of being implemented. However, I will try to modify my IPA Keyboard script to fit this." CreationDate="2013-06-29T20:23:18.787" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1077" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="It is slightly ironic that there are words with wrong diacritics in this answer (but I assume this is intentional). Otherwise, while it does not really answer the question, I think it could be useful for some to have the information around. My way of doing it is copying from somewhere else, typically Wikipedia, which works well for me." CreationDate="2013-06-29T20:53:38.237" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1079" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="@quid yeah, it was intentional, just to make it clear which accent is which." CreationDate="2013-06-29T21:19:00.510" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1496" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="Character escapes are not recommended by the W3C (http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-escape). Our pages are encoded in UTF-8, so there's absolutely no reason to obfuscate text by using unnecessary character escapes! It's been a very long time since this was the correct way to handle &quot;foreign&quot; characters, so I don't think dredging it up now is useful." CreationDate="2013-07-06T19:27:37.320" UserId="396" />
  <row Id="1110" PostId="295" Score="0" Text="At least for old MathOverflow, the emails didn't come instantly- sometimes I would see the answer by coming here, and get the email a couple of hours later. That said, good to check these things anyway." CreationDate="2013-06-30T00:02:43.280" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="1078" PostId="296" Score="2" Text="This wouldn't be JS, it would be server side." CreationDate="2013-06-29T21:15:54.937" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1080" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth So you'd load it into the Markdown parser?  Even so, it's not a great idea.  How many different ways of entering unicode characters would you like to support?  We already have direct unicode characters and entities.  The more possibilities that you add in, then the more chance there is of bizarre behaviour." CreationDate="2013-06-29T21:38:42.313" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1081" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="Not too bizarre an idea, other sites have similar site-specific syntax (check out [poker.se] or [chess.se]). As long as an important subset of the symbol list is supported, it ought to be fine." CreationDate="2013-06-29T21:43:40.253" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1082" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="Actually, that script is exactly what the last user asked for! Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-06-29T21:47:44.400" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1083" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="Would it be hard to have it recognize more complex expressions? E.g. if I could type `Erd\H{o}s` to get Erdős." CreationDate="2013-06-29T21:52:11.667" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1084" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="(By the way, this is not for me: *I* don't want anything of the kind, I just get tired of adding disclaimers all the time.)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T21:59:31.903" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1086" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth But where would you stop?  There is a huge number of unicode characters with &quot;simple&quot; LaTeX macros.  Would you support all of them?  You may as well just run TeX on the user input and be done with it!" CreationDate="2013-06-29T22:42:05.563" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1088" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Shouldn't be too hard to add.  I'll consider that a feature request." CreationDate="2013-06-29T22:42:36.113" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1089" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="Thanks Andrew !" CreationDate="2013-06-29T22:44:38.653" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1124" PostId="296" Score="4" Text="People should explore their OSes and find out how to produce `weird' characters: it is surprisingly easy in most of them (and it does not involve remembering unicode point numbers in any OS I use, at least)" CreationDate="2013-06-30T01:58:42.950" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="1249" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="+1 for Mariano's comment. Actually, even in LaTeX, I think `\usepackage{inputenc}` and native input is recommended over macros --- I recall reading on tex.se that there are some subtle hyphenation and pdf issues if one uses &quot;the old way&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-02T09:13:54.987" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="1250" PostId="296" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni My reading of http://tex.stackexchange.com/a/44699/86 is that this is not the case.  `inputenc` transforms the characters into their macro equivalents.  It is `fontenc` that is crucial for hypenation.  However, I agree with the endorsement of Mariano's comment." CreationDate="2013-07-02T10:43:21.490" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1253" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="You are right, I mixed up the two packages. There is still a benefit in using real accented characters in your source rather than TeX macros though: they work with spellcheckers." CreationDate="2013-07-02T11:13:24.577" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="1257" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais See latest edit.  I remembered why I wrote the utf.php script as a single command issue: parsing TeX in a non-TeX language is a nightmare.  Fortunately, I also remembered that I'd already done it in PHP and that script works for more complex expressions." CreationDate="2013-07-02T11:44:41.977" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1313" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="Thanks Andrew! It's a fantastic tool." CreationDate="2013-07-03T03:35:25.100" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1314" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="By the way, another potential use is for converting abstracts before submitting to the arxiv." CreationDate="2013-07-03T03:39:38.570" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1328" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais If you find it useful, that's great.  But be warned that it isn't a full TeX parser.  I wrote a better one in Perl, before giving up on that approach and writing a LaTeX class for converting LaTeX to text." CreationDate="2013-07-03T08:17:16.957" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1087" PostId="298" Score="4" Text="The difficulty of getting a pseudonymous email address is so minimal that I would say regarding the difficulty of being pseudonymous it does not change anything, except if out of principle you would not write to such an address, which however was never said like this." CreationDate="2013-06-29T22:42:31.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1091" PostId="298" Score="0" Text="We always wrote to whatever address was supplied, if any. The issue is mostly with users who do not supply contact info of any kind, or users who supply invalid contact info." CreationDate="2013-06-29T22:53:34.253" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1096" PostId="298" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: thank you for the information/confirmation. Incidentally, to celebrate the upgrade, I finally added an email address in my profile (I assume visible to moderators, if not it'd be a bit unclear where to put it). So I take it I can now behave worse than before. ;-)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T23:08:02.933" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1097" PostId="298" Score="3" Text="@quid, we noticed... &gt;:)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T23:17:09.773" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1112" PostId="298" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: while I just got into some complicated exchange, I did mean this behaving worse as a pure joke. I hope this was clear. (I am now sort of unsure in categorizing your final comment. The emoticon being a bit confusing.)" CreationDate="2013-06-30T00:39:03.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1115" PostId="298" Score="0" Text="@quid: Sorry. Honestly, I don't know how to use emoticons. This one was suggested by a younger friend after I asked how to type an humoristic &quot;evil grin&quot; as a response. I shouldn't have tried so hard..." CreationDate="2013-06-30T00:48:40.800" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1117" PostId="298" Score="0" Text="@Will: sending us an email is still the best way to reach us." CreationDate="2013-06-30T00:51:20.873" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1120" PostId="298" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: me neither, and I had nobody to ask and the info on the internet was a bit inconclusive, yes I found  'evil' but then maybe this is rather also 'angry'. Completely inadvertently it seems I almost fulfilled my joke. Sorry! I will write a bit less in the days to come." CreationDate="2013-06-30T01:03:05.730" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1163" PostId="298" Score="4" Text="You're definitely welcome to use whatever moderation techniques you think work best for you guys, but I just want to note one advantage of using the internal messaging system - it leaves a record on the site that is easy to find and review later. This would come in handy if, say, more moderators joined the team down the road since they'd right away be aware of previous discussions with a user." CreationDate="2013-06-30T19:33:33.203" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="10784" PostId="298" Score="0" Text="Much like the First Men of the North, one of the sayings passed from father to son in the MO moderators society is &quot;Our way is the old way&quot;." CreationDate="2015-07-05T04:45:30.827" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1122" PostId="299" Score="5" Text="I vote up, i.e. I believe this edit should not be made. I can't resist saying that ${\bf Q}$ is as legitimate as ${\mathbb Q}$, and that some of us could then go changing $VN(G)$ to $\operatorname{VN}(G)$ everywhere. The point of cleaning up formatting is to improve readability and aid communication" CreationDate="2013-06-30T01:55:40.853" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1501" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="A weak? Maybe a week?" CreationDate="2013-07-06T21:27:12.303" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1502" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: I am not really strong and I just passed, so I am about weak and passed. :-) I corrected it thanks." CreationDate="2013-07-06T21:55:05.480" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1510" PostId="299" Score="3" Text="I'm with the camp that says unnecessary TeX is unnecessary. Because TeX does not render in many cases -- for example when people have turned it off for titles in the questions list or in the SE app on my phone -- if an expression can be conveyed perfectly well without TeX, I think it would be better on balance to not use TeX. If someone changed x = 1/2 to $x=1/2$ in my question, especially in the title, I would be PO'd." CreationDate="2013-07-07T00:27:40.130" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="1516" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="See http://mathoverflow.net/posts/135949/revisions for the kind of thing I have in mind, and find somewhat &quot;fetishistic&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-07T05:07:28.637" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1527" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@YoavKallus: I agree with the spirit of you comment, but out of general interest: is it still [it *was* on the old MO, this I know] possible to turn on/off rendering of titles? (I mean via some switch in the preferences not via some special script user-side.) Personally I wish it were possible, but I could not find it, thus the question." CreationDate="2013-07-07T15:54:47.870" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1528" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@quid: I haven't found it either, so I guess that part of my comment is not relevant for the new MO." CreationDate="2013-07-07T16:50:24.200" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="2268" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi this abbout your recent edits, first to say that I found it amusing (the 'join them'), but second also to ask what you meant with the &quot;I think more inline&quot; in one of them. I agree with your tag-edit, this is not the question (I assume also OP now it was an older question after all, asked shortly after joining), but what is the 'more'. What I mean is it could be taken as implicit criticism of earlier edits of OP, but perhaps this is an overinterpretation. Also, see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/520/ in case you would like to discuss this." CreationDate="2013-07-25T13:20:11.457" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2273" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: thank you for the reply and sorry for the overinterpretation. (I intend to delete my two comments here later.)" CreationDate="2013-07-25T17:58:20.623" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2274" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: the above was written before seeing your second comment. Yes, I somehow sensed the irony but could not quite decide whether it was more fun from your point of view or if you had an actual problem. To answer your question: personally, I am always happy if my content here gets edited. Except it should make it worse of course, but so far this never happened and I am sure an edit by you would not make it worse. Recently I actively searched for a copy-editor; Todd Trimble kindly volunteered in the end." CreationDate="2013-07-25T18:03:43.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2280" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@Yemon (CC quid): I guess I am an interested party in this discussion, yet apparently missed some of your recent comments here. So I was wondering if you could briefly clarify your opinion on my edits. After all, it is hard to have a conversation through the edit description field. :)  For example, do you find it acceptable to correct typos in the *title* of a question currently in the front page? [When I do this I usually also take the time to correct the most obvious spelling or grammar errors in the post.] How about retagging and correcting non-rendering mathjax in old questions? Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-07-25T22:04:01.867" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2281" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade I think corrections of spelling errors and significant improvements of LaTeX are fine for questions on the front page. Retagging on old questions makes some sense to me if done in moderation, although I find the fine detail of the tags not as useful as some people do. And if mathjax is not rendering in old questions, then I guess that too should be fixed." CreationDate="2013-07-25T22:58:26.960" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2282" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade  However, &quot;improvements&quot; of people's LaTeX or grammar on old questions seems a bit disproportionate to me: the phrase about &quot;casting the mote out from thy brother's eye&quot; comes to mind. The introduction of blackboard bold is a particular bugbear of mine since (a) I don't find its absence a big deal (b) far worse LaTeX sins go unremarked, it seems to me. (I find each bumped question on the front page is taking space from another question, and since I don't think of MO as an encyclopaedia or reference text, I am less keen than many here on editing for sake of polish)" CreationDate="2013-07-25T23:00:10.843" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2283" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@Yemon: Thanks for the clarification! We clearly disagree on several points regarding editing. But I will agree with you that fine editing of mathjax (e.g. replacing Z with \mathbb{Z}) is mostly counter-productive. For full disclosure, the reason I do not &quot;fully correct&quot; the grammar on posts I edit is because I do not think it is my place, and to keep diversity. For questions on the front page, I mostly try to make the question more readable (not sure if I succeed...) and maybe change that which really ticks me (typos in titles, using mathjax in weird ways to get certain snazzy effects)." CreationDate="2013-07-25T23:10:06.527" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2284" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="For old questions, I mostly keep to retagging and fixing problems with mathjax rendering. I will however then take the opportunity to fix the most obvious typos... :) In any case, thank you very much for correcting my question with the deprecated tag. Thanks for clarifying the situation, and please keep voicing your opinion on my edits." CreationDate="2013-07-25T23:14:05.947" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2285" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade no problem - thanks for the opportunity to discuss or elaborate. I should reiterate that I am probably not representative of the MO consensus here!" CreationDate="2013-07-25T23:14:15.777" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2286" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade and Yemon Choi: Now I almost missed the discussion. Sorry for having started this at a strange place, it was just I was unsure how to interpret something which also effects me in some ways so I wanted a quick clarification without drawing general attention to it. Regaring editing in general I think I care more about tags than most, as I think it is important to have them about reasonable, not fine details but some things are nonsensically tagged in my opinion; and the mere existenc of some tags causes problems as sure enough somebody will use *only* one meaningless tag;" CreationDate="2013-07-25T23:52:29.930" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2287" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi and Ricardo Andrade and so I try to minimize some and also I think the toplevel tag sysytem is sort of useful. By analogy with a library if the cover of a book is degraded it is not so bad even if a page is missing it can be about alright maybe it does not even matter but if it is placed at the wrong place it can be as if it does not exist. The wrong place this is having a wrong tag to me. Also, I feel some people really misunderstand what the tags are for with *extremly* specialised tags that never get reused (the should put the keyword in the title not a tag)" CreationDate="2013-07-25T23:56:17.150" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2288" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="So I retag quite a lot, though I try not do overdo it with intensity, and am always happy if others join.  Now I write a lot. I am now unsure regarding deleting my earlier comments as announced, since then the comment string will be completely incomprehensible to others. If you should delete something I will clean up too (or if you want me to delete something let me know). If not we can leave it too." CreationDate="2013-07-25T23:59:06.617" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2289" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@quid: No worries. Thanks for the insight. I was thinking of deleting my comments here as well, but I think now I want to keep them for future reference. /// I completely agree with you about non-sensical or meaningless tags. I also have a personal issue with extremely specialized tags (Jim Stasheff, I am looking at you! :) ). By the way, perhaps we could have an organized effort to clear the deprecated tags ('geometry' is HUGE, though). I was actually thinking of writing a meta post about it, after some necessary preparation." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:02:19.553" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2290" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade: fine let us keep them. Yes, geometry is huge. I just started going through algebra which is only about a tenth. If geometry should be addressed I think this needs to be prepared; personally I do not feel so at home with most geometry related things. Spontaneously, a way could be to retag manually those were a special one seems suitable and then the rest automatically to something like general-geometry for lack of a better name. But for the moment I focus on algebra as it feels managable at 70 gets used so much as unique tag and in mixed ways, it should really go, imo." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:10:34.653" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2291" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@quid: I had noticed your work on 'algebra'. The tag 'analysis' is similarly all over the place. Another possibility I was considering is to see which top level tag is most common in the questions tagged 'topology', say. Let us say it is 'gn.general-topology'. Then retag everything in 'topology' that is not 'gn.general-topology'. Finally, merge 'topology' into 'gn.general-topology'. I don't know if this is workable, as I wanted to go through and see if one top level tag really does dominate (such as 'gn.general-topology' might dominate among 'topology' questions). Any ideas?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:15:20.040" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2293" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade yes, analysis, too. Actually I made essentially a mental coin-toss to decide if I start with algebra or analysis. Also, agreed with topology; as for geometry personally I sometimes have some difficulty with retagging toplogy for lack of overview. The strategy to look and leave one top-level tag for a general merge seems good. One might even consider to leave a synonym to gn.general-topology in the end, for example algebras (but not algebra) is already synonym for ra.rings-and-algebras." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:25:51.693" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2294" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@quid: These are very good ideas. Would you want to create a post on meta at some point to organize this? (Possibly one tag at a time?) Or do you want to keep it low for now?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:30:27.283" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2296" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade: rather I thought to progress continously with the retagging (algebra, analysis, also elementary is a problematic tag) without much organisation. In general I am really in favor that things do get discussed but for tags my experience is that almost everybody does not care *only* if some discussion starts opinions are voiced and then nothing follows or the status quo is perpetuated for lack of other consensus. (But for geometry I think one needs some joint effort, and perhaps some disc; but I don't feel well-placed to start it, in any case not atm. But this shouldn't stop you.)" CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:44:29.170" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2297" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@quid: Thank you for your insight! I will give this matter some more thought." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:51:15.943" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2365" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade: just a small follow-up to the above discussion on retagging strategies. For the algebra tag I now came to the conclusion that the most efficient should be to leave initially everything unchanged where the tag 'algebra' is somehow redundant, say, if it is also tagged ac.commutative-algebra or ra.rings-and-algebras or linear-algebra and some other things. (This covers a lot of occurences.) Then, once everything else is retagged, the tag 'algebra' could simply be deleted without loss as it only appears in a redundant way. This might also work for other tags." CreationDate="2013-07-28T12:41:32.997" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2389" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@quid: That strategy may indeed work best. I too have observed occasionally that several questions with deprecated tags also have top level tags. I will try to take a rough count for 'topology' and 'geometry' once I have some time." CreationDate="2013-07-28T20:29:36.547" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2424" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@quid: Here are some quick numbers related to the tags 'geometry' and 'topology' which I obtained using search queries. The tag 'geometry' currently has 793 questions, 569 of which do not have any *related* top-level tag (related top-level tags are: dg, ag, gt, mg), and 422 of which do not have any top-level tag. The tag 'topology' currently has 222 questions, 161 of which do not have any *related* top-level tag (related tags are: gn, gt, at), and 119 of which do not have any top-level tag." CreationDate="2013-07-30T01:16:51.560" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2425" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="For example, here is the search query I used for finding all questions tagged 'geometry' without any top-level tags: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/geometry+-gt.geometric-topology+-dg.differential-geometry+-ag.algebraic-geometry+-mg.metric-geometry+-co.combinatorics+-pr.probability+-gr.group-theory+-ho.history-overview+-ds.dynamical-systems+-ca.analysis-and-odes+-oc.optimization-control+-lo.logic+-at.algebraic-topology+-gn.general-topology" CreationDate="2013-07-30T01:17:32.250" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2426" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade thank you for the info! This is a *lot*. I only had a brief look at geometry so far, there are some other geometry tags like discrete-geometry and convex-geometry that are not top-level, one might accept this. (As for algebra I also tend to accept linear-algebra without top-level, as this is almost standard.) But in any case this geometry tag seems like a bit of a nightmare not quite sure what to do about it. (Perhaps wait for the minor-edit feature. Not sure this will ever become reality though.)" CreationDate="2013-07-30T01:36:22.700" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2429" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@quid: I completely agree that 'geometry' is a mess. I too am hoping that the minor edit feature gets implemented, but that does not seem too likely... Do you know of any updates on the minor edits feature request? [I honestly have no idea how to figure out whether feature requests are moving forward or not...]" CreationDate="2013-07-30T06:31:09.260" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2430" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade No I do not really know either, but I think it is unlikely. As I think plenty of people also on other sites would like that too. And it does not seem technically difficult. So, if it does not yet exist they seem somehow against it. But on meta.SO there were also feature-requests that got implemented after years. Retracting down-votes is an example, asked for mid 2009 or so, implemented some weeks ago. I think it is really impredictable." CreationDate="2013-07-30T07:14:50.507" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="26978" PostId="300" Score="0" Text="Tea seems to be [down at the moment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4438), so I'll add at least a [Wayback Machine link](http://web.archive.org/web/20151102061434/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1616/mathoverflow-20-final-sandbox-testing/) to the discussion mentioned in the question." CreationDate="2022-02-15T15:33:43.260" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1100" PostId="301" Score="1" Text="I'm pretty sure it is allowed to base your voting decisions not exclusively on a post." CreationDate="2013-06-29T23:26:25.593" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="1101" PostId="301" Score="1" Text="@MichaelGreinecker Sure. However, the advice is to vote on the basis of the merit of a post (of course, the merit of the user makes it more reliable and contributes). I guess this isn't exactly a &quot;rules&quot; thing, so I'll edit that. Thing is, &quot;I like this user so let me blindly upvote all his posts&quot; is not allowed." CreationDate="2013-06-29T23:28:01.250" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1104" PostId="301" Score="3" Text="@Manishearth Sure, I was thinking more something along the lines &quot;Haven't I told this user already three times that you can't divide by zero?&quot;." CreationDate="2013-06-29T23:31:35.130" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="1105" PostId="301" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker Oh, yeah, that. That's different, that's when the merit of the user is so bad it overshadows the post :P It happens too often." CreationDate="2013-06-29T23:32:22.413" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1128" PostId="302" Score="3" Text="My recollection is that 'invisibility to the rest of the network' was proposed, and quickly ruled out (by Anton?)." CreationDate="2013-06-30T10:26:14.040" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1130" PostId="302" Score="0" Text="Since there are probably many questions out there which _should_ be closed but haven't been, it may be beneficial to wait a week before checking this." CreationDate="2013-06-30T11:05:27.283" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1131" PostId="302" Score="2" Text="Regarding data, just: number of total questions, number of closed (including mig) + deleted; for a couple of weeks is enough, IMO. Finer distinctions seem not necessary. My vague opinion, but I didn't even pay much attention is, perhaps slight increase but not that much. Problems from being in the network IMO are *other* things than questions (this suggested  editing can be somewhat of a nuissance, but also has some good to it) and maybe voting (but this is still harder to tell). If there is problem it's the assoc. bonus, but for this it is too late anyway. And, overall,  it's fine as is." CreationDate="2013-06-30T11:33:03.837" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1133" PostId="302" Score="1" Text="@Quid Yeah, I realized that, I'm fetching the data now. I doubt the assoc bonus causes too many problems: _anyone_ can post (bad) Q/A, the assoc bonus doesn't help here." CreationDate="2013-06-30T11:56:16.337" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1147" PostId="302" Score="6" Text="@Manishearth The problem with assoc bonus is that it allows &quot;anyone&quot; to _upvote_ bad questions..." CreationDate="2013-06-30T14:40:57.443" UserId="1556" />
  <row Id="1148" PostId="302" Score="0" Text="@GrigoryM Oh, that. Forgot about that." CreationDate="2013-06-30T14:49:12.540" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1158" PostId="302" Score="1" Text="Like quid, I feel like there has been a slight increase, but am prepared to believe that is an illusion if the data do not confirm this" CreationDate="2013-06-30T17:04:14.603" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1194" PostId="302" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi See graphs below, the data confirms it. However, for a complete analysis we need to know the number of questions per day too." CreationDate="2013-07-01T03:55:33.443" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1212" PostId="302" Score="0" Text="[This](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/185728) has not yet been effected. When it is, compare data from before and after that date." CreationDate="2013-07-01T15:21:54.437" UserId="15316" />
  <row Id="1152" PostId="304" Score="0" Text="Works for me.. Could have been a temporary outage." CreationDate="2013-06-30T16:02:55.440" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1198" PostId="305" Score="1" Text="Perhaps it would help to mark in your graph the day we switched to MO 2.0?" CreationDate="2013-07-01T10:54:08.963" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="1199" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Good idea, done :)" CreationDate="2013-07-01T11:08:54.313" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1209" PostId="305" Score="2" Text="The plots are nice, thanks for making them. But looking at them in detail I think  there is a very important piece missing, the deleted questions (I understand you might not be able to get this data); this is just to stress that mainly others should not look at the graph and think there is a huge inc. The point is that on MO the majority of closed questions got deleted often essentially, ASAP, that is 2days + a couple hours after closure (but with some fluctuation). You acknowledge this might be skewed but the skew seems very large to me; also it might explain the going up just before mig." CreationDate="2013-07-01T14:02:24.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1210" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="@quid I put in a note about the autodeletion roomba, however I'll add that in as well. I'll see if the community team is willing to provide plots and/or data including deleted posts." CreationDate="2013-07-01T14:23:40.110" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1211" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="For some reason, the &quot;Percent&quot; graph seems to show that the majority of the increase was from Tuesday-Doomsday. Any explanation for that? (Could be the roomba)" CreationDate="2013-07-01T14:25:01.117" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1214" PostId="305" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the update! I do not know. There are several conflicting effects one could imagine: on the one hand, I four example did not vote to delete recently, since I was always busy with other things (getting to know the new site, meta and so on), might also affect others so that there is less deletion; also since there is autodeletion know some might have decided not to deleted. In the other direction the new review interface might lead to more closures (even if there were no change in the questions). Hard to tell what is happening; I am just guessing around a bit." CreationDate="2013-07-01T16:15:40.933" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1240" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="@quid You're right there, the review interface would help tons. (On Physics.SE it did indeed make things smoother). That's the problem with data, you've got to factor in all of this stuff when analyzing it. Anyway, I'm trying to get data on deleted posts too, so that may at least remove _some_ of the skewing." CreationDate="2013-07-02T04:08:28.973" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="3747" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, could you please update your graph again? I think we've had a long enough 'burn-in' that the graphs will really mean something, and we can decide if we need to do anything." CreationDate="2013-09-16T04:57:38.520" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3749" PostId="305" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison Alright, I'll try. I no longer have the scripts used to generate these, so it may take some time." CreationDate="2013-09-16T05:53:50.553" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="3751" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, ah, okay. If it's too much trouble, a hint as to how you did it would let someone else pick up the ball. (But I liked your pretty graphs! :-)" CreationDate="2013-09-16T06:13:28.480" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3752" PostId="305" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison Not too much trouble, just that I'm studying right now for an exam (after 6 hours or so I ought to be relatively free). I used jQuery to pull the data, converted it to CSV using [this fiddle](http://jsfiddle.net/sturtevant/vUnF9/), and then popped it into Google Docs. I'll just need to rewrite the jQuery here :)" CreationDate="2013-09-16T06:16:47.987" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="3770" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison [Here](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnhhR68LijNYdFNWZEFtem93U0V1d2Nja28wZTR3UkE&amp;usp=sharing) is what I have till now, but I feel there's something wrong with the date parsing so I'll have to have another look" CreationDate="2013-09-16T15:17:27.360" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="3775" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison Done (I think). Enjoy! :D Note that the percentage graph shows a spike due to the closed question autodeletion (the same spike is there at the boundary of the earlier graph)" CreationDate="2013-09-16T18:13:53.727" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="3776" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="Stupid question: &quot;duped&quot; means duplicated? I kept thinking it was a misprint for &quot;dumped&quot;, until I stopped to ponder what *that* would mean." CreationDate="2013-09-16T18:39:36.467" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3777" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Yep. I don't think the mods go &quot;Look behind you! Haha closed your question.&quot; :p" CreationDate="2013-09-16T18:43:08.747" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="3781" PostId="305" Score="2" Text="Interesting! Thanks for doing this! Would it be easier to pick up trends if the graphs were using weeks rather than days? Maybe a rolling average to smooth out the data?" CreationDate="2013-09-16T18:58:04.300" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3783" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Possibly. I'm rather busy these days, maybe you could try? The data's available in the first link under the update" CreationDate="2013-09-16T19:04:25.980" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="3785" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="Yes, I will try when I have time. I'm very busy too but aren't we all..." CreationDate="2013-09-16T19:07:16.827" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3832" PostId="305" Score="1" Text="@Manishearth, I just noticed that something is messed up in your spreadsheeet (the first link update the 9/16 update). If you scroll down to the end, lots of the dates are messed up. I'm wary of using this data further without knowing what's going on there." CreationDate="2013-09-18T01:34:16.083" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3834" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison Oh, great, I thought I fixed that. The month behaves like javasctipt array indices and stats with a zero, and I forgot to increment it. I'll fix that later." CreationDate="2013-09-18T05:59:10.760" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1149" PostId="306" Score="1" Text="That's a well known issue $\Bbb N$ ;-)" CreationDate="2013-06-30T15:58:02.283" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1150" PostId="306" Score="0" Text="How many of you wanted to post a Dothraki &quot;It is known&quot; meme after reading this? ;-)" CreationDate="2013-06-30T16:02:02.127" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1153" PostId="306" Score="0" Text="I don't claim it is a bug $\newcommand{mathbf}[1]{\text{;-) }#1}$. What about comments? :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-30T16:08:52.123" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="1155" PostId="306" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: I don't follow memes, and have no idea what that meme is about. (I did follow the seasons of GoT though, so I know what Dothraki is.)" CreationDate="2013-06-30T16:24:28.417" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1156" PostId="306" Score="1" Text="IMO, usage of newcommand and related should be discouraged/blocked altogether. This is somehow off-topic here, but I always wanted to say it and this is the best occassion so far." CreationDate="2013-06-30T16:26:19.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1157" PostId="306" Score="6" Text="@quid, I am sorry but... why? Have you tried to compose an answer which contains a couple of dozens of `\mathbb{R}` and or many `\operatorname{Ext}`?!" CreationDate="2013-06-30T16:51:16.270" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="1159" PostId="306" Score="0" Text="@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez: it might be that it is less relevant for things I write, but not completely so. I do not know which of my answers contains most formulas to check. But, since some years (I did this differently before, it's not that I don't know how to do it), I write most of my papers without or essentially without (especially if I have coauthors), which applies on MO, one reason. And, if you write so complicated answers you might use an editor and then run a replace. But I know I'm in the minority here. Also it is irritating while MathJax compiles. And, for reason just brought up." CreationDate="2013-06-30T17:10:26.310" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1190" PostId="306" Score="0" Text="Previously discussed on Meta.Math.SE: http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/4130/the-scope-of-newcommand-is-the-entire-page" CreationDate="2013-07-01T01:51:08.073" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="1248" PostId="306" Score="1" Text="So, if an answer contains `\newcommand\RR{\mathbb{R}}`, another contains `\newcommand\RR{\mathcal{R}}`, and a third uses `\RR` without defining it, the symbol shown in the third answer depends on the order in which the previous answers are visualized? Sounds tricky." CreationDate="2013-07-02T09:08:33.777" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21568" PostId="306" Score="0" Text="This was [changed in January 2019](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4130/the-scope-of-newcommand-is-the-entire-page/29621#29621), now the scope is a single post (or a single comment). This is related to this change: [Problem with posts and comments relying on macros defined elsewhere](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4103)." CreationDate="2020-02-12T08:15:48.250" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1154" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="What about comments ;-)" CreationDate="2013-06-30T16:10:23.300" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="1192" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="Just a pointer: for legitimate situations (where two users use custom macros with identical names), there's the begingroup extension (via \require) http://docs.mathjax.org/en/latest/tex.html#begingroup" CreationDate="2013-07-01T02:12:46.817" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="1193" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="@peter not necessary, newcommand overwrites itself if used twice in a page." CreationDate="2013-07-01T02:21:10.097" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1160" PostId="311" Score="3" Text="Mainly to test it, I just cast my first vote to close since month, a vote to migrate to math.SE However, I would like to say that this was not at all intended as a slap in the face. By contrast the user asking it appeared to be a SO user that just happened to have a math question and searched for the appropriate SE site and picked the wrong one; and this rather is a helpful showing the way to the right place instead of just saying 'not here'. That this happens is perhaps also 'our' fault; as the official description that is easily visible is not yet very telling." CreationDate="2013-06-30T19:03:48.280" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1161" PostId="311" Score="0" Text="@quid, changed it to &quot;wake-up call&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-30T19:14:31.350" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1162" PostId="311" Score="2" Text="Will are you sure about m.SE? There's several front page questions currently on hold for being direct HW questions. Eg http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/433104/find-the-center-of-mass-with-a-region-r" CreationDate="2013-06-30T19:28:13.600" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="1164" PostId="311" Score="0" Text="Noah, one example  &quot;It's not our fault that the SE team put &quot;Homework questions must seek to understand the concepts being taught, not just demand a solution&quot; under &quot;off-topic&quot;. – Zev Chonoles 38 mins ago" CreationDate="2013-06-30T19:34:29.557" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1165" PostId="311" Score="3" Text="@NoahSnyder, anyway, you have a point, the needle may not have swung all the way in the direction i dislike. However, for the purposes of deciding what to do with an unsuitable question on MO, my conclusion is that migration to MSE will generally be a suitable vote for most things that are questions rather than rants, should MO people wish to try that out." CreationDate="2013-06-30T19:38:05.870" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1175" PostId="311" Score="4" Text="@WillJagy A lot of questions that do not belong on MO do also not belong on MSE. Please keep the popular [minimum quality standards](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/9201/proposal-discourage-questions-that-are-nothing-besides-a-problem-statement) at MSE in mind before transferring. As a moderator at MSE, I want also to add that moderators there support closing such questions but prefer ordinary users to do the closing." CreationDate="2013-06-30T21:27:45.107" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="1176" PostId="311" Score="4" Text="@MichaelGreinecker, I believe I understand. I'm active on both sites, and will continue to watch the consensus on homework and related issues." CreationDate="2013-06-30T21:37:15.013" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1166" PostId="312" Score="10" Text="In my opinion, in practise, the answer is the level. (Only that on math.SE there is no upper-bound, so in principle there are no questions that are too high-level there, it might just be that one gets better reception on MO, while on MO there is a lower-bound.) Also MO is not for research question, but research-level question, which addmittedly is a vague term, but the FAQs explained it. I'd say advanced graduate-level (5-6+ studies at university) is roughly speaking the appropriateness-level for MO." CreationDate="2013-06-30T19:48:29.910" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1861" PostId="312" Score="3" Text="I'd agree with quid, and add that it's comparatively rare that answers to &quot;MO-appropriate questions&quot; actually involve novel ideas. Many such questions arise when a mathematician needs to investigate something outside his/her comfort zone, and feels sure that some expert out there would be able to supply the knowledge he/she is missing." CreationDate="2013-07-14T00:25:28.563" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9329" PostId="312" Score="0" Text="I thought the point is not at all that the answer should involve novel research, but that the question should arise in research.  When MO is called &quot;the best math department in the world&quot; I thought the idea is a researcher might run up against a question not exactly in their field, but needed for their research, and not answerable by normal references, and go ask someone whose field it is.  That latter expert might not find the question hard -- only the answer should not be obvious to everyone equipped to understand and use it." CreationDate="2014-12-09T19:40:11.173" UserId="38783" />
  <row Id="1167" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="have you seen this one? http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/292/how-to-merge-old-mathoverflow-account  I think it is the same problem..." CreationDate="2013-06-30T20:21:43.447" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1168" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="Strange how it keeps clipping off the initial salutation. Maybe just when the system is sure there is only one person being addressed?" CreationDate="2013-06-30T20:23:18.623" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1177" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="Anna: thanks, seems to be sorted now.&#xA;&#xA;Will: I did see it. But having only 11 rep points I couldn't comment under the question, so I thought I might as well ask again..." CreationDate="2013-06-30T21:48:32.590" UserId="6827" />
  <row Id="1178" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="@KonstantinArdakov New questions are easier for us to notice, so it's all good." CreationDate="2013-06-30T21:51:17.510" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="1179" PostId="316" Score="9" Text="Such a feature has also been proposed and shot down on meta.math.SE, so I find it unlikely it will be incorporated here. For what it's worth, for users with 2k+ reputation this is not an issue." CreationDate="2013-06-30T22:22:58.737" UserId="13832" />
  <row Id="1700" PostId="316" Score="1" Text="A relevant discussion: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/169 ." CreationDate="2013-07-11T11:15:50.647" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="2522" PostId="316" Score="2" Text="This was extensively discussed at meta.SO, for example [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/77233/are-we-discouraged-from-fixing-typos-and-misspellings-on-stack-exchange-sites) and many other questions. The argument is that your edit costs time of two other users, who have to approve it. If this becomes great concern for MO community, it would be useful to know whether moderators can request moving privilege to edit questions lower (for example to 1k)." CreationDate="2013-08-06T05:13:02.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2545" PostId="316" Score="0" Text="+1 for clarifying you're not talking about gratuitous minor TeXification of the kind you link to" CreationDate="2013-08-06T21:27:30.200" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2546" PostId="316" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: I read the meta.SO thread which you cited.  As Jeff Atwood puts it, the purpose of the policy is to prevent low-reputation users from requesting &quot;bit-twiddling pointless edits&quot;.  I understand that goal.  On the other hand, since TeX is a programming language, there exist situations when a one-character edit to the TeX code can affect a significant portion of the post.  Jeff Atwood's suggestion in that thread is that, if a low-rep user desires that such a one-character edit be made, then the user is obligated to first request many further edits to the post.  Is this desirable?" CreationDate="2013-08-06T21:46:23.897" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="2552" PostId="316" Score="0" Text="@MichaelZieve I've retagged (and thus bumped) [a similar feature request](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/2216/minimum-suggested-edit-length) at meta.MSE. Notice the first comment, where Qiaochu Yuan, who was a mod at the time, said: *We can't tweak these kinds of features locally (as far as I know)*. If that it is indeed true and the change would have to be networkwide, I have doubts that it will be done." CreationDate="2013-08-07T05:11:03.120" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2554" PostId="316" Score="0" Text="@MichaelZieve I've [asked at meta.SO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/192227/can-minimum-character-limit-or-reputation-threshold-for-suggested-edits-be-chang) whether some limits like this can be changed for a particular site, but the only answer so far is rant why something like that is non-sense. BTW here is another feature request from meta.SO: [Change this behavior to allow for spelling corrections and the like: “Edits must be at least 6 characters”](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/82534/). A workaround is mentioned there, but it seems to be rather uncomfortable." CreationDate="2013-08-07T09:08:15.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1186" PostId="319" Score="5" Text="I am pleasantly surprised to hear that there is such a consensus, since one of the reasons I left MSE was that I felt drowned out by certain people vehemently having a go at those who urged questioners to improve their questions" CreationDate="2013-07-01T01:16:05.640" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1187" PostId="319" Score="0" Text="I must confess, I am suggesting migration for several questions which are (a) not suitable for MSE in their present form (b) might be suitable for MSE once improved in response to feedback from MSE users (c) will never be suitable, in my opinion, for MO, in which case why should I spend time persuading the users to improve the question here? But if this is unhelpful for MSE then I will stop doing this and just flag as &quot;crap&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-01T01:17:34.070" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1188" PostId="319" Score="4" Text="@YemonChoi My personal view is that MSE does not suffer from a lack of homework-like questions. That someone asked them on MO is a further sign that that someone didn't really bother to read what the site is about is unlikely to become a valuable user in either place." CreationDate="2013-07-01T01:24:20.323" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="1189" PostId="319" Score="1" Text="As a fellow math.SE moderator, I would like to add that I concur with the entirety of this answer." CreationDate="2013-07-01T01:45:49.660" UserId="13832" />
  <row Id="1191" PostId="319" Score="0" Text="Thanks Michael and @AlexBecker for the feedback. I will adjust my reasons for closing accordingly." CreationDate="2013-07-01T01:55:02.857" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1196" PostId="319" Score="7" Text="I suppose meta.mo is the wrong place to discuss m.se, but I have just about given up trying to get people to improve their questions on m.se. So often, when I try, someone else just steps in to post an answer; recently, a highly-respected m.se member told me in no uncertain terms to back off from asking posters to provide the sources of their questions. Encouraged by Michael and @Alex, I'll keep trying. Thanks." CreationDate="2013-07-01T06:10:37.560" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="1200" PostId="319" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi: please note that if one migrates a question to MSE and it gets closed there because the user isn't being clear enough about the question, **the question is bounced back to MO**. That is to say, migrated questions do not get the same &quot;second chance&quot; one has on the original site. So if you want to help the OP get and answer, and want the question to remain _off_ of MO, the best course of action is to help the OP edit it into a form where it won't be closed immediately (for any reason other than duplicate) when it gets migrated." CreationDate="2013-07-01T11:26:53.963" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1201" PostId="319" Score="0" Text="(The SE team implemented the above in part to precisely prevent communities from dumping &quot;crap&quot; on others' lawns.)" CreationDate="2013-07-01T11:28:31.547" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1202" PostId="319" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong In which 'status' does it get bounced back? (open or on hold?) If the latter nothing much seems lost. In any case I am against the idea to help improve questions here to then migrate them. The improvement-part being often the  most annoying part of the process." CreationDate="2013-07-01T11:31:39.747" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1203" PostId="319" Score="2" Text="@quid: it bounces back as On Hold. And if the OP then edits, it gets dumped in the reopen-review queue... If you do not care to help the OP improve, then may I suggest that (a) vote to close, and not to migrate and (b) leave a comment saying to the effect that &quot;a clarified version of this question may be more suitable at Math.SE&quot;. If you are not going to help the OP edit anyway, then I would prefer the OP gets spared the ping-ponging between the two sites." CreationDate="2013-07-01T11:34:15.240" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1204" PostId="319" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong: Seems reasonable to me. Only, the formulation, 'do not care to help' is sort of unfriendly, IMO." CreationDate="2013-07-01T11:40:36.577" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1205" PostId="319" Score="0" Text="@quid I meant it in the sincerest, neutral way as a statement of fact (since you stated that you find the improvement part often the most annoying). I did not intend it to be in any way accusatory. My apologies if people are offended by that formulation (unfortunately it is a bit too late for me to edit that comment)." CreationDate="2013-07-01T11:44:14.433" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1206" PostId="319" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong: thank you for the reply. I should have been more detailed regarding what issue I see. It is not only that it is annoying, in the sense of sometimes being a longish process, involving many comments and *edits* and thus bumps. But also that it seems *inefficient* to me in the sense that the user(s) that helped in the process of clarifying/improving then typically have a good grasp what is going on, better than easily inferrable from an 'improved' but typically still not that great question *plus* a long comment string. Thus in a global sense it seems unreasonable to me [cont.]" CreationDate="2013-07-01T11:59:21.197" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1207" PostId="319" Score="1" Text="@quid: you are preaching to the choir here. I understand *exactly* where you are coming from. I will not advocate a position where it becomes the duty of other users to help edit a question into a reasonable form. (The onus should always be, first and foremost, on the OP.) My point is simply that we shouldn't migrate &quot;bad questions&quot; on the assumption that there is a good question hiding in there that is suitable for some other SE site (not necessary Math.SE, but also physics, chemistry, statistics...)" CreationDate="2013-07-01T12:07:27.197" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1208" PostId="319" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong: yes, but the questions mentioned by Gerry Myerson do not strike me as so bad questions. And, if now two math.SE moderators under these questions still raise various red-flags regarding migration then this entire migration buisness will grind to a halt, IMO, since people are anyway not used to it yet. (Anyway, the one I helped to migrate was received about alright; and another one that got migrated has the mathjax edit in from me; just added not to appear as completely unhelpful person ;-) )" CreationDate="2013-07-01T12:18:34.440" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1195" PostId="320" Score="5" Text="Also: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/115/on-the-current-color-scheme-and-why-it-sucks" CreationDate="2013-07-01T04:34:47.980" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2322" PostId="320" Score="1" Text="Mariano: I have noticed your question only after posting mine [here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/552/visibility-of-links-in-comments). Did you observe the same thing as me - that the display was much better for links which you haven't previously visited?" CreationDate="2013-07-27T09:23:31.700" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4949" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="Now that you bumped this, could you perhaps also respond to the question asked by @MartinSleziak a long time ago, and depending on what the situation is potentially update the post accordingly. It could help in reproducing and thus resolving the matter." CreationDate="2013-10-28T08:26:41.237" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4950" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="Dear quid, I am pretty sure that whoever is in charge of the CSS can check than in 2 seconds. :-) In any case, no, I don't see any significant difference." CreationDate="2013-10-28T08:47:34.493" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="4951" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="Interesting. But it appears to be different for various people; see the link in Martin Sleziak's  comment (not visited links, on main, appear like the 'edit' in you screenshot). For the other point, maybe, maybe not. In any case this is in general not a good way to handle (or do) a bug-report, and even admitting your judgement is good enough to know that in this case all is fine, it sets a bad example." CreationDate="2013-10-28T09:35:12.497" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4952" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="@quid: I don't know if it's because I'm color blind or not, but the links on MathOverflow (as well &quot;favorite tags&quot; background) are very difficult to discern from the rest of the text (or questions). In the old MO it **was** slightly different, and the distinction was clearer." CreationDate="2013-10-28T10:54:42.937" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4953" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila while personally I've no problem to discern *not yet* visited links, I'd certainly be in favor to make it clearer (say via having an underline). What is basically impossible to discern for me are *visited* links, and this is what example illustrate. The issue on which I was commenting is, OP did not care to make clear after having been asked whether they are talking about just the latter or both. This might have had the unfortunate consequence that only the latter gets changed, since for example I, before the disc, was under the impression it is *only* about the visited." CreationDate="2013-10-28T11:39:30.663" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4954" PostId="320" Score="1" Text="@quid: Let's test this for a moment. [this is an unvisited link](http://you.didnot.visit.this.site.com). While [this is a visited site](http://mathoverflow.net). **Results:** Well, on a first glance, both are difficult to discern. On a second glance, the unvisited is slightly easier to notice, especially with the visited one in the comment making the distinction slightly clearer. But still both are pretty bad." CreationDate="2013-10-28T11:40:33.263" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4955" PostId="320" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila we cannot really test this here, meta is different regarding this. On meta I find both alright (only it is a bit hard to distinguish visited and not vistited but then this is not so relevant a distinction, so this is also fine). But since it is only the color I of course can understand why it can be a problem for others. Still, I think the *visited on main* (the illustrated one) is problem for more. Therefore, if the others are also problematic, I think it is important to stress this, so that all get fixed. Else only that one woudl get fixed perhaps." CreationDate="2013-10-28T11:44:34.677" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7659" PostId="320" Score="2" Text="@AnnaLear: Maybe it's time for another attempt at fixing this?" CreationDate="2014-05-04T14:55:14.523" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9135" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="Maybe it would have helped, and it could still help, had you filed a better report. ;-) Have a look at the linked but deleted one to see how one could do such things with details and all." CreationDate="2014-11-22T11:44:30.803" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1215" PostId="322" Score="5" Text="Regarding the addon question, I assume to struture meta a bit (like we have in principle on main also top level tags). And, also it could be quite helpful for the network-wide moderators to be able to filter out bug reports, support questions, feature requests from general discussions. I am not sure, but actually I would have rather tagged this support or perhaps even bug (it says unexpted behavior in the description too) than discussion." CreationDate="2013-07-01T16:32:31.227" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1216" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="I think the Open ID stuff is specific to Google Open IDs, SE needs the mail address to connect users across sites due to the way Google implemented Open ID. There is nothing specific to MO in terms of registrations as far as I know." CreationDate="2013-07-01T17:25:20.970" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1217" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="The [following tea-discussion on logging in after migration](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1620/got-locked-out-of-my-account-on-mo/) mentions a [SO-blog post](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/04/openid-one-year-later/) that could be interesting." CreationDate="2013-07-01T17:47:22.470" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1220" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="What @quid wrote is correct. On meta sites on SE you have to give some general classification to your post, and it has to be one of four general classifications. That's just how it is on meta sites." CreationDate="2013-07-01T18:55:51.857" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1221" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist: when I log in as an unregistered user on math.stackexchange using my Gmail account as my Open ID, I am *not* asked to give MSE permission to use my account information as an intermediate step between entering the information and seeing the MSE front page. That's similar to other stackexchange sites I have used except for MO after it moved to stackexchange, so what I am writing about definitely seems like something specific to MO." CreationDate="2013-07-01T19:00:07.427" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1223" PostId="322" Score="1" Text="@KConrad I tried it and it seems the permission is saved on the Google account. When I manually revoked the permission for a specific SE site and then tried to sign up, I was asked for the mail address also on other sites. You might have given MSE the permission to access this information previously." CreationDate="2013-07-01T19:08:54.340" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1224" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="It's probably that the domain isn't *.SE so google doesn't recognize that it already gave permission." CreationDate="2013-07-01T19:17:24.627" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="1226" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="If that's the reason, there should be a way to fix it: the old MO was also .net and could handle the concept of Open ID without any extra step." CreationDate="2013-07-01T19:55:45.647" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1227" PostId="322" Score="1" Text="The point is that now SE wants to receive an identifying token from the OpenID process (in order to connect network accounts), while the most basic form of OpenID authentication that google provides actually generates a new identity for each login domain." CreationDate="2013-07-01T20:05:02.470" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1228" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist: All sites lead you to enter the Gmail address on a Gmail page if that is the Open ID you choose. What is different with the new MO is that, when using Gmail for the Open ID, there is an extra page you see where you have to explicitly click Accept on Cancel to give stackexchange permission to see your address. I have used multiple stackexchange sites and that step is not on any of them except the new MO. Did you see an Accept/Cancel page on any other stackexchange site when registering with Gmail as your Open ID?" CreationDate="2013-07-01T20:35:02.440" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1229" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: Can you clarify what you mean by connecting network accounts, maybe with an example? Is this an effect of retaining the URL mathoverflow.net instead of switching it to, say, mathoverflow.stackexchange.com?" CreationDate="2013-07-01T20:36:48.680" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1230" PostId="322" Score="1" Text="@KConrad: my rough understanding is that for Google OpenID  for *different* sites they give out different indentifying info *for the same email*. So you could have accounts on various different (SE) sites, without SE being able to tell that these accounts come from one and the same email, so SE would not be able to automatically connect these accounts (which one can consider as a disadvantage or also an advantage). The view taken here is the former and *therefore* they ask explcitly for the email not just the indentifier (as it is different for different sites, in the network)." CreationDate="2013-07-01T20:54:13.507" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1232" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="@quid: OK, maybe that explains things, but I don't know why the process of registration for the new MO can't be identical to that of any other stackexchange site, for which such an explicit request never occurs. Is this essentially an effect of the URL for the new MO not ending in  stackexchange.com?  I'd think such a glitch ought to be fixable in some way." CreationDate="2013-07-02T01:35:38.887" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1233" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="@KConrad, I have in mind SE being able to relate accounts on, for example MO and math.SE. This is not quite a side effect of retaining mathoverflow.net instead of switching to mathoverflow.stackexchange.com, but rather the existence of some SE site which does not use *.stackexchange.com. There are plenty of these already (e.g. the original stackoverflow.com), so our arrival changed nothing." CreationDate="2013-07-02T01:37:18.880" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1234" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="Does logging in to, say, AskUbuntu.com with google OpenID ask for permission to share the email address?" CreationDate="2013-07-02T01:39:41.513" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1235" PostId="322" Score="1" Text="I seem to get the permission request at all SE sites, regardless of the domain name." CreationDate="2013-07-02T01:44:18.893" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1236" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="@KConrad: why it is different for *you* for all other sites *you* use might be explained by what Scott Morrison just said (all others are se.com). It is however still surprising for me why you are asked on MO all the time. I was asked once, and never since again, while using MO on different computers with different IP and everything so it cannot be cookies or something like this. It might be the email-address you have in your profile (if it is different from the one you use for OpenID) and even more so if in the MO profile it is different than for the others, but this is a pure guess." CreationDate="2013-07-02T01:44:20.083" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1237" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: do you get them *once* (just the first time) or all the time. I think what KConrad finds starnge, and I agree, is that he seems to be asked all the time." CreationDate="2013-07-02T01:47:01.067" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1239" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="@quid:I only use Open ID on MO and other stackexchange sites, and there is no inconsistent use of my email address across different sites." CreationDate="2013-07-02T03:15:26.143" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1281" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="@KConrad: In that case, there is no point in using Google as your OpenID provider. You can register an OpenID directly from SE (who are also a provider), and use that for your SE accounts. This should avoid various OpenID verification nuisances. (I’ve done just that for a different reason: my original provider, myopenid.com, is down more often than not.)" CreationDate="2013-07-02T15:22:08.813" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="1376" PostId="322" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek: the solution described by Shog9 below solved my problem without having to change my use of a Gmail address as the OpenID. See also Noah's comment to Shog9's answer." CreationDate="2013-07-04T13:22:30.800" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1231" PostId="325" Score="6" Text="Moderators can convert answers into comments, you're right about that." CreationDate="2013-07-01T22:09:12.527" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1265" PostId="325" Score="3" Text="This is best answered by 10K and Mods on MO (of which group I do not belong). But it maybe useful to see [my perspective](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/2918/1543) when the same question came up in Math.SE. At the end of the day, there's a certain degree of subjective ambiguity as to whether a post should or should not be a comment instead. It is almost inevitable that sometimes someone will see things differently from the moderator who happened to end up dealing with the flag." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:03:34.130" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1267" PostId="325" Score="1" Text="@WillieWong: thank you for the perspective. Could I ask you (or anybody who knows) a technical question related to this: I was under vague impression that there are three options to handle a flag: a) follow what is recommened by flag, b) decline, and this is the unclear part c) do not follow what is flagged but still mark as helpful. Does this c) exist? And, if so, do you use this, or decline in the ambigous cases where you disagree?" CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:14:58.457" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1268" PostId="325" Score="1" Text="Yes, (c) exists. I don't entirely agree with your characterisation of the split, I think of (a) more as &quot;certain actions automatically cause a flag to be marked as helpful&quot;. [This page may help](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/4328/capture-the-flag-faq-on-flagging). As to your final question: I generally only decline when I strongly disagree with the flag (sometimes for technical reasons like &quot;this is something that can be dealt with by the community through votes, and not something that a moderator needs to interfere&quot;.)" CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:17:31.763" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1273" PostId="325" Score="1" Text="If I find a flag ambiguous I usually leave it be for other moderators to look at (as in, I neither mark as helpful nor decline it). One of the advantages of having multiple moderators is that one person doesn't have to deal with all the flags. In fact, moderators can open &quot;moderator-only chatrooms&quot; to discuss how to handle more ambiguous or potentially controversial issues." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:22:01.050" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1275" PostId="325" Score="1" Text="@WillieWong: This page seems very detailed, thank you; I send a virtual +1 to those having written it. I agree your characterization of a) seems better." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:26:31.857" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1255" PostId="328" Score="0" Text="It arrives open (once threshold is reached) on math.SE and also instantly. I think votes are stripped away, at least downvotes (I think also some comments, but not sure about this). If you click on a [migrated] question here you will be taken to the version on the other site (though 'our' version still exists). This works for moving to math.SE and our own meta (the options listed), see  http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/141/what-outgoing-migration-paths-should-we-have for a discussion to have more options; if you want to migrate to other sites flag for mods as they can do this." CreationDate="2013-07-02T11:39:47.927" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1254" PostId="330" Score="1" Text="There used to be an @all (for all people in the conversation I assume) that was discontinued. As Manishearth explains SE is I think very hesitant to add the ability to easily notify many people in order to avoid noise. I can understand this to some extent but also find *one* notification per comment a bit too restrictive and thus would support the idea to increase the number of people that can be notified per comment while still having some limit. Somewhat relatded http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/197/a-gap-in-the-notification-system/" CreationDate="2013-07-02T11:18:35.030" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1262" PostId="330" Score="2" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/85771/is-single-comment-to-notify-several-users-a-reasonable-idea" CreationDate="2013-07-02T13:57:09.633" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1256" PostId="331" Score="0" Text="On the footnote: I only did this once, but I am sure it was not all 5, and I even think there were only 2 'off-topic as for other site' (ie, migrate)  and 3 'standard off-topic' so I do not even think there needs to be a majority (at least if the other reasons are sort of compatible). I do not know the full details." CreationDate="2013-07-02T11:42:19.750" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1297" PostId="331" Score="0" Text="How do I vote to migrate something to the statistics site, which is probably called Cross Validated?" CreationDate="2013-07-02T19:36:31.760" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1304" PostId="331" Score="0" Text="@will you can't (not until you fet a migration path). Custom flag it." CreationDate="2013-07-02T21:29:34.810" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="26189" PostId="331" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth Feta migration? Mmm, cheese." CreationDate="2021-07-12T19:00:52.870" UserId="61630" />
  <row Id="1241" PostId="332" Score="2" Text="PS: I hate that 15 second timer reset thing." CreationDate="2013-07-02T06:21:22.583" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1287" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="Ok, that's about what I expected.  I'll try to figure out this &quot;chat&quot; thing I keep hearing about.  I've grown accustomed to seeing all question-related discussion on the same page as the question (and, based on not having tried it any other way, I see this as a feature), and I have yet to find a &quot;chat&quot; button.  But I trust that the SE team has thought more about these things than I have." CreationDate="2013-07-02T17:27:01.650" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="1288" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="@TheoJohnson-Freyd: perhaps I am taking your comment in a too literal way, but the &quot;chat&quot; button is right at the top of the page (next to meta/main depending on where you are). Note however that (I think) there are still some issues with joining chat; see several relevant meta-questions." CreationDate="2013-07-02T17:40:27.637" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1290" PostId="332" Score="1" Text="@quid I mean, one that somehow connects to any particular question.  In any case, I really am mostly interested in situations where I'm not trying to have a long discussion, but trying to respond to related comments that point out related problems (or even that incorrectly suggest fixes)." CreationDate="2013-07-02T17:43:20.977" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="1305" PostId="332" Score="1" Text="@theo oh, it's fine to have a short discussion, it would get cumbersome if you had to make a  chatroom every time. If you sense it becoming long (&gt;10 comments), then create the room. Leave a link in the comments for completeness. Also, note that you will be prompted with &quot;would you like to [automatically move this to chat]&quot; if a comment thread gets long. While you _can_ ignore it, try to use it: it sets up the chatroom and all in one click" CreationDate="2013-07-02T21:34:33.377" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1306" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="A note: these are SE guidelines.  As a moderator on Physics I manually shift long conversations to chat and try to encourage its use, however MO mods are free to not enforce this, imo." CreationDate="2013-07-02T21:37:36.173" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1251" PostId="333" Score="2" Text="Thank you for the information. I was not aware *this* flag was also visible under tools, I should have checked. (I was used to having there only spam/offensive from the old MO.) I think this makes even more relevant to have a discussion about the subject, as more people (mods *and* 10k+) can disagree with or support this type of flag." CreationDate="2013-07-02T11:03:18.600" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1242" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="This does not reflect how things look for me.  My cookies always clear when I close a browser, so when I go to a SE site I am asked to provide an Open ID. I always use the same Gmail account, and for any SE site I am sent to a Gmail page to enter an account name and password. After that, for SE sites other than MO I am then sent to the front page. Only for MO do I get sent instead to a page asking me to confirm or cancel permission for SE to see my account name, and that always happens.  See the tea link that quid provides above; it shows you a second user who is experiencing this issue too." CreationDate="2013-07-02T07:25:30.897" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1243" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="@KConrad That.. should not happen. Try this: Go to your profile, click &quot;my logins&quot;, and then &quot;add logins&quot; (add your Google login again). It ought to ask you for &quot;permission&quot;, but if you log out and log back in again that _should_ stop happening." CreationDate="2013-07-02T07:29:59.140" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1244" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="What's _probably_ happening here is that Google is detecting a change in MO (the IP, or something else), but that change is not properly logged." CreationDate="2013-07-02T07:31:30.647" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1245" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="I tried that, but when I logged back in I again get the prompt asking for permission for SE to see my Gmail account name (what always happens every time, just on MO)." CreationDate="2013-07-02T07:36:45.507" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1246" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="@KConrad hmm. You probably should retag your question as a [bug] then (better visibility for the developers)" CreationDate="2013-07-02T07:37:53.800" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1247" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="@KConrad, you may want to have a look at here to see what is going on: https://plus.google.com/u/0/apps" CreationDate="2013-07-02T08:01:12.087" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1270" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: I retagged. Thanks for the suggestion." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:19:30.560" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1271" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: The link in your comment took me to an empty page about managing apps, with no information on it at all. What did you intend to be seen from the link you used?" CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:20:54.787" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1283" PostId="334" Score="1" Text="@kconrad it should show a list of websites that you have connected with Google via OpenID" CreationDate="2013-07-02T15:27:22.823" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1285" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="@KConrad: since you actually did *not* retag, I assumed an oversight (failure to save due to new interface perhaps?) and did it." CreationDate="2013-07-02T16:22:33.737" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1261" PostId="337" Score="4" Text="My guess is that someone deleted their account and part of that led to some reputation loss on your behalf (maybe they voted on one of your questions)." CreationDate="2013-07-02T13:52:08.963" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1263" PostId="337" Score="2" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126470/what-does-user-was-removed-mean-and-why-did-my-reputation-change-because-of-it" CreationDate="2013-07-02T13:58:05.967" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="1266" PostId="337" Score="11" Text="IIRC, you also lose reputation points in MO1.0 if someone deletes the account. But in MO1.0 the loss is &quot;silent&quot; (you don't get notified) and &quot;asynchronous&quot; (the loss may show up some time later when a reputation recalculation is triggered). The SE2 software make reputation computations much more real-time and transparent." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:10:55.900" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1269" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong : I never had that happen to me on MO1.0 -- I think I would've noticed a sudden drop like that, no matter when it occurred." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:17:38.550" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1272" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="There ought to be a &quot;show removed posts&quot; checkbox at the bottom of your reputation history. Does it not show when you tick it?" CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:21:24.807" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="1274" PostId="337" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble It may mean also that no-one who has upvoted you had his or her account deleted while on MO1.0.... `:-)`" CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:25:27.177" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1276" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Andras. I ticked it, but I don't see it." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:27:32.473" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1277" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="Yes, Willie, I figured that." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:28:05.523" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1279" PostId="337" Score="6" Text="@WillieWong (and Todd Trimble): it is my understanding that on MO1.0 rep recalcs essentially *only* happened, when a mod triggered it *manually* for some user, that is to say never for almost everybody. I know I had the points for some self or otherwise deleted answers for months or even years. Only upon the move did the rep go away." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:47:14.123" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1282" PostId="339" Score="0" Text="Interesting, however note that nobody has ever had this problem with [so]/[su], which have their own domain too." CreationDate="2013-07-02T15:26:28.677" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1284" PostId="339" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: this is suprising to me, perhaps they handle it differently there, and add the (other) OpenID string(s) *automatically* as a &quot;fingerprint&quot; on confirmation *once*, which at least naively would make sense, and this somehow does not work for MO (either by design or not). But then there  seem to be some other things too (this chat thing for example) where MO (understandably) is not yet fully integrated so it might also be related to this. As said I do not really know what is going on. But, something along these lines seems like a potential explanation for what we see." CreationDate="2013-07-02T15:31:41.940" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1363" PostId="339" Score="2" Text="Good theory, but... Google generates a distinct OpenID for every subdomain of stackexchange.com too. This is why one of the big changes from SE 1.0 to the current software is the use of email addresses as primary credentials when possible (that is, when they can be trusted) - Google will return the same email regardless of which domain you log into. Of course, the downside of this is that changing the email associated with your Google account breaks things... As a hundred or so MO users recently found out." CreationDate="2013-07-04T05:35:25.233" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="1278" PostId="340" Score="1" Text="Thanks for pointing that out. I think the construct should be `\\[ ... \\]` in order to disambiguate the displayed math environment from an escaped opening bracket. Doing this, the preview looks fine." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:28:36.710" UserId="29555" />
  <row Id="1295" PostId="341" Score="1" Text="An MO subreddit?" CreationDate="2013-07-02T19:09:11.107" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="1296" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="MathOverflow does have a chat function.  Do people use it?" CreationDate="2013-07-02T19:10:51.077" UserId="1358" />
  <row Id="1299" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="@JohnMangual: some yes (not me though). To the right of the page there are two links, below an information regarding the number of people chatting. One to the general MO room  one to one called homotopy theory. Following the link you can read the transcripts and see for yourself. For the general room (I do not know for the other) I would say not much yet. However, there is also some log-in-issue at the moment (in the process of being resolved) which might or might not contribute to this. But without log-in in you can see the transcript to get an idea." CreationDate="2013-07-02T19:45:57.850" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1286" PostId="343" Score="2" Text="I had a turtle. By accident, my brothers hit it with a soccer ball." CreationDate="2013-07-02T17:20:18.770" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1289" PostId="343" Score="0" Text="It's is true about blogs, dogs and goldfishes.  I guess, I meant that people are using &quot;questions&quot; as free math-enabled web hosting.  We may as well let people write things that don't require answers, per se." CreationDate="2013-07-02T17:41:34.453" UserId="1358" />
  <row Id="1291" PostId="343" Score="4" Text="@JohnMangual: what is the merit of doing this on a Q&amp;A site? AFAIK various blogs support math-content just fine. There is the n-Lab, too. There is Wikipedia. There is Planet Math. There are many things to write some mathematics somewhere on the internet. If you do not want to ask a question why would you want to do so on a Q&amp;A site." CreationDate="2013-07-02T18:04:36.363" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1292" PostId="343" Score="0" Text="@johnmangual I agree whole-heartedly with quid." CreationDate="2013-07-02T18:12:26.520" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1293" PostId="343" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi This is not a suggestion or recommendation.  This is an observation of what is already happening.  People are finding creative ways to fit their thoughts into MO's tightly-regulated  Q&amp;A format.  Perhaps Wordpress and Wikipedia are sufficient." CreationDate="2013-07-02T18:58:17.300" UserId="1358" />
  <row Id="1294" PostId="343" Score="1" Text="@John: I suppose that if one treats this like a seminar with guest lecturers it could be nice. Someone writes a post, then someone else writes one, perhaps someone writes two posts on a slightly larger topic. If those topics are accessible enough, and interesting then it could be fun. But in order to succeed in the task of maintaining such &quot;seminar&quot; you would need quite a large user base that have actively agreed to participate. That would be a very nice, but very difficult as well." CreationDate="2013-07-02T19:01:01.470" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1310" PostId="343" Score="1" Text="If people are using questions to expound, this is not with any kind of support from me, and I really really really really really really really really really wish they wouldn't" CreationDate="2013-07-03T00:22:14.620" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1335" PostId="343" Score="0" Text="@JohnMangual:  though this is not much done on this site, and might or might not cause some opposition if it were done, yet is endoresed by general SE-philosophy, the *correct* way to do this on SE-sites is to still ask a question and then *also* provide an answer." CreationDate="2013-07-03T13:15:35.997" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1298" PostId="345" Score="6" Text="I think there were previous requests for links to be disabled in close and flag dialogs on MSO. There is no reason to ever follow the links from there, disabling them would be the easiest way to solve this problem." CreationDate="2013-07-02T19:42:04.287" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1362" PostId="345" Score="4" Text="Relevant MSO-links: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/184471/delinkify-links-in-ot-close-reasons&#xA;, &#xA;http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/136270/can-the-links-be-disabled-in-the-vote-to-close-dialog" CreationDate="2013-07-04T05:10:44.233" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="1301" PostId="346" Score="0" Text="Using `[tag:sometagname]` creates nice formatting and a link to the tag. I tried to add this but a parallel edit undid it. If you want you can do this, but it is of course not important." CreationDate="2013-07-02T20:14:00.323" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1302" PostId="346" Score="0" Text="One thing that I would guess happened is that people looked at the site you suggested and saw that it was not &quot;serious&quot; enough.  I would feel bizarre posting things about my research on a website that seems mostly geared towards marketing and trendy business type stuff.  This lead them to consider the question as not being a serious question." CreationDate="2013-07-02T20:23:39.927" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="1303" PostId="346" Score="5" Text="My problem was (though I cannot vote) that I did not see a clear question which can be answered. You offered a topic for discussuion, which is quite interesting and has potential, but MO is not the right place to discuss." CreationDate="2013-07-02T21:04:54.610" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="1308" PostId="346" Score="0" Text="@AndrásBátkai There doesn't seem to be a good place to discuss such questions at the moment." CreationDate="2013-07-02T23:52:45.513" UserId="1358" />
  <row Id="1309" PostId="346" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman Because we are serious mathematicians we would be less organized and less effective communicators?  Is that what you are saying?" CreationDate="2013-07-02T23:53:37.207" UserId="1358" />
  <row Id="1312" PostId="346" Score="0" Text="@JohnMangual I did not vote to close, but [some &quot;top&quot; examples](http://de.slideshare.net/soappresentations/how-to-use-outstanding-visual-language-in-a-presentation-part-i) on slideshare look as if they came out of Tufte's [The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint](http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Style-PowerPoint-Pitching-Corrupts/dp/0961392169/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1372819118&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=tufte+powerpoint). That is definitely not effective communication." CreationDate="2013-07-03T02:39:13.997" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="1316" PostId="346" Score="4" Text="The fact that there is no good place to discuss some subject does not mean it belongs on MO." CreationDate="2013-07-03T06:39:51.267" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="1317" PostId="346" Score="0" Text="side note: you can use the tag [meta-tag:scope] for discussions about what is/should be on-topic/off-topic." CreationDate="2013-07-03T06:52:32.750" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1334" PostId="346" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: thanks for this remark. It was me who added the tag [tag:allowed-questions] that already existed too. I think we might want to use [tag:scope] for broader discussions and [tag:allowed-questions] more for individual questions. This one is a bit in the middle." CreationDate="2013-07-03T13:08:17.543" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1338" PostId="346" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker **We** don't have to be that gimmicky.  Just more organized.  If we copied Edward Tufte's better examples, talks would be a lot more fun." CreationDate="2013-07-03T13:36:19.493" UserId="1358" />
  <row Id="1307" PostId="347" Score="10" Text="Seems like an excellent request! (Everyone should vote up feature requests they like, just in case that isn't obvious.)" CreationDate="2013-07-02T23:11:59.370" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2543" PostId="347" Score="5" Text="Interestingly, on Meta the title starts with the question and doesn't include the tag." CreationDate="2013-08-06T16:50:35.543" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="1320" PostId="352" Score="16" Text="I would think that the words in the title are an infinitely more significant in locating a question than the tags, so even if this is supposed to be helping search engines find relevant things, it is sort of backwards..." CreationDate="2013-07-03T07:14:20.023" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="1321" PostId="352" Score="1" Text="@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez, I am not an expert on the issue, you can read more from the links posted [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/71950/153230). I think the easier way to solve the issue is probably using a _user script_ to remove the tags from the titles." CreationDate="2013-07-03T07:16:22.457" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1322" PostId="352" Score="6" Text="The tag in the title is essential for sites like SO and Arqade which often omit important keywords in the title and put them into a tag. But I don't think this is valid for all sites, and [I've asked for this to be changed on Skeptics a while back](http://meta.skeptics.stackexchange.com/q/1273/5)." CreationDate="2013-07-03T07:39:14.477" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1329" PostId="352" Score="2" Text="@MadScientist, I personally think topic classification is essential for most of other sites also. Let me add that [we have made a similar request 2 years ago on cstheory](http://meta.cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/861/title-text-tag-then-question-name). As long as the issue explained by Jeff continues it is unlikely that SE will change its position regarding these requests. It seems they cannot even change this for users who are logged in because of search engine rules." CreationDate="2013-07-03T08:17:53.080" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1389" PostId="352" Score="1" Text="I took your advice, @Kaveh, and wrote a tiny script. I added it in an edit to my question." CreationDate="2013-07-04T16:11:35.523" UserId="644" />
  <row Id="1395" PostId="352" Score="0" Text="@Omar, nice :) btw, you can also use [Grease Monkey](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/) addon if you use Firefox or [Tamper Monkey](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tampermonkey/dhdgffkkebhmkfjojejmpbldmpobfkfo?hl=en) if you use Chrome. There might be also some similar script on [userscripts.org](https://userscripts.org/)." CreationDate="2013-07-04T17:56:29.340" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1396" PostId="352" Score="0" Text="Here is another one: https://userscripts.org/scripts/review/92973" CreationDate="2013-07-04T17:58:31.033" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1497" PostId="352" Score="7" Text="@Kaveh, having the word «algebra» displayed in title windows is close to useless to us...." CreationDate="2013-07-06T19:40:44.040" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="1498" PostId="352" Score="0" Text="@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez, I agree." CreationDate="2013-07-06T19:48:14.013" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1327" PostId="353" Score="5" Text="The questions doesn't seem to _require_ the expertise of a _researcher_ in mathematics. You are essentially asking how should a student develop the skill for finding counterexamples generally. This seems more suitable for [math.se]." CreationDate="2013-07-03T08:12:55.770" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1330" PostId="353" Score="5" Text="I must say I have mixed feeling about this question. First I should point out that I would love to see what sort of answers it might attract, but I am still not sure I find it a good fit for MO. For one thing, it would have to focus on how to find examples and counter examples while doing research to truly fit into the scope, but that could be amended with a simple edit. But generally, the soft nature of the question puts it clearly into the &quot;please don't ask these until you have a very good sense of the site, and even then, there is no telling how it will be received&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-03T09:03:15.650" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="1332" PostId="353" Score="3" Text="In view of the question (on main) it is perhaps worth stressing that there are numerous research mathematicians and professors active on the site mentioned by @Kaveh. Overall it seems a much better fit for that site. (The email-question you link to was asked when this other site was non-existant or at least very recent and not yet that developped.)" CreationDate="2013-07-03T12:59:15.803" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1346" PostId="353" Score="2" Text="Clarification: I think a question by an instructor who wants to know how to teach something is different from a question from a student who wants to know how to learn something, they have different answers. I think questions by teachers about teaching can be on-topic while questions by undergraduate students are probably more suitable for [math.se]." CreationDate="2013-07-03T18:16:11.747" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1347" PostId="353" Score="1" Text="Three questions that I ask myself when deciding if a question I have is suitable for MO: 1. is there a good reason to think researchers in mathematics can answer the question in a satisfying way? 2. is there a good reason to think answering the question really requires the expertise and knowledge of a researcher in mathematics? 3. is there a good reason to believe the question is interesting for researchers in mathematics (as researchers in mathematics)? If all are answered positively, then the question is likely to be suitable for MO, otherwise it is probably not." CreationDate="2013-07-03T18:18:05.350" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1355" PostId="353" Score="1" Text="Your question was not put on hold for being &quot;off-topic&quot; but rather for being &quot;too broad&quot;. With regard to the latter: Even asking about a particular area (e.g., How to discover counterexamples in topology) would probably still be too broad. (Though for that parenthetical area: You would probably just get comments about the book &quot;Counterexamples in Topology&quot;.) If you wish to read a bit about finding counterexamples, Eric Knuth's work on conceptions of proof and Liping Ma's work on Chinese versus US teachers' understandings are both good places to look (in the Mathematics Education literature)." CreationDate="2013-07-03T22:30:50.767" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="1356" PostId="353" Score="1" Text="For more on student understandings of counterexamples (again, I cite from the Mathematics Education literature) search google scholar for work by Orit Zaslavsky: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=counterexamples+zaslavsky&amp;btnG=&amp;hl=en&amp;as_sdt=0%2C22 I am not sure if this will help at all with your own ability to &quot;discover&quot; counterexamples, but perhaps it would be of interest." CreationDate="2013-07-03T22:34:02.080" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="1373" PostId="353" Score="3" Text="@BenjaminDickman: please note the question got closed twice, the first time (after which this question was asked) indeed as &quot;off-topic&quot; only then as you say as &quot;too broad&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-04T13:03:04.813" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2111" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminDickman: Thank you very much. I will look into that author." CreationDate="2013-07-20T02:32:04.653" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="2116" PostId="353" Score="1" Text="It appears that my original question has now been deleted. There were numerous answers before its closure, many of which received many upvotes, so the answers proved very helpful and the deletion feels woeful. Thus, could my question please be reinstated?" CreationDate="2013-07-20T02:52:40.130" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="2129" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="I agreee the question should rather not be deleted (and voted to undelete; there is one undelete vote missing). [If it does not get undeleted soon, if I were you I would flag for moderators with the request; also I might do so if I do not forget.]" CreationDate="2013-07-20T13:44:20.390" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2206" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="@quid: Many thanks for your comment. I have flagged this question for the moderators." CreationDate="2013-07-24T02:40:43.473" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="14324" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="The question has been undeleted." CreationDate="2017-05-01T12:54:09.477" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="1331" PostId="354" Score="0" Text="On a procedural note: why is this (already) posted here, when the question had already its own meta question? (In addition to being still on the frontpage, even now hours later, so it was presumably fairly to the top when this was posted.)" CreationDate="2013-07-03T12:55:54.880" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1339" PostId="354" Score="1" Text="@quid, I didn't see that meta question. There was no link to it at the original, and nothing in the name of the meta question to draw my attention to its relevance here. Shall I withdraw this question?" CreationDate="2013-07-03T13:38:27.870" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="1340" PostId="354" Score="2" Text="thank you for the reply. I do not think it is necessary to withdraw this post now. My comment was also meant to help form some consensus when one should post here. I take you reply as you agreeing with me that in principle one should rather not do so in parallel with an existing meta-disussion on the question. I agree the meta-question in this case was hard to notice, which I tried to fix now, before even noticing you reply." CreationDate="2013-07-03T13:43:06.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="21097" PostId="355" Score="1" Text="I will add a link to a similar (at least to some extent) post on [math.meta.se]: [List of chatrooms](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/26814)." CreationDate="2019-09-28T22:32:15.877" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27700" PostId="355" Score="1" Text="Perhaps it is worth mentioning that there is a separate discussion here on meta related to the Homotopy Theory chat room: [Homotopy chat room](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/221)." CreationDate="2022-09-21T05:17:42.723" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1333" PostId="356" Score="0" Text="It might be more effective to just start a room, and inhabit it for a while.  If one doesn't have enough reputation to start a room, answer or ask enough questions in that area until one does." CreationDate="2013-07-03T13:07:23.437" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="1336" PostId="356" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger An unused chat room with just 1 person in it will not seem attractive to most people, so it will not in itself make people start using it. That is why I made this thread." CreationDate="2013-07-03T13:24:20.067" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="1337" PostId="356" Score="0" Text="Indeed.  So when you make it, start using it.  People will then get a good idea from the existing transcript if they want to contribute, but people are more likely to join/contribute if there is an existing room as well as a (non-meta) question and comment pointing to the room." CreationDate="2013-07-03T13:30:05.547" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="1555" PostId="356" Score="0" Text="Room created and an initial question/topic for discussion posted. Come one come all!" CreationDate="2013-07-08T09:37:10.110" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="1366" PostId="360" Score="5" Text="If anyone solves the Riemannian hypothess  with the help of MO, all proceeds from the CMI go to Anton ;-)" CreationDate="2013-07-04T07:15:22.497" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1741" PostId="360" Score="2" Text="I have a somewhat related question about phrasing: why not change the FAQ from &quot;MathOverflow is not the right place to ask open problems.&quot; to &quot;&quot;MathOverflow is not the right place to ask *well known* open problems.&quot; I now understand what's meant by this, and the following paragraph clarifies matters somewhat, but when I first joined I was confused whether already formulated conjectures (like http://mathoverflow.net/questions/84958) were frowned upon." CreationDate="2013-07-12T09:30:38.270" UserId="5621" />
  <row Id="1742" PostId="360" Score="0" Text="@BradRodgers: thank you for your input. I intend to reactivate this discussion over the week-end. Either with a specific proposal of a text, or with some follow-up question I might have in the process. I  intend to address the point you raised in doing so." CreationDate="2013-07-12T09:38:41.880" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1929" PostId="360" Score="0" Text="@BradRodgers: this is just to let you know I posted the announced draft in case you are interested and would like to provide some feedback." CreationDate="2013-07-14T22:27:24.550" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1364" PostId="361" Score="3" Text="I had the same problem as Keith, though I hadn't realized it since I stay logged in all the time.  When I followed Shog9's instructions I found that mathoverflow.net was listed *twice*.  I revoked one of them and it automatically revoked both.  Then following the rest of these instructions indeed fixed the problem." CreationDate="2013-07-04T05:40:10.933" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="1375" PostId="361" Score="1" Text="Perfect! This solved the problem completely." CreationDate="2013-07-04T13:20:11.603" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1368" PostId="362" Score="3" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/users?tab=moderators" CreationDate="2013-07-04T08:56:40.967" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1369" PostId="362" Score="1" Text="On your add-on (final phrase): do you have a specific concern related to some event, or is this just a general thought?" CreationDate="2013-07-04T10:23:20.657" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1403" PostId="362" Score="0" Text="My preceding comment refers to an earlier version of the question, as well as my answer. Could you please not significantly change your question via an edit. Thanks in advance." CreationDate="2013-07-04T20:00:01.570" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1406" PostId="362" Score="0" Text="The [meta-tag:policy] tag should be removed from this question. In place of it you can use [meta-tag:moderation]." CreationDate="2013-07-04T20:12:57.463" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1416" PostId="363" Score="4" Text="We don't have the concept of chat-only moderators. Owners of each room do have certain special privileges that can be used to handle _most_ janitorial tasks that come up, such as moving chunks of a conversation that really went off topic elsewhere. As far as more chronic abusive behavior goes, chat flags are seen network wide, so any Math Overflow moderator currently in chat would see them." CreationDate="2013-07-05T04:25:48.543" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="1371" PostId="364" Score="8" Text="@skullpatrol Manishearth is a moderator on other sites, and is just doing his best to be of assistance as folks arrive with questions on how all of the new stuff works. The existing Math Overflow moderation team is very much in force, and very hard at work." CreationDate="2013-07-04T11:44:23.537" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="1414" PostId="364" Score="0" Text="@skullpatrol You're using &quot;force&quot; in a completely different context than I did. I sad &quot;Are in force&quot; meaning &quot;Are in effect&quot;. I've revised my answer accordingly." CreationDate="2013-07-05T04:04:18.657" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="1372" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the contribution to the discussion. I agree about the first part. To some extent also with the second part, though I do not like the polynomial question that much myself. However, what I do not quite follow or perhaps understand is your proposal regarding very prominent open problems. So, someone should ask: is every even integer greater 2 the sum of two primes? And, then somebody replies this is known as Golbach's conjecture and then we reproduce first some sort of Wikipedia page of it and then various ancounts on it. Is this the idea or somethig else?" CreationDate="2013-07-04T12:58:25.120" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1374" PostId="365" Score="6" Text="I don't see a problem with someone asking Goldbach's conjecture on MO. But they would look very foolish, in my opinion, to ask the question without mentioning that it is Goldbach's conjecture. So probably such questions would be correctly labeled in the question itself (and title). I don't see the need to reproduce a wikipedia page, and for this reason probably wouldn't vote up someone who did, but if someone wanted to do it, what is the harm? If we had GBC on MO, then if there were ever some partial progress on it or related matters, we might get an answer update. Wouldn't this work well?" CreationDate="2013-07-04T13:07:21.490" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="1379" PostId="365" Score="2" Text="We might want to distinguish two things, which in my opinion are quite different: (a) asking an open problem on MO and (b) asking (something) *about* an open problem. What I write above is what I understand under (a)  (in this case done for Goldbach conjecture). Since you consider doing this as making one look very foolish, we might want to consider to disourage doing it (and perhaps also to close it when it happens). In brief I think we should discourage (a) but I have in principle no problem with (b), at least not when done in a reasonable way (I will elaborate on what I mean by this later)." CreationDate="2013-07-04T13:49:34.823" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1381" PostId="365" Score="1" Text="I had meant in my &quot;foolish&quot; remark merely that such questions would be edited so that they would be properly described in the question and title, for example, as  &quot;Goldbach's conjecture&quot;. I don't think we should close such questions down." CreationDate="2013-07-04T14:28:34.967" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="1383" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the clarification. But does this actually work? If somebody were to ask my question, so then it would be edited to &quot;Is Golbach's conjectured already proved?&quot; This then is first in a formal sense already type (b), so one could infer you agree (a) is not good, after all you suggest to edit it into type (b) and thus to effectively delete this type (a) question. But this particular one does not strike me as a very reasonable question to ask either. If it would be more specific I would have no problem though. This is what I mean roughly speaking with (b) in a reasonable way." CreationDate="2013-07-04T14:36:46.777" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1384" PostId="365" Score="1" Text="I think it would work well. Note that asking Goldbach's conjecture is not the same as asking whether it is already proved. And editing a question is not the same as closing or deleting it; sigh.  Meanwhile, I would enjoy seeing more open questions on the main site. I really doubt that I know of them all already..." CreationDate="2013-07-04T14:59:56.647" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="1386" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="Perhaps could you give the specific edit of my question you have in mind. Say, do you propose to leave the question as-is and just add this is also known as Goldbach's conjecture? Or, to edit it into: Do you know a proof for Goldbach's conjecture? Sorry for the many comments, but it is truly unclear to me how this should work well." CreationDate="2013-07-04T15:11:49.897" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1387" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="On the other matter: yes it is not the same, though in the end there is no effective difference between editing a question *a lot* and closing the original and reasking a new one. But, my point is, since you seem to agree that the question I mentioned should not be left as is, I do not see why you would be against *discouraging*, which is what I suggested (the closing was only parenthetical with an added perhaps), it being asked in the first place *in this form*." CreationDate="2013-07-04T15:17:08.373" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1388" PostId="365" Score="4" Text="I think I would prefer to just stand by answer, which is clear enough: I think we should explicitly welcome open questions." CreationDate="2013-07-04T15:39:37.137" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="1405" PostId="365" Score="8" Text="I think we can welcome them but at the same time have a higher expected standard for questions asking open problems. I don't think the real issue is being an open problem or a &quot;closed&quot; problem. What is important is that it should be clear what the OP is looking for (what would be an acceptable answer?) and it should be possible to answer it in principle. For example, if someone directly asks for a solution to a &quot;closed&quot; problem like FLT would that be fine? I don't think so. It would probably get closed as too broad or unclear. I think same applies to open problems." CreationDate="2013-07-04T20:05:22.280" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1931" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="I am not quite sure who is notified of what, so I comment here that I put up a draft (as an asnwer here) for the open problem section of the revised faqs. I would be happy if you would provide some feedback." CreationDate="2013-07-14T22:30:54.593" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1965" PostId="365" Score="15" Text="I am quite leary of allowing open problems for two reasons: (1) Goldbach's Conjecture, Twin Prime Conjecture, Riemann Hypothesis would be like opening the floodgates to crank posts, and (2) attributions and credits could get very messy, especially with the damned point system muddying matters. Oh and (3) asking a famous open question is the easiest and laziest thing in the world; do we really want to upvote questions that take no thought up to the skies?  Much better would be a kind of polymath divide-and-conquer approach, where big problems are broken down to smaller ones in an organized way." CreationDate="2013-07-15T17:05:04.600" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1971" PostId="365" Score="4" Text="I concur with Todd. Even for something which isn't a crank magnet, like &quot;does ${\rm H}^\infty({\bf D})$ have Grothendieck's approximation property?&quot;, I think asking the question without showing any sign of being able to contribute meaningfully is unhealthy." CreationDate="2013-07-15T19:52:08.200" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1378" PostId="366" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: two comments (a) can you post that as an answer and (b) the SPNetwork indexes more than just arXiv preprints. It is also capable of catching anything that has a DOI. The arXiv trackback feature presumably doesn't work for that `:-)`." CreationDate="2013-07-04T13:39:35.987" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1380" PostId="366" Score="0" Text="Perhaps there should be an opt-in mechanism; I have some worries as the discussion on MO involving preprints and papers are quite varied in quality. It might be neither for this site nor for MO a good idea to have each and every question automatically showing up there (to some extent this also applies to arXiv trackbacks)." CreationDate="2013-07-04T14:20:16.910" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1390" PostId="366" Score="1" Text="@quid: How would you make that compatible with the user contribution license?" CreationDate="2013-07-04T16:49:36.520" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1401" PostId="366" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: I am sorry I do not understand your question, as I do not think my remark has anything to do with licenses, or to the extent it does I suggest that something more restrictive is done relative to the content here than what you suggest, so I cannot see why compatibilty with a license should be a problem (except if it is also for what you suggest). But anyway my remark was not a &quot;per user&quot; suggestion but a &quot;per post&quot; suggestion. I will clarify what I mean in an answer." CreationDate="2013-07-04T19:13:36.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1437" PostId="366" Score="0" Text="@quid: As far as I can tell, collecting citation data from posts is permitted by the user contribution license, are you suggesting it should be amended?" CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:11:41.017" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1444" PostId="366" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: I don't think quid is arguing about whether it is permitted, but whether collecting _all_ instances of mentions to arXiv postings would generate too much noise to make the function really useful." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:36:49.160" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1448" PostId="366" Score="1" Text="Isn't that a problem for the spnetwork, Willie? Why should we have to deal with this?" CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:42:22.950" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1452" PostId="366" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais &quot;Why should we...&quot; We **should not** have to do anything. But implicit in my asking this meta question is whether we **would want** to do something to help. Naturally what we **could do** to help depends a lot on the spnetwork, but whether we as a community would help certainly does concern us." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:49:28.753" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1455" PostId="366" Score="0" Text="I think @quid successfully derailed this discussion. Willie, the answer to whether we want to help is yes and we're already helping by providing the spnetwork convenient access to arXiv trackback data." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:54:03.100" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1456" PostId="366" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: fair enough. Those do provide answers to my questions as they are phrased. And perhaps further discussion (either here or there) should wait until we see how the trackback data are used as is." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:55:51.827" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1458" PostId="366" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: you missed my point all the time. Now perhaps this is entriely my fault but then others understood it just fine, so this seems not *so* clear." CreationDate="2013-07-05T16:12:30.100" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="15270" PostId="366" Score="0" Text="The main project site seems to be down." CreationDate="2017-11-19T21:07:57.250" UserId="66983" />
  <row Id="1392" PostId="367" Score="0" Text="You can find it here: http://web.archive.org/web/20130606085811/http://mathoverflow.net/tips" CreationDate="2013-07-04T17:24:04.903" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1393" PostId="367" Score="0" Text="I posted it below as an answer, but it needs to be updated and cleaned up." CreationDate="2013-07-04T17:26:38.273" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1409" PostId="367" Score="0" Text="Why would Tips and Tricks be in that nonobvious place instead of where it used to be in the right margin on MO?" CreationDate="2013-07-04T21:03:01.953" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="1410" PostId="367" Score="1" Text="It is not on the site anymore. It was part of the customization that moderators added to MO. When we migrated it got lost. The link above is to a copy on [Internet Archive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive)." CreationDate="2013-07-04T22:20:55.497" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1385" PostId="368" Score="2" Text="Thank you for the contribution. I almost completely agree with this. An small issue I have is the phrasing &quot;about famous open problems&quot; I think we basically mean the same thing, but the formulation could be misinterpreted as saying that *every* question about a famous problem is not good, which I think is not the intent. Since focused/speciliased questions about famous open problems should be welcome, in my opinion." CreationDate="2013-07-04T15:00:20.270" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1391" PostId="368" Score="7" Text="I agree that we mean the same thing, but I wasn't sure how to phrase it so I just weaseled with &quot;typically.&quot; Good precise questions related to open questions are rare but welcome." CreationDate="2013-07-04T17:02:09.230" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="1930" PostId="368" Score="0" Text="I am not quite sure who is notified by what, so I comment here that I put up a draft for the open problem section of the revised faqs (as an answer here). I would be happy if you would provide some feedback." CreationDate="2013-07-14T22:29:26.230" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2138" PostId="368" Score="2" Text="Edit idea:&#xA;1) If you pose a famous open problem as a question, it will be closed.&#xA;2) If you pose question which turns out to be equivalent to a less-famous open problem, then a typically answer will discuss the openness of the problem and provide pointers to the literature.&#xA;3) Questions which turn out to be hard but are not previously well-known are on-topic and encouraged.&#xA;4) Good precise questions &lt;b&gt;about&lt;/b&gt; open problems are on-topic. The open-problem tag should be used in this case, alongside with other appropriate tags for the question." CreationDate="2013-07-21T01:28:20.310" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="2139" PostId="368" Score="0" Text="And at the end:&#xA;So basically &quot;I like this problem and no one I've asked can answer it&quot; is great but &quot;Every expert in subfield X has thought about this problem and gotten stuck&quot; is bad.&#xA;&#xA;I think that Noah Snyder's answer, with minor edits, is concise, clear, and not unfriendly." CreationDate="2013-07-21T01:30:22.133" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="2143" PostId="368" Score="0" Text="I'm a bit hesitant to edit an answer this late in after people have voted, but I agree completely with @DanielMoskovich's rewrite." CreationDate="2013-07-21T06:02:18.083" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="1427" PostId="369" Score="0" Text="Do you intend to accompany this by a change of policy regarding discussion of papers and preprints on MO. At the moment it is rather discouraged. To on the one hand discourage it, and on the other hand help to give it visibility when it happens seems inconsistent. (Since I think some think I am against most every type of question, let me stress that *I* was rather not the one typically against *reasonable* discussions of preprints and papers; if the need should arise I can link old &quot;tea&quot; discussions to support this.)" CreationDate="2013-07-05T13:14:58.237" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1434" PostId="369" Score="0" Text="@quid: I don't know how you find all those implications. All we do is send data to the arXiv &amp; spnetwork. There are no plans to change anything about how MO works." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:02:48.750" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1438" PostId="369" Score="0" Text="I did not say you want to change anything about how MO works. By contrast I rather want to suggest that *if* there is the intent to send things to spnetwork,  there likely *should* also be a change in policy. Otherwise the resulting situation strikes me as close to absurd. Ever so often it was said MO is not for discussing papers, asking about their correctness and so on, and now you want to enable it that it is *also* a frontend to a page whose purpose is just this. This is in my opinion *inconsistent.*" CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:14:18.780" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1440" PostId="369" Score="0" Text="@quid: I still don't understand the issue here. Why can't things stay the same on MO? What's wrong with the way things work now?" CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:18:45.510" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1441" PostId="369" Score="0" Text="Let me try again. It is my understanding that discussion of preprints and questions on specific papers (such as their correctness) are rather discouraged here on MO. (This is my perception of how things are.) And some held the opinion that it could be good to have a seperate site for just this. Now this site exists. This is all fine. But now comes the problem. You want to enable people to basically use an MO post instead of a dedicated Google+ post to more or less achieve the same goal. This might lead to an increase of posts of this form on MO, which are considered as OT by some." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:26:49.527" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1442" PostId="369" Score="0" Text="@quid: There are no plans to use MO in this way. All we do is send the citation data." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:29:18.297" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1398" PostId="370" Score="1" Text="The description of percent encoding was quite confused, as it was showing an endash (U+2013) as the value of %2D (which encodes hyphen, U+002D). This was further muddled up by the example, because on Wikipedia, the title with hyphen redirects to the one with an endash. In fact, hyphens work without any encoding in URLs, as I have just tested, so I’ve fixed this. Since it is highly unlikely that endash is a “reserved character”, this requires further investigation; it may well be that *all* non-ASCII characters require percent encoding." CreationDate="2013-07-04T18:47:09.157" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="1399" PostId="370" Score="0" Text="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erdős ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarni_Jónsson ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Niño ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/→ ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ελλάδα" CreationDate="2013-07-04T19:03:47.207" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="1400" PostId="370" Score="0" Text="Hmm. It would seem that ISO 8859-1 non-ASCII characters work, but others need to be encoded." CreationDate="2013-07-04T19:06:00.090" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="1428" PostId="370" Score="2" Text="I think it is good it was copied here for reference, but there are several things that would need to be updated. I am not sure what will be the best way to present this information. Either as a one question, with the different tips and tricks being separate answers or each as an individual question then say decorated with FAQ-tag to increase visibility. Or still at a different place." CreationDate="2013-07-05T13:39:55.650" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1459" PostId="370" Score="0" Text="@quid, yes, it needs to be updated. Foe example, ~ doesn't seem to work as a wild char anymore. I think one item per answer might be better as the more important ones can be up-voted." CreationDate="2013-07-05T16:23:43.153" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1462" PostId="370" Score="1" Text="Perhaps a way to proceed could be just somebody you, me, somebody else, asking a question like: &quot;What are  tips and tricks for using MO more effectively?&quot; with instruction one trick per answer, and link to here with encouragement to repost things if and when people know this still works (or an updated version) but also additional things as they arise." CreationDate="2013-07-05T17:03:11.257" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1481" PostId="370" Score="0" Text="@quid, sounds a good idea." CreationDate="2013-07-06T02:01:26.820" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1488" PostId="370" Score="1" Text="I created the question http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/389/what-are-tips-and-tricks-to-use-mo-more-effectively" CreationDate="2013-07-06T11:00:39.543" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1394" PostId="371" Score="1" Text="How about making this a suggestion here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/183/custom-off-topic-reasons-to-close" CreationDate="2013-07-04T17:48:59.930" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1423" PostId="371" Score="1" Text="You are unlikely to get the old NARQ back: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/171732/help-us-make-not-constructive-and-not-a-real-question-closures-more-effectiv" CreationDate="2013-07-05T11:14:55.473" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1467" PostId="371" Score="2" Text="I also miss &quot;no longer relevant&quot; for those big list questions which begin to attract crank answers." CreationDate="2013-07-05T18:54:59.750" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="1478" PostId="371" Score="1" Text="But we've gained &quot;historical locks&quot; specifically for that purpose, @Felipe." CreationDate="2013-07-06T00:15:17.973" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1480" PostId="371" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais also the ability to protect questions -- prevents answers from low users. This is useful when you don't want to hist lock (strictly speaking, hist lock is for questions that have good answers but aren't any more considered on topic) but ant to prevent low quality answers from newbies." CreationDate="2013-07-06T01:06:44.613" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1503" PostId="371" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais So how do we &quot;historical lock&quot; a question?" CreationDate="2013-07-06T22:42:02.800" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="1504" PostId="371" Score="0" Text="@Felipe: Flag moderators and ask for a historical lock." CreationDate="2013-07-06T22:44:29.443" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1524" PostId="371" Score="0" Text="@Felipe, it looks like Scott got to that one before me and decided to protect it instead." CreationDate="2013-07-07T14:23:44.787" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1402" PostId="372" Score="0" Text="Here is why they removed it: [Help us make “Not Constructive” and “Not a Real Question” closures more effective](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/171732/help-us-make-not-constructive-and-not-a-real-question-closures-more-effectiv)" CreationDate="2013-07-04T19:15:29.500" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1404" PostId="372" Score="1" Text="It is not very important but from the commen on another thread I infer you actually very likely acted on François G. Dorais's suggestion and not Anton's." CreationDate="2013-07-04T20:04:41.713" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1407" PostId="373" Score="3" Text="SE has a mechanism for selecting which questions should be tweeted. It is probably takes some combination of votes and views to decide which question to tweet and which question not to tweet. See for example see [cstheory twitter](https://twitter.com/StackCSTheory). Something similar might be used for restricting which questions to spnt and which questions not to spnt (in combination to a having the #spnt hash-tag inside the question)." CreationDate="2013-07-04T20:20:28.697" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1432" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="I agree that there are some issues to think about, but ideally the discussion should be informed by information about the frequency of different cases.  Your answer seems to focus on the case where someone asks a question about a preprint.  I suspect it is much more common for trackbacks to occur where someone says &quot;you can find an answer in the following preprint&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-05T14:32:53.113" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="1433" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="@NeilStrickland: this is likely true, and also why I consider the problem of tackbacks to arXiv as less of a problem, since a trackback of this form seems at least somewhat in the spirit of a trackback to the arXiv. However, for what is discussed now, AFAIK understand this new site, I fail to see the relevance of having, say, an MO answer that mentions the paper as proving something showing up there in *many* cases. I link to the arXiv in not few of my answers, but I would hardly ever consider them as relevant commentary *on the paper*, IMO they would be 'noise' on that other site." CreationDate="2013-07-05T14:42:18.977" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1436" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="Wouldn't it be better bring your concerns up on the spnetwork instead of here? We don't know what they plan to do with the data we will provide them." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:09:27.913" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1443" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: I have no stake in spnetwork and no personal concern related to it, so I do not see why I should care to raise any concern there. I do have some stake in MO and am worried that if not done carefully the posts provided on spnetwork via MO will make look MO bad (either in a direct way, or just because by harvesting too much many things are sent there that do not have much anything to do with the intended purpose there)." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:33:22.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1445" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="Because of the user content license, we have very little control how others use MO content. If you have an issue, you have to bring it up with whoever uses MO content, there is no other way to do it." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:37:48.420" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1446" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais In addition the question (a discussion) asked if &quot;we&quot; *should* ask spn to do something. My answer would be, rather no. And if at all, than only for explcitly &quot;marked&quot; posts, which was my original comment. Since IMO this is better both for MO and spn. Perhaps Kaveh's comment communicates in a clearer way what I consider the better idea than just sending 'everything' there. And after all this site also does not scan Google+ either for papers AFAIK but only takes posts explictly tagged for showing up there." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:40:27.230" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1447" PostId="373" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: if I may jump in here. How much information will the arXiv trackbacks actually provide? My impression is that it essentially just says that &quot;url `...` has mentioned this arXiv posting&quot;. This is not how spnetwork currently scans Google+. I think what quid is saying is that maybe we should also use something like the spnetwork hash tags on Google+ to give them a suggestion of what we would prefer them to index and what not." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:41:08.707" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1449" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: regarding your reply which I had not seen. Yes I know. But the question was if there should be some activity on MOs site. And also if MO should help. To which I suggested a way that seems better to me than just sending everything. Now you can disagree with it being a better idea to introduce some &quot;mark&quot; on MO for sending things there, but to say it is not relevant here but I should suggest this there is a bit surprising." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:42:42.787" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1450" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong: yes, exactly. Also I upvoted Kaveh's first comment here." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:44:25.513" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1451" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="Still, quid and @Willie, wouldn't it be better to bring this up with the spnetwork and discuss it there? https://github.com/cjlee112/spnet/issues" CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:48:48.193" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1453" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="Re using vote counts: that's a *terrible* idea." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:49:36.820" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1454" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: regarding you last comment, I heartily agree. Regarding your previous: if the community just says &quot;meh, I am not going to bother with another set of social conventions&quot;, then there's little point in bringing it up in over there. (Question 1 is intended to gauge interest in this idea...)" CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:52:54.190" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1460" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="@quid: Regarding using some mark to send things on the spnetwork, there is already one though, for the alpha phase, it's only scraped on G+; in later phases, it will be scraped from blogs, twitter, MO, etc." CreationDate="2013-07-05T16:24:32.580" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1461" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: I was aware of the existence of this &quot;mark&quot; for G+ (not of the plans though), which motivated to some extent my suggestion (would they just search G+ for mention of papers the situation would be different and the sol. you propose more apt, IMO). So, a question that might have to be discussed here is how usage of this &quot;mark&quot; should be done/seen on MO (say, should it be encouraged, just tolerated, discouraged,...). Or, perhaps for MO one could also envision something else than including some text-token in the post. One might also decide to create a tag for this purpose." CreationDate="2013-07-05T16:41:45.237" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1463" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="I would be reluctant to use a tag for this since tags can only be added to questions whereas citations mostly happen in answers." CreationDate="2013-07-05T17:15:49.120" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1464" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="As far as the usage of the mark on MO, anybody is free to use it wherever they want." CreationDate="2013-07-05T17:18:02.723" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1465" PostId="373" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: thank you for the information. re usgae, I am not fully convinced this will work well without further quidelines, but perhaps this is a premature discussion and it is best to wait how things develop." CreationDate="2013-07-05T17:54:10.150" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1408" PostId="374" Score="2" Text="Could it be a good occassion to instead of fixing this get rid of it? How many question should there be that might be affected (I have no idea how long this was used)? This seems even somewhat more feasible in view of the fact that the posts are not turned unreadble." CreationDate="2013-07-04T20:38:31.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1411" PostId="374" Score="0" Text="Sure thing. Go ahead!" CreationDate="2013-07-04T23:41:14.423" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1412" PostId="374" Score="2" Text="Is there any way for moderators to &quot;edit&quot; the comments that need to be LaTeX-ified, or to replace them with latexified copies?" CreationDate="2013-07-04T23:54:58.487" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1418" PostId="375" Score="3" Text="This seems fine to me, although I am a little pessimistic about what feedback we would actually get, beyond &quot;ok i just saw this is a math site kthxbai&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-05T08:45:54.970" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1424" PostId="375" Score="7" Text="To be fair, I think that the new help page is still not in a good state and does not make the relationship between MO and MSE very clear; the old faq was much better.  I see that the FAQ now exists at http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/203/frequently-asked-questions-mathoverflow-faq?rq=1 but there are no prominent links there.  As I understand it, only the moderators are able to edit the main help pages; I hope they will get to that at some point." CreationDate="2013-07-05T11:44:33.630" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="1430" PostId="375" Score="0" Text="Many times people ask programming questions on [metase]. Sometimes we ask them why they came there. It's OK, IMO, as long s you ask politely." CreationDate="2013-07-05T14:19:58.943" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1468" PostId="375" Score="7" Text="Maybe we can make the words $$\Huge\sf\text{Research Mathematics}$$ somehow prominent on the top of the site?" CreationDate="2013-07-05T19:42:55.283" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1476" PostId="375" Score="8" Text="I think it's an interesting point.  Almost everyone who is not a research mathematician (or physicist, computer scientist, etc.) hasn't the slightest idea of what research mathematics _is_!" CreationDate="2013-07-05T21:54:45.637" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="1551" PostId="375" Score="5" Text="&quot;Great, a site where I can research about my homework!&quot; :P" CreationDate="2013-07-08T05:23:48.743" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1417" PostId="377" Score="0" Text="Would not be better to have displaystyle here?" CreationDate="2013-07-05T06:44:01.160" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="1421" PostId="380" Score="0" Text="It seems a bit stupid that you work a lot with this and then get get a downvote as a result..." CreationDate="2013-07-05T10:02:06.777" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="1422" PostId="380" Score="0" Text="@AndrásBátkai I found that highly amusing.  But it did make me realise that when editing old posts it is probably a good idea to state that this post is ancient history and so voting on it *just because it is on the active list* is a bit pointless." CreationDate="2013-07-05T10:12:48.270" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1425" PostId="380" Score="0" Text="I tried to search for latex.mathoverflow.net on the site in order to identify posts for manual fixing, however this seems to fail both with the search on the page as well as  with Google; presumably one would have to search the database or a dump. Now, likely I could somehow manage to do this, but I never did, while I have the impression some do this all the time, so I will wait for a while if such a list is created by somebody who can do this more easily then me before venturing to create it myself." CreationDate="2013-07-05T12:46:14.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1426" PostId="380" Score="0" Text="@quid Yes, it would be easiest from the database dumps as the *text* `latex.mathoverflow.net` doesn't appear on the pages but only in the page source." CreationDate="2013-07-05T13:12:12.313" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1457" PostId="380" Score="0" Text="see my answer http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/374/latex-mathoverflow-net-png-images-broken#answer-382" CreationDate="2013-07-05T16:08:13.463" UserId="36298" />
  <row Id="1429" PostId="381" Score="6" Text="There is a third, and much more horrible, option: &quot;I did see/understand the site is for research-level questions, and that this one is not such question. But I wanted to ask real mathematicians.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-05T14:10:06.757" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1431" PostId="381" Score="5" Text="Very true. But I consider this as a bit less interesting to know. (Although it could also be of relevance to know about this in order to perhaps advertise the presence of &quot;real mathematicians&quot; on math.SE more.) Now, there is even the still more horrible &quot;I fully understand my question is not appropriate here, but I just do not care, since I thought somebody might still give me an answer.&quot; But then this is also still less interesting to know. :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-05T14:31:51.000" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1483" PostId="381" Score="6" Text="I suspect that the most frequent one would be &quot;I have no idea what 'research-level' means&quot;... which maybe is merely a more blunt way to phrase your OT comment." CreationDate="2013-07-06T08:06:54.340" UserId="1306" />
  <row Id="1466" PostId="383" Score="16" Text="Personally, I would very much like MathOverflow to seem quite unwelcoming to the sort of users who are unlikely to contribute anything other than noise." CreationDate="2013-07-05T18:14:35.270" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="1469" PostId="383" Score="6" Text="I downvoted this. First, because it seems to make several unsubstantiated claims, such as &quot;But what you are suggesting we add back is the concept of the author being dismissed out of hand&quot;. Second, rather than addressing Steven Landsburg's point, it just reads like promotional material for the new close system." CreationDate="2013-07-05T19:45:00.680" UserDisplayName="user5117" />
  <row Id="1470" PostId="383" Score="4" Text="I agree with Artie. Steven Landsburg is asking for &quot;NARQ&quot; to be reinstated as a reason for closing or putting on hold, not &quot;suggesting we add back the concept of the author being dismissed out of hand&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-05T20:01:30.527" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1473" PostId="383" Score="5" Text="How nice to see that my comment, which admittedly was no longer relevant, has been removed unilaterally" CreationDate="2013-07-05T21:25:03.453" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1474" PostId="383" Score="7" Text="The problem is that a person who asks an unsuitable question of the sort we want to close as NARQ is in very high probability _never_ going to have a question suitable for MO. If we encourage them gently, then they might come back, which we _don't actually want_. And for the sorts of questions I'm envisaging, they aren't suitable for M.SE either, like, &quot;I think I proved the Collatz/Golbach/twin prime/BS-D conjecture, can you help me?&quot;, which we have gotten, and some of these people took real and sustained effort to get rid of at the cost of a lot of noise. Giving them a mild ... (cont)" CreationDate="2013-07-05T21:40:33.590" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="1475" PostId="383" Score="7" Text="... 'perhaps you could ask this question better next time'/'this question would be more welcome on M.SE' is not what the situation needs." CreationDate="2013-07-05T21:41:20.013" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="1477" PostId="383" Score="2" Text="@Yemon, there is a custom across other SE sites to delete obsolete comments. We don't do that on MO but this is not clearly advertised anywhere." CreationDate="2013-07-06T00:12:21.743" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1479" PostId="383" Score="4" Text="Ah, yes. Certainly no offense or attempt at censorship meant, @YemonChoi. See http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/77373/should-moderators-delete-obsolete-and-resolved-comment-threads. I only removed the comments because I took your suggestions and integrated the information back into the post. Much appreciated; but come to think of it, more important for the canon of the main Q&amp;A site and less so for meta." CreationDate="2013-07-06T00:23:19.930" UserId="35559" />
  <row Id="1482" PostId="383" Score="1" Text="@RobertCartaino Thanks for the clarification - no hard feelings" CreationDate="2013-07-06T03:30:49.423" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1514" PostId="383" Score="7" Text="For all your concern about &quot;welcoming&quot; people, this message --- especially in its original form before you started editing and re-editing it --- leaves *me* feeling quite *un*welcome.  &quot;Nobody here is interested in helping you&quot; is exactly the (accurate) message I sometimes want to send, and I am dismayed by the insinuation that I am somehow at fault for not wanting to engage with people who clearly have nothing to contribute here.   You've of course got every right to pitch your site to whoever you want to, but if that's who you end up pitching to, I for one will be gone." CreationDate="2013-07-07T01:55:24.827" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="1515" PostId="383" Score="7" Text="I would kindly like to ask Robert to refrain from editing incessantly. Once every day for a few consecutive days or so seems excessive but not terribly intrusive, but *16 edits* on *two days* is way too much." CreationDate="2013-07-07T02:28:47.440" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1529" PostId="385" Score="0" Text="(I only accepted to improve visibility.)" CreationDate="2013-07-07T17:46:29.513" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1556" PostId="385" Score="3" Text="Couple of lessons from doing a couple of these: there may be more than one part of the post that needs fixing (ie check the answers too, and take the opportunity to fix minor things in those since the whole thing will be bumped anyway); and the &quot;alt&quot; text may not fully correspond to what is in the image." CreationDate="2013-07-08T10:01:03.427" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1557" PostId="385" Score="1" Text="Oh, and not all of these questions are questions.  Some are answers.  So if fixing more than one issue in a question-and-answer list, it will be that the answer should also be struck out (if you can locate it in the list)." CreationDate="2013-07-08T10:07:37.280" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1561" PostId="385" Score="0" Text="Thanks to everybody who contributed so far, and especially to @AndrewStacey for the remarks. I was aware of the answer-issue but did not know the potential &quot;alt&quot; text problem. In any case, once this is completed/close to completion I will double-check the changes." CreationDate="2013-07-08T19:32:05.617" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1486" PostId="387" Score="1" Text="Thanks! My account will be made anon as per FAQ" CreationDate="2013-07-06T10:11:16.393" UserId="34859" />
  <row Id="1484" PostId="388" Score="1" Text="I feel that this has been discussed on tea, but I can't find a link." CreationDate="2013-07-06T09:37:33.190" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1485" PostId="388" Score="1" Text="Google returns some results for [community promotion ads site:tea.mathoverflow.net](http://www.google.com/search?q=community+promotion+ads+site%3Atea.mathoverflow.net). Searching for [community ads site:tea.mathoverflow.net](http://www.google.com/search?q=community+ads+site%3Atea.mathoverflow.net) gives more results, although some of them seem to be completely unrelated. I am not sure whether some of them might be what you had in mind." CreationDate="2013-07-06T09:48:50.287" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1490" PostId="388" Score="2" Text="IIRC, the wish expressed in old discussion was rather &quot;no ads&quot; (personally I have not strong feelings regarding this though). I also think that for MO it will be harder to find ads that are perceived as interesting and not just as ads." CreationDate="2013-07-06T14:27:01.213" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1491" PostId="388" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure I understand correctly - these ads are not paid by outside companies, but are freely distributed on behalf of non-profit organizations?" CreationDate="2013-07-06T15:45:14.690" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="1492" PostId="388" Score="2" Text="@S.Carnahan Yes, you can advertise the arXive, nLab, or something like that." CreationDate="2013-07-06T18:33:46.077" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="1495" PostId="388" Score="7" Text="@S.Carnahan In short, the way this works is that we (SE) set up a thread here on meta where the community on MO can suggest and vote on ads that would be displayed on the main site. This is entirely community-driven, no money is involved, and it's pretty much entirely automated based on the votes in that thread. Here's an example - the currently active thread on Ask Ubuntu - http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/5504/community-promotion-ads-2013. When someone posts a new ad as an answer, it's not added into the rotation until it gets at least 6 votes from other community members." CreationDate="2013-07-06T19:27:23.623" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="5206" PostId="388" Score="1" Text="To give one example which might be interesting for MO users, JDH used Community Promotion Ads to promote Cantor's Attic, see [here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/3425/8297)." CreationDate="2013-11-05T08:00:19.150" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="10507" PostId="388" Score="2" Text="Can we please revisit this discussion and start the process for ads?" CreationDate="2015-05-25T13:35:35.217" UserId="68862" />
  <row Id="13228" PostId="388" Score="0" Text="afaik _every_ SE site has these community ads at least possible. dont know history of why this site does not, maybe it was part of the negotiation of bringing it back into the SE network, wish someone in the know would explain that. for those not aware, the &quot;community ads&quot; are for anything and are voted on by the community. the [physics.se](http://meta.physics.stackexchange.com/questions/7426/community-promotion-ads-2016) site for example has a lot of great ads and shows that they dont degrade the site at all but add to it. in theory even stuff like very popular math blogs could be in ads etc" CreationDate="2016-06-03T01:03:38.713" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="26074" PostId="388" Score="0" Text="I agree with @MartinSchröder , we should have Community Promotion Ads here like we do on the other SE sites!" CreationDate="2021-06-17T23:23:55.157" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="1487" PostId="389" Score="0" Text="Likely it will be good to have this CW, so that editing will be simple for all answers. If I understood things correctly, I thus need to flag for moderators, which I just did." CreationDate="2013-07-06T10:41:23.533" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1489" PostId="389" Score="0" Text="You understand correctly." CreationDate="2013-07-06T12:17:36.370" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1493" PostId="390" Score="9" Text="You might also want to just post a feature request for the search to normalize umlauts like this, so that it does not matter which version you use for searching. I've no idea how complicated that would be, but if it is not that hard this would also be useful for other sites." CreationDate="2013-07-06T18:58:07.073" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1494" PostId="390" Score="1" Text="Oh yeah, that would be immensely helpful on MSE as well." CreationDate="2013-07-06T19:23:37.233" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6451" PostId="390" Score="0" Text="While ä = ae in German, this is not necessarily the case in other languages, so I'm not sure that an automated way to do this is possible." CreationDate="2014-01-15T20:22:00.447" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="1499" PostId="391" Score="1" Text="See [SE modifications userscript](http://stackapps.com/questions/2138/se-modifications-username-autocomplete-in-comments-inline-revision-source-a)." CreationDate="2013-07-06T19:51:01.323" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1500" PostId="391" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the pointer; I am as of yet completely unfamiliar with all the available scripts. This looks interesting." CreationDate="2013-07-06T19:59:27.903" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1505" PostId="391" Score="1" Text="You may want to have a look at [useful userscripts](http://meta.cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/502/useful-userscripts)." CreationDate="2013-07-06T23:06:55.377" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1509" PostId="392" Score="7" Text="If I didn't have an Umlaut available (which might happen if I were using an unfamiliar computer), I'd much rather write &quot;Kaehler&quot;, which sounds right, than &quot;Kahler&quot;, which sounds as if the guy was bald (was he?)." CreationDate="2013-07-07T00:11:47.033" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="1517" PostId="392" Score="2" Text="He was quite bald, at least later in life: http://owpdb.mfo.de/detail?photo_id=8317" CreationDate="2013-07-07T06:02:55.733" UserId="396" />
  <row Id="1520" PostId="392" Score="0" Text="@AndreasBlass: it is the same for me. What I meant with &quot;(gently) discourage&quot; is to communicate somehow that *if one has the choice* one should rather not write Kaehler (as opposed to the policy being to avoid umlauts and encourage use of ae instead of ä, and same for ö and ü). Moreover, I would be happy, if then someone else would change/improve my ae to ä, yet for the converse this is less clear. [Let us ignore the issue of whether somebody should make just this change to an old post; I mean a change close to time of posting.]" CreationDate="2013-07-07T13:13:23.240" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1518" PostId="394" Score="0" Text="So all questions are historical questions, because you can always write &quot;Historically this is the argument ...&quot; or &quot;Historically, no one proved it. Here is a sketch for a proof ...&quot;, no? :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-07T07:26:10.990" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1519" PostId="394" Score="1" Text="In any case, such questions should include doing your own look-ups beforehand and reporting the results with the question." CreationDate="2013-07-07T13:12:11.537" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="1526" PostId="394" Score="4" Text="@GeraldEdgar: this should be for all questions the case, independent of hte topic..." CreationDate="2013-07-07T14:54:55.777" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="1786" PostId="394" Score="1" Text="Most people in that old meta discussion (all but possibly one, I believe) agreed that history questions should be considered on-topic. The specific question that spurred the discussion brought out IMO a more pressing meta-topic, on whether that question should be CW (heh! see another current discussion here). I and others said &quot;yes it should&quot;, and you can see how right we were, because (hilariously) the better the answer, the fewer points it got, at least for the first three or four answers. Obviously such a comical scenario should not impinge on award of reputation points." CreationDate="2013-07-12T22:47:05.087" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20293" PostId="394" Score="3" Text="&quot;History of mathematics&quot; is quite too broad for the question be answered without specifying more. It can discuss with which symbols some ancient people used to count... can also be connected with somewhat deeper maths. Also can be related to sociology of math with no math (recently in a history of math journal I saw a detailed account around connections between French mathematicians and German mathematician in the nazi context (late 30's). Some judgement is necessary to determine what's better fits here on MO and what not." CreationDate="2019-06-08T17:06:27.120" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22172" PostId="394" Score="0" Text="Since tea is down at the moment, I will add a link to [snapshot in the Wayback Machine](http://web.archive.org/web/20161118170050/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/965/oldest-joint-paper)." CreationDate="2020-05-14T07:26:35.193" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22216" PostId="394" Score="2" Text="Timothy, you seem to have accepted the answer which is a bit questionable (as reflected by many up and down votes) and doesn't reflect your own comments, so I'm just puzzled why you did so, especially insofar as there is a more consensual answer, which looks closer to your own assertions." CreationDate="2020-05-18T18:59:01.233" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22217" PostId="394" Score="2" Text="@YCor : Well, I felt that the most important thing I learned from this discussion was the existence of that SE site. You're right that Federico Poloni's suggestion that history questions *not* be asked on MO goes too far in my opinion and (apparently) in the opinion of most people, but I still feel that it's useful to highlight the existence of the history site." CreationDate="2020-05-18T19:46:31.003" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="22218" PostId="394" Score="0" Text="OK... actually the debate was mentioned in the comments to https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4566/why-was-the-origins-of-the-word-elliptic-migrated-to-hsm, which led me here (in that recent discussion I made a comment for which I had forgotten I did pretty much the same here)." CreationDate="2020-05-18T20:02:36.090" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="1523" PostId="396" Score="0" Text="This is a useful thing to know, in particular for questions that already have many answers. Thank you for sharing it. I only removed the mention of &quot;comment&quot; as it seems comments are not taken into account (also I made more explict in which tab-views one has this feature available)." CreationDate="2013-07-07T14:17:22.840" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1530" PostId="398" Score="4" Text="This is an interesting discussion to be had, only I think the word &quot;enforce&quot; is not good. Because if you really want to enforce it the answers will be simple (yet unlikely to happen), such as change the software so that you can only downvote after posting a comment or voting on one, which would more or less enforce this (true somebody could vote up a non-critical cmnt, but it would catch most cases an one could develop on this). Or otherwise one needed to search the voting rec, when it happens, which seems even more infeasible or reveal downvotes. Perhaps change enforce to say encourage." CreationDate="2013-07-07T18:44:24.900" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1531" PostId="398" Score="1" Text="@quid thanks, I've made the change you suggested. What I had in mind was something like -1 to your reputation if you explain your downvote but -2 if you don't." CreationDate="2013-07-07T19:05:54.117" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="1532" PostId="398" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the reply and the change. What you say would also be an option. However, since you mention -1 and -2, let me mention that since the change downvoting on *questions* does not cost any points. This change might contribute to possibly increased frequency of downvotes." CreationDate="2013-07-07T19:12:21.590" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1547" PostId="398" Score="3" Text="If you feel that you don't understand a down-vote you can post a comment. For example, if you feel the reason for the down-vote is not clear you can post a comment like:&#xA;&#xA;&quot;*It is not clear to me why this post is down-voted.*&quot;&#xA;&#xA;An someone else (not necessarily the user who down-voted the post) may reply explaining why a down-vote is reasonable. Even if no one replies your comment can still be helpful for the author to remain positive." CreationDate="2013-07-08T03:43:34.487" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1549" PostId="398" Score="0" Text="What if someone commented &quot;-1 because I hate the OP&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-07-08T04:36:01.270" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1559" PostId="398" Score="2" Text="The downvoters do not necessarily have to be established MO users, they can come from everywhere in the SE network since if I remember this correctly only 125 rep is enough to downvote which is not much taking the association bonus into account. Fully agree that spurious unexplained unjustified downvotes are horrible." CreationDate="2013-07-08T11:44:58.847" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="1562" PostId="398" Score="1" Text="@JoelReyesNoche: The comment would likely be flagged. Also, it is not permitted to downvote based on ones opinion of OP, or at least not solely based on it (by which I mean it is likely alright to be stricter with users doing repeatedly the same thing)." CreationDate="2013-07-08T19:51:11.307" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1534" PostId="399" Score="2" Text="Steven, I agree that the question was vague, which is why I was seeking clarifications. Also, while I did not down-vote your answer here, I must confess that I was mildly amused to see the unexplained $-1$." CreationDate="2013-07-07T19:24:30.893" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="1546" PostId="399" Score="3" Text="Note that the $-1$ here is the result of $+2-3$, so there are *three* unexplained downvotes on this answer (as of this writing)." CreationDate="2013-07-07T23:35:20.717" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="1548" PostId="399" Score="4" Text="I just upvoted this answer!  If we are expected to comment on our downvotes, shouldn't we also be expected to comment on our upvotes?" CreationDate="2013-07-08T04:33:20.977" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1553" PostId="399" Score="4" Text="@Joel, a downvote says there's something wrong with the answer, and that leaves the downvotee wondering what he can do to make the answer better. An upvote says there's something right with the answer, and this doesn't leave the downvotee wondering what he can do to make the answer worse. In short, no." CreationDate="2013-07-08T05:56:07.923" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="1554" PostId="399" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson I agree with you.  I was just thinking of the case when a terrible question or answer gets an upvote, and people comment &quot;Why the upvote?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-08T07:29:41.530" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1564" PostId="399" Score="3" Text="Downvotes here are self-explanatory anyway as the answer is off-topic, being only commentary on the specific event that motivated the dicussion of a general aspect. ;-)" CreationDate="2013-07-08T20:08:53.850" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1533" PostId="401" Score="1" Text="Like I said, I don't think there should be a comment for every downvote. If there is already a comment which summarizes your negative reaction, just upvote that comment instead of posting your own. Otherwise, maybe there really are 2 different reasons to down-vote and hence twice as much feedback for the OP." CreationDate="2013-07-07T19:18:59.120" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="1560" PostId="401" Score="0" Text="Posts can also be sorted by **upvotes**, they are a much friendlier sorting tool ..." CreationDate="2013-07-08T12:04:36.977" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="1563" PostId="401" Score="0" Text="@Dilaton:  posts are sorted by score in the votes few, as you likely know. If you have the option of affecting the score by +1,0, *and -1* then this gives more power to influence the sorting with also using downvotes. The same could be achieved with adding a +2 instead of -1, but then there should in my opinion be at least *some* way to influence rep also in the negative direction (it is annyway minimal), so that pure noise-contributors at least do not rise too quickly. That being said, I do not downvote much myself. [I do not conside the Q that started this in thhe noise cat though.]" CreationDate="2013-07-08T19:59:21.793" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="18603" PostId="401" Score="0" Text="&quot;There is a significant number of people that don't take criticism well, even if it is constructive.&quot;-The people of MO are not very good are making constructive criticism." CreationDate="2019-03-21T22:35:05.863" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="1542" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="Sounds to me that your &quot;experiment&quot; had a serious design flaw. You can try to get all the authors to agree to relicense their answers so you can reuse them." CreationDate="2013-07-07T23:03:38.117" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1552" PostId="402" Score="2" Text="Suggestion: I think it might be nice if one could combine answer citations into one citation, in order to minimize the overhead if one wants to cite many of them. I don't know exactly how this would work, but perhaps:&#xA;[12] Mathoverflow: A. Smith, Question title,  mathoverflow.net/questions/1234 (2010); B. Jones, Question title,  mathoverflow.net/questions/9876 (2011); etc.&#xA;Could this be an option? What do others think?" CreationDate="2013-07-08T05:55:35.007" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="1572" PostId="402" Score="1" Text="@DanielMoskovich, it seems to me that how to combine multiple sources into a single entry would be up to the style judgment of the particular author or publication, and is not specific to MO. It would be the same as if you were citing a series of papers &quot;X-Structures in Y-spaces I--IV&quot; in one entry." CreationDate="2013-07-08T23:05:30.860" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="1595" PostId="402" Score="1" Text="@Daniel: Unless done carefully, this may be incompatible with the attribution requirement of the user contribution license." CreationDate="2013-07-09T03:26:07.877" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2208" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="Some of the questions [tagged citation](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/citation) at meta.MSE might be relevant." CreationDate="2013-07-24T05:20:31.060" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6353" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="BTW I think that the tag ([meta-tag:citation]) might be appropriate for this question." CreationDate="2014-01-09T12:44:46.310" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1541" PostId="403" Score="2" Text="possible duplicate of [Public dumps for mathoverflow?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/129/public-dumps-for-mathoverflow)" CreationDate="2013-07-07T22:58:20.813" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1535" PostId="404" Score="0" Text="&quot;The thing that I have in mind&quot; is a paper in Mathematics education in which usually you have your own interpretation of certain facts and you support it by &quot;examples&quot; (i.e. most often than not, peoples' answers to a question, task, problem and so on). That is why you mention them anonymously, since after all their ideas will turn to be an example of your interpretation" CreationDate="2013-07-07T20:11:43.930" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="1536" PostId="404" Score="0" Text="Ah, I see. Thank you for the explanation. So about like one does (AFAIK) for respondents in some psychological experiments. If you should consider the information in my answer as not at all relevant to your question, please, let me know and I will delete it." CreationDate="2013-07-07T20:17:47.753" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1537" PostId="404" Score="0" Text="It would indirectly be relevant, since your answer and the comment after clarified the question." CreationDate="2013-07-07T20:25:51.920" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="1543" PostId="404" Score="2" Text="Every time I participated in education research, all the subjects had to sign an agreement outlining how the data will be used *before* the experiment." CreationDate="2013-07-07T23:07:30.993" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1550" PostId="404" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais That's very true. But I hadn't an &quot;experiment&quot; in mind when I posted the question. But, later on, the answers radically changed my mind about the issue. Indeed, I think your suggestion under the body of the post is the way I should go. I will just ask them." CreationDate="2013-07-08T05:23:35.870" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="1538" PostId="405" Score="0" Text="sigh. ${}{}{}{}$" CreationDate="2013-07-07T21:03:22.167" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1539" PostId="405" Score="0" Text="What's wrong? I hope it was not my tag-edit (but I thought now we have them it'd be good to use them). Sorry, I had nothing more substantive to contribute. But perhaps it is just the lack of responses that makes you unhappy. But then meta is not very active at this time, only 10 people saw the post, so there is still hope for good suggestions in the future." CreationDate="2013-07-07T21:07:39.733" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1540" PostId="405" Score="2" Text="@quid, it is the lack of (granted, early) responses. Time will tell. I got very involved with the idea of chat as a useful extension, but there seem to be as many obstacles as opportunities." CreationDate="2013-07-07T21:14:07.540" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1544" PostId="405" Score="1" Text="I hope it will work out in the end. The homotopy room you helped to start seems to be doing alright. A lot more going on then in the general room. Perhaps I should have posted this rather in chat to create some traffic there :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-07T23:24:36.927" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1545" PostId="405" Score="0" Text="@quid, after I put the jpeg here I put the same one in Homotopy Chat. They were initially impressed by my artwork, but then there was some disagreement about the color, named after the flower named after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonhart_Fuchs  as opposed to the mathematician  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_Fuchs" CreationDate="2013-07-07T23:34:38.387" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1558" PostId="405" Score="1" Text="Tangentially related: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/49384/tools-for-long-distance-collaboration" CreationDate="2013-07-08T11:24:04.930" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1565" PostId="405" Score="1" Text="@WillJagy Oh dear Lord! I can't believe they were arguing over who was the namesake of the flower Fuchsia! Is that why you said `sigh`? I don't know what to say; I'm kind of appalled. They should ask about that on English Language &amp; Usage SE, and tag it etymology. You are trying to do a good deed, behave in a constructive, helpful manner for the greater good of the MO community. I wish I could chastise them, and hug you, or give you a gold star or something. You are a good person for trying to help others." CreationDate="2013-07-08T21:35:03.040" UserId="15938" />
  <row Id="1568" PostId="405" Score="1" Text="@FeralOink, the sigh was for the lack of early response. To be honest, they did not argue about the flower for very long. However, you are correct that my attempts to push this idea along are no longer being met with much enthusiasm, so I think i will call it a day, and let the kids who are using the chat room work out if and how they wish to extend operations." CreationDate="2013-07-08T22:41:54.693" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1680" PostId="405" Score="1" Text="Hey @willJagy we should def talk about this some point.  I think it'd be best if you sent me an email. I have some thoughts, and I hate to think that you might feel your efforts have gone unappreciated. I've just been kind of stupid busy with stupid stuff recently." CreationDate="2013-07-10T20:52:38.480" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="1681" PostId="405" Score="0" Text="@JonBeardsley, yes, I will find your email and send you something." CreationDate="2013-07-10T21:31:08.287" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1743" PostId="405" Score="0" Text="Perhaps some of the links I've collected in the comments [here](http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/81365/chatting-about-mathematics-with-real-time-latex-rendering#comment192305_81365) might be interesting for you." CreationDate="2013-07-12T10:49:01.387" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1750" PostId="405" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, thanks." CreationDate="2013-07-12T15:24:38.770" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="1603" PostId="409" Score="0" Text="There are plenty of questions asked at MO, which do not belong to math.stackexchange either: These are questions which are either extremely poorly stated, or questions of the type &quot;I proved X, where should I publish my result?&quot; or &quot;questions&quot; of the type &quot;Here is a short proof that the set of real numbers is countable&quot;, followed by some utter nonsense. All these, used to be described as &quot;Not a real question&quot; and I too miss not having this option." CreationDate="2013-07-09T05:35:36.200" UserId="21684" />
  <row Id="1619" PostId="409" Score="0" Text="Here is a recent example: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/136187/" CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:32:51.183" UserId="21684" />
  <row Id="1620" PostId="409" Score="0" Text="@Misha If such a type of question is closed often enough, a custom off-topic sub-reason might be appropriate." CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:34:05.837" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1570" PostId="410" Score="3" Text="Also related: http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/9652/editing-to-remove-a-thank-you-in-a-post" CreationDate="2013-07-08T22:50:57.577" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1571" PostId="410" Score="3" Text="I am under the impression that an edit done for a *different* purpose can trigger the automatic deletion mentioned under the link in OP. So just that an edit removes them does not mean the person editing it *decided* to remove them. (I am not certain about this. Could somebody confirm of refute this? I might also check myself but wanted to say this quickly as it might be relevant to the discussion)." CreationDate="2013-07-08T23:00:19.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="14558" PostId="410" Score="0" Text="&quot;with another edit&quot; ... that is important: do not edit if this is the only thing you find &quot;wrong&quot; with the post." CreationDate="2017-07-16T10:46:14.947" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="1569" PostId="411" Score="1" Text="[Related](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/169/6085)." CreationDate="2013-07-08T22:49:56.203" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1573" PostId="411" Score="1" Text="François G. Dorais said: &quot;Is it appropriate to edit greetings out *along with another edit*?&quot; (my emphasis). Cluttering the the front-page thus seems not like reason against it." CreationDate="2013-07-08T23:08:04.403" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1574" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="Editing greetings out accomplishes $A$ and $B$. If something else removes $B$ from being an issue (such as, the edit also fixes something that was actually broken), we still get $A$. Neither $A$ nor $B$ is desirable. If we get $A$ as a result of the edit, the edit should be avoided." CreationDate="2013-07-08T23:10:10.663" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1575" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="Assuming what I say in my comment on OP is true, and taking you comment to the end, this would mean one must not edit any post that contains  &quot;Hello&quot; at the start. This seems a bit extremme to me." CreationDate="2013-07-08T23:14:52.383" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1576" PostId="411" Score="1" Text="No, @quid. It means your edit should not remove the Hello." CreationDate="2013-07-08T23:15:48.827" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1577" PostId="411" Score="1" Text="But if (and I think this is the case) the software deletes *all by itself*, what to do?" CreationDate="2013-07-08T23:19:30.153" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1578" PostId="411" Score="2" Text="Petition a feature-request that stops this from happening. It will most likely be rejected, and some of us will be minorly unhappy for a small amount of time, and the world will move on." CreationDate="2013-07-08T23:22:02.673" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1579" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="Sorry to continue this a bit tangential discussion, we can then remove it if you like: you said in your second comment where A refers to the greetings being gone &quot;If we get A as the result of the edit, the edit should be avoided&quot;. Now, this means to me that an edit of a post (for completely unrelated reasons!)  should be avoided if the post starts with &quot;Hello&quot; (since editing the post will remove the hello even if the person editing it does not actually remove it; the person editing it I think does not even really see they removed it while editing)." CreationDate="2013-07-08T23:30:39.873" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1580" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="@quid: I don't think that there is an automatic removal of greetings, but even if there is - it seems like a feature which needs to be activated by a request from th community, rather an automatic thing. Either way, I don't recall seeing this on MSE." CreationDate="2013-07-09T00:25:49.933" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1581" PostId="411" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila: thank you for the reply. It might be active on MO though. We could test it. But also as some evidence search on main for &quot;hello&quot; an sort by newest. The last question starting &quot;hello&quot; dates june 20th, before that there are numerous. This might be a coincindence. But I doubt it." CreationDate="2013-07-09T00:31:34.983" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1604" PostId="411" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila There is an [automatic removal of greetings](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/93989/151385), but not of signatures or taglines. Greetings have the disadvantage that they replace actual content in the small excerpt on the frontpage and on question lists, making it less useful." CreationDate="2013-07-09T06:06:40.147" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1605" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist: Ah. I did not know that, but that makes sense." CreationDate="2013-07-09T06:35:57.830" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1583" PostId="412" Score="2" Text=":-)${}{}{}{}{}$" CreationDate="2013-07-09T00:44:00.537" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1584" PostId="412" Score="3" Text="@Quid is correct.  My answer above started with the paragraph &quot;Hello everyone.&quot; and when I submitted my answer it was automatically removed.  The software didn't remove my last paragraph (&quot;Thank you very much for your time.&quot;), though." CreationDate="2013-07-09T00:44:33.450" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1585" PostId="412" Score="1" Text="Try &quot;$ \$\{\}\$ $Hello ....&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-09T00:45:19.293" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1588" PostId="412" Score="3" Text="I've made my answer community wiki so that anyone can experiment with the system using my answer.  @AndresCaicedo, feel free to try your suggestion." CreationDate="2013-07-09T00:47:33.417" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1589" PostId="412" Score="0" Text="I earlier said that &quot;quid is correct&quot; but I just realized that he was talking about automatic removal when doing edits (not automatic removal when submitting answers).  I wasn't able to test quid's claim." CreationDate="2013-07-09T00:52:01.047" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1590" PostId="412" Score="0" Text="I will allow myself to make another test or two with this answer, thanks for the partial conformation. It might be hard to test this with a newly created post, as they run throught the process. The issue is with existing one since this process will likely run on (re)posting the new version on edit but they did not run the script over everything upon import so the legacy thing exist until they are edited. The post says thanking at the end is more complex so they do not do it. They might meanwhile in simple cases this is what I want to test." CreationDate="2013-07-09T01:38:49.450" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1591" PostId="412" Score="2" Text="One note: I would really like to ask not to use MathJax tricks for this. Depending under which conditions one uses MO the MathJax can be a problem. I would consider it as rather rude to cause the site working worse for some, just for being 'polite'. If you need to greet, choose an original greeting the system does not know, this would at least be interesting. (Of course as a test it is interesting the MathJax here, I mean if this habit should become popular, I would consider it a problem.)" CreationDate="2013-07-09T01:43:56.343" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1592" PostId="412" Score="1" Text="My suggestion worked." CreationDate="2013-07-09T01:45:22.140" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1593" PostId="412" Score="0" Text="My testing is done. Thanks at the end remain, it seems, as the page says. What I wanted to test is if they also stay if done in a very clear way. But greetins are as said autodelted. And I am now quite sure this would also happen if we edit an existing  post still displayed with greeting. For it not to happen they would have had to built in something sophisticated into the script to preserve them (really doubt that as they want to get rid of them). Otherwise how should the script &quot;know&quot; that edit with the hello in it was an old hello and not a new one. (And new ones go, also in edits.)" CreationDate="2013-07-09T02:03:54.943" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1594" PostId="412" Score="0" Text="@quid I noticed you also tested other features (automatic removal of spaces, etc). What were the results?" CreationDate="2013-07-09T03:05:20.030" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1607" PostId="412" Score="0" Text="Not sure if the greetings here were automatically removed: http://mathoverflow.net/posts/115967/revisions" CreationDate="2013-07-09T10:25:13.623" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1613" PostId="412" Score="0" Text="@AndresCaicedo: I did not notice any automatic thing related to this; but I could not edit in a &quot;hello&quot; at the start. So the script seems to run also on edits not just OP. To Joel Reyes Noche: it might be, but it is hard to tell, as the user editing it seems from SO, and in other edits did also minor formatting things that are not automatic (in fact some of my test were motivated by seeing what they did and what might be automatic). [To be clear the edits were all reasonable in SO mainstream culture they just might or might not conflict with MO mainstream culture." CreationDate="2013-07-09T12:38:44.863" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1608" PostId="416" Score="2" Text="Why not merge all the SE sites to do with computers then?" CreationDate="2013-07-09T11:14:42.127" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="1664" PostId="416" Score="1" Text="I think the answers given cover the major points, but I do have to ask. &quot;Having a separate TCS SE site independent of mathoverflow is akin to having a Java programming site, when we already have StackOverflow&quot;. Really ?" CreationDate="2013-07-10T03:21:21.353" UserId="972" />
  <row Id="1610" PostId="417" Score="0" Text="Maybe someone is suppressing you? I just searched using Microsoft Bing for the three words you gave, and Bing also didn't turn up any links to your answer." CreationDate="2013-07-09T11:52:30.033" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1618" PostId="417" Score="0" Text="I did the three searches using DuckDuckGo and none listed your answer." CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:28:31.627" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1682" PostId="417" Score="1" Text="Searching from the built-in Stack Exchange feature finds the answer with any one of the terms, and exactly that answer with all three. If the old MO help guidelines are still around somewhere, maybe they should be edited to say that Google is no longer the best option." CreationDate="2013-07-10T23:08:15.010" UserId="18086" />
  <row Id="1612" PostId="419" Score="0" Text="Fascinating, Willie! But note that I posted my answer 9 days ago, so its content should have been indexed long ago. Perhaps the recent editing removed the indexing... In any case, thanks for investigating!" CreationDate="2013-07-09T12:15:23.390" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="1614" PostId="419" Score="3" Text="@JosephO'Rourke Age is not the most absolute indicator of when Google crawls. They claim to have some fairly complex formula at work determining how frequently to discover new pages on a website and how frequently to revisit previously-seen pages on a website. Presumably their re-indexing frequency is partially based on the frequency of edits to MO pages. But for the content to be 8 days off does seem quite shocking in this day and age." CreationDate="2013-07-09T12:58:34.237" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1615" PostId="419" Score="0" Text="In addition, [StackExchange](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/the-perfect-web-spider-storm/) seems to have tried limiting the crawl rates from search engines on their sites." CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:01:32.447" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1621" PostId="420" Score="0" Text="Having many people who enjoy policying and interfering with things that are not their business because they are neither knowledgable enough about the topic nor actively participating in the site belongs to the drawbacks of the merge into the SE network... I wish the MathOverflow community all the best to successfully uphold their own way of doing things and their high quality standards." CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:49:31.273" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="1654" PostId="420" Score="1" Text="@Dilaton, my answer might have been a bit harsh. I don't think it is a bad thing that people try to help make things better. I probably would have taken it more positively if this was posted on [meta.cstheory.se] and was supported with arguments why it would be beneficial to merge cstheory with MO. That would be more respectful towards users on cstheory." CreationDate="2013-07-09T21:09:42.183" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1655" PostId="420" Score="5" Text="If I go on some SE site X that I am not participating and without any good reason suggest that another SE site Y which again I am not participating should be merged with it because &quot;I think so&quot; I don't think it would be taken very positively by users on Y." CreationDate="2013-07-09T21:10:59.187" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1660" PostId="420" Score="0" Text="Yes, I was probably a bit harsh too, because I have seen certain things happen elsewhere that were not so good. However, it sometimes seems to me that some people are overenhancing what they personally think is good for SE, at the expense of the needs of the communities on the individual sites and the people who actually do the contributions that make each site valuable and this way of thinking I dont appreciate. I guess Graviton thought for some reason it is good for SE to merge the two sites." CreationDate="2013-07-09T21:56:52.837" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="1616" PostId="421" Score="1" Text="The `/help/on-topic` page is moderator-editable, the `/help/dont-ask` page is not." CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:09:26.647" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1617" PostId="421" Score="4" Text="Huh, whatever happened to our **old** FAQ page? When MSE converted to the new help center the first section of the FAQ was automatically imported as the &quot;on-topic&quot; page. Perhaps the same can be done here too? (I'm retagging as bug since I consider not having a useful &quot;on-topic&quot; page to be one.)" CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:11:23.830" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1622" PostId="421" Score="0" Text="In comments this was already mentioned in occassion. Relatedly, it might also be good to recosinder the description 'for mathematicians' of the site. However, this might be a different discussion." CreationDate="2013-07-09T15:14:34.647" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1623" PostId="421" Score="0" Text="I just did a text dump of the old FAQ into http://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic." CreationDate="2013-07-09T15:17:50.563" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1624" PostId="421" Score="3" Text="I've also put the three missing pages up at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/faq.html, http://tea.mathoverflow.net/howtoask.html, and http://tea.mathoverflow.net/tips.html, just so everyone can see what we used to have.&#xA;&#xA;We're working on ways to incorporate this back into the help center." CreationDate="2013-07-09T15:36:23.587" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1625" PostId="421" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison Ideally, we disseminate the existing FAQ into the various topics (what to ask, what not to ask, etc), then create special pages for you as needed for the rest of the content that's unique to the site. If you want to work out an outline of how you'd like that set up - we can get it into place" CreationDate="2013-07-09T15:38:42.857" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="1626" PostId="422" Score="1" Text="Hi Tim, great, thank you! I have to admit I haven't explored the help centre very much, so at this point I have little idea what is editable and what isn't." CreationDate="2013-07-09T15:40:15.993" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1627" PostId="422" Score="0" Text="Hi Tim, actually, now I'm confused by your answer again. I just went through the help centre, and found that the only editable page is http://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic. Is that correct?&#xA;&#xA;How are we meant to disperse the uniquely-MO content from our previous help pages into the help centre?" CreationDate="2013-07-09T15:43:56.833" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1628" PostId="422" Score="2" Text="@ScottMorrison It's per-site overrides, I'm setting them up now so you can edit the off topic, What I need is a list of them that you need to be editable, and any custom entries you might need created." CreationDate="2013-07-09T15:58:21.713" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="1629" PostId="422" Score="3" Text="@ScottMorrison You can now edit [what's okay to ask](http://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic) and [what's expected of users](http://mathoverflow.net/help/behavior) because we like it when they wear pants. Let me know if you need custom pages (new pages, blank) and in what sections and I'll see about getting them in." CreationDate="2013-07-09T16:08:09.557" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="1668" PostId="422" Score="0" Text="@TimPost: out of curiosity, is the &quot;per-site override&quot; a privilege for MO or is it also, in theory, available for Math.SE? (No, I don't think we need them just yet; but we may have some pages that we would like to have in the help center in the future (after we hammer them out a bit more), such as one on how to effectively use MathJax, and possibly something about how to ask a good question.)" CreationDate="2013-07-10T10:27:52.997" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1669" PostId="422" Score="2" Text="@WillieWong We can enable it where it makes sense, and there's a clear need. MO had a lot of very specialized content in the FAQ that needed to find a place in the various help center pages, and they just went through a major platform change so making sure that stuff can still be found is a pretty big priority. We prefer to _not_ override pages unless there's a very clear need as those pages stop inheriting from the centrally curated collection, thus create more maintenance overhead." CreationDate="2013-07-10T10:37:57.853" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="1670" PostId="422" Score="5" Text="@TimPost: perhaps one of the things that would make sense is to have a MathJax primers page in the help center that is automatically enabled for all SE sites with MathJax? (At least here, Math.SE, Physics, Cross-Validated, and I think CSTheory...) That page should be fairly static (so centrally curated still makes sense), and can be cobbled together from the existing Math.SE and the Physics.SE pages on the matter." CreationDate="2013-07-10T10:41:43.300" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1641" PostId="424" Score="4" Text="I migrated it and flagged it on the other side. Willie seems to think that's a good way to proceed." CreationDate="2013-07-09T19:01:41.643" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1642" PostId="424" Score="0" Text="I do not know where it belongs, but it is annoying to heve two copies of this as well: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/136005/an-inequality-involving-operator-and-trace-norms" CreationDate="2013-07-09T19:26:06.430" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="1667" PostId="424" Score="3" Text="Yes, as @FrançoisG.Dorais said: if you happen to be the one who cast the final vote to close in one such circumstance, we will greatly appreciate it if you can take two minutes, visit Math.SE, and flag the post there for moderator attention. Thanks." CreationDate="2013-07-10T10:20:34.547" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1630" PostId="425" Score="1" Text="Related: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/141/what-outgoing-migration-paths-should-we-have" CreationDate="2013-07-09T16:12:45.867" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1631" PostId="425" Score="2" Text="Instead, or in addition, to leaving a comment you should likely flag for moderator attention. They are the only ones that can migrate to sites other then the two you mentioned (but they can); so they need to know about the question." CreationDate="2013-07-09T16:19:55.700" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1635" PostId="425" Score="0" Text="@quid: I did that too." CreationDate="2013-07-09T17:50:41.387" UserId="1797" />
  <row Id="1636" PostId="425" Score="0" Text="We're still waiting for a response from the moderators at stats.se." CreationDate="2013-07-09T18:40:40.290" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1638" PostId="425" Score="0" Text="(Ah, sorry, I'd already migrated it, having forgotten or never known we were asking the stats moderators...)" CreationDate="2013-07-09T18:52:49.800" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1634" PostId="426" Score="7" Text="I agree. The number of inappropriate questions has gone up a lot since the change and we should take steps to reduce the number of such questions." CreationDate="2013-07-09T17:45:28.127" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="1637" PostId="426" Score="4" Text="One perhaps very minor benefit is that instead of having to write the comment &quot;this question seems more appropriate for mathstackexchange&quot; each time we close a question as being too elementary, we can simply choose the migration option." CreationDate="2013-07-09T18:50:34.970" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="1639" PostId="426" Score="10" Text="I think there is also less resistance to be expected, which should reduce noise. This is also a benefit. If somebody really wants to ask on MO, they will do so, as there is not much need for any typing. A copy-paste is done within seconds. (Also recall the numerous people tat cross-post right away.) Migration is good for those that happened to have ask on the wrong page out of ingnorance about its scope. If one tells them nicely/neutrally where to go and helps along this causes much less noise than stern closures. To this end migration is helpful." CreationDate="2013-07-09T18:54:10.753" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1640" PostId="426" Score="1" Text="Many among us suggested all along to ask on math.SE in comments so we did always &quot;express opinion&quot; (re first) (which was likely to have some effect), so this is a non reason. By contrast somebody active on both sites said one should not migrate when in doubt as it could be bad for OP (just the other way round then said here). Migrate questions are autodelte (but it takes a while.) I highly doubt removing migration option will reduce OT questions." CreationDate="2013-07-09T18:57:36.223" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1643" PostId="426" Score="6" Text="Migrated questions (we usually call them &quot;migration stubs&quot;) are automatically deleted after 30 days." CreationDate="2013-07-09T19:34:26.553" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="1646" PostId="426" Score="4" Text="@AnnaLear :  &quot;Automatically deleted after 30 days&quot; is of essentially no value to those of us who use view the newest questions on our start pages." CreationDate="2013-07-09T19:39:47.890" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="1647" PostId="426" Score="12" Text="@StevenLandsburg I'm not making an argument for or against it, just offering some information on how migrated questions work in response to &quot;I'm not sure whether they ever disappear&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-09T19:48:22.490" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="1649" PostId="426" Score="4" Text="While understanding your reasoning, I respectfully disagree with your conclusion. I tend to think that the sorts of people who actually care whether they are asking on the correct site will tend to be conservative about the sophistication level of their questions. In my own case, I have had questions that never got asked because they seemed too basic for MathOverflow, but I knew they were unlikely to receive a useful answer on math.SE. Having the migration path open makes it easier to ask these sorts of questions, since asking on the wrong site is easier to fix." CreationDate="2013-07-09T20:23:26.583" UserId="5094" />
  <row Id="1650" PostId="426" Score="0" Text="That having been said, your contributions to MathOverflow are more valuable than mine. Correspondingly, what makes MathOverflow a better site for people like you is probably more important than what makes it a better site for people like me." CreationDate="2013-07-09T20:26:54.097" UserId="5094" />
  <row Id="1651" PostId="426" Score="2" Text="@CharlesStaats : I must respectfully disagree with any suggestion that my contributions are clearly more valuable than yours; obviously you're the sort of person we want more of here.  The question is what policy will strike the right balance between attracting more folks like you and repelling more folks who are out to refute Cantor or ask for homework help or pose little brain teasers.  Thanks for offering your own experience as a data point.  It's certainly legit evidence in favor of the migration option, but I remain skeptical on balance." CreationDate="2013-07-09T21:02:06.277" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="1653" PostId="426" Score="0" Text="@AnnaLear:  Thanks for providing this info.  I understand that you weren't making an argument, but I do still think it's worth pointing out that the policy you quoted largely fails to address the issue." CreationDate="2013-07-09T21:05:18.307" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="1658" PostId="426" Score="15" Text="I think that a significant reason for the increase in inappropriate questions is that our advice to new users is less clear and complete than it used to be on the old site.  I think that we should try to fix that before messing with the migration settings.  While there are some offenders who would doubtless ignore any kind of advice, I think we are seeing quite a few cases of honest misunderstanding that should be dealt with in a friendly way." CreationDate="2013-07-09T21:47:19.047" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="1665" PostId="426" Score="0" Text="While migrating leaves the question visible, so does closing (the only difference will be what is appended to the title). And as far as I know, a migrated question will never be bumped, no matter what is done to it, while a closed question will still be bumped if it is edited. So the only option that would completely make such a question disappear immediately would be to delete it (and even then, some people can see deleted questions), which requires a lot more." CreationDate="2013-07-10T09:02:48.340" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="1666" PostId="426" Score="3" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: That is a good  point. To expand on this, yes, the migrated question will not bumped and cannot be reopened, as migration locks the MO version of question, so it cannot even be changed (except a mod would do something). Also, while the question looks the same in the list of questions, clicking on it will lead to the migrated version (not the MO version). So that those wanting to perhaps still interact with the question will be directed to the right place. This avoids the work sometimes done manually before to provide links to reasked versions, often done *by others than OP*." CreationDate="2013-07-10T10:00:15.950" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1672" PostId="426" Score="0" Text="I agree: the option should be removed, these questions should be closed. In addition to Steven's reasons, here is one more. We should not decide for OP which forum he/she should submit the question to. It is unethical. We can only decide that the question is bad for MO." CreationDate="2013-07-10T11:50:05.680" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="1675" PostId="426" Score="4" Text="@NeilStrickland: There is also the very simple fact that MO's existence is now more prominently advertised through the SE network." CreationDate="2013-07-10T13:50:30.103" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="1677" PostId="426" Score="5" Text="@MarkMeckes: This is no doubt true. A main problem I see (and this is related to what Neil Strickland said) is that the advertisement in the network is *unclear* (or even misleading) in my opinion; and this is &quot;our&quot; fault. If you look at the list of all sites at the bottom then the mouse-over description for the site is &quot;mathematicians.&quot; Just this. Now, the question is how one interprets this. And, in the context of these mous-over descriptions this is  unclear or even  misleading. Many other site *make explcit* if this is a site restricted to professionals or also for amateurs. &quot;We&quot; don't." CreationDate="2013-07-10T14:34:58.073" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1678" PostId="426" Score="1" Text="@TobiasKildetoft, on MO closed questions are often deleted in approx 48 hours." CreationDate="2013-07-10T17:00:25.993" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="1644" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="Great! Thank you!" CreationDate="2013-07-09T19:37:02.283" UserId="1797" />
  <row Id="1645" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="Can we get the TeX site too?" CreationDate="2013-07-09T19:38:05.730" UserId="1797" />
  <row Id="1648" PostId="428" Score="4" Text="@AlbertoGarcía-Raboso There haven't been any migrations to TeX yet at all. Do you have any examples handy of questions that could/should have been migrated there?" CreationDate="2013-07-09T19:49:28.090" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="1659" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="I don't, but the issue has been raised before, specifically in the comments to the top answer to this question: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/141/what-outgoing-migration-paths-should-we-have" CreationDate="2013-07-09T21:50:11.937" UserId="1797" />
  <row Id="1673" PostId="428" Score="2" Text="@AlbertoGarcía-Raboso: remember we only get **4** sites. I would think that cstheory or physics or computational science are all more likely to be needed than TeX. We really shouldn't rush to choose the others until the Mods notice a large number of migration requests to a certain SE site." CreationDate="2013-07-10T13:37:55.790" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1674" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong: I didn't know we only got four... Does meta.MO count?" CreationDate="2013-07-10T13:46:41.090" UserId="1797" />
  <row Id="1676" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="@AlbertoGarcía-Raboso: see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/163/3948 The four does not include our own meta." CreationDate="2013-07-10T13:57:16.317" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1662" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="I agrre. (I delete a comment as I got a meaning of something wrong, so my two points are now just one): The description got discussed shortly before moving here at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1606/what-will-front-page-be-on-the-mo-stackexchange-site/  Opinions where a bit mixed. (Note there are two subjects dicussed in the thread; the link is correct.)" CreationDate="2013-07-09T22:42:58.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1663" PostId="431" Score="0" Text="At the time of this writing, a large part of the sample questions posted there is extracted from mathoverflow." CreationDate="2013-07-09T23:07:26.627" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="1701" PostId="434" Score="2" Text="The consensus at http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/169 seems to be that one should *not* edit just to correct trivial spelling mistakes." CreationDate="2013-07-11T11:18:54.393" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="1702" PostId="434" Score="6" Text="soemtmies teh comsnesus is msiatken." CreationDate="2013-07-11T12:59:16.223" UserId="5734" />
  <row Id="1703" PostId="434" Score="5" Text="To complement what @EmilJeřábek said: the disc. was about  *old* posts. Even if one agrees with what said there, the issue persists to some extent as IMO there is little (or at least less) opposition to editing a post, say, 3h after posting." CreationDate="2013-07-11T14:00:34.457" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="14534" PostId="434" Score="0" Text="I've actually succeeded in subverting this restriction by adding and empty math block (as in `$   $`) which seems to add to the character count while not being visible in the edit: example [here](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/273427/revisions)." CreationDate="2017-07-01T12:35:20.903" UserId="5734" />
  <row Id="1691" PostId="435" Score="11" Text="Is there any way for us to get data on this?  What percentage of votes are cast by users with 101 rep?" CreationDate="2013-07-11T07:15:43.720" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="1693" PostId="435" Score="5" Text="@Noah: Once MO has public data dumps on the Data Explorer, someone with basic SQL capabilities can try and write a query which pulls out people with zero activity and a lot of votes (or with little activity and a lot of votes)." CreationDate="2013-07-11T09:36:24.063" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1709" PostId="435" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila Voting is anonymous and the data exposed through the Data Explorer doesn't include user ids for upvotes/downvotes." CreationDate="2013-07-11T15:27:10.440" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="1712" PostId="435" Score="7" Text="@Anna: I assume it does include the vote count, though. It shouldn't be difficult, methinks, to searc for users that didn't ask, answer or edited but have a positive vote count." CreationDate="2013-07-11T15:49:46.243" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1715" PostId="435" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila Ah yes, you're right. My bad." CreationDate="2013-07-11T15:59:05.637" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="1718" PostId="435" Score="9" Text="A meta-comment. For 'feature-requests' that are either sure to be controversial, or difficult to persuade SE of the value of, could we begin with a [discussion] tagged posted, and then a subsequent [feature-request] post that takes into account the discussion and makes a strong and balanced case for the software change? I think we'll do much better at persuading SE to help us out if we follow a process like this." CreationDate="2013-07-11T17:02:51.493" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1719" PostId="435" Score="1" Text="I've taken the liberty of retagging here." CreationDate="2013-07-11T17:04:23.453" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1733" PostId="435" Score="18" Text="Adding a bit more data:  The user in question is now up to 49 votes cast on MO this month, and has posted a question to MSE asking why $0$ is not an element of the set $\lbrace 1,1/2,1/3,\ldots\rbrace$" CreationDate="2013-07-12T01:14:11.177" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="1760" PostId="435" Score="13" Text="I think voting up or down questions influences the scope of the site in a similar fashion as votes to close or reopen a question. Thus I think letting new users vote quickly may be problematic for the site. Also, voting is not really necessary for using the site in terms of asking and answering questions and leaving comments. It is rather a means to help maintaining a certain standard, and to provide feedback on what colleagues think about a particular question or answer. Both purposes are served the better the more knowledgable voters are on average." CreationDate="2013-07-12T16:31:14.927" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="1883" PostId="435" Score="4" Text="I think I recall that there was a suggestion that the upvotes should have different weight based on the reputation of the user casting the vote. (I cannot find a link now, I think that it might be at meta.math.SE.) This might help with your *barbarian problem*. But I doubt such a feature can be implemented - it is too radical change compared with the system used so far." CreationDate="2013-07-14T08:29:07.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1963" PostId="435" Score="4" Text="More data:  The user cited in the post has just cast another 3 votes on MO.  His/her most recent posting to MSE asks whether an empty set can have a non-empty collection of subsets." CreationDate="2013-07-15T15:24:07.640" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="2131" PostId="435" Score="4" Text="Perhaps in the end we need  to introduce the guideline that upvotes should be accompanied by comments." CreationDate="2013-07-20T19:50:28.197" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2192" PostId="435" Score="2" Text="When viewing users, on the [voters tab](http://mathoverflow.net/users?tab=voters) you can see reputation and number of votes by users (for the last week/month/quarter/year/all time). Of course, a user having low rep need not necessarily be a &quot;barbarian at the gates&quot; (to use the terminology from the OP)." CreationDate="2013-07-23T07:43:52.233" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2305" PostId="435" Score="0" Text="I have just received an Association Bonus on MO for no apparent reason, i cannot check why i've got it (maybe because i've enabled email notifications with my email used elsewhere on SE).  I do not understand the purpose of it.  A reputation is a reputation, association bonus is not a reputation." CreationDate="2013-07-26T14:56:00.050" UserId="20995" />
  <row Id="2867" PostId="435" Score="0" Text="@Noah: I have created some queries [here](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/126623/upvotes-from-users-with-reputation-101) and [here](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/126624/upvotes-by-users-with-low-reputation?rep=101).&#xA;(I am sure that there are many users here at MO with good knowledge of SQL, so I guess we'll have more and better queries now, since MO data are already available in Data Explorer.)" CreationDate="2013-08-19T09:26:46.783" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3647" PostId="435" Score="0" Text="@Noah, here's another query, that lists users with no questions or answers, by their number of upvotes." CreationDate="2013-09-13T01:23:08.247" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4609" PostId="435" Score="0" Text="I'll replace my (obsolete and somewhat redundant comment) by this: Scott Morrison probably wanted to put a link to [this question](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/811/cancel-the-association-bonus) in his previous comment. Several queries of this type are mentioned in the comments there." CreationDate="2013-10-16T11:36:46.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7677" PostId="435" Score="0" Text="I think it's worth putting a link to this question with some data here http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1345/data-on-voting-by-association-bonus-only-users" CreationDate="2014-05-07T09:48:45.550" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="7691" PostId="435" Score="2" Text="Not that I think this is necessarily a realistic proposal, but it sounds like valuing the vote of someone with $p$ reputation points by an amount proportional to $\log(p)$ would allow more experienced individuals to have a bigger influence on the site's valuing of question and answer quality without drowning out the opinions of inexperienced users." CreationDate="2014-05-09T13:05:04.720" UserId="16002" />
  <row Id="9745" PostId="435" Score="0" Text="Just don't take away my &quot;comment everywhere&quot; privilege and I won't complain.  (Even if I don't actually use it on the site ever.)" CreationDate="2015-02-02T21:32:00.940" UserId="5308" />
  <row Id="1684" PostId="436" Score="18" Text="But even if the downside of the association bonus is small (which I'm still not convinced of), the upside seems to be virtually nonexistent.  Anyone who shows up here with the knowledge and the willingness to participate usefully is able to vote very quickly, with or without the association bonus.  Pretty much the *only* thing the association bonus adds, as far as I can tell, is voting power for the sort of user who needs to ask for an explanation of why $A\subset B$ is equivalent to $A\cup B=B$." CreationDate="2013-07-11T02:30:03.157" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="1685" PostId="436" Score="6" Text="@steven The voting power isn't the upside. The upside is commenting and the removal of new user restrictions (which are in place to prevent spammers)" CreationDate="2013-07-11T02:48:08.087" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1686" PostId="436" Score="11" Text="FWIW, it's easier to get thr 15 rep required to vote via suggested edits than it is to gear u sockpuppets on other sites." CreationDate="2013-07-11T02:49:15.573" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1687" PostId="436" Score="17" Text="Manishearth:  Good point!  I'm totally on board with eliminating the points for suggested edits. :)" CreationDate="2013-07-11T03:09:04.143" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="1688" PostId="436" Score="2" Text="@steven not quite what I meant -- IMO there is no problem in the first place to fix (so I'm against that change personally) but yeah." CreationDate="2013-07-11T04:02:39.683" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1692" PostId="436" Score="22" Text="I don't think that @Steven is talking about sockpuppets. I'm thinking that he points out that people who know absolutely nothing about research level mathematics get a say in what is a good question or answer on a research mathematics site. This is an actual problem, even if at the moment there are only a few users which do that, it doesn't mean that [September](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September) is very far. It is perfectly reasonable that it's coming right for us, or don't. But it might." CreationDate="2013-07-11T09:35:00.633" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1696" PostId="436" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila I know. However, it's been my experience that the only effect people from other sites have is when a question goes &quot;hot&quot;. If someone is able to understand the posts here to an appreciable degree, then there's no reason not to let them vote. If someone is trying to troll by voting randomly -- well, fortunately people usually aren't that bored in life. If someone doesn't understand the posts here, I don't see any reason other than trolling for them to come and vote for stuff. Why would you waste time on a site where you're not learning anything or sharing any knowledge?" CreationDate="2013-07-11T10:39:22.760" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1697" PostId="436" Score="1" Text="Of course, I'm talking about persistent voters. I myself don't understand (hope to someday) most of the posts here, but I've voted for a couple that are within my league." CreationDate="2013-07-11T10:40:30.443" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1698" PostId="436" Score="11" Text="@Manishearth: Understanding *most* of the posts on MO is a ridiculously ambitious goal --- most mathematicians wouldn't." CreationDate="2013-07-11T10:55:57.640" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="1699" PostId="436" Score="2" Text="@MarkMeckes s/most/greaterthanfive :)" CreationDate="2013-07-11T10:59:22.533" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1704" PostId="436" Score="29" Text="@Manishearth: There are certainly reasons not to let someone vote just because they think they understand the posts here to an appreciable degree.  One is that they may be deluded: anyone who has to ask why $A \cup B = B$ and $A \subset B$ are equivalent is incapable of judging whether they understand MO questions.  Note that this question was asked one week ago, so if it was a honest question at all, then the person who asked it has no business voting on MO a week later.  Unfortunately, the world is full of people who like math and have delusional beliefs about their own understanding." CreationDate="2013-07-11T14:15:38.127" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="1705" PostId="436" Score="11" Text="A second issue is that even if people did vote only on things they genuinely understood, adding a voting contingent of people with no research-level background just distorts the voting system and makes the site less research-focused.  I don't think this is as problematic as deluded voting, but it would itself be a good reason to eliminate the association bonus on MO." CreationDate="2013-07-11T14:19:02.297" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="1708" PostId="436" Score="4" Text="@HenryCohn Re:the second issue: why would someone waste time reading a random site that they don't understand? And the cases where someone is deluded/etc are low, I don't see that happening often. My point is that people only come here and vote if they have interesting stuff to read (which will only happen in the case of &quot;hot&quot; questions). People won't read without motivation. With that in mind, I don't think that there will ever be a flood of bad votes. A small trickle, maybe." CreationDate="2013-07-11T15:21:13.720" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1717" PostId="436" Score="33" Text="@Manishearth, I think you might be underestimating the number of people who think they understand some mathematics. This is a field particularly prone to incompetence so severe as to make recognizing one's own incompetence impossible." CreationDate="2013-07-11T16:56:56.603" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1720" PostId="436" Score="32" Text="@Manishearth: I believe the number of people on the internet who think they understand research-level mathematics is much higher than the number who actually do.  They often have an impressionistic, vague understanding and enjoy reading about mathematics research.  There are enough such people to overwhelm MO if they all really wanted to participate, but you're right that that's not going to happen.  On the other hand, I think it's much safer to set up reasonable rules now, rather than waiting to see whether a serious problem develops (at which point it will be much more difficult to fix it)." CreationDate="2013-07-11T17:05:17.923" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="1689" PostId="437" Score="2" Text="I think this is related to the discussion on open problems: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/360/what-should-be-the-policy-on-open-problems-on-mo In this case, the OP posted an open problem without including all the relevant background." CreationDate="2013-07-11T05:46:04.880" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1695" PostId="437" Score="1" Text="Except that the OP phrased this question as a contest, which I read as an invitation for a polymath project or suchlike, given that he is an expert on the topic. He obviously thinks it's tractable and we should take a whack at it- but I am skeptical that MO is the right platform for this." CreationDate="2013-07-11T09:49:02.747" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="1706" PostId="437" Score="5" Text="This case seems still different (and in fact this view seems confirmed by an comment of OP on main meanwhile): namely, it was to rather present a problem as some sort of challenge/game. This is AFAIK perfectly alright on other places but not on MO, so that a new user does not know this is not a big deal, but I think this also could be made more explicit. Indeed, indpendently of this event I had planned to include this issue in the second round of discussion of the post linked by @FrançoisG.Dorais I did not yet since I wanted to let time pass for people to comment and vote on 1st round." CreationDate="2013-07-11T14:27:19.540" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1710" PostId="438" Score="3" Text="I just registered to upvote Mad Scientist and found out that in addition to +100 on meta.SO I got +100 on Mathoverflow, too.  Not sure if that should occur, although I won't complain since I lost much more rep than 100 when we changed from MO1.0 to MO2.0." CreationDate="2013-07-11T15:37:39.687" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="1711" PostId="438" Score="2" Text="I want to emphasize that I consider the problem to be pretty much confined to hot questions that receive a lot of external visitors. I don't think 101 rep users voting has any significant effect on the site at large. The post score is anyway a rather noisy measure, it can be skewed in a lot of different ways." CreationDate="2013-07-11T15:45:29.723" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1713" PostId="438" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg: I was surprised too when it happened to me, but it is by design see http://mathoverflow.net/help/whats-reputation specifically: site association bonus: +100 on each site (awarded a maximum of one time per site) If you are an experienced Stack Exchange network user with 200 or more reputation on at least one site, you will receive a starting +100 reputation bonus to get you past basic new user restrictions. This will happen automatically on all current Stack Exchange sites where you have an account, and on any other Stack Exchange sites at the time you log in." CreationDate="2013-07-11T15:51:09.140" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1714" PostId="438" Score="1" Text="@MadScientist: thank you for the clarification, I am not sure I agree. MO could be somewhat of a special case, aslo due to the sizeable math.SE existing with the in some sense same but then also quite different scope." CreationDate="2013-07-11T15:53:19.813" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="13900" PostId="438" Score="0" Text="There is also this feature request similar to the one by Mad Scientist: [Prevent questions on Hot List from being upvoted by casual visitors (only rep is from association bonus)](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/238420)" CreationDate="2017-01-19T06:11:26.240" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1721" PostId="439" Score="0" Text="I've made this community wiki if someone wants to flesh it out a bit; limited internet right now." CreationDate="2013-07-11T17:09:07.917" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1724" PostId="440" Score="6" Text="I somewhat doubt this is the reason; I 'voted' on some 30 or 40 instances of suggested edits and saw some users frequently. The editing seemed somewhat consistent subject-wise. I think mainly they read or look through what they care about and suggest improvements here and there. I think they are really doing this in good faith. Not for some badges and also not for the points (as was suggested by others)." CreationDate="2013-07-11T18:20:37.040" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1722" PostId="441" Score="7" Text="That might be better than the status quo, but it would have the disadvantage of signaling that MO is indeed open to voting by non-participants, just not too often (and it wouldn't help at all in the case that question goes viral and attracts lots of random people, like the batman question on MSE)." CreationDate="2013-07-11T17:43:16.133" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="1723" PostId="441" Score="2" Text="The &quot;hot question&quot; issue is separate in my mind.  It's a known problem for all sites that I'm pretty confident is on SE's &quot;to fix&quot; list (though I doubt it's very high on that list)." CreationDate="2013-07-11T17:55:31.450" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="1725" PostId="441" Score="0" Text="I think doing it like this could have a quite unwanted side effect. In my mind an *advantage* of this association thing is that people do not need to try to &quot;get some points&quot; to somewhat use the site; this might prevent some not-so-good questions (or still worse answers) that otherwise might be made to this end. Now, perhaps this would not be that frequent. But if you give somebody 20 votes so they get somewhat in the habit of voting here,  and they used them up, then I would assume not few will just ask something. (Also they wil suceed, 15 points is not much.)" CreationDate="2013-07-11T18:30:27.757" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="22498" PostId="441" Score="2" Text="FWIW in Math.SE we have a zero participation user who has voted 57000 times. All upvotes, I dare not speculate what kind of posts are the benficiaries :-/" CreationDate="2020-07-18T22:20:33.540" UserId="15503" />
  <row Id="1851" PostId="442" Score="2" Text="Scott, to refer to meta tags use `[meta-tag:name]`. Also, it's status-declined and status-deferred." CreationDate="2013-07-13T22:50:59.317" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1726" PostId="443" Score="4" Text="Change is never good. Look at all the horrible things that have happened only because protein molecules began to change and formed protective membranes around themselves!" CreationDate="2013-07-11T21:59:59.637" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1727" PostId="443" Score="1" Text="Of course change is never good.  Nor is the status quo.  The above is proposed as an energy-minimizing tactic.  Long Live Entropy!" CreationDate="2013-07-11T22:23:30.557" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="1728" PostId="444" Score="0" Text="What is an &quot;open challenge question&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-07-11T22:39:16.173" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1729" PostId="444" Score="1" Text="@quid: I didn't mean anything completely precise, but a question of the type linked --- an open problem, but one that seems like it could be quickly solved if you pose it as a problem-solving challenge.  You know, if IMO or Putnam started putting open problems on the test..." CreationDate="2013-07-11T22:51:13.067" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="1730" PostId="444" Score="4" Text="If somebody seeks input for a res.problem and is *very* clear about what they know and intend, I might very hesitantly consider allowing this. (For actual collabortaion the site is unsuitable for one thing as this was way to noisy; this was one of the last disc. on the old meta, conclusion no. I see not reason to already revisit this.) The orig. question is absolute no-go for me; it was *not clear* it is a question where the OP knew a lot more about it then said. This is a considerable problem as it potentially wastes other peoples time. I answer here to help people, not for challenges." CreationDate="2013-07-11T23:04:45.407" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1731" PostId="444" Score="2" Text="Even if it were clear, it has nothing to do with research to refind things others did before when being prompted to do so. If enough people want a site specifically for math challenges and puzzles, it is easy enough to set one up on SE. (But I think such places exist already on the internet AoPS for example, AFAIK)" CreationDate="2013-07-11T23:07:59.437" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1732" PostId="444" Score="1" Text="To add to this it is true there are SE sites for challenges and puzzles, in programming, for example http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/ But *of course* this is a site separate from say Stack Overflow or Programmers and so on." CreationDate="2013-07-11T23:18:09.587" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1734" PostId="444" Score="0" Text="@quid: All sounds great, and as I said, I have no complaints about the current mores." CreationDate="2013-07-12T03:16:29.143" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="1735" PostId="445" Score="18" Text="All the badges are silly.  But not that big a deal." CreationDate="2013-07-12T04:14:40.107" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="1736" PostId="445" Score="0" Text="I seem to recall an old thread on tea.mathoverflow.net where Blazing Saddles and The Treasure of the Sierra Madre were brought up" CreationDate="2013-07-12T05:54:25.763" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1737" PostId="445" Score="5" Text="@AndyPutman [All badges are silly](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm), but [some are more silly than others](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/183695/146482)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T07:44:18.477" UserId="6797" />
  <row Id="1752" PostId="445" Score="3" Text="A badge spelled &quot;Sprotsmanship&quot; would be even more mysterious.  But this one is &quot;Sportsmanship&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-12T15:31:46.033" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="1744" PostId="447" Score="1" Text="Larger issues with a specific user can be dealt with more effectively by moderators, the community can only act on a per-post level. Moderators have much more powerful tools available for such situations than regular users." CreationDate="2013-07-12T12:37:37.077" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1745" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="Even when they are unregistered and keep creating new users?" CreationDate="2013-07-12T12:53:43.180" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1746" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="Moderators have some tools that make it easier to identify if they are the same user. And they need only a few clicks to either suspend or nuke the whole users and all posts belonging to it." CreationDate="2013-07-12T12:58:42.653" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1747" PostId="447" Score="2" Text="I see. In this case it's completely unneeded to use any special moderator tools to know it's the same person..." CreationDate="2013-07-12T13:00:27.037" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1748" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Sure, however mods have tools that help find new iterations of that person quickly. Ask them to keep an eye on it, they'll be able to delete stuff quite easily. And keep flagging." CreationDate="2013-07-12T14:04:37.927" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1754" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="Asaf, are there currently any examples that have not yet been deleted?" CreationDate="2013-07-12T16:07:10.703" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1755" PostId="447" Score="1" Text="@Andres: I flagged four posts today, and all have been deleted at this point. You should be able to see those deletions on the moderator tools, I believe." CreationDate="2013-07-12T16:14:25.560" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1757" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="OK, they are already deleted. (Hmm... No, none of them appear on the list.)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T16:18:12.937" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1759" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="(Ah, some sleuthing revealed hypothetical history, funny non-well-orderings, and the like.)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T16:25:43.633" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1761" PostId="447" Score="2" Text="@Andres: I only recalled a few about supertasks and what seems like thinly veiled insults towards Joel, and a couple about some permutations of the rationals... Were there more?" CreationDate="2013-07-12T16:35:52.150" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1762" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="Those are the ones I found. Pointless and boring." CreationDate="2013-07-12T16:38:52.773" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1763" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="And [back](http://mathoverflow.net/q/136530/)." CreationDate="2013-07-12T16:54:58.843" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1764" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="Still ice-skating uphill http://mathoverflow.net/questions/136539/who-asks-for-omega" CreationDate="2013-07-12T18:28:06.057" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1766" PostId="447" Score="2" Text="Someone just upvoted the &quot;question&quot; linked to in my previous comment. I hope that's just a sock-puppet, alternatives are too depressing" CreationDate="2013-07-12T18:34:55.783" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1768" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="@Yemon: I fail to believe otherwise. The question is tagged with [tag:trollery]." CreationDate="2013-07-12T18:47:35.340" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1784" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi There are some users that (as a matter of principle, it appears) upvote everything with negative score." CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:57:33.587" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1792" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist, I think you are exaggerating the usefulness of the mod tools. A few months ago someone was posting advertisements for some African university on cstheory as answers and the mod tools were not useful to deal with it. We had to ask SE admins to put a particular rule for similar posts. I think it is much more efficient to have community deal with these cases without waiting for a mod, and IIRC, users with too many of spam posts automatically get banned from posting. I think flagging as spam is the right way to deal with these, these posts _are_ really advertisements." CreationDate="2013-07-13T05:20:34.393" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1793" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh I was including the ability to ask SE for blacklists in my mention of mod tools, the community can't do that effectively. The community can deal very well with individual posts, but they can' stop a user from creating even more posts. SE is also working on some improvements that would make it much harder for spammers to recreate accounts that fast." CreationDate="2013-07-13T07:22:43.273" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="1794" PostId="447" Score="1" Text="@MadScientist, Kaveh: The problem here is that we are not dealing with spammers per se. We're dealing with trolls." CreationDate="2013-07-13T08:34:05.887" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1877" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, I thought the discussion is about cranks not trolls. For trolls there are other flag options: &quot;rude/offensive&quot; or &quot;not constructive&quot;. I don't think [cranks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank) are necessarily [trolls](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll), at least not by definition nor in my experience. Maybe we are using &quot;crank&quot; to mean different things, you can check [this](http://meta.cs.stackexchange.com/questions/647/what-constitues-an-appropriate-check-my-proof-question/652#652) to see what I mean by &quot;crank&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-14T06:11:08.760" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1882" PostId="447" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh: Well, this particular case is for cranks which are also trolls. But yes, the general thread is about cranks. I don't think that anyone that has spent more than two years answering questions on math websites can mistake the meaning of &quot;cranks&quot;, and no one that has spent any period of time moderator a community can mistake the meaning of &quot;trolls&quot;. We both did these things, so we both must be on agreement on these terms." CreationDate="2013-07-14T07:51:24.363" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16434" PostId="447" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: Sadly, I recently have to conclude that there are a number of self-deluding people who have spent more than two years answering questions on MO or Math SE but yet literally adore cranks and antagonize anyone who criticizes them. I totally agree with you that crank posts ought to be classified as spam or low quality, but unfortunately it's a hard sell to Math SE moderators. Sigh..." CreationDate="2018-06-11T04:24:31.967" UserId="50073" />
  <row Id="1751" PostId="448" Score="0" Text="I think StackExchange wants to keep the focus on questions with a right answer. Maybe this has caused a problem on other StackExchange sites, but I feel like the history of MathOverflow has shown that this is not a problem for us." CreationDate="2013-07-12T15:27:16.590" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1753" PostId="448" Score="3" Text="@JasonPolak: &quot;but I feel like the history of MathOverflow has shown that this is not a problem for us&quot; I think some would vehemently disagree. Actually, I think a lot of the debates we had over the  years would not have been needed if it were not for the existence of CW. (I do not elaborate, as this is not the subject here.)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T16:00:50.113" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1756" PostId="448" Score="3" Text="An additional detail: I think frequent users asking something in CW is sufficiently rare relative to the general CW-able material that it does not even change that much regarding volumr of requests. (If an OP does not ask right away in CW, to ask them to turn it CW is most of the time not enough, since the answeres are not CWed without moderator intervention. And again many either do not know or care about this and *ask* OP to turn the question CW while *at the same time answering* in non-CW. Just that I do not have to see this again would be enough to be happy  about it having changed.)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T16:18:04.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1767" PostId="448" Score="6" Text="@quid: I don't think it was the existence of CW per se that caused problems in the past, but rather the quality of the questions. I believe in any case that questions which solicit opinions or do not otherwise admit definitive answers ought to be CW, and that many on the old system had the good sense to know when that applied. What I really want is for users to be treated as adults, and not have to go running to momma and poppa (i.e., the moderators) to get permission to do something they know is right. The issue of rep is rather secondary in my view." CreationDate="2013-07-12T18:40:23.397" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1769" PostId="448" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble In that case, ee if you can get more moderators. It seems like you've been running on a system where the community handles itself. That's great, but the mods need to be able to pitch in. Just flagging it should work" CreationDate="2013-07-12T19:38:29.307" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="1779" PostId="448" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: the issue is well explained in the blogpost I link to. CW creates a vague area for weak questions that however for some &quot;do not really count&quot; and thus are still tolerated. Had there been no CW mode I doubt some questions would have happened (or stayed open)." CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:21:35.540" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1780" PostId="448" Score="4" Text="quid, that's really neither here nor there because there are no plans to get rid of CW. The whole issue is over who gets to decide CW." CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:24:33.143" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1783" PostId="448" Score="0" Text="I intended this as a reply to your &quot;I don't think it was the existence of CW per se that caused problems in the past, but rather the quality of the questions.&quot; So I gave an argument why the existence of CW and the existence of a certain type of questions is not unrelated. Of course, if noone asked these question to begin with there would be no problem. But the existence of CW makes it worse. But I agree this is tangential, also I did not start this debate. Actually I wanted to avoid it explicitly." CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:51:23.903" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1785" PostId="448" Score="0" Text="Thanks for explaining, quid. Glad we agree it's tangential!" CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:58:59.113" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1803" PostId="448" Score="1" Text="@Manishearth : I'm fine with moderators pitching in; the thing I don't like is that it is *only* moderators who can have the finger on the CW button. This seems to me, in a practical sense, an unnecessary degree of control (and I don't like any time delay between non-CW converting to CW; it should be something that can be rendered *instantly*, IMO)." CreationDate="2013-07-13T16:20:40.353" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16976" PostId="448" Score="0" Text="As far as I can tell, questions can be made CW only by mods (on SE sites) since 2010, see this answer: [What can we do to make Community Wiki better?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/67039/what-can-we-do-to-make-community-wiki-better/67192#67192) (Also other posts [linked to this question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/67039) might be useful.) Although the blog post that was linked in quid's answer has probably more detailed explanation of the rationale behind this: [The Future of Community Wiki](https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/08/19/the-future-of-community-wiki/)." CreationDate="2018-08-20T08:24:40.623" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1765" PostId="449" Score="7" Text="It's hard to evaluate your answer when you intentionally withhold arguments (for fear of taking the &quot;debate off-track&quot; -- what debate?). I also think you might be exaggerating the chaos that would ensue, and also perhaps whatever confusion did ensue under the old system. (It certainly escaped my attention.)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T18:30:54.077" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1771" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="I did not give the arguments why I prefer the current situation over the old one, as this seemed irrelevant as you suggested something still different. (Replace debate by thread; I did not want to start a debate about rep in general mixed in with what should or not be genarally on MO.) Also, I answered some of you side question, why this was done for example. But since we are evaluating: your request is not quite precise, which reputation limit do you propose, roughly only order of magnitude 10, 100, 1000, 10000? might make a difference to evaluate your request ;)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T20:53:25.497" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1772" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Did you pay attention to the fact whether an OP of a question that was asked (sometimes in a rude form) why it is not CW had had the rep to make it CW right away? If you did not pay attention to this, of course you did not notice it happening. And  some of the CWing-debates in comments were quite pointless. In addition to the clean way always would have been anyway just to flag as often there were answers already. I rememeber several question with more than one comment on CWing it (with unresponsive OP simply  not online) but seemingly noone had idea to flag over hours (I did then typically)." CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:01:45.200" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1773" PostId="449" Score="2" Text="I didn't propose any rep. As I said in another comment, the issue of rep is not a primary concern with me, but I know it is with some people. If pressed, I would propose the old 10 as fine by me, but some people who would seemingly prefer to place power in the hands of moderators might prefer 10000 (where moderator tools kick in)." CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:04:27.860" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1774" PostId="449" Score="3" Text="your last comment is giving me an impression of being argumentative. If so, I wish you would calm down." CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:06:12.510" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1775" PostId="449" Score="1" Text="Now this is much cleaner, if it should be CW it must be flagged. And that's simple and clear. No need for comments regarding it except perhaps to signal that somebody flagged already. I mean some people even voted to close if the question was not inline with there expectation regarding CW. I always felt this was very inappropriate. Now this likely will die out. Except if we restart it with the added issue that more might get a completely unjustified vote to close as not all will pay attention to threshold." CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:07:35.800" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1776" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="The last comment was written befor seeing yours." CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:08:24.583" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1777" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="It is not argumentative. It is a simple question: did you pay attention to it? And, if not how should you have notice the confusion I claimed existed but you did not notice?" CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:09:42.043" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1778" PostId="449" Score="1" Text="I might not have paid it much attention, quid, if I was not the one calling for CW. But I wonder if others feel, as you do, that the situation was calamitous?" CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:14:28.907" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1781" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Regarding the rep: I thought the mention of rep reffered to something else. I would say to attach a rough rep-value to the threshold you want for being allowed to ask in CW could still make sense. It might make a difference for some. For instance, while I do not consider the workload argument (not yours) as very convincing as it is rather rare, I would say one really should agree it is not a relevant argument if it only were to apply for 10k, because how often would this even be relevant then. Once or twice a month I would guess." CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:28:15.097" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1782" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Regarding calamitou: I think you too complained on at least one occasion because somebody voted to close something as they thought it should be CW but was not. (I might have a hard time finding this and perhaps it was somebody else. But I think it was you.) And, again, many people simply did not know that one also needed to pay attention regarding answers. So of course they did not notice if this was not in-line, and thus did not see the problem. (It is not a huge problem, but only to get the point across why I consider it as a progress that no it must be flagged, as opp. to having a mix.)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T21:34:03.230" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1799" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="quid, you wear me out; I am being told now to avoid extended discussions, and I really don't have voluminous amounts of time to respond to each and every point you make (and many of which I take issue with). I will say however that I find your remarks on the specific question I linked to unwarrantedly speculative. If you would like to continue the discussion offline, presumably you would know how to contact me. But, _basta_." CreationDate="2013-07-13T15:27:35.717" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1800" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Okay, let us leave it. But, first you complain I do not give enough arguments, then you complain I give too many. (As a general aside: that you are told to avoid extended discussion is a sort of irrelevant notice by the software in particular for meta, mainly there to point to the existence of the chat-functionality. So we could also discuss this is chat. Yet, since you do not have much time, actually, neither have I. But, again, you complained I do not expain my point in full, so I felt somewhat obliged to explain more. *I* warned from the start on a lengthy debate would follow :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-13T15:37:55.903" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1801" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Your first edit was fine, quid. The second one I take some exception to. Part of it could be a language thing, but instead of &quot;policy&quot; (I don't think there are hard and fast *policies* which dictate when CW is to be applied), I would say there are *general rules of thumb*, and applications of such can be determined by authors. The whole bit about &quot;hands&quot; was also completely unnecessary, since I'm obviously not talking about *removing* control from moderators." CreationDate="2013-07-13T15:56:42.757" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1802" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="One more thing I should mention: yes, I did read (yesterday) the blog post you keep referring to." CreationDate="2013-07-13T16:12:08.877" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1804" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="I changed 'policy' to 'guidelines' (which is the word used for information related to this given in faqs,  sorry for any irritation arising from the word). Also, I made even more explicit that the reason I give for CW-ing in this case is of course my interpretation of the situation. It might be wrong. However, there were cases where things like this were made explict. It is IMO simply a reality that CW is *also* used (maybe or not in this case) to create some type of &quot;second class questions&quot; (compare Benjamin Steinberg's answer). I am against this way of using CW." CreationDate="2013-07-13T16:25:09.140" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1805" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Okay, thanks. I of course agree that CW has been abused on occasion in the past. But I stand by my opinion that Frank Thorne has not indulged in any questionable behavior whatsoever, slipping in a question through a back door as it were. In fact, the question is absolutely fine IMO and concerns a situation many professionals will face, and it is certain that there is no definitive or objective right answer; in my understanding CW is highly appropriate for that, and there is certainly a long history of CW being applied that way on MO. With that, I think we can let the matter rest for now." CreationDate="2013-07-13T16:36:04.003" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1809" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Just to be clear: I completely agree that Frank Thorne has not indulged in any questionable behavior (and never wanted to suggest otherwise, sorry if this came across differently). I also think that the question is alright. Also, I agree that there is a long history of this use on MO. Only, I think this history also caused problems, and it would be better to leave this history behind, and, say, to have this particular CW question as a normal question and some other CW questions not at all (and very  few questions still in CW). But, I assume we can agree to disagree about this final point." CreationDate="2013-07-13T17:14:31.040" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1770" PostId="450" Score="0" Text="&quot;We can't make the moderators do work every time such a question pops up.&quot; How many questions were there that are right away correctly asked in CW? (If it is not asked right away in CW in most cases they need to do the exact same work anyway to make the existing answers CW.) Maybe let us wait for a moderator to say if they see a problem with the workload coming from this, if this is the only argument in favor of the change. (I only know that I flagged some about 50, I think, over time that were *not* made CW while it would have been possible, or turned CW &quot;half-way&quot;.)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T20:43:14.427" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1808" PostId="456" Score="5" Text="This is good, though I also agree that &quot;professional mathematicians&quot; is better than research mathematicians." CreationDate="2013-07-13T16:51:15.620" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="1810" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="I think it could really help to avoid some off-topic questions if this description were used instead of just 'for mathematicians' what we have now as the *official* description. I agree professional is better given the context. The word 'professional' is also used in the description of other sites (when applicable)." CreationDate="2013-07-13T17:26:58.177" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1811" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="Why should our definition be relative to math.se?" CreationDate="2013-07-13T17:28:21.500" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1812" PostId="456" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: In order to give people an alternative so that they won't just ask inappropriate questions here anyway." CreationDate="2013-07-13T17:30:40.963" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="1813" PostId="456" Score="1" Text="But why put that in the *definition*? There's other places to tell people what the alternatives are, and there is more than just one alternative." CreationDate="2013-07-13T17:33:14.130" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1815" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="The same reason you should only ever put one question in an email: because people don't like to read more than one thing." CreationDate="2013-07-13T17:37:44.457" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="1816" PostId="456" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: if you do not think the mention of math.SE is a good idea (I can see reasons for or against it), I would *also* think this would avoid some off-topic questions if the last sentence were removed. Even if only 'professional' was added to mathematicians I think this would already have some positive effect. The plain 'mathematicians' is really misleading, IMO, in the context of the other sites' descriptions that often-times make and amateur/professional/both distinction. And if nothing is said I think the *most reasoable* assumption would be 'both', yet it's wrong in our case." CreationDate="2013-07-13T17:48:34.283" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1818" PostId="456" Score="2" Text="But to add to what Noah Snyder said: because the description is the *only* thing people inside the network will see in a list of sites and insider the network math.SE is the main alternative. If somebody is searching for a math site in the SE network I think they will go by this description mainly. Here is a link to the list of all sites and their descriptions: http://stackexchange.com/sites?view=list#traffic I think it is fair to say at the moment we have one of the least informative descriptions of all the sites." CreationDate="2013-07-13T18:03:10.787" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1820" PostId="456" Score="2" Text="These days I'm inclined to think that &quot;professional mathematicians&quot;, while not exactly what we mean, would be far better for practical purposes than &quot;research mathematicians.&quot; We can always make exceptions for those doing maths as a hobby at a sufficiently high level, no?" CreationDate="2013-07-13T18:16:05.427" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1821" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="Only a very small fraction of that is from stackexchange.com. We get twice as much traffic from reddit, for example. The fact is, at least 90% of our traffic never sees the site definition. It's just not as preeminent as people think. The best place to say these things is on the ask page: 100% of people who ask questions here see that page." CreationDate="2013-07-13T18:18:09.710" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1822" PostId="456" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: please have a look at the site while **not** being logged in. This description is in the banner that is shown then on the front page. This description is how 'about' starts. And, this banner (in non expanded form, but still displaying this descrption) is shown *one each individual posts page* for users not logged in. It is quite unclear to me how somebody should arrive to use the site and *not* see it. From inside or outside the network it does not matter." CreationDate="2013-07-13T18:37:57.107" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1830" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="@quid: Sure, but it doesn't show up on the ask page. Are you trying to encourage people not to *look* at MO? What good would that do? How many sites do you go to immediately suggest another site at the top of each page?" CreationDate="2013-07-13T19:11:03.030" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1831" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: the point is that, since you mentioned reddit traffic, some might arrive here to read some interesting post linked somewhere. Then they know the site. Then at some point the might have a math question and perhaps will remmeber the site and think 'Oh, surely I could ask this there.' And might not pay any further attention. Or, even if they do the might be set on the idea to ask here and thus not redecide. Now, this are a lot of mights. However, since you seem to think it is not so important anyway why not change it (and fine, as I said, drop mention of math.SE if you like)." CreationDate="2013-07-13T19:44:41.883" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1832" PostId="456" Score="4" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: But also, I observed more than one instance already of somebody asking a completely off-topic question here that, as I checked, had an stackoverflow account. It seems not unlikely they arrived somehow inter-network. And would have had no problem to ask at math.SE had they known. So I continue to think changing the descrption could avoid *some* (obviouly not all) off-topic questions. Also, even if it would not avoid them only having the descrption handy can help to point to on closing to avoid comments like 'Hey, but this is a math site! How can this be off-topic?'" CreationDate="2013-07-13T19:50:04.847" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1833" PostId="456" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: Finally, noone wanted to discourage people from reading as the descrption talks about what questions are accepted. But if you press me, personally, I would even want to discourage random people from reading the site. What good does it do that people not knowing the first thing about math-research read  the site? (I can see some good, like general publicity for the field, but this is massively outweight by the potential of getting ever more off-topic content uninformed voters and all kind of other inconvenience.)" CreationDate="2013-07-13T19:53:01.017" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1834" PostId="456" Score="1" Text="@quid: I have no problem changing the tagline; I even suggested a different one myself. I'm strongly against any reference to any other site in the tagline, though. The visit counts I mentioned above were specifically from stackexchange.com (where you see all the sites with their taglines); most of our in-network traffic comes from math.se and stackoverflow. Even if you add all these up, they don't even account for 20% of our traffic. By far the largest source of traffic is google.com." CreationDate="2013-07-13T20:27:18.623" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1836" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: thank you for this additional information. Since you seem  not to like the Ph.D.-mention either, from what you said in the other thread, perhaps we could just add the 'professional' (which was an option I also just mentioned), so 'professional mathematicians' instead of 'mathematicians.' The faqs ask to be professional, so this must be a good word to add :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-13T20:49:45.140" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1849" PostId="456" Score="1" Text="@quid: I do prefer the term professional, mostly for i18n reasons. Personally, I don't think any of the suggestions are perfectly adequate but I suspect there simply isn't a perfect word to put there." CreationDate="2013-07-13T22:26:05.467" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1860" PostId="456" Score="3" Text="&quot;Professional mathematicians&quot; is not a bad shorthand; it's pithier than what might be more accurate, &quot;mathematicians of professional caliber&quot; (the difference being that some people answering to that description are not actually paid as mathematicians)." CreationDate="2013-07-14T00:20:04.163" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="27517" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="Since the link in this post is not working at the moment, I will at least include a [Wayback Machine snapshot](https://web.archive.org/web/20131024050707/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1606/what-will-front-page-be-on-the-mo-stackexchange-site/) of that discussion on tea." CreationDate="2022-07-19T09:53:21.270" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1824" PostId="457" Score="0" Text="Hehe.${}{}{}{}$" CreationDate="2013-07-13T18:54:55.077" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1826" PostId="457" Score="2" Text="Well, the site is running for about 1400 days, and there are 30,000 users. So I suppose there are *a lot* of sock puppets! :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-13T19:00:21.153" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1827" PostId="457" Score="0" Text="My first idea upon seeing this was that it could be along the lines of what @AsafKaragila mentions that they take the actual age but only the visits since the move. But even for this it cannot be 1. Now, another idea would be that the number is only calculated once every, say, 30days. So this did never happen after the move so far. Or it is still something else." CreationDate="2013-07-13T19:03:13.363" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1829" PostId="457" Score="1" Text="(@AndresCaicedo: at the moment my system refuses to render MathJax so I see you comment as typed `Hehe.${}{}{}{}$`. As I asked for on another ocassion could you please not use MathJax in ways it was never intended for. I think Andrew Stacey can give you some advice how to still post too short comments without using MathJax, some invisible character or something.)" CreationDate="2013-07-13T19:07:33.040" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1838" PostId="457" Score="2" Text="${}{}{}{}{}{}{}$" CreationDate="2013-07-13T20:53:40.317" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1840" PostId="457" Score="0" Text="@AndresCaicedo: I take it this your way of contributing to the collegiality of the site to now post empty, but not quite, comments via typing `${}{}{}{}{}{}{}$` I intend to start a meta thread on the general matter of mis-use of MathJax soon." CreationDate="2013-07-13T21:01:12.957" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1843" PostId="457" Score="1" Text="@quid:$\vphantom{I think there is a big difference between using empty braces to pad up some text, and mis-using LaTeX. Furthermore, I think that generating empty characters is a vastly more difficult task in comparison to holding down the shift key and a couple double-taps on the braces. I think that requesting this sort of request is unreasonable.}$" CreationDate="2013-07-13T21:17:56.507" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1847" PostId="457" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: I do not intend to continue the discussion any further here. But, it seems also perfectly possibly to just fill the comment with something else in addition. I do not know, say, '(MO is great!)' or simply not post to short comments in the first place. If you consider it as a unreasonable request that intentionally placed restrictions on the site are not circumvented in ways that cause problems for others, then I do not quite know what to reply. (To be cleare: the reference to the other poss. was meant more in a joking way.)" CreationDate="2013-07-13T21:43:44.123" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1848" PostId="457" Score="3" Text="@quid: I think that we all find *some* feature or another to be at least somewhat unreasonable: association bonus/CW of questions for mods only/the poor handling of crank math on the main, at least at the moment/strange badges/etc. I find the limitation of a comment of 15 letters to be reasonable for other sites (I can imagine SO being bombarded with `:-)` and `me too` or `LOL` comments all the time), but I find it generally less reasonable for &quot;well-behaved communities&quot; like MO (and MSE, for that matter, at least for the most part)." CreationDate="2013-07-13T21:46:40.267" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1850" PostId="457" Score="0" Text="Let's not have a big fight about this commenting trick. Personally I'd certainly be happier if people wanting to do things like this use invisible characters from Unicode, rather than MathJax. It seems less of a hack, and won't screw things up when viewed without MathJax." CreationDate="2013-07-13T22:35:12.443" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1852" PostId="457" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila: I think you misunderstood my concern a bit; the problem I have is the 'in ways that cause problem for others' not the circumvention of the character limit itself (which I do not consider particullarly necessary either, the limit I mean, well in the end also the circumventing but this is not what I meant to say). Also, and this is more for Scott Morrison, I did not want to start any fight, my intent is/was more to request that this is avoided/minimized as a courtesy. I will create the announced meta-thread soon. Perhaps my intent then becomes clearer." CreationDate="2013-07-13T22:58:56.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1875" PostId="457" Score="10" Text="The number of visits is now 0, it seems they got rid of that suck-puppet." CreationDate="2013-07-14T06:03:32.273" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1955" PostId="457" Score="4" Text="I mentioned this in http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/17/12705, but it apparently went unnoticed. The number is steadily going down: it stood at 5 ten days ago, it was 3 last Thursday (IIRC), and it is 0 now. I’m eagerly waiting when $-1$ appears." CreationDate="2013-07-15T12:08:07.050" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="1853" PostId="458" Score="0" Text="If I understand things correctly this is identical to (a certain part of) the description  we dicussed on several occassions. At least it seems so in practise it is the same for all sites I checked. Is this necessarily so?" CreationDate="2013-07-13T23:05:44.590" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1854" PostId="458" Score="0" Text="@quid, which description is that?" CreationDate="2013-07-13T23:07:45.503" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1855" PostId="458" Score="2" Text="The sentence that is in the banner one sees on the frontpage and every questions page when not logged in. The starting sentence in 'about'. The slightly different sentence in this list http://stackexchange.com/sites?view=list#traffic Currently it is 'MathOverflow is a question and answer site for mathematicians' and I think this is of the form: [Name of the site] is a question and answer site for [the target audience]. And, [the target audience] is what is the 'hoover text', at least this seems to be so for all sites I checked." CreationDate="2013-07-13T23:18:13.163" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1856" PostId="458" Score="0" Text="Indeed, it looks like we'd be changing that sentence too. I think the proposals below all work grammatically." CreationDate="2013-07-13T23:21:24.447" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="1857" PostId="458" Score="1" Text="&quot;In the ivory tower&quot; :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-13T23:29:35.823" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2019" PostId="458" Score="2" Text="I've emailed SE asking to make the change to 'professional mathematicians'." CreationDate="2013-07-16T19:52:46.653" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2033" PostId="458" Score="0" Text="I think &quot;Professional Mathematics&quot; goes further to dissuade as well as offers less of a target than &quot;Professional Mathematicians&quot;, and is less flip than &quot;In the Ivory Tower&quot;.  There will be no stopping the cranks, and the incognoscenti might worry that there will be an attached fee.  Maybe add &quot;PayPal accepted&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-17T00:21:23.710" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="1859" PostId="461" Score="0" Text="While in general I'd prefer 'research' given the context I prefer 'professional' among others as it is used by other sites to distinguish themselves from related ones for amateur or mixed audience." CreationDate="2013-07-13T23:35:06.957" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1901" PostId="461" Score="4" Text="I like this one, though I think it would be better with a &quot;For&quot; in front of it, or else people might think this is a group of professional mathematicians that are willing to answer anything." CreationDate="2013-07-14T17:44:59.563" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="2005" PostId="461" Score="0" Text="@JasonPolak: As mentioned in my comemnt on OP, this text-snippet will be (at other places) included in a phrase where there is indeed a 'for' preceeding it. For the 'hover' this would apply to all other sites listed, too, and thus the 'for' will/should be implicitly understood when seeing it there. One might make a feature-request to change this in general. But as things are now, there cannot be a for  here, since then it would read in about and the banner  &quot;MO is a q&amp;a site for *for professional mathematicians*.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-16T10:04:54.627" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1862" PostId="462" Score="14" Text="Could you suggest a non-MathJax solution for padding comments to overcome the 15-character lower bound, a solution other than abstinence? :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-14T01:03:37.063" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="1863" PostId="462" Score="2" Text="I think is related also to the issue of gratuitous texifying. When viewed with a mobile using cellular data it slows everything down." CreationDate="2013-07-14T01:29:00.323" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="1864" PostId="462" Score="3" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: I intended to just reply 'Yes, of course I can do this.' to point out indirectly that a simple 'yes' can be quite naturally expanded into something having more than 15 characters, and the same should apply for most very short comments. But, then I thought I will add this explanation right away to avoid potential confusion, which very short comments can often create. However, all this is in some sense a form of abstinence. Some know how to get invisible (unicode) characters; personally, I don't of hand. Those that know might share the knwledge here. If not, I might investigate." CreationDate="2013-07-14T02:06:10.437" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1865" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg: indeed, I thought about mentioning this reasoning against too much MathJax from a recent discussion while writing this. But then did not include it. Thank you for the addition." CreationDate="2013-07-14T02:11:46.307" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1867" PostId="462" Score="7" Text="Test. . . . . ." CreationDate="2013-07-14T02:38:31.040" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1868" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="In my previous comment, I just added periods separated by a space until the lower bound was reached." CreationDate="2013-07-14T02:39:07.413" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="1869" PostId="462" Score="2" Text="@JoelReyesNoche: yes, 'filler text' that is visually rather non-intrusive is another simple possibility." CreationDate="2013-07-14T02:41:19.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1874" PostId="462" Score="3" Text="Joseph asks a good question, and I can easily imagine people not being aesthetically satisfied with Joel's solution. I don't like the heading &quot;What could be a solution?&quot; because the only &quot;solution&quot; you give is &quot;don't do this thing that bothers me&quot;, which is redundant. (Hey: why do we even need this 15 character lower bound anyway?)" CreationDate="2013-07-14T05:19:57.047" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1880" PostId="462" Score="5" Text="Many (most?) questions/answers/comments on this site have (unavoidably) loads of MathJax. I would have thought that on a device where MathJax is processed improperly or slowly, this site would be nearly impossible to use anyway, and the occasional whitespace hack would be the smallest of problems. But maybe I don't understand how it all works (wouldn't be the first time)." CreationDate="2013-07-14T06:37:38.607" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="1884" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: What heading would you prefer? It is formulated in the conditional and I say *a* not *the*. I am honestly suprised you still have an issue with that. But I am happy to change it. Also, I did not suggest that people not do it at all but just less often, and also restricted it to 'some' as I anticipated some others will insist on continuing to do this, and I have no intent to start a long debate about this; else I could have approached this quite differently, since this usage of MJ is not the intended one, and that this works at all could qualify as bug." CreationDate="2013-07-14T09:36:32.440" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1885" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: Also, I mentioned in comments another solutions using invisible characters. I guess somebody will provide the details in not too long (there is a nondetailed discussion of this on 'tea'). If not, as I said, I might look into that myself. I prefer not to answer your question why there is a limit since last time you got unhappy me explaining the rational of a design decision here. (But personally I do not need the limit as I said.) If you could suggest another headline, I will likely replace it. As is, it truly not clear what but 'could be a sol.' you prefer." CreationDate="2013-07-14T09:46:29.623" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1886" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson: Why should it be impossible to use the site if MathJax is processed improprely *in the way I describe*? I simply see the MathJax source with in most cases is easy enough to understand and not a distraction. For the slowness, please note that I said 'contributes to'. Finally a reason that might contribute to, beyond it being more frequent (if this is even true but I think it is), me noticing this more is that now it is also used on meta which is pretty free from any MathJax otherwise." CreationDate="2013-07-14T09:58:10.983" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1890" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="quid: (1) there is no need to bring up the other thread. I operate on a case-by-case basis. (2) It seems to me the title could be &quot;Bottom Line&quot;, and it would be clearer to replace the first few words &quot;A simple solution could be that&quot; by &quot;Hopefully&quot;, since there is no solution described, whether with an indefinite or definite article. You want me to edit that?" CreationDate="2013-07-14T12:11:09.737" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1895" PostId="462" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble: thank you for the feedback, I made an edit (I hope in the sense you intended). For (1): Okay. So: AFAIK, the intent the character limit is to encourage people to write longer and thus more informative comments. This does however not work so well, IMO, since there are numerous ways to get by the limit otherwise. Personnaly, I think this chracterlimit does more harm than good, while the orginal idea seems reasonable." CreationDate="2013-07-14T13:31:20.347" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1896" PostId="462" Score="2" Text="quid: thanks, that looks a lot clearer to me. Also: we agree that this 15 character thing is actually not a great idea, but I'm glad to have your insight on why it's there to begin with. Finally: I like this question, and hope that some clever person will provide a clever answer." CreationDate="2013-07-14T13:39:54.743" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1904" PostId="462" Score="1" Text="I can.​​​​​​​​​​" CreationDate="2013-07-14T19:38:18.780" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1905" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="@AndrewStacey: yes, I known! Somewhere else, just before starting this thread I mentioned you as leading expert in this craft. :-)  But could you perhaps also share the knwoledge in an accesible way?" CreationDate="2013-07-14T19:42:16.840" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1907" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="I can.​​​​​​​​​​" CreationDate="2013-07-14T19:48:01.550" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1908" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="Contrary to what I claim I still cannot actually do this, it was only copy paste." CreationDate="2013-07-14T19:49:16.243" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1911" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="@quid I didn't know that my infamy was so well-known.  I'll add the details to my answer." CreationDate="2013-07-14T19:54:54.327" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1917" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="test test test test" CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:24:10.003" UserId="33842" />
  <row Id="1922" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="@TheUser: did you try a &quot;spoiler&quot;? It seemed so from the inbox, but not sure." CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:42:54.433" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1927" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="I tried HTML comments, it did not work. Let me try instiki-comments: {: blabla }" CreationDate="2013-07-14T21:06:01.847" UserId="33842" />
  <row Id="2098" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="Sorry for the bump! I was sure I had found another addition to this (I thought useful), tried to reproduce it for reference, but it failed so I delted it." CreationDate="2013-07-19T12:35:46.280" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1879" PostId="464" Score="4" Text="The &quot;instructional counterexamples&quot; question was posted in March 2010. MO has changed since then, and it is generally accepted that &quot;but question x from 2010 is still open&quot; is not a sufficient argument for keeping question x' from 2013 open." CreationDate="2013-07-14T06:22:32.010" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2088" PostId="464" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson: Thank you for your information. I have been trying to browse through past, more recent Soft Questions to grasp my question's fitness and may have found one that I hope can support my question. I have edited my request above." CreationDate="2013-07-19T01:16:33.113" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="2089" PostId="464" Score="3" Text="You really have to make a case for your question on its own merits. I think you have to rewrite it in line with the comments on it to give it a chance of being (re-)re-opened. By the way, the &quot;habits&quot; question was somewhat controversial, and went through a close-reopen cycle." CreationDate="2013-07-19T01:59:58.990" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2099" PostId="464" Score="2" Text="To strength what @GerryMyerson said &quot;somewhat controversial&quot; is quite an understatement of my opinion on this other question. And, Le Pressentiment in my opinion you use this thread in a way it it is not intended. You anyway have a meta-question on your question, *and* there is already an entry in this thread for you question, *and now you edit* your additional entry. This is a bit too much, in my opinion." CreationDate="2013-07-19T12:44:20.930" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2115" PostId="464" Score="0" Text="@quid: I have made another post but in the Meta-question following your request. I referenced the question on Habits because the sheer number of users who have upvoted, favourited, and its status as open seem to imply its relevance and significance. Please let me know if you have other suggestions." CreationDate="2013-07-20T02:47:26.780" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="2187" PostId="464" Score="0" Text="Also, I would be grateful for explanations from those who downvoted." CreationDate="2013-07-23T02:55:00.363" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="2194" PostId="464" Score="0" Text="The original link is broken, due to &quot;moderation.&quot;  Should this answer now be deleted?" CreationDate="2013-07-23T08:36:56.707" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="2197" PostId="464" Score="0" Text="@Carl: the question was deleted (by users) some time ago (I slightly disagree with the deletion for abstarct reasons, and there are two votes to undelete) before the latest edit to this answer. There thus seems no reason that now this answer should be deleted. (Though I wished this entire episode came to an end soon.) // To OP: if you mean the downvotes to this meta-answer, I think it is clear enough from what I wrote why one might downvote this (which I actually did). But also one can consider a downvote simply as vote against reopening." CreationDate="2013-07-23T08:50:24.143" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2198" PostId="464" Score="0" Text="@quid and OP: Sorry.  I guess the point is that ordinary users cannot see the original question after deletion and so cannot participate in discussion.  But as you say, this is probably for the best." CreationDate="2013-07-23T09:05:39.157" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="1878" PostId="465" Score="0" Text="Another alternative. I feel that being a mathematician is already a profession, so _professional mathematicians_ sounds a bit odd to me. Same issue with _research mathematicians_. On the other hand, I don't think others outside the community understand what we mean by _research mathematics_ or _research-level mathematics_, and even if they do they may not be able to decide the level of their question. It looks to me that they think if they are looking for an answer to a mathematical problem they are researching in mathematics." CreationDate="2013-07-14T06:19:42.623" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1887" PostId="465" Score="0" Text="One could get all Saunders Mac Lane and say &quot;people employed with jobs that say mathematician in the job title&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-14T10:24:08.003" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="1891" PostId="465" Score="1" Text="Kaveh, does *amateur mathematician* sound odd to you?" CreationDate="2013-07-14T12:17:46.587" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="1892" PostId="465" Score="0" Text="@Gerry, I don't think that would imply &quot;professional mathematician&quot; not sounding a bit odd. Maybe that is because I haven't heard someone being called a professional mathematician. I thought this might be a better alternative, but in any case, &quot;professional mathematician&quot; doesn't sound too odd." CreationDate="2013-07-14T12:40:59.550" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1894" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="For answers, it is almost trivial. But somehow for comments I do not manage it." CreationDate="2013-07-14T13:24:29.843" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1898" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="There's something very Zen or Taoist about this answer. John Baez once wrote, somewhere on the internet, &quot;Your readers might want to check out my own Taoist blog, where I say everything worth saying about the Tao.&quot; where the final words were a link to a blank page. :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-14T14:18:54.033" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1899" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="Interesting. My own idea related to this answer was that it might be fitting as reply to certain &quot;questions&quot; we get on main :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-14T14:33:12.173" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1900" PostId="466" Score="0" Text=":-D ..........." CreationDate="2013-07-14T14:39:36.333" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1913" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="Y‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌es!" CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:07:14.157" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1916" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="And‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌ so!" CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:23:01.607" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1919" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: sorry for the two preceeding comments. I did not pay attention to you being auto-notified on this thread. But, now it works following Andrew Stacey's explanation.  :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:28:02.657" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1923" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="No prob! &amp;#8203;&amp;#8203;&amp;#8203;" CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:55:49.993" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1925" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="Hm. I must be doing something dumb." CreationDate="2013-07-14T21:01:02.323" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1926" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble: To enter the html entities *directly* in comments does not work. (This is what Andrew Stacey says with &quot;Entities in comments are escaped&quot;) For an answer it would have worked though.  If you copy paste the comment in an answer box and copy the *preview* it should work. (At least if you add some more of the &quot;magic spaces&quot; and perhaps put them before the last actual character. This might not be necessary, I do not yet know all the details.)" CreationDate="2013-07-14T21:01:22.550" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2386" PostId="467" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the changes! (And, sorry, if I should come across a bit impatient sometimes. Perhaps I can blame it on the enthusiasm for the site :-))" CreationDate="2013-07-28T19:11:08.957" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2387" PostId="467" Score="0" Text="@quid: It wouldn't have happened without your reminder. There's still a lot of broken stuff and I won't have much time over the next two weeks." CreationDate="2013-07-28T19:17:00.163" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2764" PostId="468" Score="0" Text="I lost track, has everything on your list except 8 been fixed?" CreationDate="2013-08-12T18:56:14.350" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2769" PostId="468" Score="0" Text="I updated the answer to reflect what is done. Regarding 'fixing' there is still one broken link in mentioned, and one I had not mentioned but TRiG noticed it I included this with some commentary in the answer. Also 1 and 2 are not yet adress, but this is not really a fix but something larger and I think could well wait a while." CreationDate="2013-08-12T20:37:50.313" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2772" PostId="468" Score="0" Text="OK. I fixed 6. Thanks! (I'll get around to doing more soonish...)" CreationDate="2013-08-12T21:38:37.650" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1903" PostId="469" Score="3" Text="See?​​​​​​​​​​​" CreationDate="2013-07-14T19:37:07.680" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1912" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="I still cannot figure this out. I thought for a moment I knew it, but then I had way too much space. (Thus the preceeding comment &quot;Perhaps?&quot; which came out wrong ase you even noticed it.)" CreationDate="2013-07-14T19:56:55.570" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1915" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the explanation! In the end I even managed to  figure it out myself in parallel. The issue why my &quot;perhaps?&quot; above failed and had way too much space between the &quot;s&quot; and &quot;?&quot; is that I tried to copy some invisible characters from my &quot;empty&quot; answer where however I left space between several invisble ones...so. Well, in anycase, thanks a lot for the explanation!" CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:15:30.203" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1918" PostId="469" Score="1" Text="To add something more reasonable than my excitement about the newly learned trick: A way to get these things for comments *without leaving the site* is to use an aswer box to create it (using html entities), and to copy the result  from the preview into the comment. Also I find &amp;zwnj; for example easier to rememeber Zero Width No Join." CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:25:31.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1921" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="In hex it is 200B, for thos of you who can type characters on their keyboard using the code point in hexadecimal representation (on many systems there are shortcuts for it)." CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:30:51.500" UserId="33842" />
  <row Id="2081" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="It is not quite clear to me what is the etiquette on accepting answers in discussions, but then, there is not much 'competition', so. Thanks, again! And, if you missed it (and if ever you should care), I already used the skill you taught me for real, [a two letter accepted answer](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/486/9072), but in agreement with your position, I will leave it at that regarding active usage." CreationDate="2013-07-18T22:25:26.217" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2186" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="It was brought to my attention that &amp;zwnj; (zero width non-joiner), which I advertise above, is not so good as it is somewhat visible in some browsers; so it is better to use the character (zero width space) mentioned by Andrew Stacey and The User." CreationDate="2013-07-22T22:25:01.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="13354" PostId="469" Score="1" Text="Does this trick still work, or has stack exchange broken it?  I have done it or something like it in the past, but right now I am trying it and my comment is still getting rejected with &quot;Comments must be at least 15 characters in length&quot;." CreationDate="2016-07-12T23:58:59.133" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="1914" PostId="470" Score="0" Text="Y‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌es!" CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:07:52.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1920" PostId="470" Score="1" Text="Yep.​​​​​​​​​​​" CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:29:19.290" UserId="33842" />
  <row Id="2100" PostId="470" Score="4" Text="​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​" CreationDate="2013-07-19T15:42:57.847" UserId="5094" />
  <row Id="2103" PostId="470" Score="1" Text="At this writing, (on a mobile phone browser), I see &quot;Y|es!&quot;, &quot;Yep.&quot;, and &quot;-&quot;. Not exactly, but I want to indicate that quid's rendition does not look as clean as The User's rendition." CreationDate="2013-07-19T22:41:45.087" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="2118" PostId="470" Score="1" Text="​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​" CreationDate="2013-07-20T03:46:17.180" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="2183" PostId="470" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger: could you tell me if you see this again in one or both of:  Y‌es! N​o?" CreationDate="2013-07-22T21:56:39.963" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2184" PostId="470" Score="0" Text="It is more challenging, as what I perceive seems lighter than in a few comments above.  I approximate (after zooming in) it as &quot;Y(lighter |)es! No?&quot;  Again I am reporting, not doing copy-paste." CreationDate="2013-07-22T22:13:14.483" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="2185" PostId="470" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger: thanks, it somehow makes sense that this is like this. I used originally for the Yes! *several* zero width non-joiner (&amp;#8204;) then in the second Yes! only one of those, but in the No? I used a zero width space (&amp;#8203;) which is what The User used presumably (as this is what they mentioned above in hex). So it seems you can see the zero width non-joiner (and if there are several than it is more visible) but not the zero width space." CreationDate="2013-07-22T22:21:49.360" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1924" PostId="471" Score="1" Text="The MO moderators have an email address moderators&quot;at&quot;MO.net with MO expanded in the obvious way. If however it is *purely* techncical matter related to the site to contact SE seems more reasonable. Here you could try http://meta.stackoverflow.com if this worked or see here for email http://stackexchange.com/about/contact though I do not know if this is intended for such things, too, but it seems so." CreationDate="2013-07-14T20:56:35.360" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1936" PostId="471" Score="2" Text="You can also use http://isup.me/ to check if it is just you or also others (i.e. is it your problem or their problem). Also if there is some serious issue there will be a post on [Meta.SE] about it, so look around." CreationDate="2013-07-14T23:50:48.393" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6371" PostId="472" Score="0" Text="I think these are totally different.  The first one is &quot;Tell me about some relevant research I might not have heard of.&quot;  The second one is &quot;Solve my open problem.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-01-10T21:27:22.080" UserId="3711" />
  <row Id="6471" PostId="472" Score="0" Text="@arsmath That is exactly what I tried to say. It is not about the word “contest”, but about the meaning “solve my open problem”." CreationDate="2014-01-16T21:45:32.027" UserId="33842" />
  <row Id="1934" PostId="473" Score="3" Text="quid, this is hard to read. One possible way to improve readability is to shorten and simplify sentences. Another one is to break it into sections emphasizing important points with bold and italic. E.g. A short introduction to what type of questions are suitable for MO, followed by sections answering the following questions: **What is meant by a &quot;well-known open problem&quot; on MO?**, **Can I ask for a _solution_ to a well-known open problem?**, **Can I ask _about_ an open problem?**, **What can I ask about an open problem?**, **How to ask a good question about an open problem**." CreationDate="2013-07-14T23:36:22.940" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1935" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the feedback. Regarding the introduction, I agree. But, the assumption under which this was written was that it would stay where it is, that is as a subsection of http://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic so that this introduction would be present. Regarding the structuring: yes this is a good point. I am not sure if the format will allow to have many subpoints but still one could break it up into paragraphs regarding the subject you mention and highlight the key terms. Before I actually revise it I will however wait if there are some concerns voiced regarding the content." CreationDate="2013-07-14T23:48:37.967" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1937" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="I'm not clear on what the first two paragraphs are actually saying. But I think, in general, that these sorts of rules should be simple and not taken too seriously. So what Noah Snyder said, and then, if somebody violates them but it's still a good question, don't take the rule too seriously. I think this is actually what we have been doing. Longer-term, I'd advocate migrating or cross-listing certain sorts of open problem questions to more appropriate fora." CreationDate="2013-07-15T04:09:36.877" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="1951" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="@DanielMoskovich: which &quot;first two paragraphs&quot;? I infer really the first two of the post: *There always was* a point 'What about open problems?' in the FAQs and this is still there. Please see http://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic or follow the link I provided. This is *not* a new point, but a revision of an existing one. Likely I should have been clearer about that. Also, the above is IMO less strict than what we had, which started &quot;MathOverflow is not the right place to ask open problems.&quot; and this caused some confusion, thus this revision." CreationDate="2013-07-15T10:05:30.703" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1954" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="Sorry... I meant the first two paragraphs after the horizontal line." CreationDate="2013-07-15T12:01:50.357" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="1956" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="@DanielMoskovich: sorry for the misunderstanding. But could you say what you do not understand about the first two paragraphs? The first paragraph says, that some questins related to open problems are welcome and others not. The second says taht people should say if they know something is an an open problem (appearing in the literature). Via mentioning iit in the text and using the tag. The rest of it is only some explanation why this is important (which one might also drop)." CreationDate="2013-07-15T12:08:24.870" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1960" PostId="473" Score="1" Text="@quid First paragraph: How to interpret &quot;can be welcome&quot;? What is actually being said? Welcome or not? Maybe rephrase... E.g. what Noah Snyder said, &quot;1) Questions asking about famous open problem are typically closed. 2)...&quot; is easier to read and to understand. I think the FAQ needs to be short, unambiguous, and clear- each sentence should say something whose interpretation is clear and unequivocal. BTW, thanks for this- this is a great attempt to improve the FAQ!" CreationDate="2013-07-15T14:40:36.973" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="1961" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="@DanielMoskovich: thank you for the details. Re: 'can be welcome': the text continues with 'However, there are some considerations...' in other words 'they are welcome provided the follwing considerations are taken into account (if not then not)'. Re 'what Noah Snyder said': the &quot;problem&quot; here is that he said &quot;typically&quot; and I thinnk this was perfectly fine for a discussion among people that know the site as it was clear what was meant. However, as documented by my comment and his repsonse as a &quot;standalone text&quot; I would say &quot;typically closed&quot; is not really an unambigous formulation either[con]" CreationDate="2013-07-15T15:00:20.177" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1962" PostId="473" Score="1" Text="@DanielMoskovich: However, it is in retrospect true that my text is too long or 'wordy' if this is the right word. There is also the issue that I did not want to be too unwelcoming in the text either. An issue that is I think important is that te text in the FAQs *must not* be too strict and we just agree, sure we make exceptions. The point here is that this has the effect that some good new users that read the faq and take it as written might be unnecessarily scared to ask something, while those that would actually need to be scared more often than not do not read it anyway." CreationDate="2013-07-15T15:04:28.383" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1988" PostId="473" Score="2" Text="Why did someone downvote this (quid's text)? If you disagree with something written in it, please comment!" CreationDate="2013-07-16T05:35:02.947" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="1938" PostId="474" Score="3" Text="The question was closed not due to its poor original wording but because the author intentionally concealed information about known results (some published, some not), relevant numerical evidence, etc., apparently in order to issue a &quot;challenge&quot;.  I think it's great that Andres has edited the question to add this information but as long as the OP has made no effort to cooperate, or acknowledge Andres's efforts, I am reluctant to vote to reopen." CreationDate="2013-07-15T06:26:26.790" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="1939" PostId="474" Score="3" Text="There's of course a good argument for saying that we want good questions wherever they come from.  But there's a countervailing good argument for saying that bad behavior will tend to get your question closed." CreationDate="2013-07-15T06:27:51.357" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="1940" PostId="474" Score="0" Text="(I agree with Steven.)" CreationDate="2013-07-15T06:53:04.527" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="9893" PostId="474" Score="0" Text="As the question stands now it is a blatant nonsense--the sum of points on a unit circle $\ S,\ $ centered at $\ 0\ $ is not $\ 0,\ $ not in general. Consider $\ n=1.\ $ or any positive $\ n.$" CreationDate="2015-02-26T04:13:21.817" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="1941" PostId="475" Score="1" Text="I would prefer it to be &quot;advanced graduate level book&quot;, since otherwise people might think asking about the exercises of any graduate level course would be on topic (and there are certainly graduate level courses whose exercises are way below the usual level of MO)." CreationDate="2013-07-15T08:11:09.267" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="1948" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="Huh, that is bizarre. The original reason for having the backticks is due to an incompatibility between the MarkDown parser in the 1.0 version of the software with MathJax. This has been &quot;fixed&quot; in SE2.0, so the backticks should _not_ be necessary. That said, I have absolutely no idea why your edit seems to have done nothing..." CreationDate="2013-07-15T09:01:55.963" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="1952" PostId="477" Score="1" Text="These are posts that went hiking backwards and caught backticks in the forest. They might have backlyme disease or backspotted fever. So watch out!" CreationDate="2013-07-15T11:36:27.393" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1942" PostId="478" Score="10" Text="As I have said elsewhere, I am not a fan of reformatting old answers just to add LaTeX if the original was legible and easily parsed. (For instance, I *personally* believe the edit on http://mathoverflow.net/a/4564/763 was unnecessary and just serves to bump a dead question.)" CreationDate="2013-07-15T08:38:58.477" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1943" PostId="478" Score="1" Text="Also, you should make that LaTeX symbol upright, surely" CreationDate="2013-07-15T08:39:38.183" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1944" PostId="478" Score="0" Text="However, it appears I am in a minority, so if the consensus is that the editing you propose is beneficial, then fair enough I suppose" CreationDate="2013-07-15T08:45:40.440" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="1958" PostId="478" Score="4" Text="@YemonChoi: not to insist on this but for readers not reading everything, also in this case one might or might not have a different opinion regarding http://mathoverflow.net/posts/4575/revisions another answer to the same question, which was done *at the same time.*" CreationDate="2013-07-15T14:26:10.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1964" PostId="478" Score="1" Text="@quid that was the reason I fixed the others too. As I was setting one new I thought about refreshing them all" CreationDate="2013-07-15T15:38:47.147" UserId="31439" />
  <row Id="1969" PostId="478" Score="0" Text="Here is a related question (but this may be the wrong place to ask). Does anyone know about the status of Scott Morrison's feature request for non-bumping minor edits subject to review? [This question is partly due to my unfamiliarity with the procedures of the stack exchange network regarding feature requests.]" CreationDate="2013-07-15T19:09:50.593" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2835" PostId="478" Score="2" Text="@RicardoAndrade There are quite old similar feature requests at meta.SO, some of them tagged [meta-tag:status-declined], so I doubt this gets implemented. See for example http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/122567/allow-non-bumping-minor-edits-but-review-them-on-review and http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26483/could-we-have-the-ability-to-mark-a-change-as-minor-in-questions-or-answers (And you can surely find many more discussions on this there and on per-site metas.)" CreationDate="2013-08-17T09:29:49.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1945" PostId="479" Score="11" Text="If the purpose is mainly to get more people to see the blog, then I don't feel it would be appropriate here. On the other hand, if it is really to get an answer then not linking the blog would seem wrong (as  the comments on the blog might contain information an answerer might want)." CreationDate="2013-07-15T08:52:26.220" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="1966" PostId="480" Score="6" Text="One reasonable situation may be: &quot;How do you prove $X$? I have a proof (sketch follows) but suspect a more elementary approach may be possible, and would appreciate such a proof or appropriate references&quot;. And obvious variants: &quot;Would Euler have been able to prove $X$? Note my sketch uses $Y$, which was not available in Euler's time, etc.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-15T17:37:42.777" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="1980" PostId="480" Score="1" Text="I could easily see someone asking http://mathoverflow.net/questions/93330/why-is-the-fundamental-group-of-a-compact-riemann-surface-not-free who knew one of the proofs posted, but I would be surprised if someone knew *all* of the proofs posted. I think the variety of answers to that question was very educational and would be sad if questions of that form weren't posted simply because the person wanting to post them happened to know *one* way to solve them." CreationDate="2013-07-16T01:04:10.687" UserId="290" />
  <row Id="1981" PostId="480" Score="0" Text="Another way you can ask a question you already know the answer to is &quot;I can prove $X$ under hypotheses $H_1, H_2, ...$ but I haven't been able to show that all of these hypotheses are necessary. Does someone have proofs or counterexamples?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-16T01:10:36.600" UserId="290" />
  <row Id="1996" PostId="480" Score="0" Text="@AndresCaicedo: The OP does not know the answer to the MO question in your example. She only knows an answer to the mathematical problem, but the question was not about a first solution to the given problem. Thus, such a question should be a totally valid MO question." CreationDate="2013-07-16T08:24:59.170" UserId="21291" />
  <row Id="1997" PostId="480" Score="0" Text="@QiaochuYuan: same for your example (MO didn't let me add both of your names to my previous comment)." CreationDate="2013-07-16T08:25:28.877" UserId="21291" />
  <row Id="1953" PostId="481" Score="0" Text="I assume that we need to add a downvote for your opinion, right?" CreationDate="2013-07-15T11:40:23.503" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="1957" PostId="481" Score="4" Text="Downvoted as I agree with you (in isolation). Also, I added another link so that one can see the changes more easily. Finally, while you say anyway it is not to rebuke, let me still also add that some other answer were edited at the same time, and in one there was a (minor) actual problem fiwed. (One could still debate if this is necessary but it slightly changes the situation.)" CreationDate="2013-07-15T14:19:01.233" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1968" PostId="481" Score="2" Text="I just want to confirm quid's statement that one of the edits (specifically to http://mathoverflow.net/a/14241/21095) did in fact fix a minor issue with a math display." CreationDate="2013-07-15T18:59:38.773" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="1974" PostId="481" Score="0" Text="You should have done [what I did](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/169/whats-our-consensus-on-people-resurrecting-old-questions-just-to-edit-formattin/299#299) and go for some sort of inverse voting; might have gotten you a nice answer badge in the end. ;-) But then as Traven wrote..." CreationDate="2013-07-15T22:26:21.950" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1978" PostId="481" Score="2" Text="@quid: my choice of &quot;orientation&quot; was deliberate :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-16T00:10:36.773" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2838" PostId="481" Score="2" Text="A minor comment here: One of the formatting edits in this revision is actually incorrect--&quot;span&quot; is used as a verb but formatted as an operator." CreationDate="2013-08-17T14:51:39.683" UserId="5094" />
  <row Id="1967" PostId="482" Score="0" Text="That is most fascinating. My edit was definitely recognized by the system, but somehow was not sufficient? By the way, there were no backticks in the title when I edited it. They just appeared in the rendered title." CreationDate="2013-07-15T18:42:59.333" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="1959" PostId="483" Score="7" Text="I have nothing against unexplained downvotes in general, in particular not on meta, however in this case to have it without explanation makes it impossible to know for me if you find my position &quot;too strict&quot; or &quot;too permissive&quot; on this matter." CreationDate="2013-07-15T14:33:13.297" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1998" PostId="483" Score="0" Text="&quot;please ask only questions you actually have&quot; in the sense that MO should be used (mainly) as a tool to get information one needs and not as a means to disseminate interesting information.&#xA;+1 for this, but it is in contradiction to the example in SE &quot;It’s OK to Ask and Answer Your Own Questions&quot; which is directly linked from the &quot;Ask Question&quot; page." CreationDate="2013-07-16T08:26:56.430" UserId="21291" />
  <row Id="2003" PostId="483" Score="0" Text="I agree there is some actual contradiction here. I am not sure what will be the best way to resolve it. Perhaps there could be cases where it makes sense to document the answer to a question somebody knows/just learned and feels many others have too on MO. I do not know, say, some experts finds an obscure reference for somethings that used to be known as 'folclore' by 'everybody' but it was well-known 'nobody' knew where it actually came from. However, this should be very rare and tricky. I don't know, but assume (perhaps in error?  anybody know this?) also on SO and other sites this is rare." CreationDate="2013-07-16T09:02:38.077" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1972" PostId="484" Score="15" Text="In the old westerns (as in the movie genre), a lonely tumbleweed rolling through a ghost town would indicate the utter desolation of the place. Sort of like an entertainer being greeted not with applause, but with utter silence save for crickets chirping. Try to accept the badge with a sense of humor; something like it happens to almost every user on occasion." CreationDate="2013-07-15T20:47:14.287" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="1976" PostId="484" Score="5" Text="It seems that the tumbleweeds of the American West were introduced --- from Eurasia, particularly Russia. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumbleweed" CreationDate="2013-07-15T23:26:43.803" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="1979" PostId="484" Score="12" Text="I haven't yet earned this badge, but if MO awarded badges for papers I would have a bushel of tumbleweeds." CreationDate="2013-07-16T00:59:52.183" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="20360" PostId="484" Score="1" Text="The tumbleweed badges have been recently retired, see the [blog post about this](https://stackoverflow.blog/2019/06/18/adios-to-unfriendly-badges-ahoy-lifejacket-and-lifeboat/) and list of [recent feature changes to Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/59445#322016)." CreationDate="2019-06-19T04:42:14.653" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="1975" PostId="486" Score="7" Text="Since it is a new badge for MO there is no precedent of any discussion. However, on meta.math.SE they discussed it in some detail see (for example) http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/9111/ (Sorry for the silly format. I will never do it again but the short answer seemed fitting given the badge.)" CreationDate="2013-07-15T22:47:02.173" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1977" PostId="486" Score="8" Text="So somebody disagrees with there being no consensus? ;-)" CreationDate="2013-07-15T23:51:25.927" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1982" PostId="486" Score="4" Text="One of the answers to the question that Quid linked to makes the observation that the tumbleweed badge is useful in that you can see the questions that have not gotten much attention. One might be able to find some gems hiding." CreationDate="2013-07-16T01:13:20.923" UserId="35697" />
  <row Id="1983" PostId="486" Score="1" Text="@BabyDragon: That is hardly a justification for the badge. Perhaps the badges should be awarded to questions instead?" CreationDate="2013-07-16T02:15:58.503" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="1999" PostId="486" Score="3" Text="The *official* intent for this badge is easily findable following the link I provided; the accepted answer there contains a link to meta.SO whose accepted answer gives one interpretation which in a comment was confirmed to be in line with the original idea. That answer says &quot;I see it more as a consolation prize. No one looked at your question or answered it, so here's something to hold you over until you get an answer.&quot; @FrançoisG.Dorais: I don't understand your cmnt, the badge *is* for questions, *and* there are somewhat analogous ones for answers  (namely tenacious and  unsung hero)" CreationDate="2013-07-16T08:36:05.570" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2002" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="Thanks for all the comments especially quid: I like the idea of a Tumbleweed Clearer Badge." CreationDate="2013-07-16T08:58:57.173" UserId="24669" />
  <row Id="2004" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="@IanCalvert: you are welcome! I too found the idea for the asociated clearer tag both useful and fun." CreationDate="2013-07-16T09:06:32.140" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2014" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="Tumbleweed et al do not reflect qualities of the asker, so perhaps they should be awarded to the question instead." CreationDate="2013-07-16T16:02:29.477" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2015" PostId="486" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: thank you, now I see you said 'to questions' not 'for questions.' But, then, also nice/good/great/famous question/answer badges are not given to the post but the account posting it." CreationDate="2013-07-16T16:11:23.600" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="1987" PostId="488" Score="2" Text="I think this is very unlikely to be implemented. It seems that SE's view is that if a question deserves to be up-voted then its author deserves reputation. See [the future of community wiki](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/the-future-of-community-wiki/) and Andrew and my comments there. Restricting CW questions to moderators was partly a result of abusing CW for decoupling giving reputation from votes." CreationDate="2013-07-16T05:22:50.963" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1989" PostId="488" Score="2" Text="You are suggesting a feature to keep questions that would be considered off-topic and closed without the feature and I don't think they are going to like it. They don't want questions which normally would get closed get heavily up-voted because votes are decoupled from reputation." CreationDate="2013-07-16T05:40:25.910" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1990" PostId="488" Score="0" Text="I actually disagree quite strongly with what it says there (but I'll say so here): CW is very important. For example (this happened a few times) there is an answer, and it's correct, but it's horribly phrased. I could edit that person's answer, and annoy them tremendously, or I could paraphrase as my own answer, and click CW. The CW option prevents there from being hard feelings. And there are analogous situations. I actually think CW has done a great job on MO, and I hope SE will reconsider, and will consider options like &quot;Famous open problem&quot; as well." CreationDate="2013-07-16T05:41:42.350" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="1991" PostId="488" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh Thanks for your comment! I'd argue that the questions, which would previously have been off-topic and closed, perhaps provide a good organizing functionality; but with an entirely different status from &quot;regular questions&quot;. Namely, linking other questions to them provides information more useful than tagging, and they provide a repository for information on the status of the problems. Perhaps these things are unique to mathematics... Maybe they only make sense for MO, I don't know..." CreationDate="2013-07-16T05:44:32.833" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="1992" PostId="488" Score="0" Text="I understand your reasoning, however, remember that in their view, it is completely fine to edit any post by default. In fact, it used to be explicitly stated in the faq that if someone is not comfortable with their posts being edited then SE sites are probably not suitable for them. MO has been following its own rules and I don't think that is going to change unless MO wants it to. However, I think it is going to be very difficult to convince them that a feature like what you suggest is useful." CreationDate="2013-07-16T05:49:07.683" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1993" PostId="488" Score="3" Text="ps: IMHO, the root cause of many of these issues is that votes try to represent two different concepts in one: 1. I am interested in this question, 2. I want to award the author for writing it. Same issue with CW: 1. easy edits by low-rep users (which is obsolete because of the new suggested edits functionality), 2. Author of the question doesn't gain reputation, 3. Authors of answers don't gain reputation. It seems to me that from SE's perspective, reputation is not very important, it is there just to make the system work. But many users tend to take it more seriously than that." CreationDate="2013-07-16T05:51:49.710" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="1994" PostId="488" Score="0" Text="It is possible for moderators to CW-hammer a question and manually revert the wiki-status on individual questions." CreationDate="2013-07-16T06:07:24.387" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="1995" PostId="488" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh That is a very good point. But maybe they can be convinced, if enough people agree. In principle, ignoring practicalities for the moment, does the proposal make sense to people here?" CreationDate="2013-07-16T07:00:49.797" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="2000" PostId="488" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: the MO faqs too said this regarding editing, I would not say that the &quot;MO rules&quot; are that different here. To Daniel Moskovich: please note in your example it was relevant  to give an *answer* in CW; in this or related discussions SE acknowledged the relevance of CW for answers, and it is (thus) still possible for users to make their answers CW. (Though, personally, I do not see the relevance of CW in the specific ex. you give, OP of other answer coudl still (or even only then) be annoyed and if the rewrite is seen as enough of improvement by com. you should get the pts for it)." CreationDate="2013-07-16T08:48:07.093" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2001" PostId="488" Score="0" Text="Finally, AFAIK, there are very very few CW questions on MO that are/were maintained by OP or somebody else in any relevant way. The idea of having things on MO that are maintained over a relevant period of time does not seem very feasible too me, for the very simple fact that must do not do it, they ask and pay attention for a while, and that's it." CreationDate="2013-07-16T08:52:11.233" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2006" PostId="490" Score="6" Text="As it stands: **no**. &#xA;&#xA;1. You've only asked the question a few hours ago. Wait a bit to see what responses you get on MSE. &#xA;&#xA;2. There are some computational mistakes in your post. (See my comment on MSE.) You should first fix that." CreationDate="2013-07-16T10:53:22.137" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="2009" PostId="491" Score="2" Text="On the old MO there were many with display-name &quot;unknown (google)&quot; since there this was the default name for those logging in with Google OpenID, while here they get the type of name you mention.  (I am not sure what is the situation for unregistered users, but it might be similar, and since you talk about repeated interaction it might not be too relevant for this discussion.) Regarding identifiability this is an improvement. Are you still convinced there is an increase when the &quot;user&quot;s are balanced against the &quot;unknown&quot;s? (This is meant as honest question. As I did not pay attention to it.)" CreationDate="2013-07-16T14:27:45.237" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2010" PostId="491" Score="0" Text="To answer my own parenthetical regarding 'unregistered' it seems to me this option does not exist anymore, which might contribute to a considerable increase as I think we had many question from *unregistered* users that I think had to choose some displayname (which often did not tell much in addition to *not being unique* at all), while now this seems not possible anymore and thus we have many that come via some OpenID provider and get &quot;user&quot; as default. I agree in principle regarding repeated interaction, my point is mainly that not few of them might not be here for repeated interaction." CreationDate="2013-07-16T15:06:31.280" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2012" PostId="491" Score="0" Text="I cannot say that I am quantitatively convinced of an increase in anonymous users, but that is an impression that I have. It's possible that the increase is simply proportional to the general increase of new users from officially joining the SE network." CreationDate="2013-07-16T15:37:55.943" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="2013" PostId="491" Score="6" Text="Just to be more specific, here's a solution that I have in mind. After the OpenID registration screen, there could be a screen with the option to enter a name/nickname and a note explaining why it is considered a good idea." CreationDate="2013-07-16T15:44:53.393" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="2016" PostId="491" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the details. Now that I realized the change regarding 'unregeistered' I am pretty convinced there should be quite an increase of people that do not choose their username but have it chosen for them by the system. Regarding the solution: I also think, as you suggest, that for new users the most (only?) effective would be a change of the sign-up process. (There is still an encouragement in the documentation to use real names.) The sign-up thing got discussed on meta.SO too see eg http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/186121/ But, some also want no name-recognition (even anon)." CreationDate="2013-07-16T17:07:12.800" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2024" PostId="491" Score="7" Text="How about encouraging old users, like quid, to provide a name?" CreationDate="2013-07-16T21:11:41.510" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="2026" PostId="491" Score="9" Text="@BillJohnson: the title asks &quot;name or nickname&quot; and body makes very clear (as cmnt of OP on Scott Morrison's answer) that while OP seems to think that real names are desirable this is  *not the subject of the question.*  Thus, for the context of this question *I even do provide a name*. And, if the goal is to get people to use a name in this sense the focus on real names might run counter this goal. I intended, already before your cmnt, to merge my cmnts into an answer addding this.  But, to answer your question right away: I don't think it would have a positive effect towards the goal of OP." CreationDate="2013-07-16T22:27:51.123" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2017" PostId="492" Score="1" Text="The last paragraph can be easily fixed if we allow community-suggested ads. It's easy, for example, to create an ad suggesting people to use their real name, and direct it to some page (here, or on tea, or somewhere else) which points out why people should consider that." CreationDate="2013-07-16T18:48:34.050" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2018" PostId="492" Score="8" Text="These all sound like great suggestions, especially if they are within the control of MO administrators, rather than SO administrators. Let me just reiterate that I think it would already be an improvement if new users were to use **a name**, even if not their real name, instead of a number." CreationDate="2013-07-16T18:52:22.043" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="2021" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, I think it's time you used your real name, Bunny." CreationDate="2013-07-16T20:25:41.543" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2022" PostId="492" Score="1" Text="@Will: Talk about digging into the past. It's been like four years now." CreationDate="2013-07-16T20:27:34.290" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2025" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="I think to ask for it right at the start (the real name) is not the opt moment. It might simply get discarded essentially unread as some general &quot;thanks for registering&quot; irrelevancy. Also, then some might feel more uneasy about it then a bit later. (There are somewhat recent cases of users that started under pseudonym, then added semi-cryptic id info on user page, then display name to real name). But I agree with OP that real names is a bit orthogonal to what is actually asked. A community promotion add for real names seems quite misplaced IMO; but could redo a meta disc. and  'feature' it." CreationDate="2013-07-16T21:13:43.753" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2028" PostId="492" Score="1" Text="And some started with a pseudonym, and continued with one worth only one @quid. Better than one USD, I suppose. :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-16T23:07:59.493" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2029" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, you're right, I'm sorry about bringing up the past, Pookie." CreationDate="2013-07-16T23:43:00.010" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2030" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="@Will: I've had a nice glass of whisky, but it seems that you're the one who got drunk. Now I completely lost you." CreationDate="2013-07-16T23:46:13.607" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2031" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, I was offering Pookie as yet another real name for you, even after discarding Bunny. It comes up in a song in the movie/Broadway musical &quot;Rent,&quot; http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0294870/?ref_=sr_1  Bunny comes from &quot;Red,&quot; with Bruce Willis and Mary Louise Parker. The actual Bunny is Helen Mirren  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000545/" CreationDate="2013-07-16T23:51:00.150" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2032" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="@Will: Ah. In that case, forget about my comment pertaining for years ago." CreationDate="2013-07-17T00:11:49.293" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2035" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, of course, never happened." CreationDate="2013-07-17T00:44:25.260" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2036" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: this is quite funny. And, sure, I did not describe my case. I just offered an obervation. But if somebody thinks it is a good idea to send the email right away, I do not mind. (Actually in my very personal interest I rather prefer it, as as said I think it will have less effect and *I* am against this realnames thing.)" CreationDate="2013-07-17T00:54:29.173" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2555" PostId="492" Score="4" Text="FYI: Mod&gt;Links&gt;Community events lets you add your own entries to the bulletin. Use the date display override to use your own grey text for it. (&quot;announcement&quot;: &quot;Please consider using your real name&quot;)" CreationDate="2013-08-07T11:21:15.717" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="2023" PostId="493" Score="11" Text="One common approach is to post a CW answer collecting the relevant comments." CreationDate="2013-07-16T20:28:39.323" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="24734" PostId="494" Score="0" Text="The link in the post no longer works, but it can be found in the [Wayback Machine](http://web.archive.org/web/20130510001158/http://meta.mathoverflow.net/discussion/950/questions-spoiled-by-comments/) or in [my (probably temporary) archive](http://msleziak.com/mathoverflow/tea/discussion/950/questions-spoiled-by-comments/)." CreationDate="2021-01-20T10:33:01.670" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2043" PostId="496" Score="4" Text="It's fixed now, currently saying 14k visits per day." CreationDate="2013-07-17T05:51:57.873" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="2044" PostId="498" Score="2" Text="I think 3. is a nice option." CreationDate="2013-07-17T07:24:40.187" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="2047" PostId="499" Score="12" Text="There are reasons for down voting a closed question. Here are a few: 1. Expressing that the question was completely off-topic or severely suffers from other issues. 2. IIRC, automatic deletion system deletes closed questions with negative net vote faster than those with zero net vote. 3. Questions below -3 net vote are not displayed on the front page so it can be a way of making sure that completely off-topic question do not clutter the front page. However, in general users down vote very infrequently on MO and what Asaf wrote is the reason for closed questions having one down vote." CreationDate="2013-07-17T07:46:19.910" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2049" PostId="500" Score="0" Text="ah ok mistery solved. Thanks :)" CreationDate="2013-07-17T08:52:36.023" UserId="31439" />
  <row Id="2051" PostId="500" Score="2" Text="Interesting, I did not know about this. Here is a relevant meta.SO post: [Should questions closed as “not a real question” and “off topic” get an automatic downvote?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/84978/should-questions-closed-as-not-a-real-question-and-off-topic-get-an-automati)." CreationDate="2013-07-17T09:02:30.437" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2055" PostId="500" Score="3" Text="By the way, if there is an automatic downvote when the question is closed, is this downvote reversed after the question got reopened?" CreationDate="2013-07-17T18:55:52.943" UserId="31439" />
  <row Id="2056" PostId="500" Score="0" Text="@Dominic: I think so, but I don't know really." CreationDate="2013-07-17T19:02:27.367" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2218" PostId="500" Score="1" Text="There's also such a thing as both up-voting a question and voting to close it.  I think I've done that in cases where the question is a duplicate." CreationDate="2013-07-24T15:43:30.883" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2057" PostId="501" Score="2" Text="It might (or might not) be relevant to add that now (in contrast to old MO) moderators can easily see deleted comments, though not undelete them. [Hope this is right but I am fairly convinced.]" CreationDate="2013-07-17T21:41:35.767" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2058" PostId="501" Score="1" Text="@quid: Moderators can undelete comments, as long as they weren't removed by their original posters." CreationDate="2013-07-17T22:26:28.607" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2059" PostId="501" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila: thank you for this information, I was not aware of this distinction." CreationDate="2013-07-17T22:31:19.127" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2060" PostId="501" Score="6" Text="@quid: It's a new feature. See [the recent changes log](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/161595), it was deployed about two weeks ago." CreationDate="2013-07-17T22:32:47.740" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2121" PostId="502" Score="6" Text="For the record, deleting comments that got incorporated (completely!) in the base post (most often, &quot;you've got a typo there&quot;) is something I've done a lot over at AoPS, and I don't remember anyone complaining. Particularly when they are confusing (by referring to outdated versions of the post) such deletion actually adds some value. Other than this, and complete nonsense comments, I wouldn't like to see anything deleted (in particular, &quot;too chatty&quot; seems like a very bad reason for me to delete anything, nor seems incompleteness *without* being obsolete)." CreationDate="2013-07-20T09:03:48.757" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="2061" PostId="503" Score="6" Text="I agree with this. I had a good sense of community from the old MO, and we ought to be cautious about maintaining continuity. (Already I fear there has been attrition, and that we're in danger of losing some of the most valued contributors we had before.)" CreationDate="2013-07-17T22:36:50.833" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2062" PostId="503" Score="2" Text="I am not sure if you saw my answer before writing this, but: a) would you be against the deletetion I recommend? b) not rarely the copies on 'tea' were in the end not relevant at all, why continue doing this, when the practical constraints changed?" CreationDate="2013-07-17T22:37:06.760" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2063" PostId="503" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble: not to disagree, but to add something positive: I am quite positively surprised by the move (having raised various concerns before, some having been taken into account, others at least so far not haing materiliased). And, I noticed two top 50 contributors returning from a long break (likely not really because of the move in a strict sense but still). It is true one important contributor was likely lost (but the relevance of the move to this was rather circumstantial I think, by contrast it seems it was &quot;the community&quot;)." CreationDate="2013-07-17T23:14:28.187" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2064" PostId="503" Score="1" Text="@quid: Who was lost?" CreationDate="2013-07-17T23:15:36.763" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2065" PostId="503" Score="2" Text="The user that was too generous or perhaps rather too playful, that is in some peoples opinion, with bounties." CreationDate="2013-07-17T23:19:47.943" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2066" PostId="503" Score="0" Text="Asaf, if it is indeed the user referred to by quid, look at the end of [this thread](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1622/bounty-madness/), and then [here](http://mathoverflow.net/users/631/frictionless-jellyfish)." CreationDate="2013-07-18T00:26:12.497" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2067" PostId="503" Score="3" Text="I agree very strongly with Todd Trimble. And I fear that this new meta is not a good place to discuss this... I'm not sure where is though." CreationDate="2013-07-18T01:29:59.283" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="2068" PostId="503" Score="4" Text="@DanielMoskovich: why not on the old meta, now at http://tea.mathoverflow.net ?  Seems like a reasonable (likely also only) alternative place. (It works just as before.)" CreationDate="2013-07-18T01:56:02.857" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2069" PostId="503" Score="0" Text="+1 quid. I didn't realize it was still up!" CreationDate="2013-07-18T03:12:07.313" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="2075" PostId="503" Score="2" Text="@quid While the old meta is certainly a reasonable place, there is an alternative place where these discussions could take place, namely chat (either in the main room or in a specially dedicated room). I'm not making any claims regarding which is better, but it may be worth trying out." CreationDate="2013-07-18T18:54:00.047" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="2076" PostId="503" Score="2" Text="@LoganMaingi: true, one could try this (rarely I am there and somewhat more frequently check the log). It depends a bit on what Daniel Moscvich envisages and why this meta seems unsuitable to him in the first place. But anyway it is certaonly good you mentioned this option as I assume it is not ye that much on some people's mind (including meto soem extent)." CreationDate="2013-07-18T19:48:18.940" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2070" PostId="504" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the useful additions! It might  be still more useful would you not also reproduced those things already mentioned (in my answer, for example). Or at least indicated it, where you are more detailed." CreationDate="2013-07-18T13:52:49.420" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2072" PostId="504" Score="0" Text="Sorry, @quid, for duplicating things you'd already said. I wasn't really paying enough attention, probably." CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:32:19.893" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="2073" PostId="505" Score="12" Text="You could try if the output of [Stack Printer](http://www.stackprinter.com/) works well enough." CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:51:52.787" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="2074" PostId="505" Score="0" Text="Thank you! That's a very useful service. (Considering my question answered, unless anyone wants to build a PDF exporter...)" CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:55:37.117" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="2077" PostId="505" Score="0" Text="I use Unix/Linux command `import' to make a jpeg of the screen. Before that, I use control+ to enlarge the piece i want. The main downside is the limited amount of material per jpeg. Good for quick documentation in any case." CreationDate="2013-07-18T20:04:35.077" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2085" PostId="505" Score="1" Text="These comments seem like pretty fine answers to me..." CreationDate="2013-07-18T23:45:32.800" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18818" PostId="505" Score="0" Text="Nested indices are usually hard to read, and often deter me from making sense of a question. Better typesetting would get more answers!" CreationDate="2019-04-10T00:19:48.743" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="2078" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="So, anyone knows?" CreationDate="2013-07-18T21:33:09.807" UserId="14555" />
  <row Id="2080" PostId="506" Score="6" Text="In the form you indicate, I think the question is too broad. Representation theory is not one big subject; and without further details about your own background, it is hard to know what you might have in mind" CreationDate="2013-07-18T22:05:01.950" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2082" PostId="506" Score="4" Text="In the form you have stated it, the question is not appropriate." CreationDate="2013-07-18T22:47:07.877" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2083" PostId="506" Score="5" Text="As the other commenters have already suggested, a request for an overview would be perceived as too broad. In general asking answerers to write something similar to a Wikipedia article is not welcomed on MO. On the other hand, of course you can ask e.g. for the present state of things with respect to a particular problem." CreationDate="2013-07-18T23:20:24.357" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="2084" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="that's the thing, i'd like to know open problems in representation theory of locally compact groups, and C*-algebras. Any source of such problems would be welcome.&#xA;But thanks, I'll formulate a better and more precise question and ask it in the boards, see you then!" CreationDate="2013-07-18T23:44:23.443" UserId="14555" />
  <row Id="2086" PostId="507" Score="0" Text="Certainly I was hasty, but my goat was got somewhat by &quot;phinary&quot; and &quot;Cantor dust&quot;; also @ARupinski's comment seems to suggest insufficient thought put in by the OP." CreationDate="2013-07-19T00:00:26.947" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2087" PostId="507" Score="0" Text="@Yemon, certainly some cases are easy, and there was no indication OP had thought through them. But it looks like there is some meat on that bone." CreationDate="2013-07-19T00:20:49.863" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2193" PostId="507" Score="0" Text="I made the comment referred to above.  As in a further comment I made on the original question, I think the question should be made more precise before reopening." CreationDate="2013-07-23T08:31:38.950" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="2195" PostId="507" Score="0" Text="Also, more generally, is it worth making a comment or edit to original questions to alert people to the discussion here?" CreationDate="2013-07-23T08:43:11.623" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="2196" PostId="507" Score="1" Text="@Carl, I've added a comment to the question (although it will only alert people who look at the question)." CreationDate="2013-07-23T08:47:11.250" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2090" PostId="508" Score="8" Text="I don't like this strategy. One should ask questions because one cares about the answers, not as bait to catch clients." CreationDate="2013-07-19T02:30:32.693" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="2091" PostId="508" Score="0" Text="OK.  Don't network, and don't look for people who can help.  (By the way, it is in the original posters' interest to ask questions he/she cares about for this strategy to be effective. Also, no one is forced to go into a chat room, as far as I know.)" CreationDate="2013-07-19T02:35:05.670" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="2092" PostId="508" Score="4" Text="One of the main problems with broad philosophical questions is they attract people who would rather just get into a long rhetorical discussion rather than people who are really invested in *outcomes*." CreationDate="2013-07-19T02:47:13.703" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="2093" PostId="508" Score="5" Text="The other problem, in my personal opinion, is that they attract people who are big on evangelism but less keen on correctness of details." CreationDate="2013-07-19T06:25:55.143" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2094" PostId="508" Score="3" Text="Also: networking works two ways. I can think of people I've observed on MO who I would now be *less* likely to welcome or support in a professional basis, at least until certain things were changed" CreationDate="2013-07-19T06:27:29.757" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2102" PostId="511" Score="0" Text="closed again, at about 15:21 California time, Friday, 19 July." CreationDate="2013-07-19T22:27:13.227" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2104" PostId="511" Score="1" Text="15:18:17 to be precise; also UTC is the official time on MO ;-) Thanks for making me aware this had been closed/reopened already, this totally escaped me. // Btw, to whomever thought so, not sure it is already time to close this meta-question." CreationDate="2013-07-19T23:14:03.927" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2105" PostId="511" Score="2" Text="It's a duplicate of a thread on MSE, so yes it should be closed.  If people really think it's best on MO they should have migrated it.  But it does not appear to be a good question on either forum." CreationDate="2013-07-20T00:58:35.230" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="2106" PostId="511" Score="1" Text="@Ryan: Without discussing the merits of the question, it feels to me that the question http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/71874/can-i-use-my-powers-for-good (of which the question presently being discussed is supposed to be a duplicate) addresses a somewhat different, if related, point. It certainly asks for rather different advice than the question under discussion." CreationDate="2013-07-20T01:08:13.087" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2107" PostId="511" Score="0" Text="@Ricardo: It appears you missed this: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/447063/how-impact-the-work-of-a-pure-mathematician-in-the-society" CreationDate="2013-07-20T01:16:36.600" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="2108" PostId="511" Score="0" Text="To add to the comment by @RicardoAndrade (for people that did not click through to math.SE): the question under discussion was cross-posted on math.SE and on math.SE the post got (very quickly) closed as some (I assume 'abstract' or 'vague') duplicate of the question mentioned in the preceeding comment (which appears, but I do not really know, to be some catch all thing at almost 400 for 'what is math good for' type questions)." CreationDate="2013-07-20T01:16:46.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2109" PostId="511" Score="1" Text="@RyanBudney: I am virtually certain that Ricardo Andrade had not &quot;missed this&quot;, how else should he know the question which is the desiganted duplicate of that cross-post (the one linked in his comment). Rather his  point seems to be the cross post on math.SE *is closed* but as a dup of something there that is not really a dup, and I agreee (also without defending the question). But the argument for its closure here can hardly be that a crosspost on math.SE was closed as a dup of something rather than to migrate it here." CreationDate="2013-07-20T01:26:01.543" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2110" PostId="511" Score="0" Text="@quid: Thank you very much for your accurate clarifications of my comment above." CreationDate="2013-07-20T01:27:50.847" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2119" PostId="513" Score="3" Text="Although if there's an accepted answer I think it rises to the top no matter which of the three tabs you select." CreationDate="2013-07-20T05:49:55.400" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2120" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="@Gerry: Under the condition it is not answered by the OP itself." CreationDate="2013-07-20T08:41:15.907" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2126" PostId="514" Score="4" Text="Could you elaborate on why you do so. In particular, in the situations darij grinberg and I sketched out. Also, IIRC, you are in favor of deleting certain types of questions (that are off-topic but not what I would call 'explcitly problematic' given the usage of 'problematic' in OP). It is not evident to me why you are in favor of doing the one yet seem to have strong feelings against the other. However, as an math.SE mod you should have some experience with this, so your opinion seems quite relevant. But as is, it is difficult to infer much from what is written." CreationDate="2013-07-20T12:49:11.047" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2133" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="For extra clarity, I would start the second paragraph by saying &quot;It is welcome that questions &lt;b&gt;that touch on&lt;/b&gt; *(well-known) open problems* are asked...&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-20T22:57:38.290" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2135" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="Thank you, Todd Trimble. I changed it in the way you suggested." CreationDate="2013-07-21T00:02:32.717" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2136" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="Is the final text supposed to feature all the italic text as it is now? It seems to me that so many transitions in and out of italic either confuse or desensitize the reader." CreationDate="2013-07-21T00:10:13.943" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2137" PostId="515" Score="2" Text="With all due respect to quid, and to his/her energy and devotion to the clean running of this site, I might suggest that a native speaker of English have a hand in crafting draft statements. (The English here is actually pretty good; just needs a little tightening here and there IMO.) I would agree with Ricardo that it might be good to use emphases just a little more sparingly." CreationDate="2013-07-21T00:28:31.867" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2140" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="I gave a shot at rewording and reorganizing the draft above. I am not sure if it is actually an improvement over the previous version. Feel free to make use of any part of my modifications or to discard them. Please take into consideration that I am not a native English speaker. I do hope someone whose native language is English will go through it. Finally, I also left some comments between [[...]] where I was unsure what to write." CreationDate="2013-07-21T01:34:31.233" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2144" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade: thank you very much for the improvements. Regarding the first comment, personally, I do not think it is too harsh and it also matches reality. Regarding the link, yes, it would be good to have this information available. Depending on how this is integrated in the end in the general documentation the general information might appear just above or around this text." CreationDate="2013-07-21T08:47:46.073" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2145" PostId="515" Score="1" Text="@quid: It was my pleasure. I hope my changes are useful." CreationDate="2013-07-21T08:58:36.217" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2146" PostId="515" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble: I agree regarding the language problem and the first draft to which I refer for context even made this explicit. The 'problem' is that it seems to me there are not many people willing to write anything general for MO. The feedback to the moderators' 'help improve the documentation' question is almost non-existant, the one to the 'help improve tagging' too (there are still so many unwritten tag-summaries). I would certainly be happy if someone else were to write a final (or new) draft." CreationDate="2013-07-21T09:10:26.590" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2147" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade: in my opinion the text is better readable now. Also the emphasis was in retrospect overused; this was somehow an overcompensation from the first draft and some feedback there." CreationDate="2013-07-21T09:20:41.813" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2148" PostId="515" Score="2" Text="@quid: I don't know about other people, but I am personally a bit fearful of messing with the documentation. A few reasons: (1) I don't even know where to start; (2) I am less familiar with things after the move to the stack exchange network. The tag summaries are a task that seems more approachable, and I plan on working on them as soon as I have some time." CreationDate="2013-07-21T18:07:54.337" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2229" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: I am a bit at a loss now what to do. No native speaker of English seems willing to provide any input. (For the first draft I even notified three users that I think are native speakers individually...no visible reaction.) If you have time, could you perhaps have another look at this version improved by Ricardo Andrade and make further changes if you consider it necessary. Otherwise, I think I will submit this draft to the moderators; they could than also further polish it (if they want it at all)." CreationDate="2013-07-24T23:36:01.087" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2232" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="@quid: thanks for the heads up. I personally believe the present version reads well (and it also reflects what I personally believe are the 'right' general guidelines). Notes: the sentence that begins &quot;On the one hand...&quot; does *not* sound too harsh to me; it seems to simply state the fact of the matter (as it was on the old MO, anyway). Also, the link to guidelines at the indicated spot is a good idea. Just consider this one lone native English speaker's opinion: I like it and think go ahead and submit it for the moderators' consideration." CreationDate="2013-07-24T23:58:33.480" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2234" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: thank you very much for the quick reaction and the positive feedback! I will post it in the other thread soon." CreationDate="2013-07-25T00:06:45.907" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2513" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="@quid I'm late to give feedback, but I think this draft resolves the issue I had with the previous FAQ. Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-08-05T21:38:03.407" UserId="5621" />
  <row Id="2523" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="@BradRodgers thank you for the positive feedback!" CreationDate="2013-08-06T06:36:53.040" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5292" PostId="515" Score="1" Text="@quid: It seems this has not yet been incorporated into the [help center](http://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic). Do you know what the current status is? I am asking because this section of the help center is somewhat out of date, and even has a broken link to meta.mathoverflow." CreationDate="2013-11-10T11:50:43.577" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5293" PostId="515" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade I posted this end of July as an answer, in the dedicated thread http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/540/9072 I do not know why it was not (yet) incoporated. I think mainly it is lack of time of moderators (various trivial improvements/corrections also did take a long time to happen or did not yet happen, such as the link you mention, which is mentioned in another answer of mine there) as opposed to disagreement about the content." CreationDate="2013-11-10T12:59:30.687" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2149" PostId="516" Score="7" Text="The loss of reputation has always happened, the difference is that is it much more visible now that the reputation is instantly updated. Before that change users could have gone without a recalc that would show losses from deleted user and posts for months or years." CreationDate="2013-07-21T18:48:59.050" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="2141" PostId="517" Score="0" Text="Interesting that MSE is (at least temporarily) dominating the &quot;hot questions&quot; list." CreationDate="2013-07-21T02:08:59.783" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="2142" PostId="518" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Brian, for the thorough answer!" CreationDate="2013-07-21T02:09:38.787" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="2159" PostId="519" Score="5" Text="I for one am quite squeamish about pointing people toward MathStackExchange, given that I'm not active there and don't feel like I have a good sense of their community standards." CreationDate="2013-07-22T00:18:13.873" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="2160" PostId="519" Score="0" Text="Modulo the usual sorts of caveats and qualifications that underlie the phrase &quot;research level mathematics&quot;, and also the fact that history questions, teaching questions, etc. are also often admissible." CreationDate="2013-07-22T00:51:02.343" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2162" PostId="519" Score="9" Text="In view of Steven's squeamishness (probably shared by others), how about something like: if you are unsure whether your question is at a level which would make it of interest to professional mathematicians, then you should probably not ask it here. Consider whether it would be more appropriate for a different site (such as MSE)." CreationDate="2013-07-22T00:57:17.793" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2163" PostId="519" Score="0" Text="@Todd: Those are good suggestions. On the other hand, the longer and more intricate the message, the less likely it is to be read..." CreationDate="2013-07-22T01:00:39.110" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2164" PostId="519" Score="0" Text="True (and we've struggled in the past with how to say such things). &quot;Is at a level which would make it&quot; could be replaced by &quot;would be&quot;, and &quot;whether it would be more appropriate for&quot; by &quot;asking at&quot;. Other than that, I don't have any bright ideas at present." CreationDate="2013-07-22T01:17:47.560" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2173" PostId="519" Score="1" Text="&quot;If your question is not about research level mathematics, you should ask it at math.stackexchange.&quot; says literally that everything that isn't reasearch mathematics should be posted on MSE. I would prefer a formuation like &quot;&quot;If your question is not about research level mathematics, it may still be appropriate at math.stackexchange.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-22T15:18:24.043" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="2174" PostId="519" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker: Perhaps one could place the 'not' somewhere else and stress that in any case the question should be a math question, like &quot;If your question is about mathematics, but not research level, it may still be appropriate at math.SE&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-22T15:26:36.187" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2179" PostId="519" Score="0" Text="@Michael: Thank you for pointing out that my statement was not well formulated. I just meant it as a vague guideline or idea." CreationDate="2013-07-22T19:19:53.610" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="9371" PostId="519" Score="0" Text="“migration *to math.stackexchange*… which were fairly clearly *not about mathematics research*” – an intriguing approach, especially in absence of any examples." CreationDate="2014-12-13T07:48:24.667" UserId="56921" />
  <row Id="2151" PostId="520" Score="4" Text="Vacant tags are automatically deleted after a few hours." CreationDate="2013-07-21T20:49:11.483" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2152" PostId="520" Score="0" Text="@François: Thanks a lot! That is good to know." CreationDate="2013-07-21T20:49:53.703" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2153" PostId="520" Score="1" Text="In my opinion, for a uniquely used tag, just retag as you did. To add to vacant tags are autodelted: to give 'better' tags to q with a 'uniquely used' tag seems now even more important as also *uniquely used* tags get autodeleted (after 6 month). So if the uniquely used tag is around since a while not retagging it would soon leave the question with [tag:untagged] I don't yet fully understand synonyms but I am under the impression they are rather for common things so rather not for this situation (to avoid recurring issues with different terminology and a like)." CreationDate="2013-07-21T20:54:38.767" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2165" PostId="520" Score="2" Text="Just to add more information about tag pruning: Empty tags are removed once [in 24 hours](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19753/what-happens-to-zombie-tags). If a tag has only 1 question [after 6 months](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/48417/should-we-zap-the-low-occurrence-tags/48418#48418), it will also be deleted." CreationDate="2013-07-22T06:25:17.483" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13508" PostId="520" Score="0" Text="Just to update the information from the preceding comment. Now a tag with single question are not remove [if it has a tag-wiki](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/127700/do-not-expire-single-use-tags-that-have-a-tag-wiki)." CreationDate="2016-09-10T09:58:09.370" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2166" PostId="523" Score="5" Text="Strictly speaking, I would say it is off-topic. But, then, I for one am quite fond of bookstores, and some might share this sentiment, so that the question will survive and be successful. Thus, it might be one of those &quot;off-topic&quot; questions that are still alright. Only, please, make **very** clear you are asking about actual 'physical' bookstores and *not* online ones (also flag moderators for making it CW when/if asking). Also you should likely wait for additional opinions." CreationDate="2013-07-22T10:35:17.207" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2167" PostId="523" Score="0" Text="Yes, that's a good point: nobody needs to be told about Amazon." CreationDate="2013-07-22T10:46:29.170" UserId="23572" />
  <row Id="2169" PostId="523" Score="4" Text="I would imagine that most university-affiliated bookstores would qualify. Besides, that list could get long very easily. In Cambridge alone Heffers also has a similarly sized collection of math books. In Beijing there are 4 or 5 with even much larger selections within walking distance of Peking U. About 15 years ago when I spent a lot of time in New York, there are at least three within two blocks of Columbia (one of which used to be Labyrinth, which is now Book Culture). I really don't think this list would be much more useful than Google Maps." CreationDate="2013-07-22T12:29:24.340" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="2170" PostId="523" Score="1" Text="I also went to Heffers yesterday and they have less than half as many math books as the CUP store, of which a good proportion are popular books. In fact my disappointment with Heffers was part of what prompted this question." CreationDate="2013-07-22T12:56:36.150" UserId="23572" />
  <row Id="2175" PostId="523" Score="7" Text="My advice is to not ask this question. As quid says it's very borderline, and my gut says it'll get closed without any really good answers. Plus, because this market changes so frequently the question will lose value quickly, kinda like that question about which tablet is best for math" CreationDate="2013-07-22T16:13:35.323" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="2182" PostId="523" Score="6" Text="I think this is a good question.  Heffers used to be very good, but not so much any more.  I suspect that the reason is connected with the rise of Amazon, and applies equally to many other shops.  Shops owned by publishers such as CUP have somewhat different incentives.  I suspect that if you ask for bookshops in the UK with at least one book containing at least one spectral sequence, then the list would be quite short.  Moreover, I suspect that you would get essentially the same list if you used a similar criterion from another area of mathematics." CreationDate="2013-07-22T21:48:51.460" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="2215" PostId="523" Score="1" Text="My opinion is &quot;not appropriate&quot;. There is probably such a bookstore around each university, and there is little point in collecting a huge un-searchable list here. More appopriate for a forum maybe. Should I vote for closing, or wait till the end of this discussion on meta?" CreationDate="2013-07-24T11:21:34.233" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="2216" PostId="523" Score="1" Text="It's really nice that you guys actually discuss big-list questions, without considering them big **NO NOs**." CreationDate="2013-07-24T12:33:30.553" UserId="35977" />
  <row Id="2168" PostId="524" Score="1" Text="Thanks for writing all of this. This is very useful information, with many good suggestions!" CreationDate="2013-07-22T11:21:23.340" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2188" PostId="524" Score="2" Text="Editing the &quot;How to ask&quot; block is possible: http://meta.skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2346/change-the-how-to-ask-section#comment6621_2346" CreationDate="2013-07-23T06:30:08.313" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="2189" PostId="524" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist: Thanks for that information. It will be useful if this discussion leads anywhere. The link you provided does not seem to address how to change the text in the &quot;How to ask&quot; box, though. Can it be done by moderators?" CreationDate="2013-07-23T06:39:36.340" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2190" PostId="524" Score="2" Text="@RicardoAndrade No, only by SE employees. To get it changed you would make a meta post and propose a new text. Once this has been discussed and the community shown some support the moderators can ask SE to make the change." CreationDate="2013-07-23T06:46:08.963" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="2199" PostId="524" Score="1" Text="I'd like the enhancement of the fact, that MO (of course also MSE) is a network driven *of people* and not a(nother) (bureaucratic) institution where I put in my (homework or not) question and a coin (or reputation or even a bounty) and a slot provides me a scribble with an answer. So I'd second formulations which are along the line of quid's proposal *&quot;MathOverflow is a questions and answers site for research mathematicians. We accept &quot;* . This is at least a bit personal..." CreationDate="2013-07-23T09:20:47.263" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="2203" PostId="524" Score="0" Text="@quid and others: Would now be a good time to make a post with one or two suggestions for what the text in the &quot;How to ask&quot; box might be? Is there some way of getting some more opposing feedback to this idea before we make such a post, so that we can take it into consideration?" CreationDate="2013-07-23T21:28:28.540" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2204" PostId="524" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade: personally I might wait a bit more; the post is in principle tagged as feature request, not too much time has passed and no moderators commented in any way so far. In general or perhaps on the principle it seems there is not much opposition." CreationDate="2013-07-23T23:55:58.240" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2205" PostId="524" Score="0" Text="@quid: Thanks for the insight!" CreationDate="2013-07-24T02:33:20.793" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2869" PostId="524" Score="2" Text="It's possible. Physics.SE has also done it recently ." CreationDate="2013-08-19T12:03:58.790" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="2870" PostId="524" Score="0" Text="@Dimension10 thank you for the information this is good to know. Not only is the text different there is also a link there; so this would be exactly what is desired." CreationDate="2013-08-19T12:14:42.600" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2871" PostId="524" Score="2" Text="@quid:  By the way, I forgot to add the link: http://meta.physics.stackexchange.com/questions/4357/can-we-include-homework-guidance-in-the-how-to-ask-sidebar ." CreationDate="2013-08-19T12:15:41.840" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="7471" PostId="524" Score="1" Text="I would replace &quot;Questions of all levels are accepted at our sister site Math.SE.&quot; with &quot;Our sister site, math.SE, accepts questions of all levels.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-16T17:29:12.483" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="2201" PostId="530" Score="3" Text="I assume the retirement is done for the entire network. All FAQs are gone, so no analytical badge can be obtained *on any site*. Yet, the precogintive and beta badges still can be obtained for some sites/proposals. (I did not check many other sites, but also on math.SE analytical is retired but precognitive and beta not, while also there noone will get them anymore.)" CreationDate="2013-07-23T16:03:47.250" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2202" PostId="530" Score="2" Text="[This MSO post](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/71712/should-the-precognitive-badge-be-listed-in-the-list-of-sofu-badges) has an answer (at least for Precognitive). Personally, I'm not convinced it's a very good answer." CreationDate="2013-07-23T18:48:31.210" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="2623" PostId="530" Score="0" Text="@LoganMaingi: Could you put this as an answer so I can accept it?" CreationDate="2013-08-09T13:37:34.983" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2209" PostId="533" Score="11" Text="For those who cannot see the question: the last comment was made by someone who has neither asked nor answered any questions on MathOverflow." CreationDate="2013-07-24T05:42:37.137" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="2217" PostId="533" Score="5" Text="I have voted to reopen and to undelete the question. I would be interested to read thoughtful answers about mathematical intuition by some of the deep-thinking mathematicians we have here on MO." CreationDate="2013-07-24T14:23:01.960" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2220" PostId="533" Score="11" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: Then why not ask your own better thought-through new question on that topic?" CreationDate="2013-07-24T19:01:32.417" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="2261" PostId="533" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: Thank you very much for your support." CreationDate="2013-07-25T09:55:06.657" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="2262" PostId="533" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan: That last comment had been referenced because of its ostensibly germane and significant content. Should the focus be on this or  on reputation and other factors beyond the post's content?" CreationDate="2013-07-25T10:00:14.257" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="2295" PostId="533" Score="0" Text="@LePressentiment that comment you find so significant is, first, in part polemic, and second misses the point in more than one way. It is really not that there is no argument to be made just based on the content against all this." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:33:29.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2434" PostId="533" Score="0" Text="@quid: Thank you for your comment. I was not alluding to any possible negativity therein. In spite of the writings of S. Carnahan and Noah Snyder, I had only been trying to but still do not understand the averred reason of closure: that of being purportedly &quot;off-topic.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-30T09:14:15.577" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="2435" PostId="533" Score="1" Text="From on-topic: &quot;MathOverflow's primary goal is for users to ask and answer research level math questions, the sorts of questions you come across when you're writing or reading articles or graduate level books. [...] The site works best for well-defined questions: math questions that actually have a specific answer.&quot; Is your question such a question? True, it then continues to discuss other types of q., but first says that new users should stick to former type, and also one can read it as saying that everything not covered by the above is *off-topic* and just sometimes an exception is made." CreationDate="2013-07-30T09:16:24.077" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2210" PostId="534" Score="7" Text="On hold is automatically changed to closed after 5 days unless 5 users vote to take it off hold (those same people can vote to reopen after it has been closed too). On hold is the same as closed in all respects as far as I know, apart from the name. Since it was closed as off-topic, I doubt people will find the edit has made it on-topic." CreationDate="2013-07-24T06:55:43.327" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="2226" PostId="534" Score="0" Text="Thanks for clarifying." CreationDate="2013-07-24T23:20:07.030" UserId="14454" />
  <row Id="2235" PostId="537" Score="2" Text="As a practical matter, that seems wise. Users of very high stature (such as the late Bill Thurston) might be able to &quot;get away&quot; with the occasional question about intuition and unformalized mental processes, because they have the wisdom and experience (and in Thurston's case, the genius) to have a deep and disciplined and articulate interchange; see for example his MO question &quot;Thinking and Explaining&quot;. But coming from those less experienced and less immersed in our discipline, such questions are a very slippery slope, I feel." CreationDate="2013-07-25T00:46:45.577" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2252" PostId="537" Score="4" Text="Following on from @ToddTrimble, I find &quot;Bill Thurston made it work&quot; a rather shaky justification for, well, anything. (More frivolously: &quot;Remember, children, Captain Scarlet is indestructible; you are not.&quot;) The same also goes for quotations of Grothendieck, Arnold, and the like." CreationDate="2013-07-25T05:28:38.653" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2260" PostId="537" Score="0" Text="@NoahSnyder: Thanks for your answer. If it is more helpful and apropos to focus on the content and quality of posts per se, would you please then be kind enough to suggest how to make more precise a philosophical question that you believe may be imprecise? Provided that there is interest towards my question, it feels that editing would help more than a closure. Alternatively, I would be happy for a new question to be posted on this topic." CreationDate="2013-07-25T09:51:26.750" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="2269" PostId="537" Score="9" Text="@ToddTrimble,@YemonChoi: I'm slightly uncomfortable about using BT as an example here, in part because he's not here to give his opinion on the matter, and in part because from the little I know about him it seems this sort of hierarchical claim is something he'd be uncomfortable with.  Instead, I'd just like to point out that BT asked 1 soft question out of 7 total questions while answering 125 questions only one of which was a soft question.  I think everyone should strive to emulate BT in their ratio of soft questions to other MO activity." CreationDate="2013-07-25T16:05:29.087" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="2302" PostId="537" Score="1" Text="Anyway, all three of us agree that soft questions ought to be asked at most sparingly (if at all), and probably we agree that the design of MO is not one that encourages such questions to begin with. Let me take the opportunity to emphasize my use of the words *might be able to* in my earlier comment -- in no way do they mean &quot;definitely can&quot;, and indeed I believe all such questions should be held up to scrutiny without regard to &quot;hierarchy&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-26T06:54:09.310" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2432" PostId="537" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: Thank you for your comments. Returning to the purported reason for closure, I am afraid that I still do not understand why my question had been construed as &quot;off-topic.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-30T08:58:29.967" UserDisplayName="user36418" />
  <row Id="2436" PostId="537" Score="2" Text="Questions that would be considered safely on-topic are those that ask precise mathematical questions, at a level where they would be of interest to professional mathematicians, and that are expected to have precise, direct, to-the-point answers. Questions that are not mathematical questions, or that call for lengthy discursive responses or personal beliefs or responses that are necessarily inconclusive, are usually discouraged as tending towards the &quot;off-topic&quot; (&quot;on-topic&quot; and &quot;off-topic&quot; being mere shorthands for what I have just tried to describe)." CreationDate="2013-07-30T11:00:02.943" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2223" PostId="538" Score="0" Text="I had voted to migrate to math.SE, since I think the question is a fine, but a better match for them, but it seems that migration was not the actual result. Is it still possible to migrate a question that has been placed on hold? If not, I guess I'll vote to reopen, especially if Todd has something to say." CreationDate="2013-07-24T21:05:28.317" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2224" PostId="538" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: moderators could still migrate it. If you would like this, just flag the question with a moderator attention flag giving this request as the reason for flagging. (This is to answer the technical question, I have no opinion on this question.)" CreationDate="2013-07-24T21:25:32.970" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2225" PostId="538" Score="0" Text="I have suggested an edit which may place the question more properly in the realm of mathoverflow.stackexchange.  It is still on the naive side, although one can find answers on the lines of finding mostly equational bases for theories which include or may be included by the definition theory." CreationDate="2013-07-24T22:33:10.343" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="2227" PostId="539" Score="2" Text="More expressive is an improvement, so I am in favor of the rename; for example, while there is [tag:kahler-differentials] somebody not aware/not paying attention could easily use [tag:kahler] for Kähler differentials, too. And, then we'd have a mess. Better to rename while it is easy than to untangle it latter." CreationDate="2013-07-24T23:24:58.153" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2228" PostId="539" Score="0" Text="@quid: Do you think creating a synonym 'kahler-manifolds' &lt;--- 'kahler' would be the appropriate action in this case?" CreationDate="2013-07-24T23:32:11.387" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2230" PostId="539" Score="2" Text="I think it should really be renamed (and just kahler should stop to exist). If kahler exists as synonym and somebody would use it instead of kahler-differentials it would somehow even be worse as they'd end up in kahler-manifolds. Or to put  it differently why should then kahler be a synonym of kahler-manifolds and not of kahler-differentials instead." CreationDate="2013-07-24T23:44:10.853" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2231" PostId="539" Score="0" Text="@quid: One last question due to my ignorance. Do the moderators still have the power to rename tags?" CreationDate="2013-07-24T23:48:51.870" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2233" PostId="539" Score="2" Text="I think so. And looking around at meta.SO somehow confirms this. For example, only some weeks ago there was this http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/182097/renaming-key-value-observing-and-key-value-coding-tags Now this rename was declined by a mod there, *but* on the grounds that it is not good and *not* that it is in impossible." CreationDate="2013-07-25T00:01:55.950" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2253" PostId="539" Score="2" Text="I think I created the kahler tag, and I think your suggestion to rename it kahler-manifolds is a good one. Do you think it should be kahler-manifolds or kähler-manifolds?" CreationDate="2013-07-25T07:28:14.557" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2254" PostId="539" Score="0" Text="@Michael: Are umlauts (or any other accents) even allowed in tags? Even if they are, it might still be best to not use them. Does anyone else have any opinions on the umlauts/accents?" CreationDate="2013-07-25T07:46:30.113" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2263" PostId="539" Score="1" Text="@MichaelAlbanese umlauts and other specal characters do not work in tags; there was a discussion on the old meta if it should be kaehler instead, using the official way to transcribe umlauts, but it was decided to stick to kahler.// On the general question raised by Ricardo Andrade there is this discussion http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/390/spelling-conventions" CreationDate="2013-07-25T11:17:47.057" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2880" PostId="539" Score="0" Text="@quid: Do you think it would help to create a new meta thread to discuss renaming of tags such as the ones I proposed in this answer?" CreationDate="2013-08-20T06:25:39.243" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2881" PostId="539" Score="1" Text="Once this one becomes too crowed with answers likely a new one could be good. Not sure if this is yet the case. But it seems good it was reactivated by a new answer. What I thought about recently was to create a chat-room for editing/tagging related issues." CreationDate="2013-08-20T12:43:33.900" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2889" PostId="539" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @quid. The chat room idea is truly very interesting. I think it could be very useful to allow freer discussion of these issues, which sometimes lead to long discussions in the comments :) . Are you thinking about creating the chat room yourself? Are there any issues to work out first?" CreationDate="2013-08-20T22:28:37.830" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2920" PostId="539" Score="0" Text="Yes, I thought about creating one since some time. The main issue to work out was if anybody but me would use it. :-) Other than that I think it is relatively straight forward to create a room though I do not know exactly how at this very moment. (But I will check.)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T06:45:22.647" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2921" PostId="539" Score="1" Text="Creating it was rather trivial, so I did it MO editors' lounge. That would have been another issue, a good name...but well we can edit it later :-)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T07:01:14.450" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6450" PostId="539" Score="1" Text="@MichaelAlbanese. [It is actually possible to use special characters in tags](http://russian.stackexchange.com/tags), but this option is disabled by default. It can be enabled if you ask for it." CreationDate="2014-01-15T20:20:04.160" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="2244" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="Do you mean Noah Snyder?" CreationDate="2013-07-25T02:46:16.477" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="2245" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="Oops, yes, I meant Noah Snyder. (Sorry, Noah)." CreationDate="2013-07-25T02:52:36.987" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2246" PostId="541" Score="1" Text="Those who want to play around might want to add a comment below addressed to &quot;Joel&quot; or variations of it, and we'll see who gets informed about it. :)" CreationDate="2013-07-25T03:52:26.787" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="2248" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="@Joel that's a good idea. I was notified of your comment." CreationDate="2013-07-25T04:09:30.290" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2249" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="And I was notified of your comment above." CreationDate="2013-07-25T04:14:46.123" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="2250" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="In general, a good place to look up features and how they work is [the FAQ question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7931/faq-for-stack-exchange-sites) on [meta.se]." CreationDate="2013-07-25T04:21:41.247" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2251" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh, that is a useful resource! (But in truth I find it odd to go to SO for answers about MO, since I don't otherwise participate there, and there is a different community and culture there.) I had looked for a FAQ here before asking my question, but somehow couldn't find it." CreationDate="2013-07-25T04:33:33.827" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2266" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="I think it is in any case good such things do get asked here. In this way *other* users that might not even know about some feature have it drawn to their attention. Recently, I had an exchange on main with somebody that did not (yet) know about notification at all." CreationDate="2013-07-25T12:51:36.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2241" PostId="542" Score="0" Text="This is a good idea, I moved the link. In my experience in general meta.SO seems very good regarding most such things." CreationDate="2013-07-25T02:18:18.547" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2242" PostId="542" Score="0" Text="Thanks very much!" CreationDate="2013-07-25T02:19:25.800" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2257" PostId="542" Score="1" Text="There is one thing to add here: editors can be pinged, even when their username is not appearing in the auto-complete suggestions." CreationDate="2013-07-25T08:09:20.860" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2265" PostId="542" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila: either your addition is too subtle for me (in the sense that I do not understand what it adds while it does), or it is no addition. &quot;Also note that some people can sometimes be notified that do not get suggested, namely users that edited the post and moderators that closed a question.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-25T12:41:39.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2275" PostId="542" Score="2" Text="Or... I was just dreadfully tired all day and I missed that part in your answer! :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-25T18:57:37.583" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2243" PostId="543" Score="4" Text="An additional issue regarding cross-posts (in particular when really made in parallel) could be that AFAIK now one can only close as duplicate of something that has an answer (this is for normal users, you, as a moderator, still can, I think). So, to make this really effective one would need perhaps an exception to this, too." CreationDate="2013-07-25T02:26:22.680" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2247" PostId="543" Score="5" Text="Related feature request on meta.SO (currently incorrectly closed as duplicate): http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/94322/close-as-cross-post" CreationDate="2013-07-25T04:00:35.963" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="2256" PostId="543" Score="1" Text="Related meta.MSE thread: http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/10265/cross-posting-or-flag-for-migration" CreationDate="2013-07-25T08:07:28.193" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2301" PostId="543" Score="1" Text="*The only options for now are to close as off-topic, leaving a comment, or to migrate.* Not sure if it is any better than these solutions, but users having [sufficient reputation](http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/moderator-tools) can vote to delete a question. And, of course, moderators can delete questions." CreationDate="2013-07-26T05:27:12.420" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3840" PostId="543" Score="1" Text="A related discussion: [Close cross posts between here and MSE](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/423/close-cross-posts-between-here-and-mse)." CreationDate="2013-09-18T13:04:27.373" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12846" PostId="543" Score="0" Text="[Here](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/86143/which-trigonometric-identities-involve-trigonometric-functions) I posted a question that I had previously posted to math.stackexchange.com, and [here](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/122264/nontrivial-trivial-integrals) is another, and [here](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/130289/inadmissibility-of-simpsons-rule) is another. Are there thoughts on the propriety of posting these to both forums rather than only one of them?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T20:24:16.193" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="12847" PostId="543" Score="0" Text="AFAIK the rule of thumb to follow is to *wait for a while* for answers on the one site and only then post to the other (still mentioning one posted it elsewhere before). It seems you did so, thus in my opinion this is fine." CreationDate="2013-07-26T20:47:21.087" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12848" PostId="543" Score="0" Text="@quid: Do you mean migrate it to the other site, or actually create a separate post?" CreationDate="2013-08-09T13:59:30.950" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="12849" PostId="543" Score="0" Text="@MichaelAlbanese I was talking about actually creating a separate post. Of coourse for requests for migration it also seems wise to wait a while before asking it to be migrate, yet in that case there seems no need, but one could if one wants to, to mention that it was on the other site before as this is visibly automatically." CreationDate="2013-08-09T15:09:52.490" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2267" PostId="546" Score="14" Text="The point of my feature-request was to ask that there be such a thing... :-)&#xA;&#xA;Perhaps the real feature-request should be for rapid fire (&lt;n days?) cross-posting to be automatically noticed and forbidden by the software." CreationDate="2013-07-25T13:10:58.667" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2277" PostId="546" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison My main point is that the existence of such a feature would strongly suggest that cross-site duplicates are generally disallowed." CreationDate="2013-07-25T19:39:00.617" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="2292" PostId="546" Score="13" Text="I think we'd essentially like to disallow crossposts with math.SE. If you've already posted on math.SE, you shouldn't post the same question without waiting at least a couple of days without an answer." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:22:05.317" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2308" PostId="547" Score="9" Text="Could you be more precise regarding what you are talking about? It seems it is something specific not a thought-experiment. (But I can imagine it being reasonable; that the one is closed and the other not.)" CreationDate="2013-07-26T20:45:31.640" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2310" PostId="547" Score="0" Text="I think I know what it is about, now. Still it might make sense to be more specific." CreationDate="2013-07-26T20:58:21.013" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2311" PostId="547" Score="4" Text="@quid and Michael: Would it be possible for one of you to share an example? Or would that be inappropriate somehow?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T22:09:31.883" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2312" PostId="547" Score="1" Text="Why is this question getting buried so fast?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T23:01:56.033" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2313" PostId="547" Score="0" Text="I hesitate to cite an example, since whenever I do that here on meta, lots of people want to change the subject and argue about the topic of any cited postings.  Yes, it's possible.  It happened." CreationDate="2013-07-26T23:03:11.823" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2318" PostId="547" Score="3" Text="@RicardoAndrade: for the specific one I then thought was meant see Michael Hardy's comment on S. Carnahan's answer. For the abstract situation, the example of S. Carnahan expresses better than I could what I had mainly in mind." CreationDate="2013-07-26T23:46:16.057" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2315" PostId="549" Score="1" Text="[This question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/137295/certain-trigonometric-homeomorphisms) is a narrow special case of [this question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/134757/graphs-of-rational-functions-of-sine-and-cosine). The narrow special case currently has seven up-votes and a posted answer has 13.  The more general question was closed as not research-level mathematics.  Conceivably this could be viewed as similar to the hyphothetical, but one of those voting to close said it's a high-school-level question.  Now everybody figure out what graphs of some such...." CreationDate="2013-07-26T23:27:39.163" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2316" PostId="549" Score="1" Text="....functions look like when they were in high school (including me, in ninth grade).  They also learned about natural numbers $1,2,3,\ldots$ in kindergarten.  Therefore the theory of the natural numbers is kindergarten-level stuff.  In ninth grade I quickly figured out what the graph of the tangent function looks like, and I remain far from convinced that mathematicians understand that graph's geometry.  I will soon attempt to publish a result about that.  That a referee might say it was done 50 or 250 years ago (the latter by Euler?) is of course possible." CreationDate="2013-07-26T23:30:25.877" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2317" PostId="549" Score="1" Text="In individual instances one can find the gross shape of such graphs by methods that are easily and quickly applied by high-school students, but that doesn't mean that results about the relationship between the form of the function and the properties of its graph are high-school-level stuff, nor that they are so easily obtained.  The person who said it's high-school-level stuff also told me I'm either an idiot or begin wilfully obtuse if I hesitate to agree with that." CreationDate="2013-07-26T23:33:41.737" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2319" PostId="549" Score="9" Text="@MichaelHardy you present this situation more drastically then it was, as far as I can oversee. With negative effects for you and others. Maybe or not your original question was received harsher than it deserved. Maybe or not your original question was not well written. But good for everbody the second try worked a lot better. I'd say, let us move on." CreationDate="2013-07-27T00:45:45.653" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2324" PostId="553" Score="1" Text="There is a somewhat related question on whether it is alright to [ask question where one already knows the answer](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/480/should-questions-to-which-i-already-know-the-answer-in-advance-be-appropriate-fo)" CreationDate="2013-07-27T13:19:33.970" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2366" PostId="553" Score="0" Text="We often see cranks doing this.  &quot;I would like expert opinions on the following short proof of Fermat's Last Theorem&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-28T12:54:37.723" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="2325" PostId="554" Score="1" Text="to give a concrete example of what I have in mind: I found a way to formulate integer factorization as a Linear Program and think that that could be of general interest because normally (or exclusively) integer factorization is done with number theoretic methods. What I in that case would like, is something like &quot;that has been tried, but is not useful for practical problems&quot; or &quot;that's great, can you supply more details?&quot; or &quot;you should contact Mrs./Mr. X&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-27T14:37:13.317" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="2329" PostId="554" Score="2" Text="Unfortunately, most questions on MO of the type of which quid says it is to be avoided are really of so poor quality that one cannot do much else than closing and deleting them. Nevertheless I am not convinced that questions asking for what some work might be relevant for, or whether people think for the one or the other reason that it might be more or less interesting should be banned in general. -- Although partly opinion-based, questions of this type are important in mathematics as well!" CreationDate="2013-07-27T16:23:30.603" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="2331" PostId="554" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: yes, it always depends what one has in mind precisely (also I used qualifying words like 'in general' and 'typically'). *Sometimes* such things can work, but most of the time they don't." CreationDate="2013-07-27T18:09:17.383" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2332" PostId="554" Score="2" Text="@ManfredWeis I do not want to dismis this out of hand, but to be honest the way you go about describing this does not raise my confindence this will work well. (Sure, this is only a meta-discussion and not the actual math question but still.) But of course feel free to try the question, the worst thing that can happen is it gets closed." CreationDate="2013-07-27T18:12:32.913" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2339" PostId="554" Score="1" Text="@quid Apparently Manfred Weis has already asked that question in March: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/124089/integer-factorization-with-lp-ilp . It is still open, though -- I think understandably -- it has not yielded much feedback." CreationDate="2013-07-27T21:12:12.930" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="2341" PostId="554" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: thank you for the information! I briefly looked through the questions but silehow I missed that one." CreationDate="2013-07-27T21:31:36.070" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2326" PostId="555" Score="27" Text="Good question.  I want to ignore uservwxyz for all $(v,w,x,y,z)$ in $\Bbb{N}^5$." CreationDate="2013-07-27T15:02:49.960" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="2327" PostId="555" Score="1" Text="Oh, this would be great." CreationDate="2013-07-27T15:04:55.670" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2334" PostId="555" Score="8" Text="@BillJohnson So does this mean you side with those who take the natural numbers to include $0$?" CreationDate="2013-07-27T18:18:47.463" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2335" PostId="555" Score="10" Text="More seriously, I find myself sharing Felipe's wish (which I didn't on MO 1.0...)" CreationDate="2013-07-27T18:20:22.217" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2336" PostId="555" Score="2" Text="Regarding official support, this was requested on [MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3353/add-the-ability-to-ignore-users) with [status-deferred]. There may be official support for this in the future, but no guarantees and they're not likely to support it just because it's asked here. For a script, [this Greasemonkey script](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3360/ignore-users-script) may work or it may need minor modification to work here, but it should be doable by someone who knows what they're doing." CreationDate="2013-07-27T19:36:55.683" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="2337" PostId="555" Score="0" Text="Further, the search function does not seem to help in this situation: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/163428/is-it-possible-to-exclude-questions-ive-already-answered-from-the-search-criter." CreationDate="2013-07-27T19:56:36.370" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2338" PostId="555" Score="2" Text="(Re 0. @YemonChoi And rightly so.)" CreationDate="2013-07-27T20:58:51.367" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2343" PostId="555" Score="1" Text="(Maybe somebody could ask if 0 is a natural number on main. :-))" CreationDate="2013-07-27T21:37:28.797" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2354" PostId="555" Score="1" Text="@quid, this was already asked at Mathematics StackExchange: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/283/is-0-a-natural-number" CreationDate="2013-07-28T00:38:10.060" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="2408" PostId="555" Score="0" Text="Has anyone verified whether the linked Greasemonkey script works?" CreationDate="2013-07-29T02:50:36.107" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2420" PostId="555" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison I couldn't make it work. Tried both on Firefox (with Greasemonkey) and Chrome (which is what I normally use, with Tampermonkey)." CreationDate="2013-07-29T10:29:23.590" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="17749" PostId="555" Score="1" Text="&quot;Plonking&quot; people like this was a classic feature of usenet. Usenet was dysfunctional in many ways, and is not necessarily a model that SE should emulate. If the problem is that the person is harassing you or being rude and nasty, then SE has mechanisms for dealing with that (flags), so use them. If the problem is that the person spouts nonsense, then SE has mechanisms for dealing with that as well, so use them." CreationDate="2018-11-23T18:56:42.863" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="2328" PostId="556" Score="0" Text="thanks a lot, your example is a big help; I will try something along that line and see forward to the responses." CreationDate="2013-07-27T15:28:02.900" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="2333" PostId="556" Score="5" Text="I think the key point is that your question asked explicitly if the result you had proved was known, and did not just say &quot;We have proved this. We invite comments and evaluation&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-27T18:17:29.353" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2340" PostId="557" Score="6" Text="Erin, you still have two accounts. (The new platform gives half the reputation for questions.)" CreationDate="2013-07-27T21:29:09.100" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="2342" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="Ok, I see about the points.  I'm not sure how to log into the other account, I have been logging in the same way every time, through my google account." CreationDate="2013-07-27T21:35:24.893" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="2344" PostId="557" Score="3" Text="This is a known issue, many shared, see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/15/how-can-i-log-in-into-my-old-mathoverflow-account for instruction on how to solve it." CreationDate="2013-07-27T21:40:19.607" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2345" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="Thank you, I see the other account.  Why aren't questions worth as much?  500 points is a lot to lose when I only had a little over a thousand." CreationDate="2013-07-27T21:45:13.063" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="2346" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="@ErinKCarmody: I updated my anwer with a link to the official reasoning given when the calculation of points was changed for all sites in the network. MO then was not part of it. Now that MO joined, it was basically automatic this would also happen on MO. This is somehow something outside the control of the MO community so there was not much discussion or anything (it came up briefly sometimes on the old meta though)." CreationDate="2013-07-27T22:02:59.297" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2347" PostId="558" Score="0" Text="Thanks quid for the reasoning for 5 points for questions and information on the site change and about my accounts." CreationDate="2013-07-27T22:07:13.613" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="2349" PostId="558" Score="1" Text="You are welcome. And, welcome back on MO!" CreationDate="2013-07-27T22:09:43.683" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2348" PostId="559" Score="8" Text="Roughly speaking,  agree=up;  disagree=down." CreationDate="2013-07-27T22:07:46.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2350" PostId="559" Score="6" Text="@quid How could one agree or disagree with a question? I understand how it works with an answer but not with a question!" CreationDate="2013-07-27T22:13:07.087" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="2351" PostId="559" Score="4" Text="Yes, I agree this is not so  clear, this is why I said 'roughly speaking' See http://mathoverflow.net/help/whats-meta the section on voting for the official documentation. What people do in practise is a bit hard to know, and the discussion you started might shed some light on it, which is good. For the questions you asked maybe like-dislike or important-lessimportant are better pairs than agree-disagree. Or, perhaps one could say the vote means &quot;I (dis)agree this is an important point to discus/a good subject for discussion.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-27T22:25:07.983" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2352" PostId="559" Score="0" Text="@quid Thanks, the new comment is more informative. Let's see what other people say. By the way, is it your individual &quot;practice&quot; to write &quot;practise&quot; instead? Warn you, it is the second time you did that :)" CreationDate="2013-07-27T22:34:41.790" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="2353" PostId="559" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the info. I will try to practise to write practice at least when it is the noun (but perhaps to do so always is simpler, and it seems correct at least at some places)." CreationDate="2013-07-27T22:51:48.033" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2362" PostId="559" Score="4" Text="Maybe one could interpret a downvote on meta as an emphatic &quot;no&quot; answer. For instance, if somebody asks &quot;Why won't you undelete my question about cauliflower farming?&quot; (which is more of a request than a question, really), then a downvote would be an emphatic &quot;no&quot;. But I share your confusion in general- I'm not convinced that downvotes on meta questions make sense. Upvotes, on the other hand, mean, &quot;Yeah, I want to hear an answer to that too!&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-28T08:16:52.977" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="2367" PostId="559" Score="4" Text="A down vote can mean many things: 1. disagreement with content (what is proposed in a question), 2. disagreement with discussion (e.g. the importance or suitability of a discussion), 3. disagreement with some behavior of the author of a question (e.g. an author trying to get extra attention by editing a meta question too many times might get some down votes)." CreationDate="2013-07-28T14:14:26.970" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2368" PostId="559" Score="1" Text="Whenever it is not clear for you why a question is down voted, you can comment and ask. Others usually suggest possible reasons for the down vote." CreationDate="2013-07-28T14:21:47.627" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2371" PostId="559" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh I have recieved one downvote for this question as well! Could you guess which one of your criteria was involved, (1), (2) or (3)? To be honest, I don't see how (1) and (2) might work for a question. Agian, I believe they make sense for an answer." CreationDate="2013-07-28T15:18:57.440" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="2378" PostId="559" Score="2" Text="My guess, based on nothing, is that this question was downvoted precisely so that you would ask why it was downvoted! So it would be an option (4)- So that the OP, who asked about reasons for downvoted, would ask why the question was downvoted." CreationDate="2013-07-28T16:32:13.933" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="2385" PostId="559" Score="1" Text="I down-voted because I agree with the idea of down-voting more freely on meta." CreationDate="2013-07-28T18:51:30.793" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="2357" PostId="560" Score="2" Text="My original title was &quot;Did not see that coming.&quot; The software said that was not up to standards. I must agree, but how did it know?" CreationDate="2013-07-28T04:15:11.010" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2358" PostId="560" Score="0" Text="see http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/10440/is-math-se-for-us-users-only" CreationDate="2013-07-28T04:17:33.630" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2359" PostId="560" Score="0" Text="Googling various parts of the second sentence led to nothing of interest." CreationDate="2013-07-28T04:27:57.680" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2361" PostId="560" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, deleted that sentence, will email you the links to which reference was made, on the theory that you may be asleep." CreationDate="2013-07-28T04:46:21.580" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2393" PostId="561" Score="1" Text="Huh; I was interpreting it as saying that the post looked fine as far as I'm concerned (and that I *did* have a clue what I was looking at), but without feeling any obligation to *upvote* it on that account (maybe I understand the question, and it's fine, but it doesn't thrill me). A &quot;skip&quot; was then the situation where I wasn't sure if it was okay or not. So it seems the &quot;no action needed&quot; button is almost entirely meaningless, that my signaling my positive declaration that the question is okay goes right into the bin, and the only way to declare that would be an (obviously anonymous) upvote." CreationDate="2013-07-28T22:50:20.610" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2394" PostId="561" Score="1" Text="no action needed is essentially voting &quot;meh.&quot; - it counts as a review, but indicates no opinion." CreationDate="2013-07-28T23:04:18.700" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="2395" PostId="561" Score="1" Text="@Shog9: Can you please describe more precisely what are the consequences of a user clicking &quot;No action needed&quot;? Does it mean that the post will require an extra review to leave the review queue? Something else entirely?" CreationDate="2013-07-28T23:32:21.927" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2397" PostId="561" Score="3" Text="Right now, it just dequeues the post, @Ricardo. In the future, it'll probably send it back for a few more eyeballs (we had some... trouble... with getting that working at first, but I believe that's been solved)." CreationDate="2013-07-28T23:48:32.663" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="2398" PostId="561" Score="1" Text="@Shog9: May I say that I don't like the tone of &quot;So... We added the extra button for all the people who don't have a clue what they're looking at but are still damn sure that nothing needs to be done about it.&quot; I mean, reviewing can only be done by people who have acquired a certain level of reputation on the site as presumably knowing what they're doing, right? Perhaps if you could point to the discussion where these clueless yet high-rep people were being appeased, I'd better understand the attitude?" CreationDate="2013-07-28T23:54:03.890" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2399" PostId="561" Score="1" Text="I didn't want to believe it either, Todd - but I should've known better. [This discussion explains the problem](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/147867/late-answers-and-first-posts-encouraging-unnecessary-actions)." CreationDate="2013-07-29T00:03:03.620" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="2402" PostId="561" Score="0" Text="@Todd: While we are referencing meta.stackoverflow threads, here is another which might be relevant: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/149621/the-current-review-system-encourages-fake-reviews-some-people-upvote-everything. I admit I have no idea how relevant this is for mathoverflow, though." CreationDate="2013-07-29T01:58:31.983" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2403" PostId="561" Score="1" Text="@Shog9: Are there tools to analyse some relevant statistics or overall trends for the review queues specifically for mathoverflow?" CreationDate="2013-07-29T02:01:05.710" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2404" PostId="561" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: Thanks for the link -- I appreciate it." CreationDate="2013-07-29T02:03:29.583" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2459" PostId="561" Score="1" Text="The moderators have access to some advanced statistics on the activity performed in these queues, @Ricardo." CreationDate="2013-07-31T19:01:28.037" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="6444" PostId="562" Score="1" Text="Some do: http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com/. And some redirects are missing: http://meta.skeptics.stackexchange.com/q/1862/2974." CreationDate="2014-01-15T00:54:10.327" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="24379" PostId="562" Score="0" Text="FWIW, https://mathoverflow.stackexchange.com *does* redirect to https://mathoverflow.net now." CreationDate="2021-01-04T14:37:23.287" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="2379" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="How about an SE blog? See for example this page:http://cstheory.blogoverflow.com/theoretical-computer-science-conferences-and-workshops/" CreationDate="2013-07-28T17:02:30.530" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2380" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: How is the page maintained?" CreationDate="2013-07-28T17:03:48.727" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2381" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="I deleted some comments that are obsolete as I posted an answer in the end. The blogs are I think maintained by some people that maintain it (okay this is a bit a void formulation what I mean is, it is not necessarily moderators only so everybody who wants to could volunteer)." CreationDate="2013-07-28T17:17:52.900" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2382" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="[The original question](http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/7900/list-of-tcs-conferences-and-workshops) is on the main site. This is a wordpress blog page, I think it can be edited only by blog editors (or at least requires their approval). It is updated from time to time based on the original question." CreationDate="2013-07-28T17:36:02.683" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2383" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Kaveh. How far do you think this kind of strategy can scale? (The reporting rate for success stories is currently very very low, we're hoping that will improve with a better solution.)" CreationDate="2013-07-28T18:00:57.760" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2388" PostId="563" Score="2" Text="What is the intended purpose of such 'success stories' list? -- Is it mainly for our own bookkeeping, should it make MO more attractive for its visitors and potential future users, or should it help with fundraising for the site -- or what combination of these or what else?" CreationDate="2013-07-28T19:36:35.933" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="2390" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: Does it have to be limited to specific things?" CreationDate="2013-07-28T21:11:34.577" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2392" PostId="563" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: I'd say this is not the right question. -- I just think that if one plans something which may well be nonnegligible work, it is usually good first to think about what purpose(s) the outcome should mainly serve." CreationDate="2013-07-28T22:44:31.670" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="2401" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: It's for all of these things." CreationDate="2013-07-29T01:10:06.843" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2407" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="Related: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/88563/mathematical-research-inspired-in-fundamental-part-by-mathoverflow (it should probably be migrated to meta now that we are on 2.0)." CreationDate="2013-07-29T02:43:22.610" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2412" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins, there is a time limit for migration and we can't migrate this one anymore." CreationDate="2013-07-29T06:20:17.307" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2417" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="Parhaps we could then finally close that question mentioned by @JoelDavidHamkins as even he seems to agree now it should not be on main anymore." CreationDate="2013-07-29T07:50:35.387" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2754" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: I put a historical lock on your old question. Ideally, the two answers should be migrated by their authors so we will leave it like that for a bit." CreationDate="2013-08-12T15:37:20.250" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2755" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, it is fine with me if you just delete that old question (I was merely an editor, not the original OP), since it wasn't ever fully used in the intended manner. Let's try to do it right this time. Is  your preferred idea to have just one question? I suppose that could work..." CreationDate="2013-08-12T15:42:52.473" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2757" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: I will delete it after the two answers have been moved to meta. Regarding the two questions, I think there are more options for MO in the news so I'm waiting to see how this one works out before starting the other one." CreationDate="2013-08-12T15:47:43.320" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2767" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: Answers have been moved so I deleted the now obsolete question." CreationDate="2013-08-12T20:00:11.353" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2768" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="Sure, and you can delete all references here in the comments to it, also, if you want." CreationDate="2013-08-12T20:19:46.140" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2375" PostId="564" Score="0" Text="What about, say one downvote, for a question and ten upvotes for one of its answers? Following your argument, it would be a valuabe feature to have such a list for the answers as well." CreationDate="2013-07-28T15:33:46.743" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="2376" PostId="564" Score="5" Text="Answers are sorted per question. A global list of answers makes little or no sense." CreationDate="2013-07-28T15:35:43.310" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2413" PostId="564" Score="0" Text="That's very true. But that wishful thinking is a result of following your argument. After all, an answer has a &quot;topic&quot;, and when it is upvoted a lot, that means the community has found it important." CreationDate="2013-07-29T06:37:24.000" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="2414" PostId="564" Score="0" Text="@AmirAsghari what point are you trying to make with this?" CreationDate="2013-07-29T06:41:23.310" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2415" PostId="564" Score="0" Text="Indeed, I found your answer convincing. Now, I am playing  devil advocate to sharpen the borderlines (at least for myself)." CreationDate="2013-07-29T06:47:18.243" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="2416" PostId="564" Score="0" Text="@AmirAsghari do you want me to request a list of highly voted answers for you?" CreationDate="2013-07-29T06:52:58.630" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2418" PostId="564" Score="0" Text="Not now. Perhaps one day I raise the possibility and usefulness of such a list as a meta question. Considering that sometimes an answer to a question (on MO and elsewhere) is much more valuable than the question itself, having such a list could have many advantages." CreationDate="2013-07-29T08:05:56.477" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="2409" PostId="567" Score="0" Text="What do we do about the info from the old site?  Leave it there or move it over?" CreationDate="2013-07-29T03:23:07.250" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="2410" PostId="567" Score="1" Text="I suppose it is easy enough simply to regenerate the instances from the old lists that we want to keep. It seems best to keep the information all in one place (well, two places, as I propose in my answer), and seeding these two questions with answers from the old lists will have the side benefit of loweering people's inhibitions about contributing new entries." CreationDate="2013-07-29T03:25:58.050" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2419" PostId="567" Score="0" Text="A problem with this approach was (and likely will be though it might be better) that people tend to submit almost &quot;naked links&quot; instead of a meaningful short post. Sure, we can continue like we did, and likely will have to, if noone is willing to do something related to this, but I understood the question as asking for a better way than a meta-thread; oh, now it's two meta threads ;-)" CreationDate="2013-07-29T08:24:41.123" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2421" PostId="567" Score="0" Text="I would view a meta post as being rather different from what we had before on meta, since that meta list contained a lot of discussion mixed in, and we now have the comment system, etc. I think we will be able to set the style and expectations with the first few seeding posts, and the voting mechanism will encourage people to do a good job." CreationDate="2013-07-29T13:28:20.123" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2422" PostId="567" Score="0" Text="As usual you are a lot more optimistic than me. Well, we might see. Let us hope you are right. But, frankly, I doubt it." CreationDate="2013-07-29T13:57:13.853" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2752" PostId="567" Score="2" Text="I just started [Best of MathOverflow](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/617/best-of-mathoverflow). (Still needs to be seeded with stories from tea.) I'm waiting to see what happens before starting the other one." CreationDate="2013-08-12T15:10:50.007" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2427" PostId="568" Score="0" Text="I took the liberty of changing this from a [meta-tag:discussion] to a [meta-tag:feature-request]." CreationDate="2013-07-30T05:24:57.663" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2428" PostId="568" Score="0" Text="@Scott: Thanks." CreationDate="2013-07-30T06:25:03.410" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2822" PostId="568" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: I have a couple of questions. Would this question warrant the tag 'bug', even if tangentially? Also, would tagging the question 'bug' get a quicker developer reaction on this matter?" CreationDate="2013-08-15T23:45:39.330" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2824" PostId="568" Score="0" Text="Good question. I can email the stackexchange folks to remind them of this. More generally, I think we need better triaging of [meta-tag:feature-request]s and [meta-tag:bug]s, so everyone knows what's happening." CreationDate="2013-08-16T03:16:53.097" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2825" PostId="568" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @Scott. Please let me know if you learn something useful. The feedback on feature-requests is very scarce. Any suggestions on how we should perform this triaging?" CreationDate="2013-08-16T08:12:08.150" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2437" PostId="570" Score="2" Text="The formulation is not really optimal in my opinion, the 'singling out' in particular, but in general question on the relevance and the origin of the notion Cohen-Macaulay ring seems alright. There is a well-known paper by Bass 'On the ubiquity of Gorenstain rings' for example, so to elaborate on why a class of rings is relevant and where it appears is something that has merit. Regarding 'opinion based' I wouldn't be too worried; I think it is a math question why it is so interesting if all loc. of a ring have same Krull dim. as depth that one calls them CM then and books exist on them." CreationDate="2013-07-30T14:31:23.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2445" PostId="570" Score="0" Text="Seems reasonable enough to me." CreationDate="2013-07-30T23:41:14.383" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2438" PostId="571" Score="5" Text="[academia.se] might be more suitable." CreationDate="2013-07-30T15:42:54.740" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2439" PostId="571" Score="6" Text="Probably you'd be better off discussing this in private, so that you can actually talk about the specific paper." CreationDate="2013-07-30T17:30:54.967" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="2440" PostId="571" Score="20" Text="I would like to read the answers to such a question. I don't think it matters that it is also on topic on Academia: as I understand it, it is part of the Stackexchange &quot;model&quot; that a question may be on topic on several sites. Moreover, I am mostly interested in opinions from mathematicians, not academics in other fields." CreationDate="2013-07-30T18:13:47.680" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="2442" PostId="571" Score="0" Text="@DanPetersen you know, you could read it on academia.SE, too ;-) And all the mathematicians that want to say something on it could answer it there, too. And to have some other opinions in addition, at least might not hurt. Actually, it could be interesting as in other fields I think it is more frequent one faces a situation where there is some disagreement regarding the validity of published things. Finally, it is well-known that at least some do *not* consider such questions as on-topic on MO." CreationDate="2013-07-30T20:53:17.360" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2443" PostId="571" Score="8" Text="This is not answering your question at all. But, I think this rather successful question on MO is quite &quot;relevant&quot; to your case: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/31337/how-do-i-fix-someones-published-error." CreationDate="2013-07-30T20:55:32.243" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="2444" PostId="571" Score="2" Text="Ah - that question addresses my situation very well, thanks! The only difference is that I'm not the one who found (or completely understands) the error, but there's some good advice there for me to think about." CreationDate="2013-07-30T22:16:37.170" UserId="1528" />
  <row Id="2447" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="I agree. Moderators can intervene and migrate anywhere; I sent this question to CS." CreationDate="2013-07-31T00:56:38.060" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2448" PostId="572" Score="2" Text="I think that question is probably off-topic at cs-theory, since it is too elementary. Math.SE is the right choice here. In my opinion, almost any question that is on-topic at cs-theory is also on-topic at MO; it's just that cs-theory will have more experts to answer it. In particular, we hardly ever need to migrate there." CreationDate="2013-07-31T01:41:43.927" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2449" PostId="572" Score="2" Text="I didn't know about the CS site, which seems to handle elementary complexity theory questions, so that seems OK also, although I believe the question would have fared better at math.SE. The main point of my previous comment is that it would likely be off-topic at Theoretical Computer Science, and so that question is not a good example to support a migration path there." CreationDate="2013-07-31T01:53:05.397" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2450" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="Joel is right, I don't think the question is suitable for cstheory. For this question [cs.se] or [math.se] are better options. (I think the question would get more attention on [cs.se] since there are more computer scientists there than on [math.se].)" CreationDate="2013-07-31T02:41:33.617" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2451" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="related to opening the migration path to cstheory: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/141, http://meta.cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/2691" CreationDate="2013-07-31T02:45:02.820" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2452" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="I can't make the call whether it is suitable for CS or CS-theory but, to me, it's clearly in one of those, not in MO. The natural thing is to send it over to CS-theory and, if they think is too elementary, they can send it to CS. The opposite direction is not going to work." CreationDate="2013-07-31T02:59:19.157" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="2454" PostId="572" Score="5" Text="Felipe, I don't agree with your analysis. Complexity theory questions are on-topic for MO, and I would urge you not to vote to close or migrate just because a question is about complexity theory. We have some active complexity theory tags (e.g. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/computational-complexity), containing some very nice questions. If a complexity theory question is too elementary for MO, then it will also be too elementary for cs-theory." CreationDate="2013-07-31T04:02:27.990" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2455" PostId="572" Score="3" Text="Actually, complexity theory questions concerning oracles, as here, are probably slightly more on-topic at MO than your typical complexity theory question, because the oracle aspect often makes the topic wade into pure  computability theory and Turing degrees, which are even  more on-topic here at MO." CreationDate="2013-07-31T04:05:42.817" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2456" PostId="572" Score="7" Text="@Felipe, you shouldn't migrate a question when you don't know if it is going to be suitable on the target site. Migration should be done _only_ when you are quite sure that the question is going to be fine on the target site. (Think about how people here would feel if math questions were migrated from [SO] to MO with the same attitude that if they are not suitable people on MO can migrate them to [Math.SE].)" CreationDate="2013-07-31T06:15:10.490" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2457" PostId="572" Score="4" Text="@FelipeVoloch Double migrations are not possible; see http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/185839/184716. You have to get it right the first time. Furthermore, if they close it on the target site as off-topic it'll end up back here (closed)." CreationDate="2013-07-31T13:09:49.393" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="2458" PostId="572" Score="5" Text="I agree with Joel. Theoretical Computer Science is a branch of mathematics closely connected to both logic and discrete mathematics. There have been a number of interesting computer science theory questions on this site. If theoretical computer science is not your cup of tea and you are not sure of the level of such a question, then I think it is best to just leave it alone.  There are enough people on MO who know theoretical computer science well enough to decide if the question should be closed or answered." CreationDate="2013-07-31T16:58:44.763" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2470" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="This answer (an additoinal sentence paraphrasing the question) could make a nice addition to this list http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/389/what-are-tips-and-tricks-to-use-mo-more-effectively" CreationDate="2013-08-04T12:52:12.333" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2529" PostId="576" Score="1" Text="@quid: As you suggested, I added a slightly modified version of this answer at the thread you linked to." CreationDate="2013-08-06T07:10:13.613" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2460" PostId="578" Score="0" Text="The owner gets notified even if you don't @ them, right?" CreationDate="2013-08-01T15:17:12.713" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="2461" PostId="578" Score="0" Text="Yes, the owner of the post you are commenting on is always notified automatically" CreationDate="2013-08-01T15:49:20.430" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="2465" PostId="578" Score="0" Text="@Noah See the links given in the [comment-notification tag-wiki](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/comment-notification/info) for more details about pings. And there was also a recent question [How do I use the comment notification system?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/541/how-do-i-use-the-comment-notification-system) at this meta." CreationDate="2013-08-02T07:42:02.133" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12084" PostId="578" Score="0" Text="Perhaps someone should make a feature request by which the @ symbol before a user gets automatically removed in any situation where it doesn't result in an actual notification." CreationDate="2016-01-02T03:44:05.403" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2467" PostId="579" Score="10" Text="I see that at http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/459198/tangent-half-angles-and-linear-fractional-transformations you used the word &quot;imbecile&quot; to describe the people who migrated your question.  Given what you seem to think of the people who migrated your question, it's not clear what the point of this question is." CreationDate="2013-08-04T02:59:44.850" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="2469" PostId="579" Score="11" Text="Okay, the dollar sign trick in the title there actually annoyed me. The title renders in lots of places without MathJax, and if you can't be bothered crafting a descriptive title, I doubt I'm interested in the rest." CreationDate="2013-08-04T09:18:33.740" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2488" PostId="579" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry that my haste caused me to choose the word &quot;imbecile&quot;.  I should have said: This instance of migration looks as if whoever did it was paying no attention to what they were doing, since it is absurd to move a post to m.s.e. when it's already there, and it actually began with a statement saying it's already there." CreationDate="2013-08-04T20:02:31.377" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2468" PostId="580" Score="0" Text="To be more precise than the word &quot;imbecile&quot;: it appeared that whoever migrated it was not attentive to what he or she was doing, since it makes no sense to move it back there when it's already there.  If it ought to be closed, is there some reason why closing it as a duplicate on m.s.e. is preferable to closing it on m.o.?" CreationDate="2013-08-04T03:30:55.843" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2471" PostId="580" Score="1" Text="I find the first reason you gave reasonable, by contrast the clicked wrong-option seems very unlikely to me, as while this certainly happened for some reasons, for migration there is the additional step of choosing a target site, so at least at that point one should note the error." CreationDate="2013-08-04T13:17:51.057" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2472" PostId="582" Score="9" Text="First, perhaps you could elaborate on why, in your opinion, it is not ethically correct instead of just repeating it. Second, perhaps you could have a look yourself to form an opinion instead of just going by hearsay. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, since in this particular, and the abstract situation to be discussed here, the **question was/is already on math.SE** it is completely unclear to me how there could be any ethical problem in sending a *second* copy there; whether or not this is reasonable seems like a purely practical/adminsitrative question." CreationDate="2013-08-04T15:16:22.443" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2473" PostId="582" Score="1" Text="@quid: 1. I explained (twice) that it is ethically wrong because we cannot be sure that the question is good for any other site than MO. It would be ethically correct to first ask the OP whether he/she/it wants to migrate the question or suggest to migrate it (as it was on the previous version of MO)." CreationDate="2013-08-04T16:08:26.937" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2474" PostId="582" Score="1" Text="2. Sending a copy of a question to anywhere without asking OP's approval is obviously ethically wrong. The question does not belong to the people who migrate it, it belongs to the OP. Is that clear? To be more clear, suppose you have a wallet and I (and 4 others) decide that it is more appropriate that X has it. Would you agree that your wallet was &quot;migrated&quot; to X?" CreationDate="2013-08-04T16:11:01.477" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2475" PostId="582" Score="7" Text="re 1: why can't &quot;we be sure&quot; I can see why some feel uncomfortable to decide something is good for math.SE when they do not know that site, but others know *that site very well* so I do not see why those cannot decide this. re 2: via posting here everybody licenses the content under CC; this even constitutes agreeing to the content being reproduced *wherever* and *without the need for consent* provided the source is mentioned. By contrast I never agreed to anything like this regarding my wallet (in addition to my wallet not being reproduced here, but I would loose it, which is not true here)." CreationDate="2013-08-04T16:22:42.067" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2476" PostId="582" Score="3" Text="But if you'd want to create a &quot;copy&quot; of my wallet, I might agree to this. [Except you'd engage in ethically problematic activity in the process like 'copying' money :-)] Furthermore, there are even some journals that ask the referees in addition to accept/reject to possibly suggest a more appropriate journal (by the same publisher). So it is not that unusual that competent people voice their opinion regarding more appropriate venues for dissemination. Sure in this case the authors then needs to agree, but again here auth. would loose possibility to publish elsewhere, not the case here." CreationDate="2013-08-04T16:28:49.400" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2477" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="@quid: How do I (or the OP) know that these people know the other Web site? How does the system know that a person who voted to migrate is an expert in math SE? With 25K of reps, I can vote to migrate too. And even if these people are experts, they have no right to take a question that does not belong to them and move it to another Web site. I think that the MO community can close a question, delete a question, suspend the OP (say, for spam), even call the OP &quot;imbecile&quot;, but cannot &quot;migrate&quot; OP's question." CreationDate="2013-08-04T16:36:43.800" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2478" PostId="582" Score="3" Text="One cannot know if the people making decisions are competent. But neither can one really know this for any other decision; I can vote to close on each question on MO but not for all am I competent to do so; this does not mean that every vote I cast is ethically problematic (while I would consider it as problematic if I would vote on certain questions were I am incompetent). if I do/did not feel competent for a given question than I did not vote; same for migration.  *But* if there should be many problems with &quot;wrong&quot; migrations then the migration path could and likely will be closed. [cont.]" CreationDate="2013-08-04T17:02:13.293" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2479" PostId="582" Score="2" Text="And then only mods (possibly after consultation with the other sites mods) can migrate. But so far the rate of error is low, more than 95% of questions were not rejected on math.SE (which they could via closing them) then we'd get it back. In addition, 'migration' means closing it here (technically it is locked but this is not so very different) and *posting a copy there*. Why should somebody not be allowed to decide to post a copy of somebodies question elsewhere, when they in fact got explicit permission to do so from OP (they agreed in advance via posting here)." CreationDate="2013-08-04T17:05:50.497" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2480" PostId="582" Score="2" Text="@quid: You still do not understand the difference between closing (the community thinks that the question is not appropriate in that community) and migrating (the community think that the question should belong to some other community). The former can be done without OP's approval because the OP submitted the question to that community, and the latter cannot be done without OP's approval (because the OP did not submit the question to the other site). I do not think it is worth continuing the discussion until you realize the difference." CreationDate="2013-08-04T17:09:19.947" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2481" PostId="582" Score="12" Text="Okay, we can stop the discussion, but I will allow myself to reiterate this point: The OP in fact always **has given permission** (in advance) to the content being reproduced elsewhere (via publishing their content under a CC license, CC-BY-SA 3.0, I think, to be precise; see the bottom of the page for details)." CreationDate="2013-08-04T17:21:06.037" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2484" PostId="582" Score="6" Text="@MarkSapir : Your statement that &quot;it is populated by undergraduate students trying to cheat by posting their homework questions, and by mathematicians helping the cheating.&quot; shows you are not exprerienced with m.s.e.  That probably happens, but that is not most of what is posted.  Some questions are obviously from graduate students or from mathematicians.  How about [this question](http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/447563/ordinary-and-polar-vector-fields-in-euclidean-3-space) or....." CreationDate="2013-08-04T19:49:30.117" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2485" PostId="582" Score="2" Text="...or  [this one](http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/448967/illustrative-examples-of-a-phenomenon-in-the-logic-of-mathematical-induction) or [this one](http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/420364/who-is-buried-in-weierstrass-tomb) or [this one](http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/170803/convergence-of-alternating-series-weakening-a-hypothesis)?" CreationDate="2013-08-04T19:52:03.110" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2486" PostId="582" Score="3" Text="....and if you want to see mathematicians complicit in academic cheating, look at those who design a system and a curriculum that predictably has the effect of encouraging millions of students to take calculus without knowing the prerequisite material.  It brings in tuition money and it helps sell textbooks to a captive audience for $200 apiece, which drives up the price of all math books." CreationDate="2013-08-04T19:55:31.250" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2489" PostId="582" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHardy: As I said, indeed, I do not know anything about m.s.e. My opinion is formed by what was said on the meta before. This does not make migrating a question there without OP's approval any more appropriate." CreationDate="2013-08-04T20:02:33.210" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2491" PostId="582" Score="3" Text="Most is certainly an overstatement.  I'd guesstimate around 20% of the questions on the site are homework questions." CreationDate="2013-08-04T23:11:28.733" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="2492" PostId="582" Score="2" Text="@NoahSnyder: Which one is an overstatement? 20% of questions homework,  which is tolerated (or even encouraged?) by the community is very bad." CreationDate="2013-08-04T23:15:27.597" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2493" PostId="582" Score="3" Text="Various discussions are happening there how to handle homework problems properly; with varying opinions but I think it is fair to say that the mainstream-view is not at all oblivious regarding problems related to this. (In addition just that 20% of the questions are HW does not mean the all get an answer, roughly, the guidleine is for HW  hints only.) And, it is not that different than here. It is not like nobody ever got a solution to a HW problem on MO. (Besides personally I do not even consider it as that relevant, but this is besides the point.)" CreationDate="2013-08-04T23:23:08.937" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2494" PostId="582" Score="1" Text="The edited in analogy is not very apt unless you change it to &quot;submit to Annals and allow them to send it on wherever they please as long as they make it clear who wrote it&quot; since this is the permission you give when you write something on MO (and MSE)." CreationDate="2013-08-05T11:54:00.553" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="2495" PostId="582" Score="1" Text="Mark Sapir has made a non-trivial point which I had not considered before. I will be more careful about voting to migrate questions in the future." CreationDate="2013-08-05T12:37:10.133" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="2496" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: Where exactly do I give this permission?" CreationDate="2013-08-05T12:52:55.353" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2497" PostId="582" Score="2" Text="That is part of the licence you have agreed to publish under when posting things on MO. Though I cannot seem to find a good reference for it for some reason." CreationDate="2013-08-05T13:01:09.530" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="2498" PostId="582" Score="1" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: I cannot find it either. Does it exist and what exactly does it say?" CreationDate="2013-08-05T13:03:25.233" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2499" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="Found it on http://stackexchange.com/legal" CreationDate="2013-08-05T13:09:17.840" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="2500" PostId="582" Score="1" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: And where is it in the agreement? The word &quot;migrate&quot; is not there. Also that agreement existed before this Summer also?" CreationDate="2013-08-05T13:15:48.417" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2502" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: Where in that agreement is it written, that migrating a question is legally allowed?" CreationDate="2013-08-05T14:14:33.117" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2507" PostId="582" Score="2" Text="I have made a separate question about it. There is an answer there but I am not sure it it correct. Also &quot;legally possible&quot; does not mean &quot;morally possible&quot;, and I think that regardless of legal issues, migrating a question without OP's consent is not ethically correct (unlike closing and deleting)." CreationDate="2013-08-05T15:25:03.087" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2516" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="The separate question mentioned in the comment above is at http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/583/12357" CreationDate="2013-08-06T00:10:48.337" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="2520" PostId="582" Score="2" Text="@MarkSapir : I don't think 20% homework means 20% cheating.  Students ought to ask more questions than they do about homework." CreationDate="2013-08-06T03:54:30.603" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2521" PostId="582" Score="1" Text="....and anyone concerned about cheating should be concerned about institutionalized cheating of kinds that is FAR worse than all those teachers in Atlanta getting arrested for falsifying answers to standardized tests." CreationDate="2013-08-06T03:55:51.843" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2528" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHardy:  Asking questions and getting answers is a part of a teaching process. Students should try to use the stuff in their heads (assuming that it is not just fluff) and work on the homework problems on their own. Asking your teacher for help is usually allowed (except for the tests). Asking MO, m.s.e., etc. for help,  is cheating for obvious reasons.  It should result in automatic &quot;F&quot;, and a letter to the University Honors committee which, in turn, brings a lot of trouble. Justifying somebody's cheating by somebody else's cheating is useless." CreationDate="2013-08-06T07:06:04.827" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2534" PostId="582" Score="3" Text="@MarkSapir: you say &quot;Asking MO, m.s.e., etc. for help, is cheating for obvious reasons&quot; this is obviously false in this generality." CreationDate="2013-08-06T07:55:13.357" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2535" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="@quid: It is true. I was talking about help with homework and tests." CreationDate="2013-08-06T07:59:05.057" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2536" PostId="582" Score="2" Text="@MarkSapir my students can get the solutions to their homework in whathever way they like. They only *then* need to understand it. So it is false." CreationDate="2013-08-06T08:01:46.247" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2537" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="@quid: Yes, I should have written &quot;Asking help ... without teacher's approval ...&quot;. If the teacher approves asking for help on m.s.e. or MO or elsewhere (which can of course happen), that should be included in the question." CreationDate="2013-08-06T08:06:14.770" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2538" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="With this modification in place, we agree." CreationDate="2013-08-06T08:09:32.733" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2539" PostId="582" Score="2" Text="re the journal-analogy I'd like to add more details to what I said before it even came up, namely that things not unlike this *actually* happen: &quot;3. Transfer. Papers that are of high quality but are inappropriate for SIAP can be transferred to another SIAM journal for consideration. Both EICs involved and the author(s) must approve the transfer. The EICs must agree before the author(s) is consulted. If the author agrees to the transfer, the original paper is marked rejected (RJ) and a new file is opened with a different manuscript number.&quot; source: http://www.siam.org/journals/siap/review.php" CreationDate="2013-08-06T11:44:04.780" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2540" PostId="582" Score="2" Text="Comment: It is true that here the author also must agree in the end, **but** according to the description the respective Editors in Chief decide *before* the author is consulted about the idea. (And, of course here author's agreement is a lot more relevant as typicallly one can only ever publish a paper once, unlike asking some question somewhere.) But that the paper is sent by one editorail board to another without the author being asked can happen. (Sorry for coming back to this, but not having said this makes me nervous.)" CreationDate="2013-08-06T11:51:04.330" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2541" PostId="582" Score="3" Text="The principal form of cheating in math courses is treating the learning of material as a price paid to get a grade, rather than as the thing they're there for.  The obvious solution is to make grades in courses at most an off-the-record private communication from the teacher to the student." CreationDate="2013-08-06T14:07:32.953" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2512" PostId="583" Score="3" Text="Just an additional comment to answer a question (indirectly) raised in the comment thread there (if this should still be relevant): the key point, namely that user-contributed content is automatically licensed under a/this Creative Commons license, was like this since a long time (and is *not* something novel due to the move). It definitely was like this all the time I paid serious attention to MO that is to say end of 2010/beginning 2011, but I am quite sure it was always like this." CreationDate="2013-08-05T18:22:06.283" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2503" PostId="584" Score="6" Text="Migration, as far as I understand, is not &quot;reposting a question&quot;. As a result of migration, the question changes affiliation which has several consequences. For example, people with few rep. points on m.s.e. can no longer comment on it, close it or delete it. So the question is not just &quot;copied&quot;, it is really &quot;migrated&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-05T14:54:38.573" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2504" PostId="584" Score="10" Text="But that is explicitly covered by the license, anyone can take the question and post it wherever they want, they don't have to allow comments or any of the usual Q&amp;A mechanisms. The CC license allows reuse, and migration is just reuse of the question on another SE site." CreationDate="2013-08-05T14:57:39.903" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="2505" PostId="584" Score="4" Text="Yes, but as a result, all these actions are not possible on MO, so it not just &quot;copying a question&quot;. Migration consists of two parts &quot;making the question not changeable on MO&quot;, and &quot;copying it to m.s.e&quot;. Moreover, when I click on a migrating question, I am automatically transferred to m.s.e. So technically the question now completely belongs to m.s.e., and MO only contains a &quot;non-active&quot; copy of it." CreationDate="2013-08-05T15:02:34.820" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2508" PostId="584" Score="12" Text="I could take this question, sing it, and post the video it on youtube (with attribution and a CC license).  I could make my own website consisting only of Mad Scientist's MO posts and where you're only allowed to comment if you pay me money (again with attribution and a CC license).  Copy, remix, and adapt covers a lot of things." CreationDate="2013-08-05T15:58:10.670" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="2509" PostId="584" Score="13" Text="@MarkSapir You can interpret migration as the composition of two operations: Copying and delting at the source. The first is covered by the license, the second certainly not a violation of intellectual property. Also, the deletion is done by MO members. Do you you want to make the point that people on Mo are not allowed to delete posts?" CreationDate="2013-08-05T16:00:10.500" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="2510" PostId="584" Score="1" Text="@MarkSapir The original is closed, locked and then deleted after 30 days. All of those are regular  tools available to moderators, I don't think any legal issues apply to the use of these tools by the community or the mods." CreationDate="2013-08-05T16:04:19.263" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="2511" PostId="584" Score="4" Text="Ok. I think I understand why it is legal." CreationDate="2013-08-05T17:18:59.927" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2514" PostId="585" Score="0" Text="Have you tried editing in the links?  The About Me section of the profile should support [Markdown links](http://mathoverflow.net/editing-help#links)." CreationDate="2013-08-05T22:23:34.813" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="2515" PostId="586" Score="0" Text="Great, thanks a bunch for your help!" CreationDate="2013-08-05T23:22:57.973" UserId="2233" />
  <row Id="2517" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="I fixed it. It just takes having enough rep." CreationDate="2013-08-06T01:11:25.220" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2518" PostId="587" Score="4" Text="Thanks for fixing it.  But this particular fix is only one instance of a problem that surely occurs with some frequency.  Does it really make sense that users with less than (say) 2k rep should have no standard procedure to make or propose a one-character TeX edit which affects the readability of several subsequent words?  Especially when they do have a procedure to propose changes to all the subsequent words themselves?" CreationDate="2013-08-06T01:34:27.743" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="2542" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="It is a bit silly." CreationDate="2013-08-06T14:46:20.973" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2553" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="@MichaelZieve I'd say the standard procedure would be leaving a comment. Either the OP or some 2k+ user might see it and edit the post. See [Legitimate edits of less than 6 characters](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/149771/legitimate-edits-of-less-than-6-characters) at meta.SO." CreationDate="2013-08-07T05:18:06.230" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2519" PostId="589" Score="0" Text="In this case just some explanation would have helped.  It looked as if someone was putting the question where it already was and ignoring the opening statement that it was already there." CreationDate="2013-08-06T03:53:35.113" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="2524" PostId="589" Score="0" Text="re 2: This seems almost as it is now. People on the target site can close the question (as any other question). If it is closed on target site (except for duplicate-closure), it becomes off-topic closed on source site. Depending on what you mean precisely by 'move to the review queue' it is still closer. (What I mean for allmost all the review queues the post is anyway already on the site while being &quot;under review&quot;; an exception, and I think the only one is 'approved edits'). So, this seems like a complication for little gain." CreationDate="2013-08-06T06:44:03.730" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2525" PostId="589" Score="0" Text="re 1: I can imagine why somebody thinks this would be better, I however feel that first this does not warrant the complication (and I am yet to await a moderately convincing argument why there is that much issue with the &quot;repost&quot; [I think meanwhile we have agreement one can see it like this] for which we have permssion [also here it seems in the end there was agreement with this], albeit not explicit approval; both the wallet and the journal analogy given are non-analogies). Second, did anybody actually complain based on reasons somewhat along the 'ethical problems' line (M.H. not, it seems)" CreationDate="2013-08-06T06:49:16.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2526" PostId="589" Score="0" Text="Third, it sends the completely wrong message. In my opinion, people already think way to much in terms of their questions and their answers. It would be more in line, in my opinion, with the spirit of the site, if people would think more of post they contributed (as opposed to their posts). While I am not active on Wikipedia, I still think it could be helpful to think of making a contribution there as the closer analogous activity to posting something here (as opposed to writing a paper; although this is really not the only problem with the journal analogy)." CreationDate="2013-08-06T06:54:24.777" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2527" PostId="589" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHardy What was not sufficient about the comment I quoted? Clearly the person making it was aware of the question already being on math.SE. (It is reasonable you might have missed it, but still it was made.)" CreationDate="2013-08-06T06:59:49.990" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2532" PostId="589" Score="1" Text="Daniel's suggestion is very good! @quid: As usual too many letters and symbols like &quot;[,]&quot;in your answer prevents me from reading it to the end. Can you try being more laconic? What's your point?" CreationDate="2013-08-06T07:18:46.653" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="2533" PostId="589" Score="0" Text="@MarkSapir: then don't. you can then reask it to get the same information from somebody else." CreationDate="2013-08-06T07:21:35.717" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2530" PostId="590" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the contribution to this thread!" CreationDate="2013-08-06T07:10:51.370" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2531" PostId="590" Score="0" Text="@quid: My pleasure!" CreationDate="2013-08-06T07:13:51.177" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2547" PostId="591" Score="5" Text="As some meta.MO users will know, I am strongly against such edits in titles, and against them by and large in the body of text. Each insertion of mathbb makes me want to change it to mathbf, more often than not" CreationDate="2013-08-06T22:00:36.023" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2548" PostId="591" Score="3" Text="As part of question initiated by @YemonChoi on this general matter I specifically carried out a &quot;poll&quot; on almost exactly this http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/169/whats-our-consensus-on-people-resurrecting-old-questions-just-to-edit-formattin/299#299 at this moment 8 against 7 for such an edit (excluding my personal opinion, which would be against, but also see my conclusion). [Some of the comments there started to be on tagging, you can ignore them.]" CreationDate="2013-08-06T22:08:10.280" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2549" PostId="591" Score="8" Text="I rejected the edit, as too minor, but so it goes. Ridiculous that the body of the question, where R^4 was also used in many places, was not touched. If one is to make an edit on this question, the reasonable thing is to edit it fully, adding latex everywhere it is missing, and being consistent with the use of notation. (I do not have time for that right now, as it turns out, so I am not going to &quot;improve it&quot;.)" CreationDate="2013-08-06T23:39:16.950" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2550" PostId="591" Score="8" Text="I reverted the edit before seeing this thread. I hate unnecessary latex in titles because it makes the site slow on weak wifi or cellular connections on mobile devices. And it makes no sense to do it for long forgotten posts." CreationDate="2013-08-07T01:22:31.853" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2556" PostId="592" Score="20" Text="I take your point, Ben.  But equally, many of us habitually read MO on reliable high-speed broadband, and so prefer to see properly typeset mathematics rather than pseudo-tex code.  I don't think users should feel inhibited from using Latex in their questions and answers, but I think it would be a sensible compromise to be very sparing with it in titles, for the reason you give.  After all, how many of us register the difference between R^4 and $\mathbb{R}^4$ anyway?" CreationDate="2013-08-07T15:07:45.807" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="2557" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="Since $R^4$ is used in the body of the question, I believe here the intention was to replace R^4 with $R^4$. This being too small an edit, additional characters had to be added and R^4 became $\mathbb R^4$. The point is that it was *too small an edit*. I really don't see what the point of editing this was to begin with." CreationDate="2013-08-07T15:19:39.147" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2560" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@AndresCaicedo, could they have not changed the title to &lt;b&gt;R&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;, or does html not work in titles?" CreationDate="2013-08-07T15:32:14.213" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2561" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg Don't know. That may be a useful alternative." CreationDate="2013-08-07T15:37:46.080" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2562" PostId="592" Score="3" Text="@TomLeinster, if people want to make their title in latex, I won't go and deliberately deTeXify it, but my gripe is when people TeXify a readable title that may have been purposely $deTeXified$ to be readable quickly." CreationDate="2013-08-07T15:41:27.730" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2563" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg I doubt HTML will work in titles. Titles already do not support most of the MarkDown markups; I would find it incredible if the software does not also strip HTML tags." CreationDate="2013-08-07T15:48:47.170" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="2564" PostId="592" Score="1" Text="@WillieWong, you are right.  I just tried it." CreationDate="2013-08-07T15:54:28.530" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2565" PostId="592" Score="9" Text="@TomLeinster I'm afraid your comment reads a bit as &quot;It works for *me* so what's the problem?&quot;.  Even on a decent speed broadband, I get a flicker as MathJaX renders it from TeX to MathML which is very annoying, and the page adjusts as the rendering occurs which makes it difficult to quickly scan through the question titles, so my vote is for **no** TeX in titles at all." CreationDate="2013-08-07T18:45:40.557" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="2566" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@AndresCaicedo: but then the same user edited a day or so before '&lt;=' to '\le' (okay twice, but that was all) with you approving it. My point is not to complain about this or what you say now, only I would like to point out (generally) that what is and is not 'too minor' is apparently decided by quite a small margin." CreationDate="2013-08-07T18:46:39.393" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2569" PostId="592" Score="5" Text="@AndrewStacey: well, Ben was arguing that the community should adopt a certain behaviour because of his own personal way of using MO, and I was doing just the same.  I think we're both being completely reasonable.  Surely lots of people do read MO on flaky connections, and surely lots of people read it on good university connections.  In the absence of data, we can only relate our personal experiences, express personal preferences, and make educated guesses as to what others want." CreationDate="2013-08-07T19:17:16.073" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="2570" PostId="592" Score="7" Text="@TomLeinster The problem with that is that the two extremes are not balanced.  If there is no MathJaX in titles then people on fast connections are hardly inconvenienced at all, but if there is a lot of MathJaX in titles then people on slow connections are greatly inconvenienced to the point that the site becomes unusable.  I remember when jsMath was first put on and I was on a very slow connection in Rio and MO became unusable because I couldn't get past the question page.  So I don't think you're being equally completely reasonable!" CreationDate="2013-08-07T19:50:20.103" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="2571" PostId="592" Score="4" Text="@AndrewStacey I essential agree with you (and on my notebook the question-page regularly &quot;freezes&quot; everything, for quite a while), but also note that Tom Leinster suggested to be very sparing with TeX in titles, so I feel his position is rather balanced." CreationDate="2013-08-07T20:01:30.350" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2576" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@quid I think it is the &quot;but equally&quot; that set the tone of the comment for me and to which I'm reacting (possibly over-reacting!).  The two positions are not equal and a &quot;compromise&quot; is not one." CreationDate="2013-08-07T20:52:31.233" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="2580" PostId="592" Score="1" Text="I agree with quid that my position is rather balanced :-).  I'm suggesting using Latex very sparingly in titles, after all." CreationDate="2013-08-08T00:21:57.033" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="2581" PostId="592" Score="1" Text="Anyway, Andrew, I bet your connection's faster than mine (which is nothing special).  I think this is also to do with personal preference: would you accept a bit of delay and flicker if the reward was properly typeset maths?  I suspect you wouldn't, and I would." CreationDate="2013-08-08T00:33:16.500" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="2591" PostId="592" Score="1" Text="Now that we have SE 2.0, is it possible to implement a feature that de$\LaTeX$ifies titles?" CreationDate="2013-08-08T06:43:19.863" UserId="238" />
  <row Id="2619" PostId="592" Score="1" Text="I am not well-informed on technicalities here, but I think--mainly from observation how my devices behave--that the quality of the internet-connection is not the only or even the main issue. Rather the page when there is a lot of MathJax seems pretty demanding on the hardware." CreationDate="2013-08-08T18:36:16.047" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2620" PostId="592" Score="1" Text="@TomLaGatta I am not sure how to interpret the 'now' or what you mean precisely, since before the move MathJax rendering in titles (at least in lists) was *optional* with default *off*. But I agree(?) it would be nice to get this back. I actually asked for this before the move, if it were possible; likely fell a bit through the cracks, maybe worth reasking.)" CreationDate="2013-08-08T18:40:26.597" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2622" PostId="592" Score="1" Text="@quid It is certainly possible to inject Mathjax in and out any page with browser tricks and extensions only, independently of the settings in the page itself. It's not as easy as ticking a box (as in the old site), but it works. My suggestion would be defaulting to off in the main page, and referring the users wanting LaTeX in titles to this solution: http://checkmyworking.com/misc/mathjax-bookmarklet/" CreationDate="2013-08-08T21:53:03.153" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="2633" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@Asaf is that link correct?" CreationDate="2013-08-10T07:40:27.867" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="2635" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@Federico: Or [the ChatJax bookmark](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/44/mathjax-on-chat) made by the math.SE moderator, robjohn (although he made it long before he was elected to be a moderator)." CreationDate="2013-08-10T11:03:56.337" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2724" PostId="592" Score="1" Text="I think the con arguments I have read so far (e.g. speed, preferring mathbf to mathbb, etc.) also apply to the body of questions and answers and therefore are not strong con arguments. If you prefer not to render MathJax (e.g. for speed) you can turn it off I think." CreationDate="2013-08-12T01:49:41.710" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2726" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@Kavesh, I disagree. The slow rendering on answers and questions are not as irritating, although I did suggest being minimalist in this regards to.  If you are trying to quickly scan the questions on a small mobile the slow rendering makes things jumpy and sometimes the whole screen jumps to accommodate the rendering of one title while I am reading another.  If I actually care enough to open the question then I just wait for the whole thing to render and so don't have the annoyance of reading something with the screen jumping." CreationDate="2013-08-12T02:33:23.857" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2740" PostId="592" Score="6" Text="I would recommend against using HTML to format mathematics (like `&lt;b&gt;R&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;`), as this loses the semantics of the mathematics.  That makes it harder to programmatically recognize the mathematics within the page.  That makes it harder for things like screen readers (e.g., ChromeVox) to properly speak the mathematics, and makes it harder to copy and paste the math into CAS like Mathematica, and harder for search engines to properly identify the mathematics, etc.  Although I understand the need for practicality, it is also important to consider possible reuse of the page in the future." CreationDate="2013-08-12T12:03:30.853" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="2741" PostId="592" Score="4" Text="Also, we are looking at speed improvements for MathJax (and mobile devices and networks also increase in speed), and in the future these short-term solutions may become liabilities (consider the [double-backslash](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/598/list-of-recurrent-technical-problems-involving-mathjax) issue currently being dealt with).  I think it is better to write what you mean than to fake it to get around current technical limitations." CreationDate="2013-08-12T12:06:19.800" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="2852" PostId="592" Score="1" Text="@DavideCervone whatever happened to trying to write simple HTML to communicate ideas, rather than pretending HTML is some kind of Desktop publishing format? I think it is better to write simple approximations of what you mean and let **human readers** do the final parsing if need be" CreationDate="2013-08-18T19:41:11.973" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2873" PostId="592" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi, nothing has happened to that, but I'm you to not forget that your pages are used in other ways as well.  E.g., some of your human readers may need assistive technology (like screen readers) to &quot;view&quot; your answer, and in that case, marking the mathematics *as mathematics* (as opposed to just some additional text) can make a difference in their ability to understand what you have written.  A visual approximation is not always good enough. ..." CreationDate="2013-08-19T16:21:48.887" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="2874" PostId="592" Score="3" Text="Similarly, people who are searching for a particular answer are more likely to look for math in TeX notation than in HTML form since you can't really look for HTML tags.  So I'm not sure how you would search for `&lt;b&gt;R&lt;/b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;` other than as `R4`, which I don't think I'd think to try.  But I *would* try `R^4`.  Again, with properly indicated mathematics, search engines (that know something about math) could find `\mathbb{R}^4` from a search for `R^4`, whereas there would be no way for them to recognize `&lt;b&gt;R&lt;/b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;` as math, and so would not match that to `R^4`." CreationDate="2013-08-19T16:25:47.383" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="2875" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@DavideCervone in a &quot;previous life&quot; I looked at some aspects of web accessibility including screen readers, so point taken. My preference would be for R^4 without MathJax, by the way." CreationDate="2013-08-19T16:34:15.070" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2579" PostId="594" Score="2" Text="-1 for 1st para and +1 for 2nd para :-)" CreationDate="2013-08-08T00:16:13.737" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2597" PostId="594" Score="7" Text="+1 for first paragraph, and -1 for second. :-)" CreationDate="2013-08-08T11:32:56.590" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2598" PostId="594" Score="1" Text="@Joel: My point in the second paragraph is the same as Andres' in the comments. If you are going to make an edit to an extremely old post, at least make it a good one. Not just one detail in the title." CreationDate="2013-08-08T11:34:00.310" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2599" PostId="594" Score="19" Text="I appreciate any kind of improvement, even small ones. I like to see old questions resurrected occasionally---I enjoy reading them---and I don't mind if a lot of questions get bumped. I think we could be more tolerant for what are at bottom good improvements." CreationDate="2013-08-08T11:38:18.923" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2770" PostId="594" Score="1" Text="The point with the thread in question was that this was not really a good improvement, however well intentioned. Instead, it added noise (in the form of a clash of notation)." CreationDate="2013-08-12T21:02:55.587" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2831" PostId="594" Score="11" Text="Joel, I think you meant (-:" CreationDate="2013-08-16T19:45:53.560" UserId="391" />
  <row Id="13150" PostId="594" Score="0" Text="I just made an edit to bump. Also to fix something, if one wants to take that point of view :)" CreationDate="2016-05-25T17:02:19.633" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="13154" PostId="594" Score="0" Text="@Yemon: I'm amused that you put braces there. :-P" CreationDate="2016-05-26T07:33:16.153" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26786" PostId="594" Score="0" Text="I had recently been on an informal hunt for LaTeXing-title-only edits to tell the editors about precisely this MMO question, but then I noticed your own recent [LaTeXing-title-only edit](https://mathoverflow.net/revisions/413735/3).  Is the consensus that it is OK to make such small changes to posts, as long as they are already on the front page?" CreationDate="2022-01-14T01:05:20.240" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="2567" PostId="596" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure it's true about the search engines. I have in the title of my current window the plain MathJax code. Certainly Google's crawler sees the same." CreationDate="2013-08-07T18:55:09.103" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2568" PostId="596" Score="0" Text="I said that some characters are removed for the *URL*, for the title of the page I said is is does not render, which you confirm. And, I still believe that in general a couple of words are better for searching than some symbols and/or their corresponding source (not last since often there are somewhat different ways to get more or less the same visually)." CreationDate="2013-08-07T19:06:04.547" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2583" PostId="597" Score="0" Text="Since we're nitpicking, the start of your sentence doesn't seem quite grammatical! :-) How about just rewrite this as a feature request? I'm sure there's no intention." CreationDate="2013-08-08T01:12:37.897" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2584" PostId="597" Score="1" Text="Good point. How do I make a feature request?" CreationDate="2013-08-08T01:39:29.703" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2587" PostId="597" Score="0" Text="François did it for you; just use the [meta-tag:feature-request] tag." CreationDate="2013-08-08T05:19:28.277" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2605" PostId="598" Score="1" Text="It might be slightly safer to use \ast instead of `*`, the latter having a markdown-meaning that could interfere at some point (even if it might not at the moment)." CreationDate="2013-08-08T15:44:36.480" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3642" PostId="598" Score="1" Text="I've pinged the SE folks again regarding this thread." CreationDate="2013-09-12T23:01:40.603" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3697" PostId="598" Score="1" Text="We're looking into this - sorry for the delay in our response." CreationDate="2013-09-13T16:56:25.200" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="3698" PostId="598" Score="0" Text="Dear @Tim Post: Thank your for the update. Please keep us posted of any developments." CreationDate="2013-09-13T17:30:09.000" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5412" PostId="598" Score="0" Text="Dear @Tim Post, any updates?" CreationDate="2013-11-18T23:17:05.950" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5413" PostId="598" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade I'm terribly sorry, it's been one of those weeks, I'll follow up on this first thing in the morning. Thanks for reminding me! :)" CreationDate="2013-11-19T00:52:37.973" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6373" PostId="598" Score="1" Text="Dear @Tim Post, any more updates? I apologize for the constant nagging." CreationDate="2014-01-10T23:55:39.637" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6709" PostId="598" Score="0" Text="@Scott Morrison, sorry to bother you. Do you happen to know whether this is moving forward or not? Thank you very much." CreationDate="2014-02-02T19:00:37.240" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6717" PostId="598" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade, not to my knowledge." CreationDate="2014-02-03T00:55:28.767" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="12214" PostId="598" Score="1" Text="@TimPost Ping. The issue is still unresolved after 2 1/2 years." CreationDate="2016-01-28T11:36:52.517" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="2585" PostId="599" Score="5" Text="In my opinion one should not do minor edits to more than 3-5 old posts in a 5 hour time period. Doing say 8 minor edits in a short burst can fill almost the entire active question list with old questions which means that new questions may be missed." CreationDate="2013-08-08T04:02:27.513" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2586" PostId="599" Score="5" Text="I agree that bumping lots of posts to the front page is undesirable. Nevertheless, I would like to say that at least several of the edits in question corrected mathjax rendering problems. In fact, it was this recent series of edits which led me to start the thread http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/598/list-of-recurrent-technical-problems-involving-mathjax." CreationDate="2013-08-08T04:45:51.940" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2600" PostId="599" Score="5" Text="Why does editing bump questions to the front page? Is there an official explanation? Why does an edit cause the post to be bumped, but a comment doesn't? Just to be clear, I'm not saying a post should or shouldn't be bumped when edited, I'd just like to see the reasoning behind it." CreationDate="2013-08-08T11:57:45.673" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2601" PostId="599" Score="1" Text="@MichaelAlbanese Of course, everything depends on the way you are viewing questions (whether you choose newest tab, active tab, ...) A list of things that cause bump is given at meta.SO: [What can cause my question to be bumped?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/48578/what-can-cause-my-question-to-be-bumped) See also [tag-wiki for (bump)](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/bump/info)." CreationDate="2013-08-08T12:13:18.527" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2602" PostId="599" Score="8" Text="It's there to stop malicious edits from going unnoticed. I'm not sure why it's still necessary now that low rep edits go through an approval process." CreationDate="2013-08-08T14:05:53.160" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="2606" PostId="599" Score="4" Text="@NoahSnyder: I agree with the first sentence. But do not understand the second one. Before low-reo users could not edit others' posts *at all* and editing their own does not go through review. (So there seems no 'security-improvement' relative to before.)" CreationDate="2013-08-08T15:48:43.313" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2608" PostId="599" Score="2" Text="I would like to underline one point @MartinSleziak mentions in passing, namely, that 'active' is not the *only* tab (but precisely the one that shows &quot;every&quot; activity). When I do not have much time for visiting MO frequently, I browse **newest** where I get all (new) questions ordered in reverse chronological order (nothing whatsoever causes any bumps in that tab). Newest is a bit limiting, but 'hot' could be a reasonable compromise (not everything that bumps in 'active' bumps in 'hot', eg pure tag-edits do not show up in 'hot')." CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:10:41.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2610" PostId="599" Score="7" Text="@NoahSnyder: The approval process would be enough if all reviewers actually looked at what they approve. But experience shows that some of them don't, as witnessed in [this discussion](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/155561) on meta.SO. People manage to approve suggested edits such as [this one](http://math.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/71173) on other sites." CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:17:59.713" UserId="29555" />
  <row Id="2611" PostId="599" Score="3" Text="@quid, but active is very convenient for seeing new answers. If you answer a question and it immediately gets bumped off the active page then few people will see your answer." CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:19:41.387" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2612" PostId="599" Score="1" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg: yes, I partly agree. Still, sometimes one can get away with the impression that some (not you specifically) do not really realize there are other tabs too, and since you explcitly mentioned the risk of missing a *question* I mentioned it.  However, I am also not sure the effect is as large as you describe. Namely, I think it is an oversimplifcation to assume that there is an absolute or even very strong correlation with things getting looked at an their precise position in the active queue. Sure I an I assume many/most others start looking at the top of it, but then [cont]" CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:47:31.477" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2613" PostId="599" Score="0" Text="*if* at the top there is nothing interesting (to me) or new (but just some edits) then I look further down not paying much attention or investing much time in the things at the top-position and thus in the time-span I intend to stay on the site arrive at going further down than if everything at the top was interesting/new. (Sure it might happen some old post only bumped due to an edit starts to interest  me as perhaps I had never seen it before, and so I read it instead of something newer, but then if I found it interesting it is not so clear what is lost). In addition [cont]" CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:52:23.797" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2614" PostId="599" Score="0" Text="I am a bit unsure what you mean by 8 questions filling almost the entire question active question list. The frontpage (when logged in) holds a lot more than 8 questions (at least for me, though this might depend), and if one actually goes to /questions than it is 'infinite.' In view of what I said regarding the not spending much time, I sometimes even think whether doing edits in larger bursts would not be better, since then if somebody sees say 15 questions all modified by the same users within half an hour, they might infer this is very likely only minor edits and skip that block." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:00:36.083" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2615" PostId="599" Score="1" Text="A bit off-topic here but just as a vague idea, perhaps to get realized a feature-request for an *additional* tab (say, containing only new questions and answers), or a replacement of another one (say 'hot') by this, would have more chance of success than the 'minor edits should not bump' request." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:03:41.553" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2616" PostId="599" Score="0" Text="@Martin that math.SE example is really extreme, almost makes me believe they let it go through on purpose." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:07:38.850" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2617" PostId="599" Score="1" Text="@quid: I would upvote a feature request for a new tab like that. Unfortunately, such a feature is unlikely to ever see the light of day, judging by how most feature requests are ignored..." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:53:28.837" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2749" PostId="599" Score="2" Text="How about a &quot;minor edit&quot; flag?" CreationDate="2013-08-12T13:25:33.563" UserId="20995" />
  <row Id="3507" PostId="599" Score="4" Text="@RicardoAndrade: I would love to see a feature request that asks for feature requests to be addressed!" CreationDate="2013-09-06T13:44:14.020" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3618" PostId="599" Score="3" Text="I think filling the active questions with lots of edits is particularly bothersome for those who mostly us MO on mobile devices because only a handful of questions are visible without scrolling in mobile mode." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:28:26.557" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2588" PostId="600" Score="1" Text="Dear @Michael: I would greatly appreciate it if you could describe those mathjax problems in the thread http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/598/list-of-recurrent-technical-problems-involving-mathjax." CreationDate="2013-08-08T05:41:18.133" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2589" PostId="600" Score="15" Text="Michael, I would like to thank you for your efforts to edit and improve questions and answers here on MO; it is appreciated by many of us, and I hope you continue to do this." CreationDate="2013-08-08T05:57:06.823" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2590" PostId="600" Score="7" Text="These are needed edits. It would be nice if they could be done automatically. Since that does not seem to be the case, this seems the best solution we currently have." CreationDate="2013-08-08T06:10:43.213" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2593" PostId="600" Score="5" Text="I have no problems with the edits. I just recommend in smaller bursts, maybe 3 at a time." CreationDate="2013-08-08T11:04:53.063" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="2594" PostId="600" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade: Will do." CreationDate="2013-08-08T11:06:05.740" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2595" PostId="600" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: No worries. I will continue to edit posts but I will try to space them out." CreationDate="2013-08-08T11:14:50.190" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2596" PostId="600" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg: I agree, I will be more mindful in future." CreationDate="2013-08-08T11:30:55.820" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2604" PostId="603" Score="1" Text="Another one of this type, I actually noticed I think via one of your recent edits, \\# instead of \# to get # (breaks MathJax rendering). I think these are all transition problems because before one needed the extra backslash while now this is not needed anymore and its presence causes problems.  (Somewhere there was a thread on meta already on this double-backslash problem.)" CreationDate="2013-08-08T15:42:37.207" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2609" PostId="603" Score="4" Text="The other thread is http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/238 ." CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:13:26.803" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="2618" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="Dear @Michael: Thank you very much for your contribution." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:55:07.767" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2790" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="It appears there may still be some instances left of `\_` being used instead of `_`. For example, George Lowther fixed such problems in his answer http://mathoverflow.net/a/54531/21095 one hour ago." CreationDate="2013-08-13T03:32:42.160" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2792" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="@Michael: What method do you use to find questions with a given issue and determine if there are any left? Do you simply use the search function on mathoverflow?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T03:44:05.563" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2793" PostId="603" Score="1" Text="Yes. The [appropriate search](http://mathoverflow.net/search?q=\_) only shows one post using `\_`. In this case the user intended to get the resulting output." CreationDate="2013-08-13T03:45:15.830" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2796" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="@Michael: Does that mean that George Lowther's answer did not appear in a search for `\_` before it was corrected?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T04:17:37.720" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2798" PostId="603" Score="1" Text="It did not. I'm not sure why." CreationDate="2013-08-13T05:17:58.953" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2802" PostId="603" Score="1" Text="@MichaelAlbanese Please stop these trivial edits. You edited an answer on http://mathoverflow.net/questions/25374/duplicate-detection-problem which had zero upvotes (while other answers had many more, including an accepted answer), thus bumping a three-year old long-settled question to the front page. There is no reason to do that." CreationDate="2013-08-13T17:26:45.600" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="2805" PostId="603" Score="1" Text="btw, I still have answers containing `\\,` instead of `\,` and `\_` instead of `_` (also ` \\\\ ` instead of ` \\ `, but I'm not sure if they are such an issue). I just edited one, and was about to edit another but held off as I don't want to bump lots of old posts up." CreationDate="2013-08-13T20:58:10.117" UserId="1004" />
  <row Id="2834" PostId="603" Score="4" Text="@Felipe Voloch: While the bumping to the front page is inconvenient, please consider that these answers and questions do not render correctly. /// @George Lowther: Thank you very much for that information. Interestingly, searching for `\\,` returns none of your posts, thus showing that the search function is not entirely effective in locating these problems..." CreationDate="2013-08-17T05:42:44.070" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2839" PostId="603" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade All am I asking is to use some common sense and ask whether that particular question/answer really needs that edit. My example is a clear example that doesn't. Now, if the whole page is not rendering because of one faulty equation at the very bottom, I think this is a software bug and should be addressed as such." CreationDate="2013-08-17T14:57:47.713" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="16019" PostId="603" Score="1" Text="This issue still seems to exist in some places; see [Doubled backslashes in old posts](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3639/doubled-backslashes-in-old-posts)." CreationDate="2018-03-08T11:22:50.700" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="2607" PostId="604" Score="0" Text="Just to confirm, the first is the last official (ie, moderator) mention of this I remember (and I am pretty sure it is actually the last) so it might qualify as current &quot;official guideline.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:03:39.350" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3506" PostId="604" Score="1" Text="I agree with the &quot;two or three a day&quot; limit.  For ALL edits of stale questions, major or minor." CreationDate="2013-09-06T13:15:21.920" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="3623" PostId="604" Score="0" Text="It's odd to be reminded of the verse / I used to try; but now it's even worse" CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:52:08.980" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21609" PostId="604" Score="0" Text="At the moment, links to tea do not work. Here are snapshots of the two links in the Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20151031150220/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1575/editing-old-answers-by-other-users/ and http://web.archive.org/web/20151031173230/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1374/must-we-raise-the-dead-for-umlauts-sake/" CreationDate="2020-02-27T09:02:34.037" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2626" PostId="605" Score="1" Text="+1 for looking into this. I disagree with the claim that these badges give a net positive (it sounds like you do too). What would have to be done to get rid of them?" CreationDate="2013-08-09T18:12:40.403" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="2627" PostId="605" Score="1" Text="@DavidWhite Someone would need to put in a feature request here (or on MSO, but here is probably better if you only care about this site). If it gets enough upvotes, Stack Exchange is likely to look at it. I very much suspect it would be declined since they've already commented on it, but I could be wrong if the community can put together a strong enough argument that these badges are actively harming MO. In my personal opinion, while I don't agree with their answer, I also think there are more important things for everyone to worry about so I'm not sure the effort is justified in this case." CreationDate="2013-08-09T18:25:02.707" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="2628" PostId="605" Score="1" Text="To supplement what was just said by Logan Maingi (with which I agree, except that I even can see a small positive effect) regarding @DavidWhite comment: as internal procedure it was suggested by a moderator (Scott Morrison if memory serves well) that before a (formal) feature request is made a discussion is started based on the outcome of which a more efficient feature request or none at all could be made. (For one thing, if one were to ask this, at least the request should be &quot;complete&quot; ie asking it for all badges where relevant not just those were it happened to come up)" CreationDate="2013-08-09T19:03:00.370" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2630" PostId="606" Score="1" Text="While we are at it, is there a way to search for users with unregistered accounts? Typing the user name does not return anything." CreationDate="2013-08-10T01:56:32.337" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2631" PostId="606" Score="5" Text="If you make a request at the [help center](http://mathoverflow.net/contact) they will investigate and merge. I don't think the accounts need to be yours (but they need to belong to the same person, of course)." CreationDate="2013-08-10T02:21:51.837" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2632" PostId="606" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @FrançoisG.Dorais!" CreationDate="2013-08-10T02:56:47.500" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2710" PostId="606" Score="6" Text="Just a small note: community moderators can't merge accounts anymore, only SE moderators can merge accounts." CreationDate="2013-08-11T19:29:59.990" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2636" PostId="607" Score="20" Text="Fernando, I completely agree. +1, thanks!" CreationDate="2013-08-10T13:43:49.010" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="2637" PostId="607" Score="11" Text="Agreed. I do think +1's are unnecessary - that's what upvoting is for - but I generally thank people when they answer my questions. I think this is related to the fact that MO is more in line with mathematical academic culture than the Stack Exchange network in general, which encourages a more impersonal level of discourse (which is not a priori bad, just different)." CreationDate="2013-08-10T14:31:26.123" UserId="1528" />
  <row Id="2638" PostId="607" Score="12" Text="Yes, I believe that thanking people who've helped you is entirely appropriate. I have to admit that I find the anonymous impersonal culture here at variance with my own. This is part of the reason, I rarely contribute any more." CreationDate="2013-08-10T15:16:38.693" UserId="4144" />
  <row Id="2643" PostId="607" Score="5" Text="I completely agree with Donu." CreationDate="2013-08-10T16:43:24.030" UserId="4790" />
  <row Id="2647" PostId="607" Score="0" Text="@DonuArapura  Since the move there would be  technically ample of room for more personal interaction (via chat), however, almost noone seems to use it. And, let me add it is really simple to use this chat and it also works in an asynchronous way; it is roughly like a huge comment thread. On math.SE for example this is quite active and personal; now the precise tone of the math.SE chat might not be such that everybody on this site would enjoy it (I guess) but one can start any number of rooms, for example there is already an Algebraic Geometry room, did you already have a look at it?" CreationDate="2013-08-10T19:13:04.143" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2652" PostId="607" Score="0" Text="Quid, no I haven't yet. I suppose I should check it out when I have time (and lack thereof is the other more important reason for my decreased participation)." CreationDate="2013-08-10T21:09:01.363" UserId="4144" />
  <row Id="2654" PostId="607" Score="1" Text="@quid: The chat system is fundamentally flawed. I don't see the point in using it." CreationDate="2013-08-10T21:51:14.740" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2655" PostId="607" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila in what way is it fundamentally flawed? (You see this is one of these cases where I wish people would write more detailed comments.) And, to what end would *you* want to use it in the first place/in a perfect world (where it would not be &quot;fundamentally flawed&quot;)?" CreationDate="2013-08-10T21:54:59.493" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2656" PostId="607" Score="3" Text="@quid: First let me say that I was extremely active on the math.SE chatroom (in fact, I was so active that I got an automatic ownership, and I stayed with that title for quite some time). The chat system has a really lousy moderation abilities, the moderators have a lot of power across the entire network (if you're a diamond moderator in one site, you're a chat-wide moderator), but on the other hand there is no local moderation in chatrooms (owners are practically powerless). Moreover flags are being evaluated by users from all over the network, causing loss of context [cont']" CreationDate="2013-08-10T21:57:56.423" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2657" PostId="607" Score="2" Text="[...] which causes both dismissing of actual flags, and admitting ill-posed flags -- which induce an immediate 30 minutes suspension from the chat.  All in all, this is a very bad design system for a chat which includes more than one room. Due to this reason I have decided not to use the chat system (with the exception of the MO chatroom for the first day or two after migration). You may think these things are not a huge issue, but they become issues when you're sitting in one of the two ends of the gun. You don't want your flagged posts to be evaluated by outsiders, or vice versa." CreationDate="2013-08-10T22:00:17.027" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2659" PostId="607" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila thank you for the clarification. So you cannot have found it *that* bad. ;-) I already read about some issues with chat-flags. This seems indeed somewhat problematic. But then I do not expect an MO-room to generate that many situations where there could even be much risk it will be flagged and *considered* as offensive (context or not); and if one does not want to decide on the other flags then one can skip them. But, it is true my first-hand experience  is still a bit limited." CreationDate="2013-08-10T22:40:46.480" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2660" PostId="607" Score="2" Text="@quid: It's not just the flags. It's the fact that if you want to suspend a particular user from *a particular room* you can't do it. You can only suspend them globally, or kick them (and they can just join back). Oh, and did I mention that you have to be a moderator in order to do either? Yes, not even the room owner can decide what is going in the room they *own*. And *this* sort of trouble, I assure you, the MO chatroom will attract (unless, of course, it won't be used by any real MO user, of course)." CreationDate="2013-08-10T23:03:39.123" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2661" PostId="607" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila: well, actually, this does not sound too good the way you describe it. If some cranks or people just an epsilon away from it could annoy &quot;us&quot; without much to be done against it." CreationDate="2013-08-10T23:27:03.673" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2662" PostId="607" Score="2" Text="@quid: Exactly." CreationDate="2013-08-10T23:28:48.667" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2663" PostId="607" Score="1" Text="meta.SO: [Should 'Hi', 'thanks,' taglines, and salutations be removed from posts?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2950/should-hi-thanks-taglines-and-salutations-be-removed-from-posts). Probably some other relevant discussions can be found in linked question." CreationDate="2013-08-11T06:57:20.003" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2677" PostId="607" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak while the discussion is somewhat relevant, to me there is a *huge* difference between what is discussed there mainly and what is discussed here. The difference being that there it is about actual posts (q and a) and in fact mainly questions. And not about *comments*. Also it is about later removal, which is *still* something else." CreationDate="2013-08-11T11:54:24.943" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2678" PostId="607" Score="2" Text="@quid: I should have linked to [Official reference for “don't leave ‘thank you’ comments”](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/101124/) and&#xA;[Is it acceptable to write a thank you in a comment?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126180/). Of course, I am aware that different communities have different standards. But I thought it might be useful to have here links to some relevant discussions at meta.SO anyway. One of those discussions also links to [faq about comments](http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/comment), the section *When shouldn't I comment?* seems relevant here." CreationDate="2013-08-11T12:09:18.827" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2684" PostId="607" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak this seems more directly related. // For those that do not click through, the one title might be a bit misleading. Roughly speaking the answer to the second: yes it can be acceptable, certainly from the OP, but perhaps try to say something in addition to 'thanks'. And the answer to the first question is there is none only one should not use an *answer* for thanking but a comment. Finally, the comment faqs only says one should not do compliments that do *not add* anything else. All this seems rather reasonable to me and not that at odds with current MO culture." CreationDate="2013-08-11T12:39:15.370" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2720" PostId="607" Score="1" Text="I think the obvious solution is to simply ignore this. As long as MO-moderators don't delete such comments, nobody will (network mods don't do such micro-management). This solution works quite well on MSE." CreationDate="2013-08-12T00:58:23.340" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="2721" PostId="607" Score="5" Text="@quid Most people who write in MO chat seem to have no relation to research mathematics whatsoever. Many do not even have an account on MO. People post their questions from MSE there. There are discussions on how sad it is not to have done any mathematics after highschool... In short, the chat room is an emberassment." CreationDate="2013-08-12T01:19:44.340" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="2722" PostId="607" Score="1" Text="@MichaelGreinecker I would say first and foremost essentially nobody writes anything there whatsoever. Yes, recently after four days(!) of complete silence somebody did what you said, but it is not that this happens all the time. And, and, I write there (sometimes)! :-) Even started a game to create some traffic; but then despite skullpatrol's personal invitation you did not want to participate :-( More seriously, once I answered whether a repost or migration or something like this seemed appropriate, which felt sort of useful." CreationDate="2013-08-12T01:34:18.370" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2723" PostId="607" Score="1" Text="Or, also, thinking about it, Martin Sleziak signaled me something related to the site, which was also useful. In particular, just having *something* there gives the possibility to notify the person and communicate something for which there is no obvious place where one could notify on site, which could be convenient on occassion." CreationDate="2013-08-12T01:37:49.960" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2730" PostId="607" Score="4" Text="@quid: Let this be a short lesson (which I refuse to elaborate on), don't encourage skullpatrol. It can do more harm than you think." CreationDate="2013-08-12T06:48:21.517" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2733" PostId="607" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: I take your advice. But, they explained me very kindly some chat-features and were generally very friendly." CreationDate="2013-08-12T09:05:46.663" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2639" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="I have checked this conjecture by a heuristic applying a mathematuica program and it works. I will pdate the question with the mathematica program so you can test the heuristic by yourself." CreationDate="2013-08-10T15:20:13.253" UserId="32300" />
  <row Id="2640" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="Abstarctly I agree. However there are many such questions, some of them even very well received. And, this variant is likely not true (neither is it original), and so I decide it would be simplest to give this as answer. (Also it is weekend and I felt slightly bored.)" CreationDate="2013-08-10T15:47:32.823" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2641" PostId="608" Score="2" Text="The OP's attempt to pass off a few lines of Mathematica code as a &quot;heuristic&quot; now convinces me that the question should be closed." CreationDate="2013-08-10T16:09:18.593" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="2642" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="And, I better had not answered it as somehow I misread it all the time. Sorry for the noise (to those that might mind)!" CreationDate="2013-08-10T16:33:44.000" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2644" PostId="608" Score="2" Text="Steven we run here with my colleagues through the code tests from $1$ up to one million integers as starting points. The conjecture still holds. quid's response is excellent and supports the heuristic that even a test up to $1000$ would be strong enough. Thanks for your support." CreationDate="2013-08-10T17:24:11.233" UserId="32300" />
  <row Id="2645" PostId="608" Score="5" Text="al-Hwarizmi:  I do not think that the word &quot;heuristic&quot; means what you think it means." CreationDate="2013-08-10T17:34:18.933" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="2650" PostId="608" Score="1" Text="As I said I can see and (abstractly) agree this question might be off-topic, however it is not clear to me what should make it so different than say http://mathoverflow.net/questions/120511/why-do-primes-dislike-dividing-the-sum-of-all-the-preceding-primes for one of many example (which is at +15 no downvote and a *massively* upvoted answer)." CreationDate="2013-08-10T19:55:13.933" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2651" PostId="608" Score="5" Text="@quid: Ugh ... . I'd say it's not so different, but I really don't see why there are THAT many upvotes on such question and an answer which probably almost everyone of us could have given." CreationDate="2013-08-10T20:03:58.250" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="2664" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="@Stefan Kohl thanks for your comment." CreationDate="2013-08-11T08:06:45.323" UserId="32300" />
  <row Id="2705" PostId="608" Score="5" Text="Voting on MO is so weird sometimes..." CreationDate="2013-08-11T18:23:56.623" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="2728" PostId="608" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble Less so if you observe voting out in the &quot;real world&quot; (sad to say)" CreationDate="2013-08-12T04:52:05.007" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2646" PostId="609" Score="2" Text="I disagree with this. The culture does not seem that different to me. Of course, SO in particular is a much larger site, and it is thus different, or math.SE is somewhat larger and is/feels &quot;younger&quot; but other than that I really do not see a huge a difference. I think many of the innovations make sense when suitably interpreted. This however makes it necessary to engage with the intent and not take some reading with which one diasgrees and then feel in a position to  dismiss it. For example, I often wish people would write more detailed comments on this site." CreationDate="2013-08-10T19:03:57.170" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2653" PostId="610" Score="1" Text="Are you going to thank me for correcting the typos now? ;-)" CreationDate="2013-08-10T21:50:26.627" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2658" PostId="610" Score="0" Text="I am on record as saying I appreciate all edits to my posts that improve them, and since you seem to have corrected two spelling errors it seems like an improvement. So, thank your for doing this. It is a bit embarassing how badly I spell on this site; it is not as bad everywhere (but it is not one of my strength anyway). Not sure what makes it so bad here. I blame a combination of the small boxes, the fact that I sometimes type the things here very quickly, and mainly the fact that in the browser I write under a spellchecker...for another language." CreationDate="2013-08-10T22:03:48.957" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2725" PostId="614" Score="1" Text="Hi Kaveh! How are you today? Lately you seem not as active on meta as before. How so? In any case glad to see you again. Nice post, by the way. Only I am sort of surprised you imply the purpose of comments on MO might be having conversation. This did never really occur to me. But now that I know, I thought I would do some small talk right away. How is the wheather wherever you are? Have a nice day and hope to see you soon on meta or on main or maybe I will eventually do an excursion to cs-theory. All the best, quid" CreationDate="2013-08-12T02:05:21.190" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2727" PostId="614" Score="0" Text="Since the point I want to make might not be apparent, let me stress again that I think there is not that much of a cultural divide as one might infer from some contributions, including this one. This is not directed against this post, which provides relevant information. But I do not see a reason to stress the differences in culture over the similarities (in particular, as the latter seem a lot greater). What is different I think is that there is more a culture of comment deletition (but this is likely also a question of sites size). But then some deleted obsolete comments all along *on MO*." CreationDate="2013-08-12T02:34:00.830" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2729" PostId="614" Score="0" Text="@quid, thanks quid. I still read the posts. And I don't imply that the purpose of comments on MO are conversation. ps: this answer is kind of obsolete now that Tim has posted an answer." CreationDate="2013-08-12T06:11:52.737" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="2734" PostId="614" Score="0" Text="Yes, but I didn't say you implied that it *is* the purpose, either; only that it *might be*. Now, I am willing to admit that I perhaps read your post in a way different than intended (eg, due to Asaf Karagila's insistance on the &quot;very, *very*, **very**, ***very***&quot; large differences; and  similar situations earlier). The reason I said this is, you start your explication pointing out that in your understanding SE's perspective on cmnts is they are not for having conv. If this needs saying I thought you assume this *might* be different on MO. But, as said, I might have taken post the wrong way." CreationDate="2013-08-12T09:25:48.030" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2735" PostId="614" Score="1" Text="And, don't worry about obsolete! This is MO after all! ;-) Where some arguue *abstractly* for keeping comments around that point out typos that already got corrected. (Requests for clarification why it is desirable to keep them go unanswered, so please don't ask me why.)" CreationDate="2013-08-12T09:28:19.053" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2731" PostId="615" Score="1" Text="How much has the scale for MathOverflow grown since migration?  Also, I understand and appreciate several points you make, and also disagree with almost all of them.  Even though I do not administer dozens of forums, may I suggest that a preferred goal be to &quot;help future visitors differently well from current visitors&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-08-12T07:21:04.293" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="2750" PostId="615" Score="5" Text="Note that moderators don't delete comments on MathOverflow, except in egregious circumstances." CreationDate="2013-08-12T14:38:43.863" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2753" PostId="615" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger I'm not quite sure to be honest, I'm not aware of how it was doing prior to joining the network in granular enough detail to say. However as François notes, the policy of _this_ community is to not remove comments except in extreme cases, and that's perfectly fine. Whenever possible, we want sites to do what works for them. I appreciate your candor, and the points do indeed come from a bird's eye view of many different sites, but that doesn't mean that they necessarily apply _everywhere_ :) I mostly just wanted to explain why we're being so oddly specific in that help text." CreationDate="2013-08-12T15:22:25.737" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="2756" PostId="615" Score="1" Text="I think it important to acknowledge  the efforts  of others with something more than a number.  Thank you for clarifying the intent of your post, and for your response to my question.  Please note we are still grateful for the service MathOverflow (and StackExchange) provides." CreationDate="2013-08-12T15:46:59.557" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="2758" PostId="615" Score="1" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger MO is quite &quot;seasonal&quot;. One would have to compare this July/August with one year ago. Locally, it feels rather not-so-active (but this is normal). On your second point, would you consider it as better or worse if most accompanied most votes they cast with a comment? (IMO, the main reason why on this site people do not see the need for this guidance is that most people anyway excercise some healthy restraint in leaving insignificant comments.)" CreationDate="2013-08-12T16:34:47.327" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2759" PostId="615" Score="0" Text="I am experiencing a semantic disconnect:  I do not see your remarks as having anything to do with my second point, quid.  I will be hanging out in a chat room soon.  We can attempt clarity and mutual understanding there." CreationDate="2013-08-12T16:59:58.043" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7990" PostId="615" Score="0" Text="Not everything that is good for SO is good for any other (including smaller very specialized) site in the network. So SE should let the individual sites decide for themself, if they want to adopt such not explicitely asked for helps and features (automated downvotes upon closure is another bad one) too, instead of globally implementing such changes without asking for agreement." CreationDate="2014-06-11T21:52:46.527" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="2736" PostId="616" Score="4" Text="I am not really sure, but it might be gone. I am not sure the info is up-to-date but see http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/2558/feature-request-user-script-or-option-to-turn-off-instant-mathjax-rendering and also somewhat http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/4208/a-prototype-for-incremental-preview-updates (on the good side, the threads offer some solutions, but no 'direct' ones also I have not tried them)." CreationDate="2013-08-12T09:54:11.580" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2737" PostId="616" Score="0" Text="Well, since this &quot;conveniently&quot; coincided in time with the disappearance of the runtime &quot;disable javascript&quot; option on my favorite browsers, I can't help starting to believe in conspiracy theories :). OK, I CAN program myself when I need it. I only don't understand why the developers of the modern software love the users to engage in (skilled or unskilled) fights with their products so much... Why not just to create something that could be controlled through the front entrance, not through the back doors?" CreationDate="2013-08-12T10:29:11.823" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="2806" PostId="616" Score="3" Text="This is one of the handful of regressions from MO1.0, so I'm reclassifying as a bug though I'm not sure it will get fixed." CreationDate="2013-08-14T15:07:03.147" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="12040" PostId="616" Score="0" Text="I had a fight with the MathJax preview myself this morning. Astonishing that for more than two years, nobody else complained ..." CreationDate="2015-12-20T16:52:06.953" UserId="70808" />
  <row Id="12053" PostId="616" Score="0" Text="Some instructions on a work around are [here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2660/how-to-turn-off-the-mathjax-preview)" CreationDate="2015-12-22T23:37:58.243" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2751" PostId="617" Score="4" Text="This question was suggested in [this discussion](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/563/where-to-share-mathoverflow-success-stories)." CreationDate="2013-08-12T15:07:46.760" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2761" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="Is it really the case that the old success stories have to be migrated by hand? I'm surprised there's not a way to do this within the stack software or at least write a program to do it." CreationDate="2013-08-12T18:22:08.733" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="2762" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="@David: Clarify what you're suggesting. What do you propose migrating this way?" CreationDate="2013-08-12T18:27:41.827" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2765" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="Hi. I felt that if we plan to have a single unified place for success stories (e.g. if someone wants to come and write an article about MO) then it doesn't make sense to have one place at tea for pre-migration and one here for post-migration. So the old success stories should be here, since it appears we can't add new ones to that old page. But it would take a long time to move them over one by one. I wish it could be done all at once." CreationDate="2013-08-12T19:01:57.850" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="2766" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="@David: The thread at tea is mostly other stuff so it's best to do it manually." CreationDate="2013-08-12T19:10:03.990" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2771" PostId="617" Score="1" Text="@DavidWhite tangentially, but one could add things in the old thread." CreationDate="2013-08-12T21:15:25.197" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3075" PostId="617" Score="4" Text="Many papers were inspired by questions raised on MO, but has any credit been given to those who raised the questions in the publications? I am just wondering." CreationDate="2013-08-24T16:09:33.110" UserId="5115" />
  <row Id="13758" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="@qed I know for a fact that in many instances, perhaps most, the MO question-asker is given credit and citations. Further, I know of several cases, and I expect that there are many more, in which the question-asker was invited to join as co-author." CreationDate="2016-12-26T15:02:28.597" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="14212" PostId="617" Score="4" Text="I wonder if the title should be changed from &quot;Best of MathOverflow&quot; to &quot;Publications resulting from MathOverflow&quot; (or maybe &quot;inspired by&quot;?). It has in fact developed into publication citing." CreationDate="2017-04-09T01:57:06.520" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="15883" PostId="617" Score="3" Text="@JosephO'Rourke What you write is perhaps true. OTOH the ones which MO community considers the best are quite likely to rise to the top based on voting, so in this sense it might still be a fitting title. I'll point out that Todd Trimble recently [commented on the title of this thread](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/1/21): *Some people might feel uneasy citing their own work at a thread entitled &quot;Best of MathOverflow&quot;, but perhaps that title should be interpreted broadly*" CreationDate="2018-01-21T09:49:49.547" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21308" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="This is sort of a duplicate of this closed question: https://mathoverflow.net/q/11846/1345" CreationDate="2019-11-19T18:41:11.757" UserId="1345" />
  <row Id="21356" PostId="617" Score="2" Text="@Ian I think the idea was that meta is a more appropriate place for this question than main was." CreationDate="2019-12-03T22:37:31.970" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27408" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="As the link to tea given at the end of the post [does not work now](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4438), I'll add a [link to Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20190726172226/http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/64/where-to-keep-track-of-mathoverflow-success-stories/) at least here in a comment." CreationDate="2022-06-14T05:31:57.907" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27479" PostId="617" Score="4" Text="I'd like to shorten the current title *&quot;Best of MathOverflow, or papers inspired by MathOverflow&quot;* to *&quot;Research inspired by MathOverflow&quot;*. Two reasons: one is that I'd feel uncomfortable in claiming a paper (especially mine) as &quot;best of&quot;. Second, it just better suits the question. (In practice it's rather &quot;Papers inspired by MO&quot;, but the question allows a broader interpretation.) What do you think?" CreationDate="2022-07-10T14:33:59.277" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="10616" PostId="620" Score="0" Text="Is Richard Stanley also a collaborator to the article?" CreationDate="2015-06-19T05:06:22.493" UserId="55932" />
  <row Id="10620" PostId="620" Score="0" Text="No; we cite his question, but he is not a co-author or collaborator." CreationDate="2015-06-19T10:12:26.583" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="10717" PostId="620" Score="0" Text="And by that, your definition of &quot;collaborator&quot; refers to?" CreationDate="2015-06-26T23:17:59.557" UserId="55932" />
  <row Id="10718" PostId="620" Score="7" Text="I had meant the ordinary meaning of &quot;collaborator.&quot; In mathematical research, this would be someone with whom you work together on a research project, making a joint intellectual effort. Here is a list of my own research collaborators: http://jdh.hamkins.org/collaborators/" CreationDate="2015-06-27T00:13:34.667" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="10743" PostId="620" Score="0" Text="So is it basically just a place where you thank people for helping? Is a &quot;collaborator&quot; an objective thing or is it totally subjective and you can list anyone you wanted that had helped you *tangentially*? What would be the bare minimum to qualify for a &quot;collaborator&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-07-02T12:05:57.963" UserId="55932" />
  <row Id="10746" PostId="620" Score="12" Text="I would refer you to a dictionary or to english.stackexchange.com for advice on use of the word &quot;collaborator.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-07-02T21:29:40.427" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="10806" PostId="620" Score="0" Text="I actually mean.. is it a *specific terminology* used in maths research?" CreationDate="2015-07-08T10:41:45.323" UserId="55932" />
  <row Id="2776" PostId="624" Score="2" Text="It also does not render with my browser; Safari 5.1.9 on a Mac." CreationDate="2013-08-13T00:28:11.087" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="2780" PostId="624" Score="1" Text="I removerd the tag 'bug' as I really do not see any bug here, now that it seems a given everything is unicode. (Obviously feel free to revert; it is mainly as things tagged 'bug' are looked at quickly by devellopers and this now seems mainly a community issue how to see this type of input or also a support question perhaps)." CreationDate="2013-08-13T01:08:59.717" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2781" PostId="624" Score="0" Text="@quid: Thanks for removing the tag. The question is probably better without it, given the current information. Thanks also for the information on the function of the tag 'bug' concerning the developers." CreationDate="2013-08-13T01:12:59.667" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2788" PostId="624" Score="1" Text="I have similar problems using Firefox 20.0 on a Mac." CreationDate="2013-08-13T02:34:56.413" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="2789" PostId="624" Score="0" Text="@Bill: Thanks for the information. I appear to have no problems viewing the answer with Firefox 22 on Linux. Can you please briefly describe the issues you are seeing?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T02:59:33.790" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2803" PostId="624" Score="0" Text="Hmm. On my office Mac, the rendering is correct on Safari.  I'll check on my laptop again when I am at home.  It looks like a font issue unless the editing last night fixed the problem." CreationDate="2013-08-13T17:46:07.523" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="2775" PostId="625" Score="2" Text="Dear @Rohan: Thank you very much for your answer, as it greatly clarifies the situation. I apologize regarding the unicode text. I was completely unaware that unicode had italic and bold text symbols." CreationDate="2013-08-13T00:26:58.570" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2782" PostId="625" Score="1" Text="Dear @Rohan: Regarding your question, Webkit 1.10.2 appears to not display some italic symbols and some bold symbols. It displays at least some subscripts." CreationDate="2013-08-13T01:20:51.213" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2783" PostId="625" Score="0" Text="On an up to date OSX system, the only characters that seem to cause trouble are the subscript ‘t’ and ‘p’, and I think those might be a font issue.  Are the symbols that are not displayed correctly shown as a box?  (I think that a screenshot might be helpful.)" CreationDate="2013-08-13T01:46:49.127" UserId="38535" />
  <row Id="2784" PostId="625" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately, I'm also seeing many symbols as a box (not just subscripts and superscripts), both with Chrome and with IE10 on Windows 7, but different symbols are problematic in each case." CreationDate="2013-08-13T02:08:05.553" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2785" PostId="625" Score="0" Text="In my case, the symbols simply do not appear. There are no boxes. I am using two different webkit browsers on linux." CreationDate="2013-08-13T02:13:11.003" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2786" PostId="625" Score="1" Text="I suspect that this is a font issue, then.  I am willing to go through my answer and replace the troublesome expressions with mathjax markup.  Can anyone think of a better alternative?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T02:22:57.810" UserId="38535" />
  <row Id="2787" PostId="625" Score="0" Text="(I am using Chromium on Arch Linux, by the way.  It has no problems displaying my post.)" CreationDate="2013-08-13T02:24:43.753" UserId="38535" />
  <row Id="2791" PostId="625" Score="0" Text="(Chrome dev on OS X mostly gets it right, but with a number of missing characters, rendered as boxes.)" CreationDate="2013-08-13T03:37:55.903" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2795" PostId="625" Score="1" Text="The post now uses mathjax.  Does it work for everyone now?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T03:58:11.140" UserId="38535" />
  <row Id="2797" PostId="625" Score="0" Text="@Rohan: The post appears to render appropriately when mathjax uses html-css or svg. However, there are still missing symbols when rendering with mathml." CreationDate="2013-08-13T05:10:36.360" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2799" PostId="625" Score="0" Text="I still use Unicode characters in math-mode, but I would have thought that they are handled in *exactly* the same way as any other valid description of the symbol by mathjax.  Does mathjax use mathml by default, so that my edit is not an improvement, or can most users now read the answer without problems?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T05:49:10.660" UserId="38535" />
  <row Id="2801" PostId="625" Score="0" Text="I think the default renderer for mathjax is html-css, so that anyone who uses the default should be able to read your answer now. However, some people use mathml to render mathjax. Further, some other people either disable mathjax (e.g. by disabling javascript) or use a browser incapable of rendering mathjax." CreationDate="2013-08-13T06:23:54.953" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4049" PostId="627" Score="1" Text="Both issues finally fixed, thanks!" CreationDate="2013-09-28T02:36:41.360" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2807" PostId="630" Score="1" Text="From what I saw on MSE, the answer is no. You can safely delete just one profile." CreationDate="2013-08-15T05:39:32.933" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2808" PostId="630" Score="1" Text="I agree.  I deleted one of my SE accounts and the others were not affected." CreationDate="2013-08-15T07:09:29.357" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="2810" PostId="630" Score="1" Text="I can confirm what Joel says.  I believe I created an economics or quant SE account and deleted it shortly after with no affect on my other accounts." CreationDate="2013-08-15T08:35:54.390" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="2817" PostId="630" Score="2" Text="I hope you are not considering to delete *your* MO-account for some reason." CreationDate="2013-08-15T16:07:54.590" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2823" PostId="630" Score="1" Text="@quid: I have no plans to stop using MO." CreationDate="2013-08-15T23:47:38.247" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2818" PostId="631" Score="4" Text="You could ask them to turn their comment into an answer so that you can award them the bounty." CreationDate="2013-08-15T16:45:27.747" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="2819" PostId="631" Score="0" Text="@MichaelAlbanese: Thanks. -- I have done so. Let's see whether the answerer gets back to it before MO runs out of patience ... ." CreationDate="2013-08-15T16:51:10.213" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="2820" PostId="631" Score="3" Text="I would have thought the grace period applies to the awarder of the bounty, not to potential answerers. That is, is it actually possible to award the bounty to an answer posted after the bounty has ended?" CreationDate="2013-08-15T17:39:48.150" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="2821" PostId="631" Score="4" Text="@EmilJeřábek: Yes.  Here is a meta.stackoverflow.com question about that: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/134943/are-answers-posted-during-the-grace-period-eligible-for-bounties" CreationDate="2013-08-15T18:10:18.223" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="2826" PostId="635" Score="1" Text="For balance one might add this blog-post linked from said user's page http://msmvps.com/blogs/jon_skeet/archive/2012/08/22/stack-overflow-and-personal-emails.aspx (Also on math.SE somebody had something like this (they are now inactive but have something related), also here on MO we have issues with unwanted email.)" CreationDate="2013-08-16T11:11:48.287" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2828" PostId="635" Score="1" Text="On your points: maybe some do not need that extra encouragement? Also inspecting content of some people posting under their real-name I doubt the effect is that significant. Also some say specifically that they **do not want** the 'trust' others have in the quality of their posts depends on their name. The content is here to be understood; if some are not capable of forming an opinion without name-recoginition perhaps the problem lies there. And, the argument can be turned around if you post without an actual identity attached the content needs to convince on its own merits." CreationDate="2013-08-16T12:38:00.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2830" PostId="635" Score="1" Text="@quid Good points, that's why ultimately everyone has to decide this for themselves. I just wanted quote that argument which does make sense, but as you state, there are also benefits in anonymity" CreationDate="2013-08-16T18:04:21.137" UserId="6797" />
  <row Id="10585" PostId="635" Score="0" Text="The question has nothing to do with &quot;real&quot; names. This &quot;answer&quot; has nothing to do with the question, and should be deleted as &quot;not an answer&quot;." CreationDate="2015-06-15T11:02:56.610" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="10587" PostId="635" Score="0" Text="@TRiG I fail to see your point, but if you disagree then by all means downvote, that's what the voting system is for. &quot;not an answer&quot; in contrast is for posts like &quot;I have that problem too, have u checked the latest episode of myth busters btw&quot;" CreationDate="2015-06-15T11:35:58.327" UserId="6797" />
  <row Id="10588" PostId="635" Score="0" Text="The question is about &quot;some kind of name&quot; (i.e., something other than &quot;userXXXX&quot;). The answer is about the misguided effort some people here have to enforce &quot;real&quot; names. Completely unrelated." CreationDate="2015-06-15T11:37:31.723" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="10590" PostId="635" Score="0" Text="@TRiG I'm afraid you only skimmed my answer, I stated that any nickname is better than the default. at no point did I intend to enforce real names. maybe my formulation is suboptimal though, given English is not my native language" CreationDate="2015-06-15T12:18:00.513" UserId="6797" />
  <row Id="2840" PostId="638" Score="13" Text="I think the system is fine: acquire some reputation by contributing some questions or answers, and only then start to comment" CreationDate="2013-08-17T17:27:30.437" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2842" PostId="638" Score="10" Text="If you really have a burning desire to comment on a post, add your comment as an answer and flag for moderator attention. The moderators will convert your answer to a comment." CreationDate="2013-08-17T23:22:11.890" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2846" PostId="638" Score="19" Text="Meta-advice ... Participate in the site for a month or two, and ONLY THEN suggest changes in the way it works." CreationDate="2013-08-18T12:53:17.980" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="2847" PostId="639" Score="7" Text="50 rep. points is a pretty low threshold anyway. If you are already registered with any other Stack Exchange forum, you start at 101 just after opening a new forum account. I would say, that is the lowest &quot;spam protection&quot; setting that still makes sense :)." CreationDate="2013-08-18T16:04:16.110" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="2848" PostId="639" Score="1" Text="@fedja yes it is not a very high barrier, but I think in particular for infrequent users it can still be an issue. Because if one does not visit frequently many of the questions one sees already are answered but one might still have some additional remark that might make a good comment but not really a new answer. To be precise, let me add that it is not sufficient to be registered with an other site, but one needs 200 (or perhaps 201) points on another site." CreationDate="2013-08-18T16:17:04.567" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2849" PostId="639" Score="0" Text="Yeah, of course. I should have said &quot;registered and minimally active&quot;. Just registering on 2 forums at once shouldn't be an easy bypass of the &quot;spam safeguards&quot; :). One could, probably, introduce the &quot;approval&quot; requirement for the new users instead but we are already getting &quot;approve changes&quot; notifications in higher amounts than I'm willing to process on some days (fortunately, there are kinder souls out there)." CreationDate="2013-08-18T16:25:33.423" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="2850" PostId="639" Score="0" Text="There is a feature request to that extent on meta.SO http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/186954/allow-anyone-to-comment-but-hide-low-rep-users-comments-until-reviewed Yes sometimes the reviewing is a nuissance in particular since one is called to it by this highly visible thing...hard to ignore, but then in general it feels like a useful activity so it is not so bad." CreationDate="2013-08-18T17:07:06.110" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2857" PostId="640" Score="6" Text="Anna (and Nick!): Thank you very much for your work!" CreationDate="2013-08-18T23:28:25.227" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2853" PostId="642" Score="16" Text="My gut feeling (perhaps not borne out by cold look at evidence) is that &quot;linear algebra&quot; remains a useful general tag that can be applied even to questions at research level" CreationDate="2013-08-18T23:07:42.223" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2854" PostId="642" Score="20" Text="Eliminate &quot;calculus&quot;, there are obvious alternatives. &quot;Linear algebra&quot;, on the other hand, seems useful, even if it attracts some noise." CreationDate="2013-08-18T23:09:01.520" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2855" PostId="642" Score="2" Text="I agree with Andres." CreationDate="2013-08-18T23:10:42.543" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="2856" PostId="642" Score="1" Text="For linear algebra, to give an example, we recently had the very interesting question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/139595/maximal-cardinality-of-an-independent-subset-k-mathbbn-two-distinct-elem, which seems to me to be an entirely appropriate use of the tag." CreationDate="2013-08-18T23:11:48.710" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="2858" PostId="642" Score="1" Text="Also, the tag 'linear-algebra' is commonly used as a sort of replacement for a top level tag. I believe there are many valid questions which, other than 'linear-algebra', have only very specific tags. Personally, I feel that questions involving linear algebra are often hard to shoehorn into the usual top level tags. [Perhaps that means we should adopt new top level tags, but that is an entirely different discussion.]" CreationDate="2013-08-18T23:48:54.180" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2859" PostId="642" Score="1" Text="On a different note, if you are looking for tags which invite problematic questions, look no further than the deprecated tag 'geometry', which is much larger than 'calculus'." CreationDate="2013-08-18T23:50:59.390" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2860" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="Strangely, [tag:trigonometry] seems to be majority questions that are at least decent. Otherwise I'd suggest getting rid of it too." CreationDate="2013-08-19T00:06:45.987" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="2861" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="@Ricardo: That was indeed an entirely different question - http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/196/use-of-arxiv-tags" CreationDate="2013-08-19T00:07:46.047" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2862" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="@LoganMaingi: That should be an answer so it gets proper notification to the community." CreationDate="2013-08-19T00:08:38.330" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2863" PostId="642" Score="2" Text="At the risk of thread drift, I refer readers to a question recently posed at m.se, as to whether there are any open problems in linear algebra: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/461017/are-there-open-problems-in-linear-algebra" CreationDate="2013-08-19T00:13:40.957" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2868" PostId="642" Score="2" Text="In connection with this problem, it might be useful to know how many posts bear only the tag which is going to be burninated. (Which, I guess, means that these questions would have (untagged) as their only tag.) You can use [this query](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/131389/finding-posts-tagged-only-with-one-given-tag?tagname=calculus) for various tags." CreationDate="2013-08-19T09:41:03.850" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2879" PostId="642" Score="5" Text="One contrary data point:&#xA;I used &quot;calculus&quot; as the first tag of my MO question &#xA;&quot;Source and context of&#xA;$\frac{22}{7} - \pi = \int_0^1 (x-x^2)^4 \frac{dx}{1+x^2}$&quot;&#xA;(http://mathoverflow.net/questions/67384).&#xA;The question got interesting and pertinent replies, and nobody suggested that &#xA;either the question or the tag were not appropriate for MathOverflow." CreationDate="2013-08-20T04:49:03.973" UserId="14830" />
  <row Id="3133" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="What about all the computer science tags? There's now a CS stack website, so I suppose most of these get migrated, right? I'm thinking about computer-science, cs.cc.complexity-theory, cs.ms.math-software, and there are probably more" CreationDate="2013-08-26T12:27:14.807" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="3137" PostId="642" Score="5" Text="Maybe it's time for this question to get a new title." CreationDate="2013-08-26T13:42:35.150" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="3310" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="Some of &quot;off-tags&quot; have a positive side that I think has been missed in the question asked. Right, they may suggest &quot;off-topics&quot; ideas. But, if correctly used, they may also give the right idea about the question. Suppose there is a calculus question tagged &quot;algebraic geometry&quot; since the poster couldn't find any better tag. Which one would be better? An off-topic question with a correct tag or an off-topic question with a misleading tag? I personally prefer the first." CreationDate="2013-08-29T14:02:26.323" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="3311" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="@Amir: Go ahead and downvote all answers where you don't think there are good alternatives! Linear algebra doesn't have much but calculus has plenty: [tag:ca.analysis-and-odes], [tag:special-functions], [tag:integration], [tag:limits], etc." CreationDate="2013-08-29T14:16:46.430" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3312" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I was about the complete my answer that I realized that it was converted to a comment. Anyway, here is the rest: Moreover, I believe that people usually come up with a question and then look for a proper tag, not the other way round!! Thus, by eliminating the calculus tag, not only we haven't solved any problem, but we would encourage the use of misleading tags." CreationDate="2013-08-29T14:22:06.423" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="3313" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I think there should be written something about the possibility of using &quot;good alternatives&quot; in the body of the question. That is a very important side of the issue that should not be kept hidden." CreationDate="2013-08-29T14:40:07.093" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="3314" PostId="642" Score="2" Text="@Amir: No, that would suggest that this is the only criterion when it's only one of them. There are a variety of differences between calculus and linear algebra, different users will see different ones and vote accordingly. The total vote count should then approximately reflect all aspects and perspectives. If you feel that one aspect is being ignored in one case or another, add a comment highlighting your point of view so that others can see what they are missing out on. For example, Andres pointed out the alternatives aspect in a comment above and 19 users agreed that this was important." CreationDate="2013-08-29T14:58:14.837" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3315" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Okay. Convinced!" CreationDate="2013-08-29T15:56:06.100" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="3376" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="@François, you can also try to use [data.se] to figure out which tags have the highest number, ratio, etc. of  closed questions." CreationDate="2013-08-31T05:39:07.657" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6554" PostId="642" Score="1" Text="I think nt.number theory attracts more than its fair share of off-topic questions!" CreationDate="2014-01-23T19:57:52.463" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="2878" PostId="644" Score="1" Text="Not before we see http://mathoverflow.net/questions/139635/how-to-transform-matrix-to-this-form-by-unitary-transformation and http://mathoverflow.net/questions/27345/norms-of-commutators solved, at least (and even then I can throw in a couple more myself :))." CreationDate="2013-08-20T03:26:17.763" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3094" PostId="644" Score="1" Text="@fedja: Maybe these should be posted at http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/461017/are-there-open-problems-in-linear-algebra ? You never know..." CreationDate="2013-08-25T23:39:14.527" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3096" PostId="644" Score="2" Text="Done. $\phantom{what a stupid restriction!}$" CreationDate="2013-08-25T23:49:35.343" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3519" PostId="649" Score="1" Text="For completeness, I want to remark that a double backslash \\ creates a new line when mathjax is rendered using CSS or SVG. Interestingly, it appears to be ignored and not create a new line when mathjax is rendered using mathml." CreationDate="2013-09-06T18:34:08.837" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="2882" PostId="650" Score="3" Text="I think your question is fine, but I don't understand what you mean by your title" CreationDate="2013-08-20T16:49:55.173" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2883" PostId="650" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi Please feel free to change the title. Indeed, I wasn't sure about it as well!" CreationDate="2013-08-20T17:40:38.617" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="2884" PostId="650" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi I have changed the title. Please let me know if it is OK now." CreationDate="2013-08-20T17:45:46.283" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="2885" PostId="650" Score="0" Text="The new title looks fine" CreationDate="2013-08-20T18:00:54.717" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="2886" PostId="650" Score="3" Text="I used to try to explain why a question was unsuitable, it just made the OP angry. I did want to tell some to move to MSE...so i am finding the current setup relaxing, either vote to close or vote to migrate." CreationDate="2013-08-20T19:19:03.020" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2887" PostId="650" Score="1" Text="@WillJagy you make it look as if each OP gets angry. This was not at all my experience. First-time askers getting angry were more an exception than the rule, in my experience." CreationDate="2013-08-20T19:34:12.933" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2888" PostId="650" Score="3" Text="@quid, I see what you mean. It happened a few times too often for my taste. Granted, I am on the thin-skinned end of the spectrum." CreationDate="2013-08-20T19:40:10.880" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2899" PostId="651" Score="2" Text="Documentation? Can you cite an example of someone who was encouraged to post an inappropriate question (I mean, a question the poster knew to be inappropriate) to MO by seeing answers or hints posted as comments to previous inappropriate questions?" CreationDate="2013-08-21T00:29:53.003" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2908" PostId="651" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson in *numerous* discussions about on-topicnes precedence where brought up and sometimes people said they were sure this is alright as the found a similar question on the site via a search. Granted, this is mainly for soft-questions not what is mainly discussed here, but then how would you show or know what precsiely encouraged a passing-by asker to ask there question here. Sure, it is a bit of a guess, and I might agree some people worry too much about it, but your precise requests still strikes me as slightly unfair as even if it happens frequently  might be impossible to show." CreationDate="2013-08-21T02:13:25.117" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2915" PostId="651" Score="0" Text="@quid, had Andy presented it as a guess, I'd have had no problem with his post. He presented it as an established fact, and mathematicians don't do that if they don't have a proof." CreationDate="2013-08-21T05:43:59.347" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2916" PostId="651" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson thank you for the clarification. This a fair point." CreationDate="2013-08-21T05:51:22.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3262" PostId="651" Score="0" Text="I sometimes wonder, why it is possible to vote on questions that are not appropriate for MO; isn't a vote also a kind of comment?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T18:30:27.110" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="2890" PostId="654" Score="1" Text="What about the situation where 'the empty information' is already enough for the &quot;reasonably clever reader to finish the solution without too much effort&quot;. (In my opinion, this being so does not make the OP  ncessarily stupid or lazy.)" CreationDate="2013-08-20T23:27:16.527" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2891" PostId="654" Score="1" Text="{'the empty information' is already enough for the &quot;reasonably clever reader} and {&quot;this being so does not make the OP necessarily stupid or lazy.&quot;} are compatible only if the empty information is actually the information that the empty information is enough, i.e., the empty comment has the meaning &quot;We all believe you can do this yourself!&quot;. Why not to write it then explicitly in this form?" CreationDate="2013-08-20T23:31:53.907" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="2892" PostId="654" Score="0" Text="I do not consider everybody falling either under &quot;reasonably clever reader&quot; (of MO) and &quot;too stupid or too lazy to waste my time on.&quot; Thus, I do not consider your statement regarding the compatibility as valid." CreationDate="2013-08-20T23:42:15.387" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2893" PostId="654" Score="1" Text="Here is where we digress (as it has often happened before :)). I see things in black and white and you in shades. However, I hope, we agree that the default meaning of a closed post with the empty comment for the OP is &quot;You aren't welcome here&quot;. (We can talk about the difference between &quot;you&quot; and &quot;this particular question of yours&quot;, but, frankly speaking, IMHO, the cases when one person can ask questions of wide range of interest and difficulty are pretty rare). Anyway, I guess we can see each other's point despite very different usage of language ;)." CreationDate="2013-08-20T23:52:37.030" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="2894" PostId="654" Score="0" Text="I agree regarding what one typically will infer from a closure without a comment. And, I almost never voted to close anything without either leaving a comment or there already being one I found alright. The only point of difference, if it is one, is that I do not think the *only* options are leaving *mathematical* information or telling them they will be able to solve it themselves. But, for example, one can also tell them that they could ask this elsewhere." CreationDate="2013-08-21T00:07:12.133" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2895" PostId="654" Score="0" Text="Sure. However, if you think of the time the person needs to read your suggestion to ask elsewhere, to ask elsewhere, to get a (possibly wrong because MO has more qualified people) answer, etc., and the time you need to type essentially the full solution, you'll realize that you value your time at least 100 times as much as his time. There are people for which I would agree with this comparison, as far as my own time is concerned, but they  all belong to the two categories I mentioned (in my classification). :)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T00:12:37.400" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="2896" PostId="654" Score="0" Text="OPs time and the person closing time are not the only relevant quantities here. When I want to optimize for my time, I simply ignore such things completely. (Which actually is what I do since some while mainly, since for reasons not needing discussion now, I reevaluted the value of the other quantities.) Sometimes it took me more time to write the comment to explain that they should ask elsewhere, than it would have taken to sketch an answer to the question. It is not as black-and-white, indeed. But, I think, essentially we agree anyway. :-)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T00:22:18.573" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2901" PostId="654" Score="2" Text="&quot;But, I think, essentially we agree anyway. :-)&quot;. As usual, again. It is the language barrier that really separates us (plus the choice of the side of the story to present first). I also don't mind the sketch + the suggestion to ask elsewhere NEXT time, or the internet {link/search query} that would lead to the answer in a matter of seconds, say. Those are completely fine. I just mind implicit de facto message &quot;Get out of here!&quot; without readiness to say so openly." CreationDate="2013-08-21T00:34:07.310" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="2897" PostId="655" Score="8" Text="To me, it seems quite natural that said user would move to MO and do the same things. It would seem strange for the user to move to cooking.stackexchange.com or bicycles.stackexchange.com, but MO would be the first place on one's list, no?" CreationDate="2013-08-21T00:25:45.687" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2898" PostId="655" Score="0" Text="Yes, that was my point.  I edited the question to make that more clear.  It's what I expect a user to do, the question is whether this is desirable for MO." CreationDate="2013-08-21T00:28:02.283" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="2900" PostId="655" Score="6" Text="Sorry, the question seems less clear to me than before the edit. Anyway, I'm with quid's answer --- offenses at site X don't automatically warrant suspensions at site Y." CreationDate="2013-08-21T00:33:55.960" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2902" PostId="655" Score="6" Text="If the suspension is due to outrageous disruptive behavior, I am not sure it makes sense to wait for such behavior to happen here as well before doing anything. (You can replace &quot;outrageous disruptive behavior&quot; with whatever you prefer, I will not be elaborating on this for now.)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T00:59:08.983" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2903" PostId="655" Score="3" Text="@AndresCaicedo First, leaves open the question who decides this 'if'. And, I see no reason for some special treatement of math.SE and MO. Perhaps, if somebody is suspended on cstheory they will move here too. So, do we decide this too. Maybe from scientific computing, maybe from the statistics site. Maybe if on SO, they will move to the numerous other programming related sites or vice-versa. Is such an agreement in place anywhere?  (There is something like a network-wide ban, if the math.SE mods think this is reasonable they could suggest it. But also this is none of our business here.)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T01:28:32.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2904" PostId="655" Score="3" Text="@quid: I don't agree that MSE and MO should always be viewed the same way as any other pair of SE sites.  They're both explicitly about the same topic." CreationDate="2013-08-21T01:34:05.117" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="2905" PostId="655" Score="1" Text="@MichaelZieve me neither. I did not name 'any othe pair' but gave quite specific examples. There are various cases on the SE-network where one site's on-topic is more or less a proper subset of the other site's, as is the case for MO and math.SE, such as cstheory and cs, ask different and super user, or *many* programming related sites that seems essentially SO spin-off then somewhat broadened. (Or, why does the subject even matter so much, what if an MO users gets suspended on tex.SE for &quot;outrageous disruptive behavior&quot; to use A.C. term, one might say it won't depend on the subject.)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T01:49:02.447" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2906" PostId="655" Score="0" Text="@MichaelZieve, I suggest splitting up into more sentences: &quot;When an MSE account is temporarily suspended to cool down, then the expected outcome is that the user would start doing the same things on MO which led to the MSE suspension. It seems strange to sit by and wait for this to happen.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-21T01:53:54.663" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2907" PostId="655" Score="2" Text="@Will Jagy, thanks for the suggestion, I edited along those lines." CreationDate="2013-08-21T02:01:24.317" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="2917" PostId="655" Score="2" Text="I guess the OP was inspired by [this thread](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/139942/the-biquadratic-character-of-2-mod-p-for-a-prime-of-the-form-p-4n1) I opened.&#xA;If you are interested, you can read my recent activities in MSE.meta and guess why I was suspended.&#xA;I wrote the list of the relevant threads of MSE in the above thread at the request of an MO moderator." CreationDate="2013-08-21T06:07:56.993" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="3932" PostId="655" Score="3" Text="Moderator Private Message&#xA;Hello,&#xA;I'm writing in reference to your MathOverflow account:&#xA;http://mathoverflow.net/users/37646/makoto-kato&#xA;We've noticed that you have a pattern of engaging in lengthy discussions in comments, frequently consisting of responses involving multiple, back-to-back posts. Extensive comment threads tend to be a distraction for other readers.&#xA;In view of precedents on math.stackexchange.com, we are immediately suspending your account for a few days.&#xA;Regards,&#xA;Francois G. Dorais&#xA;MathOverflow moderator" CreationDate="2013-09-23T02:59:13.437" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="3933" PostId="655" Score="1" Text="[We've noticed that you have a pattern of engaging in lengthy discussions in comments, frequently consisting of responses involving multiple, back-to-back posts.]&#xA;&#xA;I have no idea what he is talkng about." CreationDate="2013-09-23T03:03:51.473" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="2910" PostId="656" Score="7" Text="Could we take the approach whereby the mods here are light on the trigger, given that the person already has a reputation for suspension-worthy behaviour? I mean in a case where a generic person gets a warning, the MSE-suspended person skips that step." CreationDate="2013-08-21T03:25:32.353" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="2911" PostId="656" Score="7" Text="We're pretty much taking this approach, and talking to the M.SE mods to get some background. The wheels of moderation may move slowly, but we're not afraid of being pre-emptive when appropriate." CreationDate="2013-08-21T04:11:04.250" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2912" PostId="656" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts I have been rewatching *Yes, Minister*, which contains several fine examples of what hypothetical Principal Private Secretaries might tell hypothetical Permanent Secretaries about what hypothetical Department Ministers do not wish their Permanent Secretaries to know..." CreationDate="2013-08-21T04:17:24.690" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="4632" PostId="656" Score="0" Text="@Scott: Now you don't have to talk to the MSE moderators anymore. You can talk to one of the MO moderators instead. ;-)" CreationDate="2013-10-17T10:43:48.490" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="2918" PostId="661" Score="0" Text="I know, quid - I was one of the people who did a bit of the first case a little too enthusiastically at first. There are definitely some poor questions there, but the two examples I gave are actually very interesting questions with good answers, so I guess there are others." CreationDate="2013-08-21T06:27:24.267" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="2919" PostId="661" Score="2" Text="I did not mean the two question you linked to with the poor questions, but I meant your remark that some should have this tag, which can basically only be true for a poor question, else there ought to be some better tag and if not one should create one. Also, I assumed you were aware of the two use-cases, but since I wrote an answer I thought I recall it for those that might not. But in view of the untagged thing now present I really think this could be a good moment to start the clean-up. (Personally I will not help much, since I have a long list of other retags I want to do.)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T06:41:03.330" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2944" PostId="661" Score="0" Text="ok, I understand you now." CreationDate="2013-08-21T22:16:43.397" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="2949" PostId="661" Score="0" Text="Good. I have to admit I was not very clear. A point I think I blurred in my answer a bit too much is that I think regarding this clean-up in my mind one should not consider the tag-removed as something that should be removed from good questions as an end in itself (as it makes them somehow 'look bad'). But rather that (at least the first) goal should be to get those good question that are poorly tagged at the moment properly tagged (the most extreme scenario being only tag-removed, but there are some, meanwhile I looked a bit, with it and a very general one." CreationDate="2013-08-21T23:01:37.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2922" PostId="662" Score="2" Text="So if now one person joins the room it will be empty :-)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T07:16:09.357" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2925" PostId="663" Score="7" Text="Put a link to your homepage on your user profile and then people can email you if they want to get in contact privately." CreationDate="2013-08-21T13:58:51.530" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="2927" PostId="663" Score="3" Text="That would work only if I wanted to add MO mail to my already cluttered inbox or if I wanted to set up one more &quot;left&quot; e-mail account (neither of which is the case). It also doesn't solve the problem if it is I who wants to start the communication or if I prefer to separate my MO identity from my other ones (even if some people here know me outside the web). The AoPS system makes the exchange easy by means of creating a private thread for two or more people where all the history can be viewed in one click. Besides, have you ever tried to send or to read an e-mail that is heavily $\LaTeX$-ed?" CreationDate="2013-08-21T14:12:05.607" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="2931" PostId="663" Score="3" Text="For messages and conversations that don't have to be private, chat is a useful substitute. You can invite other users into a chat room you created to discuss some issue." CreationDate="2013-08-21T17:27:12.683" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="2958" PostId="663" Score="5" Text="It seems a bit orthogonal to what MathOverflow is trying to achieve, and I'm with Noah in thinking that email has solved this problem pretty well." CreationDate="2013-08-22T01:36:31.440" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3068" PostId="663" Score="3" Text="meta.SO: [Any way to send a personal message to another user?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/431/183484) It is tagged as [meta-tag:status-declined]." CreationDate="2013-08-24T06:39:59.387" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3071" PostId="663" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison: could you expand a little bit on why it is orthogonal to what MO is trying to achieve?" CreationDate="2013-08-24T09:31:16.093" UserId="745" />
  <row Id="3177" PostId="663" Score="3" Text="MathOverflow is trying to be a good place to get research questions answered (and, in order to make that happen, to be a enjoyable experience for people who like answering such questions), and secondarily to be a resource recording mathematical discussions that might usually be ephemeral. I just don't see re-implementing email or something like it as having much to do with those goals." CreationDate="2013-08-27T11:05:35.157" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="27625" PostId="663" Score="0" Text="Additionally, you can still use [chat]  but that's not private, just less-visible than the regular Q&amp;A.   There's a comment magic-word of   `[ chat ]`   to get that link" CreationDate="2022-08-31T22:43:21.737" UserId="490495" />
  <row Id="2923" PostId="665" Score="0" Text="Yes, I fixed it myself, but this type of meta request is the better way to get this done." CreationDate="2013-08-21T13:20:09.117" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2924" PostId="665" Score="0" Text="@François, then why didn't you let me do it this way?" CreationDate="2013-08-21T13:28:29.433" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2926" PostId="665" Score="0" Text="Most users are not as responsive as you are!" CreationDate="2013-08-21T14:10:46.450" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2928" PostId="665" Score="4" Text="As I mentioned before, I believe undeleting the other answers deleted by the same user would be a benefit to the community, and the moderators could just do it without waiting for 10K+ people to chance upon them and start a request." CreationDate="2013-08-21T14:31:22.530" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2929" PostId="665" Score="1" Text="@Andres: You can make a request for that too. The idea is that this kind of action needs to be appropriately documented." CreationDate="2013-08-21T15:01:35.120" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2930" PostId="665" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais You mean: Even though you are already aware of it (and my comments on the matter can be seen as a formal request), you still need that I write a new thread for it, and have quid comment on it, and all that?" CreationDate="2013-08-21T15:06:53.290" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2932" PostId="665" Score="0" Text="@AndresCaicedo I think I recently commented on this subject already. However, if you like I certainly can repeat and expand on it (the situation slightlly changed, but I hope only temporarily). I am all flattered you consider my input that significant. :-)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T17:30:33.547" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2933" PostId="665" Score="1" Text="@Andres: Yes, the goal is to have clear and visible community support for such a drastic action." CreationDate="2013-08-21T19:31:06.163" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="2934" PostId="665" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, my sense at the time, which caught me by surprise, was that FJ was deleting answers that had not been accepted. At this point I cannot really document that impression. However, my guess is that the whole thing will be alright with FJ, given that I have now accepted the answer, only three years late." CreationDate="2013-08-21T19:53:32.593" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2935" PostId="665" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais [Done](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/668/6085)." CreationDate="2013-08-21T19:59:40.653" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="2955" PostId="667" Score="0" Text="Ordinarily, I would flag this as &quot;Not an answer&quot;, but as it occurs to me that I didn't actually ask a question.... So I'll accept your non-answer to my non-question, and we should all be happy." CreationDate="2013-08-22T00:32:57.087" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="2959" PostId="667" Score="0" Text="@Gerry, there is an early point in the movie &quot;Red&quot; where Bruce Willis says to Mary Louise Parker &quot;I try not to judge.&quot; I think this is wisdom. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1245526/" CreationDate="2013-08-22T02:46:58.707" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="2937" PostId="668" Score="1" Text="IIRC some deletitions happened considerable time before this user decided to (temmprorarily) leave the site. This does not directly contradict what you say but &quot;deleted several of their answers before their departure&quot; could be misinterpreted that all deletions happen briefly before the departure (after the decision for departure), which changes the situation quite a bit, in my opinion. Or do you only talk about a subset of their deleted answers?" CreationDate="2013-08-21T20:20:54.977" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2938" PostId="668" Score="1" Text="One more technical point then I will leave this for a while: first you say &quot; deleted several of their answers&quot; then &quot;I request that the moderators undelete these questions&quot; are you actually talking about answers or questions or both?" CreationDate="2013-08-21T20:40:00.257" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2936" PostId="669" Score="0" Text="Do you intend to ask what should be done too? You do not in this question." CreationDate="2013-08-21T20:15:08.957" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2957" PostId="672" Score="5" Text="Since nobody has answered the question for a year in MSE, I think it's not obvious that it's not of research level." CreationDate="2013-08-22T00:37:50.013" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="2975" PostId="672" Score="5" Text="Makoto Kato: if you would sincerely like to hear why people think your question is not research level, then you should ask this in a different way.  The way you have asked it is presumptuous and aggressive, and does not invite reasoned discourse." CreationDate="2013-08-22T20:15:48.923" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="2976" PostId="672" Score="0" Text="@MichaelZieve I deleted the FLT part. I hope you agree with my edit." CreationDate="2013-08-22T20:23:28.050" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="2978" PostId="672" Score="5" Text="Now the question is much better." CreationDate="2013-08-22T20:31:56.363" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="3024" PostId="672" Score="2" Text="I just added a comment to the question sketching an answer. This is perhaps a tricky exercise in algebra, which requires knowing about real fields, but is not a research question." CreationDate="2013-08-23T13:34:53.370" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="3042" PostId="672" Score="0" Text="@FelipeVoloch I edited the question." CreationDate="2013-08-23T17:43:03.350" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="2956" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="If you think it's not OK, could you explain why?" CreationDate="2013-08-22T00:34:48.500" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="2962" PostId="673" Score="4" Text="I don't know why people are downvoting *this* question.  It seems perfectly reasonable.  Are people downvoting because they believe the answer is &quot;no&quot;?  I hope not - that would be an inappropriate use of a downvote." CreationDate="2013-08-22T12:25:33.493" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="2963" PostId="673" Score="4" Text="@TomLeinster Given that the tone (and the context) suggests that the OP thinks this is alright, a downvote naturally expresses disagreement with that, which makes it a perfectly legitimate reason for downvoting. On the other hand, they might well be expressing disagreement with opening a thread to ask this, since it seems clear that the OP is looking for justification for opening the other thread (especially given past behavior on MSE)." CreationDate="2013-08-22T13:27:52.890" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="2966" PostId="673" Score="5" Text="Thanks for the explanation, Tobias, but I still disagree with that use of a downvote.  What I see is a straight, reasonable question.  In fact, I think it's a *good* question, as it clarifies what meta is for.  It seems that there's some history that might make readers assume certain motives behind the question, and maybe they'd even be right in their assumptions.  But still, I think one should vote for a question/answer based purely on its quality, not on the person asking it." CreationDate="2013-08-22T14:51:13.517" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="2972" PostId="673" Score="9" Text="@TomLeinster: I highly recommend you take a look through the OPs behavior on MSE before reaching that conclusion.  I'm not sure if downvoting is exactly the right response, but we should not be encouraging the OP behaving in this way (asking questions which appear reasonable but only because he's intentionally missing the point of what he did wrong in another thread)." CreationDate="2013-08-22T19:02:31.227" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="2973" PostId="673" Score="2" Text="@NoahSnyder whether it is the right response or not might depend on ones goal. I wish only a tiny fraction of the efforts put into analysing OP's &quot;hidden&quot; intentions would be put into analysing the behavior of some (not you, as far as I can tell) towards OP." CreationDate="2013-08-22T19:15:56.887" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2980" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="@WillJagy By the way, I tend to think one can remove p-adic methods from the Iyanaga's book." CreationDate="2013-08-22T21:46:35.343" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="3001" PostId="676" Score="1" Text="Seems to work now" CreationDate="2013-08-23T04:15:47.573" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3012" PostId="676" Score="0" Text="The links posted during the 'gap' may have to wait until we have a database dump. I updated my scripts so that they should have been able to go back and fill in the gap, but I hit throttling limits on the Stack Exchange API. I'll try again tomorrow, being a bit more careful, and otherwise wait til we have a dump." CreationDate="2013-08-23T11:30:59.597" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6905" PostId="676" Score="0" Text="I just noticed that arxiv trackbacks are not generated for links posted in comments (e.g. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/52585/on-a-schoolchild-puzzle-of-v-i-arnold-re-toric-varieties#comment371799_52585 and http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.6659 ). Is this intended behavior?" CreationDate="2014-02-26T10:41:39.810" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="6906" PostId="676" Score="0" Text="@j.c., no, that's no intended behaviour. I'll look into it." CreationDate="2014-02-26T23:37:28.770" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6907" PostId="676" Score="1" Text="@j.c. I've fixed the bug (the filter I was using on the Stack Exchange API was omitting all the comments on questions). Going forward the script should catch everything. I'm trying to re-run the script over the old stuff now." CreationDate="2014-02-27T03:27:19.480" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7108" PostId="676" Score="0" Text="Thanks! It seems the old stuff hasn't all been caught yet (e.g. my previous example, among others). Are the trackbacks just being spaced out?" CreationDate="2014-03-15T13:40:24.930" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="7112" PostId="676" Score="0" Text="No, nothing is happening at the moment in terms of collecting missed trackbacks. Someone (me)? Will have to write something so the new trackback script knows how to go through a database dump." CreationDate="2014-03-15T21:06:23.530" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13027" PostId="676" Score="0" Text="It seems that new links posted in comments are not generating trackbacks anymore.  http://mathoverflow.net/a/199429 and http://arxiv.org/abs/1505.02323 ." CreationDate="2016-05-01T18:54:29.527" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="13030" PostId="676" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the note. I will look into this. I recently fixed the script to pick up the new, longer, identifiers, but perhaps I broke something at the same time." CreationDate="2016-05-02T21:51:01.343" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13031" PostId="676" Score="1" Text="@j.c., I'm not quite sure what happened. Everything seems in order! I'm again re-running it over all the old stuff. If you see any more examples, please let me know." CreationDate="2016-05-03T01:00:46.050" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="2977" PostId="677" Score="1" Text="I think asking the reason itself can be regarded as a complaint. Not that I don't understand what your are trying to say, though." CreationDate="2013-08-22T20:31:37.273" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="2965" PostId="678" Score="0" Text="@Q.W.: Are you András Bátkai? If so, then I think your comment &quot;it is good if you indicate where you got struck&quot; is highly misleading. It suggests that a student should be able to work it out, and that we can't guess what the difficult part is. If the question were to count the streaks of length $M$, that would fit. It doesn't fit the question of what the probability is. This is not the first time you have made such a comment leading to a combinatorics question being closed. http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1591/another-possible-premature-closure-probability-calculation/" CreationDate="2013-08-22T14:04:04.797" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="2967" PostId="678" Score="1" Text="Sorry, I was at a public computer and did not want to use my password. Here my comment repeated:  &#xA;I made my comment not because this is easy, but a rather old and well-investigated question. If the question lists the classical literature and ask for recent developments, then it is perfectly legitimate. But the OP did not do that." CreationDate="2013-08-22T15:58:59.107" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="2968" PostId="678" Score="1" Text="I made a comment because I thought the question was not suitable (not because I thought it was easy). I hope if other people think differently, they also comment on the question and also on my comment. I do not believe that those who voted are irresponsible and act just because I bade a small comment. I am that an important person..." CreationDate="2013-08-22T16:03:28.467" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="2969" PostId="678" Score="2" Text="I still think that the question, as it is, not suitable because of its wording and because it seems the OP is not aware of the classical literature. But you can make it an interesting question. Feel free to edit and make it a good question!" CreationDate="2013-08-22T16:04:50.567" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="2985" PostId="678" Score="3" Text="I clicked on the names of the people who voted to close. I believe not one of them had &quot;combinatorics&quot; as one of their top 10 tags. The fifth voter had &quot;probability&quot; as tag number 10, but I think the others didn't have probability in their top 10 tags. Does it tell you anything that the many people who do seem to specialize in the area of the problem who can vote to close were not the ones voting to close? I think people who did not fully understand the problem dismissed it as an exercise, just like in the previous example. Please avoid doing that." CreationDate="2013-08-23T00:04:24.613" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="3007" PostId="678" Score="0" Text="you should discuss this with those who vote. And you should edit questions to become better if you think the question is important and if the asker is not on the level. You are sure he or she understands the comments and answers? I really hope I am mistaken." CreationDate="2013-08-23T07:29:58.473" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="3008" PostId="678" Score="1" Text="You keep saying I should talk to the people who vote to close instead of to you. (You said the same thing last time, too.) I hope they read this discussion, too, but I would like you to stop declaring combinatorics problems to be exercises which combinatoricists say are not exercises. Telling people their reasonable questions should be closed is unfriendly and misleading to them and to the people who trust you and vote to close. It wastes the time of other people like me who take the trouble to reopen a question which should not have been closed. Please stop." CreationDate="2013-08-23T08:17:33.630" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="3009" PostId="678" Score="2" Text="And you keep saying I declare these problems to be exercises. I do not." CreationDate="2013-08-23T08:44:10.867" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="3011" PostId="678" Score="2" Text="You said, &quot;As it stands, it is a (maybe) hard exercise.&quot; That is a direct quote from you. http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1591/another-possible-premature-closure-probability-calculation/ You also said, &quot;indicate what you already know and where your problem lies so that people can help you&quot; and &quot;indicate where you got struck, what exactly the problem is. It is easier to explain then, and the answerers can address your problems.&quot; These say the combinatorics problems are exercises. Please stop doing this unless you are sure the problems really are exercises." CreationDate="2013-08-23T11:04:01.463" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="3059" PostId="678" Score="2" Text="I do not really want to get involved in this discussion (a second time). But I think that the word *excercise* is used in various different ways in this conversation. And what as far as I understand @AndrásBátkai *meant* with  the sentence quoted by Douglas Zare, and in that context this was pretty clear, at least to me, is that that other question was *presented like* an excercise (without any context or motivation), which is something other than saying it is an excercise." CreationDate="2013-08-23T19:28:30.497" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="2981" PostId="680" Score="1" Text="The question makes sense. Please read my last comment to Yemon Choi in [the thread](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/139975/positivity-of-the-norm-of-an-element-of-a-cyclotomic-field).&#xA;No, I don't know the answer to my question.&#xA;If you know it, could you answer it in MSE?" CreationDate="2013-08-22T23:30:22.913" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="2993" PostId="680" Score="2" Text="@MakotoKato: Noah is saying the question doesn't make sense because you didn't define what it means for a rational number to be positive.  Of course, everyone knows what it means for a real number to be positive, but the point of your question is to avoid mentioning real numbers.  So you need to say what definition you have in mind for positive rationals.  Also, Noah didn't say that you know the answer to your question, he said that you know a proof of the result in question." CreationDate="2013-08-23T01:21:10.023" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="2995" PostId="680" Score="2" Text="@MichaelZieve `[@MakotoKato: Noah is saying the question doesn't make sense because you didn't define what it means for a rational number to be positive. Of course, everyone knows what it means for a real number to be positive, but the point of your question is to avoid mentioning real numbers. So you need to say what definition you have in mind for positive rationals.]`&#xA;Let $r = a/b$ be a rational number where $a$ and $b$ are rational integers. If $a \gt 0$ and $b\gt 0$, we say $r$ is positive. Regards," CreationDate="2013-08-23T03:01:59.847" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="2996" PostId="680" Score="1" Text="And how do you define positivity of an integer?" CreationDate="2013-08-23T03:15:28.980" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="2997" PostId="680" Score="5" Text="@MichaelZieve `[And how do you define positivity of an integer?]`&#xA;Natural numbers $1, 2, 3,\dots$ are exactly (strictly) positive integers." CreationDate="2013-08-23T03:21:49.743" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="3013" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="And if one wants to have something more formal one could define the *positive* integers as those integers that can be written as the sum of four squares of integers (not all of them 0)." CreationDate="2013-08-23T12:01:22.020" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3019" PostId="680" Score="3" Text="@quid: of course *you* can define positivity in many ways. I was trying to get MK to give a definition, since doing so would indicate what type of proof he sought.  Let me add that I don't understand the upvotes for MK's definition that an integer is positive if it is a positive integer." CreationDate="2013-08-23T12:25:18.310" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="3020" PostId="680" Score="1" Text="@MichaelZieve I only saw your other comment after having written mine. Regarding MK's definition I think it depends how one starts; as you know, a usual construction of the integers is as equivalence classes of pairs of natural numbers. And than one  imbeds the natural numbers. Then the natural number so to say 'existed' before the integers and the definition is not circular. (Or one could also say as usual 2 is shorthand for 1 + 1 and so on, then it also makes sense the positive one are thos that can be written as sums of 1, the mult identity of the domain 'integers')" CreationDate="2013-08-23T12:30:31.240" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3025" PostId="680" Score="5" Text="Oh, for heaven's sakes. *Of course* the question makes sense, because there is just one way to make the rationals into an ordered field. This fact is independent of whether or not the OP knows the formal details (and I think it would be more productive not to badger the OP over these, since he/she might not know them, but to help him/her by incorporating them into an answer). I am glad Michael Zieve gave a productive answer at MSE." CreationDate="2013-08-23T13:49:54.013" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3026" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="Fair enough.  Sorry I got carried away." CreationDate="2013-08-23T14:44:50.093" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="3031" PostId="680" Score="1" Text="But @ToddTrimble, Michael Zieve's answer at m.SE is saying exactly the same thing as my answer here: the original argument doesn't &quot;use the real numbers.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-23T15:45:03.793" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="3034" PostId="680" Score="2" Text="Noah, the original argument of Kato's did refer to complex conjugation (and hence the real numbers as fixed field). Michael's answer fleshed out what the OP needed, which involves precisely the fact that the fixed field of the automorphism that sends $\zeta$ to $\zeta^{-1}$ is formally real; for that one needs a total ordering on the fixed field. Your answer says nothing about any of that, and IMO was not helpful." CreationDate="2013-08-23T16:17:51.637" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3035" PostId="680" Score="1" Text="MK has now left a comment on the MO question, saying that as far as he is concerned &quot; A real closure of Q is isomorphic to the field of real algebraic numbers. Hence the proof using it is basically the same as stated in the question.&quot; So would those who think it is &quot;obvious&quot; what the OP meant in his question, but who think that Felipe Voloch's argument answers the question, please enlighten me as to what is going on?" CreationDate="2013-08-23T16:22:59.670" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3037" PostId="680" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi It's not obvious to me why Felipe's argument wouldn't count as &quot;purely algebraic&quot;, but it's possible that MK doesn't think it's pure enough since the theory of real closed fields uses Zorn's lemma at places, whereas this result ought to be explicable purely in terms of finite-dimensional extensions of $\mathbb{Q}$." CreationDate="2013-08-23T16:32:14.483" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3038" PostId="680" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble OK, in that case I agree with your reading (on both counts). My point was: if MK is dissatisfied with the &quot;obvious&quot; interpretation of his question, then maybe, just **maybe**, it wasn't that well posed in the first place. (I like my circulant formulation better, but then I'm far from unbiased.) I also find the attitude displayed by &quot;no one wanted to answer my question on MSE, so it must be research-level in the sense of MO&quot;, rather trying - see an earlier version of this meta.MO question which invoked FLT" CreationDate="2013-08-23T16:36:47.420" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3039" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="@MichaelZieve `[@quid: of course you can define positivity in many ways. I was trying to get MK to give a definition, since doing so would indicate what type of proof he sought. Let me add that I don't understand the upvotes for MK's definition that an integer is positive if it is a positive integer.]`&#xA;&#xA;I said an integer is positive if and only if it is a natural number.&#xA;Could you explain why this definition does not make sense if that is what you are claiming?" CreationDate="2013-08-23T17:15:45.593" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="3040" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: But obviously he just meant &quot;complex conjugation&quot; as a shorthand for the $\zeta \mapsto \zeta^{-1}$ automorphism of K/L (as in MZ's answer) just like he meant the norm to be defined using the obvious reinterpretation which doesn't refer to complex numbers (rather than the definition he actually used)." CreationDate="2013-08-23T17:17:35.580" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="3052" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="Noah: how &quot;obvious&quot; all this was to him is hard to say, but it seems he wanted to get at a proof of the positivity without availing himself of the real number field, and this is where Michael's answer (outlining a proof of orderability of $L$) presumably fulfills something that had been missing for him." CreationDate="2013-08-23T19:07:19.817" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3053" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble `[This fact is independent of whether or not the OP knows the formal details (and I think it would be more productive not to badger the OP over these, since he/she might not know them, but to help him/her by incorporating them into an answer).]`&#xA;&#xA;Just in case you are wondering, I'm male.&#xA;I opened [a meta thread](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/10678/a-feature-requestgender-in-a-members-profile-page) in MSE about this problem." CreationDate="2013-08-23T19:07:24.180" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="3056" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I know the basics of ordered fields written , for example, in Bourbaki." CreationDate="2013-08-23T19:13:12.237" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="3057" PostId="680" Score="5" Text="@YemonChoi Agreed, definitely not research level, and definitely a better fit for MSE than MO (all the more so if less than perfectly posed)." CreationDate="2013-08-23T19:14:24.573" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3058" PostId="680" Score="3" Text="@MakotoKato Well, if you already understand all this, I now join the rest in wondering what the problem is. Did Michael Zieve answer your query satisfactorily at MSE?" CreationDate="2013-08-23T19:17:42.007" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3062" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble `[@MakotoKato Well, if you already understand all this, I now join the rest in wondering what the problem is. Did Michael Zieve answer your query satisfactorily at MSE?]`&#xA;&#xA;I edited my question to make it clearer.&#xA;I'm not sure Michael Zieve's answer at MSE is finite in nature.&#xA;Please don't think that I edited it to evade his answer. The edited version is what I had originally in my mind." CreationDate="2013-08-23T20:15:03.410" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="2988" PostId="683" Score="6" Text="Why do we need a length limit?" CreationDate="2013-08-23T00:21:49.140" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3000" PostId="683" Score="3" Text="@AndresCaicedo Well, part of me fears questions tagged approximate-ultra-character-amenability (this term has not yet entered the literature, but given the state of refereeing of my corner of the literature it can only be a matter of time)" CreationDate="2013-08-23T04:11:54.450" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3028" PostId="683" Score="1" Text="Why not use high level tags with modifiers? For instance, the second two examples could be dg.synthetic and nt.computational" CreationDate="2013-08-23T15:29:33.437" UserId="22447" />
  <row Id="3060" PostId="683" Score="2" Text="@PhilipvanReeuwijk on the one hand I like the idea, on the other hand I am *extremely* hesitant to introduce anything in the tag-system that is not very self-explanatory; the prefixed top-level tags already create confusion. Also it could be bad for searching or at least for search engines (and then as a consequence for people searching)." CreationDate="2013-08-23T19:35:57.760" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3063" PostId="683" Score="0" Text="@quid: I think a well-organized tree structure on tags would actually increase searchability (for humans; ample tag descriptions would hopefully take care of computer searches). Of course, I agree that enforcing consistent use of these multi-level tags could be problematic, let alone the feasibility of a complete tag overhaul... On the other hand, lots of very long, very specific tags without any organization like Yemon warns about aren't a great prospect either." CreationDate="2013-08-23T20:34:25.813" UserId="22447" />
  <row Id="3064" PostId="683" Score="0" Text="@PhilipvanReeuwijk yes I think there is not much disagreement between you an me. As I do not want to populate this comment thread with my general remarks on tagging I write some things in a rough way in the chat romm for editing and tagging http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/mo-editors-lounge" CreationDate="2013-08-23T21:33:59.223" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3479" PostId="683" Score="0" Text="I am a little surprised by the first two tags listed by Ricardo, since I know that DGA and SDG are entirely standard and instantly recognized abbreviations." CreationDate="2013-09-05T11:02:01.543" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3502" PostId="683" Score="5" Text="@ToddTrimble &quot;instantly recognized abbreviations&quot; I will admit my ignorance...I did not reread the post before reading your comment and then scrolled back to check what SDG means. (Now, this is far far away from the things I know about, and since we now have tag-wikis it could be alright to be a bit more generous with abreviations. Still, and in particular for tag-searching and suggestions, in general I think it is an advantage to have'full tag names'.)" CreationDate="2013-09-05T21:09:14.757" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3016" PostId="687" Score="3" Text="My point was to get Makoto Kato to think about what ingredients he was allowing to be used in such a proof.  For instance, is it legal to extend the total ordering on $\mathbf{Q}$ to a total ordering on the subfield $\mathbf{Q}(\alpha+1/\alpha)$ of your field $K$, by defining the value of $\alpha+1/\alpha$ to be less than a rational number $b$ if and only if $b$ is greater than all rational numbers which are smaller than all positive rational numbers $c$ for which $f(c)&gt;0$, where $f$ is the minimal polynomial of $\alpha+1/\alpha$?  Of course I'm just saying that you can describe the relevant" CreationDate="2013-08-23T12:15:53.740" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="3017" PostId="687" Score="2" Text="real numbers via Dedekind cuts, and then the original proof becomes a proof which only mentions rationals. Is that legal?" CreationDate="2013-08-23T12:16:49.730" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="3018" PostId="687" Score="1" Text="@MichaelZieve I agree that questions asking for proofs that seek to avoid one thing or other are always a bit tricky, since it is hard to know what should actually be avoided. But then I rather agree with Dan Petersen that I think what seems asked for here seems relatively tranparent. Namely, there is a product prod f(X^i) one knows this is (the class of) a positive rational, *but* can one (how can one) see this 'directly'; say, expanding the product, collecting terms, observing certain terms are 0 and only soething rational and positive remains. It seems reasonable to wonder about this." CreationDate="2013-08-23T12:25:16.577" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3021" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="@quid In a comment to his m.SE post, MK said &quot;I'm just asking a proof using only elementary properties of $\mathbb{Q}$&quot;.  I maintain that Dedekind cuts provide such a proof, and hence answer MK's question on his terms.  Your version of the question is more interesting." CreationDate="2013-08-23T12:39:25.917" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="3022" PostId="687" Score="1" Text="I think quid's &quot;version of the question&quot; is pretty clearly just a restatement of the question as it was intended." CreationDate="2013-08-23T12:55:49.990" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="3029" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="@quid: What do you mean by &quot;direct&quot;?  The proof in the original argument is pretty direct (just group terms in complex conjugate pairs)." CreationDate="2013-08-23T15:36:48.597" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="3032" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="@DanPeterson: Of course, I know that the statement doesn't require referring to the real numbers. We're not disagreeing about the statement, we're disagreeing about whether the obvious proof &quot;uses the real numbers.&quot;  In particular, I don't see how your answer &quot;disagrees&quot; with mine." CreationDate="2013-08-23T15:47:51.117" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="3033" PostId="687" Score="1" Text="I much prefer Dan Petersen's reformulation of the question, which enables people like me who did take an alg NT course but haven't thought about these things for over 10 years to understand what one is after. (For that matter, it seems to me that you could formulate the question in terms of determinants of circulant matrices with rational entries, and ask for a proof that avoids diagonalizability.)" CreationDate="2013-08-23T16:15:08.703" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3043" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="@MichaelZieve I edited the question." CreationDate="2013-08-23T17:48:58.923" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="3044" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: could you explain how to formulate this in terms of determinants of circulant matrices?  That sounds interesting." CreationDate="2013-08-23T17:50:04.230" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="3046" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="@MichaelZieve I guess this would be something for &quot;chat&quot; but I've never used that functionality, do you know how to do it?" CreationDate="2013-08-23T18:13:22.630" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3048" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="@NoahSnyder what I meant by &quot;direct&quot; is using as little 'theory' as possible (or developping it in the process). Say, suppose you want to convince somebody that essentially only knows rational polynomials that the following is true: let $f(X)$ be any rational polynomial (of degree at most $p-2$). Then $\prod_{i=1}^{p-1} f(X^i)= r + g(X)(1+ \dots + X^{p-1})$ for some rational polynomial $g$ and $r$ a positive rational. How do you proceed?" CreationDate="2013-08-23T18:25:05.490" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3049" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="For  $p=3$ one simply says let $f(X)= a_0 + a_1 X$ then the product is (up to errors in caluclation) $a_0^2 + a_1^2 -a_0a_1 + (-a_1^2+a_0a_1 + a_1^2X)(1+ X+ X^2)$. And $a_0^2 + a_1^2 -a_0a_1$ is also easily seen to be positive. Is there a general argument along these lines." CreationDate="2013-08-23T18:25:23.227" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3050" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi re chat, click on 'chat' at the top of this page (or on main). If you never did it so far you likely have to login on the page where you arrive. (Same login as here.) Then click on some room,  MathOverflow the general one seems the obvious choice. Then just type things in the box at the bottom of the page an click send [or press 'enter'] (works basically like comments). Or create a room clicking on tab 'mine' and 'create room'." CreationDate="2013-08-23T18:29:51.773" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3055" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="I edited the question to make it clearer." CreationDate="2013-08-23T19:10:02.300" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="3100" PostId="691" Score="8" Text="I don't see how this qualifies as an answer to the question. It's not research inspired by something on MathOverflow; it's not a citation of MathOverflow; it's not an open problem solved on MathOverflow." CreationDate="2013-08-26T00:23:01.977" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="3947" PostId="691" Score="33" Text="It's a success story, isn't it?" CreationDate="2013-09-23T15:11:22.607" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="3080" PostId="692" Score="1" Text="There was a kid on MSE, I gave a hint I felt was enough, then there were a half dozen comments of the &quot;Answer my question!&quot; variety. Certainly I disliked that. I had not really expected that would be the effect on MO, where questions are not primarily homework; but I suppose the potential is there." CreationDate="2013-08-25T20:28:15.660" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="3135" PostId="692" Score="1" Text="@WillJagy I don't really think it's an issue here, either, but I don't really see the need for it, either." CreationDate="2013-08-26T12:43:19.743" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="3136" PostId="692" Score="0" Text="On the Stack Exchange side, on the other hand, developing such a system specifically for MO is hard and tantamount to developing that capability for all SE sites, which I can understand them being reluctant about." CreationDate="2013-08-26T12:44:32.043" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="15884" PostId="693" Score="1" Text="I will add at least in a comment [eudml link](https://eudml.org/doc/283022) and [arXiv link](https://arxiv.org/abs/1110.6552v3) - simply because the paper (or the preprint) is accessible here without needing any type of subscription." CreationDate="2018-01-21T10:59:06.737" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15885" PostId="693" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I added the link." CreationDate="2018-01-21T13:02:05.583" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="4084" PostId="694" Score="6" Text="In turn, that answer (and the methods in the paper) will be used by Subhro Ghosh and I in a forthcoming work, which we hope to post soon." CreationDate="2013-09-28T19:50:45.583" UserId="35520" />
  <row Id="3081" PostId="697" Score="7" Text="Well -- my guess is that answers which many people can understand and verify quickly are upvoted more likely in general. Unless they are too easy, of course." CreationDate="2013-08-25T21:54:34.807" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3082" PostId="697" Score="11" Text="It is not pure laziness. Relatively standard answers are also understood by more. (And, for in some sense good reasons, not few I think rather hesitate to upvote things the do not understand.) But what you refer to as laziness also plays some role I think. I even believe that it is relevant if an answer is short enough so that on a typical display the voting arrows are still visible at the end of the question. Welcome to MO, this is how it works. :-) [On the positive side, it averages out a bit over time.]" CreationDate="2013-08-25T21:57:12.820" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3083" PostId="697" Score="12" Text="There are many facets to what you are observing and the facet you're explicitly pointing out is not the prevalent one. Here is another one: generalist answers that any mathematician can understand get more upvotes than technical answers for specialists." CreationDate="2013-08-25T21:58:55.080" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3107" PostId="697" Score="1" Text="I think I've found an answer that may have prompted Joseph's post, but I am a bit hesitant to link to it since this question is perhaps intended to be general rather than specific. That said, I'm a bit puzzled by all the upvotes on that particular answer" CreationDate="2013-08-26T01:35:35.493" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3115" PostId="697" Score="3" Text="@Yemon, it is not difficult to find :) and I think the second comment on the answer explains the reason: it answers the question though not in a way that Joseph would like. If the OP of that question is assuming something extra as Joseph explains then it should be clarified in the question. ps: I think it is a good practice to give examples to support claims like the one that Joseph is making (unless there is good reason not to do so)." CreationDate="2013-08-26T08:50:31.820" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="3116" PostId="697" Score="1" Text="@Joseph, I don't think it is a problem even if users prefer short answers to longer answers. It is not bad quality for an answer to be shorter/simpler/more readable/more accessible." CreationDate="2013-08-26T08:55:56.360" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="3146" PostId="697" Score="2" Text="I agree with TL's sentiment in his comment under what I presume is the answer being referred to: the question was in fact flawed (and it's no good to say &quot;well obviously OP meant such-and-such class of spaces&quot; because maybe OP simply didn't think matters through). Whether the trivial counterexample is pointed out in a comment or in an answer is up to personal taste; one can sneer at the rampant upvoting but it doesn't seem right to me to punish what is in fact a correct answer to the question as stated. (Also: in MO.1 lingo, this meta post could be closed as &quot;subjective and argumentative&quot;)." CreationDate="2013-08-26T17:11:41.823" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3150" PostId="697" Score="4" Text="My guess is that for the particular case that we guess is under discussion the high number of upvotes for an answer that should have been a comment may have been exactly because the OP publicly downvoted it. There is a wide, but by no means universal, sentiment that downvoting answers should in general be reserved for answers that are flawed. The trivial answer was correct for the question the OP literally asked and it is not the fault of the answerer that the OP didn't ask the right question. So I suspect people upvoted the trivial answer for this reason. Nb. I didn't vote on this question." CreationDate="2013-08-26T19:55:00.533" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3158" PostId="697" Score="5" Text="[&quot;If you worry too much about voting patterns on this site, you will lose your sleep.&quot;](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/1722/)" CreationDate="2013-08-26T22:46:12.593" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="3267" PostId="697" Score="0" Text="It took me some time to realize that not everything follows mathematical rules in the world; winning a casting show doesn't guarantee success and, in some respect MO is a casting for mathematical questions." CreationDate="2013-08-28T18:58:29.050" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3121" PostId="699" Score="0" Text="Dear Amir, if you want to write an answer to the question, it is still left on math.SE: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/173775/ . I don't think the question has yet received a complete answer." CreationDate="2013-08-26T09:12:20.503" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="3124" PostId="699" Score="0" Text="@DanPetersen Dear Dan. Thanks for the link." CreationDate="2013-08-26T10:21:48.643" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="3109" PostId="702" Score="0" Text="(This request was formerly for the [tag:recreational] which was since renamed to [tag:recreational-mathematics].)" CreationDate="2013-08-26T02:39:38.027" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3119" PostId="702" Score="2" Text="I am a bit curious about the downvotes. The very definition of this tag pretty much makes any question tagged with it off-topic (after all, hard does not imply being of interest to research mathematicians). I would like to see the questions tagged with this which are interesting be redirected to MSE, where they are more clearly on topic." CreationDate="2013-08-26T09:11:21.293" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3126" PostId="702" Score="1" Text="@Tobias: Maybe you don't understand what the tag means: recreational mathematics is the application of mathematics to the design of games and puzzles." CreationDate="2013-08-26T12:03:01.927" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3149" PostId="702" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais In that case the tag is in desperate need of a wiki and tag excerpt, as that is not the meaning most people would associate with the term." CreationDate="2013-08-26T19:12:10.253" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3157" PostId="702" Score="7" Text="@Tobias Kildetoft. I disagree with both the main and the parenthesized parts of your second sentence. For me recreational math. is just everything that just doesn't fit into any &quot;big theory&quot; or &quot;grand scheme&quot;. 80% of Joseph O'Rourke's questions are like that (though he seldom uses this tag himself) and I'm not the only one enjoying his &quot;jeux de l'esprit&quot; here." CreationDate="2013-08-26T21:34:08.783" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3162" PostId="702" Score="0" Text="This reminds me of someone I met a few weeks ago who told me that he preferred his math to be boring and easy rather than exciting and challenging. *À chacun chacun son goût*..." CreationDate="2013-08-26T23:12:44.507" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3328" PostId="702" Score="1" Text="After the addition of the tag excerpt, I too agree that this tag should not be deleted (I can't change my vote without editing the answer, and I didn't feel like bumping this thread for it). @fedja Are you claiming that being hard does imply being of interest to research mathematicians? It is easy to come up with hard problems by taking some random collection of integer polynomials, adding one or more parameters and asking when integral solutions exist, but unless one does this carefully, I doubt people will find it interesting." CreationDate="2013-08-30T08:22:51.873" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3339" PostId="702" Score="1" Text="My meaning of &quot;hard problem&quot; is &quot;being hard+being a problem&quot; (the latter means that either someone else should be really interested in it, or it should have enough intrinsic beauty to attract me). I just oppose the default meaning of &quot;interesting&quot;, which nowadays seems to be &quot;fitting my field and motivated by something related to my research&quot;. As to &quot;*random* polynomials&quot;, if you pose it as &quot;Given a reasonable distribution on the set of polynomials, what is the probability that the random system of $n$ Diophantine equations has a solution?&quot;, I do not see why it is &quot;not interesting&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-30T11:18:42.503" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3101" PostId="705" Score="0" Text="Meanwhile, the link in a comment is outdated. The current version should be http://www.nieuwarchief.nl/serie5/pdf/naw5-2000-01-4-372.pdf" CreationDate="2013-08-26T00:34:22.730" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3448" PostId="706" Score="0" Text="Could I suggest not doing this for the really old ones if they have an accepted answer? Instead I would prefer to go through ones which are open, either with no answers, or with no answers that are satisfactory" CreationDate="2013-09-03T17:20:08.287" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3102" PostId="707" Score="3" Text="This is fine as it goes, but I think undeleting the original answer is even better." CreationDate="2013-08-26T00:38:49.090" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3103" PostId="707" Score="3" Text="I think it is more appropriate to have someone re-post an essentially equivalent answer.  Presumably the user wanted to delete their account for a reason, we might as well respect that.  I think such actions can help build trust among those suspicious of how we might use their contributions." CreationDate="2013-08-26T01:07:04.657" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="3104" PostId="707" Score="1" Text="An anonymous user, so no, I do not see that." CreationDate="2013-08-26T01:15:50.297" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3105" PostId="707" Score="4" Text="Anyway, once you post on the site, the content is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribute-ShareAlike license, so I am not quite in favor of one-sided deletion that actually decreases the usefulness of the site, or of tip-toeing about it and posting the content again as CW or somesuch. (But I may well be in the minority here, it is not something I plan to argue, in case quid shows up.)" CreationDate="2013-08-26T01:20:49.657" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3106" PostId="707" Score="5" Text="There's a big gap between doing what is legally required of yourself and in being considerate, nice and/or doing the right thing.  Anyhow I'm not trying to make a big point here either." CreationDate="2013-08-26T01:26:55.607" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="3108" PostId="707" Score="0" Text="+1 and echoing @RyanBudney's last comment, word for word." CreationDate="2013-08-26T01:42:24.697" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3110" PostId="707" Score="1" Text="@Ryan: No, the user deleted their content before deleting their account." CreationDate="2013-08-26T03:37:22.197" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3111" PostId="707" Score="2" Text="We've been through this, very recently. At the time, I re-posted an exactly equivalent answer (I simply did a cut'n'paste), and was advised by a moderator that it was better to vote for undeletion if I had that privilege, otherwise start a thread here on meta. See http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/665/undelete-request-question-23943" CreationDate="2013-08-26T04:30:32.567" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="3114" PostId="707" Score="4" Text="To avoid a potential misconception, I will add that the post was deleted about **a year** before the account was deleted. Deletion of this post and of the account seem unrelated." CreationDate="2013-08-26T07:50:12.663" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3112" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="Thank you!${}{}$" CreationDate="2013-08-26T07:31:51.637" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3143" PostId="715" Score="0" Text="I've been chided elsewhere for irrelevant/frivolous comments, but I couldn't resist the following link since &quot;Local MO&quot; *instinctively* reminded me of &quot;Local 24&quot; http://youtube.com/watch?v=EvsG67DYVLk Silliness aside, I'm slightly concerned: are the MO posts going to be generated automatically, and do we still have the power to close ones which are, erm, unsuitable?" CreationDate="2013-08-26T16:33:53.103" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3144" PostId="715" Score="3" Text="@Yemon: I was going for minimally invasive. MO won't change at all, but there will be a single MO question containing, as answers, links to the &quot;local MO&quot; sites...which will be taken care of by those who created them. The links to the local sites would be posted as usual by any MO user. Most likely a link to a local MO site would be posted by that site's creator. Nonsense sites of this kind will probably be violently downvoted..." CreationDate="2013-08-26T17:01:03.090" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3145" PostId="715" Score="0" Text="Also, the local 24 thing was funny...I hadn't seen that." CreationDate="2013-08-26T17:05:05.733" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3567" PostId="715" Score="2" Text="[Here](http://sbseminar.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/polymath-projects-on-stackexchangemathoverflow/) is an idea of Scott Morrison, 3 years ago !" CreationDate="2013-09-09T12:10:12.027" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="5503" PostId="715" Score="0" Text="suggest new proposal on [area51](http://area51.stackexchange.com/) for polymath type projects. all that is needed is critical mass of users. it can be helped by &quot;high profile&quot; or &quot;celebrity&quot; type endorsers. anyone game? put further discussion on [theory-salon chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9446/theory-salon)" CreationDate="2013-11-26T22:04:59.347" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="27458" PostId="715" Score="0" Text="Since the question was recently bumped to the front page (by an answer - [now deleted](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2022/7/2)), I will point out that the link to the plugin now redirect to the announcement with the title: &quot;Retiring Our Legacy Plugins&quot;." CreationDate="2022-07-07T12:08:43.450" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3163" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="Thank you François! I wasn't aware of the platforms you mentioned. These are very interesting ideas." CreationDate="2013-08-26T23:25:34.947" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3164" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="Regarding the other note: is there a link to the description of the position?" CreationDate="2013-08-26T23:26:57.233" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3165" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="@Jon: There is no official description, we're hoping the candidate will come with their vision for the position. (Unfortunately, this is an unpaid position though there are options for funding some projects.)" CreationDate="2013-08-26T23:35:09.437" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3167" PostId="719" Score="1" Text="Interesting. I hope the candidate has a sharp idea of how to interface MO in the way you describe above. A vision of a healthy online organism for collaborative mathematics with MO as one of its organs is a very promising vision to sharpen. Perhaps some ideas for how this might look could appear as comments to this question. If something manageable crystallizes, someone is bound to take it on." CreationDate="2013-08-26T23:40:55.660" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3169" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="Actually, it may be a good idea for someone to start a thread on meta to try to provide an initial sharpening of the community's vision for the broader role of MO. A discussion of some possible directions for branching out might provide focus that might draw someone into taking on the unfilled position. Just a thought." CreationDate="2013-08-27T00:00:04.703" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3170" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="In fact, if it is already clear how MO fits into the grand scheme of online mathematical collaboration, something in the FAQ might help stave off inappropriate questions for the forum and redirect such content to a better place. Is this already known?" CreationDate="2013-08-27T00:05:28.880" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3180" PostId="719" Score="1" Text="@JonBannon the FAQs since a long time contained (and contains) suggestions for other places than MO for certain content inappropriate here. Unfortunately, all too often they are ignored." CreationDate="2013-08-27T12:50:58.717" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3194" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="@quid: I should have been more specific with my comment. The FAQ should point to *specific* resources of quality commensurate with MO, complete with links to as many of these as possible, for other valid yet MO-unsuitable content." CreationDate="2013-08-27T15:08:20.973" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3197" PostId="719" Score="3" Text="@JonBannon this is impossible (or will be empty) as *of course* no other resource is of quality comensurate with MO ;-) But leaving this aside this is/was done to some extent, for example for open problems. See the relevant section of what question can I ask here in the help-center and my proposed rewrite http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/540/9072" CreationDate="2013-08-27T16:59:22.847" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3198" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="@quid: A valid point! (But I'm an MO groupie...) :)" CreationDate="2013-08-27T17:04:01.133" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3207" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="If the questions about collaborative works on open-problems are *almost* non-accepted on MO, and if there is no polymath-type site of quality commensurate with MO, then this issue has its purpose for creating all together here a site (or many sites) complementary to MO, for massive collaborative works on famous open-problems, of quality commensurate with MO." CreationDate="2013-08-27T19:11:25.157" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3279" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="@Francois: you give the impression of being sad about nobody coming forward with interest in a position that has seemingly never been publicly communicated.   That seems kind of odd.  Why not tell people about it?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T20:59:33.590" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="3281" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="@Ryan: We [did](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1599/mathoverflow-community-relations/) but then we realized we had no good place to put the announcement... Vicious circle? Nah, we could try harder... but none of us is any good at... Dang!" CreationDate="2013-08-28T21:04:25.803" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5505" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="disagree that polymath prjs cannot fit into stackexchange model somehow, think there is _very strong potential_ to use stackexchange software as a polymath type tool. but as a separate site, not inside math overflow" CreationDate="2013-11-26T22:16:19.257" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="27459" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="In case somebody is curious about the discussion linked in the above comment, while tea is down, it can still [be found in the Wayback Machine](http://web.archive.org/web/20151101113329/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1599/mathoverflow-community-relations/)." CreationDate="2022-07-07T12:12:03.140" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3151" PostId="720" Score="1" Text="Presently, gm.general-mathematics has no tag wiki, and at least to me it is not clear how to understand &quot;general mathematics&quot; -- maybe in the arXiv sense?" CreationDate="2013-08-26T20:00:52.900" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3159" PostId="720" Score="0" Text="Dear @Stefan: I too have little idea what the tag 'gm.general-mathematics' stands for. It feels a bit like a dumping ground for random questions. On the other hand, perhaps that just means we should collectively agree on a meaning..." CreationDate="2013-08-26T23:01:58.383" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3160" PostId="720" Score="4" Text="http://arxiv.org/archive/math : Mathematical material of general interest, topics not covered elsewhere" CreationDate="2013-08-26T23:04:16.913" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3161" PostId="720" Score="0" Text="Would it be more aptly renamed [tag:gm.general-interest]? (Topics not covered elsewhere doesn't make sense here.)" CreationDate="2013-08-26T23:07:12.347" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3175" PostId="720" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I think we should think twice before changing names away from arXiv names.// Also I think this one shoudl definitely be kept, except we change the top-level structure completely." CreationDate="2013-08-27T09:57:45.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3176" PostId="720" Score="0" Text="@quid: Our arxiv tags already don't match the names exactly because of character limits. There weren't many issues when we changed ca.classical-analysis to ca.analysis-and-odes." CreationDate="2013-08-27T10:10:08.120" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3178" PostId="720" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais perhaps I am sometimes a bit too worried. Still, I am not sure general interest is that much more intuitive. Also I disagree that topics not covered elsewhere doesn't make sense here. It makes almost as much sense as on the arXiv; in principle, this top-level tag were to be used when none of the other top-levle tags fits, just as on the arXiv. Sure, very few do this (I do sometimes)." CreationDate="2013-08-27T12:36:05.323" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3186" PostId="720" Score="3" Text="@quid: By the way, I remember having heard that some people translate the &quot;GM&quot; in math.GM on arXiv as [G]arbage [M]achine, reflecting that at times arXiv moves low-quality papers from the more specific sections there. I wonder whether it is generally perceived in this way, and whether people might read the &quot;GM&quot; here on MO in a similar way." CreationDate="2013-08-27T13:31:36.133" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3190" PostId="720" Score="0" Text="I never remove another fitting top-level tag to tag it gm, but if I do not find a fitting top-level tag chances are the question is not really a research-level question." CreationDate="2013-08-27T14:11:06.857" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3155" PostId="721" Score="12" Text="This is my experience as well. It's probably healthiest to accept the fact, with a shrug of the shoulders, that MO voting cannot be controlled and is frequently ludicrous." CreationDate="2013-08-26T21:30:25.450" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3185" PostId="724" Score="20" Text="&quot;do I always have to precisely define, what kind of graph I mean&quot; **Yes!** At least you should try to make the question as clear as possible. People from all kinds of different backgrounds will read it (also non-experts in the field); make it simple for them to understand what you mean. Sure, people should still leave rather constructive comments than do something negative, but still your aim should be to be clear and detailed when asking." CreationDate="2013-08-27T13:19:27.713" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3187" PostId="724" Score="19" Text="It's always a wrong assumption that people think like you do." CreationDate="2013-08-27T13:43:14.883" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3188" PostId="724" Score="1" Text="@quid: I agree, that there is no excuse for being sloppy." CreationDate="2013-08-27T13:51:00.723" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3191" PostId="724" Score="11" Text="I imagine the biggest danger is if the question is meaningless, trivial, or uninteresting for most definitions, but becomes interesting for one specific variant.  In that case, common sense would suggest you must have meant that variant, but someone reading the question might not even realize there was a sensible version." CreationDate="2013-08-27T14:25:19.247" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="3192" PostId="724" Score="9" Text="François, my thinking on this is the same as yours." CreationDate="2013-08-27T14:33:59.590" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="3193" PostId="724" Score="1" Text="Suppose one in a hundred users of MO fails to have common sense and good will.  I note that MO has about 2,000 users.  Those 20 misfits will zero in on YOUR questions!" CreationDate="2013-08-27T14:35:30.257" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="3195" PostId="724" Score="17" Text="For me, part of the potential of MO is to consult people from outside my area and my &quot;usual mathematical tribe&quot;, which to me makes it **doubly important** that I try to formulate my questions unambiguously and in ways that don't presuppose the audience can fill in the same gaps that I can." CreationDate="2013-08-27T16:35:24.013" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3196" PostId="724" Score="15" Text="Also, from my limited teaching experience, and a lot of experience reading shoddy papers, I think it is no bad thing if people are encouraged to make their questions more self-contained, and less reliant on telepathy or shared &quot;tribal background&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-27T16:37:12.193" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3200" PostId="724" Score="1" Text="To complement what @HenryCohn says: meaningless, trvial, or uninteresting questions are not unheard of on MO. OP meaning the one interesting variant could by com. sense be assumed to be aware of issues with the others. So cs would suggest to highlight this, and so if not cs suggest they actually meant something trvial :-) More seriously, in abosulute numbers I am convinced cases where originally trivial was reinterpreted to interesting outnumber the converse considerably. The former does less harm than the latter so it is good it is like this but still I wanted to mention it for balance." CreationDate="2013-08-27T17:59:53.533" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3201" PostId="724" Score="0" Text="I thank you all for the valuable feedback and hope it is also of interest for novices to MO." CreationDate="2013-08-27T18:00:59.617" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3202" PostId="724" Score="16" Text="When I was working on my thesis, I found in the literature a wonderful result that could be used to solve a nice problem I was considering. Examination of the proof revealed that the result required very restrictive additional assumptions that the author had not mentioned, trusting that they would be &quot;clear from context&quot;. The problem is still open." CreationDate="2013-08-27T18:02:48.860" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3211" PostId="724" Score="0" Text="I think the title of this question is rather different from the actual question (which is a good question) --- perhaps you could change it to something like 'Must I be precise when asking questions, or will readers fill gaps based on context?'" CreationDate="2013-08-28T00:25:28.877" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3214" PostId="724" Score="3" Text="I changed the question title myself. For the record, it was previously &quot;How much commonsense and goodwill can be expected on MO?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-28T00:38:38.490" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3221" PostId="724" Score="0" Text="Let me give a classical example, that makes clearer, what common sense or common understanding can be in mathematics: &quot;is it possible to trisect an angle?&quot; That question in itself has several defects, as it doesn't mention the available means (straight edge and compass) and it is is unclear what is meant by 'an' (a specific one, some or, every).  Despite these defects, it is an almost sure bet, that the question will be interpreted as the classical problem (finding a construction that works for every angle, using only straight edge an compass)." CreationDate="2013-08-28T06:41:22.913" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3222" PostId="724" Score="0" Text="continuing previous comment: The most likely answer will be &quot;no&quot;, which is correct for the classical interpretation, but not for the quotet question. Still, despite the defects of question and answer, it is unlikely that they will raise eyebrows." CreationDate="2013-08-28T07:00:22.277" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3223" PostId="724" Score="3" Text="Your example is **exactly** the kind of question that I think we should urge the questioner to clarify. How do we know that the question is about compass and straightedge, and not, say Archimedes's construction with compass and marked straight edge?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T07:31:04.057" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3228" PostId="724" Score="0" Text="@Yemon: may I interpret your answer also as an advice, not to to silently downvote such a question but rather to point out the deficiency, so that people can learn from that and improve on their formulation of questions and answer ( remember: &quot;anyone can ask&quot; on MO)?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T08:32:44.350" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3236" PostId="724" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: I fear that the intent of my question is being misinterpreted; I don't want others to do the work for me and I would never ask, whether it is possible to trisect an angle - Yernon understood that correctly as only an example. When I express the hope to be pointed to an omission because I want to improve then that doesn't mean that I want to learn mathematics from scratch as you apparently suppose. Maybe you should check, how many questions on MO (not necessarily mine) needed some comments until things became a clear and the question got upvoted." CreationDate="2013-08-28T11:02:08.333" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3215" PostId="729" Score="3" Text="I wonder whether the moderators here and there could migrate the MO version to m.se and merge it into the m.se post." CreationDate="2013-08-28T04:17:28.603" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="3216" PostId="729" Score="0" Text="Can a moderator send a pvt msg to the parties concerned when instances like these occur? I saw this was copied in 2011, but it's only now I noticed this doppelganger post." CreationDate="2013-08-28T04:23:25.837" UserId="12905" />
  <row Id="3217" PostId="729" Score="0" Text="Curious that the transgressive account was only used in that instance, and not since." CreationDate="2013-08-28T05:00:33.363" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3218" PostId="729" Score="2" Text="@TitoPiezasIII Moderators can send messages to other users, that feature is meant for serious issues, suspensions for example require such a message and you can't suspend someone without it. All such messages are also copied to the SE community team. But I don't think it'll do much good here as the user hasn't been on the site for years." CreationDate="2013-08-28T05:01:43.623" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="3219" PostId="729" Score="0" Text="Mad Scientist: Well, I just find this a bizarre experience." CreationDate="2013-08-28T05:09:28.137" UserId="12905" />
  <row Id="3226" PostId="729" Score="5" Text="@GerryMyerson I believe (quite strongly) questions that are 'too old' (older than 60 days, IIRC) cannot  even be migrated by moderators." CreationDate="2013-08-28T08:18:03.200" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3227" PostId="729" Score="4" Text="While I can see this is an unfortunate exprience, on the relatively positive side two points: first, somebody else pointed out essentially right away the original source in a comment (so in some sense attribution happened even though not by OP of question on MO); second, as mentioned already, that OP is an unregistered account that it seems did nothing but reasking this one question, so this rather seems to originate in being unaware/oblivious of proper procedure than any actually bad intentions." CreationDate="2013-08-28T08:27:43.603" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3230" PostId="729" Score="0" Text="I wonder if that is possible to give the points of one user to the other. The moral issues aside, This would be a kind of practical compensation for what had happened." CreationDate="2013-08-28T09:24:27.060" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="3231" PostId="729" Score="2" Text="Quid is right, moving old posts does not work." CreationDate="2013-08-28T09:40:19.090" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="3240" PostId="729" Score="5" Text="Is this copying any worse than copying a question word-for-word from a textbook?  Or from an on-going web contest?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T13:29:30.937" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="3243" PostId="729" Score="2" Text="He/she could have at least mentioned that it was copied. Also, somebody (whose account has since been suspended for violations) edited my mathstackexchange [question](http://math.stackexchange.com/posts/16887/revisions) and put a bounty on it. Then on the very same day, someone copied it to mathoverflow. Hmm." CreationDate="2013-08-28T13:45:45.893" UserId="12905" />
  <row Id="3245" PostId="729" Score="1" Text="Since this spans more than one site, I recommend you describe the situation at http://mathoverflow.net/contact so the community managers can fix it." CreationDate="2013-08-28T13:51:56.240" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3246" PostId="729" Score="5" Text="@TitoPiezasIII generally it is considered as a nice thing to do to add a bounty to somebody else's question. And the timing is *extremely* unsurprising since it just had regained a lot of visibility. By contrast why somebody should with bad intentions  put a bounty *and reask* here completely escapes me. (And it seems you are somehow implying this.) I think likely it was somebody else, and even if not this action merely suggest that they *really* wanted an answer to this/your question. Perhaps try to see this in a more positive way." CreationDate="2013-08-28T14:48:35.490" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3247" PostId="729" Score="1" Text="To stress the point already made. The acount was unregeistered and instantly went idle. We had cases where people reask without attribution question so to say to &quot;steal&quot; some points or unduly gain some credibility. But for this to make sense you need to do is with an actual account. Not with a single use throw-away acount." CreationDate="2013-08-28T14:51:54.330" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3250" PostId="729" Score="8" Text="I think using other people's words without attribution is bad academic practice, and the existence of MSE and MO do nothing to change my views." CreationDate="2013-08-28T17:06:13.027" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3283" PostId="729" Score="0" Text="@Quid, since this has escaped my notice for more than two years, I'm more baffled by it than anything. But, on a positive note (as you suggest), imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. (And it did generate some useful discussion in the forum.)" CreationDate="2013-08-28T23:07:32.153" UserId="12905" />
  <row Id="3398" PostId="729" Score="0" Text="@Tito, did you get a response from the SE community managers?" CreationDate="2013-08-31T19:30:37.790" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3427" PostId="729" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, no but that's ok. At least I had made the matter known." CreationDate="2013-09-02T03:01:32.993" UserId="12905" />
  <row Id="3449" PostId="729" Score="2" Text="@quid speculating here: perhaps the user who posted on MO wasn't the person who put the bounty up, but instead was someone who saw the bounty and figured they could post the question here, copy whatever answer they got on MO to math.SE and claim the bounty?  Certainly the point's mostly moot regardless..." CreationDate="2013-09-03T19:08:16.600" UserId="7092" />
  <row Id="3451" PostId="729" Score="1" Text="@StevenStadnicki well it's possible. But, then all this effort for a 100 point bounty on math.SE. And, also, it is not uncommon that cross-posts are called out. Actually, and more generally, this has happened in this case. The only thing that was &quot;missing&quot; was that somebody also put the link on math.SE. Had this happened this could have been resolved at time it happened. So, perhaps the lesson to be learned from this is that it is really worth it to by vigiliant regarding cross-posts, or things that look like them, and effort to post these comments with links here and there can be important." CreationDate="2013-09-03T20:33:59.470" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3220" PostId="730" Score="15" Text="Yes, of course." CreationDate="2013-08-28T05:54:46.440" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3335" PostId="731" Score="0" Text="does that also cover the case of reference requests, if no satisfactory feedback came? I have the concrete case that I found a solution for something and would like to know if others also did; the formally 'correct' way would be to publish the result elsewhere and then supply a link to my publication as an answer to my MO question - should I instead take the shortcut an 'publish' the result as an answer to my reference request on MO?" CreationDate="2013-08-30T10:59:15.600" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3338" PostId="731" Score="0" Text="It seems that as far as self-learning concerns it doesn't matter you publish or &quot;publish&quot; your work. However, I personally prefer to publish my work and only then &quot;publish&quot; it. However, I think it would be a nice question asking about the advantages and disadvantages of the order of publishing and &quot;publishing&quot;. Perhaps, you want to post a separate question in that direction." CreationDate="2013-08-30T11:17:42.907" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="3446" PostId="731" Score="0" Text="@ManfredWeis: I have already done that in one my questions, see http://mathoverflow.net/q/133662/23860" CreationDate="2013-09-03T14:15:01.533" UserDisplayName="user23860" />
  <row Id="4029" PostId="732" Score="1" Text="@Oded: why does &quot;Question 2&quot; not qualify as a bug (in the documentation)?" CreationDate="2013-09-25T21:47:48.750" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4034" PostId="732" Score="2" Text="Took me a while to see what this was about. The text for answers shouldn't mention question status, as that is not relevant, but the answer status, which is. Fixing." CreationDate="2013-09-26T10:42:48.173" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="3244" PostId="734" Score="4" Text="Please fill out the form at http://mathoverflow.net/contact" CreationDate="2013-08-28T13:46:54.160" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3239" PostId="735" Score="0" Text="Thanks. It seems so, although I cannot see the other account. Who/how should I ask this?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T13:27:12.303" UserId="36687" />
  <row Id="3241" PostId="735" Score="0" Text="The problem with the solution in that link is that I cannot see the other account. I have only used my Goolge account to enter this site and that redirects to the newer account here. Do you see which email address is associated with that account?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T13:34:45.067" UserId="36687" />
  <row Id="3242" PostId="735" Score="0" Text="I see the public profile for the older account here: http://mathoverflow.net/users/13049/passerby51, but I don't have access to it." CreationDate="2013-08-28T13:40:13.603" UserId="36687" />
  <row Id="3248" PostId="735" Score="2" Text="@passerby51 this a particular problem with Google after the softwareupgrade many had it see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/15/how-can-i-log-in-into-my-old-mathoverflow-account for details. The basic solution is still the same; using the contact form. This is just to reassure you that it is not a problem you do not have access as this happened to many (including me) and is a known issue int this particular context;" CreationDate="2013-08-28T14:59:13.420" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3249" PostId="735" Score="0" Text="@quid, OK, thanks, I sent the request." CreationDate="2013-08-28T15:24:21.053" UserId="36687" />
  <row Id="3255" PostId="736" Score="3" Text="&quot;Today, a high-level collaborative structure, where each plays its role according to its intrinsic abilities, would advance very quickly on problems on which mathematicians block for so many years.&quot; I fail to see the evidence for this. Look at the amenability problem for Thompson F, for instance" CreationDate="2013-08-28T17:58:52.983" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3256" PostId="736" Score="3" Text="Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect seems pertinent" CreationDate="2013-08-28T17:59:58.563" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3258" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi : You have no evidence for this, but we have no evidence for the opposite. One example is not a proof, I could cite the classification of finite simple groups etc... I'm not sure to well-understand your analogy with Dunning–Kruger effect, but perhaps it's interesting, so could you please be more precise ?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T18:24:37.477" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3259" PostId="736" Score="2" Text="I sense that solving the great open problems is a poor use of such collective power." CreationDate="2013-08-28T18:26:27.027" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="3260" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger I guess it depends if you are the traveller who gets to drink the stone soup, or one of the people who actually has ingredients" CreationDate="2013-08-28T18:27:37.847" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3263" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger : I'm interested by your feeling,  could you please develop a little?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T18:31:42.193" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3264" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi : I don't understand your last comment. Is it a pun ?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T18:32:38.447" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3265" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="I  would say that solving open problems per se is little more than self gratification.  If instead efforts are put forth to understand, reorganize and reframe knowledge from many differing perspectives, that instead might be more socially useful, and may have the side effect of making harder problems easier to crack." CreationDate="2013-08-28T18:40:11.300" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="3266" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi : if your point about Dunning-Kruger effect is that it's not obvious for someone to find his true area of ​​expertise, your point is relevant. My answer about this is that it's important for everyone to seriously do this job of recognition." CreationDate="2013-08-28T18:45:29.493" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3268" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger : I don't understand, in your last comment, in what it's a poor use. If one person alone solve an open problem, there is self gratification, but if it's thousand of people who solve it collaboratively, there is no more self gratification. What's the poorness in cracking easier hard problems collaboratively ?  Of course, I don't suggest to restrict its use for only solving open problems, this could be use for many others applications. I'm not sure to understand your point." CreationDate="2013-08-28T19:01:11.850" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3269" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger : I try to understand, perhaps self-gratification is a good thing in your opinion, is it ?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T19:04:43.630" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3270" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="Say the collaboration finds a proof of the classification of finite simple groups that is under 50 pages long.  Who benefits?  I dare say only professional mathematicians and few others.  Suppose now that CFSG is viewed in several different ways, one of which leads to experiment design protocols that speed up and certify medicinal drug development.  Who benefits? Mathematicians AND their families AND their friends, to start. You might consider holding this discussion in chat." CreationDate="2013-08-28T19:13:44.093" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="3272" PostId="736" Score="3" Text="@Yemon's comment on Dunning-Kruger: This could be a MAJOR obstacle to productive large-scale collaborative effort in mathematics." CreationDate="2013-08-28T19:25:08.717" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3274" PostId="736" Score="1" Text="The effect could also be a tool, as the less competent  could generate ideas. A central problem to this will still be managing communication." CreationDate="2013-08-28T19:36:11.810" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="3277" PostId="736" Score="1" Text="@MaskedAvenger: Perhaps this is where the focus should be...somehow sifting the right amount of crazy. I don't have a clear idea of how to do this..." CreationDate="2013-08-28T20:23:35.800" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3280" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@JonBannon : could you explain what do you understand about the Dunning-Kruger effect ?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T20:59:36.820" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3284" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@JonBannon : what do you think about making a proposal at [Area 51](http://area51.stackexchange.com/) ?" CreationDate="2013-08-28T23:41:16.480" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3287" PostId="736" Score="3" Text="@Sébastien Palcoux: The Dunning-Kruger phenomenon seems to suggest that a large number of less-than-qualified individuals may form a very loud voice on a badly designed collaborative site. I don't think an Area 51 proposal would be harmful, but I think that math.se and mathoverflow are perceived as having exhausted the Q/A needs of the mathematics community." CreationDate="2013-08-29T00:17:36.733" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3288" PostId="736" Score="1" Text="Something different is needed. I'm not sure what, if anything, will work." CreationDate="2013-08-29T00:19:22.163" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3295" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@JonBannon : *When a problem arises, it is half solved*. We just need to think about the good design for avoiding excess in this direction. In addition, one could speak of the same problem on MO, and the solution is the up and down votes. Now in a more collaborative site, where somebody can propose *subjective* idea (intuition), the up and down vote in nonsense and need to be replace by something else more flexible." CreationDate="2013-08-29T07:35:44.230" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3296" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="In this [old meta discussion](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1612/update-mo-to-better-deal-with-the-unknown/#Item_0), I have written in great details, a structure for a collaborative site. All these ideas need to be update, but it's a solution in my opinion." CreationDate="2013-08-29T07:39:20.337" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3297" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@JonBannon : there are about 20000 users on MO, about 1000 users with more than 1000 reputation points, and about 3000 users with more than 150 points ! You're right MO and MSE are perceived by the majority of mathematician as sufficient, but in reality it's not sufficient, so we just need to well-explain what a massive collaborative site should be, why MO and MSE can't play this role. In my opinion, an Area 51 proposal will pass without problem. The difficulty would be to attract many serious people, for having a very high level collaborative site." CreationDate="2013-08-29T08:04:10.917" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3298" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger : In my opinion, your view is not particular to a collaborative site, it can be applied to all the mathematics research organization from hundreds of years. What's the interest of pure mathematic research outside of the mathematics community, there're many CW post on this subject (see [here](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/56547/applications-of-mathematics))." CreationDate="2013-08-29T08:16:08.400" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3299" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger : the new interest with a massive collaborative research network, is that it doesn't exist yet, the mathematicians would be the pioneers in this area. But of course, this model could be reproduced in other domain : that's a very big interest for all the world (as stackoverflow has been reproduced for all the domain other than informatics, or than innovation from CERN reproduced for medical use etc...)." CreationDate="2013-08-29T08:24:47.103" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3300" PostId="736" Score="1" Text="I think quality control is more important than a large number of people eager to share their intuition and &quot;creative&quot; ideas. *That* is what I meant by my reference to the Dunning-Kruger effect" CreationDate="2013-08-29T08:43:53.377" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3301" PostId="736" Score="1" Text="Moreover, near the start of this comment thread, you claimed I have no evidence for the opposite (of what you claim). I could reel off a long list of hard problems that are either still open or were open for a long time and not solved by some communal work by the non-experts and dilletants, but by focused work by the experts" CreationDate="2013-08-29T08:46:41.107" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3302" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi : do you have a problem with &quot;intuition&quot; and &quot;creativity&quot; ? Some people are very intuitive, others are very rigorous, why you want to opposite this two category of people ? Instead of opposite them, we can try to harmonize them, because they are complementary." CreationDate="2013-08-29T08:54:12.357" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3303" PostId="736" Score="3" Text="I have a problem with those who feel that those of us who want exactitude and careful thought are stifling creativity. People being &quot;creative&quot; can turn out to be people talking rubbish. Yet again: I refer you to Dunning-Kruger. Let me be even more blunt: in my view, **ideas are cheap**." CreationDate="2013-08-29T09:02:18.190" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3305" PostId="736" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi : we agree !" CreationDate="2013-08-29T09:07:18.500" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3306" PostId="736" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure we do. I meant that it is easy for someone to spout off half-baked or ill-informed ideas, and it is hard for someone else to come along and fix them, or create order and value. Why encourage people in the former if they cannot or will not do the latter? (I have to go now, I'm afraid.)" CreationDate="2013-08-29T09:09:55.453" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3307" PostId="736" Score="1" Text="let us [continue this discussion in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10367/discussion-between-sebastien-palcoux-and-yemon-choi)" CreationDate="2013-08-29T09:17:54.400" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3286" PostId="737" Score="2" Text="Where does one even find this newsletter?" CreationDate="2013-08-29T00:15:19.363" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3289" PostId="737" Score="4" Text="@Scott: Here: [http://stackexchange.com/newsletters](http://stackexchange.com/newsletters). It can be a useful service for those who have an interest in an area but do not participate regularly." CreationDate="2013-08-29T00:32:58.090" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="3290" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="(Incidentally, I don't know if there is an archive of earlier newsletters...)" CreationDate="2013-08-29T00:33:26.060" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="3308" PostId="737" Score="1" Text="According to [this answer at meta.SO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/151721/183484) there is no such archive." CreationDate="2013-08-29T12:32:44.787" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3309" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="Well, that's a shame that there is no archive (I delete them weekly myself). I remember that &quot;What are your favorite instructional counterexamples?&quot; was among the &quot;greatest hits&quot; recently, as was &quot;Statistics for mathematicians.&quot; I don't see any way to control this, but it is an unfortunate side effect of old posts being bumped to prominence again." CreationDate="2013-08-29T12:41:35.340" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="3316" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="Is the newsletter made by an artificial intelligence? (I mean, any intelligent human editor would spot the problem at once). If so, why not to push the off button for the time when the bumpy transition is going on?" CreationDate="2013-08-29T18:52:24.833" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3317" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="@fedja: Yes, I think it is entirely automated via software. Likely no StackExchange employee looks at it, except to verify that the software is working." CreationDate="2013-08-29T20:00:11.347" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="3318" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="@fedja (and in general) I had a look around on meta.SO following the link above and also a bit more generally to find out how exactly the selection is done but had no luck, but at least can confirm what Joseph O'Rourke suggests it is pure AI. Also, other components (like some selection of unanswered questions the newsletter contains) differ from one letter to the other (also for the &quot;same&quot; newsletter, which also explains that there is no real archive). But that the 'good' questions that are selected are often not so good is IMO unsurprsing  and not temporal in any way." CreationDate="2013-08-29T21:27:18.607" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3319" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="The main issue seems to be extrapolating from how &quot;hotness&quot; is determined that *many* answers are considered as 'good' (in a direct plus in an indirect way via total score of all answers). Anyway, as I said in one of the last discussions on 'tea' I think to make a good newsletter for MO is difficult (for AI *and* HI), to the extent one might best give up on the idea, in my opinion. For some other selection that is in part a bit, well, not optimal http://mathoverflow.net/questions?sort=frequent (but really only in part, it is actually not so bad). [For that selection number of links is key.]" CreationDate="2013-08-29T21:33:17.447" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3320" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="Just as a contrast: I also subscribe to the *Theoretical Computer Science* Newsletter. In the Aug 1st newsletter, which I haven't yet deleted, the &quot;Greatest hits from previous weeks&quot; are: &quot;[What is the complexity of this edge coloring problem?](http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/17412/337)&quot; and &quot;[How to check if a number is a perfect power in polynomial time](http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/2077/337).&quot; These seem much more representative of TCS than do the &quot;greatest hits&quot; represent MO." CreationDate="2013-08-29T23:47:19.970" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="3321" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="I'll change this to a bug since it was reproduced in today's newsletter." CreationDate="2013-08-30T00:23:15.550" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3325" PostId="737" Score="5" Text="&quot;to make a good newsletter for MO is difficult&quot; Agreed. But not to make a bad one should be easy (by making none, if no brighter idea comes into anybody's mind). I mean, if this feature hurts more than helps (and it seems to be so), maybe we should request disabling it for MO. Are there any good arguments against such request?" CreationDate="2013-08-30T04:46:28.193" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3347" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="I didn't even know that such a newsletter exists..." CreationDate="2013-08-30T14:12:18.747" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3322" PostId="739" Score="8" Text="No, this question does not appear to be appropriate." CreationDate="2013-08-30T03:00:24.950" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3323" PostId="739" Score="7" Text="MathOverflow is for research mathematicians; merely being 'self-study' does not make it appropriate." CreationDate="2013-08-30T03:25:33.623" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3327" PostId="739" Score="6" Text="If it is an exercise in a textbook, it is unlikely to be on topic for MO (there are probably textbooks that are exceptions to this). If you ask on MSE and don't get an answer, consider putting a bounty on the question. Often, people will use the term homework for any problem that seems to be from a textbook, regardless of whether the asker has been set it as homework. The reason for this is that the type of answer that will help the asker the most will often be the same." CreationDate="2013-08-30T08:13:56.327" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3349" PostId="739" Score="0" Text="Thanks for all your views." CreationDate="2013-08-30T15:08:03.493" UserId="36035" />
  <row Id="3336" PostId="742" Score="7" Text="Your post includes at least two questions that are somehow unrelated. When I talk to my non-MO colleagues, I usually tell them it is very interesting forum, in particular, if you use one question per post! :)" CreationDate="2013-08-30T11:02:14.197" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="3337" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="@AmirAsghari : if you prefer, the second question is a specialization of the first, in the sense that something is &quot;acceptable&quot; if it's accepted by the community. So the views of the mathematical community contains this acceptability. What do your colleagues respond to you, are they curious, 	&#xA;unconcerned, afraid ? Is there a natural difference between your young and old colleagues ?" CreationDate="2013-08-30T11:17:22.340" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3341" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="The part about citing MO posts has been discussed before, either here or on tea (I will try to dig up the relevant posts when I have the time unless someone does it before I get around to it)." CreationDate="2013-08-30T12:00:18.157" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3342" PostId="742" Score="8" Text="The part about citing MO posts has been effectively answered by the multitude of references to MO in existing mathematical papers (do a search on arXiv)." CreationDate="2013-08-30T12:29:21.273" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="3344" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="@darijgrinberg, yes thanks. Here is the arxiv's paper (4 May 2013) :&#xA;[What does mathoverflow tell us about the production of mathematics?](http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.0904)" CreationDate="2013-08-30T12:36:17.247" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3350" PostId="742" Score="2" Text="I think you may have misunderstood what @darijgrinberg meant. I think he meant that there are several papers on the arXiv which reference MO (in the same way one would reference another paper), not that there is a paper specifically about MO." CreationDate="2013-08-30T15:08:42.623" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3351" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft : oh ok, I understand." CreationDate="2013-08-30T15:14:59.573" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3352" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="@darijgrinberg : But everyone can post a paper on arxiv with MO's reference, this does not show that it's acceptable. *Acceptable* means *accepted* for a peer-review journal. Perhaps some journals accept and others not, in this case, which ?" CreationDate="2013-08-30T15:17:02.550" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3354" PostId="742" Score="3" Text="Perhaps, but what choice do they have? You always can just copy (with all required attributions, etc.) the corresponding part of the discussion into the paper and say that it is the only source currently available, so no &quot;respectable reference&quot; is forthcoming within the next several years. Of course, like with every other citation, you have the responsibility to check that the argument you cite is correct and here you *cannot* rely on the &quot;historical acceptance&quot; and on other people doing this work for you." CreationDate="2013-08-30T16:11:02.073" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3356" PostId="742" Score="4" Text="@SébastienPalcoux: When you wrote &quot;acceptable&quot;, the last thing I had expected was for it to mean &quot;accepted by publishers&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-30T16:50:53.273" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="3357" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="@darijgrinberg : I'm sorry to have been unclear on this point. So what do you think now ?" CreationDate="2013-08-30T16:54:51.240" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3366" PostId="742" Score="14" Text="I don't think &quot;acceptable&quot; really makes sense here. In academia, you *must* adequately report all your sources no matter what or where they are. If you make use of an equation from a graffiti on a pillar of the Brooklyn Bridge, then you have to figure out a way to cite it. A journal may require a specific mechanism for unusual citations but they can't reject the citation itself." CreationDate="2013-08-30T20:08:10.820" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3419" PostId="742" Score="6" Text="&quot;In academia, you *must* adequately report all your sources no matter what or where they are&quot; Ah-oh, given that I got the key idea for one lemma from a Russian street song with words not quite suitable to reproduce in print and another from a friend who, in my student years, challenged me to compete who can say more of abacabadabacabaeaba... without mistake or a break to inhaling (no jokes: he second paper can be found at http://arxiv.org/abs/1008.3077 and the connection is obvious, though I'll abstain from demonstrating the first one),  I'm in big trouble now..." CreationDate="2013-09-01T15:20:27.853" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3588" PostId="742" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, interestingly, I've had a journal (PNAS) reject, in any form, a citation to notes published on a web page." CreationDate="2013-09-12T00:09:13.623" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3592" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: Really? They didn't suggest using footnotes or something else?" CreationDate="2013-09-12T01:20:16.647" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3680" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="@fedja: I don't think François meant you must also report all your sources of *inspiration*." CreationDate="2013-09-13T11:12:59.317" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="3682" PostId="742" Score="1" Text="@Mark Meckes In both cases it was more than &quot;inspiration&quot;. Understood correctly, it was a full solution modulo routine (for a professional analyst) technical details. If we go into inspiration, the list will be endless. Renyi said that a mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems but he mentioned only the fuel, not the raw material consumed by this machine. Starting at some point, you take in just everything (like any other good artist) and see the whole world as *inspiration*. If you want, we can talk more about that when you drive 30 miles South or I go 30 miles North :-)." CreationDate="2013-09-13T12:26:45.313" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3727" PostId="742" Score="1" Text="@fedja: I think you're being rather too modest in your personal role in &quot;understanding correctly&quot;.  Maybe we can compromise and agree that in any case the song was more than &quot;inspiration&quot; but still less than a &quot;source&quot;.  I'd be happy to talk more about the subject with you sometime, though if I drove 30 miles south right now I'd be in the Pyrenees." CreationDate="2013-09-15T12:51:11.927" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="3729" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="@Mark Meckes &quot;though if I drove 30 miles south right now I'd be in the Pyrenees&quot; Not a bad place for a conversation either :-). I guess I should visit Europe too sometimes though I will, most likely, go to Barcelona and then it'll be 170 miles North for me..." CreationDate="2013-09-15T14:47:44.373" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3343" PostId="743" Score="1" Text="Thank you very much for this witness ! I didn't know the book of Hadamard/Poincaré, it looks very interesting, I just buy it on ama---." CreationDate="2013-08-30T12:30:10.707" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3353" PostId="743" Score="8" Text="&quot;it might discourage young mathematicians (graduate students, for example) from thinking hard enough about their problems&quot;. Only those who are not willing to think from the beginning (and, frankly speaking, I do not really care what happens to them). Those who are willing to think and, especially, those who are willing to think of *other people's* problems may find it rather stimulating (plus much more exciting than Fox news or Obama speeches as a topic of the afternoon tea discussion). ;)" CreationDate="2013-08-30T16:01:26.797" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3355" PostId="743" Score="1" Text="@fedja: A nice point!" CreationDate="2013-08-30T16:23:47.397" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3372" PostId="743" Score="2" Text="@fedja I agree to some extent with your underlying sentiment, but there are those who start their graduate studies without having been told/taught to think from the beginning, yet on suitable encouragement will develop such skills. For those, I think there is some merit in encouraging them not to use MO as their own Jeeves, at least not at the start." CreationDate="2013-08-30T22:55:18.987" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3373" PostId="743" Score="3" Text="@Yemon I come from the culture where future mathematicians were supposed (and taught) to think from day one of their undegraduate studies for sure and from the 7-8th grade of school en masse. If you were to get the idea that you should think and solve problems by yourself only as a graduate in Leningrad, you just wouldn't be in the graduate school. Most likely, you wouldn't be in the undergraduate school either but I admit that this may be questionable. We asked each other and shared our ideas much more than it is customary here and yet, we knew that we should be able to hold on our own." CreationDate="2013-08-30T23:12:25.680" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3374" PostId="743" Score="3" Text="@fedja That is laudable (I mean this with utter sincerity) but that's not the &quot;initial condition&quot; that I find myself in as a teacher and supervisor :( As it happens my own mathematical origins are closer to what you describe." CreationDate="2013-08-30T23:22:33.240" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3400" PostId="743" Score="1" Text="@Yemon Yeah, I know it is different here and now from how it was there and then. However, I sincerely see little chance that somebody whom you drag through the graduate school and whose first impulse when presented with a challenge is to pass it to somebody else will ever become anything worth of being called a professional. If I had an infinite lifespan and 200 hours in a day instead of 24, I would, maybe, show more &quot;humanism&quot; and less desire to &quot;cut corners&quot;. As it is, however, I prefer to take care of those who, I believe, deserve it, and simply leave the rest to kinder souls. :)" CreationDate="2013-08-31T23:54:38.893" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3401" PostId="743" Score="1" Text="@fedja: (Sorry to &quot;eavesdrop&quot;) Arguably, it is not kinder to encourage the weaker students you describe. It is kinder to be honest with them." CreationDate="2013-09-01T00:28:42.263" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3414" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="@Jon Bannon Perhaps, but since those are pretty much exactly to whom the &quot;most valid criticism of MO&quot; applies, and since it was not I, who invented this criticism, I suspect that it is also not I, who should be convinced here :-)." CreationDate="2013-09-01T09:20:33.990" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3416" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="@fedja: That is why I think your original comment above was an appropriate one!" CreationDate="2013-09-01T12:32:20.177" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="3450" PostId="744" Score="0" Text="Why don't you just do both things, 1 and 2, if you feel that the result is worth publishing ? If the proof is too long, you can answer in MO with a reference to your preprint." CreationDate="2013-09-03T20:01:57.973" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="3478" PostId="744" Score="0" Text="@AlexandreEremenko: what you propose is exactly option 1; or did you mean that I should publish a more elaborate version elsewhere and a 'compact' version on MO first and later add the pointer to the article? –" CreationDate="2013-09-05T05:50:18.397" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3483" PostId="744" Score="2" Text="Yes. It is unreasonable to enter in an MO window a text which is longer than 1 page." CreationDate="2013-09-05T13:05:51.507" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="3358" PostId="745" Score="0" Text="my 'problem' is, that I'm not a professional mathematician, so there are no experts around which I could ask directly; asking on MO whom I could/should contact doesn't seem to be an option either, so the only option I see for me, is to be very careful when posting on MO and it is also for that reason, why I sometimes refrain from posting on MO. The concrete case is the LP/ILP formulation of integer factorization, for which I'm very certain to have a solution but don't know whom I could ask for cross checking." CreationDate="2013-08-30T17:02:52.183" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3359" PostId="745" Score="2" Text="@ManfredWeis: regarding your &quot;LP/ILP&quot; integer factorization: just implement it, and if it beats FactInt (cf. http://www.gap-system.org/Packages/factint.html) for sufficiently large and difficult integers, send me the code and I'd be more than happy to check." CreationDate="2013-08-30T17:27:32.030" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3360" PostId="745" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: thanks for the offer, I had implemented a tiny example in Excel and it worked but I guess, my solution would be more of theoretical interest. And I doubt that checking an implementation can prove correctness.  What I will do is to post my ideas (after some rechecking) as answer to my reference request and risk being downvoted." CreationDate="2013-08-30T18:12:38.277" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3361" PostId="746" Score="0" Text="Just be careful when choosing *which* programming website to migrate to. The first of the cited questions would be answered with &quot;Why don't you do your own homework yourself?&quot; on *every* math. or programming related forum I'm a part of. Also I am as reluctant to allow myself to judge what level a not completely obvious programming question appearing on MO is as to allow the programmers judge whether they should move a math. question from their site to MSE or to MO." CreationDate="2013-08-30T18:47:14.207" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3368" PostId="746" Score="0" Text="I removed the discussion tag since it didn't make much sense. Posting a feature-request is the right way to make a request to the appropriate powers." CreationDate="2013-08-30T20:20:06.020" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3371" PostId="746" Score="0" Text="Somewhat related http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/572/option-to-migrate-to-cs-theory a request for a path to cstheory.SE though discussion suggested maybe rather we should have cs.SE (the more general one). And for the first of the question actually this might be the right site (though I am not really sure). I do not know programmers.SE well but I really doubt we get any reasonable number of question that fit there; *maybe* SO but Programmers seems not needed to me. David White do you know programmers.SE well? Perhaps I am wrong." CreationDate="2013-08-30T21:24:48.060" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3375" PostId="746" Score="8" Text="You shouldn't suggest migration to sites you are not familiar with. The scope of [Programmers.se] is not what you think it is. This is one of the reasons opening user migration paths is taken seriously. I think to open a migration path you need approval from both sides, not just the migrating site. Even on cstheory we don't get that many programming questions and I don't think MO will be much different in that regard." CreationDate="2013-08-31T05:23:32.950" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="3362" PostId="747" Score="1" Text="Are you aware of 'share' that seems to provide a similar functionality and stays present? Since you did not mention it, I could imagine you are not and might find it suffcient, but also that your are but still want this, hence the question." CreationDate="2013-08-30T18:59:53.637" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3363" PostId="747" Score="0" Text="@quid Yes, I was aware of &quot;share&quot;. But it seems that it has a rather different functionality. To be honest, I personally am more curious than in need of that box. If a question has it, why another hasn't." CreationDate="2013-08-30T19:30:24.463" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="13839" PostId="747" Score="0" Text="Related post on meta.SE: [Under what conditions is a user invited to “share a link to this question”?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/258957) This came up in connection with this recent post: [Why do we link to Twitter, Facebook or Google+ below every question?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3095)" CreationDate="2017-01-10T01:01:55.237" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3365" PostId="749" Score="1" Text="Sorry, at least in my situation the functionality is not exact. g+, f, and twitter are all filtered where I live, but e-mail is not. And for that reason, the box under unanswered questions works for me, but the share button does not so." CreationDate="2013-08-30T20:06:55.050" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="3367" PostId="749" Score="7" Text="@Amir: That's what the url box is for. All the email link does is launch your program to compose emails and start an email with the link in the body. If you really need a button for email in the share box then post a clear and specific feature request here or on [meta.so](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/)." CreationDate="2013-08-30T20:17:18.650" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3370" PostId="749" Score="6" Text="One might also mention that there are plenty of people who don't use G+, Facebook or Twitter (I stand before you as an example), but it's a safe bet that anyone who uses MO also uses email." CreationDate="2013-08-30T20:49:12.353" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="3369" PostId="750" Score="0" Text="Okay, thanks for the answer. I don't think there is enough of a pattern yet for the programming migration but my gut says we're headed that way. I guess time will tell." CreationDate="2013-08-30T20:48:49.430" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="3378" PostId="752" Score="0" Text="I think to create a culture of things getting flagged for migration would be important, regardless, since as explained in the post linked by François G. Dorais there is an upper-limit of *four* (other, ie excluding meta) sites with open migration paths. At the moment we have two (math and stats) but say some migrations to tex, academia, mathematica, scicomp, cstheory, cs and a couple others could be useful on ocassion; a lot more than four. [At the moment, some of the sites are still in beta so here is another reason for no path, but since this is about long-term.]" CreationDate="2013-08-31T10:00:11.927" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3381" PostId="752" Score="0" Text="@quid: They will increase if there is a need, but I think we need to train users to know when &amp; how to migrate before giving them a longer list." CreationDate="2013-08-31T11:44:00.153" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3387" PostId="752" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais (or also Scott Morrison): personally, I somewhat changed my mind about a longish list (from the time of the first discussion). I doubt it will ever work well in practice (*except* for math.SE) as migrations to sites other than math.SE seem too rare and also due to the feelings of some against migration. Flagging for moderators seems more viable to me. What is your opinion: would it be good/bad/neutral for somebody to go over recently closed posts and to flag things they consider as good candidates for migration?" CreationDate="2013-08-31T13:40:24.837" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3402" PostId="752" Score="1" Text="@quid: If done carefully this would help identify potential target sites. Be very careful to make sure the questions are actually suitable for the target site because rejected posts will negatively impact the possibility of opening a migration path." CreationDate="2013-09-01T02:20:01.073" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3447" PostId="752" Score="3" Text="That's what needs to happen in a nutshell. If you migrate 10 questions a month to Stack Overflow and only 2 or so are rejected in the same period, then a migration path from you to SO would likely make sense. We just need some statistical assurance that questions too programmy for MO would be well received on SO in order to be certain that we're providing a _better_ experience for users by setting up the path. If most of them were rejected (closed once being migrated as anything other but a duplicate) then we're not really improving the experience of the question author, which is the goal." CreationDate="2013-09-03T15:37:17.303" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="3377" PostId="753" Score="0" Text="I've asked about this [in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/11008935#11008935). Quid encouraged me to post the question if I consider it useful, so I went ahead." CreationDate="2013-08-31T09:10:20.103" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4023" PostId="753" Score="5" Text="(Previously part of the question...)&#xA;This question was inspired by [History of Math.Stackexchange](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/7021/history-of-math-stackexchange). There is also a post [What’s the story behind mathoverflow?](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/186/whats-the-story-behind-mathoverflow-/) on tea." CreationDate="2013-09-25T10:27:42.537" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="27829" PostId="753" Score="1" Text="Wayback Machine: [What’s the story behind mathoverflow?](https://web.archive.org/web/20160410152045/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/186/whats-the-story-behind-mathoverflow-/)" CreationDate="2022-10-07T12:57:52.387" UserId="492512" />
  <row Id="28038" PostId="753" Score="0" Text="I have a precise &quot;historical&quot; question. Were there less restrictions at the beginning (2009, maybe 2010) to upvote posts? Indeed there's a profusion at these early times of highly upvoted answers. Or does it only result from a change of behavior among the MO users?" CreationDate="2022-12-03T10:07:21.100" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="3397" PostId="754" Score="1" Text="That SBS comment thread brings back some happy highways where I went..." CreationDate="2013-08-31T18:58:49.243" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3399" PostId="754" Score="4" Text="It might be good to list birthday statistics, as well as those events that were considered major policy changes, e.g. when the content was being steered away from soft questions and those that are considered by some to be not research level questions." CreationDate="2013-08-31T20:45:57.983" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="4042" PostId="754" Score="2" Text="I'd also like to know more about the statistics.  Am I right in my sense that MathOverflow has seen a significant drop in usage?" CreationDate="2013-09-27T14:38:03.017" UserId="5789" />
  <row Id="4878" PostId="754" Score="1" Text="@JessRiedel it depends what you have in mind precisely; see for example http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/853 for some data compiled by François G. Dorais and me. I would say there is no somewhat recent significant drop, but in the long run the overall activity declined a bit (why and if or in what sense this is/could be a problem is a bit too broad for this comment)." CreationDate="2013-10-22T16:18:59.667" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4883" PostId="754" Score="0" Text="I have added the moderators from the beginning of MO according to information mentioned [here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/11783078#11783078). Although I am not sure when Daniel Erman stopped being moderator. And perhaps before the migration Anton Geraschenko should be listed as an administrator, not a moderator. (I hope some old-timers will correct this information, if needed.)" CreationDate="2013-10-23T19:07:42.200" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5801" PostId="754" Score="0" Text="I have also added the things that were mentioned [here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/revisions/7021/2)." CreationDate="2013-12-14T07:59:38.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17380" PostId="754" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: on June 24, 2013: MathOverflow joined **SE2** network." CreationDate="2018-10-13T19:13:12.610" UserId="53059" />
  <row Id="25762" PostId="754" Score="1" Text="I think Mariano lost his diamond quite some time prior to April 2021. But I can't recall when exactly right now." CreationDate="2021-04-29T14:23:40.623" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25765" PostId="754" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila You probably mean this: [Were there some recent changes to the moderators' team?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3917) Based on what [Anton Geraschenko said in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/57594086#57594086), it seems that nothing new is known about the situation." CreationDate="2021-04-29T15:32:32.290" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26916" PostId="754" Score="8" Text="Thank you to François for his time as a moderator!" CreationDate="2022-01-28T04:58:53.577" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26918" PostId="754" Score="0" Text="I'd find practical to separate the list real events (first blah blah) to the (arbitrary) list of decimal records (10000000th occurrence of the letter E in a post, etc)." CreationDate="2022-01-30T11:18:24.340" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27050" PostId="754" Score="0" Text="Should we add &quot;January 2022 -- viewing reputation becomes opt-in&quot;? It seems an important change in how the site presents itself." CreationDate="2022-03-04T07:40:49.300" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28041" PostId="754" Score="0" Text="Mods need updating...." CreationDate="2022-12-04T01:31:22.900" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28042" PostId="754" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Feel free to go ahead - after all the answer is [community wiki](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-wiki/info)." CreationDate="2022-12-04T01:43:10.513" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3403" PostId="758" Score="0" Text="We do have [custom off-topic reasons to close](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/183/custom-off-topic-reasons-to-close) available, but this one makes little sense as a qualifier to 'off-topic'." CreationDate="2013-09-01T03:03:01.017" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3405" PostId="758" Score="3" Text="Do you also want to close questions as &quot;no longer relevant&quot; if they have been answered with answers? If bot, what's the difference?" CreationDate="2013-09-01T06:41:19.150" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="3406" PostId="758" Score="1" Text="Presumably because questions that have not received an answer get periodically bumped to the top of the list of active question. Of course there are workarounds, like posting a CW answer stating that it has been answered in comments, but it's not completely satisfactory." CreationDate="2013-09-01T07:57:53.553" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="3410" PostId="758" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately the SE system likes to see answers posted as answers, even if CW. This is also reflected in the site statistics." CreationDate="2013-09-01T09:11:11.377" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="3415" PostId="758" Score="1" Text="What @DanPetersen says is AFAIK (mainly) a misconception (either this does not happen at all or at least the effect is very minimal): Questions **without** answer do not get bumped (or at least only extremely rarely). The questions that do get bumped are those **with** answer(s) that are neither accepted nor have a positive score (ie, those that are still in the 'unanswerd' list)." CreationDate="2013-09-01T09:44:59.027" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3438" PostId="758" Score="0" Text="A possible solution is to emulate the attempts on MSE, where, if the comment-answer is by a single user, that user is asked (nicely, of course) if they would provide it as an answer. If this does not work or if the comment-answer is by several, someone puts a CW-answer with the answer given in comments. @quid The unanswered list also contains all those questions with no answers (being a subset of those with no upvoted answers), but whether the bumping is affected by whether an answer exists, I don't know." CreationDate="2013-09-03T10:53:40.177" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3440" PostId="758" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft the argument they should not be in the unanswered list if they are actually answered in a comment, is certainly a reasonable one (of which I was not unaware). Yet it was not the one that was put forward. It is often people talk about this bumping. I replied to this at least three times already over time. But it just does not happen in practice (with any relevant frequency, possibly not at all). Still people kepp talking about it. So I keep pointing out it does not happen." CreationDate="2013-09-03T13:50:15.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3442" PostId="758" Score="0" Text="@quid I may have misread your comment then. I understood it like you distinguished between questions without answers and questions with non-upvoted answers when it comes to the frequency of bumping. I agree that the bumping is not a major issue (it is somewhat larger on MSE where the number of unanswered questions is much higher, but even there it is not something I often notice)." CreationDate="2013-09-03T14:00:27.920" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3445" PostId="758" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft no, you understood me right or at least half-way, I think. Dan Petersen said that comment-answers are bad as then this question will (continue to) be bumped periodically. In my observation it is simply false that questions without answer get bumped. (Or it is **extremely** rare. Could anybody give any example of this having happened?) So, this is a non-reason. The bumping of questions with answers of nonpositive score does happen with a noticeable frequency, I sometimes find annoying, but this is not very relevant for the current discussion." CreationDate="2013-09-03T14:11:00.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3455" PostId="758" Score="0" Text="here is an example that I would like to close as &quot;no longer relevant&quot; http://mathoverflow.net/questions/141168/bounds-on-gradients-of-solutions-to-laplacian-in-the-whole-plane" CreationDate="2013-09-03T23:02:28.680" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3461" PostId="758" Score="0" Text="Theo, do you have a specific example in mind? It's often useful to have concrete instances around; otherwise the arguments pro and con can seem to be in a vacuum and perhaps miss relevant aspects that a specific example can bring to light." CreationDate="2013-09-04T10:58:30.963" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3404" PostId="759" Score="6" Text="If it was an answer to your question, why not post it as an answer? If it was a comment on your question, why not edit it into the body of your question? [Yes, I realize that I haven't addressed the question of how to do lists in comments, which question may be of interests independent of the current context. Sorry]" CreationDate="2013-09-01T06:39:32.127" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="3418" PostId="759" Score="0" Text="Let's try $$\ \\ \ $$ this" CreationDate="2013-09-01T15:04:52.313" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3411" PostId="761" Score="0" Text="I have found two references. **[1]** Indulal, G. (2007). Studies on the spectrum and the energy of graphs. (Doctoral dissertation, Cochin University of Science and Technology). Definition 30, page 16. **[2]** Emanuele Munarini, Claudio Perelli Cippo, Andrea Scagliola, Norma Zagaglia Salvi, Double graphs, Discrete Mathematics, Volume 308, Issues 2–3, 6 February 2008, Pages 242-254" CreationDate="2013-09-01T09:19:54.140" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3412" PostId="761" Score="0" Text="I have found two references. Indulal, G. (2007). Studies on the spectrum and the energy of graphs. (Doctoral dissertation, Cochin University of Science and Technology). Definition 30, page 16. // Emanuele Munarini, Claudio Perelli Cippo, Andrea Scagliola, Norma Zagaglia Salvi, Double graphs, Discrete Mathematics, Volume 308, Issues 2–3, 6 February 2008, Pages 242-254" CreationDate="2013-09-01T09:20:10.330" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3413" PostId="761" Score="0" Text="I have found two references. Indulal, G. (2007). Studies on the spectrum and the energy of graphs. (Doctoral dissertation, Cochin University of Science and Technology). Definition 30, page 16. $$ $$  Emanuele Munarini, Claudio Perelli Cippo, Andrea Scagliola, Norma Zagaglia Salvi, Double graphs, Discrete Mathematics, Volume 308, Issues 2–3, 6 February 2008, Pages 242-254" CreationDate="2013-09-01T09:20:25.800" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3429" PostId="763" Score="0" Text="Dear @darij: This answer would also be appropriate and helpful at the thread http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/598/list-of-recurrent-technical-problems-involving-mathjax. Would you mind adding it there? Thank you very much." CreationDate="2013-09-02T15:30:38.037" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3428" PostId="764" Score="4" Text="This is fairly standard: e.g. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/63221/ What is deplorable is that nobody edited the (now deleted) [migrated question on academia.se](http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/12285/us-editors-and-reviewers-vs-iranian-authors) where the question would be on-topic, if it were a question at all..." CreationDate="2013-09-02T15:14:58.757" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3477" PostId="764" Score="3" Text="Important update: the question is alive and well and revised at academia - http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/12369/elsevier-actions-following-us-sanctions-on-iran" CreationDate="2013-09-05T00:57:27.330" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3430" PostId="765" Score="2" Text="This site is currently beta, so we can't open a migration path to them. However, the moderators can still migrate questions there if they are not too old. Please flag the posts and indicate why &amp; where they should be migrated in the comment box." CreationDate="2013-09-02T15:47:47.137" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3431" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="What kind of comments should I write on the &quot;why&quot; part? For most of the questions, I find it hard to make a different argument than &quot;this should go on scicomp because it's about computational science rather than research math&quot;." CreationDate="2013-09-02T17:20:00.300" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="3433" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="The question also needs to be suitable for the target site. So, in addition to being on-topic, it should also be a good question that won't be immediately closed for other reasons. Ideally, any additional justification that would help the moderators evaluate this should be included." CreationDate="2013-09-02T17:30:34.057" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3435" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="I've looked through these questions. Some are too old to migrate, some received some okay answers here already so I think it's best to leave as is." CreationDate="2013-09-03T00:25:50.703" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3436" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="I agree, however, that if flagged for migration immediately some of these would have been better sent over to scicomp." CreationDate="2013-09-03T00:26:17.830" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3434" PostId="766" Score="3" Text="In actual LaTeX, `\[...\]` is a glorified version of `$$...$$` (which however appears not to be supported by MathJax, at least in the local setup). In SE 1.0, the backslash would be eaten up by Markdown before being passed to LaTeX as in the other cases." CreationDate="2013-09-02T17:43:03.737" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="3535" PostId="766" Score="1" Text="Just to be sure, it may be a good idea to further search for other html symbols appearing within mathjax code. If `&amp;lt;` was used for some reason, other html symbols may have similarly been used." CreationDate="2013-09-07T12:41:36.433" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5572" PostId="766" Score="0" Text="I can confirm that html entities other that &amp;lt; appear a few times within mathjax code in old posts (probably from before mathjax was enabled on MathOverflow). Hopefully, any automatic fix which is eventually applied to the issues in this thread will also search and replace these symbols." CreationDate="2013-12-02T15:43:20.157" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3462" PostId="769" Score="7" Text="Interesting.  I wonder if someone complained about a question taken word-for-word from a textbook, it would receive the same treatment..." CreationDate="2013-09-04T13:05:06.400" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="3463" PostId="769" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar: Maybe. These things are handled on a case-by-case basis and there have been precedents similar to the one you describe." CreationDate="2013-09-04T14:56:06.490" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3475" PostId="769" Score="2" Text="http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/10772/18398" CreationDate="2013-09-04T23:38:43.250" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="3452" PostId="770" Score="0" Text="This is a good answer. But a practical point. Before being able to delete it, however, most of us need to put it 'on hold'." CreationDate="2013-09-03T20:37:51.877" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3453" PostId="770" Score="0" Text="@quid Good point, I expanded a bit to address that." CreationDate="2013-09-03T21:03:27.930" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="3454" PostId="770" Score="1" Text="I am not so confident about the claim in your first sentence: there are plenty of people out there who like to write answers down, even if they are not actually answering the question, or even if they are repeating things other people have written." CreationDate="2013-09-03T23:02:02.773" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3476" PostId="770" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: Actually, I think the main application of 'no longer relevant' in the old MO.1 days was toward a situation where a question *did* begin to attract subpar answers (contrary to Tim's first sentence). The idea being that a question, while maybe serving a useful purpose at one time, is now only attracting crap and should be put to rest, for the good of the site. This seems to me still a valid reason for closing. But *not* for deleting, as long as there are still some good and worthwhile answers there." CreationDate="2013-09-05T00:33:43.043" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3456" PostId="771" Score="0" Text="Can you please describe more precisely the rendering problems you have come across? I have noticed that the edit revisions (both for suggested edits and in the revision history for posts) sometimes render as if a few dollar signs are missing. This causes parts of the text to render as mathjax, in the characteristic italic math font and without any spaces. Other times, the preview of edit revisions simply ignores the dollar signs and shows the code (surrounded by dollar signs) instead of rendering it as mathjax." CreationDate="2013-09-04T03:08:29.943" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3459" PostId="771" Score="0" Text="Yes, a few ignored dollar signs would cause the havoc I see and some dollar signs are visible too. Whether that's the only problem, I cannot tell. @Martin Sleziak I guess the post you quoted describes the same problem. The mods can close or merge, if they want. :)" CreationDate="2013-09-04T04:26:05.707" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3465" PostId="772" Score="6" Text="Is there a particular reason against uploading the PDF file to some other website (e.g. your homepage) and providing a link in your question on MO?" CreationDate="2013-09-04T17:20:07.267" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3471" PostId="772" Score="1" Text="There are also serious copyright issues here.  Usually you have permission from the publisher to post your published papers on your own webpage and on repositories like the arXiv and certain institutional archives, but probably not on MO (and certainly you do not have permission to post other people's papers on MO).  In general, I think that you can safely give references to the published literature here and assume that people have access to a library.  But if your question requires reading a specific paper, then it probably is not a good fit for MO." CreationDate="2013-09-04T19:04:48.027" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="3509" PostId="772" Score="0" Text="@Andy: That's true but it's the same problem with images. One of the services MO secured when migrating is dedicated staff to deal with copyright issues and to handle takedown requests. So, as far as we are concerned, the isn't much to worry about until users start abusing MO and do excessive amounts of file sharing." CreationDate="2013-09-06T14:21:20.960" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3464" PostId="773" Score="0" Text="This is certainly reasonable if only a snippet of the article is needed. -- But posting an entire article in this way is maybe less so ... ." CreationDate="2013-09-04T17:18:11.367" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3466" PostId="773" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: Unless its a very short article, that sounds like an incredibly long question! Maybe I don't see what you have in mind..." CreationDate="2013-09-04T17:20:53.783" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3467" PostId="773" Score="0" Text="I hadn't read the question as asking for a way to include the text of a paper into a question. Rather I thought the OP would like to attach a file to a question. But maybe I am wrong." CreationDate="2013-09-04T17:29:44.997" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3468" PostId="773" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: I guess that might be what Fred meant by &quot;background&quot;. In any case, for images SE uses a corporate account at http://imgur.com/ A similar solution would need to be found for full documents. There would also need to be sufficient motivation and interest for SE to pay for a corporate solution." CreationDate="2013-09-04T17:36:56.137" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3469" PostId="773" Score="0" Text="As you mention images: is there a particular reason why images are not just treated like text, but need separate hosting?" CreationDate="2013-09-04T17:54:20.060" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3470" PostId="773" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: They don't need separate hosting per se, though I wouldn't see the interest in storing a raw image file in a sql database. It's just easier to use an external service: imgur specializes in one thing and they do it well. However, there is a reason why SE doesn't allow images hosted elsewhere: image link rot." CreationDate="2013-09-04T18:01:19.467" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3513" PostId="773" Score="0" Text="Saving it from now deleted post: AoPS allows users direct coding in Asymptote or Geogebra and uploads of reasonably small files too, which I find way more convenient. Is there any reason not to follow their path?" CreationDate="2013-09-06T16:42:35.893" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3516" PostId="773" Score="0" Text="@fedja: Sorry for the incidental deletion. Yes, we have been looking into such possibilities but it may take a while before we get around to this. You are welcome to start a technical discussion by contacting &lt;moderators@mathoverflow.net&gt;, that may speed things up..." CreationDate="2013-09-06T17:28:57.540" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3517" PostId="773" Score="0" Text="@Francios The article is an AMS Memoir fromn 1964.  These are currently behind a very expensive paywall.  I posted a question about it and a reader wanted to look into it more deeply.  I put it on my website and added a link to the MO post." CreationDate="2013-09-06T17:36:27.713" UserId="20300" />
  <row Id="3518" PostId="773" Score="1" Text="@Fred: That's the best solution for now. You may want to cut and paste the additional links `[DOI:10.1002/zamm.19650450430](http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/zamm.19650450430)` and `[MR0179580](http://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=179580)` so that the reference is preserved even if your server dies." CreationDate="2013-09-06T17:58:37.157" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="16419" PostId="773" Score="0" Text="May you more explain on &quot;Many image manipulation software and some pdf viewers will allow you to do this, but the quickest way is perhaps to take a screenshot&quot;? I  have  a  figure  which I wish to embedd in my  MO question. your  help is  very  appreciated." CreationDate="2018-06-05T12:36:21.067" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="3472" PostId="774" Score="0" Text="with me Tex in Google Chrome works well, I have never encountered this kind of problem. I suppose MO uses MathJax for Tex rendering, does not it?" CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:10:25.847" UserId="39331" />
  <row Id="3482" PostId="774" Score="0" Text="clearing browser data might solve the problem: chrome://settings/clearBrowserData" CreationDate="2013-09-05T12:03:38.943" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="3514" PostId="774" Score="5" Text="What version / build of chrome and OS? I can't reproduce this." CreationDate="2013-09-06T16:46:44.007" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="3572" PostId="774" Score="0" Text="Google Chrome v. 29.0.1547.66 m. Windows 7 and Windows Vista (both my Laptop and Desktop do not work). IE also does not work.&#xA;&#xA;I tried re-installing Google Chrome, but no luck!" CreationDate="2013-09-10T00:46:56.807" UserId="39566" />
  <row Id="3613" PostId="774" Score="0" Text="What happens when you click [this link](http://cdn.mathjax.org/mathjax/latest/MathJax.js?config=TeX-AMS_HTML)? It points to the mathjax CDN, which is what renders TeX on the browser. If your network is blocking it, TeX won't work." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:12:31.823" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="3786" PostId="774" Score="1" Text="It turns out it was Rogers and Cisco that was the problem. They had some strange DNS thingy going on. It was just fixed today! Hooray! Thanks to everyone for their comments, I appreciate your time!" CreationDate="2013-09-16T19:16:07.393" UserId="39566" />
  <row Id="3503" PostId="776" Score="2" Text="I agree we have too many tags and basically with everything else in this answer. Yet, in my opinion this is however a bit orthogonal to the issue at hand. For example, I think it is reasonable to have a tag for computational number theory or transcendental number theory and would find it better could the be named, computational-number-theory and transcendental-number-theory instead of the current [tag:computational-number-theo] and [tag:transcend.-number-theory] An conversely, 25 characters still leaves *huge* room for any number of tags." CreationDate="2013-09-05T21:15:26.160" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3504" PostId="776" Score="2" Text="For more standardized: there used to be a prominent suggestion to use at least one of the top-level tags (those with two letter prefix, in fact correpsonding to arXiv categories). This was a bit lost in the software-upgrade. To encourage thos could be on the one hand achieved by adding it back into the documentation, but also via retagging questions. If you (not you personally but anyone) sees a question without such a tag high-up in the active list and there seems to be a fitting one (which is true most of the time), I'd say add one (in particular if you do not need remove one in process)." CreationDate="2013-09-05T21:19:36.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3481" PostId="777" Score="2" Text="You can use the search function to only show questions with a given list of tags. E.g.the query http://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/real-analysis+or+linear-algebra which can also be made using the search box in the top right corner of the main mathoverflow page by searching for '[real-analysis] or [linear-algebra]'." CreationDate="2013-09-05T11:58:15.317" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3491" PostId="777" Score="1" Text="Poor man's solution (does not render math): Go to your network profile and click on [filtered questions](http://stackexchange.com/filters/). (Filters might be useful for other purposes, too.)" CreationDate="2013-09-05T18:01:22.927" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3484" PostId="779" Score="0" Text="Perhaps a comment on one of his answers might get quicker results?  Hey, @Pietro!  Slow down please!" CreationDate="2013-09-05T16:30:47.537" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="3485" PostId="779" Score="3" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger I did that. No response." CreationDate="2013-09-05T16:32:20.620" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3486" PostId="779" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Just seen this (this follows on from some minor but justified edits yesterday). I'm not keen on the extent of today's bumping either" CreationDate="2013-09-05T16:36:34.420" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3487" PostId="779" Score="2" Text="After analysing a few of Pietro's edits, it appears he is mostly replacing double backslashes `\\ ` in mathjax: this seems to now be non-functioning, yet harmless, code. In an attempt to prevent this from happening again in the future, I bumped my request to automatically fix these minor mathjax issues to the top, and turned it into a feature request." CreationDate="2013-09-05T17:30:37.477" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3490" PostId="779" Score="0" Text="In the meantime, I also left a comment in one of Pietro's recently edited answers, as Todd Trimble and Yemon Choi did before me. As it stands now, the front page consists mostly (~35/50) of posts with answers which have been edited by Pietro less than two hours ago." CreationDate="2013-09-05T17:49:19.730" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3492" PostId="779" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade: Thank you! That's a good request." CreationDate="2013-09-05T18:13:36.747" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3493" PostId="779" Score="1" Text="@Todd Trimble: Let us hope that the developers pay attention to the request... By the way, for the record, there has been no new edit by Pietro Majer in the last 25 minutes." CreationDate="2013-09-05T18:17:44.650" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3494" PostId="779" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade Heh. It was good while it lasted. (Actually, I'm rather surprised, as I even went so far to flag one of the edited answers to get moderator attention, and figured the hiatus in activity was due to a discreet request from a moderator)." CreationDate="2013-09-05T18:56:15.750" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3497" PostId="779" Score="7" Text="Hi everybody, I noticed your messages and I understand now the terrible effect of my recent minor edits (I always keep the &quot;newest&quot; list and noticed nothing). Anyway, my excuses for the trouble! &#xA;This afternoon I had some free time and thought to fix the format of old posts of mine once and for all (after the recent upgrade of the system, the // does not produces a space anymore, but breaks the lines, which is somehow annoying). &#xA;Cheers, P." CreationDate="2013-09-05T19:43:00.173" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="3498" PostId="779" Score="0" Text="@PietroMajer: many thanks for your response! I understand your own annoyance. Hopefully Ricardo's request can be implemented." CreationDate="2013-09-05T19:55:28.183" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3499" PostId="779" Score="5" Text="I said above that `\\ ` (double backslash followed by a space) is harmless. However, that statement was not correct. It actually creates a new line when mathjax is rendered using CSS or using SVG. Interestingly, when using mathml to render mathjax in at least two browsers, it appears that `\\ ` is simply ignored and does not create a new line." CreationDate="2013-09-05T20:45:11.693" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3508" PostId="780" Score="4" Text="Re 3): Yes. Also: Vote to close as &quot;unclear&quot;; the vote can be reverted once/if the issues are clarified." CreationDate="2013-09-06T14:15:05.343" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3510" PostId="780" Score="6" Text="Re 2): impossible to answer. Rhetorical question? Re 1): sometimes, I guess. But I rather suppose that (and this can happen to anyone in the course of doing research) one doesn't always know exactly what one wants to ask. I think Halmos remarks on this in his automathography: often people seeking help are really looking for help finding the right questions rather than black and white answers. (For another data point, I had to guess what the OP really wanted here: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/141363/reference-for-stasheff-operad/141374#141374). I think you're doing well here, @fedja." CreationDate="2013-09-06T14:53:30.643" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3511" PostId="780" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble Yes, ok, that's true. So rather than &quot;ask exactly what you need&quot;, perhaps words to the effect that the question should be as precise as possible. If the point of the question is an attempt to clarify what the right question ought to be in a specific setting, this should be made explicit." CreationDate="2013-09-06T15:35:55.170" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3512" PostId="780" Score="1" Text="&quot;one doesn't always know exactly what one wants to ask.&quot; True in general, but in both examples I gave it clearly wasn't the case. I mean, the situation is often like I need $a+b&lt;a^2+b^2$ under the condition $ab^2=1000$ and ask &quot;What is known about quadratic inequalities under cubic constraints?&quot;. I doubt Halmos would recommend such approach :). 2) Of course, you cannot tell what the reason was in each case, but can you just imagine *any* reason that would make you behave like this? @Todd Trimble" CreationDate="2013-09-06T16:15:26.897" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3515" PostId="780" Score="7" Text="@fedja: Provided that people know exactly what they need for some research purpose, I'd suppose in many cases that the urge not to hone it down to the exact specification comes from a hunch that something more general (and more illuminating) could be said. It could of course also be paranoia, either in the sense you mentioned (concerns about stealing or being scooped), or alternatively in the sense that by exposing one's true thoughts, one might look stupid. I'm not sure which (of any) of these possibilities would apply to your test cases." CreationDate="2013-09-06T17:28:26.317" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3520" PostId="780" Score="5" Text="@fedja the attitude/action you mention in your most recent comment may also stem from an alarming attitude to maths that I see occasionally (or when I referee, frequently): &quot;I want to prove X, there must be some Big Theorem that implies X, just like in my classes&quot;. So for such people, solving the question becomes a matter of being told which large book of recipes to look in." CreationDate="2013-09-06T20:17:49.380" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3521" PostId="780" Score="0" Text="*something more general (and more illuminating) could be said* Yep. I'll sort of buy that though if you want A, cannot do it yourself, and post a generalization B, you forfeit the possibility that people may know other &quot;general and illuminating&quot; approaches C,D,E, all of which imply A, but not B. @Yemon Choi The phrase &quot;like in my classes&quot; may reveal more about the state of affairs than you intended to say. I should remember it when running my graduate course. :-)" CreationDate="2013-09-06T20:43:45.457" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3730" PostId="780" Score="1" Text="Part of what is going on is probably that the &quot;How to Ask&quot; page specifically recommends generalization as a way to make your question more interesting." CreationDate="2013-09-15T17:52:07.667" UserId="5094" />
  <row Id="3522" PostId="781" Score="3" Text="Dear @Pietro Majer: Your proposal may warrant creating a new thread for its discussion." CreationDate="2013-09-07T00:11:04.350" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3529" PostId="784" Score="0" Text="What kind of edits could be made silent?" CreationDate="2013-09-07T11:35:08.753" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3530" PostId="784" Score="2" Text="Have you not seen (or looked for) the discussions of the reasons for edits bumping things to the front page?" CreationDate="2013-09-07T11:36:47.940" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="3533" PostId="784" Score="5" Text="Here is a relevant mathoverflow thread with a related feature request: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/192/minor-edits-subject-to-review" CreationDate="2013-09-07T11:56:49.670" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3536" PostId="784" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: I would consider formatting, correcting typos and so on as candidates for silent edits. Maybe there could be an option to display recently edited problems, this would prevent from unnoticed editing and leave the possibility that the classification of the be changed by others." CreationDate="2013-09-07T12:54:31.597" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3561" PostId="784" Score="3" Text="I'm almost tempted to close this as a duplicate of http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/192/minor-edits-subject-to-review" CreationDate="2013-09-09T00:18:23.407" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="12442" PostId="784" Score="0" Text="There is obviously quite good machine learning algorithms in use at SE sites. Some such algorithm could decide if an edit is minor (and very probably not malicious) and so decide it do not need bumping." CreationDate="2016-02-20T19:44:40.237" UserId="6494" />
  <row Id="18329" PostId="784" Score="0" Text="Maybe $50\%$ or so of somewhat MathJax-heavy postings on MathOverflow look like a toddler's drawing with crayons. It is unfortunate that it should be expensive to clean one of those up." CreationDate="2019-02-09T20:42:16.413" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="3539" PostId="786" Score="6" Text="Why not make the entries in the &quot;active&quot; tab itself more verbous? --&#xA;Presently they say only &quot;modified *xyz* mins ago&quot;.&#xA;Wouldn't it be reasonable to make this read &quot;new answer added *xyz* mins ago&quot;&#xA;if a new answer was added, or &quot;edited (+X/-Y characters) *xyz* mins ago&quot;&#xA;if the post was edited?" CreationDate="2013-09-07T15:47:08.713" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3545" PostId="786" Score="0" Text="Yes, what @StefanKohl says could also be a good idea. It seems like a still smaller change so could have a better chance of getting implemented. But two points to consider: First, it could then be an issue if say somebody gives a new answer *briefly* after that somebody makes a small correction and then it *seems* (but actucally is not true!) that *only* a minor edit happened (possibly leading to people ignoring the post)." CreationDate="2013-09-07T21:12:50.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3546" PostId="786" Score="0" Text="Second, there was a recent incident that somebody edited 30+ posts in a row. Now if one sees 30 posts with same user name last active it seems like an obvious assumption these were all or mainly minor edits. (And if one wanted to be sure one could check that users page for recent acitivity). *Still* some people in general in the patient side got annoyed. So, it might not help that much." CreationDate="2013-09-07T21:13:20.137" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3542" PostId="788" Score="1" Text="I put the &quot;silent&quot; in quotes to indicate that it should not be taken too literally; it is meant in the sense of not causing distraction and not in the sense of being able to make unnoticable changes." CreationDate="2013-09-07T19:00:01.090" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="3543" PostId="788" Score="1" Text="Even if you don't mean silent when you write &quot;silent&quot;, it still conveys something not quite good enough for the intent.  &quot;Low profile&quot; or &quot;quiet&quot; would be better; &quot;less obtrusive&quot; is what is wanted." CreationDate="2013-09-07T19:32:32.817" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="12443" PostId="788" Score="0" Text="Machine learning algorithms could be used to mark edits as possibly malicious and then always bump them. If very probably not malicious and minor it could decide not to bump.  Should}nt be to difficult for the SE team." CreationDate="2016-02-20T19:48:54.227" UserId="6494" />
  <row Id="3557" PostId="790" Score="7" Text="Next challenge: find a (nice) function fitting the data, and use it to predict the numbers of users at each point level who will absent themselves in the future. Then check back in a year to see how good those predictions were." CreationDate="2013-09-08T23:41:55.673" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="3558" PostId="790" Score="5" Text="I added the first column, showing users seen during the last 30 days. It seems impossible to interpret the rest of the data without this column!" CreationDate="2013-09-09T00:03:49.117" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3564" PostId="790" Score="8" Text="One thing that table won't show is the slow-down in visits. I still visit MO, but much more sporadically than before, and interact less when I'm here. There's a complicated reason involving frustrating behaviour of my browser around script-heavy sites in combination with my university's proxy which I don't understand. This was a problem with the SE network as it is now, and wasn't in MO under SE1.0, so I stopped fighting and slowed my visits down. (Edit: just posting this comment triggered said behaviour...)" CreationDate="2013-09-09T06:53:17.903" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="3565" PostId="790" Score="0" Text="@David: I hope that the said behavior is not a system admin coming into the room and smacking you on the head with a teaspoon!" CreationDate="2013-09-09T08:56:53.023" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="3579" PostId="790" Score="7" Text="I don't understand at all why this question was closed as off-topic. I've created an answer on the 'Requests for reopen votes' threads http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/798/3 to discuss this." CreationDate="2013-09-11T00:24:08.230" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3584" PostId="790" Score="3" Text="To me it looks like (up to a rescaling) this data says that it's &quot;similarly difficult&quot; to get high reputation as it is to quit MO." CreationDate="2013-09-11T19:48:54.973" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="3547" PostId="791" Score="0" Text="Thank you Scott for this information about Stack Exchange API and Data Explorer." CreationDate="2013-09-08T12:05:13.263" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3548" PostId="791" Score="0" Text="I have edited an empty table. Could you explain a little to me how does these sites work for having these informations ?" CreationDate="2013-09-08T14:18:16.850" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3549" PostId="791" Score="4" Text="The basic help page is here: http://data.stackexchange.com/help  The language used is T-SQL, which is a Microsoft variant of IBM's SQL language.   It might be easiest to start by modifying other people's scripts, and reading on-line sql tutorials." CreationDate="2013-09-08T14:34:28.283" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="3551" PostId="791" Score="5" Text="That's it, the table is completed !" CreationDate="2013-09-08T20:20:11.307" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3585" PostId="791" Score="1" Text="The table doesn't count the deleted accounts." CreationDate="2013-09-11T20:13:05.547" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="3554" PostId="792" Score="12" Text="Another remark, tho not one we like to think about, at least two 10k users have passed away during MO's history..." CreationDate="2013-09-08T21:12:44.780" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3555" PostId="792" Score="1" Text="Yes this is mainly what I had in mind with the &quot;now for a fact.&quot; I did not make it explicity as I was worried to formulate it not well and uninenionally make it not tactfull enough." CreationDate="2013-09-08T21:24:27.050" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3556" PostId="792" Score="1" Text="My MO use has slowed down a lot, but not really for any important reason." CreationDate="2013-09-08T23:04:20.030" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="3559" PostId="792" Score="6" Text="I totally agree with the final two sentences of quid's answer. This thread seems a bit pointless to me unless someone collects reasons directly from the &quot;deserters&quot; why they &quot;deserted&quot;. (I've been busy! Leave me alone! (-: )" CreationDate="2013-09-09T00:08:43.847" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3563" PostId="792" Score="5" Text="I agree that the data does not look at all like it needs any special explanation. In any online community, people tend to just stop participating for one reason or another (or none), and the numbers here do not seem to me to be large at all." CreationDate="2013-09-09T06:40:23.457" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3571" PostId="792" Score="8" Text="Of the 5 living 10k users on the list of missing people, 2 essentially stopped participating after racing to 10k in the first six months of MO, one is (I think) busy editing Wikipedia, and I don't know the other 2 personally." CreationDate="2013-09-09T23:52:58.893" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="3566" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="I think the small tag [tag:projective-plane] (only 4) should very likely be removed (maby synonym or merge into [tag:projective-geometry]) For the two other larger ones, I do not know." CreationDate="2013-09-09T10:34:07.247" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3568" PostId="793" Score="3" Text="I think both should be merged.  However, I think some of the questions tagged with projective-space could benefit from a weighted-projective-space tag." CreationDate="2013-09-09T14:52:15.300" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="3581" PostId="793" Score="2" Text="There are non-Desarguesian projective planes, and the projective space tag would not always be appropriate for these. So having both tags is useful. (Potentially at least, since very few questions on this topic have been posed.)" CreationDate="2013-09-11T12:50:54.690" UserId="1266" />
  <row Id="3582" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="@Godsil: um, but I'd like to keep only [projective-geometry], not space." CreationDate="2013-09-11T18:47:57.860" UserId="5340" />
  <row Id="3590" PostId="793" Score="1" Text="I am only arguing that there are grounds for keeping the projective-plane tag. It seems very reasonable to drop the projective-space tag in favour of the projective-geometry tag." CreationDate="2013-09-12T00:12:05.843" UserId="1266" />
  <row Id="3601" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="@Godsil: ok, but in that case could projective-plane be a sub-tag of projective-geometry?  Or does the 5-tag limit stop that?" CreationDate="2013-09-12T06:36:28.920" UserId="5340" />
  <row Id="3644" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="I know nothing about 5-tag limits. The sub-tag issue itself could be argued both ways. To be consistent I would have to say that it should not be a sub-tag, but consistency is over-rated." CreationDate="2013-09-13T00:52:46.113" UserId="1266" />
  <row Id="3719" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="@ChrisGodsil does what you say apply to any of the questions *currently* tagged (there are only four so you might check) [tag:projective-plane]. I think (but could be wrong) it does not. So, the point seems somewhat moot. Since if there is no tag-wiki (which is true) there is hardly any notion of 'having a tag' or not.  Put differently, do you see an issue with *these four questions* being *retagged* projective-geometry?" CreationDate="2013-09-14T17:50:47.260" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3720" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="I do not see any issue with retagging those four questions." CreationDate="2013-09-14T19:09:15.130" UserId="1266" />
  <row Id="3574" PostId="796" Score="4" Text="Well, the reason is that the decision is written into the code for the software.  But that's kind of tautological.  It sounds like you're asking why the SE developers made that decision.  It's a measure of curiosity.  Some people have lots of views because they're &quot;famous&quot; (for mathematicians) and others because they're really aggressively annoying.  It's a curious measurement. There's probably other reasons!" CreationDate="2013-09-10T21:07:11.347" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="3586" PostId="796" Score="2" Text="http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/76903/popularity-contest" CreationDate="2013-09-12T00:00:47.943" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="3577" PostId="797" Score="2" Text="But perhaps it should be community wiki?" CreationDate="2013-09-10T23:59:54.677" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="3578" PostId="797" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke Yes, good point!" CreationDate="2013-09-11T00:06:50.467" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3583" PostId="798" Score="1" Text="I was not involved in the closing but I witnessed it.  I suspect it was the passive nature of the original question, asking other people to do all the work, when the question-asker could have done the work himself.  In the end, that's what happened.  I think people would have been happier if the question was asked in more of a can-do tone.  But presumably the question-asker did not know it's as easy as it is to do this kind of analysis." CreationDate="2013-09-11T19:06:05.827" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="3587" PostId="799" Score="1" Text="So MO, like the planet Earth, is mostly harmless. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostly_Harmless" CreationDate="2013-09-12T00:01:19.027" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="3589" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="It does suggest that we should think about long-term archiving of MathOverflow. Perhaps we should print the entire site to a giant PDF and put it on the arXiv. (This is at least half-serious.)" CreationDate="2013-09-12T00:11:02.897" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3591" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: I agree that there should be a long-term archiving plan (but putting it on the arXiv wouldn't make sense, or even be particularly useful if it lost all the structure).  Convincing a university library to archive it would be a good start.  There are probably people who have more useful contacts than I do, but I'd be happy to help with this." CreationDate="2013-09-12T00:39:24.620" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="3597" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="I think the first thing to do is to introduce a special status of problems/answers that cannot be altered, edited or removed." CreationDate="2013-09-12T03:03:20.253" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="3598" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="I do not think that putting a giant pdf file on the arxiv is a good idea. It will be impossible to find anything interesting in this hudge file. When I started using MO a year ago, I first tried to search for interesting problems, but soon gave up, and now I am only checking the new ones. What interests me in MO makes &lt; 1% of all problems, and I think this is the case for most users. Tags do not help much." CreationDate="2013-09-12T03:08:16.650" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="3609" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="@AlexandreEremenko I do not consider it as necessary to enforce that some posts cannot be edited. You mentione arXiv, also there people can and do post updated version (that is 'edit' their paper). Of course, old versions are preserved on the arXiv and if one wants to be sure one will mention the precise version. *And* this is exatly the same for MO. The full revision history stays visible. If you are worried about later edits mention the revision number of the post/the date." CreationDate="2013-09-12T10:22:44.160" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3610" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="Deletion could be a problem; but I think it should be quite rare and undeletion (which is always possible) could be handled on a case by case basis; every post is undelete-able. Also, it would seem better to me rather than to alter the functionality of the main site for some rare cases to perhaps create a mechanism to 'save a frozen copy' as a backup of something one quoted. If one does not insists on automating this a lot, it seems easy to do this." CreationDate="2013-09-12T10:24:59.513" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3611" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="All that is needed (for citing MO entries) is the ability to fix these entries, so that they are never altered/deleted, and their URL is fixed. The main principle with references in a published paper is that every cited reference must be available to any reader in the future." CreationDate="2013-09-12T12:34:08.363" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="3738" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="You can cite a specific version of a post, like arXiv, so future edits should not be a problem. In fact, if you are using the cite link under the questions it contains the date of the revision you are citing." CreationDate="2013-09-15T23:06:17.310" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4391" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="@quid - If questions or answers are deleted (which the users can do for their own content more or less as they please), then that content will not be generally visible through the site, and good content does sometimes get deleted.  It is possible to externally &quot;back-up&quot; site contents by using the site's data dump, but this is not useful for the community until someone (better, some institution) makes the effort to regularly keep and make visible their own mirror of the site contents." CreationDate="2013-10-08T12:52:03.300" UserId="3154" />
  <row Id="4420" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="@CharlesStewart 'more or less as they please' seems like quite an exaggeration. For questions it seems *completely* false as one can **not** delete ones aquestions as soon as it has an answer(s) with some upvote(s) (I do not know the precise thresholds by heart yet could looke them up but they are *very* low, something like one answer with score +1 or +2 suffices). I highly doubt there are that many questions that are so worthy of preservation that do not meet this. Also accepted answers cannot be deleted, which often will suffice in standard usecase for quoting (quote 'the' answer to ones q)" CreationDate="2013-10-09T15:16:12.170" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4551" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="@quid: I should have recalled the point about questions with answers, and I did not know that accepted answers could not be deleted - you are right.  That said, I think that Stack Exchange policy and implementation mean the site is not good as a reference resource without some kind of external archiving.  Some questions of interest to me on the Stack Overflow site were deleted, because despite their interest and quality of answers, they were regarded as being too &quot;soft&quot; some years later.  What happens to our high-quality soft questions if we have a regime change here?" CreationDate="2013-10-14T14:41:34.713" UserId="3154" />
  <row Id="4558" PostId="799" Score="0" Text="@CharlesStewart yes I do not disagree that MO in its current form is not optimal regarding archiving. Meanwhile there is a meta-thread dedicated to this. My point here is mainly that in practice the problem is not that big in my opinion and in any case I am against changing the core functionality of the site for what is actually (regarding frequency) a corner case. (In addition to me not following some of what is claimed in comments by OP, there are plenty of reference in the literature to private communcication, letters and what not where it is not at all true that they are available)" CreationDate="2013-10-14T16:22:47.493" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3593" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="Copies could be sent periodically to math departments (there is usually at least a library liaison). This could probably be done automatically, and universities that express interest could be added to the list." CreationDate="2013-09-12T01:25:33.647" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3594" PostId="800" Score="4" Text="I don't think the arXiv would make sense.  MO is way outside of the arXiv's mission, I don't think a periodically updated 100+ megabyte document would be a good fit, and there are serious format issues.  (A PDF snapshot couldn't hurt as supplementary information, but it shouldn't be the primary format for backups.)  On the other hand, the Internet Archive and academic libraries would both be great solutions." CreationDate="2013-09-12T02:12:39.507" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="3595" PostId="800" Score="10" Text="What I'd recommend is getting in touch with the Internet Archive, and also looking into a few universities with repositories based on DSpace or the like (e.g., dspace.mit.edu).  These repositories are often focused on work with some connection to the university, but they might make an exception for something of broad interest like MO.  The home universities of moderators or MO board members might have a particularly compelling reason to view archiving MO as part of their mission, but my guess is that it wouldn't be hard to get universities to do this." CreationDate="2013-09-12T02:27:06.693" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="3596" PostId="800" Score="5" Text="Might the AMS take an interest?  Even if they don't want to be directly involved in archiving, perhaps they have people with the right kind of expertise to advise." CreationDate="2013-09-12T02:52:25.467" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="3599" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="Does anyone know who the relevant people at the AMS would be? DSpace seems fantastic, and explicitly set up for creating new &quot;collections&quot;." CreationDate="2013-09-12T03:27:34.590" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3600" PostId="800" Score="2" Text="Librarians are such nice people. Mine says we should talk." CreationDate="2013-09-12T03:59:51.220" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3606" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="Related question: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/129 Public dumps for mathoverflow?" CreationDate="2013-09-12T09:04:19.553" UserId="5340" />
  <row Id="3676" PostId="800" Score="3" Text="Why PDF? It's so bloated compared to markdown (the format that MO posts are currently in) and I don't see any additional convenience." CreationDate="2013-09-13T10:52:52.527" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3702" PostId="800" Score="21" Text="Can't we trust the NSA to keep archives?" CreationDate="2013-09-13T20:26:00.380" UserId="450" />
  <row Id="3724" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="Yes, I'm convinced that PDF isn't a great idea. It's perhaps more convenient right now in some ways (some people are going to be more comfortable reading or printing PDFs which already have sensible margins, for example) but should be at most secondary to plain text, which is more likely to be useful in 10 years." CreationDate="2013-09-15T00:50:15.893" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3731" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: Sensible margins can be specified using CSS media types: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_mediatypes.asp" CreationDate="2013-09-15T18:26:20.610" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28924" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="@GeorgesElencwajg I am not sure if your comment about the NSA was meant as a serious suggestion, but assuming it was, the answer is no. Without going into too much detail, the short version is that this sort of archival project is highly vulnerable to budget cuts." CreationDate="2023-07-31T11:59:27.910" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="3690" PostId="801" Score="2" Text="As indicated in Anna Lear's answer, the torrent can be accessed [here](http://www.clearbits.net/creators/146-stack-exchange-data-dump)." CreationDate="2013-09-13T13:17:13.393" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="3607" PostId="802" Score="8" Text="This is incomplete. The query does not return http://arxiv.org/abs/1302.1659v2, which mentions MO." CreationDate="2013-09-12T09:12:18.737" UserId="11025" />
  <row Id="3678" PostId="802" Score="3" Text="The issue there seems to be that MO is only mentioned in a URL, so &quot;mathoverflow&quot; is not found as a word by the search.  There are probably others which insert a space, as in &quot;Math Overflow&quot; and are similarly missed, but I can't get arXiv search to work for me right now to check." CreationDate="2013-09-13T11:08:58.967" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="3700" PostId="802" Score="6" Text="It is great to have your query, but we should recognize that not probably not every citation of MathOverflow rises to the level of a &quot;success story&quot;. At least some of the papers arising in your query, for example, including some of my own papers there, are just making a small citation about a minor matter. So perhaps we should interpret the question as asking for instances of work that is more deeply connected with or inspired by something on MathOverflow." CreationDate="2013-09-13T19:16:09.027" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="3713" PostId="802" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins, agreed, perhaps I should have mentioned this search URL somewhere else." CreationDate="2013-09-14T03:22:10.263" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3714" PostId="802" Score="2" Text="Oh, I think it is fine here (and a similar query was mentioned already in the question)." CreationDate="2013-09-14T03:24:55.187" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="15328" PostId="802" Score="0" Text="Hmmm, this is weird - four year laters, that list has increased to 201, which seems to me to be a much lower increment than you'd expect. So maybe that search is missing some important bits." CreationDate="2017-11-29T15:20:57.953" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="3602" PostId="803" Score="1" Text="Just because the theme of some other chat does not look nice does not mean the chat should not have a theme. Does it even make sense to not have a theme? I mean, any graphical style it does have will be the theme." CreationDate="2013-09-12T08:11:52.823" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3603" PostId="803" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: yes, we could have a theme, but the currently used theme looks fine to me." CreationDate="2013-09-12T08:31:49.260" UserId="5340" />
  <row Id="3604" PostId="803" Score="0" Text="And indeed, it is the theme meant for MO (note that the question is fairly old and tagged with status-completed)." CreationDate="2013-09-12T08:36:44.417" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3605" PostId="803" Score="0" Text="Ah, I see. It would be nice if you could add that to the question itself, not only the tags." CreationDate="2013-09-12T08:56:31.927" UserId="5340" />
  <row Id="3608" PostId="803" Score="0" Text="I added a sentence to the question." CreationDate="2013-09-12T10:01:21.767" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3710" PostId="804" Score="0" Text="In short: yes, but not on the load; rather in the middle of typing an answer. It is not unusual that even the browser gets tired of it and suggests to turn off the script on the page after a couple of minutes." CreationDate="2013-09-14T02:06:47.663" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="3620" PostId="805" Score="1" Text="It would help if unnecessary TeXing was avoided especially in titles." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:34:12.773" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3622" PostId="805" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg I completely agree (as expressed elsewhere in more detail), especially for titles. But I am afraid it will not happen." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:43:28.357" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3612" PostId="806" Score="1" Text="Maybe ońe should contact the editor. These edits are really minor and the questions old." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:06:44.760" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3614" PostId="806" Score="4" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg: The editor is not the key problem, it's the reviewers who approved the edits who did them all at once." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:14:01.853" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3615" PostId="806" Score="1" Text="@François G. Dorais: That’s true, but OTOH notifying one editor of the problem is feasible, whereas notifying all potential reviewers is not." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:17:34.543" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="3616" PostId="806" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, it is both but I agree with Emil. I normally reject all minor edits, especially on old questions but I suspect I am in the minority and in any event I almost never review because in the mobile version of the site the Review section is not so accessible." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:25:14.010" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3617" PostId="806" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek: I can (and will) notify the reviewers in question. I don't think it's their fault though since the reviewing system encourages dealing with these in batches." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:28:06.257" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3621" PostId="806" Score="0" Text="I thought the system randomly assigns reviews to any currently active users with sufficient reputation (2K?). What I meant is that you can’t notify all of them *before* they have a chance of approving the edit, short of some kind of a site notice." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:43:07.687" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="3624" PostId="806" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: Yes, I can't catch it beforehand but I did write to the users who approved the recent batch to make them aware of the issue and to ask their input on ways to deal with it." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:52:12.657" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3625" PostId="806" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais what course of action would you propose for a reviewer in such a situation. I can approve/reject/skip. If I reject the edit, it is &quot;gone&quot; I think (except somebody else approves it of course) which seems highly inefficient. Now, if I skip, somboy else will get it possibly not being aware of the earlier edits or in any case in the same situation. Both to reject an edit because of timing (and thus 'destroying' the work that went into it) as well as some mass-skiping to spread it out seems unreasonable or infeasible." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:54:00.563" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3626" PostId="806" Score="0" Text="This was written before your last comment @FrançoisG.Dorais but I think it is sort of impossible to deal with this in a more reasonable way *once the edits are proposed*. The only thing I could imagine is that as soon as one notices siomebody proposing too many edits one tells them to stop. This is possible for normal users too as one can comment notify a person havin edited something so one could comment on a just edited post. [To avoid confusion, it was not me who apporved anything here.]" CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:56:15.230" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3627" PostId="806" Score="2" Text="I have just rejected a POINTLESS bit of TeXifying, and think those of us who find such edits should reject, contrary to @quid's remark" CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:57:03.370" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3628" PostId="806" Score="1" Text="@quid: Only a handful of users regularly look at suggested edits and most deal with them in batches. Raising awareness won't eliminate the problem but it will have some effect." CreationDate="2013-09-12T13:58:43.217" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3629" PostId="806" Score="2" Text="I should emphasise that my distaste for excessive editing here arises from my past experience doing some freelance copy-editing, which has led me to (a) believe in house style (b) wish sleeping dogs were left to rest unless waking them serves a purpose beyond making the editor feel pleased/busy/smug" CreationDate="2013-09-12T14:00:05.757" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="3630" PostId="806" Score="0" Text="I'm a reviewer who did a bunch of these at once.  I wasn't thinking about the problem this was causing in terms of bumping old questions.  There is no way to have an option to have an edit that doesn't bump?  I'm not really convinced this is a serious problem though." CreationDate="2013-09-12T14:02:01.107" UserId="3521" />
  <row Id="3631" PostId="806" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi if you think the edit is &quot;POINTLESS&quot; it is of course your right or perhaps even duty to reject it. What I said or at least meant to say is that I do not think it is a good idea to reject an edit you/I/one would otherwise approve *only* because of timing." CreationDate="2013-09-12T14:05:42.443" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3632" PostId="806" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais not at all sure about this. I am third by number of reviews so can be considered very active there. Hardly ever do I come across there being more than 2 pending suggestions. More generally, most of the time all suggestions are dealt with very or quite close in time they are suggested. Some are more one the site and/or quicker to react than others, but in principle I think not few look at these suggstions, also as the pending suggestions are made so very visible (as opposed to other review types)." CreationDate="2013-09-12T14:12:15.210" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3633" PostId="806" Score="1" Text="@quid: Indeed, you almost never review more than 2 edits in a row. Other users do long batches of 5 or more in a row. Those are the reviewers that need to be aware of this issue." CreationDate="2013-09-12T14:19:50.463" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3634" PostId="806" Score="4" Text="@KarlSchwede. I think it is a real problem. At the moment the oldest post on the front page is 6 hours old and on a regular day the oldest would be maybe twice that. If you're asking a technical question that only one or two users on the site know how to answer, then the chance that one of these people sees your question drops drastically if posts get bumped off the front page this quickly." CreationDate="2013-09-12T14:22:03.407" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="3635" PostId="806" Score="1" Text="@DanPetersen I understand, I just tend to look only at tags I am interested in, via the &quot;newest&quot; tab.  In which case this sort of thing never shows up.  I realize that other people display things differently, but I'm not quite sure what the correct thing to do is (see quid's comments)." CreationDate="2013-09-12T14:27:04.950" UserId="3521" />
  <row Id="3636" PostId="806" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I do not want to insist too much on this, but I just roughly checked the history, ignoring the last hours, the first time I found a string of 5 was on August 23rd! There was none of size 4 until that time, and a handful of 3-strings. It simply hardly ever happens that anybody would even have the chance to make such a long string as typically there simply is no sizeable batch." CreationDate="2013-09-12T14:43:46.330" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3643" PostId="807" Score="4" Text="I think you're letting perfect be the enemy of good. If someone want to do some serious &quot;history&quot; on MathOverflow, that's great, but no one here has the interest or ability to do it. I'm really only concerned with ensuring that a link in a paper to a MathOverflow question can be resolved (possibly 'by hand') to some version of the content, even assuming non-cooperation (or non-existence) of SE. It seems that http://archive.mathoverflow.net/question/1234, hosted by a university library, containing the 'last known' version of the page, rendered as PDF, would suffice." CreationDate="2013-09-12T23:46:50.743" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3679" PostId="807" Score="4" Text="Why should such sociological commentary be part of the archive? There are already academics who study MO (in the sociological sense) and they publish their work in scholarly journals and books that are preserved on their own. There is no need to integrate that into MO." CreationDate="2013-09-13T11:12:02.767" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3693" PostId="807" Score="1" Text="MathOverflow is not a database.  Nor is it a collection of PDFs.  We could argue what MathOverflow is (or, to stick to this post, what an archive of it should be), but it might be better just to make a thing that serves many of the purposes of an archive instead.  Scott Morrison's suggestion of a collection of PDFs seems good, but makes the assumption that PDF will be an available format long term.  I do not make that assumption in the post above; I argue that more than one thing be created until we know what would make a really good archive, letting good be a guide towards perfect." CreationDate="2013-09-13T15:02:32.330" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="3645" PostId="811" Score="2" Text="Or, in a more constructive manner, maybe the association bonus should only be for beta sites..." CreationDate="2013-09-13T00:57:32.723" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3646" PostId="811" Score="8" Text="Here is a [list of users with no questions or answers](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/137109/users-with-no-questions-or-answers), ranked according to the number of votes they've made. There's actually fewer than I expected." CreationDate="2013-09-13T01:21:07.410" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3648" PostId="811" Score="5" Text="See also http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/183109/the-association-bonus-should-not-enable-users-to-vote-on-every-site" CreationDate="2013-09-13T01:27:10.550" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3649" PostId="811" Score="14" Text="Maybe axe the +2 rep for suggested edits while you're at it." CreationDate="2013-09-13T01:49:19.177" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3650" PostId="811" Score="5" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg: Why not make that a separate feature request? Piling it on to this one just increases the chances that neither happens!" CreationDate="2013-09-13T01:58:10.697" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3651" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="@FrancoisGDorais, Has any feature request happened?" CreationDate="2013-09-13T02:13:01.390" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3652" PostId="811" Score="1" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg: Yes. Also, if you don't make an explicit request, MO moderators (like Scott and I) have a very hard time convincing SE that our community supports such requests when it comes time to make a case for them..." CreationDate="2013-09-13T02:55:29.630" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3653" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="Isn't this very post a feature request? It is tagged as though it is. Is there some other way to make feature requests?" CreationDate="2013-09-13T03:23:37.230" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="3654" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="@Joel: Yes, this is a feature request.  (François is suggesting that Benjamin Steinberg make a new feature request for the *separate* issue of points for suggested edits.)" CreationDate="2013-09-13T03:38:26.013" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="3655" PostId="811" Score="3" Text="A variant of Scott's query that omits users with no votes: http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/137127/users-with-no-questions-or-answers" CreationDate="2013-09-13T03:51:48.763" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3656" PostId="811" Score="6" Text="*Here is a list of users with no questions or answers,...* In my opinion, having no questions or answers does not necessarily mean that the person is not qualified to vote. For example, one of the people in your list is [Dave L. Renfro](http://mathoverflow.net/users/35819/dave-l-renfro); many of MO users probably know him from sci.math." CreationDate="2013-09-13T05:28:38.163" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3658" PostId="811" Score="2" Text="Perhaps I would add that for many online communities I have seen recommendation to be a *leecher* (for a lack of better word) before starting contributing. It is often useful to hang around the site, know better the community standards and so on. Association bonus allows people active at other SE sites to start slowly, by posting occasional comments or voting. (I certainly understand arguments against the association bonus, but it also has some positives. I believe that some of them have been mentioned in previous discussions, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.)" CreationDate="2013-09-13T05:35:40.100" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3659" PostId="811" Score="11" Text="Which powers that the association bonus grants are actually the problem? Some of the are pretty useful, but completely harmless like the ability to add images and unlimited links to posts. If the problem lies only with the voting, or with the commenting privilege, a more specific change might be better than removing the entire association bonus. (Another idea with some more consequences would be to ask SE to put the voting privilege at 102 rep or higher, though this would affect every user)" CreationDate="2013-09-13T05:40:48.447" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="3662" PostId="811" Score="4" Text="@MadScientist, I had in mind voting, commenting, and the ability to edit posts. I'm not sure why anyone who hasn't earned some reputation on MO should be able to do these things." CreationDate="2013-09-13T05:48:24.490" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3665" PostId="811" Score="5" Text="@ScottMorrison Editing is only suggested edits, and you don't even need the association bonus for that. And those edits have to be approved by the community. If bad edits are getting through, then the problem lies more with the reviewers that approve them." CreationDate="2013-09-13T05:51:58.737" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="3666" PostId="811" Score="4" Text="@MadScientist, Ah, I hadn't realized that even completely new users can suggest edits. My mistake." CreationDate="2013-09-13T06:04:08.387" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3672" PostId="811" Score="5" Text="@MadScientist it is not completely correct there is *only* suggested edits; *CW posts* can be edited 100+, so just with association-bonus. However, this is a minor point as it does not seem to be the source of most problems we have, and I rather agree with the suggestion you put forward in general." CreationDate="2013-09-13T09:22:18.347" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3684" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="I had thought the association bonus is what allowed all the suggested edits." CreationDate="2013-09-13T13:01:03.500" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3685" PostId="811" Score="2" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg There are no requirements at all to submit suggested edits, you can check this by opening the site in your browser's incognito mode, selecting any question and click on the &quot;improve this question&quot; link." CreationDate="2013-09-13T13:03:30.027" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="3687" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist, I see this now after Scott's comment. I had said &lt;EM&gt;had&lt;\em&gt;." CreationDate="2013-09-13T13:06:44.873" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3701" PostId="811" Score="5" Text="@MartinSleziak Actually, this is presumably a side effect of migration since the other [Dave L Renfro](http://mathoverflow.net/users/15780/dave-l-renfro) does have 9 answers and hasn't been seen since migration day." CreationDate="2013-09-13T19:52:04.533" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3704" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="Thanks for clarification @FrançoisG.Dorais. I did not notice that." CreationDate="2013-09-13T20:54:46.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3660" PostId="813" Score="1" Text="Users that receive the association bonus should know better than to post comments as answers. That is not always the case, but bad comments have the additional problem of low visibility to mods and the community, they don't bump and can remain undetected for long unless they are flagged." CreationDate="2013-09-13T05:44:23.333" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="3661" PostId="813" Score="2" Text="Good point. Maybe if the OP clarifies what exactly is the problem he experienced now, my post will become totally irrelevant for this post and I can delete it. (You asked for clarification in [your comment](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/811/cancel-the-association-bonus/813?noredirect=1#comment3659_811) *Which powers that the association bonus grants are actually the problem?*, too." CreationDate="2013-09-13T05:47:57.353" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3667" PostId="813" Score="1" Text="BTW [this discussion](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/10892/why-my-answer-was-deleted-converted-to-comment-and-then-deleted#comment41118_10893) suggests that posting answer instead of comment is the correct way to go for users with insufficient rep. (Although no links to official guidelines are given there to support those claims.)" CreationDate="2013-09-13T06:37:47.347" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3670" PostId="813" Score="4" Text="re comment via answer: this indirectly came up here http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/638/why-adding-a-comment-requires-50-reputation-points For this site François G. Dorais comment there could be considered as 'official documentation' that this is the way to proceed *if* the comment is important." CreationDate="2013-09-13T09:16:18.820" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11339" PostId="813" Score="0" Text="I agree mainly." CreationDate="2015-09-28T00:37:07.943" UserId="80790" />
  <row Id="3686" PostId="815" Score="0" Text="Would having an ISSN have beneficial consequences?  They're particularly useful for serials with titles that are vague, ambiguous, or difficult to search for.  However, I doubt it would ever be easier to look up MO via ISSN than via the name &quot;mathoverflow&quot;.  (On the other hand, maybe there would be other benefits.  Do librarians take serials with ISSNs more seriously?)" CreationDate="2013-09-13T13:04:50.263" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="3688" PostId="815" Score="2" Text="@Henry: My understanding (which is limited) is that librarians do classify serials with ISSNs differently. Though, I don't think it matters that much for practical purposes. My personal view is that an ISSN would &quot;certify&quot; that MathOverflow is not ephemeral and has lasting value." CreationDate="2013-09-13T13:10:26.473" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3691" PostId="815" Score="0" Text="Also, an ISSN seems to be a requirement for inclusion in some listings, such as the Keepers Registry from my other answer." CreationDate="2013-09-13T13:37:26.473" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3692" PostId="815" Score="0" Text="@HenryCohn this might not (but perhaps eventually it might) be relevant for MO, but I do know that some 'activity reports' for researchers explicitly distinguish also between non-refereed contributions according to whether the thing where one contributed has an ISSN (or ISBN) or  does  not have." CreationDate="2013-09-13T14:29:35.467" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3696" PostId="815" Score="7" Text="@quid, in that case, I'm looking forward to adding some 900 new &quot;publications&quot; to my CV! And doesn't the voting mechanism count as referring? ;-)" CreationDate="2013-09-13T16:03:11.503" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="3699" PostId="815" Score="2" Text="@Joel: This may not be as far fetched as you think if you believe those who say that academic micropublishing is inevitable." CreationDate="2013-09-13T19:12:53.707" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3703" PostId="815" Score="3" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins You are looking forward to this? Adding 900 items to a CV seems like an awful lot of busy-work to me! Good I am pseudonymous, also my 200 would be too much work. ;-) More seriosuly and generally, what I meant to convey is that also in some scientific evaluations having an ISSN can play a role (in general). What I could actually imagine is that overtime it becomes more common to see MO contrib as part of 'usual'  (optional) scholarly activity. Say, like writing referee reports or perhaps closer reviewing for MathSciNet, which gets mentioned in a geenral/bulk form in some CVs." CreationDate="2013-09-13T20:30:36.033" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3705" PostId="817" Score="2" Text="I agree that for long-term storage, it is best to use a format (e.g., ASCII plain text) that requires minimal transformation to become human readable." CreationDate="2013-09-13T21:25:02.747" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="3707" PostId="817" Score="6" Text="I'd be inclined to preserve deleted material in the archives (marked as deleted).  There may be occasional cases where it would be useful, such as references in the literature to material that was later deleted by whoever posted it.  Deleted material is already available to nearly a hundred high-reputation users, who are allowed to distribute it under the terms of the CC license.  In principle putting it in the archives would make it a little more accessible, but frankly if someone cares enough to dig it up from the archives, I don't think there's any harm in letting them see deleted content." CreationDate="2013-09-14T00:09:45.873" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="3708" PostId="817" Score="1" Text="I think the design of the archive is probably important when considering deleted material. Option (b) is fine if the deleted content is cannot be discovered with too much ease. However, if each question comes along with all its answers (similarly to the actual site) then the redacted answers are perhaps too easy to find." CreationDate="2013-09-14T00:32:56.063" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3715" PostId="817" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, thanks for this very helpful answer. Perhaps at some point I'll see if I can generate a &quot;plain text&quot; version of MathOverflow from the dumps, that is simultaneously human readable with no software, but also clearly computer digestible, in case anyone had a future need to do that. Presumably I'll just generate one text file per question." CreationDate="2013-09-14T07:45:54.443" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3723" PostId="818" Score="3" Text="Even though I am the top user in order-theory (http://mathoverflow.net/tags/order-theory/topusers), could someone explain to me what is &quot;order theory&quot;? I don't usually use this term. Is it widely used in some areas?" CreationDate="2013-09-15T00:41:26.643" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="3728" PostId="818" Score="2" Text="At least one of the posts with label order-theory is about something called &quot;cyclically ordered sets&quot;." CreationDate="2013-09-15T13:40:06.307" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="3734" PostId="818" Score="2" Text="@Joel, see e.g. Gierz, Hofmann, Keimel, Mislove, and Scott,  &quot;Continuous Lattices and Domains&quot;, 2003. Although one might consider these questions to be about partial orders (or similar structures) I feel &quot;order theory&quot; is more common for the topics discussed in the book. Using &quot;partial orders&quot; to refer to all of these topics feels like using &quot;groups&quot; to refer to &quot;group theory&quot; and the theory of any structure build upon groups." CreationDate="2013-09-15T22:03:45.363" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4200" PostId="818" Score="0" Text="Joel, I'm genuinely surprised at your puzzlement. Order theory is, naturally, the theory of order(s) -- e.g. from where I'm sitting now, I can stretch out my arm and pick up Davey and Priestley's undergraduate textbook *Introduction to Lattices and Order*. People in different areas use the word &quot;order&quot; in slightly different ways (just as people in different areas use the word &quot;ring&quot; in slightly different ways, but &quot;ring theory&quot; is still a useful term). Presumably most mean partial order, but some might mean total order, preorder, etc.; they're all bound up together." CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:34:31.747" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="4249" PostId="818" Score="0" Text="@Tom, of course I am very familiar with that theory; I just don't often hear it described as &quot;order theory&quot;. But perusing google with that term, it seems that the explanation is that this usage of &quot;order theory&quot; is more common among category theorists." CreationDate="2013-10-03T13:51:31.173" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="3716" PostId="819" Score="0" Text="I undeleted since that was exploiting the system. Once your answer gains a few votes, the OP will no longer be able to unilaterally delete their question." CreationDate="2013-09-14T12:41:10.273" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3717" PostId="819" Score="0" Text="Thanks, François. I think probably it was not exploitation, but just lack of knowledge about what he or she was supposed to do." CreationDate="2013-09-14T12:42:55.583" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="3721" PostId="820" Score="6" Text="Now, with tag-wikis this problem could be addressed by writing one. Of course, somebody might still not read it and use a wrong tag, but then there are many reasons why people use wrong tags." CreationDate="2013-09-14T22:30:41.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3838" PostId="822" Score="0" Text="I thought the trend in comments was opposite to how Andy Putnam takes it.  I thought people were saying order theory is better for question relating order to other structures, and poset was better for more strictly poset questions.  That view persuaded me, but perhaps I misunderstood.  I don't think I have used either tag or particularly looked for either." CreationDate="2013-09-18T11:57:07.530" UserId="38783" />
  <row Id="3854" PostId="822" Score="3" Text="@Colin McLarty : My last name is spelled PutMAN..." CreationDate="2013-09-19T19:28:35.017" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="3725" PostId="823" Score="14" Text="There was a special sale today: upvote twice, get a free downvote!" CreationDate="2013-09-15T04:53:50.417" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="3722" PostId="824" Score="5" Text="Ah! I did not notice that it'd been CWed. Thanks." CreationDate="2013-09-14T23:24:47.110" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="3739" PostId="826" Score="2" Text="I'd suspect that this simply wouldn't be used. Until it's in widespread use, it won't occur to anyone to use it." CreationDate="2013-09-16T00:33:16.823" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3740" PostId="826" Score="0" Text="Your last paragraph is very interesting, however!" CreationDate="2013-09-16T00:33:27.950" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3741" PostId="826" Score="1" Text="@Scott: Yeah, it's not a complete idea but I think it's a good lead. As I tried to communicate in the preamble, I'm hoping that creative minds will cooperate toward something much better. The last paragraph does reflect some of my long term thoughts for MO, independently of the ideas that led to it in this post." CreationDate="2013-09-16T00:47:30.710" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3742" PostId="826" Score="0" Text="@Scott: Also, regarding your first comment (and some unrelated discussions we had recently), wouldn't it be awesome if we had a decent place to publicize this kind of features?" CreationDate="2013-09-16T00:57:54.090" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3743" PostId="826" Score="0" Text="Perhaps we should ask to turn on mathoverflow.blogoverflow.com" CreationDate="2013-09-16T01:40:09.703" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3744" PostId="826" Score="0" Text="@Scott: I'm iffy about having that also being hosted by SE. Also, we need people to take care of it (whatever it ends up being). Unless one of us suddenly volunteers, it would have to be someone new." CreationDate="2013-09-16T03:41:53.610" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3853" PostId="826" Score="1" Text="I think the discussion has reached the point where it is clear that something should be preserved, and that it is unclear what the something is.  Perhaps it should be subsumed as part of a larger project (e.g. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/122125/math-annotate-platform ), where it will become clear what is to be preserved.  For example, I always hoped MathOverflow would morph from a series of reference requests to a collection of well written pointers to the literature, especially to free collections.  Gerhard &quot;Sometimes Nowhere Near The Box&quot; Paseman, 2013.09.19" CreationDate="2013-09-19T19:26:03.100" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="3855" PostId="826" Score="2" Text="In particular, if MathOverflow influenced the redesign of the storage, production, and accessibility of mathematical knowledge, and the new object became so useful that it left MathOverflow in the dust, I would attend MathOverflow's wake and sing its praises, and then go use the new tool.  Gerhard &quot;And Maybe Attend Anniversary Parties&quot; Paseman, 2013.09.19" CreationDate="2013-09-19T19:29:24.833" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="3745" PostId="828" Score="6" Text="I've taken the liberty to reword your title so someone looking at the meta front page knows what the question is about, and also of removing your parenthetical preamble, as it didn't seem to add anything." CreationDate="2013-09-16T04:49:01.163" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3746" PostId="828" Score="0" Text="Feel free to revert either or both change, of course." CreationDate="2013-09-16T04:49:10.337" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3748" PostId="828" Score="3" Text="Michael has had a number of heavily downvoted posts on meta recently; on many of those posts I've largely agreed with the (presumed) intent behind those downvotes. This question is, in my opinion, a very reasonable question. Can we please attempt to be civil and constructive here, irrespective of the history? In particular, please don't downvote anonymously." CreationDate="2013-09-16T05:49:56.127" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3750" PostId="828" Score="14" Text="You're only talking about downvotes. Do you also think anonymous upvotes are objectionable? Why/why not?" CreationDate="2013-09-16T05:58:21.860" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="3754" PostId="828" Score="7" Text="I think it's quite common for at least one person to explain why they've downvoted in a comment--it seems unnecessary to make everyone explain (especially since, in most cases, people are downvoting for the same reasons)." CreationDate="2013-09-16T07:34:42.493" UserId="6950" />
  <row Id="3767" PostId="828" Score="60" Text="&quot;A non-anonymous downvote would make it possible for me to ask the person specifically what the objection is.&quot; I think this is a good argument *in favor of* anonymous downvotes. If I downvote a question/answer then I have NO interest in receiving an e-mail a few hours later demanding that I explain myself. If I want to communicate something to the person I'm downvoting I can leave a comment (or upvote an existing one), and if I don't then I probably really don't want to get drawn into an extended e-mail discussion with this person." CreationDate="2013-09-16T14:34:36.687" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="3771" PostId="828" Score="16" Text="+1000 to Dan Petersen." CreationDate="2013-09-16T15:29:28.777" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="3784" PostId="828" Score="0" Text="@DanPetersen : I was not suggesting that only down-voters should be identified; rather I was suggesting that there are certain concerns about those that are different: the original poster MAY NOT KNOW that the reason for the down-vote was _not_ actually that the voter doesn't like the football team favored by the original poster.  Presumably when one posts, one knows of reasons for posting but does not know reasons not to post." CreationDate="2013-09-16T19:06:29.963" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="9911" PostId="828" Score="1" Text="Since this anonymity applies throughout the stackexchange system, maybe this question should be asked (or even has been asked) at a higher level." CreationDate="2015-03-04T14:10:27.783" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13937" PostId="828" Score="2" Text="@GeraldEdgar In fact, there are several related posts on meta.SE, for example [Is down voting supposed to be anonymous?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/85529) (Somewhat delayed reply to your comment - prompted mainly by the fact that a similar question was recently asked on this meta. Perhaps the meta.SE link might be useful for users who stumble upon this older thread.)" CreationDate="2017-01-30T08:23:49.737" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3782" PostId="829" Score="0" Text="I don't see how your second bullet point makes any sense.  How could the removal of a &quot;rubbish question&quot; be retarded by an ability to see who votes on it?  Removal doesn't depend on up-votes or down-votes, does it?  Why can't it be removed just as fast if nobody votes on it or people who up-vote or down-vote it are identified?" CreationDate="2013-09-16T19:02:47.087" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="3787" PostId="829" Score="2" Text="10 downvotes results in the question being deleted." CreationDate="2013-09-16T22:01:03.370" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3788" PostId="829" Score="3" Text="@ScottMorrison Do you have a reference for this claim (10 dv -&gt; deletion)? I doubt this is true. See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18833476/reverse-an-array-recursively-using-recursion for an example of a question (without answer!) at -14 (on SO, but I doubt this is different there). It is however true that score can be relevant related to (auto)deletion of (closed) questions and also can have an effect for questions being on the frontpage or not." CreationDate="2013-09-16T22:47:00.680" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3789" PostId="829" Score="1" Text="Hrm, you're right. The &quot;community user&quot; does delete and lock questions, but the criteria is more complicated, and presumably involved spam flags too." CreationDate="2013-09-17T00:41:56.900" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3790" PostId="829" Score="7" Text="Regardless of auto-deletion, if I see a heavily down-voted question on the front page, I'm likely to click through and consider deleting it. Those down-votes act as a useful signal." CreationDate="2013-09-17T00:43:20.313" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3815" PostId="829" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison Downvotes alone never delete a post. 6 spam/offensive flag will remove and lock a post. And there is some cleanup of older closed or unanswered questions with a negative score. But downvotes alone can't remove a post." CreationDate="2013-09-17T14:24:24.077" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="3825" PostId="829" Score="2" Text="If a question has negative total vote and remains unanswered for a few months then it is automatically deleted. But a question with answers with positive vote is not even if it have very high negative vote." CreationDate="2013-09-18T00:03:48.673" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="3826" PostId="829" Score="4" Text="Regarding the anonymity, I think it is not much different from why we would like the reviewers to remain anonymous to the authors. The only difference is we might want to encourage a constructive feedback more. The system already shows a note when someone down-votes a posts reminding them to comment." CreationDate="2013-09-18T00:08:15.473" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="3829" PostId="829" Score="4" Text="Another possible feature-request is to allow anonymous comments for users with high enough reputation. There can be some possible negative consequences that needs to be thought about (but the system can allow moderators to check the identity of the author if something bad happens and ban anonymous commenting feature for users abusing it). Aside from that there might be also be technical reasons that make anonymous commenting feature difficult to implement." CreationDate="2013-09-18T00:10:53.607" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="18897" PostId="829" Score="0" Text="&quot;It is important to the site that good questions receive high vote counts, and bad questions receive high negative vote counts.&quot;-This is not working very well on this site." CreationDate="2019-04-20T13:12:05.827" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="3792" PostId="831" Score="3" Text="There is a feature-request on meta.SO, which is marked as ([meta-tag:status-declined]): [Please enable low-rep users to easily breakout up and down votes on their own questions](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/40480/please-enable-low-rep-users-to-easily-breakout-up-and-down-votes-on-their-own-qu). One of the answers there mentions a bookmarklet which should enable this feature for low-rep users, too. (I have not tried it.)" CreationDate="2013-09-17T06:16:57.887" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3814" PostId="831" Score="6" Text="+1 because I did not know about this feature until I read your post." CreationDate="2013-09-17T14:06:53.817" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="3852" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="I'm going to bring this up internally to see if views have changed. It's still something you should _earn_, but we keep that, as you can only see vote counts on your own posts. Please be patient, it'll be about a week before we meet again for feature stuff." CreationDate="2013-09-19T16:53:04.370" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="4045" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="This _should_ be discussed Oct 4, 2013 - I'll post an update shortly after." CreationDate="2013-09-27T15:50:50.823" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="12831" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="@Tim Post an update where?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T15:53:41.283" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="3795" PostId="832" Score="0" Text="Thanks Scott! Moderator analytics (closed &amp; deleted posts) doesn't seem to be compatible. There, I see that the number of closed questions is roughly stable in the 10-15 range (which is higher than the roughly stable 5-10 range prior to moving to SE). Any thoughts what the difference between the two data sets?" CreationDate="2013-09-17T10:45:04.847" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3796" PostId="832" Score="0" Text="Also, the recent rise seen in the graphs here doesn't seem to fit what I would expect from autodeletion according to [the description](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/173513)." CreationDate="2013-09-17T10:54:17.943" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3798" PostId="832" Score="3" Text="This is interesting data. But for reasons explained earlier, I would be more interested to know the &quot;closed+deleted&quot; percentage and also over a year or even slightly more. I believe (but have to confess I did not check) this is not easy to get for me as deleted content is not in general dumps/data." CreationDate="2013-09-17T12:23:44.547" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3799" PostId="832" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais re deletion: I for one delete a lot less now after the move, there are several reasons: 1. I hope for the autodeletion (but sometimes it should not kick-in as the score will be 'too good') 2. the limitation of delete votes per day is a serious pain for me; deletionn was a thing, essentially the only one, I often did in batches when I had time. (also 3. general lack of time) What could be an issue with the data are the migrated questions that do get deleted but *only* after a month, which could have *serious* influence on the 'end' of the graph." CreationDate="2013-09-17T12:27:37.407" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3800" PostId="832" Score="0" Text="And also auto-deletion should hardly delete much more than was anyway deleted at least somewhat before the move, say during 2013, where I think really only quite few things fell through the cracks of manual deletion and a very significant proportion of closed questions got deleted (often 48h+epsilon after closure)." CreationDate="2013-09-17T12:34:33.343" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3821" PostId="832" Score="1" Text="Okay, I'll ask the SE guys for statistics on deletions. I agree these charts would be much more useful with this." CreationDate="2013-09-17T23:25:22.820" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5063" PostId="832" Score="0" Text="Can you redo these graphs now that we have more data?" CreationDate="2013-10-30T19:19:55.500" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="3802" PostId="833" Score="0" Text="+1. -- Though I wonder whether there is a specific reason for bringing this up as a question?" CreationDate="2013-09-17T12:54:11.910" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3803" PostId="833" Score="6" Text="@StefanKohl: Some users have expressed that this info is not easy to find, this is one more way to find it..." CreationDate="2013-09-17T12:55:43.443" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3818" PostId="836" Score="8" Text="MO allows only one answer per question to be &quot;accepted&quot;. Thus you need to decide." CreationDate="2013-09-17T20:07:26.953" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3820" PostId="837" Score="3" Text="That's weird, why are people downvoting this?" CreationDate="2013-09-17T23:09:03.920" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3822" PostId="837" Score="8" Text="@ScottMorrison Maybe to increase the difference to 10?" CreationDate="2013-09-17T23:55:07.067" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3823" PostId="837" Score="11" Text="My guess is that people don't like the downvoting suggestion. But I'm not sure." CreationDate="2013-09-18T00:01:41.377" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3824" PostId="837" Score="1" Text="@AndresCaicedo, voting on meta has no reputation effect." CreationDate="2013-09-18T00:03:13.953" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3827" PostId="837" Score="2" Text="@ScottMorrison Which is both true, and a non sequitur." CreationDate="2013-09-18T00:09:22.570" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3830" PostId="837" Score="0" Text="@AndresCaicedo, I'm confused: wasn't your suggestion that people might be downvoting to increase the difference in the points that the two answerers might receive to 10, and I replied that they couldn't change that difference, because it would always be zero?" CreationDate="2013-09-18T00:11:57.263" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3831" PostId="837" Score="19" Text="@ScottMorrison Not seriously, the difference in this case is in score, not in reputation. Seriously, the proposal of downvoting a correct answer is absurd." CreationDate="2013-09-18T00:13:43.247" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3833" PostId="837" Score="6" Text="Can one of the mods please delete this suggestion (instead of merely rephrasing it as absurd) so that it does not come across as officially-approved?" CreationDate="2013-09-18T03:06:45.693" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="3839" PostId="837" Score="4" Text="It is not just that the suggestion of downvoting seems mean.  To me, anyway, the problem here is that reputation is meant to be a broadly aggregated guide to community feeling, and some fun, and both of those purposes are damaged when it becomes a target for manipulation." CreationDate="2013-09-18T12:04:11.547" UserId="38783" />
  <row Id="3842" PostId="837" Score="0" Text="@ColinMcLarty I do not understand your comment. The intent of the suggestion seems to be to distribute reputation points in as fait a manner as possible. (Equal answer should receive equal credit, yet one 'must' be accepted, hence this suggestion.) So, on a reputation scale this suggestion in my mind tries to precisely minimize the 'manipulation' intrinsic to the fact that sometimes there is no one best answer and still one should be marked as such and get some then perhaps unfair bonus over the others." CreationDate="2013-09-18T21:45:34.827" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3843" PostId="837" Score="1" Text="But, I would say an issue with this suggestion is that answers *score* should reflect community approval of an answer (while accept refelcts OP's opinion), and the *score* gets somehow biased in this way. Since this biasing the score is relatively stronger, I think it is more of a problem and thus do not consider the suggestion as very good but rather think voting and accepting should be done rather independently." CreationDate="2013-09-18T21:45:57.907" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3845" PostId="837" Score="0" Text="There also is an equality/efficiency tradeoff. We might think it is good that good answers are rewarded and that people should get equal reputation for equal contributions. If we think the former aspect is more important, we might reject this suggestion (even after the edit)." CreationDate="2013-09-19T09:30:34.700" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="3846" PostId="837" Score="0" Text="Carnahan's proposal doesn't even suggest downvoting the accepted answer; it suggests upvoting the other answers." CreationDate="2013-09-19T09:41:10.360" UserId="39521" />
  <row Id="3848" PostId="837" Score="1" Text="@AdamP.Goucher clicking on &quot;edited [some time]&quot; in the middle at the end of the answer you can see earlier versions of the answer, which did mention the possibility of downvoting the accepted answer to blance point-distribution." CreationDate="2013-09-19T11:43:40.693" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3850" PostId="837" Score="1" Text="@quid Yes the intent of the suggestion is to enable posters to distribute reputation in what the poster deems a fair manner.  But I think the intent of the system is to aggregate the community feeling in some uniform way, giving the poster's view more weight than others but not as much weight as the suggested procedure would." CreationDate="2013-09-19T13:58:21.623" UserId="38783" />
  <row Id="3856" PostId="837" Score="1" Text="@ColinMcLarty but in my mind in the suggested procedure the porster's view has rather *less* weight than it could/does have in a more standard situation. Suppose the suggestion would have been: &quot;just upvote all the (good/equivalent) answers and accept none&quot; [which is a way some take I think in some situations, especially in CW; and would not unreasonale in my opinion as there is no urgent need for accepting an answer, though it typically should be done] Would this also be giving more weight to posters view than the intent of the system. (Current sugg is approx to this, while still accepting)" CreationDate="2013-09-19T20:07:15.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3858" PostId="837" Score="0" Text="@quid I am sure you are right that different ways of violating the intent of the point system could be more or less effective." CreationDate="2013-09-19T23:31:49.707" UserId="38783" />
  <row Id="3828" PostId="839" Score="7" Text="Do you have evidence to support the assertion that &quot;usually people choose the first given one&quot;? I could just as easily assert that people usually choose the one with the highest reputation, so as to curry favor with the bigwigs; or that people usually choose the one with the lowest reputation, to reward the one most needing the points; and so on. One example is not enough to support &quot;usually&quot;." CreationDate="2013-09-18T00:09:50.760" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="3835" PostId="839" Score="1" Text="I have observed it in almost all cases when two ore more answer are *very similar*, cases which are not that frequent however. But yes, I had the feeling that &quot;usually&quot; was too strong claim. MOre reasonable is &quot;sometimes&quot;." CreationDate="2013-09-18T06:03:18.860" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="3841" PostId="839" Score="3" Text="On purely anecdotal grounds, my experience is that indeed the first one given often wins the big points prize. (This effect seems much more pronounced over at MSE, which I've been spending time at recently, and which seems *insane* by comparison -- people constantly racing to be the first respondent, and with never-ceasing questions continually descending like snowflakes from the sky. It's really a mess over there!)" CreationDate="2013-09-18T16:54:29.293" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3851" PostId="839" Score="0" Text="My experience is that often if one of similar answers posted at a similar time gets an early one-point lead because of some random fluctuation, it is likely that people will continue to vote it up and it will get eventually accepted, presumably because it appears on the top of the page and people read it first. This is irrespective of which answer was actually given first." CreationDate="2013-09-19T15:31:57.313" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="3837" PostId="840" Score="6" Text="+1 for &quot;Don't worry about reputation too much, I think almost no one cares if they get 15 points more or 15 points less than others.&quot; I'm not sure whether that's true in practice, but I hope it is." CreationDate="2013-09-18T07:27:38.163" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="3866" PostId="840" Score="3" Text="&quot;I think almost no one cares if they get 15 points more or 15 points less than others.&quot; You'd be surprised how much people care about internet points." CreationDate="2013-09-20T05:54:51.723" UserId="13832" />
  <row Id="3859" PostId="842" Score="0" Text="Could someone check whether they seem the same problem and report here?" CreationDate="2013-09-20T01:09:49.803" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3860" PostId="842" Score="0" Text="Same problem here." CreationDate="2013-09-20T01:15:19.293" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3861" PostId="842" Score="0" Text="Okay, I've pinged SE." CreationDate="2013-09-20T01:16:21.113" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3862" PostId="842" Score="0" Text="Indeed. This only seems to be for the basic text search. Various other filters are working." CreationDate="2013-09-20T01:18:25.593" UserId="602" />
  <row Id="3885" PostId="849" Score="21" Text="No, they cannot see anything of the sort." CreationDate="2013-09-21T01:27:15.430" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3886" PostId="849" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Can absolutely no one see this information?  Can moderators not see it either?  What else can explain how old questions get upvoted the day after an answer has been upvoted, and correspondingly with downvoting?  Is it that the user sees that their answer has been upvoted or downvotes, not knowing by who, but then because of that they decide to look at the question again and vote on it?" CreationDate="2013-09-21T01:31:03.387" UserDisplayName="user40280" />
  <row Id="3887" PostId="849" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble Could it be some psychological thing, like when a user is upvoted, they think to themselves &quot;Wow, it looks like people really liked my answer.  That's great!  It was an excellent question after all, so I'm glad I answered it&quot;, and if they're downvoted they think to themselves &quot;My answer didn't do very well.  But what could I have done?  The question didn't really make much sense in the first place.&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-09-21T01:37:45.437" UserDisplayName="user40280" />
  <row Id="3888" PostId="849" Score="1" Text="I am only reporting what I know, speaking as a user with 24.1k rep. I think moderators have tools I don't have access to which might enable them to track voting patterns. I'm not sure what you are seeing or what you think you are seeing. I see now that Scott Carnahan has also answered, in a manner consistent with what I know." CreationDate="2013-09-21T01:40:53.603" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3889" PostId="849" Score="2" Text="If you want to know my opinion, though, I think your proposed explanation (the &quot;psychological thing&quot;) is extremely unlikely for high rep users." CreationDate="2013-09-21T01:43:08.333" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3890" PostId="849" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble Well, it might be a subconscious thing.  And the high-reputation users part may just be a coincidence; they're the ones who frequently answer questions, so it may just seem like it happens more often with them.  Or this could all be in my head, which is likely if no one else reports this phenomenon." CreationDate="2013-09-21T01:45:38.807" UserDisplayName="user40280" />
  <row Id="3893" PostId="849" Score="6" Text="I reeeeaaaalllllyyyy doubt it's some sort of subconscious reaction on the part of high-rep users. If there's something that's bumping the question to the front page, then people who hadn't seen the question before might be voting, pro or con." CreationDate="2013-09-21T01:55:12.577" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3894" PostId="849" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble No, this is about question threads that don't get bumped up at all.  I just upvote or downvote an answer, and then a little later I get the corresponding vote on my question.  And when this phenomenon occurs (assuming it's not in my head), it doesn't happen in the opposite direction, where I get a downvote after giving an upvote, or vice versa.  But as I said, I may be wrong about the high-reputation users thing.  It may just be that they comprise a lion's share of the answers, so I'm getting a misleading impression of them." CreationDate="2013-09-21T02:54:11.013" UserDisplayName="user40280" />
  <row Id="3896" PostId="849" Score="0" Text="I've nothing more to add, and don't know what to say. I've reported what facts I know." CreationDate="2013-09-21T03:12:31.407" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3901" PostId="849" Score="1" Text="So ... the question about why votes are anonymous may be relevant here ... http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/828/what-are-reasons-for-allowing-anonymous-voting" CreationDate="2013-09-21T13:05:39.190" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="3919" PostId="849" Score="0" Text="If you suspect fraudulent or malicious voting, contact the moderators and they will conduct an investigation." CreationDate="2013-09-21T23:37:22.760" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4031" PostId="849" Score="1" Text="I have a reputation of slightly under 60,000 on math.stackexchange.com and I am not able to see how anyone votes, other than myself." CreationDate="2013-09-26T04:35:20.533" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="4032" PostId="849" Score="1" Text=".....but perhaps I should add that organized bullying does exist on stackexchange and mathoverflow." CreationDate="2013-09-26T04:46:03.887" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="4041" PostId="849" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHardy Data?" CreationDate="2013-09-27T12:47:27.110" UserId="4661" />
  <row Id="4047" PostId="849" Score="2" Text="@Did : I would like to adduce data.  This present version of &quot;meta&quot; has existed only since the recent conversion to stackexchange.  If I had access to a searchable form of the old &quot;meta&quot;, than I would gather up the data and present it either here or to the moderators.  (BTW, contact information for one of the six moderators is nowhere to be found, and for four of the others, it is not on stackexchange; one must search the web.)" CreationDate="2013-09-27T22:20:38.640" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="4062" PostId="849" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHardy: http://tea.mathoverflow.net/search/" CreationDate="2013-09-28T06:23:40.810" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="4098" PostId="849" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHardy, as we've mentioned a number of times, e.g. http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/833/who-are-the-mathoverflow-moderators/ anyone can reach the moderators via moderators@mathoverflow.net." CreationDate="2013-09-30T03:49:35.000" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3891" PostId="850" Score="0" Text="Aren't the capabilities of moderators publicly available information?  http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges?tab=all http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/moderator-tools" CreationDate="2013-09-21T01:47:32.210" UserDisplayName="user40280" />
  <row Id="3892" PostId="850" Score="7" Text="The moderator tools accessible to 10k users form a strict subset of the full set of moderator tools.  For example, 10k users cannot suspend other accounts." CreationDate="2013-09-21T01:50:54.800" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="3895" PostId="850" Score="0" Text="This is about question threads that don't get bumped at all.  Now your more speculative explanation may be right, but if it is isn't that somewhat problematic?  Users rewarding a question because they liked that their answer was appreciated by someone, and downvoting a question because people didn't like they answer?.  On the other hand, it could just be that the users just take a closer look at a question for which they recently received a vote, which would be a good thing.  But then why the correlation between upvotes and upvotes and downvotes and downvotes?" CreationDate="2013-09-21T03:01:04.227" UserDisplayName="user40280" />
  <row Id="3899" PostId="850" Score="6" Text="@user40280 I don't really see a point in speculating further in the absence of hard data.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias" CreationDate="2013-09-21T12:18:54.780" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="3910" PostId="850" Score="1" Text="You're right, I might be suffering from confirmation bias, since I may not notice all the occasions in which this phenomenon did not occur." CreationDate="2013-09-21T16:36:44.680" UserDisplayName="user40280" />
  <row Id="3909" PostId="851" Score="0" Text="But then what explains the correlation of upvotes with upvotes, and downvotes with downvotes?  Are users more likely to upvote a question if they see their answer has been upvoted, and correspondingly with downvotes?  If so, isn't that somewhat problematic?" CreationDate="2013-09-21T16:35:42.113" UserDisplayName="user40280" />
  <row Id="3911" PostId="851" Score="1" Text="By the way, what is vote fraud?  Is that where users use sockpuppets to vote, or are there other forms of vote fraud?" CreationDate="2013-09-21T16:40:20.970" UserDisplayName="user40280" />
  <row Id="3912" PostId="851" Score="11" Text="@user40280 I don't think this discussion can go anywhere unless there is first hard evidence presented for this alleged correlation." CreationDate="2013-09-21T17:36:38.543" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3897" PostId="852" Score="10" Text="It's harder to collect points than it used to be?" CreationDate="2013-09-21T11:59:37.320" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="3898" PostId="852" Score="5" Text="Perhaps we've reached saturation; everyone who wants to be is already here?" CreationDate="2013-09-21T12:17:36.850" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3900" PostId="852" Score="4" Text="(Just for reference, the corresponding Stack Overflow numbers are 2022, 1484, 961, 498.)" CreationDate="2013-09-21T12:20:41.477" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3902" PostId="852" Score="7" Text="I agree with Gerry. You should see some up the positively orgiastic upvoting from the early days. The tendency to upvote answers has gone waaaaayyyy down since." CreationDate="2013-09-21T13:06:06.593" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="3904" PostId="852" Score="6" Text="I'm not sure Todd's effect is that significant since it's diminished by the fact that MO had fewer users in the early days. On the other hand, much of Gerry's effect is perhaps due to the higher number of users making it harder to get a first answer. Those things would be interesting to check." CreationDate="2013-09-21T14:16:20.077" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3930" PostId="852" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much to everybody for all the interesting answers and comments!" CreationDate="2013-09-22T20:22:01.927" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3942" PostId="852" Score="4" Text="If you are trying to measuer the rate at which new people join and become active, I would suggest measuring &quot;number of people who joined at time $t$ and had reputation $\geq 2500$ at time $t+\mbox{1 year}$&quot;, as a function of $t$. Otherwise, you are just pointing out that people who are excited about MO one year move onto another project the next." CreationDate="2013-09-23T14:00:47.253" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="6129" PostId="852" Score="2" Text="My personal take: when MO first came out I saw it as a great opportunity to ask 2 questions that had been on my mind for many years; I imagine that for many people there was a similar initial outburst, followed by a lot of browsing around, and eventually settling into more sporadic activity. Such decline in activity does not stem from any deficiency in MO" CreationDate="2014-01-01T08:33:01.097" UserId="2480" />
  <row Id="3905" PostId="853" Score="0" Text="This suggests looking at how many users earned N points in a given time span." CreationDate="2013-09-21T14:18:58.010" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3906" PostId="853" Score="0" Text="Yes I think this could shed further light on how easy or hard it was to get points in a give period of time. I might add data per quater later if/when I find the time." CreationDate="2013-09-21T14:46:45.203" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3907" PostId="853" Score="0" Text="That seems to require a bit more SQL skills than I have but I might try later on..." CreationDate="2013-09-21T14:47:47.680" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3913" PostId="853" Score="1" Text="Regarding Scott's point: I wonder how many people want to join but are put off at starting from scratch while &quot;competing&quot; with the existing rep leaders." CreationDate="2013-09-21T19:51:26.917" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="3915" PostId="853" Score="0" Text="Excellent! How did you get the data?" CreationDate="2013-09-21T21:33:22.883" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3916" PostId="853" Score="1" Text="I looked at some data for 2011. While the number of questions remained stable, the number of answers dropped from around 65/day to around 50/day around May. However, this is part of a long term steady decline that started in 2010 and ended around then." CreationDate="2013-09-21T22:20:36.600" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3917" PostId="853" Score="0" Text="I took it 'by hand' from http://stackexchange.com/leagues/251/quarter/mathoverflow the 500+ and 1000+ from the table on the side, and the x th user data by looking at the list." CreationDate="2013-09-21T22:21:35.187" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3918" PostId="853" Score="1" Text="Regarding the number of answers, I am not very surprised as this does correspond with my impression that earlier on it was somewhat more common to give somewhat overlapping answers and/or there were more somewhat 'openended' questions. Also, some of the neverendingliststhatcreatedanalmostinfinitestringofanswers could seriously bias this." CreationDate="2013-09-21T22:27:03.770" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3938" PostId="853" Score="0" Text="I added some data to illustrate my previous comment. (I excluded CW posts to omit big-lists.)" CreationDate="2013-09-23T11:32:39.353" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3939" PostId="853" Score="0" Text="MSE graduated from beta in October 2010 which coincides with the decline in number of answers. I can't think of a significant MO event in Spring/Summer 2011." CreationDate="2013-09-23T12:24:48.100" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3964" PostId="853" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the additions! When I noticed the drop I thought at first it was MSE in a direct way but then as you said it happened somewhat later. I am not sure, but in my recollection it took a while until the existence of MSE really started to manifest itself in the notion of 'research level' here and then the 3rd term seeems always slightly calmer. So it might be somehow the first summer with MSE that is visible." CreationDate="2013-09-24T12:37:41.693" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3903" PostId="854" Score="4" Text="Note that September 28 is [MathOverflow's Birthday](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/754)" CreationDate="2013-09-21T14:12:37.717" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3908" PostId="855" Score="6" Text="I think you're highly overestimating this effect, but if you really want to know: http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/975/users-with-more-than-one-duplicate-account-and-a-more-than-1000-reputation-in-agg" CreationDate="2013-09-21T14:58:09.790" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3921" PostId="855" Score="0" Text="François' link there only identifies duplicate accounts with the same email address." CreationDate="2013-09-22T00:49:14.697" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3922" PostId="855" Score="0" Text="amazing that one user has 148 unregistered accounts" CreationDate="2013-09-22T01:04:13.497" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="3923" PostId="855" Score="5" Text="@j.c. anonymous unregistered users often enter fake email addresses like anon@gmail.com. The first 3 entries correspond to such email addresses." CreationDate="2013-09-22T05:02:19.947" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="3914" PostId="856" Score="11" Text="The 5 points per questions were applied retroactively and the data in OP as well as all data mentioned is based on this retroactively modified counts. Thus there cannot be a *direct* effect of this. But it might still play a role in an indirect way, though I consider the other things you mentioned as quite more significant." CreationDate="2013-09-21T21:22:04.123" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3920" PostId="856" Score="0" Text="Ok. I missed that." CreationDate="2013-09-22T00:18:55.650" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3956" PostId="856" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, can I ask why you accepted this answer, which was based on a misunderstanding?" CreationDate="2013-09-24T02:01:05.800" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3957" PostId="856" Score="0" Text="I agree with Scott. I don't think that it even makes sense to accept an answer. Note that only the first sentence is a misunderstanding. I think it remains true that with MSE taking the easier questions and with a harder line on research level questions it both becomes harder to find questions you can answer and people who are interested enough in or understand enough an answer to upvote it." CreationDate="2013-09-24T02:51:20.220" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3967" PostId="856" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: I thought given that there are a couple of nice answers, I probably should choose one to &quot;accept&quot;. Since I had no particular feeling about which is the &quot;best&quot; of the given answers, I just took the one with the highest number of votes. Though, thinking about the issue, I agree with you and Benjamin that accepting an answer probably makes little sense here, and hence took it back." CreationDate="2013-09-24T12:58:52.610" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14539" PostId="857" Score="0" Text="I will add that basic information about StackEdit can be found in [this document](https://github.com/benweet/stackedit/blob/master/public/res/WELCOME.md). In particular, I will stress this part: &quot;Clearing your browser's data may delete all your local documents! Make sure your documents are synchronized with Google Drive or Dropbox.&quot;&#xA;If somebody want to look at some other editors which could be used for similar purposes, a few of them are mentioned in the answers to this question: [MathJax: better way to prepare a Math.StackExchange question?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4735)" CreationDate="2017-07-03T08:06:25.713" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="3924" PostId="858" Score="1" Text="We have both [tag:peano-axioms] and [tag:peano-arithmetic], both of which ought to be merged into the new tag." CreationDate="2013-09-22T17:52:31.780" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3925" PostId="858" Score="6" Text="Also, the tag [tag:arithmetic] ought to be deprecated since there are too many (wildly different) combos with arithmetic in them." CreationDate="2013-09-22T17:58:30.730" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3926" PostId="858" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I agree. I was actually thinking of saying something about [tag:arithmetic] in one of the questions we have on retagging, but it grew into its own thing." CreationDate="2013-09-22T18:03:17.417" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3927" PostId="858" Score="0" Text="As a layman in these matters, isn't reverse mathematics a relevant tag?" CreationDate="2013-09-22T19:08:39.940" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="3928" PostId="858" Score="0" Text="@FelipeVoloch It depends on the question, it is certainly relevant in some cases, but I do not think it applies all the time. François or other experts may have a stronger opinion." CreationDate="2013-09-22T19:11:51.070" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3929" PostId="858" Score="0" Text="@FelipeVoloch The traditional setting for reverse mathematics is second-order arithmetic whereas Peano arithmetic and fragments are first-order arithmetic theories. The two are, of course, strongly related but there are major differences." CreationDate="2013-09-22T19:45:14.223" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3936" PostId="858" Score="1" Text="It might be better to have two tags. &quot;Bounded-Arithmetic&quot; for very small theories which can be interpreted in Robinson's Q and one for stronger theories." CreationDate="2013-09-23T05:09:42.927" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="3937" PostId="858" Score="1" Text="One possibility for the second one is a tag containing &quot;PA&quot; but I think tagging questions which are not directly related to PA with such a tag might not be a good idea. Something like &quot;first-order-arithmetic&quot; looks more reasonable to me. On the other hand, we can use &quot;first-order-arithmetic&quot; to tag all of these questions." CreationDate="2013-09-23T05:11:54.077" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="3944" PostId="858" Score="1" Text="As one who does use these tags I agree with François G. Dorais: peano-axioms and peano-arithmetic ought to be merged into one tag. Actually I do not mind if that tag is the current Peano Arithmetic since I think that would naturally include fragments. The tag arithmetic ought to be deprecated." CreationDate="2013-09-23T14:32:04.933" UserId="38783" />
  <row Id="3946" PostId="858" Score="1" Text="I merged [tag:peano-axioms] into [tag:peano-arithmetic] (until a better name is found) and I marked [tag:arithmetic] as deprecated." CreationDate="2013-09-23T15:10:04.853" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4002" PostId="858" Score="0" Text="I think we should keep [tag:peano-arithmetic] in any case, there are question which are about Peano arithmetic and it works well for them. For a more general tag I think [tag:first-order-arithmetic] would be a good choice." CreationDate="2013-09-24T23:09:49.903" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4003" PostId="858" Score="0" Text="Yet another tag name can be &quot;subsystems-of-first-order-arithmetic&quot; or (&quot;subsystems-of-peano-arithmetic&quot;) but I think &quot;first-order-arithmetic&quot; would make then unnecessary." CreationDate="2013-09-24T23:11:23.600" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4026" PostId="858" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: Tags apparently have a maximum size of 25 characters: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/13274/147362. So your latter two nice suggestions won't work." CreationDate="2013-09-25T16:47:07.700" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="18283" PostId="858" Score="1" Text="I am not sure to which extent this discussion is still relevant - but it might be worth mentioning that the limit for the length of tag names is now 35 characters." CreationDate="2019-01-31T16:24:27.317" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28537" PostId="858" Score="1" Text="Probably it is worth mentioning (at least in a comment) that the tag ([tag:peano-arithmetic]) is now [a synonym](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/theories-of-arithmetic/synonyms) of ([tag:theories-of-arithmetic]). The synonym was created [in 2020](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/synonym-between-peano-arithmetic-and-theories-of-arithmetics)." CreationDate="2023-05-01T14:03:25.350" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29411" PostId="858" Score="0" Text="See also the 2020 question [Creating theories-of-arithmetic logic tag](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4738)." CreationDate="2024-01-02T16:26:54.940" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="3940" PostId="860" Score="5" Text="I think this throws up a more general question, namely whether in times of the internet it is really appropriate to make a contest with publicly available questions which are the same for every participant. -- As soon as the questions are published, with whatever motivation anybody in the world could post answers on whatever website, and participants of the contest could easily find them. Also, the legal possibilities for the organizers of the contest to request deletion would probably be quite limited." CreationDate="2013-09-23T13:40:43.973" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3941" PostId="860" Score="8" Text="@StefanKohl:  You may be right, unfortunately it's not clear what other system would work.  I don't know PRIMES situation in detail, but Mathcamp gets 200+ applicants, so certainly there's no way to write separate problems for each person.  Fortunately, people who are good enough at math to solve hard math problems typically don't want to try to sabotage math programs.  When this issue has come up almost always the answerer was not aware of the source of the problems." CreationDate="2013-09-23T13:52:50.850" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="3931" PostId="861" Score="3" Text="Would this be a tag someone with a question about a subsystem of Peano Arithmetic think of naturally? A tag they would consider? One they would search for? Otherwise there will be a lot of retagging and this will not be too useful." CreationDate="2013-09-23T02:54:06.040" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3934" PostId="861" Score="0" Text="It is what I thought of, and is better than &quot;weak&quot; or &quot;pa-fragment&quot;, in my opinion.  However, there may be a more appropriate modifier than &quot;weak&quot;." CreationDate="2013-09-23T03:07:53.837" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="3935" PostId="861" Score="8" Text="&quot;Proof system&quot; suggests something different, in my opinion." CreationDate="2013-09-23T03:09:20.877" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3949" PostId="862" Score="0" Text="Can you simply delete all tags that have &lt; x followers, where x is a positive integer the moderators set?" CreationDate="2013-09-24T01:08:36.667" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="3950" PostId="862" Score="4" Text="@Bill: That would delete a lot of seldom used tags, which is not the intent here." CreationDate="2013-09-24T01:10:59.313" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3954" PostId="862" Score="1" Text="Maybe not, François, but it would help to delete these tags." CreationDate="2013-09-24T01:48:41.897" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="3955" PostId="862" Score="8" Text="@BillJohnson, another objection is simply that many people don't use the 'favorite' and 'ignored' system, but tags are still useful to them. I don't think there's any guarantee that every &quot;interesting-to-someone&quot; tag is actually a 'favorite' of anyone." CreationDate="2013-09-24T01:59:21.570" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3965" PostId="862" Score="1" Text="I completely agree with @BillJohnson that there are too many tags and I think we should try to get rid of quite a number of them. One could discuss what is the best way to go about this, but that there are too many tags for me is a given. (And I write this as someone who actually read the pages over pages of tags, more than once.)" CreationDate="2013-09-24T12:44:35.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3970" PostId="862" Score="1" Text="By the way, is there a particular reason why MO uses its own classification of subjects in mathematics rather than a tag system along the lines of the MSC (http://www.ams.org/mathscinet/msc/msc2010.html)?" CreationDate="2013-09-24T13:28:51.200" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3971" PostId="862" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl MO uses the (simpler) [arxiv classification](http://arxiv.org/archive/math)." CreationDate="2013-09-24T13:41:27.200" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3975" PostId="862" Score="1" Text="Only a small part of the tags are actually arxiv tags. -- The arxiv classification doesn't go very much into detail, which is -- besides the easiness of creating new tags -- probably the reason for the many additional tags, including tags with unclear meaning and outright 'clutter tags' (though some of the latter have been removed in the course of the thread http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/642/tags-that-encourage-off-topic-questions)." CreationDate="2013-09-24T15:32:46.730" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3976" PostId="862" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: Yes, feel free to ask for the deletion of some clutter tags. (It's best to ask a question on meta since a some users like to assist in cleanup efforts.)" CreationDate="2013-09-24T15:42:45.147" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3978" PostId="862" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: I think the main point are not single inappropriate tags. Contrary to the top-level arxiv categories, the MSC is already fully-thought reasonably complete standard classification, and I think adopting it for MO would probably remove the need to think about adding or removing tags, about which tags are appropriate and which are not and about which tag means what. Or do you see a reason for MO's partial reinvention of the wheel here?" CreationDate="2013-09-24T15:53:18.510" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3979" PostId="862" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: Users are able to create their own tags. The system was [seeded with arxiv tags](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1/ignore-this-question) to get things going but there was no long-term plan to keep them. The main problem with MSC is that it's too large." CreationDate="2013-09-24T16:00:01.820" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3980" PostId="862" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: Sure, there are 4 or 5 times as many 5-digit MSC numbers than tags in MO -- but contrary to MO tags, the MSC is an hierarchical scheme. Thus if e.g. using two of the three levels is sufficient for MO, one could well restrict to that." CreationDate="2013-09-24T16:14:20.393" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3981" PostId="862" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: I agree but it's unlikely to change. See this [old discussion](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1380/arxiv-tags-was-cs-arxiv-tags/)." CreationDate="2013-09-24T16:16:58.990" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3985" PostId="862" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl, one problem with MSC numbers is that they are unintuitive numbers and so except for the ones I use frequently, I would not recognize most of them." CreationDate="2013-09-24T17:12:57.053" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3993" PostId="862" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg: Of course displaying just the numbers would be pretty bad. -- But every MSC number has a text attached to it, and that (or some shorthand in case it is long) might be displayed as a tag." CreationDate="2013-09-24T20:39:15.570" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="3994" PostId="862" Score="5" Text="@StefanKohl, the OP would still need to look up the code before posting." CreationDate="2013-09-24T20:49:50.013" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="11468" PostId="862" Score="4" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg: actually, they wouldn’t need to!  The auto-complete system here is clever enough that if a tag is called e.g. “54-XX-general-topology”, it will be suggested when you start typing “topology”.  Honestly, that would give a better lookup interface for the MSC than the current official ones…" CreationDate="2015-10-08T14:53:39.580" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="12012" PostId="862" Score="0" Text="The question is used more generally than described. I updated the description to reflect current usage." CreationDate="2015-12-17T13:28:19.857" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="3972" PostId="867" Score="0" Text="We can add custom off-topic reasons for closing. Do you (or anyone) have a suggestion for wording?" CreationDate="2013-09-24T14:25:52.507" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3973" PostId="867" Score="0" Text="Perhaps &quot;Homework questions are not appropriate for Mathoverflow&quot;. I am sure that somebody (say, @quid) will have a better formulation." CreationDate="2013-09-24T14:30:54.750" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="3974" PostId="867" Score="8" Text="I added an new off-topic reason to close. It will go live as soon as another mod approves it. We can adjust the wording later." CreationDate="2013-09-24T14:35:17.120" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3984" PostId="867" Score="4" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, I suppose that the remainder of Mark's suggestion (e.g., the 3 vote minimum and immediate deletion) would still have to remain open as a feature request?" CreationDate="2013-09-24T17:07:51.640" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="3995" PostId="867" Score="9" Text="I oppose any immediate-deletion proposal. I've seen too many votes-to-close on quite interesting questions, which do not deserve closure. A recent example is http://mathoverflow.net/questions/143024/does-every-countably-infinite-interval-finite-partial-order-embed-into-the-integ." CreationDate="2013-09-24T21:59:05.063" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4004" PostId="867" Score="1" Text="@François, &quot;Questions at the level of undergraduate textbooks or assignments are typically off-topic on MathOverflow. For more information about our scope, please see [help/on-topic]. Your question might be suitable for [math.se] which has a broader scope.&quot; ps: I think you cannot edit them after approval." CreationDate="2013-09-24T23:21:35.397" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4006" PostId="867" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Thanks for pointing that question out, I had not seen it." CreationDate="2013-09-24T23:58:13.633" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4007" PostId="867" Score="2" Text="@Kaveh, many of the questions that are unwelcome here are unwelcome at m.se as well, namely, those that show no sign of effort on the part of the author. I don't want to see people encouraged to post such questions to m.se." CreationDate="2013-09-25T00:09:39.943" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="4008" PostId="867" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins:L I was writing about homework questions only. I guess you missed this part." CreationDate="2013-09-25T00:12:58.863" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="4009" PostId="867" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: The new option is not available yet." CreationDate="2013-09-25T00:13:41.257" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="4010" PostId="867" Score="1" Text="@Gerry, the comment just mentions that it _might_ be suitable for [math.se]. The idea is to direct people asking undergraduate level questions to the appropriate site not that the question, as it is, is suitable for [math.se]." CreationDate="2013-09-25T00:18:18.023" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4011" PostId="867" Score="6" Text="@MarkSapir, I didn't miss that part. I don't agree that there is special problem with &quot;homework&quot; questions, and I think we can treat those questions like all the others---close the badly written, too-elementary or uninteresting ones; and keep the interesting ones. I don't see the need for urgent deletion, and because I have often seen questions closed on MO by people who didn't even understand the question or see that it was much more interesting than they had expected, I'd rather that we are more relaxed about it, so that good questions can be reopened." CreationDate="2013-09-25T00:18:34.927" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4012" PostId="867" Score="6" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: Posting homework question is cheating. That is illegal in all decent Universities.  Answering a homework question means helping cheating. So there are no &quot;interesting&quot; homework questions." CreationDate="2013-09-25T00:36:02.600" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="4013" PostId="867" Score="9" Text="Well, I've specifically told all my students to make posts on MO and math.SE about whatever they find confusing mathematically, including in their homework, so that they can work to understand it more deeply. So at least in the case of my students (and in the cases of students of other professors who follow a similar procedure), this is not cheating at all. Rather, it is making use of a mathematical resource. You don't encourage your students to work on their mathematics together? This is a very effective way to learn." CreationDate="2013-09-25T00:41:59.760" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4014" PostId="867" Score="3" Text="That was discussed before (I think with @quid). If it is approved by the instructor, a student can post a homework question. That should be mentioned in the question (preferably together with the name of the instructor)." CreationDate="2013-09-25T00:49:04.057" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="4015" PostId="867" Score="1" Text="It's there now, @Mark." CreationDate="2013-09-25T01:16:21.470" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4016" PostId="867" Score="4" Text="I agree with Mark on this, if you are posting homework questions and hiding the fact that it's homeowork, it's reasonable to assume the person is cheating.  On an MO question there's a strong onus on the poster to make it clear what one's motivation is." CreationDate="2013-09-25T04:17:07.150" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="4020" PostId="867" Score="1" Text="@MarkSapir, I'm going to mark this as status-completed, as the first request, a custom close reason, has been implemented. If you want to, could you post the other parts separately?" CreationDate="2013-09-25T09:41:34.667" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4021" PostId="868" Score="3" Text="this would be really helpful if we could have some moderator editable text that is presented to a user asking their first question. Some fraction are just going to post nonsense whatever we say to them. Nevertheless I think it would be helpful to have a succinct paragraph emphasising that this is a site for research level questions, and that they have other options (i.e. MSE) if the question is not at this level." CreationDate="2013-09-25T10:20:14.890" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4027" PostId="868" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison We're close to trying it on a couple of sites beyond SO, we want to see how effective it actually is. If it tests well, then we can probably make this happen for you" CreationDate="2013-09-25T17:38:19.293" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="3988" PostId="869" Score="10" Text="I understand that quite a lot revolves around that number, and I don't necessarily disagree with that aspect of the way the sites work -- internally.  What I don't like (and I know some other people don't like) is how prominently displayed that number is, to the extent that you almost never see a user's name without it." CreationDate="2013-09-24T18:52:19.613" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="3983" PostId="871" Score="1" Text="You read my mind, because I was about to request CW-removal for [When does $ZFC \vdash\ ' ZFC \vdash \varphi\ '$ imply $ZFC \vdash \varphi$?](http://mathoverflow.net/q/127322/6085), but I see you already removed it there." CreationDate="2013-09-24T16:55:26.440" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3986" PostId="871" Score="3" Text="Would this have a retroactive effect on reputation?" CreationDate="2013-09-24T18:24:47.703" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="3987" PostId="871" Score="1" Text="In theory but only after a recalc, which are not all that frequent, I think." CreationDate="2013-09-24T18:36:44.417" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="3989" PostId="871" Score="3" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger One can trigger a reputation recalculation, by going to http://mathoverflow.net/reputation, scrolling to the bottom, and clicking the button there." CreationDate="2013-09-24T19:11:44.163" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="3991" PostId="871" Score="1" Text="(Thank you, @FrançoisG.Dorais for the prompt response.)" CreationDate="2013-09-24T19:56:01.347" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4044" PostId="871" Score="4" Text="Recalcs are no longer necessary, rep is basically real time on SE 2.0 :) If the status is removed, any rep change should take an almost (within the minute) immediate effect." CreationDate="2013-09-27T15:49:45.853" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="4166" PostId="871" Score="2" Text="Is this intended for all requests, or only ones from MO 1.0?  Is flagging a good way to make such requests?" CreationDate="2013-10-02T07:21:37.317" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="4233" PostId="871" Score="1" Text="@Jonas: Yes, flagging is a good way to make such requests." CreationDate="2013-10-03T01:36:33.947" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5115" PostId="871" Score="0" Text="(I upvoted one of the answers so Community won't bump it ever again!)" CreationDate="2013-11-02T12:12:05.650" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5124" PostId="871" Score="2" Text="@Tim Post: I don’t believe this. Around October 11, my reputation suddenly went *up* by 40 or so points in the blink of an eye, whereas according to the reputation tab, I was supposed to *lose* 50 points due to a deletion of a user at that point. After seeing this thread, the only explanation I have for that mysterious behaviour is that the deletion of the user triggered a recalc of my reputation, which retroactively added points for an answer to the question mentioned above by Andres Caicedo, de-CWed on September 24." CreationDate="2013-11-02T13:24:13.613" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="4037" PostId="873" Score="0" Text="@François, thanks for that. I have always regretted on posting that as wiki." CreationDate="2013-09-26T20:22:30.457" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4000" PostId="877" Score="1" Text="I do not think it is technically impossible. One could have something like a pending-tag which can be used right away but if not approved &quot;self-destructs&quot; after some fixed time. (One would just need to ensure there must be a stable tag, not only pending ones, on each question to avoid many untagged questions.) But I agreee it might not be worth the effort." CreationDate="2013-09-24T22:41:23.057" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4001" PostId="877" Score="1" Text="@quid That's worse than the current system. It's much better to steer someone into using [tag:lo.logic]+[tag:forcing] rather than having [tag:lo.logic]+[tag:mathias-forcing] degenerate into [tag:lo.logic] alone because [tag:mathias-forcing] was deemed too specific by someone." CreationDate="2013-09-24T22:52:36.743" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4005" PostId="877" Score="1" Text="Also infrequently used tags with only 1 (or 2?) questions get cleaned up every year(?) if I remember correctly." CreationDate="2013-09-24T23:31:23.187" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4017" PostId="877" Score="1" Text="Well, if one wants to develop on the idea, one could have the approval/disaproval process contain an option to suggest merge/synonym, so that this steering would be built-in. @Kaveh yes this exists, it is single used tags and after 6 months." CreationDate="2013-09-25T08:12:27.663" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="17366" PostId="877" Score="0" Text="A minor clarification of one of the bullet points. A tag used only on one question is removed (after a certain time period) [unless the tag-wiki was created for the tag](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/127700/do-not-expire-single-use-tags-that-have-a-tag-wiki)." CreationDate="2018-10-09T23:48:40.833" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4018" PostId="880" Score="1" Text="[Stylebot](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha), a Chrome extension, also works very well for this sort of thing. Right click whatever you want to remove, select Stylebot, Style Element and then set &quot;Visibility&quot; to &quot;Hide&quot;, or whatever else you want." CreationDate="2013-09-25T09:33:00.067" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4019" PostId="880" Score="1" Text="For me (in Chrome), AdBlock works slightly differently: I don't have a context menu option to block an ad, but there's an icon in the address bar for AdBlock, and clicking on it gives the option &quot;Easy create filter&quot;, after which you can just point at what you want to remove." CreationDate="2013-09-25T09:36:39.443" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="8572" PostId="882" Score="0" Text="In the interest of making this great advice more visible, is it possible to add this to the &quot;featured&quot; list of meta questions and make a link to this visible from the &quot;Ask question&quot; page?" CreationDate="2014-08-26T16:39:05.970" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="8574" PostId="882" Score="3" Text="@j.c. the featured tag expires after a while. We could renew it every time it goes away but there ought to be something better..." CreationDate="2014-08-27T01:09:48.813" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8594" PostId="882" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I assume you could (at least if you ask SE) include that advice in http://mathoverflow.net/help/how-to-ask (which is linked from the grey box on the &quot;ask&quot; page), and/or you could ask for an additional link from that box (or for a change of the target of the existing link). [Tangentially, AFAIK self-accepts do not influence ordering.]" CreationDate="2014-09-02T08:53:35.390" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4504" PostId="883" Score="20" Text="The advice &quot;Make your title your question&quot; is good in my opinion. However, what I find unfortunate is if users then do not *repeat* the question in the body. Could a phrase be added there, like: 'Yet please also make sure that the body of the question does not depend on the title, and thus in any case also state the question in the body.' (This is not mainly about people sayin 'question is in title' though I find this somewhat onfortunate to, but some say strictly nothing on the q in body if it is in title.)" CreationDate="2013-10-12T14:42:04.377" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8660" PostId="883" Score="0" Text="It would be cool if in addition to saying &quot;Just read Wikipedia for X; don't ask here&quot; you could elaborate on the etiquette of asking here. Theoretically people can just ignore bad questions. But since this isn't the attitude, there has to be a reason." CreationDate="2014-09-11T08:02:05.967" UserId="11500" />
  <row Id="8661" PostId="883" Score="0" Text="@isomorphismes, I'm not sure what you're asking for. Who says &quot;Just read Wikipedia for X; don't ask here&quot;? A reason for what?" CreationDate="2014-09-11T23:17:56.783" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="8665" PostId="883" Score="5" Text="Btw, every regular doodad is in fact a widget." CreationDate="2014-09-17T07:39:28.840" UserId="43445" />
  <row Id="8666" PostId="883" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison In the **Do your homework** section you said do basic googling before asking on MO. Sorry, by &quot;a reason&quot; I meant to say &quot;There has to be a reason that people [a] answer questions and [b] are annoyed by, rather than simply ignore, bad questions&quot;. I'm presuming that [a] and [b] spring from the same source, which is tied up in the norms which probably a lot of MO users understand, but I don't as well without it being explicitly described." CreationDate="2014-09-17T08:38:12.620" UserId="11500" />
  <row Id="8677" PostId="883" Score="1" Text="@isomorphismes, I think the best summary of etiquette for asking questions is 'visibly have put in effort to follow the above advice'." CreationDate="2014-09-17T23:09:49.647" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="8724" PostId="883" Score="2" Text="Your sample question abuses the `&gt;` formatting tag (originally meant for quotations) to highlight text. It is a common strategy here, and I have been guilty of using it myself occasionally, too. But do we want to explicitly suggest and encourage it?" CreationDate="2014-09-25T09:25:20.417" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="8726" PostId="883" Score="0" Text="Why not? It looks nice, I think. (It's not like markdown promises to indicate semantics.)" CreationDate="2014-09-25T21:25:13.957" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="12300" PostId="883" Score="1" Text="I just saw that block quote remark: at least in the mobile version the blockquote is not good for emphasis as to me it looks a lot more quote-ish there than on full version." CreationDate="2016-02-10T13:01:10.120" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="15252" PostId="883" Score="1" Text="Wow, thank you for addressing *my fear* for having my question closed on this site. I have research questions, but they don't get to the postgraduate level of math, and it's quite sad when my questions are silently ignored in Mathematics Stack Exchange" CreationDate="2017-11-14T05:20:31.760" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="27711" PostId="883" Score="0" Text="The blockquote `&gt;` formatting used to put the text on a yellow background, which doubled up as a form of highlighting, but this is [no longer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/343919/some-improvements-to-blockquotes) so. The current white background instead de-emphasizes the part within the blockquote compared to the surrounding text. Maybe it's better to avoid encouraging the use of blockquote markup for emphasis due to this change." CreationDate="2022-09-22T10:36:23.367" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27712" PostId="883" Score="0" Text="Also, the SE network changed the licensing from CC BY-SA 3.0 to 4.0 (a complete description of the change is in this post on Meta SE: [Creative Commons Licensing UI and Data Updates](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/347758)), so the last line about licensing should probably be updated." CreationDate="2022-09-22T10:41:04.410" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="4024" PostId="884" Score="3" Text="This has nothing to do with my request. Homework questions may be hard but asking them on MO (without explicit approval of the instructor) is cheating. Answering such questions should be discouraged in strongest possible terms." CreationDate="2013-09-25T15:43:50.727" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="4025" PostId="884" Score="4" Text="@MarkSapir I completely agree. I am saying that, if a question is formatted like a homework question, but too hard for you,  it is probably not a homework question. We're both professors; the fact that we don't quickly see how to do something is a strong sign it isn't homework." CreationDate="2013-09-25T16:21:55.970" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="4033" PostId="884" Score="4" Text="Although I agree with Mark Sapir in principle, I'm afraid that in practice there is no way to distinguish between a hard homework question and a good question that occurred spontaneously in some student's mind. &#xA;So, in my opinion the best thing to do is to immediately close &quot;obvious&quot; homework questions (i.e. trivial questions without any context or explaination) and to give the others the benefit of the doubt, redirecting them to math.SE." CreationDate="2013-09-26T08:14:17.103" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="4038" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="It seems the first question was intentionally made CW by the author, and I don't want to override that decision." CreationDate="2013-09-26T21:54:50.337" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4039" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="I removed CW from Noam's answer, but left it on the question since that is probably the author's wish." CreationDate="2013-09-26T22:25:57.000" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4040" PostId="887" Score="1" Text="I also removed CW from the other question's answers." CreationDate="2013-09-26T22:29:23.803" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4046" PostId="890" Score="3" Text="Is the dv against the renaming or against the tag being reserved for the prob context. Or against still something else. In any case it would somehow help the discussion if such things where communicated else it is anybodies guess what is the intent." CreationDate="2013-09-27T16:46:07.590" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4048" PostId="892" Score="2" Text="([Link to corresponding meta.math.SE thread](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/11084/264))" CreationDate="2013-09-28T01:04:20.740" UserId="1916" />
  <row Id="4087" PostId="893" Score="0" Text="Thanks Scott, if you could add this as an endorsement on the proposal page, that would could tip the balance in favor of us getting funded to do this." CreationDate="2013-09-29T19:45:46.827" UserId="27664" />
  <row Id="4088" PostId="893" Score="0" Text="would/could I guess... division by ''possible''." CreationDate="2013-09-29T19:56:53.270" UserId="27664" />
  <row Id="4070" PostId="894" Score="0" Text="Cool, though I really think this should read &quot;if your question was closed or put on hold with the message ...&quot; as that's what a new user would see first. If I find anything else I'll post in the other thread to avoid clutter." CreationDate="2013-09-28T13:18:36.923" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="4099" PostId="894" Score="0" Text="Okay, slight further tweak." CreationDate="2013-09-30T04:01:15.257" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4064" PostId="895" Score="0" Text="The original form of this question produced several tangential comments about how difficult it is to find Ben Webster's contact information, and why one might want to contact the moderators. I removed those comments upon editing the question to be more pointed." CreationDate="2013-09-28T06:42:10.167" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="4075" PostId="895" Score="0" Text="@AntonGeraschenko Following the old traditions, shouldn't the comments be reproduced on the tea site?" CreationDate="2013-09-28T14:12:41.223" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4081" PostId="895" Score="1" Text="@AndresCaicedo: I've put them at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1625." CreationDate="2013-09-28T18:04:01.103" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="4059" PostId="897" Score="0" Text="Isn't the idea of being &quot;on hold&quot; (rather than &quot;closed&quot;) *precisely* so these changes you suggest are implemented? Once the changes are in place, and things appear reasonable, reopening it is the natural course of action. (This is the same idea behind closing votes being reversible, isn't it?)" CreationDate="2013-09-28T06:17:11.340" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4060" PostId="897" Score="2" Text="You do not need to close a question in order to add a relevant tag, or to make a minor change. Closing this question blocked Mark Wildon from answering it. How does that help?" CreationDate="2013-09-28T06:19:25.463" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="4061" PostId="897" Score="0" Text="(The question has been reopened, by the way. The last opening vote was mine.) I agree, but some people feel it should be the OP who carries out these changes." CreationDate="2013-09-28T06:22:21.270" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4065" PostId="899" Score="9" Text="Here's a song you might sing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VZbWJIndlQ" CreationDate="2013-09-28T09:01:13.767" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="4078" PostId="899" Score="10" Text="Happy birthday, MO.  Thanks to Anton and all the moderators for making MO a good resource for mathematics and a fun place as well." CreationDate="2013-09-28T15:21:59.027" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="4080" PostId="899" Score="4" Text="Perhaps we could crowd source a rewrite of &quot;Lobachevsky&quot; for MathOverflow. &quot;And who deserves the credit?  And who deserves the blame?  Antonin Ivanovish Geraschenko is (not) his name!&quot;, as well as &quot;The secret of my success?  Hyperlink!&quot;  (Rhyme forthcoming.)" CreationDate="2013-09-28T17:30:16.217" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="4115" PostId="899" Score="2" Text="Wink, wink :-)${}$" CreationDate="2013-10-01T13:27:19.167" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="19937" PostId="902" Score="0" Text="**The objection that the OP's SBTMs are finite state machines is incorrect.** Why? Perhaps we are interpreting the definitions differently?" CreationDate="2019-04-28T14:39:27.953" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="4082" PostId="903" Score="2" Text="How many upvoted answers from all users with a name beginning with user." CreationDate="2013-09-28T18:35:11.663" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="4083" PostId="903" Score="3" Text="@Bill: 685 - http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/139655/successful-anonymous-answers - 894 if you include CW answers - http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/139656/successful-anonymous-answers" CreationDate="2013-09-28T18:59:20.327" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4086" PostId="903" Score="0" Text="Perhaps some measure of migration to &amp; from MSE. The *to* may be easier to quantify than the *from*, as the latter generally occurs via reposting (e.g., [this digit-sum posting](http://mathoverflow.net/q/143263/6094))." CreationDate="2013-09-29T14:04:02.423" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="4120" PostId="903" Score="0" Text="Most questions, I suspect, are asked, up/downvoted, viewed, possibly edited and answered within a relatively short time, and then all such activity ceases until somebody stumbles upon it later. How true or typical is this description? I would be interested in seeing statistics relating to views/votes/answers but measured against the time since the question was first posed." CreationDate="2013-10-01T17:15:50.093" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="4178" PostId="903" Score="0" Text="The histogram of time duration between a response getting upvoted  and the next upvote on the question (or vice versa). The time duration between when the user lands on a page and when he casts his vote there. votes on a post vs the number of links it has. No of views of the page vs the modal reputation it has." CreationDate="2013-10-02T11:25:47.070" UserId="34859" />
  <row Id="4089" PostId="906" Score="7" Text="The user was deleted in a manner consistent with how we handle users with a background of misbehavior. It's harmless to undelete the question if you want." CreationDate="2013-09-29T21:05:57.647" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4090" PostId="906" Score="0" Text="Oh, okay, that's certainly something I didn't know. (Unfortunately, I don't think I have enough reputation to undelete the question.) If you post your comment as an answer, I'll accept it." CreationDate="2013-09-29T21:07:51.657" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="4091" PostId="906" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: The user in question has number 40619, and has therefore joined just two days ago -- so how can he already have &quot;a background of misbehavior&quot;? -- Maybe with different accounts?" CreationDate="2013-09-29T21:32:13.543" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4092" PostId="906" Score="4" Text="@stefankohl: yes." CreationDate="2013-09-29T21:49:54.380" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4093" PostId="906" Score="1" Text="I note that the question has been undeleted." CreationDate="2013-09-29T23:27:23.657" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="4094" PostId="906" Score="0" Text="The problem reminds me of old computer days, when we were asked for programming an sort-algorithm for arbitrary long streams of input data. This is in essence also the question for infinite sets. Standard solution was Merge/Sort with two tapes (or four, don't exactly remember) and although for an infinite input the overall time is infinite we are still making progress in this process, this shows that the answer must be positive. But is this really a question for this site?" CreationDate="2013-09-30T00:47:50.217" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="4095" PostId="906" Score="0" Text="@GottfriedHelms: Are you sure the answer is positive? How do you &quot;sort&quot; $\mathbb{Z}$ or $\mathbb{Q}$? If you try to wellorder them, the process won't stabilize." CreationDate="2013-09-30T01:01:11.060" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4096" PostId="906" Score="0" Text="@Francois: I think we can only discuss with respect to ordered subsets/partial sets and the time required for the ordering related to their cardinality. The time for Sort/merge is, if I recall right, with *n* as its cardinality something like $n* \ln(n)$, not even $n^2$, while -if I understand the intention of the phrase &quot;uncountable time&quot; in the question correctly at all- it would mean that the algorithm has something to do with $2^n$ instead (but a definition should explicitely occur in  question) Because the input stream is infinite we have of course &quot;never&quot; the &quot;complete order&quot;/stability" CreationDate="2013-09-30T01:32:17.387" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="4097" PostId="906" Score="0" Text="...(continued) but I think, the discussion of conceptual details were better in the question (if at all, and if the question is not on hold). But here is now late night and I should leave this forum and come back tomorrow..." CreationDate="2013-09-30T01:37:36.380" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="4101" PostId="907" Score="7" Text="The wording, &quot;The existing staff...requested a few more sets of hands&quot; suggests that the current moderators will stay in office, to be joined by some number of additional moderators. Is that right? or do the current moderators need to nominate to be re-elected? (Either way is fine with me, I'm just requesting clarification.)" CreationDate="2013-09-30T23:47:07.720" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="4102" PostId="907" Score="8" Text="@GerryMyerson: That's correct; the current moderators will stay in office. The one exception is that I intend to step down." CreationDate="2013-10-01T01:48:24.887" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="4105" PostId="907" Score="41" Text="I'm sad to hear Anton will step down. We all owe him a big thanks." CreationDate="2013-10-01T03:20:22.300" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4330" PostId="907" Score="1" Text="(I just posted this comment on the nominations thread, but maybe it's more appropriate here.)  I know it's very late to bring this up, but the time frame for the whole nomination process seems very short. I know SE have their way of doing things, but MO is populated by people who are accustomed to operating at the slower pace of academia." CreationDate="2013-10-06T18:33:47.233" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="4104" PostId="909" Score="4" Text="Some of these are challenging questions even for existing moderators. :)" CreationDate="2013-10-01T02:32:45.737" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4103" PostId="914" Score="0" Text="If you step out of the room for a moment, I'd be happy to nominate you.  Of course, that would not answer your question." CreationDate="2013-10-01T02:07:59.013" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="4111" PostId="914" Score="0" Text="Almost. It's never fully happened but we've had nomination phases go entirely dry up until the weekend, to no end of panic on our end." CreationDate="2013-10-01T05:17:41.483" UserId="35425" />
  <row Id="4112" PostId="915" Score="31" Text="Personally, I would be opposed to pseudonymous candidates (even though I have no problem with pseudonymous users)." CreationDate="2013-10-01T05:54:51.240" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="4301" PostId="915" Score="2" Text="We do in fact have The Masked Avenger who has nominated himself (think I got the gender right) as a candidate. When someone named Carl asked a now-invisible question, said candidate responded (in a somewhat flippant manner), adding something about his professional interests. See http://mathoverflow.net/election/1#post-143802" CreationDate="2013-10-04T18:13:20.720" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4345" PostId="915" Score="0" Text="Sorry for deleting the comment; it had not been answered at that point and I felt on reflection it did not add much to the previous comment.  I have now responded to TMA's response." CreationDate="2013-10-07T13:07:45.420" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="4117" PostId="916" Score="6" Text="Current moderator locations: Scott Morrison is in Australia. Scott Carnahan is in Japan. David Zureick-Brown, Ben Webster and I are on the east coast of the United States. (Anton Gerashenko is on the west coast of the United States but he intends to step down after the election.)" CreationDate="2013-10-01T13:40:59.890" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4106" PostId="917" Score="0" Text="I'll note that last time (when we ran the election less formally ourselves) essentially all nominations were for other people, who could then accept or decline. &lt;http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/426/&gt;" CreationDate="2013-10-01T03:34:19.173" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4107" PostId="917" Score="0" Text="I am sure that it is in part to ensure that no nominations are _rejected_ by the nominee.  Perhaps &quot;nominate&quot; is a poor choice, but it part of the SE nomenclature.  Think of it instead as stepping forward and announcing that you are willing to take on the additional responsibilities associated with moderation." CreationDate="2013-10-01T03:40:30.597" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="4108" PostId="917" Score="2" Text="But we had plenty of nominations rejected by the nominee previously, and it seemed a perfectly healthy process. I'm not sure why we want to avoid it." CreationDate="2013-10-01T03:55:01.487" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4109" PostId="917" Score="7" Text="@ScottMorrison: You might be right as it regards smaller sites like MO.  But for the larger sites it might cause more probloems: StackOverflow saw 27 (self-)nominees for their [last election](http://stackoverflow.com/election/4), and the number likely would have been much higher if users could just nominate others.  On the other hand, I don't think there is anything preventing MO from opening a &quot;Who would you like to see run?&quot; meta-thread." CreationDate="2013-10-01T04:28:37.660" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="4110" PostId="917" Score="10" Text="It'd be easy enough to start a thread where people could nominate candidates who could then choose whether or not to run (i.e. SE-nominate-themselves)." CreationDate="2013-10-01T04:37:22.880" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="4113" PostId="917" Score="3" Text="Noah's suggestion is of course very good. I'm going to be essentially off-line for two days, but after that if nominations haven't started coming in I'll create such a thread." CreationDate="2013-10-01T06:03:13.403" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4114" PostId="917" Score="7" Text="I posted a nomination thread [here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/919/2013-moderator-nominations)." CreationDate="2013-10-01T13:14:08.127" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4189" PostId="918" Score="6" Text="That's a good point. I think I would much prefer a moderator who has been familiar with MO for a few years and has paid attention to its (changing) culture." CreationDate="2013-10-02T18:27:15.930" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4116" PostId="919" Score="6" Text="Note that the best way to accept a nomination is [to head over to the election page](http://mathoverflow.net/election) and nominate yourself. Feel free to link to the nomination here when you write your proper nomination on the main site. You aren't technically eligible for the position _until you have nominated there_." CreationDate="2013-10-01T13:28:08.133" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="4119" PostId="919" Score="3" Text="Since this is all CW, it might make more sense that if a nomination is declined that answer is edited to clearly indicate this.  (_E.g._, striking out the name in the nomination, or perhaps block-quote text (`&gt; block-quote`) indicating this.)  Also, if a nomination is accepted, adding a link to that user's blurb on the election page might also be helpful." CreationDate="2013-10-01T16:21:10.797" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="4124" PostId="919" Score="4" Text="Hmm, I'm a bit worried this is going to turn into a &quot;pre-vote&quot;, somewhat spoiling the system. Perhaps we can all just try to &quot;manipulate&quot; the scores on these posts back to zero?" CreationDate="2013-10-01T20:26:41.340" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4131" PostId="919" Score="0" Text="Per Scott's suggestion, I will downvote each answer (but not the &quot;question&quot;)." CreationDate="2013-10-01T22:54:45.203" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4132" PostId="919" Score="2" Text="What's wrong with having it turn into a pre-vote?  Perhaps people will be more likely to accept a nomination if it's accompanied by a lot of up votes.  I don't have a strong opinion about this, but it seems worthwhile to have a way to express enthusiasm for a nomination." CreationDate="2013-10-01T23:15:49.350" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4137" PostId="919" Score="0" Text="(On the other hand, it's better not to have voting on nominations than to have a mixture of attempts at voting and unvoting, so at this point settling on not voting may be best.  Mainly I'm just curious what the objection to voting on nominations is, since to me it seems like a mildly useful straw poll.)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T00:42:00.990" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4138" PostId="919" Score="2" Text="Would clarifying that voting is merely &quot;seconding a motion&quot; help? (That was my original thought but it is very confusing. And I now believe it was an error on my part.)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T00:45:28.377" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4190" PostId="919" Score="3" Text="@Henry, the votes are not cast at the same time and influence each other. It also might have negative effect on honest expression of opinion about candidates and causing people to try to vote strategically (i.e. vote depending on other people's votes). And since the votes cannot be changed without an edit the time that one casts votes becomes even more important." CreationDate="2013-10-02T19:13:34.430" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4329" PostId="919" Score="4" Text="I know it's very late to bring this up, but the time frame for the whole nomination process seems very short.  I know SE have their way of doing things, but MO is populated by people who are accustomed to operating at the slower pace of academia." CreationDate="2013-10-06T18:32:35.273" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="4346" PostId="919" Score="0" Text="@MarkMeckes: I think the time frame for the election here is quite o.k.. Apart from this, I think the pace in academia is often slow where it would better be faster, and pretty fast where it would better be a bit slower -- if you understand what I mean." CreationDate="2013-10-07T15:42:44.663" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4353" PostId="919" Score="0" Text="Nominations are closed as of now." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:04:06.803" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4403" PostId="919" Score="0" Text="Moderator nominations _on hold_. :)" CreationDate="2013-10-08T19:43:26.340" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4303" PostId="920" Score="0" Text="Is Qiaochu aware that he has been nominated? (Paging @QiaochuYuan ...)" CreationDate="2013-10-04T20:19:29.130" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4306" PostId="920" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble comment notifications cannot be used to contact users other than users already active in the comment thread and users that edited (or wrote) the post (and *moderators* that closed a question). I cannot possibly know if he is aware of this, but in view of the fact that this was the very first nominatation and he was somewhat active on the site since it was posted I would be rather surprised if he were not." CreationDate="2013-10-04T21:32:43.963" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4332" PostId="920" Score="4" Text="Thank you for the nomination! Actually I wasn't aware of it until now (I have been studiously avoiding meta). I'm afraid I should respectfully decline, though; I'd like to focus on graduate school for the time being. I also feel like I made mistakes as a math.SE moderator that I would not like to see repeated here." CreationDate="2013-10-06T19:46:35.450" UserId="290" />
  <row Id="4118" PostId="921" Score="0" Text="&quot;moderation team&quot; :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-01T13:56:13.880" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="4140" PostId="922" Score="1" Text="I've (simultaneously, oops), started a separate thread to try to list various things that moderators do. http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/931/3" CreationDate="2013-10-02T01:21:42.583" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4141" PostId="922" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @Scott! That's a great idea. Maybe we should move this answer there?" CreationDate="2013-10-02T01:25:44.713" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4184" PostId="923" Score="0" Text="Does Derek know he is nominated?  I am not sure how regularly he reads meta." CreationDate="2013-10-02T13:51:01.180" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4191" PostId="923" Score="0" Text="@Benjamin: I have e-mailed him, just in case." CreationDate="2013-10-02T20:07:06.833" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4339" PostId="923" Score="2" Text="Thanks Stefan but I've decided not to accept the nomination on this occasion. perhaps next time!" CreationDate="2013-10-07T07:54:57.440" UserId="35840" />
  <row Id="4340" PostId="923" Score="0" Text="@Derek: That's a real pity -- I think you would have been an excellent moderator!" CreationDate="2013-10-07T09:06:50.427" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4121" PostId="924" Score="32" Text="I agree that quid is thoughtful (most of the time), but I also have found him (him?) at times to be unnecessarily argumentative. But overall I think he (he?) might be a decent choice for moderator -- *if* he were also to lose the pseudonym." CreationDate="2013-10-01T17:24:42.087" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4122" PostId="924" Score="26" Text="For several reasons, I'm against the election of anonymous users. Like Todd Trimble, I think that quid can be a good moderator, but he/she should agree to lose his/her pseudonym first." CreationDate="2013-10-01T17:45:35.557" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="4123" PostId="924" Score="13" Text="Honestly, I have to admit that I cannot see why it is a problem if a moderator is pseudonym." CreationDate="2013-10-01T19:07:40.480" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="4128" PostId="924" Score="8" Text="@András Bátkai: I choose to use MathOverflow under my real name. Of course, I have no objections if some other ordinary user prefers to use a pseudonym. However, moderators are *very special* users with *very special* powers. They are accorded the highest level of privilege on our community.  So, personally, I would prefer to know *who* they are." CreationDate="2013-10-01T21:24:00.223" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="4129" PostId="924" Score="12" Text="@AndrásBátkai The basic problem as I see it would be lack of transparency; making executive-level decisions while hiding behind a pseudonym is sure to be off-putting to many (maybe not you). (&quot;Who is this guy 'quid', anyway, to delete my question?&quot;) Anyway, all this is moot unless quid were to actually accept a nomination." CreationDate="2013-10-01T21:24:02.293" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4130" PostId="924" Score="5" Text="I guess the other side of the coin is that without anonymity, only extremely senior mathematicians can effectively moderate other seniors without having to fear for a negative impact on their career." CreationDate="2013-10-01T21:53:31.607" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="4134" PostId="924" Score="9" Text="@MichaelGreinecker, interestingly, we have had a handful of instances where we needed to directly 'moderate' a mathematician more senior than any of ourselves. It was a little scary at first, but seems to have worked fine. I guess, of course, if someone out there has been trying to sabotage our job applications we'd not know..." CreationDate="2013-10-02T00:19:43.367" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4139" PostId="924" Score="10" Text="Oh my, not this real name vs. pseudonym discussion again! @Todd Trimble The answer to &quot;Who is this guy ... to delete my question?&quot; is always &quot;An MO moderator&quot; or &quot;a high reputation user&quot; regardless of whether ... is replaced by a user name or by a real name. The reason Scott Morrison can block accounts is not that he is 34, lists Berkeley, CA as his location and has curly hair, but that he is on the current mod team and that he is well respected on MO. If he were called John Brown, lived in Alabama, and was bald, but made the same posts and actions, would there be any difference for you?" CreationDate="2013-10-02T01:18:15.313" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="4152" PostId="924" Score="12" Text="@fedja That thing I put in quotes was just supposed to illustrate what some person might think, not necessarily what I would think. But I do think that having people operate under their real names, with their public selves on the line, generally helps moderate against the possibility of their abusing power in some way, or just generally being jerks. (This person 'quid' isn't a jerk IMO, but people have indeed gotten annoyed with things s/he has said behind a veil of secrecy.) It's a public perception thing: I think it would go down much more smoothly if moderators were publicly identifiable." CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:24:49.707" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4158" PostId="924" Score="1" Text="If any user (anonymous or not) is abusing power, they can have moderator status removed, or even be suspended.  If any user (anonymous or not) is perceived as a jerk or annoying, people can choose to not vote for them. Even if it is true that anonymous users were more likely to do these things on average, that would mean a smaller percentage of anonymous users would be good candidates, but not that we shouldn't take the good ones." CreationDate="2013-10-02T05:49:17.403" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="4162" PostId="924" Score="9" Text="@fedja: &quot;Oh my, not this real name vs. pseudonym discussion again!&quot;. And why not? We never discussed this regarding moderators, and since we are making nominations I think it is completely natural to come back to the issue.&#xA;I belong to a community where I operate under my real name, so I would prefer that the community is &quot;ruled&quot; by someone who does the same. It is not only a matter of blocking accounts, deleting questions or abusing power, for me it is really about transparency and democracy [to be continued]" CreationDate="2013-10-02T07:03:06.213" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="4163" PostId="924" Score="11" Text="And yes, I want to know *who* is the person whom I according the highest level of privilege in MO. And no, I am *not* satisfied just knowing that he/she is a &quot;user with high reputation&quot;, even because I personally do not care very much about reputation.&#xA;Of course this is just my personal opinion. Anyway, I think that many people in the community share the same thoughts and are perplexed about electing anonymous users as moderators." CreationDate="2013-10-02T07:10:42.643" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="4167" PostId="924" Score="2" Text="@JonasMeyer The process of removing a moderators power is not that easy, this is something that happened actually on MSE. But there are users who think moderators are abusing their powers even when they do sensible things. On the margin, the name issue may have a real impact here." CreationDate="2013-10-02T07:22:12.587" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="4174" PostId="924" Score="8" Text="Bein anonymous has some advantages as a moderator, as you have to occasionally deal with unreasonable or even crazy people. There have been cases of death threats against mods, users calling moderators on their private phone and similar stuff on other SE sites. Not having to consider real-life consequences when dealing with crazy people is a significant  advantage (I moderate Skeptics.SE, and obviously don't use my real name)." CreationDate="2013-10-02T09:51:49.527" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="4175" PostId="924" Score="21" Text="Thank you for the nomination, which I appreciate. There are various reasons why *in general* I would very likely not accept it. The names isssue came already up, I do understand this to some extent and in any case know it would be a major issue for some. Also @ToddTrimble has a point that perhaps I like discussing *too* much for being a moderator (though I think I could control it if needed). And, at the moment being quite a bad time for me to take on additional responsibilities, I really do not want to accept it. But thanks again for the positive feedback this nomination gives." CreationDate="2013-10-02T11:00:21.360" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4176" PostId="924" Score="1" Text="Since there are already many comments I took the liberty to edit in myself the info that I do not run in OP." CreationDate="2013-10-02T11:08:36.700" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4182" PostId="924" Score="2" Text="I liked the MO 1.0 philosophy that MO is user- and not moderator-centered and that the users themselves moderate the forum to a large part. In this spirit I hope for a cautious moderator who steps in when moderation is really needed and stays in the background otherwise. Judging quid's numberless answers and comments to nearly all and everything on meta, I fear quid would be an overactive,  omnipresent moderator who tries to dominate discussions with his opinion instead of just looking that a discussion runs well. Therefore I welcome quid's refusal to become nominated." CreationDate="2013-10-02T13:18:47.507" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="4183" PostId="924" Score="14" Text="Well, I'd like to thank @quid for responding, and glad he or she was understanding of what transpired in this discussion. Although I think the discussion was necessary to some degree, it can't be very comfortable to be a subject of frank public discussion, and I'm very glad quid seems to have taken it well within stride -- I appreciate it." CreationDate="2013-10-02T13:39:15.257" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4185" PostId="924" Score="0" Text="I really appreciated @quid thoughtful comment, too." CreationDate="2013-10-02T14:46:09.893" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="4186" PostId="924" Score="7" Text="@Francesco Polizzi &quot;And yes, I want to know who is the person whom I according the highest level of privilege in MO.&quot; But do you? Take any current mod. How much do you really know about them beyond the trivial public data most of which is totally irrelevant to math. communication, moderation, or any other interaction you may have with them online? Anyway, once quid rejected (regretfully), the nomination is certainly off. So, perhaps, this discussion will be irrelevant for a while..." CreationDate="2013-10-02T15:16:02.783" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="4172" PostId="925" Score="18" Text="I don't feel like I could vote for someone with that message in his profile. You can't just write that you do not accept the terms of service and keep using the site (that's not how it works), and if you feel you can, then your mindset might not be the right one to be a moderator." CreationDate="2013-10-02T08:46:13.030" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="4192" PostId="925" Score="4" Text="@TobiasKildetoft I would not dismis a candidate just so because of this. Also, there was some discussion related to such things pre-migration on the old meta so the &quot;just write&quot; might not be quite correct. I do not want to elaborate and interpret here, but possibly Ricardo Andrade will say something himself. Also, that it is documented in such openess and detail to me is rather a good sign.// Vidit Nanda: great nomination, I hope the candidate accepts." CreationDate="2013-10-02T20:09:18.870" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4195" PostId="925" Score="1" Text="@quid I hope he accepts as well, and I hope that you will also reconisder your own decision to decline. Although I was initially opposed to your purist style when I first joined the site, over time I feel more and more like you would be a good choice for moderator." CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:02:48.367" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4202" PostId="925" Score="1" Text="Dear @Vidit: I am surprised and deeply honoured by this nomination and its supporting upvotes. Honestly, I am quite happy to perform a few simple tasks on MathOverflow on the side. Further, I had never even considered the possibility of becoming a moderator, which feels like a very large responsibility. All I can say for now is that I will seriously consider your kind proposal." CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:44:46.743" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4207" PostId="925" Score="0" Text="Dear @Tobias and others: I usually shy away from the spotlight, so I try to not make a big deal in public out of the issue with the copyright sections of the stackexchange terms of service. However, I will openly discuss copyright issues when people wish to do so. In particular, I readily admit my opposition to the StackExchange policy of keeping the copyright of all the content in its network. Briefly, that is why I do not consent to transferring the copyright of my questions and answers on MathOverflow to the stack exchange network, as is stated on my profile page. (to be continued)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:02:12.220" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4211" PostId="925" Score="2" Text="(continued) For clarity, I should probably state here that I release my questions and answers on Mathoverflow under a creative commons CC0 license (also stated on my profile). Finally, @Tobias, I agree with you that my statements regarding copyright defy the terms of service of the Stack Exchange network. That may very well mean that I am not allowed to become a moderator, or perhaps even to use the MathOverflow site. I am more than happy to discuss these and related issues at length. I will do my best to respond to any questions or requests for clarification." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:11:49.233" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4212" PostId="925" Score="4" Text="Based on my reading of http://stackexchange.com/legal, StackExchange does not keep copyright to any &quot;Subscriber Content&quot; (questions, answers, etc.).  Instead, it just requires you to allow re-use under a Creative Commons BY-SA license.  There is a part of the terms of service I consider problematic (the attribution rules are ambiguous regarding whether the copyright owner is allowed to choose a less restrictive license), and this should be fixed, but it's a different problem from StackExchange keeping copyright." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:16:46.640" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4215" PostId="925" Score="2" Text="Section 2 excludes Subscriber Content, which I believe covers things posted by users.  The licensing in Section 3 does not involve giving up copyright, but rather just allowing use under the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike license." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:23:50.657" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4219" PostId="925" Score="3" Text="See the discussion at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1597/turning-an-answer-into-a-paper/, as well as http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/6290/how-can-i-make-my-contributions-to-public-domain-under-my-specified-license-in-a/6294#6294." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:27:44.767" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4223" PostId="925" Score="0" Text="Dear @Henry Cohn: Thank you very much for your valuable input. Your reading of the terms of service appears to be accurate. And your links appear to confirm your interpretation. If so, that drastically diminishes my concerns about the copyright sections of the terms of service. Is it written explicitly somewhere that &quot;subscriber content&quot; includes all questions, answers, and comments?" CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:41:58.263" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4224" PostId="925" Score="4" Text="@Ricardo: This has been confirmed multiple times: users retain copyright of all their posts (questions, answers and comments). In particular, the last part of your user page comment is 100% legal. As the copyright owner, you can issue a waiver and release your content to anyone under any license you want, including making your content public domain. (However, such a waiver does not in any way nullify the default site license.)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:42:25.090" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4228" PostId="925" Score="1" Text="Dear @François: Thank you for the clarification. Can you please clarify your last statement &quot;However, such a waiver does not in any way nullify the default site license.&quot;? /// I interpreted the terms of service incorrectly, and I humbly apologize for my mistake. I have corrected my profile page." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:51:11.660" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4229" PostId="925" Score="8" Text="@Ricardo: By posting on MO, you automatically release your content under the CC BY-SA license. Since you do retain the copyright, you can release your content under any other terms you want but these are in addition to the CC BY-SA license. For example, you can also make your content public domain just as you could release it to a commercial publisher under any terms you want so that they are not required to abide by the CC BY-SA license and use your new terms instead. Such a waiver does not prevent MO and others to keep using your content under the CC BY-SA license." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:51:30.063" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4239" PostId="925" Score="1" Text="@ViditNanda Thanks. For *this* election my decision is very firm. (Also, for the two slots, I already made one nomination and endorsed this nomination, so in my mind all is set anyway :-)). But if there should be another election in the future and if then somebody still thinks it is a good idea, I will think it over then." CreationDate="2013-10-03T09:26:59.893" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4324" PostId="925" Score="2" Text="Dear @Vidit, quid, and others: I seriously considered running in this election, but in the end I decided against it. I am very busy right now, and I cannot be sure I would manage to honour my duties for the election or, were I to be elected, as a moderator. In any case, I will certainly try to continue performing my usual tasks on MathOverflow when I can. Thank you very much for your endorsement. I can sincerely say it means a lot to me." CreationDate="2013-10-06T14:46:17.807" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4328" PostId="925" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade That's too bad you do not run, but I certainly can understand the reason of being too busy." CreationDate="2013-10-06T17:43:33.700" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4127" PostId="926" Score="1" Text="The two meanings of &quot;divisors&quot; are closely related, so that a distinction does not seem necessary." CreationDate="2013-10-01T21:18:19.397" UserId="11025" />
  <row Id="4263" PostId="926" Score="2" Text="@FredRohrer abstractly perhaps though even this seems debatable [in view of the fact that AFAIK in the language where 'divisors' in the second meaning originates it is *not* the same word, the first being Teiler in German, and the latter having been introduced by Kronecker (I think)]. But in practice there are really questions that have very little in common all tagged with &quot;divisors&quot;.// I do not have a good solution to propse but asked myself the same question at some point." CreationDate="2013-10-03T22:16:39.177" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="26944" PostId="927" Score="0" Text="Both links to tea seem to be [down at the moment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4438), but both of them are available in the Wayback Machine - [1059](https://web.archive.org/web/20130606051421/http://meta.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1059/discussing-preprints-on-mo/) and [1422](https://web.archive.org/web/20130214063943/http://meta.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1422/discussing-recent-preprints-on-mo-again/). One of them has one more message from a mod in 2017: [1422](https://msleziak.com/mathoverflow/tea/discussion/1422/discussing-recent-preprints-on-mo-again/)." CreationDate="2022-02-07T05:54:20.853" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4136" PostId="929" Score="5" Text="Why is &quot;is my work present in the literature already&quot; too broad? At least, questions of the form &quot;is this theorem known&quot; often get a lot of positive attention on MO. Such questions have specific, objective answers." CreationDate="2013-10-02T00:40:49.050" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="4156" PostId="929" Score="1" Text="I think what is meant is that any question where the answerer has to read the preprint to answer the question is too much to expect.  I imagine asking for specific theorems or approaches, spelled out in the post, are reasonable MO questions." CreationDate="2013-10-02T03:36:19.753" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="4171" PostId="929" Score="0" Text="@SamHopkins I too, like Masked, read that as being in the form &quot;here is a preprint I wrote, are those results already known&quot;, since this thread is about preprints. For specific questions of the form &quot;is this result new&quot; or &quot;has this [very specific thing] been studied before&quot;, my experience is that they are received quite well (and I have personally had some success with such)." CreationDate="2013-10-02T08:21:27.113" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="4133" PostId="930" Score="0" Text="I would think that a use of the heyting-algebras, lattices or boolean-algebras tags would be better placed for such questions than order-theory." CreationDate="2013-10-01T23:17:05.263" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5602" PostId="930" Score="0" Text="For a question about Heyting algebras or lattices, I would probably include both a heyting-algebras or lattice-theory tag and an order-theory tag." CreationDate="2013-12-03T17:09:33.687" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="4159" PostId="932" Score="0" Text="3 hours _per_flag ?!" CreationDate="2013-10-02T06:11:20.677" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="4168" PostId="932" Score="0" Text="I think it is worth pointing out that some flags need no moderator attention at all. &quot;Low quality&quot;-flags are visible to high ranking users, who can close and delete themselves. - Edit: But maybe MO has too few 10k+ users to make this workable." CreationDate="2013-10-02T07:38:18.223" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="4170" PostId="932" Score="3" Text="If MO is anything like MSE, the 3 hrs is due in large part to (a) no moderator being online and the moment and (b) some times a flag needs to stay open to keep all other moderators informed. Even with 8 moderators active on MSE, the current handling time is 2.5 hrs per flag on average. So I would say 3 hrs is pretty normal (and on the good side) considering the man power we have available on MO." CreationDate="2013-10-02T08:01:37.323" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="4173" PostId="932" Score="5" Text="@WillieWong --- thanks for the explanation; I had misread the &quot;3 hours per flag&quot; as an estimate of the time a moderator is actually busy handling the flagged issue." CreationDate="2013-10-02T09:14:55.613" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="4142" PostId="935" Score="3" Text="I should add here that we're not really clear at this point how new moderators would interact with the legal entity. As things are currently written (to my understanding!) new moderators are not directors of this entity. We don't intend, however, that new moderators would be 'second-class' citizens in any way, and if there is reason we will update the legal setup to match whatever practical governance arrangement eventuates." CreationDate="2013-10-02T01:40:18.033" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4193" PostId="935" Score="1" Text="The reason it is written that way is that SE is ultimately sole responsible of appointing and removing moderators. It doesn't make sense for SE to appoint or remove directors of MO so it's best that there is no direct link. Of course, this does not mean that moderators shouldn't be appointed to directors." CreationDate="2013-10-02T20:28:57.920" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4143" PostId="936" Score="4" Text="Would it be possible for you to expand on your reasoning against this voting method? What exactly is the nature of the objection, and which alternative voting systems would be preferable in that light?" CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:00:48.643" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4144" PostId="936" Score="6" Text="I'd probably go with approval voting: vote for the subset of candidates you think would make good moderators, and the candidates who get the most votes win.  That's by far the simplest system in just about every respect (implementation, explanation for voters, understanding the results).  One drawback is that it doesn't take into account intensity of feelings; you can use extensions like range voting for this, but I'm not convinced it's important here." CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:10:11.113" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4145" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="One philosophical objection to approval voting is how you compare what approval means between two different people.  There's no absolute standard.  For a different approach, you could ask everyone to rank the candidates.  The idea that is preferring X to Y has a clear meaning independent of the voter, in a way that approval voting does not.  The drawback is that it makes voting more cumbersome, and it's not clear how to tally the votes." CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:12:53.830" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4146" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="Arrow's impossibility theorem says that there's no ideal method to combine voter rankings into a societal ranking.  (Ideal meaning three properties.  Unanimity, meaning if everyone prefers X to Y then so does society.  Independence of irrelevant alternatives, meaning adding Z as a candidate cannot change the relative rankings of X and Y.  And no dictatorship, meaning there isn't just one person who single-handedly determines the societal rankings.)  This is bad news for democracy, and it means when there are more than three alternatives we have to make some compromises in the voting method." CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:15:12.950" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4147" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="One possibility is Borda count: with n candidates, you give n-1 votes to your top candidate, n-2 to the next, ..., down to 0 to the last.  Then these votes are totaled.  Of course one can adjust the weightings, but this is a particularly nice choice (it sums up the number of pairwise comparisons each candidate wins).  See the book Chaotic Elections by Saari for arguments in favor of the Borda count." CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:17:46.633" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4148" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="The system everyone hates is plurality, where only first-place votes count at all (as in U.S. presidential elections).  Just about anything is better than that, since plurality has terrible issues with wasted votes, similar candidates splitting their support and losing to less popular candidates, etc." CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:19:22.530" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4150" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="STV is basically designed to be as close to plurality as possible.  I.e., you start out by counting only first-place votes, but you iteratively adjust things as you eliminate candidates.  In certain types of elections, this fixes problems with spoiler candidates (who will quickly get eliminated and play no further role).  Furthermore, it can be politically more tenable since it feels like a modification of plurality voting, rather than an entirely different method." CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:22:18.073" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4151" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="On the other hand, it's by far the most complicated method (in its iterative dynamics), and these sorts of complications seem problematic in a voting system.  Furthermore, preserving plurality voting's primary role for first-place votes is not a good thing.  If you're going to ask voters for more information than that, you should try to take it into account in as principled a way as you can, rather than gradually letting some of it leak into your results as a patch for plurality voting." CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:24:45.447" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4153" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="Sorry for the incredibly lengthy comments, but I figured I might as well give a more detailed outline of the background.  (Hopefully those who don't want to read this won't expand the comments.)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:25:36.793" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4154" PostId="936" Score="1" Text="Thanks very much for your informative elaboration of your remarks!" CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:26:14.720" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4155" PostId="936" Score="9" Text="I would suggest that you make a post with such kind of arguments to meta.SO with a proposal to change the voting mechanism for all future SE elections.  You could also post one answer per voting system, and see how the support goes..." CreationDate="2013-10-02T02:29:19.627" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4157" PostId="936" Score="1" Text="SE uses [an open-source software](http://www.openstv.org/faq) and publishes the anonymized votes after the election so people can recheck them. I don't think predictability is needed or even a desired property. As you mentioned all [voting systems](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_system) have some issues and critics." CreationDate="2013-10-02T05:31:32.687" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4169" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="In a sense, the intransparency of STV is its only positive quality: It is [very hard](http://arxiv.org/abs/0911.3708) to figure out how to vote strategically." CreationDate="2013-10-02T07:53:14.943" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="4179" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="&quot;Predictability&quot; is probably not the right word, but I mean something absolutely essential.  The only purpose of a voting system is to make an argument for how the voters' opinions should be integrated to arrive at a result.  No way of doing this is perfect, but we still want a method that is intellectually compelling.  Approval voting, range voting, and Borda count all have clear, compelling motivations.  E.g., &quot;these candidates won because they got the most approvals&quot; or &quot;these candidates won because they fared the best in pairwise comparisons&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-02T12:21:01.400" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4180" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="In other words, the point is not just to select a winner, but to justify a winner to the community, and this is where STV falls apart completely.  In simple cases it does fine (like every sane voting system), but in complicated elections, nobody can understand or predict what's going on, and that makes the results meaningless.  These contentious cases are exactly where you want a strong argument for what, if anything, these results have to do with the will of the community." CreationDate="2013-10-02T12:31:04.807" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4181" PostId="936" Score="1" Text="Using OpenSTV and publishing anonymous votes is a responsible way of handling STV voting, but it addresses a side issue (will STV be done correctly, rather than will it give a sensible result).  The usual justification for STV is that voters who are used to plurality voting will not trust any method that looks different, so better methods are not even on the table and the only question is STV vs. plurality.  That may be true for citizens voting in elections, but it shouldn't be true for mathematicians." CreationDate="2013-10-02T12:40:41.803" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4187" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="I don't think we want arguments for their own sake but for some goal. I kind of feel that the goal is to maximize the total satisfaction of the participants about the outcome where all users are considered to be equals and I feel that STV does a good job in this respect." CreationDate="2013-10-02T17:27:16.127" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4188" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="(On philosophical grounds regarding Arrow's theorem, I think IIA is not realistic as studies in behavioral psychology show that even for one person the existence of even suboptimal alternative have an effect on the resulting decision.)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T17:38:35.023" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4197" PostId="936" Score="1" Text="Wow, I guess holding elections in a crowd with intimate knowledge of voting paradoxes is a bit like deciding what to eat for dessert in a diabetic community." CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:08:48.523" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4261" PostId="936" Score="3" Text="I used to manage our faculty elections, and I wrote my own STV software to support the elections. I find it an eminently fair system. I mean no disrespect to Henry, who obviously has thought about the issue carefully. But I don't see this as a significant issue. Let us see how it goes and consider alternatives if we find it does not sit well with us after the election." CreationDate="2013-10-03T17:26:08.720" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="4164" PostId="938" Score="0" Text="I don't think the link is for that. I think it's for questions from the MO 1.0 period." CreationDate="2013-10-02T07:16:02.683" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4165" PostId="938" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: Thanks, I interpreted it as more general, but may be wrong.  I'll reword." CreationDate="2013-10-02T07:17:48.467" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="4295" PostId="943" Score="3" Text="&quot;the percentage of Ph.D.s [in the US] earned by women in 2000 and 2008 were both approximately 30 percent.&quot; From [this MAA link](http://horizonsaftermath.blogspot.com/2012/08/measuring-womens-progress-in-mathematics.html)." CreationDate="2013-10-04T17:02:54.723" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="4298" PostId="943" Score="3" Text="The corresponding figure in the UK is 25%, http://www.blitzadv.co.uk/LMS-BTL-17Report.pdf" CreationDate="2013-10-04T17:43:31.150" UserId="6481" />
  <row Id="4279" PostId="944" Score="1" Text="If he decides to run, and wins, I hope his moderation will be categorical! *instant rimshot*" CreationDate="2013-10-04T07:58:56.860" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4283" PostId="944" Score="1" Text="No, Asaf, it should be in a higher category! :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-04T11:21:58.050" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4287" PostId="944" Score="5" Text="@quid (et al): Thank you for your very kind words, and for the show of support. However, I can think of a variety of reasons why I do not consider myself a good fit for the position, and so with some regret I feel I'd better decline. (I hope we can get *someone* who will accept!)" CreationDate="2013-10-04T13:09:47.327" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4288" PostId="944" Score="0" Text="@Todd: &quot;Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown [read: diamond]&quot;, I suppose. :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-04T14:15:12.660" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4289" PostId="944" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble thank you for the reply, though I had so hoped for a different one :-(" CreationDate="2013-10-04T14:21:46.340" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4290" PostId="944" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila It's not primarily that. The overriding consideration is that I'm not actually employed as a professional academic mathematician (although I might play one on the internet, and I'm a PhD). I therefore do not consider myself qualified to moderate working professionals, and frankly I consider myself naive about many things which would be absolutely relevant here. Please consider however upvoting my nomination of David Speyer (and I hope he's open to the idea)." CreationDate="2013-10-04T14:43:42.793" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4291" PostId="944" Score="2" Text="@Todd: I did that last part already! And to the other point, I don't know if one has to be a professional mathematician in order to moderate this website. But okay." CreationDate="2013-10-04T14:45:46.257" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4293" PostId="944" Score="12" Text="@ToddTrimble I do not want to be insistent but this is a &quot;bad&quot; reason in my opinion. I even considered to mention this as a positive point in my nomination. And, I always felt you were very qualified to moderate me." CreationDate="2013-10-04T15:19:16.490" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4297" PostId="944" Score="0" Text="I concur with quid.  I will respect your choice, but not your reason.  I imagine you and Qiaochu would be fine additions to the moderator team." CreationDate="2013-10-04T17:29:51.587" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="4315" PostId="944" Score="10" Text="Todd, as someone who's known you for much longer than most people on MO, I think you'd make a great moderator, and I don't accept for a moment that you're not qualified to do it.  There are lots of reasonable reasons for you not to want to do it, but I don't buy the one you mention!" CreationDate="2013-10-05T17:03:35.447" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="4317" PostId="944" Score="0" Text="This comment is just here so that @ToddTrimble does not miss the preceding comment by Tom Leinster (sorry for the noise in case this was not necessary)." CreationDate="2013-10-05T18:28:25.897" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4319" PostId="944" Score="0" Text="I hear you guys... have responded privately to Tom. Maybe more later." CreationDate="2013-10-05T21:06:03.550" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4336" PostId="944" Score="13" Text="@quid (and others): after talking with some others and thinking about it some more, I have gone ahead and put myself down as a nominee. Thanks once again." CreationDate="2013-10-07T00:14:52.493" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4341" PostId="944" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Thank you. This is great news! :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-07T10:23:31.657" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4194" PostId="945" Score="7" Text="I would think that the signal-to-noise ratio on mathoverflow is still a bit too low to be enticing those experts who aren't already participating. The number of non-research quality questions on the front page at any given time is quite a deterrent. But +1, I agree that we should try to invite the experts, particularly in areas where MO is &quot;weak&quot;: analysis, pde, ..." CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:00:34.373" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4201" PostId="945" Score="2" Text="Aha! @ViditNanda, maybe a low noise front for MO would help? We have tried to get people interested in playing an editorial role and have some kind of &quot;selected picks.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:42:58.190" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4204" PostId="945" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais a low-noise front would be a step in the right direction. I would help with that in a heartbeat. But why an editorial board? Surely it is possible to implement &#xA;&#xA;if (tags include x) and (numvotes &gt; y) and (not community wiki) then copy to low-noise front.&#xA;&#xA;So all we should need is a collection of important but under-represented tags and a vote threshold, rather than a cumbersome and slow editorial process, no?" CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:52:34.523" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4206" PostId="945" Score="10" Text="@ViditNanda, do you really think the ratio is so low? It seems to me that MO is full of extremely interesting questions for experts." CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:59:05.227" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4208" PostId="945" Score="0" Text="@Vidit: We already have that (e.g. the weekly newsletter) but it doesn't work very well. Also, I wasn't thinking about an editorial board but a way to get everyone to perform editorial tasks in the same way that everyone performs moderation tasks now. (Though we have floated the idea of adding an editor-type appointment to the MO crew to oversee this in a manner similar that moderators oversee the moderation tasks.)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:04:34.767" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4209" PostId="945" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins on the main page to the right I see &quot;recent tags&quot;. Near the top, eg algebraic geometry and combinatorics, which I dare say are well-represented fields on MO, we have some outstanding questions in the &quot;newest&quot; pile. But as you sink down to the middle (eg geometric topology), one starts to see that there are few highly upvoted questions. By the time you hit the really low volume stuff (see measure theory), by definition there are hardly any questions at all! So to a measure theorist, the signal to noise is almost zero." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:10:22.007" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4210" PostId="945" Score="1" Text="But there are perhaps dozens if not hundreds of outstanding measure-theory questions on MO (here is one I asked: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/87838/is-every-sigma-algebra-the-borel-algebra-of-a-topology)." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:11:29.273" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4217" PostId="945" Score="3" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins there are only about a 100 unanswered questions tagged measure theory, of which the best received one has only 14 upvotes. Set theory has 136, but the top few are stellar (particularly Simon's question with 100 upvotes!) I just wanted to point out that typically an established researcher is unlikely to dig through the bowels of this site looking for gems: in order to hook such people we will need good questions in their field with much greater frequency. Maybe you're right, we should get their grad students to start posting!" CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:25:29.177" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4218" PostId="945" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I didn't know there was a newsletter! But getting back to a noiseless front with only the best questions: I think that's a wonderful idea and I'd be happy to help out in any way." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:27:26.107" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4225" PostId="945" Score="0" Text="I posted a separate question for this - http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/948/how-to-emphasize-mathoverflows-best-content" CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:45:00.490" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4226" PostId="945" Score="0" Text="@Vidit, my point was that measure theory is not a &quot;really low volume&quot; topic, as you assert. Indeed, the measure-theory tag has 575 questions, which places it on the first page of tags (out of 38 pages). So this would seem to be one of our more active topics." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:45:07.937" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4280" PostId="945" Score="3" Text="Two things that might help reduce the amount of clutter on the front page: Whenever you see an off-topic question, vote it down (and of course also vote to close). If the questions gets a low enough score (I think -4 or -5), it will no longer be shown on the front page. The other things is probably less likely, as it would involve a change to the software: Stop showing migrated questions on the front page." CreationDate="2013-10-04T08:30:49.723" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="24651" PostId="945" Score="0" Text="Re: *I have a feeling that some subject areas are underrepresented in MO*. Here is a related discussion: [What areas/aspects of mathematics are underrepresented on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2418)" CreationDate="2021-01-15T05:47:54.107" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4196" PostId="946" Score="0" Text="Especially because graduate students and post docs have more time and motivation for participating in online activities." CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:07:35.717" UserDisplayName="user23860" />
  <row Id="4205" PostId="946" Score="13" Text="I find that graduate students and even young faculty are sometimes reluctant to post their (outstanding) questions here, and I believe that overcoming that resistance will be key to having a more robust activity here. Perhaps they shy away because of a fear of rejection? In this light, we may blame the over-aggressive closing of questions, rather than the supposed presence of too many marginal questions, that is the obstacle preventing greater involvement. In other words, closing too many questions is off-putting for those who might ask really good questions, by making them fearful." CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:58:01.317" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4216" PostId="946" Score="7" Text="Several people have told me that they don't participate on MO because there is too much garbage to wade through.  No one has said he or she was put off because of questions being closed." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:24:25.473" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="4220" PostId="946" Score="11" Text="I see. That is very strange. My experience is the opposite: I've heard from many young Assistant Professors who have excellent questions (which they sometimes send to me directly), but are too fearful to post.  And I've never heard anyone speak as you say. But I suppose that different areas may have differing levels of garbage." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:33:48.703" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4230" PostId="946" Score="6" Text="I don't think that Bill and Joel's positions are contradictory.  There are lots of homework/undergrad questions, which discourages senior people.  These are often closed aggressively, with aggressive comments intended to discourage off-topic questions.  This may then scare postdocs and grad students from posting because they are afraid their question might receive similar treatment. And sometimes decent questions are closed too quickly, but usually the decent ones get reopened." CreationDate="2013-10-03T00:12:11.007" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4231" PostId="946" Score="0" Text="And your experience surprises me.  The logicians I know have had very thick skins ever since they were young." CreationDate="2013-10-03T00:13:01.600" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="4234" PostId="946" Score="5" Text="Bill, I think perhaps the need for that was greater in previous mathematical generations, which tended to have less appreciation for logic. Fortunately, things are different now." CreationDate="2013-10-03T01:45:41.920" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4310" PostId="946" Score="2" Text="@Joel David Hamkins &quot;I've heard from many young Assistant Professors who have excellent questions (which they sometimes send to me directly), but are too fearful to post.&quot; Then just post those you couldn't answer yourself :-)." CreationDate="2013-10-05T10:45:41.273" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="4559" PostId="946" Score="1" Text="I suspect there is selection bias - questions from less popular areas get fewer votes (obvious), and appear more likely to be closed (if true, an issue for high-rep users and moderators)." CreationDate="2013-10-14T16:25:36.900" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="4203" PostId="947" Score="0" Text="(I wrote this request, by the way, because I found myself avoiding the private message system and reverting back to email anyway.)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T22:48:31.750" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4222" PostId="947" Score="3" Text="Having seen both MO and m.SE moderation in action, I think the MO model is much much better than the SE model, and hope that we can continue to stay as close as possible to the old model." CreationDate="2013-10-02T23:37:56.287" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="4237" PostId="947" Score="3" Text="Moderators on other sites typically discuss more difficult cases in a mod-only chat room. This works pretty well in my experience, but I can see how it does not fit the MO moderator workflow if you prefer email. There is an archive of all mod messages on the site at `/admin/users` and every mod should get notifications in their inbox for them." CreationDate="2013-10-03T06:54:30.203" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="4266" PostId="947" Score="1" Text="None of the MathOverflow moderators really adopted use of the SE chat rooms except when necessary to contact someone (i.e. we would have preferred to just know the relevant email address). I understand it's a good system, I'd just prefer that contacting users fits in well with the system we actually use, i.e. email. The archive of mod messages is useful, but not as useful to me as just being able to type &quot;moderators@mathoverflow.net&quot; in the search box in gmail and see them all there." CreationDate="2013-10-03T23:50:44.047" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4292" PostId="948" Score="0" Text="A problem.  Suppose all the highest-voted posts are in 2 or 3 subfields of mathematics?  Do we want to somehow insure a representative sample of broad mathematics in our list?  And for fields with smaller membership, what if the &quot;top&quot; posts come only once a week or something?" CreationDate="2013-10-04T15:11:44.380" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="18616" PostId="948" Score="0" Text="The best content of MO is the questions and answers that have at most 1 upvote." CreationDate="2019-03-23T03:24:40.633" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="4235" PostId="949" Score="3" Text="An interesting possibility is that we could implement this ourselves. Using the API, a purely static HTML page (i.e. the hosting is trivial) can dynamically load posts and filter in any way we like. It could be prototyped and improved as a standalone project. We own the DNS, so we could subsequently point something like best.mathoverflow.net at it (although is wasn't too check there were no objections from SE before doing this)." CreationDate="2013-10-03T03:24:37.703" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4236" PostId="949" Score="0" Text="And presumably said static page could have 'answer' links which go the page of the question on MO proper (and preferably with focus on the answer field)." CreationDate="2013-10-03T06:39:41.003" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="4250" PostId="949" Score="0" Text="To flesh this out even more: Do we want just a list of top questions? A separate list of unanswered questions? Top questions separated by sub-areas?" CreationDate="2013-10-03T13:58:50.067" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4251" PostId="949" Score="0" Text="Dear Joseph, thanks for the vote-of-confidence as well as the good ideas. Regarding the questions by @FrançoisG.Dorais, I'd say we at least want a &quot;general&quot; list of top questions. If nothing else, this would help us isolate those sub-areas where we need to get stronger." CreationDate="2013-10-03T14:06:48.843" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4255" PostId="949" Score="0" Text="@Vidit &amp; François: I myself am more interested in a general list of top questions than I am in promoting specific areas. I think the latter might undermine the former; and conversely, the former might (partially) accomplish the latter. Top questions separated by subareas might be difficult. If you imagine doing that with the questions on the current front page, you would end up with each subarea populated with an average of 1 question." CreationDate="2013-10-03T14:27:16.050" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5321" PostId="951" Score="0" Text="I believe this is incorrect -- see my [answer](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1172/1898) to this question." CreationDate="2013-11-13T12:06:09.770" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5509" PostId="951" Score="1" Text="My answer below was incorrect and the TOS have changed, but I still believe that this answer is not fully correct, as it omits some restrictions. See my new question http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1212/problematic-wording-of-the-tos-take-two. In particular, (1) there are additional restrictions with respect to CC-BY-SA (2) no specific version of the CC-BY-SA is mentioned in the TOS. The TOS themselves contain links to at least two different versions of CC-BY-SA. (3) the author cannot waive the additional restrictions by relicensing, since they are mandated by Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2013-11-27T11:01:17.083" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21160" PostId="951" Score="2" Text="As pointed out in [another answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4369/) this is no longer the case: the license is now CC BY-SA 4.0." CreationDate="2019-10-13T20:27:41.397" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21177" PostId="951" Score="4" Text="@François G. Dorais: What's the status of old content that was contributed by an author under CC BY-SA 3: Is it still under CC BY-SA 3 license or is it now under   CC BY-SA 4 license?" CreationDate="2019-10-15T05:59:30.840" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="21184" PostId="951" Score="0" Text="@tj_ I am certainly no expert, so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but presumably SE could just share your content under the 4.0 license and give proper attribution(which your name etc is attached to all your posts so that is already done). I believe that 3.0 has a &quot;can share under compatible licenses&quot;/later version clause" CreationDate="2019-10-16T13:25:16.917" UserDisplayName="user35370" />
  <row Id="28384" PostId="951" Score="0" Text="@tj_ The old content is still licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0. See the official post [Creative Commons Licensing UI and Data Updates](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/347758) on Meta SE for full details." CreationDate="2023-03-19T14:01:07.463" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="4242" PostId="952" Score="0" Text="I've forwarded this to our community team. Please try to use bugs for development issues, this clearly has to go through legal first :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-03T12:30:11.203" UserId="35423" />
  <row Id="4244" PostId="952" Score="0" Text="Checking on this ...." CreationDate="2013-10-03T12:36:45.300" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="4245" PostId="952" Score="6" Text="@Sklivvz: How should we tag documentation bugs then? They're legitimate bugs, regardless of who or what is involved in checking or fixing it." CreationDate="2013-10-03T12:40:21.113" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4246" PostId="952" Score="0" Text="It's an issue with legal terms. As such you are probably better off using the [contact us](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/contact) form linked in the footer (no need to do this now, I've contacted the right people directly)." CreationDate="2013-10-03T12:59:47.987" UserId="35423" />
  <row Id="4247" PostId="952" Score="11" Text="@Sklivvz: My question is about the appropriate tag for this. If it's not a bug then what is it?" CreationDate="2013-10-03T13:07:11.763" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4238" PostId="953" Score="9" Text="Thank you.  However, I'm not interested in moderating at this time." CreationDate="2013-10-03T07:01:43.270" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="4275" PostId="953" Score="11" Text="While I do agree that @Pete would make a good moderator; the reason you give is absolutely wrong for nominating someone for a moderator. Moderators don't have to be top notch mathematicians or even top notch answerers. They deal with other sides of the site." CreationDate="2013-10-04T06:42:14.983" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4257" PostId="954" Score="11" Text="Thanks for the nomination!  I think I'm going to decline.  First, I'm feeling overbooked this year.  Second, I feel like MO has grown to the point where new moderators shouldn't be grad school officemates of the other moderators." CreationDate="2013-10-03T14:30:05.740" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="4265" PostId="954" Score="0" Text="I wonder if (presumably excepting François) the other moderators are actually all in the same connected component of the &quot;have-shared-an-office&quot; graph. Scott C and I shared an office, but I don't remember enough of the rest of the Berkeley graph for last decade to guess an answer. It's possible that stratification by years was a strong enough effect to break this." CreationDate="2013-10-03T23:42:54.333" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4271" PostId="954" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: You, me, and Ben shared a balcony office in 05, right?" CreationDate="2013-10-04T02:08:48.137" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="4272" PostId="954" Score="0" Text="Oh dear, my memory is going faster than I feared. I shared an office with Joel, Soroosh, and Sami at various times; do any of those get us to Anton and David? (Apologies this is wildly off-topic...)" CreationDate="2013-10-04T02:28:36.343" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4273" PostId="954" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: Too bad you can't use marriages as edges.  Kate and Anton were officemates, right?" CreationDate="2013-10-04T03:26:24.560" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="4274" PostId="954" Score="4" Text="I'd want my edges clearly labelled, on that graph. :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-04T04:42:46.827" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4278" PostId="955" Score="10" Text="I'll give it some thought.   I suppose this year is better than any for me.  Thanks for the nomination." CreationDate="2013-10-04T07:21:48.513" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="4316" PostId="955" Score="3" Text="@Ryan, You may need to go through the formality of placing an answer on the election page soon if you intend to accept." CreationDate="2013-10-05T18:02:32.760" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="4240" PostId="956" Score="2" Text="Tim, so your main issue is that personal user information could leak out. But `moderators@mathoverflow.net` is and has always been the *official* email of the mathoverflow moderators. If you want us to add MathOverflow by-laws governing how this email can be used so that everything complies with the SE TOS, we can definitely do that." CreationDate="2013-10-03T11:49:17.023" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4241" PostId="956" Score="0" Text="Well, it's that, and we like to have any correspondence with users available to all diamonds (mods and staff), in case we need to reference it. My other concern is picking up on communication via email, and it never finding its way back to where others can find it." CreationDate="2013-10-03T12:26:45.443" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="4243" PostId="956" Score="0" Text="OK. There is no problem adding all necessary recipients to that email address and/or deposit all incoming and outgoing messages to an appropriate location." CreationDate="2013-10-03T12:36:29.097" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4267" PostId="956" Score="2" Text="Personally, even a decent search interface under /admin wouldn't completely solve my problem. I already have an excellent search interface for my email, and I'd love to just reduce to a previously solved problem!" CreationDate="2013-10-03T23:53:37.440" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4268" PostId="956" Score="1" Text="I've already had instances where I didn't see that another moderator had already contacted a user through the site, and I wrote an email to our moderator mailing list proposing an alternative action to take, because I had seen anything yet show up in my inbox." CreationDate="2013-10-03T23:54:34.570" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4269" PostId="956" Score="4" Text="I also have to admit that I continue to think &quot;in the long term&quot;, about what would happen if one day MO again departed from the SE network. An email archive would at that point become much more useful than one under a URL on a potentially defunct website." CreationDate="2013-10-03T23:54:50.303" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4270" PostId="956" Score="2" Text="It occurs to me that we might set up a second email alias &quot;moderation@mathoverflow.net&quot; that also CC's you guys. Thus for private communication amongst the moderators we could continue to use moderators@mathoverflow.net, but when we contact users we can use that address, to keep you in the loop." CreationDate="2013-10-03T23:56:29.390" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4252" PostId="957" Score="2" Text="I think that's a good idea too. Since voting means &quot;this was useful to me&quot; the proposed mark is sufficiently different. There is a danger that the distinction is potentially confusing, so we need a mechanism that makes the distinction very clear." CreationDate="2013-10-03T14:10:44.477" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4262" PostId="957" Score="1" Text="The question is whether new experts are more attracted to general in terest questions or more to specialized questions. Maybe, we should sort with priority to underrepresented tags." CreationDate="2013-10-03T17:52:26.290" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="4264" PostId="957" Score="0" Text="I downvoted, to indicate my feeling this is implausible to implement. The SE folks would not be interested in going this network wide, and it's beyond what we might be able to hack ourselves." CreationDate="2013-10-03T23:32:19.190" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4276" PostId="957" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison I am afraid you are completely correct about that. As for doing something like this ourselves, I feel that it would not be completely impossible (though the implementation would be rather different), but it would mean those experts picking out the questions and answers would have to spend more time doing so, which might not be plausible." CreationDate="2013-10-04T06:53:24.283" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="4277" PostId="957" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker Good point. If anything like this was possible, it might then make sense to split into a &quot;general interest&quot; and an &quot;interesting to specialists in the field&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-04T06:55:13.530" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="4294" PostId="957" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison I think this is testing the right boundaries of cooperation between us and SE. If we do it ourselves, all we need that is a way to eliminate repeated votes and check a reputation threshold? I don't think that's too much to ask. The question is whether this is the right project to do that with (and I can think of a few more important projects I'd rather spend that energy on)." CreationDate="2013-10-04T15:24:06.453" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4308" PostId="957" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, even with JavaScript hackery, it would be rather hard to restrict any kind of voting (thresholds or duplicates), in a way that anyone couldn't circumvent with a few lines of their own JavaScript. I don't think I'd want to allow that, and further I think the SE folks would reasonably complain. Our freedom to add JavaScript has not been well-specified, but there are restrictions on extra code that could compromise the site." CreationDate="2013-10-05T05:18:41.323" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4311" PostId="957" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison Yes, our contract only ensures client side modifications that do not compromise the site's functionality. In hindsight, a cooperation clause would have been more useful. I think there are other projects where we can push the idea of cooperation further. As for this one, I can think of a few reasons why this recommendation scheme should be on best.MO rather than main.MO and for it not to be directly attached to main site usership (e.g. this kind of detachment would eliminate confusion with voting). This idea needs a lot more hashing out..." CreationDate="2013-10-05T12:42:04.083" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4253" PostId="958" Score="8" Text="Yes, and the related issue of whether you can authorize other users to use your content under a more permissive license.  (Of course you must license it under CC BY-SA as well, but that's not an exclusive license.)  Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-10-03T14:16:12.067" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4254" PostId="958" Score="1" Text="Yes, this is merely a documentation bug where the text could be interpreted differently than intended." CreationDate="2013-10-03T14:26:45.860" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4541" PostId="958" Score="1" Text="That word &quot;*could*&quot; you keep using looks like cover-your-ass legalese to me. I don't see any other possible interpretation of that paragraph. So, in case our answers get into the records somehow, as a user of the site my answer to your clarification request is: **no**, the issue is not that the language *could* be read in that way; it is that the paragraph means exactly what is written in it, and we users find that overly restrictive." CreationDate="2013-10-14T10:16:48.313" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="4971" PostId="958" Score="1" Text="Indeed, the language *could* be read that way, and in fact I struggle to see any other way to read it." CreationDate="2013-10-28T15:55:51.760" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="4972" PostId="958" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni, I hear you. To be clear, I'm using it because we don't *intend* it to mean that.   More importantly, we're now actively looking into how to remove or edit that line to eliminate this concern." CreationDate="2013-10-28T16:01:50.583" UserId="35607" />
  <row Id="5523" PostId="958" Score="4" Text="Thanks!  There's still a technicality, though: the revised wording lets you use your own content elsewhere, but it doesn't seem to let you authorize other people to do so.  (For example, even if you explicitly place an answer in the public domain, it would be a TOS violation for someone else to use it without following the CC BY-SA attribution rules.  Copyright law would have no problem with this reuse, but the terms of service impose additional restrictions.)" CreationDate="2013-11-29T06:14:02.930" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4281" PostId="961" Score="0" Text="The parenthetical seems incorrect (not that this is relevant in any way)." CreationDate="2013-10-04T11:07:12.513" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4282" PostId="961" Score="0" Text="Ah, I read down the user-rep column rather than across the row! Parenthetical remark now removed. Thanks, quid!" CreationDate="2013-10-04T11:15:59.170" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="4285" PostId="961" Score="13" Text="Your nomination is truly very kind; thank you. If I were able to borrow  a copy of myself from another universe, then I would surely do this, and perhaps I would like to be moderator at some point in the future. But for now, I regret that I must decline." CreationDate="2013-10-04T12:14:43.020" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="4284" PostId="962" Score="13" Text="Thank you, Ryan! I think I *would* enjoy it, eventually. But right now I am a fulltime Dean, which means (as you know) that I am much wiser than mere professors, but I have no time to exercise this wisdom in MO. Perhaps when I return to the faculty... Meanwhile, I'll try to maintain the graphics standards. :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-04T11:24:16.870" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="4337" PostId="963" Score="2" Text="Thank you very much for the nomination.  I'm not categorically opposed to being a moderator, but I do have a lot of other things going on right now (eg I have 3 PhD students, I'm running a summer program for high school students, I have co-authors breathing down my neck to finish writing our papers, etc).  Since there are now a decent number of other reasonable candidates, I am going to decline the nomination this time." CreationDate="2013-10-07T02:44:46.573" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="4307" PostId="964" Score="6" Text="Thank you very much, and I gave it some serious thought, but I'm going to turn this down. I suspect I'll say yes one of these days, but I am at a point where I simply need to say no to every commitment which I am not burningly eager to take on." CreationDate="2013-10-05T02:48:14.943" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="4296" PostId="965" Score="0" Text="I think the current moderators do not share country of origin as much as they share a common university for their Ph.D, Berkeley." CreationDate="2013-10-04T17:23:05.393" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="4299" PostId="965" Score="0" Text="Not even that; François is not from Berkeley." CreationDate="2013-10-04T18:00:08.723" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4300" PostId="965" Score="4" Text="(Nor am I from the US.)" CreationDate="2013-10-04T18:05:14.313" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4304" PostId="965" Score="0" Text="@François, Ryan, Andres: O.k. -- Thanks for pointing this out! -- I have corrected the text." CreationDate="2013-10-04T21:04:41.147" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4305" PostId="965" Score="2" Text="Just to make things clear: I'm not disagreeing with the desire for diversity. I'm just clarifying the facts." CreationDate="2013-10-04T21:13:19.360" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4318" PostId="968" Score="0" Text="I answered this older question now as the question resurfaced 'to the top' and I thus was reminded of this (as opposed to explictly wanting to  restart this discussion)." CreationDate="2013-10-05T18:57:26.007" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4320" PostId="970" Score="2" Text="So if I understand the text of the complete agreement right, the answer to your question &quot;Who owns MathOverflow?&quot; is &quot;Anton Geraschenko&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-10-05T23:14:30.960" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4321" PostId="970" Score="13" Text="Not quite. In the US, corporations are individuals. Anton is the current president of the corporation. The articles of incorporation are still being finalized. Until now, we were running on a minimalist structure just sufficient to sign the contract with SE." CreationDate="2013-10-05T23:19:06.167" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4322" PostId="970" Score="0" Text="Thanks for clarifying!" CreationDate="2013-10-06T08:43:23.283" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4323" PostId="970" Score="6" Text="No problem, @Stefan. We had been planning to do this for a while and we will give more details once they are finalized. Right now, we are working with our lawyers to make a strong 501(c)(3) application and small details are still subject to change to ensure that MO complies with all IRS regulations concerning nonprofits. Once these matters are settled, we will release all relevant details. In the mean time, feel free to ask any questions!" CreationDate="2013-10-06T13:06:10.990" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4931" PostId="970" Score="5" Text="What about the site policies and guidlines? Does the agreement also state in some form that SE has to refrain from interferring with decisions about what kind of questions are allowed, under what conditions a member should be banned and for how long, deleting, etc?. Some SE policies (such as an automated downvote that goes along with certain close reasons) are hard wired in the software, does MO have the right to disable them if needed? Do higher rank network moderator and SE stuff have the power to overrule the MO community (moderators), or is there some binding contract which prevents this?" CreationDate="2013-10-26T10:31:29.867" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="7287" PostId="970" Score="3" Text="@Dilaton, sorry, I see this comment was never answered. There are no explicit arrangements in place regarding most of your questions. We made it very clear that inappropriate moderation by SE employees would result in us wanting to leave the SE network (which, per above, we're more or less able to, if we care enough). They seemed to understand our position perfectly well, and we were happy with the informal understanding." CreationDate="2014-03-31T04:21:28.487" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7288" PostId="970" Score="8" Text="We do not have any 'rights' to disable automatic mechanisms in the operation of the site. This is, indeed, potentially a problem, but essentially a part of the price we pay for access to SE's amazing software. (Note that even before joining the SE network, in no sense did we have such a right, or even capability.)" CreationDate="2014-03-31T04:22:40.030" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13465" PostId="970" Score="0" Text="There are several occurrences of future tense in comments. Is it an update time? Has anything changed?" CreationDate="2016-09-05T06:47:18.190" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13466" PostId="970" Score="3" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე All done: MO is a fully functional 501(c)(3) nonprofit. (This is always retroactive to the date of application, so nothing has actually changed since then.)" CreationDate="2016-09-05T10:41:20.260" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="13547" PostId="970" Score="2" Text="Wow, I've just noticed that the answer was posted in less than 60 seconds from the appearance of the question, you must be a typing champion!" CreationDate="2016-09-22T12:05:24.080" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="15223" PostId="970" Score="2" Text="@domotorp The same microsecond, in fact." CreationDate="2017-11-04T17:31:54.607" UserId="114888" />
  <row Id="20379" PostId="970" Score="2" Text="It seems that the link in the answer no longer works - when I try to access it, I get the following message from Google Drive: &quot;We're sorry. You can't access this item because it is in violation of our Terms of Service.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-06-20T06:46:14.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20390" PostId="970" Score="5" Text="@MartinSleziak Try this new one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-Rx93qiEH3t9wAwsyvuVzjawF62X6OgI/view?usp=sharing" CreationDate="2019-06-20T11:21:04.183" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="24396" PostId="970" Score="4" Text="For the benefit of other users, I'll mention that the text of the agreement can now be seen here: [What is MathOverflow's “agreement” with Stack Exchange?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4429) (Just in case the link stops working again.)" CreationDate="2021-01-06T16:31:51.680" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28377" PostId="970" Score="1" Text="Is corruption within the stackexchange corporation potentially a threat to MathOverflow?" CreationDate="2023-03-10T16:18:45.183" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="4325" PostId="971" Score="4" Text="They should be encouraged to delete and start over, not to migrate.  Migrated questions continue to appear on MO's front page for a while." CreationDate="2013-10-06T14:58:03.187" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="4326" PostId="971" Score="6" Text="@Steven: Migrated questions keep the comments, which may have a positive influence on the question on MSE as well." CreationDate="2013-10-06T15:49:42.277" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4331" PostId="971" Score="4" Text="@StevenLandsburg please keep in mind that if a user is not registered they *cannot* delete their question (which should be a non-negligible fraction of users asking the type of questions we are talking about here). Thus as a general procedure this cannot work." CreationDate="2013-10-06T19:44:03.543" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4333" PostId="971" Score="2" Text="One could add &quot;, which welcomes general mathematical questions&quot; to somehow point out why it is better suited there. There is the (suspected) HW issue too for this one could have in addition &quot;If this should be a homework problem and you decide to reask there, please, use the 'homework' tag there and indicate there what you have tried already and where you got stuck.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-06T19:51:28.023" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4334" PostId="971" Score="3" Text="I think a lot of problems would be solved if the first person voting to close would not just vote to close but would also leave an appropriate comment. On questions that meet the standards of m.se, the comment might read, &quot;This question will soon be migrated to m.se; please be patient.&quot; On questions that don't meet the standards of m.se, the comment might read, &quot;This question may get a better reception at m.se, provided....&quot; where you fill in the ellipsis with an indication of what the author has to do to get up to standard. Continued..." CreationDate="2013-10-06T22:39:05.277" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="4335" PostId="971" Score="2" Text="...In the first case, the question should be closed and migrated to m.se; in the second case, it should be closed and **not** migrated to m.se." CreationDate="2013-10-06T22:40:31.910" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="4352" PostId="971" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson, the problem with your solution is a number of users are very strongly against migrating to MSE and so the question may just end up closed. So it is probably better to suggest posting in MSE if the question is not migrated for you (or some better wording)." CreationDate="2013-10-07T18:23:20.433" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4376" PostId="971" Score="0" Text="@Steven: I disagree with that. It seems quite accepted that grad level exercises can be posted on this site, granted they are well motivated and contain the OP's attempt to find a solution, and where they are stuck. That is the level expected from an MSE question; although MSE is less strict in closing questions which do not have this level of detail (and of course mathematical level). But if it has some motivation and explanation from the OP on what they did and where they need help, then it's fine; otherwise... it's not. I'm sure everyone can recognize that sort of level." CreationDate="2013-10-07T23:42:36.493" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4377" PostId="971" Score="0" Text="Gah!  My comment (to which Asaf replied) contained two spurious letters, turning the intended word &quot;reasonably&quot; into the unintended word &quot;reasonably&quot;.  I'll soon delete the original and post a corrected version." CreationDate="2013-10-08T00:31:46.003" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="4378" PostId="971" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson: Many users of MO are not qualified to judge what does or doesn't meet the standards of MSE and therefore (quite reasonably) unwilling to make such judgments." CreationDate="2013-10-08T00:32:41.370" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="4381" PostId="971" Score="3" Text="@Steven: Your clarification comment is missing the two spurious letters, since &quot;reasonably&quot;$\triangle$&quot;reasonably&quot;=$\bot$. :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-08T06:29:59.713" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18137" PostId="971" Score="0" Text="Probably it should be mentioned that some users oppose sending people to Mathematics Stack Exchange (although it does not seem to be majority opinion). Here is a link to an older discussion on meta that I've seen about this: [Homework and migrating to math.se](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1248)." CreationDate="2019-01-09T07:40:18.543" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29513" PostId="971" Score="0" Text="MSE &quot;welcomes questions at any level&quot; I think offers the newcomer false hope.  High school level questions and even many college algebra questions are frequently closed, sometimes even if they are reasonably well written and clear mathematically.  Middle school and prior questions rarely survive long at all." CreationDate="2024-01-23T08:44:46.433" UserId="73494" />
  <row Id="4338" PostId="972" Score="2" Text="Thanks, Steven, that's very kind.  But I'm afraid I'm not regular enough in my habits for this to be a good idea." CreationDate="2013-10-07T02:58:41.850" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="4347" PostId="975" Score="0" Text="I caught that part, but I was wondering how much reputation is needed to vote in an election, not to self-nominate." CreationDate="2013-10-07T16:50:42.920" UserId="22840" />
  <row Id="4349" PostId="975" Score="0" Text="@CameronBuie I've corrected that, it's written in the sidebar but on the election page, and not the nomination page, I got a bit confused between those two." CreationDate="2013-10-07T16:54:20.633" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="4350" PostId="975" Score="0" Text="Aha! My thanks!" CreationDate="2013-10-07T16:54:49.007" UserId="22840" />
  <row Id="4389" PostId="975" Score="4" Text="Of course, it *means* any member with *at least* 150 reputation.  I hope." CreationDate="2013-10-08T12:16:31.363" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="4354" PostId="977" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I did so. But they are asking for users profile of the type meta.mathoverflow.net/... while my old account is not of this type." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:06:08.453" UserId="7031" />
  <row Id="4355" PostId="977" Score="0" Text="@user35633 The user ids should be identical as the users were all imported into the new site. So your old user should be on the new site with the old user id." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:18:32.017" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="4365" PostId="977" Score="0" Text="The problem is that http://mathoverflow.net/users/7031/damienc exists while http://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/7031/damienc does not. And for some reason the form only accepts an url of the type http://meta.mathoveflow..." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:47:51.270" UserId="7031" />
  <row Id="4373" PostId="977" Score="0" Text="@user35633 Just submit the form with the information you have, SE should be able to sort it out somehow" CreationDate="2013-10-07T21:44:07.000" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="11860" PostId="977" Score="0" Text="&quot;contact SE for the profile merge&quot;: I did this two times in the last month and nothing happend." CreationDate="2015-11-27T15:43:21.907" UserId="23950" />
  <row Id="4357" PostId="978" Score="3" Text="I agree with your notion. On MSE we had a few meta threads on that before the previous election, and a lot of people voiced an opinion that the candidacy and the election phases should have some few days between them." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:27:27.840" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4363" PostId="978" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila good to know  (thanks for correcting the typo, btw) I am not alone. Mainly I do not understand why anybody would even consider not having *some* delay. It is not so much that I think it is a big problem, but it is completely surprising and feels strange." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:34:42.973" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4364" PostId="978" Score="1" Text="Well -- the time of the start of the election has been announced in the top right corner of the election page since the beginning of the nomination phase. Also, in the grey box on the right there was all the time the sentence &quot;However, if there are 10 candidates or less, we skip directly to the election phase.&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:44:43.487" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4367" PostId="978" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl I read the latter, but &quot;directly&quot; does not necessarily mean &quot;instantly.&quot; I have to admit I did not pay attention to the time given in that box. Still it is a somewhat funny way to organize things in my  opinion. Say, had 4 people signed up last minute, the actual election would have started a lot latter and that time given there had changed or not?" CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:54:40.490" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4368" PostId="978" Score="0" Text="@quid: I only said what was written on the election page. -- Being a candidate myself, I feel it is not up to me to comment on the way the election is organized." CreationDate="2013-10-07T21:00:38.600" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4388" PostId="978" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Hmmm, I cannot resist now. You explained Mark Meckes in a comment just 5 hours before that comment that the time frame for the election was alright, which seems like a comment on how the election is organized. So you do not seem to be very consistent regarding this. But personally I anyway see nothing wrong with candidates commenting on the election procedure-wise; this is rather common in real life too I think. By contrast, that a candidate suggest a  question for the interview of candidates this is IMO a bit more unusual. ;-) (Please read this in the playful way it is intended.)" CreationDate="2013-10-08T11:07:47.200" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4390" PostId="978" Score="1" Text="I just voted and thus learned that (it seems) one can change ones votes until the end of the election. This makes the situation somewhat better regarding the points I raised above but still I do not consider this as optimal. (Details likely past election.)" CreationDate="2013-10-08T12:22:49.977" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4393" PostId="978" Score="0" Text="@quid: I felt briefly saying that I find the time frame for the election&#xA;is alright is o.k., while starting to discuss details of the process is&#xA;somewhat awkward. Of course this is subjective, and you might well have&#xA;a different opinion. -- As to the questionnaire -- maybe!&#xA;-- But if you wanted, you could well have supplied a handful of questions which&#xA;the community likes more than mine!" CreationDate="2013-10-08T14:02:50.423" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4356" PostId="979" Score="2" Text="That been said, had we ask for in advance, there is an option for a &quot;vacuous&quot; primary phase to be set. Or so I gathered from the last MSE elections (where a primary phase was actually needed with the excess of one candidate)." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:25:38.910" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4358" PostId="979" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the information. Still I find this way to proceed *very* surprising." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:27:47.983" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4359" PostId="979" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila Well, that was pretty much SE saying that you could have that, if you really wanted. But I don't think that made much sense anyway, an useless primary would be worse than no primary in my opinion." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:28:30.593" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="4360" PostId="979" Score="1" Text="I agree it doesn't make too much sense, and it may end up reducing the actual number of voting users; but I do feel that it is very important to have a few days between the candidacy and the elections themselves (in the case there is no primary phase)." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:30:05.793" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4361" PostId="979" Score="3" Text="To drive my point home, I prefer less people voting, than people voting to candidates they don't really know and we end up with a &quot;rogue moderator&quot; which actively sabotages the moderation of the site, and it takes six months to remove him from his position." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:31:01.937" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4362" PostId="979" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I generally would also prefer to have some time between nomination and voting, but I'd hesitate to draw out the election even further. Personally I'd probably eliminate the primary phase entirely, and add a phase where comments on nominations and the official questions were handled, but no further nominations. And with regard to the MSE situation, I don't think the election was the most problematic point, but how to deal with this afterwards. The only effective review for mods was neutered, as SE was hesitating to even intervene due to the history between MSE and SE." CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:34:33.173" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="4366" PostId="979" Score="1" Text="Is there anything preventing ( meaning &quot;how bad an idea is it&quot; ) a chat room being set up where the nominees respond to the questions that were solicited?  I imagine that would provide some data that the community might desire.  At the very least, one would get a sample of answers that could guide the elected moderators.  (I imagine the first-time moderators might welcome it.)  Gerhard &quot;Maybe It's A Good Idea&quot; Paseman, 2013.10.07" CreationDate="2013-10-07T20:53:31.843" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="4369" PostId="979" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman There used to be an official chat event for elections, but now this is done via meta posts. The [questions collected in an earlier meta post](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/908/2013-moderator-election-qa-question-collection) will be posed to the candidates, and they'll answer on meta. There is also an [official election chat room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10830/math-overflow-2013-election)." CreationDate="2013-10-07T21:05:10.963" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="4370" PostId="979" Score="2" Text="@Gerhard We have no objection to whatever other events you'd like to setup. [I had some delay to setting up the Q&amp;A thread proper](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/980/2013-moderator-election-qa-questionnaire) but for both clarification to questions posed in the thread and to answer those yet unasked, I see no harm in a chat room at all." CreationDate="2013-10-07T21:09:44.750" UserId="35425" />
  <row Id="4372" PostId="979" Score="1" Text="@GraceNote I will come back to how things are organised after the election, now is likely not the best time." CreationDate="2013-10-07T21:22:41.187" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4374" PostId="980" Score="12" Text="Is there any way voting on the answers could be disabled? I feel it could be very influential in a bad way, distorting how people read the answers and/or being mistaken for a poll. Comments might be useful to ask for clarification, but could also be distracting... not sure about them." CreationDate="2013-10-07T23:16:19.110" UserId="22447" />
  <row Id="4387" PostId="980" Score="0" Text="@Philip The only mechanism we have for disabling voting on a post is to lock it. This, in turn, would prevent comments (as well as edits) so it's alas not an option." CreationDate="2013-10-08T10:58:38.417" UserId="35425" />
  <row Id="4397" PostId="980" Score="17" Text="Then can we at least agree that no one should vote?  I'm going to do what I can to equalize the scores now." CreationDate="2013-10-08T15:16:53.710" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="4392" PostId="982" Score="3" Text="Dear Stefan. Regarding your open mind view to help new users in MO, I believe that your idea about &quot;masculine&quot; nature of MO is very close to the truth. I don't know whether you have any experience in philosophy or not. But it is very obvious that you have a deep sociological view like a German philosopher! Even there are some other parameters which make MO a nettlesome forum for women. For example continuous and unnecessary &quot;down vote&quot;, &quot;on hold&quot; or &quot;critical comments&quot; by moderators and high rank users can cause the feeling in women that the others don't &quot;like&quot; them! Viel Glück!" CreationDate="2013-10-08T13:11:13.353" UserDisplayName="user36136" />
  <row Id="4379" PostId="983" Score="5" Text="My extremely cumbersome workaround was to repeatedly undelete and re-convert to generate multiple comments, then do some cutting and pasting.  If this process could be automated, I would be grateful." CreationDate="2013-10-08T00:53:07.323" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="4380" PostId="983" Score="7" Text="@S.Carnahan: So Ideally the process should say &quot;This answer is too long for a single comment, and would require $n$ comments instead. Would you like to proceed? [Yes/No/Burrito]&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-10-08T06:26:46.650" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4382" PostId="983" Score="0" Text="I think that sometimes comments are slightly overused, and answers are slightly underused. What is wrong to giving partial answers? The problem with multiple comments is that they tend to get scrambled by votes." CreationDate="2013-10-08T09:51:09.357" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="4384" PostId="983" Score="2" Text="Mmm... burrito." CreationDate="2013-10-08T10:08:59.950" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4385" PostId="983" Score="3" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/85796/automatic-splitting-into-separate-comments-during-conversion-from-answer" CreationDate="2013-10-08T10:29:41.743" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="4386" PostId="983" Score="2" Text="@ThomasRot there is nothing wrong with giving a *partial* answer. But some use the answer-box for things that are not anwers *at all.* Also the oerdering can only be off if the comment thread is &quot;collapsed&quot; as there are already too many; so expanding it will solve this problem essentially. And it is rather rare that some other than the first part of a multi-part comment gets the highest score making this even less of an issue." CreationDate="2013-10-08T10:58:10.623" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4383" PostId="986" Score="1" Text="Dear Andres, I think your ideas about &quot;preserving the research quality of MO&quot; are absolutely true and undeniable. I appreciate them and I think you are obviously the best candidate to be a moderator because MathOverflow is a special site even among his family websites and this high quality forum needs a special moderator like you. A moderator who be mercilessly critic and extremely exact. This manner seems rather unfriendly but is really necessary (but not sufficient) to keep the quality of the MO forum. My vote is yours and I will try to motivate my friends to vote you too. Bye." CreationDate="2013-10-08T10:07:51.570" UserDisplayName="user36136" />
  <row Id="4394" PostId="988" Score="4" Text="You might be interested in the comments to [this discussion](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/9401/622) and in [that discussion](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/2324/622). (As a footnote, Davide Cervone is one of the developers of MathJax)." CreationDate="2013-10-08T14:10:16.483" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4395" PostId="988" Score="0" Text="When I checked (which was a while ago) there were still some major unresolved issues. I pinged MathJax developers for their input on the stability and security of `xypic.js`." CreationDate="2013-10-08T14:14:55.393" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4396" PostId="988" Score="0" Text="I marked the request as [meta-tag:status-declined] but we can revisit the issue if the XyJax developers offer a support plan which is suitable for our needs." CreationDate="2013-10-08T15:02:26.173" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4406" PostId="988" Score="0" Text="@François, you can also use [meta-tag:status-deferred]." CreationDate="2013-10-08T20:45:06.393" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4409" PostId="988" Score="0" Text="I've retagged as deferred. Clearly this is something we'd like to be able to do, but `xypic.js` may not be ready for prime-time yet." CreationDate="2013-10-08T22:13:45.293" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4415" PostId="988" Score="3" Text="I reverted to [meta-tag:status-declined] since there is no plan to implement this. The XyJax developers are, as far as we can tell, nowhere near providing the support we need to deploy on MathOverflow. Of course, we would be happy to revise this if the XyJax developers come up with a suitable support plan." CreationDate="2013-10-09T04:49:20.897" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4418" PostId="988" Score="1" Text="To add a bit of context, a while back the main MathJax library had a quite severe security hole, which fortunately was fixed before anyone exploited it. That history makes us pretty wary of XyJax, particularly because no one has had any useful communication with the developer." CreationDate="2013-10-09T10:45:49.717" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4419" PostId="988" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: Alright, that actually does explain the wariness. It's still a shame, diagram support would be very much appreciated I think." CreationDate="2013-10-09T14:57:31.303" UserId="9947" />
  <row Id="4421" PostId="988" Score="4" Text="To add to what Scott said, the reason we have to be more wary than the Stacks project is that random people on the internet can immediately post on MO, whereas submissions to the Stacks project are reviewed by a human before they're incorporated." CreationDate="2013-10-09T17:22:32.963" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="4402" PostId="992" Score="0" Text="There is also a [help page](http://mathoverflow.net/help/merging-accounts) about this very issue." CreationDate="2013-10-08T17:53:44.593" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="4562" PostId="994" Score="0" Text="Dear François, Thanks." CreationDate="2013-10-14T17:11:32.973" UserDisplayName="user36136" />
  <row Id="4429" PostId="998" Score="0" Text="The scenario on meta mentioned in answer 1 seems to have been deleted.  It impressed Asaf Karagila enough to comment.  You can ask Asaf for details; the intent was to convince a user why forum users might not treat his question as research level, as well as what MathOverflow was for." CreationDate="2013-10-10T00:56:04.300" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="4590" PostId="998" Score="0" Text="I just saw this comment; I'm not 100% which scenario is mentioned, but I am easily impressed in the context that if I have a free moment and even the slightest impression then I will usually comment." CreationDate="2013-10-15T20:28:18.927" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4597" PostId="998" Score="0" Text="The one I refer to was the researcher at office hours. You suggested it be scripted and be part of a film about mathematicians.  I assume you liked it, @Asaf." CreationDate="2013-10-15T23:47:39.170" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="4598" PostId="998" Score="0" Text="(I rolled back an edit that had nothing to do with The Masked Avenger)" CreationDate="2013-10-16T00:02:38.467" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="4602" PostId="998" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @Andy.  (I did agree with the sentiment, however.)" CreationDate="2013-10-16T00:51:47.903" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="4605" PostId="998" Score="0" Text="The &quot;researcher at office hours&quot; scenario is at the [since-deleted] question, http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/681/formally-mathematically-defining-research-level-for-math-overflow" CreationDate="2013-10-16T01:58:30.377" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="4425" PostId="1000" Score="4" Text="This is nice, but I am not sure how it qualifies: Brandt posted the question, so he was already thinking about it, and then Brandt and his collaborators solved it (perhaps because no other answer was suggested here)." CreationDate="2013-10-09T21:56:23.413" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4435" PostId="1000" Score="14" Text="As I understand it, the question was completely unknown to all the non-Brandt authors before the MO question.  I attended a talk by Ilhee Kim where he said that he saw the question on MO and started working on it.  He then told the problem to Paul Seymour (his PhD advisor), and then eventually many other people got involved and solved it.  So without MO, the problem would likely still be open." CreationDate="2013-10-10T10:14:05.507" UserId="2233" />
  <row Id="4440" PostId="1000" Score="1" Text="Ah, great! I did not see them mentioning this in the paper, that would have been nice. Thank you!" CreationDate="2013-10-10T13:07:26.043" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4424" PostId="1002" Score="3" Text="Good point. But what is the precise request? If possible I think special characters should best be given in TeX-style as otherwise (at least for not few setups) they will also cause issues. If this is the idea, it might be worth making it explicit otherwise this might not be clear." CreationDate="2013-10-09T21:29:05.673" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4427" PostId="1002" Score="2" Text="It might be possible to automatically produce a good encoding (for example, the command line tool `pandoc` does a generally excellent job of preparing snippets of 'plain text' for LaTeX). However I thought it would be better to do no encoding, rather than the wrong encoding, so decided to make a very simple feature request for now." CreationDate="2013-10-10T00:39:29.297" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4436" PostId="1002" Score="0" Text="I see and also this makes sense to me. Just one additional suggestion/question: could/should some warning/info be added regarding this, like a line at the top of the box saying something like &quot;Please note that you might have to replace special characters in TITLE and AUTHOR by their TeX-equivalents.&quot; (Maybe it is just me, but while I do know I have to do this, more than once I forgot doing it when copy pasting some snippet into a tex file.)" CreationDate="2013-10-10T10:22:59.843" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4439" PostId="1002" Score="4" Text="&quot;... and {}-escape significant capital letters in the title, and generally tripple-check that the output looks sane, as automatically generated BibTeX is usually broken&quot;. Though one more thing which *should* be fixed automatically is not to output the user page URL in the author field (!). There is simply no way for BibTeX to parse that information. Only four types of data are recognized in the author field: first names, last names, &quot;von&quot;-like prepositions, and &quot;Jr.&quot;-like titles." CreationDate="2013-10-10T12:02:50.027" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="4441" PostId="1002" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek thank for adding this! I more or less stopped using bibtex some while ago so did not think about issues specific to it." CreationDate="2013-10-10T13:46:35.110" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4445" PostId="1002" Score="2" Text="For plain BibTeX, there is no decent solution for special characters: you must use LaTeX encoding and that's a pain. With BibLaTeX, you can specify utf8 character encoding. Either way `Fran&amp;#231;ois` is a completely incorrect encoding. I think using utf8 encoding is the best solution and we should have a meta post suggesting to use BibLaTeX instead of BibTeX." CreationDate="2013-10-10T14:32:53.607" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7569" PostId="1002" Score="0" Text="The various bugs and how to fix them is described in [this answer](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1655)." CreationDate="2014-04-22T15:04:55.007" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4426" PostId="1003" Score="0" Text="I recall Andres saying something about it on tea." CreationDate="2013-10-10T00:37:10.357" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4428" PostId="1003" Score="1" Text="http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/34/6/tag-mergerename-requests/" CreationDate="2013-10-10T00:42:41.053" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4430" PostId="1003" Score="5" Text="Yes, this came up before. In spite of the similarity of names, these are different things. Do not merge. (And yes, probably the &quot;inner models&quot; tag is not used as it should.) Go ahead with the tag wiki, though. Thanks. I never got around to writing one. I can help edit it after, if needed." CreationDate="2013-10-10T01:52:19.760" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4433" PostId="1003" Score="0" Text="So inner model theory is not about inner models? Somehow I am not surprised :)" CreationDate="2013-10-10T07:02:51.033" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="4434" PostId="1003" Score="1" Text="@Tobias: There exists an inner model in which the tags are identical, but we can show that this universe is not even a class-generic extension over that inner model, or any inner model in which the two tags are equal." CreationDate="2013-10-10T07:51:44.430" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4437" PostId="1003" Score="0" Text="Thanks all! I shall get on with the tag wiki then. Cheers." CreationDate="2013-10-10T10:32:42.320" UserId="10384" />
  <row Id="4456" PostId="1003" Score="0" Text="No, thank you. I made some edits to your draft." CreationDate="2013-10-10T18:40:16.273" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4461" PostId="1003" Score="1" Text="By the way, you can (and should) use `[tag:tag-name]` to generate the links to the tag pages. It works in the comments as well. See, [tag:inner-models]." CreationDate="2013-10-10T21:18:28.373" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4464" PostId="1003" Score="0" Text="Thanks Andres! I'm just starting this stuff (Philip Welch is doing a seminar series on it) so your changes are very helpful in improving my understanding, as well as the tag wiki. Asaf: thanks, I didn't know that." CreationDate="2013-10-11T11:09:59.027" UserId="10384" />
  <row Id="4473" PostId="1003" Score="0" Text="@Benedict: I hope someone is LiveTeX'ing that seminar, and that I could read the notes!" CreationDate="2013-10-11T15:45:00.447" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4474" PostId="1003" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I'll see what I can do. :)" CreationDate="2013-10-11T15:57:46.130" UserId="10384" />
  <row Id="4476" PostId="1003" Score="0" Text="@BenedictEastaugh Nice to hear. Hope you enjoy it!" CreationDate="2013-10-11T18:00:36.130" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4442" PostId="1004" Score="5" Text="I guess you are aware that you can use `\newcommand`. So if you start you post by `$\newcommand{\R}{\mathbb R}\newcommand{\C}{\mathbb C}$`$\newcommand{\R}{\mathbb R}\newcommand{\C}{\mathbb C}$ you can use \R and \C for $\R$ and $\C$ in your post. (One should be a little careful when using newcommand, for example, you should avoid using it in the title. Apart from making the title less readable, it could cause other problems, see [here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/4130/the-scope-of-newcommand-is-the-entire-page) and [here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/9780/).)" CreationDate="2013-10-10T14:10:06.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4452" PostId="1004" Score="1" Text="Yes, yes, I am aware of that! But wanted to avoid bloating each post by this standard header each time, so I asked this question. The specific symbols I listed above were just an example. Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-10-10T15:57:56.817" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="4446" PostId="1005" Score="2" Text="I do not like this &quot;solution&quot; and chances are OP was aware of it anyway. I would *much* prefer we could agree on a couple of very common macros, document them somewhere, and thus *minimize* this &quot;newcommand&quot; stuff, which personally I find unfortunate. One reason I find it unfortunate is that if MO is &quot;slow&quot; it is quite disturbing to *see* posts start with all the MJ-preamble stuff that then greys out to then  dissapear and make the entire text 'jump' a bit." CreationDate="2013-10-10T14:56:04.133" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4447" PostId="1005" Score="6" Text="@quid: &quot;... we could agree on ...&quot; that's a tough one (even on projects involving just two people). We did have a few custom macros in MO 1.0 that nobody complained about, but none of them were useful to me." CreationDate="2013-10-10T15:13:21.937" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4448" PostId="1005" Score="0" Text="@quid: There are also other ways of timing MathJax processing. The current one works relatively well, I don't know if there is some flexibility. You would need to make a discussion describing your experience and ask whether improvements are possible." CreationDate="2013-10-10T15:16:41.427" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4449" PostId="1005" Score="0" Text="I have to confess I did not even know of these macros on MO 1.0. Yes I know it is not easy to agree on this, but for some basic things one might still find some sort of consensus. I for one would not mind so much wheter I type \R or \RR or whatever for a blackboardbold R. So I infer it would be *technically* feasible. Why not try if it is sociologically feasible? Meta question: which macros would you like? Things that are somewhat popular and rather  uncontroversial would be taken the rest not." CreationDate="2013-10-10T15:28:11.060" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4450" PostId="1005" Score="0" Text="The experience is simply that it takes a long time until the MJ is processed. So first one sees the code and then the instances are processed one by one to become what they should be (or at some browsers the become the source again, but this is a very old browser so let us forget that). I am quite sure thi is basically a hardware issue; that is the site is somewhat demanding on the resources, and if the system you use is 'weak' it takes a long time to process MJ. But this came up already over and over again, eg, in discussion on MJ in titles here and on math.SE (not only from me)." CreationDate="2013-10-10T15:34:44.463" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4453" PostId="1005" Score="0" Text="@quid: One way to see which macros might be good to put in a standard backend might be to download the sitedump from MO, process it somehow to &quot;determine equivalents&quot; (this is the most non-trivial part), and then take the top 100 from this list...hmm..sounds like too much work, but perhaps worth doing..." CreationDate="2013-10-10T16:00:04.327" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="4454" PostId="1005" Score="0" Text="@suv....rit I am rather sceptical regarding automating this. Why not let people just suggest things? If people should continue to disagree about unreasonable details then, well, nobody will get any macro. If nothing else, a good learning experience. (OT: what happens to your user name all the time?)" CreationDate="2013-10-10T16:12:53.743" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4455" PostId="1005" Score="1" Text="Ok, I agree, while automating it may be a good student project, it might not be a great thing to do, and just trying to attain partial consensus directly might be good. (as for the username, I keep getting sick of people misspelling it as 'survit'---so keep trying to change its appearance to dissuade mis-spellers)" CreationDate="2013-10-10T16:56:30.593" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="4467" PostId="1005" Score="0" Text="Now, would you or wouldn't you include standard macros *if* we were to find some quasi-consensus for them?" CreationDate="2013-10-11T14:35:39.663" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4468" PostId="1005" Score="0" Text="@quid: SE staff would be in charge of that but MathJax is built to make that possible." CreationDate="2013-10-11T14:49:57.170" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4470" PostId="1005" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the info! Do you know if this can be done 'per site' or would this have to be uniform across all MJ enabled sites (so also math.SE and some others)." CreationDate="2013-10-11T14:53:54.937" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4477" PostId="1005" Score="0" Text="@quid: I'd guess that this should be possible 'per-site'---MJ is used by various websites (also outside the SE network), and local configs that enhance its macro power, should be possible. On a related note, such macros would be useful for typing some nontrivial LaTeX in comments :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-11T19:09:21.980" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="4466" PostId="1007" Score="2" Text="I see. But should this difference show more in the sites names?" CreationDate="2013-10-11T13:22:34.410" UserId="41185" />
  <row Id="4469" PostId="1007" Score="10" Text="Ah, well that's a different question. I guess the difficulty is one of brand name. Most of our serious members could follow a name change and it wouldn't affect them much. But MO has been cited in published papers, so we'd have to keep those links up and forward them to the new site. If we changed name, though, there might be legal ramifications and we might also run up against the Stack software that we're built on. Maybe someone who knows more than me can comment on this or start a new thread if this idea is feasible." CreationDate="2013-10-11T14:52:55.763" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="4471" PostId="1008" Score="12" Text="&quot;I agree it should be still more visible...&quot; Hear, hear. This I think has been a problem recently." CreationDate="2013-10-11T15:28:19.383" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4478" PostId="1009" Score="1" Text="What precisely should/does &quot;successfully passed the review queue&quot; mean? Also what should happen to the posts that do not pass? If this were so it would give significant weight to those reviewing. A more moderate suggestion that is sometimes floating around is to just hide closed and migrated q from frontpage." CreationDate="2013-10-11T21:11:12.773" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4479" PostId="1009" Score="0" Text="@quid: In the &quot;First posts of new users&quot; review queue, one can upvote the question or click &quot;No action needed&quot;. Passing could mean that a certain number of people select one of these options, but details would need to be defined. Similarly, one would need to define what happens else, i.e. if not enough people do this, or if several people downvote or flag." CreationDate="2013-10-11T21:26:05.290" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4480" PostId="1009" Score="0" Text="@quid: I think hiding closed and migrated questions from the frontpage would make sense independent from this. -- One might even consider showing there only questions with some upvotes, to make the frontpage give some impression of what is on-topic on this site." CreationDate="2013-10-11T21:34:26.033" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4481" PostId="1009" Score="0" Text="Well, so then my opinion depends on the precise details... But in general I doubt this is a good idea. Also at the moment most anybody (100+ or some other marginal threshold) can review, so I would nto give much weight to whatever outcome there." CreationDate="2013-10-11T21:42:39.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4482" PostId="1009" Score="0" Text="@quid: The present threshold for accessing the review queues is 500 (cf. http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/access-review-queues)." CreationDate="2013-10-11T21:44:52.423" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4483" PostId="1009" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the correction. I read some (old) meta.SO post and originally it was different and did not double check. While 500 is perhaps not marginal, it is still not much, in particular in view of the fact that for this suggestion to make a difference the outcome of not passing ought to be worse than the question just getting closed." CreationDate="2013-10-11T21:52:50.150" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4502" PostId="1012" Score="1" Text="As the comments on the post from March 2013 show, the problem was already there before the migration to MathOverflow 2.0. A possible reason why the images are not displayed may be that the image file names have no extensions (*.png, etc.), but I don't know." CreationDate="2013-10-12T09:21:46.883" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4505" PostId="1012" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl's suggestion seems reasonable. When I tried to put image from http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/ta8ni.png into a post, it worked fine (at least in preview - I did not submit the post). The link in the post you mentioned is http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ta8ni" CreationDate="2013-10-12T16:31:19.527" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4503" PostId="1016" Score="0" Text="Good points. -- I have edited the question." CreationDate="2013-10-12T10:01:09.740" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4508" PostId="1020" Score="0" Text="Even better would be to re-upload them through the new SE interface, which might be the most durable solution of all." CreationDate="2013-10-13T03:50:29.820" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4509" PostId="1020" Score="1" Text="Well, that's what I meant (SE [uses imgur](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/new-image-upload-support/) for images, if I am not mistaken.)" CreationDate="2013-10-13T06:03:03.263" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4514" PostId="1024" Score="1" Text="It is good if you also link the MSE question, helps to locate it." CreationDate="2013-10-13T18:52:51.907" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="4545" PostId="1024" Score="9" Text="&quot;Could be taught in a grad-level course&quot; ... we get far too many standard homework exercises from standard graduate textbooks.  These should be MSE, not MO." CreationDate="2013-10-14T13:01:47.147" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="4512" PostId="1026" Score="0" Text="In addition to the above comment on technicalities here is my opinion: I do think some question should be put in this state, the current one is however at least not on top of my list for this treatment. (It should however also be recalled that whatever the &quot;common opinion&quot; was the opinion that this question should dissapear best completely from MO was also voiced already, basically for the reason that is given now.) But likely the simplest is not to start a debate but to just close it again as it was for a while now." CreationDate="2013-10-13T18:35:05.550" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4517" PostId="1026" Score="0" Text="(I deleted two comments on &quot;lock&quot; vs &quot;freeze&quot; and will likely delete the third one later, first as this is a side aspect and also since I think it is based on a mutual misunderstanding. In any case I am now convinced I misunderstood the intent in part. Sorry for the confusion!)" CreationDate="2013-10-13T20:16:25.850" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4521" PostId="1026" Score="3" Text="As a practical matter, the closing of the question certainly makes sense to me: once the answers start either repeating themselves or are becoming lousy, it's probably time to close. I think it's likely that happened here (my +10k x-ray vision shows some lousy deleted answers already). I am less sure about locking and freezing, but it may be there are practical reasons for it that the official message is not fully conveying. David White's answer touched upon some possibilities." CreationDate="2013-10-13T22:09:13.220" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4524" PostId="1026" Score="11" Text="I'm the culprit, converting the closure to a lock. Personally I thought that this actually indicated a more favourable position on the question --- in any case we don't want further answers on it (as I think had been agreed), but locking for historical significance, rather than closing, explicitly says 'this was good in the past, but no longer'. Beyond saying that, I will stay out of the rest of this discussion, and I'm very happy if we work out a mutually agreeable position, regardless of whether it fits with what I did." CreationDate="2013-10-13T22:24:24.423" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4525" PostId="1026" Score="3" Text="If anyone wants to re-read the old discussion, it can be found at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1165/examples-of-common-false-believes/" CreationDate="2013-10-13T22:27:54.380" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4534" PostId="1026" Score="0" Text="It's impossible to close or lock without giving some reason.  The message there wasn't written by Scott, but is the automatic &quot;historical lock&quot; explanation. We used to use &quot;no longer relevant&quot; as the close reason, but that's no longer a close option." CreationDate="2013-10-14T03:54:49.497" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="4538" PostId="1026" Score="4" Text="There are three lock reasons a mod can choose from, &quot;content dispute&quot;, &quot;historical lock&quot; and &quot;off-topic comments&quot;. Only the historical lock has some additional effects like locking all answers and removal from the top question list. Moderators can not use any custom lock reasons, but it might be possible for the site to request a different lock reason to be added." CreationDate="2013-10-14T08:34:14.043" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="4542" PostId="1026" Score="1" Text="The general matter of 'historical looks' was already discussed long time ago; then there was no easy way to do it, so it never got implemented. But the general idea had some support then. See http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1122/this-question-exists-because-it-has-historical-significance/" CreationDate="2013-10-14T10:59:50.427" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4544" PostId="1026" Score="3" Text="One more point: there is in principle a jsutifcation for locking the full thread, namely that with editing privileges, which for CW is not much of a threshold, one can undermine the closure. This happened to some limited extent on this question (though it was I think not the immediate motivation for lock) and also happens on other such questions were some edit in new answers into existing ones while question is actually closed. One can say this is not enough to justify it, but then I also do not see that much need for such threads remaining editable and votable after some point in time" CreationDate="2013-10-14T12:42:37.767" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4547" PostId="1026" Score="4" Text="@GilKilai: if the message is the problem, which of the current lock or close messages would you prefer? Too broad? Off-topic?  I understand that the historical lock isn't perfect, but it seems to me to be the closest of our available options." CreationDate="2013-10-14T13:55:50.130" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="4599" PostId="1026" Score="0" Text="@Noah, but mods can remove the notice after locking without unlocking the post. A question doesn't need to have any notice while locked." CreationDate="2013-10-16T00:25:03.160" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4519" PostId="1027" Score="10" Text="Hi David, the issue is not closing the question (it was closed years ago) but locking and freezing the entire thread. &quot;..hiding this question from the &quot;top-rated&quot; list seems like it might help with some of the confusion for newer users about what is and is not on-topic, and might help reduce some of the crank questions about validity of math.&quot; This statement seems baseless and rather absurd." CreationDate="2013-10-13T22:05:56.230" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4527" PostId="1027" Score="8" Text="@GilKalai: I take it you don't find my observation about an increased number of off-topic posts to be baseless and absurd? If so, then let's start there. I don't know why we have more off-topic questions, but it's a problem. One point of confusion for a new visitor to the site is that the notion of what does and does not belong has changed over time. To reduce this confusion I would like to reduce the visibility of off-topic questions, even if they were formerly okay. I'm especially concerned with this one because the title could be misinterpreted by an outsider as a broad criticism of math." CreationDate="2013-10-13T22:38:05.330" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="4537" PostId="1027" Score="8" Text="@GilKalai There was a thread recently (by which I mean it may have been a month or two ago) about whether the number of closed questions had increased, with some data, see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/302/has-the-switch-to-se-2-0-increased-the-rate-of-low-level-inappropriate-questio . As to the on-topicness of the question, it is debatable whether it would be considered on topic today. Generally soft and big-list questions are less tolerated than they used to be." CreationDate="2013-10-14T07:43:29.540" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="4539" PostId="1027" Score="27" Text="&quot;because the title could be misinterpreted by an outsider as a broad criticism of math.&quot; Huh? May be we should also censor &quot;Killing form&quot;, &quot;special forcing&quot;, and &quot;joint distribution&quot; on the pretext that the &quot;outsiders&quot; may get the impression that we are a violent group of ex-marines who smoke marijuana in their free time?" CreationDate="2013-10-14T09:28:17.137" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="4549" PostId="1027" Score="10" Text="@fedja: I heard that those guys like to annihilate left and right radicals, and to collapse large cardinals too." CreationDate="2013-10-14T14:04:36.097" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4583" PostId="1029" Score="5" Text="I disagree with this particular suggestion" CreationDate="2013-10-15T15:48:34.983" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4578" PostId="1030" Score="0" Text="Posting on meta increases the visibility, too. So the chances of some people voting on the tag synonym are higher if people see the synonym mentioned on meta. On meta.MSE there is a [separate thread](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/1363/tag-merging-and-synonyms) dedicated to tag synonyms. It's up to MO community to decide whether something like that would be a good idea." CreationDate="2013-10-15T04:10:08.930" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4548" PostId="1034" Score="1" Text="To &quot;lock without freeze&quot; sounds a lot like plain closing. Could you clarify the difference?" CreationDate="2013-10-14T14:04:27.637" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4550" PostId="1034" Score="0" Text="Good question @FrançoisG.Dorais.  Personally I don't care much about close/lock/freeze, and was basing my request off what most people seemed to want." CreationDate="2013-10-14T14:26:07.527" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="4552" PostId="1034" Score="1" Text="Hi François, look at the following question: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/22299/what-are-some-examples-of-colorful-language-in-serious-mathematics-papers . It is locked but the entire thread is not frozen. Comments can be added and answers can be edited. The question also appears when people are looking for questions in general or in this particular tag. (In fact, it was locked by you :) .)" CreationDate="2013-10-14T15:08:02.187" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4560" PostId="1034" Score="1" Text="@GilKalai yes but the question (in the sense of thread) there is *closed* in addition to the question (in the sense of just the question-post) being locked. I think if it were not closed in addition then one could even still add answers when it is locked in that way only, which then brings us back to the question ask to you by Noah Snyder, yet not yet answered by you, which of the current closing reasons should be used. The one we always used 'no longer relevant' having been sort of  replaced by that historical lock." CreationDate="2013-10-14T16:28:56.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4564" PostId="1034" Score="2" Text="Why without freeze? Put differently, why is it so relevant the answers to the question can be edited.  Basically that this is possible leaves a loophole to sneak in new answer that is used by some. I would propse to just have the delisting optional and leave the rest as is (possible with a different text)." CreationDate="2013-10-14T18:31:40.177" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4567" PostId="1034" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Locking stops regular users from reopening the question, this is one of the major reasons for the historical log on SO. The other side effects of the historical log are supposed to prevent the question from being bumped to the frontpage by edits and prevent flags from being cast. If the community does not try to reopen such a question and avoid edits to the question and its answers, a lock might not be necessary." CreationDate="2013-10-14T20:35:00.160" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="4572" PostId="1034" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist there are no major problems of the type you mention, but as I said edits that simply sidestep the closed status and add &quot;new answers&quot; do happen. (I can provide examples upon request.)" CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:29:16.937" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4554" PostId="1036" Score="3" Text="Could you clarify in what sense you consider the question hidden? Is it just that it doesn't show up on the list of highly voted questions?" CreationDate="2013-10-14T15:50:46.853" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4568" PostId="1036" Score="6" Text="Francois, as far as I can see, the question does not appear at all in the list of questions: e.g. when you look at all &quot;big list&quot; questions or at all &quot;mathematical education&quot; question." CreationDate="2013-10-14T20:39:09.013" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4569" PostId="1036" Score="7" Text="I don't think it shows up on a list of highly voted questions. I tested this. In general I would consider a question hidden if I do any type of search and it doesn't show up where it would be displayed if it were not locked or frozen or closed." CreationDate="2013-10-14T20:43:22.420" UserId="1098" />
  <row Id="4570" PostId="1036" Score="1" Text="Kristal, the question does not show at all in &quot;math education&quot; or &quot;big list&quot; lists which is a shame. But if you know what to search: say search under &quot;false beliefs: then you can find it..." CreationDate="2013-10-14T20:45:23.117" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4584" PostId="1036" Score="1" Text="Now that the question is unlocked and protected I see it is now showing up in the list of highly voted questions." CreationDate="2013-10-15T16:42:00.333" UserId="1098" />
  <row Id="4566" PostId="1037" Score="5" Text="This is basically [protecting](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/52764/what-is-a-protected-question) the question with a higher treshhold." CreationDate="2013-10-14T19:29:39.193" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="4571" PostId="1037" Score="10" Text="Now assuming these brilliant answers might come, why aren't you worried they'd come from a new user not yet above this limit? (Seems at least as likely then that some regular user will have new idea.) Also, I would find it odd to have a high threshold to answer some questions. The very low one for protection is justifiable on the grounds to exclude posts from people that do not yet &quot;understand&quot; the site, but frankly to tell effectively some, say, 754 point user you are not yet 'good' enough to answer the question feels a bit strange to me." CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:14:37.073" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4573" PostId="1037" Score="3" Text="@quid : It's less extreme that locking and closing, and it achieves the objective without hiding or defaming the question or preventing all new good answers. There's nothing sacred about the number 1000, except that it seems to me to be high enough as to reduce the &quot;risk&quot; of a repeat answer or of a non-answer below an acceptable threshold." CreationDate="2013-10-15T00:12:35.867" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="4579" PostId="1037" Score="0" Text="It is quite different in that sense I do not think it is justified to say it is &quot;less extreme,&quot; as in another sense it is very extreme as it defames many *regular* users as being incompetent to judge whether to answer or not. In addition, when the question was closed people could have left their examples as *comments*. The 1000 is not key, the point is really that I find any non-minmal limit a prblem, and with a minimal one it is just protection." CreationDate="2013-10-15T09:59:05.280" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4844" PostId="1037" Score="2" Text="I completely agree with quid. An old question, that by now got answers from all users who had something interesting to say on the subject, can possibly receive a new interesting answer especially by a brilliant **new** user. For this reason I'm not sure it is a good thing putting a threshold for posting. Rather, I'd delete answers that received a score below some  negative threshold." CreationDate="2013-10-21T10:01:58.157" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="4574" PostId="1039" Score="3" Text="I thought the association bonus was ignored when counting the required ten points for answering locked questions. Is that statement wrong?" CreationDate="2013-10-15T00:38:43.977" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4575" PostId="1039" Score="2" Text="Here's a reference for @Ricardo's statement: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/52765" CreationDate="2013-10-15T01:37:36.113" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="4576" PostId="1039" Score="3" Text="I went ahead and protected and unlocked the question." CreationDate="2013-10-15T02:36:50.573" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4577" PostId="1039" Score="5" Text="This looks like a very good proposal, Scott. Thanks a lot." CreationDate="2013-10-15T02:46:42.607" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4580" PostId="1039" Score="0" Text="I do not see much reason for being optimistic; the best case realistic scenario is that simply nothing much will happen, so that it would have just been as good had it stayed closed all along. But well as I said let us perhaps not debate too much. But, I take it now that you (moderators) *unilaterally* **reopened** a community closed question you will also intervene in this form if there are problem with duplicates or otherwis and close it again without much need for debate. (Notifying also @FrançoisG.Dorais)" CreationDate="2013-10-15T10:14:31.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4581" PostId="1039" Score="3" Text="@quid: That question (like many others that have been the subject of a close war) has been on moderator management for a long time. Yes, we will close it again if there are problems." CreationDate="2013-10-15T11:44:25.793" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4582" PostId="1039" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais thank you for the confirmation." CreationDate="2013-10-15T12:05:21.270" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4585" PostId="1040" Score="24" Text="Congratulations, Mariano and Todd!" CreationDate="2013-10-15T20:07:18.600" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4586" PostId="1040" Score="9" Text="Mariano and Todd -- Congratulations from me as well!" CreationDate="2013-10-15T20:08:02.577" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4588" PostId="1040" Score="0" Text="@Shog: Thanks for the edit. That's the second time I beat you to it. :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-15T20:11:29.450" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4589" PostId="1040" Score="4" Text="That's now *two* sites where you've beaten me to the announcement, Asaf! (Nicely done)" CreationDate="2013-10-15T20:11:50.897" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="4591" PostId="1040" Score="1" Text="Congratulations for all candidates. It was a really hard election because all of our candidates were very good and could be excellent moderators." CreationDate="2013-10-15T21:30:34.177" UserDisplayName="user36136" />
  <row Id="4592" PostId="1040" Score="1" Text="@Andres: Dear Andres, I wish you the best successes in your life. I am really sorry that MathOverflow cannot use a wise moderator like you but I am sure that your very positive editorial actions continues at any condition." CreationDate="2013-10-15T21:35:25.320" UserDisplayName="user36136" />
  <row Id="4593" PostId="1040" Score="2" Text="@Todd: Dear Todd, I have two congratulations! First for you as a new moderator. I believe that it can be a really special event in the history of MathOverflow to have a moderator with a very soft and open minded manner like you. And second congratulations is mine for my exact foreseen about the result of election as a pseudo sociologist! I wish you to be always happy." CreationDate="2013-10-15T21:44:26.773" UserDisplayName="user36136" />
  <row Id="4594" PostId="1040" Score="7" Text="Thanks for the congratulations and good wishes!" CreationDate="2013-10-15T21:59:34.840" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4595" PostId="1040" Score="1" Text="@Todd: The diamond beside your name seems like a medal of honor! It is really beauty." CreationDate="2013-10-15T22:04:41.483" UserDisplayName="user36136" />
  <row Id="4596" PostId="1040" Score="1" Text="@Mariano: Dear Mariano, Congratulations. I don't know you personally because we had no direct conversation before but I am sure that you are one of the bests and completely qualified to be an excellent moderator. Best Regards." CreationDate="2013-10-15T22:09:30.083" UserDisplayName="user36136" />
  <row Id="4606" PostId="1040" Score="11" Text="Thanks to everyone who participated in the election, including those candidates who were not elected. It's great that we had such a wide pool of candidates, most of whom would have been excellent moderators, too." CreationDate="2013-10-16T03:58:17.247" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4607" PostId="1040" Score="10" Text="Condolences... I mean, congratulations to the winners!" CreationDate="2013-10-16T04:25:44.847" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="4608" PostId="1040" Score="7" Text="@Arturo At leat Mariano knew what he would be getting into." CreationDate="2013-10-16T07:34:54.113" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="4610" PostId="1041" Score="5" Text="If you want to collect such stories, maybe add the heroic but in the end hopeles fight of Andrew Stacey against the badeges http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/190/how-do-i-sell-a-badge/ and http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1364/a-sad-day-/" CreationDate="2013-10-16T20:02:33.350" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4611" PostId="1041" Score="2" Text="Dear Quid, yes this is indeed a famous story that will be told from fathers to sons. I am afraid I was involved with Andrew's silver and gold best badges. The badge system is a wonderful way for multi-dimensional appreciation systems where every user can even define his own peculiar aims." CreationDate="2013-10-16T20:31:47.807" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5255" PostId="1041" Score="1" Text="Tom Leinster recently got the first gold badge on meta for http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1042/antons-departure-as-moderator" CreationDate="2013-11-06T22:14:48.850" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7773" PostId="1041" Score="0" Text="BTW since MO joined SE you can also view top users at some moment in the past using *reputation leagues*. For example, here are [top users from Dec 2009](http://stackexchange.com/leagues/251/month/mathoverflow/2009-12-01?sort=totalreputation). Comparing with the snapshot you posted, it seems to be around the same time. (Although this shows the reputation from Dec 2009, but badges are shown from the present.)" CreationDate="2014-05-15T06:18:19.940" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7813" PostId="1041" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Wow, I had not realized that Greg had gained 7000 points in one month." CreationDate="2014-05-17T06:29:39.150" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="7814" PostId="1041" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan Well, there might have been some mix-up when moving from old MO to the SE network, which would make date from reputation leagues unreliable. But since the numbers there seem to be rather similar to the numbers in the screenshot, I'd guess that they are probably correct." CreationDate="2014-05-17T06:51:30.860" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4612" PostId="1042" Score="5" Text="Asaf already expressed this sentiment in a separate meta post (http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1040/), but I thought it deserved its own &quot;question&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-16T20:35:17.880" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="4613" PostId="1042" Score="46" Text="Thanks for the thanks! I wouldn't be as outgoing as I am were it not for the MO community." CreationDate="2013-10-16T20:51:22.137" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="4615" PostId="1042" Score="10" Text="I had told Anton a few months back that I'd like to buy him a drink or two should I chance to meet him, but I think he's gotten more such offers than would be good for his mathematics! But indeed, the community is hugely in debt to him." CreationDate="2013-10-16T23:31:32.687" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4617" PostId="1042" Score="5" Text="@ToddTrimble: btw, now that you have a ♦, you can edit your comment even after 5 minutes have passed." CreationDate="2013-10-17T01:20:09.980" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="4618" PostId="1042" Score="0" Text="@AntonGeraschenko Ha! Thanks." CreationDate="2013-10-17T01:58:25.043" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4630" PostId="1042" Score="20" Text="@AntonGeraschenko, that is almost the whole point of being a mod! :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-17T07:08:37.387" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="4623" PostId="1044" Score="15" Text="This tempts me to post an offsetting answer of &quot;no&quot; for purposes of liquidity- I'm prevented from doing so by impossibility of downvoting my own post." CreationDate="2013-10-17T02:39:31.887" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="4704" PostId="1044" Score="10" Text="@DanielMoskovich no worries, I'd be happy to downvote your answer for you :)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T15:12:07.343" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4787" PostId="1045" Score="16" Text="Now I'm tempted to post an answer &quot;For the purposes of modality... Maybe!&quot; :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-19T16:56:19.817" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4804" PostId="1045" Score="0" Text="How about &quot;I don't know&quot; or &quot;No opinion&quot;? :)" CreationDate="2013-10-20T00:32:59.517" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="4874" PostId="1045" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: as there are more upvotes on the Yes answer than this one, we can (by Mathematician Logic (TM)) conclude that about 60% of MO users do not believe in the law of excluded middle." CreationDate="2013-10-22T14:57:03.237" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="4875" PostId="1045" Score="3" Text="@Willie: That's not Mathematical Logic (TM). It's statistics, which as D'Israeli said, is the worst kind of a lie!" CreationDate="2013-10-22T15:02:15.817" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4876" PostId="1045" Score="1" Text="@Asaf: not &quot;Mathematical Logic&quot;, &quot;[Mathematician Logic](http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/mgonzale/bromas/jokes_math/jokes_math.html)&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-22T15:05:00.337" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="4877" PostId="1045" Score="0" Text="@Willie: The eyes see, but the mind reads. ;-)" CreationDate="2013-10-22T15:08:30.847" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5061" PostId="1045" Score="9" Text="It's one thing to think A deserves a vote up and another to think that not-A deserves a vote down.  Maybe a vote up means that an answer is reasonable, and a vote down means that an answer is unreasonable.  But certainly there are many debates where one can think A is a reasonable opinion without thinking that not-A is an unreasonable opinion. :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-30T19:05:33.997" UserId="26809" />
  <row Id="4625" PostId="1046" Score="2" Text="Feel free to make points either way; hopefully however we can come up with some constructive suggestions for people on both sides of this debate, and write a 'best practices' answer that I'll accept, then mark this as a FAQ." CreationDate="2013-10-17T04:20:20.320" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4626" PostId="1046" Score="3" Text="Another aspect to consider is that such questions are often clarified after criticism but, unfortunately, such clarifications often end up making existing answers, no matter how good, irrelevant to the updated question. Not only is this upsetting for the user who took the time to answer the wrong question, it also makes the answer less likely to be discovered." CreationDate="2013-10-17T04:37:24.003" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4627" PostId="1046" Score="2" Text="For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_soup" CreationDate="2013-10-17T05:33:15.417" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="4629" PostId="1046" Score="5" Text="Scott it is not useful to refer to &quot;not that great questions.&quot; We do not close questions for not being great but for being bad." CreationDate="2013-10-17T07:02:20.967" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4631" PostId="1046" Score="2" Text="Good point, Gil. (I think, like many from Commonwealth countries, I have an unfortunate tendency to damn with faint praise.) I'll edit." CreationDate="2013-10-17T08:33:35.340" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4637" PostId="1046" Score="9" Text="To complement François's comment: it also often happens that the question remains unclarified because, to all appearances, the questioner has left the scene. Whether this is because he or she never really was that interested to begin with, or got frightened by all the ensuing commotion, is hard to say. But then the question becomes something of a Rorschach: answerers have to guess about intent and motivation. In such circumstances, maybe CW (Community Stone Soup?) is the way to go, since there seems to be no one &quot;right answer&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-17T14:58:37.833" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6796" PostId="1046" Score="0" Text="The debate is idle since a long time and in view of your first comment I comment as a reminder." CreationDate="2014-02-12T15:36:12.740" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4635" PostId="1047" Score="7" Text="Regarding the last paragraph: why not agree on respecting the guidelines http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/882/how-to-write-a-good-mathoverflow-question at least only ever so slightly. Would also save a lot of time arguing." CreationDate="2013-10-17T12:48:50.213" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4670" PostId="1047" Score="2" Text="Quid, Sure, I read again the guidelines and they are good. We can add it to Joel's rule: Be charitable and tolerant to others and stricter (but not overly so) on yourself." CreationDate="2013-10-18T06:01:36.377" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4679" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="Since you did not make a precise suggestion what to add to the rule here is one: &quot;Give all questions charitable readings, when doing so leads to interesting mathematical ideas. However, make sure that all questions you answer are somewhat in line with the guidelines 'How to write a good MathOverflow question?' (possibly via editing them by yourself).&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-18T10:41:04.430" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4707" PostId="1047" Score="1" Text="Ok, how is it now? Regarding the guideline I will not insist on the OP provide always motivation and background. It is generally a good guideline but there are also various justified reasons people may avoid it, and short questions also have some charm." CreationDate="2013-10-18T16:47:45.450" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4729" PostId="1047" Score="5" Text="In other words, if you already have a stone soup, eat the soup and let the stone rest in piece on the bottom of the pot ignoring occasional curious passer-byes who wonder what the stone is doing there. I agree." CreationDate="2013-10-18T18:55:08.573" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="4738" PostId="1047" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the additions. I still feel you pay too little attention to the interests of those that find certain uses of MO disruptive and problematic. Specifically, 2 and 4 as well as 3 and 5 are somewhat in opposition, and then 1 trumps everything to push through your extremely permissive ideas." CreationDate="2013-10-18T20:56:36.653" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4739" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="Gil, this is the third or so time I saw you using `1)` instead of `1.` for the numbered list. If you use the latter then the software will automatically make this into a numbered list with appropriate spacing and whatnot." CreationDate="2013-10-18T21:12:04.720" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4751" PostId="1047" Score="1" Text="Quid, what was the point to suggest modifying my third point (which I did by adding 4. and 5.) if you feel that my first point trumps everything and promote my &quot;extremely permissive ideas?&quot; Apparently, we simply disagree and we can leave it at that." CreationDate="2013-10-19T01:16:14.583" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4786" PostId="1047" Score="1" Text="&quot;A question need not be good for all the community it is enough that it is good to some of the community.&quot; I am a bit confused now, Gil. Is there ever a case where a question can be justifiably closed, in your opinion? (Note I am not arguing for or against your suggestion, I genuinely do not understand how to interpret your first point.)" CreationDate="2013-10-19T16:55:07.717" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4788" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="Thank you for now taking in the modification in 3. Personally I might prefer something slightly stricter in the general tone, but also if people would really follow it, it were alright in my opnion. Thus I revoke my downvote and deleted two obsolte comments. Perhaps one could add a remark that 1. cannot override the principle that there must be no content that could (reasonably) be perceived as offensive. (Perhaps this is anyway understood as obvious.)" CreationDate="2013-10-19T17:31:23.333" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4790" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="I think this is quite close to what would be desirable. I would suggest having 3 as the main point, really (don't you think?), and explaining somewhat what you mean in 1 by &quot;some of the community&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-19T18:29:00.353" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4807" PostId="1047" Score="1" Text="Andres, the cases of controversial closing are fairly rare. (I suppose that I regard more than 90% of the closing justifiable.) Cases of controversial closing are also quite anticipated, so people can often realize that a certain problem that they regard uninteresting and even unsuitable to MO is appreciated by others. In any case, if people actively express the opinion that the question is good, or supply good answers to the question this should be a strong signal against closing." CreationDate="2013-10-20T02:32:14.610" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4809" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="OK, that clarifies the meaning, thanks. I like this suggestion, as I said (and again, maybe having 3 be the key point would even strengthen it)." CreationDate="2013-10-20T03:09:28.500" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4810" PostId="1047" Score="1" Text="Quid, Andres, what about this relaxed version: 1) In case of controversy, make an effort to keep the question open for the sake of users who are interested. A question need not be good for all the community; it is often enough that it is good to some of the community. 2) Avoid hastily closing questions that attract good answers or that people explicitly endorse. Good answers can sometime make a good question (also outside MO.)" CreationDate="2013-10-20T05:55:32.750" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4812" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="I like this wording. But do not lose 3). My current rule of thumb is that even if I don't like a question personally, I will try to keep it open or vote to reopen (even if originally I voted to close) if good answers appear or are hinted at. It ends up being rewarding, so why not?" CreationDate="2013-10-20T06:29:17.703" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4834" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="The new versions seem good to me. These, and perhaps something like formulated by Henry Cohn as explication for the relevance of the request for improving question, could make a good guideline." CreationDate="2013-10-20T20:51:21.587" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4633" PostId="1048" Score="9" Text="I think a reason for this misconception is that there's a significant percentage of mathematicians (this is a seat-of-the-pants computation) that are afraid of discussions that lean towards motivation and intent.   Asking people what exactly they're interested in and why -- what is the greater purpose -- these questions can be frightening, especially to a grad student that takes it as an axiom that certain things are important.  Enough mathematicians have a hard time explaining why their own research important on their grant applications." CreationDate="2013-10-17T12:33:57.453" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="4634" PostId="1048" Score="5" Text="This is more of a math-sociology rant now but I also suspect that the evolution towards &quot;moralistic language&quot; in mathematics, when you see questions like &quot;what is the right formalism for...&quot; are symptoms of more or less the same thing.  Some people explain what they mean by &quot;right&quot; but far too often people won't, or can't." CreationDate="2013-10-17T12:35:55.480" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="4669" PostId="1048" Score="3" Text="Sure, I see no conflict between my suggestions above and also trying to improve the question itself: by editing it directly or by gently (and in a friendly way) guiding the OP toward improving his own question. One thing I don't like is trying to figure out the precise level of researcher the OP is or nudging him in a pressing or patronizing way. I dont think I ever wrote an answer just vaguely related to a few sentences of the question. But it is true that when you write an answer you don't aim just to the OP but to a wider audience of people who may be interested." CreationDate="2013-10-18T05:03:46.777" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4680" PostId="1048" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai from the top of my head I do not have an example of an answer of the form I have in mind that you gave and it might be pointless or even counter-productive to search for one now. (The closest I could think of now, but this was more joke/playful so is still in a different category is your answer where you mixed two diacritics on an o). However, there are many such examples (whether you contribute one or not is not really relevant), and Ryan Budney, Henry Cohn, François G. Dorais, Todd Trimble all mention in some form the same phenomenon in this thread. (c.)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T10:50:33.040" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4681" PostId="1048" Score="0" Text="(c.) Also, what I am talking about has nothing much to do with figuring out some precise level of OP but merely with insisting that there is an actual question being asked at all that then gets answered, as opposed to people writing short essays inspired by the keywords in the question; an example would be http://mathoverflow.net/revisions/101420/1 (I link to the original version of q, that thankfully got somewhat improved). But there are many more. And re &quot;patronizing&quot; I do not like this either but then tp guide the asker can be useful. (c.)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T11:01:12.730" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4685" PostId="1048" Score="0" Text="(c.) But on the subject of &quot;patronizing&quot;: what annoys me considerably in some of these debates on questions actually is also certain patronizing attitude of some in these discussions, namely those in favor in some questions talking like those against the question (in its current form) are just against it as they do not get it. (Added: I originally gave two examples, but then deleted them [for now].)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T11:22:18.370" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4705" PostId="1048" Score="0" Text="One more remark on the 'aim just to the OP': as always it is a question of balance, and the question is what this means in practice.  And again this is not an issue that only I observe, let me quote Greg Kuperberg from a long time ago who it seems saw some problem in this direction too, while actually I saw less of a problem *then*, but well I was rather new on the site then:" CreationDate="2013-10-18T15:42:10.373" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4706" PostId="1048" Score="2" Text="Quoting Greg Kuperberg (emphasis mine, [source](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/950/)  middle of thread): &quot;[...] I have always thought that the ratio of score for accepting an answer to getting an upvote, which is only 3/2, is ungenerous. I think that the ratio should be at least 2; and if it had been 3, I would never have objected to that either. (I know that the OP can also upvote, but still.) Anton once made fun of me for wanting higher scores in general, but really that's not it. *Rather, this ratio encourages people to play to the crowd more than to help people with questions.*&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-18T15:43:26.017" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4708" PostId="1048" Score="2" Text="Quid, Regarding the music question: This is a question that the short unedited version was, in my opinion, much better then the long edited version (with the motivation)." CreationDate="2013-10-18T16:59:59.213" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4719" PostId="1048" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai this example was, as I said, for a case where the *actual question* asked (in this case there at least was one asked) was *not* answered *but still* some answers were given, inspired by the keywords &quot;mathematics&quot; and &quot;music.&quot; Yet (at least in part) they did not even attempt to answer the question, they just wrote something vaguely related. (That I said the question was somewhat improved, and whether one agrees or not, is thus not really relevant.) [OT note: I will come back to the modified rules in other answer later.]" CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:48:06.013" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4722" PostId="1048" Score="0" Text="Quid, Indeed, I don't know of examples of the stone soup phenomenon. However, who is going to develop a whole theory without a single example, and passionately argue about it, but us, mathematicians?" CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:51:04.977" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4725" PostId="1048" Score="2" Text="@GilKalai you do not know any exmples of it? The ABC question was completely void of any actual content and just contained some bloated pseudo-informed prose. It was nothing but a dirty stone, best ignored or kicked away. &quot;Tell me something around the recent  (claimed) proof of ABC&quot; would have at least been a clean pot, but what we had orginally was worse. Still some people provide some information *related* to it. But the question(er) contribute nothing at all to it. And we had closed some (or at least one) question just like it before that also could have played the role of the stone." CreationDate="2013-10-18T18:07:17.017" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4728" PostId="1048" Score="4" Text="The edited ABC question is good. And the answers are superb! Overall, this is one of the most important successes in the history of MO. (And it was a pity that there was a close/open war in this case.) The question of the exact credit to the questioner is secondary. (But he was at the right place at the right time.) If there were other questions on other issues that could have similar impact but that were closed this is very unfortunate." CreationDate="2013-10-18T18:40:52.543" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4734" PostId="1048" Score="1" Text="@GilKalai  Oh, so the *edited* version is good. (And please note the 'what we had originally' in my post.) You do realize that a main point of this entire debate is how to proceed in such case *and* the proposals by Henry Cohn and me, *against which you are arguing a bit*, is precisely to encourage such editing. Also, if one rereads the meta thread one might come to the conclusion that this editing was a consequence of the critical reception of the *original* version. (As I said there were other users that *asked* or meant to ask an analogous question, so right time right place not even this.)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T20:20:52.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4752" PostId="1048" Score="2" Text="Quid, for ABC, my view is that the editing was fine and closing the question was not. Generally speaking I dont think that improving asking the OP to improve the question should be carried out by the action or threat of closing the question." CreationDate="2013-10-19T01:20:24.093" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4762" PostId="1048" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai while I assume that you know this, others (like some journalist already) could, especially in view of your formualtion, get away with the idea the current version of the ABC question  is still due to OP that changed it as they got asked or pressured to do so.  But, the current version has basically nothing in common with the original question and was written by somebody else without any input, discussion or only just consent by OP. So, your 'generally speaking' does not match the ABC situation (I don't think votes to close were key in what I referred to above as 'critical reception')" CreationDate="2013-10-19T07:46:07.197" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4789" PostId="1048" Score="5" Text="This is veering way off the main topic, but since this ABC question keeps getting brought up (not just here), I want to express my disagreement with quid (and apparently many others).  I think the original version of the question was fine.  The OP was asking for a description of Mochizuki's main idea at a particular (rough) level of abstraction. To demonstrate the level of abstraction he was looking for, he gave an example.  His example invoked the Weil conjectures.  Some interpreted this as showing off.  I interpreted it as helping us understand what he was looking for --- and quite usefully." CreationDate="2013-10-19T18:21:14.187" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="4798" PostId="1048" Score="1" Text="@StevenLandsburg I disagree (unsurprisingly) and I could and would go to great length over this, as this question does not live in isolation but OP was well-known (as MO user) to me. If you [or somebody else] want this, please, open another thread here or perhaps still better on &quot;tea,&quot; if you  want a quick idea search &quot;tea&quot; for 'ELIZA' (and let me add, while hard to reconstruct now if you do not know, OP of the relevant &quot;tea&quot; thread knows very well what they are talking about mathematically there, *a lot* better than me)." CreationDate="2013-10-19T21:56:21.307" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4808" PostId="1048" Score="0" Text="The original ABC question itself was good but some sentences were phrased overly personal. Anyway, this is a matter for historians to discuss for centuries to come :). Also the question about random vs unknown (that, to some extent,  triggered this thread) was good. I did not understand Steven's comment on charitable interpretation, but it nevertheless led to JDH's nice proposal. If a good question is asked with naive or perhaps misguided motivation it is still a good question, and the answers can guide the OP towards better understanding." CreationDate="2013-10-20T02:48:41.653" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4655" PostId="1049" Score="0" Text="I think this is a good suggestion. However, I wonder if a new answer in this thread with lots of other answers still attracts significant attention..." CreationDate="2013-10-17T19:35:22.717" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4658" PostId="1049" Score="0" Text="Likely not significant one @RicardoAndrade, but basically it suffices if François G. Dorais (or another moderator) notices." CreationDate="2013-10-17T22:23:40.157" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4636" PostId="1050" Score="13" Text="I worry this encourages people to manipulate questions for the purpose of giving self-aggrandizing answers.  By and large I think we need to try to respect the will of the question-asker.  Modifications to questions not done by the author should only be to correct basic features to ensure the question is understood: spelling, tags and such." CreationDate="2013-10-17T14:42:43.657" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="4638" PostId="1050" Score="9" Text="I'm not too worried about deliberate manipulation, since it could be undone, although maybe it could be more of a problem than I foresee.  Regarding respecting the will of the question-asker, I think this is an important principle if they are actively participating and clarifying their intentions.  However, if someone shows up out of nowhere to ask a question anonymously and then remains silent for several days, I'm not so worried about this.  I'll edit my answer to clarify." CreationDate="2013-10-17T14:59:53.870" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="4639" PostId="1050" Score="5" Text="While in principle I share some of @RyanBudney's concern, I still think that Henry Cohn's suggestion is a good one for the cases where it is too late to take another route. We will not manage to remove the question from the site once it has sufficiently much good content below it in the answer-boxes (and maybe we should not try), so better it is a good or at least alright question than something else. [cont.]" CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:14:44.840" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4640" PostId="1050" Score="6" Text="But re concern, a worry of me are the 'broken windows' or rather those that break them. While one should focus on the q and not the users asking them there is a risk that some asking the q in the 'stone soup' thread (and possibly others in addition) get away with the idea that their question that was nothing but some ordinary (or even ugly) stone actually was delicious and will offer us ever more of them. I am not sure if this encouraging effect is stronger or weaker when there is substantive editing; likely depends on questioner. (I do not give examples but not for lack of them.)" CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:18:40.593" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4657" PostId="1050" Score="5" Text="I very much like this suggestion. To help manage Ryan's concern, I think it's good to also add a comment, to the effect &quot;I've substantially revised this question; feel free to revert or change further if you feel appropriate, or start a discussion on meta.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-17T20:43:28.220" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4668" PostId="1050" Score="0" Text="For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows" CreationDate="2013-10-18T03:20:58.313" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="4723" PostId="1050" Score="3" Text="&quot;In that case it's better to clean up the question than to leave visitors with the impression that this is what MO is for.&quot;  This is a kind of common rhetoric on MO but it is fairly unsound. These &quot;visitors&quot; who may visit some MO question and will get a wrong impression, is largely an imaginary notion." CreationDate="2013-10-18T18:04:07.857" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4742" PostId="1050" Score="9" Text="@GilKalai we had cases where it was explicitly said by users asking problematic (in some people's opinions) questions that they found some question on the site via a search and then extrapolated from this question what should also be acceptable (just the thing they saw was not really acceptable to begin with). A keyword to help you remember an example &quot;maiden name.&quot; And precedences are invoked all the time. So this exists. I would be curious how you can assert it is an 'imaginary notion.' We might not know how common it is and your guess might differ from others, but it exists for a fact." CreationDate="2013-10-18T21:21:28.593" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4833" PostId="1050" Score="2" Text="@Ryan Budney I am new here. If I am allowed to put my penny in, I will write a few words. I was quite enthusiastic in my first MO days. Then I faced the&#xA;[case](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/143886/on-the-full-rings-of-matrices).&#xA;I admit some users probably committed a kind of fraud, but my euphoria gone away mostly because a priory rude attitude to an OP." CreationDate="2013-10-20T19:11:34.277" UserId="40352" />
  <row Id="4641" PostId="1051" Score="5" Text="Could be worth a try. I would however suggest that in each of these questions when posted this context is mentioned, otherwise observer will think they can just ask these things as they please." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:22:15.943" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4646" PostId="1051" Score="2" Text="To address @quid's concerns: here on Meta there are moderator-only tags (like e.g. &quot;featured&quot;) -- would it be possible to make &quot;soft-question&quot;, &quot;big-list&quot; and maybe some others moderator-only tags on Main?" CreationDate="2013-10-17T17:10:35.507" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4648" PostId="1051" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl thank you for the idea this could be useful, but alone would be too implict to address my concern, since the observers I have in mind ought to be ignorant about the meta pre-staging and thus presumably would be even more ignorant about fine details in tagging." CreationDate="2013-10-17T17:43:29.880" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4651" PostId="1051" Score="10" Text="I think this is a really good idea." CreationDate="2013-10-17T18:25:50.950" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="4713" PostId="1051" Score="5" Text="Keep in mind that this would give much more weight to users who regularly visit meta in comparison to those who do not. It will essentially create some kind of editorial board for soft-questions. By the way, what happens if someone directly asks a soft-question on the main site? Are we going to be migrate it to meta or just close it as off-topic?" CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:15:44.623" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4715" PostId="1051" Score="3" Text="It is also going to be hard to manage the list after the first 20 or so questions. Newer questions posted in the thread are not likely to be read and voted on much. Aside from these technical issues I personally don't like the idea that a good soft-question would have to wait a few weeks or months before being posted on the main. The positive side is also not clear as it seems to me it would merely move the close wars to meta but with a different set of participants (in place of those with +3K rep anyone with +15 rep would be voting)." CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:23:34.273" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4724" PostId="1051" Score="1" Text="I have no doubt that Noah's suggestion has some merits and comes from a good spirit. But, for the reasons mentioned in my answer and comments of @Kaveh I have down-voted it." CreationDate="2013-10-18T18:04:47.257" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="4886" PostId="1051" Score="0" Text="I'm suddenly reminded that this is exactly what I did with my question about Neron on the old site. I wasn't sure if it was too soft, so I first proposed it on meta (now tea). http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/332/a-borderline-question/" CreationDate="2013-10-24T11:02:57.560" UserId="3384" />
  <row Id="8693" PostId="1051" Score="0" Text="only allow &gt;500 rep users to use the soft-question tag" CreationDate="2014-09-21T00:30:09.500" UserId="10668" />
  <row Id="4659" PostId="1052" Score="2" Text="The question is here: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/137920/how-ab-can-grow-when-ab-mid-n/142996#142996" CreationDate="2013-10-18T01:59:45.803" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="4660" PostId="1052" Score="0" Text="@Lucia Thanks for the link to the question!" CreationDate="2013-10-18T02:32:29.347" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="7093" PostId="1053" Score="1" Text="Daniel, I added a notice in the hope that users would first try a [meta-tag:feature-request] before posting here. Maybe you can think of a better wording for your question. Ideally, this place should be a graveyard for well intended feature requests that get declined for feasibility reasons. Instead, it's attracting new feature requests that never get seen by the people who can determine whether they are feasible." CreationDate="2014-03-14T19:14:34.570" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4662" PostId="1054" Score="3" Text="I could not agree with this more. It is ridiculous when I get +10 each time someone votes for this http://mathoverflow.net/questions/141501/fixed-point-property-for-maps-of-compacts/141509#141509 but only +5 when someone votes for this: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/104059/the-topology-of-arithmetic-progressions-of-primes" CreationDate="2013-10-18T02:35:32.033" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4674" PostId="1054" Score="10" Text="I would say: yes, but only together with some measures to avoid excessively rewarding people who only ask lots and lots of questions, but provide almost no answers to other people's questions." CreationDate="2013-10-18T09:52:28.540" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4678" PostId="1054" Score="13" Text="I am against changing back. An issue got raised by @StefanKohl. One might consider more subtle models of point distribution according to votes, which then might be better, but just as is I think the current way of distributing is relatively better than the one we had. Yes, really good questions are important, but more often than not detailed and coherent (mathematical) question do not get that many votes regardless, at least if they are somewhat specialised. By contrast, some general interest question that are not even that well-thought out get many votes." CreationDate="2013-10-18T10:35:33.947" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4703" PostId="1054" Score="20" Text="I agree with @quid.  On MO 1.0, there were many users who got to 3000 rep by just asking semi-soft questions. This I think led to many open-close wars on soft questions. I think we see less now because of that.  In fact the +10 encouraged people to ask very soft questions to try and get rep before somebody forced them to make the question CW. Of course rep is silly but the point is 3000 rep gives the power to open and close questions and if people get this power without every answering a question, this can lead to a change in the nature of the site." CreationDate="2013-10-18T14:46:04.560" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4712" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg under 2.0 the moderators are the only ones who can make a (semi)soft question CW, so the only way your fears can get realized is if there are lapses in moderation. I think this is unlikely since the mods are super-quick." CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:13:03.097" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4720" PostId="1054" Score="4" Text="@Vidit Nanda, I don't get your point. In a sense things are now worse. Flagging the mods for CW was possible in MO 1.0 too. But often people were pressured to add the CW themselves." CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:48:52.917" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4733" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg I suppose we things differently. In the earlier system the responsibility of making soft questions CW was shared between moderators (whose judgment I basically trusted) and askers (whom I didn't always trust to make question CW). Now, the power to do the right thing rests solely in the hands of people I trust, which seems like a definite improvement." CreationDate="2013-10-18T19:26:38.080" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4748" PostId="1054" Score="26" Text="While I agree that great questions are extremely valuable, they are also extremely rare, and changing to +10 for all questions would have much more impact on not-so-great questions.  My impression is that, in most cases, much more effort went into answers than into questions; and it seems reasonable to make the rep awards reflect this.  (I turned an earlier version of this comment into a separate answer to this question.)" CreationDate="2013-10-19T00:24:59.710" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="4756" PostId="1054" Score="9" Text="I feel like this problem would be solved if each time the upvoter could choose from 2 types of upvote; one is worth +5 innernetz and the other +10." CreationDate="2013-10-19T02:15:27.320" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="4795" PostId="1054" Score="3" Text="@MichaelZieve Do you have any evidence for the rarity of great questions or the claim that it takes less to ask a good question than to give a good answer? A huge percentage of the answers here, mine included, are &quot;look at so-and-so's paper&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-19T20:52:03.370" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4802" PostId="1054" Score="1" Text="@ViditNanda: I have no idea what you would consider to be &quot;evidence for the rarity of great questions&quot;, since obviously what is a &quot;great question&quot; is subjective.  Of course I am stating my observation.  I have not seen many answers of the form &quot;look at so-and-so's paper&quot;, although the percentage of answers like that could indeed be measured (and perhaps you could tell us what it is, since you say it is &quot;huge&quot;, which sounds incorrect).  Most answers I see are significantly more detailed, more original, and more thought-out than most questions I see." CreationDate="2013-10-19T23:46:11.073" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="4803" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="@ViditNanda: I thought of a way to provide the evidence you requested.  I checked the votes made by the 24 users who have earned the most points this year.  All of them have voted up much more than they voted down.  18 of them have voted on answers more than on questions (usually by a huge margin).  For instance, you have voted 338 times on answers and 206 times on questions.  So apparently you also believe that great answers are more common than great questions." CreationDate="2013-10-20T00:05:07.140" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="4805" PostId="1054" Score="3" Text="@MichaelZieve That evidence would be perfect if there were as many questions as answers on this site. In particular, I'm sure you have often voted up multiple answers to the same question whereas it is not often that one encounters different questions to the same answer." CreationDate="2013-10-20T00:41:11.670" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4816" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="@ViditNanda: First, although you are sure that I &quot;have often voted up multiple answers to the same question&quot;, you are wrong.  Second, is there any type of evidence which would satisfy you?  Third, you made a testable (and probably false) claim about a &quot;huge percentage of the answers here&quot;; do I infer correctly that you are not willing or able to provide evidence for that claim, even though you made this claim in the same comment in which you requested evidence for my assertion of what &quot;my impression&quot; is?" CreationDate="2013-10-20T11:38:30.417" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="4821" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="@MichaelZieve I'll try to find the appropriate search method to quantify my claim regarding reference-based answers. But please try not to use question-vs-answer upvote ratios as evidence since there are *twice* as many answers as open questions on the site right now." CreationDate="2013-10-20T12:14:02.013" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4881" PostId="1054" Score="8" Text="The lazy question http://mathoverflow.net/posts/106560/revisions (please read the original version) has 156 votes.   It is now CW but the OP amassed a lot of rep before that happened. The question was also rewritten stone soup style. The answers which are also highly upvotes required a lot of thought." CreationDate="2013-10-23T15:34:01.770" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4908" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg I have no idea why the mods didn't make that question community wiki right away." CreationDate="2013-10-25T00:58:09.490" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="8141" PostId="1054" Score="1" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg I completely agree that this was a very lazy question, and I actually down voted it long ago. Yet this is a good question in the sense that it provoked very good answer. To the externes that we take reputation seriously, it may feel unfair that the Op got so many points or such a lazy question, but for the greater good of the site, it was a very good thing that this question was asked, as some of the best answers ever posted here appeared below this question." CreationDate="2014-07-04T13:04:41.397" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="21279" PostId="1054" Score="7" Text="This has in fact now happened across all SE sites." CreationDate="2019-11-14T05:47:28.963" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21282" PostId="1054" Score="1" Text="Hallelujah! I'm so happy this has in fact happened, even if somewhat belated." CreationDate="2019-11-14T14:53:39.417" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="22161" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="Soon after the change, the discussion whether this should be reverted appeared here on meta: [Can MO go back to +5 rep for questions? Should it?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4386)" CreationDate="2020-05-11T08:36:09.217" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4667" PostId="1055" Score="18" Text="This isn't so much a wish list thing, we can just do it." CreationDate="2013-10-18T03:18:14.923" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="4664" PostId="1056" Score="9" Text="You can &quot;opt out&quot; from reputation by making your answers CW, so the only trouble we'd ever see is when asking questions (and still wanting to reward good answers). While I'm all in favor of +10 instead of +5 for upvoting questions, anyone who has considerably more questions than answers probably *should* be subject to the reputation system." CreationDate="2013-10-18T02:50:09.617" UserId="18263" />
  <row Id="4835" PostId="1056" Score="0" Text="Still, it would be nice to have a feature where any user could opt out of reputation, and that user would cease to have reputation displayed on their user page or beside their avatar." CreationDate="2013-10-20T21:23:51.863" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="4676" PostId="1057" Score="4" Text="I think 1. could be alright, 2. feels unnecessary and has the same issues to it that pre-moderation has in general  as recetnly dicussed http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1009/should-posts-sitting-in-the-first-posts-of-new-users-review-queue-be-hidden-fr Also I do not see much reason to have *more* (pre)moderation on the target site in a case where several people thought it could be alright there (in comparison to a situation where just somebody decided to ask there right away)." CreationDate="2013-10-18T10:02:22.623" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4661" PostId="1058" Score="3" Text="If, perchance, any reader of this comment realizes they've been abusing the voting system, I'd advise they contact us by email privately, and we'll clean up nice and discreetly. We don't like it, however, when we discover such examples ourselves." CreationDate="2013-10-18T02:33:19.290" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4666" PostId="1058" Score="0" Text="This explains the funky voting in http://mathoverflow.net/questions/142505/rings-in-which-every-element-is-a-sum-of-two-commuting-idempotents/142516?__=712753518." CreationDate="2013-10-18T02:56:37.133" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4675" PostId="1058" Score="0" Text="This is a general question motivated by this incident along the lines of @BenjaminSteinberg's remark. To what extent do you want to be informed if one *suspects* something like this could be happening? (I ask specifically since I did get at one point somewhat suspecting there was something strange going, but somehow felt uncomfortable raising the issue. I have an answer on a q where that user also has/had one and the voting felt a bit strange, in the sense of more than usual late votes, thus I noticed, but then there could have been other reasons too explaining the votes)." CreationDate="2013-10-18T09:58:50.913" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4684" PostId="1058" Score="2" Text="Hmm, I don't know, feels a bit like snitching on classmates! Maybe better to just leave it to us. We've got pretty good tools, especially since 2.0." CreationDate="2013-10-18T11:09:32.083" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4699" PostId="1058" Score="0" Text="Yes, it somehow felt quite denunciatory, which is why I was uncomfortable." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:31:12.187" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4718" PostId="1058" Score="0" Text="I feel like I should know this but:  What happens when I user is deleted for abusing the voting system?  Do all of that user's questions and answers simply disappear (or at least become visible only to high-rep users)?  If the questions and answers are valuable, ought they remain posted?  Should this be a feature request?" CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:38:09.467" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="4721" PostId="1058" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg, the mods can leave the questions and answers if they want to like in the question I linked." CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:50:29.897" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4740" PostId="1058" Score="1" Text="When a user is deleted the content is untouched. The user name in the attribution box simply no longer links to anything." CreationDate="2013-10-18T21:12:29.073" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4741" PostId="1058" Score="0" Text="@Scott: By the way -- under which circumstances are the deleted user's cast votes preserved / revoked?" CreationDate="2013-10-18T21:15:45.473" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4792" PostId="1058" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl: When a user is deleted, all of the votes they cast are deleted too. Their posts with nonnegative score are preserved but the rest are deleted. In particular, users who downvoted these posts recover their 1 point payment." CreationDate="2013-10-19T20:19:47.660" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4793" PostId="1058" Score="0" Text="See also [this answer on meta.SO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126470/what-does-user-was-removed-mean-and-why-did-my-reputation-change-because-of-it/126471#126471)." CreationDate="2013-10-19T20:21:57.703" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4672" PostId="1059" Score="2" Text="I couldn't agree with this more! Maybe this time with threading enabled (^_^)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T07:23:47.887" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="4673" PostId="1059" Score="10" Text="I *was* very much against adopting this new meta before we did, but now I think it works quite well and I feel there is more participation on meta now. (This might also be do to proper integration, but I do not think it is only due to this.) Thus, this is certainly not a wish of mine, and perhaps I am now even against it (not completely sure)." CreationDate="2013-10-18T09:35:07.730" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4686" PostId="1059" Score="4" Text="Scott, I was thinking about posting this. One candidate might be Jeff Atwood's new system called [discourse](http://discourse.org). @quid: I feel that the integration has a lot more to do with the participation." CreationDate="2013-10-18T11:47:42.313" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4688" PostId="1059" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Maybe, but hard to know. I still feel that it can be easier, in particular when one is not very involved with the site, to ask a *question* on something, then to start a discussion thread about something. There are some things I do not like that much about the new meta, for example, I would prefer the community-moderation tools like closing and spam-flagging where only available to moderators (as sometimes they get used in ways I do not approve of). But that voting is possible is somehow good in the end, also but not only as it sets a low entrance barrier for some involvement." CreationDate="2013-10-18T12:41:20.697" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4689" PostId="1059" Score="1" Text="@quid: There is a voting module for the software used on tea. I recall that people said that we can have voting if we really want to. I too agree that voting is a good thing, and also that it is easier to ask a question than to start a discussion, but I still feel that a meta platform which is actually a combination of the two approaches will be in fact superior (as long as it is well integrated into the main site, of course)." CreationDate="2013-10-18T12:44:03.773" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4691" PostId="1059" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I do not say the current system is perfect, and maybe what you propose would be an improvement, and I am confident it would be one for you and me, that is to say for those that are willing to get familiar with it. But I also think that it is an actual advantage that meta is near-identical to main and so infrequent users of meta are in no way scared away by (unfamiliar/new) technicalities." CreationDate="2013-10-18T12:50:50.667" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4753" PostId="1059" Score="3" Text="If we continue using the current meta, I think we might want to consider the following passage on FAQ: ***MathOverflow is not a discussion forum.*** *As a side-effect of being very good for to-the-point questions and answers,* ***the Stack Exchange software is bad for discussions and designed to minimize them.*** (emphasis by me) To me, it seems either that the reason given there for banning discussion is wrong (i.e., it's actually good for discussion) or that somehow we're using the software that is terrible for (and designed to minimize) discussion for important discussions about the main." CreationDate="2013-10-19T01:39:47.743" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="4755" PostId="1059" Score="0" Text="To be clear, I'm not taking either side. If the Stack Exchange software is good for discussion (so you can have good discussion threads once you get the hand of it as quid claims), then the current FAQ is wrong or even a lie; the software mustn't be the reason for banning discussion on the main site. If it's not that good or actually bad as the current FAQ claims, then it'd be a very convincing reason for switching meta's software to a more discussion-friendly system. In any case, I think we might want to either change meta's software or revise the passage on FAQ." CreationDate="2013-10-19T02:01:06.830" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="4774" PostId="1059" Score="0" Text="@quid: I'm more than fine with SE communities being aristocracies, ran by those who are brave enough to dwell in the meta sites. :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-19T11:31:58.170" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4775" PostId="1059" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila well, I guess I am in some way part of it, so yeah, no problem :-) More seriously, I prefer a meritocracy, which is not that far from what we have in practice (I think). Yet, then it is also necessary that the system allows for new ones to enter and &quot;to prove their abilities.&quot; And the entrance bar should not be high." CreationDate="2013-10-19T11:39:55.057" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4776" PostId="1059" Score="0" Text="@quid: I think that any user that has been &quot;around&quot; for a while will be taken seriously on meta. One just has to want to use it right. I mean, the intelligence required for abstract mathematics is far far greater than the one required to understand how a website works. I think. Well, I hope, anyway. :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-19T12:04:44.753" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4873" PostId="1060" Score="1" Text="BTW: now that we have one common moderator, some of the logistical issues may be slightly simpler." CreationDate="2013-10-22T14:54:12.377" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="4687" PostId="1061" Score="13" Text="I like &quot;karma&quot; best.  I think it expresses the purpose of the system most accurately." CreationDate="2013-10-18T11:51:08.967" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="4692" PostId="1061" Score="6" Text="On meta we have sorting of users by &quot;participation&quot;; I think this term could just be adopted for main, too." CreationDate="2013-10-18T12:55:58.073" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4693" PostId="1061" Score="13" Text="@Tom: &quot;karma&quot; is not a neutral term. -- I would avoid using terms related to religion or spirituality, for the obvious reasons." CreationDate="2013-10-18T12:59:05.300" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4695" PostId="1061" Score="2" Text="@quid: I think &quot;participation&quot; is also possible -- though using that term might have the drawback that one might argue that disruptive participation is also &quot;participation&quot; in a sense ... ." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:12:06.887" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4696" PostId="1061" Score="4" Text="Yes, but positive participation gives positive participation points and negative participations gives negative participation points. But perhaps &quot;contribution&quot; would have a more positive connotation than &quot;participation&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:18:51.327" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4697" PostId="1061" Score="18" Text="@quid: I think &quot;contribution&quot; sounds fine -- it describes what is meant quite well, and it is neutral in that it seems unlikely that it causes strong objections." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:23:07.307" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4700" PostId="1061" Score="2" Text="@Stefan, I see your point, though I think it's one of those words (like &quot;heaven&quot;) that's acquired a life of its own quite removed from its religious origins.  Anyway, &quot;contribution&quot; seems a good substitute - I'd vote for that." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:47:39.157" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="4747" PostId="1061" Score="4" Text="I see no reason why we need an extra word like &quot;reputation&quot; or &quot;participation&quot; attached to &quot;points&quot; or &quot;score&quot; at all.  We can be free to attach whatever interpretation we want to the numerical value." CreationDate="2013-10-19T00:22:15.230" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="4770" PostId="1061" Score="2" Text="@S.Carnahan Perhaps this is anyway what you mean, but, at the moment the tab there at http://mathoverflow.net/users is labeled &quot;reputation&quot; so an interpretation is given and there is thus (in some peoples opinion) need for changing this." CreationDate="2013-10-19T09:49:19.793" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4785" PostId="1061" Score="17" Text="I hate to say it, but this reputation *does* translate to some extent to a real world reputation. I went to three conferences by now, and despite the fact that I have never proved anything significant so far (my masters, while interesting is not even close to being *really* difficult), still people knew my name and had questions for me. If that's not reputation, then I don't know what is. :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-19T16:20:57.050" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4796" PostId="1061" Score="2" Text="@quid: It's not only the tab you mention -- more importantly, on one's user profile page below one's name and photo, it says &quot;xyz reputation&quot;. I wonder what people who do not use MO think about this when they google one's user profile page." CreationDate="2013-10-19T21:16:28.810" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4885" PostId="1061" Score="1" Text="@Asaf: Of course as everything you do, also what you post on MathOverflow contributes to how people see you. But what the points on this site measure is just a rough expression of how valuable people find your contributions to this site, and not more." CreationDate="2013-10-24T09:26:37.250" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4690" PostId="1062" Score="1" Text="I do not really see what the big problem is, but then you also said it is only a soft problem :-) Yes some people will be ignorant about this system, but so what. If we get a consensus on this, we close the question without much debate pointing  OP to the pre-staging system." CreationDate="2013-10-18T12:45:52.470" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4694" PostId="1062" Score="0" Text="@quid Paradoxically, just checking the soft questions, I also reaized that the &quot;ignorant&quot; ones are mainly the more experienced users! Moreover, I think the idea somehow confuses the main MO and the meta function and purpose." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:03:56.953" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="4698" PostId="1062" Score="6" Text="I do not see why it should confuse the purposes of meta and main. A main purpose of meta is precisely to discuss which question are and are not appropriate for main." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:25:00.373" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4701" PostId="1062" Score="0" Text="@quid But, that purpose works well if the question has been already seen on MO. Considering that not many MO users are frequent users of meta, the idea puts the faith of such questions just in the hand of a few users" CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:49:52.100" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="4702" PostId="1062" Score="0" Text="I am not so sure so few MO users read meta on a somewhat regular basis. The number of views of various meta post are reasonably high, and not significantly different from those of typical MO questions. Or just look at the question thanking Anton; 60 users voted in less than 48 hours." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:59:10.000" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4710" PostId="1062" Score="0" Text="@quid &quot;Thanking Anton&quot; only shows that the ratio voters/viewers is much higher in meta than MO. Could you find any question on MO with about 60 up-votes and just 470 viewers?" CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:09:13.507" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="4714" PostId="1062" Score="1" Text="It shows, and this was my point, that at the very least 60 actual MO users had a look at the post (while it is not quite clear to me what the &quot;views&quot; actually measure, this me referring also to votes). This is not an insignificant proportion already. Contrary to perhaps popular believe there are not that many people that actual take a continued active interest in MO and thus could and would reasonably participate in discussion on appropriateness of a question, also if posted on main. (For instance, only slightly more than 300 voted in the election, while the rep limit was not that high). (c.)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:20:36.350" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4716" PostId="1062" Score="0" Text="(c.) And thus I think that your objection that this would put the decision on the question(s) just in the hands of a few users is not justified. To the contrary, I think having a decision-process on such questions run over the course of a week or a continued form (as suggested) would allow more people to voice their opinion on questions and/or at least make the dicussion more independent of random events like who happened to be online when the question was asked, which in some cases can play a considerable role. (c.)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:25:56.253" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4717" PostId="1062" Score="0" Text="(c.) It is true that sometimes some users voice their opinions on controversial MO questions they just happen to notice and sort of like (or dislike), but who are not typically involved in accompanying meta discussions. Yet, frankly, these opinions are typically of very little relevance (and value) as often they clearly show little knowledge of the site's culture and standards. And, again, if they want, they could have more influence in a calmer discussion conducted in meta, instead of in a somewhat hectic open/close debate after the question was posted in MO." CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:32:48.400" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4726" PostId="1062" Score="0" Text="@quid It seems that we cannot convince each other. I see your points and of course I see some merits in them (in particular, I like &quot;a calmer discussion&quot; part). Yet, I don't think these reasons would be enough to have a mini-site inside meta. If the meta opens this door, who knows which other doors would be opened." CreationDate="2013-10-18T18:22:30.350" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="4727" PostId="1062" Score="2" Text="Hi @quid. In response to a reader who had trouble deciphering your second (c.), I did a little editing based on what I thought you were trying to say. If I got it wrong, please clarify -- thanks." CreationDate="2013-10-18T18:36:50.180" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4737" PostId="1062" Score="0" Text="Thank you @ToddTrimble, I read what is written now and this matches exactly my intent." CreationDate="2013-10-18T20:39:18.120" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4730" PostId="1063" Score="1" Text="One possible solution to the unbounded length is to do as [here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/4666/462): Once the fate of a question is clear, moderators clear up comments (maybe replicating them on [tea](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/)), and the answer is recycled. It is a tad more to do for moderators, but maybe not, as they would not have to deal with so many arguments on main." CreationDate="2013-10-18T19:02:23.070" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4731" PostId="1063" Score="1" Text="@Andres Caicedo Yeah, but didn't you just rewrite the last sentence of the first paragraph of my post in an expanded way? :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T19:05:02.250" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="4732" PostId="1063" Score="0" Text="(I would have guessed not, but there you go. Anyway, perhaps the  link I mentioned may be useful to some users to help them see in practice how the suggestion could be implemented.)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T19:08:57.350" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="4744" PostId="1063" Score="0" Text="I was thinking about the &quot;unbounded thread&quot; issue, and had two possible solutions.  First proposals are deleted after a certain amount of time, or second we have a separate thread each month and close them when the month is over." CreationDate="2013-10-18T21:53:21.810" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="4754" PostId="1063" Score="1" Text="An alternative solution is to create a separate &quot;Best-Of&quot; front page, some variant of the ideas proposed in this thread: [&quot;How to emphasize MathOverflow's best content?&quot;](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/948/6094). In other words, create a third stream that (largely) does not contain the soft questions." CreationDate="2013-10-19T01:41:04.280" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="4745" PostId="1064" Score="1" Text="An issue with this is that the decision then can depend purely on timing. Open/close of a question could depend on whether, say, the fifth close vote arives (slightly) before the first reopen vote or (slightly) after. An additional detail would also be if one could cast, say, a reopen vote before a close vote was even cast or a second reopen when there is only one close. (Also, I got briefly confused why you say for reopening the difference should reach 5, but then figured that likely you mean that upon closure the counters are reset to 0.)" CreationDate="2013-10-18T23:00:37.310" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4746" PostId="1064" Score="3" Text="@quid, yes, that is possible, we can not wait for everyone who wants to cast a vote to cast a vote. But it won't be worst that the current one and in many cases it can be better as those who are against closing or reopening do not need to wait till the question is closed/reopened to cast their votes." CreationDate="2013-10-18T23:41:56.800" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4759" PostId="1064" Score="0" Text="I still find it a bit strange tu have this depend on timing, but granted in practice this would not be that significant. However, what about the other points can one pre-emptively vote or not? That one cannot would go a bit against the spirit of the propsal (of no need to wait to cast the votes) yet if one could I am worried this will blur the distinction between up/down and open/close voting and in the end cause people to cast open/close votes with less consideration." CreationDate="2013-10-19T07:03:23.537" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4777" PostId="1064" Score="4" Text="Perhaps there should be more weight for reopen votes than for closed votes. For example, each reopen vote cancelling 2 close votes." CreationDate="2013-10-19T13:09:30.307" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="4782" PostId="1064" Score="5" Text="@Daniel, not sure about the exact numbers but I think the idea (if I understand it) makes sense: if a significant portion (not necessarily majority) of voters think a question should be open then I think it makes sense to keep it open." CreationDate="2013-10-19T14:09:12.500" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4819" PostId="1064" Score="1" Text="@DanielMoskovich (and Kaveh): but please also note that a bias towards open *is already present*  (and this proposoal will make this still somewhat stronger), under the proposoal  one needs five votes to close *more* than there are votes to reopen to get it closed, and one only needs to get back to the same number to get it reopened (And under the current system it is like that, up to &quot;rounding errors&quot;.) And, since OPs can vote on their own question (*and* with a significantly lower points-limit) there is still some more bias towards open." CreationDate="2013-10-20T11:59:53.020" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="21297" PostId="1064" Score="0" Text="There are ways to estimate the &quot;true&quot; open/close vote ratios from the votes accrued at a point in time. For reference if this is ever implemented: http://web.archive.org/web/20191119044017/https://dataorigami.net/blogs/napkin-folding/79030467-an-algorithm-to-sort-top-comments" CreationDate="2019-11-19T04:41:33.433" UserId="109769" />
  <row Id="4749" PostId="1065" Score="1" Text="I took the liberty of changing 'rep' to 'score' as per another request. (Another option is 'points', if you prefer.)" CreationDate="2013-10-19T00:31:54.990" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="12107" PostId="1065" Score="1" Text="It would be interesting to call them &quot;theory-builder score&quot; and &quot;problem-solver score&quot;." CreationDate="2016-01-09T06:26:38.823" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16982" PostId="1065" Score="0" Text="For people who are curious what (a crude approximation) of this score might look like, here are [data explorer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info) queries listing the users with highest total score of their [answers](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/revision/889444/1104895/top-users-based-on-score-from-answers) and [questions](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/revision/889445/1104896/top-users-based-on-score-from-questions)." CreationDate="2018-08-22T12:57:17.363" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4757" PostId="1066" Score="9" Text="Suspensions are not really up for debate and, moreover, the message you got with the suspensión is amply clear of the reasons behind it. On top of that, there is no reason why behaviour on MSE should not be taken into account here. In all, I can't see the point of this post except for reinforcing the points made by the mod in that message." CreationDate="2013-10-19T05:11:58.493" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="4758" PostId="1066" Score="14" Text="How many times now have you complained about this on meta?  It's getting annoying.  Please stop." CreationDate="2013-10-19T05:30:03.237" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="4766" PostId="1066" Score="18" Text="While I agree that OP's insistance can get annoying, I have to say that given the linked thread and me being unable to find any other recent long comment thread on main (was something deleted?) I've some sympathy for OP's surprise. He was greeted by an unjustified accusation (OP was active on MO before so it isn't clear he's using MO to circumvent any suspension, and even if so people's opinion on this is off-topic for main). Then, was encouraged by a moderator to provide details continuing on a/the meta debate, which were dilligently supplied, just to receive hostile comments by somebody." CreationDate="2013-10-19T09:08:12.823" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4767" PostId="1066" Score="5" Text="@AndyPutman Do you think I should be silent even if I was suspended wrongly?&#xA;This is a democratic community, isn't it?" CreationDate="2013-10-19T09:10:49.080" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="4768" PostId="1066" Score="7" Text="More generally, as in various cases of so-called &quot;problematic&quot; users a main problem in my opinion is with &quot;mainstream users&quot; (for lack of a better word) that for some reason [pseudo-psychological commentary surpressed] provoke the user." CreationDate="2013-10-19T09:15:53.937" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4772" PostId="1066" Score="6" Text="@quid: I don't know how well versed you are in the history of this user's behavior. But my experience tells me that &quot;more generally&quot; does not (in general) apply." CreationDate="2013-10-19T11:22:22.067" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4773" PostId="1066" Score="7" Text="@AsafKaragila I feel I am somewhat familiar with the math.SE history related to this, and for the more recent one [specfically for the relevant time span in this case, so around august] I feel rather well-informed (and oberserved the behavior I described, too). Maybe that I said 'a main problem' is too strong, but it is at least part of the problems, and also a problem, one that does not get address much (as far as I can tell)." CreationDate="2013-10-19T11:28:00.453" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4778" PostId="1066" Score="7" Text="@Makoto Kato: I'm sorry for my rudeness, but I would like to suggest that you not protest the suspension. Instead use the suspension as an opportunity to learn how to use this site more productively! There was a problem, and you've received a gift of a few days to think things over and to overcome the problem. It's a learning opportunity, not a punishment :-) . Limit yourself to 2-3 comments per comment thread at most, for instance, and you'll find yourself better received, and you'll get more out of the site." CreationDate="2013-10-19T13:18:45.953" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="4791" PostId="1066" Score="11" Text="@quid To answer the question in your first comment, I can confirm that *a lot* was deleted. Whole posts were deleted, and in posts that remained alive there were a lot of comments deleted by mods (and some by the owners as well). So there is some history that you (even with your detailed knowledge of MO and meta, which I've always found impressive) might not be able to see -- I'll leave it at that." CreationDate="2013-10-19T20:10:21.283" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4797" PostId="1066" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble thanks for letting me know, this explains it, I assume. (I'd still maintain the &quot;more generally&quot; in abstract, but this is a bit off-topic here.)" CreationDate="2013-10-19T21:43:12.670" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4799" PostId="1066" Score="9" Text="@MakotoKato : I will not respond further, but given that no one but you seems to think that your suspension was unjust, you should probably rethink your position here.  And wasting everyone's time by whining about it over and over again is not going to help you." CreationDate="2013-10-19T22:22:00.457" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="25812" PostId="1066" Score="0" Text="A recent question on this topic: [Is there any process to appeal bans?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5030)" CreationDate="2021-05-09T11:10:50.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4784" PostId="1067" Score="0" Text="Yeah, that would generally be great." CreationDate="2013-10-19T16:18:56.540" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4825" PostId="1067" Score="9" Text="Generally speaking, I think policies where people suddenly lose rep through no fault of their own could prove very annoying to some. Better I think would be a mechanism where a questioner who intends to have a question be CW have that question sitting in a holding pen until a moderator can convert to CW, where it would then be opened." CreationDate="2013-10-20T15:26:55.273" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4836" PostId="1067" Score="2" Text="But people would only be losing rep which never should have been earned in the first place, so mods could give a very reasonable explanation if any user later complained about losing such rep.  I have seen several soft questions which are asked by people unfamiliar with the site who don't know about CW, but which people familiar with the site immediately recognize as meriting the CW tag.  When moderators switch these to CW, assuming that the moderators agree that these are questions which should not have earned any rep, then it seems reasonable to remove rep which shouldn't have been earned." CreationDate="2013-10-20T23:27:32.293" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="4837" PostId="1067" Score="7" Text="If a call for CW could trigger a (possibly temporary) hold on rep, then that would make me feel a lot better about the proposal. It's the *subtraction* of rep that I don't sit easy with. I don't know why exactly; something psychological about it." CreationDate="2013-10-21T00:56:06.510" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4842" PostId="1067" Score="0" Text="@Todd Trimble: is your objection to the fact of users losing rep, or to the fact that it might not be clear to them why they lost rep?  I think the latter happens already when one has gotten votes from an account which is later closed.  In both cases, rather than simply having the awarded points disappear from a user's account, one could keep them in the user's detailed list of rep changes, but add a corresponding negative amount with the explanation that the points from a specific CW'ed question or from a closed account have been removed." CreationDate="2013-10-21T06:39:49.207" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="4843" PostId="1067" Score="1" Text="@MichaelZieve Probably more the first. I might explain it by pointing to an analogous phenomenon whose usual name I don't recall, but I'll call it &quot;irrational risk aversion&quot;: the sort of situation where if someone either offers you 20 dollars, or offers you a chance to bet 100 dollars with a 65% chance of winning in your favor, you'd still go with the sure deal. By that analogy, *losing* hard-earned points after having won them is felt more acutely than never having gained them in the first place. It might be irrational, but then you could say that the whole allure of the point system is too!" CreationDate="2013-10-21T07:39:29.980" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4845" PostId="1067" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble [Loss aversion](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_aversion) could be the term you are looking for. [Risk aversion](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_aversion), as given in your example can be a consequence of it. But the former seems more pertinent as the issue is here is really mainly about loosing something not so much about deciding to take a risk. // Generally, I upvoted the proposal since I think it would be good (in an abstarct sense) and also fairer in some way. However, it could likely be the case that it creates many issues/conflicts/hard feelings and is better not done." CreationDate="2013-10-21T11:04:25.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4854" PostId="1067" Score="0" Text="@quid Thanks -- I was too tired to hunt down the exact term when I last wrote." CreationDate="2013-10-21T18:10:31.570" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4936" PostId="1067" Score="0" Text="I would support letting people gain reputation points also on CW answers and questions. In any case, if we want to adopt the Michael's proposal we should, in my opinion, make the rules for CW questions stricter. It will be unfortunate if questions regarding application of mathematics, mathematical modeling, mathematical education, or relations with other areas, will automatically become CW." CreationDate="2013-10-26T18:45:25.193" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4940" PostId="1067" Score="1" Text="@Gil: I think you're addressing a different issue.  My objection is that, currently, earning points for eventually-CW'ed questions and answers isn't based entirely on votes, instead it is also based on how long it takes the moderators to notice the question and mark it CW.  It doesn't make sense to me that the moderators' sleep schedules (for instance) should play a role in determining how many points someone gets for a question or answer." CreationDate="2013-10-26T22:53:46.503" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="4985" PostId="1067" Score="0" Text="Michael, in this case the fair solution would be that answers given to a non CW question continue gain reputation also after the question has become a CW. Your earning-points expectations is based on the status of the question when you answer it." CreationDate="2013-10-29T05:41:07.357" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="4763" PostId="1068" Score="7" Text="MO might be a special case, though. IIRC, there was an agreement before the move SE will not intervene with site's moderation except in somehow urgent cases (say, massive spam attack or something like this)." CreationDate="2013-10-19T08:57:07.447" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4765" PostId="1068" Score="1" Text="@quid I was aware that MO has some kind of special status about some things, but I did not know the details; so I thought that account suspensions are handled similarly as for other sites." CreationDate="2013-10-19T08:59:37.703" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4769" PostId="1068" Score="0" Text="I will remove my answer if it is indeed incorrect. (For example, if the quid's comment is confirmed by some of MO mods or if someone points out the part of [migration agreement](https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bqmDNwzTjkLWxuR21FNHJWSXM/edit?usp=sharing) or some other agreement which regulates this.)" CreationDate="2013-10-19T09:16:05.747" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4779" PostId="1068" Score="11" Text="This is not an inappropriate way to file a complaint. Another is to contact the MathOverflow moderators directly - http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/833/who-are-the-mathoverflow-moderators" CreationDate="2013-10-19T13:38:07.923" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4801" PostId="1068" Score="3" Text="I think this deserves public attention.&#xA;Not eveybody gets suspension, but I think it's meaningful that the users know the moderators' mind set." CreationDate="2013-10-19T22:53:36.470" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="4806" PostId="1068" Score="2" Text="I misread Francois's comment above as &quot;not an appropriate&quot; instead of &quot;not an inappropriate&quot; ..." CreationDate="2013-10-20T01:03:11.617" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="4822" PostId="1068" Score="2" Text="@JoelReyesNoche You were [not the only one](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/11766411#11766411)." CreationDate="2013-10-20T13:18:04.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4783" PostId="1070" Score="8" Text="I think this is particularly important on meta. A length limit of a reasonable degree may make some sense on the main site if it's to deflect undesirably lengthy discussion, although, as fedja says, the current character limit seems too severe to me. But it makes no sense on meta when it's the place for discussing important issues about the main site." CreationDate="2013-10-19T14:27:36.427" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="4826" PostId="1070" Score="3" Text="I certainly agree about meta. I like even more Scott's suggestion: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1059/2926" CreationDate="2013-10-20T15:30:38.153" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4887" PostId="1070" Score="3" Text="I agree on meta, but not on the main site. Long comments should be answers." CreationDate="2013-10-24T13:46:05.707" UserId="6856" />
  <row Id="4888" PostId="1070" Score="4" Text="@Daniel Miler The difference between the comment and the answer is not in the number of symbols but in the general logic and the relevance to the previous discussion. Sometimes I can give a full answer in 3 words and need a page to make a comment. However, as usual, this suggestion is open for discussion :-)." CreationDate="2013-10-24T14:45:09.137" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="4890" PostId="1070" Score="4" Text="On the main site, I actually find that the effort needed to simplify a technical comment so that it fits within the 500 character constraint is often helpful for the clarity of the post." CreationDate="2013-10-24T15:03:15.087" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="4903" PostId="1070" Score="0" Text="@Emil: Minor correction: the limit is actually 600 characters." CreationDate="2013-10-24T19:52:42.230" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8582" PostId="1070" Score="0" Text="I think Brian consistently shows us how much squeezing can be done to fit lengthy comments in a short space (http://mathoverflow.net/users/3927/bcnrd?tab=activity&amp;sort=comments).  :-)" CreationDate="2014-08-29T16:10:06.217" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="4838" PostId="1071" Score="2" Text="This could (at least in theory) be set up as one of the custom off-topic close reasons." CreationDate="2013-10-21T03:53:19.687" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="4839" PostId="1071" Score="0" Text="It often is! But it's different from being &quot;off topic&quot;, and I think it's common enough to request that it be brought back... I wonder if there are any statistics on this?" CreationDate="2013-10-21T05:37:54.320" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="4840" PostId="1071" Score="1" Text="What sort of statistics are you looking for?" CreationDate="2013-10-21T05:58:46.290" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="4841" PostId="1071" Score="0" Text="Statistics to test the hypothesis that &quot;no longer relevant&quot; is a desirable standard closure reason: How common it is for people to list &quot;no longer relevant&quot; or a variant thereof as a custom off-topic close reason (what I mean by &quot;variant&quot; is imprecise- things like &quot;has been answered in the comments&quot; would be included, for example). Actually, an interesting statistic would be a list of all custom off-topic close reasons which have been used, ranked by number of times used!" CreationDate="2013-10-21T06:21:54.760" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="5017" PostId="1071" Score="1" Text="Sorry it took me a few days to put this together... Here are all the written-in close reasons that were supplied for closed questions since this new system was rolled out: http://pastebin.com/8QZ2Xi9c. And the overall off-topic usage breakdown: http://pastebin.com/aEgRa7kH." CreationDate="2013-10-29T23:08:16.460" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="4811" PostId="1073" Score="2" Text="If anyone has missed the relevant thread, here's the same request on MO's meta: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/140/sort-by-newest-option" CreationDate="2013-10-20T06:17:36.190" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="4820" PostId="1073" Score="0" Text="I'd have nothing against a fourth tab 'newest', but I'd not want to replace the 'active' tab (nor the 'oldest'), as I find 'active' more useful for (old) questions with many answers and it is quite close to 'newest' in typical circumstance. Or put differently, the main (only?, but perhaps I miss something) usecase for 'newest' I can see is to find new ans easily in a q I already read before, but then typically I am also interested in modifications to old ans so that 'active' is better, and even if not there are often not that many edits that one cannot easily ignore those ans when browsing." CreationDate="2013-10-20T12:07:12.030" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4828" PostId="1073" Score="0" Text="hmm, yes, actually &quot;active&quot; has a rather similar function. (Anyway if at all then to add not replace.)" CreationDate="2013-10-20T15:54:35.360" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="15967" PostId="1076" Score="0" Text="See also: [Why are MO tags formatted as they are?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1457)" CreationDate="2018-02-20T02:42:14.430" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4824" PostId="1077" Score="0" Text="I do not consider this as complete in any way, and might add to it later." CreationDate="2013-10-20T15:06:41.287" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4827" PostId="1077" Score="0" Text="Well -- isn't all this more or less self-evident for someone who cares enough to look what tags are there and how other questions are tagged? -- And will someone who doesn't care read such advice at all? -- I'm not sure." CreationDate="2013-10-20T15:50:15.153" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4829" PostId="1077" Score="2" Text="If things are written up one can link to them to inform new users (else one has to spell out a brief version each time). They then might or might not follow the advice. But, the point that some people filter and browse by tags and thus a special tag even if uniquely implying the 'higher' one is not sufficient might not be so self-evident. And, indeed, I got into some discussions with frequent users that do not seem to appreciate the structuring function of tags." CreationDate="2013-10-20T16:09:22.667" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4830" PostId="1077" Score="0" Text="I see. -- Indeed there is a notable difference between MO tags and the MSC -- among the former there is no hierarchy. Maybe this difference is worth to be mentioned explictly." CreationDate="2013-10-20T16:19:19.593" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4831" PostId="1077" Score="0" Text="Now I am not sure we mean the same thing but assuming we do: yes, a main point I meant to convey is that one should keep in mind that on MO giving something corresponding to a 5-character MSC does not in a technical sense put this in the relevant 3-char and 2-char category, so that one has to do this manually since also this technical sense has some relevance." CreationDate="2013-10-20T16:28:12.703" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4832" PostId="1077" Score="0" Text="Yes, that's what I meant." CreationDate="2013-10-20T16:48:39.233" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28043" PostId="1077" Score="0" Text="Some advice on choosing tags posted on [math.meta.se]: [How am I supposed to use tags?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21801) (It is a different site - but some of the things mentioned there apply for [mathoverflow.se], too.)" CreationDate="2022-12-04T08:36:29.610" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4846" PostId="1078" Score="2" Text="At least in principle, this should all be possible using the [Stack Exchange Data Explorer](http://data.stackexchange.com/)." CreationDate="2013-10-21T11:37:01.663" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4847" PostId="1078" Score="1" Text="I think this feature would require adding functionality to the search function. The search function already allows filtering questions by score and tags, so some of this is already possible." CreationDate="2013-10-21T12:21:12.907" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4848" PostId="1078" Score="4" Text="I have to confess I was not aware before @RicardoAndrade's comment of quite a bit of the functionality even (normal) search allows already, filtering by dates seems also possible. It is now not quite clear to me what precisely should be added to search or what room still exists to be filled between somewhat common ideas for searching and highly complex ones that then however could be done with the data explorer. Could the request be made more specific for example adding an example of a use case? (See http://mathoverflow.net/help/searching for search doc)" CreationDate="2013-10-21T12:33:29.280" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4849" PostId="1078" Score="0" Text="@quid I guessed that some of this functionality may exist, and find it somewhat comforting that such an experienced user was not completely aware of it.  Can the search facility save searches for later use?  Is there a user-friendly guide for the data explorer?" CreationDate="2013-10-21T12:55:53.403" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="4850" PostId="1078" Score="3" Text="@Carl: The search function cannot save searches by itself. However, it gives a url which, whenever visited, repeats the exact same search. One can always bookmark that url, for example." CreationDate="2013-10-21T13:18:50.907" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4851" PostId="1078" Score="0" Text="@Ricardo Thanks.  Relative dates (eg last n days) do not appear to be a current option for search." CreationDate="2013-10-21T13:47:10.440" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="4852" PostId="1078" Score="0" Text="@Carl I do not know much about the data explorer (thus I only wrote 'should' and the 'in principle' as I from a rough look I find it not very user friendly) so I do not really know; somebody  (François G. Dorais?) recommended  to start with existing queries that are available (follow the link and explore 'queries') also likely many things were already done by someone, though one would have to find it." CreationDate="2013-10-21T17:12:07.027" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4853" PostId="1078" Score="0" Text="On a general note for the 'search' I could see some advanatge in having (also) a more intuitive interface (with several lines, and drop-down menus and so on). I could however imagine that having such functionality exposed too much, in particular as something that is done all the time 'by default,' say every user can create costumized tabs, might run the risl of being 'too expensive' regarding load on the servers (but this is a pure guess, I do not know much about such things)." CreationDate="2013-10-21T17:15:34.043" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4855" PostId="1078" Score="0" Text="@quid Thanks, these comments are really helpful.  I didn't reply yet about the use.  Basically when checking the site I want to see all recent questions that are non-negative in my preferred tags, good questions in other tags, and questions with bounties, without having to do multiple searches." CreationDate="2013-10-21T20:56:57.073" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="4856" PostId="1078" Score="0" Text="You are welcome! One thing that occured to me (and was confirmed reading around the docs of data explorer http://data.stackexchange.com/help) is that for regularly checking the site the data explorer is not really an option as it is only updated once a week. And, relative dates for the search sound like a really good addition." CreationDate="2013-10-21T21:14:34.407" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4857" PostId="1078" Score="3" Text="Some Stack Apps could be helpful? http://stackapps.com/" CreationDate="2013-10-21T21:33:12.580" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4858" PostId="1079" Score="1" Text="One possibility is that the question has been closed, and so cannot accept any more answers, but can still accept comments." CreationDate="2013-10-22T02:46:21.250" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="4859" PostId="1079" Score="15" Text="Note that I just answered your question in a comment.  I did this because I felt that my answer did not address your question completely." CreationDate="2013-10-22T02:46:57.970" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="4860" PostId="1079" Score="5" Text="Another reason for answering in comments is that official answers bump up the question in the active list, but comments don't.  Some people get annoyed if questions are bumped often, and so some choose to answer in comments if they feel that their answers are not too important." CreationDate="2013-10-22T02:48:43.273" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="4861" PostId="1079" Score="19" Text="Another case is when you think the question might be a bit trivial, so you give a trivial proof/counterexample in a comment, and either the OP realizes the question needs an edit, or the question is made obsolete." CreationDate="2013-10-22T03:16:57.607" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="4862" PostId="1079" Score="10" Text="If the answer _can_ fit in a comment, then that's a reasonable indication that it might not be worth adding as a full-blown answer." CreationDate="2013-10-22T05:29:51.447" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="4863" PostId="1079" Score="2" Text="If, for whatever reason, you do not wish to accrue any points, either for this particular answer or in general, you might post an answer as a comment." CreationDate="2013-10-22T06:12:22.640" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="4867" PostId="1079" Score="9" Text="To complement @GerryMyerson's remark: if avoiding points is the *only* motivation you might consider instead to give the answer as an anwser proper and make it Community Wiki. See http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/493/questions-answered-in-a-comment and the links for issues with questions answered in comments only." CreationDate="2013-10-22T10:14:29.340" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4869" PostId="1079" Score="1" Text="Great, thank you for the information." CreationDate="2013-10-22T12:26:14.177" UserId="41581" />
  <row Id="4864" PostId="1080" Score="1" Text="I think there is some danger in automatically inferring that the commenter thinks the question is poor quality; it is also quite likely the answer is very incomplete." CreationDate="2013-10-22T08:27:25.007" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="4865" PostId="1080" Score="1" Text="Also, it is not clear that such points are cheap and easy - answers to a poor question are unlikely to gain many votes." CreationDate="2013-10-22T08:27:59.040" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="4866" PostId="1080" Score="12" Text="I often sketch a one-sentence answer in the comments if I don't have the time to write out a full answer (I am very slow to write them), but I can still regard the question as a good one and deserving of a full answer." CreationDate="2013-10-22T09:07:38.237" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="4868" PostId="1080" Score="3" Text="@Carl Those are good points, but I don't equate an easy (easily answered) question with a poor question. If the question is very easy, I might answer in a comment (with an option of expanding later into an answer) until I see that others find it worthwhile for MO; i.e., until then I might be hedging my bets by answering quickly in a comment." CreationDate="2013-10-22T11:51:12.827" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4879" PostId="1082" Score="13" Text="Maybe edible comments too? Many grad students might be using the site, and as grad students they are always on the look for free food. If the comments are edible, it means that they can easily find food!" CreationDate="2013-10-23T10:46:12.700" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4880" PostId="1082" Score="10" Text="Please make a somewhat precise suggestion. What is a bit more? Just increase the 5 minutes to something longer or indefinitely? Editing also by others (as for posts)? Revision history?" CreationDate="2013-10-23T11:10:05.957" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4882" PostId="1082" Score="1" Text="@quid, I think 5min limit is too short. How much more freedom should we have in editing our own comments needs to be discussed, but if you ask me I think there shouldn't be a time limit. Since these are suggestions for fantasy MO3.0 I don't think they needs to be that precise. This suggested feature is about people being about to edit _their own_ comments." CreationDate="2013-10-23T18:55:49.247" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4884" PostId="1082" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the reply. I agree they need not be &quot;that precise&quot; this is why I only asked for &quot;somewhat precise&quot; ;-)" CreationDate="2013-10-23T21:05:57.600" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4889" PostId="1083" Score="3" Text="There is a support for `AMScd`, though." CreationDate="2013-10-24T14:54:28.857" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4891" PostId="1083" Score="5" Text="One way to do that is to pressure the [XyJax](https://github.com/sonoisa/XyJax) developers to propose a reliable support plan for their product. http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/988" CreationDate="2013-10-24T15:03:43.830" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4906" PostId="1083" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: I hadn't known that.. but the flexibility of xypic would be even better." CreationDate="2013-10-24T22:26:17.463" UserId="6856" />
  <row Id="4907" PostId="1083" Score="0" Text="Of course. You should read the link in the first comment [written by me,] to the question linked by @François." CreationDate="2013-10-24T22:27:59.133" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4911" PostId="1083" Score="7" Text="Even better- tikz-cd !" CreationDate="2013-10-25T04:35:41.840" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="4919" PostId="1083" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: I just read François' answer. That is really too bad." CreationDate="2013-10-25T14:13:00.583" UserId="6856" />
  <row Id="4892" PostId="1084" Score="4" Text="Related: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/70/how-to-ask-page" CreationDate="2013-10-24T16:09:09.177" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4893" PostId="1084" Score="4" Text="It is  possible to change the content of said box. I asked Manishearth (a moderator on a site that changed it) regarding the process, 'we' only would need to agree on what to put in there instead and then ask the SE team to change it." CreationDate="2013-10-24T16:21:15.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4897" PostId="1084" Score="3" Text="Here is a somewhat related question: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/519/explicitly-pointing-out-math-stackexchange-when-new-users-ask-a-question" CreationDate="2013-10-24T18:18:44.270" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4942" PostId="1084" Score="0" Text="It seems there are many ideas and suggestions below, and that to move forward will require moderator help. I hope that some moderator will take the initiative in implementing some of these." CreationDate="2013-10-27T11:27:59.573" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="4894" PostId="1085" Score="1" Text="One thing I thought might be improved in the question is the tagging. Suggestions are welcome." CreationDate="2013-10-24T17:14:49.350" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4895" PostId="1085" Score="0" Text="The question could use more background. Presumably this is a real matrix filled with floating point numbers... Maybe it's better suited for [SciComp](http://scicomp.stackexchange.com/)?" CreationDate="2013-10-24T17:31:25.240" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4896" PostId="1085" Score="1" Text="Yeah, could be. If it doesn't belong here, then it'd be very nice to suggest a better place for it." CreationDate="2013-10-24T17:33:09.370" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4898" PostId="1085" Score="0" Text="More background would be helpful.  This looks to me (also not an expert, but probably less distant than Todd) like a serious question in numerical analysis.  The OP might be more likely to get a good answer on another site, but that's not exactly the same as being off-topic." CreationDate="2013-10-24T18:22:08.227" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="4899" PostId="1085" Score="6" Text="I am also not an expert in numerical linear algebra, but this looks like a serious question to me.  Perhaps those voting to close would be willing to say why this does not seem to be at an appropriate level for MO." CreationDate="2013-10-24T18:28:14.763" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="4900" PostId="1085" Score="2" Text="I voted to reopen. I'm not an expert on numerical linear algebra, but I don't think all of those who voted to close are, either." CreationDate="2013-10-24T18:38:00.003" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="4902" PostId="1085" Score="0" Text="For general information: the question got reopened." CreationDate="2013-10-24T19:30:54.963" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4904" PostId="1085" Score="3" Text="This should have been posted, preferably by the OP, here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-votes" CreationDate="2013-10-24T19:53:30.603" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="4905" PostId="1085" Score="0" Text="Thank you, @AsafKaragila. Sorry to have forgotten that." CreationDate="2013-10-24T19:56:53.310" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4910" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="Here is what we have right now on the about page for cstheory: http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/about" CreationDate="2013-10-25T02:54:08.090" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4913" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="Thank you for mentioning the text on cstheory! Maybe we finally can overcome the resistance to mentioning math.SE in such places invoking &quot;you&quot; mentioning CS as precedent." CreationDate="2013-10-25T10:13:04.063" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4914" PostId="1088" Score="1" Text="The &quot;Tell me more&quot; link goes to the &quot;About&quot; page.  A user that reads the entire &quot;About&quot; page receives an &quot;Informed&quot; badge.  At the moment a little under 700 users have recieved the &quot;Informed&quot; badge, yet we have tens of thousands of users.   I think the &quot;About&quot; page does more to explain the Stack Exchange format than the specifics of what this site is about.  Given that so few people read it, it seems not so useful." CreationDate="2013-10-25T11:28:37.387" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="4915" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="@RyanBudney if we were to edit the start of 'about' and add links under research math and professional mathematician to sources (possibly to be created) that explain the term more precisely this seems rather alright to me, possibly with links to math.SE or alternative sites in addition (like on cstheory). If we also edit the box in a about the same way it is a bit unclerar to me what else should be done. (It now even says reserch math in the box for the title of the question when it is empty.) If somebody does not notice (or rather ignores this), I don't know if they can be stoped at all." CreationDate="2013-10-25T12:49:55.573" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4916" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="Well, one of the problems is the about page is only available when one first logs in.  That's easy to miss.  It should also be made fairly prominently available when one goes to ask a question.  Moreover, we should try to ensure it looks more about the site than just about the generic SE format." CreationDate="2013-10-25T12:52:21.243" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="4917" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="@RyanBudney the page is *not* only available when on first login (or rather before login). One gets there if in the help center one clicks at the start on the (large) &quot;take the tour.&quot; It is true it is not directly available from &quot;ask&quot; but this would be easy enough to change, though there is a link to &quot;help center.&quot; But as said it would be easy enough to have a direct link. Something that I think should be changed is http://mathoverflow.net/questions/how-to-ask , also linked in the box but at the moment still generic." CreationDate="2013-10-25T13:15:06.180" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4923" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="@Ryan, I agree it would be nice to have more emphasis on the scope. However I am not sure we have utilized what is available right now. I don't think most of current users read the [about] page so informed being under 700 is not strange. The about page is to help users use the site so it is naturally going to contain some generic information. The top part is about the scope and can be edited by moderators." CreationDate="2013-10-25T16:35:26.700" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4924" PostId="1088" Score="1" Text="[cont.] it would be nice if &quot;research level mathematics&quot; in the [How to Ask box](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/ask) linked to [help/on-topic]." CreationDate="2013-10-25T16:39:03.777" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4909" PostId="1089" Score="0" Text="Part removed since there are better places for that." CreationDate="2013-10-25T02:26:36.517" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="4912" PostId="1090" Score="3" Text="The/An issue here is that the new [Help Center](http://mathoverflow.net/help) has a dedicated &quot;what not&quot; section now; indeed, it is in some sense the very first entry namely [&quot;What types of questions should I avoid asking?&quot;](http://mathoverflow.net/help/dont-ask) so even somewhat more visible than &quot;on-topic.&quot; Rather than to expose the link to the part of 'on-topic' that is about 'off-topic' it would seems better to me to costumize 'what not' as done for 'on-topic' more or less via moving that part of 'on-topic' there. I [proposed it](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/468/9072) long ago." CreationDate="2013-10-25T10:09:36.467" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4928" PostId="1090" Score="1" Text="@quid - any reason it hasn't been done yet? We surely don't need to plan out all of how the help centre should be before asking out SE overlords to change it?" CreationDate="2013-10-26T00:13:21.340" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="4930" PostId="1090" Score="0" Text="I am not sure if the said page is one moderators can edit by default (as it is for on-topic), but in any case it was said somewhere here on meta that if the need arises then MO can edit also pages where this is not possible by default. The main reason seems to be that moderators did not yet find the time to do it and perhaps also that nobody made an explicit suggestion for a text (I suggested it only in general terms)." CreationDate="2013-10-26T00:20:13.760" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4932" PostId="1094" Score="0" Text="The info on the click-through message is very interesting! In my opinion it should defintely be activated (there is little down-side to it and it might help a bit)." CreationDate="2013-10-26T10:53:38.173" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4933" PostId="1094" Score="0" Text="I think all these options are definitely worth exploring. To be honest, I was unaware of a lot of what you describe. Thank you very much, @Mad Scientist." CreationDate="2013-10-26T13:47:32.540" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="4934" PostId="1095" Score="1" Text="I retagged [meta-tag:support] instead of [meta-tag:bug] to avoid somebody else having to add a status-tag." CreationDate="2013-10-26T14:12:16.740" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4937" PostId="1097" Score="0" Text="Looks fine on my chrome." CreationDate="2013-10-26T20:38:14.973" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4938" PostId="1097" Score="4" Text="http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1095/html-tags-in-title-e-g-strike-through" CreationDate="2013-10-26T20:44:32.913" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4939" PostId="1097" Score="3" Text="Oh, I see! The point is that the quote is not due to Erdős. And the strike only spans the middle three letters, somehwat unevenly. Sorry!" CreationDate="2013-10-26T21:02:19.153" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="4944" PostId="1099" Score="2" Text="The example you point out is in a comment (of mine), and my understanding is that only moderators can edit comments." CreationDate="2013-10-28T03:14:54.923" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="4963" PostId="1099" Score="2" Text="Could Stack Exchange staff have these all automatically fixed?" CreationDate="2013-10-28T13:56:12.087" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="4968" PostId="1099" Score="2" Text="I think that when we moved to 2.0 we gained the power to edit our own comments. Not sure if we can edit old comments of ours from before the migration, though. At least, I can't see how to do it." CreationDate="2013-10-28T15:15:04.900" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="4969" PostId="1099" Score="5" Text="@David: Nonmoderators can only edit comments within 5 minutes of posting them." CreationDate="2013-10-28T15:16:46.587" UserId="1119" />
  <row Id="4970" PostId="1099" Score="0" Text="Okay, good to know. Thanks" CreationDate="2013-10-28T15:17:10.657" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="26841" PostId="1099" Score="0" Text="To find posts and comments respectively that point to the old address, see   https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1543589/posts-that-link-to-the-oeiss-old-url https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1543626/comments-that-link-to-the-oeiss-old-url" CreationDate="2022-01-19T11:56:43.750" UserId="5340" />
  <row Id="4945" PostId="1100" Score="14" Text="Feeling obsessive compulsive, I did most of the comments." CreationDate="2013-10-28T05:24:53.400" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4946" PostId="1100" Score="10" Text="You think you were obsessive-compulsive? I used the 'share' link on each question/answer to get the above list, manually (and trimmed the comments to links to short-form) ... ^_^" CreationDate="2013-10-28T06:17:58.723" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="4947" PostId="1100" Score="1" Text="And I moved the others under the correct heading (wasn't looking close enough when I pasted those ones in)." CreationDate="2013-10-28T06:20:36.990" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="4948" PostId="1100" Score="1" Text="@Scott more for you..." CreationDate="2013-10-28T06:22:08.153" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="4977" PostId="1100" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the list - I'd guessed there would be more, but for these numbers I guess hand-editing is fine (accepting some &quot;omg, something changed&quot; front-page churn)." CreationDate="2013-10-28T19:32:45.663" UserId="6089" />
  <row Id="4993" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="The striked ones are flooding the list? Could I remove them?." CreationDate="2013-10-29T12:08:10.643" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="5014" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="I moved the struck out ones down the page. @ScottMorrison - there are still four comments that need editing, if you feel so inclined." CreationDate="2013-10-29T22:26:06.160" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="5015" PostId="1100" Score="3" Text="@DImension10AbhimanyuPS - I changed the WayBack machine links that you inserted to arxiv/neilsloane.com links." CreationDate="2013-10-29T22:46:27.403" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="5016" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="I also tracked down the other links to non-OEIS pages that need to be inserted into comments." CreationDate="2013-10-29T22:47:10.297" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="5021" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison - thanks!" CreationDate="2013-10-30T03:12:17.600" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="5059" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="I found one of my questions with a link to Sloane's AT&amp;T page that was not listed above.  http://mathoverflow.net/questions/18636/number-of-invertible-0-1-real-matrices  I edited it in.  Can someone explain how they are searching for the culprits?" CreationDate="2013-10-30T16:05:29.000" UserId="2233" />
  <row Id="5060" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="@Tony Huynh: I fixed the answer, but there is still a comment. A pure speculation, but one reason the search might have missed it is that the link didn’t use markdown syntax, but HTML `&lt;a&gt;...&lt;/a&gt;`. If so, there may be more such cases." CreationDate="2013-10-30T18:31:42.170" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5066" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="@TonyHuynh I used Google and merely searched for the domain to which Sloane's page was attached - Emil is right in that I wouldn't have found instances where the link was coded in HTML." CreationDate="2013-10-30T22:25:41.740" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="5067" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Yes, I suspect there are indeed many more cases where HTML was used.  I will try to fix any that I come across." CreationDate="2013-10-30T22:44:18.583" UserId="2233" />
  <row Id="5068" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Thanks for confirming Emil's speculation." CreationDate="2013-10-30T22:44:49.647" UserId="2233" />
  <row Id="5077" PostId="1100" Score="2" Text="You can probably get Scott Morrison's help to make an SQL query on the data explorer to find most occurrences.  Gerhard &quot;Or Grep A Database Dump&quot; Paseman, 2013.10.30" CreationDate="2013-10-30T23:47:21.650" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5081" PostId="1100" Score="4" Text="&quot;Grep a database dump&quot; sounds vaguely sinister, or at the very least quite unsanitary." CreationDate="2013-10-31T06:30:27.947" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="5305" PostId="1100" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison: A quick google search using the term `site:mathoverflow.net njas` still seems to give *comments* whose links are broken e.g. http://mathoverflow.net/q/36188/16302 and http://mathoverflow.net/q/16780/16302." CreationDate="2013-11-10T21:49:43.147" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="20462" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="Just for the record, it is easy to find posts with links to a given domain using the built-in search: https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3A%22%2Aresearch.att.com%2A%22. For comments you have to use SEDE: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/556789/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author?Word=research.att.com. Currently there are 56 posts and 39 comments. (Of course, not necessarily all of them are links to OEIS. You can restrict the searches by including also `~njas/sequences`.)" CreationDate="2019-06-26T12:08:33.910" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20463" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="I left a bit more detailed info (some other queries, dead links to other domains) in chat: https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/outdated-oeis-links and https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2019/6/26" CreationDate="2019-06-26T12:09:19.147" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20881" PostId="1100" Score="2" Text="BTW it seems rather unusual to me that this is marked (status-completed) when there is plenty of posts (and comments) on the main site with the old domain." CreationDate="2019-08-15T08:13:36.797" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4956" PostId="1101" Score="8" Text="The revision histories show precisely why a thread was bumped. In this case it was due to updating a broken link in an answer (see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1099/should-oeis-links-be-updated for context) **not** for tagging. [Fixing of tags was also done but **only** because the question was on top anyway.] Whether one should fix the link in this thread might still be debatable but as it is part of fixing some general problem it seems alright." CreationDate="2013-10-28T12:18:46.017" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4958" PostId="1101" Score="5" Text="I think that question can be safely deleted.  Anyone against?" CreationDate="2013-10-28T13:39:50.130" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="4962" PostId="1101" Score="3" Text="@S.Carnahan I have nothing against it. It has a surprisingly large number of views though (15k). Maybe this hints at some significance of it to someone/somewhere." CreationDate="2013-10-28T13:55:02.457" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4964" PostId="1101" Score="5" Text="It is the top Google hit (on my computer) for the terms &quot;factorial&quot; and &quot;addition&quot;.  The next hit is an xkcd forum that covers the exact same topic, so I think our version of the discussion is redundant." CreationDate="2013-10-28T14:06:31.437" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="4967" PostId="1101" Score="3" Text="@quid: I was a bit too quick. I only looked at the edit history of the question, not of the answers. I wouldn't have posted otherwise." CreationDate="2013-10-28T15:02:02.947" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="16838" PostId="1101" Score="0" Text="A related recent post: [Restriction on editing closed questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3832)." CreationDate="2018-07-31T07:20:35.913" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="4960" PostId="1102" Score="1" Text="Instead of making an isolated statement of opinion, could you elaborate with a reason why you don't think it is a good thing to do?  In the absence of qualifiers, it sounds like you are saying that it is never a good thing to do.  Is that the generality you intend?" CreationDate="2013-10-28T13:48:39.380" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="4966" PostId="1102" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan I am going to add something to the body of the post since my answer to you is too long for a comment." CreationDate="2013-10-28T14:42:34.277" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="4990" PostId="1102" Score="0" Text="Amir, to answer one of your questions, I think pre-asking falls under asking questions of the community. As for the imagined scenario, the fact is that questions *aren't* migrated from MSE to MO meta. And I don't imagine they ever will be." CreationDate="2013-10-29T10:53:00.780" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4994" PostId="1102" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Of course, the imagined scenario wasn't about a formal, automatic migration. It is about considering that choice for the asker of the question." CreationDate="2013-10-29T15:07:55.723" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="5018" PostId="1102" Score="6" Text="I am note sure this question is appropriate for this site. It should be posted on meta-meta-mathoverflow." CreationDate="2013-10-29T23:55:14.940" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5252" PostId="1102" Score="0" Text="@AmirAsghari Ordinary users cannot migrate questions from MSE to MO, only moderators at MSE can. And we are quite conservative in that we only do this if we deem the question to be well fit for MO (and the user requests it). I can't remember any soft question having been sent over and I don't think anyone of us would allow it." CreationDate="2013-11-06T16:11:03.563" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="4957" PostId="1103" Score="6" Text="Can you give an example? The only time I notice the year not being given is when it's from *this* year (e.g., 2013 as I write today)." CreationDate="2013-10-28T13:28:15.353" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4961" PostId="1104" Score="1" Text="This is not completely true AFAIK; yet it used to be like this (at least on SO at some point and I believe on old MO too). But now it is the current year only that is not shown, as Todd Trimble says. See here http://mathoverflow.net/questions?page=205&amp;sort=newest (for Dec 31st 2012 the 2012 is already written, for Jan 1st 2013 the 2013 is not written)." CreationDate="2013-10-28T13:49:58.697" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4986" PostId="1104" Score="0" Text="I say, switch to Unix time! :-P" CreationDate="2013-10-29T08:06:40.823" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5434" PostId="1104" Score="0" Text="OK understood thank you. I favor year every where for better memorization. But well.. ." CreationDate="2013-11-21T01:18:52.383" UserId="3005" />
  <row Id="4973" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="Of course, if there is a general consensus about using meta in this direction, I would be the first person who uses it. But, to be honest, I cannot see why the features of MO alone should not be considered enough for keeping MO &quot;clean&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-28T16:04:02.667" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="4974" PostId="1105" Score="2" Text="@Amir: There is a long history of usage of meta for this purpose dating back through MO.1 days. Of course, anyone who wants to just post at MO without pre-asking is welcome to do so, but for those people who would not rest content with having their questions closed without further discussion: the general idea is to keep MO for mathematics, and not to get into discussions about why a question was closed in MO comments, but rather to address them here." CreationDate="2013-10-28T16:45:25.710" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4975" PostId="1105" Score="1" Text="By the way, I don't mind at all if someone wants to take a risk without pre-asking. I wouldn't pick between just asking versus pre-asking here as the more appropriate course. It's just the post-mortems that don't belong at MO (according to long-standing custom)." CreationDate="2013-10-28T16:48:47.370" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4976" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="Convinced, and happy about this custom. Of course, I am going to use it asap :)" CreationDate="2013-10-28T17:09:25.983" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="4991" PostId="1106" Score="0" Text="This is a really fantastic idea and I think it would be very effective. It doesn't even need to be anything too smart: If a flag is simply raised when the title contains phrases like &quot;oldest&quot; or &quot;open question&quot; or things like that I think that would drastically cut down on the amount of closing that needs to be done by a human being." CreationDate="2013-10-29T11:38:12.387" UserId="3384" />
  <row Id="4995" PostId="1106" Score="0" Text="@stankewicz There is already such a thing. For example, if you start writing as the title: &quot;what is your opinion ...&quot;, something pops up saying &quot;the question you're asking appears subjective and is likely to be closed&quot;. However, I don't know how &quot;smart&quot; it is, and if there is any way to make it smarter." CreationDate="2013-10-29T15:40:15.993" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="4997" PostId="1106" Score="1" Text="Indeed.  My suggestion includes populating the database with some fake failed questions which will trigger more flags, and hopefully do some automatic advice giving before the new question hits the database.  Gerhard &quot;Ask Me About System Design&quot; Paseman, 2013.10.29" CreationDate="2013-10-29T16:02:29.087" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="4978" PostId="1107" Score="5" Text="I think it is hard to tell with what intention a contest-type question is posted -- it may show interest in mathematics as you say, but it may also be an attempt to cheat in some competition, or whatever else. -- We can't read minds, in the end." CreationDate="2013-10-28T22:35:15.980" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="4979" PostId="1107" Score="39" Text="I think there's just no payoff to being rude about inappropriate questions. We might wish that it discourages later inappropriate questions, but the people asking them aren't reading the comments on earlier inappropriate questions anyway. If you feel like being rude about such a question, just leave the question for someone else to deal with --- there's no real shortage of users ready to close and delete." CreationDate="2013-10-28T23:05:00.190" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4980" PostId="1107" Score="21" Text="People have also been wrong in their assumptions about what is homework; this is a demonstrable truth. In any case, I don't think nastiness is justified even in the case of blatant HW questions. If you want to vent, feel free to do so in a comment attached to a flag that the moderators will read!" CreationDate="2013-10-29T00:04:22.150" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="4982" PostId="1107" Score="13" Text="It's true that expressing disapproval of a blatant homework question won't discourage future posters, who aren't reading those comments anyway.  But it just might cause the *current* poster to think twice before posting elsewhere and to consider the option of, well, doing his or her own homework.  And that, I think, is a service." CreationDate="2013-10-29T02:18:36.447" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="4983" PostId="1107" Score="1" Text="I think in fact that the current close as homework option is not a great idea. It arose from Mark Sapir's proposal to have a close as homework option which requires only 3 close votes and leads to immediate deletion. The second two parts of the proposal were not implemented. So as it currently stands the only difference between the close as HW and the close as not research level choices is in the level of aggressiveness. I am not convinced that the extra level of aggressiveness dissuades the kind of person who is going to ask HW questions but it can convince people doing contest-type (ctd...)" CreationDate="2013-10-29T02:23:47.160" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4984" PostId="1107" Score="0" Text="(...) questions that mathematicians are a bit brutish, not to mention it can be put offish for those who are not asking homework but phrase their question in a HW-type way." CreationDate="2013-10-29T02:24:41.600" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="4988" PostId="1107" Score="5" Text="It seems that you are equating not being kind to the OP with rudeness. &quot;you should do your own homework&quot; might not be very nice but I don't think it is really rude. I think it is wrong to remove comments unless they are really rude." CreationDate="2013-10-29T08:40:40.540" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="4989" PostId="1107" Score="12" Text="@Kaveh, I see a difference between the advice, &quot;you should do your own homework,&quot; and the command, &quot;do your own homework.&quot; And when it should be clear that the question isn't homework, I think it will be received as rude, and I think it is rude." CreationDate="2013-10-29T09:44:13.640" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="4992" PostId="1107" Score="3" Text="I changed the format. The old one, using MathJax, was too broad for the mobile version so it was cut-off." CreationDate="2013-10-29T11:44:24.903" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5011" PostId="1107" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg you are doing a service in your opinion to who? (I read your comment multiple times but it is still not quite clear to me what exactly you mean.)" CreationDate="2013-10-29T21:42:02.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5012" PostId="1107" Score="4" Text="quid:  I think it is a service to a) the (possibly rare) student who might reconsider the possibility of doing his own homework, b) the instructor of said student, who might well have a strong preference that students do their own homework, c) the fellow students of said student, who might prefer to be judged on an equal playing field, d) the consumers of said student's transcript, who might prefer that the grades reflect individual effort a little more accurately, and e) the denizens of other question/answer sites, who might find these &quot;do my homework&quot; questions just as annoying as we do." CreationDate="2013-10-29T21:51:32.283" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5013" PostId="1107" Score="1" Text="@StevenLandsburg thank you for the detailed reply. So if a) does typically not happen b) to e) are moot, but anyway. It is interesting how here you are quite confident about what might be good for all kinds of people, having no information about the precise circumstances whatsoever [while you are so worried about migrating things]. Maybe instead the fellow students might prefer to copy the homework from the one asking here, and we should thus give an answer? :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-29T22:21:10.203" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5019" PostId="1107" Score="3" Text="@quid:  Surely any policy we adopt is going to involve making guesses about what's good for at least some people other than ourselves (e.g. at a minimum, we'll have to guess about what's good for other members of MathOverflow).  But these are educated guesses based on a lot of years teaching at several universities in several departments, and a lot of conversations with colleagues and students about how to control cheating, and why." CreationDate="2013-10-30T00:30:38.063" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5024" PostId="1107" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg of course. Only, for other memebers of MO we do not even have to guess so much, since everybody who wishes to can express their opinion here. And, so some did. It seems there is quite a lot of sentiment *against* commands and advices of this form, while you yourself admit that if ever it has a positive effect it will be rare. (You say a. should be rare, and personally I'd add an 'extremely', and if a. does not happen I repeat all the rest is moot.)  Thus, it seems quite clear to me that the policy should be that such commands and advices are not done anymore." CreationDate="2013-10-30T10:04:12.957" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5065" PostId="1107" Score="0" Text="@quid:  You seem to be assuming that an expression of disapproval does no good unless it is the key event that changes someone's behavior.  This ignores the cumulative effect of multiple expressions of disapproval.  The more often a would-be cheater encounters such an expression, the more likely s/he is to reconsider his/her behavior.  Only one straw breaks the camel's back, but all of the other straws are necessary for it to do its job.  Also, consider that an expression of disapproval directed at one student might be read by others, and so have a broader effect than you're imagining." CreationDate="2013-10-30T20:51:32.147" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5069" PostId="1107" Score="3" Text="@StevenLandsburg I based my reply on *your* explication for who it is a service. But, for my opinion, all things considered I consider these expressions of disapproval as on the one hand pointless while on the other hand creating a hostile atmosphere. If somebody truly believes they have a relevant positive effect then I consider them as quite naive." CreationDate="2013-10-30T22:47:15.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="4996" PostId="1108" Score="6" Text="Small suggestions: one of &quot;looks like&quot; or &quot;is presented like&quot; should be sufficient. It would be clearer to write &quot;homework question, contest problem or exercise&quot; than use the slashes, because of the spaces." CreationDate="2013-10-29T15:48:32.503" UserId="21483" />
  <row Id="4998" PostId="1108" Score="0" Text="How about tightening it a little?  &quot;This forum focuses on professional research, not homework or contest problems or exercises.  Your question does not look like research. If it is, please provide (more) background and motivation, and resubmit for professional consideration.&quot;  Gerhard &quot;Better Than Saying 'Go Away'&quot; Paseman, 2013.10.29" CreationDate="2013-10-29T16:14:24.523" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5003" PostId="1108" Score="1" Text="@MattPressland yes, but, I did not mean the text as a verbatim template. If I were to actually use it, I would choose what seems fitting or still do something slightly different. The idea was more to convey the general pattern." CreationDate="2013-10-29T18:45:13.703" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5004" PostId="1108" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman IMO to say directly the question does not look like research is already more likely to cause hard feelings. The point often is *really* that it looks like homework and related in some &quot;formal&quot; way. And, sometimes users react based on this appearance-heuristic, without detailed consideration of the content. (Some have strong feelings against doing this. I do not see that much problem there, *but* I think it should be comunicated that this is what happened).  Also the word &quot;resubmit&quot; seems unfortunate as it seems to suggest to ask *another* question, which is not what we want." CreationDate="2013-10-29T18:52:04.733" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5005" PostId="1108" Score="3" Text="Also personally I would not write &quot;professional consideration&quot; but this is a matter of style. And, I, for one, am anyway rather against actual templates. My point was more to suggest the pattern of leaving open the possibility it actually is an accapteable question if something happpens. And, one can be rather generous in the usage of this; even if it is really really unlikely, nothing much is lost, the true homework-askers often anyway do not follow up in any way." CreationDate="2013-10-29T18:55:40.280" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5007" PostId="1108" Score="2" Text="@quid I see - sorry. There has been lots of work on MSE on creating standardized comments, so that's what I was expecting..." CreationDate="2013-10-29T19:16:12.137" UserId="21483" />
  <row Id="4999" PostId="1109" Score="0" Text="I intended to have just the link address display, not &quot;Tsk @Gerry Do your own homework&quot;.  Does someone know how to escape so that the http address itself appears instead of the title reference?  Gerhard &quot;Prefers More Direct Redirection Forms&quot; Paseman, 2013.10.29" CreationDate="2013-10-29T16:40:21.983" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5000" PostId="1109" Score="6" Text="I downvote this as I do not consider it a good suggestion. While I think it is a good idea to have dicussion of community standards *and* deviations of them, the proposal of some quasi institutionalized tsk-ing here strikes me as something that will create quite a bit of noise and annoyance for very little benefit in return. Especially what is the point of the 'tsk'? If somebody feels like calling somebody out on something they can do so. It might or might not be helpful for the situation at hand. They can also (typically better, IMO) say something nicer to OP instead. (cont.)" CreationDate="2013-10-29T18:29:46.030" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5001" PostId="1109" Score="0" Text="(cont.) And, the discussion of the deviation from some norms (in non-extreme ways) is IMO better done somewhat abstract or at least with some distance from the actual event,  else one runs the risk to have the comment thread under that poor new users question 'explode' leaving them with a still much worse experience, IMO. Alos, if you notice some regular contstantly doing something you disapprove of you might raise the issue with the moderators. Depending on ones personality it can be (a lot) easier to change ones behavior after a private note than after public discussion over it." CreationDate="2013-10-29T18:35:38.383" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5002" PostId="1109" Score="0" Text="The point is to abbreviate/reduce the chatter on the commentary in the questions.  There may be a point to keep comments regarding normative behaviour with the offending comments, but that will also introduce noise.  If you want to moderate community behaviour, is it better to do so and keep a public record of it, or not?  The convention above assumes only temporary gentle reminders are needed; if so, the reminders can be removed and little trace remains, or can be kept with a smaller footprint.  Gerhard &quot;Feel Free To Suggest Alternatives&quot; Paseman, 2013.10.29" CreationDate="2013-10-29T18:36:35.850" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5006" PostId="1109" Score="0" Text="My issue is not with the public trace, but rather with the annoyance in the very moment, which actually could lead to a rather harmless incident getting blown-up. And, a specific issue is that personally I really really dislike the idea of this 'tsk' or anything like that. To me this has some elementary school touch to it that alread then I really disliked." CreationDate="2013-10-29T19:10:11.247" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5008" PostId="1109" Score="0" Text="Indeed, there is that risk, if this were applied generally.  This is why I put this conditional on there being a consensus of what is SPECIFIC proper behaviour/misbehaviour.  I could extend this to tsking you on your wordiness, and you tsking me on signatures and levity: I do not want to go there.  If it is agreed however that &quot;Do your homework&quot; comments are discouraged by the community, this serves (hopefully) as a temporary gentle reminder, as it is linked to the meta question that discusses the issue and consensus.  Gerhard &quot;Better Suggestions Are Still Welcome&quot; Paseman, 2013.10.29" CreationDate="2013-10-29T19:19:30.563" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5009" PostId="1109" Score="0" Text="Two features I like about this system are: the comment under the question is essentially Tsk, name, link, and nothing else, which reduces some visibility on main, and the alternative on meta , Tsk, name, link to offending comment, brief additional comment on how to fix.  It could blow up, but it could also be used successfully and briefly, so there should be rules for using this convention to avoid the troubles that you point out.  Gerhard &quot;Or We Always Stay Nice&quot; Paseman, 2013.10.29" CreationDate="2013-10-29T19:28:14.330" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5010" PostId="1109" Score="8" Text="I still do not understand the need for all this. If we find such a consensus, and somebody deviates from it, then, yeah, anybody can (if they feel like it) remind anybody. And then if we have rules for tsk-ing and somebody does not follow *these* rules we need some tsk-ing for the bad tsk-ing... Sorry, to me this is too reminiscent of Jasper 'Talking out of turn...that's a paddling. Looking out the window...that's a paddling. Staring at my sandals...that's a paddling.  Paddling the school canoe...ooh, you better believe that's a paddling '" CreationDate="2013-10-29T19:45:58.733" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5020" PostId="1110" Score="29" Text="You could place a bounty on the question." CreationDate="2013-10-30T00:33:10.447" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="5023" PostId="1110" Score="4" Text="I'll just mention that bounty not only adds the question to the featured tab, but it also [bumps the question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/48578/what-can-cause-my-question-to-be-bumped)." CreationDate="2013-10-30T06:57:38.270" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5022" PostId="1111" Score="8" Text="I think a bounty is more appropriate in these cases than an edit. And in the bounty comment the user who is interested in further answers can explain the reason for the bounty." CreationDate="2013-10-30T03:39:38.357" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5026" PostId="1111" Score="4" Text="This is tangential but &quot;The system already does this by itself but the algorithm is imperfect&quot; seems an unfortunate formulation to me in particular given the fact that there is quite a bit of confusion around what bumps the comunity user does. In any case the community user would **never** bump any question with answers with positive score (and I think it is even more restrictive than just that); now one could consider this as an imperfection of the algorithm but rather I would say it is designed for something quite different." CreationDate="2013-10-30T10:26:39.483" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5042" PostId="1111" Score="3" Text="I disagree a bit about re-asking. The OP says the question has many views and several highly voted answers none of which completely answer it. I imagine that many would notice the question on the front page, realize it was bumped by an edit rather than a new answer, consider it already answered, and not bother. But if he asks a new question, linking to the old one and pointing out that the answers there show x and y but not z, then people might take a crack at it. Am I completely off base here? Note also that the software won't bump this question if it has an answer with 2 or more votes" CreationDate="2013-10-30T13:11:17.957" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="5043" PostId="1111" Score="2" Text="@DavidWhite: The new question would get closed as a duplicate, unless it is clearly different from the original (as I recommended)." CreationDate="2013-10-30T13:14:49.730" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5044" PostId="1111" Score="0" Text="@quid: The bumping algorithm used to be better tuned for that but I think it changed after the new bounty system. Unfortunately, the new bounty system hasn't addressed all the issues we had with bounties." CreationDate="2013-10-30T13:18:46.167" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5045" PostId="1111" Score="1" Text="I for one would not vote to close a new question which clearly stated it was part of a previous question but was never answered. Especially with motivation from research, which the OP seems to have. Sometimes one question contains too many parts and they don't all get answered. Regarding bounties, if there were no new answers, wouldn't it just go to one of the current (incomplete) answers?" CreationDate="2013-10-30T13:31:17.697" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="5056" PostId="1111" Score="0" Text="@DavidWhite: Unfortunately, votes to reopen don't count until the question is closed. However, asking just part of a question seems like a substantial change to me. In that case, I recommend editing the original question to redirect that part to the new question." CreationDate="2013-10-30T15:46:07.933" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5071" PostId="1111" Score="1" Text="@DavidWhite according to the documention, no, it would not be awarded at all (automatically) as there it is mentioned only question created after the bounty was started are eligible. (However this was also said like this on MO 1.0 while it wasn't like this, so I don't know what would happen in practice.) For convenience &quot;If you do not award your bounty within 7 days (plus the grace period), the highest voted answer created after the bounty started with a minimum score of 2 will be awarded half the bounty amount. If there's no answer meeting those criteria, the bounty is not awarded to anyone.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-30T22:56:23.907" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5072" PostId="1111" Score="1" Text="On the bumping: All the time I followed this, which is quite a bit before the change of the bounty system, the only questions I ever saw getting  bumpred are those that are in 'unanswered' while having an answer, ie, have  answer(s) but none with positve score. And the [following SO FAQ](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/48578/what-can-cause-my-question-to-be-bumped) at least *only* says that  *unanswered* questions will be bumped." CreationDate="2013-10-30T23:03:17.657" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5025" PostId="1112" Score="2" Text="I summarized the bounty advice given in various comments. In my opinion it really deserves to be also mentioned in an answer as this seems like *the* use case for new bounty system." CreationDate="2013-10-30T10:19:52.400" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5032" PostId="1112" Score="1" Text="Apart from the above, as far as I recall, the question will even be bumped a few times during the active bounty (I don't recall the frequency of this)." CreationDate="2013-10-30T11:57:05.757" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5046" PostId="1112" Score="0" Text="I agree that trivial edits wouldn't help here. A good edit would say EDIT (10/30/13): the current answers still leave open ........, which I am very interested in knowing because........ I still think asking a new question has a better chance of getting answers, though." CreationDate="2013-10-30T13:32:24.877" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="9521" PostId="1112" Score="0" Text="What happens if I set a bounty on an old question that is already marked as &quot;answered&quot;? Not knowing this meta discussion, I reasked a question that already appeared in an [old question.](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/191116/joyals-letter-to-grothendieck/191123#191123) The main question in that old MO post had been answered and so it was marked as &quot;answered&quot;. Would putting a bounty on it have worked?" CreationDate="2014-12-22T09:38:32.120" UserId="62434" />
  <row Id="9522" PostId="1112" Score="0" Text="@HeleneSigloch I couldn't think of anything that would be particularly different. (There might be a detail in case of auto-awarding in case you are the original poster, but even this is not clear.) Technically it would have worked, that's for sure, to place a bounty on somebodies else alray answered question. See [an older answered question with an active bounty](http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/998333/finding-the-all-roots-of-a-polynomial-by-using-newton-raphson-method) Note this is on another site but using the same software." CreationDate="2014-12-22T10:12:46.547" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5027" PostId="1113" Score="68" Text="So, looking at 1, an anonymous user told you something quite useful and thus you want to ban them...?!" CreationDate="2013-10-30T10:51:33.227" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5028" PostId="1113" Score="25" Text="I agree that there are very good merits to recommending people that they use their real names. But to outright forbid anonymous names sounds ridiculous. If @quid would have used the name John Derbysmith, could you immediately tell he is anonymous? What if he would have used &quot;Asaf Karagila&quot;? Can you verify he is misusing *my* name? I do agree that it might be reasonable to require moderators to use their real names (or at least have them on the profile)." CreationDate="2013-10-30T11:32:08.730" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5029" PostId="1113" Score="1" Text="@Quid: your remark illustrates point 2 quite nicely. Thanks! The person in question is a professional mathematician and if anonymity had not been a choice, I believe he would have joined anyway." CreationDate="2013-10-30T11:50:22.483" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5030" PostId="1113" Score="2" Text="@Asaf: I should have defined an anonymous user as one with no link to his professional website." CreationDate="2013-10-30T11:51:40.070" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5031" PostId="1113" Score="5" Text="@alvarezpaiva if this is like this, simply asked them to change their displayname or provide that link. If they are not willing to do this, maybe your believe is not that sound. Also why does it illustrate 2? What seems to happen in my opinion is that you seem somehow annoyed by this situation in 1. and thus you start a debate on the matter." CreationDate="2013-10-30T11:55:55.060" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5038" PostId="1113" Score="11" Text="@Quid: I meant 3, sorry about that. Anonymity encourages a lot of &quot;smart-aleking&quot;. Actually, I'm more worried about the good people leaving. My impression is that I meet them less often than a I did a year ago and I know other people who also have this impression. In the words of one of them &quot;MO is the victim of its own success&quot;. I think MO is really a great tool, and it would be a pity to see it disappear or turn into something useless. But perhaps someone will start a more ArXiv-like site. The experiment would settle our discussion." CreationDate="2013-10-30T12:38:54.750" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5039" PostId="1113" Score="3" Text="Okay, (at least abstractly) this makes more sense. Though I am pretty sure I'd say same thing under my realname and various people around here would have said comparable things. Also your intitial reply to it perhaps is in the same category ;-)  Actually, I think in some ways I am nicer on this site than I would be if under my realname." CreationDate="2013-10-30T13:00:09.137" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5040" PostId="1113" Score="0" Text="The experiment would not really settle the dicussion, since you are still not quite clear what you actually propose. The distinction you stress *now* is one I would describe as 'open to all' vs 'restricted'  (not 'allowing anon' vs real-names). As said one could allow essentially anon contrib to a restricted site too (after some confidential signup). And also various of the lesser question that get asked, and often those leading to more controversy, do get asked by people under thir realname. The copied HW by userxyz is closed quickly and not that much of an issue in the end." CreationDate="2013-10-30T13:03:29.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5041" PostId="1113" Score="4" Text="@alvarezpaiva, re 1: did you ask the pseudonymous user for how (and if) to acknowledge them in your paper? For example, it could be that the user prefers to be pseudonymous on MO, but might agree to seeing their real name in the acknowledgements of a paper." CreationDate="2013-10-30T13:07:59.650" UserId="27013" />
  <row Id="5049" PostId="1113" Score="3" Text="@TobiasFritz: Of course, I asked. Note that if no email address or professional website is furnished then the only thing you can do to contact the colleague in question is to write a comment. I don't always read all comments that people leave: it really depends on how busy I am at the moment. Unfortunately, I numbered this point first, but it is not the main point: I can always write in the paper &quot;this proof was worked out in a conversation around the MO question \http.etc.etc.&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-30T14:28:26.500" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5054" PostId="1113" Score="12" Text="Often, our users feel offended when their questions are closed.  That feeling of offense may be increased if those voting to close have names like &quot;Superman&quot; and &quot;Albert Einstein&quot;..." CreationDate="2013-10-30T15:32:33.253" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="5073" PostId="1113" Score="3" Text="@GeraldEdgar it may be (without any irony) for some, and we had this discussion long ago (on the initiative of Gil Kalai). But it also may be for some others that they have a particular problem if somebody they know (at least by name) and perhaps respect closes their question. Or it may be they have a particular problem if a student closes their question.  Or still something else. In any case if somebody has such a problem their question is close by an anon they might consider to introspect why this is the case and perhaps the outcome could be interesting." CreationDate="2013-10-30T23:07:23.567" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5167" PostId="1113" Score="3" Text="If it had not been for @quid, I would be a weaker Scrabble player (&quot;A wad of something chewable as tobacco&quot;)." CreationDate="2013-11-03T01:51:39.057" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5310" PostId="1113" Score="6" Text="I don't agree that you have to write &quot;the proof of this lemma was worked out in an MO conversation with Bullwinkle101&quot;. If the user has chosen not to use their real name, I am not convinced you are obligated to give them a call-out via the pseudonym. You could instead simply write &quot;in a conversation on MathOverflow.net&quot;, while also seeing whether you can contact them to obtain their professional name." CreationDate="2013-11-12T16:43:00.840" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="5315" PostId="1113" Score="1" Text="@CarlMummert. Yes, that's what I said in the comments. This question is already impossible to follow due to their lengths." CreationDate="2013-11-12T18:12:57.787" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5033" PostId="1114" Score="1" Text="First, let us distinguish anonymity from using your real name as login name. Probably we disagree on the cost of not having anonymous users. I myself cannot see the advantage of being an anonymous user, but I would be interested in hearing your point of view. Why are are you an anonymous user and why would you not consider making use of MO under the condition of giving your real name ? Some points of yours I agree with (too much math is indeed based on name-recognition), so perhaps I'm missing some key argument in the advantanges of anonymity." CreationDate="2013-10-30T12:07:47.233" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5034" PostId="1114" Score="1" Text="Agreed we can take 'anonymous' to mean 'not providing identifying information on the userpage'." CreationDate="2013-10-30T12:30:43.127" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5035" PostId="1114" Score="13" Text="There are many reasons for preferring to be anon. A strong one is this from the FAQs: 'We also encourage you to use your real name as your username. In your own enlightened self-interest, realise that participating in blogs, MathOverflow, the arXiv, and mathematical publishing are all forms of advertising for your &quot;brand&quot;, [...]' Somebody might believe this and assume I am here to advertise my &quot;brand&quot; this is a deeply unsettling idea. This likley depends on culture and personality but to me to tell an academic that they do something to advertise their &quot;brand&quot; is about one of the worst insults." CreationDate="2013-10-30T12:30:58.720" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5036" PostId="1114" Score="4" Text="A more practical one is that I do want to keep MO separate from my the rest of my (work) life. I really have no interest in one more additional 'professional' thing to do. Well I am here a lot, *but* I can turn the site off completely at any moment, and *thus* it is a nice and useful distratcion but not an additional commitment. If I just do not visit it, it is gone completly. If I were to use it under my real name, and might get emails about it to my regular address and so on this would stop being the case." CreationDate="2013-10-30T12:34:26.787" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5037" PostId="1114" Score="0" Text="There are several others, but as just yesterday somebody complained about my wordiness I will leave it at these two for the moment." CreationDate="2013-10-30T12:38:09.887" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5053" PostId="1114" Score="2" Text="The brand idea is indeed a bit unsettling and is a good point I had not thought about. However, if you count publication as selling a brand instead of just plain work, then everything we do is brand advertisement.  BTW, I don't think you'll get many messages from MO users. I've gotten two so far in over a year and the whole system priviledges interaction within MO (there are no points for neat messages). Thanks for your input, I see things are a lot more compex than I had thought at the beginning." CreationDate="2013-10-30T15:27:15.057" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5076" PostId="1114" Score="0" Text="@alvarezpaiva you are welcome. For the brand, yes one could frame it like this and this is somehow the idea of the text, but then I'd also not publish in a journal that puts on display that I better publish in this journal to advertise my brand or otherwise makes a big deal about publishing there is a really good idea for purpose of me promoting myself." CreationDate="2013-10-30T23:43:12.607" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5078" PostId="1114" Score="0" Text="For the emails, admittedly this is mainly a psychological thing not that I expect to get tons of emails. (Though  I think, unfortunately, I got somehow pretty visible on this site, so it is not so clear. If you had the experince that somebody asks a question on *main* for the sole purpose of complaining about your close votes and inquiring about you, getting a couple of upvotes, you might start asking yourself what else such users might do.)" CreationDate="2013-10-30T23:50:09.737" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5138" PostId="1114" Score="1" Text="@quid:  I guess that all the number theorists who view MO regularly know your real name and that I could also easily find out if I cared to." CreationDate="2013-11-02T14:57:54.147" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5139" PostId="1114" Score="3" Text="I welcome the emails I have gotten from my MO participation. One led to a joint paper and another pointed to some interesting papers and background. Others have questions that I could easily answer and the asker appreciated the information. None have been outright spam." CreationDate="2013-11-02T15:01:49.840" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5145" PostId="1114" Score="3" Text="@BillJohnson:  I'm a number theorist who views MO regularly and I don't know who quid is.  It has been a source of speculation among some number theorists I know, but I don't think anyone had a good idea -- it's a big world!  Also, this was just idle curiosity, and most of the number theorists I know were happy to respect quid's privacy." CreationDate="2013-11-02T15:21:07.333" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="5149" PostId="1114" Score="3" Text="Quid, in the three years I participate on MO I got perhaps 3-5 emails regarding it (which were welcome). I also turn off (or almost so) from MO for a few months. So I don't think these are strong reasons to be anonymous, but as I said I regard choosing anonimity as ok." CreationDate="2013-11-02T18:58:46.040" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5152" PostId="1114" Score="1" Text="For the emails and related, thanks to everybody for the infos, but on the one hand as I admitted likely this is mainly psychological. But, somehow I find it a lot more fun to write an MO answer than, say, write a review for MathSciNet, though it sometimes not that different (for certain questions). I do feel that my pseudonymity plays a role here for me.  On the other hand, it is known that some users had some problems with unwanted emails, some minor some a bit more major (or at least that was my impression from what transpired to meta)." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:18:52.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5153" PostId="1114" Score="2" Text="For some perhaps knowing (or at least having a good guess or being able to get one if they cared) who I am: yes I am not blind to this. And, I haven't much problem with somebody that follows my activity on this site in some detail being able to infer something about me. But, an idea I do not like so much, closely along the lines of what Niemi answered, is that it is somehow generally known and thus all over, and on each and every text-snippet that somebody might see. Since taken somehow out of context and in written form, things can come across very differently than intended." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:44:46.030" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5250" PostId="1114" Score="2" Text="@Quid: when you talked about brand name I thought you were exagerating, but recently I had an experience that made me really think about it: a series of Spanish math books was republished in French, the names of the authors does not appear in the cover of the books (front nor back), where it is nevertheless mentioned that this series was &quot;selected&quot; by a Fields medalist. Since I was a bit shocked I tried to find out: I was told by a reliable source that the Fields medalist objected, but the publisher would not hear of it." CreationDate="2013-11-06T15:39:15.203" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5050" PostId="1115" Score="3" Text="Your second point is IMO a reason to require identity disclosure." CreationDate="2013-10-30T14:30:25.270" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5051" PostId="1115" Score="8" Text="These days I pretty much ignore posts by userxxxxx." CreationDate="2013-10-30T14:33:28.540" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5052" PostId="1115" Score="1" Text="Thanks Lucia. This sheds some light on the matter." CreationDate="2013-10-30T14:36:17.817" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5075" PostId="1115" Score="2" Text="@BillJohnson this might be different in different tags and for different people, but Lucia and I share the same 'main' tag (nt.number-theory) and this second point is something I feel too. I cannot know if we mean the same thing, but for me this is really not mainly about userxxxxx and also not about homework or alike. If only they would ask a decent homework question, but no, all kinds of people share some conjecture, speculation, idle courosity presented *without having appropriate background*. It's fun and it's annoying, it depends how one approaches the thing." CreationDate="2013-10-30T23:26:53.513" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5164" PostId="1115" Score="5" Text="I just saw this. I was searching the web yesterday for a mathematician called Lucia something that could be you... Very convincing answer, by the way. At my beginnings on this site, I opted for a semi-anonymity by giving just my first name, for reasons close to your first reason. Only one year after I put (a link to) my full name." CreationDate="2013-11-02T23:59:50.780" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5327" PostId="1115" Score="5" Text="By the way -- I don't think that Lucia is an &quot;obviously female name&quot;.&#xA;-- On Zentralblatt MATH one finds the following presumably&#xA;male mathematicians who have Lucia as their last name:&#xA;Alfredo C. Lucia, Angelo Lucia, David J. Lucia, Julio J. Lucia,&#xA;Marcello Lucia, Umberto Lucia." CreationDate="2013-11-13T17:51:10.993" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5334" PostId="1115" Score="4" Text="See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_(name)" CreationDate="2013-11-14T00:17:54.777" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="5057" PostId="1117" Score="0" Text="No, I'm really not for verification and all that and the post is not really about what people should do, but about finding out what they think and whether they have thought on the cost and advantages of anonymity. BTW, I have to admit that browsing at the GM  section of ArXiv brings a smile every time." CreationDate="2013-10-30T15:54:53.363" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5058" PostId="1117" Score="10" Text="If I have a real suggestion it would be to allow the posting of questions only to those how have 20 or more points. That would probably get rid of the a large proportion of nonsense questions." CreationDate="2013-10-30T15:56:44.233" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5062" PostId="1117" Score="4" Text="I like the suggestion on questions -- certainly bad questions seem to be much more of a problem than bad answers." CreationDate="2013-10-30T19:09:52.903" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="5064" PostId="1117" Score="2" Text="I served with Ken Souza. I knew Ken Souza. Ken Souza was a friend of mine. fedja, you're no Ken Souza.&#xA;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFujxTVbTzY" CreationDate="2013-10-30T20:21:36.723" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="5070" PostId="1117" Score="0" Text="Note: I am hoping that there is not a real Ken Souza whom I have now indicated is dead." CreationDate="2013-10-30T22:56:22.983" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="5074" PostId="1117" Score="2" Text="@alvarezpaiva this was suggested some time ago already. And an issue I see is that it might block legitimate use. While I obviously did not start out this way, a quite likely way in my mind to start actively using MO is to at some point have a question and think 'hey, why not give it a try on that MO site I heard about/I sometimes read' And if you then let people jump through  too many loops they just will not ask it." CreationDate="2013-10-30T23:13:13.817" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5080" PostId="1117" Score="2" Text="@Will Jagy &quot; I am hoping that there is not a real Ken Souza whom I have now indicated is dead&quot; It's Halloween, remember, so I would not be that sure this time of year :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-31T03:24:06.203" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="5055" PostId="1118" Score="7" Text="Thanks for the info Todd. The truth is that I was rather mystified by the choice of anonymity. I use MO as people use coffee hour or tea time at a math department: to get my head out of the office and share some of the things that puzzle me hoping that by just having to express my doubts, they will become clearer. Communicating with anonymous colleagues is then a bit awkward. Last time I talked to someone with a mask I was 7 and he was dressed as Mickey Mouse ;-) But now I see there's some point to it." CreationDate="2013-10-30T15:35:31.210" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="25439" PostId="1118" Score="3" Text="@alvarezpaiva: *Last time I talked to someone with a mask I was 7 and he was dressed as Mickey Mouse* --- My guess is this is no longer true! :)" CreationDate="2021-04-04T16:21:52.270" UserId="15780" />
  <row Id="25458" PostId="1118" Score="2" Text="@DaveLRenfro, I had completely forgotten I had written that. It sounds hilarious now." CreationDate="2021-04-05T15:15:23.227" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="26500" PostId="1118" Score="0" Text="The two links to tea do not work ATM - so here are some links to Wayback Machine instead: [335](https://web.archive.org/web/20151030113041/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/335/1/why-not-real-names/) and [985](https://web.archive.org/web/20151030104639/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/985/). See also: [Tea archive (mathoverflow.tqft.net) seems to be down](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4438)." CreationDate="2021-10-23T21:24:38.180" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5090" PostId="1120" Score="5" Text="@Scott Morrison: In view of ABC's first comment to quid's answer below, I wonder whether this really is 'status-bydesign'. And if so, this situation reveals a bug (or at least inconsistency) in the documentation, and may also merit a 'feature-request', perhaps in a new question." CreationDate="2013-10-31T22:01:31.397" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5093" PostId="1120" Score="3" Text="@RicardoAndrade, good point. I think a new question is appropriate, clearly explaining that how bounties interact with the association bonus and protection." CreationDate="2013-10-31T22:28:34.660" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15124" PostId="1120" Score="1" Text="Some related posts on meta.SE: meta.SE: [Why is the Association Bonus ignored when trying to answer a protected question?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/170937) and [Improve “Protected Question” message with regard to rep gained through Association Bonus](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/210481). And this one is related specifically to bounties: [Stack Exchange doesn't allow me to answer protected questions because I gave away earned rep in bounties](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/231498)." CreationDate="2017-10-23T14:43:42.207" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5079" PostId="1121" Score="12" Text="Oh, but that is strange. I have earned, in MathOverflow, more than 400 reputation, since I gave 400 away in a bounty. I guess the formula just subtracts 100 always. Is that the case?" CreationDate="2013-10-31T02:44:48.543" UserId="5506" />
  <row Id="5082" PostId="1121" Score="2" Text="I agree, this is not in the spirit why this exists. It should protect from new users." CreationDate="2013-10-31T12:23:48.860" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="5085" PostId="1121" Score="1" Text="This reminds me of [this scene](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWsP71Odht4&amp;t=11m1s) of the Golden Antelope. What if the 100 bonus were among the 400 I gave away, and I only kept points that I earned?" CreationDate="2013-10-31T15:48:01.057" UserId="5506" />
  <row Id="5099" PostId="1121" Score="1" Text="@ABC sorry I hadn't checked your account in detail and did not notice this. I only checked the meta user to see if you have activity elsewhere and thus the bonus. I *assume* it is as you say, if one has received the association bonus then one effectively needs 110, but I don't know for a fact. Alos I don't know if this is really intended like this, known to be strange but kept for convenience, or not yet known. In any case I agree it is strange and a bit against the idea of protection. I will update the answer to be cleare later. But likely one should pursue this matter further." CreationDate="2013-10-31T23:43:05.563" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5101" PostId="1121" Score="1" Text="One *could* argue the bounty documentation says &quot;Slice off anywhere from +50 to +500 of your own hard-earned reputation, [...]&quot; *therefore* bounty-points are points one earned and *therefore* not the bonus making this consistent. This is a big stretch of course and more meant as a joke. Also there would be the issue what happens if one gave away points via downvoting (not getting downvoted!) It is quite possible ABC's situation shows that these points will be discarded for the protection issue too [there are a couple dv but I think I cannot tell if they costed points]." CreationDate="2013-10-31T23:58:29.547" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5156" PostId="1121" Score="0" Text="I updated the answer in view of comments, but I also intend (if nobody does before) to pursue this matter further in the nearer future (as suggested in comments on OP)." CreationDate="2013-11-02T23:02:20.240" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="26476" PostId="1121" Score="0" Text="A related post on [meta.se]: [Stack Exchange doesn't allow me to answer protected questions because I gave away earned rep in bounties](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/231498)," CreationDate="2021-10-06T10:45:41.827" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5097" PostId="1122" Score="11" Text="(Lots of stuff redacted, very much in keeping with the spirit of the post. :-) But my final summary statement was:) The rule of thumb might be: delete your own comment if you yourself judge it is no longer useful, and don't worry about the rest." CreationDate="2013-10-31T23:12:27.133" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5083" PostId="1123" Score="16" Text="François, what about the case where someone makes a clarifying comment to fix an issue in the post, and the OP then makes that fix. In this case, I often delete my comment, since the issue was resolved, and it would be confusing to have that objection still in the comments, when it no longer applies." CreationDate="2013-10-31T15:10:31.147" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5084" PostId="1123" Score="3" Text="It depends on the nature of the fix and the degree of desire for historical accuracy.  Many might say &quot;stop living in the past; just keep what is new&quot;, whereas noting the process of evolution of ideas is important to some, especially noting why a change was made.  If the comment and name of commenter are effectively transcribed into the question, then I see that there is less of a point in keeping the comment around.  Gerhard &quot;Some Small Things Are Important&quot; Paseman, 2013.10.31" CreationDate="2013-10-31T15:34:19.263" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5086" PostId="1123" Score="3" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: I don't think such comments are confusing but they could be considered useless, especially if the resulting edit is self-explanatory. It's up to the user to judge whether they are removing a relevant piece of information or not." CreationDate="2013-10-31T16:01:55.403" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5087" PostId="1123" Score="5" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Preserving errors (perhaps some and not all) is useful and not necessarily confusing. Errors are also useful information. Sometimes, errors turn out not to be errors after all, or they are also the error of the next reader, who can be then warned by the comment. This is why I don't use pencil and I don't erase. I only cross over in a way that I can still read the error. Of course, common sense, some comments the writer can see is not relevant to preserve." CreationDate="2013-10-31T16:02:00.193" UserId="5506" />
  <row Id="5261" PostId="1123" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins I agree.  But often both the comment and the next by the author saying &quot;sorry - corrected&quot; would need to be deleted." CreationDate="2013-11-07T09:54:30.340" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="5111" PostId="1124" Score="24" Text="Continued attention to cordiality should remain a high priority, to maintain that &quot;good collegial academic atmosphere.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-01T23:39:54.420" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5104" PostId="1125" Score="16" Text="It depends on the question!" CreationDate="2013-11-01T18:27:39.977" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="5105" PostId="1125" Score="0" Text="Was concerned that maybe seen as asking allow level question, but perhaps can take a chance." CreationDate="2013-11-01T18:46:37.030" UserId="42201" />
  <row Id="5106" PostId="1125" Score="5" Text="Hm? My point is that to be able to tell if the question is on-topic here or not you should tell us what the question is. How else can we tell?" CreationDate="2013-11-01T18:52:14.440" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="5109" PostId="1125" Score="5" Text="Well, it's good that you ask, because it seems as if a lot of people suppose that if a question hasn't been answered at MSE, then it's time to ask it at MO. In many cases that's just not so, and I wish that more people would look around MO a little first, to get a sense of the place and see if MO would be a good fit for their questions before they ask." CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:54:46.753" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5112" PostId="1125" Score="0" Text="@mariano:i agree , I should have given a link to the question." CreationDate="2013-11-02T06:56:03.867" UserId="42201" />
  <row Id="5113" PostId="1125" Score="0" Text="@todd:some questions one does not get a satisfactory resolution; they continue to bother." CreationDate="2013-11-02T08:02:44.183" UserId="42201" />
  <row Id="5114" PostId="1125" Score="0" Text="Sudhir: I understand. Of course you're welcome to try at MO -- we'll take a look -- but receiving an insufficient answer at MSE is not by itself a sufficient reason for keeping it open at MO." CreationDate="2013-11-02T11:30:00.103" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5178" PostId="1125" Score="0" Text="@todd:thanks for that though I want to think carefully in the light of Andy's answer.iam sill trying to figure out why ' if in propositional calculus only a contradiction can tautologically imply an infinite number of sentence symbols, then how do we postulate the existence of precisely such a sentence in FOL' is not a clear enough question.Anyway the question is on MSE and if I feel more sure or more confident, I will venture into MO." CreationDate="2013-11-03T10:13:15.600" UserId="42201" />
  <row Id="5107" PostId="1126" Score="0" Text="Oh well i jumped the gun. Let me see if I can delete the question." CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:10:02.653" UserId="42201" />
  <row Id="5108" PostId="1126" Score="0" Text="Well, managed to delete the question here, though an answer still eludes me.i may also sayI did not find the question of information content of a mathematical axiom discussed particularly in any text book that I have read." CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:28:08.857" UserId="42201" />
  <row Id="5116" PostId="1127" Score="3" Text="As for ideas on doing better, there are a number of good suggestions in this thread on helping to improve the quality of questions asked by new users http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1084/when-asking-a-question-on-mo-it-seems-theres-far-too-little-information-on-what" CreationDate="2013-11-02T12:26:19.097" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="5117" PostId="1128" Score="8" Text="Paul has asked me to reply. I hate these little comment boxes, and may request porting the discussion over to http://tea.mathoverflow.net/ which in my view carries some advantages over this set-up. Anyway, I think Mathematics StackExchange might better fit the bill for Paul's desiderata: there too mathematicians from a wide variety of areas congregate, and accept questions from basically all levels. (They close in case of spam or offensive posts, or duplicate posts, and there are some others.) The atmosphere there is markedly different from the one here: it's much more heavily (cont.)" CreationDate="2013-11-02T12:45:35.010" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5118" PostId="1128" Score="8" Text="trafficked, and it's *fast*: as soon as a question appears, a swarm of mathematicians comes in (often with essentially identical answers). It's actually a very nice site, but I think we're trying to establish a different sort of functionality here. Many mathematicians like it here for the stimulation of the relatively high level, and don't want to wade through a bunch of relatively elementary questions to pan for the nuggets of the good stuff. Indeed, attrition of the high-level mathematicians we seek to attract is a recurrent worry (especially since the merger with SE). While MO is (cont.)" CreationDate="2013-11-02T12:51:33.550" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5120" PostId="1128" Score="8" Text="still very much an ongoing experiment (and we welcome dissenting voices), I think &quot;we&quot; definitely don't want to go the unmoderated route of math.sci. So some careful oversight and moderation seems to be a good idea. Granted, it's a tricky balancing act, because we also want to attract good people from outside the old &quot;core areas&quot; as well, and we don't want to turn off the graduate students who are our future colleagues. Still, I disagree with Paul's suggestion that all but the outright obnoxious questions stay open (and recommend visiting MSE if that's what you think you want)." CreationDate="2013-11-02T12:56:11.437" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5125" PostId="1128" Score="2" Text="I hate the little comment boxes too, especially as they are the only way of answering questions that have been closed." CreationDate="2013-11-02T13:29:42.797" UserId="2733" />
  <row Id="5126" PostId="1128" Score="4" Text="I, and more particularly the people whom I want to see on the site with me, do not want to have to log in to numerous other websites (stack exchange, sci.math etc).  That defeats exactly the thing that I see as the value of this one. If there is a historical or philosophical question _about mathematics_ then I want to hear answers from mathematicians, not historians or philosophers." CreationDate="2013-11-02T13:43:33.167" UserId="2733" />
  <row Id="5127" PostId="1128" Score="0" Text="Closing questions does not even remove the noise, because they are still there with [closed] or [migrated] appended to them.  Nobody could possibly read all of the traffic on MathOverflow anyway: we rely on the headlines and tags to filter things.  Questions that are considered to be undergraduate or heretical ones could simply be assigned additional tags to say so." CreationDate="2013-11-02T13:44:11.107" UserId="2733" />
  <row Id="5142" PostId="1128" Score="2" Text="Hey Paul, do you mind if I repost your 'answer' here to http://tea.mathoverflow.net/ ? Comments can also be moved. (Yes, it is another site to log into, unfortunately -- and one does need to register and sign in -- but I think it's more or less instantaneous, and it's a damned sight (or 'damned site') better than these comment boxes; I think it would be easier to have a civilized discussion there." CreationDate="2013-11-02T15:11:27.400" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5146" PostId="1128" Score="3" Text="&quot;Tea&quot; looks like a boring list of admin quibbles, whereas the points that I have made above are relevant to the whole community. I have wanted to say this for a long time and this thread appeared to be the appropriate place to do so." CreationDate="2013-11-02T15:22:12.030" UserId="2733" />
  <row Id="5147" PostId="1128" Score="2" Text="Paul: you are completely mistaken about tea, I assure you. (Edited in many hours later: 'tea' is the new name for the old (MO.1) meta. There were discussions of all sorts of issues of interest to the community.) This thread would be totally appropriate there (and btw, this type of discussion has taken place there, more than once). Do you mind if I repost? You don't actually have to answer there yourself, of course." CreationDate="2013-11-02T15:25:06.137" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5148" PostId="1128" Score="14" Text="Paul, although I am sympathetic with your main point, I am put off by your remarks about logic. I understand that your philosophical disposition is often against logic, as traditionally understood, but how does it support your point here to insult the MO logic community? My perspective is that logic on MO is robust, including substantive questions from every part of the subject and its interaction with the rest of mathematics. We close the &quot;completely trivial&quot; questions, just as elsewhere in MO, and I answer questions only that I personally find interesting." CreationDate="2013-11-02T18:13:54.773" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5154" PostId="1128" Score="1" Text="Joel, whilst we may have different points of view about logic, _in this context_ I was merely observing the policy inconsistency that (to me) quite difficult questions in number theory etc are closed as being undergraduate ones, very easy questions in logic are left open and you (quite reasonably) answer them (and collect the points)." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:53:52.507" UserId="2733" />
  <row Id="5155" PostId="1128" Score="0" Text="At the moment the score for my posting is zero, but this is not through lack of votes: there are 6 positive and 6 negative ones." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:57:11.757" UserId="2733" />
  <row Id="5157" PostId="1128" Score="2" Text="While I do appreciate people with clear opinions not shy to voice them, I appreciate it even more if they are somewhat well-informed on the things they are talking about or at least acknowledge that this might not be the case. Some of the things you say seem factually and/or a bit strange, in detail (sorry for the strain of comments but since you seem to want to stay here and not go to &quot;tea&quot; this is hard to avoid):" CreationDate="2013-11-02T23:20:45.830" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5158" PostId="1128" Score="3" Text="re reopening and inviting outsiders: that you did not know this one dedicated thread is one thing, but if it escaped your attention that it is common that questions also get reopened *after discussion on meta* (this one or the old one now called 'tea') then I must say you did not pay much attention, IMO too little for discussing policy. (If you knew it is not clear what you complain about.) So, if you want something reopened start a disc on meta. If it gets reopened and not quickly reclosed you can be quite confident it stays and you then can invite people. This is a bit of work, but feasible." CreationDate="2013-11-02T23:24:54.397" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5159" PostId="1128" Score="3" Text="re Rhett Butler: the question of on-topicness of historical questions really has extremely little not to say nothing to do with them 'leaving' the site; you could start at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1592/trollery/ but really this is just the tip of an iceberg and various things got deleted and not everything is even documented. But don't worry  they or maybe their 'colleagues' already returned to the site in the iterim. Again, if you did not know this you know not really enough about the site, if you did but choose not to mention it this is a strange way of discussing." CreationDate="2013-11-02T23:37:57.060" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5160" PostId="1128" Score="1" Text="The data on closed questions (see http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/78395/most-closed-tags-in-stackoverflow-top-20) shows 134 closed questions in number theory, 59 in set theory and 57 in logic, but given that number theory has about three times as many questions, it seems the rate of closure is basically on a par between these subjects, but indeed a bit higher in set theory and logic than in number theory. The closure rate in category-theory, in contrast, is much lower (only 42, even though there are more questions in this tag than in logic or in set theory)." CreationDate="2013-11-02T23:42:06.923" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5163" PostId="1128" Score="2" Text="re removong the noise: the &quot;noise&quot; a question creates is not only (or even mainly) the question getting asked, each answer puts it *again* on top of the 'active' list; a closed/migrated question cannot get an answer thus c/m it  reduces noise even *locally.* In addition closing is a precondition to (community or auto) deletion, which happens, again reducing noise even locally.  In addition to the  main point being to set the standard for questions, avoiding the asking of some question in the first place, which also works to some extent (as said by some at least indirectly)." CreationDate="2013-11-02T23:51:42.043" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5165" PostId="1128" Score="3" Text="re scope and 'one site': if you search for a Q&amp;A site about mathematics that is more permissive you can got to http://math.stackexchange.com It is quite a good site I am sometimes there as are many other MO users. It is now even trivial to use both in parallel. If you should not like that site, or should like it less, why? re &quot; Nobody could possibly read all of the traffic on MathOverflow anyway:&quot; I did not read each and every *answer* (though a fair share) but I read the overwhelming majority of all questions during continued periods of time (though not now), it is really not even that much." CreationDate="2013-11-03T00:03:50.323" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5166" PostId="1128" Score="1" Text="But definitely tagging is important. You could contribute to this a bit, by the way." CreationDate="2013-11-03T00:09:03.087" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5192" PostId="1128" Score="7" Text="&quot; If you really feel you must name-call, do it on meta &quot; What? No, absolutely not! Neither here, nor there. If one is not to act professionally, better not to participate at all." CreationDate="2013-11-03T22:45:16.710" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="5194" PostId="1128" Score="6" Text="@AndresCaicedo Yes, you're right. I know Paul a little and I think I understand a little of where he is coming from and his sense of justice. While censoring posts might seem like an act of &quot;political suppression&quot;, it's really not; it's just that we have a policy of removing offensive posts. I trust Paul will understand and will in the future exercise his skills as a writer to get his points across without name-calling." CreationDate="2013-11-04T01:58:20.260" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5197" PostId="1128" Score="2" Text="That said, the examples Paul Taylor brings are good- I agree that none of these questions should have been closed. But I don't think they were bad questions to begin with! However, these are the exception and not the rule- the vast majority of questions that are closed really are poorly thought out, or are homework, or are just people posting in the wrong place." CreationDate="2013-11-04T05:38:04.190" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="5205" PostId="1128" Score="5" Text="+1 for expressing an interesting dissenting opinion, even if I disagree!" CreationDate="2013-11-04T22:20:42.010" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5207" PostId="1128" Score="4" Text="I would like to reiterate and emphasis the point made by quid: _there is already a site ([math.se]) that does not close question based on their level!_  MO being more selective is a good thing because it helps attract mathematicians (and there are quite a few of them) who do not want to go through hundreds of undergraduate textbook exercise level questions to find an interesting question. If you feel some particular question is interesting and should be reopned the way to go is to [suggest reopening on meta](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-votes)." CreationDate="2013-11-05T08:41:35.920" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5216" PostId="1128" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh Actually, I made all of those points." CreationDate="2013-11-05T21:16:08.667" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5217" PostId="1128" Score="2" Text="@Todd, this comment thread has become quite long, I guess by the time I reached the bottom I forgot that you first made these points. :)" CreationDate="2013-11-05T21:23:09.387" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5121" PostId="1129" Score="3" Text="I agree that the &quot;research-level&quot; mantra is somewhat overdone and somewhat misleading, especially when applied to questions that could come up in graduate school classrooms. (I think it's more understandable when applied to questions about grammar school mathematics)." CreationDate="2013-11-02T13:05:40.240" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5122" PostId="1129" Score="1" Text="For disagreements about close question, I though [this](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/223/30967) request for reopen votes is rather useful and efficient, from what I observed how it works on Math SE? Concerning the flooding and flowing down of questions, maybe trying to devise and agree on a system of additional filter tags to categorize and partition the questions into a higher order structure than tags could help?" CreationDate="2013-11-02T13:11:10.393" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="5123" PostId="1129" Score="2" Text="Dilaton: requests for reopens is semi-efficient IMO (it is indeed useful). Maybe people like Paul Taylor should be using it more?: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-votes As for the other question: I'm not quite sure what you have in mind, but it might be worth posting as a separate question." CreationDate="2013-11-02T13:21:04.727" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5129" PostId="1129" Score="0" Text="This looks rather a clumsy mechanism to me and does not answer my example of inviting outsiders to answer questions." CreationDate="2013-11-02T13:58:19.187" UserId="2733" />
  <row Id="5130" PostId="1129" Score="6" Text="@PaulTaylor (1) Please go right ahead and invite outsiders to answer questions! (BTW, I was a little sad that the question about Bourbaki and category theory was closed, although there were some issues people had with the formulation (arguably not deal-breakers, IMO). (2) I wish you would at least be willing to *try* the mechanism, rather than reject it out of hand." CreationDate="2013-11-02T14:24:51.230" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5131" PostId="1129" Score="5" Text="&quot;MO is coming close to justifying the second word in its name&quot; :-). So true! At the moment there are six [on hold] or [migrated] questions taking up space on the Active front page. It would help a bit if these were not shown." CreationDate="2013-11-02T14:27:16.080" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5132" PostId="1129" Score="0" Text="I have only just been told of this reopening mechanism and I will have forgotten the link by the next time I want it. If Andree Ehresmann had come here on my invitation to answer the Bourbaki/category question, how could she be expected to know about this obscure link?" CreationDate="2013-11-02T14:32:01.133" UserId="2733" />
  <row Id="5135" PostId="1129" Score="7" Text="@PaulTaylor if the community considers the reopen meta list important and usefull enough, it could be tagged with a red &quot;featured&quot; moderator tag, so it would then appear in the right side bar on the main page and people who usually do not visit meta could see it too from the main page. I guess this would make this reopen mechanism more efficient (for questions that deserve it) by being more visible if needed." CreationDate="2013-11-02T14:43:01.910" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="5143" PostId="1129" Score="4" Text="That's a *great* idea, Dilaton!" CreationDate="2013-11-02T15:13:27.943" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5191" PostId="1129" Score="0" Text="IMHO, the oblivion issue can be somewhat ameliorated by allowing tag-based email notifications, or tag-based views: e. g., I want to be notified of all &quot;symmetric-functions&quot; questions and all &quot;young-tableaux&quot; questions, and everything tagged both &quot;rt.representation-theory&quot; and &quot;ac.commutative-algebra&quot; I also want to see. At the moment I can just see the tagged questions as a list, but that's not very efficient." CreationDate="2013-11-03T17:58:35.917" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="5195" PostId="1129" Score="4" Text="With regard to the practice of completely closing questions versus migrating them (primarily to MSE): I am generally sympathetic to what fedja suggests, except that some questions are just so badly written that I'd feel guilty just dumping such trash on MSE, which is already overrun (I like fedja's &quot;overflown&quot;!). I really don't feel much remorse if the poster can't take some minimal care writing something coherent; consign it to the ashes." CreationDate="2013-11-04T03:34:13.450" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5196" PostId="1129" Score="0" Text="I am not enthusiastic about the migration option, because, as previously pointed out by Mark Sapir on another thread, it should require OP consent, given that the sites are entirely different. I think that, until the migration system is &quot;repaired&quot;, we should close instead of migrate, but giving more weight to people who want to see specific questions remain open." CreationDate="2013-11-04T05:32:01.037" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="5203" PostId="1129" Score="6" Text="@DanielMoskovich In the vast majority of cases, it seems posters who post those questions that MO rejects are not too fussy about the website, as they make absolutely no attempt to find out what MO is and if it's right for them; really they just want someone to answer the question. Abstractly I guess I see Mark's point, but in practice this is IMO way too fussy a procedure. The small number of people who object to having their question migrated to another site could just delete the question; heck, it's going to be closed anyway on MO. Usually migration is a favor and convenience; saves time." CreationDate="2013-11-04T14:47:21.230" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5137" PostId="1130" Score="6" Text="Are you equally careful when using email?  There is no security there, and not only in the transmission. If you work at a typical State university in the USA, all of your emails are subject to freedom of information inquiries." CreationDate="2013-11-02T14:53:19.860" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5140" PostId="1130" Score="4" Text="@Niemi: I can appreciate that too. Bill's comment underlines that we have little privacy to start with." CreationDate="2013-11-02T15:03:25.713" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5141" PostId="1130" Score="1" Text="And even if you don't work for a state institution, your work email is probably subject to any inquiry your employer chooses to make or cooperate with." CreationDate="2013-11-02T15:05:34.803" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="5144" PostId="1130" Score="51" Text="@Bill. What you point out is interesting (I do not work in the Sates, though), but I hope its not meant as a counterargument to what I said. Just because there is lack of privacy in one area does not mean that I willingly give it up everywhere." CreationDate="2013-11-02T15:16:31.413" UserId="8590" />
  <row Id="16743" PostId="1130" Score="2" Text="There's also a difference between &quot;not anonymous&quot; as in &quot;available to people who are specifically given the authority to view the content&quot; (as with (especially work) e-mails) and &quot;not anonymous&quot; as in &quot;available to everyone&quot; (as with posts on MO or the arXiv)." CreationDate="2018-07-18T12:33:51.533" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="5312" PostId="1131" Score="5" Text="Speaking of real-life support: I believe I take questions slightly more seriously when they are asked by something that looks like a real name, and slightly less when they are asked by an obvious pseudonym." CreationDate="2013-11-12T16:47:45.113" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="5169" PostId="1133" Score="1" Text="Aside: every Data Explorer query has a *fork query* button so that you can make changes to fit your needs." CreationDate="2013-11-03T03:37:58.637" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5170" PostId="1133" Score="0" Text="I suppose that way I could explore all manner of syntax error and mistaken programming methods while I'm waiting..." CreationDate="2013-11-03T03:47:13.453" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5208" PostId="1133" Score="0" Text="I guess you want something like http://stackapps.com/ for Data Explorer." CreationDate="2013-11-05T08:51:40.487" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5172" PostId="1135" Score="1" Text="Thank you; this works!  But I have a (much less critical) followup question:  After I expand the list of recently closed questions, and click on one of those questions to have a look at it, and then hit the back button on my browser --- the list is no longer expanded.  This is a minor annoyance, but still an annoyance.  Is there a way to get a list that I don't have to re-expand every time I look at a question?" CreationDate="2013-11-03T04:52:32.390" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5175" PostId="1135" Score="0" Text="That would be nice. There is no way that I'm aware of. I usually just open new tabs every time I click on something." CreationDate="2013-11-03T07:20:41.127" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="5176" PostId="1135" Score="1" Text="@StevenLandsburg, file a feature request, here or on meta.stackoverflow.com." CreationDate="2013-11-03T07:33:43.067" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5173" PostId="1137" Score="0" Text="There was a stackexchange restriction on the number of questions one could post in any 30-day period --- is that still in effect? The restriction was a lot less restrictive than one-per-week suggested in this answer." CreationDate="2013-11-03T05:18:17.167" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="5177" PostId="1137" Score="4" Text="@GerryMyerson on MSE it is 6 per day and 50 per month (as far as I recall). It is not enabled on most stackexchange sites, but can be enabled on request (though I don't think the numbers are negotiable). Personally, I don't see any reason to have such quotas on MO." CreationDate="2013-11-03T09:58:39.017" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5200" PostId="1137" Score="3" Text="A list of all rate limits on StackExchange sites can be found at http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/164899/the-complete-rate-limiting-guide -- though I don't know which of these apply to MO as well." CreationDate="2013-11-04T09:36:37.237" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5209" PostId="1137" Score="1" Text="There are certain types of questions that can become annoying/problematic if they are posted with high frequency, but I think it is better to have such situations handled manually by the community than hard-coded some rule into the software (I don't know if that is possible, even experienced users face false positives with the limited existing simple restrictions)." CreationDate="2013-11-05T09:02:04.380" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5210" PostId="1137" Score="2" Text="Also I don't think such cases are frequent enough to require a rule and it seems to me that the request is mainly to provide a justification for the user to post similar type of questions that he was posting (and I think hey did become annoying after the first few)." CreationDate="2013-11-05T09:09:29.680" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5182" PostId="1138" Score="0" Text="Thank you for this answer. I had suspected that this might be the recommended practice, but I don't think that this mechanism provides the desired functionality, so I'll let my feature-request stand. If I should want to make a technical comment on someone's query, it would seem absurd for me to make a post on meta.SO in the hope that they see it there. Why not just allow comments directly on the Data Explorer?" CreationDate="2013-11-03T13:07:07.057" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5186" PostId="1138" Score="0" Text="Not exactly the same, but similar feature request at meta.SO: [Can we have a feature to allow commenting on Data Explorer queries?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/87531/can-we-have-a-feature-to-allow-commenting-on-data-explorer-queries)" CreationDate="2013-11-03T15:25:39.470" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5201" PostId="1138" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Perhaps one possibility would be to ping the creator of the query on some site where he is active to attract him to the post on SO or to discussion on chat. However, it might not be always easy to find the creator of the query. I have posted this on meta.SO, we will see whether there will be some reasonable suggestions: [How can we identify the creator of Data Explorer query?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/204142/how-can-we-identify-the-creator-of-data-explorer-query)" CreationDate="2013-11-04T10:12:46.210" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5179" PostId="1139" Score="10" Text="I think you should rather try math.stackexchange.com. -- While on this site occasionally soft questions are welcomed, it is probably not advisable for a new user to start with a soft question, or even to ask several such questions in quick succession." CreationDate="2013-11-03T11:42:09.053" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5180" PostId="1139" Score="4" Text="Generally no.  But you should have listed your questions here because you're potentially being too non-specific for us to give productive answers.  I second Stefan Kohl's comment." CreationDate="2013-11-03T11:42:50.297" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="5181" PostId="1139" Score="0" Text="The kind with hard answers (sic)!" CreationDate="2013-11-03T11:59:33.253" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="5183" PostId="1139" Score="12" Text="Tommy, what are your questions?" CreationDate="2013-11-03T13:20:34.407" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5185" PostId="1141" Score="0" Text="&quot;the front page contains too little relevant questions&quot;: This suggests either an alternate front page, or an easily installed front-page filter. Some ideas were discussed in an earlier [best-of question](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/949/6094)" CreationDate="2013-11-03T15:05:57.013" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5187" PostId="1141" Score="1" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: you're right that there may be a middle ground that would allow several very different usages of MO. For example, having the subset of question that are judged &quot;research level&quot; to be marked up, and to make it possible for a user to see only those questions. However, it looks a bit like drawing inside MO the same line than between MO and MSE, so I do not know whether it is truly the best answer to the issue." CreationDate="2013-11-03T15:48:54.950" UserId="4961" />
  <row Id="5188" PostId="1141" Score="0" Text="&quot;drawing inside MO the same line&quot;: Good point! I am attracted to design-your-own front page, although I have no idea how that might be implemented." CreationDate="2013-11-03T15:51:06.757" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5189" PostId="1141" Score="1" Text="People can filter by tags and searches currently.  There was also a suggestion on tea.mathoverflow that amounted to some of the community sorting the questions into two or three broad categories, something like &quot;research&quot; , &quot;reference request&quot;, and &quot;other&quot;.  I imagine there are enough people of high rep who are willing to do this categorizing." CreationDate="2013-11-03T16:12:28.257" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="5190" PostId="1141" Score="3" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger: It seems quite an art to compose an appropriate search filter. E.g., to exclude votes&lt;0, exclude votes=0 if views&gt;25, exclude those [on hold], etc." CreationDate="2013-11-03T17:09:17.310" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5199" PostId="1141" Score="0" Text="Indeed, as it is with graphic display.  Also as with graphic display, such search artists can share their output with the rest of us." CreationDate="2013-11-04T07:04:47.077" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="5204" PostId="1141" Score="3" Text="&quot;Maybe we should seek a way to make closing less humiliating[...]&quot; in my opinion it could help if those *in favor* of a closed question could approach voicing their repsective opinion in a more constructive and moderate way, namely via highlighting what is good about the question while at the same time perhaps acknowledging what is not optimal (and possibly suggesting improvements), as opposed to just shouting at those that dared to close/put on hold the question causing/reemphasizing the impression that this is a huge problem. Some do the former, but I feel the latter is more wide spread." CreationDate="2013-11-04T17:30:16.170" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5220" PostId="1141" Score="2" Text="&quot;I know some colleagues that have stopped using MO because the front page contains too little relevant questions...&quot;  Yes, I also know a bunch.  They look at garbage on the front page and ask me why I waste my time on MO." CreationDate="2013-11-06T00:29:42.063" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5221" PostId="1141" Score="1" Text="Hm, maybe not enough high-rep users are not asking many questions themselves (these days)? I'm curious to know." CreationDate="2013-11-06T03:14:23.383" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5269" PostId="1141" Score="0" Text="I find it a little unfortunate that the  issue of closing questions have been a main  subject of discussion for this question." CreationDate="2013-11-08T14:19:04.333" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5270" PostId="1141" Score="4" Text="Dear Todd, one of the best usage of MO, in my opinion, is a place for experienced mathematicians to ask questions *not* in their area of expertise." CreationDate="2013-11-08T14:21:09.860" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5202" PostId="1142" Score="2" Text="Perhaps not clearly off-topic, but it does look like a peculiar question to me. I am guessing OP saw the stated theorem (&quot;Th.&quot;) in a book or paper somewhere and wants to know what it's good for. It would help to know what book or paper it was, so that some needed context could be divined." CreationDate="2013-11-04T14:30:57.100" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5219" PostId="1143" Score="5" Text="I would like it to block all answers like &quot;I should add more detail here but I am on my iPad and I have no real keyboard, so this quick one-liner will do&quot;." CreationDate="2013-11-06T00:13:07.473" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5223" PostId="1144" Score="2" Text="Your last comment emphasizes the need for a first MO app..." CreationDate="2013-11-06T06:28:36.853" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5212" PostId="1145" Score="1" Text="I just asked a similar question on the MSE meta http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/11576/hiding-ignored-tags-hides-all-questions." CreationDate="2013-11-05T18:38:11.610" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5213" PostId="1145" Score="0" Text="(I do not have the problem on MO, as I don't have the any ignored tags here, nor the &quot;hide ignored tags&quot; enabled)." CreationDate="2013-11-05T18:38:55.440" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5214" PostId="1145" Score="1" Text="I just tried replicating the bug here on MO by adding a few ignored tags (that I knew had questions on the active page) and enabling &quot;hide ignored tags&quot;, but it worked as intended here. It may only happen if you have enough ignored tags." CreationDate="2013-11-05T18:41:25.557" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5215" PostId="1145" Score="2" Text="I'd recommend to retag this as [meta-tag:bug], that way the SE developers will see it." CreationDate="2013-11-05T19:34:07.767" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5229" PostId="1146" Score="3" Text="I am **strictly** against taking any meta-question whatsoever to the main page as a question (and the discussion is visible on main via community bulletin). Also, how relevant is the opinion of pure lurkers? (That btw could not even vote on q/a.) It is fine if people  read the site, but as long as they do not contribute anything what actual good do they do for the site? And I do not buy that much the idea people would contribute if it only where for this or that change (in either direction)." CreationDate="2013-11-06T13:21:56.977" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5306" PostId="1146" Score="0" Text="@quid, indeed, that's why I suggested a poll, not a question format.  Lurkers also become contributors.  Perhaps it's just me, but if I wanted to know what made this site successful, I'd ask ALL the people reading it why they do so, not just the ones who contribute to meta.  Further, one of them might have a good idea about retention/community growth.  Of course, if the folks at Stackexchange have a better idea, let's use that instead.  Gerhard &quot;Pretend It Is Customer Feedback&quot; Paseman, 2013.11.10" CreationDate="2013-11-11T00:11:19.183" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5330" PostId="1146" Score="1" Text="I would not have an actual objection against some dedicated poll. Yet I also think one would have to be very careful in interpreting the result. (I am not sure why you bring up the folks at stackexchange. This discussion has nothing to do with SE in a narrow sense.)" CreationDate="2013-11-13T19:00:36.010" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5342" PostId="1146" Score="1" Text="I bring up Stackexchange because they might have an answer to the original question regarding retention.  Or, if not an answer, a way to answer it, say a poll.  Gerhard &quot;They Have Some Relevant Experience&quot; Paseman, 2013.11.14" CreationDate="2013-11-14T19:12:09.007" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5224" PostId="1148" Score="7" Text="This has happened for ages. The fix so far has been is not to do it :-)" CreationDate="2013-11-06T07:09:19.810" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="5225" PostId="1148" Score="1" Text="Interestingly, I cannot edit that comment because its edit link is under something else (and one cannot get there by tabbing because of the SE fascination with :hover...)" CreationDate="2013-11-06T07:11:18.880" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="5227" PostId="1148" Score="1" Text="I hid the thing on top using Firebug :-)" CreationDate="2013-11-06T07:17:00.743" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="5228" PostId="1148" Score="16" Text="Math Overflow? It's not a bug, it's a feature! :-)" CreationDate="2013-11-06T08:19:16.633" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5257" PostId="1148" Score="2" Text="Here is a link to meta.MSE discussion, where Willie Wong suggested a way how to get to edit/delete button in such cases: [Comments layout break if Math expression is too long](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/2652/comments-layout-break-if-math-expression-is-too-long). (Several other discussions about the same problem are linked there.)" CreationDate="2013-11-07T08:44:59.143" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5260" PostId="1148" Score="2" Text="@Manishearth: Martin posted a link from MSE to your comment above as &quot;another way&quot; of editing comments when such breakage happens. It is a shame that it is gone!" CreationDate="2013-11-07T08:57:32.803" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="5341" PostId="1148" Score="3" Text="This is a long standing bug that happens with code-formatted markdown in comments too. Just noting that we've seen this, but I'm not sure about a fix." CreationDate="2013-11-14T14:47:46.410" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="5236" PostId="1149" Score="0" Text="Thanks. It seems fixed." CreationDate="2013-11-06T14:12:24.210" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="5249" PostId="1151" Score="8" Text="That was funny! Maybe some people take MO too seriously ... Personnally, I think there should be no points and that the word &quot;reputation&quot; was a bad choice. &quot;Likes&quot;, Facebook-style are more appropriate." CreationDate="2013-11-06T15:34:22.227" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5265" PostId="1154" Score="1" Text="As it turns out, the answer was in fact obvious and elementary, so I understand the close votes.  On the other hand, the posted answer goes beyond the obvious and elementary, and I learned something from it.  So I'm glad this got re-opened, even if it was for the wrong reason." CreationDate="2013-11-08T02:06:48.323" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5274" PostId="1158" Score="1" Text="I guess, the latter does not do what I want (because I want a sorted list by which tag has the least answered questions), but the former solution via the data explorer might work out---provided I construct the correct query! thanks." CreationDate="2013-11-08T23:49:24.000" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="5277" PostId="1158" Score="0" Text="What is one's &quot;`UserId`&quot; in the context of data-explorer queries, may I ask?" CreationDate="2013-11-09T00:41:03.247" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5279" PostId="1158" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: Yours is 6094" CreationDate="2013-11-09T02:49:26.797" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5280" PostId="1158" Score="1" Text="@Suvrit If you Google for [unanswered tag site:data.stackexchange.com](http://www.google.com/search?q=unanswered+tag+site:data.stackexchange.com) you can find some queries already existing for this." CreationDate="2013-11-09T18:22:40.770" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5282" PostId="1158" Score="0" Text="@Martin: thanks! exactly what I needed. You may wish to make your comment an answer. I copied that sql query and executed it already thanks!" CreationDate="2013-11-09T18:33:21.853" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="5275" PostId="1159" Score="0" Text="You can click on the &quot;edit&quot; buttons below your questions, and paste the LaTeX source to wherever you want." CreationDate="2013-11-09T00:08:00.360" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5276" PostId="1159" Score="0" Text="Or indeed print each relevant page, but choose &quot;print to file&quot; so that you end up with a PDF or PS file stored on your computer.  But perhaps you were after a more automated method?" CreationDate="2013-11-09T00:16:46.077" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="5278" PostId="1159" Score="2" Text="There's an app for exporting data from SE sites called StackPrinter. Might help." CreationDate="2013-11-09T02:06:22.340" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="5286" PostId="1159" Score="3" Text="The Stack Exchange Data Explorer lets you download results as CSV, which may be useful if you want computer readable data." CreationDate="2013-11-10T01:16:30.550" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="18389" PostId="1160" Score="0" Text="This is really useful. Thankyou.." CreationDate="2019-02-14T07:13:06.490" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="5284" PostId="1163" Score="0" Text="Per [OP's request](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1157/sort-unanswered-questions-by-tag/1163#comment5282_1158), I have expanded my comment to an answer." CreationDate="2013-11-09T18:45:13.740" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5294" PostId="1165" Score="8" Text="You find answers to some of your questions if you click on the links &quot;legal&quot; and &quot;privacy policy&quot; at the bottom of this page." CreationDate="2013-11-10T13:12:12.953" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5295" PostId="1165" Score="1" Text="See also http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/402/in-writing-a-research-paper-how-can-i-refer-to-peoples-answers-given-to-a-ques and answers for Q1. For Q2: I do not know about any. For Q3: see http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/200177/updated-procedure-for-reporting-scrapers for the issue on the network in general (in particular SO seems to have frequent trouble with this). I am not sure this is exactly the same for MO, but if you notice some massive violation of the CC license I would report it here on meta or to moderators directly." CreationDate="2013-11-10T13:24:37.367" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5296" PostId="1165" Score="0" Text="The questions raised when I tried to introduce MO to a researcher in our institute. He simply asked: &quot;Is it safe to use?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-10T13:29:19.803" UserDisplayName="user42090" />
  <row Id="5319" PostId="1165" Score="0" Text="For 3, the legal link (under section 3) says they can take certain actions for any reason or no reason at all.  I think that means without giving a reason; could they prove they had no reason to take action...?" CreationDate="2013-11-13T10:05:23.343" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="5320" PostId="1165" Score="0" Text="Let me also point out http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/952/problematic-phrasing-of-stack-exchange-terms-of-service/958#comment4541_958 for a problematic point in the terms of service. Short synopsis: in the way they are currently phrased, you cannot even use **your own** contributions to MO in a paper or book, unless it's licensed under CC BY-SA." CreationDate="2013-11-13T11:59:05.663" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5484" PostId="1165" Score="0" Text="The most interesting question to me is Q3. What are the legal tools to prevent abusing of the scientific information published in mainstream journals?" CreationDate="2013-11-23T19:10:40.610" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="5298" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="Dear @François: I am curious. Could you please describe the nature of the takedown notices which have been directed at mathoverflow? Thank you very much." CreationDate="2013-11-10T16:10:09.317" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5299" PostId="1167" Score="5" Text="The only one in the past two years involved a question copied verbatim from a qualification test. The test publisher notified us via email and we deleted the question. Moderators are no longer handle takedown notices but there is a plan for the SE network to release information on takedown notices: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/177269/please-upload-dmca-takedowns-to-the-chilling-effects-clearinghouse" CreationDate="2013-11-10T16:18:53.610" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5302" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer Francois." CreationDate="2013-11-10T16:43:46.260" UserDisplayName="user42090" />
  <row Id="5303" PostId="1167" Score="4" Text="@StGeorg: No need to thank me, your accept was sufficient. In fact, it's best to avoid 'thank you' comments, especially with moderators since we get enough notifications and we don't need extra noise." CreationDate="2013-11-10T17:10:04.293" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5304" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="OK. I will note to this point in the next comments." CreationDate="2013-11-10T17:34:28.627" UserDisplayName="user42090" />
  <row Id="5307" PostId="1168" Score="7" Text="You are comparing to questions that were asked more than 3 years ago. The sort of soft questions people like has changed." CreationDate="2013-11-11T20:15:21.520" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5308" PostId="1168" Score="1" Text="Another issue here is that this question is much narrower than the ones you listed, which were likely to be of interest to large groups of mathematicians." CreationDate="2013-11-11T21:12:34.007" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5309" PostId="1170" Score="3" Text="It depends how long they are and to what extent A is of independent interest. Anyway the default would be to ask a single question." CreationDate="2013-11-12T16:41:22.900" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5311" PostId="1170" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai, thanks.  I edited to address this." CreationDate="2013-11-12T16:46:46.640" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="5313" PostId="1170" Score="5" Text="Ask a single question and show why A implies B." CreationDate="2013-11-12T16:49:59.793" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5314" PostId="1170" Score="1" Text="Ask about A, and include a synopsis of A implies B, unless it is short enough to include a complete version.  Also include a motivation for B, and how (B and not A) would be of interest.  If the result is not too long, you might also indicate how you came across the simple argument.  Gerhard &quot;You Can Partition It Later&quot; Paseman, 2013.11.12" CreationDate="2013-11-12T17:55:39.753" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5316" PostId="1170" Score="0" Text="I've gone ahead and asked it as [one question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/148691/meager-subspaces-of-a-banach-space-and-weak-convergence)." CreationDate="2013-11-12T19:04:06.163" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="5318" PostId="1170" Score="2" Text="...neither of which I can answer." CreationDate="2013-11-12T23:04:58.547" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5317" PostId="1171" Score="9" Text="I also post under my real name for this reason and at least I get to think twice before posting (most of the time)." CreationDate="2013-11-12T19:58:28.407" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="5323" PostId="1172" Score="5" Text="Frederico, I believe you may be misinterpreting the consequences of this interpretation of the TOS. Since this interpretation contradicts item 7b of the CC BY-SA license, it might invalidate the licensing agreement itself." CreationDate="2013-11-13T13:49:41.147" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5324" PostId="1172" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I see. So your interpretation is that SE's terms of service are inconsistent and hence invalid? (note: I am not a lawyer, so I might well be mis-interpreting everything)" CreationDate="2013-11-13T14:06:22.527" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5325" PostId="1172" Score="0" Text="The most reasonable thing would be to ask a stackexchange officer to give an authorative answer." CreationDate="2013-11-13T16:02:58.060" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5326" PostId="1172" Score="2" Text="They say they are working on it: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/203209/can-you-ditch-the-attribution-for-own-content-clause-from-the-terms-of-service/203299#203299" CreationDate="2013-11-13T16:06:57.793" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5337" PostId="1172" Score="8" Text="@FedericoPoloni, also, I don't see anything in the current (generally agreed to be broken) terms of service that say you are restricted to using your contributions under the CC BY-SA license, but merely that when you use your own contributions, you will provide attribution per the CC BY-SA license rules. These are rather different things, and in particular according to the current wording you could certainly use that material in a paper or book, as long as you cited the original appearance on MO." CreationDate="2013-11-14T04:24:34.300" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5506" PostId="1172" Score="2" Text="Frederico, that part of the TOS has been reworded and it now explicitly states the exception that you can do anything you want with your own contributed content." CreationDate="2013-11-27T00:22:13.347" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5508" PostId="1172" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Thanks for letting me know of the change - I've seen the new TOS and I am satisfied with the changes made. Should I delete this answer outright or just stick an edit on top of it?" CreationDate="2013-11-27T08:27:28.970" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5331" PostId="1173" Score="0" Text="Can someone else confirm the appearance of this message?" CreationDate="2013-11-13T23:23:45.807" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5332" PostId="1173" Score="2" Text="I just saw &quot;This question does not appear to be about programming within the scope defined in the help center.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-13T23:25:20.463" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5333" PostId="1173" Score="1" Text="Also, I just saw: &quot;This question does not appear to be about **Information security** within the scope defined in the help center.&quot; (emphasis mine). This is curious..." CreationDate="2013-11-13T23:28:18.183" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5336" PostId="1173" Score="3" Text="This was a caching bug that has now been fixed. See [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/207281/wrong-close-reason-bug-everything-must-be-about-video-games) for details." CreationDate="2013-11-14T03:22:28.990" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5343" PostId="1175" Score="2" Text="Some quick experimenting seems to indicate that the &quot;Very Low Quality&quot; option is only listed for posts with nonpositive score." CreationDate="2013-11-16T06:03:01.067" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="5344" PostId="1175" Score="0" Text="It depends on whether or not the post is a question, an answer, if you are the owner of that post, and if it has a positive score." CreationDate="2013-11-16T10:12:13.283" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5345" PostId="1175" Score="0" Text="Also whether the question is closed/on-hold (&quot;it is a duplicate&quot; and &quot;it should be closed for another reason&quot; make  less sense to apply in this case)." CreationDate="2013-11-16T10:17:30.253" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="5346" PostId="1175" Score="0" Text="Actually, I think the precise scenario in OP happens *only* if it is on hold/closed (and by another user) [yet then irrespective of score]. Otherwise for a question (as in OP) there are always the close/dup flags." CreationDate="2013-11-16T20:33:01.073" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5372" PostId="1181" Score="16" Text="From MO's What question can I ask here: &quot;[...] ask and answer research level math questions, the sorts of questions you come across when you're writing or *reading* articles or *graduate level books.*&quot; (my emphasis) In principle such a q is on-topic on MO (your q is really not in my field so I do not want to make any definite statement). In general, good graduate level q are  welcome, only sloppy and/or completely standard ones are put on hold. Now, it can likely happen one thinks it is good but turns out to be 'comlpetely standard' to someone, but then this is not that big a problem." CreationDate="2013-11-17T11:07:17.077" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5383" PostId="1181" Score="9" Text="Dear Sergio, Your question seems too advanced for math-stack and appropriate to mathoverflow." CreationDate="2013-11-17T15:55:23.860" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5391" PostId="1181" Score="10" Text="I would argue that, *in principle*, there's not supposed to be anything that is &quot;too advanced&quot; for math.SE; that is, math.SE is supposed to welcome question at *all* levels. In practice, it is likely that advanced questions will receive attention from an audience more likely to answer them in mathoverflow than in math.SE (because of the composition of the readerships of both groups), but that is a different question from whether it would be on-topic in math.SE. (cont)" CreationDate="2013-11-17T22:53:12.323" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="5392" PostId="1181" Score="5" Text="(cont) It used to be common that if a question seemed hard *and* was not getting any answers in math.SE, then it would be suggested that it be crossposted to mathoverflow (I don't know if migration is now possible that the two sites are on the same platform). Again, this would be different from saying it was off-topic or inappropriate for math.SE.   My general impression is that the set of questions appropriate for mathoverflow are a proper subset of those that are appropriate for math.SE; again, this is different from whether a question is more likely to get useful answers here or there." CreationDate="2013-11-17T22:56:21.887" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="5393" PostId="1181" Score="15" Text="Math.SE now has such a huge number of questions now, that I think it's hard for advanced technical questions to be seen by the right people even if they're browsing m.SE now and then." CreationDate="2013-11-18T00:08:21.647" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="5396" PostId="1181" Score="0" Text="@NoahSnyder: Fair enough; haven't taken a look at math.SE in a while (I sometimes get inadvertedly logged-in when I look click at a question in MO that gets migrated)." CreationDate="2013-11-18T02:12:50.293" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="5400" PostId="1181" Score="1" Text="I think it depends very much on what you are interested in. Advanced questions on general topology or set theory for example are usually answered quite fast at MSE. btw: Users cannot migrate questions from MSE to MO, only moderators can." CreationDate="2013-11-18T15:22:21.400" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="5408" PostId="1181" Score="0" Text="@Michael: Yes, I know; users can flag questions for migration. But back when I was reading math.SE, migration was not possible, period, so people were encouraged to repost (after a suitable wait), with cross-references." CreationDate="2013-11-18T17:18:56.787" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="13698" PostId="1181" Score="0" Text="Some other websites can be found here: [Useful mathematical fora](http://math.stackexchange.com/q/95787). Although I am not sure to which extent they would be useful in the situation described by the OP. In connection with the example of a question which was not answered on MSE but might be unsuitable here, it is worth mentioning that now this thread exists: [Interesting (and not sufficiently answered) questions on math.SE](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1967)." CreationDate="2016-12-04T07:54:46.973" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14005" PostId="1181" Score="0" Text="This discussion on meta.MO seems related, too: [A StackExchange website aimed at graduate students?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2902)" CreationDate="2017-02-11T07:07:05.813" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5378" PostId="1182" Score="2" Text="For what interest it might have, I think MSE has well over 10 times that much per day." CreationDate="2013-11-17T14:52:22.163" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5379" PostId="1182" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble: Yes, 538 questions per day. Which makes it impossible (for me) to browse casually--I can only interact usefully with MSE via searches." CreationDate="2013-11-17T14:57:03.807" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5380" PostId="1182" Score="3" Text="According to the [data in this/my answer](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/853/9072) (though the relevant data for this question was added by François G. Dorais) the number of questions is pretty stable over time, there was a peak in the second quarter of this year though (due to the network joining it is to be assumed, but already the 3rd qurter seemed pretty much back to average)." CreationDate="2013-11-17T15:21:13.550" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5381" PostId="1182" Score="1" Text="@quid: Thanks. So my perception is incorrect!" CreationDate="2013-11-17T15:34:55.220" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5477" PostId="1182" Score="0" Text="@Joseph: are you filtering tags on math.SE? This is what I did before I stopped going entirely and it helped for awhile." CreationDate="2013-11-23T08:42:55.400" UserId="290" />
  <row Id="10494" PostId="1182" Score="0" Text="Here is a nice analysis of MSE's Q/A activity: [MSE meta link](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/2544/237)." CreationDate="2015-05-24T14:45:03.757" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5389" PostId="1183" Score="0" Text="Thanks, François! Quite a plummet on the weekends. Peaks in midweek. A bit surprising to me that mathematicians follow the rhythms of the work week, but they (or at least, question-posers) clearly do." CreationDate="2013-11-17T17:24:47.850" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5390" PostId="1183" Score="1" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: Here is the matching query for answers in case you want to compare - http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/148268/answers-per-day-in-a-given-month-year?Year=2013&amp;Month=11" CreationDate="2013-11-17T19:47:33.097" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5398" PostId="1183" Score="0" Text="@François Dorais: You say that the graph corresponds to questions with non-negative score only. Is the same true of the histograms in this answer?" CreationDate="2013-11-18T10:39:57.580" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5399" PostId="1183" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade: Yes, questions with negative score have limited life span anyway." CreationDate="2013-11-18T13:23:06.020" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5403" PostId="1183" Score="0" Text="@François Dorais: There are many old questions with negative score still left on mathoverflow. Has there been a change in the procedure regarding questions with negative score after joining the stack exchange network? More importantly, since the present question asks about the quantity of new questions, I think it would be helpful to also show the *total* number of questions per day. Would that be possible, or is there not enough information available about the number of deleted questions?" CreationDate="2013-11-18T16:07:35.577" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5404" PostId="1183" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade: I don't think you can get deleted questions through the data explorer." CreationDate="2013-11-18T16:16:02.357" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5405" PostId="1183" Score="0" Text="@François Dorais: That is too bad... Do you know if there is any place where one can find out the *total* number of questions asked on mathoverflow on a given day?" CreationDate="2013-11-18T16:27:10.833" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5406" PostId="1183" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade: You can remove the score restriction on the query but you still won't get deleted questions that way." CreationDate="2013-11-18T16:38:18.433" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5409" PostId="1183" Score="2" Text="Moderators can search for deleted questions and get an estimate that way, but regular users don't have access to that option." CreationDate="2013-11-18T17:57:34.137" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5447" PostId="1183" Score="0" Text="@Joseph: That's not news at all, actually. I have long noticed that during the weekend the front page moves far slower than during the rest of the week." CreationDate="2013-11-21T23:03:24.773" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5397" PostId="1184" Score="10" Text="The orderings are not quite linear.  I have found much interesting mathematics on Math.SE, but art of problem solving seems a bit more specialized (as the name suggests of course)." CreationDate="2013-11-18T04:48:57.373" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="5401" PostId="1185" Score="13" Text="Only spam and offensive flags automatically remove posts, and the threshold is 6 flags for those. All questions are hidden from the frontpage if they fall below a score of -4, but they're still visible on the `/questions` page." CreationDate="2013-11-18T15:49:52.120" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5407" PostId="1185" Score="2" Text="Thanks. I got that wrong." CreationDate="2013-11-18T17:03:59.493" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="5410" PostId="1185" Score="2" Text="Maybe the easiest way to achieve the goal (as it doesn't require changes in the software) would be that the moderators do a bit more than they do now with respect to removing &quot;clutter&quot; posts. -- Or would this be infeasible / cause too many objections / ... ?" CreationDate="2013-11-18T20:24:24.977" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5411" PostId="1185" Score="8" Text="The &quot;average flag handling time&quot; is currently a bit under 100 minutes (... thanks Todd!) I don't think reacting any faster to flags is really viable. I think more flags for moderator attention, and more flags for spam (please, however, only when it's not even mathematics) would be helpful." CreationDate="2013-11-18T21:57:13.403" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5421" PostId="1185" Score="1" Text="In the case of this -4 thing, would it make sense to encourage users to be more liberal in their downvoting?" CreationDate="2013-11-19T12:25:41.737" UserId="3384" />
  <row Id="5446" PostId="1185" Score="0" Text="There is no need for flags. Users with high-enough reputation can vote to delete closed questions." CreationDate="2013-11-21T16:12:15.047" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5475" PostId="1185" Score="0" Text="I was wondering whether the OP will find out that his question was migrated if the original is deleted before he comes back to the site. But it seems that there is [a notification for the OP](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/29344/notify-author-when-question-is-migrated) when a question is migrated." CreationDate="2013-11-23T08:38:41.960" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5566" PostId="1185" Score="1" Text="@stankewicz: I agree with that (more liberal downvoting) in principle, but I find it very difficult in practice.  Given the typical vote scores on questions, downvoting a question to –4 feels like a vey cruel pile-on.  When the questioner’s a repeat offender, or blatantly putting no effort in, I don’t mind doing that, but the vast majority of noise questions are well-meaning, sincere, and have put a modicum of effort in, but just haven’t taken seen relevant parts of the site description/FAQ.  Maybe I’m just soft-hearted, and should be downvoting nonetheless… but it’s hard to bring myself to." CreationDate="2013-12-01T22:02:49.017" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="5414" PostId="1186" Score="0" Text="&quot;...hundreds of mathematicians attending.&quot; It's going to be a small meeting then --- the 2013 meeting drew over 6000 registrants." CreationDate="2013-11-19T04:45:27.310" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="5415" PostId="1186" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Gerry, I'm glad to hear that I should say &quot;thousands.&quot;  Indeed, in my original post I had actually written &quot;thousands&quot;, but lost confidence and so changed it to &quot;hundreds&quot;. But I expect that the meeting will be bigger than ever! I've edited it back in." CreationDate="2013-11-19T04:52:15.383" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5416" PostId="1186" Score="1" Text="Here's the  complete list of presenters at the JMM: http://jointmathematicsmeetings.org/meetings/national/jmm2014/2160_presenters.html" CreationDate="2013-11-19T05:49:12.287" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="5418" PostId="1186" Score="2" Text="I wish I wish I wish I could come to that..." CreationDate="2013-11-19T08:36:43.280" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5419" PostId="1189" Score="0" Text="I'm not suggesting that *spam* or *abuse* flags should be misapplied to off-topic posts. As well as being muddled about which flags could automatically remove a post, I was unaware that down-votes on questions don't cost the voter any rep. Thank you for your reply." CreationDate="2013-11-19T09:09:37.963" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="5420" PostId="1189" Score="5" Text="@JohnBentin They also quickly move a question off the front page (there is some caching involved so it might take a minute), but down votes are definitely the tool for the job." CreationDate="2013-11-19T12:02:24.513" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="5422" PostId="1190" Score="0" Text="*&quot;they're like the fire alarm pull box on every floor of every building&quot;* You're definitely living in a fire-safe neighborhood, then. I can hardly recall any building (sans university buildings) that I have seen with fire alarm pull boxes. :-)" CreationDate="2013-11-19T17:01:45.607" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5423" PostId="1190" Score="3" Text="Here might be a reasonable place to add that a number of MO users seem to have a very broad sense of constitutes 'spam' (often used in place of Very Low Quality). It would be clearer and more useful if we could reserve it for the sense of unsolicited advertising (the original sense had to do with bulk emails, but I'd happily include mentions of one's vixra preprints as part of 'spam' in the present sense)." CreationDate="2013-11-20T00:40:35.010" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5424" PostId="1190" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble, I noticed Scott M commenting on another Meta post (I think) that he wished the spam flag would be reserved for non-mathematics. I guess I don't flag things that often,  I just did an experiment on an old question and did see &quot;should be closed for another reason...&quot; which might be the same as low quality; or might force me to write in a reason. I cancelled before getting that far." CreationDate="2013-11-20T03:34:02.317" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="5425" PostId="1191" Score="11" Text="I think the downvotes in both cases are ridiculous. My advice: Think of them as noise, and pay no mind." CreationDate="2013-11-20T03:57:48.460" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="5426" PostId="1191" Score="8" Text="There are lots of questions with a phrase like &quot;What is known about…&quot; that are poorly thought out and worth down voting.  However, while I don't know much about logic or set theory (and thus can't say anything definitively), your questions look like perfectly good ones to me.  Like Andres said, I'd just ignore the down votes.  All of us manage to get random down votes from time to time!" CreationDate="2013-11-20T04:22:21.880" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5427" PostId="1191" Score="3" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/146139/what-is-known-about-the-sum-xn2-n has 15 upvotes, no downvotes. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/141706/what-is-known-about-dynamics-on-grassmannians has 6 upvotes, no downvotes. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/127303/what-is-known-about-the-strong-arnold-conjecture has 8 upvotes, no downvotes. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/118324/what-is-known-about-arbitrary-subfactors-of-integer-index has 9 upvotes, no downvotes." CreationDate="2013-11-20T04:33:49.663" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="5428" PostId="1191" Score="1" Text="And http://mathoverflow.net/questions/23391/what-is-known-about-this-plethysm has 22 upvotes, no downvotes. Case closed." CreationDate="2013-11-20T04:38:25.763" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="5429" PostId="1191" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the encouragement, @Andres and Andy.  I was initially inclined to ignore the downvotes also until I noticed their relation to the wording of the questions.  But it could certainly be a fluke." CreationDate="2013-11-20T05:31:54.603" UserId="1682" />
  <row Id="5430" PostId="1191" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Thanks for collecting those.  That is some significant evidence against my theory." CreationDate="2013-11-20T05:37:38.347" UserId="1682" />
  <row Id="5431" PostId="1192" Score="3" Text="However, in fishing, many individuals (even some lawyers) are often satisfied after catching the first two or three fish, and don't need to fill a cargo hold.  What is the community feeling about &quot;Is anything known about...&quot;, especially if it is made clear that what is wanted is only a starting point and not necessarily a tome?  Gerhard &quot;This Assumes The Community Feels&quot; Paseman, 2013.11.20" CreationDate="2013-11-20T19:20:12.623" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5522" PostId="1192" Score="1" Text="Seems to me that &quot;is anything known about...&quot; is a different question altogether, and much closer to the mainstream question style." CreationDate="2013-11-28T20:02:50.257" UserId="14901" />
  <row Id="5435" PostId="1193" Score="3" Text="According to the data I get there are 188 question and only **11** percent rejected (not 21). The discrepancy of 3 in total count seems easily explained by the moving window, but 21 vs 11 is a bit much for fluctuation. Could you please double check this number. In fact I was extremely surprised by the over 20 percent rejection rate. Indeed I am even surprised by the 11 percent as last time I checked it was around 5, but the change in math.SE policy (lack of context closure) could well explain this." CreationDate="2013-11-21T11:39:36.400" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5436" PostId="1193" Score="1" Text="@quid: I double checked. It now says **20** percent. Where did you get your data? (Mine is from the Moderator Tools -&gt; migrated -&gt; stats on MSE). (Incidentally, $20 / 188 \approx 0.11$, I wonder if there is an extraneous or missing division somewhere.)" CreationDate="2013-11-21T11:45:46.213" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="5437" PostId="1193" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the reply I got it on MO (10k-tools I assume), http://mathoverflow.net/tools/posts/migrated/stats and here one finds the questions that got rejected http://mathoverflow.net/tools/posts/migrated/rejected the total count of which seems a lot more in line with 11 percent than 21 percent; the missing division reasons seems feasible." CreationDate="2013-11-21T11:50:57.270" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5438" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="@quid: I don't have access to 10K tools here. This discrepancy is slightly worrisome. But since the info is available to 10K, I can post publicly. Do you mind posting a screencap as an answer below? I'll grab it and ask about it on Meta.SO. (I would have asked for it to be e-mailed, but I know you value your privacy and all.)" CreationDate="2013-11-21T11:56:47.720" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="5439" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="At the moment this is difficult to do technically (although mainly as I am incompetent it needs to be admitted). Perhaps &quot;double-moderator&quot; Mariano would be a good person to check; or a more savvy 10kuser. But if nothing happens before I will follow up on this in half a day. (If you prefer, I can send you an email, no problem.)" CreationDate="2013-11-21T12:03:59.147" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5440" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="@quid: that would be appreciated. I'll also ping Mariano to see. I'll leave the method of communications up to you." CreationDate="2013-11-21T12:04:43.590" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="5441" PostId="1193" Score="4" Text="I'm looking into the discrepancy, I can't readily explain why it differs between sites." CreationDate="2013-11-21T12:53:24.497" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="5442" PostId="1193" Score="2" Text="I like the *Proposal* for wording change." CreationDate="2013-11-21T13:50:09.647" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="5443" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="Since Tim Post seems to be investigating the matter already I assume there is no more need for documenting it further. If there is still need for the screencap please let me know." CreationDate="2013-11-21T13:58:13.640" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5444" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="@quid: that's correct (the screencap is no longer necessary). Thanks." CreationDate="2013-11-21T14:03:52.783" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="5445" PostId="1193" Score="8" Text="Okay. The &quot;sending&quot; site (in this case, MO) counts _actual_ rejections, while the destination counts all questions closed or deleted - even duplicates, thus it's typically higher on the destination. The metric on the _sending_ site is what's important, which is 11%. [more here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/35744/allow-diamond-moderators-to-reverse-question-migrations/126982#126982)" CreationDate="2013-11-21T16:01:11.220" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="5485" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="I like the proposal too, and am interested in hearing other opinions." CreationDate="2013-11-23T21:48:38.513" UserId="2" />
  <row Id="5498" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="Actually, I don't like much the first off-topic reason. It sounds a lot like &quot;off-topic question is off-topic&quot;; it is not helpful at all. Maybe it should be removed, or maybe only kept as a last-resource (i.e., it should not be the first one in the proposed list). I'd rather like one that explicitly says &quot;too easy&quot; instead. (Incidentally, we discussed about a reason similar to the first one on academia.se; I had the opposite opinion initially, but the other users there managed to convince me.)" CreationDate="2013-11-26T11:27:33.657" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5500" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni: I disagree. We can only have up to three custom close reasons, so we cannot possibly be specific about _every possible scenario_. There should be a fallback option that says exactly &quot;off-topic is off-topic&quot;. At the very least the first option links to (I suppressed it in my copy-and-past above) the FAQ telling the user what is and is not on topic here." CreationDate="2013-11-26T12:02:05.453" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="5501" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong  but you agree with me that it's a fallback reason, so maybe it shouldn't be the first one on the list." CreationDate="2013-11-26T12:31:30.193" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5502" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni: that I do. Though there's a limit to how far down we can move it. (It must come before the &quot;migrate to another SE site&quot; reason and the &quot;here's a blank space, write your own&quot; reason.)" CreationDate="2013-11-26T12:45:43.777" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="5526" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="@François: thanks for the implementation! And I've already put it to use." CreationDate="2013-11-29T08:45:17.677" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="16444" PostId="1193" Score="1" Text="It seems that a question what is actually the difference between the two close reason comes up on this meta quite regularly: [Custom closing link looks too much like it should be a migrate to MSE link](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1510), [Redundant ways to close as off-topic/better on MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1856) and [What's the difference between two off-topic flags?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3766)" CreationDate="2018-06-13T03:53:30.920" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15098" PostId="1194" Score="0" Text="I think there's a difference between, &quot;What is known about $X$?&quot; and &quot;I'm interested in $X$. I read the Wikipedia page, went on MR and saw that so-and-so wrote a paper in 1957 and further research looks like it has proceeded in $Y$ direction, have I missed anything?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-10-18T13:16:03.817" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="5432" PostId="1195" Score="8" Text="Much as mathematical -history, -education, -sociology, -gossip make an appearance, such questions lie outside the main thrust, and are accepted more at the caprice of the community rather than by any rule or justification.  If you ask on meta whether a specific question is appropriate, you might get more appropriate feedback.  As your question presently stand, the safe answer is &quot;usually not&quot;.  Gerhard &quot;Always Practice Safe Question Answering&quot; Paseman, 2013.11.20" CreationDate="2013-11-20T19:56:20.003" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5433" PostId="1195" Score="2" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/45185/pseudonyms-of-famous-mathematicians got 49 upvotes, 4 downvotes. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/28947/least-collaborative-mathematician 38 up, 1 down. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/102597/history-question-autobiography-of-mathematicians 16 up, 1 down. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/74707/mathematical-habits-of-thought-and-action-which-would-be-of-use-to-non-mathemati 66 up, 4 down. There have been questions about mathematicians who did their best work after 40, mathematicians who came to math from other fields, but I didn't find them." CreationDate="2013-11-20T22:18:59.197" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="5476" PostId="1195" Score="2" Text="It's worth being aware that you'll find many highly upvoted questions of approximately this level of softness, but if you scrutinize them more closely you'll notice that they generally weren't asked recently. Standards were different in the earlier days." CreationDate="2013-11-23T08:39:24.003" UserId="290" />
  <row Id="5449" PostId="1200" Score="2" Text="Reviewing suggested edits is somewhat biased towards approval, in that rejecting an edit requires to specify a reason, while approving it does not." CreationDate="2013-11-22T14:37:51.577" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5450" PostId="1200" Score="2" Text="@Stefan Kohl: You make a good point. Consider my suggestion then as a manner to introduce a minor bias towards rejection. In fact, I also think we should increase the threshold of required approval votes to three, but I kept that out of this feature request." CreationDate="2013-11-22T14:39:54.770" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5451" PostId="1200" Score="2" Text="Whether an edit improves LaTeX typesetting is often not easy to judge, since formulas are not MathJax'ed in the review (at least I see them written there sometimes only in source)." CreationDate="2013-11-22T14:40:08.727" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5452" PostId="1200" Score="3" Text="@Stefan Kohl: Regarding the difficulty of judging the quality of an edit, and in particular the mathjax typesetting, I usually need to go to the actual post and read it there, and then compare with the suggested edit. Also, many &quot;improvements&quot; to mathjax/TeX typesetting are actually just introducing them where there were none. In several cases, I personally think they are unnecessary and actually decrease the readability of the post, not to mention increase browser issues and slow down rendering." CreationDate="2013-11-22T14:43:53.527" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5454" PostId="1200" Score="1" Text="Following up on @StefanKohl's remark: a way to see if the new mathjax is alright is to click &quot;improve&quot; as there the preview works in general; one then can &quot;cancel&quot; the improve to get back. Still a bit inconvenient but better than nothing." CreationDate="2013-11-22T15:06:39.390" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5455" PostId="1200" Score="0" Text="I am confused in the first place about the whole &quot;review suggested edits&quot; thing.  On the rare occasions when I've edited a post, the edits took hold immediately --- they never went through a phase of being &quot;suggested&quot;.  So where are these &quot;suggested&quot; edits coming from?  Are they from users without enough reputation to edit directly?" CreationDate="2013-11-22T16:35:54.473" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5456" PostId="1200" Score="1" Text="There are some users like myself who use accounts with rep high enough to suggest an edit, but too low to edit directly.  When a significant portion of the community has the time to review and apply appropriate standards, the &quot;approved edit&quot; path seems appropriate.  Gerhard &quot;Will Become Powerful One Day&quot; Paseman, 2013.11.22" CreationDate="2013-11-22T16:45:05.223" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5457" PostId="1200" Score="3" Text="@Steven: Exactly. Only users with 2K+ reputation can edit non-CW posts directly." CreationDate="2013-11-22T16:46:59.727" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5459" PostId="1200" Score="4" Text="And only &quot;trusted users&quot; (20k+) can edit tag-wikis directly. Also, I think every acount's points are high enough to suggest edits; they can even be suggested by non-users/not logged in." CreationDate="2013-11-22T17:05:27.547" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5483" PostId="1200" Score="2" Text="I think in order to improve the quality control provided by the&#xA;suggested edits review queue, it is more important to make the single&#xA;approval more meaningful than to require more votes to approve an edit.&#xA;-- Therefore if such change is realistic in any way,&#xA;I would propose that clicking [Approve] opens a dialog where one&#xA;needs to tick reasons why the edit improves the post, while rejecting&#xA;requires only the one click on [Reject].&#xA;Also, one person choosing to approve an edit would suffice,&#xA;and the approver would be listed together with the proposer in the&#xA;edit history of the post." CreationDate="2013-11-23T14:38:34.133" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5590" PostId="1200" Score="0" Text="The last is already implemented (2, not 3)]" CreationDate="2013-12-03T08:28:37.553" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="5623" PostId="1200" Score="2" Text="Just wanted to let you know that we saw this, there are similar proposals on MSO - each site seems to have different needs and wants when it comes to thresholds, and editing guidelines in general. However, this is something that we _really_ want to be consistent everywhere. I'll follow up here when we've gotten through the discussions." CreationDate="2013-12-04T14:26:37.217" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="5482" PostId="1202" Score="3" Text="Note that being marked as on hold does not necessarily mean that the moderators are aware of it. It just takes 5 regular users with enough rep to put a question on hold." CreationDate="2013-11-23T12:10:26.790" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5478" PostId="1203" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your answer. I do understand this guideline. However, in this situation the question is marked as [on hold], and by an edit a spammy link was removed. As such, it is in some way &quot;despamified&quot;. Still, I wouldn't mind if such a post were deleted, in stead of being [on hold]. Hence my question... Should I flag this &quot;despamified&quot; question as spam, to contribute to its deletion?" CreationDate="2013-11-23T10:55:28.677" UserId="21815" />
  <row Id="5479" PostId="1203" Score="3" Text="@jmc: In such situation, unless the OP him-/herself has removed the link, I'd say: revert the edit, add a comment saying that the question is spam, and flag as such." CreationDate="2013-11-23T11:10:02.753" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5480" PostId="1203" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I thought that reverting the edit would not be appropriate." CreationDate="2013-11-23T11:20:57.077" UserId="21815" />
  <row Id="5481" PostId="1203" Score="8" Text="I don't see the point of reverting the edit.  If moderators see the flagged spam, we will make it disappear." CreationDate="2013-11-23T11:36:38.397" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="5486" PostId="1204" Score="6" Text="Relax, Timothy. There are no plans to institute any such policy (as should be clear from the discussion here, it is agreed that people can have good reasons for employing pseudonyms)." CreationDate="2013-11-24T00:59:46.337" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5492" PostId="1204" Score="8" Text="Definition: &quot;a real name&quot; is a link to the professional webpage of the person who is posting." CreationDate="2013-11-25T07:21:56.723" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="29402" PostId="1204" Score="1" Text="@alvarezpaiva, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1113/on-the-role-of-anonymity-in-a-site-dedicated-to-research-level-mathematics#comment5492_1204), that just shifts the question from &quot;what is a real name?&quot; to &quot;what is a professional webpage?&quot;, and, much worse, says that only people who *have* professional webpages (whatever they are) have real names!" CreationDate="2023-12-28T22:21:04.163" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="5488" PostId="1206" Score="0" Text="Questions migrated from MathStackExchange are likely to be too advanced for that site and are not of the problematic sort under discussion. Rather, the obviously off-topic questions are those that should be migrated in the opposite direction, if they are to be preserved at all." CreationDate="2013-11-24T13:35:41.187" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="5489" PostId="1206" Score="0" Text="@JohnBentin I might be wrong, but I think this hides questions migrated *from MO*, not questions migrated *to MO*. [Search help](http://mathoverflow.net/help/searching) says: *`migrated:` yes/true/1 returns only questions that have been migrated to a different site; no/false/0 excludes migrated questions from the search.*" CreationDate="2013-11-24T13:41:26.910" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5490" PostId="1206" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification!" CreationDate="2013-11-24T13:49:09.060" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="5493" PostId="1206" Score="3" Text="This doesn't help though if one is trying to showcase MO to someone who is curious but sensitive to seeing all this 'junk'. Telling them to go to mathoverflow.net (and perhaps clicking on 'Questions') is much easier than http://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=active&amp;q=is%3aquestion%20migrated%3ano%20score%3a-1%20closed%3ano" CreationDate="2013-11-26T07:22:18.393" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="5496" PostId="1206" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts I do not know how to help with that. However, if I understand [Tim Post's comment](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1185/can-the-clutter-of-obviously-off-topic-questions-be-removed-faster#comment5420_1189) correctly, downvotes should help to remove such questions from the [front page](http://mathoverflow.net/). Downvoted questions are still shown after you click on [questions](http://mathoverflow.net/questions). (Although I am not sure what are the differences when displaying the frontpage for registerd users and new users.)" CreationDate="2013-11-26T09:21:55.777" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13442" PostId="1206" Score="0" Text="I should perhaps also add link to this question related to search options mentioned in my answer: [Is there an option to hide migrated (or even on hold) questions?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/575/is-there-an-option-to-hide-migrated-or-even-on-hold-questions/)" CreationDate="2016-08-28T12:50:12.100" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5507" PostId="1211" Score="15" Text="Most users never see that link anyway, non-mods are redirected automatically to the migrated copy of the question." CreationDate="2013-11-27T07:19:39.550" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5514" PostId="1211" Score="4" Text="@MadScientist: Not really *never*, but only when they click on the link to MathOverflow below the migrated question on Math.SE." CreationDate="2013-11-27T18:01:11.920" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5534" PostId="1211" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl while I upvoted your comment as it adds something relevant, I still feel the need to point out that it seems true that most users never see it (though they could see it if they want, though in this case it does not seem very relevant to have the link)." CreationDate="2013-11-29T13:46:34.893" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5513" PostId="1212" Score="2" Text="I think your starting sentence is misleading. It was not so much changed as some felt it was too strict, but rather since it said something (or could be understood to say something) it was never intended to say in the first place." CreationDate="2013-11-27T17:44:42.950" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5515" PostId="1212" Score="0" Text="I think that all the following statements are true:  (a) the TOS could be understood to say $X$; (b) the SE staff did not mean to write $X$ in the TOS (at least according to what they say); (c) several users complained that $X$ was too strict. In a scenario in which one of (a), (b), (c) were false, I don't think that the TOS would have been changed." CreationDate="2013-11-27T19:14:23.957" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5518" PostId="1212" Score="2" Text="I agree with quid, your restatement is misleading and problematic.  These clauses in TOS are there to make sure there are not rip-off copies of these sites without attribution. As explained a number of times they are not intended to imply any restriction on how you can use your own content. You can do with your content whatever you want to." CreationDate="2013-11-28T08:39:40.017" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5519" PostId="1212" Score="1" Text="In short: 1. if it is your content you can do with it whatever you like to, with the exception that you have given SE a CCASA license to use them. 2. if it is not your content, then you are granted a license to use them under CCASA plus the rules as explained there. It doesn't restrict your right to use them under any other license that you might have from the content owner." CreationDate="2013-11-28T08:42:57.923" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5520" PostId="1212" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh I agree with what you are saying, but that's not the complete picture. In addition to the license agreement between A (licensor) and B (licensee), the TOS contain an extra clause that seems to say the following: &quot;whenever you use content that has been published on our site, even when obtained from a third party and licensed in another way, you'll add links back to us at all costs, even if it's impractical&quot;. This is an **additional agreement** in effect between B (if he/she is a user of SE) and SE, restricting B's rights; it has nothing to do with the license agreement between A and B." CreationDate="2013-11-28T09:03:53.000" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5521" PostId="1212" Score="3" Text="You are misreading it. CC licenses are nonexclusive. See [this answer](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/951/7507): &quot;This is not an exclusive license. As the copyright owner, you may release your content to anyone under any terms you please, ...&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-28T09:59:04.380" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5524" PostId="1212" Score="0" Text="Frederico, additional restrictions imposed by licensors can invalidate CC licenses, and they often do. Your suggested rewording is much worse than the original!" CreationDate="2013-11-29T08:34:01.060" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5525" PostId="1212" Score="2" Text="The requirements a-d are in conformance with the CC BY-SA license. The CC BY-SA requirements are that, if supplied, you must provide the name of the creator and attribution parties, a copyright notice, a license notice, a disclaimer notice, and a link to the material. Items a-d merely clarify the exact form of each item. It is true that these requirements are to be met &quot;to the extent practicable.&quot; Indeed, b only applies to Internet uses and the rest are practicable by any medium reasonably capable of handling the content itself." CreationDate="2013-11-29T08:42:12.587" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5527" PostId="1212" Score="1" Text="I think [this question](http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#What_if_I_have_received_CC-licensed_material_with_additional_restrictions.3F) on the CC FAQ can help framing the issue. We're not speaking about violating the CC license here, we are speaking about violating the Stack Exchange TOS, which is a completely different agreement between different parties. I remain convinced of my point, but won't insist further." CreationDate="2013-11-29T09:48:06.487" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5548" PostId="1212" Score="1" Text="See also [this CC FAQ](http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_enter_into_separate_or_supplemental_agreements_with_users_of_my_work.3F)." CreationDate="2013-11-30T14:20:17.107" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5510" PostId="1213" Score="6" Text="I'll say further that your setup is getting to be rather hypothetical! Why not just cite the content as coming from MathOverflow (just like you cite someone's paper as being in a particular journal)? Make your best effort to provide hyperlinks, subject to the constraints of the medium, and I think you're good to go." CreationDate="2013-11-27T11:06:50.157" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5511" PostId="1213" Score="2" Text="I am not sure. Subscriber content is defined as &quot;Content posted by Subscriber&quot;. If I take the same content from another source, is it still &quot;subscriber content&quot; or not? If so, then the agreement between B and Stack Exchange binds her to abide by the additional restrictions, independently of A's opinion." CreationDate="2013-11-27T11:17:57.257" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5512" PostId="1213" Score="1" Text="Re your comment, I agree with you that this is the ideal setup. The problem is that &quot;your best effort to provide hyperlinks&quot; is enough for CC-BY-SA and for common due-reference ethics, but not for Stack Exchange, who added these additional restrictions to the license." CreationDate="2013-11-27T11:20:11.717" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="5516" PostId="1214" Score="3" Text="I suppose I should think of Spivak or Sweden when I read this answer, but I can't avoid thinking of Boris Badenov instead." CreationDate="2013-11-27T22:31:16.990" UserId="17114" />
  <row Id="5517" PostId="1215" Score="14" Text="While this is absolutely correct, I still think it's very valuable to try to get the legal setup to match &quot;reality&quot;. We might be in somewhat less trouble with academic publishing if we'd insisted much earlier to have &quot;on paper&quot; the rights (publishing in repositories, use for educational purposes) we planned to enjoy anyway." CreationDate="2013-11-28T07:54:08.557" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5528" PostId="1216" Score="2" Text="I think the &quot;peer-review&quot; mechanism for suggested edits in its&#xA;present form is merely a safeguard against visibly malicious edits,&#xA;and the edit to your post was certainly not &quot;malicious&quot; in this sense." CreationDate="2013-11-29T11:53:22.130" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5529" PostId="1216" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: Your claim contradicts what is written at http://mathoverflow.net/help/editing: “If a user without edit privileges proposes an edit that does not comply with the guidelines above, it is ordinarily rejected in the review process.”  Of course, it can still be the case that in practice the system works according to your description." CreationDate="2013-11-29T12:00:05.193" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="5530" PostId="1216" Score="7" Text="In practice, the system works according to rather inconsistent standards and opinions of the various reviewers. I tend to reject edits such as this one, but clearly other reviewers think otherwise." CreationDate="2013-11-29T12:51:40.917" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5531" PostId="1216" Score="2" Text="@DmitriPavlov: Not really. -- The guidelines are pretty vague, and leave ample room for interpretation. I think what prevents the review from being a stronger quality control is mainly its bias towards approval -- one click is sufficient to vote to approve an edit, but voting to reject an edit requires specifying a particular reason. Approval is in a certain sense the default ... ." CreationDate="2013-11-29T13:16:34.563" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5532" PostId="1216" Score="3" Text="The answer you link to does not sugggest much anything as regards the general opinion, as the edit that actually says something specific arrived *after* most of the voting. The version that was voted on was sufficiently vague that most anybody could read in it what was *their* opinion, which is IMO why it is the highest voted one in the first place. You could check for instance my poll-answer there to see how mixed opinions are (as well as various other things that got written on the subject there and in other threads)." CreationDate="2013-11-29T13:37:23.537" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5533" PostId="1216" Score="1" Text="Other than that roll-back if you think it is worth the additional bump or leave it if not. And leave a comment for the editor if you want (you can @ comment-notify people that edited though they are not 'suggested'). I read you writing you do not want to do this, but if you are worried about the clutter you could later delete your comment. And phrase it in a way that stirs possibly discussion elsewhere, to meta or to chat." CreationDate="2013-11-29T13:39:34.217" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5535" PostId="1216" Score="4" Text="Presumably adding dollar signs and like changes is not what made the resulting post &quot;incorrect&quot;.  Since it is already bumped, why not edit it again to make it &quot;correct&quot; but leave the formatting fixes?" CreationDate="2013-11-29T14:31:03.980" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="5536" PostId="1216" Score="1" Text="@GeraldEdgar why not? You can look at the post and all its revisions, by the way, you do not need to presume. Inserting dollars makes a normal W display in italic, which is **then** incorrect (in OP's opinion at least). Likewise one can consider R^2 as correct notation, while `$\Bbb R^2$` is in some people's opinion incorrect." CreationDate="2013-11-29T14:44:14.797" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5537" PostId="1216" Score="0" Text="@quid: I tend to distrust poll answers because they cancel positive and negative votes.  I think many more people will upvote/downvote an answer they like if the current vote count is negative/positive as opposed to upvoting/downvoting an answer with a positive/negative vote count.  So controversial poll answers tend to oscillate around zero." CreationDate="2013-11-29T16:31:37.637" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="5538" PostId="1216" Score="5" Text="I do not claim this poll is very good, but still it should based on it and *numerous* other contribution on meta as well as from what happens in practice be clear to everybody paying some attention to the matter that there is contrary to what you seem to claim **no consensus at all against** (granted some will share your opinion, in fact me almost) the type of edit that happened to your post (that there was one glitch and some debatable things is a bit orthogonal). If you have an issue with it rollback or put it in the form you consider as optimal. But please stop ranting about it." CreationDate="2013-11-29T20:16:57.617" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5539" PostId="1216" Score="1" Text="To put this differently I am virtually certain there are some that upvoted the answer you invoke as evidence but would actively welcome this edit (minus the minor error with the list) and approve it any time." CreationDate="2013-11-29T20:23:06.547" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5540" PostId="1216" Score="9" Text="If you think an edit has introduced more problems than it was worth, and you suspect that the editor is doing this frequently, please flag for moderator attention. We can contact the editor directly if we think it's appropriate." CreationDate="2013-11-29T20:48:35.133" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5550" PostId="1220" Score="3" Text="Perhaps it was closed because no context or motivation was provided. But since it turns out that the answer is a consequence of a difficult and interesting result (which I didn't know myself), this doesn't seem a valid reason for closing it." CreationDate="2013-11-30T18:19:12.180" UserId="35840" />
  <row Id="5568" PostId="1222" Score="0" Text="I don't see why this question was locked and unlocked by the community user in the first place. Both events also have identical timestamps." CreationDate="2013-12-02T14:38:02.110" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5569" PostId="1222" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist That seems to happen whenever a question is put on hold." CreationDate="2013-12-02T15:25:57.700" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="5571" PostId="1222" Score="0" Text="That shouldn't happen (and it doesn't happen for other questions put on hold like [this one](http://mathoverflow.net/posts/150572/revisions)). Locking would happen on a rejected migration, but this is not the case here as far as I can see." CreationDate="2013-12-02T15:37:39.033" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5622" PostId="1222" Score="0" Text="It was an automatically rejected migration, 4/5 close votes were sending it to Math SE, where there was a problem with tags not existing." CreationDate="2013-12-04T14:08:24.027" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="5573" PostId="1223" Score="4" Text="As Stefan Kohl mentioned in the comments, while the new question is reasonable, it is completely different from the original question. This is *not* how the system should work." CreationDate="2013-12-02T17:51:20.197" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5574" PostId="1223" Score="0" Text="Emil, I agree that it is *somewhat* different. But it is not *very* different from how I originally interpreted the question." CreationDate="2013-12-02T18:08:39.417" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5576" PostId="1224" Score="7" Text="Do you think MathOverflow meta is really the right place for this question?" CreationDate="2013-12-02T22:48:07.097" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5577" PostId="1224" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl, I don't know, from time to time i have questions about the community life of mathematicians rather than about mathematics or about MO Main. I try them here, usually there is little total complaint." CreationDate="2013-12-02T22:50:40.840" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="5578" PostId="1224" Score="0" Text="I see only one other question of yours here which is unrelated to MO -- and that was indeed received well: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/405/quick-or-easy-methods-to-post-math-or-diagrams-on-chat" CreationDate="2013-12-02T22:59:00.000" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5579" PostId="1224" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl, it appears I also started 17 &quot;discussions&quot; at what is now called tea.mathoverflow, anyway my little summary is at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/account/208/ and &quot;discussions&quot; are at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussions/  Note that most difficult aspects of policy and behavior for MO were fought over there." CreationDate="2013-12-02T23:07:24.753" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="5580" PostId="1224" Score="5" Text="Ah, I still miss tea. Carry on." CreationDate="2013-12-03T01:09:22.713" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5596" PostId="1224" Score="2" Text="@Scott: No reason not to drink tea, or post on tea while drinking tea, or post on tea while drinking a single malt old enough to vote... Or whatever. The point is, that we can still use tea. It would be great, however, if there was a small script with a notification of the timestamp on the last post there." CreationDate="2013-12-03T14:39:29.550" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5621" PostId="1228" Score="5" Text="You probably already know this, but in any case: The AMS now also offers mobile access. If you have a laptop (or tablet or something else which you can carry) and access to a place which subscribes to mathscinet, you take your laptop this place, go to mathscinet, klick on &quot;mobile access&quot; in the top right corner, and follow the instructions. This installs a cookie, and you will be able to access mathscinet with your laptop from home (or anywhere) for 90 days." CreationDate="2013-12-04T09:24:13.570" UserId="259" />
  <row Id="5632" PostId="1228" Score="0" Text="@Lars, thanks.." CreationDate="2013-12-04T19:48:32.337" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="5637" PostId="1228" Score="0" Text="It's also not _too_ hard to set up a VPN (virtual private network), where you bounce your web traffic off your institution's computers before sending it on to the AMS.  This also works for journal access." CreationDate="2013-12-05T01:21:45.403" UserId="19729" />
  <row Id="5776" PostId="1228" Score="0" Text="@Lars: I did not know that. That is actually rather convenient." CreationDate="2013-12-11T14:40:14.890" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="5633" PostId="1229" Score="1" Text="Isn't the third case just ends up as [untagged] or something?" CreationDate="2013-12-04T19:52:26.027" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5629" PostId="1231" Score="6" Text="Please do not discuss, here, whether the particular question should/should not be migrated, or the general merits of migration." CreationDate="2013-12-04T16:45:39.627" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5630" PostId="1231" Score="19" Text="I’d call this check “madness” rather than “sanity”. There is no sane reason why tags should be expected to be cross-site compatible (either in name or in their meaning), and for that matter, why should having no tags shared with the destination site prevent migration. Let the math.SE folks tag it as they see fit." CreationDate="2013-12-04T17:55:30.750" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5631" PostId="1231" Score="14" Text="I'd go straight for asking this check to be removed entirely network-wide, I was pretty suprised that it even existed and I think this kind of check is fundamentally flawed and just not a good idea." CreationDate="2013-12-04T18:23:45.767" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5634" PostId="1231" Score="4" Text="quid, if a question cannot be migrated, then perhaps two swallows could carry it on a string of creeper held under the dorsal guiding feathers, and carry it to Mercia." CreationDate="2013-12-04T19:53:59.300" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5774" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="One way to solve this problem is that every time a migration fails for this reason, flag down Mariano and ask him to create the appropriate synonym at MSE." CreationDate="2013-12-11T14:35:55.873" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6417" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong I do not really consider this as a solution but likely something like this is about the only wrokaround we have. Could you (or somebody else) perhaps follow through with http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/12307/mo-mse-tag-incompatibility at least for the most common ones; I think it will be more effecient to do this as a batch than literally doing what you suggest." CreationDate="2014-01-13T12:07:51.970" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6458" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="@quid: my comment was supposed to be a joke.... but no matter. if I get some time I'll fill out some of the ones there." CreationDate="2014-01-16T12:25:39.923" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6459" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong sorry about the confusion! I did not follow up on that comment than for reasoning along these lines, but then that meta thread reminded me of the issue. I think it would be *really* helpful if this could be done, for the topl-level tags at least, at least the large ones say number-theory, algebraic-geometry, combinatorics." CreationDate="2014-01-16T13:03:58.243" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6462" PostId="1231" Score="2" Text="@quid: like I said, slowly slowly I will put them in. Unfortunately the interface for entering synonyms rather deliberately slows down the process." CreationDate="2014-01-16T13:08:49.510" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6501" PostId="1231" Score="2" Text="@quid: I have entered most of them now. There are a few with some problems. I would appreciate comments on the answer that I posted on the link that you gave." CreationDate="2014-01-20T11:27:49.310" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6502" PostId="1231" Score="2" Text="We may also want to ask people at  stats.stackexchange.com to add a couple of synonyms which will ease migration there. For example, a question at MathOverflow just failed to be migrated because it was tagged with 'st.statistics' only." CreationDate="2014-01-20T16:15:37.850" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6505" PostId="1231" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade good point! For stats it might suffice to get st.statistics to be an intrinisic tag there (most q should have it and if not it could be added by somebody). I strongly assume statistics is an intrinsic tag there already, but this does not help us as we have the prefix-version. (An intrinsic tag is a tag that is typically blacklisted on the site as too generic but in case of migration will be accepted as &quot;valid&quot; tag so the mig can happen though the tag is still removed).// Willie Wong: thanks! I commented there." CreationDate="2014-01-20T22:06:17.180" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6507" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="@quid, any ideas on how to achieve such a thing at stats.stackexchange? Are there perhaps some MathOverflow users who can take care of it, like Willie Wong did at Math.StackExchange?" CreationDate="2014-01-20T22:48:26.440" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6509" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade I assume the actual creation needs to be done by developpers (not moderators). AFAIK there is a chat-room of all the different sites' moderators and developpers. I think this venue could be good for such a discussion (or something along these lines). That is, locally, we should get some moderators attention. Maybe via a new meta question." CreationDate="2014-01-21T10:54:55.977" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6526" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade another idea could be to ask on the stats site to make st.statistics a synonym of mathematical-statistics a tag they have. Perhaps one (you or I) simply should go ahaed and ask on their meta regarding this." CreationDate="2014-01-22T19:41:03.080" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6527" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="@quid, that sounds like a good idea. If you don't mind, would you be willing to start such a thread on meta.stats.stackexchange? However, I can also do it, if you prefer. By the way, would it be a good idea to raise some awareness here on meta.mathoverflow about such a thread there?" CreationDate="2014-01-22T21:37:25.780" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6528" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade no problem, I will do it (soon). For awareness here: I'd see how things develop there and then decide if awareness from here seems useful." CreationDate="2014-01-22T23:13:15.423" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6529" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="@quid, thank you. Please let me know if and how I can help." CreationDate="2014-01-22T23:44:44.813" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5635" PostId="1232" Score="14" Text="Sorry; this appears to simply have been overlooked when we were rolling this out everywhere else." CreationDate="2013-12-05T00:35:35.997" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="5652" PostId="1232" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 - would you mind posting this as an answer so I can accept it?" CreationDate="2013-12-05T23:10:41.787" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="5653" PostId="1232" Score="1" Text="Easier to just edit Scott's answer. So, done. Go ahead and accept ;-)" CreationDate="2013-12-05T23:15:46.787" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="5656" PostId="1232" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: I'm not sure I remember the details of MO2.0, but should any MO question appear as a hot question for other sites as well?" CreationDate="2013-12-06T09:36:06.553" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5663" PostId="1232" Score="2" Text="So far as I'm aware, there aren't any restrictions on that; the logic for it hasn't changed, at any rate. @Asaf" CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:33:48.183" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="5647" PostId="1233" Score="1" Text="I'm tempted to flag this as &quot;Not an answer&quot;. :-)" CreationDate="2013-12-05T14:47:28.613" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5651" PostId="1233" Score="1" Text="This should have been a comment, and Shog9's comment should have been an answer!" CreationDate="2013-12-05T23:10:22.320" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="5654" PostId="1233" Score="5" Text="Ah, tea. :-)..." CreationDate="2013-12-05T23:56:18.137" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5913" PostId="1233" Score="5" Text="I've just seen an advertisement for a MO post on MSE:" CreationDate="2013-12-20T09:28:07.333" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="5639" PostId="1234" Score="11" Text="It seems that the toolbar only facilitates movement across SE sites now, and has made in-site navigation more cumbersome (meta back to MO takes two clicks, instead of one) and has also slowed down my browser." CreationDate="2013-12-05T02:19:10.903" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="5665" PostId="1234" Score="0" Text="yes major chg, it would be nice if stackexchange mgt described this change somewhere/rationale.. aha found it. [se blog on new toolbar bkg](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2013/12/a-new-top-bar-for-stack-exchange/)" CreationDate="2013-12-06T17:51:14.957" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="5668" PostId="1234" Score="4" Text="@vzn, I linked to the blog post right in my original post. Also, please don't use &quot;texting abbreviations&quot; here: it's a professional forum." CreationDate="2013-12-06T21:56:35.483" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5677" PostId="1234" Score="1" Text="More generally, see [Where has the link to &lt;X&gt; gone?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/210186/) at the Mother Meta." CreationDate="2013-12-07T19:20:05.103" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="15003" PostId="1234" Score="0" Text="See this meta SE post: [New top bar is live](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/301845/228808)." CreationDate="2017-10-11T00:48:21.107" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5636" PostId="1235" Score="15" Text="I hate the new toolbar.  How do you get from meta to the main site?" CreationDate="2013-12-05T00:52:15.243" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5638" PostId="1235" Score="0" Text="@BillJohnson - need to click on the StackExchange link at top left, then click on MathOverflow in the drop down list." CreationDate="2013-12-05T01:47:29.617" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="5640" PostId="1235" Score="0" Text="David means to click on the downward pointing arrow.  You then get a drop down list containing 10,000 or so links and can scroll down to find MO." CreationDate="2013-12-05T02:19:34.197" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5641" PostId="1235" Score="3" Text="@BillJohnson: When I click on that MO and MOmeta show up right at the top." CreationDate="2013-12-05T02:21:59.807" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="5642" PostId="1235" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see that now.  Thanks, Scott &amp; Lucia." CreationDate="2013-12-05T02:24:57.803" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="5643" PostId="1235" Score="6" Text="@BillJohnson, paraphrasing/misquoting the immortal Anton: &quot;It'll be good when the SE folks start making arbitrary changes to our user interface again; everyone gets complacent and unnecessarily attached to the status quo.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-05T04:34:25.253" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5655" PostId="1235" Score="1" Text="I also like how my name in the toolbar has been replaced by a beautiful abstract design (which I think was chosen rather randomly when I first registered on MO)." CreationDate="2013-12-06T02:53:40.247" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="5644" PostId="1236" Score="7" Text="The answer also tells you how to get back from meta to the main site!" CreationDate="2013-12-05T04:35:01.867" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15046" PostId="1236" Score="1" Text="The &quot;October surprise&quot; change is a bit confusing at first.  But the menu formerly found on the left (under the StackExchange sign) is now moved to the right.  Also from the change: It will be convenient to have a search field for the current site right there at the top, I think." CreationDate="2017-10-11T13:38:28.097" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="5645" PostId="1237" Score="0" Text="Yes I was aware of this issue (and the fix via using [tag:untagged] also came to mind). And, I do not think this is an *unintended* sideeffect of something. As visible in the linked to post Tim Post explained this was like this *and* it is documented in [the FAQ on migration on meta.SO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10249/what-is-migration-and-how-does-it-work/10250#10250)" CreationDate="2013-12-05T12:47:03.900" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5646" PostId="1237" Score="2" Text="@quid, I see. Still I am not sure if it was an intentional decision. I am pretty sure this is new and it wasn't this way before as I have migrated a number of questions to [cs.se] from [cstheory.se] without any valid tags on [cs.se]. One solution is to create tag synonyms on the target site corresponding to those on the original site, we did this for a few more popular tags so we don't need to manually fix the tags after the migration." CreationDate="2013-12-05T14:23:57.980" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5648" PostId="1237" Score="2" Text="That is an intentional side effect, I asked Tim Post about it when this came up (see [this chat message and a few after that (mod-only)](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/12469288#12469288))" CreationDate="2013-12-05T19:54:49.257" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5649" PostId="1237" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist, I see." CreationDate="2013-12-05T20:52:04.783" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5650" PostId="1237" Score="0" Text="Your solution is somehow dual to what I suggest; personally, I consider it as desirable if this can be (also) done on the source site (and IMO there is no reason at all for not checking for those, basically this seems like an oversight/bug  to me). In addition, for the specific case of MO and math.SE it would be especially helpful if the synonyms on the *source* site would also be taken into account as a lot of the problem in practice here is due to our top-level prefixes and we have anyway synonyms for the nonprefixed tags, whil to create the prefixed one on math.SE seems weird." CreationDate="2013-12-05T22:40:59.340" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5660" PostId="1238" Score="0" Text="Stefan, thank you for the edit (I'm removing my comments as no longer relevant)." CreationDate="2013-12-06T15:05:30.073" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="5662" PostId="1238" Score="1" Text="My apologies; I hadn't seen the comment activity before posting my answer (which in any case makes oblique and hopefully tame reference to an earlier version of the question)." CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:04:54.290" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5900" PostId="1238" Score="2" Text="For what it's worth, I ask a ton of questions on MO, and I really don't care about the point system. I ask questions because I want to talk about math, and I want to hear what the experts think on certain subjects, or if certain subjects are well studied, among other reasons. I'm pretty sure nobody is asking questions to get more points. Usually they just want answers." CreationDate="2013-12-18T21:21:48.667" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="5902" PostId="1238" Score="2" Text="@JonBeardsley: I'd say, 58 questions in 3 years is rather not a big ton of questions ... ." CreationDate="2013-12-18T21:31:17.390" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="24204" PostId="1238" Score="0" Text="how is this specific to math overflow? why not ask on meta se?" CreationDate="2020-11-23T14:01:30.867" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="5666" PostId="1239" Score="0" Text="Thanks! -- Since on a first glance your second paragraph and my question may be seen to represent opposite opinions, I'd just like to point out that this is actually not the case. -- In particular I think that *within reason* one can well consider rewarding good questions more than now. -- Just rather not unlimited, in particular if someone asks only questions." CreationDate="2013-12-06T18:37:21.830" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5667" PostId="1239" Score="0" Text="Stefan: If you have a concrete proposal along these lines, please feel free to share it (the MO.3 discussion that I implicitly linked to -- see the second link -- might be a good place)." CreationDate="2013-12-06T19:02:09.597" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5669" PostId="1239" Score="6" Text="Todd: There are really many possibilities, and I don't really have&#xA;a favorite proposal. -- I think it should just be anything along the lines of:&#xA;&quot;Think of MO as a person who greatly values being asked a good question&#xA;from time to time, but who gets annoyed by not well-thought questions&#xA;and who sometimes also has a question him-/herself and is deeply grateful&#xA;to you for a good answer then. -- Don't think of MO as an answering machine.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-06T22:49:06.693" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5664" PostId="1240" Score="0" Text="I think this is a good point. -- Though it is hard to guess people's motivation, or what would change if the 'rules' would be different in this or that respect." CreationDate="2013-12-06T17:36:27.353" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5675" PostId="1240" Score="2" Text="The two users that in my opinion were the worst two as regards &quot;flooding the site with questions&quot; (that were IMO questionable but not universally perceived as bad, which I agree with OP of q is worse than clearly off-topic things) did not do that much beyond that. And, I am sure they were sure they contributed something positive. (I do not want to name the two; not those that got mentioned in the thread; you, in the sense of OP of answer, likely can guess one of them if you recall some discussion about one of my 'favorite' questions)." CreationDate="2013-12-07T13:32:35.807" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5676" PostId="1240" Score="5" Text="To clarify what I mean let me add that I agree that there are certainly reasons other than the point-system why some  might post too much content of some form, yet I still think that fact that one gets point plays an important role. Even if the behavior is not (initially) motivated by points, I still think that it is rewarded by points justifies the behavior for the users. These things were even made explict sometimes. Somebody complains to some such user about too much posting, and they reply something like: what are you complaining about *obviously* I contribute something positive." CreationDate="2013-12-07T13:43:11.380" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5670" PostId="1241" Score="4" Text="I think you can go to your profile, click _favorites_ , and then choos the _added_ link above the list of your favorite questions to get them sorted in accordance with when you added them, if I am not wrong ..." CreationDate="2013-12-06T22:50:03.067" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="5672" PostId="1241" Score="1" Text="@Dilaton: oh, that's nice. I hadn't noticed that!" CreationDate="2013-12-07T09:56:03.703" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="5673" PostId="1242" Score="5" Text="Sure -- the worst questions *as such* are usually homework problems. -- But such questions are usually quickly closed / removed, and I cannot remember a case where a student has posted really a lot of them. Also, homework questions don't bring anyone in the position to take much influence on the scope of the site. As long as this is so, I think they are hardly more than a little nuisance ... ." CreationDate="2013-12-07T11:45:53.323" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5674" PostId="1242" Score="10" Text="@StefanKohl yes for the moment, but I think it is a good idea for MathOverflow to warily watch these developments. For example on Physics SE, which had a decent but not exclusively research level once, the number of popular, very basic, and bad homework questions ramped up after the last election a year ago. This brought too many people, who are not knowledgeable about advanced topics but SE politically very active, into positions to determine the scope of the site (&gt; 3000 rep). It is them who are dominating for example the close/reopen queues at present, which is not good to say the least ..." CreationDate="2013-12-07T12:41:54.857" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="5681" PostId="1245" Score="6" Text="Quid, will you be speaking? We'd be happy to link to your talk." CreationDate="2013-12-08T01:01:09.530" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5682" PostId="1245" Score="5" Text="No. That'd been a fun way to identify myself though :-) Maybe another year." CreationDate="2013-12-08T01:11:40.507" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5683" PostId="1245" Score="4" Text="Well, we'll all look forward to that!" CreationDate="2013-12-08T01:12:25.487" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5685" PostId="1246" Score="11" Text="More to the point though, I don't think those questions are being encouraged by the point system. They are encouraged by the hope of getting quick answers. (I also think &quot;flood&quot; is hyperbole, but that's a separate question.)" CreationDate="2013-12-08T04:11:24.970" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5684" PostId="1247" Score="1" Text="I agree that one could ask a reasonable question about prescribing the growth of groups.  However, this is not it.  For instance, I don't know what the OP means by &quot;manifold&quot;, and I don't know exactly what the OP means with regards to a growth function, e.g. what's the equivalence relation?  For instance, as written he might have a specific function and want a group with a specific finite generating set realizing that specific function on the nose.  Someone (either you or the OP) should rewrite the question before it is reopened." CreationDate="2013-12-08T03:13:25.897" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5688" PostId="1248" Score="33" Text="I explicitly encourage my undergraduate students to ask questions about their homework on math.SE, and many of them have learned a lot this way. There is no sense in which they are cheating." CreationDate="2013-12-08T17:11:36.393" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5689" PostId="1248" Score="21" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins : You are free to teach your students in any way you like.  However, I think that the majority of people would object if they learned that their students were getting their problems solved on the internet.  Moreover, since you *explicitly* suggest math.se to them, they are not the ones posting here." CreationDate="2013-12-08T17:13:49.030" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5690" PostId="1248" Score="4" Text="(and don't you think that a student copying their hw problems onto math.se without explicit permission from their instructor is morally problematic?)" CreationDate="2013-12-08T17:16:12.027" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5691" PostId="1248" Score="22" Text="I think that there are many people who share my view. It is quite common for homework to be assigned but not collected or graded, with the point being to provide problems that the students can use to develop their knowledge. They are tested on their knowledge via quizzes and exams." CreationDate="2013-12-08T17:17:18.343" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5692" PostId="1248" Score="3" Text="OK, let me make my statement more precise.  Do you agree that if 1. homework is collected and graded for correctness, and 2. an instructor has not explicitly told the students that it is fine to post it on places like math.se, then it is morally problematic for the student to post their homework on math.se?  I suppose you might then claim that we should assume that students who post do not fit the above description, but my experience with undergraduates tells me that dishonesty is the rule rather than the exception." CreationDate="2013-12-08T17:23:12.213" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5693" PostId="1248" Score="21" Text="I view a student asking about a homework problem on math.SE as basically similar to them asking at a tutoring center or asking a graduate student for help or another professor. If a professor does not allow this kind of assistance when a student has questions on homework, then I would find that professor's ideas on pedagogy to be flawed. But in any case, it would be an issue between the student and his or her professor, which needn't concern us. Instead, we should be in the business of answering mathematics questions, and providing the best answers that we can." CreationDate="2013-12-08T17:52:29.457" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5694" PostId="1248" Score="10" Text="And I might add that I doubt that you will be able to deduce just from someone asking a homework question that they are in the situation you have described in your comment, instead of the (completely innocent) situation that I have in mind." CreationDate="2013-12-08T17:56:49.430" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5696" PostId="1248" Score="2" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins : I think you're being a little naive with regards to the honesty of the typical student.  And the TA and the tutoring center do not (or at least should not) provide instant complete answers that students can copy down.  I know that not everyone on math.se does either, but enough do..." CreationDate="2013-12-08T18:41:46.383" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5697" PostId="1248" Score="15" Text="In my experience, students learn more if homework is for training &#xA;and not for examination, since the learning atmosphere is much better then,&#xA;and the students are much more motivated. And if you do grade written&#xA;homework, you can anyway often not decide what is cheating, semi-cheating,&#xA;perhaps-cheating, rather honest but who knows, etc. -- also without&#xA;Q/A sites. All in all, I see nothing wrong in referring students&#xA;to Math.SE if they need help." CreationDate="2013-12-08T18:42:27.610" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5698" PostId="1248" Score="4" Text="@Andy, I believe that you may be depriving your students of an outstanding resource for learning mathematics. (And based on your comment you may also be depriving them of the benefits that come from greater exposure to fully-worked-out properly explained examples.)" CreationDate="2013-12-08T18:47:17.957" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5699" PostId="1248" Score="7" Text="It is perhaps worth noting that Andy and Joel work in very different teaching environments, and what is appropriate in one may or may not be appropriate in the other.  (Not only the students, but especially different financial constraints on TAs and graders.)" CreationDate="2013-12-08T19:08:20.323" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="5700" PostId="1248" Score="14" Text="Personally, I think it's abundantly clear that both: 1) At least 10% of the traffic on m.SE is people who have no interest in learning simply outsourcing their homework.  2) At least 10% of the traffic is questions related to homework but which is genuinely helpful to learning.  (I'm not confident about whether those numbers are 10% or 20% or 30%, nor that I could with complete accuracy tell one from the other.)  So in a real sense Andy and Joel are both right here about how m.SE is being used." CreationDate="2013-12-08T19:11:36.403" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="5701" PostId="1248" Score="2" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins : All of us make pedagogical choices that we feel are right for our students, and this is not the right venue to debate those choices (which as Noah says concern very different populations of students; at my institution, the student body is small enough that our students have basically unlimited access to graduate-student TA's and faculty).  I do think that one should be very explicit with students as to what sources they are allowed to consult.  I would hope that no-one would suggest MO to their undergraduate students, so I think it is safe to assume that students asking" CreationDate="2013-12-08T19:40:10.133" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5702" PostId="1248" Score="1" Text="(continued) questions here do *not* have explicit permission from their instructors.  Pointing them to math.SE thus seems inappropriate." CreationDate="2013-12-08T19:41:39.623" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5703" PostId="1248" Score="3" Text="Since you seem to have so relatively bad opinions about undergraduate students I am surprised the idea that someone  explains carefully the difference between MO and math.SE  the students do not pay much attention and then somehow get to the wrong site does not occur to you. :-) More directly, your last argument seems a bit artificial and purely designed to save your initial position." CreationDate="2013-12-08T20:26:20.203" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5704" PostId="1248" Score="2" Text="@quid : A syllabus should be explicit about what sources a student is allowed to consult.  In particular, it should give the website math.stackexchange.com if that is allowed." CreationDate="2013-12-08T20:32:05.120" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5705" PostId="1248" Score="12" Text="I can see the idea in mentioning whether it is allowed to use the internet (or maybe even the more specific instance of asking people via the internet). But explicitly mentioning math.stackexchange.com as allowed or not seems like mentioning whether separate sections of the library are allowed to be used individually." CreationDate="2013-12-08T20:57:07.390" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5707" PostId="1248" Score="10" Text="@AndyPutnam, while I absolutely agree that many students are using these sites to cheat, many are also using it legitimately. For example, I told my (functional analysis) students that they could ask questions about the course on m.SE, and that it was essential in written assignments that they cited all their sources. I think they posted some good questions on m.SE last semester, duly cited! They weren't even just quotes of my stated questions, but sensible questions about a step they had trouble with." CreationDate="2013-12-08T21:08:36.020" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5708" PostId="1248" Score="1" Text="Asking questions about homework is not synonymous with cheating, and ignoring this unfortunately makes your excellent point about the abhorrence of cheating weaker." CreationDate="2013-12-08T21:09:39.257" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5709" PostId="1248" Score="13" Text="In addition to the issue that asking HW might not be cheating, even assuming for the sake of argument it would be, there is still the problem that something can **look like** a HW question while it actually is not, eg, somebody could be self-studying and post an excercise straight from a textbook. Do you propose to ban this too? Or, how do you propose to tell the two apart?" CreationDate="2013-12-08T21:24:01.200" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5710" PostId="1248" Score="23" Text="This is a fascinating pedagogical discussion! This is irrelevant to the discussion, but... I noticed an interesting question on MSE, my type of geometric question. Then I realized that it was an exact quote from my own textbook, which is why I thought it was my type of question! Further investigation showed that this user was quoting verbatim my exercises in that book. I actually did not mind the quotation, but I *did* mind that the quotation was not acknowledged as a quotation from a textbook." CreationDate="2013-12-08T22:45:36.093" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5713" PostId="1248" Score="2" Text="I should have cited the link: [&quot;User asking exercises from textbook without so identifying&quot;](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/10772/237). Quite an interesting discussion!, revealing rather different underlying attitudes." CreationDate="2013-12-09T00:25:16.363" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="5714" PostId="1248" Score="4" Text="@Andy, I recently switched to Joel's view of assignments, that assignments are for students to learn and practice not to test them. My reason was simple: it has become impossible to enforce strict rules about assignments (even if one uses tools like http://turnitin.com/). When I cannot check if a student has asked about the question on some online forum I am being unfair to the honest ones who do not use such forums." CreationDate="2013-12-09T00:27:40.473" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5716" PostId="1248" Score="1" Text="I still tell them that they have to think about the problems by themselves and try to solve them to develop their problem solving skills before discussing them with others. The ones who don't cheat themselves and usually have trouble in tests. But for assignments I am fine as long as they write what they understand in their own words and acknowledge any source they have used. It is something I can check if I need to: ask the student to explain the solution orally. I think it is much more helpful in building honesty in the students than asking them to follow some rule that I cannot enforce." CreationDate="2013-12-09T00:35:14.123" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="5717" PostId="1248" Score="3" Text="I wish I could upvote this 10,000 times." CreationDate="2013-12-09T01:40:01.350" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5719" PostId="1248" Score="8" Text="It's been pointed out, correctly, that sites like math.se can be legitimate and useful tools in the learning process, and that diligent students who are struggling with homework problems might benefit from those tools. But many of the homework problems that pop up here (and there) are straightforward applications of simple definitions, and are clearly intended simply to ensure that the student has taken the trouble to read and digest those definitions. Students who turn to the Internet without bothering to take that trouble should, I think, receive absolutely no encouragement of any kind." CreationDate="2013-12-09T03:17:16.680" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5723" PostId="1248" Score="2" Text="@quid But plenty of people at MSE do close questions that are nothing but a copy-pasted exercise. The idea is that the student will learn more from explaining more about where they are stuck and then getting good hints." CreationDate="2013-12-09T08:44:58.703" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5724" PostId="1248" Score="3" Text="@StevenLandsburg Indeed, and there are people on MSE who try to enforce this sort of pedagogy, by attempting to engage in a Socratic dialogue with those asking such questions. At the moment, there are unfortunately also a lot of people who prefer to just  answer such questions for easy reputation." CreationDate="2013-12-09T08:46:09.337" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5727" PostId="1248" Score="2" Text="@Tobias, there are also sound pedagogical reasons to prefer fuller answers---what you describe as Socractic dialogue many students might call answering-in-riddles. For a student genuinely struggling with basic definitions, the Aha! moment can be created with exposure to a fully reasoned solution." CreationDate="2013-12-09T12:13:13.510" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5728" PostId="1248" Score="14" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no. Judging which it is can unfortunately be hard (even when speaking to the student in person). Sometimes, the Socratic dialogue will end up with the student being given a full solution, and sometimes, it will end before that. Starting with the full solution will mean that this intermediate process can never happen, and if the question contains nothing more than the statement as the student has been given it, there is no way to tell which is the better way for that student without first attempting the dialogue." CreationDate="2013-12-09T12:19:51.243" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5729" PostId="1248" Score="2" Text="I am in favour of giving questioners the benefit of the doubt, since it is not clear what rules their course (if any) runs under.  All instructors are aware of the possibility of cheating, and can try to get questions and perhaps users deleted if there is flagrant violation of plagiarism or copyright rules.  Much more problematic are sites that are not publicly accessible/searchable, and students paying for others to do their homework.  I don't expect formal examinations to disappear any time soon." CreationDate="2013-12-09T12:20:12.487" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="5730" PostId="1248" Score="0" Text="For those question that really just need the student to look up a few definitions and write down what they say in the specific cases given, it is usually better for the students to be told to at least do that step first, and see they formulation. That will say a lot about where they struggle." CreationDate="2013-12-09T12:20:56.187" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5731" PostId="1248" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft I assume you wrote this comment before/without reading my answer. That being said my comment to which you reply is admittedly not phrased too well. The main point I wanted to make is that in addition to it perhaps not always being unethical to ask a homework question that *presumed* HW question might just as well not be a HW at all but something else in which case direct or indirect accusations of cheating are even less appripriate. Confusions of this type do/did happen in practice and sometimes caused hard feelings.  If you followed meta since a while..." CreationDate="2013-12-09T12:37:02.573" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5732" PostId="1248" Score="0" Text="@quid I did indeed write it before seeing your answer. I generally follow meta quite closely (both here and on MSE), and I agree that such accusations have caused a lot of hard feeling. Also, such accusations, or the possibility of them tends to get dragged into all debates on PSQ on the MSE meta, whether or not they really belong there." CreationDate="2013-12-09T12:42:47.883" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5734" PostId="1248" Score="1" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: &quot;	 For those question that really just need the student to look up a few definitions and write down what they say in the specific cases given, it is usually better for the students to be told to at least do that step first, and see they formulation.&quot; I absolutely disagree. Students who can't be bothered to take that step on their own should not, in my opinion, get even an iota of encouragement.   I also think it's a service to these students to point out that they shouldn't be taking math courses." CreationDate="2013-12-09T15:28:35.137" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5737" PostId="1248" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft thank you for the reply. Actually I meant the comment as first art of two part comment but got distracted before finishing it. What I meant to add is that I on various occasions I argued strongly in favor of a general culture of context and motivation in MO questions. Sometimes facing quite some opposition, incidentally I think at some occasion including OP. I said frequently that deviating from 'how to ask' too much IMO is valid reason for closure. (cont)" CreationDate="2013-12-09T17:23:43.453" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5738" PostId="1248" Score="2" Text="What I do not think is a good idea is to let the perceived level and (thus) HW likeliness influence one reception of a q so much as to justify a hostile reception (the suggestion in OP is not hostile but there are things along these lines) and to make one claim that moderately helpful receptions of these questions are *unethical.* THere are various reasons why I think this is not a good idea, but a main one is that it is simply an empirical fact that people do make errors in judgement regarding HW or legitimate question." CreationDate="2013-12-09T17:24:05.140" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5739" PostId="1248" Score="2" Text="@StevenLandsburg it is a bit strong that you think you can know based on one question what is or is not good for that user you think is a student asking a HW. Even if somebody is asking a HW and even if it is cheating in this case this thus really not always mean that it would be best for the student to stop taking math courses; it could have been an unfortunate period in their live and soon it will be better or all kinds of things. Or also:" CreationDate="2013-12-09T17:29:44.953" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5740" PostId="1248" Score="4" Text="Some of the students might strongly agree with you that they should not **be forced to** take math courses (or this particular math course). But somehow somebody decided if they want that engineering degree or if they want to teach in high-school  or various other things, well then they *must* pass that (or those) math course, the content of which they consider as pretty irrelevant for their future life (which sometimes though not always might even be true). To tell them they should not take it could simply be making fun of them and creates a generally worse atmosphere." CreationDate="2013-12-09T17:33:01.050" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5744" PostId="1248" Score="2" Text="@quid:  &quot;Even if somebody is asking a HW and even if it is cheating in this case .... &quot;  I think you missed my point.  In this particular comment, I wasn't talking about cheating; I was talking about not having enough interest or ambition to look up a definition." CreationDate="2013-12-09T18:22:57.847" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5745" PostId="1248" Score="8" Text="@StevenLandsburg maybe slightly, but mainly my point still stands. (In addition I am not sure you  make such comments only in these cases; I got away with the impression you make them generally on HW type questions.) They seem to have enough interest and ambition to ask on the internet, which arguably could be more effort. So perhaps it is not lack of ambition or interest, but simply that they are completely lost. As said already some time ago I consider comments bashing possible HW-q askers as pointless at best." CreationDate="2013-12-09T18:40:45.177" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5711" PostId="1249" Score="9" Text="I think that there is a substantial difference between the idea that one is &quot;responsible to prevent cheating on HW&quot; on the one hand, the idea that &quot;it is my obligation to do nothing if I see what may be cheating on [someone else's] homework&quot; on the other, and (to play the octopus), the idea that &quot;if I see something that is very likely to be cheating, to say something.&quot; When I was still in SE, there were people who were very vocal that it was the *obligation* of SE users to do *nothing* but answer questions. And there were people who were very vocal that it was (cont)" CreationDate="2013-12-08T23:19:52.353" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="5712" PostId="1249" Score="3" Text="(cont) the *obligation* to stop any and all cheating (i.e., first and second hands above). However, I really see nothing wrong with the middle road. But whenever I attempted to take it, I would get jumped on by the &quot;you must do nothing but answer questions, and anything else is deeply offensive and likely to scare off potential contributors&quot; crowd (and yes, there was more than one person expousing it)." CreationDate="2013-12-08T23:22:12.253" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="5725" PostId="1249" Score="4" Text="@ArturoMagidin This is unfortunately still the case, and the &quot;do nothing&quot; has been expanded by &quot;you should not close questions, as that limits potential contributors' possibilities for answering, which is a bad thing&quot; which seems to be the opinion of a few people who state it whenever these issues come up." CreationDate="2013-12-09T08:49:38.323" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5736" PostId="1249" Score="11" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: That's too bad. I can see the case for not *automatically* assuming that there is something inappropriate going on, but I think that it is just as morally troublesome to purposefully close your eyes to potential wrong doing simply because &quot;if it is a problem, it's not *my* problem&quot;. Worse when the justification seems to be &quot;and if it is a problem, it is the fault of the person who set it up in the first place&quot; (that is, those who say that if asking on .SE is 'cheating', then it's because the teacher is an incompetent stuck in the past. Sigh." CreationDate="2013-12-09T17:22:42.897" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="5741" PostId="1249" Score="2" Text="@ArturoMagidin abstractly I do not disagree. However to declare already pointing somebody asking a certain type of question that might be HW and that thus might be cheating to a site where they might get a solution as an unethical act is in my opinion trying *too* hard to prevent cheating. And I said trying too hard creates problems. As said many times and now in a comment, I am very strongly in favor of having a general culture of context and motivation, which would allow to prevent a lot of problems without the need to make some assumptions and &quot;ethical&quot; judgements based on hardly any info." CreationDate="2013-12-09T17:40:40.310" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5742" PostId="1249" Score="4" Text="In addition, all this ethical and moral talk is a bit tricky. What if somebody considers certain ways of grading as a problem? Perhaps it is then their moral duty to undermine them as much as possible? What I mean to say is, I consider it as a lot more productive if these discussion focus on practical and actionable solutions that increase the quality of the site(s) rather than some genral talk  about moral and ethics and what not." CreationDate="2013-12-09T17:47:57.770" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5743" PostId="1249" Score="6" Text="@quid I think the moral issue with grading is quite relevant. While I see value in requiring students to reference sources used, I think &quot;moral codes&quot; that prohibit students to read books or look at the internet repugnant. That's like a teacher in a political science class forbidding students to read the newspaper." CreationDate="2013-12-09T17:56:33.297" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="5746" PostId="1249" Score="4" Text="@quid: Yes, I agree that trying too hard can be a problem; but I find automatically dismissing any qualms as a pedagogical (or moral) failing to be just as big a problem. Frankly, when I was told that asking someone who had been posting many (half a dozen, a dozen) questions that were all in the form of homework questions, etc., *whether* this was from an assignment, that I was being offensive, morally deficient, and quite possibly an incompetent teacher to boot... well, why would that be okay? I feel (mild) moral outrage when someone else exceeds the speed limit; I feel the same way with this" CreationDate="2013-12-09T19:20:51.890" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="5747" PostId="1249" Score="9" Text="@quid: I don't think that we have an obligation to close our eyes, just as we don't have an obligation to be automatically suspicious. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I found the &quot;how dare you ask if it is homework&quot; crowd to be more toxic for me than the &quot;Is this homework?&quot;-at-everything crowed; but of course I was on the receiving end of the former but not the latter. I think both are a problem, with the former being detrimental to some participants and the latter to others." CreationDate="2013-12-09T19:25:49.437" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="5748" PostId="1249" Score="12" Text="@Quid: I should probably add: although JDH is a strong proponent of the &quot;don't ask whether it is homework&quot; and even of the &quot;if asking here is cheating then there's something wrong with the way the class is being taught&quot; camp, in my experience he never jumped on people for asking &quot;Is this homework?&quot; or variants. Rather, he tends to express his (strong) opinion in meta-threads that surface about the matter. It was really certain other people that contributed to drive me away from SE in part because of that attitude." CreationDate="2013-12-09T19:29:10.753" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="5749" PostId="1249" Score="0" Text="@ArturoMagidin I know math.SE a bit but not very much. Yes, I did see some discussions too that I felt exaggerated in the other direction, too. And, as said I certainly have no problem if people ask in a friendly or at least neutral way about the context of a problem (and close it if it is not provided or is not appropriate), as opposed to simply assuming some context (especially if it is an inappropriate one) or also just always answering whatever is asked." CreationDate="2013-12-09T20:13:47.950" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5751" PostId="1249" Score="18" Text="@Arturo: I know this is not the place to say it, but still, MSE (both in content, and in community spirit) misses your extremely valuable contributions." CreationDate="2013-12-09T21:24:19.303" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5760" PostId="1252" Score="3" Text="I can confirm this. I'm using Firefox on Mac OS X." CreationDate="2013-12-10T17:04:17.753" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="5764" PostId="1252" Score="0" Text="Hasn't it been like this for a while? Anyway, it's the same on Chrome for OSX. I get the same misalignment on Safari on my iPhone too." CreationDate="2013-12-10T21:01:40.623" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="5767" PostId="1252" Score="0" Text="@YuichiroFujiwara: The Wayback Machine has profile captures from October. But the results are confusing. For example, for the same user on two dates, Oct 10th and Oct 31st, the earlier one is bad and the later one is good: http://web.archive.org/web/20131010103920/http://mathoverflow.net/users/9072/quid and http://web.archive.org/web/20131031073637/http://mathoverflow.net/users/9072/quid" CreationDate="2013-12-10T22:19:03.143" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="5759" PostId="1253" Score="8" Text="I think there are more 'doubtful' badges -- think e.g. of someone trying to get the 'copy editor' badge (http://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/33/copy-editor) as quick as possible ... ." CreationDate="2013-12-10T16:25:16.390" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5762" PostId="1253" Score="17" Text="I hope nobody here goes around on all sites picking question in order to earn gold badges... come on, that's not real gold" CreationDate="2013-12-10T18:39:18.010" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="5763" PostId="1253" Score="2" Text="Another way to get a gold badge (and cheating the system) is to reload your own question 10000 times." CreationDate="2013-12-10T19:29:57.357" UserId="18756" />
  <row Id="5765" PostId="1253" Score="4" Text="@DagOskarMadsen: This requires a certain waiting time (some minutes, but how long exactly?)  between two reloads, since otherwise the counter is not incremented for each reloading of the page from the same IP address -- so you'd need to be pretty patient!" CreationDate="2013-12-10T21:35:05.910" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5768" PostId="1253" Score="1" Text="The tag ([meta-tag:badges]) seems to be appropriate for this question. (I do not have enough rep to edit your post, so I am posting a comment instead.)" CreationDate="2013-12-11T06:32:02.567" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5769" PostId="1253" Score="2" Text="An example: I have seen some links to MO and MSE posted on Google Plus by Andres Caicedo. I guess he has among his followers/friends many mathematicians, so exactly the audience MO is aimed at. I think that similar thing might be true if you find links to questions here on a blog by some known mathematician." CreationDate="2013-12-11T06:37:17.557" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5770" PostId="1253" Score="21" Text="Speaking only for myself, we could do without *all* the badges." CreationDate="2013-12-11T10:15:50.113" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="20183" PostId="1253" Score="0" Text="@PietroMajer Fields medal is also not real gold, and I think there were some people who actively pursued it (some even were successful; my source of information is autobiographies, not super-accurate but accurate enough I think). Would you also say &quot;come on&quot; to them?" CreationDate="2019-06-01T12:25:42.697" UserDisplayName="user140765" />
  <row Id="20184" PostId="1253" Score="1" Text="Excuse me for only giving the short answer to your question, which is the following: no." CreationDate="2019-06-01T12:30:25.580" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="26330" PostId="1253" Score="0" Text="@user140765: The Fields medal is real gold: https://www.mathunion.org/imu-awards/fields-medal" CreationDate="2021-08-22T11:39:42.620" UserId="8103" />
  <row Id="5819" PostId="1254" Score="3" Text="I think you misunderstand.  The nuisance is in attracting many visitors who don't really understand the site and post off-topic questions." CreationDate="2013-12-15T10:15:46.177" UserId="1463" />
  <row Id="5820" PostId="1254" Score="0" Text="I don't think i misunderstood. My last sentence was intended to mean that we can already deal with off topic questions. Speaking only for myself, but i am willing to read and flag and vote on tens of off topic questions, just to read that (weekly) 2 or 3 very interesting ones!" CreationDate="2013-12-15T10:41:17.013" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="5761" PostId="1255" Score="25" Text="This is a bit too simple a view. The issue is that somebody visiting the site (without posting) never coming back and somebody becoming a regular participant (in the sense of contributing *valuable* content) are not the only possibilities. These three might just as well (actually quite a bit more likely, in my opinion) post yet more off-topic questions." CreationDate="2013-12-10T18:01:28.187" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5777" PostId="1255" Score="7" Text="My answer stands.  Even if we get 997 people posting off-topic and 3 people posting on-topic, it is worth it.  We do *not* want to keep out those 3, even at the expense of the 997." CreationDate="2013-12-11T15:34:23.320" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="5783" PostId="1255" Score="30" Text="How many people would leave because of 997 off-topic posts?" CreationDate="2013-12-11T18:36:31.370" UserId="806" />
  <row Id="6876" PostId="1255" Score="2" Text="If people post off-topic content their posts will be closed, and they will learn what's not appropriate for the site. These aren't automata you're talking about-- they're real people." CreationDate="2014-02-19T18:38:27.677" UserId="238" />
  <row Id="5771" PostId="1256" Score="1" Text="It seems that tabs in profiles are back to their correct position, however, tabs on answers are too high for a change now (you can see it at this very page)." CreationDate="2013-12-11T11:44:07.910" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5772" PostId="1256" Score="1" Text="This seems now fixed, too. The remaining nitpick is something I normally wouldn’t even notice, and it seems browser-dependent (I can see it in Firefox, but it displays correctly in Opera): the tabs appear horizontally misaligned by one pixel with the horizontal lines. This manifests as a white spot at the lower right corners of unselected tabs, and (even harder to notice) at the lower left corner of the selected tab." CreationDate="2013-12-11T14:17:01.987" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5773" PostId="1256" Score="0" Text="Hmm. And in a (rather old version of) Konqueror, there are white spots at both corners of unselected tabs, whereas the selected tab is all right." CreationDate="2013-12-11T14:19:06.260" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5775" PostId="1256" Score="0" Text="Oh. In Chrome, there are tringular-shaped glitches at both corners. So it’s probably not a misalignment after all, but browser-dependent implementation of the junction of two differently coloured borders." CreationDate="2013-12-11T14:37:18.457" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5780" PostId="1256" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: The missing pixel in one or both corners of the tab, and the Chrome issue, was reported two days ago in http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/210712/147362, with &quot;status-declined&quot;." CreationDate="2013-12-11T16:17:39.087" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="5782" PostId="1256" Score="2" Text="I'll take a closer look." CreationDate="2013-12-11T17:00:46.627" UserId="25691" />
  <row Id="5798" PostId="1256" Score="2" Text="@jzy: Thank you for all the effort you are putting in these matters." CreationDate="2013-12-12T17:33:16.723" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5778" PostId="1257" Score="9" Text="Ironically, this is more of a comment than an answer :)" CreationDate="2013-12-11T16:00:45.127" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="5779" PostId="1257" Score="3" Text="This question though seems better for the old meta as it is very discussion-oriented, which leads to lots of comments to try to thread things." CreationDate="2013-12-11T16:01:26.817" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="5784" PostId="1257" Score="4" Text="What do you mean by too late? Is there any deadline to resolve this question after which all hell will break loose?" CreationDate="2013-12-11T20:48:12.053" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5791" PostId="1257" Score="12" Text="&quot;In my opinion, more effort should be directed towards answering this query and not just commenting.&quot; But that's an issue to be dealth with at MSE rather than MO, yes? In your anecdote, it wasn't *this* site that was referred to as one where undergraduates go to cheat at homework." CreationDate="2013-12-11T21:27:51.933" UserId="4137" />
  <row Id="5786" PostId="1258" Score="9" Text="I think this comment is too dismissive.  For instance, I haven't met Joel David Hamkins or seen him teach, but if you look at the care he puts into his MO contributions and his well thought-out comments under the original question above, I'd be very surprised if he didn't &quot;take the time to do [his] job&quot;.  Sure, you and Joel seem to have different approaches to teaching, but that doesn't mean either of you is neglectful." CreationDate="2013-12-11T21:02:56.223" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="5787" PostId="1258" Score="8" Text="I don't think that telling students that they should avail themselves of all available resources (including, of course, a professor in the Department who makes him or herself available to his or her students), is &quot;[not] tak[ing] the time to do their job.&quot; At least one part of my graduate education included learning to use the resource of the University and Department library, and not just for my research: also to look for ideas for homework assignments. A professor that says &quot;math.SE is one possible resource&quot; is not necessarily shirking on the duties of a teacher." CreationDate="2013-12-11T21:05:24.930" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="5789" PostId="1258" Score="9" Text="I did not intend any ad hominem attack here. But I am sorely frustrated by what Math.SE has morphed into during my 9 months of activity there. And the deliciously interesting questions seem mostly to be disappearing or just buried where we can no longer find them because of the thousands of low-effort questions." CreationDate="2013-12-11T21:22:46.540" UserId="40245" />
  <row Id="5792" PostId="1258" Score="4" Text="I hope this does not come off as a &quot;stupid question&quot; it is not intended as such: in which way did math.SE change much in the last 9 month (except for getting still a bit higher volume)? I feel to remember (from a distance) all these debates  since basically &quot;always&quot; but I did not pay that much attention." CreationDate="2013-12-11T23:33:10.143" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5793" PostId="1258" Score="1" Text="@quid As Ed Dean says above, this is an MSE problem that should be resolved on MSE, but: as a very new user, even without knowing what the site was like 9 months ago, it's currently drenched in low-effort questions, either from people who aren't willing to put the effort into their self-study or people just looking for answers. It's frustrating and hurts what I think could be an interesting website." CreationDate="2013-12-11T23:56:22.353" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="5796" PostId="1258" Score="0" Text="Ted, Dmitry started grad school with me. He puts pretty much all the grade on the homework, and gives them the option of taking a final if it might raise their grade. It works, although it may take someone with Dmitry's personality to pull it off.  Anyway, see  http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=333850" CreationDate="2013-12-12T05:12:03.730" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="5797" PostId="1258" Score="4" Text="@Mike thank you for the reply. I agree this  might not be exactly on-topic here, but also my question is more specific than what you answered and not a general request about math.SE and some (perceived) problem. I asked in what way it changed *during the last 9 months*, since it was claimed here it changed significantly. My point being that I suspect it it actually didn't change that much but rather that Ted Shifrin's perception of it changed (which is normal and happens to me frequently for MO). Which is however relevant, as it helps to decide on urgency of counter-measures." CreationDate="2013-12-12T10:16:54.280" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5799" PostId="1258" Score="2" Text="Ted, do you forbid your students to use math.SE? If so, that would seem to be a pity, because students might learn a lot of mathematics there, both by asking and by answering questions." CreationDate="2013-12-13T18:18:08.127" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="5800" PostId="1258" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: I've never done so yet :) But I am very, very serious about academic honesty and I also hope students come to me in office hours rather than seeking outside &quot;help.&quot; I similarly hope they don't get my colleagues (senior undergraduates or graduate students, included) to do their homework. In most of the courses I teach, homework is a significant portion (30-35%) of the grade, and I often grade it myself. But, in interest of full disclosure, I have always been somewhat teaching-oriented in a research institution environment and am close to retirement, so I do not pay for this." CreationDate="2013-12-13T22:15:15.170" UserId="40245" />
  <row Id="5806" PostId="1258" Score="0" Text="Since you seem unable or unwilling to answer a simple request for clarification related to a claim you made, I take it you do not intend to maintain the claim." CreationDate="2013-12-14T17:58:25.060" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5807" PostId="1258" Score="3" Text="@quid: Honestly, I am not avoiding your challenge. I am in no position to provide data, but my personal impression is that we are now populated by a far larger number of questioners with very few rep points who are just plopping questions down in the room with zero sign of effort. I would hazard a guess that it's 3-4 times as many. Thanks for your adversarial tone." CreationDate="2013-12-14T18:15:26.873" UserId="40245" />
  <row Id="5809" PostId="1258" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the reply. Sorry if you did not like the tone, but I do not like being ignored, and so eventually I got your atttention. An increase in volume seems plausible to me, as hinted at, on the one hand as the general volume increased significantly and also since it seems unsurprising that now and recently  there is more hW being asked than a couple months before (due to the to be expected fluctuations following the academic year). Still this seems more like a quantitative change than a qualitative one (like hypothetically now there being people fully answering HW and not before)." CreationDate="2013-12-14T22:47:58.757" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5788" PostId="1260" Score="5" Text="To add to this: in the UK (at least), it often happens that homework is handed in and graded, but *without the grade counting for anything*.  The main purpose of such a grade is to help the student to know how well they're doing.  In the jargon, this is formative rather than summative assessment." CreationDate="2013-12-11T21:16:04.940" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="5790" PostId="1260" Score="0" Text="@TomLeinster,  I wouldn't call seeking help on MSE cheating unless the grade actually counts toward the student's final mark in the course. But I would be more willing to answer a question if I was sure the questioner didn't have access to grading or solutions." CreationDate="2013-12-11T21:26:29.043" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="5794" PostId="1260" Score="0" Text="I wasn't disagreeing, Ben - just adding information." CreationDate="2013-12-12T01:49:21.433" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="5795" PostId="1260" Score="0" Text="I understand, Tom. I was just trying to say that in the above one should interpret ungraded as not counting toward the final grade." CreationDate="2013-12-12T02:19:10.797" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="5802" PostId="1263" Score="3" Text="That would be too general and controversial. You might me able to ask a very specific focused question about a particular point in the proof if you can motivate it and put into context." CreationDate="2013-12-14T14:29:16.130" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="5803" PostId="1263" Score="8" Text="I agree for the general considerations with existing replies. For this particular paper: it is now at 30+ version on arXiv carried out over a year. This is a **huge** warning sign." CreationDate="2013-12-14T15:09:31.440" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5804" PostId="1263" Score="12" Text="The abstract link is here: http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.0954 . Please do not link directly to PDFs on arXiv. Clicking on the PDF link from the abstract page is trivial, whereas no link goes in the opposite direction, and one has to meddle with the URL manually." CreationDate="2013-12-14T15:52:57.857" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5808" PostId="1263" Score="5" Text="@Emil, to go the opposite direction click on the arXiv stamp on the left margin." CreationDate="2013-12-14T18:36:12.720" UserId="24165" />
  <row Id="5810" PostId="1263" Score="10" Text="@AntonKlyachko true, still it can be desirable (say on some mobile device), not having to open a pdf to find out which article is meant." CreationDate="2013-12-14T22:50:40.733" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5811" PostId="1263" Score="9" Text="Is it possible we could work out a scheme to discourage people from downvoting a question to indicate disagreement? I don't want to discourage people from checking on meta first!" CreationDate="2013-12-14T22:55:28.013" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5822" PostId="1263" Score="1" Text="@Scott Morrison This could worth a question on its own." CreationDate="2013-12-15T11:43:37.137" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="5823" PostId="1263" Score="2" Text="@ScottMorrison: Indeed, the question is definitely (in the context of meta) &quot;useful and clear&quot;." CreationDate="2013-12-15T11:55:56.010" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="5831" PostId="1263" Score="2" Text="Just posted http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1269/voting-on-meta-questions-to-indicate-agreement-or-disagreement" CreationDate="2013-12-15T23:50:38.303" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5805" PostId="1264" Score="6" Text="The paper in question is entry 95 on the list there." CreationDate="2013-12-14T16:52:29.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5812" PostId="1265" Score="2" Text="Vote to close with &quot;Off topic&quot; because &quot;This question belongs in another site on the StackExchange network&quot;, namely math.stackexchange.com. I think questions of this kind would be great there." CreationDate="2013-12-14T23:59:06.210" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="5813" PostId="1265" Score="4" Text="I also voted to close.  I don't think it is appropriate for MO to be used to check the correctness of one's proof." CreationDate="2013-12-15T00:32:44.563" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5814" PostId="1265" Score="0" Text="Okay, glad to hear I wasn't completely off base. Thanks" CreationDate="2013-12-15T00:41:50.123" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="5829" PostId="1265" Score="2" Text="Somebody would have to invent a MO type theory, then." CreationDate="2013-12-15T21:44:22.230" UserId="12166" />
  <row Id="5815" PostId="1266" Score="5" Text="Similar to the last quote, I would think a question of the form &quot;why doesn't this proof of Theorem X actually prove Stronger Statement Y?&quot; would in general be acceptable." CreationDate="2013-12-15T03:18:36.587" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="5816" PostId="1266" Score="3" Text="And certainly questions of the form &quot;can hypothesis A be removed from Theorem X&quot; have been asked many times on MO." CreationDate="2013-12-15T03:19:47.310" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="5817" PostId="1266" Score="6" Text="One proviso about published papers is that papers about famous open problems in obscure journals are not welcome (a little while ago, for instance, someone asked about a &quot;proof&quot; of Navier-Stokes that was published in an obscure journal somewhere, and it was IMHO rightfully closed).  Also, I don't think that even for published papers it would be usually acceptable to just ask if they are correct or not, though I can imagine some rare situations where it might." CreationDate="2013-12-15T04:36:46.410" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="5818" PostId="1266" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman Certainly I agree with those provisos (they are perfectly consonant with the rest of my response regarding ordinary MO standards); that paragraph is mainly to say that unpublished papers are generally off-limits." CreationDate="2013-12-15T04:42:45.253" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5824" PostId="1266" Score="5" Text="The opinion that it's OK to ask about the correctness of *published* papers is a special case of Ben's opinion that it's OK to ask about apparently contradictory facts.  Publication usually implies that someone other than the author believes that the paper is correct." CreationDate="2013-12-15T18:28:01.220" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="5825" PostId="1266" Score="3" Text="It used to imply that, Tom.  Not as much now." CreationDate="2013-12-15T19:55:52.307" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="27419" PostId="1266" Score="0" Text="Since the link at the beginning of this answer isn't working at the moment, here is a least a [link to Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20170602112759/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/973/where-is-the-hole-in-my-proof/)." CreationDate="2022-06-21T05:22:34.860" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5836" PostId="1269" Score="3" Text="Yep, exactly this is the typical Stack Exchange crowd behavior one can observe on the Meta part on many (in particlar the strongly by SE guidelines governed) sites in the network. Worst it gets on MSO, where no-nonsensical well thought out, and clearly formulated questions and suggestions get voted down like hell. There people simply do not discriminate between the legitimacy of the question and disagreement with what the question says or suggests ..." CreationDate="2013-12-16T01:31:35.353" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="5839" PostId="1269" Score="3" Text="Scott: Do you effectively suggest to make downvotes on meta have the same meaning as close votes?&#xA;-- If yes, why not make a feature proposal to remove the then-redundant possibility&#xA;to downvote questions on meta, and to make voting unidirectional (only upvotes)?" CreationDate="2013-12-16T10:23:08.290" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5841" PostId="1269" Score="3" Text="While I agree with the general sentiment I would still like to point out that the question that prompted (for all I know) this post in my opinion does not qualify as perfectly reasonable and I could well imagine that somebody downvoted it (while I did not) since it was not such a good question to begin with. That being said I still agree that it would be somehow nicer to leave non-offensive questions by newcomers in the non-negative score range." CreationDate="2013-12-16T17:23:27.047" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5842" PostId="1269" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl, no. A downvote just means you think it's a bad question or that there's something wrong with it, as usual. I don't think that's synonymous with a vote to close at all." CreationDate="2013-12-16T20:46:58.600" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5837" PostId="1270" Score="10" Text="Something about voting at meta has never felt quite right to me (I sometimes miss the set-up that we have now relegated to tea); it just seems a little weird to have every single discussion subjected to a popularity contest. That said, +1 to Tom's answer. :-)" CreationDate="2013-12-16T02:05:01.960" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5838" PostId="1270" Score="3" Text="+1 to Todd's comment too.  Issues shouldn't be reduced to a yes/no choice.  But Scott's question seemed to call for it." CreationDate="2013-12-16T02:18:35.803" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="5844" PostId="1274" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Theo, will do so soon, and will try to be clearer and more concise." CreationDate="2013-12-17T02:35:34.500" UserDisplayName="user44290" />
  <row Id="5847" PostId="1277" Score="3" Text="Was it the post of Mark Sapir here? http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/618/2926" CreationDate="2013-12-17T13:00:53.033" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5880" PostId="1277" Score="0" Text="Though you have already got your answer, I thougt it is worth mentioning this meta post http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/617/best-of-mathoverflow, that is a collection of successful MO stories, including the one you were interested in." CreationDate="2013-12-18T10:17:00.273" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="5881" PostId="1277" Score="0" Text="@AmirAsghari: you may have failed to notice that _that_ link was exactly the one Todd posted one comment above. `:-)` He linked to the relevant answer in the thread, while you linked to the question." CreationDate="2013-12-18T10:19:19.650" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="5886" PostId="1277" Score="0" Text="Oops :) It is @Todd fault, linking to two diffenent places! :)" CreationDate="2013-12-18T13:31:10.537" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="5852" PostId="1278" Score="0" Text="That's it! Thanks." CreationDate="2013-12-17T15:11:13.030" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6206" PostId="1278" Score="0" Text="Even though this is not directly related -- &#xA;Mark Sapir has stated *&quot;Most probably I won’t be active on mathoverflow.net any longer:&#xA;too many homework level questions and the community attitude towards these questions &#xA;has become too liberal.&quot;* -- see http://marksapir.wordpress.com/2013/10/25/mathoverflow/ ." CreationDate="2014-01-03T14:05:36.267" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6207" PostId="1278" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Hm, not sure what he means, since we seem to spend a lot of time closing such questions. Or perhaps I would say he has too liberal an attitude of what constitutes 'homework'." CreationDate="2014-01-03T14:28:21.333" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6211" PostId="1278" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: I can't tell for sure as well -- just thought it worth to provide the link, without attempting to interpret." CreationDate="2014-01-03T17:18:13.067" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5863" PostId="1281" Score="0" Text="I think this post could be much shorter and much more to-the-point." CreationDate="2013-12-17T22:49:59.317" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5865" PostId="1281" Score="0" Text="Likely true. I will give it another try. Added: I hope it is better now. Feel free to change it." CreationDate="2013-12-17T23:00:00.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5867" PostId="1281" Score="1" Text="Much better now. -- I just edited the title, since I felt it could still convey a little more information." CreationDate="2013-12-17T23:27:33.177" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5870" PostId="1281" Score="4" Text="By the way, it is probably best to not use \newcommand and similar mathjax commands at the very beginning of the post. Otherwise, that is pretty much all you see in the short excerpt which is shown in lists of questions and answers." CreationDate="2013-12-18T01:59:04.677" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5884" PostId="1281" Score="1" Text="Good point @RicardoAndrade! And thanks for the additional solutions. (In my very personal opinion it is even best to avoid newcommand not only at the start but altogether on MO; but this is a lost case.)" CreationDate="2013-12-18T10:59:25.337" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5908" PostId="1281" Score="0" Text="One reason to put definitions at the beginning is to avoid errors when the text is reordered during editing, and the definition ends up after its first use. These mistakes cannot be caught up in preview, because Mathjax does not forget definitions once it learned them in the same session, and the preview is reprocessed many times. (This was inadvertently demonstrated by the now deleted post by @Joel.)" CreationDate="2013-12-19T16:06:34.107" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5909" PostId="1281" Score="1" Text="@Emil Jeřábek: Whenever possible, I try to write a short introductory paragraph or sentence in which fancy commands are not required, and only then place \newcommand and similar declarations. However, it is possible this method may not work for everyone or all the time." CreationDate="2013-12-19T17:04:21.883" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5915" PostId="1281" Score="1" Text="@Ricardo Andrade: Right. I guess no method really works for everyone all the time, I just wanted to point out a factor that may be relevant for the decision which method to follow." CreationDate="2013-12-20T11:41:50.237" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="5883" PostId="1283" Score="0" Text="Sorry to hear that. I hope you find one of the other solutions more satisfactory. I agree it is not optimal; the reason why I propsed it is that it felt very simple to integrate in the worklflow of people putting newcommand at the start. One could do everything as always and delete the blanklines at the end. To suggest it is very likely to result in erros upon further edits seems like an exageration to me. Anyway, if you are very worried about errors upon further editing I'd recommend to avoid newcommand altogether." CreationDate="2013-12-18T10:56:13.310" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5878" PostId="1287" Score="0" Text="Best method in my opinion, and that's how I do it too." CreationDate="2013-12-18T06:26:04.120" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="5882" PostId="1287" Score="1" Text="Thanks for adding this. This method occured to me as well, but I did not dare to propose it as I was worried people would complain it would be &quot;crazy/ugly to parse, and seems [to me] very likely to result in errors upon further edits&quot; (quoting JDH on my proposed solution). To be clear *I* consider this as an alright method, that has the advantage of not having MathJax at the start but the disadvantage of it being a bit harder to get an overview when latter editing (though MO posts not being that complex MJ-wise typically this should be alright)." CreationDate="2013-12-18T10:47:38.827" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5874" PostId="1288" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, html comments appear to break sometimes if there is an empty line within the comment... Hence the random symbol `%` appears in the code above to create an &quot;empty&quot; separating line, which is meant to increase readability." CreationDate="2013-12-18T02:52:13.947" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5875" PostId="1288" Score="0" Text="In any case, I still think it is best to avoid using \newcommand at the very beginning of the post." CreationDate="2013-12-18T02:52:45.807" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="5887" PostId="1289" Score="7" Text="Related: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26964/auto-inserting-stack-overflow-affiliate-into-all-amazon-book-links" CreationDate="2013-12-18T15:33:13.270" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5888" PostId="1289" Score="5" Text="Personally, I've only ever hyperlinked for book references when there's a PDF copy (on the author's website)." CreationDate="2013-12-18T16:02:44.980" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="5912" PostId="1289" Score="3" Text="I most frequently use a link to Google Books. From there people can find links to various booksellers and other information about the book. I find particularly useful that I can link to a particular page using this format of links: `http://books.google.com/books?id=mjmPHAhJkmYC&amp;pg=PA61`, [test](http://books.google.com/books?id=mjmPHAhJkmYC&amp;pg=PA61). Of course, Google will not display the page to all users, so the question should be self-contained even without the book. But for the users who can view the link this may provide additional context." CreationDate="2013-12-20T08:01:51.790" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7590" PostId="1289" Score="1" Text="Somewhat related discussion on another meta: [To which site should we provide links to books?](http://meta.matheducators.stackexchange.com/questions/276/to-which-site-should-we-provide-links-to-books) from meta.matheducators.SE." CreationDate="2014-04-25T05:57:16.523" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="5897" PostId="1290" Score="6" Text="Unfortunately, it can be abused by someone whose goal is to sell books.  I would not be opposed to a MathOverflow member who has a book (or even up to three) which is relevant to answering a question, and that member links to his home page or publisher.  I would be opposed to a Springer representative or bot peppering MathOverflow with references to their online store, regardless of how relevant the books are to the answers.  Provide the title and publisher name, and let those who desire copy and paste into their own search field.  Gerhard &quot;Not Quite All That Matters&quot; Paseman, 2013.12.18" CreationDate="2013-12-18T19:31:20.687" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5898" PostId="1290" Score="8" Text="Gerhard:  If a Springer rep were to pepper MO with *useful* (and relevant) links, I think that would be all to the good.  The reason we recoil from such things is, I think, that we don't believe the rep would be either competent to know which links are useful, or willing to restrain himself.  But if the links are posted by people who *are* both competent and well-meaning, then I don't see the objection.  Which means, I think, that book links should be subject to the same criterion as anything else in a post:  If it's useful to the reader, it's good, and if not, not." CreationDate="2013-12-18T20:31:05.963" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5899" PostId="1290" Score="5" Text="I think it's a slippery slope, and that you seem confident of your footing.  I certainly don't want to keep publishing representatives from enhancing MathOverflow.  However, I am unlikely to buy more than one of their books this decade, and I am not sure how useful links to paywalled items or sales offers really are.  If you have a big enough wallet and these links serve you, go ahead and promote them.  I am concerned that it will lead to behaviour which in the long term leads to commercialism and the detriment of MathOverflow. Gerhard &quot;I'm Not Saying You're Wrong&quot; Paseman, 2013.12.18" CreationDate="2013-12-18T20:53:48.770" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5901" PostId="1290" Score="3" Text="Gerhard:  I think you perhaps misread me slightly.  I'm not saying I welcome the commercial reps.  I am saying first that I *would* welcome the commercial reps in the (counterfactual) case that they were both competent and helpful, and did not allow commercial considerations to trump any of that.  And I am saying second that links to commercial sites by users who are *not* commercial reps are likely to meet the criteria that we would like, but do not expect, the commerical reps to meet." CreationDate="2013-12-18T21:26:10.637" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5903" PostId="1290" Score="7" Text="If I misread or misrepresent your position, I apologize.  I do disagree with the phrase (perhaps I mean the intent behind the phrase) &quot;can be quite useful to the reader, and that's all that matters&quot;.  When I see that, I get the impression that it is straightforward and somewhat universal to determine utility, and once determined the discussion ends there.  I think there are implications, that determining utility is neither straightforward nor universal, and more discussion is needed.  I do agree that sometimes the links can help.  Gerhard &quot;Might Buy Two This Decade&quot; Paseman, 2013.12.18" CreationDate="2013-12-18T21:38:06.507" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="5914" PostId="1290" Score="3" Text="I disagree that convenience for the reader is all that matters. It is certainly legitimate to boycott Amazon for its treatment of workers." CreationDate="2013-12-20T09:48:35.600" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="5904" PostId="1292" Score="2" Text="the poster mentions in comments he is concerned about users being drawn to the site who dont understand stackexchange or MO ettiquete to begin using the site haphazardly. but stackexchange/MO already have many, many mechanisms, many quite powerful almost to the point of suppressing, for restricting newbies.... so then, &quot;let em all visit and let the collaborative filtering mechanisms sort 'em all out&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-19T02:38:44.560" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="5905" PostId="1292" Score="0" Text="a 1st rate mathematician who was interested in publicizing the field, but felt that in this way he was atypical or not-tasteful, to the point of apologizing: Hardy in the famous book Mathematicians Apology. the Apology is in reference to his publicizing mathematics." CreationDate="2013-12-19T02:41:50.143" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="5906" PostId="1292" Score="0" Text="also, blogs can be a key mechanism of publicity. initially seen somewhat warily by &quot;pros&quot;, they've really taken off over the years, to the point that an elite crowd uses them quite prolifically at times. two standouts that come to mind, also MO users: [Tao](http://terrytao.wordpress.com/) and [Gowers](http://gowers.wordpress.com/). publicity helps draw the next generation of students to the field. if anyone feels that their niche branch of math is underappreciated and would benefit from more exposure/participation, publicity is [at least part of] the answer. consider SE community blogging too!" CreationDate="2013-12-19T03:25:27.427" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="12621" PostId="1292" Score="5" Text="I just read this. It's perhaps a side issue, but I believe &quot;apology&quot; in &quot;A Mathematician's Apology&quot; isn't in the sense of begging one's pardon, but more in the sense of apologetics (please look up this word if it is not familiar). So I believe you've misunderstood here." CreationDate="2016-03-11T00:21:59.847" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5919" PostId="1296" Score="2" Text="Hmm ... -- I think linking to a freely available resource is most helpful and the best service to the scientific community. Also, such link is the least suspicious of spam." CreationDate="2013-12-20T14:43:47.357" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5938" PostId="1296" Score="4" Text="So, you are saying, it is okay to link to the richest of the rich booksellers (since they are standard) but kind of fishy to link to a small unknown bookseller?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T11:41:24.040" UserId="23297" />
  <row Id="6004" PostId="1296" Score="2" Text="@Stefan Kohl Yes, except for a small detail: we have a lot of bloodthirsty copyright hounds around and while we all know where to go, we can easily put MO in trouble if we promote such places here too much or too openly. ;) AT Algernon. Not fishy, just unusual and suggestive of having a reason behind it." CreationDate="2013-12-24T03:52:00.173" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="5911" PostId="1297" Score="1" Text="Dear Anna, unregitered users have severely limited abilities. If you know SAM, you can ask him/her to register their account." CreationDate="2013-12-20T02:22:46.400" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5917" PostId="1297" Score="0" Text="Another interesting thing, unregistered accounts can recover their cookie automatically by visiting [this page](http://mathoverflow.net/users/account-recovery) if they remember the email address they used - if you ever need to guide someone on how to do that." CreationDate="2013-12-20T14:01:12.680" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="17023" PostId="1297" Score="0" Text="[What does it mean when someone's an Unregistered User?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/68524/230282), [How do unregistered accounts work?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/262909/995714). It's sad that many users with thousands of reputation never bothered to register" CreationDate="2018-08-30T08:39:12.390" UserId="81296" />
  <row Id="5910" PostId="1298" Score="0" Text="By restrictions regarding deletion at the end I mean self-deletion of posts." CreationDate="2013-12-19T23:10:23.847" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5916" PostId="1298" Score="2" Text="This is pretty much it. With only a few exceptions, you can ask or answer a question on our sites without registering at all, this was a corner stone design decision because other Q&amp;A sites at the time not only wanted you to sign up, they wanted you to pay to get the answer you thought you found in your search results. We do encourage folks to register within the UI, but we're not too forceful about it." CreationDate="2013-12-20T13:59:02.793" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="5918" PostId="1298" Score="1" Text="In the meta.SO question you reference, it says that an unregistered user must be using the same computer if they want to build up reputation over months or years (unless they're clever about carrying around a cookie in the text file -- I'm not sure what that means). Is this still true? Can an unregistered user become registered and carry over their questions, reputation, etc.?" CreationDate="2013-12-20T14:30:46.227" UserId="6699" />
  <row Id="5920" PostId="1298" Score="1" Text="Yes, @AnnaM. All the questions/answers/reputation carries over after registration and you get all the benefits of being a full community member." CreationDate="2013-12-20T16:43:47.503" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5921" PostId="1301" Score="1" Text="Stefan, would your opinion of the suitability of this question be changed if the quoted text were replaced by &quot;I am interested in hearing arguments for and against the teaching of EG in high schools&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T00:25:58.487" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5922" PostId="1301" Score="5" Text="@Todd: I think it would be a little better, but I'd say the close reason &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot; would still apply perfectly." CreationDate="2013-12-21T00:29:14.847" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5923" PostId="1301" Score="1" Text="Judging from the answers given, I honestly would be hard pressed to argue with that close reason." CreationDate="2013-12-21T00:32:57.177" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5924" PostId="1301" Score="6" Text="In 'defence' of the quetsion &quot;Also, any arguments AGAINST EG would be welcome.&quot; is (and always was) the last sentence of the question." CreationDate="2013-12-21T00:44:29.483" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5925" PostId="1301" Score="0" Text="@Todd: Of course this is a matter of opinions. -- If you consider the question reasonable, I don't want to argue against -- you can certainly judge better than me what is appropriate on MO. I thus withdraw my post." CreationDate="2013-12-21T00:47:12.933" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5926" PostId="1301" Score="1" Text="Stefan, I probably didn't make myself clear (and so I'm undeleting (-: ): I think you've made a very good point about being primarily opinion-based. Right now, judging from the answers, the topic has been a lightning rod of strongly felt (but not strongly fact-based) opinions, and I am not at all enthusiastic about the present form of the question. Let others try to argue for this question, if they want." CreationDate="2013-12-21T01:51:28.880" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5928" PostId="1301" Score="10" Text="Is there a way to check what quid said in comments on the initial question, and then Stephan here, that an unusual proportion of the view and up votes for this question comes from users who don't usually participate to mathoverflow but I suppose, got the reputations needed to vote by linking their account here to anoth account on stack exchange? If so, I would be very interested to know it." CreationDate="2013-12-21T04:20:01.130" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5931" PostId="1301" Score="1" Text="I think Stefan has asked a good question, but now that I have substantially edited http://mathoverflow.net/questions/152352/is-euclid-dead, what he was referring to will be slightly obscured." CreationDate="2013-12-21T04:47:21.447" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5935" PostId="1301" Score="10" Text="@Joël Exactly. The question has so many views and upvotes, because it was promoted in the hot list to the whole Stack Exchange network, therefore the many votes (due to the association bonus) and views do not necessarily mean that the MO community itself likes the question that much indeed. Maybe MathOverflow should consider to ask Stack Exchange to exclude questions from this site from the hot list, to prevent &quot;external&quot; votes and views from distorting the take of the MO community on certain questions too much, if such effects are not wanted?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T09:30:17.197" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="5937" PostId="1301" Score="5" Text="@Joël: There is at least one deleted answer by a 101 points user with various accounts on the network but not on MO and not in a relevant way on math.SE either. (BTW there are at least three deleted answers, just as aside to judge the general quality.) For the views  is is  based on observation MO questions even very popular ones just never got that many views so quickly. However, I am sure many regular users also appreciate the question. I am against it, but to claim it is only 'outsiders' would be too simple. What is however also noteworty is the large number of downvotes." CreationDate="2013-12-21T11:07:51.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5940" PostId="1301" Score="5" Text="I offer this as one more bit of evidence against the association bonus.  See http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/435/the-association-bonus" CreationDate="2013-12-21T13:47:36.427" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5946" PostId="1301" Score="3" Text="The hot questions list amplifies votes, but the question has to be popular with the native users to get on the list in the first place. I also suspect that there are external links that drive traffic, the hot questions list typically results in only around 1000 views, unless the question is in the list for several days." CreationDate="2013-12-21T14:52:57.050" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5950" PostId="1301" Score="4" Text="Mad Scientist, how does a question gets on the &quot;hot question list&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T15:32:28.813" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5961" PostId="1301" Score="2" Text="Not certain this is still current but the formula for 'hotness' of q question can be seen http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11602/what-formula-should-be-used-to-determine-hot-questions and I think it is basically sorted by this likely with some tweaking. The main problem with this formula is that it gives way too much emphasis to having *many* answers ( directly and via answer score)." CreationDate="2013-12-21T17:16:49.163" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5984" PostId="1301" Score="4" Text="@MadScientist In my experience with the *new* hot questions list, the incoming traffic can easily be at the levels suggested given the circumstances. This question was at the top of the list for the better part of a day, which means it was in the top 3 and was displayed even on post pages. I've tracked a couple of questions that made it to that level, and as soon as they did they started bringing in hits at around 1k every hour or so. On the old drop-down it was rare for a question to get over a few thousand views that way, but the new one seems *much* more influential at least for the top 3." CreationDate="2013-12-22T09:49:43.527" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="5986" PostId="1301" Score="0" Text="@LoganMaingi Interesting, I haven't looked at this closely since the change. My estimate was based only on older observations." CreationDate="2013-12-22T10:08:50.760" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5998" PostId="1301" Score="1" Text="Presumably those with a good knowledge of the mathematics education literature, and in particular quantitative education research in that area, would be able to provide some facts on this one, but unfortunately that's not really the crowd we have here." CreationDate="2013-12-23T00:51:05.643" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="5999" PostId="1301" Score="2" Text="As a note, for the Math SE perspective on the hot questions list, see http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/12161/ and http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/11994/. I think there's a lot of good evidence there that this is *not* something that MO should be involved in if we can avoid it." CreationDate="2013-12-23T07:16:14.897" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="6001" PostId="1301" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts The *mathematics education literature* is absolutely massive; &quot;restricting&quot; to *quantitative education research* would (1) still leave far too much to work with, and (2) I'm not quite sure why this would be preferable to examining well-executed qualitative research. The fundamental issue with the EG question, from my vantage point, is that it is too broad and opinion-based (cf. my comments below on quid's post)." CreationDate="2013-12-23T10:26:09.457" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="6002" PostId="1301" Score="1" Text="@Benjamin I should have said &quot;...relevant to this question&quot;. I can imagine there might have been studies into the effect of teaching traditional (or not so traditional) Euclidean geometry on later performance/development/understanding/etc. That at least would then be something to start from in addressing curriculum choices, and not &quot;I need to reintroduce blah, help me with reasons I can convince people&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-23T11:00:46.000" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="6029" PostId="1301" Score="1" Text="The question now has 3 delete voted. I'm not a huge fan of the question but I think that deleting a question with this many answers is not appropriate. Perhaps this is the best place to discuss it?" CreationDate="2013-12-27T04:01:03.463" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="6040" PostId="1301" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg I agree it should not be deleted and do not understand why somebody would vote to delete to begin with (in view of various discussions on the subject). Possibly we could just wait if it actually gets deleted and just flag for undeletion in case it actually happens." CreationDate="2013-12-28T13:52:39.953" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6043" PostId="1301" Score="0" Text="@quid: I don't care whether or not the question gets deleted -- but if the community decides for deletion, I'd find it unreasonable if a moderator unilaterally overrides this decision. By the way: how many delete votes would it take to delete a question of such high score and with that many high-scoring answers?" CreationDate="2013-12-28T17:08:01.763" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6044" PostId="1301" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl this question would need 6 votes (the absolute max would be 10 and min 3, IIRC). On the other point: it is standing policy agreed upon via various discussions on the old meta that such questions are not deleted. If/when a couple of users deviate from this policy by still voting to delete a moderator could and should step in to correct this deviation from existing policy. If somebody wants to change the existing policy they are of course welcome to start another (general) discussion. (cont.)" CreationDate="2013-12-28T17:47:29.550" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6045" PostId="1301" Score="2" Text="Moreover, at least on old MO [but I think this still is the case except for the global daily max of delte votes], it was unreasonable to have 'the community' decide *via voting* over deletion as in contrast to other votes one could vote for un/deletion of the same question *again*, so that 3 users on each side could have un/delete the same question 'infinitely' many times." CreationDate="2013-12-28T17:53:47.513" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6120" PostId="1301" Score="0" Text="@quid, there are now 4 deletion votes." CreationDate="2014-01-01T01:20:26.743" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="6137" PostId="1301" Score="1" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg thanks for letting me know. Voting on this question is a very drawn out process. After days it seems there also was (at least) another reopen-vote (they started to expire down (at least) to 2 now again at 3). Meanwhile the question became still a bit 'bigger' and would now need 7 votes (total), so still three more needed." CreationDate="2014-01-01T16:21:45.930" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5927" PostId="1302" Score="2" Text="Andres, can you remind me where this agreement was reached? Relevant might be the Stone Soup thread, particularly this answer http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1047/2926, but I'm skeptical that 'agreement' was reached." CreationDate="2013-12-21T03:35:52.073" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5929" PostId="1302" Score="0" Text="(I may misremember. Probably buried somewhere on tea. I'll post a link if I manage to find it...)" CreationDate="2013-12-21T04:24:36.923" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="5930" PostId="1302" Score="0" Text="Okay, thanks. I have just now substantially edited the question to remove what I thought were the most objectionable aspects (as mentioned by Joël for instance)." CreationDate="2013-12-21T04:44:19.320" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5932" PostId="1302" Score="0" Text="Regarding open-close wars, I did see a comment by François at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1579/2/is-rigour-just-a-ritual-that-most-mathematicians-wish-to-get-rid-of-if-they-could/ which might be pertinent." CreationDate="2013-12-21T05:21:42.053" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5933" PostId="1302" Score="0" Text="Ah, that may be it." CreationDate="2013-12-21T06:04:16.630" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="5936" PostId="1302" Score="1" Text="I think we also had agreement that controversial questions especially if they already have their proper meta thread are discussed there first before posting in this thread. (That meta got deleted at some poin but from the timestamps it seems it had returned already when you posted this). In addition &quot;a couple of rounds of closing and reopening&quot; seems like a significant exageration. When you wrote that it was only reclosed once (as is now). At best this are 1 and 1/2 rounds so in no sense &quot;a couple&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-21T10:41:25.367" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5939" PostId="1302" Score="2" Text="I agree that this thread should only be used for those questions that are not controversial, and where their reason for not having been reopened is more likely due to people not having noticed something (either because several people misread the question, or because the question has been edited)." CreationDate="2013-12-21T12:07:20.447" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="5975" PostId="1302" Score="0" Text="Couldn't you at least just have deleted it now? The abuse here starts to get annoying." CreationDate="2013-12-22T02:39:30.577" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5983" PostId="1302" Score="9" Text="Well, I don't see it as abuse, but I think quite a few of us *are* getting tired of this troubled question. I would like to register some disagreement with a claim that the answers have made the question worthwhile: I have felt an obligation to delete at least five of them, and some that have remained emit more heat than light. My personal opinion is that the question should remain closed: it has proven to be more trouble than it's worth (but perhaps I am too close to this to be fully impartial, and I am reticent about being the one to bring down the hammer, after all my activity)." CreationDate="2013-12-22T03:39:45.537" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5987" PostId="1302" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble 'abuse' was perhaps a bit a strong word. But, 1st, it is (counterfactually, IMO) claimed that due to some agreement not even recallable (upon being asked) the q has to be reopened, thereby implying that those (re)closing it did not follow 'agreement'. 2nd, posting here while a q has an active meta thread is rather not to be done. This was pointed out directly by 2 users (Tobias Kildetoft and me), but completely ignored, even editing twice at least the 2nd one being avoidable, except if one still just wants it to get it opened without proper disc. about the merits." CreationDate="2013-12-22T12:53:43.827" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5988" PostId="1302" Score="1" Text="@quid Having two posts on such closely related topics *is* a little awkward, but a justification for 'ignoring' the other thread is that Stefan's question was about the *general* propriety of using MO to wage a campaign, slightly different to what is being asked here (which is directly about the specific MO question; we've been using this space recently for reopen requests). I think Andres is within rights to uphold the distinction (which has been muddied a little). Also, there have been various vague 'guidelines' proposed and gropings for 'agreement' for open-close tugs of war, as in (cont.)" CreationDate="2013-12-22T13:25:56.233" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5989" PostId="1302" Score="0" Text="(cont.) the Stone Soup thread -- another awkward situation where exactly what was said or semi-agreed on by some parties becomes hard to recall. (I think those semi-agreed-on situations really have to be watched closely; they make *me* feel uncomfortable.)" CreationDate="2013-12-22T13:30:07.677" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="5990" PostId="1302" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: The 'ignoring' did not refer to ignoring the other thread but the related remarks here. I know various things got discussed; the question is what precisely should apply. The post is in this and other ways (eg, a couple of rounds) a bit generous regarding facts. This is especially problematic as as documented not everybody takes the time to get familiar themselves with a thread before voting open/close on it. I think a bit more care is to be expected from a highrep user when suggesting a reopening." CreationDate="2013-12-22T16:18:36.327" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5976" PostId="1303" Score="3" Text="Yes, the lack of precision makes answering the question well-nigh possible. *Should EG be taught in secondary schools? Why or why not?* is not a reasonable research question. If the goal is to gain personal opinions from mathematicians (their &quot;two cents&quot;) then the query is fine. If the goal is to gain substantive evidence for or against the teaching of EG, then many more specifics need to be put in. Consider questions like *Should every undergraduate take topology? Why or why not?* or *Should Calculus be learned in Physics classes? Why or why not?* (cont'd)" CreationDate="2013-12-22T02:39:53.697" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="5977" PostId="1303" Score="3" Text="To me, these questions are also ill-posed, and I somehow imagine they would've been closed down much more quickly. I'm not quite sure why the EG question has so many up-votes; I can say that I used one of my three down-votes for it, and that I think it gives a warped view of what an appropriate Mathematics Education question looks like. (cont'd)" CreationDate="2013-12-22T02:40:14.900" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="5978" PostId="1303" Score="4" Text="I left one book recommendation there; perhaps Sinclaire's **The History of the Geometry Curriculum in the United States** is a better one - note that it includes a chapter entitled *The Bourbaki Group and its Impact on Geometry*. But I don't have this book handy, I have never read it, and I don't even understand the question well enough to know if this is useful information. Would it be better to delve into a specific area of EG impact? (cont'd once more)" CreationDate="2013-12-22T02:40:42.670" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="5979" PostId="1303" Score="4" Text="E.g., Usiskin's **The Effects of Teaching Euclidean Geometry via Transformations on Student Achievement and Attitudes in Tenth-Grade Geometry** (http://www.jstor.org/stable/748492)? I am game for bringing a Math-Ed perspective to Math-Ed questions, but only if they are held to the same high standards (or higher ones!) applied to questions in pure mathematics. [Sorry to leave so many comments; I just don't think my answer qualifies as a response to the actual meta-question posed here.]" CreationDate="2013-12-22T02:41:53.423" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="5980" PostId="1303" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the detailed elaboration, @BenjaminDickman. I will take the oppurtunity to quote OP of question latest comment &quot;EG is not taught in American high-schools. At least not the kind I am campaining for! – smyrlis 4 hours ago&quot; leaving open the detail what exactly even is campaigned for, and confirming further that it is a bit unclear what is to be discussed." CreationDate="2013-12-22T03:02:28.930" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6012" PostId="1303" Score="0" Text="I do not think that &quot;Euclidean geometry&quot; is ambiguous when we're talking about its return to high school. In this case, it is about proofs for Pythaogras, Thales, and the basic theorems on triangles and circles. And given the sorry state of mathematical education at schools the whole wide world over I would have thought this is a legitimate question . . ." CreationDate="2013-12-25T17:31:09.807" UserId="3503" />
  <row Id="6016" PostId="1303" Score="0" Text="@FranzLemmermeyer it is visible on main and meta that there was some confusion (not directly involving me) what is meant precisely. When the comment of OP I quoted was made this confusion was clearly visible. To then only say this, as opposed to say at least something at the level of detail you say is in my opinion a strange thing to do. If they run a campaign, I'd assume they have a clear idea, why not share it? Also, do you maintain there is exactly one way to have a curriculum for EG (also at the level of detail relevant for the question)?" CreationDate="2013-12-26T00:07:54.907" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6017" PostId="1303" Score="0" Text="(cont.) Your last sentence is very strange for me. Likely it is a *legitimate* question. Though personally I *do* find somebody asking for arguments to support the idea of a camapaign they already started a bit odd. To ask first and then decide about the campaign would seem like a more natural way to proceed to me. Yet, the perceived state of schools should not be that relevant to decide whether the q is legitimate. And, just that it is a legitimate question does not make it suitable for this site." CreationDate="2013-12-26T00:16:54.490" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6018" PostId="1303" Score="0" Text="(cont.) But as said I have no problem with q on geometry education in schools getting asked here. It is just that this particular one was not good in various ways. In addition I really do not think that some (research) mathematcicians without any particular expertise in high-school teaching voicing their opinions is the best way to approach this; and this is mainly what happened. As I said on a I think deleted answer it seemed the main source of information in some cases was one's own courses or those of ones kids. (To be clear, mainly this includes me, but also I did not given an answer.)" CreationDate="2013-12-26T00:24:37.973" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6019" PostId="1304" Score="0" Text="&quot;such decisions (what to teach, how to teach) are basically value-laden&quot; Is this statement so obvious that it needs no explanation? At least *some* such decisions are *not* value-laden." CreationDate="2013-12-26T10:06:04.843" UserId="4661" />
  <row Id="6020" PostId="1304" Score="0" Text="@Did Decide! Should we teach long division or not? If yes, how, if no, why? Just do it as a thought experiment!" CreationDate="2013-12-26T10:51:00.707" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="6022" PostId="1304" Score="0" Text="Sorry but I am feeling something like an excess of testosterone here... Anyway, you might want to explain which *values* long division is value-laden with." CreationDate="2013-12-26T17:36:39.040" UserId="4661" />
  <row Id="6025" PostId="1304" Score="0" Text="@Did Sorry if I haven't tried to be more clear. Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time I was teacher. There was a very strange algorithm for finding square root of a number in the text book that I should teach. If you had more advanced concepts you could find some meaning behind that algorithm. But my students were just in middle school, and without those concepts, the algorithm remained just a meaningless set of rules. I decided not to go with the textbook's suggestion. Instead, I went a more conceptual approach (to be continued)" CreationDate="2013-12-26T22:59:09.757" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="6026" PostId="1304" Score="0" Text="@Did according to which, my students could approximate the square root of a number by trial and error by rescaling an square without learning that algorithm. So far so good. Next meeting with parents, they came to me asking me why I didn't teach that algorithm. One of them said, my boy is going to be an engineer and without knowing how to find the square root of a number how he could become an engineer! I answered, at that time he know how to use a calculator. All my argument didn't convince them. And later on, I forced to teach that algorithm." CreationDate="2013-12-26T23:10:39.640" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="6027" PostId="1304" Score="1" Text="@Did See, there was nothing wrong with that algorithm (and long division) in itself. The point is what you want from it, and when you want it. Here is where the values come into play." CreationDate="2013-12-26T23:12:03.773" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="6039" PostId="1304" Score="2" Text="@Did the first thing to decide is what is the purpose of teaching (math). This is pretty purely value-based. And a lot of subsequent discussions about 'details' depend on it. A certain tension (or perceived tension) around such things was implict in certain discussion on main on this question." CreationDate="2013-12-28T13:47:02.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5941" PostId="1305" Score="5" Text="I juts realize that this question of Steven Landsburg (http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/435/the-association-bonus) discusses one of the measure. I agree with everything Steven says, except for one thing: &quot;I realize we are not currently overrun by barbarians at the gates&quot;. Well, it was true when written in JUly, but I am not sure of this anymore :-)" CreationDate="2013-12-21T13:55:42.393" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5942" PostId="1305" Score="5" Text="I have another meta-question. If there is a strong community support on any of the measure suggested above, who gets the power of decision about it ? Is it our moderator, or is it people (who?) of the stack exchange network ?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T14:01:31.437" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5943" PostId="1305" Score="0" Text="To measure the problem, does anyone know how many users have a reputation of exactly 101 ?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T14:05:53.380" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5945" PostId="1305" Score="3" Text="There are presently 4398 users with exactly 101 points -- see http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/155069/list-of-users-who-have-exactly-101-points . -- I would say this is quite an alarming figure ... ." CreationDate="2013-12-21T14:20:55.420" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5947" PostId="1305" Score="12" Text="@StefanKohl users are created very easily once you have an SE account, it only takes two or three clicks. Many user create then on sites they never even post or vote, the statistic should probably exclude users that never acted on the main site at all." CreationDate="2013-12-21T15:00:28.110" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="5948" PostId="1305" Score="10" Text="MadScientist is quite right, only 665 such users have voted - http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/155101/list-of-users-who-have-exactly-101-points-and-have-voted Note also that many of these users were created before 2013-06-24." CreationDate="2013-12-21T15:09:40.793" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="5949" PostId="1305" Score="3" Text="Yes, but 655 is still a lot. Am I the only one to have the feeling that the voting pattern (which questions get voted up, which question don't) has changed since a few months ?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T15:28:50.767" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5951" PostId="1305" Score="8" Text="How many users with 101 points posted bad questions?  I would guess these are far, far fewer than bad questions posted by users with 1 point." CreationDate="2013-12-21T15:38:49.093" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="5952" PostId="1305" Score="3" Text="@Gerald: sure, but we are not discussing bad questions/bad answers, but bad votes." CreationDate="2013-12-21T15:40:50.670" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5953" PostId="1305" Score="4" Text="The question does not mention votes.  Only the comments." CreationDate="2013-12-21T15:42:50.920" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="5954" PostId="1305" Score="4" Text="Do upvotes for this question mean we are in favor of (i) and (ii), or that we are in favor of discussion of (i) and (ii)?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T15:44:16.427" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="5955" PostId="1305" Score="0" Text="Gerald, you're right, I should specify." CreationDate="2013-12-21T16:14:18.477" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5956" PostId="1305" Score="6" Text="On the heart of the matter, both bad questions and bad votes are a problem. But there is not much we can do about bad questions, in addition of what we already do (trying to prevent them by the FAQ, then chasing and closing them). On the other hands, bad votes, it seems" CreationDate="2013-12-21T16:16:11.877" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5957" PostId="1305" Score="6" Text="are caused in substantial part by users not having the mathoverflow culture, but brought here by the top questions list on stack exchange having the right to vote here because of the association bonus. On this it seems that we could do something easily." CreationDate="2013-12-21T16:19:00.220" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5991" PostId="1305" Score="0" Text="We dont have season's funny hats here, unlike other SE sites. Why is that?" CreationDate="2013-12-22T18:49:39.020" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5993" PostId="1305" Score="3" Text="@GilKalai it seems a site has to opt in to participate; on math.SE  http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/11706/math-se-and-winter-bash-2013 and a couple other sites there was a poll about it done by local mods, so I assume they were asked about it. And so it might be ours were asked too, and decided or forgot to, or maybe MO was forgotten. In any case I for one am **extremely** glad we do not have this." CreationDate="2013-12-22T22:16:01.640" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5994" PostId="1305" Score="0" Text="Dear Quid, on the TCS site there are hats and this is fun! Last year I was the champion in this important event, but this year I forgot about it." CreationDate="2013-12-22T22:25:18.350" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5995" PostId="1305" Score="2" Text="@GilKalai belatedly, congratulations on the TCS hats championship 2012/13! :-) It is fine if *in your opinion* this is fun. As said I am glad we do not have this. We can discuss why, if you like." CreationDate="2013-12-22T22:41:59.770" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5996" PostId="1305" Score="3" Text="Thank you, quid. It is not that surprising that we see it differently:  Well, I can brag about it among my colleagues and add it to my CV!" CreationDate="2013-12-22T22:48:52.627" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5997" PostId="1305" Score="3" Text="Actually, I did brag about it in a lecture on Internet-mathematics (a lot about MO) &quot;Open Collaborative Mathematics over the Internet – Three Examples&quot; see here http://gilkalai.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/open-collaborative-mathematics-over-the-internet-three-examples/ (and the first  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4yECgveQ2c and second http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S215MRveokg parts of the lecture) (The hats came in the second part, I think...)" CreationDate="2013-12-22T22:59:59.900" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="6003" PostId="1305" Score="0" Text="Actually its on part I. Well, there is plenty in these lecture about MO (and related site) but the general description of MO is in part I 23:30-26:30  and the hats are described in 24:30 onward." CreationDate="2013-12-23T13:29:57.150" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="9097" PostId="1305" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai If you want to lobby for MO having hats this year, now is the time! (Personally I will not argue against it, neither for it. Just want to let you know since it seems you care.)" CreationDate="2014-11-18T19:55:51.747" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9098" PostId="1305" Score="0" Text="Quid, Thanks, you have a great memory!!! Maybe time is not ripe yet to lobby hats on MO." CreationDate="2014-11-18T22:13:56.857" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5959" PostId="1306" Score="1" Text="Why do you think so? -- Euclidean geometry is only one of various topics in mathematics taught in high schools, and I think it is certainly not the most important one. -- What about, e.g., introducing basic algebraic structures (groups, rings, fields), or really proving the things taught in calculus?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T17:11:11.967" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="5960" PostId="1306" Score="2" Text="Dear Stefan: Euclidean geometry (with proofs) was an important part of mathematical education in the ninth grade (14 yo) when I was a high school student. (And in many other places) What I said was that the place of EG in high school education is an important question. I welcome this question to MO, although naturally for math education questions we cannot expect the same level of precision and objectivity as for others." CreationDate="2013-12-21T17:16:41.447" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5962" PostId="1306" Score="1" Text="Not the same does not mean none at all. Actual professionals in math education expressed concerns about the question." CreationDate="2013-12-21T17:18:44.500" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5963" PostId="1306" Score="3" Text="Regarding my own opinion on your suggestions: I don't support teaching what you suggest to teach &quot;introducing basic algebraic structures (groups, rings, fields), or really proving the things taught in calculus?&quot; in high school (certainly not in 9th and 10th grades which were the two years EG was often taught). I like the idea that EG will be taught but did not study this issue." CreationDate="2013-12-21T17:19:43.430" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5964" PostId="1306" Score="1" Text="Quid, &quot;Actual professionals in math education expressed concerns about the question&quot;. What do you refer to? the MO question? or the question of teaching EG in high school?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T17:21:45.627" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5965" PostId="1306" Score="1" Text="Sorry for the rushed comment. The MO question. More specifically the comment of Benjamin Dickman. Also it seems to me Amir Asghari does not fully endorse the question, though to say he expressed concerns might be too strong. In addition, as pointed out (though not critically) there is a lot of literature.  Is OP aware fo it? If not is this research level? Sorry got to go." CreationDate="2013-12-21T17:45:36.070" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5966" PostId="1306" Score="1" Text="ahh, I got it. I did not follow the earlier versions, and discussion. My answer here is mainly about evaluating the  question: &quot;Should Euclidean geometry be taught in high-schools?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-21T18:30:35.610" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5969" PostId="1306" Score="1" Text="So you voted to reopen without first making yourself familiar with the situation?!" CreationDate="2013-12-21T20:03:53.887" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5971" PostId="1306" Score="1" Text="yes indeed, it was based on the revised question." CreationDate="2013-12-21T20:14:05.270" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="5981" PostId="1306" Score="3" Text="Mathematics Education has many questions of great interest. *How should one teach division of fractions?* or (in the U.S.) *How should instructors who have never formally learned about Mathematical Modeling teach it now that it's a part of the Common Core State Standards?* But these two questions, along with the one about EG in secondary schools, are big umbrella questions. (cont'd)" CreationDate="2013-12-22T03:04:48.137" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="5982" PostId="1306" Score="8" Text="They are good to have in one's mind, but they need to be sharpened to a far greater extent if there is to be any hope of answering them meaningfully. Some who respond will do the sharpening themselves; I think, in this context, such an expectation is unreasonable on MO. Others will simply state their opinions, and while it is nice to know how some prominent mathematicians *feel* about questions in Mathematics Education, it can also do the discipline of Math Ed an injustice by not treating it as an area of rigorous research." CreationDate="2013-12-22T03:05:18.203" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="5992" PostId="1306" Score="3" Text="Thanks Benjamin. I agree with you. I just thought that the edited question is reasonable, the editing effort deserves a praise, and the question itself deserves a new try.  I agree that questions in math Ed should be sharp, and hopefully attract also math Ed experts. It goes without saying that math education requires understanding that professional mathematicians dont have automatically. The relations between professional math teachers, professonal math education people, and professional mathematicians are rather complex." CreationDate="2013-12-22T19:05:20.280" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="6013" PostId="1306" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: in which country is Euclidean geometry currently taught at school?" CreationDate="2013-12-25T17:33:07.630" UserId="3503" />
  <row Id="5974" PostId="1307" Score="2" Text="Also relevant: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1232/why-are-we-now-getting-hot-network-questions#comment5656_1232" CreationDate="2013-12-21T23:47:15.830" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6000" PostId="1307" Score="6" Text="For the Math SE perspective on the hot questions list, see http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/12161/ and http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/11994/. I think there's a lot of good evidence there that this is *not* something that MO should be involved in if we can avoid it. (putting this here because the comments on the main post are about more than just hot questions.)" CreationDate="2013-12-23T07:18:58.677" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="6249" PostId="1307" Score="4" Text="A slight variation of this could be: only registered MO users see MO questions on their hot-list.  (Or: only MO users with ≥200 rep, or something.)  This would keep the possible-benefit of nudging MO users back to the site to keep them engaged, without advertising MO questions to the whole network-wide audience." CreationDate="2014-01-04T17:11:52.783" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="5972" PostId="1309" Score="8" Text="Before voting on this answer, users might want to look at some of the abuses of the association bonus that I documented here:  http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/435/the-association-bonus" CreationDate="2013-12-21T20:30:38.583" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="5985" PostId="1309" Score="11" Text="I agree with this in spirit, but I don't see any reason to bar users without the association bonus from meta, posting links/images, flagging, or commenting as these restrictions are mostly in place to block spammers. Hence it seems easier to me to argue that we should just raise the voting &amp; bounty threshold above that of the association bonus than to remove the bonus entirely." CreationDate="2013-12-22T10:00:54.120" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="6250" PostId="1309" Score="2" Text="While I agree the bonus has problems, removing it for MO would I think leave a bad taste in the mouth of SE users who have come to expect it.  While we may not care about this so much (since they’re not the users we want), I can see why the SE admins might be unhappy about offending/alienating users this way.  The “security through obscurity” approach of wholly or partially opting out of the hot list seems safer this way than the explicit restrictions which this suggestion or raising the voting threshold would impose on users." CreationDate="2014-01-04T17:17:48.640" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="5968" PostId="1310" Score="0" Text="Good idea. This may be simpler to &quot;sell&quot; to the larger stack exchange community." CreationDate="2013-12-21T19:21:23.503" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="5970" PostId="1310" Score="3" Text="There is a general proposal to that extent on meta.SO by Mad Scientist and linked somewhere on our meta too; maybe I can find it. Added: here it is http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/183109/the-association-bonus-should-not-enable-users-to-vote-on-every-site And for irony  use your association bonus on meta.SO and upvote it if you like it! :-) (though metaSO being general there is no actual irony as there it makes sense)" CreationDate="2013-12-21T20:07:02.807" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="5973" PostId="1310" Score="2" Text="Thank you for the comment, I think that in general there are valid points in the proposal against this. But since the cross-voting affects the smaller community more, i think it may still be useful for MO." CreationDate="2013-12-21T21:25:37.593" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="9009" PostId="1310" Score="0" Text="Good approach, since a crank can be quickly downvoted to the “no items with positive votes” state, whereas there is no procedure to lower reps for an user who acquired it through bonuses or editing, without creating anything." CreationDate="2014-11-07T11:19:30.153" UserId="56921" />
  <row Id="13899" PostId="1310" Score="2" Text="Another feature request on meta.SE similar to the one mentioned in previous comment: by user9072 (probably quid): [Prevent questions on Hot List from being upvoted by casual visitors (only rep is from association bonus)](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/238420)" CreationDate="2017-01-19T06:10:35.037" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6005" PostId="1311" Score="6" Text="Somewhat (and only somewhat) related thread on old tea (especially to Q2): http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1477/how-is-mo-useful-for-me/" CreationDate="2013-12-24T08:25:55.613" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="6556" PostId="1311" Score="0" Text="An arxiv article http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.0904 &quot;What does MATHOVERFLOW tell us about the production of mathematics?&quot; Quote: Thus the power of&#xA;mathoverﬂow comes from developing collective intelligence&#xA;through sharing information and understanding." CreationDate="2014-01-24T17:20:37.030" UserId="10446" />
  <row Id="6557" PostId="1311" Score="3" Text="&quot;The use and value of mathoverflow&quot; Joel David Hamkins http://jdh.hamkins.org/the-use-and-value-of-mathoverflow/" CreationDate="2014-01-24T17:25:33.580" UserId="10446" />
  <row Id="6649" PostId="1311" Score="0" Text="Hamkins refs a meta question by Dorais &quot;how is mathoverflow useful to me?&quot; that got deleted, 404. too bad =(, wonder what happened to it...? ok guess it is same as 1st link above from YF under different url..." CreationDate="2014-01-30T05:33:58.120" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="12840" PostId="1311" Score="1" Text="&quot;Stop. Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.&quot;, you are missing a third question. Perhaps &quot;*What is the capital of Assyria?*&quot; or &quot;*What is the average air velocity of an unladen swallow?*&quot; or maybe just &quot;*What is your favourite colour?*&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-04T06:58:35.497" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24506" PostId="1311" Score="1" Text="The link to tea from the first comment no longer works, but the linked discussion can be found [in the Wayback Machine](http://web.archive.org/web/20130603093438/http://meta.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1477/how-is-mo-useful-for-me/) and [in other places](http://msleziak.com/mathoverflow/tea/discussion/1477/how-is-mo-useful-for-me/)." CreationDate="2021-01-09T10:41:41.057" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6007" PostId="1312" Score="4" Text="But, of course, we have to remember: MO is a question-and-answer forum.  It is not a discussion forum, and it is not an opinion forum." CreationDate="2013-12-24T15:58:17.067" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6011" PostId="1312" Score="4" Text="@GeraldEdgar - edited." CreationDate="2013-12-24T18:41:26.950" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="6006" PostId="1315" Score="3" Text="For some more details see also http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/136989/how-do-close-votes-age-away" CreationDate="2013-12-24T14:09:39.567" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6010" PostId="1317" Score="15" Text="And a lot of fun! :-)" CreationDate="2013-12-24T18:32:58.723" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="6021" PostId="1320" Score="5" Text="We don't enforce a rule not to do it.  But we can (and do) downvote those who do it.  To be really mean, we can downvote and not comment explaining why the downvote!" CreationDate="2013-12-26T14:54:34.610" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6023" PostId="1320" Score="3" Text="For new users it might be best to just leave a comment since they might not know not to answer." CreationDate="2013-12-26T18:51:58.143" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="6028" PostId="1320" Score="0" Text="If a question is migrated e.g. to Math.SE, existing answers are deleted. -- Maybe this could be done in all cases when a question is closed as &quot;off-topic&quot;? -- This might reduce the number of answers squeezed in immediately before a question gets closed." CreationDate="2013-12-26T23:19:03.287" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6041" PostId="1320" Score="0" Text="I don't know whether it's often to migrate questions between MSE and MO. In the past, it's impossible for the difference of the versions of stackexchange." CreationDate="2013-12-28T14:38:46.680" UserDisplayName="user20948" />
  <row Id="6042" PostId="1320" Score="0" Text="It is sometimes possible that an open question is really hard and received no solution in MSE, therefore one has authority to require operators to migrate, and conversely, operators could migrate off-topic questions from MO to MSE." CreationDate="2013-12-28T14:40:54.567" UserDisplayName="user20948" />
  <row Id="6030" PostId="1324" Score="3" Text="So, you won't consider relocating?" CreationDate="2013-12-27T04:29:22.183" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6033" PostId="1324" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson Or I can lobby the US government to switch to UTC." CreationDate="2013-12-27T08:28:25.730" UserId="5017" />
  <row Id="6034" PostId="1324" Score="4" Text="I think if anything causes confusion here, it's the time zones. -- UTC is the same worldwide." CreationDate="2013-12-27T11:04:51.823" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6035" PostId="1324" Score="0" Text="This script might be of help (I did not try it though) http://stackapps.com/questions/2528/display-absolute-timestamps-in-local-time" CreationDate="2013-12-27T13:28:06.297" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6031" PostId="1325" Score="5" Text="You got very good answers to this question in the comments on the original post.  If you don't understand or agree with those answers, then I doubt that anyone can say anything that will satisfy you." CreationDate="2013-12-27T05:45:58.337" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="6038" PostId="1325" Score="0" Text="I can't understand your original question since the example doesn't seem to be an example." CreationDate="2013-12-27T23:41:39.350" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="6047" PostId="1325" Score="5" Text="Dear Idear, I disagree that your question (even with improved presentation) is &quot;more serious&quot; than the three questions you listed, which are actually good MO questions." CreationDate="2013-12-29T11:23:24.830" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="6032" PostId="1327" Score="6" Text="I agree. And yes, having the proof-theory tag is definitely a red flag; removing it from the question would already be an improvement." CreationDate="2013-12-27T07:25:14.683" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="6048" PostId="1329" Score="3" Text="My gut feeling is this: given that Dima expressed some mild skepticism with regard to your question, it might be good to test the waters first by starting with the concise version. If the community is encouraging in the form of upvotes, you should feel free to edit in further information. (Your third paragraph suggests to me that maybe you are not 100% certain of the correctness or practical relevance, so maybe it would be good to hold back and get community feedback first, before launching on a longer disquisition.)" CreationDate="2013-12-29T17:08:14.030" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6049" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your advice, Todd. I will follow it and restrict my answer accordingly." CreationDate="2013-12-29T18:30:22.263" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6050" PostId="1329" Score="6" Text="I don't quite understand what you are planning to do, but it is inappropriate to use MO to publicize your work or to ask for feedback on a new theorem.  This holds even if you have a sort of &quot;fig-leaf&quot; question -- it's usually pretty clear if a question is an honest query or a veil for self-promotion." CreationDate="2013-12-29T18:55:00.737" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6051" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman That's a good point. There's really not enough information at hand to give more than somewhat generic advice." CreationDate="2013-12-29T19:06:59.657" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6052" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="@Andy, how would a question of the following form be received?  &quot;I have applied the following methods X,Y and Z in working on problem Q.  A seemingly novel aspect is the (100 word description here).  Is this aspect, or even the combination of X,Y and Z, addressed or discussed in the literature?  For those wanting more detail, I have (linked PDF) available.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-30T00:50:19.207" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="6053" PostId="1329" Score="1" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger : My guess is that it would be poorly received.  It is fine to ask whether a specific thing is known (as long as it is at the appropriate level and you have done a reasonable literature search before asking), but in general I think that one should mention one's own work only in answers to other people's questions (and then only when it directly answers those questions, which is extremely rare)." CreationDate="2013-12-30T01:05:17.343" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6054" PostId="1329" Score="1" Text="(here's an example of an answer I wrote that referred to my own work and was well-received : http://mathoverflow.net/a/52407/317)." CreationDate="2013-12-30T01:06:57.693" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6055" PostId="1329" Score="1" Text="As I commented under your  question it is an undergraduate exercise (I literally mean it, I do give similar exercises to my students) to write any NP problem as an IP problem and prove the correctness of the reduction from the NP problem to IP. This is not research level unless you have _very strong_ theoretical or experimental (e.g. breaking RSA factoring challenges) evidence to support that your reduction is considerably better than other standard reductions from factoring to IP." CreationDate="2013-12-30T08:50:53.273" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6056" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="ps: it seems to me that you have some confusion and misconception about understanding the difference between LP and IP, you cannot use Simplex or other LP algorithms to solve IP as that implies P=NP." CreationDate="2013-12-30T08:54:45.023" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6057" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh I definitely don't confuse LP and IP; applying LP can give integer solutions in certain special cases, e.g. in case of total unimodularity or, for the matching problem. My MO question was asking for a reference to either IP or LP formulations and I got no feedback. Now I had already asked how to react to such a failed request and was encouraged to share my ideas; but how can I provide a better solution to something that doesn't exist. In my opinion an IP or LP formulation could give new means of studying the complexity of Factoring Problem - but apparently that isn't appreciated." CreationDate="2013-12-30T11:08:03.927" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6058" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh please give your undergraduate students the task of formulating the integer factoring problem as either an IP or an LP and provide me their solutions so I can compare or, provide the missing pointer to the &quot;other standard reductions from factoring to IP&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-30T11:13:36.250" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6059" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman what then is the button &quot;Answer your Question&quot; good for; I thought that sharing new knowledge is a noble idea and, what is evil about checking first, whether something is already known, before providing it as an answer. I have checked the internet for a long time and also asked for references, both without result and so I guess my ideas could be new." CreationDate="2013-12-30T13:28:31.983" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6060" PostId="1329" Score="1" Text="It doesn't matter whether sharing &quot;new&quot; knowledge is noble.  That's simply not the purpose of MO (it also isn't meant to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc).  Attempts at self-promotion will be downvoted, closed, and deleted.  Please find some other venue (eg a blog) for this." CreationDate="2013-12-30T15:03:26.710" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6061" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="OK, understood; my solution won't appear on MO and neither a link to anything I publish in that respect." CreationDate="2013-12-30T16:05:21.517" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6116" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="I don't know your background but I should say that on the first look it looks like an amateur trying to promote or check publishable of some kind of algorithm for factoring. Your question hasn't got an answer because it is not clear what you are asking exactly. If I explain to you that it is easy to formulate factoring as IP would that answer your question? If you are claiming that you have found some new interesting formulation of factoring as an IP or LP" CreationDate="2014-01-01T00:46:51.253" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6117" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="the burden is on you to explain why it is more interesting than the obvious way of formulating factoring as an IP. If you don't know that it is straightforward to formulate factoring as an IP or can't explain why your formulation is interesting (theoretically or experimentally) in a way that a typical formulation would not be then IMO the question is off-topic. You say that you understand that the LP formulation will not necessarily give a correct answer, ok, so what does it give? How do you turn it into something meaningful? If you can't explain that then what is the point of LP formulation?" CreationDate="2014-01-01T00:47:07.943" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6118" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="ps: express multiplication $xy=z$ as an IP and the rest is straightforward. Another easy way is to pick a formulation of factoring as SAT (there are several of them) and turn it into an IP using the reduction from SAT to IP." CreationDate="2014-01-01T00:48:49.370" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6135" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh thank you for explaining to me the reasons for your point of view; that is perfectly acceptable to me and I appreciate it very much. I had hoped for such a feedback earlier after posting my problem and, I also still hope for a pointer to literature, where solving integer factorization with IP has been investigated as an option. If that has already been done before, then there is no need for further investigation, otherwise it may be worth the effort." CreationDate="2014-01-01T12:16:05.120" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6158" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="I can't recall any particular literature off my head, I am not very familiar with research going on IP solvers like CPLEX, I am more familiar with research going on SAT solvers and factoring (also other cryptographic problems) is one of the interesting test cases to try to experiment with. There are various formulations and should be easy to find with Google. I think people working on IP solvers should have done similar things for IP. I think you should look for articles about practical IP solvers and their performance." CreationDate="2014-01-02T00:01:45.207" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6159" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="You may want to check this somewhat related article by Lipton and Regan: [How Not To Prove Integer Factoring Is In P](http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/how-not-to-prove-integer-factoring-is-in-p/)" CreationDate="2014-01-02T00:03:01.600" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6173" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the pointer to the article; I will read it carefully and check whether it answers my reference request (i.e. whether a distinction between Integer Programming and Linear Integer Programming is not relevant in that respect)." CreationDate="2014-01-02T05:22:11.073" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6066" PostId="1332" Score="1" Text="But then, I assume you would also not say about yourself that the purpose of your existence is for discussing research level mathematics." CreationDate="2013-12-30T19:00:53.680" UserId="8590" />
  <row Id="6073" PostId="1332" Score="2" Text="I answered things in comments sometimes, too. Yet I think it should really be an exception or have a clear point. Say, if somebody were to comment: &quot;This  is off-topic, just note [some terse answer/hint] If you need details ask on math.SE.&quot; I could consider this as alright. Yet if somebody just answers in a comment (instead of an answer) without clear explanation why they do so, this causes issues, and in particular raises the question why *only* a comment. I think there is some danger in having some middle-ground of comment-answer. (semi-OT I did not even read OP as asking about comm ans)" CreationDate="2013-12-30T23:01:04.297" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6074" PostId="1332" Score="0" Text="@Niemi: sorry I do not understand your comment." CreationDate="2013-12-30T23:05:18.763" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="6075" PostId="1332" Score="1" Text="I strongly assume @Niemi's comment is motivated by the fact that the expressed purpose for the existence of the site MO is research-level questions. By contrast the users of this site (presumably) do not have such a declaration attached to them (or on their door)." CreationDate="2013-12-30T23:10:04.863" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6077" PostId="1332" Score="4" Text="Let me quote: &quot;MO's primary goal is for users to ask and answer research level math questions, the sorts of questions you come across when you're writing or reading articles or graduate level books&quot;. By this definition all questions I asked on this site are research level. In retrospect some of them turned out to be trivial (i.e. a suitable expert could answer them without thinking). If we discourage trivial research level questions, the MO will become less attractive to me (and I suspect to many others)." CreationDate="2013-12-30T23:48:05.197" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="6078" PostId="1332" Score="0" Text="I am not sure what we are discussing now. If the question meets the criteria for on-topic it should be answered, via an answer and not only a comment. What is the point in not using an answer but a comment in stead? I do not know which (type of) question OP had in mind exactly. But Christian Stump wrote &quot;**obviously** not research level&quot; (my emph) which to me does not include questions that came up in a research context (with that context *being mentioned*) that turn out to be easy." CreationDate="2013-12-30T23:58:44.303" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6080" PostId="1332" Score="1" Text="@Igor Yes, quid is right. I wanted to stress the difference between questions that I would personally answer and questions that might better be not answered here. If a colleague asked me why the neutral element of a group is unique, I would be rather surprised, but I would of course answer him. I would, however, not expect this kind of question to be answered on this site." CreationDate="2013-12-31T00:45:37.633" UserId="8590" />
  <row Id="6090" PostId="1332" Score="0" Text="Could you please clarify what is the meaning of 'in comments' in your answer. BTW, answering only via a comments is also (in some people's opinion at least) a way of being discouraging towards a question. To me it thus seems your position is self-contradictory (except if your goal is to make MO less attractive for yourself)." CreationDate="2013-12-31T15:33:13.977" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6100" PostId="1332" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification. Your point 1 is a complex subject, let me focus on 2 what I was asking about. On a practical note, if you want to avoid getting points I recommend giving the answer in CW mode instead. But still I find such things worse than not answering. To stay in the real world analogy, I can envision various scenarios were not answering a question can happen without causing bad feelings, while for answering a question in an arrogant/condescending way this is more difficult. Answering in a comment can  be perceived (sometimes rightly so) as the latter." CreationDate="2013-12-31T18:49:04.063" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6101" PostId="1332" Score="2" Text="I am not interested in discussing 2, which I only mentioned for clarification." CreationDate="2013-12-31T19:11:50.043" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="6106" PostId="1332" Score="0" Text="It is fine if you are not interested in discussing it. However you should take notice that you declared something as &quot;perfectly acceptable&quot; that was criticised by others on various occasions (this is just about the answer or comment distinction, there was a meta thread just about how to deal with the problematic situation the creation of which you declare here as &quot;perfectly acceptable&quot;.) Anyway, it is beyond my comprehension how you can consider it as irrelevant to create an unwelcoming atmosphere via answering via comments instead of answers in view of the other things you say." CreationDate="2013-12-31T21:01:20.030" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6107" PostId="1332" Score="0" Text="@quid: 2 is irrelevant to the original question (by Christian Stump) hence this is no place to discuss it. Closing the question without any answer is much more unwelcoming than answering in in comments. I see how some can find answering in comments condensating, but in my opinion they should get a grip. Condensating answers are common even when you buy someone's expertise (lawyer's, doctor's etc). On MO those who answer DONATE their time and expertise, so as  long as the answer in comments is polite, I see no issue." CreationDate="2013-12-31T21:26:32.150" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="6108" PostId="1332" Score="0" Text="Why did you bring it up in the first place if it is irrelevant?!" CreationDate="2013-12-31T21:36:53.383" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6110" PostId="1332" Score="0" Text="I never meant to stress &quot;in comments&quot; in the answer-this is just how I prefer to answer trivial questions. In retrospect it was a distraction from my main point." CreationDate="2013-12-31T22:29:45.950" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="6138" PostId="1332" Score="0" Text="Thanks and sorry for the misunderstading; to me it looked as if this comment/answer distinction is your main point, especially since what other point you want to make that answers this meta-question is unclear to me. But perhaps little is to be gained from continuing this debate." CreationDate="2014-01-01T16:28:16.220" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6145" PostId="1332" Score="2" Text="I disagree that any question can be research-level just because the stated definition includes questions that show up in your research. Any question that can be answered by all undergraduate students is not of research-level (spirit of the law versus letter of the law and all that). If someone is doing research and in that context asks a trivial question here, then that is ok, but the question should not get more than a passing reference to the triviality as an answer. If a user repeatedly has such questions, then they might want to consider whether research is really their cup of tea." CreationDate="2014-01-01T19:32:28.103" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6148" PostId="1332" Score="1" Text="@Tobias Kildetoft: I basically agree with you. Again, my point is that MO should tolerate trivial questions, unless a user floods the site with them. It is not MO's business to tell people that research isn't their cup of tea. By asking trivial questions people damage their reputation, and this is enough punishment; MO should not get involved. Too often I see people say &quot;this is homework&quot;, and I bet many of them would not be able to do that homework." CreationDate="2014-01-01T19:48:47.397" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="6062" PostId="1333" Score="1" Text="That tool does not list self-deleted posts. Other than that, I can't think of much that wouldn't be listed." CreationDate="2013-12-30T18:45:52.120" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6063" PostId="1333" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais : Ah, that must be it.  Where is it documented that it does not list self-deleted posts?  And do you know the reason?" CreationDate="2013-12-30T18:49:57.240" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6076" PostId="1333" Score="0" Text="I added some specific tags and removed 'bug' in the process, as now it seems not optimal." CreationDate="2013-12-30T23:22:45.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="18097" PostId="1333" Score="0" Text="Related posts on Meta Stack Exchange: [Why are self-deleted posts not shown in the 10k Tools?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/292531) and [Which deletions are not shown in 10k-tools? Are posts deleted by roomba shown there?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/301539) (Of course, SEDE offers some way to view *links* to all deleted questions, but it is much less comfortable and updated only once a week. Some queries can be found here: [Are there some tools to follow deletions on this site?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/28315))" CreationDate="2019-01-01T10:59:24.197" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6064" PostId="1334" Score="0" Text="I'd be happy to migrate the question, but I don't think the answer would be migrated with it. Want me to go ahead?" CreationDate="2013-12-30T18:58:21.163" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6065" PostId="1334" Score="0" Text="Go for it. I've copied the answer." CreationDate="2013-12-30T19:00:13.347" UserId="1650" />
  <row Id="6067" PostId="1334" Score="0" Text="Okay, it's been migrated." CreationDate="2013-12-30T19:02:52.187" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6069" PostId="1334" Score="5" Text="The answer was migrated as well, so no worries.  Thanks." CreationDate="2013-12-30T19:14:47.587" UserId="1650" />
  <row Id="6068" PostId="1335" Score="1" Text="Great, this answers my question completely.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-12-30T19:10:32.750" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6081" PostId="1336" Score="6" Text="As Francois said in a comment, the same question had already been closed on math.se.  Why on earth did you think it would be acceptable here?" CreationDate="2013-12-31T04:27:04.040" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6082" PostId="1336" Score="13" Text="(and it was also a little dishonest to not link to the previous question on math.se; did you really think people wouldn't notice?)" CreationDate="2013-12-31T04:28:34.907" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6119" PostId="1336" Score="2" Text="@AndyPutman *Why on earth did you think it would be acceptable here?*&#xA;There are two reasons. One is that MSE and MO are different sites.&#xA;The other is that a similar question as mine was accepted in MO." CreationDate="2014-01-01T01:19:40.760" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="6121" PostId="1336" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman Oh, there's yet another reason. Anybody who has enough reps can vote to close a question for whatever reasons. So it's a *subjective* matter whether a question is closed or not. Hence a fact that a question was closed in MSE does not necessarily means that it should be closed in MO." CreationDate="2014-01-01T01:40:32.633" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="6142" PostId="1336" Score="2" Text="@AndyPutman  [*did you really think people wouldn't notice?*]&#xA;Of course, not. I knew sombody like you who were watching my posts in MSE would find it out right away." CreationDate="2014-01-01T19:04:25.990" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="6267" PostId="1336" Score="3" Text="The answers below make clear that the MO post at issue was problematic, and deserved whatever closings it received.  But this meta thread is not itself a problem --- I would say this type of question (&quot;why was my question closed&quot;) is one of the reasons for meta.MO --- unless I am unaware of a pattern of meta spamming.  So I disagree with the down votes and closure votes here on this meta question." CreationDate="2014-01-05T04:01:19.260" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="6269" PostId="1336" Score="7" Text="@Theo: You're just unaware." CreationDate="2014-01-05T14:09:47.827" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6284" PostId="1336" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila  [*You're just unaware.*]&#xA;What's your definition of meta spamming?" CreationDate="2014-01-05T18:55:30.443" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="6285" PostId="1336" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila Good to know, and I'm not surprised.  It does occasionally happen that meta questions are down-voted for the wrong reasons, so I wanted to make sure that that wasn't happening here." CreationDate="2014-01-05T19:42:50.337" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="6084" PostId="1337" Score="18" Text="+1000.  Thanks for writing this." CreationDate="2013-12-31T06:42:17.987" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6085" PostId="1337" Score="5" Text="The modularity theorem is $\Sigma^1_2$ (this is an overkill), so Shoenfield absoluteness applies to it as well." CreationDate="2013-12-31T07:39:36.953" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="6086" PostId="1337" Score="1" Text="It should be pointed that the question was reopened from being a duplicate, and closed as &quot;too broad&quot; instead (after pointing out that the OP is looking for an answer regarding Wiles' proof)." CreationDate="2013-12-31T08:02:02.183" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6087" PostId="1337" Score="1" Text="Thanks guys, I appreciate your remarks. I didn't try to think hard about the logical structure of the modularity theorem, so Andres's observation is good to know. And Asaf is right and reflects another subplot of this (rather characteristically) long tale." CreationDate="2013-12-31T13:37:21.617" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6094" PostId="1337" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble&#xA;You seem to misunderstand my question.&#xA;The Wiles's proof involves a stronger result than FLT.&#xA;Namely Shimura-Taniyama conjecture for semistable elliptic curves.&#xA;Are you sure that it is provable without AC?" CreationDate="2013-12-31T16:27:07.817" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="6095" PostId="1337" Score="10" Text="You have now *changed* the question, Makoto, as I explained thoroughly in my answer. But see what Andres wrote in his comment above -- that is an answer to your present question. (I will not discuss the technical mathematics any further here. Take it up at MSE.)" CreationDate="2013-12-31T16:44:01.390" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6096" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble No, I haven't. By the way, please write my name at the head of your comment. Otherwise I may not notice it." CreationDate="2013-12-31T16:51:47.150" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="6122" PostId="1337" Score="9" Text="@ToddTrimble: You have well-justified our election of you with this post, and many others---Thanks! :-)" CreationDate="2014-01-01T02:07:41.507" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="6123" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke You are very kind to say so -- thanks. (I imagine there may be many who would disagree, so again, thanks! :-)  It's an honor and a pleasure.)" CreationDate="2014-01-01T02:31:23.323" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6124" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Do you think Andres's assertion that the modularity theorem can be proved without AC is correct? If yes, could you explain why you think so?" CreationDate="2014-01-01T03:03:22.537" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="6125" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble How do you explain that a similar question(the one I referred to in the question) was  accepted with 44 upvotes in MO?" CreationDate="2014-01-01T03:09:37.260" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="6126" PostId="1337" Score="3" Text="@MakotoKato Yes, I absolutely think Andres is correct, and I think you can find strong clues in the Wikipedia article on Absoluteness that you yourself linked to, specifically in the subarticle on the Shoenfield Absoluteness theorem, and the results on $\Sigma_2^1$ statements particularly. Andres is much better placed to give details than I am. If you post a respectful question at MSE and don't futz around arguing in comment boxes, I'll bet you could derive benefit from what he'd have to say." CreationDate="2014-01-01T03:38:22.453" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6127" PostId="1337" Score="3" Text="@MakotoKato Putting aside possible invidious comparisons between the reception of your question and the question about use of Grothendieck universes in (the backdrop to) Wiles's work, I'd guess the number of upvotes there has partly to do with the fact that there was already a history of grappling on this point. For example, there were discussions on the FOM board about this some years ago. Very often questions that touch on foundational matters (and that aren't somehow tainted by past histories of users) garner a lot of points, and these aspects converged to produce quite a lot of upvotes." CreationDate="2014-01-01T03:47:13.420" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6274" PostId="1337" Score="3" Text="Let me add, Todd, that the mention of the completeness theorem is somewhat distracting, as it makes it appear as if Shoenfield's absoluteness is a metamahematical trick. Though it needs some understanding of set theory, the argument is much closer to classical analysis. In fact, what one does is to associate to each $\Sigma^1_2$ set a tree representation. Shoenfield's absoluteness is simply the fact that a $\Sigma^1_2$ statement holds iff the associated tree is illfounded. (Cont.)" CreationDate="2014-01-05T16:41:13.473" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="6275" PostId="1337" Score="5" Text="My point in mentioning this is that I have seen the criticism that the translation-to-$L$ argument gives us &quot;non-canonical&quot; constructions, while the opposite is in fact true. One can think of the whole thing as showing that we have explicit, canonical choice functions in the case under consideration, so we are not actually making any appeals to the axiom of choice, since choice is *provable* in the relevant instances. (On the other hand, the proof is definitely non-finitary.)" CreationDate="2014-01-05T16:45:00.893" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="6277" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@AndresCaicedo I did explicitly leave room open for the fact that what I wrote was overly heavy, or distracting if you prefer. Anyway, while the mathematics sounds very interesting and I'd like to understand it better, here is probably not the best place. I'll check over at the MSE meta thread to see if you've responded there, where there was some active discussion yesterday. I'm sure Matthew Emerton would be interested in all this. (Edit: I just checked, and I see you haven't weighed in on Matthew's meta post, linked to in his answer here. Would you consider doing so?)" CreationDate="2014-01-05T17:44:05.743" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6286" PostId="1337" Score="2" Text="@AndresCaicedo: Dear Andres, If you're referring to my comments when you speak of &quot;criisicm&quot; about the translation to $L$-argument, maybe I can say that I didn't mean it to be so much of a criticism, than as an explanation as to why this explanation might be unsatisfying to number-theorists.  As emerged in the comment thread with Todd at meta.MSE, it might well be that the replacement of Taylor--Wiles patching by a finitistic argument in the Taylor--Wiles argument might in fact be an explicit (and I would guess more elementary and naive) manifesation of the kind of argument you have been ..." CreationDate="2014-01-05T19:46:44.157" UserId="2874" />
  <row Id="6287" PostId="1337" Score="2" Text="... explaining here; if so, I would find that pretty interesting (because it would expand my horizons on this point somewhat, among other things).  But when I say that number-theorists would like a &quot;canonical&quot; explanation, what I mean is that they would like an explanation in number-theoretic terms.  In this sense, whether one uses choice, diagonal arguments, and so on when conducting patching, or replaces them by finitistic arguments, or by canonical choice functions coming from reduction-to-$L$, one is still unsatisfied: one would like to see the objects being constructed by the patching ..." CreationDate="2014-01-05T19:48:49.603" UserId="2874" />
  <row Id="6288" PostId="1337" Score="2" Text="... process as having a genuine number-theoretic meaning.  (Indeed, I believe they do: they should be explained by ideas from $p$-adic Langlands; but this isn't the place to discuss that, I don't think --- I'm just mentioning it to indicate that the &quot;canonical&quot; description I (and maybe others) would like is very far removed from foundational issues and explanations.)  So I guess there are two levels of reaction to the appearance of choice/compactness in TW patching --- the first is just the immediate question of whether it can be removed, and here the answer is &quot;yes&quot;, by your general ..." CreationDate="2014-01-05T19:51:16.883" UserId="2874" />
  <row Id="6289" PostId="1337" Score="2" Text="... argument, and by the explicit finitistic commutative algebra that was worked out soon after TW appeared.  As I said, I would find it interesting to reconcile these.  But there is also the more overarching issue of explaining the objects constructed by TW patching in more meaningful number-theoretic terms, and this is something that has to be addressed by number-theory; it is not an issues of foundations.  You might then say that it doesn't have much to do with (eliminating) choice, and that would be fair; but I think that the appearance of choice in the initial construction, and the ..." CreationDate="2014-01-05T19:53:26.800" UserId="2874" />
  <row Id="6290" PostId="1337" Score="2" Text="... initial reaction against it, was in part a reflection of a harder-to-articulate sentiment that the TW argument was proving something important, but using objects that appeared somewhat random and meaningless; a state of affairs that is not entirely satisfying.   Anyway, sorry for the length of this comment; feel free to ignore it if it's not of interest.  Best wishes," CreationDate="2014-01-05T19:55:13.590" UserId="2874" />
  <row Id="6291" PostId="1337" Score="1" Text="@Emerton Thanks for the comments, and I agree with the goal you describe. That is why I find McLarty's program and similar others worthwhile, since the outcome should be our true understanding of the arguments behind the proof. (I mention McLarty's since it has been mentioned before, but I do not think this is the only path to a purely number-theoretic proof; in fact, I sometimes feel that the emphasis by some on first order $\mathsf{PA}$ ends up being a bit of a distraction here.)" CreationDate="2014-01-05T20:06:09.710" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="6089" PostId="1338" Score="4" Text="MO philospohy is a bit different from general SE philospohy regarding this matter. Various things you might find encouraging posting q+a and alike are not due to MO moderators but SE moderators/staff. I suspect the lack of consensus you perceive is not so much among MO moderators but among MO and SE." CreationDate="2013-12-31T15:24:33.350" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6091" PostId="1338" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure how you are using the term 'moderators', but if you are including experienced high-rep users like Andy Putman, then I see no contradiction whatever between our responses at your third link. I think Stefan has summed it up for you very neatly in his answer. I do see now that giving a description of your approach to the material that you seek a reference to in the literature is not actually supplying a reference to the literature, and could thus be construed as self-promotion, which is frowned upon. You could however submit a preprint to ArXiv and then refer to that in an answer." CreationDate="2013-12-31T16:14:41.977" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6092" PostId="1338" Score="1" Text="So, we have certain possibilities.  You proved a new theorem, and you put it here instead of publishing.  Or you put it on arXiv, but then you also put it here as publicity.  Probably both of these are to be discouraged..." CreationDate="2013-12-31T16:14:45.743" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6093" PostId="1338" Score="1" Text="I think what we have here are matters of good taste and judgment, rather than what is allowed in &quot;the rules&quot;. I personally would not howl in protest if you put something on the ArXiv and then write a discreet answer that says something like, &quot;if anyone is at all interested, I have written about this here [link]&quot;. But it could smack of self-promotion to others. At this point, use your judgment -- as far as &quot;permission&quot; goes, refer to what Stefan wrote." CreationDate="2013-12-31T16:19:54.270" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6088" PostId="1339" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the clarification, Stefan. So, in order to adhere to MO rules, I can't supply an answer to my failed reference request. Should someone be interested in my solution, I would be willing to share it outside of MO on request." CreationDate="2013-12-31T14:19:34.530" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6104" PostId="1339" Score="4" Text="The details matter here. If a reference request is for your entire result, then it looks too much like self promotion. If the reference request is for a lemma you wish you didn't have to prove, I think it's fine to subsequently add a link saying something like &quot;I gave a proof of this fact as Lemma 3.17 in ...&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-31T20:32:24.623" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6105" PostId="1339" Score="1" Text="I think this is a useful thread; such distinctions help clarify my own thinking on this topic, and I have to say that what I have written earlier is not necessarily my final thoughts on this." CreationDate="2013-12-31T20:47:57.497" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6109" PostId="1339" Score="2" Text="I think it is helpful to look at case studies here.  Two well-received &quot;self-answers&quot; that involved references to the OP's papers are Misha's answer to http://mathoverflow.net/questions/136944/quasi-homomorphisms-of-groups/ and my answer to http://mathoverflow.net/questions/56103/first-chern-class-of-a-flat-line-bundle.  My answer is of the kind that Scott Morrison mentioned, while Misha's answer was literally a reference to a new paper of his which answered the question.  I think that there were two things about these answers that made them acceptable.  First, it was clear in both cases" CreationDate="2013-12-31T22:29:24.713" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6111" PostId="1339" Score="4" Text="It's happened to me a few times that I asked a question to which I did not know the answer, but in the hours after posting the question, it naturally being on my mind, I came to an answer myself (or a partial answer) and so posted an answer. For example: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/14830/which-graphs-are-cayley-graphs." CreationDate="2013-12-31T22:36:37.340" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="6112" PostId="1339" Score="2" Text="(continued) that the OP did *not* know the answer when they posted the question.  They really wanted to know the answer and did not intend to advertise their work.  Second (and this is more controversial but I think plays a role in the community's judgement), both Misha and I are long-time posters here who answer many questions of other people.  We are also active researchers and many people on MO know us in person.  This leads people to cut us a bit more slack (though I think we would still be harshly judged if it looked like we were engaged in self-promotion)." CreationDate="2013-12-31T22:41:20.297" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6113" PostId="1339" Score="0" Text="It is worth noting that JDH's example also fits both of my criteria." CreationDate="2013-12-31T22:42:20.927" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6134" PostId="1339" Score="0" Text="Thank you all for the valuable feedback; as I am fairly novice on MO and not associated to a research community, I still have a steep learning curve concerning the culture of research communities." CreationDate="2014-01-01T12:00:47.013" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6143" PostId="1339" Score="2" Text="I also had a fine reception of a self-answered question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/33770/is-this-a-well-known-bound-for-the-derived-length-of-a-finite-group (the type of question is somewhat different, but at least this shows that you do not need to have answered a lot of questions here to get a good reception of such as this. It does still satisfy the first part, as I did not know the answer at the time of asking)." CreationDate="2014-01-01T19:25:52.577" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="11920" PostId="1339" Score="1" Text="&quot;*I cannot speak for the moderators, but as far as I understand, you should only ask a question on MO if you do not already know the answer.*&quot;&#xA;What's so different between finding an answer before posting the question or after posting it?" CreationDate="2015-12-01T21:14:57.447" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="11919" PostId="1341" Score="1" Text="&quot;*What is more important IMO is the motivation for posting.*&quot;&#xA;I think there are at least two problems in this view.&#xA;The first problem is that you never know the OP's *real* motivation.&#xA;The second is that a mathematical problem should be evaluated *only* by its intrinsic value.&#xA;The OP's motivation is irrelevant to the value." CreationDate="2015-12-01T21:05:08.913" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="6130" PostId="1342" Score="13" Text="By all means leave comments, or answers where appropriate, correcting mistakes.  But in most cases, is it really important to &quot;draw attention&quot; to incorrectness, as opposed to simply correcting it?" CreationDate="2014-01-01T09:43:05.763" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="6132" PostId="1342" Score="0" Text="If you're sure and can correct an error, can't you just edit the answer (or post a new, correct answer)? If you aren't confident enough to make an edit or post, I guess a comment would be more appropriate in most cases. As for the number of upvotes a (potentially) erroneous answer received, I'm not sure if it's that important. (cont.)" CreationDate="2014-01-01T11:09:35.983" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="6133" PostId="1342" Score="1" Text="... A highly upvoted answer only shows up on top if you choose to let MO do so. I don't know what the default setting is, but if a user lists answers in order of activity (by clicking the &quot;active&quot; tab on the top right of the answer section if it's not ordered that way now) for example, your newly posted answer that corrects the error you found will be on top. Actually in the first case in your question, the wrong(?) answer is at the bottom of the list if viewed on the active tab." CreationDate="2014-01-01T11:10:11.063" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="6139" PostId="1342" Score="7" Text="I certainly hope that future readers of a MO post (if indeed there are any) would be able recognize the difference between upvotes on MO and publication in a peer-reviewed journal." CreationDate="2014-01-01T18:00:00.433" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="6146" PostId="1342" Score="9" Text="There is a reason for 'drawing attention' to corrections @MarkMeckes: users that read the incorrect answer *before the correction* could be mislead by it and never notice the correction. I would consider this as a rather common scenario in case of somewhat late corrections via only a comment." CreationDate="2014-01-01T19:39:33.697" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6147" PostId="1342" Score="1" Text="@quid: That's true enough, but it's not reasonable to assume that such users will necessarily see a new answer either.  We don't all check MO every day." CreationDate="2014-01-01T19:48:35.220" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="6152" PostId="1342" Score="2" Text="If at all possible, an incorrect answer should be corrected. In any case, some kind of edit must be made so that past votes are unlocked." CreationDate="2014-01-01T22:32:32.237" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6193" PostId="1342" Score="4" Text="I have made a related feature suggestion -- introducing error flags -- [here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1053/big-list-of-feature-requests-and-suggestions-for-a-fantasy-mo-3-0/1349#1349)." CreationDate="2014-01-02T22:15:36.993" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6272" PostId="1342" Score="2" Text="Benjamin Dickman: I was the owner of the first post that you have mentioned in your post. You have written that I claimed that &lt;it&gt;it is impossible to prove the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra using the Brouwer Fixed Point Theorem&lt;/it&gt;. I have never made such a claim. I just cited a paper (preprint) indexed by Mathematical Reviews, which claims that this assertion is true. I also emphasized that that paper was not accessible to me." CreationDate="2014-01-05T15:54:34.483" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="6273" PostId="1342" Score="1" Text="@YazdegerdIII I too was unable to find the full text. But a comment (by François?) notes the preprint you cited asserts only that a particular technique of a couple of mathematicians would not work, not that the BFPT *in general* is unsuitable for proving the FTA. So, IIRC, your claim went beyond what was stated in the preprint. I left a comment and made an additional edit to the OP, but after seven months had not seen any clarification from you. Unsure of what to do, I posted here and took the advice of a moderator. I apologize if you feel singled out or that my actions were unwarranted. BD" CreationDate="2014-01-05T16:01:06.097" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="6276" PostId="1342" Score="1" Text="An added note: This metapost is about a more general question, of which the above were intended only as two clarifying examples. I was not sure whether to include them at all, and put in a parenthetical comment asking that others delete them if they seemed to be &quot;in poor form.&quot; (Though no one did remove them, perhaps they have distracted too much from the main question.) Nevertheless, in the specific case of the FTA question, I assume that the first answer's owner agrees it was incorrect, since they ultimately deleted it." CreationDate="2014-01-05T17:14:07.023" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="6378" PostId="1342" Score="0" Text="It may be worth pointing out that in your second example the owner has engaged with your objections, but just has a different view.  Also the owner seems to have edited his answer a couple of days back to say that &quot;Some of ancient ...&quot; (instead of ``most&quot; or ``all&quot;)." CreationDate="2014-01-11T15:34:22.443" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="6141" PostId="1343" Score="0" Text="I mostly agree with your first two sentences. The rest of this answers seems, to me, like it is discussing perceived problems with the MO community at large - perhaps not entirely related to my query. Really what I'm asking about is precisely what I've put in a comment above: *I know that journals will have guidelines for how to manage articles that are later realized to have mistakes; I only ask what the MO response should be to an answer that is up-voted as if it were correct, but which is subsequently seen to be incorrect.*" CreationDate="2014-01-01T19:02:44.920" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="6144" PostId="1343" Score="5" Text="@BenjaminDickman, then I do not understand the issue --- what do you want to achieve? There is a wrong answer; there is a comment under the wrong answer which says that the answer is wrong; and there is the right answer. Are you afraid, that in such a situation, someone may come to the conclusion that the answer having more upvotes is right, and obtain some striking results in his research based on this belief without carefully checking it? I, for example, am not afraid :-)" CreationDate="2014-01-01T19:30:05.157" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6149" PostId="1343" Score="1" Text="@BenjaminDickman, one &quot;issue&quot; may be related to the fact that people upvote answers for various reasons. The issue has been risen on meta in a bit different context --- on meta, people downvote questions when a) they don't agree with the &quot;yes&quot;-answer to the question, or b) they don't like the question. Similarly, on the main site --- people upvote answers when a) they checked the answer is correct, or b) they like the poster, or c) they like the answer, or d) (that's me) they found the answer to be useful for them. (cont)" CreationDate="2014-01-01T20:34:53.897" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6150" PostId="1343" Score="2" Text="A temporary solution could be: don't vote up when the answer is correct, but say in a comment that you verified the answer (or vote up on such comment). A long term solution could be: modify the software to separate votes for correctness from &quot;likes&quot;. But, like I said, I don't think this is a real issue --- if someone wants to use some results from the site, it's his duty to *verify* the results." CreationDate="2014-01-01T20:36:40.297" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6151" PostId="1343" Score="3" Text="The full quote is &quot;casting artificial pearls before genuine swine.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-01-01T22:30:22.593" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6157" PostId="1343" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson, thank you for the correction!" CreationDate="2014-01-01T23:55:20.990" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6172" PostId="1343" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the response." CreationDate="2014-01-02T04:01:26.463" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="6155" PostId="1344" Score="7" Text="Scott, and if it turns out, that the answer is indeed *correct*, should the author edit the other answer and add a line like: &quot;n.b. (Scott): my answer is correct. I do not have any idea what you are talking about. Please, remove your line from my answer and do not destroy it anymore.&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-01-01T23:51:16.397" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6163" PostId="1344" Score="8" Text="@MichalR.Przybylek a more reasonable way to proceed seems to be to rollback and add a clarifying comment, or to edit out the comment adding some explanation or something along these lines. Of course the editing suggested here should only be used with care and after waiting for response for a reasonable amount of time. But there are also accounts that are abandoned and so on." CreationDate="2014-01-02T01:03:24.080" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6167" PostId="1344" Score="4" Text="@MichalR.Przybylek, it seems you're asking a question expecting the answer &quot;no&quot;, and that is indeed my answer. I think quid described a good course of action." CreationDate="2014-01-02T03:00:16.073" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6171" PostId="1344" Score="0" Text="Perhaps this is the best course of action, particularly noting (as François does above) that &quot;some kind of edit must be made so that past votes are unlocked.&quot; Thanks." CreationDate="2014-01-02T03:56:12.830" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="6174" PostId="1344" Score="1" Text="Scott, true, the question was unfair. I am in the process of turning my blood into water, but, as you may see, it has not been completed yet. @quid, do we agree that every answer should be posted with care? We agree. However, wrong answers happen, and they will happen as long we remain humans --- a part of being a human is making mistakes. This also means, that there is a non-zero probability that a correct answer will be edited in the proposed way, and its author will not notice the fact (nor anyone else; btw, Upvoters, have you checked that Benjamin's answer is indeed correct?...). (cont)" CreationDate="2014-01-02T13:06:54.223" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6175" PostId="1344" Score="2" Text="I am simply afraid, that Scott's suggestion will be overused. It is just too dangerous. On the other hand, I do not mind if such changes are done by moderators --- I trust moderators much more than some random users." CreationDate="2014-01-02T13:07:23.320" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6176" PostId="1344" Score="1" Text="I also do not understand why &quot;past votes *must* be unlocked&quot;. What is the reason to cancel your upvote?" CreationDate="2014-01-02T13:18:13.723" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6177" PostId="1344" Score="0" Text="Moreover, in my opinion, in this specific situation, the edit should have not been done." CreationDate="2014-01-02T13:36:07.190" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6178" PostId="1344" Score="8" Text="This seems like a bad idea to me.  Editing a post to change the intent of the author seems too much like vandalism for my taste.  What would happen in `the real world' if someone has published a wrong proof?  You could write to the editors, the editors could retract the article, you could write your own article etc -- the one thing you can't do is to edit the original article and claim it is wrong there.  Editors could do that, so if moderators wish to edit a wrong post, I have no problems with that." CreationDate="2014-01-02T16:15:25.313" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="6181" PostId="1344" Score="0" Text="The roles of  editors of a journal and moderators of an SE site are not at all comparable. More generally an SE site is not a journal. In my opinion such arguments 'by analogy' are often not very helpful. In addition some claims in @Lucia's comment like &quot;Editors could do that&quot; referring to editing an original article seems questionable. It is true not 'everybody' could do it in a journal but I think more often than not editors could not do it either so that the entire reasoning  breaks down in my opinion." CreationDate="2014-01-02T16:52:59.457" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6182" PostId="1344" Score="0" Text="I can see reasons why one would not want somebody unilaterally deciding to do such an edit. But to have moderators decide about it seems like a bad idea to me, since first and foremost this is a judgement about correctness/quality of content and this is not something in which moderators normally are involved (in a special role). To be clear, this is nothing against moderators abstractly or concretely, simply it is unreasonable to expect a few users being able to decide on claims of correctness over the full site." CreationDate="2014-01-02T16:59:48.453" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6183" PostId="1344" Score="2" Text="@quid: My point was indeed that I don't want people editing other posts and changing the content substantially.  I could only see moderators being allowed to do this, but I agree that even here things can be problematic." CreationDate="2014-01-02T17:01:39.217" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="6187" PostId="1344" Score="1" Text="@quid, I don't follow your logic. What's your point?  Should the edit be done if A posted an answer, his answer was highly upvoted, but some user B *believes* that A's answer might be wrong? Or, should it be done if A posted an answer, his answer was upvoted, but it is *obvious* (for any reason) that his answer is wrong? Quid, believe me or not, but if you answer a question, then after a year, you may not be willing / have time / energy to think about the same question again and answer every new issue." CreationDate="2014-01-02T19:13:07.790" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6188" PostId="1344" Score="2" Text="@MichalR.Przybylek such an edit should be *allowed* if a user B asks for clarification/challenges A's answer and A is *unresponsive* for some time (as said in the answer). Of course B should be reasonably sure about their claim; but then I doubt there are that many users above 2k+ that will make bogus edits of this form to worry about this. It could happen. But let us deal on a case by case basis with these cornercases. For your final sentence: if an OP is unable/unwilling to maintain their content IMO they should be grateful if others do so for them (in a diligent way)." CreationDate="2014-01-02T19:41:52.180" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6194" PostId="1344" Score="4" Text="At this point we seem to have a *concrete* problem of incorrect answers remaining uncorrected, or with easily missed connections, and a *hypothetical* problem of inappropriate editing of others' answers. Let's deal with the first one, according to my suggestion (users don't gain editing privileges for nothing), and *then* deal with the second one if or when it arises." CreationDate="2014-01-02T22:50:49.510" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6196" PostId="1344" Score="0" Text="I inserted the nota bene per the recommendation here into the first example above; as noted by quid, the user deleted the post shortly thereafter. (Note: I commented about the possible incorrectness back in May 2013, but received no response until the edit.) I also linked the **N.B.** to this response from Scott Morrison. I see above that Michal R. Przybylek comments this particular edit should not have been done, and that Lucia is concerned about vandalism. I have simply tried to follow the recommendation of a moderator; hopefully this doesn't ruffle (m)any feathers. If it has, my apologies." CreationDate="2014-01-03T00:18:50.810" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="6201" PostId="1344" Score="3" Text="@BenjaminDickman, my concern is that an answer starting with &quot;I believe...&quot; does not show enough confidence. Quid and Scott, I am not old enough to be interested in politics (i.e. I think I will not continue the discussion), but it seems that you miss the point --- the issue is not about dealing with *incorrect* answers, but with *judging* which answers are incorrect (Scott, have you checked that the answer was indeed incorrect?). Quid, I do not buy your logic, that if someone does not want to engage in a discussion, it means that he is wrong. (cont)" CreationDate="2014-01-03T01:52:45.423" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6202" PostId="1344" Score="2" Text="Scott, you answered a general case, not the specific one --- if my impression is wrong, then please say it in your post." CreationDate="2014-01-03T01:53:22.850" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6203" PostId="1344" Score="0" Text="@MichalR.Przybylek, sorry, I'm not actually sure what general and specific cases you're talking about now." CreationDate="2014-01-03T04:58:28.040" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6204" PostId="1344" Score="5" Text="@MichalR.Przybylek: Community editing is one of the pillars of MathOverflow functionality: everyone shares the responsibility for the correctness of every post. In particular, you should trust that if someone misedits a post then someone will rectify the situation. http://mathoverflow.net/help/editing" CreationDate="2014-01-03T08:51:18.680" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6227" PostId="1344" Score="1" Text="@MichalR.Przybylek of course nobody is under obligation to engage in lengthy discussion. Yet if somebody does not find the time to respond at all to a (reasonable) comment questioning the correctness of a math claim they made then IMO they need a very good reason (which could be as trivial as having overlooked the comment). If they have no time/interest/energy to back up their claim they could at least respond this." CreationDate="2014-01-03T22:19:41.370" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6280" PostId="1344" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, Quid, thank you for the explanation --- I see your point (of course I do not agree with you, and the recent comment of  Yazdegerd III, suggests that my understanding of the whole situation has been correct from the beginning)." CreationDate="2014-01-05T18:04:04.573" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="6153" PostId="1345" Score="11" Text="The issue I see is that these votes (roughly 4% of all votes) by outsiders are concentrated on a few popular questions. If they followed a distribution similar to the other votes then I wouldn't consider this a problem. But when a large portion of these votes are concentrated on a few questions then it does create a problem IMO. (I am guessing they are concentrated, I don't have access to voting data to confirm it.)" CreationDate="2014-01-01T23:43:25.393" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6154" PostId="1345" Score="1" Text="It would be nice to see how these votes are distributed over the posts (i.e. break down of these votes according to posts in place of users, something like:  &#xA;&#xA;post X, total upvotes 50, total downvotes 0, outsider upvotes 30, outsider downvotes 0)." CreationDate="2014-01-01T23:48:09.397" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6156" PostId="1345" Score="0" Text="Dear @Kaveh, In a certain sense I think one could view association-only voting to be *less* of a problem if it is more concentrated in a small number of questions/posts. My guess, which I suspect SE staff could also help shed light on, is that these are largely the product of click-throughs from &quot;hot question&quot; lists on other sites. If so, that also suggests a relatively simple &quot;fix&quot;. Cheers. :-)" CreationDate="2014-01-01T23:55:14.733" UserId="17114" />
  <row Id="6160" PostId="1345" Score="3" Text="Dear @cardinal, I wouldn't notice it if the outsider votes were distributed similar to MO user votes (considering that the total number of outsider votes are relatively small) so I think the concentration is more problematic. I feel the concern was a few questions attracting a relatively large amount of outsider votes, which is a systematic issue, not one about an outsider voting with ill-faith on MO. Personally the main issue is I see is that they skew the list of the highest voted posts (which I think of as the representatives of the sites' scope)." CreationDate="2014-01-02T00:14:04.663" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6161" PostId="1345" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh, I see. Admittedly, I have not followed this particularly closely here; though, personally I would find association-bonus-only voters exercising this privilege willy-nilly all across the site to be more pernicious than having it confined to a smaller subset of posts. My experience on other SE sites is that the highest voted posts are rarely the most representative and I would maybe go as far to say they are oftentimes among the *least* representative (though, I suppose it could be argued this is due, in part, to similar such behavior). :)" CreationDate="2014-01-02T00:19:12.727" UserId="17114" />
  <row Id="6162" PostId="1345" Score="2" Text="It doesn't make a huge difference but June 24, 2013, is the first day that users could use association bonuses to vote on MathOverflow." CreationDate="2014-01-02T01:02:35.043" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6164" PostId="1345" Score="0" Text="Still worse than I expected... But anyway thanks for  the data!" CreationDate="2014-01-02T01:17:15.867" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6165" PostId="1345" Score="3" Text="Thanks for these data on the cost of the association bonus.  Of course, costs alone can't tell us whether the association bonus is a good thing.  The costs need to be weighed against the benefits.  Personally, I see essentially no benefits, so that even if the costs were very much smaller than your data indicate, I'd still favor eliminating the bonus." CreationDate="2014-01-02T01:48:15.333" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="6166" PostId="1345" Score="14" Text="In recent days I've seen several &quot;hot network questions&quot; from MO advertised on other stackexchange sites (Mathematical research published in the form of poems, Teaching homology via everyday examples).  Advertising questions like these to non-mathematicians is asking for trouble.  Is there any reason why can't opt out of advertising specific MO questions on other sites?  Nobody would even notice, while removing the association bonus would surely raise at least a few complaints.  (I think it would be a good idea anyway, but this would an even easier first step.)" CreationDate="2014-01-02T01:49:32.440" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="6168" PostId="1345" Score="0" Text="@HenryCohn, someone suggested the same in another thread a few days ago. Want to start a new thread on that?" CreationDate="2014-01-02T03:02:44.817" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6169" PostId="1345" Score="2" Text="@ScottMorrison: Hmm, it already seems to be proposed at http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1307/4720, with a lot of support.  I'd be happy to start a new thread - does that still seem like a good idea?" CreationDate="2014-01-02T03:20:51.157" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="6170" PostId="1345" Score="0" Text="Ah, you're absolutely right. I'd forgotten that thread discussed this issue separately from the association bonus. Thanks." CreationDate="2014-01-02T03:31:49.243" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6179" PostId="1345" Score="2" Text="What is this concentration that people are talking about? Unless I have misunderstood, it seems that just a few percent of the 3528 votes in question are concentrated on the posts in the list, and the vast majority must then be not particularly concentrated." CreationDate="2014-01-02T16:37:34.357" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="6184" PostId="1345" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins the 'external' votes are concentrated in the sense that the proportion of 'external' votes on certain questions is *a lot* higher than the global 4 percent. (And I think it is so high that it is not just the to be expexted concentration due creating the list as those post with many external votes.) [Added: and that this is not still stronger is in my opinion due to the fact that this new hot list is not yet around since long and some other effects.]" CreationDate="2014-01-02T17:52:55.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6185" PostId="1345" Score="0" Text="@quid: Could you be more specific about your expectations? Do you have a model in mind where external votes are not that localized?" CreationDate="2014-01-02T18:59:13.767" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6186" PostId="1345" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I am not sure what you are asking me. I always thought that we would get not few external votes on soft q and lists. Now that, say, on Euclid it was a quater of all votes is more than I would have guessed. So qualitatively it is unsurprising and quantitatively bigger than I would have guessed. This assumes you ask about my first comment. If you ask about reply to JDH I think he should give a model without effect of concentration explaining the data." CreationDate="2014-01-02T19:10:16.103" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6189" PostId="1345" Score="7" Text="My perception is that this data shows that this topic is basically a non-issue, since the problematic votes amount to about a hundred or so in all, and only a very small handful of questions affected. There seems to be no serious issue here." CreationDate="2014-01-02T20:10:50.703" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="6190" PostId="1345" Score="1" Text="If one does still want to take the issue seriously, then one would need also to have data for the voters with, say, under 200 reputation, which seems still a different population from our users with say 1000+." CreationDate="2014-01-02T20:11:30.580" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="6191" PostId="1345" Score="4" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins I agree it is not that big a problem in the end. But regarding only a handful of questions being affected: this is not that clear, this new hot list is very recent and we saw significant effects on 'Euclid' on 'not improved.' I would assume we will continue to see such effects on a significant proportion of questions of a certain form (lists and soft). Granted it is perhaps not that big an issue whether Euclid has score 50 or 25 but still it is a noticeable difference. Also I agree it would be interesting to expand from users with no points to users with very few points (con)" CreationDate="2014-01-02T21:03:33.760" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6192" PostId="1345" Score="2" Text="(cont) Finally we could have some data to support the suspicion of some (or at least me) that a lot of the votes (though not all!) on the so 'popular' questions are due to people having no actual stake in the site." CreationDate="2014-01-02T21:08:55.750" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6200" PostId="1345" Score="0" Text="@quid: You could just ask for that data; that's what we did for the data here." CreationDate="2014-01-03T00:45:02.593" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6205" PostId="1345" Score="0" Text="@quid (as an association bonus only user) I do not think that having a stake in the site is really an issue when it comes to voting. If someone has an interest in any of the various SO/SE sites then it is reasonable that they would act the same way here as they do there with regards to voting. However, that has no data to support it, so I could be wrong. I really think this isn't having a major effect on the ultimate effectiveness of the site all anyway." CreationDate="2014-01-03T11:58:41.223" UserId="41585" />
  <row Id="6226" PostId="1345" Score="4" Text="@Sebastian perhaps having a stake was not the best way to express what I mean. But, first, if somebody votes in the same way (as you claim users do) on math.SE and on MO this is already quite likely problematic. Second, this discussion originated from the hot list. One can only vote on questions one can see. So if some q is shown to much more users this will bias the voting significantly (and stronger if assoc voting is in place). I do not like this. And actually primarily I do not like this hot-list things and alike, if things like this would not exists I would not mind assoc voting so much." CreationDate="2014-01-03T22:06:11.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6313" PostId="1345" Score="2" Text="The question with 20 votes on math videos online was posted on reddit a few months ago; thag's why it had so many votes." CreationDate="2014-01-07T15:31:40.290" UserId="27933" />
  <row Id="6315" PostId="1345" Score="2" Text="Same thing with the question on helping a young person achieve their potential." CreationDate="2014-01-07T15:34:10.830" UserId="27933" />
  <row Id="6862" PostId="1346" Score="0" Text="Is it possible to have the list updated with this question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/154913/a-hard-integral-identity-on-math-se ? I must say I am curious how that has even stayed open, much less attracted so many upvotes (and I am thus curious as to whether those votes are from outsiders)." CreationDate="2014-02-18T07:53:16.263" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6195" PostId="1349" Score="1" Text="Interesting idea. As a side-effect it could also help to focus/simplify discussion of what (if any) is the use/meaning of a down-vote." CreationDate="2014-01-02T23:03:47.197" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6199" PostId="1349" Score="1" Text="Something like this partially exists, see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/189/ and http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/191984/147496" CreationDate="2014-01-03T00:41:03.610" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6219" PostId="1349" Score="0" Text="Also, Stefan, is there are reason you don't believe this could be done now?" CreationDate="2014-01-03T20:08:35.110" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6222" PostId="1349" Score="0" Text="@Francois: I don't know. -- Implementing such error flags would need some programming -- not much, if the SE software is implemented in a reasonable way -- but it would likely be some more work than realizing the few presently highest-voted proposals in this thread." CreationDate="2014-01-03T21:15:38.353" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6223" PostId="1349" Score="0" Text="Maybe a partial implementation would be more doable?" CreationDate="2014-01-03T21:28:06.663" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6224" PostId="1349" Score="0" Text="@Francois: I think all this depends on what SE people can be convinced to implement -- and with that you surely have more experience than me." CreationDate="2014-01-03T21:31:51.480" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6225" PostId="1349" Score="0" Text="I think you should also post a formal feature request (perhaps with only some parts) so that SE staff have the opportunity to notice this." CreationDate="2014-01-03T21:37:10.400" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6229" PostId="1349" Score="1" Text="@Francois: O.k. -- I have posted this as a feature request here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1356/. -- Feel free to adjust the proposal if you think you can make it more likely to be implemented if you remove or change certain parts." CreationDate="2014-01-03T22:35:55.537" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6232" PostId="1349" Score="1" Text="Thanks Stefan. I just upvoted your request and I will try to make sure it gets the attention it deserves. It might not get implemented exactly as you ask but it is only by asking that progress can be made." CreationDate="2014-01-03T23:16:07.123" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6208" PostId="1351" Score="15" Text="I'm not sure I understand the last paragraph, in particular why the inevitability of growth means the hot questions list is a good idea for MO now.  One interpretation is that as MO grows, it will prove impossible to keep well-meaning visitors who lack professional-level knowledge from playing a major role in the site, so we might as well accept this now.  Is that what you mean?  I hope this isn't true, since from my perspective it would negate the main purpose of MO, but even if it is true, I don't see why speeding up this change is an improvement." CreationDate="2014-01-03T15:59:01.410" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="6209" PostId="1351" Score="21" Text="I'm also skeptical regarding how many people on other sites can even recognize a good question for a research-level site like MO. That works at math.stackexchange, whose mission is to answer math questions at all levels. If lots of random people want to know the answer to a question there, then that proves it's a valuable question. On the other hand, at MO this undermines the whole meaning of voting for borderline-appropriate questions. If lots of regular users think the question is a good fit for MO, that means something, but if lots of random visitors like the question, that means nothing." CreationDate="2014-01-03T16:10:32.617" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="6216" PostId="1351" Score="2" Text="My interpretation of the last paragraph is that growth will inevitably lead to some loss in the &quot;family atmosphere&quot; of MO as it grows into an everyday tool for a much larger mathematical community. We're already struggling with this as we witness the gradual erosion of our &quot;family values&quot; of which this is only one facet. That sounds sad now but it's not a bad thing in the long run. I think one of the reasons the reasons MO is struggling with network interactions right now is that MO is slightly ahead of its peers in this evolutionary step." CreationDate="2014-01-03T20:00:26.177" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6233" PostId="1351" Score="10" Text="&quot;if lots of random visitors like the question, that means nothing&quot;, says Henry. Or perhaps that means that the question is probably not a research-level question :-)" CreationDate="2014-01-03T23:35:12.707" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="6234" PostId="1351" Score="5" Text="Thanks for sharing your point of view on this. A detail about this hot list I always found strange and even more in view of you first bullet point (and also the second slightly) is: the way the 'hotness' formula is designed (if it did not change recently) it is likely (at least on MO) that a question making this list *will already have* several well-receuved answers. It does not even seem that relevant to find *additional* people that might *also* answer this particular question." CreationDate="2014-01-03T23:48:27.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6241" PostId="1351" Score="2" Text="@quid (and all) I'm going to talk to the guy that actually _wrote_ the algorithm before I edit / comment further, I want to be sure that what I think is correct is actually correct before offering more focused advice on a premise that might be erroneous. Probably not going to be able to chat with him until early next week so please, stay tuned. I still assert that the benefits outweigh the headaches and will continue to do so, but I want just a little more confidence in my understanding of how it works before I respond to these (very well thought out) comments." CreationDate="2014-01-04T07:25:41.220" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6248" PostId="1351" Score="1" Text="@TimPost: while you’re asking/answering these questions, I’d also be interested to know (if it can be disclosed at all) to what extent the hot-question list is universal.  Do all Stackexchange users see the hot list, or do we each see one customised according to our account/activity profile?" CreationDate="2014-01-04T17:05:36.377" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="6253" PostId="1351" Score="11" Text="I think that it is **very** important to point out that in the many meta threads about the hot list, as far as I can tell **no** active member of MO has expressed a positive impression of the hot list.  All the comments have been overwhelming negative..." CreationDate="2014-01-04T19:06:57.507" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6299" PostId="1351" Score="0" Text="I must admit that I only looked at the hot list, when I was new to MO, but now I only follow newest questions or links to older ones.  Maybe a &quot;most referenced&quot; list would be a better indication of the impact of a question on mathematical research and thus on how hot it actually is." CreationDate="2014-01-06T16:58:59.123" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6301" PostId="1351" Score="1" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine Everyone sees the same list, it's basically collected from all of the sites (or, well, sites where there's enough movement for a question to be considered interesting to the algorithm) and then it's cached. What I'm digging into is what makes it 'hot', which has come up before, but things changed since then. I'll get back to this as soon as I can, I promise, now curiosity is really eating at me! :)" CreationDate="2014-01-06T18:21:16.277" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6303" PostId="1351" Score="0" Text="Recently, Code Golf seems to be absolutely **dominating** the hot list anyway. I very rarely see a question from here." CreationDate="2014-01-06T19:33:10.017" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="6312" PostId="1351" Score="2" Text="@TRiG They've got a particularly sensational tag with some somewhat .. amusing .. questions that folks tend to swarm, Twitter is to blame for half of that too. That can be safely considered to be a fluke, or at least soon will be able to be safely considered a fluke." CreationDate="2014-01-07T15:29:21.547" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6342" PostId="1351" Score="2" Text="@TimPost does MO have the right to opt out of its questions being featured in the hot list, if the MO community really thinks the hot list does more harm than good? In my opinion, the hot list does nothing but undermine the purpose and high research-level academic quality of the site, distort what the local community considers to be the goal and scope of the site, brings in kibitzers that are not knowledgeable enough to decide what are good posts in accordance with MO standards, etc ... So I am interested in a clear answer if MO can opt out of this or not? Maybe that should be a new question.." CreationDate="2014-01-08T18:39:49.680" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="6351" PostId="1351" Score="0" Text="@TimPost and even questions that the MO community itself deems inappropriate for the site seem to get featured on the hot list, see the latest question who s title starts with Is this question appropriate? Featuring questions on the network hot list the local community deems not even appropriate for the site, is a blatant destortion and undermination of the scope  and purpose of MO. So again: is there a way for MO to completely get rid of being featured on the hot list and how can the procedure to remove it from the list of sites the algorithm chooses be started?" CreationDate="2014-01-09T07:09:06.327" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="6787" PostId="1351" Score="0" Text="strongly agreed with the overarching goal of ***avoiding insularity*** &amp; exploring ways to do that which still work in balance with some degree of expert elitism...." CreationDate="2014-02-11T20:08:08.213" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="6789" PostId="1351" Score="9" Text="@vzn : MathOverflow is by its nature &quot;insular&quot; in the sense that it is intended for professional research mathematicians, which is a fairly small and distinctive community.  I suspect that an attempt on the part of stackexchange to water down this emphasis or encourage other people to post here will result in MO leaving the stackexchange network (as per our operating agreement)." CreationDate="2014-02-11T23:07:21.077" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6791" PostId="1351" Score="0" Text="@Andy where is your operating agreement? it would be interesting to read that. suggest that _exclusive_ or _elite_ or maybe just _expert_ is maybe a better term to throw around than _insular_ which frankly, have not heard around here until today... some wild freeform discussion/contrasting povs of some of this key topic re &quot;insular&quot; with quid in the current [chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13722443#13722443). as for &quot;leaving&quot;, that strikes me as quite an improbability/unlikelihood not having heard anything on that... maybe you have more info on that somewhere..." CreationDate="2014-02-11T23:17:28.683" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="6792" PostId="1351" Score="9" Text="@vzn : The operating agreement is here : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bqmDNwzTjkLWxuR21FNHJWSXM/edit and the discussions that went into it can be found here http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1416/1/mathoverflow-20/" CreationDate="2014-02-11T23:22:14.207" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6798" PostId="1351" Score="0" Text="@ManfredWeis such a most referenced exists in a certain way, it is the [frequent tab](http://mathoverflow.net/questions?sort=frequent)" CreationDate="2014-02-12T16:58:54.323" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6800" PostId="1351" Score="0" Text="@quid thanks for the pointer; I didn't see the relation between frequency and importance." CreationDate="2014-02-13T05:49:07.387" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6210" PostId="1352" Score="8" Text="I agree entirely with this answer.  Commenting on a (possibly) incorrect answer, and supplying one's own answer are adequate ways of drawing attention to errors.  Changing someone else's answer to say it is incorrect is a step too far in my opinion." CreationDate="2014-01-03T16:46:13.503" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="6212" PostId="1352" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your response, too." CreationDate="2014-01-03T18:05:06.700" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="6218" PostId="1352" Score="6" Text="I kind of disagree with this. There shouldn't be half-measures with respect to community editing. You should trust the community (which includes you) to correct any erroneous edits from other community members. Ideally, this always happens without a hitch but site moderators will intervene in case of edit wars or other system failures." CreationDate="2014-01-03T20:07:00.510" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6221" PostId="1352" Score="3" Text="But surely there are guidelines on what are good edits.  For example the help page mentions edits that clarify the meaning without changing that meaning.  When we evaluate suggested edits we check for radical changes or vandalism.  I think one should promote good practices in editing at all times, rather than just hope that the community will fix problems if people go too far." CreationDate="2014-01-03T20:31:01.907" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="6228" PostId="1352" Score="3" Text="I think the negativity against stats.SE adds nothing useful here and seems somewhat rude (I have nothing to do with that site, this is a general point)." CreationDate="2014-01-03T22:26:29.090" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6230" PostId="1352" Score="2" Text="&quot;Think about how you would feel if someone who misread the question or misunderstood the relevant mathematics changed your correct answer.&quot; Not different from the way I would feel if they left a comment (that is I see no problem as long as they proceed in a reasonable way) as long as the edit is done in such a way that it *is visible* (without entering the edit history), as in Scott Morrison's suggestion that this is an addition/edit/commentary to the post and not due to me; then it would IMO also not really change the meaning of my OP. Comment vs edit (marked as such) IMO is technicallity." CreationDate="2014-01-03T22:46:35.083" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6213" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="Any reason you think this couldn't  be done now?" CreationDate="2014-01-03T18:47:35.420" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="21889" PostId="1353" Score="1" Text="I is possible to [favorite](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/favorites/info) a question - the list is then displayed in [the favorites tab](https://mathoverflow.net/users/current?tab=favorites) in your profile. Recently a new feature was implemented, it is possible to [follow a post](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/follow-post/info), in which case you get the notifications from that post (for new answers, comments, edits, etc.)" CreationDate="2020-04-13T11:35:52.670" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6214" PostId="1354" Score="1" Text="Using Google with `site:mathoverflow.net` will do item 1 and a bit of item 2." CreationDate="2014-01-03T19:07:41.070" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6215" PostId="1354" Score="3" Text="Search already does item 3: use `user:me` or `user:2000`, for example. http://mathoverflow.net/help/searching" CreationDate="2014-01-03T19:25:43.200" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7013" PostId="1354" Score="1" Text="I think the number one feature for an improved search should be: searching TeX content.  But then you need things that look alike should match somehow, even if the TeX is different." CreationDate="2014-03-07T14:22:31.167" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="24574" PostId="1354" Score="0" Text="A related post on this meta: [Searching for comments](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3247)." CreationDate="2021-01-11T13:11:00.110" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6231" PostId="1356" Score="6" Text="Should it be visible which user flagged? [IMO, yes.]" CreationDate="2014-01-03T23:07:44.423" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6235" PostId="1356" Score="1" Text="How many points would you suggest as the minimum for the privilege of setting error flags?" CreationDate="2014-01-03T23:57:42.780" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6236" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@quid: Obviously yes." CreationDate="2014-01-04T00:13:49.093" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6237" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@Gerry: Good question. -- On the one hand one could argue to treat it like the other flags (anyone with at least 15 points can flag), and on the other one could argue to treat it like an edit (&gt;= 2000 points to perform it immediately, anyone can make a suggestion subject to approval)." CreationDate="2014-01-04T00:21:52.450" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6238" PostId="1356" Score="3" Text="Apart from the bumping, this isn't really more useful than commenting." CreationDate="2014-01-04T01:52:43.037" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="6239" PostId="1356" Score="2" Text="@MichaelGreinecker: Isn't bumping one of the main points?" CreationDate="2014-01-04T02:04:37.667" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6242" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I'm not sure. But MO doesn't really suffer from overly long, boring comment threads AFAIK." CreationDate="2014-01-04T09:02:20.770" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="6243" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="The voting on the original proposal [here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1053/big-list-of-feature-requests-and-suggestions-for-a-fantasy-mo-3-0/1349#1349) and on this post differs significantly. -- Is there any difference between the posts which explains this?" CreationDate="2014-01-04T13:27:57.220" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6245" PostId="1356" Score="1" Text="@MichaelGreinecker this proposal originated in [a discussion how to draw attention to potential errors](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1342/dealing-with-possible-incorrectness). The problem to be solve (in some people's opinion at least) is that on an *old* post a *new* comment will not be seen much, except by OP who gets notified. Typically this should also be sufficient, but if OP is for example unrespeonsive one might want to draw other's attention to the situation so that it can be evaluated which claim seems to be right." CreationDate="2014-01-04T14:48:17.983" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6246" PostId="1356" Score="2" Text="@quid Sure, but it is not clear why many people should see such a comment. There is a risk that some people saw an old answer, &quot;learned&quot; something wrong in it and never revisited the question, so they will take their confusion to the grave. I doubt this is a big issue. The other thread was among other things about reduced visibility because the wrong answer was upvoted too much, something that should not be a problem. In a place for professional mathematics, people can be assumed to consume the material carefully. IMHO" CreationDate="2014-01-04T15:14:05.970" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="6251" PostId="1356" Score="2" Text="@MichaelGreinecker the *main* reason why I think having visibilty is relevant is so that more people can opine which of the contradictory claims is *correct*. In the other thread I gave a reason why it can even be relevant to highlight an actual *correction.*  But if somebody *claims* there is an error somewhere, and the person having supposedly commited the error does not acknowledge this (or even contradicts it) then I think in most cases it is in the best interest of both to get extra opinions. Even when being careful it can be difficult for some reader to decide on their own." CreationDate="2014-01-04T19:00:23.720" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6252" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@quid I'm sure there are situations where this is an issue. But the changes to the system are not small ones and I'm not sure it is worth the effort. I would be very, very surprised if this would actually be implemented." CreationDate="2014-01-04T19:05:06.723" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="6254" PostId="1356" Score="2" Text="@MichaelGreinecker Put differently the main use of this flag in my mind is not to highlight cases of 'clear' errors but for cases where somebody is convinced there is an error but there is no straightforward way to prove it/convince everybody, and the claim might also be incorrect. I think of it more like a flag to &quot;challenge a claim&quot; than to &quot;mark an error&quot;. If one wants a more positive spin one could also consider it as an &quot;urgent request for clarification.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-01-04T19:08:56.037" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6255" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker sorry for yet another comment, the second was written before seeing you reply. I'd guess technically it is rather simple to get something like this using existing things. Also socially (ie the idea how the site should work) it seems to follow the main idea for evaluation. Evaluation is done via opinion of others (via votes). In some cornercases voting might not work anymore, thus some mechanism for another round of opinion/voting. That being said: IMO, the idea is good but it is not very important to have this either. Chances are it will not be implemented, but who knows." CreationDate="2014-01-04T19:18:38.900" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6256" PostId="1356" Score="4" Text="@quid I largely agree, I just think it is more productive to try to find a way to archive this with the existing capabilities." CreationDate="2014-01-04T19:46:09.490" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="6278" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="What I see as a problem is a discrepancy between the intended semantics (quoting quid, “cases where somebody is convinced there is an error but there is no straightforward way to prove it/convince everybody, and the claim might also be incorrect”) and the proposed implementation: a sign below the voting arrows would very much suggest that this is a verdict officially sanctioned by the community, rather than some individual’s opinion. I would find it more adequate if the sign could appear near a regular *comment* explicating the alleged error." CreationDate="2014-01-05T17:53:00.153" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="6281" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="In particular, I am concerned about the potential of abuse of the flag." CreationDate="2014-01-05T18:19:51.713" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="6283" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek what form of abuse do you have in mind?  (One could attach a cost like for downvotes if it is just about using it too much.)" CreationDate="2014-01-05T18:52:29.737" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6292" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: I doubt abuse would be a serious concern -- if something is flagged as an error which is no actual error, anyone who can edit the post could remove the flag." CreationDate="2014-01-05T23:00:02.580" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6293" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@Francois: Given the outcome of the poll which I think is sufficiently clear, I consider my proposal as rejected." CreationDate="2014-01-06T10:16:07.557" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6294" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="Thanks for doing this Stefan. It wasn't clear that the community would respond this way. Unfortunately, it is still unclear to me whether the community is simply adverse to marking things wrong or to something else." CreationDate="2014-01-06T11:19:58.153" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6304" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="Here is an alternative idea that might worth looking at: in place of flagging for being incorrect we can ask for a feature where users can publicly endorse an answer, so if there is a incorrect answer with more upvotes than the correct one an expert can endorsed the correct one to make it clear it has been verified and also to draw attention to it. (This is already possible by commenting so it is more an issue of representation, we can move the list of people who have endorsed or to the top of the comment thread. It should be possible to do this with no modification to the system and using a" CreationDate="2014-01-07T01:30:45.937" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6305" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="userscript and the userscript can also add a button for endorsing, users who do not use the script will simply see something like &quot;endorsed by X&quot;. We can also implement something similar for stating the answer is incorrect. Search can also be supported by using the existing search or Data Explorer.)" CreationDate="2014-01-07T01:38:24.283" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6240" PostId="1357" Score="8" Text="Thank you very much for your feedback, Matthew. I think I can understand your reaction to the mathematics, but for various reasons don't think it would be appropriate to pursue this here at meta. I have seen Makoto treat some users with respect and regard. Sometimes he seems to ignore them. I have also seen not a few troublesome situations arise with his questions and comments; some of the history might not be easy to see. I prefer to leave it that and hope for &quot;healing&quot; with regard to his involvement at MO, but I repeat that I appreciate hearing your dissenting opinion on the matter." CreationDate="2014-01-04T06:51:22.517" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6244" PostId="1357" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: Dear Todd, Thanks very much for your reply. Best wishes, Matthew" CreationDate="2014-01-04T13:47:22.470" UserId="2874" />
  <row Id="6247" PostId="1357" Score="4" Text="I don't think there was anything fundamentally wrong with the question itself. The question was deleted because the OP was using it to circumvent a regular process on MSE. If this process is over and the question will remain deleted there, then there is no problem undeleting here." CreationDate="2014-01-04T16:16:13.010" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6265" PostId="1357" Score="3" Text="@Francois: The question is no longer deleted on MSE." CreationDate="2014-01-04T23:06:31.277" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6257" PostId="1359" Score="0" Text="Thank you, but I have to  contradict you in one point. I just succeeded in flagging for moderator attention additionally to a &quot;close&quot; flag to test this. (I hope the moderators don't get mad :-))" CreationDate="2014-01-04T22:04:11.817" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="6259" PostId="1359" Score="0" Text="You are welcome and thanks for the info. This is interesting; this should depend on the flag one used. I recalled it from happening to me reltated to a spam flag (it was not cast error but I then wanted to inform moderators about something related to the issue and it did not work). This is still the case (for spam) as I just checked. I strongly assume it would be the same for 'offensive.' Not sure about the others. [THinking about it, it could also depend on whether the first flag is still active.]" CreationDate="2014-01-04T22:14:58.350" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6260" PostId="1359" Score="0" Text="Ok, so it depends on the particular flag. After &quot;close&quot; flag, it seems you can additionally flag for moderators, after &quot;spam&quot; not anymore... I speak of a still &quot;active&quot; flag." CreationDate="2014-01-04T22:15:16.517" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="6261" PostId="1359" Score="0" Text="You could try what happens for &quot;not and answer&quot; on this answer." CreationDate="2014-01-04T22:21:43.473" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6262" PostId="1359" Score="1" Text="I flagged as &quot;not an answer&quot; and then flagged for moderator attention. It works." CreationDate="2014-01-04T22:24:30.253" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="6263" PostId="1359" Score="2" Text="@AndrásBátkai Nope; not mad at all. Go ahead and experiment. :-)" CreationDate="2014-01-04T22:24:58.677" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6264" PostId="1359" Score="0" Text="@AndrásBátkai Some info from meta.SO http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/176910/are-multiple-flags-on-the-same-question-now-allowed and http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/165376/why-are-users-allowed-to-flag-the-same-post-multiple-times  Also I just checked that now that my spamflag got declined I can again flag for moderators." CreationDate="2014-01-04T22:48:56.067" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6266" PostId="1361" Score="0" Text="Where did you get the emails? AFAIK, entering an email is not required for suggested edits." CreationDate="2014-01-05T03:53:21.587" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6268" PostId="1361" Score="0" Text="The username is the e-mail address." CreationDate="2014-01-05T06:46:53.430" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="6298" PostId="1362" Score="2" Text="A much newer system has been installed next to that, which kicks in way before it did (hence coming up with something better). It's still there as a backup, but the new 'spam ram' system is keeping most of this out." CreationDate="2014-01-06T15:58:59.897" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6279" PostId="1365" Score="5" Text="@the first voter: So, a negative vote here means that you either agree with error flags in the proposed form, or you don’t agree with error flags at all, but you are not sure which of the two?" CreationDate="2014-01-05T17:59:39.027" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="6282" PostId="1366" Score="4" Text="I downvoted this as I am in favor of the proposal. In principle it would be better if one only upvoted in such poll situations (and on meta.math.SE this is always done like this or at least it is directly suggested to do so). Yet since others already downvoted other answers it seems necessary to also do so not to have a biased voting due to different 'voting rules.' [More generally, while I know where it comes from and was well intentioned, I think in this case offering the answers for voting did more harm than good.]" CreationDate="2014-01-05T18:44:39.897" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6295" PostId="1368" Score="10" Text="Questions older than 30 days cannot be migrated, not even by mods." CreationDate="2014-01-06T12:31:54.447" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6296" PostId="1368" Score="0" Text="I've cp'd Ben Chow's answer to MSE as a CW. Thanks for making it (at least temporarily) visible." CreationDate="2014-01-06T12:48:18.850" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6297" PostId="1368" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Willie. Still learning here." CreationDate="2014-01-06T12:50:56.780" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6300" PostId="1370" Score="5" Text="This happens automatically. Negatively voted questions without any [upvoted] answers are eventually deleted." CreationDate="2014-01-06T18:20:33.560" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6302" PostId="1370" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila thanks for the clarification, but is it OK to pull the 'emergency break' myself, because I feel I couldn't get an idea across?" CreationDate="2014-01-06T18:28:28.103" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="6311" PostId="1370" Score="0" Text="There is some argument for leaving the negative questions.  For example: new users will be able to see that this sort of question is discouraged." CreationDate="2014-01-07T15:22:37.703" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6307" PostId="1372" Score="7" Text="The question how to introduce MO to someone is a question that seems a lot better for meta.MO (this site) than for the main site. I strongly advise you to ask this question here, and not on main. If I do not misunderstand completely what you want to ask, it is quite likely to be migrated here, regardless. And, as a bonus, if you ask it here you do not have to worry about points at all :-)" CreationDate="2014-01-07T07:10:01.630" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6308" PostId="1372" Score="7" Text="The first of those questions (about coffee/tea) does not seem like a question that belongs on MO." CreationDate="2014-01-07T08:22:02.233" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6309" PostId="1372" Score="1" Text="Perhaps the question about tea could be asked at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/." CreationDate="2014-01-07T10:17:34.367" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="6310" PostId="1372" Score="2" Text="I'm serious about my comment above." CreationDate="2014-01-07T10:18:53.263" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="6336" PostId="1372" Score="2" Text="@TobiasKildetoft I am curious how others prepare themselves to do mathematics. Some people drink coffee, others tea, Erdős was doing Benzedrine, etc. Since in professional sport it is crucial to prepare yourself before you do it, i would like to know how other mathematicians prepare themselves before they are doing mathematics." CreationDate="2014-01-07T20:00:53.153" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="6352" PostId="1372" Score="2" Text="It would be difficult to make your post into CW by several edits very quickly, since there is [5 minutes grace period](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/20441/is-there-a-grace-period-for-correction-of-edits). This means that all edits you made withing 5 minutes are counted as one edit." CreationDate="2014-01-09T11:50:44.953" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6432" PostId="1372" Score="2" Text="Maybe the real question is &quot;why is it so complicated to make questions CW?&quot;. It takes only 10 reputation points to make your own *answer* CW, but it's impossible to make a *question* CW unless you are a moderator (10.000 points; no separate privilege &quot;creating CW questions&quot; at a lower threshold even exists)." CreationDate="2014-01-14T04:37:43.457" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="6314" PostId="1374" Score="6" Text="In my opinion, if a physics question is translated into a proper mathematical question, it is on-topic on MO. However if it is asked as a physics question, it is rather off-topic. The given question on the Mpemba effect simply explains this effect and asks for explanations in terms of mathematical models -- hence it does not provide this translation. Therefore I think it qualifies as a reasonable physics question, but rather not as a mathematical question." CreationDate="2014-01-07T15:32:11.290" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6316" PostId="1374" Score="0" Text="I am not *translating* a physics question into a proper mathematical question, that is true, and I think this rarely happens. Mathematicians and physicists generally ask *different* questions, even when their discussion is motivated by the same &quot;real world&quot; phenomena or effect. My question is mathematical, the question is whether numerical analysis and simulation methods can deal with the basic equations describing heat flow with convection and evaporation or other fundamental processes that are responsable for the Mpemba, according to the various theories proposed by physicists and chemists." CreationDate="2014-01-07T15:47:47.040" UserId="36090" />
  <row Id="6317" PostId="1374" Score="0" Text="I added an introductory paragraph on the Mpemba effect to provide a context for my question. If that is too much physics for MO, then I can delete it or replace it by a link to wikipedia." CreationDate="2014-01-07T15:51:21.007" UserId="36090" />
  <row Id="6318" PostId="1374" Score="4" Text="@UwF: I doubt the first paragraph is the issue. Look at the second paragraph. It seems like your asking for experiments verifying proposed hypotheses. Perhaps you're specifically looking for *in silico* experiments? (That's what the third paragraph suggests.) Are you looking for theoretical work at all? Maybe? Mostly? The question is not clear about any of this. I don't think classifying the question as math or physics makes sense before those items are clarified." CreationDate="2014-01-07T16:04:55.310" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6319" PostId="1374" Score="0" Text="I am looking for theoretical work, yes. But I am not sure why you doubt this, can you please explain what *you* mean by theoretical work?" CreationDate="2014-01-07T16:08:36.093" UserId="36090" />
  <row Id="6320" PostId="1374" Score="4" Text="@UwF: The point of what I wrote is that your question is too vague, which has nothing to do with whether it's physics or not. Once you make your question precise, it will be clear whether it is on-topic for MO. If you leave it to the reader to make the question precise, it is extremely likely that 5 users will do that in a way that makes the question off-topic." CreationDate="2014-01-07T16:13:49.067" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6321" PostId="1374" Score="0" Text="@ François My question was a simple reference request. I am sorry that I gave some motiviation for my interest in this question and that this is not 100% purely mathematical. But I don't understand why some people here feel that they have to purge MO of anything interdisciplinary &quot;none-pure&quot;. I can not agree with such a restricted view of mathematics." CreationDate="2014-01-07T16:22:00.363" UserId="36090" />
  <row Id="6322" PostId="1374" Score="3" Text="@UwF: Please read my comments again; I explicitly said that motivation isn't the main issue I see with the question. (By the way, in general, talking about &quot;some people&quot; is not a good way to make friends.)" CreationDate="2014-01-07T16:32:47.810" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6323" PostId="1374" Score="1" Text="@UwF Obviously there is no need to be &quot;sorry&quot; (or was that sarcasm?). Possibly it would help to relegate your motivation to a section titled &quot;background&quot;, and delineate as clearly as possible what exactly you want to know; François several comments ago was expressing his confusion over what the question is. Also: try not to be argumentative (&quot;I don't understand why some people here feel that they have to purge MO of anything interdisciplinary &quot;none-pure&quot;.&quot; -- that's kind of argumentative)." CreationDate="2014-01-07T16:32:48.017" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6324" PostId="1374" Score="9" Text="There are different kinds of applied mathematics.  The kind that proves theorems is clearly on-topic for MO.  However, there is another kind that focuses on model building, numerical simulation, etc.  This is a much fuzzier area.  Technical questions about the mathematical tools they use (e.g. about numerical analysis) seem to me to be on-topic as long as they are at a sufficiently high level.  But questions that are more directly about how to model some phenomena (like the one here) don't seem to me to be on-topic.  The problem is that the issues here are not the mathematics," CreationDate="2014-01-07T16:44:58.677" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6325" PostId="1374" Score="5" Text="(continued) but the physics (or chemistry, or biology, or...) of the thing they are trying to model.  While these are certainly interesting and important areas, I simply don't think that they are a good fit for MO." CreationDate="2014-01-07T16:47:33.843" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6326" PostId="1374" Score="0" Text="Francois, Sorry, I didn't mean you by &quot;some people&quot;. I mean those that just downvote or vote to close, but don't get involved in the discussion. Todd, Yes, I now see that I should have organized my question in a different way. But I am not happy with the attitude towards applied and/or interdisciplinary subjects that the reaction to my post reflects. I asked for references and added a few lines to explain my interest in the subject. Why do those who don't know any reference and are not interested in the question have to close it? Why not simply ignore it? Does my question do any harm to MO?" CreationDate="2014-01-07T16:55:26.703" UserId="36090" />
  <row Id="6329" PostId="1374" Score="6" Text="@UwF I shouldn't presume to speak for the closers for this particular question, but I think in general a lot of people don't want MO to become a free-for-all. Thus, we have distributed moderation. You don't have to be interested in a question or have a reference at hand in order to feel it's not right for MO. With regard to attitudes toward &quot;applied math&quot;, etc. -- this is why I made this post: to bring such things into the open. I would like readers from a broad spectrum to enter this discussion. I do sense that many &quot;applied mathematicians&quot; (*faute de mieux*) share some of your attitudes." CreationDate="2014-01-07T17:33:02.113" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6330" PostId="1374" Score="6" Text="@UwF: I think your grieviance towards the MO community is unjustified. I have not seen any bias against applied or interdisciplinary question on MO, provided that the mathematical core of the questions is 1). Well elucidated in the question AND 2). And this core is mathematically interesting in itself.  I think your question (in its current form) has failed 1). and hence it is being closed. Usually doing 1). correctly involves the step of modeling the physical phenomenon, which is expected from the person asking the question. I don't see any effort on your part to do this so far." CreationDate="2014-01-07T18:14:17.113" UserId="30684" />
  <row Id="6331" PostId="1374" Score="3" Text="Possibly it could be useful to figure out what type of &quot;applied&quot; (for lack of a better words) questions should be asked on MO to consider which of these might be better asked on the [Computational Science SE](http://scicomp.stackexchange.com/) where some of the top users are *mathematicians* too (also in the 'narrow sense' of mathematcians proving thms and working in academia).&#xA;&#xA;Of course that there is another site does not make it off-topic here and question can be on-topic on multiple sites. Still the existance of that site could perhaps play a role in deciding what is and is not for MO." CreationDate="2014-01-07T19:04:35.713" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6332" PostId="1374" Score="0" Text="By the way are there  any discussion/relation between these two sites (on moderator level)?&#xA;And/or what about migrating the question in question there? (I do not know that site well; likely one should double check with moderators there first, whence the first question.) How would @UwF think about this? (I saw in your profile you are on several sites but not there.)" CreationDate="2014-01-07T19:05:28.623" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6334" PostId="1374" Score="0" Text="@quid: CompSci is still beta so we can't open a migration channel, you have to go through moderators." CreationDate="2014-01-07T19:24:04.807" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6335" PostId="1374" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais yes, I know; this was somehow intended as a suggestion for you (the moderators)." CreationDate="2014-01-07T19:30:39.917" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6416" PostId="1374" Score="0" Text="There was a lengthy discussion on the issue on tea prompted by [this question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/80146/is-the-mendeleev-table-explained-in-quantum-mechanics/80148#80148)." CreationDate="2014-01-13T08:50:04.720" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="6327" PostId="1375" Score="3" Text="On the other hand, MO is intrinsically not well-suited to some cross-disciplinary questions. Although UwF's question is interesting for its connections to &quot;evaporation, convection, gas dissolved in the water, or interactions on molecular level&quot;, it is probably a true statement that the vast majority of people who contribute to MO have next to nothing to say about these issues. One can even assert that (as I just did) without snide asides about &quot;some people&quot;..." CreationDate="2014-01-07T17:18:17.697" UserId="20787" />
  <row Id="6328" PostId="1375" Score="2" Text="There might be a larger number of people on MO interested in &quot;in silico&quot; experimentation (I love that phrase), and a focussed mathematical question along those lines might work better, as you suggested in a comment." CreationDate="2014-01-07T17:19:07.753" UserId="20787" />
  <row Id="6337" PostId="1376" Score="2" Text="+1 I'm very glad to have your take on this, Dirk." CreationDate="2014-01-07T21:57:20.573" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6360" PostId="1376" Score="0" Text="Hi Dirk, Having other sites in the stackexchange netwerk that can be relevant to a good research-level question should not be a consideration by us. Also, since MO is, by a good margin, higher research-quality site than others, if you want to get an answer also for an interdiciplinary question, asking on MO can be a good strategy." CreationDate="2014-01-10T06:48:20.160" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="6362" PostId="1376" Score="3" Text="@GilKalai I partly agree. In applied math research one sometimes needs mathematical advice on tools that one wants to use (e.g. Which iterative method will perform best on this huge linear system? What pitfalls are there when I set up finite elements for this coupled system of PDEs?). Well, these question are about research but I have the feeling that I will get better answers on scicomp (in these examples) than here. Also, other users of scicomp may also find these questions/answers a useful resource. So my questions on computational tools would go to scicomp while  (cont.)" CreationDate="2014-01-10T08:41:13.770" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="6363" PostId="1376" Score="1" Text="for questions on an application that need somehow broader expertise I would also consider MO." CreationDate="2014-01-10T08:42:13.913" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="6508" PostId="1376" Score="0" Text="This [recent question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/155229/what-properties-of-knots-lead-lord-kelvin-to-hypothesize-that-atoms-were-knots-i) is a good counterexample to my point." CreationDate="2014-01-21T10:13:53.343" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="6338" PostId="1377" Score="0" Text="I partly agree. The question in question seems a lot better to me than various other questions of this general type we saw (I would not call it excellent though). I think an unfortuante phrasing at the start gave it an unintended and unfortunate spin (Theo Johnson-Freyd pointed this out on main)." CreationDate="2014-01-08T12:18:14.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6340" PostId="1377" Score="1" Text="Thanks, Gil. What constraints, if any, do you think there should be for applied mathematics questions to be suitable for MO? François and Dirk have already listed some considerations which appear rational to me, having to do with a desire to maintain focused questions. I'd add this: my impression is that a successful mathematical modeling often requires a certain extra-mathematical expertise; for example, one might have to acquire detailed knowledge about and visualize exactly what happens when X rays hit DNA and how DNA repairs itself, before developing a viable statistical analysis. (Cont.)" CreationDate="2014-01-08T18:15:31.073" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6341" PostId="1377" Score="1" Text="(Cont.) Should such modeling considerations, far beyond the scope of the usual knowledge of mathematicians, be allowed to enter discussions? My feeling is that such matters would prove rather distracting, as well as difficult for the community to evaluate, and that we get into slippery slope territory. So personally I'd want to pretty much constrain discussions to their specifically mathematical cores. (Feel free to add to your answer to elucidate your beliefs on such matters.)" CreationDate="2014-01-08T18:19:51.563" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6354" PostId="1377" Score="1" Text="Hi Todd, The constraints for questions in applied mathematics (and questions on applications of mathematics in other areas) are just like the constraints in pure mathematics: The question should be of interest to research-level mathematicians, of sufficient academic level, and satisfy our other requirements." CreationDate="2014-01-09T17:19:47.027" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="6339" PostId="1378" Score="2" Text="I think the observation about soft questions is well made. Thanks for responding." CreationDate="2014-01-08T17:06:04.913" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="8178" PostId="1378" Score="0" Text="I'm slightly less optimistic about the built in quality control of MO. I've seen answers with elementary blunders that were pointed out in the comments accumulate upvotes several times (and that's after just a few months on MO). For answers with elementary blunders not pointed out in the comments, all bets are off obviously (I should know, I wrote some such myself)." CreationDate="2014-07-06T04:05:26.963" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="6357" PostId="1380" Score="1" Text="Douglas, I agree with quite a lot of what you wrote, but I'm wary of your bolded sentence &quot;The original question just doesn't look like a question on applied mathematics&quot;.  I have no opinion on the original question; I just don't think I like that phrase *as a general principle*.  It's too conservative, too reactionary.  For instance, one of the major applications of category theory is to computer science.  If you saw some question about monads in functional programming, maybe you (or others) wouldn't think it looked like a question on applied mathematics.  [continues...]" CreationDate="2014-01-09T23:35:13.113" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="6358" PostId="1380" Score="1" Text="[continued] But that's only because of coincidences of history.  What we most readily think of as &quot;applied mathematics&quot; is applications of *certain* parts of mathematics to *certain* parts of non-mathematics - most traditionally, applications of differential equations to physics.  Judging a question according to whether it fits our preconceptions of what applied mathematics &quot;looks like&quot; seems to me to be a recipe for excluding exciting and important developments." CreationDate="2014-01-09T23:37:28.637" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="6359" PostId="1380" Score="2" Text="@Tom Leinster: You don't have to classify all possible future developments. There is room to trust the judgement of people with $3000+$ reputation. If someone posts what appears to be a chemistry problem, whose solution appears to depend on ideas from chemistry and not mathematics, then he or she should explain why this is really an applied math problem despite the appearance. A question which appears to be about chemistry without a good explanation should be closed as off-topic. Saying that science involves mathematical models is not a good explanation." CreationDate="2014-01-09T23:49:54.847" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="6365" PostId="1380" Score="1" Text="The objection raised in this post is perharps reasonable for a vote to close on a certain reading of the original version. For the revised version it seems not to apply at all. The question is a reference request *presicely* for (applied) mathematical work on an related to certain models for the Mpemba effect or similar problems, namely it asks &quot;Are there any mathematical studies [...] based on the equations proposed to describe or explain the Mpemba effect?&quot; It does not ask for new models, an evaluation of the models, or anything. It asks for a mathemcatical study of some equations." CreationDate="2014-01-10T11:13:54.137" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6366" PostId="1380" Score="0" Text="There are other objections one could raise, and I do not find this a great question either (although I think it should/could stay) but the one raised here seems besides the point. In addition, why is it asked why it was not asked on physics.SE when the OP links to a question on this asked on physics.SE? This seems like pure rhetoric. Indeed, it seems very clear why it was not asked on physics.SE, namely because it is an applied math question. For example, it seems to me OP would *also* be interested in math. interesting work inspired by this that is not really pertinent to 'the real world'." CreationDate="2014-01-10T11:20:07.760" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6387" PostId="1380" Score="0" Text="Douglas: I agree with everything you say in your comment above, although it doesn't seem like a reply to my own comments." CreationDate="2014-01-11T21:30:24.970" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="6343" PostId="1381" Score="0" Text="I should add that if a consensus results on many answers, the material would be a valuable addition on how to ask questions on MathOverflow.  Gerhard &quot;Looking To Leverage All Efforts&quot; Paseman, 2014.01.08" CreationDate="2014-01-08T19:12:03.987" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="6344" PostId="1381" Score="1" Text="Not sure this fits your idea so initially only a comment: sometimes people ask a &quot;reference request&quot; that is rather a &quot;document request&quot;, that is they ask for a copy of a certain article/book. Perhpas it is worth mentioning the distinction (and dicussing this type of request too). Similarly, requests for the existance of translations." CreationDate="2014-01-08T21:13:11.180" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6345" PostId="1381" Score="0" Text="I think it is a ramification worth discussing.  If in addition to the document or translation request, there is an accompanying useful or interesting idea, then I would not mind so much.  If there were a way to &quot;file&quot; such requests so that they did not clog the main views of MathOverflow, then I think it would be useful to retain those.  I agree that this issue by itself merits discussion.  Gerhard &quot;Recommends Making It An Answer&quot; Paseman, 2014.01.08" CreationDate="2014-01-08T21:19:45.670" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="17092" PostId="1381" Score="0" Text="@user9072 To alleviate that situation I created the &quot;paper request&quot; tag some time ago. I hope it will be better known with time!" CreationDate="2018-09-05T10:36:46.263" UserId="1234" />
  <row Id="6346" PostId="1383" Score="2" Text="I am mildly amused at the request of existential examples to aid in studying a subject ostensibly laden with universal statements.  I suppose MO could stand another big list question." CreationDate="2014-01-09T02:02:48.420" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="6347" PostId="1383" Score="0" Text="This seems like a fine question to me, though I know very little about universal algebra and thus am probably not the best judge." CreationDate="2014-01-09T02:20:23.327" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6348" PostId="1383" Score="2" Text="If they are still available at Cal, you might get George Bergman's 245 notes. If any one alive can do counterexamples in UA, he could likely do them better." CreationDate="2014-01-09T02:34:31.527" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="6349" PostId="1383" Score="0" Text="Posted: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/154017/counterexamples-in-universal-algebra." CreationDate="2014-01-09T02:55:39.423" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="6350" PostId="1383" Score="0" Text="I have seen that question in the hot list on physics just a minute ago ... :-/" CreationDate="2014-01-09T06:57:05.157" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="6355" PostId="1386" Score="4" Text="While I agree that algebraic geometry and number theory are over-represented on MO relative to mathematics as a whole, I think your tag count here is misleading.  Algebraic geometry and number theory are enormously broad areas; however, for cultural reasons people still usually tag most questions about them as algebraic geometry and number theory.  Algebraic topology and differential geometry, however, are more specialized and precise.  For instance, I suspect that lots of questions about hyperbolic geometry or the topology of manifolds are tagged using different tags." CreationDate="2014-01-09T21:10:03.330" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6361" PostId="1386" Score="7" Text="If only... it seems that getting a job in logic and set theory would be much easier if MO tag sizes were an accurate depiction of reality." CreationDate="2014-01-10T08:13:33.720" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6367" PostId="1386" Score="4" Text="There are almost exactly twice as many questions tagged in logic than in analysis-of-pdes." CreationDate="2014-01-10T12:33:46.420" UserId="5678" />
  <row Id="6356" PostId="1387" Score="0" Text="I just checked some easily accessed data on the arXiv: recent submissions in the four areas I mentioned give a ratio of (45+39)/(15+44), which is &lt;1.5.  Interesting." CreationDate="2014-01-09T22:36:29.800" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="6386" PostId="1387" Score="0" Text="These four number $45, 39, 15, 44$ (or rather either of them divided by their sum) give much more info than the ratio you computed. So what is the point of doing so (not only for your comment, but also for the above question)?" CreationDate="2014-01-11T20:07:21.193" UserId="21291" />
  <row Id="6370" PostId="1388" Score="7" Text="SE is going to overhaul the hot questions algorithm in the near future, it might make sense to see if those changes alleviate the concerns from the MO community." CreationDate="2014-01-10T18:47:19.007" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6372" PostId="1388" Score="3" Text="@MadScientist: Is this algorithm overhaul going to be &quot;if site=MO then ignore; elseif site=MSE then score=score/3; elseif as before&quot; :-)" CreationDate="2014-01-10T23:07:59.520" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6375" PostId="1388" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila I have some hope that CW questions might be excluded in the future, that would help with the soft question that get disproportionally popular." CreationDate="2014-01-11T08:04:15.900" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6376" PostId="1388" Score="3" Text="@MadScientist is there some dedicated discussion of this going on somewhere to which one might contribute? CW is one thing, I agree. But another thing in my opinion is that the hot-formula is quite strange in that it gives in some sense most visibility to question that *already got many answers* (assuming score is not to bad overall). And when they reach the list they get still more...so then they get protected to block further answers...quite absurd, in a fun way :-)" CreationDate="2014-01-11T13:47:05.080" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6377" PostId="1388" Score="2" Text="@quid As far as I understood SE is going to look at the whole algorithm, so they might also fix the rather strong weight it places on a large number of answers. There is no public discussion specifically for this, but there are quite a few older posts on MSO about the flaws of the algorithm." CreationDate="2014-01-11T14:16:43.177" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6460" PostId="1388" Score="1" Text="@quid: The thing which seems strangest about the hot questions algorithm, to me, is that it is not personalised at all.  So someone who is interested mainly in cooking and Judaism will get the same hot questions as someone interested mainly in theoretical computer science and aviation. So, everyone sees many questions they don’t care about, or that they care about but are not qualified to discuss at the site’s level.  The obvious simple fix would be to restrict the hot-list a user sees to sites they are already members of, or established on.  This would clearly be too drastic: [cont’d]" CreationDate="2014-01-16T13:04:06.477" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="6461" PostId="1388" Score="0" Text="one of the main functions of the hot list is to advertise sites within the network, and hence attract new members to sites.  And this function would need to be retained.  But a more refined version of this could surely be helpful: weight a user’s hotlist, giving preference to sites related to their previous activity.  So, for instance, a prolific MSE or TCS contributor might see a MO question on their hot list; but most other users would not." CreationDate="2014-01-16T13:07:42.143" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="6465" PostId="1388" Score="0" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine I am under the impression that what you suggest is possible if a user wants it, via them creating a filter see http://stackexchange.com/questions on the right. Likely one could try to guess such things also, but then this is not that easy especially for the more general sites, I think; and people do have diverse and virtually 'inpredictable' interest. In that sense, I do not find this that strange, it is sort of analog of (general) bestseller list, music and movie charts and so on." CreationDate="2014-01-16T13:27:54.197" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6765" PostId="1388" Score="2" Text="[Related](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/219922/184300). BTW has there been any serious attempt of MathOverflow to opt out of this whole unfortunate hot list issue by now? I suspect posting on MSO would be completely futile, but maybe a direct communications between people on both (MathOverflow and SE) sites who negotiated MathOverflow's joining the SE network could help?" CreationDate="2014-02-08T21:41:02.007" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="6766" PostId="1388" Score="4" Text="@Dilaton: Since the measurable effects are small to negligible, there has been little interest in doing that." CreationDate="2014-02-08T22:05:03.130" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6767" PostId="1388" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I see, then it is ok." CreationDate="2014-02-08T22:16:57.843" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="6380" PostId="1389" Score="1" Text="The phrasing of the title and the tag [meta-tag:feature-request] do not work well together, IMO. (The title would be good for a [meta-tag:discussion] or [meta-tag:support]  though.)" CreationDate="2014-01-11T17:11:21.640" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6381" PostId="1389" Score="0" Text="quid, is it better now?" CreationDate="2014-01-11T17:32:08.903" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6382" PostId="1389" Score="0" Text="Yes, I think so. Thanks." CreationDate="2014-01-11T17:36:53.657" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6383" PostId="1389" Score="3" Text="Could you link to an example of drawing diagrams using the AMScd package? I am just curious..." CreationDate="2014-01-11T18:20:08.117" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="6384" PostId="1389" Score="2" Text="@Joseph: http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/9387/mathjax-2-2-beta/9401#9401" CreationDate="2014-01-11T18:28:05.127" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6385" PostId="1389" Score="0" Text="Ah--Thanks!${}{}$" CreationDate="2014-01-11T18:34:13.993" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="6693" PostId="1389" Score="0" Text="Looking into this." CreationDate="2014-02-02T13:33:24.847" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6698" PostId="1389" Score="0" Text="@Tim: Thank you. The same goes for MSE, actually. I found out that the package is no longer automatically loaded there as well." CreationDate="2014-02-02T14:46:18.343" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6388" PostId="1390" Score="5" Text="Incidentally, the person asking the question requested (about 1 hour ago) that I migrate it to math.stackexchange.com, so I did." CreationDate="2014-01-12T02:18:27.537" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="6389" PostId="1390" Score="6" Text="It would be interesting to track what happens to it there. What if there is a gap between MO and MSE creating a limbo for otherwise reasonable questions!" CreationDate="2014-01-12T02:58:07.873" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6390" PostId="1390" Score="5" Text="No guarantee is given that just because a mathematical question is reasonable, there is a website where it is suitable (much less a website where it is guaranteed to get a good answer, or even a serious perusal)." CreationDate="2014-01-12T04:19:53.463" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6392" PostId="1390" Score="0" Text="Just to be clear, there's nothing specific or outrageous in that question, it's just a recent example that helped me in formulating these doubts." CreationDate="2014-01-12T05:37:59.553" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="6530" PostId="1390" Score="7" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais After two weeks, the [question](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/635302/minimum-l1-norm-may-not-obtain-the-sparsest-solution) sits at MSE with no other answers or comments and one upvote (are those preserved in the migration?), . So it seems that your concern is well-founded." CreationDate="2014-01-23T05:41:15.720" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="6531" PostId="1390" Score="0" Text="Thanks for keeping track Frederico! Yes, upvotes are preserved during migration, so the question got basically zero attention on MSE..." CreationDate="2014-01-23T05:43:51.843" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6532" PostId="1390" Score="2" Text="By the way, I can move the post back to MO if you think that's the best course of action." CreationDate="2014-01-23T05:45:19.223" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6393" PostId="1391" Score="7" Text="+1 for &quot;MathOverflow is like a colleague down the hall&quot; --- I like both the image and the perceived level for questions that it conveys." CreationDate="2014-01-12T05:40:28.563" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="6394" PostId="1391" Score="3" Text="While I like the metaphor too, it's worth remembering many valuable participants at MO don't have the same pool of &quot;colleagues down the hall&quot;, as those of us at large research institutions. It's a great start, but not necessarily a complete explanation." CreationDate="2014-01-12T07:08:24.673" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6400" PostId="1391" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison: Isn't it great that MO is the same size for everyone? Another phrase I heard is &quot;MathOverflow is the biggest/best/etc. math department in the world.&quot; I don't use this one as often but I do like to think of MO as a playing an equalizing role in the math world. (PS: I can't make sense of your last sentence. I can't figure out what is meant to be the &quot;great start&quot;/&quot;(in)complete explanation&quot;.)" CreationDate="2014-01-12T15:37:14.637" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6401" PostId="1391" Score="1" Text="I meant that I don't want us to implicitly exclude someone who has *no colleagues down the hall*." CreationDate="2014-01-12T18:57:00.733" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6403" PostId="1391" Score="0" Text="Ah, yes, I didn't mean to imply that. This is just &quot;my two cents.&quot; The last paragraph is, at best, a rule of thumb and more likely less since, personally, I would ask to a colleague down the hall in a manner very different than I would ask on MO. The basic idea still makes sense though." CreationDate="2014-01-12T19:08:01.403" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6415" PostId="1391" Score="29" Text="Maybe a better metaphor is &quot;MO is like that colleague you wish were down the hall&quot;." CreationDate="2014-01-13T08:22:51.503" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6391" PostId="1392" Score="0" Text="I can't say I'm not perplexed but the steep incline could be due to the [auto-deletion roomba](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/78048/enable-automatic-deletion-of-old-unanswered-zero-score-questions-after-a-year/92006#92006)." CreationDate="2014-01-12T04:25:25.170" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6398" PostId="1392" Score="1" Text="Thanks for all the data in this thread! But I think for this one the heading should really be 'closed and not (yet) deleted' or something like this. There should be a **huge** difference between question that 'were closed at some point' and those showing up here (likely, fully explaining the increase towards the end). I am sure we had a lot more  than **one** closed question **per day** at the beginning of last year." CreationDate="2014-01-12T14:57:06.527" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6406" PostId="1392" Score="0" Text="@quid: I don't agree since the title describes the *query* very precisely. Personally, I think it's better to discuss visible features of the data, such as side-effects of auto-deletion, than to include them in the title." CreationDate="2014-01-12T19:18:19.943" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6410" PostId="1392" Score="0" Text="Yes you are right after all it says &quot;closed questions&quot; and not &quot;questions closed.&quot; Still I think it is important to be aware that these are *completely* different numbers." CreationDate="2014-01-12T20:16:43.657" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6411" PostId="1392" Score="0" Text="@quid: Yes, I agree. Feel free to add explanations to the answer. This one is especially tricky to understand." CreationDate="2014-01-12T20:47:34.973" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6402" PostId="1394" Score="0" Text="Any conjectured explanation for the clear downward trend?" CreationDate="2014-01-12T19:03:49.640" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="6404" PostId="1394" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: I suspect the dip at the end reflects the fact that not all questions are answered immediately. I suspect in a few months the tail will be much flatter. The first two January numbers are more surprising - I wouldn't expect nearly all questions to have answers! This may be a side-effect of auto-deletion." CreationDate="2014-01-12T19:13:30.110" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6407" PostId="1394" Score="2" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: Actually, something was wrong with the first column. I updated the query and data and it seems the effect is mostly due to a decline in the total number of questions." CreationDate="2014-01-12T19:38:06.457" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6408" PostId="1394" Score="0" Text="Thanks for investigating so carefully! But now the decline in the total number of questions could use explanation (although the trend is not a prominent). Naively I would expect the opposite trend..." CreationDate="2014-01-12T19:45:19.270" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="6409" PostId="1394" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: I don't have a good explanation yet but it's interesting to compare with the relatively steady number of questions with positive score. It appears that the decline is mostly in questions with score zero or less. This is a head scratcher!" CreationDate="2014-01-12T20:10:34.363" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6412" PostId="1394" Score="0" Text="Ah, I see! Thanks." CreationDate="2014-01-12T21:17:43.573" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="6395" PostId="1396" Score="1" Text="Perhaps it's worth tweaking it, and add &gt;101 column as well." CreationDate="2014-01-12T09:44:09.407" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6396" PostId="1396" Score="0" Text="Does &gt;500 mean greater than 500 when joining? or greater than 500 as of the time of the query?" CreationDate="2014-01-12T13:54:54.713" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6405" PostId="1396" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson: At the time of the query. I'm trying to think of a better query here but it's not easy to correctly tally the votes." CreationDate="2014-01-12T19:15:23.103" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6413" PostId="1398" Score="1" Text="There is an excellent metaphor to explain this process, [rubber duck problem solving](http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/03/rubber-duck-problem-solving.html)." CreationDate="2014-01-13T07:42:09.587" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="6414" PostId="1398" Score="1" Text="In the question we are discussing a lot of effort was made by the person who asked it." CreationDate="2014-01-13T07:47:45.533" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="6442" PostId="1398" Score="1" Text="@Gil Kalai: you are quite true, my answer is probably answering a less focused question and is not very relevant to the question mainly discussed." CreationDate="2014-01-14T21:14:59.027" UserId="4961" />
  <row Id="6418" PostId="1399" Score="14" Text="Vote here if you want to express: yes, this is **on-topic.**" CreationDate="2014-01-13T15:19:57.743" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6419" PostId="1399" Score="12" Text="Vote here if you want to express: no, this is **off-topic.**" CreationDate="2014-01-13T15:20:22.060" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6420" PostId="1399" Score="0" Text="How long should I wait before the voting for on or off-topic is considered concluded? At the time of writing this comment, the scores are equal. That said, there are enough votes for off-topic that my proposed question might very well be closed, were I to post it. Please note that I wish to abide by the norms of the MO community." CreationDate="2014-01-13T20:44:38.647" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6421" PostId="1399" Score="0" Text="Basically I think it could make sense to wait until somebody actually gives an answer here. I merely added the voting comments, since recently there was some discussion something like this should be done to avoid many downvotes on the question itself. We do not have many precedents regarding this procedure. IMO the question is borderline. It is hard to predict what would happen when you post it." CreationDate="2014-01-13T20:51:39.853" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6422" PostId="1399" Score="1" Text="Whats the worst that will happen if you post it. Closed question ? Big deal." CreationDate="2014-01-13T21:17:23.760" UserId="30684" />
  <row Id="6426" PostId="1399" Score="0" Text="@quid: Thanks for the explanation. I'll certainly wait a bit longer before deciding whether to post." CreationDate="2014-01-13T21:31:26.850" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6429" PostId="1399" Score="1" Text="@Piyush Grover: Quite right, of course. However, I would like to see if anyone has suggestions for improving my question. Moreover, if it's clearly inappropriate for MO then I'd rather not post at all and just leave the original question up on MSE." CreationDate="2014-01-13T21:36:24.280" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6436" PostId="1399" Score="1" Text="@Piyush Grover: I'd just like to add that I would rather, if possible, post an appropriate and well-formulated question and receive quality answers than rush to post a poorer-quality question and have it swiftly closed. With hindsight, perhaps I posted too quickly on MSE, but I am trying to learn from the feedback I am getting there." CreationDate="2014-01-14T15:38:13.267" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6466" PostId="1399" Score="2" Text="A question about teaching mathematicians engineering skills (or what engineering point of view has to offer mathematics) would be also quite interesting." CreationDate="2014-01-16T17:09:24.937" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="6468" PostId="1399" Score="0" Text="@Gil Kalai: Interesting thought. My background is originally in mathematics, but I suspect some engineering has rubbed off on me the past several years. Some of my colleagues who started off in mathematics have considerably more engineering experience." CreationDate="2014-01-16T17:46:44.507" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6469" PostId="1399" Score="0" Text="@Gil Kalai: (comment continued) I think I'll ask them what they think re your suggested questions. I'll also ponder the matter myself." CreationDate="2014-01-16T18:00:57.420" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6488" PostId="1399" Score="0" Text="@Gil Kailai: Perhaps [this article](http://www.intuac.com/userport/john/writing/nthinking.html) sheds some light on how engineers think." CreationDate="2014-01-18T15:43:30.360" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6434" PostId="1401" Score="0" Text="I think I understand your point, although I would hope that a question, doubtful or otherwise, would be judged largely on its own merits (or lack thereof) and not so much on who asked it. That said, I can appreciate that one's area(s) of expertise and standing within a community do weigh in as factors." CreationDate="2014-01-14T11:19:07.473" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6435" PostId="1401" Score="4" Text="@JW: As far as I can tell, questions which have a definite answer are actually&#xA;&quot;judged largely on their own merits&quot;. -- But regarding soft questions,&#xA;there is the perceived risk that if they are welcomed too much, more and&#xA;more of them will be asked, and they will eventually dominate the site&#xA;and the level will decrease. Mathematicians usually do like occasional&#xA;good soft questions, but not too many." CreationDate="2014-01-14T13:23:13.517" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6440" PostId="1401" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much for the clarifying comment. Assuming my question is either already a good soft question, or (more likely) can be improved so that it becomes one, how do I know whether it isn't a soft question too many for MO? I suppose the answer is to ask on Meta, which is what I have done. So far, the impression I have is that while some people are fine with the question, just as many are not." CreationDate="2014-01-14T18:44:05.423" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6441" PostId="1401" Score="0" Text="(My assumption in the comment above could be false, of course.)" CreationDate="2014-01-14T18:50:48.113" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6438" PostId="1404" Score="0" Text="To the downvoters: do you disagree with the first being on-topic, or with the latter being off-topic, or with both, or with still something else?" CreationDate="2014-01-14T17:24:56.923" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6439" PostId="1404" Score="0" Text="I'm also curious about the precise reasons for the downvotes. I do appreciate Gerald Edgar's providing advice that could lead to a better question." CreationDate="2014-01-14T18:26:54.493" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="6447" PostId="1404" Score="3" Text="I downvoted this answer for the second question. Questions about mathematical pedagogy are definitely on-topic on Math Overflow, so it is misleading and incorrect to suggest that the second question would not be appropriate." CreationDate="2014-01-15T16:55:25.337" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="6467" PostId="1404" Score="0" Text="I think the second question is also on topic. In any case I upvoted since I think the answer is useful." CreationDate="2014-01-16T17:11:27.383" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="6479" PostId="1405" Score="0" Text="Ben, are your accounts now merged? I had submitted a form as per your request, but they came back and asked which account was to be merged into which (this is an extra hoop that I've never had to pass through; I've handled merger requests before). Let me know if you need some help here (notify me by writing @ToddTrimble in your comment)." CreationDate="2014-01-17T13:06:04.957" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6567" PostId="1405" Score="0" Text="Dear @ToddTrimble, could you merge me with my previous account please? Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-01-25T11:40:59.953" UserId="21278" />
  <row Id="6437" PostId="1406" Score="7" Text="Some other weird stuff happens with self-interactions but that's also not anything to worry about." CreationDate="2014-01-14T17:23:35.690" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6443" PostId="1406" Score="5" Text="And probably you get the association bonus only once." CreationDate="2014-01-14T23:38:07.500" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="6480" PostId="1406" Score="1" Text="It would have to be at least 1 less (+1 for beginning users)" CreationDate="2014-01-17T13:28:47.133" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="6484" PostId="1406" Score="0" Text="Right, forgot about the 1 for the start (so typically 1 less than sum). But also if one has more than one account on the network it could happen one has more than the sum at the end (if association bonus kicks in after the merge)." CreationDate="2014-01-18T00:53:50.143" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6494" PostId="1406" Score="0" Text="Dear @quid, thanks for your answer. I have not been merged even after replying to Todd Trimble, what should I do next? Thanks." CreationDate="2014-01-19T14:56:33.903" UserId="21278" />
  <row Id="6515" PostId="1406" Score="0" Text="@BenLim you are welcome and sorry for the belated reply. It is strange this did not yet happen. The most likely thing (this is a guess) is that the initial request was for some reason not dealt with instantly/right away as there was some need for clarification and then it got forgotten. Since they were already involved I would contact the sites moderators again. Either via another comment to Todd Trimble or via writing email to moderators'at'mathoverflow.net (An issue is comment notifications are somewhat easy to miss if one has more than one.)" CreationDate="2014-01-21T16:21:19.950" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6445" PostId="1407" Score="1" Text="There was an old discussion on tea about this." CreationDate="2014-01-15T15:27:28.167" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6446" PostId="1407" Score="1" Text="Thanks for pointing this out, I should have known/checked. Yet, while in some sense there were even two: in the very old  http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/679/lattices/ Ryan Budney suggested upon Mariano mentioning the problem, to have lattice-poset and lattice-subgroup In http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1375/disambiguating-the-tag-lattices/ the issue is somewhat different as I think in that request the order meaning was ignored and the issue was distinguishing between really geometric objects and more algebraic things (vaguely), and there is euclidean-lattice for the former." CreationDate="2014-01-15T16:38:39.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6448" PostId="1407" Score="0" Text="Oh I forgot to finish my idea... While the subject came up there was not much discussion and/or they were somewhat inconclusive (regaridng the matter I have in mind) except for Ryan's (IMO, good) idea that never got implemented though." CreationDate="2014-01-15T17:58:44.123" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7417" PostId="1407" Score="3" Text="For this, we should fix the terminology everywhere in mathematics, not only on the MathOverflow website.  Also, let's fix &quot;field&quot; too while we're there." CreationDate="2014-04-09T09:46:27.007" UserId="5340" />
  <row Id="7418" PostId="1407" Score="1" Text="@ZsbánAmbrus what do you want to express precisely?" CreationDate="2014-04-09T14:38:59.897" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6455" PostId="1411" Score="0" Text="There is also [tag:matrix-equations] but there is no [tag:matrix-algebra]. I don't know what the differences could be; I hope somebody will explain. Are these tags used in significantly different ways?" CreationDate="2014-01-16T04:32:57.170" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6456" PostId="1411" Score="0" Text="The ones I have heard in real life are: &quot;matrix analysis&quot; for the study of matrix inequalities and advanced linear algebra (e.g. [[1]](http://www.amazon.com/Matrix-Analysis-Graduate-Texts-Mathematics/dp/0387948465)); matrix functions and matrix equations (mostly numerical/applied; e.g. [[2]](http://www.mims.manchester.ac.uk/events/workshops/FUN13/)). &quot;matrix algebra&quot; is not that common and typically used by non-mathematicians. &quot;matrix theory&quot; sounds strange to my ear." CreationDate="2014-01-16T05:29:34.573" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="6457" PostId="1411" Score="0" Text="My suggestion is as follows: make [tag:matrix-theory] a synonym of [tag:matrix-analysis]; I could consider merging them both into [tag:matrices], although that's a bit generic; Stet [tag:matrix-equations], remove [tag:matrix-inverse]" CreationDate="2014-01-16T05:32:39.553" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="6463" PostId="1411" Score="1" Text="re matrix-theory: I think this is an instance of a sort of general MO phenomenon, users add 'theory' to distinguish it from just the 'thing' that is perhaps too generic as a tag; we had some discussion on order-theory. For some q tagged matrix-theory it seems matrix-analysis would not fit. One could go over the list though and extract these things relatively quickly. For matrix-inverse, I am in favor of getting rid of it yet via a *synonym*, else people will recreate it, or even worse use just [tag:inverse] which should also be listed here in fact." CreationDate="2014-01-16T13:14:45.047" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6464" PostId="1411" Score="0" Text="There are also various other tags containing matrix and matrices some *very* little used. Would you have an opinion on some more of them?" CreationDate="2014-01-16T13:16:09.367" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6472" PostId="1411" Score="1" Text="Personally I'd keep [tag:matrices], [tag:random-matrices], [tag:matrix-analysis], [tag:nonnegative-matrices], [tag:matrix-equations] and maybe [tag:sparse-matrices]. I don't know what [tag:r-matrix] refers to; if it's short for &quot;random matrix&quot; then merge. [tag:m-matrix] and [tag:copositive-matrix] can be merged into [tag:nonnegative-matrices]. [tag:adjacency-matrices] and [tag:matrix-tree] into some variant of [tag:graph-theory] I guess (not an expert). [tag:nilpotent-matrices], [tag:circulant-matrices], [tag:orthogonal-matrices] seem too specific." CreationDate="2014-01-17T02:56:21.113" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="6473" PostId="1411" Score="0" Text="We should look for more opinions though, there are surely lots of other people with different viewpoints than mine on &quot;matrix stuff&quot;." CreationDate="2014-01-17T02:58:20.620" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="6475" PostId="1411" Score="0" Text="Thanks. This looks good to me. The tag [tag:r-matrix] was created for something called &quot;R-matrix&quot; in quantum algebra/groups (I don't know what it is though). It was misused a bit though. I think/hope I 'cleaned' it just now, and it is just this qa thing now, which one might keep (but I cannot tell); preferably with a tag-wiki so it does not get used again for dealing with matrices in the software R...   For matrix-tree this is uniquely used and not even very relevant where it is used, I would simply remove it; for adjacency-matrix one could set up a synonym into [tag:algebraic-graph-theory]" CreationDate="2014-01-17T10:53:55.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6476" PostId="1411" Score="0" Text="Also talking about matrices, @FrançoisG.Dorais now that we have sysnonyms could you please set up the synonym matrices &lt;--- matrix I think there is some risk of people not finding the tag due to the (unusual) plural." CreationDate="2014-01-17T10:56:00.470" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6483" PostId="1411" Score="0" Text="@quid: When a tag doesn't exist, I don't think I have a quick way to create a synonym so it's just as easy for you to suggest it as it is for me." CreationDate="2014-01-17T17:01:34.433" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6486" PostId="1411" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais oh, I was not aware of this, and I have to confess the fact that I can suggest syns did not really sink in either. I will try it some time soon and in the meantime voted on the syn. But also, while in this case it is true I could have suggested it, this is not always the case as a user (besides globally enough points) needs some  score (namely 5) in the tag." CreationDate="2014-01-18T01:15:27.110" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="28134" PostId="1411" Score="2" Text="A recent post [suggesting to synonymize matrix-theory and matrices](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/194/help-improve-tagging/5546#5546)." CreationDate="2022-12-20T01:50:24.143" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6470" PostId="1412" Score="3" Text="...as does the Electronic Frontier Foundation (http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2014/01/the_electronic_frontier_founda.html) - booths can be there for all sorts of reasons.  I like the idea of a MO booth, but I'm not sure what it would do.  Maybe people could leave their questions, the MO-er at the booth would ask it on MO, then the person could come back the next day to see if they'd got an answer.  Sort of like the Mechanical Turk." CreationDate="2014-01-16T20:59:12.303" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="6474" PostId="1412" Score="0" Text="There was a bulletin board at the meeting in 2010 (or was it 2011?) where people could post questions." CreationDate="2014-01-17T03:40:48.143" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6478" PostId="1412" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson looking at the old thread dicussing this it seems both 2010 and 2011 http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/112 // See also the User 2010 Joint Meetings http://mathoverflow.net/users/3149/2010-joint-meetings" CreationDate="2014-01-17T12:08:02.717" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6482" PostId="1412" Score="1" Text="That's possible. We're about to become an official 501(c)(3) nonprofit, which will allow us to raise money for such things on our own. Could you make this a feature request for the next JMM?" CreationDate="2014-01-17T17:00:11.850" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6487" PostId="1412" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: I am afraid I do not understand what constitutes &quot;a feature request for the next JMM&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-01-18T13:47:10.427" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="6489" PostId="1412" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: Post a feature-request question on meta. We can then hash out details of organizing such a thing." CreationDate="2014-01-18T20:35:17.140" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6490" PostId="1414" Score="0" Text="Perhaps you can search on MO for &quot;modeling&quot;, and prune the resulting list for questions to migrate." CreationDate="2014-01-18T23:46:32.893" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="6491" PostId="1414" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger That's a good idea! Each person is limited to 5 questions, so I can't write anymore, but I hope people try it." CreationDate="2014-01-19T00:14:22.490" UserId="27933" />
  <row Id="6493" PostId="1414" Score="1" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger, Brian: Recall that migration is only available to relatively &quot;fresh&quot; question. Anything over 60 days old cannot be migrated by the moderators. Rough calculations show that anything before mid-November 2013 is off game for migration. But it could still be a good sample question perhaps." CreationDate="2014-01-19T01:23:27.920" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6495" PostId="1414" Score="2" Text="It might make sense to flesh out the post a bit stressing that it is crucial to the proposal moving forward and this becoming an actual site that there is a sufficient number of sample questions with a sufficiently high score; these sample questions are meant to indicate what types of questions *could* be asked on the site and they do not need to be complete questions (but merely headlines) and also they will not be answered. (I do not include it as I was never active on a proposal so might have misunderstood something.)" CreationDate="2014-01-19T17:46:05.507" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6496" PostId="1414" Score="0" Text="Have you seen [scicomp.se]?" CreationDate="2014-01-20T00:49:27.153" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6497" PostId="1414" Score="2" Text="@Kaveh There has been some discussion about this at computational science: http://meta.scicomp.stackexchange.com/questions/376/is-mathematical-modeling-on-topic-here and on area51 (visible at the link in the original post)." CreationDate="2014-01-20T00:52:24.260" UserId="27933" />
  <row Id="6498" PostId="1414" Score="1" Text="The area51 post actually linked back to another scicomp post: http://meta.scicomp.stackexchange.com/questions/348/computational-modelling-vs-mathematical-modelling . One idea is to go through the proposed questions and comment on those in scicomp's scope." CreationDate="2014-01-20T00:54:17.780" UserId="27933" />
  <row Id="6540" PostId="1414" Score="0" Text="Probably a lost cause, but rather than starting a new site, wouldn't it be better if mathematical modelling were more welcome here?" CreationDate="2014-01-23T12:14:57.170" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="6504" PostId="1415" Score="1" Text="I am not sure if this is known to you but OP *cannot* (anymore) post any question having reached their limit of 5. So it could be considerably more helpful if you posted one/some there (it is just one phrase/the title). Of course somebody else could still take inspiration, too, so still this is helpful to have." CreationDate="2014-01-20T21:44:23.433" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6506" PostId="1415" Score="0" Text="@quid Thanks. I saw the OP said this earlier, but I cannot say I have any interest in posting elsewhere. MSE and MO are (more than) enough for me; as you say, if &quot;somebody else&quot; wishes to use the info above, then I will be content." CreationDate="2014-01-20T22:43:47.923" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="6500" PostId="1416" Score="7" Text="I would say that raising the visibility might not always be desirable. But when the people that get this visibility are those attending JMM, it would seem ideal, as those are precisely the people we need to know about MO and what they might use it for." CreationDate="2014-01-20T09:26:49.930" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6524" PostId="1416" Score="2" Text="According to http://www.eventsinamerica.com/events/ams-american-mathematical-society-2015-joint-mathematics-meeting/ev490604141a937/ the cost of a booth in 2015 range from 424 to 1833 dollars; the two smaller categories 424 and 605 are only available under certain restrictions along the lines 'small' and 'new' but presumably MO would qualify (or there might be even something still better for something like MO, that information rather being geared towards commercial exhibitors)." CreationDate="2014-01-22T17:32:32.607" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6533" PostId="1416" Score="2" Text="@quid: Those prices are correct. Additional costs include staffing: we would have to pay travel, lodging and expenses for enough staff to support the booth for the duration of the exhibit. Altogether, it's a significant amount but once MO is an official non-profit organization, we will be able to raise money through grants and donations." CreationDate="2014-01-23T05:55:43.260" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6547" PostId="1416" Score="3" Text="Perhaps something else to consider at JMM meetings is to have a mathoverflow reception?  (Again, the funding question is an issue)." CreationDate="2014-01-23T16:38:52.730" UserId="3521" />
  <row Id="14389" PostId="1416" Score="0" Text="Perhaps at some point in the future the AMS (Amer Math Society) might decide that MathOverflow has become an important resource for the mathematics community, and fund some type of presence at major meetings. Until then, ..." CreationDate="2017-05-19T21:18:30.503" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="6522" PostId="1418" Score="8" Text="Can you elaborate on why you’re asking this?  To shame malign mirrors who are trying to make money of our content?  To compile benign mirrors who will serve as an archive if StackExchange turns evil or goes bust?  Pure curiosity?" CreationDate="2014-01-22T00:05:33.850" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="6523" PostId="1418" Score="3" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine The reasons in no particular order: pure curiosity, options in case official MO is down and to see the technical solutions for running a mirror. Since the license allows profiting, don't try to shame anyone (though don't like ads)." CreationDate="2014-01-22T06:00:56.173" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="6525" PostId="1418" Score="7" Text="@joro: it is not because something is allowed that it is necessarily not shameful." CreationDate="2014-01-22T19:35:52.813" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="6543" PostId="1418" Score="4" Text="@Joël I neither criticize nor promote the mirrors in the question." CreationDate="2014-01-23T14:01:21.690" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="11979" PostId="1418" Score="0" Text="I have found helptouser.com , which reposts the content of this site (and math.SE, I think?) without attribution.  I don't know if it reposts the answers, though. (sidebar: I believe this site should be against our copyright, whatever we have, but I don't know if this is the case)" CreationDate="2015-12-08T23:01:53.340" UserId="15735" />
  <row Id="11980" PostId="1418" Score="0" Text="@RichardRast According a post of moderator here, in such cases you should inform the moderators via email for potential violation. If you don' like this, raise the possible issue on meta." CreationDate="2015-12-09T06:00:39.737" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="11981" PostId="1418" Score="0" Text="I did not know about that post, thank you." CreationDate="2015-12-09T11:52:55.927" UserId="15735" />
  <row Id="6503" PostId="1419" Score="4" Text="I think likely it is UTC, as the other timings in MO. -- At least everything else would seem somewhat strange ... ." CreationDate="2014-01-20T17:35:31.657" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6534" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="I'm wondering if the upvotes indicate similar issues and if so on which systems. I'm unable to reproduce this on FF26 Ubuntu 13.10. @Asaf, do you have any plugins installed that might interfere with layout (e.g. ad blockers)? From a quick look, MO does not use any webfonts, so font issues should not be the core. I don't even think it's CSS, it might just be the random browser clipping we sometimes see. More information from other users would be extremely helpful." CreationDate="2014-01-23T11:26:09.480" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="6535" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="Peter, restarting Firefox in safe mode (no plugins) gives the same result. The letters have choppy tops. Even safe mode + private browsing mode." CreationDate="2014-01-23T11:28:36.273" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6536" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Asaf. Which Arch Linux version are you on?" CreationDate="2014-01-23T11:44:22.907" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="6537" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="What do you mean exactly? I use the vanilla kernel 3.12.7 (it's been going on through a couple of kernel updates, I just now decided to post a report, though). SLiM + OpenBox + various gtk-based libraries in the background. But I haven't installed or uninstalled anything significant that I can think of when that began." CreationDate="2014-01-23T11:47:38.517" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6538" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="(Other than that, Arch is a rolling release, so there's no &quot;Hardy Hermite&quot; or &quot;Feisty Freiburger&quot; sort of versions to it...)" CreationDate="2014-01-23T11:48:48.443" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6539" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="@Peter: I think I found the issue. The CSS computes the MathJax font size as 18.4833px, whereas on MSE it computed as 16.2px. When modifying the MSE size to that value, the problem occurs there as well." CreationDate="2014-01-23T12:12:31.317" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6541" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="The other difference is the computed line-height, 23px on MSE and 27px here." CreationDate="2014-01-23T12:32:09.843" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6542" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="Hm. Chromium computes the same values, but the font is rendered just fine there." CreationDate="2014-01-23T13:27:28.140" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6544" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the update on your Arch installation (I forgot it's rolling but good to know it's up to date). Thanks for the additional information." CreationDate="2014-01-23T14:23:20.973" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="6545" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="No problem. Is there a way to force refreshing the font cache without deleting all the other cache from my drive? (Or maybe there's no font cache to begin with, I'm not versed in webfonts technology...) It seems to go across every site. If I change the font size to exactly 18.4833px this happens, any other value is fine." CreationDate="2014-01-23T14:36:28.283" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6546" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="It should also be noted that on MSE the font size is 15px, whereas MO has 14px; but due to different fonts the computed MathJax font sizes are different (16.2 vs. 18.4833)" CreationDate="2014-01-23T14:39:15.313" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6548" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="The computed font sizes will vary not just from browser to browser but client to client since font rendering technology differs across operating systems. As for clearing the cache of just MathJax, I don't know. Maybe https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/cacheviewer2/ works for you." CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:08:55.187" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="6549" PostId="1420" Score="2" Text="I've finally been able to reproduce this -- but only on Arch Linux. Reported at https://github.com/mathjax/MathJax/issues/724" CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:10:26.350" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="6550" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="The fonts don't show up in the cache, it seems. I tried to refresh the whole MathJax related scripts, but it didn't work. It's interesting that you managed to reproduce this, but only on Arch. Did you install slim+obox like me, or stick to gnome/kde?" CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:15:00.043" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6551" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="I don't think clearing the cache will change this. I was using KDE." CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:17:16.820" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="6552" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="@Peter: Yes, so it seems. If you need any help with low-level debugging (I just have no idea how or where to begin) then let me know." CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:22:56.050" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6553" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="@Peter: When disallowing the site to override the FF font settings the problem goes away. In spite of the fact that the font size stays the same." CreationDate="2014-01-23T19:39:36.047" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6559" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="It appears that this is an issue with the font renderer, rather than a CSS or MathJax layout issue.  See the issue linked to Peter's comment earlier.  It includes a simple HTML file (that doesn't load MathJax at all) that exhibits the problem." CreationDate="2014-01-25T00:23:34.570" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="6560" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="@Davide: Thank you very much for your efforts. Who is responsible for the piece of code which is likely causing the problems, then? (Looking at the Firefox build files on the main Arch repositories, the version I use, there's no real patching of the code. So it can't be Firefox's fault if it doesn't happen on other systems. So it must be some external library...)" CreationDate="2014-01-25T00:34:28.430" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6568" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, I don't know the Firefox code base, so I'm not sure.  Because the issues occurs only at a very small range of sizes, it is also not clear to me that it is Firefox-specific (I tried the example file in the default web browser, and the characters where one pixel smaller, so it might be that it would occur at other sizes there, though I wasn't able to find one where it did).  So I'm not sure who is at fault.  It might even be that the MathJax fonts could be changed to avoid the problem.  I'm not sure what to recommend, though I do know that zooming the page will get you a better rendering." CreationDate="2014-01-25T14:31:11.547" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="6570" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="@Davide: Yes, as for the zooming part, I am well-aware. But I was hoping to solve this without needing to do that (I could also try and write a GM script to force MathJax fonts not to have 18.4833px size, but I prefer avoiding that issue as well)." CreationDate="2014-01-25T16:55:59.293" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6671" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="@Davide: I've ended up just setting scale factor of 99% on MO and meta.MO, I suppose that's a solution." CreationDate="2014-02-01T23:22:47.847" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6673" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, I think it is a clever solution.  I wish I had thought of it to suggest to you.  Glad you came up with it and shared it here." CreationDate="2014-02-01T23:35:39.030" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="6674" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="@Davide: I'll post it as an answer for now." CreationDate="2014-02-01T23:36:36.427" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6561" PostId="1426" Score="1" Text="@Dilaton, one such site is https://mathematicsteachingcommunity.math.uga.edu/.  (See the comment at https://mathematicsteachingcommunity.math.uga.edu/index.php/927/support-a-proposal-for-math-education-stackexchange#a929 )" CreationDate="2014-01-25T00:59:44.577" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="6562" PostId="1426" Score="0" Text="@Dilaton, as for SE discouraging educational questions, I don't understand your point.  I would assume that majority of those on the internet have taken formal education and so would have an interest in how education can be improved." CreationDate="2014-01-25T01:03:20.767" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="6563" PostId="1426" Score="0" Text="@Dilaton, perhaps we have a misunderstanding due to terminology.  When you say &quot;educational questions&quot; are you referring to requests for answers to homework?" CreationDate="2014-01-25T07:39:58.637" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="6566" PostId="1426" Score="6" Text="@Dilaton, It seems you misunderstood the scope of the proposed site.  It is meant to address mathematics education---how mathematics is learned and taught.  It is not about mathematics.  For example, the question &quot;1+8=?&quot; is a question about mathematics, and is off-topic for the site.  But the observation that &quot;1+8&quot; is more difficult to answer for very young children than &quot;8+1&quot; is about mathematics education, and is on-topic." CreationDate="2014-01-25T11:31:08.880" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="6569" PostId="1426" Score="1" Text="@JoelReyesNoche ok, I removed my above comments ..." CreationDate="2014-01-25T15:48:16.460" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="6586" PostId="1426" Score="1" Text="I think it would be nice to have a Math-Ed SE site. I'm not so keen on tinkering with Area 51, but I can point you to a few mathematics-education questions I have responded to on MO: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/51285/where-and-when-did-transition-to-abstraction-courses-start/151910#151910  http://mathoverflow.net/questions/134796/is-problem-solving-a-subject-to-be-taught/148795#148795 and http://mathoverflow.net/a/135192/22971 Maybe this could be of some help... In fact, I argued for Math-Ed questions to be included on MO in an earlier meta post: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/291/22971" CreationDate="2014-01-26T08:34:46.707" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="6594" PostId="1429" Score="1" Text="We should probably start maintaining some of these as faq questions. The [meta-tag:faq] is moderator only, however, so I've (following math.SE) introduced the faq-proposed tag." CreationDate="2014-01-27T14:23:12.450" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6571" PostId="1431" Score="0" Text="It shows up on the active front page for me.  Were you perhaps looking at the newest questions front page?" CreationDate="2014-01-25T17:50:48.833" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="6572" PostId="1431" Score="1" Text="Sometimes the front view lists questions not in chronological order of recent activity, perhaps because the order is cached.  It does reflect time stamps, e.g. sometimes 1m then 23s then 5m appears for the top 3 questions." CreationDate="2014-01-25T18:01:20.307" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="6577" PostId="1431" Score="0" Text="Sorry for the many back and forth  (it seems I am a bit confused today). It is starnge at the moment things seem to behave differently than before. Or, I misobserved them before, so I deleted my answer. That it takes more than 15 minutes (as you said on a comment to my delete answer), and from the timestamps it seems at least almost 25, is certainly unusually long." CreationDate="2014-01-25T20:35:05.483" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6580" PostId="1431" Score="0" Text="How do you order the questions? Do you view them through the front page or through the Questions page? If the latter, perhaps it wasn't set to &quot;active&quot; but perhaps &quot;newest&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-01-26T01:06:09.900" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6581" PostId="1431" Score="0" Text="Always through the questions page with active set, Asaf." CreationDate="2014-01-26T06:22:56.237" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="6692" PostId="1431" Score="0" Text="Finding out about this, I know we tweaked how things bump, but I can't quite remember the particulars." CreationDate="2014-02-02T13:32:20.247" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6578" PostId="1433" Score="3" Text="My educated guess is that the users around here most likely in a position to answer your questions are also likely to entertain the question and not shut it down. Just make sure they are clear, precise, and focused (and hopefully not due to some undergraduate-type confusion about logic). Something a graduate student encountering Bishop might ask, for example." CreationDate="2014-01-25T21:35:05.623" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6579" PostId="1433" Score="0" Text="The/A question got asked http://mathoverflow.net/questions/155717/bishops-paradox-of-the-countability-of-sequences" CreationDate="2014-01-25T22:46:04.840" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6587" PostId="1433" Score="1" Text="Take care, though.  It is a question-and-answer forum.  Not a discussion forum.  Not an opinion forum." CreationDate="2014-01-26T13:47:18.207" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6588" PostId="1433" Score="1" Text="I am well aware of the general principles of the network." CreationDate="2014-01-26T14:14:51.080" UserId="2937" />
  <row Id="6668" PostId="1433" Score="0" Text="Probably better to join the [Constructive News Google Group](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/constructivenews), where you will meet both followers of Bishop and people with different views on constructive mathematics." CreationDate="2014-02-01T10:15:38.973" UserId="2733" />
  <row Id="6601" PostId="1444" Score="3" Text="I'm not 100% about replacing the share link, but I'd definitely want to see it right there with the rest of the buttons. Somehow, though, I doubt either of these wishes are going to be granted any time soon. :\" CreationDate="2014-01-29T01:58:00.547" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6638" PostId="1444" Score="0" Text="I would like to add my voice to the request for replacing the 'share' link." CreationDate="2014-01-29T20:34:17.663" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6656" PostId="1444" Score="5" Text="I would be sad to see the 'share' link go. It generates a shorter URL that is more easily pasted into e-mails etc. I know I can do it by hand, but it is nice to be able to right-click and &quot;copy link address&quot;." CreationDate="2014-01-30T15:48:54.057" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6666" PostId="1444" Score="4" Text="@Willie Wong, I distinctly remember there used to be a permalink beneath each answer. I am of the opinion that the permalink was vastly better than the 'share' button we have now. The permalink (together with the cite button) was what I was implicitly thinking about when I suggested replacing the 'share' link." CreationDate="2014-01-31T21:54:48.160" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6612" PostId="1445" Score="30" Text="I don't see any good reason to have such answers floating around. Personally I feel that if a question has been answered in the comments and someone feels like getting it off the unanswered list, they should expand those comments into a proper answer (possibly CW depending on the amount of work this takes and personal preference)." CreationDate="2014-01-29T11:56:44.153" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6613" PostId="1445" Score="2" Text="With regards to bumping, unanswered questions are bumped automatically by the community user after some time. So adding an answer based on a comment does not lead to an additional bump, as the answer would otherwise be bumped automatically at some later point." CreationDate="2014-01-29T12:22:58.450" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6614" PostId="1445" Score="6" Text="Yes, but there would not be a dozen of them in a row." CreationDate="2014-01-29T12:25:12.360" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="6618" PostId="1445" Score="2" Text="@MadScientist are you sure about this? I do not believe that questions *without* answer are bumped  (at least not with any relevant frequency, and I mean the global frequency) [The questions that are actually bumped are those with answer yet still considered unanswered, ie no accept nonpositive score]" CreationDate="2014-01-29T13:17:41.343" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6619" PostId="1445" Score="1" Text="@quid As far as I know any question that is considered unanswered is eligible to be bumped. I'm pretty sure that includes questions without any answers at all." CreationDate="2014-01-29T13:30:45.753" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6620" PostId="1445" Score="1" Text="@MadScientist do you have an example of such a question? I mean *if* this happens there should be examples where one can see this phenomenon (in the ective list). I for one never saw this happen (and on the old MO expanded some effort to find an instance). But I know it is claimed somewhat frequently this happens. Yet I think it is merely the documentation that is misleading; or perhaps it is an actual bug, or the algo is very much mistuned. But in any case I highly doubt that q without a are bumped with a relevant global frequency. If not, where are todays (or this weeks) bumped questions?" CreationDate="2014-01-29T13:40:12.143" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6622" PostId="1445" Score="4" Text="@quid Seems you're right, though I'm not sure if that is a bug or intentional." CreationDate="2014-01-29T13:50:09.220" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6634" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="I wonder if the bumping algorithm changed. There are a few old favorites I haven't seen in a while." CreationDate="2014-01-29T17:21:25.860" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6635" PostId="1445" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I don't think so (at least not significantly). Which ones do you have in mind? For instance, the QxQ to Q polynomials questions we saw 1001 times on the frontpage (at least it felt like that for me) meanwhile has an answer with positive score *thus* it does not show up anymore. In my observation what the bumping does, and always did, is it gives visibility to relatively new **answers** that did not yet get any (positive) feedback provided the questions has no answers with positive score (or accept). I agree with M.S. it is not clear if this is by design, but also it might be." CreationDate="2014-01-29T17:47:19.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6616" PostId="1446" Score="8" Text="No one particularly prefers to have unanswered questions, but likely many more readers are looking for an answer rather than an unanswered question they can solve, so a short pointer does not save them the ploughing. As Tobias mentioned above, the useful way to deal with these cases is to rewrite the comments into a proper answer. Needless to say, this requires much more work." CreationDate="2014-01-29T12:58:02.813" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="6617" PostId="1446" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek: I don't know if there are more users looking for answers than there are users looking for brain teasers/ fun problems. The playful aspect of MO should not be underestimated. Writing out the full solution is not fun. This is why many questions are just addressed by short comments, under the assumption that if it is a pro asking the question, as it is supposed to be, he/she should be able to fill in the details." CreationDate="2014-01-29T13:02:35.563" UserId="40120" />
  <row Id="6621" PostId="1446" Score="0" Text="To document my point of view, my honest answer to the meta question [why do you use MO](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1311/what-mo-is-for-and-what-is-your-aim-in-participation) received several positive votes." CreationDate="2014-01-29T13:47:46.143" UserId="40120" />
  <row Id="6623" PostId="1446" Score="5" Text="If someone is just looking for a brain teaser, they do not need to care whether it was already answered, in comments or otherwise." CreationDate="2014-01-29T14:06:19.970" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="6624" PostId="1446" Score="1" Text="Please note that the user that started the very old discussion on questions spoiled by comments also said MO is for procrastination. So the reception of that answer of yours might not actually document what you claim. That being said in general I support the activity you undertook; only I would suggest to sometimes rather suggest closure (via flag) than answering something unclear and to moderate/spread out the volume. But if a comment really [essentially] answers, I support even just copying (with attribution) it in an answer box ." CreationDate="2014-01-29T14:21:38.240" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6626" PostId="1446" Score="0" Text="@quid: Thanks. I had done that at least for one question where the answer by Pietro Majer was clear and thorough, but that was also considered spamming in some way. Is there a clear policy on this?" CreationDate="2014-01-29T14:37:28.180" UserId="40120" />
  <row Id="6631" PostId="1446" Score="2" Text="Regarding policy, there is what is linked in OP and what is linked there, and basically this is what Noah Snyder says on the specific subject. And, there is some guideline that one should only bump about 3 old questions a day by maintainance tasks. The volume is really key. There is hardly any (generally visible) activity that is appreciated on the site at a rate of ten at once." CreationDate="2014-01-29T16:08:54.010" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6633" PostId="1446" Score="3" Text="I think there is a hypothesis here that is not quite correct. There is nothing wrong with answering a question that is already answered. Duplicate answers are to be avoided but genuinely different answers are always welcome." CreationDate="2014-01-29T17:08:54.423" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6639" PostId="1446" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais the software distinguishes strongly between unanswered questions and thos with answers, via the dedicated list and questions without answer have a very different apperance (red instead of green).  I think we should thus try to maintain some coherence of what the system communicates and what is actually the case. Just like  we delete (or move to comments) things in answer boxes that are not actually answers. [Or we should try to change the software; but I think it is helpful to have a notion of unanswered question.]" CreationDate="2014-01-29T21:07:29.423" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6730" PostId="1446" Score="3" Text="I used to look for unanswered questions to answer, but I gave up when it became clear just how many of them were answered in comments." CreationDate="2014-02-05T00:02:50.903" UserId="3711" />
  <row Id="6625" PostId="1447" Score="8" Text="This could be interesting but feels a bit complex for a minor improvement. Why not just close them as unclear? If they are unclear they should be closed. (One can and likely should be a bit patient at the start, but after a lot of time there is no reason to wait. Either OP does not care anymore anyway, or the clsure might wake them up, which then also could be undone.)" CreationDate="2014-01-29T14:28:36.057" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6733" PostId="1448" Score="4" Text="+1 for the first sentence! (That was exactly my first reaction.)" CreationDate="2014-02-05T08:30:29.100" UserId="21815" />
  <row Id="29117" PostId="1448" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft's [answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1445/this-question-has-been-answered-in-the-comments?rq=1#comment6612_1445) in the comments." CreationDate="2023-09-23T17:15:01.290" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="6627" PostId="1449" Score="6" Text="As a rule, every question should have one of the top-level tags with an Arxiv prefix." CreationDate="2014-01-29T15:04:21.690" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="6629" PostId="1449" Score="5" Text="Add the real-analysis tag, but leave the others as well." CreationDate="2014-01-29T15:08:11.660" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="6630" PostId="1449" Score="5" Text="To expand on @EmilJeřábek: If you were to submit a paper about this to the arXiv which category(s) from the ones given here http://arxiv.org/archive/math would you choose? You should at least use the corresponding tag (and possibly additional ones)." CreationDate="2014-01-29T15:49:30.210" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6636" PostId="1449" Score="1" Text="Dear @John Bentin, I do apologize if you think my edit was inadequate. While I did not say so before, you are free to undo my edit or change the tags as you see fit. I will stand by my edit, but it is *your* question. By the way, I also apologize for accidentally cutting out a letter from your question, which I did not notice until now." CreationDate="2014-01-29T20:16:51.943" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6637" PostId="1449" Score="1" Text="As long as I am here, I would like to also subscribe to the ideas presented in the comments above by Emil Jeřábek and quid, and in the answer given below by François Dorais: the top level tags (the ones with two letter prefixes like 'at.algebraic-topology') are useful for classification and search purposes, and also for increasing visibility of the questions to the right people. I will agree this set of top level tags adapted from the arXiv has several issues, but it has mostly become the norm on MathOverflow." CreationDate="2014-01-29T20:22:14.950" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6650" PostId="1449" Score="0" Text="@RicardoAndrade: Apology accepted. Thank you. The replies to my question support your tag, and I accept it now. But I will add mine, as recommended." CreationDate="2014-01-30T08:54:31.597" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="6728" PostId="1449" Score="1" Text="I would hope that on MathOverflow most disagreements do not end in war! Surely making a comment, as per @quid's answer below, is more often than not going to result in a positive and constructive discussion that will resolve any difficulties. (Evidence for this is provided by Ricardo's gracious response above.)" CreationDate="2014-02-04T10:24:36.387" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="15869" PostId="1449" Score="0" Text="Somewhat related: [What are top level tags, and why should I try to use them?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1075)&#xA;and [Why are MO tags formatted as they are?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1457)" CreationDate="2018-01-19T06:49:56.247" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6648" PostId="1451" Score="4" Text="Historical note: Not only is [tag:classical-analysis] a synonym of [tag:ca.analysis-and-odes], the original name of the tag was `ca.classical-analysis`. The arXiv category is &quot;classical analysis and ODEs&quot;, which is unfortunately too long. The reason for the change was that ODEs had no obvious major tag and people tended to (erroneously) use [tag:ap.analysis-of-pdes] for that purpose." CreationDate="2014-01-29T23:59:49.540" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="16870" PostId="1451" Score="1" Text="I'll just add an update to @FrançoisG.Dorais' comment above: After the limit for tag names was increased to 35 characters, MO moderators renamed this tag to ([tag:ca.classical-analysis-and-odes])." CreationDate="2018-08-03T07:00:30.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6652" PostId="1453" Score="1" Text="There are GM scripts for that." CreationDate="2014-01-30T10:44:46.810" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6653" PostId="1453" Score="1" Text="Kaveh mentions [such a script](http://stackapps.com/questions/2138/se-modifications-username-autocomplete-in-comments-inline-revision-source-a) on a [vaguely  related post](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/391/9072) That being said I think that mainly to have this change, which I fully support, would be relevant for thos that do not know it is possible at all so that they know (rather than as a convenience for those that do know)" CreationDate="2014-01-30T13:34:55.373" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6654" PostId="1453" Score="1" Text="Related to this perhaps one could also think about *displaying* the info that the center link leads to revision history (rather than just having it as a tooltip). Like 'see all revisions (last changed [timestamp])' instead of 'edited [timestanmp]'" CreationDate="2014-01-30T13:38:22.123" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6655" PostId="1453" Score="3" Text="By the way, while we're at it, we might as well ask for the timeline link to be made accessible." CreationDate="2014-01-30T15:20:23.970" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6658" PostId="1453" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila The timeline is an unsupported feature, and it looks rather confusing to anyone not familiar with the details of this feature. I  doubt it will be available publicly anytime soon. Though I'd really like a better timeline feature accessible to non-mods, the mod-only timeline is already pretty good (though it has a different purpose than the timeline you mentioned)." CreationDate="2014-01-30T21:29:36.837" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6688" PostId="1453" Score="1" Text="I'm going to bring this up on our feature call this week. So what you're basically saying is whenever there's no edits, just have a link that says 'history' instead?" CreationDate="2014-02-02T13:25:29.140" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6690" PostId="1453" Score="1" Text="Also, note, as a moderator you can get a _very_ detailed history by clicking on mod -&gt; timeline on any post (I do realize that this is about the public one, I just wanted to make sure you knew it was there as it's quite new)" CreationDate="2014-02-02T13:26:29.893" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6691" PostId="1453" Score="1" Text="@TimPost: Thanks! Yes, a history/revisions link that is always accessible even if a post hasn't been edited. We would be happy to discuss implementation details." CreationDate="2014-02-02T13:31:08.243" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28378" PostId="1453" Score="2" Text="Related posts on [meta.se]: [Show link to revision history when there are revisions but no edits](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/168765) and [Add a link to /revisions from the timeline](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/347405)." CreationDate="2023-03-11T08:16:16.983" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28379" PostId="1453" Score="2" Text="Regarding &quot;non-edit actions such as open/close and delete/undelete history&quot;, these can now be seen by navigating to the timeline of the post, by clicking on the clock icon below the vote buttons." CreationDate="2023-03-12T04:00:56.900" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="6657" PostId="1454" Score="5" Text="Wow! Congratulations!" CreationDate="2014-01-30T21:24:32.037" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="6661" PostId="1454" Score="3" Text="Thanks, François, you are very kind to mention it. It's surely been a lot of fun! And I've learned a lot." CreationDate="2014-01-30T23:08:37.330" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="6663" PostId="1454" Score="4" Text="Not to put you under undue pressure @JoelDavidHamkins but we expect  the 100k points celebration somewhat soonish now. :-) Congratulations!" CreationDate="2014-01-30T23:22:28.560" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6664" PostId="1454" Score="2" Text="@quid, I shall look forward to that party. (But it is not actually in my control!)" CreationDate="2014-01-31T13:41:56.023" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="6790" PostId="1454" Score="2" Text="Well, one upvote to each of those answers = 10k rep :-) (I'm not saying to do it, the mods have superpowers and can tell...)" CreationDate="2014-02-11T23:15:27.983" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="7774" PostId="1454" Score="1" Text="And now, Igor Rivin just reached his 999th answer!" CreationDate="2014-05-15T10:50:06.740" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="7812" PostId="1454" Score="1" Text="@Gil: Here is Igor's 1000th: http://mathoverflow.net/a/167358" CreationDate="2014-05-17T01:33:48.740" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6659" PostId="1455" Score="1" Text="The tags do not appear in a random order (they are sorted by size of the tag, at least the first is the largest). Except for old question (before upgarde) where the order is *as specified by user*. It is true there is *now* no notion of a *primary*/first tag (and there never really was one), but I do not consider this as a big deal." CreationDate="2014-01-30T21:35:13.967" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6660" PostId="1455" Score="2" Text="The answer to why there is no way is simly because the softwarre is used for many different things and for many/most there is not such thing as a standardized subject clssification. One might ask for this, but then, we have the toplevel tags from arXiv with the idea of serving some vaguely related purpose. Already this adds enough complexity to lead to somewhat constant confusion. I am really not to optimistic any change will lead to an improvement in pratice. By contrast everything that adds complexity will result in more confusion, inconsistencies and generally worse situation." CreationDate="2014-01-30T21:38:30.377" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6665" PostId="1457" Score="1" Text="On a related note, I believe it would make sense to tag http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1075 as [tag:faq]." CreationDate="2014-01-31T18:44:35.767" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="6667" PostId="1457" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek an efficient way to make this suggestion, recently introduce by Willie Wong, is to  tag it [meta-tag:faq-proposed] (note: the tag dissapered already, but see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1429/how-to-retag-such-that-migration-works for the process )" CreationDate="2014-01-31T22:55:22.600" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6669" PostId="1457" Score="0" Text="@quid: Thanks for the tip." CreationDate="2014-02-01T21:48:03.400" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16331" PostId="1459" Score="0" Text="Now there is a separate question about this: [Does it make sense to have both “surfaces” and “curves-and-surfaces” tags?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3730)" CreationDate="2018-05-13T08:28:12.753" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6670" PostId="1462" Score="2" Text="I don't know how it works, but I'm wondering how you get DOIs. Do you pay once for a whole namespace, or do you pay for each entry? The first might work here, the latter would be problematic, I suspect." CreationDate="2014-02-01T22:38:09.583" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6672" PostId="1462" Score="0" Text="You pay crossref for each DOI assignment; prices vary." CreationDate="2014-02-01T23:25:47.077" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6675" PostId="1462" Score="8" Text="Are there  many citations to MO that actually rely on the post being accessible? If I were to write say &quot;The following lemma is due to F. G. Dorais [cite MO]. &lt;Lemma&gt; &lt;Proof of Lemma&gt;&quot; it is not very relevant it is accessible, it is for giving credit, which is important, but nobody really *needs* to check it. But if I write &quot;The following lemma is due to F. G. Dorais [cite MO]. &lt;Lemma&gt; (no proof!)&quot; then it is key it is accessible. I suspect most quotes to be of former way (but I could be wrong, to know this is the main point of the cmnt). So &quot;resistance&quot; is a matter of style not accessability." CreationDate="2014-02-01T23:59:18.357" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6676" PostId="1462" Score="2" Text="@quid: That could be interesting to check. It might be a chicken/egg problem in the end. Incidentally, I was just reading another kind of citation: &quot;This section benefits a lot from the discussion in [16]&quot; where [16] is a reference to my answer [here](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/130832/first-order-consequence-of-a-combinatorial-principle)." CreationDate="2014-02-02T00:03:28.890" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6678" PostId="1462" Score="0" Text="Creating DOIs via CrossRef http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/20pub_fees.html requires a \$275 per annum fee (for a nonprofit) plus \$1 per DOI. There are alternative registration agencies for DOIs http://www.doi.org/registration_agencies.html perhaps Medra (marginal cost of DOIs 0.65 euros) may be applicable to us." CreationDate="2014-02-02T02:40:11.077" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6680" PostId="1462" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison: Yes, those are standard fees for journals. It's cheaper for other content types and it's not clear MO would fall into the \$1 category. If we find there is need for DOIs, we will need to negotiate with CrossRef (or others) for a better rate." CreationDate="2014-02-02T02:58:55.503" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6681" PostId="1462" Score="0" Text="What is (the legal representation of) StackExchange's position on archiving content?" CreationDate="2014-02-02T08:35:13.970" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="6683" PostId="1462" Score="0" Text="Archiving content is easily accommodated by the CC license all content is under. The archive would obviously have to link back to the main URL in the appropriate places, but I can't imagine any serious obstacle." CreationDate="2014-02-02T10:45:30.497" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6685" PostId="1462" Score="0" Text="I'd also suspect that deletion is far less of a problem that one might think. Posts that are worth being cited are extremely unlikely to be removed by the community or moderators. The only case I can imagine is a user rage-quitting and trying to delete their own posts, but that is not possible on a large scale without being noticed." CreationDate="2014-02-02T12:02:33.817" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6697" PostId="1462" Score="1" Text="@MadScientist: Undeleting inappropriately deleted posts is not something we do every day but it happens often enough. I suspect it would be more frequent if we were more proactive about monitoring self-deletions. I just had a quick look and there were a few self-deletions in January that I would investigate further if I had time..." CreationDate="2014-02-02T14:41:09.173" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6682" PostId="1464" Score="5" Text="The point is that the question you link to asks people essentially to write a book for you. -- This is asking *far* too much. A question suitable for MO can usually be answered in at most one or two pages of text. Therefore I suggest you to formulate your question in such a way that it allows brief, concise answers." CreationDate="2014-02-02T10:29:50.997" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6687" PostId="1464" Score="1" Text="It perhaps should go without saying, but however one chooses to focus on a particular sub-question, answers should be solidly based on evidence and/or first-hand knowledge. If an ex-Soviet mathematician were to come forward with mention of specific directives on research coming out of board meetings, that could be good and interesting. Opinions based on no more than guesswork or Cold War projections (or nationalistic impulses) would not." CreationDate="2014-02-02T13:21:53.653" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6701" PostId="1464" Score="1" Text="Regarding reposting on MSE: that seems like a bad idea since MO is much more likely to have knowledgeable people answering the question. Of course, that point is moot if the question doesn't get reopened on MO." CreationDate="2014-02-02T15:12:09.220" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6708" PostId="1464" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl I hope I have been able to address the issue you bring up in most most recent rework of the questions." CreationDate="2014-02-02T18:55:13.883" UserDisplayName="user45695" />
  <row Id="6935" PostId="1464" Score="0" Text="Maybe when Math Pedagogy gets going, it will be a home for some of your questions... http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/64216/mathematics-learning-studying-and-education" CreationDate="2014-03-03T15:18:48.900" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6684" PostId="1465" Score="0" Text="Are there actual cases of where cited MO posts were deleted? -- I'd doubt there are many." CreationDate="2014-02-02T10:50:07.223" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6686" PostId="1465" Score="6" Text="I like the one month window in which someone can delete and after which things become permanent.  @StefanKohl: There was an excellent mathematician on MO, whose answers now appear as User631, who posted many beautiful and informative answers, and for some reason deleted many of these.  I think these are a real loss for MO, but maybe this situation is uncommon." CreationDate="2014-02-02T12:32:54.113" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="6689" PostId="1465" Score="0" Text="Thanks Henry! Just a few complementary links: The snapshot archiving mechanism in 4 was suggested [here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/826) and a few flaws were pointed out. This [feature request](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1453/make-edit-history-more-accessible) is about making revision links more accessible; you should consider adding specific changes you feel would be useful there." CreationDate="2014-02-02T13:26:21.487" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6694" PostId="1465" Score="1" Text="Regarding 1, this is really the topic of the [long-term archiving thread](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/800/long-term-archiving-of-mathoverflow) and should be discussed there. However, the fact that MO is constantly updating makes it difficult to ingest (their term) by archival organizations; they would still need a buffer like archives.mathoverflow.net to do it properly (though the buffer doesn't need to be publicly visible)." CreationDate="2014-02-02T13:38:55.847" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6695" PostId="1465" Score="0" Text="The Internet Archive has a mechanism for saving pages on demand, e.g. [this page right now](http://web.archive.org/web/20140202133507/http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1462/improving-citations-of-mathoverflow-posts). The question is whether we could do better." CreationDate="2014-02-02T13:39:52.337" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6696" PostId="1465" Score="1" Text="Regarding &quot;MO is trying to become more citable by pretending to be something it's not.&quot; This is indeed a touchy issue. Unfortunately, academic citations are somewhat rigid. I'm afraid anything we could do to make MO more amenable to the format can be seen as &quot;[MO] pretending to be something it's not.&quot; Since you're not arguing that MO shouldn't try to be more amenable to academic citations, it would be more useful to break down what aspects you see as more contentious than others." CreationDate="2014-02-02T14:30:13.883" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6699" PostId="1465" Score="0" Text="By the way, in terms of permalinks to snapshots, I was imagining that everything would be archived (not just on demand), but a permalink like archives.mathoverflow.net/x/y would link to a view of page x at stage y (i.e., after the y-th significant change).  So the library would archive a time-stamped stream of posts and edits, and then a front end website would turn a permalink into a web page at a given time." CreationDate="2014-02-02T14:50:37.923" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="6700" PostId="1465" Score="0" Text="In terms of being amenable to citations, long-term archiving is the only substantive issue I see, although popularizing a recommended format could also help. In terms of looking like a journal, the arXiv could be a useful comparison. It's inherently more journal-like than MO, but papers are still cited a little differently to make their unrefereed preprint status clear. This isn't a problem if you don't care about this distinction (it's still just as good a citation in terms of awarding credit or providing access), but the small difference in format makes people who do care more comfortable." CreationDate="2014-02-02T15:03:11.180" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="6702" PostId="1465" Score="2" Text="For example, I'd feel uncomfortable citing a typical MO contribution in a way that looked like a journal paper, and I'd be embarrassed to be cited that way.  I'd rather cite it in a way that nobody would interpret as saying &quot;compared with all the other valuable mathematics on the web, this is particularly journal-like.&quot;  I'd be fine with something like &quot;Name, Mathoverflow answer N, date, permalink&quot;, but &quot;Name, Title, Annals of Mathoverflow Volume (Year), No. Issue, DOI&quot; would make me unhappy (to make up an extreme case)." CreationDate="2014-02-02T15:17:52.553" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="6703" PostId="1465" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure what to think about the DOI issue (instead of generic permalinks).  I think right now many mathematicians would interpret it as imitating journals, but that might change over time as they see DOIs in more places, so maybe it's not worth worrying about." CreationDate="2014-02-02T15:20:11.563" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="6704" PostId="1465" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarifications Henry. I think your example with the *Annals of MO* clarifies the issue very well and I completely agree. (Maybe it's worth inserting in an edit?) I think mentioning volume &amp; issue numbers, ISSN, DOIs in the question was misleading. I was trying to illustrate the broad range of possibilities but I ended up focusing on one in depth rather than a handful in breadth. Hindsight is 20/20..." CreationDate="2014-02-02T15:37:52.897" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6705" PostId="1465" Score="0" Text="Regarding DOIs, they are intended for a [lot of purposes](http://www.doi.org/factsheets/DOIKeyFacts.html) and, in many ways, can be thought of as &quot;permalinks 2.0.&quot; Like many things, they get associated to where they are most visible: journals &amp; books. I don't think we need to worry too much about it. For what it's worth, if CrossRef classifies the MO archives as a journal, they will charge us [prohibitive fees](http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/20pub_fees.html) instead of much cheaper rates for other content. It's good to keep in mind some possibilities are incompatible with each other." CreationDate="2014-02-02T15:48:29.340" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6707" PostId="1466" Score="0" Text="I have reworked how the questions have been divided. See: [1](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/156427/what-differences-existed-in-mathematics-research-publication-environment-between) [2](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/156474/were-there-differences-as-to-which-branches-of-research-in-mathematics-were-more) [3](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/156475/how-did-research-and-education-pedagogy-and-culture-differ-between-the-soviet-an)" CreationDate="2014-02-02T18:53:17.000" UserDisplayName="user45695" />
  <row Id="6839" PostId="1467" Score="0" Text="I'm taking a look at this, which means going back through a bit of history as changes go, and how your top tags are structured. Please give me a few days to wrap my head around all :)" CreationDate="2014-02-17T05:53:41.010" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="28044" PostId="1467" Score="0" Text="Even if your proposal doesn't get implemented, maybe tag suggestions could help new users with the choice of tags: [Should MathOverflow request suggested tags feature?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3652)" CreationDate="2022-12-04T09:19:41.220" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6706" PostId="1468" Score="0" Text="I have reworked how the questions have been divided. See: [1](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/156427/what-differences-existed-in-mathematics-research-publication-environment-between) [2](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/156474/were-there-differences-as-to-which-branches-of-research-in-mathematics-were-more) [3](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/156475/how-did-research-and-education-pedagogy-and-culture-differ-between-the-soviet-an)" CreationDate="2014-02-02T18:52:52.950" UserDisplayName="user45695" />
  <row Id="6710" PostId="1469" Score="4" Text="One thing I don't see clearly is a need to give a single link. A citation of the form `[User](1). [Answer Title](2), MathOverflow ([accessed Date](3)).` can give a link to the 'live' question in (2) and to the 'frozen' archive version in (3), and I think it's fairly clear what the role of each link is." CreationDate="2014-02-02T21:25:27.737" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="6713" PostId="1469" Score="1" Text="@EmilioPisanty: The problem is that link (3) doesn't exist yet. You are free to cite MO whichever way you want!" CreationDate="2014-02-02T22:58:17.117" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6715" PostId="1469" Score="0" Text="Well, for now link (2) can be to the post and link (3) to the revision history. Having such a scheme as a recommended citation now can help settle the workflow into something that can help melt the resistance to change, and pave the way for when an archive is set up." CreationDate="2014-02-02T23:07:34.833" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="6716" PostId="1469" Score="0" Text="@EmilioPisanty: Yes, that is pretty much the way citations ought to be done at this time (but they aren't)." CreationDate="2014-02-02T23:13:31.663" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6933" PostId="1469" Score="0" Text="@EmilioPisanty: that scheme is great for on-screen reading, but not so suitable for printed (or intended-to-be-printed) documents." CreationDate="2014-03-02T22:21:11.683" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="6711" PostId="1470" Score="5" Text="I wish that had been done, as essentially suggested by Ben Webster some hours ago." CreationDate="2014-02-02T22:54:12.663" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6712" PostId="1470" Score="1" Text="I am not sure I understand, and I am not sure the broom analogy helps me understand." CreationDate="2014-02-02T22:57:28.067" UserDisplayName="user45695" />
  <row Id="6714" PostId="1470" Score="5" Text="It is considered bad form to flood the site with questions, especially ones that are on similar topics.  As Ben had suggested, you should have asked them one at a time with a couple of days between them." CreationDate="2014-02-02T23:07:01.930" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6718" PostId="1472" Score="4" Text="I am not sure if this post is on topic here. Personally I am very interested in these issues, as I and a small group of people are setting up a higher-level physics site outside the SE network (to avoid having to fullfill externally prescribed activity criteria among other things). MathOverflow is our big shiny role model for how such an academic high-quality international online community can be successful." CreationDate="2014-02-03T13:48:03.553" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="6719" PostId="1472" Score="8" Text="I did not read those links, but as I understand the relevant law, as long as the website complies with certain rules (which only take effect in case of people making copyright claims against the site), then they have no responsibility to monitor user-provided content for copyright infringement or similar (this is all part of the DMCA)." CreationDate="2014-02-03T14:05:25.407" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6727" PostId="1472" Score="7" Text="I absolutely think this question is on topic here at meta.  Not only that, but it has a well-defined known-to-experts answer!  (One that I'm guessing reads &quot;MathOverflow didn't do much in this regard&quot;, but I could be wrong.)  I don't think at this time we _should_ do anything in this direction, unless there's a pressing reason to, so I hope this question does veer into an off-topic discussion about whether setting up such protections is wise." CreationDate="2014-02-04T03:40:27.333" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="6729" PostId="1472" Score="3" Text="You haven't specified the type of problematic content you are talking about so it is hard to answer. Generally legal issues about content are taken care of by SE legal team, moderators and users are not legal experts on these issues and the burden is not on them to deal with these issues. If you want to host your own service and worried about such issues then I think you probably will need to have a legal expert. Alternatively host your site on a network that provide such legal services, in which case it would be like when you have a WordPress blog or a mailing lists on a university network." CreationDate="2014-02-04T23:50:25.740" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="6741" PostId="1472" Score="0" Text="BTW, it seems that both the links provided are the same, and also quite a bit out of date, as that blog post was written before the DMCA took proper effect (and before enough cases had had a chance to provide precedent on how it is used)." CreationDate="2014-02-06T11:49:33.743" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6751" PostId="1472" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Kaveh and others for your comments. Yes, I formulated my question in a general way as many different issues might come up. We are building up the site outside the SE network on purpose, it may be that it will not be recepted exclusively friendly, so looking for a legal expert that supports us might be a good idea indeed (our hosing service probably does not provide legal protection). This is why I am very interested in how people handled these issues _before_ joining the SE network ..." CreationDate="2014-02-07T09:51:54.213" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="6752" PostId="1472" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft do you have some more appropriate recent links in mind?" CreationDate="2014-02-07T09:55:00.790" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="6753" PostId="1472" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately not. It seems like the sort of thing that Ken White from Popehat would have written about at some point, but a quick search did not turn up anything." CreationDate="2014-02-07T09:56:41.300" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6762" PostId="1473" Score="3" Text="There was a book on that by Milan Kundera." CreationDate="2014-02-08T01:16:03.757" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="6763" PostId="1473" Score="0" Text="@Will, would you share the title with us?" CreationDate="2014-02-08T06:21:00.303" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="6764" PostId="1473" Score="1" Text="Apparently i was slightly off about the title, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unbearable_Lightness_of_Being" CreationDate="2014-02-08T18:03:41.783" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="6770" PostId="1473" Score="2" Text="@Will, that's what I suspected :-) (There is a certain melodic similarity between the two titles)." CreationDate="2014-02-09T06:34:59.207" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="6720" PostId="1474" Score="4" Text="As a side note, the reputation change breakdown is available [in the user profile](http://mathoverflow.net/users/8385/wlodzimierz-holsztynski?tab=reputation)." CreationDate="2014-02-03T20:28:02.303" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="6721" PostId="1474" Score="1" Text="Thank you FGD and AL. &quot;Reputation&quot; is supposed to be some harmless entertainment, a trivia item. Instead, it became unpleasant." CreationDate="2014-02-03T23:46:35.060" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="6722" PostId="1474" Score="6" Text="@WlodzimierzHolsztynski: I agree. Unfortunately, like in many games, some players get overly enthusiastic and the referees must step in..." CreationDate="2014-02-03T23:52:58.063" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6731" PostId="1474" Score="2" Text="François, just out of curiosity (and don't answer if it may cause any problem): what kind of voting irregularities are there on this site? Is that people creating many accounts to vote several times?" CreationDate="2014-02-05T02:17:56.873" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="6734" PostId="1474" Score="1" Text="@Joël I think the biggest problem is people creating sock puppet accounts to vote themselves up.  I can't recall a case that involved anything else, but perhaps there's one I don't know of." CreationDate="2014-02-05T10:54:39.503" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="6736" PostId="1474" Score="2" Text="There have also been occasional spots of nuisance downvoting (thankfully few)." CreationDate="2014-02-05T18:23:53.943" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6740" PostId="1474" Score="1" Text="In this case it sounds like someone systematically going through Wlodzimierz's answers and upvoting them without reading them. I believe that there are bots running to detect these kinds of anomalies and reverse such votes." CreationDate="2014-02-05T22:21:27.067" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="6735" PostId="1475" Score="0" Text="Very strange. I thought I had responded to this. If you give me the user account number into which you want your other account(s) to be merged, I will do this again. Sorry for your inconvenience. (Ah -- I *had* made this request of you before. But I assume from your current request that it's 45525.)" CreationDate="2014-02-05T17:27:39.227" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6742" PostId="1478" Score="6" Text="Please reserve the [tag:bug] tag for software bugs in the site. This page was probably shared on a social media site." CreationDate="2014-02-06T16:43:17.867" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="6743" PostId="1478" Score="0" Text="Are you asking where all those views come from? I don't see anything strange here." CreationDate="2014-02-06T17:14:54.923" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6745" PostId="1478" Score="2" Text="@MadScientist: What I found surprising is that many views in six days. In one week this has become one of our most popular question/answers, surpassing 40,000 others. But quid's analysis indicates there is nothing amiss here. I must say it shows MO to a good light. Kudos to Jim Belk!" CreationDate="2014-02-06T18:15:35.753" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="6785" PostId="1478" Score="1" Text="Meanwhile it is the question with most views ever on MO, already *very* close to 100k." CreationDate="2014-02-10T19:46:37.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6744" PostId="1479" Score="5" Text="This post was shared on reddit (not by me, although I enjoy sharing mathoverflow posts on reddit). It was very popular there." CreationDate="2014-02-06T18:13:01.127" UserId="27933" />
  <row Id="6746" PostId="1479" Score="1" Text="@BrianRushton yeah, my first thought was you were to &quot;blame.&quot; :-) But I checked if somebody got some of the promotion badges, but apparently it was shared without tracing or by a nonuser (which made me abandon the idea it was you)." CreationDate="2014-02-06T19:01:08.517" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6755" PostId="1482" Score="0" Text="Thank you, Tim! (I was about to write you, because for some reason the SE team hadn't responded to my second merger request form -- I thought enough time had elapsed where I would have heard something.)" CreationDate="2014-02-07T12:26:43.250" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6761" PostId="1483" Score="7" Text="The SE servers are running on Precog architecture." CreationDate="2014-02-07T19:12:53.537" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6784" PostId="1483" Score="1" Text="The linked meta post does have something to do with it, however I'm not certain why we didn't just take the time stamp of the answer. It's almost as if that particular badge hadn't been granted since you wrote the answer, but that's definitely not the case. I'll ask a developer to have a peek and see how this might be explained." CreationDate="2014-02-10T10:38:21.613" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6757" PostId="1484" Score="0" Text="1. This is in place. In fact deleted content is always visible to users with 10k points. 2/3. Is [this](http://mathoverflow.net/posts/19152/revisions) or [this](http://mathoverflow.net/posts/19152/timeline) what you have in mind?" CreationDate="2014-02-07T18:15:07.980" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6758" PostId="1484" Score="0" Text="5/6. I'm not sure what you mean here. We have no way of controlling how users cite MO." CreationDate="2014-02-07T18:16:18.530" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6759" PostId="1484" Score="0" Text="7. Some of that is not possible but our contract with Stack Exchange includes provisions to get around this." CreationDate="2014-02-07T18:17:15.473" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6760" PostId="1484" Score="0" Text="@François G. Dorais In no. 2 I was thinking about a visual interface like that on top of www.archive.org, or slider of some kind. One of your links returns page not found, the other gives all the revisions but not how the page looked like at the time of revision. This is pointed out in the question. On the other hand, the question does speak about how peeple cite MO and about how a proposed solution would help them in the future. This is why I included no. 5 and 6 in the answer. They show how the intent behind the question (easy citing to historic MO state) would be materialized." CreationDate="2014-02-07T18:40:17.563" UserId="45138" />
  <row Id="6768" PostId="1484" Score="0" Text="The proposal to have a URL that displays a page as it appeared at a certain date is actually pretty reasonable; this could be written on top of the public data dump (with the exception of some deleted content, which is also removed from dumps, I think). Stripped down to a minimal idea this might deserve a separate thread." CreationDate="2014-02-09T01:19:32.327" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6769" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="I recall similar discussions on meta.MSE," CreationDate="2014-02-09T03:44:17.067" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6771" PostId="1485" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila I have looked at the questions that are tagged [citation](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/citation), but I did not find which one you have in mind. The only thing I recall, which is related to this, is [DOI support for hyperlinks](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/104031/doi-support-for-hyperlinks) - a [meta-tag:feature-request] by Willie Wong on meta.SO." CreationDate="2014-02-09T09:26:25.660" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6772" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="@Martin: Yes, the DOI feature was born from a discussion, and my adamant refusal to open an account on meta.SO, leading Willie to post this request. (It was before the days that it was established that feature requests can be made on any meta.) I should also point out that the situation here is different, because MO is allowed to inject non-malicious scripts into the page, so we can do it independently." CreationDate="2014-02-09T10:21:15.500" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6774" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="@quid: Oh, it might be the case that I was thinking about this thread. (Scott, note how you claimed to be uninterested in implementing this yourself. :-))" CreationDate="2014-02-09T10:31:24.933" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6775" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila (Sorry I deleted comment as I were to add something. Yes I think this could be it, see one of your later comments)  There is a discussion on tea started  also mentioning some to be started discussion on meta.math.SE see http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1147/doi-feature/ Yet in a comment to this later related  dicussion you only recall tea and meta.SO http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/3277/would-it-be-possible-to-use-something-like-wikipedias-templates-here" CreationDate="2014-02-09T10:32:44.737" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6776" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the historical research! I'd forgotten so much (even though I'd been part of those conversations)." CreationDate="2014-02-09T11:05:19.900" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6777" PostId="1485" Score="1" Text="The 'hack' search interface above already recognizes MR numbers, and could very easily be made to recognize arXiv identifiers too. I'm imagining that if you already have text selected when clicking the 'add citation' button, that will be pasted into the search. Thus one could simply type 'in the paper MR12345', highlight the MR12345, click the 'add citation' button, accept the first search result, and be on your way. This sounds really appealing to me!" CreationDate="2014-02-09T11:07:21.877" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6778" PostId="1485" Score="1" Text="I have a very similar feature request on MSO (http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/116397/add-explicit-support-for-citing-scientific-literature). Mine is a bit more focused on life sciences though." CreationDate="2014-02-09T12:16:03.120" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6779" PostId="1485" Score="1" Text="By the way, the script is pretty awesome. I got a bit scared when &quot;Iggy Pop&quot; returned ten results. :-)" CreationDate="2014-02-09T15:20:35.210" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6780" PostId="1485" Score="1" Text="@MadScientist's request also suggests footnoting the full citation, which I think is a nice idea." CreationDate="2014-02-09T20:51:46.100" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6781" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, yes, as written it's intended as a very 'fast and loose' search. If some of your search queries don't match, it still returns the best matches for the others. Notice [iggy](http://semorrison.github.io/citation-search/?q=iggy) returns no results" CreationDate="2014-02-09T20:53:25.653" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6782" PostId="1485" Score="2" Text="Yeah, obviously the &quot;Iggy Pop&quot; search was to poke fun at this pretty cool tool. I also searched for several metal bands. Interestingly most of them (except obvious names like Death and Earth) returned nothing. [Abyssic Hate](http://semorrison.github.io/citation-search/?q=abyssic%20hate), on the other hand, had four results! :-)" CreationDate="2014-02-09T21:11:42.267" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6841" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="It is definitely possible to add buttons to the edit window; for a nice example see [**MathJax buttons on the edit window**](http://stackapps.com/questions/3373/mathjax-buttons) in stackapps." CreationDate="2014-02-17T11:50:11.870" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="6842" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="[(Link to this question on meta.physics.se)](http://meta.physics.stackexchange.com/questions/5495/a-cite-this-paper-will-you-button)." CreationDate="2014-02-17T12:00:49.067" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="6849" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="I was going to comment here with links to the necessary javascript for extending the edit window, but @EmilioPisanty already posted it :p The code for adding buttons starts [here](https://github.com/Manishearth/Manish-Codes/blob/master/StackExchange/MathJaxButtonsScript.js#L122)" CreationDate="2014-02-17T14:26:13.160" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="6868" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="@Emilio: Note that while it is always possible to use StackApps addons, MathOverflow enjoys the courtesy of injecting JS code into the page itself which may allow a uniform output regardless to the user's choice of StackApp preferences. SE may or may not extend the same courtesy to Physics.SE, Math.SE, CSTheory.SE, and Cross Validated. All whom I believe would benefit from this sort of code." CreationDate="2014-02-18T22:13:05.450" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6871" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I was vaguely aware of something of the sort. I thing it's getting ahead of the game; it's pointless to speculate about whether SE will include it or not (presumably they will, if we ask loudly enough), without having at least some sort of working prototype, or at least agreement over the specs for one." CreationDate="2014-02-18T23:40:31.893" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="6873" PostId="1485" Score="1" Text="@EmilioPisanty, thanks for this. Someone (likely me) should adapt the example you linked to do what we want. If that looks okay we can arrange to inject it from the footer." CreationDate="2014-02-19T08:43:02.423" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6902" PostId="1485" Score="1" Text="Old request for this feature in MSO, turned up by Shog9: [Add explicit support for citing scientific literature](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/116397/add-explicit-support-for-citing-scientific-literature)." CreationDate="2014-02-24T22:15:02.680" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="6786" PostId="1486" Score="2" Text="Is there a way to sort questions by number of views?" CreationDate="2014-02-11T18:24:31.497" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6788" PostId="1486" Score="2" Text="@GeraldEdgar no, but yes. By which I mean there is no way via tabs and the standard userinterface, but one can get such lists via the data explorer. See for example  http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/166766/most-views for a list of all questions sorted by views (with at least 5000 views). If one just cares about those with relatively many one could also look for those with famous question badge, that is +10k." CreationDate="2014-02-11T20:38:42.097" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6797" PostId="1486" Score="1" Text="GeraldEdgar: This seems also related: http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/3538/most-upvoted-and-viewed-questions The link mentioned there is: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/greatest-hits I am not sure about exact algorithm, but this page seems to combine somehow score and number of views." CreationDate="2014-02-12T16:51:19.957" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7436" PostId="1486" Score="0" Text="As a side-note, [a question](http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/733754/visually-stunning-math-concepts-which-are-easy-to-explain) on math.SE recently (to date) got 126380 views in 11 days. This says maybe this phenomenon isn't going to be as surprising in the near future :) Hopefully it sparks some STEM careers." CreationDate="2014-04-11T18:48:50.287" UserId="19965" />
  <row Id="6799" PostId="1487" Score="2" Text="For the last paragraph, it's a good exercise to take a look at our list of [Greatest Hits](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/greatest-hits) and see which questions might not belong there." CreationDate="2014-02-12T17:01:58.753" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6801" PostId="1488" Score="3" Text="Thanks for that hands-on comparison: it makes your point very, very effectively." CreationDate="2014-02-13T17:50:28.553" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6802" PostId="1488" Score="0" Text="The light blue is easily discernible for me, the contrast to the background is stronger than on many other SE sites. The old yellow looks rather too extreme to me. Though especially with light colors this can look very different on different displays. There is also the option to exchange the CSS client-side, I have a Chrome extension to do that for SE lying around somewhere." CreationDate="2014-02-13T17:50:35.960" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6803" PostId="1488" Score="1" Text="Screenshots of the difference: [current - blue](http://i.stack.imgur.com/0qZw2.png) and [old - yellow](http://i.stack.imgur.com/Uekl3.png)" CreationDate="2014-02-13T17:53:08.847" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6804" PostId="1488" Score="2" Text="@MadScientist: I thought it was my crummy display before, but I bought a very good Dell monitor recently, and it looks even worse (the brightness and contrast of the Dell is much better than I had before, and the &quot;blue&quot; became even lighter). I also use the site on my smartphone, and my [Windows 8] tablet quite frequently. Do I need to install CSS-changing scripts on each of these? Or do asking to restore MO to its original usability seem too much? (Thanks for the screenshots, by the way!)" CreationDate="2014-02-13T17:56:33.467" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6805" PostId="1488" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila : I have the same experience: my work monitor, the colors are somewhat discernible, but on my home monitor, which is a supposedly very good monitor, and my laptop screen, the light blue is too light. And I'm not colorblind by the way. The old yellow is not very attractive, but at least it did the job. An alternative solution would be to make this editable for users, but I guess that needs SE support." CreationDate="2014-02-13T18:20:15.810" UserId="3897" />
  <row Id="6806" PostId="1488" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Changing it globally makes sense if this is a problem for a large number of people. I can't really judge that, it looks fine for me but that doesn't really say much. There are probably some objective measures of contrast that one could use to see if the color is really problematic." CreationDate="2014-02-13T18:49:25.500" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6807" PostId="1488" Score="2" Text="@MadScientist: If you look at Jin's answer to my previous thread (linked in the first line of my post), it is claimed that the styling was copied from the old version of MO. Apparently not so." CreationDate="2014-02-13T19:31:17.033" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6808" PostId="1488" Score="2" Text="Either of the color schemes at Mad Scientist's links works for me. Since it seems some people find yellow better for the usability of the site, while the argument against yellow (so far) is just aesthetic, I'd give preference to usability and recommend changing to yellow." CreationDate="2014-02-13T19:44:27.817" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="6809" PostId="1488" Score="2" Text="On my screen, the recognizability of both background colors depends mostly on the angle under which I look at the screen -- viewed under a low angle, neither of them can be distinguished easily from the white background, and viewed under a right angle, both of them can." CreationDate="2014-02-13T22:18:48.423" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6810" PostId="1488" Score="2" Text="For me on my computer, the yellow is easily distinguishable at all angles, and the blue is nearly indistinguishable at most angles." CreationDate="2014-02-14T16:26:26.773" UserId="1044" />
  <row Id="6812" PostId="1488" Score="0" Text="I'll make sure Jin sees this folks - it seems to be a recurring issue. We might be able to make some tweaks for those that have difficulty differentiating colors." CreationDate="2014-02-15T14:17:23.757" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6813" PostId="1488" Score="0" Text="Thank you, @Tim! You truly are an enchanter!" CreationDate="2014-02-15T14:18:47.020" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8189" PostId="1488" Score="2" Text="@Tim: It has been five months since this post was made; and roughly a year since other posts requesting minor changes in the color scheme of the site. I don't believe this change is *that* difficult that it takes a year to implement; and even if it's not on the top of the priorities, it's still probably a relatively quick and painless change. (And while we're at it, make the links more distinguishable in the comments, as another thread requests.)" CreationDate="2014-07-07T11:03:38.450" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6820" PostId="1489" Score="3" Text="Perhaps it is appropriate to link to http://mathoverflow.net/questions/74707/mathematical-habits-of-thought-and-action-which-would-be-of-use-to-non-mathemati" CreationDate="2014-02-15T22:25:31.470" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6828" PostId="1489" Score="4" Text="It's interesting to compare with physics.SE. Physics.SE tried to split itself into two pieces, a high-level one and a general one, like MO and math.SE. The high-level spin-off failed, and physics.SE has had trouble retaining members who are professional physicists. The lesson seems to be that you can't attract and retain professionals if participation on the site seems too much like work (i.e., teaching undergraduates). MO was high-level from the start, unlike physics.SE." CreationDate="2014-02-16T21:18:48.107" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="6816" PostId="1490" Score="4" Text="The last sentence is in my opinion a myth, or at least cuts both ways, in that I cannot help but feel that sometimes, although rarely, (off-line) reputation (for lack of a better words) is used as a substitute for a proper argument (or correct behavior)." CreationDate="2014-02-15T20:29:13.787" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6817" PostId="1490" Score="1" Text="@quid: I think it's become less true, but certainly for the first year or so of MO people really did all know each other, and I think that made a big difference in how the tone got set.  At a bare minimum the fact that all the early moderators knew each other made a huge difference in terms of the MO team functioning well." CreationDate="2014-02-15T20:36:36.897" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="6821" PostId="1490" Score="1" Text="Perhaps I misunderstood what you mean by &quot;did all know each other&quot; I agree the site was and is still small enough so that *on the site* most the regular user somehow know each other (and this has some effect). For claims beyond that I highly doubt it. You might have known quite a lot of people, but first after a year the site was already quite developped and second I would be curious what happens if you go through the list of users by rep, and reflect to what extent you really know them other then on/via the site. Did you really know (in a meaningful sense) most all of the first two pages?" CreationDate="2014-02-15T23:44:14.823" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6822" PostId="1490" Score="1" Text="From [this snapshot](http://gilkalai.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/mo8.jpg) of the top 35, 11 were offline friends or colleagues.  Another few are friends of friends, and another few are people who I was &quot;internet friends&quot; with through the math blogosphere before MO." CreationDate="2014-02-16T02:09:26.477" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="6823" PostId="1490" Score="1" Text="First, thanks for the effort. I did not really mean the old list but still. Second, this is not a year but six month after the creation. Third, while this is impressive, all knew each other feels still like an overstatement for the situation you describe. In addition to various of these now seeming virtually gone (what you acknowledged too). But let us leave this side subject. My actual issue is with the second part. The q is mainly about content and detail, not tone. I do not buy this is due to people being worried about maintaining their offline reputation." CreationDate="2014-02-16T02:30:08.623" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6843" PostId="1490" Score="1" Text="@quid: For those of us who edit under our own name, *of course* there is a desire not to embarrass ourselves. I just now clicked on &quot;users&quot; on the main site, and 31 of the 36 users shown on the first page appear to edit under an identifiable name (of course this is just one sample). My belief is that a significant part of the quality of this site is that users view it as an extension of their professional interaction with other professionals whom they already know, rather than as a mere diversion with anonymous strangers." CreationDate="2014-02-17T13:20:32.400" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="6844" PostId="1490" Score="1" Text="@CarlMummert did it occur to you that for those that do not edit under their own name but use the site regularly, there is also a desire not to embarass themselves *on this site.*  As a pseudonymous user you have nothing but what you contribute here to establish some credibility, and thus it is *more* important that this is rather consistently solid. And actually *above all* I would assume that any mathematician that deserves to be called one will make an effort to write correct mathematics no matter what, out of respect for the subject itself. (cont.)" CreationDate="2014-02-17T13:34:22.943" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6845" PostId="1490" Score="3" Text="Yes, I realize that for users who use pseudonyms, the only source of real &quot;reputation&quot; is a pattern of good contributions. However, I think the role of real identities on this site cannot be ignored. Under the list of &quot;top lo.logic users / last 30 days&quot;, I know at least 9 of 19 personally (not counting myself), and 19/20 appear to use their real name or at least first name and initial. The final one uses three initials. Of course, again, this is just one sample, and the debate of using real names versus pseudonyms can't be answered here. But I do feel that real names encourage civility. @quid" CreationDate="2014-02-17T13:40:02.693" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="6846" PostId="1490" Score="1" Text="(cont.) It does not affect me personally but if I would be here under my own name and would be told I only (or mainly or also just significantly) try to be coherent and correct out of some kind of fear for consequences elsewhere I would find this ever so slightly offensive. But, also, if you want to actually establish what you claim shouldn't you at least compare the quality of the contributions of the regular contributors posting under a real name and not? Rather than just claim it is relevant. [Written in parallel to @CarlMummert second comment but seems still relevant.]" CreationDate="2014-02-17T13:42:52.997" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6847" PostId="1490" Score="2" Text="Sorry for one more comment @CarlMummert  Re 'civility' This likely depends on what one means by 'civility'. Some likely are not as openly confrontational as they otherwise would be, perhaps, but then some seem, as a substitute, to engage in some not so easy to spot bullying and related activity. It is not clear which of the two is more of a problem. (But we are getting a bit off-topic now, I agree.) [To be clear the &quot;some&quot; does not refer to anybody in thsi thread.]" CreationDate="2014-02-17T13:48:40.410" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6815" PostId="1491" Score="1" Text="Flippant answer: because only one of the answers can be listed first!" CreationDate="2014-02-15T20:14:20.987" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="6819" PostId="1491" Score="2" Text="(1) It might not be difficult for me to find out, but perhaps you could link to the question, to save people from making a guess. (2) You could see what the community thinks and then choose one accordingly (either the &quot;underdog&quot; or &quot;overdog&quot;, depending on how you feel about such matters). You could also leave a note under the unaccepted answer that you found it very hard to choose between X and Y; they were both virtually equally great answers. Almost certainly the &quot;loser&quot; would take it in stride." CreationDate="2014-02-15T22:03:45.363" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6936" PostId="1491" Score="3" Text="Meanwhile, you might want to accept an answer to *this* question." CreationDate="2014-03-03T22:26:02.150" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6937" PostId="1491" Score="0" Text="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVXon0r64Y ALSO  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Aej9wmoQ7M" CreationDate="2014-03-04T03:55:21.273" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="6938" PostId="1491" Score="0" Text="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QV6FpYfbn0" CreationDate="2014-03-04T04:07:17.057" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6939" PostId="1491" Score="0" Text="@Gerry, wow, i would never have been able to come up with that one. For instance, I had no idea The Lovin' Spoonful did that song." CreationDate="2014-03-04T04:49:13.927" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="6814" PostId="1492" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much for the link, it has a lot of good discussion and references to similar threads. Should this question perhaps be closed as a duplicate?" CreationDate="2014-02-15T19:16:25.903" UserId="47002" />
  <row Id="6818" PostId="1492" Score="3" Text="As meta functions a little differently from MO main, I'm not too fussed about possible duplication. Ongoing discussion of community norms is probably a healthy thing -- reasonable people can and do disagree on them at various points." CreationDate="2014-02-15T21:56:50.813" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6827" PostId="1493" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl it seems my fingers where consistently out of sync...thanks for fixing it." CreationDate="2014-02-16T12:05:36.390" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6829" PostId="1494" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, 'stone-cech-compactification' has more than 25 characters. Nevertheless, I agree that the tag 'stone-cech' would be better with a reference to compactification; perhaps 'stone-cech-compactificat'? I also agree that the tag 'compactification' should be pluralized." CreationDate="2014-02-17T00:54:10.850" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6830" PostId="1494" Score="2" Text="On the other hand, the tag 'stone-cech' might be well-defined enough and sufficiently populated to not be adequate as a synonym of the tag 'compactification'. Maybe what we really need here is a new mechanism (beyond the existing synonym mechanism) for making some tags subordinate to others. In this case, we could make the tag 'stone-cech' subordinate to the tag 'compactification'." CreationDate="2014-02-17T00:56:29.687" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6834" PostId="1494" Score="2" Text="When I was about to pluralize prime number theorems, I realized that the phrase is too easily interpreted as &quot;theorems about prime numbers&quot; rather than &quot;theorems about the distribution of prime numbers&quot;. Thoughts?" CreationDate="2014-02-17T02:52:09.503" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6840" PostId="1494" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais a tag wiki should more or less solve this problem (I only did not write one before, since it depends a bit). But we could also create [tag:prime-number-distribution] (or its plural) and synonymize both PNT and Dirichlet to it." CreationDate="2014-02-17T10:47:13.050" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6859" PostId="1494" Score="2" Text="And while we are pluralizing tags, can we please also pluralize the tag name 'configuration-space'?" CreationDate="2014-02-18T07:23:54.197" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="7593" PostId="1494" Score="1" Text="I oppose the synonym of dirichlet to PNT. Dirichlet has proven at least two theorems in his lifetime. We shouldn't prejudice toward analytic number theory." CreationDate="2014-04-25T15:18:00.197" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="7594" PostId="1494" Score="1" Text="@WillieWong this is a valid criticism, and also further reason to get rid of that tag. I'll remove it right away. (Oh! It turns out it is gone anyway. Not sure if retagged or auto deleted.)" CreationDate="2014-04-25T15:25:48.960" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="14931" PostId="1494" Score="0" Text="I will just point out that the limit for tag names was increased to 35. The tag is now called ([tag:stone-cech-compactification]) and there is a synonym (stone-cech] $\to$ (stone-cech-compactification)." CreationDate="2017-09-27T09:59:50.727" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6824" PostId="1495" Score="2" Text="I think that arsmath's comment on your question is as good an answer as you're going to get.  I don't think this question is appropriate for MathOverflow.  In general, given your background as described in the comments on http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/663823/suggestions-for-a-learning-roadmap-for-universal-algebra (i.e. an engineering student who doesn't know much pure math), I really don't think that you're going to be able to fruitfully use MathOverflow (as your numerous closed [and since deleted] questions demonstrate)." CreationDate="2014-02-16T05:30:27.043" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6825" PostId="1495" Score="5" Text="@AndyPutman Thanks! I will remember to go away forever." CreationDate="2014-02-16T05:55:42.610" UserDisplayName="user45695" />
  <row Id="6826" PostId="1495" Score="9" Text="+1, thanks for asking, even though the answer was &quot;no&quot;." CreationDate="2014-02-16T10:02:27.213" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7472" PostId="1496" Score="1" Text="Jack, the proposal has just reached the commitment phase! You may want to write a follow-up post." CreationDate="2014-04-16T18:46:43.673" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="6851" PostId="1500" Score="1" Text="Link to  question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/137574/research-level-mathematical-bookstores Perhaps to historically lock it could be an option. In this way it would not be completely deleted but it would still be clear that the list is not updated." CreationDate="2014-02-17T19:10:27.450" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6869" PostId="1500" Score="1" Text="Todd has locked it. I'm a bit annoyed, since I posted an answer plugging the Barnes &amp; Noble at 5th Avenue and 18th Street in New York City, and I can't update that answer by noting that that store has closed." CreationDate="2014-02-18T22:27:36.947" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6870" PostId="1500" Score="0" Text="Yes. Perhaps it should be deleted..." CreationDate="2014-02-18T22:51:09.673" UserId="23572" />
  <row Id="6855" PostId="1503" Score="20" Text="What are the advantages of MO having more of a social media presence?" CreationDate="2014-02-18T05:01:02.397" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6856" PostId="1503" Score="21" Text="It seems like a bit of a waste of time, and likely to attract the wrong kind of users." CreationDate="2014-02-18T05:20:06.820" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6857" PostId="1503" Score="5" Text="It seems that a social-media tag would suffice. No need for the specific tags. (In fact, I'm not sure that the social media tag is needed either.)" CreationDate="2014-02-18T05:24:38.603" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6858" PostId="1503" Score="8" Text="I will add my voice to Asaf Karagila's suggestion of removing the tags 'facebook', 'twitter', and 'google+'." CreationDate="2014-02-18T07:18:15.313" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="6860" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="somewhat related http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1599/mathoverflow-community-relations/" CreationDate="2014-02-18T07:23:55.947" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6861" PostId="1503" Score="5" Text="Personally I am not (yet) convinced of the idea, but to discuss it seems interesting so I upvoted." CreationDate="2014-02-18T07:24:55.187" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6863" PostId="1503" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila Perhaps the already existing ([meta-tag:site-promotion]) tag would be better here? (Instead of facebook, twitter, google+.)" CreationDate="2014-02-18T08:46:47.403" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6864" PostId="1503" Score="4" Text="This older discussion seems related (to some extent): http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1253/does-mathoverflow-really-want-the-publicist-badge" CreationDate="2014-02-18T08:49:41.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="6865" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="@Martin: Spot on, methinks." CreationDate="2014-02-18T08:54:23.797" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="6903" PostId="1503" Score="2" Text="I find this one an entirely reasonable question; are the downvotes being used to mean &quot;I disagree&quot;, rather than &quot;it's a bad question&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-02-25T10:58:57.193" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="6867" PostId="1504" Score="6" Text="+1 for the obsolete technology nostalgia." CreationDate="2014-02-18T21:35:45.563" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6970" PostId="1504" Score="0" Text="Googling suggests that Alpine does support the NNTP protocol, which for guest access should be as simple as setting `nntp-server = news.gwene.org` in the appropriate config file. But I don't use Alpine, so I am not sure. (Alternatively, SLRN is a text-based news reader that is very simple to configure.) In general I think you'd get better responses if you include some more info (what have you tried, what are the errors, etc.)" CreationDate="2014-03-05T08:35:13.503" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6866" PostId="1505" Score="19" Text="The first thing I see when I click on the link you provide is a request to register at Facebook, like always with Facebook links. I don't like this -- in my opinion, reading a webpage should be possible without getting requests to register, to subscribe or to buy something." CreationDate="2014-02-18T18:09:48.373" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6872" PostId="1505" Score="3" Text="A better example or model might be the AMS page on Google+, which currently has over 136,000 followers: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AmsOrg" CreationDate="2014-02-19T02:28:25.363" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="6874" PostId="1505" Score="1" Text="@Stefan: So, are you saying: because of the registration request, we should just leave the page as the boilerplate, and not do anything with it?" CreationDate="2014-02-19T15:06:17.597" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6875" PostId="1505" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Facebook page would be for Facebook users. Not everyone is or wants to be on Facebook. But I don't see how it implies that there should be not MO community on FB." CreationDate="2014-02-19T16:41:52.903" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="6878" PostId="1507" Score="0" Text="Meanwhile the &quot;definition&quot; is over, and it is in &quot;commitment&quot;. (This does however not mean that everything is decided already.)" CreationDate="2014-02-19T22:46:14.713" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6879" PostId="1510" Score="2" Text="My guess is that this is for questions that would be suitable for math.SE if cleaned up, but at the time aren't well-formed enough to merit migration." CreationDate="2014-02-20T21:03:42.643" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="6880" PostId="1511" Score="0" Text="thanks.  I had somehow missed the revamping closure reasons discussion." CreationDate="2014-02-20T23:00:03.870" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="6881" PostId="1511" Score="2" Text="I think somehow that the closing reasons still overlap too much and should be more disjoint." CreationDate="2014-02-20T23:35:05.033" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="6882" PostId="1511" Score="0" Text="You are welcome. I agree that there is a lot of overlap and this can result in some confusion. I hardly vote to close these days, but I always thought the (old) 'rule' of somebody commenting when voting to close worked well (and makes these fixed &quot;reasons&quot; for closing effectively unnecessary; sure we always had them but it was sort of understood that they are vague and the particular selected reason is not so relevant)." CreationDate="2014-02-20T23:41:29.447" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6883" PostId="1511" Score="0" Text="I also rarely vote to close anymore which is perhaps why I was confused." CreationDate="2014-02-21T00:15:19.773" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="6884" PostId="1512" Score="0" Text="Note: quid posted a similar notice in the first linked answer above, but it is difficult to know that registration has started from the post title alone. I would have edited that question if I had sufficient reputation." CreationDate="2014-02-21T18:08:38.220" UserId="27933" />
  <row Id="6885" PostId="1512" Score="0" Text="It would be good, also, to get *experts* on math teaching/learning (in addition to practitioners of math teaching).  These might be psychologists or sociologists?" CreationDate="2014-02-22T15:14:39.503" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6886" PostId="1512" Score="2" Text="@GeraldEdgar I agree it could be good to have more, but also we already have some (from the top of my head the MOers, Joel Reyes Noche and Benjamin Dickman). But, AFAIK, most experts in math teaching are actually (rather mainly) mathematicians. Sure, there might be some aspects of cognitive science and developmental psychology and alike that could be relevant sometimes, still I do not think there are many psychologists let alone socoiologists that are experts on mathematics teaching." CreationDate="2014-02-23T18:50:59.667" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6951" PostId="1512" Score="0" Text="Only for the record, the proposal has now enough support to enter private beta, but one still can signup for it, AFAIK." CreationDate="2014-03-04T17:17:19.763" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6941" PostId="1513" Score="0" Text="Sorry, missed this on my last pass. Sending over to Jin - thanks for the report :)" CreationDate="2014-03-04T12:06:06.773" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6887" PostId="1514" Score="0" Text="thank you, you asked it before me, I hope some one can help to merge both accounts of mine." CreationDate="2014-02-23T21:36:02.457" UserId="44949" />
  <row Id="6888" PostId="1514" Score="0" Text="@M.Shahryari, maybe. It probably depends on the exact reason(s) your earlier account became inaccessible to you." CreationDate="2014-02-23T21:37:54.917" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="6890" PostId="1514" Score="0" Text="@M.Shahryari, there is now an &quot;answer&quot; to this by moderator Todd Trimble, who successfully located your earlier account and has started the process of merging it into your current account." CreationDate="2014-02-23T21:42:21.000" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="6891" PostId="1514" Score="0" Text="@M.Shahryari, final note, now we go back and forth between MO Main and Meta by clicking on the upper-left word StackExchange, which then shows you a choice of pages." CreationDate="2014-02-23T21:45:03.793" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="6889" PostId="1515" Score="0" Text="Cool, thanks. We used to have a fixed &quot;sticky&quot; meta thread for merge requests that was always one of the top four or five, I guess it is not so easy to implement that in the stackexchange setup." CreationDate="2014-02-23T21:40:38.367" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="6892" PostId="1515" Score="0" Text="@WillJagy it could be made a [meta-tag:faq], which is the not-quite-analogue of a sticky thread. (It is however not quite clear to me this is still so useful. On the old MO the site moderators could do this and this was a/the way to contact them about this; now this has to be handled by SE staff and they set up a way that is documented in the help center http://mathoverflow.net/help/merging-accounts )" CreationDate="2014-02-23T21:52:20.823" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6893" PostId="1515" Score="1" Text="@quid, then i guess it all fits; not as frequent now, harder to do, we will just have requests one by one then." CreationDate="2014-02-23T21:55:38.883" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="6894" PostId="1515" Score="0" Text="@Todd Trimble: thanks, I didn't know that it is possible to merge both accounts, I am thankful of you and Will Jagy." CreationDate="2014-02-24T04:11:21.260" UserId="44949" />
  <row Id="6940" PostId="1515" Score="0" Text="We could use chat for this sort of thing a bit more efficiently. Just paste the links there, then @timpost - please merge ^^^ - that's sufficient enough for me if it works for you." CreationDate="2014-03-04T12:04:34.530" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="6942" PostId="1515" Score="0" Text="@TimPost Definitely works for me. In fact, a relief -- thanks. :-)" CreationDate="2014-03-04T14:58:18.603" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6895" PostId="1516" Score="20" Text="I was hoping someone would weigh in by now, but the question seems unobjectionable to me too (and we see reference requests all the time). There are occasional responses to questions that suggest the expectation that the OP has already done a little homework before bringing a question to MO -- not a bad rule of thumb -- and maybe the commenter thought that here. Not sure." CreationDate="2014-02-24T12:51:53.553" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6896" PostId="1516" Score="8" Text="I agree that reference requests should be welcome on MO, and to me the question seems fine." CreationDate="2014-02-24T13:18:30.380" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="6897" PostId="1516" Score="3" Text="I know in certain other stackexchange forums, questions will be quickly closed unless they show research on the part of the asker." CreationDate="2014-02-24T14:30:35.603" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6898" PostId="1516" Score="14" Text="@GeraldEdgar: I think the question at hand passes that test, too.  The asker specifically mentions one reference already found and explains why it's not what he/she wants, and describes having found a similar result in several other places.  It looks to me like research has been done but without success." CreationDate="2014-02-24T15:27:20.573" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="7398" PostId="1516" Score="2" Text="Rumsfelds Theorem (there are known unknowns, and unknown unknowns) immediately springs to mind. Example: No amount of search could have led me, an amateur, to &quot;Burnside obstruction to the Montesinos-Nakanishi 3-move conjecture&quot; (only sheer dumb luck and the fact that he's the P of HOMFLYPT). Hey, couldn't he named the paper &quot;Reddmanns skein relation sucks because the recursion won't get started for complicated knots&quot;? :-) And thus I'm deeply indebted for any reference MO digs up for me. Even if I don't understand a word of it (which is likely :-)" CreationDate="2014-04-07T14:23:55.960" UserId="11504" />
  <row Id="6901" PostId="1517" Score="6" Text="In spirit, if not in letter or semantics, this question is a duplicate of http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1381/reference-requests-good-ways-and-bad-ways .  I think that MathOverflow is not a reference desk, but is the next line of resource after the reference desk has been approached.  I think developing and communicating a tighter analogy will make the definition of the purpose of MathOverflow clearer to that portion of the community that appreciates such distinctions, and might help in day-to-day operations as well.  Gerhard &quot;Not Asking For Question Closure&quot; Paseman, 2014.02.24" CreationDate="2014-02-24T19:14:10.173" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="6904" PostId="1519" Score="0" Text="+1. I think your final point is right on. Users with G+, twitter or other social media accounts should be encouraged simply periodically to share MO questions or posts they find especially interesting." CreationDate="2014-02-26T03:52:34.213" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="6908" PostId="1519" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Sharing by users is one think, already used by some. Creating a MathOverflow account on Twitter / G+ (or rather reactivating one, see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1503/mathoverflows-facebook-page) may be also beneficial (as it would be a channel _only_ for MO, not personal &quot;some math + political views + photos from trips&quot;)." CreationDate="2014-02-27T11:50:40.513" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="6910" PostId="1520" Score="0" Text="&quot;Those people&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-03-01T01:49:30.683" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="6911" PostId="1520" Score="10" Text="Since you appear to be very new to the site, let me point out that users typically do not throw out easy answers to questions they feel are not appropriate for MO. For example, throwing out easy answers to homework problems would be frowned on by the community (which is not to say that yours is a &quot;homework problem&quot;). The general trend is to encourage a certain level of question and to discourage others. Perhaps you can argue successfully here that your question is MO-worthy, but nothing compels people to throw out answers, and nothing is gained by trying to badger people into doing so." CreationDate="2014-03-01T03:09:07.813" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6912" PostId="1520" Score="0" Text="@Todd Trimble: You have a point there and I totally understand. But on the other hand, there should be some things prevent arbitrary not-so-serious judgements from happening. I myself have the intention to look down to some simple-look questions. Of cos, it's your call. Finally let me explain what I did." CreationDate="2014-03-01T03:15:21.603" UserId="47622" />
  <row Id="6914" PostId="1520" Score="0" Text="... disappointed...never mind, no time to spend on these stupid things. good luck everybody." CreationDate="2014-03-01T03:25:57.397" UserId="47622" />
  <row Id="6915" PostId="1520" Score="0" Text="btw: before I leave, I want to say to Andres Caicedo and some other people, 1. yes I'm not a native speaker. So if I said something funny, please laugh, for free. 2. if you tried to vote to close some topic, first please convince yourself that it is indeed an easy job. In my opinion, voting without serious thoughts are much ruder than dirty words-like bad deeds to words. 3. I'm still waiting. Anyone by any chance has an answer for my original question(although 'those people' made me delete it), please send a message, I will be really grateful." CreationDate="2014-03-01T04:00:18.297" UserId="47622" />
  <row Id="6916" PostId="1520" Score="0" Text="4. Didn't intend to offend anyone who were serious about my question. I'm sorry, if I offended accidentally. 5. I was trying to delete this post as well, didn't succeed. If any powerful person think it is improper, please do it, no problem with me." CreationDate="2014-03-01T04:04:14.483" UserId="47622" />
  <row Id="6917" PostId="1520" Score="2" Text="I believe your &quot;if you tried to vote to close some topic, first please convince yourself that it is indeed an easy job&quot; has some merit. Indeed it sometimes happens that a user will vote to close based on a quick impression and not notice that a question is nontrivial. I haven't decided myself whether your question is an example of this (not my area of expertise), but I do acknowledge that the question has problems (tagging, for one). Quid has given some suggestions to consider. This may have &quot;stone soup&quot; potential: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1046/what-shall-we-do-with-stone-soup" CreationDate="2014-03-01T04:29:01.197" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="6918" PostId="1520" Score="0" Text="I'm doing research on PDE and my problem is directly related to the questions on how the energy functional decay rate relate to the damping kernel in a damping wave equation with memory. Now you guys said 'oh, you should put context into your question'. But other people might say 'just give us your damn question, i don't care the story'. You have to admit that possibility exists, don't you? I think sometimes it is good to extract a concrete question out of the boring context." CreationDate="2014-03-01T04:39:08.837" UserId="47622" />
  <row Id="7107" PostId="1520" Score="6" Text="I strongly disagree that anyone will say 'just give us your damn question, i don't care the story' - in particular, in the guidelines that quid link to in his answer below, you see that it is explicitly encouraged to give a healthy amount of background and motivation!" CreationDate="2014-03-15T13:36:23.427" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="6920" PostId="1522" Score="0" Text="Well, Putting my post in closure is based on your judgement; stating 'narrow minds' is based on my judgement. How do you know which one is convincing? Working out an easy answer will support your judgement! Paying more attention to my wording other than my question does not make you convincing either." CreationDate="2014-03-01T05:18:45.223" UserId="47622" />
  <row Id="6921" PostId="1522" Score="16" Text="Fortunately, I don't have to be convincing --- I'm not the one trying to get an answer to a question. I'm trying to help you get where you want to go. If you reject my considered advice as to how to get there, which one of us loses?" CreationDate="2014-03-01T05:21:05.847" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6922" PostId="1522" Score="0" Text="Sure, you are in charge! :-)" CreationDate="2014-03-01T05:21:50.690" UserId="47622" />
  <row Id="6923" PostId="1522" Score="8" Text="Oh, and this &quot;easy answer&quot; business you keep raising --- it's a red herring. Putnam competition problems, for example, often don't have easy answers, but they are (mostly) off-topic on MO." CreationDate="2014-03-01T05:22:34.607" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6924" PostId="1522" Score="4" Text="I don't know how you manage to type, with a chip that size on your shoulder." CreationDate="2014-03-01T05:23:18.953" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6925" PostId="1522" Score="0" Text="I saw too much such ugly faces on so-called 'people in charge', this does not surprise me at all. btw:congratulations!" CreationDate="2014-03-01T05:23:33.307" UserId="47622" />
  <row Id="6926" PostId="1522" Score="7" Text="I'm not in charge of anything. I'm just trying to help you get where you want to go. But I'm getting convinced that where you want to go is into a brick wall, at full speed." CreationDate="2014-03-01T05:26:49.423" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="6927" PostId="1522" Score="0" Text="Ha, thanks for your help without which I will die." CreationDate="2014-03-01T05:27:53.697" UserId="47622" />
  <row Id="6929" PostId="1522" Score="22" Text="@user47622, you've now started insulting people who were trying to help you. This is not acceptable behaviour here, so I've suspended your account." CreationDate="2014-03-01T06:01:26.903" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6930" PostId="1523" Score="41" Text="It's not so much that you're asking other people to search the literature, but rather that you're asking if someone knows something off the top of their head.  It can be hard to know how to look something up in an area you don't know very well (though obviously it is an inappropriate question if e.g. googling the question title immediately turns up the answer or something)." CreationDate="2014-03-01T18:23:05.140" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6931" PostId="1523" Score="2" Text="@AndyPutman: Yes, that was exactly my point (which I tried to explain in the paragraph following the one from which Alexandre quoted)." CreationDate="2014-03-01T18:31:25.613" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="6932" PostId="1523" Score="1" Text="Perhaps a &quot;collective memory&quot; tag could be established to indicate the kind of search that can't be done  by keyword alone, and for which a  brief pointer to the literature would suffice.  My second question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/134826/counting-factors-is-this-approach-in-the-literature-on-multiperfect-numbers would likely have benefitted from such a  tag ." CreationDate="2014-03-02T21:16:03.280" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="6934" PostId="1523" Score="4" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger what would be gained from having such a tag? In which way would this be an improvement over having just reference-request? Or, what should be the precise difference?" CreationDate="2014-03-03T01:00:07.390" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6984" PostId="1523" Score="0" Text="@quid, I messed up my response and deleted it.  The intent is that a vague but suggestive memory might answer this new type: only a bibitem or equivalent will answer a reference request." CreationDate="2014-03-05T22:00:12.990" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="6985" PostId="1523" Score="0" Text="In particular a bibitem to me carries an air of certification; a half remembered event does not, yet may be effective through suggestion." CreationDate="2014-03-05T22:01:48.527" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="6987" PostId="1523" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger thanks for the explication. There might be room for finer nuances in the large reference-request tag, which I agree is not optimal; the then mildly controversial creation of textbook-recommendantion comes to mind. Though I see some issues with  the particular name you propose for the tag; not only but also as a tag should typically indicate what the question is about. If you want to follow up on this perhaps create a q on it or we could chat about it in the editors' lounge." CreationDate="2014-03-05T22:56:46.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6946" PostId="1527" Score="0" Text="I still use pine!  I only switched from linux to a mac when I learned that I could continue to do almost everything from a terminal window..." CreationDate="2014-03-04T16:24:37.923" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6948" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong: you're right, I don't understand what does it mean, so it's a bit useless. Now it's a discussion, so what're the main statements for you, and what do you think about (if you're able to discuss)?" CreationDate="2014-03-04T16:38:37.300" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6949" PostId="1528" Score="2" Text="One thing to consider is also that there are simply more answers than questions. Sure, this does not at all fully acount for this effect, but still it is a non-negligible effect." CreationDate="2014-03-04T16:47:15.670" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6954" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong: about [your link](http://mathoverflow.net/help/whats-meta) I read: &lt;&lt; On posts tagged feature-request, voting indicates agreement or disagreement with the proposed change rather than just the quality or usefulness of the post itself &gt;&gt;. But my post is not tagged feature-request so an up or downvote is not about the fact of being agree or not agree with my statements. What I require is a discussion, then a downvote should mean that the user thinks it's useless to discuss about these subjects... I think it is very useful, that's why I've posted this question." CreationDate="2014-03-04T18:27:35.733" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6955" PostId="1528" Score="5" Text="*&quot;The ability of giving &quot;good&quot; answers seems much more recognized than of asking &quot;good&quot; questions.&quot;* Who says they are good questions? As I have commented before on meta, asking questions is cheap. Finding good questions is non-trivial. Moreover, sufficiently vague/confused questions require much more effort to make sense of than they do to ask. So I am not at all convinced that those who ask more questions than they give answers are under-rewarded on MO" CreationDate="2014-03-04T18:42:29.020" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="6957" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@quid: why did you remove your first comment ?,  it was relevant for me. Anyway, about your last comment, I count $48186$ questions, whose $9380$ are unanswered. I don't know the number of answers, but it seems there are on average 2 answers by questions. So the &quot;mid career&quot; ratio could be on average $1/2$ instead of $1$, so that &quot;early career&quot; users should be far from 1/10 or 1/100.  Then, as you said, we need others explanations for a complete understanding of the phenomenon. What do you think about this Omertà, as I try to explain in the post and in comments of Stefan's answer." CreationDate="2014-03-04T18:57:30.183" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6959" PostId="1528" Score="2" Text="I deleted it because on rereading it it felt too cryptic. but here it is again (except minimal variation) &quot;A very general point to consider is whether one thinks of MO as a tool to an end or an end in itself.&quot; By which I mean that if one holds the former opinion, while certainly the site could not work if nobody wanted to ask question, it should also be recognized that then it would also be somewhat pointless to have it in the first place. So, if ever we run out of questions, so what, let's call it a day and do something else. (Of course I know this is an oversimplification.)" CreationDate="2014-03-04T19:06:27.353" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6960" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: First, I don't think that all my questions are &quot;good&quot;, but I think some of them are. Next, there are not only &quot;good&quot; questions on one side and &quot;bad&quot; questions on the other side, but a continuity between &quot;good&quot; and &quot;bad&quot;. I think many users retain themselves to ask too much questions, because of the Omertà I talked about. Finally, I don't think there is a correlation between the fact of being &quot;well-written&quot; and being &quot;good&quot; for a question: sometimes a vague/confused question becomes very good, the transformation is an effort, but both are useful (the asker and the improver)." CreationDate="2014-03-04T19:50:07.317" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6961" PostId="1528" Score="9" Text="I don't see why you are so concerned about how many questions *other* users post.  I have to say that your &quot;opinion&quot; about the reason many high-rep users rarely post questions is simply wrong, at least in my case.  For the most part, when I have a question these days I have a pretty good idea of who would be a good person to ask and I just ask them directly.  This works because I have a fairly broad network of colleagues and collaborators; there is rarely a reason to resort to MO.  But I enjoy answering questions here." CreationDate="2014-03-04T20:52:33.540" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6962" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman: interesting, of course you're free to do as you like, nevertheless your questions (and the answer coming from your network) could interest the MO community. In my case,  when I have research level question, I write it on MO, and sometimes when I know a good person to ask, I send to him a link to the post by email, and if he answers me and he is not a (regular) MO user, I report his answer as CW." CreationDate="2014-03-04T21:36:02.097" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6963" PostId="1528" Score="2" Text="That sounds like a lot of extra work.  Also, I suspect that most of the people I correspond with who don't already use MO know about it and are not interested in it for one reason or another.  I see no reason to try to pressure them to use it.  I have fun answering questions here, but not everyone does..." CreationDate="2014-03-04T22:03:14.457" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="6964" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman: I'm agree with the extra work aspect. For the other aspect, instead of sending a link to the post, you could just copy and past the content of the post by email and then write yourself his answer on MO  (if he allow)... but you're right it's a lot of extra work..." CreationDate="2014-03-04T22:52:40.280" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6969" PostId="1528" Score="8" Text="The reason for the downvote seemed fairly clear to me when I read the question (though I can only speculate of course). The tone, both in the question and in the comments of the OP is very accusing towards those who answer much more than they ask, and implies that these people are motivated by selfish reasons." CreationDate="2014-03-05T08:26:37.607" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6972" PostId="1528" Score="1" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: I'm sorry if my tone sounds like that. I don't want to accuse anybody, neither those with much more answers than questions, nor with much more questions than answers, nor anything else. I would just denounce an [Omertà](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omert%C3%A0) through which people retain themselves to post too many questions for not appearing as &quot;suspect&quot;, and in this case, the motivation would be more the fear than the selfishness. Anyway, I'm reassured by the answer and some of the comments." CreationDate="2014-03-05T11:05:07.360" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6973" PostId="1528" Score="9" Text="I think your use of &quot;Omertà&quot; is a very poor choice of metaphor.  There are no police, no criminals, and no dead informants here.  If you feel compelled to use colorful language, you may want to consider describing a culture of shame instead of external intimidation.  For example, I have had conversations at work about the scarcity of questions from Japanese mathematicians here." CreationDate="2014-03-05T12:55:59.507" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="6975" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan: Nice conversations! I would be interesting by a development. Do you think this *culture of shame* exists outside of Japanese mathematicians, in all the mathematics community (and, in some sense, a little bit in the MO community)? About the word &quot;Omertà&quot;, in French it is not so extremal, it has passed into everyday speech (it's used for example in many political debates)." CreationDate="2014-03-05T13:22:05.727" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6976" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="Asking a lot of questions is not a problem.  But: ask one at a time.  Wait a few days before asking the next one." CreationDate="2014-03-05T13:34:07.153" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="6977" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: &quot;asking questions is cheap. Finding good questions is non-trivial&quot; I'm agree. I've found an interesting dual statement: answering questions you already know the answer (or you can easily find  because you're an expert) is cheap, else think about it is non-trivial." CreationDate="2014-03-05T15:35:24.453" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6979" PostId="1528" Score="2" Text="@SébastienPalcoux: The difference is that an answer which an expert can easily give may still be very valuable for the person who has asked the question." CreationDate="2014-03-05T18:18:36.593" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6981" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: Of course you're right. Do you think that a question that an expert understand well and *can't* answer (easily), is *surely* a &quot;good&quot; question ?" CreationDate="2014-03-05T20:10:59.070" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6982" PostId="1528" Score="6" Text="@SébastienPalcoux: No, I don't think so. -- I think a &quot;good&quot; question is one which an expert in the respective field finds interesting. -- There are *lots and lots* of questions nobody has a clue how to solve, but from whose solutions one cannot expect to learn anything interesting (stupid example: &quot;Is the number of prime factors of $10^{10^{100}}+1$ odd or even?&quot;). In mathematics (and in sciences in general), the art of asking a good question is not to find a hard question, but to find one whose answer gives interesting new insights." CreationDate="2014-03-05T21:36:04.810" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="6986" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: I'm agree again. Your example is funny." CreationDate="2014-03-05T22:45:42.220" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6988" PostId="1528" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: Astronomy analogy: it's by focusing a telescope on the area of the sky where there is the less light, that you can obtain the most deep informations about the birth of the Universe. In the same way, less a question is (apparently) connected to current subjects, more an answer could be a deep advance, but of course, more the answer could be hard to find (we need a huge mathematical telescope). The Collatz conjecture could be an example, 30 years ago." CreationDate="2014-03-05T22:58:07.293" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6950" PostId="1529" Score="0" Text="I'm agree with you about all the other possible contributions. I focus on questions and answers. Don't you think there is an [Omertà](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omert%C3%A0), about the ratio I talked about? Don't you think the ratio of the OP conditions the votes of the post ?  Don't you think that many regular users retain most of their questions for not appearing as &quot;suspect&quot; because of this Omertà (this could explain why the ratio is very small for most of the regular users)?" CreationDate="2014-03-04T16:56:11.957" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6952" PostId="1529" Score="0" Text="About the point of asking a lot of relatively similar questions, you're right, sometimes I post a question with several suites. But each suite is a useful and strict specilization or augmentation of the previous one, and I've no choice of posting a new question because too big edit are &#xA;not allowed. In my opinion, it's MO itself which could be improved about these points." CreationDate="2014-03-04T17:24:27.257" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="6993" PostId="1529" Score="0" Text="Note that all these different contributions are not recognized equivalently regarding to the reputation points: question gives 5pts/upvotes (I disagree, I would prefer 10pts), answer 10pts/upvotes, editing: 2 pts, commenting 0pt/upvote (perhaps 1pt should be better), voting and flagging: nothing. So I note that our reputation is really not representative of our participation." CreationDate="2014-03-06T14:28:09.083" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="7096" PostId="1530" Score="0" Text="Now I want to answer this question myself, at least it covers a large set of functions." CreationDate="2014-03-05T18:23:36.903" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="6965" PostId="1531" Score="2" Text="I ran into this problem because I use the EFF's [HTTPS everywhere](https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere) extension, which attempts to force HTTPS connections where possible." CreationDate="2014-03-04T23:22:47.527" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6966" PostId="1531" Score="2" Text="THis came also up on meta.SO some weeks ago http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/215450/ssl-breaks-tex-rendering" CreationDate="2014-03-05T00:02:01.080" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6971" PostId="1531" Score="1" Text="SE actually does not really support HTTPS right now, there is more stuff than MathJax that breaks if you force the sites to use HTTPS." CreationDate="2014-03-05T09:31:44.123" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="6989" PostId="1531" Score="1" Text="As an interim work-around, [SOUP](http://stackapps.com/questions/4486/stack-overflow-unofficial-patch) includes a client-side fix for this issue." CreationDate="2014-03-06T01:09:11.417" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="7122" PostId="1531" Score="1" Text="Note that HTTPS is not yet _fully_ supported, this will be fixed when it is." CreationDate="2014-03-17T06:40:20.787" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="7357" PostId="1531" Score="1" Text="Seems [meta-tag:status-completed] by http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/215450/ssl-breaks-tex-rendering/225923#225923 also tested and seems to work" CreationDate="2014-04-05T22:45:41.537" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6967" PostId="1532" Score="0" Text="I already clarified what functions I consider: those equal to their Newton series." CreationDate="2014-03-05T00:27:05.560" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="6968" PostId="1532" Score="5" Text="Yes, and that improves the question.  But: (1) you still use the word &quot;function&quot; for two paragraphs before you impose this restriction (so it remains unclear what you mean by &quot;function&quot; in the abstract); (2) it wouldn't hurt for you to tell us the domain and codomain; and (3) does discrete-analytic imply integrable, or is integrability something you're silently assuming?  I wasn't one of the closers, so understand this for what it is: an attempt to help you understand why it was closed.  That's what you asked for." CreationDate="2014-03-05T01:14:20.400" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="6994" PostId="1532" Score="1" Text="How is it possible to get a reputation of 1,655 in MO by asking three questions with votes {0,-3,-11} and giving one answer with votes -7 ? Cf. http://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/10059/anixx I am amazed!" CreationDate="2014-03-06T14:54:09.590" UserId="12643" />
  <row Id="7000" PostId="1532" Score="5" Text="@TaQ how is it possible to a get a reputation of 927 with 0 answers and 0 questions? ;-) More seriously, the link you give is to the **meta** user of OP; these are thus his meta contributions that have nothing to do with the repuation on the main site. [Footnote: Actually it would be  possible to get 927 without answers and questions, via suggested edits, but this is capped at 1000.] Other than that I find your rather negative comment a bit unnecessary." CreationDate="2014-03-06T17:18:03.940" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7005" PostId="1532" Score="0" Text="@ quid: OK. I didn't notice the difference. Sorry." CreationDate="2014-03-06T23:50:59.350" UserId="12643" />
  <row Id="6978" PostId="1533" Score="2" Text="The question has now been migrated to [math.stackexchange.com](http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/700554/random-operators)." CreationDate="2014-03-05T16:57:11.063" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="6980" PostId="1533" Score="3" Text="I think you gave the reason yourself. The question would be a dupe on target site and this is reason for automatic rejection (I am pretty sure I read that recently on meta.SO but cannot find it ATM if I find a source I will upgrade tp an answer)." CreationDate="2014-03-05T19:02:11.067" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6990" PostId="1533" Score="1" Text="@quid No, only the other closure reasons make the migration be rejected. Closing as a duplicate is an exception (unless they changed this)." CreationDate="2014-03-06T08:38:53.407" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6991" PostId="1533" Score="2" Text="@TobiasKildetoft we are talking about different types of mig rej. You're right for usual (user caused) rejections. But I talk about *automatic* rej, ie, one done without any user action on target site, even somehow before the question arrived on target site. Checking the questions edit hist you can see this was instant, the q never arrived on math.SE to be closed there. This auto rej happens AFAIK (at least) for no matching tag, OP (question) banned on target, and duplicate detected by software. I might misremember but I mentioned this slightly before in chat in a different context." CreationDate="2014-03-06T10:42:02.763" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6992" PostId="1533" Score="0" Text="@quid Ahh, thanks for the clarification." CreationDate="2014-03-06T11:22:15.413" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6997" PostId="1533" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: thanks. Did the question show up in the failed migration logs that mods have access to? If so, does it give a reason?" CreationDate="2014-03-06T15:55:21.397" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6998" PostId="1533" Score="0" Text="@quid: where did you see that? The [MSO faq on migration](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10249/what-is-migration-and-how-does-it-work) only mentions Q-bans and tag problems." CreationDate="2014-03-06T15:57:31.437" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="6999" PostId="1533" Score="0" Text="I don't recall where I saw it, else I could find the source. And, I also checked the FAQ you linked and noted it is not there. Still I am pretty sure I saw it. While I could imagine my memory playing tricks on me here as you set the context it is more difficult for me to imagine I dreamt up what I wrote in chat before http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/14058678#14058678  As I say I might misrember of have misunderstood it. Sorry that I cannot say more than: I am pretty sure I read it but I cannot find it now." CreationDate="2014-03-06T16:03:59.253" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7121" PostId="1533" Score="0" Text="I'm looking into this because it doesn't appear to be due to tags, or the user's ability to ask questions. What remains is that another _identical_ version of the question was on Math prior to this being migrated, but I'm not aware of any duplicate content checks." CreationDate="2014-03-17T06:37:16.883" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="10416" PostId="1533" Score="0" Text="OT to answer a question on a now deleted question:  I do not know exactly when/why migrations meta-&gt;main became imposisble but it seems like a global recent change. The issue is that not rarely questions asked by mistake on meta are such that they might be closed on main too (at least initially). Then, one has a rejected migration and the ensuing mess (question being locked on main where it should be improved...). The idea was for example mentioned on meta.math by a user known by many names, on a feature-request by Asaf. Possibly, they pushed through the change, which I find an improvement." CreationDate="2015-04-28T13:09:48.067" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7026" PostId="1535" Score="1" Text="Is it possible to make the citation link text more than just the title? I would prefer a more comprehensive link text, with authors, journal, year, etc. It is easy to delete this or simplify it, for those who don't want it, but a bit harder to add it in. Also, I guess the literature search doesn't seem to include the math arxiv?" CreationDate="2014-03-10T16:28:49.800" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="7034" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins, I think this can be arranged pretty easily. The search tool returns all this data, so it's just a matter of tweaking the javascript that inserts the link. I'll ask Manish to do this. I can include all the arxiv readily enough, but I'm going to wait on resolving another issue." CreationDate="2014-03-10T22:22:59.227" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7074" PostId="1535" Score="2" Text="Another idea might be to make the article title the link, but to have the rest of the citation information such as author and journal etc. available inside the &lt;cite&gt; object as (unlinked) mere text." CreationDate="2014-03-12T00:14:03.363" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="7101" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins What do you think of [this](https://github.com/Manishearth/SE-CitationHelper/blob/master/citationhelper.user.js), for the linkification? (A quick way to test this for one page is to  disable the citation userscript in chrome://extensions and copy the code from the above link into the JS console; Ctrl-Shift-J) The entire block now inserts the citation, however you can click on a preview link and have the preview load inline." CreationDate="2014-03-15T10:08:25.937" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="7113" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, I am very sorry, but I evidently I am not capable of implementing your script properly. Perhaps you can just provide a sample output?" CreationDate="2014-03-16T00:23:43.890" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="7114" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@joel [here](http://i.stack.imgur.com/Qlgk0.png). There's a chance I broke something yesterday (I linked you to the non-stable branch of the code which is not guaranteed to work), I'll have a look in a while. Thanks." CreationDate="2014-03-16T03:55:39.887" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="7115" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth, looks great, if I understand what you are saying." CreationDate="2014-03-16T11:37:59.947" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="7116" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins, I've just added some screenshots, showing how it works and the updated linking style." CreationDate="2014-03-16T13:04:04.410" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7117" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="We need to sort a few things out in the background, but hopefully this is going to be ready soon!" CreationDate="2014-03-16T13:04:25.507" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7118" PostId="1535" Score="1" Text="Fantastic! This is exactly the kind of thing I had had in mind with my suggestion." CreationDate="2014-03-16T13:05:39.760" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="7119" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="So when can we expect a FF script?" CreationDate="2014-03-16T19:37:36.703" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7120" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="Great! Tested in Firefox and GreaseMonkey and seems to work (I needed to allow javascript from herakuapp.com). By the way can you add also [cstheory.se] to the list of the sites that the script works on?" CreationDate="2014-03-17T05:55:20.793" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="7126" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh: Is there anything particular that needs to be done in order to install this on FF+GM?" CreationDate="2014-03-17T10:05:50.223" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7128" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh, the search tool is _very_ experimental at this point. Don't get too excited about using it on other sites yet." CreationDate="2014-03-17T11:26:21.177" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7129" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, no, I just clicked on the link to the script and installed it. @ Scott, OK. :)" CreationDate="2014-03-17T14:45:16.690" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="7197" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="Scott, I've just used the script (on MSE, though) for a live test. It worked out great, but I do have some minor remarks. Should I send you an email, or what?" CreationDate="2014-03-23T20:14:42.023" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7199" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila If you do so, cc it to me, thanks :) (username at gmail)" CreationDate="2014-03-23T21:08:31.070" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="7204" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth: No offense, but I don't think so. I'm trying to minimize the exposure of my email to nonessential personnel. (If I hadn't already emailed with Scott, I wouldn't have suggested email to begin with, and I would have just found some other way instead.)" CreationDate="2014-03-24T01:00:38.780" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7205" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, Manishearth has done all the user interface coding for this feature. I've done all the back-end stuff. Depending on what your remarks about about, cc'ing Manishearth may make good sense." CreationDate="2014-03-24T04:39:02.737" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7206" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="Who did the output formatting? Because my biggest complaint is that it should look like a citation in a paper: author, &quot;title&quot;. journal, volume (year) pages. (My preference is that title and volume are in boldface and journal is italicized, but that's just me). @Manish" CreationDate="2014-03-24T09:03:48.193" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7209" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila you can use a throwaway email :) So, the output formatting was arbitrarily chosen. Ideally Stack Exchange should generate that server side, but that's a long way off. The intention was a proof of concept, but I'll play with the formatting later today." CreationDate="2014-03-24T12:04:39.250" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="7211" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, the output formatting is my doing. Let's take it to email." CreationDate="2014-03-24T22:48:07.100" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7329" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="Scott, @Manishearth, bug report/feedback: the first thing is that it sometimes takes way longer for the page to complete loading. Sometimes when I click on show addition comments link it doesn't work correctly when the userscript is enabled. ps: should we post this kind of feedback as a new answer or a comment?" CreationDate="2014-04-04T01:06:48.387" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="7433" PostId="1535" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh the best place to report issues is [here](https://github.com/Manishearth/SE-CitationHelper/issues), but pinging me here is fine too. (Somehow I missed this). I think Scott's backend is acting strange in this case. I'll try rehosting it this weekend if possible and look into it (no guarantees though, I'm not too familiar with the backend)." CreationDate="2014-04-11T10:14:21.217" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="7437" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="The backend is currently hosted on a free Heroku account. They shut down the instance if it's unused for an hour, after which the first usage incurs a ~20 second startup. It should be easy to host elsewhere; it's packaged as a git repository with a single startup script that sets everything up from scratch." CreationDate="2014-04-12T01:50:15.857" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7438" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="Eventually we might ask SE to host it. In the meantime we just need something that allows you to run a java process and listen for incoming connections on some port. I could run it on an Amazon EC2 instance easily enough, as I already run stuff there. I could probably also run it on http://katlas.org/, a server sitting under Dror Bar-Natan's desk in Toronto." CreationDate="2014-04-12T01:52:45.747" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="8076" PostId="1535" Score="1" Text="@Manishearth This extension no longer works for me in Chrome, since Chrome won't let me enable it, as it is not &quot;from the Chrome store&quot;. Is there any way to get it working again? Can it be made available at the Chrome web store?" CreationDate="2014-06-27T13:51:51.533" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="8077" PostId="1535" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins There are some solutions to the problem [here](http://superuser.com/questions/767286/re-enable-extensions-not-coming-from-chrome-web-store-on-chrome-v35-with-enhan) and [here](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24095006/enable-a-non-playstore-userscript-with-chrome-35-and-above). I shall try to publish this to the play store, maybe as an unlisted app, next week when I'm not travelling so much." CreationDate="2014-06-27T16:21:08.863" UserId="21425" />
  <row Id="8217" PostId="1535" Score="0" Text="I'm working on getting this working 'live' (i.e. for everyone, without an extension), but it's a potentially  long process." CreationDate="2014-07-12T07:02:07.887" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="6995" PostId="1536" Score="6" Text="For approved suggested edits there is already a reward of 2 points (with some global upper limit); covering the improving posts. I rather think that comments are overused so I am against anything that further encourages their use.  There is nothing wrong with giving a sketch of an answer as an &quot;answer&quot; in the technical sense. There is also nothing wrong with editing in (rather then commenting) a link in the orignal post." CreationDate="2014-03-06T15:45:20.697" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="6996" PostId="1536" Score="1" Text="@quid: if people do like that, *a priori* I'm agree, else..." CreationDate="2014-03-06T15:52:09.387" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="21284" PostId="1536" Score="2" Text="This might encourage low quality comments such as jokes (sometimes largely upvoted), polemical comments with lots of supporters etc. Also there's a problem that comments sometimes ought to be deleted even if useful (e.g., an obsolete correction or clarification request etc)." CreationDate="2019-11-15T14:54:35.293" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="7006" PostId="1538" Score="0" Text="Similar task, I saved about 55 screen captures of that guy who was trying to crowdsource a conjecture in matrix theory without attribution. And there was a Dropbox with those, and the shell of a web page to show it all. But nothing ever really came of it. I suppose my advice is that the minimum effort for you is to save a text file with dozens of links; more effort is to save screen captures of ones you like as jpegs in some directory." CreationDate="2014-03-07T05:41:52.333" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7007" PostId="1538" Score="0" Text="As a user with at least 10000 points you have access to moderation tools http://mathoverflow.net/tools where you in particular  have a list of most deleted posts (see delete-tab and recently deleted, you can expand the list a bit but not by too much); self-deleted posts are not listed and possibly there are other exception, too, but most seem there. So monitor that list if you like." CreationDate="2014-03-07T09:48:10.297" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7008" PostId="1538" Score="11" Text="That being said I consider this question as mildly problemetatic: either OP wants to have &quot;fun&quot; in which case it might not be good to encourage or even acknowledge them in any way, or they have some serious problems in which case to make somehow fun of them seems also not really appropriate." CreationDate="2014-03-07T09:49:02.623" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7011" PostId="1538" Score="2" Text="Yeah, I agree with quid in his last comment. If you want my advice, I'd just copy and paste into a personal file you keep for this for your own entertainment (or however you wish to put it) *as soon as you see it*, because rest assured that I routinely delete them as soon as I am aware of them. This and other things, like posts with $\log \pi^\Omega$ in the numerator and whatnot." CreationDate="2014-03-07T11:50:39.597" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7012" PostId="1538" Score="1" Text="Theo, that guy also posts on MSE often enough. I always regret missing those (on MO, anyway (until I gain 1,500 more points, anyway))." CreationDate="2014-03-07T13:52:52.257" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7014" PostId="1538" Score="2" Text="Based on vixra links in one of the latest in this series, the poster is a repeat offender under a different name (see the March 21st entry here http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1296/crank-post-to-flag-as-spam/ ) who IIRC may have made intemperate threats against people on MO for closing his questions. I would agree with the last half of quid's comment (and all of Todd's)" CreationDate="2014-03-07T14:29:13.793" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="7016" PostId="1538" Score="0" Text="@Theo: dear Earthling, I agree that there is a certain comical poetry emanating from those posts..." CreationDate="2014-03-07T19:41:20.913" UserId="450" />
  <row Id="7017" PostId="1538" Score="0" Text="@Quid Re your second comment: that did cross my mind before asking here, although clearly I came to a different conclusion than you did.  Re your first comment: I had forgotten about the moderation tools, and they certainly answer this question.  So I hereby consider this question &quot;answered&quot; — Quid, if you'd like to leave that comment as an answer, I'll accept it.  (In any case, I don't know if I'll actually try to compile anything, but I would probably enjoy it.)" CreationDate="2014-03-07T20:27:51.370" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="7018" PostId="1538" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I certainly hope you do continue to promptly delete the questions.  And I hope my question here didn't indicate otherwise." CreationDate="2014-03-07T20:30:09.187" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="7019" PostId="1538" Score="3" Text="I expanded to an answer. Yes, I see how one can arrive at a different conclusion, too. At least in isolation I do not consider it as a significant problem. Yet, if this would catch on and people would start to compile some &quot;worst of MO&quot; or &quot;strangest of MO&quot; I think it would be unfortunate." CreationDate="2014-03-07T20:58:50.790" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7999" PostId="1538" Score="0" Text="If it is of interest to you, Theo: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/171765/do-not-touch-any-of-them-they-are-ufos-otherwise-earth-will-destroy-everyone" CreationDate="2014-06-13T14:42:10.807" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8024" PostId="1538" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Thanks!  I've been away from MO, and didn't see your comment." CreationDate="2014-06-18T01:15:05.320" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="8227" PostId="1538" Score="0" Text="More poetry here: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/175992/the-ummo-star-is-very-very-demorcracy-i-proved-ufo-i-am-much-higher-above-oth" CreationDate="2014-07-13T03:37:37.490" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9104" PostId="1538" Score="0" Text="Here's some more poetry: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/187622/the-sky-outside-a-sky-is-a-sky-a-person-who-is-much-above-others-is-still-a-per And here: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/187715/his-formula-is-as-long-as-changjiang-his-sentence-is-as-yellow-as-huanghe" CreationDate="2014-11-20T12:52:52.590" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7046" PostId="1540" Score="0" Text="IIRC moderator deleted posts do show up in the list." CreationDate="2014-03-11T01:14:42.563" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="7053" PostId="1540" Score="0" Text="The post linked in OP did not show up, while it would have shown up by its age (then); and, that deletion invloved a moderator, and I would not know another reason it should not have shown up. In addition, posts deleted by a moderator cannot be undeleted by non-moderators. So there would be some logic to not showing thel in the first place." CreationDate="2014-03-11T14:25:23.130" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7055" PostId="1540" Score="0" Text="However it is true that some posts deleted by moderators do show up. Not sure now what happened then so I think you are right." CreationDate="2014-03-11T14:30:43.840" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7023" PostId="1541" Score="3" Text="I'm pretty sure it leads to results more often than is cited in these &quot;success stories&quot;!" CreationDate="2014-03-08T17:48:58.567" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7024" PostId="1541" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I tend to agree. Perhaps there should be a more low profile way to selfreport such things. I mean even if one wanted, one could hesitate to (self-)include ones paper/question/answer in an MO &quot;Best of.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-09T19:17:37.477" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7025" PostId="1541" Score="2" Text="@quid Yes, there have been a few cases when some MO answers of mine have been used by others, but it seems a little grandiose to self-promote these as &quot;success stories&quot;. I expect this is the case with many users." CreationDate="2014-03-09T19:44:13.397" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7020" PostId="1542" Score="1" Text="Thank you! These are very interesting links.&#xA;&#xA;Sooner or later one has to invent some mechanism to make detectability of the interaction between MO and the traditional research more systematic..." CreationDate="2014-03-08T16:09:54.310" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7021" PostId="1542" Score="2" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე: You can find references to MO on the arxiv through this search - http://search.arxiv.org:8081/?query=%22math+overflow%22+OR+mathoverflow&amp;in=grp_math" CreationDate="2014-03-08T16:27:04.290" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7022" PostId="1542" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Thank you, I've found something like this when following one of the above links and discovered several interesting publications :)" CreationDate="2014-03-08T16:29:31.380" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7027" PostId="1543" Score="1" Text="Meanwhile the question has three votes to reoopen. This makes the matter a bit more urgent. Frankly, to reopen the question in its current form would be a bit strange. It is totally trivial to answer as written now. (The original form is IMO borderline.)" CreationDate="2014-03-10T17:06:09.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7035" PostId="1543" Score="1" Text="I think the question should be reverted to its original form. It will make the comments, voting, closure, etc. make more sense." CreationDate="2014-03-10T22:24:12.217" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="7039" PostId="1543" Score="2" Text="I am surely happy with any of your decisions. Thanks for the answer. Apologies for having stimulated such a discussion." CreationDate="2014-03-10T23:17:17.447" UserDisplayName="user3409" />
  <row Id="7043" PostId="1543" Score="0" Text="@SimoneSeverini thank you for the info. Sorry for drawing even more attention to this." CreationDate="2014-03-10T23:46:55.407" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7040" PostId="1544" Score="0" Text="If the readership were exclusively mathematicians to whom cultural referents in language caused no concern, then I would mean something different by &quot;high standards&quot; than I currently do.  I don't consider the original version of the question offensive.  I do consider it an undesirable precedent that could lead to further posts involving (indirect) name calling and other behaviour that may cause offense.  That this forum is mostly devoid of such comes from continual mindfulness.  The strikeout was intended to indicate both the fallibility of members as well as the constant striving to improve." CreationDate="2014-03-10T23:17:35.930" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7041" PostId="1544" Score="0" Text="Regarding your intended replacement title, I personally find it less acceptable than a title that has the strikeout word followed by the replacement word.  If someone else said I was splitting hairs, I would not argue against that." CreationDate="2014-03-10T23:26:06.220" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7042" PostId="1544" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the information. This has nothing to do with splitting hairs IMO. The strike out and remplacement just makes no sense at all. OP simply did **not** search for the quote with 'slum' but with 'scum'. What should this strikeout mean? To claim a search for 'slum' makes the entire thing nonsensical. As an alternative, on Todd Trimble's answer, I proposed complete reformulation that removes 'scum' what about that? Or, if it must be let us write `s...` But *please* it has to be somewhat plausible in the end." CreationDate="2014-03-10T23:42:17.220" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7028" PostId="1545" Score="1" Text="What exactly do you propose? ATM in the &quot;active&quot;  view (to which you link basically) the user displayed is the last to edit (or create) a post in the package of posts (the question or an answer) and it says &quot;modified&quot;. By contrast in the [&quot;new&quot; view](http://mathoverflow.net/questions?sort=newest) it says &quot;asked [OP of question]&quot; Especially, if the modification is that a *new* answer was added do you still propose that OP of *question* is displayed? (Personally I am against any change here, it is useful and natural to see last that *modified* it in a list created on last *modification*.)" CreationDate="2014-03-10T18:00:27.400" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7029" PostId="1545" Score="0" Text="@quid I did not and do not propose any changes to what happens when questions are answered.  I propose only a change to what happens in the active view when questions are edited." CreationDate="2014-03-10T19:02:30.410" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="7030" PostId="1545" Score="0" Text="Sorry it is still not clear to me what you propose exactly. Say, Q asks a question, which is answered by A, so then according to your proposal it would say A when it reappears (as it is now). Now E edits the question (not the answer). Should it then keep saying A (as editing is not significant enough to warrant a change of the displayed name, which would be in spirit of what you propose I think) or change to Q as it is the original poster's name of the post that got edited (which is what you wrote which however feels at odds with your justification of 'relative contributions')." CreationDate="2014-03-10T19:41:43.690" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7033" PostId="1545" Score="1" Text="@quid Point well taken.  You were correct about my intentions and I have edited the proposal accordingly." CreationDate="2014-03-10T20:48:53.720" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="7083" PostId="1545" Score="0" Text="@MattF. Why is this here? Is there any reason to think this couldn't be done now?" CreationDate="2014-03-14T05:26:45.220" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7087" PostId="1545" Score="0" Text="@Francois G. Dorais:  I am not an expert on StackExchange functionality, so this is in the category of fantasy for me.  Perhaps you know better:  how would we do it?" CreationDate="2014-03-14T14:46:48.913" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="7092" PostId="1545" Score="0" Text="@MattF. If you post a question tagged [meta-tag:support] or [meta-tag:feature-request], you will get responses. You won't get much responses by posting here since answers here don't ping MO mods nor SE staff." CreationDate="2014-03-14T19:05:22.550" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7031" PostId="1546" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the reply and sorry for contributing to building a mountain. I can see how your situation is complicated here. But it is really hard to stand to have a question with solid score that is nonsense *as written*. Could it not be edited at least to something that makes some  sense. I don't know like: &quot;I believe to have heard a quote that describes graph theory as part of topology using a quite negative term to do this. I do not remember the details and cannot find it. Does anybody know such a quote and its source?&quot; (Might also be less offensive.)" CreationDate="2014-03-10T19:50:08.207" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7032" PostId="1546" Score="0" Text="(In view of what you wrote I do not want to insist you make the edit, but still wanted to bring up one more idea for a solution. [Sorry for one more comment. I will stop now for a while. Actually should do rather urgently something else...])" CreationDate="2014-03-10T20:14:24.990" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7079" PostId="1547" Score="0" Text="Thanks for making the edit!" CreationDate="2014-03-13T00:36:01.353" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7080" PostId="1547" Score="0" Text="I'm guessing that one problem is language change over time. We still have the phrase &quot;scum of the earth&quot; to denote a useless person, using the early meanings of &quot;layer of algae, dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid,&quot; but there are less acceptable slang meanings." CreationDate="2014-03-13T19:29:00.963" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="18824" PostId="1547" Score="0" Text="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/552008.Scum_of_the_Earth" CreationDate="2019-04-11T06:30:07.700" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="7036" PostId="1548" Score="3" Text="Looking forward to the blog! I will repeat my suggestion to create a webpage for the entity MathOverflow that initially could essentially be just the blog and a link to &quot;here&quot; (I mean the main page). However, I would imagine that as things develop this extraflexibility could be useful." CreationDate="2014-03-10T23:05:17.020" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7037" PostId="1548" Score="1" Text="@quid, this is a nice idea. I wonder if mathoverflow.org is actually used at all (it currently redirects to mathoverflow.net). That would be a natural place for the blog and/or the MathOverflow 'home'-page." CreationDate="2014-03-10T23:07:16.517" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7038" PostId="1548" Score="0" Text="re mathoverflow.org, the same idea crossed my mind and I just checked it is a redirect to .net [Sorry you wrote that anyway; I was in the process of editing my comment to include this refreshed, and was a bit to quick.]" CreationDate="2014-03-10T23:08:07.183" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7044" PostId="1548" Score="0" Text="@quid: I just checked -- there are various free mathoverflow domains -- e.g. mathoverflow.info, mathoverflow.eu, mathoverflow.de, mathoverflow.co, ... ." CreationDate="2014-03-10T23:48:08.147" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="7045" PostId="1548" Score="0" Text="How about having two separate blogs? an independent once for MathOverflow organization and SE one for MO content?" CreationDate="2014-03-11T01:08:20.883" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="7048" PostId="1548" Score="3" Text="what about mathoverflow.net/blog or blog.mathoverflow.net?" CreationDate="2014-03-11T02:57:57.087" UserId="613" />
  <row Id="7049" PostId="1548" Score="1" Text="I'd strongly suggest using Blog Overflow, because that's monitored and administrated by our site reliability engineering team. It seems odd to _not_ get their help for free, and I wouldn't face resistance requesting a blog for MO." CreationDate="2014-03-11T09:30:54.173" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="7050" PostId="1548" Score="0" Text="On a second note, the _one_ obstacle to this would be for me to clearly demonstrate that we wouldn't be launching a blog that would die off shortly after the novelty wore off - so if you support this idea _make some noise about it here_ by voting for the post, commenting, etc. I need a page full of enthusiasm that isn't likely to dwindle to get this done." CreationDate="2014-03-11T09:32:06.497" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="7051" PostId="1548" Score="7" Text="@TimPost: Could you clarify the copyright issue with Blog Overflow? Also whether SE is fine with the idea to use Blog Overflow as the main site for the MathOverflow nonprofit." CreationDate="2014-03-11T10:55:49.023" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7076" PostId="1548" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Blog Overflow I _believe_ is Wordpress multi-user, I'm going to check with Grace Note to get some more details. I _think_ each tenant can set things up like any other blog, but I have to get some details (includes the footer thing too)." CreationDate="2014-03-12T05:14:06.467" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="7157" PostId="1548" Score="0" Text="@TimPost, any word back on this?" CreationDate="2014-03-21T13:15:12.987" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7299" PostId="1548" Score="0" Text="it would be great if ongoing blog content could be introduced/discussed/managed also in [chat] &amp; the active bloggers could be liberal about including diverse stuff compiled/excerpted from there (have been posting various leads there over weeks). also a somewhat similar case/study cautionary tale is the [tcs.se](http://cstheory.blogoverflow.com/) blog which had some initial enthusiasm &amp; great content then disbanded due to lack of support/interest (a pattern also with se beta sites)" CreationDate="2014-04-02T15:28:44.130" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="7736" PostId="1548" Score="0" Text="fyi [math.se] is starting blog also &amp; see [this post](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/13669/42153) re se blogs admin/policy/mgt by community organizer grace note" CreationDate="2014-05-11T14:37:50.687" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="10924" PostId="1548" Score="0" Text="I *just* found out this was started to some extent. Possibly it could make sense to publicize this a bit. (BTW, Anton's name is incorrectly spelled Gerashenko (missing &quot;c&quot;) in the [about there](http://mathoverflow.org/about/).)" CreationDate="2015-08-01T15:05:03.050" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10931" PostId="1548" Score="1" Text="@quid, thanks for the spelling correction. Progress on blog-worthy activities happens incredibly slowly... We're working in it." CreationDate="2015-08-02T23:07:37.140" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="21057" PostId="1548" Score="0" Text="I think that the idea of a blog is a very good idea. I don't know if it has activity or the blog did not start. I got this idea this afternoon when I've known from the encyclopedia Wikipedia the awards earned by an user of the site: it is incredible. From this I thought it would be good to have a blog in which mathematical content (and not limited to the MathOverflow content/posts) was published by top mathematicians or users with great activity (I understand mainly professional mathematicians and members of MathOverflow for many years or invited professors to the blog)." CreationDate="2019-09-18T23:25:12.067" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="7047" PostId="1550" Score="5" Text="It's also more work to setup and maintain. One of the big advantages of using the SE blog is that it will automatically produce links in the box in the right column on MathOverflow. I like the idea that posts about institutional issues don't just vanish, and those links would be a good start." CreationDate="2014-03-11T02:29:19.023" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7155" PostId="1550" Score="0" Text="Anything stopping you doing both?" CreationDate="2014-03-20T20:00:14.880" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="7070" PostId="1551" Score="6" Text="What does a &quot;+1&quot; here mean -- is it &quot;yes, if I find time, it would be nice to look once in a while whether someone posts something interesting there&quot; or rather &quot;yes, I will certainly be a regular active contributor&quot;? -- I think if the purpose of this poll is to figure out whether there is sufficient interest in such blog, this makes a notable difference -- doesn't it?" CreationDate="2014-03-11T22:03:39.390" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="7056" PostId="1552" Score="3" Text="I know selfdeletions do not show up in deleted list, which howver seems extremely unlikely as reason in this case (one cannot selfdelete closed questions). I thought moderator deleted posts do not show up either but after double checking this seems different (or at least less clear regarding conditions). So I too would be quite curious regarding this (in general)." CreationDate="2014-03-11T14:37:00.113" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7057" PostId="1552" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, I cannot find the link to the question. Nevertheless, I think the question asked for a solution to $f(\alpha t)f(\beta t) = f(t)$." CreationDate="2014-03-11T15:15:03.893" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="7058" PostId="1552" Score="0" Text="Ricardo:  yes, that is what I meant --- $f(\alpha t)f(\beta t)$ is a constant independent of $\alpha,\beta$ (but not independent of $t$).  On the other hand, the OP seemed to be quite reluctant to reveal his true intent." CreationDate="2014-03-11T15:24:45.227" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="7063" PostId="1552" Score="2" Text="Downvoted questions disappear from some lists.  Are you sure it is deleted?  Gerhard &quot;Ask Me About System Design&quot; Paseman, 2014.03.11" CreationDate="2014-03-11T17:38:17.513" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="7069" PostId="1552" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman yes, but it should not disappear from recently closed (or reopened) in moderation tools due to score. (I did not check myself if it is there, but this is what Steven Landsburg said he did check.)" CreationDate="2014-03-11T20:20:32.023" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7077" PostId="1552" Score="0" Text="It turns out the restriction I claimed (no direct selfdeletion of closed questions) was dropped at somme point; sorry for not being up to date. Yet, it was in place on the old MO, see also http://meta.stackoverflow.com/revisions/5222/2 (to be clear the link is to obsolete documentation, it is only to document that it was like I claimed earlier)" CreationDate="2014-03-12T09:45:39.933" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7073" PostId="1555" Score="0" Text="It doesn't seem to be on the list of self-deleted posts I can see." CreationDate="2014-03-11T23:57:57.530" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7075" PostId="1555" Score="4" Text="Yeah, looks like that list has other arbitrary restrictions - no posts deleted within a day of being created." CreationDate="2014-03-12T00:17:45.967" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="7078" PostId="1555" Score="0" Text="How very odd that the OP preferred self-deleting over adding a few words of clarification." CreationDate="2014-03-12T23:11:58.540" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="7081" PostId="1555" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg, see http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1187/extending-from-a-plane-in-r3-again-and-again-and-again for a large scale version of this." CreationDate="2014-03-13T19:36:02.373" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7085" PostId="1557" Score="11" Text="Only somewhat facetiously, weighing votes in such a way might misleadingly suggest we were trying to make 'reputation' match some other quantity more perfectly, when it already perfectly reflects the stated rules for calculating 'reputation'." CreationDate="2014-03-14T13:32:38.997" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7086" PostId="1557" Score="15" Text="My advice: if you think &quot;reputation&quot; as now computed is not useful, then ignore it." CreationDate="2014-03-14T14:14:59.287" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="7088" PostId="1557" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison You may understand my question precisely as asking whether the quantity measured by votes in the current way matches the word 'reputation' well enough." CreationDate="2014-03-14T18:32:35.040" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7089" PostId="1557" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar I like the idea itself very much and I think measuring reputation is very useful, I am just asking whether everybody agrees that what is currently measured is really reputation or closer to something else like luck or ability to make impression." CreationDate="2014-03-14T18:35:16.890" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7091" PostId="1557" Score="0" Text="Let me add that if it is indeed the case that what is measured here is not exactly reputation but something else, then calling it reputation can be not just misleading but also harmful, I believe." CreationDate="2014-03-14T19:04:00.290" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7094" PostId="1557" Score="5" Text="While I would prefer a word other than reputation such as contribution to make this clearer, I would still insists on &quot;reputation&quot; of course meaning reputation as a *user of this site*. One can also get points (not too many and not too easily but still) by things that have nothing whatsoever to do with math in a strict sense via making successfull suggestions for edits. Conversely if I would start to post advertisments on the site I might get spam flags that kick in which would make me loose reputation. And rightly so as &quot;a citizen of this site&quot; but unrelated to my math competence." CreationDate="2014-03-14T19:40:42.433" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7095" PostId="1557" Score="15" Text="I think it's very important we don't try to make MO 'reputation' reflect any kind of real world reputation. MO 'reputation' is the running total of a system of awarding points designed with the goal of encouraging good contributions to the site. I'm happy to think about that goal, as long as everyone realizes that's not really what the word reputation is meant to mean." CreationDate="2014-03-14T23:05:15.537" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7097" PostId="1557" Score="1" Text="@quid I certainly did not mean restricting the meaning of reputation to mathematical abilities, and I find measuring them by any kind of numbers impossible. Nice edits improving readability are also relevant here and are rightly included as appropriate part of local reputation. As all of those who commented here I am talking about reputation relevant to MO only. I just want to say that (a) things like luck or ability to impress are **not** relevant and should be ruled out; (b) after improving it this way, local reputation would be more commonly recognized and so trusted to have higher weight." CreationDate="2014-03-15T08:26:58.943" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7098" PostId="1557" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison Well MO is part of the real world anyway, right? :) And this reputation is indeed reputation in this part of the real world. And I think that currently it encourages contributions which can impress the majority, which does not necessarily imply that they are good. One of the things local reputation should be about is the ability to judge which contributions are really good and not just superficially likable by majority." CreationDate="2014-03-15T08:32:13.403" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7099" PostId="1557" Score="1" Text="And as I said there is the opposite side - the case of contributions which might be good but relatively technical/specialized and because of that get few votes since only relatively advanced users realize that they are interesting." CreationDate="2014-03-15T09:30:38.710" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7102" PostId="1557" Score="3" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე in some way I agree quite a bit that in numerous ways the way these points are computed is not optimal. Here and also on Stack Overflow (its meta) they have numerous discussion like this, see things like for a 'historical' example http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9731/fastest-gun-in-the-west-problem but this got discussed over and over. Just to me starting to tweak it feels like opening a can of worms. In the end some will be a bit happier but likely more a bit unhappier, not because it will be worse but mainly as many do not like changes for such things." CreationDate="2014-03-15T10:26:40.553" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7104" PostId="1557" Score="0" Text="@quid Very interesting link! If you are willing to turn this comment into an answer I will gladly contribute to raising your reputation :)" CreationDate="2014-03-15T10:41:58.127" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7105" PostId="1557" Score="0" Text="One more thing. I cannot speak in the name of others (neither here nor anywhere else), but speaking of me I think it is good to try to prefer improving myself over making myself happier." CreationDate="2014-03-15T11:04:13.457" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7109" PostId="1557" Score="5" Text="This previous  meta question also covers related ground: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/697" CreationDate="2014-03-15T13:43:24.643" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="7110" PostId="1557" Score="5" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I expanded to an answer. Not that this is very important, but note: on meta.MO there is no reputation there is  *participation* (computed in a quite different way, namely number of posts, comments, edits, votes *cast* [not received!] over a moving window of I think 6 weeks)." CreationDate="2014-03-15T14:18:40.150" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7124" PostId="1562" Score="2" Text="I think this is similar to what they do with paper citations where the ordinary PageRank does not work well. There is a TimedPageRank where you exponentially decay older links according to their edge. Obviously it is quite expensive computationally to do it from scratch but the good news is that there are incremental algorithms. One potential problem is that old users have probably already voted for old answer and cannot recast votes on old answers which is quite different from citations and web links, i.e. decaying might give too much influence to new users in determining what is top answers." CreationDate="2014-03-17T06:47:08.240" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="7125" PostId="1562" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much! You have formulated very accurately lots of important aspects around my question which I would never dream of!" CreationDate="2014-03-17T08:15:37.703" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7215" PostId="1562" Score="3" Text="This is really a great answer." CreationDate="2014-03-25T03:46:35.910" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="10092" PostId="1562" Score="2" Text="&quot;and it would still be wildly inaccurate and prone to abuse.&quot; An important note. When you complicate a system, you will always increase its &quot;gameability&quot;" CreationDate="2015-03-17T10:37:22.070" UserId="6494" />
  <row Id="7127" PostId="1563" Score="0" Text="It would be continuously creepy if there isn't a first time that this happened, but it never happened before 2014. Also quantum creepy." CreationDate="2014-03-17T10:27:29.837" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7130" PostId="1563" Score="2" Text="Some people on MathOverflow and Math.StackExchange want to prevent multiple identical posts on those two sites, and discourage simultaneous cross-posting. As described by Willie Wong in the question, that was partly the motivation for this failed migration. In fact, I also voted to migrate the question for the same reason. The check for duplicate content which you describe specifically prevented the intended migration. Do you have any comments or suggestions?" CreationDate="2014-03-17T15:38:55.070" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="7335" PostId="1563" Score="0" Text="I believe there was another case of a failed migration due to there already being a duplicate at the target site: the question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/162427/accelerating-em-algorithm is a duplicate of http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/92281/… (even though the titles are different) and appears to have failed to migrate to stats.stackexchange.com upon its closure." CreationDate="2014-04-04T17:34:05.233" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="7133" PostId="1564" Score="2" Text="Note brief discussion of this suggestion at the deleted answer at http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1053/big-list-of-feature-requests-and-suggestions-for-a-fantasy-mo-3-0" CreationDate="2014-03-17T23:54:02.587" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="7153" PostId="1564" Score="2" Text="This uses something called [MathWebSearch](http://trac.mathweb.org/MWS), which seems to be an experimental project. Perhaps someone should ask them if they'd be interested in ingesting the MathOverflow corpus." CreationDate="2014-03-20T11:34:50.877" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13784" PostId="1564" Score="0" Text="Related: [Is there any third party search engine for MathOverflow?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3082)" CreationDate="2017-01-04T16:58:52.040" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7134" PostId="1565" Score="16" Text="There is a vague plan of a general redesign of the site AFAIK. Personally, I quite like the aspect you find annoying, though." CreationDate="2014-03-18T19:34:46.383" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7141" PostId="1565" Score="3" Text="I, for one, have no problems with *that* choice of colors. I might even say that I like it. It offers good contrast, and is easily discernible. But I wouldn't mind if it was changed (as long it isn't something which causes problems)." CreationDate="2014-03-19T01:43:41.050" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7160" PostId="1565" Score="2" Text="I also find annoying that questions with an accepted answer are displayed with the same color (dark green) used for questions with answers, but none of them accepted  (light green). [cstheory.stackexchange.com](http://cstheory.stackexchange.com) is more clear." CreationDate="2014-03-21T16:01:06.787" UserId="35419" />
  <row Id="7165" PostId="1565" Score="2" Text="@MarzioDeBiasi I would say if it is more clear depends on what one wants to stress. The stress here is on distiguishing between question without and answer and questions with an answer, and I think this site does (there might be exceptions if the colors red/green are difficult to distibguish) a better job at *this* then the one you mention (where the stress seems to be on distinguishing accpept or not, which is not that relevant, IMO)." CreationDate="2014-03-22T13:29:47.910" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7167" PostId="1565" Score="1" Text="I like $\color{magenta}{\mbox{magenta}}$" CreationDate="2014-03-22T21:30:10.407" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7168" PostId="1565" Score="0" Text="@WillJagy my eyes are already tired after too much work and SE, and now that! Really, it *hurts.* Well it is not that bad but still. :-)" CreationDate="2014-03-22T21:59:48.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7170" PostId="1565" Score="0" Text="@quid, I don't think the word fuchsia works. I do sometimes put color in answers. There is a list of color commands somewhere. I believe one version is six hexadecimal digits, as the #ffffff in the answer CSS code below. Don't actually know what CSS is. They have a really pale blue that might be easier on the eyes than the green they use. Or a paler green." CreationDate="2014-03-22T23:15:52.080" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7171" PostId="1565" Score="0" Text="@WillJagy oh fuchsia again, I still remember some discussion you had on that in chat. Perhaps we could do some really fancy color theme for MO once.  It was suggested on some occassion we need more gold  on this site. So we might have it in fuchsia and gold. :-)" CreationDate="2014-03-23T00:04:24.787" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7172" PostId="1565" Score="0" Text="@quid, I like it. I believe it turned out that there was a Fuchs for Fuchsian groups and a Fuchs for the flower Fuchsia and the color of that, not things I had known. I was also surprised to learn that there was a Hesse for whom the Hessian matrix was named. Live and learn..." CreationDate="2014-03-23T00:08:42.350" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7173" PostId="1565" Score="0" Text="@WillJagy and presumably it another Hesse that the one that wrote Steppenwolf. I guess we should stop now not to annoy Almo with all the notifications. I would be in chat though; not that that room freezes again." CreationDate="2014-03-23T00:25:31.693" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7147" PostId="1567" Score="5" Text="This is not what happened here, but for completeness: another reason why an upvote might not give points is that one can gain at most 200 points from votes and edits per (calendar) day [points from accepts and bounties are neither included nor restricted]. If one reached that limit already further upvotes that day do not contribute points." CreationDate="2014-03-19T13:05:43.680" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7148" PostId="1567" Score="3" Text="Also, upvotes (and downvotes) on questions and answers in meta don't affect your reputation." CreationDate="2014-03-19T13:59:54.660" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="7149" PostId="1569" Score="0" Text="It all depends on what the question is. Why don't you link to it?" CreationDate="2014-03-19T16:53:44.257" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7150" PostId="1569" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble added." CreationDate="2014-03-19T17:03:30.950" UserId="36720" />
  <row Id="7151" PostId="1569" Score="0" Text="Does $\Gamma_I(M)$ mean $H_I^0(M)$? If not, the notation should probably be explained." CreationDate="2014-03-19T21:37:18.657" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7152" PostId="1569" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble yes, it does." CreationDate="2014-03-20T01:02:01.463" UserId="36720" />
  <row Id="7156" PostId="1569" Score="6" Text="If you post it here, be sure to indicate both here and there that the question has been posted in both sites (add links); if you get an answer in one, you should also indicate this fact in the other site (to prevent duplication of efforts)." CreationDate="2014-03-21T03:46:02.097" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="7154" PostId="1570" Score="10" Text="I would say: wait a week from posting in one before posting in the other." CreationDate="2014-03-20T13:45:26.197" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="7158" PostId="1572" Score="2" Text="Is it possible to change the copyright notice at the bottom of each page? The current wording &quot;Stack Exchange © 2014 Entries (RSS) and Comments (RSS)&quot; suggests that authors relinquish their copyrights to SE, which isn't the usual SE policy." CreationDate="2014-03-21T14:40:40.977" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7159" PostId="1572" Score="0" Text="I'll get that looked at." CreationDate="2014-03-21T15:39:49.463" UserId="35425" />
  <row Id="7161" PostId="1572" Score="0" Text="Shouldn't the blogs simply get the same notice as the main sites, all creative Commons?" CreationDate="2014-03-21T19:06:14.410" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="7162" PostId="1572" Score="0" Text="Theme customizations aren't so important to us, I think." CreationDate="2014-03-21T23:31:20.177" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7163" PostId="1572" Score="0" Text="Well, customizing the footer text is _technically_ a theme customization (at least I think it is), just due to the file you have to edit in order to change it. I know you're not so worried about aesthetics and colors and such." CreationDate="2014-03-22T04:59:14.013" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="7164" PostId="1572" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais - I'll be in touch early this week to get some details and see what we can get in place for you. It's a _really_ nice idea." CreationDate="2014-03-22T05:02:04.747" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="7286" PostId="1572" Score="0" Text="@TimPost, ping. :-)" CreationDate="2014-03-31T03:09:06.167" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7289" PostId="1572" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison Grace is checking into it, hope to have an update of sorts this week." CreationDate="2014-03-31T06:39:06.760" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="7542" PostId="1572" Score="0" Text="@TimPost, pong. :-)" CreationDate="2014-04-20T22:36:21.013" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7166" PostId="1573" Score="2" Text="+1 though I think it's seriously a better idea to use jquery, than pure java script. It's an even better idea to just install stylish so that one just needs to code the CSS." CreationDate="2014-03-22T14:35:28.443" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="7169" PostId="1573" Score="1" Text="http://needsmorejquery.com/" CreationDate="2014-03-22T22:19:54.400" UserId="48429" />
  <row Id="7243" PostId="1573" Score="0" Text="Oops, I didn't know that was an MSO meme, I meant it genuinely." CreationDate="2014-03-27T15:36:01.430" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="7244" PostId="1573" Score="0" Text="@Almo The question has no author?" CreationDate="2014-03-27T15:38:37.413" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="7245" PostId="1573" Score="0" Text="@Dimensio1n0 The choice of language is, of course, personal and subject to optimization; this answer is presented as a proof of existence. In other words, you're welcome to edit in a jquery version of the code, or lay off a bit." CreationDate="2014-03-27T15:41:12.657" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="7246" PostId="1573" Score="0" Text="Just for clarity, I only posted the needs more jquery link because it's really funny, and intended no insult to anyone. :)" CreationDate="2014-03-27T15:43:15.850" UserId="48429" />
  <row Id="7174" PostId="1574" Score="1" Text="I am baffled by the votes to close.  How is this question inappropriate for meta?" CreationDate="2014-03-23T00:28:52.577" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="7175" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey I bet one or both of the two people who voted to close this question are among the people who voted to close the question in the main." CreationDate="2014-03-23T01:14:40.737" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7176" PostId="1574" Score="14" Text="@EricWofsey : I voted to close because of the *many* previous meta threads about related matters that the OP has started.  They seem to always end badly." CreationDate="2014-03-23T02:16:24.840" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="7178" PostId="1574" Score="5" Text="By the way, another reason for closing the question is that we do not allow cross-posting between math.se and MO unless a question has gone unanswered on math.se for a significant length of time (e.g. a couple of weeks)." CreationDate="2014-03-23T03:04:05.847" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="7190" PostId="1574" Score="7" Text="@AndyPutman re your last comment. This is an overstatement in my opinion. (This is a general remark; I do not wish to defend the question.)" CreationDate="2014-03-23T15:20:18.317" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7202" PostId="1574" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman [*I voted to close because of the many previous meta threads about related matters that the OP has started. They seem to always end badly.*]&#xA;Are you saying that my meta question should be closed automatically whatever it is in this site?" CreationDate="2014-03-23T22:56:21.343" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7220" PostId="1574" Score="6" Text="Wow, I should really visit math overflow more often. The same user has posted at least six similar &quot;Why is my question closed?&quot; in math.stackexchange.meta . Despite requests to refrain from doing this so much, it looks like it goes on." CreationDate="2014-03-25T17:28:06.847" UserId="19965" />
  <row Id="7221" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="@rschwieb Asking the reason for the closure of a main thread in the meta is perfectly legitimate. I have no idea why some people object to it." CreationDate="2014-03-25T18:08:24.497" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7223" PostId="1574" Score="10" Text="@Makoto: Asking to try one piece of candy, to make sure you'll like it is not a problem. To just sit in the store and ask for more and more candy will get you kicked out. Stop insisting that whatever is fine &quot;once&quot; is fine &quot;repeatedly, incessantly, and without self control&quot;." CreationDate="2014-03-25T19:05:09.490" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7224" PostId="1574" Score="2" Text="@MakotoKato For the third time, nobody is claiming a question like this is illegitimate. Rather, this is about repeatedly ignoring community requests to stop doing it so frequently. Please note the difference." CreationDate="2014-03-25T20:12:10.703" UserId="19965" />
  <row Id="7225" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="@rschwieb If you think it's legitimate, why do you request me to stop it?" CreationDate="2014-03-25T20:23:54.537" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7226" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="@MakotoKato You are still confusing two things. I do not think repeatedly ignoring the community's advice about the frequency of such posts is legitimate." CreationDate="2014-03-25T20:24:25.197" UserId="19965" />
  <row Id="7230" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="@rschwieb Why does the frequency matter if each one is legitimate?" CreationDate="2014-03-25T21:12:59.977" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7232" PostId="1574" Score="9" Text="&quot;*Why does the frequency matter if each one is legitimate?*&quot; **ARE YOU SERIOUS**? I used to give you at least *some* benefit of the doubt that you're not intentionally obtuse. I'm very happy to announce that I will not make this mistake ever again, you troll you." CreationDate="2014-03-25T21:28:20.700" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7259" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I have no idea why you think that a *meta* question asking for the reason of the closure of a main thread is a troll.&#xA;If the main thread *clearly* deserves the closure, it may be a troll.&#xA;But it is not the case at all." CreationDate="2014-03-28T03:45:05.937" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7263" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="I have no idea why you think it is the meta post which causes me to call you a troll; and your opinion is that the thread on main shouldn't be closed, but you are obviously biased." CreationDate="2014-03-28T11:26:27.467" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7265" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila [*I have no idea why you think it is the meta post which causes me to call you a troll;*]&#xA;What makes you to call me a troll?&#xA;&#xA;[*and your opinion is that the thread on main shouldn't be closed, but you are obviously biased.*]&#xA;Could you tell me why you think otherwise?" CreationDate="2014-03-28T15:15:12.200" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7267" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="I don't have an opinion about your question on the main site. I'm just remarking that you're obviously biased, and so you are obviously prone to think that your question is a good question." CreationDate="2014-03-28T15:21:28.027" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7268" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila [*and so you are obviously prone to think that your question is a good question.*]&#xA;This is irrelevant to this thread.&#xA;I'm not claiming my question is a good one.&#xA;I'm claiming my question should not be closed." CreationDate="2014-03-28T15:47:46.153" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7269" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="No, you also claimed that it is not the case that the question was bad. &quot;*If the main thread clearly deserves the closure, it may be a troll. But it is not the case at all.*&quot;, that was your claim, not mine." CreationDate="2014-03-28T15:49:00.177" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7270" PostId="1574" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Maybe this is a language barrier.&#xA;I mean by &quot;a good question&quot; a question which is mathematically interesting. Whether it is mathematically interesting is largely subjective.&#xA;And claiming it here is off-topic." CreationDate="2014-03-28T15:57:45.833" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7177" PostId="1575" Score="17" Text="I look forward to seeing this answer accepted! :-)" CreationDate="2014-03-23T02:59:21.100" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7180" PostId="1575" Score="14" Text="I think a trouble is that no one has any clear idea what sort of answer would satisfy you. I have noticed that many of the threads you introduce have this character, where people offer various answers that are sensible but which are invariably rejected for one reason or another. This is frustrating and tends to erode the feeling that questions are being asked in good faith. Hence the reason for closure: &quot;unclear what is being asked&quot;." CreationDate="2014-03-23T04:59:08.457" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7182" PostId="1575" Score="0" Text="I accepted Moret-Bailly's example." CreationDate="2014-03-23T09:04:44.097" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7183" PostId="1575" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble [*I think a trouble is that no one has any clear idea what sort of answer would satisfy you.*}&#xA;I'm asking examples of closed irreducible subschemes of a complete non-projective non-singular variety whose underlying subspace is $Z$, other than $Z_n$.&#xA;What's so difficult to understand this?&#xA;I also said the more examples, the better, which means that I'm asking a big list of examples.&#xA;Asking a big list of examples is not allowed here?" CreationDate="2014-03-23T09:05:05.063" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7184" PostId="1575" Score="13" Text="You rejected abx's answer which mentioned infinitely many examples because they are &quot;essentially one&quot;. You then told abx that he/she obviously didn't understand the question. That word &quot;essentially&quot; doesn't make the intended question any easier to understand; one has to guess what you consider &quot;essentially different&quot;, and also how many &quot;essentially different&quot; examples are required to satisfy you. Two? Three? More than ten? (To your rhetorical question: &quot;big list&quot; questions are allowed, but they work best when the recipient is happy to hear the answers and gives thanks instead of objections.)" CreationDate="2014-03-23T12:37:05.910" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7193" PostId="1575" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble If I don't misunderstand his answer, his curve is reduced.&#xA;So it does not satisfy the condition of the question." CreationDate="2014-03-23T16:58:06.733" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7229" PostId="1575" Score="0" Text="Since people continue to upvote this answer, I repeat I ACCEPTED Moret-Bailly's example." CreationDate="2014-03-25T20:56:16.717" UserId="37646" />
  <row Id="7185" PostId="1576" Score="4" Text="Right: the number of comment upvotes is the most important factor that determines which comments float to the top, followed by chronology." CreationDate="2014-03-23T13:37:09.443" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7186" PostId="1576" Score="2" Text="So why doesn't chronology come first? An innocent question in a comment can get a very useful (thus upvoted) reply." CreationDate="2014-03-23T14:22:26.400" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="7188" PostId="1576" Score="0" Text="and nobody can decide otherwise?" CreationDate="2014-03-23T14:28:37.103" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="7191" PostId="1576" Score="2" Text="So, what is your request? To *always* show the first N comments; or something else? (If you ask a [meta-tag:feature-request] please make a precise suggestion. If you want to discuss something start a [meta-tag:discussion] or if you want to know how something works a [meta-tag:support] request.)" CreationDate="2014-03-23T15:33:18.810" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7194" PostId="1576" Score="0" Text="There is an old history behind this feature. The last paragraph of [this old blog post](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/04/comments-now-with-flags-and-votes/) where comment voting was introduced explains the origin." CreationDate="2014-03-23T18:58:29.920" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7200" PostId="1576" Score="1" Text="@Todd: no, I don't want to argue at all. Well, I was sort of obliged to choose the &quot;feature request&quot; tag as one of the main tags. (If the &quot;discussion&quot; tag is a main tag, too, feel free to change it!) Otherwise, I'll put it like that: I would like to request either to always show the first N comments (whatever N is...), or to have a choice to do so somewhere in the personal settings, or to hide the *latest* ones instead of the *least voted* ones." CreationDate="2014-03-23T21:12:06.067" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="7201" PostId="1576" Score="0" Text="A question on meta must have (at least) one of the four tags: [meta-tag:bug], [meta-tag:discussion], [meta-tag:feature-request], [meta-tag:support] When in doubt use discussion or support. I retagged." CreationDate="2014-03-23T21:40:22.273" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7214" PostId="1576" Score="7" Text="I have often found myself wishing the &quot;show all comments&quot; button was displayed *above* the comment list so that I would not start reading the thread only to discover at the end that I missed some stuff in the middle." CreationDate="2014-03-25T02:47:44.650" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="7203" PostId="1577" Score="3" Text="Do we have a page that collects all these handy little scripts/addons that people may wish to use? Or perhaps a CW meta question where they can be gathered and to which one can refer from a general help/faq on usage page?" CreationDate="2014-03-24T00:01:29.587" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="7207" PostId="1577" Score="5" Text="@Scott: Do you mean there is no way to change this behaviour through the current interface *for the user*, or is the idea that all stackexchange sites are supposed to display things the same (or similar) way, and thus it is not feasible to change the display for all of them?  There might be another possibility though, more user-friendly, which is used by some websites: Instead of the line at the end, there could be a clickable line *before* the comments saying something like **&quot;Some comments are hidden. Click to show all 17 comments&quot;**." CreationDate="2014-03-24T10:18:01.150" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="7208" PostId="1577" Score="3" Text="@Wolfgang In some sense I think he meant to convey both. There is no option for costumization for each user. *And* it is unlikely to be added or changed since SE is all but keen on promoting comments. Your last proposal however might be more feasible; having it before and not after. [One more procedural note: if now at the end of this [meta-tag:discussion] there should be some concensus that this would be a good idea, then you could post a [meta-tag:feature-request] asking for this particular change.]" CreationDate="2014-03-24T11:53:53.600" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7210" PostId="1577" Score="1" Text="@Wolfgang, I only intended to answer that the current user interface doesn't provide what you're looking for. Thus making this possible (without bookmarklets or user scripts --- did you try mine?) requires a feature-request that is taken up by the SE programmers. My expectation is that feature-requests which are not somehow specific to the professional mathematics community are unlikely to receive high priority, because SE would consider them as feature-requests for the entire SE platform." CreationDate="2014-03-24T22:43:09.043" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7216" PostId="1578" Score="0" Text="This is the sort of suggestion that should be done at the level of all SE." CreationDate="2014-03-25T13:55:49.627" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="7222" PostId="1578" Score="3" Text="@GeraldEdgar while one could post this to meta.SO it is my understanding that sites' metas are also and appropriate place for such general suggestions. For example see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/192/minor-edits-subject-to-review" CreationDate="2014-03-25T18:17:32.357" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7266" PostId="1578" Score="3" Text="We're working on comment visibility _in general_, since it's not optimal, however this is an interesting idea. I'm going to pass it along to the folks that are looking into ways to improve the comment system. If implemented, though, it would be part of a larger change - I just want to let you know we saw this." CreationDate="2014-03-28T15:20:51.037" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="7272" PostId="1578" Score="0" Text="@TimPost thank you folks! Good to know." CreationDate="2014-03-28T16:07:27.030" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="7212" PostId="1579" Score="0" Text="Congratulations!" CreationDate="2014-03-25T01:00:54.003" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7213" PostId="1579" Score="4" Text="(I'm not sure a tag is needed for this, by the way.)" CreationDate="2014-03-25T02:17:48.210" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7217" PostId="1579" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila what about that one [meta-tag:math-stackexchange] and its synonym even [meta-tag:math-se] ;-)" CreationDate="2014-03-25T16:34:24.210" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7218" PostId="1579" Score="0" Text="@quid: If the website's interaction with MO is expected to generate more than a handful of meta threads, sure. But is it the case here?" CreationDate="2014-03-25T16:35:33.127" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7219" PostId="1579" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila if it should survive at all I do not see why it would not (at least if 8 is more than a handful); the idea is another site for professional mathematicians. In some sense its target audience is closer to MO's than that of math.SE is. As Bohr said, it is difficult to make predictions, especially if they concern the future. and the tag is gone...so let us see." CreationDate="2014-03-25T16:48:37.950" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7233" PostId="1582" Score="1" Text="I doubt this can ever work with a blog. But there is an SE site for math education now http://matheducators.stackexchange.com and there is a somewhat progressed proposal for one on History of Science and Mathematics http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/65204/history-of-science-and-mathematics" CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:08:25.787" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7234" PostId="1582" Score="0" Text="In the meantime the educational and similar general questions are among the most popular on MO by far." CreationDate="2014-03-26T23:57:53.110" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="7235" PostId="1582" Score="0" Text="I don't like the idea of anything being 'relegated' to the blog." CreationDate="2014-03-27T00:36:29.980" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7237" PostId="1582" Score="0" Text="@quid, these days a blog may mean most everything." CreationDate="2014-03-27T03:18:22.090" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="7238" PostId="1582" Score="0" Text="Homeworks are relegated to educational and similar sites. I still like your, @Scott, sentiment. Here is a better phrase: *Let MO blog be a haven for general mathematical questions*." CreationDate="2014-03-27T04:09:14.530" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="7239" PostId="1582" Score="0" Text="&quot;A blog&quot; might mean most everything, still as far as I understood this question supposes a somewhat traditional meaning. What is a &quot;general mathematical question&quot;? (To avoid any confusion, homework is certainly not the point of the site I mentioned; it is not for  mathematics question that are educational but for question about teaching mathematics, like course design and so on.)" CreationDate="2014-03-27T08:00:33.507" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7240" PostId="1582" Score="0" Text="Would a traditional or a modern blog be better?" CreationDate="2014-03-27T12:36:25.293" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="7248" PostId="1583" Score="2" Text="If the intent is to vent/object, consider it noted.  If the intent is to raise an issue for consideration, I suggest changing to a more neutral tone, especially the last paragraph.  Otherwise readers are likely to &quot; get you wrong &quot;." CreationDate="2014-03-27T19:45:14.130" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7249" PostId="1583" Score="3" Text="Just a few points. (1) I think a clearer discussion might be had if you provide a few examples. (2) With regard to the question of whether &quot;MO is neutral&quot;, the way I see it, there is no definite entity called MO to which one could apply the word &quot;neutral&quot;; it's spread across many, many users, who make their own individual decisions. (3) If there is ever a question as to whether a question is treated unfairly, then meta is always a good place to raise it. Do you know about this thread? http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-votes" CreationDate="2014-03-27T19:45:44.847" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7250" PostId="1583" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble:  Isn't it possible to argue that an aggregate entity is not neutral?  Sociologists and politicians do this all the time.  Thank you for the link.  As mentioned, though, I don't have a particular beef with any closed questions.  It's the off-topic ones asked by hot-shots that I wonder why they survive.  I interpret the role of MO rather strictly." CreationDate="2014-03-27T19:59:49.693" UserId="45255" />
  <row Id="7251" PostId="1583" Score="1" Text="@MaskedAvenger:  If I am honest, I think the goal is to vent/object.  Todd's comment is accurate: I am a fool to ask that MO &quot;change&quot; somehow.  Individuals will continue to take their own actions.  You're right about the neutral tone, though.  I did my best." CreationDate="2014-03-27T20:02:10.010" UserId="45255" />
  <row Id="7252" PostId="1583" Score="2" Text="I think &quot;neutrality&quot; is a pretty problematical concept here, despite what sociologists and politicians do. I'm pretty sure I don't care to defend something I don't put much stock in! But maybe I can get the ball rolling in an &quot;answer&quot; that gives one example that you might adduce for your position; there was some debate about it at the time. More examples can be added." CreationDate="2014-03-27T20:07:30.313" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7254" PostId="1583" Score="5" Text="I'm looking at your second example. I don't think it really supports the claim: the OP was very new to the site (and hadn't acquired a lot of MO rep) when the question was raised, and the question still got a warm welcome. (The closure reason &quot;no longer relevant&quot; is no longer one of the recognized stock reasons for closure, but was applied on MO.1 when a question had outlived its usefulness, e.g., when it had begun attracting crap answers.)" CreationDate="2014-03-27T20:50:00.537" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7255" PostId="1583" Score="0" Text="Fair enough.  It is not an example of reputation helping a question survive.  I still sense inconsistency between the questions' treatment.  Note, too, that high-reputation answers can &quot;protect&quot; an otherwise vulnerable question." CreationDate="2014-03-27T20:55:18.553" UserId="45255" />
  <row Id="7256" PostId="1583" Score="4" Text="The assertion that refereeing is not specific to mathematics is in my opinion false. The *way* refereeing is done in mathematics is very different to the way it is done in other scientific disciplines (perhaps not all other disciplines, but I think math is rather an exception than a rule here)." CreationDate="2014-03-27T21:31:16.870" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7257" PostId="1583" Score="1" Text="I agree.  On the other hand, mathematicians have been at the forefront of pushing back against publishers, and this gives some merit (mot much, I admit) to the first question.  Our relationship with publishers is uniquely strained, in my view." CreationDate="2014-03-27T21:46:03.053" UserId="45255" />
  <row Id="7262" PostId="1583" Score="3" Text="Dear Peter, did you check your assertion by looking systematically at the say newest 200 soft questions? Of course, for technical and for soft questions we can expect positive correlation between the quality of the question (as perceived by the MO community) and the reputation of the poster, but it is quite possible that this effect is weaker for soft questions." CreationDate="2014-03-28T11:07:04.667" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="7264" PostId="1583" Score="3" Text="The question with 155 was asked in the old days when soft questions were more tolerated." CreationDate="2014-03-28T12:55:08.917" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="7275" PostId="1583" Score="13" Text="@PeterDukes, it is fairly common for new users to try to prescribe how MO works. I did that, years ago. Eventually, you find that MO goes as MO goes, it is neither perfect nor horribly corrupt, and you can get help and harmless entertainment here. Hmmm. If not entirely harmless, at least legal in most countries." CreationDate="2014-03-29T05:53:15.970" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7356" PostId="1583" Score="2" Text="Peter, the history of interactions with that particular high-rep user has been fraught and contentious, and I suspect that some of the downvotes were not in the spirit of &quot;no!&quot; so much as &quot;oh please; here we go again...&quot;. In other words, a particular form of &quot;yuck&quot;, anticipating some emotional arguments to come." CreationDate="2014-04-05T21:15:54.547" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7382" PostId="1583" Score="1" Text="@ChristianRemling:  True.  I would like to believe, though, that identical words out of different mouths would get treated equally (should such an experiment be possible)." CreationDate="2014-04-07T03:51:25.583" UserId="45255" />
  <row Id="7401" PostId="1583" Score="1" Text="*** Human nature ***" CreationDate="2014-04-07T21:26:22.660" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="7434" PostId="1583" Score="0" Text="[a related question](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1325/7507)" CreationDate="2014-04-11T10:55:35.757" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="7253" PostId="1584" Score="4" Text="(+1) This is a good answer, and I appreciate you taking the time to consider the issue.  Hey, I would be quite happy if MO had a rule that the &quot;soft-question&quot; tag was not available to those with reputation $&lt;N$.  Instead, we let people use the tag and then trash them (though 90% of the time correctly) for using it." CreationDate="2014-03-27T20:34:36.873" UserId="45255" />
  <row Id="7273" PostId="1584" Score="5" Text="I made this comment Community Wiki to encourage anyone to add cases they know about where a high rep user has asked a soft question which likely would have been closed if asked by a low rep user." CreationDate="2014-03-28T16:27:05.557" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7290" PostId="1584" Score="3" Text="@Peter: I don't think the software has the ability to restrict tags by reputation. Also, it seems that real-world reputation is more significant here than MO points." CreationDate="2014-03-31T12:16:18.853" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="7339" PostId="1584" Score="0" Text="re your addition: that question was even closed initially. Another example slightly more recent, but not much, of a question asked by somebody with high on and off site reputation that got closed initially http://mathoverflow.net/questions/62401/logic-in-mathematics-and-philosophy (Note OP of the two is not the same while one could think so on a quick look.)" CreationDate="2014-04-05T08:27:42.330" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7344" PostId="1584" Score="0" Text="@quid True enough; so far I haven't produced any examples free from controversy. Can you come up with any?" CreationDate="2014-04-05T12:58:06.567" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7351" PostId="1584" Score="0" Text="One might speculate that http://mathoverflow.net/questions/143339/what-is-the-amplituhedron  would typically have been closed as dupe. But I am now somewhat unsure what precisely you are looking for; examples &quot;for&quot; or &quot;against&quot; the idea there is a bias." CreationDate="2014-04-05T14:56:31.657" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7352" PostId="1584" Score="0" Text="@quid The point was to test OP's idea that there are clear cases of bias. The examples I produced didn't give strong support for this idea in my opinion, and neither did his. So I wanted to see what examples did support his idea. Your last example might suffice; thanks." CreationDate="2014-04-05T16:10:18.980" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7354" PostId="1584" Score="0" Text="Glad it is useful and thanks for the clarfication. This interpretation is what I thought after a second more careful reading. Yet initially (for my first comment) I just read the addition and had more the opposite context in mind, whence that example there and my incertitude." CreationDate="2014-04-05T16:56:33.653" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7278" PostId="1587" Score="0" Text="Flags are not intended for off topic or duplicate questions. Closing and downvotes are for that." CreationDate="2014-03-29T19:52:18.030" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="7279" PostId="1587" Score="7" Text="@Benjamin Steinberg, if one does not have enough reputation to vote to close, then flagging is probably the correct action to take." CreationDate="2014-03-29T20:37:28.050" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="7280" PostId="1587" Score="3" Text="At least, when clicking on flag, we can choose &quot;off topic&quot; or &quot;duplicate&quot; so it seems to be possible. And yes, I cannot close a question because of reputation." CreationDate="2014-03-29T21:14:18.420" UserId="23758" />
  <row Id="7281" PostId="1587" Score="0" Text="Ok, I see that the flag options have changed since MO 1.0 when basically there was spam and offensive.  A lot of people used to call things spam because they didn't want to lose 2 points for downvoting.  Now I guess downvotes are free." CreationDate="2014-03-30T01:56:42.440" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="7282" PostId="1587" Score="0" Text="Yes, downvote is now free (I dont know how it was before). I use &quot;spam&quot; only when the question has really nothing to do with maths and &quot;off topic&quot; when it is not of math research level (like homework). And duplicate when it is almost the same question as another one. At least it is what I understood to do." CreationDate="2014-03-30T06:53:10.823" UserId="23758" />
  <row Id="7283" PostId="1587" Score="2" Text="Downvotes are *only* free on questions; on answers they still cost *1* point (yet subtract 2 for OP); earlier this cost of 1 point applied to  both types of posts." CreationDate="2014-03-30T15:45:10.580" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7284" PostId="1587" Score="0" Text="Ah OK, thanks for the information." CreationDate="2014-03-30T17:11:33.943" UserId="23758" />
  <row Id="7276" PostId="1588" Score="3" Text="Thanks for this precise answer." CreationDate="2014-03-29T14:40:11.063" UserId="23758" />
  <row Id="7285" PostId="1590" Score="27" Text="Quick reaction: I think it's likely that a question of the form &quot;is this a known result?&quot;, tagged perhaps with a reference request, would be welcomed, particularly if you have exercised due diligence in searching this yourself. &quot;Is this interesting?&quot;, like many questions which ask for an *evaluation* of research, is likely to get a less enthusiastic response. I would hope that an expert who is in a position to say, &quot;no, I haven't seen this written down explicitly anywhere&quot; might also add (if appropriate) something like, &quot;but it's easily seen, because...&quot; which might answer &quot;is it interesting?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-31T00:38:26.840" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7291" PostId="1591" Score="2" Text="Fantastic advice.  Thanks so much Gerhard." CreationDate="2014-03-31T18:12:10.810" UserId="27188" />
  <row Id="7300" PostId="1592" Score="1" Text="The questions have now been migrated to MO:&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;[Morphisms of spectra][1]&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;[Homotopy fibration sequences][2]&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;  [1]: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/162209/special-representations-for-morphisms-of-spectra-from-a-smash-product&#xD;&#xA;  [2]: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/162212/what-does-it-mean-to-speak-of-a-homotopy-fibration-sequence" CreationDate="2014-04-02T15:35:55.097" UserId="6249" />
  <row Id="7292" PostId="1593" Score="4" Text="Thanks! I will wait a day or two to see if this really is what the community thinks (well, the part of the community that visits meta.MO) and if it seems to be the case then I'll ask for migration of the first and third questions (not the second one as I have already found an answer myself (with external help)). I will also take this opportunity to thank you for your wonderful set of notes of category theory. They were incredibly useful for the writing of my bachelor's thesis some two years ago, and they provided amazing insight not written elsewhere. So thanks a lot!" CreationDate="2014-04-01T16:40:48.860" UserId="6249" />
  <row Id="7293" PostId="1593" Score="2" Text="Thanks, Bruno, that's very kind.  They're actually about to be published as a book." CreationDate="2014-04-01T17:50:02.703" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="7294" PostId="1593" Score="0" Text="I'm really very happy to hear about that!" CreationDate="2014-04-01T18:51:15.573" UserId="6249" />
  <row Id="7316" PostId="1598" Score="2" Text="Why not just delete the question?" CreationDate="2014-04-03T01:17:36.833" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7317" PostId="1598" Score="2" Text="Because there is a meaningful record of conversation on the question, and deleting it would devalue the contribution made by the commenter who pointed out it was ill-formed. Deleting a question is a harsh prescription when closing would suffice. This goes for one's own questions as well as others'." CreationDate="2014-04-03T01:26:17.263" UserId="238" />
  <row Id="7318" PostId="1598" Score="5" Text="The only thing closing does is prevent new answers to be added. Is that really your goal?" CreationDate="2014-04-03T01:43:58.920" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7319" PostId="1598" Score="4" Text="One could make a CW answer summarising the comment with credit to the commenter and accept it, to flag that you accept the resolution (if not actual answer) of the question." CreationDate="2014-04-03T05:22:45.423" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="7333" PostId="1598" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: not quite. Closed questions are basically &quot;not good enough for MathOverflow&quot;, and need substantial revision to improve. By closing my own question, I'm either holding it for future revision (for when I figure out exactly what I wanted to ask), or sealing it up and throwing into the archives." CreationDate="2014-04-04T15:01:00.867" UserId="238" />
  <row Id="7358" PostId="1598" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Closing will also prevent Community from bumping an unanswered question." CreationDate="2014-04-06T05:34:49.050" UserId="13832" />
  <row Id="7426" PostId="1601" Score="1" Text="I think you can just open a browser tab for every question or other page you'd like to revisit in the near future -- hence I don't think there is particular need for such feature (though of course it wouldn't harm either ...)." CreationDate="2014-04-10T08:49:49.143" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="7431" PostId="1601" Score="1" Text="Stefan, these workarounds are what I've been using, but because they are not a &quot;solution&quot; I started looking for alternatives. Given how useful is &quot;star&quot; and other &quot;labels&quot; that one can attach to emails in gmail (not for everybody, but a pretty large number of people do find such things useful), I think desiring even a partial ability to have labels beyond just &quot;favorite&quot; is pretty reasonable." CreationDate="2014-04-10T22:41:04.847" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="18091" PostId="1601" Score="0" Text="Here is a related feature request on Meta Stack Exchange: [Favorites improvements - search, categorize, personal tags, add note, favorite answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/75944). And this userscripts might be worth looking at if you use Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey: [Favourites Enhancer: Tag favourites and add personal notes](https://stackapps.com/q/6215). (I will also mention my question - although it was related mainly to editing: [What do you use to mark questions that need editing when you want to avoid excessive bumping?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/316745))" CreationDate="2018-12-31T09:27:31.077" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7336" PostId="1605" Score="1" Text="I agree with your view, but conditional on the assumption that the OP has made an informed choice between the two sites. If a 1k-rep user asked one, I would think twice before suggesting migration. More often than not, these borderline questions come from 1- or 101-rep users that do not have a strong understanding of what is in-topic where." CreationDate="2014-04-05T06:39:23.163" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="7337" PostId="1605" Score="0" Text="Also, re your scenario &quot;question bounces between sites&quot;: there are already checks in place to avoid it. A moderator at B has to agree to the migration, and everyone else at B will see &quot;migrated from A&quot;. So questions can bounce only if there is a disagreement between the moderators at B. The case in which moderators disagree is a problematic one even when there is only one site involved (reopen battles)." CreationDate="2014-04-05T06:47:03.580" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="7338" PostId="1605" Score="0" Text="This was not quite clear from my formulation, but I meant the &quot;sent&quot; in a more informal way, too. (I am aware one cannot migrate by votes more than once.) The problem I have with your proposal is not so much technical but the general idea behind migration it conveys. Migration is a service provided to OP's of **off-topic questions** and you seem to want to turn it in a tool to find some best fit of on-topicness. I am against this." CreationDate="2014-04-05T08:18:11.593" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7353" PostId="1605" Score="6" Text="I'd add that migration can be a rather disruptive and confusing process from the asker's point of view. Their question is suddenly on a different site where they typically don't have an account, my impression is that a significant amount of new users is lost at this point. Rejected migrations are pretty much the worst case in terms of new user experience, and they are not that rare (~10-30% are typical values)." CreationDate="2014-04-05T16:25:31.173" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="7355" PostId="1607" Score="0" Text="Your point is generally true, though you must admit: all that matters is other disciplines' *perception* that they are reading a water-tight argument.  Whether they are or not does not change a referee's job.  Plus, I would not count my life on the correctness of (some) successfully refereed math papers.&#xA;&#xA;Also, I argue above that the issue of fighting with journal publishers (an issue raised in the downvoted post) is particularly relevant for mathematicians." CreationDate="2014-04-05T19:56:02.537" UserId="45255" />
  <row Id="7359" PostId="1608" Score="0" Text="Please feel free to close this, if it is off-topic ..." CreationDate="2014-04-06T09:06:31.027" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="7360" PostId="1608" Score="32" Text="No, I think it's very much on-topic, and best wishes for the new site!" CreationDate="2014-04-06T12:32:59.957" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7363" PostId="1608" Score="2" Text="Godspeed, and don't abuse set theory too much, eh! (Something that was rarely done on physics sites, but when it happens, it always causes me to irk and grind my teeth.)" CreationDate="2014-04-06T15:41:55.830" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7364" PostId="1608" Score="1" Text="Physics Overflow is temporarily down for a while due to a technical glitch with the host. This has occurred only about twice or thrice, unfortunately, shamefully enough, always after we went public." CreationDate="2014-04-06T16:02:53.287" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="7367" PostId="1608" Score="4" Text="The site looks good and quite functional. Congratulations. After reading [this post on the underlying software](http://www.physicsoverflow.org/4657#a4809), I am curious. I hope either you or @Dimensio1n0 can provide some information. Can you share your impressions so far on using Q2A compared to using the stackexchange platform? Also, how much did you have to modify Q2A to get to the current state?" CreationDate="2014-04-06T22:01:41.457" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="7387" PostId="1608" Score="3" Text="Hi @RicardoAndrade, of course SE is much more &quot;polished&quot;, and has many features native Q2A does not offer. But Q2A has also some advantages, for example posts can not only be categorized by tags but by higher level categories too to partition the site a bit. One of the most difficult tasks was to import the TP.SE questions from the data dump, and making LaTex work correctly was not exactly stright forward either. Our philosophy when modifying Q2A was to modify or add &quot;external&quot; components such as plugins, customizing the site them for design issues, install java scripts, etc whenever possible" CreationDate="2014-04-07T09:59:29.943" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="7388" PostId="1608" Score="1" Text="and modify the core code of Q2A only if inevitably needed, to not lose compatibility with updates Q2A implements." CreationDate="2014-04-07T10:01:20.363" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="7390" PostId="1608" Score="2" Text="@RicardoAndrade In addition to what Dilaton said, Q2A allows the ability to (logically) link questions two answers. Unfortunately, there are no inbuilt review queues, and the tag description plug in is not that great, so we achieved these by meta posts, pages on a separate wiki, etc." CreationDate="2014-04-07T10:41:44.880" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="7395" PostId="1608" Score="3" Text="Also, through a plug-in, we have comment voting (both up and down), while SE only offers upvoting for comments. And we can make vote counts appear separately (+ and -) by default without any reputation barrier, or needing to click. See [here](http://www.physicsoverflow.org/4657?show=4809#diff) for the full list." CreationDate="2014-04-07T11:46:30.300" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="7635" PostId="1608" Score="2" Text="&quot;+1&quot; and congrts. Just  signed up to upvote. One day I shall be an expert and will be a part of that community. Although I have given a shot to one of my question from Phys.SE there. :-)" CreationDate="2014-05-02T14:12:00.470" UserId="50305" />
  <row Id="8590" PostId="1608" Score="0" Text="Isn't PO a part of the SE network? Why doesn't it show there?" CreationDate="2014-09-01T06:05:46.087" UserId="57684" />
  <row Id="8591" PostId="1608" Score="1" Text="@New_new_newbie PO was launched outside the SE network, to avoid having to fullfill any externally prescribed activity criteria." CreationDate="2014-09-01T08:24:18.760" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="8592" PostId="1608" Score="3" Text="@Dilaton - Thanks. I was contemplating joining PO and apparently I can't do that automatically using the SE profile. Your page mentions that users whose questions are imported should reclaim their Physics.SE account, but what about the others? I mean I had a grad-level question on P.SE that's unanswered over there, so maybe that can be imported in the future." CreationDate="2014-09-02T06:03:24.593" UserId="57684" />
  <row Id="8593" PostId="1608" Score="0" Text="@New_new_newbie to get temporary access data for your imported account, you can write a mail to me or to admin@physicsoverflow.org. Also, on-topic SE questions (including math which is of interest to physicists/physics applications) can be suggested to be imported [here](http://www.physicsoverflow.org/4536)." CreationDate="2014-09-02T07:45:45.060" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="9604" PostId="1608" Score="0" Text="I apologize for bumping the thread; unfortunately there is no way to edit in (with hindsight considered more important than I first thought) information silently with the SE software..." CreationDate="2015-01-14T09:59:56.150" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="10160" PostId="1608" Score="1" Text="@TheDarkSide That's fine, you can register as a new user and ask for your posts to be imported [here](http://physicsoverflow.org/4536)." CreationDate="2015-03-29T10:46:24.067" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="26487" PostId="1608" Score="5" Text="I’m voting to close this question because it is no longer relevant in 2021." CreationDate="2021-10-13T08:30:06.683" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="7362" PostId="1609" Score="9" Text="Does the downvotes are against this post on meta or against the post I'm asking for on MO? In any case, why?" CreationDate="2014-04-06T15:18:11.047" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="7370" PostId="1609" Score="9" Text="I think it would be great if instead of downvoting questions on meta, more people wrote &quot;No. [more characters to fulfill the silly character requirements]&quot; as an answer. But it's more work, and it's not anonymous, so this is probably wishful thinking." CreationDate="2014-04-06T22:57:54.223" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7376" PostId="1609" Score="11" Text="If it were up to me, I would not have this question on MO; but that's because I don't see MO as a chatroom or forum for open-ended discussion" CreationDate="2014-04-07T01:52:28.120" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="7384" PostId="1609" Score="9" Text="I think this question would be quite off topic and I would vote to close it." CreationDate="2014-04-07T05:14:40.437" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="7389" PostId="1609" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: I see several solutions: 1.  Post and keep this question open for a limited time (for example 1 month) on MO, **or** 2. Create a chat-room on this subject, **or** 3.  Post this question on politics.sx, as suggested by Bjørn and in spite of Alex's comment." CreationDate="2014-04-07T10:34:38.787" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="7391" PostId="1609" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg: Nevertheless (after seeing your webpage) I think you could give relevant and useful answers to this question." CreationDate="2014-04-07T10:54:59.887" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="7397" PostId="1609" Score="5" Text="I am in favor of having this question on MO.  I occasionally find myself in the situation of needing to explain to somebody &quot;important&quot; why they should fund research in pure math.  I would be happy to know more arguments I can present in such a situation." CreationDate="2014-04-07T12:34:12.750" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7399" PostId="1609" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi What about using the chatroom?" CreationDate="2014-04-07T14:44:06.250" UserId="2" />
  <row Id="7400" PostId="1609" Score="17" Text="In addition to the fact that it's off topic, I'd also vote to close this as subjective and argumentative, because that it's wording takes it as a foregone conclusion that we should in fact fund research in pure mathematics.  I'd also worry about commenters failing to distinguish between the questions &quot;Should the amount of funding be greater than zero?&quot; and &quot;Should the amount of funding be greater than its current level?&quot;, which are quite separate questions and should not be jumbled together in one MO thread." CreationDate="2014-04-07T15:29:46.457" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="7405" PostId="1609" Score="2" Text="@StevenLandsburg: would you object to a question that simply asked what kinds of arguments can be given in support of having (either some or more) public funding for research in pure math?  Since pure math research is difficult for most people in congress to relate to, I think it would be beneficial if mathematicians could pool their ideas of how best to present our subject.  One could argue that this type of thing belongs on a private blog, but the MO forum reaches more people and hence would likely get better answers.  Is there a downside to this?" CreationDate="2014-04-08T08:24:09.603" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7408" PostId="1609" Score="2" Text="@MichaelZieve :  I think a question on &quot;what kinds of arguments can be given in support of having (either some or more) public funding research for math&quot; would be exactly as on-topic and appropriate as a question on &quot;what kinds of arguments can be given *against* having (either some or more) public funding for math&quot;.  Personally, I'd consider either to be way off topic.  Some might think the opposite.  But if someone considered one of these more on-topic than the other, I'd say that person was being extremely (and highly inappropriately) subjective and argumentative." CreationDate="2014-04-08T18:58:13.307" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="7412" PostId="1609" Score="1" Text="@MichaelZieve:  The question is now posted on politics.se (see [here](http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/3091/why-fund-the-research-in-pure-mathematics)). According to the answers received, I would come back here for requesting a migration on MO." CreationDate="2014-04-08T20:24:56.213" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8267" PostId="1609" Score="2" Text="&quot;In what meta-MO was useful there?&quot; It delayed an essentially off-topic question being asked for a couple of month. ;-)" CreationDate="2014-07-15T16:37:12.470" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8359" PostId="1609" Score="1" Text="maybe could fit on [academia.se]? it would seem the same justifications are those of funding scientific research in general...." CreationDate="2014-07-31T05:31:36.610" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="7380" PostId="1612" Score="15" Text="I'm not sure people who study politics are knowledgeable about the benefits of pure mathematics." CreationDate="2014-04-07T03:17:34.693" UserId="13832" />
  <row Id="7392" PostId="1612" Score="4" Text="If OP wants to find out how to access various political arguments for how research should be funded, he might get information here; for that it doesn't matter whether political science specialists know the benefits of mathematics. Presumably the politics differs from country to country." CreationDate="2014-04-07T11:18:52.243" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7394" PostId="1612" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: your link is not available." CreationDate="2014-04-07T11:26:36.280" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="7396" PostId="1612" Score="0" Text="No, by &quot;here&quot; I meant politics.SE." CreationDate="2014-04-07T11:53:24.643" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7410" PostId="1612" Score="0" Text="The question is now posted on politics.se (see [here](http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/3091/why-fund-the-research-in-pure-mathematics))." CreationDate="2014-04-08T19:54:12.557" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="7425" PostId="1612" Score="2" Text="@SamIam I don't see what is odd here. This answer is to a question of whether a certain other question would be on-topic on MO. So the answer does not redirect some question, it answers another question (the one asked)." CreationDate="2014-04-10T07:10:16.197" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="7427" PostId="1612" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft disregard everythin gI said.  I though that this was in the Main mathematics SE." CreationDate="2014-04-10T15:07:49.097" UserId="49363" />
  <row Id="7449" PostId="1612" Score="1" Text="@AlexBecker: in a democracy, everyone is supposed to study politics." CreationDate="2014-04-15T03:05:51.193" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="7450" PostId="1612" Score="0" Text="The question seems to have an healthy live on politics.se, and I think that the best we could wish for it. It was really too &quot;subjective and argumentative&quot; for MO (which does not mean it was not interesting)." CreationDate="2014-04-15T03:08:47.800" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="7456" PostId="1612" Score="2" Text="@Joel: if in fact the question is subjective or argumentative, then that is merely a matter of how it is phrased.  It seems perfectly reasonable to ask what arguments can be given in support of funding research in pure math, especially in a forum for math research.  I see some very &quot;subjective and argumentative&quot; things in the comments on this page, but I do not see how such a simple question can be viewed as such.  Although there are some interesting answers at politics.se, still I'm certain that people at MO could give different types of arguments in support of mathematicians' livelihood." CreationDate="2014-04-15T11:39:17.683" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7457" PostId="1612" Score="2" Text="@MichaelSieve: I think your underestimate how this issue (not the question itself) is divisive. Some mathematician I know think mathematics should not be funded at all: only people with a personal fortune, and thus truly disinterested, should do mathematics. Other thinks that math should be funded, but certainly not by private contributors, only by the state, while some others think exactly the contrary (&quot;keep the government out of my maths&quot;). Even among people who agrees that math should be founded, the most natural justifications may be more controversial that they seem at first glance..." CreationDate="2014-04-15T14:42:59.757" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="7458" PostId="1612" Score="1" Text="... Consider someone saying (as frequently happens): &quot;my country should finance mathematics because it will give it a technological/economic/military edge in the international competition&quot;. I find this a problematic answer, as mathematicians from other countries cannot logically agree with that (if they do, it means they actually agree on something different)." CreationDate="2014-04-15T14:45:13.397" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="8301" PostId="1612" Score="1" Text="@MichaelZieve: There is now this new MO post [How does one justify funding for mathematics research?](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/175847/how-does-one-justify-funding-for-mathematics-research)" CreationDate="2014-07-17T12:53:54.957" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="9372" PostId="1621" Score="0" Text="IMHO the usual rep-points-based discrimination may relieve 95% cases where a new MO question is created of this hypothetical obtrusion." CreationDate="2014-12-13T07:51:30.733" UserId="56921" />
  <row Id="17694" PostId="1624" Score="0" Text="Probably some of those links should be changed. Among the ones listed [in the current revision](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/1624/4), NRICH is inactive since 2014 and Ask Dr. Math since 2017. On the other hand, the list is in the form which is copied from the [current version](http://web.archive.org/web/20181120082223/https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic) of the [on-topic section in the help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic)." CreationDate="2018-11-20T12:03:16.957" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18136" PostId="1624" Score="0" Text="The FAQ were [recently updated](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4053/update-outdated-links-in-the-list-of-suggested-alternative-sites) and they no longer contain the two sites mentioned in the previous comment. A formulation used in the FAQ at the moment contains [a link used in another template](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/971/comment-template-for-questions-more-appropriate-for-mse/3782#3782). Perhaps it is useful to leave also a template which has some list of sites." CreationDate="2019-01-09T07:26:18.937" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7442" PostId="1625" Score="14" Text="I would wait until you understand at least one answer (but preferably both/all) before accepting. Of course you can comment or ask questions, and in this situation you probably should. The answers look eminently understandable to me, so you should take heart." CreationDate="2014-04-12T14:58:09.497" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7445" PostId="1625" Score="8" Text="There is never any requirement to accept an answer at all." CreationDate="2014-04-14T13:57:24.340" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="7448" PostId="1625" Score="3" Text="*I can't understand the 70% of the answers.* - [What are you insinuating ?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULKKiJp6NY) :-)" CreationDate="2014-04-14T21:22:50.657" UserId="39602" />
  <row Id="7453" PostId="1625" Score="1" Text="Based on this meta.MSE thread: [Reasking a MathOverflow question](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/2703/) I'd say that if there is some particular detail of a MO post (either yours or of some other person), it is ok to ask on MSE about clarification. I suppose that if the question would be MO-level, it would be ok to ask on MO instead. (But of course trying by yourself and asking for clarification in comments to the answers should be the first step.) I am not sure whether something similar was discussed at meta.MO or tea." CreationDate="2014-04-15T07:53:22.937" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7454" PostId="1625" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Thanks, I'll do this." CreationDate="2014-04-15T08:25:49.867" UserId="44498" />
  <row Id="7455" PostId="1625" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes I'll think about asking questions on MSE too." CreationDate="2014-04-15T08:26:38.337" UserId="44498" />
  <row Id="7459" PostId="1625" Score="1" Text="I still need to upload my answer that I promised to post. I hope that answer will be understandable." CreationDate="2014-04-15T16:47:40.937" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="7443" PostId="1626" Score="0" Text="I am not sure if all of my answer is relevant to you, as it is not completely clear if you are asking also about pseudo vs real or only about pseudo specifically." CreationDate="2014-04-14T12:23:22.880" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7444" PostId="1626" Score="2" Text="This thread may also be relevant: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1113/on-the-role-of-anonymity-in-a-site-dedicated-to-research-level-mathematics/1114#1114" CreationDate="2014-04-14T12:52:47.087" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7446" PostId="1628" Score="2" Text="The removing operation would easily be traceable for moderators (they can see deleted comments)." CreationDate="2014-04-14T17:11:38.857" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7447" PostId="1628" Score="0" Text="That's good! Wikipedia-like *history* feature would be about optimal." CreationDate="2014-04-14T17:45:46.930" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="7451" PostId="1628" Score="0" Text="As long as there are no other comments posted you can simply delete your comment yourself and post a corrected version." CreationDate="2014-04-15T05:33:19.687" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="7452" PostId="1628" Score="0" Text="M.Sci., as I've written above in my **Question**: *Thus I would post a &quot;new&quot; comment which would be a corrected copy of the erlier one, and then I would remove that wrong one. This however gets tiring.*" CreationDate="2014-04-15T05:58:31.043" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="7466" PostId="1629" Score="5" Text="You might think of a way to bring to their attention this thread." CreationDate="2014-04-16T13:42:14.860" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7468" PostId="1629" Score="1" Text="I noticed something similar too a few months back where the answer of another user (not me) was used substantially in the paper.  What was used was not too hard, and I felt that the user who answered would probably not want credit (and perhaps had even been asked by the author of the paper -- I obviously don't know the facts).  Again legally the paper was ok, but ethically seemed questionable to me.  Francois Dorais below suggests how MO answers should be treated: Is that position officially recorded somewhere?" CreationDate="2014-04-16T15:57:33.553" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7469" PostId="1629" Score="0" Text="I had a similar experience, actually. The user did acknowledge other people who answered his questions, though." CreationDate="2014-04-16T16:36:56.017" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7470" PostId="1629" Score="6" Text="@Lucia: It's not a &quot;position&quot;, &quot;policy&quot; or anything of the sort. Posting on MathOverflow is a mode of communication and all forms of communication between professionals need to be handled professionally." CreationDate="2014-04-16T17:19:42.087" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7497" PostId="1629" Score="0" Text="Tread carefully.  I am in a situation where I pointed out some results on MathOverflow to some in the hopes of collaboration; the result is consistent with their ignoring me, developing the material independently, publicizing it without acknowledgment, and privately maintaining that MathOverflow is not appropriate as a reference.  Hopefully MathOverflow Inc. (LLC?) will decide what their preference is on handling such issues.  Dropping it may be a good legal if not a good ethical option.  Gerhard &quot;There Are Some Other Options&quot; Paseman, 2014.04.17" CreationDate="2014-04-17T20:41:12.093" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="7467" PostId="1630" Score="2" Text="Thank you. I do not believe there is a breach here in the juristic sense." CreationDate="2014-04-16T14:25:32.573" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="7473" PostId="1631" Score="7" Text="I think including the exact time in the reference is completely unnecessary -- note that in references to journal articles, usually only the year is given (and not even the month, let alone the precise day or even time)." CreationDate="2014-04-16T23:21:43.793" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="7474" PostId="1631" Score="3" Text="I disagree @StefanKohl. The point is to be clear *which* version of the answere is referenced. However, the example is a bit peculiar as it seems surprising that OP would actually want to quote the first revision as opposed to the current one." CreationDate="2014-04-16T23:24:29.853" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7475" PostId="1631" Score="3" Text="@quid: In this case I'd just specify the version number, rather than the time." CreationDate="2014-04-16T23:26:48.727" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="7476" PostId="1631" Score="1" Text="I would include a link to the answer too. And possibly to the exact revision if you want to be precise. Like http://mathoverflow.net/revisions/162826/1 links to what you say (though it is surprising) but http://mathoverflow.net/revisions/162826/5 is what is the current answer to the question. // Regarding the timezone: the time displayed is UTC, no local timezones are taken into account." CreationDate="2014-04-16T23:28:46.610" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7477" PostId="1631" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl yes, I agree that the current form is a bit surprising and possibly misleading and not what is really meant. Still I felt that the analogy to journals was not a valid analogy." CreationDate="2014-04-16T23:30:26.317" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7479" PostId="1631" Score="2" Text="By the way, Stefan and quid, this one of the important issues the discussion - http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/800/long-term-archiving-of-mathoverflow - is trying to solve." CreationDate="2014-04-17T00:45:55.760" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7480" PostId="1631" Score="1" Text="I have tried to search for [older discussions on tea](https://www.google.com/search?q=citation+site:tea.mathoverflow.net). If found [this](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1282/citation-for-questions-answered-on-mo/) and [this](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/7/2/cite-mathoverflow/)." CreationDate="2014-04-17T06:03:44.903" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7493" PostId="1631" Score="0" Text="Thanks @quid for the timezone and revisions info." CreationDate="2014-04-17T15:58:49.740" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="7494" PostId="1631" Score="0" Text="Thanks @MartinSleziak for the tea discussion, which includes BiBTeX ideas." CreationDate="2014-04-17T15:59:36.643" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="7496" PostId="1631" Score="0" Text="@Bjørn Be careful with the author field in BiBTeX. See the comment by Emil in this discussion: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1002/dont-html-encode-quotes-when-creating-suggested-bibtex-entries" CreationDate="2014-04-17T19:45:53.910" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7522" PostId="1631" Score="0" Text="Perhaps someone can create a bibtex style @MathOverflow{ etc.} that we can add to our bibtex set-up in such a way that it will be set automatically in a nice way using the bibtex field data that is provided under the &quot;share&quot; button? Right now, the bibtex bbl output I get is not very satisfactory without modification." CreationDate="2014-04-18T14:33:51.277" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="7532" PostId="1631" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: The main issue is with bibtex itself. The most viable option would be to recommend that users switch to [biblatex](http://ctan.mirrorcatalogs.com/macros/latex/contrib/biblatex/doc/biblatex.pdf) and outputting an `@online` entry instead of a bibtex `@misc` entry." CreationDate="2014-04-19T11:50:51.997" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="23645" PostId="1631" Score="0" Text="[tex.se]: [What should an BibTeX entry for a Stack Exchange post look like?](https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/267998)" CreationDate="2020-08-08T15:08:25.943" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7585" PostId="1632" Score="3" Text="I don't understand this answer." CreationDate="2014-04-23T21:50:05.857" UserId="23064" />
  <row Id="7586" PostId="1632" Score="5" Text="@mangledorf: then ask a question. What you wrote is a statement, not a question:-)" CreationDate="2014-04-24T13:16:01.090" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="7488" PostId="1634" Score="2" Text="When I posed the question I had not realized there were good reasons for participating anonymously. On the other hand, if this is to be a question and answer site for professional mathematicians (and this is how this site defines itself), a high ratio of naive, poorly posed questions can be a problem because having to pick the good needles from the huge haystack will discourage participation from the people who make this site worthwhile. I still think that anonymity encourages sloppiness and not thinking before interacting, but I can understand that it is a price to pay for other benefits." CreationDate="2014-04-17T12:29:05.883" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="7490" PostId="1634" Score="3" Text="@alvarezpaiva : I thank you for your considerate answer, and must say that I truly understand your point of view. What is not absolutely crystal clear (at least for me) is &quot;what is exactly a professional mathematician&quot; : at least a PhD student ? someone who has a non-empty publication list ? anybody who correctly uses non-trivial theorems in his work, even if this work is rather far away from mainstream mathematics ? any mathematical teacher ...? Moreover, I've got the feeling that MO is a free society where everyboby can let any  worthless question, comment or answer die silently undisturbed." CreationDate="2014-04-17T13:04:10.410" UserDisplayName="user45639" />
  <row Id="7491" PostId="1634" Score="1" Text="Smaug, I guess a professional mathematician is like a professional poet: he or she must, from time to time, publish his work and thus submit it to public scrutiny, and these publications have a certain impact in the way he or she makes a living. I have to say that I'm quite happy to share this space with people who just like mathematics or studied it at some point. I was just wondering if there were good reasons to participate anonymously." CreationDate="2014-04-17T14:24:54.923" UserId="21123" />
  <row Id="7495" PostId="1634" Score="3" Text="@Smaug, for an example of a &quot;free society&quot; of the type in your comment, look at the (formerly USENET newsgroup) sci.math.  The quality there has deteriorated because of the lack of self-moderation.  This is a (partly community-) moderated forum with goals for a specific audience, and with a willingness to share the results with a broader public.  The quality is maintained only by constant vigilance: give good content, and (mostly) we don't care if you are dog or dragon.  Bad content, and you are discouraged regardless of handle.  Gerhard &quot;Always Looking For Good Content&quot; Paseman, 2014.04.17." CreationDate="2014-04-17T18:35:09.730" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="7506" PostId="1634" Score="0" Text="@alvarezpaiva : yes, you're wonderfully right, I do believe professional mathematicians ARE professionnal poets in a singular way, but, (even if it is a bit beside the point), I'm not really convinced by your remark on publications: Fernando PESSOA and Emily DICKINSON were two of the greatest poets of all time, and they never published anything in their lifetime (please, DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME : I EVIDENTLY DO NOT COMPARE MYSELF (or my smaug-worm-self) WITH THESE TWO ABSOLUTE GENIUSES, who, in their fied, were in the &quot;Gromov-Perelman-Tao-Bombieri-Ramanujan-Euler-Gauss-Grthendieck&quot; class...)." CreationDate="2014-04-18T07:47:55.453" UserDisplayName="user45639" />
  <row Id="7513" PostId="1634" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman : Well, dear Gerhard &quot;Great-Chief-On-The-Trail Of-Perfect-Content&quot; Paseman (no harm intended..., BTW, speaking of good content, I'm truly amazed and flabbergasted by the maths on Paul Garrett's homepage... When does he sleep ?), you're not alone in this wild-goose chase. &quot;Always-Looking-For-Perfect-Content-And-Feeding-Grundging-Students-With-It-And-Not-Beeing-Dispirited-By-Mathematical-Garbage-We-Encounter-Here-And-There&quot; is a truly wonderful description of our common everyday job. Sincerely yours, Jean-Marc &quot;Quite-Wrongly-Impersonating-The-Stupid-Dragon-King-Smaug&quot; Patin." CreationDate="2014-04-18T08:21:29.757" UserDisplayName="user45639" />
  <row Id="9504" PostId="1634" Score="1" Text="What happened to this &quot;Smaug&quot; fellow, anyway?" CreationDate="2014-12-19T22:14:36.960" UserId="5308" />
  <row Id="7498" PostId="1635" Score="1" Text="Indeed, just about everything about a MathOverflow post is changeable: title, URL, user names, etc.  I would include the most static and minimal information possible in the reference, and nearby indicate how it resolved at the time I wrote the document.  If Pietro Majer changes his name or user number, I don't want to have to update because of that.  The title, question number, and URL seem to be the most static and minimal pieces of information needed; I leave the rest to the ingenuity of the future researcher.  Gerhard &quot;Will ASCII Exist In 2100?&quot; Paseman, 2014.04.17" CreationDate="2014-04-17T21:40:03.983" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="7499" PostId="1637" Score="0" Text="Ah, thanks, I think they were all automatic bumps. Maybe that process only executes every once in a while, which is why I saw several nearly at once." CreationDate="2014-04-18T00:13:38.417" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="7507" PostId="1637" Score="0" Text="I changed 1 to stress that there must be an answer for this to happen; question without answer do not usually get bumped." CreationDate="2014-04-18T07:56:59.793" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7510" PostId="1637" Score="0" Text="@quid: I'm not 100% sure that you're right about that, but due to the lack of evidence to the contrary, I'm going to allow that." CreationDate="2014-04-18T08:16:02.413" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7512" PostId="1637" Score="0" Text="I would say at least &quot;usually&quot; question without answer are not bumped, if they were it ought to be trivial to find examples." CreationDate="2014-04-18T08:19:08.047" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7515" PostId="1637" Score="3" Text="See here for discussion about not bumping questions with zero answers: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/217884/community-user-does-not-bump-questions-that-never-had-an-answer" CreationDate="2014-04-18T09:49:05.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7530" PostId="1637" Score="0" Text="@Martin: Great, thanks!" CreationDate="2014-04-18T18:06:46.723" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7526" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="Usually, fixing or removing a broken link is the responsibility of the maintainer(s) of the site containing the link, rather than the responsibility of the maintainer of the site the link refers to." CreationDate="2014-04-18T16:24:10.923" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="7527" PostId="1640" Score="0" Text="The complete list may include questions not visible on the front page (perhaps from downvotes, maybe for some other reason).  Although it is mildly annoying, I think the current arrangement makes the most sense." CreationDate="2014-04-18T16:47:12.080" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7528" PostId="1641" Score="1" Text="your link does the trick; I simply didn't see the need to press the &quot;questions&quot; button when I already see questions. Thanks for making me aware of the trick." CreationDate="2014-04-18T17:07:07.777" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="11914" PostId="1642" Score="0" Text="There is data for all trackbacks https://arxiv.org/help/trackback/ I think there will not be that few broken links. For example,  http://arxiv.org/tb/1309.7675 likely soon will have not only one but two broken trackbacks. Surely an extreme case but still.(That question made my investigate this matter now, in case you should wonder why I came to this now.)" CreationDate="2015-11-30T21:37:49.930" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7533" PostId="1645" Score="3" Text="I think it is not optimal to use the title of the question as &quot;title&quot; for an answer to a question (I know it is like this since a long time but I just happened to notice recently and this seems a good place ot record this opinion). I would rather use something like &quot;Answer to 'Title of the question' by OP of Q&quot; (or possibly without the by OP of Q).  This could be analogous to things sometimes used in journals when somebody writes a comment or remark or an appendix or something to some other paper." CreationDate="2014-04-19T13:10:18.440" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7534" PostId="1645" Score="2" Text="@quid: `titleaddon = {(answer)}` would also work." CreationDate="2014-04-19T13:11:43.850" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7535" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="I do not have much opinion on how things are done precisely, especially as I do not oversee the technical details. My only concern is that questions and answers are distinguished in some way." CreationDate="2014-04-19T23:48:43.293" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7550" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="The `author` field should be `{Dorais, François G.}`, to ensure proper collation. Now, another question is [&quot;what if the author's username is Bugs Bunny&quot;](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/98082/etiquette-question-how-to-acknowledge-bugs-bunny)." CreationDate="2014-04-21T17:55:56.997" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="7551" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni: Neither biber nor bibtex have problems parsing my name correctly, whichever order it is written. Bugs Bunny should be even easier to parse." CreationDate="2014-04-21T18:18:36.520" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7556" PostId="1645" Score="3" Text="Well, frankly, I am hesitant about this solution. Right now, I have a highly functional bibtex workflow, which really works for me in all respects, except that the MO bibtex items are not quite optimal (although I can adjust them adequately by hand).  Do I really have to move to a totally separate bib system in order to fix that? I'm sure biblatex is great, but will it work with my editor in the way that I want? Can I install it easily? Will it work with my current files without issue? Isn't there a solution that doesn't require a change to a totally new bibtex package?" CreationDate="2014-04-22T02:26:32.580" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="7563" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: I find using biblatex painless. For all of my recent papers adding `\usepackage[style=numeric]{biblatex}` in the preamble, removing any `\bibliographystyle{...}`, and adding `\printbibliography` before the end of the document just works. You can keep using bibtex as a backend but biber is better. http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/5091/what-to-do-to-switch-to-biblatex The only drawback to biblatex is that some publishers have yet to adapt their house styles to work with biblatex, but that's really their problem in the end..." CreationDate="2014-04-22T09:21:11.683" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7564" PostId="1645" Score="1" Text="Regarding creating bibtex style files ([.bst files](http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/biblio/bibtex/contrib/misc)) with a MO entry type or even just custom MO fields, that is possible but the custom entries would be simply be ignored when not using the MO house style. So we're stuck with `@misc` entries, standard fields, and some relatively common fields. Unfortunately, because of they are used for miscellaneous things, most bibliographic styles don't process these entries very well and they often disagree on the usage of common fields. [...]" CreationDate="2014-04-22T10:39:13.620" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7565" PostId="1645" Score="1" Text="[...] In the end, it's impossible for MO to output a `@misc` entry that fits all styles. Users will have to keep adjusting the MO entries to fit the bibtex style file they want to use..." CreationDate="2014-04-22T10:39:18.893" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7566" PostId="1645" Score="1" Text="@Joel: Is your bib system anything like [this bib system](http://www.cafepress.com/+math+baby-bibs)?" CreationDate="2014-04-22T12:06:36.453" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7536" PostId="1648" Score="7" Text="This is great news! MathOverflow has had a history of mathematics history questions which many people felt were outside the scope of MO, so this is a wonderful addition and I hope it takes off." CreationDate="2014-04-20T11:37:48.180" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7600" PostId="1648" Score="0" Text="Yes, I agree with Todd. We would have to collectively decide which math history question are still acceptable on MO (if any), and which should be moved to that new SE." CreationDate="2014-04-26T22:13:33.140" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="7601" PostId="1648" Score="0" Text="@Joël Well, we're not quite there yet! We're still only 30% of the way to a beta, and beta SEs routinely get cancelled due to insufficient activity even after they launch. So tell your friends, come one come all, etc etc plug plug" CreationDate="2014-04-26T22:26:54.640" UserId="41669" />
  <row Id="7537" PostId="1650" Score="10" Text="I am not at all enthusiastic about this question, and I think it was right to close it as being unclear (to me it *is* unclear). To me the answers don't exactly clarify the question; they are somewhat artful ways of talking about things that could be of interest to the OP, much in the way that a kind and skilled professor might address a confused or ineptly formulated question, making the best of a situation. (Incidentally, we have this thread for reopen requests: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-votes.)" CreationDate="2014-04-20T13:47:02.560" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7538" PostId="1650" Score="6" Text="To me this question resembles the kind of discussions that I enjoyed as a grad student, both as asker and answerer, with other grad students in different specialties. Personally, when I am unsure how to best formulate a question, I especially appreciate an opportunity to ask it. If this type of question is unwelcome on MO, I would personally regard this as a loss, although I gather that my opinion is in the minority." CreationDate="2014-04-20T16:27:46.897" UserId="1050" />
  <row Id="7539" PostId="1650" Score="6" Text="Well, the community should continue to have discussions about MO norms, and there are not a few who think the prevailing norms are too strict. My comment should be interpreted less as coming from an MO &quot;cop&quot; and more just a personal statement that I indeed found the question unclear; particularly that I don't get what OP meant by &lt;&lt;the Zariski topology is meaningful as being a &quot;topology&quot;, rather than being a set which sufficies the axioms of being a topology. Is there a understandable example which views the Zariski topology as a &quot;topology&quot;&gt;&gt; Did OP obliquely mean a Grothendieck topology??" CreationDate="2014-04-20T16:56:59.710" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7540" PostId="1650" Score="2" Text="I took &quot;topology&quot; (in quotes) to mean the sort of thing that one sees in elementary topology --- convergence, continuity, connectedness, and the like.  The answers made it clear that such things are not to be expected from the Zariski topology, which I think answers that part of the question (if I understood it correctly)." CreationDate="2014-04-20T21:26:56.763" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="7541" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="@AndreasBlass But he says '*a* &quot;topology&quot;' (my emphasis), not &quot;topology&quot; as a kind of collective noun. Anyway, I asked what was meant at MO main, and maybe OP will pop by to clear it up." CreationDate="2014-04-20T21:48:11.830" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7543" PostId="1650" Score="1" Text="When I've read the question it immediately translated in my mind as &quot;Topology is for talking about converging sequences: what the heck is the Zariski topology about?&quot;. Probably I got a bit carried away in my willingness to reply that there's more to geometry than converging sequences. That said I think that the question may use a clarification" CreationDate="2014-04-21T03:49:25.947" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="7546" PostId="1650" Score="3" Text="Technically, this question is not &quot;closed&quot;, it is merely &quot;on hold&quot;.  This means it can be re-opened provided it is re-worded to make it acceptable." CreationDate="2014-04-21T12:26:11.820" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="7570" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar I think you make a good point, but still I cannot help but point out that even if it were technically closed it could also be re-opened." CreationDate="2014-04-22T15:56:41.143" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7544" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="Why do you expect the OP to be a professional mathematician? Also, he has been asked a quite specific question in the comments which might clarify what he means. Without an answer to that question I do not feel there is any good reason to reopen the question." CreationDate="2014-04-21T06:36:53.300" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="7545" PostId="1652" Score="2" Text="In an effort to understand how people use this thread, and think it should be used, with an eye towards improving our procedures, I would like to know if you: a. did not know of  http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1650/why-was-this-question-closed or b. did know of it but still posted here." CreationDate="2014-04-21T11:18:23.977" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7547" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="Hi Quid, My post follows Frank Thorne's question (using similar wordings) and Todd's remark that mentioned this thread. I agree with Todd that the question is unclear (and not merely &quot;slightly ambigious&quot;) but I think that the question reflects an issue which can be unclear to researchers in mathematics, and is thus research-level and should be welcome on MO. Of course, an endorsement to open not coming from the OP himself carries additional weight and I also want to endorse a policy of allowing umbigious questions of the kind a working mathematician occasionally have." CreationDate="2014-04-21T16:12:02.130" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="7548" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="Gil, I think such a policy is contrary to the goals of MathOverflow.  I think you should endorse a policy of encouraging a questioner to participate in improving their question.  This policy might mean a 48-hour hold before a &quot;soft-&quot; close of a question, but to have a new user ask something that needs improvement and does not respond to requests for that improvement is a situation that does not bode well for the forum.  Better to make a temporary edit on the new person's behalf, or close the question.  Gerhard &quot;Or Start A New Question&quot; Paseman, 2014.04.21" CreationDate="2014-04-21T17:07:14.360" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="7549" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="Right Gerhard, I certainly demand that the OP will make all possible effort to make his question clear before posing a vague question. But sometimes we encounter in our research/study  questions which are (or seem to be) inherently vague." CreationDate="2014-04-21T17:19:35.920" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="7552" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the detailed reply! To avoid all risk of misunderstanding, let me stress again that my question was not meant as indirect criticism of you posting here. As the thread exists, it is a reasonable usage of it." CreationDate="2014-04-21T19:32:50.120" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7553" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="Gil, it seems we are in general agreement.  When (the community of) MathOverflow is robust enough to handle such questions, then a more lenient policy can be adopted.  I think the current success is due to the fact that almost all of the unclosed questions are focused, ask for specific things, and require little or no discussion as to meaning (after the formulation has stabilized).  I think overestimating the robustness of the community is a real danger: supplementing vague questions with answerable portions may be a solution.  Gerhard &quot;Wants Success Without A Doubt&quot; Paseman, 2014.04.21" CreationDate="2014-04-21T20:20:13.927" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="7571" PostId="1652" Score="3" Text="I agree with Tobias. Referring to the OP as a &quot;professional mathematician&quot; is unwarranted and gilds the lily. The form of the question leaves little doubt that the OP is a student (&quot;recently studied algebra&quot;, etc.), and OP *still* hasn't bothered to clarify the question, and I still disagree with &quot;it is unclear in a way where it is possible to understand what the author is thinking&quot; -- one can only *guess* what he/she is thinking. Why this question is being given a pass is simply beyond me." CreationDate="2014-04-22T16:32:57.593" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7572" PostId="1652" Score="2" Text="My confusion guys, I thought that Frank Thorne is the OP. Sorry!" CreationDate="2014-04-22T17:34:44.080" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="7573" PostId="1652" Score="3" Text="I agree with Todd Trimble on this.  When a question is closed as unclear, and this one is admittedly so, then it makes sense to edit and clarify it before reopening (which may well be warranted here).  I am a little surprised that no one has bothered to edit this question, and yet it has been reopened." CreationDate="2014-04-22T17:53:39.930" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7574" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="Silly mistake! Sorry again, but at least I learned the expression &quot;gilds the lily. :)" CreationDate="2014-04-22T18:08:05.977" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="7554" PostId="1653" Score="0" Text="Please note that I was advocating on behalf of someone else's question -- I do agree that the question left room for improvement. Also, I agree that the question was very nicely posed and answered in the MSE link you mentioned!" CreationDate="2014-04-22T01:18:52.347" UserId="1050" />
  <row Id="7555" PostId="1653" Score="0" Text="@FrankThorne: I appreciate your point, which as I mentioned above is eminently reasonable." CreationDate="2014-04-22T01:55:41.073" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7557" PostId="1654" Score="5" Text="to be honest, if people post questions in their own argot and assume that pure mathematicians will understand them, it does not generally go well. I just answered a question on MSE, it took me quite a while to look up the terms, and that was in something called convex analysis that would be familiar to many here." CreationDate="2014-04-22T04:45:27.580" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7558" PostId="1654" Score="21" Text="If they have the mathematical sophistication of a professional mathematician and ask questions at the appropriate level (e.g. graduate school level mathematics and above), then they are welcome.  How would we tell the difference between them and ordinary professional mathematicians?  But for the vast majority of researchers in other areas I suspect that math.stackexchange.com would be a better fit." CreationDate="2014-04-22T04:46:48.797" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="7559" PostId="1654" Score="5" Text="If the barber who shaves only those who do not shave themselves is a woman, then she can refrain from shaving herself, without fear of contradiction." CreationDate="2014-04-22T06:03:58.663" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="7561" PostId="1654" Score="7" Text="Why the downvotes? It seems a perfectly reasonable question." CreationDate="2014-04-22T06:35:08.150" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7562" PostId="1654" Score="20" Text="@ScottMorrison I would suspect them to be due to the overly confrontational tone of the question." CreationDate="2014-04-22T07:25:48.157" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="7575" PostId="1654" Score="5" Text="I am a professional researcher. Hath not a professional researcher eyes? hath not a professional researcher hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a pure mathematician is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that." CreationDate="2014-04-22T20:02:20.687" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7576" PostId="1654" Score="1" Text="Act III, scene i." CreationDate="2014-04-22T20:17:17.470" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7587" PostId="1654" Score="7" Text="There are currently 110 users with reputations over 10,000.  Of those, at least 3 are not professional mathematicians, and I conjecture that this lower bound is not strict." CreationDate="2014-04-24T14:16:39.857" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="7602" PostId="1654" Score="3" Text="@Will: Answers to your questions, by order of paraphrasing Billy S: some do; most do; depends on the definition of &quot;food&quot;; yes; not quite; depends on the local health care system; depends on the geographic location (both winter and summer); let's try that and see; I'll take your word for it; yes, I think; I hope not, but I wasn't going to tempt you." CreationDate="2014-04-27T17:23:58.483" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7603" PostId="1654" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, now I've got to figure out who Billy S. might be. Meanwhile, I never read The Merchant of Venice. I did a college course twofer, Edmund Spenser and Christopher Marlowe. Marlowe I understood, Spenser not so much." CreationDate="2014-04-27T17:30:16.023" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7604" PostId="1654" Score="1" Text="@Will: We had a reasonable bottle of Merlot last night. My preference remains with the Cabernet Sauvignon (I'm not crazy about the 60-40 mixes either)." CreationDate="2014-04-27T17:32:16.707" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7605" PostId="1654" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, sure, in context, that makes perfect sense, explains everything. Wait, unless Billy S. is William Shakespeare? That works." CreationDate="2014-04-27T17:33:47.353" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="7606" PostId="1654" Score="1" Text="@Will: Recall that it's already night here. It is you who is living in the past. And yes for Billy S." CreationDate="2014-04-27T17:35:30.277" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11398" PostId="1655" Score="1" Text="Another thing not mentioned is that there should be brackets around math in the title, otherwise something like `How to prove $A \Rightarrow B$` will render as &quot;How to prove $a \rightarrow b$&quot;. The correct value would be `How to prove {$A \Rightarrow B$}`. (I found this post through math.SE, I cannot edit on meta.MO yet, and it's probably best to keep all the info gathered in one place.)" CreationDate="2015-10-03T15:37:06.397" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="22078" PostId="1655" Score="0" Text="It feels weird to not indicate that the citation is to an answer, not a question. In particular the question asker and answer giver are usually different people, so the cited person didn't actually write the main text in this citation." CreationDate="2020-05-01T12:45:34.387" UserId="5010" />
  <row Id="7567" PostId="1656" Score="3" Text="There is also [Cross Validated](http://stats.stackexchange.com/), [Mathematics Educators](http://matheducators.stackexchange.com/) (currently in public beta), and [History of Science and Mathematics](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/65204/history-of-science-and-mathematics) (currently in commitment)." CreationDate="2014-04-22T14:48:21.113" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="7568" PostId="1656" Score="3" Text="To add to the list there is also [Computational Science](http://scicomp.stackexchange.com/), which is a good place for applied numerical analysis and related things." CreationDate="2014-04-22T14:53:45.970" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7577" PostId="1657" Score="5" Text="See the answer to http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/13483/what-is-the-community-user-doing" CreationDate="2014-04-23T13:11:36.177" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="7578" PostId="1657" Score="2" Text="Ah. I guess that explains it. What a mess!" CreationDate="2014-04-23T13:15:36.263" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="7581" PostId="1657" Score="11" Text="&quot;*And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Community Bot, and Hell followed with him.*&quot; - Renovations 6:8, King SE Bible." CreationDate="2014-04-23T14:46:18.563" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7582" PostId="1657" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila &quot;The trouble with computers is that they're very sophisticated idiots&quot; -- Tom Baker, &quot;Robot&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-23T20:09:40.083" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="7583" PostId="1657" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi not sure this fits the situation." CreationDate="2014-04-23T20:31:06.737" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7584" PostId="1657" Score="0" Text="@Yemon: What quid said." CreationDate="2014-04-23T21:39:12.973" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7596" PostId="1661" Score="2" Text="Just curious, do you expect to have any active participation in the site except this meta thread?" CreationDate="2014-04-25T18:36:15.240" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7597" PostId="1661" Score="17" Text="No.  I'm a bit of a meta wanderer, and was trying to help." CreationDate="2014-04-25T18:37:04.823" UserId="4196" />
  <row Id="7598" PostId="1661" Score="2" Text="I see. Thanks..." CreationDate="2014-04-25T18:37:46.777" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7599" PostId="1661" Score="8" Text="I'm like you. Oh, new SE site? Create an account. It doesn't matter if I have no understanding of the topic whatsoever: I just always log in on SE sites, and if that means creating a new account then so be it." CreationDate="2014-04-25T21:30:07.030" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="9744" PostId="1661" Score="3" Text="I also suspect that this is the simplest approach to deal with this problem (if it is a problem), so I've upvoted it ... which I probably wouldn't be able to do if it were implemented." CreationDate="2015-02-02T21:29:43.240" UserId="5308" />
  <row Id="7607" PostId="1662" Score="4" Text="Well said, Kaveh." CreationDate="2014-04-27T19:29:59.930" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="7608" PostId="1664" Score="4" Text="I think there is a significant difference between the proverbial colleague and MathOverflow: the former (and likely you) are not recording the conversation you had, whereas MathOverflow does record things.  You and your readers thus have something that they can access and independently evaluate.  How much you reveal to the reader is also interpretable, but not as broadly.  I recommend at least listing the questions that were useful, if not also the answers.  Perhaps someone might see something you missed.  Gerhard &quot;MathOverflow Is Too An Entity&quot; Paseman, 2014.04.28" CreationDate="2014-04-28T16:51:54.913" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="7609" PostId="1664" Score="0" Text="Thank you. My question was about cases when something is almost verbatim taken from MO. My concern is, as @GerhardPaseman mentions, that in some cases when writing a paper you use copyrighted material. This you are free to use but common professional etiquette is to mention the source, even if only vaguely as general thanks." CreationDate="2014-04-28T18:07:28.997" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="7628" PostId="1664" Score="0" Text="Gehrard, good point. Each time I thank someone for an argument he gave me on MO, I will also give the question number so that the reader can easily see for himself." CreationDate="2014-04-30T15:06:26.670" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="7611" PostId="1666" Score="0" Text="There presently is a mechanism for hiding an edit from everyone but the creator until approved/stale/whatever. Having a comment be visible to the creator only for about 5 minutes, and then giving him 5 more minutes of edit time seems like a worthwhile compromise that should involve filtering more than synchronization.  I would appreciate 5 more minutes at the cost of the initial entry not being viewable for 5 minutes.  It could be a user chosen behaviour even." CreationDate="2014-04-29T15:56:51.983" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7614" PostId="1666" Score="2" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger what would be the pupose of this? Also suggested edit, which is what I assume you refer to, somewhat lock the post, which seems like a nonoption for the comment thread. What you propose seems a lot more problematic than the original suggestion regarding the creation of surreal conversations. If anything, why not just a preview for comments?" CreationDate="2014-04-29T17:51:47.220" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7619" PostId="1666" Score="0" Text="@quid, I don't mind a properly implemented preview for comments.  Right now I am using a virtual keyboard on this device which has delete key next to return (for comments, this means &quot;submit&quot;) key.  Despite my best efforts, I often have less than five minutes to finish my comment because of an accidental submit. As far as I know, the feature I suggest does not involve locking, only filtering.  Also, many who submit comments do so before previewing anyway. My suggestion is a poor and hopefully quick compromise to the problem suggested in the question." CreationDate="2014-04-30T03:31:40.773" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7627" PostId="1666" Score="1" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger if the problem you actually want to solve is that you accidentally submit a comment you should focus on this. AFAIK there are userscripts to modify the submit on return behavior." CreationDate="2014-04-30T11:43:10.293" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7636" PostId="1666" Score="0" Text="I dont see why it should be difficult to make comments editable without time restriction: just remove the restriction of this feature to moderators and make it possible to any user on MathOverflow." CreationDate="2014-05-02T18:22:45.240" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="7615" PostId="1667" Score="8" Text="The problem is that non-mathematicians have no idea what &quot;research-level&quot; means.  And in my opinion the phrase &quot;research-level&quot; is also not quite accurate.  I don't think it is necessary that a question arise from research, but rather that it of an appropriate level of difficulty and asked with the sophistication that one would expect from a professional mathematician." CreationDate="2014-04-30T02:33:27.257" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="7616" PostId="1667" Score="0" Text="Except part of the goal is to service people who are not yet professional mathematicians (those in Ph.D. programs) and need help that is likely to come only from people who &quot;smell like&quot; professional mathematicians. It may be an improvement (and still inaccurate) to say the content is about professional mathematics." CreationDate="2014-04-30T02:58:45.473" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7617" PostId="1667" Score="22" Text="PhD students are &quot;professionals&quot;.  They just aren't being paid very well." CreationDate="2014-04-30T03:01:17.000" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="7618" PostId="1667" Score="0" Text="If first year graduate students are &quot;professional mathematicians&quot;, what is all this fuss about oral examinations and dissertations?  I think I should agree to disagree with you on this matter." CreationDate="2014-04-30T03:20:37.203" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7620" PostId="1667" Score="4" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger : Aren't they being paid to do mathematics?" CreationDate="2014-04-30T04:04:08.010" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="7621" PostId="1667" Score="0" Text="Not the ones I know.  They may be paid to teach and assist in projects.  Some few may get research assistantships. Based on insufficient data I would say less than half are paid to &quot;create mathematics&quot;, and most who are paid are paid to make studying economically feasible until they reach the point of creating mathematics.  I am willing to look at well founded studies that say otherwise." CreationDate="2014-04-30T04:10:06.877" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7622" PostId="1667" Score="2" Text="Regardless of paycheck size, I take issue with the part of your comment that suggests to me that a questioner must from the start ask questions in the way professional mathematicians would.  My observations are that Joseph O'Rourke and others on MathOverflow ask questions that are engaging, and could easily be presented by nonprofessionals.  Further, such questions contribute to this forum and eventually to professional mathematics, but they don't start out that way, nor should they." CreationDate="2014-04-30T04:16:50.093" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7623" PostId="1667" Score="1" Text="To  beat this issue into the ground, suppose I ask &quot;Hey, I got this neato idea! Instead of looking at the dynamics of euclids gcd algorithm a_i+2= a_i mod a_i+1, howzabout we mix it up and look at how long it takes to get to zero usin a_i+1 = a_0 mod a_i? Can u help me?&quot; I won't do it for two reasons: I am still reeling from adopting that style of asking, and it would get closed as a duplicate as Jeffrey Shallit has already asked it, in a for me more acceptable fashion." CreationDate="2014-04-30T04:32:07.590" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7624" PostId="1667" Score="0" Text="I am for encouraging people to ask good questions using good wording, but to insist that everyone get it right on the first or second go seems a bit too extreme to me.  That may not be your position, but it is part of my take on your initial comment @Andy." CreationDate="2014-04-30T04:36:46.553" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7625" PostId="1667" Score="8" Text="Two points: 1. every SE site has a &quot;target audience&quot; **and** an &quot;on topic&quot;, as variables in some database, and various parts of the documentation are not free form but coded as: This site is for [target audience] to ask about [on topic], Is you question abou [on topic]? and so on.  Of course things like this also can be changed. But still it is worth noting that  not everything is free form and this also has some advantage for maintainance. In any case we *need* to specifiy a &quot;target audience&quot;, which is currently professional mathematicians, while the &quot;on topic&quot; is research-level mathematics." CreationDate="2014-04-30T08:06:24.117" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7626" PostId="1667" Score="11" Text="2. The target audience used to be &quot;mathematcians&quot; but this then caused issues as people did not understand the scope of site and then complained to us why we do not make it more precise. So, after considerable and repeated discussions the target audience was changed to what it is now, not out of some 'snobbery' but to solve a specific problem, that of people understanding (wrongly!) the site to be just about any reasonable math problem (somewhat like Stack Overflow for coding).  The 'professional' specifically was agreed on also as it is also used by other SE sites." CreationDate="2014-04-30T08:10:46.597" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7629" PostId="1668" Score="1" Text="I think the question in its current form is actually quite bad, but the additions from the comments by the OP help. Specifically, it asks how he can prove something that he only suspects to be true, rather than asking whether it is true. And with no further details, the question is way too specific (I mean, if I was to ask the same question about the same polynomials except I change one coefficient in one of them, why would that not also be an equally good question?)" CreationDate="2014-04-30T19:24:38.347" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="7630" PostId="1668" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft:  I think if you change the coefficients it would still be an interesting question, as I mention in my comment.  The general question, of which the original one is a special case, is unclear to me.  The current question is clearly stated, and the answer is not at all obvious.  You may not be interested in the question, which is fine, but note that the question was closed as being not up to research level (without indicating any answer)." CreationDate="2014-04-30T19:32:16.517" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7631" PostId="1668" Score="0" Text="I agree that the general type of question is of interest. But focusing on a special case is not unless that special case has some additional property, either coming from something else or for some reason being &quot;generic&quot;. An answer to this question that would not work for any other set of polynomials at all would for example be completely uninteresting, but answer the question." CreationDate="2014-04-30T19:38:29.070" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="7632" PostId="1668" Score="2" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: I think you are wrong here, but of course you are entitled to your opinion." CreationDate="2014-04-30T19:39:52.983" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7637" PostId="1671" Score="0" Text="If a post such as the above is frowned on at MO, please let me know and I will remove it. I can also post the suggested tag excerpt/wiki here on MO Meta if preferred, but I thought it might be better to keep the discussion in one place." CreationDate="2014-05-02T20:29:12.243" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="7638" PostId="1671" Score="1" Text="In  some cases that involves making an account.  While much of the dialogue may happen elsewhere, be prepared for some of it to happen here." CreationDate="2014-05-02T21:37:41.467" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7645" PostId="1672" Score="1" Text="Thanks, David.  I just wanted to say that the question about the four color theorem was less about Coq and more of a `reference-request`, asking where I could find the code that the authors mentioned in their paper but didn't link, so I'm not sure that it really fits into this discussion.  And either way this discussion comes out, I don't have any other Coq questions to ask at present, so nobody need fear a flood from me :)" CreationDate="2014-05-03T06:24:58.380" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="7646" PostId="1672" Score="1" Text="As it happens, I disagree with quid's comment about &quot;bad form&quot;.  As far as I know, the rough consensus about cancellation did not specify that one should wait for a vote to close before casting a vote against." CreationDate="2014-05-03T06:59:34.540" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="7648" PostId="1672" Score="1" Text="@S.Carnahan as you know, the &quot;cancellation&quot; voting in comments got discontinued, among others at least so my understandingfor this precise reason.  The penultimate comment the relevant [tea thread](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/506/2/proposal-for-your-consideration-vote-trading/) (by Andrew Stacey) contains &quot;I don't like the &quot;pre-emptive&quot; votes to stay open. If someone feels that a question is in danger of being closed, but no-one has actually voted to close yet then the right thing to do is start a meta thread and link to it.&quot; (cont.)" CreationDate="2014-05-03T11:59:38.943" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7649" PostId="1672" Score="1" Text="The final comment then was by Anton Geraschenko that basically suggested that the entire practice is abandonded and people post on meta instead. But likely I should have written some conisder it as bad form (I think I could come up with some other quotes), instead of the more assertive statement.  ( @S.Carnahan )" CreationDate="2014-05-03T12:04:36.727" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7654" PostId="1672" Score="0" Text="I have also posted two (or more?) Coq questions but for some reason I didn't notice there was a tag." CreationDate="2014-05-04T04:12:19.900" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="26804" PostId="1672" Score="0" Text="@darijgrinberg , Nate, S. Carnahan, in case if any of you hadn't seen this yet: Stack Exchange will very soon be launching a brand new site dedicated to computer-assisted proofs: please use [my referral link here](https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/126242/proof-assistants?referrer=NTRhZDg2NmY5M2E5MGIyNzdkYzE3MTVjOTI3NDAzYWUwNWE2YWU2MWJhODZiNTZiZjA3YzZmYmIyNjRiOGU0Zk9eSzWyRDBUlkou8cvXPlWh6WgtP3_6CzAiBNmO_7K10) if you're considering to get an invitation to the Private Beta! I also posted on Meta about this." CreationDate="2022-01-16T04:54:10.750" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="7660" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="Thanks, quid. I agree with your points, and I also agree it's better to make them here in meta. I wasn't planning for a discussion to erupt in the comments section :-) Accepting this for the sake of agreeing, other answers still welcome." CreationDate="2014-05-04T23:51:25.013" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="7666" PostId="1673" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the reply. I know well how such things evolve. My initial comment was a bit rushed, and came out harsher than intended. Sorry about that." CreationDate="2014-05-05T15:09:34.520" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7661" PostId="1677" Score="9" Text="Why? Why shouldn't someone new to MO be allowed to set a bounty?" CreationDate="2014-05-05T05:55:45.087" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="7663" PostId="1677" Score="2" Text="I imagine that you are thinking of users using bounties to keep bad questions from being closed. If this is the case, note that a bounty cannot be put on a question until that question is 48 hours old, which is more than enough time for the regular MO users to close such questions. (See the [MSE bounty faq](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/16065/214632).)" CreationDate="2014-05-05T07:28:56.543" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="7681" PostId="1677" Score="3" Text="@GerryMyerson, setting a bounty is a privilege, which calls attention to a question, and I find it distracting rather than stimulating to give new users that privilege.  In particular, it distracts me when I look at &quot;featured questions&quot; and find questions that that do not warrant featuring.  *Why should there be a reputation requirement for setting bounties at all?*  Your answer there may answer your own question too." CreationDate="2014-05-07T21:12:51.280" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="23914" PostId="1677" Score="0" Text="The bounty here is a good example: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/369520/definability-of-ordinals-in-various-signatures" CreationDate="2020-08-25T13:50:42.223" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="7662" PostId="1678" Score="1" Text="I highly doubt that the SE folks can easily separate the &quot;create posts&quot; privilege into &quot;ask question&quot; and &quot;post answer&quot; sub-privileges, so requiring additional rep to post a new question is likely a non-starter. I also don't see a way to implement a &quot;look around for a while&quot; requirement that would actually have any force. Unfortunately, there is probably no effective way to stop bad questions from being asked, but downvoting bad questions can remove them from the front page in a short time." CreationDate="2014-05-05T07:24:34.047" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="7664" PostId="1678" Score="0" Text="@ArthurFischer It might be something different from reputation - any kind of measurable activity maybe just to ensure that the user has at least browsed MO for some time...&#xA;&#xA;(Not that I know what it should be)" CreationDate="2014-05-05T13:10:58.877" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7665" PostId="1678" Score="26" Text="This has been discussed before.  But there is the argument: Any measure that discourages first-time askers will drive away not only  bad questioners, but would also be unwelcoming to well-known mathematicians who arrive for the first time.  Especially older ones not familiar with on-line participation." CreationDate="2014-05-05T14:09:39.333" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="7667" PostId="1678" Score="1" Text="@ArthurFischer  I think the separating of posting privileges should not be that much of a technical problem as it is in fact done in other contexts, eg, limitation on number of questions and certain types of bans. That being said I agree the idea is not feasible." CreationDate="2014-05-05T15:49:31.600" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7683" PostId="1678" Score="2" Text="dislike use of word &quot;bad&quot; for questions that merely (in se terminology) go &quot;on hold&quot; and/or the conflation of these two distinct concepts." CreationDate="2014-05-08T23:30:53.223" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="7670" PostId="1679" Score="13" Text="Do you have data to back up your statement &quot;The vast majority of new users contribute constructively and appropriately&quot;.  My impression is that most first time users ask a poor question that is closed quickly and do not return. This is just an impression, though." CreationDate="2014-05-06T01:46:14.080" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="7674" PostId="1679" Score="2" Text="There is excellent advice on writing a better question in this page: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/882/how-to-write-a-good-mathoverflow-question . It's a shame that it is not as accessible or visible to new users as it was on the old site (the &quot;how to ask&quot; link at the top of every page)." CreationDate="2014-05-06T13:54:55.300" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="7676" PostId="1679" Score="0" Text="@BillJohnson, you're right that I overstated the point. I'll think about what data might be available, in any case. The main problem is that deleted questions disappear from the readily available data sources." CreationDate="2014-05-06T20:11:41.383" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7684" PostId="1679" Score="1" Text="A histogram of &quot;reputation of first question&quot; would be informative, if someone is willing to produce it. Perhaps also &quot;percentage of first questions with an upvoted answer&quot;." CreationDate="2014-05-09T01:20:28.673" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="7672" PostId="1680" Score="0" Text="I know next to nothing about cellular automata or PDE, but I don’t see anything wrong with the question, this sounds like a straightforward reference request." CreationDate="2014-05-06T13:22:14.333" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="7673" PostId="1680" Score="7" Text="I would suggest adding to the body of the question some more details on what you have in mind, as PDEs are a very large subject. You should also be more clear about what you mean by &quot;on closed curves.&quot; Also, presumably you did a search on cellular automata and PDE (in google even). Did you find anything? Perhaps you have already read http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/882/how-to-write-a-good-mathoverflow-question . Expanding on the question with that advice in mind may make it more successful." CreationDate="2014-05-06T13:51:31.200" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="7675" PostId="1680" Score="5" Text="As an academic question it is reasonable; as a successful question for MO, it should be more specific.  Revealing more detail about your motivation would help, as would narrowing the scope,  e.g. hyperbolic equation, Dirichlet problem, even Not a Dirichlet problem." CreationDate="2014-05-06T16:49:35.383" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7680" PostId="1680" Score="0" Text="CAs have a lot of serious/deep research but maybe not exactly in the way you describe. CAs are digital, how can they be applied to continuous curves?" CreationDate="2014-05-07T20:21:14.853" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="7682" PostId="1680" Score="5" Text="If you ask the question that way, I would vote to close. It feels like a fishing expedition and not a real question. Are there reasons why you suspect there is such a connection? You should mention these reasons as explicitly as possible. Even better if you know of any literature where cellular automata have been applied to related concepts, something concrete that would indicate that there is some hope for this to be the case." CreationDate="2014-05-08T06:20:33.000" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="7770" PostId="1680" Score="0" Text="The following related question was bumped today: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/87612/solving-pde-via-cellular-automata perhaps there's something of use to you in the answers" CreationDate="2014-05-14T17:25:03.863" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="7678" PostId="1682" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  I guess a reason to keep the question at MO for a while is to help people find the pointer to MSE if they've previously noticed the MO question.  I can see some purpose for doing that.  I'll accept your answer once the question is automatically deleted.  Regarding potential double MSE voting: I assume that is handled via a user's network profile, which seems reasonable to me." CreationDate="2014-05-07T10:04:11.627" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7679" PostId="1682" Score="0" Text="There's another reason. Suppose you migrate a question, and it gets closed. In that case the question is bounced back to the origin site (MO, in this case). But I believe this can only occur within a given timeframe after migration." CreationDate="2014-05-07T13:27:50.000" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7713" PostId="1682" Score="0" Text="You raise a very interesting question. I may take it up with the devs." CreationDate="2014-05-09T20:12:22.280" UserId="13832" />
  <row Id="7714" PostId="1682" Score="0" Text="@Alex: I believe that once I tested that, and I did manage double voting (nothing that wasn't worth the trouble), but it's still worth a look. (I used to have a long list of loopholes in the system that I liked to keep to myself, many are gone by now, though.)" CreationDate="2014-05-09T20:26:42.000" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7690" PostId="1683" Score="27" Text="I think it is sensationalist and akin to the crowds following Brian Cohen around crying &quot;he has given us a sign!... he has given us a shoe!&quot;" CreationDate="2014-05-09T11:36:03.770" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="7694" PostId="1683" Score="2" Text="I think it is better to let the question remain open for receiving any possible answers in future. Who knows who will see it and what they have to tell us?" CreationDate="2014-05-09T14:49:05.333" UserDisplayName="user45939" />
  <row Id="7695" PostId="1683" Score="26" Text="I don't really see the point of the question, and consider it a little creepy.  If a mathematician wants to contribute anonymously, they should be allowed to contribute anonymously.  Otherwise we should consider it okay to ask MO questions like &quot;what is the real name of quid?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-05-09T14:52:51.533" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="7699" PostId="1683" Score="2" Text="Dear Joël: Didn't you forget to end the sentence starting with &quot;On the other hand,&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-05-09T15:19:27.730" UserId="461" />
  <row Id="7701" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="@Pierre-YvesGaillard quid posted and deleted an answer here. I think Joël's sentence is about quid's answer." CreationDate="2014-05-09T15:36:34.393" UserDisplayName="user45939" />
  <row Id="7702" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="@Konrad - Dear Konrad: Thanks! I still hope Joël will edit his post..." CreationDate="2014-05-09T15:43:15.157" UserId="461" />
  <row Id="7703" PostId="1683" Score="1" Text="@Konrad OP was never edited. Whatever the reason it can hardly been my answer." CreationDate="2014-05-09T16:05:52.647" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7762" PostId="1683" Score="5" Text="I put a historical lock on the question. As justification, I feel that most of the criteria listed here -- http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126587/what-is-a-historical-lock-and-what-is-it-used-for -- were met (it was in the middle of a reopen-delete war when I applied the lock). But another major consideration was the history of the OP which in my opinion has been highly problematic; I thought it would be best to freeze the controversy where it is (where it now becomes archival) and move on. We can of course still discuss this action." CreationDate="2014-05-13T21:16:42.767" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7715" PostId="1685" Score="1" Text="Hi Willie. I have a concern with point 3: I have struggled a fair bit coming up with an answerable research problem, as there aren't too many low-hanging fruit left in my area of research. If I describe quite a few details, how do I know someone (more capable than myself) won't simply make it *their* research project, publishing much earlier than myself? It's very selfish of me to think, but I would like some practical advice on that point in particular. The other two points will fall in place naturally as I write a more detailed question." CreationDate="2014-05-09T22:44:56.077" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="7739" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="@user89: (a) if it is indeed a low hanging fruit, you are essentially describing security by obscurity and it is something that cannot be counted on. (b) Most people here would be personally embarrassed to try to scoop a student. (c) If you are really worried, don't ask on MO. Ask your advisor, or ask your advisor to recommend some people to ask, or ask members of your local math department. (d) Is this going to be your thesis? If not, most mathematicians are not so great in bio-engineering, so maybe you can try to get a joint paper." CreationDate="2014-05-12T07:06:31.040" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="7740" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="Some tangentially related discussion to point (a) above over at tea: http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1230/what-to-do-if-someone-asks-your-thesis-question/ http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1498/discussing-work-in-progress-in-answers/" CreationDate="2014-05-12T07:07:07.610" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="7752" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your time kindness. I will take all of this information into account if I decide to write out a more detailed question on MO." CreationDate="2014-05-12T23:22:26.867" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="7692" PostId="1686" Score="5" Text="I don't understand the argument why because the answer is &quot;it is unknown&quot; that means the question is bad. Plenty of MO questions are of the form &quot;is this estimate in number theory known&quot; or similar, and often the response is &quot;that is equivalent to an open question.&quot; On the other hand, if the questioner had asked whether Noga Alon has any pseudonymous papers, that has a straightforward answer, and so I guess would be a fine question except that there is already: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/45185/pseudonyms-of-famous-mathematicians" CreationDate="2014-05-09T14:18:50.623" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="7693" PostId="1686" Score="4" Text="@SamHopkins Thanks for pointing out the famous mathematician pseudonym question.  Is there any sense in which the existence of that question does not make the current question redundant?" CreationDate="2014-05-09T14:26:24.997" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="7696" PostId="1686" Score="3" Text="@SamHopkins – Too bad the question is now [on hold], otherwise we could have retagged it with &quot;Open problem&quot;!" CreationDate="2014-05-09T14:57:45.003" UserId="21815" />
  <row Id="7697" PostId="1686" Score="4" Text="I tend to agree, and had considered writing something similar myself about the non-falsifiability. The only way I could see the OP being satisfied by a (presumably disappointing?) answer of 'no' would be from someone whose authority he trusts, and who would that be, and what would the evidence be besides &quot;argument from authority&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-05-09T15:11:14.317" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7709" PostId="1686" Score="3" Text="&quot;What would the evidence be?&quot; There is the biography by Scharlau, see [here](http://www.scharlau-online.de/ag_1.html), based on extensive interviews. Anyway, the (finally closed) question is redundant, and asked in a very unprofessional manner." CreationDate="2014-05-09T17:29:41.090" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="7712" PostId="1686" Score="2" Text="Indeed, Andres. I pause to wonder whether it's just an elaborate joke." CreationDate="2014-05-09T18:32:37.443" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7748" PostId="1686" Score="0" Text="@Todd, you may want to add a comment here (not under this answer, but rather under Joël's original post, for the sake of visibility) indicating that the question is now locked, and perhaps mentioning what led you to do this." CreationDate="2014-05-12T19:43:14.547" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="7751" PostId="1686" Score="1" Text="@AndresCaicedo: done." CreationDate="2014-05-12T22:16:23.033" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7760" PostId="1686" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble what is &quot;done&quot;? I cannot find anything." CreationDate="2014-05-13T15:17:54.180" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7763" PostId="1686" Score="1" Text="@quid: sorry, I had stupidly misread Andres's suggestion. I put a comment under Joël's question above." CreationDate="2014-05-13T21:19:29.660" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7698" PostId="1687" Score="8" Text="I disagree. Joël among others has given a good reason for why the question has problems, and it has nothing to do with &quot;strict adherence to some rule&quot;. (As an aside, how widespread is this rumor, anyway? It looks a little tabloid-y to me, in the manner of the defunct Weekly World News.)" CreationDate="2014-05-09T15:18:57.267" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7700" PostId="1687" Score="9" Text="I also disagree.  Also, I think the &quot;some rule&quot; comment is a little silly -- you can always manufacture a rule to explain any action.  For example, Leo Alonso's comment could be motivated by the &quot;celebrities are not people&quot; rule, and so their intention to remain anonymous should not be respected." CreationDate="2014-05-09T15:33:58.137" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="7741" PostId="1687" Score="3" Text="With &quot;some rule&quot; I meant there are too many questions closed in this forum, but I know you were going to disagree anyway... In any case what the people is interested in, I think, is in Grothendieck's unpublished work." CreationDate="2014-05-12T08:30:15.317" UserId="6348" />
  <row Id="7716" PostId="1689" Score="3" Text="It appears as if your account was somehow deleted." CreationDate="2014-05-10T06:03:21.757" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7717" PostId="1689" Score="3" Text="Find one of your old posts and link to it here, to get an idea of what happened it is important to see which user owns your posts now. And it is certainly possible to get back your old account, though you likely have to contact SE to do that." CreationDate="2014-05-10T06:58:32.863" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="7720" PostId="1690" Score="4" Text="@Konrad There is no point in speculating about it further here; as quid says, this is something that is strictly between you and the moderators. I suggest that you follow quid's step 1 and possibly 2 carefully." CreationDate="2014-05-10T12:10:18.010" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7723" PostId="1691" Score="0" Text="I repeat that suspensions or deletions of individual accounts are not up for public discussion or debate, so I am somewhat doubtful about the merits of a suspension tag. (See the edit to my answer.) If any of my fellow moderators disagrees and feels there should be a suspension tag, then I expect he will chime in." CreationDate="2014-05-10T14:13:10.660" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7725" PostId="1692" Score="1" Text="+1, Scott. Can I just clarify one thing, though? It was probably unclear that I was speaking sort of over Konrad's head to the community as a whole, and saying that there is this other entity besides the MO-moderation team who might be of assistance in unusual situations. I completely agree with Scott that for various reasons which will go unmentioned unless he really wants to press it, Konrad's particular case will not fare well if he decided to take that route." CreationDate="2014-05-10T22:51:09.310" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7729" PostId="1692" Score="9" Text="For the bystanders, my suspicion is that this 'Konrad' account is the same person as an account long banned on MathOverflow. I won't detail the evidence for this suspicion at this point." CreationDate="2014-05-11T00:19:21.110" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7730" PostId="1692" Score="5" Text="For this person, if in fact they are listening behind 'Konrad', let me make clear that there is _no route_ for reinstating your use of MathOverflow. You have been banned permanently. I am willing to defend this ban in public if need be, but I very much doubt it will be a productive exercise." CreationDate="2014-05-11T00:21:29.847" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7734" PostId="1693" Score="9" Text="So what you're saying is that if your suspension is not lifted, then you'll lie and cheat to circumvent it, so it would take less time and effort to just adjust to your presence.  That's a really pathetic argument.  Please go away and leave us alone.  I pity the poor moderators who have to put up with this kind of bs." CreationDate="2014-05-11T04:58:21.597" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="7735" PostId="1693" Score="3" Text="I imagine this site has quite a negative influence on your work and life. You should try to pursue your mathematical interests in a different, more productive way. In any case, you should likely *completely* avoid this site for an extended period of time." CreationDate="2014-05-11T08:25:18.630" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7737" PostId="1693" Score="4" Text="I'm undeleting this post, to preserve the historical record..." CreationDate="2014-05-11T21:55:07.020" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7738" PostId="1694" Score="5" Text="I don't know what the downvote signifies; my guess is that it means &quot;this question is not welcome here.&quot; However, it's an honest question, and I was the one who suggested that the OP come here for enlightenment." CreationDate="2014-05-12T05:37:48.827" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7746" PostId="1694" Score="2" Text="An observation: you significantly changed the question (after closure) without *any* explanation. This is a bit strange." CreationDate="2014-05-12T19:01:57.217" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7757" PostId="1694" Score="0" Text="I have changed the question just because I found a better inequality from which the earlier inequality would follow. Note that my earlier post was also taken from AoPS and it was also posted by the same author." CreationDate="2014-05-13T07:50:49.123" UserDisplayName="user48849" />
  <row Id="7759" PostId="1694" Score="2" Text="I see that on MSE you got an answer for your problem along the lines I sketched below.  Since you seem unsatisfied with that too (from your comment to that answer, and mine), my suggestion would be to ask the AoPS proposer what he/she had in mind.  Quid made the interesting point that your original question (which was really the one that was closed) was different and much easier.  It could be that the AoPS proposer intended people to be able to solve that question, and the harder problem was to get people to think more and be challenged.  I definitely think you should ask the AoPS proposer." CreationDate="2014-05-13T14:07:25.663" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7769" PostId="1694" Score="0" Text="The question has now been (perfunctorily) edited, and as I said below I have voted to reopen it.  Others can judge whether it really merits reopening or not." CreationDate="2014-05-14T15:12:36.827" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7851" PostId="1696" Score="5" Text="&quot;Would anyone here be offended if such a question was asked about them?&quot; I think perhaps it is relevant that Grothendieck is *not* here, and his motives and desires are (explicitly) different from the average motives and desires of our community." CreationDate="2014-05-19T10:40:45.447" UserId="10231" />
  <row Id="7745" PostId="1697" Score="2" Text="That's a much clearer formulation (for me) -- thanks, Lucia. I'm not terribly familiar with AoPS, and so I don't know whether problems are posted with the idea that they are known to have simple, elegant solutions, or if all manner of questions are posted, some perhaps not meeting this criterion." CreationDate="2014-05-12T18:46:01.400" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7747" PostId="1697" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble I am not very familiar with that site either but: I am under the impression they have various categories and this one was posted in 'Number Theory Proposed &amp; Own problems' without any source (often sources are given). Thus it seems likely this was created by the person posting there. If one would want to know something about the problem one might ask *them*. It was posted there only two days ago. Generally speaking I completely fail to see the point of somebody reposting a problem from there here." CreationDate="2014-05-12T19:20:47.140" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7749" PostId="1697" Score="0" Text="Even using results of Dusart, I would not call the derivation elementary." CreationDate="2014-05-12T21:56:49.620" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7750" PostId="1697" Score="1" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger: I don't understand your comment.  I clarified that the prime number theorem with a strong error term (main terms $+O(x/(\log x)^3)$) say, could be proved elementarily in the sense of avoiding complex analysis, but not in the sense of being simple." CreationDate="2014-05-12T22:04:32.590" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7754" PostId="1697" Score="0" Text="@Lucia, I will explain it in detail if you wish (but I don't think it will help you much).  However, I made it for the benefit of Todd Trimble, to suggest that even if the original poster were given Dusart's recent results, the derivation of &quot;there is a prime in  between x and x +pi(x)&quot; from that I wohld not consider as elementary." CreationDate="2014-05-13T00:41:20.507" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7756" PostId="1697" Score="0" Text="@Lucia: Note that the problem was posted in the *Olympiad Section*. The author may have wanted that the problem to be solved by undergraduate tools and so he (or she) posted it to AoPS. **In fact I mentioned the name of AoPS only to stress this aspect**. If you have seen the link that I have given regarding my progress on the proof, then you must have noticed that I have only mentioned some trivial elementary results as my 'progress'. If I would intend to use analytic approach I could do so but if the problem would have a 'simple' solution it would be quite fascinating." CreationDate="2014-05-13T07:49:31.490" UserDisplayName="user48849" />
  <row Id="7761" PostId="1697" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger My benefit? I don't quite follow. I never used the word 'elementary' (which has a technical meaning already mentioned by Lucia). I'm sure you're right that no simple solution exists; the main beneficiary of your insight would probably be William Hilbert." CreationDate="2014-05-13T20:54:39.193" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="23608" PostId="1697" Score="0" Text="Who is William Hilbert?" CreationDate="2020-08-05T22:32:46.610" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="7764" PostId="1698" Score="3" Text="The first number is a change in the ranking (that is, you moved 1206 positions up). The change of reputation points as such is in fact the last column." CreationDate="2014-05-14T09:07:49.760" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="7766" PostId="1698" Score="0" Text="Thanks, now I understand" CreationDate="2014-05-14T09:10:37.500" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7765" PostId="1699" Score="0" Text="I see, thank you. Is this explained anywhere?" CreationDate="2014-05-14T09:09:35.190" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="7768" PostId="1699" Score="1" Text="You are welcome. I added some more info where this is mentioned." CreationDate="2014-05-14T09:16:25.720" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7775" PostId="1700" Score="0" Text="I’d say that in the situation you describe (someone already gave an answer that you find lacking), vote and answer is the natural thing to do." CreationDate="2014-05-15T13:57:40.283" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="7776" PostId="1700" Score="2" Text="That is, I wouldn’t answer a question that I consider inappropriate just because I think I can give a better answer than what is already there, but if I find the existing answer misleading or that it would not be good to leave it alone on public record for any reason, I might give an additional answer. The decision whether to vote to close should be made independently. (This is meant as an abstract discussion, I do not want to judge the specifics of this particular case.)" CreationDate="2014-05-15T14:20:59.113" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="7777" PostId="1700" Score="1" Text="But maybe it should be noted that in this specific case the existing answer was not really lacking or misleading. It was perhaps pitched at a slightly higher level than necessary." CreationDate="2014-05-15T14:58:33.490" UserId="35840" />
  <row Id="7778" PostId="1700" Score="0" Text="I was just writing exactly what Derek said: the existing answer was completely correct, but someone who could follow that answer wouldn't have asked the question in the first place.  My purpose was just to translate the answer into more accessible language." CreationDate="2014-05-15T15:00:48.553" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7780" PostId="1700" Score="6" Text="In my opinion, it seems completely fine to try to help someone by answering their question, even if the question itself may be unsuitable for MO.  For example, the question could be migrated to MSE, and the answer would still be useful there.  (Note I don't mean things like obvious homework or very silly questions ...)" CreationDate="2014-05-15T15:42:27.783" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7782" PostId="1700" Score="2" Text="Thank you very much Lucia, that is exactly what I was thinking.  I realize I could have waited until after it was migrated before posting an answer, but I probably would have forgotten to do so.  I just wanted to record the answer while it was on my mind." CreationDate="2014-05-15T15:48:46.523" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7784" PostId="1700" Score="1" Text="This is a bit orthogonal but still related: IMO, we should rather avoid to migrate completely anwered questions. I am pretty sure some on the target site do not like this, and there the discussion could arise that somebody got a head start on the question via answering it here, and then  migrating it to math.SE." CreationDate="2014-05-15T17:03:31.577" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7789" PostId="1700" Score="1" Text="Sidenote: As the discussion here shows, it is clearly not taboo, as that would mean it was something the community was unwilling to even discuss (the term &quot;frowned upon&quot; as used in the actual question is a much better choice)." CreationDate="2014-05-15T17:34:06.437" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="7803" PostId="1700" Score="2" Text="@quid: you make a potentially important point, which I think merits its own meta question.  I personally do not agree with you, since to my mind if someone asks a reasonable math question that is just a bit below research-level, then I'm happy to try to help that person by providing an answer.  I don't see the answering of questions as some kind of race in which one can get a head start, I just see it as a way of sharing one's knowledge for the benefit of others.  So I don't think people should be unhappy to see that somebody provided a useful answer to someone else's question." CreationDate="2014-05-16T00:41:35.810" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7804" PostId="1700" Score="2" Text="Well, I am glad you started this discussion. It seems that the community does not view the issue nearly as unambiguously as I thought." CreationDate="2014-05-16T10:36:17.040" UserId="35416" />
  <row Id="7806" PostId="1700" Score="0" Text="Other people are doing the same in a question voted -4&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;[What is the prime factorization of these ridiculously big superior highly composite numbers?](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/165985/what-is-the-prime-factorization-of-these-ridiculously-big-superior-highly-compos)" CreationDate="2014-05-16T12:49:20.513" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="7808" PostId="1700" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the feedback. I might raise the issue latter and/or write something more detailed with a different focus here. For the moment, I just want to note that I am not sure what would be the exact point of disagreemnt. I said we should not migrate answered questions, since I believe some (personally I do not care, I am hardly on that site, and even if I would be, I still would not mind) on math.SE will not like it, giving one possible objection somebody might raise. You say you are happy to help. But how is the migration necessary or relevant to this?" CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:08:30.517" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7809" PostId="1700" Score="0" Text="The migration is a maitainance taks, when doing this I think one should consider the interests of both sites involved. One can still reasonably disagree here (and perhaps the objections I mention would not be raised [unlikely] or should be considered as invalid [perhaps]), what is the best course of action, but I fail to see any argument in what you wrote for *migrating* answered questions." CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:08:46.717" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7815" PostId="1700" Score="3" Text="I have run into similar situations on this site. My usual practice if I want to answer, but the question is not suitable for this site, is to leave a comment to the effect of &quot;Once this is migrated to math.SE, or if you ask it there right now, I'll be glad to write an answer there&quot;." CreationDate="2014-05-17T13:04:05.467" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="7779" PostId="1701" Score="4" Text="Of course I don't feel I have a privileged right to answer a question, nor do I have any desire to have such a right.  I just thought I could do something that would help somebody.  It's strange to get attacked so viciously for doing that." CreationDate="2014-05-15T15:27:51.607" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7781" PostId="1701" Score="2" Text="@MichaelZieve I am certainly not intending to attack you, or anyone, viciously, and I apologise if you feel viciously attacked. And I am objecting much more to the combination answering/closing, than to answering itself, simply because of the strange secondary message that this combination implies (in my view)." CreationDate="2014-05-15T15:43:56.463" UserId="35416" />
  <row Id="7783" PostId="1701" Score="1" Text="Thanks for your edit, which removes the attack from your answer.  I don't agree that if someone votes to close then it means (s)he doesn't want anyone to answer the question.  In fact I can't understand how it's possible to think that.  This seems to be where we differ." CreationDate="2014-05-15T16:49:11.653" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7785" PostId="1701" Score="4" Text="But that is *the only* effect closing has on a question: preventing further answers." CreationDate="2014-05-15T17:06:07.517" UserId="35416" />
  <row Id="7786" PostId="1701" Score="3" Text="Closing for the purpose of migrating to another site obviously has another effect besides what you say.  Namely, it has the effect of putting in motion the migration to the other site." CreationDate="2014-05-15T17:11:11.977" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7807" PostId="1701" Score="1" Text="Other people are doing the same in a question voted -4.&#xA;&#xA;[What is the prime factorization of these ridiculously big superior highly composite numbers?](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/165985/what-is-the-prime-factorization-of-these-ridiculously-big-superior-highly-compos)" CreationDate="2014-05-16T12:51:42.883" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="9649" PostId="1701" Score="0" Text="More people doing the same:  https://mathoverflow.net/questions/194556/proof-of-a-cubic-equation-problem" CreationDate="2015-01-23T15:46:23.500" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="7787" PostId="1702" Score="1" Text="I for one am very happy to acknowledge that there are valid points in Michael's position, and that his intentions were honourable." CreationDate="2014-05-15T17:20:25.243" UserId="35416" />
  <row Id="7791" PostId="1702" Score="1" Text="@MichaelZieve the question is now closed (technically on hold) and you still have the points on MO. And except for unusual events you will keep them here. So, your point is not completely valid. Even if the answer should get migrated, you would then have the points there. The only situation in which you really would loose them is deleteion without migration, which however is not done (for better or worse) for questions with upvoted answers. So, almost whatever happens you keep points; (To be clear I do not consider this as very important, the points, but abstractly what you say isn't clear.)" CreationDate="2014-05-15T17:43:29.843" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7792" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="Yes, answers to closed questions can be edited, voted on, commented on -- what closure does is prevent other answers from being added (part of Alex's point). See here for more information: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10582/what-is-a-closed-or-on-hold-question" CreationDate="2014-05-15T17:46:41.663" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7793" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="@quid: you're right, I hadn't thought of that.  I deleted my wrong comment." CreationDate="2014-05-15T17:48:36.623" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7794" PostId="1702" Score="1" Text="@quid: I'm not sure that what you say about the points is correct.  The very first question I answered (and hence ended up getting sucked in!) was trivial and rightly migrated to MSE.  But I lost the points from it when the question went to MSE. I always assumed that points would disappear with the migration of the question." CreationDate="2014-05-15T17:56:20.270" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7795" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="Lucia is correct too, but the situation is further amplified here: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6378/do-migrated-questions-migrate-reputation-and-badges" CreationDate="2014-05-15T18:05:43.497" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7796" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="@Lucia what should be incorrect? It seems what you say does not contradict what I say in any way. Please note in particular (added emphasis) that I wrote: &quot;Even if the answer should get migrated, you would then have the points **there**.&quot;  which acknowledges (indirectly) that in this scenario (that did *not* [yet] happen in the present case) the points gained here would be lost *here* but not completely as they  preserved/gained on math.SE (at least if one has an account there which is the case for the user to whom I said what I said)." CreationDate="2014-05-15T18:45:42.927" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7797" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="@quid: I didn't fully understand what you said.  Todd Trimble's comment clarified it." CreationDate="2014-05-15T19:24:05.513" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7798" PostId="1702" Score="7" Text="Surely the appropriate reaction depends on the level of the question. We sometimes see very elementary questions, like help me solve this quadratic equation, and then it a bad idea to answer at all. But the question under discussion is at advanced undergraduate or beginning postgraduate level, so it seems reasonable to answer it, but at the same time to indicate (usually by voting to close or to migrate) that the question would be better suited to another site." CreationDate="2014-05-15T19:57:37.253" UserId="35840" />
  <row Id="7802" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="@Derek: thanks for articulating this, that was exactly my thinking." CreationDate="2014-05-16T00:31:09.000" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7810" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="@DerekHolt votes to close (and to migrate) are not to be used for indicating a question is better suited for another site. For this you should use a comment." CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:59:35.337" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7816" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="I am not sure if you are/were aware of the information I provide regarding migrating questions with answers. I consider it as not optimal that you suggest something (voting to migrated something with an answer) that is in direct conflict with established guidelines. I do not mean to say we should never migrate anything with an answer, but to basically suggest answering+migrating as standard accepted procedure could raise problems. Especially, if doing this should become popular, which seems quite possible." CreationDate="2014-05-17T14:24:26.217" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7817" PostId="1702" Score="2" Text="@quid: Thank you for raising this point." CreationDate="2014-05-17T15:13:35.673" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7836" PostId="1706" Score="0" Text="Thank you for this explanation.  Even though you say &quot;when in doubt answer&quot;, now I'm not sure that's always completely desirable.  If a question gets migrated to MSE then it lives forever in the sense of appearing in MSE searches when people ask related questions, so that people besides the asker can benefit from the answer.  So if answering a borderline question at MO should prevent such migration, then it would lead to either a borderline MO question staying open at MO or the question being closed everywhere.  Both outcomes seem undesirable.  Is it really best to not answer such questions?" CreationDate="2014-05-18T02:50:57.850" UserId="30412" />
  <row Id="7841" PostId="1706" Score="0" Text="I agree that in theory there could be some merit in having the archive of questions better sorted over the two sites. But in practice this does not work so well and trying would cause a lot of issues (there once was a fierce debate in the converse direction on meta.math.SE). Also, in the current case one can note that in the end the question was in fact *not* migrated but put on hold here. If no more details had been provided OP might have taken the Q to math.SE themselves. This could be considered as argument for not answering here." CreationDate="2014-05-18T08:36:50.007" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7842" PostId="1706" Score="1" Text="Generally speaking I think: .) one should not answer a question if one thinks it is a problem  it stays open on this site. .) one should not try to optimize the location of a question via migration; try to migrate only if the question cannot stay here. Having some overlap is desirable as it is the margin of error for placement of questions. One can and likely should still guide the OP via saying it would be *better* on the other site. But if it also somehow works here than do not use &quot;force&quot; to move it away. And if it does not work at all here, then one should not answer here." CreationDate="2014-05-18T08:46:13.280" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7818" PostId="1707" Score="2" Text="The question feels made up to me. Let us not waste time on this. At least let us wait until OP shows up on this site." CreationDate="2014-05-17T21:23:51.743" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7819" PostId="1707" Score="0" Text="I do not feel the question is suitable, and I am not sure there is an actual proof here." CreationDate="2014-05-17T21:30:03.237" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="7820" PostId="1707" Score="10" Text="It is not clear to me that truth is being told here.  Among other things, the fact that student is a graduate in one sentence and an undergraduate in another makes me wonder.  I will stop short of calling the poster a liar and assume a mistake is made, but if I wanted to craft something just to raise interest level on MathOverflow, and did not care about representing myself honestly, I might start with a story resembling that in the post. I recommend more caution and skepticism than usual for this post. Gerhard &quot;Experiencing A Credibility Gap Here&quot; Paseman, 2014.05.17" CreationDate="2014-05-17T21:37:42.553" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="7821" PostId="1707" Score="0" Text="Gerhard expressed well what I was struggling to figure out how to put into words in a not-too-rude way." CreationDate="2014-05-17T21:38:45.950" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7822" PostId="1707" Score="5" Text="The choice of names (Hilbert, Gauss), reminds me of another user that at some point went by Cantor." CreationDate="2014-05-17T22:18:24.623" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="7824" PostId="1707" Score="1" Text="Let me just briefly comment on a the matter in general: Regardinless the special context here,  I think it is a bad idea to allow this type of question. We were always rather  careful not to allow people asking &quot;is my result good&quot; and &quot;is my result correct&quot; type of questions. But this would be exactly this. There (hypothetically) being  some senior mathematician as a filter in between might help a bit, but only that much. And also it will be impossible to tell  and enforcen, and would open the floodgates to every amateur asking about their latest break through." CreationDate="2014-05-17T23:26:07.807" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7825" PostId="1707" Score="0" Text="I don't understand the suspicion here. Everything about the story sounds plausible: The result is the sort of thing that could plausibly be extracted from clever amateur manipulations from the stated input and is the sort of thing that a grad student might enjoy playing with. It isn't obvious whether this is good enough to publish. (I was surprised when Noam mentioned that Acta Arithmetica in 1989 accepted a paper pushing elementary bounds for $\psi(x)/x$ to $1 \pm 1/2976$.)" CreationDate="2014-05-17T23:41:52.030" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="7826" PostId="1707" Score="0" Text="I definitely understand quid's argument. But I'm sympathetic to the student who thinks he or she has a result, and doesn't have relevant faculty in his or her department to run it by. I spend a lot of my mathematical life sending e-mails to colleagues saying &quot;I just talked to a graduate student who has noticed X in your area, is it new?&quot; It can be really hard to find the right person to send those e-mails to. I am trying to keep students from writing up and submitting rediscoveries, but my network of contacts is only so deep and the literature is huge. Do the rest of you not have this problem?" CreationDate="2014-05-17T23:49:18.057" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="7827" PostId="1707" Score="8" Text="Even locally the story is not really plausible. For example, on the one hand we should believe OP is not familiar with the  matter on the other hand they just say &quot;Rosser's theorem&quot; assuming eveybody knows what is meant. This does not fit. Then not locally, there is the strange coincidence of somebody asking about this result just days ago (with a in some sense similar username). From what was asked there it does not even seem related. But then should it really be by chance? Finally, look at the account's questions on academia.SE. (cont.)" CreationDate="2014-05-18T00:04:51.700" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7828" PostId="1707" Score="10" Text="They  have a nephew an undergraduate that wants to publish something in number theory and need to ask something basic about publishing. Yet they claim to have graduate students. But also  on academia.SE they need an endorser for arXiv. But then they are sned many manuscript by amateurs. So we have some  quite clueless yet still somehow senior mathematician. All this seems quite unlikely. But in any case to give a maningfull answer to the question asked a lot more details on the math are needed. If they should provide them we can recondiser until then it is a NARQ (even believing everything)." CreationDate="2014-05-18T00:08:43.407" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7829" PostId="1707" Score="4" Text="The post itself is riddled with markers that make it suspect to me.  On the mathematics, why is n&gt;4 used as a qualifier?  Unless they have a different version of c(n), 1&lt;2&lt;4=c(1), 2&lt;3&lt;6=c(2), 3&lt;5&lt;8, 4&lt;7&lt;9, 5&lt;7&lt;10, 6&lt;11&lt;12,  and so on.  The second statement was noted to be a restatement of pi(c(n)-1) = c(n) - n -1, the &quot;significant&quot; result.  The real meat is the suggestion of an elementary proof that c(n) grows fast enough to have a prime between n and c(n).  As quid suggests, more detail is needed to answer the question honestly.  Gerhard &quot;Even If It Isn't Honest&quot; Paseman, 2014.05.17" CreationDate="2014-05-18T00:28:06.190" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="7830" PostId="1707" Score="6" Text="I took a break from MO because I thought the moderators were being too soft on this kind of crap. I poke my head back in and here we are. Sigh." CreationDate="2014-05-18T00:37:37.160" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="7831" PostId="1707" Score="0" Text="Aside from all the (excellent) reasons for skepticism expressed above, why is the OP asking about the merits of a *result* as opposed to the merits of a *paper*?  Even if some form of this question were acceptable, it should include a pointer to, at the very least, an informal preprint." CreationDate="2014-05-18T00:45:37.653" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="7832" PostId="1707" Score="3" Text="@quid's comment pointed out the user's account on academia.SE: here's a link http://academia.stackexchange.com/users/14733/alfred-gauss which should be compared with http://math.stackexchange.com/users/135953/william-hilbert" CreationDate="2014-05-18T00:50:25.760" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="7833" PostId="1707" Score="7" Text="@FelipeVoloch Generally I feel, and I think some of the other moderators do too, that it's the community who ought to be allowed to decide what's crap and what merits consideration. (Speaking even as one of the more &quot;activist&quot; moderators in terms of deciding whether or not to close/delete questions.) Sorry that we can't please everyone. FWIW, I would have voted to close myself, if I had ordinary 10k+ privileges and not the awesome Thor-like moderation powers I now find myself possessing. :-)" CreationDate="2014-05-18T01:16:42.957" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7834" PostId="1707" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Point taken that it's the community's task to make these decisions and I guess my criticism should be directed to them also. But one thing that bothers me is a number of users who pose bad question after bad question, some get closed, others just ignored but they keep polluting the front page. If something is to be done about that, it's the moderators who have to do it. Anyway, this comment is off-topic to the present discussion and getting long already." CreationDate="2014-05-18T01:49:23.937" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="7835" PostId="1707" Score="2" Text="@FelipeVoloch Tell me about it! There are a great many off-topic questions and instances of bad behavior that I and my colleagues adjudicate every day (with great reliance on the watchful eyes of the community), or otherwise tricky situations to deal with. It's a fairly big job and we do have lives outside MO. But yeah, getting off-topic here. :-)" CreationDate="2014-05-18T01:55:52.410" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7837" PostId="1707" Score="18" Text="Incidentally, in http://academia.stackexchange.com/revisions/20674/1 Alfred Gauss said he had received a paper from an Indian undergraduate named Sayantan Roy, who berated Gauss for behaving like the mathematicians who ignored Ramanujan's letters.  Google's search index includes the page http://mathoverflow.net/users/48849/sayantan-roy, which now leads to http://mathoverflow.net/users/48849/william-hilbert, and Bing's index also thinks William Hilbert used to call himself Sayantan Roy." CreationDate="2014-05-18T03:24:56.487" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="7838" PostId="1707" Score="4" Text="What a soap-opera we have going here!" CreationDate="2014-05-18T04:15:17.660" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="7852" PostId="1707" Score="4" Text="Further to my previous comment, compare http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/20674/ and http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/754430/sylvester-gallai-problem and http://matheducators.stackexchange.com/questions/1983/ (Apologies to David Speyer if he'd rather this thread be left to rest)" CreationDate="2014-05-19T18:52:54.967" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="7853" PostId="1707" Score="5" Text="@YemonChoi No problem. I was not aware of the multiple identities and strange history here. The closure jumped out at me because I can well imagine myself posting a question along the lines of &quot;my student has found the following variant on the Dold-Kan theorem (say). I am not very familiar with this field. Is this already in the literature and/or already folklore?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-05-19T19:28:47.780" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="7854" PostId="1707" Score="1" Text="I agree there is also a legitimate use case. And, we do allow 'is this in the literature/known' type questions (sometimes). I do not want to exclude this completely. I posted a short answer to sum up my posiiton;" CreationDate="2014-05-19T20:15:24.200" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7856" PostId="1711" Score="0" Text="This may sound confronting, but your real aim is to disseminate your authors' work as widely as possible. More subscriptions is but one way...   I don't know the size or cost of running your journal, but it's always worth looking at http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ and perhaps talking to Shieber about it. Also, open access $\not=$ (APC $\gt 0$), in general." CreationDate="2014-05-24T02:20:59.953" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="7858" PostId="1711" Score="10" Text="Whatever you do, don't agree to anything that you can't change down the track. Keep ownership of the title, and make sure there is an arrangement under which you could move to a different publisher." CreationDate="2014-05-24T04:09:35.290" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7859" PostId="1711" Score="10" Text="You may also get good answers on http://academia.stackexchange.com." CreationDate="2014-05-24T05:33:23.807" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="7860" PostId="1711" Score="4" Text="I think academia SE would be a good fit. It is clearly offtopic here since it is not about MO." CreationDate="2014-05-24T07:50:16.233" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="7861" PostId="1711" Score="7" Text="This question appears to be off-topic on MathOverflow Meta because it is not about MathOverflow. It rather should be migrated either to MathOverflow (main site), or to academia.stackexchange.com." CreationDate="2014-05-24T09:35:41.510" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="7862" PostId="1711" Score="0" Text="I agree with @StefanKohl the question is off topic for meta (though I appreciate the idea behind asking here rather than on main). However I disagree that it should be migrated anywhere. OP might decide to ask it on academia.SE but I would consider it as better to rework the question a bit before doing so. Further the best fit for this question seems anyway the board that Felipe Voloch mentioned." CreationDate="2014-05-24T12:37:15.543" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7863" PostId="1711" Score="2" Text="This question appears to be off-topic because it is about publishing of a mathematical journal (as opposed to about MathOverflow). For such subjects there is a dedicated board mentioned by Felipe Voloch. [Sorry for two comments, the second one is semiautomatic from the closure reason.]" CreationDate="2014-05-24T12:41:45.230" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7864" PostId="1711" Score="0" Text="On the subject: a main reason for maintaining such a journal in the first place can be to have something to trade in subscription by exchange programms. This might not be possible anymore when passing to a large publisher (though I don't know if this is the case and if it applies in your situation at all)." CreationDate="2014-05-24T12:53:20.333" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7865" PostId="1711" Score="0" Text="@David: the story about JMLR is very interesting!" CreationDate="2014-05-24T13:29:35.563" UserId="15155" />
  <row Id="7867" PostId="1711" Score="0" Text="@David: costs are very low. As I see it, one main reason to have our own journal is to make some advertisement of our department." CreationDate="2014-05-24T13:39:14.823" UserId="15155" />
  <row Id="7868" PostId="1711" Score="0" Text="@quid: right, we have used it to trade in subscription. However, this could in principle be negotiated with Springer." CreationDate="2014-05-24T13:41:22.650" UserId="15155" />
  <row Id="7855" PostId="1712" Score="0" Text="As another example, _Journal of Homotopy and Related Structures_ did some bouncing around before landing at Springer, see http://tcms.org.ge/Journals/JHRS/." CreationDate="2014-05-24T02:17:09.723" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="7857" PostId="1712" Score="0" Text="Also, my university subscribes to Springer (pretty much _in toto_), but not to JHRS (irritating for me, and we &quot;can't afford to&quot; despite its low cost). So even if a journal moves to Springer it may not automatically get picked up in packages." CreationDate="2014-05-24T02:26:24.273" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="7866" PostId="1712" Score="0" Text="@Felipe: it is Springer. Thanks for the link to publishing..mathforge!" CreationDate="2014-05-24T13:30:11.553" UserId="15155" />
  <row Id="15292" PostId="1712" Score="0" Text="That forum is getting closed: http://publishing.mathforge.org/discussion/202/closure-of-the-forum/#Item_0" CreationDate="2017-11-23T12:55:51.883" UserId="66983" />
  <row Id="15293" PostId="1712" Score="0" Text="Is there anywhere to read about that weird side of Hindawi?" CreationDate="2017-11-23T12:57:37.003" UserId="66983" />
  <row Id="7872" PostId="1713" Score="8" Text="You can find such posts via the [search function](http://mathoverflow.net/search) with the input '[wiki:yes](http://mathoverflow.net/search?q=wiki%3Ayes)'. If you only want Community Wiki questions, you can search for '[is:question wiki:yes](http://mathoverflow.net/search?q=is%3Aquestion+wiki%3Ayes)'." CreationDate="2014-05-25T23:24:18.617" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="7878" PostId="1715" Score="3" Text="I did not realize that one can also use the search function, which is typically more convenient and does not have the disadvanatage of missing very recent contributions that are  not yet in the data explorer." CreationDate="2014-05-26T12:42:05.397" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7869" PostId="1716" Score="0" Text="It does not become quite clear to me if the problem occurs with the mobile version, the full version, or both." CreationDate="2014-05-25T22:20:31.853" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7870" PostId="1716" Score="1" Text="I currently view MO and meta in the full versions, and other SE sites in (what look to me like) mobile versions.  I will attempt viewing 22 in the mobile version, if I can navigate to that version and back." CreationDate="2014-05-25T22:24:43.737" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7871" PostId="1716" Score="1" Text="I was able to view the mobile version of 22 briefly, and at least one time successfully.  I need to make a few more trials as I also had a browser shutdown in attempting the mobile version of 22, so I can't say yet that I have a solid workaround.  It does bear promise though." CreationDate="2014-05-25T22:34:30.470" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7876" PostId="1716" Score="0" Text="Maybe it's a jquery bug. Try disabling javascript and see if the bug is still there?" CreationDate="2014-05-26T07:56:10.357" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="7880" PostId="1716" Score="0" Text="Bug remained after disabling Javascript." CreationDate="2014-05-26T17:24:53.790" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7886" PostId="1716" Score="1" Text="Maybe try http://meta.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2014-05-28T06:21:01.953" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="7873" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="I think that the tag ([meta-tag:specific-question]) would be suitable for this question. (Not enough rep to edit on meta, that's why I am posting comment instead.)" CreationDate="2014-05-26T06:30:11.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7874" PostId="1717" Score="10" Text="It seems like you're already off to a good start -- you wrote a highly upvoted question on MathOverflow! See if there's a mathematician at a nearby university who might be interested? Think about the problem some more yourself? Convincing everyone that what you're working on is interesting is one of a fundamental challenges of being a mathematician --- don't think you're singularly unlucky in having difficulty doing so." CreationDate="2014-05-26T06:42:58.187" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7875" PostId="1717" Score="3" Text="You could have a section in your MO question titled Motivation where you explain its importance. Looking at your comments below your post: it seems to me that your question already has received attention (15 upvotes, 0 downvotes, 3 favorites), and now I expect it will receive more." CreationDate="2014-05-26T06:43:13.413" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7877" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="I changed the title as *visibly* linking did not work in titles." CreationDate="2014-05-26T12:30:31.607" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7879" PostId="1717" Score="4" Text="Some of us remember all the lead-up questions to this one, and some of us found those opaque. Some of us also have other more pressing (perhaps less important mathematically, perhaps not) things to do with our time" CreationDate="2014-05-26T15:45:58.340" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="7882" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi : the leadup questions were obstacles faced by me in my attempts to formulate and solve, they weren't really the motivations. The main motivations are in physical applications, which as suggested hope to write up somewhere in a forum or any conference/forum in signal processing, but ideally I'd like to solve this problem before I talk about it. But as that seems difficult I'll attempt to write down a case study of an application and post it somewhere or wait for a chance to present it. Thanks all for the suggestions." CreationDate="2014-05-27T05:00:29.177" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="7883" PostId="1717" Score="1" Text="Unless the solution method is more generally applicable, I think your audience would prefer a partly solved or unsolved problem with applications than a solved problem.  In your writeup, if you give some good ideas for solving, you should (and often will) get credit for &quot;pointing the way&quot;.  This may not be as satisfying, but mathematics needs people pointing the way as much as travelling it.  Of course, the Clay Institute doesn't give awards to signposts, but you're not doing this for love of money anyway, are you? Gerhard &quot;In It For The Math&quot; Paseman, 2014.05.27" CreationDate="2014-05-27T18:10:21.463" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="7938" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="Added some Motivation : http://mathoverflow.net/q/165038/14414" CreationDate="2014-06-05T12:00:20.593" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="8304" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman : http://mathoverflow.net/a/175862/14414" CreationDate="2014-07-18T08:35:47.123" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="8320" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble : I almost have an answer for a special but important case. But I need help in formalizing it in precise mathematical arguments. It may end up as false but I need to know why. I am not able to get any responses to my answer." CreationDate="2014-07-22T16:01:27.000" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="8321" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="Why not someone feature my question on their blog as a help in getting attention!" CreationDate="2014-07-22T16:04:00.957" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="8322" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="@RajeshD I don't know what you expect me to do about it." CreationDate="2014-07-22T18:39:02.800" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8335" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble : Any ideas how to get funding for doing research in this direction. In my belief, this could revolutionize physics Applied math and signal processing!" CreationDate="2014-07-27T04:31:44.663" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="8336" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="Can i publish this in any leading math Journals/conferences ?" CreationDate="2014-07-27T04:41:57.653" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="8337" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="@RajeshD I don't think I can be of much help, but you might try taking up The Masked Avenger's suggestion. From what I can see, you don't have enough to publish in a leading journal, but you might put a preprint on the arXiv; for that you need an academic who will endorse your work. There might be an MO user who responded to one of your questions that you might send a polite email to, to get suggestions. Finally -- I don't know what standing academia.edu has exactly, but I think they accept self-publications, and you might get someone interested that way." CreationDate="2014-07-27T12:21:53.330" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8343" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="Is anyone interested to collaborate with me on this problem? I have lot more to offer on its applications. If interested, you may mail me at rajeshlearnstorock@yahoo.com" CreationDate="2014-07-29T04:00:21.570" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="8497" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="It seems like i should have asked this question around 1900's for it to generate any interest among mathematicians. Right know, after corresponding to many professional mathematicians across the world, it seems like no one is really interested in it at all. They fear that it has practical applications and they don't like that at all!" CreationDate="2014-08-14T06:53:57.643" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="8498" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="Or perhaps they think its below their stature to work on an undergrad or high school problem like this as it sounds." CreationDate="2014-08-14T06:57:08.577" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="8526" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="Some illustrations added : http://mathoverflow.net/q/165038/14414" CreationDate="2014-08-19T09:16:56.643" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10545" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/q/208867/14414" CreationDate="2015-06-10T01:39:48.913" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="7881" PostId="1718" Score="0" Text="Out of idle curiosity: why did you turn that post CW?" CreationDate="2014-05-26T19:39:16.737" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7884" PostId="1718" Score="4" Text="To answer non-idly, there might have been a way to make the first point without engaging in self-promotion, but I could not think of it.  Among other reasons, CW was a signal to others to improve upon the post if they felt the question advertisement was working against  community ideals." CreationDate="2014-05-27T23:07:42.580" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7885" PostId="1719" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [About the option of editing comments - a different algorithm?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1628/about-the-option-of-editing-comments-a-different-algorithm)" CreationDate="2014-05-28T06:04:02.403" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="7887" PostId="1719" Score="0" Text="@BjørnKjos-Hanssen no, my question is based on a different issue. I don't want to be able to edit after the 5 minute time frame, I rather don't want the clock keep running if I start editing within that time limit." CreationDate="2014-05-28T10:16:08.763" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="7888" PostId="1719" Score="17" Text="A point to make in support of this change is that the current system can be wastefully frustrating: one starts an edit in good faith, but in giving care and attention to make quality changes, one exceeds the time limit and then the carefully composed improvements are lost. A pointless and irritating frustration!" CreationDate="2014-05-28T12:28:50.800" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="7889" PostId="1719" Score="6" Text="What if the edits never get saved because you change your mind and close the browser tab, or you lose network connection? What if you are interrupted by an hour-long discussion with your colleague while writing the comment? I agree that the current behaviour is sometimes annoying, but there still needs to be a (reasonably short) hard time limit even if you start editing." CreationDate="2014-05-28T16:03:10.037" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="7890" PostId="1719" Score="0" Text="What I could imagine is that if the system detects you started editing and did not yet save the comment, the limit is temporarily raised to, say, 7 minutes, so that you stand a chance of finishing the edit even if you start close to the deadline. Or, if it’s technically feasible, the system could display an alert shortly before the limit expires so that you can at least save what edits you have already done." CreationDate="2014-05-28T16:16:54.767" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="7892" PostId="1719" Score="0" Text="The simplest solution would probably be to ask SE to increase the limit to 10 minutes, no matter when you started editing. This would likely require no additional developer effort (many such settings are configurable per-site, though I don't know if this one is for sure)." CreationDate="2014-05-28T17:39:00.753" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="7897" PostId="1719" Score="7" Text="@MadScientist: I don’t quite see what this would achieve. The problem is that a user can start editing a comment before the timeout under the promise he is still allowed to do that, but the system tells him the game is over when he tries to actually save the comment. This is primarily a confusing UI issue. Increasing the overall timeout does not solve this problem, it only changes the relative time when it can manifest." CreationDate="2014-05-28T21:08:52.863" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="7898" PostId="1719" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek The linked duplicate has a reply from an SE employee mentioning that the proper solution would be a lot of work. This kind of edge case in comment editing has not a high priority inside SE from what I can tell, which is why I mentioned a solution that likely would require no additional developer effort, even if it is an imperfect one." CreationDate="2014-05-28T21:15:47.840" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="7899" PostId="1719" Score="3" Text="Another possibility is to have some visible indication of how much time you have left to submit your edit, while you are editing." CreationDate="2014-05-29T07:01:38.087" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="7978" PostId="1719" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins why are they 'lost'? They are still there and in fact not discarded on failed submission (*this* would be annoying). [Compare the answer and my comment on it.]" CreationDate="2014-06-11T10:19:22.407" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7896" PostId="1722" Score="0" Text="Since the question was recently edited (as I can see from  navigating the revisions page), the thought occurs that the bug may be triggered by the revision.  Is there any substantial difference between (the HTTP data that forms) the revised version and a year old copy that might explain what is going on?" CreationDate="2014-05-28T21:00:44.387" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7891" PostId="1723" Score="10" Text="To undo an upvote you have to click the upvote arrow again. Clicking the downvote arrow will change the vote to an actual downvote, not only undo the upvote." CreationDate="2014-05-28T17:29:43.220" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="7893" PostId="1723" Score="5" Text="And as a corollary, you can undo an unintended down-vote by clicking the down-arrow again (within certain time-frame)." CreationDate="2014-05-28T18:57:29.870" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="7894" PostId="1723" Score="2" Text="Sorry... this undoing manoeuvre was not obvious to me!" CreationDate="2014-05-28T20:02:44.153" UserId="45255" />
  <row Id="7900" PostId="1724" Score="3" Text="The edited question does seem quite reasonable to me.  I found the original question difficult to follow, and had voted to close.  I have now voted to reopen." CreationDate="2014-05-29T15:43:47.860" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7901" PostId="1725" Score="6" Text="I don't get what is meant by &quot;crickets chirp&quot;." CreationDate="2014-05-31T04:17:19.053" UserDisplayName="user62675" />
  <row Id="7902" PostId="1725" Score="1" Text="@Sanath: Google Is Your Friend." CreationDate="2014-05-31T06:28:58.283" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7903" PostId="1725" Score="6" Text="Generally speaking I think it is better to avoid  figurative idioms here." CreationDate="2014-05-31T08:14:01.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7905" PostId="1725" Score="1" Text="@quid: Can we still use colloquial metaphors? :-)" CreationDate="2014-05-31T08:36:49.560" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7907" PostId="1725" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila &quot;avoid&quot; was a bit strong, but I think the key point of a post should not depend on it. But, what actualluy made me write my comment, is first an foremost that OP independent of that is *quite* sloppily written: the strange start of body; the &quot;Or rephrase in an acceptable way?&quot; here, there, what does this mean exactly. And, second your somewhat dismissive comment: lmgtfy got band for a reason on SO." CreationDate="2014-05-31T08:41:27.537" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7910" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="@quid: I don't have a user account on SO, so it is impossible that I have posted that comment there." CreationDate="2014-05-31T08:46:17.983" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7912" PostId="1725" Score="1" Text="@Asaf not sure there is a confusion but in case:  linking to the service lmgtfy is banned on SO as it happened so often (maybe the entire network even) [as opposed to somebody named lmgtfy getting banned over something]" CreationDate="2014-05-31T08:52:50.880" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7913" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="@quid: I think that between the two of us, I managed to confuse you with my last comment, and not vice versa. :-)" CreationDate="2014-05-31T09:02:14.127" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7914" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: okay, yes, I meant to use a semi-colon instead of a colon. (But &quot;on SO&quot; would then be part of the alledged comment so that you pointing out not having an account on SO is not really pertinent.) As usual, an amusing exchange, but I need to leave now. :-)" CreationDate="2014-05-31T09:12:34.437" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7917" PostId="1725" Score="3" Text="Timing:  Wait two weeks before concluding &quot;there are no answers&quot;." CreationDate="2014-05-31T16:04:28.773" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="7918" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="I agree that to wait a bit can make sense. But, two weeks seems way too long." CreationDate="2014-05-31T23:11:37.443" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7921" PostId="1725" Score="4" Text="Some relevant discussions at meta.MSE: [Cross posting, or flag for migration?](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/10265/cross-posting-or-flag-for-migration) and [Moderator Supported (Official) Guidelines for “Legitimate” CrossPosting?](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/5085/moderator-supported-official-guidelines-for-legitimate-crossposting)." CreationDate="2014-06-01T06:18:54.087" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7924" PostId="1725" Score="7" Text="I suggest reading Martin's linked items.  In particular, lack of feedback at MSE is not a good reason for posting on MO.  You really should consider whether or not the question is suitable for MO as the primary criterion for posting on MO." CreationDate="2014-06-01T21:37:10.267" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="7926" PostId="1725" Score="2" Text="@quid Honestly, I think you are being too harsh on the OP. You of all people ought to be careful about calling people out on their sloppy language; I have trouble parsing most of the things you write (your comments above are no exception). To return to the query: I second what Ryan said. &quot;Rephrase in an acceptable way&quot; (i.e., acceptable for MO) is a slightly loaded phrase." CreationDate="2014-06-02T12:21:27.053" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7927" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I *do* realise this. However, if I ask a question it is typically not as sloppy as some other things I write. And, the point stands. The question would be  better if the lack of feedback was quantified explicitly. Furthermore, the body of a question should not depend on the title, especially not in such a convoluted way. Finally, we can decide to change the board to my native language, then I will make an effort to write in exemplary language." CreationDate="2014-06-02T12:42:07.150" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7928" PostId="1725" Score="1" Text="@quid Your last comment was very well written (some users would be better off writing in their native language, but you are not among them). :-) I thought the OP was tolerably clear, if colloquially written: &quot;crickets chirp&quot; normally means dead silence from the audience. That can be taken to mean at a minimum that no one answered (would that be enough quantification?), and I would certainly interpret it also as saying that there were no comments, if that matters. I think I disagree it was very convoluted (I could follow it anyway), but I take your general point: clarity is always desirable." CreationDate="2014-06-02T13:27:13.863" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7929" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Thanks for the explanation and the compliment. What could be relevant in addition is the time that elapsed without feedback. But, in the end I have to agree that my contribution to this thread was unfortunately not really constructive. I caught myself in an unfortunate dynamic (inspecting the answer with your 'magic powers' will reveal still more); some of what I wrote is likely overly harsh." CreationDate="2014-06-02T13:42:55.747" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7932" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="@quid: Magical diamond powers? Sounds like a combination of Tolkien, Captain Planet, Futurama &quot;The Mutants Are Revolting&quot;, and engagement rings in American-influenced societies." CreationDate="2014-06-03T04:58:22.387" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="7925" PostId="1727" Score="4" Text="I would assume that question was asked before the tag ordering was introduced, as the same thing seems to happen on many older questions." CreationDate="2014-06-02T08:42:46.930" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="7930" PostId="1727" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I should have noticed that it is an old question. I usually view the question by recent activity - which is why this question was on the first page for me." CreationDate="2014-06-02T20:00:52.460" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7931" PostId="1728" Score="4" Text="Thanks, that explains all. I will leave the ([meta-tag:bug]) tag in the question - I leave it for mods or SE team to either remove the tag or tag this question as ([meta-tag:status-bydesign])." CreationDate="2014-06-02T20:02:04.400" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="7933" PostId="1729" Score="5" Text="&quot;Hence, someone down-voted as you were retracting your up-vote, retracting it doesn't automatically cause you to cast another vote in the opposite direction.&quot; No. The question was based on the false premise that clicking the &quot;down&quot; button is the *only* thing that can be down to get rid of the marked &quot;up&quot; button, which is what OP did. Thus they *actually* changed the up to a down vote and changed by their own action the score by -2." CreationDate="2014-06-03T14:58:28.500" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7934" PostId="1731" Score="7" Text="Fourth option: post to both sites (if needed) but *not* simultaneously (but with a delay of a couple of days, and still mentioning  the other question). Also, you might present the question slightly differently for another target audience." CreationDate="2014-06-04T12:17:29.753" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7935" PostId="1732" Score="2" Text="Are you coordinating with William Stein? Are you aware they already have a Q&amp;A site, running on a open source analogue of StackExchange?" CreationDate="2014-06-04T22:18:28.203" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7936" PostId="1732" Score="6" Text="@Scott: Yes, I am aware that we already have a Q&amp;A for sage. The aim of this site is to provide user-support for Sage and ALL its subcomponents under one umbrella. Also, we have had trouble maintaining the askbot site recently; at the moment, not all users can post to it, for example (there is a karma/rep barrier to prevent spamming). This idea came about in a recent trac ticket on which William commented with a +1  and he is now following the proposal; so I guess he is aware. I will be in touch with him about this soon." CreationDate="2014-06-04T22:27:55.507" UserId="26538" />
  <row Id="7937" PostId="1732" Score="3" Text="Thanks, @knsam. Without that context I was worried the proposal was inappropriate." CreationDate="2014-06-05T07:38:56.083" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="10917" PostId="1732" Score="1" Text="The proposal has now been deleted, I think due to inactivity before reaching the threshold for activation." CreationDate="2015-07-31T06:29:14.217" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="7939" PostId="1733" Score="0" Text="Thank you for providing an opinion from somebody that actually is active on both sites." CreationDate="2014-06-05T22:25:02.080" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7940" PostId="1733" Score="0" Text="Taking my question as an example, am I right, that MO would be appropriate for asking for existence of and references to solutions of the problem and SciComp would then be the right place to ask for advice in selecting an algorithm and how to handle specific requirements for the solution or peculiarities of my computing infrastructure?" CreationDate="2014-06-06T07:29:26.547" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="7941" PostId="1733" Score="0" Text="That was exactly what I had in mind." CreationDate="2014-06-06T07:31:27.627" UserId="30516" />
  <row Id="7942" PostId="1736" Score="8" Text="I think this would be a very interesting question. I only hope there's someone who feels he/she could do the question justice, most preferably someone who has read Grassmann's writings and has thought deeply about them. (If Bill Lawvere were reading this question, I'd love to hear his response.)" CreationDate="2014-06-06T17:17:45.390" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="7943" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Would you recommend that I request a migrate from M.SE to MO, or would you recommend that I simply rewrite the question on MO?" CreationDate="2014-06-06T18:53:24.173" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="7944" PostId="1736" Score="6" Text="I seem to recall that a question of this form on MO was closed some time ago, though I am not computer-literate enough to track it down." CreationDate="2014-06-06T19:11:50.483" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="7945" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman You're right! [I did try to post this here before.](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1495/would-this-m-se-question-that-has-received-no-answers-be-appropriate-for-mo-or). How bizarre...I am not sure what to make of it." CreationDate="2014-06-07T04:59:06.763" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="7946" PostId="1736" Score="3" Text="@user89 : So you somehow forgot?" CreationDate="2014-06-07T18:33:07.447" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="7947" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman I did. Most of all though, I am not sure why I listened to you the last time. I should waited for some more feedback." CreationDate="2014-06-07T20:08:16.670" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="7948" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman What's interesting too is that the question didn't get closed, as you suggested. It got a single downvote, and *I* got worried, and thus deleted it myself, so that I could solicit feedback." CreationDate="2014-06-07T20:18:04.083" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="11926" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="Might *Category Theory* be similar?" CreationDate="2015-12-02T10:55:38.033" UserId="68583" />
  <row Id="7949" PostId="1737" Score="2" Text="I don't say that you are misunderstanding the passage so much as putting too much hope in the generality.  If you axiomatize exterior algebras, you will have a more general framework, which won't buy you much unless you take a model-theoretic or mathematical-logic perspective: the structures you study will still smell like exterior algebras with that axiomatization." CreationDate="2014-06-08T20:11:21.723" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="7960" PostId="1737" Score="1" Text="Thanks a lot for this constructive answer. I will put some effort into doing some proper research on the matter, and maybe in the end, I will end up finding what you suspect. If not, I will then at least be able to post a better MO question." CreationDate="2014-06-09T01:11:46.330" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="7962" PostId="1739" Score="2" Text="You likely should notify OP of the question (via a comment on the question) or perhaps still better (as it works in this case) via a comment (directed at them) on your answer." CreationDate="2014-06-09T23:31:20.777" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7965" PostId="1739" Score="0" Text="On an unrelated note, it seems you have two accounts, one of which is unregistered.  Perhaps you should ask the moderators to merge your accounts." CreationDate="2014-06-10T01:10:16.180" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="7966" PostId="1739" Score="8" Text="We no longer merge accounts ourselves. Writing to community@stackexchange.com with the details of the pair of accounts usually results in prompt action, however!" CreationDate="2014-06-10T01:51:06.090" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7968" PostId="1739" Score="2" Text="I am grateful that David Speyer has responded in comments and although my approach may end up working out, as posted it is not a correct solution. I will however continue working on the problem." CreationDate="2014-06-10T19:40:35.510" UserDisplayName="user49545" />
  <row Id="7967" PostId="1740" Score="7" Text="See also [StackEdit](https://stackedit.io/)." CreationDate="2014-06-10T18:43:37.513" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7969" PostId="1740" Score="0" Text="Isn't that nifty! I would guess, though I can't tell, that that one uses html5 &quot;web&quot; storage? However, it emphatically doesn't work &quot;offline&quot; in the sense I'm wanting." CreationDate="2014-06-10T22:31:01.280" UserId="35529" />
  <row Id="7970" PostId="1740" Score="0" Text="I take back the second bit; it's on github https://github.com/benweet/stackedit and unpacks lively enough." CreationDate="2014-06-10T22:56:28.363" UserId="35529" />
  <row Id="7971" PostId="1741" Score="2" Text="Please add a link to the question or some other clear indication what you are referring to." CreationDate="2014-06-11T00:45:19.047" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7972" PostId="1741" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: I was deliberately being vague since I didn't know if it was appropriate.  But here is the question: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/56048/alternating-colors-on-a-line-infinitely-often-or-converge" CreationDate="2014-06-11T00:46:36.077" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7973" PostId="1741" Score="1" Text="I don't know what's going on; it was deleted by a Stack Exchange employee, not one of us. I'll ask." CreationDate="2014-06-11T00:50:59.843" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7974" PostId="1741" Score="7" Text="That post has an odd history since the OP had deleted it but the community decided to undelete it." CreationDate="2014-06-11T00:53:28.933" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7975" PostId="1741" Score="5" Text="Totally appropriate question, Lucia.  This question seems to have a very odd history." CreationDate="2014-06-11T04:00:54.917" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="7980" PostId="1741" Score="4" Text="@Scott: Under which circumstances do Stack Exchange employees delete posts on MO without consulting the MO moderators before? -- I'd have thought they do so at most in quite extreme cases(?)" CreationDate="2014-06-11T12:16:11.227" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="7981" PostId="1741" Score="3" Text="Wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20130929134858/http://mathoverflow.net/questions/56048/alternating-colors-on-a-line-infinitely-often-or-converge" CreationDate="2014-06-11T12:33:27.277" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="7982" PostId="1741" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I assume this was only meant as a quick way to express something, namely that some hig-rep users decided to undelete it, but still I feel like pointing out that the formulation &quot;the community decided to undelete it&quot; is somewhat misleading IMO. A couple users decided to undelete it for some reason. (Was there some discussion around this? If there was and there was indeed consensus this should be done I retract my comment.)" CreationDate="2014-06-11T12:44:26.583" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7983" PostId="1741" Score="5" Text="@StefanKohl: Ideally, never. We just reminded SE staff of that. It's easy to forget, though, when processing a batch of user requests." CreationDate="2014-06-11T12:53:54.907" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7984" PostId="1741" Score="4" Text="@quid: That's a silly nitpick. This was the standard way for the community to express itself in such matters. It's not as common now due to software changes making self-deletions less visible. (In my opinion, this is an unfortunate change since a few users regularly abuse this.)" CreationDate="2014-06-11T13:15:49.127" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="7986" PostId="1741" Score="5" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais perhaps I expressed myself not well, I was not searching any controversy, I merely meant to point out that &quot;the community decided&quot; was used by you in the sense of the tools of community moderation were used as opposed to there was a debate on meta and a decission was made (a decision in the latter scenario would carry more weight in my opinion); also the latter could  have been the case and in my opinion the formulation you used rather suggests the latter. I would have some additional remarks, but I will not make them here. I might contact you (the mods) about it though." CreationDate="2014-06-11T17:21:39.537" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7988" PostId="1741" Score="7" Text="@StefanKohl, see the answer from TimPost below. We've followed up in private, and are happy with the outcome." CreationDate="2014-06-11T21:41:08.080" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7995" PostId="1741" Score="8" Text="Regardless of the situation in this specific example, it seems problematic that the local moderator team (and the whole community) was bypassed. I thought part of the idea behind all the negotiations prior to the move was that this sort of actions were to be explicitly avoided." CreationDate="2014-06-13T04:19:06.680" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="7976" PostId="1742" Score="0" Text="i am aware of that possibility and I have used it for comments for which the time- limit for editing had expired. The reason for my question was, that I felt somewhat &quot;trapped in&quot; becaus there was no indication, that the clock kept on ticking." CreationDate="2014-06-11T04:21:46.203" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="7977" PostId="1742" Score="10" Text="@ManfredWeis but why do you feel &quot;trapped&quot;? The thing fails really gracefully. You get a notification you cannot submit it, **but** you keep access to the edited *source* for the comment. Just copy it, and put it in a new window. This is *better* than copying the rendered text of the comment as you do not loose formatting and more importantly MathJax." CreationDate="2014-06-11T08:59:29.540" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="18828" PostId="1742" Score="0" Text="@user9072 but this sounds like a work-around. In an ideal world, people should not have to abuse the system like this." CreationDate="2019-04-11T19:56:45.770" UserDisplayName="user137767" />
  <row Id="7985" PostId="1743" Score="6" Text="Thank you for the response." CreationDate="2014-06-11T13:24:31.313" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7987" PostId="1743" Score="9" Text="On _every_ site it should be the local moderators who handle such things..." CreationDate="2014-06-11T20:34:43.720" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="7989" PostId="1743" Score="6" Text="Since the matter seems to have been resolved to the satisfaction of the MO moderators, I accept this answer and consider the discussion complete." CreationDate="2014-06-11T21:47:58.043" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="7991" PostId="1743" Score="3" Text="@Dilaton This request came through our support desk, team@stackexchange.com - there's no practical way to let moderators into that, and honestly, it's such a smelly place to go that I'd hate sending any there." CreationDate="2014-06-12T03:56:37.090" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="7992" PostId="1743" Score="7" Text="@TimPost the MO moderators could have been informed and consulted. Executing such (or even more drastic) moderator actions by Stack Exchange employees or moderators without the local moderators and community of a site even being informed (and consulted), seems not appropriate to me. Good that this specific issue is resolved for good now." CreationDate="2014-06-12T11:20:42.360" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="7993" PostId="1743" Score="9" Text="@Dilaton I believe to understand where you are coming from. But I feel this is a quite bad example to make this point. (Tangentially, the action was pretty minimal, and OP could even have essentially taken it themselves. Even on practical grounds only it seems neither feasibale nor really desirable to request everybody by consulted and informed for each such action.)" CreationDate="2014-06-12T12:16:34.490" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7994" PostId="1743" Score="9" Text="@quid: to the contrary, I think that it is feasible and desirable that moderation of this sort should be done exclusively by local moderators. If the local moderators do not have access to the &quot;support desk&quot;, surely they can be contacted by email. Fortunately the local moderators have indicated they have followed up in private (still without access to the support desk, presumably...)" CreationDate="2014-06-13T01:19:28.860" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="7996" PostId="1743" Score="1" Text="@Carl I have no interest to continue this discussion here. You seem to try to stir up some controversy and conflict where there simply is none." CreationDate="2014-06-13T08:50:20.343" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="7997" PostId="1743" Score="5" Text="@quid it is probably not much more to be said concerning this spedific issue here as it is resolved, but I generally tend to agree with Carl and also with [this](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1741/on-a-question-that-was-deleted-recently/1743?noredirect=1#comment7995_1741) comment, and give the advice to be wary and closely watch such and similar incidents ..." CreationDate="2014-06-13T10:20:46.260" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="7998" PostId="1743" Score="3" Text="@Dilaton not only is the current issue resolved, but Tim Post also promised right away to put in place a mechanism/procedure to avoid it in the future. I really do not know what more one could expect. More generally, MO is on the network since almost a year, and I did not notice any problems. So, in reference to the comment that you link to: yes this was part of the idea and it works really well in my opinion. If somebody thinks differently they should raise the issue in a clear way." CreationDate="2014-06-13T12:17:59.820" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8000" PostId="1743" Score="9" Text="@quid I agree with you that there is not yet cause to be alarmed, and I will add that Tim Post in particular has generally done very well by this local moderation team (I can think of some sticky situations where his job has not been easy). And yes, Tim has given us his word; I am satisfied by his response here. But it's also fine that Dilaton, Carl, and Andres ask questions and sound cautionary notes -- people have differing experiences with the stackexchange network. I don't see anything untoward in their (politely expressed) comments; thus I'm editing the final words of your last comment." CreationDate="2014-06-14T13:44:06.630" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8007" PostId="1743" Score="3" Text="@quid: not every comment is directed at you, nor needs to be responded to. By responding immediately to every comment here, you've forced anyone who wants to share their concerns to engage you in a conversation. The effect, though I'm sure unintentional, is to stifle people's ability to speak without starting a confrontation. [I say this as someone who agrees with you on the substantive point.]" CreationDate="2014-06-15T16:28:48.680" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="8008" PostId="1743" Score="3" Text="@TomChurch yes not every comment is directed at me, only those that start with `@quid` You can check that I did eg not comment on Andres Caicedo's comment right away (while I wrote a comment during the relevant period of time). *Only* when it came up in a comment in fact *directed* at me did I say something on it. Or, would Carl Mummert wish to make his point without engaging me he could have simply made it. But he talked to me using `@qui`. *So*, I replied. Now you talked to me *so* I replied. But, it is true that I sometimes comment too much. Thanks for the reminder." CreationDate="2014-06-15T16:46:24.523" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8005" PostId="1745" Score="3" Text="I removerd the [meta-tag:feature-request] It should only be used for making a *precise* suggestion for a new feature. Instead, I added [meta-tag:discussion] since beyond getting information about the current situation you seem to be interested in *discussing* how (what exactly) could/should be done.  (If you actually want this to be a feature request you should be more precise; for example, what does &quot;any kind of activity&quot; mean?)" CreationDate="2014-06-15T09:20:50.700" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8006" PostId="1745" Score="3" Text="@quid OK thanks, I will think about it. If I'll manage to come up with a precise formulation I will edit the post accordingly." CreationDate="2014-06-15T12:40:38.717" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="8018" PostId="1745" Score="8" Text="You mean something like a “follow” feature — not the “favourite” star — so that any changes to that question are mentioned in your inbox. I can see the use of such a feature." CreationDate="2014-06-17T08:29:46.020" UserId="21815" />
  <row Id="8064" PostId="1745" Score="9" Text="I honestly wouldn't know, how to write your name in  a comment; so maybe using a latinized name would result in more @ before it." CreationDate="2014-06-26T11:39:27.267" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="22520" PostId="1745" Score="1" Text="@ManfredWeis You can use the autocomplete menu appearing when you type '@'. Select the username via arrow keys and insert via tab." CreationDate="2020-07-22T13:29:36.063" UserId="62080" />
  <row Id="8009" PostId="1746" Score="1" Text="Perhaps it's a slow internet connection? (I'm not sure, since I'm not a computer expert.)" CreationDate="2014-06-16T01:00:46.930" UserDisplayName="user62675" />
  <row Id="8010" PostId="1746" Score="11" Text="Perhaps you're enjoying Chinese censorship? MathOverflow now works under https, so you might just try changing the URL to `https://mathoverflow.net/` and seeing what happens. Alternatively, presumably you have `ssh` access to some computer back home. Run `ssh -D 1080 username@math.tamu.edu`, and then tell your browser to use a SOCKS proxy on port 1080. (Google for more details, or just ask me.) This will tunnel you out of the Great Firewall." CreationDate="2014-06-16T01:57:38.407" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="8011" PostId="1746" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the fix, Scott." CreationDate="2014-06-16T08:33:43.013" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8012" PostId="1746" Score="0" Text="I have yesterday seen this message as well, from Germany -- but the problem was intermittent -- sometimes I saw that message, sometimes the formulas were rendered strangely or not at all or omitted completely. But now everything seems to work well again." CreationDate="2014-06-16T08:44:05.693" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8013" PostId="1746" Score="0" Text="Your problem was likely different, Stefan.  My problem was the Chinese firewall that had to be circumvented." CreationDate="2014-06-16T12:38:48.673" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8014" PostId="1746" Score="4" Text="Scott's comment should probably be an answer." CreationDate="2014-06-16T20:25:19.660" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="8021" PostId="1748" Score="5" Text="I would appreciate commentary from MathOverflow Foundation reps (moderators as well) on the following likely (better than 30% chance) scenario: I would be attending ICM in Seoul in mid August, and am willing to devote some time to promoting MathOverflow.  How much swag to order, and how to use it?  There are also logistic issues, as well as some political issues.  For example, is MO 1.0 style publicity favored over MO 2.0 style?  Does MOF have a public relations guide for me to follow?  Do I pass out mugs informally, or whip out my smart phone and give a 30 second demo before they get a mug?" CreationDate="2014-06-17T19:53:53.880" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8022" PostId="1748" Score="2" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger: Please send an email to the moderators -http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/833/who-are-the-mathoverflow-moderators" CreationDate="2014-06-17T21:04:30.427" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8023" PostId="1748" Score="3" Text="I have the MSE mug, and it is wunderbar! (Although there was an immediate discoloration inside the mug; but nothing I actually cared about.)" CreationDate="2014-06-17T23:12:46.627" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8025" PostId="1748" Score="1" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger The mods can help you with most of that. When I give talks promoting our sites, I try to make sure everyone that wants something at least gets some stickers, and I reserve the bigger prizes (shirts / mugs) for folks that actively participate with questions about the presentation or talk I'm giving - works out well. As for the quantity, we'll hook you up with enough to satisfy about 100 attendees (stickers), with 20 or so also getting mugs or shirts. Depends on the event, can be more." CreationDate="2014-06-18T06:33:50.700" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8026" PostId="1748" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila I believe we changed mugs, you should be able to put a double shot of espresso in these without discoloration, but don't let coffee / tea sit in them overnight. You know, since I have the ability, I should actually _send myself_ one of our own SO mugs (same brand) and see :P I'll get on that today." CreationDate="2014-06-18T06:39:49.043" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8027" PostId="1748" Score="2" Text="@Tim: We are very prone to leaving dishes for a couple of days. Which is how the last mug got stained. Also drinking espresso from such mug is weird." CreationDate="2014-06-18T07:23:26.693" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8028" PostId="1748" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila Well, an Americano starts out with a shot or two (which didn't stain the mug). But I am going to get some mugs and do some science, as they're our most sought after item when we print them for sites." CreationDate="2014-06-18T09:26:39.487" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8029" PostId="1748" Score="2" Text="@Tim: I stopped diluting my coffee with excessive amounts of water. When the water stop being dark, I stop the machine. I mean, what's next? Taking a Glen Livet 25 and adding a glass of water to a shot? :-(" CreationDate="2014-06-18T09:28:40.680" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8030" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="@Tim, I will check with the mods.  Thanks for the data point." CreationDate="2014-06-18T15:51:45.897" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8031" PostId="1748" Score="16" Text="I got a math.stackexange mug a while back.  Any thought on producing a dark-colored mug ... coffee &amp; tea stains invisible ..." CreationDate="2014-06-18T16:54:43.883" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="8032" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar I'm going to ask our supplier. Incidentally, +100 for that sudden onslaught of common sense that seemed to escape the rest of us (well, namely, me :P)" CreationDate="2014-06-19T08:56:59.073" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8047" PostId="1748" Score="3" Text="@Tim: I would have expected you to be able and actually have Gerald Edgar's comment with +100. Also, please let me know when you do that sciency part on the mugs! I'm interested in the results." CreationDate="2014-06-22T14:53:12.387" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8062" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="Protip: You can get rid of staining (from tea; I don't know about coffee) by letting it soak in vinegar overnight, then scrubbing vigorously." CreationDate="2014-06-26T03:28:56.073" UserId="396" />
  <row Id="8106" PostId="1748" Score="2" Text="Oh, OK. I now understand why the old meta.MO used to be called 'tea'." CreationDate="2014-07-02T11:12:56.403" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="8402" PostId="1748" Score="8" Text="I filled out the form linked (about least 9 weeks ago). Is it possible to get confirmation that items are on their way?" CreationDate="2014-08-04T05:13:33.083" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="8475" PostId="1748" Score="4" Text="Like David, I filled out the form shortly after this question was posted and haven't heard anything since." CreationDate="2014-08-10T01:19:09.467" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="8596" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts: Have your mugs, stickers and shirts reached you already?" CreationDate="2014-09-02T23:10:48.887" UserId="1593" />
  <row Id="8597" PostId="1748" Score="1" Text="@J.H.S. no (or at least, not as of yesterday, I haven't checked today). Scott Morrison told me via email that a lot of the stock was sent to the ICM, so requests were delayed somewhat." CreationDate="2014-09-03T02:33:43.707" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="8598" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="@TimPost - any news on shipments? See the preceding comments." CreationDate="2014-09-03T02:34:39.423" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="8599" PostId="1748" Score="5" Text="All - updated the post. All that we had in stock went to sponsor / represent MO at ICM 2014, at the last minute (we didn't know we'd have the opportunity), so all we had in stock was diverted. More is being printed, should be ready shortly, and we'll have the warehouse send all of this out from that batch, then print more so we have some in stock. Sorry about the chaos, it just worked out the way that it did." CreationDate="2014-09-03T08:11:29.327" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8600" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="@TimPost what's ICS 2014? Google shows me _International Continence Society_, _International Carbohydrate Symposium_, _Interdisciplinary Cerebrovascular Symposium_ and _International Conference on Supercomputing_. One of these things is not like the other, but I can't tell if I've found what you're referring to or not :-)" CreationDate="2014-09-03T09:54:01.947" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="8601" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure it's a typo for ICM." CreationDate="2014-09-03T10:12:33.260" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8603" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="It is ICM, I was only on my sixth espresso, sorry about that!" CreationDate="2014-09-03T11:10:33.400" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8608" PostId="1748" Score="1" Text="Tim, did you make sciency experiments about mug stains? Also, will there be black mugs at some point? (I'd be happy to get one of these...)" CreationDate="2014-09-03T17:33:45.690" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8609" PostId="1748" Score="2" Text="What sort of shipping times are expected? I will be moving in just over a month, so if I need to change my address somewhere, it would be good to know." CreationDate="2014-09-03T18:27:49.363" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="8729" PostId="1748" Score="3" Text="@TimPost Since my move is rapidly approaching, I would appreciate an update on where I would need to change my address." CreationDate="2014-09-26T18:01:46.713" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="8819" PostId="1748" Score="1" Text="@TimPost: Has the stuff been sent already?" CreationDate="2014-10-16T18:15:26.583" UserId="1593" />
  <row Id="8860" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="Ah, but with dark cups, @GeraldEdgar, you can't judge how much milk to add to your tea." CreationDate="2014-10-24T12:02:00.927" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="10632" PostId="1748" Score="2" Text="Will you be sending the free stuff to other countries?  I'm from the Philippines, I filled up the form last year and I haven't received anything yet." CreationDate="2015-06-20T05:45:11.377" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="10724" PostId="1748" Score="2" Text="I never got the swag I requested. Had it not been offered I wouldn't feel the lack. Was a second batch ever printed?" CreationDate="2015-06-27T23:19:52.360" UserId="8008" />
  <row Id="11570" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="@TimPost Is it too late to get one?" CreationDate="2015-11-09T02:31:53.127" UserDisplayName="user82419" />
  <row Id="8033" PostId="1749" Score="6" Text="I am not sure why this is downvoted. Possibly, because &quot;Do you agree?&quot; is in there and somebody thought it is a good idea to answer this question via a downvote. However, this is *not* the recommended practice on meta.MO. Other than that I consider this question as completely justified (it seems the question was closed without any explanatory comment whatsoever) and attracted some activity that was wositively received. So if it is not a good  idea to ask for explantion in such a case I do not know when it ever would be." CreationDate="2014-06-19T09:41:42.360" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8034" PostId="1749" Score="0" Text="Thanks Stefan for improving the title." CreationDate="2014-06-19T11:35:19.297" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="8035" PostId="1749" Score="1" Text="I hope this is not considered as inappropriate, but I was just interested in seeing if people [here](http://www.physicsoverflow.org/19396/optical-methods-for-number-theory?show=19396#q19396) would appreciate this question. To me personally it seems interesting." CreationDate="2014-06-19T11:43:52.160" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="8037" PostId="1749" Score="0" Text="If you're interested in novel ways of implementing computing that use ideas from other disciplines, you may find *molecular programming* very cool: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117663015413546257905/posts/3kP9GNKWy5d Personally, I like quantum computing the best as an alternative approach to computing. I'm not sure if MO is the best forum for interdisciplinary topics like these though. On a fun side note, you can even compute with soldier crabs! http://www.technologyreview.com/view/427494/computer-scientists-build-computer-using-swarms-of-crabs/" CreationDate="2014-06-19T12:39:45.850" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="8039" PostId="1749" Score="0" Text="@Yuichiro Fujiwara: My favourite is slime mold: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czk4xgdhdY4" CreationDate="2014-06-19T13:45:03.460" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8036" PostId="1750" Score="4" Text="Thanks for taking the time to answer.  Agreed that the example is not very helpful; it is the question I am mostly drawing attention to.  &quot;Forum&quot; is your word, not mine - I am not proposing anything different to the usual question/answer format, just respectfully disagree about whether it might be helpful, even if to just a few." CreationDate="2014-06-19T11:58:43.170" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="8038" PostId="1750" Score="4" Text="I agree with S. Carnahan, and this was also my reason for voting to close.  In addition I was also influenced by the quality of the other questions raised by the same user.  Perhaps this second reason is unfair, but it did inform my judgement of how much thought was put into this question." CreationDate="2014-06-19T12:44:31.670" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="8046" PostId="1750" Score="2" Text="OK, I see that the question would need a complete rewrite, and there is not strong enough support from the OP or community.  I still think interdisciplinary questions are in principle valuable for MO, but will take this up some other time." CreationDate="2014-06-20T07:46:02.060" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="8040" PostId="1752" Score="8" Text="I think it was an edit to his or her question." CreationDate="2014-06-19T22:02:56.917" UserId="27829" />
  <row Id="8041" PostId="1752" Score="3" Text="Yes @YuichiroFujiwara is right. OP decide on suggested edits too (irrespective of reputation); indeed approval of OP alone suffices. This happened in this case: http://mathoverflow.net/review/suggested-edits/23344 (Removed the tag 'bug' as it isn't one.)" CreationDate="2014-06-19T22:14:03.087" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8043" PostId="1752" Score="2" Text="Sorry, I do not understand your remark. OP can indeed edit their post without anybody needing to approve it. But this would not create this entry. What happened is that sombody (Guillermo) suggested an edit and OP approved the *suggested* edit to *their* post (just like you and I [combined to be precise] could have done it)." CreationDate="2014-06-19T22:53:11.500" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8044" PostId="1752" Score="0" Text="@quid: Ah, o.k. -- that explains it. -- Thanks." CreationDate="2014-06-19T22:54:28.183" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8045" PostId="1752" Score="0" Text="Glad this is settled. Independently of your comment I just searched for the &quot;official reference&quot; and will post it as answer for completeness." CreationDate="2014-06-19T22:56:03.180" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="27920" PostId="1754" Score="2" Text="So this is now implemented too - there is a new feature tagged saves. Here is a link to the [corresponding tag-info](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/saves/info) on [meta.se] and to the announcement about this feature: [Bookmarks have evolved into Saves](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/382019). (There are some related questions on this meta, requesting something similar: [Any chance of a &quot;save for later / TODO&quot; feature?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1601) and [Improve management tools of favorite and upvoted questions/answers](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2384))" CreationDate="2022-10-26T05:58:04.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29194" PostId="1754" Score="0" Text="Bookmarks have been completely revamped and they are now called saves - more details can be found [in the corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/saves/info). One of the new features is the possibility to organize your saves into several lists. So I guess this can be considered ([meta-tag:status-completed])." CreationDate="2023-11-04T14:37:28.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="8105" PostId="1755" Score="7" Text="This could have been a great answer for the original question had it not been closed." CreationDate="2014-07-01T20:52:41.607" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="8134" PostId="1755" Score="3" Text="Noam: as the MO question has been reopened, the OP requests that the answers here be made answers there. (I don't have the tools to do that automatically myself.)" CreationDate="2014-07-03T12:42:59.253" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8048" PostId="1756" Score="0" Text="I tried https; it does not work.  I did not try Hola, but Scott Morrison's second suggestion allows me to work around the problem.  If Scott writes it as an answer I will accept it." CreationDate="2014-06-23T15:17:14.127" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8049" PostId="1756" Score="4" Text="Why was this answer downvoted?" CreationDate="2014-06-23T17:12:43.663" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8055" PostId="1756" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble [because I lost my keys](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/215397/50049). Could be because it was answered in comments which I mostly reiterated, but .. it's my job to do that and make sure these have actual answers :)" CreationDate="2014-06-24T05:15:31.053" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8058" PostId="1756" Score="0" Text="@BillJohnson I think in some sense Scott Morrison's suggestion is a special case of the second point here, as it suggests to use a particular proxy." CreationDate="2014-06-24T15:45:31.063" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8061" PostId="1756" Score="0" Text="@quid For me the key point in Scott's comment was to use the ssh -D 1080 command when connecting to my home domain via ssh.  I did not get that suggestion from my system administrator. I now set one browser to use that and a different browser to use the local port in Shanghai." CreationDate="2014-06-26T01:32:01.897" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8063" PostId="1756" Score="1" Text="@BillJohnson Yes, a simple SOCKS proxy is the easiest way to go if you (1) have a decent SSH client that'll do it for you and (2) something you can connect to. I wrote a nice init script that wraps that all up simply with a nice launcher program, gotta dig that up and get it in my public repo." CreationDate="2014-06-26T05:39:13.947" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8050" PostId="1757" Score="0" Text="Could you describe the precise situation? -- I think if the addressee would be notified anyway (i.e. you are commenting on their post), the @[whoever] is omitted, and if you cannot notify the addressee (they don't have a comment in the same comment thread), this happens as well." CreationDate="2014-06-23T20:29:24.163" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8051" PostId="1757" Score="1" Text="Oh, that would explain it - I tried addressing the answerer, and then the OP (who was not in the comment thread). I didn't know you there were limits to who one could address a comment to." CreationDate="2014-06-23T20:30:43.457" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="8052" PostId="1757" Score="0" Text="Another limit is that you cannot notify with @ more than one person." CreationDate="2014-06-23T22:17:04.603" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8053" PostId="1757" Score="6" Text="And here are the gory details: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/43020/226864" CreationDate="2014-06-23T22:25:04.483" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8054" PostId="1757" Score="4" Text="I retagged as this is not a bug. In view of the the uncertainty you expressed regarding tagging I add: if you are not *very* convinced it is a bug or the matter is not urgent to start with support is a good option. If it turn out to be an actual bug you can still retag then. Using the &quot;bug&quot; tag is mainly good for getting SE staff's attention more quickly." CreationDate="2014-06-23T22:26:54.723" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8065" PostId="1757" Score="0" Text="The issue is that the software assumes that the only reason to mention someone's name is to &quot;ping&quot; them. Of course, there are several other reasons you might want to mention their name (e.g. to indicate to others that the comment is written to a specific person rather than a general comment on the question or answer). In that case, if you find the software mistakenly removes their name, you can always write something like &quot;To John Smith: &quot; at the beginning, instead of &quot;@John Smith&quot;." CreationDate="2014-06-26T14:14:38.817" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="8056" PostId="1758" Score="2" Text="The above does not really add much beyond the comments, but in the interest of having an answer I typed it up." CreationDate="2014-06-24T14:57:11.753" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8057" PostId="1758" Score="0" Text="Thanks! I've accepted." CreationDate="2014-06-24T15:29:42.797" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="8135" PostId="1759" Score="2" Text="Aaron: as the MO question has been reopened, the OP requests that the answers here be made answers there. (I don't have the tools to do that automatically myself.)" CreationDate="2014-07-03T12:43:40.683" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8066" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="I fully agree.  See http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1407/9072 for my version of the proposal." CreationDate="2014-06-26T17:04:50.040" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8067" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="Perhaps lattices-Zn and lattices-minmax might help?  This is definitely a case where a short modifier would be useful.  Gerhard &quot;Using Algebraic Lattices Is Confusing&quot; Paseman, 2014.06.26" CreationDate="2014-06-26T17:38:36.863" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="8068" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman yes something along these lines. However, I would prefer other disambiguations (the usage of Wikipedia seems a good model).// Also it might be worth noting there is a tag [tag:euclidean-lattices] and also lattice in the alg sense can be used more general than disc subgroups of R^n or someting iso to Z^n." CreationDate="2014-06-26T18:45:13.200" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8069" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the link, I had a vague recollection this was discussed before, but couldn’t find it. However, @quid, I am quite confused by your comments both here and there. The post http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1375 discusses exactly the same distinction as here (“lattice as an algebraic structure” is the same thing as “lattice as a poset”, just formulated in a different signature). You somehow seem to call “algebraic” what everyone else in the discussion calls “geometric”, or otherwise I can’t make heads or tails of the last sentence in your post here. Could you please clarify?" CreationDate="2014-06-27T10:01:36.907" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8070" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek in http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/679/lattices/ it was suggested by Ryan Budney to have lattice-poset and lattice-subgroup, mentioning Wikipedia, and I agree this is a good idea. I refered to the *latter* as algebraic (perhaps this is a bad/confusing idea though) and would call geometric only special cases of it, like the one you mention, for which there is more or less a tag already namely euclidean-lattices (though one might generalize the name a bit to point-lattices as suggested in the tea thread you link to)." CreationDate="2014-06-27T10:31:13.283" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8071" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="I should however add that I do not have a fixed opinion here, also what I suggest might still miss out on some lattices in the sense of modules (and I somehow lumped this into the 'algebraic'), and I feel I do not fully oversee the situation. The main point I wanted to make here, in view of your proposal and Gerhard Paseman's comment is that not every use of lattice that is not the partial order meaning is captured well by the second tag proposed, and indeed for what you seem to propose, there mainly is a tag already (namely euclidean-lattices)." CreationDate="2014-06-27T10:48:11.150" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8072" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="That’s not what I want to propose, I want to disambiguate the existing two mixed-up tags into two categories as broad as possible. Above I was just trying to figure out your terminology, so that we are both talking about the same thing, I didn’t mean to restrict the second category to sublattices of $\mathbb R^n$. Ryan Budney’s proposal looks fine to me. “Lattice-poset” is not ideal as more often than not, they are considered as algebraic rather than order-theoretic structures, but in view of your comments, “lattice-subgroup” can also be interpreted as algebraic, so one needs another ..." CreationDate="2014-06-27T11:22:45.030" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8073" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="... word, and “poset” should do the job. Whether “lattice-subgroup” is an adequate description for the second meaning I can’t tell, as I am not much familiar with this field, but if it looks good to you, I’d go with it." CreationDate="2014-06-27T11:26:58.043" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8074" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="I agree this should be the main concern. On second thought lattice-subgroup could have the issue to be read as &quot;lattice of subgroups&quot; , which would be quite unfortuante. Not sure how to call it. Perhaps we could simply use certain languages other than English and the problem will be trivial :-)" CreationDate="2014-06-27T12:22:12.483" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8075" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="Hmm, that’s a good point. Dropping the “sub” might help, but then again, “lattice-group” could be easily misinterpreted as referring to l-groups. Maybe “lattice-module”? (Though that sounds dangerously close to modular lattices. Oh dear.)" CreationDate="2014-06-27T13:30:00.927" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8089" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="I only see two questions with lattice-theory tags that involve free abelian groups with quadratic forms." CreationDate="2014-07-01T05:38:23.500" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="8114" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="@S. Carnahan: I see three (out of the 29 total, a substantial fraction of which is dual tagged). The real problem is the [tag:lattices] tag, which contains many questions of both kinds." CreationDate="2014-07-02T14:47:03.323" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="18435" PostId="1761" Score="1" Text="I indeed think that [tag:lattice-theory] should be changed to [tag:lattice-ordering]. As regards [tag:lattices], maybe [tag:lattices-discrete-subgroups]? it's a bit lengthy but takes into account various ambiguities. It also takes into account the increasing research on discrete subgroups of Lie groups beyond the lattice case." CreationDate="2019-02-23T12:02:56.530" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="8079" PostId="1763" Score="9" Text="Well thought out questions from non experts are generally well received on MO.   I checked a few of your questions. Most got only up votes or no votes at all.  Only one got many down votes, and not because of the question, which was fine, but because your comments were deemed unacceptably impolite." CreationDate="2014-06-29T12:56:10.993" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8080" PostId="1763" Score="0" Text="@BillJohnson That particular thread is very interesting.  I was not satisfied with the answer given, should I be forced to accept?  Maybe my question was phrase wrong.  There was a comment about &quot;idle curiosity&quot;... I did not feel it was his place to decide that.  So yes, I am asking here about academic best practices, at least as far as MO goes." CreationDate="2014-06-29T13:13:28.167" UserId="1358" />
  <row Id="8081" PostId="1763" Score="12" Text="Since that earlier regrettable thread was brought up, and while we are on the topic of dis-incentivizing, it could also be argued that downvoting a mathematically correct answer that was trying to be helpful is also dis-incentivizing. (No, of course one doesn't have to *accept* that or any answer. But marking it down is something else. A &quot;thanks, but what I was really looking for was...&quot; probably wouldn't have garnered such a counter-reaction.)" CreationDate="2014-06-29T17:06:38.903" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8082" PostId="1763" Score="4" Text="@ToddTrimble: Several comments in that thread seem to have now been deleted (if I recall correctly, some of the deleted comments are from other users besides OP).  Perhaps that is for the better, but it might make incomprehensible to anyone viewing the question now the reasons for the ``counter-reaction&quot; that you mentioned.  This is certainly off-topic, but perhaps a little relevant to incentives/disincentives for activity on the site." CreationDate="2014-06-29T18:30:27.477" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="8083" PostId="1763" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble the act of pressing the &quot;Ask Question&quot; button and typing has often clarified a lot of doubts on its own before going to press.  I have to look up all the references in order to make a sensible question.  Sometimes I post questions on Math.SE that I had personally resolved but may be of interest to others." CreationDate="2014-06-29T19:31:23.680" UserId="1358" />
  <row Id="8085" PostId="1763" Score="6" Text="@Lucia Yeah, I deleted those comments (partly in response to a bunch of fresh flags), but only after a long period of hesitation before I decided in the end it really would be best for the health of the site. The ones not from the OP were deleted either because they too were heated, or because they made no sense after deleting prior ones. I'm sorry if that makes matters now hard to follow, but think of me as the cop who says to curious onlookers at an accident site, &quot;nothing to see here, folks; move along now...&quot;" CreationDate="2014-06-29T19:58:34.700" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8086" PostId="1763" Score="2" Text="@johnmangual I know the feeling. That's interesting (and generous) what you do at MSE." CreationDate="2014-06-29T20:03:51.440" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8115" PostId="1763" Score="5" Text="There is an opposite problem I have seen.  A good question is asked, but non-experts vote to close it, mistakenly thinking it is just an exercise." CreationDate="2014-07-02T15:39:45.327" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="8084" PostId="1764" Score="4" Text="I think that the community should choose with care when to be rough or intimidating.  In particular, if a new user is not familiar with how to ask a question, there should be a moderator (or moderator-like) reminder of what should be done to improve the question.  In particular, if we want good questions, we should act more in terms of a) editing the question toward the direction desired, and b) explaining the edit (possibly even in the post instead of commenting) to whoever views the question.  Gerhard &quot;With Less Intervention Upon Maturation&quot; Paseman, 2014.06.29" CreationDate="2014-06-29T19:52:46.477" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="8087" PostId="1764" Score="4" Text="@GerhardPaseman Yes, that's sensible advice to keep in mind where applicable. I'll only say that experts can sometimes intimidate even when they don't really mean to and even when there's nothing the matter with the question, and there should be a little more sensitivity on that score as well." CreationDate="2014-06-29T20:16:38.943" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8153" PostId="1764" Score="1" Text="I would hope that we would never *choose* to be rough or intimidating!" CreationDate="2014-07-04T18:53:52.750" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="8093" PostId="1765" Score="3" Text="Your remark reminds me of this quip by Beresford Parlett: &quot;Only wimps do the general case. Real teachers&#xA;tackle examples.&quot; (Disclaimer: I don't agree with that.)" CreationDate="2014-07-01T12:19:28.840" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8088" PostId="1766" Score="10" Text="What makes you think this is an inconsistency in policy, rather than a non-uniformity in practice?  For that matter, the closing of questions is shaped by guidelines, but decided by users." CreationDate="2014-07-01T05:12:33.177" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="8090" PostId="1766" Score="0" Text="It could very well be a matter of non-uniform practice.  My experience with migration is close to nil: my belief was that there were guidelines that were clear to follow, and that things were migrated accordingly.  Put it down to my naivete and faith in the system.  If the answer is &quot;We haven't gotten to it yet.&quot;, I would understand.  I could stand more information about the consequences of migration.  No offense meant regarding policy, it's just that poor practice did not occur to me as I was writing this question." CreationDate="2014-07-01T06:17:16.037" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8091" PostId="1766" Score="5" Text="I still don't see why you insist on using judgmental language like &quot;poor practice&quot; here.  Five people voted to close and migrate one poorly worded and vague question, and a different, well-written question did not attract 5 votes to close.  Even without those distinctions, I don't think the walls separating questions that should be closed, migrated, or kept open can be made ultra-precise." CreationDate="2014-07-01T09:16:15.473" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="8092" PostId="1766" Score="1" Text="In general questions that are answered well should not be migrated (this is general network policy and since *migration is inter-network it applies* to &quot;us&quot; even if we assume that in general it does not). I would thus say that the one migration is at odds with guidelines. (Depending on timeline it still could happen easily though; this is not meant as an accussation. Also the guidelines might not be that clear or well-known.)" CreationDate="2014-07-01T10:15:34.193" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8096" PostId="1766" Score="3" Text="Having cast the first vote to migrate the sum of squares question, I should probably clarify that I hesitated a lot whether to vote to close it as unclear instead (on account of issues with “non-consecutive”/“not necessarily consecutive”, “unique”, and what is $n$), and at that point, there were *not* yet any answers." CreationDate="2014-07-01T13:55:27.343" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8101" PostId="1766" Score="1" Text="@S. Carnahan. I am feeling judgmental, and it seems my choice of words reflect that.  From my perspective, I see two questions that deserve equal treatment, and they are not getting it.  Stefan Kohl makes a good distinction, but to me that seems more a reason for closing, editing and reopening than for migration.  It is my intent to understand more than to challenge; Emil's comment comes closest to answering my intent. If you need to understand my motivation for choice of words, take it as a belief of unequal treatment." CreationDate="2014-07-01T16:33:10.337" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8097" PostId="1767" Score="0" Text="Thank you for covering the technical aspect.  Is this spelled out on meta.stackexchange or in help documents somewhere?" CreationDate="2014-07-01T16:09:16.087" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8098" PostId="1767" Score="0" Text="Yes I am in the process of writing another answer, where you will find a link. Just a minute." CreationDate="2014-07-01T16:10:51.980" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8099" PostId="1767" Score="0" Text="For completeness here is a link (essentially the same as in the other answer) to a source for the above http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10249/what-is-migration-and-how-does-it-work" CreationDate="2014-07-01T16:21:20.620" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8102" PostId="1769" Score="1" Text="Thank you also for this.  If nothing else (and even if the community disagrees with my perspective), I find in this support for my belief that a mistake was made in migrating just one of the questions, even if the mistake was unintentional." CreationDate="2014-07-01T16:48:34.983" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8103" PostId="1769" Score="3" Text="You are welcome. I consider the migration of the one question as not optimal for the reasons explained (independently of any comparison, but the situation would be worse if both had been migrated). Generally speaking, little is to be gained by such one by one comparisons. Moderation especially community moderation is not an exact science." CreationDate="2014-07-01T19:26:08.553" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8104" PostId="1770" Score="2" Text="Is a question with active bounty eligible at all for closure / migration? -- At least a user cannot vote to close in such situation, as far as I know." CreationDate="2014-07-01T20:43:08.933" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12622" PostId="1770" Score="0" Text="See also [What happens to a bounty question if it gets migrated?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/38819/what-happens-to-a-bounty-question-if-it-gets-migrated) on meta.SE." CreationDate="2016-03-12T13:47:31.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="8116" PostId="1771" Score="2" Text="That seems to make sense.  I will flag the question for a moderator and explain my request - thanks for your help." CreationDate="2014-07-02T19:03:35.363" UserId="4362" />
  <row Id="8107" PostId="1772" Score="5" Text="If it has positively scored answers, you simply cannot delete it (this is a feature of the platform)." CreationDate="2014-07-02T12:10:06.280" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="8108" PostId="1772" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft — That's good to know. I guess that more or less answers this question…" CreationDate="2014-07-02T12:26:56.470" UserId="21815" />
  <row Id="8109" PostId="1772" Score="1" Text="Still you can edit your question to mark it as withdrawn, and describe why it doesn't make sense. -- This would certainly be helpful for future readers." CreationDate="2014-07-02T12:41:45.337" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8110" PostId="1772" Score="0" Text="Actual deletion either requires the question to be closed (needs 5 votes) and then a number of delete votes depending on how many answers with what vote scores the question has, or moderator intervention." CreationDate="2014-07-02T12:43:50.377" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8111" PostId="1772" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl — Thanks! I already made an edit explaining why the first question does not make sense. My second attempt is vague, but as far as I see it is not really nonsense. If deleting the question is too much of a hassle, I will just leave it like this. Maybe some expert has something knowledgeable to say about my vague 2nd question…" CreationDate="2014-07-02T12:56:57.867" UserId="21815" />
  <row Id="8112" PostId="1772" Score="0" Text="I'd say whether a question should be kept or deleted depends on whether it has still positive value for readers or not. If you think the latter is the case here, deletion shouldn't be too much of a hassle." CreationDate="2014-07-02T14:24:32.733" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8113" PostId="1772" Score="0" Text="In my eyes the positive value is very very small. It might prevent future readers from making the same mistake, that's it. However, I think DonuArapura and JBorger also deserve a say in this, as they have upvoted answers to this question." CreationDate="2014-07-02T14:31:37.963" UserId="21815" />
  <row Id="8131" PostId="1772" Score="1" Text="If it really bothers you and you  want to delete it by going through some complicated process, then I won't be offended. But I honestly don't find the question so bad. Clearly there *ought* be some reasonable answer, although I suspect it would require some new ideas." CreationDate="2014-07-03T05:01:08.677" UserId="4144" />
  <row Id="8132" PostId="1772" Score="2" Text="@DonuArapura — Ok, I agree. I'll leave the question as is; but currently it's more or less a *punch in the air* (if that is an English expression)." CreationDate="2014-07-03T05:36:18.787" UserId="21815" />
  <row Id="8127" PostId="1773" Score="5" Text="Me too. And I Was going to post a question on meta with the same pun on curious :-)" CreationDate="2014-07-02T23:35:23.407" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="8128" PostId="1774" Score="6" Text="Not that badges question are so important, but it seems to me that while these badges might be a good idea, the conditions of their attribution are way too lenient for our site. So basically, if you have five question (asked on different days) with a +1 score, and 4 questions with a -1 score, you get a badge ! That's weird." CreationDate="2014-07-02T23:46:40.677" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="8129" PostId="1774" Score="1" Text="And I thought perhaps I was uniquely identified as *Curious* etc.!" CreationDate="2014-07-03T00:55:17.777" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="8130" PostId="1774" Score="1" Text="@Joseph: But isn't Curious George curious as well? :-)" CreationDate="2014-07-03T01:39:13.640" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8133" PostId="1774" Score="0" Text="I was quite tickled to receive my first curious badge, given my avatar :)" CreationDate="2014-07-03T09:35:52.667" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8182" PostId="1774" Score="2" Text="I find the subtle sense of humour behind some of the badges quite amusing; when I was awarded the tumble weed badge, that made my day. I hope, that that kind of twinkle in the eye will not be given up." CreationDate="2014-07-06T10:22:05.020" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="8117" PostId="1775" Score="1" Text="As I said in the comments, it has an easy elementary solution that you're missing.  And in fact sometime back in the 20th century I remember being asked to solve an isomorphic problem on the homework in an undergraduate combinatorics class." CreationDate="2014-07-02T20:54:54.470" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="8118" PostId="1775" Score="7" Text="The meta question is fine, I see no need to downvote the meta question (even if the comments on main are not so great)." CreationDate="2014-07-02T21:03:50.250" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8136" PostId="1775" Score="3" Text="@quid This question was probably downvoted because of the tone. The Masked Avenger explained very well how to solve the problem in a comment at MO, and yet the OP seems to reject the explanation." CreationDate="2014-07-03T13:38:40.317" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8138" PostId="1775" Score="0" Text="you can ask anything for a student, even if he is undergraduate. Whether he will manage to solve it in available time is another matter." CreationDate="2014-07-03T14:47:36.613" UserId="39395" />
  <row Id="8144" PostId="1775" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble thanks for the comment. But please note that the meta-post predates any comment (at least non-deleted ones) of The Masked Avenger and not much time eleapsed between the posting and the first dv (as docuemented by the time of my comment); I am thus not convinced your explanation is a good one." CreationDate="2014-07-04T13:32:32.717" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8145" PostId="1775" Score="1" Text="@quid You can ignore the timeline and any mention of mine of the Masked Avenger's comments (i.e., take that mention as mere addendum and not 'explanation'), and the tone is still bad." CreationDate="2014-07-04T13:40:24.907" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8147" PostId="1775" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble even admitting this,  what is gained by downvoting it? (Note that I said I see no need, so if you want to disagree with me you should explain the need.)" CreationDate="2014-07-04T13:56:54.077" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8148" PostId="1775" Score="3" Text="@quid I don't disagree with you. Nothing is particularly gained by an unexplained downvote, but for the benefit of the OP, it might be helpful to know a likely reason for the downvotes." CreationDate="2014-07-04T14:11:01.957" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8149" PostId="1775" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble glad this is clarified. I am pretty sure that some will/would have read your first comment as justifying unexplained downvotes on such questions, whence my reaction." CreationDate="2014-07-04T15:53:55.990" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8119" PostId="1776" Score="0" Text="I don't know if you can comment on this answer.  You should be able to post a response as another answer or question edit.  Not optimal, I know." CreationDate="2014-07-02T21:22:22.063" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8120" PostId="1776" Score="1" Text="*Of course* OP can comment here. From the help center &quot;Please note that you can always comment on your own posts, *and any part of your questions.*&quot; (my emph)" CreationDate="2014-07-02T21:28:16.867" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8121" PostId="1776" Score="4" Text="The OP asked the question on math.se and has already accepted an answer, so I doubt we'll hear from them again : http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/854745/" CreationDate="2014-07-02T21:46:13.060" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="8122" PostId="1776" Score="0" Text="@Andy, if you're right, mission accomplished.  I still have the opinion a different approach was needed here.  Moving on to more productive pursuits..." CreationDate="2014-07-02T21:52:53.817" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8123" PostId="1776" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman I fully agree that the question is off-topic, but I also think that OP honestly thought the question is on-topic here. (Why would they ask it here, and not on math.SE where they had asked various questions before? Some of them seeming harder than that one.) I thus believe (with the benefit of hind sight) that a more clear/detailed indication why the question is off-topic would have been better. Perhaps also worth noting that the question got a vote to reopen." CreationDate="2014-07-02T22:02:48.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8124" PostId="1776" Score="4" Text="@quid : I suspect that the vote to reopen came from the OP (you can vote to close and open your own questions).  As far as how to convince the OP that it was elementary, I'm not really sure how to do so without telling them how to solve it, which I think is inappropriate and likely to lead to more bad questions.  Any suggestions you have would be appreciated." CreationDate="2014-07-02T22:21:55.240" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="8125" PostId="1776" Score="3" Text="@AndyPutman The reopen vote cannot have been OP. Voting ones own question also needs some points (namely 250). I disagree that it is likely that giving a quick but clear pointer in the comments will contribute in any relevant way to more bad questions. Or, at least, the contribution would be so small that I consider it as relatively less bad than the comment and meta noise we had. (But it is hard to quantify this and ones priorities can reasonably be different here, so I guess in the end all we can do is to agree to disagree.)" CreationDate="2014-07-02T22:53:00.683" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8126" PostId="1776" Score="3" Text="@quid : Interesting, I did not know that.  I'm a little surprised that a high-rep user would have voted to reopen, but who knows?  Anyway, I suspect that both of us understand each other's point of view, and that is probably the best that can be accomplished in this situation." CreationDate="2014-07-02T22:55:21.010" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="8137" PostId="1776" Score="4" Text="Indeed, I asked the same question on Math.SE. It would be more nice and more efficient if the suggestion to redirect it to Math.SE came at first place. It simply is not efficient to close the question and write &quot;it has elementary solution&quot;. It might be elementary, but I was looking for a solution anyways (or at least an advice on my path). I am running a PhD on engineering, thus I have no knowledge on combinatorics. For someone who wants to solve it starting from simple high school knowledge, it is not elementary nor trivial!" CreationDate="2014-07-03T14:38:35.130" UserId="39395" />
  <row Id="8139" PostId="1776" Score="0" Text="@user38397, thank you for your comment.  I will try suggesting math.SE first next time." CreationDate="2014-07-03T15:08:36.550" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8150" PostId="1776" Score="6" Text="@user38397 *For someone who wants to solve it starting from simple high school knowledge, it is not elementary nor trivial!* High school knowledge is a huge overkill for realizing that the answer is $1^{N-1}+2^{N-1}+\dots+K^{N-1}$ and the university education is barely enough to state what it means that it is not an elementary formula. On the other hand, you once more raised the question that I'm raising every time I can: Won't it be more useful for every conceivable objective (barring giving Stewart more easy income) to teach basic discrete math instead of some parts of cookbook calculus?" CreationDate="2014-07-04T16:04:07.420" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="8151" PostId="1776" Score="0" Text="@fedja, I think you solved a different problem.  I get different numbers for K=2." CreationDate="2014-07-04T17:57:07.293" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8190" PostId="1776" Score="4" Text="@fedja You are interpreting &quot;bigger than or equal to the last one&quot; differently from the Masked Avenger. You think it means $a_i \geq a_N$ for all $i$, Masked Avenger thinks it means $a_i \geq a_{i-1}$. Your count is $1+2^{N-1} + \cdots + K^{N-1}$; Masked Avenger's is a binomial coefficient." CreationDate="2014-07-07T15:19:36.813" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="8192" PostId="1776" Score="0" Text="@David, thanks for that bit of detective work.  It lends support to the notion that fedja is not trolling, which was my hope." CreationDate="2014-07-07T17:01:45.197" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8194" PostId="1776" Score="0" Text="@David Speyer Erm... True enough. Unfortunately, the example OP gave (N=2) doesn't allow to distinguish between the two and &quot;the last in the list&quot; is as common as &quot;the last in the queue&quot;. As to the general question of trolling, I guess I may be on the borderline occasionally, but, at least, I try not to post when I have nothing to say, so if something I post looks strange, a failed communication is more probable than a malicious intent. Alas, for the last month I had no time to really think of MO questions, so I was posting more when &quot;overwhelmed emotionally&quot; than when &quot;having a bright idea&quot;." CreationDate="2014-07-08T10:18:39.300" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="8196" PostId="1776" Score="0" Text="@fedja, at the time, I could  not imagine what misunderstanding would lead to such a strange post.  Thanks to David, I have another option besides mathematical error (shudder) and trolling (uncharacteristic and not clearly warranted) to suggest your comment.  The world seems right once more." CreationDate="2014-07-08T22:54:54.793" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8197" PostId="1776" Score="0" Text="@The Masked Avenger &gt;&gt;&gt;The world seems right once more&lt;&lt;&lt; It does not, really, but not because of what happens on MO :-). I apologize for the confusion. I wish I could comment on something more interesting..." CreationDate="2014-07-09T03:13:01.820" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="8142" PostId="1777" Score="0" Text="I decided to post this as a separate question and feature-request" CreationDate="2014-07-04T13:07:26.120" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="21283" PostId="1777" Score="0" Text="[Link to separate question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1778/why-not-restoring-the-10-reputation-for-questions-but-make-each-negative-vote)" CreationDate="2019-11-15T14:50:02.483" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="8143" PostId="1778" Score="12" Text="One thing that might be pertinent here is that a large percentage of 'bad' questions are from those who have just 1 point of rep, where subtraction of -10 is moot. Often these are the people we never hear from again anyway. For others who really want to stick around, I personally feel it is better to teach them what a good question looks like in a not-too punitive way (for those who persist in asking unwanted questions, moderators can take other steps), and that increasing the penalty could scare a lot of people away who could have become decent contributors." CreationDate="2014-07-04T13:28:07.577" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8146" PostId="1778" Score="6" Text="To describe the increase as slight seems odd to me; in some sense it is an infinite increase. Downvoting *questions* costs 0 points at the moment." CreationDate="2014-07-04T13:44:05.010" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8163" PostId="1778" Score="0" Text="@Todd: Would it reduce your concerns if voting would be symmetric (&quot;loss&quot; from a downvote equals &quot;gain&quot; from an upvote), but there is a cap at zero, i.e. no post may result in total in a loss of points?" CreationDate="2014-07-05T10:32:38.693" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8175" PostId="1778" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Yes, it's an interesting suggestion. I'd like to think further on how big the &quot;problem&quot; is that the suggestion is meant to address, or if this might do more harm than good. Just to be clear: do you propose that the question-downvoter lose no rep (the way we have it now)?" CreationDate="2014-07-05T19:22:48.107" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8176" PostId="1778" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: Yes, my proposal is to leave this as it is, i.e. the question-downvoter looses no points. I think taking away points from the downvoter would be almost a similarly bad idea as giving points to the upvoter -- both would effectively prevent an unbiased decision. Further, to be precise, I'd suggest to make gain / loss of points independent of the order in which the up- and downvotes on a post are cast, i.e. $+5/-5$ is always zero, as is $+3/-10$." CreationDate="2014-07-05T20:08:25.480" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8177" PostId="1778" Score="1" Text="&quot;Those questions often has a large number of positive vote, and an almost as large number of negative votes, [...]&quot; This seems quite false.  Please provide examples. For example [a question on mathematicians with contributions outside their own field](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/173268/mathematicians-who-made-important-contributions-outside-their-own-field) got at the time of writing **4 votes to close** but only **2 dv** (one from me for both, but I only cast the dv now). Examples like this abound. Downvotes are rare." CreationDate="2014-07-06T00:06:57.417" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8179" PostId="1778" Score="0" Text="Dear Quid, I agree with what you and Todd said in comments. My proposal was not well-thought. I was forgetting that down-voting a question was, in the current system, free, and I didn't realize the obvious excessively punitive connotation of taking 10 reputations to the OP for any down vote. But for your request of providing example, I was certainly not thinking about the question on &quot;contributions outside their own field&quot; which I like, and for which I would not understand the vote to close if a comment by the OP had not made it open-ended by allowing contributions in an other fields of math.." CreationDate="2014-07-06T04:32:02.063" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="8180" PostId="1778" Score="2" Text="... but I was rather thinking about very controversial question like &quot;is Euclid dead?&quot; which got quite an impressive number of down votes." CreationDate="2014-07-06T04:34:00.043" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="8181" PostId="1778" Score="4" Text="... And also a rather depressing number of up-votes..." CreationDate="2014-07-06T04:46:47.813" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="8188" PostId="1778" Score="1" Text="Even &quot;Euclid&quot; would have done better under your rules (ignoring for the sake of discussion, daily cap, CW and so on). And, generally, many downvotes on one post more often than not occur for &quot;bad&quot; reasons like teaching some poster a lesson or something like this. While sometimes I wished too that dv had more of an actual effect, I think in the end it is better they do not. It would cause more issues than it solves. But it seems we somehow agree anyway." CreationDate="2014-07-06T16:36:44.960" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8152" PostId="1779" Score="5" Text="10k+ users can view selfdeleted posts just like any other deleted post.  The problem is to find them. Do you mean to ask for their inclusion in the recently deleted list or something else?  In the specific case your browser history might help you to find it again." CreationDate="2014-07-04T18:23:36.780" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8154" PostId="1779" Score="1" Text="Really?  It is not listed under recent deletions, nor does it show when I do a search for deletions.  How do you find it?" CreationDate="2014-07-04T19:07:04.000" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8155" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="I also went to Ozawa's recent actions (which includes comments) and his comments on the thread are not listed." CreationDate="2014-07-04T19:18:03.603" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8156" PostId="1779" Score="1" Text="Sorry if I was not clear; I think we are talking sideways. No, they are not listed under recent deletions. This is why I asked if you mean to ask for their inclusion in this list. Yes they are hard to find, as I said &quot;The problem is to find them.&quot; But *one can* (with 10k+) still view a self-deleted post (if one knows the URL). So what you explcitly ask for *is possible* as you aren't blocked from viewing such a post (by contrast a 2518 points user is blocked from viewing deleted content even if they know the URL, and one could imagine that for selfdeleted content everybody is blocked)." CreationDate="2014-07-04T19:35:03.610" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8157" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="So, it is not about &quot;to view a post&quot; but about something else. Now I infer you would be happy if such a post was included in the list of recently deleted posts.  But one could also envision something else, for example, a dedicated list (exists for moderators) or that recently asked yet already deleted questions stay visible in the general question list for highrep users, or that related activity (comments) stay for a while in the respective users activity tab. Or still something else. So I wanted to know what precisely it is that you would want." CreationDate="2014-07-04T19:36:20.253" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8158" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="Finally for finding such posts: If you never saw it it would be quite hard  to do so. One could step through the posts by number. But in the particular case as you saw the post earlier you could have a good chance if you are using the same browser where you saw it and do not have &quot;agressive&quot; deletion settings for your browsers history. By browsing the list of URLs you visited in your browser, you should be able to find the URL of the question in question and then you can still view it." CreationDate="2014-07-04T19:38:15.157" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8159" PostId="1779" Score="5" Text="Thanks, quid; I understand now.  My recommendation would be for the OP deleted posts to be listed under recent deletions." CreationDate="2014-07-04T19:56:59.310" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8160" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="I cannot use the history feature to find the post because I am working on a different computer.  I saw the post yesterday while I was in my office." CreationDate="2014-07-04T19:58:23.290" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8161" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="Bill, luckily I had not got round to clearing the cache on this device: try http://mathoverflow.net/questions/173233/on-injective-banach-space-c-0x" CreationDate="2014-07-04T22:57:00.000" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8162" PostId="1779" Score="1" Text="And you can vote to undelete (as I just did)." CreationDate="2014-07-05T10:20:48.813" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8164" PostId="1779" Score="1" Text="You are welcome. I agree it can be irritating if posts just are gone, and it would be better if self-deleted posts could also be traced a bit better like you propse. (The handling of deletions and deleted content IMO was really better on MO 1.0.) // On the specific case and a bit more generally: I would say *if* one does not want ones comments answering a question deleted *then* one should give them as answer (in CW if one wants). Possibly OP thought in good faith it is appropriate to delete the question since it seemed it is was not considered as deserving an answer proper or an upvote." CreationDate="2014-07-05T12:31:31.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8165" PostId="1779" Score="1" Text="This is a bit off-topic here but, since @GerryMyerson mentions it:  Generally I am almost always against undoing self deletions. What would be the point in this case? Does somebody plan to give a proper/detailed answer now? If yes, then maybe I could see the point. But perhaps OP is working on a revised version of the question." CreationDate="2014-07-05T12:42:53.793" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8166" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="@quid, I am in favor of undoing deletions if significant mathematical contant has been deleted." CreationDate="2014-07-05T12:57:59.213" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8167" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson I know there are different opinions. But I guess this is not a good place to discuss them in general. (A tangential point to consider: eventually autodeletion would almost delete the question as it is now, and chances are the autodeletion criteria will be change so that it actually will get deleted in the future, if noone gives an answer or votes possitively on it. So if nothing else it feels a bit pointless to undelete it without clear perspective of what will happen next, so that it will quite likely be *deleted again* down the road.)" CreationDate="2014-07-05T13:20:23.333" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8168" PostId="1779" Score="1" Text="Thanks, Yemon. The OP also deleted a comment the OP made that was substantive (that an injective $C(K)$ space, $K$ compact Hausdorff, has a dense open extremally disconnected subset).  The OP did not give a reference but said who had proved it. Apparently deleted comments really are deleted; at least, this 10K user cannot find it." CreationDate="2014-07-05T13:37:59.920" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8169" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="@quid: The first question the OP asked was, as Taka pointed out in the first comment, trivial. The second question is certainly a reasonable one.  Taka, Yemon, and the OP all made substantive comments that did not answer the question, so (IMO appropriately) no one wrote an answer.  It is strange to have to make a comment an answer just to protect the post from deletion by the OP." CreationDate="2014-07-05T13:46:12.220" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8170" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="Deleted comments can only be seen by moderators; however even a moderator cannot undelete a *self* deleted comment (they can undeleted comments deleted differently). I have no specific opinion regarding the merits of the current question this being quite outside my expertise. But I will repeat that if the question stays like this it will quite possibly be autodeleted down the road, due to it being score 0. Reasonable questions should be upvoted. This does not directly prevent deletions (though autodel) but sends the message that the question is welcome on the site; an all caps &quot;no&quot; does not." CreationDate="2014-07-05T14:07:35.687" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8171" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="Well, I might upvote the post eventually if there are further substantive comments.  The first question is trivial and the OP put no effort into explaining motivation or background, so it does not deserve upvotes." CreationDate="2014-07-05T14:22:17.837" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8172" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="@quid I remember that some time ago there was an irritating and somewhat unethical spate of &quot;hit-and-run&quot; questions in matrix analysis, from someone trying to get MO to write his or her paper/thesis. Self-deletion seemed to be a way of covering tracks or obscuring the record" CreationDate="2014-07-05T16:00:38.190" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8173" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi I am aware of the events you refer to. I am not sure how this is relevant here. In any case, meanwhile questions with answers are pretty hard to self-delete, and as said moderators have a dedicated list to monitor for self-deletions. To spot *patterns* of such possibly abusive self-deletions it might arguably be better to leave monitoring  to a small group (the moderators). However, as said as well, I do not have anything against the (re)inclusion of the selfdeltions in the general list of recent deletion; actually I am in favor of it." CreationDate="2014-07-05T17:30:32.423" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8174" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="And, as long as we are discussing history, just recently effort needed to expanded by MO moderators and SE staff to fix a problem caused by overactive undeleters. (@YemonChoi )" CreationDate="2014-07-05T17:35:39.963" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8193" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="Update:  The question mathoverflow.net/questions/173233/ was reopened and received an answer that was accepted by the OP." CreationDate="2014-07-07T20:08:40.097" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8184" PostId="1780" Score="6" Text="Various users of the site are of the opinion that it is **not desirable** to use MathJax in titles; see this almost duplicate http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/591/editing-titles-to-include-mathfraklatex-math" CreationDate="2014-07-06T10:55:06.387" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="14890" PostId="1780" Score="0" Text="For one, try clicking a question title that consists entirely of math environment." CreationDate="2017-09-09T17:48:41.813" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="8183" PostId="1781" Score="3" Text="For thos that do not click through, let me add that the frontpage did not render math mode since it was decided it should be like this (it could have been rendered on MO 1.0, too). And, that it is rendered now can be seen as a regression of the upgrade to MO 2.0 (as opposed to an improvement)." CreationDate="2014-07-06T10:43:46.603" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8185" PostId="1782" Score="5" Text="Could you please describe the part of the documentation your refer to more precisely. I am not sure what you mean. Meanwhile, see http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/mathjax-basic-tutorial-and-quick-reference" CreationDate="2014-07-06T11:18:00.023" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8186" PostId="1782" Score="0" Text="@quid the link I used, was http://www.math.harvard.edu/texman/node21.html#SECTION00084000000000000000 wich I reached via the orange &quot;MathJax Help&quot; link, that appears, when editing a question; of course most things also work in MathJax, but not all. I'd suggest, the MathJax Help would link to the stackexchange question, you pointed me to." CreationDate="2014-07-06T11:37:08.520" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="8187" PostId="1782" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification. I now found it in the grey box to the right. I agree that this seems a bit too general a link." CreationDate="2014-07-06T13:23:28.723" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8328" PostId="1782" Score="0" Text="just found a quite helpful link http://www.calculatorium.com/mathjax-quick-start-tutorial" CreationDate="2014-07-25T12:36:49.170" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="8329" PostId="1782" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak good idea to forward a request to MathJax" CreationDate="2014-07-25T12:38:09.163" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="13344" PostId="1782" Score="0" Text="I just found another nice [online documentation](http://www.martinkeefe.com/math/mathjax3)" CreationDate="2016-07-06T12:16:59.693" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="15268" PostId="1782" Score="0" Text="Related: [FAQ on typesetting of formulae hard to find](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2957)" CreationDate="2017-11-19T10:38:08.013" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16448" PostId="1782" Score="1" Text="Some links are collected in this answer: [How does one type mathematical formulas on this site?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3763#3765) I don't think I any one of them is optimal, but let's hope that a few users will join in and other some additional useful links. (Then everybody can choose the one which seems most useful for them.)" CreationDate="2018-06-13T05:53:48.247" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28405" PostId="1782" Score="0" Text="It's actually possible for CMs to update the URL that the &quot;MathJax help&quot; link (at the bottom of the LaTeX section of the `/editing-help` page) points to. [See this post on MSE for more info about updating the &quot;MathJax help&quot; link.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/288209/335251)" CreationDate="2023-03-25T04:57:43.837" UserId="350173" />
  <row Id="8191" PostId="1783" Score="0" Text="On my new iphone with lte the rendering doesn't bother me as much as it used to. But it does slow things down on my old iPad 1 on wifi." CreationDate="2014-07-07T15:42:29.817" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="8195" PostId="1784" Score="4" Text="This point of view might have some merit to it, however in the current case a main reproach (as far as there is any) is that it is a perfectly standard &quot;1-minute&quot; question, that is if one has the right knowledge (if not one could well get stumped, it is not obvious either). This is exemplefied by the question in fact having been answered quickly on Mathematics Stack Exchange once asked there." CreationDate="2014-07-08T20:30:41.500" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8307" PostId="1785" Score="1" Text="You can do it using [data.se]." CreationDate="2014-07-20T08:23:11.810" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="8198" PostId="1786" Score="0" Text="It seems you got an answer. Now, you might not be satisfied with the answer, but this can also mean that the questions was not quite clear." CreationDate="2014-07-09T08:54:52.777" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8199" PostId="1786" Score="0" Text="@quid No, there are no answers yet, only a comment (and some other deleted comments, now integrated into the question)." CreationDate="2014-07-09T11:06:47.170" UserId="50650" />
  <row Id="8200" PostId="1786" Score="0" Text="I meant the partial answer given in a comment." CreationDate="2014-07-09T12:28:31.357" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8201" PostId="1786" Score="0" Text="Seems like this meta question has provoked another helpful comment - maybe not necessary." CreationDate="2014-07-09T12:33:57.130" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="8203" PostId="1786" Score="8" Text="Why was this downvoted? Irrespective of whether it’s appropriate to move the question to MO, it is appropriate and on-topic to inquire about it here on meta." CreationDate="2014-07-09T19:20:21.857" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8204" PostId="1786" Score="5" Text="The comment I made on MSO implies that spaces with the required property must be perfect. I think one can show that this is also sufficient for $T_0$ second-countable spaces (that is, if $X$ is $T_0$ second-countable, then every closed subset of $X'$ is a boundary of a subset of $X$, even one with an empty interior). However, it seems to me that the question may be rather nontrivial in full generality, and that it is fine to re-ask it on MO." CreationDate="2014-07-09T21:43:47.387" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8205" PostId="1786" Score="0" Text="@Emil Good point.  I agree the question looks fine for MO, preferably with a link here." CreationDate="2014-07-10T10:27:08.557" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="8207" PostId="1786" Score="0" Text="I think that @EmilJeřábek comment shows that a *revised* version of the question would be fine. Why not instead of migrating it ask a question taking the information obtained via comment(answers) into account, linking to oiriginal and the meta question. Or if you really want to migrate it, edit it beforehand." CreationDate="2014-07-10T17:23:50.720" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8212" PostId="1786" Score="1" Text="@quid, EmilJerabek, Carl Thanks for the responses, I am reposting it here on MO." CreationDate="2014-07-10T20:31:50.380" UserId="50650" />
  <row Id="8213" PostId="1786" Score="1" Text="@quid By the way, by migrating I have always meant just copying the post manually and reposting, with revisions. Is there another way of making that happen?" CreationDate="2014-07-10T20:33:42.697" UserId="50650" />
  <row Id="8214" PostId="1786" Score="2" Text="Yes. In fact &quot;migration&quot; is a particular technical term in the Stack Exchange network. See http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10249/what-is-migration-and-how-does-it-work" CreationDate="2014-07-10T22:05:02.367" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8202" PostId="1787" Score="3" Text="Some MathJax staff monitor the tag [meta-tag:mathjax] so they are likely to pop up. Otherwise, you can report the bug directly to the MathJax bug tracker: https://github.com/mathjax/MathJax/issues" CreationDate="2014-07-09T14:25:49.533" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8206" PostId="1787" Score="1" Text="Peter here from the MathJax team. Francois is correct on both counts. As for your question, this looks like a typical case of webfont-related error. Usually, this is just a timing issue that goes away on a refresh. Can you test if refreshing helps you?" CreationDate="2014-07-10T14:01:51.117" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="8208" PostId="1788" Score="2" Text="I think the question was probably just closed by mistake." CreationDate="2014-07-10T17:50:20.133" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8223" PostId="1790" Score="3" Text="It seems you do not really ask what you want to know about. Deleted content especially self-deleted questions can be quite hard to find for 10k+ users&#xA;(to see the question you need its URL, but it is gone from [all] lists as it is [self] deleted...)&#xA;Depending on circumstqnces a 10k+ user might (with some effort) &#xA;be able to see the question again after deletion. &#xA;Regarding notification of comments on then deleted content there is not special-casing of 10k+. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/231668&#xA;So if you want to know if a 10k+ will have noticed such a comment the answer is &quot;maybe.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-07-12T22:15:19.400" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8228" PostId="1790" Score="0" Text="@quid you appear right. I believe the 10K user would have reloaded the page." CreationDate="2014-07-13T09:47:41.383" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12320" PostId="1790" Score="0" Text="I would love to recover my own Question which I have foolishly deleted some months ago. I'd like to read it or copy for myself." CreationDate="2016-02-12T01:27:10.060" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="8218" PostId="1791" Score="0" Text="Thank you......" CreationDate="2014-07-12T10:21:50.460" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="8219" PostId="1792" Score="2" Text="I would just like to say that I think the question would be helped by using LaTeX; it's very hard to read the mathematics (for example, I have a hard time seeing how exponents are bracketed)." CreationDate="2014-07-12T19:17:47.967" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8220" PostId="1792" Score="7" Text="I would have closed that question as &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot;.  Your terminology is very unclear, and after reading it several times I still am not sure what you're trying to ask." CreationDate="2014-07-12T20:19:16.323" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="8221" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="@Eric Wofsey - Eric, I (actually the program) only looked at pairs within the range of bases from 2 to 10 ... And the formula which I have provided for the value of the ratio of such pairs in the given base is empirical (based on the above said range of the bases). I was asking to provide theoretical proof (or disproof), which would cover all possible bases." CreationDate="2014-07-12T20:39:46.537" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8222" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="@Eric Wofsey (continuation) - In more detailed language  I was asking to provide a theoretical proof (or disproof) of my statement (that in every base such pairs exist) and also I was asking to confirm (or otherwise) that the formula derived by me (for the ratio value of such pairs) covers all possible bases." CreationDate="2014-07-12T20:59:03.653" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8225" PostId="1792" Score="7" Text="The MO question is incomprehensible. Please edit it into a form in which someone other than yourself will be able to understand it, and *then* ask for it to be reopened. Maybe get someone to help you." CreationDate="2014-07-13T01:26:24.227" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8226" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="@Gerry Myerson - I rewrote my MO question.  Could you read it and let me know whether it became comprehendible now? Thanks in advance !" CreationDate="2014-07-13T03:04:23.033" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8229" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="Since responses to my post here suggested that my MO question lacks clarity - I rewrote it and reposted under the following link http://mathoverflow.net/questions/176028/conjecture-related-to-distinct-unique-permutations-of-digits" CreationDate="2014-07-14T03:12:49.730" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8230" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="I also put &quot;reference request&quot; tag onto my question - since if the issue is trivial as it was suggested - then surely those experts should be able to refer me to the source where my question was already covered ...- that is so much more helpful then downvoting and practically suggesting reference takes the same amount of time as downvoting" CreationDate="2014-07-14T03:26:47.323" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8231" PostId="1792" Score="11" Text="The problem isn't that the question is &quot;trivial&quot;, it's that no one knows what the words you're using mean.  For instance, what is a &quot;complete set of all distinct permutations in [a] numerical base&quot;?  I _think_ you're asking something about taking a number $n$ and permuting its digits to get a number $n'$ and counting how many ways there are to get some particular ratio $n/n'$ that way, but I'm not entirely sure.  If you want to get any sort of helpful answer, you need to clearly define the terminology you're using." CreationDate="2014-07-14T08:09:27.583" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="8232" PostId="1795" Score="3" Text="Here is the introduction I just have put in my MO question:  Consider, for example, the set S10, containing all possible distinct permutations of all digits in base 10: 1,2,...,8,9,0&#xA;One could see that the one pair (P) in that set {9876543210,1234567890} yields the ratio&#xA;9876543210/1234567890=8.0000000729...&#xA;&#xA;Then one could find another pair in this set (S10), which gives the same ratio 7901234568/987654312=8.0000000729...&#xA;Then the question arises whether there are other pairs (P)in this set S10 which have the same ratio ..." CreationDate="2014-07-14T13:28:40.207" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8233" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="I wanted to continue my intro within the MO question ... but it is locked now ...  so I will do it here ...   Another question which arises - is there only one ratio in the set S10 for which multiple pairs exist ? And, finally, same questions could be extended to distinct permutations in other (than base 10) sets Sn ..." CreationDate="2014-07-14T13:57:13.420" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8234" PostId="1795" Score="1" Text="Yes, that's a good start. But I didn't understand what this expression with terms like $(n+1)^n$ and the like is supposed to count. Could you explain that as well?" CreationDate="2014-07-14T14:01:59.663" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8235" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="It appears empirically (based on computer program results for bases from 2 to 10) that the value of the ratio could be expressed as  (n^2 (n+1)^n-(n+1)^n+1) / (-n^2+n (n+1)^n+(n+1)^n-n-1)  &#xA;for n=1 ... infinity where n = r - 1  For example, if you will take the base 10 (r = 10) then n = r - 1 = 9 .  If you put n = 9 into above formula - you will get 8.0000000729 ..." CreationDate="2014-07-14T14:21:39.317" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8236" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="I still can't read that formula. Could you *please* write that in LaTeX?" CreationDate="2014-07-14T14:26:27.460" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8237" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="I don't know LaTex   I only could put $ $ around the formula to make it &quot;MathJax&quot;ed ... Will this suffice ?  $(n^2 (n+1)^n-(n+1)^n+1) / (-n^2+n (n+1)^n+(n+1)^n-n-1)$" CreationDate="2014-07-14T14:29:13.590" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8239" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="@Alex I think that the issue lies not just in LaTeX but in absence of brackets. For instance, when you write (n+1)^n+1, do you mean (n+1)^(n+1)? Or, in LaTeX, $(n+1)^n+1$ versus $(n+1)^{n+1}$" CreationDate="2014-07-14T17:55:50.533" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8241" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="@Yemon Choi It follows from the precedence of operations  - but if you want - I will use the brackets for your example, but they are really not necessary   ((n + 1)^n) + 1" CreationDate="2014-07-14T18:05:21.997" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8242" PostId="1795" Score="4" Text="@Alex Humans are not computers, so we often prefer some extra unnecessary brackets to make sure we understand everything correctly, especially since we can never be sure that there are not some other brackets missing due to a typo or similar." CreationDate="2014-07-14T18:33:12.867" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="8243" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft - acknowledged. Wouldn't it be nice if the same caution approach would be used by some quick &quot;down-voters&quot; ?" CreationDate="2014-07-14T18:39:29.853" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8244" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="What is puzzling that even by now when I have beaten here the explanation of what I have meant in my MO question &quot;to death&quot;, there are still no comments or answers pointing me to references, where my question is already covered. There are also no answers showing that my findings come out as corollaries of &quot;this&quot; and &quot;that&quot; ..." CreationDate="2014-07-14T18:54:28.390" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8251" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="I think, Todd, that what Alex wants is not quite what you write. I think the question is, given $n$, find integers $a,b$ such that there are as many $k$ as possible such that both $ka$ and $kb$ use all $n$ &quot;digits&quot; exactly once when written to base $n$ (with a leading zero permitted). It happens that in base 10 (and maybe in the other bases already studied) the ratio $a/b$ is that special ratio you discuss; perhaps it is part of the question, whether that ratio maximizes the number of integers $k$ for all $n$. But, gosh, it's hard to figure out what's meant!" CreationDate="2014-07-15T00:49:14.960" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8252" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson You could well be right. I didn't really get why that ratio would be important for other bases.  (Alex, if you want your question reopened, I'm afraid that you'll have to patiently answer our questions, because [far from being &quot;beaten to death&quot;] it seems that there are still some points that are unclear to people here.)" CreationDate="2014-07-15T01:05:28.893" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8257" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="In Gerry's terms {ka, kb} is what I call to be a pair (P).  What he defines as &quot;k&quot;, I call ratio (R) - it could be expressed as k=i/l, where both &quot;i&quot; and &quot;l&quot; are integers. For each &quot;n&quot; the value of &quot;k&quot; is different. As empirical formula shows, both &quot;i&quot; and &quot;l&quot; (and therefore &quot;k&quot;) are functions of &quot;n&quot;. In each covered base &quot;n&quot; (from 2 to 10) several pairs, satisfying that &quot;n&quot; specific ratio (&quot;k&quot; or &quot;R&quot;) were found - the number of pairs for given &quot;n&quot; is also a function of &quot;n&quot;." CreationDate="2014-07-15T03:12:58.477" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8258" PostId="1795" Score="2" Text="Okay, glad that this is getting sorted out. The MO post will unlock in about 10 hours. You might want to try rewriting your post in an answer box below; Gerry's comment seems clear and could be useful to you here. If what you write then seems clear to readers, then I think you could copy it over to the MO post that is currently under lock after the lock releases, and we'll see what happens." CreationDate="2014-07-15T03:14:02.897" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8259" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="@Gerry Myerson - The program searched for the pairs with the smallest (but wherever is possible greater than 1 ) ratio. I added this condition in the text of the answer.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-07-15T12:56:07.037" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8260" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="@Gerry Myerson - could one show that except for the base 2 -in all other bases there are some (greater than 0) number of pairs with the ratio greater than 1 but less than &quot;n&quot; ?" CreationDate="2014-07-15T13:09:26.373" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8261" PostId="1795" Score="1" Text="@Todd Trimble - please do not unlock my MO question yet. As you have suggested - first I want to formulate my question to acceptable by you and Gerry context here in meta. Thanks for your patience. I appreciate your skills, which you have shown as a Moderator !" CreationDate="2014-07-15T13:15:08.177" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8262" PostId="1795" Score="1" Text="The unlocking takes place automatically (actually it is unlocked now), but don't worry about it. Just post an answer here and let's have a look, and whenever you feel ready you can copy it over to MO. Glad I could help in a small way. :-)" CreationDate="2014-07-15T13:48:24.083" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8238" PostId="1796" Score="9" Text="&quot;I ask myself how we can improve this aspect.&quot; What exactly is problematic about the phenomenon you have noted, such that it calls for improvement?" CreationDate="2014-07-14T17:49:29.457" UserId="4137" />
  <row Id="8240" PostId="1796" Score="5" Text="&quot;What does this mean ?&quot; Mainly, I'd say that your balancing makes no sense. What if somebody cast a downvote? By your logic doing so takes away &quot;usefulnes&quot; both from the network and from the voter." CreationDate="2014-07-14T18:01:12.190" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8245" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="What if I vote up each and every Community Wiki post, but no other upvotes, thus contributing absolutely $0$ reputation; or worse: I may downvote non-CW posts to contribute an overall negative reputation. But the dry statistics can't show you that." CreationDate="2014-07-14T19:13:14.007" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8246" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="I have shared my feelings about that, if (unlike me) you don't see anything problematic there or around there, it doesn't matter." CreationDate="2014-07-14T19:43:04.423" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8250" PostId="1797" Score="0" Text="You're surely right to take this point of view." CreationDate="2014-07-14T23:56:12.357" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8249" PostId="1798" Score="0" Text="Your answer sounds right. I've the following question:  In what the site is useful to you?  What's your interest? Are you completely selfless?" CreationDate="2014-07-14T23:47:27.290" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8265" PostId="1798" Score="0" Text="I hope my comment doesn't look rude or inappropriate." CreationDate="2014-07-15T16:00:55.507" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8266" PostId="1798" Score="0" Text="Don't worry. I just did not reply instantly as I saw the comment when short on time and then got sidetracked.  Certainly I am not completely selfless. I have to think about how to articulate the specific usefulnes and interest." CreationDate="2014-07-15T16:21:23.063" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8300" PostId="1798" Score="0" Text="I know what are the main usefulness and interest of MO, but what I would like to understand is its usefulness and its interest for yourself." CreationDate="2014-07-17T10:28:31.277" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8302" PostId="1798" Score="3" Text="I don't wish to argue, but I'll say the bit &quot;are you completely selfless&quot; does sound a little impertinent to me. I can't figure out what the point of that question is." CreationDate="2014-07-17T13:43:23.133" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8303" PostId="1798" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: I'm sorry that this bit sounds impertinent. I would like just better understand the main interest of MO for himself (as he's not completely selfless). Anyway, I will not insist further." CreationDate="2014-07-17T22:36:15.027" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8305" PostId="1798" Score="1" Text="@SébastienPalcoux here is quick answer. One the one hand, I think it is not rare people do things without some direct conrete benefit for them, like: for fun, since it seems like a good thing to do, as distraction, and so on. Several described the reason they contribute to MO as &quot;good&quot; procrastination or something like this. I think this applies for not few including me to a considerable extent. But this might qualify as &quot;selfless.&quot; So, what else. I learn things via contributing here. Obviously some maths, though I think I never really needed any I learned here so far, but one never knows." CreationDate="2014-07-18T11:35:37.007" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8306" PostId="1798" Score="1" Text="But also I practice some other skills. Like typing without errors. (Ah wait, no this one actually not so much. :-)) Yet I actually believe I practice some things that can be paraphrased as certain soft-skills. I would not say this is the reason I contribute here. It is more a justification for myself why once again I am strolling around here rather than to do more directly productive things. In brief: mainly I am here for fun, so pure hedonism, not at all selfless :-) (@SébastienPalcoux )" CreationDate="2014-07-18T11:42:38.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8264" PostId="1800" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Alex. I'll try to respond to this a little later today (sometime in the next six hours, I hope)." CreationDate="2014-07-15T15:39:52.627" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8285" PostId="1800" Score="0" Text="@Todd Trimble - I see that you are busy - meanwhile as I noticed - downvoting on my MO question, as it was formulated originally, is continuing ...So since you have said:&quot;whenever you feel ready you can copy it over to MO&quot; - I have followed your advice and copied the new version of my answer from here to MO. Thanks, Alex." CreationDate="2014-07-16T10:46:18.450" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8293" PostId="1800" Score="0" Text="Sorry for the delay. Would you mind if I tried editing your answer above? I think it could be tightened and the formatting improved. For one I would use LaTeX, for another I would insert some links, and finally I would try to make it more to-the-point. (We may have to accept that this question already has a troubled history and just isn't going to fly at MO after all.)" CreationDate="2014-07-16T12:14:50.890" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8294" PostId="1800" Score="0" Text="@Todd Trimble - surely, please do it !" CreationDate="2014-07-16T12:56:15.680" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8297" PostId="1800" Score="0" Text="@Todd Trimble - irregardless of what will happen to my question - your mentioning of how &quot;troubled history&quot; may affect the outcome of accepting or rejecting someone's question on MO is interesting on its own. Perhaps, being a moderator, you could write some helpful memo advising those, who are new to MO, how it is important to workout the question prior to posing it on MO." CreationDate="2014-07-16T18:07:21.283" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8298" PostId="1800" Score="0" Text="Okay, I have written a reformulation that I *suspect* would gain better traction. Please read to make sure I got it right. If it looks right, I am happy to unlock the question and post it, with an explanatory note at the beginning." CreationDate="2014-07-16T18:22:26.623" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8299" PostId="1800" Score="0" Text="@Todd Trimble Oops - I misread your message and posted your version in the form of the edit. I will add the note crediting your generous contribution in there. Thanks again!" CreationDate="2014-07-16T18:41:51.693" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="8313" PostId="1804" Score="0" Text="It seems someone has written about a related topic recently in the AMS: http://www.ams.org/notices/201303/rnoti-p332.pdf, http://www.ams.org/notices/201304/rnoti-p434.pdf&#xA;&#xA;I'm mostly convinced iPad can do what I need. I would still love feedback from others in case there are things I'm not thinking of." CreationDate="2014-07-22T03:24:26.043" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="8314" PostId="1804" Score="0" Text="Well -- I think on the one hand, such a question could be seen as a place where to advertise particular products. On the other, I guess many people will be reluctant to recommend particular products, since doing so may be mistaken as spamming." CreationDate="2014-07-22T10:19:49.450" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8315" PostId="1804" Score="0" Text="I enjoy the Asus VivoTab. It has a x86 processor, so it acts like a computer from the point of view of LaTeX (and with an excellent keyboard dock, it is easy to get actual work done there), and it has a Wacom digitizer pen so taking notes is great (now more than ever with OneNote being completely free!) and I've used it both to take notes and to prepare lectures and compile papers for the past year and a half. Wonderful." CreationDate="2014-07-22T11:48:24.657" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8316" PostId="1804" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: Thanks, I will add that to the tablets to research" CreationDate="2014-07-22T12:55:44.117" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="8317" PostId="1804" Score="0" Text="I don't know what is going to come out this fall, or is available right now, but I think that current processors are considerably stronger than the Clover Trail in my Asus (something which, admittedly, is felt from time to time -- although just for web/TeX/notes it's fine). I'm not sure if any of them come with a keyboard dock that has additional battery and a digitizer. So if those are important to you, maybe going one generation back isn't a bad idea." CreationDate="2014-07-22T12:57:56.097" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12269" PostId="1804" Score="1" Text="I've just bought a $50 Amazon Fire and I'm impressed by how well it feels to annotate a PDF on it. LaTeX on Android (the Fire is basically an Android tablet) shouldn't be a problem, either, but I did not try it yet. On the other hand, software like Maple might indeed be easier to install on x86+Win10-tablets." CreationDate="2016-02-05T10:41:40.257" UserId="26039" />
  <row Id="8318" PostId="1805" Score="0" Text="I disagree. The problem as I see it is that mathematicians will always need advice on this sort of question, and it is highly related to productivity as a mathematician. I don't know who else makes use of latex, but I know which types of latex users I would like advice from. Mathoverflow provides by far the largest gathering of people equipped to give good answers to such a question, but because these questions become outdated very quickly they would need to be re-asked every few months, posing a conflict to existing guidelines on closing questions. That's why I asked." CreationDate="2014-07-22T12:59:09.397" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="8319" PostId="1805" Score="6" Text="First, have you  had a serious look at tex.SE? Your comment suggests this is not the case, and I am wondering why you ask about better places only to dismiss such a suggestion out of hand. Second, there is also really no such things as the needs of a research mathematician; even if only limited to tex-related things: some need comm diagrams some not, some need graphics some not, some need support for languages other than English some not and so on. Finally, if anything the question should be kept up-to-date, but as you admit this will not happen. So, it  should not be asked here." CreationDate="2014-07-22T13:19:12.497" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8323" PostId="1805" Score="0" Text="I didn't want to give the impression that I'm dismissing your answer out of hand, but I had the sense your answer would kill this thread and wanted to make it clear I'm still hoping for more discussion. Only part of my question has to do with tex; the rest is about other features of a tablet that I should be thinking about. So I don't think tex.SE will do the trick. Let's step back. What I really care about are features of a tablet that I'll be wishing for in 3 months if I get the wrong one. I want to tap into the collective experience of mathematicians who have used tablets. So..." CreationDate="2014-07-22T22:44:07.530" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="8324" PostId="1805" Score="0" Text="The answers don't need to pick a tablet for me, and I wouldn't view this as a shopping list question. Sadly, even a question such as &quot;what features of a tablet should one look for to maximize productivity&quot; will become outdated quickly. Yet I feel MO is the best place to get an answer. So we have a question that only mathematicians can answer, it seems it would be useful for people in the community (surely I can't be the last one to the tablet party), but our software is not great for handling it. Hence the meta post. So this is more the discussion I wanted." CreationDate="2014-07-22T22:47:13.833" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="8325" PostId="1805" Score="1" Text="As I said it is not at all reasonable to assume that all mathematicians have the same or even only similar needs. What you might actually have in mind is to ask on personal reports in what ways other mathemticians use tablets in their work (that might then *in part* be relevant to you). This would at least be an in priniple reasonable question; albeit in my opinion not a good one for this site either. There are a couple of examples of related questions of the form &quot;[something] for the mathematician&quot; Personally I feel they mainly show that the answers given are really not that specific to math." CreationDate="2014-07-23T09:10:39.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8326" PostId="1805" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately I had not noticed the edit when writing the comment above, otherwise I had phrased it slightly differently. It seems we agree on the scope of the actual question, personal usage reports from other mathematicians. I still believe it is not a good question, just like I thought and think so of http://mathoverflow.net/questions/85251/non-computational-software-useful-to-mathematicians and various other such questions." CreationDate="2014-07-23T10:17:26.670" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8330" PostId="1806" Score="7" Text="&quot;So many of you said it was spam protection. But that actually is nonsense, since it only requires a 0 rep account to post questions and answers.&quot; Yes. But did you read my answer for example. The key point is: &quot; If everybody could post comments right away they couuld spam the site (with actual spam or just nonsense) **and it might take much longer until it is noticed.**&quot; When somebody posts a spam answer or question it is annoying for a brief time but then it gets deleted quickly. By contrast some spam comments on a post of an inactive acount could stay there for a very long time." CreationDate="2014-07-25T21:34:08.263" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8331" PostId="1806" Score="0" Text="Indeed, well I posted my suggestion on the Meta StackExchange aware of this. I tried to figure out a solution which was to add the 50 rep limit for answers (as I suggest here) but ALSO to add a &quot;report as spam&quot; button alongside comments so that people can report it as a spam. After 5 reports it would be reviewed or maybe directly deleted. Of course, a group of trolls could come over and mark many comments as spam that are not WHICH is why the spam report should require a minimum reputation too (50 our 75 seems appropriate). Well that needs to change quickly anyhow, up to them to decide how !" CreationDate="2014-07-25T22:15:56.823" UserId="56433" />
  <row Id="8332" PostId="1806" Score="0" Text="What I am surprised with is that I'm trying to make the best I can to integrate, and still get harsh comments and down votes =/ This is a reaction that is professional looking but actually is totally non-professional. Guys I do want to give what I have to give, but I'm silenced by how the system is built. Well at least I've tried !" CreationDate="2014-07-26T00:02:56.713" UserId="56433" />
  <row Id="8334" PostId="1806" Score="9" Text="The reason spam comments might stay around is not that they are hard to report, but that they are hard to even notice.  Only the author of the post that is commented on would get notified, while a spam question or answer would appear on the front page where many people are likely to notice it quickly." CreationDate="2014-07-26T09:49:03.043" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="8338" PostId="1806" Score="0" Text="I am aware of it I received notification already, but still this must somehow be sorted out, because StackExchange has become a major network for help on many subjects, and yet people like me who are willing to only add details or substance to existing questions or answers cannot ;)" CreationDate="2014-07-27T22:41:11.917" UserId="56433" />
  <row Id="8350" PostId="1806" Score="2" Text="&quot;yet people like me who are willing to only add details or substance to existing questions or answers cannot&quot; If you want to add to existing posts you might consider suggesting edits. There is no pointlimit for suggesting edits. (Obvioulsy, please make sure your suggestion are in line with policy for suggested edits.)" CreationDate="2014-07-30T21:57:00.467" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8353" PostId="1806" Score="0" Text="Well thanks :) I will consider that then ! Thanks a lot." CreationDate="2014-07-31T00:20:25.360" UserId="56433" />
  <row Id="8340" PostId="1807" Score="3" Text="I suppose your search terms (in particular, all instances of lambda) are highlighted in the result of the search, which interferes with their rendering by Mathjax." CreationDate="2014-07-28T22:20:23.617" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8341" PostId="1807" Score="2" Text="And the reason for the rest of the mess is that the partial snippets of text taken from the original posts happen to have unbalanced dollar signs. In short, the search facility is apparently unaware that `$` has a special meaning." CreationDate="2014-07-28T22:30:01.450" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8342" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="@Emil: I suspect the second comment is the truer reason." CreationDate="2014-07-29T00:02:32.747" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8344" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: What do you mean by truer? There are two issues with two reasons. Both are obvious from the HTML source." CreationDate="2014-07-29T09:08:56.113" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8345" PostId="1807" Score="4" Text="This is a [known bug](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/8863/) which apparently is not easy to fix." CreationDate="2014-07-29T22:00:02.467" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="16787" PostId="1809" Score="1" Text="I have mentioned this in the comments under the question, but I will point out it also here that now there is a post with &quot;intro to MathJax&quot; also on this site: [How does one type mathematical formulas on this site?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3763) I'd say that probably the tutorial on Mathematics Meta is probably not optimal, being too long for a person who encounters TeX syntax for the first time. See also the comments under this answer: [FAQ on typesetting of formulae hard to find](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2957#2958)" CreationDate="2018-07-22T08:16:41.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="8367" PostId="1810" Score="23" Text="Sometimes people do answer such elementary questions, usually in comments. But many users don't want to encourage the asking of such questions by offering quick answers, because of the potential for opening the floodgates and have the site be overrun by elementary questions. This would certainly turn away a large number of valued users who don't want that. There's Mathematics.StackExchange for the more elementary questions. What's wrong with using that?" CreationDate="2014-07-31T22:32:17.610" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8368" PostId="1810" Score="3" Text="Never got a useful answer there. Sometimes it is a wrong answer, sometimes it is just something I already know and sometimes I only get comments of people who would like an answer to my question as well. I understand your point. Maybe it would be good if some MO users would help with MSE as well; I know someone does but still it looks to me there is a considerable gap between the level of the two sites." CreationDate="2014-07-31T22:39:40.960" UserId="51272" />
  <row Id="8369" PostId="1810" Score="10" Text="Sometimes people who don't get a good reception at MSE go ahead and post at MO, linking each question to the other and explaining that no one answered satisfactorily. Of course *just because* it's not answered there doesn't mean it's appropriate here, but often such an action elicits someone at MO to go there and set things right. Alternatively and maybe better: if there's a question you posted there that's bugging you now (and prompted the writing of this post), link to it now. You can ask whether it would be legitimate to ask at MO, and anyway someone reading this might go there and help." CreationDate="2014-07-31T22:58:50.503" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8370" PostId="1810" Score="14" Text="You know, Wesley, there's no law guaranteeing everyone an answer to every math question, much less a free answer. Instead of criticizing MO and m.se for not being what you want them to be, be grateful for what the two sites accomplish, and, if you can't get what you want for free, hire a mathematical consultant to answer your questions for you." CreationDate="2014-07-31T23:35:09.880" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8371" PostId="1810" Score="10" Text="I, for one, am very sympathetic to the point of view expressed in this question.  Even if a question may be off-topic on this site, basic human kindness does suggest that people should provide some help if it would take a minimal amount of effort to do so.  Nevertheless, we discourage people from doing so for the reason that Todd mentioned in his first comment: if we _always_ answered off-topic questions, then MO would be flooded with them and it would be substantially harder for MO to serve its actual purpose of answering research-level questions." CreationDate="2014-08-01T00:46:27.120" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="8372" PostId="1810" Score="15" Text="This is an example of a very general phenomenon in life where it would seem harmless or even beneficial to bend some rule in any individual case, but it is nevertheless important to follow the rule because there would be serious problems if everyone always bent it." CreationDate="2014-08-01T00:47:01.563" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="8373" PostId="1810" Score="5" Text="Well, I guess I'll go ahead. Wesley has asked two questions at MSE. The most recent is http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/883801/projection-of-a-hypersurface-from-a-point, and back in May he asked this: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/804083/integral-points-on-varieties-and-solutions-to-diophantine-equations. Anyone feel like lending a hand?" CreationDate="2014-08-01T01:01:23.667" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8374" PostId="1810" Score="2" Text="I know there is no law about answering math questions, nor for being kind. I am well aware of this. I was just wondering why people should waste time giving bad comments and voting against a question instead of answering or ignoring it. When a young student asks me something I usually answer and if I have no time (or will) to answer I give them a hint or a reference. This being said, I understand the rules and I appreciate every single word aimed at helping me or showing sympathy." CreationDate="2014-08-01T11:18:00.933" UserId="51272" />
  <row Id="8375" PostId="1810" Score="5" Text="I opened this discussion here just to say I see a problem: there is a huge gap between textbooks and research papers and between M.SE and MO. Those who swim in between get sometimes lost. Since the community behind the sites is really great and showed devotion and care, I would think that some feedback about the user's need may be interesting. Maybe I represent many others and maybe not... Again, thank you for your time and for everything you do for other people looking for help." CreationDate="2014-08-01T11:24:07.723" UserId="51272" />
  <row Id="8376" PostId="1810" Score="13" Text="Wesley, my impression is that the *level* of MSE is generally sufficient for handling questions at the level of your projection question. There are plenty of reasonably high-powered mathematicians who visit the site; someone like Matt Emerton would surely have been capable of answering your question -- you had some bad luck getting the appropriate attention. My guess is that the *real* problem is that the volume of questions there is just too high, and many questions wind up slipping through the cracks." CreationDate="2014-08-01T14:37:07.587" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8377" PostId="1810" Score="5" Text="I had the impression that beginning graduate level questions were OK for MO, and it seems to me that projection question meets that standard. Have things changed? (Regarding MSE, I have nothing against it, but I personally don't want to spread myself any thinner.)" CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:41:23.590" UserId="4144" />
  <row Id="8378" PostId="1810" Score="1" Text="Maybe MSE should have a partition like: highschool/undergraduate/graduate. In this way the help given by everyone could be optimized with no waste of time. Again, this is just a thought offered to people already doing a nice &quot;job&quot;." CreationDate="2014-08-01T16:13:45.500" UserId="51272" />
  <row Id="8379" PostId="1810" Score="0" Text="@donu Advanced graduate level, not beginning." CreationDate="2014-08-01T16:54:35.860" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="8385" PostId="1810" Score="0" Text="The point of MO is that highly technical questions may be only answerable by relatively few people and having these questions online allows for a better chance that an expert can answer them. An interesting question at the beginning graduate level that is not suitable for MO and perhaps too hard for most MSE users is the kind of question you can probably find someone in your math department (assuming you are at a university) to answer." CreationDate="2014-08-02T01:36:09.430" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="8389" PostId="1810" Score="24" Text="@FelipeVoloch while I agree overall with your comment and those above, I am a little uncomfortable: wasn't one of the original roles of MO to be a place where researchers could ask questions that they suspected would be well-known or straightforward to specialists in other areas? We don't all have &quot;grad school&quot; backgrounds and we don't all have people on our corridors who know about character theory, structure of semisimple Lie groups, etc. Functional analysts may not know &quot;basic&quot; results of geometric group theory, and vice versa" CreationDate="2014-08-02T13:20:38.833" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8397" PostId="1810" Score="2" Text="@Donu  My impression is that a few years ago the projection question would have been appropriate, the standards of mathoverflow tend to creep upwards though." CreationDate="2014-08-02T19:53:22.180" UserId="3521" />
  <row Id="8401" PostId="1810" Score="6" Text="@Tobias I'm regularly amazed (and dismayed) by the over-precise meaning some people attach to the phrase &quot;graduate level&quot;. The level of knowledge of graduate students is wildly variable within individual departments, let alone countries, let alone the *world*. And, of course, it depends enormously on the student's interests (as Yemon says). To go even further and talk about &quot;*advanced*&quot; graduate level... I don't see how it could begin to be meaningful.  The cynical side of me suspects that some people (not necessarily you!) simply use &quot;graduate level&quot; to mean &quot;what I knew as a grad student&quot;." CreationDate="2014-08-03T19:50:19.777" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="8404" PostId="1810" Score="0" Text="@TomLeinster I agree that the phrase does not have any precise meaning. But since the site is actually meant for professional mathematicians and questions at the advanced graduate level are &quot;allowed&quot; to encourage more participation from people who might later go on to be &quot;full&quot; contributors (at least I seem to recall a phrasing like that from somewhere, not sure where), I feel that it is important that &quot;advanced graduate level&quot; does not become replaced by &quot;beginning graduate level&quot;. (cont.)" CreationDate="2014-08-04T18:50:01.903" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="8405" PostId="1810" Score="0" Text="However little precision there is behind either of those two terms, they do suggest very different levels of questions. Especially, they provide very different lower limits for which questions are definitely off-topic, and a change like that would in fact put questions formerly clearly off-topic into clearly on-topic (anything encountered by any student in their very first graduate course would suddenly become on-topic)." CreationDate="2014-08-04T18:52:27.773" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="8409" PostId="1810" Score="3" Text="@TobiasKildetoft What do you mean by &quot;graduate level&quot;, and why do you think &quot;first graduate course&quot; makes universal sense? I recall an MO question where everyone was incredulous at a poster who did not know of Smith normal form, yet the poster knows more (I'll wager) about nuclear Cstar algebras than all the people who piled on to close." CreationDate="2014-08-05T02:37:18.390" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8410" PostId="1810" Score="3" Text="My unease with &quot;graduate level&quot; is that it shunts emphasis onto the level of the jargon in the question, rather than how much thought and initiative has been displayed in asking the question. A question on the lines of &quot;I'm an additive number theorist wondering if there is some form of Plancherel theorem for compact groups&quot; is better in my eyes than &quot;please help me understand the proof of Lemma 3.41 in this book on strawberry-flavoured Chow groups of vibranium stacks over Wakandan tori&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-05T02:52:24.603" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8413" PostId="1810" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi I completely agree that the term is not the best. By &quot;first graduate course&quot; I mean precisely the very first course someone takes at the graduate level (whether a specific course is graduate or undergraduate level is usually very clear, it just varies a lot between universities which courses are placed where). Whatever phrase is used to describe the level, it will result in questions that pretty much everybody agrees are on-topic, ditto for off-topic, and a gray area where people are less in agreement. (cont)" CreationDate="2014-08-05T09:38:14.567" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="8414" PostId="1810" Score="0" Text="To me it is very important that we are very careful when we close questions in the gray area, but we also need to make sure that the gray area does not move too far down (if the description for example said beginning graduate level, then it would be hard to argue that a question along the lines of &quot;why is Hausdorff equivalent to the diagonal being closed&quot; should be closed, since this is precisely the sort of exercise people would often come across in their first course on topology, which is again in many places a graduate level course)." CreationDate="2014-08-05T09:41:42.447" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="8415" PostId="1810" Score="0" Text="This is why I was so quick to correct the phrase &quot;beginning graduate level&quot; to &quot;advanced graduate level&quot;. Even if neither is very precise, they are also not completely arbitrary, since if you are about to ask a question like the one above and it says &quot;beginning graduate level&quot;, you will probably not hesitate. If it says &quot;advanced graduate level&quot; there is a good reason you will hesitate a bit and then hopefully decide that it is probably not a good fit here." CreationDate="2014-08-05T09:43:51.660" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="8380" PostId="1811" Score="0" Text="I agree to what you write -- but what is the purpose of your post? -- Finding enough people to convince SE to allow again closing questions as duplicates of unanswered questions?" CreationDate="2014-08-01T17:37:54.637" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8381" PostId="1811" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl: Mostly, I just want to let people know that this is the current deal." CreationDate="2014-08-01T17:39:11.957" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8382" PostId="1811" Score="0" Text="Unless a duplicate asks the same question in a substantially different way, I think in the present situation deletion is probably the way to go -- otherwise one would open the doors for plagiarism." CreationDate="2014-08-01T17:49:07.183" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8383" PostId="1811" Score="8" Text="@StefanKohl The moderators are in regular contact with us when it comes to things .. well .. not quite fitting as well as they once did prior to coming over to the Stack Exchange 2.0 platform. This post is precisely what I need for the impetus behind a proposed change. It allows me to (1) show that people care about it and (2) a clear explanation of why, and will likely predicate a feature specification that I'll bring to our team. It's .. as much a discussion as it is an artifact that something might have gone sideways for MO after the upgrade." CreationDate="2014-08-01T19:03:41.340" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8393" PostId="1811" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl What did prevent this form of &quot;plagiarism&quot; before? Put differently I do not see a goal of such behavior that would be prevented by the old or envisioned dupeclosure mechanism." CreationDate="2014-08-02T15:10:40.247" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8399" PostId="1811" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl I'd say  a comment  stating it was asked before and linking there makes this sufficiently obvious too. And if one wants one could even edit it in. But MO anyway not being for &quot;original&quot; questions this seems somewhat of a corner case to me regardless." CreationDate="2014-08-02T21:31:37.300" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8386" PostId="1812" Score="0" Text="Tim, I made a feature request on meta.MSE, [a year ago](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/10275/622), that a duplicate of relatively new questions be allowed (say things not older than a week). This allows to handle unregistered accounts which keep popping up and asking the same questions, or unregistered account on two sites asking the same question and one is migrated to the other." CreationDate="2014-08-02T02:24:38.223" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8387" PostId="1812" Score="4" Text="I don't agree with the interpretation in the first paragraph. Closing the question as a duplicate means that if that person eventually gets an answer, you get it too. The current system ensures (or strongly encourages) that only one of you may get an answer." CreationDate="2014-08-02T10:04:12.250" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8388" PostId="1812" Score="3" Text="It seems to me that the current system is designed for stack overflow, which get hunderds of questions, and the askers are only interested in the answer for a couple of hours or maybe days, so an older unanswered question is effectively dead. On MO, it is fairly common that questions only get answered after many months." CreationDate="2014-08-02T11:04:54.250" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8391" PostId="1812" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek It's definitely a difference between technical, and research-level sites. Stack Overflow can see 15 incarnations of the _same_ question in a single day. On high-scale sites, closing an unanswered question as a dupe of another unanswered question _does_ almost guarantee that neither question gets answered, especially if the dupe is very old and unlikely to churn again. It's not .. a perfect system by any means (and something we're working on). Fortunately, for Math Overflow, it's very much simplified. Just allow it, because it's expected. I'll see what I can come up with :)" CreationDate="2014-08-02T15:04:04.123" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8394" PostId="1812" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek re old questions getting answered, the revival badge measure this rather well (first answer after 30+ days, and answer getting score +2): Now, MO has about 1.5k revival badges for 52k questions and SO has about 135k for 7700k questions. Thus while slightly more frequent on MO it seems really pretty much the same on MO and SO." CreationDate="2014-08-02T15:18:06.783" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8396" PostId="1812" Score="1" Text="@quid: Alright, however what really matters is not how many questions are revived, but the expectation of users asking the questions. If a question is reasked or answered with a month delay on a technical site like SO, chances are the original poster no longer cares, hence it make sense for the system to focus solely on the user experience of the user asking the duplicate question (or users that might get interested in the question in future). It does not work that way on MO." CreationDate="2014-08-02T18:01:51.473" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8398" PostId="1812" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I know neither SO nor the habits of programmers well enough to judge what is typical there. What I do know however is that it is not unusual for a mathematician's questions especially one asked on MO to become obsolete quickly (too). Anyway, personally, I (also) prefer if dupe-closure of unanswered questions were again possible. Still, on the one hand I was genuinely curious if what you said was refelected in data, and on the other hand, I somewhat dislike sweeping statements how MO is so different, while really it is not that much. Hence my comment." CreationDate="2014-08-02T21:26:24.037" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8390" PostId="1813" Score="3" Text="The new question can only be closed as a duplicate if the old question has an upvoted or accepted answer, thus this requires two people (someone must get the hint and upvote the spurious &quot;answer&quot;). And since conversion to a comment needs a moderator, who can close anything as a duplicate without restrictions anyway, one can as well avoid all this and just flag the duplicate for moderator attention." CreationDate="2014-08-02T14:23:38.120" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8392" PostId="1813" Score="1" Text="This procedure seems too complicate to be workable, and I think bumping the old question better should be avoided. Why not just close the new with costum reason: &quot;This question should be close as the same question was already asked, see [...]&quot; In addition one could edit the link into OP to be still closer to what dupe-closure does. (Personally I am not even sure there is any need for a closure here; the above is under the assumption one wants to close.)" CreationDate="2014-08-02T15:07:05.430" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8400" PostId="1813" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. The system wasn't quite as simple as I'd imagined." CreationDate="2014-08-02T22:25:34.660" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="8403" PostId="1814" Score="4" Text="I have added the tags feature-request, which seems to apply here. Hope you don't mind. I completely agree with what you say." CreationDate="2014-08-04T16:45:32.193" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="8407" PostId="1814" Score="2" Text="@Joël it seems you did  in fact not apply the tag. But actually it is better you did not. A feature request should be something more specific (it is a considerable difference to have this per minute or per day). The standard procedure is  to first start a discussion, the result of the discussion *then* might be a precise feature request, or dropping the matter or still something else." CreationDate="2014-08-04T21:31:59.720" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8412" PostId="1814" Score="1" Text="There is the same problem with deleting comments." CreationDate="2014-08-05T09:21:18.727" UserId="43266" />
  <row Id="8425" PostId="1814" Score="2" Text="An equally inconvenient feature is the &quot;have all your second thoughts within the next 5 minutes&quot;-rule (the time window when you can still edit)." CreationDate="2014-08-05T17:31:04.870" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="8428" PostId="1814" Score="1" Text="@bof it is even in a literal sense  part of this very problem. Deleting a comment is technically casting a (different type of) vote on a comment but it counts as comment vote." CreationDate="2014-08-05T18:03:44.470" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8429" PostId="1814" Score="3" Text="@ChristianRemling that one was discussed repeatedly see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1628/about-the-option-of-editing-comments-a-different-algorithm and http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1719/interpretation-of-time-limit-for-editing-comments for example." CreationDate="2014-08-05T18:10:26.593" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8530" PostId="1814" Score="4" Text="It seems that they have removed this limit entirely (but kept the 30 comment votes per day limit), see [this MSE answer](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/238331)." CreationDate="2014-08-20T20:44:09.403" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="8531" PostId="1814" Score="0" Text="@LoganMaingi: Ah, I see ... interesting! -- Though you should rather say: they *will* remove this limit, as it hasn't been done so far. In any case, if this change is done SE-wide, my post is redundant and no longer needed. Though, the remaining limit of 30 comment votes per day is not very high as well, I think." CreationDate="2014-08-20T21:24:49.880" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11132" PostId="1814" Score="0" Text="Oh yikes. It's been a year already???" CreationDate="2015-09-08T00:30:31.780" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8406" PostId="1815" Score="8" Text="Do you know &quot;topusers&quot; (per tag), like http://mathoverflow.net/tags/ag.algebraic-geometry/topusers already and want something more elaborate?" CreationDate="2014-08-04T21:25:46.373" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8408" PostId="1815" Score="0" Text="If there were a way to see beyond the first 20 entries, quid's link would seem to be an ideal answer." CreationDate="2014-08-04T23:17:35.213" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="8411" PostId="1815" Score="0" Text="There have been 91 ag.algebraic-geometry badges awarded, http://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/99/ag-algebraic-geometry with similar lists for other tags." CreationDate="2014-08-05T06:08:04.893" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8416" PostId="1815" Score="1" Text="I hadn't thought of doing that before. It's an interesting idea, and I'll check into it." CreationDate="2014-08-05T09:55:46.647" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8417" PostId="1815" Score="3" Text="@S.Carnahan: You can use the data explorer to go as far as you want down the list - http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/214921/top-users-per-tag?TagName=ag.algebraic-geometry&amp;Count=50" CreationDate="2014-08-05T12:34:31.707" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="24206" PostId="1816" Score="0" Text="'MO is certainly not meant to replace higher education in mathematics, which is an unreasonable goal in any case. It is sure difficult to learn by oneself, and that is one of the reason why there is so much money spent in higher education.' --&gt; This is still under the assumption of the previous sentence re beginners right? I mean eventually, people are supposed to learn by themselves right?" CreationDate="2020-11-23T14:14:38.320" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="24209" PostId="1816" Score="1" Text="@JohnSmithKyon Well, the learning always comes from one's own work, but being accompanied down the road is certainly very helpful. So much so it is a job, that is not the point of MO. I don't quite see what your comment is about, answering it I find myself repeating my 6 years old answer." CreationDate="2020-11-24T05:40:10.400" UserId="4961" />
  <row Id="8418" PostId="1817" Score="0" Text="Only moderators can merge questions." CreationDate="2014-08-05T13:03:06.577" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8450" PostId="1817" Score="1" Text="Right, but it seemed like other solutions also required flagging for moderator attention. So the effort from the community would be no larger if my suggestion were carried out, but the output in terms of consolidation might be better." CreationDate="2014-08-06T00:00:10.160" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="8419" PostId="1818" Score="17" Text="Just to address one of your points: I do not think MO is the right place for young mathematicians to solicit feedback on their preprints. While I appreciate it can be difficult for those not plugged into a supportive network of more senior mathematicians, it is surely better for these people to seek to get their work recognized in meetings specializing in their area." CreationDate="2014-08-05T16:16:10.700" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8420" PostId="1818" Score="9" Text="Also, on a different point, I am very sceptical that MO is really a representative group of the mathematical community, whether or not it is a &quot;large group&quot;. This is admittedly based on my anecdotal observations from talking to people at conferences." CreationDate="2014-08-05T16:17:16.337" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8421" PostId="1818" Score="4" Text="@YemonChoi: I agree that MO neither is nor should be a common place to ask for feedback on preprints -- but I would not be dogmatic here. Rather I suggest to make further actions (closing/removing the post or responding, etc.) depend on the quality of the material in question." CreationDate="2014-08-05T16:55:12.530" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8422" PostId="1818" Score="4" Text="Possible meta duplicate: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/927/what-is-our-policy-on-asking-about-correctness-of-preprints" CreationDate="2014-08-05T16:59:11.213" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8423" PostId="1818" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl I agree that sensible judgment on individual cases is needed." CreationDate="2014-08-05T17:01:30.467" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8424" PostId="1818" Score="5" Text="While 927 is relevant, it concerns a different situation. It is one thing to post critique of a preprint where the author themselves explicitly asked for it, and another thing for a preprint by a third party that isn’t even aware of it." CreationDate="2014-08-05T17:16:42.107" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8426" PostId="1818" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl what do you mean by &quot;the material in question&quot;? It sounds as if you want to take as criterion the quality of the preprint. Could you please clarify your intent." CreationDate="2014-08-05T17:44:25.953" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8427" PostId="1818" Score="5" Text="On the specific proposal of creating tags:  this would be meta tags and these are better avoided. Besides tags like this would then (presumably) have a negative touch (at least with some), which is further reason not to create them." CreationDate="2014-08-05T17:59:58.427" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8505" PostId="1818" Score="0" Text="I am also in the situation of being an amateur mathematician for whom the research community is a big black box and do not know, what to do with findings, that could be of interest to that community. I learned that MO isn't the right place to do that and I do not know of an alternative way to do it. A concrete example of such a finding is the role of Moebius Ladder graphs in the Hamilton Cycle Problem." CreationDate="2014-08-16T10:11:02.943" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="8506" PostId="1818" Score="0" Text="@ManfredWeis: Get in contact with mathematicians in the same field. Type down your findings in LaTeX. A lot of amateur mathematicians seem to spend much time on their own research, but not enough time to learn how to present it, or if it is of actual interest and/or already known." CreationDate="2014-08-16T11:37:59.310" UserId="1056" />
  <row Id="8508" PostId="1818" Score="0" Text="@PerAlexandersson finding someone in the same field is one of the difficulties; the point with the lack of presentation skills is also true in my case, whereas checking for already known results is nowadays a lot easier. I usually do a lot google searching and I &quot;review&quot; my findings over some time before being confident that there may be something to it. But I really appreciate your advice." CreationDate="2014-08-16T11:54:12.470" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="15401" PostId="1818" Score="0" Text="@Manfred: As a delayed ray of light, let me offer the (for me uplifting) story: while helping run an Internet access company in the 90's, I took my ICM slide presentation on Hadamard matrices and the determinant spectrum problem and put it on the web on a company server.  A few years later some other researchers found it and used and extended some of the results.  This without being affiliated with any research institution.  Do good work, and present it well, and the researchers will find it.  Gerhard &quot;Choose Your Search Keywords Well&quot; Paseman, 2017.12.13." CreationDate="2017-12-13T18:36:33.800" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15411" PostId="1818" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman: some coincidences are really amazing; yesterday I finally found a simple TSP heuristic that produces very good tours in $O(n^3)$ and after your ray of light hit me, I am confident, that it will be appreciated by one or the other researcher." CreationDate="2017-12-14T05:37:22.403" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="8442" PostId="1820" Score="0" Text="Francois, could you clarify how this is different from the MO question looking for &quot;open problems that are easy to state but seem beyond current technology&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-08-05T21:06:08.780" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8443" PostId="1820" Score="5" Text="I would also debate the premise that &quot;Open problems are precious commodities that have driven mathematical research for centuries&quot;, unless it is prefaced by the word **SOME**" CreationDate="2014-08-05T21:07:15.290" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8444" PostId="1820" Score="3" Text="In the next 24 hours, I will make a meta post regarding promoting MathOverflow at ICM.  This question addresses part of one of the aspects;  for my purpose it would help to associate with such questions a number corresponding to one of the areas http://www.icm2014.org/en/program/scientific/topics covered by the Congress.  While this list should be conference-independent, I would appreciate a large and diverse list to show in Seoul next week: adding the appropriate area tag would help me, even if the tag is not a number.  Gerhard &quot;Promoting MathOverflow at ICM2014 Seoul&quot; Paseman, 2014.08.05" CreationDate="2014-08-05T21:07:25.570" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="8447" PostId="1820" Score="7" Text="@YemonChoi: I would love to clarify but I fail to see the similarity since I'm asking for unanswered MO questions. Maybe I should clarify that MO-hard does not mean open? In fact, I commonly heard the term in a sentence like: &quot;this might not be open but it is at least MO-hard...&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-05T21:39:00.760" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8448" PostId="1820" Score="2" Text="That clarifies - I misread part of what you wrote, while skimming hastily" CreationDate="2014-08-05T21:41:10.403" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8452" PostId="1820" Score="7" Text="[This question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/27345/norms-of-commutators) is still unanswered but led to a paper in the PNAS." CreationDate="2014-08-06T18:02:33.597" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="8459" PostId="1820" Score="5" Text="I don't understand why Benjamin Dickman's mention of his question &quot;[Probability that a stick randomly broken in five places can form a tetrahedron](http://mathoverflow.net/q/142983/6094)&quot; was downvoted and then deleted. The downvote was not explained." CreationDate="2014-08-07T23:09:18.540" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="8460" PostId="1820" Score="1" Text="@JosephO'Rourke I deleted it after the down-vote (the original MO post also received its second down-vote earlier today...) as I was concerned the mention was perceived as something too close to self-promotion (or otherwise off-topic). I've had several unexplained down-votes on MESE recently, too, on what I thought were innocuous answers. In any event: I've &quot;undeleted&quot; the meta.MO answer for the time being." CreationDate="2014-08-07T23:50:21.127" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="8461" PostId="1820" Score="12" Text="@BenjaminDickman: Each author of their own open problem is best placed to post in this thread. I think such posting does not constitute &quot;self-promotion.&quot; Or if it does, I have trumped you $4 {\times}$. :-)" CreationDate="2014-08-07T23:52:49.310" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="9003" PostId="1820" Score="0" Text="This question of mine hasn't been answered:&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;[Is there a (discrete) monoid M injecting into its group completion G for which BM is not homotopy equivalent to BG?](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/122221/is-there-a-discrete-monoid-m-injecting-into-its-group-completion-g-for-which-b)" CreationDate="2014-11-07T00:07:22.880" UserId="644" />
  <row Id="13301" PostId="1820" Score="0" Text="What should be done when one of the questions listed here is resolved? Should the meta answer be deleted? edited to add a note?" CreationDate="2016-06-24T16:46:39.840" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="13302" PostId="1820" Score="0" Text="@NateEldredge consider adding an answer here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/617/best-of-mathoverflow" CreationDate="2016-06-24T21:35:24.243" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18599" PostId="1820" Score="0" Text="I have voted to close this question since it seems to attract low quality arguments from people who are not interested in real mathematics." CreationDate="2019-03-21T12:49:25.283" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="8437" PostId="1821" Score="16" Text="One might add to the title question that has transpired in the comments, a “polynomial injection from $\mathbb Q\times\mathbb Q$ to $\mathbb Q$” problem also seems hard." CreationDate="2014-08-05T19:42:58.240" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8805" PostId="1821" Score="2" Text="&quot;most have been deleted after an error was found&quot; -&gt; Where should &quot;nice try&quot; attempts for open problems settle? Maybe they shall be still around somewhere to give hints for ones who want to try the problem?" CreationDate="2014-10-11T01:19:33.677" UserId="35618" />
  <row Id="13701" PostId="1821" Score="0" Text="Currently 17 answers, of which 16 deleted." CreationDate="2016-12-07T04:24:22.757" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8449" PostId="1822" Score="0" Text="Temporary comment added on Gerhard Paseman's request: I'd classify that under 3 (Number Theory) though it might touch upon other things too." CreationDate="2014-08-05T22:17:02.963" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="17621" PostId="1824" Score="1" Text="This has been answered by Paul Larson." CreationDate="2018-11-11T20:17:53.053" UserId="26705" />
  <row Id="8441" PostId="1825" Score="2" Text="While an undergraduate, I once asked my lecturer about this, and he said &quot;in my view there is no reasonable classification&quot;. (I see from your answer on that MO question that he has not changed his mind)" CreationDate="2014-08-05T21:05:12.413" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8453" PostId="1830" Score="0" Text="As I recall, $f(f(x)) = \cos x$ did not work out, but $f(f(x)) = \sin x$ works. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/45608/formal-power-series-convergence/46765#46765  The business about decreasing functions is not quite as restrictive as people thought." CreationDate="2014-08-07T02:30:10.113" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="8504" PostId="1830" Score="0" Text="One of the best questions on MO on my opinion is this:&#xD;&#xA;http://mathoverflow.net/questions/3332/two-commuting-mappings-in-the-disk" CreationDate="2014-08-15T17:01:13.330" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="8471" PostId="1834" Score="6" Text="&quot;known to be inaccessible to the experts&quot;, or &quot;known to the experts to be inaccessible&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-08-09T12:13:53.370" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8472" PostId="1834" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson: Thanks for the correction---rather different senses!" CreationDate="2014-08-09T12:25:53.583" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="9012" PostId="1834" Score="28" Text="&quot;Known to inaccessible experts&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-07T21:02:40.827" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9600" PostId="1834" Score="3" Text="domotorp spelled backwards is Proto-Mod." CreationDate="2015-01-12T06:49:41.950" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8463" PostId="1835" Score="6" Text="I think the issue was more about the concentration of those votes on specific questions/answers. I think there were follow up discussions (which you may want to check of you are interested in the issue)." CreationDate="2014-08-08T16:48:21.957" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="8465" PostId="1835" Score="0" Text="Sure, if you point me to them." CreationDate="2014-08-08T16:55:17.133" UserId="9462" />
  <row Id="8466" PostId="1835" Score="1" Text="http://meta.mathoverflow.net/search?tab=newest&amp;q=association%20bonus%20is%3aquestion" CreationDate="2014-08-08T16:57:32.550" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="8467" PostId="1835" Score="1" Text="[Data on voting by 'association bonus only' users](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1345/data-on-voting-by-association-bonus-only-users)" CreationDate="2014-08-08T16:58:37.813" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="11391" PostId="1835" Score="1" Text="The two queries linked are identical." CreationDate="2015-10-02T17:09:49.037" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="8468" PostId="1837" Score="2" Text="I have migrated it back, and I don't think it is rude to do so. The question doesn't seem to be appropriate for MO." CreationDate="2014-08-08T18:26:32.943" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8469" PostId="1839" Score="8" Text="Now MSE has two versions of the post. It's an interesting way to duplicate things. Now MSE moderators can migrate the two copies back to MO, and those will be migrated back and so on. In 32 cycles we'll probably have crashed at least some piece of software in the servers! :-) And if this question gets upvoted anywhere along the way, this vote will replicate and duplicate!" CreationDate="2014-08-08T23:17:32.067" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8470" PostId="1839" Score="0" Text="Here's what happened. OP asked the moderators at MSE to migrate to MO. They did. Then a question is raised whether it's indeed appropriate for MO, and OP came to conclusion that it wasn't after all, so asked to have it migrated back. So that's what I did. I see now that it would have been better just to have closed it, and that's what I'll do next time, but somehow I don't think the network is going to come crashing down as a result. If one is closed as a duplicate, then we're back to square one." CreationDate="2014-08-08T23:25:43.203" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8480" PostId="1839" Score="0" Text="I have migrated migrated questions in the past (it has been some time). IIRC, you first need to break the link between the first copy and the second copy by erasing the migration history, then the post becomes a normal one and can be migrated." CreationDate="2014-08-11T17:10:22.047" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="8518" PostId="1839" Score="1" Text="@Todd: ah, now I feel guilty. I was the original mod who migrated it over to MO. Sorry." CreationDate="2014-08-17T23:27:20.217" UserId="14508" />
  <row Id="8519" PostId="1839" Score="0" Text="@mixedmath As you can probably tell, I also feel a little guilty for how all this panned out (sorry right back atcha). Anyway, no worries; I guess the duplicate was eliminated and all is well." CreationDate="2014-08-18T00:34:59.940" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8478" PostId="1840" Score="0" Text="Hi Arnold, just [drop us a line](http://mathoverflow.net/contact) and we'll get your unregistered accounts moved over. Primarily, it's only important that you include the links, as they are unregistered there's a good chance you can't do anything else that the system asks. Password reset won't work, because they were disenfranchised pre-se2.0." CreationDate="2014-08-11T07:36:13.187" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8479" PostId="1840" Score="1" Text="@TimPost: I followed the procedure indicated in the answer below, but I still have two accounts. Somehow the system must know, as it uses my photograph for both, although I registered only once. So I think there is a bug in the program for registering." CreationDate="2014-08-11T12:41:47.830" UserId="56920" />
  <row Id="8481" PostId="1841" Score="0" Text="It didn't work; see my comment to the question." CreationDate="2014-08-12T11:59:52.047" UserId="56920" />
  <row Id="8482" PostId="1841" Score="0" Text="Did you send the community team an email, as Tim Post suggested?" CreationDate="2014-08-12T12:19:15.567" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8483" PostId="1841" Score="0" Text="The suggestion in the link ''drop us a line'' lead to the contact page with a menu, where I first tried ''merge accounts'' then ''other''. Neither worked. I don't have the email address of the community team." CreationDate="2014-08-12T13:38:11.930" UserId="56920" />
  <row Id="8486" PostId="1841" Score="0" Text="Perhaps you should try once more?" CreationDate="2014-08-12T20:24:47.763" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8494" PostId="1841" Score="2" Text="now it is merged. Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-08-13T12:14:23.887" UserId="56920" />
  <row Id="8484" PostId="1845" Score="19" Text="I would say: pose a new question.  Don't change the question to turn answers into non-answers." CreationDate="2014-08-12T16:15:10.350" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="8485" PostId="1845" Score="1" Text="I think its ok to add an uodate with a new version of the question. &quot;should I extend my answer or give several answers?&quot; Both options are OK." CreationDate="2014-08-12T19:43:53.210" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="8487" PostId="1845" Score="10" Text="It's cleaner to pose a new question, referring back to the old question as desired." CreationDate="2014-08-12T20:30:43.063" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8488" PostId="1845" Score="5" Text="If you are the one asking the question, you can also put comments under answers at the first question giving a link to the new question. If there turns out to be sufficient common interest, perhaps you have found a collaborator, even co-author." CreationDate="2014-08-12T21:33:19.857" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="8489" PostId="1845" Score="8" Text="If I am the answerer, and the questioner changes the question, I ask the questioner to go away and come back when he has figured out what question he really wants to ask. But others are less short-tempered than I am." CreationDate="2014-08-12T23:33:35.473" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8490" PostId="1845" Score="2" Text="Similar question under discussion at m.se, http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/16571/how-to-post-follow-up-questions" CreationDate="2014-08-12T23:42:58.980" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8495" PostId="1845" Score="4" Text="I think some minor changes to a question are perfectly acceptable.  For instance, if it turns out that in your original formulation, your question admits some trivial counterexample that is orthogonal to the issues you are actually interested in, I would recommend editing the question to exclude the trivial case (or to ask for further examples) rather than making a whole new question." CreationDate="2014-08-13T18:11:06.987" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="8496" PostId="1845" Score="1" Text="As an example, [this question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/178165/category-which-has-no-non-trivial-adjoint-functors) asks whether a category with a certain property exists, and the empty category has that property.  If the only answer given had been that the empty category was an example, then it would have been perfectly fine for the asker to edit the question to ask whether there was also a non-empty example." CreationDate="2014-08-13T18:23:06.990" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="8527" PostId="1847" Score="0" Text="Some illustrations added : mathoverflow.net/q/165038/14414" CreationDate="2014-08-19T09:17:29.657" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="8535" PostId="1850" Score="2" Text="This question now appears in the 18th ed. of the &quot;Kourovka notebook&quot; as Problem 18.1 (suggested by I. M. Isaacs). I think it was also on mathoverflow where it was pointed out first (by Isaacs) that a &quot;solution&quot; in the literature is not complete." CreationDate="2014-08-22T10:04:47.143" UserId="10266" />
  <row Id="19972" PostId="1850" Score="0" Text="A solution to this question has appeared on the arXiv: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1812.04167.pdf" CreationDate="2019-05-07T11:41:35.370" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="14879" PostId="1851" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais [commented](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1820/mo-hard-questions#comment8447_1820) that MO-hard does not imply open." CreationDate="2017-09-05T22:03:14.637" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="8507" PostId="1853" Score="4" Text="There is no change in reputation that results from accepting one's own answer, and that answer does not float to the top (as it does when accepting another's answer)." CreationDate="2014-08-16T11:46:25.803" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8509" PostId="1853" Score="0" Text="@Francois that was not known to me; I thought it would not be considered acceptable" CreationDate="2014-08-16T11:58:15.953" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="8510" PostId="1854" Score="14" Text="We strongly discourage this kind of post on MO." CreationDate="2014-08-16T15:26:17.003" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="8525" PostId="1854" Score="2" Text="I guess some relevant discussions are  http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1338/answer-your-own-question-share-your-knowledge-qa-style-is-there-consensus and http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/480/should-questions-to-which-i-already-know-the-answer-in-advance-be-appropriate-fo" CreationDate="2014-08-18T10:03:16.583" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="8511" PostId="1855" Score="3" Text="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjMffHG1V_Q" CreationDate="2014-08-17T01:20:23.600" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8512" PostId="1855" Score="3" Text="Thanks for the laugh, Gerry. But now I have two notifications that don't go away." CreationDate="2014-08-17T01:40:58.253" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="8513" PostId="1855" Score="0" Text="If misery truly loves company, you may be interested to know there's a similar complaint at m.se, http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/16599/groundhog-day-bug (so perhaps it's system-wide)." CreationDate="2014-08-17T01:53:33.790" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8514" PostId="1855" Score="2" Text="I'm having the exact same problem." CreationDate="2014-08-17T02:17:37.033" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="8515" PostId="1855" Score="1" Text="also the notifications of votes are broken: they don't go away and are not updated (mine still lists +10 from yesterday, not the +20 from today)" CreationDate="2014-08-17T10:42:04.443" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="8521" PostId="1855" Score="0" Text="Is the problem gone for you guys now? It's gone for me." CreationDate="2014-08-18T02:41:37.977" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8522" PostId="1855" Score="0" Text="It also seems to be gone for me." CreationDate="2014-08-18T03:01:38.943" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="8523" PostId="1855" Score="0" Text="Yes, it's gone now." CreationDate="2014-08-18T03:16:00.153" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="8516" PostId="1856" Score="3" Text="One should only migrate a question if one is *very convinced* it is a *good* fit for the target site. The second option is there for the many questions that are off-topic on MO but where one thinks they might be about alright on math.SE since they are a math question (as opposed to being certain they are a good fit there). Using this does not necessarily mean the question has a flaw; it could also mean the person voting thinks they are  not well-informed about the standards of math.SE and thus does not want to send anything there." CreationDate="2014-08-17T21:18:37.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8517" PostId="1856" Score="1" Text="But the first option could be dropped in my opinion. In the old times it was common to write a comment and to technically close with a general reason. Now, this is exactly what &quot;other&quot; does." CreationDate="2014-08-17T21:24:19.043" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8524" PostId="1856" Score="7" Text="The first option is useful for the occasional questions that aren't really about math at all.  I also use it for exceptionally poor questions (e.g., obvious homework questions with no effort shown) that I don't want to encourage sending to MSE.  On the difference between the second and third options, I agree with what quid said." CreationDate="2014-08-18T05:03:33.397" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="8528" PostId="1856" Score="4" Text="Numbers are not necessarily mathematics. Numbers which would be written out as words in formal writing are *definitely* not mathematics. So why the mathematical markup? Do you enjoy slowing down page render times just for the fun of it?" CreationDate="2014-08-19T20:26:35.687" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="8529" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="@TRiG: I think typesetting numbers often looks better and helps to make related numbers stand out. (For consistency, I should have spelled out the first $3$.) It also lets people control the size to make them even more legible. If you are seeing a significant slowdown due to rendering a few numbers, you might have something misconfigured, and you should work on that instead of complaining about style." CreationDate="2014-08-20T00:20:42.313" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="8532" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="As far as I can remember, the only two reasons I've ever needed are &quot;does not appear to be about research mathematics&quot; and &quot;not a real question&quot;.  I wish we still had the latter." CreationDate="2014-08-20T23:32:26.520" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="8533" PostId="1856" Score="2" Text="@StevenLandsburg &quot;unclear what you are asking&quot; is very often a substitute for the latter, and &quot;too broad&quot; covers quite a bit of the remaining ones." CreationDate="2014-08-21T07:39:22.903" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8534" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="@quid:  The problem with &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; is that the wording invites the author to clarify or add further details, whereas often it's quite clear that the question (or non-question) should just be closed." CreationDate="2014-08-21T11:03:08.120" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="8536" PostId="1856" Score="1" Text="@Douglas: Years ago I was writing musical reviews in some e-zine. The zine was Norwegian based, and the writers were mostly Europeans, the majority of which were not native speakers. So at one point the editor hired a guy to analyze each one's style to point out our major weaknesses, as well to write some general guide of rules. One of them was that numbers between zero and ten (inclusive) should be written as a word, rather than a number, when context doesn't require them to be written numerically. This would be the case here, and had I been your editor now, I would have said something." CreationDate="2014-08-22T11:25:10.090" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8537" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="@Asaf Karagila: My editors have contradicted both common sense and each other. I believe many editors feel the need to say something or else they will look like they contribute nothing. The most popular style guides disagree about which numbers should be written out in common English, and I choose to disagree with some antiquated conventions for the sake of readability. In case you really want to discuss my writing style and agree with TRiG's stupid suggestion that I must &quot;enjoy slowing down page render just for the fun of it&quot; then I suggest making your own question." CreationDate="2014-08-22T11:43:12.170" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="8538" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="Dougles, with my well configured Arch Linux, Openbox windows manager, and sufficient amount of processor power, RAM, and bandwidth, I don't experience any difficulties with some rendering issues." CreationDate="2014-08-22T11:45:49.250" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8539" PostId="1856" Score="2" Text="@Asaf Karagila: $\textrm{Darn, then I guess I have to try harder.}$" CreationDate="2014-08-22T11:52:36.523" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="8614" PostId="1856" Score="1" Text="@EricWofsey I know it is used sometimes like this but I consider this as not optimal. For example I consider the closure http://mathoverflow.net/questions/180091/general-rule-for-rationalizing-a-denominator as not optimal since there is no explanatory comment and sending OP just to &quot;on-topic&quot; is not that helpful. I'd consider it as better if this was closed with &quot;other&quot; that would &quot;force&quot; someone to write a comment. Or, we could come up with new custom reason for those usecases. Put differently, my problem is that this custom OT reason is not really custom at all but as general as it gets." CreationDate="2014-09-04T18:09:33.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8615" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg yes I remeber a discussion on that about a year ago. In some very abstract sense I might agree with you, but in practice first I do not think it is that important and second it seems somehow nicer to leave open the possibility that that OP might have a valid question to ask (even if it seems very unlikely)." CreationDate="2014-09-04T18:24:01.850" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8540" PostId="1857" Score="0" Text="The problem was indeed gone a few days ago, but it's back now." CreationDate="2014-08-22T18:25:10.903" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="8541" PostId="1857" Score="0" Text="And it's gone again --- maybe it just came by for a brief visit." CreationDate="2014-08-22T19:26:01.543" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="8542" PostId="1862" Score="1" Text="Interestingly, I was just about to post a similar question to gather some community input and ultimately make this a faq. (I wonder if we were motivated by the same thing but that ultimately doesn't matter.) In view of this interesting coincidence and the fact that we generally prefer when the community brings up an issue, I will not post a competing question to yours but I will feature it so it can gather more answers." CreationDate="2014-08-22T22:24:42.973" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8543" PostId="1862" Score="23" Text="Post Q with a link to P and an explanation of how Q differs." CreationDate="2014-08-22T23:22:56.767" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8565" PostId="1862" Score="4" Text="I suppose I could post Q with a link to P and an explanation of how Q doesn't differ.  P really does contain Q." CreationDate="2014-08-25T22:52:36.330" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8566" PostId="1862" Score="2" Text="In theory you can put a bounty on P with a custom comment that explains you want an answer to Q. I don't know how well it works in practice." CreationDate="2014-08-26T01:41:40.517" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="8560" PostId="1863" Score="4" Text="I like this answer, but mind your $P$s and $Q$s!" CreationDate="2014-08-25T09:31:52.517" UserId="45255" />
  <row Id="8564" PostId="1863" Score="5" Text="An easy mistake to make, not least because BQP is more general than BPP!" CreationDate="2014-08-25T22:26:24.687" UserId="39521" />
  <row Id="8546" PostId="1864" Score="2" Text="The traditional way to get this done is to post an answer [here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/862/help-cleanup-tags). In any case, those clearly need cleanup. Any thoughts on which one to keep?" CreationDate="2014-08-23T21:26:06.463" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8547" PostId="1864" Score="0" Text="[tag:calculus-of-variations] and [tag:variational-calculus] are already synonyms." CreationDate="2014-08-23T21:28:00.000" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8548" PostId="1864" Score="2" Text="Please ignore what the template says about your question.  I'm closing it so we can keep discussion about merging tags in one place." CreationDate="2014-08-23T22:24:33.170" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="8544" PostId="1865" Score="8" Text="I think the reason for the close votes is likely rather the *formulation* of the question than the question as such. -- In particular, I think it is not good style to ask people to fill in the gaps in a draft of a proof, or to let people find errors in one's argumentation. I would just pose this as a terse 2-line question, followed by a few lines of explanation particularly mentioning the (11364,46061) example." CreationDate="2014-08-23T21:06:58.430" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8545" PostId="1865" Score="7" Text="You might explain how it's ultimately a question about elliptic curves or at any rate explain why it's deeper than elementary number theory. There are *so many* questions that get posted inappropriately at MO that it's easy to understand why a problem which looks at first glance to be elementary but is deep in disguise may be closed on the basis of quick impressions." CreationDate="2014-08-23T21:15:09.823" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8549" PostId="1865" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl: Interesting. Thanks for that. I was under the impression that _not_ showing that I've done work on the problem would put me in worse stead." CreationDate="2014-08-23T23:35:49.180" UserId="19844" />
  <row Id="8550" PostId="1865" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: Thanks. Should I remove all of the existing explanation (as suggested by Stefan Kohl), or add this new information?" CreationDate="2014-08-24T00:13:16.800" UserId="19844" />
  <row Id="8551" PostId="1865" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure how to pose the question in any way that satisfies the implied requirements. In particular, to Stefan Kohl's point, what would a &quot;terse 2-line question&quot; look like in this case?" CreationDate="2014-08-24T00:50:56.807" UserId="19844" />
  <row Id="8552" PostId="1865" Score="5" Text="I'm guessing the &quot;terse 2-line question&quot; could just be the bit before you embark on the partial proof. (I see Stefan's point: the proposed line of attack might after all be a dead end, and trying to follow the close reasoning might be distracting to some readers. It might work better as an addendum, headed by a &quot;FWIW&quot;.) OTOH: the question also looks somewhat unmotivated. If you have an interesting number-theoretic context that you could explain (possibly involving integral points on elliptic curves or something else that is relevant), that might help garner interest in your question." CreationDate="2014-08-24T01:58:45.770" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8553" PostId="1865" Score="0" Text="I've done my best to incorporate your suggestions. Thank you." CreationDate="2014-08-24T02:18:30.313" UserId="19844" />
  <row Id="8554" PostId="1865" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble: Thanks for the help. And I don't at all mind your edit on my original post! That being said… It would seem to me that a question like “Is this conjecture correct?” [potentially with much less work shown] is __less__ 'research-level' than what I originally had. Am I wrong?" CreationDate="2014-08-24T14:01:00.743" UserId="19844" />
  <row Id="8555" PostId="1865" Score="3" Text="Potentially, maybe, but I think in the present case it's offset by the work you've evidently put into this. I wouldn't have performed the edit but for the fact that MO can be a little peculiar; an imperative verb like &quot;Consider...&quot; without an accompanying question has been known to rub people the wrong way, which I wanted to avoid. In any case, it looks as though this question will now stay open. :-)" CreationDate="2014-08-24T15:07:21.657" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8563" PostId="1865" Score="4" Text="There was no reason to close the question to begin with, but now, in view of the answers, it is clear that closing it would have been a big loss for MO." CreationDate="2014-08-25T21:39:19.790" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="8568" PostId="1865" Score="4" Text="I continue to believe that if this page of excellent advice http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/882/how-to-write-a-good-mathoverflow-question were made more accessible on the main site, such situations would be less likely to occur." CreationDate="2014-08-26T04:09:10.987" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="8575" PostId="1873" Score="0" Text="A viable alternative is to use [StackEdit](https://stackedit.io/) for composition." CreationDate="2014-08-28T03:04:43.993" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="24573" PostId="1873" Score="0" Text="Some people use a bookmarklet created by robjohn for this purpose: [math rendering on demand and/or offline message composing](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/8233), https://www.math.ucla.edu/~robjohn/math/mathjax.html" CreationDate="2021-01-11T13:09:45.043" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="8576" PostId="1874" Score="1" Text="I've contacted someone on the StackExchange team about this. It might take a day or two for the merger request to be fulfilled." CreationDate="2014-08-28T11:02:05.727" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8577" PostId="1874" Score="0" Text="Thank you for that!" CreationDate="2014-08-28T11:21:13.787" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="8709" PostId="1874" Score="0" Text="@ Todd Trimble There seems to have occurred a less than satisfying merger as only the physics exchange gives me access. It may perhaps be because user Tim Post just went ahead and did something. What should I do? I am now back from a longer travel and would like to attend some communication at Mathoverflow, but cannot log in." CreationDate="2014-09-22T22:38:18.013" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="8708" PostId="1875" Score="0" Text="The problem is that I am not satisfied with how this works. I attempted to log in to the mentioned sites, and things do not work for me now that I again have time to attend to these matters after being away." CreationDate="2014-09-22T22:30:53.077" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="8714" PostId="1875" Score="1" Text="@FrodeBjørdal Have you contacted us? That's the best way to get anything sorted, because we're probably going to need to ask you about some details that are better suited for private discussion. I'm sure whatever is going on will be simple to fix." CreationDate="2014-09-23T05:06:58.333" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8580" PostId="1877" Score="11" Text="Yes, you can. Go to your profile page, click on `my logins` and then on `add more logins... ` and select Google." CreationDate="2014-08-28T21:14:21.260" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="8581" PostId="1877" Score="0" Text="Great, thanks! Works perfectly" CreationDate="2014-08-29T12:17:13.680" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="8583" PostId="1879" Score="1" Text="Sure -- but the suggested question is about a particular book, and thus maybe not of particularly broad interest, I think." CreationDate="2014-08-29T21:12:22.973" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8584" PostId="1879" Score="3" Text="Thanks, Todd—I have done just what you suggested, at http://matheducators.stackexchange.com/questions/4301/exercises-to-go-with-simons-representations-of-finite-and-compact-groups." CreationDate="2014-08-29T23:44:21.347" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="8585" PostId="1879" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl I imagine it being less about a specific book and more about a subject area that the book is about (a subject that is moreover treated in hundreds of other places, and one of fairly broad interest)." CreationDate="2014-08-29T23:59:28.413" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8679" PostId="1881" Score="0" Text="I prefer pronouns. I usually prefer professionals over hobbyists, and pronouns are professional nouns! This in contrast to your answer which is pro-nouns and against pronouns!" CreationDate="2014-09-18T22:54:37.140" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8697" PostId="1881" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila this is profound!" CreationDate="2014-09-21T23:17:39.333" UserId="20627" />
  <row Id="8698" PostId="1881" Score="0" Text="@magma: It is indeed. And I'm pro profound, as I said, I prefer the professional found words, over the hobbyist found words. And where a pro would be profound, a hobbyist will usually only be found." CreationDate="2014-09-21T23:23:08.910" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8699" PostId="1881" Score="3" Text="@Asaf, you value word games more than words." CreationDate="2014-09-22T00:33:00.717" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="8700" PostId="1881" Score="0" Text="It's an illness really. I'm the victim here... :-)" CreationDate="2014-09-22T03:55:20.713" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8701" PostId="1881" Score="2" Text="A victim? I'd rather say that you're *guilty as charged* :-)" CreationDate="2014-09-22T04:48:45.243" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="8678" PostId="1882" Score="1" Text="+1. I agree with this very much. (But I don't understand your remark about fear of asking logic questions.)" CreationDate="2014-09-18T22:51:05.050" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="8680" PostId="1882" Score="0" Text="@Joel, thank you. (I was just joking about questions about logic)." CreationDate="2014-09-18T23:00:33.130" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="8586" PostId="1883" Score="8" Text="One small problem is that the notation 'cyc' of the question is unexplained. (Don't bother explaining; I already clicked further back and found out.) But no, I think the level of this question would probably be considered too low for MO. &quot;Research level&quot; may be taken to refer to research of professional mathematicians and PhD candidates." CreationDate="2014-08-30T11:57:56.087" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8589" PostId="1883" Score="5" Text="Also, questions of the form 'please check my proof' are usually frowned upon." CreationDate="2014-08-31T17:34:16.333" UserId="1463" />
  <row Id="8595" PostId="1884" Score="1" Text="I would say that a message popping up when you post an answer is a small price to pay for having everything gathered one place." CreationDate="2014-09-02T17:59:01.897" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="21359" PostId="1885" Score="0" Text="I will add also link to this post on [math.meta.se]: [Distinguishing between questions and answers in references.](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3586). Mainly for the reasons that the answers there contain more information on various formats of links to answers." CreationDate="2019-12-05T07:53:53.463" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="8630" PostId="1887" Score="9" Text="It might be worthwhile to observe that when doing this while logged in the url one gets looks somewhat different than the one in the image and depends on the user requesting it (via an appended &quot;/[userID]&quot;); depending on context one might prefer to remove this individual part." CreationDate="2014-09-05T17:50:35.077" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8602" PostId="1888" Score="4" Text="No, it's not suitable." CreationDate="2014-09-03T10:18:02.157" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8605" PostId="1888" Score="5" Text="For anyone wondering: 'cervellotic' did not appear directly in the online English dictionaries I looked at, but it seems to be extracted from Italian and means 'weird' or 'odd' or 'strange'." CreationDate="2014-09-03T11:35:59.717" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8606" PostId="1888" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: So it doesn’t derive from cervesia as I assumed? That’s a shame." CreationDate="2014-09-03T12:31:03.993" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8645" PostId="1888" Score="0" Text="related to the cervix?" CreationDate="2014-09-07T20:20:06.757" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="8604" PostId="1889" Score="3" Text="Alright, sorry for rushing! Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-09-03T11:14:51.903" UserId="57068" />
  <row Id="8610" PostId="1890" Score="15" Text="Sure, why not? Especially if it comes from an expert, this may be the best currently available answer. Use your best judgment, and keep in mind that an answer can be unaccepted if a better answer comes down the road (in which case one should leave a courteous comment explaining why the answer was unaccepted)." CreationDate="2014-09-04T11:38:56.420" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8611" PostId="1890" Score="2" Text="I agree with you with the fact that it can be unaccepted. Perhaps it's suitable to wait (for example) a week. One problem could be that some people consulting a list of posts and seeing that this one has an accepted answer (whereas it is just partial), do not open it. It could be relevant to have two levels of acceptation: partial and complete, with two different colors easily distinguishable." CreationDate="2014-09-04T12:07:52.900" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8612" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="Yes, waiting a while for answers to come in is part of exercising one's good judgment. (I'm not too worried about people not opening posts that have accepted answers; probably they were not very interested in the topic if they do not open it.)" CreationDate="2014-09-04T12:20:12.400" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8613" PostId="1890" Score="5" Text="I'd also find it good to be able to distinguish between &quot;answered completely and unconditionally&quot; and &quot;answered up to open problems&quot;. -- More concretely, so far I have 3 questions which this applies to: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/138106/, http://mathoverflow.net/questions/118523/ and http://mathoverflow.net/questions/168109/." CreationDate="2014-09-04T12:30:10.920" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8617" PostId="1890" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble, I think the question should not be &quot;why not?&quot;, but &quot;why to accept?&quot;. In my opinion, accepting an answer means closing the question (&quot;I don't have this question anymore&quot;) --- the op says that he is fully satisfied with the answer and is not interested in any further answers (otherwise, what would be the purpose of the accept button? --- you may always leave a comment that you have found someone's answer the best and add &quot;thank you&quot;). (cont...)" CreationDate="2014-09-04T21:43:23.173" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8618" PostId="1890" Score="1" Text="(...cont) On a few occasions I think I saw a situation when someone accepted a non-optimal (or even wrong) answer, but I did not post my answer, because I did not want to intrude the op, who (by checking the accept button) clearly indicated that he is happy with the provided answer --- why on earth should I try to destroy someone's happiness?" CreationDate="2014-09-04T21:44:15.483" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8620" PostId="1890" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl, I do not think so. I have just said that, in my opinion, someone should accept an answer if he is fully satisfied with the answer. If it turns out that the answer to his question depends on an open conjecture and the op *is* interested in the conjecture (whether it is true, false, or neither) then it may be *logical* to not accept the answer unless the conjecture is settled, or another answer to his question is found that does not depend on the conjecture. It may be also logical to accept the answer and ask another question about the conjecture. It is all to the op and his needs." CreationDate="2014-09-04T22:20:54.887" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8621" PostId="1890" Score="3" Text="@MichalR.Przybylek There's an answer of mine that you once accepted, although it was later shown to have a mistake in it. So I guess you should probably unaccept it according to your criteria. But I think &quot;accept&quot; can actually have several meanings, such as &quot;provisionally, this seems to be the best one can say (but this may change if more information comes in)&quot;, or &quot;this didn't answer every last thing, but it was extremely helpful and put me on the right track&quot;, etc. Historically, acceptance has been used these ways. I think there's a lot of latitude and it's hard to give a hard and fast rule." CreationDate="2014-09-04T23:31:13.927" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8622" PostId="1890" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble, not at all. Once, I was interested in getting an answer to my question, because I lacked essential tools to approach it. Then I got one answer that I thought was correct, so I accepted it. As I said in the comments, I learnt much from your answer, and then I was not interested in getting the correct answer to my question from anyone but myself anymore (I generally prefer thinking over reading). (cont...)" CreationDate="2014-09-05T08:00:02.630" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8623" PostId="1890" Score="2" Text="(...cont) Put it another way --- getting an answer to an interesting question is like paying for the knowledge by the question --- you lose your question permanently (so you can not enjoy your time on thinking about the question anymore), but get something in the exchange. On the other hand, getting an interesting *wrong* answer is a win-win situation: you still have your interesting question, and at the same time you could learn something new :-)" CreationDate="2014-09-05T08:01:08.787" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8624" PostId="1890" Score="1" Text="However, I think all of the above is a bit off topic. The question should be: &quot;what is the meaning of the acceptance button&quot;. In my opinion it is: &quot;I do not have this question anymore&quot; and it seems the SE policy for questions with accepted answers justify this opinion (notice that MO is not for writing about interesting things if no-one asks for them). If I understand the other opinion, it is something like: &quot;Thank you, your answer was really helpful&quot;. Is it correct?" CreationDate="2014-09-05T08:15:29.903" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8625" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="@MichalR.Przybylek It's an excellent question, and the proposals are interesting. I still think it is reasonable and appropriate to accept an expert answer that the question is likely very hard (in effect accepting the likely reality of a situation), and still have the question be alive. But mine is just one man's opinion, and it would be good to hear from others." CreationDate="2014-09-05T11:47:15.650" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8626" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble, I think we are in violent agreement when it comes to most parts. So let me try to focus, once again, on the differences --- to answer the question &quot;should I accept an answer?&quot;, in my opinion, one should first know &quot;what is the meaning of accepting an answer (i.e. clicking on the acceptance button) --- both in technical and social terms (it would be grate if it was a single answer compatible with both aspects)?&quot;." CreationDate="2014-09-05T12:58:49.710" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8627" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="My point is that the button is a *technical* tool that modifies the chances of getting better answers, and as such should not be used for purely social purposes." CreationDate="2014-09-05T13:29:01.580" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8628" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="@MichalR.Przybylek: don't you think that the creation of two levels of acceptance is a suitable solution for all the opinions?" CreationDate="2014-09-05T13:38:00.327" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8629" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="@SébastienPalcoux, I do not know. What would be the *technical* meaning of this partial acceptance? If you want to say &quot;thank you&quot;, cannot you just say &quot;thank you&quot;, and if you want to reward someone with points, cannot you just do it manually? What would you do with partially accepted answer, when a more complete answer came? And why two levels, and not three levels, or six levels, or infinitely many levels? Why would just &quot;two&quot; be better than &quot;one&quot; and better than &quot;three&quot;? Do you want to order answers?... There is such a feature right now --- called &quot;voting&quot;." CreationDate="2014-09-05T14:23:57.813" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8631" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="@MichalR.Przybylek: I quite agree with the meaning of the first comment of Stefan. Only one answer should be accepted, but you can choose one of these two levels. If the partial acceptance is chosen and if an complete answer is given after, then the partial answer should be unaccepted, and this new answer, accepted at the level &quot;complete&quot;. I'm also agree with your idea, to open new posts about the &quot;(up to) open problems&quot;, when it's relevant. If these new posts obtain complete answers, then the initial partial answer should also win the &quot;complete&quot; level (after adding the hyperlinks)." CreationDate="2014-09-05T19:42:01.550" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8632" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="These two levels of acceptance should also be very useful for the next generation of users who could consult directly the list of questions with a partially accepted answer, for trying to complete them." CreationDate="2014-09-05T19:50:44.330" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8635" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="@SébastienPalcoux, I am not convinced yet --- I tried to summarize my points in the answer. You are welcome to downvote it if I completely missunderstood you :-)" CreationDate="2014-09-06T18:38:05.890" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8633" PostId="1892" Score="1" Text="Related: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1845/extending-questions-and-answers-gradually" CreationDate="2014-09-06T01:49:04.680" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="8634" PostId="1892" Score="16" Text="Several highly knowledgeable users seem to agree that the conjecture is very likely false, and are in the process of proving this. If you believe in your approach go ahead and wrok on it. To ask  another question seems inappropriate to me." CreationDate="2014-09-06T10:42:35.860" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8637" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="The creation of the tag &quot;partially-answered&quot; is an *interesting idea*. I'm not sure that it is really usable: for example some questions has already the maximum number of tags. Nevertheless, I'm agree for trying to use this tag." CreationDate="2014-09-06T18:50:09.683" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8638" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="I've just created this tag." CreationDate="2014-09-06T18:53:58.277" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8639" PostId="1893" Score="4" Text="@SébastienPalcoux: I think &quot;partially-answered&quot; would qualify as a meta tag. -- At least as I understand, the use of meta tags is rather not encouraged." CreationDate="2014-09-06T20:03:06.087" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8641" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="@SébastienPalcoux, there are a lot of problems with the current tag system. A smart person should perhaps create a proposal for hierarchical tags. I usually do not spend much time on MO and restrict my attention to category theory, and, sometimes, to logic. So, for example, when someone uses tag &quot;monoidal-category&quot; without tag &quot;category-theory&quot; it is very likely that I will miss his question." CreationDate="2014-09-06T20:07:33.463" UserId="13480" />
  <row Id="8642" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: if this meta tag is not accepted by the community, then the problem is still open. Some meta tags are well-accepted: open-problem, big-list, reference-request, soft-question..." CreationDate="2014-09-06T20:26:55.380" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8643" PostId="1893" Score="4" Text="Dear @Sébastien Palcoux, there is a big difference between the tags you mention and the tag 'partially-answered'. The tags 'open-problem', 'big-list', 'reference-request', 'soft-question' give some information on the type or subject of the question, while 'partially-answered' attempts to describe the present status of the thread. This is traditionally not the role tags play. In fact, I cannot think of a single tag on the main site whose purpose is to describe the status of the thread." CreationDate="2014-09-07T19:13:16.630" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="8644" PostId="1893" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade: you're right, except for 'open-problem' which is quite close to 'paritally-answered', in fact 'open-problem' is described by: &lt;&lt; If it turns out that a problem is equivalent to a known open problem, then the open-problem tag is added.  &gt;&gt;  Anyway, my initial proposal was to create two levels of acceptance, but such a tag is a simpler solution, so if you (and the community) disagree, then I'm ok for deleting this tag, but then are you agree with my initial proposal? Else, what do you propose?" CreationDate="2014-09-07T19:42:36.947" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8652" PostId="1893" Score="2" Text="@SébastienPalcoux for the &quot;open-problem&quot; : it is first around since a very long time when these things were not that clear, second some (me for example) try/ied to change its use but things are moving slowly, third it is still a difference to indicate that something is about a (well-known) open problem as opposed to it being just some question that is not yet fully answered on this site. In any case please do not tag any further question with this partiall answered tag for now. Finally, I for one do not really like some of the other metaish tags either but it is hard to get rid of them now." CreationDate="2014-09-09T22:23:16.210" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8653" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="@quid: what do you propose instead?" CreationDate="2014-09-09T22:33:09.270" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8655" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="@SébastienPalcoux I am sorry, I have no proposal at the moment. Still, the tagging system should not be used in this way. If you feel you *must* do something right now edit the title of the question  something like that. (I do not propose to do this it is just relatively less harmful.)" CreationDate="2014-09-09T22:37:36.327" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8658" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="@quid: if you want to delete this tag, you can (I believe I can't do it that myself). It's an interesting idea to put &quot;partially-answered&quot; in the title (or in the body), because then we can find all such posts by using the [advanced research option](http://mathoverflow.net/help/searching): title:&quot;partially-answered&quot; (or body:&quot;partially-answered&quot;). In fact it  would be simpler to put &quot;partially-answered&quot; in a comment, unfortunately there is no advanced research option for the comments, isn't it?" CreationDate="2014-09-10T10:28:06.680" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8659" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="@SébastienPalcoux it is best to let a mod deal with it (only they can remove it without bumping the questions again; FGD mentioned in chat he will comment later). Yes, to edit a note in the body could actually be a good idea. One could use the &quot;keyword&quot; partially answererd (or something linke this) and at the same time add a paragraph what it is precisely that is still missing. This seems appropriate to me. re comments: AFAIK they are not searchable *by design* The abstract idea here is that everything that is actually important should be an edit to the question or an answer or a new answer." CreationDate="2014-09-10T12:02:18.970" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8662" PostId="1893" Score="3" Text="@SébastienPalcoux and others. I deleted the new tag you created. I don't think the basic idea for the tag was bad, but such tags are not the solution. At best the new tag would be a crutch, it's much preferable to have a genuine solution to an actual problem." CreationDate="2014-09-12T03:40:29.123" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8663" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: What's your genuine solution? What do you think about my initial idea of two levels of acceptance? or the idea to put &quot;partially-answered&quot; in the body (with some explanations) for  finding the post by using the advanced research option body:&quot;partially-answered&quot;." CreationDate="2014-09-12T09:17:09.260" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="8664" PostId="1893" Score="2" Text="@SébastienPalcoux: I think the best solution is to ask a follow-up question and link the two. Anything else would have lesser visibility." CreationDate="2014-09-12T14:20:01.460" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8647" PostId="1894" Score="5" Text="The correct question would be not whether or not MO is connected, but what is the average of neighbors of MO regulars in this graph (to exclude the mass of transient users, lurkers, and otherwise people who don't participate much)." CreationDate="2014-09-09T06:44:11.547" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8648" PostId="1894" Score="1" Text="I find the phrasing of your dichotomy unfortunate. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;mathematical interests in common&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-09-09T11:52:39.230" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8741" PostId="1894" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi sorry, I saw your question long ago and did not answer. This is in fact a painful spot for me - I work at a research institute where once in few years we try to organize a common seminar where groups of ODE people, probabilists, physicists, topologists, algebraists try to contaminate each other with their favorite topics, and so far such seminars have been constant failure. It is really bugging me and I keep thinking about ways to improve communication between us. We simply do not understand each other." CreationDate="2014-10-01T05:46:35.093" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="18345" PostId="1894" Score="1" Text="This post looks at tags rather than users - but perhaps it is still a bit interesting in connection with this question: [An interactive graph of MathOverflow tags](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2139)." CreationDate="2019-02-11T08:38:50.460" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18805" PostId="1894" Score="1" Text="a geometer can not resist: is MO irreducible?" CreationDate="2019-04-08T17:30:18.120" UserDisplayName="user137767" />
  <row Id="8646" PostId="1895" Score="0" Text="IIRC, this has already been done somewhere on tea." CreationDate="2014-09-09T04:38:02.477" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8649" PostId="1896" Score="3" Text="I assume that the six groups correspond with various math subject areas,  but can we find out which?" CreationDate="2014-09-09T20:27:48.397" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="8650" PostId="1896" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins The analysis did not take subject area into account. This is presumably the case but it could also be that G1 is the soft-question cluster or something similar." CreationDate="2014-09-09T21:10:10.780" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8651" PostId="1896" Score="5" Text="Yes, I assumed that the topic affiliation would ride upon the connectivity information in the graph. It would be interesting to know which tags have high correlations with the six groups, which would presumably be possible to compute for someone with the data. It would give more semantic content to the analysis than just &quot;there are six groups&quot;." CreationDate="2014-09-09T21:49:10.087" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="8656" PostId="1896" Score="8" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: I will contact the authors. Since these are clusters of users, my guess is that classification would require more than 'computation'. It's hard to put people in boxes and I strongly suspect that most of these six groups are amalgams of related ideas that don't correspond to typical mathematical classification. (See, [for example](http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/01/how-netflix-reverse-engineered-hollywood/282679/), how Netflix's movie clustering differs from human-made movie classifications.)" CreationDate="2014-09-09T23:27:14.960" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8657" PostId="1896" Score="3" Text="Great! You may be very right, but it will be interesting if they are able to report any tag correlations or another manner of describing these various groups." CreationDate="2014-09-10T00:27:03.667" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="8688" PostId="1899" Score="1" Text="Some of those 19 questions have only a brief mention of discrete morse theory -- sometimes only in the answers. It looks maybe only 8 or 9 of those threads deserve a discrete-morse-theory tag.   But that's substantial enough to create a tag." CreationDate="2014-09-19T15:07:12.023" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="8667" PostId="1901" Score="3" Text="possible duplicate of [How can I log in into my old mathoverflow account?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/15/how-can-i-log-in-into-my-old-mathoverflow-account)" CreationDate="2014-09-17T09:15:20.263" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8669" PostId="1901" Score="3" Text="Welcome back! Plenty of others had the (presumably) same issue when MO upgraded to SE 2.0. The comment linking to the old question should be sufficient; but allow for a few days for the thing to be processed; it is not the case anymore that the site's moderators can do this so there is some overhead. However, in case of trouble you can still contact them for help." CreationDate="2014-09-17T09:23:10.453" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8670" PostId="1901" Score="0" Text="Thank you, I have done the process - hopefully I will get back the original account" CreationDate="2014-09-17T09:46:27.913" UserId="828" />
  <row Id="8672" PostId="1902" Score="0" Text="Maybe also the link to this weeks [reputation league](http://stackexchange.com/leagues/251/week/mathoverflow/2014-09-14?sort=totalreputation) can be added. (Although it will probably need until tomorrow to update.)" CreationDate="2014-09-17T11:02:07.870" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="8673" PostId="1902" Score="8" Text="Thanks, quid, how kind of you to notice it. It's surely been a lot of fun!" CreationDate="2014-09-17T12:02:40.453" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="8674" PostId="1902" Score="1" Text="Congratulations, Joel." CreationDate="2014-09-17T12:50:47.157" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="8675" PostId="1902" Score="0" Text="My pleasure, @JoelDavidHamkins!" CreationDate="2014-09-17T14:51:47.677" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8676" PostId="1902" Score="1" Text="Thanks for adding the image @Todd" CreationDate="2014-09-17T14:52:06.580" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8681" PostId="1902" Score="3" Text="JDH writes some personal reflections here: http://jdh.hamkins.org/mathoverflow-the-eternal-fountain-of-mathematics-reflections-on-a-hundred-kiloreps/" CreationDate="2014-09-19T00:05:53.577" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="8684" PostId="1903" Score="3" Text="in this connection, +10k users (who can view deleted answers) might find this recent incident of some interest (I found it an unpleasant incident, but indeed, no big deal). --- http://mathoverflow.net/questions/179701" CreationDate="2014-09-19T10:41:58.437" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="8685" PostId="1903" Score="3" Text="Ridiculous that you had to remove your thoughtful answer because of a &quot;bug&quot; in the system!" CreationDate="2014-09-19T10:58:11.773" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="8689" PostId="1903" Score="3" Text="I removed the bounty in order to give you more options." CreationDate="2014-09-19T21:00:27.820" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8691" PostId="1903" Score="2" Text="It is **definitely** because @FrançoisG.Dorais removed it. It was simply gone at the point when it would have been awarded and that was the point of his intervention. How in the world should it still have been awarded? Whether or not it *would* have been autoawarded, we cannot infer anything now." CreationDate="2014-09-20T08:31:24.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8692" PostId="1903" Score="7" Text="Furtermore, yes, the usage of bug here *is* controversial. The general behavior that the system can decided on a bounty (taking 50% away) is **clearly** by design (there might be some bugs in the details but you question the general behavior). To tag something that is &quot;by design&quot; as bug is a clear misue  (in this context). A feature you do not like is **not** a bug. If you want something that is &quot;by design&quot; changed, file a feature request. Tagging it bug is inapproriate." CreationDate="2014-09-20T08:35:36.397" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8682" PostId="1904" Score="5" Text="That's what I thought, but the help page says &quot;The highest voted answer created after the bounty started ...&quot;.  So I don't see why this applies to this question." CreationDate="2014-09-19T01:36:59.567" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="8683" PostId="1904" Score="0" Text="@Lucia You are right. Actually I remember something about at least 3 upvotes and the whole bounty amount. Maybe i don't remember correctly. But it may be possible that the bounty process has been changed, but the warning message is just not adjusted accordingly. Or just that the &quot;will be auto-awarded&quot; refers to the process that will start (described in the link) if you don't award it yourself. Which in this case will not award the bounty to anyone." CreationDate="2014-09-19T09:48:38.990" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="8687" PostId="1904" Score="1" Text="@Lucia at least on MO 1.0 the actual behavior did not match the description; I got an autoawarded bounty on a pre-existing answer.  Possibly this was fixed in the interim though." CreationDate="2014-09-19T12:45:33.050" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8694" PostId="1906" Score="2" Text="Clicking on the edit history shows &quot;Post Made Community Wiki by Todd Trimble&quot; on Sept 14, shortly after it was asked." CreationDate="2014-09-21T18:18:17.593" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="8696" PostId="1906" Score="11" Text="Traditionally, i.e., since the inception of MathOverflow, questions that ask for lists of examples, 'soft questions', questions asking for advice, or that are about philosophy -- in short, questions that have no definitive answer and whose answers are subject to individual tastes -- are made 'Community Wiki'. You can find some discussion on this in this thread, http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/, and it's my observation that many in the community support this guideline (which may be different from how CW is applied on other SE websites)." CreationDate="2014-09-21T22:13:24.007" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8702" PostId="1908" Score="8" Text="There has been some discussion at http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/16809/a-mathjax-alternative-from-khan-academy" CreationDate="2014-09-22T07:27:36.703" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8703" PostId="1908" Score="1" Text="There are some concerns, as highlighted in the answers given to the post that Gerry linked to. I'm going to let one of our developers answer this, please be patient :)" CreationDate="2014-09-22T09:32:57.383" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8704" PostId="1908" Score="2" Text="Although the functionality is currently limited, it seems to be worth keeping an eye on." CreationDate="2014-09-22T17:13:03.457" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8705" PostId="1908" Score="2" Text="I marked this [meta-tag:status-deferred] for the two reasons I explained in my answer below. There seems to be no reasonable way to add KaTeX as a MathJax alternative on MO at this time. However, the issue could be revisited once KaTeX improves its functionality and starts offering support for their product." CreationDate="2014-09-22T17:24:49.243" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8716" PostId="1908" Score="4" Text="See also the discussion with the same title on PhysicsOverflow: http://www.physicsoverflow.org/23869/katex-vs-mathjax?show=23970#c23970" CreationDate="2014-09-23T12:23:10.373" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="8706" PostId="1910" Score="0" Text="I have no idea what you are asking about. The bottom left corner of your site displays “Proudly powered by WordPress”, which has obviously nothing to do with MathJax." CreationDate="2014-09-22T21:19:13.817" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8707" PostId="1910" Score="0" Text="Oh, do you mean the “Typesetting math: 54%” status info? See http://docs.mathjax.org/en/latest/options/hub.html ." CreationDate="2014-09-22T21:23:06.163" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8710" PostId="1910" Score="1" Text="I think this question is better suited for the [MathJax user group](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mathjax-users) or some other [MathJax support forum](http://www.mathjax.org/contact/)." CreationDate="2014-09-23T00:32:13.663" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8712" PostId="1910" Score="0" Text="In particular see the `showProcessingMessages: true` setting." CreationDate="2014-09-23T01:51:30.393" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="8713" PostId="1910" Score="3" Text="This question appears to be off-topic because it is about MathJax." CreationDate="2014-09-23T01:51:59.597" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="8711" PostId="1912" Score="2" Text="Just a minor addendum: &quot;Put a line of the form...&quot; This can be accomplished by clicking on the Image icon among the editing options (**B**, *I*, etc.)." CreationDate="2014-09-23T01:30:25.857" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="8715" PostId="1912" Score="6" Text="Another not so minor addendum: rather than putting it on a random website which might or might not continue to host it later, it’s better to put it on the stackexchange imgur account (which I believe the image icon will suggest automatically). See http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/new-image-upload-support/ ." CreationDate="2014-09-23T11:14:04.453" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8719" PostId="1912" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: If hosting images on imgur is preferred over hosting them on other websites, I think copying images over to imgur by a script is straightforward." CreationDate="2014-09-23T20:44:37.820" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8720" PostId="1912" Score="2" Text="I don’t think there is much point in mass moving images that are already hosted elsewhere. What I mainly wanted to stress is that the process is easier than what your answer suggests. If the image is already available online, fine, just insert the image link. But if it is not, one needn’t go to pains of looking for an external site to host it (which might be nontrivial for some users). One can just click on the image icon and directly upload the image from local computer to the default site." CreationDate="2014-09-23T21:32:56.197" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8728" PostId="1912" Score="0" Text="Better yet:  instead of url-of-your-picture.edu, use yourdomain.com/blah, where yourdomain.com is the name of a domain that you own.  That way, if the hosting site ever disappears, you can move your files elsewhere, repoint yourdomain.com, and not have to edit the MO post." CreationDate="2014-09-25T23:56:53.327" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="8765" PostId="1912" Score="2" Text="The problem with imgur for me is that the attention-distraction advertizements are also located there and thus I've usually a filter against this. So I'm thinking to return to the practice of putting my images on my own webspace so that at least for my own contributions and images I don't have to switch on/off my filters." CreationDate="2014-10-07T10:10:08.973" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="8766" PostId="1912" Score="0" Text="@GottfriedHelms: That's a good point. -- Hosting valuable content on an ad server is probably not a good choice." CreationDate="2014-10-07T10:18:23.687" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8717" PostId="1913" Score="1" Text="Thanks.  By the way, this is a good example of a graphic that I cannot see on my work computer, presumably because i.stack.imgur.com is not a &quot;trusted&quot; website.  I can see some other images, e.g., &quot;Light reflecting off Christmas tree balls.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-09-23T18:46:46.633" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="8718" PostId="1913" Score="4" Text="@TimothyChow: That's a new one to me, the trusted website issue. The reason you can see my Christmas tree balls is that image is stored on my college's website. You might consider loosening the security settings to permit i.stack.imgur.com, which is (frankly) more stable than my own website. And if you know of specific security risks, you should inform the StackExchange team." CreationDate="2014-09-23T19:45:19.910" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="8721" PostId="1913" Score="8" Text="You could have achieved the same effect by changing the provided URL to `http://i.stack.imgur.com/Srn9r.jpg?s=300`. This would also mean that browsers would have downloaded a smaller image, rather than downloading the big one and scaling down themselves." CreationDate="2014-09-23T22:16:05.820" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="8722" PostId="1913" Score="0" Text="Most browsers do support other image formats, but it varies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers#Image_format_support. The three you mention are indeed the most common." CreationDate="2014-09-23T22:21:00.500" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="8723" PostId="1913" Score="0" Text="@TRiG: Cool! I didn't know that option. Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-09-23T23:25:52.040" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="8725" PostId="1913" Score="1" Text="Well, 300 on your monitor may be different than 300 on mine." CreationDate="2014-09-25T19:01:44.563" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="22049" PostId="1913" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: Perhaps you should roll-back your second revision, &quot;Followed TRiG's advice&quot;, as it no longer appears to work. Alternatively, you can add an &quot;m&quot; suffix to reduce your (nearly) square 464x463 image to 320x320; see e.g. https://superuser.com/questions/1238552/how-to-resize-quickly-a-imgur-image." CreationDate="2020-04-29T20:55:47.850" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="8730" PostId="1914" Score="4" Text="As someone who doesn't know the dynamic Mordell-Lang conjecture from a bar of soap, if this is an exciting frontier of research, then it is worth explaining in a way suitable for a broader mathematical audience." CreationDate="2014-09-27T01:29:49.567" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="8731" PostId="1914" Score="0" Text="Especially if answers give reasons why we think this may be true, or the nub of the difficulties in approaching it, and interesting applications. For the cognoscenti, here's a relevant example of a paper http://arxiv.org/abs/1401.6659" CreationDate="2014-09-27T01:30:28.857" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="8732" PostId="1914" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts That is *exactly* the paper of interest -- Professor Ghioca was the one who I was lucky enough to speak with today!" CreationDate="2014-09-27T03:30:52.687" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="8733" PostId="1914" Score="1" Text="@David: I see that you are a strong advocate of liquid soap!" CreationDate="2014-09-27T05:17:01.863" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8734" PostId="1914" Score="6" Text="@DavidRoberts Your first comment is an absolutely true statement. However it only partially helps answering the question, which is ultimately whether this is a good question for MathOverflow. Is explaining frontier of research questions (be in Dynamical Mordell-Lang or something else) to a broader mathematical audience a good use of MathOverflow and does it fit the format? That is not so clear to me, as it can be a bit too broad and open ended." CreationDate="2014-09-27T13:13:35.497" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="8735" PostId="1914" Score="1" Text="@Felipe MO has been so used in the past by eg Tim Gowers (well, recent frontiers, rather than current). It would necessarily be tagged [soft-question], and so some I'm sure would frown on it." CreationDate="2014-09-28T00:51:19.490" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="8742" PostId="1914" Score="2" Text="Perhaps it would be worth editing this meta post to mention that the question is now on the main site: http://mathoverflow.net/q/182434/22971" CreationDate="2014-10-04T07:20:41.263" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="8737" PostId="1915" Score="30" Text="How is it not? It's a place to feel that you're working, even when you're just procrastinating!" CreationDate="2014-09-28T15:31:27.800" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8738" PostId="1915" Score="15" Text="I made an apple pie today from apples that I had picked myself. I had no particular reason for it, but, as always, I found a good justification here at MO for doing something I maybe shouldn't have done." CreationDate="2014-09-28T20:01:54.043" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8743" PostId="1915" Score="0" Text="I think celebrating the anniversary is off-topic. Meta is where users discuss bugs, features, and support issues that affect the software powering all 129 Stack Exchange communities. In [this page](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_Exchange) it has been explained how mathoverflow and other stackexchange sites are useful for their users." CreationDate="2014-10-04T10:43:32.373" UserId="47958" />
  <row Id="8744" PostId="1915" Score="16" Text="@user47958, such a celebration is indeed off-topic according to the rulebook, but in my opinion an occasional off-topic discussion promoting a warm atmosphere and a sense of togetherness is more than welcome. MathOverflow tries to be a community rather than just a Q&amp;A site, and I see no reason to change our direction in this respect." CreationDate="2014-10-04T11:54:53.660" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8746" PostId="1915" Score="4" Text="re meta there are both narrow and broad interpretations of on topic scope for meta, afaik there is no official narrow interpretation. it is expected that groups come to own consensus about use esp at mod discretion. re the question, MO is esp useful to those outside of academia eg working in industry who have serious mathematical research interests &amp; cannot participate directly but can indirectly through the wonders of cyberspace and &quot;open science&quot;. see also Nielsens book [Reinventing Discovery / Network science](http://www.amazon.com/Reinventing-Discovery-The-Networked-Science/dp/0691148902/)" CreationDate="2014-10-06T02:36:31.513" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="8747" PostId="1915" Score="10" Text="[&quot;Meta is for...&#xA;&#xA;...MathOverflow users to communicate with each other&quot;](http://mathoverflow.net/help/whats-meta) @user47958 - what that means is up to the folks here." CreationDate="2014-10-06T03:58:00.317" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="8748" PostId="1915" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: The rest of that part: &quot;asking questions about how the websites work, or about policies and community decisions.&quot;." CreationDate="2014-10-06T11:40:03.437" UserId="47958" />
  <row Id="8750" PostId="1915" Score="11" Text="...is not an exhaustive list, @user" CreationDate="2014-10-06T13:52:42.013" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="8751" PostId="1915" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 will it be good that many other questions be re-opened with such weak justifications?" CreationDate="2014-10-06T13:56:06.923" UserId="47958" />
  <row Id="8752" PostId="1915" Score="8" Text="@user47958: [Many](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/search?q=closed%3Ayes+duplicate%3Ano)? Note that the SE network is less than 5 years old and MO joined the network only recently. MO's traditions developed separately from the rest of the network and many are very different." CreationDate="2014-10-06T16:24:55.697" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8753" PostId="1915" Score="0" Text="If it was still separated probably there was no problem. But now this question is off-topic and inappropriate and should be closed." CreationDate="2014-10-06T16:27:04.530" UserId="47958" />
  <row Id="8754" PostId="1915" Score="11" Text="@user47958: No, but thanks for your concern." CreationDate="2014-10-06T16:28:58.397" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8755" PostId="1915" Score="4" Text="@user47958 Extended discussion about the on-topicness of a question in comments is not following  established best practices, as you should know. If you want to discuss the subject further you better create your own question." CreationDate="2014-10-06T16:57:19.870" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8756" PostId="1915" Score="0" Text="no not further. The rules are clear and no discussion is needed." CreationDate="2014-10-06T17:02:55.613" UserId="47958" />
  <row Id="8757" PostId="1915" Score="5" Text="@user47958 what exactly is your legitimacy for telling the MO community how they should use the meta part of their site ...? MO has a special contract with SE, and they are  therefore not obliged to embrace and adopt all SE policies, guidelines, rules, etc if they dont agree with them or consider them not useful. Please respect this. BTW congratulations and the best wishes to the 5th aniversary of MO from me too!" CreationDate="2014-10-06T17:52:23.467" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="8758" PostId="1915" Score="0" Text="The available links of rules are more clear than they  need any discussion. hidden contracts are not what users need to follow." CreationDate="2014-10-06T17:59:12.393" UserId="47958" />
  <row Id="8759" PostId="1915" Score="4" Text="@user47958 the special agreement between SE and MO is not hidden, you can for example find a link to the text of it in [this](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/970/30967) answer. The agreement is legally valid even in the &quot;real world&quot;, lawiers took part in the negotiations. If things go completely wrong (for example because people who do not respect the specific culture and standards of the MO community try to overtake the site ...), MO has even the right to leave the SE network. So I suggest to you to turn your the MO community patronizing tone a bit down ..." CreationDate="2014-10-06T18:12:36.993" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="8762" PostId="1915" Score="0" Text="that link is in google drive not in any se site while there is nothing about meta in it. I do not have MO community patronizing tone. Such celebration can be held in a chat room or in a separate blog instead. meta!" CreationDate="2014-10-06T21:29:34.337" UserId="47958" />
  <row Id="8763" PostId="1915" Score="16" Text="@user47958 We're celebrating it here. If you find that objectionable, don't view the post. It's that simple. Meta sites are for discussions surrounding the parent site and community, so it's up to the MO community to decide what they want to talk about here. They want to talk about the site turning 5, and you don't, and that's okay. We're getting to the point where this has been discussed enough - please let it drop." CreationDate="2014-10-07T04:24:08.937" UserId="35352" />
  <row Id="8764" PostId="1915" Score="9" Text="For the record to avoid the risk (not sure it exists) that somebody should get away with the idea we can have such threads only due to MO's &quot;special status.&quot; This is *not* the case. On math.SE for example there were considerably more such threads then we have here (while there was some pushback against them recently this did not come from SE) and MSE (the general meta site, and former meta of SO) is full of all kinds of celebration, fun and other material only tangentially related to the working of the main site. If anything meta.MO seems rather dry comprared to some other metas." CreationDate="2014-10-07T06:09:44.880" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8768" PostId="1915" Score="0" Text="please respect the rules the site has provided or change them to include celebration. Or re-open all closed questions if rules are not important." CreationDate="2014-10-07T11:54:57.607" UserId="47958" />
  <row Id="8858" PostId="1915" Score="3" Text="Ooooh ! Happy Belated Birthday dearest MO !!! I am very happy to come from time to time and read, sometimes, ask question and be read and answered, sometimes exchange ideas and insights. This is great, really. Today I will go to a working group in mathematics and bring something in honour of the Birthday ! Long life to MO !" CreationDate="2014-10-24T03:26:20.440" UserId="25256" />
  <row Id="8749" PostId="1916" Score="4" Text="As an industry guy I think you have expressed my own experience perfectly." CreationDate="2014-10-06T12:24:31.000" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="8770" PostId="1924" Score="1" Text="Probably makes more sense to ask your first question at meta.mse (or to search meta.mse for an answer, as it may have come up already). My impression is that if a question on m.se hasn't been answered in 24 hours then it has been buried so deep under the avalanche that it's fairly unlikely to be answered, ever. The 7-hour waiting period already is discouraged, in the sense that usually someone comes along to rap the offender's knuckles. The real problem (I think) is the folks who cross-post without telling anyone at either site." CreationDate="2014-10-09T04:38:48.803" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8771" PostId="1924" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure if the answer to your first question would be of much help. Most questions at MSE are simple homework. The hard questions for which MO might be an option are a minority, and what we need here is data on those questions only. I suppose the typical answering delay is much longer for the hardest MSE questions." CreationDate="2014-10-09T07:27:19.817" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8772" PostId="1924" Score="4" Text="Honestly, I feel that _all_ cross-posts should be discouraged. (SE itself strongly discourages any cross-posting.) Instead, users can flag their math.SE questions for migration to MO. (Right now there is no migration path from math.SE to MO, and so such migrations can only be made by math.SE moderators. With a joint moderator between the two sites this can be smooth, and we do look closely at each such flag, of which we receive about one or two each week.)" CreationDate="2014-10-09T08:50:03.997" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="8809" PostId="1924" Score="0" Text="Here are the response time statistics for math.se questions given that the answer took more than 6 hours. http://data.stackexchange.com/math/query/234500/average-answer-time I'm not sure what statistical model makes sense but the $1.65\sigma$ rule-of-thumb suggests a 4 month wait to ensure 5% error... Anyway, the query can be modified easily to get more relevant data." CreationDate="2014-10-14T16:31:22.587" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8820" PostId="1924" Score="0" Text="@ArthurFischer What is the claim that SE strongly discourages any form of cross posting based on?  If SE would actually have a &quot;each question only once in the network&quot; policy it seems they ought to have cross-site dupe closure as option, which they do not." CreationDate="2014-10-16T18:23:45.073" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8823" PostId="1924" Score="0" Text="@quid: Consider [this MSE post](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/64068/214632) that has been raised to (faq) status. It seems to have been accepted that some forms of cross-posting aren't necessarily bad (for example, and old unanswered question that can no longer be migrated), but these seem to be exceptional cases. (I believe that the data for different SE sites is stored in different databases, which would make searching for cross-posted questions more resource intensive. This would be one reason SE doesn't actively search for cross-site duplicates as they do in-site duplicates.)" CreationDate="2014-10-17T02:54:01.053" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="8827" PostId="1924" Score="0" Text="@ArthurFischer I mainly reacted on the &quot;any form&quot;; had you said &quot;most forms&quot; or something like it right away I likely would not have commented. But, also, the following is quite close to my opinion http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/16708/ I do not think it is *only* a technical issue, no tools for this are in place. For a well received on topic question I favor crosspost with links over migration; migration is deletion down the road (on source), we do not even delete on site dupes but leave them as signposts, why not have the crosssite &quot;dupes&quot; in the same spirit." CreationDate="2014-10-17T10:18:47.190" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8828" PostId="1924" Score="1" Text="@quid: On re-reading, my original language was too strong by half. (I've grown very accustomed to being able to edit comments whenever I want/need to!) On math.SE we get a fair number of questions which are crossposted within hours (if not minutes) to/from physics.SE, cs.SE, SO, and other sites without any mention that this has occurred. It frustrates me when this is eventually brought to my attention, and my comment incorporated too much of this frustration." CreationDate="2014-10-17T10:22:21.447" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="8773" PostId="1925" Score="4" Text="This might be silly but I don't get it: If you are not logged in, how have you been able to post this question as yourself?" CreationDate="2014-10-09T12:21:50.923" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8774" PostId="1925" Score="0" Text="Are you trying to log in to a different Stack Exchange site?  If you belong to one Stack Exchange site (like Mathoverflow) your name appears at the top bar if you visit it.  But if you go to a Stack Exchange site where you are not a user, then your name will not appear at the top bar.  Is this what you mean?" CreationDate="2014-10-09T13:03:43.377" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="8775" PostId="1925" Score="0" Text="@Jonas Limavarta MO meta functions, obviosly, and MO does not." CreationDate="2014-10-09T18:29:53.933" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="8776" PostId="1925" Score="0" Text="@ Joel Reyes Noche I do not quite understand your question. I mean what I say. I asked Stack exchange meta to merge two accounts on MO, and it was done. My philosophy and physics accounts work after that attendment, and my TEX/Latex and MO accounts I am no longer able to log in to." CreationDate="2014-10-09T18:33:47.477" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="8777" PostId="1925" Score="0" Text="What happens when I click on login is that a bubble on top of the page appears and says untruthfully, as it turns out, &quot;Welcome back Frode Bjørdal you are logged in / You are being redirected&quot;. I am then taken back to the page where I clicked log in at the top." CreationDate="2014-10-09T19:37:50.543" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="8778" PostId="1925" Score="0" Text="@ Joel Reyes Noche I now see that I stated my problem badly, so I attempted to be more exact now. Sorry, and thank you." CreationDate="2014-10-09T19:44:21.563" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="8788" PostId="1925" Score="1" Text="The problem now disappeared when switching from Mozilla Firefox to Google. I leave it to others to ponder why if it should be informative." CreationDate="2014-10-10T00:03:02.190" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="8789" PostId="1925" Score="0" Text="Did you try to clear cookies/cache of the browser where it did not work? For some reason something might haven been left in a corrupted stated." CreationDate="2014-10-10T08:53:42.307" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8791" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="searching &quot;delete account&quot; in the help center goes to http://stackoverflow.com/help/deleting-account" CreationDate="2014-10-10T14:57:36.400" UserDisplayName="Wooble" />
  <row Id="8792" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="There is no 'delete' button next to 'edit' in the community page. I do not want to delete Stackoverflow.com account." CreationDate="2014-10-10T14:59:05.973" UserDisplayName="niekas" />
  <row Id="8793" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="It's really hard to understand what you are asking. Which account *do* you want to delete?" CreationDate="2014-10-10T15:04:25.370" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="8794" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="Then keep reading the help page where it tells you to use the Contact form. (You should probably also be asking this on that site's Meta if you don't want to delete your Stack Overflow account...)" CreationDate="2014-10-10T15:04:44.073" UserDisplayName="Wooble" />
  <row Id="8795" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="@ChrisF I've joined mathoverflow.com community, I didn't now that this community is not for beginers (math.stackexchange.com is). I want to leave the mathoverflow.com community." CreationDate="2014-10-10T15:07:05.803" UserDisplayName="niekas" />
  <row Id="8796" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="@niekas- go to your profile on MathOverflow and there should be a &quot;delete&quot; button there." CreationDate="2014-10-10T15:07:52.823" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="8797" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="@Wooble I tried filling the Account deletion form 'What can we help you?' -&gt; 'I need to delete my user profile'. 'You profile link' -&gt; my mathoverflow.com user page and it frows an error, that the profile link is not valid." CreationDate="2014-10-10T15:10:15.500" UserDisplayName="niekas" />
  <row Id="8798" PostId="1927" Score="1" Text="I see you say it did not work but perhaps try it from here http://mathoverflow.net/help/deleting-account There might be a check sensistive to the origin of the click." CreationDate="2014-10-10T15:28:09.097" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8799" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="@quid Thank you." CreationDate="2014-10-10T15:30:06.613" UserDisplayName="user58547" />
  <row Id="8800" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="To follow up on the above: when I click that my MathOverflow profile page is given automatically. So if you clicked on the link given above which is for SO rather than MO and then tweaked it I can see how things might have gotten messed up. (You are welcome hope it helps)" CreationDate="2014-10-10T15:30:49.197" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8806" PostId="1929" Score="8" Text="If the user has only a few votes (where few is not public knowledge), then the votes are removed; if the user has voted, say, several thousand posts, then these votes are kept by transferring them to the Community user. Negative scored posts are deleted, and comments and non-negative posts are kept with the unlinkable &quot;userXXX&quot; identifier rather than the user name with a link to their profile." CreationDate="2014-10-11T01:37:23.583" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8807" PostId="1929" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @AsafKaragila!" CreationDate="2014-10-11T03:16:00.780" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="8810" PostId="1933" Score="0" Text="It's a bit old but here is one: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/22050/is-there-a-common-name-for-the-complement-of-a-metric-space-in-its-completion" CreationDate="2014-10-15T13:24:26.783" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="8811" PostId="1933" Score="0" Text="&quot;...  and ask if someone has seen it or has something to say about it&quot;: do you have in mind a reference request, or are you rather interested in people's opinions, or in hints on further directions of research people may give you, or where else is the focus of your question?" CreationDate="2014-10-15T13:27:34.467" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8812" PostId="1933" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, it is partially a reference request. I would like to know if my object and a related problem appear somewhere else. That would give more context for studying the problem and might also help find useful tools. But useful insight need not come in the form of references. At the moment the problem is merely an abstract generalization of something that has been studied in my field." CreationDate="2014-10-15T13:32:51.077" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8813" PostId="1933" Score="0" Text="On the face of it, it sounds fine to me. But it would help to know what the question is before being sure." CreationDate="2014-10-15T14:09:21.570" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8814" PostId="1933" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble, I added a short version of my planned question." CreationDate="2014-10-15T14:48:54.360" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8815" PostId="1933" Score="4" Text="I think this is a sophisticated and well-motivated question (or set of questions)." CreationDate="2014-10-15T23:14:38.920" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="8817" PostId="1933" Score="0" Text="In my viewer, the question content appears as one paragraph.  I think the content deserves three.  Also, I think more success will be had if you add something like &quot;as an analog to thm A in reference R, I have specific result or conjecture RC; Can anyone refer me to something resembling RC or a variant?&quot;  Here RC could be an affirmation of the points determined by geodesics for groups of prime power order, and is specific enough to get a response.  I feel your post needs something that concrete and specific." CreationDate="2014-10-16T05:12:33.460" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8818" PostId="1933" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger, the version above is not the final one. The full question is longer and provides more details, and will of course be split to several paragraphs. I will also give examples of specific groups that I am interested in. Thanks for reminding me that the question should be sufficiently concrete and specific -- it is easy to get carried away presenting everything in full generality." CreationDate="2014-10-16T07:24:38.943" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8835" PostId="1933" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta  according  to  your  statement &quot; A problem in the field of inverse problems asks whether a function on a closed manifold is uniquely determined by its integrals over all closed geodesics&quot;,  what  type of closed  manifolds   satisfy this  property, some  elementary examples?(Any way, I can learn a lot  from this your post and I think your Idea is  very interesting)" CreationDate="2014-10-20T09:58:43.683" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="8836" PostId="1933" Score="1" Text="@AliTaghavi, the property is satisfied eg. by Anosov manifolds and thus also by manifolds with negative sectional curvature. It is an open problem to study which other manifolds satisfy this. See the references in the paper I linked in my question." CreationDate="2014-10-20T11:12:01.413" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8816" PostId="1934" Score="3" Text="I checked, it wasn't yesterday!" CreationDate="2014-10-16T02:17:00.907" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8821" PostId="1934" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila, there is a relativistic phenomenon that suggests MO is very massive: If it feels that you've only spent a day at MO, you have actually spent four years according to external clocks." CreationDate="2014-10-16T21:39:10.353" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8822" PostId="1934" Score="1" Text="@Joonas: Were those clocks moving 90% the speed of light for a while? Because I have troubles believing those kind of clocks." CreationDate="2014-10-16T21:55:06.000" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8824" PostId="1934" Score="1" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta: Relativity to the rescue! good one!" CreationDate="2014-10-17T03:28:26.617" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="8825" PostId="1934" Score="2" Text="@Asaf: I think those clocks were stationary. It's just that MO is an exceptional astronomical object. Or in other words, on the verge of becoming a black hole..." CreationDate="2014-10-17T04:28:03.183" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8826" PostId="1934" Score="3" Text="@Joonas: On the verge? It's a wonder I still get work done. Wait..." CreationDate="2014-10-17T04:40:16.830" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8829" PostId="1936" Score="2" Text="That really depends on how the question is formulated.  Have you looked at http://mathoverflow.net/questions/38639/thinking-and-explaining ?" CreationDate="2014-10-19T11:51:49.000" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="8830" PostId="1936" Score="0" Text="Yes I have. Also found some other pages, but I could not find anything which helps me (Ill try to expand a bit on what is precisely my question)." CreationDate="2014-10-19T12:00:33.870" UserId="26923" />
  <row Id="8831" PostId="1936" Score="6" Text="I am pretty sure this question would be closed quickly as off-topic, if asked either here or at MSE." CreationDate="2014-10-19T12:39:23.773" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8832" PostId="1936" Score="3" Text="Keep in mind: opinion questions and discussion questions will likely be closed.  Now, if you ask whether there is published research on mathematicians' thought processes..." CreationDate="2014-10-19T13:34:39.853" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="8837" PostId="1936" Score="0" Text="Your question is too non-mathematical for MO.  As has been mentioned there are good MO questions about thought processes.  Bridging the gap between geometric thinking and formal textual thinking is a big one that many people struggle with that is a rich target, for example." CreationDate="2014-10-20T15:16:05.077" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="8838" PostId="1937" Score="3" Text="I will probably tomorrow post my question there. Thank you." CreationDate="2014-10-20T18:47:17.100" UserId="26923" />
  <row Id="8849" PostId="1937" Score="3" Text="I have tried to formulate a good question, and I have found that I do not have a concrete question I want to ask. Actually, the precise thing is that I am not sure what sort of an answer I would like to get. I think I might need to take more time to understand more precisely what are the problems I am trying to improve." CreationDate="2014-10-21T09:21:53.240" UserId="26923" />
  <row Id="8850" PostId="1937" Score="0" Text="Take your time. It is quite important that readers understand what would constitute an answer to your question and the possible answers could be useful to you. One way to go would be to describe the problem (once you have a decent description) and ask: &quot;What to do with students with this problem?&quot; Then you can try to apply the answers to yourself. If that doesn't work, I believe you would at least know more precisely what you need." CreationDate="2014-10-21T09:29:50.093" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8833" PostId="1938" Score="8" Text="People who want to improve their productivity should avoid SE sites like the plague. Also YouTube, social networks, and any of those sites that let you play childhood games in Flash form. DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!!! :-)" CreationDate="2014-10-20T05:59:36.150" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8839" PostId="1938" Score="0" Text="Thanks! This is also of interest to me." CreationDate="2014-10-20T18:49:19.930" UserId="26923" />
  <row Id="8968" PostId="1938" Score="0" Text="I am not familiar with SE nor stackexchange. Is SE = stackexchange ?" CreationDate="2014-11-02T05:21:32.973" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="8840" PostId="1939" Score="1" Text="Why are you interested in this particular series, and what kind of answer would you expect -- a numeric approximation, or what else?" CreationDate="2014-10-20T20:20:51.663" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8841" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl The three of these series come up in a proof I'm developing, though I'm afraid I don't have the means to work out them. And... well, I would need exact results, but I guess it's asking too much?" CreationDate="2014-10-20T20:26:15.763" UserId="57068" />
  <row Id="8842" PostId="1939" Score="5" Text="Taking an arbitrary convergent series, typically its value has no &quot;closed form expression&quot;. -- Do you know any reasons why for your series such expressions should exist?" CreationDate="2014-10-20T20:48:39.213" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8843" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl None besides being part of an expression (whose other terms I'm trying to find on my own) that gives a precise value. At worst, I would not refuse numeric approximations and proofs of rationality or irrationality of the values of the series." CreationDate="2014-10-20T21:07:06.300" UserId="57068" />
  <row Id="8844" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl So? Are they suitable for MO?" CreationDate="2014-10-21T03:20:48.753" UserId="57068" />
  <row Id="8845" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="The series looks kind of like Lambert series. So maybe you could ask if the series can be expressed in terms of named quantities like that. Did you try Wolframalpha.com?" CreationDate="2014-10-21T03:56:40.787" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="8846" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="@BjørnKjos-Hanssen Yes, and it doesn't even compute $\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{n}{2^n} - \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{n}{2^n+1}$. Or at least, it will take centuries. (The same goes for the series involving the Lerch transcendent, while the other, which is the subseries in the one displayed in the body of the question, does get computed, but only approximately, and as I said, I would need at least a proof of irrationality or rationality)" CreationDate="2014-10-21T04:27:02.817" UserId="57068" />
  <row Id="8847" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="@BjørnKjos-Hanssen Truthfully, W|A does compute the equivalent $\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{n}{2^n}-\frac{n}{2^n+1}$, but, I would need to do this infinitely many times (the software doesn't understand my infinite sum of infinite sums) and I would have no proof of the (ir)rationality of it." CreationDate="2014-10-21T05:42:59.750" UserId="57068" />
  <row Id="8848" PostId="1939" Score="4" Text="Your double series is convergent but not absolutely convergent, so you have to be careful with your manipulations. Asking for the exact value or rationality of a difficult series might be too difficult (as such things are generally unknown), but if you are willing to accept estimates, you might get an answer. &quot;Too hard for MSE&quot; can mean &quot;impossible&quot; instead of &quot;interesting for MO&quot;." CreationDate="2014-10-21T08:36:04.990" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8851" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="@JonasIlmavirta  I see. I am willing To accept estimates, but the proof of (ir)rationality of the values is something I need. Over all, will my questions be downvoted on MO?" CreationDate="2014-10-21T09:54:14.807" UserId="57068" />
  <row Id="8852" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="Depends on how you pose your questions. It's hard to tell unless you can give an example of a complete question here (assuming it's not very long). I don't know how I would vote myself without an explicit example. Remark: The @ notification system in comments works only if you spell the name correctly. (I'm not upset by misspelling my name. It just doesn't work, that's all. And it _is_ possible to misspell it into something rude in Finnish...)" CreationDate="2014-10-21T10:35:12.053" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8853" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Apologies for the misspelling, it is due to using a brand new mobile whose automatic correction truly is a pain in the neck (And I'm Italian). As to the questions... are those on MSE not a good example? I was planning to post exactly them to MO, in a week." CreationDate="2014-10-21T11:29:55.683" UserId="57068" />
  <row Id="8854" PostId="1939" Score="1" Text="Ah, yes, your MSE questions are a good example. Personally, I would probably not vote in either direction. (Since I'm not strongly against such questions.) The questions are not bad, but they seem disconnected from any research problem and I see no reason to believe that anyone could answer them. But I'm not the greatest expert on series, so don't rely on my word too much. Someone else might consider them off-topic. Remember: If you ask, make it clear what you want to know about the series and what would be a useful answer." CreationDate="2014-10-21T13:12:04.927" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8855" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Will do. Thank you." CreationDate="2014-10-21T14:33:51.920" UserId="57068" />
  <row Id="8856" PostId="1939" Score="8" Text="There would be less chance of having the question closed if you explain better what the real purpose or motivation of the question is. And it may be that the thing you are really after could be approached in a way different from the need to compute the exact value of certain series which might well be impossible to evaluate." CreationDate="2014-10-22T13:23:06.880" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8857" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Perhaps, yeah. Anyway I think I have found the best possible answers already on MSE." CreationDate="2014-10-22T17:39:39.013" UserId="57068" />
  <row Id="8859" PostId="1939" Score="2" Text="Why are you guys all just solving the question in comments on meta.MO. Shouldn't you just go answer it somewhere?" CreationDate="2014-10-24T09:15:55.263" UserId="50384" />
  <row Id="8861" PostId="1941" Score="5" Text="I think you are right -- it would be helpful if people were to give their honest criticisms. It might be that the question has easy answers (in the form of not mere conjectures but also known facts) and thus is too broad or unconstrained. Maybe if you were to put constraints on $f$ and indicate why you think a specific result is true (perhaps by adducing empirical evidence or other research effort), the question would get a better reception." CreationDate="2014-10-25T20:06:01.590" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8864" PostId="1941" Score="0" Text="Can you confirm that you are the author of the paper you linked to? (This wasn't clear from the wording of your question)" CreationDate="2014-10-26T03:53:20.217" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8867" PostId="1941" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi: No. I am not the author of the paper. [This user](http://math.stackexchange.com/users/153012/user153012) gave the link in his answer to one of my question." CreationDate="2014-10-26T12:13:53.653" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="8868" PostId="1942" Score="2" Text="Presumably the same person has posted also a lot of other junk, so it doesn't seem this is targeted at you. I think this would be a case for blocking the offender's IP number(s). By the way, downvoting requires 125 points -- see http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges." CreationDate="2014-10-26T20:08:01.270" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8869" PostId="1942" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl OK thanks - I wondered if something could be done on the IP front. What would you say is best to do in the meantime - just leave it if (when!) it happens again?" CreationDate="2014-10-26T20:09:30.933" UserId="45057" />
  <row Id="8870" PostId="1942" Score="1" Text="I think this would be something to decide for the moderators or the SE staff." CreationDate="2014-10-26T20:10:55.353" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8871" PostId="1942" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl OK thanks." CreationDate="2014-10-26T20:11:52.033" UserId="45057" />
  <row Id="8872" PostId="1942" Score="2" Text="If a crank wants to continue &quot;contributing&quot; to MO, they will probably find their way back. And if they don't, a colleague will. Although there will be a more or less constant flux of cranks, there is a good chance that they will no longer find your question when it gets old enough. If they don't, the question can be protected. I strongly believe that the junk is not targeted at you but at questions related to a famous open problem." CreationDate="2014-10-26T21:10:55.437" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8873" PostId="1942" Score="2" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Yes, I will certainly think twice about tagging a question &quot;Riemann Zeta Function&quot; in future!" CreationDate="2014-10-26T21:17:22.977" UserId="45057" />
  <row Id="8877" PostId="1942" Score="2" Text="On your side question: new users cannot vote at all (needs 15 points), and for downvoting one need 125 points even see http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges Furthermore, unregistered users cannot vote either (not sure they were unregistered but it is not rarely the case for such type of users)." CreationDate="2014-10-26T21:55:02.513" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8878" PostId="1942" Score="0" Text="@quid ok - at least that gives a little peace of mind then!" CreationDate="2014-10-26T22:30:57.237" UserId="45057" />
  <row Id="9008" PostId="1942" Score="0" Text="The link under “same answer” rotted. Explicate the problem, please." CreationDate="2014-11-07T10:50:04.390" UserId="56921" />
  <row Id="9010" PostId="1942" Score="0" Text="@IncnisMrsi please see update" CreationDate="2014-11-07T11:39:54.463" UserId="45057" />
  <row Id="8874" PostId="1943" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the action you took! As I said to JoonasI lmavirta above, I will certainly think twice about tagging a question &quot;Riemann Zeta Function&quot; in future!" CreationDate="2014-10-26T21:20:27.807" UserId="45057" />
  <row Id="8875" PostId="1943" Score="14" Text="@martin You shouldn't have to worry about using the venerable name Riemann, which should be open to all responsible users. Please feel free to flag to place a question under protection if you find you accidentally attracted the attention of a spammer." CreationDate="2014-10-26T21:23:37.777" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8876" PostId="1943" Score="0" Text="OK thanks for your help - will do." CreationDate="2014-10-26T21:25:26.767" UserId="45057" />
  <row Id="8881" PostId="1943" Score="5" Text="Since the moderators are already closely watching this user, I wonder if flagging his posts on sight is actually useful, or if I’m just adding to your workload?" CreationDate="2014-10-27T12:33:42.927" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8882" PostId="1943" Score="13" Text="@EmilJeřábek No, you are absolutely not adding to the workload; all such flags are very useful to us. The vast majority of flags I process are deemed 'helpful'." CreationDate="2014-10-27T13:11:08.713" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9068" PostId="1943" Score="0" Text="@Todd, you may want o contact SE, they might be able to blacklist the user." CreationDate="2014-11-15T08:08:01.447" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="9070" PostId="1943" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh They all know all about him, and they have their methods." CreationDate="2014-11-15T11:35:42.253" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9523" PostId="1943" Score="8" Text="@ToddTrimble, if you want no one to even comment at his posts, you should make this announcement more visible at meta. A new post with a title about such a request might work better than this one, and it would be easy to bump it to remind people when the user returns." CreationDate="2014-12-22T18:57:27.727" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9524" PostId="1943" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Thanks; I've already been considering doing that." CreationDate="2014-12-22T18:59:44.727" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18790" PostId="1943" Score="0" Text="&quot;RH, the Goldbach conjecture, the abc conjecture, and sometimes primality testing&quot;-What about reversible and quantum computing?" CreationDate="2019-04-08T11:42:37.880" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="8883" PostId="1945" Score="12" Text="It's like a Bat signal. For math. *puts a bunch of gravel in his mouth, and dons a cape* &quot;BECAUSE I'M MATHMAN!&quot;" CreationDate="2014-10-27T13:38:16.207" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8909" PostId="1945" Score="2" Text="My opinion is that it is better just to migrate such questions to MO. It is a pity that math.SE is not more amenable to this obvious solution. Treating such a very small fragment of the math.SE questions differently will have essentially no affect on the quality of questions there, especially since these particular questions in question are ignored there or at least not answered as well as they might be anyway." CreationDate="2014-10-29T03:16:38.683" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="8910" PostId="1945" Score="2" Text="@Joel: Unfortunately, that option was met with fierce opposition when it was raised all that time ago. (And both arguments had some good points, I might add.)" CreationDate="2014-10-29T07:40:17.417" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8914" PostId="1945" Score="3" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins what do you mean *exactly* by &quot;to just migrate&quot;? The point I want to get at is that with the proposed set up it should be a non-issue for say me pointing out a question of somebody on math.SE that is unanswered and seems interesting. However, me flagging or voting for migration without OP's consent seems quite a strange thing to do. Would you (consider it appropriate to) do this?  Furthermore, there are also question that might profit from the exposure here while in fact not being suitable for MO. In brief, the proposal offers some flexibility that &quot;just migrate&quot; does not." CreationDate="2014-10-29T13:46:14.527" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8918" PostId="1945" Score="2" Text="@Joel, I guess for  me the main thing is &quot;Who decides?&quot; either way. Having, mostly, descended into the depths myself, I don't want a lot of the idiots on MSE pushing their questions to MO. Matt Emerton and Pete Clark have given up on both sites, if one of them said &quot;this is a good MO question&quot; it would be fine; David Speyer still does MSE, same comment, but i don't see him putting in much time deciding migration. There are some strong people on MSE, at least I think so, but it is hard to tell when people are anonymous." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:13:44.847" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="8920" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="@Will: I am pretty sure that Pete's profile says he was on MSE in the last hour, and the activity shows he posts answers. He was on MO within the last week as well. Not sure that's &quot;giving up&quot;." CreationDate="2014-10-30T03:03:01.793" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8921" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, I guess I mixed Pete and Matt together too much. Also, I have a cold." CreationDate="2014-10-30T04:01:01.603" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="8924" PostId="1945" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Yes I understood that. But this is not what I asked about. Obviously questions can be migrated. *But* for this they normally must be off-topic where they are (see 1. in OP). But the questions we are talking about here *are ontopic* on math.SE. What should be the criteria to decide which on-topic question from math.SE are migrated to MO? In my mind it can't be simply somebody thinks they'd like it better if it were on MO. If OP asks it might be already, but my question: is it really justified I flag a question on math.SE for migration because I think it would be better on MO?" CreationDate="2014-10-30T11:56:50.967" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8926" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="This is completely different to the other direction. The decision process MO -&gt; math.SE is: offtopic yes/no if yes ontopic on math.SE yes/no if yes vtc + migrate if no only vtc.  This does not work at all in the other direction, except if the math.SE ontopic would be changed to excluded higher-level questions. One might entertain that idea, and I would not have a particular issue with it. But I can see why it would be an issue for some, and find it quite reasonable it is one for them. Even SE might mind. MO is sort of separate. Why'd they let it soack up the good content from their mathsite." CreationDate="2014-10-30T12:02:43.133" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8985" PostId="1945" Score="1" Text="My opinion is that it would be a better system for the mathematics community generally if advanced math questions were typically to be found on MO, rather than lost on MSE, and it is a pity there isn't more support on MSE for a policy of migrating such questions from MSE to MO, where they would find a welcome home. In particular, it is part of my opinion that such questions are not really on-topic on MSE, and I discourage people from asking advanced questions on MSE in place of MO." CreationDate="2014-11-04T01:05:16.277" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9011" PostId="1945" Score="1" Text="I think that if someone had something to say about that, nearly two weeks is enough. Support seems almost unanimous. When is the thread going live?" CreationDate="2014-11-07T18:49:19.480" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9014" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="@Asaf I just came here to say the same. The only thing that is sort of missing is an MO moderator saying something. Maybe we should &quot;flag one down&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-11-08T20:55:08.950" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9015" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="@quid: I'm sure the moderators have seen that; but feel free to flag for their attention. It seems reasonable to wait for an OK from middle management before moving in with developing a new piece of software (that might bring the end of the Earth)." CreationDate="2014-11-08T20:56:47.763" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9016" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: ['Tis live.](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1967/13653) The middle management could make it disappear pretty quickly if they so desired." CreationDate="2014-11-08T21:13:13.670" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="9017" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="@quid: See above. Additionally, I have requested that it be protected. I think that was a good idea you had." CreationDate="2014-11-08T21:14:34.710" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="9018" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="Arthur: Wunderbar, as they might say in your office. Or in your advisor's office. Or in your other advisor's office. Etc. etc." CreationDate="2014-11-08T21:15:05.400" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9023" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="Is it necessary to express one's happiness in German now? Okay  if at @Asaf think so. Leiwand!" CreationDate="2014-11-09T00:08:07.610" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9024" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="@quid: It's sort of a personal joke with Arthur. But the more the merrier. :-P" CreationDate="2014-11-09T03:48:51.207" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9025" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="@Asaf Grossartig!" CreationDate="2014-11-09T13:21:09.590" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8884" PostId="1946" Score="6" Text="This would be  misuse of tags that should be avoided." CreationDate="2014-10-27T16:08:27.013" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8885" PostId="1946" Score="1" Text="@quid Interesting.  Is it a misuse because of the suggested tag name?  Or is it a misuse to classify things  by level of difficulty?" CreationDate="2014-10-27T16:24:00.933" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8886" PostId="1946" Score="8" Text="This would be a meta-tag (it doesn't give any information about the _subject_ of the question), the use of which is quite discouraged across the SE network." CreationDate="2014-10-27T17:16:17.917" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="8887" PostId="1946" Score="1" Text="The later, as Arthur Fischer explains." CreationDate="2014-10-27T17:40:14.653" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8896" PostId="1946" Score="1" Text="Discouraged they may be, but meta-tags are alive and well, on MO and on m.se, and (in moderation, and not to the exclusion of subject tags) quite useful." CreationDate="2014-10-28T01:32:41.683" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="8898" PostId="1946" Score="2" Text="@Gerry: Perhaps tag your last comment with [soft-comment]? :-)" CreationDate="2014-10-28T05:46:46.757" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8899" PostId="1946" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson there may be still some meta tags around, but on the one hand there is some effort to get rid of them, and on the other hand the proposed one is really on the bad end as it is supposed to indicate level/difficulty/interest This is completely against the intent of the tags, much more so than say reference-request to name a prominent meta tag. If one wants such an indicator one could ask for it a separate feature. Indeed I think this was done, likely more than once, and declined. In fact I have a vague recollection there even was the specific idea tossed around on MSE (then MSO)" CreationDate="2014-10-28T07:20:56.823" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8900" PostId="1946" Score="1" Text="to have some feature for extending a question to other sites which would be exactly what is the intent here. Anyway, if one wants features for indicating level and/or suitability for another site one should ask for them. To use tags for this would be a terrible hack and create all kinds of odd side-effects. To name just one example: what to do with things tagged impropertly (in the general opinion) with this tag? Untag or leave it? Who decides? How? There is no structure in place and each change bumps. Let the edit wars begin... :-)  @GerryMyerson" CreationDate="2014-10-28T07:21:16.127" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8904" PostId="1946" Score="1" Text="My (likely faulty) impression is that there are tags only moderators or trusted users can apply, and everyone else can only request.  The overflow tag (you can change the name later) would be used as a moderator tool to improve the MSE site.  If you don't want MSE moderators mucking about on MO meta, have them post a  list and  update it on MSE meta and announce its existence on MO.meta." CreationDate="2014-10-28T19:14:24.520" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8907" PostId="1946" Score="0" Text="There are mod only tags (only) on *meta* (the red ones, like status-[something] and featured). I mm afraid I do not really understand the second part of your comment." CreationDate="2014-10-28T22:08:08.820" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8977" PostId="1946" Score="1" Text="I suggest a moderator-inserted meta-tag, **Herculean**, to indicate that a smart/tough solution is needed. This meta-tag would be available on MO and math.SE for anyone to select just as she would select her favorites. Perhaps, a script similar to _interesting_ could become available to allow book-marking these searches." CreationDate="2014-11-03T10:29:59.150" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="8889" PostId="1947" Score="1" Text="What is your exact question here? The question in the title and the one below it seem quite different, and I'm not sure what you want to know. The fact that your question was closed suggests that the answer to the second question is &quot;yes&quot;." CreationDate="2014-10-27T20:15:56.880" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8890" PostId="1947" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta it depends on the opinion of  various  participants not  just 5 people who voted to close. My question is  that &quot;is  not  a  good idea to reopen this question?" CreationDate="2014-10-27T20:19:53.213" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="8891" PostId="1947" Score="1" Text="I see. I suggest editing that to the body of your question, so that it is clear what kind of answers you are looking for. Asking whether or not a closed question is worth reopening sounds reasonable to me, but I first thought you meant something else." CreationDate="2014-10-27T20:26:01.333" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="8892" PostId="1947" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta I also add that, according to  some comments to this  question which count this  question as  an exercise Iwould like to ask &quot;was it realy  a simple exercise?" CreationDate="2014-10-27T20:26:19.003" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="8893" PostId="1947" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Now I  understand what you mean. thanks" CreationDate="2014-10-27T20:27:48.047" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="8894" PostId="1947" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta I edited it. thanks  again." CreationDate="2014-10-27T20:30:34.040" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="8905" PostId="1948" Score="4" Text="Even better (in my mind): a one-time MO.meta pointer to an MSE maintained list on MSE.meta. (See related comment on my answer.)" CreationDate="2014-10-28T19:21:59.380" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8895" PostId="1949" Score="7" Text="Well -- I think this depends on the particular case. Posting a new question just because one has forgotten to exclude some trivial case seems not reasonable to me -- in that case I think it is best to fix the question and the commenter who has highlighted the omission removes their now outdated comment." CreationDate="2014-10-27T23:38:11.787" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8897" PostId="1949" Score="0" Text="I think the record of the process should be made visible, with acknowledgment of refining comments.  Even if the first question was poor, it often is what occurs in initial approaches to a topic; the refining comments help steer a newcomer in the right direction, especially when the newcomer has arrived late to the party." CreationDate="2014-10-28T04:57:08.223" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8911" PostId="1951" Score="2" Text="I think protecting the thread would be a good idea, even right after creation. It would require people have some (albeit pretty minimal) experience with MO before posting an answer." CreationDate="2014-10-29T10:08:15.950" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="9386" PostId="1951" Score="0" Text="I would like to see a single post with a growing list of links to the interesting math.SE questions straight on OM (not meta). It'd be a thread which would have exactly one post, there would be no answers on MO. A special editorial board (4-5 people) would be in charge of the list. Anybody could propose a math.SE q. to the board by email. The option of writing to the board would be adequately advertised." CreationDate="2014-12-14T05:54:19.880" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="8923" PostId="1952" Score="11" Text="Thank-you for asking _this_ question here before asking _that_ question on the main site." CreationDate="2014-10-30T08:33:15.920" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="8925" PostId="1953" Score="7" Text="+1. MO is a question-answer forum.  It is not a discussion forum.  It is not an opinion forum." CreationDate="2014-10-30T11:57:01.557" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="8928" PostId="1954" Score="5" Text="I don't see what's wrong with this question for MO, although I haven't thought hard about it. Perhaps one or more of the closers could explain." CreationDate="2014-10-30T19:35:03.677" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8929" PostId="1954" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Thank you for your support." CreationDate="2014-10-30T20:25:30.557" UserId="37006" />
  <row Id="8931" PostId="1954" Score="30" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks for speaking up. My own feeling is that one should only vote to close based on one's personal belief about the question, independently of others (not seeing a reason to disagree being not the same as agreeing)." CreationDate="2014-10-30T21:56:09.543" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8932" PostId="1954" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks for your honesty. If your viewpoint stands for most people here on MO, I am really disappointed." CreationDate="2014-10-30T21:56:23.077" UserId="37006" />
  <row Id="8933" PostId="1954" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble: My impression is that only a pretty low percentage of the questions which get closed on MO are closed in error (it takes five votes to close a question, and anybody may post a comment pointing out that the question is suitable for MO, and be it only &quot;why the close votes?&quot;) -- and if a question is closed, it may still be reopened. I think if people would cast close votes only when they are *absolutely sure* that there is nothing good in a question, it would probably be notably more difficult to keep the site on-topic." CreationDate="2014-10-30T22:17:35.713" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8934" PostId="1954" Score="4" Text="I didn't vote on that question. FWIW, I used to follow roughly the same practice as @StefanKohl, but for about a year now (if not longer) I've followed the practice described in Todd's comment." CreationDate="2014-10-30T22:26:27.420" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8935" PostId="1954" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl &quot;My impression is that only a pretty low percentage of the questions which get closed on MO are closed in error&quot; -- I think I agree with that. &quot;I think if people would cast close votes only when they are absolutely sure that there is nothing good in a question, it would probably be notably more difficult to keep the site on-topic.&quot; -- I think I (somewhat) disagree with that. But perhaps it would be best if we didn't pursue these generalities here and now, but simply focus on the question at hand, whether it was right to close this particular question." CreationDate="2014-10-30T23:19:02.007" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8939" PostId="1954" Score="28" Text="The point is not to be absolutely sure, but to use your own judgement. If people are copying the opinion of other close voters, it effectively lowers the threshold from five votes to one." CreationDate="2014-10-31T11:05:49.333" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="8945" PostId="1954" Score="3" Text="I voted to close because I thought MSE is the right forum for the question, and it already exists there.  I commented on that thread but I've been distracted by other things the last few days so I haven't returned to it." CreationDate="2014-10-31T20:50:18.503" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="8947" PostId="1954" Score="0" Text="@RyanBudney I had discussed with you about it and I have removed the post from MSE under your suggestion. And you removed your comments too after that. So I was under the (obviously wrong) impression that the issue you held is solved. At least you should let people know the whole story, not to create misunderstanding again." CreationDate="2014-10-31T22:34:03.903" UserId="37006" />
  <row Id="8948" PostId="1954" Score="0" Text="Could you give me a link to your deleted thread?  I'm confused as to what happened.  I don't remember what you're talking about but the past few weeks have been hectic for me so maybe I've just forgotten.  When I look at my history at MSE I can't find that old thread.  The address might be in one of my browser histories, but that might take some time to find." CreationDate="2014-10-31T22:38:06.047" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="8949" PostId="1954" Score="0" Text="@RyanBudney Sorry, I don't know how to find it. Once it is deleted, it cannot be found in my activity history." CreationDate="2014-10-31T23:23:52.657" UserId="37006" />
  <row Id="8964" PostId="1954" Score="5" Text="Well, the question was sitting at MSE unanswered for two months and the migrated version is just sitting there now. Meanwhile I haven't heard any compelling reason for why the question is *wrong* for MO. (Troy should have said when he first posted at MO that it was already at MSE but was unanswered for a long time; crossposting is especially frowned upon when it goes unmentioned.) Is there some easy solution to the problem that makes it somehow inappropriate for MO? At this point I have my doubts, and think that Troy might try asking at MO again, pointing to this meta thread." CreationDate="2014-11-01T19:37:01.103" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8965" PostId="1954" Score="0" Text="However, this last suggestion is for now made with my moderator's cap off. I would still very much like to hear from others if this question is considered not on-topic for MO." CreationDate="2014-11-01T19:43:28.810" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8966" PostId="1954" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Thank you for your kindness and support. I will improve my question and try again later (I will try my mathematician collaborator first...getting help from here is so difficult...)." CreationDate="2014-11-01T22:01:34.680" UserId="37006" />
  <row Id="8967" PostId="1954" Score="0" Text="Ultimately it's a pretty basic linear-algebra question in disguise.  I suspect the main reason why it does not have a response is that it isn't easy to get enthusiastic about non-commutative power series manipulations." CreationDate="2014-11-02T04:14:17.520" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="8970" PostId="1954" Score="0" Text="@RyanBudney I use the lie-gp lie-alg tag for a reason. The question is related to certain Lie triple systems $\mathfrak m$ in $\mathfrak{gl}_{\mathbb R}(n)$ where $[\mathfrak m,\mathfrak m]\cap\mathfrak m=0$. The product of exponentials I showed in my post are meant to generate some symmetric spaces. I didn't say it because I suspect there are ways to do it in general. As you said, I find it difficult to manipulate power series using Dynkin formula, this is why I turn to MO for professional suggestions. Thank you for letting me know it is &quot;pretty basic linear-algebra&quot;." CreationDate="2014-11-02T12:58:49.320" UserId="37006" />
  <row Id="8999" PostId="1954" Score="4" Text="@RyanBudney I'm sorry, but I really fail to see how your last comment is constructive. If it's &quot;pretty basic&quot;, then perhaps you could show Troy Woo the light at MSE, perhaps with a few well-chosen hints? On the other hand, just because you yourself can't muster enthusiasm for it doesn't strike me as a good reason for closure at MO. I have to say that I'm a little skeptical that the problem is as easy as you seem to be implying here, but if you can't be bothered to explain, is there some good reason why someone else at MO shouldn't take a crack at it?" CreationDate="2014-11-06T02:19:08.403" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9000" PostId="1954" Score="2" Text="The question probably attracted downvotes because you didn't elaborate your thinking on the question." CreationDate="2014-11-06T17:09:56.510" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="9001" PostId="1954" Score="0" Text="@user170039 Thanks for your suggestion. I will elaborate more. The reason that I didn't is that I thought it might have a general solution, which does not necessarily have anything to do with LTS or the nice property about canonical embedding." CreationDate="2014-11-06T17:21:08.243" UserId="37006" />
  <row Id="9067" PostId="1954" Score="1" Text="You normally get much more positive feedback when you explain why you are interested in the question, what you have tried, what are the obstacles, etc. as if you are explaining it to a colleague. MOers are typically more sympathetic to questions when authors demonstrate their own effort to find a solution themselves." CreationDate="2014-11-15T08:01:51.653" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="8937" PostId="1955" Score="22" Text="Ant specialists are called myrmecologists." CreationDate="2014-10-31T03:40:09.443" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="21839" PostId="1955" Score="1" Text="I find it somewhat depressing that 5 years later, when I’m again looking for a collaborator, there are still no avenues other than cold-calling — where’s the &quot;Tinder (Academic Edition)&quot;? — and the top hit on my web search for “how to find a mathematical collaborator” is this MOmeta thread…" CreationDate="2020-04-09T00:52:51.277" UserId="19844" />
  <row Id="8936" PostId="1956" Score="4" Text="I suspect you have not read Kieren's bio (a link is in his profile). If you have, my apologies" CreationDate="2014-10-31T00:49:08.170" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8938" PostId="1956" Score="2" Text="I don't mean to suggest that Kieran is not an expert, nor that he (gender assumption) has not already tried some of the suggestions; apologies to him if it comes across poorly.  For future readers, I stand by the suggestions: I don't expect to see a mathematical match.com anytime soon, nor a specific site of the kind desired in the question." CreationDate="2014-10-31T04:15:35.237" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8942" PostId="1956" Score="2" Text="For the record, I am not an expert, and I am indeed male.&#xA;&#xA;I am, however, almost certainly unlikely to do any of the things suggested. Not because they are bad suggestions — they're quite good — but because my primary vocation (composer), secondary vocation (music director), tertiary vocation (educator), and quaternary vocation (computer programmer), along with my duties as a father, leave me very little time to &quot;become an expert&quot; in _any_ field of math.&#xA;&#xA;Until there is a mathematch.org, I guess I'll just have to research and approach mathematicians individually." CreationDate="2014-10-31T14:06:06.693" UserId="19844" />
  <row Id="8943" PostId="1956" Score="1" Text="@KierenMacMillan understood (I knew all this having followed the link in your profile), and this is what I was trying to hint at in my first comment" CreationDate="2014-10-31T14:16:17.690" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8944" PostId="1956" Score="0" Text="Do as you will.  In my view, both H. S. M. Coxeter and Marjorie Rice are experts.  In the unlikely event you need further inspiration, check out Wikipedia's list of amateur mathematicians.  If you post a link to your idea on your user page, I'll check it out. (Not an ANT.)" CreationDate="2014-10-31T16:54:05.513" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8950" PostId="1956" Score="1" Text="Rice is nearly 100, and Coxeter died (right here in Toronto!) over a decade ago. I'll look around for other possible collaborators." CreationDate="2014-11-01T02:00:51.887" UserId="19844" />
  <row Id="8952" PostId="1956" Score="0" Text="Oh, you want younger,  more lively people to be experts and collaborators?  I guess if they collaborate with you, you get to be as  choosy as you want.  I had suggested those two as experts in certain fields in geometry, not as potential ANT collaborators.  But who knows? ..." CreationDate="2014-11-01T03:36:45.623" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9030" PostId="1956" Score="2" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger: I'm definitely hoping anyone I end up collaborating with is still alive. Otherwise, communication would be… difficult." CreationDate="2014-11-10T12:29:26.537" UserId="19844" />
  <row Id="9069" PostId="1956" Score="0" Text="Just an idea but it would be quite useful to have something like [careers](http://careers.stackoverflow.com/) for working and collaborating on math problems." CreationDate="2014-11-15T08:20:19.920" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="8946" PostId="1957" Score="8" Text="I personally would be opposed to a question of the second form on MO." CreationDate="2014-10-31T21:06:58.650" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="8953" PostId="1958" Score="4" Text="Discrete, or discreet?" CreationDate="2014-11-01T04:35:13.263" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="8954" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="Thank you, @YemonChoi (too much topology can cause havoc). I'll correct it in a moment." CreationDate="2014-11-01T04:42:37.843" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="8955" PostId="1958" Score="2" Text="@Yemon: If you edit discreetly, you can choose neighborhoods small enough, so that nobody notices the edit. So it's discrete. On the other hand, I think that in general discreet would correspond to something like meager, or null, or both. Maybe &quot;Universally null set&quot;, in some sense." CreationDate="2014-11-01T09:11:45.347" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8957" PostId="1958" Score="14" Text="The point of displaying the information is not as an honor for the editor but so it is clear who is to be held responsible if there is an issue! Assume your responsibility as an editor and do not look for ways out of it. :-)" CreationDate="2014-11-01T12:05:10.777" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8959" PostId="1958" Score="5" Text="An interesting aspect, not mentioned earlier is the case of potentially low quality questions. They are often formatted poorly, and I don't want my name on that question unless i am sure that it is MO level. So I won't fix the formatting. Although sometimes the question is appropriate to MO and it would be beneficial to fix the formatting." CreationDate="2014-11-01T14:37:26.657" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="8960" PostId="1958" Score="1" Text="@Daniel: If something is unfit for MO, flag it as low quality, or vote for its closure." CreationDate="2014-11-01T17:48:27.770" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8961" PostId="1958" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila Sometimes I am sure that the question has a formatting problem, but I am not able to determine whether it has any content problems. :-)" CreationDate="2014-11-01T18:01:55.723" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="8962" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="@Daniel: Either bite the bullet, or wait until you see some response that indicates that the question is fit for the site." CreationDate="2014-11-01T18:02:40.047" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="8963" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila This is my current strategy. My point was that it would change (in a good way) if the bullet biting part would not include my name on a random question." CreationDate="2014-11-01T18:05:44.720" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="8972" PostId="1958" Score="1" Text="I am hesitant to edit posts for a version of the reason Włodzimierz identifies: I don't want to displace the author's name on the front page. I couldn't bring myself to correct Bill Thurston's typos for this reason. I did edit a [Gower's post](http://mathoverflow.net/q/53471/6094), but early enough that I was fairly certain my name would be displaced (and it was)." CreationDate="2014-11-03T00:46:23.823" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="8973" PostId="1958" Score="1" Text="**To add insult to injury**--say that a user E did a good job on editing user A's question or answer. User E would be happy to stay quietly in the background. But now a user F adds their **trivial** modification. Now F's name is in front of author A's name, now F is getting the whole credit for the editorial progress. O-la-la-la..." CreationDate="2014-11-03T05:36:27.357" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="8974" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="How does one get an access to the history of an MO post (like in wikipedia)?" CreationDate="2014-11-03T05:38:47.560" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="8975" PostId="1958" Score="3" Text="To get access to the history you can click on the link in the center (that you dislike so much :-)) Absent such a link there is typically not that much history but sometimes there is a little (close/open absent edits can for instance create such a scenario) A direct link is http://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/1958/revisions (without the &quot;meta&quot; if it is on main, and the number is the post id) There is also http://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/1958/timeline but this is sort of an experimental/hidden feature." CreationDate="2014-11-03T07:10:51.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8976" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="Thank you, @quid. Let me study this stuff :-)" CreationDate="2014-11-03T07:22:07.937" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="8978" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke I do not fully understand &quot;I don't want to displace the author's name on the front page.&quot; I can see the point immediately after the question got asked first (a couple of hours), but later on what do you displace. If you do not edit it the post is somewhere waydown in the active list and basically invisible from there. [In addition to the user having last modified the post being often an answerer (so the name on the frontpage is anyway not OP of question).] **And** if the post is found from the votes list it is anyway  OP's name that is dispalyed." CreationDate="2014-11-03T11:24:17.577" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8979" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="@quid: I see your point. I was mainly thinking of the 1st 12 hrs or so when the question is on the front page. So I guess I could wait a half-a-day before editing." CreationDate="2014-11-03T11:39:04.183" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="8980" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="Paradoxal rumination." CreationDate="2014-11-03T17:44:34.900" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="18209" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="A feature request on Meta Stack Exchange: [Active Question lists - Name should reflect original poster (and editor if exists)](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/65179). And some related posts: [What is the rationale for showing the “modified by” user in the questions list?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/73996) and [Why are editor names displayed so prominently?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/83196)" CreationDate="2019-01-23T17:47:31.840" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="8951" PostId="1959" Score="2" Text="Or just the &quot;edited 43 mins ago&quot; part, as a link. And if a moderator or a curious individual (the OP for example) would like to see who edited it, he can click it and get to the revisions page?" CreationDate="2014-11-01T03:01:36.103" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="8956" PostId="1959" Score="7" Text="@DanielSoltész So you want to make those that keep an eye on the quality of edits click and wait for another page to load over and over again? What is the return for imposing this extra burden on me (for example), except more whitespace?  It is relevant to know who edited *as easy as possible.* If I notice an edit by a new/inexperienced user or some that I do not consider trustworthy I will check what they did, by contrast if I see an edit from say François I see no need to control what he did." CreationDate="2014-11-01T11:57:43.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8958" PostId="1959" Score="2" Text="@quid I understand your point. From my point of view the situation is often like this: I see a post, it is nice, but he did an annoying typo or formatting mistake. Thus I edit it, and now my name is there next to the OP's, although my contribution is negligible to the question. I completely understand your point too. So is the software capable of doing something like the link &quot;edited 43 min ago&quot; but if you hover your mouse over it, it shows the user who edited and sufficient additional information?" CreationDate="2014-11-01T14:12:22.700" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="8969" PostId="1959" Score="2" Text="@DanielSoltész this would certainly be possible, but I do not think it is very useful. The issue is quite simply that some want the editor quite visible while some other want the editor not so visible. This is hard to reconcile. (A semiserious proposal: mainly you edit via proposed edits anway at less than 2k, just propose the edits anonymously.)" CreationDate="2014-11-02T12:32:30.110" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8971" PostId="1960" Score="5" Text="The upper right corner is not an option for answers. Anyway, what I wanted to mention is that on the mobile version of the site, the editor is placed *below* the author rather than to the left, separated by a horizontal line (another one of those also separates the author from the post). Even this small change seems to make the situation visually more clear." CreationDate="2014-11-02T23:24:09.760" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9040" PostId="1960" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek May I ask, why is it not an option?" CreationDate="2014-11-12T19:28:19.070" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="9041" PostId="1960" Score="0" Text="Isn’t it obvious? This specific spot happens to be next to the question, but it is nowhere near any of the answers. It just doesn’t make sense to put there a combined list of all editors of all the answers down below. Making such a combined list would be quite confusing by itself IMO, but if we  go that route, we might as well put the list at the very bottom of the page where it would be equally far away from the posts it refers to, but at least it wouldn’t interfere with positioning of other elements in the sidebar." CreationDate="2014-11-12T20:37:05.007" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9042" PostId="1960" Score="0" Text="Oh, i see. I would only propoe this solution only if the last edit of the question (and no edits of any answers) would be visible there. It would be a silly place for the edits of the answers. :-)" CreationDate="2014-11-12T22:34:47.213" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="8983" PostId="1961" Score="8" Text="It may be on topic for math.se, but less so for this forum. I have my doubts that research efforts can be furthered   by having results delivered en masse.  Furthering understanding of existing subjects, yes: taming the frontier, not so much.  While MathOverflow is both about taming and understanding, the post is rather like asking for solution manual recommendations for undergraduate level subjects, not like reference requests to the literature.  If the poster wants textbook/solution manual recommendations, have the poster try math.se" CreationDate="2014-11-03T22:05:23.353" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8984" PostId="1961" Score="14" Text="I was one of the voters to close.  There's all kinds of ways MO could benefit all kinds of people, but we don't pursue them all.  The site has a narrow scope for a reason.  Homework solutions is pretty well beyond the line." CreationDate="2014-11-04T00:53:57.700" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="8986" PostId="1961" Score="21" Text="My concern is the same as Ryan's. I don't see an intrinsic ethical difference between providing solutions to undergraduate homework and providing solutions to graduate school homework, and neither is really what MO is about." CreationDate="2014-11-04T01:12:05.460" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="8987" PostId="1961" Score="3" Text="@RyanBudney you are making a point in which I agree and another one that I disagree: one the one hand I understand that having a &quot;narrow scope&quot; has it purpose and I do like this on MO. On the other hand I think you missed my point with the sentence &quot;Homework solutions&quot;. My question is generic to graduate school texts which do not characterize as &quot;Homework&quot; (at least in my mind). How about if the question asked for solutions to all exercises &quot;left to the reader&quot; in SGA-7? will this be Homework?" CreationDate="2014-11-04T03:09:31.577" UserId="17980" />
  <row Id="8989" PostId="1961" Score="10" Text="It may or may  not be homework; it does not seem on topic for MO either." CreationDate="2014-11-04T03:49:20.210" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9036" PostId="1961" Score="10" Text="In general, I would find any kind of graduate-level mathematics question to be on-topic on MO. I don't really see that it matters what the source of the question is, as long as it is mathematically interesting and at the right level. Many of the advanced texts in my research area have some extremely difficult exercises in them, which sometimes even stump the experts, and these questions would certainly be on-topic at MO, despite their source. So I don't agree to any sweeping policy against posting exercises here. The policy should have to do only with the content and interest of the question." CreationDate="2014-11-11T16:08:18.330" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9037" PostId="1961" Score="4" Text="I also would think a post on an exercise from Mac Lane's book, along with a summary of a failed attempt and a question directed toward understanding the failure and/or a key perspective, would be appropriate: it is such perspectives and understandings this site intends to promote.  The question under discussion seems to request something the site does not promote, in my view: a large collection of answers to questions designed to exercise one's understanding.  (Even Knuth wants you to do some thinking before, during, and after reading his exercise answers.)" CreationDate="2014-11-12T06:02:49.980" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9094" PostId="1961" Score="4" Text="I don't see it desirable to ask for &quot;failed attempts&quot;, unless they are mathematically interesting (in which case they are welcome for that reason alone). I have almost never found the numerous &quot;what have you tried?&quot; remarks that one finds on MSE to be useful or interesting, or even relevant, and it would be a pity for that practice to be adopted here." CreationDate="2014-11-16T22:38:55.337" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="8990" PostId="1962" Score="1" Text="I cannot reproduce this problem." CreationDate="2014-11-04T17:38:25.387" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="8991" PostId="1962" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately I can.  E.g., a recent question on the main page (about a three prime lemma by Lucido) has a group theory tag, which one also sees when clicking through to the question itself.  Clicking on either tag instance takes me to a page with one group theory question listed: a featured question with bounty ( which is not about Lucido's lemma). I was expecting a longer list." CreationDate="2014-11-04T17:48:21.307" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8993" PostId="1962" Score="2" Text="The choice of tab seems sticky. If you change it once to what you want it should work the next time. Also you can change the tab &quot;preserving&quot; the chosen tag. Furthermore, some tab must be chosen. It is impossible to know which one you want (eg, new or active?). I am not sure what the default is. If it is &quot;featured&quot; I'd agree it is not the most intuitive choice." CreationDate="2014-11-04T17:55:29.220" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8994" PostId="1962" Score="0" Text="So it's a (to me) user interface change (grumble). Thanks for the enlightenment, @quid. Now I'll try looking for a positive frame for this picture.  If mods so wish, they can remove the question with no complaint from me." CreationDate="2014-11-04T17:56:41.977" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="8996" PostId="1962" Score="0" Text="You are welcome. Yes I guess there was some recent change though I did not keep track;  I was also taken to featured or frequent or something. Something related, I am unhappy about too many tabs being gone when not logged in. Not sure how recent that change is." CreationDate="2014-11-04T18:00:56.113" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="8998" PostId="1962" Score="0" Text="I have also noticed what appear to be recent changes. Most notably, I can no longer perform a search for multiple tags simultaneously without logging in. Such a search converts to a search for the first tag alone." CreationDate="2014-11-05T13:22:03.370" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="9002" PostId="1964" Score="0" Text="You might search MathOverflow for questions involving vector spaces and the axiom of choice.  You may find something to help answer the proposed question.  With choice, I think the answer is yes because the subset of Perm X &quot;has enough torsion&quot;, but I do not know a convincing proof." CreationDate="2014-11-06T23:53:54.277" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9005" PostId="1964" Score="4" Text="My initial reaction is: great question; please ask it! I'd love to see an answer." CreationDate="2014-11-07T02:43:53.080" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9006" PostId="1964" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins, thanks for the encouragement!  It is at http://mathoverflow.net/q/186439/2383." CreationDate="2014-11-07T02:52:09.083" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="9027" PostId="1964" Score="7" Text="I think people should in general be less worried about asking questions that aren't at high enough of a level. If you're considering that issue, you're not the sort of person that rule is meant to exclude (it seems). Moreover, it's not the end of a world to have a question closed or transferred. If it happened because it's too easy, that's kind of an answer in itself. So just ask!" CreationDate="2014-11-10T04:25:51.883" UserId="11546" />
  <row Id="9063" PostId="1964" Score="4" Text="Further to @JonBeardsley's comment: I always am troubled by using &quot;level&quot; as an indicator, since it is possible to ask very fruitful or thoughtful questions that only require definitions one would see as an undergraduate, and possible to ask very inane questions about sheaves, von Neumann algebras, cohomology, whatever" CreationDate="2014-11-14T13:21:22.503" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9064" PostId="1964" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi, then perhaps you will enjoy my upcoming question about the cohomology of sheaves of von Neumann algebras?  :-)" CreationDate="2014-11-14T13:50:00.063" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="9065" PostId="1964" Score="0" Text="@LSpice It depends if it's inane, or thoughtful :)" CreationDate="2014-11-14T14:07:43.450" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9066" PostId="1964" Score="5" Text="Some highly upvoted questions asked by some of our most illustrious users are more or less asked out of simple curiosity. You are in good company here." CreationDate="2014-11-14T14:30:14.033" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9085" PostId="1964" Score="0" Text="To illustrate my previous remark: my view is that http://mathoverflow.net/questions/187303/what-does-analyticity-imply-in-complex-analysis is a much better question than http://mathoverflow.net/questions/187246/dual-of-projective-limit-of-banach-spaces" CreationDate="2014-11-16T12:41:29.793" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9086" PostId="1964" Score="0" Text="in interests of fairness, vote this comment up if you *disagree* with the view in my previous comment" CreationDate="2014-11-16T12:42:18.283" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9004" PostId="1965" Score="0" Text="Good point—so maybe I should clarify why I asked.  I'll update my question accordingly." CreationDate="2014-11-07T00:46:09.900" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="9007" PostId="1965" Score="3" Text="I would say that while this is true in this case, it does not always hold. There are many questions that need the context of a larger research problem to be interesting (rather than way too specific for example)." CreationDate="2014-11-07T08:09:38.837" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="9043" PostId="1966" Score="1" Text="This question already has an answer at http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/105061/select-an-area-in-rep-graph-not-working-on-chrome" CreationDate="2014-11-12T23:18:31.510" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="9045" PostId="1966" Score="0" Text="@BjørnKjos-Hanssen:  Thanks!  Setting the zoom to 100% seems to fix it (though of course it should work in any zoom)..." CreationDate="2014-11-13T21:32:04.573" UserId="6950" />
  <row Id="9019" PostId="1967" Score="5" Text="I think we should add that questions that the user *knows* are known [difficult] open problems should be off limits here. If someone asks about some well known open problem, and obviously receives no answers, it is not too productive to post it here. Of course, if a user doesn't know that a question is an open problem (e.g. they're not from the relevant field), then there's no issue here." CreationDate="2014-11-08T21:17:28.537" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9020" PostId="1967" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: Maybe I was hoping for &quot;good behaviour&quot;. But you're right that it's probably best to state _some_ obvious things." CreationDate="2014-11-08T21:29:55.603" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="9021" PostId="1967" Score="1" Text="&quot;The first rule of this thread is the first rule of this thread&quot;. :-)" CreationDate="2014-11-08T21:37:59.177" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9022" PostId="1967" Score="0" Text="I haven't thought these interesting suggestions through myself, but I see no problem in placing the thread under protection (as requested)." CreationDate="2014-11-08T22:18:59.670" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9026" PostId="1967" Score="10" Text="In the case of a good question, I'd encourage people to ask the questions here at MO, rather than merely to post links via this thread." CreationDate="2014-11-09T16:11:07.167" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9028" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="I would welcome such a question -- though I think you should give examples of the mentioned failed attempts at proving / disproving the amenability of $F$, in order to illustrate what you are asking." CreationDate="2014-11-10T11:38:02.227" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9029" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Good suggestion, I added some examples." CreationDate="2014-11-10T11:57:03.693" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="9031" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="I agree with @StefanKohl, as long as emphasis is put on the last paragraph, so that answers merely of the form &quot;I looked on Google and I have found a claim of a solution&quot; are agreed to be off-topic" CreationDate="2014-11-10T12:46:30.577" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9032" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi Good point. Do you have any suggestion on how to make sure that part is emphasized?" CreationDate="2014-11-10T12:55:50.740" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="9033" PostId="1971" Score="1" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: I would write that *very* explicitly. -- People tend to interpret the question in their favorite way otherwise, as it happened e.g. with my question [Mathematical research published in the form of poems](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/153069/mathematical-research-published-in-the-form-of-poems), where answerers freely assert that e.g. medieval or ancient chinese poems have been published in a similar form as a paper in Math. Z.." CreationDate="2014-11-10T13:50:34.327" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9034" PostId="1971" Score="2" Text="What would be considered a good answer to this question?  You might suggest some possibilities yourself, or illustrate by saying something like &quot;I get that for the Jacobian conjecture, it is the naturality of the statement, like the Jordan curve theorem, which I don't see here&quot;, to give people an idea where the ballpark is or isn't." CreationDate="2014-11-11T02:46:00.013" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9035" PostId="1971" Score="1" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger That is a good question that I will probably need to think a bit more about. I was thinking of adding something along the lines of &quot;I am specifically not asking about what the errors were in previous attempts, unless there is some general type of error that tends to come up in many of them&quot; (this might also help the question become more focused and avoid a bunch of answers with links to previous attempts)." CreationDate="2014-11-11T08:17:24.037" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="9044" PostId="1971" Score="2" Text="Now that the question is &quot;live&quot; on MathOverflow I suggest you add a link here to it." CreationDate="2014-11-13T16:33:08.283" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9038" PostId="1973" Score="5" Text="Instead of reasking the remaining question in case of a partial answer, one can also edit the original question and state which parts have been answered by the answers already given, and which parts are still open." CreationDate="2014-11-12T11:46:50.397" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9039" PostId="1973" Score="0" Text="Good point. Editing is in general preferable. However, there are precedences of questioners (or other interested parties) expressing some discontent that some question is no more in the &quot;unanswered&quot; list while clearly not having been answered. My remark is meant to address these (rare) cases where in earlier discussion the practice I propose was recommended or at least declared admissible, IIRC." CreationDate="2014-11-12T12:33:36.260" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="22401" PostId="1974" Score="5" Text="I've posted an answer to the question. It seems that Smalø (and his students) realized that the claimed proof was wrong (but without knowing whether the claim was nevertheless true)." CreationDate="2020-06-27T11:27:12.653" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="9046" PostId="1976" Score="2" Text="Well this may or may not be the truth but i think the reason is: If we could get back the points if no one would answer the questions, we would propose a lot more bounties (i personally would). Thus it wouldn't be as big of a deal that there is a bounty for a question." CreationDate="2014-11-13T22:39:09.317" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="9047" PostId="1976" Score="8" Text="I think this rule makes sense (you invest capital, the venture flops, you lose). The main problem is that 7 days is a ridiculously short time to make bounties effective in a field like mathematics." CreationDate="2014-11-13T22:54:04.787" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9049" PostId="1976" Score="1" Text="I always found MathOverflow to be a site where bounties were a really silly feature to keep. Of course it's not our choice in the matter, and there's no real harm if someone wants to waste internet points. But a question that would normally be bountied is one that has a reasonable answer. If you know that there is an answer in the literature, but not sure where, a bounty makes sense. If you think the question is open, a bounty is plain wrong. Especially in communities of researchers, where open questions are usually open for a reason." CreationDate="2014-11-13T23:30:52.020" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9052" PostId="1976" Score="1" Text="@Asaf Karagila: I disagree with you. Bounties are useful. We have many questions posted every day, and most people do not have time to read all of them. But we have a small list of featured questions which attract much more attention. So we pay for advertising, and this is useful. I have this experience when one my question was solved as a result of bounty." CreationDate="2014-11-13T23:45:31.573" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="9054" PostId="1976" Score="0" Text="@Stefan Kohl: and &quot;satisfactory answer&quot; has to be decided only by the person who pays the bounty, but by the others:-)" CreationDate="2014-11-13T23:48:15.753" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="9058" PostId="1976" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl how do you propose to decide in actual practice what constitutes a &quot;satisfactory answer&quot;? If it is only up to OP, this is wide open to abuse. Indeed, the current system does only auto-award bounties to &quot;satisfactory answers&quot; (by a criterion of score; one might want to raise it). The reason the bounty expires is also, perhaps mainly, to have some point when it is auto-awarded. I agree one could think about keeping bounties active if there is no &quot;satisfactory answer&quot; at all (possibly taking them of the featured tab) but I can also see reasons against this." CreationDate="2014-11-14T00:22:52.710" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9062" PostId="1976" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl as I said I could imagine to raise the &quot;satisfactory answer&quot; requirement as decided by the community from only &quot;score +2&quot; to something more substantive. However, I also feel that making explict votes there could be a source of conflict besides seeming a bit exaggerated. Generally speaking, I consider it as a bad idea to make the bounty system (and anything related to points) more serious; it should be a playful thing (as *most* monetary awards in math are, too)." CreationDate="2014-11-14T12:03:20.420" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9048" PostId="1977" Score="0" Text="I can, and I did pay 100-200 points for &quot;higher visibility&quot;. But there are questions for which I would pay 5000 or 10000 points, if the answer satisfies me:-)" CreationDate="2014-11-13T23:25:01.987" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="9050" PostId="1977" Score="2" Text="It is not possible to offer 5000 or 10000 points at a time. The maximum bounty is 500. If you want to award as high bounties as you say, you would have to work outside the system regardless. You could state your intent to award the points for an answer in the question or a comment to it.  (Personally, I do not believe bounties that high are useful though.)" CreationDate="2014-11-13T23:32:04.367" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9051" PostId="1977" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I understand. But then there is no difference between awarding 50 and 500 because all bounties are advertised on the same small list, correct?" CreationDate="2014-11-13T23:42:31.587" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="9055" PostId="1977" Score="2" Text="For visibility initially there is no difference this is true. However, note that if you want to add a bounty to the same question a second time you need to at least double the bounty (and so on), or put 500 if doubling exceeds it. [I might misremeber the details, but it is certainly something along these lines.] Thus, even purely for the aspect of visibility there is some purpose in having a range of points." CreationDate="2014-11-14T00:00:07.847" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9056" PostId="1977" Score="0" Text="Thanks I did not know about that doubling rule." CreationDate="2014-11-14T00:01:38.200" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="9059" PostId="1978" Score="1" Text="Not a bad idea. A protected question, of course." CreationDate="2014-11-14T01:14:13.440" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="9060" PostId="1978" Score="11" Text="It may be already too late, or superfluous, with 50 votes, 680 views, and many comments to the &quot;sad news&quot; posting..." CreationDate="2014-11-14T01:56:09.937" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="9121" PostId="1978" Score="3" Text="Talking about healing the following callous statement from NYT's obituary article is repulsive (it's about Grothendieck's father): ***In 1939, he*** &lt;Alexander&gt; ***renunited with his mother and father in France, but his father was arrested, sent to an interment camp at Le Vernet and eventually moved to Auschwitz, where he died in 1942.*** NYT--SHAME on you!" CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:05:34.657" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9122" PostId="1978" Score="0" Text="See above: The New York Times Obituaries Sunday, November 16, 2014." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:06:15.597" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9129" PostId="1978" Score="0" Text="* ***internment*** (not *interment*)." CreationDate="2014-11-21T22:23:26.020" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9176" PostId="1978" Score="7" Text="@WłodzimierzHolsztyński: My apologies if I am being dense, but I fail to see how your excerpt is callous or repulsive. It seems to just be a recollection of facts." CreationDate="2014-11-24T14:49:52.353" UserId="18403" />
  <row Id="9189" PostId="1978" Score="4" Text="The whole Grothendieck's life was affected by the tragic destiny of his father. His father was not simply arrested and sent to an internment camp. His father was rounded up by French, as a Jew, and soon he was delivered by French to Germans to perish. Grothendieck's father did't kind of leave the internment imprisonment to go quietly on retirement, to take it easy after a long life, and he didn't just quietly died in Auschwitz. Gronthendieck's father was MURDERED in Auschwitz by Germans. Germans **MURDERED** Grothendieck's father, with help from French, with French cooperation." CreationDate="2014-11-25T02:21:35.093" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9191" PostId="1978" Score="5" Text="@WłodzimierzHolsztyński: the facts you mention in your most recent comment were already clear to me from the NYT excerpt. My suspicion (apologies if incorrect) is that you are reading &quot;moved to Auschwitz&quot; with a different meaning than the one the author intended. I think the correct parsing is not &quot;[he] eventually moved&quot; but &quot;[he] was... eventually moved.&quot; No one is going to miss the implications of someone being arrested, moved to Auschwitz, and dying in 1942." CreationDate="2014-11-26T01:17:19.887" UserId="1902" />
  <row Id="9192" PostId="1978" Score="0" Text="I stand by my statement about NYT." CreationDate="2014-11-26T07:29:13.503" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9201" PostId="1978" Score="1" Text="@MikeBenfield -- the facts NYT mentioned were already clear to me without the NYT excerpt. We know without NYT that Gronthedieck was not half-bad mathematician, that he won Fields, and that Grothendieck's father was murdered by Germans and French. Thus, according to Mike Benfield's logic, the whole NYT obituary should be the name and 3 letters: **Alexander Grothendieck, RIP**." CreationDate="2014-11-27T19:36:44.150" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9203" PostId="1978" Score="4" Text="@WłodzimierzHolsztyński I think your last comment exaggerates quite a bit. (I do not find it polite either to insist on your point over and over again, especially in an increasingly sarcastic way.) While on this site your &quot;we know&quot; might be correct, I am quite doubtful that the average reader of the NYT knew much anything about Grothendieck; by contrast, I am quite convinced or at least hopeful that the inference mentioned by Mike Benfield will be made by most. Furthermore, while me too I initially found the phrasing odd, I am given to understand that it is an idiomatic way to express it." CreationDate="2014-11-28T13:30:48.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9204" PostId="1978" Score="0" Text="Very idiomatic." CreationDate="2014-11-28T19:13:12.873" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9071" PostId="1981" Score="0" Text="As may have been done with other memorialized members, a question like &quot;where can I find a memorial page for X?&quot; with an answer giving a link seems most appropriate.  If they were also MO participants, a little more effort and information might be appropriate, but this forum serves better as a reference to such a service, and not to assuming any aspects of that service." CreationDate="2014-11-15T20:13:56.923" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9072" PostId="1981" Score="1" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger I was proposing to go more in the direction of actual mathematics than memorializing per se - what we do best here. We've all heard what a legendary and visionary and truly unique mathematician he was, but what *specifically* did he achieve? This is a big list: work on functional analysis and nuclear spaces; influential work in homological algebra; a foundational reworking of Galois theory; obviously the radical reformulation of the Weil conjectures in terms of etale cohomomology of schemes; themes emanating from the *Esquisse d'un Programme*; anabelian geometry... etc. etc." CreationDate="2014-11-16T01:36:22.290" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9073" PostId="1981" Score="1" Text="I can understand discomfort with memorializing (cf. comments here: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/81821/in-memoriam-torsten-ekedahl), but this situation might be a little different (as AG was not personally known by most of us here, and in fact has had little contact with the mathematical world for over 20 years). But, we should discuss. I'm not trying to push anything, just proposing a possibility which could be very educational." CreationDate="2014-11-16T01:42:16.843" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9093" PostId="1981" Score="6" Text="As I'm sure many people  already know, there many good answers already in various places to &quot;what specifically did he achieve&quot;?. In particular, Serre's report to the Fields medal committee, which has since been published, contains a good summary of Grothendieck's pre-1966 work." CreationDate="2014-11-16T21:37:01.637" UserId="4144" />
  <row Id="9096" PostId="1981" Score="0" Text="@DonuArapura That's a good point. With that in mind, it might then make more sense to narrow it down to answers which outline his achievements (or ideas/visions) in the years after his &quot;retirement&quot;, e.g., stuff on the long march, the Esquisse, etc. I know of a Festschrift, but I thought something online and for general audiences might be good. Does something like this exist?" CreationDate="2014-11-18T14:52:08.980" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9103" PostId="1981" Score="4" Text="It's very difficult to track down the report that Donu mentioned (back issues of K-Theory are not easy to access online), but I found it here: http://phdtree.org/pdf/44019710-rapport-au-comite-fields-sur-les-travaux-de-a-grothendieck/" CreationDate="2014-11-19T23:43:26.523" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="9172" PostId="1981" Score="1" Text="The official version of Serre's report is at http://portico.org/stable?au=pgg197gm5dt, readable only if your institution subscribes to Portico." CreationDate="2014-11-24T02:01:15.153" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="9190" PostId="1981" Score="0" Text="did this proposal get carried out? can someone link to it if so? (planning a blog on the subject myself.) or maybe there should be more _meta discussion 1st_ :p ... on other hand, simple question about his [impact on TCS](http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/27449/impact-of-grothendiecks-program-on-tcs) went viral, yay =) ... there are indeed many accounts of grothendieck, but feel it would be very helpful/ worthwhile if the se Q/A format was used as a memorial-like format as in that TCS question &amp; dont regard it as misuse of se, more a sterling use &amp; great example of collective wisdom" CreationDate="2014-11-25T19:04:51.440" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="9099" PostId="1984" Score="2" Text="That site is still in beta. As far as I recall, it is not possible to get migration paths to beta sites." CreationDate="2014-11-19T08:17:27.080" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="9100" PostId="1984" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft, I didn't know of that restriction, thanks. If that is indeed the case, we need to wait until it gets out of beta." CreationDate="2014-11-19T10:11:34.433" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9101" PostId="1984" Score="0" Text="As @TobiasKildetoft says for now there cannot be an open path. *But* moderators can still migrate. You could flag  &quot;other&quot; and suggest migration." CreationDate="2014-11-19T18:48:46.083" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9102" PostId="1985" Score="5" Text="File a request with the relevant info here: http://mathoverflow.net/contact" CreationDate="2014-11-19T19:45:55.307" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9106" PostId="1986" Score="2" Text="The question looks generally alright (to me) for MO, but can I ask how you know such a value $f(\epsilon)$ exists for all $\epsilon &gt; 0$? For all I know this is well-known to experts, but a link would be very nice." CreationDate="2014-11-21T13:00:35.087" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9107" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legendre%27s_constant ." CreationDate="2014-11-21T13:46:48.050" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9108" PostId="1986" Score="1" Text="I don’t understand the point of the question. On the one hand, it asks for one function with particular properties (which shouldn’t be hard to find in the relevant literature, I expect), on the other hand, it insists on a “general method”." CreationDate="2014-11-21T13:53:31.103" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9109" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Yes, now I feel very silly for asking. :-( And now on second thought, I'm with Emil and not quite sure what the question is asking, since for this particular question the extraction of $f$ should be routine. Maybe someone should answer at MSE..." CreationDate="2014-11-21T14:08:39.473" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9110" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: Can you elaborate where particularly is your difficulty in understanding the question?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T14:10:49.000" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="9111" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: Can you give some link of the literature dealing with this problem?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T14:14:19.087" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="9112" PostId="1986" Score="2" Text="Let's put it this way: would you be satisfied if someone wrote down an explicit function $f$ such that $\frac{x}{\log(x) - (1-\epsilon)} &lt; \pi(x) &lt; \frac{x}{\log(x) - (1+\epsilon)}$ for all $x &gt; f(\epsilon)$ (with some indication of proof)? My difficulty is knowing if &quot;general method&quot; is supposed to extend beyond this particular problem (if so, you would need to elaborate the class of problems, and this is highly unclear at the moment)." CreationDate="2014-11-21T14:20:59.493" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9113" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="@user170039: For example, see the very Dusart’s thesis that you linked to in the question, in particular Théorème 1.10, points 6,7. With a bit of elementary algebra, this will give you a bound $\epsilon\le c/\log x$ for some explicit constant $c$, wherefrom you can take $f(\epsilon)=\exp(c/\epsilon)$. (This is optimal bound up to the value of $c$.)" CreationDate="2014-11-21T14:36:50.917" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9114" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: Yes. You are right. My main objective was to write down an explicit function $f$." CreationDate="2014-11-21T16:42:08.107" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="9124" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="I have now responded at MSE with an answer. Emil was spot on." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:25:52.007" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9126" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="Well, so did I." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:27:50.130" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9198" PostId="1986" Score="1" Text="@nicael, please define &quot;usually&quot;. (for me, m.se *always* stands for Mathematics Stackexchange)" CreationDate="2014-11-27T05:03:08.513" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="9199" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson okay, but how is this relevant; m.se is not identical to MSE. :-) [this is not a pure joke, as I actually would associate m.se more with Math and MSE with Meta]" CreationDate="2014-11-27T12:05:16.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9200" PostId="1986" Score="4" Text="@quid, since I don't associate anything with Meta Stack Exchange, I associate all variants of mse with mathstackexchange." CreationDate="2014-11-27T12:17:38.710" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="9202" PostId="1986" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson but maybe you should, and adopt a more efficient naming scheme. Anyway, I am pretty sure that the predominant usage (throughout the network) is that MSE stands for Meta Stack Exchange, which you can take as the definition of &quot;usually&quot; that you asked for." CreationDate="2014-11-27T23:56:21.803" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9117" PostId="1987" Score="22" Text="It's hard to have a discussion about this without concrete examples.  I suspect that almost everyone agrees that it is important to be polite, but that there is disagreement about what this means in practice." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:40:54.383" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="9118" PostId="1987" Score="7" Text="Please flag instances of rudeness that you see, to bring them to moderator attention. Either the moderators will find merit in the flag (and typically delete the offending comment, or perform some other suitable action), or dismiss the flag as not rising to that level. I too have recently been seeing comments directed at questions which don't belong at MO which I thought unnecessarily harsh. Autism/ASD or not, rude/offensive comments should generally be removed." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:47:34.547" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9119" PostId="1987" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble, I didn't say ***rude***, I said ***less than polit***e (something like giving direct orders rather than using a phrase of the kind: *would you...* or *would you, please, ...*)." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:52:51.853" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9120" PostId="1987" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman, one may talk about the phrases rather--I feel--than about the particular users and their statements, which in my opinion would be too much. I wanted to alert the MO forum to the issue." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:59:04.153" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9123" PostId="1987" Score="3" Text="Włodzimierz, please be more specific, so that we can better respond to your post. Is it a case where the OP says something like &quot;Prove this statement&quot;? I'm not sure what you would like the community to do about this exactly, but we moderators are here to help if we can." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:18:46.940" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9125" PostId="1987" Score="1" Text="@Todd, I can tell the difference between the mathematical jargon and a part of a regular communication." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:26:53.523" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9127" PostId="1987" Score="15" Text="Włodzimierz: would you *please* be more specific? (My previous comment was not to insult you or to be &quot;less than polite; a lot of people are put out when a poster uses the imperative form &quot;Prove that...&quot;, and for all I knew you were among them.)" CreationDate="2014-11-21T21:13:11.963" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9128" PostId="1987" Score="1" Text="&quot;*(My previous comment was not to insult you or to be &quot;less than polite;...)*--@Todd, please, relax. I wouldn't even dream that your comment had any issue. I really think that there is no reason in the minor cases to respond about the issue in any formal or semi-formal way. I feel that MO participants may be a bit more sensitive or willing to be so. I am thinking mainly about young participants who didn't even had time to collect enough of the so-called *reputation*. The older participants, who have their share of success, they may enjoy MO or leave it. It's more about younger people." CreationDate="2014-11-21T22:18:17.293" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9130" PostId="1987" Score="2" Text="@Wlod, you can send email to Todd and the others at moderators@mathoverflow.net   . You can put the name Todd in the subject line, for example. That way you can answer Todd without, well, without anything going wrong. I've done that a few times over the years, i think it is a good option with divisive material, and any of the moderators may choose to reply if they find a reason to do so. Last time I did that, I was taken aback by the way someone interpreted a comment i had made, really threw me. Todd was very nice about it all." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:52:06.507" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9131" PostId="1987" Score="12" Text="Well, I am relaxed, but there seems to be some breakdown in communication and I guess I should bow out of the discussion. If I understand you correctly, you just wish to point out that some older or more experienced users have been less than polite or not as sensitive as they could be, etc., but I still am not sure what you're referring to. (And yes, please feel free anytime to contact me and/or the rest of the moderator team, as Will has just suggested.)" CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:53:36.323" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9132" PostId="1987" Score="7" Text="Dear Włodzimierz, the very best way to provide the specifics Todd is suggesting you to provide is to flag the posts/comments where you find less-than-polite behavior. In the abstract, as Andy observed above, everyone agrees that being polite is important. Flags have the immense benefit of being a quieter way of getting this particular sort of point across." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:59:49.963" UserId="1409" />
  <row Id="9133" PostId="1987" Score="1" Text="I think this question may be redundant, since answers to this question are likely to be a reasonable fit at: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1124/what-is-needed-to-succeed-in-keeping-up-the-level-of-the-site-and-retaining-the ." CreationDate="2014-11-22T04:28:45.160" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="9134" PostId="1987" Score="0" Text="Here the topic is very narrow, very specific. The thread http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1124/what-is-needed-to-succeed-in-keeping-up-the-level-of-the-site-and-retaining-the (see link above) considers virtually the whole situation at MO. That's my impression more or less." CreationDate="2014-11-22T06:03:35.773" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9136" PostId="1987" Score="2" Text="I think the issue is really tricky as far as formulation and tone is concerned. Sometimes I find myself delete an extra &quot;please&quot; I already typed since I feel it could be taken the wrong way; it is in my opinion not so clear which of &quot;Could you do X.&quot; or &quot;Could you please do X.&quot; is more appropriate in a given situation." CreationDate="2014-11-22T11:53:20.133" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9137" PostId="1987" Score="0" Text="@quid, if I wrote in a comment to you something like: *I did not ask you about X but about Y*, then I believe that with your standards you'd consider such behavior on bordering with rudeness. Thus only some cases are iffy while a number of cases are quite clear. The example I just have given leaves no doubt in my mind." CreationDate="2014-11-22T12:01:44.467" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9138" PostId="1987" Score="5" Text="The comment seems like a factual assertion meant to point out a misunderstanding. Whether it is close to rude depends on the context. If a questioner were to comment just this on an answer (on main), then it would possibly be close to rude. As part of a longer exchange, I do not find it rude. It is to the point. But, when one feels people are talking sideways it can also be helpful to directly address the issue. Anyway, I feel my main point was not really received, which is that it is not that productive to pay a lot of attention to perceived details of tone and politeness on this site." CreationDate="2014-11-22T15:57:36.210" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9139" PostId="1987" Score="6" Text="To expand on the last sentence. Things like politeness are really tricky in a cross-cultural context and even more so in writing. What is polite here, is rude or odd there, and vice versa. The key issue to me is the intent and/or the actual contribution in a situation at hand." CreationDate="2014-11-22T16:09:51.187" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9140" PostId="1987" Score="0" Text="The Hell is paved with good intentions. (Objectiveness is the key. One cannot tell objectively intentions from hypocrisy or dishonesty.)" CreationDate="2014-11-22T21:33:29.637" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9144" PostId="1987" Score="6" Text="To add on what @quid is saying, as an Israeli, I am not used to formality, for me politeness means using ones first name, and being informal. Formality is associated with distancing yourself from someone, either in an insulting manner or worse, a condescending manner. Imagine my first brushes with Indian English, were everyone is calling me &quot;Sir&quot; and thanking me every time. And imagine their encounters with my brusque Israeli nature. It was on more than one occasion that I had to explain that I'm not offending anyone, and more than once I felt offended by over formality of others." CreationDate="2014-11-23T08:08:04.820" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9145" PostId="1987" Score="1" Text="Let alone, that this is a medium devoid of all body language. So if something can be misinterpreted, it will be misinterpreted at some point." CreationDate="2014-11-23T08:08:55.857" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9146" PostId="1987" Score="2" Text="@Asaf, I was informal since I was born, and stayed informal always, and will be informal for the rest of my days. But that's not the topic. It's about a spectrum of being good-natured, positive, polite, wishing others well, etc. through unpleasant and negative, all the way to impolite (even rude) and hostile. This is a different dimension--perpendicular or orthogonal--to the  *informal* $\rightarrow$ *formal* axis." CreationDate="2014-11-23T08:32:40.123" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9152" PostId="1987" Score="12" Text="Concerning your recent edit with the comment on the down-votes: the hover text attached to the down-vote arrow is &quot;This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful&quot;.  If you are curious about down-voters' intentions, it might be worthwhile to interpret these down-votes as an expression of this sentiment, in the absence of clear evidence otherwise." CreationDate="2014-11-23T10:31:21.643" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="9158" PostId="1987" Score="2" Text="Regarding your remark that intentions are difficult to judged. This is no doubt true and I recently ran into some unpleasantness by mistaking a follow-up question of an OP (on some comment, not even mine) for an honest question, as opposed to a rhetorical one to voice complaint about a comment. Still, the in my opinion most sane approach is to assume good intentions and take things at face-value absent *very clear* indications to the contrary. In case of doubt, you can always ask directly. This is not the most  elegant thing to do, but it can be effective." CreationDate="2014-11-23T14:23:53.467" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9154" PostId="1990" Score="14" Text="You *don’t* collect reputation points on meta. The number shown is just your reputation from the main site." CreationDate="2014-11-23T13:15:24.163" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9155" PostId="1990" Score="2" Text="Could you please elaborate on what you would like to see improved or changed? Your question seems too abstract to answer. (It seems to me that concrete questions work best at MO.meta, whereas abstract ones fit MO main.) At the moment the meta is a Q&amp;A site with badges but without reputation points. The reputation shown is the main reputation, and I think it is a useful hint about how much expertise the poster has about MO. Do you want to change the reward system or the Q&amp;A structure or something else?" CreationDate="2014-11-23T13:41:07.863" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9156" PostId="1990" Score="3" Text="I’m not sure whether you are aware that the old non-Q&amp;A meta is still (at least in principle) in operation as http://tea.mathoverflow.net . One reason for keeping it was indeed that many people were concerned that Q&amp;A is not a suitable format for meta discussion. However, what happened in practice is that after the migration, the old meta was quickly abandoned, which I guess means that the Q&amp;A meta was found to work satisfactorily enough." CreationDate="2014-11-23T13:48:07.877" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9163" PostId="1990" Score="0" Text="@Emil and Todd, thank you for the information about  http://tea.mathoverflow.net/." CreationDate="2014-11-23T17:51:12.153" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9159" PostId="1991" Score="5" Text="I don't know if it's possible to have the same light on the dashboard light up if there is a new post on either meta or tea, but I'll ask around." CreationDate="2014-11-23T15:32:27.327" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9160" PostId="1991" Score="2" Text="I assume the light mentioned in the comment is the (blue) notification about meta posts that *only* moderators receive. I imagine it will be quite tricky to link tea with the notification system. (For the general and personalized red one's even more.) However, we could just have question here on this meta and new threads on tea are added there to signal there presence. (Individuals also could use other means for being notified, like rss feeds or perhaps email notification.)" CreationDate="2014-11-23T16:34:48.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9168" PostId="1993" Score="2" Text="To get comments deleted one typically flags them (in this case 'obsolete' or 'too chatty' seem suitable flags). You also could have asked OP to delete it.  To post on meta seems a bit too much to me for the deletion of one comment, around since years." CreationDate="2014-11-23T20:58:22.247" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9170" PostId="1993" Score="0" Text="Okay, the comments are gone. I guess this matter has now been concluded." CreationDate="2014-11-23T22:05:26.093" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9171" PostId="1993" Score="13" Text="Just my personal opinion that I find some of Will Jagy's whimsical titles amusing.  I can understand the need to make some titles more informative, but I also like the idea of letting people express themselves as they feel (within reason), and not making everything bland and homogeneous.  There are certainly some other comments on MO that give the impression of being written by human beings; I hope they survive!" CreationDate="2014-11-24T01:50:23.343" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="9173" PostId="1993" Score="1" Text="@Lucia the main issue in this case seems to be the &quot;risqué&quot; not the &quot;uninformative&quot; so that the objection seem to have been that the expression is (possibly) not within reason. To be clear, I have no personal problem with this, and would have personal problems with only quite few things. However, different people have different sensibilities, and I am convinced that the site being acceptable for as many as possible is the higher good than people expressing themselves as they feel. (In addition to that the site being *easily understandable* is also relevant.)" CreationDate="2014-11-24T11:43:18.747" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9175" PostId="1993" Score="7" Text="@quid:  I did understand that point.  The comment in question referred to a book by Tom Robbins &quot;Skinny legs and all&quot;. I haven't read his work, but he seems a mainstream and seriously regarded author.  The &quot;seven veils&quot; were treated by Wilde and Richard Strauss (and of course goes much further back): I'm sure it was risque a hundred years back, but now?  So for me the comment/title simply made cultural references, and is well within reason." CreationDate="2014-11-24T14:40:46.990" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="9179" PostId="1993" Score="0" Text="@Lucia I think you should (if at all) discuss the suitability of the comment with OP, not with me. *I* did not see a specific problem with it either; else I would have adressed it years ago. To summarize my points are: 1. IMO, this is not really something for a meta post (see my initial comment). 2. I find it at least not productive to have discussions about which cultural references should be considered &quot;within reason&quot; and which not. In case a doubt is voice, they should simply be removed without much ado." CreationDate="2014-11-24T18:08:28.010" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9181" PostId="1993" Score="3" Text="@quid: I agree with you, except for the last part about removing any comments if ``a doubt is voiced&quot; -- maybe that's a good way to proceed, but maybe not.  My other comments were aimed at the OP, and indeed anyone reading this thread (which has now become unnecessarily long)." CreationDate="2014-11-24T20:25:24.890" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="9182" PostId="1993" Score="2" Text="@Lucia - A reply to your comments, as requested: I agree that whimsey and humanity are valuable additions to mathematics.  However - in its most common interpretation the &quot;dance of the seven veils&quot; is a complete strip tease, performed by a daughter for her father.  Since this is icky where I come from, and has little to do with the question (we are not removing seven similar things from an octonion), I edited it." CreationDate="2014-11-24T21:49:10.013" UserId="1650" />
  <row Id="9186" PostId="1993" Score="5" Text="I should clarify that the comments were removed because once the title was changed, the referent of the &quot;skinny legs&quot; comment was gone and the comment hung in limbo, having been stripped of its former relevance. I should also mention that the OP (Will Jagy) and I were in contact through this and he understands the comment deletion and seems fine with it. I usually enjoy his cultural references, and this was no exception." CreationDate="2014-11-24T23:17:13.367" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9187" PostId="1993" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble: Thanks for the clarification!" CreationDate="2014-11-24T23:26:12.293" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="9207" PostId="1993" Score="4" Text="@SamNead Not her father. Step-father and half-uncle. Arguably still icky (though &quot;complete striptease&quot; and &quot;for him&quot; are also arguable), but not as icky as you suggest, I think. Personally I think the whole &quot;cutting off the head&quot; thing is more icky." CreationDate="2014-11-30T13:49:54.087" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="9174" PostId="1994" Score="4" Text="I think one could additionally indicate whether the person having made the last modification is the OP of the question / answer or someone else, and roughly how many percent of the text have been changed." CreationDate="2014-11-24T14:35:33.777" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9177" PostId="1994" Score="0" Text="Should it only display the most recent modification? If someone makes a significant change to the question and then someone else corrects a typo in their answer to the same question two minutes later, the details of the latest edit are misleading. I agree that such a thing could be useful, but deciding what information exactly is useful seems nontrivial." CreationDate="2014-11-24T15:06:02.593" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9178" PostId="1994" Score="2" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta I agree that the information I asked for might not always be the optimal information, but I was looking for something that could be implemented easily.  Even if it's not perfect, it would be better (in my opinion) than the present system." CreationDate="2014-11-24T15:38:15.693" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="9183" PostId="1994" Score="4" Text="I have long wished for a small symbol, perhaps a colored box with a Q or A or D (for deleted) next to and after the name of the person making the change, so I could hover over that and get the detail of the major modification.  Without the mouseover, the color-letter combo could still reveal useful info about the modification.  Even better would be if the mouse-over would reveal if there were any extant comments made after the modification, and who made the latest extant comment.  Gerhard &quot;Sometimes Not Too Much Information&quot; Paseman, 2014.11.24" CreationDate="2014-11-24T21:51:46.837" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9194" PostId="1994" Score="0" Text="I realized that what I’ve just suggested in a now deleted comment is already implemented, and incidentally, it provides the information Andreas asks for. The “asked/answered/modified” note is clickable, it gives a direct link to the changed post. The url of the link ends with “.../?lastactivity” if and only if the changed post is an answer, hence one can distinguish modified questions from answers by hovering over that link." CreationDate="2014-11-26T17:15:34.523" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9195" PostId="1994" Score="0" Text="Hmm, no, modified questions occasionally have ?lastactivity as well. I do not understand the algorithm." CreationDate="2014-11-26T17:30:02.607" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9196" PostId="1994" Score="5" Text="The StackApp &quot;Stack Activity&quot; http://stackapps.com/questions/4134/stack-activity-last-activity-of-every-question may may be of help, if your browser is Chrome or Firefox, etc. I use it. See also http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/145039/can-we-add-asked-answered-edited-text-to-each-question-featured-on-the-f." CreationDate="2014-11-26T19:21:22.133" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="9206" PostId="1997" Score="1" Text="Deleted a comment about being unable to install the script.  More experimentation led to what appears to be success.  Thanks." CreationDate="2014-11-29T01:01:11.413" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="9284" PostId="1997" Score="1" Text="The experimentation in my previous comment concerned installing the script on my university computer, a Mac running Mavericks. On my laptop, which still runs SnowLeopard (because for various reasons I've refused to &quot;up&quot;grade it to Lion or anything newer), the installation process was completely obvious." CreationDate="2014-12-06T02:02:23.437" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="9208" PostId="1998" Score="0" Text="You description confuses me. If you really flag as &quot;other&quot; and then type &quot;off-topic&quot; this is *not* what you should be doing. Instead, choose &quot;this question should be closed for another reasons&quot; then selected the appropriate reason for closure (which includes &quot;off-topic&quot; but also &quot;unclear what you are asking&quot; and so on; for &quot;off-topic&quot; there is still one more click as you select the particular &quot;off-topic&quot; reason among several). Sorry, in case this is what you are doing anyway." CreationDate="2014-11-30T14:05:28.580" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9209" PostId="1998" Score="2" Text="@quid: The OP is not talking about close votes (he has not got enough reputation) but moderator flags." CreationDate="2014-11-30T14:21:47.170" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9210" PostId="1998" Score="2" Text="If you think a question is inappropriate and should be removed, you should flag it as &quot;low quality&quot;. I think this option is available unless the question has positive score." CreationDate="2014-11-30T14:33:18.403" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9211" PostId="1998" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Yes, and so am I. The flagging reasons (can) include &quot;should be closed for another reason&quot; and I recommend to use this flag, the purpose of which is clearly  what OP wants to achieve, namely to get a question closed. I added the 'can' since this option is not always present, e.g., it is not present for users that can vote to close, which might be the reason why it was not immediately clear to you what I meant but you  could (start to) flag an open question on [math.SE]  to see what I am talking about." CreationDate="2014-11-30T15:52:33.997" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9212" PostId="1998" Score="0" Text="Aha, sorry, I was not aware of that." CreationDate="2014-11-30T15:56:47.977" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9213" PostId="1998" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl &quot;school homework problems&quot; should *not* be flagged as very low quality (except they qualify as very low quality for another reason). Of course they should be put on hold/closed. Therefore OP should flag for closure (&quot;should be closed for another reason&quot;) not as very low quality by default. The difference is the review-list in which they are placed and (I think) what happens in case of disputed flags. (IIRC a disputed LQ flag is escalated to a moderator flag, a close flag is not.)" CreationDate="2014-11-30T15:58:20.673" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9214" PostId="1998" Score="1" Text="@quid: Well -- the OP asks about questions where &quot;the need for *removal* is obvious&quot;. Also, as far as I have seen, a &quot;very low quality&quot; flag is considered &quot;helpful&quot; as soon as the flagged question gets closed: e.g. when flagging a question with 4 close votes as &quot;very low quality&quot; and then casting the 5th close vote, the flag is immediately considered &quot;helpful&quot;, whereas casting the 5th close vote first and then flagging as &quot;very low quality&quot; doesn't work since that flagging option doesn't exist for closed questions any more." CreationDate="2014-11-30T17:40:37.113" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9215" PostId="1998" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl homework problems should not be flagged as very low quality *in general*. I acknowledge that there is some room for interpretation what questions OP had in mind and in my answer I elaborate under which conditions I consider it appropriate (which might or might not be all the OP had in mind). Anyway, I stand by my assertion that the *default* flag against homework should not be LQ. Yes, closure, is a way how a LQ flag can be cleared. I was talking about what happens if the flag is not cleared by community moderation. (That OP thinks it's obvious does not mean nobody will disagree.)" CreationDate="2014-11-30T17:55:13.467" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9221" PostId="1998" Score="1" Text="It seems that the above comments refer to a list of options different from the 3-item one I get when I click on *flag*: namely (1) spam, (2) offensive, (3) other (needs moderator's attention). The first type of posting arises rarely, and the second almost never. The third is frequent (mostly school homework questions that are not about research-level mathematics by any stretch of the imagination)." CreationDate="2014-11-30T21:37:39.590" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="9222" PostId="1998" Score="1" Text="@JohnBentin I expanded my answer. It seems you are talking about questions that already are [on hold] (though you did not confirm this *despite me asking*) while both Stefan Kohl and me where proposing options for open questions.  The &quot;other&quot; flag is **completely different** from spam and offensive flags. To put them in one list as you did obscures the matter and hints at you misunderstanding the respective effects. The first two *autodelete* the third does not; it really only does what is says, it draws the attention of the mods by creating a notice for moderators in a certain inbox." CreationDate="2014-11-30T22:16:58.457" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9223" PostId="1998" Score="1" Text="@quid: I did not pick up your question before posting my last comment. Probably the questions I am referring to were already &quot;on hold&quot;. But they still clutter the screen, and I flagged them in the (mistaken?) belief that my extra little flagging would help to speed their removal. I did not &quot;put&quot; the 3 options in one list: they are presented on the screen as a single, equally weighted, 3-item list when *flag* is clicked on." CreationDate="2014-11-30T22:43:34.707" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="9224" PostId="1998" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification. What I meant is that you put them in one list for the purpose of this discussion; I should perhaps have said instead treat them as if they were similar. Because, yes, the believe that flagging as &quot;other&quot; speeds their removal is somehow mistaken (at least  it does not speed the process as a &quot;spam&quot; flag does), as said, it only brings the post to mod attention and they might do whatever with the information; they might even delete the post, but even if so, this is not the way the system is designed." CreationDate="2014-11-30T23:22:47.537" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9225" PostId="1998" Score="0" Text="Given the above it is not quite clear to me now what you would your &quot;off topic&quot; flag to do? Is it what the &quot;spam&quot; flag does *or* what you do now does? The two are very different." CreationDate="2014-11-30T23:24:49.887" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9227" PostId="1998" Score="1" Text="@quid: Only after your explanation do I now understand that there are two quite different ways to delete a question; this is not made clear on the menu. Actually, I haven't thought about whether off-topic posts should be removed one way or another. Perhaps they should be removed like spam and trolling, to avoid bothering the moderators, but with a higher number of flags needed to effect the removal. Slightly off the point: all the posts I flagged were removed in the end. So the removal system is working. If it works faster, then the site benefits from the corresponding reduction in clutter." CreationDate="2014-12-01T00:59:41.263" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="9229" PostId="1998" Score="1" Text="With that many really low-level rightly so downvoted and clearly inappropriate questions of 1 rep users on the first few pages, I was already wondering if MO is under some kind of (homework) spam attack at present ... So finding a way to deal with them as efficiently as with other kinds of spam might be beneficial to the site. It already does look cluttered to an outsider ..." CreationDate="2014-12-01T04:54:47.640" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="9238" PostId="1998" Score="0" Text="I am glad we now understand better what we are discussing. In retrospect I did not pay enough attention to the word &quot;removal&quot; and one of your earlier posts in a similar spirit. Sorry about that. Very low quality content is typically deleted within a couple of days (via autodeletion for closed, low scoring questions: closed, without answer, and negative score means gone within a week). To do it faster is tempting but could cause the issue of *good faith&quot; reposts as new OPs might not realize their unsuitable question was deleted on purpose but rather somehow &quot;lost by the system.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-12-01T07:09:40.220" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9239" PostId="1998" Score="2" Text="You should certainly keep downvoting as this has a direct effect. At -4 a question disapears from the frontpage and it can also be relevant for autodeletion." CreationDate="2014-12-01T07:09:57.257" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9217" PostId="1999" Score="0" Text="&quot;... *but then the initial list is already somewhat long,* ...&quot; The initial list has just 3 items (I cut-and-paste; the formatting is lost): &quot;I am flagging this question because&#xA;&#xA;    it is spam This question is effectively an advertisement with no disclosure. It is not useful or relevant, but promotional.&#xA;    it is offensive, abusive, or hate speech This question contains content that a reasonable person would deem inappropriate for respectful discourse.&#xA;    other (needs ♦ moderator attention) This question needs a moderator's attention. Please describe exactly what's wrong.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-30T21:01:32.957" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="9218" PostId="1999" Score="0" Text="Where did you try it/on which question? Was the question open? If it is already on hold, just downvote and leave it alone (except there is a huge problem with it, but then this while not being  offensive is rare)." CreationDate="2014-11-30T21:06:06.103" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9220" PostId="1999" Score="1" Text="The list of options I get when flagging on a site where I have points similar to the amount you have are (and open question with  score 0):  I am flagging this question because: 1. it is spam 2. it is offensive, abusive, or hate speech. 3. it is a duplicate... asked before and already has an answer. 4. it should be closed for another reason...  does not meet this site's standards and should be closed. 5. it is very low quality; has severe formatting or content problems.   6. other." CreationDate="2014-11-30T21:11:38.023" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9231" PostId="1999" Score="0" Text="The massive amount of low-level clearly inappropriate questions posted by 1 rep users looks like a spam attack of some kind or at least very weird to an outside observer. So efforts to deal with them as efficiently as possible by using the features of the software available that do the job, seem reasonable and can not be called inappropriate at present imho..." CreationDate="2014-12-01T05:08:49.213" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="9232" PostId="1999" Score="4" Text="@Dilaton: Spam flags are now automatically fed into a system that works to keep _actual_ spam off the network (not just one particular site). By feeding false positives into the system one is decreasing its effectiveness. Also, [&quot;spam&quot; it not a shorthand for &quot;I don't like this post&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/56224/214632)." CreationDate="2014-12-01T05:20:29.023" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="9233" PostId="1999" Score="0" Text="@ArthurFischer then MO (and not the whole network as keeping up the level is not important for all sites in the network) probably needs a new feature to deal with the present situation ... The first pages of a research-level site flooded with a massive amount of low-level content has thr same effect as a conventional spam attack; and this has nothing to d with any &quot;I personally dont like such questions&quot;. A similar thing happend on Physics SE at the beginning of 2013: The site was suddenly flooded by basic school homework, it was not properly vdealt with, today the level has massively dropped." CreationDate="2014-12-01T05:34:15.437" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="9237" PostId="1999" Score="0" Text="@Dilaton I do not know what specifically you are talking about. Moreover, OP posted something similar a year ago, so it is rather not really something that specific I think. Anyway, there are IMO enough measures in place to deal with this. And, I explained some of them. Casting  moderator flags is not one of them, as also *confirmed by a moderator*. Except one believes there are sockpuppets or whatever in the mix, in which case one should however cast a more specific flag than &quot;off-topic&quot;. In case of an actual *attack* one could resort to using the &quot;offensive/abusive&quot; flag (yet not &quot;spam&quot;)." CreationDate="2014-12-01T07:01:18.067" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9240" PostId="1999" Score="1" Text="@quid the first few pages are full of closed downvoted very low-level stuff posted by 1 rep users. I noted this already a week ago or longer before this meta post appeared and wondered what in the world is going on here ... So to me it looks as if the existing measures to deal with the situation are not really efficient." CreationDate="2014-12-01T07:18:39.197" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="9241" PostId="1999" Score="0" Text="@Dilaton among the last 100 questions I counted about 30 that are on hold. I do not see anything that unusual there; that's the way it is since a long time. Further, if there were users with many points that would see a problem with those questions only getting deleted after about a week they could cast votes to delete. Hardly anybody does, so it seems not like a major concern for that population. Users with not so many points could donwvote the questions so that they dissapear from the front page and get savely deleted later (as I explained). Some of them might do this frequently." CreationDate="2014-12-01T11:02:27.817" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9242" PostId="1999" Score="0" Text="But most do not. (You, for example, cast a grand total of 10 downvotes.) Anyway, I am all for improving the means to keep the site free of off-topic stuff, and I feel I contributed (and continue to contribute though less so) my share to this effort. Even on this very meta question I expanded considerable effort to explain what can be done and to understand what the OP actually wants to achieve and does, since this was not clear, as meanwhile documented. The current proposal is not really a propsal as it is based on a misconception. Do you have a *specific* proposal? (@Dilaton )" CreationDate="2014-12-01T11:08:46.803" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9243" PostId="1999" Score="1" Text="Ok @quid concerning the downvoting. About a more specific proposal I would have to think a bit ..." CreationDate="2014-12-01T11:39:32.360" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="9216" PostId="2000" Score="0" Text="I wasn't keen on the question, but I refrained from voting to close, mainly because of your observation (b). I think I am still ambivalent and will wait to see if a consensus decision emerges :)" CreationDate="2014-11-30T19:11:48.050" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9219" PostId="2000" Score="15" Text="I am aware of (a), and I mean no disrespect to the author when I say this, but questions like this or &quot;Who was the greatest mathematician?&quot; can be entertaining in  private (with enough alcohol). But I am less sure of its place in a public forum like this." CreationDate="2014-11-30T21:07:42.087" UserId="4144" />
  <row Id="9226" PostId="2000" Score="10" Text="Another issue with the question is that the extent to which the resolution of a particular problem advances mathematics often depends also largely on how the resolution looks like (does it give further insights, or is it only a long technical chain of arguments that somehow does the job?) -- and that is usually not known before one has actually solved the conjecture / problem in question." CreationDate="2014-12-01T00:07:08.223" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9228" PostId="2000" Score="10" Text="I'm not sure I find (a) particularly compelling, and it makes me uneasy that the same question asked by user-xyzuv would very likely get closed without a murmur as irremediably subjective and opinion-based (what makes it suddenly appropriate when asked by someone with high rep?). It's a great question for a blog, obviously. As for (b): knock on wood. I'm sorry to say that with the exception of Paul Siegel's answer, the ones that have so far appeared don't look like they were composed with much care. :-(" CreationDate="2014-12-01T03:53:52.047" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9230" PostId="2000" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble: I just saw you welcome Igor Kriz to MO.  Clearly having someone like him is a good thing for MO.  Wouldn't you agree that that gives a compelling argument for (a):  there are a priori reasons (that we can all agree on) for welcoming Igor Kriz rather than user-abcde.  Re the question: I too am ambivalent about how useful it is, but I am sympathetic to fedja's reasoning." CreationDate="2014-12-01T04:56:44.123" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="9234" PostId="2000" Score="13" Text="@Lucia Of course, but I don't see a strong connection with fedja's (a). Kriz gave a very insightful and thoughtful answer, and based on his IRL reputation we can expect more of the same and very much wish to encourage that. Joseph O'Rourke is a very valuable member of our community, to say the least, but in my view the MO-appropriateness of his post is questionable and I *don't* want to encourage the asking of that sort of question, by him or anyone else. What his high rep and intelligence do is make it uncomfortable or at least harder to say this openly." CreationDate="2014-12-01T05:37:15.730" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9235" PostId="2000" Score="4" Text="@ToddTrimble: You make a perfectly valid point of course, although  I still like the idea of cutting more slack to people (posting under their real name) based on their IRL reputation." CreationDate="2014-12-01T05:49:50.970" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="9236" PostId="2000" Score="5" Text="@Lucia I do understand that point of view; thanks. Another interesting test case came up here: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/38639/thinking-and-explaining A part of the problem I'm having with the current question is that it's a crystal-ball question, asking us to imagine (and defend a pov on) a scenario we necessarily have a dim grasp of (cf. Stefan Kohl's comment), whereas Thurston's question was encouraging answers based on deep inner experience." CreationDate="2014-12-01T06:00:46.393" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9244" PostId="2000" Score="2" Text="Perhaps as a compromise, let us keep the question open as long as (b) holds?" CreationDate="2014-12-01T18:44:29.373" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9245" PostId="2000" Score="3" Text="I cast the final vote to reopen.  However, I regard that as tentative.  I might reverse my opinion if we do not get insightful answers in the next couple of days." CreationDate="2014-12-01T19:06:50.483" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="22219" PostId="2000" Score="0" Text="I did not cast any votes either way, but the trouble I see with the question is that it is implicitly asking, &quot;Which subfields of mathematics are the most important?&quot; While this is not as inflammatory as a question about politics, it is opinion-based in a way that seems inappropriate for MO." CreationDate="2020-05-18T21:29:08.903" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="9247" PostId="2002" Score="13" Text="I think independent of what the exact format for meta is, it is important that it is integrated well with the main site -- i.e. in particular that no separate account is needed. Also I think meta should support a means of expressing agreement / disagreement in the form of votes as it does now." CreationDate="2014-12-01T23:31:49.197" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9249" PostId="2002" Score="8" Text="I disagree with the need for a voting mechanism, although Discourse does provide a &quot;liking&quot; mechanism. I would be sad if the desire for complete login integration prevented us from even considering other options. It is _possible_ that Discourse's &quot;single-sign on&quot; plugin would allow authenticating via MathOverflow, but I'm not sure yet." CreationDate="2014-12-02T02:41:45.677" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="9255" PostId="2002" Score="7" Text="IMO login integration is not that important per se, but what is really helpful on the current meta is network-wide reply notification." CreationDate="2014-12-02T13:20:57.730" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9251" PostId="2003" Score="7" Text="Another workaround is for a user to post an answer, which a moderator can turn into a comment." CreationDate="2014-12-02T04:46:19.997" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="9248" PostId="2005" Score="8" Text="Part of my concern is that the only place those &quot;long term discussions&quot; take place anymore is on the private moderator mailing list. I think this is unfortunate for several reasons: 1) We often have bad ideas, which would be shot down more quickly in a wider forum. 2) It makes it hard to recruit new people who take an interest in long term planning for mathoverflow, because the conversations that are actually happening are invisible. 3) It's just not transparent." CreationDate="2014-12-02T02:35:21.903" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="9254" PostId="2006" Score="2" Text="This is a bit misleading since very little happens on the so-called &quot;private moderator mailing list&quot;." CreationDate="2014-12-02T13:19:19.733" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9256" PostId="2006" Score="6" Text="I deleted an earlier more playful comment (mainly as a half-sentence of mine was based on a misunderstanding), but I would still like to record the specific question: why exactly do you feel that you cannot post these thing now, neither here nor on the old meta, but believe that *then* on the *third* meta it will be good?" CreationDate="2014-12-02T13:56:28.907" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9257" PostId="2006" Score="0" Text="@quid, let me guess: Discourse has not just a discussion thread feature and a search feature and a login feature like Vanilla, but also has one or two features in common with this meta that support such discussions.  Hopefully Scott will make those features clear." CreationDate="2014-12-02T16:30:28.090" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9258" PostId="2006" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger according to OP 'we used to have in depth conversations discussing the community and future of mathoverflow, which are now significantly obstructed by the poor software choice at meta.' These discussions happened on that very Vanilla board. I do not see any reason why they could not continue there." CreationDate="2014-12-02T16:51:34.097" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9259" PostId="2006" Score="0" Text="I also think the discussions could continue on Vanilla.  However, Scott's point is that the tie between the Vanilla board and the MathOverflow forum is weak, and there would be more of a challenge to notify users of changes on Vanilla, and less so (or differently and in a better way) using Discourse.  However, I could see a determined group using Vanilla and updating members of this forum.  Gerhard &quot;Has Feet In Both Camps&quot; Paseman, 2014.12.02" CreationDate="2014-12-02T16:58:43.393" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9260" PostId="2006" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman in my answer I propose a very straightforward way to notify users of new posts that I assume will be somewhat rare. As I said in a comment that I then deleted as it was somewhat redundant with JDH's answer the lack of discussion is in my mind not mainly due to the format. Anyway, there is nothing much to be said against the board using a more advanced software. However, if noone has anything to discuss it will be a bit pointless. What would you like to discuss? (I am sorry to say but most of the more recent general debates did not really lead anywhere AFAICT.)" CreationDate="2014-12-02T17:14:38.707" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9261" PostId="2006" Score="0" Text="@quid: in brief: additional promotion efforts, outreach to mathematics in developing countries, considering an adjunct to WDML, and most importantly what to do to grow the current community.  Also, some previous discussions on archiving and content need to be continued." CreationDate="2014-12-02T17:22:10.150" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9262" PostId="2006" Score="1" Text="Okay @GerhardPaseman, what prevented you from  starting the discussions here or on the current tea?" CreationDate="2014-12-02T17:23:47.400" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9263" PostId="2006" Score="0" Text="Partly trying to fulfill some earlier committments.  I am willing to attempt it here because I have a sense of who is here to read it.  I might try it on tea or a new forum, but I will talk to an empty room only so long.  As commented elsewhere, it is important to know who (or at least how many) is listening.  Gerhard &quot;Running Short On Signatures Today&quot; Paseman, 2014.12.02" CreationDate="2014-12-02T17:27:53.900" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9250" PostId="2007" Score="12" Text="Something ventured, something gained.  At last count, no serious casualties from this venture.  I am looking forward to your next question." CreationDate="2014-12-02T04:04:45.967" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9273" PostId="2008" Score="3" Text="I'd like to add to your paragraph 4 in that the polished user experience of the current integration between main and meta probably goes a long way into more participants at meta, not the least of which is the same software being used on both." CreationDate="2014-12-03T15:38:28.977" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="9264" PostId="2014" Score="4" Text="Agreed that this behavior makes no sense in this case.  You should not be penalized for deleting an answered question if all the answers have a negative score." CreationDate="2014-12-03T06:10:15.860" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="9265" PostId="2014" Score="4" Text="I can delete the question for you if you would like that." CreationDate="2014-12-03T10:23:04.350" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="9266" PostId="2014" Score="2" Text="I see no objection for deleting that post. You asked it and you were the only one to answer it, and both the question and the answer have only received downvotes, so I agree with you that the community doesn't seem to give such value to the posts that they should be kept." CreationDate="2014-12-03T10:23:27.360" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9267" PostId="2014" Score="1" Text="If you delete the answer first and only then the question, you might be able to avoid that warning. (I'm not familiar with these aspects of the software, so I can't really tell.) Anyway, I think it would be good to have a way to delete such posts without such a warning and help from moderators." CreationDate="2014-12-03T10:30:24.790" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9268" PostId="2014" Score="1" Text="I think one should always be able to delete own posts with negative score. (As a side effect, this would also discourage people to answer bad questions.)" CreationDate="2014-12-03T10:31:33.397" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9269" PostId="2014" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl while there is an issue with answers given to low quality questions, I think your proposal would do a lot more harm then good. It would also do little to solve the problem you want to solve in parenthesis; for this there'd be other ways." CreationDate="2014-12-03T12:20:33.937" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9270" PostId="2014" Score="1" Text="@quid: What harm do you have in mind -- loosing your answers to bad questions :-)?" CreationDate="2014-12-03T13:42:12.627" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9271" PostId="2014" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl part of the harm would be, yes, that some users might get annoyed by their answers getting deleted. (Me personally not really, though I do have some answers to questions that might be bad,  but I know my fellow MOers from dicussions on such things.) And some askers might try to game the system.  It seems absurd to me to have strong automatic measures against OP deleting answered questions (a single upvote, note upvote not even positive score, on an answer suffices) yet neg score on q should nullify this. Why? Because the neg score hints at the good judgement of OP? :-)" CreationDate="2014-12-03T14:17:54.837" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9280" PostId="2016" Score="3" Text="Do you consider the following as insufficient to promote the other board (if so, why)? 'To inform users of new discussions there we could simply have a meta question: &quot;What are current discussions on tea?&quot; and a new discussion can be announced via an answer.' [Sorry for the second comment I thought the joking start might have overshadowed the question.]" CreationDate="2014-12-04T14:08:21.400" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9281" PostId="2016" Score="3" Text="@quid Just that life overshadowed. I think that is very good solution." CreationDate="2014-12-04T14:14:53.743" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="9282" PostId="2016" Score="0" Text="That's great. And sorry if I was somewhat impatient here; let me also blame life for it. :-)" CreationDate="2014-12-04T16:47:30.037" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9276" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="Thank you, @quid, for adding the reputation tag. Indeed!" CreationDate="2014-12-04T07:17:42.530" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9277" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="If the scores should vary smoothly, I find a sliding time window too abrupt. If I wrote a great answer and got a lot of points on the same day, my sliding window score will suddenly fall when the window passes. A sudden rise on the day of answering sounds perfectly fine but the sudden fall is less desirable. I would prefer a weighted sum of daily points over the last $n$ days where the weight goes nicely to zero as day goes to $\text{today}-n$. Perhaps exponential decay with different decay parameters would give a nice collection of slowly varying scores with different time scales." CreationDate="2014-12-04T08:03:06.630" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9278" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="I used in the past and am fond of weighted averages but here I would not exaggerate. I prefer simplicity and the directness (of the meaning of the periodic scores). This would be my preference. Anyway, a high score will vanish in the $7d$-window but will last longer in the $30d$-window, etc. I wanted things smoother, not smooth :-)" CreationDate="2014-12-04T09:05:03.240" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9283" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="Thank you @JosephO'Rourke for correcting my orthographic errors." CreationDate="2014-12-05T01:21:30.643" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9275" PostId="2018" Score="0" Text="Wow! Thank you, it shoiuld be additional fun. And I'll click on the leagues link." CreationDate="2014-12-04T07:16:44.153" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9279" PostId="2018" Score="0" Text="Your are welcome! The leagues-pages contain some interesting info beyond the winners, nemely how many users made some threshold value of points (window on the right). To monitor this over time gives some insight into the dynamic  of the page as a whole." CreationDate="2014-12-04T11:37:30.643" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9362" PostId="2018" Score="0" Text="I was able to see a league page right after your comment (I think) but now I am dumbfounded. Also, I don't know the exact interpretation of a score which was different from the other, more regular scores." CreationDate="2014-12-12T21:08:49.617" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9365" PostId="2018" Score="0" Text="I am sorry I do not understand your previous comment; the link still works for me. But perhaps you meant something else." CreationDate="2014-12-13T01:07:04.157" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9285" PostId="2021" Score="1" Text="If migration gets rejected, you could also try describing the problem and giving a link in this MO meta thread: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1967/55893" CreationDate="2014-12-07T10:30:09.003" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9286" PostId="2021" Score="2" Text="It seems to me that &quot;they&quot; here is the moderators, and the &quot;rejected&quot; refers to the reply to an informal request and not an actual migration that was rejected. Thus, it might be better to contact the moderators directly, as only they can answer your question. The question that could be addressed here is whether or not the community at large agrees with this decision. If you want to discuss this, you should make it clear." CreationDate="2014-12-07T11:28:07.770" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9287" PostId="2021" Score="1" Text="@quid: Thank you! I hope it's more clear now." CreationDate="2014-12-07T12:04:00.490" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="9288" PostId="2021" Score="0" Text="@quid: I think that in this case it's preferable to ask on meta.MO because it might be the case that some users may think this question is a good fit, and perhaps these users are sufficiently knowledgeable in the relevant fields so that their opinion can be taken seriously by the moderators, and the question can/will be migrated. It might also be good that to know, at least once (or twice?) why do the moderators think a question shouldn't be migrated. At least for future reference." CreationDate="2014-12-07T12:41:36.240" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9289" PostId="2021" Score="0" Text="@Asaf I am not sure you saw the original version of the question that asked only *why* it was rejected (the answer to which is obvious from the transcribed conversation on the flags). I agree the current version is alright as a question. To insist on this change might be a bit nit-picking, but an implicit goal was also to make clear what &quot;rejection&quot; means in this case, which I thought was relevant as &quot;rejected migration&quot; has as you know a specific technical meaning other than the current usage." CreationDate="2014-12-07T12:48:53.483" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9290" PostId="2021" Score="1" Text="@quid: Admittedly, I didn't check the previous versions. I agree with your assessment, too." CreationDate="2014-12-07T13:59:41.887" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9291" PostId="2023" Score="7" Text="You might have posted this in http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1967/interesting-and-not-sufficiently-answered-questions-on-math-se" CreationDate="2014-12-07T19:04:58.080" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9298" PostId="2023" Score="2" Text="@quid Thank you very much for pointing out that thread (of which I was not aware). However, as the questions already has a fantastic answer by Georges Elencwajg, it doesn't feel right to me to say that it was not &quot;sufficiently answered&quot;. Still, I would really appreciate to see the point of view of different people on this topic because, as prof. T. Gowers noted in *The Princeton Companion to Mathematics* (p. 1000), &quot;what was more surprising was that there was remarkably little overlap between the contributions&quot;." CreationDate="2014-12-07T19:51:57.180" UserDisplayName="user60665" />
  <row Id="9517" PostId="2023" Score="0" Text="I went to &quot;***this question***&quot; right away, on Dec 14, left 4 answers, got two irrelevant  (hence offensive) comments, and have removed my answers--a logical reaction." CreationDate="2014-12-20T21:20:43.447" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9518" PostId="2023" Score="8" Text="It is soo... general! Yes, most of us have a lot to say on the subject (though one friend of mine firmly believes that everybody sees things and thinks about them in their own way and all we can share and teach is a formal record of our achievements and, in exceptional cases, failures; the point of view we argue endlessly about). However, good books on this have already been written and unless you tell clearly what is missing there for you or what points seem to require further discussion, you'll just be learning the value of ${100 \choose 10}$. Interesting, perhaps, but such a waste of time!" CreationDate="2014-12-21T01:27:49.483" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="9292" PostId="2024" Score="11" Text="It is important to note that the PhysicsOverflow site gives proper attribution and links back to the original questions on MathOverflow (at the bottom of each imported post)." CreationDate="2014-12-07T19:23:02.547" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="9293" PostId="2024" Score="8" Text="I know that, but it still seems weird that they have essentially created accounts for a lot of users here without actually checking with them first. Attribution is important, but it still seems weird for a website to auto-populate itself with content and users without permission in some way. Maybe it's just me?" CreationDate="2014-12-07T19:27:07.660" UserId="1703" />
  <row Id="9294" PostId="2024" Score="8" Text="For example, I am a &quot;Registered user&quot; on this website, despite having never heard of it before today, and certainly never signing up for it." CreationDate="2014-12-07T19:28:31.640" UserId="1703" />
  <row Id="9296" PostId="2024" Score="2" Text="There is a short section in the PhysicsOverflow site FAQ dealing with importing questions from the StackExchange network: http://www.physicsoverflow.org/faq#a10645" CreationDate="2014-12-07T19:43:44.917" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="9297" PostId="2024" Score="12" Text="Importing content should not be an issue, this is what the CC licence is for. Creating accounts may be another matter." CreationDate="2014-12-07T19:47:55.507" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9299" PostId="2024" Score="6" Text="Maybe it is also important for this discussion to remember the [purpose](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1608/30967) of PhysicsOverflow. We will probably respond here in more detail shortly to explain ourself. Our importing of MO questions that are of importance for theoretical physicists too is by no means intended to do any harm to MO or to disrespect its members.  We highly appreciate the MathOverflow community, and what it has achieved for mathematics serves us as a (not sure how realistic for us) role model for what we would like to achieve by PhysicsOverflow for the physics community too." CreationDate="2014-12-07T21:50:14.210" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="9302" PostId="2024" Score="8" Text="The issue of imported user accounts which give the impression that users participate on Physics Overflow that actually never used the site has been raised by several Physics.SE users in the past. The Physics Overflow adminstrators have declined so far to implement a solution to this issue." CreationDate="2014-12-07T22:21:41.653" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="9306" PostId="2024" Score="3" Text="@MadScientist No, we have not declined to implement a solution, but a clear solution was never really proposed on Physics.SE. I hope the new change on the users page makes it clearer." CreationDate="2014-12-08T03:08:03.970" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9316" PostId="2024" Score="4" Text="IMHO, a true scientist should rather be concerned with the dissemination of knowledge; leave &quot;intellectual property&quot; issues to Hollywood. In this particular case, the more people learn about these questions/answers, the better." CreationDate="2014-12-09T10:33:09.920" UserId="44953" />
  <row Id="9350" PostId="2024" Score="3" Text="@AlexDegtyarev At least for me, the first thing that struck me as a potential problem was not the questions and answers, but the creation of the users. But seeing the responses from the moderators of the site, it seems that there is nothing to worry about at all." CreationDate="2014-12-11T12:40:20.137" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="9472" PostId="2024" Score="1" Text="Regarding the new edits, (1) That's surprising, the link works for me, even when logged out. Are you sure this is not a problem on your side? (2) The SE API/data dumps provides us with the MD5 encrypted hashes of the user emails, so we check the email from which the reclamation request was sent against the hashes. If they don't match, we take other measures to solve the issue (e.g. asking the user to add a short code on his about me for verification). The account details are not revealed if there is any suspicion of identity theft." CreationDate="2014-12-17T05:05:11.897" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9473" PostId="2024" Score="1" Text="@Dimensio1n0 - It's possible it's a problem on my side, yes. I just clicked on the link on the &quot;user&quot; page though, and got a 404. So I don't know exactly what on my end would cause that." CreationDate="2014-12-17T07:12:41.670" UserId="1703" />
  <row Id="9474" PostId="2024" Score="2" Text="That said, I'm glad there is a way to ensure that user accounts are not so easily co-opted." CreationDate="2014-12-17T07:13:05.450" UserId="1703" />
  <row Id="9485" PostId="2024" Score="0" Text="@SimonRose I suppose this maybe getting off-topic here, so could you share a screenshot of the 404 error in a mail to admin@physicsoverflow.org (or on a post on the PhysicsOverflow meta if you're fine with that), so we could find out the exact cause of the error?" CreationDate="2014-12-18T04:21:34.247" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9486" PostId="2024" Score="0" Text="@Dimensio1n0 - I just checked again and it doesn't seem to be a problem now. That said, the link seems to have changed - originally it was http://physicsoverflow.org/imported%20account and now it is http://physicsoverflow.org/imported-account, so something seems to have changed on your end. But it works now." CreationDate="2014-12-18T08:33:23.857" UserId="1703" />
  <row Id="9491" PostId="2024" Score="0" Text="@SimonRose Ok I see - the first time, you probably clicked the link exactly when I was changing the URL of the page to imported-account." CreationDate="2014-12-19T04:46:08.680" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9300" PostId="2025" Score="2" Text="On the user accounts: as far as I saw, but really I did not look closely, the profile says that the user has not yet signed up. See for example http://www.physicsoverflow.org/user/john+mangual the parenthetical remark on the right below activity. Possibly this should be more visible, I do not really know." CreationDate="2014-12-07T21:51:31.473" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9301" PostId="2025" Score="2" Text="@quid It says &quot;Type:	Registered user - send private message&quot;, and only under &quot;Activity&quot; you find the note: &quot;(This user is not yet participating on PhysicsOverflow, but we hope they will)&quot;&#xA;You might decide that you are not offended by this, because of the good intentions. However, Scott is right that it is not OK, in a certain sense." CreationDate="2014-12-07T22:05:01.490" UserId="20781" />
  <row Id="9303" PostId="2025" Score="1" Text="@ThomasKlimpel yes, it is prone to misunderstanding; either on purpose or (more likely) out of convenience. My mention of the exact location of the info can be taken as a hint that I do not consider it as very visible or clear either. I have no intention to judge or to defend this site. I only meant to point out that *something* is done to distinguish actual user accounts from dummy user pages. So that whether &quot;creating user accounts without permission&quot; happens or not is arguably less clear than OP suggests." CreationDate="2014-12-07T22:28:21.623" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9304" PostId="2025" Score="5" Text="General comment, sites such as ResearchGate, LindIn, probably others, pull this kind of crap, one thing is to send out fake invitations from people who are already on the site, supposedly requesting your participation, &quot;friend&quot; status, and so on. Took me a long time to realize that the initial invitation that got me onto one or more such sites was probably fake. I did, eventually, figure out how to send all email from the sites to trash." CreationDate="2014-12-08T00:51:43.017" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9307" PostId="2025" Score="2" Text="I have now added a short text at the top of the users page (the only page where it can leading to misunderstanding) on PhysicsOverflow, I hope it's better now. @WillJagy Please don't compare the tactics of Linked-ln and ResearchGate to PhysicsOverflow, we do want to provide as much clarity as possible regarding the issue of importing, and certainly do not intend to mislead anybody into registering. Apologies for the confusion due to this issue, I hope the new text makes it better." CreationDate="2014-12-08T03:21:08.193" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9308" PostId="2025" Score="6" Text="Okay; having had a look around I'm satisfied that the import procedure is reasonable, both for posts and users." CreationDate="2014-12-08T03:49:16.460" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="9529" PostId="2025" Score="1" Text="... How can it be without permission when the license already gave permission?" CreationDate="2014-12-23T16:11:28.333" UserId="5308" />
  <row Id="9566" PostId="2025" Score="1" Text="@SamB, assuming you're talking about importing questions, rather than creating user accounts, it's important that the license does _not_ grant blanket permission to reproduce content from MathOverflow --- it requires attribution, in quite specific forms." CreationDate="2015-01-05T20:42:34.543" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="9579" PostId="2025" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison: I was referring to your first paragraph." CreationDate="2015-01-09T00:36:09.363" UserId="5308" />
  <row Id="9309" PostId="2026" Score="3" Text="Perhaps I wasn't clear; I honestly was trying to get a feel from the community as to whether or not I should be concerned about this. My initial reaction was that this seemed weird, but it seems that my misgivings were misplaced." CreationDate="2014-12-08T07:55:58.757" UserId="1703" />
  <row Id="9325" PostId="2026" Score="3" Text="I'd be very happy to see my account there deleted. It only appears because of one comment I made on http://www.physicsoverflow.org/16345/why-does-bosonic-string-theory-require-spacetime-dimensions regarding the original title that was full of spaces." CreationDate="2014-12-09T18:17:21.540" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9328" PostId="2026" Score="13" Text="I also am **very** annoyed that my account was copied.  My name is my academic &quot;brand&quot;, so to speak, so I like to have control over where I have accounts." CreationDate="2014-12-09T19:30:03.917" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="9344" PostId="2026" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila Your account has been deleted as requested." CreationDate="2014-12-10T05:15:15.047" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9345" PostId="2026" Score="3" Text="@AndyPutman Your account has also been deleted as requested. Any other users who would like their PO accounts to be deleted can write a mail to admin [at] physicsoverflow⋅org or comment here." CreationDate="2014-12-10T05:17:22.913" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9346" PostId="2026" Score="1" Text="Thank you very much!" CreationDate="2014-12-10T05:18:56.203" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9347" PostId="2026" Score="3" Text="I also want to thank you very much for being so responsive to my request!" CreationDate="2014-12-10T05:31:20.857" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="9443" PostId="2026" Score="8" Text="Please delete me. I agree in the strongest possible manner with what Pete Clark has said. You have no way of knowing if I had or have any interest in participating on your site or indeed any other Physics site or any other StackOverflow site." CreationDate="2014-12-16T16:46:28.140" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9469" PostId="2026" Score="2" Text="Please delete my &quot;account&quot; also - I am only on there because of some minor comments. If and when I would like to participate I will sign up." CreationDate="2014-12-17T01:47:26.190" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="9470" PostId="2026" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts Your account is deleted as requested." CreationDate="2014-12-17T04:38:46.007" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9471" PostId="2026" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi Your account has been deleted too, as requested." CreationDate="2014-12-17T04:39:41.297" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9319" PostId="2028" Score="1" Text="For now, I have simply made the notice &quot;This user is not yet...&quot; red to increase prominence. For the other changes, I would need to contact our system developer (as the changes would need to be made in the core code). However, I would like some clarity on the exact suggestions first: (1) Would it be better if it were just blank? (2) Would &quot;Earliest post&quot; be a better caption? (3) Would it be better if the word &quot;User&quot; were omitted and it just read &quot;John Doe&quot;? What we really want to do is be absolutely clear on both aspects that (a) the account is imported and (b) the account can be reclaimed. So" CreationDate="2014-12-09T16:48:37.130" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9320" PostId="2028" Score="1" Text="I think that stating &quot;Imported content from John Doe&quot; would not really do the latter goal justice." CreationDate="2014-12-09T16:49:23.453" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9321" PostId="2028" Score="3" Text="If you'd like to advertise that the account can be reclaimed, you can add a note about that (&quot;If you are &lt;user name&gt; from &lt;other site&gt;, you can activate this PhysicsOverflow account by &lt;necessary actions&gt;.&quot;).  That would be clearer than mixing it in with the other concerns." CreationDate="2014-12-09T16:58:09.073" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="9322" PostId="2028" Score="7" Text="Basically, my feeling is that it's best to err on the side of caution.  There are creepy sites out there that auto-generate accounts for hypothetical users, sometimes with dishonest intent and sometimes apparently innocently.  It's best for non-creepy sites to set a good example by being extra clear." CreationDate="2014-12-09T17:07:32.310" UserId="4720" />
  <row Id="9324" PostId="2028" Score="1" Text="Apart from making it clear that imported accounts are imported but can be reclaimed, I think we should also keep (at least implicitely) conveying that owners of imported accounts are welcome to join the community and &quot;actively&quot; contribute if they feel like." CreationDate="2014-12-09T17:19:51.627" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="9349" PostId="2028" Score="2" Text="@HenryCohn Thanks for the clarifications - I've sent the necessary feature requests to our system developer." CreationDate="2014-12-10T14:21:56.520" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9318" PostId="2029" Score="2" Text="What I want to know is, why, when you ask people who wish to close a question to state their concerns, they don't? In the case of Noah S (as you can see from our conversation in the Comments), I was willing to address his concerns and would have been willing to address theirs as well." CreationDate="2014-12-09T16:15:11.900" UserId="20597" />
  <row Id="9330" PostId="2029" Score="0" Text="@ThomasBenjamin Yes, that would be nice. Three of the closers have professional interests in this area and could probably articulate such concerns, if they still apply (I think Noah S does too, but he was not one of the closers). Some people vote to close because they see no reason to disagree with other closers, as expressed here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1954/why-this-is-off-topic#comment8933_1954 -- based on that stance, I wouldn't expect them to state their concerns." CreationDate="2014-12-09T20:08:03.950" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9326" PostId="2030" Score="5" Text="It might be worth adding that to vote one needs to (at least I think so) click on the left tag of the two to get to its page where the voting possibility is." CreationDate="2014-12-09T19:10:32.720" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9331" PostId="2030" Score="2" Text="There is no way to discuss the synonyms suggested through this system, or is there?" CreationDate="2014-12-09T22:28:48.440" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9351" PostId="2030" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek for all I know, no.  If you do not approve of one, you can downvote it, and if it reaches score -2  (or something like this) it is deleted." CreationDate="2014-12-11T17:40:07.807" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9334" PostId="2032" Score="0" Text="This seems a bit restrictive." CreationDate="2014-12-10T00:35:41.567" UserId="43445" />
  <row Id="9335" PostId="2032" Score="0" Text="Possibly. But, others think allowing to split would be unfair. See for example http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2786/accept-multiple-answers-or-split-bounty-among-several-users for discussion. (Personally I have no specific opinion; I just report the situation &quot;as is.&quot;)" CreationDate="2014-12-10T00:39:45.233" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9343" PostId="2032" Score="0" Text="You call them as you see them? You could be a whale biologist!" CreationDate="2014-12-10T04:30:43.533" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9353" PostId="2036" Score="0" Text="It reproduces always currently; I guess that the StackExchange App could be the culprit as it keeps track of one's recent questions. I will delete it and recheck." CreationDate="2014-12-12T10:47:30.780" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="9354" PostId="2036" Score="0" Text="The same happens on my Smartphone after I have removed the StackExchange App; so it doesn't depend on the device." CreationDate="2014-12-12T10:53:04.577" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="9355" PostId="2036" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl could you try to open a question from my account? That would clarify, whether it is a server issue." CreationDate="2014-12-12T10:54:20.260" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="9356" PostId="2036" Score="0" Text="just tried the following: log out, open a question (yielded the blank input area, as expected); with that opened question, I logged in and the formerly blank areas were immediately filled with my most recent question." CreationDate="2014-12-12T11:01:28.843" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="9357" PostId="2036" Score="0" Text="editing and saving a different question of mine did not change the behavior." CreationDate="2014-12-12T11:26:03.383" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="9358" PostId="2036" Score="2" Text="Are you sure it really opens your last question for editing, rather than open a new question (as expected) and prefill the textarea with the text of the previous question? Try to clear the browser's cache and whatever else it might remember." CreationDate="2014-12-12T12:05:23.207" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9359" PostId="2036" Score="0" Text="It could be that only the headline, text and tags are prefilled, but the same happens on different devices and for different browsers; that is why I suspect that it is a server issue (maybe related to autosaving)." CreationDate="2014-12-12T12:35:03.133" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="9360" PostId="2036" Score="1" Text="It may or may not be a server issue, but the first question is whether it is a serious issue (cannot ask new questions) or a minor glitch (have to press the delete key before writing up a new question). So, please, do check if it is just prefilled text, or an actual edit of the old question." CreationDate="2014-12-12T13:39:50.347" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9361" PostId="2036" Score="3" Text="It seems to be prefilled text; I made a minor change in the title and tied to submit; that was rejected due to the similarity with the original question. So it was not seen as an edit of the question, but as a new question." CreationDate="2014-12-12T14:03:29.350" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="9363" PostId="2037" Score="2" Text="You might as well keep the post here.  People might want to hit the &quot;edit&quot; button to see how you did what you did ." CreationDate="2014-12-12T21:51:29.813" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="9364" PostId="2037" Score="1" Text="Or, they might want go to the flair tab on their own profile, where they get the explanation, a ready-made code including the proper user ID, and a description of the available customization options." CreationDate="2014-12-12T22:24:49.160" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9368" PostId="2037" Score="0" Text="Let's copy the same flair code snippet here, and see whar happens: &lt;a href=&quot;http://mathoverflow.net/users/8385/w%c5%82odzimierz-holszty%c5%84ski&quot;&gt;&#xA;&lt;img src=&quot;http://mathoverflow.net/users/flair/8385.png&quot; width=&quot;208&quot; height=&quot;58&quot; alt=&quot;profile for Włodzimierz Holsztyński at MathOverflow, Q&amp;amp;A for professional mathematicians&quot; title=&quot;profile for Włodzimierz Holsztyński at MathOverflow, Q&amp;amp;A for professional mathematicians&quot;&gt;&#xA;&lt;/a&gt;" CreationDate="2014-12-13T06:18:04.940" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9369" PostId="2037" Score="0" Text="At least we see the code. *Width &amp; height* can be controlled, while I don't see any way to change the *color*." CreationDate="2014-12-13T06:20:47.007" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9370" PostId="2037" Score="0" Text="Finally, this time I payed attention to the instruction, to some small extra info. Thank you @EmilJeřábek." CreationDate="2014-12-13T06:37:23.833" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="9375" PostId="2037" Score="0" Text="Note that changing the default size is not really advisable. The flair thing is a low-resolution bitmap image, hence any resizing makes it blurry (or pixelated, depending on the parameters and the underlying anti-aliasing technology)." CreationDate="2014-12-13T13:43:53.907" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9378" PostId="2037" Score="0" Text="Is this question just a flair sandbox?" CreationDate="2014-12-13T15:25:18.233" UserId="54409" />
  <row Id="9366" PostId="2038" Score="5" Text="Yes, it is bad form to pester someone who is not replying to comments. On the other hand, it is perfectly acceptable to contact someone as in the scenario in your third paragraph." CreationDate="2014-12-13T03:03:19.827" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="9367" PostId="2038" Score="6" Text="You might want to check &quot;seen&quot; on the user page to see if the user is still active/was active in the interim." CreationDate="2014-12-13T03:25:57.463" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9373" PostId="2038" Score="2" Text="You can always leave a comment on one of the user's posts &quot;May I send you an email with some ...&quot; and see what they have to say about that." CreationDate="2014-12-13T09:19:33.557" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9387" PostId="2038" Score="4" Text="I have only once been contacted by email about something to do with MO. This was from a researcher who had seen a question of mine and had a question about it (and who was not able to comment due to only having signed up when he saw that question). This was of course one of the good examples (and I doubt if I am active enough in closures and similar to be likely to attract the bad kind yet)." CreationDate="2014-12-15T09:14:09.613" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="9408" PostId="2038" Score="0" Text="Thanks to all for the replies, they have been very helpful." CreationDate="2014-12-15T19:10:50.787" UserId="35158" />
  <row Id="9520" PostId="2038" Score="0" Text="@Tobias: The bad kind could be cranks sending you mathematical spam." CreationDate="2014-12-21T22:56:56.780" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9374" PostId="2039" Score="3" Text="If a question has been modified or received an answer, you can click on the field which states something like &quot;Active  N days ago&quot; (to the right side of the question) and be directed to the position of the latest activity. See, for example, the top right of this page: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/189106/is-any-connected-fibre-of-a-fibration-of-a-sphere-also-a-sphere  Alternatively, you can always visit the timeline page for the thread: https://mathoverflow.net/posts/189106/timeline" CreationDate="2014-12-13T10:52:00.070" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="9382" PostId="2040" Score="3" Text="&quot;Note also that the user name may actually not be the name of the person using the account.&quot;  And, I was wondering all this time in  which language &quot;Avenger, The Masked&quot; was a common name. :-) Kidding aside, this is actually a useful remark since some pseudonyms can be deceptive." CreationDate="2014-12-13T18:13:09.120" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9381" PostId="2042" Score="4" Text="If your answer is long you might at least consider to &quot;edit&quot; instead to comment, so that the info is towards the start." CreationDate="2014-12-13T15:40:07.137" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9376" PostId="2043" Score="0" Text="Thank you and @RicardoAndrade for the explications. Well I have no idea why ssssssh but... :)" CreationDate="2014-12-13T15:23:14.753" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9377" PostId="2043" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე ***;)***" CreationDate="2014-12-13T15:23:35.007" UserId="54409" />
  <row Id="9384" PostId="2046" Score="5" Text="Although mathematical issues about posts that were closed/deleted/flagged as spam are **NOT** okay. Especially if those are outside the user's obvious field of expertise; and even more so if you also write to his M.Sc. advisor, his Ph.D. advisor and another unrelated mathematician in their field (which, again, has nothing to do with the original MO question)." CreationDate="2014-12-13T22:05:07.433" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9385" PostId="2046" Score="0" Text="(Yes, to those that ask, I did receive something like that not long ago.)" CreationDate="2014-12-13T22:05:26.890" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9407" PostId="2046" Score="1" Text="Since I am asking about community standard, I will accept this as the (community) highest rated answer.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-12-15T19:10:18.180" UserId="35158" />
  <row Id="9388" PostId="2049" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification; so the App lets one see more than is ordinarily possible - its a feature, not a bug." CreationDate="2014-12-15T09:30:31.013" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="9389" PostId="2049" Score="0" Text="When the notification was sent, the comment existed.  Deleting (or changing) the comment does not affect the notification." CreationDate="2014-12-15T12:56:42.650" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="9390" PostId="2049" Score="4" Text="Useful to know.  Sometimes I have posted a comment, then soon deleted it when I saw it was nonsense.  But notifications may have been sent anyway!" CreationDate="2014-12-15T12:58:17.063" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="9401" PostId="2049" Score="0" Text="Is this really not a bug?  It seems to me that a never-seen notification should disappear if the comment was deleted." CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:42:14.243" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="9402" PostId="2049" Score="2" Text="@EricWofsey: This is not on the main site, so it depends on the app and the type of notification it sends. Some types of notifications have no retraction capabilities (e.g. you can't unsend emails)." CreationDate="2014-12-15T14:07:09.263" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="24742" PostId="2049" Score="1" Text="Sometimes (all right, quite often) a comment convinces me that my answer is incorrect, so I delete it, but before I like to answer to the comment acknowledging my mistake. Do I get it right that I can delete me answer straightaway, as the notification will be seen by the person addressed?" CreationDate="2021-01-20T17:13:52.467" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="9391" PostId="2050" Score="1" Text="I cannot reproduce this." CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:14:02.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9392" PostId="2050" Score="0" Text="Hmmnnnn.. It definitely reproduces for me. I am using Chrome on Windows. But the weird thing is that I just tried IE, and then I don't see that tab at all. In fact, I don't even know what a &quot;favorite user&quot; is..." CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:19:11.067" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9393" PostId="2050" Score="0" Text="I noticed now also a further error: on that favorite users tab, when I mouse hover over a user, a different user's information comes up." CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:21:57.903" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9394" PostId="2050" Score="3" Text="Interesting. What is the favorite user tab even? I just followed the link, but how does one arrove there normally." CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:22:55.867" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9395" PostId="2050" Score="0" Text="For me, it appears as one of the tabs on the user page. But only in Chrome, and not in IE." CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:23:28.600" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9396" PostId="2050" Score="0" Text="But it is very odd, since it is like the page loads normally, and then is quickly changed to add that tab." CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:26:02.180" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9397" PostId="2050" Score="0" Text="Strange. I do not see this in Chrome either (neither the tab nor is there anything odd when I follow your link); same in Firefox and IE." CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:28:28.983" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9398" PostId="2050" Score="1" Text="I added a screenshot." CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:32:34.060" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9399" PostId="2050" Score="3" Text="Maybe they show this just to you so that you also have some competition point-wise. :-)" CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:35:47.273" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9400" PostId="2050" Score="3" Text="Yeah, I feel like a mere inaccessible cardinal to their superstrongness and almost hugeness..." CreationDate="2014-12-15T13:39:13.153" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9403" PostId="2050" Score="8" Text="It seems that you have one tab more than I (and quid) do. Your link leads me to the reputation tab as if there was no favorite tab at all. Have you always had that tab, or is it a recent superpower?" CreationDate="2014-12-15T14:35:31.823" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9404" PostId="2050" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure; I just happened to notice it and click on it today. I seem to have it on all the SE sites, and it seems to work sensibly on the StackOverflow site." CreationDate="2014-12-15T14:37:20.120" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9405" PostId="2050" Score="1" Text="I don't see this tab!" CreationDate="2014-12-15T18:18:06.857" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9406" PostId="2050" Score="0" Text="I looked at the source, and this favorites tab does not appear in the same &lt;div&gt; with the others; the only place the word &quot;favorite&quot; appears in the html source is in the line:  &lt;meta property=&quot;og:url&quot; content=&quot;http://meta.mathoverflow.net/users?tab=favorite&quot;/&gt;&#xA;." CreationDate="2014-12-15T19:06:19.737" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9409" PostId="2050" Score="0" Text="I retagged [meta-tag:support] to save some moderator the effort of adding a status-tag for the bug-tag." CreationDate="2014-12-15T19:29:54.340" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9412" PostId="2052" Score="2" Text="What if it said &quot;content contributors&quot; instead of &quot;users&quot;? What I would like to understand is what is your specific misgiving. If they want to import content you created here, they can do so as much as they like and they **should do it** if they like. This is the main point of having a permissive licence here. They'd also have to say it is from you. This is also given by the licence." CreationDate="2014-12-15T22:11:15.003" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9413" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="@quid: If you look at an imported post, there is a line at the bottom saying something like “this post imported from MathOverflow, posted by SE user XYZ”, including a link to the original post and to the MO profile of the user in question. This, by itself, is a quite adequate way of attribution as per the license. There is no need to additionally create and publicly display a *user* *profile* for the author of the imported post." CreationDate="2014-12-15T22:29:08.133" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9414" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek granted (and I was not unaware of it), but my point is that it might be   really debatable what is more adequate in such a case: to link all the content of some author together and to mention the authors prominently *or* not to mention at all visibly the amount of content due to authors' not members of the site. Somebody could then complain  for a different reason like: look how much content there is imported, but they give the impression, at first glance, all the content is due to the users of the site. The true authors are only mentioned in a footnote. Or something like this." CreationDate="2014-12-15T22:43:42.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9415" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the reply; your objection is now more clear to me. Just to be clear: I have nothing to do with this  specific site and not even any particular sympathy for it, at least not anymore since quite a while (due the conduct of at least one of the representatives of that site in the SE network, though this is not directly relevant to that site). I was really curious about the general problematic." CreationDate="2014-12-15T22:56:51.143" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9416" PostId="2052" Score="0" Text="On your further added, see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1608/physicsoverflow-just-went-live for the announcement on this site. Roughly, and I do not really know or even want to know the details, a couple users of Physics.SE had some major issues with the site and Se in general and are now trying to make their own site or perhaps sites http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/16735/" CreationDate="2014-12-15T23:32:00.657" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9417" PostId="2052" Score="0" Text="@quid: Thanks.  Upon further reflection I deleted the &quot;Further added&quot;.  Although I was only giving information that was freely provided, it still felt a little like I was calling someone out for something whose relevance was less than clear." CreationDate="2014-12-15T23:53:19.853" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="9420" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="Apologies, but most of this answer is just factually incorrect; the moderators and their names are accessible quite easily from the &quot;Special users&quot; tab under the &quot;Users&quot; page. See http://physicsoverflow.org/users/special. The imported users are now not at all displayed as users of the site. There is no reason to change &quot;user&quot; to &quot;content contributor&quot; because the user pages now just say &quot;John Doe&quot; not &quot;User John Doe&quot; for imported users. It does not say that you &quot;first posted 3 years ago&quot; - it says your first posted import was done three years ago." CreationDate="2014-12-16T04:49:48.690" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9421" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="The founders have not &quot;taken care to remain anonymous&quot; - you can find our names easily as previously mentioned. We are not using your name to promote the site - the part on the user not participating on PhysicsOverflow isn't fine print, it's red and stands out as the clearest text on the page besides perhaps the site logo. Under type, it says &quot;Imported user&quot; now, and does not say that you've registered as a user on PO. Regarding the particular case of your account being imported, I suppose you had posted on TP.SE, all of whose users are imported. Would you like your account deleted?" CreationDate="2014-12-16T05:02:47.877" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9422" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="@quid Hm, it would be good if you could point to a specific place or event where you consider the &quot;conduct of a PO representative on an SE site&quot; to be poor? By the way, PO is mostly community-run, with the moderators having special priviledges just to execute the will of the community..." CreationDate="2014-12-16T05:05:51.273" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9423" PostId="2052" Score="0" Text="@Dimensio1n0 I am not sure. Possibly I should not have phrased thing in that way here, as it is really not relevant to the current dicussion, but since you ask. I consider for example (not from you) [&quot;Maybe a certain user even got paid by SE for carving a breach into the tight knitted community some months ago, such that the unnedded mod elections can definitely install the 0815 heavily oppressive overmoderation atmosphere present on most parts of the network.&quot;](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/17595/2014-moderator-election-qa-question-collection/17627#comment65890_17627)" CreationDate="2014-12-16T07:20:56.310" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9424" PostId="2052" Score="0" Text="@Dimensio1n0: You can easily find the names of 3/5 of the moderators (only one of whom, I noticed, is an actual professional researcher in physics)." CreationDate="2014-12-16T07:23:42.800" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="9425" PostId="2052" Score="0" Text="as something between slanderous and ridicolous; not quite sure what it is more. And there are plenty of similar examples. In addition to it being generally questionable why somebody with essentially almost no involvement in the site feels the need to participate that much in the election thread in such a way. But let us stop this here as it is somewhat off-topic; sorry for having started this. If you want we can discuss this is chat. @Dimensio1n0" CreationDate="2014-12-16T07:25:13.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9426" PostId="2052" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman Strange, even when logged-out, I can see all five moderators. Are you sure you see only three?" CreationDate="2014-12-16T08:09:47.963" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9427" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="@quid I guess he was only trying to prevent Maths.SE from going through the same issues that Physics.SE did, but OK, I understand what you mean now, and sorry for that." CreationDate="2014-12-16T08:10:18.410" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9428" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="Regarding your latest edits... As earlier mentioned, the &quot;first posted&quot; clearly says &quot;imported&quot;. Indeed, in your case, you didn't post anything which got imported either - this is because you were a user on TP.SE. Sorry for this, and I have deleted your PO account. The &quot;3 years ago&quot; is the time at which you created your TP.SE account, and that time stamp was imported by our import plugin. I do not wish to repeat how the fact that you do not use, contribute to, or endorse the site is the second-most clear thing on the page. As for the legal implications, all user-generate content on SE is" CreationDate="2014-12-16T12:20:58.880" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9429" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="licensed under the CC-BY-SA license, and your submission of your name to SE is, also, a user contribution. As long as it is mentioned that you are an imported user, this is not a violation of the license at all." CreationDate="2014-12-16T12:22:40.743" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9430" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="By the way, I must clarify that the email you received was **before** you posted this answer - and not even relevant to the topic of this thread. A moderator has every right to stay anonymous; Dilaton was not only the main driving force in the founding of the site, but also was elected in a moderator election. I don't mean to offend anybody, but it's the site's community which has the right to elect anyone it pleases to. There are many SE sites (some that you participate on too...) which have completely anonymous moderators." CreationDate="2014-12-16T12:48:55.990" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9432" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="Regarding deleting users who were accidentally imported from TP.SE without any content, I have already contacted polarkernel (our system developer) to write a script that does the same. Thanks for the feedback." CreationDate="2014-12-16T13:37:50.863" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9433" PostId="2052" Score="5" Text="The license only covers copy rights. The issue here has nothing to do with copyright, it is about personality rights protection. I am not a layer so I do not know whether it is within the actual legal boundaries or not, but as it is a sensitive issue to people, you should avoid even getting close. If you intend to run a reputable site, your number one concern should be that You Don’t Mess With People. This should also be your number two concern, and number three concern." CreationDate="2014-12-16T13:57:43.737" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9434" PostId="2052" Score="3" Text="Your number four concern should be transparent accountability: you need to indicate clearly who (an actual person or company) is legally responsible for running the site. Moderator election does not enter it." CreationDate="2014-12-16T13:58:55.843" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9435" PostId="2052" Score="2" Text="Regarding your edits again; (2) Ok, I understand now. The requested information can be found here: http://physicsoverflow.org/8348 , which is a public official post. (3) Upon further thought, you are right that the usernames do not come under the purview of the CC-BY-SA license. Maybe I just don't interpret the term &quot;user&quot; in the same way as you do... So if I understand correctly, you are asking that the term &quot;user&quot; be removed everywhere from the profile pages, right? E.g. &quot;Imported account&quot; instead of &quot;Imported user&quot;? In that case, OK, the change will be done as soon as possible." CreationDate="2014-12-16T15:01:51.097" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9437" PostId="2052" Score="5" Text="@Dimensio1n0: Yes, exactly.  Also, contrary to what I said before: obviously making this change would take real work and would be a good faith effort.  If you do it, I **would** consider using your site in the future.  And certainly, I would stop publicly complaining about it." CreationDate="2014-12-16T15:10:31.333" UserId="1149" />
  <row Id="9438" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="Ok so; (1) Changing of &quot;Imported user&quot; to &quot;Imported account&quot; (2) Removal of the &quot;First posted&quot; field (3) Deletion of all automatically imported users from TP.SE; right? In additon, I've proposed adding &quot;An External SE site&quot; to the &quot;Location&quot; field and the deletion of the &quot;voted on&quot; and &quot;gave out&quot; fields under activity. Is there anything else I missed out? And thank you for changing your stance on the honesty of the site : )" CreationDate="2014-12-16T15:27:20.213" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9439" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="@quid even though the question [how closely Math SE will follow the SE philosophy in the future](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/17627/36639) seems to be a somewhat hot and controversial topic in the context of the current moderator elections there and during elections discussions can become a bit more lively than usual, I agree that my comment you linked too was completely inappropriate and going beyond legitimately stating disagreement with specific parts of the SE philosophy. As the worst bit needed to illustrate your point is preserved here," CreationDate="2014-12-16T16:02:58.683" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="9440" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="I deleted that comment on Math SE and sincerely apologize for my misconduct." CreationDate="2014-12-16T16:03:49.440" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="9441" PostId="2052" Score="3" Text="@Dilaton thanks for following up on this." CreationDate="2014-12-16T16:07:42.427" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9492" PostId="2052" Score="1" Text="@PeteL.Clark All the requests have been solved." CreationDate="2014-12-19T04:47:13.293" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="9418" PostId="2053" Score="12" Text="&quot;wouldn't it?&quot; No, it wouldn't." CreationDate="2014-12-16T01:36:20.243" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="9419" PostId="2053" Score="1" Text="@Andres I guess opinions can differ, but I personally think that it might be fun. Even if not, the FAQs say that one can opt to not have the hats! :-)" CreationDate="2014-12-16T02:22:52.463" UserDisplayName="user62675" />
  <row Id="9436" PostId="2053" Score="6" Text="I think it would be fun! But we'd need to make sure that there is a Grinch hat, given for fast closing of questions or something like that. :-)  (Sorry, Andres! I couldn't resist)" CreationDate="2014-12-16T15:04:27.527" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9448" PostId="2053" Score="6" Text="@AndresCaicedo Wrong. It would. HATZ!!!!" CreationDate="2014-12-16T17:59:21.147" UserId="54409" />
  <row Id="9459" PostId="2053" Score="8" Text="@nicael: For a user that contributed absolutely nothing to this website, I'd say that you're probably wrong and Andres is right." CreationDate="2014-12-16T21:46:46.613" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9460" PostId="2053" Score="0" Text="@Asaf Why does it matter? I love the hatz on the rest of the SE sites. Just a few of them consist of serious professors who don't love the hatz ;) Yeeee!" CreationDate="2014-12-16T21:52:03.103" UserId="54409" />
  <row Id="9461" PostId="2053" Score="4" Text="You don't have to be &quot;a serious professor&quot; to dislike these things. I enjoy plenty of nonsensical shenanigans, but not this sort of &quot;funtime activity&quot;. And please stop writing &quot;hatz&quot;. 1337z0r sp33k ist ub3rk00l, amirite?" CreationDate="2014-12-16T21:53:49.543" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9462" PostId="2053" Score="3" Text="It seems to me that it could be useful if the decision of hats or no hats (including whether to display *other* users’ hats) were up to the user, not the site. This would solve both the problem that some users here want them and some don’t, and the inconsistency that someone’s hard-earned hats vanish when moving across sites." CreationDate="2014-12-16T22:14:07.950" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9466" PostId="2053" Score="2" Text="Oh. As I learned on http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/245191 , it actually already works that way, except that a site may also choose to veto all hat activity altogether. So the question is whether it would be acceptable for MO to move to the less strict “the site has hats, but they’re off by default” category." CreationDate="2014-12-16T23:33:18.837" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9481" PostId="2053" Score="22" Text="Hats? I've seen this before. Isn't it where we all wear hats and then at the end of 100 days all commit suicide because of induction? (I may possibly be thinking of something else)" CreationDate="2014-12-17T21:01:38.520" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9482" PostId="2053" Score="0" Text="http://terrytao.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/the-blue-eyed-islanders-puzzle" CreationDate="2014-12-17T21:17:25.890" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9483" PostId="2053" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I know, I may just possibly have not been serious" CreationDate="2014-12-18T01:05:59.230" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9489" PostId="2053" Score="3" Text="My personal (rather neutral) stance about &quot;hats&quot; can be seen on other metas; I just want to point out that also having hats of by default can have consequence for the site in general, as some users might do (potentially disruptive) things to get a hat." CreationDate="2014-12-18T18:50:49.743" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9490" PostId="2053" Score="9" Text="What certain people in certain countries or regions may like, can easily put off&#xA;many others with different backgrounds. Given this, I think it is wise that MO&#xA;as a serious site with a global userbase does not participate in the event&#xA;discussed here." CreationDate="2014-12-18T20:42:39.710" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9493" PostId="2053" Score="3" Text="@quid: It seems that this behavior happens either way; it's best not to give it any positive reinforcements in the form of hats. The only hats on this site should be `\hat` and `\widehat`." CreationDate="2014-12-19T06:36:46.310" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9494" PostId="2053" Score="5" Text="Maybe we need to forbid them, too. Please @Asaf do not start signing your posts with $$\huge{\widehat{\text{Asaf}}}$$" CreationDate="2014-12-19T10:15:05.150" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9495" PostId="2053" Score="4" Text="@quid, very well. $$\qquad \Huge\widehat{\scr A\frak saf}$$" CreationDate="2014-12-19T12:04:59.670" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9506" PostId="2053" Score="3" Text="@quid and Asaf Karagila, this is why I come here, for silly fun times." CreationDate="2014-12-20T11:43:47.990" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="9519" PostId="2053" Score="2" Text="@JoelR: You forgot to sign your name, so let me do it for you. $\Large\widehat{\hat{\frak J}\check{o}\hat{e}\ell}$" CreationDate="2014-12-21T04:34:58.013" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9525" PostId="2053" Score="1" Text="I guess this question was sorta stupid, considering that MO is a serious site. I was simply curious." CreationDate="2014-12-22T21:10:13.923" UserDisplayName="user62675" />
  <row Id="9532" PostId="2053" Score="10" Text="There are other sites that are not really less serious that do have it. It was not an unreasonable question to ask." CreationDate="2014-12-25T14:10:09.593" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="13025" PostId="2053" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi I just wanted to say that I come back to this thread every couple of months just to read your joke again. It's the funniest thing I've read in my life." CreationDate="2016-04-28T21:25:03.940" UserId="20803" />
  <row Id="9475" PostId="2054" Score="0" Text="The last sentence is incorrect. Each site has a choice between opt-in, out-out, or nothing." CreationDate="2014-12-17T11:59:28.863" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9476" PostId="2054" Score="1" Text="In which precise way is the last sentence incorrect. What is &quot;nothing&quot; supposed to mean? In some sense, the information I gave concerns exactly the case when nothing is done by a site." CreationDate="2014-12-17T12:29:31.160" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9477" PostId="2054" Score="0" Text="You claim that the event is opt-out. This is not true. On some (most) sites it is opt-out, on some sites it is opt-in, and some sites do not participate at all. This is a three-way choice made by the moderators of the site. See http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/245191 ." CreationDate="2014-12-17T12:36:39.887" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9478" PostId="2054" Score="4" Text="My entire post is about the event on a per site basis (that is the concerned entity is &quot;the site&quot;), and so is this last sentence. The event *for a site* was opt-out in that a non-reply of its moderators would have been taken as a &quot;yes, the site participates&quot; (as opposed to a &quot;no&quot; like it was last year). What happens on a site on a per user basis is a different question that I did not mean to address at all. Anyway, thank you for pointing out the risk for confusion, I will update the post later to make clear what I meant, and psssibly give the *additional* you provide." CreationDate="2014-12-17T12:43:26.450" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9479" PostId="2054" Score="0" Text="I see. Thanks for the clarification." CreationDate="2014-12-17T12:56:44.570" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9497" PostId="2054" Score="1" Text="Thanks a lot for the clarification!" CreationDate="2014-12-19T15:17:22.747" UserDisplayName="user62675" />
  <row Id="9505" PostId="2054" Score="0" Text="You should ask everybody, shouldn't you? As for me, I would not mind participating (except that they don't have the only one I would choose - &quot;I never wear any hats&quot;)." CreationDate="2014-12-20T08:59:14.050" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9507" PostId="2054" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I am not sure why you post this comment here. Are you telling this to me? (I did not decide anything here; you might talk to the moderators about it, i.e. ask on the other answer.) Or are you asking my opinion? (I think the way the decision was made was reasonable, I have no objection at all. Where I did decide on this I asked the community; but also that community is much newer so its preferences were less clear in advance.)" CreationDate="2014-12-20T12:15:02.443" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9508" PostId="2054" Score="0" Text="@quid Sorry you are right, I should rather place this comment after Todd's answer. But this is more a joke than anything else anyway..." CreationDate="2014-12-20T12:27:31.067" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24914" PostId="2055" Score="0" Text="This reminded me of somewhat similar discussion on [math.meta.se]: [Is it possible to remove the bounty on this question?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3319)" CreationDate="2021-02-01T06:57:03.113" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="9444" PostId="2056" Score="5" Text="Yes, starting my own bounty on the question if I earn undeserved wealth sounds a better solution. I'll do that if I don't manage to fill in the gaps fairly soon (or realize that my idea doesn't work). Regarding your technical footnote: I'm not bothered if this costs me a net 25 points." CreationDate="2014-12-16T17:25:58.520" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="9484" PostId="2056" Score="9" Text="I personally thought you deserved the bounty, since your answer was the most complete so far.  Don't feel bad about it!  Besides, by putting a bounty on the problem, the question got enough up-votes that I made up all the points I lost!" CreationDate="2014-12-18T02:14:54.077" UserId="3199" />
  <row Id="9442" PostId="2057" Score="9" Text="Unfortunately &quot;pitty upvotes&quot; are quite wide-spread. I think it is good that you draw attention to the problem. At the same time I doubt anything direct can be done about it." CreationDate="2014-12-16T16:15:48.647" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9445" PostId="2057" Score="8" Text="@quid: You &quot;doubt anything direct can be done about&quot; this? -- I think it can: just by *downvoting* such questions!" CreationDate="2014-12-16T17:31:24.510" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9446" PostId="2057" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl my &quot;it&quot; refers to the problem that some users (seem to) upvote for the sole reason of counter-acting downvoting that they find too harsh or unwelcoming. I do not see how downvoting the questions could help to solve *this* problem. [Except on the off chance that pitty-upvotes start to generate an avalanche of additional downvotes, and the pitty-voters will then realize they have the opposite effect and stop. This however is not quite what I consider as *direct*.]" CreationDate="2014-12-16T17:40:42.573" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9447" PostId="2057" Score="11" Text="@quid also, considering that an upvote is worth more than a downvote, a war over a question is rigged to give the OP a lot of reputation." CreationDate="2014-12-16T17:58:27.337" UserId="1106" />
  <row Id="9449" PostId="2057" Score="3" Text="@StevenGubkin very true, unfortunately." CreationDate="2014-12-16T18:01:51.913" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9451" PostId="2057" Score="4" Text="The basic conflict is between StackOverflow interest to make community bigger, and MO interest to keep the community somewhat elitist. Hence penalty for downvoting, and the larger effect of upvoting in the long term reduce the level of participants." CreationDate="2014-12-16T18:13:37.710" UserId="806" />
  <row Id="9452" PostId="2057" Score="6" Text="@BorisBukh: There is no penalty for downvoting questions since the move to MO 2.0." CreationDate="2014-12-16T18:14:53.513" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9453" PostId="2057" Score="6" Text="@StefanKohl: Thanks for info. My point still stands: the system is designed to build the SO userbase, not to maintain a certain minimum level of discourse." CreationDate="2014-12-16T18:20:58.680" UserId="806" />
  <row Id="9454" PostId="2057" Score="0" Text="@BorisBukh the system certainly designed to invite participation. To frame this as to build &quot;the SO userbase&quot; in my opinion however unfortunate as it suggest some conflicting goals (also if anything it should rather be SE not SO but this is a nit-pick).  Actually, why should have SE any interest to increase the number of users on MO. They have a pretty large [math.SE] site. // Also, this type of voting exists since way before we joined the network. Furthermore, it is also perceived as a problem on SO (at least by some)." CreationDate="2014-12-16T18:34:00.453" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9455" PostId="2057" Score="2" Text="One more add-on (then I will shut up, for a while at least): it might be worth recalling that there was considerable complaint by *part of the MO community*  when the effect of an upvote for questions got reduced on MO (to what it was on SO and in the SE network more generally since a long time). Even arguments were made why this is not suitable for MO and [many (yet not me!) want  back  the old system](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1054/)  Some think there are too many points, some think there are too few; fortunately they can at least find agreement that SO is to blame. ;-)" CreationDate="2014-12-16T19:33:20.997" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9457" PostId="2057" Score="9" Text="While pity votes are very common, it is also true that some low-quality off-topic questions receive upvotes before any downvotes. These votes have been around for quite a while and, in my personal opinion, the situation is not getting any better." CreationDate="2014-12-16T19:52:26.047" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="9458" PostId="2057" Score="11" Text="No matter how great system or community agreement we have, there is always room for differences. If a single person decides to upvote all questions with negative score for whatever reason, we can't help it. The questions you mention don't really have a heap of upvotes in comparison to the downvotes. Reputation gain of the OP is irrelevant; points are eventually lost in deletion and low reputation users only see the total score of posts. Is it worth trying to do anything, given that there is only so much we could ever achieve here?" CreationDate="2014-12-16T21:03:32.793" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9463" PostId="2057" Score="3" Text="Some above have said there's not much to be done, but that's not quite true.  If a user is plausibly suspected of downvoting many of another user's posts for personal reasons, my understanding is that the moderators can and will reverse those downvotes.  It seems to me that if a user is plausibly suspected of upvoting a great number of posts for equally bad reasons (e.g. attempting to &quot;welcome&quot; users who should be unwelcome), the moderators ought to do the same. Of course I do not know whether all these upvotes are coming from the same person, but I'd guess it's likely." CreationDate="2014-12-16T22:42:17.140" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="9465" PostId="2057" Score="5" Text="The point of my comment was, among others, to let you know that the moderators in fact cannot do what you propose (even in case it should really be a single user, which I rather doubt) as they have no means to find out who it was that cast the votes in the first place. Voting data is personal, and moderators have no access to it on an individual basis." CreationDate="2014-12-16T22:51:55.340" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9467" PostId="2057" Score="4" Text="To add to Quid's comment, while we don't have access to the voting, when we are concerned about some voting pattern, we wrote to the very helpful stack exchange folk. We don't ask about, and they don't tell us about, specific votes, but it's usually straightforward to identify any problem should it exist" CreationDate="2014-12-17T01:33:41.107" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="9468" PostId="2057" Score="9" Text="In this case I'm not convinced it's likely that it's a single user at work, so won't bother, but if there's concern I'm willing to pursue it." CreationDate="2014-12-17T01:34:29.850" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="9480" PostId="2057" Score="2" Text="@Scott Morrison, I agree that this is definitely not just one user. On the other hand, I am inclined to believe that a majority of these votes comes from a very small number of users. Do you have any thoughts on that? (By the way, I do not mean to say there is anything that effectively can or should be done. I simply do not know.)" CreationDate="2014-12-17T19:24:06.790" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="9528" PostId="2057" Score="2" Text="I'm a complete ignoramus about the workings of either MO or SO, but it has always puzzled me that upvotes don't cost 1 credit point. I think frivolous voters would be discouraged by the cost while serious ones would not even think about it." CreationDate="2014-12-23T15:27:23.203" UserId="2480" />
  <row Id="9535" PostId="2057" Score="1" Text="One way to prevent from false impressions, due to votes that are not motivated by the content of a question, would be to leave a comment related to one's personal opinion about the relevance of a question." CreationDate="2014-12-25T16:24:00.240" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="9464" PostId="2058" Score="0" Text="Actually, the other question mentioned is also from a user asking a question for the first time in MO, but the user started with a reputation of 101." CreationDate="2014-12-16T22:46:24.163" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="9496" PostId="2060" Score="0" Text="Thanks a lot for the clarification!" CreationDate="2014-12-19T15:16:27.180" UserDisplayName="user62675" />
  <row Id="9498" PostId="2060" Score="5" Text="I am now considering adding &quot;I do not come here for silly fun times&quot; to my profile :)" CreationDate="2014-12-19T17:04:00.767" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9499" PostId="2060" Score="1" Text="I can't say that I don't come here (and MSE) for silly fun times. But I can say that the hats are not fun." CreationDate="2014-12-19T18:04:34.670" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9500" PostId="2060" Score="8" Text="I think we can also safely infer that Joel David Hamkins likes hats: http://www.unomaha.edu/logic/pictures/rutgers05/dsc01854_lar.jpg" CreationDate="2014-12-19T18:39:53.453" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9501" PostId="2060" Score="1" Text="Awesomeeeeeeeeeee!" CreationDate="2014-12-19T20:26:31.280" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9502" PostId="2060" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila Yes, it has to be said that it's a pretty bad-ass hat. Sort of reminds me of the hats worn by Polish set theorists circa 1925, as in this photo: http://apprendre-math.info/history/photos/Mazur_Ulam.jpeg" CreationDate="2014-12-19T20:45:00.303" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9503" PostId="2060" Score="2" Text="To me the overall outfit reminds the angels from the lovely movie, &quot;The Adjustment Bureau&quot;." CreationDate="2014-12-19T20:48:38.880" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9509" PostId="2061" Score="1" Text="This kind of error typically means that the SE javascript is not working for some reason. You could try clearing your browser cache, disable any extensions that might block javascript (NoScript and similar ones) and check the developer console for any javascript errors. My personal guess would be a corrupted cache, so I'd try clearing the cache first." CreationDate="2014-12-20T14:14:22.993" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="9510" PostId="2061" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist, I cleared the cache. I have no such extensions; the SE javascript does work for edits and answers. Despite clearing the cache (Firefox told that there were no cache files left) and restarting the browser, the problem persists. The console gives the same error message as before this operation: &quot;NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED: File error: Corrupted&quot;. This error only comes on the &quot;ask question&quot; page." CreationDate="2014-12-20T16:32:17.323" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9511" PostId="2061" Score="0" Text="Maybe this is a network profile sync issue. This computer is owned and managed by my university, and my local profile attempts to sync with my university network profile although I'm outside the network. (This is presumably the reason for the browser history not working properly lately. Even connecting to the university network usually doesn't resolve this kind of issues, though.) Nevertheless, I don't understand getting the corrupted file error and being told that there is no cache." CreationDate="2014-12-20T16:37:42.127" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9512" PostId="2061" Score="0" Text="NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED indicates corruption of the browser cache, and this is not necessarily fixed by clearing it in the usual way. Several online sources suggest to delete the webappsstore.sqlite file in the Firefox profile directory and restart the browser (it will then recreate the file). See also https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/API/DOM/Storage#Storage_location_and_clearing_the_data ." CreationDate="2014-12-20T17:02:58.467" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9513" PostId="2061" Score="0" Text="Or actually, the corrupted file could be just about anything in the profile. Doesn’t the error message give more details?" CreationDate="2014-12-20T17:28:41.097" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9514" PostId="2061" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, the console gives that error message and this location: http://cdn.sstatic.net/Js/full.en.js?v=207a95000ab6. My attempts to fix the problem made the title thingy work, but the others still don't work. My profile folder appears not to contain a webappsstore.sqlite file or any history information. (The profile situation is messy. For example, clearing browsing history doesn't seem to have any effect: the history isn't removed but it still isn't updated when I go to new sites.) I fear that the problem can only be resolved by contacting my system administrator after the holidays." CreationDate="2014-12-20T18:59:39.867" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9515" PostId="2061" Score="1" Text="Contacting the system administrator is probably the right thing to do. However, what you can try meanwhile is to create a fresh Firefox profile using the profile manager (you seem to be on Windows: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Creating_a_new_Firefox_profile_on_Windows), and use it instead of the possibly corrupt default profile." CreationDate="2014-12-20T19:14:48.190" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9526" PostId="2063" Score="1" Text="I think this is periodically comes up, and goes down just as fast." CreationDate="2014-12-23T07:51:32.940" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9527" PostId="2063" Score="2" Text="If you mainly want to communicate that you do not want to be contacted, you could write it in the about me. [Also see an earlier discussion about a PM service](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/663/should-we-request-a-private-message-system)" CreationDate="2014-12-23T12:32:36.380" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9530" PostId="2064" Score="2" Text="Totally. And it has a completely irrelevant answer that somehow garnered upvotes." CreationDate="2014-12-25T05:10:33.713" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9531" PostId="2065" Score="2" Text="There is (was?) a Vinter stadium in Beer-Sheva, which could be treated as a וינטר ב&quot;ש, if one is so inclined." CreationDate="2014-12-25T08:34:21.127" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9533" PostId="2065" Score="1" Text="Only 5 hats so far...as a former champion?! I am a newcomer and have already twice as many. :-)" CreationDate="2014-12-25T14:19:42.910" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9534" PostId="2065" Score="0" Text="congratulations, quid!" CreationDate="2014-12-25T14:58:06.513" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="9536" PostId="2065" Score="22" Text="Somehow it would not have occurred to me to compare Winter Bash to the Fields Medal. ;-)" CreationDate="2014-12-25T17:57:48.090" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="26705" PostId="2065" Score="1" Text="I would like MO to participate in Winter Bash." CreationDate="2022-01-03T04:13:24.247" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="9537" PostId="2066" Score="2" Text="The statement of the question does seem clear now; this means the &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; no longer applies. The consideration then becomes whether it is considered on-topic for MO." CreationDate="2014-12-29T14:07:09.307" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9538" PostId="2066" Score="0" Text="So, Todd, do we reopen and then discuss whether it's on-topic? or do we decide whether it's on-topic, and, if it is, then reopen?" CreationDate="2014-12-29T18:40:47.447" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="9539" PostId="2066" Score="2" Text="I think we only reopen it if we decide that it is on-topic." CreationDate="2014-12-29T18:48:39.593" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="9540" PostId="2066" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson What Andy said. Of course, people can decide on their own without there being a particular discussion." CreationDate="2014-12-29T18:50:31.030" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9543" PostId="2067" Score="4" Text="One user had flagged for this question to be migrated to Math Educators, a suggestion which the OP resisted. It seemed to me this was a somewhat borderline case for migration (I half-saw the OP's position, but fell short of agreeing with him), and so I thought it better to let the community decide whether to close. But if a user applies tactics designed to circumvent community moderation, then it becomes a different situation and the elected mods need to step in (and one of us has now done so)." CreationDate="2014-12-30T15:44:50.323" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9546" PostId="2067" Score="13" Text="I would question whether the 'only purpose of this is to prevent other users from voting to close this question.' The question also exists on MESE where nobody questioned its suitability, and OP had also placed a bounty there. I do not want to say the situation is not problematic, yet I think the 'only' is possibly not justified." CreationDate="2014-12-30T16:12:37.373" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9551" PostId="2067" Score="2" Text="As I had an interesting discussion with the OP there, I tend to view the question as a legitimate one." CreationDate="2014-12-30T19:54:30.577" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="9544" PostId="2068" Score="5" Text="The situation is worse, since placing a bounty means that standing closing votes expire by the time the bounty ends. So if the question previously had four standing votes, and a bounty was placed it means that it essentially nullified these four votes." CreationDate="2014-12-30T16:09:34.613" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9545" PostId="2068" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila: There were no such votes." CreationDate="2014-12-30T16:11:12.483" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9547" PostId="2068" Score="0" Text="I meant at the beginning of the first bounty." CreationDate="2014-12-30T16:14:11.370" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9548" PostId="2068" Score="17" Text="It might be worth adding that there is an initial safe-guard against such use of bounties, namely, one cannot place a bounty on a question within the first 48h. This is normally enough time to close clearly off-topic questions. (Indeed, the one in question was reopened, showing it is not a clear-cut case.)" CreationDate="2014-12-30T16:14:36.667" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9549" PostId="2068" Score="8" Text="Why do bounties prevent close votes at all, i.e. what is the rationale behind this?" CreationDate="2014-12-30T16:20:41.917" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9550" PostId="2068" Score="10" Text="@StefanKohl: That would effectively remove the bounty without refund." CreationDate="2014-12-30T16:24:41.687" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9554" PostId="2068" Score="10" Text="Perhaps losing the bounty without refund is a good incentive to refrain from offering bounties on bad questions." CreationDate="2014-12-31T17:38:01.763" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="27039" PostId="2068" Score="1" Text="I've just flagged https://mathoverflow.net/questions/417067/ on these grounds." CreationDate="2022-03-01T11:35:40.233" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="9552" PostId="2069" Score="0" Text="I find the closure understandable: given the volume of off-topic questions, and given the somewhat recreational tone (which makes it seem not too close to modern research concerns), it's not surprising that people would vote to close without much thought. I'm not convinced yet it would be good for MO, but I haven't thought deeply about it either." CreationDate="2014-12-31T00:37:46.437" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9553" PostId="2069" Score="7" Text="Looking at the question, I think it was reasonable to close it.  The test of divisibility is to replace $10a+b$ by $a-2b$.  The complaint was that $a-2b$ is not the same as $10a+b \pmod 7$.  Well then $3$ times $a-2b$  leaves the same remainder.  I didn't downvote this, or vote to close, but I also can't see voting to reopen either." CreationDate="2014-12-31T00:52:22.893" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="9556" PostId="2071" Score="3" Text="Sounds interesting, but I'm not sure if the chat is a good medium for it. I think there should be another tool for presenting the main material and chat could be used to support it. Maybe one could simply provide a slideshow and keep telling which slide to look at. If the seminar is supposed to be useful afterwards, all interrupting comments (these should be allowed from several people!) and supporting material should be included. Did you have specific plans about the technical realization?" CreationDate="2015-01-04T20:53:49.860" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9557" PostId="2071" Score="6" Text="If such online lecture should have advantages over simply providing a PDF file, I think it clearly needs to be interactive -- i.e. everybody needs to be able to ask questions." CreationDate="2015-01-04T21:26:28.830" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9558" PostId="2071" Score="2" Text="I will echo what I said in chat and suggest that a live Khan academy style presentation (with audio) might be very well suited for such a seminar. It would allow the lecturer to easily make any needed diagrams and relieve endless MathJax coding." CreationDate="2015-01-04T23:12:23.100" UserId="27870" />
  <row Id="9559" PostId="2071" Score="27" Text="I'd like to take a(nother) poll, and ask you to upvote this comment if you **like this idea**." CreationDate="2015-01-04T23:41:00.210" UserDisplayName="user62675" />
  <row Id="9560" PostId="2071" Score="18" Text="Upvote this comment if you **dislike this idea**." CreationDate="2015-01-04T23:41:19.850" UserDisplayName="user62675" />
  <row Id="9564" PostId="2071" Score="1" Text="Back, back, way back, in the early days of the math.SE chatroom, I suggested something like that. The response wasn't quite enthusiastic, and there were good arguments against that. I just can't remember any of them right now." CreationDate="2015-01-05T10:30:32.150" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9567" PostId="2071" Score="2" Text="@Asaf, the repeated objections, for various versions of the idea, were largely that the software was not fast enough for real-time interaction with, say, actual handwriting onscreen, second that it was asking quite a lot of the lecturer. Both items would change with software changes over time..." CreationDate="2015-01-05T23:46:15.880" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9568" PostId="2071" Score="0" Text="@Will: Do you remember the historical events (read: did you dig through logs and old comments)? or are you making hypotheses? Because I can't recall those as the arguments against." CreationDate="2015-01-05T23:48:13.847" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9569" PostId="2071" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, I'm not guessing, but we could be referring to different threads. I think mine was within the homotopy chat room, after the two had been successfully merged into one chat room that was owned by MO rather than something else. One idea hinged on writing directly onto the screen; people do use such things two people at a time, sort of Skype with a blackboard, no memory of what it's called. The other thing never got defined really, just the idea of guest lecturers; as matters stood, lots of work to do a lecture real time." CreationDate="2015-01-06T00:10:48.797" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9570" PostId="2071" Score="0" Text="@Will: It appears we do refer to completely different things then." CreationDate="2015-01-06T00:12:21.757" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9571" PostId="2071" Score="3" Text="@Asaf, I guess, Here is a question I posted on Meta in hopes of dealing with one issue, the online blackboard: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/405/quick-or-easy-methods-to-post-math-or-diagrams-on-chat" CreationDate="2015-01-06T00:13:19.103" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9597" PostId="2071" Score="0" Text="Hmm, so the votes seem to be very close. But then again, it's only about a week since the poll began. How long should the poll go on for?" CreationDate="2015-01-11T14:39:02.530" UserDisplayName="user62675" />
  <row Id="9603" PostId="2071" Score="0" Text="@SanathDevalapurkar, perhaps until you have enough people who are interested in participating in a seminar. I suppose the number of people who dislike the idea is irrelevant, as long as you have enough people on the other side to get the thing started." CreationDate="2015-01-13T11:12:26.360" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10980" PostId="2071" Score="0" Text="Here is link to the discussion on meta.math.SE mentioned by @Asaf: [RFC: Chat Seminars](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/3199/rfc-chat-seminars)" CreationDate="2015-08-24T10:03:45.120" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="9572" PostId="2075" Score="4" Text="I think you should consider posting questions about NP-completeness on http://cstheory.stackexchange.com instead." CreationDate="2015-01-06T07:52:01.467" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="9573" PostId="2075" Score="4" Text="Upvoted since this is a reasonable question to ask; I have no specific opinion on the subject itself." CreationDate="2015-01-06T10:54:17.870" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9574" PostId="2075" Score="16" Text="NP completeness is also on-topic here at MO." CreationDate="2015-01-06T15:06:16.107" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9577" PostId="2075" Score="2" Text="Even if a question is on-topic in more than one site, choose just one site and ask it there.  Which site do you think is more likely to have experts that can contribute toward an answer?" CreationDate="2015-01-07T17:19:35.573" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="9578" PostId="2075" Score="1" Text="@GeraldEdgar Both sites have experts on computational complexity. Usually, I first post on TCS SE and offer a bounty. Then I post on mathOverflow if I did not get a satisfying answer. Sometimes, such as the first example above, a post generates more interest among mathOverflow members." CreationDate="2015-01-07T18:43:13.680" UserId="8784" />
  <row Id="9620" PostId="2076" Score="1" Text="Why did you think it was impossible? I actually did it several times." CreationDate="2015-01-18T18:18:17.590" UserId="9550" />
  <row Id="9624" PostId="2076" Score="0" Text="It was not possible in the old version of MO." CreationDate="2015-01-20T14:52:29.570" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="9587" PostId="2078" Score="8" Text="You haven't even defined $&lt;$. Once the Peano axioms are formalized, it is possible to define such a relation on the natural numbers, and quite trivial to show there are no natural numbers between $0$ and $1$. But all this is completely off-topic for MO. Please take it up at MSE. I am sure someone can explain it to you." CreationDate="2015-01-09T15:08:56.380" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9590" PostId="2078" Score="1" Text="The only thing that you need to prove before introducing a definition of a constant is that there exists a unique element satisfying the definition. Here, this holds trivially as the definition is just the value of a closed term. Whether the defined constant satisfies this or that other property is irrelevant. In any case, the property you want is stated right after the definition of &lt; in Proposition 2.2.12, and you are asked to prove it yourself in Exercise 2.2.3, but you are obviously going to need the intervening material about addition." CreationDate="2015-01-09T17:28:29.437" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9593" PostId="2078" Score="0" Text="Note that downvotes on meta can mean disagreement with the proposal, and not necessarily that this question &quot;does not show research effort&quot; or &quot;is unclear or not useful.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-01-10T03:29:23.380" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="9594" PostId="2078" Score="4" Text="It is now asked at MSE." CreationDate="2015-01-10T12:00:49.467" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="11120" PostId="2078" Score="0" Text="I assume you mean [this](http://math.stackexchange.com/q/1088544/18398)." CreationDate="2015-09-06T14:19:19.390" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="9580" PostId="2080" Score="0" Text="Will it seem reasonable for MO if I give the details as you have asked?" CreationDate="2015-01-09T14:40:12.980" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="9581" PostId="2080" Score="14" Text="@user170039: No." CreationDate="2015-01-09T14:44:49.583" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9582" PostId="2080" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: Is it too trivial? For if it is then I mayn't need to post it at all. I only want to know the answer." CreationDate="2015-01-09T14:50:13.703" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="9584" PostId="2080" Score="7" Text="@user170039, if you want to ask your question, I see no obstruction for including the details I mentioned and asking at MSE. I think your question is not a research related question. (Research level is not the same thing as difficult.)" CreationDate="2015-01-09T14:54:58.337" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9585" PostId="2080" Score="0" Text="The construction of natural numbers from Peano Axioms is treated in the book at the very beginning and without any set theoretic ideas at all (except in some informal discussions) and so except the Axiom of Induction and order, there really isn't other assumption. The definition of $1$ appears just below the the stated axioms." CreationDate="2015-01-09T14:55:16.487" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="9592" PostId="2080" Score="0" Text="I think this is a fine question for MSE (though I'm not a regular there)." CreationDate="2015-01-09T21:27:58.627" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="9596" PostId="2081" Score="11" Text="Generally speaking I think this type of question would be *great* as a CW question, and could garner some very fine answers if allowed to survive. My own preference would be to keep the question pretty soft and not too tied down to the specific set-theoretic context that first gave rise to it in your own case (although of course you can and should mention that), because it really is of interest in mathematics much more generally. I like your short version of the question. I'll step back and let others respond, but I hope it flies (and would be slightly disappointed if it doesn't)." CreationDate="2015-01-11T06:38:28.917" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9598" PostId="2081" Score="1" Text="I concur. Meanwhile, you might find some of Colin McLarty's recent paper helpful. Even though these are concerned with the algebraic geometry story, the presentation pays close attention to set-theoretic issues. Further to this, topos theory - which has both geometrical and logical aspects - provides a general setting for cohomology" CreationDate="2015-01-11T17:01:36.177" UserId="15819" />
  <row Id="9599" PostId="2081" Score="1" Text="I agree with Todd.  I think it would be fine to migrate the question to MO.  Making it CW would probably help, as there's an ocean of near-isomorphic answers that would appeal to people with different sensitivities." CreationDate="2015-01-11T19:47:49.027" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="9606" PostId="2081" Score="2" Text="Are you aware that your bounty expires in less than two hours? You have two answers on MSE waiting for you." CreationDate="2015-01-15T18:03:02.360" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9602" PostId="2082" Score="2" Text="You can search for questions that have at least a given number of answers by searching for `answers:50`: http://mathoverflow.net/search?q=answers%3A50 I don't know if you can sort the results by the number of answers. The highest number of answers is 187: http://mathoverflow.net/q/23478/55893" CreationDate="2015-01-12T10:03:29.213" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9607" PostId="2086" Score="5" Text="Consider the failure a feature. Excepting actual spoilers, hiding text in this way is very annoying, not to mention that it is next to impossible to access the hidden text at all on mobile devices." CreationDate="2015-01-16T14:21:42.347" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9608" PostId="2086" Score="1" Text="Actually, I wouldn't agree with you completely one this one. It is quite handy in some situations to hide things in this way. Exemple : #pragma regions or scopes in visual studio, even if depending on version it is not always hovering but clicking. Anyway ;-) But, whatever our opinions may be on this, it is supposed to be a feature (as I seen the the link I mention, so it should be either remove from this features link, or addressed (in the case it's not just me not knowing how to use it.)" CreationDate="2015-01-16T14:29:02.857" UserId="41142" />
  <row Id="9609" PostId="2086" Score="1" Text="The syntax is basically correct, but: (1) you need to have the &gt;! at the beginning of a line, just like for regular blockquotes, and (2) apparently, you can’t use displayed equations `$$...$$` inside the spoiler block." CreationDate="2015-01-16T14:31:36.573" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9610" PostId="2086" Score="0" Text="Ok, so it's me misusing it, but it's indeed useless for my purpose - but very good to know nevertheless. Thx !" CreationDate="2015-01-16T14:33:52.013" UserId="41142" />
  <row Id="9611" PostId="2086" Score="1" Text="I agree with @EmilJeřábek And, it starts to be even more annoying when some others use &quot;empty&quot; blockquotes for formatting." CreationDate="2015-01-16T20:58:03.343" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9612" PostId="2086" Score="0" Text="@quid: What do you mean &quot;empty&quot; blockquotes?" CreationDate="2015-01-17T00:03:19.987" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9613" PostId="2086" Score="0" Text="@Asaf a block-quote that contains nothing normally visible like `&gt;${}{}{}{}{}{}$` It just creates a gray bar that some seem to like as design-element." CreationDate="2015-01-17T00:14:11.033" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="28581" PostId="2086" Score="2" Text="Another reason to avoid spoiler markup is that it is [inaccessible to keyboard-only users](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/301971)." CreationDate="2023-05-20T03:15:18.253" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="9614" PostId="2087" Score="3" Text="In this context, I think first of all it would be good to alert a user *before* cross-posting that immediate cross-posts are frowned upon here. Such warning could be displayed whenever one prepares to ask a question on MO whose text is very similar to a recent question on MSE." CreationDate="2015-01-17T21:53:15.683" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9615" PostId="2087" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl, is it possible to make such a check between SE sites? If it is, that'd be brilliant." CreationDate="2015-01-17T22:31:43.447" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9616" PostId="2087" Score="2" Text="I think you shouldn't tell a new user that they did something inappropriate but not recommend any action. That will only confuse them. Maybe you could ask which site they consider more appropriate (explain the difference if necessary) and ask to delete the one of the posts. It is also a good idea to add links between sibling questions." CreationDate="2015-01-17T22:35:18.903" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9617" PostId="2088" Score="1" Text="If you have an account on Math.SE then you can follow the migration and flag for a moderator to merge the copies." CreationDate="2015-01-18T06:20:05.823" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9618" PostId="2088" Score="0" Text="Good point. Only, my vote might not trigger closure and migration, so I would need to track the situation or trust somebody else will do it. Either way, it feels like busy-work for little gain to me." CreationDate="2015-01-18T15:28:20.607" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9621" PostId="2088" Score="9" Text="The top point is really the key to me. *Both* posts should indicate the crossposting clearly, prominently, and immediately, regardless of eventual action on them." CreationDate="2015-01-18T19:56:51.097" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="9622" PostId="2088" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: now that you implanted that idea in my head I actually start doing this more. Thanks so much for that extra work! ;-)" CreationDate="2015-01-19T20:05:31.590" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9623" PostId="2088" Score="0" Text="At least I didn't hack your dreams, four levels in, and made you believe that it's your idea by faking a dream in which your dying father tells you that he wants you to sell a bank and become your own self made man." CreationDate="2015-01-19T20:10:27.120" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9625" PostId="2094" Score="4" Text="Questions related to specific individuals often contain their names and are therefore easy to find with the search feature. Moreover, many famous mathematicians have worked in many fields, and people today probably specialize in those fields separately instead of specializing in all the work of a a great mathematician. Can you elaborate on why such a tag would be useful?" CreationDate="2015-01-21T20:05:34.957" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9626" PostId="2094" Score="0" Text="@Joonas: Added." CreationDate="2015-01-21T20:24:49.683" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="9627" PostId="2094" Score="1" Text="No, and I see even less point in making a *meta-tag* for Erdős." CreationDate="2015-01-21T20:45:07.840" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9628" PostId="2094" Score="6" Text="It seems that we already have an Erdős tag: [tag:erdos]. Should we remove that tag from those questions if people are against introducing an Erdős tag (as current votes suggest)?" CreationDate="2015-01-21T21:00:32.847" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9629" PostId="2094" Score="0" Text="@Joonas: This is funny, I should have checked before asking... Well, at least this seems to show that many people agree with me." CreationDate="2015-01-21T21:11:21.423" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="9631" PostId="2094" Score="2" Text="Oh come on. Who decides who is famous?" CreationDate="2015-01-21T23:20:25.323" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9632" PostId="2094" Score="1" Text="@Yemon: Is this the same Who from first base? :-)" CreationDate="2015-01-21T23:39:04.500" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9633" PostId="2094" Score="0" Text="I think you should use the names in ascii version, f.e. domotorp instead of &quot;dömötörp&quot; and &quot;erdos&quot; instead of &quot;Erdős&quot;, and having tags for well-known mathematician would make the site better." CreationDate="2015-01-22T08:25:51.163" UserDisplayName="user44394" />
  <row Id="9634" PostId="2094" Score="0" Text="@Peter: This is not really related to the question, but I agree with you, someone edited my question and changed the spelling." CreationDate="2015-01-22T08:31:43.233" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="9636" PostId="2094" Score="0" Text="O.k. The essence was the second half (I suggest to _have_ tags for well-known mathematicians). Anyways, you _can_ always edit your question as you wish, or revert into one of its previous versions." CreationDate="2015-01-22T08:33:00.363" UserDisplayName="user44394" />
  <row Id="9637" PostId="2094" Score="0" Text="Tags cannot contain special characters. That part of the discussion is moot. (Except there is also for Hungarian a thing as for German to write &quot;oe&quot; instead of &quot;ö&quot;; out of general curiosity I would be interested in a reply to this.)" CreationDate="2015-01-22T09:51:37.810" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9638" PostId="2094" Score="1" Text="@quid: During the time of telegrams and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, it was customary to use the German notations, but nowadays I think most people prefer to just write o for ö (which is btw not the same as ő in Erdős). This often causes troubles, like I cannot self check-in, as my reservation by the travel agancy is for Domotor but my passport encodes my name as Doemoetoer." CreationDate="2015-01-22T09:59:30.873" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="9640" PostId="2094" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the reply. I guess it really makes more sense to just drop it, since reducing ö *and* ő to the same thing does not even really solve the problem. // @StefanKohl I am not sure what exactly you refer to when you talk about &quot;the AMS&quot;; in various AMS publications there are certainly diacritics. But possibly it is about search in MathSciNet. However, I essentially agree with you, and argued longer ago in favor of using kahler instead of kaehler in tag." CreationDate="2015-01-22T11:14:02.767" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9642" PostId="2096" Score="0" Text="The ask- tags were discussed before, here or on tea. Do you happen to remember exactly where?" CreationDate="2015-01-22T18:09:43.237" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9643" PostId="2096" Score="1" Text="@Asaf: Both are near the top of the list at http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/642/tags-that-encourage-off-topic-questions , though it seems no one took it seriously enough to put the result of the vote into effect. I’m not aware of other discussion here." CreationDate="2015-01-22T18:43:02.850" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9644" PostId="2096" Score="1" Text="@Asaf: mainly I'd have mentioned the thread Emil gives. Here is [an old one on tea](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1103/asking-mo-vs-asking-someone-personally/) giving the historical question where ask-j was created. [This is me complaining about ask-n](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/115430/what-is-the-geometry-of-an-undecidable-diophantine-equation#comment296955_115430) and [this is me](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/104889/what-numbers-are-integrally-represented-by-4-x2-2-x-y-7-y2-z3#comment270050_104889) getting Will J.  to not create more. Meanwhile I made my piece with them." CreationDate="2015-01-22T22:52:29.490" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9645" PostId="2096" Score="0" Text="@Emil and quid: Thanks. I probably meant both these threads." CreationDate="2015-01-22T23:04:18.147" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9646" PostId="2096" Score="1" Text="I'm probably the main &quot;no one&quot; @Emil is referring to. To clarify and summarize: The two ask- tags have nearly zero semantic value, there wouldn't be a loss if they disappeared. They haven't been removed since these two tags were much less problematic than some more pressing tagging issues. In both cases, the origin of the tag was a 'joke' which is only a distant memory by now. On the positive side, there is some evidence that Bill does monitor the ask-johnson tag though, contrary to what the tag suggests, Bill doesn't always answer such questions." CreationDate="2015-01-23T00:45:53.800" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9647" PostId="2096" Score="2" Text="FYI: I just merged [tag:ask-noam] into [tag:nt.number-theory] since it only had two questions and it was unlikely to be of much further use." CreationDate="2015-01-23T01:11:06.923" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9648" PostId="2096" Score="1" Text="@Francois: Sorry, I didn't mean to pressure you to action. I don't think the tag is doing any harm." CreationDate="2015-01-23T11:16:45.317" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9665" PostId="2097" Score="0" Text="At a first bash, the proof feels like something that would work in a boolean topos but not a more general one (cf discussion here: https://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2014/12/a_categorical_understanding_of.html, where CSB is connected with Boolean algebras)" CreationDate="2015-01-27T08:16:52.563" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="9891" PostId="2097" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts: Thank you for your comment! Unfortunately, the link does't seem to work here." CreationDate="2015-02-25T07:25:05.293" UserId="3108" />
  <row Id="9892" PostId="2097" Score="0" Text="@HannoBecker sorry, some invisible characters ruined that url. Here's the correct one: https://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2014/12/a_categorical_understanding_of.html" CreationDate="2015-02-25T08:56:24.683" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10458" PostId="2097" Score="2" Text="In Conway and Doyle's famous paper on division by 3 https://math.dartmouth.edu/~doyle/docs/three/three.pdf they say Bernstein claimed to have solved your problem constructively, but nobody ever understood his solution.  Then in 1922 Sierpinski solved it.  They give a reference." CreationDate="2015-05-17T04:22:50.470" UserId="2893" />
  <row Id="10459" PostId="2097" Score="3" Text="@John: Yes, and I think Hanno mentions that. But Sierpinski treated &quot;constructive&quot; as meaning &quot;without the axiom of choice&quot;. We have evolved other meanings for &quot;constructive&quot; since then, and that is the what Hanno is asking about. How far does this claim stretch." CreationDate="2015-05-17T05:32:49.673" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9650" PostId="2099" Score="5" Text="I think MO questions can support a polymath project well, but I don't see how they could form all of it. Keeping track of the project as a whole and then turning it into an article sounds like a feat that needs some kind of headquarters outside MO. I think such a project also requires a place for announcements that do not fit the mold of an answer or a question. (I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just not convinced yet.)" CreationDate="2015-01-24T22:26:50.330" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9651" PostId="2099" Score="0" Text="I suppose the most important requirement for a new polymath project is that someone (or some group of people) has an interesting problem and an idea for approaching it which is suitable for polymathy collaboration. Are there such ideas out there at the moment?" CreationDate="2015-01-24T22:34:55.640" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9652" PostId="2099" Score="0" Text="@Joonas: After the problem is solved, then the article writing up part might require an outside platform, but keeping track of the progress could be possible inside the questions (or maybe not, we have to try to see). And of course a problem with an approach is also needed, if this proposal gets a positive reaction, the next meta-question will be to select a problem." CreationDate="2015-01-24T22:50:25.420" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="9662" PostId="2099" Score="1" Text="I think a number of independent projects have started and withered or succeeded depending on the strength of the supporting community.  Certainly MathOverflow the forum and the foundation can lend some support, but the basic mission of both should not be extended unless and until the community is large enough.  I recommend starting a proposal (or several, why not?), and when the project is in enough of a shape to receive assistance from the MathOverflow community, place an answer to this question with a link and an invitation.  Gerhard &quot;Has Some Suggestions To Make&quot; Paseman, 2015.01.26" CreationDate="2015-01-26T22:20:54.787" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="20129" PostId="2099" Score="0" Text="And don't forget we have this: [Proposals for polymath projects](https://mathoverflow.net/q/219638/6094)." CreationDate="2019-05-22T10:59:00.030" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="20161" PostId="2099" Score="2" Text="I don't like the current trend where people suggest leeching Mathoverflow's popularity and abusing its &quot;focused, to-the point questions and answers&quot; format to propose their new projects." CreationDate="2019-05-28T09:50:00.993" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="20162" PostId="2099" Score="0" Text="@Federico This is an absolutely reasonable objection. My only defense is that the questions related to the PolyMathOverflow project would be also very much like other questions on the site. It is anyhow quite common that a MathOverflow question inspires several other MO questions." CreationDate="2019-05-28T13:02:33.480" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="9741" PostId="2100" Score="2" Text="How about time zone data?" CreationDate="2015-02-02T19:24:58.450" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="20595" PostId="2100" Score="0" Text="Here is a more recent related discussion: [Is it possible to list all mathoverflow users from a given country?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3414)." CreationDate="2019-07-21T05:32:39.510" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20596" PostId="2100" Score="0" Text="Possibly you can find some stats also on Quantcast, but they are about *traffic* - which might be different from the distribution of *registered* users. Moreover, Quantcast made a change at some point that you have to create an account with them to display the stats: [What happened to the public Quantcast statistics?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/311864). Some sites, for example [TeX Stack Exchange](https://tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1564/tex-community-polls) made community polls on meta to find out more about their userbase." CreationDate="2019-07-21T05:40:04.173" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="9653" PostId="2101" Score="0" Text="Well -- I asked the question for mere reasons of curiosity, and because I thought some statistics on the geographical distribution of the MO community might be of interest also for others. Note also that we are talking here about statistics, and not about data of individual people." CreationDate="2015-01-25T20:52:35.787" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9654" PostId="2102" Score="6" Text="You mean Indiana is not in India?" CreationDate="2015-01-26T15:04:38.810" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="9655" PostId="2102" Score="5" Text="Well, looking at the SQL query that's explainable: if the location has &quot;india&quot; as substring, it matches. More worrisome: any location that contains &quot;, &quot; matches the US!" CreationDate="2015-01-26T15:57:20.600" UserId="3928" />
  <row Id="9656" PostId="2102" Score="0" Text="These scripts are certainly interesting (thanks for referring to them!), but the quality of results is pretty limited - mainly for the reason that many (most?) users left the 'Location' field blank, and also (as @JaapEldering has already pointed out) for the reason that the script often doesn't interpret the 'Location' entries correctly where they are provided." CreationDate="2015-01-26T16:37:21.187" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9659" PostId="2102" Score="1" Text="@JaapEldering: More precisely, any location that doesn't match any earlier cases and contains &quot;, &quot; is matched to the US. The idea is to catch &quot;New York, NY&quot; and &quot;Hanover, NH&quot;. A fancier script could match all 50 state abbreviations explicitly." CreationDate="2015-01-26T19:17:34.443" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9661" PostId="2102" Score="1" Text="There are dozens of scripts there, many of them spinning off from each other, and you can fork your own and make revising edits. Here is a version of the world cup script http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/78712/world-cup-of-reputation that has a better treatment of US states, but it still falls prey to the Indiana/India conflation, which presumably could be fixed by adding a single additional line. I'd encourage anyone who cares about the data to start writing their own scripts." CreationDate="2015-01-26T22:15:29.527" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9663" PostId="2102" Score="0" Text="Here is a version with the Indiana issue fixed: http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/267996/world-cup-of-reputation" CreationDate="2015-01-27T02:44:18.423" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9666" PostId="2102" Score="3" Text="I'm afraid some of the data linked in Joel's answer may not have caught up with historical developments: Ireland, for example, appears there to be part of the United Kingdom.  (`WHEN UPPER(Location) LIKE '%IRELAND%' THEN 'United Kingdom')" CreationDate="2015-01-27T11:33:53.877" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="9667" PostId="2102" Score="0" Text="@shane.orourke It would be kind of you to fix that issue --- it seems to me you can just change it to:  THEN 'Ireland', and you might add some lines for Dublin, Galway and Cork, for example." CreationDate="2015-01-27T12:33:33.800" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9695" PostId="2102" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins I've made a few modifications along these lines. The new version is at http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/268646/world-cup-of-reputation." CreationDate="2015-01-28T21:24:19.723" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="9705" PostId="2102" Score="0" Text="@shane.orourke Thanks! But your version still has the Indiana/India issue, and it appears that you didn't start from the script treating the US states properly..." CreationDate="2015-01-29T14:44:36.767" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9742" PostId="2102" Score="0" Text="The special cases in that script are pretty amusing.  Among places that are specifically detected as part of the United States: `COUMBIA SC` [sic], `HAWAI` [sic], `HOLLYWOOD`, and that bustling metropolis, [`QUAD CITIES`](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_Cities)." CreationDate="2015-02-02T19:29:20.903" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="9743" PostId="2102" Score="0" Text="@NateEldredge That's funny! I had always assumed that the cases in those scripts were drawn mainly from actual cases in the (SO) database that were observed to arise, but now I'm not so sure..." CreationDate="2015-02-02T21:10:27.183" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="9657" PostId="2103" Score="6" Text="May I ask what is your professional relation to mathematics? Working mathematicians have a strong intuition about what is research level mathematics and what is best left for MSE. If mathematics happens to be to you more of a hobby than a profession, I can understand well that you disagree with many other users about what is interesting. (The question in the title is quite different from the one at the end of the body, so the title could be improved.)" CreationDate="2015-01-26T18:55:49.907" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9658" PostId="2103" Score="5" Text="Let me add that I am only a professional in some areas of mathematics. I do have genuine questions about other areas as well, but I tend to take them to MSE because I'm quite sure that they would meet with hostility (= rapid downvotes and closure) here. I'm far from understanding what makes many questions at MO interesting or what some of the questions or answers even mean, but I don't let that bother me since I know I'm a layman in those areas and MO is mainly not for the laypeople." CreationDate="2015-01-26T19:02:15.107" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9660" PostId="2104" Score="5" Text="It might be added that partial answers are welcome when appropriate, and many on MathOverflow who post such answers understand this by including text like &quot;This is not a complete answer, but may be useful.&quot;  If the original poster does not understand what is desired, even despite helpful comments directed to help them understand, then this forum may be the wrong one for the poster and such answers.  Gerhard &quot;Partially Answering With Helpful Comments&quot; Paseman, 2015.01.26" CreationDate="2015-01-26T22:14:54.433" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9664" PostId="2104" Score="2" Text="I still don't understand. In the topic You mentioned the author wrote the sets of polynomials without conclusion and evidence and that no one removes. My attempt to discuss the solution of systems of nonlinear equations - I was erased. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/146768/solutions-of-system-of-diophantine-equations I'm trying to sort out these issues that are in front of you never had. Are you interested in the completeness of the solutions. I am interested in methods of calculation. The formula can either be or not. Bad formula does not happen." CreationDate="2015-01-27T05:11:00.243" UserId="47795" />
  <row Id="9668" PostId="2104" Score="7" Text="individ, in the post that you linked to, are you saying the community response to the *question* is inconsistent with the response to your posts, or is it the answer? I think the answer is *great*: it places the question in a clean conceptual framework where the method of solution (parametrizing a conic via stereographic projection) has been known for centuries. The question itself is not to my own taste because it's very busy or too detailed to be easily readable, but at least someone latched onto the key component and explained what was really going on." CreationDate="2015-01-27T13:17:48.493" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9683" PostId="2104" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble Who told You that used this method of calculation? I on the contrary was told that you can only use one method of calculation. In the case of using other methods of calculating the answers will be deleted. Here in this topic  http://mathoverflow.net/questions/173541/some-types-of-diophantine-equations-and-their-decidability When led as an example, formula solving quadratic forms. To see some of you there http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/738446/solutions-to-ax2-by2-cz2/738527#738527  http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/794510/curves-triangular-numbers" CreationDate="2015-01-28T06:40:09.293" UserId="47795" />
  <row Id="9691" PostId="2104" Score="4" Text="individ, I can barely understand your English, but it sounds like you are too angry to be able to understand the points that people are making. (For example, your post at the Hilbert's 10th problem was *wildly* off-topic.) I think there is little point now in my trying to help you see. I gently suggest that you take a break from MO for a while. (Or, you can continue down this path of mutual frustration. It's your choice.)" CreationDate="2015-01-28T14:38:38.140" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9669" PostId="2105" Score="23" Text="I think you can judge what is on-topic here, and guide your student to write a well-formulated MO question. At least in my opinion it is better that the student owns the question if it is theirs -- introducing advisors 'co-owning' posts on MO would feel strange, I think. If you feel you would like to give some support, you could encourage your student to refer to you in the question, and afterwards maybe post a supporting comment." CreationDate="2015-01-27T17:34:12.943" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9670" PostId="2105" Score="5" Text="A group of people can decide to formulate and ask a question together even if there is no student-advisor relation between them, but I think it is always best to have a clear corresponding author. If necessary, you can indicate co-ownership with a little end remark. Also vote up and add to favorites to follow! If someone (professor, student, or anyone else) has good questions and answers to offer, their contribution will be received well. If you help her get started, I'm sure she'll be welcome and learn quickly how MO works. I see no reason to keep your student away from the wonderland of MO." CreationDate="2015-01-27T19:19:26.560" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9672" PostId="2105" Score="3" Text="Having people share an account seems to have fewer issues (the major one being appearance of multiple styles and personalities, in my opinion) than people forming a cabal and abusing the voting system with multiple accounts.  Make sure that you and she do not create the appearance of the latter, primarily by having her not vote initially.  Gerhard &quot;Multiple Accounts, Not Multiple Votes&quot; Paseman, 2015.01.27" CreationDate="2015-01-27T20:49:34.980" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9673" PostId="2105" Score="0" Text="What should be the *technical* effect of this &quot;endorsement&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-01-27T21:06:08.577" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9687" PostId="2105" Score="2" Text="Well, she asked the question last night and it got closed. So now I am going to edit it and try to re-open it. I believe that when I try to re-open it'll ask me if I'm willing to sponsor it or something, so that answers quid's question about what an endorsement might look like." CreationDate="2015-01-28T12:53:20.350" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="9688" PostId="2105" Score="0" Text="Okay, I edited it. Here's the link if anyone is interested to see how this plays out: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/195046/papers-about-decentralized-search-and-cluster. I should have vetted the question as Gerhard suggested, but now we'll see if the edit and reopen strategy works or not. We do seem to close questions from new users very easily nowadays." CreationDate="2015-01-28T13:09:07.793" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="9689" PostId="2105" Score="3" Text="I reopened. As I said in a comment there, I do think the closing votes were reasonable. You might need to guide your student in the craft of formulating good MO questions." CreationDate="2015-01-28T13:14:43.737" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9693" PostId="2105" Score="0" Text="Hi Todd. Thanks. I agree about the closing votes, which is why I made such an extensive edit to give the context. I'll use this as a teachable moment." CreationDate="2015-01-28T16:31:11.513" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="9697" PostId="2105" Score="0" Text="I do not feel my question was answered, and I have no idea what you mean when you say that &quot;it'll ask me if I'm willing to sponsor it or something&quot; as there is merely a confirmation dialog." CreationDate="2015-01-28T21:27:50.177" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9699" PostId="2105" Score="0" Text="@quid: when I voted to reopen, a dialogue popped up saying &quot;are you sure you want to sponsor this question for reopening?&quot; So at that moment I was throwing my support behind my student. My question here was wondering if any formalized method of professors mentoring their students on MO would be supported by the community or what that would look like. I explicitly did not propose a model; I was hoping one might bubble up. The effect would hopefully be that the community would interact with the student in a mentoring way rather than in a harsh way as we sometimes seem to do." CreationDate="2015-01-28T23:17:14.193" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="9700" PostId="2105" Score="4" Text="I think MO has gotten less friendly towards new users. Many of my early posts would now be closed and I probably would have become disillusioned. I suspect others who joined as grad students in 2010 or so feel similarly. Personally, I blame the close queue, since people can vote to close without really reading things (and they even get a badge for slogging through the queue long enough). I'm not sure if the community wants to be friendlier to students or not, so that's what I was trying to get at." CreationDate="2015-01-28T23:17:49.627" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="9701" PostId="2105" Score="1" Text="This is a broad issue. The threshold for a question to &quot;pass&quot; definitely increased. I would not blame the close queue too much as this happened earlier already. It does contribute though likely. But this leads us off-topic." CreationDate="2015-01-28T23:22:04.707" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9702" PostId="2105" Score="9" Text="On the proposal: I do not like the idea for a multitude of reasons. A main one is that *if* there is a problem for new users/students then we should try to fix it for everybody, not just those that happen to know somebody around here. Going the way that you  propose might well make the situation for those &quot;outside&quot; still worse. One of the nice things about MO is/was that it opened a way to a community of research mathematicians also to those that did not have access to it naturally." CreationDate="2015-01-28T23:25:30.540" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9704" PostId="2105" Score="0" Text="On the technicality: it does not say &quot;sponsor&quot; at least not for me, it says &quot;nominate.&quot; And this is as standard a confirmation dialog as it gets. It could say just as well &quot;Are you sure you want to vote to reopen?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-01-29T10:30:19.970" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9671" PostId="2106" Score="4" Text="If she provides useful answers, you can upvote one or two of them to get her toward commenting reputation, as long as it does not become an abuse of the system.  You can also upvote her question, but that is a slower path to functional reputation.  Gerhard &quot;Voting Up Comments Feels Good&quot; Paseman, 2015.01.27" CreationDate="2015-01-27T20:42:03.270" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9712" PostId="2106" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your answer. I should have done a better job of vetting it, as you suggested. I will also direct her attention to the FAQ before her next post." CreationDate="2015-01-30T02:18:20.510" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="9676" PostId="2107" Score="6" Text="&quot;Famous&quot; means &quot;10000 views by *anybody*&quot; -- the vast majority of these views can be by people who have nothing to do with MathOverflow. Thus the quickest way to get a question &quot;famous&quot; in the sense of the badge is to post the link in some place where *LOTS* of people see it, and to use a text for the link which makes average people curious. Perhaps this has happened here." CreationDate="2015-01-27T23:57:20.497" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9677" PostId="2107" Score="1" Text="&quot;famous&quot; could also mean &quot;viral&quot;, as in the perfect billiards break posted some months ago.  I imagine the present question ranks high on certain web searches." CreationDate="2015-01-28T00:04:18.727" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9678" PostId="2107" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: By *anybody*, or *anybody with an MO account*? (Which does not undermine your point...)" CreationDate="2015-01-28T00:08:53.143" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="9679" PostId="2107" Score="1" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: I think anybody on the internet." CreationDate="2015-01-28T00:21:09.237" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9686" PostId="2107" Score="2" Text="Google seems to like Stack Exchange, and that's a very good page title for capturing people with that sort of question." CreationDate="2015-01-28T11:54:26.807" UserId="25485" />
  <row Id="9698" PostId="2107" Score="3" Text="The math.SE duplicate of this question has over 45,000 views by now. Compare and contrast." CreationDate="2015-01-28T21:35:53.840" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9674" PostId="2108" Score="15" Text="Wow, you're in high school? Your responses seem very mature. I'm not sure about the &quot;research level&quot; though of your popular question -- it just happens sometimes that a question tickles the fancy of users. Your question here by the way is a tough one." CreationDate="2015-01-27T23:09:27.247" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9675" PostId="2108" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I am not [always](https://plus.google.com/112084229900022559058/posts/euT33fNgcMS) [mature](https://plus.google.com/112084229900022559058/posts/fJE3p9mx7Jg)?" CreationDate="2015-01-27T23:12:44.810" UserId="65915" />
  <row Id="9680" PostId="2108" Score="0" Text="Part of it is recognising what is a grammatical statement in the language of research mathematics, another part of it is recognising that the statement is meaningful (&quot;I ate grandma's fish scooter&quot; is a grammatical sentence but is pretty meaningless), and a third part is being able to make some sort of Bayesian judgment that the question is a sensible thing to ask (for instance: &quot;is my proof of Riemann using my proof of Goldbach correct?&quot; is not sensible, because the answer, almost surely, will be no, with nothing learned by anyone). Each of these requires familiarity that comes from use/time." CreationDate="2015-01-28T01:14:28.273" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="9681" PostId="2108" Score="20" Text="&quot;research level&quot; is a code phrase for &quot;acceptable to most of the MO community&quot;, and is a characteristic that changes over time.  Learn  by doing, and take closures and criticisms as feedback, and not as social censure." CreationDate="2015-01-28T03:23:39.440" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9684" PostId="2108" Score="1" Text="It may also be good to note that one cannot always judge if a question will be well-received based on previous questions if those questions are old enough (not that you are doing that here, it is just a general comment). I have a feeling my first question here would not have been received nearly as well today for example (nor possibly some of my other early questions)." CreationDate="2015-01-28T08:04:18.303" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="9694" PostId="2108" Score="2" Text="@PyRulez  I should point out that I ask quite a few questions which are hard for me on math.stackexchange, just because I know that they are not &quot;up to snuff&quot; for MO.  One can profitably use both sites for their respective purposes." CreationDate="2015-01-28T17:37:42.737" UserId="1106" />
  <row Id="9696" PostId="2108" Score="2" Text="@David: I'll have you know that grandma's fish scooter is one of my favorite dishes! :-)" CreationDate="2015-01-28T21:26:55.870" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9682" PostId="2109" Score="21" Text="Oh, by the way: learn lots of mathematics! All category theory and nothing else makes Jack a dull boy. :-)" CreationDate="2015-01-28T04:00:08.780" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9685" PostId="2109" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I was thinking that first question may have been a fluke. (I wonder if we should have intermediateflow, for intermediate people.) I'll make sure to do more research on my questions (and learn more maths.)" CreationDate="2015-01-28T11:30:46.513" UserId="65915" />
  <row Id="9690" PostId="2109" Score="2" Text="Todd, I didn't know that Math.SE is &quot;overflowing&quot;. That's a useful remark that perhaps should be disseminated in MO somehow. (I haven't used Math.SE to this point, but maybe I will in light of your remark.)" CreationDate="2015-01-28T14:09:47.740" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="9692" PostId="2109" Score="6" Text="@NickGill That's my perception anyway. Another problem I see personally is that many *responses* have a hard time getting attention or traction: sometimes when I go there to answer, my posts get no feedback (no votes, no comments, no nuttin'). If that happens to others as well, the feeling might be: what's the point, then? (But, it probably doesn't help that I identify there as userxyzuv -- silly, perhaps, but I had wanted to see how it felt being a semi-anonymous user.)" CreationDate="2015-01-28T15:02:02.693" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9748" PostId="2109" Score="4" Text="@PyRulez: For what it's worth, I'm a math Ph.D. student, and I've both asked and answered questions on Math.SE that were directly relevant to my research. To me, Math.SE *is* MathIntermediateflow, and I don't think there's any harm or shame in asking sophisticated questions there." CreationDate="2015-02-04T07:39:42.187" UserId="1096" />
  <row Id="9837" PostId="2109" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble, I strongly agree with your feeling. I'm also a high-school level &quot;&quot;mathematician&quot;&quot; and in the last 6 months I often had the (bad)idea to come here on MO because my questions did remain(and still are) unanswered for days and days, even with 2-3 consecutive bounties!!!. For few seconds I thought that was for the extreme sophistication and complexity of my last questions... well I'm joking...I guess that MSE is really getting less active." CreationDate="2015-02-16T18:30:06.820" UserId="44498" />
  <row Id="9838" PostId="2109" Score="2" Text="@MphLee Thanks for your feedback. I am beginning to believe that M.SE is becoming in many ways highly dysfunctional. I rarely have a good feeling when I am over there (frankly, I feel a great deal more camaraderie and mutual support here than I do there). I'm not sure how to get a good and frank discussion going about this." CreationDate="2015-02-16T18:52:52.033" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9839" PostId="2109" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble I think that it could be a very complex problem to face imho. The first reason is that probably the perception of a drop in the efficiency could be seen as subjective... or better... local. **continue**" CreationDate="2015-02-16T19:04:18.553" UserId="44498" />
  <row Id="9840" PostId="2109" Score="3" Text="**continue**I mean, I guess that MSE (as MO probably) is composed by alot of subcommunities(by topic) that  seems to have a considerable degree of independence so is possible that the drop of &quot;efficiency&quot; or &quot;functionality&quot; happened to few subcommunities while other have remained the same, or improved. In other words, maybe only my favourites topics have less ativity, or something like that. Another reason is that I don't see how we could fix a lack of interest in some topic (set of tags), if this was the real cause." CreationDate="2015-02-16T19:05:15.060" UserId="44498" />
  <row Id="9703" PostId="2110" Score="11" Text="My guess (without having looked at data) is that you're seeing an upward blip in the number of such questions because we are near the beginning of a new semester." CreationDate="2015-01-29T05:41:42.860" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="9706" PostId="2110" Score="6" Text="Telling a non-research question apart from a research one isn't something the person asking the question can be expected to do; it often requires more expertise than answering the question." CreationDate="2015-01-29T18:56:44.373" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="9707" PostId="2111" Score="2" Text="I think turning comments into answers depends on question quality.  Pretending for now that there is agreement on a standard of quality, I would prefer to see low quality questions unanswered, and rather see effort turn them into high quality questions.  As an example, instead of seeing a question equivalent to an undergraduate or &quot;teeth-cutting&quot; exercise explained in full in an answer, I prefer either a hint in a comment or two, or else see the question reworked into a broader example of which the initial question is an introduction.  Gerhard &quot;Don't Just Answer, But Edify&quot; Paseman, 2015.01.29" CreationDate="2015-01-29T18:58:46.393" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9758" PostId="2111" Score="1" Text="If a question is trivial and the answers are given in a comment, but after some days neither has the commenter transformed the comment into an answer, nor has the OP created such an answer, maybe a good solution would be to put it &quot;on hold&quot; with a motive something like &quot;The question has been answered in the comments.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-02-06T15:36:11.653" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="9785" PostId="2111" Score="2" Text="After a certain amount of time, a fake answer by a user called &quot;FROM_COMMENT&quot; could be created saying &quot;check the comments for this question&quot;. Decision would be moderator." CreationDate="2015-02-10T00:57:42.937" UserId="3005" />
  <row Id="9708" PostId="2113" Score="0" Text="I don't think such flags are needed. A sensible way to proceed is to vote to close such questions -- unless the question answered in a comment is good and clearly on-topic, this is what I favor -- just give as close reason 'other' -&gt; 'The question has been answered in the comments'. Concerning poor questions with score 0 (or score 1 with at most 1 comment): just downvote them if you see no reason for keeping them -- then they get automatically cleaned up (i.e. deleted) after a while." CreationDate="2015-01-30T00:20:43.353" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9709" PostId="2113" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl: Perhaps an explicit &quot;This question has been answered in comments&quot; close reason would be useful?" CreationDate="2015-01-30T00:42:55.107" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9710" PostId="2113" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Sorry, I meant for questions which are on-topic and reasonably interesting.  Is closing a good solution for such questions?  Presumably someone could flesh out a proper answer if interested." CreationDate="2015-01-30T01:16:52.060" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="9713" PostId="2113" Score="2" Text="If you see an interesting and on-topic question that has been answered in the comments, upvote the question and ask the commenter to give a full answer or give one yourself. (If you feel something should be done and you can do it, do it!) A short answer that repeats the key comments is easy to write and requires no moderator action, so I see no reason for flags for this purpose." CreationDate="2015-01-30T05:15:30.843" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9716" PostId="2113" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: Yes, I think adding such close reason as one of the main alternatives would be useful. -- Would it be possible to add such close reason, without removing one of the present alternatives?" CreationDate="2015-01-30T14:05:08.180" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9718" PostId="2113" Score="1" Text="@Kimball: I'd say: summarize the relevant comments in a CW answer wherever&#xA;you deem it worth the effort, and vote to close otherwise.&#xA;If it's a question of a regular MO user, they will likely deal with the case&#xA;themselves, and you don't need to do anything. If in doubt, leave a comment&#xA;as a reminder." CreationDate="2015-01-30T14:32:40.243" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9719" PostId="2113" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: Yes, there is room for one more. Just make a separate meta question so the community can comment on the proposal." CreationDate="2015-01-30T17:31:45.497" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="9721" PostId="2113" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: Ah, I see. -- If I understand you correctly that there is room for *precisely one* more close reason, of course besides whether an &quot;answered in the comments&quot; close reason would be a good thing to have, there would be the question whether there is no other close reason which would be even more important to have." CreationDate="2015-01-30T17:51:56.823" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9733" PostId="2113" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: My overall guess from what I see *here* is that people seem to be not overly enthusiastic about adding a close reason -- though given the low viewcount of *this* thread, I'm not sure." CreationDate="2015-01-31T18:48:41.563" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9711" PostId="2115" Score="6" Text="I think this answer is great! (and I thought that even before I got to the part where you called me &quot;fantastically experienced&quot;). Thanks for sharing your advice." CreationDate="2015-01-30T02:17:33.553" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="9714" PostId="2116" Score="4" Text="If you have something meaningful to add (or edit) to your question, it is always appropriate to edit it. I'm not opposed to small edits to bump the question if it is done rarely enough. I see no problem if you do that, say, once a week for four weeks. The limits for what would be a reasonable amount of such advertising are open to debate. But remember to give up if you have no significant edits to make and no one responds despite several bumps; keeping a question artificially alive is not an appropriate long term solution." CreationDate="2015-01-30T10:20:09.300" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9715" PostId="2116" Score="0" Text="My 2 cents: limit yourself to once a month bumps." CreationDate="2015-01-30T13:27:32.857" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="9726" PostId="2116" Score="11" Text="Why not offer a bounty instead if it is of enough interest?" CreationDate="2015-01-31T09:18:16.340" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="9720" PostId="2118" Score="2" Text="Really? The second question is q number 115 from where I stand." CreationDate="2015-01-30T17:50:02.983" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9722" PostId="2118" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble When I click on &quot;share&quot; there, they give me identical url" CreationDate="2015-01-30T17:52:54.137" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9723" PostId="2118" Score="3" Text="Very strange. Not for me." CreationDate="2015-01-30T17:57:21.117" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9725" PostId="2118" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble After the answer I looked more carefully - sorry, they are not identical, the last part caught my attention and I overlooked the middle part" CreationDate="2015-01-30T20:45:13.440" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9724" PostId="2119" Score="0" Text="Oh I see now, thanks for the explanation!" CreationDate="2015-01-30T20:42:51.453" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9727" PostId="2120" Score="2" Text="Your question is about (infinite, nonabelian) compact subgroups $G$ of $SO(3)$, and one thing that came out in comments was the assertion that the only one is $SO(3)$. I believe that is correct. I think it comes down to checking that the normalizer of an $S^1$ in $SO(3)$ is the same subgroup $S^1$. I think this is something you can check with your bare hands; it might be easier to lift the problem up to the universal cover which is the group of unit quaternions, and check it there. See if that helps." CreationDate="2015-01-31T14:28:31.153" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9728" PostId="2120" Score="2" Text="In case my last comment was cryptic: certainly a *connected* compact subgroup of $SO(3)$ is either trivial, $S^1$, or all of $SO(3)$ (this is essentially a Lie algebra computation). And the connected component of a compact subgroup $G$ will be normal in $G$ and of finite index. So the only nontrivial case to check is where the connected component is an $S^1$; since $G$ is contained in the normalizer, it suffices to show the normalizer is just $S^1$ itself." CreationDate="2015-01-31T15:44:09.040" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9730" PostId="2120" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble  Thank you very much for your interesting comments" CreationDate="2015-01-31T18:19:18.200" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="9732" PostId="2120" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble  what about the pure algebraic version of my question.(Not taking closure): are there two copy of F2 in SO3 which can not be carry to each other via an automorphism of SO3?" CreationDate="2015-01-31T18:47:04.683" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="9735" PostId="2120" Score="1" Text="Ali, I suspect that all Lie group automorphisms $\phi$ of $SO(3)$ are inner (e.g., see: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/40666/what-is-the-outer-automorphism-group-of-sun). Thus, given $g, g' \in SO(3)$, the angle between the axes of rotation for $g$ and $g'$ should equal the angle between the axes of rotation for $\phi(g), \phi(g')$. On the other hand, &quot;most&quot; homomorphisms $F_2 \to SO(3)$ should be embeddings, and by a cardinality argument the countable sets of angles you get from two such embeddings will usually differ. So $Aut(SO(3))$ should not act transitively on images of embeddings." CreationDate="2015-01-31T19:33:56.633" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9729" PostId="2121" Score="0" Text="+1 thank you  very much  for you interesting answer." CreationDate="2015-01-31T18:18:37.763" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="9731" PostId="2121" Score="4" Text="May be I should read the MO aims more carefully. But flexibility of participants could help the beginners in an area." CreationDate="2015-01-31T18:42:37.487" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="9746" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="Since you edited the question after it was closed, it automatically entered the reopen review queue. The fact that it hasn't been reopened indicates that people still consider it unclear; it's not a matter of being forgotten. It is a good idea to ask for clarification here. (This is just a technical remark. It's beyond my expertise to comment on the question itself.)" CreationDate="2015-02-03T20:02:37.830" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9750" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="Oh dear. Well, what to do then? Is the whole question just gone? &#xA;But if I click on the link in the current post, I can still see it." CreationDate="2015-02-04T13:30:06.300" UserId="66428" />
  <row Id="9753" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="I see. So I can only wait and hope, apparently. Which brings me back to the above question." CreationDate="2015-02-04T15:01:24.953" UserId="66428" />
  <row Id="9755" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="OK, thanks! ______________" CreationDate="2015-02-04T19:14:09.933" UserId="66428" />
  <row Id="9822" PostId="2123" Score="4" Text="I'm voting to close this question because the question on MO main it asks about has been deleted in the meantime." CreationDate="2015-02-14T13:38:15.787" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9823" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="I find it pretty disappointing (sickening, actually) that questions can simply get deleted without anyone giving any reasons for that. It's not like my question was facetious or anything." CreationDate="2015-02-14T19:07:00.507" UserId="66428" />
  <row Id="9824" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="@user270264: Your question was probably just autodeleted, without further human intervention -- for autodeletion rules, see [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/78048/enable-automatic-deletion-of-old-unanswered-zero-score-questions-after-a-year/92006#92006)." CreationDate="2015-02-14T20:25:34.347" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9825" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="OK, thanks, but I can't say that I approve of that algorithm for auto-deletion. My question has been around not even for a month, and there would (I think) still have been a decent chance that someone who has some expertise in mathematical logic might stumble upon it and provide  useful feedback." CreationDate="2015-02-14T20:46:37.617" UserId="66428" />
  <row Id="9760" PostId="2126" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure it is generated after the question is posted. If you look closely, you'll see that the list is not there on very new questions either. This is one more reason to give good titles (and not things like &quot;My question regarding maths&quot;), since upon writing the title the system will suggest &quot;similar&quot; questions, which may or may not appear later in the Related section." CreationDate="2015-02-07T09:18:15.407" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9761" PostId="2126" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Yes, I did notice the list beneath the title, this one appears immediately even before typing of the title is finished :) But by my observation it is much less clever than the Related list..." CreationDate="2015-02-07T09:21:26.050" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9764" PostId="2126" Score="5" Text="My impression is that the related column is not only generated after the question is posted, but is periodically updated and takes into account words used in answers (and comments?) on the question." CreationDate="2015-02-07T20:09:59.963" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="9771" PostId="2128" Score="3" Text="You can try to fiddle with settings in the mathjax context menu (in particular, &quot;Math Renderer&quot;), but if it doesn't help, the place to ask is https://groups.google.com/d/forum/mathjax-users ." CreationDate="2015-02-08T11:06:35.773" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9774" PostId="2130" Score="0" Text="I think questions of this type are better suited for academia.SE." CreationDate="2015-02-08T20:13:38.380" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9775" PostId="2130" Score="0" Text="My guess is that it will also be closed on academia.SE, but I'm not particularly active there so I could be wrong.  But it's not an appropriate question for MO.  The reasons for this were amply covered in the comments on the original question." CreationDate="2015-02-08T20:19:10.743" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="9776" PostId="2130" Score="9" Text="wasn't a mathematics question. It was asking personal advice from someone unwilling to use a real name." CreationDate="2015-02-08T20:34:30.127" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9779" PostId="2130" Score="22" Text="@WillJagy  Especially in such a case this seems really odd to reproach this. Can't you imagine that it might be just a bit worrying to complain about interactions with other mathematicians in a public forum read by many mathematicians using ones real name. I mean there will only be that many colleagues that will have   interacted with the person behind that user.  IIRC, there were even cases were regular users of the site created a dedicated anon account just to ask such types of questions." CreationDate="2015-02-09T00:59:56.690" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9780" PostId="2130" Score="3" Text="I suggest that, if a question, comment, answer, absolutely requires anonymity as a prerequisite for public posting, then maybe MO is not the best place for it. Some interpersonal problems have no good solution; I would love certain experts to answer my questions in quadratic forms, in particular continue to reply to email from me; questions I have not even put on MO because of the huge quantity of background required. I don't create extra identities and tell them to be nice to Will Jagy. I don't know how else to put this." CreationDate="2015-02-09T22:03:33.150" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9781" PostId="2130" Score="0" Text="Where was I; I also don't create extra identities to ask various third parties how to get those experts to be nice to the person behind the identity. Sigh." CreationDate="2015-02-09T22:12:23.203" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9782" PostId="2130" Score="0" Text="Well, in case I don't delete these, the experts I mention have answered my questions in the past, very well; I just always have new questions." CreationDate="2015-02-09T22:21:03.373" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9783" PostId="2130" Score="0" Text="@quid, left you some stuff, I think I will leave it in place for a bit." CreationDate="2015-02-09T22:33:49.813" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="9784" PostId="2130" Score="3" Text="@WillJagy thank you I saw it. I agree that the question is not a great fit for the site.  Only, the precise objection felt a bit strange to me. I hope you will find the answers you seek one way or another." CreationDate="2015-02-09T22:52:17.030" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9792" PostId="2134" Score="1" Text="See this question: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2076/55893 You need 75 reputation." CreationDate="2015-02-11T10:33:01.987" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9799" PostId="2136" Score="0" Text="I am not entirely sure merging these two tags is appropriate as, in principle, the tag 'complex-analysis' is supposed to be more specific than the tag 'cv.complex-variables'. In practice, though, the tag 'complex-analysis' may provide little extra information." CreationDate="2015-02-12T19:23:02.527" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="9809" PostId="2136" Score="1" Text="This was already proposed more than a year ago http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1087/ by Andres Caicedo. One might entertain a similar idea for [tag:real-analysis] as  commented there. That being said this extra visibility might be a good thing." CreationDate="2015-02-13T13:36:26.723" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9793" PostId="2137" Score="2" Text="I made the tag wiki excerpt edit suggestion and it was approved." CreationDate="2015-02-12T14:04:12.730" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9800" PostId="2139" Score="4" Text="Much as I appreciate such projects, I would like this to have a question format.  A good question would be &quot;where do I announce such things, and how?&quot;  Since you have already done that here, I recommend the next question &quot;What improvements would you suggest for this particular project?&quot;  My worry is that people will think of MathOverflow meta as a good place to announce their cool project; meta is NOT such a place.  A good place would be a user page, and I can see meta being used to have as answer such posts as your above.  Gerhard &quot;Does It Make MathOverflow Numbers?&quot; Paseman, 2015.02.12" CreationDate="2015-02-12T20:31:37.633" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9801" PostId="2139" Score="1" Text="By the way, to be friendly to users who are color challenged, you might add a mark to each similarly colored circle, perhaps a clock-tick, so that such people who like color-coding can read it off the mark (or maybe use a chord).  Gerhard &quot;Make Such Graphs More Accessible&quot; Paseman, 2015.02.12" CreationDate="2015-02-12T20:36:42.197" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9802" PostId="2139" Score="10" Text="@GerhardPaseman Ad 1 I am aware of it, yet consider it beneficial &amp; interesting for the community; if the community disagrees, there are down and close votes. Ad 2 code is on GitHub, feel invited to Fork or Pull Request with such improvements. In any case, for community detection is an derivate thing, making it simpler to see groupings (at least to some)." CreationDate="2015-02-12T21:38:54.483" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="9803" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="How is the node placement determined? It seems that this is the main information a viewer extracts from the graph, so it would be nice to know what it means." CreationDate="2015-02-12T23:23:37.690" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="9805" PostId="2139" Score="2" Text="The &quot;tag-removed&quot; made me smile, don't ask why. :)" CreationDate="2015-02-13T07:59:01.073" UserId="62629" />
  <row Id="9806" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison Added in the description. In short: a spring model." CreationDate="2015-02-13T10:57:07.563" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="9807" PostId="2139" Score="3" Text="Can you try to detect &quot;cliques of friends&quot;? AFAICT voting is not in the database, but answering/commenting might be of help." CreationDate="2015-02-13T12:55:18.587" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="9810" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="@joro It's certainly possible but a different project (if you want to do it, I would be happy to help - just mail me). With JSON API it is possible to do some of it, but the best way to go is via http://data.stackexchange.com/. In any case, you need to define measure of interaction -&gt; and later community detection like Louvain or (better) Infomap (see README.md of the project on GitHub)." CreationDate="2015-02-13T15:19:27.337" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="9826" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="Absolutely wonderful! One question: although on the image here you have more tags than what I see when I follow your link, there is the tag `nt.number-theory` which is not on your image. And that tag there is moreover not connected to any other tags. Does it mean number theory is sort of an isolated topic at MO??" CreationDate="2015-02-14T20:51:43.273" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9827" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="`nt.number-thoery` is on &quot;my image&quot; (this post, blue, upper-left corner). If there is a problem with it (e.g. on your browser), write an [issue](https://github.com/stared/tagoverflow/issues) - I would be grateful." CreationDate="2015-02-14T21:33:37.040" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="9828" PostId="2139" Score="4" Text="It would be interesting to compare this graph to some measure of (international) professional activity in each subfield, e.g., papers published, # of researchers who identify with subfields, etc. In other words, how representative is the MO weight of `ag.algebraic-geometry`, etc.?" CreationDate="2015-02-15T03:36:30.373" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="9829" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="@PiotrMigdal Oh now I see sorry! There it was orange, probably this confused me. So it is isolated there since 32 tags do not suffice to connect it with any others? I was afraid to invoke 64 because of your warning there :)" CreationDate="2015-02-15T05:34:50.647" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9830" PostId="2139" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე *[Fortune favours the bold](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_favours_the_bold)*! (You can get blocked anyway, with more of smaller queries; but it lasts for a few minutes, not - your lifetime.)" CreationDate="2015-02-15T10:49:54.617" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="9831" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke Great idea. Do you know if there are dumps of arXiv metadata?" CreationDate="2015-02-15T11:33:57.820" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="9832" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="@PiotrMigdal: I am sorry I don't know. But it certainly seems possible that the arXiv managers have collected and examined statistics." CreationDate="2015-02-15T12:14:56.960" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="9834" PostId="2139" Score="1" Text="@PiotrMigdal: Not sure this will help, but: [arXiv statistics](http://arxiv.org/help/stats)." CreationDate="2015-02-15T18:58:10.330" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="9835" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="Is there a signification for the nodes which are in the middle part of the graph?" CreationDate="2015-02-15T19:24:59.920" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="9836" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="@Name Not direct. As explained, position is due to a spring model. Some things being central may be more likely to be in the centre, but it is not if and only if. Or rather - it is only 2d projection, so things can be in middle for many reasons." CreationDate="2015-02-16T12:52:41.370" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="9842" PostId="2139" Score="1" Text="@JosephO'Rourke It is possible - see http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/38969/getting-a-dump-of-arxiv-metadata/." CreationDate="2015-02-16T21:08:47.097" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="9867" PostId="2139" Score="0" Text="Some connecting edges are not visible. Is a bigger version of the graph (and with a better resolution) available?" CreationDate="2015-02-20T09:51:07.710" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="9868" PostId="2139" Score="3" Text="@Name Link: http://stared.github.io/tagoverflow/?site=mathoverflow.net&amp;size=32" CreationDate="2015-02-20T11:03:28.190" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="9869" PostId="2139" Score="2" Text="This is the sort of thing that http://tea.mathoverflow.net would be well suited for, if it were not derelict." CreationDate="2015-02-20T16:48:33.393" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="9812" PostId="2140" Score="7" Text="&quot;I thus think that old questions must be protected in some way.&quot; Why?" CreationDate="2015-02-13T18:34:26.327" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9816" PostId="2140" Score="5" Text="I agree that it usually doesn't make much sense to close old, answered questions. Though occasionally there are exceptions, e.g. soft questions which start to attract low-quality answers, so forbidding closure of old questions would probably not be good either. A reasonable compromise might be to make an old question not enter the &quot;close votes review queue&quot; and not be listed on any list of questions with close votes when a close vote on them is cast -- this way it would only be closed if 5 people *independent of one another* come across the question and find it &quot;worth&quot; closing." CreationDate="2015-02-13T20:15:22.043" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9817" PostId="2140" Score="7" Text="@StefanKohl, that has the issue that close votes expire if there are no more votes within four days. Those five voters-to-close should act almost simultaneously on an old question, which sounds rare. See this: http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/56614" CreationDate="2015-02-13T20:37:24.220" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9818" PostId="2140" Score="2" Text="Sometimes those are review audits, not real closure votes." CreationDate="2015-02-13T20:58:13.957" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9819" PostId="2140" Score="4" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta: Yes, of course. -- That's on purpose -- I think an old question should usually only be closed if it is a nuisance to a couple of people within a short time (which may happen if a question is bumped up by low-quality answers)." CreationDate="2015-02-13T21:07:50.320" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9820" PostId="2140" Score="10" Text="As I see it, the fact that close votes expire after a couple of days is already a strong protection of old questions, and no further limitation is needed." CreationDate="2015-02-13T23:07:38.063" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9821" PostId="2141" Score="5" Text="Ok, you changed my mind, although I still find some closing votes absurd." CreationDate="2015-02-14T09:45:03.973" UserId="17836" />
  <row Id="9894" PostId="2142" Score="7" Text="Never has such a beautiful sentence been crafted before, as I was just telling Mrs. Bennett. Bravo for your erudite wit, Master (or Mistress) Foo Bar !" CreationDate="2015-02-26T22:34:41.950" UserId="450" />
  <row Id="16490" PostId="2142" Score="0" Text="MO-MSE differ similarly to AMS-MAA (for example); the latter takes newbies (let alone the general public) a little time to digest, so anyone already familiar with it has a head start for understanding the former." CreationDate="2018-06-24T14:35:56.417" UserId="5090" />
  <row Id="9850" PostId="2143" Score="3" Text="Given the disturbing quantity of very low-level questions (not so huge, but enough to bother people to comment/downvote/vote to close), I strongly support your proposal, though I don't see where and how the message could fit, so as to make it widely and instantly read by (most of) newcomers." CreationDate="2015-02-18T10:14:18.343" UserId="62629" />
  <row Id="9853" PostId="2143" Score="0" Text="@Hachino, maybe a `new-user` tag with the message in the roll-over? Then a note for new users to use that tag: if you are a `new-user`, use this tag." CreationDate="2015-02-18T14:37:31.410" UserId="16888" />
  <row Id="9854" PostId="2143" Score="1" Text="Hm, I was more thinking about something to put on the frontpage, more or less close to the &quot;take the 2 minutes tour&quot; message. The idea is that anyone coming on MO for the first time should immediately see _&quot;research-level&quot;_ and understand what it implies. I like your idea of a tag, but it might not be as visible as needed for our purpose." CreationDate="2015-02-18T14:40:04.400" UserId="62629" />
  <row Id="9855" PostId="2143" Score="23" Text="I'd rather suggest something like this: when a new user clicks the&#xA;&quot;Ask Question&quot; button, a box appears which says &quot;You are about to ask a&#xA;question on a Q&amp;A site for professional mathematicians. Before you continue,&#xA;it is recommended that you read about the site rules.&quot;. Here &quot;site rules&quot;&#xA;links to a text along the lines of the one I gave, and the box provides two&#xA;alternatives to choose from: &quot;continue&quot; with a thin frame (and which is greyed&#xA;out before the user has clicked on &quot;site rules&quot;), and &quot;cancel&quot; with a bold frame.&#xA;If the user clicks &quot;continue&quot;, they can enter their question as usual." CreationDate="2015-02-18T15:06:47.420" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9861" PostId="2143" Score="13" Text="@StefanKohl, agreed, and I think such a popup ought to explicitly mention and link to math.stackexchange.com as an alternative. If they already know what math.se is then there is no harm done, but if they are a new user and they don't know what math.se is, then probably it is worth their time to check it out because there is a good chance that their question is better-suited for math.se." CreationDate="2015-02-18T20:36:54.547" UserId="29697" />
  <row Id="9862" PostId="2143" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl : Nice solution indeed. Could we reasonably hope to see it implemented in MO 3.0 ? :)" CreationDate="2015-02-19T11:53:54.693" UserId="62629" />
  <row Id="14188" PostId="2143" Score="0" Text="Interesting point, but what if the Riemann hypothesis were solved and then months later one (not necessarily the solver) makes a question and answer pair showing how it was solved with proper citations. Would that be allowed seeing as how it provides knowledge to the community?" CreationDate="2017-04-01T21:26:23.140" UserId="91299" />
  <row Id="9865" PostId="2145" Score="1" Text="In my opinion, this depends less on 1960-2010 and more on the culture during the time when the history books are written. (History isn't completely subjective, but writing about history is shaped very strongly by when it is written)" CreationDate="2015-02-19T15:39:04.027" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="9845" PostId="2147" Score="0" Text="I would accept this answer too if I could, thanks. I still accepted another one only because sometimes I (or anybody else) would still prefer to place illustration separately. In that case making it community wiki seems to be the right thing to do." CreationDate="2015-02-18T09:27:48.873" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9844" PostId="2148" Score="0" Text="Excellent suggestion! I will do it this way from now on" CreationDate="2015-02-18T09:26:01.880" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9846" PostId="2148" Score="1" Text="...well on the afterthought - it could also viewed as a trick to avoid reputation loss through downvotes :) But this is mostly not an issue I believe" CreationDate="2015-02-18T09:32:39.820" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9847" PostId="2148" Score="6" Text="Given the quality of your last picture, I highly doubt you could fear reputation loss. :) Nevertheless, I personnally think that potential reputation gain from your pictures would not be without merit." CreationDate="2015-02-18T09:34:46.503" UserId="62629" />
  <row Id="9848" PostId="2148" Score="1" Text="Thanks :) But this is precisely what the question was about, except I now realize I did not formulate it clearly enough. I would not mind getting reputation for an illustration **as an illustration**, but when something is put as an answer when it is not actually an answer this seems to be wrong somehow. For example, it could be arranged that illustrations get less points than answers or something like that, I'm not sure..." CreationDate="2015-02-18T09:41:36.883" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="9849" PostId="2148" Score="0" Text="Mh, okay, I see your point." CreationDate="2015-02-18T09:45:11.893" UserId="62629" />
  <row Id="9852" PostId="2149" Score="0" Text="I am not sure it'd be appropriate there; maybe if 2010 was at least something a little more in the past." CreationDate="2015-02-18T13:58:07.933" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9856" PostId="2149" Score="0" Text="@quid: That's up for debate http://meta.hsm.stackexchange.com/questions/167/how-many-years-to-be-considered-as-history" CreationDate="2015-02-18T15:59:34.873" UserId="18086" />
  <row Id="9857" PostId="2149" Score="2" Text="@ZackWolske well, yes, which is why I said that I am not sure. To ask for an evaluation of math that was done in 2010 on a historical scale seems in any case premature to me. I think I would vote to close as primarily opinion based (there and here)." CreationDate="2015-02-18T16:06:51.907" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9863" PostId="2149" Score="0" Text="@quid: I think that 2010 is a very interesting year, since it was the year I started my M.Sc. and began taking interest in the axiom of choice. If that is not a seminal event in mathematical history, I don't know what is. :-)" CreationDate="2015-02-19T14:01:50.343" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9864" PostId="2149" Score="5" Text="@Asaf I agree completely. However, arguably this fact is not yet well-known. It will take some years until this is generally recognized, which is why I think the question is premature and the history cannot yet be written." CreationDate="2015-02-19T14:03:54.923" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9858" PostId="2150" Score="0" Text="There are no notifications about comments under an answer to one's question. If you would like to change this, or make it possible to switch such notifications on if one wants so, you could make a feature request." CreationDate="2015-02-18T20:16:32.913" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="9859" PostId="2150" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl would it be enough to add the feature request tag to the current post?" CreationDate="2015-02-18T20:21:59.140" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="9860" PostId="2150" Score="1" Text="If you rewrite this post as a concrete feature request instead of a question, then yes." CreationDate="2015-02-18T20:32:58.250" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15880" PostId="2150" Score="0" Text="Probably you could be able to achieve this with [StackEye - Chrome Extension to follow users and questions on StackExchange sites](https://stackapps.com/q/4454). (I have not tried it myself, so I am hesitant to post this as an answer.)" CreationDate="2018-01-21T09:08:45.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15881" PostId="2150" Score="0" Text="I have seen this mentioned a few times in discussions on Mathematics Meta - so you can look there (or on the main meta) whether also some other advice given there might be useful for you. Here are some posts from Mathematics Meta: [Is there any way to subscribe to a thread so you get email notifications?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21214), [A way to “watch” questions?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6994), [Can I follow a question?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/11783), [Mark problems as “notify me if answer is posted”?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4867)" CreationDate="2018-01-21T09:09:41.393" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15882" PostId="2150" Score="0" Text="I will also add that you can add questions to your [favorites](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/favorites/info). This does not give you notifications, but IIRC when something happens on the question (new answer, new comment, etc.) it gets highlighted on favorite tab." CreationDate="2018-01-21T09:10:53.800" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24247" PostId="2150" Score="1" Text="Now there is a possibility to follow a post (which includes possibility to follow an answer to your question). Links to more information can be found [in the corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/follow-post/info)." CreationDate="2020-12-06T11:35:21.133" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="9878" PostId="2153" Score="5" Text="This assumes the law of excluded middle." CreationDate="2015-02-22T00:17:25.027" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9881" PostId="2153" Score="1" Text="Actually, it just assumes that either the answer is currently known or the answer is not currently known.  The law of excluded middle is more general.  Also, he hasn't said QED; he may present Case III later." CreationDate="2015-02-22T06:30:37.177" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9886" PostId="2153" Score="4" Text="Actually, the assumption that books of the future are disjoint from books of the present worries me much more that the law of excluded middle." CreationDate="2015-02-23T10:39:39.483" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9888" PostId="2153" Score="0" Text="@Emil: I am sure that in a million years nobody will read Jech, or Kunen or even Grothendieck. Their books will be disjoint from ours, probably in language as well. I doubt French or English will survive that long." CreationDate="2015-02-24T00:07:11.433" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9889" PostId="2153" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: I see. So, in your opinion, there's present, then a million years of nameless void, and only then a future? That considerably simplifies the OP's question." CreationDate="2015-02-24T10:54:16.610" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="9890" PostId="2153" Score="1" Text="@Emil: No, of course not, but being naturally interested almost entirely in the transfinite, I am allowing some finitely many years of chaos, as long as eventually things will stabilize. Here I even gave an upper bound for the finite period of problematic future! And it's quite small too, smaller than the number of molecules in your average drop of water! :-)" CreationDate="2015-02-24T11:23:26.080" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9895" PostId="2155" Score="7" Text="There are many who participate in both forums.  I think the usual guidance given to questions that are better suited elsewhere is applicable to questions suited for ME.SE.  Tweaking the help pages to include it is good.  Migrating historical ME questions from MO is not good.  Spreading awareness of ME.SE in a low-key fashion is good.  Reacting as if to anticipate a serious problem is not good: I don't think conditions are such that any strong or even mild reaction to ME.SE's presence is required.  Just go about as usual, and refer to the other forums as needed." CreationDate="2015-02-28T05:32:22.867" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="9896" PostId="2155" Score="1" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger, I agree that there is not big alarming issue that we should be reacting to. Migrating old questions would be an overkill. My original thought was that spreading the word is a sufficient reaction, but there are several ways to do that. There are many who participate in both forums and word gets around, but there are always new people looking for a place for their questions, too." CreationDate="2015-02-28T05:52:03.723" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9898" PostId="2155" Score="5" Text="This question now shows up on the list of hot meta posts, which looks like excellent advertisement for MESE." CreationDate="2015-02-28T19:56:59.810" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9899" PostId="2155" Score="2" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger: Merely for completeness let me add that in any case, migrating questions that are older than 60 days is impossible, even for moderators. And, while there is a procedure of seeding new sites with old questions from other sites, this is either done at the very start or not at all." CreationDate="2015-02-28T22:34:34.130" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9913" PostId="2155" Score="5" Text="@AsafKaragila, did you know that comments on meta are not meant solely for humorous remarks? :)" CreationDate="2015-03-04T16:37:11.560" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9914" PostId="2155" Score="0" Text="Joonas, that doesn't sound right. Are you sure about that? :-)" CreationDate="2015-03-04T16:43:48.473" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9915" PostId="2155" Score="3" Text="@Asaf, I'm almost sure, but I could of course be mistaken. :-) Maybe you should ask this at meta if you are not afraid of losing an excuse for bad jokes." CreationDate="2015-03-04T17:00:21.557" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9916" PostId="2155" Score="0" Text="I am okay with plausible deniability. :-P" CreationDate="2015-03-04T17:03:02.933" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9897" PostId="2158" Score="5" Text="Would it be premature to mention MESE at our help pages before it goes out of beta? I think the difference of the scopes of the two sites is reasonably well defined even if MESE hasn't fully decided what is on-topic there." CreationDate="2015-02-28T19:49:09.213" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9909" PostId="2158" Score="0" Text="You make Stack Exchange sound like a petri dish." CreationDate="2015-03-03T11:32:54.573" UserId="65915" />
  <row Id="9900" PostId="2159" Score="5" Text="I totally agree. If a question is of considerable interest on several sites, I see no obstruction for posting it on all of them, as long the cross-posts are linked." CreationDate="2015-03-03T04:35:27.983" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9910" PostId="2159" Score="6" Text="In general I have a positive opinion towards the idea of reasonable cross-posting. However, I would only add that I think it is almost always better to; a) not post at the exact same time, but with a delay of a couple of days, b) to ask variations of the question on the different sites (as opposed to just copy-paste). Especially, if one does a) the latter question might already be informed by answers to the former." CreationDate="2015-03-04T12:00:15.727" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="22220" PostId="2159" Score="0" Text="Since link to the MO question is mentioned in the post, perhaps it might be useful to add also a link to the HSM question: [When exactly (and why) did matrices become a part of the undergraduate curriculum?](https://hsm.stackexchange.com/q/198) (HSM was also mentioned in this answer: [Is there a consensus on whether history of mathematics questions are acceptable on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/394#4256))" CreationDate="2020-05-19T07:33:21.810" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22222" PostId="2159" Score="0" Text="@Martin Sleziak: thanks for your suggestion. I will add the link." CreationDate="2020-05-19T12:39:00.260" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="9922" PostId="2163" Score="0" Text="I think you want to say &quot;... about topics in graduate level courses&quot;.  There are general questions that could apply to many graduate level courses that would have varying levels of being on/off topic in both fora.  I agree with you that topic specific questions are better here on MathOverflow, but there are non-topic-specific questions about graduate level courses that are better suited for MathEducators.  Gerhard &quot;Pigeonholing Helps Organize My Mind&quot; Paseman, 2015.03.05" CreationDate="2015-03-05T18:28:57.753" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10001" PostId="2163" Score="1" Text="Somewhere between the two I think. I want questions of the form &quot;How should I teach graduate level topic $X$ in the context of a course where we have covered $Y_1$, $Y_2$ and $Y_3$, but not $Z_1$ or $Z_2$?&quot; This is a different sort of question than simply &quot;What are some ways/the best way of thinking about $X$?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-03-09T16:01:30.650" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="9917" PostId="2164" Score="10" Text="There is no chat facility for specific users, and there's really no good way of responding to comments in this situation. Let me add (by way of explanation to the community) that posts on meta are normally not removed, but the two answers you gave were heavily downvoted and received multiple flags as having zero constructive value and seemingly composed in fits of pique, and were removed on recommendation from respected users. They might be reopened by another moderator, but I doubt it." CreationDate="2015-03-05T12:47:27.133" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9935" PostId="2164" Score="2" Text="Life is full of things that die out before achieving some form of closure. That's just how things work. Sometimes people leave comments and for one reason or another you end up not being able to reply. That's part of life. Get used to it, move on." CreationDate="2015-03-05T23:34:22.740" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9918" PostId="2165" Score="6" Text="I would strongly counsel against emailing users even if their email address is public, except in cases where you know the person and the message will be received in a good spirit." CreationDate="2015-03-05T12:52:45.877" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9920" PostId="2165" Score="4" Text="Joonas, I find this answer slightly confusing because the OP hadn't asked a question that got deleted, much less a &quot;reasonable&quot; one. It was an answer for which I see no redeeming value." CreationDate="2015-03-05T12:55:08.227" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9921" PostId="2165" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble, I mixed the user with another one with the same name who asked this duplicate question: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2160/whats-the-difference-between-math-se-and-mathoverflow Let me edit the answer accordingly." CreationDate="2015-03-05T13:30:48.407" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9924" PostId="2165" Score="1" Text="Thanks for clarifying, Joonas; makes perfect sense now. Also let me add that one user downvoted your answer by accident and meant to upvote. I'm going to upvote this myself as a compensation." CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:01:30.547" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9927" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble, perhaps I should have checked more carefully. It didn't cross my mind that there would be two new users with the same name (if they even were different users). And thanks for the polishing edit!" CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:15:53.283" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9930" PostId="2165" Score="1" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta I guess for a polite approach , I will just have to wait for Mr David Roberts and Mr Christian Clason ( the users who commented ) to bump in over here and hear me or provide a suitable alternative or just ignore it ." CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:26:26.403" UserId="68752" />
  <row Id="9931" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="If they do reply over here , I guess using this post's comment , the conversation can be completed and then deleted ." CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:27:38.143" UserId="68752" />
  <row Id="9933" PostId="2165" Score="5" Text="@stud, I don't know the original discussion, but I would guess that it's not necessary to finish it. Some discussions on SE sites may take bad turns or stop and leave a bad taste. The best solution is often to let go. If someone bumps into me at the street and my groceries scatter all over the sidewalk, I will be upset but there is no point in waiting the other person to return and apologize if they disappeared right after the event. I treat similar events here with the same mentality." CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:33:55.050" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9934" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta This is certainly not a bad taster . Your example is very true but I owe them an explaination and there is no harm in just waiting ." CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:40:24.027" UserId="68752" />
  <row Id="10161" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="I have waited for a long time now. So I will be leaving my response here and if its too much then mods can delete it. To Mr David Roberts, Thank you for an extremely good example and to Mr Christian Clason, Thank you for quoting: **Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by laziness.** (If someone can ping them before deleting this, it would be great.)" CreationDate="2015-03-29T12:51:07.907" UserId="68752" />
  <row Id="10162" PostId="2165" Score="3" Text="Dear stud, I saw your comment, and decided not to answer because I have nothing to discuss. I felt my comment self-explanatory. I apologize for seeming rude, I did not realise you placed such importance on the quick comment of someone on the internet who you do not know and who does not know you. I still have nothing to discuss, so I wish you all the best." CreationDate="2015-03-29T15:53:26.207" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10163" PostId="2165" Score="3" Text="PS if you wish to exercise politeness to the extent of calling me _Mr_ David Roberts repeatedly, you may wish to check if that is the correct form of address :-)" CreationDate="2015-03-29T15:55:23.813" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="9923" PostId="2166" Score="0" Text="I dont understand why are you emphasizing on the experience and behaviour. I just wanted to know if there is a way to communicate with the users who commented ." CreationDate="2015-03-05T18:35:21.297" UserId="68752" />
  <row Id="9925" PostId="2166" Score="6" Text="I emphasize it because I feel it is important.  There is the danger that because something is possible within a system, someone will think that possible thing is acceptable.  I do not know the circumstances, but what I have seen suggests to me that this emphasis is important for the community, and also pertains to the situation in your question. You may not see it this way, but I get the feeling of hanging up a &quot;Don't Look At Laser With Remaining Eye&quot; sign.  Gerhard &quot;Also Thinking Of Future Readers&quot; Paseman, 2015.03.05" CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:10:16.490" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9926" PostId="2166" Score="0" Text="Past actions are in no way related to this question . The link to that question is provided as a reference/proof and not for discussing its content ." CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:12:42.203" UserId="68752" />
  <row Id="9928" PostId="2166" Score="2" Text="@stud, if you want to contact another user in some other way than commenting or answering their question, being polite and careful is a very good idea. People can be upset if they have unwanted mail about MO stuff. This emphasis is relevant independent of past actions. (It's different if you know the other one in person, but I assume this is not the case.)" CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:19:47.167" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9929" PostId="2166" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Ofcourse emphasis on polite replying methods is needed but Mr Gerhard's attack on &quot;The change in behaviuour&quot; is not needed in his answer ." CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:23:39.203" UserId="68752" />
  <row Id="9932" PostId="2166" Score="7" Text="I'm sorry that you view this as an attack.  My intent was otherwise.  I apologize if I have caused offence.  Gerhard &quot;Says Bye-Bye To This Thread&quot; Paseman, 2015.03.05" CreationDate="2015-03-05T19:31:59.197" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="9936" PostId="2167" Score="8" Text="I removed the [tag:bug] is it is certainly &quot;by design.&quot; That you do not like it is your right, but it is *clearly* not a bug." CreationDate="2015-03-08T22:41:53.930" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9937" PostId="2167" Score="5" Text="One student of mine from last semester sent me her personal password for the university website. In retrospect she said &quot;Oh well, what's the worst that could happen?&quot;, and I replied that the personal information include, amongst other things, banking information and other delicate information. And that she should *never* do that. If someone doesn't understand the tools they are using, they might make mistakes. This applies here as well, if the referee gives out their email address, by accident or without knowing it will reveal their identity, it's still their fault." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:00:51.887" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="9939" PostId="2167" Score="13" Text="@AsafKaragila: The important distinction between these two situations that you fail to make is that the reviewer is aware that giving out their email address will reveal their identity, whereas the same cannot be said about a link to public web page, and as I mentioned in the original post, one has a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to links to public web pages.  Thus revealing one's email is a negligent behavior whereas revealing a link to a public web page is not." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:25:48.530" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9945" PostId="2167" Score="2" Text="@DmitriPavlov an email-address is perhaps an extreme example, but various programs add meta-information to files that can be identifying. There are some journals that account for this, but by no means all. And, again, whoever gets that URL clicked a **share** link, with all kinds of social-media icons below. If they want to use it in a scientific context why not click &quot;cite&quot; there. Problem solved." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:38:10.047" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9948" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="@quid: “cite” does not include a link to the answer, which therefore must be supplied separately, which brings us back to the original question." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:47:46.550" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9951" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="I do not think it must be supplied, since more often than not linking to the question post will make more sense. But, incidentally IIRC I proposed the enhancement of distinguishing answer and question in the suggested citations long ago. (Note: this is not SE's business.)" CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:01:29.687" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9955" PostId="2167" Score="2" Text="@quid: I disagree, often only a specific answer is needed, but in any case this is not for us to decide." CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:07:51.630" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9957" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov what does it mean it is not for us to decide? Who is us here? The way citations are given was decided on MO long ago. Most SE sites do not even have that feature. There is no &quot;cite&quot; on SO for example.  If &quot;us&quot; is &quot;you and I&quot; than yes we cannot decide this. If &quot;us&quot; is the users of MO this is simply false." CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:18:13.940" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9959" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="See http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/71/citation-feature for seeing yourself the history of the &quot;cite&quot; feature in the SE network." CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:32:59.130" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9960" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="@quid: It is not for us (i.e., you, me, and the users of MO) to decide how the referee elects to cite a MathOverflow answer in his report: as a direct link or as a BibTeX entry provided by “cite”." CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:37:20.650" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9961" PostId="2167" Score="2" Text="@DmitriPavlov if they want a direct link they can just copy the URL from their browser's navigation bar. They would choose to **share** a link, for this to happen what you are worried about. Look, I saw people post links to journals that did not work since they went through a proxy of their institution and this did reveal the institution; I think even on this site. Did an institution behave unethically for setting things up in this way?" CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:42:40.800" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9984" PostId="2167" Score="5" Text="@quid: I think we're going in circles here.  Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the only way to get a link to an answer is by using the “share” link.  Copying the URL of the page itself only gives a link to the question, not the answer.  Finally, I don't see how the word “share” would imply that the resulting link is under surveillance." CreationDate="2015-03-09T11:55:14.383" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9985" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="@quid: As for your example with proxy servers, the answer depends on whether or not the university name is clearly discernible in the URL." CreationDate="2015-03-09T11:57:39.817" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9991" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="&quot;Please correct me if I'm wrong&quot; [You are welcome.](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1885/how-do-i-link-to-a-mo-answer/1886#1886) Please consider for the future to read resources provided to you before asking follow up question. This might also make it easier to make progress in the discussion. (Sidenote on the linked *answer*: There are other ways to do this too.)" CreationDate="2015-03-09T13:20:40.420" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9993" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="@quid: Do you consider this a practical way to give a link to an answer?  I guess I should have made this explicit, but the word “practical” is implicitly present in my claim about “the only way to get a link to an answer”.  I did read this answer before, and I certainly don't consider it feasible to navigate several links and search for a particular title in a list consisting of (possibly) hundreds of answers simply in order to give a link to an answer." CreationDate="2015-03-09T13:38:30.560" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9994" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="I do not find it too impractical. It's  easy to locate the answer on user page, e.g., via time of posting and sort cronologically. But as I said there are other ways. For example, if you want to *properly* link to an answer in a scientific context, which is your scenario, you better  link the *precise* version. Thus, one goes to the revision page and clicks &quot;link&quot; for the version one wants (note it is  &quot;link&quot; there as opposed to &quot;share&quot;) and gets eg http://mathoverflow.net/revisions/199409/4 a link to the version of the *answer* in a very clean form (note the 4 at the end is the version)." CreationDate="2015-03-09T13:53:52.547" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9995" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="@quid: Although citing precise versions is certainly desirable, it is also highly impractical in the current design: there is simply no way to reach the “revisions” page unless the answer was edited.  It would certainly make a lot of sense if the “share” link was a surveillance-free link to a particular revision of the answer." CreationDate="2015-03-09T14:10:11.517" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9996" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="As you self-identified as  not always writing what you mean, I am not sure if [this link to the revision page of my never edited answer just below](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/2168/revisions) can serve to falsify your claim as intended. It does so, as written." CreationDate="2015-03-09T14:22:43.503" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9997" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="@quid: Please read my comment again.  I did not say that the revisions page does not exist, I only said that it cannot be reached (i.e., there is no link to it) unless the answer was edited." CreationDate="2015-03-09T14:43:59.043" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9999" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="Done. It says 'there is simply no way to reach the “revisions” page.' This is false. Possible ways include typing in an URL into the navigation bar of the browser. This is perhaps not a covenient way but it is a way.  If you want to say there is no link to it, why not write there is no link to it. (BTW, if you want a link, you can install a userscript; all this is documented on this very meta.)" CreationDate="2015-03-09T14:54:58.577" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10000" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="@quid: My comment makes it perfectly clear in which sense the word “reach” is used, so you're knocking down a straw man again." CreationDate="2015-03-09T14:59:16.797" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10003" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="I have to wonder. Do you raise this point because you know someone whose referee used such link; do you know a referee that used such link; or is this just a hypothetical?" CreationDate="2015-03-09T16:30:39.540" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10005" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: No, I don't know any such people, but similar accidents certainly happened before, e.g., leaking of personal information through the file metadata, or, as pointed out by quid above, leaking of one's institution via a proxy server link to a journal." CreationDate="2015-03-09T17:07:33.123" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10006" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="I didn't ask about leaking information. I asked about *this particular instance*." CreationDate="2015-03-09T17:08:47.443" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10014" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="Should we create poll-type answers to get a feel for whether people care or not about this issue, and whether they have a positive or negative opinion on the matter?" CreationDate="2015-03-09T22:06:59.677" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="10015" PostId="2167" Score="3" Text="@RicardoAndrade first, it should be clarified what &quot;this issue&quot; is, as OP is not quite clear. for example is it: a) that track-able links exist at all or b)  that it is not clear enough that they exist c) that it is not clear enough when a link is a track-able link d) that there is not more convenient access to a nontrack-able one. Still something else? Here is a concrete proposal: .) I do not consider the current situation as problematic. .) I wish the feature of track-able links remove entirely. .) I wish  it is made more clear when a link is track-able and easy access to non-ta version." CreationDate="2015-03-09T22:37:46.193" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10016" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="@quid, you are right, I was not being specific. I think your three suggestions for poll-type answers are a pretty good start. Perhaps the OP will chime in with his opinion." CreationDate="2015-03-09T22:41:58.107" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="10017" PostId="2167" Score="2" Text="@quid: The poll options look good to me.  I'd clarify (2) to say that “share” should be replaced by “link”, with a normal unsurveilled link in it (i.e., no pop-up windows etc.).  Of course, it is also desirable to have a separate “cite” link that allows one to cite a specific answer." CreationDate="2015-03-10T12:52:48.000" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10025" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="I started the poll. I tried to make it neutral. I hope I described what you want about correctly. I did not include the discussion about &quot;cite&quot; as I do not understand what you want changed. The BiBTeX contains a direct link to the answer without user ID; only the other fields do not make clear it is an answer. Well, and the link does not make it clear either, but it still works. (I mentioned earlier that using &quot;cite&quot; solves the problem, though I will admit I was not quite clear there.)" CreationDate="2015-03-10T17:48:55.170" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="22425" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="Related feature requests on [meta.se]: [Anonymize or hash the user ID part of a shared link so that users can earn badges for sharing links without having to leak their account on the site](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/340346) and [Privacy leak in permalink?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/74274)" CreationDate="2020-07-09T04:55:14.620" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24109" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="One change in a positive direction since it was posted is that it is now more visible that the link contains the user id. The text after clicking on share used to say: &quot;Share a link to this question.&quot; Now it says: &quot;Share a link to this question (includes your user id).&quot; (A similar text is there also for answers.) I have to admit that I do not know exactly *when* this change was made." CreationDate="2020-10-11T04:17:54.293" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24167" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov Since I see that you have asked about easy way to get answer-url into the address bar, I will point out my recent answer here: [How do I link to a MO answer?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1885#4749)" CreationDate="2020-11-01T10:16:57.623" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24168" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: So your answer, I guess, is that there is no easy way to do this.  None of the provided options are easy." CreationDate="2020-11-01T14:38:24.547" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="24169" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov Clearly, we have rather different views on what is easy. Ctrl+click is not that difficult to do. (But at least your comment made me to look at the answer again and correct some typos - clearly I mixed up left/right click.)" CreationDate="2020-11-01T14:50:04.907" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24170" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: “Easy” is a relative notion, and for a hyperlink all those extra steps you describe are unreasonable." CreationDate="2020-11-01T15:03:58.487" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9938" PostId="2168" Score="13" Text="You seem to be knocking down a straw man; I've never claimed that this behavior is secret or that it is hard to circumvent.  The issue that you fail to address is that almost all users are not aware of this behavior." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:20:39.143" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9940" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="&quot;[...] almost all users are not aware of this behavior.&quot; *Citation needed.*" CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:27:10.780" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9942" PostId="2168" Score="43" Text="Vote this comment up if you were not aware of this behavior." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:34:30.990" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9943" PostId="2168" Score="27" Text="Vote this comment up if you were aware of this behavior." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:34:53.323" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9944" PostId="2168" Score="5" Text="@quid: A weaker statement will suffice: your claim about this problem being a nonissue only makes sense if all or almost all users are aware of this behavior, for which you supply no evidence." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:35:56.897" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9946" PostId="2168" Score="8" Text="@ToddTrimble: An important factor to consider in all such polls is that visitors to Meta can be expected to be much more knowledgeable about MO than a typical user." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:39:35.127" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9947" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov That is true, but you might see a sizable number of upvotes to the first comment, which in that case would lend greater confidence to your hypothesis. It's just a crude test anyhow." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:43:22.617" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9949" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov I said I consider it as a non-issue, which is something other than making the claim it being a non-issue. And, for it being an issue one might say there should be some plausible harm. Mainly you complained about it being unethical and spying and what not, while SE really puts it on display via the existence of these badges. Perhaps you could acknowledge that. The actual scenario you give feels a bit contrived, and you might want to reply to my example where one also needs to be careful on the main post and that it is called *share* suggesting that the user *sharing* is a player." CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:51:11.763" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9950" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="Now, if somebody should have gotten bitten by it I am sorry for them, and it might make sense to make the information that the link is identifying more visible. However, as long as the main thrust of your post is talking about unethical and spying as opposed to user's ignorance I will continue to insist on the fact that if you did not know it is first and foremost you that is to blame.   @DmitriPavlov // Actually the IMO more plausible risk is for anon users here revealing their identity here via sharing a link. But then  &quot;everybody&quot; here is against anonymity so who should care. ;-)" CreationDate="2015-03-08T23:51:24.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9952" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@quid: The badge does not specify the manner in which the link was shared, so it could also be the case that the sharing was done in a different way than merely posting a link, so one cannot cite this as an evidence that SE informs its users about spying." CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:02:30.757" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9953" PostId="2168" Score="10" Text="quid, let's try to de-personalize this a bit (&quot;first and foremost you that is to blame&quot; addressed to Dmitri *or* to unwitting linkers seems pretty harsh). We don't have to get dramatic, but let's agree it makes sense to make this information much more visible. I don't believe Dmitri's scenario with the referee is all that contrived; in fact it's embarrassingly easy not to know these things, and it doesn't seem to be very visibly documented after all." CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:04:56.807" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9954" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I think the claims made in OP are a lot more harsh, and completely uncalled for. An intent of spying is suggested while it seems clear that the intent is to encourage users to promote the site via having a means to reward them for doing so." CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:07:18.587" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9956" PostId="2168" Score="7" Text="The harshness (&quot;spying&quot;, &quot;unethical&quot; etc.) is, as far as I can see, directed primarily at a corporation, which I do not regard as a person. :-) I'm not sure why one would take offense particularly, but if we put that aside (or choose to dismiss it as overdramatic), then one is still left with a reasonable point, and that's what I think we should focus on." CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:13:30.147" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9958" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble well it is a person, a juridical one. :-) I have nothing at all against documenting this better; just note that it was I that left the comment on François's answer mentioned in my post." CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:26:34.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9962" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov the description of the badge reads (my emph) &quot;**Shared** a link to a question that was visited by 25 unique IP addresses. This badge can be awarded multiple times.&quot; The button one presses to get the link is named **&quot;share&quot;** The connection seems pretty obvious to me. (Were by &quot;obvious&quot; is mean it is obvious that it is this link that is used for the badge; if somebody does not know the badge, that's a different story. But you claimed the badge did not specify the manner.)" CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:46:49.997" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9963" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="And here the information is completely explicit http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1253/does-mathoverflow-really-want-the-publicist-badge &quot; [...] and using the &quot;Share&quot; button to get a unique link to post on the high traffic site reddit.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-03-09T00:56:14.113" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9982" PostId="2168" Score="15" Text="I find the last sentence of this answer totally ridiculous; in what world is the meaning of the number 402 at a URL like http://mathoverflow.net/a/198099/402 &quot;transparent&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-03-09T08:42:08.293" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="9986" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey the UserID as displayed to the user all the time is appended in clear to the URL. To me this is really about the most transparent way to make an URL identifying. What do you propose? I didn't claim it's self-explanatory just from the URL. What I did claim is that *if* one wants to check whether the URL contains identfying data then this is transparent. And, the structure of the URL is not hard to understand. The world in which this is transparent is a world in which people make some basic effort to check if a link they paste soemwhere is in a suitable form for the given context." CreationDate="2015-03-09T12:38:52.960" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9987" PostId="2168" Score="3" Text="@quid: I think there is a huge difference between a URL like http://mathoverflow.net/a/198099/402 and a (potential) URL like http://mathoverflow.net/a/198099/dmitri-pavlov.  The latter URL makes it clear that the link is under surveillance and the former URL does not.  The numerical user ID is not displayed “all the time” as you claim and few people know what their number is." CreationDate="2015-03-09T12:46:39.030" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="9988" PostId="2168" Score="10" Text="@quid: You seem to disagree, but I think that a reasonable person copying a URL from the &quot;share&quot; button (whose mouseover text says merely &quot;short permalink to this answer&quot;) might not even think of the fact that the link could somehow identify them if the URL does not appear to.  I also don't think it's trivial to figure out what that number means if you don't recognize your user id (which, I imagine, many if not most MO users do not)." CreationDate="2015-03-09T12:47:36.903" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="9990" PostId="2168" Score="4" Text="@DmitriPavlov: As a minor technical point, your proposed URL wouldn't work, since names do not uniquely identify users (of course, this is trivial to fix).  In any case, regardless of how transparent the URL is, I don't see a compelling motivation to identify the referrer by default at all.  Yes, responsible users can notice and use an anonymous link, but why should we force them to do so at all?  Is the data that SE gets from this really worth jeopardizing the privacy of careless users?" CreationDate="2015-03-09T13:14:38.420" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="9992" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey: Yes, I agree with all your points." CreationDate="2015-03-09T13:31:16.297" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10007" PostId="2168" Score="2" Text="@EricWofsey Your last question might be based on a false premise. In my understanding, the very point of &quot;share&quot; is to provide a way of generating a personalized link, so that users can get some credit (via the badge) for advertising the site. The intent is to encourage advertising the site by giving credit for doing so. I do not think SE cares specifically about data they get from it. What kind of data to what end would that be? I agree that the mouse-over text is not optimal. And [feature-req on MSE](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/201861/) to separate &quot;link&quot; and &quot;share&quot;" CreationDate="2015-03-09T17:19:58.777" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10008" PostId="2168" Score="2" Text="@quid: I'd say that “share” simply implies some kind of posting to Twitter, Facebook, and other social networks.  I'd not say that “share” implies that the resulting link will contain any personal information, apart from the information already contained in the identity of the poster on a social network.  Perhaps we could organize another poll about this, but in my opinion the above poll already makes it clear enough that the majority does not think about “share” in the way you described." CreationDate="2015-03-09T17:36:22.367" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10009" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov the point in my last comment was *not* to reiterate that one might or  might not infer that there is a possibility the URL is trackable from the word &quot;share&quot; being used. But rather to give my understanding (or rather guess) why the design is as it is. The point is to provide this functionality *for the badges to work.* Whether this is documented enough or something else would be more useful, is orthogonal." CreationDate="2015-03-09T17:43:03.650" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10010" PostId="2168" Score="6" Text="@quid: Fair enough, but I find it obnoxious that the only obvious way to get a link to an answer is to &quot;share&quot; it (yes, there are others, but it is substantially less obvious how to find them).  Personally, I find the promotion of &quot;sharing&quot; as the default way to link to a MO post to be rather incongruous with our academic tone.  But maybe I'm just a cranky old man who gets annoyed by social media." CreationDate="2015-03-09T17:57:18.867" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="10011" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey personally I do not find this feature overly relevant, yet I really cannot follow any claims of unethical surveillance or even spying either (which is my main point). As said, IMO, this is rather non-issue, also as there is little plausible risk. But I certainly support activities to improve it." CreationDate="2015-03-09T18:18:41.440" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10112" PostId="2168" Score="3" Text="@quid so by *documented* you mean explained in another meta post? I guess only a handful of users ever went to that post to check it out before you gave that link, and only a handful of users will check out this post to know about the privacy leakage. I was expecting it to be explained in the FAQ." CreationDate="2015-03-20T20:33:05.493" UserId="37103" />
  <row Id="10117" PostId="2168" Score="1" Text="@FanZheng as said in my very personal opinion the naming of the feature  and the format of the URL was clear enough to raise awareness and to then find out what is happening." CreationDate="2015-03-20T21:02:27.940" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10040" PostId="2169" Score="3" Text="Thanks for your initiative. I do not want to get too involved, personally, to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. But I would prefer the   &quot;professional teachers, professional mathematicians&quot; dichotomy would not make it into the documentation. I know you took it from Alexandre Eremenko's answer and I understand what he means. Still  I would prefer to avoid implying there that users here in general are not professional teachers and that users on MESE in general are not professional mathematicians. Finally, &quot;the process of learning&quot; is possibly more clear than &quot;learning.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-03-11T01:12:13.287" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10041" PostId="2169" Score="0" Text="@quid, thanks! I edited the suggestion. I begin to agree that the dichotomy need not be there, but I do think that something like &quot;teaching by professional mathematicians&quot; is a criterion we should include." CreationDate="2015-03-11T02:04:32.530" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10043" PostId="2169" Score="0" Text="I think &quot;teaching by professional mathematicians&quot; is confusing. I think it is rather common that people working at (research) universities teach over the full spectrum of courses offered, that is first year undergraduates (possibly not even in math) up-to research oriented courses for PhD students. The intent of &quot;other mathematical education offered by professional mathematicians&quot; is not quite clear to me. Is it &quot;about teaching graduate-level courses and other teaching of *advanced* mathematics&quot; or something else?" CreationDate="2015-03-11T10:05:11.157" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10044" PostId="2169" Score="0" Text="@quid, I think advanced mathematics is too vague. A physics major probably has their opinion of what is advanced mathematics but it doesn't match the idea most people here have. I hope &quot;graduate or similar level&quot; conveys the right idea to most people. Also, as teaching mathematics is not only about giving courses (at least for me), I prefer teaching mathematics to teaching courses. But you are right, my expression was not quite clear. I edited again." CreationDate="2015-03-11T15:21:26.410" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10045" PostId="2169" Score="0" Text="I agree the advanced was not  a good way to phrase things. I think the current formulation is better." CreationDate="2015-03-11T15:46:29.887" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9966" PostId="2170" Score="1" Text="The post referred to is here: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/199329/interesting-important-examples-of-manifolds-that-are-direct-products-of-non-tr" CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:17:02.943" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9967" PostId="2170" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble Right, thank you! I did not mention this because I suggest to discuss the issue itself, not to unblock my particular post. Now I added a link to the question." CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:23:14.180" UserId="61824" />
  <row Id="9968" PostId="2170" Score="5" Text="A short comment: re &quot;the judges&quot; who closed the question, *anyone* (who has enough reputation) can vote to reopen a question - there is no need for the original closers to vote to close. Once a few users decide the question should be reopened, it will be. The link for unblocking you ask for, btw, is the &quot;reopen&quot; link below the question; it is in the location where the &quot;close&quot; link would otherwise be. I believe this link is only visible if you have sufficient reputation. Also, I suggest avoiding phrases like &quot;violates their rights&quot; - I don't think this is a situation where rights realy crop up." CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:27:44.580" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="9969" PostId="2170" Score="0" Text="@NoahS OOPS, sorry -- probably on other sites I see this link because I have sufficient reputation. Will now edit the text accordingly." CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:29:44.853" UserId="61824" />
  <row Id="9970" PostId="2170" Score="6" Text="Also let me point out that there is an ongoing meta thread http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-votes where users can appeal for questions (not necessarily their own) to be reopened." CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:34:29.627" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9971" PostId="2170" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Great to know it! Still my point is not re-opening my question but an ethical issue that this practice causes, especially with respect to new users like myself. This site is about helping, *including* helping to formulate the question *and* helping to gain confidence in fellow users." CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:37:09.567" UserId="61824" />
  <row Id="9973" PostId="2170" Score="5" Text="The ethics of explaining the specific reasons that closers have for deciding to close is a recurring issue. It's a little late here, but may return to this some time tomorrow (unless someone precedes me). There are many precedents for this discussion." CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:41:41.477" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="9972" PostId="2171" Score="5" Text="Re: last paragraph, I agree, I think (if this is not the case already) the OP should be notified of their question being put on hold. Actually, I tentatively support the OP being notified as soon as a vote to close is cast, so they have a chance to edit the question to prevent closure (although I haven't thought about this much, so this may be naive)." CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:38:14.760" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="9974" PostId="2171" Score="3" Text="@NoahS, good idea! Being notified of the first close vote would be useful. For some reason, it takes 250 reputation to see closure votes on one's own question (but even that does not come with notifications, I think): http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/view-close-votes Being notified that there is a nonzero amount of such votes should require nothing." CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:42:20.327" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9975" PostId="2171" Score="0" Text="I think not only the OP should be notified of the first vote to close (or at least see it!), but there should be a grace period before the question is actually closed (like a period for bounty) to allow the OP or other users to react or comment. If during the grace period the question is upvoted or there are upvoted answers to it, then, say, more reputation should be required to close it (and the closers would think twice I guess). As things are now, the question gets closed in minutes, before anybody could do anything." CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:51:14.843" UserId="61824" />
  <row Id="9976" PostId="2171" Score="6" Text="@AlexanderGelbukh, being on hold is essentially a grace period before being closed. If someone other than the OP likes the question, they can upvote and edit to improve it and then vote to reopen. Not allowing answers during the grace period is a designed feature of SE sites, but it is debatable whether it's actually good. Many users see answers to off-topic questions as disturbing noise." CreationDate="2015-03-09T02:56:32.440" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9977" PostId="2171" Score="0" Text="&quot;If I recall correctly, you can write comments to the users who voted to close....&quot; If you mean by leaving a comment with @name-of-voter in it, I think that @ can only be used to notify people who left comments, not people who voted to close." CreationDate="2015-03-09T05:24:51.593" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="9978" PostId="2171" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson, that is what I mean. I know that autocompletion doesn't offer (at)user-who-voted-to-close-without-commenting, but I faintly recall reading that the notification still works. If it doesn't matter whether the comment is left by the OP, we can test it if you try to ping me in the OP's question at main; I voted to close but did not comment." CreationDate="2015-03-09T05:32:49.060" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9979" PostId="2171" Score="0" Text="Done. Anyway, I was just told earlier today, at math.se, that pinging doesn't work this way, so, if you're right, someone there has some explaining to do...." CreationDate="2015-03-09T05:38:08.273" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="9981" PostId="2171" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson, I wasn't notified of your comment at main. If the system hasn't changed, I forgot or misunderstood something. It's good to know that it doesn't work that way. I'll edit my answer." CreationDate="2015-03-09T05:44:10.177" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="9983" PostId="2171" Score="3" Text="You may have this mixed up with editors. People who edit a question can be pinged (but their name will not be suggested)." CreationDate="2015-03-09T09:06:50.253" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="10002" PostId="2171" Score="1" Text="@TobiasKildetoft, that was indeed probably the source of my mistake. Thanks for clarifying!" CreationDate="2015-03-09T16:23:53.520" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10004" PostId="2171" Score="2" Text="One can ping *moderators* (and only moderators) that  closed." CreationDate="2015-03-09T16:45:02.303" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="9998" PostId="2172" Score="0" Text="I adjusted the OP to use the word “surveillance”, which seems to describe the situation more accurately (surveillance need not be secret)." CreationDate="2015-03-09T14:53:07.533" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10023" PostId="2173" Score="2" Text="Two questions: Would it be simpler to make the poll in comments to one answer rather than in separate answers, especially since there are other answers as well? That would also make sure that there are no downvotes. If not, should the poll answers be CW?" CreationDate="2015-03-10T17:41:18.350" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10024" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta I thought about this but abandonned the idea as then editing is difficult/impossible and answers possibly added later might have even more disadvantage. They can be CW, but the sole effect is easier editing (which is possibly more relevant for the main post). Received votes are always irrelevant on meta, except for badges, which are then not touched by CW." CreationDate="2015-03-10T17:45:23.033" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10026" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="One way to make a changeable poll in comments is to make short comments like &quot;I'm in favour of option 1&quot; and give the options themselves at the end of the question. I know that votes are somewhat irrelevant on meta, but I think CW status still has a psychological effect on voting. The &quot;please do not downvote&quot; request may seem more reasonable to many if it comes with CW. Anyway, the poll does seem reasonable to me, so don't take this as a complaint." CreationDate="2015-03-10T17:53:59.657" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10027" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="I made everything CW. I am really not sure about the comments. Perhaps it would have been better, but as the answers are posted already I think I do not want to change it now." CreationDate="2015-03-10T17:57:39.290" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10028" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="I would slightly prefer the comment version (and there are not many votes yet), but it's ok as it is. I suppose sufficiently many people will figure out how the poll works even if the answers are mixed with this poll guide and other answers." CreationDate="2015-03-10T18:04:44.437" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10030" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="I added links in the hope to make this more clear." CreationDate="2015-03-10T18:10:00.457" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10031" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="“It is possible to get the very same link without UserID with one additional click (&quot;share&quot;, then &quot;cite.&quot;)”: This is only true for questions, not answers." CreationDate="2015-03-10T19:00:26.307" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10032" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov what is your point: the link differs by having a &quot;q&quot; instead of an &quot;a&quot; I explain they are interchangable. Did you not understand this explanation or do you really want to insist on it not being the very same link but a link differeing by one character that has the exact same functionality." CreationDate="2015-03-10T19:02:36.770" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10033" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="@quid: I'm afraid I don't understand your last comment.  What is your proposed procedure for obtaining the link to an answer?" CreationDate="2015-03-10T19:05:58.457" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10034" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="@quid: Why did the second option split into two identical options (both 2 and 3 propose exactly the same changes)?" CreationDate="2015-03-10T19:09:02.597" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10035" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov for the link, the procedure is *the same* for questions and answers. Please, can I ask you to just  try  to paste the link into your navigation bar before asking once again." CreationDate="2015-03-10T19:11:54.393" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10036" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="@quid: I now see what you mean.  Well, I guess it's nontrivial to realize this, especially because the title supplied by “cite” is the title of the question, and the link itself looks like a question link." CreationDate="2015-03-10T19:14:31.077" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10037" PostId="2173" Score="1" Text="@DmitriPavlov Good. I agree that this is not clear, and I already acknowledged twice (once yesterday and once today) that the situation for answers is not optimal when using &quot;cite.&quot; (See in particular my most recent comment on OP.) This brings me to the splitting: one can find the current situation as not a problem while still seeing room for improvement and supporting such improvement. This is an opinion substantially different from the opinion that the current situation is a problem and there is need for improvement." CreationDate="2015-03-10T19:21:29.737" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10038" PostId="2173" Score="1" Text="@quid: Another question: is the phrase “Up-vote competing answers” (in plural) supposed to imply that users can upvote multiple poll answers instead of just one?" CreationDate="2015-03-10T20:01:59.527" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10039" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov yes, I also used some quasi-plural in this post. There is no practical way to prevent it; it is thus better to allow it explicitly." CreationDate="2015-03-10T20:25:45.960" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10055" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="With so many answers in this thread, I think there is a significant possibility many people might not notice the lowest-voted poll-answers." CreationDate="2015-03-12T18:45:11.753" UserId="21095" />
  <row Id="10057" PostId="2173" Score="1" Text="@RicardoAndrade it is possible but then there are only two answers that are not part of the poll; and the poll answers themselves are really short. Moreover, I think not few users browse by active, and at the moment the poll-answers are nicely ordered on top. A possibility would be to have this &quot;guide&quot; accepted, for the momenet at least, so that it is on top." CreationDate="2015-03-12T18:57:40.063" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10058" PostId="2173" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov would you agree to accept (for the moment) this answer (see the comments above for the motivation)?" CreationDate="2015-03-12T18:59:27.580" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10042" PostId="2175" Score="1" Text="I am voting for this option with two understandings: first, while the situation is problematic, the problems it presents are likely to arise quite rarely and are usually not too serious.  Second, I would want the link without UserID to have greater visibility, not just equal." CreationDate="2015-03-11T05:09:29.300" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="10143" PostId="2175" Score="1" Text="I don't agree this is a problem (and have voted on the other poll answer), however, a potential solution could be to allow users who *do* care to opt out in their profile options. Their user ID would no longer be included in links, with the cost being the inability to obtain Announcer badges and related features. It seems rather unwieldy (and confusing to explain to new users / not readily apparent) to try and work direct links into the web interface along side the current system. Other solutions seem overcomplicated...." CreationDate="2015-03-25T17:13:21.267" UserId="56943" />
  <row Id="10150" PostId="2175" Score="1" Text="@JasonC: I don't see how that would address the issue at all.  As mentioned in other comments, there are not-too-difficult ways to obtain anonymous links already; the problem is that many if not most users are not even aware that the &quot;share&quot; links are not anonymous, and that the non-anonymous links only exist for a &quot;feature&quot; that many of us consider to be of dubious value (especially on a site like MO).  If including both an anonymous and a non-anonymous link is unwieldy, it seems to me that the obvious solution is just to get rid of the non-anonymous link." CreationDate="2015-03-26T18:37:30.020" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="10151" PostId="2175" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey what if it were opt in not opt out, that is one could switch-on the personalization in the profile?" CreationDate="2015-03-26T18:42:30.627" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10152" PostId="2175" Score="1" Text="@quid: I would have no problem at all if it were opt in." CreationDate="2015-03-26T18:43:42.523" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="10153" PostId="2175" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey Opt-in works too but then you have the opposite problem; the same users who wouldn't know about opt-out wouldn't know about opt-in and so you lose some site features. One way to present the opt-in/out that could solve this is to show a notice to existing users (if the change is made) and provide a notice to new users to make them aware." CreationDate="2015-03-26T19:05:11.463" UserId="56943" />
  <row Id="10154" PostId="2175" Score="1" Text="@JasonC: Of course, but in this case the feature is one that many MO users wouldn't mind losing and some would even like to lose; see [this previous discussion](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1253/does-mathoverflow-really-want-the-publicist-badge?lq=1)." CreationDate="2015-03-26T19:28:10.727" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="10155" PostId="2175" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey If the default opt-in / opt-out could be made settable per site (and if, on roll out, that per-site default was applied to all existing users, with notifications sent out as well), that could be a good way to let each site choose its own behavior. MO's default, then, could be to disable initially and require opt-in." CreationDate="2015-03-26T19:36:36.953" UserId="56943" />
  <row Id="10046" PostId="2178" Score="4" Text="Why do you want to know why the book is not well known? Does the book contain some ideas that are not common elsewhere, or something? There are many books that are not well known, not for any particular reason, so I fail to see your motivation." CreationDate="2015-03-11T17:28:49.107" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10047" PostId="2178" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta From the description of the book: &quot;This unique text presents the new domain of consistent non-linear counterparts for all basic objects and tools of linear algebra, and develops an adequate calculus for solving non-linear algebraic and differential equations.&quot; -- surely, something like this, an algebra for non-linear equations that parallels the power of linear algebra would be very curious to all? So, that's why I wonder if its just pseudo-mathematics, and the claim of the book is simply false." CreationDate="2015-03-11T17:49:09.980" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="10048" PostId="2178" Score="0" Text="Responding to the previous comment: outlandish claims don't always attract interest from people who have enough on their plates to deal with" CreationDate="2015-03-11T17:50:47.563" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10049" PostId="2178" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi Is it safe for me to ignore this text too then? I guess that's what I want to understand." CreationDate="2015-03-11T17:51:38.310" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="10050" PostId="2178" Score="3" Text="If the book claims to give tools for nonlinear equations that are just as strong as the usual ones for linear equations, it is certainly too good to be true. It may contain some clever methods, but the description claims too much, which makes me lose interest." CreationDate="2015-03-11T17:55:13.483" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10051" PostId="2178" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Thanks! That's exactly what I needed to understand." CreationDate="2015-03-11T17:58:39.720" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="10052" PostId="2178" Score="0" Text="I wrote my thoughts into an answer to address similar questions in the future." CreationDate="2015-03-11T18:14:14.640" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="24786" PostId="2178" Score="1" Text="The Zentralblatt review quoted on the Amazon page says &quot;Reading the text needs motivation, experience and endurance,...&quot; and I think this goes a long way to making a book obscure, whatever its merits. (I checked the full review, to see if it was in any way negative, and it wasn't, but the review isn't full of praise, either.)" CreationDate="2021-01-24T22:26:02.827" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10053" PostId="2180" Score="2" Text="That is an interesting question, and in fact it inspired me to ask a question at MESE: http://matheducators.stackexchange.com/q/7597/2074 The problem is presumably of interest to many MO users, but I think the discussion would be better suited at MESE. I don't see a need for collaboration in this matter besides having users that use both MO and MESE. The problem is about teaching mathematics to freshmen, and I would say that is below the scope of teaching questions at MO." CreationDate="2015-03-12T16:54:33.827" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10059" PostId="2180" Score="0" Text="Maybe that's because there already was a somewhat similar question at MSE meta: http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/19772/166535 Your meta question has now four votes to close. Your question seems to propose collaboration, whereas this question is more about adapting MO policies to the new situation." CreationDate="2015-03-12T21:09:00.833" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10061" PostId="2180" Score="0" Text="I know. I just wanted to try to find reasons why it got so many downvotes and was closed so quickly without any feedback. The response was so hostile that I doubt there is any chance to reopen it." CreationDate="2015-03-13T01:42:25.127" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10063" PostId="2180" Score="2" Text="The questions were not exactly the same, and there already was a question about MESE at MSE meta. Your question has now two votes to reopen, so it is possible (although not sure) that it would get an answer. Let's see what happens..." CreationDate="2015-03-13T05:19:39.380" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10072" PostId="2180" Score="1" Text="The main thing I would improve is to make it more specific what you mean by &quot;react&quot;. My question asks specifically about tags, changes in being on-topic (this was already discussed at MSE), tags and help pages. But let us not discuss this here anymore, as this comment discussion doesn't really belong to this meta. (There are now 4/5 reopen votes.)" CreationDate="2015-03-13T16:19:42.557" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10065" PostId="2181" Score="2" Text="re 2: from the opposite direction, this is what I meant by the current method is (fortunately) *transparent*. Your alternative method to me is a complete non-starter. Do you actually consider it  as improvement if these references to content of the site were resolvable **only** using a private database and method owned by SE? It feels  a bit ironic that concerns of surveilance (or even spying) by SE should be resolved by SE creating a new database of varied user-actions. The method that only UID is encrypted would be less problematic, although I'd also consider it as worse than the present." CreationDate="2015-03-13T12:42:28.313" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10066" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="re 1: first, what you recall is *not* a  plausible *use-case,* by contrast it is a (somewhat) plausible risk for a *user-error* (with negative consequences). The principal method to create reference to the site is via &quot;cite,&quot; which provides also the link (and obviously without uid). Second, I for one, would not like a community were everything that is (mainly) for fun is forbidden, as soon as there is some risk of somebody *by committing an error* could somehow suffer some negative consequence.  (In addition it is not only &quot;for fun&quot; but in some sense to help the growth of the site.)" CreationDate="2015-03-13T12:56:28.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10067" PostId="2181" Score="2" Text="@quid I have replaced &quot;use case&quot; with the more neutral &quot;scenario&quot;. Re 2: there are three possible goals here: (1) **Privacy from SE**: The SE owners cannot determine who clicked on a permalink (2) **Privacy from everyone else**: everyone else apart from SE cannot determine who clicked on a permalink (3) **Gamification**: SE can award *Announcer* badges. Clearly (1) and (3) are incompatible, so we have to decide which one we want. This is a political decision, and I am not taking sides. What I did is simply pointing out that (2) and (3) *are* compatible." CreationDate="2015-03-13T13:11:56.487" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="10068" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I wrote the wrong sentence, please replace &quot;who clicked on a permalink&quot; with &quot;who shared a clicked permalink&quot;." CreationDate="2015-03-13T13:17:48.010" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="10069" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification. A point of my reply was to point out some drawbacks of what you proposed, e.g., loss of transparency and additional dependance on SE. Now, for you more specific claims: at first it seems there is some merit to your claims of in/compatibilities but let us look at the situation in more detail as I find it interesting and possibly instructive." CreationDate="2015-03-13T13:40:26.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10070" PostId="2181" Score="1" Text="So, you propose we simply encrypt UserID or also the full link. But [the annoucer badge](http://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/54/announcer)  is linked to the question that generated it, then **revealing the identity** of the sharer of the link or to be precise one sharer of a link to that question, but it should be rare there are competing ones. And if somebody really wanted to know who created some link, it would be as easy as just triggering  a badge award (which is possible most of the time)." CreationDate="2015-03-13T13:47:28.493" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10071" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="This change creates the  situation of complete pseudo-security. The situation is sufficiently non-transparent that looking locally one might actually believe one can anonymously share the link, while one really cannot. &#xA;&#xA;Now, you might reply, then let us scratch that list. But, first, somebody has to think of doing it; second, one looses functionality; third, if it is not anymore necessary to know for which question the badge was awarded then even 1 and 3 become somewhat compatible with sufficient effort (I think).         &#xA;But really, it seems ill-advised to me to go down that road." CreationDate="2015-03-13T13:50:32.150" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10109" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="@quid re2: Why worry about dependence on SE? A referee choosing to include a link to SE in his/her report already depneds on SE servers' ability to fetch the right page with that URL, encrypted or not. A layer of crypto does not add much to that dependence." CreationDate="2015-03-20T20:19:41.613" UserId="37103" />
  <row Id="10110" PostId="2181" Score="1" Text="@quid re1: I don't agree with you that failing to click on &quot;cite&quot; is an user error. As a newbie (which I believe many referees are), I don't even know where the &quot;cite&quot; link is." CreationDate="2015-03-20T20:21:42.043" UserId="37103" />
  <row Id="10111" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="@FanZheng: re 2: what you say is not quuite correct.  The content is available also in data-dumps that can be (and are AFAIK) hosted on other servers too. Given a &quot;clear&quot; URL it is possible to retrieve the data from there as  a back-up. The issue is with long-time support (not so relevant for a referee report but quite relevant for published papers). This is especially relevant for MO as there is a contract in place that would allow MO to leave the network with all the data, *except* for private/personal user-data. If MO should decide to do so, now links keep working, with crypto likely not." CreationDate="2015-03-20T20:31:41.757" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10113" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="@FanZheng re 1: that somebody might not know it is an error, does not alter the fact that it is an error. Don't get me wrong, I will agree it is somewhat easy to make that error and likely something should be done to change this, but all this does not alter the fact that it is an error. (The &quot;cite&quot; link is in the pop-up once you click &quot;share&quot;; you will get a full bib-tex entry, including a link. On main only.)" CreationDate="2015-03-20T20:36:57.843" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10114" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="@quid re 2: I didn't quite see what you mean. So suppose MO is down, and you saw a link http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2181/ in a paper. How do you retrieve the page _independently_ of the SE servers?" CreationDate="2015-03-20T20:38:18.007" UserId="37103" />
  <row Id="10115" PostId="2181" Score="2" Text="@quid re 1: Don't you think a software that can easily lead people to make errors is, at the very least, crappy? Also I have explained in a comment below that this feature/bug/whatever is not easily available from FAQ/ help center/wherever you normally expect it to be." CreationDate="2015-03-20T20:46:22.067" UserId="37103" />
  <row Id="10116" PostId="2181" Score="1" Text="@FanZheng For example go to https://archive.org/details/stackexchange, download the relevant archive, search for the post &quot;2181&quot; in there. Or, at some point somebody setup a read-only version of MO that was browsable just like the usual version and would make that convenient. This would be important in a case where for example SE would stop to exist (not to bridge a half-hour outage). It can be that for recent post there is no recent enough dump, but as said this is about longterm support." CreationDate="2015-03-20T20:51:26.303" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10119" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="@FanZheng since you self-identified as newbie let me hereby inform you that you *should* normally expect to find documentation on the metas, especially on [meta.se] So what you could/should do if you want to know what &quot;share&quot; does is go there and search for it, like so http://meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=share then browsing the hits will inform you. The current [top-hit by relevance](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/170400/adding-personalized-links-in-edits/170403#170403) essentially already informs you abut it." CreationDate="2015-03-20T21:13:07.740" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10120" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="@quid Then I still think the most rated option addresses the problem better than simply accusing newbies of making errors. Why not hoist the cite link to one in juxtaposition with the share link?" CreationDate="2015-03-20T21:35:01.503" UserId="37103" />
  <row Id="10121" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="Let us [continue this discussion in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/22146/discussion-between-fan-zheng-and-quid)." CreationDate="2015-03-20T21:40:16.447" UserId="37103" />
  <row Id="10122" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="@FanZheng you do realize that I created the poll, in an attempt to find out what users want and to then move forward with trying to get it changed in that way. The point about if it is a &quot;use case&quot; or a &quot;user-error&quot; is more theoretical (but still relevant).  [I just see you create a chat. I will show up there a bit later.]" CreationDate="2015-03-20T21:43:25.727" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10123" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="Sorry but I don't think your theoretical question is much relevant to solving the problem. Aside from that, I did see you proposed something like making the cite link more transparent, so I guess that's it." CreationDate="2015-03-20T22:37:32.210" UserId="37103" />
  <row Id="10074" PostId="2182" Score="2" Text="Is that constant activity phenomenon visible for major tags? It would be interesting to see if there is a difference in trends between, say, PDEs and algebraic geometry." CreationDate="2015-03-15T01:29:06.857" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10075" PostId="2182" Score="2" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Yes, it is constant. Actually, it was my starting point - I wanted to see changes in tag usage, but discovered that it is almost flat (see this query: http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/284210/arxiv-tagged-question-count-per-tag-per-year)." CreationDate="2015-03-15T01:35:13.870" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="10076" PostId="2182" Score="8" Text="MO could be universal, but it's clearly not homogeneous, hence it can't be saturated." CreationDate="2015-03-15T11:36:06.053" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10077" PostId="2182" Score="8" Text="There's been an increase in the number of off-topic questions after the migration, and these are typically unanswered. Do your answer-to-question ratios include closed questions?" CreationDate="2015-03-15T11:42:56.173" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10079" PostId="2182" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek this is a relevant point, but  there are less than 600 closed questions without answer, so about 1% of all questions (and less than 2500 closed questions in total so about 5%, some of them with very many answers) so that while this can have some effect I'd speculate it must be at least an order of magnitude smaller than what is reported. On the other hand, I find the 3.5 that is reported in itself misleading, as cutting of the first few month one is down to 2 or something like it. (Would deleted be included the situation were different, but I doubt that is the case.)" CreationDate="2015-03-15T13:47:23.577" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10080" PostId="2182" Score="0" Text="I see, that makes sense." CreationDate="2015-03-15T14:22:00.107" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10082" PostId="2182" Score="29" Text="Mathoverflow is also getting more and more picky with its topics. Many soft-question and big-list threads that were considered ok back in 2010 (and gathered massive amounts of upvotes) would probably be shot down today. The Math Educators site also reduced the audience of this site by creating a separated community. Neighboring disciplines such as statistics, computational science, physics, theoretical CS now have their own sites, too. I'm not saying all of these are bad things, but they are contributing factors." CreationDate="2015-03-15T16:19:20.347" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="10083" PostId="2182" Score="9" Text="_all_ se sites have a temporal evolving dynamic aspect (apparently not well studied/ understood) where it appears, observationally/ anecdotally, (a) a lot of high rep users earn their rep earlier in site history &amp; it becomes difficult for anyone to match them (b) site activity patterns shift over their lifetime eg gradual decrease in answers per question etc, votes, etc... what is _desirable_ to &quot;steer&quot; for is a whole other question... fyi see also this excellent new se [tag cloud graph/ analysis tool](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/19617/an-interactive-graph-of-math-se-tags)" CreationDate="2015-03-15T16:50:46.980" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="10084" PostId="2182" Score="4" Text="@vzn: I'm pretty sure the OP was aware of your link, though it's nice of you to add it for others. :-)" CreationDate="2015-03-15T17:56:53.543" UserId="17114" />
  <row Id="10085" PostId="2182" Score="5" Text="I would say that &quot;the Math Educators site also reduced the audience of this site&quot; is a belief and not a fact.  It is plausible that some who lurked on MathOverflow stopped after MESE went beta, but that is a good thing as they found a forum on which they could do more than lurk.  I suspect MathOverflow participation was affected but not decreased by MESE's arrival.  I think a more telling statistic is participation in meta.  If the core of committed users is declining, then MathOverflow has a serious problem.  Gerhard &quot;Easy: Make More Committed Members&quot; Paseman, 2015.03.15" CreationDate="2015-03-15T21:11:25.190" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10086" PostId="2182" Score="9" Text="I'm not meant to share the google analytics data in detail, but I can say that page views, while showing seasonal and weekly variation, are otherwise pretty close to constant since Day 1." CreationDate="2015-03-15T22:25:14.037" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="10087" PostId="2182" Score="6" Text="The average question score per month is also decreasing: http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/287159#graph. This isn't surprising: as the site grows, there are less eyeballs on each single question and less upvotes. Maybe the number of users that who only 1-2 reasonable questions in their lifetime is the same, but their overall reputation decreased. In other words, getting from the initial 101 to 200 in 2010 was as hard as getting to 150 now (in my opinion)." CreationDate="2015-03-16T07:33:35.447" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="10088" PostId="2182" Score="5" Text="@FedericoPoloni: Since 2010 there were at least two changes -- firstly, the number of points per question upvote changed from 10 to 5, and secondly the association bonus was introduced with the move to MO 2.0. -- So what do you want to say with the numbers you give in the last sentence?" CreationDate="2015-03-16T09:54:38.003" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10089" PostId="2182" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl You are correct, I forgot about that. The fact that the average number of upvotes per question is decreasing is still true, but the picture of &quot;how difficult is it to became a 200+ reputation user&quot; is more complicated in view of this." CreationDate="2015-03-16T11:37:52.220" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="10090" PostId="2182" Score="9" Text="The reduction in points for question upvotes was applied retroactively, hence the statistics available in SEDE are computed as if it were 5 from MO’s inception. So it shouldn’t skew the results." CreationDate="2015-03-16T15:40:37.240" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10091" PostId="2183" Score="1" Text="What did you want to tensor it with? $\mathbb Q$?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T00:44:37.147" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10093" PostId="2186" Score="0" Text="Just click on the &quot;edit&quot; link below the particular question or answer, and you will see the source of the text, i.e. what exactly people have typed in." CreationDate="2015-03-17T13:56:58.737" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10094" PostId="2186" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Thank you. From what I can see it often is a png image. However I do not know how to produce a (small) png image from a latex document." CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:11:27.317" UserId="68468" />
  <row Id="10095" PostId="2186" Score="0" Text="There are many ways to create images.  For drawing from scratch, I like Smartdraw, but I'm sure there a gazillion similar products.  For images that accurately reflect mathematical computations, I (and many others) use Mathematica, though I'm sure there are quite a few alternatives." CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:20:44.623" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="10096" PostId="2186" Score="0" Text="How to produce png from a LaTeX document is a heavily system-dependent question. For example, an easy way is the dvipng utility if you have it. The question would also be more appropriate at http://tex.stackexchange.com than here." CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:22:03.113" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10107" PostId="2188" Score="5" Text="I think creating an account for someone should not be done." CreationDate="2015-03-18T12:54:17.343" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="10108" PostId="2188" Score="3" Text="I agree now that this is not a good idea, since it does not really seem to serve the intended purpose. But I'm glad I asked; now I see more clearly why this would not be helpful to those who ask their questions in the wrong place." CreationDate="2015-03-18T16:19:22.647" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10098" PostId="2189" Score="1" Text="Thanks! I would place account creation and migration at roughly the same level in invasiveness, but it's a matter of opinion. Do you know if the OP gets notifications about answers and comments to the migrated question before creating a new account?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T20:08:51.857" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10100" PostId="2189" Score="0" Text="An issue is that with accounts private data is moved. And also the impression is caused the person created an account there. In [this recent discussion](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2024/should-there-be-any-concern-about-the-number-of-questions-imported-into-physicso) some got very upset about account creations elsewhere.  I highly doubt they get further notifications beforehand @JoonasIlmavirta  (but do not know for a fact)." CreationDate="2015-03-17T20:24:34.177" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10101" PostId="2189" Score="0" Text="@quid: I think automatic mass creation of accounts, or any not requested creation of accounts unrelated to any *very recent* action of the particular person indeed must not happen." CreationDate="2015-03-17T20:34:50.970" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10102" PostId="2189" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, if a new user asks a question at MO which is quickly migrated to MSE, would you count that as a suitable reason for automatic account creation? I'm not sure about suitability myself and I agree that typically automatic creation of accounts is bad form, but in this case it would make (to me at least) more sense." CreationDate="2015-03-17T20:48:40.827" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10103" PostId="2189" Score="0" Text="@quid, I was aware of that old post and the sentiment expressed there. But I see a difference between copying established users and their posts from MO to a new site and migrating new users with their off-topic posts within SE network. About the other thing: If users don't get notifications to their migrated questions, I would consider that a problem. I think I'll expand my question a bit to include that." CreationDate="2015-03-17T20:52:55.890" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10104" PostId="2189" Score="5" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta to my surprise it seems  users [do get notifications](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/111730/does-the-op-get-notified-of-new-answers-for-migrated-questions) of answers and comments on migrated post. On the general issue: I do see very little up-side in automatic account creation, it rather  simple to do it for the user themselves  and it might make what happened more transparent than if it is done automatically. But I see some down-sides, and there is quite a special-casing proposed,  &quot;new users&quot; only, &quot;very recent&quot; only. I think this will make things more confusing." CreationDate="2015-03-17T21:26:43.013" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10105" PostId="2190" Score="2" Text="The software has features somewhat along these lines, namely automatic bans, especially [an automatic question ban](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86997/what-can-i-do-when-getting-we-are-no-longer-accepting-questions-answers-from-th). IIRC, they are not active on all sites, and chances are it is not active on MO. (I am not sure regarding the precise parameters and if it would be useful on MO.)" CreationDate="2015-03-18T00:46:42.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10106" PostId="2190" Score="4" Text="My intention was helping people find a place where other people are willing to answer their questions rather than throwing away users that we don't want here, although I do realize that it may come across in the wrong way. Also those who ask bad elementary questions can be suggested to try MSE instead, even if they have things to learn about asking. But we only migrate questions that could survive at MSE, and I was only asking about the authors of such questions. This choice was intentional." CreationDate="2015-03-18T03:53:35.223" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10124" PostId="2192" Score="1" Text="&quot;will be 'saturated'...the most-common issues will have been raised before.&quot; It seems this should plague all StackExchange sites. So all might be heading for saturation and slow demise." CreationDate="2015-03-20T23:22:13.313" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10125" PostId="2192" Score="5" Text="At the present, the ArXiv repository alone is accumulating mathematics articles at the rate of over 10 new articles a day.  (We can argue about the meaning of &quot;article&quot;, or &quot;new&quot;, or even &quot;ten&quot;.  I can imagine ten reasonable fresh MathOverflow questions stemming daily just from looking at the ArXiv math postings.)  I see personal saturation (a particular individual getting tired) happening way before group saturation (everybody getting tired).  As pointed in an earlier comment, the point is to keep recruiting fresh eyes to the forum.  Gerhard &quot;Beats The Drum Some More&quot; Paseman, 2015.03.20" CreationDate="2015-03-21T00:35:47.330" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10126" PostId="2192" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman &quot;over 10&quot; is quite a modest way to put it; I think it is an order of magnitude away." CreationDate="2015-03-21T01:35:37.267" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10127" PostId="2192" Score="2" Text="@quid, if I can convince paul garrett that it is a potential source for at least ten daily questions fit for the continuation of MathOverflow, then I might successfully argue that group saturation will occur in time closer to the heat death of the universe than to now.  Of course, the real point is to create more participants to continue the forum.  Gerhard &quot;Bam, Bam Bam Ba Bam&quot; Paseman, 2015.03.20" CreationDate="2015-03-21T01:47:36.193" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10128" PostId="2192" Score="3" Text="@GerhardPaseman: Although I don't disagree with your &quot;fresh eyes&quot; point, I do question the connection between newly posted arXiv papers and MO questions. But I like your &quot;heat death&quot; comment---And I hope you are right!" CreationDate="2015-03-21T13:35:17.237" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10130" PostId="2192" Score="5" Text="Running out of good mathematical questions? -- Honestly this looks to me like a rather strange idea ... !" CreationDate="2015-03-22T09:57:19.897" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10131" PostId="2192" Score="5" Text="@StefanKohl, I did not attempt to claim that we are running out of good mathematical questions. Rather, that many good ones (and bad ones) have already been answered, _and_ that competent people will find &quot;old&quot; answers to (such) good &quot;new&quot; questions... with no such self-censoring for &quot;bad&quot; or &quot;bad new&quot; questions, ... so that there's a dynamic that tends to cause &quot;new&quot; questions, statistically, to decline in quality over time, by being swamped by bad ones." CreationDate="2015-03-22T13:52:36.867" UserId="15629" />
  <row Id="10129" PostId="2193" Score="9" Text="Creating a stable link is a feature of the site you want to link to, not MO or any other site. If the original file (or the whole site) dies, the link dies. The only way to make a stable link to something stored in a suspicious place is to copy it to a more reliable storage and link there." CreationDate="2015-03-22T09:52:32.013" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10132" PostId="2193" Score="0" Text="Think about linking like citing a paper. If you cite a paper from 1900, and there are no more copies of that paper around, the citation is a &quot;dead link&quot;. It will survive if you copy it to some collection &quot;All the Math Published in 1900&quot; or whatever. One example is the Scott-Solovay paper about forcing with Boolean-valued models. It was never published, so all the references are &quot;dead links&quot;. Luckily the content was passed on, and so this is not a big deal." CreationDate="2015-03-22T14:14:01.360" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10133" PostId="2193" Score="0" Text="Then what is a permalink?" CreationDate="2015-03-22T14:34:20.913" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="10134" PostId="2193" Score="6" Text="A permalink is a link about which the webmaster promises to make a reasonable effort to keep it working even if the site is reorganized in an unforseen way in the future. It does not differ form ordinary links in any technical or formal sense." CreationDate="2015-03-22T18:03:01.980" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10135" PostId="2193" Score="2" Text="(Or in a forseen way, for that matter; many links are designed to have a changing content, whereas a permanent link is supposed to keep the same content.)" CreationDate="2015-03-22T18:16:20.610" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10136" PostId="2195" Score="0" Text="The last reopen vote has been cast." CreationDate="2015-03-24T00:45:46.880" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10147" PostId="2197" Score="0" Text="I've now followed your proposal, thanks, and formulated some questions for the explanation/proofs of the heuristics,  http://mathoverflow.net/questions/201098/ It became so long again that indeed it likely were an overkill to add this to the old answer, and the open hypotheses require an official &quot;question&quot; anyway. I hope it also still fits our MO-rules..." CreationDate="2015-03-26T04:35:19.990" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="10148" PostId="2197" Score="0" Text="@GottfriedHelms : &quot;I hope it also still fits our MO-rules... &quot; -&gt; There's no reason whatsoever to believe the opposite, imho. Even more since you like to develop and motivate your ideas, I'd personnally rather see this than a pair of lines ending with &quot;help me please !!1!1!&quot;." CreationDate="2015-03-26T07:49:40.363" UserId="62629" />
  <row Id="10137" PostId="2198" Score="8" Text="Aside from citation, it can also be the result of clicking on something in the &quot;Related&quot; sidebar." CreationDate="2015-03-25T13:19:18.867" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10138" PostId="2198" Score="5" Text="Links to and from the question within MO are listed in the list of linked questions, but I'm not aware of similar link tracking within the entire SE network. I think SE monitors where viewers come from, but I don't know if they are willing to share that information about any particular post." CreationDate="2015-03-25T13:20:56.417" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10139" PostId="2198" Score="4" Text="The MSE search feature doesn't help much, but Googling `site:math.stackexchange.com mathoverflow 31222` (with or without the site specification) gives a list of links. Do the search results look like what you wanted?" CreationDate="2015-03-25T14:51:11.550" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10140" PostId="2198" Score="1" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta: Very clever, Joonas! Unrevealing in this instance. I guess the activity could have originated from any web page, so it becomes a general Internet question of finding all the pages that link to a given URL. Which is of course the basis of Google ranking." CreationDate="2015-03-25T15:00:11.273" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10144" PostId="2198" Score="0" Text="Google search `links:http://mathoverflow.net/q/` does find &quot;all&quot; the webpages that link there, but extending the search more specifically to `links:http://mathoverflow.net/q/31222/6094` fails." CreationDate="2015-03-25T23:10:29.237" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10149" PostId="2198" Score="4" Text="@JosephO'Rourke, one reason is that the last part of the link (6094) is your user id. Other forms of the link (copy from the address bar instead of sharing or just remove your user id) give some other results." CreationDate="2015-03-26T10:18:14.947" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10158" PostId="2198" Score="3" Text="If this has happened recently, it could be due to Nash winning (jointly) the Abel prize. In his presentation on the laureates' work Alex Bellos used images from the Hevea project, and if people used image search on screen caps they might find your question, which also uses them." CreationDate="2015-03-28T05:01:57.210" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10159" PostId="2198" Score="3" Text="@DavidRoberts: That is a brilliant conjecture! &quot;nash embedding hevea&quot; hits my question as the 1st image. Mystery solved!" CreationDate="2015-03-28T14:17:16.453" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10146" PostId="2200" Score="1" Text="You are right that I asked two separate questions, the 2nd of which may be the most interesting. The little-known `links:` prefix in Google searches is quite interesting. E.g., `links:http://cs.smith.edu/~orourke/ -site:cs.smith.edu`." CreationDate="2015-03-25T23:48:56.150" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10156" PostId="2200" Score="5" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: It's link:, not links:; the latter has no meaning for Google Search.  Also, the link: operator deliberately throws away most of the results, see here: http://moz.com/blog/google-link-command-busting-the-myths" CreationDate="2015-03-27T13:03:23.980" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10157" PostId="2200" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov: Well, that certainly explains what appeared to be mysterious behavior! Thanks." CreationDate="2015-03-27T15:56:51.310" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10164" PostId="2202" Score="2" Text="Personally, I believe the impact of points on the quality of questions is probably minimalistic. Also, if there is such effect, how would you quantify it -- maybe by numbers of upvotes (where voting behavior of people may also depend on points), or how else?" CreationDate="2015-03-30T16:05:07.960" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10167" PostId="2202" Score="4" Text="I doubt there is an impact.  People are going to ask their good questions regardless of the points, because they're interested in answers, not because they're interested in points.  If I think of the questions I have that I have not yet asked (or have not been asked by other people) they're all either too technical or difficult, boring or controversial.  Maybe the controversial ones could be massaged into good questions, but it's not points that will motivate me -- only spare time would motivate me." CreationDate="2015-03-30T21:12:03.523" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="10168" PostId="2202" Score="0" Text="Maybe number of upvotes; it might also be interesting to look at number of upvotes weighted by reputation of upvoter. Another thought would be number of views, although this would be biased towards questions with wide appeal." CreationDate="2015-03-30T21:50:16.297" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="10169" PostId="2202" Score="0" Text="Another thought- number of characters in a question, the concept being that length of question correlates positively with quality." CreationDate="2015-03-30T21:55:47.703" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="10171" PostId="2202" Score="9" Text="You think that &quot;length of question correlates positively with quality&quot;? -- I doubt. -- Both good and bad questions can have various lengths, and very long questions are often low-quality (a.k.a. &quot;too broad&quot; or &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot;) in my experience." CreationDate="2015-03-30T22:17:32.897" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10172" PostId="2202" Score="1" Text="Stefan Kohl: My thought is that longer questions evidence that more work has gone into them, so while bad questions might certainly be long, I would wonder whether there is a positive correlation between length and quality.&#xA;In any event, +5 leading to shorter questions would provide evidence, I think, that it reduces effort put into questions, and it leading to longer questions would evidence the opposite." CreationDate="2015-03-30T22:23:18.093" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="10173" PostId="2202" Score="0" Text="I don't understand that. Do you ask questions to gain reputation or do you ask question to gain insights from the answers? I can attest that I ask less questions recently, but that's because nowadays I'm working on my Ph.D. and my ideas are such that I really have no one to ask. So most of my questions get discussed with my advisor, rather than on MathOverflow. But the reputation? That was never a factor. (Although to the record, I do agree that at least on MO, questions *should* be worth as much as answers. And I did protest this change before the migration, several times.)" CreationDate="2015-03-31T00:05:27.133" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10175" PostId="2202" Score="4" Text="There is a another asymmetry between questions and answers that I have wondered about: questions can get votes to close while answers don't." CreationDate="2015-03-31T12:41:48.077" UserId="745" />
  <row Id="10176" PostId="2202" Score="1" Text="Dear Daniel, I am not sure that the statistics supports your personal reaction as you described it because the ratio of questions you asked since the change  is not smaller (perhaps even larger) than the ratio of questions you asked after the change. (This applies to me even more strongly.)" CreationDate="2015-03-31T21:27:35.397" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10177" PostId="2202" Score="0" Text="Dear Gil: But maybe not their quality ;-)&#xA;Also, there's an interesting correlation which I would hypothesize here: When somebody asks a question, they then check the site more often for a certain period, making them also more likely to answer questions. Thus, asking a well thought-out question might actually decrease the ratio of questions to answers! Is this true? Could such a hypothesis be tested? (straying deep into sociology/ behavioural psychology...)" CreationDate="2015-04-01T07:41:18.320" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="10178" PostId="2202" Score="2" Text="There are some (rather not me though) that think many of the best questions are among those that by tradition are turned CW and then yield no points. In my mind this makes your theory quite doubtful." CreationDate="2015-04-01T10:20:17.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10179" PostId="2202" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai I find your comment confusing as &quot;since the change&quot; and &quot;after the change&quot; to me describe the same period of time." CreationDate="2015-04-01T10:22:06.587" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10180" PostId="2202" Score="0" Text="quid: That's a great point! But with CW the answers also get no points. The theory would be that relative number points (question divided by answer), not absolute number of points, influence question quality." CreationDate="2015-04-01T10:33:43.007" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="10181" PostId="2202" Score="2" Text="Thanks Daniel and quid for the lovely responses and interest. Of course, I meant &quot;before&quot; and not &quot;after.&quot; Usually my writing can be characterized by being acted by a large $(Z/2Z)^m$ group of errors. Quid, I dont think the CW effect makes a difference regarding my theory (we can check the statistics without CW questions and answers).But actually I did not propose a theory but rather some statistical concerns (or counter arguments) regarding Daniel's theory :) ." CreationDate="2015-04-01T19:51:02.110" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10182" PostId="2202" Score="5" Text="I'm honestly shocked to hear you're 'less motivated now to ask well thought-out questions because they are &quot;worth less&quot;.' I myself am motivated to ask a question when I care about the answer, and MO is the best place to ask it. Then I make it well thought-out (to within my ability) the better to attract answers. Once my reputation got high enough to be able to correct other people's spelling mistakes, I stopped caring about scoring." CreationDate="2015-04-02T01:51:40.617" UserId="391" />
  <row Id="10183" PostId="2202" Score="2" Text="Allen Knutson: Let me further clarify the distinction. Let's say I want to know whether X satisfies A. If I think I might get an answer, but without external reinforcement (points), I might ask &quot;does X satisfy A?&quot; Only experts would understand. If I got lots of external reinforcement, I might write a question saying what X is, why we would care if X were to satisfy A and what it would imply, and then the question. It wouldn't effect the quality of the answer, perhaps, but it would be a better question for the non-expert. If I'm honest with myself about my motivations, MO rep matters for nonCW." CreationDate="2015-04-02T08:54:06.120" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="10184" PostId="2202" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai thanks for the clarification; it was not quite clear to me what you wanted to express as it could also have been that &quot;since&quot; was &quot;until&quot; for example. Actually one second thought I could have inferred it, but at that time my error-correcting procedure was not working well. On the other point: yes, my first comment was directed at Daniel not you." CreationDate="2015-04-02T15:32:22.727" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10185" PostId="2202" Score="3" Text="(To complement Voltaire.) Cantor: *In re mathematica ars proponendi quaestionem pluris facienda est quam solvendi.* Einstein: *The formulation of a problem is often more essential than its solution... To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old questions from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks real advances in science*. And Wertheimer: *Often in great discoveries the most important thing is that a certain question is found. Envisaging, putting the productive question is often more important, often a greater achievement than solution of a set question*." CreationDate="2015-04-02T17:43:26.423" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="10165" PostId="2203" Score="2" Text="Am I correct in thinking that the vertical axes on these graphs are the difference between the total number of question votes and the total number of answer votes made each week (the first graph being votes of any kind, and the second being only downvotes)?" CreationDate="2015-03-30T20:01:08.403" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="10166" PostId="2203" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey: Precisely." CreationDate="2015-03-30T20:02:38.917" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="10170" PostId="2203" Score="2" Text="Thanks! This is a great answer!!&#xA;My follow-up question would be whether numbers of upvotes are the correct metric to use (certainly it is the most obvious). Other options might be number of views per question, or number of characters per question (are both positively correlated with &quot;quality&quot;? I don't know). Another metric might be decay rate of upvotes with time.&#xA;Do we see a different pattern with respect to these other metrics?" CreationDate="2015-03-30T22:04:40.917" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="10189" PostId="2203" Score="4" Text="&quot;Psychological research strongly suggests that people do better work when motivated by something inside of themselves  than when they are motivated externally&quot;. I think we should be very skeptical about such statements. However, one should be aware that the effects of the external motivations and incentives (and certainly internal ones) can be quite subtle." CreationDate="2015-04-04T19:02:48.030" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10193" PostId="2203" Score="1" Text="@Gil Kalai: The [research is very compelling](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overjustification_effect) that extrinsic motivation can drive out intrinsic motivation in certain circumstances. Stack Exchange sites are [token ecomonmies](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Token_economy) which can be an exception. Receiving upvotes tends to be a more powerful reinforcement than gaining reputation." CreationDate="2015-04-06T07:12:28.797" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="10186" PostId="2205" Score="3" Text="Dear Alexandre, Thank you for this. I am interested though, in data: I would argue that the StackExchange concept would not work without &quot;reputation&quot;. If the site gave no reputation, I doubt the concept would take off, just in terms of sociology. If reputation is an (irrational) motivator, then, it makes sense to ask how RELATIVE reputation effects motivation. Admittedly this is a question for a cognitive psychologist more than for a mathematician, but we can certainly ask it." CreationDate="2015-04-03T08:11:12.790" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="10187" PostId="2205" Score="4" Text="Reputation seems to be one of _the_ major driving factors of Stack Exchange. I would hesitate to decline that." CreationDate="2015-04-03T14:58:45.877" UserId="70092" />
  <row Id="10188" PostId="2205" Score="6" Text="I agree that reputation, and other forms of formal and informal recognition are surprisingly powerful driving factors in MO and in this respect as others, MO is a nice microcosmos which is quite telling about the real world." CreationDate="2015-04-04T17:34:29.957" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10190" PostId="2207" Score="1" Text="Okay, it's undone." CreationDate="2015-04-04T23:32:41.363" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10194" PostId="2208" Score="5" Text="On removal of &quot;fluff&quot;: sometimes I think this concept is overplayed, such as suggestions to remove a thank-you from the OP in a comment under an answer (it is suggested that upvoting is enough) as being &quot;too chatty&quot; -- this could be useful to assure that an unaccepted answer really did help the OP. That's just my personal belief though. An exchange of &quot;thank you&quot; plus &quot;you're welcome&quot; without further information coming in can probably be removed after a spell." CreationDate="2015-04-07T14:44:42.537" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10195" PostId="2208" Score="3" Text="Everybody knows that $ZFC$ should be $\sf ZFC$, or at least $\rm ZFC$. :-)" CreationDate="2015-04-07T16:43:56.087" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10196" PostId="2208" Score="1" Text="The choice of fonts aside, per good TeX practice, $ZFC$ should be $\mathit{ZFC}$. The former is typeset as if it were three variable names in a row, and consequently has kerning (and ligatures) messed up." CreationDate="2015-04-07T17:13:42.670" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10197" PostId="2208" Score="4" Text="This post might be a good candidate for the faq tag." CreationDate="2015-04-07T17:18:51.760" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10198" PostId="2208" Score="1" Text="@Emil: Whenever someone mentions bad kerning, I remember [how much I hate myself](https://xkcd.com/1015/)." CreationDate="2015-04-07T17:57:39.050" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10199" PostId="2208" Score="1" Text="At this point I half-expected someone would edit my amateurish TeXing and and improve the tags! But maybe they didn't want to annoy me. :-D" CreationDate="2015-04-07T19:18:15.230" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10200" PostId="2208" Score="5" Text="I am a bit leery of grammatical corrections (cf. posts on LanguageLog) and I personally feel that respect for OP's idiom outweighs grammatical niceties unless there is something drastic such as subject/object confusion" CreationDate="2015-04-07T20:19:23.130" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10201" PostId="2208" Score="5" Text="Since fonts were mentioned, I feel compelled (if not obliged) to mention my pet peeve of people making things blackboard bold when the original post had no danger of ambiguity" CreationDate="2015-04-07T20:20:43.190" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10202" PostId="2208" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi I mostly agree with your first comment (and I certainly don't want to encourage Mrs. Grundy who is in the habit of prescribing &quot;correct&quot; grammar, such as avoiding split infinitives). I'll probably wind up editing some more to reflect that. But I do feel strongly about spelling names correctly." CreationDate="2015-04-07T20:31:51.513" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10204" PostId="2208" Score="7" Text="This all looks very reasonable, but I don't see a question.  Is the etiquette on Meta (Metiquette?) that &quot;FAQ&quot; articles such as this are posted in the question queue?" CreationDate="2015-04-07T22:34:15.413" UserId="14830" />
  <row Id="10205" PostId="2208" Score="2" Text="I agree with Noam, actually. This should have been posed as an answer to a &quot;simple question&quot; like &quot;What are the etiquette rules to consider when editing someone else's post?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-07T23:07:57.643" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10206" PostId="2208" Score="2" Text="@NoamD.Elkies Thanks for your observation; looking over past &quot;public service announcements&quot; on MO meta, you're right that they sort of follow the question-answer format. Maybe this will look more in line with that practice." CreationDate="2015-04-07T23:40:24.313" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10293" PostId="2208" Score="1" Text="@Asaf they once [scolded me for an attempt to fix](http://mathoverflow.net/review/suggested-edits/26356)." CreationDate="2015-04-19T15:11:06.450" UserId="56921" />
  <row Id="10227" PostId="2209" Score="2" Text="I think the &quot;fluff&quot; issue has been discussed before, but do not have a link at present to give.  In particular, StackExchange wants less fluff and more fact, while MathOverflow had (and I hope still has) a culture of politeness and tolerance for some fluff.  In particular, occasional expressions of thanks reinforce the civil and forgiving atmosphere.  Certainly we can stand a few (if not too many) Hi's as well.  Gerhard &quot;Position On Signatures Remains Unchanged&quot; Paseman, 2015.04.08" CreationDate="2015-04-09T02:19:23.197" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10228" PostId="2209" Score="3" Text="@GerhardPaseman Yes, MO is &quot;special&quot; among SE sites and we like it that way. I can tolerate plenty of fluff in comments (and as a mod, I am sometimes uncomfortable processing some of the &quot;too chatty&quot; flags when people are just being friendly with each other). A little friendly banter with Asaf or Will Jagy is harmless. I am usually somewhat less keen on fluff in questions (e.g., affecting a tone of familiarity as in &quot;Hey there, Math Geeks!&quot; or text-message abbreviations like 'plz' and thx' -- those do set my teeth on edge). I dislike sloppiness in questions, e.g., misspellings in titles." CreationDate="2015-04-09T02:44:58.563" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10263" PostId="2209" Score="1" Text="I wonder if it makes sense to include the information that one can undo an edit with two clicks. The rollback-option is not at the (IMO) most intuitive place, so for some (newer) users this might be unclear, and this might aggravate any frustration about an edit. OTOH, it might also lead to inconsiderate rollbacks." CreationDate="2015-04-12T00:43:40.863" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10207" PostId="2210" Score="3" Text="There used to be a way to disable preview on the old MO 1.0 but that got lost in the transition. Consider making a feature request to bring it back. Have you tried [StackEdit](https://stackedit.io/)? Is the slowdown the same there?" CreationDate="2015-04-08T01:00:03.727" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="10208" PostId="2210" Score="0" Text="I have not experienced any significant slowdown on StackEdit." CreationDate="2015-04-08T02:20:36.453" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="10226" PostId="2210" Score="1" Text="Interesting, I've experienced the opposite problem lately: when an answer gets too long, MathJax apparently stops (pre-)compiling at some point." CreationDate="2015-04-09T01:51:49.783" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="29173" PostId="2210" Score="0" Text="Related: [How to turn off the MathJax preview?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2660)" CreationDate="2023-10-27T11:26:08.220" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="10209" PostId="2211" Score="3" Text="I realize that this poll is probably very biased since the people experiencing this problem are more likely the click on this question." CreationDate="2015-04-08T02:44:51.273" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="10210" PostId="2211" Score="7" Text="I almost always compose my answers and questions in a separate editor, and then copy/paste into the MO field just before posting." CreationDate="2015-04-08T03:29:56.937" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="10211" PostId="2211" Score="2" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: Me too. -- But I observed that after pasting, I need to make at least one change -- otherwise MO lets me solve a CAPTCHA, which can be annoying since sometimes the characters are also not very legible for a human." CreationDate="2015-04-08T10:32:46.423" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10217" PostId="2211" Score="4" Text="I do not find that the formatting is slow, but it does create a very annoying kind of flicker.  I generally stretch the answer box so that the formatted answer is invisible below the bottom of the browser, which cures the problem for me." CreationDate="2015-04-08T13:16:48.870" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="10244" PostId="2211" Score="2" Text="I downvoted, but experience the same kind of &quot;flicker&quot; as Neil. I would describe it as a kind of &quot;bouncing&quot; of the characters as I type (and like him, I shield myself from having to look at it)." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:48:26.797" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10213" PostId="2212" Score="4" Text="Leaving a reason for closure beyond the scripted boxes is (and has always been) optional. One reason for leaving it optional might be that people don't want to get into arguments with the OP, although I think it's commendable when someone makes an effort to explain in a constructive way. Finally, let me mention also this thread: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-votes where people can make appeals to have questions re-opened, although it'd be somewhat trickier here since we'd have to get the mods there to migrate it back." CreationDate="2015-04-08T11:30:07.787" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10214" PostId="2212" Score="1" Text="Thanks quid, I edited it a bit - any better? I have no stake in the question at all - just that I started thinking about it when I saw it in my rss-feed, and I was surprised to see what had happened to the question when I came to MO. I am genuinely interested in why it was rejected, and also why it was migrated to the stats site. Todd: thanks, unfortunately the scripted box is unhelpful in this case, since &quot;off-topic&quot; doesn't seem to apply at all. Is it appropriate for me to &quot;appeal&quot; it even though I have nothing to do with the question myself?" CreationDate="2015-04-08T11:56:50.727" UserId="5784" />
  <row Id="10215" PostId="2212" Score="2" Text="One shibboleth seems to be that troublesome phrase &quot;Show that...&quot; which can make a question look like an exercise from a textbook. (By itself, that's a weak criterion; some independent judgment should be exercised.) While I am concerned by some of the recent judgment calls on question-closure, at least one of the closers has established expertise in the subject area, and I don't have an instinct whether a mistake was made here. The fact that you yourself seem knowledgeable about this area and don't have a stake in the game makes it seem *very* appropriate for you to consider appealing." CreationDate="2015-04-08T12:01:42.790" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10216" PostId="2212" Score="1" Text="Thanks for following up. I removed the vote and the comment." CreationDate="2015-04-08T12:31:41.983" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10218" PostId="2212" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I just noticed your comment on [stats.se]. I am not sure what is the best way to proceed. But it might be simplest if you do a &quot;recall&quot; on the migration right away; as soon as there is relevant action on [stats.se] it might be  too late." CreationDate="2015-04-08T18:57:00.140" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10219" PostId="2212" Score="0" Text="@quid Thanks for the suggestion. I've signaled to have a pow-wow; meanwhile, if there is anyone who would like to weigh in on whether they think the migration was justified, that could be useful information. It might be nice to hear from one or more of the closers as well, why they thought closure+migration was the right response. (As I said before, I don't have an instinct one way or the other.)" CreationDate="2015-04-08T22:07:53.373" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10220" PostId="2212" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble: My reasons to vote to migrate were as follows: 1. the imperative &quot;Show that ...&quot;;&#xA;2. the uncommon use of *pluralis auctoris* in the second-last sentence;&#xA;3. three pending votes to migrate to stats.se (so some people regarded this as&#xA;a suitable question for that site -- I don't know the precise scope of stats.se,&#xA;but my guess was the question might fit, as it is about stochastics); 4. new user.&#xA;If the question is mathematically fine for MO (which I can't tell, as I am not&#xA;working in stochastics), it could be migrated back and edited, I think." CreationDate="2015-04-08T22:28:21.090" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10221" PostId="2212" Score="6" Text="@StefanKohl I appreciate your responding. It seems generally consistent with stances you've taken in the past on reasons for closure. My general feeling is that we should be rather more welcoming to new users and their questions (thus I strongly reject 4. as a good reason), as the continued health and viability of MO really depends on it. Thus I am all for maintaining high mathematical standards, but IMHO reasons for closure should not be based on surface-level features as in 1. and 2. (or because others voted a certain way, as in 3.). We should discuss this further some time." CreationDate="2015-04-08T23:01:21.737" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10223" PostId="2212" Score="0" Text="The migration to stats has been rejected." CreationDate="2015-04-09T01:01:07.733" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="10224" PostId="2212" Score="2" Text="Right: following quid's suggestion, I had put in a request for a recall. The status of http://mathoverflow.net/questions/202242/a-question-on-0-1-valued-stochastic-process is that it is now unlocked at MO but is still on hold while we discuss this. The stats mod remarked that it would have been on-topic for their site, but he thought it might fare better here at MO." CreationDate="2015-04-09T01:08:46.917" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10229" PostId="2212" Score="1" Text="The question got reopened." CreationDate="2015-04-09T09:03:59.363" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10231" PostId="2212" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl I didn't think the question looked sloppy. Certainly not on account of &quot;show that&quot; and English that is just slightly off. Otherwise, you and I agree on being opposed to sloppy questions -- but they might not learn what the problem is unless we actually say something in a comment. Closure (plus migration) is not necessarily going to get that message across; a comment would be better, provided that the level seems right." CreationDate="2015-04-09T10:49:13.013" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10232" PostId="2212" Score="7" Text="Even if the question *were* sloppy, that doesn’t get solved by migration. We are not supposed to just dump our garbage on someone else’s backyard, are we?" CreationDate="2015-04-09T15:43:30.957" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10233" PostId="2212" Score="4" Text="@EmilJeřábek Indeed. In addition one should only migrate to sites one is familiar with, and in doubt one should not migrate. Put differently: one should only migrate if a question is off-topic here, and one is *sure* it is a *good* on-topic question there." CreationDate="2015-04-09T17:00:01.477" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10234" PostId="2212" Score="6" Text="@Emil: Speaking as a lurker (and occasional contributor) here, and as a mod on stats.SE: Thank you! For those other readers and some commenters here, please consider reading [this meta post](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/10250) regarding migration. MO users can be quite adamant that site norms are respected (even by first-time users); it would seem that, reciprocally, we should be equally mindful of the norms of other sites (and SE as a whole) as well, even though MO culture will deviate from them at times. Cheers." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:20:54.713" UserId="17114" />
  <row Id="10283" PostId="2212" Score="0" Text="I voted to close as its framing &quot;Show that&quot;; and suggesting the use of a particular theorem suggested it was a homework question. I did not vote to migrate to stat.stackexchange.com, but rather to close it. I would have commented, but as I was the last vote, comments were frozen immediately after I voted." CreationDate="2015-04-14T16:34:32.730" UserId="11054" />
  <row Id="10222" PostId="2213" Score="0" Text="It appears that the migration to stats was rejected." CreationDate="2015-04-09T00:59:00.453" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="10225" PostId="2213" Score="1" Text="Actually, the stats mod reported that it would have been on-topic for their site, but also that it might fare better at MO if it were reopened. It is currently on hold at MO and could be reopened with five votes. Incidentally, James, is this a question you'd be prepared to answer?" CreationDate="2015-04-09T01:27:30.643" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10235" PostId="2213" Score="2" Text="As a stats.SE moderator, I can confirm @Todd's comment regarding this question being on-topic at stats. We'll consider clarifying the scope a little bit on our help pages. Thanks for mentioning it. Cheers." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:27:32.530" UserId="17114" />
  <row Id="10236" PostId="2214" Score="1" Text="MESE is still in beta, so we cannot establish a migration channel yet. It is a possible migration target, but I think it would be best discussed after MESE is out of beta. Also, moderators can migrate to any other SE site, so if the flux of questions that belong to academia.SE is small, the migration channel does not seem necessary. There is also a limit on the number of migration targets, but we can of course revert changes that we are not happy with." CreationDate="2015-04-10T11:00:11.050" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10238" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="Okay, I didn't know about the migration limit ; assuming it is $3$ as Emil said (before withdrawing his comment, sadly), then the question pretty much loses its interest. Unless one is willing to sacrifice the path to Meta, for instance, but that would probably deserve its own debate, assuming it is worth anything." CreationDate="2015-04-10T11:03:43.537" UserId="62629" />
  <row Id="10239" PostId="2214" Score="1" Text="Actually, the discussion at http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/141 indicates that the limit is 4, not including meta.MO. So, there is still room for two more migration targets." CreationDate="2015-04-10T11:15:48.373" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10240" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="The same discussion also show a lot of support for inclusion of academia.SE, except that the site was still in beta at the time." CreationDate="2015-04-10T11:21:01.527" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10241" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="Wow. It's been two years since we migrated here. :|" CreationDate="2015-04-10T11:52:09.630" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10242" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="Could you give a list of (recent) examples that could be migrated? If there are not a lot of instances it seems not necessary to have an open pqth. Instead just flag for moderator with the request." CreationDate="2015-04-10T14:31:03.240" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10243" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="In the past three months, there have been 3 migrations to Academia.SE. One was rejected because the question had already been crossposted." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:39:29.930" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="10245" PostId="2214" Score="2" Text="In case somebody is not aware and interested in more details, 10k+ users have access to such data too http://mathoverflow.net/tools/posts/migrated/away" CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:50:02.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10253" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="@quid : Actually, the question was prompted precisely by a question asked on MO which was about reviewing and publishing - but the author quickly withdrawed it and I don't have 10k rep, so I can't give a link. But if you look at recently (~24 hrs) erased questions, perhaps you will find it. Tags were, if I'm not mistaken, &quot;review&quot; and &quot;publishing&quot;." CreationDate="2015-04-11T13:08:41.363" UserId="62629" />
  <row Id="10254" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="@Hachino I see. I would have a hard time finding it though, as self-deletions are not in this list." CreationDate="2015-04-11T13:09:39.153" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10272" PostId="2216" Score="2" Text="&quot;in contrast to some things deservedly on around -5 which have been hanging around in the delete queue for some time&quot; Such things are auto-deleted too, and much faster, after 9 days. There is *not much point in voting to delete it manually,* indeed IMO one should not as it pollutes the delete queue.  (This is applies to posts without positively scored or accepted answer.) [I lifted this from the answer-thread, as it rather belongs here, and since again I stumbled over pointless delete-votes.]" CreationDate="2015-04-12T10:41:30.997" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10273" PostId="2216" Score="0" Text="@quid I thought the waiting period was longer than 9 days; thanks for the correction" CreationDate="2015-04-12T10:43:34.603" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10274" PostId="2216" Score="0" Text="@quid Currently I can see the lowest voted questions for the last 7 days, the last 14 days, etc. How do I combine these with Boolean, i.e. look for the lowest voted questions older than 7 days and within last 14 days?" CreationDate="2015-04-12T10:46:26.557" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10275" PostId="2216" Score="0" Text="You are welcome. There is also a 30 days period (but this is for open questions with negative score, and migration stubs; maybe the latter can be delete worthy sometimes). For all the details see [the relevant MSE post](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/78048/enable-automatic-deletion-of-old-unanswered-zero-score-questions-after-a-year/92006#92006). (The one I mention is the last; it is a bit odd they discuss 30;365;9 in that order.)" CreationDate="2015-04-12T10:48:58.563" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10276" PostId="2216" Score="1" Text="For you second comment: if you are talking about the list under &quot;tools&quot; I think this just does not work. What I would do instead is just use normal search. For example, the query &quot;is:q score:..-1 closed:yes answers:1&quot; will give all closed questions with score &lt;= -1 and &gt;=1 answers. (These are often not autodeleted, as answers prevent it easily.) Then use the tab &quot;newest&quot; an skip the first few to find the time you are interested in. For example http://mathoverflow.net/questions/201534/ will stay with us forever if we do not delete it by hand." CreationDate="2015-04-12T11:06:32.880" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10246" PostId="2217" Score="2" Text="But this kind of thing is why I don't want the front page having done and dusted answers/questions bumped! It is easy not to notice the questions if they get pushed off the front page!" CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:48:19.673" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10247" PostId="2217" Score="3" Text="Several of those questions seem an order of magnitude more worthwhile than the crud which is about 2-5 days old and is sitting there in the delete queue with, it seems, hardly anyone other than me voting to delete..." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:49:19.300" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10249" PostId="2217" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: I think the autodeletion rules make sense -- if a question has score 0 and no answers after an entire year, then it is usually save to assume that it can be removed. Actually you can help cleaning up low-quality questions by going through the lists [here](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/63801/old-questions-that-can-be-deleted-with-a-downvote) or [here](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/edit/153664) and downvote everything which you think is not worth to be kept -- then it will be removed in the next autodeletion cycle (once per week or so)." CreationDate="2015-04-11T10:00:42.840" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10250" PostId="2217" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi  I do check the delete queue from time to time, yet rarely as it seems indeed hardly anybody else does anymore. It is however in my opinion a wasted effort to vote to delete 2-5 days old closed question without answer and negative score. They will be auto-deleted after 9 days anyway. In fact I find such delete votes rather pollute the queue. On [math.se] there is a chat room to coordinate un/deletions; we could do the same. Maybe a new room is not needed we could use the editors' lounge." CreationDate="2015-04-11T10:28:47.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10251" PostId="2217" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl the list you link to is really not the place where I would start to look. Actually, I think it is not such a good idea to start downvoting questions from +1 to 0 to get **open** questions deleted.  There are plenty of closed questions that did not get deleted for some reason or other (for example a [low] positive score answer). If anything I would focus on those." CreationDate="2015-04-11T11:59:22.153" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10252" PostId="2217" Score="2" Text="@Stefan: You can also use [the search parameters](http://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=newest&amp;q=is%3aq%20closed%3a1%20score%3a0%20answers%3a1%20hasaccepted%3ano). Only two of them are not eligible for autodelete *today*." CreationDate="2015-04-11T12:17:49.720" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10255" PostId="2217" Score="0" Text="@Asaf Thanks for adding the query; I was lazy. Some of those are what I meant (but I do not see why they are all eligible for auto-delete; some have high-scoring answers), and had in mind when [writing recently that auto-del is not perfect](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/20562757#20562757)." CreationDate="2015-04-11T13:14:24.693" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10256" PostId="2217" Score="0" Text="@quid: I didn't say that &quot;one vote will delete this&quot;, I just said that those are closed questions without an accepted answer and without votes. Which are almost eligible for auto-deletion." CreationDate="2015-04-11T13:33:31.800" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10259" PostId="2217" Score="6" Text="Decisions about ignoring (rather than deleting) questions should be left to USERS. It's WRONG for an automatic system to decide: 1. there is enough of disk to keep arbitrarily many questions; 2. sorts will tell you what you need about the questions, eg voting &amp; reading statistics; 3. there can be users who enjoy questions of the deleted author, even if they didn't vote on the questions--they could always go back to the authors; furthermore, there can be a user interested in an author who (the user) doesn't exist today but may join MO--say--in a year, or five, from now." CreationDate="2015-04-11T18:29:19.637" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="10279" PostId="2217" Score="2" Text="@WłodzimierzHolsztyński : as usual, two points. (1) We have absolutely zero control over the software. (2) In regards to your point 3, this is published behaviour of the software. If the user cannot be bothered to read the manual and upvote those question he enjoys, I think he has no right to complain when the question gets deleted." CreationDate="2015-04-13T12:01:09.267" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="10280" PostId="2217" Score="1" Text="@WillieWong re 1, I disagree a bit as it is not so clear SE would not consider turning off  (or modifying) for some sites that part of the auto-delete script when a clear case would be made why this is desirable for some sites." CreationDate="2015-04-13T13:05:08.193" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10248" PostId="2218" Score="16" Text="I don't disagree with the assessment that 3 is pretty low, but the one that was rejected was because it was duplicate of the [crossposted version](http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/36783/should-i-submit-a-revised-version-of-my-paper-before-hearing-back-about-the-firs), which did okay there. I don't think that should count as an additional negative." CreationDate="2015-04-11T06:50:03.537" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="10258" PostId="2219" Score="7" Text="That's very interesting. See revision 7 here: http://mathoverflow.net/posts/39828/revisions" CreationDate="2015-04-11T18:28:00.463" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10261" PostId="2219" Score="4" Text="I think that in many cases, it will not be obvious to an editor that the author &quot;put special effort into editing&quot;.  In particular, this applies to the incident that prompted this post." CreationDate="2015-04-11T21:14:16.600" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="10262" PostId="2219" Score="4" Text="@EricWofsey The post was prompted by my reflecting on more than one such incident. There are enough instances of people reacting negatively to their posts being edited, and counterreactions, that I thought some general discussion was in order." CreationDate="2015-04-11T21:50:31.767" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10264" PostId="2219" Score="3" Text="@Todd: I generally do not like my posts to be edited. Of course, I can't help if they are, and I rarely rollback edits if I find them reasonable; but many times I would prefer to be consulted via comments first (in other words, I prefer to have the issues pointed out to me). Then I can consider whether or not I feel that bumping an old thread to the main page is reasonable enough for this sort of edit, or I will try to find additional issues which need attention. But in general, I am not a fan of waking up and finding a useless edit had been suggested to my posts, and was approved by others." CreationDate="2015-04-12T01:29:12.320" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10265" PostId="2219" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey -- one who edits someone's post has (should) pay a careful attention to the text. In the given case the editor had to see my **consistent** patient effort into enforcing my style of mathematical communication. Overwhelming majority of people on Internet and on MO at least tolerate my style even if they don't care or even dislike it. Many continue Internet discussions with me following there my conventions, within the given thread (sometimes even outside of them). An active destroying someone else's style would be intolerant, and hostile when persistent." CreationDate="2015-04-12T01:50:56.910" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="10266" PostId="2219" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble -- you may start another thread. It may be at least as interesting and useful. We may have another good discussion." CreationDate="2015-04-12T01:52:28.210" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="10267" PostId="2219" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila Well, I'm all against useless edits! (Does that happen often?) I get my posts edited too sometimes. Most of the time it's an improvement, and I'm glad for the intervention. Maybe once or twice I've thought the edit was useless, and knowing me, I probably just let the editor know what I thought and wouldn't have felt compunction about rolling back if I thought the intervention was without merit. My main message though is not to blow one's stack, not be territorial, but accept occasional edits as part of life and usually coming from good intentions. I don't worry about the bump." CreationDate="2015-04-12T02:01:17.430" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10268" PostId="2219" Score="0" Text="@Asaf Wanna know someone who's really gracious about edits? Joel David Hamkins. It might be something little, but my observation is that he almost always thanks the editor for the little effort to make a micro improvement. It makes for a good collegial atmosphere." CreationDate="2015-04-12T02:15:29.793" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10269" PostId="2219" Score="7" Text="@WłodzimierzHolsztyński If I may speak frankly: I really wish you would temper your language in your interactions with others. Things would go down much, much better if you avoid calling people &quot;ignorant&quot;, &quot;arrogant&quot;, &quot;insensitive&quot;, or say things like &quot;shame on you&quot;, or accuse people of &quot;gaming&quot;, etc., etc. In the present instance, much drama and unpleasantness could be avoided if you were to say something like, &quot;I appreciate that you probably mean to be helpful, but I prefer my own style of formatting, and so I'm going to roll back to the previous version.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-12T02:32:20.160" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10270" PostId="2219" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble -- mea culpa" CreationDate="2015-04-12T03:04:02.623" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="10271" PostId="2219" Score="0" Text="@Todd: I try to do that when I notice the edit, and I approve of the edit (e.g. when it is an obvious typo)." CreationDate="2015-04-12T07:35:31.847" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10278" PostId="2220" Score="1" Text="Use a video screen capture software, then extract a single frame from the video! :-)" CreationDate="2015-04-13T00:16:34.637" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10277" PostId="2221" Score="3" Text="Nice summary. On the second point: no I think it only exists in one way, see [the blog post on it](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/05/vote-for-this-question-or-the-kitten-gets-it/) according to which it is triggered after 15 votes on answers. The point is *globally* there is a (perceived) lack of votes on questions, thus this mechanism to get more votes on questions. This is also present in the &quot;electorate badge&quot; where there is a lower bound on the number of votes on Q (not A)." CreationDate="2015-04-12T22:23:44.740" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10286" PostId="2224" Score="14" Text="Blech.  It will take two clicks instead of one to figure out what someone has been doing recently.  And it's seriously ugly." CreationDate="2015-04-16T23:57:37.320" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="10287" PostId="2224" Score="4" Text="I've not finished skimming that post/link, but in my opinion, Grimlock treat this kind of tomfoolery with scorn and rally Dinobots to join him seek return to Proper Ways" CreationDate="2015-04-17T00:28:11.410" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10288" PostId="2224" Score="7" Text="Also, I am inclined to agree with Andy on the aesthetics." CreationDate="2015-04-17T00:29:23.187" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10291" PostId="2224" Score="8" Text="I see this has been implemented at math.stackexchange. I agree with Andy and Yemon, and annoyed that it is, apparently, a fait accompli." CreationDate="2015-04-19T02:41:52.707" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10292" PostId="2224" Score="8" Text="Another point is that the Profile pages (which are now to be the default pages) would seem to be moving our beloved site into a social media direction (think FB, Twitter) that many MO users explicitly do not want." CreationDate="2015-04-19T02:56:46.330" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10294" PostId="2224" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble the general fact that, and how, the profile pages will be changed was discussed over the period of a year with plenty of community input, e.g., they were live as a test on [meta.se] for quite some time. (If you think MO wants some special-casing you might want to start a discussion about it.) A good point to start to trace the process might be [this initial post](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/226177/the-profile-page-is-getting-a-makeover-part-one) and then following the dupe-links." CreationDate="2015-04-19T16:26:30.333" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10295" PostId="2224" Score="2" Text="I have just seen some of these profiles on MSE and now can't decided which I dislike more: the aesthetics of the design, or the &quot;banter&quot; of the SO blogpost which is linked to by Bjorn." CreationDate="2015-04-19T18:31:59.220" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10296" PostId="2224" Score="1" Text="I think, to save time and trouble, we should color the user names brown for those in favor of the migration to 2.0 from MathOverflow 1.0, purple for those against, and black for those who abstain or are/were undecided.  (Or have a committee decide on the color scheme, for those who have a few weeks to kill.)  That way the color says it all, and will save a lot of future typing, trust me.  If you weren't expecting this sort of thing after the migration, you weren't thinking ahead.  Gerhard &quot;I'll Take The Color Green&quot; Paseman, 2015.04.19" CreationDate="2015-04-19T20:59:27.613" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10297" PostId="2224" Score="0" Text="Oh, and before the discussion gets out of hand, we have an agreement to part ways and do things our own way (with our own servers, maintenance team, software support, as well as giving up all or most of the benefits accrued from the migration, etc.).  All those ready to pull the ripcord on the emergency chute, raise your hands.  Gerhard &quot;Still Thinking About Hand Raising&quot; Paseman, 2015.04.19" CreationDate="2015-04-19T21:05:32.967" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10299" PostId="2224" Score="3" Text="@quid I *plead* guilty to not knowing this was coming until recently, although I certainly don't *feel* guilty about that or that I've somehow been remiss. Mostly I tune into meta.stackexchange when I have to look up some point of policy to do my &quot;job&quot; here (which is volunteer work, as you know). My comments before were in view of just such a discussion of &quot;special-casing&quot; as you put it: this is just the type of thing that probably had people leery of the migration. I would love an opt-in policy for MO users." CreationDate="2015-04-19T22:40:42.767" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10300" PostId="2224" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble I didn't mean to assign any guilt, I mainly meant to point out that it was *[and is](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/253450/)* possible  to influence how the profile pages look. I feel a mountain is made out of a mole-hill here. To me hardly anything seems to have changed; the navigation via  tabs is now more nested, which has up-sides and down-sides. The actual information provided is almost unchanged. I would be curious what specifically made you say that the change makes the site move into a social media direction. (I'd be against this, but I don't see it.)" CreationDate="2015-04-19T23:06:35.450" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10301" PostId="2224" Score="5" Text="@quid I read encouragement towards that direction on the blog post: &quot;The Profile Page lets you show others a summary of what you’re all about. Share your interests, favorite charities, or your Twitter, Github, and SO Careers activity.&quot; See also the illustrative page of Tambo which lists her music interests, what she's currently learning, etc. This is the kind of fluff that I expect many MO users are not interested in -- we come here for the *mathematics*, not to check up on personal interests (which is apparently supposed to be a point of attraction for the default page)." CreationDate="2015-04-19T23:39:37.107" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10303" PostId="2224" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble that part seems to refer to the &quot;about me&quot; that existed always. (The sole change being that it is now top-center rather then top-right and perhaps it's very slightly larger.) Everybody can and always could write everything there (as long as it is not offensive). To me explanation is a completely generic way of saying &quot;write whatever you like there&quot; (the expl. must make sense for 100+ sites); but example-text seems except for three/four words completely about the subject of the respective site. Anyway, in practice, the *existing* texts would be shown before and  after the change." CreationDate="2015-04-20T00:26:56.593" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10304" PostId="2224" Score="7" Text="@quid I know about &quot;About Me&quot;. My point is that the new design is putting the fluff front and center on the default page, and that I personally prefer having everything consolidated on a single user page, and that **that should be an option**. (The way I use user pages, aside from moderator activities, is somewhat along the lines of what they predict I won't be interested in: stuff on users' activity pages (past questions, answers, comments mainly). Not interested much in personal stuff which used to be unobtrusively off to the side, and that I now must click past to get what I really want.)" CreationDate="2015-04-20T00:38:05.947" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10316" PostId="2224" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble why not explain, perhaps at a more appropriate place, how exactly you think it should be an option (per site, per user what they show, per user what they see, still something else). With *specific* proposals one can hope for modifications, with just saying &quot;seriously ugly&quot; rather not." CreationDate="2015-04-20T07:28:17.013" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10317" PostId="2224" Score="5" Text="For reference: the proposal that which page one gets shown should be user-selectable [was raised](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/253659) and declined, yet with the add-on it might be revisited. (A reasoning might be to wait and to see how many actually click through  to the other page/tab.) Anyway, this behavior, if desired, can be achieved easily with a user-script, too. Linked on the linked post." CreationDate="2015-04-20T10:55:05.240" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10318" PostId="2224" Score="2" Text="@quid Thanks for your advice." CreationDate="2015-04-20T11:29:22.900" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11276" PostId="2224" Score="0" Text="Link appears to be dead. Try https://blog.stackoverflow.com/2015/04/two-new-user-pages-one-new-stat-this-on/" CreationDate="2015-09-24T14:58:16.287" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="10290" PostId="2225" Score="6" Text="I am really looking forward to the update. Being also used to  some other pages in the network, the current look of MO starts to feels a bit clumsy." CreationDate="2015-04-17T16:48:26.730" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10298" PostId="2225" Score="12" Text="Preferring to sound more like a curmudgeon than an ungrateful user, I and many others would appreciate this new style to be a user selectable toggle, so that I (and doubtless many other users of this forum) could choose to opt-in to this style change.  Further, while the phrase &quot;people reached&quot; sounds noble and progressive, I think something more realistic like &quot;views tallied&quot; is to be preferred, at least until we raise the ceilings and widen doorways to accommodate head growth. Gerhard &quot;Ego Is Already Big Enough&quot; Paseman, 2015.04.19" CreationDate="2015-04-19T21:12:28.577" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10509" PostId="2225" Score="3" Text="I find the new user Profile page---with its Top Network Posts cutting across all Stack Exchange sites, etc.---more informative than the current page. I'm with @quid, looking forward to the new pages." CreationDate="2015-05-25T14:13:36.270" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10308" PostId="2226" Score="12" Text="Readers with sufficiently many reputation points will be able to see three deleted posts in this thread: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/74458/is-there-some-known-way-to-create-the-mandelbrot-set-the-boundary-with-an-ite/180473" CreationDate="2015-04-20T03:55:44.443" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10309" PostId="2226" Score="1" Text="There is more than one level of redress, and more than one avenue for support.  You can email both StackOverflow and MathOverflow moderators for assistance.  Although you may have a complaint that is valid, and may be upset about, editorializing afterwards is more likely to get in the way of a good resolution than to help." CreationDate="2015-04-20T03:59:38.313" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="10311" PostId="2226" Score="6" Text="I recall the OPs answer, and remember concurring with the moderator that deleted them.  In any case, even if someone disagrees with the moderator's actions, the views in this question seem extreme." CreationDate="2015-04-20T04:06:20.430" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="10319" PostId="2226" Score="3" Text="Where do all the down-votes and close-votes come from? Is this a left over from the time this question spent on MO itself? Or are these new votes acquired here on meta? Because it seems to me that for this kind of question meta is exactly the right place." CreationDate="2015-04-20T12:43:58.170" UserId="3041" />
  <row Id="10320" PostId="2226" Score="9" Text="@JohannesHahn It might be the right place for questions about moderation. It is not the right place for rants like this." CreationDate="2015-04-20T13:12:23.983" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="10321" PostId="2226" Score="5" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger it would be *completely misguided* to contact the Stack Overflow moderators about this subject (just as wrong as it would be to contact this site's moderators for an issue on [physics.se]). What you likely meant is to contact the SE community managers; this is a different group of persons though." CreationDate="2015-04-20T13:27:45.800" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10322" PostId="2226" Score="2" Text="Absolutely right @quid.  I should have said StackExchange, not StackOverflow.  Thanks for the correction." CreationDate="2015-04-20T15:42:10.317" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="10324" PostId="2226" Score="3" Text="On consultation with others, I have decided to reopen (closure of the question means the migration is rejected; this places the question under lock). Perhaps the question can be edited to remove the rant-like tone; there is an objective question lurking there, and the OP also has a right to hear an explanation if that is what he wants. (I had nothing to do with the posts that were deleted, in case anyone is wondering.)" CreationDate="2015-04-21T14:29:07.623" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10325" PostId="2226" Score="3" Text="For the record: I disagree with the decision to reopen and edit the question. If someone believes that there is an objective question lurking there that should be explored, then IMO that person should have started a separate thread." CreationDate="2015-04-21T15:37:55.463" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="10326" PostId="2226" Score="2" Text="@BillJohnson Thanks for responding to this. Now that you bring it up, it's indeed possible that I should have performed a different type of action to clean up the mess created by the rejected migration: clear the migration history and then simply close the original post which was sitting at MO. In other words, there are technical aspects of moderating which I'm still learning (as they arise). But I think the post can be re-closed without recreating that mess." CreationDate="2015-04-21T16:00:36.443" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10327" PostId="2226" Score="1" Text="Given the number of downvotes, readers will have to work to find this meta post.  Much as I prefer the edited form (I really am bothered by rants), I agree with Bill Johnson and think a new question with the same topic be started.  If encouraged, I will make the new post, and someone can copy the answer so it is more visible." CreationDate="2015-04-21T16:13:14.117" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="10328" PostId="2226" Score="0" Text="@TheMaskedAvenger That sounds good to me." CreationDate="2015-04-21T16:16:42.873" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10338" PostId="2226" Score="0" Text="Ok.  New attempt posted.  It looks like it is not going well, but let's wait.  Sometimes it takes a whole day for things to crash and burn spectacularly." CreationDate="2015-04-21T19:06:57.210" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="10348" PostId="2227" Score="0" Text="It would appear that I hit (on the nose) a sensitive spot. Bureaucratic language of the above answer by Jon Ericson is reason enough for this question to have weight. The system is flawed and the administration knows that and lives with it." CreationDate="2015-04-22T15:17:49.353" UserId="57930" />
  <row Id="10349" PostId="2227" Score="0" Text="In the post in question I answered the question and gave the only known way of doing a Mandelbrot set iterated function system as a Mathematica program. If the moderator has problems with format, fine, but the answer is correct. I'm still working on a better way,but no one has developed one as far as I know in the fractals community. To have a moonshine type delete my answer is itself moonshine. So I asked the question." CreationDate="2015-04-22T15:20:29.283" UserId="57930" />
  <row Id="10352" PostId="2227" Score="6" Text="@RogerBagula: Yes the system is flawed. _Every system_ is flawed, particularly when people are involved. I'm not apologizing for the system; I'm just trying to help you understand how it works. It's important to understand (typically before accusing moderators of wrongdoing) that answers _must directly answer the question_. This is an important feature of a Question &amp; Answer site in our collective opinion. (You might be interested in reading &quot;[Stack Overflow: Where We Hate Fun](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/01/stack-overflow-where-we-hate-fun/)&quot;.)" CreationDate="2015-04-22T15:35:25.173" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="10353" PostId="2227" Score="7" Text="@RogerBagula You wrote three posts on September 9, 2014. Which of those do you believe answers the question, which asked for an iterated function system for the Mandelbrot set? The last answer you gave (time-stamped 21:34) does not provide such an IFS, and so does not answer the question asked but talks about something else." CreationDate="2015-04-22T17:48:50.860" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10354" PostId="2227" Score="10" Text="Speaking more generally: mistakes are made on occasion. Now I am not claiming that a mistake was made by a moderator here, but if you feel a mistake was made and you would like your answer undeleted, you can open a post at MO meta and present your case as mathematics. Your ad hominem attacks against others may make it harder for others to summon good will towards you and your concern, but I'd say it's your best shot. Just stick to the mathematics and explain how you have in fact answered the question asked." CreationDate="2015-04-22T17:58:17.030" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10360" PostId="2227" Score="0" Text="Todd Trimble: do you really care about the Mandelbrot set and an IFS set for the border of that set? The paper in the last post discusses the Mandelbrot set border dimension as being dimension 2:space filling, In IFS terms space filling curves are very specific about how the transforms add up in their Moran dimension. So the quest for a IFS Mandelbrot set has to take that fundamental paper into account." CreationDate="2015-04-23T15:22:41.637" UserId="57930" />
  <row Id="10368" PostId="2227" Score="6" Text="@RogerBagula It is irrelevant whether 'I care'. This is all about *your* complaint. If you care either about getting your posts undeleted or understanding why they were deleted, then consider my advice to open a new post on meta. But to repeat something already said: the usual rule is that answers should *directly answer the question*: it's often not enough just to say something that seems sort of relevant but falls short of actually definitively answering. (Sometimes that's OK, especially if it goes a long way towards settling the question, but such things are decided case by case.)" CreationDate="2015-04-23T17:25:55.983" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10369" PostId="2227" Score="11" Text="Your last comment by the way already sounds more mathematical and to the point than the first two sentences of the 21:34 post, which talk about how experienced you are and how some papers are regarded as 'jokes', or how some paper is practically impossible for you to understand. If you would like to participate at MO, I would urge you to prune out such stuff which is not at all helpful in terms of addressing the question." CreationDate="2015-04-23T17:31:51.223" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10341" PostId="2229" Score="1" Text="I'm turning this into CW now." CreationDate="2015-04-21T19:19:52.360" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10343" PostId="2229" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble, thanks! In the future, should I flag any CW question that has non-CW answers to make the thread uniformly CW?" CreationDate="2015-04-21T19:25:03.103" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10345" PostId="2229" Score="1" Text="Yes, please flag, although I really think these should be examined on a case-by-case basis. There may be (rare) exceptions to a general rule of uniformity." CreationDate="2015-04-21T19:48:19.053" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10337" PostId="2230" Score="0" Text="I had no idea it made a difference whether it was the OP or a moderator that turned the question CW. I see now that the rest of the answers to the linked question were posted after the question turned CW. My guess was that editing answers at the wrong time caused this, but maybe this was not the case." CreationDate="2015-04-21T19:02:36.683" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10339" PostId="2230" Score="0" Text="The editing is not relevant (I will add this in the post). A user turning question into CW only had an effect on future answers, not existing ones, and this is what happened in this case. (Certain legacy forms of auto-CW-ing  after too many edits might have had the same effect.)" CreationDate="2015-04-21T19:10:29.867" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10342" PostId="2230" Score="0" Text="Thanks! Do you know if all these properties of CW posts are documented somewhere? The situation is a bit confusing, especially due to features varying in time." CreationDate="2015-04-21T19:20:59.737" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10344" PostId="2230" Score="1" Text="A good source of information is normally the relvant [meta.se] FAQ in this case http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11740/what-are-community-wiki-posts There it is also possible, albeit not convenient, to trace the developpment over time checking the revisions of the post. See for example for some info supporting what I said http://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/11741/4 [Note however that the timeline of changes for MO is different as for yearse MO ran on a &quot;frozen&quot; version of the software.]" CreationDate="2015-04-21T19:31:01.453" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10357" PostId="2232" Score="1" Text="The motivation for this post is a recent post on [Community-user deletions](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2216/a-spate-of-deletions-by-community) that raised some questions that I asked myself, too. To be clear, I am mainly curious of understand if those that used to vote to delete but do not anymore, do so because they see no need or only because they feel it is pointless as subjectively &quot;no-one else does.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-23T12:26:21.957" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10358" PostId="2232" Score="5" Text="Just as a data point, I stopped voting to delete for exactly your two reasons: because the system seems to do so automatically, and no on else seems to." CreationDate="2015-04-23T13:02:58.870" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="10359" PostId="2232" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the data point, @Lucia // I included some remark on what gets auto-deleted and what does not get auto-deleted while it would have been deleted under the &quot;old&quot; system." CreationDate="2015-04-23T13:20:45.813" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10407" PostId="2232" Score="6" Text="My opinion is that there is altogether too much concern with closing and deleting questions. What I regret more is when an interesting question is closed, than when an uninteresting question is ignored." CreationDate="2015-04-26T20:37:06.860" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="10408" PostId="2232" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins I partially agree in that I think there is an over-emphasis on closing over numerous others tasks related to community-moderation and maintenance and perhaps development of the site that would be useful to be done. By and large I also stopped doing any of them, so I better shut-up about it." CreationDate="2015-04-26T21:18:36.353" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10373" PostId="2234" Score="4" Text="Thank you for your opinion; it could be still more useful if you could add why or in which way the situation is better." CreationDate="2015-04-23T18:20:17.803" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10379" PostId="2234" Score="3" Text="I agree with Gil that &quot;automatic deletion and no manual deletion is better than it used to be in the manual deletions era&quot;.  I do not see why &quot;it is also better to avoid practicing manual deletion on top of the automatic one&quot;.  Why is this so, Gil? The only reason I can see is that, as a responsible 10K user, I should think about voting to delete a bad post if I have that &quot;power&quot;. Fortunately, I am not that responsible, so it does not bother me.  You, on the other hand, are very responsible and approaching 10K &quot;status&quot;, so maybe it bothers you..." CreationDate="2015-04-24T00:34:19.053" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="10380" PostId="2234" Score="1" Text="@Bill, I believe that Gil has been over 10K and back several times, on account of bounties that he has given on his own and other's questions." CreationDate="2015-04-24T13:12:39.107" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="10381" PostId="2234" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins This is true (and the rep-recalc also plays a role in him being below 10k+ at the moment).  However, it seems to me, this is a quite tangential aspect of Bill Johnson's remark." CreationDate="2015-04-24T13:36:54.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10382" PostId="2234" Score="1" Text="Thank you for taking the time to elaborate, I agree that the current situation has the advantage of avoiding some conflicts, which while more rare in later days still occured sometimes. It is also true that not doing manual deletions saves some time (although one could still benefit from auto-del and only consider questions past the first, or second, auto-del time for manual deletion). However, I also think that some questions do not get deleted that should better be deleted, in that sense I cannot agree fully that there would be &quot;no good purpose;&quot; yet the benefit might indeed be (too?) small." CreationDate="2015-04-24T13:47:38.230" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10383" PostId="2234" Score="0" Text="Anyway, the question was neutral and curiosity-motivated  so if somebody supports a policy that we should restart manual deletions, I suppose that he should advocate this position in a separate answer." CreationDate="2015-04-24T15:28:57.467" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10384" PostId="2234" Score="0" Text="Indeed, as the questions was neutral there seems little need for slightly loaded language like &quot;waste of time&quot; and &quot;no good purpose.&quot; (Personally, I am actually not sure what is the best way to proceed. However, I sense that you do not wish to further dicuss the subject so thanks again for your opinion.)" CreationDate="2015-04-24T16:05:50.923" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10388" PostId="2234" Score="5" Text="I don’t think this is a question of policy. The infrastructure is there, and it’s not as if we can *force* anyone to actively use it. As far as I can tell, “restart manual deletions” just means “bring the problem to light to encourage people do it more”." CreationDate="2015-04-24T17:52:30.830" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10392" PostId="2234" Score="2" Text="Dear Emil, It is a policy question: do we want to &quot;encourage people to do it more&quot; or do we want &quot;not to encourage people to do it more&quot;. Dear quid, I formulated now my position as mallow as I can. Generally speaking, perhaps unlike Bill, I regard the responsible approach of a professional academics to be &quot;to avoid as much as possible getting involved in non-crucial administrative jobs.&quot; And making a second round (after the automatic system) of decisions if a closed MO question is 6-rate (so it should be left closed) or 7-rate (so it should be deleted) is not crucial to say the least." CreationDate="2015-04-25T17:28:05.403" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10393" PostId="2234" Score="2" Text="In addition, administrative decisions of this kind (as other decisions) can occasionally deteriorate into small struggles. Another general point which applies to deleting problems as to other more important matters (and it is difficult to think about less important matters) is that there is a tension between &quot;cleanliness&quot; and &quot;tolerance&quot; and I don't see why it is necessary to make sure that MO is cleaned from all bad question." CreationDate="2015-04-25T17:37:07.320" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10394" PostId="2234" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the reformulation.  A point you seem  to put aside, though this should be largely my fault as I did not stress it in the question, is that the manual process included manual/human *oversight* over what does get deleted (and maybe should not).  Trying to be a professional academic, I should better finish something else first. But I will try to give some example of what I mean later." CreationDate="2015-04-25T18:19:12.483" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10390" PostId="2235" Score="7" Text="There is also http://scicomp.stackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2015-04-25T09:02:30.257" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="10391" PostId="2235" Score="1" Text="How is that supposed to work alongside with MO and SO?" CreationDate="2015-04-25T09:25:20.877" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="10395" PostId="2237" Score="0" Text="Hey @quid , thanks for the response! I agree that theoretically we should have the two aspects of Numerical Analysis in two different websites, but it is the same community that deals with both on a daily basis. You don't want to keep them away from the Matlab/R/C/fortrun experts, but, you don't want them too far from the analysis experts. Scicomp, in that sense, might just all the more isolate them and create yet a third community." CreationDate="2015-04-25T18:47:38.313" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="10396" PostId="2237" Score="2" Text="You are welcome. I do not understand what problem you want to solve, or think would be solved, by what you propose. Can you perhaps  give some examples of questions that you think are on-topic on MO *and* SO at the same time?" CreationDate="2015-04-25T19:14:07.810" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10397" PostId="2238" Score="1" Text="I apologize in case the authors' of the quoted posts should be unhappy with them being used as examples (I do not link or give names on purpose). This goes especially for Q1. Let me stress it was a &quot;first question&quot; and I do not see much problem with it being asked, and perhaps even answered, but maybe we do not need to keep it forever." CreationDate="2015-04-25T22:37:54.757" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10398" PostId="2238" Score="2" Text="Good example.  I cast the third vote to undelete." CreationDate="2015-04-25T23:20:00.720" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="10399" PostId="2238" Score="0" Text="Maybe it's worth exploring if the auto delete criteria can be adjusted a bit?  E.g. by not deleting any question that has no downvotes, even if it hasn't attracted interest yet.  Or alternatively, to make sure that the deletion protocol becomes widely known so that people vote questions up a little more generously than seems currently to be the case." CreationDate="2015-04-25T23:24:53.323" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="10400" PostId="2238" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the vote @Lucia. On the script: I agree that it might make sense to see if something can be done to adapt the 365-days script. I think it is not well-tuned  for highly specialized mid-sized sites such as MO. For the large ones it seems necessary and for the small ones it will rarely cause an issue, but in the middle it is not so great. (I will check if I find earlier discussions on [meta.se])" CreationDate="2015-04-25T23:39:10.463" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10401" PostId="2238" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the examples, Quid. Can you add links to the two questions? Certainly Q2 should be undeleted. Was it closed? Can it be automatically deleted without being closed earlier? Certainly, when questions are closed by mistake and then deleted I support undeleteing and unclosing them. In any case the automatic deletion should NOT apply to open questions." CreationDate="2015-04-26T04:45:33.920" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10402" PostId="2238" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai Details of automatic deletion can be found [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/92006). It is _very rare_ for postively-scored questions to be automatically deleted, though there are circumstances where open but non-positively-scored questions can be deleted. For negatively-scored, unanswered questions it can happen after 30 days. For zero-scored (or 1-scored if the owner is deleted), unanswered (and essentially &quot;forgotten&quot;) questions it can only happen after 365 days. So if you see a question that you think should remain on the site, upvote it." CreationDate="2015-04-26T07:17:10.710" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="10403" PostId="2238" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai I explained why I did not really want to link, but the situation  *now is reversed* anyway as my post got the votes (see earlier comments): but here are the links [Q1](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/162314/) [10k+] and [Q2](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/163874/) No, Q2 was not closed, in fact this was mentioned in my hint. I added some more details on auto-del in my post (the summary I gave was not so good) in addition to the link I had given, explaining the rules. Open question do get deleted, even *open question that were never down-voted.*" CreationDate="2015-04-26T08:29:45.697" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10404" PostId="2238" Score="0" Text="In case that somebody notice an unjustified automatic deletion I suppose he can post a request to undelete  as an answer to &quot;Requests for reopen votes&quot;. Other than that, as I said,  I see no reasons now for manual deletions." CreationDate="2015-04-26T16:24:46.440" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10405" PostId="2238" Score="3" Text="@GilKalai very well. Only, for somebody  to notice, somebody has to look through the lists on the deletion page (else one hardly will notice). Whether or not users should feel some motivation to do this is a main point of the discussion. On the other point: you might not know, but there is a dedicated list of undelete votes cast, to manually repost the votes would simply duplicate something that exists and is automatically updated. Better let us not invent a 2nd layer of bureaucracy.  (Also, questions like the one above getting deleted is rather frequent.)" CreationDate="2015-04-26T17:40:33.663" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10417" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="Also on meta..." CreationDate="2015-04-28T16:56:34.497" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10418" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: Right, that was a bad choice of a word. I meant the default page with the list of questions, as opposed to e.g. http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/bug , where the tabs display OK. Also, I should note that the bug is MO-specific, it doesn’t affect other SE sites." CreationDate="2015-04-28T17:15:01.580" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10419" PostId="2242" Score="2" Text="The problem seems gone. (I had it, and now it is fine again.)" CreationDate="2015-04-28T17:53:11.897" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10427" PostId="2243" Score="0" Text="It's happening again! D:" CreationDate="2015-04-29T22:16:24.603" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10428" PostId="2243" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila A fix is rolling out now. Sorry 'bout that." CreationDate="2015-04-29T22:17:06.803" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="10429" PostId="2243" Score="1" Text="Thanks. It's better again. I suddenly thought that you guys switched to the new and improved Hitchhiker's Guide. Because it seemed that the tabs on the front page just read &quot;**P A N I C**&quot; :-)" CreationDate="2015-04-29T22:24:35.380" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10430" PostId="2243" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Do you know where your towel is?" CreationDate="2015-04-29T22:27:12.043" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="10431" PostId="2243" Score="0" Text="Of course. In my backpack I always carry a small towel, just in case." CreationDate="2015-04-29T22:31:35.440" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10421" PostId="2244" Score="2" Text="Just comment somewhere where they'd be notified, and it is not too intrusive, such as http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2235/numerical-analysis-so-vs-mo I am rather against arbitrarily undoing self-deletions (even though the current case seems relatively non-problematic)." CreationDate="2015-04-29T14:34:46.717" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10422" PostId="2244" Score="2" Text="I have left a comment at that post linking to this meta post. The author seems to tune into MO with some regularity, and so should see this note soon." CreationDate="2015-04-29T15:42:54.880" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10423" PostId="2244" Score="0" Text="@quid Thanks, but I don't know where to comment since I cannot see (and don't recall) who the author is.  I am indeed hoping the author will see this and undo it." CreationDate="2015-04-29T16:36:34.477" UserId="20507" />
  <row Id="10424" PostId="2244" Score="0" Text="Yes, I understood this as a possibility, which is why I gave you a link where you could comment (perhaps I did not make this quite clear though, sorry about that). OP of the meta post I linked, is OP of the question you linked." CreationDate="2015-04-29T16:45:19.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10425" PostId="2244" Score="1" Text="Well, I'm curious to know more - it's open to the public again." CreationDate="2015-04-29T20:08:52.467" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="10426" PostId="2244" Score="0" Text="Would you not close it, if it was found out that the answer is on Wiki?" CreationDate="2015-04-29T20:09:14.517" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="10432" PostId="2245" Score="4" Text="Just a practical remark: after undeleting such posts it can be useful to try to make sure that the post  stops fulfilling the auto-delete criteria (often an up-vote suffices). If not they will just be deleted *again* after a few days." CreationDate="2015-05-01T16:21:28.423" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10433" PostId="2245" Score="1" Text="@quid:  That's a good point.  And one more practical note -- those who wish to look at the deleted posts can quickly skim for posts that were not closed but yet deleted.  This is quite rapid, and I am inclined on principle to vote to undelete any such question." CreationDate="2015-05-01T16:24:27.170" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="10435" PostId="2245" Score="0" Text="&quot;the list of recently deleted questions&quot;: How does one access this list?" CreationDate="2015-05-02T12:26:47.920" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10436" PostId="2245" Score="3" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: From the main site click the 'review' link on the toolbar, and then click the 'Tools' link.  From there check in the 'delete' tab, and you can see both the questions which people have voted recently to undelete (and those that were undeleted), and also the questions that have been recently deleted." CreationDate="2015-05-02T15:29:37.030" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="10437" PostId="2247" Score="0" Text="Also: wait 7 days before migrating.  Who knows, maybe you will get an answer there?" CreationDate="2015-05-04T13:58:53.390" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="10438" PostId="2247" Score="0" Text="What do you mean by : manifold learning or manifold regularization." CreationDate="2015-05-04T19:44:33.780" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10439" PostId="2247" Score="1" Text="@GilKalai that is not an easy thing to address in a comment section in a MO forum. I's suggest reading the slides and papers on the following webpage: http://www.mit.edu/~9.520/fall14/Classes/manifold.html" CreationDate="2015-05-04T20:18:28.920" UserId="38475" />
  <row Id="10440" PostId="2247" Score="4" Text="Hi Charlie, you should explain these notions in your question whether on CS theory or on MO overflow." CreationDate="2015-05-04T21:20:56.957" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10449" PostId="2247" Score="0" Text="The e question as stated would only be appropriate in a machine learning forum, not in MO or CS Theory... You have to give much more background." CreationDate="2015-05-09T21:06:17.597" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="10450" PostId="2247" Score="0" Text="@DimaPasechnik do you mind expanding on what background I need to give? Its not clear to me any background is needed (though I might be wrong). Is the kind of background needed is to explain what manifolds are? Or is the background needed to expand what provable guarantees are? Either should be known by professionals in this field...or am I wrong? Thanks for your help Dima. :)" CreationDate="2015-05-09T23:45:04.193" UserId="38475" />
  <row Id="10452" PostId="2247" Score="0" Text="surely manifolds (smooth? topological?) are well-known to professionals, but manifold learning/regularisation certainly are not." CreationDate="2015-05-10T05:50:54.347" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="10441" PostId="2250" Score="2" Text="I do not think I am the right person to own an Algebraic Geometry chatroom. To begin with I am not an algebraic geometer." CreationDate="2015-05-07T17:18:35.283" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="10442" PostId="2250" Score="0" Text="@DenisNardin The only reason why I suggested this was because you had put forward the idea to me in the first place. I can remove that from my post above." CreationDate="2015-05-07T17:19:18.770" UserId="21278" />
  <row Id="10443" PostId="2250" Score="3" Text="There is also a [dedicated thread](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/355/specialized-chat-rooms) for basically this type of information" CreationDate="2015-05-07T18:25:07.247" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10448" PostId="2253" Score="4" Text="[This meta thread](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1967/interesting-and-not-sufficiently-answered-questions-on-math-se) might be an intermediate solution, before moving the question to MO." CreationDate="2015-05-09T07:42:53.430" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10451" PostId="2253" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your generous help!" CreationDate="2015-05-10T03:57:12.340" UserId="73487" />
  <row Id="10453" PostId="2253" Score="2" Text="You could also try answering a few questions on math.se to build up enough rep to offer a bounty." CreationDate="2015-05-11T11:44:44.487" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="10461" PostId="2253" Score="0" Text="According to the description of MO, if a question is not on professional level then it is not suited for MO." CreationDate="2015-05-19T21:05:38.570" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="10454" PostId="2260" Score="8" Text="If you find a wrong edit, revert it. -- Besides, I think the suggested edits review queue is geared too much towards acceptance of edits." CreationDate="2015-05-15T20:27:48.623" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10455" PostId="2262" Score="0" Text="Possibly it would have been better to ask this at http://meta.stackexchange.com.  Is it possible to migrate the question, or should I simply ask there, too?" CreationDate="2015-05-16T20:38:24.797" UserId="3032" />
  <row Id="10456" PostId="2262" Score="0" Text="It would be possible to migrate it (via flagging for moderators), but if you decide to ask it there I'd just do the simple thing and re-ask (and  delete this one, or just add links).  I agree you might get an answer there more easily, however I recommend to explain very clearly what you are taking about and in particular to stress that this feature exists on MO and some other (science) sites, yet not everywhere. (Else the SO-crowd could be confused as there and on plenty other sites the feature does not exist.)" CreationDate="2015-05-16T21:10:17.223" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10457" PostId="2262" Score="3" Text="There is something related we're looking into right now. In a plausible future, we may be able to generate DOIs for archived questions. It will then be easy to generate the bibtex you want via [DOI content negotiation](http://www.crosscite.org/cn/). Also check out the [answers here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1631/formatting-a-citation-to-a-mathoverflow-answer/1655#1655) to resolve issues with the bibtex currently generated by the cite button." CreationDate="2015-05-17T02:34:21.497" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="10460" PostId="2262" Score="7" Text="This question was cross-posted, and answered, at both [Meta Stack Exchange (256587)](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/256587/how-to-obtain-the-bibtex-item-for-a-question-with-a-program-or-http-request) and [Stack Apps (6331)](http://stackapps.com/questions/6331/how-to-obtain-the-bibtex-item-for-a-question-with-a-program-or-http-request)." CreationDate="2015-05-17T10:45:14.350" UserId="73775" />
  <row Id="10462" PostId="2262" Score="0" Text="@BrockAdams did you want to expand this comment into an answer?" CreationDate="2015-05-20T03:16:10.117" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10463" PostId="2262" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts, go ahead if you want to.  It seems wasteful to me to have it asked and answered in 3 different places. I was wondering if some closing/migration might occur." CreationDate="2015-05-20T03:35:56.143" UserId="73775" />
  <row Id="10464" PostId="2262" Score="0" Text="@MartinRubey you can accept the answer here, for the sake of preventing the system complaining." CreationDate="2015-05-20T07:08:38.340" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10465" PostId="2262" Score="0" Text="@BrockAdams only pointing people to the other answer, for the sake of closing this question." CreationDate="2015-05-20T07:08:56.807" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10467" PostId="2265" Score="0" Text="I sent this to the mathoverflow help." CreationDate="2015-05-21T04:14:17.460" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="10468" PostId="2265" Score="1" Text="If you mean that you have two accounts and want to merge them, see this: http://mathoverflow.net/help/merging-accounts" CreationDate="2015-05-21T05:00:42.090" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10479" PostId="2266" Score="0" Text="[The question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/207202/how-to-find-an-ode-with-prescribed-terminal-values) is re-reopened." CreationDate="2015-05-22T12:41:25.307" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10475" PostId="2267" Score="0" Text="I had voted to close the question (the original form, which was quite different) *but* did *not* vote to migrate. (Though I likely should have handled this differently than only casting a vote. But I was a but rushed.)" CreationDate="2015-05-21T23:10:30.200" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10483" PostId="2271" Score="3" Text="Occasionally someone will make a note of developments here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/617/best-of-mathoverflow" CreationDate="2015-05-23T19:49:55.820" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10484" PostId="2271" Score="4" Text="If a question or an answer at MO leads to new research, I think it's ok to add a short note about it. The note does provide useful context information about the question or answer, even though it did not exist at the time the post was originally written. Such notes would hardly produce a flood of disturbing meta information on the site. The meta post linked to by Todd is also a good place, but people reading a post at main are unlikely to go look at the meta post to see if it lead to published results. You could perhaps give a more detailed account at meta and provide a link to it." CreationDate="2015-05-23T20:20:16.570" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10486" PostId="2271" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Yes I've probably seen that thing there. Still I think it is not an entirely convenient way to do it - one must scroll the entire page to look for something that most likely is not there. Also, why one of many meta-questions? It is a separate topic..." CreationDate="2015-05-24T07:38:34.530" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="10487" PostId="2271" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Yes something like this. But, the same - one among many meta questions does not seem to be an appropriate place for that. And where to place a link? In a comment? Or in a separate answer?" CreationDate="2015-05-24T07:41:31.273" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="10489" PostId="2271" Score="2" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე, I think it is best to edit the original question or answer to add the link, not to post a new comment or answer. I think the most natural place for such bits of information is within the relevant post itself. I have nothing against short added notes like this: &quot;Note added later: This question/answer lead to an article by Tim and Jim (arXiv or journal reference). See this meta question for more details.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-05-24T10:28:47.687" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10490" PostId="2271" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Yes I agree - at least it would suffice for an interested reader. On the other hand, this is not frequently done, is it? And maybe it would happen more often if there would be a separate slot on the page for such kind of information." CreationDate="2015-05-24T11:02:54.343" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="10491" PostId="2271" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე, no, it's not frequently done, but I would like to see more of it. I doubt there will be a separate slot for it, so the best course of action I can think of is to start doing so and initiate a culture of sharing follow-up content outside MO. I don't think there is enough to gain by making a separate slot as opposed to adding notes to existing posts to make SE willing to implement a new feature, but I could be wrong." CreationDate="2015-05-24T13:25:06.407" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10492" PostId="2271" Score="0" Text="Whether a user is still active or not typically can be seen on their user page, as it has a  &quot;seen.&quot; When this says &quot;3 hours ago&quot; chances are they will come back soon, when it says &quot;March 12th, 2012&quot; then chances are slim." CreationDate="2015-05-24T13:45:28.707" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10485" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="I once suggested a format for including social networking data in one's MathOverflow user page, to improve web searches on this public user data.  It strikes me as reasonable to put links there as well, and if you are actively researching something directly related to a question, you could place a link in a comment to that question to your MathOverflow user page.  If all active MathOverflow users made their &quot;Interested and Researching&quot; (not just &quot;favorite&quot;) questions public this way, I think that would be a most valuable feature.  Gerhard &quot;More Where That Came From&quot; Paseman, 2015.05.23" CreationDate="2015-05-23T23:34:45.987" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10488" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="Well not everybody has access to free or even cheap web space without tons of ads. Also, it does not seem right to me that everybody who wants to supply update information about a question/answer should create a separate webpage for that purpose." CreationDate="2015-05-24T07:44:49.893" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="10493" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="Just recently several users seemed in horror about the idea of &quot;social networking data&quot; being present on user pages. Incidentally, I had the impression you were among them; but perhaps I misunderstood that. I wondered already about this at that time, as I recalled your initiative related to this, but thought you had changed you mind (as quite some time had passed).  Could you clarify your stance on this?" CreationDate="2015-05-24T13:49:23.187" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10512" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="@quid, I'm afraid I missed the recent horror story.  My 3206 page has the data I want to be public.  Everyone who wants to not make their interests public/easily accessible may refrain; I think those confident enough to share their interests get more reward than ruin for doing so.  If you were interested in the distribution of totatives, I'd be willing to share some questions with you that I think are not quite ready for MathOverflow primetime.  I see other benefits from amateur/professional collaborations.  Gerhard &quot;Will Socialize At A Distance&quot; Paseman, 2015.05.25" CreationDate="2015-05-25T22:41:37.580" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10513" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="To be clear, I think people who expose themselves personally online run a risk of being taken advantage.  It is possible the same risk holds for academics who reveal details on their professional interests.  However, I am not an academic, and I don't mind letting people know some more detail on my mathematical activity.  I also think having MathOverflow members share more of their professional interests will benefit science as well as them.  The only downside I see is it may interfere with some people's tenure track plans.  Gerhard &quot;Just Guessing About The Downside&quot; Paseman, 2015.05.25" CreationDate="2015-05-25T22:47:46.713" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10514" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="So I take it you are also looking forward to MO getting  new user pages with slightly more space for sharing such information. That'd be great. I thought you did not like them." CreationDate="2015-05-25T22:50:50.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10515" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე (hey , that worked!  Hooray cut and paste!)  There are many possibilities for putting up scientific web pages with few or no ads.  You can take the route I have, and use the MathOverflow user page and ArXiv to present such information in an ad-free environment.  If you have academic resources, some of them will host web pages, and some nice academics will host them for you, assuming minimal administrative overhead.  Gerhard &quot;Let's Be In This Together&quot; Paseman, 2015.05.25" CreationDate="2015-05-25T22:53:11.967" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10516" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="@quid: ah, THAT horror.  More user space good.  &quot;People reached&quot;, not so much.  I have mixed feelings about the suggested user page change, but not so mixed as my original feelings about the 2.0 migration.  If they make the user style opt - in  and allow the old style, I don't mind it as much.  Gerhard &quot;Really, 'Views Logged' Much Better&quot; Paseman, 2015.05.25" CreationDate="2015-05-25T22:56:52.583" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10517" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="Okay. Let us not continue that quibble then :) (BTW *originally* it was even &quot;people helped&quot; or something like that.) If you want to chat about math: I hang out in various of the chat rooms. (Not right now as I should do something but in general; well actually I am there but do not intend to talk.)" CreationDate="2015-05-25T23:04:36.237" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10495" PostId="2274" Score="5" Text="Personally I think it's a very bad idea. Deleted answers are still visible to those with 10k+ points and they clutter up the space." CreationDate="2015-05-24T16:40:33.503" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10496" PostId="2274" Score="0" Text="&quot;I guess that this happens whenever somebody deletes his/her answer.&quot; This should be by-and-large a misconception. (Could you link some examples where you suspect this?) Reopening of a questions bumps it. If the last activity is by a high-rep user chances are it was this. Also, &quot;comments as answer&quot; or &quot;spam&quot;-answers that are then deleted happen with quite some frequency. By contrast what you describe is something I would have not recollection seeing it." CreationDate="2015-05-24T16:45:07.937" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10497" PostId="2274" Score="7" Text="Bringing more attention to a question which has not yet been sufficiently answered seems to be what [bounties](http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/set-bounties) are meant for." CreationDate="2015-05-24T17:23:29.820" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="10498" PostId="2274" Score="0" Text="@quid  I noticed it at http://mathoverflow.net/questions/187854/simplest-form-for-sum-of-binomial-expressions." CreationDate="2015-05-24T17:29:16.887" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="10500" PostId="2274" Score="2" Text="Thanks. That's still something else, but still no individuals activity. It was &quot;poked&quot; by [Community](http://mathoverflow.net/users/-1/community). Certain types of questions are activated to give them visibility by this process (roughly, questions that have an answer that is not upvoted  or accepted). If you see a question with last activity &quot;Community&quot; it is normally this. It is indeed just a reactivation and done automatically." CreationDate="2015-05-24T17:44:32.410" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10502" PostId="2274" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: By the way -- are also deleted comments still visible for someone? -- If yes, for similar reasons one probably shouldn't too often repost comments to fix typo's etc. (otherwise avoiding such reposts is probably pointless)." CreationDate="2015-05-24T22:46:15.950" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10504" PostId="2274" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl No, deleted comments are invisible to all but site mods (or SE staff)." CreationDate="2015-05-24T22:57:34.273" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10505" PostId="2274" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: So you can see them?" CreationDate="2015-05-24T23:01:28.547" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10506" PostId="2274" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl Yes, there's a functionality where I can see them if I want. But being able to see deleted comments is just part of the job (and on the scale of deleted comments, those due to typos are among the least unattractive). On the other hand, site mods can edit user comments, and I usually correct typos in comments if and when I notice them." CreationDate="2015-05-24T23:06:39.197" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10519" PostId="2274" Score="0" Text="This is related to the first part of your post (about bumping without any visible activity): http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1636/modified-by-community" CreationDate="2015-05-29T04:26:54.513" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="10499" PostId="2275" Score="0" Text="Yes I agree. What I have noticed though is that sometimes, **very old questions** (say from 2009 or 2010) that have never been answered can get interesting answers after being bumped, simply because many users weren't yet around in those ancient times. :-)" CreationDate="2015-05-24T17:35:16.763" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="10501" PostId="2276" Score="15" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/207477/john-nashs-legacy" CreationDate="2015-05-24T18:20:24.193" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10503" PostId="2276" Score="11" Text="Fate can be cruel but let us thank Her for allowing Nash to collect his Abel prize in May 2015, two months before his death." CreationDate="2015-05-24T22:54:50.293" UserId="450" />
  <row Id="10508" PostId="2276" Score="5" Text="How do you count two months?" CreationDate="2015-05-25T14:02:52.237" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="10511" PostId="2276" Score="7" Text="Nash's Abel prize was indeed officially awarded in Oslo on May 19th, but already announced on March 25th by the Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters: apologies for inaccurately expressing myself. I meant that it is a consolation that  Nash was permitted to live through both these days." CreationDate="2015-05-25T15:15:14.567" UserId="450" />
  <row Id="10518" PostId="2276" Score="10" Text="But the terribly sad irony is that he was killed in a taxi crash returning from the airport on his way home after the Abel Prize award ceremonies." CreationDate="2015-05-28T09:15:54.833" UserId="14450" />
  <row Id="10529" PostId="2276" Score="2" Text="I am very pleased to know that a mathematician did fight mental problems,won the fight and won the Abel prize.This is the best thing to remember from him.Feel happy because he lived.Not sad because he died." CreationDate="2015-06-06T10:17:04.343" UserId="38851" />
  <row Id="10520" PostId="2279" Score="1" Text="What does &quot;parabolically&quot; mean?" CreationDate="2015-05-29T16:52:42.543" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="10521" PostId="2279" Score="3" Text="@Lucia, my first intuition was that it refers to infinite speed of propagation (which may be a good description of internet discussions), but on a second thought I think it refers to the parable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable" CreationDate="2015-05-29T17:07:55.747" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10523" PostId="2279" Score="14" Text="Doesn't seem like an allegory or a parable to me.  My guess is that the intended word was &quot;hypothetically&quot;.  Anyway, an interesting word parabolically, since it does make some sense to use hyperbolically or elliptically, and now parabolically adds closure!" CreationDate="2015-05-29T17:15:26.770" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="10525" PostId="2279" Score="3" Text="By *up-votes* you probably means *score*, i.e. the difference between the number of up-votes and number of down-votes. The number of up-votes/down-votes is only shown to [users with 1k+ reputation](http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/established-user)." CreationDate="2015-06-01T04:34:36.823" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="10617" PostId="2279" Score="0" Text="In general I believe it is beneficial for everybody to have as much information as possible." CreationDate="2015-06-19T05:56:15.480" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="10637" PostId="2279" Score="0" Text="@მამუკა ჯიბლაძე, I'm mildly inclined to agree; the principal concern is whether the visible numbers are information or noise; if information, who holds the keys for decrypting it, et.c." CreationDate="2015-06-20T15:51:36.510" UserId="35529" />
  <row Id="10526" PostId="2286" Score="7" Text="You can always retract or even change your vote if anyone edits the post. If you misunderstood a question and downvoted it unnecessarily, you can edit the question to clarify it and then remove your vote." CreationDate="2015-06-04T13:30:04.597" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10546" PostId="2286" Score="2" Text="@Joonas I think we should be careful with this, unless the question clearly needs improvement.  Trivial edits clog the system enough already.  And lower rep users can only suggest edits." CreationDate="2015-06-10T09:33:41.297" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="13529" PostId="2286" Score="1" Text="This is also relevant for answers and comments, the latter cannot even be edited." CreationDate="2016-09-21T04:32:25.933" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13530" PostId="2287" Score="1" Text="This might work for some people but not for me. I don't like to unnecessarily make irrelevant edits (which are even impossible for comments) and I can't help it, but I'm a click and then read carefully type. Not to mention that sometimes a comment that appears later might point out a mistake in an answer/comment." CreationDate="2016-09-21T04:36:29.227" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="10527" PostId="2289" Score="0" Text="&quot;It seems rather easy once deciphered.&quot;-is it really that easy? If it is, please consider posting an answer to my next post to MSE (the link of the question will be given shortly). In case you don't want to write an answer, can you tell me the answer of the questions?" CreationDate="2015-06-05T02:47:09.883" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="10528" PostId="2289" Score="0" Text="Yes, I am active on math.SE and would answer it I notice it. But for now: $125$ and $4$ should be an example where 1 holds but 2 does not." CreationDate="2015-06-05T08:41:40.940" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="20099" PostId="2289" Score="0" Text="&quot;asking some hard questions about primes is no achievement&quot;---so what? How is that relevant to their suitability on MO? Asking some hard questions about motives is not always an achievement too." CreationDate="2019-05-20T07:38:03.217" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="10530" PostId="2290" Score="5" Text="Poll: Yes, I want the new vote controls at MO." CreationDate="2015-06-07T10:16:24.343" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10531" PostId="2290" Score="13" Text="Poll: No, I don't want the new vote controls at MO." CreationDate="2015-06-07T10:17:03.923" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10532" PostId="2290" Score="4" Text="Poll: I'm indifferent towards the change in voting." CreationDate="2015-06-07T10:17:41.043" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10533" PostId="2290" Score="5" Text="To make a poll about this already seems very premature, and a bad idea to me." CreationDate="2015-06-07T10:54:48.313" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10534" PostId="2290" Score="1" Text="@quid, it could be. My main question is the first paragraph, but I couldn't resist the temptation to ask for first impressions about the sticky voting tools. I'll make a little edit." CreationDate="2015-06-07T11:07:09.937" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="13536" PostId="2290" Score="0" Text="What the hell are sticky votes?" CreationDate="2016-09-21T06:56:12.567" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13537" PostId="2290" Score="1" Text="@domotorp, it means that the voting arrows stay in view when you scroll down a long question or answer. It allows you to vote easily when you have finished reading, without having to scroll back." CreationDate="2016-09-21T07:21:46.600" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10536" PostId="2291" Score="5" Text="Thanks. I did notice that it was on SO only, but I was wondering why it made a brief appearance at MO as well. I thought there had been some kind of a change from the original plan. Encouraging voting is always a good idea, and I don't have anything against the proposed system -- as long as it is consistent across the SE network." CreationDate="2015-06-07T11:12:40.753" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10537" PostId="2291" Score="0" Text="In general, I think SE tries to keep a consistent feel across the sites as much as possible. A reason why the testing might be restricted to SO is that the data is e meaningful that way. I continue to think that the poll is a bad idea." CreationDate="2015-06-07T13:43:58.463" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10539" PostId="2291" Score="9" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta There was a brief time when the experiment was active on all sites - this was quickly changed to SO only.  Sorry!" CreationDate="2015-06-08T20:27:57.337" UserId="35295" />
  <row Id="10540" PostId="2291" Score="1" Text="@JarrodDixon, no problem! Thanks for satisfying my curiosity!" CreationDate="2015-06-08T20:44:54.737" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10548" PostId="2295" Score="8" Text="You might want to include some detail on your setup (login-method, browser, OS) and what exactly happens. For me MO does not behave any differently from the several other SE sites I use (that is it does not log me out for random reasons except once in a blue moon maybe), and I do not think there is anything particularly different on MO as regards login. You could try (if you did not yet) to clean cache and see if it solves the thing." CreationDate="2015-06-12T12:16:16.807" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10549" PostId="2295" Score="1" Text="I had similar issues with both MO and MSE recently. On my Nexus phone and Windows 8.1 (32bit) tablet. Both issues stopped after sufficiently many attempts to clear cookies and clean up the cache. I couldn't pinpoint either the reason for the problem or the reason for it to solve itself." CreationDate="2015-06-12T15:09:44.080" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10561" PostId="2295" Score="2" Text="@quid I use Windows 7 with Internet Explorer, and I log in with my email address and Stack Exchange password. I can't recall the last time I ever got logged out of my other SE sites: math.se, chess.se, english.se, or scifi.se. (The scifi site for some reason I log into with gmail, that doesn't seem to make any difference.) For a long time MathOverflow acted the same way. A few weeks ago something happened and MO started logging me out unpredictably, at least I haven't found a pattern. Dunno about this cache-cleaning business. Cleared 1 cache, deleted temp files, maybe it helped some, not sure." CreationDate="2015-06-13T21:24:41.963" UserId="43266" />
  <row Id="16762" PostId="2295" Score="1" Text="As [mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/7/4), the sites with their own domains (such as stackoverflow, superuser) behave differently. (At least according to the linked post - I do not know whether the information is up to date.) Have you tried Todd Trimbles suggestion from the other post - to see what happens if you use other browser?" CreationDate="2018-07-20T07:04:11.107" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="10560" PostId="2298" Score="3" Text="I have no idea whether a not a reasonable question is hiding in there, but as things stand it is way too long.  Successful questions on MO tend to be succinct enough that an expert can immediately figure out whether or not they are interested.  If it requires a lot of work to just understand what you are asking, few people will do it." CreationDate="2015-06-13T19:38:33.523" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="10562" PostId="2298" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman : Thank you for the valueble feedback. I have to put the exact question succinctly in the first paragraph, draw a line, and then keep the current stuff (motivation/goal etc) later, explicitly saying that &quot;read further only if you re interested in the motivation and this is not really needed for answering the question&quot;. I am editing... (My main question is really not that long!)" CreationDate="2015-06-13T21:28:48.217" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10563" PostId="2298" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman : done editing." CreationDate="2015-06-13T21:58:47.883" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10565" PostId="2298" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman : Let me know how it sounds now." CreationDate="2015-06-14T07:04:19.267" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10793" PostId="2298" Score="0" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/a/210787/14414" CreationDate="2015-07-05T13:16:33.080" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10559" PostId="2301" Score="0" Text="I can't cut it short." CreationDate="2015-06-13T14:47:10.420" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10564" PostId="2301" Score="0" Text="I have edited to put the question straight forward at the top (self-contained) and pushed all the other motivation stuff to the bottom. The reader need not even go to the motivation unless he is curious. Please let me know how it sounds now?" CreationDate="2015-06-14T07:03:33.190" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10566" PostId="2301" Score="0" Text="@RajeshD, it looks much better now. The main question at the beginning has tolerable length and the long extra part is clearly marked." CreationDate="2015-06-14T10:41:03.410" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10757" PostId="2301" Score="0" Text="http://math.stackexchange.com/q/1348843/2987" CreationDate="2015-07-04T04:22:32.717" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10792" PostId="2301" Score="0" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/a/210787/14414" CreationDate="2015-07-05T13:16:23.947" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10567" PostId="2303" Score="6" Text="The question you refer to is not formulated as a mathematical question, and it is not clear to me what the precise question actually is -- &quot;similarity / dissimilarity&quot; of images is neither a standard mathematical term, nor is it defined in the question. To me the question looks like a kind of &quot;fishing expedition&quot;." CreationDate="2015-06-14T16:42:49.307" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10571" PostId="2303" Score="0" Text="@stefan yes including the question." CreationDate="2015-06-15T02:17:51.620" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10575" PostId="2303" Score="5" Text="if the question is focused onto the most common medical application, image alignment, then there is actually a quite sizable mathematics literature; here is an overview --- https://www.siam.org/meetings/op08/Modersitzki.pdf" CreationDate="2015-06-15T06:34:39.380" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="10580" PostId="2303" Score="3" Text="In addition, computer vision and [pattern theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_theory) do have a lot of underlying mathematical theory and have attracted some number of mathematicians. There are especially a lot of recent effort in applying differential/Riemannian/Finlerian geometrical techniques to the classification and similarity and dissimilarity between curves (e.g. [this recent review paper of Michor and Mumford](http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0605009)) and extension to higher dimensional objects (e.g. [this paper](http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11263-010-0323-0))...." CreationDate="2015-06-15T10:27:14.347" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="10582" PostId="2303" Score="8" Text="... In short, while there may be things wrong with the question (mostly having to do with imprecision of the phrasing), a generous interpretation of the question certainly can be about (not necessarily applied) mathematics. I should think the question maybe &quot;too broad&quot; or &quot;unclear&quot;, but until it narrows down I cannot justify it being &quot;off-topic&quot;." CreationDate="2015-06-15T10:30:18.630" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="10583" PostId="2303" Score="0" Text="@Willie : There is this thing especially about applied signal processing and computer vision problems is that there is a  considerable and non-trivial gap between the problem statement/application name (usually this is physical description of problem) and then the later one being a mathematical formulation of sub problems which could be probably solved by using mathematics. I mean to say, just modeling being allowed doesn't mean that one can ask &quot;I want to do alignment of medical images&quot;, as it is just a crude problem statement without any mathematical formulation." CreationDate="2015-06-15T10:36:08.423" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10572" PostId="2305" Score="6" Text="Sounds like a lot of unnecessary work for the mods." CreationDate="2015-06-15T02:53:28.030" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="10589" PostId="2305" Score="9" Text="Let me give a little advice: next time you mean to be helpful and have a project which involves work and input from the moderators, don't just take the liberty of getting it started -- *ask the moderators first*. You can do so by sending an email to the address moderators@mathoverflow.net." CreationDate="2015-06-15T11:54:44.557" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10606" PostId="2305" Score="1" Text="In case it might be somewhat relevant for this discussion, I will add link to [discussion on meta.math.SE](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/19265/should-we-have-messages-for-moderators-chatroom/) which preceded creation of the mentioned room. I will also point out that MO has a chat room called [MO editors' lounge](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/10243/mo-editors-lounge). Several experienced users visit this room often. I remember seeing also François G. Dorais in this room. Maybe other moderators check that room, too, if they see that there's some activity in it." CreationDate="2015-06-16T11:04:35.693" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="10607" PostId="2305" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks; that is helpful for setting context. However, I don't think MO has the type of problem you brought up which warrants the creation of a special chat room. We have flags, meta, and a moderator email which I believe work well for us, and speaking purely for myself I'd really rather not have to deal with chat. (I occasionally need to deal with an SE moderators' chat room called the Teachers' Lounge, if for example I am pinged by another SE moderator, but the place is waaaay too chatty for my taste, and when there I'm all business and get in and out as fast as possible.)" CreationDate="2015-06-16T12:17:23.667" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10573" PostId="2306" Score="1" Text="My cheesed-off reaction to this proposal is partly explained by this earlier post, for those who can see it: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2304/feature-request-mathoverflow-mods-office?noredirect=1#comment10569_2304" CreationDate="2015-06-15T03:11:22.027" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10574" PostId="2306" Score="2" Text="If this has already been requested and declined, maybe undelete the original request so people can point to it as a duplicate. (Might also prevent users from requesting it again.)" CreationDate="2015-06-15T05:29:42.320" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="10586" PostId="2306" Score="3" Text="@ArthurFischer It's not quite a duplicate. The user had created a MO Mods' Office chat room and announced that as a *fait accompli*, saying &quot;feel free to use it&quot;. If you or others still want to have that post undeleted, I suppose it could be done." CreationDate="2015-06-15T11:27:05.737" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10592" PostId="2306" Score="2" Text="I agree that the way it was propose is not good. But if you read more of the transcript I think you might change your opinion that it is only chit-chat. (The recent days are not really representative.) The one on [math.se] is quite low volume and the sigbal-to-noise ratio not too bad (for a chat-room)." CreationDate="2015-06-15T13:14:21.977" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10593" PostId="2306" Score="1" Text="@quid I didn't say 'only' chit-chat, did I? What I saw, which perhaps was not representative of the room as a whole, is that there was plenty of chatter. I really prefer not to have to be involved with such a thing; besides, I don't think it fits well with our trying to have a somewhat more professionally minded forum here." CreationDate="2015-06-15T14:05:19.577" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10595" PostId="2306" Score="1" Text="@quid: I guess this is partially my fault. But for what it's worth, there's a collective moderators email for MO which works perhaps even better in my eyes. I agree that sometimes it feels overly formal and detached, but I'd much rather have a list of emails of the MSE mods (which I sorta kinda have), and if I knew that I'd get a very quick response, I'd probably use that rather than the chat. So in this aspect there's really no need to have this chatroom for MO mods." CreationDate="2015-06-15T15:10:48.860" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10598" PostId="2306" Score="0" Text="I can corroborate your suspicions, that I had excellent feedback when it comes to the moderators email, and I think that the division of &quot;flag, email, meta&quot; is spot on. Probably better than &quot;flag, chat, meta&quot;." CreationDate="2015-06-15T21:54:49.970" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10599" PostId="2306" Score="2" Text="@Asaf thanks for assuming your share of the responsibility :-) But then it was I that  asked you first about onions and then about Hebrew. Anyway, at the end of the day I do not see a particular need for this room on MO either. However, the reasons for this (for which there are several, in part added by later edits) could have been presented in a non-dismissive way." CreationDate="2015-06-15T22:33:10.220" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10601" PostId="2306" Score="0" Text="@quid: I never shy away from an opportunity for off topic. Probably the most consistent negative feedback I get as a teacher (although, not entirely my fault; when I ask if everything is clear or are there any questions, and no one replies I tend to ask again, and then just to check if there are people in the class, ask if they have questions regarding some TV show or a movie or whisky related questions, and sometimes... we digress)." CreationDate="2015-06-15T22:36:05.113" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10577" PostId="2308" Score="3" Text="In this connection it might be instructive to consider the development of Compressed Sensing, and the role that Terence Tao played in this application of pure math to data analysis. Can you imagine that we would have closed this as &quot;off-topic&quot; for MO? --- https://terrytao.wordpress.com/tag/compressed-sensing/" CreationDate="2015-06-15T08:18:15.450" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="10578" PostId="2308" Score="3" Text="Why this strict dichotomy between &quot;modelling questions are on-topic on MO&quot; and &quot;modelling questions are off-topic on MO&quot;? -- Can't we say that particularly good such questions are welcome here, but we don't want a huge bulk of such questions -- in a similar way as with soft questions?" CreationDate="2015-06-15T08:42:26.073" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10579" PostId="2308" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl I see the dichotomy more as &quot;modelling questions are off-topic *per se*, in all cases, just because of what they are&quot; versus &quot;modelling questions are not forbidden, but of course they still have to satisfy the same criteria as the other questions to be acceptable, especially if they are 'soft questions' without a well-defined answer&quot;." CreationDate="2015-06-15T09:01:27.763" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="10591" PostId="2311" Score="3" Text="Is seems of some (limited) use on [math.se] and did not do any harm, as far as I can tell. It is not quite clear why you just dismiss the idea." CreationDate="2015-06-15T13:11:01.150" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10594" PostId="2311" Score="4" Text="@quid I don't plan to have a long back-and-forth about this, but since you look like you want to defend the idea, maybe you could explain what purpose this would really serve that can't be handled by flags and meta (and moderator email)." CreationDate="2015-06-15T14:09:53.100" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10596" PostId="2311" Score="0" Text="I took the liberty to comment out the filler text. The character limit does not care whether the text is within a HTML comment or not." CreationDate="2015-06-15T16:14:44.300" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10597" PostId="2311" Score="1" Text="I’m not sure whether it applies to the character limit in particular, but most of these content filters can be bypassed by re-editing the post within the 5-minute grace period." CreationDate="2015-06-15T16:27:38.833" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10600" PostId="2311" Score="7" Text="@ToddTrimble the main point of my comment was to indirectly point out  that &quot;Hell no&quot; is not what I would consider a *professional* way to reply to a suggestion (even if one thinks the suggestion is not good)." CreationDate="2015-06-15T22:35:57.507" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10602" PostId="2311" Score="2" Text="@quid I believe my answer displayed a level of thought and consideration commensurate with that in the original question, not to mention the deleted entry to which Todd Trimble has referred in his own answer" CreationDate="2015-06-15T23:00:52.323" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10603" PostId="2311" Score="0" Text="Moreover, as someone who &quot;self-deleted&quot; from MSE in extreme frustration with the way discussions there seemed to go, and who has watched at least one deleted/banned user employ that chatroom to harangue other users or mods... no thanks" CreationDate="2015-06-15T23:02:58.707" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10605" PostId="2311" Score="4" Text="re first: I find it disappointing that you consider this as sufficient. re second: The line of argument seems quite incoherent. (If you want I can explain in detail why.)" CreationDate="2015-06-16T10:52:51.107" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10611" PostId="2312" Score="8" Text="Personally, I like to have questions that are this specific to math be here, rather than on academia. Where to draw the line for &quot;sufficiently specific to math&quot; I don't know (but I would say that the example is definitely on the math side)." CreationDate="2015-06-16T18:26:21.593" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="10612" PostId="2312" Score="7" Text="I agree with Tobias, and think the question should be at MO (not MO meta!), as it is the users of MO who are (by far) the most qualified to answer. However, I *am* going to make this Community Wiki, as there may be divergent views and no clearly definitive answer." CreationDate="2015-06-16T18:35:37.677" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10613" PostId="2312" Score="11" Text="The question presently has 2 votes to migrate it here to MO meta -- wouldn't it be off-topic here as it is not a question about MathOverflow?" CreationDate="2015-06-16T20:46:28.927" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10614" PostId="2313" Score="5" Text="I agree the question is not well formulated, but at least Igor's answer is also an answer to your suggested reformulation, and others also seem to be taking such a tack in comments. (I actually think the premise of the question is mistaken: elegance in mathematical writing is primarily achieved not through stylistic devices, but through conceptual organization, lucidity in the proofs, etc. Some of the great works of Milnor, for example, follow the definition-lemma-proof format that the OP finds boring and workmanlike. But that's an aside.)" CreationDate="2015-06-17T06:10:19.297" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10618" PostId="2314" Score="0" Text="Markdown has also the option for ***Boldface italics!*** whereas MathJax doesn't." CreationDate="2015-06-19T09:37:39.003" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10622" PostId="2314" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: You can use `\boldsymbol` as in $\boldsymbol{boldface\ italics}$." CreationDate="2015-06-19T12:03:06.857" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="10623" PostId="2314" Score="1" Text="@François: Doesn't look great, I have to admit. What happens if I do $\boldsymbol{Hello! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!}$ does it retain proper spacing? Compare and contrast to ***Hello! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!***" CreationDate="2015-06-19T12:13:46.193" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10624" PostId="2314" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila: Spacing in math mode is different from text mode spacing (and often looks terrible: $not\ boldface\ but\ italics$). This is one of the reasons using MathJax for styling text is a bad idea." CreationDate="2015-06-19T12:16:42.457" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="10625" PostId="2314" Score="2" Text="@François: I am full aware of this. I was the one who requested that `\textsf` will be added to the standard MathJax commands, to slightly improve in-math text formatting. And that was my point, that while MathJax supports `\textbf,\textrm,\textsf,\textit,\texttt`, it does not support any mixing of them while retaining &quot;text mode spacing&quot;." CreationDate="2015-06-19T12:25:00.543" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10736" PostId="2314" Score="0" Text="I frequently use `\textit` when, for example, introducing terminology; the reason is that I find markdown italics not standing out sufficiently. I am happy with markdown bold though. I think if text versions of fonts (with proper spacing) are used, then it is perfectly OK." CreationDate="2015-06-30T05:35:54.850" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24882" PostId="2314" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2314/using-mathjax-for-formating-bold-italics#comment10618_2314), how does one summon boldface italics in Markdown?" CreationDate="2021-01-30T19:24:18.937" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24883" PostId="2314" Score="2" Text="@LSpice: `***`, ***of course***." CreationDate="2021-01-30T19:30:09.150" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24887" PostId="2314" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2314/using-mathjax-for-formating-bold-italics#comment24883_2314)!  I guess humankind has not yet discovered what `****` ****means****." CreationDate="2021-01-30T20:52:11.410" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="10621" PostId="2315" Score="16" Text="The main technical issue with using LaTeX for bold, italics and diacritics is that it breaks full-text search. The other technical issue is that LaTeX will often produce bad spacing, possibly making text hard to read or render on devices other than the OP's. I *do* think this usage of LaTeX should be discouraged on MO." CreationDate="2015-06-19T12:00:29.910" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="10626" PostId="2315" Score="6" Text="In case it was not clear: personally, I agree strongly that MathJax should be used for the typesetting of mathematics *only.* I am glad you weighed in with your opinion, as I think this point of view is not universally shared. But, perhaps over time we can achieve more consensus on it." CreationDate="2015-06-19T13:28:08.850" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10633" PostId="2315" Score="2" Text="Do you have a link to one of these &quot;run-ins&quot;? I am curious to see if the original writer has a legitimate reason to want Mathjax formatting rather than Markdown formatting. No one has spoken in favour of Mathjax formatting in this thread." CreationDate="2015-06-20T09:21:14.257" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="10634" PostId="2315" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni yes I do have at least one link and maybe could find more. But I do not consider it as productive or appropriate to single out one instance that I happen to recall. Moreover, the comments got cleaned up. As for &quot;legitimate use&quot; one construct used was `$$Some \; title$$` that will give a &quot;centered&quot; heading (if you get lucky). Possibly, it being &quot;centered&quot; was the motivation for using it, as centered text is not supported by the usual formatting on the site (AFAIK). (cont.)" CreationDate="2015-06-20T12:03:11.967" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10635" PostId="2315" Score="2" Text="However, even if this were so it would be a work around for a restriction that is there for a reasons. Indeed, no one has spoken in favor of MathJax formatting. But I supposed anybody so inclined would be free to do so. My stance is: while it is true that one can do some formatting with MathJax that is not supported otherwise, it is normally not supported for a reason. If somebody wants some new feature for formatting text  they should request it so that it can be implemented in a decent way or declined. Abusing some tool to work around a restriction there by design is not a legitimate use." CreationDate="2015-06-20T12:08:55.570" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10636" PostId="2315" Score="2" Text="Let me add to the stern last sentence that if on some occasion somebody really wants to do something special as regards formatting and uses MJ I do not consider it as a big deal either. And, me too, I used  MJ to write huge texts in comments or do some other fancy. What I do consider as problematic is when some formatting-hacks that have *serious* drawbacks are used frequently. ( @FedericoPoloni )" CreationDate="2015-06-20T12:14:51.483" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10627" PostId="2316" Score="6" Text="I think [this question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/207845/the-sum-of-squared-logarithms-conjecture) is a good candidate -- the OP offered one ounce of fine gold for a correct answer. -- Of course this depends on the exchange rate between gold and MO points :-)" CreationDate="2015-06-19T19:08:07.743" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10628" PostId="2316" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl, can any amount of fine gold ever be worth more than an MO point? :-)" CreationDate="2015-06-19T19:11:12.837" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10629" PostId="2316" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta thank you for your revision of this question and also your answer to it." CreationDate="2015-06-19T19:39:36.530" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="10630" PostId="2316" Score="0" Text="@AliTaghavi, you are welcome. I'm glad if I could be of help. And I won't be offended if you want to undo or overwrite my edits." CreationDate="2015-06-19T19:59:07.760" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10631" PostId="2316" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta thanks for your kind message. of course your revision was very necessary, and your answer was very helpful." CreationDate="2015-06-19T20:19:20.313" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="10740" PostId="2316" Score="1" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta If you are willing to trade ounces of gold for MO points, we may be able to come to an arrangement. :)" CreationDate="2015-06-30T13:51:27.600" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="10638" PostId="2318" Score="3" Text="The way it sounds, it would be better to undelete the original question (assuming it is your question and your deletion). Can you post a link (for those who can see it)?" CreationDate="2015-06-20T15:59:08.490" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10640" PostId="2318" Score="0" Text="The description does not seem to suggest that it is an on topic question anyway, but I suppose that can be decided and dealt with in the usual way when the question is asked or undeleted." CreationDate="2015-06-20T16:23:18.523" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="10641" PostId="2318" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek unfortunately the link has already vanished, so I would have to rewrite it again; essentially it was about solving a least squares problems for very large point sets (surface fit) that sacrificed global optimality for other advantages." CreationDate="2015-06-20T17:18:13.567" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="10642" PostId="2318" Score="0" Text="You might try http://mathoverflow.net/users/recently-deleted-questions/31310 , but unfortunately the list only retains questions not older than a month or so. (That is, links to questions don’t truly vanish, and an author of a deleted question as well as 10k users can access it. The problem is that the question ID is next to impossible to guess.)" CreationDate="2015-06-20T17:57:20.103" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10643" PostId="2318" Score="3" Text="Moderators see your deleted questions on your profile essentially just like normal questions. It would be only little effort for them to give you the link or to just undelete." CreationDate="2015-06-20T18:17:11.750" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10644" PostId="2318" Score="7" Text="Could it have been this? http://mathoverflow.net/questions/168889/global-approximation-via-convex-combination-of-local-approximations" CreationDate="2015-06-21T01:56:38.113" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10645" PostId="2318" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble  Yes, that is it; could you please undelete it?" CreationDate="2015-06-21T05:01:08.567" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="10650" PostId="2318" Score="5" Text="Done (plus more characters)." CreationDate="2015-06-21T12:57:52.810" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10653" PostId="2318" Score="1" Text="Thanks a lot Todd!" CreationDate="2015-06-21T19:13:06.237" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="10647" PostId="2319" Score="1" Text="Sometimes migration even doesn't work if a majority of close voters choose the migration option, and the question is just closed -- I remember to have read that this may be related to tags which do not exist on the destination site(?)" CreationDate="2015-06-21T09:25:16.527" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10648" PostId="2319" Score="1" Text="&quot;Either way we don't get the benefits of migration.&quot; Which are?" CreationDate="2015-06-21T10:46:05.563" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10649" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl indeed, if a question has no tag that exists on the target site (not even as synonym or intrinsic tag) the migration is rejected. It is easy to avoid this for migrations to [math.se] as all MO top-level tags should exist as synonyms on [math.se]." CreationDate="2015-06-21T11:03:12.550" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10670" PostId="2319" Score="1" Text="I should say that the closing system is a bit confusing (at least it first was to me), in off-topic you have to choose between 1) This question does not appear to be about research level mathematics within the scope defined in the help center. 2) MathOverflow is for mathematicians to ask each other questions about their research. See Math.StackExchange to ask general questions in mathematics.&#xA;3) This question belongs on another site in the Stack Exchange network. (...)" CreationDate="2015-06-23T00:16:03.353" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="10671" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="(...)  Maybe as non-English speaker I first understood 3) as &quot;the question exists on MathSE/...&quot; while it means &quot;I'm voting to migrate the post to MathSE&quot;. Also strangely,  if the question is closed then it's reversible (it can be reopened) while if migrated it sounds not easy to cancel. And the difference between 1) and 2) still sounds unclear to me: if a question is not of research level then both 1,2 apply and 3 is also an option." CreationDate="2015-06-23T00:18:14.457" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="10675" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="@YCor I agree that the phrasing for the path to migration is not the most intuitive. However, I do not see anything strange about closure being reversible easily but migration being reversible only in somewhat complicated ways.  Indeed, a point of putting a question &quot;on hold&quot; is to give OP the possibility to *improve the question* to make it *on-topic* (this will not always be possible, but still it is the idea). By contrast, migration means that the question is *(very) good as is*  for another site (but not this one). And,  sent  there, it is theirs; one cannot take back a gift either." CreationDate="2015-06-23T08:50:44.850" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10676" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="For the other point: indeed, 2 is a special case of 1. That 1 is present at all has also historical reasons (personally I would prefer it was not there anymore in this form). Recall originally there was only a general &quot;off-topic&quot; and it was common to explain in a comment what specifically was the issue. Now, we can customize close reasons to save the effort of typing out the comment for the most common case(s) frequently, whence 2. More exceptional cases can be dealt with via the &quot;other&quot; reason (making the reason explicit). @YCor" CreationDate="2015-06-23T09:02:32.723" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10680" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="Any plans to follow up? My question was not rhetorical." CreationDate="2015-06-24T11:19:15.700" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10720" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="@quid I'm assuming you're referring to your question to Nate, about the benefits of migration to us (where I'm supposing 'us' might include the poster as well)." CreationDate="2015-06-27T11:48:03.000" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10918" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="@quid: Sorry that I lost track of this.  I think the main benefits of migration are to other MO users who found the question interesting, and maybe want to answer it.  With migration, they can easily find the MSE version of the question (since the question continues to exist on MO for a time, with a link to MSE) and immediately answer it..." CreationDate="2015-07-31T13:54:53.157" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="10919" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="@quid Without migration, they have to wait around to see if the OP will decide to repost to MSE.  Then they have to try to find the MSE question (which may now have a different title, etc).  It's a drag.  There is a slight benefit to the OP who gets the question to MSE without delay, and without having to copy-and-paste, but this is not quite as significant in my mind." CreationDate="2015-07-31T13:56:49.840" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="10920" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the reply. The point that with migration there is at any point in time an open version of the question is a valid advantage. From the askers perspective (as I explained) to me  it is a quite  mixed bag.  For the MO users that might want to answer I can see that it could be convenient. My main concern regarding migrations is though that what sounds quite alright in theory does not work so well in practice. Having 10k+ on [math.se] you [can check easily](http://math.stackexchange.com/tools/posts/migrated/here) what happens to migrated questions from MO there.  Often not much (good)." CreationDate="2015-07-31T15:03:28.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10646" PostId="2320" Score="12" Text="It should be pointed that if a question is migrated and gets closed on MSE, then it is locked there, and the copy here gets closed as off topic anyway. Which is why the distinction between options (2) and (3) is important. If in its current form it will be closed on MSE, it shouldn't be migrated. Or, to quote the golden rule of migrations, &quot;Don't migrate crap&quot;." CreationDate="2015-06-21T09:03:26.767" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10651" PostId="2321" Score="2" Text="Good explanations! -- I also feel migration is not much service to the OP or to the target site. I think migration is rather beneficial in a certain sense to the source site if a question already has answers. -- Other than if an off-topic question is merely closed, the answers to a migrated question get deleted; this has at least two effects -- firstly, people don't get the impression that they could get such question answered on the source site, and secondly, the migration stub gets autodeleted after some days -- whereas a closed question with answers is not. (I'm not saying this is good!)" CreationDate="2015-06-21T13:53:22.347" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10652" PostId="2321" Score="0" Text="Interesting data! Is it easy to access or generate it somehow? It would also be interesting to see what kinds of migrated questions get closed at MO." CreationDate="2015-06-21T17:37:25.237" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10654" PostId="2321" Score="4" Text="&quot;the question is inserted in the &quot;new&quot;-queue with the date it was originally asked&quot; &lt;-- this is not a very good design feature IMHO." CreationDate="2015-06-21T23:28:31.667" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10656" PostId="2321" Score="2" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta 10k+ users have access to this data under &quot;tools.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-06-22T00:23:21.760" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10657" PostId="2321" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts the migrated post retains somewhat inevitably its history from the original site on the new site and thus its original date of creation. It would also  be weird to have a question &quot;created&quot; on June 21st with answers  dating from June 19th for instance.  The way things are it fits somewhat naturally in, if one would want to do it differently I think one would have to do a lot of special-casing for that corner-case migrated questions." CreationDate="2015-06-22T00:29:16.837" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10658" PostId="2321" Score="3" Text="@quid it could be bumped by the community-user, it doesn't have to come into the stream as a new question." CreationDate="2015-06-22T01:49:25.953" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10660" PostId="2321" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts The &quot;new&quot;-queue is created according to the time  &quot;asked.&quot; Nothing of which I know has an effect on the &quot;asked&quot; time. In particular, bumps by the community user have no effect on this, and thus the position of the question in the &quot;new&quot;-queue. Presumably you are thinking about the &quot;active&quot;-queue." CreationDate="2015-06-22T10:11:02.433" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10661" PostId="2321" Score="0" Text="Yes, I'm thinking of the active view." CreationDate="2015-06-22T11:59:30.760" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10662" PostId="2321" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts I do not get your point then. In the &quot;active&quot;-queue the question is inserted at the top anyway." CreationDate="2015-06-22T12:09:11.653" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10669" PostId="2321" Score="3" Text="@quid well then I can withdraw my complaint! :-) I see I didn't read the original quote I cut and pasted very carefully..." CreationDate="2015-06-22T23:53:19.253" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10655" PostId="2322" Score="0" Text="&quot;mainly related to mathematics, philosophy and ecology.&quot; the mathematics is in the minority here. For some page counts and more details and links, see https://plus.google.com/+lievenlebruyn/posts/2L5wgoQFgLK (in English)" CreationDate="2015-06-21T23:31:28.870" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10663" PostId="2323" Score="5" Text="Certainly mark them as incorrect.  How about: let the one posting the erroneous answer choose whether to delete it?" CreationDate="2015-06-22T12:19:34.400" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="10664" PostId="2323" Score="2" Text="There are certainly precedents where a user leaves a wrong answer intentionally as a lesson to others coming to the question later. At the moment I'm having trouble coming up with a really good example of this." CreationDate="2015-06-22T13:34:42.790" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10665" PostId="2323" Score="2" Text="If one likes to obtain badges, then one could obtain a peer &quot;pressure badge&quot; for downvoted incorrect answers or a &quot;disciplined badge&quot; for upvoted incorrect answers. I must admit that leaving an incorrect answer on MO has the advantage of showing the MO community where they have upvoted an answer in error and hence have upvoted the answer without reviewing the answer enough to determine (within reason) if it is correct or incorrect. In other words, leaving upvoted incorrect answers promotes the good MO practice of reviewing answers before upvoting." CreationDate="2015-06-22T22:42:37.047" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="10672" PostId="2323" Score="8" Text="@Joseph, when you hover over the upvote arrow, it doesn't say, &quot;This answer is correct.&quot; It says, &quot;This answer is useful.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-06-23T00:27:38.407" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="10679" PostId="2323" Score="1" Text="This question appears to be a duplicate of [this](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2042/if-ive-found-an-error-in-my-answer/), but it seems inappropriate to close it given the nice answer Joonas has given here (which is not entirely redundant with the answers there)." CreationDate="2015-06-24T10:56:52.150" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="10742" PostId="2323" Score="1" Text="@Gerry Myerson. It says &quot;this answer is useful&quot; for all stack exchange communities, so the phrase &quot;this answer is useful&quot; represents the stackexchange network in general rather than the particular site mathoverflow. Of course, I should mention that if an incorrect answer has been labeled as incorrect I would not upvote it nor downvote it. I am sure that not many people would upvote an answer if they knew it was incorrect." CreationDate="2015-07-02T03:46:32.790" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="10677" PostId="2324" Score="3" Text="[Here](http://mathoverflow.net/a/41322/454) is an example of mine from MO." CreationDate="2015-06-23T12:58:20.657" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="10666" PostId="2325" Score="4" Text="Let me say that if this is intentional, then the design team should really get a couple of colorblind reviewers before rolling out new palettes." CreationDate="2015-06-22T23:12:38.937" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10667" PostId="2325" Score="0" Text="The user pages seem to be formatted incorrectly at the moment too, at least in Firefox on a Mac." CreationDate="2015-06-22T23:32:27.183" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="10668" PostId="2325" Score="0" Text="Yes, something changed in a weird way.  And something seems broken. On the user-pages the &quot;about me&quot; is misplaced." CreationDate="2015-06-22T23:32:33.480" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10673" PostId="2325" Score="0" Text="I'm not colourblind, and I can barely read them. At recommended viewing distance from my monitor with no glasses it's a blue-green blur, whereas I can read all the other main elements." CreationDate="2015-06-23T00:29:27.683" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10674" PostId="2327" Score="4" Text="I'd use the short-toed eagle for solving the snakes problem. They are magnificent, and they are relatively common in Israel this time of the year. Their Hebrew name is derived from the Arabic name, which literally means &quot;The Snakes Eagle&quot;. So they make a good fit for that. I don't know about solving the gorilla problem, but if you had said smaller monkeys, then a harpy eagle is a great solution." CreationDate="2015-06-23T08:41:20.510" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10678" PostId="2327" Score="6" Text="(I still recommend getting the opinion of one or two color blinded people before rolling out new color schemes, on any site really.)" CreationDate="2015-06-23T14:43:38.120" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10682" PostId="2328" Score="44" Text="&quot;It is inappropriate to discuss the flaws in a paper in a public forum&quot;. Actually, I am one who is perplexed by this stance: after all, a published paper is a public document (well, let's assume it is open-access), so why avoiding a public discussion on it? Criticizing the paper *does not* necessarily mean criticizing the author! –" CreationDate="2015-06-25T14:06:59.493" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="10683" PostId="2328" Score="10" Text="It was certainly my impression that we had a settled policy of not accepting questions of this general form.  I do not have time at the moment to gather references for that, nor do I claim that that policy is necessarily correct, but I think that it has some consensus behind it." CreationDate="2015-06-25T14:37:42.867" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="10684" PostId="2328" Score="4" Text="Todd, you said that published papers are fair game here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1265" CreationDate="2015-06-25T15:41:16.957" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="10687" PostId="2328" Score="0" Text="@Carl Thanks for that. As might be obvious, in the present post I was leaning more towards the position that I more explicitly took there, so at least there is some consistency of where I seem to stand personally." CreationDate="2015-06-25T16:29:34.190" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10688" PostId="2328" Score="0" Text="@NeilStrickland I think there has been some back-and-forth on this. The consensus might be more about evaluating *preprints* than about papers in (reputable) peer-reviewed journals (which then become part of established literature). Carl's comment brought me back to an earlier 'tea' discussion where some of this was discussed: http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/973/where-is-the-hole-in-my-proof/." CreationDate="2015-06-25T16:35:49.000" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10697" PostId="2328" Score="7" Text="I think it will also be appropriate, if the question stands, to remove the non-math discussion from the question's comment section (perhaps keep those comments on record here)." CreationDate="2015-06-25T22:26:45.080" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="10698" PostId="2328" Score="1" Text="@YoavKallus Thanks for the suggestion. I think I might be more inclined to archive such comments at tea.mathoverflow.net (which still exists but doesn't attract too much attention)." CreationDate="2015-06-25T23:27:33.033" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10701" PostId="2328" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble I think the format above is better than the question as it currently stands. One should link to the journal version of the article primarily, with the _current version_ of the arXiv paper as a backup, if they are the same, or similar enough. Then one should link to a _specific old version_ of the arXiv paper, not just the generic identifier. I hesitate to edit without some sort of consensus, at least with a moderator such as yourself :-)" CreationDate="2015-06-26T01:09:19.913" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10702" PostId="2328" Score="3" Text="Ah well, I did it anyway. Forgiveness rather than permission, etc." CreationDate="2015-06-26T01:13:55.687" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10703" PostId="2328" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Seems like a good idea. Thanks for taking the initiative. :-)" CreationDate="2015-06-26T01:15:36.613" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10704" PostId="2328" Score="1" Text="I still think a more focussed approach like you outline above would be more in line with MO practive than currently but I hope @MishaVerbitsky comes here to discuss (I'm certainly not going to unilaterally make changes _that_ major)." CreationDate="2015-06-26T01:47:31.307" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10705" PostId="2328" Score="1" Text="If the question is not appropriate to MO, is there an alternate location that might be more appropriate to discuss it? The arguments Misha Verbitsky gives that it is an important question to discuss seem convincing..." CreationDate="2015-06-26T04:04:39.717" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="10707" PostId="2328" Score="3" Text="IMO the question should be still more focused. &quot;My question is in which way these difficulties have been  addressed in the current paper.&quot; Is a question I would consider acceptable. In any case, even if the general second question is preserved I consider it as better to ask rather &quot;in which way&quot; than &quot;whether.&quot; For on thing yes/no questions are rarely good MO questions." CreationDate="2015-06-26T07:52:34.603" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10709" PostId="2328" Score="1" Text="@WillSawin there is this [Selected Paper Network](https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/the-selected-papers-network-part-1/) one of whose goals seems to be to evaluate papers. (I did not follow this, as I do not think it is a good idea, but then there are many things on the internet I do not consider a good idea.)  On your second remark: perhaps M.V. could just do what he'd have done in the &quot;dark ages&quot; before MO." CreationDate="2015-06-26T08:05:30.677" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10716" PostId="2328" Score="2" Text="My cited comment was inartfully phrased. I support [quid's proposed standard](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2331/6094) (&quot;If there is a specific question about a specific step in a proof..., then it is on topic.&quot;), and [TMA's rephrasing of my comment](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2330/6094)." CreationDate="2015-06-26T23:02:36.963" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10685" PostId="2329" Score="8" Text="Perhaps the author should be contacted in cases like these, so they have a chance to reply?" CreationDate="2015-06-25T15:50:43.573" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="10686" PostId="2329" Score="8" Text="@Carl I agree. Preferably _before_ the question is posted." CreationDate="2015-06-25T15:53:29.863" UserId="806" />
  <row Id="10725" PostId="2329" Score="4" Text="And like a politician, bad publicity can be good publicity. If Etesi's result is affirmed in answers- well then, what could be a better advertisement for his paper?" CreationDate="2015-06-28T07:11:12.767" UserId="2051" />
  <row Id="10732" PostId="2329" Score="6" Text="@DanielMoskovich The maxim &quot;Every publicity is a good publicity&quot; is about a benefit to a politician, not to politics. We should strive for better." CreationDate="2015-06-29T08:56:52.050" UserId="806" />
  <row Id="10689" PostId="2330" Score="11" Text="It seems that the community often accepts questions of the form &quot;what is the status of Conjecture X&quot; or even &quot;what are the recent developments in Field Y.&quot; I think that &quot;is this paper correct&quot; is a much more specific type of mathematical question than these two." CreationDate="2015-06-25T17:44:37.110" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="10690" PostId="2330" Score="1" Text="Indeed.  However, the first two are slightly discouraged as sometimes being too broad.  Also, the first two usually involve less work to answer because someone reading it either has an informed opinion to share or saw a web page on it.  Answering the last question involves more work, and usually one has to wait a few years after publication to find someone who can answer it reliably.  I believe a major criticism of the MO question on Mochizuki and ABC was &quot; too soon to ask&quot; ." CreationDate="2015-06-25T17:50:50.273" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="10692" PostId="2331" Score="3" Text="A first approximation to the meaning of &quot;published&quot; is published in a 'reputable' peer-reviewed journal. Modulo the word 'reputable', I think that's a fairly crisp meaning. The distinction is I think somewhat relevant because one of the big points of such publication is having some public measure of trust and reliability." CreationDate="2015-06-25T19:26:24.147" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10693" PostId="2331" Score="3" Text="&quot;one of the big points of such publication is having some public measure of trust and reliability&quot; I do not get the point at all. If anything, I would take this as argument for there being higher hurdles for questioning the validity, not the converse as you seem to propose. If somebody, especially an expert, has some issue with a published paper they might contact an editor." CreationDate="2015-06-25T19:40:31.637" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10694" PostId="2331" Score="5" Text="I just meant that flaws in a published paper have more serious repercussions if people are more prone to putting trust in them over non-vetted preprints, and thus the urgency of settling any doubts about them might be felt to be more acute. &quot;If somebody, especially an expert, has some issue with a published paper they might contact an editor.&quot; -- that's a point worth keeping in mind!" CreationDate="2015-06-25T19:49:29.327" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10708" PostId="2331" Score="4" Text="@Todd The reputability of JMP for &quot;mathematicians&quot; is cast into doubt by the question in its current form, and in general there is a continuous spectrum of journal reputability, so I think the claim of fuzziness remains.  As I commented just now at the main question, the important issue is the mathematics, not the reputability of the journal." CreationDate="2015-06-26T07:55:09.467" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="10699" PostId="2332" Score="1" Text="I agree that the question as it currently stands is still not a very good question for MO (and could be closed as a duplicate), although it's more polite. I hope Misha Verbitsky will consider bringing back some of the context that led to the asking of the question in the first place." CreationDate="2015-06-25T23:56:58.440" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10706" PostId="2332" Score="6" Text="I strongly agree. One could add a little paragraph at the end, along the lines of &quot;I read the paper when it first appeared 10 years ago. Back then it had this flaw: &lt;insert description&gt;. Does anyone know if the published version of the proof is correct and the result is reliable?&quot; I would not see this as confrontational if the mathematical problems in the original version are made clear. Without details it looks more ad hominem (which I believe was not the intention)." CreationDate="2015-06-26T06:59:43.620" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10719" PostId="2332" Score="0" Text="I could not agree more with TC." CreationDate="2015-06-27T06:03:23.763" UserId="73972" />
  <row Id="10711" PostId="2334" Score="0" Text="I summarized the comments as the meta-question seems like one somebody else might have too." CreationDate="2015-06-26T14:21:33.017" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10737" PostId="2335" Score="0" Text="Since so far there have been no howls of protest, I assume that the question would be all right. I'll wait a little longer, and if the pattern continues I'll have the question migrated, with a link to this meta post." CreationDate="2015-06-30T07:28:18.623" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10755" PostId="2335" Score="0" Text="It seems that the migration from MSE to MO was rejected: http://math.stackexchange.com/posts/1331258/revisions Why was that? If people voted it to be off-topic here, could it at least be reopened at MSE?" CreationDate="2015-07-03T20:13:58.300" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10756" PostId="2335" Score="1" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta The OP deleted the question at MO, after coming to the conclusion that it wasn't sensible after all (this was in response to a pertinent comment by an MO user). So it seems this situation doesn't need to be rescued." CreationDate="2015-07-04T00:48:01.553" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10726" PostId="2336" Score="14" Text="Views are not unique views; after 15 minutes or so of inactivity, a second-[third-...] reader is counted several times. Those 450 views could easily be 50-60 people, which make the voting percentage closer to 20%. Not ideal, but better." CreationDate="2015-06-28T21:43:07.037" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10727" PostId="2336" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: Ah, I had no idea that was the case. That makes this nearly impossible to quantify." CreationDate="2015-06-28T22:33:22.670" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10728" PostId="2336" Score="6" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/36728/how-are-the-number-of-views-in-a-question-calculated" CreationDate="2015-06-28T23:10:47.683" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10731" PostId="2336" Score="7" Text="Some views come &quot;from outside&quot;, not from registered MO users. And many viewers probably decide whether or not they want to read it after taking a quick look at its topic, style, length and such. The percentage of voters in those viewers that are registered users, have actually read it and have not voted before is much higher. If I understood the meta.SE answer correctly, the system doesn't store information about the (unique) views from registered users, so good data is not easy to find." CreationDate="2015-06-29T07:47:40.687" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10752" PostId="2336" Score="4" Text="I upvote a question for which I would like to know the answer and plan to return to it later. In most cases I read a question since I was lured to it by the title but then it turns out to be not that interesting, but still I see no reason to downvote. Additionally - I find myself less generous with time as I find no tools to limit searches to upvoted questions similar to favorite questions by adding a command: &quot;infavorites:mine&quot;. I think having that tool I would be upvoting 3 may be 4 times more questions. BTW: it would be nice to be able to favoritize answers in big-lists of some 100 answers." CreationDate="2015-07-03T09:45:36.940" UserId="16678" />
  <row Id="10786" PostId="2336" Score="2" Text="Googling the title of the linked post (in quotation marks) reveals that it was featured as a *Hot Network Question*. Likely this led to the many views. (On MESE I have noticed at least [**one**](http://matheducators.stackexchange.com/questions/8052/) of your questions with an even more extreme voting:views ratio; in that case, checking [**reddit domains**](http://www.reddit.com/domain/matheducators.stackexchange.com) revealed the source of outside traffic. No such phenomenon for MO 210291, but sometimes worth looking into.)" CreationDate="2015-07-05T08:06:58.707" UserId="22971" />
  <row Id="10801" PostId="2336" Score="0" Text="@AdamPrzeździecki I would also like that feature (of course you can look at your votes tab, but I guess you mean something more refined).  Maybe you should put in a feature request." CreationDate="2015-07-06T03:02:54.820" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="10814" PostId="2336" Score="1" Text="@AdamPrzeździecki In fact I think the term &quot;favorite&quot; is not entirely accurate, as I for example use the star to mark questions which attract my attention but are not entirely clear to me, so that I have many &quot;favorite&quot; questions which I have not upvoted. Whereas if it is a favorite in the genuine sense, presumably it must be upvoteable in the first place, right?" CreationDate="2015-07-11T06:41:36.063" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="10729" PostId="2337" Score="6" Text="Probably academia.stackexchange.com, as many of the relevant issues in your question are not specific to mathematics.  Also, the question is a little broad and does not admit of a concise objective answer.  It's a good question, but not quite within the mandate of MathOverflow.  (Yes, we are still trying to figure out what that mandate is.)" CreationDate="2015-06-29T04:21:47.840" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="10730" PostId="2337" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much. I will do that." CreationDate="2015-06-29T04:30:15.130" UserId="75293" />
  <row Id="10733" PostId="2338" Score="1" Text="Earlier posts here and at meta.MSE about the same issue: [MathJax in suggested edits](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/73/55893), [Reviewing Suggested Edits](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/2809/166535), [Why we can't see suggested edits rendered in latex before approving?](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/13360/166535)." CreationDate="2015-06-29T19:24:42.400" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10734" PostId="2338" Score="1" Text="I agree that the problem should be fixed. Could you have a switch for turning of the color coding so that MathJax would render things correctly?" CreationDate="2015-06-29T19:25:46.403" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10735" PostId="2338" Score="1" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Thanks for the info (and workaround in the link). Closing as a duplicate." CreationDate="2015-06-29T19:28:52.500" UserId="806" />
  <row Id="10738" PostId="2339" Score="5" Text="Why not link to your thesis on the arXiv?" CreationDate="2015-06-30T07:33:56.043" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10739" PostId="2339" Score="1" Text="good point, done! for some reason, when I wrote the post, it felt too self-indulgent to promote my thesis as well ;)" CreationDate="2015-06-30T10:02:32.783" UserId="492" />
  <row Id="10963" PostId="2339" Score="18" Text="This is a great success story, and also points out one of the advantages of using real names on MO. When I can identify a poster to be a motivated student I am much more likely to go out of my way to be helpful than if the OP is anonymous." CreationDate="2015-08-18T17:32:13.223" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="10741" PostId="2340" Score="6" Text="I don't think this would add much value to the question.  I can see that you're frustrated with the lack of response.  At this point, I don't think there is much you can do to improve this.  Perhaps it is just a hard question (or at least one where the relevant people are not active on MO)." CreationDate="2015-07-02T01:26:56.427" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="10744" PostId="2340" Score="1" Text="Let me remind you of http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1717/ .  Don't give up trying to make the problem more attractive.  Also, accept that most of the MathOverflow community won't be affected by your attempts.  As long as you meet community standards though, you needn't care about it.  You need to find the one or two members who are interested.  Keep looking, thinking, researching, and tweaking.  Good luck ro you." CreationDate="2015-07-02T16:41:44.740" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="10745" PostId="2340" Score="1" Text="Put another way, the number of &quot;relevant mathematicians&quot; is likely to be very small.  You may need to do more than make MathOverflow posts to find one of them." CreationDate="2015-07-02T16:48:23.167" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="10754" PostId="2340" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman When I look at websites of faculty at universities I see a lot of specializations. Wonder what specializations are closer and more likely to be concerned with this problem." CreationDate="2015-07-03T10:23:56.067" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10795" PostId="2340" Score="0" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/a/210787/14414" CreationDate="2015-07-05T13:17:30.207" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10747" PostId="2341" Score="0" Text="In my question &quot;this is super interesting topic&quot;, &quot;this&quot; refers to the subject, what motivates a mathematician in general,  and not my original question. Just a clarification that i am not self claiming that my question should be found interesting by all!." CreationDate="2015-07-02T21:31:55.667" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10748" PostId="2341" Score="0" Text="Great answer and advice, need sometome to digest and grasp and learn." CreationDate="2015-07-02T21:32:44.650" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10749" PostId="2341" Score="0" Text="I am highly indebted to MO and MSE, cant complain on them." CreationDate="2015-07-02T21:35:40.240" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10750" PostId="2341" Score="3" Text="This entire piece of advice can be really just summed up in the words of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. &quot;You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime, you might just might find you get what you need.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-07-03T07:55:26.217" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10751" PostId="2341" Score="0" Text="@RajeshD, it doesn't change much if &quot;this&quot; is a broad subject rather than a single question or problem. The same thing can happen at different scales. (Also, I must admit that I knowingly exaggerated the tone of your meta posts. I did this to highlight what I think was the thing people disliked.)" CreationDate="2015-07-03T08:11:18.053" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10753" PostId="2341" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta When I look at websites of faculty at universities I see a lot of specializations. Wonder what specializations are closer and more likely to be concerned with this problem." CreationDate="2015-07-03T10:23:22.917" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10794" PostId="2341" Score="0" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/a/210787/14414" CreationDate="2015-07-05T13:17:20.887" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="10760" PostId="2342" Score="1" Text="I might be that a person who is posting such a question knows this, but for some reason has not classified it as elementary." CreationDate="2015-07-04T12:54:30.423" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10761" PostId="2342" Score="4" Text="This is not a math question." CreationDate="2015-07-04T12:55:14.807" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="10762" PostId="2342" Score="2" Text="No, but very much related to the discussion that take place here!" CreationDate="2015-07-04T12:56:09.380" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10767" PostId="2342" Score="13" Text="I disagree with the inference you make: &quot; So, it implicitly, say that a silent majority is not in agreement with those few who feel they are in position to block people.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-07-04T13:26:20.283" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="10768" PostId="2342" Score="19" Text="The comparison between asking here and being kicked out, and asking Gauss and being executed does not add to the question. In general, when you want people to listen you should avoid excessive drama and unnecessary comparison to executions and murder. If there's one thing that I learned in my very few years as a grad students, and the slightly longer experience being alive, is that not many *professional* anythings have a penchant for excessive drama, and using drama as a metaphor to drive your point home, will usually drive it over a cliff... to its death." CreationDate="2015-07-04T13:53:33.973" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10769" PostId="2342" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila, that was a rather dramatic way of saying that drama is bad. Nevertheless, I agree." CreationDate="2015-07-04T13:58:12.987" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10770" PostId="2342" Score="10" Text="If someone is &quot;blocked&quot; because of phrasing, that is not good.  But (on the other hand) if a question is &quot;put on hold&quot; because of phrasing, that is what &quot;on hold&quot; is for, and there is then an opportunity to improve the phrasing, and be removed from &quot;hold&quot;." CreationDate="2015-07-04T14:29:20.217" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="10771" PostId="2342" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Sometimes, to show the effect, an extreme example may help." CreationDate="2015-07-04T14:48:31.983" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10791" PostId="2342" Score="11" Text="@user51223 The fact that the threat of murder would dissuade somebody from asking a question may help to show the effect of deleting somebody's question? Really? You're just being silly, and that paragraph will have alienated many people, myself included, who might have had some sympathy with some of your other points." CreationDate="2015-07-05T12:34:50.170" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="10796" PostId="2342" Score="0" Text="@JeremyRickard. Thank you for calling my example a silly act. I think I explained above that the example is intentionally meant to be extreme in order to highlight the effect. Blocking someone is not the same as executing him/her, yet it seems to me that it has a deep effect, one the only visible and understandable acts come from words! Still, what is happening such a blocking or putting someones question, see a QUESTION, is too harsh. Do you disagree?" CreationDate="2015-07-05T17:32:33.450" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10803" PostId="2342" Score="4" Text="@user51223 I apologize. &quot;You're just being silly&quot; is what I would have said to you if I knew you and were speaking to you in person. It wasn't an appropriate way to address somebody I don't know on the internet. But I think your use of this &quot;example&quot; (example of what, I'm not sure) and your portrayal of this issue as one of &quot;free speech&quot; (which it isn't) was unwise if you wanted to start a debate. Far too many people in this world still live under repressive regimes that curtail their rights to express their opinions by threat of violence, and I find the trivialization of this quite offensive." CreationDate="2015-07-06T12:58:56.413" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="10804" PostId="2342" Score="0" Text="@JeremyRickard Thank you Jeremy to think of me as a friend when you have been commenting. I didn't mean this to be a trivialisation for the issue of `Free Speech' and it was meant to be about the particular place that it was posted to. Just for a moment, imagine that someone who does not have access to many experts in his/her field, say a research student doing his/her PhD in area X of Earth who is not native/fluent in English. It seems to me that with recent level of putting `high' standards, such people don't stand much of a chance whereas in old mailing list, I think, they had a chance." CreationDate="2015-07-06T13:13:29.377" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10805" PostId="2342" Score="0" Text="@JeremyRickard and asking the right question, I think, is a kind of skill. So, people learn how and what to ask while they are welcomed and allowed to ask in such places. Actually, such a hypothetical student could be living under  one of the regimes that you mentioned! So, let's try to help them to enjoy freedom, at least here!" CreationDate="2015-07-06T13:14:31.983" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10763" PostId="2343" Score="0" Text="I invite you to look at the history of Don Davis's list first. Second, as I mentioned, there are some people who were blocked because of the phraing ofthe question." CreationDate="2015-07-04T12:51:46.740" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10764" PostId="2343" Score="4" Text="&quot;That's what MSE is for&quot; is not in fact the reason why tolerance of elementary questions is not something to strive for here." CreationDate="2015-07-04T13:12:15.613" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="10765" PostId="2343" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg sorry, I answered this on MO!" CreationDate="2015-07-04T13:13:42.283" UserId="68742" />
  <row Id="10766" PostId="2343" Score="2" Text="Harrison Smith:  by &quot;here&quot; I did in fact mean MO." CreationDate="2015-07-04T13:19:01.287" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="10772" PostId="2343" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg ah, then what is the reason?" CreationDate="2015-07-04T15:01:35.367" UserId="68742" />
  <row Id="10773" PostId="2343" Score="9" Text="@HarrisonSmith:  The reason is that MO is not a place for elementary questions.  This would be equally true if MSE did not exist." CreationDate="2015-07-04T15:11:46.847" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="10774" PostId="2344" Score="2" Text="Thank you. I think the point of having high standards, for keeping the society going forward with a better quality, is a fairly good point. But, I think the life blood of this society, is for the new comers, and they must be kept in the game. I feel blocking people, closing their question, or declassifying it, is too harsh. There might be more than 10000 followers for a topic, and a less than 10 people decide for a post to be closed, noting that, if you want to be precise, these people by no means represent the community; they are not elected. They can vote -1." CreationDate="2015-07-04T15:21:34.567" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10775" PostId="2344" Score="4" Text="@user51223, balancing between high standards and a warm welcome to newcomers is not easy. In my experience, if someone produces good mathematical content but is not familiar with community standards, others will help. If the content is not as good, people are not as helpful. If someone disagrees with closing a post, they can vote to reopen, leave a comment explaining why the question is good, or to edit the question and improve it. This does happen and I hope it helps newcomers. Anyone in the community is free to act, and the number of active users is fairly large." CreationDate="2015-07-04T15:57:20.430" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10776" PostId="2344" Score="1" Text="It is true what you write, that MO is not *intended* to be a place for discussion or even to support a community (see also this [elaboration](https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-community-on-Stack-Exchange-Stack-Overflow-sites-like-there-is-on-Quora/answer/Sebastian-Schacher) by Sebastian Schacher). But compared to other SE sites, MO used to be quite welcoming to newcomers. Recently there has been an upsurge in policing on this site, at least that's my impression." CreationDate="2015-07-04T16:25:25.467" UserId="3824" />
  <row Id="10777" PostId="2344" Score="1" Text="@NicolasSchmidt, unless I'm mistaken, the writer does not represent the StackExchange network, there are not many upvotes, and the only comment disagrees with SE not wanting communities. And MO need not fully follow the ideology behind most of SE. That aside, I don't know if there has been a change in the attitude towards newcomers. Maybe more experienced users could share their views on this?" CreationDate="2015-07-04T16:42:52.650" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10778" PostId="2344" Score="0" Text="To say that the writer does not represent the Stack Exchange network is a great exercise in understatement. :-) (Them being one of the most anti-SE persons I ever came across.)" CreationDate="2015-07-04T17:56:26.580" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10779" PostId="2344" Score="0" Text="I really don't mind getting negative votes. I don't think I need to represent anybody. Yet, I think there has to be some urge in people to say what they feel might be going wrong. So, people say MO is for professionals, or for more advanced questions. I might be so, but it doesn't mean that if someone said something we don't feel to be up to standards, then that should be deleted immediately, or put on hold. It seems to me that the experts attitude which used to be in place in mailing lists, say, is missing here. This might be too harsh, but I think there is lack of tolerance here." CreationDate="2015-07-04T19:49:29.400" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10780" PostId="2344" Score="9" Text="I think there is also a lack of social awareness.  Resources like USENET groups sci.math got trashed because people took inappropriate advantage of them, some under the guise of &quot;free speech&quot;.  They have become (and may still be) festering cesspools of spam, primarily through lack of moderation.  The tolerance you speak of would similarly ruin the resource that is MathOverflow.  If you want debate and discussion, find a place that is suitable for it.  MathOverflow is not such a place." CreationDate="2015-07-04T21:59:06.630" UserId="35626" />
  <row Id="10783" PostId="2344" Score="8" Text="@NicolasSchmidt: In the past couple years there has definitely been an increase in the frequency of closed questions, and probably with it an increase in the level of hostility to the average newcomer.  But this is (at least primarily) because the suitability of the average newcomer's questions has gone down as a result of MO joining the SE network and consequently being more visible to non-mathematicians." CreationDate="2015-07-05T02:00:55.947" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="10788" PostId="2344" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey I disagree about this being the reason, not even primarily. The fact that the standards of MO increase is quiet relevant, too. Browse some old questions; well-received then, would be closed in no time now. Finally, what is also quite relevant are the new close tools, which seem to  generate a lot of &quot;tentative&quot; close votes based purely on heuristics." CreationDate="2015-07-05T10:15:53.830" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10789" PostId="2344" Score="3" Text="@EricWofsey Yes, I've also noticed an increase in low quality questions (and non-questions), since the integration into the SE network. I see two threats to the spirit of MO (which I still perceive to be supportive in general), both of which sustain each other. The first one would be low-quality questions asked *in bad faith*, i.e. trolling. The second one would be aggressive policing of questions asked *in good faith*, i.e. bullying. From my experience stackoverflow suffers at least from the latter problem. So let's not take the friendly spirit here at MO for granted." CreationDate="2015-07-05T10:31:49.887" UserId="3824" />
  <row Id="10798" PostId="2344" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta. As some mentioned earlier, what was meant to be a minimum of standard, may change during time. So, a couple of people deciding for a question which is meant to be visible for public, and public can ignore it by not answering it, is not considered with my view as an appropriate act. Example is this post which within less than hour received loads of reactions such as this." CreationDate="2015-07-05T17:41:05.100" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10787" PostId="2345" Score="1" Text="Maybe I should have been more careful with my wording. I think MO meta is for questions, answers and comments, but they can have a very debating spirit. Such a spirit is not tolerated nearly as well at MO main. Brief discussions may occur through the Q&amp;A system and especially comments, but lengthy discussions are not so natural for this system. (Anyway, I do agree with your answer.)" CreationDate="2015-07-05T08:58:34.573" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10797" PostId="2345" Score="0" Text="No. If I was an expert, I think I will give you some advise or introduce you some references. If I was not an expert, I will excuse politely, and telling that I don't know about it. In any case, I think turning your face around, if you are talked to and engaged in a discussion is not suitable. But closing, and thinking that your question is silly, I probably hesitate to do so; it was quite possible that I ask questions sillier than that if I was in your place!?!" CreationDate="2015-07-05T17:37:46.117" UserId="51223" />
  <row Id="10781" PostId="2346" Score="7" Text="When I want to see recent heavily downvoted questions, I click on the Questions button at the top of the page (to the right of the MathOverflow Meta icon).  Right now the post in question appears in the &quot;recent&quot; tab as well as the &quot;active&quot; tab." CreationDate="2015-07-05T01:09:22.153" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="10782" PostId="2346" Score="4" Text="I think this should be toggled off by default on meta.  Meta frequently goes days with no activity, so it's not like bad questions will clutter the front page.  And just as we should be very cautious about closing meta questions, we should be very cautious about hiding them from the view of people who might be able to provide useful feedback.  In addition, people will often downvote things like feature requests to indicate disagreement, but just because a lot of people don't like an idea as stated doesn't mean there is nothing to be gained by discussing and possibly improving it." CreationDate="2015-07-05T01:51:53.077" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="10790" PostId="2346" Score="1" Text="@EricWofsey the threshold is significantly higher on meta (8 vs 4), while the traffic (and thus number of potential voters is lower). This is sufficient in my opinion. The hiding is often quite beneficial, especially for the poster, as it helps to control &quot;piling on&quot; a bit. Finally, as you know it is really not hard to get access to those questions; it is just that they do not jump at you right away. On feature-requests specifically: the etiquette here is to *first create a discussion,* and to post  a f-r only afterwards if there is some support. When followed,  there should be little issue." CreationDate="2015-07-05T10:36:16.287" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10799" PostId="2346" Score="2" Text="@quid: Ah, I didn't know the threshold was that high on meta.  I still feel like there isn't much point in hiding on meta, but with such a high threshold I can agree it is at least mostly harmless." CreationDate="2015-07-05T19:10:41.293" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="24547" PostId="2346" Score="0" Text="There was a recent question on meta about this: [Why is my feature-request not showing on meta?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4821)" CreationDate="2021-01-10T15:47:45.397" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="10785" PostId="2347" Score="1" Text="Excellent. Just what I needed to know. Thanks also to @Joel Reyes Noche." CreationDate="2015-07-05T05:29:57.183" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="10808" PostId="2349" Score="18" Text="Voting without commenting has been discussed before, and there seems to be some kind of a consensus that anonymous (down)voting is a good thing. See [What are reasons for allowing anonymous voting?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/828/55893)." CreationDate="2015-07-10T11:13:22.817" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="18383" PostId="2349" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta I disagree with that consensus. Down-voting should not be anonymous." CreationDate="2019-02-13T08:22:25.723" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18385" PostId="2349" Score="3" Text="A couple of related discussions:&#xA;@MarekMitros I am pretty sure that as a long time user you are aware of this, but for the benefit of others I'll add that comments accompanying downvotes have been discussed a few times: [Completely Unexplained Downvotes](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/398), [Should there be Anonymous Comments?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3984), [Can anyone learn anything from a downvote without an accompanying rationale in a comment?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3512)" CreationDate="2019-02-13T09:04:00.543" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="10809" PostId="2350" Score="2" Text="Thank you very much for your interesting answer. I try to revise that question." CreationDate="2015-07-10T12:04:41.683" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="10810" PostId="2350" Score="12" Text="@AliTaghavi: Another hint, as silly as it may look like: you have spent 3400 points on bounties, leaving only 47. This makes you look like a new user, and new user's questions are in general less likely to be given the benefit of the doubt if there are shortcomings in the formulation, if they are written in bad English, if they look like textbook exercises, etc.." CreationDate="2015-07-10T12:31:05.240" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10813" PostId="2350" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks a lot for your comment." CreationDate="2015-07-10T14:37:25.343" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="29521" PostId="2350" Score="0" Text="I agree with this answer. Context and motivation help a lot!" CreationDate="2024-01-25T21:00:00.980" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="15893" PostId="2351" Score="1" Text="Links to basic information about question and answer bans can also be found [in the post-ban tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/post-ban/info)." CreationDate="2018-01-24T06:23:48.170" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="10832" PostId="2352" Score="1" Text="Are the warning messages automated or do the moderators decide to notify the user?" CreationDate="2015-07-17T03:22:16.463" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="10833" PostId="2352" Score="2" Text="@MichaelAlbanese: Completely automated like the blocks themselves." CreationDate="2015-07-17T04:56:53.137" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="10816" PostId="2354" Score="0" Text="Downvotes cannot come from completely new users, as there is a reputation requirement for downvoting (150 as far as I recall)." CreationDate="2015-07-13T09:23:35.103" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="10817" PostId="2354" Score="2" Text="@TobiasKildetoft I know. I mean *fairly new* users." CreationDate="2015-07-13T09:42:51.837" UserDisplayName="user74059" />
  <row Id="10818" PostId="2354" Score="0" Text="I slightly disagree with your second point. One should add a polite *request* for explanation, not a *demand*, even a polite one. Avoiding giving an aggressive image of oneself is highly recommended if one wants helpful responses." CreationDate="2015-07-13T10:00:36.270" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10819" PostId="2354" Score="2" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Thanks for reminding the grammatical point. I edited the word. My mother tongue is Hebrew and sometimes it happens that I use wrong English words. However, I believe it is a very nice habit of voters to add explanations for their down-votes. It is also a part of poster's (informal) rights to know why his post is receiving down-votes because sometimes a non-well thought negative vote may cause a change in the fate of the question, in the sense that it may misguide the other users    to ignore the question or cast other inappropriate down votes." CreationDate="2015-07-13T10:55:19.953" UserDisplayName="user74059" />
  <row Id="10820" PostId="2354" Score="2" Text="I agree that the original poster should be told what is wrong with the question. Sometimes this explanation comes as a box explaining why the question was put on hold, and sometimes that is enough. If more detailed feedback is necessary, it should be given as a comment." CreationDate="2015-07-13T11:02:38.920" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="11089" PostId="2355" Score="0" Text="Dear Henry, I undeleted your question but it is up to the community to reopen it." CreationDate="2015-08-31T23:24:39.873" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11479" PostId="2355" Score="1" Text="Re-deleted 1 September 2015." CreationDate="2015-10-08T22:27:33.760" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="10821" PostId="2356" Score="2" Text="Here is a bunch of related older questions: [How can I add a diagram or picture to my questions?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/993/55893), [Diagrams in MathJax via xypic.js](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/988/55893), [How to include diagrams in MO?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2186/55893), [Please enable the AMScd package by default](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1389/55893). There are also some instructions at MSE meta: see [this](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/16888/166535) and [this](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/9401/166535)." CreationDate="2015-07-15T09:51:03.717" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10822" PostId="2356" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta: Thanks. I have already seen some of them. Could you convert the above lines to a graph?" CreationDate="2015-07-15T09:57:11.267" UserId="19075" />
  <row Id="10823" PostId="2356" Score="5" Text="Experimenting with diagrams in comments: $\require{AMScd}$\begin{CD}A @= A\\@V?VV @AA!A\\B @&gt;f&gt;&gt; C\end{CD} was produced by `$\require{AMScd}$\begin{CD}A @= A\\@V?VV @AA!A\\B @&gt;f&gt;&gt; C\end{CD}`" CreationDate="2015-07-15T12:25:32.660" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10824" PostId="2357" Score="0" Text="Can't you do two diagonal arrows to the instance of 7 just above 1?  Or is that the point of the question?  Gerhard &quot;Likes Getting To The Point&quot; Paseman, 2015.07.15" CreationDate="2015-07-15T21:49:28.420" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10825" PostId="2357" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman, unfortunately the package does not support diagonal arrows. These diagrams are easy to write and require no external tools, but they don't bend as far as one would hope. (There might be a more clever way of building the same diagram, but I doubt there is a solution with only arrows with this tool.)" CreationDate="2015-07-15T21:57:29.580" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10826" PostId="2357" Score="0" Text="OK.  While the equal signs are suggestive, I would replace them with undecorated arrows, get rid of the excess 7's, and decorate two of the arrows.  Gerhard &quot;Less Ink Is Better Ink&quot; Paseman, 2015.07.15" CreationDate="2015-07-15T22:20:10.873" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10827" PostId="2357" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman, I added another way to produce the diagram, now without any repeated numbers. The long arrows are not very pretty, but it looks prettier in a way without the equal signs." CreationDate="2015-07-16T09:46:48.313" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10828" PostId="2358" Score="7" Text="If you think [math.SE](http://math.stackexchange.com/) is more organized, can you try to explain how? Other math sites (that I know of) work in a different way and it's not easy to compare them." CreationDate="2015-07-16T16:35:39.210" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10830" PostId="2358" Score="0" Text="The color should be changed too." CreationDate="2015-07-16T18:41:31.427" UserId="74151" />
  <row Id="10829" PostId="2359" Score="0" Text="Okay I think the Gui is not cool, however i understand it shouldn't be about coolness but you can always try to make it better. We have many appealing Gui out there. Maybe i feel this alone but its okay. Yeah maybe they can improve the color." CreationDate="2015-07-16T18:35:36.140" UserId="74151" />
  <row Id="10831" PostId="2359" Score="0" Text="I am in agreements with this part(The colors in MO could be improved. It would be nice, for example, if links in comments were easier to recognize. The distinction between different colors could be more clear (also to users with limited color vision). )" CreationDate="2015-07-16T21:48:30.323" UserId="74151" />
  <row Id="10834" PostId="2360" Score="0" Text="&quot;The server can then serve the compiled version to the user agent,&quot; What exactly would this mean, in particular, what is &quot;the compiled version&quot; technically?" CreationDate="2015-07-18T12:15:51.087" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10835" PostId="2360" Score="0" Text="@quid: The compiled version is HTML+CSS." CreationDate="2015-07-18T13:02:21.023" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10836" PostId="2360" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification. I believe this would also have some downsides, but I do not feel quite competent on these things, so I will wait for others' opinions.  It might be interesting to know what the other large sites that use MathJax do." CreationDate="2015-07-18T13:58:43.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10837" PostId="2360" Score="7" Text="Is there a list of (some large) sites that use client-side and server-side MathJax? Comparison between existing examples might shed light on the pros and cons of the two options." CreationDate="2015-07-18T20:28:20.143" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10839" PostId="2360" Score="3" Text="From the description it seems that this can only output SVG or MathML, not the HTML-CSS that is currently the default here. MathML is not supported widely enough, and SVG looks worse, at least for me in Chrome on Windows." CreationDate="2015-07-20T07:32:21.213" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="10840" PostId="2360" Score="1" Text="@MadScientist: The package that I linked to is little more than an example for node.js.  It basically calls the original MathJax library, and it's hardly difficult to call the function that outputs HTML+CSS instead of MathML or SVG." CreationDate="2015-07-20T11:18:07.477" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10841" PostId="2360" Score="4" Text="@DmitriPavlov I took a quick look at the code, it doesn't look like HTML+CSS is an option. As far as I remember server-side rendering isn't possible with the old MathJax renderer, it needs certain measurements that are only available on the client browser." CreationDate="2015-07-20T11:23:06.310" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="10842" PostId="2360" Score="3" Text="I found the comment from a MathJax developer confirming that HTML+CSS doesn't work yet with the server-side version: http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/16809/a-mathjax-alternative-from-khan-academy#comment62132_16817" CreationDate="2015-07-20T11:30:59.017" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="10843" PostId="2360" Score="0" Text="Could you please clarify the status of your comment &quot;The compiled version is HTML+CSS.&quot; It appears this is not quite clear or precise (at least it seems there is a choice to be made). In addition, even if it were so, would this switch then deprive us of the possibility to choose between (HTML+CSS), MathML , SVG locally?" CreationDate="2015-07-20T11:57:05.383" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10844" PostId="2360" Score="0" Text="@quid: MathJax can compile to several output formats: HTML+CSS, MathML, SVG.  The first one works on all browsers (unlike MathML), so it makes sense to compile to it.  As for the “possibility to choose” I don't see why one should bother about which format to choose if the outputs are identical." CreationDate="2015-07-20T12:34:47.687" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10845" PostId="2360" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist: The comment is almost a year old, so it might not reflect the current state of affairs." CreationDate="2015-07-20T12:40:45.883" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10846" PostId="2360" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist: As for “it needs certain measurements that are only available on the client browser”, another comment in your link seems to indicate that this was (or will be?) rectified in a newer version of MathJax." CreationDate="2015-07-20T12:42:22.260" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="10847" PostId="2360" Score="4" Text="@DmitriPavlov You can check the current status of the new HTML engine if you select FastHTML as the renderer on MathJax here on the site. It is still missing many features and breaks in many cases." CreationDate="2015-07-20T12:48:36.087" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="10848" PostId="2360" Score="2" Text="Yes, I know there are several possibilities in principle (which should be evident from my comment). Indeed, this  is why I originally asked what &quot;the compiled version&quot; is supposed to mean (how can one know what is even meant?). It now seems that  it is not at all clear that what you proposed even would work. Leaving aside that it would limit users' choice; I think there are some that prefer MathML. As said I do not know all the technicalities, but I suppose the different options are not only offered &quot;for fun&quot; so there ought to be some difference in some circumstances. Maybe update the post." CreationDate="2015-07-20T12:52:43.110" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="16038" PostId="2360" Score="1" Text="There is this feature request on meta.SE by @MadScientist which seems related: [Implement server-side MathJax rendering](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/268308)." CreationDate="2018-03-12T06:55:49.793" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16047" PostId="2360" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov, I agree this would be great. I'd suggest creating an entire new post, probably best on meta.stackexchange.com, emphasising that the new version allows HTML+CSS output." CreationDate="2018-03-14T01:09:41.430" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="10838" PostId="2362" Score="2" Text="+1 for &quot;more suitable SE site&quot;.  Some questions on numerical methods should be in MO, others not." CreationDate="2015-07-19T12:38:11.600" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="10849" PostId="2363" Score="6" Text="For various topics below the line in your figure, there are concurring sites&#xA;-- e.g. [math.SE](http://math.stackexchange.com/), [stats.SE](http://stats.stackexchange.com/),&#xA;[physics.SE](http://physics.stackexchange.com/), [Physics Overflow](http://www.physicsoverflow.org/),&#xA;[cstheory.SE](http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/), while -- besides mailing lists -- there are&#xA;likely not so many good alternative places to ask advanced questions on, say,&#xA;group theory, number theory or algebraic geometry." CreationDate="2015-07-22T12:46:03.613" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="10850" PostId="2363" Score="7" Text="What's the significance of the dark gray area?" CreationDate="2015-07-22T12:56:58.490" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="10851" PostId="2363" Score="10" Text="@GerryMyerson Confidence interval (at 95%) for the linear regression parameters (vide http://docs.ggplot2.org/current/stat_smooth.html)." CreationDate="2015-07-22T14:04:10.133" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="10852" PostId="2363" Score="1" Text="When you count &quot;logic&quot; on MathOverflow, do you also count [set-theory] and other related tags which often appear without the [lo.logic] tag?" CreationDate="2015-07-22T14:16:03.400" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10853" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila [tag:lo.logic] -&gt; `logic`. I use only arXiv tags." CreationDate="2015-07-22T14:37:39.883" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="10854" PostId="2363" Score="1" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/6292/" CreationDate="2015-07-22T14:41:34.897" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="10856" PostId="2363" Score="3" Text="I think that you're missing out on a substantial part of MathOverflow, then. I think that including more tags (which I'm sure are relevant to other fields, not just logic) might change the outcome, perhaps for more than one topic." CreationDate="2015-07-22T15:05:18.537" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10857" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I stick to arXiv tags as otherwise mapping would be hard, inconsequential or not 1-1. Of course, it is possible that different fields have different levels of diligence (use of at least 1 arXiv tag is highly advised)." CreationDate="2015-07-22T15:29:18.347" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="10858" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="Out the the ~2100 set theory questions, only ~750 have the logic tag. This means that however many questions that you counted under logic, there are significantly more. And I am *more* than certain this situation is not uncommon in other fields. The arXiv tags are not as used as they were five years ago. For better and for worse." CreationDate="2015-07-22T15:33:21.437" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10859" PostId="2363" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila So, do you have a better idea to make a systematic mapping of questions to arXiv fields? (Some may be to more than one, some may be to none - especially not research-level questions (which are discouraged, but happen nonetheless).)" CreationDate="2015-07-22T15:55:48.280" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="10860" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="It should be possible to poll which tag have only set theory, and not lo.logic, I guess. And you should be able to have these sort of tag grouping. Like one or two dominant tags for each topic." CreationDate="2015-07-22T16:01:08.390" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10861" PostId="2363" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila Sure, I can single out `set-theory` with no effort. But what about all other tags? (And I prefer to have a uniform undercounting rather than manual and subjective case-by-case approach, generating artifacts.)" CreationDate="2015-07-23T07:31:11.653" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="10862" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="Piotr, I'd write a code that accepts a list of tags. Then poll the community for help, or at least look what are the top 1-2 tags used in conjunction with each arXiv tag. But you should also take into account what quid wrote in the answer below, especially the last point." CreationDate="2015-07-23T08:05:28.307" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10863" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="A different option along the lines of what @Asaf proposes: go through the list of tags by popularity. Those that seem to fit clearly an arXiv category take into account there (avoidind double counts); forget the rest; stop when you are tired of it. Like, real-analysis should go to ca.analysis-and-ode graph-theory to co.combinatorics; yet matrices is likely too vague to go anywhere." CreationDate="2015-07-23T10:33:07.003" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10864" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="@quid It does not look like a good solution (i.e. is going to get worse results than current), since there will be a systematic bias for tag popularity. Second, I am not research-level mathematicians (so I lack the competence to annotate). Third, I would rather exclude topics which are related to a given field but do not constitute content for possible publications on arXiv. Especially when a given tag can be mapped to many different fields (e.g. [tag:matrices])." CreationDate="2015-07-23T11:01:20.840" UserId="9093" />
  <row Id="10865" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="The bias towards large tags this would create is a problem, I agree. I think there is a trade-off between such biases and the one I raised in my final point." CreationDate="2015-07-23T12:38:10.870" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10870" PostId="2363" Score="2" Text="its natural for there to be a difference &amp; to expect one, because `mathoverflow` and stackexchange in general is not really a site for presenting _new_ research aka _terra incognita_, but instead to work with _existing_ research aka _terra cognita_. short Q/A by experts/ general internet audience is much different than long-form papers by experts/ academics. one would expect the users/ audiences to be somewhat different/ overlapping also." CreationDate="2015-07-23T20:57:50.370" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="10855" PostId="2365" Score="7" Text="Yes, I think that is the most important argument: **&quot;if the general tag is missing, they might never see the question&quot;**." CreationDate="2015-07-22T15:04:59.593" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="10866" PostId="2365" Score="1" Text="Agreed, usually, two top level tags, and a specific tag belonging to a different general tag, to indicate approach to the problem, if not in those categories. Only then, if any slots remain (often not), fill in a slot with a specific tag belonging to one of the general subjects tagged. Then the question arrives to the right readers." CreationDate="2015-07-23T14:21:19.843" UserId="58777" />
  <row Id="13236" PostId="2367" Score="5" Text="Now published in *Amer. Math. Monthly*, May 2016, vol.123, no.5 pp.491-496." CreationDate="2016-06-04T00:43:58.403" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10875" PostId="2371" Score="21" Text="The trouble was, I gather, that people don't know what 'research mathematics' is: often students (or just people generally) trying to find stuff out, i.e. 'researching' a topic, would ask questions (and this is still the case). I hold myself to be a professional research mathematician even though I hold a corporate job that does not use my skills in that area." CreationDate="2015-07-24T02:15:25.730" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10876" PostId="2371" Score="0" Text="I agree that the term &quot;research mathematics&quot; is rather open ended, and could convey very different things to different people. Perhaps there is a better alternative; in any case, any one sentence description is bound to be incomplete. But the &quot;professional mathematicians&quot; description is simply false! You hold yourself to be a professional mathematician (as do I, though I moved into neuroscience), but I assume there are many people who we'd permit, even encourage, to use the site, who do not? Am I wrong here?" CreationDate="2015-07-24T02:23:06.833" UserId="492" />
  <row Id="10878" PostId="2371" Score="2" Text="How about, &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for the kind of mathematics that professional mathematicians do&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-07-24T05:36:05.517" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="10879" PostId="2371" Score="2" Text="@Gerry: If someone pays their five years old niece to sit down and learn basic arithmetics. Is she now considered a mathematician by profession, and if so, can she ask questions on MathOverflow about calculating $124\times 3$? :-)" CreationDate="2015-07-24T07:22:45.737" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10880" PostId="2371" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson it ought to be a group of persons as it is the value of the variable &quot;target audience&quot; that is displayed there. Now one could do something similar with a group too like &quot;persons with skills comparable to professional mathematicians.&quot; But either way I feel such constructs  rather draw more attention to this and are ultimately worse." CreationDate="2015-07-24T09:00:30.397" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10882" PostId="2371" Score="21" Text="&quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for people isomorphic to professional mathematicians.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-07-24T11:00:25.827" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="10900" PostId="2372" Score="0" Text="I suggest the option &quot;professional mathematics&quot; to replace &quot;professional mathematicians&quot;.  We are more interested in controlling content than in controlling contributors.  I see it as a minor improvement on not excluding people by description.   Gerhard &quot;Or Perhaps Say 'Grant-Funded Mathematics'?&quot;  Paseman, 2015.07.24" CreationDate="2015-07-24T22:27:33.207" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10901" PostId="2372" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman there is &quot;target audience&quot; and &quot;on-topic&quot; the latter is research-level mathematics. To have &quot;professional mathematics&quot; as target *audience* just does not work so well, see:  &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematics. It's built and run by you as part of the Stack Exchange network of Q&amp;A sites. With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about research level mathematics.&quot; Okay, it is not terrible there but really not good either, and I think there are other places where it is worse." CreationDate="2015-07-24T22:43:46.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10902" PostId="2372" Score="0" Text="I agree that there is potential awkwardness (awkwardosity?) in my suggestion.  However, does it cost more than it gives in return?  I understand wanting to stick to type for the purpose of the templates, but such sticking to type may be even more expensive than the alternative.  Gerhard &quot;Be Individual In Your Conformity&quot; Paseman, 2015.07.24" CreationDate="2015-07-24T22:48:19.760" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10903" PostId="2372" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman IIRC, that paragraph used to be: 'MO is a Q&amp;A site for research mathematicians to ask questions about research-level mathematics.' it would then have read  'MO is a Q&amp;A site for research mathematics to ask questions about research-level mathematics.' which seems just impossible. My point is it is quite likely at some point somebody will write some template using {target audience} that just does not work if it is not a group of individuals. (Maybe there even is one 'live' but I do not know.)" CreationDate="2015-07-24T23:02:53.023" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10904" PostId="2372" Score="2" Text="It is also not quite clear to me why this is such a relatively big deal here. For example (my emphasis) [math.se] is for people studying math at any level and **professionals** in related fields." CreationDate="2015-07-24T23:07:37.000" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10913" PostId="2376" Score="0" Text="AFAIK &quot;to keep the site operational&quot; hardly any funds should be needed as the main infrastructure is provided *for free* by SE. (There should be some  costs though, e.g., for the domain names.)" CreationDate="2015-07-29T12:05:56.640" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10914" PostId="2376" Score="1" Text="@quid, I know the main infrastructure is free (if I understood correctly), but there probably are some running costs and I have no idea how well the income is adjusted to them. And there might be something useful MO could do if it had more money. A good answer to this question should explain what the money would be used for if one can and should give some." CreationDate="2015-07-29T12:55:09.007" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10915" PostId="2376" Score="0" Text="While I assumed you are aware of it, it is not clear if everybody reading this knows that there are no hosting costs to be covered &quot;by MO&quot; as this is provided by SE. As I said there should be some costs (I mentioned the costs for the URLs and some legal fees got mentioned in the post you link to). As regards promotion, over time a couple of things got discussed. And, at the latest ICM some material (donated by SE, IIRC) was distributed by a volunteer user. However, it is my understanding that the true bottleneck is not money but time (which might be why  donating in not [yet] possible?)." CreationDate="2015-07-29T13:59:18.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10921" PostId="2376" Score="0" Text="Maybe someone knows: can the nonprofit status be jeopardized if it *doesn't* receive donations?" CreationDate="2015-07-31T16:08:40.420" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="10923" PostId="2376" Score="5" Text="@GeraldEdgar: No. Besides doing things against IRS rules for nonprofits (e.g. directly contributing to political campaigns), the main way to lose nonprofit status is to forget to file form 990 each year, which we have always done on time." CreationDate="2015-08-01T13:40:43.760" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="10916" PostId="2377" Score="5" Text="&quot;sponsoring people promoting the site at conferences&quot;: Aside from legal fees, this seems to be the primary need &amp; use of funding. It would be great if there could be an annual presence at the major conferences, [ICM](http://www.icm2014.org/), [JMM](http://jointmathematicsmeetings.org/jmm), etc." CreationDate="2015-07-30T23:05:54.263" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="10922" PostId="2378" Score="2" Text="You should have applied for the &quot;community relations&quot; job that François had once posted. :-)" CreationDate="2015-08-01T10:42:27.673" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10925" PostId="2378" Score="0" Text="Actually, I decided to roll my own.  I've discovered that community relations done properly is a job for more than one person.  However, I consult some board members before acting.  Gerhard &quot;Willing To Crowdsource Community Relations&quot; Paseman, 2015.08.01" CreationDate="2015-08-02T01:14:36.897" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10938" PostId="2378" Score="1" Text="Well, Gerhard, the position is still open and after this long, we would be happy with partial fulfillment, especially with the promise of gathering further people to do the job!" CreationDate="2015-08-04T04:10:34.900" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="10939" PostId="2378" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais If this is in regards to 1599 on tea.mathoverflow.net, then I may be able to get something started.  If there has been a different announcement, perhaps I should read that before going too far.  Gerhard &quot;Hopes Being One Of Many&quot; Paseman, 2015.08.04" CreationDate="2015-08-04T14:08:45.343" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="10941" PostId="2378" Score="0" Text="That's the only posting." CreationDate="2015-08-05T12:56:27.927" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11094" PostId="2379" Score="0" Text="Can you estimate when the fundraising campaign would take place? Not that I'm in a hurry, but it would be nice to have a rough idea. [Don't worry about the delay. The matter is not urgent and this comment was delayed quite a bit. And congratulations for the reason for the delay!]" CreationDate="2015-09-01T15:17:51.523" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="11106" PostId="2379" Score="2" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta: We're still working on getting some of the necessary background stuff in place. We were hoping to be done with that by September but a few things have been delayed. Thank you for your patience!" CreationDate="2015-09-03T18:23:04.917" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="10927" PostId="2380" Score="0" Text="Just like Electric Light Orchestra once said &quot;Eeeevil scrollbar (tanananana) eeeevilll scrollbar (tananana ta!) Eeeevil scroooollbaaarrrr...&quot;; but also, can you get a screenshot?" CreationDate="2015-08-02T13:52:02.470" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10928" PostId="2380" Score="3" Text="+1 for deducing that the scrollbar is evil." CreationDate="2015-08-02T15:42:33.227" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="10929" PostId="2380" Score="0" Text="That's odd. Did you try to &quot;inspect element&quot; and see if there's any foul play in the computation of the CSS rules?" CreationDate="2015-08-02T15:48:56.160" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10930" PostId="2380" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I added the inspect element display." CreationDate="2015-08-02T16:17:45.303" UserId="62135" />
  <row Id="10932" PostId="2380" Score="1" Text="Do you happen to be zoomed in/out? `Ctrl + 0` will reset zoom to 100%." CreationDate="2015-08-03T11:42:37.820" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="10933" PostId="2380" Score="0" Text="@Oded I zoom because the screen is tiny and I see poorly." CreationDate="2015-08-03T12:16:00.853" UserId="62135" />
  <row Id="10934" PostId="2380" Score="1" Text="@MattSamuel - I appreciate that - this is most likely the reason you see a scrollbar, however. The sites are not designed to be used with zoom, so scrollbars and other display issues can show up when zooming." CreationDate="2015-08-03T12:34:45.030" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="10935" PostId="2380" Score="0" Text="@Oded guess I'll just not click on it then!" CreationDate="2015-08-03T12:37:39.437" UserId="62135" />
  <row Id="10936" PostId="2380" Score="2" Text="So it turns out the scrollbar is a necessary evil, eh? :-)" CreationDate="2015-08-03T18:02:45.537" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10937" PostId="2380" Score="0" Text="Seems so. ${}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}$" CreationDate="2015-08-03T18:03:47.957" UserId="62135" />
  <row Id="10943" PostId="2380" Score="3" Text="@Oded: &quot;not designed to be used with zoom&quot; is somewhat humorous - of course zoom is one of the expected issues that a professionally designed site should be designed to handle!" CreationDate="2015-08-10T22:08:16.797" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="18293" PostId="2380" Score="1" Text="You have a lot of tabs." CreationDate="2019-02-01T22:46:35.253" UserId="132374" />
  <row Id="10944" PostId="2382" Score="0" Text="The site I use the most is MSE and I've had no problems with their interface." CreationDate="2015-08-10T22:16:35.300" UserId="62135" />
  <row Id="10965" PostId="2382" Score="0" Text="@Matt, Carl: Different sites have [slightly] different CSS templates (e.g. fonts, height of certain objects, etc.) which may cause this sort of discrepancy." CreationDate="2015-08-18T22:29:35.550" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10945" PostId="2383" Score="7" Text="Yes, just like before. And my user page &quot;About me&quot; is wildly misplaced." CreationDate="2015-08-10T23:23:21.997" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10946" PostId="2383" Score="5" Text="Aagh!${}{}{}{}$" CreationDate="2015-08-10T23:49:33.910" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="10947" PostId="2383" Score="7" Text="They better get those short-toed eagles now." CreationDate="2015-08-11T00:13:13.297" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10948" PostId="2383" Score="7" Text="Perhaps the colors have always been wrong and now they finally are right." CreationDate="2015-08-11T01:15:36.720" UserId="76593" />
  <row Id="10949" PostId="2383" Score="1" Text="@quid I don't get it." CreationDate="2015-08-11T01:20:44.787" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10950" PostId="2383" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble: if you click the Asaf's deja vu and read the comments, that'll clear the eagles!" CreationDate="2015-08-11T01:55:26.860" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="10951" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble and the summary of questions and so on is now single column, rather than two, for me." CreationDate="2015-08-11T02:25:00.920" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10952" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="@Shog9, are you there?" CreationDate="2015-08-11T02:26:09.250" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10953" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="I've written an email to the SE team. Wait for the cavalry to arrive..." CreationDate="2015-08-11T02:32:02.450" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10954" PostId="2383" Score="3" Text="I'm having a look - stay tuned." CreationDate="2015-08-11T03:22:59.503" UserId="35551" />
  <row Id="10955" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="@quid: I told them not to use the gorillas. That's what happens! :-)" CreationDate="2015-08-11T05:30:21.740" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10956" PostId="2383" Score="2" Text="They seem fixed to me now." CreationDate="2015-08-11T08:54:22.260" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10957" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="@David: Yes, it looks that way." CreationDate="2015-08-11T11:40:53.923" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10958" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="It seems they are messed again!!" CreationDate="2015-08-11T22:23:18.477" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="10959" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="@Suvrit: I don't see it." CreationDate="2015-08-11T22:25:59.613" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10960" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="Weird, they seem off to me, though not as off as yesterday. Maybe I'm hallucinating or maybe this is some CSS issue..." CreationDate="2015-08-12T00:03:16.137" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="10961" PostId="2384" Score="6" Text="A couple related feature requests on Meta Stack Exchange: [Private tags or other private searchable annotations](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/129366), and [Private notes on questions?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/76759)." CreationDate="2015-08-14T10:17:36.430" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="14385" PostId="2384" Score="1" Text="There is also this related feature request on the main meta: [Favorites improvements - search, categorize, personal tags, add note, favorite answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/75944)" CreationDate="2017-05-17T04:28:24.840" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27919" PostId="2384" Score="1" Text="This is now partially implemented - there is a new feature called saves. So one can split the saved questions and answers into several lists. AFAICT it is not possible to have the same post in several lists. And no possibility of a private comment, either. (Here is another related question on this meta: [Any chance of a &quot;save for later / TODO&quot; feature?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1601))" CreationDate="2022-10-26T05:55:10.393" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14852" PostId="2385" Score="3" Text="Minor clarification: it later turned out that the title question had been answered by Steven Givant in his 1975 thesis. So the novelty in the the arxiv preprint is the weakening of the hypothesis, which was suggested as an afterthought in the MO question." CreationDate="2017-09-02T20:31:32.333" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="10962" PostId="2386" Score="15" Text="It is good you posted this, not only to ask for help and correct inefficiencies, but also to let others know that your bumping old questions to the front page is for a very worthy cause." CreationDate="2015-08-18T12:09:46.123" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10964" PostId="2386" Score="9" Text="pretty much all the web-recoverable ImageShack images are now fixed (copied to imgur), leaving those that require intervention from the OP" CreationDate="2015-08-18T17:51:49.347" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="10967" PostId="2386" Score="3" Text="Thanks very much for your work on this!" CreationDate="2015-08-19T11:52:58.617" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="10978" PostId="2386" Score="0" Text="Although we are the main ones effected, I pretty sure this concerns all of SE. I think this should be migrated to SE meta." CreationDate="2015-08-24T03:37:03.427" UserId="65915" />
  <row Id="10979" PostId="2386" Score="0" Text="@PyRulez: [It's already been reported there.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/263771/ban-imageshack-images-because-they-are-reusing-old-urls-for-advertising) I guess I could turn part of this post into an answer there, though." CreationDate="2015-08-24T09:36:50.873" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="10968" PostId="2388" Score="3" Text="Just click on the arrow once more (but beware there’s a timeout)." CreationDate="2015-08-19T16:05:57.703" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="10969" PostId="2388" Score="2" Text="If you cancel the upvote, you cannot upvote again. And canceling is only possible within a narrow time window (a minute?). If you can no longer remove your vote and think it would be important to do so, add another comment instead and explain what is wrong with the other one." CreationDate="2015-08-19T16:15:05.893" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="10970" PostId="2389" Score="3" Text="I see. Still 60 seconds... I mean, I have 5 minutes to edit my comment, why only 1 minute to, say, notice an accidental click to undo it? But this question has obviously nothing to do with your clarifying answer, thanks!" CreationDate="2015-08-19T18:54:35.287" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="10971" PostId="2389" Score="6" Text="Depending on what the comment says, on MO a comment upvote often means &quot;this comment is mathematically correct&quot;. As one may find an error a considerable time later and as a wrong comment with many upvotes is likely to confuse readers, I think it would be helpful to allow withdrawing a comment upvote also after 60 seconds have passed." CreationDate="2015-08-21T09:46:35.407" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11052" PostId="2389" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Only saw your comment now. Quite convincing!" CreationDate="2015-08-30T08:28:04.140" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="10973" PostId="2390" Score="0" Text="The bug also occurs in Chrome." CreationDate="2015-08-21T18:19:23.290" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="10983" PostId="2390" Score="6" Text="Is this different from http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1148/the-math-its-overflowing ?" CreationDate="2015-08-25T17:24:34.073" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10984" PostId="2390" Score="3" Text="@quid I agree, that is the same." CreationDate="2015-08-25T17:32:03.063" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="10981" PostId="2392" Score="3" Text="You can also try [this](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1967/interesting-and-not-sufficiently-answered-questions-on-math-se)." CreationDate="2015-08-24T11:59:25.373" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10986" PostId="2394" Score="0" Text="While I agree it is annoying, here are two points: (1) the saved answer thing is saved on *the server*, not in your browser. So if you wrote that logged out and then logged in but had to leave the page, there's no reason to expect the answer to be preserved. (2) If you generally disable cookies, you shouldn't really complain when website which essentially use cookies from several domains won't work in a consistent and designed manner." CreationDate="2015-08-26T07:34:20.697" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="10985" PostId="2396" Score="4" Text="I hope none of my edits distorted what was meant." CreationDate="2015-08-25T23:17:22.453" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="10990" PostId="2396" Score="9" Text="The difference in feedback between MO and MSE is quite interesting. (See here, http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/21250/math-review-proposal-on-area-51)" CreationDate="2015-08-27T15:58:34.130" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11003" PostId="2396" Score="2" Text="Tangentially related: it would be really nice to have a &quot;matherrata.org&quot; that was searchable by book/article title." CreationDate="2015-08-27T19:17:52.593" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="11004" PostId="2396" Score="2" Text="there is http://mathbooknotes.wikia.com/wiki/Math_Book_Notes_Wiki , It is a very good place to register the erros one finds. If no discussion is needed one might go there directly. Unfortunately there is no mathjax. Or maybe it is that I have not managed to use it properly" CreationDate="2015-08-27T19:22:08.673" UserId="60450" />
  <row Id="11225" PostId="2396" Score="1" Text="@SteveHuntsman In [this posts](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/21257/8297) I provide some links to similar project. In particular, there was this question on MO: [Errata database?](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/3038/errata-database) However, the links given there seem go to abandoned projects. If I did not miss something, the only one which is alive is the Math Book Notes Wiki, which is linked also in the previous comment." CreationDate="2015-09-18T10:25:35.627" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="11227" PostId="2396" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, Thank you for your interest and care for the subject. As you answered in the MSE post on meta questions that are obvious typos should go to the Math Book Notes Wiki and questions that retain math troubles are suitable for discussion in the forum of MSE. Therefore I created the tag Math-review and however it does not reach all its possibilities That's already a good beginning. Thank you again!" CreationDate="2015-09-18T12:24:14.697" UserId="60450" />
  <row Id="12843" PostId="2396" Score="0" Text="_nice!_ how about a site that also supports &quot;study groups&quot; that try to attack very difficult/ hard to understand papers and attempt to &quot;flesh out&quot; in detail sections that are too thin/ brief. also would like to add in CS (esp areas with heavy math focus). see also [are research papers hard to read?](http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/3873/are-research-papers-hard-to-read) / [cstheory.se]" CreationDate="2016-04-08T15:21:15.957" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="13438" PostId="2396" Score="1" Text="It is probably worth mentioning that [Math Review proposal](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/90443/math-review) has been [closed](http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/5798/closing-a-proposal-after-1-year-in-definition-or-commitment)." CreationDate="2016-08-27T07:19:07.110" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="10995" PostId="2398" Score="0" Text="Likewise........" CreationDate="2015-08-27T17:42:38.233" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="11011" PostId="2398" Score="0" Text="Paging @TimPost" CreationDate="2015-08-28T00:18:13.587" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11013" PostId="2398" Score="3" Text="It could be more efficient to write an email to Tim Post (see his profile for it) or perhaps to the SE team via &quot;Contact Us&quot; for instance. In any case your last comment has essentially no effect as it will not notify. I vaguely recall that Tim Post now has a different role in SE, which might explain the delay." CreationDate="2015-08-28T08:46:18.043" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11031" PostId="2398" Score="0" Text="@quid Post's profile at meta.stackechange still says community involvement, so I assumed this was a relevant position. But you are right regarding email SE directly, which will get the attention of the correct people." CreationDate="2015-08-29T01:11:17.067" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11035" PostId="2398" Score="1" Text="In his profile he says that he is &quot;Director of Stack Overflow Communities;&quot; note it says &quot;Overflow&quot; not &quot;Exchange&quot; (in contrast to plenty others). I believe he now is focused on the SO sites only, trying to get more different language sites running. But this is a bit tangential speculation." CreationDate="2015-08-29T10:15:01.347" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11091" PostId="2398" Score="1" Text="Thanks for your initiative on this matter. I hope those interested will soon receive their goods. And then I hope for some photos of the fellow MOers with the new gear. :-)" CreationDate="2015-09-01T10:27:01.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11098" PostId="2398" Score="1" Text="There are actually a few photos of such members on the ICM2014 website.  For the mere cost of an (authenticated) photo of yourself (with your face), I'll be happy to comb the site and send you links.  Gerhard &quot;Quite Willing To Scratch Backs&quot; Paseman, 2015.09.02" CreationDate="2015-09-02T15:59:45.030" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11100" PostId="2398" Score="0" Text="Gerhard, you are a card!" CreationDate="2015-09-02T21:36:39.363" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11142" PostId="2398" Score="4" Text="Hey everyone. Sorry about the delay. We are submitting orders now to get everything we need restocked, and will get everything shipped out to you guys whenever that stuff reaches our warehouse. I don't have an exact timeline, but I'll follow up here again once we get the stuff in." CreationDate="2015-09-08T18:34:27.697" UserId="69903" />
  <row Id="11145" PostId="2398" Score="1" Text="@animuson What about possible address changes?" CreationDate="2015-09-09T06:57:42.767" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="11146" PostId="2398" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft If you (or anyone else) need to update your address, send shoot me an email (my display name @stackoverflow.com) with your new details and I'll update it in the file." CreationDate="2015-09-09T07:01:12.940" UserId="69903" />
  <row Id="11147" PostId="2398" Score="1" Text="@animuson did you want to update the OP, so that it bumps, and people can see an official SE response?" CreationDate="2015-09-09T07:02:10.723" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="10994" PostId="2399" Score="8" Text="Is the e.g. a real example? can you link to some old MO questions you refer to? In any case, My view is that early graduate level questions are ok for MO." CreationDate="2015-08-27T17:21:16.380" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="10996" PostId="2399" Score="3" Text="The other meta-question you link to is quite different. That question asks about answering questions deemed as off-topic by the person that might answer. You by contrast ask what is on/off-topic. The word &quot;research level&quot; is  a bit of a red herring." CreationDate="2015-08-27T17:48:34.643" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="10997" PostId="2399" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai I added quite a bit more detailed and asked successfully on MO - but not answers quite yet. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/215775/asymptotic-int-m-mathrmexp-mathbfe-leftn-fract2-pi-i-right-lef" CreationDate="2015-08-27T17:55:39.507" UserId="1358" />
  <row Id="10999" PostId="2399" Score="1" Text="Good luck! The question seems certainly appropriate. I was wondering about the question &quot;What is the pullback of the line bundle $\mathcal{O}_{\mathbb{P}^4}(n)$ to the surface $M$?&quot; I could not find it." CreationDate="2015-08-27T18:03:39.137" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11033" PostId="2399" Score="2" Text="Let me just say that one should not underestimate MSE. In algebraic geometry at least (relevant to these examples) there are many strong contributors who would certainly handle both the hypothetical example question above and the actual question you posted at http://mathoverflow.net/questions/215775/asymptotic-int-m-mathrmexp-mathbfe-leftn-fract2-pi-i-right-lef If you want to avoid &quot;policing&quot; then it might work better just to ask at MSE first." CreationDate="2015-08-29T07:41:07.417" UserId="75616" />
  <row Id="11043" PostId="2399" Score="1" Text="Some questions do well on MO and others don't, and probably there are reasons for this, but &quot;research level&quot; or lack of it is just one aspect among many. Quite a few very popular questions are well below research level in any possible interpretation of the term." CreationDate="2015-08-29T16:20:11.120" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="11134" PostId="2399" Score="0" Text="related: [Are professional Physicists, Computer Scientists, Engineers, Economists… not allowed to ask questions at MO?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1654/)" CreationDate="2015-09-08T05:12:30.363" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="13218" PostId="2399" Score="2" Text="Graduate level is under-defined. For example my university re-coded 1/4  the math units I took as an undergraduate as part of graduate courses, making there textbook arguably graduate-level books. It varies by country and by  university." CreationDate="2016-06-02T02:26:41.873" UserId="8800" />
  <row Id="10998" PostId="2401" Score="11" Text="I would say it is clear, and yet so many people get it wrong.  The &quot;police&quot; on MathOverflow put so many questions on hold these days.  Sometimes I am not sure why." CreationDate="2015-08-27T17:57:06.347" UserId="1358" />
  <row Id="11000" PostId="2401" Score="18" Text="&quot;can ask for help about points that confuse them, provided that they make serious effort to think about&quot; I agree, but want to stress that it is important not only that the asker made the effort but also that they *document this effort* in some way when phrasing the question." CreationDate="2015-08-27T18:13:24.903" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11001" PostId="2401" Score="1" Text="I've always felt that the dividing line should be at the level of a strong graduate student entering the second year (and having the sense to know when a question is not one they can easily answer themselves). With this line, some GTMs would be totally off limits, while others would be totally acceptable." CreationDate="2015-08-27T19:11:14.317" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="11007" PostId="2401" Score="2" Text="Neil, @Steve, what does GTM stand for?" CreationDate="2015-08-27T21:13:38.383" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11008" PostId="2401" Score="5" Text="@Asaf, Graduate Text in Mathematics (I think)." CreationDate="2015-08-27T23:10:45.483" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="11009" PostId="2401" Score="7" Text="@Gerry, Thanks Mate. Also GTM." CreationDate="2015-08-28T00:04:59.940" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11025" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="It might be especially good to hear from people who are active at the review queues such as &quot;Close Votes&quot;. Without running numbers, my impression is that this is a smallish group relative to the size of community, but often very active, and the impact of this small group on MO can be pretty big. Perhaps some numbers can be run on this, to give an idea." CreationDate="2015-08-28T21:10:59.347" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11026" PostId="2403" Score="5" Text="It may also be good to hear explanations of why people choose *not* to close a question, even when others have voted to close, or who may regret when an interesting question is closed." CreationDate="2015-08-28T21:29:05.960" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="11027" PostId="2403" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble From the about 29k close reviews about a third was done by the top 4 reviewers, and the top 8 collectively did about one half of all reviews. Some more details could be derived from the [review-stats page](http://mathoverflow.net/review/close/stats)." CreationDate="2015-08-28T21:35:51.223" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11028" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins as I said statements like (added emphasis) &quot;I think it is reasonable to vote to close a question when [...] yet rather **not when** [...]&quot; are also welcome. I would still prefer if this Q&amp;A stayed a bit focused on collecting motivations for *actions* (as opposed to general considerations why no action should be taken or even more why actions taken by others are not so good). Of course, there is also the action of voting &quot;leave open&quot; or voting &quot;reopen.&quot; If somebody wants to report on this too they are welcome (I will include this in OP)." CreationDate="2015-08-28T21:45:39.700" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11029" PostId="2403" Score="1" Text="I'm not quite sure what kind of answer you're looking for.  For example, I vote to close if the problem seems very obviously ill suited to me (using a high threshold for badness, if that makes sense), or if it is in an area that I know well and then I judge it using a lower threshold (since I am much more confident of my judgement).  Usually I skip doubtful questions in areas far from me, rather than voting to close or leave open. Probably this comment is too vague and general to be useful?" CreationDate="2015-08-28T23:02:01.447" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="11030" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="@Lucia mainly I just want users to record their thought-process when voting to close; in that sense your comment qualifies as an answer. However, it could be still more useful if you could describe what &quot;ill suited&quot; means to you." CreationDate="2015-08-28T23:22:12.837" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11032" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="Something like: &quot;I vote to close questions that are clearly at the level of exercises in a first-year graduate course or lower; this requires me to be familiar enough with the subject matter. When a question looks like it might be an exercise but it's in an area I don't know well (so I'm not certain), then I will not vote to close even when there are already some recorded close votes.&quot; ?" CreationDate="2015-08-29T03:06:21.407" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="11036" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="@ArturoMagidin yes, like this. Perhaps I should have given an own answer right away as illustration." CreationDate="2015-08-29T10:28:15.823" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11048" PostId="2403" Score="5" Text="I am a little concerned with how this thread is turning out.  One of the users who has been active provided an answer, which met with some disagreement.  Nothing wrong with that of course, but there seems to be some subtext that users should not perhaps be so active on closing questions.  I can see the point of that too, but perhaps then it would be good to have a discussion of how much any one individual should participate on the review queues." CreationDate="2015-08-29T17:06:58.760" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="11049" PostId="2403" Score="2" Text="@Lucia indeed this is unfortunate. I am sorry it happened. I asked explicitly that &quot;why actions taken by others are not so good&quot; is not made the point of this thread. Of course this can be discussed. However, this thread is/was intended as a collection of data, with the potential to inform future discussion." CreationDate="2015-08-29T19:28:35.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11050" PostId="2403" Score="1" Text="My opinion is that there is a topological moral here. A question should be closed precisely by people whose areas of expertise are complementary to the area of the question." CreationDate="2015-08-29T20:00:25.320" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="11452" PostId="2403" Score="1" Text="I asked the dual form of this question on meta: [**What makes you vote to open a question?**](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2520/what-makes-you-vote-to-open-a-question)" CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:14:23.533" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="25061" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="I would like to know what influenced users to vote to close https://mathoverflow.net/questions/383347/sign-of-rows-of-latin-square-equals-sign-of-columns" CreationDate="2021-02-12T21:53:42.187" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="11053" PostId="2410" Score="1" Text="At the time it was closed the &quot;historical lock&quot; was not yet available on MO (it became available on MO only with the switch to the network end of June 2013, IIRC). What's more, at some point there was some initiative to use this lock on such questions which caused quite some upset by some in favor of such questions. So, its use never caught on and indeed most of the few use-cases were undone. Sometimes now &quot;protect&quot; is used instead of close (which was also not available at that point in time)." CreationDate="2015-08-30T09:51:46.540" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11054" PostId="2410" Score="0" Text="Well I accepted the answer but I still regret this question most likely will not `appear on the front page as often`..." CreationDate="2015-08-30T10:01:14.303" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11055" PostId="2410" Score="0" Text="@quid Thanks. I was never too familiar with the tools available before MO migrated to SE 2.0. And, indeed, there appears to be very few questions which are locked but not migrated, and many of _those_ seem to be rejected migrations." CreationDate="2015-08-30T10:02:39.013" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="11056" PostId="2410" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე You can always make a case for this question to be reopened in the [Requests for reopen votes](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/223) thread.. which, come to think of it, I should mention above." CreationDate="2015-08-30T10:03:50.023" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="11057" PostId="2410" Score="0" Text="I do not think it is a good idea to propose this in the &quot;request&quot; threads. There are maybe a dozen similar questions. Do we now open them all? Or one by one as they get pumped to the frontpage? (If somebody wants to propose this, fine, but this is not just a simple &quot;reopen request.&quot;)" CreationDate="2015-08-30T10:10:02.997" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11060" PostId="2410" Score="0" Text="@quid I agree that this question is unlikely to receive the required reopen votes even if requested. At the same time, an explicit request might yield a better sense of the community's opinion on that question, which might be illustrative to the OP." CreationDate="2015-08-30T11:39:00.357" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="11061" PostId="2410" Score="0" Text="@ArthurFischer actually, chances are it does get reopened at least initially, as the community opinion is quite mixed on these types of questions.  Posting it there could wake up sleeping dogs though...better avoided. See in particular [the discussion when locks were applied](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1026/drastic-locking-of-the-question-examples-of-common-false-beliefs-in-mathematics) to see what happens. Note in particular  that a moderator claims there such questions are &quot;on moderator management.&quot; (While there was only 1 closure, it seems really of this type.)" CreationDate="2015-08-30T11:52:36.930" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11058" PostId="2411" Score="0" Text="I see. Is there a form of [historical lock](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126587/what-is-a-historical-lock-and-what-is-it-used-for) that would somehow make the question naturally reappear for others to see or something like that?" CreationDate="2015-08-30T10:59:25.063" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11059" PostId="2411" Score="2" Text="For all I know there is no such thing. (Indeed, the existing historical lock makes the question a lot less visible.) However, the fact that such questions do not reappear that frequently is only in part due to them being closed. There is also the question which questions should even reappear. Some will not want to see this type of question at all." CreationDate="2015-08-30T11:05:31.167" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11062" PostId="2412" Score="0" Text="closed after less than a minute!" CreationDate="2015-08-30T13:01:25.463" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="11063" PostId="2412" Score="0" Text="To those with reputation of 10k or more, up until question no. 12, we should ignore the questions. But only 1 is not deleted!" CreationDate="2015-08-30T14:19:38.530" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11095" PostId="2412" Score="0" Text="I love that it looks like it took 4 years to realize that it's not a good, on-topic question for this site and shouldn't be used as evidence that one can ask similar questions here." CreationDate="2015-09-02T10:58:33.860" UserId="48859" />
  <row Id="11099" PostId="2412" Score="1" Text="I decided not to disobey - it is more interesting this way" CreationDate="2015-09-02T16:03:49.483" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11064" PostId="2413" Score="14" Text="More precisely, it serves to record the precise time when MathOverflow was born! (One could argue for different technical definitions of &quot;birth&quot; here, but the first post is a very reasonable one.)" CreationDate="2015-08-30T14:40:50.103" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11071" PostId="2413" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: Wouldn't then something like &quot;First question&quot; be a better title than &quot;Ignore this question&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-08-30T21:19:24.913" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11072" PostId="2413" Score="6" Text="@StefanKohl The usual tradition is to preserve historical records as they were, to the extent possible." CreationDate="2015-08-30T21:23:00.560" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11065" PostId="2414" Score="1" Text="I cast the last vote to undelete and also voted up the question so it doesn't get autodeleted again.  Let me also link http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2232/should-we-try-to-re-start-manual-deletions-or-is-the-situation-fine-anyway/2245#2245 to again draw people's attention to this general issue." CreationDate="2015-08-30T15:23:57.900" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="11073" PostId="2416" Score="6" Text="My own opinion is that it's fine to delete if you wish, before someone posts an answer. After someone posts an answer, it gets a lot stickier. I think you conveyed your appreciation well to the respondent; I think that's enough in this circumstance." CreationDate="2015-08-31T16:37:51.653" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11074" PostId="2416" Score="1" Text="If you think that someone else might benefit from the answer, it does no harm to leave the question on the site. You can ask the commenter to turn the comment into an answer or, if necessary, provide a CW answer yourself. If you think the question is unlikely to be worth anything to others, you can delete it as Todd suggests." CreationDate="2015-08-31T16:47:06.057" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="11075" PostId="2416" Score="0" Text="I deleted the question on mathoverflow. It still lives in math.se where it is probably appropriate." CreationDate="2015-08-31T16:48:42.520" UserId="5495" />
  <row Id="11076" PostId="2416" Score="3" Text="This is technically OT here but: in my mind it is more important you do something about the  [math.se] version: self-answer or delete, but please do not let the question just sit there unanswered." CreationDate="2015-08-31T17:04:19.460" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11077" PostId="2416" Score="3" Text="Yes that was always the plan. I'm just busy with a toddler arm." CreationDate="2015-08-31T18:25:18.937" UserId="5495" />
  <row Id="11080" PostId="2416" Score="0" Text="Toddler asleep, question updated: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1386382/sign-patterns-in-kernel-and-rowspace-of-a-matrix/1416164#1416164 Thanks for all your input.  Out of curiosity: Why don't you answer the question and we are having this discussion in the comments?" CreationDate="2015-08-31T18:47:15.577" UserId="5495" />
  <row Id="16417" PostId="2416" Score="0" Text="@Todd I prefer(at  least from now on) to not delete my question which  turns out trivial after a  comment. Because this would respect the  commenters help. But  I have  a  general question on the  philosophy and reason of  deletion:" CreationDate="2018-06-05T11:59:59.663" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="16418" PostId="2416" Score="0" Text="What would be happen if  all question would  remain forever?So no longer we see &quot;vote to  close&quot; by 5 participant?" CreationDate="2018-06-05T12:01:06.423" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="11078" PostId="2417" Score="0" Text="&quot;Has opinion changed from two years ago with this post?&quot; What *opinion* do you refer to? There are completely contradictory opinions voiced there." CreationDate="2015-08-31T18:28:36.793" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11079" PostId="2417" Score="0" Text="@quid Of course you are correct and it is edited. I am mostly wondering if anything much has been done since then." CreationDate="2015-08-31T18:40:04.300" UserId="76593" />
  <row Id="11081" PostId="2417" Score="3" Text="A question I would ask based on the 2-year old question is : What areas/aspects of mathematics are underrepresented on MO?" CreationDate="2015-08-31T18:52:36.227" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11082" PostId="2417" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai Fair enough. Shall I trim off the second question and you ask this question? I would be very interested in the answers." CreationDate="2015-08-31T19:49:07.303" UserId="76593" />
  <row Id="11083" PostId="2417" Score="0" Text="no need to trim off anything, but I can indeed ask it." CreationDate="2015-08-31T20:10:01.213" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11084" PostId="2418" Score="6" Text="The complementary question would be: &quot;What areas/aspects of mathematics are *overrepresented* on MO?&quot;." CreationDate="2015-08-31T20:22:06.813" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11085" PostId="2418" Score="12" Text="Dear Stefan,  I dont think this is a good &quot;complementary question,&quot; and, in any case, I did not ask it." CreationDate="2015-08-31T20:29:41.897" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11086" PostId="2418" Score="4" Text="I agree that to list things that are overrepresented is asking for trouble. Let us hope that on your question users will be more respectful regarding what you did not ask than we saw lately elsewhere. Other than that the [data comparing arXiv and MO](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2363/arxiv-vs-mathoverflow-popularity-of-disciplines) is a starting point." CreationDate="2015-08-31T20:52:58.473" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11087" PostId="2418" Score="1" Text="Dear quid, Since we do not have a limited capacity, I don't even understand the notion of &quot;over-representation&quot; in MO-context.  Larger scope and better covering of under-represented areas, may well be beneficial for those interested in well-represented area." CreationDate="2015-08-31T21:44:36.210" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11088" PostId="2418" Score="1" Text="I should have written &quot;perceived as overrepresented&quot; since my point was just to agree with you that it is better not to entertain the question what if anything might be overrepresented (as opposed to trying to hint at the existence of overrepresented areas/aspects). However, abstractly, I do not think that your argument that as we do not have a limited capacity this is entirely a non-issue is sound. I think would all of a sudden 300 combinatorics question appear each day, then you and I might like this but maybe some would find it harder to find the content they are interested in." CreationDate="2015-08-31T22:22:44.493" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11090" PostId="2418" Score="0" Text="We are in agreement, quid! When I talked about &quot;MO-context,&quot; I referred to the MO reality, and not abstractly." CreationDate="2015-09-01T07:46:38.587" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11096" PostId="2418" Score="0" Text="related question http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2363/454  we see Algebraic Geometry and Number Theory are above, while Mathematical Physics and Information Theory are below." CreationDate="2015-09-02T15:16:52.273" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="11107" PostId="2418" Score="2" Text="Possibly related? http://www.ams.org/notices/201011/rtx101101421p.pdf" CreationDate="2015-09-04T16:11:24.983" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="11112" PostId="2418" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow -- a causual glance suggests to me that the biases of PAMS, TAMS, and MO are significantly correlated. I would like to know what the numbers for SIAM journals do in comparison and in superposition." CreationDate="2015-09-04T19:41:04.730" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="11135" PostId="2418" Score="6" Text="Can all those not present raise your hands?" CreationDate="2015-09-08T14:34:46.797" UserId="76593" />
  <row Id="11093" PostId="2419" Score="0" Text="First off, thank you for your efforts. Have you considered doing this at a national level (AMS, CMS, other countries, etc.)? Do you have any additional services in mind?" CreationDate="2015-09-01T13:40:54.000" UserId="76593" />
  <row Id="11097" PostId="2419" Score="0" Text="@ChrisRamsey, short answers: yes and yes.  And you're welcome.  There is a volunteer position being formed, which I title &quot;Community Relations Czar&quot; (title may be changed), which is more likely to be shared among people.  Even if you want to be involved but not at a management level, let the moderators know and they will put us in touch with one another as appropriate.  I am willing to discuss my ideas with you, but not in comment fields or meta postings at this stage.  Gerhard &quot;'Despot For The People'?  Nah.&quot; Paseman, 2015.09.02" CreationDate="2015-09-02T15:50:51.300" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11105" PostId="2419" Score="1" Text="A shared title is more like a triumvir, less like a czar." CreationDate="2015-09-03T16:54:40.400" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="11153" PostId="2421" Score="1" Text="- Lol such meta" CreationDate="2015-09-10T06:28:15.233" UserId="45594" />
  <row Id="11092" PostId="2422" Score="7" Text="Where is your standard link this time? :-) More seriously, I agree with the observation. It might be hard to change though as some of the potential traffic is likely already firmly directed to other (SE) sites. Still I feel (or rather felt, I pay less attention lately) the site is sometimes unwelcoming to more applied questions, which is something that one might try to fix." CreationDate="2015-09-01T10:31:14.747" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11108" PostId="2422" Score="0" Text="Underrepresentation of applied mathematics was mentioned a few times back in the &quot;tea&quot; days, e.g., in this thread: http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1483/1/structural-bias-on-mathoverflow/" CreationDate="2015-09-04T16:13:17.007" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="11111" PostId="2422" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow: There's my standard link!" CreationDate="2015-09-04T19:28:49.257" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="24652" PostId="2422" Score="0" Text="The link in the above comment does not work at the moment, but it can be found [in the Wayback Machine](http://web.archive.org/web/20150910092307/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1483/1/structural-bias-on-mathoverflow/) or [on my copy](http://msleziak.com/mathoverflow/tea//discussion/1483/1/structural-bias-on-mathoverflow/)." CreationDate="2021-01-15T05:56:42.107" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="11109" PostId="2426" Score="3" Text="I am not sure how to answer the question you actually ask, but the following might address the underlying concern: http://stackexchange.com/users/current?tab=inbox shows all in-box items (no &quot;merge&quot; of items). You can also get there by clicking &quot;see all inbox items&quot; at the end of the dropdown from the topbar. A final remark: there is some delay with delete items. So a deleted comment might still show/count in the inbox, yet not on the site." CreationDate="2015-09-04T16:39:49.337" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11110" PostId="2426" Score="1" Text="My experience suggests they are grouped by question and just the questions are listed, so I see a number 3 might represent two (unread) comments tied to one question and one to another question.  However, this is a perception, not a conclusion based on meticulous observation.  Gerhard &quot;Preferes Meticulously Observing Other Things&quot; Paseman, 2015.09.04" CreationDate="2015-09-04T18:16:27.170" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11114" PostId="2426" Score="1" Text="@quid : the deleted comment is an interesting suggestion and I think that is the best explanation so far." CreationDate="2015-09-04T21:57:01.323" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="11115" PostId="2426" Score="0" Text="Thanks for  the feedback on the experiment. Me too, I just got two entries for your two comments. It thus seems that at east separate posts are handled separately." CreationDate="2015-09-04T22:02:45.237" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11118" PostId="2426" Score="0" Text="Maybe we can get some combinatorialist to look into that. These guys are all about counting stuff! :-)" CreationDate="2015-09-06T06:01:07.553" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11119" PostId="2428" Score="1" Text="I don't think there is a proper MO way to do this -- but if you know the user's email address, you can send them an email." CreationDate="2015-09-06T08:46:03.723" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11121" PostId="2428" Score="0" Text="You could bump the question in an attempt to draw more attention, maybe from that particular user." CreationDate="2015-09-06T14:36:42.837" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11123" PostId="2429" Score="1" Text="There is nothing prohibiting you from editing your user page.  If you place a wish list calling for experts in such-and-such field to consider problem linked here, this when confined to your user is to me an acceptable form of advertising and soliciting on MathOverflow.  Gerhard &quot;There Is Also Casual Conversation&quot; Paseman, 2015.09.06" CreationDate="2015-09-06T16:21:37.543" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11124" PostId="2429" Score="4" Text="I know the guy actually and there is no problem to email him about it, I was just wondering whether this is a typical situation on MO and what people usually do about it" CreationDate="2015-09-06T16:57:05.957" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11151" PostId="2429" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე , Then you should use your judgment of the relationship with this person.  While there is a social component on MathOverflow, it is a Q and A site more than a social networking site.  I recommend using email, as such requests are better made privately than publicly.  You can try a chat room, but unless you have the right mojo, the chat transcript is also public.  Gerhard &quot;So Go Get A Room&quot; Paseman, 2015.09.09" CreationDate="2015-09-09T17:38:01.110" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11156" PostId="2429" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე, it is a mixed bag. Some people dislike being pinged on MO or MSE so I have gotten a bit careful about that, partly because the pinging can only be done as an addressed response to some unrelated comment or other post of theirs. If you have an existing question and email a summary of the question and the MO link, you may get either a brief answer by email, but at least a few people have answered me on MO and not replied to the email. And, as always, you may get a response that is well-intentioned but just not enough..." CreationDate="2015-09-10T20:04:23.907" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="11125" PostId="2430" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure if I'll want to re-join, but this is really helpful. You might want to post this announcement elsewhere, to attract more of the folks who originally participated in the private beta." CreationDate="2015-09-07T15:58:35.723" UserId="74879" />
  <row Id="11126" PostId="2430" Score="2" Text="The meta of the [Open Data](http://meta.opendata.stackexchange.com/) community as a related site comes to mind as a place to post the announcement too and maybe also [Academia](http://meta.academia.stackexchange.com/)." CreationDate="2015-09-07T16:06:18.063" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="11127" PostId="2430" Score="0" Text="The &quot;mods&quot; team? Is that Q&amp;A not community moderated?" CreationDate="2015-09-07T19:24:26.020" UserId="13767" />
  <row Id="11129" PostId="2430" Score="0" Text="@Turion It looks like it just got started on a new platform, so there's no team yet." CreationDate="2015-09-07T21:17:24.143" UserId="74879" />
  <row Id="11130" PostId="2430" Score="0" Text="@HDE, yes, but I had assume that the active users earn moderator privileges by contributing to the site." CreationDate="2015-09-07T21:24:00.143" UserId="13767" />
  <row Id="11131" PostId="2430" Score="0" Text="@Turion Ah, I thought you meant the equivalents of diamond moderators, which I thought Christian was referring to." CreationDate="2015-09-07T21:25:16.750" UserId="74879" />
  <row Id="11136" PostId="2430" Score="0" Text="It'd make for a good post on [meta.physics.SE] too - or perhaps a community ad. We already have several linking to other Q&amp;A sites of interest to the science community." CreationDate="2015-09-08T16:14:07.140" UserId="64281" />
  <row Id="11138" PostId="2430" Score="1" Text="@Turion, thanks for joining Open Science Q&amp;A! In the meantime, you will have noticed that the site is not moderated. Moderators are simply people with extra permissions. Open Science Q&amp;A currently has 2 moderators, 2 admins, and 1 &quot;super-admin&quot; (me). This is a good start, but we still need more (wo)manpower, in all roles." CreationDate="2015-09-08T16:55:11.687" UserDisplayName="user80006" />
  <row Id="11139" PostId="2430" Score="2" Text="Sorry if I get the terminology wrong – I am not a frequent user of SE sites. I am not sure what “community moderated” entails. At the moment, anything goes. I also have no clue what diamond moderators are. `¯\_(ツ)_/¯`" CreationDate="2015-09-08T17:05:09.443" UserDisplayName="user80006" />
  <row Id="11140" PostId="2430" Score="0" Text="@ChristianPietsch, community moderated in the sense of SE means that any user achieves different moderating privileges by earning reputation. That way, the most active users with the most well-liked questions and answers become moderators." CreationDate="2015-09-08T17:25:28.180" UserId="13767" />
  <row Id="11141" PostId="2430" Score="1" Text="The Q2A software as such does not have a convenient review system as the StackExchange software. So on PO, we use specific community moderation threads similar to the [Request for Reopen Votes](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/223/30967) on MO to community close, reopen, delete, and undelete posts. Maybe this might be the easiest and fastest way to install community moderation (with an appropriate rep threshold) for Open Science too if wished so?" CreationDate="2015-09-08T18:05:12.423" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="11133" PostId="2431" Score="5" Text="The fact that a nonspecialist (yours truly) formed the &quot;ergodic-theory&quot; tag many months after MO started up is also pretty solid evidence that the field was underrepresented from the beginning. But I am very glad that it had some knowledgeable representatives who could answer my elementary questions!" CreationDate="2015-09-08T01:23:04.717" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="11137" PostId="2431" Score="1" Text="One question I am curious about is what is the origin of the name &quot;ergodic&quot; what does it mean and what is its history." CreationDate="2015-09-08T16:27:29.510" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11143" PostId="2431" Score="1" Text="@GilKalai: see note 8 of http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/statphys-Boltzmann/notes.html" CreationDate="2015-09-08T20:22:31.733" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="11144" PostId="2431" Score="3" Text="I would like to add that the cousins of Ergodic theory, i.e. various flavors of dynamical systems are also quite under represented here." CreationDate="2015-09-09T06:46:30.337" UserId="30684" />
  <row Id="11158" PostId="2431" Score="0" Text="For the sake of saving the trip to a rather interesting footnote, the conclusion of the reference proposed by @SteveHuntsman is that the term comes from the Ancient Greek [έργο](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%BF) (work) and [ὁδός](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BD%81%CE%B4%CF%8C%CF%82) (path, road, way)." CreationDate="2015-09-10T23:39:07.593" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11128" PostId="2432" Score="6" Text="Note that this is an old thread from last year; if you would like to propose further changes, I think it would be helpful if you would say a bit more, rather than just adding another alternative to an old poll." CreationDate="2015-09-07T20:37:56.823" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11148" PostId="2434" Score="0" Text="It shows -9/+7 when I display the vote count." CreationDate="2015-09-09T16:19:18.670" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11150" PostId="2434" Score="0" Text="@Asaf Karagila thanks, fixed" CreationDate="2015-09-09T16:26:07.897" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="11152" PostId="2434" Score="7" Text="Unfortunately bring this to peoples' attention seems to have gotten you more down-votes, which doesn't surprise me. If people knew the answer to 'does this approach solve the RH', they would just go and do it." CreationDate="2015-09-10T06:19:57.393" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11154" PostId="2434" Score="0" Text="@David Roberts good point, removed this part." CreationDate="2015-09-10T10:25:21.730" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="11155" PostId="2435" Score="0" Text="I removed the mention of the hypothesis, and now it got closed!" CreationDate="2015-09-10T15:56:36.463" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="11157" PostId="2435" Score="7" Text="@Anixx: But you forgot to remove references to &quot;Cantor's approach&quot; in the first paragraph. All of these things are usually clear signs of crackpottery. In the future, I recommend avoiding that or, if necessary, putting it in a post-script rather than the first paragraph." CreationDate="2015-09-10T23:26:28.153" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11159" PostId="2435" Score="0" Text="@François G. Dorais no, this is the core of the idea" CreationDate="2015-09-11T03:36:05.717" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="11160" PostId="2435" Score="0" Text="Why I should delete it if my approach on comparing sets is distinctly different from Cantor's? I just propose a different way of doing so. It is the main point." CreationDate="2015-09-11T13:27:42.703" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="11525" PostId="2435" Score="0" Text="It seems that not only me used this approach for attemptin to prove Riemann hypothesis. I have just found this paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/1011.3352 which describes essentially the same thing (they use B for what I denote as $\omega_{+})$" CreationDate="2015-10-22T13:54:00.780" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="11526" PostId="2435" Score="0" Text="@Anixx This doesn't improve your question." CreationDate="2015-10-22T18:21:22.543" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="12130" PostId="2436" Score="0" Text="If you like the cite button, you might also be interested in [trackbacks from SE to the arXiv.org](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/240520/209806) beyond MO." CreationDate="2016-01-12T19:10:22.777" UserId="13917" />
  <row Id="11161" PostId="2437" Score="7" Text="I'd say this question is rather not suitable for this site -- even more if someone asks it as their first question here. If you &quot;don't want to start badly&quot;, I think the best advice is to start either with an interesting non-soft question or with giving a good answer to a question of someone else." CreationDate="2015-09-12T12:37:49.760" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11164" PostId="2437" Score="5" Text="I'm not at all enthusiastic about the question either, but if you'd like some idea of what inspired various individuals to make a career of mathematics, I'd recommend the collections of interviews *Mathematical People* and *More Mathematical People*." CreationDate="2015-09-12T15:43:07.877" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11165" PostId="2437" Score="4" Text="I'm going to agree; while this might make a suitable sort of discussion for a different kind of forum, I don't think it is suitable for a site that is meant to be for discussing research-level mathematics." CreationDate="2015-09-12T22:37:43.490" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="11166" PostId="2437" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the comments. You have convinced me. Additionally Todd Trimble has given me a lead that hopefully will make my intended question unnecessary." CreationDate="2015-09-12T22:53:55.913" UserId="80192" />
  <row Id="11167" PostId="2437" Score="2" Text="I just learned of this, which seems to be a companion volume to the other books I mentioned: http://www.math.uiuc.edu/~tondeur/Albers-2011.pdf" CreationDate="2015-09-13T00:29:46.470" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11170" PostId="2439" Score="9" Text="FYI: I expect that this will get a poor reception.  I think that there is great skepticism within the mathematical community of allowing organizations (especially for-profit organizations) that are not run by academic mathematicians to play a role in scholarly publishing.  Of course, many do for historical reasons (e.g. Springer and Elsevier), but few people like this state of affairs (though there are diverse opinions about what to do about it).  Every for MathOverflow, there was serious skepticism during the transition to the current StackExchange software (which in effect made us part of" CreationDate="2015-09-15T02:20:48.670" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="11171" PostId="2439" Score="3" Text="their &quot;community&quot;; before, we viewed them as just a company whose services we were purchasing, though we never did end up paying them anything).  Before we made that transition, we insisted on getting signed agreements that they would give us the data we need to switch to a different platform if we ever decided that we disagreed with their decisions." CreationDate="2015-09-15T02:23:58.813" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="11172" PostId="2439" Score="8" Text="I think well-thought out essays that arose in answer to questions deserve a bit more linkability/permanence that they currently have. For instance, some of Thurston's answers wouldn't be out of place in generalist society journals such as the EMS Newsletter or the AMS Notices. Giving those DOIs would be a reasonable move, apart from the fact I don't know how the legalities work (aside from the Creative Commons license under which contributions here sit)." CreationDate="2015-09-15T02:59:41.920" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11173" PostId="2439" Score="8" Text="(IANAL, but) Note that since answers here are CC-BY-SA, one could legitimately _republish_ them at The Winnower and add a DOI, with appropriate attribution to the author and MO." CreationDate="2015-09-15T03:01:46.560" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11195" PostId="2439" Score="3" Text="MathOverflow's content is already being archived on archive.org ( https://archive.org/details/stackexchange , with periodical updates twice a year or so), although not directly in a human-readable format (but not hard to parse either, I believe). While a DOI for MathOverflow altogether sounds like a good idea, I don't see a good reason for DOIs on top threads unless we are doing DOIs on *every* thread. Most threads on MO should be about equally likely to be cited in research papers." CreationDate="2015-09-16T20:23:15.200" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="11201" PostId="2439" Score="3" Text="@darijgrinberg &quot;Most threads on MO should be about equally likely to be cited in research papers.&quot; I agree, and a much better source than &quot;private communication&quot;, &quot;manuscript&quot; or &quot;talk in the 1970s that few people alive can remember&quot;." CreationDate="2015-09-17T01:17:41.780" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11168" PostId="2440" Score="2" Text="Sorry, as new company we are relatively unknown.  We are exploring new areas/services in scholarly publishing that major publishers are ignoring.  From the looks of it, it appears as if you think such services are valuable. However, not with the help of The Winnower.  Based on the feedback received it looks as if we will likely not be the ones to assign DOIs or archive the content.  I do sincerely hope that a library does step up to do this as you mention if we are not to be the ones." CreationDate="2015-09-14T21:23:34.360" UserId="80274" />
  <row Id="11169" PostId="2440" Score="3" Text="Sorry if we gave the impression that DOIs are some sort of magical tool--they are not.  They do have value though and I thought it would be a nice step in the evolution of scholarly communication if Stack Exchange threads had them." CreationDate="2015-09-14T21:23:42.620" UserId="80274" />
  <row Id="11212" PostId="2446" Score="1" Text="Great points! We are only here to help. If Stack Exchange assigns DOIs themselves, that is great!  However, it seems unlikely as they will need to first get an ISSN, then pay 50,000 a year to assign DOIs (http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/20pub_fees.html) and 81,960 for archival (http://www.portico.org/digital-preservation/join-portico/for-publishers). We are offering this free of service to the community as it fits our ethos and mission to publish &quot;grey literature.&quot;  We'd only implement a system after feedback from the community.  Just as we are doing now." CreationDate="2015-09-17T18:25:35.097" UserId="80274" />
  <row Id="11213" PostId="2446" Score="2" Text="@Josh: Please read the webpages you link to! --&#xA;The fee for assigning DOI's would not be 50000 dollars per year, but just something&#xA;like 275 -- and the fee for archiving would not be 81960 dollars per year, but&#xA;just something like 250.&#xA;-- Or do you suppose MathOverflow's annual total publishing revenue would be&#xA;more than 500000000, respectively, more than 200000000 dollars??" CreationDate="2015-09-17T19:11:57.343" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11215" PostId="2446" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks, but I don't think that is correct.  The revenues refer to the parent company (Stack Exchange).  I'm not sure what SE makes per year in revenue but based on how big their office is and where it is, it is probably at the high end of the spectrum for CrossRef and Portico." CreationDate="2015-09-17T23:22:16.237" UserId="80274" />
  <row Id="11219" PostId="2446" Score="0" Text="to follow up. From the website:&#xA;&quot;*Notes on definition of &quot;Total Publishing Revenue&quot;:&#xA;&#xA;Total publishing revenue includes all publishing revenue from all the divisions of an organization (primary and secondary)&#xA;for all types of activities (advertising, books, journals, databases, article charges, etc). For membership organizations, member dues allocated to subscriptions will be included in total publishing revenue.&quot;&#xA;&#xA;- See more at: http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/20pub_fees.html#background&quot;" CreationDate="2015-09-17T23:26:39.847" UserId="80274" />
  <row Id="11220" PostId="2446" Score="12" Text="MathOverflow actually has a complicated independent identity (we're a registered non-profit in the US). I suspect @StefanKohl is thinking about our (infinitesimal) revenue." CreationDate="2015-09-17T23:27:19.657" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="11204" PostId="2447" Score="1" Text="Is the idea more to have the ability to link to specific timestamps, or to have an archive independent of SE? For the former, it might be possible to convince SE to implement the ability to view and link questions with a specific timestamp." CreationDate="2015-09-17T07:29:09.293" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="11206" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="It's true that this would be much more easily implemented within Stack Exchange. This started as a plan for external archiving. (It's really only a component of an external archiver --- you'd also have to connect it to some institutional repository, e.g. LOCKSS or some library repository.)" CreationDate="2015-09-17T09:41:08.170" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="11249" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="Wikipedia, for example, currently archives every edit made to every page, incorporating a timestamp and optional &quot;edit description&quot; comment. This allows for easy reversion of pages to previous states, as well as comparison between two versions, among other things. Something like this could be even more valuable on a site like Mathoverflow, where content is liable to evolve quickly over a short period and then change very rarely. Would some variant of this be feasible as an alternative to more sporadic archival by a &quot;crawler&quot; script?" CreationDate="2015-09-21T18:43:40.440" UserId="4336" />
  <row Id="11255" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="@RobinSaunders, I guess I didn't say this, but a criteria for the above proposal was that it could be implemented without needing cooperation from Stack Exchange. (Not because I expected them to be unhelpful, just to simplify the process and ensure that the goal was achievable.)" CreationDate="2015-09-22T00:38:07.383" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="11267" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="Ah, sorry - I skimread the previous comments. Maybe if the crawler was &quot;active&quot; enough and only looked at recently-updated pages then it could approximate the functionality I described?" CreationDate="2015-09-23T07:51:36.517" UserId="4336" />
  <row Id="11221" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="Wouldn't it be significantly easier and very close to this to run read only mirror of MO on available open source QA software supporting SE import (e.g. OSQA)? Just disable login/register. This will keep the latest snapshot, not all. Revisions of question/answers will be visible as on MO if the implementation allows it." CreationDate="2015-09-18T05:42:14.563" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="11222" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="Another option for server side display is to reuse code from existing open source QA software (possibly supporting SE import)." CreationDate="2015-09-18T06:18:06.853" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="11223" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="I think it's appealing to have snapshots from fixed points in the last, so people can cite the page as it was at a particular time." CreationDate="2015-09-18T10:18:28.260" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="11224" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="If you know a quick way to render SE API JSON to something human readable, let me know!" CreationDate="2015-09-18T10:19:04.657" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="11226" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="Do you mean to render it in the client with the help of javascript? If you can produce database in SE export format, I believe OSQA can return HTML/CSS/js. OSQA is here http://www.osqa.net/" CreationDate="2015-09-18T10:31:12.260" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="11229" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="What is wrong with crawling the HTML (like archive.org), not JSON?" CreationDate="2015-09-18T16:25:11.730" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="11240" PostId="2448" Score="1" Text="Crawling, and reproducing, HTML is pretty hard. Do you download all the CSS and image files as well, or just hope that they stay static? Do you try to render the page to PDF? It seems hard to produce a reliable archive, that for example could be stored by a library or other institutional repository." CreationDate="2015-09-20T01:48:37.580" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="11203" PostId="2449" Score="3" Text="Maybe it's time to switch to coffee. Or perhaps something stronger? How about vodka.mathoverflow.net?" CreationDate="2015-09-17T07:22:43.377" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11211" PostId="2449" Score="2" Text="May be time to switch to mysqli or PDO, as mysql_connect() is deprecated! :)" CreationDate="2015-09-17T16:43:47.503" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="11216" PostId="2451" Score="1" Text="The sample pages at present state clearly at the top, e.g. `as it appeared at 0626 on 20150917 (UTC)`. I don't think it's a good idea for the text of the displayed page to say anything about the requested date, because it's essential for archiving purposes that these pages are immutable, and can be cached by other parties." CreationDate="2015-09-17T23:22:31.103" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="11217" PostId="2451" Score="0" Text="The version crawler is a good idea, but again I'm hesitant to include it as part of the returned snapshots. Version crawling 'by hand' is possible because the URLs contain the date, and you can directly modify this. Further, this sounds like more complicated feature (it might double the size of the current codebase!), so should come far down on the todo list." CreationDate="2015-09-17T23:23:59.483" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="11218" PostId="2451" Score="1" Text="The intention is to store everything it's possible to retrieve by a Stack Exchange API call, and nothing more. I built what I think is the most useful 'filter', and you can see exactly what would be saved by looking through the JSON output displayed on the sample server. Suggestions to modify that filter are welcome." CreationDate="2015-09-17T23:25:37.763" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="11228" PostId="2454" Score="2" Text="Why not just add a comment (either in the body of the question, or in comments below) pointing out the new version, and that the question referred to an earlier draft?  It certainly seems likely that the question would be useful to others, and hence worth leaving up." CreationDate="2015-09-18T16:05:35.393" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="11230" PostId="2454" Score="0" Text="@Lucia &quot;pointing out the new version, and that the question referred to an earlier draft?&quot; I do not quite get what you mean there: the new version of what and which draft? The question is about a published paper, the answer to it in some sense is in a newish book." CreationDate="2015-09-18T17:15:59.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11302" PostId="2455" Score="0" Text="I like the idea of putting an update up top explaining, but leaving it all there." CreationDate="2015-09-25T05:58:22.400" UserId="14835" />
  <row Id="11232" PostId="2456" Score="17" Text="You should ask them before posting, and should ask them if they want to be credited. I ask somebody some question, possibly I don't want the question to be publicly attributed to me." CreationDate="2015-09-19T10:14:09.873" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="11233" PostId="2456" Score="1" Text="This should be on meta." CreationDate="2015-09-19T10:21:02.870" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="11234" PostId="2456" Score="5" Text="You say that you &quot;sometimes ask their questions on MathOverflow&quot; -- but it doesn't seem you have asked any question on MathOverflow so far(?)" CreationDate="2015-09-19T10:27:04.813" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11236" PostId="2456" Score="3" Text="I'd say you should always mention where you got an answer if not from your own brain, but you don't need to inform anyone that you're using their answer, just as you don't inform the author of a book or article that you'll be using information picked up from there. Their answer is part of the commonwealth, is how I'd put it." CreationDate="2015-09-19T11:53:11.520" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11239" PostId="2456" Score="0" Text="As others have mentioned, attribution (both question and answer) is important, not only for the community but also for background.  If you want to build a cooperative community, I would modify Todd's comment and say that there are cases where informing a person of a result can be good, especially if you know they are looking for applications.  Of course, we don't want to deluge (say) Terry Tao or Sergei Konyagin about applications involving recent prime gap machinery, but it just takes asking someone if they would like an update.  Gerhard &quot;They May Return The Favor&quot; Paseman, 2015.09.19" CreationDate="2015-09-19T18:09:45.357" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11235" PostId="2457" Score="4" Text="For a start  http://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic" CreationDate="2015-09-19T10:30:43.677" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11237" PostId="2457" Score="0" Text="Why didn't you post this question from the same account as the previous one? (I assume *Chandra* and &#xA;*Chandra Gupta Putrajaya* are the same person(?))" CreationDate="2015-09-19T13:03:53.747" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11238" PostId="2457" Score="5" Text="A point in favor of registration:  Then you can automatically return to the same user profile every time you enter!" CreationDate="2015-09-19T13:21:42.953" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="11241" PostId="2457" Score="0" Text="see also http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/882 including some very nice advice from MO 1.0 which is unfortunately not as easily accessible as it ought to be" CreationDate="2015-09-20T12:00:20.360" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="11250" PostId="2460" Score="2" Text="It's a good thing that you're Gerhard &quot;Come And Play With Us!&quot; Paseman, and not Undead &quot;Come And Play With Us!&quot; Twin Girls With Pigtails Speaking In Unison." CreationDate="2015-09-21T23:42:07.130" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11252" PostId="2460" Score="1" Text="On the internet, no one knows you're a zombie.  (They just suspect it.) Gerhard &quot;Movie References Lost On Me&quot; Paseman, 2015.09.21" CreationDate="2015-09-21T23:50:12.657" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11254" PostId="2460" Score="1" Text="(Kubrick's The Shining. Although I might be slightly misremembering the details. I think it's close enough. Asaf &quot;On the Internet No One Knows You're Tired&quot; Karagila, 22/09/2015.)" CreationDate="2015-09-21T23:57:59.967" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11242" PostId="2461" Score="2" Text="Good question. At least Robert Israel seemed to find it clear enough, so it would be nice to hear from the closers (at least one of whom I think has some relevant expertise). If this question doesn't garner enough attention in the next 1-2 days, perhaps it can be brought up here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-votes" CreationDate="2015-09-20T17:08:18.010" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11243" PostId="2461" Score="2" Text="I don't know why that question should be unclear. -- In any case I voted &quot;leave open&quot; in the review queue, and now I have just cast the first vote to reopen." CreationDate="2015-09-20T20:17:02.550" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11244" PostId="2461" Score="0" Text="Thanks for you guys' help. However, how can I prevent things like this from happening in the future? I sometimes just get these random close votes when there doesn't seem be be reason for them and it's frustrating and seems arbitrary." CreationDate="2015-09-21T03:49:29.730" UserId="49223" />
  <row Id="11245" PostId="2461" Score="0" Text="You are welcome. -- Maybe you could have avoided people voting to close if you would have said more explicitly that you are interested in *all* possible choices of the $p_i$ such that the expected number of turns is $t$ (cf. Nate Eldredge's comment). -- What do you mean by saying that you &quot;sometimes just get these random close votes&quot;? -- As far as I see, your only other question on MathOverflow has score +10, is open and has no pending close votes." CreationDate="2015-09-21T08:52:00.670" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11246" PostId="2461" Score="1" Text="So maybe you can get better information if you ask in the meta of a forum where you got multiple close votes." CreationDate="2015-09-21T12:55:17.437" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="11248" PostId="2461" Score="0" Text="Makes sense, and yes I can see why it was confusing. I hope it's clarified now, and will do best to be more formal in my descriptions in the future. I appreciate all the help." CreationDate="2015-09-21T18:03:31.267" UserId="49223" />
  <row Id="11247" PostId="2462" Score="1" Text="Okay, that makes sense now. Thanks =)" CreationDate="2015-09-21T18:01:40.973" UserId="49223" />
  <row Id="11251" PostId="2462" Score="1" Text="I'm envisaging a signature of the form [first] &quot;rub different colors of mud on your navel&quot; [last] [date] :-)" CreationDate="2015-09-21T23:44:41.917" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11253" PostId="2462" Score="0" Text="Go for it, David! Gerhard &quot;Encourages Others To Reinvent Themselves&quot; Paseman, 2015.09.21" CreationDate="2015-09-21T23:51:39.763" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11256" PostId="2462" Score="0" Text="A way to hide from searches for &quot;Gerhard Paseman&quot;." CreationDate="2015-09-22T14:33:25.667" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="11257" PostId="2462" Score="0" Text="@Gerald: Not quite, since the string &quot;Gerhard Paseman&quot; literally appears in every post. It's the username! :-)" CreationDate="2015-09-22T14:47:58.283" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11258" PostId="2462" Score="0" Text="Good point.  I remember a while back Gerhard had &quot;ask me about ...&quot; in his actual username, and that did prevent some searches." CreationDate="2015-09-22T14:56:43.620" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="11259" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="I'm confused. I see two questions under your account, both deleted. I have not the slightest idea what could trigger whatever it is you're describing above. Can you link to it?" CreationDate="2015-09-22T20:03:57.823" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11260" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="clarification, the question was on mathoverflow.net, not the meta.mathoverflow.net site, my meta account has two questions but the math one has only answers, no questions!" CreationDate="2015-09-22T20:06:06.033" UserId="58718" />
  <row Id="11261" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="Yes, and......? That's where I looked. I still see two questions at mathoverflow.net, both deleted." CreationDate="2015-09-22T20:06:51.230" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11262" PostId="2463" Score="1" Text="What @ToddTrimble is telling you is that there are deleted questions to your (main) account. You cannot see them normally, but a moderator can. It seems you in fact did ask question on MO that were deleted and *therefore* you get the warning." CreationDate="2015-09-22T20:08:46.230" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11263" PostId="2463" Score="1" Text="Oh, this was really old, when maybe I was new to site, I didn't see it on the questions asked category, so, the confusion." CreationDate="2015-09-22T20:10:32.883" UserId="58718" />
  <row Id="11264" PostId="2463" Score="2" Text="@quid It makes sense now; thanks. For what it's worth, the questions were from last November. One was on arc lengths; the other was a soft question on poets/musicians." CreationDate="2015-09-22T20:14:05.597" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11265" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="As an aside, would a question unanswered for one week, on math.stackexchange.com and +1 vote be a good question to send to mathoverflow.net?" CreationDate="2015-09-22T20:15:26.180" UserId="58718" />
  <row Id="11266" PostId="2463" Score="2" Text="Not necessarily; it all depends on the question. In this case, you must mean this: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1436743/svd-methods-for-minimal-polynomial It's a little hard for me to say what the reception here would be, but my instinct is that it might not stay open." CreationDate="2015-09-22T20:21:21.157" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11269" PostId="2465" Score="0" Text="I don’t know what’s a recent achievement tab, but a next privilege bar is shown at http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges (no idea about badges)." CreationDate="2015-09-23T14:20:53.950" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="11270" PostId="2465" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek It's at the top next to the inbox and stackexchange tabs. Hover over it and it gives itself that name." CreationDate="2015-09-23T14:30:43.167" UserId="76593" />
  <row Id="11271" PostId="2465" Score="5" Text="Yes, the experiment is over. The oddity with some users seeing it on one device/browser combination and not others was the result of a broken experiment setup. Even so, we got enough data to lead us to believe the feature was not useful to the majority of users. Personally, I found them an unwanted distraction from the information I was looking for when I clicked the notification. Eventually, the [new profile pages](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2225/36770) will be implemented here and you'll be able to track your badges from there." CreationDate="2015-09-23T16:39:42.477" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="11272" PostId="2467" Score="8" Text="There was some discussion about the new user profile change coming at an earlier thread, here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2224/two-new-user-pages Is there any possibility of having the &quot;shiny new user profile&quot; be optional, for the sake of those who expressed their dislike of the new design?" CreationDate="2015-09-23T17:25:20.923" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11273" PostId="2467" Score="0" Text="I thought that LESS systems were [designed for the space program!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Escape_Systems). In other news, thank you very much for giving a heads up." CreationDate="2015-09-23T18:27:41.700" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11274" PostId="2467" Score="17" Text="@ToddTrimble it's not practical for us to support multiple versions of a feature across the network. The new profile has been met with much praise from other communities — especially when it comes to helping newer users get acclimated to contributing and earning badges. At the very least please give it a try for a few weeks." CreationDate="2015-09-23T18:44:39.087" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11275" PostId="2467" Score="13" Text="@KurtisBeavers MathOverflow is not just another 08-15 site in the SE network, remember that there exists a [special agreement](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/970/30967) between this community and SE. Should it be the case that the majority of the researchers on MO does not like the &quot;Shiny new profiles&quot;, SE should take this serious and give them the possibility to opt out of this new feature. Also, as I personally got the impression, most people (including those that newly arrive) are on MO for doing more serious things than &quot;badge-hunting&quot;..." CreationDate="2015-09-24T14:07:31.223" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="11277" PostId="2467" Score="1" Text="Wrt LESS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Less_%28stylesheet_language%29" CreationDate="2015-09-24T15:02:34.797" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="11278" PostId="2467" Score="1" Text="And SVG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics" CreationDate="2015-09-24T15:18:05.900" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="11282" PostId="2467" Score="10" Text="@Dilaton re &quot;Should it be the case&quot; If you read closely you will see that the main proposal was to try and see *if* there is an actual major concern. The original discussion was mainly based on a blog post about the new sites not any actual expanded experience with them. Now, personally, I did not like the style of that blog post that much either, but the new sites are quite alright. Some things are better, maybe some are worse. But in any case I really cannot imagine  that it will be an actual problem for MO, except if one decides to make it one for the &quot;fun&quot; in it." CreationDate="2015-09-24T17:33:39.513" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11283" PostId="2467" Score="8" Text="Like Andy, I'm sad about adding an extra click to get to &quot;all activity&quot; which is by far the main thing I use userpages for." CreationDate="2015-09-24T18:00:54.580" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="11289" PostId="2467" Score="7" Text="@quid: &quot;the new sites are quite alright&quot;. Well, that's an opinion. And, perhaps it is the majority opinion at the sites where it has been implemented that you are familiar with, but it doesn't mean it will be a majority opinion here. We'll have to see I guess. &quot;I really cannot imagine that it will be an actual problem for MO, except if one decides to make it one for the &quot;fun&quot; in it.&quot; Is that to say that if a lot of people here decide they don't like it, then they don't really mean it but are just being resistant or difficult just for the &quot;fun of it&quot;? What makes you so sure?" CreationDate="2015-09-24T19:22:08.183" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11290" PostId="2467" Score="7" Text="@ToddTrimble well, yes, it is  my opinion there, the sentence even starts with &quot;Now, personally&quot;. The reason why I am quite confident that it is not an actual problem is that the change is minor and tangential. It is not so much that there is a majority opinion of whatever form somewhere I noticed, it is just that it seems like pretty much a non-issue. And a main concern here seems to be an &quot;extra click.&quot; Fine, I even partly agree. But can  this be an actual problem? My point is, whether we &quot;like&quot; this more or less is not really important for the actual functioning of the site." CreationDate="2015-09-24T19:51:22.667" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11297" PostId="2467" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble when interpreting the votings on this (and other) meta discussions as representing the opinion of the MO community, the potentially &quot;diluting&quot; impact of the  [association bonus](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/811/30967) might be worth keeping in mind..." CreationDate="2015-09-24T21:50:45.660" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="11298" PostId="2467" Score="1" Text="@Dilaton Right; thanks. I'm not too fussed about the comment voting etc., since we have no way of judging where it's coming from or how casual/serious it is. I am however interested in hearing from those committed MO users who have thoughts they'd like to share." CreationDate="2015-09-24T22:03:47.230" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11299" PostId="2467" Score="3" Text="@KurtisBeavers: Wouldn't it be possible to make the layout of the&#xA;user profile page a bit more flexible, such that one can hide&#xA;unwanted items (e.g. Sections &quot;Reputation&quot;, &quot;Badges&quot;, etc.)&#xA;and arrange / resize the others as one wishes to?" CreationDate="2015-09-24T22:38:49.687" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11301" PostId="2467" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl that's an interesting idea worth considering. It would take some time to implement such a feature. A big part of the upcoming site update is to rework the underlying framework so that we can respond more easily to such feature requests and deploy them across the growing network seamlessly." CreationDate="2015-09-24T23:02:18.623" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11483" PostId="2467" Score="0" Text="I just want to say __it's a good time to be alive__" CreationDate="2015-10-09T09:32:48.177" UserId="76791" />
  <row Id="11280" PostId="2468" Score="0" Text="Why is the post not yet fixed? A question that is unclear can and should be closed until it is fixed. The question is clearly unclear as it asks two different questions, pretending to ask just one." CreationDate="2015-09-24T17:03:37.840" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11284" PostId="2468" Score="0" Text="And by the way how to reconcile &quot;But GL(n,Z[x]) is just matrices with determinant 1 or −1, so it should be true for both, no?&quot; with what you imply?" CreationDate="2015-09-24T18:29:57.213" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11286" PostId="2468" Score="7" Text="@quid:  The way to reconcile it is to observe that the OP clearly made a silly mistake that is tangential to the main question, and to ignore that mistake." CreationDate="2015-09-24T18:34:48.713" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="11287" PostId="2468" Score="0" Text="What is the main question? You imply there is a typo, but from the comment it seems OP at least also (maybe only?) cares about GL." CreationDate="2015-09-24T18:43:33.020" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11288" PostId="2468" Score="0" Text="Steven, if you are confident that you know what the OP intended, would you do the honors and fix any typos? It would likely hasten a reopening, unless there are other objections." CreationDate="2015-09-24T19:05:41.863" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11291" PostId="2468" Score="5" Text="Todd:  Done.  I was hesitating to edit for fear of rendering the comment thread incomprehensible, but on second thought, I think my priorities were misplaced." CreationDate="2015-09-24T20:13:22.753" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="11295" PostId="2468" Score="0" Text="Steven -- thanks! Much appreciated." CreationDate="2015-09-24T21:19:52.133" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11303" PostId="2470" Score="0" Text="Good catch! You might follow the request though: &quot;This update should retro-actively fix most of the old design bugs. If you see any new bugs, or old ones not yet fixed, please post an answer here to let us know!&quot; and post it over there http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2467/site-updates-are-live" CreationDate="2015-09-25T17:09:35.013" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11304" PostId="2470" Score="0" Text="Since it was seen by the right person already, my comment is obsolete." CreationDate="2015-09-25T17:12:39.267" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11305" PostId="2470" Score="0" Text="Well I did it already anyway :D" CreationDate="2015-09-25T17:14:34.807" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11312" PostId="2471" Score="0" Text="Under reputation panel under activity tab, for accepted answers, I get solid green rectangles as opposed to green rectangles with a number indicating what rep I got for having that answer accepted.  Gerhard &quot;I Like That Green Shade&quot; Paseman, 2015.09.25" CreationDate="2015-09-25T18:13:57.763" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11313" PostId="2471" Score="1" Text="A fix is coming. Thanks for your patience." CreationDate="2015-09-25T18:56:38.853" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="13076" PostId="2471" Score="0" Text="@KurtisBeavers Sorry for bothering you but I don't know what to do - there seems to be another bug which is indicated in [another question](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2870/text-on-some-buttons-has-become-unrecognizable); it has been up for several days without any feedback from the developer team. Maybe you know what is the current status of it?" CreationDate="2016-05-09T10:53:13.617" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13079" PostId="2471" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე thanks for the heads up. We'll fix it." CreationDate="2016-05-09T12:19:47.777" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11306" PostId="2472" Score="1" Text="Good catch! We will fix this in the next production build." CreationDate="2015-09-25T17:17:10.327" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11307" PostId="2473" Score="2" Text="Found the bug. This will be fixed soon." CreationDate="2015-09-25T17:36:49.327" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11310" PostId="2473" Score="0" Text="Many thanks for the quick reaction to this issue, and the nice update more generally." CreationDate="2015-09-25T18:00:57.293" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11308" PostId="2474" Score="0" Text="This is intentional. We did some work to normalize font sizes on tags across the network so that features like adding and saving favorite tags wouldn't break on each site when we release updates. In other non-common areas we tried to maintain the current font size whenever possible." CreationDate="2015-09-25T17:40:34.743" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11309" PostId="2474" Score="1" Text="If your comment means that the font sizes won't be changed back, then I guess I will have to look into custom userstyles or something like that." CreationDate="2015-09-25T17:46:12.240" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="11311" PostId="2474" Score="0" Text="Depending on what you want to do exactly the browser-zoom could be a simple option." CreationDate="2015-09-25T18:05:30.353" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11314" PostId="2476" Score="1" Text="The intended information seems this: the ones with purely gray back-ground appear to be answers (not questions) and those with the white number are those that are accepted answers. But certainly I agree the color should be changed; indeed this seems very similar/related to [a problem I reported](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2475/)." CreationDate="2015-09-26T00:00:14.597" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11318" PostId="2476" Score="1" Text="Thanks.  And yes, I had seen your post, but that one was marked &quot;status-completed&quot;, whereas this problem is still there." CreationDate="2015-09-26T00:09:31.623" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="11320" PostId="2476" Score="0" Text="I agree; I did not mean to imply this post is redundant." CreationDate="2015-09-26T00:13:39.253" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11341" PostId="2476" Score="1" Text="A fix for this is on it's way." CreationDate="2015-09-28T12:44:09.450" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11350" PostId="2476" Score="0" Text="@Kurtis: Now there is no visible distinction (to me, maybe?) for accepted answers. What's wrong with the different background color that worked so well before?" CreationDate="2015-09-28T23:41:22.733" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11351" PostId="2476" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I'm not sure I understand what you mean. There's a distinction for accepted answers on the home page that uses the old background colors." CreationDate="2015-09-29T01:31:15.610" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11354" PostId="2476" Score="0" Text="@Kurtis: But not on the search dialog." CreationDate="2015-09-29T07:32:45.110" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11317" PostId="2477" Score="0" Text="If this is changed maybe  &quot;Add comment&quot; and &quot;Add bounty&quot; should be adapted too? (I agree these things are large, but maybe not too large, whence the &quot;if.&quot;)" CreationDate="2015-09-26T00:09:07.307" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11319" PostId="2477" Score="0" Text="Yes, you're right. I didn't notice those two." CreationDate="2015-09-26T00:09:57.060" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11322" PostId="2477" Score="2" Text="It should be added that on meta, the font size is fine." CreationDate="2015-09-26T00:32:07.103" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11323" PostId="2477" Score="0" Text="Tangentially,what also changed fontwise (I think) as on math.se, is that the comment input (on main) is now no longer a mono-spaced font. Do &quot;we&quot; care? (I don't.)" CreationDate="2015-09-26T00:35:29.360" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11315" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="And still &quot;No-repro here. Details might be needed.&quot; :-) Okay, let us skip the details this time. But in fact this was the first thing I checked when trying out the new design." CreationDate="2015-09-26T00:06:29.460" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11316" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="You think it's my browser? Firefox 40 on Arch Linux 64bit." CreationDate="2015-09-26T00:08:30.920" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11321" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="Yes, I think it depends. I do not have this problem  now. But I did see the issue at some point." CreationDate="2015-09-26T00:17:57.180" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11325" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="This only happens with FireFox on _some_ linux distributions (not all) - fixing those means breaking elsewhere." CreationDate="2015-09-26T08:51:43.703" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11326" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="@Oded: Great Scott! You're right. Are there any suggestions as to what causes this breakage? (Because it certainly means that there is a bug report to be made on the Arch repository, and that perhaps this sort of problems can appear on other sites as well.)" CreationDate="2015-09-26T08:55:20.573" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11327" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="I've never been able to find the root cause - some shared libraries are most likely to problem (specific versions probably causing the issue on FireFox)." CreationDate="2015-09-26T10:20:59.873" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11328" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="@Oded: That's a real bummer. I had a similar issue with a qt5 library before (where the bug was app specific and distribution specific, and maybe even computer specific). But apparently I'm not the only one who suffers from this one with the text box. Right?" CreationDate="2015-09-26T11:13:56.640" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11329" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila - yes, this comes up every now and then. Which is how I know it is isolated to FireFox and some distributions. Strangely, it can vary between versions of the same distribution :(" CreationDate="2015-09-26T11:55:19.290" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11330" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="@Oded: Weird. Super weird. Someone should look into that. In any case, how is the explicit width parameter breaking things elsewhere? (As I suggest in the meta.MSE counterpart of this post)" CreationDate="2015-09-26T12:06:47.923" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11331" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="It happens in several popup that have text areas - the explicit width is ignored in the affected browsers. And unfortunately, the &quot;columns&quot; ends up being rendered differently on different browsers, so just changing that doesn't work either - I have tried in a couple of different affected distributions (removing the width and applying a different &quot;columns&quot;). A value that worked perfectly on one didn't on another (this seems to be based on the font being used to render - that's what determines the &quot;columns&quot; width)." CreationDate="2015-09-26T12:11:18.243" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11332" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="@Oded: So... you're saying that short of writing a GM script to fix this problem, there's no likely way that this will be fixed for me, unless I switch browser, distribution or roll the dice again to install/update/remove libraries and fonts?" CreationDate="2015-09-26T12:13:56.733" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11333" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="That's seems to be the current situation, yes :(" CreationDate="2015-09-26T12:15:08.490" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11334" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="@Oded: Well, then. I guess it's time I learn how to do these things with GM, then." CreationDate="2015-09-26T12:15:54.647" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11335" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="I will take another look at this - there is some modern CSS that is finally supported across browsers that might help." CreationDate="2015-09-26T12:17:48.400" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11336" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="@Oded: Whenever you need a test subject, let me know and I'll try to help." CreationDate="2015-09-26T12:20:14.827" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11381" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="@Oded: As far as I can tell, a simple `.mod-attention-subform textarea { font-size: 12px; width: 600px; padding: 5px }` will fix the textarea width reliably on both Firefox and Chrome (and on all flavors of Linux and Windows I've tested). No &quot;modern CSS&quot; needed. I've had that rule in [SOUP](http://stackapps.com/questions/4486/the-stack-overflow-unofficial-patch-soup) since [February](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/283939/flag-for-diamond-moderator-textarea-breaks-out-of-the-dialog#comment159983_283939), and haven't observed any problems or inconsistencies." CreationDate="2015-10-01T15:16:32.517" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="11382" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="(And yes, the *effect* of this bug is browser, OS and font dependent, even if the cause isn't: with no explicit CSS width given in pixels, the textarea width is set to however many columns are specified in the HTML (or to a browser default, if unspecified), and the width of a column varies a lot depending on which font (and size; there are some browser quirks with monospace font sizing) the browser ends up picking. Here on Chrome / Ubuntu Linux at the Uni, disabling SOUP makes the textarea a lot *narrower* than the dialog box. On my Firefox at home, it overflows the box just like for Asaf.)" CreationDate="2015-10-01T15:22:27.797" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="11389" PostId="2479" Score="1" Text="Can you give this a test or two? Should be fixed across all sites now." CreationDate="2015-10-02T15:04:41.927" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11390" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="@Oded: I am not home, but I will try to see if I can get someone to test it on my computer later today! Thanks!" CreationDate="2015-10-02T15:06:18.193" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11394" PostId="2479" Score="0" Text="@Oded: Via the magic of video chat, I managed to get this checked out, and it seems to be fixed! Huzzah! Thank you very much!" CreationDate="2015-10-02T20:42:35.027" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11387" PostId="2481" Score="0" Text="I'm having a difficult time reproducing this. Which browser/system are you using?" CreationDate="2015-10-01T19:59:03.930" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11388" PostId="2481" Score="0" Text="This screenshot was taken on FF 40, on Arch Linux 64bit. I also can't reproduce this on FF 40 on Windows 8.1 32bit, though." CreationDate="2015-10-01T20:25:49.473" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11353" PostId="2482" Score="0" Text="Would it suffice to change &quot;writing or reading articles or graduate level books&quot; to &quot;writing or reading math articles or graduate level math books&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-09-29T04:41:32.990" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="11362" PostId="2482" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg I'd prefer to be more explicit on the fact that the reader (writer) has to be a mathematician. I can easily picture a layman who needs a formula from a graduate math book, asking some triviality. Quid's proposal looks better in my view." CreationDate="2015-09-30T00:31:06.833" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="11342" PostId="2483" Score="1" Text="Just to get clear: you propose that the existing separating line between answers (that is not so visible) is made more visible? (Or do you propose some other lines.)" CreationDate="2015-09-28T14:54:52.637" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11344" PostId="2483" Score="0" Text="@quid wow, there you go... Reading your 'not so visible', I decided to get my eyes really close to the screen (and I do have a big screen) - and for the first time ever I have noticed that there does exist a FINE, moreover probably light grey, line there. So I'd say that &quot;not so visible&quot; is a very diplomatic way of saying &quot;virtually invisible&quot;!!" CreationDate="2015-09-28T16:18:01.443" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="11345" PostId="2483" Score="0" Text="I am glad I could help with that discovery. :-)" CreationDate="2015-09-28T16:19:33.007" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11346" PostId="2483" Score="1" Text="well, but the line as is is virtually useless, I suppose you agree. :-)" CreationDate="2015-09-28T16:20:24.553" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="11348" PostId="2483" Score="0" Text="Maybe it has some subconscious effect. ;-)" CreationDate="2015-09-28T16:23:04.743" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11343" PostId="2484" Score="10" Text="If we take the posting of [Question Number 1](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1/ignore-this-question) as a basis,&#xA;the posting of this comment marks a little more precisely the 6th anniversary of MathOverflow!" CreationDate="2015-09-28T16:11:38.783" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11347" PostId="2484" Score="7" Text="*Precise to the second!*  That's impressive." CreationDate="2015-09-28T16:21:58.703" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11349" PostId="2484" Score="4" Text="The fifth anniversary was a disturbingly short time ago.  Gerhard &quot;Zoom Goes The Time!  Zoom!&quot; Paseman, 2015.09.28" CreationDate="2015-09-28T19:42:18.447" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11364" PostId="2484" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman See my answer for an explanation :D" CreationDate="2015-09-30T05:12:07.057" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="16571" PostId="2484" Score="0" Text="Many of our users are not native speakers of English ... as illustrated by the title &quot;MO exists since six years&quot;." CreationDate="2018-06-29T13:25:41.673" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="11361" PostId="2485" Score="2" Text="I like your proposal. What is the proper protocol: should I accept this answer right away, or accepting would mean that the issue is resolved without need for further action?" CreationDate="2015-09-30T00:28:18.510" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="11365" PostId="2485" Score="3" Text="If you want to be formal you could accept and repost a feature-request. But perhaps we should not overdo with bureaucracy. :-) I'd wait for a while to see if somebody still says something. Then; we'd just need a moderator to agree to make the change." CreationDate="2015-09-30T10:04:29.010" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11352" PostId="2486" Score="3" Text="To search for posts with score at least 0 use `score:0..` as a search parameter." CreationDate="2015-09-29T02:37:48.683" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="11360" PostId="2486" Score="5" Text="Many of the very popular questions and answers are of &quot;big list&quot; type, usually CW. Would it be possible to compile a similar list, but *excluding CW questions*? (Mere curiosity as well!)" CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:35:35.180" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="11356" PostId="2487" Score="4" Text="I think such question is on-topic here if and only if it is interesting for mathematicians. -- That means in particular: if your question is solely interesting for people building musical instruments, then MathOverflow is unlikely to be the right place to ask it." CreationDate="2015-09-29T13:22:19.253" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11370" PostId="2487" Score="1" Text="Here is an example of an earlier MO math/music question: &quot;[Relation between math and piano music](http://mathoverflow.net/q/136241/6094).&quot; There was some discussion in the comments concerning its appropriateness, but in the end it was well-received." CreationDate="2015-10-01T00:24:04.980" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="11375" PostId="2487" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke Thank you for introducing the link. Both question and its answer are very interesting." CreationDate="2015-10-01T10:09:30.443" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="11358" PostId="2488" Score="5" Text="And of course if the question really is of a mathematical nature but not of interest to mathematicians, math.stackexchange.com might well be a good place for it (still assuming it can be formulated to be understandable by mathematicians)." CreationDate="2015-09-29T18:17:49.410" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="11367" PostId="2488" Score="1" Text="To complement quid's good answer let me add that I would regard mathematical questions arising from good-level research in other areas as  both interesting to (at least to some) mathematicians, and as representing research-in-mathematics appropriate for MO.  Of course, the question should be genuinly a question-in-mathematics. Amit, I suggest you will state your actual question in the body of your meta question or as a comment." CreationDate="2015-09-30T14:37:17.667" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11376" PostId="2488" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai In fact it is a (not too long) *series* of questions not a single one. I think it is not suitable to mention them here in Meta but they are generally similar to what Joseph O'Rourke linked in his comment." CreationDate="2015-10-01T10:16:15.403" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="11377" PostId="2488" Score="0" Text="@AmitSingMukerjee then why not give the first of the series?" CreationDate="2015-10-01T10:28:07.950" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11366" PostId="2490" Score="2" Text="I think the enqueueing of more answers into the late answers review queue was useful -- a significant percentage of them need other actions than just clicking &quot;no action needed&quot;. Probably feeding some more posts into the first posts review queue would be beneficial as well, I guess." CreationDate="2015-09-30T13:04:56.367" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11371" PostId="2490" Score="3" Text="I found an excellent lecture series (on video, and with notes) from a question that turned up the queue due to a poor answer -- I'm not unhappy with that!" CreationDate="2015-10-01T01:18:25.730" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11401" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="@KurtisBeavers: The main site logo still looks blurry to me -- in fact, blurrier than before. (The meta logo is sharp, though.) Also, looks like the sprite sheet now contains a bunch of Adobe Illustrator PGF data that's useless on the web. You might want to run it through an SVG optimizer." CreationDate="2015-10-05T21:10:57.237" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="11402" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="Are your sure that you're not just caching the old logo on the main site? It looks crisp to me." CreationDate="2015-10-05T21:24:43.703" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11403" PostId="2492" Score="1" Text="@KurtisBeavers: Possible, but that seems unlikely to me. The sprite sheet I'm surrently seeing on the main site has the URL  `img/sprites.svg?v=856fae355837`, is 54856 bytes long, and running `md5sum -b` on it gives the hash `ca73de6b02f568e1b555d8521b76c43d`. And it looks [like this](http://i.stack.imgur.com/k14eu.png) when rendered in Firefox (and [like this](http://i.stack.imgur.com/rUCRj.png) in Chromium)." CreationDate="2015-10-05T21:34:06.547" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="11368" PostId="2495" Score="6" Text="I agree entirely with Gil.  After all, one can very easily choose to ignore MO entirely!  And in any case it is not so hard to pick and choose what one wants to read.  Asking to ignore people automatically sounds a tad bit elitist for my taste." CreationDate="2015-09-30T16:34:23.870" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="11369" PostId="2495" Score="4" Text="Why am I allowed to filter out and not see any posts on topics on my list of ignored tags (which has 185 entries) but I cannot hide posts from a list of a dozen names?" CreationDate="2015-09-30T18:54:26.520" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="11372" PostId="2495" Score="2" Text="Dear Felipe, I think it is not so much about what you are allowed to do but what are the tools that the community provides. As you can see from the answer to the question that you have linked providing such a tool is considered offensive and inappropriate.&#xA;http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/3409/306543" CreationDate="2015-10-01T06:55:52.723" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11383" PostId="2495" Score="2" Text="I don't get what is so bad about such a tool. Sorry for being obtuse. It's clearly nicer to silently ignore some users than to keep downvoting or voting to close their questions. The only argument that appeals to me is that, by downvoting and so on, I am helping the community by removing bad questions. But, as I said in my question, the cases I had in mind were borderline." CreationDate="2015-10-01T15:30:14.020" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="11384" PostId="2495" Score="1" Text="Let me try. If we are talking about dozen participants then on average their postings are much less than 1% of the posting one sees entering MO. It is very easy to silently ignore them, not to open their posts,  (and certainly not try to down vote or delete posts that are borderline and don't deserve this just because one does not like a particular user). So the issue is this, a member of the community is so annoyed by (otherwise, border-line) questions of another member that even seeing his or her name is hard for him to tolerate." CreationDate="2015-10-01T18:54:57.483" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11385" PostId="2495" Score="1" Text="(cont.)  So the issue is this, a member of the community is so annoyed by (otherwise, border-line) questions of another member that even seeing his or her name is hard for him to tolerate. This seems unreasonable, and as you can see from the link you yourself gave some members find it offensive. This is the reason why the community does not want to supply its members with this &quot;boycotting&quot; tool. Of course, things may be different for a user who is annoyed not by twelve other users but by 1200. But such users should probably avoid using MO altogether." CreationDate="2015-10-01T19:00:43.933" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11386" PostId="2495" Score="0" Text="Let me add one thing. I don't regard this tool as &quot;so bad&quot; I just think it is not good, and asking for it is usually not reasonable. I also see why some people may find it offensive. Then, why provide it?" CreationDate="2015-10-01T19:27:06.390" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11392" PostId="2495" Score="4" Text="I feel the comments above misrepresent a bit what is said on the other thread. As far as I understand the point that was mainly considered as  offensive was that the original version of the script has the name of one specific user hard-coded into it. That is in the very post one particular user was singled out as a user to be ignored.  Moreover, it seems to me the scope of the ignoring is larger there than requested. I feel it is a difference to want to ignore some users question-posts  only, and to ignore them completely." CreationDate="2015-10-02T17:51:16.310" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11393" PostId="2495" Score="4" Text="Further to&quot;If we are talking about dozen participants then on average their postings are much less than 1% of the posting one sees entering MO.&quot; For various meanings of &quot;on average&quot; this might be true, however &quot;average&quot;  seems hardly relevant (both over users, and over time). The very point of the request seems to damp peeks and outliers.  Especially for somebody narrowing down by tags already, blocking a dozen users that ask much  might make a noticeable change. I do not see myself using such a script, I do not do any filtering at all, but I do not follow the arguments put forward here." CreationDate="2015-10-02T18:08:23.987" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11373" PostId="2496" Score="0" Text="I just upvoted your answer, but it doesn't seem to have had an effect on your point score." CreationDate="2015-10-01T09:31:11.230" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11374" PostId="2496" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl But it did! I'm adding a snapshot, the last entry must be yours" CreationDate="2015-10-01T09:34:56.017" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11399" PostId="2496" Score="4" Text="&quot;I keep getting reputation points for an answer to a CW question&quot; - This could lead to a CW complex!" CreationDate="2015-10-03T19:23:44.120" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11378" PostId="2497" Score="0" Text="I see. I should be more attentive, sorry for the noise" CreationDate="2015-10-01T10:30:12.470" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11379" PostId="2497" Score="2" Text="You are welcome. It is not completely intuitive that all voting event are recorded under the tab &quot;reputation,&quot; so I can see where the confusion comes from." CreationDate="2015-10-01T10:32:19.730" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11380" PostId="2497" Score="4" Text="The same thing happens when you receive upvotes (on non-CW posts) but you have already hit the daily reputation cap of 200: the votes show up on your reputation page, but no points are displayed beside them." CreationDate="2015-10-01T14:19:57.440" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="11404" PostId="2509" Score="6" Text="This sounds like something you should be discussing with the moderators, not with the rest of us, as the rest of us can't do much about (or even verify that it's happening)." CreationDate="2015-10-06T05:26:42.173" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="11406" PostId="2509" Score="4" Text="What's the point of deleting your question/answer after publishing a better one on your homepage ? Wouldn't it be better to post the improvement on MO, too ? (-1)" CreationDate="2015-10-06T13:01:08.380" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="11407" PostId="2509" Score="5" Text="If you truly want to take the high road, I recommend editing your question to a general question about downvoting that you suspect is improper and how to handle it.  The answers will be the same, but the commentary that currently detracts from the question can be removed and good done for the community.  I would upvote the question after such an edit. Gerhard &quot;I Know That It Hurts&quot; Paseman, 2015.10.06" CreationDate="2015-10-06T17:51:42.713" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11410" PostId="2509" Score="5" Text="I don't really care about the high road or the low one. I'll choose my own path." CreationDate="2015-10-06T19:56:55.383" UserId="12178" />
  <row Id="11413" PostId="2509" Score="3" Text="vindictive dv'ing is nothing, what you want to avoid is syndicated dv'ing" CreationDate="2015-10-06T20:12:55.600" UserId="70355" />
  <row Id="15650" PostId="2509" Score="1" Text="MO has a very bad problem of vindictive downvoting. Yes. It is childish. Yes. It is unprofessional." CreationDate="2017-12-31T04:50:16.393" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="28630" PostId="2511" Score="0" Text="I’ve noticed a downvote to each question I’ve recently asked. I suspect its just one person. Is there a way a moderator can verify if indeed it is just one person? (And I don’t want to know who, just if what I suspect is true.)" CreationDate="2023-05-30T14:21:31.663" UserId="12905" />
  <row Id="28633" PostId="2511" Score="0" Text="@TitoPiezasIII Site moderator tools for detecting this, especially for recent history, are pretty limited. However, SE Community Managers (who are SE employees) have better tools; we can check in with them. I've just written them now." CreationDate="2023-05-30T23:55:56.437" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="28634" PostId="2511" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Todd. In SE, we meet all sorts of people. Decent ones like you, and the twisted ones who hide behind the veil of anonymity. Maybe they wouldnt do stuff like this in real life." CreationDate="2023-05-31T00:49:38.080" UserId="12905" />
  <row Id="28639" PostId="2511" Score="1" Text="@TitoPiezasIII A Community Manager responded, and confirmed that four recent questions of yours had one downvote apiece, all four from the same user. So your suspicion is correct. Feel free to write moderators@mathoverflow.net if the problem persists." CreationDate="2023-05-31T17:15:47.830" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="28641" PostId="2511" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your efforts.  It feels good to know one’s suspicions are correct. I rarely get downvotes, so four in a row had to be _one_ person. And a petty one. Thanks again." CreationDate="2023-06-01T01:41:00.387" UserId="12905" />
  <row Id="11409" PostId="2513" Score="0" Text="Yes, I very much like the activity page. I asked this question a couple of days before this latest site update. There is certainly no reason now to have the next badge appear on the achievements tab." CreationDate="2015-10-06T19:42:56.573" UserId="76593" />
  <row Id="11414" PostId="2516" Score="12" Text="Site moderators don't have control over the tools given to them by SE. I understand your point that it looks very suspicious. Sorry that I can't be of more help." CreationDate="2015-10-06T20:19:44.600" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11433" PostId="2517" Score="4" Text="I still counsel patience. Right now this is a question within the purview of Mathematics StackExchange, and you are within your rights there to press for more if you are not satisfied. (It's not at all clear that the other user -- note the singular -- &quot;shares your point of view&quot;, but this is not a concern for MO.)" CreationDate="2015-10-07T13:28:42.280" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11434" PostId="2517" Score="8" Text="&quot;I asked the answerer in my MSE post to provide a more precise answer but he refused.&quot; This seems an odd way to put it; you received additional information there." CreationDate="2015-10-07T13:29:32.333" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11435" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="@quid That was the case when I was writing this post. After that the answerer replied to my comment. However it didn't make his answer any clearer." CreationDate="2015-10-07T13:58:39.860" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="11436" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I think people in MathOverflow think every question that is posted on M.SE. is a silly undergraduate question and don't pay enough attention to it. Maybe it was better to post my question here directly or without mentioning that I posted it in M.SE. In this way people won't vote a question blindly and without enough reflecting on its different aspects." CreationDate="2015-10-07T14:06:47.930" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="11437" PostId="2517" Score="2" Text="There was a reply long before you posted this (like more than 12h and you even had replied). A second reply on your follow up (an hour before you posted this) came within like 15 minutes of your commenting and almost an hour before you posted this here." CreationDate="2015-10-07T14:31:36.713" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11438" PostId="2517" Score="14" Text="Amit, you couldn't be farther than the truth about &quot;every question on M.SE.&quot;. Many questions there are quite substantial. And I've asked questions there myself, so I certainly don't look down on it. Nor do I think your question is &quot;silly&quot;. I *do* think that Ivan has given enough hints that a (perhaps strong) undergraduate would be able to work out all the details to completion, and I still do think that as a result this question would not long remain open at MO, no matter what you did (and of course you know that not mentioning cross-posting is a site violation)." CreationDate="2015-10-07T14:33:12.997" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11439" PostId="2517" Score="2" Text="In a post on meta (unfortunately I didn't keep the link), user Stefan Kohl explained, whenever a question has a vote to close, he also votes to close. That's how questions get closed on MO." CreationDate="2015-10-07T15:57:18.543" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="11440" PostId="2517" Score="5" Text="@ToddLeason this is not at all what he said in the comment you ought to mean (by the way it got self-deleted some time ago, but this is besides the point)." CreationDate="2015-10-07T16:09:45.560" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11441" PostId="2517" Score="3" Text="To put this question out of its misery, I have posted a solution at M.SE." CreationDate="2015-10-07T16:26:10.960" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11442" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I think the &quot;answer box&quot; is for posting &quot;answers&quot; not &quot;hints&quot;. What you call an answer is nothing but an ambiguous comment trivially observable from definitions. I doubt those who voted to close my question (that many people here and in M.SE. found interesting) bothered themselves to reflect on it. I really see no similarity between your and Ivan's answer. Though, I understand if you mentioned that statements about the similarity of two answers in the beginning of your answer, for the sake of politeness and for not offending Ivan." CreationDate="2015-10-07T17:08:03.247" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="11443" PostId="2517" Score="7" Text="Could you please take your ranting about an answer or a hint or whatever on a site *other than this one* elsewhere." CreationDate="2015-10-07T17:15:28.287" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11444" PostId="2517" Score="6" Text="I think Daniel Soltesz has already addressed this: likely the user Ivan figured a short answer with the essential idea would be enough for someone with sufficient experience, which is probably what he took you to be. I don't at all agree that his observations were trivial, and I'm afraid that I am going to have to insist that I took his answer as a template for my own more detailed answer, and I wasn't merely being polite. I did have to supply an extra argument for Case 2, but it was nothing. And now, with quid, I'm going to ask that this discussion end. Glad I could help." CreationDate="2015-10-07T17:17:02.287" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11445" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble By the last sentence you possibly mean that I shouldn't add more comments here?!" CreationDate="2015-10-07T17:19:58.013" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="11446" PostId="2517" Score="6" Text="Yes, this is the wrong site to argue about something happening at M.SE, as quid explained. If I were you, I would think carefully before saying another word on this topic here. $$ $$ If you have a question about *some other topic* that pertains to the operation of MathOverflow, then you may ask about it here. If you have a new question that you think is appropriate for MO, you may ask about it there. But please choose your words wisely. I think I've about gotten my fill recently of people who go on and on past the limits of welcome." CreationDate="2015-10-07T17:38:16.640" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11447" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Understood! :-)" CreationDate="2015-10-07T17:43:24.723" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="11459" PostId="2517" Score="10" Text="I agree with everything @ToddTrimble has said in this comment thread. As a professional mathematical analyst (of some kind), I have read Ivan Neretin's sketch of a solution on MSE, and it is far more than &quot;an ambiguous comment trivially observable from definitions&quot; - it is exactly the kind of outline that analysts give each other when they trust each other to fill in the routine details. I appreciate that Ivan's answer may have been unsatisfactory for you, in which case the thing to do would have been to engage with him in MSE comments or chat to seek clarification, rather than complain here." CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:41:44.870" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="11463" PostId="2517" Score="2" Text="Amit, you are very welcome to complain in public about any of my actions on this site.  But please let me know about your complaint, using @ or sending an email using the info on my profile." CreationDate="2015-10-08T08:31:59.163" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="11448" PostId="2519" Score="5" Text="Why not move it to [math.se]? It seems like a better fit there. The user is completely new. Perhaps they'll even be better served by that site." CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:01:19.457" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11449" PostId="2519" Score="1" Text="On the more general remarks, this would be an interesting discussion to be had. But perhaps this is not the place to enter it." CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:02:32.747" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11450" PostId="2519" Score="5" Text="I think we should perhaps post a committed amplification on the aside here at meta, which has been much on my mind recently. (I might could get the ball rolling on that, but would need a few days at least.)" CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:10:45.623" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11451" PostId="2519" Score="1" Text="I know the more general remarks belong elsewhere, but I don't have the bandwidth to properly spearhead that discussion in the foreseeable future, so I let it leak out here. I guess math.SE would be fine, but I think it's just fine for MO too." CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:14:19.880" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="11461" PostId="2519" Score="6" Text="My impression is that the question asked is actually wanting an answer that is at an advanced undergraduate or beginning undergraduate level.  The answers of Knutson and Dorais (which I will review again) impress me as answering at a higher and more conceptual level which would be lost on the questioner and many readers.  I don't mind the question being on MathOverflow (and I won't dispute the awesomeness of Allen's answer), but I think more is needed from the question, specifically what level of answer would be appreciated.  Gerhard &quot;Feels Professors Talking Over My Head&quot; Paseman, 2015.10.07" CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:54:59.937" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11462" PostId="2519" Score="2" Text="I gave the final vote to reopen.  I don't have strong feelings on the question but I will defer to Anton whose vision gave us this site on its appropriateness." CreationDate="2015-10-07T19:12:08.553" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="13193" PostId="2519" Score="0" Text="It was later [closed again](http://mathoverflow.net/posts/220259/revisions). Perhaps it would make more sense to answer this [on math.SE](http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1366845/is-there-a-way-to-think-of-the-adjugate-matrix-invariantly)?" CreationDate="2016-05-30T12:57:27.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="11453" PostId="2520" Score="0" Text="'The focus above is on votes to close as those come up most frequently and were the subject of the referenced discussions. However, **votes to reopen could also be discussed,** as well as the review actions &quot;leave open&quot; and &quot;leave closed.&quot;' (From the referenced question with emphasis.)" CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:25:51.547" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11454" PostId="2520" Score="0" Text="@quid Do you possibly mean that I should add a motivation part to my post as well?" CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:28:03.893" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="11455" PostId="2520" Score="0" Text="No I meant it is basically a duplicate." CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:28:31.417" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11456" PostId="2520" Score="4" Text="@quid Don't you think that overextending the domain of that question to &quot;almost every type of votes&quot; makes it too broad? Possibly it is better if you delete that part about reopen votes and let us develop a nice and concentrated discussion on this topic here. By the way none of the answers in your post are discussing &quot;votes to open&quot; matter." CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:31:22.613" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="11457" PostId="2520" Score="0" Text="It is specifically about open/close voting and possibly the intimately related review tasks leave open/leave close. Yet, not about vote to deleted or to undelete, not votes up or votes down. Thus   &quot;almost every type of votes&quot;  seems a bit false, even under scare-quotes. Anyway, I did not cast a vote to close as duplicate on this question." CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:35:40.983" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11458" PostId="2520" Score="0" Text="@quid Thus I ask you, your question. If you believe that this question is a duplicate and can't cause a concentrated productive discussion about open-votes, why don't you vote to close it? Is there kind of open/close voting etiquette here that prevents you from voting to close my question? If yes, what are its rules?" CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:40:20.097" UserId="80853" />
  <row Id="11460" PostId="2520" Score="3" Text="It could be seen as a conflict of interest that I vote something as a duplicate of my own question. Ali the effort with the new question might also be wasted, given that no-one commented there." CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:47:25.103" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11473" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="So are you the new lord of swag? (At least I think I've heard that Tim Post gave up his crown.)" CreationDate="2015-10-08T17:13:40.297" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="11475" PostId="2522" Score="3" Text="Can new swagophiles make new swag requests?" CreationDate="2015-10-08T18:19:04.577" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="11516" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="I got my swag---thanks a lot! The caviar is fantastic." CreationDate="2015-10-20T13:21:21.827" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="11519" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="Excellent. I just received mine. Thank you!" CreationDate="2015-10-20T18:21:11.423" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="11522" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="Mine just arrived.  Thank you." CreationDate="2015-10-20T22:56:00.070" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="11523" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="Just got mine too, thanks!" CreationDate="2015-10-21T01:28:14.823" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="11524" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="Chiming in with thanks" CreationDate="2015-10-21T12:18:40.620" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="11529" PostId="2522" Score="1" Text="Got mine in Australia, thanks!" CreationDate="2015-10-27T08:20:29.990" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11531" PostId="2522" Score="1" Text="Got mine (in the Philippines) yesterday!  Thanks!" CreationDate="2015-10-28T02:00:51.253" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="11532" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="@Joel: Can you tell me when it was that your parcel was posted? Thank you very much!" CreationDate="2015-10-28T03:47:16.177" UserId="1593" />
  <row Id="11533" PostId="2522" Score="1" Text="@J.H.S. It seems that my package was sent on [October 21, 2015](https://joelreyesnoche.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/gift-from-mathoverflow/)." CreationDate="2015-10-28T13:08:43.310" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="11537" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="I also received it. Fantastic!" CreationDate="2015-11-01T10:23:14.063" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="11478" PostId="2523" Score="1" Text="The probability theory notion and the algebra notion are actually essentially the same (a nested chain of substructures), though in practice the ideas needed to think about the two are pretty much unrelated." CreationDate="2015-10-08T21:29:04.353" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="11506" PostId="2529" Score="3" Text="&quot;Comments are considered ... in general ephemeral&quot; : I disagree with this.  It may be an opinion shared by many in the community, but I see them as a crucial part of the cooperative endeavor: rather than several answers referencing one another and creating a non-threaded unwieldy substitute for discussion, comments on MathOverflow are (I contend) a vital part of the collaborative process here.  Even the social commentary provides a crucial element to the forum.  Gerhard &quot;Signatures Are Of Course Priceless&quot; Paseman, 2015.10.19" CreationDate="2015-10-20T03:24:14.610" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11511" PostId="2529" Score="0" Text="cf many interesting answers by BCnrd in comments on the question itself - where would these be edited into?" CreationDate="2015-10-20T07:15:42.457" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11512" PostId="2529" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman the sentence you reference was in the paragraph that start on &quot;On various other SE-sites[...]&quot; and the description on status as &quot;in general ephemeral&quot; was intended to refer to their status on those (other) sites; another common way this is expressed is that one should think of comments as temporary post-it notes. As I acknowledged &quot;MO does not fully follow this model&quot; the point rests though that those that design the site and are thus in control how visible comments are do follow this idea, as it is *their* idea of what comments should be." CreationDate="2015-10-20T12:30:27.963" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11513" PostId="2529" Score="0" Text="The relevance for this for MO is that this has as a consequence that comments are &quot;not very visible.&quot;  They are not even very visible when one looks at the page in a normal way, but it is even worse on mobile especially on some browsers where it can be almost hard to access them. Further, quite relevant imo, comments are **not searchable** (in an easy way).  I do not intend to try  to change the culture regarding comments on MO, but the point rest that for various reasons they are not the best place for some important piece of information.  Thus if possible it'd better to recordin post (too)." CreationDate="2015-10-20T12:37:49.127" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11514" PostId="2529" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts This example is quite strange in my opinion. Mostly they just should have been given as answers all along (which was repeatedly brought up at that time). And, you might recall that there is a standing policy that it is good practice or at least admissible to repost such comments as a CW answer. So to answer you question directly: usually in a to be created answer-post (in CW)." CreationDate="2015-10-20T12:44:15.840" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11518" PostId="2529" Score="1" Text="@quid, I understand that you may mean (content of your comments) by (words in the paragraph).  However, my reading of (words in paragraph) conveys something different.  I would suggest a rewrite to improve clarity, e.g. &quot;Comments on some of these other sites are considered ephemeral.&quot;  I take your point about visibility of information, but I still think the current comment content on MathOverflow should NOT be considered ephemeral: quite the opposite.  Gerhard &quot;Opposite Is A Multivalued Operator&quot; Paseman, 2015.10.20" CreationDate="2015-10-20T18:15:54.153" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11520" PostId="2529" Score="4" Text="@GerhardPaseman I will try to clarify it later; I am quite busy right now, sorry. In the meantime I will enjoy the delicious irony of you asking me to rewrite the post. Is a comment not sufficient? ;D" CreationDate="2015-10-20T18:24:31.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11521" PostId="2529" Score="1" Text="It depends on how you want the text read, and how important that is to you.  I leave that in your hands, since (for me) my initial comment seems to be clear.  Gerhard &quot;Understands The Importance Of Irony&quot; Paseman, 2015.10.20" CreationDate="2015-10-20T18:43:24.360" UserId="3206" />
  <row Id="11501" PostId="2531" Score="6" Text="You can see your voting history at http://mathoverflow.net/users/4923/john-jiang?tab=votes. -- Though you won't be notified when&#xA;answers which you upvoted get changed." CreationDate="2015-10-19T19:42:38.683" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11502" PostId="2531" Score="0" Text="I am puzzled why you tagged again &quot;community-wiki&quot;. The tag community-wiki is for questions about the meta-subject community-wiki posts, which seems not at all applicable. If you want a question to be community-wiki you should flag for a moderator (but it'd be unusual on meta)." CreationDate="2015-10-19T20:31:45.390" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11503" PostId="2531" Score="0" Text="@quid: I don't understand what community wiki is apparently. To me it was synonymous to meta." CreationDate="2015-10-19T20:47:30.070" UserId="4923" />
  <row Id="11504" PostId="2531" Score="1" Text="I see. This explains it in detail http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11740/what-are-community-wiki-posts (not everything applies here though). In brief, a community wiki post is a post with the status of being more collaborative than a usual post. Basically you can ignore it though; it is not very important." CreationDate="2015-10-19T21:37:22.907" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11505" PostId="2531" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification. Also I realize the UI was pretty obvious already." CreationDate="2015-10-19T22:45:48.213" UserId="4923" />
  <row Id="11534" PostId="2538" Score="9" Text="Agreed: visited links are practically invisible to me too (also using FF 41.0.2)." CreationDate="2015-10-30T00:50:09.547" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11535" PostId="2538" Score="2" Text="For me univisted links are fine, for visited I agree. See a related question http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/320/the-color-of-links-in-comments In any case this is the right place to report this." CreationDate="2015-10-30T00:52:43.147" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11539" PostId="2538" Score="0" Text="If I tilt my computer screen, the visited link looks purple (as I would expect from past experience on this site, and from other sites), but there he purple is very very faint. Unvisited links look blue, again as I would expect." CreationDate="2015-11-03T13:22:40.083" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11549" PostId="2538" Score="0" Text="I find it almost imposs to distinguish visited links from the rest of the text (on FF, OSX). I think this may have to do with the default css used by MO." CreationDate="2015-11-07T04:57:45.030" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="11555" PostId="2538" Score="2" Text="[I have given up](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1488/change-of-colors) on hoping that anyone pays attention to color schemata problems on SE." CreationDate="2015-11-07T18:23:00.163" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11538" PostId="2539" Score="7" Text="I am a bit torn on this one. On the one hand, I agree that some closures seem based (too much) on heuristics of the form you describe. On the other hand, I am of the opinion that in general it is the author's job to make clear why the question is relevant. (In addition there are plenty of &quot;hard&quot; questions that are not suitable for that site. Prototype: Does $f(n)$ take prime values infinitely often. Where $f$ is such that &quot;everybody knows&quot; it does while no-one has a clue how to show it.)" CreationDate="2015-11-02T23:05:43.023" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11544" PostId="2539" Score="1" Text="I am in agreement with the notion that if you close because you think it's HW, you are in a much stronger position if you know how to do the HW yourself. I try to apply this precept to my own close votes. And I admire fedja's courage of his convictions in requesting re-openings. But I do object to the language of this post, which accuses others who vote to close of not having the slightest idea; this seems entirely presumptuous (it may be right half the time, but who's to say)." CreationDate="2015-11-05T02:22:07.050" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11540" PostId="2540" Score="2" Text="Thanks for flagging the comments. I entertained the idea to do so myself recently." CreationDate="2015-11-04T23:39:37.520" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11541" PostId="2540" Score="7" Text="Well, I was the moderator who handled those flags. Yes, I credit and thank you for the observation that all those comments were obsolete. But, the comments were clearly a running tally of the situation, and there was clearly a very good reason for that tally, so it was entirely logical for me to delete all but one and simply edit the last. I could have deleted all of them, adding another to reflect the updated situation, but that would have robbed due credit to Gerry Myerson who had the good sense to have that tally in the first place, and would have made it instead seem due to me." CreationDate="2015-11-05T01:56:09.790" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11543" PostId="2540" Score="0" Text="So I hope you see it is not so strange or weird after all. :-)" CreationDate="2015-11-05T02:09:28.397" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11545" PostId="2540" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Yes, your action makes sense. Thanks for confirming quid's answer. :)" CreationDate="2015-11-05T09:16:04.747" UserId="35815" />
  <row Id="11542" PostId="2541" Score="10" Text="Yes, that is a correct reading. As I said to quid privately not long ago, I've been meaning to write a meta post about the various flags and how they look from the moderator end. There is not a little confusion about this." CreationDate="2015-11-05T01:58:46.773" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11547" PostId="2544" Score="0" Text="The salutation (&quot;Greetings,&quot;) was dutifully removed automatically." CreationDate="2015-11-06T18:13:34.243" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="11548" PostId="2544" Score="50" Text="Thanks!  Guess I'll have to stick with my usual &quot;Yo, dude!&quot;" CreationDate="2015-11-06T18:26:43.750" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="11551" PostId="2544" Score="8" Text="@Jeremy: Seems to me that &quot;Ahoy!&quot; should work as well. Especially if you post your question on [Talk Like A Pirate Day](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_a_Pirate_Day)." CreationDate="2015-11-07T09:58:23.997" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11552" PostId="2544" Score="3" Text="Holla! According to the [no-hair-theorem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-hair_theorem) there should be no hairs anyway, however if the SE network wide implementation of automatically removing friendly things such as hi, thanks, etc is really a good idea, is less clear..." CreationDate="2015-11-07T14:46:20.550" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="11553" PostId="2544" Score="2" Text="Here is an exercise.  Construct an answer where this automatic script removes something important for the answer." CreationDate="2015-11-07T17:20:25.293" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="11554" PostId="2544" Score="5" Text="@GeraldEdgar &quot;Hairer proved in ...&quot;" CreationDate="2015-11-07T18:20:00.873" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="11557" PostId="2544" Score="2" Text="@Dilaton [this answer](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/17206/saying-hello-at-the-beginning-of-a-question-answer/17207#17207) on meta [math.se] makes a pretty good case for removal, I think. Then I never heard a convincing argument for greetings in posts as there is not even a conversation that is started. Moreover, mostly they are so informal or even sloppy as to be borderline  disrespectful." CreationDate="2015-11-07T19:30:08.390" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11558" PostId="2544" Score="5" Text="@Quid I know that on other sites, SE tries to systematically erase any traces that the content is written by living human communities instead of some [non-social life forms](http://orig05.deviantart.net/9d0f/f/2013/213/7/c/t_shirt_graphic__star_trek___resistance_is_futile_by_jessicacasciotta88-d6g8oon.jpg). The (completely legitimate) goal of the company is to get steril libraries of Q&amp;A, useful to an as large as possible amount of external Googlers, written by volunteers. However, in human academic online communities, treating each other with due respect and appreciation does never hurt." CreationDate="2015-11-07T20:11:14.077" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="11559" PostId="2544" Score="6" Text="@Dilaton as I tried to explain I do not even find the greetings one usually sees to be respectful, often quite the contrary. Furthermore, I would not know that research papers, book reviews (or even opinion pieces) or most any other form of academic text starts with greeting the readership in general terms.  (Obviously, a letter or an email does, but this is something quite different. Although, for the latter it actually starts to disappear even there.)" CreationDate="2015-11-07T20:33:05.477" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11577" PostId="2544" Score="2" Text="I wonder whether we could have some statistics on how often the removal regex is triggered on MO (preferrably in posts that do not get closed anyway)." CreationDate="2015-11-09T11:44:01.787" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="11578" PostId="2544" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek this would be interesting to know.  In the interim to get a rough  idea one can use searches for &quot;Hello&quot; and &quot;Hi&quot; and &quot;Dear&quot; like  http://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=newest&amp;q=hello  or http://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=newest&amp;q=hi or http://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=newest&amp;q=dear with more than three thousand combined hits. Only a handful from after June 2013 when the script was introduced. I suspect  the number to be significant, and one should also factor in a learning effect. That is, when the script deletes once the user might get the hint and not include the it next time." CreationDate="2015-11-09T12:05:14.057" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11587" PostId="2544" Score="4" Text="As I said, my original question was purely motivated by curiosity, and I certainly didn't intend to (re?)open a can of worms. I don't think that the danger of accidentally censoring the names of Hairer or Hi is a serious problem: I imagine most of us look at our posts after posting them, and would just be amused and find a workaround. On the other hand, I'm not entirely convinced of the need to remove salutations. In questions, it seems weird to start with &quot;Hey guys!&quot; or whatever. But we're a community where there's a fair chance that somebody answering a question by a brand-new member will .." CreationDate="2015-11-09T14:46:26.943" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="11588" PostId="2544" Score="6" Text="... know them from outside MO (as in my case), and in that case it just seemed to me that it would be friendly to express my pleasure that he had come to MO, and that making him welcome might marginally increase the chance that he'd stick around." CreationDate="2015-11-09T14:49:56.667" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="11589" PostId="2544" Score="0" Text="@JeremyRickard  The comments make some good points. On the last point: in my opinion  a comment on the post is a good way to welcome somebody to the site. Generally, more  conversational parts are in my opinion often better included in comments. On the need: well we still have about ten questions that start with [&quot;Hey guys&quot;](http://mathoverflow.net/search?q=hey+guys) and  hundreds that start with a spurious &quot;Hi&quot;, &quot;Hi all&quot; etc. almost all from before we had that script." CreationDate="2015-11-09T15:02:54.293" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11556" PostId="2546" Score="3" Text="Looks like you need some punctuation immediately after the offending salutation." CreationDate="2015-11-07T18:55:28.847" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="11560" PostId="2547" Score="2" Text="It marks the question as one of your favorites, and then the question shows up in your favorites folder (found on your activity page)." CreationDate="2015-11-07T21:33:36.433" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="11566" PostId="2547" Score="0" Text="Placing the cursor on the star shows up the explanatory text &quot;This is a favorite question (click again to undo)&quot;. Then you can search the internet for &quot;mathoverflow favorite question&quot;. This gives a bunch of information." CreationDate="2015-11-08T10:03:58.730" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="16979" PostId="2547" Score="0" Text="Here is another related post: [What's the purpose of the favorite button?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3250)" CreationDate="2018-08-21T10:14:18.283" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="11561" PostId="2549" Score="4" Text="Actually, MathJax/LaTeX is overkill here. Since the salutation must be at the very beginning of the post, I'm nearly certain that a zero-width space (Unicode `U+200B` or HTML `&amp;#8203;`) would have the same effect, without having to render any MathJax. (Of course, it's more difficult to input such a character, but here's one for you to copy and paste: ​)." CreationDate="2015-11-08T06:18:02.687" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="11568" PostId="2549" Score="1" Text="If I see something like this on the man site I will edit it." CreationDate="2015-11-08T13:33:24.307" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11562" PostId="2550" Score="0" Text="Why down-votes?!" CreationDate="2015-11-08T06:46:56.450" UserDisplayName="user82509" />
  <row Id="11563" PostId="2550" Score="2" Text="This question should at least be on meta.MO. I've voted to move it there." CreationDate="2015-11-08T06:55:48.737" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11564" PostId="2550" Score="1" Text="You know that the answer is that they are hard, open problems. What more do you want?" CreationDate="2015-11-08T09:06:22.457" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="11565" PostId="2550" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson I'm not sure whether the question (2) is as hard as the others. Maybe one has some ideas about it." CreationDate="2015-11-08T09:08:31.173" UserDisplayName="user82509" />
  <row Id="11569" PostId="2552" Score="6" Text="The point being, this is not just a hypothetical discussion – there actually is a mathematician named Hi." CreationDate="2015-11-09T02:25:00.833" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="11572" PostId="2552" Score="1" Text="&quot;this is not just a hypothetical discussion&quot; To me it seems, so far it is. Or would you know of an actual instance where this  caused some problem?  *Hypothetical* instances where  the script could cause some problem got discussed at length elsewhere. For example, &quot;Hello World&quot; or some such thing, could somewhat plausibly be the start of some programming question. And so on. And so on." CreationDate="2015-11-09T07:36:11.800" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11573" PostId="2552" Score="1" Text="By the way, the actual problem here is that  you  do not correctly mark-up a copy-paste quote from MathSciNet : -)" CreationDate="2015-11-09T07:49:38.817" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11579" PostId="2554" Score="9" Text="I have a feeling many of these results will be skewed if checked by users of MO, since Google customizes results to the individual." CreationDate="2015-11-09T13:57:13.690" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="11580" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="Good point, but actually, for me the first results do not change for the examples given in the question." CreationDate="2015-11-09T14:03:50.383" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="11585" PostId="2554" Score="8" Text="It's not just about private mode. It's also about geolocation. Searching for &quot;cambridge&quot; in the US and in the UK will yield different results." CreationDate="2015-11-09T14:42:20.543" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11586" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Sure, you may include from where you searched in your answer. It could be quite interesting to see differences in the ranks depending on the location…" CreationDate="2015-11-09T14:44:33.693" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="11604" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="I have taken the liberty to replace the lmgtfy.com link with a real Google one. I don't think this is the right place to use lmgtfy; apart from looking a bit too passive-aggressive for my taste, it adds an unjustified delay before one can see the results of the search." CreationDate="2015-11-11T01:13:46.607" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="11609" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni That's ok with me. I thought of this as a fun question and hence, didn't mind the lmgtfy-link (especially since it ended up at the right page). I did not mean to appear or assume either passive, aggressive or passive-aggressive behavior…" CreationDate="2015-11-11T12:51:25.560" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="11582" PostId="2555" Score="1" Text="Excellent! It a pleasure to see that the urban legends from MO are on first place. The math jokes make place five for me (customized) but do not hit the front page when googling non-personalized." CreationDate="2015-11-09T14:24:19.710" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="11584" PostId="2557" Score="3" Text="For me even just &quot;good chalk&quot; without quotes gives 4th place." CreationDate="2015-11-09T14:38:49.250" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11593" PostId="2557" Score="1" Text="Looks like the query terms themselves are personalized.  Looks like fun.  Gerhard &quot;Maybe I'll Post Some Too&quot; Paseman, 2015.11.09" CreationDate="2015-11-09T18:27:36.817" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="11598" PostId="2559" Score="0" Text="There is another [very recent post on the subject](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2538/visited-unvisited-links-in-the-questions-answers) The tags were fine, I still tweaked them a bit: I added 'discussion' (such posts get more visibility) as you also call for a discussion on how to proceed, and the more specific design." CreationDate="2015-11-10T16:58:31.897" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11599" PostId="2559" Score="0" Text="Thanks! I searched for a while, but failed to find it." CreationDate="2015-11-10T17:00:08.063" UserId="76600" />
  <row Id="11600" PostId="2559" Score="1" Text="Concerning the visibility of visited links: I think you can make them look the same as unvisited links by switching off the browser history." CreationDate="2015-11-10T18:03:49.437" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11603" PostId="2559" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl that's a way around it, but it generates other (bigger?) issues. Sometimes I need to dig into my history for websites I visited, so I really like to have a browser history, and I am sure many other people feel the same." CreationDate="2015-11-10T19:10:16.277" UserId="76600" />
  <row Id="11605" PostId="2559" Score="0" Text="@quid I realize now that one scroll down on the newest questions page would have been enough to find the very recent post... I apologize again." CreationDate="2015-11-11T01:22:12.197" UserId="76600" />
  <row Id="11606" PostId="2559" Score="2" Text="Don't worry. The posts are complimentary. And, as discussed, the subject might need some more visibility." CreationDate="2015-11-11T01:42:05.343" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11601" PostId="2560" Score="2" Text="The main problem of a user script is that it means the problem is &quot;essentially&quot; correct. Which is why we don't have MathJax support on chatrooms associated with &quot;scientific sites&quot; (i.e. sites with MJ support). Because there's a ChatJax script." CreationDate="2015-11-10T18:23:40.947" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11602" PostId="2560" Score="2" Text="I agree with you. I have been trying to use something like &quot;click here&quot;, but I haven't seen any other attempt by others, so far (maybe I don't open enough questions, because of my area of interest). The idea of making some noise about it is exactly the one I had in mind. I'm too ignorant about scripts or anything else to guess what is possible and what's not." CreationDate="2015-11-10T18:24:25.927" UserId="76600" />
  <row Id="11610" PostId="2561" Score="3" Text="It seems that now the same colour is used for visited and unvisited links, which is confusing." CreationDate="2015-11-11T13:34:46.450" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="11611" PostId="2561" Score="3" Text="@Emil: That reminds me of my linear algebra I professor. He would write some proof and use $\alpha$ for one thing, then he would use $\alpha$ for another... then he reaches the end of the proof with, say $\alpha=2\alpha$ or some other obviously false equation. I'd remark that the second $\alpha$ should be denoted as $\beta$ instead and he would go to replace *all* the $\alpha$'s by $\beta$ only to arrive at $\beta=2\beta$ again. Then I'd guide him through which $\beta$ should be $\alpha$. And my classmates would also be angry at me for not doing that from the get go... :-P" CreationDate="2015-11-11T13:41:40.387" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11612" PostId="2561" Score="4" Text="I think the situation now is far away from being optimal, but (IMO) better than before... So I consider myself satisfied. And, that's quite a result, as an Italian, complaining is my thing." CreationDate="2015-11-11T15:41:37.287" UserId="76600" />
  <row Id="11613" PostId="2561" Score="2" Text="@SilviaGhinassi what would you consider being optimal?" CreationDate="2015-11-11T15:46:37.940" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11614" PostId="2561" Score="3" Text="Thanks for asking! As mentioned by @EmilJeřábek, visited and unvisted links have the same color; also, visited questions are now a very light gray (both on the columns on the right, and on the questions page), sometimes hard to see on some screens." CreationDate="2015-11-11T15:49:04.097" UserId="76600" />
  <row Id="11615" PostId="2561" Score="2" Text="I will push a few tweaks that address these concerns as soon as I get a chance." CreationDate="2015-11-11T15:57:04.543" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11616" PostId="2561" Score="5" Text="Concerning the very light gray, I’d add that it looks quite like the dimming that up till now indicated heavily downvoted questions, which is also confusing. But this may be just a matter of getting used to it." CreationDate="2015-11-11T15:58:41.693" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="11619" PostId="2561" Score="3" Text="My eyes hurt now when I look at the main page." CreationDate="2015-11-11T18:30:59.330" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11620" PostId="2561" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Sigh. I too like the black question titles better, but when we have that the only way to show visited links is by having them be gray. This is the same convention we have on multiple other community sites and it works quite well. I don't believe we'll reach a solution that 100% of the community members are 100% happy with." CreationDate="2015-11-11T18:33:50.447" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11621" PostId="2561" Score="2" Text="Can we make the shades ever so slightly darker, though? In terms of HSV decrease the hue and value by 5% maybe. Not sure how that would translate to RGB." CreationDate="2015-11-11T18:41:07.573" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11625" PostId="2561" Score="3" Text="Can we perhaps change the background colour of favourite-tagged questions to something else than blue? Especially visited questions now almost blend in." CreationDate="2015-11-11T20:26:20.433" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="11626" PostId="2561" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila and Emil, I will make a few tweaks as soon as I can." CreationDate="2015-11-11T20:27:31.990" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11627" PostId="2561" Score="2" Text="Kurtis, what @Emil says is not news. http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1488/change-of-colors" CreationDate="2015-11-11T20:37:50.710" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11686" PostId="2561" Score="0" Text="@KurtisBeavers One simple question: why is it important that previously visited questions have different colors? On MSE, for instance, the color stays the same and nobody has issues with that, as far as I know." CreationDate="2015-11-14T18:11:53.043" UserId="76600" />
  <row Id="11691" PostId="2561" Score="0" Text="@SilviaGhinassi it's simply a way to show which questions you've already viewed. It's a standard convention. Not everyone finds it useful, but some people do. MSE does have a visited color, it's just so subtle you can't really notice it on some monitors." CreationDate="2015-11-16T15:13:33.217" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11728" PostId="2561" Score="1" Text="It took me a moment to get used to, but now I am very happy with the new link colors. Thanks for the change." CreationDate="2015-11-18T10:50:35.223" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11731" PostId="2561" Score="0" Text="Thanks from me, too." CreationDate="2015-11-18T17:42:23.513" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="11732" PostId="2561" Score="0" Text="No problem. I darkened them a smidge." CreationDate="2015-11-18T17:48:21.053" UserId="75292" />
  <row Id="11617" PostId="2562" Score="1" Text="It is good to chose some specific tags too. (I removed the &quot;bug&quot; to have some more space and as it is not technically a &quot;bug&quot;.  Note that thus tagged question actually enter a bug-tracker.)" CreationDate="2015-11-11T18:15:35.963" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11618" PostId="2562" Score="1" Text="@quid Thanks, that last circumstance did not occur to me" CreationDate="2015-11-11T18:20:23.110" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11641" PostId="2562" Score="3" Text="A middle button/scroll wheel click will typically open links in a new tab, and does not interact in any special way with the MathJax." CreationDate="2015-11-13T15:55:48.707" UserId="25485" />
  <row Id="11821" PostId="2562" Score="0" Text="@BenBarber wow thanks I would never expect that! Of course the only reason I preferred right-click-menu over control-click was that I did not need keyboard, so this is even better!" CreationDate="2015-11-24T13:15:00.037" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="19994" PostId="2562" Score="0" Text="Does wrong-clicking do the right thing?" CreationDate="2019-05-08T13:21:18.383" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="11622" PostId="2564" Score="2" Text="The downvotes and closure do not necessarily suggest it is trivial. Rather they might just suggest the question is terribly written and thus deemed unsuitable, irrespective of its precise mathematical content. Let me add that I do not have a personal opinion on the content of this particular question (I also did not vote on it), but I am of the opinion that there are minimal standards on the presentation that should be enforced. It might be a good idea though to explain this when closing." CreationDate="2015-11-11T19:54:57.257" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11623" PostId="2564" Score="3" Text="@quid We've both been here a long time. I said they *might* suggest that. No explanation is given, so we are left guessing what the problem actually  is. I don't think the question is *terribly* written; do you think that? If we tweaked it to read, &quot;Let $X$ be a compact topological manifold with boundary, and suppose its interior is homeomorphic to an (open) ball. Is $X$ a (closed) ball?&quot;, then is it still terribly written? I wouldn't really think so." CreationDate="2015-11-11T20:00:25.127" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11624" PostId="2564" Score="0" Text="Point taken on the &quot;might.&quot;  The rewrite you propose is still a very poorly presented question, as it lacks all context and motivation. By contrast the well-received question you reference gives some context." CreationDate="2015-11-11T20:07:46.953" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11628" PostId="2564" Score="5" Text="@quid There is ample precedent for short, snappy questions which don't include motivations/context, that have been well received. It is highly questionable whether questions that are short and snappy are ipso facto &quot;poor&quot;. In any case, if this is the only objection, then I have to think that the reaction was likewise &quot;poorly presented&quot; (except perhaps for the possibility it does have a trivial answer I have overlooked)." CreationDate="2015-11-11T21:18:52.647" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11629" PostId="2564" Score="1" Text="Yes, unfortunately, that's true. Many a complicated debate could have been avoided would there be only consensus that the official guide, which asks for context, on how to ask a question is somewhat binding (and to be sure that guide was written by &quot;us&quot; not SE).  Of course, a snappy question *can* &quot;fly&quot; and if it flies it might even fly higher than the same question with context. But, first, it is more fragile so to say. And also it does not alter the fact that it would still be a ultimately better question with some context even if it might get less upvotes." CreationDate="2015-11-11T22:22:16.120" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11630" PostId="2564" Score="0" Text="@quid I added already a comment to the post suggesting adding some context. I can see the point of your last comment, but I think it would be hard getting community consensus on making it a *rule*." CreationDate="2015-11-11T22:43:51.960" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11631" PostId="2564" Score="0" Text="I saw that comment. Thanks for adding it. To reply also to your second remark from the earlier comment: there is no disagreement there. I said right away 'It might be a good idea though to explain this when closing.' Certainly I am not blind to the fact that a closure without comment and the most generic reason is not optimal." CreationDate="2015-11-11T22:48:32.233" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11634" PostId="2564" Score="3" Text="I don't agree at all the the presentation was particularly poor, and find it appalling that it got 5 downvotes and was closed within an hour.  It could have been written better, sure, but I strongly agree with Todd's remark that the question is self-motivating." CreationDate="2015-11-12T16:29:45.907" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="11635" PostId="2564" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey  is the question better with or without the context?" CreationDate="2015-11-12T16:35:48.467" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11636" PostId="2564" Score="7" Text="@EricWofsey Agree with you very strongly. Again I would ask closers: if you are closing because you think the question is &quot;not research level&quot;, then please please please take a moment to ask yourself whether you know enough about the subject to make that call. (If you don't, then leave it alone.) If the real reason for closure is that you think it's not well written, then please leave a note for the poor newcomer explaining how the post might be improved." CreationDate="2015-11-12T16:35:59.747" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11637" PostId="2564" Score="2" Text="@quid: Obviously it is better with context, but that doesn't mean it was a bad question that needed to be put on hold, let alone put on hold with the swiftness and accompanying downvotes normally given only to calculus questions and their ilk." CreationDate="2015-11-12T16:40:03.167" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="11638" PostId="2564" Score="7" Text="I was one of the people voting to close.  I thought there were trivial counter-examples.  I realize now that my trivial counter-examples are not counter-examples.  My apologies to the OP." CreationDate="2015-11-12T16:43:30.433" UserId="468" />
  <row Id="11639" PostId="2564" Score="0" Text="@EricWofsey if what are in my opinion proper procedures would be followed this and related situations would go over much more smoothly. The users showing your type of reaction in such situations are in my firm opinion in the end not all that helpful either, but rather make a bad situation worse." CreationDate="2015-11-12T16:47:32.480" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11632" PostId="2565" Score="1" Text="It seems like a reasonable question to me. If you state it as a reference request along the lines of &quot;I've convinced myself that this is true, but suspect that it should have already appeared in the literature&quot; etc etc, then I would have thought it would be received positively... You could also flag up if you have any lingering doubts." CreationDate="2015-11-12T15:05:32.463" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="11640" PostId="2565" Score="3" Text="Asking if it is in the literature (after you have done some looking) is definitely on-topic for MathOverflow; asking for feedback of your proof not so much.  If you have an idea of how a simple proof might go, or want to verify a step in your proof, and are willing to accept a different proof, you can ask about the step or for a different proof.  You can then point to your work for comparison, and maybe someone will have something to say about that.  But don't ask them to read your stuff to answer your question.  Gerhard &quot;Nobody Likes To Read Anyway&quot; Paseman, 2015.11.12" CreationDate="2015-11-12T17:58:32.950" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="11654" PostId="2565" Score="0" Text="OK, I've gone ahead and [asked on MO](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/223541/reference-for-instability-of-newton-basins-of-polynomials-at-separation-of-a-m), keeping in mind @GerhardPaseman's advice to *not* ask anyone to read my work.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2015-11-13T22:19:29.953" UserId="16518" />
  <row Id="11642" PostId="2566" Score="6" Text="My linear algebra professor used to tell us that if we go to the matrix market, and someone offers us a matrix tat he worked on for a very long time, we should ask to pass only finitely many vectors through before buying. Then we should input the basis vectors, and we'll know the matrix without paying. In this case, just click [edit]. :-)" CreationDate="2015-11-13T18:52:46.793" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11643" PostId="2566" Score="1" Text="@Asaf this needs 2000+ though. (One could read the source of the page.)" CreationDate="2015-11-13T19:06:08.430" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11644" PostId="2566" Score="0" Text="@quid: Odd, I was sure that when I clicked the &quot;edit&quot; button (also in the link at the end of my comment) I could see exactly what was going on..." CreationDate="2015-11-13T19:07:23.420" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11645" PostId="2566" Score="1" Text="@Asaf I am not sure what is odd as you have well over 2000 points." CreationDate="2015-11-13T19:08:39.897" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11646" PostId="2566" Score="0" Text="@quid: If only we could have had a feature for suggesting edits for people with &lt;2000 points... :-)" CreationDate="2015-11-13T19:11:29.870" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11647" PostId="2566" Score="0" Text="@Asaf indeed, this would be convenient for them in such a situation. As it works quite well on the main site, they might also implement it for the meta site, eventually." CreationDate="2015-11-13T19:17:10.373" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11648" PostId="2566" Score="3" Text="@quid: Huh, that's something I didn't know about the meta sites. Kudos!" CreationDate="2015-11-13T19:23:25.107" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11649" PostId="2567" Score="0" Text="I think you're just really that good: the corresponding number in my profile is a plain 8%.  Perhaps on some of the larger sites most of the active users are in the top few percent, so they find the added precision useful." CreationDate="2015-11-13T19:43:47.300" UserId="25485" />
  <row Id="11650" PostId="2567" Score="0" Text="Alternative comment: top 0.9% is in fact quite a _good_ lower bound, unlike 0.9th percentile." CreationDate="2015-11-13T19:51:40.187" UserId="25485" />
  <row Id="11651" PostId="2567" Score="8" Text="Only users with at least 200 points are counted here. -- You are presently ranked 28th among 3108 ranked users, and $28/3108 = 0.0090 \dots$. This is where the &quot;top 0.90% this year&quot; come from, as far as I understand." CreationDate="2015-11-13T20:27:04.753" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11652" PostId="2567" Score="2" Text="The way this is intended to read is that if that if number of users is $X$ this particular user is among the $0.009 X$ best users, or is the $0.009 X$ best user, up to rounding. Thus the smaller the number the better. JDH is top 0.03% overall, while I am only top 2%. (The same for year.) I am not clear on what the perceived bug is. Could you please clarify this more." CreationDate="2015-11-13T20:29:06.783" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11653" PostId="2567" Score="7" Text="Okay, thanks to all, I was mis-interpreting. For some reason, I was taking &quot;top 90%&quot; to mean &quot;better than 90% of the users&quot;, instead of meaning &quot;better than 10%&quot; of the users. Since the question reflects my total lack of understanding, maybe I should just delete it." CreationDate="2015-11-13T20:46:53.230" UserId="11926" />
  <row Id="21031" PostId="2567" Score="0" Text="This question seems a bit related: [An error in calculations of percents in reputations?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3497)" CreationDate="2019-09-08T15:40:11.873" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="11692" PostId="2574" Score="1" Text="As mentioned in a letter to the moderators, it is preferable to have a chat room or perhaps a posting on tea to handle discussions which may be potentially disruptive than to have a locked post with no avenue for discussion.  ( Thanks for leaving this one unlocked.)  I would like to know if Stackexchange is helping with  mollifying the attacks or forming the policy.  I am willing to take this to chat.   :(" CreationDate="2015-11-17T00:54:36.053" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="11693" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman: Yes, we are working with SE folks, but our primary concern is MO itself. We have always had a policy of openness. We decided to leave this post open to discuss the general ideas behind the recent actions. We still want to avoid discussing specific cases and incidents so we don't compromise the identity of users involved. This is why we posted this discussion separately. We seek positive input on the issues involved." CreationDate="2015-11-17T00:58:13.430" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11694" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="OK.  I will contribute some input, and anyone who wishes to help me can find my user page and email me.  Note that the input will be based on an outside perspective and will lean as far as can be managed toward keeping things open and tolerating a certain amount of problematic behaviour.  Even though it will be better to clamp down, I think the perspective will be a useful reminder.  :|" CreationDate="2015-11-17T01:04:13.363" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="11695" PostId="2574" Score="8" Text="Did you ever consider that the real-names policy is part of the problem and not of  the solution? To me this seems quite clear." CreationDate="2015-11-17T01:33:05.130" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11696" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="@quid: Yes, this is (one of the reasons) why this discussion exists!" CreationDate="2015-11-17T01:33:58.260" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11698" PostId="2574" Score="9" Text="@quid: Could you expand your comment? How might the real-names policy be part of the problem?" CreationDate="2015-11-17T01:43:37.400" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="11699" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke please see my answer, second paragraph of the relevant section." CreationDate="2015-11-17T01:59:05.763" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11700" PostId="2574" Score="22" Text="It does not seem possible to me to answer the question of what should be our anonymity policy without understanding the nature of the &quot;attacks&quot; and other recent problems, which (for good reason) cannot be discussed. So I am content to trust the moderators to set a policy without much input from the community, which input will necessarily be largely uninformed." CreationDate="2015-11-17T02:28:08.150" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="11701" PostId="2574" Score="2" Text="@JosephO'Rourke I understand the issue but we can't disclose much at the moment. We are, however, very concerned about the general issues presented by the situation and we would appreciate input from the community on how to handle this in a general sense. After all, this is not the first round of attacks MO went through and it is almost surely not the last... What grounding principles should we have in future circumstances? This is not a bad way to ask nearly the same question." CreationDate="2015-11-17T03:29:09.710" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11704" PostId="2574" Score="4" Text="How do we verify that a user is using his/her real name?  (For example, what if the user is a new graduate student and doesn't have a department website or any publications?)  (I know that this has been discussed many times before, but perhaps someone could provide links to the discussion.)" CreationDate="2015-11-17T07:22:00.740" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="11705" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="It seems that a *real name* is defined [here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1113/) as &quot;a link to the professional webpage of the person who is posting.&quot;  But this does not cover the case of users with no webpages." CreationDate="2015-11-17T07:38:55.170" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="11707" PostId="2574" Score="7" Text="Would simply suspending or removing fresh accounts the moment they start to misbehave be an option to deal with this? Manually confirming the real name of users is a lot of work and the process could be exploited. In cases where problem users try to hide their identity I find it easier to simply act on the base of behaviour instead, then I don't actually have to find out if it is the same user." CreationDate="2015-11-17T08:56:11.950" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="11712" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist there are AFAIK or rather infer than know persistent problems with ban-evasions. A question to consider is thus if one does or does not accept these evasions (or does something in the middle). If one does, what you propose would work. But if one wishes to enforce the ban then the situation is a bit different. An underlying subquestion is likely how are bans handled and what do they actually mean. Due to the real names situation on this site the situation is  perhaps somewhat different on this site than elsewhere." CreationDate="2015-11-17T13:44:07.180" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11719" PostId="2574" Score="6" Text="Isn't similar problematic users present on other sites like MSE and SO? I don't see why MO would need a different way to deal with problematic users." CreationDate="2015-11-17T21:57:03.770" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="11720" PostId="2574" Score="8" Text="@quid If users evade a ban by behaving different enough to avoid being recognized and by not causing the same kind of trouble again they were suspended for, I'd say &quot;mission accomplished&quot;. There is not really a way to entirely block a user determined on getting access and a lot of time to waste. Focusing on problematic behaviour protects the site and avoids chasing users that you can't always catch anyway. I like to avoid spending more time catching trolls that it takes them to create new accounts." CreationDate="2015-11-17T22:26:56.967" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="11721" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist personally, for the most part I agree  this is a reasonable approach." CreationDate="2015-11-17T22:45:09.520" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11724" PostId="2574" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh The nature of the attacks is very different from the typical problematic users. We've been quite successful at containing effects on the front end of MO, but the attacks are now targeted at the back end of MO." CreationDate="2015-11-17T23:22:12.947" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11725" PostId="2574" Score="1" Text="@François, I see. So IIUC the issue is that because of the problematic user using anonymity tools (e.g. Tor) the typical blocking of ip ranges doesn't work well. I think it is strange if they haven't dealt with something similar at SO." CreationDate="2015-11-18T02:28:03.593" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="11726" PostId="2574" Score="4" Text="@Kaveh We've had to deal with anonymizing tools for a while and our defenses there work pretty well. However, such tools are definitely facilitating the problem. I'm sorry I can't go into details right now. Let's avoid playing the 20 questions game. We don't plan on keeping details hidden forever; we just haven't had time to fully assess the situation. I guess I can say that the attacks are targeted at the human back end of MO rather than the software back end. The end goal doesn't appear to be gaining access to the site." CreationDate="2015-11-18T02:44:27.817" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11730" PostId="2574" Score="3" Text="I'll somewhat echo @MadScientist and say that I would caution against anything that would require more effort on the moderator team's part in general than thwarting these &quot;attacks&quot;. From my own experiences I know that moderating is occasionally much more taxing and time-consuming than it ought to be, and whack-a-mole is fun for only a very short time. But administering a policy against (some? new?) anonymous users may be even more time-consuming and taxing, with questionable efficacy." CreationDate="2015-11-18T11:02:52.647" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="11749" PostId="2574" Score="3" Text="I'm very surprised that anybody tried to attack MO. I have never seen problematic users here like on other sites. (Is this due to swift moderation removing nonsense. If so, good job moderators.) But I login infrequently, perhaps I miss these things when they occur. I suggest it's very difficult to plan for rare events (like in markets). So I don't suggest doing anything more than automating additional defenses. Security always costs something, you can't be insured for free. Costs of security can outweigh benefits in case of quite rare events like this. Unless I am mistaken and this isn't rare." CreationDate="2015-11-20T01:15:08.687" UserId="58777" />
  <row Id="11752" PostId="2574" Score="10" Text="I support keeping the current policy regarding anonymity. When in comes to content I support the policy of deleting abusive contents/other content and be strict about it even in cases of doubt. When it comes to individuals, I support tolerance to a variety of ways in which people use MO and present themselves and anonymity is fully legitimate." CreationDate="2015-11-20T06:28:50.187" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="11783" PostId="2574" Score="6" Text="&quot;In view of recent attacks on MO...&quot;&#xA;**Which attacks?**" CreationDate="2015-11-22T15:36:30.920" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="11785" PostId="2574" Score="1" Text="@MahdiMajidi-Zolbanin in a comment OP sayss &quot;We don't plan on keeping details hidden forever; we just haven't had time to fully assess the situation.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-11-22T19:29:29.100" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11787" PostId="2574" Score="10" Text="@MahdiMajidi-Zolbanin: We're mostly concerned with a resurgence of known troublemakers using elaborate false identity schemes to access the site. One such user has been known to impersonate others on other sites for defamation purposes. The situation seems to be calm now but there are still reasons to be cautious." CreationDate="2015-11-22T22:32:50.543" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11788" PostId="2574" Score="4" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: According to what you know, has this user misbehaved to an extent where it may be a case for justice, or rather not so?" CreationDate="2015-11-22T22:46:36.120" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11789" PostId="2574" Score="5" Text="@StefanKohl: Yes. One such early incident involved moderators and we decided not to pursue that course of action at the time." CreationDate="2015-11-22T23:03:53.340" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11982" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: Given today's edit to this question and the deletion of a corresponding announcement, are the issues resolved now?" CreationDate="2015-12-09T17:38:24.540" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11983" PostId="2574" Score="5" Text="@StefanKohl: Things are under control but not because of our change in policy. I would still advise caution with suspicious behavior." CreationDate="2015-12-09T17:44:33.607" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="27661" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="In my **opinion/view** it should be required to edit a file for the moderators/owners of MathOverflow with the identity, name and surnames, national identity card, adress, an electronic mail and academic titles (degrees,...) for anonymous users that edit posts or comments in MathOverflow since this is a site for professionals (I provided this information it in a rant $\approx$ two years ago when I wrote to the moderators to their official email after they deleted one of my posts). I think that the site is more safe for all with this file that I evoke, as well as for the account control." CreationDate="2022-09-14T14:41:57.700" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="11747" PostId="2576" Score="4" Text="&quot;I think one should resist the temptation to try to install policies one cannot enforce. It can back-fire.&quot; Agreed 100%. This is the decisive argument for this thing." CreationDate="2015-11-20T00:46:04.513" UserId="58777" />
  <row Id="11702" PostId="2577" Score="8" Text="For early career mathematicians, not to say grad students, MathOverflow can be a wonderful opportunity for increasing their networking skills. I always recommend the site, and always recommend to use real names. My experience with it had been great. Despite the bad things that happened, and would have been avoided if I had used a pseudonym." CreationDate="2015-11-17T06:39:51.220" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11703" PostId="2577" Score="7" Text="If real-name usernames were required on MO, I would not have joined as early in my career as I did, and it's likely I would never have joined at all. I suppose each user can weigh my reputation and decide whether that's a point in favor of real names or a strike against them (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_the_Dead#/media/File:Weighing_of_the_heart3.jpg)." CreationDate="2015-11-17T06:47:02.443" UserId="1096" />
  <row Id="11706" PostId="2577" Score="6" Text="But MO does not have an educational mission in any sense like implied in this answer. The cases listed are not generally applicable to those for whom MO is meant (this is the sort of thing MSE is good at)." CreationDate="2015-11-17T08:19:21.600" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="11708" PostId="2577" Score="8" Text="@TobiasKildetoft point 2. seems fully applicable (and much less applicable to math.se), and point 1. too, depending on the interpretation (but I can see that the word &quot;children&quot; might have caused associations that lead to your comment)." CreationDate="2015-11-17T09:34:34.383" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11713" PostId="2577" Score="1" Text="I see these as reasons to allow people to post on MathOverflow using ( nonharmful ) user names.  I do NOT see these as reasons to register with moderators using false or misleading credentials, or even no credentials.  Can you give reasons for anonymous registration? :\" CreationDate="2015-11-17T17:02:12.140" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="11714" PostId="2577" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman Two things: first, the question among others asks &quot;Should we require using real names?&quot; (it says &quot;using&quot; not &quot;providing&quot;). While I agree it makes sense to keep these two separate. The question does not. I do not see why you would reproach this the answer.  Second, depending on circumstances one may or may not be comfortable to provide such details even if *it is  claimed* not to become public. I have confidence in the MO mods that they do not leak such info willingly or accidentally, and in SE that they set up the site so that it will not be comprised." CreationDate="2015-11-17T18:51:29.713" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11715" PostId="2577" Score="2" Text="But, it is not unheard of that supposedly confidential account data gets compromised and made public. Now, I do agree that it is not all that likely, but still somebody might be worried about it (not I). What I agree about is that providing false information is an odd thing to do. Yet, I think you ask the wrong question: you ought to give reasons for personalized registration not the other way round. Especially in light of events that seem to show that this is not only pointless but rather causes  problems the onus is more than ever on those that want it to present an argument. @GerhardPaseman" CreationDate="2015-11-17T18:53:46.967" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11716" PostId="2577" Score="1" Text="If I intend to reproach anything, it is the conflation (anon. username and anon. registration), not the question, answer, or their makers.  I think the distinction should be emphasized.  My major reason for personalized registration is accountability.  I do not see either your reasons or EJI's as good reasons to &quot;evade the moderators&quot;.  Of course, there may be a good reason that benefits the forum and its community: let's see it. :((" CreationDate="2015-11-17T19:01:52.920" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="11717" PostId="2577" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman I agree that the distinction should be emphasized. And, I tried to give you some reasons why somebody might hesitate to give the data. Furthermore, what is &quot;evade the moderators&quot; supposed to mean exactly? What can they, what should they, do beyond the realms of the site? Specifically, what could the moderators do about your behavior that they cannot do about mine? Please be specific. (There may be situations where this could be relevant, but they should be extremely isolated and really even then it is truly not obvious what can be done.)" CreationDate="2015-11-17T19:17:26.090" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11718" PostId="2577" Score="0" Text="@quid, I've chosen to edit my answer rather than continue in comments.  Feel free to move this over to a comment thread on my post. :||" CreationDate="2015-11-17T19:53:11.217" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="11727" PostId="2577" Score="4" Text="Your post is definitely me here." CreationDate="2015-11-18T05:27:45.770" UserDisplayName="user82419" />
  <row Id="11733" PostId="2577" Score="3" Text="If you're afraid of being wrong in public, then mathematics is not for you." CreationDate="2015-11-19T01:16:17.110" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="11734" PostId="2577" Score="20" Text="@ChristianRemling Once I was afraid in the way you describe. Should I have been told mathematics was not for me? I like to think I have done tolerably well at it, eventually, since those days" CreationDate="2015-11-19T01:50:19.297" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="11735" PostId="2577" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi: I had meant this as a rather light-hearted remark, along the lines of: if you do math for a living, you'll be wrong a lot, and some of the time in public, so why not get used to it now. (Also, by &quot;you&quot; you mean the OP? I was quoting from the OP.)" CreationDate="2015-11-19T02:48:47.227" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="11748" PostId="2577" Score="1" Text="(1) I agree with EJI. Many papers in experimental psychology on this is. (2) While this is decisive, I do agree with C. Remling. Scientists often makes plenty of errors in public, should learn not to fear this, agreed. I've been wrong in public with utterly trivial (in hindsight) absent minded calculation errors. People point it out, I say thank you. Two questions on MO like that. I deleted those once I realized the mistake. If many nontrivial hypotheses are made, they can't all be right. Worst case all are wrong, best case all but one. That doesn't stop publishing. (1) is decisive tho here." CreationDate="2015-11-20T01:02:43.083" UserId="58777" />
  <row Id="11762" PostId="2577" Score="6" Text="@Christian: Someone once jokingly said that being a mathematician is being wrong 99% of the time, and hoping to be remembered only for the other 1%. (Okay, cards on the table, that someone was me.)" CreationDate="2015-11-20T14:27:36.727" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11722" PostId="2578" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the details. As I said &quot;There may be situations where this could be relevant, but they should be extremely isolated and really even then it is truly not obvious what can be done.&quot; Your description confirms this. In this regard I'd like to point out that the formulation &quot;Do something for which you need to answer to the moderators and or forum community, then[...]&quot; is quite misleading as the moderators can in fact contact any user directly." CreationDate="2015-11-17T22:56:30.777" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11723" PostId="2578" Score="0" Text="It is more &quot;Do something so that the mods see fit to send the police to your home&quot; where your scenario applies. It could happen, but I am not sure it makes sense to design the sign-up process around this idea. But, to find a point of agreement, to insist on verifiable and verified identification on sign-up would have some actual effect. (Though I continue to think the emphasis is completely misplaced.)" CreationDate="2015-11-17T22:56:38.190" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11709" PostId="2579" Score="2" Text="The question of restricted sign-up and  real-names need to be used as display-names are quite orthogonal. On the &quot;attacks.&quot; I cannot know if this is what is referred to but  what I noticed happening was that numerous &quot;new&quot; users asked question to create what can be seen as some kind of flooding-attack (it was not &quot;spam&quot; only substandard question, but not very bad either). It seems to me requiring &quot;real names&quot; would have done nothing to prevent this. Restricted sign-up would, but this would need to be implemented, and the question is if one really wants to go that far." CreationDate="2015-11-17T11:32:43.257" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11710" PostId="2579" Score="1" Text="@quid: At least in the last 10 days, from the post numbers I see no indication of a large number of deleted questions, and also there don't seem to be unusually many downvoted or closed questions such as to speak of an &quot;attack&quot;. Or what do you refer to? -- Given what the moderators say, I would have thought it's something notably more serious." CreationDate="2015-11-17T11:57:38.763" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11711" PostId="2579" Score="4" Text="As I said it was &quot;only substandard question[s], but not very bad either.&quot; By now several of them are answered or up-voted. Further, the user names changed and meanwhile look like real names, further illustrating my point. When you think about potential implications, this could become quite serious if it is malicious." CreationDate="2015-11-17T12:09:25.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11736" PostId="2581" Score="1" Text="I think you are missing the point that *some* people will be forced to use their real names. Not everyone at all. And the points you raise seem to me as an excellent reason for these people to be on their best behavior, rather than using anonymity as a shield for misbehaving. If you came to the site to troll, why would you care if you get suspended under a fake name? If you have to use your real name, then this might have real world consequences so you'd be less inclined towards misbehaving." CreationDate="2015-11-19T03:41:19.143" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11737" PostId="2581" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila: Ah! This wasn't all that obvious from the OP, which looked like an invitation to revise the anonymity-by-default policy. I am still unsure if it is me misreading the OP or you (or do you know its purpose from first hands?). To me it appears that the ban-on-anonymity-for-*some*-users has already been decided (which ban, in itself, does not break new ground: we have already banned some users completely, haven't we?), and this particular topic is bringing up the question of anonymity for *all* users." CreationDate="2015-11-19T03:44:08.850" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="11738" PostId="2581" Score="0" Text="Well, read this in light of http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2573/real-names-for-problematic-users and http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2575/warning-on-increased-disruptive-activities" CreationDate="2015-11-19T03:46:13.950" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11739" PostId="2581" Score="7" Text="@AsafKaragila: I did, but as I said, to me it seems that this thread is about a wider-reaching real-name policy. &quot;Should we ban any users that use anonymizing tools to hide their identity? Should we require using real names?&quot; This is not about some known vandals." CreationDate="2015-11-19T03:49:23.693" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="11741" PostId="2581" Score="0" Text="I don't know... Maybe you're right. But I just don't think it's feasible at all to prohibit anonymity entirely. So I'm just not trying to read it that way." CreationDate="2015-11-19T03:54:34.870" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11743" PostId="2581" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: it may well be true that some users &quot;[are] less inclined towards misbehaving&quot; when &quot;forced to use their real names.&quot; However, as said in my post, those that  cause the real trouble often do so regardless the real name. (Mentally name the top-five SE users that caused you most annoyance. How many had used their real-name?) In the end this is also unsurprising, as those often are **sure** they are in the right anyway, and only due to some severe misfortune they happen to be around some of the very few that just can't see it; but the rest of the world  knows or  at least will know this.  ." CreationDate="2015-11-19T13:21:38.373" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11744" PostId="2581" Score="0" Text="@quid: Incidentally, the top three also used sockpuppet accounts (more than once each!), and each of them used these in a completely different way. But that's besides the point, I guess. :-)" CreationDate="2015-11-19T13:26:01.760" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11745" PostId="2581" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: I take it this is a wordy way to say that at least the top three had used their real-name. :-)  (But, yes, sock-puppets and ban evasion is a problem.)" CreationDate="2015-11-19T13:31:20.143" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11746" PostId="2581" Score="1" Text="@quid: Although the three I recalled are not surprising for being there, and you're right. In their mind eyes, they had the right idea to begin with, and everyone disagreeing is wrong. But there were more than a few instances of pinpointed tackles with people, where they were obnoxious beyond words, and I'm afraid that those were mostly anonymous users (or at least the ones I can recall with ease)." CreationDate="2015-11-19T14:10:18.647" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11751" PostId="2581" Score="3" Text="Points 3 and 5 are very good. Too bad answers can't be joined into one with two authors. (This plus EJI's as top post.) In last three years, I remember somebody I knew fired for publishing without permission (work unrelated to their job entirely, because they were in industry and the company had a broad permission for publishing anything policy. (Because each worker is affiliated with the employing entity.)" CreationDate="2015-11-20T01:26:43.163" UserId="58777" />
  <row Id="11753" PostId="2582" Score="1" Text="Are you happy with the results of the 'cite' button that appears below the post?  There's also the 'share' functionality for linking." CreationDate="2015-11-20T12:43:37.260" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11754" PostId="2582" Score="1" Text="See http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1631/formatting-a-citation-to-a-mathoverflow-answer (note that the cite-link moved though) More generally see the questions tagged [meta-tag:citations]." CreationDate="2015-11-20T13:05:37.310" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11755" PostId="2582" Score="2" Text="Note that the share-features creates a personalized link that contains your userID; for citations you might want to omit this last bit." CreationDate="2015-11-20T13:07:23.867" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11756" PostId="2582" Score="0" Text="@quid: And miss the opportunity for a Publicist badge earned through Annals of Mathematics? :-)" CreationDate="2015-11-20T13:08:56.370" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11757" PostId="2582" Score="0" Text="@Asaf: well, I said &quot;might.&quot; :-) Mainly I said it as some claimed to find this feature borderline dangerous. So I felt like issuing a warning." CreationDate="2015-11-20T13:11:15.627" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11758" PostId="2582" Score="0" Text="OK, I see that there was an answer - thanks for pointing it out." CreationDate="2015-11-20T13:36:34.960" UserId="29625" />
  <row Id="11759" PostId="2583" Score="5" Text="Awesome. Awesome to the max." CreationDate="2015-11-20T14:17:30.700" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11760" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="(How many people except for me were actively using the original script, by the way? Please vote this comment if you were one of them.)" CreationDate="2015-11-20T14:18:44.147" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11764" PostId="2583" Score="4" Text="I guess that link to the post about the original script should be mentioned: [Formatting citations to the literature on MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1485/formatting-citations-to-the-literature-on-mathoverflow)" CreationDate="2015-11-20T15:22:00.143" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="11768" PostId="2583" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila I was activiely using the original script at first, but then it stopped working for me shortly after it was available, when there was some kind of upgrade if I recall, and I haven't used it since then." CreationDate="2015-11-21T12:08:02.617" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="11796" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="Wow - this means free Mathscinet search access for everyone on the planet? How did you get the AMS agree to this without fear of getting out of business?" CreationDate="2015-11-23T05:04:19.513" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="11806" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni We don't provide review access. AMS Math Reviews does provide this for everyone via [MRef](http://www.ams.org/mref) and [MR lookup](http://www.ams.org/mrlookup)." CreationDate="2015-11-23T18:24:38.753" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11808" PostId="2583" Score="1" Text="Perhaps the new script is related to these two mathjax bugs? (Both bugs aren't reproducible on meta.) http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2596/braces-dont-render-in-preview http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2600/formatting-problem" CreationDate="2015-11-23T18:30:20.563" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11809" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais - I very much doubt that and cannot reproduce. If anyone who can reproduce would post whether they get any javascript errors on the page (F12 should bring up developer tools that will display any such errors), that would help with debugging/fixing (and ascertaining where the problem is)." CreationDate="2015-11-23T18:49:52.393" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11810" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="I can reproduce both bugs but I didn't find any javascript errors. Did anything else change with the preview? I can't think of anything else that happened with the preview on main and not on meta." CreationDate="2015-11-23T19:27:05.657" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11811" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="Thing is - the citation helper doesn't have much to do with the preview (in particular if you don't use the script - don't click the button). It does call MathJax and requests a preview refresh, but only after selecting a citation. I am still trying to reproduce." CreationDate="2015-11-23T19:38:41.963" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11812" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais - I don't believe anything else changed on our end. I am on Windows, and trying with both Chrome and FireFox, but can't reproduce the issue." CreationDate="2015-11-23T19:43:59.030" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11813" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Mref only works if there is only one match, and Mrlookup only returns the first three results (like Zentralblatt does for non-registered users). It seems that this is the first publicly available means to access the mathscinet database without these restrictions (for unregistered users)." CreationDate="2015-11-23T19:50:30.530" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="11814" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni MathSciNet is not the only source used." CreationDate="2015-11-23T19:54:53.367" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11815" PostId="2583" Score="1" Text="I just reproduced both bugs on OSX with chrome &amp; safari and on Windows 7 with chrome and firefox. To get both bugs at once type `$\{1,2,3\}$ and weak$^*$ on $Z^*$` and compare the preview on main with &quot;$\{1,2,3\}$ and weak$^*$ on $Z^*$&quot;." CreationDate="2015-11-23T19:57:55.647" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="11816" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="OK - will try most - thanks for letting me know, @FrançoisG.Dorais :)" CreationDate="2015-11-23T20:00:38.460" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11817" PostId="2583" Score="2" Text="OK. Found the issue, fix is en-route. Had to do with how I integrated the scrpit with the editor. //cc @FrançoisG.Dorais" CreationDate="2015-11-23T20:50:29.920" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11837" PostId="2583" Score="1" Text="Moderators, could you &quot;feature&quot; this so it appears on the MO front page?" CreationDate="2015-11-25T12:05:31.643" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="12944" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="Is there a plan, at some point, to also enable this on math.SE?" CreationDate="2016-04-16T17:11:11.530" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12945" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="@Asaf - not as far as I am aware. Would have to be raised on that meta first, I'd argue." CreationDate="2016-04-16T17:25:10.697" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="12946" PostId="2583" Score="1" Text="You mean like [this](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/22008/lets-get-mathoverflows-citation-helper-here-too)?" CreationDate="2016-04-16T18:16:05.300" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12947" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="Something like that, @Asaf, yeah ;)" CreationDate="2016-04-16T18:29:38.067" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="12961" PostId="2583" Score="4" Text="In an effort to help promote this feature, I wrote about the citation helper on my blog, and included a worked example. You can find the post [here](http://blogs.ams.org/beyondreviews/2016/04/17/mathoverflow-and-mathscinet/)." CreationDate="2016-04-21T13:14:50.140" UserId="49409" />
  <row Id="11761" PostId="2584" Score="3" Text="This is something to be fixed on the data source for the citations - the script pretty much picks up that unchanged." CreationDate="2015-11-20T14:21:55.630" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11765" PostId="2585" Score="0" Text="The citation data goes through a few different sources - from what I can tell, the *script* just picks up what it is given, so the issue is either at the citation service or at where it sources the citation data." CreationDate="2015-11-21T09:37:46.473" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11766" PostId="2585" Score="5" Text="@Oded The source data from mathscinet is correct, it just needs to be translated into unicode correctly. As far as I can tell from the source, everything after that is handled by mathoverflow. The problem is already present when looking up something using [this](https://ec2.mathoverflow.org/cite?q=search)." CreationDate="2015-11-21T10:36:48.910" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="11767" PostId="2585" Score="1" Text="Yes, that's the service end point - something on that end. This is outside of the control of Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2015-11-21T11:47:27.500" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="11839" PostId="2585" Score="1" Text="Even though it’s 2015 and Unicode has been here for like quarter of a century, there is a plenty of broken legacy technology out there that treats ISO-8859-1 characters as more equal than others. Seeing the examples of characters that do and don’t work, this might be related to the problem here. (Also, that this might read a bit like a rant is related to the character repertoire in my name.)" CreationDate="2015-11-25T18:56:35.290" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21675" PostId="2585" Score="2" Text="It appears that this problem has been fixed meanwhile." CreationDate="2020-03-11T17:17:50.797" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29497" PostId="2588" Score="0" Text="In context, they write &quot;This shows that our bound in&#xA;Theorem 6 is tight up to lower order terms in the exponent. Rogers’ proof is also reproduced&#xA;in a book by Zong [Zon99, Lemma 7.2]. We have learnt about this from an answer of Joseph&#xA;O’Rourke [O’R11] to a question of Boris Bukh at MathOverflow.&quot;" CreationDate="2024-01-19T02:38:27.707" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="11782" PostId="2589" Score="15" Text="You mean this question?: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1539389/probabilstic-method . I'd say this looks like a mere reproduction of a textbook exercise, which additionally suffers poor grammar and multiple spelling mistakes, including one in the title. I'd say, please don't post such questions on MO. That said, if you have an interesting own question which arises from a textbook exercise, and you put some reasonable efforts into the formulation, then such question is of course welcome." CreationDate="2015-11-22T13:49:40.577" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11775" PostId="2590" Score="1" Text="&quot;Scraper&quot; might be the search term you want." CreationDate="2015-11-22T11:28:57.183" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="11776" PostId="2590" Score="5" Text="The [license](http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/) allows to create and distribute copies of MathOverflow content, but it must be properly [attributed](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/attribution-required/). On the site you refer to, as far as I see, authors of posts are not mentioned." CreationDate="2015-11-22T11:33:41.203" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11777" PostId="2590" Score="1" Text="A related questions [listing some mirror sites](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1418/what-are-mirrors-of-mathoverflow)." CreationDate="2015-11-22T11:34:34.747" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11778" PostId="2590" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson Indeed, it might, but trying it,  nothing much of relevance turns up on meta.MO when searching for this. However on MSE one finds something http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/200177/a-site-or-scraper-is-copying-content-from-stack-exchange-what-do-i-do" CreationDate="2015-11-22T11:37:58.917" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11779" PostId="2590" Score="1" Text="I added the tag copyright, and created the tag mirror-sites." CreationDate="2015-11-22T12:25:29.337" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11780" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Thanks quid for this answer (and for the previous links)" CreationDate="2015-11-22T12:49:34.280" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="11781" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="You are welcome. I think it is good this is documented somewhere, so thanks for the question." CreationDate="2015-11-22T12:54:48.617" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11937" PostId="2595" Score="0" Text="I've had the experience of posting such a question here and having it moved to math.SE because it wasn't research level, with the people there saying essentially &quot;Hey that field sounds interesting, where can I learn about it?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-12-03T02:23:45.100" UserId="14257" />
  <row Id="11784" PostId="2596" Score="2" Text="Same here; also on Firefox on Android." CreationDate="2015-11-22T18:22:47.903" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11786" PostId="2596" Score="0" Text="I never got braces to work. I use \lbrace and \rbrace" CreationDate="2015-11-22T22:19:05.240" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="11792" PostId="2596" Score="0" Text="Same on chrome 46.0x on mac" CreationDate="2015-11-22T23:39:11.613" UserId="3075" />
  <row Id="11807" PostId="2596" Score="1" Text="[Another problem](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2600/formatting-problem) that seems very related (&quot;not enough escaping&quot;). A wild guess where this comes from: [the citation helper](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2583/new-feature-citation-helper) Based on nothing but the problem ought to be recent and this being a recent changed. And the problem being only present on MO, at least not on math.se and matheducators.se,  (neither having the citation helper)." CreationDate="2015-11-23T18:26:18.080" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="23915" PostId="2596" Score="0" Text="I am seeing this behavior again, at least sporadically.  Is anyone else?" CreationDate="2020-08-25T19:01:25.953" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="11790" PostId="2597" Score="10" Text="You already seem to have found what MO is about, and what MSE is about.  Why do you insist that both should be the same?  Does that make any sense to you?" CreationDate="2015-11-22T23:11:58.933" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="11791" PostId="2597" Score="5" Text="@Lucia I didn't realize http://math.stackexchange.com/ existed. Which is exactly what I was looking for, and thought (wrongly) that mathoverflow was the closest thing.  I do suggest not deleting, or putting this question on hold, as it will direct more poorly informed people in my situation to the other site, and thus waste less of your time." CreationDate="2015-11-22T23:34:44.637" UserId="76469" />
  <row Id="11793" PostId="2597" Score="2" Text="This would have helped me: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/519/explicitly-pointing-out-math-stackexchange-when-new-users-ask-a-question" CreationDate="2015-11-22T23:39:42.527" UserId="76469" />
  <row Id="11795" PostId="2597" Score="3" Text="I see.  From your question I didn't realize that you didn't know about MSE.  Glad you found it, and perhaps it'll be of use to you." CreationDate="2015-11-23T00:46:43.990" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="11797" PostId="2597" Score="2" Text="@Lucia Stack *Overflow* is the  Stack *Exchange* site for programming. (Tangentially, MSE is typically used, by most everybody in the network but some math-sites users,  to refer to Meta Stack Exchange and not the Mathematics Stack Exchange.)" CreationDate="2015-11-23T06:08:29.163" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11799" PostId="2597" Score="12" Text="Whoever vote to close this as off-topic could they please explain how this question is not about MathOverflow?" CreationDate="2015-11-23T13:25:39.913" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11915" PostId="2597" Score="6" Text="Why all these downvotes? Calm down, guys. This was a sincere if naive question, asked on meta as it should be." CreationDate="2015-12-01T03:44:04.510" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="15224" PostId="2597" Score="1" Text="@user9072 The official acronym for Meta Stack Exchange is mSE, by the way." CreationDate="2017-11-04T17:58:13.990" UserId="114888" />
  <row Id="16693" PostId="2597" Score="0" Text="@Joël: I’m not sure if it’s still official the case, but at least in the distant past, the convention was that downvotes on Meta are often used to mean just “I disagree with this (implied) proposal”, not to be taken as “I think this is a bad question”." CreationDate="2018-07-13T08:08:55.720" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="11794" PostId="2598" Score="13" Text="If you make the research angle (i.e. what it has to do with your research as a mathematician) manifest in your question, then the question often does get better reception at MO than if you hadn't. It's true that on average the threshold has risen over the years, but it's still largely true that questions that could plausibly be asked by a graduate student past the qualifying exam stage are on-topic, but most especially so if it seems to be coming from a mathematician who although not expert in the area has a genuine need to know." CreationDate="2015-11-22T23:48:51.677" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11798" PostId="2598" Score="2" Text="On your remark what would have helped you. In principle there is  the close reason &quot;MathOverflow is for mathematicians to ask each other questions about their research. See Math.StackExchange to ask general questions in mathematics.&quot;  And often it is pointed out in addition via a comment. Of course, this does not help you if it did not happen in your case, but just to say that it is fairly wide-spread practice." CreationDate="2015-11-23T11:55:33.390" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="14371" PostId="2598" Score="1" Text="Not that it much matters, but I'm going to dissent from the  suggestion that it's okay for MO to be research level **because** MSE exists.  It's always okay to try to keep a discussion on topic, and if you want to have some other discussion, it's nobody else's job to provide that **whether or not** an alternative venue happens to exist." CreationDate="2017-05-11T23:07:32.393" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="14374" PostId="2598" Score="0" Text="Well - I hope I contributed to the successful execution of that job by asking this question :)  The context of my confusion was that there exists a large list of StackExchange sites and its not super clear which question belongs where in general. I had falsely assumed there was a single computer science question site and a single math site. Now of course I am aware there are many for both. https://stackexchange.com/sites" CreationDate="2017-05-12T19:07:14.640" UserId="76469" />
  <row Id="11800" PostId="2599" Score="1" Text="I voted to undelete on the general principle that questions with no downvotes and which were not closed should not be auto-deleted.  If a third person votes to undelete, they should perhaps vote the question up or the same thing will happen again." CreationDate="2015-11-23T15:04:30.303" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="11801" PostId="2600" Score="1" Text="Using `\ast` instead of the symbol `*` should work (I did not try it though, as I was not sure what exactly would need to be changed). [Maybe some braces around the `\ast` are needed, as usual for 'longer' exponents, but I think in fact it should work without.]" CreationDate="2015-11-23T18:02:44.107" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11803" PostId="2600" Score="0" Text="The root-cause might be the same as on this recent report http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2596/braces-dont-render-in-preview That is for some reason the 'escaping' of certain characters on MO, at least for the preview, is broken. Strangely it seems not broken on meta.MO." CreationDate="2015-11-23T18:11:05.640" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11804" PostId="2600" Score="0" Text="François fixed it using what you suggested, quid." CreationDate="2015-11-23T18:22:15.897" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="11805" PostId="2600" Score="0" Text="Thanks for letting me know; I am glad it worked." CreationDate="2015-11-23T18:24:34.790" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11818" PostId="2603" Score="0" Text="Yes, I can confirm it is fixed.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2015-11-23T23:25:53.963" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="29121" PostId="2603" Score="1" Text="I still see this in 2023, both on mathoverflow and on math.stackexchange: `\{` and `\}`are not rendered, and `\|`is rendered as a single `|`, not as two vert's." CreationDate="2023-09-24T16:28:50.647" UserId="151307" />
  <row Id="29408" PostId="2603" Score="0" Text="Same here, 31 Dec 2023." CreationDate="2023-12-31T14:56:15.597" UserId="89313" />
  <row Id="11918" PostId="2604" Score="5" Text="MSE = http://math.stackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2015-12-01T19:55:17.703" UserId="76469" />
  <row Id="13660" PostId="2604" Score="0" Text="Note that one can search and filter questions by tags on Stack Exchange sites. So it is not clear to me why MO could not exist simply as a tag [research-level] on MSE. There are surely a few details to be ironed out, and the interface can be improved, but I believe the general idea is not as crazy as you may think." CreationDate="2016-11-13T13:09:02.013" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="11819" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="Could you please explain more precisely what you mean by: &quot;then imply that the identity must become public.&quot; What exactly do you envision to happen?" CreationDate="2015-11-24T10:38:35.957" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11820" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="I've tried to explain. I believe the only thing that matters here is to know that it is known to moderators who committed this or that bad thing. I believe this will have practically the same effect as if all users would be immediately identifiable with real life persons." CreationDate="2015-11-24T13:11:32.057" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11822" PostId="2605" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the clarification. To be able to do this would need a (quite drastic change) of the the privacy policy of the site. I think basically a user would have to agree in advance that the moderators can make public their private data (or specified parts thereof) for any reason. Of course, this the would have to be agreed to by all existing users, too." CreationDate="2015-11-24T13:27:48.607" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11823" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="@quid Yes. But I believe it is worth doing in the existing circumstances." CreationDate="2015-11-24T13:40:29.347" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11824" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="How would what you propose help to solve problems in &quot;the existing circumstances&quot; (and what are these circumstances)?   In particular, why should somebody &quot;using elaborate false identity schemes to access the site&quot; care about the **false** identity being made public?" CreationDate="2015-11-24T13:48:44.313" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11825" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="@quid By &quot;existing circumstances&quot; I meant only that part which is visible to me: that quite many harmless users seem to care much about retaining right to use pseudonyms or otherwise have their real identity undisclosed to the public." CreationDate="2015-11-24T13:52:26.343" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11826" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="As for your second question - it remains valid wrt any other possible proposed solution I think. If moderators cannot know for sure whether the announced personality is genuine or fake, nobody else can too." CreationDate="2015-11-24T13:54:34.727" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11827" PostId="2605" Score="1" Text="It appears we are talking at cross purposes. On the one hand you say  many harmless users care about retaining their privacy, on the other hand you propose a scheme that means these users must waive all rights to this privacy before being allowed to use this site. I think I have to misunderstand something there. On the &quot;second question.&quot; I do not see how what I proposed is affected by this problem, in a nut-shell it is: an account that behaves reasonable can stay, an account that misbehaves is shown the door." CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:02:05.927" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11828" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="@quid Simply there is big difference between facing immediate public recognition and having to believe in moderators' good will. Concerning your proposal - I believe it will only encourage more and more aggressive repeated attempts." CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:04:44.223" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11829" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="(But I admit it is a counterexample to what I said (that that question of yours applies to any proposed solution))" CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:09:10.603" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11830" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="I do not agree with your penultimate comment. But it might not be feasible to discuss  this here to the extent needed to find some common ground. Perhaps let us agree to disagree on that." CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:13:14.960" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11831" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="Sure thing :D &#xA;&#xA;Actually I am neither competent nor experienced with such matters, so..." CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:17:59.237" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11832" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="@quid Sorry only one more thing - do you disagree with both parts of it?" CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:34:43.630" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11833" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="Mainly I meant the second part. I do not disagree with the first in a literal sense; I do however disagree with what I perceive as the intended implication." CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:46:13.973" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11840" PostId="2605" Score="5" Text="I think the problem with your scheme (giving the moderator team your real identity) is that it means not just trusting the current moderator team at this point in time, but trusting them for an indefinite time, trusting all possible future moderators, and the organisation behind stackexchange and mathoverflow for all time. If I were a pseudonymous user for any of the reasons other people stated in this thread here, I would not agree to this, as there are too many uncertainties." CreationDate="2015-11-26T09:30:51.800" UserId="3897" />
  <row Id="11846" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="@JanJitseVenselaar Well I proposed it as an alternative for those who do not want their real identity to be public to begin with. And I believe this problem only concerns those people. Why do you think my version will be as unacceptable for them? A priori it is way towards their wishes." CreationDate="2015-11-26T11:11:36.433" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11847" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="...and let me add that for me personally what is really not acceptable is to participate in a forum whose moderation team cannot be trusted, regardless of their policies." CreationDate="2015-11-26T12:20:51.403" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11848" PostId="2605" Score="6" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე What I was trying to say is: you're not only trusting the current moderator team, but all possible future moderator teams as well. Communities change, and so will the moderator team. I don't think it is fair to promise people that their names will be kept private, when in fact it is impossible to guarantee so (even leaving aside the issue of hacks). I think the issue of trust will also vary from person to person. I trust the moderators (in fact, the internet) with my name, but other people might have had worse experiences, and will want to keep it from people they don't know." CreationDate="2015-11-26T16:26:43.667" UserId="3897" />
  <row Id="11835" PostId="2606" Score="2" Text="There is a meta post form only a couple of days ago announcing it: [New feature - citation helper](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2583/new-feature-citation-helper) I vote to close this as duplicate. (One might consider &quot;featuring&quot; the other post though. Or, one might  consider the current phase as &quot;beta&quot; and make an extra post a bit later.) Maybe let me add that the button only is there since days. Earlier one needed to install a script and this was not an official feature." CreationDate="2015-11-25T10:09:33.827" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11836" PostId="2606" Score="0" Text="@quid, thank you. I did search META before posting the question, but I missed the post you mention. Thanks for this -- closing is clearly the best thing to do." CreationDate="2015-11-25T12:03:05.763" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="11838" PostId="2606" Score="0" Text="No problem. Given the intent to publicize, some redundancy even seems desirable." CreationDate="2015-11-25T14:46:52.140" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11849" PostId="2610" Score="2" Text="It is a bit hard to keep all these special search keywords in mind. Is any list of them available somewhere around?" CreationDate="2015-11-27T04:19:48.833" UserDisplayName="user82843" />
  <row Id="11850" PostId="2610" Score="8" Text="@Morteza, http://mathoverflow.net/help/searching" CreationDate="2015-11-27T04:31:31.157" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="11851" PostId="2610" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh (+1) Thank you for introducing the useful page." CreationDate="2015-11-27T05:14:46.190" UserDisplayName="user82843" />
  <row Id="11870" PostId="2610" Score="0" Text="And note that you can exclude wiki questions from that by adding  `wiki:no`." CreationDate="2015-11-28T16:54:55.673" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="11863" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="Or just `$\style{font-family:&quot;sans-serif&quot;;}{\text{Hello!}}$` to ensure sans serif regardless of the inherited font family." CreationDate="2015-11-27T22:23:57.770" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11864" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="Strangely it seems not to work $\style{font-family:&quot;sans-serif&quot;;}{\text{Hello!}}$ maybe like so  $\style{font-family:sans-serif;}{\text{Hello!}}$. // The quotation marks need to go. But thanks regardless." CreationDate="2015-11-27T22:50:45.550" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11865" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="Well, it's not the same sans serif font as used on MO, but it is sans serif. (Both work for me, with the same output.)" CreationDate="2015-11-27T22:52:16.757" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11866" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="No, for me it is a serif-font. I am not sure you saw the updated comment. I think there should be no quotes." CreationDate="2015-11-27T22:54:40.690" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11867" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="On another device it is sans-serif for me too. One more test $\text{Test}$ $\style{font-family:&quot;serif&quot;;}{\text{serifquote}}$ $\style{font-family:serif;}{\text{serifnoquote}}$ $\style{font-family:&quot;sans-serif&quot;;}{\text{sanserifquote}}$ $\style{font-family:sans-serif;} {\text{sanserifnoquote}}$ Very weird." CreationDate="2015-11-27T23:20:23.560" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11868" PostId="2614" Score="4" Text="The standard says (http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html, 15.3) that &quot;generic font family names are keywords and must NOT be quoted&quot;, so quid is right. If you put &quot;sans-serif&quot; in quotes, it selects an actual font with this exact name rather than the generic sans-serif font. This happens to work in SOME system configuration (e.g., based on fontconfig) because of the way they implement generic families (namely, by providing a font name alias), but this is unreliable and fails on other systems." CreationDate="2015-11-28T09:23:24.893" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="11869" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek This explains it nicely. I update the answer a bit. Thanks to both of you for the additional information." CreationDate="2015-11-28T12:35:39.000" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11902" PostId="2615" Score="5" Text="Noted and appreciated the &quot;half-question mark&quot; in your title. :)" CreationDate="2015-11-29T18:16:16.970" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="11872" PostId="2617" Score="0" Text="Your first sentence made me smile, as I believe OP did capitalize and appears to be German (at least this what is given as location), presumably as they were once taught this is what is done in English (at least that is what I was once taught)." CreationDate="2015-11-28T21:58:11.493" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11873" PostId="2617" Score="3" Text="yes, I'm German but I am trying to improve my English and personally do not follow the &quot;who cares&quot; attitude of many people because I think that doing things right is the right thing. @quid thank you for the compliment of speculating about my nationality ;-)" CreationDate="2015-11-28T22:17:08.270" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="11874" PostId="2617" Score="5" Text="As a non-German non-native speaker, I find capitalized titles to be a bit funny, unusual and somehow intimidating. In my language capitalizing nouns is considered a mistake, so my opinion could be biased. I would like some insight from native speakers (possibly some grammar nazi)." CreationDate="2015-11-29T05:43:18.760" UserId="76600" />
  <row Id="11875" PostId="2617" Score="3" Text="@Silvia: You mean Grammar Nazi, right? :-)" CreationDate="2015-11-29T07:37:58.457" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11880" PostId="2617" Score="4" Text="@Silvia I'm a native speaker. I generally don't capitalize the way I was taught to put capitals in book titles (like *The Old Man and the Sea*), but I generally do capitalize the first word and proper nouns, just as I do when writing English sentences. Most but not all my questions are in the form of a question. As an aside: for some reason I also find written German with all those capitalized nouns a little imposing, sort of the way I felt as a child trying to follow the serious conversations of grown-ups. Almost like being in a room full of Henry Kissingers discussing *Realpolitik*. :-)" CreationDate="2015-11-29T12:37:30.847" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11890" PostId="2617" Score="2" Text="@Todd If you look, most of my edits include capitalizing the first letter if the title. Sadly, I haven't asked anything (yet!). For me it has been already hard to write Riemann and **R**iemannian, as we don't capitalize adjectives coming from proper nouns (fun fact, nothing more). Thanks for your insight." CreationDate="2015-11-29T15:12:41.437" UserId="76600" />
  <row Id="11912" PostId="2617" Score="1" Text="@SilviaGhinassi I have no problem with you throwing in the &quot;Nazi&quot; to express your opinion about some from Germany who asks for advice for proper use of English grammar." CreationDate="2015-11-30T16:35:58.953" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="11913" PostId="2617" Score="1" Text="@ManfredWeis whoops, I didn't think of that. You can call me a grammar fascist, if you'd like..." CreationDate="2015-11-30T17:07:53.677" UserId="76600" />
  <row Id="11916" PostId="2617" Score="1" Text="@SilviaGhinassi I wouldn't call you that; grammar enthusiast would suffice ;-)" CreationDate="2015-12-01T06:01:52.950" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="11885" PostId="2618" Score="0" Text="I'll be thankful if the down-voter gives me some advice for improving the quality of my answer. Thanks." CreationDate="2015-11-29T14:00:25.703" UserDisplayName="user82843" />
  <row Id="11898" PostId="2618" Score="0" Text="Whether or not the sentence (or fragment of a sentence) that forms the title happens to be a question or not in my mind has no real relevance on the question of capitalizing. For example, the New York Times uses capitalization for its article-titles and some of those happen to be questions." CreationDate="2015-11-29T17:05:16.637" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11899" PostId="2618" Score="1" Text="@quid All these arguments about pedantic rules in English language reminds me George Bernard Shaw's masterwork play, [**Pygmalion**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_(play)). (What a perfectly chosen name for such a story!). As I mentioned in my answer I think focusing on such discussions seems not that essential for this community with completely different priorities." CreationDate="2015-11-29T17:53:07.013" UserDisplayName="user82843" />
  <row Id="11900" PostId="2618" Score="0" Text="Your addition seems unrelated to my comment, the point of which was that &quot;question&quot; and &quot;article title&quot; is no dichotomy. // On your comment: yes, this is why I said doing it either way is fine." CreationDate="2015-11-29T18:00:56.657" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11901" PostId="2618" Score="0" Text="@quid Sure! Thanks for reminding! Give me a second for fixing the issue!" CreationDate="2015-11-29T18:03:43.037" UserDisplayName="user82843" />
  <row Id="11903" PostId="2618" Score="0" Text="@quid The only word that I found to be immune to your subtle critic point, is &quot;non-question&quot;. So I replaced the &quot;article title&quot; with &quot;non-question&quot; in the text. Again thanks for reminding this point." CreationDate="2015-11-29T18:17:06.760" UserDisplayName="user82843" />
  <row Id="11917" PostId="2624" Score="0" Text="your answer brings it to the point and I fully agree to your point of view." CreationDate="2015-12-01T06:04:27.803" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="11921" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="Can you give an example of some post which is like that?" CreationDate="2015-12-02T06:53:34.077" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="11922" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Added a snapshot" CreationDate="2015-12-02T06:57:01.927" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11924" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="I see, thanks! If there is no duplicate, could you please make this an answer? I would never suspect anything like this!" CreationDate="2015-12-02T07:16:21.500" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11925" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="No it is still very strange - right now it again shows new activity at the same favorite as before, although nothing has changed there" CreationDate="2015-12-02T10:25:21.083" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11928" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="I am not clear what the concern is. It seems there is a new comment from about 7 hours ago on the first question, which *should* reactivate it in your favorites. I agree though that this is not a dupe of the current target. Is it possible you were not aware that comments on the question count?" CreationDate="2015-12-02T14:40:40.357" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11929" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="While I am not sure when the activity link is clickable (I will try to find out) I do not think that &quot;And I cannot click on grey activity link, which also confirms that I saw these already.&quot; is accurate. To see this check some others and you should be able to click it on some long inactive ones, somewhat implying that there is not direct connection there. Moreover what do you mean by &quot;looked into them&quot;? In any case whether or not you visited the page in some other way does not matter, if you did not check from or on the favorites tab." CreationDate="2015-12-02T14:51:13.470" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11932" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="@quid Thanks for pointing this out. Indeed it is only my interpretation that if that gray link is not clickable it means I've already checked this particular change. As by &quot;looked into them&quot; I mean that I went there through the link in my favorites list." CreationDate="2015-12-02T18:37:05.907" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11933" PostId="2626" Score="1" Text="I have no definite information, but I tested the &quot;link&quot; issue a bit. It is my impression that the  activity-link is not working when it is  redundant with the link given by the title, that is in particular if there is no answer. I am not certain about the exact criteria. But it is decidedly not that one used it already that makes it go away. Thanks for the clarification with the &quot;looked at.&quot; Back to the original problem, I continue to suspect that the activity indicated came from comments on the question." CreationDate="2015-12-02T18:52:58.313" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11934" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="Um yes I did not notice - the last comment there is 12 hours ago, maybe the system reacted to that. I somehow presumed that the link with the time and username indicate the modification that activated the favorite entry." CreationDate="2015-12-02T19:34:43.780" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11935" PostId="2626" Score="1" Text="I can see that this is a natural interpretation, but it just seems not to be the case. The &quot;activity&quot; corresponds to the usual events that change activity for a question-thread, that is asked, answered, post edited, while favorites are activated by those events *and* comments on the question-post." CreationDate="2015-12-02T19:59:38.713" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11936" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="I believe it would be useful to have this information as an answer, could you please provide it?" CreationDate="2015-12-02T20:19:27.030" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="11927" PostId="2628" Score="0" Text="Thank you, good advice!" CreationDate="2015-12-02T13:36:07.373" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="11930" PostId="2629" Score="1" Text="I think you're right, Gil, but I'll wait for another vote to reopen before applying moderator power." CreationDate="2015-12-02T18:05:21.403" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11931" PostId="2629" Score="1" Text="I cast a vote to reopen mainly as I do not see the point of such &quot;after the fact closure.&quot; We are not going to delete the post, are we? // @ToddTrimble there is only one vote missing now." CreationDate="2015-12-02T18:16:49.217" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11940" PostId="2630" Score="2" Text="I asked on [math.se] that you try to avoid things like &quot;w/&quot; in posts. That this is desirable applies even more strongly on this site. Needless to say, you do as you like. But I assure you the general tolerance on this site towards things like this is quite limited." CreationDate="2015-12-04T09:56:25.237" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11941" PostId="2630" Score="0" Text="Oh okay thanks @quid ^-^" CreationDate="2015-12-04T09:59:51.250" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="11942" PostId="2630" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure what the standards are on Math.SE, but I'd guess you need to improve the exposition of your question to make people seriously look at it." CreationDate="2015-12-04T10:48:20.653" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11943" PostId="2630" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl What do you mean?" CreationDate="2015-12-04T10:53:12.217" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="11944" PostId="2630" Score="2" Text="@BCLC: For example, avoid abbreviations (pls, /w, , myb etc.), text posted as picture, excessively long formulas / chains of (in)equalities and bad line breaks and -indentations." CreationDate="2015-12-04T11:17:12.440" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11945" PostId="2630" Score="0" Text="Oooohhh okay thanks @StefanKohl ^-^ About the last 3, what do you mean exactly? W/c i mean which parts?" CreationDate="2015-12-04T11:18:51.410" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="11946" PostId="2630" Score="1" Text="@BCLC: I can't teach you mathematical writing in a few comments here, but it will certainly help you firstly to look how well-received questions are written, and secondly, to ask yourself how a question of somebody else needs to be written such that you would enjoy reading it and be motivated to answer." CreationDate="2015-12-04T11:26:09.040" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11947" PostId="2630" Score="6" Text="@StefanKohl: the poster should (in theory) be well aware about the standards on [math.se], having been informed about them at considerable length there. The receptiveness of them to such can be inferred by extrapolating the fact that they used &quot;W/c&quot; in reply to a comment telling them not to use such abbreviations." CreationDate="2015-12-04T12:23:12.720" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11948" PostId="2630" Score="0" Text="@quid I was just kidding. :|" CreationDate="2015-12-04T12:30:28.883" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="11939" PostId="2631" Score="1" Text="@BCLC, you are welcome! If you want to read more about closing and migrating here, this meta discussion might be a good place to start: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2319/55893" CreationDate="2015-12-04T06:59:43.313" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="11952" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="Your question has presently 4 pending votes to reopen." CreationDate="2015-12-04T21:22:40.763" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11953" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Ah. Can i see close/open votes on my own question?" CreationDate="2015-12-04T21:24:10.530" UserId="66774" />
  <row Id="11954" PostId="2633" Score="1" Text="You can see them once you have at least 250 points. (For other people's questions, the threshold is 3000 points)." CreationDate="2015-12-04T21:25:40.447" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11955" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl So, short of asking on meta like I've done here, is there any way I can be aware of the moderation status of my questions?" CreationDate="2015-12-04T21:27:16.907" UserId="66774" />
  <row Id="11956" PostId="2633" Score="1" Text="No, as long as you have less than 250 points, only other people can tell you. Also, if you would have 250 points, you could vote to reopen your own questions -- hence just cast the 5th vote now." CreationDate="2015-12-04T21:28:50.320" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11957" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl So considering there are 4 pending votes to reopen, what remains to restore my question to open status?" CreationDate="2015-12-04T21:32:07.233" UserId="66774" />
  <row Id="11958" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="I'm not familiar with these moderation issues." CreationDate="2015-12-04T21:32:32.743" UserId="66774" />
  <row Id="11959" PostId="2633" Score="1" Text="Just a 5th vote (I have already voted, so can't cast another vote)." CreationDate="2015-12-04T21:32:56.250" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11960" PostId="2633" Score="1" Text="The question is open, now." CreationDate="2015-12-04T22:06:01.250" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="11961" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Thanks. Should I delete this question on meta, since the issue has been resolved?" CreationDate="2015-12-04T22:10:37.300" UserId="66774" />
  <row Id="11962" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="I don't know. ${}$" CreationDate="2015-12-04T22:21:19.663" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="11963" PostId="2633" Score="1" Text="Or, for example, should I simply fix the title to say &quot;... [resolved]&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-12-04T22:21:51.223" UserId="66774" />
  <row Id="11969" PostId="2638" Score="0" Text="As I understand, the OP asked about cross-posts the other way round -- namely, whether cross-posting an MO question on Math.SE is allowed. Anyway, it seems your answer answered the question satisfactorily." CreationDate="2015-12-05T20:50:07.787" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="11970" PostId="2638" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl, you are right. I think the same ideas work both ways, so I tried to edit my answer accordingly. (Can I get away with understanding a question the opposite way because I work with inverse problems?)" CreationDate="2015-12-05T21:10:04.800" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="11971" PostId="2638" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: This has absolutely nothing to do with the &quot;direction&quot; of the cross-posting. This has to do with the fact that cross posting is bad. [See my falafel analogy](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/16290/622)." CreationDate="2015-12-05T21:15:10.123" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12758" PostId="2638" Score="3" Text="Is it possible to make that when somebody wants to cross post something, the program remids him these rules?" CreationDate="2016-03-28T14:57:38.960" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="12767" PostId="2638" Score="0" Text="@SergeiAkbarov, I don't think that's currently possible. If you would like to see such a feature, you can post a separate feature request (question using that tag) at meta. I would like to see something like that in action, but it might be hard to implement." CreationDate="2016-03-28T17:08:10.700" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="12769" PostId="2638" Score="0" Text="Yes, I understand... OK, thank you." CreationDate="2016-03-28T18:04:19.533" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="12770" PostId="2638" Score="1" Text="Joonas, I asked this in Meta: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2814/button-for-cross-posts-to-from-math-se" CreationDate="2016-03-29T06:11:08.957" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="25654" PostId="2638" Score="2" Text="I have incorporated much of Joonas' excellent answer into [this answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5013/2362) discussing cross-posting to other sites more generally (not necessarily just to Math.SE)." CreationDate="2021-04-23T23:37:29.700" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="11978" PostId="2641" Score="2" Text="There is no way to log out. This site is the $\aleph_0$-th circle of Dante's inferno." CreationDate="2015-12-08T11:57:03.440" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18032" PostId="2641" Score="0" Text="You can look here to see how to logout in the current user interface: [How to log out of a Stack Exchange site?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/222556)" CreationDate="2018-12-25T06:43:39.233" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18041" PostId="2641" Score="1" Text="As a long-time user who now visits only occasionally, I want to echo the criticism implicit in the question. Logging out shouldn't be hard! I spent ages trying to do it the other day, with growing frustration. Why on earth is the log-out link hidden under the stripey-speech-bubble icon that gives you a list of Stackexchange sites? Why not have an actual &quot;log out&quot; button visible at all times- say in the left-hand margin, where (for me at least) there's loads of blank space? It reminds me of those jokes about the legendary difficulty of [exiting vim](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11828270)" CreationDate="2018-12-25T17:30:40.897" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="18033" PostId="2642" Score="0" Text="I wonder whether in the light of the recent (comment posted as an) answer it might be useful to add here a screenshot to the new user interface or at least mention that now users should search on the right - perhaps with adding a link to the relevant post on Meta Stack Exchange: [How to log out of a Stack Exchange site?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/222556)" CreationDate="2018-12-25T07:03:28.543" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="11985" PostId="2645" Score="2" Text="Your question is only about feasibility, but we should not overlook discussing need. How would such a service benefit mathematicians and those who hire them? There are existing services (like [MathJobs](https://www.mathjobs.org/)), but there may well be room for more." CreationDate="2015-12-12T23:30:11.147" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="11986" PostId="2645" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure what's meant by &quot;a site on MO&quot;. MO is a site. It doesn't have other sites on it. Maybe you're asking whether a mathcareers site would be feasible within the stackexchange system?" CreationDate="2015-12-13T03:36:30.123" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="11987" PostId="2645" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson I think somebody might reasonably say there is a meta-site on MO, while  early on there was no meta-site on MO. In this vein there is a careers site on SO while there is none on MO." CreationDate="2015-12-13T12:16:48.037" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11988" PostId="2646" Score="3" Text="I basically agree, but I think you should state that the details you give are for  the US market. (At least I assume this is then intent.)" CreationDate="2015-12-13T19:31:19.773" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11992" PostId="2646" Score="0" Text="Added picture showing mathjobs.org is not US only..." CreationDate="2015-12-14T13:40:17.337" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="11993" PostId="2646" Score="8" Text="@GeraldEdgar certainly it is not US only. But I feel that image could be pretty misleading. It seems as if Europe is full of usage. Yet zooming in one sees it is hardly used in continental Europe: five in France (four of which in Paris), six in Germany, none in Italy, none in Poland and a unique use in Spain. Except for Denmark, no other country has more than two usages and plenty have none at all.  What's more I suspect that even for those that use it, mainly the use of mathjobs is tangential and intended to inform US or more generally international candidates." CreationDate="2015-12-14T14:01:33.607" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12029" PostId="2646" Score="0" Text="And only five in all of Australia! Jobs in Australia advertised on MathJobs generally say: &quot;you must apply through the university website, and cannot do so through MathJobs&quot;. My experience with UK jobs is similar." CreationDate="2015-12-18T20:35:36.217" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="11989" PostId="2647" Score="0" Text="Did you try to get more exposure by placing a bounty?" CreationDate="2015-12-14T10:20:49.297" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="11990" PostId="2647" Score="0" Text="@ThomasRot : There are currently 61 featured question on MSE, and me putting a bounty may not be of much help as there isn't even a cursory acknowledgment of the question there. I am already a low Rep user!" CreationDate="2015-12-14T10:26:31.873" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="11991" PostId="2647" Score="0" Text="@ThomasRot : Anyway I have started the bounty. Thanks for the suggestion." CreationDate="2015-12-14T11:27:57.113" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="11994" PostId="2647" Score="3" Text="My instinctual feeling is that it would not survive trial by MO if it were migrated. But maybe someone reading the meta post here will go to MSE to help out." CreationDate="2015-12-14T14:31:47.883" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="11996" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="I retagged this as support as you do not request any feature." CreationDate="2015-12-15T15:04:49.293" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11997" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="@quid Thank you. So I understand that 'feature' is always linked to the software?" CreationDate="2015-12-15T15:23:57.227" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="11998" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="Yes, a question tagged &quot;feature-request&quot; should request a *specific* change to the site itself. It should be something that could be reasonably tagged &quot;status-completed&quot; or &quot;status-declined&quot; or &quot;status-deferred&quot; etc. For example: &quot;Create a list of pending spam-flags accessible  to all 3k+ users&quot; would be a feature-request. Or &quot;Do not put question with a spam-flag in the close-queue.&quot; would be another." CreationDate="2015-12-15T15:33:26.133" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="11995" PostId="2650" Score="10" Text="I routinely destroy spam accounts as soon as they are brought to my attention." CreationDate="2015-12-15T12:32:14.270" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12008" PostId="2650" Score="2" Text="If there is something that is for some reason _urgent_, you can also email the moderators to prompt faster action." CreationDate="2015-12-17T03:03:48.853" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="11999" PostId="2651" Score="0" Text="You must mean here: http://mathoverflow.net/a/92434/2926 I fixed it for you, but please check. (BlackAdder evidently meant to be helpful and also asked in the edit summary to check that no errors were introduced in his/her edit.)" CreationDate="2015-12-15T17:16:55.213" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12001" PostId="2651" Score="0" Text="I see now however someone has also edited the original question until it is nonsense when combined with my answer!  I.e. Miles Reid wrote two books, one with a difficult proof of NN, his commutative algebra book, and another one with an easier proof, his UAG book. The original question complained about the one in the algebra book.  The answer I gave is the easier proof in the geometry book.  So now the question and answer are rather puzzling!  I.e. I now seem to be providing the same argument that was objected to!  subsequent editing poses an interesting challenge to historical accuracy." CreationDate="2015-12-15T17:34:03.797" UserId="9449" />
  <row Id="12002" PostId="2651" Score="3" Text="There was no recent edit, and all edits after the original were minor typo corrections. Evidently your answer was helpful anyway even if you think you merely reproduced Reid's UAG proof, so maybe different words were all it took. The OP by the way seems to have a deleted account and I don't think will be returning, so all puzzlement aside, let's let the answer stand. Your efforts were and are appreciated. :-)" CreationDate="2015-12-15T17:43:12.927" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12003" PostId="2651" Score="0" Text="I am not sure what you refer to. The question was not edited at all after you gave the answer. All edits happened before and in any case they seem minimal. All version of every post are available in the revision history I mentioned [except in very very rare cases, or when only present for less than five minutes]. For the specific case see: http://mathoverflow.net/posts/92354/revisions" CreationDate="2015-12-15T17:43:28.073" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12004" PostId="2651" Score="0" Text="you are right.  i misread the date of the last edit of the question.  now i am puzzled as to how my answer helped.  perhaps as you say, just the fact my notes were written to be especially clear to my class helped." CreationDate="2015-12-15T17:57:30.523" UserId="9449" />
  <row Id="12005" PostId="2652" Score="0" Text="I thought there was a lower bound on the amount of changes the system accepts as an edit. If so, just fixing $&lt;$ to $\le$ may well be impossible." CreationDate="2015-12-16T09:36:16.723" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12006" PostId="2652" Score="2" Text="There is only a lower bound for *suggested* edits, not for edits. Thus, a user wishing to correct an edit to their post will never face any restriction of this form. (A third user without the edit-privilege indeed might face this problem, but there is no difference between fixing an edit and any other minor edit, which was the information I meant to convey.)" CreationDate="2015-12-16T10:21:31.360" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12007" PostId="2652" Score="0" Text="All right, I stand corrected." CreationDate="2015-12-16T10:56:12.853" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12009" PostId="2653" Score="1" Text="I think at least the two &quot;surreal&quot; ones should likely become one. For the rest, I am generally in favor of having larger tags, but feel not well-placed to comment in detail on this particular case." CreationDate="2015-12-17T10:03:11.997" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12010" PostId="2653" Score="1" Text="Let me remind that there is a central page devoted to such matters: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/862/help-cleanup-tags" CreationDate="2015-12-17T12:51:02.103" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12011" PostId="2653" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, thanks, I didn't know.  Should I copy my question there?" CreationDate="2015-12-17T12:58:37.503" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="12013" PostId="2653" Score="2" Text="I oppose combining [tag:nonstandard-analysis], [tag:surreal-numbers]." CreationDate="2015-12-17T14:00:07.197" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="12014" PostId="2653" Score="3" Text="I agree with the merge of the surreal ones. I do not favor merging any others listed. Bear in mind that infinitesimals cover a very wide range which overlaps among other things NSA, synthetic differential geometry, and valuation rings. But it would be wrong I think to merge any of these into 'infinitesimals', and of course wrong to merge infinitesimals into any of these three." CreationDate="2015-12-17T14:56:58.060" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12015" PostId="2653" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar why?" CreationDate="2015-12-17T15:56:37.610" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12016" PostId="2653" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble perhaps the tag &quot;infinitesimals&quot; is too unspecific then (and maybe should be dismantled)? This might explain why it is hardly used (seven questions over close to three years)." CreationDate="2015-12-17T15:58:10.967" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12017" PostId="2653" Score="1" Text="@quid Yes, I was beginning to think that as well." CreationDate="2015-12-17T16:04:34.803" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12018" PostId="2653" Score="1" Text="@quid ... [tag:nonstandard-analysis], [tag:surreal-numbers] are different topics.  Another relative is [tag:non-archimedean-fields], which perhaps includes both of those.  But I do not favor merging it either." CreationDate="2015-12-17T16:12:53.120" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="12019" PostId="2653" Score="0" Text="Is there a possibility of making &quot;infinitesimal&quot; an umbrella tag for these others instead of merging?" CreationDate="2015-12-17T18:35:02.207" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="12020" PostId="2653" Score="0" Text="There is no technical notion of an umbrella tag. The closest one could achieve on a technical/automatic level is to make it the master tag in tag synonym pairs without merging. Then all current tagging would stay as is, and only all future instances of the minor tag would be auto-re-tagged to the master. On a non-technical level one can of course add the tag manually in addition and can write in the respective tag-wikis that this should be done." CreationDate="2015-12-17T18:44:33.527" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12021" PostId="2653" Score="1" Text="@GeraldEdgar well, non-commutative rings and lattice theory are also different topics, still they fall both under [tag:ra.rings-and-algebras]. Now they also have separate tags, but just to highlight that being &quot;different topics&quot; is not a reason for there not being a common tag. There is an abundance of tags that group together &quot;different topics&quot; that may or may not have individual tags too. But, I understand it is sometimes difficult to pin down why one holds one or another opinion on such matters. So, thanks for the attempt at an explication." CreationDate="2015-12-17T18:50:36.703" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12022" PostId="2654" Score="2" Text="I actually don't think of infinitesimals as an &quot;area&quot; at all, but rather a catch-all idea with variegated precisifications. (It often has something to do with ordered algebraic structures, but I think order might be optional, e.g., in algebraic geometry one often thinks of nilpotent elements as being infinitesimal.) Not being a precise term, I'm coming to think its use as a tag should be deprecated." CreationDate="2015-12-18T02:48:24.033" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12023" PostId="2654" Score="2" Text="Yes, I'm inclined to agree with you. My main point is that that tag should not be merged or absorbed by any of the others. I don't see it as harmful to keep it, even though I don't think it is a very useful tag.  My broader opinion is that extremely specific tags are not actually useful." CreationDate="2015-12-18T02:53:27.540" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="12027" PostId="2656" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure I understand the downvotes either." CreationDate="2015-12-18T20:09:03.460" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12028" PostId="2656" Score="2" Text="The question seems reasonable to me and I gave an upvote. Can those who think it's not good tell what's wrong?" CreationDate="2015-12-18T20:13:16.867" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="12035" PostId="2656" Score="5" Text="I did not downvote and hadn't even seen the question and would have ignored it if I did. But my guess is that the tags are wrong (commutative algebra??) and it's not clear (to me at least) that this is even math. Looks like physics to me. Shouldn't it be in physics.stackexchange.com?" CreationDate="2015-12-18T23:54:14.210" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="12037" PostId="2656" Score="6" Text="@FelipeVoloch I edited the tags. Despite the presentation which has a &quot;physicist's accent&quot;, I think this is comfortably within the ambit of pure mathematics, and certainly there are MO users who could answer (e.g., it's likely Sebastian Goette could)." CreationDate="2015-12-19T13:51:52.517" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12038" PostId="2656" Score="9" Text="Don't worry about a few downvotes.  Maybe somebody just hates Linux...  If every downvote triggered a Meta question, we would be overwhelmed here." CreationDate="2015-12-19T14:38:12.230" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="12039" PostId="2656" Score="2" Text="@GeraldEdgar Or they hate Lynyrd Skynyrd :)" CreationDate="2015-12-19T17:03:23.403" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="12046" PostId="2656" Score="4" Text="I did not downvote either. I see two possible reasons: 1. the notation looks more like physics than maths (see @FelipeVoloch's comment). 2. for someone working with spinors, the question may look a little too elementary. Although I am rather new here, I've seen two different attitudes: one, where all elementary questions are redirected to math.stackexchange, if possible. And another one, where elementary questions whose solutions are not common knowledge are welcome. And I think that your question falls in that category (elementary, but the answer is more or less hidden in the literature)." CreationDate="2015-12-21T07:15:02.120" UserId="70808" />
  <row Id="12041" PostId="2657" Score="2" Text="What did not work about http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/2581/  for you? That is what additional information would you want to have presented?" CreationDate="2015-12-20T17:25:17.117" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12042" PostId="2657" Score="0" Text="I just tried it; it works well for me. Would you find some explication on Bookmarklets in general helpful?" CreationDate="2015-12-20T17:34:23.703" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12043" PostId="2657" Score="0" Text="I now managed to do it myself. Apparently, I have to bookmark some dummy page, then edit bookmark title and address. I admit that I have never seen that trick before. My suggestion would be to place (a link to) this hint somewhere more visible. An extra entry somewhere in the help menu would have saved me one or two hours (plus the time I spent waiting for mathjax renderings)." CreationDate="2015-12-20T19:52:25.457" UserId="70808" />
  <row Id="12044" PostId="2657" Score="1" Text="Usually one can also manually add new bookmarks. For me it is in the menu I get when I right-click in the bookmark zone (but this is likely  tangential). For the documentation, I agree it could be documented better.  But perhaps rather on the meta site. The help-menu contains not much info about MathJax, as this is not present on all sites, and is mostly not easily editable. I might write it soon." CreationDate="2015-12-21T00:26:19.007" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12052" PostId="2657" Score="4" Text="I wrote it up here http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2660/how-to-turn-off-the-mathjax-preview" CreationDate="2015-12-22T23:37:12.817" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="21584" PostId="2657" Score="5" Text="Does this answer your question? [How to turn off the MathJax preview?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2660/how-to-turn-off-the-mathjax-preview)" CreationDate="2020-02-19T01:13:59.773" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12047" PostId="2658" Score="5" Text="Were you not satisfied with the answer YCor gave in a comment? If what YCor wrote is correct, then it would seem that the question did not rise to research-level." CreationDate="2015-12-22T15:01:40.910" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12048" PostId="2658" Score="0" Text="I'm happy with the answer YCor gave.  I just wanted to know for future questions why this one was not on topic." CreationDate="2015-12-22T15:30:58.363" UserId="56503" />
  <row Id="12068" PostId="2658" Score="2" Text="Concerning the specific questions you asked, sets are easy to tackle because the only invariant of sets is cardinal. So one only has to consider the possible cardinals of the two quotients of the group acting. I guess that question was closed because it was expected that this principle belongs to the common core shared by mathematicians; it may not be the case, but could be somewhat expected. On the other hand, the question about continuous action on manifold is much more subtle, since the object involved have more structure (and thus less isomorphisms, and thus more diversity)." CreationDate="2015-12-28T13:06:24.160" UserId="4961" />
  <row Id="12049" PostId="2659" Score="7" Text="Here is my anecdote: I once posted a question and received two down votes within the first hour as being &quot; not research level&quot; .so decided to delete it. But after a few hours changed my mind and asked the very same question, worded slightly different. I received 4 up votes and sure enough people thought the question on was worthy ,whatever that it means..." CreationDate="2015-12-22T17:25:10.833" UserId="48438" />
  <row Id="12050" PostId="2659" Score="19" Text="@S.Zoalroshd: The wording can certainly make a difference. -- If a question is written down in a sloppy way, it may be downvoted and closed, while if the same question is formulated well, the community may welcome it. -- I'd say this is in no way a problem, but rather a *&quot;feature&quot;* of this site." CreationDate="2015-12-22T17:47:22.990" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12054" PostId="2659" Score="2" Text="It is of course exactly the opposite. In most cases, people who don't understand a question really don't understand the question, period, and obviously it is not for them. I have observed that (perhaps non) mathematicians in MO tend to think that they can comment on everything (they can, but they *obviously* should not)." CreationDate="2015-12-23T01:16:31.367" UserId="74138" />
  <row Id="12055" PostId="2659" Score="11" Text="@JohnB a question on this site is ideally written in such a way that it is accessible to a trained mathematician irrespective of specialization. In particular, it will give enough context so that one can easily look up missing definitions, terminology etc. This is perhaps not always possible, but most of the time it is possible. Somewhere you said recently: &quot;As always, questions are formulated for the expert.&quot; This is just not what is to be done on this site. Of course, formulating for the expert may be easier but one is expected to do the extra work of formulating in an accessible way here." CreationDate="2015-12-23T09:59:22.503" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12056" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="@quid, It is of course all the opposite of what you say, but it is already detailed above why." CreationDate="2015-12-23T10:23:37.713" UserId="74138" />
  <row Id="12058" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="There are various benefits to making posts more accessible.  For example, I saw an abstract recently that mentioned new results obtained using discrete admissibility in analyzing certain dynamical systems, and was thinking of posting something to your question on the matter, so that you could contact the experts directly about it.  However the question is gone, so I guess you are no longer interested.  If the question had been made more accessible, you and others might have gotten some use out of it.  Gerhard &quot;Off To Help Someone Else&quot; Paseman, 2015.12.23" CreationDate="2015-12-24T07:44:36.103" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12059" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="I see now it has moved off of some of the listings, but is not gone.  I will see about posting the abstract for you.  Gerhard &quot;Not Yet Gone Or Forgotten&quot; Paseman, 2015.12.23" CreationDate="2015-12-24T07:56:09.983" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12062" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="One thing that can often help with borderline cases: ask first on math.stackexchange, and if you don’t get an answer there that meets your needs, re-ask here and say so (with a link to the math.se question).  I for one find a lack of answers on math.se a fairly convincing argument that a question is high-enough level to justify being on MathOverflow (providing the question is well-written and so on, of course)." CreationDate="2015-12-26T12:48:28.427" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="12063" PostId="2659" Score="5" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine That's commonly done, but I often find that the question winds up not being all that suitable for MO (and so I don't agree it's a fairly convincing argument). I think a problem with math.se is that it's swamped with questions, and many questions fail to elicit an answer because they don't excite anyone, or they are not sufficiently low-hanging fruit, or something else." CreationDate="2015-12-26T13:32:17.547" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12064" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: yes, that’s true.  But it means that anyone reluctant to answer it here as “not research-level” has a fallback option of answering it there instead." CreationDate="2015-12-26T22:43:59.900" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="12065" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine Good point, and &quot;nothing ventured, nothing gained&quot; as they say." CreationDate="2015-12-27T00:57:59.587" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12057" PostId="2660" Score="1" Text="It might be worthwhile to tag this as faq." CreationDate="2015-12-23T21:39:19.350" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12085" PostId="2660" Score="0" Text="See also [this answer](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/9737) and [this answer](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/3297) on meta.math.SE." CreationDate="2016-01-02T09:20:01.447" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12051" PostId="2661" Score="0" Text="For me it worked well, I hope this works for everybody. Feedback, additions and corrections are most well come. The post is CW for a reason. :-)" CreationDate="2015-12-22T23:34:02.617" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="24057" PostId="2661" Score="0" Text="I believe this no longer works?" CreationDate="2020-09-26T13:26:16.813" UserId="165998" />
  <row Id="12061" PostId="2666" Score="9" Text="Let me add to quid's answer that it is crucial to make your question self-contained. In particular it is not reasonable to expect that in order to understand your question, people read the paper you ask about." CreationDate="2015-12-25T22:40:41.750" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12060" PostId="2667" Score="5" Text="It should be added that well-crafted questions undergo more than one revision, and that the community hopes but does not expect that you get it right on the first try.  We do expect that you will respond to feedback in a way for mutual benefit to you and to the community.  Gerhard &quot;When In Doubt, Read FAQ&quot; Paseman, 2015.12.25" CreationDate="2015-12-25T19:44:32.297" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12069" PostId="2674" Score="18" Text="Note that your question was not closed by a moderator; it was closed by 5 community members who believed that it should be closed." CreationDate="2015-12-29T01:48:03.617" UserDisplayName="angussidney" />
  <row Id="12071" PostId="2676" Score="0" Text="As a general SE feature, one can &quot;favor&quot; questions; see here: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/53585/how-do-favorite-questions-work. But no plans for an actual *notification* system for this are in sight." CreationDate="2015-12-30T17:42:52.140" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12072" PostId="2676" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Yes. I'm aware of both &quot;favorite&quot; and &quot;notification via mail&quot; features in a post. What I'm looking for is a mechanism for following the entire contribution of a particular user in the site who often makes good points, without any need to check the &quot;activity&quot; section in their profile. Something like receiving a mail when they post something that is possibly of your interest. Why there is no &quot;follow&quot; button in one's profile when all other similar Q&amp;A sites have such a feature? Is there any reason behind this?" CreationDate="2015-12-30T17:47:17.943" UserDisplayName="user82800" />
  <row Id="12073" PostId="2677" Score="3" Text="&quot;focusing ones voting on some few users too much could even cause problems&quot;  Could, and often does. Targeted voting is a frequent nuisance, and unpleasant to have to rectify through vote invalidation." CreationDate="2015-12-31T02:35:27.717" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12074" PostId="2679" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the answer, Nate. It convinced me not to try to attract further attention to the idea on MO; rather I will implement it to get confidence about its correctness and efficiency. The main benefit would anyhow be a simpler algorithmic solution of the general matching problem, If the idea proofs useful, then it will automatically attract attention after some time even if not necessarily on MO.." CreationDate="2015-12-31T08:26:34.367" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="12076" PostId="2682" Score="1" Text="The sovereignity is limited primarily to owning the domain name and some of the look and feel (e.g. no ads).  The decision was made to integrate MathOverflow into the StackExchange network to use the features their later software provided.  Any change requests as a result are considered as applying to the StackExchange (StackOverflow?) network as a whole.  You might get a better answer if you asked this on meta.stackexchange.  Gerhard &quot;At Least We're Not MathExchange&quot; Paseman, 2015.12.31" CreationDate="2015-12-31T19:43:12.180" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12133" PostId="2682" Score="1" Text="I think a possible good answer for this question should be provided by a MO moderator or a SE community manager who knows how things work in such cases by detail. I will be thankful if any of them provide an answer for this question." CreationDate="2016-01-14T06:58:27.833" UserDisplayName="user82800" />
  <row Id="12090" PostId="2685" Score="0" Text="Apparently, Dima is not the only one having a problem with pmod; http://mathoverflow.net/questions/37097/why-are-the-only-numbers-m-for-which-nm1-equiv-n-bmod-m-also-the-only-n#comment561661_37097" CreationDate="2016-01-03T14:59:12.973" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12092" PostId="2685" Score="0" Text="On my Mac symbols \mod \pmod \pod are not displayed, as well as \binom and \choose." CreationDate="2016-01-03T18:05:15.810" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="12093" PostId="2685" Score="0" Text="However \bmod does work." CreationDate="2016-01-03T18:06:54.357" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="12108" PostId="2685" Score="1" Text="MathJax v2.6 was released on Dec 30. If clearing the browser cache helped, this error may have come from having components from different versions of MathJax in the browser cache simultaneously." CreationDate="2016-01-10T02:11:43.917" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="12189" PostId="2685" Score="2" Text="@PeterKrautzberger Could you write an answer? When I had this problem and arrived at this page I did not notice this tip. I think a more prominent place would be better." CreationDate="2016-01-25T13:32:53.583" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="12190" PostId="2685" Score="1" Text="@Dirk thanks for alerting me. I never got a confirmation and I'm not an active user. Will write one now." CreationDate="2016-01-25T22:05:16.717" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="12086" PostId="2686" Score="0" Text="Have you checked the main site as well (meta might behave differently)?" CreationDate="2016-01-03T13:23:01.013" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12087" PostId="2686" Score="0" Text="Now I did, and it looks the same as here." CreationDate="2016-01-03T13:46:10.023" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="12088" PostId="2686" Score="0" Text="Firefox on Ubuntu Linux 14.04" CreationDate="2016-01-03T14:57:25.987" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="12089" PostId="2686" Score="0" Text="works on my Android phone, though" CreationDate="2016-01-03T14:57:55.980" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="12091" PostId="2686" Score="0" Text="And now it is OK with the setup that did not work when I posted this question. (I can say that I had that \mod etc problem for a couple of days at least)." CreationDate="2016-01-03T15:14:18.880" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="12094" PostId="2686" Score="2" Text="Both of these render as &quot;[Math Processing Error]&quot; for me..." CreationDate="2016-01-03T20:05:10.917" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="12095" PostId="2686" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman: Did you try clearing your cache?" CreationDate="2016-01-04T14:21:37.843" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12098" PostId="2686" Score="3" Text="When I first visited this page, I saw errors as mentioned by Andy Putman.  When I refreshed the page, the MathJax came out fine." CreationDate="2016-01-05T04:07:13.763" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="12096" PostId="2687" Score="4" Text="The preview does not bother by being visible, but by unbearably slowing down the edit box (for long posts). Positioning it outside the visible screen area will not stop the MathJax script responsible for the slowdown, and conversely, there is no slowdown to be noticed in a two-line example." CreationDate="2016-01-04T15:31:02.847" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12097" PostId="2688" Score="2" Text="That list calls for a revision. Firefox 37 is old. Perhaps adding the sentence &quot;or newer&quot; will make it mathematically correct again. :-P" CreationDate="2016-01-04T16:30:35.433" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12100" PostId="2688" Score="1" Text="OK, thanks. Unfortunately I haven't found any other browser that's compatible with a first generation iPad that solves the problem. If anybody knows of one then I'd be very interested to hear of it." CreationDate="2016-01-08T11:21:19.950" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="12099" PostId="2690" Score="6" Text="This is a good point; it may help to think of addressing not just a single person in one's answer, but rather a general audience, broadcasting one's knowledge to the world in a maximally useful way." CreationDate="2016-01-07T12:36:04.120" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12128" PostId="2690" Score="2" Text="I click on the user  name to try to ascertain the user's background so that I can tailor my answer appropriately.  If it is a new user who does not identify himself or herself, I generally do not answer the question. A couple of times when the question was a very good one but I could not determine who the OP is, I left a comment to email me it the OP wanted an answer from me." CreationDate="2016-01-11T19:21:53.110" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="12131" PostId="2692" Score="0" Text="You have plenty of rep on MSE - why not offer some bounties to attract attention to your questions?" CreationDate="2016-01-13T12:34:36.310" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="12132" PostId="2692" Score="0" Text="@Carl: Nice suggestion! I forgot to think about it! Thanks!" CreationDate="2016-01-13T13:23:50.707" UserId="68474" />
  <row Id="12104" PostId="2693" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer and the reference. I am not even sure whether my questions are interesting enough to get attention at the linked thread though, considering the few questions asked there and the few visitors. Also it seems to me it is not intended for homework questions either. I guess I just have to be patient or try to figure them out by myself." CreationDate="2016-01-08T18:28:16.303" UserId="68474" />
  <row Id="12105" PostId="2693" Score="2" Text="Patience is one of the best learning tools.  I wish I had more of it!" CreationDate="2016-01-08T19:29:47.840" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="12106" PostId="2693" Score="0" Text="@Ryan: Patience. You'll get there! Just be patient, and you'll eventually find yourself having more patience." CreationDate="2016-01-08T23:42:37.460" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12139" PostId="2697" Score="0" Text="How is this a question of policy? But good luck with the activity. I'll be interested to see it." CreationDate="2016-01-19T00:08:29.613" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12140" PostId="2697" Score="0" Text="Feel free to retag appropriately.  If it is an independent effort (e.g. I and others go it alone and produce ArXiv submissions) then it would be nice to review the use policy about such compilations.  If it is an effort to be supported or endorsed by MathOverflow LLC, StackExchange(Overflow?), etc, then the use policy becomes more important, as do other organization policies that might have something to say about organizational participation/oversight.  But again, I am getting ahead of myself.  Gerhard &quot;Are Tag Searches Good Enough?&quot; Paseman, 2016.01.18" CreationDate="2016-01-19T00:17:23.893" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12141" PostId="2697" Score="12" Text="If you're going to continuously update your article, you might as well set up a wiki or something.  You are already free to use results here as long as you follow the standard copyright license and mathematical community norms about citations.  I don't see the point of seeking official endorsement." CreationDate="2016-01-19T02:30:34.057" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="12146" PostId="2697" Score="8" Text="I agree with Scott. I can't tell if you were thinking of using the MO software for it, but if so, I think that would be not as well adapted to such a project as a wiki (plus, it would be a little confusing). Otherwise, it's not really something for the community to vote on; if you like the idea yourself, then feel free to do it." CreationDate="2016-01-19T12:06:50.463" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12163" PostId="2702" Score="1" Text="The question is vague.&#xA;&#xA;'I have encountered the following two definitions of &quot;polyhedral region&quot; (or more accurately, definitions equivalent to these).'&#xA;&#xA;Where? And how are we sure they are actually equivalent to what you encountered?" CreationDate="2016-01-22T13:09:39.290" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12164" PostId="2702" Score="1" Text="I've edited the question. I will point out in my defence that the mathematical content of the question is not vague, and the two answers I received both state that (1) and (2) are indeed equivalent. If those answers are correct, then any vagueness regarding the sources is a moot point because the mathematical premise of my question is correct." CreationDate="2016-01-22T16:56:41.393" UserId="85583" />
  <row Id="12166" PostId="2702" Score="0" Text="I've edited my Stack Exchange question to eliminate the preface, which is not really needed. The motivation for the question is self-evident: the goal is to characterize sets satisfying (1) via a description of their boundary." CreationDate="2016-01-22T17:45:14.410" UserId="85583" />
  <row Id="12167" PostId="2702" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the edit. You say &quot;[t]he motivation for the question is self-evident&quot; but *which* question are you now talking about? I'd agree that the *mathematical* question whether the two definitions are equivalent does not need much motivation and does not really need sources either (though giving them is a plus, in my opinion).. **However** you make a point of this mathematical question, not being the question you intend to ask. Indeed, this  mathematical question seems to be answered already. Thus, in my mind the question you intend to ask here could use some motivation." CreationDate="2016-01-22T19:34:09.850" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12168" PostId="2702" Score="1" Text="Why/what for do you need the reference?  Possible answers include: a) I want to quote it in a paper. b) I do not understand/trust the answers on [math.se] and want a more detailed/authorative one. c) I though about writing this up myself in detail, but I will not if there exists a good write up already.  All of them are legitimated reasons, but they are not the same (in relevant ways)." CreationDate="2016-01-22T19:34:22.833" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12169" PostId="2702" Score="0" Text="Finally, to answer you original meta question more directly: a question asking  Def 1 in Source A and Def 2 in Source B  are/seem equivalent. Is there a Source C that establishes this or related equivalence in detail. Seems like a plausibly on-topic question. (This is not my type of math though, so this is not a definite answer.)" CreationDate="2016-01-22T19:34:36.723" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12171" PostId="2702" Score="0" Text="Quid, I meant the motivation for the mathematical question was self-evident without the sources. I didn't want my question to remain subject to criticism that it was vague. The reason I would like to have this information is closest to (b). I would like to know the proof of this fact in detail. The answers I was given, and I believe any answers to the question on Stack Exchange or Math Overflow, will necessarily omit so many details that they become difficult to verify, for me at least. I am interested in knowing the lemmas and intermediate steps that would be used in a more ordered exposition" CreationDate="2016-01-23T01:29:15.907" UserId="85583" />
  <row Id="12172" PostId="2702" Score="1" Text="Also, while I understand that you are curious about my motivation, I wonder why all of this is relevant to determining whether the question is on-topic or not. I don't agree that my motivation ought to make a big difference in terms of the kinds of answers I receive, which should be references to any literature discussing my question or closely related topics." CreationDate="2016-01-23T01:32:04.100" UserId="85583" />
  <row Id="12173" PostId="2702" Score="0" Text="I will add that even if a published proof is similar to the one in the answer in terms of level of detail, I would still prefer it. My inclination is to trust things that have been published more than answers on MSE, and if there are gaps, I will be more motivated to try to fill them in knowing that the intermediate statements themselves are reliable because they have been made by an expert in that field. This isn't intended as a criticism of MSE or Math Overflow, but I think this is inherent in the nature of a Q&amp;A site." CreationDate="2016-01-23T01:41:37.163" UserId="85583" />
  <row Id="12174" PostId="2702" Score="0" Text="I recommend you ways to improve your question.  The motivation that is given and the style in which the question is posed (with or without source for example) does usually affect how the question is received, viz. its on-topicnes. For example, would you just post the two statements and asked for a reference to a detailed proof, chances are somebody might take it for homework, and react negatively." CreationDate="2016-01-23T02:14:47.063" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12177" PostId="2704" Score="2" Text="I'm not exactly sure what you're asking for, especially since you deliberately avoid asking a question. In case my guess is correct: no, we can't &quot;undecline&quot; flags." CreationDate="2016-01-24T13:39:58.240" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="12178" PostId="2704" Score="0" Text="Having written my answer, I guess my main message, looking to the future, is &quot;please flag accurately&quot;. Perhaps here it just comes down to differences in how one interprets the word 'spam'. I think some users interpret it overly broadly." CreationDate="2016-01-24T14:36:31.337" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12179" PostId="2704" Score="0" Text="to me the post was nothing more than a link to a book for sale, i.e. an advert, but i'm new to this, if these are acceptable i'll bear this in mind" CreationDate="2016-01-24T14:38:32.307" UserId="70355" />
  <row Id="12180" PostId="2704" Score="4" Text="Jon, you might be right and I might be wrong. But I didn't think that's where the OP was coming from: trying to jack up book sales. If that's what I thought, I would have accepted the flag. (If it helps, I hesitated before processing the flag that way; it wasn't an absolutely clear-cut call to me.)" CreationDate="2016-01-24T14:44:15.563" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12181" PostId="2705" Score="9" Text="The reasons why the usage of spam-flags is so restraint is that the data is used to train/program the automatic spam filter. To add noise to this via flagging as spam isolated crackpot posts does not seem like a good idea. (If the posts are abusive they can be flagged as offensive. ) That is to say, I would be careful with broadening of definitions there as it could have consequences down the road." CreationDate="2016-01-24T15:30:54.233" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12191" PostId="2707" Score="1" Text="As someone likes to say, [should I blame caching?](http://shouldiblamecaching.com/) (yes, yes you should.)" CreationDate="2016-01-25T23:47:06.820" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12192" PostId="2707" Score="0" Text="Hah! Great link!" CreationDate="2016-01-26T06:17:11.237" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="12200" PostId="2712" Score="7" Text="I didn't vote on this question, but I had to read it several times; I found it hard to read (i.e., understand). A question: are these examples made up, or are they supposed to be mathematically sensible based on real thinking (e.g., yours)? I think a status quo reaction, if these types of questions were actually posed, might well be &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot;. Another phrase that comes to mind, used sometimes now but more often before the SE migration, is &quot;fishing expedition&quot; -- i.e. the OP has only a vague idea what he or she is after." CreationDate="2016-01-27T06:22:45.577" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12203" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="The two examples were improvised on the spot, so I expect them to be examples of (non-)specificity in some regards.  In some way, the type of question does resemble a fishing expedition when it hopes for an SS answer rather than an answer to SS.  A stricter measure would be, given introductory material I and brief research proposal P, I might write a research grant application including I and P.  I might beforehand come to this forum and ask &quot;Does P have a decent chance of being funded?&quot;  (continued)  Gerhard &quot;Wishing For Longer Comment Boxes&quot; Paseman, 2016.01.27." CreationDate="2016-01-27T16:23:14.433" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12204" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="However,  applying for a grant application is one of the reasons not to go public with P, so I don't come to MathOverflow to ask about P.  Instead, I note that proposal P includes studying statement S, which may be slightly less specific than a normal MathOverflow question Q, but has a narrow scope as exemplified in my post above.  However, I am unable to determine the suitability of S as a community accepted object of study.  &quot;Is S a good research question?&quot; seems something that people here in the area of S might answer.  Gerhard &quot;Not Finished With This Yet&quot; Paseman, 2016.01.27." CreationDate="2016-01-27T16:30:23.753" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12205" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="I am surprised that you might find it hard to understand.  I don't consider the two examples above as good statements S that form part of research proposal P.  I do consider them as examples of narrow scope: in one I am trying a specific route toward solving an open problem, but the object I pick may have its own intrinsic value for study.  (Or does it? Whom should I ask?) The other is trying to generalize an open problem by changing domain. (Or did I generalize enough? Whom to ask?)  Maybe I shouldn't have tried explaining the title.  Gerhard &quot;My Advisor Has Gone Fishing&quot; Paseman, 2016.01.27." CreationDate="2016-01-27T16:37:18.287" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12206" PostId="2712" Score="1" Text="Gerhard: what can I say? (Maybe I'm just not very bright?) Anyway, your last comment is a little confusing, since you say &quot;I&quot; but I think you mean instead some hypothetical poster. If that is the case, then the last instance of &quot;I&quot; seems to be one where you're switching back to the real &quot;I&quot; that is Gerhard Paseman." CreationDate="2016-01-27T16:56:43.580" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12207" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="I don't intend to express anything about your abilities. (I apologize for any offense caused.)  I do intend to express my surprise about the question being hard to understand.  Perhaps it is a communication issue.  Regarding use of &quot;I&quot; in a previous comment, it does not matter to me if &quot;I&quot; always refers to me in that comment.  Whatever attribution of people to &quot;I&quot; makes the most sense to you, use that. Regarding what you can say, I will post an answer later addressing that.  Gerhard &quot;Narrow Margins Serve Useful Functions&quot; Paseman, 2016.0.27." CreationDate="2016-01-27T17:07:57.510" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12208" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="We seem to be getting off on a wrong track. Let me try another. Is this a type of question that you yourself are considering asking? Or, is this a type of question that someone you actually know might ask or might benefit from asking? Or is this really hypothetical, where you are imagining someone might ask such a thing in the future, and you'd like to know how the community should usefully respond? Etc." CreationDate="2016-01-27T17:22:32.300" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12209" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="I am considering the expansion of the purpose of MathOverflow (to judge as well as answer questions).  While I myself would like to ask &quot;Is S of current interest to (some part of) this professional community?&quot; and get a yes/no answer, I think we could set up a format where others could say &quot;is S'  a good research question&quot;, and MathOverflow members could say yes or no with useful commentary.  I could see new faculty and graduate students being served by answers like &quot; No, did that in (reference)&quot; or &quot; Yes ( and X said this so far)&quot;.  Gerhard &quot;For Community And For Myself&quot; Paseman, 2016.01.27." CreationDate="2016-01-27T17:37:02.350" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12210" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="Okay, that helps some; thanks. Still, I find the examples you gave not too clear. Example 1 for instance is really vague, and it's hard to tell whether this is supposed to be a signal that the (let's say young) researcher doesn't want to reveal his hand, or it's because you don't really have a specific example but just wanted to give a general flavor of the type of question. [Because if it were really phrased like that, it would be entirely justified to vote to close right away as &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot;.] I'm pretty confident guessing it's the latter, but (continued)" CreationDate="2016-01-27T17:48:10.233" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12211" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="but I think it would probably help your post if you could think of a more plausible and specific example, something that would not automatically be shut down in five minutes. That's just my opinion." CreationDate="2016-01-27T17:49:55.590" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12212" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="Anyway, your question is interesting. I'm undecided if it's a good idea." CreationDate="2016-01-27T17:56:33.160" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12213" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your input.  I am sure more appropriate examples exist, and if you understand the thrust, I would be appreciative if you could counter with better examples ( even if ultimately the answer to the title is &quot;no&quot; ).  One good answer to this post would have a form like &quot;There are already several references as to what makes a good research question, see A, B, and C.  MathOverflow cannot do as good a job for the simple reason that R. Therefore no, it is not a good MathOverflow question.&quot; Gerhard &quot;Sometimes Prefers Abbreviations Over Acronyms&quot; Paseman, 2016.01.27." CreationDate="2016-01-27T18:17:21.660" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12252" PostId="2718" Score="5" Text="The question is off-topic, or  at best borderline on-topic and likely to gather problematic contributions. Actually it already did and OP grossly misbehaved. Clear close." CreationDate="2016-02-04T09:15:33.920" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12253" PostId="2718" Score="0" Text="@quid Actually, the question has gathered a few comments about its very closure, some of them can be possibly regarded as problematic. The only answer to the post is a reference to an article by viXra's founder that can hardly be referred to as problematic." CreationDate="2016-02-04T10:05:42.527" UserId="26039" />
  <row Id="12254" PostId="2718" Score="3" Text="I would have posted my comment as an answer, namely that Simon Plouffe posts papers there, even more than on the arXiv, but it was already closed. This is not to say I could claim to know what the benefit of the question was anyway. Sure, it might be interesting to know, if one is in a relaxed and charitable frame of mind, but here on MO? Not so sure..." CreationDate="2016-02-04T10:11:52.570" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="12255" PostId="2718" Score="1" Text="Thanks for your answer, @DavidRoberts" CreationDate="2016-02-04T10:26:28.950" UserId="26039" />
  <row Id="12256" PostId="2718" Score="2" Text="@DelioMugnolo First, I wrote &quot;contributions&quot; not &quot;answers.&quot; More to the point, the subject of viXra is inherently problematic and likely to attract controversy and problematic content. I am pretty sure this post will become a crank-magnet. This is not the fault of the post itself, but the post also does not live in a vacuum and this expectations is additional reason not to want this question. Your argumentative attitude does not help either. This post does not add much light, but a lot of heat or at least potential for it." CreationDate="2016-02-04T11:50:05.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12258" PostId="2719" Score="0" Text="Yes, I do find those answers helpful and have upvoted them. &#xA;&#xA;But let me add that I've been on MO for some years now and I haven't seen so many cranks around that preemptive strikes are justified. Sometimes I feel that a bit more open discussions wouldn't harm that much. I understand MO is a site about math research, but sometimes I'd like it could also be a site for math research*ers* as well." CreationDate="2016-02-04T14:16:35.140" UserId="26039" />
  <row Id="12259" PostId="2719" Score="1" Text="@DelioMugnolo I know you've been here a long time and have made valuable contributions to MO, and I'm listening to what you are saying here (I'm also trying to be neutral for the moment). In any event, it's quite clear your original post was asked in good faith, and some of the rebukes strike me as unnecessarily harsh towards someone who has made quality contributions in the past, as you have." CreationDate="2016-02-04T14:46:27.503" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12260" PostId="2719" Score="2" Text="@DelioMugnolo &quot;and I haven't seen so many cranks around that preemptive strikes are justified&quot; Did it ever occur to you that it could be *you* do not see them because some other users and moderators limit and remove this type of content efficiently. The time since sign-up, and even the points, are not a good indication how much somebody knows about these aspects of the site." CreationDate="2016-02-04T14:59:32.423" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12261" PostId="2719" Score="6" Text="The OP essentially asks whether vixra is of any use for a serious mathematician. I find that a perfectly reasonable question and it should have a place on MO. @DelioMugnolo: I am not aware of any useful maths on vixra." CreationDate="2016-02-04T15:02:14.757" UserId="17879" />
  <row Id="12266" PostId="2719" Score="0" Text="@quid Well, what I do know is that oftentimes I've opened my rss reader and followed links just to find that some (IMHO completely reasonable and mostly unbiased) soft questions had been closed down within minutes. I am not at all against moderation, but I have observed over and over again that *some* moderators seem to have very strict policies and also to be very conscious of their role." CreationDate="2016-02-04T16:42:17.413" UserId="26039" />
  <row Id="12267" PostId="2719" Score="0" Text="@UweStroinski Thanks for your contribution. As I wrote, yes, this is also my opinion so far." CreationDate="2016-02-04T17:52:44.843" UserId="26039" />
  <row Id="12268" PostId="2719" Score="3" Text="@DelioMugnolo your comment is very general and I do not think this is the place to rehash the practices of this site in general terms. Your comment might cause confusion. The term moderator as commonly used on this site refers to those and only those users listed under the moderators tab. Somehow I doubt you  mean them specifically." CreationDate="2016-02-04T18:40:34.767" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12700" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="@Nate sorry for this notice out of left field, but I don't have current access to academia.stackexchange.  Perhaps you could add a comment to the CS contractor whose customer might plagiarize the project for an honors thesis: Have the contract turn into a tutoring contract where the customer learns from the contractor enough to do the thesis.  If done right, it should be a win-win.  Gerhard &quot;Hoping Left Field Solutions Work&quot; Paseman, 2016.03.22" CreationDate="2016-03-23T05:57:26.067" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12271" PostId="2722" Score="1" Text="Thanks for your answer.  Yes, it looks like I have sufficient score in the enumeration tag but not in the enumerative-combinatorics tag to suggest a synonym, and I probably tried in the wrong direction." CreationDate="2016-02-06T01:15:11.057" UserId="2233" />
  <row Id="12272" PostId="2723" Score="2" Text="Related, near duplicate http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2155/how-should-we-react-to-the-existence-of-math-educators-se" CreationDate="2016-02-06T14:30:50.513" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12274" PostId="2723" Score="3" Text="Thanks for raising this - it was my question Tony Huynh refers to. I have no problem with the question being closed (whatever that means) if it's off-topic. Any suggestions on how to make it more relevant would be appreciated? In view of the similar 'good' question Tony and I both mentioned, it's not clear to me how to do that." CreationDate="2016-02-06T14:39:57.203" UserId="62562" />
  <row Id="12349" PostId="2723" Score="1" Text="Perhaps it is a better fit for [matheducators.se]?" CreationDate="2016-02-14T13:50:50.687" UserId="52890" />
  <row Id="12276" PostId="2726" Score="4" Text="Sure. When you are addressing the author of a post, it's not necessary to use the @; the author will get notified automatically, and in fact the software strips the @ way. If you want to address another party who has participated in the thread, then you need the @." CreationDate="2016-02-08T00:32:18.737" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12277" PostId="2726" Score="1" Text="@Todd Trimble: In my opinion this feature (i.e. stripping the @) is confusing and useless. But anyway, thanks for your quick reply." CreationDate="2016-02-08T00:38:54.360" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="12279" PostId="2726" Score="1" Text="Tangentially, it is in general better not to leave a space when forming the notifying string, which is also what auto-complete does. The reason is that the system searches for the first space after the @ and matches the string in between (slightly tweaked) to the start of potentially meant user names.  For example for the purpose of notification &quot;@Todd Trimble&quot; and &quot;@Todd Leason&quot; are identical. Both will notify the last user in the conversation whose display name starts with Todd (or something equivalent to it).`" CreationDate="2016-02-08T06:28:07.167" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12285" PostId="2729" Score="4" Text="For general advice on question titles, please see: [Titles should be stand-alone summaries of questions *without* depending on tags](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/180100/titles-should-be-stand-alone-summaries-of-questions-without-depending-on-tags)." CreationDate="2016-02-08T21:22:20.270" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="12286" PostId="2729" Score="5" Text="&quot;Policy on MO&quot; is the net effect of decisions by hundreds of independent users. Personally, I would have used the title, &quot;Natural density and Dirichlet density.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-02-08T23:38:33.427" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12289" PostId="2729" Score="6" Text="@GerryMyerson  [Dirichlet density vs natural density](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/160090/dirichlet-density-vs-natural-density). Then we can still have &quot;Dirichlet density and natural density&quot; and   &quot;Natural density vs Dirichlet density.&quot; Frankly, this is the type of titling that leads to &quot;Compute the integral 7&quot; on [math.se]" CreationDate="2016-02-09T08:09:24.837" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12291" PostId="2729" Score="2" Text="@quid, the main purpose of a title is to let people know whether they're likely to be interested in reading the question. The people who would read a question with the title, &quot;Ref request: If the natural density (relative to the primes) exists, then the Dirichlet density also exists, and the two are equal&quot; are, I reckon, pretty much the same people who would read a question with the title, &quot;Natural density and Dirichlet density.&quot; Another purpose of the title is to facilitate searches, and anyone searching for *natural/Dirichlet density* will find it with either title." CreationDate="2016-02-09T11:56:40.363" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12294" PostId="2729" Score="3" Text="@GerryMyerson. Haven't you just described *one* of the main purposes of a title? I don't see any reason why it should be *the* main one. I'm probably biased in my judgment, but I've always believed that a title, as long as space is available, should provide as much information as possible about the actual content of whatever the title is meant for. How could you make a difference between distinct threads both of which are concerned with properties of the Dirichlet and natural densities? Right, you couldn't. On the other hand, using &quot;Ref. request&quot; was a bad idea, that's definitely clear." CreationDate="2016-02-09T13:28:23.727" UserId="16537" />
  <row Id="12290" PostId="2730" Score="1" Text="When was the limit 250 characters?" CreationDate="2016-02-09T11:55:34.003" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12292" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't know. But then the  text I quote is I believe from before I was around." CreationDate="2016-02-09T12:32:06.557" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12293" PostId="2730" Score="2" Text="I see... thanks. May I also suggest that if you want to go back to not being a round, similar to apparently three years ago, diet and exercise is a good idea! :-P" CreationDate="2016-02-09T12:44:43.147" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12295" PostId="2730" Score="2" Text="The text was not written three years ago. It was already on MO 1.0, and I think from very early on. It just got copied over then. Thanks for the advice. I might create an account on [fitness.se] and see if it helps/" CreationDate="2016-02-09T18:15:58.223" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12296" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="Yes, I guessed this was something taken from MO 1.0, as the SE 2 software *should* be more or less uniform all across the board, even here. At least in this aspect. Anyway whether or not you want to be a round is your call. :-)" CreationDate="2016-02-09T18:29:23.380" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12297" PostId="2730" Score="4" Text="\O\  \O/ /O/ \O/ \O\  \O/ /O/ \O/ \O\ \O/ /O/ \O/ \O\  \O/ /O/ \O/ \O\  \O/ /O/ That's enough exercise for today." CreationDate="2016-02-09T18:55:30.523" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12299" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="To finally answer your question: [before May 9th, 2010](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/48237/)." CreationDate="2016-02-09T19:20:32.763" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12337" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="Many tags (eg `math.lo`) are useful for categorisation, but don’t add anything that can’t be inferred the rest of the title.  But “Ref. request” and a few others add something which often can’t be inferred from the rest of the question title.  On scanning the front page, the question titles are much more prominent than the tags, so I would guess I’m not the only person who’s grateful for the use of such quasi-tags, on the basis that question titles should summarise the question as self-containedly as possible." CreationDate="2016-02-14T00:46:34.357" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="12338" PostId="2730" Score="2" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine  my point was  that there are plenty of *different* types of reference request, and if one already writes this in the title one should be more specific than just reference request. Would it say &quot;Where was it first proved [...]&quot; or &quot;What is the original source of [...]&quot;  than I'd be fine with it. And generally it is also a  stylistic thing, I think it is better to integrate the information organically in the title rather than to tuck it on in a tag-like way." CreationDate="2016-02-14T00:55:22.397" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="26125" PostId="2732" Score="0" Text="I just had an &quot;interesting&quot; experience - my answer was unaccepted, and the poster accepted his own answer, a relatively minor variation of my answer. :-/ I feel it's borderline behaviour, especially as I recalled how poster nagged me for details..." CreationDate="2021-06-26T22:45:41.657" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="12301" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="That discussion was mainly focused on  the &quot;unsatisfactory&quot; answer situation, rather than on the case where there are no answers at all." CreationDate="2016-02-11T19:38:58.530" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="12302" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="To me &quot;no satisfactory answer&quot; includes &quot;no answer,&quot; and the answer there was written in this spirit." CreationDate="2016-02-11T19:43:13.530" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12303" PostId="2734" Score="1" Text="Such interpretation is quite a stretch - I see a huge difference between such two cases :-)" CreationDate="2016-02-11T19:53:13.360" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="12304" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="The first comment on the question there explicitly mentions the situation that no answer is given. (Besides, I said what this means to me, and in which spirit the answer was written, which *I* know for a fact as it was me who wrote it, in case that was missed.)" CreationDate="2016-02-11T20:01:00.650" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12305" PostId="2734" Score="1" Text="That comment is unclear in stating what exactly is the commenter's position on the situation when there are no answers. To me it sounds that this commenter would not mind if the points would be returned back to the bounty issuer in such cases. I think this case deserves a separate discussion and my question could serve as a vehicle for such discussion." CreationDate="2016-02-11T20:08:08.787" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="12306" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="I do not see what you are getting at. You asked if it is refunded; the answer to which is &quot;No.&quot; This answers the question you asked completely.  For general information I linked to a related discussion, but just ignore it if you find it not relevant. If instead of seeking information about the situation, you want start a discussion about this, feel free to do so, but state it clearly." CreationDate="2016-02-11T20:12:09.043" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12307" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="So let us discuss it - I added request for discussion into my question. Thanks." CreationDate="2016-02-11T20:15:05.210" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="12310" PostId="2734" Score="3" Text="The analogy with sales advertisement in my view is not quite adequate. In the case of sales advertisement, there is a clear beneficiary of the &quot;payment&quot; (the newspaper). Bounty is another matter - in its traditional meaning it is just a promise of payment and its realization is due only upon the response/action." CreationDate="2016-02-11T20:38:44.933" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="12311" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="The analogy may not be perfect. However, the main explication is not based on this analogy. It is more an afterthought. The intent is to safeguard against inflationary use of bounties." CreationDate="2016-02-11T20:43:27.847" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12312" PostId="2734" Score="1" Text="I think that such &quot;safeguard&quot; is counterproductive in the case being discussed here." CreationDate="2016-02-11T20:47:10.530" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="12313" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="As to the &quot;significant additional visibility&quot; a question gets from a bounty, my impression is rather that the number of additional views a question gets after someone has placed a bounty on it is just about that the question would get after merely editing it -- though it would would be interesting to have this statement either confirmed or refuted by statistical data." CreationDate="2016-02-11T21:31:22.203" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12314" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl it may be true that the added visibility is not that big, but still it is the intent to give visibility. But personally I do not find bounties for small and mid-sized sites, like MO, overly useful or effective either. This is bit orthogonal though. The point still stands: would bounties be for free it would likely lead to an inflation of bounties. (And &quot;no answer&quot; or &quot;no satisfactory answer&quot; exceptions are opening a can of worms.)" CreationDate="2016-02-12T00:14:17.047" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12315" PostId="2734" Score="1" Text="There is a huge difference between &quot;no satisfactory answer&quot;, which is subjective opinion and &quot;no answer&quot;, which is an objective fact." CreationDate="2016-02-12T00:37:49.037" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="12316" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="@Alex what if a joke-answer is posted?" CreationDate="2016-02-12T00:39:04.243" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12317" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="Math overflow members are serious audience - so such &quot;joke-answers&quot; are very improbable ..." CreationDate="2016-02-12T00:47:42.037" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="12318" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="@Alex I do not consider this as satisfactory a reply. But, okay. So what if a (new) user posts something that they intended as a comment as an answer (out of inability to comment or ignorance about the workings of the site)?" CreationDate="2016-02-12T01:04:35.030" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12321" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="Those rare cases (of &quot;jokes&quot; or &quot;ignorance&quot;) could be addressed through moderators." CreationDate="2016-02-12T01:38:43.240" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="12322" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="@Alex so cases where a comment is posted as an answer out of ignorance or as a joke, should be addressed by a moderator and not count as answer (I will note that already there is a judgement to be made what qualifies as &quot;no answer&quot;). What if something is posted as an answer and asker or many others (but maybe not all think), it ought to have been a comment?" CreationDate="2016-02-12T01:43:07.890" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12323" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="Again, such cases will occur very rarely and those issues should be decided by moderators. Such occurrences will happen very rarely and they are not worthy of this discussion." CreationDate="2016-02-12T01:46:23.020" UserId="55853" />
  <row Id="12325" PostId="2734" Score="1" Text="@Alex Such things occur less rarely than you might think.  Anyway, a process that will (rarely or not) need moderators' judgment to work  qualifies as a can of worms. And, this for precious little in return." CreationDate="2016-02-12T01:52:25.267" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12444" PostId="2734" Score="1" Text="I have definitely placed bounty on some questions that have not received an answer. I still think of these as points well spent." CreationDate="2016-02-20T22:34:05.980" UserId="38468" />
  <row Id="12324" PostId="2735" Score="2" Text="For general reference: due to a recent change 10k+ users can search for their own deleted content with `deleted:1`" CreationDate="2016-02-12T01:48:27.100" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12327" PostId="2735" Score="2" Text="You have 11 deleted questions and 31 deleted answers, none of which seem to match your description." CreationDate="2016-02-12T03:46:03.293" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="12328" PostId="2735" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais -thank you for your time. It was definitely a **Q.** The question &amp; answer format skews the text away from amplifying its intention or main point. Nevertheless there was something about groups and their finiteness or infiniteness, either way. I have presented what I believe was an original treatment of finiteness (or infiniteness)--it was all very simple &amp; elementary. Possibly it was about a monoid (or semigroup) being forced to be a group. I hope that only $\mathbf 1$ my deleted Question fits my rough description while the remaining $\mathbf {10}$ are clearly not related." CreationDate="2016-02-12T06:28:47.980" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="12329" PostId="2735" Score="2" Text="The closest &quot;question&quot; I could find was [this one](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/173572/from-abstract-exp-to-mathbb-c-itself)." CreationDate="2016-02-12T14:10:44.487" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="12447" PostId="2735" Score="1" Text="@S. Carnagan -- this is it, thank you very much." CreationDate="2016-02-21T08:33:57.013" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="26765" PostId="2735" Score="0" Text="Since 2022, it is possible to get a list of all your deleted questions/deleted answers through your profile. You can find more details here: [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254)" CreationDate="2022-01-12T16:10:08.587" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26766" PostId="2735" Score="4" Text="Does this answer your question? [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3254/can-i-somewhere-see-my-own-deleted-questions)" CreationDate="2022-01-12T16:10:27.180" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12330" PostId="2736" Score="2" Text="I think you should feel free to add the clarification to the question. -- As to &quot;penalties for being argumentative&quot;, I don't think there is anything you need to worry about -- penalties for people who would like to be helpful would be strange. Also, as far as I see, you made valuable contributions to the site since its beginnings." CreationDate="2016-02-12T20:24:46.623" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12331" PostId="2736" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, thanks!  I just worried that re-trying the edit would be perceived as stubbornness rather than helpfulness.  I'd be happy to accept your comment as an answer, if you'd like to post it." CreationDate="2016-02-12T20:27:52.407" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="12332" PostId="2736" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, oops, I take that back about accepting it.  There was another answer in the meantime, so I guess out of fairness I should accept the first." CreationDate="2016-02-12T20:30:16.973" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="12333" PostId="2738" Score="0" Text="Thanks!  I didn't notice, and submitted my in-progress edit, as it turned out, right on top of yours.  I guess that it will (properly) get re-rejected." CreationDate="2016-02-12T20:40:42.757" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="12334" PostId="2738" Score="1" Text="For the record: I reviewed @LSpice's edit and chose &quot;improve&quot; to insert the original and to preserve the additional commentary." CreationDate="2016-02-12T20:43:30.260" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12335" PostId="2738" Score="0" Text="@LSpice No problem; thanks for trying. (And thanks to quid for the further edit.) It may be somewhat moot as the OP hasn't been seen in almost 6 years, but it's better the way it is now." CreationDate="2016-02-12T20:45:09.037" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12341" PostId="2740" Score="21" Text="Isn't it a no-brainer that high-rep (IRL or virtual) should be completely irrelevant?" CreationDate="2016-02-14T13:30:24.003" UserId="52890" />
  <row Id="12342" PostId="2740" Score="9" Text="It should be pointed out that the question would likely be closed as duplicate at both Physics and Astronomy (e.g., of http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/235720/how-did-ligo-detect-the-source-of-the-gravitational-waves?rq=1 or http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/13725/why-can-we-detect-gravitational-waves). So a possible yardstick would be &quot;What answers could the MO community give that the others couldn't&quot; (and possibly edit the question accordingly)." CreationDate="2016-02-14T13:35:31.997" UserId="30516" />
  <row Id="12344" PostId="2740" Score="0" Text="@Danu I agree the rep should be irrelevant, but others feel differently. This has been discussed in meta elsewhere, but I'd have to track down where." CreationDate="2016-02-14T13:39:42.867" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12346" PostId="2740" Score="0" Text="@Danu given that there are explicit assertions to the contrary in comments on the post  'no'. That being said, in this context, I completely agree it should be irrelevant. (There are other situations were there is an argument to be made for considering it, roughly speaking there may be less need for giving explicit context for a post, when there is implicit context by virtue who posted it.)" CreationDate="2016-02-14T13:42:58.920" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12347" PostId="2740" Score="8" Text="@danu  I'd argue that who is asking adds critical context about what level and kind of answer is appropriate.  No answer is appropriate to all audiences." CreationDate="2016-02-14T13:45:46.093" UserId="35508" />
  <row Id="12348" PostId="2740" Score="4" Text="@user1504 I'm not very well-acquainted with mathoverflow (I come here mostly to stand in awe at you guys' interesting yet forever-out-of-reach discussions) but as far as &quot;normal&quot; Stack Exchange sites go, it is very important to have answers of *varying* difficulty/depth, regardless of who posted the question. Thus, even in this context, reputation of the asker should be disregarded (again, this may be different here on MO where not everything is necessarily as it is on other SE sites)." CreationDate="2016-02-14T13:49:06.700" UserId="52890" />
  <row Id="12351" PostId="2740" Score="3" Text="@user1504 this reasoning can be applicable in some contexts in the current case the reasoning felt purely along the lines of giving a &quot;celebrity bonus.&quot; This is quite explicit in Lucia's comment. Put differently how specifically would the answers differ were the question asked by some graduate student. How?" CreationDate="2016-02-14T14:36:47.510" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12352" PostId="2740" Score="7" Text="I am willing to let MO rep contribute toward giving a benefit of the doubt. If someone has contributed as much to the site as the OP, then why not give the question a chance?" CreationDate="2016-02-14T15:00:26.910" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="12355" PostId="2740" Score="4" Text="Another argument why the question should be improved independently of who asked it: What if Richard Stanley decides to delete his account at some point (as others have done before him), and it becomes user2807's question?" CreationDate="2016-02-14T15:09:42.760" UserId="30516" />
  <row Id="12363" PostId="2740" Score="2" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg I do not quite understand the notion of giving the benefit of the doubt here. There is no doubt; OP made it quite clear it is an idle curiosity (and this is not meant as a critique rather as a positive). Would OP ask a question in combinatorics that seems questionable to me, then I would agree I should better question my judgment and hold back on taking action (and this may reasonably be different if it were asked by some arbitrary user instead). What seems  the case is simply that a question should get a pass because somebody well-known asked it that would not otherwise." CreationDate="2016-02-14T17:04:43.620" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12364" PostId="2740" Score="3" Text="Nobody seems to have gotten a ``celebrity bonus&quot; or a &quot;pass&quot;.   If five people vote to close, the question still gets closed, and if five vote to reopen then it gets reopened.  There may be many reasonable views on this, but I don't see why they cannot be respected." CreationDate="2016-02-14T17:36:19.173" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12365" PostId="2740" Score="5" Text="@Lucia because the notion that different users should be treated in fundamentally different ways merely based on on-site or off-site merits without relation to the situation at hand  is highly objectionable and borderline offensive to some, in any case it is to me. Indeed it is sometimes criticized this were the case, usually in the other way round. This attitude also fuels existing negative  preconceptions against this site as being some in-clique (I do not say this is the case but the conception exist)." CreationDate="2016-02-14T17:40:47.273" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12366" PostId="2740" Score="9" Text="That's too bad if you find such a perspective offensive.  Others might find questionable the idea of insisting that no perspective besides one's own can be valid --- you have made numerous comments here about how you think about this issue, but surely there can be other viewpoints?" CreationDate="2016-02-14T17:48:43.013" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12367" PostId="2740" Score="9" Text="Offensive is a completely useless word in this context. Being offended is not an argument in any way. However, I do sympathize with the idea that the rules should be the same for everyone. Otherwise, what's next? Users with 20K rep opening a topic about who else is barbecuing in February?" CreationDate="2016-02-14T17:55:37.733" UserId="17907" />
  <row Id="12368" PostId="2740" Score="1" Text="@Lucia Please use comment notifications when you reply. I do not &quot;[insist] that no perspective besides one's own can be valid.&quot; Indeed I engage in a discussions on the subject to sharpen which viewpoints on a subject may be  valid and which  not so much. In my opinion there is a difference  between a &quot;valid viewpoint&quot; that I might not share, and just some opinion somebody voiced. Besides you use the word &quot;respected&quot;  and while I may accept this opinion, I am sorry but I just do not respect it as it runs counter fundamental principles important to me." CreationDate="2016-02-14T18:07:01.733" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12371" PostId="2740" Score="17" Text="For what it is worth, I certainly think that the real world identity of a poster can and should be taken into account when responding (whether by comments, answers, or moderation actions) to a post. It's long established that the moderation team here mostly encourage users to post under real world identities. Remember, MathOverflow is not part of &quot;the internet&quot; --- it is part of the world of professional research mathematics." CreationDate="2016-02-14T22:07:22.353" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="12372" PostId="2740" Score="6" Text="The discussed question may be not great, but I wonder what should  make it less on-topic than e.g. the [question on where to buy premium white chalk](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/26267/where-to-buy-premium-white-chalk-in-the-u-s-like-they-have-at-rims) which remained open for 5 years. In any case, I don't see a particular point in closing occasional borderline questions of people like Richard Stanley who have contributed a lot to this site -- if some people like them, why not just leave them open." CreationDate="2016-02-14T22:08:27.313" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12373" PostId="2740" Score="1" Text="@ScottMorrison there may very well be a fundamental difference in our perception for a good community. In mine established members would strive to  follow the standards more closely than it is expected from new ones to set a good example and not the opposite. This applies here and  everywhere." CreationDate="2016-02-14T22:16:02.270" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12374" PostId="2740" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl: Adhering to the rules is sometimes the hard thing to do, especially in a borderline case. (Not saying that this is the case here, btw.) One doesn't like to risk offending an important individual, and more generally one wishes to be nice to one's peers (or betters). That's all commendable, but only so long as it doesn't interfere with proper enforcement of the basic rules of this site. I see some people engaging in mental contortions in order to argue that the topic *is* in line with the MO philosophy, but I wonder if they'd also be sticking their necks out for user498487." CreationDate="2016-02-14T22:18:05.813" UserId="17907" />
  <row Id="12375" PostId="2740" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl Because quality chalk is directly relevant to my professional life as a mathematician. And this *quod licet jovi* attitude is part of the reason I'm not as active on MathOverflow as on SciComp." CreationDate="2016-02-14T22:18:17.247" UserId="30516" />
  <row Id="12376" PostId="2740" Score="18" Text="Honestly, I'm surprised there even is such a discussion -- some who's been around long enough to earn 20k reputation shouldn't be offended by a polite &quot;Sorry, as currently written, this question is off-topic here. Presumably you're asking here rather than on physics.SE because you want to know about some specific mathematical background. Would you mind editing your question to make this explicit?&quot; (Which, incidentally, is exactly what I would have written for a rep 1 user.)" CreationDate="2016-02-14T22:29:05.083" UserId="30516" />
  <row Id="12378" PostId="2740" Score="0" Text="@René: At least in my understanding, like in 'real life' also on MO there is a notable difference between a person of some standing who acts under their real name and an anonymous 'user498487'." CreationDate="2016-02-14T23:24:30.423" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12380" PostId="2740" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl: Certainly there's a difference, when the question is whether to give someone the benefit of the doubt or not. But in this case the rules are clearly violated, so there's no room for doubt. Whenever the rules point in a clear direction, they should be applied regardless of who is concerned in the matter. Or do you disagree about that?" CreationDate="2016-02-14T23:35:42.287" UserId="17907" />
  <row Id="12381" PostId="2740" Score="6" Text="@René: At the time of writing this, Richard Stanley's question has score +28. -- I am not convinced that this is in line with your assertion that &quot;the rules are clearly violated&quot; by his question, at least not unless you elaborate on why you think they would. Site rules are not set in stone, but always up to interpretation by the community." CreationDate="2016-02-14T23:47:00.480" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12386" PostId="2740" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl: Yes, but the mere fact that rules are subject to change over time doesn't mean that they aren't still rules. Like this one (from http://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic): &quot;MathOverflow's primary goal is for users to ask and answer research level math questions, the sorts of questions you come across when you're writing or reading articles or graduate level books. [...]&quot; I don't see why 30+ upvotes would invalidate this basic part of the MO mission statement. However, I will now withdraw from this discussion, as I don't think it'll result in any changes (unfortunately)." CreationDate="2016-02-15T06:00:14.460" UserId="17907" />
  <row Id="12389" PostId="2740" Score="14" Text="@StefanKohl As you may or may not be aware of, the question has reached the &quot;hot network questions&quot; list on Stack Exchange, which is displayed on *every* page on the entire network, incredibly boosting exposure and voting while usually being indicative of being of less interest from experts as documented e.g. [here on Physics Meta](http://meta.physics.stackexchange.com/questions/6303/the-secret-to-getting-a-massive-reputation-is), because a popular &quot;HNQ&quot; post is usually very low-level (the case at hand is no exception). Please don't confuse this with good reception from the community." CreationDate="2016-02-15T08:37:35.117" UserId="52890" />
  <row Id="12350" PostId="2741" Score="6" Text="It does not really ask what you say it asks. Would it be as specific as you describe it, it would already be better;" CreationDate="2016-02-14T14:08:29.383" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12353" PostId="2741" Score="9" Text="@quid Richard Stanley provided some parameters, and asked how the conclusions were reached.  I see no substantial difference between his question and my description." CreationDate="2016-02-14T15:01:41.160" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="12354" PostId="2741" Score="4" Text="Well, there is a difference nevertheless. The question as it stands asks, very succinctly, how certain &quot;*conclusions*&quot; were reached. No word about parameters, might I add. It also doesn't specify that the answer should be about the applied mathematics side of the matter, so it seems just as likely that the asker is interested in the physics, not the maths. Indeed, given the stipulation &quot;assuming no deep knowledge of GR&quot;, and given that the sole tag is general-relativity, I'd even say that that is more likely." CreationDate="2016-02-14T15:06:33.167" UserId="17907" />
  <row Id="12356" PostId="2741" Score="3" Text="@René I would fully support an edit to the question that emphasized more the applied mathematics aspects, so as to keep the discussion on-topic for this site. (Something like this suggestion also came up in private discussion between moderators.) Is that an edit you'd feel comfortable performing?" CreationDate="2016-02-14T15:11:48.907" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12357" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="Dear Todd: I'm afraid I wouldn't, because I don't want to interfere with the intent of the question. Also, I feel we should be discussing the merits of the question in the form in which it was asked, not in the form that might be given to it." CreationDate="2016-02-14T15:17:09.453" UserId="17907" />
  <row Id="12358" PostId="2741" Score="9" Text="@René I would prefer to give Richard Stanley the benefit of the doubt here, and assume that the word &quot;conclusions&quot; does not exist in a context-free vacuum, but instead refers specifically to the information given in the immediately preceding sentences of the question, e.g., the numerical parameters like the masses of the black holes. Similarly, long-time users of this site can be expected to know the rules, and we can safely assume that they are not asking for popular-science or introductory physics tutorials." CreationDate="2016-02-14T15:24:47.997" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="12359" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="@René That's fine. But whether an edit should be performed to a controversial question is something that regularly comes up in meta discussions, and I think it's fine to discuss it in this case." CreationDate="2016-02-14T15:30:36.783" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12360" PostId="2741" Score="2" Text="The difference in my mind is where the explication of the chain of reasoning/observations leading to the conclusion mentioned in the question should start. The question is unclear in that regard. For example, the question: &quot;Given some recorded waveform, how can we conclude [this] caused it rather than something else?&quot; is different from the question &quot;How can we record data that allows to conclude [this] happened?&quot; You seem to make a case for the former, but the  answer by user1504 who also defends the questions addresses the latter broader question." CreationDate="2016-02-14T16:41:22.653" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12361" PostId="2741" Score="11" Text="For instance &quot;These gravitational waves interact with the laser interferometer detectors by expanding and contracting their axes. You can measure the phase difference in the recombined lasers. Take data more or less continuously and get lucky, and you'll sometimes sample waveforms we think are particular to binary black hole mergers, given what we know about the evolution of star populations.&quot; This does not look like a discussion of applied mathematics to me, rather this looks like a moderately sophisticated popular-science description of a physics experiment." CreationDate="2016-02-14T16:44:57.523" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12362" PostId="2741" Score="1" Text="In that sense, yes, indeed the question does not live in  a context free vacuum. The way it is interpreted by those that answer it is already there. And what I see seems like  popular-science physics not 21st century numerical GR." CreationDate="2016-02-14T16:51:25.617" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12369" PostId="2741" Score="7" Text="&quot;the recorded waveform was probably matched to numerical simulation data, and bounds on errors were derived from known noise characteristics&quot;  I find this the perfect answer to the OP. But I would not think that it would be an appropriate answer on MO. I think similar about the original question: It's a good question to start a conversation but not for MO." CreationDate="2016-02-14T20:42:15.377" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="12377" PostId="2741" Score="11" Text="@S.Carnahan: As far as I can see, Richard Stanley was asking a physics question, pure and simple. I'm not going along with your argument that since R.S. must be aware of the rules, he can't be wilfully breaking them. By that logic, established users can *never* be in the wrong, which is precisely the kind of thinking some of us here are criticizing." CreationDate="2016-02-14T22:33:25.253" UserId="17907" />
  <row Id="12387" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="&quot;Finally, I think the observation of gravitational waves is an incredibly important scientific discovery, and this question in particular is an on-topic forum for illuminating intersections with research mathematics&quot;.... Do we need a special tag for things of this nature (although they are not frequent)?" CreationDate="2016-02-15T06:02:28.497" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="12392" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="@RajeshDachiraju no this would be a meta-tag." CreationDate="2016-02-15T11:57:02.753" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12393" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="How long is the benefit of the doubt maintained? I suppose long-time users of this site can be expected to know that questions perceived as unclear are to be clarified via an edit. Or, is this incorrect?" CreationDate="2016-02-15T18:38:20.923" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12394" PostId="2741" Score="4" Text="@quid I don't see any need for editing the question.  However, I do see a need for less legalistic gate-keeping of topics on MathOverflow.  Your supposition is quite loaded with an ambiguous passive voice, so I would call it &quot;poorly defined and unnecessarily aggressive&quot; rather than &quot;incorrect&quot;." CreationDate="2016-02-17T00:19:12.220" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="12396" PostId="2741" Score="2" Text="I find it in bad taste to focus on linguistic details in an asymmetric situation. I write in your (I think) not in my native language. The passive voice was used to stress that it could be done by somebody else, as opposed to insisting OP needs to do it themselves. In my perception this indirection is actually more polite. But the actual point of the comment was to make you maybe realize that your similar formulation is just counterfactual in general. There are numerous long-term users simply oblivious to rules, without ill will or it being a problem IMO..But let us not pretend otherwise." CreationDate="2016-02-17T00:59:57.343" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12397" PostId="2741" Score="1" Text="Actually you insisting on it being otherwise makes the situation more complicated, as it gives a gravity to the situation that is just not there. You block the easy out of compromise, and I really do not get why." CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:03:40.930" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12398" PostId="2741" Score="3" Text="@quid Indirection causes ambiguity by removing the intended subject, and often has passive-aggressive connotations.  Should Richard Stanley be the one who has to edit if quid is the one who perceives the question as unclear?  As long as we're are in an asymmetric situation, I would recommend against using the word &quot;rules&quot; in this context (yes, I know I started it) and replacing it with something like &quot;rough guidelines&quot; or &quot;community norms&quot; that conveys more flexibility.  That said, I don't know of any long-term users who interact with the site in a particularly norm-violating way." CreationDate="2016-02-17T02:43:03.080" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="12399" PostId="2741" Score="3" Text="By &quot;giving the benefit of doubt&quot;, I mean choosing good interpretations out of the set of reasonable ones and using those.  Based on various reactions, it seems that contrary to my initial expectation, people find that both your interpretation and my interpretation of the question are reasonable.  It happens that my interpretation is one that leads to good answers.  user1504's first answer before the later improvements was already mathematically substantial, and the paragraph you selectively quoted was physical context but not the core of the content." CreationDate="2016-02-17T03:27:33.490" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="12400" PostId="2741" Score="1" Text="I have no idea what the core of the content was, because as a non-physicist I couldn't make heads or tails out of the entire answer." CreationDate="2016-02-17T03:48:02.330" UserId="17907" />
  <row Id="12405" PostId="2741" Score="2" Text="&quot;Should Richard Stanley be the one who has to edit if quid is the one who perceives the question as unclear?&quot; With the level of sensitiveness you apply, and given the context, I'd say one could consider your formulation as a slight. But beyond this, while I would not say &quot;has to&quot; and it is not necessarily an edit, the simple answer is yes usually it would be the nice and professional thing to do for an author to be responsive to  reasonable inquiries and remarks on their posts. (Of course there can always be circumstances that prevent this in a specific case.)" CreationDate="2016-02-17T07:50:20.860" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12406" PostId="2741" Score="1" Text="You say &quot;choosing good interpretations out of the set of reasonable ones and using those.&quot; This is fine (though the plural is noteworthy and telling). But what is wrong with making those *interpretations* explicit and removing ambiguity? Really, this is all that is asked for. Or, to make the subject explicit: this is all I ask for (and I think I am not alone)." CreationDate="2016-02-17T07:56:13.683" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12407" PostId="2741" Score="2" Text="Sorry to come back, but I meant to reply to some specific points raised, yet was pressed when I initially replied: *On not following guidelines.* There is a long established guideline to use at least one top-level tag if at all possible. This is frequently not done,  also by long-term users. This is small thing for sure, but it *is* an example of long-term users not following guidelines, presumably for rather trivial reasons of not knowing about them or not recalling to apply them.  You might reply this does not qualify as &quot;particularly norm-violating way&quot; to which I would however reply" CreationDate="2016-02-17T11:55:08.760" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12417" PostId="2741" Score="2" Text="a question &quot;asking for popular-science or introductory physics tutorials&quot; (in the given context) would not be either. There is a history of users, including long-term users, asking something only vaguely related to the topic of the site, and this is not a big deal IMO. // (Added later) I removed the second half of the original comment, as it is tangential. Let me also add that on second reading I found your last comment more consensus oriented than I read it originally. (I still do not agree with your assessment of the original answer, but this is tangential too.) Maybe we can leave it there." CreationDate="2016-02-17T20:29:54.253" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12388" PostId="2743" Score="7" Text="What I find puzzling is precisely that there's no talk of salvaging the question (i.e., editing to make clear it's about the mathematical background) -- it's as if the post of a high rep user/eminent scientist (not clear what's the driving force here) is sacrosanct and may not be touched. This is contrary to what would happen to an unknown user (as in the question you refer to) and to the detriment of the site." CreationDate="2016-02-15T07:38:07.167" UserId="30516" />
  <row Id="12390" PostId="2743" Score="1" Text="It's true, almost no single question will be much of a problem; certainly the one in question is not. When there is a discussion and when there is just voting, is somewhat hard to predict. In this case a reason for me to enter a discussion was the first comment after closure: &quot;This strikes me as no more off topic than some random exercise in the theory of moduli stacks.&quot; This is very strange thing to say. On the last phrase, first, I think in practice there is a bit of privilege in fact, but second. as S. Carnahan said: &quot; long-time users of this site can be expected to know the rules[...]&quot;" CreationDate="2016-02-15T10:10:31.333" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12391" PostId="2743" Score="6" Text="Separately, then such discussions have a certain dynamic. I for one vehemently do not see this site as some in-club, and therefore speak against such tendencies when they arise. Some things said are in my opinion just appalling. (Those that say them are of course entitled to their opinion, and for some it is no news they have them and still we get along.) It starts to be off-topic, but what I see and read on this site over the years severely degraded my perception of the actual math-community. (To be clear, I am in every reasonable sense part of it. This is not an outsider remark.)" CreationDate="2016-02-15T10:16:25.747" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="21534" PostId="2744" Score="1" Text="@YCor Regarding your recent edit: The same suggestion was posted here (basically without any response): [The existing deprecated tags should be blacklisted](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3718)." CreationDate="2020-02-01T00:38:15.583" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21539" PostId="2744" Score="0" Text="Actually I meant burninate as well, which wasn't part of the linked question. Burninate and blacklist seem to be quite disjoint facts since one concerns the past and the other concerns the future. Taking care of posts with a single tag was obviously having in mind burnination." CreationDate="2020-02-01T06:31:49.100" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="12403" PostId="2746" Score="1" Text="An answer (http://mathoverflow.net/a/231246/) has been reinstated, and Remling claims the previous answer was wrong." CreationDate="2016-02-17T06:10:47.270" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="12404" PostId="2746" Score="3" Text="For the record: I am not sure about a standard policy, but  excepting unusual circumstances  including  noticeable spite or vandalism (inapplicable in this case), I can see little reason not to just accept the author's wishes regarding the status of their answer. There is a reason self-deletes do not even show up in the standard list of deleted posts." CreationDate="2016-02-17T07:28:55.673" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12409" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="@quid: my issue wasn't with the deletion of the answer, but the deletion of the question" CreationDate="2016-02-17T12:47:15.627" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="12410" PostId="2746" Score="1" Text="Sorry I misunderstood this, in part due to the preceding comment. For deletion of questions, I would say the same, except if it is unmotivated and/or deletes valuable answers in the process. This case is rare as the software is by now very rigid in this regard (this used to be more flexible). A delete of a question with answer is only possible if there is only one answer and this answer has no upvote (note it really no upvote, not positive score). This question however seems to have fallen in that segment, and I tend to support the undelete here. (But if in doubt I'd  respect OP's intent.)" CreationDate="2016-02-17T13:32:26.923" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12411" PostId="2746" Score="2" Text="Minor correction: &quot;if it deletes valuable answers and is not clearly motivated&quot; is closer to what I want to say." CreationDate="2016-02-17T13:40:31.630" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12412" PostId="2747" Score="0" Text="Do you get the blue box or did you add that to highlight the change? For me the situation is if I click once the formula moves (and only this), if I click it again the link works and briefly the formula jumps back. (Of course this is still puzzling.)" CreationDate="2016-02-17T14:36:00.793" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12413" PostId="2747" Score="1" Text="I get the blue box." CreationDate="2016-02-17T14:36:53.707" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="12416" PostId="2747" Score="1" Text="This may have something to do with the MathJax contextual menu. On typical desktop browsers, it is activated by right click on the formula, but e.g. on mobile devices, there is no way to distinguish left and right." CreationDate="2016-02-17T15:52:57.670" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12418" PostId="2747" Score="2" Text="The outline is caused by new behavior in MathJax 2.6 -- it adds equations to the tabindex for accessibility reasons. However, the glitch is independent of that (you can disable the tabindex behavior via the menu). You can also trigger it by right-clicking on the link's regular text and then reset the glitch by clicking elsewhere in the page. So it looks like a CSS quirk. Still, I've filed https://github.com/mathjax/MathJax/issues/1390 to take another look." CreationDate="2016-02-17T20:40:57.063" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="12419" PostId="2748" Score="6" Text="To make this explicit is a very good idea in my view. It seems to me it is what happened in practice not rarely anyway. To be open about it will resolve most of the problems I have with this type of question. In fact, as said, I found the specific question a positive example in this regard." CreationDate="2016-02-18T11:05:25.513" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12422" PostId="2749" Score="9" Text="I have been known to leave comments asking users to please curb their excessive minor edits, for the reasons you give. In fact I have done so now. I do encourage people to flag for moderator attention in such cases, if (or especially if) they don't want to leave such comments themselves. If the pattern continues, a private moderator message may go out." CreationDate="2016-02-18T20:04:45.193" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12423" PostId="2749" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble: good, thank you." CreationDate="2016-02-18T20:30:15.997" UserId="23141" />
  <row Id="12424" PostId="2749" Score="0" Text="Tangentially, one can see in the revision-history if an edit was a suggested edit. If it is is, it says &quot;edit approved&quot; (and not only &quot;edited&quot;) and a link to the review-card is provided. For an example see http://mathoverflow.net/posts/230666/revisions" CreationDate="2016-02-18T20:36:29.573" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12426" PostId="2749" Score="6" Text="Is it at all obvious for a new user that by editing their question they always bump it to the top and thus cause inconveniences for other people if they do it often?" CreationDate="2016-02-18T20:59:24.447" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12431" PostId="2749" Score="22" Text="I would be a little worried that any official obstacles we put up for self-editing would have the negative side-effect of curtailing edits that actually improve a question or answer. Those edits should be encouraged, as they improve the site.  Too often, for example, a suggestion is made in the comments for improving or clarifying a question, and the OP never edits." CreationDate="2016-02-18T23:05:54.550" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="12432" PostId="2749" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl I can imagine situations where somebody does not notice it bumps, but if one looks a bit at the site it should become clear quickly. The thing harder  to know is the &quot;thus cause inconveniences&quot;  as it is individual if (or at what level) one feels inconvenienced or irked by the bumps. // Generally, I feel too much editing is not among MO's pressing problems. Yes, some edits can be annoying, but overall I am with JDH the site would rather need more than less editing." CreationDate="2016-02-18T23:29:07.070" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12433" PostId="2749" Score="15" Text="Edits in which hypotheses or problem statements are repeatedly shifting and changing shape in response to comments are among the types of edits that I find annoying after a while. Questions should not be moving targets." CreationDate="2016-02-19T00:35:07.700" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12441" PostId="2749" Score="5" Text="I say: don't worry about edits within the first day or two, for an inexperienced user it could take that long to get the problem right.  (Also for some experienced users...)  Only start to get upset if the frequent edits seem to be only for the purpose of bumping the question." CreationDate="2016-02-20T14:31:35.323" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="12486" PostId="2749" Score="1" Text="If the only problem is the bumping-up which is connected with an edit - why not call the SE-developers for an additional button at the edit-box which can switch off that behave - perhaps with a default depending on size of the edit or the like and/or only accessible for the owner of an answer/question. A misbehave *after* we had such a button is then more easy to define and then to administrate." CreationDate="2016-02-25T12:14:06.180" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="12503" PostId="2749" Score="1" Text="@Gottfried, silent edits have been proposed, and rejected, and for good reasons. Look for previous discussions of the topic." CreationDate="2016-02-28T11:16:33.730" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12507" PostId="2749" Score="0" Text="@Gerry: thanks! Meanwhile I'd found that discussions myself - and again I feel very basical alienated by the arguments - but well, indeed such ideas of the ability to be selective has been discussed often and in length and broadth in various forums, so I think my basic behave with /expectations in software is far too unfamiliar with the trend - and I'm since usually stepping aside when I see that orchestra of opinions and interests. Thanks anyway for your reminding of earlier discussions here." CreationDate="2016-02-28T14:36:04.217" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="12425" PostId="2750" Score="4" Text="Okay, this sounds reasonable." CreationDate="2016-02-18T20:42:52.143" UserId="23141" />
  <row Id="12445" PostId="2750" Score="2" Text="An amusing thing to see upon coming back to this page after a while away:  &quot;an edit has been made to this post; click to load \\ Possible steps to take when there is the perception of excessive (minor) edits include: …&quot;.  (By the way, I very much appreciate your moderate attitude on the question.)" CreationDate="2016-02-20T23:28:45.670" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="12464" PostId="2750" Score="1" Text="But won't this discourage removing confusing typos? These seem to be quite common and the main source of repeated edits. In writing, especially with equations, a person often doesn't notice the outright errors until they leave and come back later, and read again what was written. (Habituation loop with the stimulus.)" CreationDate="2016-02-24T01:34:31.340" UserId="58777" />
  <row Id="12465" PostId="2750" Score="0" Text="@GuidoJorg what does &quot;this&quot; refer to precisely? Performing a relevant correction will hardly count as excessive. Besides, in context, my answer is rather in favor of edits. You may want to note me saying: &quot;Generally, I feel too much editing is not among MO's pressing problems.  Yes, some edits can be annoying, but overall I am with JDH the site would rather need more than less editing.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-02-24T07:31:26.990" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12427" PostId="2751" Score="5" Text="See [Minor edits subject to review](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/192/) and [Silent edits for MO](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/784/silent-edits-for-mo)" CreationDate="2016-02-18T21:21:55.720" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12428" PostId="2751" Score="5" Text="The comment was not a consequence of any misunderstanding. It was a consequence of the 27 edits." CreationDate="2016-02-18T22:35:01.327" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12429" PostId="2751" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson  But if my suggestion can be applied, several self edit would not appear at front page." CreationDate="2016-02-18T22:39:00.043" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="12435" PostId="2751" Score="2" Text="I like this suggestion." CreationDate="2016-02-19T01:34:55.580" UserId="23141" />
  <row Id="12436" PostId="2751" Score="4" Text="The idea of silent edits has been suggested, and rejected, before, and for good and sufficient reason. And I never offered any opinion as to how many, if any, of the 27 edits were unnecessary." CreationDate="2016-02-19T01:47:28.500" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12438" PostId="2751" Score="0" Text="@Gerry Myerson: Why 27 edits ? In the edit history only 14 versions are shown to me." CreationDate="2016-02-19T09:48:34.510" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="12439" PostId="2751" Score="3" Text="@Todd, I think you're looking at one page of edits – there are two pages." CreationDate="2016-02-19T11:32:11.367" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12448" PostId="2751" Score="3" Text="@Gerry Actually, I think the discrepancy comes from looking at different questions: The one linked in the question and the one linked in this answer." CreationDate="2016-02-21T10:31:41.353" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="12449" PostId="2751" Score="0" Text="@Todd See my comment to Gerry." CreationDate="2016-02-21T10:32:01.527" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="12456" PostId="2751" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson  So I apologize you if I misunderstood your comment on that post(about 27 edit)." CreationDate="2016-02-23T07:33:14.150" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="12457" PostId="2751" Score="0" Text="No worries, mate." CreationDate="2016-02-23T09:01:52.020" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12488" PostId="2751" Score="0" Text="@Tobias Kildetoft: Thanks for clarifying (actually I thought there might be different views for few rep and high rep users on the edit history)." CreationDate="2016-02-26T01:58:42.207" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="12506" PostId="2751" Score="2" Text="On your added: Why not use http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/55/formatting-sandbox (or the options proposed there)?  That being said, it would not be difficult to implement. Actually that it does not work is  what makes extra work  to implement I think. I even believe it used to be different.  And it is still possible to edit deleted answers (but this will bump). A reason why one might not want to allow editing deleted questions is *precisely*  the lack of visibility of what will be added. Once again, edits basically **must  be visible** to moderate against abuse." CreationDate="2016-02-28T12:46:46.383" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12521" PostId="2751" Score="1" Text="Up to 9 edits now." CreationDate="2016-02-29T11:28:40.570" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12522" PostId="2751" Score="0" Text="Frankly, the latest edit (revision 9) feels a bit pointless. Even though many (including me) agree that it is fine to edit,  maybe you could still try to cut down on completely superficial and marginal edits. Really it did not improve the post at all. In doubt I'd say it was better before." CreationDate="2016-02-29T12:08:13.423" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12523" PostId="2751" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson: I would say 8 edits, as the original is revision 1. (Sorry, I know it is a stupid nit-pick, but the context of minor edits somehow enticed me. :-) )" CreationDate="2016-02-29T12:13:52.263" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12528" PostId="2751" Score="0" Text="@quid    I hope that the original MO post, in particular its second question, which is the source of this meta conversation, would entice you, too. (and some other  researchers who are interested in this area). I hope the same about the linked MO question  http://mathoverflow.net/questions/232293/a-functor-on-the-category-of-rings-algebras-or-compact-hausdorff-topological-sp?lq=1" CreationDate="2016-02-29T13:30:51.750" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="12434" PostId="2752" Score="4" Text="I don't think it's always a question of competence in English." CreationDate="2016-02-19T00:36:01.403" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12437" PostId="2752" Score="5" Text="Of course not. In any case we do not need to worry too much about it." CreationDate="2016-02-19T02:23:05.760" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="12446" PostId="2752" Score="5" Text="Furthermore in several cases the self edits are at least initially due to individuals being unfamiliar with several of the mechanics of MathOverflow." CreationDate="2016-02-21T02:31:22.037" UserId="85402" />
  <row Id="12440" PostId="2753" Score="7" Text="&quot;[...]was only for an old version of MO.&quot; Yes, this got changed about two years ago. [See the MSE feature-request for reference.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/227290/stop-using-community-wiki-as-a-reputation-denial-mechanism)" CreationDate="2016-02-20T02:36:15.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12450" PostId="2754" Score="3" Text="It was discussed numerous times that it is a necessity (in a way) edits bump (to the top) to protect against malicious edits. If we'd give up on this, as this proposal does, there'd be plenty of options." CreationDate="2016-02-21T13:25:42.450" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12451" PostId="2754" Score="2" Text="@quid - I didn't know that the issue of edits was discussed in the past. Thank you for stating the point about countering the malicious edits by bumpind (I overlooked it). Thus so far it looks that the free environment for edits and bumping should stay intact, and that we should cheerfully put up with the so far only minor inconvenience of the occasional excessive edits." CreationDate="2016-02-21T21:21:28.053" UserId="8385" />
  <row Id="12452" PostId="2754" Score="1" Text="Yes, I agree with this basically. Some of the discussions are linked [in one of  my comments here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2749/how-to-discourage-excessive-self-edits/2754?noredirect=1#comment12427_2751) if you are interested." CreationDate="2016-02-21T21:30:27.477" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12460" PostId="2758" Score="1" Text="Your question has not been closed as &quot;off-topic&quot;, but as &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot;. -- This means that in order to get your question reopened, you need to make clear what *precisely* you would like to know. Typical questions may have the form &quot;Is it true that ...?&quot;, &quot;Where can I find a proof of ... ?&quot;, etc. -- but rather not something not very clear like &quot;I can't find closely related resources. Any help with that is appreciated.&quot;. Also, if a question is closed as &quot;unclear&quot; this often indicates that it is too long and / or hard to digest for a reader." CreationDate="2016-02-23T17:42:02.300" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12461" PostId="2758" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl My question is reference request and from my clarifications follows quite straight what structures I am interested in. Hence the question - does anyone know closely related source?" CreationDate="2016-02-23T17:52:29.090" UserId="86460" />
  <row Id="12462" PostId="2758" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Sorry, but without clarifications the question has little sence, because it is not connected with an existent precise topic, so it needs a research backround, and this is written in rules for asking such questions." CreationDate="2016-02-23T18:06:01.327" UserId="86460" />
  <row Id="12463" PostId="2758" Score="1" Text="The site MathOverflow is essentially for professionalized mathematics (i.e., research mathematics as practiced by professional mathematicians and mathematics PhD students), and as such it's difficult for me to see that your question is on-topic for this site. For example, parameters such as S and D do not appear to me to be precisely defined mathematical terms. But there were two votes to reopen (now aged away); perhaps those who voted that way could explain why they believe it's on-topic." CreationDate="2016-02-24T01:25:00.553" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12476" PostId="2758" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Dear Todd, I have never claimed that my question is very &quot;on-topic&quot; here. But let me ask you then: is topics such &quot;constructional crystallography&quot; (which is applied geometry) off topic? Is image analysis off-topic? I am not sure, so tell me please." CreationDate="2016-02-24T11:14:47.143" UserId="86460" />
  <row Id="12477" PostId="2758" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Also let us consider [this question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/215497/is-this-an-instance-of-any-existing-convex-pentagonal-tilings). No offence, but this is imho not even a question, neither is it research-level. What we have here: OP presents one of endless possible tilings, and asks an absurd question: does it exist? If you have this tiling, then it obviously exists. And this is happily upvoted and answered. Apart that it is linked to wikipedia, what makes it an intersting or important question? Sorry, I didn't want to be emotional, but I don't understand the logic." CreationDate="2016-02-24T11:14:59.160" UserId="86460" />
  <row Id="12479" PostId="2758" Score="0" Text="@MikhailV As for your first question: there is a button 'tags' which you can click. There is a tag for image processing which is a robust field of applied mathematics; on a quick glance the questions with that tag look fully on-topic, so have a look yourself. I don't know what is meant by &quot;constructional crystallography&quot;; could that be materials science of some sort? We don't seem to support it here as far as I can tell. Perhaps I didn't convey the message well, but I am trying to keep an open mind about your question; besides 'geometry' (a deprecated tag), what area is your question?" CreationDate="2016-02-24T11:50:32.733" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12480" PostId="2758" Score="0" Text="As for the question you linked to: the community judged it was on-topic, and I wouldn't gainsay that. It seems to be about the mathematical classification of tilings, where the terms used have precise mathematical meanings. I couldn't say exactly why others consider it interesting or important; I am vaguely aware that mathematical tilings are sometimes surprising (Marjorie Rice's discoveries, etc.) and there are unanswered questions out there. But to get back to your question: could you point me to a respectable applied mathematics paper where S and D are given precise meaning?" CreationDate="2016-02-24T12:00:52.380" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12481" PostId="2758" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Sorry that was my free interpretation of terms, to be more precise, it is &quot;geometrical crystallography&quot;, as opposed to conventional crystallography, this means it deals with construction of structures without considering real physical crystalls, but rather creating them in form of images. There are known succesful examples, but it is quite new direction and, afaik, not recognized as official scientific topic." CreationDate="2016-02-24T12:06:55.777" UserId="86460" />
  <row Id="12482" PostId="2758" Score="0" Text="About S and D, I thought it was clear from my questions that I am just give it a letter and association meaning, how I understand it - e.g. &quot;grade of order&quot; is an intuitive term, like entropy. And _that was my question_, if someone could link me to literature where similar terms appear, in regard to stable structures and their analysis. So how can I point you to it?  That is what I am searching for." CreationDate="2016-02-24T12:24:22.610" UserId="86460" />
  <row Id="12483" PostId="2758" Score="1" Text="I see; thanks very much for clarifying (and your patience)." CreationDate="2016-02-24T12:30:07.007" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12484" PostId="2758" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble Today I have luck - I have eventually found something which looks promising - [Turing patterns](http://hopf.chem.brandeis.edu/members_content/yanglingfa/pattern/Super/index.html) So, what I have is something between the &quot;spatial chaos&quot; and initial bulbs on a grid. I think now I could do some improvements to the question, but I don't know when I'll manage to do this. Can the question be somehow delayed for deletion?" CreationDate="2016-02-24T20:01:04.383" UserId="86460" />
  <row Id="13117" PostId="2758" Score="0" Text="On Feb 28, the question referred to has been auto-deleted." CreationDate="2016-05-16T20:32:24.453" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13118" PostId="2758" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Ehm.. I've left the idea to remake it for now, but I have a local copy, so I have no further proposals. But I still could not make up my mind which science area it belongs." CreationDate="2016-05-16T21:44:56.877" UserId="86460" />
  <row Id="12478" PostId="2759" Score="0" Text="Many thanks! I will use your advices." CreationDate="2016-02-24T11:41:03.383" UserId="86460" />
  <row Id="12485" PostId="2759" Score="0" Text="If you ask about the context - there is no specific context. These are purely geometrical things. Historically this developed from my interest on reading effectivity - then I started to develop alphabets which have maximal possible glyph distinctiveness and best possible white/black balance. And somehow it came to these structures." CreationDate="2016-02-24T22:01:20.973" UserId="86460" />
  <row Id="12466" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="Did you try to refresh the page?" CreationDate="2016-02-24T07:45:09.603" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12467" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="@quid : Have been doing that for the past half hour hoping that it is going through some extra period befor bounty being enabled." CreationDate="2016-02-24T07:46:14.557" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="12468" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="@quid : do you see the &quot;start bounty&quot; button on your end?" CreationDate="2016-02-24T07:46:54.947" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="12469" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="Yes, looks normal to me." CreationDate="2016-02-24T07:48:16.210" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12470" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="@quid : If I may dare ask, could you please offer a bounty of 50 points on this question, if you feel its a worth question?" CreationDate="2016-02-24T07:49:14.790" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="12471" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="I did not read the question, and thus have no opinion on it either way." CreationDate="2016-02-24T07:50:43.880" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12472" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="@quid : BTW, I have also wrote an answer for it, and feel its almost correct, could you take a look at it? Its not that complicated." CreationDate="2016-02-24T07:51:58.560" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="12473" PostId="2760" Score="1" Text="Sorry, I am not interested in this." CreationDate="2016-02-24T07:52:37.420" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12474" PostId="2760" Score="1" Text="Now I am able to get &quot;start bounty&quot;, but when I asked this question my rep was 91, and I needed minimum of 100 points to offer as I have my own answer written on that question." CreationDate="2016-02-24T08:50:58.130" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="12475" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="Ah, I did not think of that restriction. Maybe write it up as an answer." CreationDate="2016-02-24T11:11:54.910" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12487" PostId="2762" Score="35" Text="I think it is fine to ask about a specific point in a paper, preferably in a neutral way, aiming to understand what the authors had in mind.  For example, you could also outline the result you want to use, and ask how (or if) your potential counterexample affects that statement.  Given your thoughtful meta question, I'm sure you can write something tactful doing that." CreationDate="2016-02-25T17:30:27.600" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12489" PostId="2762" Score="13" Text="In my opinion it's, of course, appropriate to point out mistakes in papers. For, having strong proofs is what distinguishes mathematics from many other sciences. If you call attention to a mistake you also help other researchers not to build on a wrong result. Maybe you can send your counterexample as an erratum to the journal. If they take it under review, it's not unlikely that the referee will have a look at the original paper and will find out what the correct theorem should be there." CreationDate="2016-02-26T01:59:45.597" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="12490" PostId="2762" Score="5" Text="You could look at the following question for comparison: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/218270" CreationDate="2016-02-26T05:49:46.607" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="12515" PostId="2762" Score="1" Text="Thanks to all. I believe I will go ahead then, although I will first confirm the mistake and double check that I indeed contacted the authors about this particular issue." CreationDate="2016-02-28T20:11:29.500" UserId="1050" />
  <row Id="12499" PostId="2764" Score="9" Text="Note: &quot;an e-mail to the authors went unanswered.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-02-27T23:15:58.990" UserId="391" />
  <row Id="12491" PostId="2765" Score="0" Text="My opinion of this community at present is there would not be enough of a consensus to make such a contest meaninigful.  However, you can start your own &quot;Best Of&quot; list.  If several people do this, it would make sense to me to collate several of these lists.  Gerhard &quot;Linking To Them Also Works&quot; Paseman, 2016.02.26." CreationDate="2016-02-26T18:03:57.230" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12492" PostId="2765" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman Thank you for the suggestion but I'm afraid I am too disorganized to do that. Most likely I would abandon maintaining the list after a short while. Also, this would not capture competitiveness component. As for the consensus - I don't think it is really needed here. We have voting, right? Leaders could change, new nominees might outdo old ones, etc." CreationDate="2016-02-26T18:11:29.827" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12493" PostId="2765" Score="0" Text="We already have questions ranked by votes anyway.  &quot;Best of&quot; should capture some other aspect.  Why don't you make a list of MathOverflow question numbers and post that list here in a comment (assuming you have fewer than 50 questions to nominate)?  That way someone can adapt it for later use should my belief prove wrong and a meaningful contest indeed develops.  Gerhard &quot;Bulletin Board, Not Filing Cabinet&quot; Paseman, 2016.02.26." CreationDate="2016-02-26T18:18:49.403" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12494" PostId="2765" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman I can do that of course but this will be a personal list in any case, and that's the main point of my answer - to make it less personal and more community-shared. But to give an example - actually this answer of mine was inspired by re-reading the brilliant [answer](http://mathoverflow.net/a/196233/41291) by [Lubin](http://mathoverflow.net/users/11417/lubin) to the beautiful, important, enticing and reasonably simple question [&quot;Formal group law over $\mathbb F_p$&quot;](http://mathoverflow.net/q/195328/41291) by [Daniel Hoffmann](http://mathoverflow.net/users/66544/daniel-hoffmann)." CreationDate="2016-02-26T18:30:13.440" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12495" PostId="2765" Score="0" Text="While I was enjoying it once more, a thought occurred to me - would not it be great to be able to somehow express my admiration by nominating it as something really standing out here on MO?" CreationDate="2016-02-26T18:31:22.790" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12496" PostId="2765" Score="0" Text="One way to do that is to edit your MathOverflow user page.  There may be a way to place a lot of info (not just a link) on that page.  Mine contains a character count at least as large as a comment.  Gerhard &quot;And That's On Two Accounts&quot; Paseman, 2016.02.26." CreationDate="2016-02-26T18:38:02.533" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12497" PostId="2765" Score="0" Text="Also, the Best of MathOverflow thread should still be open.  Gerhard &quot;Sometimes Slow On The Uptake&quot; Paseman, 2016.02.26." CreationDate="2016-02-26T18:40:39.830" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12498" PostId="2765" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman Yes I know, but still I think both of these ways are different from what I have in mind here." CreationDate="2016-02-26T18:43:56.143" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13912" PostId="2766" Score="0" Text="I too have this feeling. As an aside, I also have this feeling for the nLab (which is much smaller scale), and I'd encourage you, if you should ever feel inclined, to contribute there as well." CreationDate="2017-01-22T04:28:23.043" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12500" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="Essentially all you ask for seems to be in place. Every post  has a revision history, recording essentially all its version. Comments are time-stamped  and thus can be matched to the then current version  of the post if needed." CreationDate="2016-02-28T01:26:24.880" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12501" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="@quid It seems to me that now one has to look for older versions of the question, there is no button near a comment or an answer showing the version of the question which they addressed. Also I do not see a one-click way to find original versions of the questions." CreationDate="2016-02-28T03:56:50.423" UserId="37822" />
  <row Id="12502" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="@MikhailOstrovskii  +1 for your answer." CreationDate="2016-02-28T10:34:04.540" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="12504" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="The link http://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/2767/revisions in the middle of your post does seem like a one-click way to see the original version of your question. If you really need a page where you only have the original version (or  there are already many version), then indeed it will take a second click. However, this seems a completely marginal difference to me. (I might be in favor of indicating more clearly that there exist earlier versions; yet access to them is not a problem  in my opinion; indeed making it too easy to land there might rather cause confusion.)" CreationDate="2016-02-28T12:33:06.367" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12505" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="To have a marker on a comment showing on which revision it was posted, might be convenient in corner case, but in almost all cases it will be clutter, and in the rare cases it is needed the information is there   Furthermore, if a comment does not make sense on the current version, chances are it is best simply deleted. (flag, obsolete)." CreationDate="2016-02-28T12:35:22.523" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12517" PostId="2770" Score="2" Text="It may make sense in the related column of which question you had that title; if not it will be hard to see if it can be reproduced." CreationDate="2016-02-29T10:14:11.197" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12518" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="I've seen this happen every now and then, too." CreationDate="2016-02-29T11:01:54.337" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12519" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="@quid You are right, I should add this, the question was http://mathoverflow.net/q/232311/41291. I visited it again now and the thing was gone; however when I reloaded the page it appeared again." CreationDate="2016-02-29T11:22:17.157" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12520" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="Added, mentioning that it is not always there" CreationDate="2016-02-29T11:25:38.093" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12524" PostId="2770" Score="1" Text="This is very likely caused by something intefering with the CSS of the output from the AssitiveMML extension (which embeds visually hidden MathML for assistive technology). You can disable the extension via the MathJax menu (under math settings =&gt; math renderer). If you run into this again, it would be helpful if you could use the FF or Chrome developer tools to see what CSS is interfering. (Unfortunately, I can't reproduce it myself.)" CreationDate="2016-02-29T12:44:49.687" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="12525" PostId="2770" Score="1" Text="@PeterKrautzberger Sorry I don't know enough to figure out myself. When I inspect it, the stray $k$ is inside something called `&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: MathJax_Math; font-style: italic;&quot; id=&quot;MathJax-Span-8&quot; class=&quot;mi&quot;&gt;k&lt;/span&gt;` which itself is inside `&lt;span id=&quot;MathJax-Span-7&quot; class=&quot;mrow&quot;&gt;` which is inside `&lt;span style=&quot;position: absolute;&quot;&gt;` which is inside `&lt;span style=&quot;display: inline-block; position: relative; width: 0em; height: 0px; font-size: 120%;&quot;&gt;` which is inside `&lt;span role=&quot;math&quot; id=&quot;MathJax-Span-6&quot; class=&quot;math&quot;&gt;` which also holds the correct piece (with correct $k$)" CreationDate="2016-02-29T13:12:27.747" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12526" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="What is involved seems to be called `inline:10` from `.MathJax span` but I have no idea how to get any further information" CreationDate="2016-02-29T13:14:29.467" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12529" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="Thanks for taking a look. What I'm looking for is information in the panel names &quot;styles&quot; on the right-hand-side here https://developer.chrome.com/devtools#dom-and-styles. For the element with `class=&quot;MJX_Assistive_MathML&quot;` I'm hoping to find out if those styles (a section with the name of the class) are being overruled, in particular heigh, width, clipping etc. They would be struck out in the list and some other section in that panel would indicate what stylesheet is overriding them." CreationDate="2016-02-29T13:46:28.440" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="12530" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="@PeterKrautzberger There are indeed several lines overruled under `&lt;span role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;MJX_Assistive_MathML&quot;&gt;`, of about 16 lines, 5 towards the end, 4 of those marked with &quot;Invalid property value&quot;, namely `-webkit-touch-callout: none;`, `-khtml-user-select: none;`, `-ms-user-select: none;` and `user-select: none;`. It is fourth in the list, the first being `element` with no entries, the second `.MathJax span` with some lines overruled too, the third `.MathJax *` with two of five lines also overruled and marked &quot;Invalid property value&quot;, then some other stuff... What must I seek?" CreationDate="2016-02-29T15:54:01.403" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12531" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="Thanks for digging deep! Maybe we should move this to chat (though my day is coming to an end). Could you share a screenshot perhaps? I know the style panels can be rather long and it's difficult to know what's important." CreationDate="2016-02-29T16:37:43.280" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="12532" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="@PeterKrautzberger  Sure. I've got a screenshot (although not everything fits in it obviously, and I also have to leave soon). If you tell me how to arrange for chat and/or how to send you the screenshot I'll do it. Or we can postpone this if you prefer. Email is also an option." CreationDate="2016-02-29T16:43:26.793" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12533" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="Email sounds good. Can you ping me at peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org?" CreationDate="2016-02-29T17:30:46.900" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="12534" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="@PeterKrautzberger Only saw this now, sorry. I've sent to the gmail account that I found on your page, now forwarded here too." CreationDate="2016-02-29T21:17:00.337" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12988" PostId="2770" Score="2" Text="Isn't this the same problem as [here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/23073/mathjax-broken-in-related-section) and [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/278752/titles-with-mathjax-break-in-the-related-questions)?" CreationDate="2016-04-25T07:32:00.480" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12989" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak yes yes exactly. Seems like this is some diehard bug" CreationDate="2016-04-25T07:48:55.040" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12991" PostId="2770" Score="2" Text="In fact, if you believe [this comment](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/278752/titles-with-mathjax-break-in-the-related-questions#comment902823_278752), the problem should be fixed soon: &quot;Thanks for reporting. Fix is already in repo waiting for build. Should be live in &lt; 24h.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-25T08:16:49.467" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13447" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak It has become **much** more rare but occasionally I still encounter it :(" CreationDate="2016-08-30T09:43:58.327" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12535" PostId="2772" Score="1" Text="Probably next would be discussion on http://meta.stackexchange.com/ ... assuming there is no thread on it already." CreationDate="2016-03-01T15:35:05.433" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="12537" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="It seems you missed in any case you do not acknowledge something did happen in the time since the polls. Namely what is proposed in the clearly top-voted answer was done; &quot;cite&quot; *now* has same visibility as &quot;share&quot; and gives a direct non-personalized URL. Anyway, even if you should think the change that did happen is not sufficient I think you ought to acknowledge the change and argue why it is not sufficient." CreationDate="2016-03-01T15:46:54.283" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12538" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="@quid: I fail to see how what was done has anything to do about the issue under discussion; recall that the top-voted answer talks about “making the nature of the link more transparent and/or providing direct-link without UserID in addition with the same visibility”.  With respect to the first point, nothing was done.  With respect to the second point, no direct link is provided in the citation, only a plain text URL that is not a hyperlink, again no changes relevant for the discussion." CreationDate="2016-03-01T15:58:57.753" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="12539" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar: I don't see why such a discussion would be relevant; MO and MSE are very different communities with very different goals, audiences, etc." CreationDate="2016-03-01T16:00:40.640" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="12540" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="re 'only a plain text URL that is not a hyperlink' Well if this distinction now is important, then let us observe that  there is no hyperlink under share but merely a plain text URL. Thus the entire thing seems to be moot from the very start on. ;-)" CreationDate="2016-03-01T16:12:07.413" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12541" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="@quid: Your claim is false: “share” *is* a hyperlink." CreationDate="2016-03-01T16:29:29.330" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="12542" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="I click &quot;share&quot; I get a window from which i can copy a plain text URL. I click &quot;cite&quot; I get a window from which I can copy a plain text URL. In that sense they are the same to me. Clicking it is the main use-case of &quot;share&quot; to me. Note that I said &quot;under share.&quot;  However I now see that there is some  distinction in that &quot;share&quot; can be used more directly as link too (via right-click, copy-link); sorry for the confusion, but it never even occurred to me to try that. I am not sure about the technicalities; maybe the same functionality  could be added for &quot;cite&quot; or this part of &quot;share&quot; disabled." CreationDate="2016-03-01T17:00:42.953" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12543" PostId="2772" Score="1" Text="On the general point, let me reiterate: in my mind there are now two options with basically equal visibility to get a direct URL one non-personalized; this addresses the .second part and as the main conjunction is &quot;or&quot;  the thing is done. If you think otherwise, that's fine, but I think you still should acknowledge/address the change and the fact that something was done related to this. Then you can say what you want in addition since again in my mind the thing did get addressed. (Tangentially what do you mean by MSE? I suspect the math site, but this is not what G.E. meant.)" CreationDate="2016-03-01T17:03:11.983" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12544" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="@quid: Once again you're confusing links and URLs.  My original question and the poll both talk about links, not URLs.  There is no direct link under “cite”, so your claims about the second part being fulfilled are simply not true.  Using an ultraverbalist interpretation of the particular formulation of a poll answer to claim that a minor tweak in the interface somehow addresses the deep underlying privacy issues, is, frankly, ridiculous.  I'm also getting really tired of discussing the nuances of your formulations of poll questions; it's irrelevant and we're not in a law school here." CreationDate="2016-03-01T17:29:07.153" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="12545" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="I told you that what now appears to be the problematic &quot;link&quot; for you  did never occur to me until an hour ago. Please read the start of the guide to the poll answer (with emphasis) &quot;The general context is as explained in OP the fact that the link created and displayed **when clicking &quot;share&quot;** below a post contains the UserID of the user (when the action is performed by a logged in user).&quot; Whether &quot;link&quot; is the right word, it seems clear to me what my intent was then, namely to talk about about what one gets when one **clicks** &quot;share&quot; and this is a window with a plain text URL to copy." CreationDate="2016-03-01T18:06:16.300" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12546" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="This is the description based on which the answers where phrased and voting happened. If this did not match your intent then I am sorry but you'd better have raised this then.  And, I'd  be actually sorry if there truly was a misunderstanding. But again *I* was always talking about the content of the window, and this is what is written as context for the poll." CreationDate="2016-03-01T18:10:14.880" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12547" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="Sorry for one more comment. I just browsed the older discussions again there are numerous instances (not just from me) where link and URL are used in a basically synoymous.  “It is possible to get the very same link without UserID with one additional click (&quot;share&quot;, then &quot;cite.&quot;)”: This is only true for questions, not answers. – Dmitri Pavlov Mar 10 '15 at 19:00&quot;  You quote me yet you did not object to my use of link for plain text URL or find the distinction important. I think it was quite clear the main issue is getting an URL to copy." CreationDate="2016-03-01T18:42:56.757" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12548" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="@quid: It is far more easier to copy a URL from “share” (a typical interaction involves right clicking and selecting “Copy Link Location”) than to copy a URL from the “cite” box (which requires a nontrivial amount of dexterity to select precisely the text of the URL, then copy it).  Most users use the former, and combined with the fact that most users (as witnessed by the poll) are not aware of the fact that “share” links are under surveillance, this creates a privacy problem.  It is in this sense that the distinction between “link” and “URL” is important: “link” is what people typically copy." CreationDate="2016-03-01T19:31:21.640" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="12549" PostId="2772" Score="3" Text="I assumed you wanted links of the form `http://mathoverflow.net/a/198099/402 ` changed by default to omit the user number.  I also assumed those links are used throughout the stackoverflow system, and such a change would have to come from them.  Was I wrong?" CreationDate="2016-03-01T19:33:16.330" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="12550" PostId="2772" Score="1" Text="I rather doubt that most users use 'right-click on share, copy location'  when they need the URL; for example note that *nobody* proposed this shortcut on http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1885/how-do-i-link-to-a-mo-answer it also did not come up in this debate until very recently. But rather click and copy. Anyway, this is perhaps besides the point. I might agree that copying the URL from the share window is still slightly simpler than from &quot;cite&quot; but then that URL is given no less than three(!) times under &quot;cite&quot; it is really not that hard." CreationDate="2016-03-01T20:05:46.780" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12551" PostId="2772" Score="1" Text="All that said I thought that change was sufficient; I even had entertained the idea to bring it up here. If you think otherwise, fine, just post a *specific* feature-request, preferably in line with the topvoted answer (that is both types of URLs are preserved; the removal of this type of URL did not find much support) and maybe acknowledge the change that happened since this debate (or don't), and see what happens." CreationDate="2016-03-01T20:08:33.827" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12552" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar: What you say is correct, but changes can be made individually for different sites, and the SE staff watches this meta, so I'm not sure there is any need to post on the main SE meta." CreationDate="2016-03-01T20:39:37.350" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="12553" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="If posting on the general meta, it could be relevant to keep in mind that &quot;cite&quot; exists only on a few sites." CreationDate="2016-03-01T22:16:42.830" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12556" PostId="2773" Score="2" Text="It would be acceptable, but at the same time I do not think it would be a usefull tag." CreationDate="2016-03-02T11:07:45.990" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12574" PostId="2773" Score="0" Text="If you have identified two different but related types of questions, why not propose two different tags, which would allow them to be distinguished?" CreationDate="2016-03-04T12:27:26.877" UserId="32198" />
  <row Id="12579" PostId="2773" Score="0" Text="@jwg I think for the perspective of one who is constructing an errata it would be better to identify the two questions by the same tag." CreationDate="2016-03-04T13:36:45.830" UserId="22389" />
  <row Id="12597" PostId="2773" Score="4" Text="Yes, this seems to be a great idea. Modern means allow this and - a dream - to construct a future database of errors. I had the chance to be trained with books with very very few errors and I can measure the value of such a database (be it in favour of the authors or not)." CreationDate="2016-03-06T10:23:59.493" UserId="25256" />
  <row Id="23883" PostId="2773" Score="0" Text="The tag ([tag:errata]) was created back in 2016, but then removed from all four questions. It was created again [in January 2020](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2020/1/31), since then it was used [on three questions](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2020/8/22)." CreationDate="2020-08-22T05:10:45.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12554" PostId="2774" Score="6" Text="I'm a bit unclear what you're asking. Are you asking how to measure certain things (e.g. how to confirm or debunk ideas about the effect of soft questions)? Or are you asking whether certain kind of raw data is (or could be) available to the general public? Or are you asking whether such measurements have been done (but kept quiet for some reason)?" CreationDate="2016-03-02T06:49:26.530" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="12555" PostId="2774" Score="1" Text="Moderators and 25k+ users have handy access to some data. (I do not know if 25k+ users have the same data or a subset.) Quite a few things can be obtained from the Data Explorer too.  For how many questions get asked [there is a dedicated question on that](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1182/number-of-questions-posed-per-day)  On MESE we sometimes have huge (in a relative sense) peeks of visitors (think at least an order of magnitude above the usual level). As far as I can tell &quot;with my bare eyes&quot; (I did not analyse this).I cannot make out any signfiicant sustained effect." CreationDate="2016-03-02T10:29:36.520" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12557" PostId="2774" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais : Of your three options, my answer to #2 is yes; my answer to #1 is yes but it's contingent on the raw data being available so it's a secondary question; my answer to #3 is no, that idea hadn't crossed my mind." CreationDate="2016-03-02T15:39:04.360" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="12559" PostId="2774" Score="2" Text="Another &quot;data thread&quot; is the ['Best of MO'](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/617/best-of-mathoverflow)." CreationDate="2016-03-02T16:06:12.053" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12560" PostId="2774" Score="0" Text="Regarding change over time, I collected some numbers and searches in this &quot;birthday&quot; post: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2486" CreationDate="2016-03-02T17:49:15.580" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="12603" PostId="2774" Score="0" Text="There are also some site analytics available to rep&gt;25k users (via `/site-analytics`). It is interesting enough for getting a rough idea of traffic volumes, patterns, and sources, but it's also relatively limited as a tool." CreationDate="2016-03-09T18:36:32.650" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="18660" PostId="2774" Score="0" Text="In addition to [site analytics](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics) mentioned in the previous comments, some statistics can be found also in the [list of all sites](https://stackexchange.com/sites?view=list#science-questions). (These are only very basic stats, but they are not restricted to 25k+.)" CreationDate="2019-03-28T07:18:01.440" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29448" PostId="2774" Score="0" Text="These posts suggest some statistics, too: [Development of the MathOverflow community](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/852) and [What statistics would be interesting for a usage report?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/903)" CreationDate="2024-01-06T12:28:03.450" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12562" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="Related http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2749/how-to-discourage-excessive-self-edits though that seems to have been inspired by a different poster." CreationDate="2016-03-03T06:16:39.047" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="12563" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="How is it not CW then?" CreationDate="2016-03-03T10:59:24.687" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="12566" PostId="2776" Score="7" Text="@DavidRoberts All forms of automatic CW-ification were removed from the system close to two years ago. See the announcing blog post: [Putting the Community back in Wiki](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2014/04/putting-the-community-back-in-wiki/)." CreationDate="2016-03-03T11:57:22.077" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="12567" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="@arthur well I'll be... I missed that one." CreationDate="2016-03-03T20:25:17.080" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="12593" PostId="2777" Score="3" Text="Congratulations! I think that this information should be added to the original MO question as well." CreationDate="2016-03-05T19:45:51.763" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="12568" PostId="2778" Score="6" Text="A lock is usually for pretty serious situations; I don't think this qualifies. I'll say a little more in an answer to come." CreationDate="2016-03-03T22:25:22.070" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12569" PostId="2778" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble Sure thing. I probably don't understand the mechanism of a lock then - I guess was thinking something like a protected question, except only mods/10k users could edit the question/add answers." CreationDate="2016-03-04T00:07:24.830" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="12578" PostId="2778" Score="1" Text="The mechanics of locks on posts, as almost all things SE, are explained in detail in a Meta Stack Exchange FAQ post [What is a locked post?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/22228/what-is-a-locked-post)" CreationDate="2016-03-04T12:44:05.173" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12595" PostId="2778" Score="0" Text="@quid - being a bit of a drive-by contributor these days, I don't tend to research the in-depth mechanisms of SE, but thanks for the pointer." CreationDate="2016-03-05T23:41:07.127" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="12596" PostId="2778" Score="1" Text="That's fine, but in this case it might make sense not to make proposals on what mechanism to use. &quot;Maybe a lock will be sufficient rather than closure?&quot; just does not  make sense when &quot;lock&quot; for a question post is strictly stronger than closure (which it is)." CreationDate="2016-03-06T02:32:32.887" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12588" PostId="2779" Score="1" Text="If you are interested in the very last activity and you have the question in front of you in the active list, click the timestamp next to the username displayed, it will take you to the latest activity" CreationDate="2016-03-05T16:36:54.947" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12589" PostId="2779" Score="0" Text="I cant see it quid" CreationDate="2016-03-05T16:42:14.183" UserId="47763" />
  <row Id="12590" PostId="2779" Score="1" Text="When you look here http://mathoverflow.net/?tab=active for example it will say thing like &quot;answered 35 minutes ago by user12345&quot; click the &quot;answered 35 minutes&quot; same for &quot;modified 2 hours ago by user21345&quot; You are taken to the last active post in the thread (except for corner cases, such as the last active post being deleted in the interim)." CreationDate="2016-03-05T17:14:31.913" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12591" PostId="2779" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much." CreationDate="2016-03-05T17:19:28.483" UserId="47763" />
  <row Id="12638" PostId="2782" Score="5" Text="The one notable &quot;loophole&quot; in these auto-deletion rules is that a single upvoted or accepted answer is enough to block all of them. In particular, on many sites (and I suspect MO is not an exception here), it's not uncommon for some bad questions to receive an answer that basically says &quot;*Your question is unclear / unanswerable / asking the wrong thing, because...*&quot;, and for such answers to gain an upvote or two for correctly diagnosing the problem. While it's tempting to reward such answers, it unfortunately also has the side effect of making the question stick around forever, even if closed." CreationDate="2016-03-15T08:41:40.763" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="18613" PostId="2782" Score="1" Text="Now questions get deleted just because the MO community does not upvote? This shows how much the MO and SE community disregards the research that goes into such questions. This is especially outrageous since the MO voting patterns have very little to do with the merits of the questions and answers themselves. Take, for example, this answer https://mathoverflow.net/a/320749/22277." CreationDate="2019-03-23T02:56:49.933" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="12575" PostId="2783" Score="0" Text="re manual deletion: we had a good routine of manual deletion on MO 1.0 (after some time of calibration it was in a state of causing  very little upset while removing almost all poor content after two-three days).  With the move this activity declined. I think on the one hand due to the change in interface and on the other hand due to the appearance of auto deletion (at least these were my reasons to be less active there)." CreationDate="2016-03-04T12:32:04.367" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12576" PostId="2783" Score="5" Text="By now unfortunately manual deletion is  &quot;completely broken&quot; that is there is virtually always just not enough critical mass to get something deleted no matter how bad. [My proposal to restart it](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2232/) was faced with skepticism  I believe mainly due to bad memories from the days before some consensus on what should be  deleted was reached. I accepted this skepticism and cast delete votes only in extreme cases, due to the broken nature of the process I usually need to supplement these with   flags or pokes to fellow users." CreationDate="2016-03-04T12:32:23.430" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12594" PostId="2783" Score="3" Text="@quid: Thanks for the link (which I was apparently slightly involved in). I recalled that MO is hesitant to enact manual deletions, which personally strikes me as a bit odd, if the level of questions on the site is to be maintained. If one wants &quot;oversight&quot; of the deletion process, largely leaving it up to a mindless algorithm would appear to be counterproductive. The last bit of my answer could be read in that light." CreationDate="2016-03-05T19:53:16.990" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="12570" PostId="2784" Score="1" Text="You certainly cannot ask a question whether you can ask a question. This is just cluttering the website." CreationDate="2016-03-04T10:05:29.240" UserId="1306" />
  <row Id="12571" PostId="2784" Score="1" Text="You can post your question on mathoverflow meta" CreationDate="2016-03-04T10:06:05.020" UserId="24078" />
  <row Id="12572" PostId="2784" Score="4" Text="Or you can just link to the question (why on earth didn't you?). Your description of the clientele of Math.SE as mostly &quot;learners&quot; is slightly strange to me; there are many teachers and research mathematicians there. What is far more likely in my opinion is that your question got lost amid the high volume and traffic (and wasn't fruit hanging low enough for anyone to give an immediate quick answer)." CreationDate="2016-03-04T11:43:42.937" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12577" PostId="2784" Score="1" Text="Is this the question? http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1680321/applying-fourier-cosine-transfer-method-with-this-neumann-boundary-condition-f" CreationDate="2016-03-04T12:37:16.137" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12580" PostId="2784" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble Yes exactly. This is my question" CreationDate="2016-03-04T15:17:49.607" UserId="88528" />
  <row Id="12584" PostId="2785" Score="2" Text="I agree &amp; am voting to reopen." CreationDate="2016-03-05T14:01:35.130" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="12592" PostId="2785" Score="0" Text="For the record: it is open again." CreationDate="2016-03-05T19:17:36.287" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12598" PostId="2785" Score="0" Text="Well, reading the link you gave me I see: &quot;Some examples of when a post might be locked include:&#xA;&#xA;A question or answer where repeated voting or editing is happening in a way which attempts to game, hack, or otherwise abuse the system.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-03-06T10:52:00.383" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="12599" PostId="2785" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts I do not understand the point you want to make. In my answer on the post I link to I propose locking as a measure against extremely excessive edits too. Here, I argue on the one hand against closure, as it does not even achieve the intended goal and. on the other hand against considering the recent edit(s) as excessive. The criticism related to your post is also not that you propose locking but the specific formulation of the phrase I quote, which I find incoherent or at least misleading, and as a matter of principle that you see fit to propose something you do not understand." CreationDate="2016-03-06T15:08:56.320" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12600" PostId="2785" Score="0" Text="Ah, it wasn't clear to me that you were disavowing a lock, just that you were arguing against closure. I took your comments in the spirit in which you say they were offered, namely that I didn't know what I was talking about, which turned out to be spot on. I'll bow out, since I'm not winning any friends by continuing in the line. Thanks for the clarification." CreationDate="2016-03-06T20:40:46.873" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27651" PostId="2785" Score="0" Text="For the record, the question was deleted by the user who posted it." CreationDate="2022-09-09T23:08:39.490" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12604" PostId="2787" Score="1" Text="Point 2. of the cons seems to be a very serious problem for any academic community. I am quite sure that implementing this feature request just for MO (not for the whole SE network!) is easy enough for the SE system developers to do. MO is not just another 08-15 site in the SE network but has a special agreement with the company. If the MO community feels indeed that this user-identifying mechanism is a problem, SE should therefore take this feature request very serious and timely and positively respond to it as needed." CreationDate="2016-03-10T09:25:57.293" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="12605" PostId="2787" Score="1" Text="Why do you address &quot;Stack Exchange Staff&quot; here in meta.mathoverflow ?  I agree that stackexchange as a whole is where this should be discussed." CreationDate="2016-03-10T15:02:15.260" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="12607" PostId="2787" Score="2" Text="I am astonished you  do you not at least include the result of the poll that was part of the discussion. A very clear majority of users is in favor of changes yet  **not removing the personalized link.** (36) The option you propose (removing it) with 10 is even less popular than not doing anything at all (16). While I believe that such things should not simply be decided by vote as the situation is not symmetric, I believe there are solutions that address the concerns while preserving the personalized link and I do see no justification to simply ignore the expressed majority opinion." CreationDate="2016-03-10T19:18:19.800" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12608" PostId="2787" Score="0" Text="@Dilaton  There was a poll and  this proposal (removing personalize link) was a  distant third in the poll (see comment above for details). The favored solution of this community in its majority is one of compromise and more transperancy yet not outright removal." CreationDate="2016-03-10T19:25:30.493" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12613" PostId="2787" Score="4" Text="@GeraldEdgar, because this is an appropriate mechanism for making requests for changes to the software." CreationDate="2016-03-10T22:53:37.447" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="12614" PostId="2787" Score="4" Text="@quid, I didn't repeat the poll votes tallies because I considered the poll rather overcomplicated and confusing, and unlikely to lead to useful concrete action. Interested parties may review that thread. As far as I can tell, no one has actually expressed any reason for objecting to removing the user id, and all the other proposed solutions are complicated and unlikely to be implemented." CreationDate="2016-03-10T22:57:49.833" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="12617" PostId="2787" Score="0" Text="To be clear, do you propose this for all sites or only MO? If only MO, the mere fact that then MO will differ is a reason against it. This could actually bite somebody. Namely a user that is mainly an MO user and then wrongly assumes the behavior of math.se will be the same and then say link to a math.se answer in their referee report (to stay in that scenario). I really hope SE will not give up unifomity here. I doubt they will scrap the id throughout. By contrast, making it transparent seems conceivable even throughout." CreationDate="2016-03-10T23:15:11.140" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12618" PostId="2787" Score="4" Text="I was proposing this only for MathOverflow (I think this is already clearly stated above). I'm not concerned about any of the other Stack Exchange sites, or the impact of changes here on them." CreationDate="2016-03-10T23:21:16.663" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="12619" PostId="2787" Score="0" Text="I specifically talked about the *impact on MO user* when they occasionally use other sites. I am extremely disappointed how this is approached." CreationDate="2016-03-10T23:28:23.263" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12620" PostId="2787" Score="0" Text="One more point then I leave this discussion for the time being: &quot;Personally, I couldn't care less about the Announcer badge (and I think the other moderators, and much of the community, agree).&quot; There is no need for speculation as this [was discussed](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1253/) The situation is a lot less clear than you describe it (though personally I expressed my opinion rather against those badges there)." CreationDate="2016-03-10T23:49:10.063" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12609" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="This matches roughly the clear winner of the poll we had months ago. Personally, I thought the &quot;cite&quot; button is sufficient, but one certainly could go a step further if needed." CreationDate="2016-03-10T19:28:19.853" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12615" PostId="2788" Score="6" Text="I'm not sure why we want to raise levels of awareness about a problem that could easily be made to simply go away. &quot;Raising levels of awareness&quot; is a rather difficult process, to put it mildly. People don't read stuff, and more importantly, they shouldn't be made to read stuff unnecessarily." CreationDate="2016-03-10T23:00:30.317" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="12610" PostId="2790" Score="2" Text="For additional background, see also [Jon Ericson's Meta Stack Exchange post announcing this badge group](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/234259)." CreationDate="2016-03-10T21:51:03.867" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="12612" PostId="2790" Score="0" Text="Strange. Thanks for the info. It seems it was originally intended like this, then scrapped but now it is still like this. Not sure what to make of it. // Nobody can suggest edits on my posts here. ;D [The stress must be on &quot;here&quot; of course as it is a per-site meta.]" CreationDate="2016-03-10T22:28:48.170" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12623" PostId="2791" Score="0" Text="I see room for improvement. Probably there is no way to achieve a separation between the number-theoretic notion and the order-theoretic notion, since both are concerned with &quot;lattices&quot;, and so there will always be new questions posted using that tag with different senses. When I study what I call lattices, it is almost never with the number-theoretic sense. I don't take myself to be doing &quot;lattice-theory&quot;, but rather just studying lattices. Since I expect most other researchers feel similarly, the tag will inevitably have questions mixing the senses of different kinds of lattices." CreationDate="2016-03-13T02:10:52.760" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="12625" PostId="2791" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins thank you for the input. We managed to do it for &quot;divisors&quot;, &quot;sequences&quot; and some similar cases. I do not see why we should not be able to do it for &quot;lattices.&quot; (It seems for once I am the optimist among us two. :-) ) Part of the solution there was to combine the term  with some related notion that sets the context: in sequences-and-series it seems clearer what sequence is supposed to mean, likewise in divisors-and-multiples. Would there be such a notion for  lattices in the order context, say some dual or more general notion?" CreationDate="2016-03-13T12:02:05.610" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12626" PostId="2791" Score="5" Text="On math.SE there are currently three big &quot;lattice&quot; tags, [lattice-orders], [integer-lattices] and [vector-lattices]." CreationDate="2016-03-13T18:12:20.317" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12627" PostId="2791" Score="3" Text="@Asaf thanks for this useful information. I just note there is also [lattices-in-lie-groups], which I find a very good tag-name for the . &quot;discrete subgroups of Lie groups.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-03-13T18:22:25.750" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12628" PostId="2791" Score="0" Text="Well yeah, but that tag is quite small so I didn't think to mention it here." CreationDate="2016-03-13T18:25:35.550" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12629" PostId="2791" Score="2" Text="To those with 10k on MSE, [this link is of interest](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/1363/tag-merging-and-synonyms/3187#3187)." CreationDate="2016-03-13T18:27:41.080" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12639" PostId="2791" Score="3" Text="Since @Asaf's link it may be of interest also to those who *don't* have 10k on MSE, let me post a [screenshot](http://i.stack.imgur.com/D1m7f.png). I don't believe there's anything there that should not be publicly disclosed; the post was apparently deleted just &quot;to de-clutter&quot; the thread." CreationDate="2016-03-15T09:50:11.070" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="12655" PostId="2791" Score="0" Text="Now that Stack Exchange has [tag warnings](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/21873/do-we-want-tag-warnings-and-for-which-tags), I think that we should use them for deprecated tags." CreationDate="2016-03-18T13:59:58.707" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="12656" PostId="2791" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni this is an interesting idea. You might want to raise it separately." CreationDate="2016-03-18T14:09:13.273" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="26495" PostId="2791" Score="0" Text="Would people interested in order-theoretic lattices be ok with a tag [lattices-and-posets]? I think that [euclidean-lattices] and [lattices-in-lie-groups] are very good options for the other three meanings. If tag warnings work well, flagging [lattices] and adopting the three separate tags could be a good solution." CreationDate="2021-10-19T13:08:15.447" UserId="13119" />
  <row Id="12636" PostId="2792" Score="3" Text="I am having trouble parsing the question.  I don't know if the material is advanced enough, but I think the wording should be improved. Also, the question &quot;Is there a connection between A) (some stuff) and B) (some other stuff)?&quot;, while easier to parse, is too broad.  Consider proposing a kind of connection, or indicate what a specific answer might look like.  For example, asking if every method of solving A) has a clear analogue which solves B) is specific enough that it might be good for MathOverflow.  Gerhard &quot;Connections Are Made For Breaking&quot; Paseman, 2016.03.13." CreationDate="2016-03-13T20:58:06.480" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12630" PostId="2793" Score="26" Text="My two cents: this is waaaaay too discussion-y. I think it would be great for a chat room discussion if people are interested in this, but the answers are just tissues of opinion and speculation and prognostication. (Don't get me wrong; I think it's a very interesting question, and I have opinions of my own. But to me it has all the appearance of idle conversation at a bar, or between bright math majors in a dorm room. Not a good use of MO, but people have other ideas apparently.)" CreationDate="2016-03-13T18:45:29.777" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12633" PostId="2793" Score="1" Text="I'm afraid I think these discussions don't seem to help much -- people end up having strong opinions one way or the other, and I'm not sure anyone changes anyone else's opinion.  Why not just let people vote as they see fit?  I think too that the question has just attracted a bunch of opinions, and I don't know what real answer is possible.  But if enough people want it open, so be it." CreationDate="2016-03-13T19:41:52.977" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12634" PostId="2793" Score="2" Text="@Lucia the first point of this thread, and in this case my main motivation, is that *if* discussion should happen it can happen here rather than in the comments on the main post. Second, voting to open and close is not really intended as a majority vote; really it is a misnomer this is even called a &quot;vote.&quot; Third, it did happen not rarely that users actually changed their mind, or if not at least found a compromise or understood each others opinion better after such a discussion. There are plenty of once controversial subjects that by now are simply resolved due to such discussion." CreationDate="2016-03-13T20:02:04.233" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12635" PostId="2793" Score="1" Text="Indeed, in more recent times we have the problem that there are some users that have moderation privileges but seem unaware of what is or at least once was  considered standard etiquette related to the usage of these tools. Such as, as a rule votes to close are accompanied by an explanatory comment (if there is none already, and excepting egregious cases maybe) @Lucia" CreationDate="2016-03-13T20:05:47.077" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12637" PostId="2793" Score="0" Text="What @ToddTrimble said. I didn't vote to close, but I'm not voting to re-open" CreationDate="2016-03-14T01:03:38.473" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="12640" PostId="2793" Score="0" Text="Maybe a lot of people can discuss the issue but there are a few people some even MO-participants who can give good research-level scholarly answers based on experience in using computers for mathematics." CreationDate="2016-03-15T13:40:25.770" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="12641" PostId="2793" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai I'm in the middle of writing an opposite opinion, but there may be a chance of salvaging the question if it were more restricted in scope. I don't think anyone can really honestly, in a scholarly way, render expert opinion on the question of *fundamental reasons*." CreationDate="2016-03-15T13:45:49.380" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12658" PostId="2793" Score="0" Text="you mean re-reopened?" CreationDate="2016-03-18T16:30:40.403" UserId="39865" />
  <row Id="12659" PostId="2793" Score="1" Text="@tox123 I suppose one could express it like this." CreationDate="2016-03-18T16:32:54.523" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12650" PostId="2795" Score="0" Text="I appreciate the thoughts and suggestions. I might add that some of the remarks in Sprott (http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pubs/paper304.pdf) about a discrete-time Euler approximation to a DDE have also got me thinking. However, I will refrain from saying more in this comment, as this is Meta, not main." CreationDate="2016-03-16T18:56:21.817" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="12642" PostId="2796" Score="5" Text="In other words, the question itself is $\Sigma^0_1$ but not $\Delta^0_1$. Namely, if there is a positive answer, then at some point we will find it. But at no given time we are able to conclude a negative answer." CreationDate="2016-03-15T14:38:49.263" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12643" PostId="2796" Score="2" Text="Dear Todd, I agree that the question is hard to answer (but I like your own take on the matter ( in parenthesis ) ; I just not see why it couldn't be an answer on MO main rather than MO meta). But it is a very important question about mathematics, and quite a few people in the MO community worked on it. For example, Alexandre Eremenko, raised the interesting analogy with machine translation. The question of machine translation is  certainly an important question about linguistics, and I'd expect there are quite a few MO linguistic questions devoted to it." CreationDate="2016-03-15T14:38:56.313" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="12644" PostId="2796" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila I think that's actually very well put -- thanks!" CreationDate="2016-03-15T14:47:12.267" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12645" PostId="2796" Score="2" Text="Todd, this is what happens when you're TA'ing a logic course about the incompleteness theorem and just happen to be in the midst of all the arithmetic hierarchy and $\Sigma^0_1$ predicates! :)" CreationDate="2016-03-15T14:50:52.533" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12646" PostId="2796" Score="1" Text="@GilKalai As I have said, I agree that it's a very interesting question (and well worth considering), but I hope we can reach consensus that the question could be improved so that future answers could carry more substance and authority than the current ones do. (They are not bad per se; they just gaze into the future too much.) For example, Douglas Zare wrote a good meaty comment which looks like a potentially fine answer if the question were rewritten a bit. And thanks for your kind words, although my parenthetical comments are more opinionizing which I don't particularly promote here." CreationDate="2016-03-15T14:56:02.457" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12647" PostId="2796" Score="0" Text="http://www.ams.org/notices/200210/comm-morin.pdf" CreationDate="2016-03-16T18:33:36.123" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="12648" PostId="2796" Score="4" Text="@SteveHuntsman That type of example is part of the reason why I included the word 'kinesthetic'. Bill Thurston also remarked once on the example of Morin and sphere eversion (More Mathematical People, pp. 337-338): &quot;It's something most people have a great deal of trouble visualizing. In fact, I think that vision is somehow distracting to the spatial sense, because we have a spatial sense that is more than just vision. People associate it with vision, but it's not the same. If I close my eyes and imagine what this room is like, I will have a sense in my mind that there's a table here (cont.)" CreationDate="2016-03-16T18:44:39.417" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12649" PostId="2796" Score="4" Text="and something here and there. It will be a sense of the room that doesn't have much to do with perspective. It's hard -- that is, it takes a lot of training -- to go from a spatial image to a picture on paper. So these things are not necessarily stored in our minds in a visual sort of way. We translate what we see into a sense of space. If you think of it, you realize that if you imagine a table with four chairs around it, it doesn't matter whether you can see the seats of the chairs. You just know that they are there. It's kinesthetic as well as visual.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-03-16T18:47:41.510" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12651" PostId="2797" Score="4" Text="What is the point of this posting? (To be clear, this is meant as an honest question. It is just not clear to me if you intend this purely informational, want to start an exchange on the subject, want further information on the subject, want some action to be taken, etc)" CreationDate="2016-03-18T11:40:11.660" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12652" PostId="2797" Score="27" Text="@quid Purely informational." CreationDate="2016-03-18T11:41:53.783" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="12653" PostId="2797" Score="0" Text="According to the [help center](http://mathoverflow.net/help/whats-meta), &quot;Meta is for...&#xA;&#xA;    ...MathOverflow users to communicate with each other about MathOverflow (asking questions about how the websites work, or about policies and community decisions)&#xA;    ...MathOverflow users to communicate with Stack Overflow the company (posting bugs, suggesting improvements, or proposing new features), and&#xA;    ...Stack Overflow the company to communicate with the community (soliciting feedback on new ideas or features, or discussing policies that affect the whole network)&quot;" CreationDate="2016-03-18T13:18:37.460" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="12654" PostId="2797" Score="4" Text="Perhaps this post would be more appropriate at http://tea.mathoverflow.net/ ?" CreationDate="2016-03-18T13:19:36.170" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="12662" PostId="2797" Score="6" Text="@JoelReyesNoche I feel posting something on &quot;tea&quot; does not make all that much sense these days. If anything I'd recommend to mention it in a chat room (though the general MO chat is not really active either)." CreationDate="2016-03-18T20:44:48.823" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12663" PostId="2797" Score="8" Text="@JoelReyesNoche &quot;MathOverflow users to communicate with each other about MathOverflow&quot; are the users of MathOverflow not pertinent to MathOverflow?" CreationDate="2016-03-18T21:07:42.420" UserId="39865" />
  <row Id="12664" PostId="2797" Score="42" Text="I think we should not worry so much about what exactly is allowed or not allowed, if many mathematicians find the discussion/question interesting and on topic.  That is, I'd go for a &quot;descriptivist&quot; rather than a &quot;prescriptivist&quot; theory of MO, or meta questions." CreationDate="2016-03-18T22:41:49.283" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12665" PostId="2797" Score="2" Text="@Lucia there is a problem with this though, users that get their questions closed while similar ones stay open tend not to be happy with such a model of explanation. (That said, I see no particular reason to be overly strict regarding usage of meta, especially as long as the volume is as low as it is.)" CreationDate="2016-03-18T23:03:31.803" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12666" PostId="2797" Score="14" Text="Jeremy, is there a movement under way to help?" CreationDate="2016-03-19T01:01:48.710" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12667" PostId="2797" Score="7" Text="@Todd I have no personal connection to the case: I read about it, thought I recognized the name and found his MO user page when I Googled. But there is a petition from the Turkish Mathematical Society (in Turkish and English) on their website http://tmd.org.tr/kivanc-ersoy-tutuklandi/, with an email address to send signatures." CreationDate="2016-03-19T10:05:35.133" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="12668" PostId="2797" Score="0" Text="@JeremyRickard what should be the format and content of this email for it to be a valid signature? Should it just contain a freely formulated supportive sentence and the professional address and location?" CreationDate="2016-03-19T10:46:04.587" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="12669" PostId="2797" Score="5" Text="@Dilaton: There is also a [petition for Kıvanç Ersoy on change.org](https://www.change.org/p/he-mr-selim-yenel-ambassador-of-turkey-to-eu-letter-to-he-selim-yenel-ambassador-of-turkey-to-eu) where it is more obvious how to sign (and a considerable number of colleagues have already done so)." CreationDate="2016-03-19T10:59:32.910" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12670" PostId="2797" Score="1" Text="@Dilaton I'm afraid I know no more than you. But it looks to me as though they're collecting names supporting their own statement rather than individual statements from signatories. At the bottom of the page I linked to there's a link &quot;Duyuruyu indir&quot; (last updated yesterday) with the petition in Turkish followed by a list containing just names and affiliations of signatories." CreationDate="2016-03-19T11:05:46.567" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="12671" PostId="2797" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl and Jeremy, thank you. I am a tireless signer of petitions and change.org is certainly known to me. I have also written a Turkish academic involved in Academics for Peace who lives in the US to see whether she has some more advice." CreationDate="2016-03-19T11:14:20.333" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12672" PostId="2797" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl The change.org petition seems intended to gather support and comments from people who know him personally." CreationDate="2016-03-19T11:17:45.457" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="12673" PostId="2797" Score="5" Text="Jeremy, the change.org petition does welcome such comments, but my own feeling is that every little bit helps and it's fine just to sign anyway. I have done so (with a comment, even though I can't say I know Dr. Ersoy) and also sent an email to the address provided at the link you gave." CreationDate="2016-03-19T12:34:36.507" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12674" PostId="2797" Score="2" Text="@Todd My slight concern was that a petition wholly or predominantly by people who actually know him might be harder to dismiss as &quot;just meddling foreigners who don't understand the situation or the dangerous people we're trying to save the country from&quot;." CreationDate="2016-03-19T15:18:26.657" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="12675" PostId="2797" Score="0" Text="It's a bit bizarre, 3 academics (and a British national) were arrested, but MathOverflow only seems to care about the mathematician? Excuse me if I read the comments incorrectly." CreationDate="2016-03-20T01:36:35.030" UserId="84499" />
  <row Id="12676" PostId="2797" Score="9" Text="@post.as.a.guest If not read incorrectly, then certainly interpreted incorrectly. Does the fact that a user of MathOverflow posts, on a site devoted to the workings of MathOverflow, about the plight of another user of MathOverflow really make you think that they don't care about the similar plights of other people? I'd take the opposite inference. If there were an isomorphic thread on PsychologyOverflow meta about the psychologist, by PO users I didn't otherwise know, then I think that would, if anything, increase my estimate of how likely they were to care about the mathematician." CreationDate="2016-03-20T10:28:27.363" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="12678" PostId="2797" Score="1" Text="That this is not quite the place to provide this information is implied also by the fact that upvoting looks weird in this case. Also, links to all existing petitions be better placed in an answer. @Dilaton, could you please do it? This way they would be better noticeable I think," CreationDate="2016-03-21T04:34:06.737" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12679" PostId="2797" Score="0" Text="@მამუკა ჯიბლაძე I second your suggestion about creating an answer for  the purposes of concluding this posting." CreationDate="2016-03-21T06:19:06.597" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="12680" PostId="2797" Score="4" Text="By contrast I find it strange to &quot;conclud[e] this posting&quot; by pointing to petitions. The actual situation is in no way resolved by this, and to pretend otherwise is not appropriate in my opinion.  The information on petitions could just as well be edited into the main post, or at least the answer should not be accepted." CreationDate="2016-03-21T10:40:12.957" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12681" PostId="2797" Score="0" Text="@quid On reflection I agree with you. I've deleted the answer and edited the information into the main post." CreationDate="2016-03-21T10:47:20.943" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="12682" PostId="2797" Score="0" Text="Thank you for following up on this so quickly!" CreationDate="2016-03-21T10:48:08.930" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12750" PostId="2797" Score="4" Text="Thanks for posting this. I've added my name to the two petitions, and here's hoping there is a swift and happy end to this." CreationDate="2016-03-27T20:04:38.767" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="12834" PostId="2797" Score="4" Text="I'm calling for an end to this discussion, which is increasingly opinion-based. People have some bare facts that they can investigate and act on to their hearts' content, but MO (or MO meta) is really not a place for a political discussion." CreationDate="2016-04-02T04:25:07.140" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12974" PostId="2797" Score="5" Text="According to a message passed on by Giovanni Falcone (from the change.org petition), Kıvanç Ersoy was released. No mention of the other two." CreationDate="2016-04-22T21:27:26.510" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12981" PostId="2797" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek Thanks. News reports say that the others have been released as well. It seems that they are still going to be prosecuted, albeit on lesser charges." CreationDate="2016-04-23T12:56:59.300" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="12657" PostId="2798" Score="1" Text="I am not certain how this works. But I believe we need to come up right away with *specific* proposals that are then implemented. (As opposed to something being &quot;switched on&quot; abstractly first  and us  then turning to details) We could collect the proposals in this thread, as done in the linked to post." CreationDate="2016-03-18T16:20:03.087" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12660" PostId="2798" Score="0" Text="@quid That makes sense, after seeing the pages on the other metas, but the workflow is not clear at all to me. Do the proposals here get automagically picked up by a Stack Exchange employee? Do they have to get a number of upvotes, or approval from a moderator? Why isn't there a UI to edit tag warnings collectively like there is one for tag excerpts, which would be much simpler? I'd appreciate some clarifications from the SE staff, if someone comes around (and I believe they watch tag:feature-request questions here)." CreationDate="2016-03-18T16:41:38.257" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="12661" PostId="2798" Score="0" Text="It is my understanding that this is an experimental feature. It is somewhat invasive too, so I would not make it too simple. But, yes, it could be a per-site moderator thing to manage this (but I don't think it is as of yet). Technically, it seems some SE staff will have to do this &quot;by hand&quot; (like it is for delete or blacklist tags)" CreationDate="2016-03-18T17:48:57.360" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12677" PostId="2798" Score="2" Text="I don't have data on this, but I think tags like &quot;logic&quot; and &quot;proof-theory&quot; are sometimes mistakenly used when the questioner is looking for a proof of some statement. Thus they could deserve a tag warning. (These questions are often at too low a level for MO anyways, but the warning still seems useful...)" CreationDate="2016-03-21T00:09:50.463" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="12683" PostId="2802" Score="0" Text="It occurs to me that maybe I should have posted the original question on meta. :)" CreationDate="2016-03-21T13:27:12.533" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="12684" PostId="2802" Score="6" Text="I find it unfortunate that there are four votes to close (with the most generic reason of all), yet not a single comment to explain the issue these users have." CreationDate="2016-03-21T14:24:25.487" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12685" PostId="2802" Score="0" Text="&quot;It occurs to me that maybe I should have posted the original question on meta. :)&quot; If I'd seen the  question on meta I'd vote to close it and recommended to ask it on main, where it may or may not be on-topic." CreationDate="2016-03-21T14:26:53.437" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12689" PostId="2802" Score="1" Text="@quid possibly Jon was thinking of a meta post to vet the question, rather than to ask it here." CreationDate="2016-03-22T01:29:46.997" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="12694" PostId="2802" Score="0" Text="@David: Regarding questions of this type, would moderators prefer the vetting of such questions before posting?" CreationDate="2016-03-22T14:10:37.473" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="12707" PostId="2802" Score="0" Text="@quid Actually, I thought Jon was kidding with this first comment, as indicated by the &quot;:)&quot;.  Jon: that's always an option. I'd like to add that I applaud your efforts to discern what the matter might be." CreationDate="2016-03-23T13:28:37.750" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12708" PostId="2802" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Maybe Jon should lift the tension what he meant with the comment. By now there are three interpretations. :) It would not have been the first time that this type of question (in a broad sense) is actually asked  on  meta, so I responded essentially at face value.  Generally, I do not interpret that emoji as necessarily joking or ironic, it is just a smile, in contrast to  :D or ;), say." CreationDate="2016-03-23T14:57:44.257" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12713" PostId="2802" Score="0" Text="@Todd: I had not thought of vetting the question here. I was, in fact, joking!" CreationDate="2016-03-23T18:33:53.977" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="12716" PostId="2802" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts OP did not have this intention. See above. // Jon: Thanks for the clarification. And sorry for not getting the joke. I am afraid I still don't get it, but nevermind that. :-)" CreationDate="2016-03-23T20:02:33.770" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12717" PostId="2802" Score="1" Text="@quid: I'm not a very good comedian. No apologies necessary!" CreationDate="2016-03-23T20:26:54.057" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="12686" PostId="2803" Score="4" Text="This &quot;answer&quot; may help address the concerns of post.as.a.guest expressed in a comment." CreationDate="2016-03-21T18:36:47.983" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12744" PostId="2803" Score="3" Text="With the original petition (http://bianet.org/english/human-rights/170978-academics-we-will-not-be-a-party-to-this-crime), I'm still unsure how being an &quot;academic&quot; counts for anything in the protest (it's not e.g. over academic freedoms, but general ones), other than to be rebutted by Erdogan as &quot;so-called intellectuals, unscholarly&quot;. If the last paragraph instead began &quot;We, as construction workers and baristas...&quot; it would still make sense (to me), but would there be such agitation? Maybe &quot;Academics for Peace&quot; is not a great &quot;X for Y&quot; *per se*, as &quot;Academics for Academic Freedom&quot; would be." CreationDate="2016-03-27T08:53:58.077" UserId="84499" />
  <row Id="12747" PostId="2803" Score="2" Text="@post.as.a.guest I do not claim any particular expertise on this specific subject but it appears that varied other groups in fact also have &quot;their&quot; initiatives. It is not very clear to me what your specific concern is." CreationDate="2016-03-27T18:12:14.473" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12751" PostId="2803" Score="1" Text="As an imperfect analogy say a (non-anonymous) MathOverflow user was part of a group called &quot;Academics for Life&quot; and was arrested/jailed in an anti-abortion protest (or any other hot-button issue). Would we see a MathOverflow meta-post (not to mention the petitions)? Somehow, I doubt it. In the given case, &quot;Peace&quot; can be interpreted as a codeword for the political desideratum &quot;Kurdish independence&quot;, depending on perspective (I don't entirely agree with it, but see above analogy). A contrarian viewpoint would be there is more &quot;virtue signalling&quot; about Turkey/war than any academic/math issue." CreationDate="2016-03-28T03:48:19.380" UserId="84499" />
  <row Id="12753" PostId="2803" Score="1" Text="Note: I don't blame Jeremy Rickard personally for posting his info-blurb in the first place (the background is not easy to navigate), but I think the larger issues should incline that ultimately this is creeping MathOverflow toward general politics (rather than specifically math-based politics, such as math department closures). Also, I'm not necessarily giving my own opinion in my comments, but just playing a bit of devil's advocate, as to what an alternative perception might be. (E.g. there are some Mideast grad students here who are a bit bemused of the US State Dept intervening)" CreationDate="2016-03-28T04:06:31.053" UserId="84499" />
  <row Id="12754" PostId="2803" Score="1" Text="@post.as.a.guest &quot;Would we see a MathOverflow meta-post (not to mention the petitions)?&quot; This *purely* depends on whether someone posts one. The reception is a different matter. This would remain to be seen. I think it would depend on the exact context. The reason why this got/gets so much support thought is I think not the question you hint at, but rather the fact, or at least the perceived fact (that no-one contradicted),  that somebody got arrested for signing a petition. First linked text it is said roughly by somebody: original petition was not a good idea but the arrest is uncalled for.)" CreationDate="2016-03-28T13:13:09.210" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12755" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="Beyond that I agree that it is not a good idea if MO gets involved in politics, as on an international site this is even more complicated than on more local levels (where it is already complicated enough). There was a reason why I asked what the point of the posting was. Still the current cause seems relatively clear cut as what is at stake is the imbalance between signing a petition and getting arrested. This happens to be close to Academic freedom too, in case it is relevant. On  the other hand that departement closure thread was about the worst thing that ever happen on this site." CreationDate="2016-03-28T13:18:47.353" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12756" PostId="2803" Score="1" Text="Tangentially it appears to me that  your actual problem/concern is very US centered. &quot;there are some Mideast grad students here who are a bit bemused of the US State Dept intervening&quot; The unqualified usage of &quot;here&quot; is a  hint (your other example was another). In that sense and as said, I feel you blow the actual issue at stake here out of proportion. @post.as.a.guest" CreationDate="2016-03-28T13:38:25.393" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12757" PostId="2803" Score="3" Text="I am going to warn the contributors to this thread that if back and forth comments go on much longer (or maybe even any longer at all), they will be moved to chat." CreationDate="2016-03-28T14:09:06.253" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12687" PostId="2804" Score="13" Text="My own view of Jeremy's post is that it is (or should be, ideally) a nonce post -- and I suspect that is how Jeremy intends it. (As would be a post concerning the passing of a colleague or great mathematician.) It *is* off-topic for MO meta, but a MathOverflow colleague may be in trouble and I personally am willing to override some scruples about being on-topic to try to help in some small way. I don't think however that this is the beginning of a new direction that MO may be taking -- an &quot;experiment&quot; -- that needs discussion because further such experiments are envisaged." CreationDate="2016-03-21T22:18:16.043" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12688" PostId="2804" Score="1" Text="I would agree with that view, except the end result is ending up being more than what I would expect of a nonce post.  If it did nothing more than inform and inspire activity outside MathOverflow, that would be fine.  This has the potential to affect MathOverflow as a community regardless of Jeremy's intention or your view (and ideally mine too).  I am urging more reflection on this.  Gerhard &quot;It's More Than We See&quot; Paseman, 2016.03.21." CreationDate="2016-03-21T22:33:28.787" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12690" PostId="2804" Score="2" Text="I'm sorry if my own answer is contributing to your feeling. In case it needs to be said, my answer should be read as though with my moderator hat off. (By no means do I speak here for &quot;MathOverflow LLC&quot;.) Also, I wrote it as follow-through on my earlier comment, and to provide something for those who feel as post.as.a.guest does. Beyond that, I am actually quite loath to appear here as some kind of social justice warrior, and I generally keep my political sensibilities to myself. I suggest reading both Jeremy's post and mine purely as information; what people do with it is entirely up to them." CreationDate="2016-03-22T01:52:48.593" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12691" PostId="2804" Score="0" Text="I am rather confused what your specific concern is. The post seems to start out to caution against this and related posts and activities, yet then it seems to turn around completely at the end. Anyway, this thread is in my opinion not a good place to discuss this in detail. But you might consider starting a thread at some point in the future." CreationDate="2016-03-22T11:12:47.983" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12696" PostId="2804" Score="4" Text="@ToddTrimble: I think it should be uncontroversial that mathematicians support their colleagues who are persecuted by an authoritarian state." CreationDate="2016-03-22T23:18:34.803" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12697" PostId="2804" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl I agree, and had no qualms responding as I did. I did want to get the point across that my intent wasn't to inaugurate a new social justice direction for MO." CreationDate="2016-03-22T23:28:21.523" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12698" PostId="2804" Score="2" Text="@Stefan, I don't know whether it would be uncontroversial, but I would find it unsurprising that many mathematicians would lend such support.  Part of my point is that having MathOverflow do it is controversial, and another part is that this post, whether or not it is intended as nonce, may have the effect or cause the perception that MathOverflow as a community lends such support.  Are we ready to go there, or have that happen?  Gerhard &quot;Hasn't Finished His Packing Yet&quot; Paseman, 2016.03.22." CreationDate="2016-03-22T23:31:17.813" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12712" PostId="2804" Score="7" Text="&quot;MathOverflow&quot; isn't doing it; some users are doing it. All I can say is that a perception of MO as a monolith that is doing something here would be pure confusion, an error, and moreover I'm not aware there is any such general perception." CreationDate="2016-03-23T15:36:22.633" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12742" PostId="2804" Score="2" Text="*I think it should be uncontroversial that mathematicians support their colleagues who are persecuted by an authoritarian state...* I don't see how anyone's status as a &quot;mathematician&quot; should be *per se* relevant, as it was non-mathematical actions that brought about persecution (using your term). Rather, math colleagues should offer support **to someone who is persecuted for doing mathematics** which is of course different. Otherwise, it is just a political show, as to whether X &quot;as a mathematician&quot; happens to agree with Y &quot;who's also a mathematician&quot; and is facing jail for outside reasons." CreationDate="2016-03-27T08:23:49.117" UserId="84499" />
  <row Id="12745" PostId="2804" Score="3" Text="@post.as.a.guest &quot;mathematicians&quot; is mainly relevant in that it so happens this is a site mainly populated by mathematicians; you could replace it by &quot;the users of this site.&quot; Furthermore, the original motivation of OP to post was that they know  the person in question (or at least recognized the name) by virtue of mathematical activity. Orthogonally, while I can very abstractly understand some of your concerns, I feel you are trying a bit hard to take issue." CreationDate="2016-03-27T17:45:37.650" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12692" PostId="2805" Score="18" Text="This user (in various incarnations) has been told repeatedly, and there's no point that I can see in repeating the messages. My plan now is to close and delete on sight, no questions asked. So please just flag for moderator attention. If this persists, then I think we moderators would consider stronger measures." CreationDate="2016-03-22T13:07:10.333" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12693" PostId="2805" Score="0" Text="Ok, thanks for the information. I'll do what you suggest." CreationDate="2016-03-22T13:08:25.360" UserId="24309" />
  <row Id="12695" PostId="2805" Score="19" Text="Down-voting is also important (in addition to voting to close). It might seem pointless on a individual question basis for a 1 point account, but it costs nothing on a question, makes the question disappear from the frontpage, and most importantly these signals are picked up and feed into automatic and semi-automatic measures." CreationDate="2016-03-22T15:59:36.103" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="13026" PostId="2805" Score="0" Text="A different flavour of question, but still betraying signs of not getting the message: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/237793/what-will-draw-a-shape-for-l-left-lambda-in-mathbbcs-4-lambda" CreationDate="2016-05-01T18:48:00.263" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="12699" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="In brief you want to let five 3k+ users dictate what is admissible." CreationDate="2016-03-23T01:10:39.110" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12701" PostId="2806" Score="6" Text="I think the idea behind your feature request makes sense, but implementing it in the suggested form would come along with the risk that a small group of people extends the scope of the site in a way with which the vast majority of the community does not agree. What one could do though is to increase the number of required votes in each close/reopen cycle." CreationDate="2016-03-23T10:09:08.953" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12704" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl:  Excellent idea!" CreationDate="2016-03-23T12:23:57.577" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12705" PostId="2806" Score="2" Text="I don't think I'm particularly in favor of such devices. I think what frustrates me more are cases where people state their concerns about a question, a meta is set up to discuss them, but there is no response or acknowledgment from the OP about such concerns, and so people wind up talking as if to themselves. (It's equally bad when closers don't express what is wrong, but that's not what I'm talking about here.) I don't think &quot;Caudine Forks&quot; is a very helpful way to frame it -- closers are not usually actively setting out to humiliate, but often want to express legitimate concerns." CreationDate="2016-03-23T13:14:52.913" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12706" PostId="2806" Score="3" Text="In short, I would call for more communication between the parties concerned. The recent meta post by Jon Bannon (on Intuition Pumps, here: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2802/appropriateness-of-intuition-pump-question?cb=1) is a good example of a *right* approach to take in these matters." CreationDate="2016-03-23T13:16:06.780" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12709" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="What do you actually propose now? It makes little sense to have a  feature request and to propose two completely different things. (It is fine for a discussion.) Please focus on one proposal or adapt the tags." CreationDate="2016-03-23T15:02:24.987" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12710" PostId="2806" Score="1" Text="@quid:  Both proposals are based around the same idea of being more inclusive, and giving greater consideration to people who want to see some questions open.  I'm interested to see what people think about it." CreationDate="2016-03-23T15:05:42.707" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12711" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="Fine, so it seems you want to discuss about the subject and not propose one specific new feature. So I retagged the question accordingly." CreationDate="2016-03-23T15:07:45.517" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12721" PostId="2806" Score="1" Text="Actually, a [milder version of this](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1447/) was already proposed years ago by Gil Kalai; it should be somewhere on the second page of the linked discussion.  For Stefan's proposal: It is somewhat reminiscent of [the idea of cancelling votes to close](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1064/) proposed by Kaveh, especially if one would take the &quot;biased&quot; version by Daniel Moskovich it seems the number would even match." CreationDate="2016-03-24T02:13:38.730" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12722" PostId="2806" Score="1" Text="@quid:  Thanks!  Those are useful pointers, and all those ideas you link to  seem good to me." CreationDate="2016-03-24T02:19:31.443" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12702" PostId="2807" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the answer! I am aware of the Hadamard essay on the nature of research in mathematics. I think your bullet (3) would be also very good, by the way (admittedly, aiming at the layperson was a stretch). I also like (2). Regarding (1), I didn't segue into that parenthetical in the introduction. You are probably aware, but I am referring to &quot;intuition pump&quot; as defined in philosophy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_pump. Perhaps you are right that this is off base, but I don't really understand why." CreationDate="2016-03-23T11:05:48.687" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="12703" PostId="2807" Score="0" Text="Would you mind if I incorporated some of this answer as a modification to the question? I don't really want to bump the question to the top again..." CreationDate="2016-03-23T11:08:44.057" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="12714" PostId="2807" Score="1" Text="Yes, fine with me. I'll be interested to see the answers. I was just giving you my cranky first reaction to intuition pump. I'm not sure it is standard philosophy. It seems to be coined by Daniel Dennet in his 1991 book. Kind of a &quot;thought experiment&quot; which gives insight." CreationDate="2016-03-23T19:11:53.330" UserId="8008" />
  <row Id="12715" PostId="2807" Score="0" Text="You are right. It may not be mainstream. I'll remove it (as its inclusion is a bit of a non sequitur.)" CreationDate="2016-03-23T19:19:21.003" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="12718" PostId="2808" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the answer.  In some ways you are right that a cultural shift would be preferable.  However, the discussion (see especially Gil Kalai's answer) in the linked stone soup question suggests such a cultural shift, but I don't think this has happened.  People forget, and new people enter the system.  It seems to me that a technical solution may in fact pave the way for a lasting change of attitude." CreationDate="2016-03-23T21:33:51.750" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12719" PostId="2808" Score="2" Text="@Lucia the top-voted answer there asks for edits to such questions by those that value them. Requests for edits to the questions were explicitly made (by a moderator) on the last two question that started a considerable meta activity (&quot;LIGO&quot; and &quot;Go&quot;). No edits happened. It seems a feature needed to get the culture in line with what was discussed there could be a question cannot be reopened unless it is edited. [Added: I do not actually mean to propose this feature it is intended as an illustration for what  is in my opinion part of the problem.]" CreationDate="2016-03-23T21:51:27.460" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12720" PostId="2808" Score="1" Text="And I see the opposite: the more lasting (and in my view, worthwhile) effects are cultural and not technological.  New people come in and do not understand, so the community members help them with training.  There are a lot of technical innovations that came with 2.0 that I ignore or am slowly coming to appreciate like this symbol thingy, @Lucia.  While I see your list of pros and cons, I am not seeing much benefit or cure in your proposed change as I do in mine.  Gerhard &quot;You Want Change? Be It.&quot; Paseman, 2016.03.23." CreationDate="2016-03-23T23:51:04.703" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12723" PostId="2809" Score="1" Text="You may get a better, or at least quicker, response to this on the main meta site." CreationDate="2016-03-24T11:42:33.893" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12724" PostId="2809" Score="0" Text="@quid Do you mean meta.stackexchange.com?" CreationDate="2016-03-24T13:53:52.110" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12725" PostId="2809" Score="0" Text="An important related question is to what extent is MO (and more generally stackexchange sites) accessible to the blind." CreationDate="2016-03-24T17:02:42.560" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="12726" PostId="2809" Score="1" Text="Yes, this is what I meant. If you ask it is better to ask it in general for SE sites, and to add that you care specifically about a MathJax enabled site (MO). Anyway, the sites are all the same except for minor extensions (and some special casing for the huge SO)." CreationDate="2016-03-24T20:06:44.143" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12740" PostId="2809" Score="1" Text="Crossposted on meta.SE: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/277392/to-what-extent-is-se-usable-with-console-browser-not-supporting-javascript-and" CreationDate="2016-03-25T09:22:08.580" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12727" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the answer.  I understand your view, although I don't agree with it.  In the last month about 400 questions were closed, of which 9 have been reopened.  Taking a more tolerant stance towards the reopened questions I don't think will make the site any worse.  I also don't quite know why you say that the proposal will make the site less friendly -- you might well be right, but I just don't see your reasoning." CreationDate="2016-03-25T00:25:08.063" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12728" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="The statistics over the last three months is also similar -- about 1150 questions closed, of which 20 were reopened.  The proportion of questions reopened is even lower than what I would have guessed." CreationDate="2016-03-25T00:53:56.727" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12729" PostId="2810" Score="1" Text="Indeed the number of questions that get reopened rarely exceed 10 per month: 8,10,6,7,11,5,3,3,8 is the respective count for the last couple month. What seems more relevant for your proposal though, is  the number of question that got *closed more than once.* This is over the history of MO significantly below 100  to be precise 63 is what the query gives, but it may missed some deleted ones, not sure (about 20 of those ended up open in the end). So, we are talking about a one in thousand event. The problem you want addressed is so rare that it is best handled on a case by case basis." CreationDate="2016-03-25T01:39:41.073" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12730" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="Indeed it is extremely rare, and yet these are the questions leading to endless discussions.   My take is -- it is so rare that accepting other people's interest in the question would not change the site at all." CreationDate="2016-03-25T01:42:31.457" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12731" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="Yes, I meant to come to this in a second comment. There are two orthogonal things. First the more abstract point: the data is the one that came about given a certain context. This context hardly ever creates the problem you want solved. Still you want to change it. Yet, in the other direction, you propose to change the context completely and somehow assume the outcome will stay about the same except for treating better those one in thousand event. This assumption seems based on nothing but wishful thinking." CreationDate="2016-03-25T01:50:15.987" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12732" PostId="2810" Score="1" Text="Second, right some question lead to discussion. But imo the plausible explanation for this is that the question is in a certain way controversial, and not the technical fact users can vote to close again after reopen. I just don't believe that all user seeing a reopened q they find problematic yet not being able to vtc anymore will all just think &quot;oh well, nothing to be done, moving on&quot; but at least some will complain in cmnt or rant on meta or do still something else (like giving a &quot;fun&quot; answer to mock the question, post parodies of the question etc [to be sure, all this already  happened])" CreationDate="2016-03-25T01:57:46.543" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12733" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="None of which seems more friendly than a simple vote-to-close. There was a recent example,  the &quot;Go&quot; question. You found the meta thread useless, I know, but I feel confirmed in that it was not,. It gave a venue to discuss, actually not that much discussion happened, there was a bit of voting and the thing fizzled out without any significant problem. What mainly frustrates many users is if they feel they *cannot do anything*  (but rant, and then they do this). This is very visible in the type of complaints one sees by new and low-point users under closed questions." CreationDate="2016-03-25T02:06:17.450" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12734" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="Finally, let me specifically come back to &quot;it is so rare that accepting other people's interest in the question would not change the site at all&quot; while I already addressed it indirectly. I am very convinced that certain types of questions, of the form that are prone to lead to such problems, would be a lot more frequent if community-moderation would not have pushed back on them rather consistently over the years." CreationDate="2016-03-25T02:12:38.233" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12735" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="Quid -- I've voted to close more than my fair share (usually when I feel sure of my view), and I certainly don't have anything against the community moderation.  However, I really don't see how changing the community attitude to accept that other people might find a question valuable even if one doesn't care for it oneself, will really lead to the catastrophes that you predict." CreationDate="2016-03-25T02:17:18.880" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12736" PostId="2810" Score="1" Text="Voting to close or reopen should have  nothing to do with &quot;care for [the question] oneself&quot;, these votes are not to be used to express personal preferences (instead to express those one uses up and down votes). The decision should depend on whether one considers the question as suitable for the site or not (given the current form of the q, and the current scope of the site); everything else is a misuse. In view of this it also not necessarily true that for a qu that gets reopened some &quot;really like or wish to see the question on this site;&quot; it is not true for most of my reopen votes." CreationDate="2016-03-25T02:32:09.873" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12737" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="I also made an effort not to predict any catastrophes, in any case not short term. However, the change you propose over time could have a significant negative effect. It is also somewhat ironic that you seem to have an aversion against discussions, yet a main type of question that would benefit from the change you propose are questions closed because they are likely to create too much discussion. There are plenty of controversial subjects somebody might want to discuss on MO, and i am pretty sure that for some of those there are a couple 3k+ users that want to do so too." CreationDate="2016-03-25T02:39:12.753" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12738" PostId="2810" Score="3" Text="I also just do not think that five 3k+ users are always right in their judgment. There is a somewhat recent case of a &quot;historical&quot; question, reopened, of which it was clear that the entire context was pure fiction and the thing just posted for the fun in it. I really do not see why we should host such things even if a handful of 3k+ users think so." CreationDate="2016-03-25T02:44:48.190" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12739" PostId="2810" Score="1" Text="Ok, I give up!  You're right that I don't care for these discussions.  Nor do I particularly like soft questions or &quot;discussiony&quot; ones, which as you say are the ones likely to benefit from a tolerant attitude.   However, it is also very easy for me to ignore questions that I don't like, and I don't really need reasons for why somebody else might like them." CreationDate="2016-03-25T02:57:17.827" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12799" PostId="2810" Score="1" Text="Although I don't agree with some of your views, I accept this answer.  Some points that you make are surely valid, and I think perhaps are also reflected in the overall lack of enthusiasm for my proposal.  Thanks also for pointing out the previous discussions;  I found still earlier versions on tea especially regarding the exchange of votes to keep open and close, which indeed were hard to implement well." CreationDate="2016-03-30T00:18:53.440" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12762" PostId="2813" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  I wasn't sure if the rejection message was a generic one (as @StefanKohl suggested in a now-deleted comment), or if there was really some important difference between my suggested, and the accepted, edit that escaped me." CreationDate="2016-03-28T15:52:52.737" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="12763" PostId="2813" Score="2" Text="You are welcome. I included some remark on the message now. It is generic, but in the situation where it is used  there is always another edit so at least abstractly it makes sense to refer to the edit.  Yet, note that the edit referred to here is the one in revision 2 by OP, not the subsequent ones similar to yours.  Thus, in this specific case the message does not really make sense (as the action taken by the reviewing OP was not optimal)." CreationDate="2016-03-28T15:59:22.433" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12773" PostId="2814" Score="3" Text="I think simultaneous cross-posts should rather be avoided than supported and encouraged. That said, if you have posted a question to Math.SE, and there is no answer for a considerable time and for a couple of consecutive days almost nobody looks at your question (check the view count), then you can delete the question on Math.SE and post it on MO, with a notice that it has previously been asked on Math.SE without success." CreationDate="2016-03-29T09:55:17.947" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12776" PostId="2814" Score="3" Text="Stefan, I think it is not good to delete the old post, because sometimes people give comments or even answer your question (but by some reason you can't accept this answer), and this information is often useful for you and for those who want to answer. Besides this, it happens sometimes that your question is too simple for MO, and people send you back to Math.SE." CreationDate="2016-03-29T11:23:33.517" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="12777" PostId="2814" Score="1" Text="If you already received useful information you should use it to create a new version of your question, rather than to just copy paste the old one. I do not understand the point of   &quot;Besides this, it happens sometimes that your question is too simple for MO, and people send you back to Math.SE.&quot; If you mean this speaks against deletion in itself, I do not see it, as you just can undelete at any time. (I am not sure deletion is always the best, but the argument is unconvincing.)" CreationDate="2016-03-29T11:36:19.323" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12778" PostId="2814" Score="1" Text="quid, sometimes it happens that somebody writes in comments (or in answer) something absolutely incomprehensible for non-specialists (like in the answer that I finally accepted here: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/177741/is-antipode-unique-for-bialgebras-in-arbitrary-monoidal-categories ). If you are not a specialist (and this is the usual situation), it is difficult to understand what is actually useful in people's comments. I would say, deleting what people write, is not good. And I did not know that it is possible to undelete question." CreationDate="2016-03-29T12:03:31.907" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="12779" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="@SergeiAkbarov: You cannot (and should not) delete answered questions. What I meant is that you can delete a question which just got forgotten on Math.SE, and then post it here." CreationDate="2016-03-29T12:29:21.917" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12780" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="Stefan, and the questions with comments, can they be deleted?" CreationDate="2016-03-29T12:33:23.137" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="12781" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="They can. -- If there are useful comments, you should consider them when preparing the MO version of your question, and give appropriate credit to the authors of the comments." CreationDate="2016-03-29T12:35:20.447" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12783" PostId="2814" Score="1" Text="I see. You know, I still don't like the idea of deleting somebody's comments, unless it becomes evident for the OP himself that the question is stupid." CreationDate="2016-03-29T16:47:18.757" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="12824" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="Of course, if you do not receive answer at Math.SE, you can also try a [bounty](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/bounty/info) before posting it on another site. And, of course, if you post the question to another site, you should definitely link both copies/versions to each other." CreationDate="2016-04-01T06:33:25.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12784" PostId="2815" Score="2" Text="I find your second paragraph (that is the one after the leading sentence) problematic, and I do not think it captures why some are skeptical regarding the merits of having such content on this site." CreationDate="2016-03-29T20:41:33.443" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12785" PostId="2815" Score="3" Text="@quid, what is your explanation?" CreationDate="2016-03-29T21:00:09.160" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="12786" PostId="2815" Score="0" Text="There are numerous subjects that are controversial in one way or another. Let us stick to the current situation. As said, I find the very specific incident relatively clear cut, but already the original petition 'academics for peace' appears to be more complex. Somebody might say who could not be 'for peace'? but after all the linked  article quotes  a Turkish computer scientist on this petition as 'he felt it to be unbalanced and unhelpful. But he says that he “wouldn’t have guessed that something like this would happen — it is extremely disturbing”.'" CreationDate="2016-03-29T21:36:01.993" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12787" PostId="2815" Score="2" Text="So let us rewind three months and **assume** somebody would have posted about that 'academics for peace' What then? Apparently some Turkish academics find it 'unhelpful'. Do we want to promote something 'unhelpful'? Of course others find it helpful. Who is right? (Likely both in a way.)  What's more most users of MO, including me, will  not have an educated opinion either way. (A few likely/naturally will have opinion or sensibilities in one way or another.) I just do not think anything of actual relevant usefulness will come out of such things." CreationDate="2016-03-29T21:39:17.870" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12788" PostId="2815" Score="3" Text="Yet, the risk for somebody to be alienate is rather high. I find it is also something valueable if mathematics is done together by people with vary different backgrounds and worldviews. This site can enable this. But to do so effectively I feel it needs to be somewhat of a neutral place." CreationDate="2016-03-29T21:39:22.060" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12789" PostId="2815" Score="3" Text="quid, this is vague for me. Are you careful because in your opinion there is not enough information about this case, or because you think that in any case professional societies must be neutral? In which case you think people should show their solidarity with a colleague?" CreationDate="2016-03-29T22:26:52.147" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="12790" PostId="2815" Score="2" Text="I said nothing about professional societies; this site is not a professional society. This is precisely the issue Gerhard Paseman and Todd Trimble discussed. This site just does not have the infrastructure to properly handle such things.  It could only be individuals acting. And for most cases most will not be informed sufficiently well or at all (and to be sure most of the time I will be in the not informed part). This is not a critique, the world is just a complicated place." CreationDate="2016-03-29T22:50:27.663" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12829" PostId="2815" Score="2" Text="Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/37812/discussion-on-answer-by-sergei-akbarov-mathoverflow-user-jailed)." CreationDate="2016-04-01T13:01:36.603" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12821" PostId="2818" Score="0" Text="Nope, shouldn't have. A bunch of images were moved - could be that (if so, clicking on the empty space should work). Will look when I am a dev machine (probably tomorrow)." CreationDate="2016-03-31T19:30:46.677" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="12822" PostId="2818" Score="0" Text="Aha!  I hovered over the empty space just now and a pop-up &quot;Insert Citation  Ctrl-M&quot; appeared.  I need to get better at using invisible buttons!&#xA;&#xA;Note:  the button is only invisible when I use Chrome.  On Safari, it is present.  I haven't checked other browsers. &#xA;&#xA;Thank you for the help." CreationDate="2016-03-31T19:38:08.720" UserId="49409" />
  <row Id="12823" PostId="2818" Score="0" Text="No problem - I will fix it when my workday starts ;)" CreationDate="2016-03-31T19:46:49.013" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="12844" PostId="2818" Score="0" Text="The earlier version of the Citation Helper added the link to the MathSciNet entry for the article.   Is there any chance that you could enable that?" CreationDate="2016-04-08T17:51:38.500" UserId="49409" />
  <row Id="12934" PostId="2818" Score="0" Text="I just realized that the link to the MathSciNet *is* in there.  The title is a live link to the MathSciNet entry for the item.  Thank you @Oded♦." CreationDate="2016-04-14T14:57:04.280" UserId="49409" />
  <row Id="12956" PostId="2818" Score="2" Text="I wrote about the citation helper on my blog, and included a worked example, [here](http://blogs.ams.org/beyondreviews/2016/04/17/mathoverflow-and-mathscinet/)." CreationDate="2016-04-18T20:15:49.087" UserId="49409" />
  <row Id="12826" PostId="2819" Score="14" Text="&quot;In fact, is there a way to make my votes public right now?&quot;&#xA;[Just see.](http://mathoverflow.net/users/current?tab=votes)" CreationDate="2016-04-01T09:54:49.863" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12828" PostId="2819" Score="20" Text="Makes me wonder: can I bequeath reputation points in my will?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T10:20:02.457" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12830" PostId="2819" Score="4" Text="&quot;I would like to know how has up- and (most importantly!) downvoted my questions. Will I find out after I die?&quot; You can find out right away [here](http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/vote-down). Oh, you meant &quot;who&quot;, maybe that's for next year then. :-)" CreationDate="2016-04-01T14:34:24.843" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12832" PostId="2819" Score="0" Text="@quid: oops, thx, fixed. How did you make that &quot;just see&quot; thing?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T15:54:16.007" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="12833" PostId="2819" Score="5" Text="Using `current` instead of a userID (and displayname) in the link will take each (registered) user to their version of the site. You should be able to see it by hovering over the link rather than following it." CreationDate="2016-04-01T16:04:31.743" UserDisplayName="user9072" />
  <row Id="12835" PostId="2819" Score="21" Text=":-) This reminds me of the joke: &quot;Two unborn twins talk just before birth: -- Is there life after birth? -- Very unlikely. Nobody ever came back&quot;." CreationDate="2016-04-02T07:24:19.637" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12842" PostId="2819" Score="3" Text="Joro +1: Didn't know this joke, but definitely one of my favorites now :-)" CreationDate="2016-04-06T20:02:54.670" UserId="13625" />
  <row Id="16449" PostId="2819" Score="0" Text="@SylvainJULIEN What about a chat channel about (math) jokes? If you are interested please make a channel on chat and ping me with the URL." CreationDate="2018-06-13T07:29:26.660" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12838" PostId="2820" Score="2" Text="I assume you are writing from experience, right?" CreationDate="2016-04-03T08:23:28.047" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12839" PostId="2820" Score="3" Text="I always write from experience.  What I write about isn't always from first hand observation.  As the poster is interested in answers which may depend on belief systems, this gives some latitude in the responses.  Gerhard &quot;Feel Free To Be Entertained/ing&quot; Paseman, 2016.04.03." CreationDate="2016-04-03T21:21:18.387" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12841" PostId="2821" Score="3" Text="How about award the bounty, but do not accept the answer (until you check it)." CreationDate="2016-04-04T13:41:33.317" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="12845" PostId="2825" Score="0" Text="Yes, I think your question is suitable for MathOverflow." CreationDate="2016-04-08T21:41:39.783" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12851" PostId="2826" Score="1" Text="In general, on SE sites which strive to be question-answer sites with answers being grounded in fact, questions whose answers are necessarily opinion-based are deprecated (they can lead to arguments, as witnessed on many an internet discussion board, e.g. just about any IMDB discussion forum). There are some gray areas, which we see time-to-time at MO." CreationDate="2016-04-09T12:57:56.377" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12862" PostId="2826" Score="0" Text="Opinion-based questions tend to lead to lengthy discussions which many, if not most, people don't find worth reading afterwards -- at least not as much as to-the-point questions and answers. A question / answer site like MathOverflow (and to some extent also the other SE sites) aims at gathering information which is useful for future readers, and not only for the participants of a present discussion." CreationDate="2016-04-09T15:47:26.780" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12863" PostId="2826" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl I agree in the case that &quot;opinion&quot; means &quot;who is right&quot;; on a forum like MO it should however be possible to let people express various opinions from which the poster of a question can draw conclusions for her/himself." CreationDate="2016-04-09T15:56:17.243" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="12852" PostId="2827" Score="8" Text="Just FYI: quid still has other SE accounts: http://stackexchange.com/users/2945945/quid?tab=accounts" CreationDate="2016-04-09T13:01:54.653" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12854" PostId="2827" Score="54" Text="what a loss for MO, we'll miss you." CreationDate="2016-04-09T13:17:44.277" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="12861" PostId="2827" Score="10" Text="Hope quid still posts anonymously or better come in another incarnation." CreationDate="2016-04-09T14:36:50.577" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12864" PostId="2827" Score="2" Text="Does this mean that all his/her answers and comments are no longer visible? This would certainly be a loss for the community." CreationDate="2016-04-09T18:16:25.260" UserId="2669" />
  <row Id="12865" PostId="2827" Score="3" Text="@PeterSamuelson I believe his/her comments are still alive e.g. see here: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2819/can-i-see-who-voted-for-what-after-i-die?cb=1#comment12826_2819" CreationDate="2016-04-09T18:28:57.683" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12870" PostId="2827" Score="13" Text="@joro He seems to have been posting anonymously all along, right? Despite his protestations, my opinion is that it was a pity that we never really knew who he was.  Probably some of us know him very well, without knowing *that*, although he does." CreationDate="2016-04-10T01:57:17.213" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="12871" PostId="2827" Score="4" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins the actor quid posted under single account. Better anonymity is to post from one/few time accounts (maybe he/she did this too). Having in mind quid is moderator at SE, I suspect some people at SE know the real name, not sure." CreationDate="2016-04-10T06:31:23.290" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12886" PostId="2827" Score="9" Text="I will miss having quid around. He/she was part of what makes MO so fun." CreationDate="2016-04-11T00:09:13.877" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="12895" PostId="2827" Score="19" Text="quid has quit -- *quidquid agis, prudenter agas et respice finem*?&#xA;-- Making so immense contributions to the site without even telling who&#xA;they are needs a quite special personality, so perhaps sudden disappearance&#xA;is part of the performance and was already planned years ago when creating&#xA;the account and choosing the name. -- But who knows, maybe all this is&#xA;nothing but a *quid*dity!" CreationDate="2016-04-11T15:02:58.950" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12898" PostId="2827" Score="0" Text="I deleted my earlier comment since it might be read as  giving away&#xA;an email address. I did not intend this, it was meant as example of the general type, &#xA;in fact the actually used one may well have been different." CreationDate="2016-04-11T16:31:05.163" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="12900" PostId="2827" Score="10" Text="Sad to see quid has left. Meta will not be the same without quid." CreationDate="2016-04-11T18:03:20.400" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="12921" PostId="2827" Score="12" Text="Sorry this is so gossipy, but why did quid leave? Did he have some problem with MO that we all should be aware of?? His/her loss is very unfortunate..." CreationDate="2016-04-13T19:41:16.397" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="12929" PostId="2827" Score="2" Text="This was the point of my post: to forestall such  gossip.  I think that your question is reasonable, but that it would hav been already answered on this page.  Speculation may continue, but not on this  forum.  Gerhard &quot;Or So I Strongly Recommend&quot; Paseman, 2016..04.14." CreationDate="2016-04-14T11:31:25.590" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12930" PostId="2827" Score="1" Text="Does account deletion have an option of preserving the content? I.e. I well imagine a situation when a user is overwhelmed by his/her account, and wants to be rid of it, but would not mind keeping the data related to the account intact." CreationDate="2016-04-14T12:53:54.160" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="12931" PostId="2827" Score="9" Text="This is sad news for MO." CreationDate="2016-04-14T13:35:56.553" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="12954" PostId="2827" Score="9" Text="Best wishes, quid, and thank you." CreationDate="2016-04-18T11:48:49.117" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="13579" PostId="2827" Score="0" Text="Is there a possibility to contact quid? I want to speak to him." CreationDate="2016-10-02T14:03:35.513" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="13580" PostId="2827" Score="1" Text="@SergeiAkbarov quid was/is moderator at matheducators.SE, consider spamming there." CreationDate="2016-10-02T15:02:02.897" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="13581" PostId="2827" Score="0" Text="@joro, yes, thank you, I see his page there, http://matheducators.stackexchange.com/users/143/quid , but how to contact him? You say, spamming?" CreationDate="2016-10-02T15:08:10.330" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="13582" PostId="2827" Score="0" Text="@SergeiAkbarov &quot;spamming&quot; was joking, possibly leave a comment at them or ask a question there." CreationDate="2016-10-02T15:09:48.380" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="13583" PostId="2827" Score="0" Text="Is he completely anonymous, or maybe he left an e-mail, or something like this?" CreationDate="2016-10-02T15:16:00.617" UserId="18943" />
  <row Id="13584" PostId="2827" Score="0" Text="@SergeiAkbarov Don't know." CreationDate="2016-10-02T15:26:09.170" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="15086" PostId="2827" Score="5" Text="Since the question whether all posts/answer by quid can be found somewhere, I will mention that it is possible using [SEDE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info). For example, there is this query; [Get posts list of a deleted user](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/405958/get-posts-list-of-a-deleted-user?UserId=9072). (And, of course, it can be modified in various ways.)" CreationDate="2017-10-17T00:13:59.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22372" PostId="2827" Score="0" Text="As an addition to the previous comment - there is a separate post on this meta: [Is there a way to check all questions/answers posted from a deleted account](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3748)." CreationDate="2020-06-19T01:38:29.397" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12853" PostId="2828" Score="25" Text="Meaning, then, that only quid could say what 'happened' that led to this decision. I strongly advise against speculating about this here." CreationDate="2016-04-09T13:15:38.387" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12855" PostId="2828" Score="3" Text="Having in mind quid is still moderator at matheducators.SE, this decision is a bit risky for his moderator career... Good luck quid :-)" CreationDate="2016-04-09T13:48:31.710" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12856" PostId="2828" Score="10" Text="@joro: I don't see how." CreationDate="2016-04-09T13:49:16.613" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12857" PostId="2828" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila MO moderator wrote in comment at least some MO moderators have &quot;contracts&quot; with the SE overlords. The SE overlords can break the contract in $o(1)$ I suspect. Also imagine the headlines in popular media about &quot;SE moderator wants himself deleted from another SE site&quot; (for a start reddit, /.)." CreationDate="2016-04-09T14:17:31.077" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12858" PostId="2828" Score="12" Text="@joro: I don't see why this should have any effect. If I am a pastry chef, will people stop coming to my store just because they found out that I don't like fried eggplants?" CreationDate="2016-04-09T14:21:16.693" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12859" PostId="2828" Score="2" Text="@joro fyi, the [moderator _agreement_](http://matheducators.stackexchange.com/legal/moderator-agreement) is almost entirely about abiding by the Terms of Service, and not making private information public. As for moderators of one site deleting accounts on another, fairly recently a moderator resigned and requested their account deleted on one site, with no repercussions to their diamonds on other sites." CreationDate="2016-04-09T14:29:16.367" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="12860" PostId="2828" Score="5" Text="@joro There was a bit of drama on another SE site not that long ago where in the end several moderators deleted their accounts on that site. There is no reason this would affect the ability to moderate a different SE site. The only reasons for SE to take away moderator privileges is serious misconduct of the moderator (which could be on a different site) or inactivity for 6 months." CreationDate="2016-04-09T14:30:07.897" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="12894" PostId="2828" Score="3" Text="I wish I could answer all questions this way. Why believe you?" CreationDate="2016-04-11T14:32:00.043" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12867" PostId="2831" Score="31" Text="The former user 'quid' made tremendous contributions to MO meta in particular, where he/she has been an unrivaled gold mine of information on the ins and outs of SE sites. This individual also seems to be blessed (if that's the right word) with an extraordinary memory for past events at MO meta, and often showed great sensitivity. Wish him or her well." CreationDate="2016-04-09T20:44:38.480" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12868" PostId="2831" Score="4" Text="And why would you have information to the contrary? But I do agree that when people leave, without explanation, it is generally a good idea for others to mind their own business, and leave them people alone. And with that, I will conclude my business in this thread." CreationDate="2016-04-09T21:38:32.213" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12869" PostId="2831" Score="4" Text="@Asaf, under most situations, I would not have contrary information. Hypothetically, I might have an email that indicates something else has happened, which I would consider as information yet to be verified.  I am not saying you are wrong so much as I am slow to accept your information as truth.  I am not slow to act on it in conditional terms, which I have done.   Gerhard &quot;Also Willing To Conclude Subthread&quot; Paseman, 2016.04.09." CreationDate="2016-04-09T21:56:44.943" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12872" PostId="2831" Score="0" Text="IMHO this shows the meaning of &quot;reputation on SE&quot;." CreationDate="2016-04-10T06:35:33.220" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12877" PostId="2831" Score="2" Text="See [this message on Tavern on the Meta](http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/4798555#4798555) for a kind of quantification of Todd's above comment. (The SEDE data has been updated, and no longer includes information about quid.)" CreationDate="2016-04-10T13:13:17.740" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="12896" PostId="2831" Score="1" Text="Why believe Asaf's version? This is just the version of 13.6K user, not even moderator, not even hint of &quot;evidence&quot;. I wish I could answer all questions this way." CreationDate="2016-04-11T16:18:47.407" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12897" PostId="2831" Score="9" Text="@joro, because I have a degree of trust regarding Asaf Karagila.  I trust but let the reader know that I have not verified.  If it turns out Asaf was wrong or misled (hypothetically, as things look a lot like Asaf said), my response still applies, even to possible future cases.  Gerhard &quot;Trust And Caution Are Compatible&quot;  Paseman, 2016.04.11." CreationDate="2016-04-11T16:24:06.163" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12942" PostId="2831" Score="12" Text="@joro: What does the amount of reputation or being a moderator has to do with this? I'm not sure. I was trusted with information, and I was trusted to keep it to myself. You don't want to believe me? That's fine. You can either take it or leave it. I generally don't participate in these &quot;why did someone leave&quot; discussions, mostly because I generally have to speculate. The fact that I did partake in this discussion is exactly because I didn't have to speculate. Although I might be lying through my teeth right now as part of a major conspiracy to take over the world. But why believe *that* too?" CreationDate="2016-04-15T12:22:43.987" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="12950" PostId="2831" Score="6" Text="@joro, Asaf's reputation at Mathematics Stack Exchange is a little higher than his reputation at MathOverflow.  Perhaps you would believe his statements there?" CreationDate="2016-04-17T06:28:16.313" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="12873" PostId="2833" Score="1" Text="For obvious reasons, at the lower end there will be a disproportionately large number of people with reputation = 1 modulo 10." CreationDate="2016-04-10T09:58:11.763" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12874" PostId="2833" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I think yours might be true because at the time question upvote gave 10 points. In case accepting an answer toggles the parity, I am not sure yours is true in a random model." CreationDate="2016-04-10T10:02:50.713" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12875" PostId="2833" Score="1" Text="I think Emil was referring to the large number of users whose score is not only  1 modulo 10, but is actually 1 identically." CreationDate="2016-04-10T12:54:19.763" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="12876" PostId="2833" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Emil might also be including the large group of users with 101 reputation (due to the association bonus). I imagine that those two groups (1 rep and 101 rep) make up at least half of all accounts." CreationDate="2016-04-10T13:00:24.187" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="12878" PostId="2833" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Users with reputation 1 are excluded by the lower bound of 10 points reputation." CreationDate="2016-04-10T13:18:17.303" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12879" PostId="2833" Score="0" Text="@arjafi In 2012 MO wasn't part of the SE network and I believe 101 users couldn't join for free." CreationDate="2016-04-10T13:19:55.627" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12880" PostId="2834" Score="11" Text="Just two points: firstly, questions with answers with score $&gt;0$ cannot be deleted unilaterally by the OP; secondly, nothing is really deleted -- i.e. deleted questions and answers remain visible for users with at least 10000 points." CreationDate="2016-04-10T20:59:51.810" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12881" PostId="2834" Score="1" Text="If you remember anything specific about the question (e.g., number, URL, user who posted it, identifying phrases in it) you can try to contact the site moderators via a flag who may deem it appropriate to simply undelete it." CreationDate="2016-04-10T21:11:27.660" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="12888" PostId="2834" Score="1" Text="Even the rough date or time of the post would be helpful." CreationDate="2016-04-11T03:03:55.913" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="12891" PostId="2834" Score="1" Text="Also, something not entirely dissimilar came up on Meta Stack Exchange recently, and there's a chance that the rules about self-deleting answered questioned will be tightened up across the network. Read through this question and its answers, and vote where appropriate: [Should heavily-edited answers block self-deletion of questions?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/276027)" CreationDate="2016-04-11T10:09:49.227" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="12882" PostId="2835" Score="1" Text="Thank you for your answer. In the case I briefly described, the question (and thus the answer) seem to have been deleted very quickly, possibly before the answer had a chance to get an upvote. In any case, even an answer with no upvotes may have value for the OP, which may easily exceed the value of the points he could lose with the deletion (in that case, the OP didn't seem to lose any points, and he even got a badge). Also, I think there are rather few users with $\ge10$K rep. I would like to hear why deletions cannot be abandoned and replaced by other measures, such as I suggested." CreationDate="2016-04-10T22:01:17.597" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="12883" PostId="2835" Score="2" Text="I'm going to take a guess, which I think is the norm in these cases, that OP was simply embarrassed by the question and 'got out' while it was still possible. This by SE standards is justifiable *if the post adds nothing of value* (in this case, in the eyes of the OP). In view of this general standard, I'd be leery of proposing your suggestion. But if you honestly believe a user is intentionally gaming the system (e.g., getting an answer quickly to a homework problem and violating an honor code), I think it would be better to bring this to moderator attention via a flag." CreationDate="2016-04-10T23:05:21.893" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12885" PostId="2835" Score="5" Text="Sorry Todd, I don't know how to flag a nonexistent (to my view) post. I believe (as, apparently, did other upvoters) that the question I mentioned was interesting and nontrivial,nothing like a homework problem. I still don't understand how one's deleting an answer to his question, even if it has not been upvoted (yet), can be justifiable." CreationDate="2016-04-11T00:06:06.323" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="12887" PostId="2835" Score="1" Text="You can also write the moderators (moderators@mathoverflow.net) if you have some information which can be used to identify the post, along the lines of what arjafi suggested above." CreationDate="2016-04-11T00:10:39.277" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12890" PostId="2835" Score="0" Text="@IosifPinelis You don't have to flag the post in question. You could even flag your own question above and use an &quot;in need of moderator attention&quot; comment to explain the situation. (There are no repercussions to simply having had some of your posts flagged.) Using the information from your question, I believe I've narrowed the &quot;suspects&quot; to only a short list, but I personally cannot see anything or do anything about it." CreationDate="2016-04-11T10:04:13.983" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="12892" PostId="2835" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the additional comments. I still don't understand why the OP should ever be allowed to delete others' work. More generally, I still don't understand why deletions cannot be abandoned altogether and replaced by other measures, such as I suggested." CreationDate="2016-04-11T13:48:19.767" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="12911" PostId="2835" Score="1" Text="How do I find a deleted question? As a user with $\ge 10K$ reputation I can see those, but have trouble finding them. Where are they kept?" CreationDate="2016-04-13T13:38:08.137" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="12915" PostId="2835" Score="1" Text="@IgorBelegradek Have a look at http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/117892/how-do-you-view-deleted-questions" CreationDate="2016-04-13T16:05:55.450" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12943" PostId="2835" Score="4" Text="Related feature-request on meta.SE: [Disallow deletion of questions for 24 hours after last answer was posted](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/135538/disallow-deletion-of-questions-for-24-hours-after-last-answer-was-posted)" CreationDate="2016-04-15T16:16:40.927" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="12951" PostId="2835" Score="1" Text="I wonder if it would make sense to have a policy where in order to delete an answered question with 0 upvotes, the OP would put in a request, which would be acted upon once the answerer approved the request." CreationDate="2016-04-17T17:05:24.887" UserId="11054" />
  <row Id="12957" PostId="2835" Score="0" Text="@AnthonyQuas: I don't see much point to that, as opposed to just making zero-score answers block deletion outright. If there's a single answer preventing your question from being deleted, and you think the answerer would agree with the deletion, you can already contact them via comments and ask them to delete their own answer." CreationDate="2016-04-19T18:48:43.857" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="12958" PostId="2835" Score="0" Text="@IlmariKaronen: what you're proposing sounds like an indirect way of implementing what I am suggesting in a direct way." CreationDate="2016-04-20T04:10:06.440" UserId="11054" />
  <row Id="12960" PostId="2835" Score="3" Text="Just one additional point: it has happened to me once, a while ago, and I don't actually remember, when and where. I was taking some time to prepare an answer to a question, and when I wanted to type it in, the question was gone. So I have wasted some time. For the OP, this is a matter of netiquette. Whenever a question might just have a sensible answer (i.e., one cannot prove there is none), it is always better to improve the question or at least edit and say _I don't really need an answer any more_ at the very beginning." CreationDate="2016-04-21T12:10:21.543" UserId="70808" />
  <row Id="12962" PostId="2835" Score="0" Text="@SebastianGoette : Your example is very interesting. I did not even think of such a possibility, that by removing the question even before getting any answers the OP may waste time and effort of other users, which may in some cases be quite significant." CreationDate="2016-04-21T16:25:03.360" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="12963" PostId="2835" Score="2" Text="It might be reasonable to enforce a timelag: the OP could request deletion and if there is no answer yet, then this would be automatically granted, solving the &quot;I just realised I asked a silly question&quot; problem. However, if there is already an answer with no upvotes, then it would only be granted two or three days after the answer was given, and only if it still doesn't have any upvote by then." CreationDate="2016-04-21T20:54:13.610" UserId="38566" />
  <row Id="12970" PostId="2835" Score="1" Text="A time-lag could be workable too. However, I think a case can be made that, if you asked a silly question, and someone has taken the time to provide an answer to said question, you shouldn't be able to delete." CreationDate="2016-04-22T10:35:25.717" UserId="3651" />
  <row Id="12889" PostId="2836" Score="0" Text="Thanks, this makes sense." CreationDate="2016-04-11T09:00:18.643" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12912" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="Here is a similar situation.  A asks a question.  B gives a trivial counterexample, &quot;constant functions satisfy that&quot; or something.  A modifies the question to eliminate the counterexample, such as adding &quot;nonconstant&quot; to the text.  Surely that is to be permitted?" CreationDate="2016-04-13T14:23:08.443" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="12913" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="I actually think this should be the best way to go. This is the kind of edit I wanted to do, but I wanted to consult first as it is a bit intrusive." CreationDate="2016-04-13T14:26:37.047" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="12914" PostId="2839" Score="1" Text="But the question you linked doesn't seem to fall into this category.  The OP thanks the writer of the answer as having helped them understand something.  Editing such a question doesn't seem warranted.  If you think of a refined better question, why not just ask that separately, adding a link to the first one." CreationDate="2016-04-13T15:58:28.717" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12917" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@Lucia see the editing. Is it clearer now?" CreationDate="2016-04-13T18:22:58.147" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="12918" PostId="2839" Score="2" Text="That's easy enough:  if you have a more interesting question that needs answering, then you ask that question!" CreationDate="2016-04-13T18:29:58.003" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12919" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@Lucia but the question is already there - it's just not clear enough that it is unanswered, because another (very related) question from the original OP was answered." CreationDate="2016-04-13T18:31:59.550" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="12901" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="I somehow disagree with the first statement - A question was asked and and an answer was given. There was a question, and a possible answer - which was disproved. To be strict-  The first answer is not really an answer to the question." CreationDate="2016-04-12T19:01:10.513" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="12902" PostId="2840" Score="2" Text="If the answer or the question are bad to begin with, then editing/deleting should occur.  The culture here is to encourage people to contribute well; if the answer made a contribution and then was made invalid because of a change in the question, that discourages that and other contributors.  I made the assumption that the answer was a contribution.  If it isn't, then what is the issue?  Gerhard &quot;There Is Also The Commentary&quot; Paseman, 2016.04.12." CreationDate="2016-04-12T19:06:27.180" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12903" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="@AmirSagiv I don't follow you. In the linked question, it seems clear that a question was asked and a satisfying answer was given (both question and answer were received very well also)." CreationDate="2016-04-13T05:03:16.517" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="12904" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="You have a double negative in the first paragraph that was probably not intended (&quot;less irrelevant&quot;)." CreationDate="2016-04-13T05:03:48.783" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="12905" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman, the &quot;less irrelevant&quot; comment is for your answer." CreationDate="2016-04-13T06:42:29.200" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="12906" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft , I don't agree. The question is (1) what can be said about X and (2) I conjecture that X' is Y. The answer says that the conjecture is wrong, and that not much can be said about X'. But question (1) still remains unanswered. I don't think the question is bad, rather that it consists of two parts, and it will be counter productive to cancel it, or branch it. Maybe the edit should be that part (2) is now disproved, but still show it so people will have more context." CreationDate="2016-04-13T06:46:34.223" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="12907" PostId="2840" Score="1" Text="@AmirSagiv The OP accepted the answer, so it was clearly helpful to them." CreationDate="2016-04-13T06:48:48.713" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="12908" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft, I must have been misunderstood. It is a very helpful answer. The OP had a conjecture and someone helped him understand why it is wrong. My only claim is that, by the sheer presentation of the question, it is unclear that there's still an open question - namely (1). My only wish is to find an editing scheme that will make it more obvious." CreationDate="2016-04-13T06:52:03.563" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="12909" PostId="2840" Score="2" Text="@AmirSagiv Why do you want to do this with an edit, when a new question would clearly be a great way to do it?" CreationDate="2016-04-13T06:53:33.820" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="12910" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft That's a good answer. I think that the &quot;new&quot; question is not new, it is well phrased withing the &quot;old one&quot;, and people can benefit from the existing discussion, conjecture and its counter example, in order to answer the question. It only needs some refurnishing to be more visible - something like &quot;Part 1 xxxxxx. Part 2 - Conjecture yyyy. Edit - I now know from answer zzz that conjectures of the form of mine can not be true&quot;," CreationDate="2016-04-13T06:56:30.757" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="12916" PostId="2841" Score="4" Text="Thank you. I undeleted and upvoted your answer." CreationDate="2016-04-13T16:19:47.590" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12920" PostId="2841" Score="2" Text="Thank you Alexandre for providing a good example." CreationDate="2016-04-13T19:32:04.320" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="12924" PostId="2841" Score="3" Text="@Todd, here's another question that was asked, answered, and deleted by the person asking. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/235944/find-a-square-stochastic-matrix-w-non-neg-entries-of-odd-size-not-a-permuta" CreationDate="2016-04-14T00:25:17.543" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="12925" PostId="2841" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson Thanks; I took care of it the same way. (But if this is a very common trend, then there should be a little more community oversight, along the lines of reopening closed questions, perhaps.)" CreationDate="2016-04-14T00:46:46.283" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12926" PostId="2841" Score="2" Text="Thank you Gerry for providing another such example." CreationDate="2016-04-14T03:43:15.317" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="12952" PostId="2841" Score="1" Text="I think these examples do show that there is an issue to be answered. And I tend to agree that, once an answer is given, a question author should lose the right to delete their question." CreationDate="2016-04-17T21:29:09.310" UserId="3651" />
  <row Id="12955" PostId="2841" Score="1" Text="I agree: there should be a rule  that if the question has &gt;0 up votes, and answers, it should not be deleted." CreationDate="2016-04-18T11:58:06.297" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="12935" PostId="2843" Score="2" Text="On meta some contributions of quid seem to have been deleted, but so far as I can tell contributions on the main site seem intact." CreationDate="2016-04-14T23:46:49.520" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12936" PostId="2843" Score="2" Text="Observe that the deleted user can delete himself some of his contributions. IIRC exceptions are like questions with high scored answers. In situations like this https://archive.org may help, but AFACT it is not indexed by google." CreationDate="2016-04-15T09:36:53.767" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="16784" PostId="2843" Score="1" Text="A related recent post: [Is there a way to check all questions/answers posted from a deleted account](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3748)." CreationDate="2018-07-21T09:26:14.627" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12937" PostId="2844" Score="1" Text="Is there an option for undeleting a deleted account?" CreationDate="2016-04-15T09:38:40.497" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12938" PostId="2844" Score="0" Text="@joro SE employees (I'm not sure if CMs can do this themselves, or if a developer is needed) can undelete deleted accounts. This is quite rare, and can almost certainly _only_ be initiated by the owner of the account by contacting SE." CreationDate="2016-04-15T09:56:24.677" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="12939" PostId="2844" Score="0" Text="How to properly *cite* a post authored by a user who has deleted their account?&#xA;-- If the author's name is replaced by &quot;user#####&quot;,&#xA;it is in general not possible to find out who the author is." CreationDate="2016-04-15T10:08:13.037" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="12940" PostId="2844" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl If you trust https://archive.org or in some cases google's cache, you in most cases can easily find quid." CreationDate="2016-04-15T10:56:14.160" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="12941" PostId="2844" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl That might be a question for [academia.se]. I would _guess_ that whatever conventions there are for citing pseudonymous works would apply (with &quot;user#####&quot; as the pseudonym)." CreationDate="2016-04-15T11:28:38.217" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13010" PostId="2844" Score="0" Text="In this regard I am very curious about the mysterious sigfpe. If you search for it, seems like there was a very active user with this name. I've never encountered this user however, neither questions nor answers nor comments, only numerous mentions by others. Maybe I should ask a separate question about it." CreationDate="2016-04-26T20:13:55.673" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13011" PostId="2844" Score="3" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე Account information on [tea](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/account/69/) suggests that sigfpe is [Dan Piponi](http://mathoverflow.net/users/1233/dan-piponi)." CreationDate="2016-04-26T20:23:03.237" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13012" PostId="2844" Score="0" Text="Wow thanks for pointing this out" CreationDate="2016-04-26T20:54:48.510" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="12948" PostId="2845" Score="0" Text="This is a reasonable request, and I think there should be one of these on meta to indicate the possibility of this type of undeletion.  I think it is better for the site if future requests of this nature are made directly to the moderators@mathoverflow.net, and not on a public forum.  (I am willing to expand on this through email if asked.) Gerhard &quot;Seems More Respectful To Me&quot; Paseman, 2016.04.16." CreationDate="2016-04-16T19:33:47.280" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="12949" PostId="2845" Score="3" Text="It seems pretty straightforward to me, and I don't see what is sensitive about the request that cannot be discussed publicly." CreationDate="2016-04-16T19:40:04.613" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="12959" PostId="2848" Score="1" Text="The link takes you to inbox on your network-wide SE profile. While this should be usually transparent, it wouldn't suprise me if it *occasionally* led to a re-login (e.g., if you haven't visited the network profile for a while). Even on MO itself, the system may spontaneously require a new login from time to time." CreationDate="2016-04-20T08:00:06.787" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12968" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="It is true that see the suggested edits in [the list you linked](http://mathoverflow.net/review/suggested-edits/history) requires some reputation. But I guess that if you link to specific examples of reviews - using links like [this](http://mathoverflow.net/review/suggested-edits/63340) or [this](http://mathoverflow.net/review/suggested-edits/63350) or [this](http://mathoverflow.net/review/suggested-edits/63491), then they will be visible to everybody. (In fact, I tried to view them while not logged in and I saw the review.)" CreationDate="2016-04-22T07:30:08.990" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12969" PostId="2849" Score="3" Text="Another link where these suggested edits could be visible to all users could be link to all [suggested edits of that particular user](http://mathoverflow.net/users/21574/hassan-jolany?tab=activity&amp;sort=suggestions). (This was not intended as pointing to a single user, my intention was to show some examples of suggested edits you mention. But if this is for some reason inappropriate, I - or the moderators - can delete my comments.)" CreationDate="2016-04-22T07:34:20.793" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12971" PostId="2849" Score="14" Text="The recent edits simply copy-paste material from Wikipedia, without attribution.  When done on such a large scale it could be considered a violation of Wikipedia's CC BY-SA license." CreationDate="2016-04-22T10:39:53.550" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="12972" PostId="2849" Score="2" Text="well, some of it is already being improved..." CreationDate="2016-04-22T11:51:25.750" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="12973" PostId="2849" Score="9" Text="In light of Dmitri Pavlov's observation, could it be that the user misunderstands the meaning of the word &quot;wiki&quot; in &quot;tag wiki&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-04-22T20:30:50.910" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="18204" PostId="2849" Score="1" Text="These posts on Meta Stack Exchange are related to this problem: [Would it be OK to paste content from Wikipedia into a popular empty tag-wiki?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/79000) and [Can we do anything against tag wikis copy-pasted from Wikipedia?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/102314)" CreationDate="2019-01-23T11:06:27.647" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="12964" PostId="2850" Score="1" Text="it's been viewed &gt; 10.000 times, so it passes the MO definition of &quot;famous&quot;, seems OK to me." CreationDate="2016-04-21T21:02:21.687" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="12965" PostId="2850" Score="1" Text="@CarloBeenakker I added a paragraph in the edit. Basically, if it was closed for being a bad question, MO shouldn't award badges to it." CreationDate="2016-04-21T21:07:13.477" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="12966" PostId="2850" Score="1" Text="The question provoked a lot of discussion, part of it on a serious level. There are other closed questions that got many, many views, like [this](http://mathoverflow.net/q/38856/70808) or [this](http://mathoverflow.net/q/22299/70808). They are even further away from research level stuff, but late in the evening, they are really fun. I don't envy the authors their gold badges at all. Finally, the badge is called &quot;famous&quot;, maybe with a hindsight. Just figure out who got famous in the world outside, and for what." CreationDate="2016-04-21T21:40:27.037" UserId="70808" />
  <row Id="12967" PostId="2850" Score="2" Text="@SebastianGoette I agree that we don't go for MO for the shiny (virtual) badges. But If we award questions, they should be considered good across the site. Maybe this question shouldn't have been closed if it was so interesting. Maybe it's a signal to expand the &quot;good question&quot; definition a bit." CreationDate="2016-04-21T21:49:28.820" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="12975" PostId="2852" Score="7" Text="The comments gave you very good constructive advice. Listen to them instead of dismissing them." CreationDate="2016-04-23T08:34:40.673" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12976" PostId="2852" Score="0" Text="@Emil. Be sure I'd like to do! But I am simply not in a position to do much more without any input, hence the question!" CreationDate="2016-04-23T08:44:19.487" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12977" PostId="2852" Score="0" Text="@Emil. How to escape this vicious circle? That is the question." CreationDate="2016-04-23T08:47:38.813" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12978" PostId="2852" Score="0" Text="@Emil: as I said, what would happen if Feynman would ask today about the existence of his path integral on MO? Is it well defined? No. Why not? Because you haven't defined it. Yes I know, but my functional integral is at least formally defined! How to escape this vicious circle? At which point Feynman path integral was sufficiently well/ill defined to deserve consideration from mathematicians?" CreationDate="2016-04-23T08:53:34.843" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12979" PostId="2852" Score="0" Text="@Emil: Feynman's example added in the body." CreationDate="2016-04-23T09:09:49.177" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12980" PostId="2852" Score="8" Text="Wouldn't Feynman have been responsive to the comments you got? Giving a hint as to what he had in mind, perhaps along the lines described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_integral_formulation#Concrete_formulation -- I don't think he would have left it at &quot;but it's formally defined!&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-23T12:25:17.610" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="12983" PostId="2852" Score="9" Text="It seems to me that you are not using the phrase &quot;formally defined&quot; in a way that I think most mathematicians would use it. For most mathematicians, for something to be be formally defined implies at least that it is defined, and probably defined with respect to some clear axiomatic foundation, hence &quot;formally&quot; defined; but in your case, the basic notion does not yet seem to be defined in any way, either formally or informally. What you have is a vague idea or a metaphor rather than a formal definition. Metaphors and ideas are often valuable, but they are not the same as formal definitions." CreationDate="2016-04-24T01:56:00.320" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="12985" PostId="2852" Score="2" Text="@Joel The word &quot;formal&quot; appears to be used in mathematics with two, almost opposite, meanings. One is the one you explained. The other one is that &quot;formal X&quot; is a symbolic manipulation that superficially has the form of an honest X, but is not actually valid (because prerequisites are not met, or we work with a different kind of objects than we should, etc.). Having said that, the OP is nowhere close to what most mathematicians would consider a &quot;formal definition&quot; even in the second sense." CreationDate="2016-04-24T09:07:14.540" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12986" PostId="2852" Score="1" Text="The question is also formulated in a ridiculously general way that does not seem to have anything to do with what the OP really wants. That includes all the $\beth_i$ nonsense. There are just way too many ways of &quot;summing $\beth_2$ objects&quot;. For example, consider integrals wrt an arbitrary measure on an arbitrary set of that cardinality (the Haar measure on the compact group $(\mathbb Z/2\mathbb Z)^{2^\omega}$ is the first that springs to my mind)." CreationDate="2016-04-24T09:17:32.987" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="12987" PostId="2852" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, I think that one finds the phrase &quot;formal expression&quot; rather than &quot;formal definition&quot; for your second meaning, but I think we are in agreement about the post." CreationDate="2016-04-24T12:19:37.307" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="12992" PostId="2852" Score="0" Text="@Emil and Joel. Emil, your second definition of &quot;formal&quot; is exactly what I have in mind and I agree with Joel that I should better talk about &quot;formal expression&quot; instead of &quot;formal definition&quot;. Could also talk about &quot;symbolic expression&quot;. I will fix this." CreationDate="2016-04-25T08:23:53.347" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12993" PostId="2852" Score="0" Text="@Emil and Todd. Emil, you are referring to my question _Sums, series, integrals. What's next?_  where I give the &quot;concrete&quot; example of the hypothetical sums/means over &quot;Beth2 terms&quot; (I know that's a serious abuse of terminology) I have in mind: &quot;functional mean images&quot; that are symbolically defined in http://mathoverflow.net/questions/232043/whats-the-probability-distribution-of-a-deterministic-signal-functional-integ. I can't see the link with the Haar measures you mention, but if they are supposed to be related, I'd like to know." CreationDate="2016-04-25T08:25:56.683" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12994" PostId="2852" Score="0" Text="@Emil and Todd, I'm not even 100% sure that it is logically required to well-define those &quot;functional mean images&quot; I have in mind in order to well-define and compute the probability distribution(s) of a deterministic signal, which are what I'm really interested in. But without any input about those important probability distributions, I just told to myself that I should better ask first about the hardcore mathematical objects on which they seem to rely." CreationDate="2016-04-25T08:34:56.670" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12984" PostId="2853" Score="2" Text="To supplement this answer: Regarding measures on function spaces, I'd recommend taking a look at Da Prato's *Introduction to Infinite-Dimensional Analysis* and Bogachev's *Gaussian Measures*. (Be warned: This topic is not for the faint of heart.)" CreationDate="2016-04-24T08:57:46.103" UserId="30516" />
  <row Id="12990" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@Christian. Thank you very much for the references. I'm already aware that R^R and other sets of cardinal at least Beth2 I'm considering here are &quot;nasty&quot; and &quot;problematic&quot; from the measure-theoretic point of view." CreationDate="2016-04-25T08:03:22.690" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12995" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@Gerhard for the full line of reasoning/context underlying my question, please see: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/236527/is-there-a-bayesian-theory-of-deterministic-signal-prequel-and-motivation-for-m. For a short version: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/232043/whats-the-probability-distribution-of-a-deterministic-signal-functional-integ" CreationDate="2016-04-25T09:05:44.227" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12996" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@Gerhard, as pointed it out by Emil and Joel, I should better talk about &quot;symbolically defined&quot; or &quot;formal expressions&quot; instead of &quot;formally defined&quot;. Corrected" CreationDate="2016-04-25T09:07:28.753" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12997" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@Gerhard: thank you Beth2 times! You are the first to be kind enough to consider seriously this hypothetical &quot;mean functional image&quot;. Should it be equal to 0 for any $x_0$, it would be perfectly well defined. I would feel good but this would have serious consequences in dynamical system theory. But why should 0 plays any particular role? In particular, any reason why the hypothetical &quot;functional mean image&quot; of $x_0$ cannot be equal to $x_0$ for instance?" CreationDate="2016-04-25T09:17:57.840" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="13001" PostId="2853" Score="5" Text="I think ultimately you want help in defining/understanding/discussing a set of concepts.  MathOverflow is not setup for discussion, it is for asking and answering specific questions.  Lay out a cogent framework, ask a detailed question about a specific point, and the community may respond and may even provide requested references.  The format of your question suggests to me you want a discussion as much as an answer.  That's great, but MathOverflow is not the place for such.  Hopefully the hints I and Christian gave help you.  Gerhard &quot;Ask Me About Not Discussing&quot; Paseman, 2016.04.25." CreationDate="2016-04-25T16:13:04.320" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13002" PostId="2853" Score="2" Text="Wait a minute --- If this previously undefined object were to  be defined to be identically zero, it would have serious consequences in dynamical system theory?  Cool!  I hereby define it to be identically zero.  I always wanted to be a famous dynamical system theorist." CreationDate="2016-04-25T17:01:16.553" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="13004" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@Gerhard: the specific question is here: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/232043/whats-the-probability-distribution-of-a-deterministic-signal-or-how-to-marginal. Unfortunately, I don't get any answer. That's why, in a second step, I've asked for the existence of the low-level mathematical objects (&quot;functional mean images&quot;) on which my high-level objects (probability distributions of deterministic signal) seem to rely." CreationDate="2016-04-26T06:29:19.650" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="13005" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@Steven, if &quot;my&quot; &quot;functional mean images&quot; would be identically zero, then the marginal joint prior probability distribution of a deterministic signal would be identically zero. In particular, it would be invariant under permutation of the chronological order. It can't be so. Please see my specific question: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/232043/whats-the-probability-distribution-of-a-deterministic-signal-or-how-to-marginal" CreationDate="2016-04-26T06:34:49.723" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="13006" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@Steven. After 416 views of my specific, fundamental dynamical systems-theoretic question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/232043/whats-the-probability-distribution-of-a-deterministic-signal-or-how-to-marginal, I haven't received any answer nor comment. Absolutely nothing. That's why I really start to fear that my questions and the mathematical objects I've introduced (some strange looking functional integrals) might pertain to a branch of mathematics (= probabilistic dynamical systems theory???) that is at least not so well known, if it ever exists." CreationDate="2016-04-26T09:51:22.893" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="13007" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@Steven. Assuming that MO members is a representative population of the whole mathematics, by Laplace's rule of succession the probability of the probabilistic theory of dynamical systems (to be already known) is, as of today, equal to $1 - (420+1)/(420+2) = 0.0023$." CreationDate="2016-04-26T10:11:05.707" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="13013" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg, if you want to be a famous dynamical system theorist, study the Collatz conjecture.  Gerhard &quot;That's A Famous Dynamical System&quot; Paseman, 2016.04.26." CreationDate="2016-04-27T04:30:36.923" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13014" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman. Yes, together with Feynman path integrals, the Collatz conjecture provides another good example to illustrate the present situation. In both cases, we are facing easy to formulate, even elementary problems that nobody can solve (or is willing to solve).  Even, *mathematics is not yet ready for such problems* (Erdös). The main difference, however, is that CJ doesn't look to be a fundamental question *per se*. On the contrary, marginalizing dynamical systems is absolutely fundamental because it is the first step towards a probabilistic theory of deterministic signal." CreationDate="2016-04-27T07:25:55.667" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="13015" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman. The fact that nobody (total number of views on MO+MSE+PSE is 666 as of today) can provide any sharp, accurate answer to such an elementary and fundamental question makes me believe that the probability of the probabilistic theory of dynamical system I am considering is in fact well below the one given by Laplace." CreationDate="2016-04-27T07:34:14.460" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="13016" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman. At the beginning, I was expecting somebody to answer me something like &quot;the probability distribution of a deterministic signal is obviously equal to this&quot; or &quot;marginalizing state-space equations is addressed in this paper&quot;, &quot;marginalizing phase spaces is addressed in that paper&quot; or &quot;your functional integrals are in fact well known as this in that theory&quot;. Now, I really fear I will never get any answer like this but I still hope I'm wrong." CreationDate="2016-04-27T07:46:59.343" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="13017" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman. PO was missing in the list. Done. I apologize for this multiple MO+MSE+PO+PSE cross-posting, but 1) my question is somewhere between maths and physics 2) definitely, we must know what's the probability distribution of a deterministic signal, if it ever exists." CreationDate="2016-04-27T10:32:18.503" UserId="88057" />
  <row Id="12998" PostId="2854" Score="0" Text="While I agree that this is problematic, I am not sure if this qualifies as commercial use." CreationDate="2016-04-25T10:19:24.403" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="12999" PostId="2854" Score="10" Text="@TobiasKildetoft: MathOverflow carries advertisements for other StackExchange sites, which are commercial." CreationDate="2016-04-25T10:39:34.193" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="13000" PostId="2854" Score="0" Text="Ahh, good point." CreationDate="2016-04-25T10:42:09.303" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="13003" PostId="2856" Score="17" Text="You may have noticed it's closed now. Even if it's not homework, the *lack of articulation* as to why certain things must be disallowed is a signal that the problem does not really arise in a mathematics research context." CreationDate="2016-04-25T19:28:51.423" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13018" PostId="2856" Score="2" Text="I absolutely agree with @ToddTrimble -  the matter of whether or not it is homework ought to be secondary to the fact that there is no motivation or explanation for the constraints given. Curiously, there are 4 re-open votes listed, yet the question does not seem to be in the re-open queue for me. (I am probably missing something obvious.)" CreationDate="2016-04-27T16:08:23.633" UserId="3651" />
  <row Id="13019" PostId="2856" Score="2" Text="@LasseRempe-Gillen: As to the second sentence of your comment: 3 people have already chosen &quot;leave closed&quot; in the reopen votes review queue, so the review is finished, see [here](http://mathoverflow.net/review/reopen/63717)." CreationDate="2016-04-27T16:38:05.040" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13020" PostId="2856" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks, that makes sense now!" CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:22:09.283" UserId="3651" />
  <row Id="13028" PostId="2856" Score="0" Text="Note that the question has been reopened. Would it be worth voting to &quot;re-close&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-05-02T14:46:09.777" UserId="17836" />
  <row Id="13029" PostId="2856" Score="1" Text="@RamirodelaVega:  In my opinion, the reasons for closing remain exactly as they were, so I would vote to re-close if I could." CreationDate="2016-05-02T14:47:11.670" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="13070" PostId="2856" Score="2" Text="It doesn't look like a homework question to me. (What course would it be?)  It would be nice if some motivation was provided, but as far as I can see nobody ever asked. Then the OP was accused of being &quot;evasive&quot; when he/she wouldn't accept an answer to a different problem. This is all highly unsatisfactory." CreationDate="2016-05-08T03:33:29.060" UserId="9025" />
  <row Id="13071" PostId="2856" Score="1" Text="@BrendanMcKay:  The OP's evasiveness consisted not in refusing to accept an answer, but in refusing to provide motivation when asked.  More particularly, when I asked why he was (apparently arbitrarily) disallowing the use of the $max$ operator, the response was that &quot;it must be done&quot; that way.   To me, this is unambigously evasive.  As to the part about nobody ever asking, I think you must have just overlooked my query." CreationDate="2016-05-08T11:52:15.757" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="13072" PostId="2856" Score="1" Text="@Steven: I read it all again and stand by my comment *in toto*. There is nothing arbitrary in wanting to solve a problem in a particular way, it is an aspect of many problems posed here." CreationDate="2016-05-08T13:08:20.907" UserId="9025" />
  <row Id="13073" PostId="2856" Score="3" Text="It would be helpful, whatever one's own views on the opening or closure of the question, if the OP had ever got back to us. It seems he or she is still viewing or using the site, but has not actively participated since the question was closed" CreationDate="2016-05-08T13:15:56.343" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="15298" PostId="2860" Score="1" Text="Related: [What outgoing migration paths should we have?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/141)" CreationDate="2017-11-26T07:35:16.283" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13008" PostId="2861" Score="1" Text="Thanks. I wonder, why is there a limited number of migration paths? I can see no theoretical or practical way to abuse an unlimited number of paths..." CreationDate="2016-04-26T19:54:22.130" UserId="42864" />
  <row Id="13009" PostId="2861" Score="3" Text="I don't think it's about abuse, but rather HCI and human nature. Cluttering up the current interface with too many sites would be ugly and unwieldy. (Admittedly, the UI could be updated, but this would likely be low on the priority list.) [Jeff Atwood](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/96345) described it as a &quot;Don't Make Me Think barrier&quot;, with the meaning that with too many options users would spend too much time/effort deciding which of many possibilities is _the correct one_." CreationDate="2016-04-26T20:02:45.680" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13021" PostId="2862" Score="0" Text="I think you cannot undo a flag, but a single spam flag has no consequences for the flagged post (it takes 6 spam flags to delete)." CreationDate="2016-04-28T10:30:48.270" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13022" PostId="2862" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks! Actually I now discovered in the related column that this is possibly a duplicate. I think I will remove this question." CreationDate="2016-04-28T10:43:31.107" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13023" PostId="2862" Score="1" Text="Maybe. -- Though it can also be a useful pointer when closed as a duplicate (and not deleted), I think." CreationDate="2016-04-28T10:52:49.997" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13032" PostId="2863" Score="0" Text="Asaf, I'm going to hold off on this, as it seems likely we will move to producing links to Zentralblatt rather than MathSciNet. (If anyone is interested in the details, I'm happy to discuss via email or meta. It's still a (very slow) work in progress.)" CreationDate="2016-05-03T23:49:39.730" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13673" PostId="2863" Score="1" Text="My former commander used to quote his grandmother: temporary things are permanent. :-)" CreationDate="2016-11-22T07:18:44.983" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13705" PostId="2863" Score="1" Text="The relevant snippet of code is `function getCitationHtml(json)` in http://cdn.sstatic.net/js/third-party/citation-helper.js?v=2, and the json you have available is as in [this example](https://ec2.mathoverflow.org/cite?q=Joan%20Bagaria%20and%20Menachem%20Magidor,%20MR%203226024%20On%20%CF%891-strongly%20compact%20cardinals,%20J.%20Symb.%20Log.%2079%20(2014),%20no.%201,%20266--278.). If you'd like to propose a better version, I'm happy to test it and ask to have it deployed." CreationDate="2016-12-08T03:22:11.680" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="28800" PostId="2866" Score="2" Text="In a subsequent paper coauthored with James Wenk, which appeared in Crelle's journal, the optimal bound $4\pi$ was obtained to settle Zalgaller's baseball curve conjecture." CreationDate="2023-06-23T03:04:55.820" UserId="68969" />
  <row Id="13055" PostId="2870" Score="5" Text="Appears for me on main (but apparently not meta) on a Mac running OS X 10.10.5 in latest version on Chrome." CreationDate="2016-05-06T09:51:41.817" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13056" PostId="2870" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts Confirmed - on meta text is white on dark gray background, quite clearly visible" CreationDate="2016-05-06T09:52:32.720" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13057" PostId="2870" Score="6" Text="I'm pretty sure this would count as a bug (I also don't see the text on those buttons on the main site; Chrome 49.something on Windows 10.) The [meta-tag:design] tag should probably be added to this question. (I would do it myself, but my paltry reputation does not allow me.)" CreationDate="2016-05-06T10:11:27.433" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13058" PostId="2870" Score="0" Text="@arjafi Done, thanks for the suggestion!" CreationDate="2016-05-06T10:12:20.550" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13059" PostId="2870" Score="1" Text="I see this problem, too.  Safari 9.1, MacOS 10.11.4" CreationDate="2016-05-06T15:19:45.730" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13060" PostId="2870" Score="4" Text="Here on Meta, I see the &quot;Add Comment&quot; in white, but when I mouse over it, the text disappears..." CreationDate="2016-05-06T15:20:47.360" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13061" PostId="2870" Score="2" Text="On the main site, the black becomes blacker on mouseover, too." CreationDate="2016-05-06T15:40:20.557" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13062" PostId="2870" Score="1" Text="I see this problem, too, with Firefox 45, Windows 7. And also Gerald Edgar's observation." CreationDate="2016-05-06T17:33:26.477" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="13064" PostId="2870" Score="0" Text="I see it here (both for answers and comments) on Chrome 49, Windows 10." CreationDate="2016-05-06T20:27:11.093" UserId="6043" />
  <row Id="13065" PostId="2870" Score="0" Text="Chrome on Windows 7, same problem." CreationDate="2016-05-06T20:38:52.757" UserId="30186" />
  <row Id="13066" PostId="2870" Score="0" Text="Firefox 46 on Ubuntu 12.04, same issue" CreationDate="2016-05-06T22:27:14.953" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="13067" PostId="2870" Score="3" Text="Firefox 45 on Debian Stretch, same problem. I think we can safely say it is independent of both browser and operating system." CreationDate="2016-05-07T02:33:09.020" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="13068" PostId="2870" Score="1" Text="No one mentioned Internet Explorer on Windows.  Is it not used any more?  Or maybe only people with the problem read this thread." CreationDate="2016-05-07T17:05:59.293" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13069" PostId="2870" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar Just tried Microsoft Edge (browser coming with Windows 10) out of curiosity. The &quot;Sign up&quot; button is the same faintly visible black-on-black." CreationDate="2016-05-07T18:01:47.713" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13074" PostId="2870" Score="4" Text="It is certainly a bug: &quot;Indicates you've found an erroneous or unexpected behaviour in the system that needs to be fixed.&quot; Well, it is unexpected and  erroneous and it needs to be fixed." CreationDate="2016-05-08T18:11:28.713" UserId="74951" />
  <row Id="13075" PostId="2870" Score="2" Text="Is there a way to ping the devs? In theory, they should be watching for questions tagged as bug, but clearly they aren't." CreationDate="2016-05-09T09:49:06.910" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13077" PostId="2870" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Not sure if this was a right thing to do but I've used [another question](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2470/new-interface-empty-rectangles-in-the-reputation-column) about a bug to ask  [Kurtis Beavers](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/75292/kurtis-beavers) who provided prompt feedback there." CreationDate="2016-05-09T10:56:02.023" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13078" PostId="2870" Score="3" Text="@EmilJeřábek SE employee activity is usually pretty low over the weekends. Since this question popped up on a Friday, I'm willing to give the devs the benefit of the doubt for now. Lots of [meta-tag:bug] reports come in across the network, and there are a limited number of people looking at them. Admittedly, there probably would be faster turnaround if an SE employee was actually active on MO." CreationDate="2016-05-09T11:05:00.033" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13089" PostId="2870" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek ... So ... do not conclude the devs do not watch here, when it could just be that it is the weekend." CreationDate="2016-05-10T14:03:12.353" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13082" PostId="2871" Score="0" Text="I hope the next production build is soon." CreationDate="2016-05-09T17:15:15.170" UserId="76593" />
  <row Id="13085" PostId="2871" Score="1" Text="@ChrisRamsey Should be corrected now." CreationDate="2016-05-09T20:05:27.200" UserId="86602" />
  <row Id="13086" PostId="2871" Score="0" Text="It is, thank you!" CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:31:21.437" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13080" PostId="2872" Score="1" Text="Does Firefox 14 still exist (this must be quite old)? -- I think the recent version is 46.0. -- Anyway I can reproduce the bug also in Firefox 46.0." CreationDate="2016-05-09T15:31:26.250" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13081" PostId="2872" Score="1" Text="Yes, it exists, and despite that the browser world has gone bananas with version numbers going through the roof, less than four years is NOT old. But yes, I also checked it in a more recent browser as I wrote, it’s just that the logistics of generating screenshots on my tablet is more complicated than on my (arguably old) desktop." CreationDate="2016-05-09T16:25:43.857" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13083" PostId="2872" Score="1" Text="Similar: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1252/alignment-of-tabs-on-profile-page-in-mathoverflow." CreationDate="2016-05-09T17:53:41.843" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="13084" PostId="2872" Score="0" Text="@jeq Eh -- Kind of similar, but for a different reason." CreationDate="2016-05-09T20:04:13.763" UserId="86602" />
  <row Id="13088" PostId="2873" Score="0" Text="All right, thank you." CreationDate="2016-05-10T12:21:33.957" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13090" PostId="2874" Score="8" Text="It's unclear if you're asking any question.  :)" CreationDate="2016-05-10T22:17:08.797" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="13091" PostId="2874" Score="4" Text="@Lucia: I thought it's clear that I'm asking *no* question :)" CreationDate="2016-05-10T22:27:52.133" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13092" PostId="2874" Score="1" Text="Do the moderators or the 10k+ users get a notification when a closed question is edited? Maybe the problem is simply that when the question is edited and clarified it is already buried &quot;below the fold&quot; and no one looks at it to vote for reopening." CreationDate="2016-05-11T10:06:02.240" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="13094" PostId="2874" Score="2" Text="Edits to closed questions bump them to the top of the active question list as usual." CreationDate="2016-05-11T12:37:42.093" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13095" PostId="2874" Score="3" Text="In addition, when a closed question is edited, it is added to the [reopen votes review queue](http://mathoverflow.net/review/reopen) where 3k+ users can decide whether or not to vote to reopen. A question (usually) remains in this queue until it is either reopened or 3 users have chosen &quot;leave closed&quot;." CreationDate="2016-05-11T13:17:43.360" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13098" PostId="2874" Score="4" Text="There is a vote to close as &quot;unclear&quot;. Is this vote ironically cast, or is it for real?" CreationDate="2016-05-12T09:31:19.877" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13107" PostId="2874" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila: yes." CreationDate="2016-05-13T13:10:56.897" UserId="1176" />
  <row Id="13108" PostId="2874" Score="1" Text="@Andrej: Your comment is not constructive! ;-)" CreationDate="2016-05-13T14:42:47.100" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13111" PostId="2874" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: yes." CreationDate="2016-05-14T09:38:56.883" UserId="1176" />
  <row Id="13112" PostId="2874" Score="0" Text="@Andrej: I'm sorry, we were looking for the answer &quot;Well, it's not not constructive, but that doesn't mean it's constructive either.&quot;, but thanks for playing! :-P" CreationDate="2016-05-14T09:44:51.683" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13132" PostId="2874" Score="0" Text="@Stefan Kohl: Which conclusion do you draw out of the data you present?" CreationDate="2016-05-20T19:47:00.920" UserId="62434" />
  <row Id="13133" PostId="2874" Score="0" Text="@Helene Sigloch: I just found it worth pointing out that so few questions closed as &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; are reopened after a clarifying edit. -- I'm not sure whether there is anything one should do about this, and if yes, what." CreationDate="2016-05-20T23:23:30.533" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13439" PostId="2874" Score="1" Text="Often this seems to mean:  &quot;this question does not show the sophistication expected of a research-level mathematician&quot;.  If so, it's no surprise that edits for clarity are unsuccessful." CreationDate="2016-08-27T22:11:33.600" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="13099" PostId="2876" Score="1" Text="...and is this because math.se is going up?  Or is it also going down?" CreationDate="2016-05-12T14:00:14.213" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13100" PostId="2876" Score="2" Text="@GeraldEdgar: I don't know. If one were a master of the data facilities provided by SE (which I am not), your question could be answered." CreationDate="2016-05-12T15:26:06.787" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="13101" PostId="2876" Score="2" Text="@GeraldEdgar: math.se has a much higher volume of Q&amp;A with &lt;5 votes. However, there is a slight decline in voted Q&amp;A: http://data.stackexchange.com/math/query/485296/total-questions-and-answers-per-month-for-the-last-12#graph" CreationDate="2016-05-12T16:12:01.013" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="13102" PostId="2876" Score="4" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Of course, an older Q/A has also had a longer time to accumulate 5/10 upvotes. I've adapted that query to only count upvotes cast within a certain user-specified window of post creation, and it seems much more flat (I've only looked at 7 day and 30 day windows). [Query link](http://data.stackexchange.com/math/query/485311/total-quickly-high-scoring-qa-per-month-for-last-12?upvoteWindow=7#graph)." CreationDate="2016-05-12T18:00:42.120" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13103" PostId="2876" Score="2" Text="Joseph, could you state more clearly whether the graph in your post shows information about MathOverflow or information about cstheory?" CreationDate="2016-05-12T18:11:33.357" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="13104" PostId="2876" Score="1" Text="@arjafi: MO is also mostly flat with a window." CreationDate="2016-05-12T18:35:23.617" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="13105" PostId="2876" Score="2" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: Thanks, I didn't notice the ambiguity until you pointed it out. The graph shows MO activity." CreationDate="2016-05-12T19:19:34.387" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="13106" PostId="2876" Score="1" Text="Here is a link to the Data Explorer query that produced Neal Young's data: [query link](http://data.stackexchange.com/cstheory/query/482464/total-questions-and-answers-per-month-for-the-last-120)." CreationDate="2016-05-12T19:45:13.543" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="13115" PostId="2876" Score="5" Text="Would be interesting to plot this against the dynamics of the number of active users too, if such a thing is available." CreationDate="2016-05-15T20:03:08.383" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13134" PostId="2876" Score="3" Text="The blue does not look like a downward trend from 2014.  Regression lines are often misleading." CreationDate="2016-05-21T00:06:56.590" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="13143" PostId="2876" Score="0" Text="@Kimball Why not? It looks downward to me." CreationDate="2016-05-24T02:44:35.227" UserId="68583" />
  <row Id="15353" PostId="2876" Score="0" Text="I will add that some statistics about questions, answers, votes and traffic can also be found in [site analytics](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics). However, this is only accessible to 25k+ users. For example, some stats about traffic are shown in this answer: [The number of on line users at a given moment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3356#3359)." CreationDate="2017-12-04T11:31:21.333" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13109" PostId="2877" Score="8" Text="This depends on the question. -- The criterion is not whether your question is difficult, but whether it is interesting for the audience on MathOverflow." CreationDate="2016-05-13T15:50:48.710" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13110" PostId="2877" Score="1" Text="Ok, let me just say, that this is some sort of the question being a folklore, for which everybody says &quot;trivial&quot;, but hardly nobody ever done the precise computations rigorously and these can be quite complicated." CreationDate="2016-05-13T17:28:29.463" UserId="24078" />
  <row Id="13113" PostId="2877" Score="2" Text="It's perhaps reasonable, if written well with background explanation etc and why such a thing is good to know, to ask it under the [reference-request] tag." CreationDate="2016-05-14T11:06:34.443" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13114" PostId="2877" Score="3" Text="In my personal experience questions have been well received on MO that didn't get an answer or other helpful response on SE." CreationDate="2016-05-14T13:13:46.590" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="13116" PostId="2878" Score="14" Text="Just a note that the spike in the number of questions in the last &quot;month&quot; is likely due to a number of closed and not-yet-deleted questions. With the [noted reticence of MO users to manually delete questions](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2232), such questions will stick around until the roomba clears them out (often about nine days after closure, though some criteria may push this to 30 days)." CreationDate="2016-05-16T17:27:25.217" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="15354" PostId="2878" Score="1" Text="@user642796 seems like that spike was genuine. It is still not enough evidence to be confident that questions go up while answers go down..." CreationDate="2017-12-04T16:21:10.487" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13119" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="I cannot reproduce this problem. -- Which browser and which operating system do you use? Is it possible that you are using an old browser version (if yes, updating to the recent version may resolve the problem)?" CreationDate="2016-05-17T09:11:24.037" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13120" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="Is it possible you are using an add-on that interferes with the site? Try browsing it with all add-ons disabled." CreationDate="2016-05-17T09:42:41.250" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13121" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="@Stefan Kohl - OS is Windows 7. I use two browsers, Windows 11 and Firefox; both are regularly updated. The curious twist is that math preview diligently works in StackExchange mathematics, where I am moderately active. So where's the root of the problem?" CreationDate="2016-05-17T10:23:16.807" UserId="56721" />
  <row Id="13122" PostId="2879" Score="1" Text="Also, note that MathJax preview can be abysmally slow even when nothing is broken, especially on longish posts with a lot of mathematics. This is a perennial problem, see e.g. http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2210 , http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2657, http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2660 . The last one has an answer suggesting a way to turn the preview on and off, perhaps it could alleviate your problem, too." CreationDate="2016-05-17T11:43:59.910" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13123" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="In case it is a matter of slowness as in Emil's last comment, I find that it becomes especially slow if I'm writing up a post directly into the box, and not so bad if I compile it in an offline editor and then paste it in after I'm satisfied. This is my interpretation: if you're writing it up directly in the box, it's as if the MathJax preview seems to start over from the beginning each time you enter a new character, and especially with lots of math environments the compilation then seems to gum up. If you do it offline first, the preview just compiles it one time after you paste it in." CreationDate="2016-05-17T14:53:39.963" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13124" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="@Todd Trimble - That's precisely what I have done today, when I extended a question on mathoverflow, adding a long text with lots of mathematical inserts. It is rather awkward, because the locally LaTeX-ed typeset text only approximates the actual apearance of the posted text, but I can live with it. I have also noticed that if I hide the live wysiwyg display, by scrolling the page and/or raising the bottom of the window, the refresh algorithm is apparently smart enough that it does not waste processor time by refreshing the typeset text that is out of sight." CreationDate="2016-05-17T15:34:33.243" UserId="56721" />
  <row Id="13128" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="@Joel Reyes Noche - OS is Windows 7. I use two browsers: Internet Explorer Version 11.0.9600.18282IS Update Version 11.0.30 and Firefox 46.0.1. I have the same problem in both." CreationDate="2016-05-20T10:23:12.127" UserId="56721" />
  <row Id="13135" PostId="2885" Score="1" Text="Probably one would then need to disallow `$\displaystyle{...}$` in titles as well(?)" CreationDate="2016-05-22T19:32:51.193" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13137" PostId="2885" Score="4" Text="Why? \displaystyle does *not* make the formula displayed on a separate line, which is the main problem here." CreationDate="2016-05-22T21:11:25.250" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13138" PostId="2885" Score="1" Text="Your SEDE query doesn't catch all questions with titles containing `$$`, but rather all questions whose titles _end_ in `$$`. You should change the `Title LIKE '%$$'` to `Title LIKE '%$$%'`. You only catch a few more questions this way, and all the others use constructs like `$a$$b$` to have two immediately adjacent inline math equations (ugh). (Again, paltry reputation makes it impossible for me to edit this question. Really need to work on that.)" CreationDate="2016-05-23T03:41:28.837" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13139" PostId="2885" Score="0" Text="@arjafi Thanks of notifying me of the mistake. (I have updated the query and the post. Still it does not catch already edited instances, so thanks for your query and for the detailed answer.)" CreationDate="2016-05-23T04:54:31.353" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13156" PostId="2885" Score="0" Text="Speaking of titles, there are a few of them containing [displaystyle](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/491066/questions-with-titles-containing-given-word?word=displaystyle)." CreationDate="2016-05-26T13:58:39.203" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13140" PostId="2890" Score="4" Text="While I agree with the conclusion, the &quot;false positives&quot; with adjacent inline expressions are terrible TeX abuse and need to be fixed no less than actual display math." CreationDate="2016-05-23T07:55:11.297" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13141" PostId="2890" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek Unless you mean that TeX becomes a victim of some form of assault, I'd hardly call them &quot;TeX _abuse_&quot;. Clumsy and inapt usage, sure, and certainly in need of fixing." CreationDate="2016-05-23T09:09:42.657" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13142" PostId="2890" Score="3" Text="*Victim of some form of assault*: Hmm, intent is presumably missing here, but otherwise it sounds about right." CreationDate="2016-05-23T10:25:28.380" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13144" PostId="2890" Score="1" Text="Thanks for your effort to fix the problems!" CreationDate="2016-05-24T09:24:05.103" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13145" PostId="2891" Score="0" Text="I corrected a small typo. Hope you don't mind." CreationDate="2016-05-25T09:54:11.760" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="13146" PostId="2891" Score="0" Text="Thanks for editing. The post is CW - in part to indicate that edits and improvements are welcome." CreationDate="2016-05-25T11:23:46.040" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29331" PostId="2891" Score="0" Text="Is there any reasons why we must include &quot;on the Stack Exchange network&quot;? It feels like useless branding / self-advertising." CreationDate="2023-12-10T13:08:31.883" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="29332" PostId="2891" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni To me this felt like a more precise description which site it is. But the template is [CW](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-wiki/info) - do not hesitate to edit it if you see some ways to improve it." CreationDate="2023-12-10T18:24:04.060" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29333" PostId="2891" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks, but I'd prefer not to edit it before I figure out if there is consensus in this direction." CreationDate="2023-12-10T21:04:15.680" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="13147" PostId="2892" Score="0" Text="Are there any existing questions which for which these tags would be appropriate? Tags cannot exist unless they are attached to questions." CreationDate="2016-05-25T14:40:00.517" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13148" PostId="2892" Score="0" Text="I could have asked a couple of questions, but there haven't been appropriate tags for doing that." CreationDate="2016-05-25T15:57:27.403" UserId="66236" />
  <row Id="13151" PostId="2892" Score="2" Text="How has the lack of tags prevented you from asking the questions?" CreationDate="2016-05-25T19:56:19.780" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="13152" PostId="2892" Score="0" Text="Good question: It hasn't. But if these tags exist, it would be a lot easier to filter questions I am interested in, since I work on specific functional time series." CreationDate="2016-05-25T21:10:59.147" UserId="66236" />
  <row Id="13153" PostId="2892" Score="0" Text="The onus is on you to demonstrate that these tags are actually desirable now. Again, a tag cannot exist without being attached to a question, so unless you can demonstrate on-topic questions existing now that would benefit from having this tag there is little discussion left to have." CreationDate="2016-05-26T04:07:01.147" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13183" PostId="2892" Score="0" Text="E.g. two of my posts (&quot;Hadamard Product (Schurproduct)&quot; &amp; &quot;When is an selfadjoint operatorvalued matrix with positive semidefinite diagonal elements positive semidefinite as well?&quot;). I didn't explicitly mentioned that it has something to do with functional time series, but the ones dealing with functional time series would have noticed why I was asking that immediately and could have given an appropriate answer quicker. &#xA;&#xA;The other reason is that I need these tags for future questions." CreationDate="2016-05-29T17:31:00.187" UserId="66236" />
  <row Id="13149" PostId="2893" Score="0" Text="Thanks for you hint. However, I think the tags should exist, since &quot;Cross Validated&quot; seems to be very focused on application. If you take a look at papers (e.g. from Denis Bosq) dealing with Functional Autoregressive Processes you will see it is an &quot;own world&quot;. It doesn't really fit into &quot;Functional Analysis&quot;, &quot;Statistics&quot; or &quot;Operator Theory&quot;." CreationDate="2016-05-25T16:05:55.757" UserId="66236" />
  <row Id="13247" PostId="2893" Score="0" Text="You need more pros? I would like to get this question answered. Thank you!" CreationDate="2016-06-12T14:19:05.863" UserId="66236" />
  <row Id="13157" PostId="2894" Score="4" Text="+1. And now the answer that I have wanted to give has already been given :)" CreationDate="2016-05-26T15:08:05.830" UserId="27013" />
  <row Id="13158" PostId="2896" Score="13" Text="I think that this question is on topic, and have voted to reopen." CreationDate="2016-05-26T16:39:28.253" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="13159" PostId="2896" Score="4" Text="I think the reason this was closed is because the standards for what is an acceptable question on mathoverflow are *much* higher than it used to be in 2011." CreationDate="2016-05-26T19:48:26.087" UserId="3521" />
  <row Id="13160" PostId="2896" Score="51" Text="@KarlSchwede And I think this kind of crazily high standards explains why I have a number of colleagues who tell me they don't dare ask their questions on MathOverflow. If there is a genuine desire for a walled garden of this sort (keeping away the plebs who think that Gorenstein might be preserved by normalization!), then I'm not going to argue against it, but I wonder if it's really a conscious decision by the community or just a vicious circle that nobody really wants." CreationDate="2016-05-26T21:28:31.233" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="13161" PostId="2896" Score="7" Text="(contd.) Also, it's a serious problem for the standards to change with time considering that old posts remain active indefinitely (and can be edited, commented upon, and answered to, and thus revived; and, I imagine, closed, but this doesn't happen). If the change in standards is desired, then there should be a way to mark old posts as &quot;archived for historical purposes, but no longer up to present standards&quot; or something." CreationDate="2016-05-26T21:34:33.610" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="13162" PostId="2896" Score="0" Text="I think it used to be that reasonable questions asked by ~2nd year graduate students learning their field were on topic  I don't think that's the case any more.  I think there are a lot of reasons for this.  Math stackexchange obviously created a new forum where those questions were appropriate.  I think also there used to be more time before questions were closed.  I think frequently it was that the question was not that good, because the user didn't know the right question to ask.  But sometimes the answers were still great, because the people writing them knew what the right question was." CreationDate="2016-05-27T04:41:02.243" UserId="3521" />
  <row Id="13163" PostId="2896" Score="5" Text="@Gro-Tsen [There are actually is such a way to mark duch questions](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/126587), moderators can lock a question with the text &quot;This question exists because it has historical significance, but it is not considered a good, on-topic question for this site, so please do not use it as evidence that you can ask similar questions here. This question and its answers are frozen and cannot be changed. More info: FAQ.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-05-27T09:35:55.733" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="13164" PostId="2896" Score="19" Text="@KarlSchwede I think that the discussion at http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2399 indicates a consensus that questions asked by ~2nd year graduate students learning their field are still on topic." CreationDate="2016-05-27T11:51:27.290" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="13168" PostId="2896" Score="5" Text="I would be the sort of person to ask such a question, if I came across some more sophisticated algebra in my work than what I was used to. If the question was phrased as a typical 'answer this question because it's on my assignment' then it's just a bad question. If there's context and so on, and background on what the person knows or has found by searching so far, then it's a good question at a slightly lower level than research frontier stuff." CreationDate="2016-05-28T00:25:10.003" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13171" PostId="2896" Score="10" Text="@KarlSchwede what about graduate students learning things *outside* their field, which is what e.g. those in the UK who hope to get postdocs have to do? Not to mention those who have lectureships, but still need to learn such things? I refer people once again to the questions I asked about finite group theory or Lie groups on MO..." CreationDate="2016-05-28T01:04:16.370" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="13182" PostId="2896" Score="6" Text="I actually think we are much too restrictive on what is considered on topic.  However, at least in the subfield of algebraic geometry, I feel that students who ask questions at the level of Hartshorne now subject themselves to near instant closure.  This is of course amusing as most of the original questions here were questions at the level of Hartshorne.  .." CreationDate="2016-05-29T03:22:29.173" UserId="3521" />
  <row Id="13184" PostId="2896" Score="2" Text="@KarlSchwede I understand that you're playing the &quot;devil's advocate&quot;, but Hartshorne does not define what a Gorenstein ring is and I feel that the concept is already, in itself, more advanced than most of what he discusses (although some will, of course, disagree, and &quot;more advanced&quot; is not a well-defined order). So even if we agree that Hartshorne (or GTM books in general) is not advanced enough for MO, (which I think should at least be qualified — as in &quot;depending on how well the question has been researched ahead&quot;), the particular case discussed here goes even beyond that." CreationDate="2016-05-29T19:28:59.787" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="13187" PostId="2896" Score="3" Text="I'm not sure &quot;at the level of Hartshorne&quot; is so well-defined. A basic question about the definition of schemes might warrant closure, but a basic question on the theorem of formal functions sounds already quite different" CreationDate="2016-05-29T23:23:18.513" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="13197" PostId="2896" Score="12" Text="Personally, I don't think even a basic question on schemes would warrant closure (although they certainly are closed now)." CreationDate="2016-05-30T16:36:06.977" UserId="3521" />
  <row Id="13165" PostId="2900" Score="2" Text="I think that ([meta-tag:down-votes]) would be a good tag for this question. (But I do not have sufficient rep to edit posts on meta, which is the reason why I am making this suggestion in a comment.)" CreationDate="2016-05-27T12:17:39.170" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13166" PostId="2900" Score="11" Text="The particular problem with answering the easy questions is that it rewards behaviour we don't want to encourage.  If your question can be answered by spending two minutes on Wikipedia, or trying the first two or three standard examples in the area, then it shouldn't have got as far as MO in the first place." CreationDate="2016-05-27T12:46:02.357" UserId="25485" />
  <row Id="18382" PostId="2900" Score="0" Text="@BenBarber Then instead of down-voting you could explain that question is too easy for MO and delete the question (or vote to delete). I like Dominic suggestion. I would even go further and remove down-voting completely." CreationDate="2019-02-13T08:21:15.533" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18381" PostId="2901" Score="1" Text="I disagree. I think that it should be mandatory to enter comment in case when someone down-voted question. Additionally voting should not be anonymous." CreationDate="2019-02-13T08:18:23.677" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18384" PostId="2901" Score="1" Text="@MarekMitros I am pretty sure that as a long time user you are aware of this, but for the benefit of others I'll add that comments accompanying downvotes have been discussed a few times: [Completely Unexplained Downvotes](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/398), [Should there be Anonymous Comments?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3984), [Can anyone learn anything from a downvote without an accompanying rationale in a comment?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3512), [Down vote without comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2349)." CreationDate="2019-02-13T09:02:30.940" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18386" PostId="2901" Score="0" Text="Regarding &quot;voting should not be anonymous&quot;: [What are reasons for allowing anonymous voting?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/828)" CreationDate="2019-02-13T09:04:23.773" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13167" PostId="2902" Score="36" Text="My opinion is that questions by graduate students are fine on MO.  I conceive of the difference between MO and MSE as essentially the difference between serious graduate students and undergraduates." CreationDate="2016-05-28T00:01:11.623" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="13169" PostId="2902" Score="25" Text="@Joel, where should humorous graduate students post?" CreationDate="2016-05-28T00:25:47.587" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13170" PostId="2902" Score="15" Text="@Joel: unfortunately, the community often seems to disagree. This may not be the view of any individual, or even of many individuals, but collectively we have decided that most questions a graduate student has are not appropriate for MO. And even if they are, graduate students often feel discouraged from asking them." CreationDate="2016-05-28T00:46:15.947" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="13172" PostId="2902" Score="26" Text="I don't think we've collectively decided any such thing. There are a huge number of very successful questions asked here on MO by graduate students, perhaps thousands of such questions. I encourage graduate students everywhere to ask serious well-thought-out questions here on MO that arise naturally in their graduate studies.  We shall all get to consider some interesting mathematics this way." CreationDate="2016-05-28T01:16:19.637" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="13173" PostId="2902" Score="18" Text="@GerryMyerson I guess they shoud post the snarky second comments..." CreationDate="2016-05-28T01:17:40.940" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="13174" PostId="2902" Score="3" Text="Some related discussion at meta.math.SE: [Postgrad Mathematics](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/6420/postgrad-mathematics) (which mentions a short-lived area51 proposal), [Concern about lesser attention towards relatively advanced questions](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/11936/concern-about-lesser-attention-towards-relatively-advanced-questions), [Would splitting the site into more elementary and more advanced questions help?](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/9239/would-splitting-the-site-into-more-elementary-and-more-advanced-questions-help)." CreationDate="2016-05-28T02:07:03.893" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13175" PostId="2902" Score="2" Text="@Martin: thanks, those discussions are very relevant indeed. My [selection biased?] impression is that the issue is acknowledged, but perhaps my proposal (which apparently is not a new idea) is not the correct solution." CreationDate="2016-05-28T03:02:17.223" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="13178" PostId="2902" Score="2" Text="I feel that the issue has not been addressed appropriately. However, this solution has been proposed in the past, often with the same conclusion. This is cause for me to vote to close the question at this time. (Technical note: it is not a duplicate, because all occurrences of this proposal are on meta.MSE)" CreationDate="2016-05-28T03:47:56.260" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="13179" PostId="2902" Score="7" Text="As far as I have seen, if you are asking questions not to get solutions, and you've shown your efforts and explained where you got stuck, then your question will be well received. If you don't, then you run the risk of having it closed and/or downvoted and not answered." CreationDate="2016-05-28T04:54:41.970" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13181" PostId="2902" Score="23" Text="I don't see a need for a site in between MO and Math.SE for graduate students. -- Interesting questions by graduate students are definitely on-topic on MO, and for the 'rest' (e.g. textbook exercises, questions regarding the understanding of some standard definitions, etc.) there is still Math.SE." CreationDate="2016-05-28T21:57:19.287" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13194" PostId="2902" Score="8" Text="I've always thought (and have repeatedly advocated that) the threshold for MO should be &quot;could a strong second-year graduate student ask this question?&quot; This is the most generous interpretation of &quot;research-level&quot; that I think is possible, and I think (not coincidentally) the most beneficial interpretation for the MO community to take." CreationDate="2016-05-30T14:14:04.390" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="13219" PostId="2902" Score="6" Text="Graduate students should use mathoverflow so that they can get to know the larger mathematical community outside of their own university. Furthermore, there are plenty of good graduate students who have asked and answered many questions here on mathoverflow. Not only can graduate students ask interesting questions but sometimes the best person to answer a certain MO question is a graduate student because that graduate student may have some specialized knowledge or may simply be more interested in the question than other mathoverflow users." CreationDate="2016-06-02T05:44:24.190" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="13220" PostId="2902" Score="4" Text="I though would also encourage graduate students to both ask and answer questions here on mathoverflow instead of just asking questions. I think we can all agree that it is not good for someone to only ask questions here on mathoverflow but to attempt to answer questions at a similar rate as one asks questions. One estimate between MSE and MO level graduate students is if the graduate student is able to answer at least some good mathoverflow questions." CreationDate="2016-06-02T05:45:34.757" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="13242" PostId="2902" Score="0" Text="there are declared charters/ scope, and then there is voting/ emergent community feedback/ dynamics, and these are not always the same thing, and it seems sometimes a lot of dialog/ discussion on this tends to miss that. there also exists a kind of &quot;SE culture&quot;. here is a vaguely similar meta discussion on cstheory that mentions (eg in comments) too much rigor/ intimidation for graduate students where it might be affecting overall community involvement/ engagement. [is interesting activity on cstheory declining?](http://meta.cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/2947/)" CreationDate="2016-06-05T17:03:34.300" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="13230" PostId="2903" Score="2" Text="The split into two (MO and M.se) would itself not be possible nowadays, so a third site is pretty clearly impossible." CreationDate="2016-06-03T05:35:11.273" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="13188" PostId="2904" Score="3" Text="What if I don't raise my hand, but just wait for a lull, then cut in with my question?" CreationDate="2016-05-30T04:01:53.817" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13654" PostId="2904" Score="0" Text="(3) the experts of the domain are happy to share their knowledge with the students" CreationDate="2016-11-05T06:06:11.980" UserId="84768" />
  <row Id="13185" PostId="2905" Score="6" Text="I think a question asking for the explanation of an entire paper is rather not suitable for the format of this site." CreationDate="2016-05-29T22:49:04.360" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13186" PostId="2905" Score="5" Text="I'm not sure I've ever set eyes on that paper (I might have, but reading Lawvere generally takes persistence and effort and I don't think I've spent any real time on it). Your meta question is a little tricky from a precedent-setting perspective: I can tell that *you* are serious, but there is potential for abuse if it were coming from a different type of learner. I almost want to suggest that you try your luck at the nForum instead. There's a good chance that someone like Urs Schreiber has spent some time on it." CreationDate="2016-05-29T22:50:46.443" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13190" PostId="2905" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I've never used the nForum before, and I'm low level, so I feel my inputs would be almost spam there. Would it be reasonable to send Urs Schreiber a polite email?" CreationDate="2016-05-30T08:26:54.287" UserId="69037" />
  <row Id="13191" PostId="2905" Score="1" Text="Did you look at the page https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/space+and+quantity, or the paper http://www.emis.de/journals/TAC/reprints/articles/8/tr8.pdf?  The former describes the latter as &quot;a kind of review&quot; of &quot;Categories of space and quantity&quot;" CreationDate="2016-05-30T08:41:24.413" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="13192" PostId="2905" Score="0" Text="@NeilStrickland I tried reader the latter a while ago without much success. I'll try agani. Thanks." CreationDate="2016-05-30T09:12:45.270" UserId="69037" />
  <row Id="13195" PostId="2905" Score="6" Text="I assure you that your honest questions at the nForum would be welcomed, especially any that you can formulate in response to reading the nLab page that Neil mentioned. The nLab is (in principle) meant to be readable for a very general audience, and feedback on what people find hard to read is useful (and very far from spam). You could try writing Urs privately as well; if you do, consider giving him permission to quote from your email at the nForum. Finally, we're all human beings here, trying to learn from each other." CreationDate="2016-05-30T14:40:27.180" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13245" PostId="2905" Score="0" Text="`&quot;what is the essence of this article by Lawvere?&quot;` I don't know, but shouldn't this type of request usually be answered by looking at reviews, e.g. on Mathematical Reviews (MathSciNet) or zbMATH (Zentralblatt)?" CreationDate="2016-06-07T20:24:33.333" UserId="11084" />
  <row Id="13189" PostId="2906" Score="3" Text="There's nobody guiding my studies, and I don't really have anyone I can ask category theory (not to mention philosophical aspects of it). I am really not reading this paper in relation with any problem and do just want to get an understanding of Lawvere's philosophy. I guess I'm at an impasse for now." CreationDate="2016-05-30T08:25:29.653" UserId="69037" />
  <row Id="13196" PostId="2906" Score="0" Text="You don't have to be at an impasse.  There are other people and other ways to ask.  MathOverflow is not the forum for discussion though.  You may find other Internet resources to help.  Use MathOverflow for specific pointed questions.  Gerhard &quot;Study Groups Are Out There&quot; Paseman, 2016.05.30." CreationDate="2016-05-30T15:36:54.517" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13206" PostId="2906" Score="1" Text="For what purposes did Lawvere write the paper?" CreationDate="2016-05-31T07:53:37.807" UserId="69037" />
  <row Id="13210" PostId="2906" Score="0" Text="I haven't read the paper, so I don't know.  Having seen glimpses of some of his work, my guess is he wanted to record a collection of ideas for the use of himself and others.  At a certain level, it is important to get the technical details down and leave the pedagogy (and peer review of the ideas) for future generations.  I could say &quot;You're not ready to read it.&quot;, but that might be wrong.  I think it is safe to say there are many who are not ready to read it.  Gerhard &quot;Isn't Ready To Read It&quot; Paseman, 2016.05.31." CreationDate="2016-05-31T19:15:30.133" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13213" PostId="2906" Score="7" Text="To work ones way into Lawvere's ideas, it may help to start with his textbooks _Conceptual Mathematics_ and _Sets for Mathematics_.  Diving straight into his papers is bound to be difficult. But they are extremely rewarding.  At least the ones I've understood so far.  :-)" CreationDate="2016-05-31T21:50:34.610" UserId="2893" />
  <row Id="13211" PostId="2909" Score="4" Text="Thanks for the explanation. I agree that sometimes a series of questions from a single user can indicate a trend which isn't evident when an individual question is read in isolation" CreationDate="2016-05-31T20:07:16.290" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="13226" PostId="2909" Score="4" Text="As there are frequently questions which are not off-topic&#xA;but whose exposition is poor, I think it would be good if there&#xA;would be a close reason which reflects this. The text in&#xA;the &quot;close box&quot; attached to such question could read e.g.&#xA;&quot;The exposition of this question appears to fall below the standards of&#xA;the site. Please edit the question to improve its formulation and / or&#xA;its layout, add any missing definitions or other information to make the&#xA;question self-contained and correct any grammar- and spelling mistakes.&#xA;Avoid copy/pasted or scanned text from third-party sources.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-06-02T19:25:42.547" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13237" PostId="2909" Score="9" Text="The mouse-over text for the downvote on a question is &quot;This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful&quot;.  Poor research is explicitly a cause for downvoting, not closing." CreationDate="2016-06-04T03:50:30.877" UserId="41862" />
  <row Id="13227" PostId="2912" Score="5" Text="A filtering system would only be as good as the tagging, and it is not clear to me that users will tag their own question correctly (or indeed tag other people's questions correctly)." CreationDate="2016-06-02T22:46:40.993" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="13229" PostId="2912" Score="5" Text="Also (as discussed before), SE websites discourage the use of meta-tags. See for example the [help centre](http://mathoverflow.net/help/tagging)." CreationDate="2016-06-03T02:01:06.240" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="13231" PostId="2912" Score="4" Text="@YemonChoi I don't see it as a specific downside of my proposal, but as a more general issue: we'd have the same problem if you replace &quot;tag&quot; with &quot;SE site&quot;. Often users don't post their question to the correct site, and we rely on high-rep users and moderators to correct them." CreationDate="2016-06-03T07:03:26.783" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="13232" PostId="2912" Score="3" Text="What possible benefit would this bring to MO?  It certainly has downsides (e.g. a much lower signal to noise ratio).  There is a reason I don't participate on math.se..." CreationDate="2016-06-03T14:55:51.843" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="13233" PostId="2912" Score="3" Text="@AndyPutman &quot;What benefits would this bring to MO&quot; seems a strange point of view to me: I could not care less about MO as an abstract entity. Better question: what benefits would it bring to you and me as users? I'd love an automatic system that aggregates the most interesting questions (based on my favorite tags and activity) that are currently scattered along five separate sites. It would let me find the good stuff more easily. It would eliminate the reason why you don't participate on math.se, for instance." CreationDate="2016-06-03T21:01:12.077" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="13234" PostId="2912" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni: I very much doubt that I would be interested in questions at math.se or the other sites.  Given how poorly people use tags, combining the sites would definitely force me to wade through many more poor questions than I do now (though probably I would just get fed up and leave).  What is more, I *really* do not want eg the math.se people voting/commenting on the questions and answers at MO.  There are so many of them that they would quickly overwhelm the knowledgeable users." CreationDate="2016-06-03T22:30:55.003" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="13235" PostId="2912" Score="2" Text="@Andy, given the 101 association bonus for users of multiple SE sites, &quot;the math.se people voting/commenting on the questions and answers at MO&quot; is already possible now. (Certainly, I'm one such user.)" CreationDate="2016-06-04T00:31:22.453" UserId="7934" />
  <row Id="13238" PostId="2912" Score="0" Text="Setting aside a bit unclear phrase *math.SE people*, the issues pointed out in @AndyPutman's comment are more closely related to some older discussions at meta.MO, such as [The Association Bonus](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/435/the-association-bonus) and [Measures to separate math overflow from the rest of the stack exchange network](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1305/measures-to-separate-math-overflow-from-the-rest-of-the-stack-exchange-network)." CreationDate="2016-06-04T06:37:06.077" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13239" PostId="2912" Score="2" Text="&quot;I'd love an automatic system that aggregates the most interesting questions (based on my favorite tags and activity) that are currently scattered along five separate sites.&quot; There is a cross-site filtering system. Here is one I set up for myself focussing on geometry: [link](http://stackexchange.com/filters/24545/geometryetc). Here is some explanation of [Tag Sets](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/tag-sets-on-stack-exchange/)." CreationDate="2016-06-04T12:52:37.287" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="13240" PostId="2912" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman I don't find most MSE questions too interesting either, and rarely use it (not that I'm a heavy MO user either), but occasionally there are questions I like.  So I wouldn't say the site is completely useless to &quot;senior&quot; mathematicians, though I agree there is too much &quot;noise&quot; to make me want to browse MSE." CreationDate="2016-06-04T19:58:25.693" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="13241" PostId="2912" Score="0" Text="@Kimball There were some suggestions on how to find interesting questions on Math.SE. This is not exactly related to this discussion, so I have [posted some that I am aware of in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2016/6/5). (We can continue this discussion there, if needed.)" CreationDate="2016-06-05T09:15:20.393" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13246" PostId="2918" Score="0" Text="Now seems to be fixed." CreationDate="2016-06-09T11:56:25.357" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="13249" PostId="2919" Score="5" Text="I think the &quot;level&quot; of a question is not the right parameter here. --&#xA;The required minimum &quot;level&quot; of a question on MO is not that high,&#xA;and at times there are also well-received soft questions with not&#xA;much concrete mathematical content at all. What is probably rather&#xA;the issue here is how a question is formulated, and I think it is&#xA;not without reason that the community usually doesn't like questions&#xA;which are written down like on a personal piece of scrap paper (regardless of &quot;level&quot;)." CreationDate="2016-06-13T20:27:31.073" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13319" PostId="2919" Score="1" Text="I second Stefan. I personally haven't seen any technical question above undergraduate level which is well written and shows at least some effort on the part of the author to find an answer that is not well treated. The issue I think many new comers don't know how to write a clear concise question demonstrating at least a bit of personal effort to find an answer. (Soft questions from new comers are treated more harshly and have to satisfy higher expectations, but that I think is intentional.)" CreationDate="2016-06-28T07:49:43.017" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="20100" PostId="2919" Score="0" Text="@Kaveh I feel like I have seen some in the recent years (though &quot;above undergraduate&quot; is hard to define; in terms of triviality or in terms of it being a part of the standard curriculum)." CreationDate="2019-05-20T07:40:22.280" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="13252" PostId="2922" Score="0" Text="I usurped your label in my answer..." CreationDate="2016-06-15T14:38:02.077" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13253" PostId="2922" Score="1" Text="Ah, it was the $\verb|\tag|$ command I was missing. Just using $\verb|\label|$ and $\verb|\eqref|$ as in a standard $\mathrm{\LaTeX}$ document wasn't working for me. Thanks a lot!" CreationDate="2016-06-15T14:45:02.403" UserId="11211" />
  <row Id="13254" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="Your last paragraph raises an important point to have in mind. It makes sense, since it means MathJax works as if the whole page were a single $\mathrm{\LaTeX}$ document. However, we are only able to &quot;see&quot; the labels of other people if we enter the edit window of the corresponding post. This may be a source of confusion - perhaps a &quot;mouseover&quot; feature would help?" CreationDate="2016-06-15T14:49:10.267" UserId="11211" />
  <row Id="13255" PostId="2923" Score="1" Text="Oops, your equation is not being displayed correctly. I tried to edit a MO answer of mine to include cross referencing and the same thing is happening to me. It seems that the `\label` command alone is doing this (i.e. removing `\eqref` does not solve it), even if it is the only cross reference in the page (so it's not due to a conflict between labels). Curiously, this bug doesn't show up in the preview of the edit window. Even more curiously, Emil's answer doesn't have this problem, even if I copied his commands verbatim in my post. Would it be the case to add a &quot;bug&quot; tag to the question...?" CreationDate="2016-06-15T15:24:49.103" UserId="11211" />
  <row Id="13256" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="Emil's answer is now above mine, so HIS is displayed correctly and mine is not.  However my link now goes to his equation!" CreationDate="2016-06-15T15:27:16.573" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13257" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="But it's still strange - why is your first equation not being formatted? In my MO answer I tried to edit to incorporate this feature, the same thing happens even if it's the only equation in the page being referenced." CreationDate="2016-06-15T15:28:47.933" UserId="11211" />
  <row Id="13258" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="It seems if a given label already exists, then formatting fails.  In normal LaTeX, if you put in a duplicate label, you just get a warning in the log file.  Mathjax has no log file, so when something is wrong, it does not format the equation." CreationDate="2016-06-15T15:32:03.240" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13259" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="OK, but in my case I know for sure there is *no* other equation label in the page. Changing the name of the label doesn't work either." CreationDate="2016-06-15T15:32:52.077" UserId="11211" />
  <row Id="13260" PostId="2923" Score="2" Text="It actually works fine, but you (and you only) may see it corrupted due to the fact that the MathJax script running on the page first saw and learned the label in the preview window, and erroneously thinks that the same label on the final version of the page is a duplicate label. Just reload the page to force the script to restart from a clean state when this happens." CreationDate="2016-06-15T16:39:28.153" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13261" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="@EmilJerabek Hmm, you're right, all formulas render just fine on my smartphone. Thanks!" CreationDate="2016-06-15T17:43:18.050" UserId="11211" />
  <row Id="13264" PostId="2923" Score="3" Text="Perhaps there should be a convention to use the same symbols for the label as for the tag (since you have to give the tag explicitly anyway).  So `\tag{1}\label{1}` or `\tag{grz}\label{grz}.  Then you don't have to look at the code to see what label to use." CreationDate="2016-06-16T00:50:06.150" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="13265" PostId="2923" Score="1" Text="@DavideCervone : I think that's a great suggestion! I am also wondering if it wouldn't be helpful in MathJax to obsolete `\label` (since you won't want to  label and refer to untagged questions) and redefine `\tag` to take an optional argument so `\tag{#1}` mapsto (what is currently) `\tag{#1}\label{#1}` while `\tag[#1]{#2}` maps to `\tag{#2}\label{#1}`?" CreationDate="2016-06-16T15:02:10.997" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="13266" PostId="2923" Score="4" Text="I think differences between MathJax and LaTeX syntax should be minimized." CreationDate="2016-06-16T16:05:57.507" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13267" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong, I agree with Gerald, we don't want to make more changes to standard TeX than are already in MathJax.  People want to be able to copy expressions from here directly into LaTeX papers, and such changes would make that harder to do.  The reason LaTeX has two separate macros is that LaTeX is set up to number equations automatically (so you rarely use `\tag`), and also because `\label` can be used on things other than equations (like headers, figures, etc.).  It looks redundant here, but isn't in LaTeX itself." CreationDate="2016-06-17T12:33:29.560" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="13268" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="@DavideCervone: I am fully aware of the reasons for distinct commands in LaTeX, which is why I specified &quot;in MathJax&quot; in my comment. Furthermore, precisely because `\label` and `\ref` are &quot;general purpose&quot; TeX commands that one has the reason to expect that they behave differently in MathJax then in LaTeX. (Similar to `\newcommand` or any of the non-existent text-mode only commands.) And no one will be able to directly copy-paste code with &quot;references&quot; anyway from a LaTeX document: `\ref` and `\eqref` are almost never used in Mathmode but in MathJax you need to surround them by `$...$`." CreationDate="2016-06-17T14:23:01.530" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="13269" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="On the other hand, looking through the MathJax docs again, I see one much more reasonable objection to doing this, which is the fact apparently [automatic equation numbering is available](http://docs.mathjax.org/en/latest/tex.html#automatic-equation-numbering). This would make it bad to obsolete `\label`. Still, what about a `*` form of `\tag` that does what I described? This will not break code that already use `\label`." CreationDate="2016-06-17T14:27:36.053" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="13270" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong, Note that `\ref` and `\eqref` do `not` need to be surrounded by math delimiters (just as `\begin{x}...\end{x}` don't).  As for `\tag*`, that already has a meaning (a tag without the parentheses), so that is not available. Also, I didn't mention copying from LaTeX to here, I said copying from here to a LaTeX document.  I'm not sure why you expect `\label` and `\ref` to act differently in MathJax than in LaTeX (is there a missing &quot;not&quot;?); for example `\hbox` is general purpose, so do you expect it to work differently in MathJax.  I'm afraid I'm missing something." CreationDate="2016-06-17T20:03:18.887" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="13271" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="As for `\newcommand`, are you referring to the fact that is must be in math mode?  What it *does* hasn't changed (only where it appears), while your suggestion for `\tag` changes what *it* does. So I guess I don't understand the argument." CreationDate="2016-06-17T20:04:37.217" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="13272" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="@DavideCervone: Fair enough, I wasn't aware you can use `\ref` etc outside of dollar signs. My point is that the purpose of MathJax is to implement a way to present mathematics in browsers, so there's no reason to expect/demand that non &quot;mathematics&quot; things happen the same way as, well, anything else. Or, as some years ago we repeatedly emphasize: &quot;MathJax =/= LaTeX&quot;. I agree that the syntax shouldn't be changed to be different just for fun, but when there is a benefit for the users. (Benefit is in the eye of the beholder, of course.)" CreationDate="2016-06-17T21:13:23.997" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="13273" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="@DavideCervone: Basically, I feel that the &quot;we must keep everything exactly the same as LaTeX&quot; argument only makes sense if we are talking about LaTeXJax and not MathJax. // That said, I don't feel _that_ strongly about it to argue more. // In regards to `\newcommand`, isn't it still the case that it can clobber existing commands (and other user defined ones) with no sanity checking? Or has that been fixed since I last checked?" CreationDate="2016-06-17T21:15:32.880" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="13274" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong, ah, I had forgotten about that.  No that is still the same.  I didn't mean to be arguing, I was trying to understand.  But no matter.  Thanks for clearing up the `\newcommand` issue." CreationDate="2016-06-17T22:27:39.783" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="13275" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="And now it appears to be fully visible--both on the main page and the aforementioned tag lists. Strange..." CreationDate="2016-06-18T16:46:36.427" UserId="54316" />
  <row Id="13276" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="Strange indeed. I saw exactly what you saw." CreationDate="2016-06-18T17:47:07.743" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13277" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="For how long was your question not visible on the &quot;newest&quot; list? -- According to my observations, it seems that a question often appears there only once 5 minutes or so have passed (the time during which one can make changes without producing a new revision)." CreationDate="2016-06-18T18:39:08.183" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13278" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl At least an 45 minutes to 1 hour." CreationDate="2016-06-18T20:22:42.740" UserId="54316" />
  <row Id="13279" PostId="2927" Score="0" Text="The AMS mathematics subject classification draws the line between lower separation axioms and higher separation axioms at complete regularity. I agree with the AMS classification that complete regularity (instead of Hausdorff) is the correct point at which to draw the line between lower separation axioms and higher separation axioms. I cannot think of very many naturally occuring topological spaces which are Hausdorff but not completely regular though." CreationDate="2016-06-19T05:20:41.470" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="13281" PostId="2927" Score="4" Text="I’d say that regardless of what the original poster cares for, *some* users will surely be interested in higher separation axioms. So, an example satisfying more separation axioms is always useful additional information and you should post it." CreationDate="2016-06-19T12:39:11.387" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13282" PostId="2927" Score="0" Text="I never saw a problem with omnipresent points (read: dense singletons). It's not weird. If anything, it's weird that we're making a big deal out of this. I mean, everything infinite is *inherently weird*. (Sorry, I had to vent... :P)" CreationDate="2016-06-19T22:24:01.343" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13284" PostId="2927" Score="0" Text="I have no problem with spaces that are not Hausdorff either since there are many very nice topological spaces which are not Hausdorff. That being said, saying property A+regular$\rightarrow$property B is vastly different than saying property A$\rightarrow$ property B for all topological spaces. I would even venture to say that completely regular spaces are much more similar to completely regular frames (frames are point-free topological spaces) than completely regular spaces are to non-Hausdorff spaces." CreationDate="2016-06-20T01:51:12.033" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="13303" PostId="2927" Score="0" Text="Do you often find there to be any ambiguity?  I usually find I can tell from the flavor of the question whether it's asked from the point of view of analysis / algebraic geometry / order theory / etc.  If it's unclear, surely it's easy enough to add a comment like &quot;I assume you want the space to be Hausdorff?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-06-26T02:50:50.167" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="13312" PostId="2927" Score="0" Text="I find this ambiguity often enough for me to comment on it especially for questions of the form &quot;Does there exist a space X that satisfies this special property&quot; where the asker is asking the question out of curiosity." CreationDate="2016-06-28T05:57:40.367" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="13285" PostId="2930" Score="4" Text="I miss quid from these discussions..." CreationDate="2016-06-20T15:34:30.753" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="13287" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="For me, [tag:topology] says &quot;2 questions tagged *topology*&quot;, but only one is shown." CreationDate="2016-06-20T21:06:11.850" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13288" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: you can see the other question in the RSS feed for the tag. It got some downvotes and was removed by the author, but not before being included in the feed, which is what gets counted." CreationDate="2016-06-20T22:04:33.007" UserId="18086" />
  <row Id="13289" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="Ah, the second one is [this deleted question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/242667/constructing-an-l2-space-on-the-unit-ring-mathcals1). -- I wonder why deleted questions are counted, but not listed." CreationDate="2016-06-21T12:13:51.913" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13290" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl This is only tangential to the issue at hand. But since I was curious too, I have asked at meta.SE: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/280473/when-are-deleted-questions-counted-among-tagged-questions" CreationDate="2016-06-21T12:16:02.860" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13291" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="Meanwhile the count appears to have been corrected." CreationDate="2016-06-21T12:23:36.510" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13292" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="As I do not have 10k+ reputation I cannot view deleted questions. Just out of curiosity, can you checke whether the deleted question has been retagged or whether it was corrected independently of this @StefanKohl? Thanks!" CreationDate="2016-06-21T12:25:06.393" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13293" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="The question was not retagged, and has still the topology tag." CreationDate="2016-06-21T12:32:55.073" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13294" PostId="2931" Score="4" Text="The first question is not at all a stupid question (I don't have an opinion on the second, as it is not an area of current interest to me), but I don't think it's going to be good for MO. I think for me the challenge in answering the first at Math.SE is how to pitch an answer that would fit in meaningfully with (my rough estimate of) your background and also with the intuition you are trying to convey. There are probably lots of different types of responses which would go off in various directions, but I imagine not all of them would pack the same punch for you." CreationDate="2016-06-21T19:20:37.627" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13295" PostId="2931" Score="3" Text="BTW there exist the tags ([meta-tag:math-stackexchange]) and ([meta-tag:cross-posting]) on this meta; if you consider some of those two tags relevant for you question, you should add it. I am not sure whether you did this on purpose, but in both cases you have linked to comments instead of to the questions." CreationDate="2016-06-21T19:37:13.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13296" PostId="2931" Score="8" Text="+1 for waiting a week.  Some people panic if their question is not answered in 1 hour..." CreationDate="2016-06-22T12:13:46.330" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13305" PostId="2931" Score="2" Text="To me (a non-expert in either question) it seems you are doing exactly the right thing - looking for answers to mathematics questions with a high chance that somebody in this community can answer (there is no requirement that a question be open, in fact this probably means it's too hard) and would be of interest to researchers expert in some but not other fields of mathematics.  You are waiting before cross-posting and will cross-link.  So, go ahead.  What is the worst that can happen?" CreationDate="2016-06-27T13:09:01.960" UserDisplayName="user25199" />
  <row Id="13327" PostId="2931" Score="0" Text="Don't forget http://stats.stackexchange.com, if you have statistics questions..." CreationDate="2016-06-30T04:43:50.643" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13297" PostId="2932" Score="1" Text="See [How do I delete an accidentally created tag?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/844/how-do-i-delete-an-accidentally-created-tag) In short, if the tag is removed from all questions, you do not need to do anything else. Simply leave it to the tag removal script which removes tags with zero questions once in 24 hours." CreationDate="2016-06-22T15:09:16.590" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13298" PostId="2933" Score="7" Text="I agree that [tag:topology] → [tag:gn.general-topology] is a reasonable synonym, and would be happy to create that." CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:23:04.813" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13299" PostId="2934" Score="3" Text="For the three most recent instances, it seems to me that &quot;general topology&quot; was an acceptable replacement. Off-hand, my feeling is that there's not much of a danger: in the (probably) rare cases where &quot;general topology&quot; was a misnomer, the tag could be edited on an ad hoc basis." CreationDate="2016-06-24T11:51:03.473" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13335" PostId="2934" Score="0" Text="Related discussion in chat: http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/reappearance-of-topology-tag" CreationDate="2016-07-02T10:47:15.573" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13336" PostId="2934" Score="1" Text="Martin, I had read the discussion you and quid were having. I am fine with the idea of just killing off the tag if and when it appears." CreationDate="2016-07-02T11:30:52.747" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15284" PostId="2934" Score="0" Text="As mentioned by [François G. Dorais in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2017/8/23), there is currently a synonym (topology) $\to$ (gn.general-topology). Based on his comment, it seems to be a test to see whether this will lead to some incorrectly tagged questions or not." CreationDate="2017-11-21T09:45:51.297" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13304" PostId="2936" Score="4" Text="Is the period a policy of MO, or of the entire SE system?" CreationDate="2016-06-27T12:20:48.130" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13307" PostId="2936" Score="14" Text="If changing bounty rules either on a per-site basis or SE-wide is in any way realistic, why not rather completely remove the time limit and let bounties persist until there is a satisfactory answer?" CreationDate="2016-06-27T13:36:02.017" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13308" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="@Stefan  that is a very good suggestion." CreationDate="2016-06-27T13:43:12.033" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="13309" PostId="2936" Score="10" Text="I think it is also relevant in this context that you already offered bounties worth a total of 5150 points." CreationDate="2016-06-27T14:20:15.420" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13318" PostId="2936" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl. This is a system wide thing. Would they make it possible to have per site overrides for this? I guess not, it is not a big deal and wouldn't justify the work. Would they change it for the whole system? I don't know. It is very unlikely that they would completely remove the expiration period, the point of bounties is to draw _extra attention_. If the bounties do not expire or expire after a very long time it would defeat their purpose. They have put an expiration period so we don't end up with unreasonably large number of featured questions, particularly on big sites like [SO]." CreationDate="2016-06-28T07:39:10.287" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="13329" PostId="2936" Score="3" Text="@Kaveh  A possible resolution: The bounty would not be expired at all but appearence in feature questions would end after 2 or 3 weeks." CreationDate="2016-06-30T11:31:28.803" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="13330" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="You can simulate a 3-week bounty by using successive bounties, one after the other.  I think you have to double the size for each new bounty." CreationDate="2016-06-30T13:37:42.757" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13337" PostId="2936" Score="3" Text="Related feature request on meta.SE: [Allow high reward bounties to be longer bounties](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/178925/allow-high-reward-bounties-to-be-longer-bounties)" CreationDate="2016-07-02T12:16:36.993" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13339" PostId="2936" Score="4" Text="[This SEDE query](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/196596/bounty-stats-what-can-a-bounty-do-for-you) might be interesting in connection with bounties. It compares some stats between all questions and question with bounties (for example, average number of views). I have learned about this query [from here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/20155/how-effective-are-bounties/20186#20186)." CreationDate="2016-07-02T12:20:33.093" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13345" PostId="2936" Score="3" Text="Only tangentially related to the questions, but it adds some more information to @StefanKohl's comment: SEDE query [Top 20 most generous users (bounties awarded in total)](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/revision/209184/272413/top-20-most-generous-users-bounties-awarded-in-total)." CreationDate="2016-07-07T06:18:48.247" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13346" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="On MO, how much effect do the bounties really have? Are they associated with the best questions and/or answers?" CreationDate="2016-07-09T01:31:44.610" UserId="8008" />
  <row Id="13352" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak A similar query is [Users by total bounty given](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/344526/users-by-total-bounty-given). Any appearance of self-interest in having written that query is entirely coincidental." CreationDate="2016-07-12T14:50:06.593" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="13444" PostId="2936" Score="1" Text="@AliTaghavi On math.SE I suggested creating a chat room for advertising bounties, see [here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/23647/could-list-of-unresolved-past-bounties-be-useful/23715#23715) for details. Originally I wanted to wait how this works on that site and mention it here only then, but the room is inactive since the creation :-(" CreationDate="2016-08-29T06:23:11.507" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13445" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Thanks I enter the room." CreationDate="2016-08-29T11:44:14.033" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="13453" PostId="2936" Score="1" Text="@Kaveh I also *think* that it is most probably network-wide setting and cannot be change per-site. But do we *know* for sure? Do you happen to have some link (meta.SE, help or elsewhere) confirming this?" CreationDate="2016-09-02T10:25:00.893" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13523" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl About your suggestion to completely remove time limit. This feature request on meta.SO seems to be in similar spirit. And it was not very well received: [Request new function Standing Bounty](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/267021/request-new-function-standing-bounty)" CreationDate="2016-09-17T11:13:09.180" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15574" PostId="2936" Score="1" Text="I have recently made this post which is - to some extent - related: [What would be good place to list unresolved bounties?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3539#3541)" CreationDate="2017-12-24T14:20:05.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13306" PostId="2937" Score="0" Text="Instead of &quot;off-topic&quot;, the question could also have been closed as a duplicate of [this question](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/61408/examples-of-theorems-misapplied-to-non-mathematical-contexts)." CreationDate="2016-06-27T13:30:21.393" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13311" PostId="2937" Score="0" Text="@Stefan  No I say it is duplicaa but not off topic." CreationDate="2016-06-27T20:18:29.173" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="13816" PostId="2942" Score="0" Text="You can edit your answers by clicking the &quot;edit&quot; button directly under them, rather than answering twice, where one is an addendum to the other (or at least, seems to be at a glance)" CreationDate="2017-01-07T04:45:09.223" UserId="80927" />
  <row Id="13328" PostId="2943" Score="2" Text="I agree.  Closing a question still leaves it visible, and deleting seems uncalled for except in extreme cases." CreationDate="2016-06-30T07:22:44.177" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="13331" PostId="2943" Score="0" Text="It's not clear to me why answers to the question in question can't just be posted as answers to the earlier linked question 61408." CreationDate="2016-06-30T23:24:01.130" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13332" PostId="2943" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson --- I don't know of a way to transfer answers + comment thread from one question to another (put perhaps the moderators have this capability); in any case, I thought that closing rather than deleting the question is the way to proceed with duplicates, isn't this how we have always done it?" CreationDate="2016-07-01T06:35:10.150" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="13333" PostId="2943" Score="0" Text="What I had in mind, Carlo, was that the people who posted to the one thread could just copy their posts and paste them on the other. Or, someone (you?) could do that for them (giving full credit, of course, and making the answers CW, if desired). But, yes, I think that moderators can do that for questions closed as duplicates. Once the answers are transferred, by whatever means, I'd think the one question could be deleted, no harm done." CreationDate="2016-07-01T10:58:13.743" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13334" PostId="2943" Score="2" Text="@Gerry (and Carlo) Moderators do have the power to merge questions after one is closed as the duplicate of the other. I imagine this functionality is less known since there is simply less call for it on this site. Merging question will delete and lock one of the copies and transfer all comments/answers to the other copy. It is actually used quite a bit on Math.SE." CreationDate="2016-07-01T18:46:06.063" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="13351" PostId="2948" Score="1" Text="I agree with Nate and have voted to undelete" CreationDate="2016-07-11T22:28:23.213" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="13359" PostId="2951" Score="11" Text="I think in general an edit to a question which invalidates an answer should be reverted, and if the edit is redone by the OP, the question should be locked. An exception though is the case that the answer reveals that an important condition has been forgotten in the question, and the question becomes entirely trivial or uninteresting for this reason." CreationDate="2016-07-22T21:53:01.143" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13360" PostId="2951" Score="8" Text="We see this all the time:  I ask a question, but incorrectly.  A trivial answer shows it was incorrect.  So I fix it to be the question it should have been." CreationDate="2016-07-23T13:34:54.783" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13363" PostId="2951" Score="2" Text="This question contains an implicit answer.  I think that that should be entered explicitly as an answer, so that people can vote on it." CreationDate="2016-07-26T15:09:59.147" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="13361" PostId="2952" Score="6" Text="Including, for instance, the original form of the question for reference, and the adapted one with clear delineation." CreationDate="2016-07-26T02:24:03.287" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13370" PostId="2952" Score="1" Text="I agree, except that if the answer points out a really trivial part that was forgotten, then it's not necessary in each case to credit the person of the original answer." CreationDate="2016-07-28T04:22:40.857" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13362" PostId="2954" Score="0" Text="Great post, thanks for bringing this up. Makes flagging and deleting spam much easier for people coming here without the high rep to rollback edits, if people are educated about spam." CreationDate="2016-07-26T14:07:31.763" UserDisplayName="user88558" />
  <row Id="13364" PostId="2954" Score="0" Text="By the way -- do you have an idea what kind of people post spam on MO or other SE sites? -- Are these organized groups of people, or rather separate individuals?" CreationDate="2016-07-26T15:40:24.267" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13365" PostId="2954" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl I don't have data on that. I'll see if I can get a StackExchange Community Manager to respond to that." CreationDate="2016-07-26T16:08:38.173" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13366" PostId="2954" Score="3" Text="Some people even edit out sentences like &quot;thank you for your help&quot; calling that also spam. IMHO that is exaggerated." CreationDate="2016-07-26T19:37:25.017" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="13368" PostId="2954" Score="0" Text="What's an SRE??" CreationDate="2016-07-27T23:31:26.507" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13369" PostId="2954" Score="3" Text="@GerryMyerson Heh, I puzzled over that one myself. I *think* here it means &quot;site reliability engineer&quot;." CreationDate="2016-07-27T23:34:07.700" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13371" PostId="2954" Score="0" Text="It may also happen that a spammer edits in a spammy link into someone else's post, in particular when the post is CW. As I understand, in that case a spam flag would affect the post owner rather than the user who added the spam(?)" CreationDate="2016-07-28T15:35:53.843" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13372" PostId="2954" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl Theoretically that could happen, although I've never seen it. To do a CW edit (without review), you need at least 100 points, whereas most spammers use noob accounts that are set to 1. But you're right: some care should be taken when raising a spam flag to ensure that unintended harm isn't done to other accounts in multiple-user situations. See the link that I've added to the end of this answer." CreationDate="2016-07-28T17:45:11.473" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15269" PostId="2957" Score="2" Text="Related: [Quickly Accessible MathJax Help](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1782)" CreationDate="2017-11-19T10:38:24.950" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28407" PostId="2957" Score="0" Text="It's actually possible for CMs to update the URL that the &quot;MathJax help&quot; link (at the bottom of that `/editing-help#latex` page) points to. [See this post on MSE for more info about updating the &quot;MathJax help&quot; link.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/288209/335251)" CreationDate="2023-03-25T05:07:02.150" UserId="350173" />
  <row Id="13373" PostId="2958" Score="8" Text="In my experience, a bright undergraduate student might not know LaTeX, but still be a meaningful contributor to MO. Yes, I know that on the question asking page it is better, but on the other hand it certainly is a problem if one wants to ask a question, but cannot find out how to typeset it in an acceptable way..." CreationDate="2016-07-30T08:16:31.297" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="13381" PostId="2958" Score="0" Text="By the last sentence &quot;Something similar could be done here&quot; you mean adding a link to math.SE tutorial, right? Duplicating the whole tutorial here on meta.MO seems to me as an effort which would be ... well ... *duplicitous*." CreationDate="2016-08-03T16:00:50.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13382" PostId="2958" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I am not a big fan of the meta.math &quot;MathJax basic tutorial&quot;. Many of the answers there are not particularly helpful (IMHO), and seem to only serve to demonstrate the author's prowess with MathJax/LaTeX. I am certain that a cleaner *basic* tutorial and quick reference can be had." CreationDate="2016-08-04T04:53:14.863" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13383" PostId="2958" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the response. I think that it's good that you clarified that you mean creating a new tutorial here rather than just linking to already existing (at least in a comment). Would some of the links given [here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/4925/list-of-comment-templates/4928#4928) be approximately what you mean under basic tutorial. Or some of the links given in the answers [here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/1773), for example [WP:MATH](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3aMATH#Functions.2C_symbols.2C_special_characters)?" CreationDate="2016-08-04T05:00:37.717" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13384" PostId="2958" Score="0" Text="I am somewhat skeptical about creating and maintaining tutorial at meta.MO for two reasons. One of them is that meta.MO is not very active. The other one is that MO crowd in general seems to be less interested in janitorial tasks regarding this site in general. But maybe this are just my misconceptions, it is more for MO regulars to judge whether this would be a feasible thing to do." CreationDate="2016-08-04T05:03:30.933" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16439" PostId="2958" Score="1" Text="I made some attempt towards this here: [How does one type mathematical formulas on this site?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3763#3765) We will see how it is received and whether other users join in to improve the post." CreationDate="2018-06-12T19:34:49.193" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16440" PostId="2958" Score="0" Text="BTW I no longer see link to http://www.math.harvard.edu/texman/ on [the ask page](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/ask). (Although it is still there if you display the source of the page. It's a bit weird - maybe somebody can confirm whether they see the same thing.)" CreationDate="2018-06-12T19:50:20.197" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28406" PostId="2958" Score="0" Text="It's actually possible for CMs to update the URL that the &quot;MathJax help&quot; link (at the bottom of the LaTeX section of the `/editing-help` page) points to. [See this post on MSE for more info about updating the &quot;MathJax help&quot; link.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/288209/335251)" CreationDate="2023-03-25T04:58:25.187" UserId="350173" />
  <row Id="13386" PostId="2960" Score="2" Text="This was posted on meta.SE a few days ago, it might be the same bug: [Something wrong with month user rep -some users show quarterly figures?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/281997/something-wrong-with-month-user-rep-some-users-show-quarterly-figures)" CreationDate="2016-08-05T20:53:33.883" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13522" PostId="2960" Score="0" Text="Answer to the linked meta.SO post says that after September 1 it should be back to normal. Perhaps if somebody is willing to check whether this is indeed true, we can consider this solved. (BTW I think that ([meta-tag:reputation]) would be a good tag for this questions, but I can't edit on meta. Adding a tag would also bump the question and improve chances that somebody would volunteer to check whether the bug is still there or whether things already work as expected.)" CreationDate="2016-09-16T05:11:08.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21761" PostId="2961" Score="1" Text="It's not about *congruent* rational triangles, but rather (pairs of) rational triangles with the same area. And an accepted answer has since been posted." CreationDate="2020-03-30T05:25:33.830" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13389" PostId="2962" Score="3" Text="What you describe is a general phenomenon: With some frequency there are badly rated questions that have one or more highly rated answers. I have no explanation for this. But without the question there would be no great answer. So, in my opinion, at least for inspiring good answers such a question also deserves upvotes." CreationDate="2016-08-12T09:00:50.523" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="13471" PostId="2962" Score="1" Text="I see this question, and the MO question to which it refers, have been edited in recent hours. I don't understand what you hope to gain by bumping the question here, or by editing out the only mention of motivation that had been over there -- this action goes against the advice I tried to give in my answer here, and could easily result in further downvotes." CreationDate="2016-09-06T01:37:09.293" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13486" PostId="2962" Score="0" Text="1. What's counterintuitive about it? 2. What is your answer you speak about? I only see one answer, and it has 8 upvotes at the moment I am writing." CreationDate="2016-09-08T13:25:38.910" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="13390" PostId="2964" Score="1" Text="Might the title be &quot;Finding singularities from power series&quot;, dated 6/23/15? It's a longish post and the words &quot;Hadamard product&quot; appear therein, and there is also a hypergeometric function ${ }_2F_1$ that you're taking a Hadamard product with. http://mathoverflow.net/questions/209974/finding-singularities-from-power-series" CreationDate="2016-08-13T12:10:36.600" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13391" PostId="2964" Score="0" Text="YES! Thank you so much!" CreationDate="2016-08-13T12:12:47.743" UserId="18812" />
  <row Id="13392" PostId="2964" Score="0" Text="By the way, will it be deleted again or is it safe now?" CreationDate="2016-08-13T12:13:21.073" UserId="18812" />
  <row Id="13393" PostId="2964" Score="0" Text="There's a vote to undelete which I can add to, if you want to go public with it again. The software may cause it to be deleted again if there is absolutely no activity on it." CreationDate="2016-08-13T12:13:49.350" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13394" PostId="2964" Score="0" Text="I don't really think anyone can actually help. I just care that I will be able to see it for at least few days." CreationDate="2016-08-13T12:14:43.243" UserId="18812" />
  <row Id="13395" PostId="2964" Score="4" Text="The vote to undelete is from me, cast soon after the question got deleted. My reason for voting to undelete was that the post has nontrivial contents and that it didn't get any negative feedback." CreationDate="2016-08-13T14:00:45.413" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13396" PostId="2964" Score="2" Text="I voted to undelete too for the same reason as Stefan Kohl.  The last person to vote to undelete may also want to vote up the question so the same thing doesn't happen again." CreationDate="2016-08-13T14:35:29.867" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="13397" PostId="2964" Score="2" Text="@Lucia It's done." CreationDate="2016-08-13T14:36:58.007" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13398" PostId="2964" Score="0" Text="Thank you a lot. You really saved me from a good amount of work." CreationDate="2016-08-13T17:50:06.130" UserId="18812" />
  <row Id="13399" PostId="2964" Score="0" Text="It might be worth updating the meta.math.SE post about the site mismatch and the eventual undeletion." CreationDate="2016-08-13T22:56:38.563" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13400" PostId="2964" Score="0" Text="Ah, yes. I just did." CreationDate="2016-08-13T23:54:10.117" UserId="18812" />
  <row Id="13403" PostId="2965" Score="1" Text="Related, and [partially at this time] dealt with: http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/24836/mathjax-is-breaking-in-short-expressions-frequently-today" CreationDate="2016-08-17T20:52:08.443" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13404" PostId="2965" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, actually, that seems to be exactly the same issue.  Should I close this question?" CreationDate="2016-08-17T21:15:40.033" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13405" PostId="2965" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, the [question](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/24836/mathjax-is-breaking-in-short-expressions-frequently-today) linked by AsafKaragila seems to be the same issue.  You can see it reproduced in the comments there.  (I went looking for some other instances &quot;in the wild&quot;, simply by going through my MathOverflow history, but can't find them now—there's a *lot* of MO in my history.)" CreationDate="2016-08-17T21:16:33.323" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13406" PostId="2965" Score="2" Text="On the one hand, I'd consider two identical bug reports on two different venues a waste of time; but it's likely that other MO users will run into this, so informing them that this is a known issue is not a bad thing. Closing as a duplicate is impossible anyway, since this is a across the network." CreationDate="2016-08-17T21:21:58.723" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13407" PostId="2965" Score="2" Text="I have encountered the same problem recently with some of my old comments.  Furthermore, when I try to edit the comment (using my moderator powers), there appears to be nothing wrong with the typed text.  Rather, it seems that any long unbroken string of text gets spaces automatically inserted during rendering.  I would guess that this is a recently implemented way to defeat &quot;window-widening&quot; attacks, and I suppose it needs a bit of tweaking." CreationDate="2016-08-18T08:41:36.620" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="13410" PostId="2965" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan, indeed, the [MMSE post](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/24836/mathjax-is-breaking-in-short-expressions-frequently-today) linked by [AsafKaragila](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/24836/mathjax-is-breaking-in-short-expressions-frequently-today) appears to indicate that this is just a parsing problem (which [Sklivvz](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2967/2383) points out is now fixed), not a typing problem.  Thanks for checking!" CreationDate="2016-08-18T16:36:18.623" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13408" PostId="2966" Score="3" Text="I didn't vote down, but it seems that the reader doesn't really get an idea of what kind of answer would be satisfactory.  It might help if you gave some motivation, so we know what direction would be most helpful.  For example, if I set $A$ to be a point, and let the groupoid structure be given by the $SU(2)$ group law, would that earn me a green checkmark?" CreationDate="2016-08-18T08:53:10.447" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="13411" PostId="2966" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan  I will edit it. For the moment I did an epsilon edit. I ll come bake for more edit. Thanks for your comment" CreationDate="2016-08-19T08:14:25.037" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="13420" PostId="2966" Score="1" Text="Some additional reasons for downvotes might be precisely these epsilon edits, as well as that you have posted several questions differing from this one by epsilon." CreationDate="2016-08-24T08:47:26.813" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13409" PostId="2967" Score="1" Text="Indeed, fortunately @AsafKaragila linked [that question](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2965/spaces-in-command-sequences-in-old-comments/2967#comment13403_2965) above.  Unfortunately I didn't keep a library of examples to check, but the one that prompted me to post appears to be in good shape." CreationDate="2016-08-18T16:31:34.843" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13421" PostId="2970" Score="0" Text="I’d say, encourage the author of the answer to repost it under the non-closed question, or failing that, link from that question back to the duplicate in a comment." CreationDate="2016-08-24T11:43:43.770" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13422" PostId="2970" Score="2" Text="In some cases questions [can be merged](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/merged-questions/info). (If the notation and terminology in both duplicate questions is such that the answer makes sense as an answer to the duplicate target without any changes.) If this is the case, you can simply flag the question and ask the moderators to merge the two questions." CreationDate="2016-08-25T05:35:18.990" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13423" PostId="2970" Score="3" Text="Re: *There is no way to know about it.* All duplicates are listed as linked questions in the sidebar. And, if some of the answers to the duplicate is worth pointing out, make a comment adding a direct link and explaining what information it adds." CreationDate="2016-08-25T05:37:16.690" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13424" PostId="2970" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks for the information! And sorry for the second one,  should notice it myself. Could you turn your comments into an answer? I think it is still useful to keep this question - if anything, for the absent-minded, like me." CreationDate="2016-08-25T06:06:46.670" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13452" PostId="2970" Score="2" Text="This post on meta.SE also gives some advice on this: [How can awesome answers to average or duplicate questions be promoted?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/206989/how-can-awesome-answers-to-average-or-duplicate-questions-be-promoted)" CreationDate="2016-09-02T07:37:03.770" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13476" PostId="2970" Score="1" Text="Related: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1046/what-shall-we-do-with-stone-soup. Though this relates not so much to duplicates as to &quot;some other reason&quot;." CreationDate="2016-09-06T19:43:03.527" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="13596" PostId="2970" Score="2" Text="A closed question and its answers can still be viewed and referenced.  But we need to do something to prevent over-eager deleters from getting at it!" CreationDate="2016-10-08T13:47:30.843" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13426" PostId="2971" Score="0" Text="Comments are not meant to be important. They shouldn't contain relevant information." CreationDate="2016-08-25T08:38:50.257" UserId="90668" />
  <row Id="13431" PostId="2971" Score="7" Text="@Polygnome Whether it is good or bad, my whole experience with MO shows that comments are **extremely** important here" CreationDate="2016-08-26T19:09:30.067" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13432" PostId="2971" Score="0" Text="Thats not how SE is meant to work. If that is the case, then the community should really start thinking about trying to shift this. SE is meant to be a Q&amp;A, information should be contained inside the answer. if there is relevant information missing, the answerer should include, or the commenter instead provide his own answer or edit the existing answers. there are meta discussions about that policy for the whole Se to be found both at meta SO and meta SE. not obeying the SE standards will only lead to problems in the long run, especially with he way the software treats comments." CreationDate="2016-08-26T19:13:00.073" UserId="90668" />
  <row Id="13433" PostId="2971" Score="9" Text="@Polygnome, you will find when you explore various parts of StackExchange that the parts use the platform differently.  MathOverflow has been an established and successful forum, enough so that considerations were made to preserve the culture and many of the ways that the community used the forum.  Your statement in your first comment is challenged by over six years of community experience.  I recommend that you do more research before making statements about how things are supposed to work.  Gerhard &quot;Signatures Serve A Purpose Too&quot; Paseman, 2016.08.26." CreationDate="2016-08-26T19:27:06.160" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13434" PostId="2971" Score="0" Text="@Polygnome [As I can see](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39022531/is-there-any-issue-with-hardcoded-path-in-pom-properties-or-class-files#comment65395660_39022531), in a situation when you want to add a link to another question which is relevant for the OP for some reason, you use comments. That's along the lines of my suggestion." CreationDate="2016-08-26T19:43:27.670" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13435" PostId="2971" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak The question was going to be closed as it was completely off-topic. There was neither a place for an answer nor would one have been appropriate. The comment is not intended to be lasting information for future users, but I nonetheless wanted to give the OP - and only the OP - a starting point where he can look. That is completely different from leaving *relevant information* that is important for *future users*. But kudos that you made the effort to go through my comments just to make your point ;)" CreationDate="2016-08-26T19:46:28.380" UserId="90668" />
  <row Id="13436" PostId="2971" Score="0" Text="@Polygnome I only had to look at your 5 last comments to find this one, so it seems very likely that there are some other comments like that. But I think that's not the point here. I offered the best advice to the situation described by the OP I was able to think of. I hope that somebody can come up with a better suggestion and posts it as an answer." CreationDate="2016-08-26T19:49:36.227" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13437" PostId="2971" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman I am active on various SE sites. But some policies are set directly on Meta Se and are simply valid through the fact that all SE sites use the same basic principles. But the fact that **Q&amp;A** are the core concept of SE and comments are not supposed to contain relevant information that should be a part of the answer is a core concept of the whole SE. If you decide to ignore that, fine, but its really not the best way to go about it. It gets probems, because the devs develop the SE platform with things in mind that work for all platforms, and so might screw with comments as well." CreationDate="2016-08-26T19:50:10.690" UserId="90668" />
  <row Id="13446" PostId="2971" Score="6" Text="@Polygnome In a sense, you contradict yourself :P In your comments, you are providing important information - you express your opinion on a highly relevant matter and support this opinion with quite essential arguments. Where else would you find it appropriate to do all this? :D" CreationDate="2016-08-30T09:40:23.280" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13454" PostId="2971" Score="5" Text="@Polygnome You should bear in mind that MO has a special status within the SE network, even if you take the (extreme) stance that SE standards automatically overrule site policies. Not only is MO still not fully integrated into the network software, but it has special dispensation to Do Things Differently Here (TM) -- this was in fact one of the conditions for MO to join the SE network." CreationDate="2016-09-02T11:35:35.567" UserId="30516" />
  <row Id="13455" PostId="2971" Score="1" Text="@ChristianClason Thats interesting... is there some resouce to read about the history of MO? Since most things at least work somewhat similar on all SE sites." CreationDate="2016-09-02T11:42:46.117" UserId="90668" />
  <row Id="13456" PostId="2971" Score="2" Text="@Polygnome A lot is documented in the discussions leading up to and shortly after the joining on Meta (after) and its precursor http://tea.mathoverflow.net/ (before). A short overview is http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/753/history-of-mathoverflow." CreationDate="2016-09-02T11:47:16.600" UserId="30516" />
  <row Id="13457" PostId="2971" Score="5" Text="@Polygnome Some links related to that: [Mathoverflow - why so different](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/277069) (at Meta.SE),&#xA;[History of MathOverflow](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/753). There are also some discussions about migration on tea (=meta.MO before the migration) like [this one](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1416/mathoverflow-20/). IIRC there was some legal agreement between MO and SE, I was not able to find exact text. I vaguely recall that it mentioned even a possibility of MO to get out from the SE network again. (Although I consider that possibility unlikely.)" CreationDate="2016-09-02T11:54:50.387" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13462" PostId="2971" Score="3" Text="@Polygnom I found the agreement between MO and SE. It was mentioned in [this answer](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/969/who-owns-mathoverflow/970#970) and the link is [here](https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bqmDNwzTjkMjRHVkNRa1ZzQmc/edit)." CreationDate="2016-09-03T18:52:38.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13440" PostId="2972" Score="0" Text="If I am not mistaken, this answer is totally unrelated to Francois Dorais's question (The question is about completely different type of app.) Moreover, I think that meta.SE might be a better place for your inquiry and it might have already been addressed there. For example, this post seems closely related: [Please add TeX rendering in titles on the iOS app](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/231730/please-add-tex-rendering-in-titles-on-the-ios-app)" CreationDate="2016-08-28T11:28:31.413" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13441" PostId="2972" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I've clarified." CreationDate="2016-08-28T11:50:33.717" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="13443" PostId="2972" Score="0" Text="That looks like an iPhone interface. You might want to add some basic technical details (e.g. iPhone or Android, or phone model, and which operating system version you're using)." CreationDate="2016-08-28T17:07:35.953" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13448" PostId="2973" Score="8" Text="This is a problem with Gravatar. We don't know why it's happening, but [we'll be checking with them](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/284037/1438)." CreationDate="2016-08-31T08:10:38.443" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="13449" PostId="2973" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson Thanks. I think the other question is about different problem, but the issue well could be in gravatar." CreationDate="2016-08-31T08:40:21.293" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="13451" PostId="2973" Score="3" Text="Similar questions in [meta.mathSE](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/24916/where-did-my-avatar-go)." CreationDate="2016-09-02T04:31:17.900" UserId="41094" />
  <row Id="13919" PostId="2974" Score="0" Text="I have asked the question about basically the same problem on meta.SE: [Why does a question sometimes not appear among the linked questions?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/287417). See the answers there." CreationDate="2017-01-26T14:31:28.573" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13458" PostId="2978" Score="1" Text="Off-topic – your question isn't about MathOverflow." CreationDate="2016-09-03T15:59:46.170" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13459" PostId="2978" Score="0" Text="Could you maybe make a suggestion of where I should post this question then?" CreationDate="2016-09-03T16:13:06.330" UserId="95381" />
  <row Id="13460" PostId="2978" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson Since the OP is asking whether some kind of questions is allowed on MO, so I think it is a valid question for meta.MO. (Although to be honest, the description of the question they want to ask is not very clear to me.) And it should be tagged ([meta-tag:allowed-questions])." CreationDate="2016-09-03T17:41:05.647" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13461" PostId="2978" Score="1" Text="@TannerStrunk A reasonable thing to do is to have a look on other questions to see what is allowed here or on other sites. Here on MO you could have a look at the tags ([tag:career]) and ([tag:advice]). You might look around at [academia.SE](http://academia.stackexchange.com/), they even [have productivity tag](http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/productivity). And maybe you could also have a look at [productivity.SE](http://productivity.stackexchange.com/). I will stress that I am not familiar enough with those sites to judge what is on-topic there, you'll have to see yourself." CreationDate="2016-09-03T17:47:12.547" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13463" PostId="2978" Score="0" Text="And perhaps I will also add link to this question: [On starting graduate school and common pitfalls…](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/27299/on-starting-graduate-school-and-common-pitfalls), since it seems to be at least related to what you're interested in. But notice that the question was asked in 2010. Since the standards of any site evolve, the question by itself cannot be considered as evidence that similar questions are still on-topic on this site." CreationDate="2016-09-03T19:22:32.637" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13464" PostId="2978" Score="1" Text="I'd suggest, Tanner, that instead of posting your question, you should pose your question to the person in charge of graduate studies in your department." CreationDate="2016-09-03T22:09:20.733" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13467" PostId="2981" Score="8" Text="I don't think it's appropriate to make these announcements here." CreationDate="2016-09-05T12:00:25.697" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13468" PostId="2981" Score="23" Text="Thank you. Let me mention that people have announced the passing of venerable MO users; that this might be a different category is open for discussion. In general this type of announcement seems to be better received when made at meta, rather than main." CreationDate="2016-09-05T12:23:14.177" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13473" PostId="2981" Score="1" Text="There is question here, but similar sad announcements are purely informative. What is the point in upvoting sad news? Maybe be I am missing something, but if the news about my death is on a forum supporting votes, I'd prefer the people I care about to not upvote it. Downvoting doesn't make sense too." CreationDate="2016-09-06T05:29:49.177" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="13474" PostId="2981" Score="16" Text="@joro One possible interpretation of the upvotes is that they express the opinion that it was useful to post the information here. Upvotes also have a side effect that they make it more likely that the post gets into the [community bulletin](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/community-bulletin/info)." CreationDate="2016-09-06T07:28:30.573" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13475" PostId="2981" Score="16" Text="@joro: In such a context, I interpret upvotes to be an expression of sympathy and of condolences." CreationDate="2016-09-06T16:50:40.593" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="13478" PostId="2981" Score="5" Text="What is the cause of the death? In [this official text](https://www.college-de-france.fr/site/jean-christophe-yoccoz/Hommage-a-Jean-Christophe-Yoccoz.htm), they talk about a disease, but which disease? (I hope it is correct to ask)" CreationDate="2016-09-07T08:05:21.377" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="13505" PostId="2981" Score="5" Text="@SebastienPalcoux In an announcement on mailing lists, they mentionned leukaemia." CreationDate="2016-09-10T08:32:10.537" UserId="40821" />
  <row Id="15266" PostId="2981" Score="4" Text="In the meantime, this post on meta was created: [News of potential interest to the MO community](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3144). Several obituaries has bee posted there. (It is not generally agreed whether meta.MO is a suitable place for this, but the post has not been closed either.)" CreationDate="2017-11-18T06:50:30.767" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13469" PostId="2982" Score="10" Text="For physics, there is [Physics Overflow](http://www.physicsoverflow.org/)." CreationDate="2016-09-05T17:02:38.757" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13470" PostId="2982" Score="3" Text="For physics there is actually more: http://physics.stackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2016-09-05T17:40:10.123" UserId="38267" />
  <row Id="13472" PostId="2982" Score="5" Text="There is a [Chemistry Stack Exchange](http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/), but I am not familiar with the &quot;level&quot; of its questions and answers." CreationDate="2016-09-06T03:05:04.500" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="13485" PostId="2982" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl Despite the name, that's not a Stack Exchange site." CreationDate="2016-09-08T11:17:16.777" UserId="48111" />
  <row Id="13487" PostId="2982" Score="9" Text="@DavidRicherby It is nowhere stated in the question that the author is looking exclusively for SE sites. PhysicsOverflow was founded outside the SE network in order to have full control over the software and self-governement of our academic community. From a technical point of view, the content of PO is compatible with the SE software." CreationDate="2016-09-08T14:18:05.743" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13490" PostId="2982" Score="7" Text="@Dilaton And nowhere in my comment did I say that not being a Stack Exchange site made it an invalid suggestion. However, I do think it's reasonable to mention that it's not an SE site, given that it sounds like an SE site and is clearly trying to be similar to SE sites." CreationDate="2016-09-08T14:32:26.757" UserId="48111" />
  <row Id="13480" PostId="2984" Score="2" Text="There is discussion on http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/141/what-outgoing-migration-paths-should-we-have . Note that (1) there are two computer science sites (cs and cstheory, the latter aimed at research level), and (2) migration paths are an extremely limited resource, there being only 4 slots available." CreationDate="2016-09-07T08:26:12.630" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13481" PostId="2984" Score="0" Text="Also: http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/572/option-to-migrate-to-cs-theory" CreationDate="2016-09-07T08:55:32.600" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13482" PostId="2984" Score="0" Text="I just migrated it to Computer Science." CreationDate="2016-09-07T12:01:59.787" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13483" PostId="2984" Score="2" Text="So, in general, you would flag a moderator to get it migrated elsewhere." CreationDate="2016-09-07T12:45:19.063" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13488" PostId="2985" Score="6" Text="Neither Physics SE nor Chemistry SE are (exclusively) research-level academic sites. In particular on Physics SE, the mean level of the content and the style of moderation (strong adherence to the SE philosophy) significantly differs from the nice academic spirit and atmosphere on MO." CreationDate="2016-09-08T14:25:16.170" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13489" PostId="2985" Score="5" Text="@Dilaton Sure. I said that advanced questions are &quot;still on-topic&quot;, implying that other questions are on-topic, too." CreationDate="2016-09-08T14:30:11.153" UserId="48111" />
  <row Id="13510" PostId="2985" Score="0" Text="It is probably also worth mentioning that the purpose of Physics SE, which has by the founding members been concepted to be a site for active researchers, academics and (university?) students of physics and astronomy many years ago, is [currenntly getting completely redefined](http://meta.physics.stackexchange.com/q/9115/2751)..." CreationDate="2016-09-14T17:20:57.503" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13511" PostId="2985" Score="0" Text="Even though SE employees prematurally closed Theoretical Physics SE after not even half a year in public beta (this would no longer happen today, as [SE now better seems to acknowledge the value of smaller high-level communities that naturally have a longer turning time](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/257614/184300)), its content is again publicly available in a human readable Q&amp;A format since PhysicsOverflow [took off](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1608/30967)." CreationDate="2016-09-14T17:28:29.377" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13491" PostId="2986" Score="7" Text="I disagree with this answer.  While the news here is sad, I still appreciated that someone posted it on Meta.  I don't really see the damage it does.  And as for relevance/suitability, people can indicate by voting up or down or closing or deleting if they felt that the news was appropriate or not.  Congratulations on your daughter!" CreationDate="2016-09-08T18:39:39.300" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="13492" PostId="2986" Score="3" Text="@Lucia Do you actually disagree with the answer?  I didn't say it was wrong to put it on Meta." CreationDate="2016-09-09T00:53:09.307" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="13493" PostId="2986" Score="1" Text="Sorry, I guess I misunderstood your response.  Indeed it is not suitable on the main site (although the Grothendieck news was first posted on the main site), and I was fine with it being on Meta.  (I think it is your first line which  confused me -- it seems to indicate disapproval of the announcement in the question, although I agree that on closer reading it really is answering the question.)" CreationDate="2016-09-09T01:30:41.423" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="13494" PostId="2986" Score="0" Text="@Lucia: I think that Ben is right. If someone involved with MO (even in the past) passes away, that's something somewhat related and it might have some place on meta. But I don't know if announcing general mathematicians passing away is appropriate. Because people die all the time, it's sad but true. You could say &quot;well, just the influential ones&quot;, sure, but who's influential? And that would also be a sure fire way to insult a lot of people who think that one person is influential and another is not (I never heard of Yoccoz before seeing this post, for example)." CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:15:19.427" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13495" PostId="2986" Score="0" Text="However, if there is some consensus that these sort of announcements should be acceptable to make, then I'd much rather for them to be concentrated in one big thread where people could post an answer announcing one tragedy or another. It makes much more sense to have it like that, than to have new threads each time." CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:16:27.763" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13498" PostId="2986" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila Yoccoz was a Fields medalist, so I think he is undoubtedly influential." CreationDate="2016-09-09T12:18:32.463" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="13499" PostId="2986" Score="3" Text="@Andy: I'm not arguing otherwise. I'm only pointing out that there is no good definition for &quot;influential&quot; which will not disrespect both the living and the dead at some point, if we agree that for influential mathematicians it's okay to make these announcements." CreationDate="2016-09-09T12:32:13.260" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13500" PostId="2986" Score="7" Text="@AsafKaragila There's no good &quot;definition&quot; in the mathematical sense, but there are people for whom it is utterly clear.  There have been very few of these kinds of announcements here, and they all are for people who are either seriously famous or who frequent MO.  I don't see why it is worth getting bent out of shape about these things unless they start becoming frequent and annoying." CreationDate="2016-09-09T12:39:07.500" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="13501" PostId="2986" Score="3" Text="@Andy: Let me begin by saying that I completely agree with Ben, and I think that in the case that the person was a prolific contributor, then perhaps some announcement is in place, or at least a small line added to the profile description. But other than that, well... would people have objected if someone would have announced the recent passing of Andras Hajnal, or Saul Feferman? In set theory they had a lot of influence, but I doubt many people would recognize their names outside of logic. And as prizes don't mean much, who would argue that a recently deceased person wasn't influential?" CreationDate="2016-09-09T12:58:36.167" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13502" PostId="2986" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila: I certainly know who both of those people are (Feferman is almost a household name), and my research interests are pretty distant from set theory.  In any case, I would not have objected to announcements of their names.  Again, if it's not becoming a super-frequent thing, why not allow it?  I don't believe in making rules except in response to things that are disruptive or which make MO a less interesting place." CreationDate="2016-09-09T15:01:11.353" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="13503" PostId="2986" Score="1" Text="@Andy: I think that we're at an impasse. I don't disagree with your approach, but my experience in math.SE is that often setting precedents and &quot;fixing the rules later&quot; can be harder than &quot;fixing the rules now&quot;. Especially in a community whose users are from extremely different cultural backgrounds. In any case, I think that if we are going to allow this, then perhaps having an &quot;Obituary column&quot; meta thread." CreationDate="2016-09-09T15:10:21.783" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13504" PostId="2986" Score="9" Text="@AsafKaragila: I think that an obituary column on meta is an excellent idea!  People that don't care about this kind of thing can ignore it." CreationDate="2016-09-09T15:42:50.520" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="13509" PostId="2986" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman Perhaps a rough approximation to see how frequent this would be is having a look at a [few lists like this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_August_2016) and simply find how many occurrences of the word mathematician are there. (If &quot;notable enough for Wikipedia article* is around the level &quot;notable enough for the obituary thread&quot;.) I also think that nobody would object to mentioning something like that [in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/9369/mathoverflow). (The main MO chat room is hardly ever used anyway.)" CreationDate="2016-09-10T13:32:08.040" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13496" PostId="2987" Score="0" Text="Maybe it was a dream? I recently had learned that a result which I mentioned for the past three-four years to people, including remembering the title of the paper, the authors and the formulation of the theorem, was all but a dream-generated memory. (The said author had told me that he has no idea how to obtain this result, but if I have even the slightest of ideas, I should let him know.)" CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:18:25.950" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13497" PostId="2987" Score="0" Text="is this the one? http://mathoverflow.net/questions/2203/what-is-the-relationship-between-integrable-systems-and-toric-degenerations" CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:25:46.220" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="13506" PostId="2987" Score="0" Text="I'd guess that ([meta-tag:searching]) and ([meta-tag:specific-question]) would be a reasonable tags for this meta post. (I cannot edit on meta, that's why suggestion in a comment. I wish I had something more constructive to contribute here. Feel free to flag this comment as obsolete or [ping me in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/19138/martin-sleziaks-room) to let me know that it can be deleted - after the retagging it would be a completely unnecessary noise.)" CreationDate="2016-09-10T08:57:44.400" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13507" PostId="2987" Score="0" Text="I guess you are aware of this: Mods can search among deleted questions. Other users can only [search for *their own* deleted posts](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/13948/is-there-any-way-to-see-my-deleted-questions-or-answers/13949#13949), which does not help in this instance. If the past cases are any indication, the MO mods do their best to help with requests like yours (two recent examples [here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2735/recovering-just-for-me-my-deleted-question-or-answer) or [here](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2964/question-disappeared).)" CreationDate="2016-09-10T09:38:17.223" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17961" PostId="2987" Score="0" Text="Maybe it's worth mentioning that using [SEDE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info), regular users have some limited way to find deleted questions. (Although 10k+ reputation is needed to actually see them.) For example, all deleted questions which were tagged ([tag:schubert-varieties]) can be found [using this query](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/883845/deleted-questions-with-a-given-tag?tagname=schubert-varieties)." CreationDate="2018-12-17T10:54:09.447" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17962" PostId="2987" Score="0" Text="And since I've commented on a rather old post, I might as well add one more SEDE query. It is possible to restrict this to posts which were deleted within some date range - but viewing all such questions would make a list too long to go through one by one. Probably with [restriction to a specific tag](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/917338/deleted-questions-between-two-dates-in-a-specific-tag?TagName=ag.algebraic-geometry&amp;Date1=2016-06-01&amp;Date2=2016-09-10) it is possible to make list short enough for this type of search. (But the answer suggests that there was no such post.)" CreationDate="2018-12-17T11:07:03.770" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13513" PostId="2989" Score="0" Text="Thanks for doing this, Scott. I am confused, but I guess it will remain a mystery, because I have by now fairly thoroughly searched the non-deleted questions and not found it." CreationDate="2016-09-14T18:12:28.460" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="13514" PostId="2990" Score="4" Text="Just for context: In the early days of MathOverflow, there were some non-mathematical Community-Wiki questions about tools used by mathematicians (e.g., tablets, software, and chalk)." CreationDate="2016-09-14T18:58:46.723" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="13515" PostId="2990" Score="0" Text="Some time ago there was a [question on TeX.SE](http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1443/what-is-the-status-of-generating-latex-from-handwriting-i-e-ocr) about getting TeX-source from the formulas. But you seem to ask about something else - you want to leave formulas and everything else intact and just add OCR layer to the text. To me this seems as a reasonable question for [softwarerecs.SE](http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/ocr)." CreationDate="2016-09-14T22:08:12.030" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13516" PostId="2990" Score="0" Text="@martinsleziak Well, except that most (all?) existing OCR programs are thrown off by math equations and often make them unreadable. So the question really needs input from mathematicians, who perhaps don't spend that much time on the software se you link to." CreationDate="2016-09-14T22:30:24.227" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="13517" PostId="2990" Score="0" Text="BTW there is a kind of precedent. The question [OCR for handwritten mathematics](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/95558/ocr-for-handwritten-mathematics) has been asked on MO and well-received. On the other hand, since your question is now [in the community bulletin](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/community-bulletin/info), it might get more views here on meta than on the main site." CreationDate="2016-09-14T22:36:08.560" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13518" PostId="2990" Score="3" Text="To me it seems that this question is close to what you are asking: [Free OCR software that makes a PDF searchable (with searchable text at the right place)](http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/3412/free-ocr-software-that-makes-a-pdf-searchable-with-searchable-text-at-the-right). And also there is [this book scanning tutorial](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Scan+and+Share%22+%221.07%22+tutorial) which can be found on several various sites, however here you work from tiff files to get the final djvu with OCR layer." CreationDate="2016-09-14T22:47:38.377" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13519" PostId="2990" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I will check out the ideas in that thread and report back if anything works." CreationDate="2016-09-14T23:08:09.297" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="13520" PostId="2990" Score="2" Text="Ok, so I downloaded Homebrew for my Mac (which already, I love, for giving me back some of the control Apple always denies me), then tesseract, then ocrmypdf, and it works like a charm. The files are PDFs with all the same text and equations in all the same places, but now the text is searchable and highlightable. You can even highlight whole equations, but not individual sub/super scripts. Thanks for pointing me to that free OCR thread!" CreationDate="2016-09-15T00:23:53.563" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="13521" PostId="2990" Score="2" Text="In fact, it seems that the only answers on the question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/95558/ocr-for-handwritten-mathematics linked to in @MartinSleziak's comment are for OCR of _printed_ mathematics, making them in fact technically off-topic answers to that thread but on-topic answers to your question." CreationDate="2016-09-15T17:44:53.020" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="13524" PostId="2993" Score="9" Text="Historically, MathOverflow did have a space in its name.  It was removed sometime between November 1 and November 24, 2010." CreationDate="2016-09-17T23:11:11.183" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="13525" PostId="2993" Score="4" Text="And it looks cleaner this way, without a space." CreationDate="2016-09-18T20:17:58.287" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="13526" PostId="2993" Score="12" Text="The reason is that the stream of ideas of a mathematician is not to be interrupted by a blank space!" CreationDate="2016-09-19T16:55:15.433" UserId="50457" />
  <row Id="13527" PostId="2993" Score="1" Text="Perhaps because it is Mathematica nomenclature syntax that way." CreationDate="2016-09-20T01:21:54.713" UserId="98694" />
  <row Id="13528" PostId="2993" Score="15" Text="It was lost in the same storm which washed away the &quot;s&quot;" CreationDate="2016-09-20T16:50:25.400" UserId="5734" />
  <row Id="13566" PostId="2993" Score="0" Text="@WilliamofBaskerville; however with programmers..." CreationDate="2016-09-27T19:03:09.197" UserId="70355" />
  <row Id="18731" PostId="2993" Score="0" Text="Even better as &quot;Mathoverflow&quot;" CreationDate="2019-04-03T10:01:06.017" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="13531" PostId="2995" Score="7" Text="I'm absolutely satisfied." CreationDate="2016-09-21T04:41:04.823" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13532" PostId="2995" Score="5" Text="I would like a longer cutoff time." CreationDate="2016-09-21T04:41:20.227" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13534" PostId="2995" Score="7" Text="I would like vote change to be allowed anytime." CreationDate="2016-09-21T04:42:23.077" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13535" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="I would like no vote change (or a shorter cutoff time)." CreationDate="2016-09-21T04:42:48.660" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13538" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="I think the purpose of limits like this is to limit possibilities of abuse. The time cutoff for changing votes limits e.g. serial un-upvoting." CreationDate="2016-09-21T15:29:40.727" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13539" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: Could you maybe detail in an answer how the system can be abused? Maybe there's a way to prevent serial un-upvoting without preventing individual once in a while." CreationDate="2016-09-21T16:09:07.667" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13541" PostId="2995" Score="4" Text="Has anyone contacted SE to see if a site-specific change in this is even possible? Calling this a &quot;referendum&quot; seems somewhat premature if SE is unwilling/unable to make such a site-specific change should the users wish it." CreationDate="2016-09-21T19:18:13.743" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13542" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="@arjafi it is to be taken in account, that MO is not just another random site in the network, but the MO company has signed a [special contract](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/970/30967) with the SE company upon joyning. So StackExchange better takes the needs of this community a bit more serious, than they conventially do with the requests of other sites ..." CreationDate="2016-09-21T20:02:57.257" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13544" PostId="2995" Score="5" Text="@Dilaton IANAL but I did not see anything in the letter/contract about SE customising their platform for the wishes of MO. Sure, site-specific customisations happen, but only when &quot;the changes won't generally be surprising/confusing when you travel from one to the next&quot; ([Jaydles's answer on meta.se](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/242718/)). Something like this time limit may or may not fall into that category, I don't know. Giving this question an official-sounding name like &quot;referendum&quot; with its connotations of finality is perhaps misleading, especially if in the end SE won't change this." CreationDate="2016-09-22T03:31:55.480" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13545" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="@arjafi I've renamed it poll." CreationDate="2016-09-22T07:41:57.357" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13546" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="@arjafi the contract ensures that MO is still a free self-governed academic community who just has chosen to use the SE software. So people here legitimately have the right to do polls in any format concerning the needs of the community whenever they want to. If for example there accumulate too many features of the software that a significant part of the MO community considers to be negative or even obstructive (the Association Bonus and the Hot Question list come to mind) and SE refuses to change them on this site, there could be a referendum to MOExit the SE network ... ;-)" CreationDate="2016-09-22T11:11:50.103" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13548" PostId="2995" Score="2" Text="@Dilaton While there is certainly some amount of prestige attached to hosting MO, I don't think that it is so great that threats of a MOparture would heavily influence SE actions. (And note that I never questioned the appropriateness of this poll, just the name that was originally given to it, and whether or not there was any reason to think that it mattered.)" CreationDate="2016-09-22T12:44:47.757" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13549" PostId="2995" Score="2" Text="I don't know anything about the possibility of implementing a change, but I'm sure that we can have our voice heard somewhere." CreationDate="2016-09-22T13:13:39.950" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13550" PostId="2995" Score="1" Text="So: after I voted, you changed the wording?" CreationDate="2016-09-22T16:03:01.940" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13552" PostId="2995" Score="1" Text="I've changed Referendum to Poll in the title, and just added a link to a second related question - I hope these won't affect the votes..." CreationDate="2016-09-23T07:10:13.840" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13553" PostId="2995" Score="2" Text="@Dilaton: If I were a department head, and someone would have come to me and said &quot;if you don't change the type of chalk we're using, I'm leaving!!!!!!11111oneoneoneoneoneleven&quot;, my reaction would have been &quot;Can I get that in writing?&quot;. Part of being an adult is knowing which fights you could win, and which fights are absolutely worthless of your energy and time. Waving the &quot;emergency exit button&quot; clause for every little thing is *definitely* detrimental to pretty much anything, and therefore entirely useless. Moreover, leaving SE just for a &quot;better vote timing cutoff&quot; is entirely stupid." CreationDate="2016-09-24T04:44:08.607" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13554" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila the right use of the leaving clause as I personally have understood it is not as a threat (which would not be possible anyway as the prime goal of SE is not to serve as a platform for international academic communities) and this was not the intention of my previous comment either, but rather as a backdoor in case things go seriously wrong." CreationDate="2016-09-24T11:47:11.050" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13555" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="@Dilaton: And not having a longer vote cut off time is something seriously wrong to you? In what universe?" CreationDate="2016-09-24T11:52:33.583" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13556" PostId="2995" Score="3" Text="@Dilaton: The point I was trying to make in my first comment is that whenever there is some discussion about some functionality of the site not being 100% satisfactory to some users who have some hope to have it changed, it seems you always counter the argument &quot;No way that SE will do that&quot; with the argument &quot;There is an exit clause, so SE should be extra nice to MO&quot;. As if that is a helpful strategy for anything." CreationDate="2016-09-24T12:01:28.207" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13557" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila no, this alone is not of course. But even very small things such as the voting time-off, the comment edit time-off, the association bonus, the hot question list, the network wide implemented deletion scripts who do not only delete crap but also good legitimate specialized questions that did not gather enough attention (as defined by the standards for the large technological SE sites) together with  other future uncalled for software changes have the potential to pill up to something significantly not so good ..." CreationDate="2016-09-24T12:05:00.847" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13558" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila ok, I might have gotten a bit carried away due to my past observations of SE having been not so nice to other communities in the network and because I think MO is a great gem ;-)" CreationDate="2016-09-24T12:12:30.467" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13559" PostId="2996" Score="0" Text="Answers that are accepted do not get deleted when a user's account is deleted.  Other answers are deleted." CreationDate="2016-09-26T13:43:34.563" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="13560" PostId="2996" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan  So comments are preserved, but answers aren't?  I find that surprising." CreationDate="2016-09-26T16:32:27.717" UserId="3711" />
  <row Id="13576" PostId="2996" Score="6" Text="@S.Carnahan Did you mean to say that answers (and questions) *with negative score* are deleted? See, for example [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/131665/what-exactly-happens-when-i-ask-to-delete-my-account/131666#131666)." CreationDate="2016-09-29T08:55:44.947" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13577" PostId="2996" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you for the link.  It seems I was mistaken." CreationDate="2016-09-30T00:08:41.477" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="15110" PostId="2996" Score="1" Text="I have added this link also under the question, but since this answer is concerned specifically with this users posts, I'll mention also here that they can be found also using [SEDE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info). For example, there is this query; [Get posts list of a deleted user](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/405958/get-posts-list-of-a-deleted-user?UserId=9072)." CreationDate="2017-10-20T15:52:34.897" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13564" PostId="2998" Score="4" Text="Can you expand on what you mean by &quot;it has failed every time&quot;? E.g., has SE explicitly denied your request to merge these accounts?" CreationDate="2016-09-27T10:28:26.207" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13571" PostId="2998" Score="0" Text="@arjafi No. Sorry! They have done the standard procedure of sending me two copies of the email, I have followed the instructions (sequentially clicking a link acknowledging ownership of the respective accounts) but have yet to actually have the accounts merged. Is that clear enough?" CreationDate="2016-09-28T03:20:01.067" UserId="38867" />
  <row Id="13572" PostId="2998" Score="2" Text="So it hasn't failed, it just hasn't been completed. I'm pretty certain that the actual merging of accounts is not an automated process, but is done manually. SE staff can be very busy, and it may take time to process requests. (Also, requests sent during the weekends are very unlikely to get a rapid response.) If it's been less than one week since the first submission I would suggest that there's nothing to be concerned with. After this I would recommend against submitting multiple merge requests, but instead a custom &quot;other&quot; contact, or email `team@stackexchange.com` directly." CreationDate="2016-09-28T04:03:28.700" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13573" PostId="2998" Score="0" Text="@arjafi Ah, excellent! Thank you! I didn't realize that it wasn't an automated process. :) I will just wait for a week or so then." CreationDate="2016-09-28T04:04:30.113" UserId="38867" />
  <row Id="13561" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="You asked (among other things) which questions are bumped by the system. Links to some info which contains (among other things) details about this can be found in the [tag-info of the community-user tag](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-user/info). (BTW this might be a reasonable tag for your post.)" CreationDate="2016-09-27T02:10:08.587" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13562" PostId="2999" Score="1" Text="Related post on the main meta: [Community user does not bump questions that never had an answer](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/217884/community-user-does-not-bump-questions-that-never-had-an-answer). It is marked as ([meta-tag:status-bydesign])." CreationDate="2016-09-27T02:14:16.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13563" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="Another consideration in favor of your proposal is that a question with an answer has in fact already been bumped at least once, when that answer came in." CreationDate="2016-09-27T02:15:40.290" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="13565" PostId="2999" Score="4" Text="Auto-bumping is one reason that &quot;answer in the comments&quot; is not as good as &quot;answer in the Answer&quot;." CreationDate="2016-09-27T11:53:41.083" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13574" PostId="2999" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks for those links. So it seems to be a universal SE policy. Perhaps the main Meta may be the appropriate forum to make this feature request. Still I'm curious to know what the MO community makes of the status quo." CreationDate="2016-09-28T18:39:22.277" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="13575" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="Possibly this post from meta.SE might be relevant too, since it contains explanation why the bumping by Community ♦ was implemented: &#xA;[How can we make the purpose of Community “bumping” more obvious?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/279203/how-can-we-make-the-purpose-of-community-bumping-more-obvious). Quote from there: &quot;To be clear, the intent here is to resurface questions that *someone has attempted to answer*, but which haven't yet attracted any votes to either confirm the usefulness or decry the worthlessness of the answer(s) that've been posted.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-09-29T00:37:21.943" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13567" PostId="3000" Score="15" Text="I think you can put just about anything on your profile, provided it's not offensive." CreationDate="2016-09-27T19:21:00.763" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13568" PostId="3000" Score="1" Text="@Todd: I think you can run into trouble with some non-offensive things as well -- e.g. if you violate copyright or disclose secrets." CreationDate="2016-09-27T20:03:45.633" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13569" PostId="3000" Score="22" Text="Well, then expand the meaning of &quot;offensive&quot; to include cases where one has committed an offense. :-)" CreationDate="2016-09-27T20:16:04.190" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13588" PostId="3001" Score="6" Text="Thanks for the answer. Concerning the last paragraph, I believe this is true if you apply as a post-doc or a non-tenure assistant professor. These are positions that are almost always advertised on mathjobs, and if someone in a university knows you from MO, he/she will probably recognize you anyway when you apply. But for positions that are not widely advertised or not even existent before you apply, I believe that MO can be a nice and soft way to throw a bottle to the sea, with the message &quot;I am unhappy where I am. Please hire me!&quot;" CreationDate="2016-10-04T00:20:53.300" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="13578" PostId="3004" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your detailed answer (+1). So the focus of the community user is (in principle and in practice) more to bump possibly neglected answers than questions. My proposal amounts to expanding the remit of the community user to bump questions with no answer." CreationDate="2016-09-30T15:04:04.073" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="13585" PostId="3005" Score="6" Text="You can always post a follow-up question in a separate post. And generally you can leave comments. But you shouldn't change the question itself. (It might help to link to the post you are talking about and give more details.)" CreationDate="2016-10-03T10:52:44.040" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13586" PostId="3005" Score="3" Text="You can leave comments wherever you like, but will anyone see them? Comments don't bump answers to the front page. If you post a new question, please be sure to link it to the original question (and, if appropriate, link the original to the new question, as well)." CreationDate="2016-10-03T12:06:01.533" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13587" PostId="3005" Score="4" Text="If you leave a comment on the answer, then the author of the answer will receive a notice in his &quot;inbox&quot;." CreationDate="2016-10-03T12:45:45.383" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13589" PostId="3006" Score="12" Text="Christmas is during the summer break, mate." CreationDate="2016-10-05T12:00:16.143" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13590" PostId="3006" Score="0" Text="It depends a lot on what you mean by best time. (Most views? Highest percentage of posts posted at that time answered?) Probably you can find such statistics [using SEDE](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info). Maybe there already are some queries for this purpose. Maybe you could try to modify some of the existing once. Related posts: [Question and answer activity on StackExchange: Interactive and customized edition](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/213603), [Number of answers/views/votes depends on hour of posting](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/2133)." CreationDate="2016-10-07T05:10:29.747" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13591" PostId="3006" Score="0" Text="Somebody even tried to find the best part of week to post depending on the tag: [Depending on the tag is there a possibility to know on which days and hours are there more answers?](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/3865). BTW I think that ([meta-tag:statistics]) and perhaps ([meta-tag:data-explorer]) might be suitable tags for your question." CreationDate="2016-10-07T05:11:08.597" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13593" PostId="3006" Score="0" Text="Using SEDE is above my abilities... I ran http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/155865/best-time-to-ask-questions-on-stackexchange-more-likely-to-get-an-answer with my userID, but it showed practically no difference." CreationDate="2016-10-07T07:49:36.500" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13594" PostId="3006" Score="0" Text="@domotorp This is probably rather naive question, but since you linked to query for SO, I will ask anyway: You know that you have to [switch site to MathOverflow](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/155865/best-time-to-ask-questions-on-stackexchange-more-likely-to-get-an-answer?UserId=955), right? (Apart from that, I think that questions from single user might be rather small sample to draw some relevant conclusions from them.)" CreationDate="2016-10-07T09:47:37.657" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13595" PostId="3006" Score="1" Text="I hope that somebody with better SQL skills will try to give you some more useful data, but results of my (very simplistic) experiments are [here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19138/2016/10/7)." CreationDate="2016-10-07T16:37:26.840" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13597" PostId="3009" Score="0" Text="Isn't this rather an ArXiv question than a question about MathOverflow?" CreationDate="2016-10-10T12:28:45.427" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13598" PostId="3009" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl yes, but maybe the people who have written the script for MO to get the trackbacks posted (Scott Morrison if I remember this correctly?), might have some insights too and could probably contact the ArXiv (in a more official way than I could do) if there are indeed some issues?" CreationDate="2016-10-10T12:32:01.927" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13600" PostId="3009" Score="5" Text="@StefanKohl trackbacks to MO are important, as they allow authors of ArXiv papers that get cited on MO to see that there is a discussion about their work here which might be of interest to them. If the mechanism is broken at present for some reason, this should get fixt. I dont see the usfulness of trying to mark an actual bug report as a duplicate of a resolved bug report, if the issue occurs again and most probably for different reasons than in the past. Note that ArXiv trackbacks are a nice extra feature of MO, such that reporting this bug on Meta SE would not help anything ..." CreationDate="2016-10-10T13:20:28.187" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13602" PostId="3010" Score="4" Text="I'm guessing PO is Physics Overflow, but you cannot expect readers here to know that." CreationDate="2016-10-11T14:35:43.520" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13603" PostId="3011" Score="2" Text="And the missing trackbacks have all appeared!" CreationDate="2016-10-13T02:39:09.073" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13604" PostId="3012" Score="0" Text="Do you mean this one?: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/252184/finite-index-subgroup-in-which-g-is-one-element-of-a-basis/252185#252185" CreationDate="2016-10-14T21:42:43.550" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13605" PostId="3012" Score="0" Text="Yes, that's the one.  It's a fine question, and I can't think of any reason it would be deleted." CreationDate="2016-10-14T21:48:18.750" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="13606" PostId="3012" Score="1" Text="I flagged it, and also voted to undelete." CreationDate="2016-10-14T21:54:05.157" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13607" PostId="3012" Score="0" Text="@stefan kohl: Thanks!" CreationDate="2016-10-14T22:04:24.137" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="13608" PostId="3012" Score="1" Text="It's now undeleted." CreationDate="2016-10-14T22:57:29.847" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13609" PostId="3012" Score="0" Text="Great, thanks to everyone!" CreationDate="2016-10-15T01:29:32.237" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="13610" PostId="3012" Score="6" Text="You can search for your own deleted posted with the modifier `deleted:1`, so if it was your answer that is a good way to find it (this is a 10k rep thing, though). Also, in your profile there is a link on the Answers tab of recently deleted answers." CreationDate="2016-10-15T05:56:12.687" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13619" PostId="3012" Score="3" Text="Why was it deleted in the first place, though?" CreationDate="2016-10-16T21:30:43.887" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="13620" PostId="3012" Score="6" Text="The same thing has happened to me, both here and on MSE. One suspects the OP deliberately wanted to get rid of the evidence." CreationDate="2016-10-17T00:39:22.650" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="13626" PostId="3012" Score="1" Text="@ChristianRemling I didn't think the asker could unilaterally delete a question that has answers?" CreationDate="2016-10-21T21:21:46.500" UserId="48111" />
  <row Id="13627" PostId="3012" Score="1" Text="@DavidRicherby : They can't delete questions that have answers with a positive number of upvotes (maybe above a certain threshold, I don't quite remember).  In this case, it was deleted almost immediately after I answered, so before people had a chance to up vote." CreationDate="2016-10-21T21:38:52.967" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="13628" PostId="3012" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman Oh, OK. That seems a rather undesirable &quot;feature&quot;." CreationDate="2016-10-21T21:41:29.647" UserId="48111" />
  <row Id="13631" PostId="3012" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman I think that it should be &quot;with a positive score&quot;, not &quot;with a positive number of upvotes&quot; (example: a question with 3 downvotes and 1 upvote has negative score but a positive number of upvotes)." CreationDate="2016-10-25T12:16:15.537" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="13611" PostId="3013" Score="0" Text="You can bump a question to the top of the list by editing it (respectively, suggesting an edit and wait for approval), by posting an answer or by offering a bounty. Adding a comment won't bump a post. Without points, I think your only option to bump unconditionally is by posting an answer. (In principle you could delete the answer afterwards, but this is of course not good style.)." CreationDate="2016-10-15T15:10:53.583" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13612" PostId="3013" Score="4" Text="Also keep in mind: not every question is answered.   Or even answerable." CreationDate="2016-10-15T16:19:01.230" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13613" PostId="3013" Score="0" Text="Probably this MO meta post will garner more attention for the MO post. I expect there are experts in the MO community who would be able to answer the MO question." CreationDate="2016-10-15T17:16:20.237" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13629" PostId="3013" Score="0" Text="@Gerald Edgar: That is true in general. But in this particular case the question is &quot;just&quot; about understanding the details of an existing proof so I think there is an answer. There is  a lot of interest in this question so maybe the answer isn't that easy though." CreationDate="2016-10-22T07:25:56.607" UserId="99468" />
  <row Id="13614" PostId="3014" Score="9" Text="That would depend on the exact question, wouldn't it? Also, &quot;few views and no responds&quot; need not indicate the level of the question, just the level of interest in the question, or the details of who's looking at math.stackexchange for the few minutes that the question stays on the front page." CreationDate="2016-10-16T06:24:58.843" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13615" PostId="3014" Score="4" Text="Perhaps ([meta-tag:math-stackexchange]) might be a reasonable tag for this question. (And you might have a look at older questions in that tag to see whether there were some previous discussions related to your question.)" CreationDate="2016-10-16T07:03:41.137" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13616" PostId="3014" Score="5" Text="I agree with Gerry that &quot;beyond the level of Math.SE&quot; is often not the right explanation -- there are plenty of high-level discussions there. But the traffic there is immense and questions get buried; my theory is that people more often go for the low-hanging fruit than for the stuff up high that takes more effort. If you are referring to a question of your own, consider applying a bounty. Do you have something specific you'd like to refer to here?" CreationDate="2016-10-16T13:54:08.267" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13617" PostId="3014" Score="1" Text="I agree with you. I do not have any particular question in mind, but I took low views as a sign of &quot;beyond the ...&quot;Perhaps that is a rather naive point of view." CreationDate="2016-10-16T15:49:35.840" UserId="48438" />
  <row Id="13618" PostId="3014" Score="1" Text="Since this is at least marginally related to your question, I will add also a link to this meta.math.SE post: [How to grab users' attention on an old question?](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/3478) (Perhaps also [other discussions linked there](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/3478) might be of interest.)" CreationDate="2016-10-16T19:15:50.873" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13621" PostId="3015" Score="1" Text="I guess that ([meta-tag:community-wiki]) would be a good tag for this question. (I don't have enough reputation to edit on meta, that's why I only made suggestion in a comment.)" CreationDate="2016-10-17T01:46:51.490" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13622" PostId="3015" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Good suggestion, thanks!" CreationDate="2016-10-17T06:38:23.737" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13623" PostId="3015" Score="1" Text="Main meta: [wiki questions don't show creation date](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/30189)." CreationDate="2016-10-17T08:02:30.340" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13624" PostId="3015" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I see, thanks. So this seems to be intended. If you feel like making this an answer I would accept it." CreationDate="2016-10-17T08:07:15.250" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13625" PostId="3015" Score="0" Text="Per your request, I have posted an answer. Although I am not entirely sure to which extent it really answers your question." CreationDate="2016-10-17T08:25:02.710" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13632" PostId="3018" Score="1" Text="I've just cast a 5th vote to reopen. Let's see if anyone who voted to close leaves further comments" CreationDate="2016-10-29T21:55:01.437" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="13633" PostId="3019" Score="5" Text="The question you refer to is merely a question about the inner workings of the *mathjobs* website. I think questions like this are just too technical to be on-topic on MO. The given question would rather be a good fit for the *mathjobs* FAQ." CreationDate="2016-10-30T17:26:33.590" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13634" PostId="3022" Score="15" Text="If the answerers &quot;have actually done most of the work&quot;, I think it is up to *them* to publish their results. Of course, usually they should cite your question in the paper. If &quot;the obtained results are far from good enough for them to accept putting their name there&quot;, then however it is likely that the results won't be publishable in a reasonable journal anyway." CreationDate="2016-10-31T10:20:15.603" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13635" PostId="3022" Score="3" Text="though the term &quot;reasonable journal&quot; here is subjective, would you say that if the contributors are not interested in publishing the results, this allows you to try to do it by yourself(with proper citing, of course)" CreationDate="2016-10-31T16:07:26.290" UserId="85939" />
  <row Id="13636" PostId="3022" Score="12" Text="Having identified a problem is already an important contribution." CreationDate="2016-10-31T17:03:59.770" UserId="6494" />
  <row Id="13637" PostId="3022" Score="8" Text="Are you asking whether or not you should invite MO contributors in as coauthors when writing up (the answer is a very clear &quot;yes,&quot; if you want to stay ethical, at least that's my 2c), or if you should write something up at all (that's your decision entirely)?" CreationDate="2016-10-31T18:42:16.107" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="13647" PostId="3022" Score="0" Text="Where is the information actually found?  MathOverflow Q&amp;A's, as well as on all other SE sites, contain a &quot;cite&quot; link, and are publicly available and searchable records.  You can use their contributions by citing the appropriate Q&amp;A's, just as you would cite anything else in more traditional sources.  More than one published paper has done so.  Comments and chat conversations are also public records, but there may not be as convenient a citation mechanism.  Also comments are impermanent, and even Q&amp;A's can be deleted under certain circumstances." CreationDate="2016-11-04T06:57:23.553" UserId="41862" />
  <row Id="13651" PostId="3022" Score="7" Text="The situation is no different from asking questions in person or via email. The only complication is with anonymous posts." CreationDate="2016-11-04T15:41:48.247" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="13659" PostId="3022" Score="1" Text="@Igor I think it is different, because MO is public, answers even have their own links" CreationDate="2016-11-12T21:13:02.453" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="13638" PostId="3023" Score="2" Text="I agree with you, but I think that it's important to add an echo of [@ChristianRemling](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3022/using-mathoverflow-to-get-new-results-in-your-research-and-publish-them-afterwar#comment13637_3022)'s comment above.  I take the opportunity to summarise and editorialise as:  if you ever need to ask yourself whether you should offer someone else the opportunity to be a co-author, then the answer is almost certainly 'yes'." CreationDate="2016-10-31T19:46:01.610" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13639" PostId="3023" Score="0" Text="In an academic context, I think you are right, especially if you have something worth publishing and are forming relationships.  If the context is getting something out (either on ArXiv or on a personal page), I think authorship is a secondary consideration.  I am quite willing to disregard issues of priority or credit in favor of perspective and understanding as I read someone's take on a result.  Of course, if you want your take given due respect, you should respect and list sources and exercise due diligence.  Gerhard &quot;Give Respect To Get Respect&quot; Paseman, 2016.10.31." CreationDate="2016-10-31T19:58:12.980" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13650" PostId="3024" Score="3" Text="My impression is that mathematics questions on Academia.Se do usually get useful answers by professional mathematicians. Most of these mathematicians are also active on MO." CreationDate="2016-11-04T15:34:57.240" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="13655" PostId="3024" Score="2" Text="My own experiences on Academia.SE have not been as uniformly positive as those on MO." CreationDate="2016-11-05T07:38:01.240" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="13657" PostId="3024" Score="1" Text="+1: I agree with @MichaelGreinecker's comment, but as MO is more widely known in mathematics circles, I believe questions which fit into Academia.SE may get greater visibility here, and there is nothing wrong with questions being on topic on multiple sites." CreationDate="2016-11-07T00:16:59.947" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="13640" PostId="3025" Score="1" Text="The comments seemed to be taking the thread way off course.  In particular, Carlo's comment (the very first) was an excellent answer.  Your original question can likely be answered, but I doubt it will be any more useful than Carlo's." CreationDate="2016-11-02T07:54:48.730" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="13641" PostId="3025" Score="1" Text="@RyanBudney I agree that the comments and answers (except for the first few by Mauro Allegranzas) were taking the tread off track. But this also applies to Carlos comment: I was not asking for ways to interpret the notation, nor did I want to discuss its pros &amp; cons. So his comment does not answer the question. I wanted to know if it is possible to identify an early source who startet this. I added a clarification before it was put on hold, but seemingly that was not enough." CreationDate="2016-11-02T08:32:38.740" UserId="745" />
  <row Id="13642" PostId="3025" Score="1" Text="Having looked at hsm.stackexchange for the first time right now, I'm thinking it might be better to take such a question there. But that makes me wonder if MO should not generally discourage all history questions on its site from now on." CreationDate="2016-11-02T09:46:16.503" UserId="745" />
  <row Id="13643" PostId="3025" Score="6" Text="The existence of hsm.SE notwithstanding, questions on history of mathematics *are* on-topic on MO." CreationDate="2016-11-02T10:35:42.783" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13644" PostId="3025" Score="3" Text="On-topicness of questions on history of mathematics on MO notwithstanding, I notice that people who raise such questions are often referred to hsm.SE." CreationDate="2016-11-02T11:17:38.653" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13645" PostId="3026" Score="0" Text="Thanks Todd. Will do so." CreationDate="2016-11-02T13:17:53.163" UserId="745" />
  <row Id="13658" PostId="3026" Score="1" Text="Could downvoters please shed light on what they find unsatisfactory?" CreationDate="2016-11-07T18:59:18.870" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13646" PostId="3027" Score="7" Text="I think it's fine to do so." CreationDate="2016-11-03T22:52:16.773" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13648" PostId="3027" Score="3" Text="Limit yourself to reviving at most 5 dormant posts per day." CreationDate="2016-11-04T12:53:57.357" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13649" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="Rather similar older discussion: [What's our consensus on people resurrecting old questions just to edit formatting?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/169). BTW I think that ([meta-tag:bumping]) would be an appropriate tag for both of them (but I don't have enough reputation to edit on meta). I am not sure whether it adds anything relevant, but I will also add link to [this conversation in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/editing-titles-and-editing-old-posts)." CreationDate="2016-11-04T15:28:22.427" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13652" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar: Sure. I wasn't planning to go looking for posts." CreationDate="2016-11-05T00:29:03.073" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="13653" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Done and done." CreationDate="2016-11-05T00:54:12.823" UserId="21564" />
  <row Id="13656" PostId="3027" Score="7" Text="It depends whether the LaTeX is warranted. Editing to put `$ $` around a variable is not really that important. But posts where the user used _no_ LaTeX formatting and extensive pseudo-TeX clearly can benefit in terms of readability with the edit." CreationDate="2016-11-06T13:40:05.093" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13664" PostId="3030" Score="22" Text="I personally very much appreciate such edits. I do them myself." CreationDate="2016-11-16T11:48:03.963" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13665" PostId="3030" Score="4" Text="If the links are not paywalled (e.g. MathScinet?) then adding them can be a public service.  Gerhard &quot;Use Service Only For Good&quot; Paseman, 2016.11.16." CreationDate="2016-11-17T05:11:17.090" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13667" PostId="3030" Score="8" Text="@GerhardPaseman adding a link to the arXiv version of a paywalled paper is a good habit. Otherwise, adding a stable (eg doi) link is better than nothing. People who know how (and are willing) to use a doi to find a free copy of a paper will still find such a thing useful." CreationDate="2016-11-17T08:56:54.727" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13668" PostId="3030" Score="1" Text="This is almost my entire editing activity.  For what it's worth, I add links both to the paper and to the relevant MR." CreationDate="2016-11-17T17:01:32.277" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13671" PostId="3030" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman a link to a Mathscinet is not (at this date) paywalled (only the Mathscinet tools are paywalled, but access to the review isn't if you have the link)" CreationDate="2016-11-22T05:44:55.400" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="13675" PostId="3030" Score="0" Text="@Ycor, thanks for the update.  I recall there were some paywall link issues in the past, and I do not remember clearly if it was with MathSciNet or another service.  Gerhard &quot;Thus Using The Question Mark&quot; Paseman, 2016.11.22." CreationDate="2016-11-22T18:18:17.610" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13666" PostId="3031" Score="7" Text="I even go so far as to edit the context of the link: add a full human-readable reference. Or if there is merely a link (say just an arXiv link, or a doi, or an opaque publisher's-platform url) then I give it some detail so people can recognise the paper without clicking through." CreationDate="2016-11-17T08:54:52.837" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13674" PostId="3031" Score="3" Text="@DavidRoberts, thank you!  I hate looking at an old answer and seeing a linkrotted reference to &quot;these notes&quot;, which points to the old location of someone's web page ….  It's much harder to track down informal notes, especially without a title or description (even knowing the author), than a paper!" CreationDate="2016-11-22T17:42:16.290" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13669" PostId="3032" Score="1" Text="I think asking too many questions in one post is not a good fit for MO. -- Why not just ask one of your questions, see whether it is well-received, and if so, maybe ask the next one a couple of days later?" CreationDate="2016-11-20T11:11:22.357" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13670" PostId="3032" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl I just followed your advice and posted http://mathoverflow.net/questions/255157/schwarz-christoffel-mapping-for-generating-random-simple-polygons-and-polylines as a test balloon." CreationDate="2016-11-20T13:10:27.567" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="13676" PostId="3033" Score="1" Text="Thanks! I've fixed the certificate, and ensured that it will be renewed automatically. (By moving to Let's Encrypt and running [certbot](https://certbot.eff.org/#ubuntutrusty-apache).) However I seem to have broken something else at the same time, which I'm now working on." CreationDate="2016-11-22T22:25:04.073" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13686" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="@Scott: Is the certificate broken again? It seems to be searching for &quot;a long time&quot; without any results queries that returned citations in the past." CreationDate="2016-11-30T13:15:09.427" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13687" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="Using the web inspector in FireFox (or the equivalent tools in other browsers reveals that the citation helper tries to access https://ec2.mathoverflow.org/cite?q=simple+kac-moody+&amp;_=1480516698039 and that in turn gives a &quot;502 Proxy Error&quot;" CreationDate="2016-11-30T14:39:31.370" UserId="8338" />
  <row Id="13688" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="If the code for this thing was online somewhere, other people could help with the development... as it is, it is rather opaque how it works :/" CreationDate="2016-11-30T14:40:02.210" UserId="8338" />
  <row Id="13699" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="Sorry, the certificate is fine, the underlying engine is broken. I'm struggling to find the time, but am hopeful about the end of the week. I will certainly attempt to make it possible for others to help." CreationDate="2016-12-04T21:39:07.753" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13704" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="Everything is working again. The problem was a memory limit on the server, which I've raised." CreationDate="2016-12-08T03:21:45.710" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="16983" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison Can other sites, like CSTheory.SE where I'm a moderator, also get the citation helper? How would we go about that?" CreationDate="2018-08-23T05:32:47.950" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="17010" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="@BjørnKjos-Hanssen, the citation helper is back by Zentralblatt's database, so you would need to determine if their coverage of theoretical computer science was sufficient for your needs. If so, the endpoints is a public API (limited to returned 3 results per query), and so I think you'd just need to ask the Stack Exchange team to activate the same piece of javascript in the front end as we use." CreationDate="2018-08-25T13:26:45.410" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17132" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison thanks, and sorry for the ignorance but what's the best way to &quot;ask the Stack Exchange team&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-09-17T04:36:25.277" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="17134" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="@BjørnKjos-Hanssen, perhaps email community@stackexchange.com? It's probably worth mentioning you're a moderator, to increase the chance they notice your message!" CreationDate="2018-09-17T08:45:34.437" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17137" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison it worked!" CreationDate="2018-09-22T02:20:13.363" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="13672" PostId="3034" Score="4" Text="&quot;Conley index&quot; (with quotation marks) yields 14 references in Mathoverflow. Since you get this list by a straightforward search, the tag would be of little benefit. In general tags of broader audience are more useful." CreationDate="2016-11-22T05:50:19.017" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="13707" PostId="3034" Score="0" Text="Are you also asking what tag to apply to questions about Conley index theory, or only whether a tag [conley-index-theory] exists (or should exist)?" CreationDate="2016-12-13T09:31:04.617" UserId="11084" />
  <row Id="13677" PostId="3040" Score="7" Text="I've answered factually below, but frankly I think this feature, even if not technically a bug, is misguided. I was one of those who were skeptical about the move to the separate profile/activity pages that was instituted by the SE network, and this is one instance of why I think the skepticism was justified: this sort of cutesy nudging to make the sites more social-media like. The criticisms mounted here http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/251810/the-site-should-not-make-speculative-statements-about-its-users express some of the problems well." CreationDate="2016-11-27T01:05:37.823" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13678" PostId="3040" Score="8" Text="Actually, to everyone else _you_ also appear to prefer to keep an air of mystery about you. Until SE actually stops &quot;making speculative statements about its users&quot; you can enter something like `&amp;#8203;` (HTML code for a zero-width space) in your &quot;about me&quot; which the system will think is content, but will not render as anything visible. (Simply inserting nothing but spaces in your &quot;about me&quot; will not work.)" CreationDate="2016-11-27T09:30:26.910" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13691" PostId="3040" Score="3" Text="Why not something accurate like 'this user has not entered any description of themselves'? A lot of users probably don't care that much about a fancy outward-facing user profile, rather than any sort of inferred preference (if the intended user-base is computer programmers (i.e. SO), perhaps they have a compulsive need to fill out such forms, in case someone wants to hire them)" CreationDate="2016-12-01T06:53:57.487" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13681" PostId="3042" Score="2" Text="The problems you describe in your post are the reason why I sometimes explicitly point out in edit summary that the question has been bumped already before my edit - to make life for the reviewers a bit easier, like [here](http://mathoverflow.net/review/suggested-edits/69051)." CreationDate="2016-11-27T15:55:05.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13683" PostId="3042" Score="0" Text="I do the same when I make edits. But often when reviewing edits, the only info I have is when the post was originally made." CreationDate="2016-11-27T21:24:12.797" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="13685" PostId="3042" Score="3" Text="You can open the question in a separate tab to see. This is what I usually do. I can also see better how the question looks now." CreationDate="2016-11-28T11:47:23.390" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="13689" PostId="3044" Score="1" Text="A bit off topic: What is the point of &quot;theory&quot; on there?  We have tag (integration), not (integration-theory).  We have (commutative-rings) not (commutative-ring-theory) ... (analytic-number-theory) is OK, it is not about &quot;analytic numbers&quot;." CreationDate="2016-11-30T15:57:41.380" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="13690" PostId="3044" Score="2" Text="[transcendental-numbers] has 22 letters." CreationDate="2016-12-01T06:51:30.337" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14723" PostId="3044" Score="0" Text="In the meantime (transcend.-number-theory) has been renamed to ([tag:transcendental-number-theory]), see also [this answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/862/help-cleanup-tags/3340#3340)." CreationDate="2017-08-10T07:30:34.310" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13692" PostId="3046" Score="1" Text="The sites you mention are still in beta. According to [this answer](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/141/what-outgoing-migration-paths-should-we-have/163#163) only graduated sites can be used as migration paths." CreationDate="2016-12-03T13:57:37.793" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13694" PostId="3046" Score="2" Text="To my knowledge there is only a very limited number of open slots for further migration targets available in the dialog box you refer to. But more choices don't seem necessary as in the last 90 days there were only 9 questions which have been migrated from MO to sites other than math.SE -- cf. https://mathoverflow.net/tools/posts/migrated/stats." CreationDate="2016-12-03T14:09:11.423" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13695" PostId="3046" Score="0" Text="@Kohl I don't have enough rep to access the SE tools. My question is triggered by the following [post](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/256290/appropriate-journal-for-an-article-on-practical-mathematical-teaching)." CreationDate="2016-12-03T14:14:36.997" UserId="6129" />
  <row Id="13696" PostId="3046" Score="6" Text="In a case like this you can always flag for moderator attention. -- Moderators can migrate questions to any SE site." CreationDate="2016-12-03T15:02:19.103" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13700" PostId="3047" Score="4" Text="You can always ask an author directly, provided that the author is a living person and you have the contact data, and you are always welcome to ask on-topic questions on MO. Questions of the type you suggest could sometimes be taken as &quot;too localized&quot; for MO -- but apart from this, what kind of advice are you hoping for?" CreationDate="2016-12-06T16:46:29.667" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13702" PostId="3047" Score="1" Text="My question is about how to resolve the following dilemma: Ask such a question, which I think would be of general interest, in a public forum, where the discussion of the question will be seen by everyone, but risk not getting an answer, as opposed to, asking the author in private, obtain an answer with high likelihood, but also increase the likelihood, that the answer will never be available to the public." CreationDate="2016-12-07T09:11:31.143" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="13703" PostId="3047" Score="0" Text="To more specifically answer the question of @StefanKohl of what advise I was hoping for:  I was hoping a) for ideas on how to properly weigh the two sides in the dilemma considered in my previous comment, and b) to be made aware of aspects of the problem I hadn't considered, such as such questions having an inherent propensity of possibly being too localized, or such nitpicking might touch upon issues that an author might not want to discuss in a public forum, as suggested in Gerhard's answer." CreationDate="2016-12-07T09:17:20.217" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="13706" PostId="3053" Score="0" Text="So it's really just modifying `getCitationHtml`to match the JSON data from ZBL?" CreationDate="2016-12-13T06:31:20.913" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13708" PostId="3053" Score="0" Text="Yes, I think so. It should be quite straightforward." CreationDate="2016-12-13T21:54:56.650" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13710" PostId="3053" Score="0" Text="I gave it my mediocre shot." CreationDate="2016-12-13T22:26:02.850" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13855" PostId="3053" Score="2" Text="I've marked this as &quot;status-planned&quot;, as the modified code is now off to Stack Exchange for review, and hopefully deployment not far down the track." CreationDate="2017-01-13T00:03:24.550" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="14054" PostId="3053" Score="0" Text="I think now it's as good a time as any to put [tag:status-completed] on this post." CreationDate="2017-03-10T17:47:00.593" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13722" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="Is there any chance to get the &quot;source&quot; field break down to journal/volume/number/pages/year? You know, like a proper .bib citation?" CreationDate="2016-12-15T07:29:48.337" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13723" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="I'll ask, but my contact at Zentralblatt is now on holidays." CreationDate="2016-12-15T22:09:04.370" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13757" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="Scott, being unfamiliar with the Christian world's holidays. When do these holidays end usually? Do we have to wait until next year? That's insane, it's an entire year! :-)" CreationDate="2016-12-26T10:05:03.123" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13760" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="He said he'll back be mid-January." CreationDate="2016-12-26T21:13:56.600" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13817" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="Is next week &quot;mid-January&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-01-07T08:35:16.320" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13848" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="Ok, &quot;mid-January&quot; is now. :-) Could you explain why it would be better to break the source field down into components? Fabian at Zentralblatt says it might be possible, but I'm hesitant to ask him to do this work without good motivation." CreationDate="2017-01-11T22:16:46.257" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13851" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="Well, it's nicer to have a better control over the formatting of the output. I figured it must be a few lines of code (instead of collecting journal/volume/number/pages/year into one field, just return them separately). If it's a lot of work, I guess we can work with what we have." CreationDate="2017-01-12T06:07:20.540" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13854" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="We've decided it's too much work." CreationDate="2017-01-12T22:31:23.333" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13856" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="Oh well. Thanks anyway." CreationDate="2017-01-13T04:45:35.037" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13709" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="I have never worked with Jason, so I have no idea if this is even valid. Do let me know, though." CreationDate="2016-12-13T22:25:54.030" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13716" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="First --- we're going to have to work out how to test this. Can someone who knows how to do this show us how to modify in place the javascript coming from SE?" CreationDate="2016-12-15T01:10:46.800" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13718" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="Second, I see some problems. &#xA;1) `json.links` is an array, possibly empty. If it is non-empty, we want to use the first entry as the URL. If it is empty we don't want to hyperlink the title. &#xA;2) There is no longer a `json.citation_markdown` field." CreationDate="2016-12-15T01:12:44.160" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13719" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="(Thanks, of course, for making a start!)" CreationDate="2016-12-15T01:13:01.077" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13720" PostId="3055" Score="1" Text="I guess we can change this using Developer Tools to change an instance of the running code and check. I'll give it a shot in a little bit." CreationDate="2016-12-15T07:06:45.867" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13721" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="Also, I think that in answers if you use an empty link, it just produces a text." CreationDate="2016-12-15T07:07:35.923" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13725" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="I added a test for `json.links` being empty; I think the previous code would have linked to &quot;undefined&quot;." CreationDate="2016-12-15T22:35:18.773" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13726" PostId="3055" Score="3" Text="We are now waiting on Zentralblatt adding an `Allow-Access-Control-Origin` header, so that we can test this code. No update expected until mid-January." CreationDate="2016-12-15T23:09:44.223" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13857" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="Any news on the header issue?" CreationDate="2017-01-13T04:57:25.543" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13858" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="The headers are all fixed.  For now it allows all cross domain requests." CreationDate="2017-01-13T21:41:52.780" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13713" PostId="3056" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I am not particularly worried about anonymity it is more for formal reasons." CreationDate="2016-12-14T10:44:54.797" UserId="5034" />
  <row Id="13714" PostId="3056" Score="6" Text="Reminder: while posting (asking, answering, and commenting) from different accounts (including anonymous accounts) is not actively forbidden, voting or behaving poorly using separate accounts on Stackexchange is forbidden.  Use such accounts wisely and only for good.  Gerhard &quot;Ask Me About Multiple Accounts&quot; Paseman, 2016.12.14." CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:13:13.010" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13715" PostId="3057" Score="17" Text="My preference would be, accept the answer, edit the question to note that the fourth part has not been answered and to link to the new question where you ask the fourth part (and put a link to the old question at the new one." CreationDate="2016-12-14T22:15:22.613" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13717" PostId="3057" Score="5" Text="I too would suggest not editing out the fourth part of the old question.  You can make an edit that mildly reduces the emphasis of the fourth part and then proceed as Gerry Myerson recommends.  Gerhard &quot;Prefers Inclusionist History To Revisionist&quot; Paseman, 2016.12.14." CreationDate="2016-12-15T01:12:34.817" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13732" PostId="3057" Score="0" Text="If my answer is what stops you from doing so, I don't mind deleting it." CreationDate="2016-12-16T23:00:09.227" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13740" PostId="3057" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Please don't delete it - I like your answer very much! And partly for that reason I was reluctant to change the question to make it irrelevant. I'm going to follow Gerry's advice, and if you prefer you can post that answer under my new question and delete the one under my old question, but I hope you won't simply delete it entirely." CreationDate="2016-12-19T19:38:30.760" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="13728" PostId="3058" Score="2" Text="Some of the topics you describe remind me the question which typically appear under the tag ([tag:advice]). So you can browse that tag to see whether similar questions have been asked in the past. (Of course, if some type of question was accepted in the past, it is not generally an evidence that it is still on-topic now. MathOverflow (similarly as other SE sites) evolve over time.)" CreationDate="2016-12-16T01:27:51.107" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13729" PostId="3058" Score="2" Text="Note that some of the questions you mention are, unless narrowed considerably, not quite answerable questions - those are likely to be off topic on [academia.se], even though academic life and research practices are generally on topic there. (We're still a Q&amp;A site, _not_ a discussion site.) Feel free to drop in to the Academia chat room if you're not sure if a question is on topic and want some feedback before posting it." CreationDate="2016-12-16T02:30:20.167" UserId="65986" />
  <row Id="13730" PostId="3058" Score="1" Text="BTW there are also some [chat rooms](http://chat.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&amp;sort=active&amp;host=mathoverflow.net) associated with MO. The one name [MathOverflow](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/9369/mathoverflow) has the following description: &quot;General discussion for http://mathoverflow.net&quot;. So I guess asking about something off-topic on the main site but still relevant for site users would also be possible there. (However, at the moment this chat room is almost unused.)" CreationDate="2016-12-16T07:00:02.783" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13724" PostId="3059" Score="0" Text="Thank you for this answer, it is then Academia which is appropriate and was out of my knowledge." CreationDate="2016-12-15T22:31:20.167" UserId="43737" />
  <row Id="16195" PostId="3059" Score="0" Text="What about for questions about these issues, but for where you would like specifically to ask professional mathematicians for advice on doing mathematics? As a young mathematician, I have wanted to ask some older mathematicians on how they structure their research. Closely related to the above &quot;how do I chose the articles I read?&quot; question. I don't feel academia.stackexchange is quite right here, which seems more about beurocratic things, but is it appropriate to ask on MO?" CreationDate="2018-04-06T19:33:25.970" UserId="66025" />
  <row Id="16196" PostId="3059" Score="1" Text="You can do what many have done: ask on MathOverflow and see what reaction you get.  Unless done carefully or with luck, it will likely get closed and not reopened.  You can do what I did: my first and most successful question on MathOverflow was previewed and critiqued on meta.mathoverflow. I took the feedback and improved the question, and then summarized many of the answers I got for people in a hurry.  31337, if you want to check it out. Gerhard &quot;Recommends Doing What He Did&quot; Paseman, 2018.04.06." CreationDate="2018-04-06T22:17:06.570" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13735" PostId="3060" Score="0" Text="I've tried to do some editing. Of course we don't know how badly it will fail before we can test it properly. But I do think that having separate fields for the citation parts is crucial for getting properly formatted output. I'm not entirely sure about the `free` and `pdf` fields, though." CreationDate="2016-12-17T09:23:38.277" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13736" PostId="3060" Score="0" Text="I probably messed it up, but I tried to add a code that checks if there is a link with `arxiv` substring, and in that case it adds it to the optional links." CreationDate="2016-12-18T07:54:58.277" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13737" PostId="3060" Score="0" Text="Ah, good idea. Fixed [two problems](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/3060/revisions)." CreationDate="2016-12-18T21:08:09.517" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="13738" PostId="3060" Score="0" Text="Wow, only one minor typo and one syntactic problem? Impressive." CreationDate="2016-12-19T05:17:40.653" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13750" PostId="3060" Score="0" Text="You might want to test it before you push it, I have created a Stack Snippet [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/288724/158100). I'm not sure what is in the pending edit but you need to remove `.citation` from this line `var result = response.results[i].citation;` otherwise it won't work. If you find Stack Snippets to cumbersome, consider a jsfiddle." CreationDate="2016-12-23T20:48:26.713" UserId="46099" />
  <row Id="13756" PostId="3060" Score="0" Text="@rene: Of course there will be testing before we push the new code. But we need to wait for ZBL to fix some stuff, and maybe return &quot;better json&quot; (as you can find in the comments to the other answers on this page)." CreationDate="2016-12-26T09:34:36.060" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13731" PostId="3061" Score="2" Text="Terminology is either standard or it is defined before it is used. -- In the former case you can just google for the definition, and in the latter case you need to look up the definition in the book or paper where it is used. I think in none of these cases asking for a definition is on-topic on MO." CreationDate="2016-12-16T18:34:53.547" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13733" PostId="3061" Score="0" Text="I think that ([meta-tag:allowed-questions]) would be a suitable tag here. (Not enough rep to edit on meta, so posting a comment instead.)" CreationDate="2016-12-17T06:25:05.967" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13734" PostId="3061" Score="0" Text="Although the standards of this site (and of other sites in SE network) change over time, it might be reasonable to check [similar questions from the past](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22what+is%22+site:mathoverflow.net). Also, if I see the title:&quot;What is A?&quot;, it is possible to interpret it as: 1) I know the definition of A, but could you help me get some insight into what this actually means. 2) The notion A is used in this paper without a definition. Can someone with knowledge of that field give the definition and some references? You are talking about the possibility 2), right?" CreationDate="2016-12-17T06:30:09.880" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13741" PostId="3063" Score="5" Text="You don't gain reputation on meta." CreationDate="2016-12-20T02:59:53.633" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13742" PostId="3063" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Oh yeah, good point." CreationDate="2016-12-20T03:00:51.210" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="13744" PostId="3065" Score="15" Text="I would ignore the name, as there are worse possibilities (e.g. &quot;XXXX Must Die!&quot;) and the important thing is the behaviour.  Of course, bad behavior should be reported, regardless of the name that incites it. If this entity actually causes a President-elect or other government officials to act better on the basis of mathematical knowledge, I am for it.  Gerhard &quot;For A Notion Of 'Better'&quot; Paseman, 2016.12.23." CreationDate="2016-12-23T19:00:47.030" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13748" PostId="3065" Score="33" Text="If the user name sounds like a real name, then I think it should be the real name of the owner of the user account; similarly, if the picture shows a human, it should show the owner of the user account -- everything else is at least bad style. Also, I think one should not choose user names or -pictures which are designed to be controversial or offensive." CreationDate="2016-12-23T20:36:37.487" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13752" PostId="3065" Score="6" Text="Of course, it's not entirely impossible that there is a mathematician who happens to have the same name as some more famous person. For example, [George Bush](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&amp;q=author%3Ageorge-c-bush). (Although the mathematician is George C. Bush.)" CreationDate="2016-12-24T14:01:29.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13753" PostId="3065" Score="5" Text="@MartinSleziak Naturally, although the name *and* photo here leaves little doubt." CreationDate="2016-12-24T16:00:24.070" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13754" PostId="3065" Score="39" Text="Who is to say that the president-elect is not versed in algebraic geometry?" CreationDate="2016-12-24T19:07:42.637" UserDisplayName="user75451" />
  <row Id="13755" PostId="3065" Score="24" Text="@Servaes A delightful thought!  A rigorous study of mathematics should be a requirement for all politicians; didn't Plato propose that in The Republic, as part of the training for the philosopher-ruler? ;-)" CreationDate="2016-12-24T21:27:04.013" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13780" PostId="3065" Score="3" Text="Related questions on Stack Exchange Meta: [Is it ok to impersonate a public figure?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/13039/166789) and Stack Overflow meta: [What is the policy on user names that are obvious impersonators of actual persons?](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/319809/660921)" CreationDate="2017-01-02T14:55:09.477" UserId="103109" />
  <row Id="13781" PostId="3065" Score="3" Text="This isn't acceptable to let him keep this username (and with the photo). To me it is provocation from this user. @ToddTrimble" CreationDate="2017-01-03T00:41:03.667" UserId="84768" />
  <row Id="13782" PostId="3065" Score="1" Text="@user1952009 Thanks for your comment. This is a live issue still and we might take action yet; my answer below wasn't necessarily the final word. However, I personally am wary of slippery slopes about having to police names (as indicated at the end of my answer)." CreationDate="2017-01-03T01:17:57.313" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13745" PostId="3066" Score="3" Text="I am not sure MO participates in Winter Bash: [Winter Bash on MO?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2053)" CreationDate="2016-12-23T19:18:36.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13746" PostId="3067" Score="1" Text="I like curmudgeons ... Who doesn't?" CreationDate="2016-12-23T19:22:47.557" UserId="12204" />
  <row Id="13747" PostId="3067" Score="0" Text="Not my place to argue for or against hats here. From an anthropological perspective, hats are part of the network's rites of intensification. Sites like to be involved because they create and reinforce a sense of community. I'm pleased to have MathOverflow part of the network whether y'all feel like part of the larger community or not. You belong here and we respect your preference to opt out." CreationDate="2016-12-23T19:24:19.787" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="13749" PostId="3067" Score="1" Text="Thank you @Jon and Tintin. In case it isn't clear, the above is my sole opinion, but I believe is shared by many in the community. We curmudgeons are glad to contribute our social presence and pressure toward the common good at a moderated pace.  Those wishing to join the Curmudgeon Bash Winter Bash Party and Potluck may edit below the post signature to sign up. Gerhard &quot;It's Really A Committee Meeting&quot; Paseman, 2016.12.23." CreationDate="2016-12-23T20:47:43.233" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13751" PostId="3069" Score="16" Text="I don't see anything particularly wrong with this answer, and wondered why the downvotes." CreationDate="2016-12-24T12:47:40.840" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21254" PostId="3069" Score="2" Text="How can we know that you're the real user642796 and not just an impostor?" CreationDate="2019-11-08T20:32:50.620" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="21122" PostId="3071" Score="2" Text="I receive some AMS email alerts and just noticed some familiar MO names (otherwise I probably wouldn't have opened the article). It looks like the paper is now available in Transaction of the AMS at https://doi.org/10.1090/tran/7881 and references the original question (and the question links back to this meta post)." CreationDate="2019-10-07T16:20:25.477" UserId="51771" />
  <row Id="13761" PostId="3074" Score="1" Text="Your question is fine; others have made similar requests at meta." CreationDate="2016-12-27T11:38:37.517" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13762" PostId="3074" Score="0" Text="@Todd: Maybe it's worth having one thread for these type of requests." CreationDate="2016-12-27T14:05:35.523" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13763" PostId="3076" Score="1" Text="Just type it in like any other text, without using MathJax or any other fancy things: Gâteaux. Or paste it from somewhere else if your keyboard doesn't easily permit entering an â." CreationDate="2016-12-29T10:24:08.547" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13764" PostId="3076" Score="0" Text="In the latter way, you can also enter e.g. chinese text: 曼弗雷德·魏斯" CreationDate="2016-12-29T10:32:13.213" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13765" PostId="3076" Score="2" Text="I would revert to html, typing `G&amp;acirc;teaux`." CreationDate="2016-12-29T11:50:18.110" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13766" PostId="3076" Score="0" Text="A side note: SE search should return more-or-less the same results both for [Gâteaux](http://mathoverflow.net/search?q=G%C3%A2teaux) and [Gateaux](http://mathoverflow.net/search?q=Gateaux). Somewhat related post on meta.math.SE: [Searching for accented characters is too strict](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/8698)." CreationDate="2016-12-29T12:33:37.007" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13767" PostId="3076" Score="0" Text="Related older post on this meta: [LaTeX style accents in regular text](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/290)" CreationDate="2016-12-29T12:40:24.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13768" PostId="3076" Score="0" Text="Thanks to all commenters for the good tips!" CreationDate="2016-12-29T14:05:03.530" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="13769" PostId="3076" Score="1" Text="And since I am posting lost of links perhaps two more from superuser will not do any harm. (I am sure many more entries like that can be found on various SE sites.) [Insert Unicode characters via the keyboard?](http://superuser.com/q/47420) and [How do I type accented characters in windows?](http://superuser.com/q/110605)" CreationDate="2016-12-29T14:35:56.720" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13770" PostId="3077" Score="3" Text="Thanks. This may seem picky, but some users may prefer that this post be cast in the form of an actual  question, e.g., have the third paragraph start &quot;May I suggest... ?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-12-29T19:45:07.567" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13814" PostId="3077" Score="6" Text="Just so you know, MathSciNet does work very hard behind the scenes to disambiguate authors. Each individual author, as far as they can figure it out, has a unique identifier and they record that against a paper/review, not just the author's name." CreationDate="2017-01-06T21:24:25.323" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13834" PostId="3077" Score="7" Text="Just as an anecdote, in the field of analysis on metric spaces (or thereabouts) there are publications by two people named Guy David. The first is 'the' Guy David of the David-Semmes renown, the other a postdoc who graduated from UCLA a few years back. The latter uses &quot;Guy C. David&quot; in his papers; apparently he almost ended up as a postdoc under Guy David!" CreationDate="2017-01-09T05:56:18.217" UserId="26815" />
  <row Id="16108" PostId="3078" Score="1" Text="Gerhard, you of all of people are known by lots of names!" CreationDate="2018-03-24T05:58:32.347" UserId="8508" />
  <row Id="13774" PostId="3080" Score="0" Text="I'd think that (b) would send a clear signal, even to newcomers. Why don't you think so?" CreationDate="2017-01-01T20:25:45.627" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13775" PostId="3080" Score="2" Text="I do of course, but the downvotes may not appear soon enough to warn the first 5 or 10 readers, and there may well be newcomers to MO among those." CreationDate="2017-01-01T21:20:22.443" UserId="50912" />
  <row Id="13776" PostId="3080" Score="6" Text="If a newcomer happens upon MathOverflow and decides to judge it by only 2 minutes of attention, there isn't much we can do if we do not get to pick the two minutes for the newcomer.  I suspect the turnaway rate for your proposed scenario is less than 1% of that for all scenarios combined, and that retention and empowering are larger issues among those who may decide to make MathOverflow part of their routine. I fear trying to tune the system to help those few who have neither your a nor your b available will throw it out of whack.  Gerhard &quot;Some Moles Should Be Ignored&quot; Paseman, 2017.01.01." CreationDate="2017-01-01T23:28:11.500" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13777" PostId="3080" Score="21" Text="My own experience with the site (which is plenty) is that crackpot posts are identified and downvoted/closed very, very rapidly. Unless some evidence is presented to the contrary, I just don't see reason to worry about this imagined scenario. (I *definitely* do not support any measure that treats Math.SE as a dumping ground for low-quality questions.)" CreationDate="2017-01-02T00:27:26.773" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13778" PostId="3080" Score="0" Text="Thank you Todd for clarifying. Should you decide to post this as an answer I'd accept it, if you see it fit." CreationDate="2017-01-02T01:20:20.800" UserId="50912" />
  <row Id="13779" PostId="3080" Score="9" Text="I assume that, being now in the Stack Exchange networks, that temporary [post bans](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/post-ban/info) for users who ask too many badly received (downvoted, closed, deleted) questions are applied also on MO. But I do not know details about how these post bans work. (As far as I can remember, it can influence mostly new users. A user who already gained some non-negligible reputation from their previous posts is very likely &quot;safe&quot; from the post ban.)" CreationDate="2017-01-02T07:58:14.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13887" PostId="3080" Score="0" Text="It seems like a good way to promote high quality questions from knowledgeable mathematicians is to encourage users to not just ask questions but to answer (preferrably non-CW) questions as well. After all, if someone is unable to give answers to (non-CW) Mathoverflow level questions, then that person will probably not ask the best questions here on Mathoverflow. If a regular user is encouraged to answer (preferably non-CW) Mathoverflow questions and not just ask them, then such a user will obtain a greater sense of whether a question would be good for MathOverflow or borderline." CreationDate="2017-01-17T17:54:26.137" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="13888" PostId="3080" Score="0" Text="Perhaps users who have asked several borderline questions but who have not answered any (non-CW) questions could receive a message saying something like &quot;You have not answered any questions on this site yet. Would you instead like to give an answer instead of asking another question?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-01-17T17:54:39.300" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="13785" PostId="3081" Score="4" Text="It seems that the votes here were largely in favor of condoning the user, so I am a bit surprised by this decision." CreationDate="2017-01-04T18:30:48.860" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="13786" PostId="3081" Score="8" Text="I'm not sure how one can interpret votes in this case, but I for one am happy with this decision. I had been thinking seriously about deleting my account in protest." CreationDate="2017-01-05T01:13:42.633" UserId="4144" />
  <row Id="13788" PostId="3081" Score="12" Text="@DonuArapura You are far too valuable a contributor to lose over such a thing." CreationDate="2017-01-05T13:24:44.947" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13818" PostId="3082" Score="4" Text="Techinically, adding `site:mathoverflow.net` at the end of a Google search already gives a third-party search engine. If the important point here is the Latex support, you should probably mention it in the question." CreationDate="2017-01-07T09:35:55.340" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="13819" PostId="3082" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni: I didn't know that such think can indeed be done. Thanks for the information." CreationDate="2017-01-07T17:19:24.447" UserDisplayName="user57432" />
  <row Id="13820" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="A naive question: for latex expressions, does it search for the exact character string?  I am in the habit of inserting blank spaces in expressions for various reasons, one being readability. But many users don't." CreationDate="2017-01-07T19:05:01.207" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13821" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I suppose Wei Zhong will give you more details but very short answer is no, it is not search for exact string. You might find a bit of explanation in chat, for example [here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/46148?m=32750736#32750736) and perhaps also [here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/46148/2016/12/31)." CreationDate="2017-01-07T21:04:30.397" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13822" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Martin is right." CreationDate="2017-01-08T07:55:03.477" UserId="43227" />
  <row Id="13835" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I would say that a good way to get at least some basic insight into what the capabilities of this search engine are and for what type of searches it is useful, you might tried some queries tested before by other users. You can find such queries for example in [comments on math.SE](https://data.stackexchange.com/math/query/556789/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author?Word=approach0) (and to a lesser extent on MO) or in [this chatroom](http://chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=approach0.xyz%2Fsearch&amp;room=46148)." CreationDate="2017-01-09T08:43:37.250" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13838" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="I tried a few searches: $\int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{-x^2}dx$ was good, $\mathbb{R}P^\infty$ was not bad, $M\otimes N$ gave lots of hits for $MN$ or $m\times n$ which is not so useful, $\Omega S^3$ gave results which made no sense to me at all.  Still, the basic framework looks very promising, and I am sure that the algorithm can be tweaked." CreationDate="2017-01-10T00:12:00.770" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="13840" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="@NeilStrickland I will mention that it is possible to link to a search - like [here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/46148/2017/1/10). This makes it easier for others if they want to try the same search - all they have to do is to click on the link. (But I guess that after including all four links, not much space would be left for the rest of the comment due to character limit.)" CreationDate="2017-01-10T01:50:33.147" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13843" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="@NeilStrickland Thank you so much for your feedback, after I made a little tuning on my ranking formula, now it looks much better if you [search for $\Omega S^3$](https://approach0.xyz/search/?q=%24%5COmega%20S%5E3%24&amp;p=1). For more detail see my explanation in [chat room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/46148/2017/1/10)." CreationDate="2017-01-10T16:06:16.943" UserId="43227" />
  <row Id="13844" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="@WeiZhong: I have put some further test cases in a separate answer." CreationDate="2017-01-10T17:18:26.187" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="13847" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="@NeilStrickland I do not have enough reputation to comment under your answer, but like you have assumed in that answer, perhaps there is no relevant document there. So the best way to indicate  there may be something wrong is to identify a post (ensure it is not too new, if so it may not be indexed yet) on MSE and you are unable to search it via Approach0. In this case, please report to me." CreationDate="2017-01-11T13:28:58.747" UserId="43227" />
  <row Id="13902" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="@NeilStrickland For your fourth point, you can get results by removing the a pair of bracket: https://approach0.xyz/search/?q=%24Gal%5Cleft(%5Cfrac%7B%5Coverline%7BQ%7D%7D%7BQ%5C%20%7D%5Cright)%24&amp;p=1" CreationDate="2017-01-19T14:01:21.617" UserId="43227" />
  <row Id="13799" PostId="3088" Score="7" Text="Isn't peer-review quite orthogonal to the purpose of MathOverflow? -- I'd rather think such feature may be a worthwhile addition to the arXiv, but I can't really imagine how to sensibly integrate this into MathOverflow." CreationDate="2017-01-05T23:43:45.967" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13800" PostId="3088" Score="2" Text="Quite orthogonal? In which metric? or ...geometry ;)" CreationDate="2017-01-06T01:26:15.543" UserId="85967" />
  <row Id="13801" PostId="3088" Score="7" Text="Now seriously: arXiv isn't really much of a community, at least not in the terms of the communities of the stackexchange network. In this sense, it  more resembles (imo) traditional journals. I was thinking of motivating ideas for sensibly integrating such a feature in Mathoverflow community." CreationDate="2017-01-06T01:29:45.020" UserId="85967" />
  <row Id="13807" PostId="3088" Score="1" Text="What would be the legal status of a paper you post here? Things on the SE network has a free license. How do you think a journal would react when these license terms overrule charging money for publication?" CreationDate="2017-01-06T15:45:03.477" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13808" PostId="3088" Score="1" Text="(And please don't give me that &quot;you won't have to publish in a conventional journal!&quot; answer. When search committee/tenure committees/or otherwise committees agree that MO reputation is equivalent to actual reputation, and I can get a permanent position over my participation here, then we can talk. Until then, this is just something nice to write in CV in addition to having my papers published properly.)" CreationDate="2017-01-06T15:47:47.690" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13811" PostId="3088" Score="8" Text="@AsafKaragila and others it should probably be clarified that for the Reviews section of PhysicsOverflow the papers themself do not actually get posted to the site. Each question that suggests a paper to be reviewed (called submission) contains a link to its online source (mostly ArXiv) together with the abstract and potentially additional comments. Should MathOverflow decide to adopt a similar procedure that just links to the papers to get discussed, there should be no legal issues or obstructions coming up ..." CreationDate="2017-01-06T16:09:07.270" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13813" PostId="3088" Score="0" Text="@Dilaton: It's true, I don't know what or how the feature works over at the other website. However, the answers and arguments here are in favor of piloting a feature that would act as a de facto refereeing process for a paper." CreationDate="2017-01-06T16:12:01.450" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13815" PostId="3088" Score="7" Text="May I point out https://pubpeer.com ? They currently get most activity around biology papers, and mostly people pointing out 'mistakes', innocent or otherwise, but everything on the arXiv, and everything with a DOI is indexed and can be commented on. This would cover almost all mathematics papers." CreationDate="2017-01-06T21:29:53.113" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13827" PostId="3088" Score="1" Text="You should probably describe in the body of your question what the Review section of Physics Overflow does. A link is not enough for us to understand." CreationDate="2017-01-08T22:07:07.350" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="13849" PostId="3088" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni the basic idea behind the [Reviews secion](http://physicsoverflow.org/faq#a4807) of PhysicsOverflow is rather simple: the question suggests a paper to be reviewed, the answers contain (partial) reviews, and further discussion can take place in comments to both. There are two different criteria the paper can be rated on separately (accuracy and originality), but maybe MO would be just fine keeping the normal voting system for the review questions." CreationDate="2017-01-11T22:18:53.517" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="13850" PostId="3088" Score="1" Text="The only thing a bit tricky I could imagine is to achieve that the author(s) of the paper earn(s) the rep from the votes on the review question, in case the person who suggests the paper to be reviewed is not an author of it. On PhysicsOverflow, we have a dedicated meta thread where people can claim authorship and subsequently have the review questions that contain their papers assigned to their account." CreationDate="2017-01-11T22:22:51.767" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="20591" PostId="3088" Score="3" Text="This question is from January 2017.  It would be interesting to hear comments on how well Reviews on PhysicsOverflow have worked in the last 2.5 years." CreationDate="2019-07-19T13:38:13.083" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="20822" PostId="3088" Score="0" Text="I plan to start an area 51 site. Any support is welcome! [Area 51 community peer review](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4320/40644)" CreationDate="2019-08-13T13:53:20.680" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20823" PostId="3088" Score="1" Text="@GeraldEdgar PO has 165 review requests to date, around one review request per month and almost every second request has a review." CreationDate="2019-08-13T14:20:50.400" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="13787" PostId="3090" Score="2" Text="This sounds like a job for the Stackexchange Data Explorer." CreationDate="2017-01-05T13:13:53.727" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13789" PostId="3090" Score="2" Text="To add to Emil Jeřábek's comment, links to some basic info about SEDE are available [in the data-explorer tag-wiki](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info)." CreationDate="2017-01-05T13:26:19.733" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13790" PostId="3090" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Yes indeed. It is about a query, and I hope a specialist can provide the &quot;code&quot; in less than one minute. :) And then there is the badge suggestion." CreationDate="2017-01-05T13:51:16.893" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="13791" PostId="3090" Score="2" Text="@Wolfgang Is this query along the lines of what you wanted: [Questions with all answers having at least given score](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/611696/questions-with-all-answers-having-at-least-given-score)." CreationDate="2017-01-05T14:10:21.020" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13793" PostId="3090" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes it does, thank you! Just wondering why the current question doesn't appear in the list..." CreationDate="2017-01-05T16:25:12.133" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="13794" PostId="3090" Score="3" Text="Well as you probably know (or you can learn from the links mentioned in previous comments), data in SEDE are updated once a week. So you can either wait a bit or change the parameters to [4 answers with score at least 8](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/611696/questions-with-all-answers-having-at-least-given-score?NumberOfAnswers=4&amp;MinScore=8) and then you will find the question (in the current version of the data in SEDE) with score 17, 4 answers and lowest answer score 8." CreationDate="2017-01-05T16:27:56.870" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13795" PostId="3090" Score="0" Text="OK,  thank you very much!" CreationDate="2017-01-05T16:29:31.593" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="13797" PostId="3091" Score="1" Text="thank you for your feedback. This is what I had in mind initially: trying an experimental form of community peer-reviewing (possibly in some seperate stream) and watching it over time to see whether it will prove successfull and to what extend. I have some more concrete thoughts about it but I am sure lots of other people will also have. I will wait for some more feedback and maybe I will come back with some edit or some new relevant post. Maybe it would be also interesting and relevant to discuss what mathematical peer-reviewing is today and what it should be ...." CreationDate="2017-01-05T20:40:50.777" UserId="85967" />
  <row Id="13798" PostId="3091" Score="2" Text="There have been previous attempts at such discussion.  Perhaps someone will recall Andrew Stacey's website which was like old meta for publishing (I forgot).  Also some overlay journals and things like the Selected Papers Network exist.  Also, the nLab is a successful variation but using notes instead of papers.  I encourage an independent effort by motivated members of this community.  I discourage making any tight links between such an effort and MathOverflow as we don't understand how frail or robust is the forum ecology.  Gerhard &quot;Do Not Globally Warm MathOverflow&quot; Paseman, 2017.01.05." CreationDate="2017-01-05T21:23:39.623" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13802" PostId="3091" Score="1" Text="Joel, this sounds like &quot;This sounds like a very good *another* site to have linked from the main page, perhaps even an RSS-feed thereof&quot;. I'm not disagreeing with your claims about refereeing being broken (although I admittedly had very limited tenure on both side of the process), but it seems like a bad fit to this website. I do think, though, that if such an experiment is constructed properly, having an RSS feed or some link highly visible on the main page is not necessarily a bad thing." CreationDate="2017-01-06T09:32:15.643" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13803" PostId="3091" Score="6" Text="Oh, my view is that the peer-review system would be most successful and interesting, if it should be integrated with the MO site, and not merely linked or conceived as a separate site. Indeed, I think this kind of integration is what could make it successful. It would add to MO. The expertise is here, the interest, the number of knowledgeable people. Imagine having great papers come up in the MO feed---it would be great! Commenting on papers is similar enough to answering questions, a kind of long-form question, that I think it would work well as an integrated system. This is why I support it." CreationDate="2017-01-06T10:50:58.547" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="13804" PostId="3091" Score="0" Text="Oddly enough, however, despite being on arXiv for a while, for the whole world to see, I receive little to no comments on my papers (the one about Fodor's lemma received some comments from people who were asked specifically to read it, but not much else). Do you think that if I had posted them here, it would be any different?" CreationDate="2017-01-06T13:04:10.673" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13805" PostId="3091" Score="8" Text="Yes, I do, and that is why I support this idea, as an integrated system. The difference is that we have here a community of expert mathematicians ready to engage in mathematics online. If the reviews are part of some other site, merely linked to here, then it will be dead." CreationDate="2017-01-06T13:19:19.020" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="13806" PostId="3091" Score="4" Text="So all those people, many of which I met already in real life, who have looked at my paper in the arXiv announcements and said &quot;Eh, I'll read it later&quot;, would suddenly be eager to help. Other than the novelty factor, which tends to dry out after a couple of weeks (or months at best), how is this sustainable? Especially since the expert of a given field remain the same expert over a long period of time." CreationDate="2017-01-06T15:43:44.457" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13809" PostId="3091" Score="21" Text="My opinion is that MathOverflow works in large part due to the genius social engineering of the site, which for various reasons that the social scientists are studying motivates people to participate (e.g. even in the absense of financial compensation). It is a mistake to underestimate the power of this social engineering.  I believe that it is the public nature of the participation that will help such a peer-review system to succeed on MathOverflow.  The arxiv and the article-review system generally suffer from a lack of well-designed social engineering motivating participation." CreationDate="2017-01-06T15:53:15.413" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="13810" PostId="3091" Score="9" Text="I know several people who actively try to avoid MathOverflow. Some highly reputed mathematicians, whose reasoning is &quot;I'll probably won't be able to stop, and I won't work on my own research as much as I'd want to&quot;; and young people &quot;I am too afraid to embarrass myself by saying stupid things&quot;. MO works largely because of social engineering, yes, but also because there is a large part of the mathematical community which &quot;fits the profile&quot;. Here we intentionally ignore the other part, which is probably even larger. [...]" CreationDate="2017-01-06T16:08:34.237" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13812" PostId="3091" Score="0" Text="[...] I am currently preparing a talk for the arctic set theory conference in a few weeks. I am very very reluctant to say a lot of things *because* it's a public lecture, and *because* there are slides. I chose a topic which is still work in progress, work which I haven't discussed with many people outside my closer circle of mathematicians, because I don't want to spread &quot;mistakes&quot; and not everything is verified. Making mistakes in public (both as a reviewer and a writer) does not make it easier to make the mistakes, and some people find those to be even more off-putting." CreationDate="2017-01-06T16:10:35.580" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20844" PostId="3091" Score="0" Text="I plan to start an area 51 site: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4320/40644 Any support is welcome!" CreationDate="2019-08-13T20:41:58.563" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="15257" PostId="3092" Score="0" Text="Sadly neither publishing.mathforge.org nor Selected Papers Network seem to be getting any &quot;life&quot; lately, and there seem to be no other options. MO would seem to remain the only choice then. Would my answer  https://mathoverflow.net/a/284322/66983 address the possible objections or there are still further arguments left  unaddressed?" CreationDate="2017-11-15T21:59:40.220" UserId="66983" />
  <row Id="15258" PostId="3092" Score="0" Text="I suspect author controlled commentary would be too biased.  Community controlled commentary is also biased, but presumably biased in favor of improving a paper, or determining the flaws in an unfixable paper.  @Dmitri, I think your answer raises more issues than it addresses satisfactorily.  Gerhard &quot;And That Is My Bias&quot; Paseman, 2017.11.15." CreationDate="2017-11-16T02:35:47.703" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15261" PostId="3092" Score="1" Text="I suppose biased in favour of improving paper should be a great thing. As any bias encouraging positives and suppressing negatives. Sounds like a strong argument to do it! About the issues with my answer, I would be curious to learn what they are. We need some constructive discussion to move forward." CreationDate="2017-11-16T11:19:07.443" UserId="66983" />
  <row Id="13826" PostId="3094" Score="1" Text="Specifically, if somebody knows whether that project is abandoned or still being developed, it would be useful information. If it only indexes posts from MO which are at least 5 years old, it will probably not be too useful. (When I click on news on the uniquation website, I am directed to twitter account where the last tweet is from 2011.)" CreationDate="2017-01-08T19:09:55.930" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17391" PostId="3094" Score="1" Text="It seems that this project has been abandoned. (Or possibly moved to another website?) When I try the link http://uniquation.com/en/ (which worked when I posted this answer), I get a page saying: &quot;This Domain Name is Possibly For Sale.&quot;" CreationDate="2018-10-18T08:12:39.473" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13828" PostId="3095" Score="0" Text="Feature request or discussion?" CreationDate="2017-01-08T23:27:36.037" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13829" PostId="3095" Score="4" Text="I think it's just meant so as to reach experts who happen not to tune in to MO but tune into other networks. Not to encourage people to use them per se. (Sheesh, I'd be the last to encourage people to use Twitter.)" CreationDate="2017-01-08T23:50:00.403" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13830" PostId="3095" Score="0" Text="@stefan Both, I have added the other tag." CreationDate="2017-01-09T00:28:47.223" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="13831" PostId="3095" Score="2" Text="[This answer](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/948#1519) suggests using social media to promote good contents. This discussion is also marginally related: [Does Mathoverflow really want the 'Publicist' badge?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1253)" CreationDate="2017-01-09T04:46:48.533" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13832" PostId="3095" Score="5" Text="Perhaps it is worth pointing out that several regular MO users quite often post links to MO posts on twitter. For example, [Andrés E. Caicedo](https://twitter.com/andrescaicedo/status/790314528584019968) or [Joel David Hamkins](https://twitter.com/JDHamkins/status/818166179323904001)." CreationDate="2017-01-09T04:50:59.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13833" PostId="3095" Score="3" Text="In case some other users checked the main site and they are wondering why they do not see the message you described, this only appears on open questions with no answers: [Under what conditions is a user invited to “share a link to this question”?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/258957)" CreationDate="2017-01-09T04:58:40.943" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13836" PostId="3095" Score="6" Text="Maybe some 25k+ user who has [access to site analytics](http://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics) could have a look how much traffic is actually generated from reddit, facebook, twitter, google+ and similar sources. (I suppose in the context of this question it might be interesting to know these data.)" CreationDate="2017-01-09T11:00:41.703" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13837" PostId="3095" Score="5" Text="A more experienced user told me in chat about this post: [What is this “Can you help?” message above the answer box?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/289217) It seems that a new version of the message you mention is being tested and it has the form: &quot;Can you help? MathOveflow depends on everyone sharing their knowledge. If you're able to answer this question, please do!&quot; So if mentioning twitter is for some reason considered problematic, this change would more-or-less resolve it. Interestingly, I now see the new version on MO (except for my own questions, as explained in the link)." CreationDate="2017-01-09T15:14:13.437" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13841" PostId="3095" Score="9" Text="@Martin. Interesting. I think the change is a clear progress. I have nothing against Facebook or Twitter (though &quot;where is my flying car?&quot;) personally, but if they get a quasi-monopole on the diffusion of news and even of interpersonal communications on the internet (replacing ordinary email), this gives a few people an extraordinary power of censorship." CreationDate="2017-01-10T01:52:21.023" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="13846" PostId="3095" Score="4" Text="I see the new version on Firefox and the old one on Chrome. Someone is [A/B testing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/B_testing) on us, I guess." CreationDate="2017-01-10T17:59:35.067" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="13913" PostId="3095" Score="3" Text="I removed some comments that touched upon the US presidential election, which is off-topic." CreationDate="2017-01-22T21:55:01.530" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16216" PostId="3095" Score="0" Text="Probably it might be useful to say what exactly is the suggested feature request. (Simply removing the text? Replacing it by some other formulation?)  And, more importantly, whether it is change proposed specifically for MathOverflow or for the whole Stack Exchange Network. (If it is intended for the whole network, then after collecting some feedback here it would be reasonable to ask this [on the network-wide meta](https://meta.stackexchange.com).)" CreationDate="2018-04-15T08:45:56.730" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16328" PostId="3095" Score="4" Text="@MartinSleziak Removing the text, specifically on MathOverflow." CreationDate="2018-05-12T03:14:04.677" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="17116" PostId="3095" Score="0" Text="I have asked whether it is possible to change the text per site or only network-wide, but so far no answer: [What happened to “depends on everyone sharing their knowledge” message? Can this be changed on per-site basis?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/313962)" CreationDate="2018-09-08T04:56:48.870" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29047" PostId="3095" Score="0" Text="Recently on [meta.se]: [Remove Share to Twitter and Facebook-link](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/392700)." CreationDate="2023-08-31T14:26:40.970" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16478" PostId="3096" Score="0" Text="Ad 4., it is caused by the redundant $\{ \}$ brackets in &quot;numerator&quot;, without that it seems to work fine. Although I think the search engine should be able to deal with it by itself." CreationDate="2018-06-20T07:08:52.807" UserDisplayName="user124222" />
  <row Id="23996" PostId="3096" Score="0" Text="When I try \operatorname{Gal} rather than just Gal and \mathbb Q rather then just Q (and also replace the fraction by /), then I get better results for 4: [link](https://approach0.xyz/search/?q=%24%5Coperatorname%7BGal%7D%5Cleft(%5Coverline%7B%5Cmathbb%20Q%7D%2F%7B%5Cmathbb%20Q%7D%5Cright)%24&amp;p=1). Although it is clear that this application has evolved a lot over the years, which might also influence what I get." CreationDate="2020-09-10T05:32:23.790" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13852" PostId="3103" Score="0" Text="Write enough $\rm\LaTeX$, and you can compile the formulas in your head on the fly." CreationDate="2017-01-12T10:25:00.617" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="13853" PostId="3103" Score="2" Text="This is marked as [meta-tag:status-completed] on meta.SE: [MathJax doesn't render in the iOS app](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/288315). (The post said it should be fixed in 1.6.3.) You can probably find a few related questions if you look at questions tagged both (mathjax) and (ios-app) on [meta.SE](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/mathjax+ios-app) or on [meta.math.SE](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/mathjax+ios-app)." CreationDate="2017-01-12T11:28:27.200" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13859" PostId="3104" Score="2" Text="There is no policy that I am aware of. But with Google Translate, it's usually not really hard to get the transliteration into Roman characters. (One of our active participants signs in using his native Georgian alphabet, which I don't know, but I learned through Google that his name using the English alphabet is spelled &quot;Mamuka Jibladze&quot;.)" CreationDate="2017-01-14T12:02:22.117" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13860" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="Thank you Prof. Trimble. I just thought that even with Google Translate, translating Chinese or Japanese names which can have a lot of readings would be quite difficult. And for a user's name it is absolutely fine, as there is no ambiguity for references." CreationDate="2017-01-14T12:07:46.180" UserId="56191" />
  <row Id="13861" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="It would be good to know if others have had difficulties here." CreationDate="2017-01-14T12:50:13.133" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13862" PostId="3104" Score="5" Text="it breaks the search functionality, and just for that reason is preferrably avoided (until search becomes smarter)" CreationDate="2017-01-14T14:07:37.050" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="13863" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="Very good point." CreationDate="2017-01-14T14:08:47.527" UserId="56191" />
  <row Id="13866" PostId="3104" Score="2" Text="@CarloBeenakker You raise a good point I hadn't considered. To all: I think there's a good chance that the author of the linked question was just trying to be respectful to the native spelling of a mathematician, and not trying to be show-offy or snobbish. I'd be happy to go in and change the title though. The only question that remains is: should it be Kondrachov, or Kondrashov? I've seen both. The name might be Ukrainian in derivation, in case that makes a difference." CreationDate="2017-01-15T03:47:46.530" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13867" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="I recommend using the spelling that corresponds to whatever MathSciNet or Zentralblatt reference has.  Once one gets the right paper, one can re-romanize it as needed.  Gerhard &quot;It's The Thought That Counts&quot; Paseman, 2017.01.14" CreationDate="2017-01-15T06:14:26.983" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13868" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble ---  it seems all [official transliterations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian#Transliteration_table) would give &quot;sh&quot; instead of &quot;ch&quot; for the cyrillic Ш. The &quot;ch&quot; is for Ч." CreationDate="2017-01-15T08:25:22.827" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="13870" PostId="3104" Score="1" Text="What is important, IMO, is to respect the standard romanization of names from cyrillic and other alphabets, and to respect the correct spelling of latin alphabet names as well. It is both for a matter of respect to the person (Lebesgue non Lebesque, Hölder non Holder, Lipschitz non Lipshits, etc), *and* for the sake of a correct and useful information." CreationDate="2017-01-15T09:21:55.950" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="13871" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="I think it is also important to see which romanization is standard or not. For example, the Wikipedia and most textbooks I know use Kondrachov, but with the example of &quot;Chebyshev&quot;, in French the most standard is &quot;Tchebychev&quot;, other use &quot;Chebyshov&quot;, etc. Furthermore, sometimes the authors do not use the standard romanization for their names, or an error in the romanization is so old that one would not risk going against it (Yosida - which would translates correctly as &quot;Yoshida&quot; in the standard Hepburn system - is a good example)." CreationDate="2017-01-15T09:54:26.777" UserId="56191" />
  <row Id="13872" PostId="3104" Score="1" Text="The spelling of the Russian name in the question is inappropriate anyway. The accute accent over o is a stress mark that is *not* used in regular Russian text, only in dictionary or encyclopedia lemmata, language textbooks, and similar contexts. It's as if someone spelled an English name with syllabification dashes, as many dictionaries do." CreationDate="2017-01-15T10:24:45.823" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13873" PostId="3104" Score="2" Text="I made an edit and (maybe temporarily) put in 'Kondrashov'. Paul-Benjamin may be right though that the spelling that appears standard in the literature is the one we should use. (This reminds me a lot of the Neumark/Naimark discussion that we had once, an instance of which is here: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/25878/relevance-of-the-complex-structure-of-a-function-algebra-for-capturing-the-topolo/25895#25895. Dmitri Pavlov's point largely hinged on which spelling was used by the author himself in non-Russian journals.)" CreationDate="2017-01-15T11:59:42.430" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13874" PostId="3104" Score="1" Text="@Paul-Benjamin I would not call Yosida an error in romanisation. In the Gojūon, the &quot;table of fifty sounds&quot;, し, or &quot;shi&quot;, is placed in the I-column on the S-row. There are multiple ways to romanise Japanese, each with their benefits and downsides. One that turns 吉田 into Yosida is not ideal for English speakers that lack an understanding of the Japanese language. It's rather systematic, however. The advantage of such a system is: Both おう and おお are pronounced as a long &quot;o&quot; in Japanese. But if you transcribe them as ō, you lose information that would help a Japanese person understand a sentence." CreationDate="2017-01-15T12:13:11.177" UserId="11512" />
  <row Id="13875" PostId="3104" Score="3" Text="@EmilJeřábek Thank you for pointing that out. I took the original spelling from a dictionary indeed since I don't speak Russian myself. The transcription I'm most familiar with for the author's name is Kondrachov, which I did not want to use because it suggests an incorrect pronunciation (indeed, most of my collegues pronounce his name incorrectly). Maybe there's a good reason to use that spelling anyway. Kondrashov is rather non-standard, I think, and I did not want to start a debate (that certainly backfired) and so I left his name un-transcribed." CreationDate="2017-01-15T12:17:57.463" UserId="11512" />
  <row Id="13876" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="@anonymous I still think that Yosida is at least confusing, as in most Latin languages (and German also), the [ʃi] would be pronounced as something close to [zi], while [shi] would be closer to the correct pronunciation" CreationDate="2017-01-15T14:28:36.067" UserId="56191" />
  <row Id="13877" PostId="3104" Score="1" Text="@Paul-Benjamin Oh, I agree completely. I've come across many that end up mispronouncing his name as a result of the &quot;Yosida&quot; transcription. But as I tried to motivate in my comment above, aiding pronunciation is not the sole purpose of transcription, although for languages whose writing system is closer to English these separate features are not as distinguished." CreationDate="2017-01-15T14:35:04.130" UserId="11512" />
  <row Id="13879" PostId="3104" Score="1" Text="It's worth noting that not everybody has a MathSciNet subscription to check on standard conversions to the Latin alphabet for authors (which may differ from what is 'correct' outside of mathematics)" CreationDate="2017-01-16T05:51:14.567" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="13880" PostId="3104" Score="3" Text="From Donald Knuth (http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/news.html): &quot;Later, when I typeset the index to the second edition of Volume 2, using an early prototype of TeX in 1980, I had the ability to include Chinese and Japanese names in their native form. And by the time the third editions came out in the 1990s, I was also able use Greek, Hebrew, and Cyrillic alphabets, and to present Arabic and Indian names in appropriate native scripts. At last I did not have to rely entirely on transliteration when listing the name of the father of algorithms, Abu Ja‘far Mohammed ibn Mūsā al-Khowārizmī..." CreationDate="2017-01-16T13:08:12.180" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="13881" PostId="3104" Score="2" Text="&quot;...I even hand-crafted an ancient Sumerian name by using METAFONT to draw the necessary characters of a cuneiform alphabet. &#xA;&#xA;Over the years, many people have told me how they've greatly appreciated this feature of my books. It has turned out to be a beautiful way to relish the fact that computer science is the result of thousands of individual contributions from people with a huge variety of cultural backgrounds.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-01-16T13:08:32.710" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="13885" PostId="3104" Score="5" Text="I find it bizarre that the OP calls the transliteration of the name (more precisely, one transliteration of the name) 'the real name'." CreationDate="2017-01-17T05:59:02.313" UserId="1463" />
  <row Id="13886" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="Of course it is easier to misinterpret a text than trying to understand what is beyond the literal meaning of words. I did not write a mathematical theorem, and 'real name' could be easily understood of 'a name transliteration which would indicate without ambiguity the real identity of the person in question'." CreationDate="2017-01-17T07:25:46.760" UserId="56191" />
  <row Id="13898" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="@HJRW How about &quot;generally more familiar name&quot;? I'm not sure what the exact phrase should be -- any suggestions? Anyway, if we take English to be the scientific *lingua franca*, then something like this is surely what Paul-Benjamin intended (right, Paul-Benjamin?)." CreationDate="2017-01-19T02:30:54.190" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13864" PostId="3105" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much Prof. Paseman. By policy, I did not mean any interdiction, and the first statement raises a point I can only agree with, as English is my third language." CreationDate="2017-01-14T15:59:15.723" UserId="56191" />
  <row Id="13865" PostId="3105" Score="0" Text="I should work on more constructive ways to deal with things that bother me.  Thank you for tolerating my response.  And you are welcome to call me Gerhard.  Gerhard &quot;Still Enjoying His Amateur Status&quot; Paseman, 2017.01.14." CreationDate="2017-01-14T16:05:23.480" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13915" PostId="3105" Score="2" Text="I also think that writing an authors name in the original alphabet (additionally to her/his English latinized form) disambiguates the sometimes existing plethora of unofficial regional translations (in Germany one has Tschebyscheff and Tschebyschow, while English speakers know him as Chebyshev). So a name additionally written in its original alphabet is also some kind of respect for that person (IMHO)." CreationDate="2017-01-24T13:08:42.110" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="13878" PostId="3108" Score="4" Text="Only now I noticed that before I posted the answer, the OP [already explained in a comment](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3104/using-other-alphabets-writing-sytems-for-author-names#comment13875_3104) what was their rationale for using Cyrillic. This makes some parts of my answer a bit redundant, but probably there is no harm if I leave it here." CreationDate="2017-01-15T14:56:53.537" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13940" PostId="3108" Score="1" Text="For the record, the &quot;ch&quot; for ш is French convention.  As explained in the linked Wikipedia article, this was the norm e.g. for passports until 1997, and would hence tend to be &quot;the official&quot; transliteration for anyone who is old enough to have had their passport issued then." CreationDate="2017-01-30T09:51:34.553" UserId="100291" />
  <row Id="13889" PostId="3109" Score="5" Text="Did you read the explanation of what this particular site is for, as opposed to math.stackexchange.com ?" CreationDate="2017-01-18T03:00:19.267" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="13897" PostId="3109" Score="7" Text="If you see MO in terms of &quot;brainstorming sessions&quot;, then I think you have badly misunderstood its fundamental purpose. In general, the StackExchange sites (including Math.SE) are designed for crisp interchange between questions (relevant for the target audience) and expert to-the-point answers, and not designed to promote freewheeling discussion. (I remember your question; unfortunately it was off-topic for our forum. Sorry if you felt discouraged, but you should keep in mind that MO is really a professional forum and thus narrow in scope; we have to turn down questions like this.)" CreationDate="2017-01-19T02:22:29.360" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13890" PostId="3110" Score="1" Text="I remember in the earlier version of the SE software such politenesses were automatically deleted by the SE software. They were not wanted." CreationDate="2017-01-18T21:15:25.270" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="13891" PostId="3110" Score="2" Text="See http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2208/editing-etiquette/2209#2209" CreationDate="2017-01-18T21:35:29.810" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13892" PostId="3110" Score="1" Text="@AndrásBátkai, automated editing has its own problems; I remember (though I can't find) a post about the difficulties of referring to the work of a mathematician named 'Hi'." CreationDate="2017-01-18T22:35:23.623" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13893" PostId="3110" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson, thanks, but it seems that the post says &quot;delete fluff&quot;, while the comments, including from the post author, say &quot;fluff is OK&quot;.  Does this just mean that it is up to the potential editor's discretion?" CreationDate="2017-01-18T22:36:44.260" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13894" PostId="3110" Score="1" Text="Sorry, I didn't mean that you'd find an unambiguous, authoritative answer at that link, only that you might be interested in a previous discussion which touched on your question (and maybe this earlier discussion was the source of your impression about MO policy)." CreationDate="2017-01-19T01:17:48.253" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="13895" PostId="3110" Score="2" Text="@LSpice You probably mean this post (made by Gerry Myerson): [Disappearing “Hi!”](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2543#2552)." CreationDate="2017-01-19T01:45:27.097" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13896" PostId="3110" Score="2" Text="Gerry has referred to a meta post of mine from a little less than 2 years ago, and rereading it now, I am in overall agreement with what I wrote then. Regarding fluff -- although I didn't quite say this then, I think my own benchmark in editing such &quot;fluff&quot; is where it detracts from the general professional standards that we wish to maintain. The MO post of A. Leverkühn seems *very* professional overall, and the sign-off here doesn't detract in my opinion. So I agree that the edit would indeed be trivial in this instance and probably not worth implementing." CreationDate="2017-01-19T02:01:09.357" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13901" PostId="3110" Score="2" Text="I think a main point here is that a signature below a post discourages *any* editing of that post, as an edit would change what the signing person *literally* has said." CreationDate="2017-01-19T10:01:14.403" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13903" PostId="3110" Score="1" Text="Discourage perhaps, but not prevent.  In many cases I include my initials along with a substantial edit that I make.  Gerhard &quot;Blame Where Blame Is Due&quot; Paseman, 2017.01.19." CreationDate="2017-01-19T16:23:24.133" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="13904" PostId="3110" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, yep, that's the one; thanks!" CreationDate="2017-01-19T17:27:56.110" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13905" PostId="3110" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble, thanks for the update and clarification!  I certainly agree that there is no problem with A. Leverkuhn's contribution.  (I can't help wondering if it is relevant that the (also very useful and professional) [response](http://mathoverflow.net/a/259826/2383) by Ines Institoris not only is signed, but includes a clearly errant `\end{document}` ….)  Would you be willing to post your comment or some variant as an answer, so that I can accept it?" CreationDate="2017-01-19T17:29:58.933" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13906" PostId="3110" Score="0" Text="L Spice, at some point I can do this, yes." CreationDate="2017-01-19T17:50:01.683" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14030" PostId="3110" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman, I would enjoy MO more if you stopped signing your posts and comments." CreationDate="2017-02-23T09:50:01.380" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="14031" PostId="3110" Score="2" Text="The stated policy is:  Do not use signatures, taglines, or greetings. http://mathoverflow.net/help/behavior." CreationDate="2017-02-23T09:51:00.190" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="14035" PostId="3110" Score="0" Text="@MattF., my question wasn't what the policy is (indeed, I speculated that it was as you say), but rather whether it was worth an edit just to fix a 'violation'." CreationDate="2017-02-25T14:41:29.263" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="13916" PostId="3116" Score="4" Text="I'd say if you think that the question would be on-topic and likely well-received on MathStackExchange, then rather don't downvote, but vote to migrate -- commenting is optional, but usually good if nobody else has commented yet. Downvotes are rather for questions which you think are bad, unclear, not useful, written down in a sloppy way or lack necessary background information." CreationDate="2017-01-24T22:53:44.740" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13917" PostId="3116" Score="3" Text="I will point out that if a question is bad enough (i.e., likely to by close on math.SE; example would be a typical copy-paste of the text of the exercise), then it does no make much sense to choose migration, since the after question is closed on the target site, the [migration is rejected](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/migration-rejection/info). This has been previously discussed here on meta, for example,&#xA;[Migration versus on-hold](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/318) and &#xA;[Migrating to Math.SE: too many close reasons](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2319#2321)." CreationDate="2017-01-24T23:27:10.307" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13918" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="When posting a comment suggesting to post question on math.SE instead of here, one can use some of existing templates: [Comment template for questions more appropriate for MSE](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971),  (And, of course, it is possible to add new ones in the same thread.)" CreationDate="2017-01-24T23:28:21.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13959" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="I would think that the suitability of a question for MathStackExchange (or for Facebook or for the Huffington Post) is quite irrelevant.  All that matters is its suitability for MathOverflow." CreationDate="2017-01-30T22:59:09.163" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="14033" PostId="3116" Score="1" Text="@Steven, since one of the options given when voting to close is something to the effect of, &quot;this question should go to MathStackexchange&quot;, I'd say the suitability of the question for MathStackexchange is quite relevant when considering what action to take on it here." CreationDate="2017-02-23T21:50:18.763" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14034" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson:  I've argued in the past that we should not offer this as a reason to close, precisely because we are (for the most part) not qualified to say what belongs on a website we don't frequent.  I agree with you that *if* this is a valid reason to close, then suitability for MSE is relevant.  But I deny the premise." CreationDate="2017-02-23T23:10:18.190" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="14038" PostId="3116" Score="4" Text="I believe there is too much concern with closing questions, and this is harmful to our community.  So please relax about it. It is neither necessary nor beneficial for you or anyone to become very active about closing questions. I have seen too many interesting questions closed by people who did not understand or appreciate them. The closers erroneously pick up on some subtle cues or flaw, thinking it is no good, but too often they are wrong and end up closing an interesting question. So please relax, and close only questions that you really understand and know for certain are inappropriate." CreationDate="2017-02-27T01:41:32.383" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29519" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="Joel writes &quot;I have seen too many interesting questions closed by people who did not understand or appreciate them.&quot; I'd push back against that. It makes it sound like anyone who disagrees with Joel either doesn't understand or has poor taste. I think two reasonable people can have a difference of opinion about the scope of the site, in which case, voting is an appropriate way to reach consensus. It might be nice, however, if the threshold for voting was higher, so that a horde of rather new and low rep users couldn't overwhelm long-term, higher rep users." CreationDate="2024-01-25T20:57:07.483" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29520" PostId="3117" Score="0" Text="I disagree that the community is too quick to vote to close. I think it's the exception rather than the norm to be on the site for 10+ years and you never voted to close anything. I think two reasonable people can have a difference of opinion about the scope of the site, in which case, voting is an appropriate way to reach consensus. It might be nice, however, if the threshold for voting was higher, so that a horde of rather new and low rep users couldn't overwhelm long-term, higher rep users." CreationDate="2024-01-25T20:58:55.463" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="13922" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="Unless recently something has changed, images are not uploaded to MO, but only linked to. -- To which site did you try to upload the image?" CreationDate="2017-01-28T17:09:08.303" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="13923" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl  I tried to upload the image from my computer." CreationDate="2017-01-28T17:26:45.190" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="13925" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl I tried to upload to Mathoverflow by clicking on the picture icon above the edit box and then copy pasted the file into the appearing upload box. I didn't specify anything else." CreationDate="2017-01-28T17:34:31.690" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="13926" PostId="3121" Score="2" Text="@ManfredWeis Images &quot;uploaded to MathOverflow&quot; are actually uploaded to Stack Exchange's Imgur account. It is possible (I'm not sure how probable) that Imgur is giving you the error. Can you provide a screenshot of the error, or it's full text?" CreationDate="2017-01-28T18:02:35.173" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13927" PostId="3121" Score="1" Text="@arjafi I can do that, where should I send the screenshot?" CreationDate="2017-01-28T18:51:21.500" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="13928" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="When I tried the same again to reproduce the error, it worked now. So thank you Stefan and Arjafi for your effort to get the issue resolved." CreationDate="2017-01-28T18:56:07.883" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="13929" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="@ManfredWeis I just realised the difficulty you might have uploading a screenshot of the error.... I'm glad this has been resolved for you. Hopefully it was just a random glitch that won't reoccur." CreationDate="2017-01-28T19:09:15.340" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="13930" PostId="3121" Score="3" Text="It seems that some other users in SE network [experienced similar error](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22i%27m+a+teapot%22+image+site:stackexchange.com). Here is a thread from a related meta: [This error is a teapot?](http://meta.retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/q/114) And perhaps related on main meta: [Stack Overflow returning HTTP error code 418 (I'm a teapot)?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/185426). I am not sure whether there is some useful information, but at least there is a screenshot." CreationDate="2017-01-29T06:45:14.597" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13931" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="I think that the tag ([meta-tag:images]) might be suitable for this question. (I do not have enough reputation to edit on meta, which is why I am making this suggestion in a comment instead.)" CreationDate="2017-01-29T06:46:05.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13938" PostId="3124" Score="1" Text="spam or as abusive of the site's ToS" CreationDate="2017-01-30T09:44:28.627" UserDisplayName="user88558" />
  <row Id="13939" PostId="3124" Score="3" Text="I find &quot;promotes a product or service&quot; fitting. Product being the Article they're linking to." CreationDate="2017-01-30T09:45:45.040" UserId="89684" />
  <row Id="13941" PostId="3124" Score="2" Text="A bit of backstory: about 6 months ago MO had [a bit of a spam wave](https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&amp;title=&amp;body=Thierno+M.+Sow) also by this Thierno M. Sow person. Over at [Charcoal](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11540/charcoal-hq) we detected this spam (due to its shortened links), and it was initially marked as false positive due. After discovering that this person's promotion of their articles was rather widespread, we marked the posts as true positive and started flagging them as spam." CreationDate="2017-01-30T10:01:17.340" UserId="94486" />
  <row Id="13942" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="I also [added the name 'Thierno M. Sow'](https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/bad_keywords.txt#L139) to our blacklists to help detect future spam by them, that is how SmokeDetector came across this post just now" CreationDate="2017-01-30T10:02:57.070" UserId="94486" />
  <row Id="13946" PostId="3124" Score="12" Text="@Magisch and angussidney: This is the first I've heard of 'Smoke Detector' and 'Charcoal'. I'll definitely have to chat with you guys in the near future. I don't see diamonds next to your names, so I guess you're not SE Community Managers, and yet it sounds like you have knowledge of certain powers that would definitely be useful to us here." CreationDate="2017-01-30T15:37:42.647" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13947" PostId="3124" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble you're always welcome for a chat. We do have some moderators (on other sites) in our ranks. Usually, we know pretty well what we're doing, but in edge cases like this, we often consult with the local community." CreationDate="2017-01-30T15:39:17.917" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="13948" PostId="3124" Score="8" Text="Glorfindel, I can tell you that T.M. Sow has been a persistent blight on our community, and blacklisting anything to do with him would receive universal backing here. Destroying the accounts he's created has had little apparent effect." CreationDate="2017-01-30T15:42:47.900" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13949" PostId="3124" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble I'm one of the admins of the system. None of us are community managers (though there are a number of mods, including myself, as Glorfindel said), so we don't have the power to stop the guy posting here *at all*. What we can do is blacklist certain terms or usernames, which lets us find it quicker when he does post here, and then flag it as spam." CreationDate="2017-01-30T15:50:43.107" UserId="82518" />
  <row Id="13950" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Good to hear - if you have any other spam on this site that follows a certain pattern, we're always happy to discuss if SmokeDetector can play a part in detecting said spam." CreationDate="2017-01-30T15:52:42.310" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="13952" PostId="3124" Score="4" Text="@ArtOfCode Ah, so that probably means that in this case the SD chatbot won't make much of a difference -- Thierno Sow's posts are instantly recognized and virtually instantly deleted by the MO Community already (usually within minutes I think, although I'd need a stopwatch), with or without a headless chatbot. Now if on the other hand SD could just outright *block* posts, then it would be a whole different story." CreationDate="2017-01-30T18:20:46.633" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13953" PostId="3124" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel In case a question does not mention T. M. Sow in particular, this spam can also be noticed by linking to pages on the site one-zero.eu (which as far as I can tell would never be linked to by any reasonable person)." CreationDate="2017-01-30T20:54:30.640" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="13954" PostId="3124" Score="1" Text="@TobiasKildetoft we do have means to blacklist certain websites, though we usually do that only after we detect repeated links to them. I do see that the website is mentioned in a certain user's [profile](http://mathoverflow.net/users/62386/thierno-m-sow)." CreationDate="2017-01-30T20:59:45.740" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="13955" PostId="3124" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel At least in all of his posts that I have seen, there will be a link to a paper of his hosted on that site (which seems to be his consulting company)" CreationDate="2017-01-30T21:00:48.757" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="13956" PostId="3124" Score="1" Text="@TobiasKildetoft thanks for refreshing my memory. [This](https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/52030) is then probably the remains of a post of one of his 'sock puppets' - the URL is a shortened link, but ends up at one-zero.eu. I'll go ahead and blacklist it." CreationDate="2017-01-30T21:04:29.860" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="13957" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="Additional information: posts with link shorteners are automatically marked as suspicious and will receive extra scrutiny." CreationDate="2017-01-30T21:07:20.117" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="13958" PostId="3124" Score="1" Text="Also, certain character strings which appear in his posts would never be used, ever, by a sane mathematician. I'll supply some examples in a while." CreationDate="2017-01-30T22:04:39.287" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14018" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="See also http://mathoverflow.net/questions/262669/how-to-fix-the-riemann-zeta-function" CreationDate="2017-02-20T10:25:29.083" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="14019" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="Thanks @AndrásBátkai - the link was in the comments this time, and SmokeDetector doesn't pay attention to comments." CreationDate="2017-02-20T10:28:18.877" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="14043" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/review/low-quality-posts/77404" CreationDate="2017-03-04T10:35:33.270" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="14071" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="[Another instance](http://mathoverflow.net/q/264501/70594)." CreationDate="2017-03-13T10:21:55.110" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="14077" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/264621/about-the-riemann-zeta-function" CreationDate="2017-03-14T18:10:25.000" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="13943" PostId="3125" Score="0" Text="Marc, I clicked and selected an image..." CreationDate="2017-01-30T12:33:37.217" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="13944" PostId="3125" Score="0" Text="@ManfredWeis from your local file system? or from the internet?" CreationDate="2017-01-30T12:39:37.617" UserId="36769" />
  <row Id="13945" PostId="3125" Score="0" Text="@ManfredWeis see additional update; I'm going to count this &quot;fixed&quot;, I think" CreationDate="2017-01-30T13:18:02.773" UserId="36769" />
  <row Id="13951" PostId="3126" Score="12" Text="I upvoted this post, and it should be upvoted more, because it points out that 'spam' in the technical SE-approved sense is actually appropriate for this troublesome case. That is to say: many MO users flag certain posts as 'spam' to cover cases which don't involve vendors, just people who annoy by referring to crackpot theories and the like. It's been explained by our former resident meta expert quid (no longer active at MO) that those flags are incorrectly labeled because bots won't interpret them correctly. Thus it's good of you to report that in fact this really is technical spam." CreationDate="2017-01-30T18:04:11.200" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13961" PostId="3126" Score="2" Text="+1. By the way, I have looked at the post referenced by the OP, and the problem is not only that his proof of the Riemann Hypothesis is ridiculous, but also that he can't even manage to state the Riemann Hypothesis right." CreationDate="2017-01-31T05:21:51.227" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="13963" PostId="3126" Score="0" Text="@Joël I'm sure I couldn't state the riemann hypothesis right, either, but then again I'm not a mathemathician or trying to spam this site :p" CreationDate="2017-02-01T12:19:50.677" UserId="89684" />
  <row Id="13964" PostId="3126" Score="1" Text="@Magisch and you're not claiming to have proved it either." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:31:34.270" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="13965" PostId="3126" Score="3" Text="@Joël Indeed, some of his errors reside in failing to grasp, at the most basic level, how to use variables correctly. Most American kids learn this stuff in the 6th grade or so. But trying to explain any of this to him would be a pointless waste of time." CreationDate="2017-02-02T02:42:41.813" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="13967" PostId="3127" Score="0" Text="I don't know what sort of internship you mean." CreationDate="2017-02-04T05:22:41.090" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="13968" PostId="3127" Score="0" Text="@DouglasZare academic internship in Math." CreationDate="2017-02-04T05:39:32.800" UserId="44836" />
  <row Id="13969" PostId="3127" Score="14" Text="I've never heard of an academic internship in Math." CreationDate="2017-02-04T06:22:44.507" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="13976" PostId="3127" Score="0" Text="@DouglasZare look http://www.cmi.ac.in/admissions/internships.php and https://math.mit.edu/academics/undergrad/opportunities/index.php . These are just 2 tiny examples, there are abundant such opportunities(sadly mostly in US &amp; EU). NB- I'm not talking about other restrictions over internships at US schools which mostly also comes with region/college restrictions but I've just added the link FYI." CreationDate="2017-02-04T13:06:02.153" UserId="44836" />
  <row Id="13977" PostId="3127" Score="3" Text="It looks like &quot;internships&quot; in the MIT link directs one to nonmathematical internships in industry http://www.ams.org/programs/students/emp-internships (ones described by the companies as being in different areas like business or engineering) for which a math major might qualify. The first link looks like a program resembling an REU." CreationDate="2017-02-04T13:39:32.177" UserId="2954" />
  <row Id="13978" PostId="3127" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure about the scenario in US but most, if not all, of the top universities/colleges in India offers an internship in mathematics like the one by CMI given in the link above(eg- http://www.tifr.res.in/~vsrp/). There are also separate programs which are being jointly run by multiple institutes like MTTS + there is also an option to contact professor (from a good university of course) individually for an internship." CreationDate="2017-02-04T13:50:26.243" UserId="44836" />
  <row Id="13980" PostId="3127" Score="4" Text="I regularly get &quot;applications for internships&quot; (in fact mostly from India), but in fact, there is not such thing at German math institutes (as far as I know). The link to CMI at least explains to me (for the first time) why that happens." CreationDate="2017-02-05T02:24:42.470" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="13970" PostId="3131" Score="0" Text="See http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/541 ." CreationDate="2017-02-04T09:29:14.030" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13972" PostId="3131" Score="0" Text="@Emil So it does not work? Sorry I cannot quite conclude this from the question and answer that you linked. There, limitations of pinging from comments are discussed, but I could not find anything about pinging from anywhere except comments." CreationDate="2017-02-04T09:35:30.457" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13973" PostId="3131" Score="2" Text="It doesn't work from questions or answers, only from comments. I thought this was also stated there somewhere." CreationDate="2017-02-04T10:02:18.080" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="13979" PostId="3131" Score="0" Text="@Emil Still could not find it. The page you linked to also contains [a link](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/43019/how-do-comment-replies-work) to a SE meta question, where pinging from comments are discussed in much detail, but also there I could not find any mention of impossibility to do it from questions and answers. In any case I think it would be convenient to be able to do it, and there are examples when it is (almost) necessary." CreationDate="2017-02-04T16:39:44.697" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13981" PostId="3131" Score="1" Text="The closest I was able to find to a post explicitly stating that @pings from posts do not work was this: [Can I ping any user I want to take a look at my question?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/226265) But even if there is no official documentation, I guess several users can confirm from their experience with SE that such notifications do not appear." CreationDate="2017-02-05T09:24:11.217" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="13982" PostId="3131" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks, this is what I needed - also in the sense that now I understand why there is no such feature: to avoid too much vanity pinging. I believe this makes an adequate answer, so if you feel like posting it please go ahead. Otherwise I can do it myself." CreationDate="2017-02-05T09:30:17.277" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="13983" PostId="3131" Score="2" Text="Possible duplicate of [How do I use the comment notification system?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/541/how-do-i-use-the-comment-notification-system)" CreationDate="2017-02-06T17:11:16.247" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14003" PostId="3131" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I have added one more paragraph to my answer - I'd say that my answer addressed your question as ([meta-tag:support]) rather than ([meta-tag:feature-request]). But judging from your previous comment, you have probably abandoned the idea of requesting this new feature - in which case the new paragraph is probably not that relevant." CreationDate="2017-02-10T06:13:28.057" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26922" PostId="3131" Score="0" Text="This question is also tangentially related: [How to contact a MathOverflow user?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3634)" CreationDate="2022-01-31T05:00:12.157" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14004" PostId="3132" Score="0" Text="You are absolutely right, I just forgot to remove the tag" CreationDate="2017-02-10T06:18:44.067" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14001" PostId="3136" Score="0" Text="You think the question should be reopened, but doesn't deserve an upvote? -- I think it seems a bit weird to vote to reopen a question with no upvote, but 4 downvotes ... ." CreationDate="2017-02-09T14:16:20.187" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14002" PostId="3136" Score="2" Text="@Stefan, I'm sure the downvotes came before the editing." CreationDate="2017-02-09T21:46:56.123" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14078" PostId="3136" Score="0" Text="Have voted to reopen" CreationDate="2017-03-15T16:04:01.290" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="14079" PostId="3136" Score="0" Text="@Yemon, the question was deleted some weeks ago. I imagine it has to be undeleted before it can be reopened." CreationDate="2017-03-15T22:40:01.133" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14080" PostId="3136" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson: now undeleted" CreationDate="2017-03-16T02:19:40.427" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="14091" PostId="3136" Score="4" Text="@GerryMyerson Meanwhile the question has been autodeleted again since it is still closed and has non-positive score. To resurrect the question, it would take 3 undelete votes, 3 more reopen votes and either 5 upvotes (to reach score 1) or an answer, in order to permanently prevent it from being autodeleted again." CreationDate="2017-03-18T20:42:41.643" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14006" PostId="3138" Score="0" Text="I think firstly such a collective thread would not be automatically known or easily be found by people who wish to make an appropriate enquiry, and secondly, starting a new thread in each case provides better visibility. I'd rather suggest to introduce a corresponding tag, if needed -- tags can also be added afterwards by people who know about them.  -- The same remarks apply also to existing collective threads like e.g. &quot;Requests for reopen votes&quot; etc.." CreationDate="2017-02-11T10:20:46.907" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14007" PostId="3138" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the reply. Re: *not ... easily be found by people who wish to...*. Still, it would at least be a place where I could direct people who ask about this in chat, usually without receiving any feedback - like the two recent examples of such inquiries in chat which are linked in my post. (See also my edit to the question after your comment.)" CreationDate="2017-02-12T09:04:42.163" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18287" PostId="3139" Score="0" Text="According to a [recent announcement on Mathematics Meta](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/46148/2019/2/1), SearchOnMath now indexes MathOverflow and Mathematics Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2019-02-01T05:10:26.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14008" PostId="3140" Score="1" Text="It was closed for the reasons stated, mainly insufficient clarity.  I have studied logic and some model theory, and I know what wording I would use for a question like this. However that would reflect my experience and understanding, not yours, so it would not be the same question. There is the chance of reopening the question after you revised it.  I suggest not using anabelian geometry as an example until you can make its relevance clear.  You might also respond to the comments already made: do they answer your intent?  Gerhard &quot;This Needs More Community Understanding&quot; Paseman, 2017.02.12." CreationDate="2017-02-12T21:17:48.243" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14009" PostId="3140" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman Excuse me, what do you think it is bad in the redaction exactly? What is not clear about what Z is and what Z is not?" CreationDate="2017-02-12T21:26:08.480" UserId="104777" />
  <row Id="14010" PostId="3140" Score="2" Text="For starters, your sentences run on, making them hard to parse. At this writing, I give up on sentence 2 paragraph 1, sentence 1 paragraph 2.  I am unsure that paragraph 3 is relevant to your intent; an explanation for those ignorant of anabelian geometry might help.  Finally, the basic answer you seek is simple but impossible to justify using equational logic: The sum of two like powers of high potency are also not powers of the same potency. But this is just a restatement.  I think just looking at structures is not enough.  Gerhard &quot;FLT Is Not An Equation&quot; Paseman, 2017.02.12." CreationDate="2017-02-12T21:35:43.967" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14037" PostId="3141" Score="1" Text="That is good advice from Polya." CreationDate="2017-02-26T19:21:34.580" UserId="58777" />
  <row Id="14011" PostId="3142" Score="2" Text="It's certainly true that the text of the standard comment doesn't fit well -- but choosing &quot;looks ok&quot; in the low quality posts review queue seems also not right if the answer should rather be a comment." CreationDate="2017-02-18T19:53:37.840" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14012" PostId="3142" Score="1" Text="I think it is common for moderators to convert such non-answers to comments, once they have been alerted to the situation, and I have always taken it for granted that that is part of their job." CreationDate="2017-02-18T22:58:56.060" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14013" PostId="3142" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl That's true, but I'm wondering whether it's better not to choose any of the standard options in the low quality review queue in situations like this, but instead to go to the post and flag it for the moderators to deal with." CreationDate="2017-02-18T23:40:55.153" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="14014" PostId="3142" Score="0" Text="@Jeremy: You can do both. Especially as a 10k-er, you can flag previously-deleted posts and get the moderators to convert them to a comment." CreationDate="2017-02-19T02:30:20.050" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14017" PostId="3142" Score="3" Text="If you flag an answer as 'not an answer', no comment is generated. The standard comments come from the 'low quality posts' review queue -- there (if the post is an answer) the possible choices are 'Looks OK', 'Delete -- no comment needed' and 'Delete' with a few different standard comments to choose from. If 6 people choose one of the 'Delete' options before 2 (or sometimes 1) have chosen 'Looks OK', then the answer gets deleted." CreationDate="2017-02-19T22:38:31.340" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14020" PostId="3142" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks. It seems I was a bit confused about what happens. So if, in my hypothetical example of a low-rep user who is clearly aware that his answer should be a comment, I wanted to avoid the standard. comment then I could (a) choose &quot;not an answer&quot; from the low-quality queue and try to edit/delete the comment that's generated (is that even possible?), (b) choose &quot;delete - no comment needed&quot; from the low-quality queue, in which case I should presumably add my own comment to explain to the moderators why I've chosen delete, (c) go to the post, flag it and add a comment if ..." CreationDate="2017-02-20T16:51:59.303" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="14021" PostId="3142" Score="0" Text="... that seems appropriate. Are there any good reasons to choose any of these options over the others?" CreationDate="2017-02-20T16:52:54.613" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="14022" PostId="3142" Score="1" Text="If you would like to avoid the standard comment, you could go to the post, flag it as 'not an answer', then possibly add a comment yourself, and finally choose 'delete - no comment needed' in the review queue." CreationDate="2017-02-20T17:02:05.990" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14015" PostId="3143" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Todd. I probably (my fault entirely) didn't pin down exactly what was concerning me, and have edited my question." CreationDate="2017-02-19T18:01:22.187" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="14016" PostId="3143" Score="0" Text="Jeremy, thanks for the clarifying edit. I'm on vacation right now, so there may be some delay getting back to you on all this; perhaps someone else can add more though." CreationDate="2017-02-19T21:33:07.180" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14372" PostId="3144" Score="0" Text="nice idea but SE meta is not really a good format for this. suggest starting a (community) blog somewhere or twitter acct etc. also try [chat]" CreationDate="2017-05-11T23:13:44.073" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="14555" PostId="3144" Score="10" Text="As of now, four of five answers report someone's death -- is this almost the only type of &quot;News of potential interest to the MO community&quot;? I do not doubt that these reports are of interest, in particular the one of today -- but would it perhaps make sense to adjust the question accordingly, as for several months hardly any other news turned up here?" CreationDate="2017-07-15T23:19:46.870" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14557" PostId="3144" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl:  By all means add news that is more positive, if appropriate.  I left the question deliberately open ended." CreationDate="2017-07-16T04:42:24.140" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="14560" PostId="3144" Score="0" Text="One can add, eg, the Fields medal winners (+Nevanlinna etc) next year when they are announced." CreationDate="2017-07-17T05:58:20.433" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14567" PostId="3144" Score="2" Text="I think reporting any important enough result or new development in mathematics would be fine as well, and at least equally interesting as news about who has died or who has got this-or-that award." CreationDate="2017-07-17T19:46:50.020" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15934" PostId="3144" Score="13" Text="It seems that this is mainly an &quot;Obituaries column&quot;, rather than general news. I sure hope there will be some good news posted here sometime soon..." CreationDate="2018-02-07T12:57:08.253" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16354" PostId="3144" Score="0" Text="@Asaf some good news, at last! Also, JDH will be somewhat closer geographically for you, FWIW" CreationDate="2018-05-20T22:24:19.993" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="16355" PostId="3144" Score="4" Text="@David: Having known about this for a few months now, this is not a surprise for me. I also complained that this is not exactly &quot;MO News&quot;. I didn't see anyone congratulate me for winning the Newton International Fellowship (nor I expected that to happen, nor I wish it to have happened). I didn't see anyone congratulate any other user on their fancy grants or new positions. Yes, this is a happy news, as opposed to the whole dead people thing. But it's not something that I find as relevant news to the site. As much as I am happy that Joel will be closer now, which I am, let me assure you that." CreationDate="2018-05-20T23:17:03.217" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16362" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@Asaf of course you would know :-) but it makes a change from &quot;so-and-so died :-(...&quot;" CreationDate="2018-05-22T01:13:33.280" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17198" PostId="3144" Score="0" Text="@Emilio: Yes,  I agree that there is a troubling feeling over the most of this page." CreationDate="2018-09-24T16:10:33.813" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17199" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila:  When I posted this question, I also flagged it myself so that the moderators can assess its suitability and asked them to delete it if they thought fit.  By and large, this question and the answers have been uncontroversial -- the answers have been appropriate and respectful, and I see very few downvotes.   I'm sure you or others may find something troubling about this -- I don't see it myself.  In any case, surely there is room for differing viewpoints on this." CreationDate="2018-09-24T16:14:56.130" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="17200" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@Asaf Ah. I had deleted my comment after seeing the comments to the first answer. But on second thought I do stand by it: there is something about having voting arrows next to a series of obituaries that makes me deeply uncomfortable. Votes on a single answer are OK, but when there's several and the default sorting is by votes, it's much more complicated. I see the value in a noticeboard with those announcements, but this format has some awful features." CreationDate="2018-09-24T16:16:25.743" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="17206" PostId="3144" Score="2" Text="@Lucia: I don't think it should be closed or deleted or anything. And I agree that it has some relevance here. Nevertheless, it still feels a bit odd, in part for the reasons that Emilio mentions." CreationDate="2018-09-24T17:35:29.660" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="21884" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@Lucia (and is there a way to ping the mods?) is there a way to set the default answer sorting for this thread to newest first?" CreationDate="2020-04-12T09:41:21.583" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="22411" PostId="3144" Score="0" Text="Should this thread be CW perhaps?" CreationDate="2020-07-07T21:21:27.147" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="22413" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila what does CW mean on meta?" CreationDate="2020-07-08T01:27:46.643" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="22415" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: More users can edit answers with relevant information." CreationDate="2020-07-08T07:24:05.397" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="23604" PostId="3144" Score="6" Text="@StefanKohl:  I removed your edit, since I don't see its relevance to the question.  I get the sense that you don't like the question or the answers, and that is certainly your prerogative.  But it doesn't seem correct to me that the question should be edited with a comment aimed at discouraging answers." CreationDate="2020-08-05T15:31:51.917" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23606" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@Lucia: I didn't mean to discourage answers in any way -- just the contrary. Actually I find the question as such good (I upvoted it already a long time ago). My edit was merely to give a quick overview of what answers are currently there, and to encourage more non-obituary answers. If the edit read like I wanted to discourage answers, then I am sorry, and in this case it was indeed good to revert it." CreationDate="2020-08-05T21:09:03.383" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="23607" PostId="3144" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl:  Thanks for your response!  I'd prefer the question as it is.  Of course as it is CommunityWiki, everyone has an equal right to edit it, and I  don't insist upon my view." CreationDate="2020-08-05T21:20:49.450" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24181" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="Robin Chapman https://mathoverflow.net/users/4213/robin-chapman was a valued contributor to MathOverflow in its early years. He passed away, unexpectedly, on 18 October 2020. An obituary can be found at the website of the Math Department at the University of Exeter. http://emps.exeter.ac.uk/mathematics/news-events/news/articles/robinchapmanobituary.html" CreationDate="2020-11-17T03:23:34.677" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24312" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@gerrymyerson:  Thank you for sharing this." CreationDate="2020-12-23T15:04:31.667" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="24314" PostId="3144" Score="0" Text="@Steven if you are so inclined, you could post this item as an answer here. I can only post comments on meta, not answers." CreationDate="2020-12-23T22:03:42.977" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24316" PostId="3144" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson:  Done, though this leaves me intensely curious about why you can't post answers on meta." CreationDate="2020-12-24T00:35:19.453" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="26229" PostId="3144" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately, Professor Peter Antonelli passed away in 2020." CreationDate="2021-08-02T08:08:07.897" UserId="90655" />
  <row Id="28518" PostId="3144" Score="3" Text="Maybe there should be a separate thread for people dying. Or, at this point, one for people not dying." CreationDate="2023-04-25T12:28:51.267" UserId="396854" />
  <row Id="30773" PostId="3144" Score="2" Text="There seems to be a serial downvoter of obituary answers. It sounds puerile." CreationDate="2024-03-19T12:27:30.150" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="14023" PostId="3145" Score="7" Text="Can one upvote news like this -- or is there a risk that the meaning of an upvote here is misunderstood?" CreationDate="2017-02-20T21:04:52.273" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14024" PostId="3145" Score="24" Text="I think one should understand upvotes to news of this type simply as a mark of respect.  At least that's how I would take it." CreationDate="2017-02-20T21:16:43.670" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="14025" PostId="3145" Score="10" Text="Perhaps if meta had a link called &quot;thanks&quot; instead of just &quot;upvote&quot; Stefan's question wouldn't arise. Though like Lucia, my upvote here is simply also as a mark of respect; additionally, I also view my upvote here as a note of thanks to Lucia for bringing this news to the attention of the MO community." CreationDate="2017-02-22T03:51:18.500" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="14036" PostId="3145" Score="2" Text="My upvote here is a show of respect to IG." CreationDate="2017-02-26T19:18:02.697" UserId="58777" />
  <row Id="14026" PostId="3146" Score="0" Text="As far as I can tell, there is no way to see how many people viewed a particular post -- rather only a viewcount is shown. When the same person reloads the page after a certain time (15 minutes?), then this is counted again." CreationDate="2017-02-22T16:55:10.797" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14027" PostId="3146" Score="0" Text="OK, is there a way to view the viewcount then? (not from the main questions-page)." CreationDate="2017-02-22T17:09:26.807" UserId="46290" />
  <row Id="14029" PostId="3146" Score="0" Text="@j.c. Yes, thanks. I missed this somehow... BTW If I understood Stefan's comment correctly this number does include several views by the same person/user/IP address, right?" CreationDate="2017-02-23T08:35:09.880" UserId="46290" />
  <row Id="14032" PostId="3146" Score="0" Text="I made my comment into an answer." CreationDate="2017-02-23T14:08:36.710" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="14040" PostId="3148" Score="2" Text="The certificate is expired since february 20. Which shouldn't happen in this case as it's from Let's Encrypt, which is meant to be set up with an automated way of certificate renewal. This automation seems to be broken for some reason." CreationDate="2017-03-02T18:30:22.830" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="14041" PostId="3148" Score="0" Text="And we finished the zbMath helper a while ago anyway." CreationDate="2017-03-02T20:04:12.173" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14042" PostId="3148" Score="3" Text="Sorry --- I'll fix the certificate automation later today. Not sure what happened. I'll also contact Stack Exchange again about plugging in the new zbMath backend..." CreationDate="2017-03-02T22:20:44.817" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="14047" PostId="3148" Score="0" Text="@Scott: Any news on the former task? It seems that the citation helper still fails to fetch results." CreationDate="2017-03-05T18:30:13.457" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14048" PostId="3148" Score="2" Text="Let's Encrypt seems to have become broken on Amazon Linux, which is where we run the citation backend. I'm stuck for now, and am about to start escalating moving to our zbMath backend." CreationDate="2017-03-05T22:23:28.830" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="14074" PostId="3148" Score="0" Text="We've finally switched over to the zbMath backend, so this issue is now irrelevant." CreationDate="2017-03-13T20:58:15.810" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="14049" PostId="3154" Score="3" Text="This is probably rather naive approach, but you can probably find a few occurrences if you google for [mathoverflow notices site:ams.org](https://www.google.com/search?q=mathoverflow+notices+site:ams.org)." CreationDate="2017-03-07T01:16:22.063" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14050" PostId="3154" Score="1" Text="That's pretty much what I did." CreationDate="2017-03-07T05:56:24.420" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14051" PostId="3154" Score="2" Text="And, of course, trying Google Scholar is also a rather natural thing to do in this context: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&amp;q=mathoverflow+notices+site:ams.org or https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=mathoverflow&amp;as_publication=Notices+of+the+AMS" CreationDate="2017-03-07T12:08:18.667" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14052" PostId="3156" Score="0" Text="Somewhat off topic _here_, but is there any chance of [math.se getting this, too](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/22008)?" CreationDate="2017-03-10T04:27:13.273" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="14053" PostId="3156" Score="0" Text="Let me point out that there have been repeated requests that the feature will be implemented on [math.se] as well." CreationDate="2017-03-10T17:43:54.540" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14072" PostId="3156" Score="0" Text="Is it just me, or is the citation helper *still* not working? I see exactly the behaviour described in the original post: a never ending cycle of three periods." CreationDate="2017-03-13T13:08:59.747" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14073" PostId="3156" Score="0" Text="Though the root cause may be unrelated: the web console shows repeated (slowly) GET requests to zbmath interwoven with “TypeError: result.links[j].includes is not a function @ https://cdn.sstatic.net/js/third-party/citation-helper.js?v=ff4f467a0a2b:86”." CreationDate="2017-03-13T13:15:17.237" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14069" PostId="3157" Score="3" Text="I don't see where you got that figure from, even given your image." CreationDate="2017-03-13T04:01:49.807" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14088" PostId="3157" Score="2" Text="I think a more important question here is what the net value of the funding actually is -- i.e. after deducting reasonable wages for the time people spend on writing applications for these funds (both successful and unsuccessful ones) -- and how that changes over the years." CreationDate="2017-03-18T10:26:20.053" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14089" PostId="3157" Score="3" Text="@DavidRoberts: $(235+122+97)-(232+129+96) = -3$. LIkely more accurate than using the rounded numbers in each small category." CreationDate="2017-03-18T11:44:27.237" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14090" PostId="3157" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: I take your point, but the estimates you suggest using would be very difficult to calculate---time spent on writing; unsuccessful grants." CreationDate="2017-03-18T12:05:34.223" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="16359" PostId="3157" Score="1" Text="Is there any kind of new figures for more recent times? (I hesitate to say &quot;this year&quot;)" CreationDate="2018-05-21T04:23:54.843" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="16366" PostId="3157" Score="1" Text="It seems the situation is quite unclear. Here is one article addressing the US 2018 budget: [AMS link](https://blogs.ams.org/capitalcurrents/2018/03/23/we-probably-have-a-budget-for-2018-whats-in-it-for-the-mathematical-sciences/)." CreationDate="2018-05-25T01:05:22.123" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14055" PostId="3158" Score="11" Text="This would be a method that all the spammers would like to find." CreationDate="2017-03-11T19:25:21.510" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="14056" PostId="3158" Score="5" Text="@GeraldEdgar: If everybody can do this, then yes. -- But I doubt this would be the case if it were a privilege earned at some decent number of points (3k?, 5k?, 10k?)." CreationDate="2017-03-11T22:54:49.383" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14057" PostId="3158" Score="1" Text="@Stefan: If you have uncountably many points, then yes. Namely, you need to have database editing access." CreationDate="2017-03-12T06:21:42.210" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14058" PostId="3158" Score="1" Text="Joseph, what ballpark figure are we talking about? If it's really a lot of posts, maybe you can make a specific request for this to be automated if possible?" CreationDate="2017-03-12T06:22:17.097" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14059" PostId="3158" Score="2" Text="BTW the possibility of minor edits without bumping has been discussed previously. For example, [Minor edits, subject to review](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/192) or [“Silent” Edits for MO?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/784). (I would expect most of these past discussions to be tagged ([meta-tag:bumping]) and/or ([meta-tag:minor-edits]), but it seems that it is not the case.)" CreationDate="2017-03-12T08:09:11.997" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14060" PostId="3158" Score="3" Text="I will specifically point out  this post, which is basically question whether there is some consensus when bumping too many questions is considered *excessive*: [Do we have an unofficial quota on how many old questions one should bump for minor edits in a single day?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/599)" CreationDate="2017-03-12T08:10:48.333" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14061" PostId="3158" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila If searching for [jpg url:cs.smith.edu](http://mathoverflow.net/search?q=jpg+url%3Acs.smith.edu) can be considered as a rough estimate, this search returns about 100 posts.&#xA;Of course, there might be many other domains with broken links (be it images or regular links) - one example is mentioned [here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2017/3/12)." CreationDate="2017-03-12T08:29:40.393" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14062" PostId="3158" Score="1" Text="It seems that the Community user sometimes performs minor edits without bumping the post -- see e.g. [here](http://mathoverflow.net/questions/237374/lattice-n-gons-with-ordered-side-lengths-1-2-3-n/237741#237741) -- the Community user edited the answer 2 days ago, but the last activity of the thread was 9 months ago. -- Or do I misinterpret what happened there?" CreationDate="2017-03-12T10:22:00.593" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14063" PostId="3158" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl That appears to be part of [SE's move towards https](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/292058), and would have been initiated by someone with database access (likely running some sort of script to go through all posts and alter `http://` links to `https://`)." CreationDate="2017-03-12T10:39:39.103" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="14064" PostId="3158" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: Yes, Martin is correct---about 100 images. Will work on them incrementally." CreationDate="2017-03-12T12:07:27.770" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14065" PostId="3158" Score="4" Text="If it's about questions you have asked yourself, I am pretty sure that nobody will yell at you for bumping them... your questions are often so creative and invite to think out-of-the-box !" CreationDate="2017-03-12T17:25:53.600" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="14066" PostId="3158" Score="3" Text="May I add that many of them deserve review?  Of course prioritize your work as you see fit Joseph, but if there are groups with a common theme, including some unanswered questions, I would be pleased to see each group once again on the front page occasionally.  Gerhard &quot;Votes For An O'Rourke Channel&quot; Paseman, 2017.03.12." CreationDate="2017-03-12T19:24:33.603" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14067" PostId="3158" Score="1" Text="Thanks, everyone!" CreationDate="2017-03-12T21:54:51.587" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14068" PostId="3158" Score="0" Text="Does anyone know the date when StackExchange introduced using **...imgur...** for posted images?" CreationDate="2017-03-13T00:59:31.077" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14070" PostId="3158" Score="4" Text="@JosephO'Rourke As far as I can say, August 2010: https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/08/18/new-image-upload-support/ and https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4376/please-allow-image-uploads-directly-onto-the-site/60782#60782 (But I guess for MO this is relevant only since the site joined SE network.)" CreationDate="2017-03-13T04:30:21.973" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14195" PostId="3158" Score="2" Text="I have noticed that several of your posts have ([tag:geometry]) tag, which is deprecated [according to the tag-info](http://mathoverflow.net/tags/geometry/info). So if the posts are going to be bumped anyway, it might be a good opportunity to remove the tag at the same time." CreationDate="2017-04-03T17:21:51.140" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14926" PostId="3158" Score="2" Text="First of all, I look forward to see Joe's posting being bumped to the front page and updating the beautiful pictures is a great opportunity for that. Second, I noticed that having English mistakes and other forms of sloppiness  has the effect of having my posting bumped (when I or other edit to correct these mistakes.) In a sense, this is averaged away with the clear disadvantages of sloppiness and mistakes. (And the sense of unjust bumping also give me an intensive to be less sloppy.) It is a little similar to being short which is overall a disadvantage but good on flights." CreationDate="2017-09-24T14:36:41.527" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="14081" PostId="3161" Score="0" Text="It's in danger of getting auto-deleted again, if it doesn't get some upvotes – isn't that right?" CreationDate="2017-03-16T03:47:27.413" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14082" PostId="3161" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson I think one upvote is sufficient, but I'm not sure" CreationDate="2017-03-16T13:21:06.423" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="14092" PostId="3163" Score="0" Text="OK I see. So the remaining cases can be only repaired manually?" CreationDate="2017-03-19T05:41:27.890" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14096" PostId="3163" Score="3" Text="As explained in the question linked by jeq, the devs promised to fix it automatically, but as this didn’t happen in the 3 1/2 years since migration, it is a safe bet it never will. So, manual repair seems to be the option to go with." CreationDate="2017-03-20T08:40:55.423" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14097" PostId="3163" Score="0" Text="@Emil: Sometimes a bit of prodding is needed. But I wouldn't say never." CreationDate="2017-03-20T08:48:53.983" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14098" PostId="3163" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I (and others) did try that, you know." CreationDate="2017-03-20T10:12:37.843" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14111" PostId="3164" Score="6" Text="Why post this at meta and not at MO? Meta is for discussing how the MO site works, its policies, etc." CreationDate="2017-03-23T10:42:49.377" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14100" PostId="3165" Score="1" Text="Yes, this is just what I was looking for. Thanks a lot for your support!" CreationDate="2017-03-20T23:06:55.897" UserId="1593" />
  <row Id="17135" PostId="3165" Score="1" Text="It would be good if you write down what it is...." CreationDate="2018-09-21T10:04:25.213" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17139" PostId="3165" Score="0" Text="Hello, thanks for edit.. When I first clicked on that link which says page 361, it did not show any thing.. That is why I asked... Now it is showing correctly... May be I went to next page and did not realize so I saw some blank page in with some note written in Chinese.." CreationDate="2018-09-22T06:44:05.790" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17152" PostId="3165" Score="0" Text="@PraphullaKoushik Sorry, I had linked to the Japanese (not Chinese) Google Books site." CreationDate="2018-09-23T01:58:05.583" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="17194" PostId="3165" Score="0" Text="The selection of pages that are and are not shown in google books seems unpredictable. Today I was not able to see the quote, but I was able to see the author. Tomorrow, or for someone else, this may be different so I will record the author's name here: Carl Pomerance." CreationDate="2018-09-24T14:25:00.877" UserId="41139" />
  <row Id="14099" PostId="3166" Score="9" Text="What is good about a question that asks whether a theory that has not been widely understood/accepted has applications to problems that are not specified.  And this is the most polite way in which I can describe that and other Mochizuki questions!" CreationDate="2017-03-20T14:43:14.440" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="14101" PostId="3167" Score="3" Text="I don’t think markdown has support for image captions. The “image description” in square brackets is the alt text of the image. You can also have tooltips, as explained in the editing help." CreationDate="2017-03-22T17:51:04.627" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14120" PostId="3167" Score="0" Text="@Emil Jeřábek: thank you for your feedback." CreationDate="2017-03-23T23:50:49.680" UserId="85967" />
  <row Id="14102" PostId="3168" Score="7" Text="While I understand the frustration, this might be better as an email to the moderators.  When they think it is appropriate, they may compose a meta post for you.  I do think you should talk about it, but check with the moderators first.  Gerhard &quot;Sorry This Happened To You&quot; Paseman, 2017.03.22." CreationDate="2017-03-22T23:41:08.163" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14103" PostId="3168" Score="8" Text="Thanks, I just want anyone to see it. And thanks for your comment on the question I posted. That and the other helpful comment that followed is all I really needed and it could have just ended there and it would have been just fine." CreationDate="2017-03-23T00:04:46.760" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="14104" PostId="3168" Score="32" Text="I think this site is the right place for such enquiries -- but it might help if you provide a link to your removed question, such that people can see what you worry about. In general, editing a question or changing tags is in no way negative feedback. Negative feedback are downvotes, close votes, delete votes, low quality flags and negative comments -- which of these did you get, and how often? -- In any case, I think you should not worry in any way about posting on MO -- I see you have asked 20 well-received questions and given 2 well-received answers so far." CreationDate="2017-03-23T00:38:40.540" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14105" PostId="3168" Score="7" Text="Thanks, I do take it very personally. I think tags are subjective and should be the questioner's choice. I put real-analysis and set-theory for the question about transcendentals because to me the uncountability of the transcendentals is what began set theory. And the larger question in my mind is about set theory. But someone removed that so I had to defend it in my question. Then someone removed the real analysis tag and just put number theory. Then it starts getting downvoted probably because it is in the wrong place. I think my tags were appropriate. I don't want to come here to fight :)" CreationDate="2017-03-23T00:47:48.107" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="14106" PostId="3168" Score="0" Text="Plus, I did ask a deeper question. I'll try math stack exchange for this one." CreationDate="2017-03-23T00:52:14.707" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="14107" PostId="3168" Score="14" Text="For reference, here is the deleted question: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/265294/transcendental-numbers-and-liouvilles-theorem-on-diophantine-approximation .  It got one downvote, but I don't see anyone being sarcastic in the comments.   GHfromMO is very helpful in answering many questions in number theory, at all levels.  I am sure that he only meant to be helpful in editing tags, and I would concur that number theory is the suitable tag.   I would also be unsure if that question was suitable for this site --- the Wikipedia article would have been sufficient for it." CreationDate="2017-03-23T02:00:05.763" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="14108" PostId="3168" Score="6" Text="By the way, in regards to your deleted question, if $x$ is obtained by changing finitely many digits of $e$, then you don't need anything at all to prove that $x$ is trancendental.  Namely, the difference $e-x$ is rational; if $x$ were an algebraic number, then $e = x+(e-x)$ would also be algebraic, a contradiction.  This is implicit in with Gerhard Paseman said, but I thought it might be useful to make it explicit." CreationDate="2017-03-23T02:17:52.417" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="14109" PostId="3168" Score="33" Text="I also think that one cultural thing that made your question poorly received was the large picture of handwritten text.  Using TeX is culturally expected here." CreationDate="2017-03-23T02:19:46.403" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="14131" PostId="3168" Score="3" Text="Thanks everyone, I really appreciate it. Both answers were great." CreationDate="2017-03-24T22:58:41.217" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="14135" PostId="3168" Score="24" Text="Tags are a bookkeeping device of the site, which are used to help organize similar material, in part so people looking for answers to things (the entire point of the site) can more easily find them.  They're not there for the asker, but everyone else.  So while the suitability of some tags can be debatable for some questions, by and large questions should try to use them in accordance with a site standard.  Though if you have specific concerns about the function, relevance, and use of certain tags, you can bring that up.  It's in the site's best interest to have useful, populated tags." CreationDate="2017-03-25T07:49:59.743" UserId="41862" />
  <row Id="14142" PostId="3168" Score="3" Text="I, too, appreciate this site - and all the Exchanges - quite a bit. For certain, StackExchange helped with not only my dissertation (which is my first attempt at literature-level writing) but also in passing my Complex and Real Analysis qualifier. That being said, I am of late intimidated asking questions, especially on MO, as I know that many rules - some of which I am still unaware - could mean my post is doomed to deletion and negative reactions for reasons I sometimes overlook. The result has been a bit of a trepidation to use MO - even MO Meta. But rules are rules, and I must follow." CreationDate="2017-03-26T00:44:13.917" UserId="85776" />
  <row Id="14158" PostId="3168" Score="16" Text="I also have the feeling this is a cultural question. Unlike other sites (say, Quora), MO is not obviously dominated by American users and this exposes MOers to social behaviors they may be not used to. In my professional life I've often experienced that social interactions in *European* academia are much less based on appreciation and praise than in the USA. This may explain why behaviors that are perceived as &quot;normal criticism&quot; by European users are frustrating the OP." CreationDate="2017-03-28T05:58:15.057" UserId="26039" />
  <row Id="14197" PostId="3168" Score="3" Text="Just happened to me again; a troll or ninja downvoted two of my answers to questions that haven't been active for about a week. I am not against downvoting my answers or posts, but not leaving any comment isn't nice." CreationDate="2017-04-04T08:51:59.700" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="14119" PostId="3171" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your prompt response. But -please excuse in advance my ignorance on programming concepts- wouldn't it be quite easy and useful to include such a feature (captions in figures) in the posts of the stackexchange communities?" CreationDate="2017-03-23T23:45:39.643" UserId="85967" />
  <row Id="14117" PostId="3172" Score="5" Text="I urge caution.  I do not have the same faith in the strength of the community as you do.  If this is not handled carefully, we might end up fracturing the community.  It may be better to solicit community opinion in a preferably less divisive fashion.  I hope we have input from the moderation team on this.  Gerhard &quot;Already Gave Up On Sci.math&quot; Paseman, 2017.03.23." CreationDate="2017-03-23T18:49:11.030" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14125" PostId="3172" Score="1" Text="Thanks so much. Please see the comment after the next answer - it is for this answerer as well." CreationDate="2017-03-24T20:01:47.710" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="14124" PostId="3173" Score="25" Text="Hey everyone, I really appreciate all the comments and answers. I did sort of figure out what I did wrong early in the comments and decided to re-ask my question. It was actually very helpful for me to have this meta site to express my feelings. It helped a lot to feel supported. If you saw all my deleted questions you might see what I am referring to. I think I'm getting a thicker skin about it anyway, and learning that you all are open to communication. And that maybe everyone experiences the same scrutiny." CreationDate="2017-03-24T19:57:58.183" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="14126" PostId="3173" Score="7" Text="I'm glad you posted at meta too, Erin. And, it's true that one can find a lot of negativity at MO. Most of it I think has to do with underdeveloped netiquette skills. Tricky business." CreationDate="2017-03-24T20:14:52.453" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14127" PostId="3173" Score="0" Text="For reference, I guess this is the [tea discussion](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/985/woman-in-mathoverflow/#Item_0) you mentioned." CreationDate="2017-03-24T21:58:36.277" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="14128" PostId="3173" Score="0" Text="@CarloBeenakker Ah, great; thanks! I'll edit my post to reflect the information I found there." CreationDate="2017-03-24T22:05:34.437" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14129" PostId="3173" Score="10" Text="@Erin Carmody : I personally answer questions under my own name, but mostly ask them under fake ones.  I have thick skin, but I prefer not to have to deal with the occasional snarky comments I get when I ask questions about topics that are outside my comfort zone." CreationDate="2017-03-24T22:22:27.033" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="14130" PostId="3173" Score="4" Text="Thanks, I'm not upset anymore. It is very helpful to talk about. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with people not really knowing each other, so not knowing their level of understanding or misinterpreting words, without any other cues, over the internet." CreationDate="2017-03-24T22:40:26.353" UserDisplayName="user10290" />
  <row Id="14139" PostId="3173" Score="9" Text="re: &quot;How can I make sure my questions are positively received?&quot; I'll take this opportunity to complain again that I think the awesome advice in this old post http://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/883 deserves to be placed in a much more prominent place.  Compare the relatively generic info here http://mathoverflow.net/help/how-to-ask ." CreationDate="2017-03-25T21:35:17.653" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="14140" PostId="3173" Score="0" Text="@j.c. Thanks for the reminder. If my memory is correct, that's what used to be under Help before the merger with SE." CreationDate="2017-03-25T22:39:52.133" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14143" PostId="3173" Score="6" Text="Thank you Todd for a very thoughtfully composed answer, for acknowledging that gender bias probably plays an undesired role on this site, and for emphasizing that you believe the OP's description of her experience. Related note: one choice I have made is to use gender-neutral pronouns, almost all the time really, but certainly when I'm not referring to a specific person whose gender is known. I observe that in your answer, you twice use male pronouns to refer to hypothetical people. I'm not saying you must automatically make the same choices I do, but I wanted to at least suggest it to you." CreationDate="2017-03-26T20:10:14.630" UserId="5091" />
  <row Id="14144" PostId="3173" Score="4" Text="@GregMartin Thanks. I was quite aware of my pronoun choices, and indeed they were deliberately made that way to mirror the actual circumstances of the MO post that was referred to in the discussion. (Please note the I also used 'she' in the second paragraph, again as part of the choice-design. The 'he' in the same paragraph is strictly speaking not part of that design, but refers to a 'noob' where I didn't think it would be seen as biased against women.) Hope that makes sense!" CreationDate="2017-03-26T20:21:42.473" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14132" PostId="3174" Score="0" Text="nice trick! thank you very much!" CreationDate="2017-03-25T03:07:51.213" UserId="85967" />
  <row Id="14161" PostId="3174" Score="1" Text="I have utilized your code at http://mathoverflow.net/a/264727/85967. thanks once again!" CreationDate="2017-03-28T23:09:45.530" UserId="85967" />
  <row Id="14145" PostId="3178" Score="5" Text="Why wouldn't they be allowed to?" CreationDate="2017-03-27T09:06:41.660" UserId="97585" />
  <row Id="14147" PostId="3178" Score="11" Text="@Kyll. Spam prevention. Note that when the account was created, a badge with the company name appeared on the front page of mathoverflow. That's how I noticed it." CreationDate="2017-03-27T09:45:06.617" UserId="6129" />
  <row Id="14148" PostId="3180" Score="4" Text="Note that MathOverflow, as a research-level academic site might well take a different stance and decide to handle such issues different than what SE generally does. Many people might see it higly inappropriate for companies that do not intend to contribute research-level mathematics to create an account on MO for self-promotion. I personally would agree with them and therefore downvoted this answer." CreationDate="2017-03-27T09:49:42.033" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="14149" PostId="3180" Score="5" Text="Indeed, on PhysicsOverflow we face indeed exactly that issue with &quot;User-Profile-Spammers&quot; who register an account with the sole purpose of promoting links to their service or company that has nothing to do with the topic of the site. So I would give the MO community the advice to use this meta thread or create another one to list such suspicious user profiles for inspection by the MO moderators, as there is no way to flag user profiles." CreationDate="2017-03-27T09:58:05.397" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="14150" PostId="3180" Score="5" Text="The tricky part is &quot;do not intend&quot;.  Until they act, we do not know what they intend.  I use one of my profiles on MathOverflow to advertise a proofreading service.  If I play by the rules, I should be able as a company to offer anything that I think is of interest to the clientele. Here , 'playing by the rules' means behaving as a good member of the community.  Of course, others who do not play by the rules should be treated accordingly, regardless of their motivation.  Gerhard &quot;Sometimes Does Proofreading For Himslef:)&quot; Paseman, 2017.03.27." CreationDate="2017-03-27T16:21:21.440" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14151" PostId="3180" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman ok yes, your proofreading service is certainly highly valuable. I was rather having in mind blatantly inappropriate links in user profiles, such as London escort services etc ..." CreationDate="2017-03-27T16:50:32.343" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="14152" PostId="3180" Score="4" Text="Not that I would normally promote escort services, but if it were a sideline, I could imagine offering it on this forum and several others.  For each forum, I would still need to play by the forum rules.  Gerhard &quot;For Me There's Always Math&quot; Paseman, 2017.03.27." CreationDate="2017-03-27T17:00:51.623" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14155" PostId="3182" Score="1" Text="Do you know which question specifically? Among the MO questions that left a &quot;trackback / blog link&quot; to the arxiv page, only these two were asked before the survey was posted: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/32292 http://mathoverflow.net/questions/63321 and the first seems a likely candidate. I couldn't find it in the paper itself since MO is not explicitly cited there. (However, the authors thank Anton Geraschenko for bringing them together -- is that a veiled reference to MO?)" CreationDate="2017-03-27T18:36:42.683" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="14156" PostId="3182" Score="1" Text="It might be one of those questions, or this question, which was asked by Stefan Friedl and answered by Henry Wilton: http://mathoverflow.net/q/15121/1345 In any case, I'm not exactly sure, but I think one of them told me that the collaboration started via mathoverflow (and I think that's the reference in the paper to Anto Geraschenko)." CreationDate="2017-03-27T20:51:48.317" UserId="1345" />
  <row Id="14153" PostId="3185" Score="2" Text="Of course no valuable answer should be deleted via question deletion. -- Though on the other hand I doubt that it is good practice to unnecessarily clutter the site with questions which are not well-thought and answers which merely point that out." CreationDate="2017-03-27T17:04:26.563" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14154" PostId="3185" Score="3" Text="Indeed.  That is why I usually comment first, to prod the user into formulating a better question.  However, with one person (I believe it was one using two different ids) comments were not enough, and my subsequent answers were deleted along with the questions.  Indeed clutter not MathOverflow with such attempts, but I think we need more examples of how the attempts are made and corrected.  Gerhard &quot;It Is A Learning Process&quot; Paseman, 2017.03.27." CreationDate="2017-03-27T17:26:56.070" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14163" PostId="3187" Score="2" Text="If it doesn't fit, don't force it; ask Joel instead. In what universe could this possibly hold? All of them. Gerhard &quot;Could Go On All Day&quot; Paseman, 2017.03.30." CreationDate="2017-03-30T20:33:10.983" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14164" PostId="3187" Score="4" Text="There are a couple of places to celebrate achievements on MO or by MO users.  For example, see http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/753/history-of-mathoverflow/1454#1454 or http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/753/history-of-mathoverflow/1902#1902 or http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/617/best-of-mathoverflow/ .   And by the way there are two users with the gold badge for set theory." CreationDate="2017-03-30T22:48:01.803" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="14166" PostId="3187" Score="2" Text="@Lucia Indeed let me pay my due respect to Andreas Blass right here. On the other hand the posts you mention have a slightly more serious tone so I thought it was more appropriate to make a separate post." CreationDate="2017-03-31T09:17:22.793" UserId="6129" />
  <row Id="14169" PostId="3187" Score="6" Text="I just found this post---hilarious! Thanks for the tribute, @coudy.  In the spirit of the question, and with enormous risk of annoying people, let me add a few more: when JDH plays infinite chess against himself, he wins on both sides!  JDH's large cardinals can prove their own consistency! JDH is not of this universe---he lives in all set-theoretic universes. JDH doesn't need axoms to prove his theorems---he proves everything from the empty theory. JDH's supertask machines complete infinitely many steps of computation in a finite amount of time! All his large cardinals are indestructible!" CreationDate="2017-03-31T13:41:25.330" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="14172" PostId="3187" Score="0" Text="The dining philosophers badge and reciting $\pi$ backwards badge were awarded to Jon Skeet first. Sorry, Joel David Hamkins." CreationDate="2017-04-01T00:09:57.277" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15442" PostId="3187" Score="0" Text="I made some edits.  I wish I had a sufficiently good sense of humour to know whether &quot;Cray Institute&quot; is intentional or a typo.  :-)" CreationDate="2017-12-15T18:48:20.560" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="15450" PostId="3187" Score="4" Text="The number of MO points of @JoelDavidHamkins as a function of time is bounded by a computable function -- in *some* model of Peano Arithmetic." CreationDate="2017-12-16T07:40:19.973" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="20048" PostId="3188" Score="2" Text="American spelling for MO, British for arXiv?" CreationDate="2019-05-15T13:32:46.080" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27611" PostId="3188" Score="0" Text="That's right, we had to upgrade the spelling from MO to arXiv :)" CreationDate="2022-08-23T13:26:20.193" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="14168" PostId="3190" Score="1" Text="In short: the commenter can always post an answer. You cannot delete an accepted answer unless the question owner unaccepts it. Points cannot be transferred (except you set a bounty on the question and award it to the commenter when they post their answer), but people can vote up the new correct answer." CreationDate="2017-03-31T13:17:37.283" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14181" PostId="3191" Score="1" Text="One hack is that the moderators can delete and undelete the question, thus force it to be unaccepted again." CreationDate="2017-04-01T20:14:55.437" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14170" PostId="3192" Score="9" Text="The comment that was deleted said: &quot;Thanks for the link to the nice paper. It turns out that I was not diligent enough about searching for an answer to this question and it has already been answered http://mathoverflow.net/questions/212653/…. I'll delete my question soon&quot;" CreationDate="2017-03-31T22:08:30.330" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="14171" PostId="3192" Score="2" Text="(10k rep is &quot;all&quot; that is needed to see deleted posts/answers)" CreationDate="2017-03-31T22:09:14.017" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="14173" PostId="3192" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi Thanks!  The answer to this older question is exactly the sort of thing I was hoping to see." CreationDate="2017-04-01T00:34:04.503" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="14174" PostId="3192" Score="1" Text="Somewhat related: [Should we request a Private Message system?](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/663) (The answers there explain how - at least in some cases - you can contact other users.) And in fact the same things are explained also in the thread you linked to. So probably saying that &quot;there is no way to contact other users *privately*&quot; would be more precise way of putting it." CreationDate="2017-04-01T14:59:33.997" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14175" PostId="3192" Score="1" Text="There are also some possibilities which users below 10k can try to get some stuff from deleted posts. For example, some possibilities are [mentioned here](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/a/26074). Although in this specific case neither [Google Cache](http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://mathoverflow.net/questions/265976/computing-bases-for-the-contraction-of-an-ideal-in-mathbbqz-1-ldots-z-n) nor [SEDE](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/646739/comments-on-a-given-post?postid=265976) were sufficient to get the comment you were looking for." CreationDate="2017-04-01T15:05:04.610" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14176" PostId="3192" Score="3" Text="One way to attempt to contact the user is to leave a comment on another question/answer from the user. http://mathoverflow.net/users/77946/charlie" CreationDate="2017-04-01T18:59:18.463" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="14202" PostId="3192" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, maybe you should delete your comment, since Gro-Tsen expressed a desire not to identify the author of the original question?  Also, such a use seems counter to the spirit of the question/answer system, except as a kludge towards a messaging system (and we all know how tolerant we are of the analogous situation of comments left as answers with the excuse that the poster can't leave comments yet :-) )." CreationDate="2017-04-04T21:16:15.570" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14203" PostId="3192" Score="1" Text="@LSpice no, all posts on MathOverlow are subject to the CC-BY-SA license, regardless of whether they are deleted or not. Having 10k reputation doesn't allow anyone to get around the law, but the moderator agreement does prevent me from providing more information to Gro-Tsen." CreationDate="2017-04-04T21:32:43.510" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="14204" PostId="3192" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, I don't think I expressed a view on anyone's fitness to evade the law.  I was just suggesting that, since there is no particular need to identify the questioner (Gro-Tsen obviously knows who it is), it might be courteous, though not legally required, to follow Gro-Tsen's lead in not identifying him or her." CreationDate="2017-04-04T21:39:06.797" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14209" PostId="3192" Score="1" Text="@LSpice looks like half of my earlier comment got deleted... Anyway, that's now besides the point. Since this post links to the deleted question, it doesn't seem that there is any desire to hide the author's identity. Moreover, it seems that would be counterproductive to the goal to hide the author's user name." CreationDate="2017-04-05T11:17:20.483" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="14177" PostId="3193" Score="9" Text="Even if it is behind a paywall, the reference will be clear, and therefore useful." CreationDate="2017-04-01T19:16:11.737" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="14180" PostId="3193" Score="3" Text="@Lucia. Not necessarily. See the first link in the post http://mathoverflow.net/questions/266109/ Here is the link. https://pugwash.lib.warwick.ac.uk/iii/cas/login?service=https%3A%2F%2Fpugwash.lib.warwick.ac.uk%3A443%2Fpatroninfo~S15%2F0%2Fredirect%3D%2Fwamvalidate%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252F0-www.ams.org.pugwash.lib.warwick.ac.uk%253A80%252Fleavingmsn%253Furl%253Dhttp%253A%252F%252F0-muse.jhu.edu.pugwash.lib.warwick.ac.uk%252Fjournals%252Famerican_journal_of_mathematics%252Fv126%252F126.2dieulefait.pdfIIITICKET&amp;scope=15 Is it useful?" CreationDate="2017-04-01T19:38:05.710" UserId="6129" />
  <row Id="14185" PostId="3193" Score="10" Text="Clearly *that* edit should not have gotten through. I fixed it based on the information provided by Jim Humphreys. But (1) this type of improper linking is pretty rare, and (2) I wouldn't call that a paywall exactly. I understand &quot;paywall&quot; as referring to a vendor, typically an academic publisher such as a journal -- not an academic institution that has institutional access to the journal. So I think Asaf's answer is the right answer for the paywall question." CreationDate="2017-04-01T20:49:19.860" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14186" PostId="3193" Score="1" Text="@Trimble Paywall was perhaps not the best choice of words. Let me edit the title of my question." CreationDate="2017-04-01T20:50:56.593" UserId="6129" />
  <row Id="14193" PostId="3193" Score="1" Text="Here is another example of a problematic link http://www.springerlink.com.proxy.lib.ohio-state.edu/content/g608340k6281605x/ from the answer http://mathoverflow.net/a/25111/6129" CreationDate="2017-04-02T20:46:15.070" UserId="6129" />
  <row Id="14194" PostId="3193" Score="4" Text="coudy, yes, that's true. But that was from almost 7 years ago (and no telling when that poster will reappear). Problems like this from long ago need to be addressed case by case. If you spot such problems, please flag for moderator attention (and thanks for your attention)." CreationDate="2017-04-03T04:44:17.177" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14189" PostId="3194" Score="4" Text="What is the effect of this shutdown on MO ? Will the mathematical symbols and formulas still be properly displayed ?" CreationDate="2017-04-02T00:30:10.823" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="14191" PostId="3194" Score="4" Text="@ToddLeason: As I read the post, yes math notation will be properly displayed. The only difference from the user's standpoint is the where the service is hosted. Worst case: pages will load a little slower. (But they might be faster. It all depends on the new host.)" CreationDate="2017-04-02T08:16:07.750" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="14192" PostId="3194" Score="0" Text="Geoff, Jon, thanks for the information." CreationDate="2017-04-02T08:32:38.700" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="14182" PostId="3195" Score="3" Text="With due respect, it is better to provide the accurate citation information in the post than to link to a website which may contain accurate citation information for a few selected registered users. Note also that my question is about links with restricted access, not arxiv." CreationDate="2017-04-01T20:19:05.763" UserId="6129" />
  <row Id="14183" PostId="3195" Score="3" Text="I have never seen a journal website which required you to pay in order to even see what is that paper you are trying to open. Do you have any examples of paywalled journals that do not have free access to the title and information, as well as the abstract? (Yes, having the full citation is not a bad idea, this is why we have the citation helper installed. I'm not arguing against that.)" CreationDate="2017-04-01T20:20:44.373" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14187" PostId="3195" Score="1" Text="Let me agree that journal websites with paid content may also provide free content of interesting value. That's not really my point here. I am asking about linked content that can only be accessed under some specific condition (typically a paid registration, e.g. the full abstract on mathscinet)." CreationDate="2017-04-01T20:55:51.040" UserId="6129" />
  <row Id="14190" PostId="3195" Score="15" Text="I should add: wherever possible, use a doi link, in case the journal changes publisher (eg London Mathematical Society moved everything to Wiley recently)" CreationDate="2017-04-02T01:59:10.270" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14199" PostId="3195" Score="6" Text="@AsafKaragila: A lot of people link to PDFs instead of landing pages; such links can be completely useless without access (they won't even tell you the title)." CreationDate="2017-04-04T20:05:31.663" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="14200" PostId="3195" Score="3" Text="@darij: Direct link to a .pdf is not ideal anyway. That's not the issue here." CreationDate="2017-04-04T20:24:04.970" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24053" PostId="3195" Score="1" Text="@darijgrinberg, without arguing about your [main point](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3193/edits-with-links-to-material-under-restricted-access#comment14199_3195) (I wage war on direct-to-PDF links), lots of journals are friendly enough that, if you try to follow a direct-to-PDF link to paywalled content, they'll re-direct you to the article page.  (No help if you have access but *wanted* the article page, which is why I still think links should go to landing pages as you suggest.)" CreationDate="2020-09-24T00:09:45.450" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14196" PostId="3196" Score="2" Text="&quot;people have professional incentives to gain reputation on Stack Overflow&quot;. Really? Can you tell me more about this? Point me to a link somewhere?" CreationDate="2017-04-04T07:24:23.297" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14198" PostId="3196" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson I don't know if this actually came to pass but the original plan for monetising StackOverflow was to use it as a recruitment platform for programmers." CreationDate="2017-04-04T19:29:18.963" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="14205" PostId="3196" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson Some links: http://www.itworld.com/article/2707360/it-management/your-stack-overflow-reputation-can-help-get-you-hired---by-stack-overflow.html, http://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/20407/will-high-reputation-in-stack-overflow-help-to-get-a-good-job" CreationDate="2017-04-04T22:14:15.540" UserId="4362" />
  <row Id="14206" PostId="3196" Score="0" Text="The tl;dr is that there is no formal process which transforms Stack Overflow reputation into a job or a higher salary, but some employers do consider it as a factor.  To the best of my knowledge your Math Overflow reputation doesn't have much of a career impact for mathematicians, but I suppose I don't know for sure." CreationDate="2017-04-04T22:17:17.300" UserId="4362" />
  <row Id="14207" PostId="3196" Score="2" Text="Successive Math Department chairs have made it clear to me that they consider MO participation to be a negative and not to be indulged in during business hours." CreationDate="2017-04-04T22:36:07.837" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14208" PostId="3196" Score="13" Text="That is not at all surprising, though it doesn't really make sense to me.  Asking and answering interesting questions with other mathematicians is a key part of doing research (one could argue that it is *equivalent* to doing research), and it is not clear to me why doing it in your colleague's office is &quot;business&quot; while doing it on a public internet forum is a waste of time.  I can understand assigning little or no value to MO rep - it does not obviously correlate with anything - but assigning a negative value feels a bit antiquated." CreationDate="2017-04-05T06:53:54.337" UserId="4362" />
  <row Id="14210" PostId="3196" Score="2" Text="I think that all the negative feedback mechanisms listed in this answer are good and useful, and MO would be worse off if any of them was missing (e.g., comments and edits help keep answers correct and readable, downvotes help remove useless answers out of sight, etc.). But I think it wouldn't hurt to have more positive feedback mechanisms! We could try uncoupling the &quot;thanks, this looks readable and useful&quot; meaning of an upvote from the &quot;this answer has been checked and all details found correct&quot; meaning (maybe by creating an extra kind of non-anon votes for the latter?)." CreationDate="2017-04-06T17:00:23.567" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="29551" PostId="3196" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Back in 2017, I agreed with you that such a department chair was wrong. But, lately, I'm starting to think the department chair might have been right. One could rationally argue that MO is contributing to the problem of underrepresentation in math, and supporting the site is de facto adding to the problem. That said, I remember a lot about issues with Macquarie department chairs from when I used to visit there, and generally wouldn't take the side of the dept chair from that era." CreationDate="2024-01-31T01:33:47.030" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29552" PostId="3196" Score="0" Text="@David, believe me, the chairs' opposition to my efforts on MO had nothing to do with their having any concerns about the problem of underrepresentation in math." CreationDate="2024-01-31T03:28:50.023" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14201" PostId="3198" Score="6" Text="As written, no.  If you define terminology and instead ask how to find it, it may become suitable. Gerhard &quot;Not Following External Links Presently&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.04." CreationDate="2017-04-04T21:01:37.863" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14211" PostId="3198" Score="3" Text="This question is completely understandable to experts (although the MSE question gives the definitoins).  This can be reformulated entirely in terms of linear algebra, which would make it easier to get an answer.  If I am not mistaken, you want the number of $2$-dimensional subspaces $U,U'$ of $\mathbb Z_2^n$ and $n-2$-dimensional subspaces $V,V'$ of $\mathbb Z_2^n$ such that $U\cap V=U\cap V'=U'\cap V=U'\cap V'=0$." CreationDate="2017-04-07T18:46:06.253" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="14213" PostId="3199" Score="14" Text="Math Overflow has tags corresponding to all of the Arxiv math subjects.  Including GM." CreationDate="2017-04-09T09:35:01.020" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="14273" PostId="3199" Score="0" Text="Some older (from 2013) discussion whether this tag should be deleted or not: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/642/tags-that-encourage-off-topic-questions/720#720" CreationDate="2017-04-20T03:04:49.330" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14214" PostId="3200" Score="3" Text="I believe using any site from SE network might be problematic, although I do not know much about the details. Here are some posts related to the issue from other metas: [“Stack Overflow requires external JavaScript from another domain” message](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/89433), [Add a fallback for jQuery in case it fails to load from Google's CDN](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/133786) and [Use of ajax.googleapis.com not China friendly](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/258288)." CreationDate="2017-04-10T05:01:01.600" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14215" PostId="3200" Score="4" Text="Probably these two are closer to your problem: [MSE requires JavaScript from another domain, which is blocked or failed to load](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/16661) and [JavaScript loading problem](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1746)." CreationDate="2017-04-10T05:03:02.437" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14216" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak thanks for the links; so the issue is already known, I will check the links for fixes." CreationDate="2017-04-10T06:22:53.003" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="14217" PostId="3200" Score="2" Text="To help nail down the issue, you can try and find out which script isn't loading by going to the dev tools (right click &gt; inspect &gt; debugger, tab sources, or inspect &gt; console) and seeing which source is failing to load. If it's a script from `cdn.sstatic.net` it is most likely [this issue](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1746/javascript-loading-problem)." CreationDate="2017-04-10T09:05:45.110" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="14219" PostId="3200" Score="1" Text="Using a SOCKS proxy might work.  Set it up with ssh -D 1080 user@host.com   The -D 1080 tells ssh to set up a SOCKS4 proxy on port 1080. Replace user@host.com with your actual username and remote host information, of course.  In a different terminal window, try open -a /Applications/Google\ Chrome.app --args --proxy-server=&quot;socks5://localhost:1080&quot;  to force Chrome to use the SOCKS connection. Yours might be somewhat different. For me what works on my Mac is to replace Applications by users/[myname]" CreationDate="2017-04-10T16:18:44.173" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="14222" PostId="3200" Score="2" Text="@BillJohnson: SOCKS proxies should be considered obsolete these days.  A much more convenient way to achieve the same aim is to use software like sshuttle (https://github.com/apenwarr/sshuttle), which completely transparently reroutes the entire Internet connection through an SSH server." CreationDate="2017-04-11T11:17:57.333" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="14227" PostId="3200" Score="2" Text="Has there anything been fixed already? Today everything seems to work fine. Thanks to all who have contributed to identify and/or fix the issue." CreationDate="2017-04-12T00:38:20.843" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="14231" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov:  Thanks for the tip." CreationDate="2017-04-12T13:04:38.673" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="14220" PostId="3201" Score="3" Text="That particular question was quite terrible *irrespective* of the issue if TeX questions are on-topic on MO. I don't think it would fare much better at tex.stackexchange.com ." CreationDate="2017-04-10T20:41:55.707" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14221" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="What @Emil said. It shouldn't have been migrated under the rule &quot;don't migrate crap&quot;. I expected it to bounce back, and get removed by the Roomba services. (In fact, it is already deleted from [TeX.se].)" CreationDate="2017-04-11T06:01:12.697" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14223" PostId="3202" Score="1" Text="I think that questions like you described would be completely off-topic here." CreationDate="2017-04-11T14:30:05.130" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="14224" PostId="3202" Score="2" Text="@Andy , Is it that much unlike a reference request?  Gerhard &quot;Or Are Reference Requests Unwelcome?&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.11." CreationDate="2017-04-11T14:37:47.600" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14225" PostId="3202" Score="4" Text="Reference requests are fine, but they have to involve actual mathematics." CreationDate="2017-04-11T14:48:35.303" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="14226" PostId="3202" Score="2" Text="OK. I think the example above can and does involve actual mathematics.  Gerhard &quot;Thank You For Your Opinion&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.11." CreationDate="2017-04-11T14:51:30.923" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14228" PostId="3203" Score="5" Text="If you can state briefly what more of an answer you hope for, you can put a low bounty on it.  I would suggest that and contacting some of the other members before doing an edit or reasking using a new question.  Gerhard &quot;Here The Points Do Matter&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.11." CreationDate="2017-04-12T01:08:39.300" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14229" PostId="3203" Score="1" Text="How do bounties work when an answer is already accepted?" CreationDate="2017-04-12T02:44:24.480" UserId="78" />
  <row Id="14230" PostId="3203" Score="3" Text="I imagine the same way as when an answer is not accepted.  I just went to click on &quot;start a bounty&quot; . Gerhard &quot;Seems Simple Enough To Me&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.11." CreationDate="2017-04-12T04:06:22.393" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14232" PostId="3205" Score="0" Text="I take exception to the assertion &quot;this is a site for professional mathematicians&quot;.  The statement to me seems unnecessarily exclusionary.  I will agree that a lot of people who use this site are professional mathematicians and others who do have the type of access you mention.  However, the community now and in the future (and likely in the past) includes many outside such a circle.  I won't champion the cause of all links being to unrestricted access material, but I think there is a better way to make your point.  Gerhard &quot;We Are The Twenty Percent&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.12." CreationDate="2017-04-13T03:37:07.143" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14233" PostId="3205" Score="1" Text="If you need an alternative phrasing, &quot;MathOverflow is primarily for questions and answers about professional mathematics&quot;, and does not exclude anyone who wishes to support the primary mission of this forum.  Gerhard &quot;Even And Especially The Non-Mathematicians&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.12." CreationDate="2017-04-13T03:40:33.317" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14234" PostId="3205" Score="2" Text="@Gerhard Paseman: On top of your window, click &quot;help&quot; and then &quot;tour&quot;. I paste and copy: &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians. It's built and run by you as part of the Stack Exchange network of Q&amp;A sites.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-04-13T03:40:56.807" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="14235" PostId="3205" Score="1" Text="Thank you.  I took exception to that too when it was raised. (Unrestricted access to that post forthcoming.) The rationale then was that the scheme set up by Stack exchange needed a blank filled in by the name of a group of people, not by a purpose.  If you want to quote the boilerplate, go ahead.  I still think your point can be made without it. Gerhard &quot;Time To Change Boilerplate, Maybe?&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.12." CreationDate="2017-04-13T03:47:15.153" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14236" PostId="3205" Score="2" Text="@Gerhard Paseman: There is another site MathSE, for broader audience.  Of course both sites are open for all who is willing to join. But for me it is important that this site is run by and designed for professional mathematicians." CreationDate="2017-04-13T03:51:36.887" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="14237" PostId="3205" Score="0" Text="http://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2371 , especially (former user) quid's answer and my comment.  I do not care to challenge the opinion of your post. I think the characterization of whom the forum serves is wrong.  Gerhard &quot;Or Do You Support It?&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.12." CreationDate="2017-04-13T03:53:39.717" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14238" PostId="3205" Score="1" Text="@Gerhard Paseman: So we disagree. This characterization &quot;for professional mathematicians&quot; is frequently used to close certain kind of questions or to move them to MathSE. If we change this, there will be more such questions. So this description plays a useful role." CreationDate="2017-04-13T04:06:23.693" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="14241" PostId="3207" Score="1" Text="Can you include a screenshot, the browser/OS you are using and whether you have any user scripts installed? I'm not seeing a problem with the tilde in this question." CreationDate="2017-04-14T17:59:06.293" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="14242" PostId="3207" Score="1" Text="@JonEricson, I am using Safari 10.1 on macOS 10.12.4.  The display issue persists with extensions disabled.  I just checked, and the problem doesn't occur on Firefox.  How do I attach a screenshot to a post / comment?" CreationDate="2017-04-14T18:05:33.213" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14243" PostId="3207" Score="1" Text="Repro'd in Safari on macOS (same versions as LSpice): https://i.stack.imgur.com/7YWfM.png It probably has something to do with [MathJax now being hosted on CloudFlare](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/294710/295232)." CreationDate="2017-04-14T18:19:12.990" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="14244" PostId="3207" Score="1" Text="@LSpice when you [edit] your question, there's a toolbar above the box where you enter your content. The sixth button inserts an image for you; you can also press Ctrl + G." CreationDate="2017-04-14T18:22:52.237" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="14245" PostId="3207" Score="5" Text="This is unlikely to be related to the CDN change.  A recent change in WebKit has affects some accents in Safari, so it is more likely that it is [this issue](https://github.com/mathjax/MathJax/issues/1709) than the change in cdn.  The fact that it only seems to affect Safari suggests this is likely the case.  Are you using CommonHTML output?" CreationDate="2017-04-14T18:50:16.057" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="14246" PostId="3207" Score="0" Text="@DavideCervone, I don't know how to find out whether I am using the CommonHTML output." CreationDate="2017-04-14T19:22:03.377" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14247" PostId="3207" Score="1" Text="Use the contextual menu (control-click) on some typeset math and you should see the MathJax menu.  Use `Math Settings` then `Math Renderer` to see which one is selected.  Try changing to a different one and see if that helps (the SVG output would probably work for you)." CreationDate="2017-04-14T19:31:19.930" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="14248" PostId="3207" Score="0" Text="@DavideCervone, thanks.  The problem seems only to occur with HTML-CSS output.  I can make the change on a formula-by-formula level, but is there a way to change it globally?" CreationDate="2017-04-14T19:46:59.857" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14249" PostId="3207" Score="2" Text="@LSpice, the MathJax menu settings are site-wide, not equation-by-equation, so if you set it once, it should work everywhere on that site.  You do have to set it for each site, however, and the setting is stored in a cookie, so if you have those turned off or restricted, that could affect it as well." CreationDate="2017-04-14T20:52:57.723" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="14889" PostId="3207" Score="2" Text="This was re-tagged 'status-completed', and I cannot remove the tag, but the problem persists for me." CreationDate="2017-09-09T01:32:25.667" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17819" PostId="3207" Score="1" Text="I still have this problem in Safari on iOS. Is anyone aware of a way to switch the renderer on iOS?" CreationDate="2018-12-04T04:22:41.360" UserId="132063" />
  <row Id="14250" PostId="3208" Score="2" Text="I'd say just edit your question -- append a section with title like &quot;Update (April 15, 2017):&quot; briefly describing your progress and -- if appropriate -- linking to external documents like preprints, data files etc.." CreationDate="2017-04-15T10:13:51.170" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14251" PostId="3209" Score="1" Text="Math renderer HTML-CSS has this problem, but none of the other renderers." CreationDate="2017-04-15T15:45:29.597" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="14257" PostId="3209" Score="1" Text="Thanks for narrowing it down. I've opened https://github.com/mathjax/MathJax/issues/1737 to track this but we generally advise using the CommonHTML output." CreationDate="2017-04-18T08:00:43.170" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="14710" PostId="3209" Score="1" Text="2.7.2 (with a fix) is now in beta, cf. also https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26768/mathjax-v2-7-2-beta" CreationDate="2017-08-09T06:38:36.027" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="14253" PostId="3212" Score="3" Text="Your question has 4 upvotes, the bounty is still active, and nobody suggested that your question should better be migrated to math.SE or would otherwise be off-topic. -- So why not just wait?" CreationDate="2017-04-17T22:52:56.013" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14254" PostId="3212" Score="1" Text="Question with an active bounty cannot be migrate - you have to wait until the bounty ends. An alternative would be to ask moderators to cancel the bounty. See [Can a question with an open bounty on it be migrated from M.SE to MO?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/11807) and [What happens to a bounty question if it gets migrated?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/38819)." CreationDate="2017-04-18T03:28:56.797" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14255" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="I think I will to wait till someone suggests to migrate." CreationDate="2017-04-18T03:31:37.847" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="14275" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="Migrated to math.SE : https://math.stackexchange.com/q/2249528/2987" CreationDate="2017-04-24T11:39:34.747" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="14256" PostId="3213" Score="0" Text="As I already indicated in my reply to Stefan's comment, I am working on an edit; the thing is however, that the edit will contain some sub-problems and their answer as well, e.g. counting and reporting all k-tuples of non-adjacent edges of a complete symmetric labelled graph." CreationDate="2017-04-18T03:52:55.337" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="14258" PostId="3214" Score="2" Text="There certainly exist mailing lists for some areas, for example, [foundations of mathematics](http://cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/), [Banach spaces](https://www.mathdept.okstate.edu/pipermail/banach/) or [algebraic topology](https://lists.lehigh.edu/pipermail/algtop-l/). I do not know about the areas you mentioned in your post." CreationDate="2017-04-18T12:03:45.133" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14261" PostId="3214" Score="3" Text="Doesn't this question fit better on main than here on meta?" CreationDate="2017-04-18T13:31:15.357" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14262" PostId="3214" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson I just moved it here because on main it was argued it fits better on meta :)" CreationDate="2017-04-18T13:32:04.083" UserId="54495" />
  <row Id="14263" PostId="3214" Score="3" Text="Hmmm. meta is for questions about the operation of main,  so I don't see it. Anyway, there's a Number Theory listserve, NMBRTHRY@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU, but it's pretty low-volume." CreationDate="2017-04-18T13:35:43.863" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14265" PostId="3214" Score="0" Text="The AMS once had a page where mailing lists on mathematics areas were listed.  But I looked just now and did not find it.  So: I guess mailing lists, although popular in the last century, are little used today." CreationDate="2017-04-18T14:00:58.120" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="14266" PostId="3214" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson Here is link to the question on the main: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/267537/research-mailing-lists-usenet-groups (Deleted at the moment, so visible only to 10k+ users and the OP.)" CreationDate="2017-04-18T14:20:52.663" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14259" PostId="3215" Score="0" Text="Hi, it the step 8, I cannot find &quot;News&quot;" CreationDate="2017-04-18T13:20:51.220" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="14260" PostId="3215" Score="0" Text="@Name try to quit pine and open it again. it should appear then. if that does not help open pine, press s, then c, then scroll down to: &quot;Enable Incoming Folders Collection&quot; and enable this by pressing X." CreationDate="2017-04-18T13:30:04.240" UserId="54495" />
  <row Id="14264" PostId="3215" Score="1" Text="Ok, after exiting from pine/alpine in the collection folders, I saw something like `News-Collection &lt;News on news.gwene.org/nntp&gt;`, I pressed `A` and added the value `gwene.mathoverflow.recent` and it worked! Great." CreationDate="2017-04-18T13:40:55.107" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="14267" PostId="3218" Score="1" Text="You are attributing to me opinions which I have not expressed. I have no basis for an opinion on the number of active mailing lists in Mathematics. I limited my comment to the one mailing list with which I have some experience." CreationDate="2017-04-18T22:52:23.823" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14268" PostId="3218" Score="1" Text="@Gerry, I apologize.  I will edit the post to reflect my beliefs.  Gerhard &quot;Feel Free To Not Express&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.18." CreationDate="2017-04-18T23:04:30.893" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14269" PostId="3219" Score="1" Text="I did not find any archive for [Real Analysis List](http://www.math.louisville.edu/~lee/rae/rafaq.html) online and I am not a subscriber. If somebody has more information about that list, please do add it to the post. (Especially knowing whether it is still active would be useful.)" CreationDate="2017-04-19T05:13:40.907" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14270" PostId="3219" Score="1" Text="I am also able to find some individual messages from category theory mailing list [here](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22gmane.science.mathematics.categories%22+site%3Apermalink.gmane.org) but I did not find some kind of index for the whole archive [from here](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.science.mathematics.categories). Also [this link is dead](http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.science.mathematics.categories), but it [used to have some archive](http://web.archive.org/web/20160716083322/http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.science.mathematics.categories)." CreationDate="2017-04-19T05:18:49.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14271" PostId="3219" Score="2" Text="That's the thing with a mailing list: it is a mailing list, not an archive.  I am a subscriber to the Real Analysis list, but have received no messages for years.  So I guess it is defunct." CreationDate="2017-04-19T12:15:24.523" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="14276" PostId="3219" Score="1" Text="There's a finite group mailing list, but it's not archived on the open Web like fom, categories or ALG-TOP. It's website is also hopelessly out of date." CreationDate="2017-04-25T04:53:43.267" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14277" PostId="3219" Score="1" Text="There's also constructivenews, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/constructivenews for constructive mathematics of varying flavours; HoTT-Cafe for homotopy type theory for non-experts (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/hott-cafe) and homotopytypetheory for experts (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/homotopytypetheory). The finite group one is http://people.bath.ac.uk/masgcs/gpf.html or something like it, I think." CreationDate="2017-04-25T07:45:20.280" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14298" PostId="3219" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts Feel free to add the mailing lists which you consider interesting/useful enough. (I made the post CW as a way to encourage other users to edit it, if they have something worth adding.)" CreationDate="2017-04-28T18:07:04.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14280" PostId="3225" Score="6" Text="Seems sensible.  If the response here is positive, why not post this to the big meta forum for all of stackexchange?" CreationDate="2017-04-27T12:12:19.370" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="14281" PostId="3225" Score="3" Text="Isn’t there an explanatory link ([learn more](https://mathoverflow.net/help/user-was-removed)) right after the message? *This* was in fact the result of a discussion of this issue on the site-wide meta here: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/130122/more-descriptive-user-was-removed-explanation ." CreationDate="2017-04-27T12:20:32.510" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14283" PostId="3225" Score="6" Text="If you'd wake up, and a voice would tell you &quot;The person is dead&quot;, would you also freak out that you have died?" CreationDate="2017-04-27T21:09:49.967" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14285" PostId="3225" Score="11" Text="@AsafKaragila I would definitely freak out, if not for the stated reason." CreationDate="2017-04-28T11:25:01.603" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14299" PostId="3225" Score="4" Text="For what it's worth, I agree with HaukeReddmann that, when I saw the message, I thought the same thing (that I had been removed).  As to @AsafKaragila's question, I think that the more relevant comment would be waking up and hearing &quot;Human has been killed&quot;, at which point, yes, I might fear for my life." CreationDate="2017-04-28T18:21:43.990" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14301" PostId="3225" Score="3" Text="How about *votes* were removed, since a user being deleted has no relation to votes being removed for reasons such as too much voting." CreationDate="2017-04-29T01:06:42.110" UserId="91299" />
  <row Id="14302" PostId="3225" Score="5" Text="Perhaps it is worth mentioning that this feature request is marked (meta-tag:status-completed): [More descriptive “User was removed” explanation](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/130122)." CreationDate="2017-04-29T05:08:03.550" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14323" PostId="3225" Score="0" Text="@LSpice: There is a difference between &quot;fearing for your life&quot; and thinking that *you* are the one who is dead." CreationDate="2017-05-01T06:47:51.587" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14325" PostId="3225" Score="2" Text="The stackoverflow difference is that you have more than one &quot;life&quot;. (I used to be downvoted to hell on the programming suboverflow, for what reasons ever, and thus thought it was a realistic possibility to get booted *there*. Frankly, I don't even know if that is possible at all, or if my account counts global for all subs.)" CreationDate="2017-05-01T15:36:24.217" UserId="11504" />
  <row Id="14354" PostId="3225" Score="1" Text="I see nothing wrong with this message. Had it been &quot;User has been taken care of&quot;, or &quot;Soul has been reaped&quot;, I would have found it sinister, but the current version is just fine." CreationDate="2017-05-06T13:57:13.197" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="14366" PostId="3225" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek: [Not in the achievements dropdown, there isn't.](https://i.stack.imgur.com/dcSTm.png)" CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:36:03.913" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="14286" PostId="3226" Score="3" Text="I have also been annoyed by this issue. Suppose I write a nonsense answer (er, hypothetically, cough, cough..), post it, and then recognize that it is nonsense, so I delete immediately. But now I can't erase the nonsense without first undeleting! So I do that very quickly, hoping nobody sees the nonsense while I am erasing it." CreationDate="2017-04-28T11:38:59.427" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="14287" PostId="3226" Score="5" Text="Wait a sec...Asaf says he can edit his deleted answers, Joel says he can't. Have we found the long-awaited contradiction that proves the Universe is inconsistent?" CreationDate="2017-04-28T12:04:40.457" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14288" PostId="3226" Score="7" Text="@GerryMyerson All I see is a proof that Asaf $\ne$ Joel." CreationDate="2017-04-28T12:40:24.520" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14290" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: Yes, I can see that. I can't seem to edit my own deleted questions. https://mathoverflow.net/questions/30909/stone-von-neumann-mackey-theorem for example." CreationDate="2017-04-28T13:27:57.030" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14292" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="it's also an issue on MO Meta:, the &quot;edit&quot; button is greyed out for my own question: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3228/can-i-edit-my-own-deleted-questions" CreationDate="2017-04-28T13:32:24.420" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="14293" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="@Carlo: I seem to be able to edit your post." CreationDate="2017-04-28T13:33:29.033" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14294" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="yes, that's the weird part: the &quot;edit&quot; button is only greyed out if it is your own question, I can edit your questions and you can edit mine, but not the other way around." CreationDate="2017-04-28T13:34:42.300" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="14295" PostId="3226" Score="2" Text="If I understand [this post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/178760/couple-of-issues-with-roomba-turbocharging/179555#179555) correctly, users are not able to edit *self-deleted* questions (this behavior should be the same on any site in SE network). You should be able to edit self-deleted answers. (However, it bumps the question.) And you should be able to edit an answer which was deleted for other reasons, not self-deleted." CreationDate="2017-04-28T17:52:54.137" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14296" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="@Martin: But I can edit self deleted questions on MSE." CreationDate="2017-04-28T17:55:31.943" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14297" PostId="3226" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila I tried to search for my deleted questions on math.SE and meta.math.SE, and I cannot edit  them. If you are able to edit *your own questions* which were *deleted by yourself*, then it is a bug. (At least if we take the post on meta.SE as the official documentation.) Perhaps I should add that I have learned about this from [this answer](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/23285#23286)." CreationDate="2017-04-28T17:58:34.397" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14300" PostId="3226" Score="3" Text="@Martin: Huh, now it seems I can't edit self-deleted questions on MSE. The reason it seemed that I can is that at some point one moderator had tried something out, and undeleted/re-deleted that question. I just realized that." CreationDate="2017-04-28T23:29:33.943" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14303" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins As far as I can tell, you should be able to edit self-deleted *answers*. (See the posts linked above.) The disadvantage is that edit to a deleted answer still bumps the question. If you check [revision history](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/1860237/revisions) and [timeline](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/1860237/timeline) of [this answer](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1860006/find-x-where-x-32-1-geq-x235/1860237#1860237) on math.SE, you can see that I edited it after I deleted it. And I guess other users are able to provide similar examples here on MO." CreationDate="2017-04-29T06:24:11.277" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14304" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak You seem to be right. When I search for some of my own deleted answers now, it seems that I can edit them. But I have definitely had the experience of wanting to edit a deleted post and not being able to do so. Was it only with self-deleted questions? I guess so." CreationDate="2017-04-29T10:39:57.847" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="14329" PostId="3227" Score="0" Text="You might have already noticed comments under Todd Trimble's answer, but just to make sure - is this proposal about ([tag:completion]) tag, too?" CreationDate="2017-05-03T06:26:46.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14330" PostId="3227" Score="1" Text="I saw. I did mean the completeness tag, though. It was a huge mess." CreationDate="2017-05-03T07:06:04.073" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14399" PostId="3227" Score="0" Text="It's not necessary, it only exists for completeness... Sorry, please publicly flog me; I definitely deserve it." CreationDate="2017-05-26T01:52:10.173" UserId="10204" />
  <row Id="14305" PostId="3229" Score="2" Text="It is better to talk about unacceptable or problematic behaviour without naming names. As written, your post is better as a private email to the administrators.  If you must, you can link to an example, but I think your question is improved by leaving out the example and the mini-rant.  Gerhard &quot;Sometimes Wants To Maxi Rant&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.29." CreationDate="2017-04-29T20:47:49.570" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14306" PostId="3229" Score="4" Text="As a better question, I suggest &quot;I just tried to cast the final close vote on a question with a bounty, and the system said such questions with open bounty can't be closed.  Why is this?  I can see an abuse of this system by the author, especially if the post seems to do something like advertise a paper.&quot;. Gerhard &quot;May Use This Without Attribution&quot; Paseman, 2017.04.29." CreationDate="2017-04-29T20:54:05.390" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14307" PostId="3229" Score="6" Text="A bounty can be set on a question only after two days -- if the question hasn't been closed already by that time, it is likely not that unreasonable. Also, for a bounty the OP needs to have (and to spend) some points -- if they do this, they are usually particularly interested in an answer. When closed, the text of a question remains visible, and so does any advertisement contained therein -- so unlike spam flags, closure is not a means to remove advertisements." CreationDate="2017-04-29T21:55:34.317" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14309" PostId="3229" Score="2" Text="The question you want to close has at the moment 9 upvotes and an answer with 8 upvotes. This shows that there is some interest in it. I think there is no reason to fight here on meta for closing it (I understand your question on meta is more general, but about 2/3 of what you wrote is concerned with the linked question including your pronounced opinion on it)." CreationDate="2017-04-30T01:55:35.313" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="14311" PostId="3229" Score="6" Text="Somewhat related older discussion: [Using bounty to prevent a question from being closed](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2067). Perhaps you can find some other related posts among the questions tagged ([meta-tag:bounty])." CreationDate="2017-04-30T10:26:32.293" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14333" PostId="3229" Score="0" Text="David, instead of fighting a question tooth-and-nail you might want to make constructive suggestions as to its improvement and/or do some background reading and venture an *answer*, since the question has been re-opened." CreationDate="2017-05-04T09:34:56.983" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="14308" PostId="3230" Score="6" Text="For the specific question that prompted this one, the bounty seems to have been removed." CreationDate="2017-04-30T01:08:04.787" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="14313" PostId="3230" Score="0" Text="There are currently no &quot;close&quot; votes and the bounty is in place." CreationDate="2017-04-30T15:22:30.123" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="14314" PostId="3230" Score="8" Text="@MikhailKatz: The bounty was removed again. There were no close votes because the question was just reopened." CreationDate="2017-04-30T16:18:42.417" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="14315" PostId="3230" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, you are of course entitled to do what you feel is appropriate as a moderator, but I object to treating this question, which has been upvoted by no fewer than 19 users, as inherently problematic.  Otherwise why would you cancel the second bounty? Whoever wants to close the question can certainly wait for 7 days as bounties are not eternal. Your presumption that this will be closed a second time is not necessarily in the spirit of presumption of innocence. I am genuinely interested in getting additional information on this.  For example, Beenakker provided details I was not..." CreationDate="2017-04-30T16:37:15.520" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="14316" PostId="3230" Score="1" Text="...aware of both in this post and in the one on [Lagrange](https://mathoverflow.net/q/268243/28128). I find such cracking down surprising." CreationDate="2017-04-30T16:38:01.900" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="14317" PostId="3230" Score="16" Text="I have not voted to close, nor have I downvoted, even though I really don't like the question; if we are to point out it has been upvoted by no fewer than 19, we should point out that it has been downvoted by no fewer than 13" CreationDate="2017-04-30T16:51:25.467" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="14318" PostId="3230" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi, agreed :-) It would be helpful if you could clarify what it is about the question that you don't like. If it is critical of some historians' work on Cauchy, it seems to me there should be room at MO for such challenges." CreationDate="2017-04-30T17:07:49.043" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="14336" PostId="3230" Score="0" Text="Hi @François, it seems as though the tempers have cooled off a bit at Cauchy, and a day has gone by without any further closing votes. Would it be appropriate to post a bounty at this stage?" CreationDate="2017-05-05T07:31:57.287" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="14327" PostId="3233" Score="3" Text="Is ([tag:completion]) being removed too - https://mathoverflow.net/posts/268770/revisions and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/268770/doesnt-completion-of-a-representation-ring-preserve-its-indecomposables#comment664675_268770? (I see that completeness has already been manually removed from all questions.)" CreationDate="2017-05-02T10:46:20.883" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14328" PostId="3233" Score="2" Text="Oh, good point. There are 24 questions currently with the 'completion' tag. It has no usage guideline. We should discuss." CreationDate="2017-05-02T14:39:46.637" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14331" PostId="3233" Score="2" Text="Regarding that (one) instance of the completion tag that was removed: it's been restored, as no one has expressed feelings that the tag is generally problematic at the moment. (Might be nice to have a usage guideline at some point though.)" CreationDate="2017-05-03T11:58:26.850" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14332" PostId="3233" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the update!" CreationDate="2017-05-03T17:44:35.783" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14383" PostId="3233" Score="2" Text="Tag is now blacklisted; it can no longer be used." CreationDate="2017-05-16T21:09:35.680" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="14384" PostId="3233" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 Thanks for the update!" CreationDate="2017-05-16T21:54:09.257" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14335" PostId="3237" Score="1" Text="I wasn't sure if this is a bug or a feature, so I used both. Please retag appropriately." CreationDate="2017-05-05T06:54:57.713" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14337" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="I have yet to see the citation helper work *anywhere*." CreationDate="2017-05-05T07:55:38.253" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14338" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="Odd. I used it several times here and on math.SE (since its revamp, that is)." CreationDate="2017-05-05T08:05:41.467" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14339" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="Actually, now I finally found a browser where it does work: on my mobile phone. So, while the software appears fragile, it does not seem to discriminate against hand-held devices in particular." CreationDate="2017-05-05T11:13:59.363" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14341" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="Perhaps you can give us the details, then?" CreationDate="2017-05-05T13:26:06.720" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27159" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="It seems this is still an issue on touchscreen devices. Is there any chance that it can be fixed with some custom JS as indicated in [Ilmari Karonen's answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/3295)?" CreationDate="2022-03-30T12:08:43.330" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="14342" PostId="3238" Score="2" Text="I will add to the information provided the review is also shown on the [timeline of the post](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/269048/timeline), but only after *the review is finished*. All closures and re-openings of the question are shown both on timeline and in [revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/269048/revisions). (As a side note: @StefanKohl I think that your comment actually answers the question - so it probably could be posted as - or expanded to - an answer.)" CreationDate="2017-05-05T14:08:06.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14343" PostId="3238" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Is the timeline of a post linked somewhere, or does one need to manually enter the URL to see it?" CreationDate="2017-05-05T16:01:23.813" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14344" PostId="3238" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Manually. Probably the easiest way is to modify the link revision history - if that link is available (i.e., if the post was edited). See also [here](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/tags/timeline/info)." CreationDate="2017-05-05T16:22:46.370" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14352" PostId="3240" Score="9" Text="Even sites which are rather not known to care very much about the quality of contributions, like e.g. Facebook or Twitter, require registration before posting. -- I'd support MathOverflow doing the same." CreationDate="2017-05-06T13:26:46.017" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14353" PostId="3240" Score="3" Text="Alternatively, one could take the Wikipedia approach and give the IP number instead of the user name / user_xyz for contributions of unregistered users." CreationDate="2017-05-06T13:41:48.650" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14355" PostId="3240" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl I am a bit hesitated on this suggestion since some of the experts are just too busy to maintain an account yet their answers are very important in clarifying their own works. Like this post https://mathoverflow.net/questions/266921/how-is-the-conformal-prediction-conformal which I cannot imagine anyone except the author can answer." CreationDate="2017-05-06T18:43:32.607" UserId="25437" />
  <row Id="14356" PostId="3240" Score="2" Text="...and I have the same opinion for the askers, someone may just be too busy to maintain an account but that does not necessarily mean that a first post from an unregistered user must be of low-quality.  And the questions on the homepage will serve as a good reference for unregistered users to see if their questions are appropriate. So I am thinking that the negative side will outweight the positive side of this suggestion." CreationDate="2017-05-06T18:49:34.107" UserId="25437" />
  <row Id="14357" PostId="3240" Score="1" Text="@HenryL I will point out that the discussion whether the unregistered users should be prevented from *asking questions*. As I mentioned in the post, at math.SE (where something similar was implemented), posting an answer does not require registration. Neither does suggesting an edit." CreationDate="2017-05-06T18:57:31.463" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14358" PostId="3240" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak Erhh, I said that I have the same opinion for askers...is there significantly more unregistered askers than answerers? If that is the case then I will revoke my comment and apologize for ignorance." CreationDate="2017-05-06T19:09:53.897" UserId="25437" />
  <row Id="14359" PostId="3240" Score="0" Text="@Henry.L Your comments raise certainly a valid point. My *guess* would be that the situation you describe (an expert on a given area making a post) happens more often for answers than for questions. (I mean mainly the case of posting an answer on something related to their own work.) In general, I would *guess* that unregistered users more frequently ask questions than post answers - but this is probably unreasonable extrapolation based on the posts I've seen, which is a rather small sample. Let's hope somebody more knowledgeable will know whether it is possible to obtain some data on this." CreationDate="2017-05-07T06:30:58.317" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14360" PostId="3240" Score="0" Text="I should also add that more than 3% percent of answers posted by unregistered users are more than I would expect. (This is from data about StackOverflow from 2011 - I have added link in my recent edit. It might be quite different here at MO - but still, this is the only data I was able to find.)" CreationDate="2017-05-07T06:36:05.703" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20231" PostId="3240" Score="0" Text="I will add also a link to a FAQ post on Meta Stack Exchange: [Why should I register my account?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/44557) The answer contains some basic information about unregistered users (a.k.a. cookie-based accounts)." CreationDate="2019-06-03T03:59:08.630" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14345" PostId="3243" Score="2" Text="I have tried searching using this SEDE query for the word&#xA;[Douady](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/615875/comments-containing-given-keyword-on-my-posts?Word=Douady&amp;userid=36688) in comments on your posts. The only question if found was [Differential and pre-differential of Jacobi identity](https://mathoverflow.net/q/209694). (I did not find any mentioning Dixmier.) The same query [on math.SE](http://data.stackexchange.com/math/query/615875/comments-containing-given-keyword-on-my-posts?Word=Douady&amp;userid=143009) returns no results. (You can try other reasonable keywords.)" CreationDate="2017-05-06T07:27:24.893" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14346" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Thank  you  very  much  for  your  help." CreationDate="2017-05-06T07:47:28.537" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14347" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="But I guess that the question I linked to is not the one you are looking for, right?" CreationDate="2017-05-06T07:48:25.597" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14348" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Yes  it  is  not but I thank  you  for  showing  me  the  explor data  search  system.  My  conversation was  about  obstructions  for fiberwise matrix  algebra  structure  for  a  vector  bundle." CreationDate="2017-05-06T07:50:13.987" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14349" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  I remember  that  some  one  answered me  Duaddy Diximier  invariant  (Or  class)  or  some  thing  like this(In the  third  cohomology)" CreationDate="2017-05-06T07:52:53.927" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14350" PostId="3243" Score="1" Text="Are you sure it was spelled *Diximier* in those comments? (You have also used various spellings of Douady in your question and your comments here on meta.)" CreationDate="2017-05-06T07:55:00.120" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14351" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Yes you are right. My  spelling was incorrect. Thanks :)" CreationDate="2017-05-06T10:02:50.780" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14370" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="I can't help with finding the MO conversation, but indeed such bundles are governed by Dixmier-Douady characteristic classes in $H^3(X,\mathbb{Z})$. This is all discussed in Husemöller, Joachim, Jurco, Schottenloher &quot;Basic Bundle Theory and K-Cohomology Invariants&quot; (2008), more specifically in Chapter IV." CreationDate="2017-05-11T22:28:06.480" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="14373" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="@July   I sincerely thank you very much for this reference." CreationDate="2017-05-12T05:07:32.990" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14361" PostId="3245" Score="8" Text="Re: *Perhaps we should force a person to read the rules before posting the first question?* It might be worth mentioning that something like that is implemented [at math.SE](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21512#21721), [at SO](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/176849#176852) and probably some other sites. So it seems that Stack Exchange software has possibility to do this and I guess that this is done on individual sites on the requests of moderators/specific community. (In both cases, the &quot;How to ask?&quot; page is shown to new users.)" CreationDate="2017-05-07T10:41:12.327" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14363" PostId="3245" Score="2" Text="Thanks God, so far I have seen nothing illegal on our site. So it will be fine if we can continue without registration." CreationDate="2017-05-07T15:59:14.980" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="14364" PostId="3245" Score="0" Text="@AlexandreEremenko, don't be so sure.  &quot;European court says linking to illegal content is copyright infringement&quot;, especially by for-profit publishers, and StackOverflow is for profit.  http://searchengineland.com/european-court-says-linking-illegal-content-copyright-infringement-258442" CreationDate="2017-05-08T16:58:36.187" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="14365" PostId="3245" Score="1" Text="@Matt F.: Tanks for the warning. I will not link the illegal content to my q/a." CreationDate="2017-05-08T18:06:31.430" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="14367" PostId="3245" Score="1" Text="@MattF. I think that linking to copyrighted material is only tangential to this discussion which is about low-quality and off-topic posts. (At least that was my intention.) It seems that there were some discussions related to this both [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1165#1167) and [on tea](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/552/links-to-possibly-copyrighted-material/)." CreationDate="2017-05-09T14:30:00.883" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14368" PostId="3245" Score="0" Text="@AlexandreEremenko If you think that making some page automatically shown to new users might actually help, a reasonable first step towards getting this implemented would be making a feature request here on meta. (To me your suggestions seems reasonable and, as I mentioned in my first comment, it is already implemented on some sites.)" CreationDate="2017-05-09T14:35:19.327" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14391" PostId="3245" Score="0" Text="The questions has been around for two weeks, I do not expect much more views and votes to come. I accepted this answer since it seems to reflect position of the community - judging both from the voting and from the comments posted here." CreationDate="2017-05-21T04:27:21.173" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14900" PostId="3245" Score="0" Text="Some time has passed since this discussion - I have made a separate post on meta about the suggestion at the end of your answer: [Should users be shown some basic information before posting the first question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3386)" CreationDate="2017-09-16T11:15:44.460" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26331" PostId="3248" Score="0" Text="Here is a version of this SEDE query which is case insensitive: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1451220/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author-case-insensitive?word=proportionality" CreationDate="2021-08-24T06:27:43.517" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14379" PostId="3249" Score="1" Text="Presumably, the questions should be made to include links to each other." CreationDate="2017-05-16T15:33:36.320" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14388" PostId="3249" Score="1" Text="Even just links in the comments, this would make them appear under each others 'Linked' list, I believe." CreationDate="2017-05-18T20:44:52.947" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14375" PostId="3250" Score="0" Text="You can find links to some basic information in the [tag-info for the favorites tag](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/favorites/info). (BTW, this seems to be a suitable tag for your question.) In particular, this post is rather detailed: [How do favorite questions work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/53585) Perhaps also some older posts on this meta tagged ([meta-tag:favorites]) might be of interest in connection with your question." CreationDate="2017-05-16T10:09:21.587" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14376" PostId="3250" Score="0" Text="This discussion on meta.math.SE is somewhat related: [Would you ever favourite a question you down vote?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/12297) As you can see, several users have various reason why they mark question as favorite, not necessarily meaning that question is good. (Clicking on the star is perhaps closer to saying: &quot;I want to *follow* changes on this question: than to saying &quot;I think this is a nice question&quot;. Of course, the two often correlate.) However, MO and MU are two rather different sites, so not everything mentioned in the discussion I linked is necessarily valid here." CreationDate="2017-05-16T10:18:36.210" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14380" PostId="3250" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak: One aspect you apparently didn't mention is that while votes are private, favorites are public -- i.e. every user's list of favorite questions is visible to everybody." CreationDate="2017-05-16T16:41:44.787" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16978" PostId="3250" Score="0" Text="Another related post here on meta: [What is the role of star on the left-hand side of a question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2547)" CreationDate="2018-08-21T10:13:57.663" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14377" PostId="3251" Score="2" Text="I did my best to give some details which might be in the direction towards answering the question. I have to admit that the question is not entirely clear to me. In particular, I do not know what is meant by: &quot;It seems the OP can make this designation.&quot; (I'll mention that I am not a native English speaker, so maybe my lack of language skills might be source of misunderstanding.)" CreationDate="2017-05-16T11:02:02.107" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14378" PostId="3251" Score="2" Text="Thanks Martin. I guess I had incorrectly assumed that marking a question as favorite was intended to say it is a high quality question, whereas it's actually about following the thread." CreationDate="2017-05-16T14:42:35.443" UserId="11054" />
  <row Id="14488" PostId="3251" Score="0" Text="I did not wanted to bump the post again, but here is user who mentions that they favorited a question because they want to get back to it latter because it needs retagging: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243?m=18044058#18044058 So this would be yet another example: favoriting a question which needs retag, but it's not immediately clear what would be better tags or for some reason the retagging is postponed (for example, not enough time at the moment)." CreationDate="2017-06-15T04:41:10.350" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14381" PostId="3252" Score="8" Text="No, this would be off-topic." CreationDate="2017-05-16T18:52:36.050" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="14382" PostId="3252" Score="11" Text="However, if you have a *particular, concise, and self-contained question* (Is this known? Can you give a short proof of that lemma? Can you strengthen this statement to...?, etc.), there is a good chance you'll get a meaningful response. Just avoid vague open ended questions of the kind &quot;What do you think of ... in general?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-05-16T21:09:25.887" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="14387" PostId="3252" Score="5" Text="Also, the question asked here should be more-or-less self-contained. Motivations such as &quot;I want to prove [x] famous conjecture&quot; are vacuous, as we _all_ want to prove such conjectures, but are realistic about how likely that is." CreationDate="2017-05-18T20:43:52.657" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14392" PostId="3254" Score="0" Text="You can *see* any deleted question of yours provided you have a link to the question. Perhaps you should clarify in your post whether you are asking about displaying question you have link to, or whether you are asking about finding link to a deleted question. (As a side note, I think that ([meta-tag:deleted-questions] would be a suitable tag for your question. And if you are asking about ways to search for them, then probably also ([meta-tag:searching]).)" CreationDate="2017-05-22T14:31:13.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14393" PostId="3254" Score="4" Text="Some basic info on a ways to find your own deleted questions is summarized here: [Is there any way to see my deleted questions or answers?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/13948). (Unfortunately, some of the methods are only available to 10k+ users.)" CreationDate="2017-05-22T14:32:28.880" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14394" PostId="3255" Score="9" Text="That depends on the nature of the question, and to some extent on the user who is asking it. If they are someone who has earned some leeway (through real world reputation, or through activity on the site), I would imagine people could swallow that pill. If it is asked by a relatively new and unfamiliar face, it is likely to be met with more scrutiny. Nevertheless, there is no exact threshold to be crossed here, it's all very fuzzy, and is therefore often played by ear on a case to case basis with variables such as direction of the wind or alignment of Jupiter and Mars." CreationDate="2017-05-25T08:52:11.323" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14395" PostId="3255" Score="28" Text="The answer to the question asked is &quot;no, there doesn't seem to be a consensus on this.&quot; Personally, I believe that our standard should be that questioners have the sophistication of someone who is doing research in math as a whole -- so faculty or grad students from the 2nd year up or so -- not that they specifically are as knowledgeable in the area of the question as someone who is studying that area. I want to be able to come here and ask basic questions about differential geometry, logic and analysis when they come up in things I am thinking about." CreationDate="2017-05-25T13:54:11.393" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="14398" PostId="3255" Score="3" Text="I think how to deal with such questions depends mainly on how they are formulated (did the asker take the time to formulate a clear and concise question without a lot of grammar- or spelling mistakes?) and who has asked them (is it an anonymous user who has contributed only other poor questions or nothing so far, or is it rather a known colleague or an established user of the site?). The goal should be on the one hand to prevent abuse of the site, and on the other to make the site as useful to the community as possible." CreationDate="2017-05-25T16:48:35.707" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14400" PostId="3255" Score="2" Text="See also https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2399" CreationDate="2017-05-26T15:18:55.293" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="14401" PostId="3255" Score="1" Text="Thanks, @Neil, I was not attentive enough when looking for related questions, this one seems to subsume mine." CreationDate="2017-05-26T16:24:52.790" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14402" PostId="3255" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [early graduate level questions: MO or Math.SE?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2399/early-graduate-level-questions-mo-or-math-se)" CreationDate="2017-05-26T16:25:41.743" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14404" PostId="3255" Score="6" Text="I think that such questions are appropriate for MO if the relevant information can't be found online using the terms in the formulation of the question (sometimes things go under &quot;strange&quot; names) and/or if a random professional mathematician could not provide the information ad hoc (by random mathematician I mean someone capable of mathematical reasoning, but possibly from an unrelated field)" CreationDate="2017-05-27T07:20:57.567" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="14416" PostId="3255" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl I really don't like the idea of dealing with a question according to how established the asker is on MO.  E.g., people might have closed https://mathoverflow.net/q/38639/6518 if it were asked anonymously." CreationDate="2017-05-29T00:27:38.190" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="14417" PostId="3255" Score="3" Text="It may be defensible, but to me it feels a little weird to close this as a duplicate, as if the older thread has an answer and that settles the matter. MO is *still* evolving, and this is a topic we have to keep revisiting and asking each other about." CreationDate="2017-05-29T01:31:29.190" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14418" PostId="3255" Score="2" Text="@ManfredWeis Well formulated! This reminded me of [one of my own questions](https://mathoverflow.net/q/255673/41291) which is an example of that: I had hard time trying to identify a combinatorial object I encountered. It was immediately recognized by a specialist ([Pat Devlin](https://mathoverflow.net/users/22512/pat-devlin)) as certain kind of balanced code. The question currently has 25 upvotes (and Pat's answer has 37)." CreationDate="2017-05-29T06:54:25.077" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14420" PostId="3255" Score="0" Text="@Kimball: I think you are mixing here two different things -- asking a question anonymously and asking a question as a new user. -- In fact, when Bill Thurston asked the question you referred to, he was indeed a new user of MO." CreationDate="2017-05-29T09:32:26.883" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14425" PostId="3255" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl I may not have given an entirely appropriate example (but even though Thurston was a new user then, he was certainly known in the MO community).  What I was trying to say is I don't like treating a question differently according to what I know about the person asking as a matter of principle (which is not to say I don't), but rather the question should (in as much as possible) stand on its own.  (Users repeatedly misusing MO is a separate issue.)" CreationDate="2017-05-29T17:04:14.057" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="14426" PostId="3255" Score="12" Text="I don't think I'm contradicting anything that anybody has said in response to this question, but I think that an important and relevant point (that I think is sometimes overlooked by people downvoting or voting to close), is that how trivial a question is for an expert or near-expert is not necessarily a good measure of how off-topic it is. For example, I've answered several questions close to my field which have been very easy for me just because I'm familiar with relevant examples. But I thought they were on-topic because I wouldn't expect a non-expert to have the same arsenal of examples." CreationDate="2017-05-29T18:27:10.567" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="14427" PostId="3255" Score="1" Text="@DavidSpeyer  Thank  you and (+1) for your  comment. I think that  MO is  a  paradise of  math  democracy  and  openness." CreationDate="2017-05-29T19:45:15.903" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14428" PostId="3255" Score="1" Text="@JeremyRickard Thank  you  and (+1) for  your interesting  comment." CreationDate="2017-05-29T21:07:10.420" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14434" PostId="3255" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე  Because of  such type  of  conversation I did not ask this  question in MO  but  I asked in MSE.  I  do not  know  if  this  question appropriate  for  MO? I  do not know  if  this  question is trivial.  But  at  MSE there is  no pay  attention to  questions in comparision to  MO  pay  attention.  Do  you have  any  comment  on this  question.(BTW  +1  for  your  meta post)   https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2304015/a-vector-bundle-setting-of-a-weaker-version-of-the-borsuk-ulam-theorem" CreationDate="2017-05-31T11:51:47.483" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14546" PostId="3255" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Is it likely to be met with so much scrutiny that either the question changes, an incorrect answer, or a non-answer is accepted instead?  As independent events." CreationDate="2017-07-13T17:06:38.057" UserId="103517" />
  <row Id="14403" PostId="3257" Score="8" Text="The meta portion of the site is generally reserved for questions about the main site, MathOverflow, or the underlying Stack Exchange system. I cannot say whether or not this question would be well-received on the main site, but it is off-topic on meta." CreationDate="2017-05-27T06:18:20.870" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="14405" PostId="3257" Score="4" Text="You could instead convert it to a meta question: &quot;would the following question be acceptable on MathOverflow?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-05-27T10:37:13.447" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14413" PostId="3261" Score="1" Text="I think that silently changing e.g., **geometry** to **mg.metric geometry**---as you have been doing---is the best approach, i.e., no &quot;comment explaining why.&quot; I don't think that mindlessly removing a tag without replacement would be wise, which rules out an automated process. So I am inclined to the incremental-improvement approach." CreationDate="2017-05-28T12:52:42.323" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14414" PostId="3261" Score="0" Text="I was not really doing the tag edits *silently*. I always mentioned in edit summary that the tag is deprecated. (Well, it's possible that occasionally I've forgotten, but I definitely try to include that information most times. Occasionally I have even [asked in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2017/5/26) for an advice about appropriate tags.)" CreationDate="2017-05-28T13:16:42.517" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14415" PostId="3261" Score="0" Text="Yes, leaving a comment concerning your edit is appropriate, in the &quot;edit summary.&quot; But I think a comment to the post itself would be distracting; that's what I meant by &quot;silently.&quot; Sorry for not making the distinction." CreationDate="2017-05-28T13:55:43.523" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14408" PostId="3262" Score="0" Text="I tried &quot;how do i make a new unix user on my mac sierra&quot; as a web search and got what looked like a reasonable answer.  Gerhard &quot;Maybe It's Reasonable For You&quot; Paseman, 2017.05.27." CreationDate="2017-05-28T02:19:43.277" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14409" PostId="3262" Score="0" Text="new unix account (any Mac account is a unix account): System Preferences  &gt; Users &amp; Groups &gt; Click the lock to make changes &gt; Login as an administrator &gt; +" CreationDate="2017-05-28T04:01:29.663" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="14410" PostId="3262" Score="2" Text="Account continuity? Does that mean that the preimage of every open neighborhood of the user is an open neighborhood of the person behind the keyboard?" CreationDate="2017-05-28T05:00:48.767" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14411" PostId="3262" Score="1" Text="I think he means contiunity.  Sort of like a partition of unity, except he wants to preserve his conti across account breaks.  Gerhard &quot;Doesn't Suffer an Inedtity Crisis&quot; Paseman, 2017.05.27." CreationDate="2017-05-28T05:23:49.197" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14412" PostId="3262" Score="1" Text="@CarloBeenakker, you're wonderful! I followed your directions, it was smooth. If we ever meet, a coffee or beer is on me or both. (This is my second similar offering I've made in this thread; the first one was for Todd)." CreationDate="2017-05-28T05:25:48.180" UserId="110389" />
  <row Id="14406" PostId="3263" Score="3" Text="Todd, thank you for your answer. I am of such a low repute that I cannot upvote you. Thus, if we ever meet, a coffee or beer is on me or both." CreationDate="2017-05-27T22:20:00.460" UserId="110389" />
  <row Id="14407" PostId="3263" Score="3" Text="It's my pleasure to help in small ways, Włodzimierz. It would also be a pleasure to meet over drinks some day (something I feel towards many I know through MO)." CreationDate="2017-05-28T00:47:48.300" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14433" PostId="3265" Score="2" Text="Both (hadamard-product-of-series) and (hadamard-product-of-matrices) are longer that [25 character limit for tag names](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13270/how-many-words-can-a-tag-contain). (But they probably could be shortened in some reasonable way.)" CreationDate="2017-05-30T15:01:53.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14437" PostId="3265" Score="2" Text="The current situation is that there are 18 questions tagged ([tag:hadamard-product]). Only 4 of them have [neither linear-algebra nor matrices](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/hadamard-product+-linear-algebra+-matrices) tag. Of these four questions, two seem to be related to Riemann function, one is about matrices and one is probably tagged incorrectly. (No mention of Hadamard product, only of Hadamard space.)" CreationDate="2017-06-02T07:37:35.967" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14438" PostId="3266" Score="4" Text="If you don't mind false positives, I think it's easiest to just google for *site:mathoverflow.net X Y*." CreationDate="2017-06-04T07:22:01.623" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="18005" PostId="3267" Score="0" Text="Here is a related posts on Meta Stack Exchange: [How to search for questions and answers between two users?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/203179)" CreationDate="2018-12-20T16:05:55.937" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14454" PostId="3270" Score="1" Text="I agree wholeheartedly: this was always the aspect of MO that attracted me, rather than the encyclopaedic aspect (although I accept that other users may have different preferences and priorities)." CreationDate="2017-06-07T01:24:18.637" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="14453" PostId="3271" Score="0" Text="Assuming that by questions of &quot;extremely low quality&quot; you mean such which cannot be posted in good faith (like advertisements, crank posts, links to malware sites, pure nonsense character sequences), spam flags are the most efficient way to achieve quick deletion." CreationDate="2017-06-06T23:16:09.293" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14456" PostId="3271" Score="1" Text="Could you be more specific about what kind of flag you have in mind? IIRC if a user with [3k+ reputation](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/close-questions) *flags the question for closing* then actually no flag is generated and the flag is converted to vote to close. You can test it simply by checking that after such flag you will not see new flag in your flagging history, but you will see a new close vote in the votes tab in your profile. I can try to find a more official source for this if needed, at the moment I have [this answer](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21547#21548)." CreationDate="2017-06-07T06:41:14.203" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14457" PostId="3271" Score="1" Text="As a side note, it might be useful to add the tag ([meta-tag:flagging]) to your question - it could make easier to future users with the same question to find this discussion. Probably als ([meta-tag:vote-to-close]) might ba a suitable tag." CreationDate="2017-06-07T06:42:45.217" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14458" PostId="3271" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl I think *pure nonsense character sequences* should not be flagged as spam. Spam flags are also used as an input for improving algorithms to detect spam posts automatically, so it's good to use them only for posts wich *actually are spam*. As far as deletion of the post and penalty for users go, *rude or abusive* works the same as spam flag, but data from these flags are not used for detecting spam posts. For more details, see quid's and arjafi's answers here: [Should gibberish posts be flagged as abusive or just downvoted and deleted?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/25396)" CreationDate="2017-06-07T07:06:30.840" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14466" PostId="3271" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak:  Ah.  I think you've answered my question.  I  was thinking specifically about  questions of very low quality, which I vote to close and then sometimes also flag as &quot;very low quality&quot;.   If I understand you correctly, those flags are disappearing into the ether, because I've already voted to close.  And in that case, of course,  there's no point in flagging." CreationDate="2017-06-07T15:20:52.877" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="14471" PostId="3271" Score="1" Text="@StevenLandsburg Actually, I thought the your were asking about *should be closed* flags, not VLQ flags. So they actually do not disappear. But since they are handled in the review queue and not by the mods, this does not create additional workload for moderators. I tried to explain some details in the answer. (Although I have to admit I do not know that much about flagging-related stuff, which seems to have various minor nuances.)" CreationDate="2017-06-07T19:14:46.333" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14472" PostId="3276" Score="2" Text="Thanks.  I was in fact asking about VLQ flags.  So the question should have been:  For posts that are sufficiently low quality that they're likely to be closed in a hurry in any event, would other users prefer that I flag them as VLQ, or does that just clutter up the review queue?" CreationDate="2017-06-07T21:25:38.157" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="14475" PostId="3276" Score="1" Text="@StevenLandsburg If the question is changed like this, probably input from the users who are most active in reviewing would be a good thing. I've added some links to my post and read a bit more about review mechanisms. To me it seems that this does not add too much work to reviewers - as soon as the question is closed, it is removed from the review queue. Anyway, if your question has changed, perhaps it would make sense to edit the original post. (Other users are more likely to notice the change there rather than here in a comment.)" CreationDate="2017-06-08T04:21:19.200" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14476" PostId="3276" Score="0" Text="It is a separate question when a question should be flagged as *low quality* - when I read the guidelines above, it seems that this flag is for questions which are almost unreadable, not as an addition to every close vote. But this is probably for a longer discussion." CreationDate="2017-06-08T04:21:34.550" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14487" PostId="3280" Score="5" Text="Your question is open, and it got two upvotes and no downvote -- this clearly suggests that your question is not out of place. That you didn't get any answer or comment may have multiple reasons, one of them being that you didn't give a top-level tag and that the right people therefore didn't see it. What you can do is to edit your question (e.g. add a top-level tag, possibly improve the formulation etc.), or -- once you have gathered a few more points -- to start a bounty." CreationDate="2017-06-12T16:55:44.567" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14489" PostId="3281" Score="0" Text="Uhh, on MSE the disabled button says &quot;Flag Question&quot; (or Answer), rather than &quot;Retract Flag&quot;. But I agree that there is a fundamental difference. The retraction button should only be apparent when there is a flag to retract. Which is the situation on that MSE screenshot." CreationDate="2017-06-15T10:15:00.743" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14490" PostId="3281" Score="0" Text="I just now tested this on MO, when you flag something and load the flagging dialog again, you have the retraction button available. My guess is that you cannot retract a closure flag once it was halfway through the review queue or something. Which is why the button is disabled." CreationDate="2017-06-15T10:17:24.860" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14491" PostId="3281" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I'm pretty sure (from past experience on other sites) that the availability of the retract button just depends on whether the flag is 'waiting for review' or not." CreationDate="2017-06-15T11:16:38.210" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="14492" PostId="3281" Score="1" Text="The issue occurs on The Workplace as well, so I posted a question on the [main meta](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/297236/295232)." CreationDate="2017-06-16T09:30:58.620" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="14499" PostId="3281" Score="3" Text="This issue has been fixed. A fuller explanation can be found [on Meta Stack Exchange.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/297254/229714)" CreationDate="2017-06-16T15:43:11.843" UserId="86602" />
  <row Id="14514" PostId="3283" Score="0" Text="I assume that the existing ([meta-tag:sandbox]) here on meta do not fit what you are looking for...?" CreationDate="2017-06-20T08:33:41.667" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14515" PostId="3283" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I am sorry I do not quite understand what kind of sandbox is described in the link you give. If just write something on meta with tag &quot;sandbox&quot; I am afraid it will pop-up on every edit and I will annoy everybody ..." CreationDate="2017-06-20T08:38:02.473" UserId="10446" />
  <row Id="14516" PostId="3283" Score="0" Text="Well, if you read the description of [Formatting Sandbox](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/55), it was created with this in mind: &quot;The purpose of this thread is to enable people to check if their formatting works and to play around with their MathJax code.&quot;. I do not think the bumps are too annoying, since they are on meta (which is less visited) and people who do not want to see the bumped sandbox post can simply add (sandbox) tag to their ignored tags. (Probably MO regulars might chime in here, if I misrepresented the purpose and usage of the sandbox.)" CreationDate="2017-06-20T08:44:51.013" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14517" PostId="3283" Score="0" Text="I'll mention also that at math.SE we have [several sandboxes](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/sandbox), formatting sandbox is separate from sandbox for drafts. Still, this might be not what you are looking for, since it is expected that eventually you will clear the post and leave the blank answer for other users, so it cannot be really described as *personal* sandbox." CreationDate="2017-06-20T08:46:32.110" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14518" PostId="3283" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you very much for your comments ! Well, it is not quite what I want, but if there is no other way .... may be can try it ..." CreationDate="2017-06-20T08:48:20.207" UserId="10446" />
  <row Id="28135" PostId="3283" Score="1" Text="I will mention that a feature called [saves](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/saves/info) was implemented this year. Among other things, you can add a private note to a question. It's not optimal (no MarkDown, no MathJax, 500 character limit) - but in some situations, it could be useful. (Since you mentions &quot;too many stars over the year&quot;, I will add that now you can have several lists with various names.)" CreationDate="2022-12-20T05:19:58.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14519" PostId="3286" Score="4" Text="I lost a few unfinished long answers because I had to use the automatic save feature. It is extremely unreliable (though the devs staunchly refuse to acknowledge it and implement something more reliable, e.g. an explicit save button). I strongly advise not to depend on it with anything that you are not prepared to lose immediately." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:12:09.350" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14523" PostId="3288" Score="2" Text="Links to some basic info about migration can also be found in the [migration tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/migration/info) here on meta." CreationDate="2017-06-22T00:01:33.663" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25084" PostId="3289" Score="0" Text="It seems to me that we need to treat this kind of issue more seriously. For example, I have just seen [this](https://mathoverflow.net/q/384410/) closed question without explicit reference to the MSE (and a suggestion to add more thoughts, say)." CreationDate="2021-02-19T18:17:00.607" UserDisplayName="user20948" />
  <row Id="25085" PostId="3289" Score="0" Text="What do you mean, no explicit reference to MSE? It's there in the closure announcement. Perhaps you mean to change the message in that announcement?" CreationDate="2021-02-19T18:43:54.820" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="25086" PostId="3289" Score="0" Text="If I remember correctly, there was an option &quot;more appropriate for other sites like MSE&quot;. Now seemingly this disappears. Personally, I would guess that the current indication might confuse a new user, especially when there are mathematical comments left." CreationDate="2021-02-19T19:07:43.487" UserDisplayName="user20948" />
  <row Id="25087" PostId="3289" Score="0" Text="No, among community-based reasons, it's just this, or &quot;This question does not appear to be about research level mathematics within the scope defined in the help center&quot;, or a custom-built reason (user-specified). The other reasons to close are duplicate, needs clarity or focus, needs more details, and opinion-based. That's it. Might you be thinking of a different site?" CreationDate="2021-02-19T22:16:42.687" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14524" PostId="3290" Score="3" Text="You should probably include the device model, the OS version, and the versions of whatever you are using to (attempt to) view the question. Also, you may wish to tag this question with [meta-tag:bug]." CreationDate="2017-06-22T15:28:27.907" UserId="13653" />
  <row Id="14525" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="Luckily I don't have an iPhone. But Firefox on Android works just fine." CreationDate="2017-06-22T16:40:43.273" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14526" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="Did you try to clear the browser cache?" CreationDate="2017-06-22T22:34:50.390" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14527" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek :  I had not expected clearing the cache to work, because I'm getting the same behavior from multiple browsers.  But I just tried, so that I could report back to you --- and in fact, as expected, clearing the cache makes no difference." CreationDate="2017-06-23T00:59:40.177" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="14528" PostId="3292" Score="1" Text="Oh, yeah. I totally forgot about that." CreationDate="2017-06-27T15:04:59.687" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14529" PostId="3292" Score="4" Text="The possible suspect post was deleted on May 8. The tally is 4 upvotes, 4 downvotes." CreationDate="2017-06-27T15:17:56.190" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14530" PostId="3292" Score="2" Text="Thanks for your comment and the information about the votes @ToddTrimble. Since the post had score zero at the time of deletion, it is most likely not the post which caused this. So I have removed that part of my post." CreationDate="2017-06-27T15:48:32.263" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22079" PostId="3292" Score="0" Text="The question I linked in my post was deleted in the meantime = however, the information can be found, for example, here: [Does reputation change if an answer gets deleted due to deletion of original post by vote(s)?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31176)" CreationDate="2020-05-01T18:18:43.007" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14533" PostId="3293" Score="3" Text="Take Todd's advice. Or, accept the answer you like best. Or, flip two coins. Does it really matter?" CreationDate="2017-06-27T23:40:11.220" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14540" PostId="3293" Score="0" Text="@NoahaSchweber  Please see this related post https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1491/why-i-can-not-accept-two-answers-on-the-same-my-question-simultaneously" CreationDate="2017-07-03T08:49:21.493" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14541" PostId="3293" Score="0" Text="Just a terminological nitpick (which you are probably aware of, so more for the benefit for others.) As soon as the question has an upvoted answer, it is no longer &quot;unanswered&quot; in the terminology [commonly used on SE network](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/unanswered-questions/info). (For example, it will not be in the unanswered tab.) Of course, I agree that if there is an accepted answer, that makes indication that the question has been settled much clearer." CreationDate="2017-07-03T09:20:48.607" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14531" PostId="3294" Score="3" Text="As an example for a softer question, I suggest https://mathoverflow.net/a/31516 for a template .  There may be better examples which Todd and others may suggest. Gerhard &quot;Works From His Own Experience&quot; Paseman, 2017.06.27." CreationDate="2017-06-27T21:55:21.793" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14532" PostId="3294" Score="2" Text="The example I had in mind was https://mathoverflow.net/questions/15841/how-do-the-compact-hausdorff-topologies-sit-in-the-lattice-of-all-topologies-on" CreationDate="2017-06-27T22:01:45.670" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14535" PostId="3296" Score="2" Text="I see an issue with this for MathOverflow. Sometimes one is grappling with a specific situation and is looking for some or any thread to help unravel and understand it. The meta question is &quot;Help? Reference or Idea please?&quot;, and sometimes this is permissible. However, more experience allows one to specify the kinds of things that might help, and specifying these indicates that more thought has been put into the question. I think such advice as stated in your post is bad for this forum.  Gerhard &quot;It Suggests A False Optimum&quot; Paseman, 2017.07.02." CreationDate="2017-07-02T15:56:19.590" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14536" PostId="3297" Score="0" Text="&quot;I know there are tons of posts with someone seemingly naively conjecturing a proof to an open problem&quot; -- **citation needed**" CreationDate="2017-07-03T04:04:20.980" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="14537" PostId="3297" Score="0" Text="Thanks, and sorry about posting this here, I wasn't too sure.  Indeed, something like the link is exactly what I was hoping for." CreationDate="2017-07-03T04:23:38.377" UserId="105661" />
  <row Id="14542" PostId="3298" Score="5" Text="Some related discussions on meta.math.SE: [How to remove downvote after the grace period expired?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/22839) and [Is it alright to do an unnecessary edit so you can change your vote?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/19574) (Of course, MO and math.SE are two separate communities and the views on many issues can be rather different.)" CreationDate="2017-07-08T09:38:37.240" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14544" PostId="3301" Score="4" Text="Pages automatically inherited from the SE template of sites do not constitute as a policy around here." CreationDate="2017-07-11T05:18:04.160" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14545" PostId="3301" Score="10" Text="Your answer might be better received if, instead of invoking rules-based policy, you elaborated a bit on what makes &quot;middle names&quot; distracting and annoying to you.  I do not completely disagree with your preference, but the last time there was an extended discussion about taglines, there seemed to be a consensus for tolerance of unusual but mostly harmless behaviors." CreationDate="2017-07-11T14:12:58.147" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="15321" PostId="3301" Score="2" Text="@S.Carnahan, if we're not playing by the rules, it's not as much fun." CreationDate="2017-11-28T02:53:34.000" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="14547" PostId="3303" Score="4" Text="The fixed MathSciNet link works. I am guessing that for most libraries and e-resources this will be the case. The shorter link http://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=1735632 also works." CreationDate="2017-07-14T13:56:37.313" UserId="111804" />
  <row Id="14548" PostId="3303" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the link @T.Gunn. I was aware of links in this format and that even without MathSciNet access I can find such links through [MR lookup](http://www.ams.org/mrlookup). Based on the description in the post (&quot;MathSciNet indicates 123 citations for Habiro's fundamental paper...&quot;) I thought that the link is to some search which shows the citation for this paper." CreationDate="2017-07-14T14:11:14.547" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14549" PostId="3303" Score="0" Text="It seems like a search. But there is only the single paper. At the top of the page it says &quot;Publications results for &quot;Author=(Habiro) AND Title=(claspers)&quot; and then in the Citations box it lists 162 from references and 35 from reviews. I will also point out that you can see the id (1735632) at the end of both links." CreationDate="2017-07-14T14:15:35.123" UserId="111804" />
  <row Id="14550" PostId="3303" Score="5" Text="If the two links are indeed the same, the advantage of http://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=1735632 is that it is shown also to non-subscribers. (Although very probably with much less information, but at least I see the bibliographic data there.) The website provides this description: &quot;For users without a MathSciNet license , Relay Station allows linking from MR numbers in online mathematical literature directly to electronic journals and original articles. Subscribers receive the added value of full MathSciNet reviews.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-07-14T14:17:16.957" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14551" PostId="3303" Score="1" Text="Ok I think I see what's going on. When you search for &quot;Author=(Habiro) AND Title=(claspers)&quot; it gives you two papers: 1735632 and http://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=2329695. If you click on either of the papers it gives you a link with all the search data but only the single paper is visible on the page (the link in the answer). You can navigate between papers using the previous/next/up links (up brings you back to the search page). If you use the cleaned up link you can't navigate back to the search page but you still see the paper exactly the same." CreationDate="2017-07-14T14:23:10.153" UserId="111804" />
  <row Id="14556" PostId="3303" Score="0" Text="Ideally one could provide a second link, to the paper itself. If the purpose of the link is to provide proof of the number of citations, then one could format it as: MathSciNet indicates [link to MSN page] 123 citations to Habiro's fundamental paper [link to paper]." CreationDate="2017-07-16T01:34:32.087" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14559" PostId="3303" Score="0" Text="The comments seem to answer the question of whether this particular link works, but not of whether this is a reliable transformation, and I think that the only answer to that is:  maybe.  (For example, the UMichigan proxy has just switched to a slightly different style of link rewriting whereby, for example, link.springer.com becomes link-springer-com.proxy.lib.umich.edu :  still predictable, but not the same as the other scheme.)  Isn't there a way to do something like flag for moderator attention, and leave it to a moderator with MSN access?" CreationDate="2017-07-16T18:53:05.873" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14577" PostId="3303" Score="1" Text="Thanks for fixing my links! I try to remember to strip out the proxy, but obviously I don't always get it." CreationDate="2017-07-19T15:50:47.600" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="14578" PostId="3303" Score="1" Text="@DavidSpeyer I did not intend to single out your posts - I wanted to include some examples and it just so happens that the last two edits of this kind that I made were on your posts. (Obviously, after I found one post containing `proxy.lib.umich.edu` I [searched for other similar links](https://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=active&amp;q=url%3a*proxy.lib.umich.edu*)." CreationDate="2017-07-19T16:36:31.750" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14561" PostId="3307" Score="6" Text="Every question automatically generating a meta question sounds like a ***terrible*** idea. It sounds like a surefire recipe for clogging the meta from being actually useful. I'm not even sure why this would be even useful enough to merit being sure such a proposal was discussed before." CreationDate="2017-07-17T09:45:05.750" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14562" PostId="3307" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: thanks for the response. Now, especially since you summarize it so nicely, it clearly seems a thing to avoid. Re question (0): one apect of question (0) is: there obvioiusly is no problem if the MO thread somewhere says something clickable like &quot;this thread has grown its own meta.descendent [here]()&quot;; but, in situations where (0.0) there is no such comment, (0.1) one would like to discuss a thread on meta, what should one routinely do? In a sense, this question amounts to nothing more than &quot;Is absence of a meta-thread-here-_comment_ sufficient for absence of a meta-thread?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-07-17T11:02:50.387" UserId="108556" />
  <row Id="14563" PostId="3307" Score="3" Text="There is not *that* much activity on meta, and meta posts on specific question are usually posted within a few days of the question (afterwards the issues are already either resolved, or the question is closed). You are overthinking this." CreationDate="2017-07-17T13:02:23.647" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14568" PostId="3307" Score="0" Text="Brief summary of hints kindly given by the commenters and responders: (0) try the _serial number_ of a thread, (1) try searching for the title of the thread, together with &quot;site:meta.mathoverflow.net&quot; in a search engine, (2) when bringing up a thread in a meta.discussion, do not even name the _thread_, let alone a particular user, rather start by a precise yet general discussion of the _matter_ at hand." CreationDate="2017-07-18T04:29:35.083" UserId="108556" />
  <row Id="14569" PostId="3307" Score="1" Text="If a specific question on main has lead to starting to a discussion on meta, quite often somebody posts link to the met thread in the comments. (I mean, the comments on the main.)" CreationDate="2017-07-18T07:11:50.980" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14570" PostId="3307" Score="1" Text="This seems tangential to the question in the title, but could you clarify what you mean by: &quot;one should get *someone* to correct this comment&quot;? If a comment is rude or should be removed for some other reason, you should flag it. If you mean editing a comment, this can only be done by moderators (if the comment is more than 5 minutes old)." CreationDate="2017-07-18T07:14:28.980" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14571" PostId="3307" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: &quot;someone&quot; was used in reaction to thinking of the two alternatives (0) author of comment deletes and possibly corrects-and-reposts comment,which is possible even after the time-interval, (1) moderator deletes comment." CreationDate="2017-07-18T09:58:03.673" UserId="108556" />
  <row Id="14564" PostId="3308" Score="5" Text="The serial *number* of the question might be even better to identify the question; there is no way to avoid its occurrence in any link to the question, and, presumably, a meta post about a specific question *should* at least link to the question." CreationDate="2017-07-17T15:28:30.433" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14565" PostId="3309" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the constructive comments. Taking, for the sake of argument, the downvote seriously (which does not seem fair to me by the way), I feel inclined to _delete the question_, but there is a double bind: two answers have been given, with hints (e.g. &quot; title into your favorite search engine along with site:meta.mathoverflow.net&quot; and the _etiquette of not naming users in a meta discussion, at least not usually and initially_, hints which may be of use to others. So, it seems to me, deleting the question would destroy these hints. What would you do? Just leave it at that?" CreationDate="2017-07-17T18:20:46.183" UserId="108556" />
  <row Id="14566" PostId="3309" Score="0" Text="I would ignore the downvotes (none from me) and place faith in the intent of the question (On meta, downvotes have no effect on reputation and have in my view more correlation with popularity than with intrinsic value.)  Take note of the commentary and see about how to modify behaviour for the good of the forum.  A nice philosophy is to act as a policeman/mediator to encourage good behaviour rather than a vigilante to prosecute bad behaviour. I think keeping your question is fine. Gerhard &quot;Forum Is Like Raising Children&quot; Paseman, 2017.07.17." CreationDate="2017-07-17T18:49:37.797" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14572" PostId="3309" Score="1" Text="According to my understanding, downvotes on meta are supposed to signal &quot;I don't like the proposed change&quot; rather than &quot;this was a bad question&quot;.  So don't worry about them in this case." CreationDate="2017-07-18T21:08:33.183" UserId="468" />
  <row Id="14591" PostId="3311" Score="0" Text="Perhaps it is worth mentioning that edits to deleted answers [bumps a question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/bumping/info). (You can see that the question you answered is among recently active questions if you choose &quot;active&quot; tab rather than &quot;newest&quot; when viewing questions.)" CreationDate="2017-07-23T15:19:58.787" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14592" PostId="3311" Score="1" Text="Yes, please stop the edits, as requested by the moderators." CreationDate="2017-07-23T16:28:26.160" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="14593" PostId="3311" Score="0" Text="@AndrésE.Caicedo Ok. Perhaps. Can you tell me, what is not clear in my answer?" CreationDate="2017-07-23T16:55:56.410" UserDisplayName="user111966" />
  <row Id="14576" PostId="3312" Score="0" Text="If $\left \{ \emptyset \right \}\Leftrightarrow  \left \{ 0 \right \}$ (this is a consequence of Interpretability), then $\left \{ \emptyset \right \}\in  \left \{ 0 \right \}$ is true, because&#xA;$\left \{ \emptyset \right \}\Leftrightarrow  \left \{ 0 \right \}$ is equivalient to $\left \{ \emptyset \right \}=  \left \{ 0 \right \}$.&#xA;Only in the question it is a bit more complicated formulated. Is it relevant?" CreationDate="2017-07-19T15:11:06.973" UserDisplayName="user111966" />
  <row Id="14579" PostId="3312" Score="0" Text="It's pretty clear what I added?" CreationDate="2017-07-21T07:22:20.130" UserDisplayName="user111966" />
  <row Id="14581" PostId="3312" Score="0" Text="I and others saw that you added more text to the deleted post, yes. And that stuff has been flagged as well." CreationDate="2017-07-21T10:15:04.977" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14583" PostId="3312" Score="0" Text="I knowingly wrote a special case in the form of an answer. Is this case understandable? How do I ask this? Perhaps I need to describe in more detail what the notion of Interpretability. Can not this be understood? Or is the overall picture not visible, at least in particular?" CreationDate="2017-07-21T16:27:48.087" UserDisplayName="user111966" />
  <row Id="14585" PostId="3312" Score="6" Text="It's not understandable to me and it looks like gibberish. However, I do not call myself a logician. Please do not edit any further. If a logician or set theorist (with sufficient reputation to see the deleted answer) comes along and sees the point you are making and that it is relevant to the question of the OP, then we can reopen. However, professional logicians have so far informed me they consider your post as being without merit. This discussion should now end." CreationDate="2017-07-21T18:29:59.213" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14690" PostId="3314" Score="0" Text="The question can be deleted as I have figured the answer to my question as to why a refutation example would exist (for the criterion in question)." CreationDate="2017-08-02T22:11:15.843" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14760" PostId="3314" Score="0" Text="I think I didn't read original post carefully enough before editing. As I have understood now reading it more carefully, it seems that it is only required to mention the [re-opening] for a question at the start, but not necessarily a [deletion]. But I guess it doesn't matter much anyway." CreationDate="2017-08-16T03:43:10.150" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14580" PostId="3315" Score="2" Text="That's a good feature request, hopefully the fact there are several academic sites on the network will encourage the SE Overlords to implement it too." CreationDate="2017-07-21T08:43:01.860" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14582" PostId="3315" Score="0" Text="If it turns out that we like this suggestion here, then it should be posted for discussion on the &quot;big&quot; stackexahnge meta." CreationDate="2017-07-21T12:26:17.173" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="14587" PostId="3315" Score="2" Text="Probably diamond users know more about this, but I think that it is already possible to add warnings triggered by certain strings or to blacklist them entirely. For example, see the [list of blacklists and warnings on math.SE](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/21966/which-are-blacklisted-tags-and-blacklisted-phrases). However, if also rewrite of the link should be implemented, that would probably be a new feature." CreationDate="2017-07-22T04:22:53.590" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14584" PostId="3316" Score="1" Text="Just the present state: the question is closed, and there are 3 pending reopen votes and 2 pending delete votes. This means that if 2 more people vote to reopen, your question gets reopened -- but if it happens earlier that one more person votes to delete, your question gets deleted. Since there is no answer, the question will be deleted as well if the reopen votes are not cast within a week from now." CreationDate="2017-07-21T16:52:46.887" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14598" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl What is the time (number of days) since the original time of posting of a question that a question like this would remain in on-hold/closed state before getting deleted. If your mention of period of week was from the time of posting of (linked) question, then I guess you already answered my question. However, given your wording, I got the impression that perhaps this might not be the case (that is, you meant something different). A clarification would be helpful." CreationDate="2017-07-25T11:32:20.153" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14599" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="As far as I know, a question without answers gets auto-deleted 9 days after being put on hold. But given Todd Trimble's comment, this may be not relevant here (moderators can undelete and reopen, if they deem it appropriate)." CreationDate="2017-07-25T11:54:25.740" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14600" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="OK thanks. You have answered my question about the period/time (till deletion)." CreationDate="2017-07-25T12:43:36.560" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14618" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="Addendum: Editing a question apparently postpones autodeletion to a certain extent (but not beyond 30 days after the initial posting of the question) -- see [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/how-does-deleting-work-what-can-cause-a-post-to-be-deleted-and-what-does-that/5222#5222) for the exact criteria." CreationDate="2017-07-29T09:28:25.820" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14619" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="Well I definitely didn't know about this. Anyway, I don't have any intention of modifying my original post any further (unless there is an actual response, related to question, of some sort). I would recommend people who read the question to spend an hour or two trying to generate a counterexample. An example might be trying one of the simplest cases of two variables (for $\omega$ or little higher for example). I could describe my own similar attempt that doesn't succeed, but it would be more suited as an incomplete/partial answer rather than being posted in question." CreationDate="2017-07-29T10:38:24.370" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14673" PostId="3316" Score="4" Text="The place to ask whether a question is suitable for math.stackexchange is on *their* meta, not this one." CreationDate="2017-08-02T08:44:01.330" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14676" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="I was also trying to inquire where was the issue with question (why was it not deemed suitable for here). If the question is trivial then someone can explain a trivial counterexample. I have thought about it a fair bit, and I have not succeeded in generating any counterexample (mentioned in question) so far. What I can assure you is that it is a genuine question. If I had generated one myself successfully, I would never have posted the question here." CreationDate="2017-08-02T09:01:42.560" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14684" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="Thanks to everyone for responding. I think I have gotten an idea of where the problem should lie. When dealing with large enough ordinals, the &quot;timing criterion&quot; would suffer from the usual &quot;diagonalisation&quot; issue it seems (to create a problematic notation). It is likely that there is no easy fix for it. I was looking for issues at very small values (and that's why I didn't think of it earlier). While I have not fully ascertained it yet, it seems likely to be the case." CreationDate="2017-08-02T16:58:01.037" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14841" PostId="3316" Score="1" Text="Since the question [has been recently bumped](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/3316/revisions) anyway, I have added ([meta-tag:specific-question]) tag. See [the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/specific-question/info) for details about this tag and when it should be used. (Of course, if you think that the tag is not suitable here, feel free to revert my edit.)" CreationDate="2017-09-01T05:38:25.103" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14842" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="The problem was sort of resolved (as I mentioned in the comment just above there were some mistakes in formulation of original question). As I understand looking-up a bit, it seems that the bump is automatic (and perhaps would have been avoided if I had upvoted the answer). Anyway, this is the link to the modified version of question: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/279199/finite-number-of-registers-and-computable-well-orderings. I already posted this link in comments below the answer. Posting it here for visibility (since the thread has been bumped anyway)." CreationDate="2017-09-01T08:58:38.170" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14586" PostId="3317" Score="0" Text="It seems that some such requests have been posted [on the main site](https://www.google.com/search?q=looking+paper+site%3Amathoverflow.net) (built-in [search](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=looking+paper)) or [in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=paper&amp;room=9369) in the past." CreationDate="2017-07-22T03:53:59.227" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14588" PostId="3317" Score="0" Text="Here is somewhat related discussion on tea: [Is this question acceptable?: Electronic file request](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/775/electronic-file-request/)" CreationDate="2017-07-22T05:20:28.200" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14596" PostId="3317" Score="3" Text="Let me just add that Sci-Hub is not exactly legal (as distinct from being moral or not, which I will leave others to decide for themselves)." CreationDate="2017-07-24T04:19:48.837" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="15244" PostId="3317" Score="0" Text="Perhaps it is worth mentioning in connection with this that the tag ([tag:paper-request]) has been [created recently](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2017/11/12)." CreationDate="2017-11-12T07:50:05.383" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14595" PostId="3318" Score="2" Text="To be clear, I am OK with the occasional request appearing on either meta or MathOverflow, as I see less legal peril there.  It is when such requests are systematized that I think more caution is needed.  Gerhard &quot;Organize Your Mistakes By Type&quot; Paseman, 2017.07.23." CreationDate="2017-07-23T20:20:47.003" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14597" PostId="3318" Score="2" Text="Especially occasional requests for papers that are (in)famously hard to obtain. Merely not having a subscription is more of a job for #icanhazpdf or any number of non-MO channels." CreationDate="2017-07-24T04:22:22.997" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14589" PostId="3319" Score="7" Text="Indeed this is not a good example of what should happen.  However, the person who chooses to accept is the original question poster, and that person's choice should be respected.  The best you could do short of moderation is edit the question (and perhaps the accepted answer) to emphasize the quality of the non accepted answers.  However, choose the wording of the edits carefully to avoid the appearance of soliciting votes.  Gerhard &quot;This Posting Needs No Eidting&quot; Paseman, 2017.07.22." CreationDate="2017-07-22T23:13:31.023" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14590" PostId="3319" Score="8" Text="Gerhard's right. I'll say more strongly that the way the OP acted was in very bad taste (and in fact his answer is &quot;not an answer&quot;, as a recent flag puts it). However, the OP has not visited the site in almost 4 years, so the water has long passed under that bridge. Belated thanks to Joel and Emil for their nice answers, though." CreationDate="2017-07-22T23:30:31.657" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14594" PostId="3319" Score="4" Text="I just voted to delete the ersatz &quot;answer&quot; and encourage others to do so as well.  We can't accept one of the other answers, but we can at least get rid of the bad one." CreationDate="2017-07-23T18:35:56.240" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="14615" PostId="3319" Score="1" Text="Campaign successful – ersatz answer deleted." CreationDate="2017-07-28T05:00:15.090" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14616" PostId="3319" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson There should be a (pink) tag &quot;case closed&quot;, similarly to bugs :D" CreationDate="2017-07-28T05:03:15.713" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14625" PostId="3319" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე AFAIK tags such as ([meta-tag:status-completed]) can be added only by moderators (and other diamond-bearing users). Still, I am not sure to which extent such tag would be a good fit here." CreationDate="2017-07-30T13:16:29.657" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14626" PostId="3319" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes I agree. My comment was not entirely serious in fact." CreationDate="2017-07-30T13:17:25.750" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14601" PostId="3322" Score="3" Text="I guess this post could be considered as an answer to the title of this question, if one were to interpret it as _a request for apologies_ :)" CreationDate="2017-07-26T17:40:30.520" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="14602" PostId="3322" Score="0" Text="Why don't you just do them all in one go, if they anway need to be fixed? -- Is having once 64 posts bumped more of a nuisance than having 14 times 4 or 5 posts bumped?" CreationDate="2017-07-26T21:15:44.200" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14603" PostId="3322" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl I was intending to (roughly) follow the guideline in this post https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/604 ." CreationDate="2017-07-26T21:33:30.957" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="14604" PostId="3322" Score="0" Text="I'm still working on mine, a few per day. Kinda fun to revisit these old posts (and sometimes embarrassing)." CreationDate="2017-07-26T21:47:06.640" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14605" PostId="3322" Score="2" Text="@Stefan, yes, having 64 (which is all or nearly all) the current questions bumped off or nearly off the current list is more of a nuisance to readers.  I suppose four or five happening every twelve hours is still acceptable.  Gerhard &quot;Maybe More During Slow Periods&quot; Paseman, 2017.07.26" CreationDate="2017-07-26T22:24:34.300" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14721" PostId="3322" Score="2" Text="This is now done.  As it turns out, many of my posts had multiple images, so there were a lot fewer than 64 bumped posts (closer to 20)." CreationDate="2017-08-09T22:33:53.597" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="14606" PostId="3323" Score="4" Text="It depends on how you interpret that phrase. I guess it can also be understood as: &quot;The attention this question received was not sufficient to get an answer.&quot; (So in this sense, if a question does not have satisfactory answer, you might say that it did not receive enough attention.)" CreationDate="2017-07-27T10:01:03.187" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14607" PostId="3323" Score="0" Text="Fair enough; still, in my case, although it does not have any answer at all, and no comments in fact, I would say it indeed did receive enough attention judging from other feedback." CreationDate="2017-07-27T10:21:15.180" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14608" PostId="3323" Score="4" Text="I believe that whatever boilerplate the software produces, you can add your own text to the reason for offering the bounty." CreationDate="2017-07-27T12:50:48.217" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14609" PostId="3323" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson Thanks for the suggestion, just did it :D In fact yours may be considered an answer, it just did not occur to me that I could do that." CreationDate="2017-07-27T12:56:29.473" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14617" PostId="3324" Score="3" Text="I will add (as already mentioned before [in comments](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3303/correcting-links-with-university-proxy-especially-mathscinet-links#comment14550_3303)) that links of the form http://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=2329695 are visible for people without subscription too - but they are displayed differently for subscribers and non-subscribers. Of course, my question was mainly about links to searches - which are not accessible for non-subscribers at all." CreationDate="2017-07-29T04:57:11.173" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28580" PostId="3324" Score="1" Text="Update: Zentralblatt is now completely free." CreationDate="2023-05-19T20:07:16.327" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="14610" PostId="3325" Score="0" Text="In general, of course. -- But do you think this holds also for the particular case the question asks about?" CreationDate="2017-07-27T19:08:44.160" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14611" PostId="3325" Score="0" Text="@Stefan Kohl: In that question I see two answers with score 11, and none accepted. There is also a deleted answer." CreationDate="2017-07-27T21:26:35.530" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="14612" PostId="3325" Score="0" Text="The deleted answer was the accepted one -- that's what I mean." CreationDate="2017-07-27T21:38:27.180" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14613" PostId="3325" Score="0" Text="@Stefan Kohl: I am not in position to evaluate those answers because I am not an expert in the subject. But the case indeed seem strange." CreationDate="2017-07-27T21:39:39.903" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="14614" PostId="3326" Score="0" Text="How does this work – can a deleted question be reopened without first being undeleted? or does reopening automatically accomplish undeleting?" CreationDate="2017-07-28T04:57:55.810" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14620" PostId="3328" Score="0" Text="(1) It is the current situation that a closure is based on 5 non-anonymous closing votes. (2) The main technical implication of your vote is that you can't vote again to close it once reopened. Given these points, it would be absurd to be able to cancel a closing vote after closure." CreationDate="2017-07-30T11:59:34.190" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="14621" PostId="3328" Score="0" Text="@YCor Well this means the situation is even more strange than I anticipated" CreationDate="2017-07-30T12:18:50.353" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14622" PostId="3328" Score="0" Text="I certainly agree that the closing procedure is poor, but I think your point is somewhat a minor point, especially because normally the main reason invoked for closing is written with the names of the people who voted for this specific reason." CreationDate="2017-07-30T12:47:14.513" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="14623" PostId="3328" Score="4" Text="@YCor It actually happened several times that my name appeared on the list of close voters with the reason named being the one I did not vote for. I don't think it is appropriate." CreationDate="2017-07-30T12:52:50.393" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14624" PostId="3328" Score="2" Text="obviously it's not appropriate." CreationDate="2017-07-30T12:57:11.440" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="14627" PostId="3328" Score="3" Text="Close vote can be retracted if you do it *before* the question is closed: [Can we have the ability to retract a close vote before it closes?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/915) About your previous comment: When a question is closed as off-topic, users who voted to close are listed there along with the reason with most votes, but in a smaller list below only the users who voted for this particular reason are listed: [When is the list of the users who selected a close reason shown?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/188688)." CreationDate="2017-07-30T13:34:03.210" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14674" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the answer. But I don't agree with your viewpoint though. The question had gotten majority of downvotes mostly because I had posted the question via an external link. Before I edited the question to put it here, the question had already been closed (with heavy downvotes). After I edited to put it here, there have been two downvotes and an upvote. As for your comment about it being about computer science, one could ask generally, whether any question related to a transfinite program is computer science or math (most will agree it is closer to the latter)." CreationDate="2017-08-02T08:44:27.753" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14675" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="If the programs thing is confusing, simply think of finite number of variables that can only increase in certain way (apart from being brought to 0 immediately) and whose values on limits have three simple rules: (1)The variables increase continuously on limits (if no sequence of 0's). (2) If there is a sequence of 0's going into a limit set the value of variable as 0 on limit. (3)  If on a limit (say $p$) a value of variable also evaluates to $p$ it is turned to 0 by force (at $p$). This is also mentioned below the **timing crietion** heading. A single counterexample will answer question." CreationDate="2017-08-02T08:55:05.727" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14677" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="Ah, then delete this messy post. Write down what your problem is, write what you already know, then figure out what you are stuck with, condense that part and post it as a separate question. Dont give history/intentions/motivations etc. Just post the mathematical subproblem alone." CreationDate="2017-08-02T09:22:11.557" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="14678" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="The main reason for giving writing the whole post this way was to emphasize that I am fairly convinced that point-(1) of counterexample (just before the **Edit:** in my question) won't apply (this is not a trivial point though probably not that complicated either). That particular point is more easily understood using programs. Also when I described the two rules of evaluation of $Value_v(t)$ under the heading of **(A) Programs** those two rules are just more precise description of first two points in comment above." CreationDate="2017-08-02T09:41:12.543" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14679" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="Just  write only the core problem you want help with, in the main post. Write a good title for the question. and forget it until someone finds it interesting and comes back to you. Then you can/discuss with him/her in comments or in a chat room. This is how it works on this forum Don't assume everyone is interested in your problem to the extent you are. Don't try to teach everyone via your Question either." CreationDate="2017-08-02T09:47:39.317" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="14680" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="I certainly don't intend to &quot;teach&quot; anyone here heh (I am very far away from that point). The purpose was to make the question clearer. You are right about everything else. In hindsight, I probably should have written the shorter description first perhaps (but what I tried to mention is that a lot of points would still be duplicated in that). My main issue is just with close (which I feel is not justified unless someone proves that question is trivial with a silly counterexample). Because that would delete the question (and hence very few people would be able to see it)." CreationDate="2017-08-02T09:55:07.263" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14681" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="Post it as separate question. Delete the current one. Trust me its a mess." CreationDate="2017-08-02T09:58:21.950" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="14682" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="Regarding rest of your post, you have good points. I will consider them. I assumed chatrooms are only available beyond a certain reputation. Nevertheless, a link regarding how they work would be quite appreciated. Regarding re-posting of question, I think I will wait to see what mods have to say about that. I get your point." CreationDate="2017-08-02T09:58:48.987" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14700" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@SSequence : By 'teaching', i don't mean any preaching or argument or in any bad way. You are admittedly trying to educate the readers about some hunch you have (importantly you admittedly don't have proof), which is causing very bad experience for the readers as they are exposed to unproven opinion(however accurate it probably might turn out) even before they comprehend and digest the question, which is a bad way to present a mathematical piece of work. My advice is to write the problem in a crisp way without using too many adjectives or persuasion." CreationDate="2017-08-08T13:52:05.283" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="14701" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@SSequence :  Remember, the answer need to be persuasive but not the problem statement. For example of a crisp question (shameless self promotion though) see this one of mine : https://mathoverflow.net/q/273739/14414" CreationDate="2017-08-08T13:52:15.387" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="14702" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@SSequence : Well I just learnt that you posted it as a seperate question, which is resonably well recieved and has gotten a nice answer. Why not mention that here." CreationDate="2017-08-08T14:00:54.227" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="14703" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="Well the question I posted just few days ago is different from the  question in OP. I didn't write it explicitly, but if you read one of my comments (below the OP), I basically found the answer to my own question. Basically I could still make a sub-question out of the question in OP but I don't think it would be that interesting (but still difficult probably). The sub-question is much more specific/limited and I am not that interested in it for now (and anyway it might be better to post a sub-question like that on SE first anyway)." CreationDate="2017-08-08T14:48:46.243" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14704" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="I think there is a general issue with posting a question where you have to define (or make explicit) a number of basic notions. Because as the question gets longer, I think the reader starts to think whether reading such long explanations would be worth their time or not (excluding the case where the OP has high rep). And few negative votes are enough to create the perception that it isn't. That's just for longer questions though." CreationDate="2017-08-08T15:14:14.017" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14705" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="You got it. And number of edits makes it even worse. Btter to delete than be defensive" CreationDate="2017-08-08T15:36:07.507" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="14706" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="Thats what i meant by terminology in my answer." CreationDate="2017-08-08T15:36:44.253" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="14709" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="The problem in the OP is resolved. I was just adding an observation about longer questions (that might apply in some cases). If I hadn't thought of the answer to my question, obviously I would be thinking quite a bit as how to go about it (in terms of posting again or not). But since the question is resolved, there isn't any issue at all." CreationDate="2017-08-09T04:48:40.170" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14777" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="Since you were interested about this question last time .... I have essentially posted the question in OP by dividing it into two parts (and removing important issues). Perhaps you might have seen it but here is the link: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/279199/finite-number-of-registers-and-computable-well-orderings. Though it still might end up in a net negative score. Which isn't good because the main question in OP still remains unanswered (even the first half) and obviously no one is going to welcome the same question yet again." CreationDate="2017-08-22T11:00:00.847" UserId="112385" />
  <row Id="14691" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="That merger was done on December 15, 2014. We can't undo the merger but we could remove the tag synonym to allow future uses of [tag:combinatorial-geometry]. A test for doing this is to propose a tag info blurb which demonstrates how the two tags are different." CreationDate="2017-08-03T22:28:04.407" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="14692" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="@Francois So I should propose a tag info for [tag:combinatorial-geometry]? I would write something short and simple, like Combgeo. is the study of combinatorial problems that involve geometry. Btw, how can the description of [tag:discrete-geometry] include that &quot;It is closely related to [...] combinatorial geometry&quot; if the latter is a synonym of the former?" CreationDate="2017-08-04T08:47:59.897" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="15956" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure I can see a problem. For the distinction it's enough to use either the tag &quot;discrete-geometry&quot; or the combination of &quot;discrete-geometry&quot; and &quot;co.combinatorics&quot;." CreationDate="2018-02-18T19:27:45.550" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15963" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="@YCor Then this should have been done when the merger happened, right? Not to mention that I don't recall seeing anyone ever applying both tags. I also don't think it's good to make people double-tag almost all the time, because a large part (but not all) of discrete geometry is combinatorial geometry." CreationDate="2018-02-19T13:44:30.603" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="15964" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="@domotorp co.combinatorics is a top-level tag so basically every question pertaining to combinatorics gets this tags (unless it has comprises too many topics, but this concerns a very small minority). Usually when anybody ask such a question without tagging combinatorics, somebody adds the tag. As discrete-geometry, the topic makes the tag natural, and also it is regularly added. Adding another tag which basically is relevant iff two other wider tags are simultaneously relevant, would in practice just increase entropy." CreationDate="2018-02-19T14:26:50.613" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15965" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="@YCor I would challenge the statement that every question pertaining to combinatorics gets the tag. Check graph-theory; the majority of the questions doesn't have co-combinatorics: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/graph-theory" CreationDate="2018-02-19T21:48:45.723" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="15966" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="@domotorp some people say that every question in graph theory should also be tagged combinatorics. In any case, a very large majority of these questions would perfectly fit in co.combinatorics" CreationDate="2018-02-19T21:55:09.840" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15968" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="@YCor That's my point - people still don't label them co.combinatorics, so you also shouldn't expect people to label the ones that have combinatorial-geometry or discrete-geometry." CreationDate="2018-02-20T07:23:47.537" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="15969" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="I know it's hard to rely on a good labeling and acquainted users can help by editing tags. In any case, in such situation the entropy (I mean the mess) is an increasing function of the number of relevant tags." CreationDate="2018-02-20T15:45:06.820" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18468" PostId="3337" Score="2" Text="@YCor and domotorp: This is (to some extent) related to discussion about ([tag:graph-theory]) and ([tag:co.combinatorics]): [Which “non-arxiv” tags are de facto top-level tags?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3447) Of course, if we strictly follow the guidelines pointed out on MathOverflow Meta [every question should have a top-level tag](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1075/frequently-asked-questions-about-tagging-on-mathoverflow#1076) In reality, the top-level tag is missing on [roughly 20% of questions](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/49009859#49009859)." CreationDate="2019-02-28T05:31:28.210" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14697" PostId="3338" Score="3" Text="I've voted to undelete. In the question he links to a preprint of his in the General Mathematics section of the arXiv called &quot;A study of the Riemann zeta function&quot; and he has another preprint there called &quot;A study of Fermat's last theorem&quot;. Now, a brief look didn't suggest that either was crankery, but I can understand how people might jump to that conclusion." CreationDate="2017-08-07T12:38:05.023" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="14699" PostId="3338" Score="4" Text="About your update: &quot;The question was answered in the comments and I propose to keep it close but not to delete it.&quot; This is not really possible unless the question gains some upvotes. A question with negative score and no answer is deleted after 30 days - unless the mods lock the post. Some details are [listed in help](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba) and further details can be found in [the links listed here](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/tags/auto-delete/info)." CreationDate="2017-08-08T10:11:43.303" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14750" PostId="3338" Score="1" Text="@Martin, indeed, the question has been redeleted by &quot;Community&quot;." CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:35:15.017" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14717" PostId="3340" Score="0" Text="As I was not sure how to &quot;expand&quot; ([tag:combinatorial-hopf-algebr]), ([tag:differential-graded-lie-a]) and ([tag:infinite-time-computabili]), I'm leaving suggestions for this tag to users who are more familiar with these areas." CreationDate="2017-08-09T18:07:13.167" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14722" PostId="3340" Score="0" Text="In case it is useful for somebody, here is query for tags with [length at least 20](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/708458/tags-with-tagname-of-lenght-at-least?length=20). (Of course, you can easily change 20 and 25 to other numbers.)" CreationDate="2017-08-10T03:49:47.670" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14727" PostId="3340" Score="1" Text="We have a tag ([tag:cartesian-closed]). With a longer character limit, we could have ([tag:cartesian-closed-categories]). Was this the intended meaning of this tag? Or is *cartesian closed* commonly used also in some other meanings?" CreationDate="2017-08-12T04:57:22.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14886" PostId="3340" Score="3" Text="BTW (topological-quantum-field-theory) fits the new 35 characters limit. Would maybe a synonym ([tag:topological-quantum-field-theory]) $\to$ ([tag:tqft]) make sense. (It might help people to find the tag, if they start typing &quot;topological quantum field theory&quot; in the tags field when asking a question.)" CreationDate="2017-09-08T03:34:06.323" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18498" PostId="3340" Score="0" Text="Actually I think that [tag:gch] should be made a synonym to [tag:continuum-hypothesis], and the usage guidance the latter can obviously encompass the generalized one. And &quot;*people around here know what GCH is*&quot;: no, I know quite many people in pure math who would not identify &quot;GCH&quot; without further context." CreationDate="2019-03-04T21:52:18.433" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="14718" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="No. I only remember reading it in English in an anthology.  Is there not an online index to search in Russian?  Gerhard &quot;Surely There's One By Now?&quot; Paseman, 2017.08.09." CreationDate="2017-08-09T20:53:51.367" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14719" PostId="3341" Score="1" Text="At http://kvant.mccme.ru there is a Russian page which is an archive.  If you search for devil (the Russian word for it), you are likely to find it. Gerhard &quot;Assumes You Can Type Cyrillic&quot; Paseman, 2017.08.09." CreationDate="2017-08-09T21:04:35.740" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14720" PostId="3342" Score="0" Text="Yep, it seems like you've found it! Thanks a bunch for taking the time to track it down." CreationDate="2017-08-09T22:00:11.653" UserId="1593" />
  <row Id="14726" PostId="3343" Score="13" Text="Because MathOverflow is for questions and answers, not discussion.  However, a reasonable twist on this is the following. Ask question Q about specific point P in paper X on the MathOverflow forum.  Along with this, mention chatroom C where you are willing to hold a public discussion about X, emphasizing issues S.  Then those who care to discuss can join you in the chatroom.  Gerhard &quot;Slot A Into Tab B&quot; Paseman, 2017.08.11." CreationDate="2017-08-11T23:42:30.980" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14728" PostId="3343" Score="0" Text="Perhaps &quot;to discuss&quot; was not a right word. What I really mean is questions and answers. I don't like the chat room idea because it means every participant should be there at the same time. What I like about MO is that a question once asked and answered stays there forever, maybe to be read again after 5 years or so. In fact, what I am suggesting is not so different from what MO already provides. Maybe each paper would simply have several of &quot;Ask question Q about specific point P&quot; grouped together." CreationDate="2017-08-12T13:08:53.787" UserId="89514" />
  <row Id="14729" PostId="3343" Score="2" Text="If you suspect a gap in a proof, it's probably a good idea to e-mail the author as well.  If it's a point left to an exercise, there should be no problem asking it here." CreationDate="2017-08-12T14:22:57.297" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="14730" PostId="3343" Score="2" Text="While many chats are quick, chatrooms on Stackexchange have some longevity, and have archived transcripts, so in principle a delayed discussion can occur. Simultaneous presence is not required.  The single thread format seems more appropriate than QA format for your suggestion.  Gerhard &quot;Why Not Try It Out?&quot; Paseman, 2017.08.12." CreationDate="2017-08-12T16:52:43.157" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14734" PostId="3343" Score="0" Text="If I understand correctly - MO is supposed to be a virtual &quot;seminar room&quot; - and the kind of questions asked are questions fit to seminar setting. But the question itself is very interesting - maybe allocating some &quot;discussion room&quot; for specific questions \ discussions of this sort (&quot;virtual group reading&quot;?). Some papers really require a lot of processing - I as a reader would have loved to have such a resource." CreationDate="2017-08-13T06:02:44.540" UserId="112792" />
  <row Id="14736" PostId="3343" Score="0" Text="why not add a label &quot;discussion&quot; to questions that aim at clarifying hard to interpret passages of articles; or maybe even better add a label &quot;clarification&quot; in order not to arouse nervous MO users" CreationDate="2017-08-13T09:44:28.323" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="14764" PostId="3343" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman Perhaps in connection with the claim about *longevity* of chat rooms, we should mention that a chat room is [frozen after 7 or 14 days of inactivity](https://chat.stackexchange.com/faq#retention). (In fact, even the main MO chat room has been [frozen in the past](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2014/3/21).) It is still true that transcript is archived even for a frozen room. But it is no longer possible to post new messages until a moderator unfreezes the chat room again." CreationDate="2017-08-17T05:59:40.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14769" PostId="3343" Score="0" Text="I think the problem is to find number of people who can support such kind of discussion... We all  are busy, have different level of knowledge in narrow subject like a a particular paper, and so on an so forth" CreationDate="2017-08-19T12:43:30.283" UserId="10446" />
  <row Id="14731" PostId="3344" Score="6" Text="As you say, certainly asking occasional specific mathematical questions about particular papers on MO is no problem. -- But much more useful would be a searchable and editable database of comments and errata on papers, which would be something entirely different from MO. This could be a separate site or an extension of zbMATH / MathSciNet, or individual publishers could host the comments." CreationDate="2017-08-12T20:28:58.733" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14732" PostId="3344" Score="3" Text="Maybe adding a tag with the arXiv reference code for all the questions related to errata or filling in proofs in a particular book/paper?" CreationDate="2017-08-13T01:46:47.370" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="14733" PostId="3344" Score="1" Text="Kinda seems like a stretch though." CreationDate="2017-08-13T02:17:13.460" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="14735" PostId="3344" Score="0" Text="@HarryGindi Tags immediately leaped to my mind, too. It'd be greatly more useful (for search) if the description contained the paper's title and the arXiv abstract: there could be some kind of auto-importer that would fetch and update the description when the tag is created, but that is a bit of a stretch, as you say." CreationDate="2017-08-13T08:06:57.053" UserId="70848" />
  <row Id="14743" PostId="3344" Score="2" Text="MO posts that link to arxiv pages leave trackbacks, so if one clicks the &quot;__ blog links&quot; link on an arxiv page, e.g. any of the examples linked here https://arxiv.org/tb/recent , there is a complete (?) list of MO posts / comments that linked to it." CreationDate="2017-08-14T21:23:54.407" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="14759" PostId="3344" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl I'll add links to some older posts related to the issue raised in your comment: [Are there any good websites for hosting discussions of mathematical papers?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/51056), [Community Peer-Review in Mathoverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3088) and [Is there a good site for holding online discussions of scientific papers?](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/2385)." CreationDate="2017-08-16T00:04:43.950" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14748" PostId="3347" Score="1" Text="meta.SE: [Ordering of answers for a question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/127231) and [Accepted answer shouldn't be sorted to the top when sorting by Newest or Oldest](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/7792). BTW your question seems to me closer to ([meta-tag:support]) than to ([meta-tag:discussion]). (And I don't really see why it is tagged ([meta-tag:moderators]), but maybe I missed something.)" CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:08:15.447" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14749" PostId="3347" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Thank you  for  the  link. i remove  the  &quot;moderator&quot; tag." CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:23:27.197" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14747" PostId="3348" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer." CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:05:46.317" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14753" PostId="3349" Score="0" Text="Do you happen to have some [favorite tags](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/favorites/info)? Maybe what you see as &quot;pink&quot; questions which have favorite tags. (I believe this depends on the design/color scheme of the site. On [Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/) the questions in favorite tags are light blue." CreationDate="2017-08-15T15:27:36.550" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14761" PostId="3349" Score="7" Text="As with all such questions, a screenshot is worth the effort." CreationDate="2017-08-16T06:38:10.950" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14751" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="@Dorias  Thank you. But I found  a  non  deleted question with this  situation. I directly asked the moderator via  &quot;flag&quot; that  question." CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:44:14.430" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14752" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="Ali, I don't see what you are seeing. All I can think of is that it's an issue with your computer, and that maybe clearing the cache of your web browser might help (but I'm not the best person to dispense technical advice)." CreationDate="2017-08-15T14:38:16.467" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14754" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble  Thank  you. I will contact you if it is not solved." CreationDate="2017-08-15T15:29:59.993" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14755" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble (and François G. Dorais) My best guess is that this is highlighting of the questions in [favorite tags](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19173/what-do-favorite-tags-and-ignored-tags-do). Let's wait to see whether the OP confirms that this is what they have in mind." CreationDate="2017-08-15T15:33:12.450" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14756" PostId="3350" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak   Yes,Yes, Exactly. I went to my  preference I realized that the  pink question has  a tag in my &quot;favorite tags&quot;. I thank you and  all other moderators for  your  great activities in this  wonderful  site MO." CreationDate="2017-08-15T19:14:36.923" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14757" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble  My problem is  solved thanks." CreationDate="2017-08-15T19:16:25.943" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14758" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="@Dorias Now  my problem is  solved. thanks." CreationDate="2017-08-15T19:17:55.743" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="22403" PostId="3350" Score="1" Text="Deleted questions get a reddish background when you *view* them, but they do not appear at all on the *question list*." CreationDate="2020-07-02T17:01:36.713" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14762" PostId="3352" Score="2" Text="What you wrote works *in chat* but not in comments (on main and meta). Some basic information on notification in comments is linked in [comment-notification tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/comment-notification/info). You can find there link to [How do comment @replies work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/43019), which also contains section &quot;Can I notify more than one person at a time?&quot; with more detailed information." CreationDate="2017-08-16T18:33:53.683" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14763" PostId="3353" Score="0" Text="@Martin  Dear  Todd and  Martin  I thank you so much for your kindly answer and  comment." CreationDate="2017-08-16T18:45:08.097" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14765" PostId="3353" Score="2" Text="@AliTaghavi That doesn't work, because Martin did not participate on the comments for this answer, did not author the answer, did not edit the answer, and did not post the question." CreationDate="2017-08-18T03:22:30.493" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="14768" PostId="3353" Score="0" Text="@AndrésE.Caicedo  Ah yes I see thanks." CreationDate="2017-08-18T11:04:50.457" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="16649" PostId="3355" Score="0" Text="It is true that you can learn a lot of true facts about math from Wikipedia, but you can also learn a lot of false or misleading (non-)facts, and it is not easy for a non-expert to tell when this is happening." CreationDate="2018-07-07T20:10:40.357" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14770" PostId="3356" Score="4" Text="On meta Mathematics: [Number of people online](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/12374)." CreationDate="2017-08-20T14:36:11.417" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14771" PostId="3357" Score="0" Text="Very  great  information, Thanks." CreationDate="2017-08-21T09:06:07.730" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14772" PostId="3358" Score="0" Text="Answer to this meta.SE question might provide (at least partial) explanation: [“Have you considered accepting…” removed?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/166656) and you can also have a lok at [other posts linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/166656). (Or you can simply try to look at a few of results you get after putting [&quot;Have you considered accepting an answer or starting a bounty for this question&quot;](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Have+you+considered+accepting+an+answer+or+starting+a+bounty+for+this+question%22) into Google - which is what I did.)" CreationDate="2017-08-21T09:43:25.810" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14773" PostId="3359" Score="1" Text="Very  interesting. is it  about MO?" CreationDate="2017-08-21T12:39:10.423" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14774" PostId="3359" Score="2" Text="@AliTaghavi: Yes, this is MathOverflow specific data." CreationDate="2017-08-21T13:36:15.897" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14775" PostId="3359" Score="9" Text="I just noticed Stack Exchange says: &quot;Since this is a restricted privilege, we'd prefer you not share the raw data.&quot; Not sure if the snapshot violates this injunction." CreationDate="2017-08-21T13:38:37.603" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14776" PostId="3359" Score="4" Text="Perhaps the question [Mathematically interesting screensavers](https://mathoverflow.net/q/278247) has to do with the peak in August? It has over 20k view, it definitely appeared in the network-wide hot questions list and it was very probably shared on various websites. It was asked on August 8." CreationDate="2017-08-22T07:46:17.127" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14778" PostId="3359" Score="3" Text="@MartinSleziak: I think you have pinpointed it. 20k views---Wow! Likely May 14th was a similar highly popular post. I did a bit of searching without, however, hitting on such a post." CreationDate="2017-08-22T12:34:56.733" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14779" PostId="3359" Score="1" Text="When I try to see look at questions with high number of views [posted around that May 14](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=created%3A2017-05-13..2017-05-15+is%3Aq+views%3A1000), there is only one with more that 5k views: [Hironaka's proof of resolution of singularities in positive characteristics](https://mathoverflow.net/q/269651). This probably not enough to explain the difference." CreationDate="2017-08-22T12:43:33.600" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14782" PostId="3359" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: A mystery. Perhaps an old post resuscitated." CreationDate="2017-08-22T16:04:53.287" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14822" PostId="3359" Score="5" Text="Re: *Not sure if the snapshot violates this injunction.* I think that sharing a picture is rather different from *sharing the raw data*, so IMO this is perfectly fine. (I think I have seen similar screenshots before on the [main meta](http://images.google.com/images?q=analytics+site:meta.stackexchange.com) and [Mathematics meta](http://images.google.com/images?q=analytics+site:math.meta.stackexchange.com).)" CreationDate="2017-08-27T07:37:24.137" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14838" PostId="3359" Score="1" Text="I also find the periodicity very interesting. It seems that weekends really have lower views than weekdays. That seems to tell a pretty positive story about work–life balance." CreationDate="2017-08-30T23:36:35.417" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="14839" PostId="3359" Score="4" Text="@R.vanDobbendeBruyn: The weekly min is invariably Friday, but likely that includes part of Saturday in most parts of the world. Sunday-Wednesday are more or less constant. Thursday starts to drop toward the min, then Saturday sees a rise. Quite predictable. Mind you, this is a summer snapshot. When classes are in session there might be a slightly different pattern. My own usage is the inverse: I primarily only have time for MO on the weekends." CreationDate="2017-08-30T23:42:22.137" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14912" PostId="3359" Score="2" Text="Here are two snapshots from the Wayback Machine: [5/14](https://web.archive.org/web/20170514084044/https://mathoverflow.net/) and [5/15](https://web.archive.org/web/20170515091747/https://mathoverflow.net/). I see: &quot;A book you would like to write,&quot; &quot;Intuition behind harmonic analysis in number theory,&quot; and &quot;Solutions of the Continuum Hypothesis&quot; are questions with more than 1k views. Perhaps they all contributed to a spike in attention." CreationDate="2017-09-19T13:13:00.673" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="14913" PostId="3359" Score="0" Text="@Neal: Excellent! I think it was &quot;[Solutions of the Continuum Hypothesis](https://mathoverflow.net/q/23829/6094)&quot;: with ~100 votes." CreationDate="2017-09-19T13:44:15.740" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="22154" PostId="3360" Score="0" Text="This was also suggested by Federico Poloni in a [comment to another question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2791/what-lattices-do-we-need#comment12655_2791)." CreationDate="2020-05-11T00:14:21.607" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14790" PostId="3363" Score="10" Text="I really wish people would **link** to their concern on MO main rather than make others hunt it down. https://mathoverflow.net/questions/278720/can-only-the-constructible-sets-be-proven-to-exist-in-zf-without-benefit-of-ex" CreationDate="2017-08-24T16:30:53.580" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14791" PostId="3363" Score="0" Text="I guess this should be tagged ([meta-tag:specific-question]), see [the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/specific-question/info)." CreationDate="2017-08-24T16:35:50.787" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14792" PostId="3363" Score="2" Text="(Martin: maybe, but in the first place I am skeptical that this question is on-topic here.) Thomas, you need to ask them mathematical questions directly at the question, as opposed to raising charges of &quot;harassment&quot; here, and putting &quot;reviewers&quot; in inverted commas and other forms of rudeness. You are certainly free to edit the question yourself, if you determine from discussion there that you've committed conceptual errors." CreationDate="2017-08-24T16:42:33.133" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14793" PostId="3363" Score="1" Text="Thomas, in my previous comment I interpreted &quot;reviewers&quot; as people like Asaf and Noah (since you refer to reviewers who answered the questions in the manner they have). In other words, the reviewers here seem to be people who have honestly tried to engage with the question and give helpful feedback. They interpreted the question as best they could and tried to answer the question thus interpreted (Noah's seems very helpful to me, as he wrote down a formula for a set that ZF cannot prove is constructible.) If he didn't answer the question you meant, nothing stops you from further clarification." CreationDate="2017-08-25T12:14:34.197" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14794" PostId="3363" Score="1" Text="So, one suggestion is to engage Noah below his answer, if you consider his answer not to be relevant to the issues you raise. Actually I think his answer might be worth fleshing out (either publicly on MO or in the privacy of your room), because what one even means by $0^\sharp$ is somewhat subtle, due to Tarski's result on undefinability of truth." CreationDate="2017-08-25T13:30:26.503" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14795" PostId="3363" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble:  very helpful.  Thanks.  I will mention your observation in a comment to him (giving you due credit, of course)." CreationDate="2017-08-25T14:24:25.563" UserId="20597" />
  <row Id="14812" PostId="3363" Score="0" Text="Could you please clarify what do you mean by `That the 'reviewers' have answered the questions in the manner they have (for though ZF can possibly prove that there exist constructible sets, it cannot prove the existence (without extra axioms) the existence of non-constructible sets) makes it impossible to delete the question without possible penalty.`?" CreationDate="2017-08-26T11:56:00.613" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="14813" PostId="3363" Score="1" Text="(@მამუკაჯიბლაძე As a point of actual &quot;meta&quot;, the software prevents the OP from deleting his post because there are upvoted answers; this has nothing to do with the topic of his post of course. What I don't understand is what comes after that, where supposedly &quot;the situation [is] impossible to rectify&quot;. But it may be best to let tempers cool for a while.)" CreationDate="2017-08-26T13:32:59.083" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14797" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="Noah, you may be right about there being philosophical agenda getting in the way here. But speaking as someone outside set theory, I think also there was just some simple honest confusion, and some of the tone I saw seemed a tad impatient about the confusion (I felt this *personally* when I tried to ask a question at the thread). I would like to quote Bill Thurston here, from his MO profile (continued next comment)." CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:13:55.253" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14798" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="&quot;Mathematics is a process of staring hard enough with enough perseverence at at the fog of muddle and confusion to eventually break through to improved clarity. I'm happy when I can admit, at least to myself, that my thinking is muddled, and I try to overcome the embarrassment that I might reveal ignorance or confusion. &#xA;&#xA;Over the years, this has helped me develop clarity in some things, but I remain muddled in many others. &#xA;&#xA;I enjoy questions that seem honest, even when they admit or reveal confusion, in preference to questions that appear designed to project sophistication.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:14:05.343" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14799" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="Oh, yeah, let me add: +1. Thanks for your answer here." CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:20:25.803" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14800" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble &quot;I think also there was just some simple honest confusion, and some of the tone I saw seemed a tad impatient about the confusion (I felt this personally when I tried to ask a question at the thread).&quot; That is quite true and regrettable (especially the spillover to you). And I hope my own tone has been better. But at the same time, I stand by what I've said in my answer. In particular, I don't quite mean that there's a philosophical *agenda* here (although I do think there is); rather, the OP is interested more in doing philosophy than in understanding the mathematics here (cont'd)" CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:22:09.983" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="14801" PostId="3366" Score="1" Text="Or at least, that's what comes through based on their engagement in this question (and in others). The confusions the OP is having are meaningful ones (incidentally in response to your comment let me just point out that I have in fact answered a large number of the OP's questions in the past - I don't think it's fair to paint me as intolerant of confusion in general or of the OP in particular); what I object to in this question, and in some others, is the way in which the OP goes about trying to resolve those confusions or responds to them being pointed out. (cont'd)" CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:33:51.200" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="14802" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="(I'd like to clarify, by the way, that here I am criticizing the OP's question - I am **not** trying to defend the tone of all participants involved. I can be frustrated by multiple things at once.) This is a difficult sort of thing to say, since it really can't help but risk having a chilling effect, but I think it's important for the OP to hear. This is *not* to say, by the way, that philosophy-heavy questions don't have their place on this site; as long as they have sufficient math content, I think they do. But I also think that to ask such questions well, one has to have very solid basics." CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:40:15.753" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="14803" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. Actually, I didn't think of you as being intolerant here." CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:40:27.093" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14804" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="(cont'd) Specifically, it's easy for logic questions to be somewhat inherently subjective (and I've asked plenty myself with large subjective components), but then the appropriateness of such a question on mathoverflow depends in part on the OP's ability to engage the issue of what they really mean. This is really my problem here: my impression from this question and elsewhere is that the kinds of question the OP really wants to ask are not ones they are currently able to ask in a productive way, and that trying to do so is not helpful. As a specific example from this question: (cont'd)" CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:43:43.887" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="14805" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="Subquestion (ii) is a good example of this for me. I don't understand what the hereditarily finite sets have to do with anything, or what notion of predicativity the OP is using, or (and this is the important one) what criteria they are using to judge what the &quot;right&quot; powerset notion of a theory should be. There's a mass of mathematical and philosophical content implicit here, and before we can even get to *that* we need to address the OP's question (i), which already I don't think is a question they are ready to ask at the moment. Now on some level I think I do know what's being asked here -" CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:47:58.360" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="14806" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="that in some sense $\mathcal{P}_{def}$, or rather the appropriate iteration of $\mathcal{P}_{def}$, gives us a notion of powerset sufficient for ZF - but I'm not confident that that's what is really being asked, since that is a trivial consequence of the consistency of ZFC+V=L, which the OP knows. Or rather, they know the *statement* of that fact, but I don't know if they really understand what it means and I have no better sense now than I did before of what the OP does and does not understand. I bring up philosophy, but leaving that aside: I don't think this question can have a happy ending." CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:53:29.427" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="14807" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Wrapping up, I think my tldr response to your comment is: (i) I think the question is a bad one **both** because it is fundamentally unclear and because I don't think that in the near future it can receive an answer the OP will find satisfying. (ii) I regret the tone of the discussion at the question, which as you quite correctly pointed out is at points unconstructive. (iii) I think that the advice the OP should take to heart is structural: to reframe the focus of their future questions, and work to master the basics so that they can ask clear versions of the questions they want." CreationDate="2017-08-26T00:59:08.643" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="14808" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="I didn't get subquestion (ii) here either. But the question did have a happy ending in the small respect that I myself gained some understanding. :-) So extrapolating from that: it might be useful on occasion to think of addressing not just the OP directly but the community at large: what the issues seem to be, what the resolutions are. Speaking over the head of the OP to the crowd out there (to be polite to Thomas: not saying he's incapable of understanding, but rather that it's a community question). I get the sense this is what Joel David Hamkins is often doing: speaking to the community." CreationDate="2017-08-26T01:02:06.377" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14809" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="It's also a good classroom technique: taking what is sometimes a suboptimal question and finding a useful lesson to extract for the world at large. All that preaching aside: you could well be right about the general trend of the OP's questions, and I hope he will reflect on everything you've said. I think this has been in many ways a useful discussion, and I thank you (again) for your honesty and forthrightness." CreationDate="2017-08-26T01:05:46.887" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14810" PostId="3366" Score="2" Text="@NoahSchweber:  Thank you so much for your honesty and your answer--both very helpful." CreationDate="2017-08-26T01:10:00.483" UserId="20597" />
  <row Id="14815" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="I think there used to be Twitter bots on SE sites, but that was phased out a couple of years ago." CreationDate="2017-08-26T20:53:51.263" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14816" PostId="3367" Score="3" Text="One question is who would be responsible for tweeting out messages. I'd hate to be that person. Then again, I have a pronounced aversion to Twitter." CreationDate="2017-08-26T21:46:53.443" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14817" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="Somewhat related older post (now deleted): [Does MO have an official twitter account?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2946) The discussion under this question seems a bit related, too: [Why do we link to Twitter, Facebook or Google+ below every question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3095)" CreationDate="2017-08-26T21:48:46.420" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14818" PostId="3367" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Just out of curiosity, why so Twitter-averse?" CreationDate="2017-08-27T04:07:38.530" UserId="66774" />
  <row Id="14819" PostId="3367" Score="3" Text="Same reasons that just about anyone will tell you if they tell you why they dislike Twitter. This seems fairly representative: https://rcpmag.com/blogs/lee-pender/2011/03/five-reasons-i-hate-twitter.aspx But there is no shortage of people who will try to argue against such points, and I'm not much interested in going down that road, certainly not here." CreationDate="2017-08-27T04:57:46.227" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14820" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble Looking at twitter accounts of other SE sites (such as [math.SE](https://twitter.com/StackMath). [TeX.SE](https://twitter.com/stacktex), [academia.SE](https://twitter.com/stackacademia), ...) it seems that the questions are picked by an automated process, not by a specific person. &#xA;[This answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/272653#273666) summarizes what I know about the rules how they are chosen. (It is possible that more details can be found in [meta.SE questions tagged twitter](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/twitter).)" CreationDate="2017-08-27T06:00:56.903" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14821" PostId="3367" Score="0" Text="BTW in [site analytics](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics) it is possible to see traffic sources. (It is accessible only for users with sufficient reputation, so I do not see MO stats.) From this we could see how much traffic actually comes from twitter. On math.SE I see currently 3.4% for `t.co` (which, AFAIK means [links from Twitter](https://support.twitter.com/articles/109623))." CreationDate="2017-08-27T07:33:44.270" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14823" PostId="3367" Score="0" Text="There already is a mechanism provided by SE to select the &quot;top new questions this week,&quot; which get linked in the &quot;MathOverflow Weekly Newsletter.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-08-27T11:21:47.623" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14824" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Interesting, thanks. So the *writing* of the tweet is automated as well? Also it's probably good that the criterion is based more on bounties than on page views, although I'd imagine some human oversight might be desirable in any case." CreationDate="2017-08-27T12:15:25.627" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14827" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="If the choice of questions to tweet were based on hot network questions list, then questions containing MathJax in the title [would never appear there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/237475). Still, I guess it is possible to calculate for such questions [whether question is hot or not](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/11602) (they are just not picked in the networkwide list.)" CreationDate="2017-08-27T14:59:12.887" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14828" PostId="3367" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Gee, I didn't know that. I will use TeX in titles sparingly when possible. Thanks!" CreationDate="2017-08-27T15:00:39.633" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14829" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="Well, I guess that some users consider it an advantage if a question [does not appear in hot questions list](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/591#2895). My personal preference that if omitting LaTeX would lead to a less clear title, it's better to sacrifice the possibility to have a hot question than to sacrifice clarity of the title. (Anyway, it seems that we digressed from the original topic a bit.)" CreationDate="2017-08-27T15:06:18.820" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14830" PostId="3367" Score="2" Text="I think a Twitter presence would be very likely to attract a lot of low-quality posts and comments." CreationDate="2017-08-28T02:51:55.200" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="14831" PostId="3367" Score="2" Text="BTW if you search a bit [in Google](https://www.google.com/search?q=mathoverflow+site%3Atwitter.com) or [on Twitter](https://twitter.com/search?q=mathoverflow) or using [#mathoverflow](https://twitter.com/hashtag/mathoverflow) you can find some tweets MO-related tweets. In fact, JDH tweeted about [this meta question](https://twitter.com/JDHamkins/status/901644476850032645) (and it seems that [he has many tweets](https://twitter.com/JDHamkins/) related to MO posts.)" CreationDate="2017-08-28T05:59:56.440" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14832" PostId="3367" Score="2" Text="My experience is that there is an active community of knowledgeable mathematicians on twitter, and I expect that an MO twitter presence would be very welcome for them." CreationDate="2017-08-28T14:02:05.030" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="14833" PostId="3367" Score="3" Text="@StevenLandsburg I often share MO posts on twitter, which evidently produce traffic (frequently resulting in the announcer badge), but I haven't especially noticed low-quality answers or comments on those posts." CreationDate="2017-08-28T14:06:42.693" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="14834" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins :  Thanks.  Your experience trumps my speculation." CreationDate="2017-08-28T15:01:52.440" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="14835" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: Additional low-quality comments would be unlikely anyway, since commenting requires 50 points." CreationDate="2017-08-29T09:41:37.487" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14826" PostId="3368" Score="0" Text="i'll add that if the consensus is that ([tag:duality]) should be used for dual spaces, then perhaps creating a synonym (dual-spaces) $\to$ (duality) would be a reasonable thing to do. And the same thing applies if the consensus is that ([tag:dual-pairs]) is the tag which should be used for questions about dual spaces." CreationDate="2017-08-27T12:50:14.093" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14863" PostId="3369" Score="1" Text="This is probably the most useful public statement by SE about the official Twitter accounts: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/264548/151385" CreationDate="2017-09-04T08:49:56.807" UserDisplayName="user35354" />
  <row Id="14935" PostId="3369" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist Thanks for the comment - that's a useful link which explains the reason behind the decision to stop creating new twitter accounts. Especially this part is useful for somebody who considers creating something similar: &quot;Twitter-the-company started blocking new accounts for us (probably because it thinks we're bots?) and fighting that got too annoying and time-consuming.&quot; I have added this information to the post." CreationDate="2017-09-28T07:03:58.733" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14843" PostId="3372" Score="1" Text="How do you measure how interesting a problem is? -- Is it the total amount of monetary prizes one can win for a solution, the number of times it is mentioned in the literature, the number of papers which would be &quot;erased&quot; by solving it?" CreationDate="2017-09-01T20:01:12.993" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14844" PostId="3372" Score="2" Text="If such were the case, I think it would have shown up by now as a success story in another meta thread.  I think we have to wait longer to see the kind of behaviour you mention.  Gerhard &quot;Asked Several 'Not-Yet-Famous' Original Problems&quot; Paseman, 2017.09.01." CreationDate="2017-09-01T20:06:17.597" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14845" PostId="3372" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Ideally by expert opinion. For objective measure, I'm looking for literature mentions. For instance, people sometimes publish lists of open problems. If any MO-original problem showed up on one of those lists, that would count." CreationDate="2017-09-01T20:24:09.927" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="14846" PostId="3372" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl For your third measurement, there actually are some examples. There have been MO questions asked which motivated research, where the research only partially solved the problem. Hence these papers would be erased by a full solution. For your first measurement, I doubt there are any examples, but one could easily be created." CreationDate="2017-09-01T20:25:10.277" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="14847" PostId="3372" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman My thinking was that perhaps coming up with a new open question is not as big a &quot;success story&quot; as writing a paper, and so people might not have mentioned such a thing on that thread. But perhaps I am wrong. If so, maybe I should ask about questions which aren't yet famous, but their authors think should be famous." CreationDate="2017-09-01T20:31:46.700" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="14848" PostId="3372" Score="7" Text="@WillSawin: As to problems in published lists of open problems -- there are e.g. a couple of questions of mine in the [Kourovka Notebook](https://arxiv.org/abs/1401.0300) which I posed first on MO." CreationDate="2017-09-01T21:50:21.803" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14849" PostId="3372" Score="4" Text="I'll just add that &quot;another meta thread&quot; which @GerhardPaseman refers to in the above comment is (most likely) this one: [Best of MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/617). (Other questions which are [linked there](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/617) might be of interest, too.)" CreationDate="2017-09-02T06:07:14.677" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14850" PostId="3372" Score="5" Text="@StefanKohl Well that is the best example so far." CreationDate="2017-09-02T06:46:27.300" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="14851" PostId="3372" Score="2" Text="See also [MO-Hard Questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1820/6094)." CreationDate="2017-09-02T12:33:18.467" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14877" PostId="3372" Score="0" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic." CreationDate="2017-09-05T13:24:39.047" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="14891" PostId="3372" Score="25" Text="I'm voting to keep this question open as on-topic." CreationDate="2017-09-10T11:20:09.173" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="14880" PostId="3375" Score="0" Text="&quot;[Bendixson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivar_Otto_Bendixson)&quot;." CreationDate="2017-09-05T22:04:26.953" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14860" PostId="3377" Score="0" Text="If some people under 10k are curious what the question is about and cannot see it since it is currently deleted, I will mention that at the moment you can still see the question [in Google Cache](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://mathoverflow.net/questions/279453/in-a-metric-space-how-to-measure-the-diversity-of-a-set-of-points)." CreationDate="2017-09-03T09:22:28.457" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14861" PostId="3377" Score="1" Text="OP was able to clarify or engage while the question was closed (until it was deleted, but that was over a week later)." CreationDate="2017-09-03T11:09:53.493" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14862" PostId="3377" Score="0" Text="I'd vote to undelete and reopen if the OP states here the intention to edit and clarify the question. On the other hand, I don't think it makes sense to re-activate an abandoned question." CreationDate="2017-09-04T08:42:12.323" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14907" PostId="3377" Score="0" Text="I have [pinged the OP](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/221468/when-the-composition-of-two-ergodic-maps-is-ergodic#comment694070_221468) on another question. So maybe he will joint the discussion here and say whether the question is still of interest and whether they can add some further clarifications." CreationDate="2017-09-19T04:06:52.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14864" PostId="3378" Score="1" Text="The link seems to go to a review from Math Reviews, not to anything at MO." CreationDate="2017-09-04T22:14:06.230" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14865" PostId="3378" Score="0" Text="*Sigh* Thanks, Gerry. I'll see what happened and add the correct link back." CreationDate="2017-09-04T22:15:56.553" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="14866" PostId="3378" Score="3" Text="Do you have some tags among your [ignored tags](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/ignored-tags/info)? (Perhaps added by mistake.) &quot;Questions with these tags are then dimmed or removed entirely from question lists.&quot; (This depends on the user's preferences.) More details on this: [What do “favorite tags” and “ignored tags” do?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/19173)" CreationDate="2017-09-04T22:33:54.447" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14867" PostId="3378" Score="0" Text="@Martin That is probably it. Do you know how to see one's list of ignored tags? (Mine should be empty, but apparently is not.)" CreationDate="2017-09-04T22:37:34.843" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="14868" PostId="3378" Score="0" Text="(@Gerry The correct link has been added. Apologies for the original mix-up.)" CreationDate="2017-09-04T22:39:38.803" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="14869" PostId="3378" Score="0" Text="@AndrésE.Caicedo As explained in the above links, there are several places to see them. But the most accessible seems to be the list of ignored tags displayed in the sidebar on the right (when viewing [the list of questions](https://mathoverflow.net/questions)). I will add link to this question - not because it is related to yours, but mainly because it has a screenshot showing where the ignored tags are displayed: [Updating favorite/ignored tags on tagged questions page messes up formatting](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/116030)." CreationDate="2017-09-04T22:42:08.230" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14870" PostId="3378" Score="1" Text="@Martin Hmm. Yes, that's what was confusing me. My sidebar does not include ignored tags, so I figured I didn't have any. Why don't you post the comment as an answer? (Why I do not have the list of ignored tags displayed on the sidebar seems a different issue altogether.)" CreationDate="2017-09-04T22:51:03.290" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="14871" PostId="3378" Score="0" Text="(@Martin Thank you, by the way. It was maddening.)" CreationDate="2017-09-04T22:56:58.613" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="14872" PostId="3378" Score="0" Text="Strangely enough, ignored tags are shown (at least to me) only after I click on &quot;edit&quot; next to favorite tags. (Even after I add some tags.) I'll try to make some kind of answer. (BTW I'm glad to see that you come to meta at least occasionally.)" CreationDate="2017-09-04T22:58:08.163" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14874" PostId="3378" Score="0" Text="As a side note - I have edited the tags a bit, but I'll leave up to you whether or not to remove the tag ([meta-tag:bug])." CreationDate="2017-09-05T02:36:07.187" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14875" PostId="3378" Score="0" Text="@Martin I removed it. The ones you added make definitely more sense. Thanks again." CreationDate="2017-09-05T03:15:33.603" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="14873" PostId="3381" Score="0" Text="Thank you Martin!" CreationDate="2017-09-04T23:34:57.707" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="14881" PostId="3383" Score="5" Text="I had a somewhat similar occurrence (https://mathoverflow.net/q/155114).   I chose to put an edit at the beginning asking for the community to decide.  I think the connection (though wrong) is interesting and worth preserving, especially if you can return to it and show how it inspired later work.  Gerhard &quot;Good Mistakes Are Worth Keeping&quot; Paseman, 2017.09.06." CreationDate="2017-09-06T17:06:27.603" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="14882" PostId="3383" Score="1" Text="Good advice, @Gerhard ! Hmm, perhaps I can do some edit to make a lesson out of it. But still I'm rather tempted to take it away - I'll look at it again tomorrow." CreationDate="2017-09-06T17:23:47.633" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="14884" PostId="3383" Score="3" Text="When I am wondering whether I should delete a post of some kind, I add a comment saying &quot;Vote this comment up if I should delete.&quot; If it gets some votes, then I take that as evidence to delete." CreationDate="2017-09-07T12:08:05.320" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="14885" PostId="3383" Score="1" Text="@Joel - this is a very good suggestion, thank you for that idea" CreationDate="2017-09-07T12:42:53.473" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="14888" PostId="3383" Score="1" Text="Why not make it community wiki?" CreationDate="2017-09-08T19:25:08.747" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="14893" PostId="3383" Score="5" Text="Unless there's some hidden cost, I would suggest it's a community service to leave such questions available. They will likely occur to more than one person in the future -- better for the community to have &quot;it's trivial&quot; recorded as an answer with explanation." CreationDate="2017-09-10T17:20:50.763" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="14894" PostId="3383" Score="2" Text="Someone should make an answer out of these comments." CreationDate="2017-09-11T07:48:59.130" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="14901" PostId="3386" Score="4" Text="As to a proposal for such an info text, see [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2142/why-is-what-is-the-difference-between-mathoverflow-and-math-stackexchange-not/2143#2143)." CreationDate="2017-09-16T15:31:21.157" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14902" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="While there is a link to this answer on the help/on-topic page, https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/883 , I think including a link to it (or perhaps most of the advice) on a page shown to new askers would be a start in making it more prominent and accessible. If I remember correctly, this answer was the old MO 1.0 &quot;how to ask&quot; page and there was a link to it at the top of the site design." CreationDate="2017-09-16T18:56:34.180" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="14903" PostId="3386" Score="4" Text="@j.c.: I think Scott Morrison's text is much too long. To me it seems unlikely that many new users will bother to read it, regardless of how prominently it is displayed. Rather it would just be dismissed like the common lengthy *Terms of Service* of any other website. This already by native speakers of English, but even more of course by others." CreationDate="2017-09-16T21:50:55.760" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14904" PostId="3386" Score="15" Text="I'd remove the checkbox but ask them to answer 3 or 4 questions, e.g.: &quot;Is this homework?&quot; &quot;Is this research-level mathematics?&quot; &quot;Have you looked for an answer on Google or Wikipedia?&quot;  That way, if the list requires both a yes and a no as answers, they will at least end up reading all the questions." CreationDate="2017-09-17T14:06:01.643" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="14906" PostId="3386" Score="2" Text="@MattF., that seems like a great idea.  The only concern I'd raise is:  would the 'wrong' answer automatically trigger rejection of the post, or just a warning that it might not be appropriate?  If the latter, then people might just ignore it as they would ToS.  If the former, then good questions could be lost to people giving overly honest answers." CreationDate="2017-09-18T21:33:05.180" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14917" PostId="3386" Score="3" Text="@LSpice: If people give an honest answer *yes* to the question &quot;Is this homework?&quot;, then likely making this trigger rejection is the right thing to do. Though &quot;Is this research-level mathematics?&quot; is different in that mathematicians will likely often hesitate to claim *yes*, even for quite interesting questions. So it depends." CreationDate="2017-09-20T22:58:44.290" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14918" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, indeed, the latter is what I meant.  I have definitely seen questions that I thought were good, and that seemed well received, that the poster explicitly described as not research-level.  One of my [first questions](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/15645/non-affine-projective-vector-field-on-rn) was about an exercise in a text that arose in connection with an (undergraduate) course I was teaching; it is decidedly not research-level, but it seemed to provoke no dissatisfaction." CreationDate="2017-09-21T01:13:30.683" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="14919" PostId="3386" Score="2" Text="Shouldn't we have two answers for and against so that users can upvote at their discretion? I'd go ahead and do it, if not for slight fear of presumptuousness. Btw, I like this idea and would upvote a yes answer." CreationDate="2017-09-21T02:04:51.610" UserId="66774" />
  <row Id="14920" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="@LSpice At the moment, I do not have time to create a new account just to test this. But I think that the way it works on the site where this is implemented (like SO and math.SE) that this page is shown to users *before* they enter the first question. (I.e., a user clicks on the &quot;ask question&quot; button, they are shown the page with advice &quot;How to ask&quot;. If they still think the question belongs to the site, they check the checkbox and then proceed to writing the question.)" CreationDate="2017-09-21T03:58:09.110" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14927" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="I appreciate Stefan Kohl's point about the old advice page being long, though I still believe that it should be more accessible than it is now." CreationDate="2017-09-25T22:10:19.167" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="14928" PostId="3386" Score="4" Text="Here's an independent thought: perhaps we should suggest and link to math.SE on this &quot;basic information&quot; page, or even on the &quot;ask page&quot; for math questions that are not research level. It seems that some portion of the off-topic questions are asked by people who aren't aware of math.SE and there don't seem to be any suggestions about math.SE on the current ask page or on-topic pages. I vaguely remember that there was some discussion (here? or on tea?) about the appropriateness of directing askers to another site but I can't recall when it occurred." CreationDate="2017-09-25T22:11:18.247" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="14929" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="@silvascientist The faq page [What is &quot;meta&quot;?](https://mathoverflow.net/help/whats-meta) explicitly says: &quot;On posts tagged feature-request, voting indicates agreement or disagreement with the proposed change rather than just the quality or usefulness of the post itself.&quot; So voting on yes/no answer is precisely the same thing as upvoting/downvoting question (assuming that users actually vote according to this rule). Much better than simply posting yes/no answer would be posting an answer saying yes or no but explaining the reasons why the poster thinks that implementing this would be good/bad." CreationDate="2017-09-27T09:44:31.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14930" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="I would consider also answers pointing out how this suggestion can be improved as very useful - definitely more than answer simply saying yes or no. (For example, what should be added to &quot;How to ask&quot; if that is the page which will be shown. Or what are possible alternatives and why they are better. In fact, several of the comments posted so far could possibly be expanded to answers.)" CreationDate="2017-09-27T09:46:29.400" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15296" PostId="3386" Score="1" Text="There is also this older suggestion: [Explicitly pointing out math.stackexchange when (new?) users ask a question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/519), So maybe information about Mathematics StackExchange could be also included in the text displayed to the new users." CreationDate="2017-11-25T08:53:25.927" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16701" PostId="3386" Score="1" Text="In case somebody stumbles upon this post, it is probably worth mentioning that Todd Trimble [promised in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369?m=45398862#45398862) that moderators will look into this. (This comment is kind of &quot;status udpdate&quot;.)" CreationDate="2018-07-13T11:37:07.733" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20042" PostId="3386" Score="1" Text="When a similar feature was implement on ServerFault, Shog9 collected some stats on whether there was some visible change: [Should folks have to click through an interstitial page to ask questions on Server Fault?](https://meta.serverfault.com/q/5850#5867) I have asked about the same data on Mathematics: [How much did “advice for first-time askers” help?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/29630)  I'll mention it here when some actual data are available, some data excluding deleted posts have been posted in [this chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/91744/2019/3/30)." CreationDate="2019-05-15T04:47:26.383" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20358" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="I will add that [an answer by a community manager](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/29630/how-much-did-advice-for-first-time-askers-help/30378#30378) has been posted to the question on Mathematics Meta about stats connected with this change." CreationDate="2019-06-18T08:12:40.110" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21709" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="So it seems that `/questions/ask/advice` is no longer shown on any site. But the replacement is also customizable: [The new ask page is now live on the network!](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/344513)" CreationDate="2020-03-21T18:58:07.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24562" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="I have posted a new feature request here: [Customize the modal window for the first-time askers](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4806). It is not really a duplicate, but since this no longer can be used, I would suggest to close it as such." CreationDate="2021-01-11T09:46:47.690" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14922" PostId="3391" Score="1" Text="I've done such an edit, pointing to such an opinion-poll in a comment" CreationDate="2017-09-21T08:45:25.587" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="14921" PostId="3392" Score="1" Text="I've added such a comment." CreationDate="2017-09-21T08:44:35.987" UserId="7710" />
  <row Id="14910" PostId="3395" Score="3" Text="Is it this? https://mathoverflow.net/questions/273865/what-is-the-correct-definition-of-a-context-that-would-enable-the-axiom-of-induc It would have been better to give an idea of the question here, rather than have someone guess." CreationDate="2017-09-19T12:35:17.270" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14911" PostId="3395" Score="2" Text="Some advice from another meta: [Is there any way to see my deleted questions or answers?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/13948) (Although for users below 10k it's probably helpful mostly for recent questions.) And maybe also this: [Are there some possibillities for users below 10k to see deleted posts of other users?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/13328)" CreationDate="2017-09-19T12:44:39.400" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14914" PostId="3395" Score="0" Text="Todd, that is the question. Thank you." CreationDate="2017-09-19T13:46:19.977" UserId="9909" />
  <row Id="26769" PostId="3395" Score="1" Text="The Stack Exchange functionality was change recently (2022) - now any user can find list of all their deleted question through the profile. More details on this can be found here: [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254)" CreationDate="2022-01-12T16:18:16.180" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26770" PostId="3395" Score="3" Text="Does this answer your question? [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3254/can-i-somewhere-see-my-own-deleted-questions)" CreationDate="2022-01-12T16:18:32.070" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14916" PostId="3396" Score="3" Text="Thank you. I think you can delete this, though, since I now have your link to the original question in your comment." CreationDate="2017-09-19T13:48:47.543" UserId="9909" />
  <row Id="14924" PostId="3398" Score="1" Text="You're right -- the question is vastly improved from its initial formulation.  I voted to reopen." CreationDate="2017-09-21T23:00:40.767" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="14925" PostId="3398" Score="0" Text="Looking at the [timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/281512/timeline) I see that this question went through [the reopen review](https://mathoverflow.net/review/reopen/88254) with 3 votes to *leave closed*. However, it seems that some of the edits were made after the reviewers' votes. (Probably the OP is unaware that it is *the first edit* that pushes the question into the reopen review queue. Although I am not sure whether it made much difference in this specific case.)" CreationDate="2017-09-22T09:58:18.630" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14934" PostId="3399" Score="1" Text="[tag:convexity] is perplexing since it's almost a meta-tag. My preference would be to have these questions remapped to [tag:convex-analysis], [tag:convex-geometry], and similar. However, this seems very implausible at the moment." CreationDate="2017-09-27T23:58:37.353" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18437" PostId="3399" Score="1" Text="Now there is a separate post about several tags related to convexity: [On convexity tags](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4132)." CreationDate="2019-02-23T12:22:22.293" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14932" PostId="3400" Score="0" Text="Somewhat related: On Mathematics site there is [computer-algebra-systems tag](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/computer-algebra-systems). Would perhaps such tag useful on MO, too? (There is ([tag:computer-algebra]) tag - which seems to have slightly different meaning and used; at least judging by the name and the tag-info.)" CreationDate="2017-09-27T10:15:07.467" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14933" PostId="3400" Score="1" Text="By the way, it's better to have separate cas tags (e.g. [tag:gap], [tag:sage], [tag:coq]) so that software developers can be easily alerted when new questions arise." CreationDate="2017-09-27T23:56:02.297" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="14936" PostId="3400" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais About your coq example - here is some [related conversation with quid](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/about-coq-tag). My opinion is that it's ideal to include both the more specific tag ([tag:coq]) and the more general tag ([tag:proof-assistants]). The more specific tag helps better searching while the more general one has more followers, so it improves the chance that the question is seen." CreationDate="2017-09-28T15:52:52.947" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14949" PostId="3403" Score="13" Text="There should perhaps be a way to let the original poster review the edit, instead of leaving this to random reviewers." CreationDate="2017-10-01T22:54:08.843" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="15053" PostId="3403" Score="1" Text="@darijgrinberg In fact, the OP has always the final decision. As mentioned in [this faq post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/76251): &quot;The owner of a post or a moderator may cast a binding vote to accept or reject any modification of their post.&quot; In fact, if reviewers have already approved/rejected suggested edit, the OP can still change this decision: [Could authors overturn recent community review decisions?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/178340)" CreationDate="2017-10-12T05:23:14.160" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15054" PostId="3403" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I believe your comment qualifies as an acceptable answer. At least most likely I would accept it if no other answers would oppose it." CreationDate="2017-10-12T09:21:42.123" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15253" PostId="3403" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, the OP can always reverse an edit. But it would help to provide a means of submitting edits for the OP’s approval without making them public first." CreationDate="2017-11-14T19:28:37.530" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="15254" PostId="3403" Score="1" Text="@MattF. If I understand your comment correctly, it is along the lines of this feature request: [Allow users who suggest an edit to choose that only the OP can approve/reject the edit](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/215975). (Currently at score $-12$.)" CreationDate="2017-11-14T19:41:58.703" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15255" PostId="3403" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, you understand me correctly — and I think that proposal would get a higher score here at MathOverflow Meta." CreationDate="2017-11-14T19:57:24.690" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26488" PostId="3404" Score="0" Text="What is the rationale for &quot;10k+ requirement&quot;? Why exactly 10k+? (and not, for example, 1k+)?" CreationDate="2021-10-14T20:34:38.970" UserId="412181" />
  <row Id="26489" PostId="3404" Score="0" Text="@pmor That would probably be a question for [meta.se] - and I would not be surprised if you find there some discussions related to this. I managed to find this post on [math.meta.se]: [Why only 10k+ rep users can see all the deleted questions/answers?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/23068)" CreationDate="2021-10-14T20:48:34.213" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18532" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="Now Taras Banakh made a separate question about this topic: [Creating tag “small-uncountable-cardinals”](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4154)." CreationDate="2019-03-12T12:13:33.993" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14944" PostId="3406" Score="4" Text="Based on what's written here, it seems that ownership of post is changed only in serious circumstances: [Change ownership of a post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/283039) and [Move post to different user](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/290225). Of course, there is also option to make a new post and ask moderators for merging. (That would preserve the comments, but not the votes. Still, before doing that it would be better to know what moderators think about this.)" CreationDate="2017-10-01T00:45:14.797" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14945" PostId="3406" Score="4" Text="To the best of my knowledge, site moderators do not have the ability to perform an action which meets all these conditions. I would suggest writing a letter to Community Management (see the 'contact us' when you scroll to the bottom of the page) and explain the situation, pointing them to this post. (If a CM sees this comment: the OP here is a trusted user.)" CreationDate="2017-10-01T03:00:15.233" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14960" PostId="3406" Score="3" Text="Alternatively, because the question does not yet have an upvoted answer, you could simply delete it and then re-ask it with the other account. You would of course lose the 8 upvotes, and you would have to manually copy the information from the comments. The &quot;meta&quot; effect should make up for lost votes." CreationDate="2017-10-03T00:34:44.987" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="14961" PostId="3406" Score="0" Text="@jeq This is too simple solution (with the lost of 8 upvotes)." CreationDate="2017-10-03T08:28:45.553" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="17486" PostId="3406" Score="0" Text="I suppose the reason you want to change the owner *in this specific case* is that there is a separate user for Lviv Scottish Book problems and you would like to have list of questions from Lviv Scottish Book visible somewhere in this user's profile. If some of those questions were posted by different users, a simple way to create such list would be using [the favorites tab](https://mathoverflow.net/users/105651/lviv-scottish-book?tab=favorites) of this user." CreationDate="2018-10-29T04:35:27.883" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14946" PostId="3407" Score="1" Text="Maybe not one's raw score, but if one is quite active then one's reputation (irl) can be bolstered. It is also an example of service to the community when answering a lot of questions. There may indeed be curmudgeonly type who think being on MO is a waste of time, but I have no explicit examples." CreationDate="2017-10-01T07:17:33.613" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="14947" PostId="3407" Score="2" Text="A quite reputable user of this site mentioned in [this discussion](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/663#678) that his MO involvement was mentioned in his tenure dossier. (But I assume that it's mentioned in the category of *other activities*, other stuff is probably more important.) Maybe he will comment also here - since he has personal experience with this. Possibility of relevance of MO score was also mentioned in this discussion: [What is the Real Use of Reputation?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3609#3610) (Again, you should recognize username if you visit this site often.)" CreationDate="2017-10-01T08:42:35.600" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14948" PostId="3407" Score="6" Text="And also some comments on [the question on the main site](https://mathoverflow.net/q/282419) - where this was posted originally, but was quickly closed - are interesting." CreationDate="2017-10-01T09:31:41.733" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14962" PostId="3407" Score="1" Text="Do we want users coming here, not because they are interested in participating, but as a chore they have to do in order to get a good university position?" CreationDate="2017-10-04T11:59:28.700" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="14963" PostId="3407" Score="8" Text="@GeraldEdgar:  No, we don't, any more than we want people writing research papers as a chore they have to do in order to get a good position.  But we _do_ want people who contribute to mathematics research to be rewarded, whether through papers or in this way.  &#xA;&#xA;I do see your concern:  If MO reputation becomes another &quot;box&quot; people have to check for tenure, people will start doing more MO for the wrong reason.  But how different would it be?  The allure of &quot;reputation points&quot; in social media is already strong, and maybe that is already a motivation beyond the pure love of mathematics.  :)" CreationDate="2017-10-04T13:57:21.020" UserId="5519" />
  <row Id="14986" PostId="3409" Score="3" Text="Exactly so. One's MO score is never going to substitute for these other more standard metrics, but it's nice when putting forth a candidate to also be able to say &quot;...and as further evidence of their willing service to the community and ability to elucidate mathematics, check out this amazing MO score&quot;." CreationDate="2017-10-08T17:32:51.013" UserId="391" />
  <row Id="14987" PostId="3409" Score="11" Text="We do get some PhD applicants from e.g. Kurdistan whose grades and recommendations are very hard to calibrate.  For such a candidate, a rich Mathoverflow record might be informative.  But I have not yet seen a case of that type." CreationDate="2017-10-08T19:06:43.070" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="14988" PostId="3409" Score="6" Text="I agree that it is unlikely to be the main factor, I think it can make a difference in getting your application noticed if someone knows you on MO, in the same way that knowing people from conferences, etc can make a difference." CreationDate="2017-10-09T00:29:40.370" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="14950" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="I am using the recent Firefox, and for me no comment text and no [Add Comment] button appears to be overflowing. Additionally, it seems that for me more characters fit into one line -- e.g. I see the first line break in the comment you give as an example after &quot;thread.&quot;. All text is well within the green box. When I click [Add a comment|, the line break moves after the &quot;At&quot;, but still nothing traverses the right side of the green box." CreationDate="2017-10-02T09:35:55.700" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14951" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="Interesting. Thanks. Do you happen to have Chrome or Chromium installed for testing? I will try Firefox on my end as well." CreationDate="2017-10-02T09:36:56.883" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14952" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="No, I have no other browser installed for testing." CreationDate="2017-10-02T09:37:43.810" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14953" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="In Firefox, also the font used for the comments looks a tiny bit different." CreationDate="2017-10-02T09:39:16.260" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14954" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="There is usually some difference between browsers. I posted a screenshot with my Firefox." CreationDate="2017-10-02T09:39:52.403" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14955" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="Your Firefox screenshot is almost exactly what I see (up to the &quot;to&quot; in your comment, which I see on the next line)." CreationDate="2017-10-02T09:43:19.587" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14956" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="So the separating lines *are* overflowing? And the text does reach too close to the edge of the colored region?" CreationDate="2017-10-02T09:44:09.813" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14957" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="Yes, the text reaches quite close to the edge of the colored region. It would look better if it woudn't, but is it a bug? Which separating lines do you mean?" CreationDate="2017-10-02T09:59:04.597" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14958" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="There are horizontal lines between different comments. I mean those." CreationDate="2017-10-02T10:29:35.763" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="14964" PostId="3413" Score="9" Text="The problem is that you have spent almost all of your points on bounties, and basically only the association bonus remains. -- Given your observation, it seems that for some reason the association bonus is what remains last." CreationDate="2017-10-05T19:46:48.753" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14965" PostId="3413" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks for your explanation." CreationDate="2017-10-05T20:47:29.583" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14972" PostId="3413" Score="5" Text="meta.SE: [Why is the Association Bonus ignored when trying to answer a protected question?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/170937) and [Improve “Protected Question” message with regard to rep gained through Association Bonus](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/210481). The linked threads support explanation. @StefanKohl Perhaps you could expand your comment to an answer. (Feel free to include the links I posted - if you consider them a useful addition to what you said.)" CreationDate="2017-10-06T06:05:43.560" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14973" PostId="3413" Score="0" Text="Now I happened to find this, which seems as a duplicate (or at least very close): [Trouble understanding criterion to answer protected question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1120)." CreationDate="2017-10-06T06:06:58.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14975" PostId="3413" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl  Now my problem is solved and I post my answer there." CreationDate="2017-10-06T09:24:16.800" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14976" PostId="3413" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Thanks for your comments and the links. Now My problem is solved.I post my question." CreationDate="2017-10-06T09:25:37.567" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14977" PostId="3413" Score="0" Text="I correct: I post my answer." CreationDate="2017-10-06T11:50:33.023" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="14979" PostId="3413" Score="4" Text="Finally, I found this post on meta.SE, which is probably the closest to your problem (it explicitly mentions connection with bounties): [Stack Exchange doesn't allow me to answer protected questions because I gave away earned rep in bounties](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/231498)." CreationDate="2017-10-06T14:18:24.500" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15092" PostId="3413" Score="0" Text="At some point in time, I was trusted on stack exchange sites I never joined before after which every time I joined a new stack exchange site, I got 100 reputation points on that site. Some questions say, &quot;In order to answer this question, you must have earned 10 points on this site. The association bonus doesn't count,&quot; so when I go to a question with that box on a site that I got 100 points on as soon as I joined but didn't earn 10 points in that site, I can't answer that question." CreationDate="2017-10-15T00:02:13.853" UserId="99494" />
  <row Id="14966" PostId="3414" Score="1" Text="Many users do not disclose their location..." CreationDate="2017-10-05T20:55:17.697" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="14967" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="Some probably do obscure their IP numbers. But many?" CreationDate="2017-10-05T22:22:10.343" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="14970" PostId="3414" Score="6" Text="IP address history is commonly considered &quot;personal information&quot;, so (as far as I know) it is not accessible to user-level tools." CreationDate="2017-10-06T05:55:28.940" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="14971" PostId="3414" Score="2" Text="meta.SE: [Finding Top Users by country](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/207650). It is possible to get something from SEDE, but among the results you get only users who disclosed their location in the profile. You can look at some of the existing queries [here](https://www.google.com/search?q=country+top+users+site%3Adata.stackexchange.com) or [here](https://www.google.com/search?q=top+users+from+site%3Adata.stackexchange.com)." CreationDate="2017-10-06T06:01:51.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14974" PostId="3414" Score="2" Text="BTW there are also a few queries which attempt to find [users from Ukraine](https://www.google.com/search?q=users+ukraine+site%3Adata.stackexchange.com). For example, [User List: Top N - Ukraine- with false positive exclusions](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/157038/user-list-top-n-ukraine-with-false-positive-exclusions?Top=50)." CreationDate="2017-10-06T06:46:40.473" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20594" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="Now I noticed a related older discussion on this site: [Geographic distribution of people on MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2100)." CreationDate="2019-07-21T05:32:10.537" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25647" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="1. Define &quot;from a given country&quot;. How should we consider a user native from Taiwan, who works in a university in Crimea and is posting an answer from a French IP address because he happens to be there? 2. What is your goal? Why would you like to have this list (so that we can be sure this is not an XY question)?" CreationDate="2021-04-23T12:34:32.570" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="14978" PostId="3415" Score="5" Text="If the counterexample answers the question you first asked, you should accept it and then open a new post to ask your follow-up question. Editing the question to ask a different question is no fair to the user who took the time and energy to answer your question." CreationDate="2017-10-06T12:40:23.717" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="14984" PostId="3418" Score="9" Text="As the proposed questions do not concern math research, they would probably fit better on math.stackexchange.com than on MO." CreationDate="2017-10-08T11:39:01.790" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="14985" PostId="3418" Score="1" Text="The term in the literature for your collection of lines is an *arrangement of lines*. I do not recall your particular question being addressed." CreationDate="2017-10-08T13:32:27.630" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14989" PostId="3418" Score="1" Text="What kind of problems are considered as research problems? Problems that are interesting and hard?" CreationDate="2017-10-09T03:23:04.160" UserId="115637" />
  <row Id="14990" PostId="3418" Score="12" Text="Roughly, problems which are interesting for mathematicians. That the problems are hard is neither necessary nor sufficient. In case of doubt, just post your question. And bear in mind that how people interact with you may also depend e.g. on whether you ask your question as user143870 or under your name." CreationDate="2017-10-09T09:15:45.587" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15060" PostId="3418" Score="3" Text="As @StefanKohl says, it is definitely a &quot;show of good faith&quot; to ask questions under one's own name, and maintain a registered user status, rather than flitting-in under a different unregistered user name various days. Having an established user-name, and a history of seriousness, greatly helps one's credibility, and, thus, the seriousness of responses you'll get." CreationDate="2017-10-14T00:23:57.943" UserId="15629" />
  <row Id="15090" PostId="3418" Score="1" Text="@HaoranChen, my experience from being on this forum as not mathematicion is that &quot;research problems&quot; are neither interesting nor hard. The &quot;research problems&quot; are such problems which are currently hot topics on agenda of working mathematicians. You do not guess it by your own. Be prepared that when you ask the question which just come to your mind by curiosity, they will be closed here. They might be hard and interesting :)" CreationDate="2017-10-17T12:09:54.850" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="15221" PostId="3418" Score="0" Text="@MarekMitros, you are right, and they will be closed here :) unless someone, yes, someone finds them useful and he has the power to make them hot..." CreationDate="2017-11-04T14:20:22.257" UserId="115637" />
  <row Id="15256" PostId="3418" Score="1" Text="@MarekMitros We make of MO just what *we* make of it. What you describe is an observable phenomenon, but the opposite tendency is also clearly present. So, all I can say to the OP is &quot;use common sense when asking, you are judged by your common sense and taste in your questions more than by anything else.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-11-15T14:58:15.143" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="14997" PostId="3419" Score="0" Text="Thank you. Indeed it works (somehow) but requires the knowledge of a programming language to create a specific data base query. Fortunately, this has been done by somebody else. I would be desirable to have such search by pressing the button &quot;Users&quot; in MO and selecting the country somewhere." CreationDate="2017-10-10T05:41:35.423" UserId="105651" />
  <row Id="15000" PostId="3419" Score="0" Text="If you want to see something like that implemented, upvoting [the feature request on meta.SE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/1031) is a reasonable thing to do. (Although personally I do not see this as something very likely.) As I mentioned, my post was an attempt to address the support-part of your question (rather than the feature request)." CreationDate="2017-10-10T15:23:24.930" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="14992" PostId="3421" Score="4" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/301832/image-uploads-not-working-imgur-rejecting-request-on-multiple-sites" CreationDate="2017-10-09T16:04:45.517" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="14995" PostId="3421" Score="0" Text="After more than 2 hrs, I was able to upload images. ([Posting](https://mathoverflow.net/q/283093/6094).)" CreationDate="2017-10-09T18:40:20.430" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="14998" PostId="3421" Score="0" Text="Yesterday I had the same error message containing 'imgur', while working on a very long answer; I don't know what the reason is, bt *eventually I attributed it simply to having gone over the character limit*, i.e., my interpretation was that it had nothing to do with the properties of the image proper. Looking at the *post you cite*, of couse, it seems that for your problem this is not the reason. So my interpretation of the error message might be fallacious." CreationDate="2017-10-10T13:40:36.167" UserId="108556" />
  <row Id="14999" PostId="3421" Score="0" Text="And I did a similar thing like you describe: compressing an image more and more (I think I tried four times) to smaller and smaller file sizes, yet this did not help with the imgur error message." CreationDate="2017-10-10T13:42:39.860" UserId="108556" />
  <row Id="15001" PostId="3421" Score="1" Text="@PeterHeinig: It had nothing to do with the size of a post or of an image. See Emil J's link for resolution (but no real explanation)." CreationDate="2017-10-10T22:37:52.900" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="15047" PostId="3427" Score="0" Text="I see, thanks. So to have something like this for MO requires substantial work, or maybe it is not even clear how to do it?" CreationDate="2017-10-11T14:30:18.813" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15050" PostId="3427" Score="0" Text="I'm confused by your question. We _already_ have this for MathOverflow, so no, it won't take substantial work (it's already been done), and we know how to do it. Do you mean generating trackbacks for some other pair of sites than MO-&gt;arXiv?" CreationDate="2017-10-11T21:59:56.230" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15052" PostId="3427" Score="1" Text="Sorry seems like I failed to formulate it clearly. I meant trackbacks (anything)-&gt;MO." CreationDate="2017-10-12T04:10:42.053" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15048" PostId="3428" Score="5" Text="(1) You can always ask a moderator to migrate a question manually, to any site. (2) The number of possible migration targets is severely limited (4? IIRC). Thus, it only makes sense to set this up for sites where there is demand for a steady flow of migrated questions. If I didn’t miss anything, according to https://mathoverflow.net/tools/posts/migrated/away , the number of questions migrated to physics.SE in the last two years is: **0**." CreationDate="2017-10-11T15:19:35.797" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="15049" PostId="3428" Score="1" Text="All right, I do not have access to that page, but if it is indeed zero that does not seem necessary, even if I would have wanted to suggest this several times in the past year. I guess I'll stick to manual flags in such cases for now..." CreationDate="2017-10-11T15:29:56.943" UserId="45956" />
  <row Id="15160" PostId="3428" Score="2" Text="@JulesLamers Yeah, usually the case for a new migration target starts with a steady stream of questions being flagged for migration to that site. (FWIW I did some checking on the Physics end and found three migrations from MO since May 2012.)" CreationDate="2017-10-26T03:32:34.523" UserId="64281" />
  <row Id="15329" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="To add to Emil Jeřábek's comment the number of migration paths is at most 4 other sites + 1 spot additional spot for meta (which is always present). See [this comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/141/what-outgoing-migration-paths-should-we-have/244#comment814_244) and this meta.SE post: [More options when flagging for migration](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/96205#96345)." CreationDate="2017-11-30T05:47:44.223" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15056" PostId="3430" Score="2" Text="Looking at [highly upvoted closed questions](https://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=votes&amp;q=closed%3a1) it seems that in the past it happened quite frequently that question was closed several months after being asked. (I assume that somebody a bit of spare time and sufficient SQL skills would be able to find more detailed stats from data explorer, but even by simply checking the linked search results one can find examples where this period was longer than one year.)" CreationDate="2017-10-13T12:13:14.930" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15057" PostId="3430" Score="4" Text="I don't think it normally makes much sense to close old, answered questions -- unless as &quot;no longer relevant&quot;, but that close reason doesn't exist any more. In my opinion, &quot;no longer relevant&quot; should be the only possible close reason for old questions." CreationDate="2017-10-13T12:23:24.347" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15058" PostId="3430" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak: Many of these were closed in the MO 1.0 era when historical locks were not available." CreationDate="2017-10-13T16:50:06.670" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="15059" PostId="3430" Score="2" Text="As @FrançoisG.Dorais points out, closing might have changed a bit after joining SE. So here is [the same search query](https://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=votes&amp;q=created%3a2013-07-01..%20closed%3a1) restricted to posts made after joining SE. (I.e., list of closed questions posted since July 2013.) I do not know whether it is possible to search for questions closed after a certain date. (I think that this can probably done only via SEDE.) Randomly checking a few posts from the linked list, the interval between posting and closure seems to be much much shorter." CreationDate="2017-10-13T17:08:00.913" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15061" PostId="3430" Score="2" Text="I have seen the same phenomenon and FWIW I agree (in most of these cases) with Neil. Quite a few of these might, if asked *now*, be more appropriate for academia.SE, but they were asked long before that site got off the ground" CreationDate="2017-10-14T19:32:02.967" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="15107" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="This older discussion seems (at least to some extent) related: [Should there be a “statute of limitations” for closable questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2140)" CreationDate="2017-10-19T07:36:10.760" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15117" PostId="3430" Score="2" Text="I note that some people now seem to be flagging old questions, which would be off-topic if they were asked now, for **deletion**. This seems to me even more drastic, and I'd welcome people's thoughts or justifications (one way or the other). Is this a case for reviving tea.mathoverflow?" CreationDate="2017-10-22T17:26:57.910" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="15118" PostId="3430" Score="2" Text="Cases in point: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/17763/how-does-math-relate-to-programming and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/251035/in-what-sense-are-foundations-of-mathematics-a-safety-net-for-mathematics" CreationDate="2017-10-22T17:29:23.977" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="15119" PostId="3430" Score="1" Text="And what about these delete votes? https://mathoverflow.net/a/270997/22277 https://mathoverflow.net/a/278505/22277" CreationDate="2017-10-22T18:22:20.857" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15120" PostId="3430" Score="1" Text="@JosephVanName I can't vote to cancel delete votes cast by other people. In any case, this meta.MO question is about action on &quot;very old questions&quot; to use Neil's words, even if my recent comments may concern some newer questions" CreationDate="2017-10-22T21:17:25.320" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="15121" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="@Yemon Choi. I really do not get what point if any you are attempting to articulate." CreationDate="2017-10-22T21:24:55.127" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15122" PostId="3430" Score="1" Text="@JosephVanName My apologies for any confusion on my part. I brought up the issue of people voting to delete old questions that would now be probably off-topic, since it seemed relevant to Neil Strickland's original question. Your comment asks about some other unfair/unjustified delete votes on your own answers. It's not clear to me why you brought this up as a comment on this particular meta.MO question" CreationDate="2017-10-22T21:29:22.330" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="15123" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="My point is that people upvote, downvote, close vote, and delete vote on MO for nonsensical and emotionally charged reasons." CreationDate="2017-10-22T21:35:26.540" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15128" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="Yes, emotions are often nonsensical :) Still we have built-in emotions in our &quot;software&quot;, so we should accept it. Regards," CreationDate="2017-10-24T11:37:42.083" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="15155" PostId="3430" Score="1" Text="Sorry, I do not understand the topic here. Just want to add, that we cannot neglect psychology when doing portal. The rules should be for people. Exactly, people do decisions based on looking at the others. Why do you condemn this ? We should define such rules on MO which will be good for people. For example we should remove down-votes, and allow only up-votes. Similarly, on facebook, you can only add &quot;likes&quot;, not &quot;dislikes&quot;. No one is happy when seeing down votes on his post. See example below." CreationDate="2017-10-25T12:17:59.793" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="15356" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="How do we know that the trend is just for very old questions and not for soft questions in general which still arise?" CreationDate="2017-12-05T14:30:43.350" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15630" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/a/289505/22277" CreationDate="2017-12-30T15:02:44.833" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18597" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/a/320749/22277" CreationDate="2019-03-21T12:21:38.410" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18598" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="Would anyone like to give an explanation for those delete votes and downvotes? Is there anything scientifically inaccurate about those posts?" CreationDate="2019-03-21T12:30:52.943" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15062" PostId="3433" Score="0" Text="I hope there will be some feedback from other users on this. (Especially from the moderator who merged the two tags.) I will just point out that apart from a separate tag, also combination of the tags [open-problems and big-list](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/open-problems+big-list) might be a reasonable way how to tag those questions (and how to search for them using tags)." CreationDate="2017-10-15T09:15:38.637" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15063" PostId="3433" Score="0" Text="It seems that there were [slightly more than 40 questions](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/40542831#40542831) tagged (open-problems-list) before the merge, and about 15 of them were tagged (big-list).&#xA;So whichever solution is chosen (creating the tag open-problems-list again or using the big-list tag), it seems that about 30 questions have to be retagged manually if we want to get back to the status before the two tags were merged." CreationDate="2017-10-15T09:16:16.707" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15067" PostId="3433" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I do not think moderators should do such things without discussion." CreationDate="2017-10-15T11:33:08.793" UserId="10446" />
  <row Id="15076" PostId="3433" Score="0" Text="Just to make this visible also to other users, I'll mention that there was a brief discussion about this tag in chat:&#xA; see [here](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2017/10/16) and [here](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/about-open-problems-list-tag)." CreationDate="2017-10-16T11:45:32.383" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15084" PostId="3433" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak thank you for letting me know about that ! I posted a comment" CreationDate="2017-10-16T19:06:18.673" UserId="10446" />
  <row Id="15064" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="Shouldn't you be asking that on TCS.se (or rather their meta site)?" CreationDate="2017-10-15T09:46:58.690" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15065" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="Yeah, maybe I should. I wasn't sure, since it might also be relevant here if someone thinks it's a question that makes more sense on *MathOverflow*." CreationDate="2017-10-15T09:56:31.137" UserId="115354" />
  <row Id="15066" PostId="3435" Score="3" Text="My only advice is to wait a week before concluding there is no response.  You have done that." CreationDate="2017-10-15T10:50:56.827" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="15068" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="Not clear to me what &quot;migrate&quot; means in this context. I'm pretty sure it's not something OP can just do. Perhaps a moderator can do it; OP can flag the question for moderator attention, and request a moderator migrate it. Or, OP can just post it as a new question to the other site, in which case I'd recommend linking the post at each site to the post at the other." CreationDate="2017-10-15T21:22:27.043" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15069" PostId="3435" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson Some details about migration can be found here: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/migration/info. And you are right that it requires assistance from moderators. (The exception is that users can choose migration when they vote to close, but in that case they can only choose from a few predefined sites - currently meta.MO, math and stats - so this option is irrelevant for this specific instance.)" CreationDate="2017-10-16T03:33:54.493" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15070" PostId="3435" Score="1" Text="I have [asked about the question](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9446/2017/10/15) in cstheory chatroom. I only got a response [from one user](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9446/2017/10/16) who says that in their opinion migration seems reasonable." CreationDate="2017-10-16T05:15:15.513" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15071" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Is that considered okay to post it as a new question on the other site or will that be flag as duplicate?" CreationDate="2017-10-16T06:36:25.110" UserId="115354" />
  <row Id="15072" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="My understanding is that it's not possible to close something on one site as a duplicate of something on another site. It is poor etiquette to post something to two sites without noting on both sites that you have done this (and it might be good to say why you've done it)." CreationDate="2017-10-16T06:41:29.623" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15073" PostId="3435" Score="3" Text="Okay, I will do that then and as you suggest link to both sites and explain why. Thanks for your responses everyone!" CreationDate="2017-10-16T06:46:16.150" UserId="115354" />
  <row Id="15081" PostId="3437" Score="3" Text="Let me also say that quid confirms in the comments to his nomination that they informed me about the decision in advance. So apparently I had some substance to what I was writing in the answer on this page. But then again, conspiracy theories are sooooo much better..." CreationDate="2017-10-16T18:52:19.753" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15082" PostId="3437" Score="0" Text="I guess I've missed some bad stuff – wasn't aware of any conspiracy theories. I just randomly encountered the question and thought it might help to link to quid's own answer. I'm sorry if his departure has become fodder for conspiracy fans." CreationDate="2017-10-16T19:00:10.093" UserId="25" />
  <row Id="15083" PostId="3437" Score="1" Text="Oh, the OP here kept claiming that there is no reason for them to believe anything I say because I don't have any substantial proof that I'm not talking nonsense. And I mean, why would I post that? But of course, that's not a reason to be convinced if you think that I have a reason to bullshit on this thread. (And that's, right there, is a conspiracy theory... for beginners anyway! :))" CreationDate="2017-10-16T19:01:39.300" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15091" PostId="3437" Score="11" Text="Quid wrote &quot;The reason I asked for my account on MO to be deleted, after a rather long and active time there, which was overall a good time, is that I did not agree with certain parts of the site's policy and direction that are important to many users there.&quot;  I'm not interested in gossip for its own sake, but I would take quid's opinion on the site's policy and diraction rather seriously.  Have his/her specific objections been documented publicly or discussed on meta?" CreationDate="2017-10-17T12:57:27.403" UserId="4362" />
  <row Id="15094" PostId="3437" Score="1" Text="@PaulSiegel that's a good question, but I don't know the answer." CreationDate="2017-10-17T20:07:45.430" UserId="25" />
  <row Id="15097" PostId="3437" Score="4" Text="@PaulSiegel: I think In general, if someone objects to something, but doesn't describe to what exactly they object, this sheds a bad light on the seriousness of the objections." CreationDate="2017-10-18T10:35:27.700" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15099" PostId="3437" Score="1" Text="I think in particular that raising this objection publicly might compromise some aspect of the system, perhaps dealing with anonymity of quid and others.  Quid's history of judgment regarding MathOverflow and how best to serve this forum lead me to trust his judgment on this matter of keeping quiet. For the excessively curious, tea.mathoverflow.net may have clues.  Gerhard &quot;We May Never Need Knowing&quot; Paseman, 2017.10.18." CreationDate="2017-10-18T14:16:49.127" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15108" PostId="3437" Score="4" Text="quid was just elected to be a moderator for MathSE: [vote link](https://www.opavote.com/results/4828042769727488/0)." CreationDate="2017-10-19T13:39:34.293" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="15093" PostId="3440" Score="2" Text="Odd proposition ... . In the spirit of your question -- why not rather limiting the *number* of questions a user can ask in relation to the number of well-received answers they have given? -- E.g. #questions - #answers $\leq 250$ or so?" CreationDate="2017-10-17T15:41:20.453" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15095" PostId="3440" Score="1" Text="If an average word is 5 characters, and a picture is worth 1000 words, then the 500 character limit would permit only one-tenth of a picture per question. How would Joseph O'Rourke cope?" CreationDate="2017-10-17T21:17:44.483" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15096" PostId="3440" Score="4" Text="LOL ok, I see it was a very bad idea of mine... Sorry for the traffic jam, folks" CreationDate="2017-10-18T06:53:49.623" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="15106" PostId="3441" Score="2" Text="In connection to this it might be worth mentioning that *providing background and motivation* is explicitly mentioned in the FAQ post [How to write a good MathOverflow question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/882) (And massively reducing number of characters would certainly make this much difficult.)" CreationDate="2017-10-19T06:58:48.163" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15100" PostId="3445" Score="1" Text="Certainly, sometimes new posters cite an old question as evidence that their new question is on-topic.  Isn't there some sort of banner that exists stating &quot;this is a legacy question&quot; or something ... I seem to remember seeing these banners." CreationDate="2017-10-18T14:28:26.783" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="15101" PostId="3445" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar I looked into that at a site where I moderate and added some details. The wordings have changed over time, and the one I posted is the current one." CreationDate="2017-10-18T14:40:38.810" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="15102" PostId="3445" Score="2" Text="Great, thanks.  I think our over-eager closers should consider whether the old question they want to close should instead be flagged so the moderators can lock it with this banner." CreationDate="2017-10-18T14:44:55.193" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="15103" PostId="3445" Score="1" Text="I would be curious to know what triggered down votes. I'm not trying to argue that we should agree with the flags and close such questions, but trying to see where the flagger might be coming from." CreationDate="2017-10-18T18:50:56.933" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="15104" PostId="3445" Score="5" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta: I simply find it odd to close a question as off-topic months or years after it has been asked and answered. After it has been well-received for a long time, and has got a lot of positive feedback in the form of answers and upvotes. If a question is off-topic on this site, I think this should be decided within a reasonable timespan, and ideally before it has been answered. And locks which also prevent edits, even trivial ones e.g. to update links, and adding comments, are a rather drastic measure." CreationDate="2017-10-18T19:21:56.287" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15105" PostId="3445" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks! I agree that the lock is a very drastic measure. Closure does less harm, but there is little to be gained with it either and it would take too much work to try to close all such old questions. I would let the old questions be, but I have no strong opinion." CreationDate="2017-10-18T19:25:42.720" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="15126" PostId="3445" Score="1" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta I do not understand that &quot;passion&quot; for closing questions. What is the reason for it. I have done down-voting, because I am strongly against closing good questions. I will add answer to this thread with more explanation of my point of view. I hope it will not be removed :(" CreationDate="2017-10-24T09:38:06.597" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="15127" PostId="3445" Score="1" Text="@MarekMitros I don't understand a passion for closing either. I understand why some may vote to close old questions, but I would only do that myself very rarely. The whole point of my answer was trying to explain a phenomenon, not defend it. Your answer is of course a welcome addition to this meta discussion! :)" CreationDate="2017-10-24T11:27:14.077" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="15156" PostId="3445" Score="0" Text="@JoonasIlmavirta Thank you for your explanation. Sorry for doing down vote. This way you can understand that no one is happy when experience down vote or closure of his own post on MO or other portal. That's why I suggest to remove down-voting from MO policy, just allow upvoting. On facebook you can only put &quot;likes&quot; not &quot;dislikes&quot;. People prefer to hear good things, not bad things about theirself. This is psychology. If you have to say something negative to your wife (or other person), you should think twice, how to do it in order to maintain relationship." CreationDate="2017-10-25T12:25:07.683" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="15157" PostId="3445" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl General guidance for the entire SE network is that if what is &quot;on-topic&quot; changes, than closing old questions that no longer meet the requirements is fine (but there's no reason to seek them out). I think people interpret closure too negatively, everyone involved keeps earned reputation, links still work, it just prevents activity on something no longer appropriate. IMO, if something is off-topic *and* is currently attracting attention, than closure makes sense, otherwise its basically a pointless (no benefit, no harm) activity." CreationDate="2017-10-25T17:33:55.773" UserId="115670" />
  <row Id="15158" PostId="3445" Score="4" Text="@mbrig the professional mathematicians on MO have their own culture and customs, so even if the rest of the SE network likes to close and delete at their time of asking well received questions this does not necessarily be true for this community too. Also, note that MO was founded outside the SE network and joined only relatively recently and is by contract not obliged to follow and hold up SE dogma if it clashes with the interests and tradition of research mathematicians. If most people here consider the content of old questions still valuable, closure or even deletion makes no sense..." CreationDate="2017-10-25T17:54:01.347" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="15159" PostId="3445" Score="2" Text="@Dilaton I specifically did not say deletion because closure and deletion have very different meanings. Deleting content means its valueless or harmful, but closure (and keeping it around forever) implies that it has value but the community no longer wishes to see activity around it. Which is *exactly* the intent with valuable but no-longer on-topic content. Conflating the two is quite possibly why people get unnecessarily angered by having their questions closed." CreationDate="2017-10-26T01:16:47.863" UserId="115670" />
  <row Id="15171" PostId="3445" Score="1" Text="Re: *it certainly doesn't hurt much*. One thing which can be influenced by this is that user with too many closed questions can get into [question ban](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/tags/post-ban/info). Still, I vaguely recall reading somewhere that downvotes on posts contribute to post ban much more than closures, so in this regard it hurts only a little. (And this might be relevant only if the user in question had many of their questions closed.)" CreationDate="2017-10-27T05:42:41.773" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15355" PostId="3445" Score="0" Text="@mbrig I have gained the impression, since the activity on this post, that some of the flagging for closing is done with the express intention of subsequently voting for deletion. I may be mistaken, though" CreationDate="2017-12-04T22:03:47.937" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="15109" PostId="3446" Score="0" Text="While I benefit from the &quot;live and let live&quot; policy, I am aware (and sometimes raise this awareness) that this community is building a repository for &quot;the ages&quot;.  When I write for this forum, I believe I am writing for the future, and (among other goals) go for clarity and durability.  I would edit with the same goals in mind.  I think this post makes for a good meta question on group striving towards a set of goals. Can we craft even better questions out of the existing material? Gerhard &quot;Pull In Same Direction, Perhaps?&quot; Paseman, 2017.10.20." CreationDate="2017-10-20T15:07:37.957" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15111" PostId="3446" Score="2" Text="I suppose as a moderator quid is not anonymous for the SE overlords, correct?" CreationDate="2017-10-20T16:12:58.380" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="15112" PostId="3446" Score="1" Text="@joro, I believe that's correct, but why do you wish to know?" CreationDate="2017-10-20T16:59:50.363" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15113" PostId="3446" Score="2" Text="Out of curiosity." CreationDate="2017-10-20T17:02:49.490" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="15114" PostId="3446" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman At least some of the community has that conscious attitude, I agree (and I think that's generally a good way to be). But not all. For example, one can find answers in the form of a series of hints, which certainly may deliver the much needed information for the question-poser, but not necessarily that effectively for the world at large." CreationDate="2017-10-20T17:04:32.353" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15115" PostId="3446" Score="2" Text="While I do agree that MSE has a far more &quot;editorial&quot; feel to it when it comes to questions, it is only &quot;hands-on&quot; in comparison to the reluctance of editing on MO. I, for one, strongly oppose changing the phrasing of a question or its meaning by people who are not the original poster; and would go as far as publicly rebuke those who do that or even reverse their edits. I do agree, however, that the key different is in &quot;how does the answerer *interprets* the question&quot;, but even then I feel that the difference is not to big. [...]" CreationDate="2017-10-20T17:48:48.067" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15116" PostId="3446" Score="2" Text="[...] For a very long time, my feeling was that the main difference is that MO accepts that most questions are aimed at a very narrow slice of the participants, something that might cause a high &quot;noise-to-signal&quot; ratio if one is not interested in most topics covered here; whereas MSE does indeed try to focus on broader questions and answers. But this is by no mean done via editing questions, rather it is done by calibration of the levels and spectra of answers. But, lo and behold, the same can be said on MO, just on a far thinner scale—as appropriate for a researcher-focused website." CreationDate="2017-10-20T17:51:03.790" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15139" PostId="3446" Score="3" Text="I think it is somewhat misleading to think the difference between MO and MSE mostly a difference of cultures. Much of the structure required at MSE is a necessity that comes from it being the second largest SE site and by being frequented by drive by users trying to dump their homework[...]" CreationDate="2017-10-24T17:18:24.683" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="15140" PostId="3446" Score="3" Text="[...]The MSE meta lingo for problems lacking any context is PSQ for &quot;problem statement questions&quot;, and this notion came mostly out of discussions on how to deal with homework questions. The need for context also arises because one may want to help a specific asker. You don't often read &quot;Sorry, we didn't learn that concept yet.&quot; on MO." CreationDate="2017-10-24T17:18:28.573" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="15134" PostId="3447" Score="4" Text="I would prefer all graph-theory questions to also be tagged co.combinatorics, as it makes it easier to see the questions of interest to me in one place." CreationDate="2017-10-24T12:58:33.573" UserId="25485" />
  <row Id="15178" PostId="3447" Score="0" Text="I think that there are a number of questions for which graph-theory is a natural tag, but co.combinatorics is not so natural, or at least not primary. Notably some for which gr.group-theory is the utmost natural top-level tag (an example is https://mathoverflow.net/questions/281285/ where by the way gr.group-theory is currently missing)." CreationDate="2017-10-28T12:26:59.960" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15189" PostId="3447" Score="1" Text="What about soft questions, like https://mathoverflow.net/q/281447 ?" CreationDate="2017-10-30T16:58:35.797" UserId="45956" />
  <row Id="15190" PostId="3447" Score="0" Text="@JulesLamers If we have question which does not belong to a specific area of mathematics, ([tag:gm.general-mathematics]) could be used if we want to enforce top-level tag rule. This tag was mentioned in chat [here](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2017/7/1) and [here](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2017/8/24) when discussing how a particular question should be tagged. (It would probably be better to hear from more experienced users than me what they think about this.)." CreationDate="2017-10-30T17:06:46.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15191" PostId="3447" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak What would be the best way to hear from others: turn it into a separate question, or wait until we get more comments here?" CreationDate="2017-10-30T17:28:05.677" UserId="45956" />
  <row Id="15192" PostId="3447" Score="1" Text="@JulesLamers Todd Trimble [promised in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243?m=40803188#40803188) that he will talk a bit about this with François G. Dorais. So I hope we will see here an answer from one of these two users eventually. (It was not exactly this issue, but related to top-level tags - so I suppose that if they plan to discuss this, they'll touch also on this.)" CreationDate="2017-10-30T18:01:20.467" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15129" PostId="3448" Score="3" Text="OP is asking for &quot;questions that were asked on MathOverflow but haven't been answered in spite of efforts by many community members&quot; and &quot;questions that have interesting partial answers.&quot; OP didn't just write, &quot;list all the unanswered questions on MO&quot; – that would be a pointless exercise. What makes one or more of your 24 questions stand out from all the other unanswered questions?" CreationDate="2017-10-24T11:38:53.317" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15132" PostId="3448" Score="1" Text="The point is that the main theme of most of these diverse questions is the notion of self-distributivity. Mathematicians are comfortable with the notion of associativity. Mathematicians everywhere study objects with some form of associativity to the point of monotony. On the other hand, mathematicians are not comfortable with the notion of self-distributivity and inner endomorphisms (except when it comes from groups). Or do we just only want to study the associativity property on this site?" CreationDate="2017-10-24T12:11:50.023" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15133" PostId="3448" Score="1" Text="And how is one supposed to know how much effort people have spent on a certain problem? What if a problem is so intractible with there current mathematical knowledge that people simply do not know where to begin attacking the problem?" CreationDate="2017-10-24T12:19:27.550" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18604" PostId="3448" Score="1" Text="All of my questions are valuable problems to work on since they are some of the most natural questions that come up from the theory of self-distributivity. Instead of downvoting this answer, why don't you attempt to be a productive citizen and try solving one of them?" CreationDate="2019-03-21T23:43:30.547" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18605" PostId="3448" Score="1" Text="The 'mathematics' community is deeply mistaken for considering associative algebraic operations that are merely rehashes of the Kindergarten operations +,-,*,/ and the composition operation $\circ$ if you are a group theorist." CreationDate="2019-03-22T02:05:03.273" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15141" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="Because (contrary to your proof attempt) $\in$ is a semantic symbol.  Also, your post does not address the issue raised in the question.  It attempts to circumvent the question by considering a related issue, but this related issue has insufficient ties to the question.  Gerhard &quot;In Other Words, Rather Irrelevant&quot; Paseman, 2017.10.24." CreationDate="2017-10-25T06:50:30.753" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15142" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman Can you write that question about which you speak? And how can it be semantic?" CreationDate="2017-10-25T06:53:28.910" UserDisplayName="user111966" />
  <row Id="15143" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="The question is written in the post, and is given an interesting and relevant answer by Prof. Hamkins.  I suggest you work on understanding that answer to determine on what may be semantic.  Gerhard &quot;In Has Meaning To Me&quot; Paseman, 2017.10.25." CreationDate="2017-10-25T07:20:14.680" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15144" PostId="3450" Score="8" Text="The answer is total gibberish." CreationDate="2017-10-25T07:26:08.310" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="15145" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Do you see this partially or in general? Just trying to understand the course of your thoughts." CreationDate="2017-10-25T07:31:11.413" UserDisplayName="user111966" />
  <row Id="15149" PostId="3450" Score="1" Text="To the extent of &quot;administrators&quot; are on the site, yes there are a few, and Todd Trimble is indeed one of them." CreationDate="2017-10-25T09:39:24.300" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15150" PostId="3450" Score="5" Text="(Also, to the less-engaged, [this is not the first time](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3311/why-was-my-answer-deleted) that this exact topic comes up. The OP has posted an answer a few months ago, which was deleted by a moderator, and the OP kept editing it until it ended up being locked to prevent further bumping of that question.)" CreationDate="2017-10-25T09:39:51.713" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15153" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Do you want to convince everyone in advance that I'm wrong? For two of your identical comments, I can assume that it is, do not overdo it." CreationDate="2017-10-25T10:13:52.567" UserDisplayName="user111966" />
  <row Id="15154" PostId="3450" Score="6" Text="Where did I say that your answer is wrong or not? I am just pointing out that this is not the first time you've posted an answer on that thread, and it is not the first time it was deleted by a moderator, and that it is not the first time that you have complained about this on meta. It's called transparency." CreationDate="2017-10-25T10:28:19.340" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15166" PostId="3450" Score="3" Text="Possible duplicate of [Why was my answer deleted?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3311/why-was-my-answer-deleted)" CreationDate="2017-10-26T14:36:59.740" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="15147" PostId="3451" Score="0" Text="English is not my native language as you can see.  &quot;we can't do not choose $x$&quot;. The phrase means: We should always choose $x$. Because if we do not choose $x$ there is semantics inside the expression, then the symbol $\in$ will be semantic, but this is not true." CreationDate="2017-10-25T08:47:40.760" UserDisplayName="user111966" />
  <row Id="15151" PostId="3451" Score="3" Text="In case you haven't seen that one before, https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3311/why-was-my-answer-deleted is about the other, deleted and locked answer of the OP." CreationDate="2017-10-25T09:41:38.027" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15168" PostId="3452" Score="4" Text="Re: *moderator(s) that handled my flag*. If you flagged the post to be closed as off-topic, there is bigger chance that your flag was handled by regular users than by a moderator. In fact, if you flag was what caused the post to [get to the close votes review](https://mathoverflow.net/review/close/89996), then the flag was declined based on the votes in the review. You can find more details on this type of flags in [my answer to another question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3271/flagging-low-quality-questions/3276#3276)." CreationDate="2017-10-26T16:50:55.003" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15169" PostId="3452" Score="24" Text="I think the phrase &quot;research level&quot; as applied at MO can be misleading. The way it seems to work in practice is that it refers to mathematical questions that either arise in someone's research, or whose answer is not well-known to your average research mathematician. Thus, questions in Euclidean geometry that make users pause and say to themselves, &quot;hm, that's interesting; I don't know&quot; have a reasonable chance of staying open, whether or not people actively pursue such questions in &quot;modern-day research&quot;." CreationDate="2017-10-26T19:13:31.313" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15172" PostId="3452" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble Can I take that to mean that flagging a question with a positive voting score is most likely going to be declined in practice, regardless of the level of the question?" CreationDate="2017-10-27T16:09:39.897" UserId="45956" />
  <row Id="15173" PostId="3452" Score="7" Text="@JulesLamers: It's not that simple. In general, as a rule of thumb, on-topic are questions of interest to mathematicians. This includes also occasional soft questions and nice problems which are not &quot;research level&quot;, in particular if they are presented well. Though it excludes e.g. calculus questions or questions asking for help in understanding basic textbooks. A question may still be considered off-topic if it got a number of upvotes. I.e. there are controversial cases. Once you have 1000 points, you can see how many up- and downvotes a question got, which helps to spot such cases." CreationDate="2017-10-27T16:57:52.337" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15174" PostId="3452" Score="8" Text="Although the question was addressed to me, I think Stefan has answered well. A net vote of 1 is not an accurate predictor of appropriateness of level. Stefan has given some examples where it's clearly appropriate to flag a question; I'll add that usually commentary below a question makes it obvious when a question is controversial. Another rule of thumb that can be useful to apply is where a question may give a surface impression of being &quot;not research level&quot;, but then ask yourself: can I solve it, no problem? If it's not clear how to solve it, consider leaving it alone." CreationDate="2017-10-27T19:02:16.763" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15207" PostId="3452" Score="5" Text="I'm puzzled by the discussion: it's my understanding that flags only concern highly off-topic questions such as various forms of spam, questions unrelated to maths... Off-topic questions (e.g. standard undergraduate exercise such as &quot;show that a group with $x^2=1$ for all $x$ is abelian&quot; just get closing votes and in such obvious cases are quickly closed, it's enough; in less obvious cases there is often disagreement on whether the question should be closed, but such questions should scarcely be concerned by flagging." CreationDate="2017-11-02T16:09:45.047" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15208" PostId="3452" Score="0" Text="@YCor Well, the flagging 'menu' certainly has a route for suggesting migration to e.g. Mathematics.SE. Do you think that is intended for something else instead then? And if so, would you suggest me to downvote the question instead? (Perhaps it's because I have not so much reputation yet, but I don't see a way to give it a closing vote other than by flagging.)" CreationDate="2017-11-02T16:16:45.613" UserId="45956" />
  <row Id="15209" PostId="3452" Score="1" Text="@JulesLamers indeed, I understood this &quot;route&quot; outside &quot;flagging&quot; and indeed don't use it since I have enough points to directly vote for closing (I think if I click flag and then &quot;should be closed&quot; then I'm redirecting to closing vote window. So this question is not really about flagging, but about appropriateness on MathOF (I agree the term &quot;flag&quot; is misleading- for instance I feel uncomfortable at flagging obsolete comments which once used to be perfectly reasonable, such as noticing typos, even when erasing them would be a benefit)." CreationDate="2017-11-02T16:26:43.170" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15217" PostId="3452" Score="2" Text="@YCor: Maybe your misunderstanding stems from your high reputation: for us, low reputation users, there is no way to *vote* for closure; we can only *flag* for closure and wait for the other users to confirm our flags. We may *vote* to close only when we get above 3000 points." CreationDate="2017-11-03T11:31:53.850" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="15218" PostId="3452" Score="1" Text="@AlexM. yes I know and I said it &quot; I have enough points to directly vote for closing&quot;. Thanks anyway..." CreationDate="2017-11-03T17:02:28.667" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15525" PostId="3452" Score="5" Text="This is why I've always preferred phrasings like &quot;for professional mathematicians.&quot;  Questions are good if they're of interest to the community of professional mathematicians.  (I count PhD students as professional mathematicians, and of course not all participants need be professionals, but that's the intended community.)  So if something is of interest to mathematicians then it's at the appropriate level." CreationDate="2017-12-21T15:00:28.497" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="15179" PostId="3454" Score="1" Text="Please see also the earlier discussion about donations, at https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2376/how-can-i-donate-to-mathoverflow-if-i-should." CreationDate="2017-10-29T23:00:48.903" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15180" PostId="3454" Score="9" Text="I didn't even hesitate to do this, but the PayPal website is a pain in the neck, and I just can't deal with it anymore. Is there any other way that I can wire some money? Perhaps with less bells and whistles, but maybe with a website that actually tells me what the problem is, and not just require me to &quot;fix my phone number&quot; and re-type my banking details ten times, including various CAPTCHA that may or may not actually show up?" CreationDate="2017-10-29T23:16:38.277" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15183" PostId="3454" Score="6" Text="@AsafKaragila: If you (or anyone else) really can't use PayPal, then contact `board@mathoverflow.net` and the treasurer (currently me) will find something more convenient." CreationDate="2017-10-29T23:26:22.677" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="15184" PostId="3454" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais:  May I suggest that sending a check to the treasurer should be an option?" CreationDate="2017-10-30T00:57:19.187" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="15185" PostId="3454" Score="2" Text="@Lucia: It is an option. Our mailing address is: MathOverflow, c/o&#xA;Department of Mathematics, Stanford University, Stanford CA 94305. Also send an email to `board@mathoverflow.net` to facilitate processing." CreationDate="2017-10-30T01:42:13.917" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="15187" PostId="3454" Score="15" Text="Will there be some survey of how much money was donated, and how is it going to be used?" CreationDate="2017-10-30T14:23:24.863" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15188" PostId="3454" Score="8" Text="It is mentioned here that MO &quot;belongs to the mathematicians&quot;. What is the definition of &quot;mathematician&quot; here - is each user of MO considered a mathematicion ? Namely, can I feel co-owner of MO as well ? Regards," CreationDate="2017-10-30T15:42:01.823" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="15193" PostId="3454" Score="4" Text="@MarekMitros: Yes, you should feel like a co-owner. The whole reason why the MathOverflow NPO exists is to protect and preserve this wonderful tool for current and future mathematicians. Also see this old faq: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/969/who-owns-mathoverflow" CreationDate="2017-10-30T21:23:28.447" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="15194" PostId="3454" Score="8" Text="@AsafKaragila: As a 501(c)(3), we are required to provide that information. Right now, because our revenues and expenses are considered minimal by the IRS (less than 50K annually) our disclosure requirements are basically nil (i.e., we don't make enough to hire an accountant to produce official annual disclosures). However, we are happy to share any financial information! (Before this post, besides one rather generous donation to set up our bank account, our expenses were very minimal and were paid out-of-pocket by board members.)" CreationDate="2017-10-30T21:33:48.317" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="15195" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="Is it possible to send you a check libelled in euros as I guess, judging by your name, that you are French like me?" CreationDate="2017-10-30T21:57:24.517" UserId="13625" />
  <row Id="15196" PostId="3454" Score="1" Text="@SylvainJULIEN if you are asking François, then looking at his profile will instantly tell you he is based in Vermont, and following a link to his website will tell you that his entire academic career has been based in the US. I do not know whether he is French, but I suspect not." CreationDate="2017-10-30T23:15:07.893" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="15197" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts FYI I am a Canadian citizen." CreationDate="2017-10-31T01:01:52.620" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="15199" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="@François that's what I guessed." CreationDate="2017-10-31T03:24:27.423" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="15201" PostId="3454" Score="6" Text="Nearly 72 hours into the donations, may I ask how much money was donated so far?" CreationDate="2017-11-01T14:14:01.087" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15202" PostId="3454" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila, we’re at 344USD so far." CreationDate="2017-11-02T05:28:36.510" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15203" PostId="3454" Score="2" Text="And is there a goal towards we hope to work?" CreationDate="2017-11-02T07:53:12.630" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15213" PostId="3454" Score="6" Text="There's some disagreement amongst the board on this question still, so we decided not to announce a specific target. Everyone's suggested goal was over $3000, however." CreationDate="2017-11-02T22:17:19.130" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15216" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="So we're still a long way from home, I see." CreationDate="2017-11-03T09:42:55.153" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15225" PostId="3454" Score="34" Text="typically, fundraising efforts like this work best if there is some feedback: like the total amount raised and the amount of individual donations (anonymously); a target also helps to create a sense of how we're doing." CreationDate="2017-11-04T23:07:17.690" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="15233" PostId="3454" Score="6" Text="I definitely agree with @Carlo, and I think that having some sort of &quot;goal&quot; and &quot;progress&quot; available could be helpful." CreationDate="2017-11-06T12:37:29.733" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15235" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="Would it be possible for MO to get registered with www.benevity.com? Many companies use it for matching their employees donations to charities." CreationDate="2017-11-07T02:21:51.443" UserId="7507" />
  <row Id="15238" PostId="3454" Score="4" Text="So, another week passed. How are we doing?" CreationDate="2017-11-09T02:34:07.800" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15239" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="Have you thought of using Kickstarter?" CreationDate="2017-11-09T06:51:54.623" UserId="65915" />
  <row Id="15242" PostId="3454" Score="14" Text="We're now at \$817.82 USD. Thanks everyone who's contributed so far. We've had all sorts of donations from \$5 up to \$100." CreationDate="2017-11-10T00:34:51.537" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15243" PostId="3454" Score="2" Text="I am curious about the average size of donations..." CreationDate="2017-11-11T09:03:28.343" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15260" PostId="3454" Score="1" Text="@D.Hutchinson, I would suggest writing to board@mathoverflow.net if you have questions about donations." CreationDate="2017-11-16T11:10:27.027" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15263" PostId="3454" Score="1" Text="@Scott: Care to give us a weekly update on the campaign?" CreationDate="2017-11-17T09:23:48.363" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15265" PostId="3454" Score="1" Text="@D.Hutchinson: That's very nice. I saw your previous comment. And while I'm not sure what ballpark figure you mean by obscene amount, I'm still curious as to how things are moving along so far." CreationDate="2017-11-17T11:03:17.240" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15267" PostId="3454" Score="1" Text="Would it be possible to use Amazon Smile to generate a stream of donations? https://org.amazon.com/" CreationDate="2017-11-18T20:57:20.800" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="15280" PostId="3454" Score="11" Text="For anyone keeping track, we have just passed \$1000 in donations. Thanks everyone who has contributed." CreationDate="2017-11-21T00:25:43.073" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15281" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="@Neal, I don’t know much about Amazon Smile, but it seems far more complicated and indirect than simply receiving donations." CreationDate="2017-11-21T00:26:51.963" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15302" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="Scott, nearly a month in, how are we faring? :)" CreationDate="2017-11-26T12:03:44.120" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15304" PostId="3454" Score="5" Text="I think we're only a tiny bit past my update 5 days ago, that we passed \$1000." CreationDate="2017-11-27T00:32:16.193" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="15330" PostId="3454" Score="5" Text="So, a slightly different question, do you have a deadline for donations in this campaign, or is this open season all year long for donating?" CreationDate="2017-11-30T07:51:47.360" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15498" PostId="3454" Score="1" Text="The [featured] tag has an auto expiration, which we now passed. Just to point that out. Also, how are we doing? :)" CreationDate="2017-12-19T08:01:59.987" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15971" PostId="3454" Score="3" Text="I am guessing the campaign is over? Any statistics are going to be published about it?" CreationDate="2018-02-21T07:36:47.523" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16076" PostId="3454" Score="2" Text="@ScottMorrison I second Asaf's query" CreationDate="2018-03-19T05:26:49.663" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17648" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="I second the additional query by @David Roberts. :-)" CreationDate="2018-11-16T17:25:58.733" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15204" PostId="3456" Score="1" Text="Do you mean papers that cited the question?" CreationDate="2017-11-02T11:14:05.317" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15205" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="Maybe he means other posts in MO that cite this post.  Or maybe posts anywhere in the SE system that cite this post.  Or maybe web sites anywhere that cite this post." CreationDate="2017-11-02T13:07:20.770" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="15206" PostId="3456" Score="1" Text="@Gerald: The first one is a subset of the &quot;Linked&quot; panel; the second one is a nice idea, but it could cause a lot of noise sometimes, and might be a bit more difficult to implement; and the last one is ridiculous to even suggest." CreationDate="2017-11-02T13:54:08.463" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15211" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="@Asaf Yes, I did mean the last one - why is it ridiculous?" CreationDate="2017-11-02T20:50:07.590" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="15212" PostId="3456" Score="1" Text="Because journal sites or mathscinet have paid workers to maintain these citation databases, and here nobody is ever going to get paid. And having them an automatic script is a huge opening to spammers." CreationDate="2017-11-02T20:58:41.143" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15214" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="@Asaf Google scholar and tons of other sites have an automatic script. I don't know how they do it for papers, but with my limited CS knowledge I thought that the same thing could be done for MO posts." CreationDate="2017-11-03T09:35:34.310" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="15215" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="The day MathOverflow, nay, StackExchange, has the same computation power and data access as Google do, we can reopen this debate. Not to mention that Google Scholar is not nearly as good as MathSciNet or ZB or databases which are maintained by actual humans." CreationDate="2017-11-03T09:39:03.703" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15219" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="@Asaf I agree that MSN and ZB are better, but here the goal would not be to maintain a correct database but rather to have any sort of list that shows that the www links to these posts. As I said, I have absolutely no clue how complicated this thing is. If you say it's computationally unfeasible, I'm happy to accept it (even as an answer)." CreationDate="2017-11-03T20:15:52.700" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="15230" PostId="3456" Score="1" Text="@domotorp So you would expect to get there something like the output of Google Scholar. For example, this is what I get when [searching for &quot;http://mathoverflow.net/q/143950&quot;](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22http%3A%2F%2Fmathoverflow.net%2Fq%2F143950%22). Some questions are even in Google Scholar database, so you can get the citations, like here [for the question A family of words counted by the Catalan numbers 131585](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=6424290353476135733). So you would expect to get something similar to what you get in those search result?" CreationDate="2017-11-05T10:13:08.053" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15231" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="And for comparison I'll add also searches on the web (so not restricted to Google Scholar, i.e., to papers): [question 131585](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22http://mathoverflow.net/questions/131585%22) and [question 234492](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22mathoverflow.net/questions/234492%22). (I have tried one of the two examples above. The other one I chose because it is cited in Wikipedia.)" CreationDate="2017-11-05T10:18:24.203" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15232" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="@Martin Brilliant, what the Google Scholar search returns is exactly what I had in mind! Do you think we can have that in a right panel?" CreationDate="2017-11-05T17:09:44.173" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="15240" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="@domotorp I guess that probably somebody more experienced would be able to say more about whether this is doable and whether it would be legal. But reading answer to this question, it seems to me that fetching this from Google Scholar is probably not the way to go: [How to get permission from Google to use Google Scholar Data, if needed?](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/34970)" CreationDate="2017-11-09T14:02:24.460" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15241" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="@Martin actually, in the comment it says that it is possible to become a &quot;Google Certified Partner&quot; to obtain permission. This should be of course done somewhere from the top of Mathoverflow..." CreationDate="2017-11-09T14:31:38.420" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="17446" PostId="3458" Score="0" Text="Or here: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/313516/a-shelah-group-in-zfc" CreationDate="2018-10-23T17:15:20.773" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15220" PostId="3460" Score="21" Text="Once, I left a comment indicating I would like to give the author proper credit, and asked them to contact me (they did). Another time, I asked the moderators to contact the author and ask them to contact me so proper credit could be given (they did)." CreationDate="2017-11-04T12:55:42.067" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="15222" PostId="3460" Score="4" Text="If you want the member to &quot;out&quot; themselves to you, while still preserving their anonymity, you should not tell us what question title is involved.  I might be curious enough to read all your answered questions and corresponding papers to find out,  but probably not, whereas you make it too easy by specifying which question.  While Chris Godsil has a good suggestion, you should still give the poster the opportunity (ask them in a comment or through moderators) to unmask for this paper.  Gerhard &quot;Maybe 'Reveal' Is The Word&quot; Paseman, 2017.11.04." CreationDate="2017-11-04T17:11:09.657" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15229" PostId="3460" Score="4" Text="Just to add minor clarification to @AndrésE.Caicedo comment, moderators might have access to more personal information about a user than regular users do. But they are bound by [moderator agreement](https://mathoverflow.net/legal/moderator-agreement) not to disclose this information to other users. (Of course, this is different from what Andrés E. Caicedo describes in his comment.)" CreationDate="2017-11-05T07:15:37.327" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15247" PostId="3460" Score="0" Text="One perfectly ethical way is to simply give credit in the prose of the paper, just as you would for an unpublished result that someone told you out loud at a conference." CreationDate="2017-11-12T20:10:22.787" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="15335" PostId="3460" Score="0" Text="Did you try to email the user? There is an email address at the user page." CreationDate="2017-11-30T19:30:22.287" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="16209" PostId="3460" Score="0" Text="A related (recent) post on Academia Stack Exchange: [How to acknowledge a MathOverflow user?](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/107963)" CreationDate="2018-04-12T13:35:40.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15245" PostId="3461" Score="0" Text="I don't think the link is needed; this is not really different than a personal communication." CreationDate="2017-11-12T20:07:30.097" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="15248" PostId="3461" Score="1" Text="It’s extra information, and it’s no effort." CreationDate="2017-11-12T21:00:49.907" UserId="1266" />
  <row Id="15324" PostId="3462" Score="0" Text="what if there's no answer after a week?" CreationDate="2017-11-29T03:18:16.340" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="15325" PostId="3462" Score="2" Text="Then post on math.overflow.  Bear in mind that, just because a question on math.stackechange does not get a useful response, it does not guarantee that it is suitable on math.overflow." CreationDate="2017-11-29T13:15:37.623" UserId="1266" />
  <row Id="15226" PostId="3463" Score="1" Text="Well -- imagine the pseudonymous user changes their pseudonym, or even chooses to switch to their real name at some point. -- How does a citation by pseudonym look like then?" CreationDate="2017-11-04T23:21:16.583" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15227" PostId="3463" Score="19" Text="@StefanKohl: Not sure that is such a big deal.  I think that readers of my papers are sophisticated enough to realize that the internet is not a static thing.  The important things are that 1. the argument is correct, and 2. it is given in my paper (in case it is deleted from the internet at some future date), and 3. I did the best job I could at attributing it to the right person." CreationDate="2017-11-04T23:24:09.617" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="15234" PostId="3463" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl the citation could/should list their MO user page, which is identified by a unique number. There are a lot of &quot;what ifs&quot; that prevent readers down the track looking up stuff; but maths is a lot better than subjects where an unjustified statement is made with a citation to &quot;Private communication&quot;." CreationDate="2017-11-06T22:40:03.220" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="15237" PostId="3463" Score="0" Text="Reproducing is always better than just referencing, but I'm not sure if this answers the question about the citation format :)" CreationDate="2017-11-08T09:29:34.857" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="15590" PostId="3463" Score="1" Text="It has probably something to do with versions, but it is the bottom page 22 now instead of the top of page 20" CreationDate="2017-12-27T13:14:37.453" UserId="41139" />
  <row Id="16210" PostId="3463" Score="1" Text="It would be helpful to update the online PDF to add proper links to the text. Thanks to a ligature, the link to the relevant answer doesn't copy/paste properly." CreationDate="2018-04-12T16:38:08.403" UserId="32804" />
  <row Id="15236" PostId="3465" Score="2" Text="This is nice, but it's an URL in a footnote, not a proper citation. I think the OP wants the latter, as he wants to rely on the proof." CreationDate="2017-11-08T09:27:10.543" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="15246" PostId="3465" Score="0" Text="@darij grinberg: for something that is not published in a permanent format, a footnote may indeed be the most appropriate citation. I would generally not put ephemeral things like emails, letters, or anonymous website comments in the references section. They can be acknowledged in the prose of the article. The same would go if someone told you the result orally at a departmental tea - MO is not really different than that, in my opinion." CreationDate="2017-11-12T20:08:36.270" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="15249" PostId="3465" Score="0" Text="@CarlMummert: MO is not ephemeral; it is archived on [the Internet Archive](https://archive.org/details/stackexchange) under a license that makes mirroring easy. More likely that various currently existing journals will disappear." CreationDate="2017-11-12T21:47:13.497" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="15250" PostId="3465" Score="0" Text="@darij grinberg: I suppose it depends on what we mean by ephemeral. For printed journals on paper, we have a good sense that they should be readable in thousands of years. For MO, I'm not sure we have that sense; I do view it more as the equivalent of a letter than the equivalent of a paper.  (Of course, I doubt people will want to read most current math papers in thousands of years...  )" CreationDate="2017-11-12T21:57:48.537" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="15251" PostId="3465" Score="1" Text="@CarlMummert: Modern paper isn't like that. But even for the more immediate future, the survival of paper journals is far from guaranteed. When I was at MIT, it was in a process of throwing away journals that had been scanned by the publishers (e.g., Elsevier journals). Even barring this, nowadays most universities only subscribe electronically. When I publish in a &quot;paper&quot; journal, I cannot rule out that my paper never ends up seeing a printer." CreationDate="2017-11-12T22:15:10.523" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="15297" PostId="3486" Score="4" Text="It seems that this question discusses migration paths in general: [What outgoing migration paths should we have?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/141) Her are two more posts about specific sites where you can also find more details: [Stack Overflow Reference in Out of topic flag](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2860) and  [Option to migrate to CS Theory](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/572)." CreationDate="2017-11-26T07:34:48.547" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15299" PostId="3486" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you for providing highly relevant information as usual. In principle it is now clear that my question is superseded by several others, but I still would like to leave it open as additional evidence for extending that list with (at least) physics.SE" CreationDate="2017-11-26T07:38:55.830" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="16360" PostId="3486" Score="4" Text="Possible duplicate of [Migration to Physics.SE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3428/migration-to-physics-se)" CreationDate="2018-05-21T13:38:48.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15306" PostId="3487" Score="7" Text="On Stack Overflow, the admin response was &quot;nah, they're harmless as long as they don't post anything.&quot; The SEO effect should be minimal (the HTML has all the necessary `nofollow` etc tags) even though the admins here could IMHO reasonably take a different stance." CreationDate="2017-11-27T13:26:20.227" UserId="100291" />
  <row Id="15310" PostId="3487" Score="3" Text="This older posts seems - to some extent - related: [Companies accounts allowed?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3178)" CreationDate="2017-11-27T15:39:00.333" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15316" PostId="3487" Score="1" Text="The link now leads to a 404." CreationDate="2017-11-27T21:51:21.867" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15322" PostId="3487" Score="1" Text="Related on Meta.SE: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303746/spam-profiles-are-getting-my-goat-could-we-have-better-tools-for-mods-to-deal-w" CreationDate="2017-11-28T07:05:30.173" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="15307" PostId="3488" Score="5" Text="I'd say the problem would mostly vanish if user accounts would be publicly visible only if they have made at least one post which is not deleted." CreationDate="2017-11-27T14:53:57.027" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15308" PostId="3488" Score="11" Text="Intriguing suggestion, Stefan." CreationDate="2017-11-27T14:58:58.190" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15311" PostId="3488" Score="5" Text="@StefanKohl https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/303751/295232" CreationDate="2017-11-27T16:29:18.837" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="15312" PostId="3488" Score="5" Text="On PO we get this kind of &quot;About&quot; spam accounts too, sometimes containing very nasty and disgusting links, and we decided to destroy them on first sight. Maybe a dedicated thread (similar to the request for reopen votes) for reporting such spam accounts (one per answer) would be useful here? The corresponding answers could then be marked by the keyword [DESTROYED] or something like that as soon as a moderator has dealt with it." CreationDate="2017-11-27T16:31:56.970" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="15336" PostId="3488" Score="3" Text="the list of spammy autobiography badges grows every hour (two dozen new ones just from today), it seems some sort of corrective action is needed: https://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/9/autobiographer" CreationDate="2017-12-01T11:03:09.783" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="15337" PostId="3488" Score="3" Text="@CarloBeenakker Many thanks. I've just destroyed a whole bunch of obviously spam accounts. The majority of recently awarded autobiographer badges that were on page 1 (of 328 or so) were in fact for Car Insurance agencies and the like, but there were only a few on page 2. So I wonder if the spate is pretty recent in nature." CreationDate="2017-12-01T13:54:56.650" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15309" PostId="3489" Score="3" Text="Destroying a spam account takes only a few seconds, so it's not a big deal (to me, anyway) if this happens only occasionally." CreationDate="2017-11-27T15:01:44.613" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15313" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="Ah, you're lucky. On Ask Different, we get like a dozen spammers per day." CreationDate="2017-11-27T18:38:27.497" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="15317" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="Without meaning to doubt Glorfindel, only to make sure that the post reflects community consensus, could someone else confirm that the correct action is to custom-flag one of my own posts?" CreationDate="2017-11-27T21:57:00.743" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="15318" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="(I also mention, in case the hair-fine distinction is worth it, that my objection was not to what was on the &quot;About me&quot; page, but to the account name itself, which had a specific company's name embedded in it.)" CreationDate="2017-11-27T21:57:39.127" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="15320" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Re: &quot;can someone else confirm...&quot;. There is a meta.SE post linked in the answer. Here is another one related to your question: [How should I flag a user account if it has no posts to flag?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/128618)" CreationDate="2017-11-28T01:22:54.773" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15323" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@LSpice There are also MO General Chat and MO Editors chat channels, and I frequently see the moderators talking in there.  If you flag them in there, they will receive notifications, I believe." CreationDate="2017-11-28T20:44:00.753" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="15326" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="@HarryGindi By &quot;flag&quot; do you mean [ping](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/ping/info)? Flags in chat are handled entirely differently from flags on the main site. (In particular, they don't go to MO mods even if the room is associated with MO.) I suppose the room you are have in mind are [MathOverrflow](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/9369/mathoverflow) and [MO editors' lounge](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/10243/mo-editors-lounge)." CreationDate="2017-11-29T14:11:23.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15327" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes, sorry." CreationDate="2017-11-29T14:23:55.197" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="15331" PostId="3492" Score="2" Text="I am sure that the foundation tags are completely disjoint in the two sites, by the way. :)" CreationDate="2017-11-30T08:02:03.833" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15332" PostId="3492" Score="0" Text="I certainly agree. There are probably a few more tags where meaning of the tag with the same name is slightly different (and sometimes entirely different) on the two sites. Still, the software only checks whether there is a tag with the *same name* (or synonym with the same name) when deciding whether the migration is rejected." CreationDate="2017-11-30T08:05:35.517" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15333" PostId="3492" Score="1" Text="Yes yes, of course. I was merely pointing out this observation that seems amusing to me, migrating a question about foundations to physics.SE... :) In an unrelated topic, do you know how we can find the intrinsic tags of a given site?" CreationDate="2017-11-30T08:06:40.890" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15334" PostId="3492" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I have asked on meta.SE whether it is possible in some way to find all intrinsic tags for some given site: [Is it possible to find out which are intrinsic tags for a given site?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/303868) In this specific case it is explicitly mentioned in [this post on Physics meta](https://physics.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5446/burninate-the-physics-tag/5451#5451) that (physics) is an intrinsic tag on that site. I have updated my answer to reflect this." CreationDate="2017-11-30T08:32:47.963" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15340" PostId="3493" Score="2" Text="Yes, please provide a more detailed description." CreationDate="2017-12-03T02:18:50.093" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15341" PostId="3493" Score="0" Text="Is it even possible for a post with several responses at 100+ upvotes to be deleted?" CreationDate="2017-12-03T02:43:59.037" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15342" PostId="3493" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson yeah that's what I've been thinking. So I'm having a psychosis now ... either my recollection is very wrong in at least one aspect, or I'm using the search functionality wrong." CreationDate="2017-12-03T03:23:28.103" UserId="100250" />
  <row Id="15345" PostId="3493" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Something like that is indeed highly unlikely. As you know [from your experience](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19042/requests-for-reopen-undeletion-votes-etc-volume-01-2015-current-versio/21191#21191), questions can be deleted. But with such high score the question would require delete votes from 10 users. (And, of course, it would have been closed first.) I have summarized deletion criteria in my answer." CreationDate="2017-12-03T05:12:14.757" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15346" PostId="3493" Score="1" Text="I have added some tags, but feel free to edit them @LeeDavidChungLin (or anybody else) if you think they are not a good fit. I have added (deleted-questions) since that was part of your original question. However, it seems that the main intention was to find one specific question, which is why I added (searching) and (specific-question)." CreationDate="2017-12-03T05:15:00.140" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15344" PostId="3494" Score="0" Text="Thank you. I'm really glad you found it for me, but I apologize for not solving this myself and for wasting everybody's time. I was SO SURE that the upvotes were 100+ and that it was &quot;expectation&quot; and not &quot;expected value&quot;. BTW, this shows that the text in comments cannot be searched." CreationDate="2017-12-03T04:11:54.140" UserId="100250" />
  <row Id="15347" PostId="3495" Score="0" Text="This is actually really helpful. Thank you." CreationDate="2017-12-03T05:55:51.097" UserId="100250" />
  <row Id="15358" PostId="3501" Score="0" Text="At least to help you with this specific case it would be probably useful to see the source of the post. Does the system allow you to add it to this question? If not, could you share it somewhere online (like pastebin or [something similar](https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/17992/is-there-a-pastebin-for-markdown))?" CreationDate="2017-12-07T13:11:07.457" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15359" PostId="3501" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak should have thought of this myself @_@" CreationDate="2017-12-07T13:13:07.593" UserId="118059" />
  <row Id="15360" PostId="3501" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Also added pastebin variant. Surprisingly, I triggered their spam detection, too." CreationDate="2017-12-07T13:14:57.970" UserId="118059" />
  <row Id="15361" PostId="3501" Score="0" Text="It is strange that I was able to post exactly the same question on Mathematics without any problem. (I have immediately deleted it - I have done this just as a test. I will [add a link](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2555458/is-the-inverse-of-surreal-numbers-actually-well-defined) but it will work only for 10k+ users.) The only constructive suggestion I have is to post a part of the question and add rest in the edits (or other users might help you with editing). However, I am not sure whether this is going to work." CreationDate="2017-12-07T13:18:17.567" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15362" PostId="3501" Score="1" Text="Maybe we could continue this discussion (about experiments with the post) in chat: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2017/12/7 (Just in order not to leave too many comments here.)" CreationDate="2017-12-07T13:18:59.287" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15363" PostId="3501" Score="0" Text="Generally spam filters are more forgiving to &quot;more established users&quot;. If you have another question, shorter, with perhaps less math to it, it might be worth trying to post it first, get some good reactions, and then try to post this one." CreationDate="2017-12-07T13:23:10.357" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15364" PostId="3502" Score="0" Text="I do not know how the spam filters work either.  One thing I've noticed in the post above is the (compared to the bulk of posts on MathOverflow) excessive use of &quot;I&quot;.  In general, I don't have a problem with this, but to be blunt, I am more interested in the math than the description of your involvement of it.  That last clause is partly wrong, I AM interested in your journey, but the point is the spam filter may not be.  Gerhard &quot;Math Has Personality; Emphasize That&quot; Paseman, 2017.12.07." CreationDate="2017-12-07T16:13:21.813" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15365" PostId="3503" Score="0" Text="This older post (which I also linked in my answer) seems related: [MathJax on Chat](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/44)." CreationDate="2017-12-09T08:04:44.647" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15366" PostId="3504" Score="3" Text="Thanks for the clear and comprehensive answer! Yeah, the system resources are limited, but so is human time and patience, so we always have to find some trade-off that doesn't exhaust either one if we want a smooth operation of both components :-). So far what you suggested satisfies my needs, so the case is closed as far as I'm concerned. Upvoting and accepting." CreationDate="2017-12-10T00:43:27.510" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15398" PostId="3504" Score="7" Text="Personally, I am not convinced by this explanation. Mathjax renders client-side, so when they write &quot;big strain on the system&quot; they surely mean on the client's system, not on their server. And rendering a few formulas can't be too much of a strain --- there are hundreds of them in some Q&amp;A pages. And Mathjax can re-render selectively parts of a page. Maybe they really meant &quot;we do not wish to invest the resources to implement it&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-12-13T15:07:55.770" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="15399" PostId="3504" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Maybe my wording was not ideal, but what I wrote is based on how I understood this: &quot;This request was discussed by the team on April 9th, 2014. The potential rendering cost would be such that it would need to be a per-room *and* per-user option; this would then create a situation where users would potentially never be sure how their messages would look to other readers - in other words, little better than the user-script solution currently available.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-12-13T15:10:32.450" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15400" PostId="3504" Score="0" Text="Just to make it absolutely clear, the wording &quot;it would create too big strain on the system&quot; is mine. It is based on my  understanding of what I read elsewhere. (See the links in the answer.) Since I do not now much about programming websites, it is entirely plausible that I might have misunderstood something." CreationDate="2017-12-13T15:16:11.100" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15523" PostId="3504" Score="2" Text="I'd like to second Federico's comment from 4 years ago.  If mathjax is installed as it is on Mathoverflow pages, there is essentially no cost to the server.  All that happens is that the server tells our browsers to download and run a javascript from another site.  It is our browsers and not the server that does the download and our browsers that render and display any tex that appears on the page.  So the server does almost nothing." CreationDate="2017-12-21T13:04:02.893" UserId="9025" />
  <row Id="15524" PostId="3504" Score="0" Text="@BrendanMcKay To avoid confusion of people reading your comment (including me), which comment are you referring to? You are referring to &quot;Federico's comment&quot; - the comment by Federico Poloni was posted about a week ago (timestamp is 2017-12-13) - and you are also mention comments from 4 years ago, which suggests you mean a completely different comment." CreationDate="2017-12-21T13:28:31.737" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15529" PostId="3504" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak  Sorry.  I was referring to the comment of Federico on Dec 13 (somehow I read it as Dec 2013; shows how much attention I was paying)." CreationDate="2017-12-22T02:31:32.083" UserId="9025" />
  <row Id="15367" PostId="3506" Score="1" Text="I see that you've been registered as a user for only a couple of days, so you may not be fully aware how things work around here. MO meta is to be used for questions regarding actions and policies of MathOverflow as a StackExchange site. It is for example legitimate to inquire why a question was closed, i.e., what general MO guidelines led to a decision to close. (We actually have a dedicated thread for reopening inquiries.) But taking an opinion poll on whether a certain form of research investigation would be mathematically worthwhile seems to me to be off-topic for this site." CreationDate="2017-12-10T14:11:15.370" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15368" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble - thanks for taking the time to give me some guidance on this, Todd - really appreciate it.  I will leave it to the discretion of the moderators as to whether this is or isn't a legit queston &quot;about the MathOverflow community&quot;.  If not, perhaps the wording of the baseline instruction description should be changed ????" CreationDate="2017-12-10T14:21:56.197" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15369" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="Some form of the question that you've asked here might work at MathOverflow; as I see it, it's more of a mathematical question than a site policy question. But I anticipate many would see it as borderline appropriate there, so it would probably have to be done carefully. I think if you tweaked the question above to: &quot;would the following inquiry be appropriate for MO?&quot;, then it would be *fully* appropriate for MO meta, and you might get some good ideas on how to turn your poll into a good MO question." CreationDate="2017-12-10T14:33:41.720" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15370" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble - thanks for the suggestion ! Will do !!!" CreationDate="2017-12-10T14:38:16.663" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15373" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="&quot;I will leave it to the discretion of the moderators as to whether this is or isn't a legit queston....&quot; It's not up to the discretion of the moderators. Any user who has enough points, moderator or not, can choose to vote to close this question. Further, if there are enough votes to close, then users can vote to delete." CreationDate="2017-12-10T22:30:08.283" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15374" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson - thanks as always for the clarification, Gerry.  But please note that I did take Todd's advice and &quot;tweak&quot; the title of the question . . . so perhaps the issue won't even arise . . ." CreationDate="2017-12-10T22:37:56.817" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15447" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman - I would like to ask if you consider this question of &quot;general interest&quot;: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2568623/if-e-6-arises-within-e-8-does-e-8-also-arise-from-e-6.  I ask this question because if you agree that this question is of general interest, it is difficult for me to see how you can at the same time claim that the question here is NOT of general interest.  If you don't have time to respond, please don't feel obliged.  Just wanted to bring this to your attention." CreationDate="2017-12-16T00:50:42.917" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15371" PostId="3507" Score="0" Text="Although I make an implicit assumption that the situation prompting this is a graduate student versus advisor situation, the reasons apply to other dynamics as well even if the specifics don't . So imagine also versions of my response tailored to research team, or lab director versus funding organization.  Gerhard &quot;Let's Make It Widely Applicable&quot; Paseman, 2017.12.10." CreationDate="2017-12-10T16:50:28.290" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15372" PostId="3507" Score="0" Text="thanks so much for that thoughtful response.  I think you may have a valid point that the question would be too narrow and therefore not interesting to many.  But I do disagree about your characterization of the question - I am not at all asking whether it's worth studying a particular research problem.  Rather, I am asking why mathematicians might not consider it uself to use a particular tool that might be applicable in many different research problems, not just mine.  I any event, thanks so much again for your response." CreationDate="2017-12-10T17:03:47.507" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15375" PostId="3508" Score="9" Text="Hear, hear. This problem has come up numerous times, on the other side as well where non-expert reviewers also vote to *close* when they shouldn't, using some superficial criteria. I think it's the latter which bothers me much more, since it discourages new people from wanting to participate." CreationDate="2017-12-12T16:02:59.417" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15385" PostId="3508" Score="3" Text="@Stefan: If I start voting to close arbitrary number theory questions as off topic, would you find that &quot;keeping the community together&quot;? Or would you find that detrimental, since it serves to bring chaos, misinformation, and mystify the correct usage and maybe even the correct mathematical results that can be posted here?" CreationDate="2017-12-12T23:50:56.870" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15387" PostId="3508" Score="3" Text="@Stefan: But that's the point, that I also accept the fact that for the most part, even if something &quot;looks clear&quot;, it might be complete nonsense ***because*** I know absolutely nothing about research level number theory. I don't understand why you won't extend the same courtesy to other fields." CreationDate="2017-12-13T00:01:48.000" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15388" PostId="3508" Score="3" Text="To clarify. I'm not saying that &quot;only experts should review stuff&quot;. I'm saying that people who are *not* expert should remember that they are *not experts*, and therefore might not be qualified to judge the content of a post, even if it *doesn't* look like immediate crap.  And it's better to leave this post for &quot;the next person&quot;, until it reaches the moderators which can call upon an actual expert if need be to be the judge of quality (or see who raised the flag, and judge by that)." CreationDate="2017-12-13T00:02:43.863" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15390" PostId="3508" Score="1" Text="+1 Todd. (am too sleep-deprived to offer my own two cents)" CreationDate="2017-12-13T00:37:23.063" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="15416" PostId="3508" Score="2" Text="Whoever voted to close as unclear, I'd be very happy to clarify, if I understand what is unclear. I'm asking for a banner to be added to the review system to remind people *that skipping a question is not a bad idea* if the topic of the post is outside their area of expertise. This, I hope, will help to reduce the terrible reviews and closure votes (from the review system, anyway) that people sometimes do unintentionally due to lack of experience." CreationDate="2017-12-14T11:33:02.413" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15377" PostId="3509" Score="2" Text="C'mon, it's not like specialists are the only people who post reasonable (or even *good*) questions. That's a big fallacy right there. But I certainly don't expect someone who is not a set theorist to write a good answer on a technical and subtle topic. Do you? And since there are still people who do that, it happens that these posts get flagged from time to time as well. So now someone who is not an expert might say &quot;oh, yeah, that looks fine&quot;. And you have a crap answer left visible. I don't see how your &quot;backfire&quot; scenario is even close to reality..." CreationDate="2017-12-12T20:51:04.967" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15378" PostId="3509" Score="1" Text="I guess I don't understand the reality of which you speak.  Isn't the problematic scenario like the following? Q posts question or answer P on subject S.  P gets reviewed by me (I am ignorant of lots of things), and I make the wrong choice: either P is not nonsense and I reject it because I have some reason to think it bad, or P is nonsense but I find it intriguing and encourage it.  Someone who knows subject S (but may not have review privileges) can see my mistake clearly. Gerhard &quot;Or Is It Something Else?&quot; Paseman, 2017.12.12." CreationDate="2017-12-12T20:58:08.620" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15379" PostId="3509" Score="3" Text="Well, if you are not sure it's garbage, or see that there is some interaction which hints of this being high quality... ***SKIP!***" CreationDate="2017-12-12T20:59:00.017" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15380" PostId="3509" Score="1" Text="Except that is not what you and your solution (as I understand it) are advocating. You are saying (more correctly, I am reading). &quot;Hey, you're not a set theorist, leave the set theory question for someone else to review.&quot;. So you are encouraging me to skip the review because set theory is not my specialty.  Gerhard &quot;Saying Doesn't Matter. Reading Does&quot; Paseman, 2017.12.12." CreationDate="2017-12-12T21:08:50.317" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15381" PostId="3509" Score="1" Text="My solution advocates that there is a banner reminding people that if they are not 100% sure about something which is outside their area of expertise, they should skip." CreationDate="2017-12-12T21:16:39.827" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15382" PostId="3509" Score="1" Text="If there were enough expertise in the review system to ensure the post does not get skipped by everybody, your solution might help.  I see a different reality unfolding.  I suspect your solution influences material away from community improvement (as well as community interference).  I think a better solution is to train the community to improve more and interfere less by guided action than by guided inaction.  However, I am not a moderator or forum designer.  Perhaps the moderators and forum designers will adopt your suggestion.  Gerhard &quot;Has Had His (Matterless) Say&quot; Paseman, 2017.12.12." CreationDate="2017-12-12T21:30:40.280" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15383" PostId="3509" Score="0" Text="I found that the moderators on the site handle about 50% of my LQ flags anyway." CreationDate="2017-12-12T21:31:51.173" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15389" PostId="3509" Score="1" Text="After Stefan Kohl also raised similar concerns, I posted a clarification." CreationDate="2017-12-13T00:06:16.027" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15391" PostId="3510" Score="4" Text="I don't know what counts as a &quot;decisive conclusion&quot; on MO – we don't have a legislature or a police force – but from what I've seen, we always close questions asking whether unpublished work is correct." CreationDate="2017-12-13T10:36:48.397" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15392" PostId="3510" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson Yes I agree with that policy, I am just concerned that we do not have anything definite to tell the OP in this case. The closure reason that appears there, `This question does not appear to be about research level mathematics within the scope defined in the help center.` does not quite apply I believe. And, although I agree with the comment 	&#xA;`&quot;Is this preprint correct&quot; questions are off topic.`,  I don't know how to answer the question &quot;How would I know they are off topic?&quot;." CreationDate="2017-12-13T10:53:30.747" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15393" PostId="3510" Score="0" Text="I don't see what we could do to let people know, before they post, that such questions are off-topic. We could put it in some documentation somewhere, but who reads that documentation before they post? I think we're condemned to react after the fact." CreationDate="2017-12-13T10:57:24.117" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15394" PostId="3510" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson maybe; my problem is not so much that I do not want to react post factum, rather that I do not know how to react." CreationDate="2017-12-13T11:00:04.560" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15395" PostId="3510" Score="0" Text="This seems a bit related to your question about RH: [What should be the policy on “open problems” on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/360)" CreationDate="2017-12-13T11:03:08.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15396" PostId="3510" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes thanks this is closely related of course. I did not notice it. I believe it is by former user `quid`, right?" CreationDate="2017-12-13T11:06:23.990" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15397" PostId="3510" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson Re: *but who reads that documentation before they post?* Judging by the number of users [having Informed badge](https://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/79/informed), probably some users read at least basic information about MO before posting here. &#xA;Re: *what we could do to let people know, before they post*. Maybe not with this specific problem, but this proposal might help to reduce the number of off-topic questions at least a bit (sorry for the self-promotion): [Should users be shown some basic information before posting the first question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3386)" CreationDate="2017-12-13T11:36:23.237" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15764" PostId="3510" Score="1" Text="Bit late to the party, but this question I think is as close to &quot;policy&quot; as I've seen https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1265" CreationDate="2018-01-07T19:31:34.200" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="15770" PostId="3510" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Using Math Overflow to check whether or not a proof is correct](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1265/using-math-overflow-to-check-whether-or-not-a-proof-is-correct)" CreationDate="2018-01-08T03:30:57.373" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15771" PostId="3510" Score="0" Text="@j.c. Thanks for finding it, definitely this is a duplicate" CreationDate="2018-01-08T03:31:38.287" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15402" PostId="3512" Score="14" Text="Whence the assumption that the only possible value of a downvote lies in its ability to educate?" CreationDate="2017-12-13T23:50:11.180" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="15403" PostId="3512" Score="1" Text="@StevenLandsburg - unless you're thinking of downvotes as a control mechanism for preventing trollish contributors from gaining certain privs that would increase their capacity to harm the site, or for discouraging their further participation at the site, I don't see what purpose a downvote could serve OTHER than educative . .. ." CreationDate="2017-12-13T23:54:31.193" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15404" PostId="3512" Score="2" Text="Bravo to the downvoter of THIS question !!!! I like and appreciate his or her sense of humor, very much !" CreationDate="2017-12-14T00:54:18.153" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15405" PostId="3512" Score="15" Text="Your list of (good) reasons omits these:  1)  Sending a message to new visitors that this is not the typical quality of question you're going to find here, so you might want to stick around; 2)  Keeping the question off the front page, so those new visitors don't see it in the first place; 3) Keeping the question off the front page, so existing users don't have to deal with the clutter." CreationDate="2017-12-14T01:49:17.780" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="15406" PostId="3512" Score="2" Text="@StevenLandsburg - all good points which completely eluded me.  Thanks! BUT- all three of your objectives, in my opinion, could actually be better accomplished if a rationale was required as to why a particular question was deemed &quot;not typical of quality&quot;.  In the absence of such rationales, I believe I was correct to say that all boards beoome more prone to degeneration in their social psychologies." CreationDate="2017-12-14T01:55:40.297" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15407" PostId="3512" Score="8" Text="Somewhat related older discussion from this meta: [Completely Unexplained Downvotes](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/398). As a side note - would the same apply to upvotes? (Would you expect people who upvote a question to leave a comment explaining why they upvoted?)" CreationDate="2017-12-14T02:34:49.403" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15408" PostId="3512" Score="5" Text="I will add to your comment about *control mechanism* that downvotes *can* work this way. If a user has many downvoted/closed questions, they automatically get into [question ban](https://mathoverflow.net/help/question-bans)." CreationDate="2017-12-14T02:38:02.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15409" PostId="3512" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak - thanks so much for taking the time to recall and post that link.  Regarding upvotes, I could actually see a small pop-up (such as those which hotels etc. use to get after-visit feeback) in which the upvoter was required to choose at least one of multiple categories indicating reason for upvote - as polar extremes in this pop-up, one might have originality and technical virtuousity (since these are all too often mutually exclusive)" CreationDate="2017-12-14T02:39:19.493" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15410" PostId="3512" Score="5" Text="Probably it's worth mentioning that users below 2k reputation are shown a tooltip reminding them that it might be useful (but not obligatory) to accompany downvote with a comment. For more details, see this meta.SE post: [Encouraging people to explain downvotes](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/135)." CreationDate="2017-12-14T02:48:28.730" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15412" PostId="3512" Score="7" Text="&quot;I have been on enough web boards in both the arts and sciences that I have learned not to be bothered by downvotes in and of themselves.&quot; I have been on enough internet groups not to be bothered by people who have been here for a week trying to tell people who have been here for years how to run their business. But I still am. Anyway, this has been discussed to death on many previous occasions." CreationDate="2017-12-14T07:07:50.467" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15414" PostId="3512" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson - I feel very bad that you chose to interpret my comment as arising from brashness, and equally glad that others apparently have not.  If you take a moment to visit my FB page, you'll see that I'm more than a bit of a Graecophile, and it is in an Ancient Greek context that I assure you of the fact that for me, this site is truly a gift from the gods for people in my particular position.  That being said, I feel compelled to ask if you recall the famous story about Bolyai's son (I think it was Bolyai's son, if my memory serves me correctly.)" CreationDate="2017-12-14T08:41:07.497" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15431" PostId="3512" Score="7" Text="David:  Because you are new here, you might not be aware that , by long-standing tradition, downvotes have a different meaning on meta than they do on the main site.  On the main site, downvotes mean something like &quot;This is not a good question&quot;.  On meta, they mean something more like &quot;This might (or might not) be a perfectly good question, but  I disagree with the opinion it expressses.&quot;  I mention this to help you put the many downvotes you've gotten here in context." CreationDate="2017-12-14T16:11:56.470" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="15432" PostId="3512" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg - thanks for the clarification - I assumed that was the case, so am glad you confirmed it.  As I said earlier - downvotes don't BOTHER me, but I do want to understand them correctly, and you're helping me to do that . . ." CreationDate="2017-12-14T16:31:49.603" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15413" PostId="3518" Score="0" Text="This is not really relevant to your question, but since you have mentioned it: If by &quot;redirection to MSE should be done with a crushing blow of an iron fist&quot; you mean [migration](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/migration/info) to MSE, there are good reasons to avoid migration in the case of low-quality questions. Main one is that such questions would be immediately closed there, which leads to rejection to the migration. (As I've mentioned this is only tangential - and I suppose this has been discussed here before.)" CreationDate="2017-12-14T07:56:41.500" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15415" PostId="3518" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak No, I don't mean automatic migration. That one is completely OK: the question is preserved in the system, just handled elsewhere. And &quot;pre-calculus homework&quot; refers to the level of mathematics involved, not to the quality of the question in terms of clarity, etc. Anyway, as you said, it is tangential :-)" CreationDate="2017-12-14T11:13:32.207" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15417" PostId="3518" Score="6" Text="Typically, closure is accompanied with one of a few canned messages, e.g., the one mentioning Math.SE as a site for general questions in mathematics, and no other accompanying comments. Is that an example of intolerance or use of an iron fist? I'm trying to get an exact idea of what you mean." CreationDate="2017-12-14T11:47:13.670" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15418" PostId="3518" Score="6" Text="@ToddTrimble The &quot;not research level&quot; canned message is somewhat irritating the way it is formulated now (the rest are reasonable), but I rather mean the speed of closure, comments like &quot;We are doing research here&quot;, absence of any hints as to what the solution is when it takes one line to give a full answer or a good advice, voting to close without being able to solve the problem, etc. My own way to handle reasonable questions that do not belong to MO can be seen here: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/288481/prove-that-the-following-set-of-triples-forms-a-convex-polytope#comment714351_288481" CreationDate="2017-12-14T12:30:20.170" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15419" PostId="3518" Score="11" Text="Thanks, fedja. I think a concern a lot of people have with answering in comments is that it will attract still more questions deemed too &quot;low level&quot; for MO. (I agree with you though that a lot of snap decisions to close are made where the question does not seem at all trivial, at least not to me. I struggle every day with this.) One thing I've done, if I feel a question really would be better asked at Math.SE, is say, &quot;if you ask at Math.SE, I would be happy to answer there&quot;." CreationDate="2017-12-14T12:37:25.403" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15420" PostId="3518" Score="4" Text="@ToddTrimble The point is that I would prefer to send a person away (when he needs to be sent away)  a) with a full answer to his request, b) without any comments or canned messages that any normal person will interpret as &quot;your problem is beneath us&quot;, c) with a clear idea where to ask similar questions next time (if applicable)." CreationDate="2017-12-14T12:38:12.373" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15421" PostId="3518" Score="12" Text="**it will attract still more questions deemed too &quot;low level&quot;*** From newcomers? Do you think they scroll the history before posting? Of course, if somebody is told to use MSE twice and still posts the same level question on MO, the iron fist is appropriate, but most people exhibit some common sense when treated politely. And a question that is &quot;too low level for MO&quot; but otherwise clear and reasonable can be migrated to MSE and answered there. I have no problem with that, but we often just vote to close without migration in such cases. ." CreationDate="2017-12-14T12:48:43.667" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15422" PostId="3518" Score="8" Text="I doubt people are going to check the history to see whether someone has been told to use Math.SE more than once. Actually, now that you bring it up, the fact that many newcomers *don't* even glance at MO first to see what kind of site it is before posting is itself part of the problem. As for migration: as Martin said, that can be tricky. What people here might consider clear and reasonable might not be considered reasonable at Math.SE, since they usually want to see some effort from the poster to solve it himself or herself." CreationDate="2017-12-14T13:02:33.767" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15423" PostId="3518" Score="3" Text="To add to the above comments concerning MO $\to$ MSE migration, people with sufficient reputation can check migration stats on [MathOverflow](https://mathoverflow.net/tools/posts/migrated/stats) or on [Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/tools/posts/migrated/stats). From the migrations done in the last 90 days, 20% got rejected." CreationDate="2017-12-14T13:06:19.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15424" PostId="3518" Score="7" Text="@ToddTrimble **Actually, now that you bring it up, the fact that many newcomers don't even glance at MO first to see what kind of site it is before posting is itself part of the problem** Yes, it is. However, my point is that many of them may just not have sufficient qualifications to figure that out even if they stare at it for an hour (it is still quite mysterious even for myself). They just know that what they want to ask is &quot;mathematics&quot; (which is correct in 90% of the cases) and that MO is a mathematics Q&amp;A site." CreationDate="2017-12-14T13:14:39.117" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15425" PostId="3518" Score="21" Text="@ToddTrimble So they just do exactly what I do when coming to some big and confusing bureaucratic building, which is to knock at the first office door that is unlocked, state my request, and wait for the instructions as to which floor to go to." CreationDate="2017-12-14T13:16:48.327" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15426" PostId="3518" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I agree with you that incorrect migration is just as bad as an unwarranted closure. Indeed, what was the point of migrating this one https://mathoverflow.net/questions/282730/proof-for-mini-batch-mini-batch-gradient-estimator say? Note that the migration was done on the same very &quot;not research level&quot; basis I abhor so much, while the real issue with the question is what I pointed out, say, here https://mathoverflow.net/questions/288411/find-percentage-value-of-expression-in-graph#comment714291_288411 Do you agree with this assessment?" CreationDate="2017-12-14T13:29:18.537" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15427" PostId="3518" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak And this https://mathoverflow.net/questions/288478/the-sobolev-space-w1-4 looks like a sure migration to me (if you disagree, let me know what is wrong with it for MSE). Let's see how it will end up (I'm not voting)" CreationDate="2017-12-14T13:52:24.947" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15428" PostId="3518" Score="1" Text="@fedja Since only 10k+ users can [view deleted posts](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/moderator-tools), I don't really see what your &quot;batch&quot; example actually said. If the contest is actually the same thing [I was able to get from Google Cache](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/41742590#41742590), then I think it was reasonable to expect that the post is going to be closed on the target site. To me it seems that post with such content should be closed (but not migrated)." CreationDate="2017-12-14T13:53:54.410" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15429" PostId="3518" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Yep, it is. And any person who would care to think of whether the question is clear or not instead of thinking whether it is up to his standard of research level or not would vote Close(Unclear what you are asking) instead of Migrate(Not research level). So IMHO it is still the same attitude I lament about and not a system defect or MO/MSE standard differences that leads to the high percentage of migration rejections you are unhappy with." CreationDate="2017-12-14T14:58:15.280" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15430" PostId="3518" Score="1" Text="@fedja It seems to me that we have digressed from your original problem to question what should and what should not be migrated. If we want to continue this discussion, maybe it would be better to do so [in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2017/12/14), so that we do not leave here too many comments that are unrelated to the issue at hand." CreationDate="2017-12-14T15:02:27.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15507" PostId="3518" Score="11" Text="I logged out and checked what mathoverflow.net looked like. It has a prominent message saying, &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians.&quot; This seems perfectly clear to me. People know whether or not they're professional mathematicians. I'm a physicist, not a mathematician, and that's why I mostly lurk. My experience here has been that when I do participate in limited ways that are appropriate based on my area of competence, people have been very welcoming." CreationDate="2017-12-20T01:25:24.277" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="15508" PostId="3518" Score="4" Text="@BenCrowell Followed by &quot;Join them, it only takes a minute!&quot;, right? Many people read to the end and then the meaning of the message becomes a bit less obvious. Besides, in all honesty, I cannot count myself as a &quot;*professional* mathematician&quot; too. Terry and Timothy certainly are, but I'm way below that level. All I can say is that I'm trying to make my living doing and teaching mathematics and have managed to get away with it for the last 30 years or so. Also, &quot;mathematician&quot;, &quot;physicist&quot;, what's the difference? You speak the language fluently. I'm talking about people who don't." CreationDate="2017-12-20T04:51:42.707" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15526" PostId="3518" Score="0" Text="It's sad that new ideas are sometimes not tolerated.  If you haven't seen it before then it isn't real math sort of thing.   Maybe there should be a tag for new-idea.   I say this because a lot of times newcomers will present new ideas, that don't appear in professional research and because it's not being researched, it's not research-level.   But not everything can immediately be framed by an abstract research-level theory." CreationDate="2017-12-21T17:27:59.143" UserId="40321" />
  <row Id="15530" PostId="3518" Score="0" Text="Maybe pay attention to the fact that the tone of messages is usually more dry (which you can interpret as arrogant) to anonymous newcomers. Which, by the way, are possibly not all newcomers, but possibly posting with their tenth anonymous account." CreationDate="2017-12-22T04:36:43.927" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15589" PostId="3518" Score="0" Text="@BenCrowell In this way you have tested how the page looks for *unregistered users* - but I don't think that they are the only source of problematic question. Unregistered users were discussed before: [Should MathOverflow require registration to ask a question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3240)" CreationDate="2017-12-27T07:10:38.760" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15591" PostId="3518" Score="0" Text="A good example of such suppressing of a newcomer by initial downvotes (but in this concrete case with final happy-end) is this post:&#xA;https://mathoverflow.net/questions/277250/is-beta-mathbbn-homeomorphic-to-its-own-square/277251#277251" CreationDate="2017-12-27T20:41:52.827" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="15596" PostId="3518" Score="0" Text="&quot;. . .leave with the impression that mathematicians are utterly obnoxious and arrogant people. . .&quot;" CreationDate="2017-12-29T13:49:04.340" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15433" PostId="3519" Score="2" Text="Based on the response to date, it seems welcoming newcomers is at best a low priority for the community.  I'll wait a little longer to see how bad an idea this answer appears to the community. Gerhard &quot;Maybe Take Welcome Mat Inside&quot; Paseman, 2017.12.14." CreationDate="2017-12-14T21:17:24.403" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15448" PostId="3519" Score="7" Text="The response might have more to do with your opening statement that not many of us are &quot;people persons&quot;.  It's a wee bit insulting." CreationDate="2017-12-16T03:24:24.577" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="15449" PostId="3519" Score="2" Text="It may come across as insulting.  If it were false, I suspect the question would not be asked.  However, anyone who feels insulted by the first paragraph AND is a people person AND a professional mathematician AND a contributor to this forum AND is willing to serve in a capacity as greeter, let me know; I will edit my response, and you are welcome to downvote it again without comment.  Gerhard &quot;This Means Most People, Right?&quot; Paseman, 2017.12.15." CreationDate="2017-12-16T04:10:54.423" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15497" PostId="3519" Score="9" Text="If a newcomer is greeted with a custom signature that flouts stackexchange network rules, it may not promote the desired behavior on the site.  https://mathoverflow.net/help/behavior" CreationDate="2017-12-19T05:02:56.137" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="15434" PostId="3520" Score="0" Text="You helped me to see another aspect which I failed to mention in the question. As in this particular case, it was more important to let OP understand that it was a very low quality question since no information about that proof was provided at all, no effort whatsoever shown. There is a close reason &quot;too broad&quot; but it is not exactly relevant, especially taking into account the way it is formulated there. Maybe there must be another one, &quot;too short&quot; or something. I can imagine, if the question would be about a specific place in that proof, with some analysis, it could be even well received." CreationDate="2017-12-15T06:15:17.020" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15435" PostId="3521" Score="2" Text="A good question.  Should such requests be posted currently? no.  Is it desirable to add such a feature in the future?  That is the interesting question.  But likely it would not be in meta.mo, but in a new sub-part of mo.  See the corresponding &quot;jobs&quot; listings in Stack Overflow to see how it would work ... https://stackoverflow.com/jobs" CreationDate="2017-12-15T10:38:46.963" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="15436" PostId="3521" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar - thanks very much for taking the time to respond, and for providing a possible implementation template." CreationDate="2017-12-15T10:41:51.150" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15437" PostId="3521" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar - as you may have already guessed, I am presently ready, willing, and eager to take a new MO &quot;consultancy board&quot; on its maiden voyage." CreationDate="2017-12-15T11:02:23.183" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15438" PostId="3521" Score="1" Text="I'm very glad to see that at least one mathematician out there (the downvoter) is financially comfortable enough to be able to express disdain for side-work.  I wish there were more mathematicians in his or her position !!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" CreationDate="2017-12-15T14:25:28.253" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15439" PostId="3521" Score="1" Text="This reminds me of: [Is this question acceptable?: 100€ bounty: Do invariant measures maximize the integral?](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1212/100-bounty-do-invariant-measures-maximize-the-integral/). (Somewhat related meta.SE discussion: [Offering actual money as a bounty?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/25615)) Of course, this is different from what you are suggesting." CreationDate="2017-12-15T16:32:09.383" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15440" PostId="3521" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak - I think the key differentiator is scope of the &quot;RFS&quot;.  IF MO implements this idea, it might be wise to impose a minimum expectation, to discourage those willing to pay minor amounts for help with term papers, etc.  I have never contracted with a mathematician for less than 2000 US, sometimes as much as 5000-10000" CreationDate="2017-12-15T16:38:55.340" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15445" PostId="3521" Score="0" Text="It seems that what you suggest is a bit similar to [Stack Overflow Jobs](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/careers/info). (I have to admit I had only a cursory look at this service.)" CreationDate="2017-12-15T23:45:52.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15446" PostId="3521" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak - yes - that's also exactly what Gerald Edgar said in his very first response (see above.)" CreationDate="2017-12-16T00:05:15.757" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15441" PostId="3522" Score="0" Text="I hope you're saying that: i) you're not fundamentally opposed to the idea of a &quot;consultancy board&quot; as well as a &quot;jobs board&quot;; ii) any benefit to MO from this board would have to result from voluntary donations to MO from those who have used the board.  In any event. thanks as always for taking the time to respond." CreationDate="2017-12-15T18:27:18.530" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15443" PostId="3522" Score="0" Text="I'm not opposed to the idea. Indeed, I am quite willing to consult.  However, Stackexchange has formalized a similar notion AND had their lawyers check it.  I am opposed to formalization without appropriate care taken.  Gerhard &quot;That's An Advantage Of Informalization&quot; Paseman, 2017.12.15." CreationDate="2017-12-15T19:09:55.927" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15444" PostId="3522" Score="0" Text="the MSE formalization is actually operative at present?" CreationDate="2017-12-15T19:14:26.510" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15451" PostId="3523" Score="7" Text="A question with an upvoted answer cannot be deleted by the OP. But as long as the answer has score 0, it can." CreationDate="2017-12-16T14:25:36.520" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15461" PostId="3523" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl I'd guess it is the question [Embedded homology sphere](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/288596/embedded-homology-sphere). And for low-rep users like me, here is [link to the version in the Google Cache](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://mathoverflow.net/q/288596). (I am not sure for how long cached version of a removed page remains available.)" CreationDate="2017-12-16T16:45:31.477" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15469" PostId="3523" Score="5" Text="I had exactly the same experience a few times. The only reason I learned about it was that the easiest way to answer one of new questions was just to refer to one of my old posts and, to my surprise, I couldn't find it anymore with regular search. I don't know what might be the reason for the deletion (it was a completely legitimate question and I gave a completely reasonable answer to it), but it was deleted by the OP nevertheless. IMHO such behavior should be discouraged, but I don't really care enough to try to attract any attention to it :-)" CreationDate="2017-12-16T21:12:43.953" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="15474" PostId="3523" Score="4" Text="@fedja Re: *to my surprise, I couldn't find it anymore with regular search.* In case it is useful in the future, I'll mention that 10k+ users can search among *their own* deleted post if they include `deleted:1` in the search. For more details, see: [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254) and [Is there any way to see my deleted questions or answers?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/13948)" CreationDate="2017-12-17T06:41:30.163" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15479" PostId="3523" Score="3" Text="Although I understand the sentiment, it's possible that &quot;Why would you think this is true?&quot; would add to the embarrassment." CreationDate="2017-12-17T13:17:16.970" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15480" PostId="3523" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: Thank you, you are right. I've removed this comment." CreationDate="2017-12-17T17:28:06.400" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="15481" PostId="3523" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl: I did not know that, and that does make me worry less about the fact that questions with answers can be deleted." CreationDate="2017-12-17T17:28:59.047" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="15483" PostId="3523" Score="10" Text="I can confirm from my own experience that this seems to be a common occurrence on the site (I find it unacceptable too and outright rude). I suspect the OP's motivation is not always as honorable as &quot;avoid public embarrassment.&quot; For example, maybe you just answered a HW problem or gave crucial help in an assigned project, and the OP wishes to leave no evidence." CreationDate="2017-12-18T00:44:28.993" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="15516" PostId="3523" Score="10" Text="@ChristianRemling: And the &quot;can delete when zero upvotes&quot; leaves an opening for it.  A user can ask a question, camp out on the page, and delete as soon as it gets an answer, before anyone has a chance to upvote.  They get their homework solution, evidence is concealed, and nobody else gets to benefit from the answerer's knowledge.  Definitely not something the system should encourage." CreationDate="2017-12-20T22:43:15.730" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="15522" PostId="3523" Score="2" Text="@ThomasRot I think it makes sense to add the [meta-tag:feature-request] tag" CreationDate="2017-12-21T08:39:00.613" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15527" PostId="3523" Score="0" Text="@NateEldredge: Indeed, now that you say it, I do remember that in at least one of the cases I had in mind, my answer was greeted with almost instantaneous deletion of the question." CreationDate="2017-12-21T19:37:40.557" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="15543" PostId="3523" Score="5" Text="Note that changing the rule to &quot;opener can delete if there is an answer with score -1&quot; is also not an appropriate fix, because the opener can downvote the answer and then delete." CreationDate="2017-12-22T09:50:59.090" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="15773" PostId="3523" Score="1" Text="That is a plugiarisme , the OP  here probably seek for proof to him question for publishing it as a thesis or any paper in refeered journal . this is what i think .Here should for Mo to add some tecknic to forbide this behavior" CreationDate="2018-01-08T22:14:40.517" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="16655" PostId="3523" Score="0" Text="Related: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3798/deleted-answered-question" CreationDate="2018-07-08T13:07:39.973" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16657" PostId="3523" Score="1" Text="I just opened a feature request post on [meta.SE]: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312315/question-deleted-as-soon-as-it-is-answered" CreationDate="2018-07-08T13:23:17.790" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17026" PostId="3523" Score="0" Text="Here is a related older post on this meta: [Deleting others' work](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2834)." CreationDate="2018-08-31T12:15:13.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15467" PostId="3525" Score="7" Text="Answering questions in the comments is against the rules of Stackexchange sites and should be discouraged, not encouraged. While I'm happy that the rules about answers in comments and discussions isn't enforced on MO as violently as on other sites, the fact stands that it undermines the core principles of the system: visible usable answers and threads in Q&amp;A format." CreationDate="2017-12-16T19:53:20.143" UserId="10605" />
  <row Id="15468" PostId="3525" Score="4" Text="Even though I do not identify MathOverflow with a StackExchange site (and in other situations I would challenge Anton Fetisov's comment in more than one way), I agree with the intent of the comment: this forum works well because the signal to noise ratio is high.  While such questions and comments redirecting the posters are not noise, they are part of what we do not want much of and need to manage their  quantity. Not answering questions may be impolite, but answering them on this forum may also be impolite.  Gerhard &quot;Learning To Manage Impoliteness Politely&quot; Paseman, 2017.12.16." CreationDate="2017-12-16T20:28:38.387" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15470" PostId="3525" Score="7" Text="@AntonFetisov You may be right, but I think that is a separate discussion, on the merits of answering in the comments vs. writing an answer. Many people do answer questions in the comments, or give partial answers / hints, and it is certainly possible to do so in a polite and friendly manner." CreationDate="2017-12-16T21:15:44.970" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="15471" PostId="3525" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman I must confess I don't fully understand what you are trying to say, and how it relates to Anton's comments. In terms of noise, noise is handled by closing, migrating, or deleting inappropriate questions, and I don't think it matters very much what happens with them before that. However there is an interesting conflict between the signal-to-noise ratio and fedja's suggestion that questions not be closed / migrated / deleted too quickly, that I am not sure how to resolve." CreationDate="2017-12-16T21:19:47.000" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="15473" PostId="3525" Score="8" Text="Re: *with full answers or in the comments*. The advantage of posting a short answer (or pointer to where answer can be found) in a comment rather than in an answer is that once a question has an answer and the answer gets positive score, it is no longer [removable by roomba](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba)." CreationDate="2017-12-17T06:13:36.273" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15548" PostId="3525" Score="7" Text="The advantage of giving an answer is that it no longer shows up in the unanswered list. I will sometimes think &quot;I feel like solving number theory problems&quot; today and go hunting through the unanswered list, and it is a bit annoying to run into all the old questions with answers in comments." CreationDate="2017-12-22T20:46:23.300" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="15552" PostId="3525" Score="1" Text="@DavidSpeyer I agree that if a question is answered in the comments, it should almost always either have an answer written and accepted explaining the comments, or else be closed. This can be consistent with answers sometimes appearing in the comments, e..g if the answer is only one sentence but you are not sure if it is correct or if the asker wants to change the question, as long as you or someone else follows up later." CreationDate="2017-12-22T21:47:39.223" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="15569" PostId="3525" Score="3" Text="@DavidSpeyer (and Will Sawin) - I thought this was implied but to make it clearer: I was talking about questions which do not belong on the site - so they should be closed and deleted anyway. But some users want MO to be a bit more welcoming (as at least voting on fedja's post suggest so), so apart from the message that the questions belongs elsewhere, they might want to nudge the user towards answer at least in comments." CreationDate="2017-12-24T13:13:58.713" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15570" PostId="3525" Score="2" Text="I think it is generally agreed that if a question is off-topic, then it should not be answered (i.e., answer should not be posted for off-topic questions, posting comments is probably ok). But if a question is on-topic, answers should be posted as answers, not as comments." CreationDate="2017-12-24T13:14:53.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15472" PostId="3526" Score="0" Text="thanks for taking the time respond.  I didn't realize it was allowed to suggest any future contractual consulting arrangments within the context of responses to comments on or answers to questions." CreationDate="2017-12-17T02:43:25.210" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15499" PostId="3530" Score="3" Text="Somewhat related older post: [Is bounties period sufficient?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2936) It is not clear whether bounty period can be changed individually for a specific site: [Are bounty parameters network-wide or per-site settings?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/284657)" CreationDate="2017-12-19T12:51:36.837" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15501" PostId="3530" Score="6" Text="I really think the reason is not lack of interest in your post, but just that no one has thought of anything great to say!  I for one found your question very interesting -- I had intersected with Gelfand when I was a graduate student at Rutgers and he had tried to get a number of us Rutgers people interested in quasi-determinants, and I even thought at one point they might be useful for some things I was researching. But it could be no one at MO has an answer (now or in the foreseeable future); that's the way it goes sometimes." CreationDate="2017-12-19T14:32:02.747" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15502" PostId="3530" Score="1" Text="But are you in contact with Retakh for instance? He might have interesting thoughts on the matter." CreationDate="2017-12-19T14:33:34.880" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15506" PostId="3530" Score="9" Text="It acts precisely as intended, so I don't think you can call it a bug. I think feature-request would be a better tag than bug." CreationDate="2017-12-19T16:38:27.733" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15517" PostId="3530" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson The point I am trying to make here, and in my answer below, is that the limit of 7 days is way too short for this site. As opposed to SO, where it does indeed work as intended." CreationDate="2017-12-21T03:06:26.343" UserId="66983" />
  <row Id="15518" PostId="3530" Score="1" Text="I think I understand the point you are making, Dmitri; I just don't think I'd call it a bug." CreationDate="2017-12-21T04:35:59.480" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15519" PostId="3530" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson The definition of a bug I'm using here, is something not achieving the intended effect." CreationDate="2017-12-21T05:29:36.887" UserId="66983" />
  <row Id="15520" PostId="3530" Score="4" Text="There's a difference between not achieving *your* intended effect, and not achieving *the* intended effect. But I think we're going to have to agree to disagree." CreationDate="2017-12-21T07:01:13.797" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15521" PostId="3530" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson I'd be open to any convincing evidence it is achieving the intended effect for anyone else. I have seen others pointing the same, so it does not seem like I am alone." CreationDate="2017-12-21T07:47:29.970" UserId="66983" />
  <row Id="15528" PostId="3530" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson I have removed the 'bug' word, as it perhaps sounds controversial. It might work in some cases, but not in all, so I'd still feel the need to change it." CreationDate="2017-12-22T02:21:50.150" UserId="66983" />
  <row Id="15566" PostId="3530" Score="0" Text="Perhaps quid's (=user9072) in these old posts are also worth reading in connection with this: [Bounty policies](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1976) and [Are bounty reputation points assigned to unanswered question returned back?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2733)" CreationDate="2017-12-24T10:33:51.547" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15573" PostId="3530" Score="0" Text="To me it seems that both here and [in the previous discussion](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2936/is-bounties-period-sufficient), it would actually be more suitable for the OP to have listed the question somewhere permanently rather than longer time period for a bounty. I have recently made a proposal along these lines: [What would be good place to list unresolved bounties?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3539#3541)" CreationDate="2017-12-24T14:18:30.097" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18826" PostId="3531" Score="0" Text="I think it is optimistic to think that the expected change in the number of upvotes after a bounty is &quot;+5&quot;. Quite a few of bounty questions tend to be nasty and technical IMHO; if they also happen to be on a not-so-well-represented topic (on MO, I mean), not a lot of people are really going to upvote them. Of course, maybe you had a different experience with them; or maybe you have some statistics behind you." CreationDate="2019-04-11T19:08:51.630" UserDisplayName="user137767" />
  <row Id="18829" PostId="3531" Score="0" Text="@StepanBanach Here is a [SEDE query with bounty statistics](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/196596/bounty-stats-what-can-a-bounty-do-for-you) which I took from [this answer](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/20155/how-effective-are-bounties/20186#20186). (But run on MO rather than on Mathematics.) If I read the results correctly, average score of a question is  3.57, for question with a bounty it increases to 5.99." CreationDate="2019-04-12T07:50:23.810" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15509" PostId="3532" Score="1" Text="Thank you for your answer. That's an interesting point of view. I'm curious to see whether this is indeed the consensus, that would be useful to know!" CreationDate="2017-12-20T07:50:46.733" UserId="45956" />
  <row Id="15515" PostId="3533" Score="10" Text="In fact I am rarely looking at the featured tab -- there are just too few bounty questions to make it likely to find one close to my area." CreationDate="2017-12-20T21:45:08.453" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15565" PostId="3533" Score="0" Text="And I have deleted my answer." CreationDate="2017-12-24T04:29:24.293" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15567" PostId="3533" Score="4" Text="@JosephVanName Why?" CreationDate="2017-12-24T10:45:33.213" UserId="66983" />
  <row Id="15571" PostId="3533" Score="1" Text="I do not want to talk about why I deleted my answer." CreationDate="2017-12-24T13:51:19.953" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18778" PostId="3533" Score="1" Text="I have undeleted my answer. The smallest minority on Earth is the individual." CreationDate="2019-04-06T00:01:00.123" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18827" PostId="3533" Score="0" Text="I know this is a useless comment but I had similar experience with bounties in the past. Either my questions were boring, or the topic is not interesting to anyone." CreationDate="2019-04-11T19:12:38.513" UserDisplayName="user137767" />
  <row Id="15537" PostId="3536" Score="1" Text="BTW I would consider link in this format `https://mathoverflow.net/questions/282547/a-curiosity-on-complete-homomorphisms-of-boolean-algebras/287214#287214` slightly more human readable than simply `https://mathoverflow.net/a/287214` or `https://mathoverflow.net/q/282547#287214`. As you can check, all of them link to the same answer: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/282547/a-curiosity-on-complete-homomorphisms-of-boolean-algebras/287214#287214, https://mathoverflow.net/a/287214 and https://mathoverflow.net/q/282547#287214" CreationDate="2017-12-22T07:20:28.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15538" PostId="3536" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Currently I am clicking on `share` and copy-paste what is produced there, under the assumption that this is the optimal way. Do you suggest to take the link from the address bar of the browser?" CreationDate="2017-12-22T07:23:12.820" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15539" PostId="3536" Score="2" Text="Well, it depends on what you want to achieve. Both formats have advantages - one is shorter but the longer one contains at least *partially readable* title. Of course, this is relevant only if you compose plaintext email. If you [use HTML](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_email), nobody prevents you from formatting the link whichever way you want, for example: [Manny Reyes' answer to &quot;A curiosity on complete homomorphisms of boolean algebras&quot;](https://mathoverflow.net/q/282547#287214)." CreationDate="2017-12-22T07:27:35.880" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15541" PostId="3536" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Sure, it is that (a) I am sometimes lazy to do it and (b) many people don't even know it can be done" CreationDate="2017-12-22T07:29:06.593" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15544" PostId="3536" Score="3" Text="Also note that the second number in your link (41291) is in fact your user ID, which is included in the &quot;share&quot; links for tracking purposes (one can obtain a badge for posting some amount of such links elsewhere). It can, and probably should, be safely deleted." CreationDate="2017-12-22T11:47:15.263" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="15556" PostId="3538" Score="4" Text="Since you have 10k+ reputation, you can see all your deleted post by searching for [deleted:1](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=deleted%3A1). However, if they were relatively new posts, *deleted recent questions* should work, too. (And this is accessible also below 10k reputation.)&#xA;For more details see: [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254) (I am not sure whether the two questions should be considered duplicates, but they are definitely quite close to each other.)" CreationDate="2017-12-23T10:19:31.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15557" PostId="3538" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you, this appears to work. What does it mean &quot;RemoveAbandonedQuestions&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-12-23T10:46:29.610" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="15558" PostId="3538" Score="2" Text="Most likely that it was [deleted by roomba](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba). (I believe there should be the following text under such question: &quot;This question was automatically deleted. Please see the help center for more information.&quot; And it should contain the link I have given above.) You can find links to some further information [in this tag-info](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/auto-delete/info)." CreationDate="2017-12-23T10:49:44.077" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15582" PostId="3538" Score="5" Text="Possible duplicate of [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3254/can-i-somewhere-see-my-own-deleted-questions)" CreationDate="2017-12-25T16:29:34.607" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15583" PostId="3538" Score="0" Text="I am not sure to which extent the older post - [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254) - answers your question. I have flagged it as a duplicate - we will see whether other users agree with this assessment. (Or, if you feel there is something still to be added, you could edit your question to make it clearer in which aspects this question is different.)" CreationDate="2017-12-25T16:30:46.903" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16673" PostId="3539" Score="1" Text="Do I understand it well that we cannot have Standing bounties because the parent site doesn't allow it?" CreationDate="2018-07-10T09:19:00.970" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="16674" PostId="3539" Score="0" Text="@domotorp I am not sure what you mean by *parent site*. MathOverflow runs on Stack Exchange platform. The Stack Exchange software does not have a &quot;standing bounty&quot; feature. BTW this feature request is linked in my question - I am not sure whether this is what you had in mind: [Request new function Standing Bounty](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/267021)." CreationDate="2018-07-10T09:22:57.570" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16676" PostId="3539" Score="1" Text="Yes, I've meant the platform. So do I understand it well that on the major stackoverflow site this feature is unwanted and that's why they don't implement it, although other, smaller sites, would welcome this feature? If this is the case, what can we do about it?" CreationDate="2018-07-10T11:28:48.683" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="16678" PostId="3539" Score="0" Text="@domotorp Perhaps we could move the discussion (if there is some need to continue) elsewhere, so that we do not leave here too many comments related only indirectly to the question at hand. Maybe [in the main chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/7/10)." CreationDate="2018-07-10T12:24:45.070" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15572" PostId="3540" Score="0" Text="As an experiment I have created also [this chat room](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/70737). The idea was to add the feed with featured questions there. However, it seems that it is only possible to do this for questions in particular tag, there isn't a single feed with featured questions suitable for chat. The room was started today - we will see whether it is going to be useful for something; if not we can simply drop it." CreationDate="2017-12-24T14:01:25.733" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21221" PostId="3540" Score="0" Text="Questions which had a bounty but it was never awarded: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1138174/where-can-i-see-if-bounties-were-posted-on-a-question-at-some-point-in-the-past Taken from this answer: [Where can I see if bounties were posted on a question at some point in the past, if those bounties were not awarded?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/390916#390925) (It was mentioned in the [SEDE chatroom](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/1223/2019/10/30).)" CreationDate="2019-10-31T08:49:47.190" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15580" PostId="3544" Score="0" Text="Excellent answer, thanks!" CreationDate="2017-12-25T09:40:55.870" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15581" PostId="3544" Score="1" Text="I think it's worth pointing out that in the &quot;long version&quot;, the textual part of the URL (&quot;a-curiosity-on-complete-homomorphisms-of-boolean-algebras&quot;) is in fact ignored by the server. Thus, if you are not happy with it, you are free to modify it to make it read better (as long as it is still a syntactically correct URL)." CreationDate="2017-12-25T10:08:21.990" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="15588" PostId="3546" Score="2" Text="You would get a more well-rounded view of what MO is about by answering questions instead of simply asking them. On MO, we reward asking questions a little bit, but we reward answering questions much more." CreationDate="2017-12-27T00:40:16.897" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15592" PostId="3546" Score="13" Text="Most of this answer seems to be a promotion of your own beliefs that (a) we should encourage amateur mathematicians to use MO to further their own efforts at research (b) amateurs can solve some questions even though professionals say they are out of reach of current techniques. I think both of these points are debatable; but more importantly, they aren't really what the original question was about, in opinion" CreationDate="2017-12-28T12:54:13.697" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="15593" PostId="3546" Score="8" Text="Sometimes users vote to close a question as &quot;not research level&quot; whereas what is really meant, I think, is something like the following: in mathematics, especially in number theory, it is very easy to come up with a myriad of questions whose statements are elementary, whose truth or falsehood seems very hard to determine, BUT whose solutions do not seem to offer us any insight into the wider contexts/structures that research mathematicians are *really* interested in" CreationDate="2017-12-28T12:56:37.377" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="15648" PostId="3546" Score="3" Text="As another amateur I understand everything you're saying and I wish MO was more like that too.  But I don't have very high expectations of getting the same point across since the key word is _professional_, it's sort of like complaining about prices at the supermarket or that you have to wait in line at checkout, those are just the rules, can't argue with people who are getting paid to do a job.  Good points about the value of the innovative spirit and treating newcomers with the golden rule in mind." CreationDate="2017-12-31T03:19:12.377" UserId="2003" />
  <row Id="15706" PostId="3547" Score="1" Text="See also [the SE FAQ post on tag wikis](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/214337/what-is-a-tag-wiki-how-do-i-write-a-good-one). (Disclosure: I wrote most of the original proposed text for that FAQ entry, except for the part quoted from the SE blog at the end. Apparently the folks at SE think it's more or less correct, though, since it was just recently [officially added to the FAQ](https://meta.stackexchange.com/posts/214337/revisions).)" CreationDate="2018-01-03T11:49:19.410" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="15776" PostId="3547" Score="0" Text="I have completely forgotten about this previous post - which was exactly about the tag-wiki edits which lead me to asking this question: [Recent suggested tag wiki edits](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2849)." CreationDate="2018-01-09T13:04:18.960" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15620" PostId="3548" Score="0" Text="Note that there are two aspects to the question: the academical/ethical view (don't try to pass other people's work as your own, because that's plagiarism) and the legal view (reuse material and attribute credit in the manner specify by its license and by copyright law). Your &quot;how to reference material&quot; link deals with the first part only." CreationDate="2017-12-30T13:45:41.043" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="15636" PostId="3548" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni you're right, thanks for posting another answer. I'm actually surprised that that isn't explicitly mentioned in the help center article; it's probably buried somewhere in the [Terms of Service](https://stackexchange.com/legal)." CreationDate="2017-12-30T18:22:25.440" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="15616" PostId="3550" Score="6" Text="I see that you have asked 18 questions yet have given 0 answers on MO main. It would do you well to answer a few (non-soft) questions instead of simply asking them. MO is a site about giving and taking. A good asker is one who just as often answers non-soft questions as he asks them." CreationDate="2017-12-30T04:12:44.310" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="15666" PostId="3552" Score="0" Text="Just to clarify: I have posted this to help with the effort to correct already existing tag-wikis. (And I have already edited a few and added links that were missing.) It was not clear whether the word *you* in the sentence &quot;If you copied content from...&quot; is intended as you = any reader of this post or you = the user who asked the question." CreationDate="2018-01-01T09:32:53.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15739" PostId="3552" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I should then mention that there is an exception: if the person who wrote the tag wiki is the same person that wrote the original text on Wikipedia / nLab / Mathworld / whatever, then no attribution is needed. The original author can always relicense their work." CreationDate="2018-01-05T22:08:07.227" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="15631" PostId="3553" Score="4" Text="Most likely the other user deleted the comment. And this also was reason why your flag is marked helpful." CreationDate="2017-12-30T16:05:03.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15656" PostId="3553" Score="6" Text="Some words make a comment eligible for deletion after just a single flag. More information [on Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/238835/295232)." CreationDate="2017-12-31T13:34:21.657" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="15658" PostId="3553" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel: Thank you, but this was not the situation with that comment." CreationDate="2017-12-31T15:43:47.410" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="15659" PostId="3553" Score="3" Text="It could be that they (accidentally) used a word which is on Stack Exchange's blacklist. Anyway, a moderator will be able to see if the comment was self-deleted or deleted by flagging." CreationDate="2017-12-31T15:46:31.217" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="15660" PostId="3553" Score="1" Text="I had kind of the reverse situation - I was the poster, told a commenter why the comment was not relevant and proposed to remove their comment. Next time I check, both comments disappeared." CreationDate="2017-12-31T21:32:28.683" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="15732" PostId="3553" Score="0" Text="After Todd Trimble's answer the @Glorfindel's explanation seems quite plausible. (Or at least the information displayed to mods seems to be same as in such cases.)" CreationDate="2018-01-05T14:46:52.823" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15733" PostId="3553" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: It seems that the algorithm is roughly the following: user A posts something, user B writes a comment under this post, user A answers with another comment containing a ping `@B` (which allows the SE software to interpret this last comment as an answer). Now, if user B deletes his comment, user Community automatically deletes user B's answer. What happens if there are several comments by the same user? I don't know, and the SE staff is not very transparent about its software, unfortunately." CreationDate="2018-01-05T15:08:49.780" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="15734" PostId="3553" Score="0" Text="@AlexM. Maybe your last comment has some typos but what you describe there seems to be different from what you describe in the question. Did you perhaps meant to say &quot;user A's answer&quot; rather than &quot;user B's answer&quot;? (If I follow you correctly, in this example user B = Alex M. and user A=Chad Groft.)" CreationDate="2018-01-05T16:03:03.980" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15735" PostId="3553" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Yes, that sentence should be *&quot;Now, if user B deletes his comment, user Community automatically deletes user A's answer&quot;*." CreationDate="2018-01-05T16:16:48.730" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="15737" PostId="3553" Score="1" Text="@AlexM. I have posted a question about this on Mathematics Meta: [Are comments which respond to another comment deleted by single flag?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/305410) Feel free to ping me here or [in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/42111613#42111613) if I have misrepresented something or if you prefer to ask the question there yourself." CreationDate="2018-01-05T17:08:42.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15738" PostId="3553" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Your question faithfully describes my situation, so let's wait and see if anybody answers it. Please comment here if this happens, thank you." CreationDate="2018-01-05T17:14:10.847" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="15808" PostId="3553" Score="0" Text="Since the explanation suggested there so far are the ones which does not seem to fit here (comment deleted by the author or by a moderator), my best guess is still that it was deleted because of some blacklisted phrase (as originally suggested by Glorfindel)." CreationDate="2018-01-13T06:16:22.050" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16801" PostId="3553" Score="1" Text="@AlexM. Now there is an explanation posted on Meta Stack Exchange: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/305410/are-comments-which-respond-to-another-comment-deleted-by-single-flag/313205#313205 It seems that it is better to avoid misspelling of Lipschitz. :-)" CreationDate="2018-07-26T17:40:13.047" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15874" PostId="3555" Score="1" Text="No, I don't think I'd support adding this reason. Math builds on itself, so I'd expect lots of questions to eventually be subsumed. Better to just answer the special case question with a pointer to the answer of the general one, and an explanation of why this is a special case." CreationDate="2018-01-20T19:13:52.333" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="15722" PostId="3559" Score="0" Text="So this would probably still be consistent with the explanation suggested by Glorfindel. At least, based on what I read here, it seems that single-flag deletions are handled by Community User: [Can't undelete a comment which was automatically deleted by Community](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/211606). (And on the comment it should say that it was deleted by Alex M." CreationDate="2018-01-04T16:11:26.930" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15723" PostId="3559" Score="0" Text="Here is the quote of the relevant part of the linked post: *On the post's timeline, it shows that the flag was handled by Community, and that the comment was deleted by [name of the user who cast the &quot;too chatty&quot; flag]. When I view the deleted comment, it says &quot;deleted by [name of the user who cast the &quot;too chatty&quot; flag] 12 hours ago&quot;.*" CreationDate="2018-01-04T16:11:41.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15724" PostId="3559" Score="0" Text="Martin: yes, this is correct. Although in this case, it wasn't a &quot;too chatty&quot;, it was &quot;no longer needed&quot;." CreationDate="2018-01-04T16:22:42.670" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15740" PostId="3559" Score="3" Text="I have asked on the main meta: [Are comments which respond to another comment deleted by single flag?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/305410) We will see whether somebody knows about an alternative explanation." CreationDate="2018-01-06T10:30:25.853" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15713" PostId="3564" Score="3" Text="Probably people who know about, well, simplicial stuff are able to give a more qualified response. But I will add at least a link to a discussion about the tag (simplicial-stuff) on [Mathematice Meta](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1363/tag-merging-and-synonyms/2463#2463). (Some MO veterans have been involved in that discussion.)" CreationDate="2018-01-04T10:49:54.857" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15714" PostId="3564" Score="1" Text="Still, Mathematics has an advantage that there is [tag-excerpt](https://math.stackexchange.com/tags/simplicial-stuff/info) that clarifies the usage. (It was [created by Grigory M](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/402677/revisions).) On Mathoverflow, [the tag-info](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/simplicial-stuff/info) is empty at the moment. (The tag-info on Mathematics site could at least give a basic idea what this tag is intended for.)" CreationDate="2018-01-04T10:56:19.087" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15715" PostId="3564" Score="2" Text="Good names could be &quot;simplicial-objects&quot; or &quot;simplicial-homotopy-theory&quot; (depending on where to put the focus). I kind of like &quot;simplicial-stuff&quot;, and I have to say I don't really understand the objections" CreationDate="2018-01-04T11:11:18.987" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="15717" PostId="3564" Score="8" Text="I don't understand the downvote on the question. It is true that the OP misunderstood completely the meaning of the &quot;simplicial-stuff&quot; tag, but this is possibly even more an indication that there is a problem, not the converse." CreationDate="2018-01-04T11:37:47.383" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="15718" PostId="3564" Score="1" Text="+1 Also from me - in the spirit of the above comment. (So the intended meaning of the upvote is &quot;it is useful that this was brought up on meta&quot; and not &quot;I agree with the suggested alternative names for the tag&quot;.)" CreationDate="2018-01-04T11:43:18.717" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15719" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="To clarify: I am not an expert in the field at which the question on MO is aimed and my naming &quot;suggestions&quot; were only meant to demonstrate, that there is no need to use &quot;stuff&quot; in a tag; sorry if my suggestions were perceived as coming from knowledge in the field." CreationDate="2018-01-04T11:51:42.440" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="15731" PostId="3564" Score="1" Text="Tangential remark: if we decide to do something about this tag name, another similar case is [tag:abstract-nonsense]." CreationDate="2018-01-05T14:23:49.227" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="15736" PostId="3564" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni (abstract-nonsense) is a little different, in that it has become essentially acceptable terminology in category theory: you find it in papers, maybe even titles of papers. &quot;Simplicial stuff&quot; is definitely used in seminars, but I don't think people write it down, usually." CreationDate="2018-01-05T17:02:39.677" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="15720" PostId="3565" Score="4" Text="thanks for the clarification; if &quot;simplicial-stuff&quot; is considered appropriate, then I don't object. I just wanted to bring it to attention." CreationDate="2018-01-04T12:01:13.527" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="15721" PostId="3565" Score="6" Text="@ManfredWeis To be clear: it is an informal name, and I would (probably) not use it in a paper. It's just that to people familiar with the field brings a set of connotations that I would struggle to convey with a more formal name." CreationDate="2018-01-04T12:38:19.483" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="15807" PostId="3565" Score="0" Text="I like this tag very much too but I have to admit that for practical purposes there might be problems. One of the functions of tags is convenience for searching particular topics, and an average user might not come up with this particular tag to search for something simplicial. Not that I know how to make it more useful in this respect..." CreationDate="2018-01-13T05:34:04.553" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="15809" PostId="3565" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე There are many ways how a user can notice this tag. For example, if they browse or [search some posts related to this topic](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=simplicial+is%3Aq), they might notice which tags are used there. Or they might simply go to [the list of tags](https://mathoverflow.net/tags) and start typing simpl... to see which tags from related areas are there. Or there might see it among related tags if they look at some other tag, such as [tag:at.algebraic-topology] or [tag:homotopy-theory], ..." CreationDate="2018-01-13T10:02:06.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15810" PostId="3565" Score="1" Text="Basically what you describe is a problem with any tag - if a user wants to use it for searching, they must first learn from somewhere that such tag exists." CreationDate="2018-01-13T10:03:11.873" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15741" PostId="3567" Score="5" Text="Have you considered the possibility that other people do not view mathematics as a bare exercise in symbol manipulation?" CreationDate="2018-01-06T21:16:09.413" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="15742" PostId="3567" Score="7" Text="Putting aside the biased attitude, it sounds like what research you've done here has been minimal and superficial, showing no real acquaintance with intuitionist reasoning, hence &quot;not research level&quot; (in the sense of professionalized mathematics). But one reason for being interested in intuitionistic reasoning is that it applies much more generally; e.g., when working *internally* in a topos, classical modes of reasoning are no longer valid. You might start with Andrej Bauer's fine article: http://www.ams.org/journals/bull/2017-54-03/S0273-0979-2016-01556-4/S0273-0979-2016-01556-4.pdf" CreationDate="2018-01-06T21:32:37.113" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15743" PostId="3567" Score="6" Text="As an aside: this is the first time I've heard of Halmos being one of the intuitionist constructivist group founded by Brouwer. News to me! (Hint: irony.)" CreationDate="2018-01-06T21:34:24.673" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15744" PostId="3567" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan my question clearly showed my bias, but i didn't want to simply &quot;write away&quot; intuitionist thought as &quot;useless&quot; --- instead, I wanted to understand why it is that much smarter people than myself chose to be intuitionists, when on the surface, it seems &quot;crazy&quot; to me. In other words, I do not share my bias *because* I intend to denigrate, but rather I share my bias to show how difficult/far removed intuitionist concepts are to me (likely because of the style of my education?)." CreationDate="2018-01-07T00:12:24.357" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15745" PostId="3567" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I was reading about criticism for non-standard analysis, where it is discussed that Halmos chose a student of his, Bishop, to write one of the most scathing critiques of the subject. Bishop seems very familiar with Brouwer's writing in his critiques: &quot;Our program is simple: To give numerical meaning to as much as possible of classical abstract analysis. Our motivation is the well-known scandal, exposed by Brouwer (and others) in great detail, that classical mathematics is deficient in numerical meaning.&quot; [cont.]" CreationDate="2018-01-07T00:19:39.560" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15746" PostId="3567" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble [cont. from prev.] Since students are often share views with their advisors, and Halmos and Bishop seemed to be on the same page regarding their criticism of n-s-a, I assumed (incorrectly?) that Halmos too must share Brouwer's views to some extent. Could you clarify further (i.e. instead of ironic statements, may I hear what you know plainly?)." CreationDate="2018-01-07T00:19:57.477" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15747" PostId="3567" Score="1" Text="Bishop got his PhD under Halmos as an analyst (his brilliance was plainly on display there). His work on constructive mathematics came rather later. As for Halmos: he freely used excluded middle and the axiom of choice in his mathematics without any qualms, and did not identify as a constructivist. Having read his automathography, I come away believing that he wasn't philosophically opposed to nonstandard analysis, but thought it was a language that he didn't speak easily and probably didn't much need. IIRC he (affectionately) said Bishop was eventually &quot;lost&quot; to the cause of constructivism." CreationDate="2018-01-07T00:38:02.517" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15748" PostId="3567" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Thank you!" CreationDate="2018-01-07T00:57:06.313" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15749" PostId="3567" Score="1" Text="Here is an extract of Halmos on Bishop: &quot;He was always a strong-minded man, and I cannot claim to have influenced him much or taught him -- he made himself...&quot; (followed by words of admiration that he wrote a fine thesis, then discovered he had been anticipated, and so scrapped it to write an even greater thesis). &quot;He discovered many of the fundamental concepts about function algebras and the relations among those concepts. Then, almost discontinuously, he &quot;got religion&quot;, went into constructive mathematics, wrote the book that made the phrase famous, and started the sect (continued)" CreationDate="2018-01-07T01:01:49.927" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15750" PostId="3567" Score="0" Text="of which he was the leading but somewhat reluctant guru till the day he died. Functional analysis misses him, and so does constructive mathematics, and so, most of all, do we, his friends.&quot; (pp. 161-162 of Halmos's *I Want To Be A Mathematician*)." CreationDate="2018-01-07T01:05:00.487" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15752" PostId="3567" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble But, no one just &quot;gets religion&quot; randomly, right? There must be something there that he saw. Do you have any insight on what it is that Bishop saw? Also, I am very much anjoying the AMS article you linked to (it is pleasantly readable)." CreationDate="2018-01-07T01:25:18.513" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15755" PostId="3567" Score="2" Text="Well, it may be impossible to say how Bishop got involved in constructivism (but I think we can confidently assert that Halmos had nothing to do with it). What we do know is that, by all accounts, Bishop was a terrifyingly powerful mathematician (see for instance this review of his selected papers: https://projecteuclid.org/euclid.bams/1183554746). Maybe he had heard that doing analysis constructively was considered to be hopeless, and not being one to shrink from a challenge, looked into the matter and then got hooked. Perhaps that's not a likely explanation, but ... who knows? :-)" CreationDate="2018-01-07T01:38:31.350" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15762" PostId="3567" Score="0" Text="The question is deleted now, but if it's the one that I'm thinking about, then you shouldn't expect people to help you when your question is laden thick with insults of them and their work from the beginning to the end. And yes, the question shows no research effort at all, plenty of explanations of intuitionism is given both in general and on this site. Unless you show that your question is somehow not answered there, there's nothing to discuss." CreationDate="2018-01-07T18:55:33.467" UserId="10605" />
  <row Id="15768" PostId="3567" Score="0" Text="@AntonFetisov There were no insults in that post, because I am not the sort of person who insults people. There was flowery language, which *was* misconstrued, but there were no insults. I simply do not have a high enough opinion of myself to be able to imagine insulting others. In fact, I hoped to convey that while intuitionist ideas were very alien to me, there are people who clearly think in those terms, and its very likely I am missing something big." CreationDate="2018-01-08T02:26:41.193" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15769" PostId="3567" Score="0" Text="@AntonFetisov It's difficult for me to understand what sort of research you expected me to conduct, given that the question was a reference for powerful arguments for intuitionism (in particular, I requested a comment from the answerer regarding how much of a role the article played in convincing them). The question on the other hand, is research level because it tackles foundational issues that I at least, had not come across in my undergraduate education. Regardless, I would appreciate it if you helped me answer questions I raise for Gerhard Paseman in the comments to his answer below." CreationDate="2018-01-08T02:28:57.407" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15751" PostId="3568" Score="2" Text="Yes, it struck me more as a philosophy question as well." CreationDate="2018-01-07T01:05:42.860" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15753" PostId="3568" Score="0" Text="Doesn't it influence *how* people do mathematics though? For example, how they prove things, and which proofs they accept? It seems like a bit of philosophy that has very strong impact in terms of application, rather than the usual philosophy which is a question you consider briefly, before forgetting?" CreationDate="2018-01-07T01:27:07.363" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15754" PostId="3568" Score="1" Text="It might even affect which mathematics gets outside funding.  I don't know.  However, my point here is that the philosophical nature of the post makes MathOverflow a poor fit for it.  If you want to make a similar question that is a good fit for this forum, you need to rewrite it.  I am turned off by the usage of &quot;garbage heap&quot; and &quot;me&quot;.  The question comes across like you expect it's our job to convince you of the merits of intuitionism.  Also, what you call the intuitionistic stance seems a poor relation to what is actually studied.  Gerhard &quot;I Say Start Completely Over&quot; Paseman, 2018.01.06." CreationDate="2018-01-07T01:37:41.157" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="15756" PostId="3568" Score="0" Text="Why would you be turned off by &quot;throw into my mental garbage heap&quot;? It was simply a flowery way of saying &quot;before I abandon it&quot;? The &quot;me&quot;, was actually referring to the rating the answerer would give to the article they are about to share: e.g. SomeAnswerer writes &quot;I am going to share an article that convinced *me* because...&quot;. I am not sure how two people misconstrued that to somehow mean that I am grandiose enough to declare &quot;convince me, my minions!&quot;---but if two people did, I am probably the one in the wrong. In any case, I have deleted the question." CreationDate="2018-01-07T03:40:50.410" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15757" PostId="3568" Score="0" Text="Also, I have been thinking further about your description of taking a intuitionist/non-intuitionist stance, and I find myself increasingly unsure *why* it is philosphical, rather than technical. Wouldn't describing it as a philosophical problem mean that one is essentially waving it off as a matter of &quot;it's a simply how you look at things&quot;, which is in stark contrast to intuitionist/constructivist opinion that something is &quot;very seriously wrong&quot; with non-constructive proofs?" CreationDate="2018-01-07T03:44:28.690" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15758" PostId="3568" Score="0" Text="Also, why is what I call the intuitionist stance in poor relation to what is actually studied? (sorry for the flurry of questions, I certainly appreciate any time you spend answering them)" CreationDate="2018-01-07T03:49:48.670" UserId="49753" />
  <row Id="15759" PostId="3568" Score="0" Text="&quot;There are better fora for your question than MathOverflow.&quot; and &quot;There Is No PhilosophyOverflow. Yet.&quot; - aren't these claims contradictory to each other? @user89 Would maybe Philosophy.SE be worth considering (they have [philosophy-of-mathematics tag](https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/philosophy-of-mathematics).) Or perhaps Mathematics site (which has both [constructive-mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/constructive-mathematics) and [philosophy](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/philosophy) tags.)" CreationDate="2018-01-07T07:09:35.530" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15761" PostId="3569" Score="7" Text="Fair enough, but one point is that each one of those is a link to a pretty old question, when questions were often received differently from how they probably would be today." CreationDate="2018-01-07T13:19:53.460" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15763" PostId="3569" Score="5" Text="I think part of the poor reception is that crossposts are frowned upon. You posted both questions just a day apart, so there is no reason to think your question would go unanswered on MSE (and it was). Personally I find the question a valid one." CreationDate="2018-01-07T19:00:47.920" UserId="10605" />
  <row Id="15765" PostId="3569" Score="1" Text="I'd say questions for introductory books are not normally on-topic on MO -- what may be possible though is to ask for a good textbook if you teach a particular course." CreationDate="2018-01-07T22:42:09.060" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15767" PostId="3569" Score="2" Text="Notice also that the people who asked the questions 1.-3. to which you linked are rather low-reputation users." CreationDate="2018-01-08T00:29:22.733" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="15772" PostId="3569" Score="3" Text="&quot;But officer, what about all those other murders you haven't caught? Why do you must punish me?&quot; (only that comparing murder to posting on MO is pretty absurd, but you get my hyperbole and a half, I hope.)" CreationDate="2018-01-08T13:28:33.607" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16083" PostId="3569" Score="0" Text="What irritates me quite a bit is that I am ready to bet 100 bucks against 1 that at least 4 out of 5 people didn't bother to find out an answer before voting to close, so their judgement of the level of the question can hardly be taken more seriously than the proverbial public opinion on the length of the emperor's nose.  IMO the question is completely legitimate by itself, though, indeed, cross-posting without a good reason is usually frowned upon." CreationDate="2018-03-21T16:01:18.583" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="16421" PostId="3570" Score="0" Text="Do you think that (perverse-sheaves) tag should be added to some of the posts which are tagged [decomposition-theorem but not preverse-sheaves](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/decomposition-theorem+-perverse-sheaves)? I have asked a moderator (Todd Trimble) about this tag [not too long ago](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2018/4/26). Since he suggested simply removing (decomposition-theorem), after the removal some of those questions might be missing the relevant tag." CreationDate="2018-06-10T05:58:47.073" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16422" PostId="3570" Score="0" Text="Hi Martin. I took a look and there are two questions on that list related to the BBD decomposition theorem and perverse sheaves: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/128822/ and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/1039/ . I guess those two could be retagged but I wouldn't consider it urgent (they have other accurate tags)." CreationDate="2018-06-10T06:32:19.180" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="15793" PostId="3573" Score="0" Text="I have added ([meta-tag:community-wiki]) tag to your question - since you are asking about CW. I was a bit hesitant whether to add ([meta-tag:specific-question]) or not - but the end of your post suggests that you are asking about more general question and this particular question serves just an example, so probably this tag is not needed." CreationDate="2018-01-10T12:38:16.340" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15794" PostId="3573" Score="7" Text="Historically, posts on MO calling for big lists have been made CW. This tradition goes back to the days of MO.1. Perhaps I can locate the tea post(s) documenting this." CreationDate="2018-01-10T13:01:10.207" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15795" PostId="3573" Score="0" Text="Oh yeah, I remember that. Ok, thanks for reminding me!" CreationDate="2018-01-10T14:48:05.763" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="15796" PostId="3573" Score="3" Text="here is a [discussion](http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=4242) from 2010; The CW switch for &quot;big lists&quot; allows the voting system to be used more effectively to rank the list without damaging the reputation of users who give bad responses." CreationDate="2018-01-10T20:42:55.573" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="15797" PostId="3573" Score="1" Text="@Todd But I also remember that we asked for exceptions to be allowed (for instance, resulting in [this question](https://mathoverflow.net/q/73075/6085) not being CW). Perhaps it would be best to inform the person asking the question a few minutes before making the switch to CW, to give them the chance to appeal the decision, should they feel it is not appropriate for the question at hand. (I mean this in general, rather than for the specific question that prompted this thread.)" CreationDate="2018-01-10T23:17:36.157" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="15798" PostId="3573" Score="0" Text="&quot;Perhaps it would be best to inform the person asking the question a few minutes before making the switch to CW....&quot; That's great, @Andrés, if the person asking the question checks the website every few minutes." CreationDate="2018-01-11T09:38:51.277" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15800" PostId="3573" Score="2" Text="@Gerry Doesn't everybody? :-) More seriously, though, I think the important bit is that they are informed ahead of time. Whether the moderators decide to wait for a reply or just go ahead with their decision is another matter. I believe that if it can be argued that the post should not be CW, it is still the case that the decision can be reversed (at least, that's how it used to be). But people may feel less comfortable asking for it if the moderators didn't at least try to contact them before proceeding." CreationDate="2018-01-11T12:38:42.087" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="15799" PostId="3574" Score="1" Text="Why not separate tag use and tag creation? -- Is there really a need to allow implicitly creating new tags when tagging a question?" CreationDate="2018-01-11T10:20:46.387" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="15847" PostId="3574" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl What I suggested about is already implemented - the only thing to be done is to switch this feature on also for this particular site. What you suggest is something which would have to be implemented first. If you really think something like that is a reasonable idea, you might post it as a new feature request - either here or on [meta.SE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions)." CreationDate="2018-01-15T16:19:58.227" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16786" PostId="3574" Score="1" Text="I'll get back to you on this issue within a few days, Martin. Seems very reasonable to me." CreationDate="2018-07-21T20:33:30.880" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16944" PostId="3574" Score="3" Text="I've sent a message to the SE Community Team about this now." CreationDate="2018-08-16T12:28:51.120" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18430" PostId="3574" Score="2" Text="Martin, thanks for suggesting this very useful feature. Since it's enabled, I had it maybe 5-6 times: precisely in a post I click &quot;edit tags&quot; and type, for instance, &quot;gt&quot;, and what happened is that the cursor is put automatically at the end of the list of the question's tags, only after I typed &quot;g&quot;. This resulted in changing, say, &quot;set-theory&quot; to &quot;gset-theory&quot;. But my eyes weren't on the tag set-theory so it was unnoticed; I just retyped &quot;gt&quot; instead of &quot;t&quot;, and in this way I added the new tag while adding a typo in another tag. Now this results in the warning and it's great." CreationDate="2019-02-22T20:44:34.347" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15818" PostId="3580" Score="9" Text="Just stick to the math.  There is no reason to prescribe yet again what the community should or should not be doing." CreationDate="2018-01-15T01:32:37.473" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="15819" PostId="3580" Score="0" Text="@Lucia - not &quot;prescribing&quot; at all.  Don't know why you think I am,  Rather, I am simply trying to get a better understanding of why MO seems to take such a hard-and-fast position on this matter, rather than a flexible position which gives each naive numerological abductive question enough rope to hang itself ...  In any event, thanks as always for taking the time to respond." CreationDate="2018-01-15T01:36:07.430" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15820" PostId="3580" Score="12" Text="Haven't you already asked questions similar to this on meta?  I'm sorry that you're not happy with the response, but at some point you just need to accept that the fact that perhaps MO is not the right place for your questions.  The culture and norms of this website long predated your arrival, and it is kind of ridiculous that you constantly insist that they be changed just for you (even though you haven't participated here in a serious way, say by answering technical mathematics questions).  This is getting extremely tiresome." CreationDate="2018-01-15T02:02:41.937" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="15821" PostId="3580" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman - Not sure why you're asking if I've asked similar questions before.  I specifically said at the beginning of this question that it IS a more specific version of a metaMO question asked in a more general way.  And I'm sorry if you think the discussion is getting tiresome - perhaps there would have been no need for this follow-up specific version of the previous question if that previous question had not been deleted only AFTER Brumleve said he agreed with everything in that question. (continued next comment) . . ." CreationDate="2018-01-15T02:06:38.187" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15822" PostId="3580" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman - to me (but apparently not to you), Brumleve's comment on that question suggests that perhaps there is NOT just one homogeneous MO culture or set of MO norms, a possibility also raised by  the fact that Todd Trimble felt perfectly comfortable making the observation that sometimes numerology takes folks on journeys that turn out to be worthwhile . . ." CreationDate="2018-01-15T02:08:40.907" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15823" PostId="3580" Score="10" Text="Your questions are not precise mathematical ones, and thus are off topic on MO.  No matter how much you complain or compare yourself to Kepler or namedrop famous people or throw around pretentious words, that will not change.  I have read a lot of your posts both here and on math.se, and I see a lot of self-aggrandizement and entitlement.  You desperately want to be heard, but not to listen to others, especially to people who have been here a long time and understand our culture.  I thus can only conclude that continuing to engage with you would accomplish little.  I will not respond further." CreationDate="2018-01-15T03:27:52.243" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="15824" PostId="3580" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman - since you've said you won't respond further, please don't take this comment as directed your way.  Andy Putnam just said that  &quot;I desperately want to be HEARD&quot;.  Quite wrong.  I desperately want to LEARN what I need to know from the pro's at MSE and MO, and I actually HAVE.  Unfortunately (from my point of view), it will be another six months before this learning process can continue, inasmuch as I strongly doubt that the current question bans will be lifted before the wait-time imposed by the SE software . . ." CreationDate="2018-01-15T03:33:52.720" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15834" PostId="3580" Score="1" Text="David is doing a very good job of distilling the mathematics from his work.  The truth be known.  Some interesting maths have come out of the discussion, such as the triple-orientation of 4D4D4 (ie E8 comprised from four copies of D4D4)." CreationDate="2018-01-15T10:53:23.023" UserId="84351" />
  <row Id="15842" PostId="3584" Score="6" Text="What do you mean by *question limit*? Do you actually mean [question ban](https://mathoverflow.net/help/question-bans). That is, do you get this message when posting question: &quot;We are no longer accepting questions from this account. See the [Help Center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/question-bans) to learn more.&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-01-15T14:35:29.207" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15843" PostId="3584" Score="0" Text="yes i have got the second &quot;We are no longer accepting questions from this account&quot;" CreationDate="2018-01-15T14:37:32.567" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="15849" PostId="3584" Score="1" Text="Have you followed the links Martin gave you?" CreationDate="2018-01-15T17:47:31.703" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15850" PostId="3584" Score="5" Text="Looking at zeraoulia's [list of questions](https://mathoverflow.net/users/51189/zeraoulia-rafik?tab=questions), I can't see any reason why a question ban would be warranted.  There isn't an excessive number of questions, nor an excessive rate.  The most recent question is from last February.  There are a few older questions with negative scores, but most have positive scores, and a few were very popular.  Unless there were a lot of negative questions that have been deleted, I would wonder if this ban is correct - is there a way to ask a moderator to review it?" CreationDate="2018-01-15T18:41:08.643" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="15851" PostId="3584" Score="3" Text="@NateEldredge: I seem to recall that there were some recent questions that were heavily downvoted and deleted (though I could be mistaking the OP for someone else -- there have been a lot of bad questions recently).  But I don't know how to find links to them if I am correct." CreationDate="2018-01-15T19:04:55.657" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="15853" PostId="3584" Score="1" Text="@zeraouliarafik I do not know whether there is some reasonable advice apart from what you can already read in the [help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/question-bans) and this FAQ post: [What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/86997). Usually the way out of question ban is rather difficult. Maybe some experienced MO user would be willing to look at your past questions and possibly suggest some improvements." CreationDate="2018-01-15T19:10:02.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15854" PostId="3584" Score="2" Text="I will also add that the title of your question is not ideal, since question limit usually refers to [50q/month, 6q/day](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4359/is-there-a-limit-on-how-many-questions-i-can-ask) limit which is enabled on *some* sites. (AFAIK not here on MO.) So now that you have seen help and faq, you might be able to rephrase the question using a more usual terminology." CreationDate="2018-01-15T20:43:10.157" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15855" PostId="3584" Score="7" Text="@NateEldredge Based on deleted questions with negative scores in the past year, the ban does not seem surprising." CreationDate="2018-01-16T03:22:59.903" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15856" PostId="3584" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble, Does answers for other questions in MO with positive scores help me to open my account in the side of posting questions ?" CreationDate="2018-01-16T15:50:30.850" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="15857" PostId="3584" Score="0" Text="@zeraouliarafik No, I don't think so. There is a blocking mechanism for answers as well, and the two are separated." CreationDate="2018-01-16T17:07:39.980" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15858" PostId="3584" Score="1" Text="I believe I have heard claims that answers can help, but the contribution is very minor. The [official FAQ](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86997/what-can-i-do-when-getting-we-are-no-longer-accepting-questions-answers-from-th) formulate this only very carefully: &quot;If you are banned from asking questions, then writing a few quality answers that get upvoted might enable you to ask questions again. But as the internals of the filter are secret, there is no way to know for sure.&quot; (But I agree with @ToddTrimble that you probably should not put too much hopes in help from upvoted answers.)" CreationDate="2018-01-16T19:34:10.710" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15846" PostId="3587" Score="0" Text="thanks as always for taking the time to respond.  I will be sure to keep your suggestions in mind, after the six-month question ban wait-period has elapsed and I am able to ask new questions.  But regarding whether you were correct to vote to re-open, if you visit the chat room and look at the last piece of in info provided by Wendy, you may see why we now have information indicating that your vote to re-open was probably correct because there is an E6:E8 relation in 8-space that probably DOES have an interesting reflex in 3-space." CreationDate="2018-01-15T15:07:09.603" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15848" PostId="3587" Score="0" Text="please see this link as an indication that I will also make a good-faith effort to address Andy's concern that I don't provide technical answers:  https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1358046/is-the-fibonacci-lattice-the-very-best-way-to-evenly-distribute-n-points-on-a-sp/2606564#2606564" CreationDate="2018-01-15T17:21:42.663" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15859" PostId="3587" Score="0" Text="re your doubts whether you should have voted to re-open that MSE question on Coxeter's projections - see the answer I just provided - really quite beautiful mathematically, in  a very subtle way . . ." CreationDate="2018-01-16T22:13:33.040" UserId="118372" />
  <row Id="15860" PostId="3592" Score="0" Text="I will at least mention that Stackedit was recommended by François G. Dorais♦ in [this answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/55/formatting-sandbox/857#857) as an editor which can be used to prepare posts not directly on the MO website. (Mainly because many users might wonder whether this is related to MO in any way.)" CreationDate="2018-01-18T07:01:40.607" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15861" PostId="3592" Score="0" Text="I am not sure whether there are some other sites where something like this would be on-topic (and possibly with better chance of finding somebody able to answer). I was able to find that there is [stackedit tag](https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/stackedit) on Web Applications site - but so far only 3 questions were posted with this tag." CreationDate="2018-01-18T07:06:03.053" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15867" PostId="3592" Score="1" Text="I am not able to reproduce the problems you have. Do I have to somehow turn on the newer version of StackEdit that you mention? I have also asked in [Webapps.SE chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/7/2018/1/18) whether something like this would be on-topic there. The response I got is somewhat ambivalent." CreationDate="2018-01-18T21:40:42.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15868" PostId="3592" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: I had my browser cache and offline webpages cleaned so that the newest version of Stackedit was loaded (previously I got the message, that a new version of Stackedit is available); meanwhile I verified the behavior on my side with windows10 64bit on 3 computers and on Windows7 32bit and also with different virus scanners installed." CreationDate="2018-01-19T06:14:21.993" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="15870" PostId="3592" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak: Followup a colleage didn't observe the problem; so I completely uninstalled FireFox, reinstalled it and let it delete all saved settings; that solved the problem (with FireFox). Generally the problem only seems to appear with https://stackedit.io/app but not with https://stackedit.io/editor (the second being the &quot;old&quot; version)." CreationDate="2018-01-19T06:53:36.290" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="15900" PostId="3592" Score="0" Text="I will just confirm that when I tried this another browser - in which I previously have not used StackEdit - I experience problems too. https://stackedit.io/editor seems to be working find, but in https://stackedit.io/app nothing gets rendered in the preview pane. Unfortunately, I do not have any good advice what could solve the problem. (Maybe reporting the problems here might be worth considering: https://github.com/benweet/stackedit/issues ?)" CreationDate="2018-01-24T21:44:49.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15862" PostId="3593" Score="6" Text="Possible duplicate of [Requests for reopen and undelete votes for on-hold, closed, and deleted questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-and-undelete-votes-for-on-hold-closed-and-deleted-question)" CreationDate="2018-01-18T13:59:07.083" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="15863" PostId="3593" Score="1" Text="You might want to post your question as an answer to https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/223/12357" CreationDate="2018-01-18T13:59:28.840" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="15864" PostId="3593" Score="2" Text="For the benefit of users who are below 10k reputation points, at the moment some version of that question is still [visible in Google cache](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://mathoverflow.net/q/290941)." CreationDate="2018-01-18T14:01:02.207" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15865" PostId="3593" Score="4" Text="And it is also mentioned in the question that the same question was asked on Theoretical Computer Science site: [Is Normal centralizer problem in P?](https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/39798)" CreationDate="2018-01-18T14:18:30.170" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15866" PostId="3594" Score="1" Text="For the benefit of users who are below [10k reputation points](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/moderator-tools), at the moment some version of that question is still [visible in Google cache](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://mathoverflow.net/q/290941).&#xA;And it is also mentioned in the question that the same question was asked on Theoretical Computer Science site: [Is Normal centralizer problem in P?](https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/39798)." CreationDate="2018-01-18T14:36:25.393" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15901" PostId="3596" Score="0" Text="There are two types of divisors, Weil divisors and Cartier divisors. Algebraic cycles generalize (and fully subsume) Weil divisors, but in general Cartier divisors may be different and there is no analogous generalization (to my knowledge)." CreationDate="2018-01-25T14:58:11.267" UserId="48362" />
  <row Id="15875" PostId="3598" Score="2" Text="Related: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/563/where-to-share-mathoverflow-success-stories I'm not aware that Joel's suggestion #2 has been implemented, but your story would seemingly fit there." CreationDate="2018-01-21T00:02:49.653" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15876" PostId="3598" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble Could you please interpret Joel's suggestion in practical terms for me?" CreationDate="2018-01-21T00:07:23.127" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="15877" PostId="3598" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble This is the paper, please have a look and let me know what is best to do https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11229-018-1674-2" CreationDate="2018-01-21T00:15:21.913" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="15878" PostId="3598" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble I am going to bed. Too tired. Please feel free to delete my previous comment if you want. I think it remains safely unseen in this corner of meta, but it is up to you." CreationDate="2018-01-21T00:25:11.550" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="15879" PostId="3598" Score="4" Text="Well, you could try describing your paper at https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/617/best-of-mathoverflow (Some people might feel uneasy citing their own work at a thread entitled &quot;Best of MathOverflow&quot;, but perhaps that title should be interpreted broadly. I think it would be fine to answer there.)" CreationDate="2018-01-21T02:19:02.927" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15890" PostId="3598" Score="3" Text="(Incidentally, I've just changed the title of &quot;Best of MathOverflow&quot;, hoping others might be encouraged to make use of this thread.)" CreationDate="2018-01-21T19:42:01.930" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15891" PostId="3598" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Thank you, Todd, I'll give it a go tomorrow :)" CreationDate="2018-01-21T21:25:11.567" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="15902" PostId="3602" Score="4" Text="See https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/291457/viewing-question-record." CreationDate="2018-01-26T13:11:54.120" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="15904" PostId="3602" Score="2" Text="I'll add that this is explained also in the [List of all badges with full descriptions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/67397). And on meta.SE you can find a few other related posts, such as: [How is a “positive question record” calculated?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/290545) And there is also this related feature request: [Give users a way to see their “Positive Question Record” score](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/234963)" CreationDate="2018-01-26T16:14:05.463" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15905" PostId="3602" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the links! I never thought of looking up one level higher, in the meta.stackexchange, rather than here in meta.mo and the mo-helpcenter!" CreationDate="2018-01-26T19:57:05.670" UserId="41139" />
  <row Id="15906" PostId="3602" Score="1" Text="In fact, quite often basic information and useful links are included also in the tag-info here on meta. In this case, the first link in my comment is also included in the [badges tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/badges/info) on Mathoverflow Meta. (Still it is probably useful to have this question also here - it is quite likely that other users might look for this information here on meta.MO; in which case they'll find your question.)" CreationDate="2018-01-27T09:10:35.473" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28279" PostId="3603" Score="2" Text="Then it's better not to delete a question" CreationDate="2023-02-01T17:44:34.203" UserId="95347" />
  <row Id="15916" PostId="3611" Score="1" Text="Hmm now they did appear again for me. Strange..." CreationDate="2018-01-31T15:57:24.540" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="15917" PostId="3611" Score="0" Text="Are you talking about access to chat through topbar? Or maybe are you talking about the rooms shown in the sidebar? Maybe you could add the screenshot to show what you see. (For example, are some of the five icons shown in my screenshot missing?)" CreationDate="2018-01-31T18:51:30.693" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15918" PostId="3611" Score="0" Text="Just to clarify, when I am talking about the sidebar, I mean chatrroms displayed in the way as shown in these questions: [How are the chatrooms shown in the sidebar selected?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/257677) and [Are rooms associated with per-site-metas shown when viewing a question?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/257564). By topbar I mean the thing which you can see in the screenshot in my answer below." CreationDate="2018-01-31T18:53:39.417" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15926" PostId="3611" Score="0" Text="I guess someone is [A/B testing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/B_testing) us." CreationDate="2018-02-02T23:13:12.930" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16192" PostId="3611" Score="0" Text="I am not sure whether we will get some useful information from there, but I have asked on Meta Stack Exchange about links to chat (not) shown in the sidebar: [Are chatrooms no longer shown in sidebar on main site, only on meta?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/308671)" CreationDate="2018-04-04T11:35:18.293" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16364" PostId="3611" Score="0" Text="The question linked in the previous comments got [an answer from a SE employee](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308671/are-chatrooms-no-longer-shown-in-sidebar-on-main-site-only-on-meta/309490#309490) based on which is seems that this might indeed be a bug. If/when the behavior is corrected, I will update my answer below." CreationDate="2018-05-24T11:09:53.450" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15911" PostId="3612" Score="0" Text="To be honest, I personally agree with you. But, I thought it would be better to seek the opinion of more experienced members of MO. You know sometimes it is not the matter of being good or not, it is a matter of being customary or not. However, I think it is better for me considering answering the question. After all, for thirteen years I should've thought that there are some others who might be interested in knowing the answer :)" CreationDate="2018-01-31T11:56:47.220" UserId="29316" />
  <row Id="15915" PostId="3612" Score="1" Text="Perhaps you mean 'type 2'?" CreationDate="2018-01-31T15:38:43.723" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="15922" PostId="3612" Score="1" Text="I agree with Tomas' points." CreationDate="2018-02-02T01:48:30.300" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="15924" PostId="3612" Score="3" Text="I agree.  If you don't want to accrue any reputation for your answer to your own question, you can make the answer community wiki." CreationDate="2018-02-02T06:11:51.817" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="15912" PostId="3613" Score="1" Text="Hmm I only see it on meta, not on main." CreationDate="2018-01-31T13:22:02.430" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="15913" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="That's strange. Let's wait whether somebody else can confirm that they do not see it on the main." CreationDate="2018-01-31T13:25:35.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15919" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="I see it on meta and on main." CreationDate="2018-02-01T07:55:02.853" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="15920" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="@Martin Sleziak: I'm sorry I did not understand your post. I never saw the chat button in this answer until you pointed it out to me, and then only after a good night sleep. In the question I was asking about the sidebar. Anyway, I will use this button from now on." CreationDate="2018-02-01T10:03:55.513" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="15923" PostId="3613" Score="1" Text="@ThomasRot Based on your comment, it seems that I originally answered a different question from what you wanted to ask. I have edited my answer a bit." CreationDate="2018-02-02T04:58:38.330" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15925" PostId="3613" Score="1" Text="Thanks for this Martin! I too had noticed it was missing." CreationDate="2018-02-02T11:20:19.073" UserId="3901" />
  <row Id="15944" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="thx for report; have long wished SE had more transparency here and ways to customize/ configure how much chat room &quot;ads&quot; are displayed in sidebar etc, obviously the ad itself seems to sometimes significantly influence/ impact chat room activity, as designed/ intended... also wonder if recent SE layout/ design chgs have made the chat ads less commonly displayed :(" CreationDate="2018-02-12T17:11:38.477" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="15927" PostId="3614" Score="2" Text="Meta.SE: [What is meant by tag follower versus the “x number” that appears after a tag name?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/76828)" CreationDate="2018-02-04T04:30:54.890" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15928" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Thank you  for  very helpful link." CreationDate="2018-02-04T06:49:08.290" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="15929" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="Something that is generally helpful is to google with &quot;meta stackexchange&quot; in your search terms." CreationDate="2018-02-04T12:52:55.303" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15930" PostId="3615" Score="0" Text="When you reach 1000 reputation, you may create tags yourself.  We find it best that someone have more experience before making changes." CreationDate="2018-02-04T13:45:01.363" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="15931" PostId="3615" Score="4" Text="@Gerald, I think you'll find this user reached 1000 some years ago, but has given most of it away in bounties." CreationDate="2018-02-04T22:46:13.030" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15932" PostId="3615" Score="0" Text="I was tripped up.  His rep here (in Meta) is less than 1000." CreationDate="2018-02-05T01:18:51.577" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="15933" PostId="3615" Score="1" Text="To add one more minor correction to what @GeraldEdgar wrote, MO currently has privilege to create tags at [300 reputation points](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/create-tags). There are some sites where this privilege is set to 1000 reputation points,&#xA;on such example [is Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/create-tags)." CreationDate="2018-02-05T16:32:32.803" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16304" PostId="3615" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  based on your helpful  comment  I  create  the  tag  I  need in [this post](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/292048/canard-limit-cycle-for-certain-singularly-perturbed-system). Thank you." CreationDate="2018-05-03T07:52:49.920" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="15935" PostId="3619" Score="0" Text="A great pity :'(" CreationDate="2018-02-07T22:11:28.167" UserId="1234" />
  <row Id="15936" PostId="3620" Score="1" Text="You have access to  Site analytics, and can take a look.  It doesn't exactly answer your question, but I found that on average about 50 questions are asked a day, and on average about 15-16 acceptances a day.  That suggests a ratio of  30-40%; perhaps more in the end since some questions will be of low quality and would get deleted..." CreationDate="2018-02-10T02:16:06.050" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="15937" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="@Lucia: Thanks. Your estimates are more accurate than my one-snapshot analysis. So I guess all is pretty much normal. There seems to be a very gradual decline in traffic, however measured, on a time scale of months." CreationDate="2018-02-10T02:25:37.080" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="15938" PostId="3620" Score="5" Text="You should edit your title from &quot;answered&quot; to &quot;with accepted answers.&quot;" CreationDate="2018-02-10T02:43:47.333" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="15939" PostId="3621" Score="0" Text="What [MathJax renderer](https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&amp;q=mathjax+renderer) are you using? Does the display change if you switch to another one?" CreationDate="2018-02-11T14:26:17.933" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15940" PostId="3621" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: I don't know. How can I determine which MathJax renderer is installed?" CreationDate="2018-02-11T14:39:52.957" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="15941" PostId="3621" Score="0" Text="You can change the renderer in the [MathJax menu](https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&amp;q=mathjax+menu) which you get by right clicking on any MathJax formula. $x^2+y^2=z^2$ The links I gave in the previous comment and in this one show a few screenshots." CreationDate="2018-02-11T14:47:10.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15942" PostId="3621" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Thanks. I see I am using HTML-CSS. MathML is not supported natively in Chrome." CreationDate="2018-02-11T14:53:27.780" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="15945" PostId="3623" Score="0" Text="BTW it seems that the question is at the moment still in the [reopen review queue](https://mathoverflow.net/review/reopen/94984). (It already [went through review once](https://mathoverflow.net/review/reopen/94926) with 3 votes to leave closed - however that was before the most recent edit.)" CreationDate="2018-02-14T13:00:55.907" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15947" PostId="3624" Score="0" Text="Re: *does not include the word &quot;ring&quot; in its wiki, and hence is not suggested when people type &quot;ring&quot;.* In fact, the tag-wiki does not influence whether the tag is shown when you type something in the tag field. This is influenced only by tag names (including tag synonyms)." CreationDate="2018-02-18T15:59:35.913" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15949" PostId="3624" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak right, thanks. Btw the edited tag-wiki for noncommutative-algebra now mention rings, but this means that it will be suggested from typing rings only when they'll be made synonyms." CreationDate="2018-02-18T16:10:03.987" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15961" PostId="3624" Score="0" Text="I have edited your post to correct the information saying when the tag is suggested. (And to some extent also to make your post shown if somebody views the last activity in the question.) When you have time, please do edit the post further to get it to the form you are satisfied with." CreationDate="2018-02-19T07:22:41.800" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18185" PostId="3624" Score="0" Text="I've never been convinced about this one and it's been nearly a year. It's still not clear what to do here." CreationDate="2019-01-19T23:34:56.787" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18186" PostId="3624" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais it's also unlikely that anybody might suggest anything more convincing to you if you don't say why you're not convinced." CreationDate="2019-01-19T23:41:51.187" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18187" PostId="3624" Score="0" Text="They both have tag descriptions and they don't match: one explicitly includes non-associative algebras and the other explicitly includes commutative rings. It seems somebody thinks the two are slightly different." CreationDate="2019-01-19T23:49:10.923" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18188" PostId="3624" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais it guess just means that these tags were written by two different persons without comparing to the other one" CreationDate="2019-01-20T00:22:55.967" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18191" PostId="3624" Score="2" Text="Just for the convenience of the people who stumble upon this post, I will mention that there is now a separate question about these two tags: [Noncommutative rings/algebra tags](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4080)." CreationDate="2019-01-20T17:15:34.360" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18192" PostId="3624" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak yes of course you're right, thanks!" CreationDate="2019-01-20T18:07:52.267" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15946" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="Here is link to a [related discussion in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/which-areas-fall-under-the-top-level-tag-ra-rings-and-algebras). Todd Trimble explicitly mentioned that he [plans to talk about this tag](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/40803188#40803188) with François G. Dorais - I am not sure whether he got around to that." CreationDate="2018-02-18T15:50:16.470" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15948" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="My opinion is that it's a bad idea to use the rings-and-algebras tag if &quot;algebras&quot; is meant in more of a universal algebra sense. Thanks for the reminder to look into this and hopefully fix it." CreationDate="2018-02-18T16:04:50.127" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15950" PostId="3625" Score="4" Text="I, too, think this is a mistake, but it is probably one inherited from the arxiv. There, the rings and algebras tag description is identical to the one used on MathOverflow, and must predate the MathOverflow tag by almost 20 years. Unfortunately, on the arxiv, there are no alternative tags for universal algebra, lattice theory, semigroup theory or linear algebra." CreationDate="2018-02-18T18:50:58.820" UserId="75735" />
  <row Id="15951" PostId="3625" Score="4" Text="@KeithKearnes is right. That tag was inherited from the arxiv, just like all other `xx.*` tags." CreationDate="2018-02-18T18:58:43.650" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="15953" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I think the key is the 's'. To me algebras are a type of ring, but algebra is a field of study (which could be described as universal algebra and its applications)." CreationDate="2018-02-18T19:05:43.347" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="15954" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais &quot;algebra**s**&quot; is also used in universal algebra unrelated to rings, whence the ambiguity." CreationDate="2018-02-18T19:07:05.777" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15955" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="@YCor context matters: what I wrote is what I assume is meant when someone I just randomly met says &quot;I study algebras&quot; vs &quot;I study algebra&quot;. A lot of math words are used in a variety of incompatible ways. Some are hopelessly ambiguous out of context (e.g. &quot;lattice&quot; in universal algebra vs number theory, &quot;field&quot; in algebra vs geometry). To me, &quot;algebras&quot; has a primary meaning and a secondary meaning, but it is indeed ambiguous." CreationDate="2018-02-18T19:19:36.813" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="15958" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I perfectly agree. I just mean that this extra-use is part of the origin of the problem. From the end of my post it's perfectly clear that I'm suggesting to explicitly remove this non-ring meaning of &quot;algebra(s)&quot; from the use of the tag &quot;rings-and-algebras&quot;." CreationDate="2018-02-18T19:36:53.723" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15960" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="Maybe this is for separate discussion/separate post on meta, but if some of the areas [currently mentioned in the tag-excerpt](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/134881/revisions) are going to removed, it is natural to ask which top-level tag should be used for them. (Since several posts here on meta recommend that every question should have top-level tag.)" CreationDate="2018-02-19T05:44:38.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15962" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I think the consensus that the non-ring stuff (2) is removed is a necessary first step, and that breaking  the &quot;rule&quot; of top-level tags is less a problem than the current problem. A second step is a serious thinking on the use of tags related to (2). It requires discussion, but especially a serious work of detecting what is the state of art (what are the relevant tags, what are obvious merge - the most obvious example at this level would be semigroups/monoids); I'll be happy to spend hours on this at some point." CreationDate="2018-02-19T08:16:08.820" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15972" PostId="3625" Score="1" Text="I think it is best to leave it with the same meaning as ArXiv since probably people will assume it has the same meaning anyway without reading carefully.  The ArXiv heading is not good, for instance, I never know whether to post a semigroup paper as group theory because in MSC it goes under groups and its generalizations, or under ra.rings-and-algebras because that is what ArXiv says to do. But unless we change simultaneously with ArXiv I think it is best to stay consistent with them." CreationDate="2018-02-21T21:02:54.727" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="15973" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg &quot;*since probably people will assume it has the same meaning anyway without reading carefully*&quot; I have substantiated the opposite claim with statistics." CreationDate="2018-02-21T22:28:04.927" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15974" PostId="3625" Score="1" Text="@YCor, What do the universal-algebra tagged entries use as a top level tag then?" CreationDate="2018-02-21T22:59:32.893" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="15975" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg Including set-theory as top level tag, on the last 100 post tagged universal-algebra (goes back to July 27 14): NONE (27), ct.category (23), set-theory (15), gr.group-theory (14), ra.rings-and-algebras (14), lo.logic (12), ac 4, co 3, ag 3, and a few more. 13 of these had at at least 2 top-level tags. Removing set-theory from the list just increases the NONE list. Above is subject to minor errors." CreationDate="2018-02-22T00:31:47.047" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16133" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="@BenjaminSteinberg I am not exactly sure whether your question is which top-level tags *should* be used with (universal-algebra) or which ones are *currently being used.* In any case, I have tried to give some kind of current usage summary [here in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2018/4/2)." CreationDate="2018-04-02T00:38:23.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15970" PostId="3626" Score="0" Text="I at least agree with you that the question &quot;How do we handle tagging posts geared toward (2)?&quot; is the main one. Opting for status quo means: considering ra.rings-and-algebra as the relevant tag, which will result in continuation of the current situation: only a small fraction of questions pertaining to (2) will be effectively posted in ra.rings-and-algebra (drown in a large 90% of questions arounds algebras in the sense (1)); others will be somewhat randomly dispatched into other tags: semigroups, monoids, universal-algebra, depreciated abstract-algebra, and others." CreationDate="2018-02-20T15:50:30.187" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="15979" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="Just as a remark to the recent case I'll mention that you can see &quot;user was removed&quot; on many users' reputation tabs with a similar timestamp as here on MathOverflow. So it's possible that the same user was deleted on both sites today." CreationDate="2018-02-25T18:50:08.547" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22427" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="Since it is a bit hidden in the long answer below, I will mention also in a comment that from Glorfindel I have learned about a way to find which *posts* were influenced by this: [How can I find posts related to lost reputation due to a “user was removed” message?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/126698#312191) and [Is it possible to know which posts were affected by user removal?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3857#32071) (Of course, this is different from the main question here - which is to find the *users* who were removed.)" CreationDate="2020-07-10T06:40:39.383" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15976" PostId="3630" Score="2" Text="Wow! So extensive answer to my &quot;innocent&quot; question. Many thanks for your time. I have already looked at users with more-or-less the name I vaguely remember and probably that user disappeared. I should tell this story to my good collegue Alex Ravsky (https://math.stackexchange.com/users/71850/alex-ravsky) who had high reputation on SE but had closed his account as a protest against two unexplained downvotes to his innocent question on meta-SE. So, the (virtual) life is rich of many such strange stories." CreationDate="2018-02-25T09:32:55.333" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="16003" PostId="3630" Score="3" Text="It seems to me a bit premature to accept an answer so quickly. (Especially since we do not know whether it really works. I will try once again after the next update of the data in SEDE, but so far I did not find any 1000+ users that were removed.) Another thing is that if there is already an accepted answer, it slightly discourages others from answering - maybe somebody can offer much better answer for your inquiry." CreationDate="2018-03-04T09:07:37.907" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15980" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/591/editing-titles-to-include-mathfraklatex-math" CreationDate="2018-02-28T16:32:51.020" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15981" PostId="3631" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila, thanks.  My question was only incidentally about whether this is in accord with community norms (which the linked question says that it is not), and more about whether there is any way to suggest to this particular user that he stop." CreationDate="2018-02-28T16:51:33.763" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="15982" PostId="3631" Score="1" Text="You can ping the editor, for example @Martin will be notified on this comment despite not leaving any comment of his own. And you can direct their attention to this thread." CreationDate="2018-02-28T16:52:23.053" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15983" PostId="3631" Score="4" Text="I assume you are aware that simply writing @username in a post does not notify the user. I have [pinged the user you mentioned](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/43125882#43125882) to make him aware of your post on meta." CreationDate="2018-02-28T16:52:26.303" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15984" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="Real nice, @Martin, way to ruin my demonstration! :)" CreationDate="2018-02-28T16:53:35.553" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="15985" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="I have added some tags which are, in my opinion, relevant for your question. I hesitated a bit whether to add also ([meta-tag:suggested-edits]), but I do not think that it matters for the question whether the edits in question were added by a user with full edit privileges or after review. I did not add ([meta-tag:specific-user]) either, since I assume you are interested in the general issue rather than in this particular instance." CreationDate="2018-02-28T17:43:43.013" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15986" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, I didn't know that; thanks!  (Has the behaviour always been this way?  I thought I remembered reading explicitly that it *didn't* happen.)" CreationDate="2018-02-28T18:09:16.890" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="15987" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, I do know that `@`ing a user in the post doesn't ping him (I just treat it as punctuation to indicate that I am directly or indirectly addressing a user rather than simply mentioning his or her name), but I didn't know *how* to ping him; now @‍AsafKaragila has cleared that up.  Since @‍AsafKaragila also mentions that the general question has already been asked and addressed, I think that `specific-user` is appropriate.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2018-02-28T18:10:49.560" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="15990" PostId="3631" Score="5" Text="If that what I did  breaks the rules of community I can stop it with easy :D I just Do not like the ugly title lines with not texifying content :D &#xA;It is true that @ did not ping me. &#xA;Martin left comment on my question, only after that I found out of that." CreationDate="2018-02-28T21:09:43.683" UserId="73577" />
  <row Id="15991" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="You can't ping two users in one comment, LSpice." CreationDate="2018-02-28T22:04:08.733" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15992" PostId="3631" Score="4" Text="Anyway, in similar cases, I have flagged a post by the runaway editor for moderator attention, and used that flag to notify the moderator that the individual has gone on an editing spree." CreationDate="2018-02-28T22:07:02.997" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15993" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson, indeed; I was demonstrating my commitment to using `@` as a punctuation mark.  (One has to fight the software even to *type* a message that *appears* to `@`-notify two users.)" CreationDate="2018-02-28T22:31:36.470" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="15994" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="Why would you want to demonstrate a commitment to something that makes you look stupid, LSpice?" CreationDate="2018-02-28T22:36:52.210" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15995" PostId="3631" Score="5" Text="@GerryMyerson, I think [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3631/repeated-texifying-of-question-titles#comment15994_3631) may be a bit harsher than necessary." CreationDate="2018-02-28T22:48:10.723" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="15996" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="You're probably right, LSpice. But it does make you look like someone who doesn't know that you can't ping two users in one comment." CreationDate="2018-03-01T00:35:53.563" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="15998" PostId="3631" Score="1" Text="Since these two things came up in the comments: The issue about @username in places where the user is not pinged was discussed before: [Is it good practice to write “@someone” in a question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/577) And since this might probably also be useful, I have posted a new question on meta about: [How to contact a MathOverflow user?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3634)" CreationDate="2018-03-03T18:44:20.117" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16023" PostId="3631" Score="1" Text="@EvgenyKuznetsov I have deleted the comment which I made just to attract your attention to this meta thread. If some of the links mentioned there are useful for you, the comment is still archived [here in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/43125887#43125887). And you can find a few more links to related discussion in my answer below." CreationDate="2018-03-09T11:36:06.320" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="15988" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  It was obviously well intentioned, so I don't want to leave any black mark against the user; I just didn't know how else to contact him (since I hadn't seen @AsafKaragila's [`@`ing tip](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3631/repeated-texifying-of-question-titles#comment15982_3631)).  Would it be appropriate for me to delete this question, since the general case has already been addressed, and I was asking about this specific user?" CreationDate="2018-02-28T18:12:23.027" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="15989" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="There's no black mark. In as much as other people might be tempted to ask a meta question about this situation, I think let's leave the post up at least for a while, leaving the option of deleting it later." CreationDate="2018-02-28T19:47:07.330" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="15997" PostId="3633" Score="4" Text="The MO logo is loaded from this svg file which is already a vector graphics file so far as I can tell https://cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/mathoverflow/img/sprites.svg?v=856fae355837" CreationDate="2018-03-03T08:38:14.187" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="15999" PostId="3633" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the sprite link!  I can reconstruct a vector version of the favicon from this - though the original would be preferable." CreationDate="2018-03-03T20:18:27.117" UserId="35913" />
  <row Id="16000" PostId="3633" Score="2" Text="@j.c. Why not posting your comment as an answer? From the OPs comment it seems that they can get what they want from your link. (And if later somebody else provides another answer, even better.)" CreationDate="2018-03-04T06:14:56.560" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16030" PostId="3633" Score="2" Text="This question posted a few hours ago might also be relevant: [Copyright of MathOverflow logo?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3645)" CreationDate="2018-03-10T07:07:51.763" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16001" PostId="3636" Score="0" Text="His network profile list shows he was on StackOverflow yesterday." CreationDate="2018-03-04T08:01:27.157" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16002" PostId="3636" Score="0" Text="I missed that. Quite embarrassing...." CreationDate="2018-03-04T08:19:08.793" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16005" PostId="3637" Score="3" Text="There are a few related threads on this meta (and many more on other metas). For example, [Change a question after counter example](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2839) or [Altering the question in a way that makes an answer obsolete](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2951) and [other posts linked there](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/2951)." CreationDate="2018-03-06T13:51:26.540" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16006" PostId="3637" Score="1" Text="Probably this discussion is the closest to your question I am able to find: [Questions with “accidental” trivial answers](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21126). However, it is from Mathematics Meta - which is a different site (although the overlap between the users is quite substantial)." CreationDate="2018-03-06T13:56:45.670" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16007" PostId="3637" Score="0" Text="Thanks Martin - I guess I should delete this question in order not to clutter meta.MO, if you agree?" CreationDate="2018-03-06T14:05:21.707" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="16008" PostId="3637" Score="2" Text="I think a small amount of redundancy (coupled with a fresh perspective) is important.  I would suggest editing to link the question to related questions.  You might highlight the answer given to the earlier version, crediting it instead of dismissing it.  Gerhard &quot;Variations Upon A Mathematical Theme&quot; Paseman, 2018.03.06." CreationDate="2018-03-06T16:30:30.537" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16009" PostId="3637" Score="2" Text="Also, I would keep this meta question, and its links to the others, to make it easier for a future reader to encounter this issue and its variations.  Gerhard &quot;Changes On A Meta Level&quot; Paseman, 2018.03.06." CreationDate="2018-03-06T16:32:31.200" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16010" PostId="3638" Score="0" Text="I have some comments and future questions which might be very important to the future of mathematics, so any help is much appreciated." CreationDate="2018-03-07T19:55:34.433" UserId="121591" />
  <row Id="16011" PostId="3638" Score="0" Text="You can try to request the merging the accounts yourself [using the standard tool](https://mathoverflow.net/help/merging-accounts). Maybe this will not work but still worth trying. It seems that users who were in similar situation in the past got similar advice: [How do I combine my two accounts?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/432)." CreationDate="2018-03-07T20:07:49.713" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16013" PostId="3638" Score="6" Text="Erin: there's a 'Contact' button squirreled away at the bottom of this page (scroll down to the gray area, and look under MathOverflow Meta at the far left). Hit that button; under the menu you will see an option for an account merger request, and take it from there. Experience shows you may have to wait a few days for the merger; report back here if you haven't had success in about 3 days time." CreationDate="2018-03-07T22:27:14.700" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17868" PostId="3638" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble: What has happened here? -- The account merger hasn't taken place, but rather Erin's original account appears to have been deleted(?)" CreationDate="2018-12-10T08:55:03.347" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20355" PostId="3638" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl She says she deleted an account here https://mathoverflow.net/questions/333967/are-either-pi-e-or-pi-e-transcendental-if-we-add-or-multiply-digit-wise. The thing is, site moderators are not able to merge accounts, so our ability to help is slightly limited although we can perhaps escalate attention to Community Management if she wants. And without an ID number, it's hard to track down the history of an account. So I'm afraid I can't answer your question." CreationDate="2019-06-15T16:07:22.500" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16014" PostId="3639" Score="2" Text="See also https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/598/list-of-recurrent-technical-problems-involving-mathjax" CreationDate="2018-03-08T02:40:25.790" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="16020" PostId="3639" Score="0" Text="Ah, [@EmilJeřábek](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3162/garbled-mathjax-in-some-old-questions#comment14096_3163) points out that an automatic migration was promised but never happened, so only manual intervention is possible.  Since this seems to be a duplicate, I will close." CreationDate="2018-03-08T15:41:47.187" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16022" PostId="3639" Score="2" Text="@jeq Let me take this opportunity to thank you for all the effort you put in manually fixing these posts." CreationDate="2018-03-08T17:02:57.127" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16015" PostId="3641" Score="6" Text="Flagging for migration does not automatically cause you to downvote, so I am really not sure what you are asking." CreationDate="2018-03-08T08:40:53.917" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="16016" PostId="3641" Score="3" Text="If I understand correctly what I read in some threads on meta.SE, downvotes are removed after the question is migrated, upvotes from the original sites are kept. You can find further information here and in other related posts: [Reset votes on migrated questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/87031)." CreationDate="2018-03-08T09:10:12.787" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16017" PostId="3641" Score="1" Text="A very recent example, a question [received two downvotes on MO](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/294664/timeline), then it was migrated, [the migrated version](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/2682006/timeline) has (at the moment) no upvotes and no downvotes" CreationDate="2018-03-08T09:11:34.760" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16018" PostId="3641" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, thanks for the clarification. It was indeed the recent question on MO that prompted my own here. Personally I think it's poor form to down-vote a question for no other reason than it needs to be migrated. I'm glad down-votes are at least removed when this is done.." CreationDate="2018-03-08T10:06:05.113" UserId="9909" />
  <row Id="16024" PostId="3641" Score="2" Text="Actually I have the problem that sometimes I want to vote to a question for migration, but this accounts as a closing vote too, so if 3 other people vote to close it, I'll be part of those who closed the question. This is absurd." CreationDate="2018-03-09T14:05:48.383" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16025" PostId="3641" Score="0" Text="By the way given that after clicking close, the option between &quot;See MathSE for general questions...&quot; and migration, which first requires clicking on &quot;The question belongs on another site&quot;, is not very transparent; at least it was initially unclear to me. One reason being that as non-native English speaker, I didn't know the distinction &quot;belongs to&quot;/ &quot;belongs on&quot;." CreationDate="2018-03-09T14:07:15.670" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16031" PostId="3641" Score="0" Text="@YCor I will just add link to older discussion which is related to the issues you raised in your last two comments: [Migrating to Math.SE: too many close reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2319) I have posted a few more links [in MathOverflow chat room](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/3/10) - I chose to post them there since I do not want to start long comment exchange about something which is not directly related to this question." CreationDate="2018-03-10T09:31:07.217" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16032" PostId="3641" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak thanks! I was going to say that I was not aware of the first link but I did a comment there 3 years ago. Most likely the problem will not be solved and it will be discussed somewhere else in 3 years :)" CreationDate="2018-03-10T09:34:26.440" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16033" PostId="3641" Score="3" Text="The question seems to be predicated on a false premise that the users of MO are of one mind and act in a coordinated way. So, some user thinks that the question would be a better fit elsewhere and votes to migrate, while another user thinks it's just a crappy question and downvotes it. One doesn't know about the other. How, exactly, would you expect these differences in opinion and in action to be prevented?" CreationDate="2018-03-10T15:45:45.130" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16048" PostId="3643" Score="2" Text="Along with things like IIRC, IMHO or LMFAO,  there must also be CNAM - could not agree more" CreationDate="2018-03-14T02:14:47.060" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="16034" PostId="3645" Score="8" Text="Note that regardless of the copyright status, you would likely have to consider trademark law before you could do anything &quot;interesting&quot; with the logo." CreationDate="2018-03-10T23:55:41.210" UserId="84575" />
  <row Id="16042" PostId="3645" Score="1" Text="I imagine that it's owned by the MO corporation https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/969/who-owns-mathoverflow/970#970 . If you have a specific reason for asking you may wish to write to board@mathoverflow.net ." CreationDate="2018-03-12T22:51:00.977" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="16044" PostId="3645" Score="5" Text="It would be good to get an official answer to this." CreationDate="2018-03-13T05:49:24.993" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="16035" PostId="3646" Score="2" Text="See https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1234/how-to-get-to-meta/1236#1236" CreationDate="2018-03-11T02:16:43.467" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="16036" PostId="3646" Score="0" Text="Related to second part of the question (the &quot;possibly unrelated&quot; part): [Chatroom links disappeared](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3611)." CreationDate="2018-03-11T02:42:38.143" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16037" PostId="3646" Score="0" Text="The &quot;StackExchange pulldown&quot; is now on the right of the top bar, after a site redesign. (Confusingly, the original icon on the left is still there, but now does something different, as you observed.)" CreationDate="2018-03-11T20:15:46.930" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16043" PostId="3646" Score="0" Text="Well, the chat link on the right is back now." CreationDate="2018-03-13T00:57:50.450" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="16039" PostId="3647" Score="4" Text="If you do, you should link to the older question and answers, indicate how your question is different and deserves a separate answer, and why the answers to the old question do not satisfy the new question.  Gerhard &quot;There Should Be A Reason&quot; Paseman, 2018.03.12." CreationDate="2018-03-12T14:43:12.713" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16040" PostId="3647" Score="3" Text="Even though this forum is a community effort, I advise against editing the question to add your special case.  Asking here is good, and getting explicit approval (in the form of comments or meta postings) from the original poster, or the moderators, or the community is better.  Gerhard &quot;There Should Be Some Agreement&quot; Paseman, 2018.03.12." CreationDate="2018-03-12T14:48:21.980" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16053" PostId="3647" Score="0" Text="This is the question I want to re-ask: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/250809/when-does-a-characteristic-subgroup-remain-characteristic-in-the-profinite-compl  The special case I'm interested in is when F is a free group of finite rank, and K is a finite index subgroup. I'm also more interested in necessary conditions rather than sufficient.Do you think this justifies opening a new question?" CreationDate="2018-03-14T10:16:33.247" UserId="108707" />
  <row Id="16058" PostId="3647" Score="0" Text="It can, if you frame the question right.  Not only do you need to mention the specifics of your special case, link to the original question, and mention what else is wanted, but you should motivate why looking at the specialization is warranted.  Even if it does get considered as a duplicate, you can use the comment section to get more feedback, and hopefully something that helps.  Gerhard &quot;So Give It A Try&quot; Paseman, 2018.03.14." CreationDate="2018-03-14T14:46:05.197" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16041" PostId="3648" Score="2" Text="In a very recent post (https://mathoverflow.net/questions/294779/), some discussion led the poster to change his question in a way that I could give an answer (in this case, something non-trivial but very classical). Still I had a serious doubt whether this was the intended question and whether once answered he wouldn't change the question. So I double checked, posting a comment. I got confirmation and posted a detailed answer." CreationDate="2018-03-12T20:32:48.870" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16045" PostId="3649" Score="7" Text="I'll just point out that a nearby site [has pronunciation tag](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/pronunciation) - by looking at the questions in that tag you can see whether they were well received. And there are a few discussion on Mathematics Meta about such questions, for example, [Questions about pronouncing names of mathematicians](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3409) and [Questions about how to read mathematical notation](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/19103). (They are a few years old - there's no guarantee that the community sees things the same way today.)" CreationDate="2018-03-13T17:32:59.880" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16046" PostId="3649" Score="1" Text="Of course, your question is about MathOverflow not about Mathematics - so take my comment just as a (hopefully useful) side note." CreationDate="2018-03-13T17:33:33.590" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16050" PostId="3649" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I worry that for some of the more niche names, people at math.SE might not know." CreationDate="2018-03-14T03:42:26.040" UserId="36720" />
  <row Id="16051" PostId="3649" Score="1" Text="Do you have an example?" CreationDate="2018-03-14T06:38:16.600" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16054" PostId="3649" Score="5" Text="My pronunciation question was closed as off-topic ... https://mathoverflow.net/questions/71652/pronunciation-vaughan-jones" CreationDate="2018-03-14T11:38:39.710" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="16077" PostId="3649" Score="5" Text="By the way, the word &quot;Hartshorne&quot; has (at least) two meaning. The one you meant is the person called Robin Hartshorne and in that meaning it is indeed pronounced &quot;Harts-horn&quot;. However, the same word also refers to his famous book. In that meaning it is pronounced &quot;Heart-shorne&quot;. Well, at least that's how I do it....but I mentioned this while giving a talk at MSRI many years ago with Harts-horn in the audience and he didn't object... :)" CreationDate="2018-03-19T16:51:55.020" UserId="10076" />
  <row Id="16080" PostId="3649" Score="1" Text="I'm very interested. Please link the question if you finally ask it. What are the variants for &quot;homotopy&quot;?!?" CreationDate="2018-03-20T10:58:35.170" UserId="66044" />
  <row Id="16081" PostId="3649" Score="1" Text="Maybe in this context it's worth linking to this question on the main: [How do you pronounce “Hartshorne”?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/20283) It seems that when it was asked almost 8 years ago, there was enough users who considered it off-topic and [voted to close](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/20283/revisions). From [the timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/20283/timeline) we can see that it was in reopen review queue once and the [result was leave closed](https://mathoverflow.net/review/reopen/54491)." CreationDate="2018-03-20T17:58:01.503" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16082" PostId="3649" Score="1" Text="@SándorKovács: excellent rationalization! For years I've been trying and failing  to call the book &quot;Harts-horn&quot; consistently, but now I know I was saying the right thing all along!" CreationDate="2018-03-21T14:27:38.590" UserId="114758" />
  <row Id="16084" PostId="3649" Score="1" Text="8 days passed, 9 upvotes, no downvote, no closure - and yet no answer? Weird! I'm also interested in the site policy about this, because I too have troubles with person's names in languages other than mine." CreationDate="2018-03-21T18:32:59.507" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="16085" PostId="3649" Score="1" Text="@PedroSánchezTerraf “HOH-muh-toh-pee”, “HAH-muh-toh-pee”, and “hah-MAH-tuh-pee” all seem to be used." CreationDate="2018-03-21T22:13:14.850" UserId="36720" />
  <row Id="16090" PostId="3649" Score="2" Text="@AviSteiner Whatever those strings mean, it looks like Navajo to me. Can you please write it in an unambiguous international standard, i.e., IPA?" CreationDate="2018-03-23T08:24:04.670" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16107" PostId="3649" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek :  Avi's three pronunciations are, in order, /ˈhowməˌtowpi/, /ˈhɑməˌtowpi/, and /həˈmɑtəpi/, at least using a phonemic transcription that works reasonably well for American accents." CreationDate="2018-03-24T05:55:06.700" UserId="8508" />
  <row Id="16109" PostId="3649" Score="0" Text="@TobyBartels If you are using “ow” to transcribe the phoneme which is pronounced the same way as the letter “o”, than I agree with your transcriptions." CreationDate="2018-03-24T05:59:46.880" UserId="36720" />
  <row Id="16111" PostId="3649" Score="1" Text="Yes, my opinions about how to transcribe long vowels phonemically in English, while not entirely idiosyncratic, are uncommon; but one nice thing about IPA is that, as long as you're reasonably familiar with the transcribed language, you should be able to sound out whatever's written and understand what's being said." CreationDate="2018-03-24T06:11:43.463" UserId="8508" />
  <row Id="16120" PostId="3649" Score="0" Text="@TobyBartels Thank you! Now it makes sense. I assume that all the /ɑ/ would be /ɒ/ in English dialects without the father-bother merger?" CreationDate="2018-03-24T20:12:32.600" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16127" PostId="3649" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek :  You're welcome, and yes about /ɒ/." CreationDate="2018-03-27T04:55:17.167" UserId="8508" />
  <row Id="16130" PostId="3649" Score="2" Text="Maybe [forvo](https://forvo.com/) would be more appropriated for asking these questions?" CreationDate="2018-03-27T19:57:43.247" UserId="22389" />
  <row Id="27252" PostId="3649" Score="0" Text="A related question posted recently: [Would this question be appropriate on the main site?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5304)" CreationDate="2022-05-02T06:20:31.760" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16049" PostId="3650" Score="5" Text="Would the board care to state a license (preferably an existing, lawyered-up one) that would apply to the logo? Or is it for the time being &quot;All rights reserved, but we're happy to discuss potential uses&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-03-14T03:39:20.693" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="16052" PostId="3650" Score="1" Text="Note that copyright does not have to be &quot;claimed&quot;. The way the law works, the creator  has copyright *automatically*, unless he explicitly releases the work into public domain (and the latter is only possible in certain jurisdictions; otherwise, the best possible is to release it with an all-permissive licence). It is possible, as stated in the question, that the logo is too trivial to be eligible for copyright, but I guess this is a hazy area and depends on legal opinion." CreationDate="2018-03-14T06:52:47.500" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16068" PostId="3650" Score="3" Text="Same for trademarks in the US; they don't need any official registration (though registration is available). That said, a trademark for MO would only prevent the logo to be used by someone in the same market. (For example, it would probably still be fine for a plumber named Mathew to operate under the name MathOverflow.)" CreationDate="2018-03-17T07:13:46.160" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="16070" PostId="3650" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts As far as legalese, section 2 of https://stackexchange.com/legal applies; MathOverflow, Inc, is one of the &quot;third parties&quot;. As far as I can tell, there is no reason to license the MO logo. I guess we could allow other parties to use our trademark, but that sounds strange to me." CreationDate="2018-03-17T16:40:31.940" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="16075" PostId="3650" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais well, licensed merchandise, for instance, not that there's a huge market for that. I guess you mean section 2. Network Content for the points of relevance to the OP." CreationDate="2018-03-19T05:22:54.053" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18368" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="It is arguable that the name &quot;MathOverflow&quot; is trademark under common law, at least in the US. Online/international enforcability is difficult, IANAL. (I only point this out as the more recent question https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4117/has-word-mathoverflow-trademark saw this answer as an argument as to why 'MathOverflow' is not trademarked and wanted to use the mathoverflow name as a domain name for a similar website.)" CreationDate="2019-02-12T01:50:26.133" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="16063" PostId="3652" Score="1" Text="I probably should mention that I have posted basically the same feature request on Mathematics Meta: [What about suggest tags feature?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/28060) Of course, the two sites are different, it is quite possible that the outcome of the discussion on this site and on that site will be different in the end." CreationDate="2018-03-15T09:16:12.513" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24626" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="minimum of 20k questions... no tag achieves this so far. Do I misunderstand?" CreationDate="2021-01-12T18:42:47.400" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24627" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="@YCor The way I understood it, it's 20k questions *on the site*. (When I [looked into chat](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=1687662#1687662), balpha's wording was: &quot;The training corpus should be at least around 20k questions.&quot;.)" CreationDate="2021-01-12T19:30:35.877" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24628" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="&quot;On the site&quot; as opposed to what?" CreationDate="2021-01-12T19:33:05.957" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24629" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="@YCor The way I understood it, you need 20k question on the site *in total*. Your comment suggests that the algorithm needs 20k questions *in a specific tag*." CreationDate="2021-01-12T19:35:51.060" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24630" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification! Of course I would like to see what such an algorithm proposes in a representative sample of recent existing questions before implementation. It might also encourage some existing unnecessary tags (e.g., adding [tag:matrices] to linear algebra questions when this is plainly unnecessary, adding [tag:polynomials] to questions about polynomial rings unrelated to individual polynomials, etc.)" CreationDate="2021-01-12T19:43:43.977" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24631" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="Of course, we should keep in mind that many questions on MO are tagged incorrectly ([perhaps 15-20%](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/54293429#54293429)). The quality of algorithm very likely depends also on the quality of the set of questions on which it is trained." CreationDate="2021-01-12T20:20:06.390" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24648" PostId="3652" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak If we elected you to be a moderator, could you handle this stuff yourself?  You do seem like the ideal candidate fwiw." CreationDate="2021-01-14T15:23:10.183" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="16086" PostId="3657" Score="1" Text="If the outcome of this discussion is that pronunciation questions are on-topic, maybe also creating the tag for such questions would be a reasonable thing to do. As already mentioned, there is [pronunciation tag](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/pronunciation) on Mathematics Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2018-03-22T09:58:38.677" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16110" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak How does one decide / who decides when a consensus is reached?" CreationDate="2018-03-24T06:05:16.987" UserId="36720" />
  <row Id="16317" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="In case somebody stumbles on this discussion, I'll add that now there is a separate question about the issue mentioned in @Avi Steiner's comment: [Who decides on a community policy?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3725) I have posted my suggestion for a new tag [in a separate post](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/194/help-improve-tagging/3728#3728), too." CreationDate="2018-05-09T04:54:05.720" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18182" PostId="3658" Score="0" Text="Are these really the same?" CreationDate="2019-01-19T22:57:12.727" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18189" PostId="3658" Score="0" Text="Not exactly the same, but quite closely related. I no longer remember if they are used in distinct ways. I think adding tag wikis would be nice, if one chooses to not merge them." CreationDate="2019-01-20T06:58:44.247" UserId="1445" />
  <row Id="18592" PostId="3658" Score="0" Text="Better provide numbers. [tag:laplacian]: 165 questions. [tag:laplace-equation]: 16 questions." CreationDate="2019-03-18T21:32:10.867" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18593" PostId="3658" Score="0" Text="Laplace equation has a precise meaning, namely refers to a classical PDE (laplacian equals zero). I see no particular problem to keep it separate." CreationDate="2019-03-18T21:34:26.103" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16089" PostId="3659" Score="2" Text="Is there a good way to search within such big lists?" CreationDate="2018-03-23T08:04:47.303" UserId="36720" />
  <row Id="16091" PostId="3659" Score="2" Text="it depends on the search and the organizational scheme.  I recommend a list for people and place names and a separate list for specific terms. Each entry would mention the word or phrase and relevant languages and mathematical domains.  One could use a browser's find in page feature, or an index set up in the question body, or use the MathOverflow search tool with question number and word, with an example search posted in the question.  Gerhard &quot;There Are Bad Ways Too&quot; Paseman, 2018.03.23." CreationDate="2018-03-23T14:58:00.430" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16129" PostId="3659" Score="0" Text="I think this is a nice idea. Moreover, such compilation would be useful to update Wikipedia where is missing IPA transcriptions." CreationDate="2018-03-27T19:57:20.397" UserId="22389" />
  <row Id="16088" PostId="3660" Score="1" Text="Your point about not thinking of the trivial example is very good - thanks for your post!" CreationDate="2018-03-23T07:27:06.660" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="16113" PostId="3660" Score="2" Text="Basically I agree with your arguments but I don't see any reason they support your conclusion; they could even support the opposite conclusion. When I read a question, I sort of trust the OP (esp. if not a new anonymous user) to have thought enough to discard too trivial counterexamples; if I unsuccessfully think about the question and then see it as settled because of a trivial degenerate example, I'd get even more frustrated." CreationDate="2018-03-24T07:54:02.080" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16114" PostId="3660" Score="2" Text="@YCor One legitimate way to use MO is to ask about things outside of one's direct area of expertise that come up in research, and I suppose my argument applies best to these sorts of questions. For instance it's not hard to imagine a geometer encountering a statement in homological algebra which is reasonable for coherent sheaves but fails if you view $\mathbb{Q}$ as a $\mathbb{Z}$-module or something (I don't have a specific example in mind).  It can be hard to get up to speed on the standard examples in the new area, and MO can be a good resource for others making the same journey later." CreationDate="2018-03-24T08:48:06.427" UserId="4362" />
  <row Id="16115" PostId="3660" Score="1" Text="Do you consider the discrete topological space with two elements as a &quot;standard example in the new area&quot; (to which it can be hard to get to a non-specialist in topology)?" CreationDate="2018-03-24T08:50:26.523" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16116" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="@YCor I don't know the backstory for that question specifically, but I could envision someone working primarily on Riemannian homogeneous spaces trying to make an argument work more generally and running into the OP's question along the way.  Such a person would not be particularly primed to consider two point spaces (though would probably feel silly in hindsight).  I suppose this discussion underscores the value of adding some motivation to a question." CreationDate="2018-03-24T08:58:06.047" UserId="4362" />
  <row Id="16117" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="Yes. we boil down to the question about what should be considered as trivial, which is of course subjective, but at least boils down to a standard subjective question for users of this site: which posts are suitable, which ones should be closed. One can think in this way before answering something potentially too trivial (for the replier) or before changing a question after a &quot;too trivial/ unexpected&quot; answer (for the OP). Namely, an answer is &quot;too trivial&quot; if it makes the question, literally interpreted so as to make the answer acceptable, prone to be closed as off-topic." CreationDate="2018-03-24T09:06:36.507" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16092" PostId="3662" Score="1" Text="Is that grotesque with a hard q or a silent q?  Gerhard &quot;Has Trouble With Name Pronunciation&quot; Paseman, 2018.03.23." CreationDate="2018-03-23T15:00:45.697" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16093" PostId="3662" Score="4" Text="I can’t for the life of me figure out how to interpret upvotes and downvotes on this answer. It’s probably a good thing they cancel out." CreationDate="2018-03-23T19:02:20.847" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16095" PostId="3662" Score="3" Text="Dear @Emil Jeřábek,  given the spelling my  own name name one might suspect a correlation between the votes and the sense (resp. lack) of humour of the voters . But this is certainly clear to someone of the same nationality as Jaroslav Hašek, Franz Kafka or  Milan Kundera :-) By the way, I'm happy to have learned how to pronounce your name [here](https://forvo.com/word/je%C5%99%C3%A1bek/)..." CreationDate="2018-03-23T19:21:08.623" UserId="450" />
  <row Id="16096" PostId="3662" Score="8" Text="Irony never works on the internet, and therefore all jokes one insists on making should be carefully explained (the comments do that now)." CreationDate="2018-03-23T19:35:29.663" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="16097" PostId="3662" Score="5" Text="Right. So an upvote may mean: (1) I agree that MO is not the right place for such a question, as written. (2) I agree that banning such questions is preposterous, as indicated by the sarcasm. (3) I couldn’t care less, but I like the joke." CreationDate="2018-03-23T20:24:23.710" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16098" PostId="3662" Score="1" Text="Dear @Christian, my experience with the internet has slowly started to convince me that unfortunately you might be right..." CreationDate="2018-03-23T21:02:05.880" UserId="450" />
  <row Id="16121" PostId="3665" Score="3" Text="Some suggestions can be found here: [How to copy mixture of text and latex formulas in a comment?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3234) (Mathematics Meta) From the possibilities listed there, the bookmarklet is really quick. However, it only works for comments under a question (not for comments under an answer). Maybe also other [posts linked there](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/3234) might be useful." CreationDate="2018-03-26T19:23:19.290" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16122" PostId="3665" Score="1" Text="It might be also worth checking Meta Stack Exchange: [Is there a way to view a comment's source?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/203390) (And maybe also [the linked questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/203390).)" CreationDate="2018-03-26T19:26:13.840" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16123" PostId="3665" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, thanks!  It sure seems like my question is a duplicate of your first linked one.  Do you agree?" CreationDate="2018-03-26T19:31:27.347" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16124" PostId="3665" Score="1" Text="Well, except we do not have cross-site duplicates - it's not on Meta Mathoverflow." CreationDate="2018-03-26T19:32:26.850" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16125" PostId="3665" Score="0" Text="You *should* retype it and, in fact, rewrite it. Copy and paste of a comment usually does not make a good answer (even if it can give the gist of the main idea)." CreationDate="2018-03-26T20:40:51.210" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16126" PostId="3665" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, I can buy that this is generally true, but the specific example that motivated it was [this post](https://mathoverflow.net/a/293994) copied nearly *literatim* from comments by [alpoge](https://mathoverflow.net/users/12138/alpoge), which is, I think, a counterexample." CreationDate="2018-03-26T21:15:55.333" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16128" PostId="3665" Score="1" Text="All right, there are surely exceptions, but the question is if they are frequent enough to warrant a special software support." CreationDate="2018-03-27T13:29:54.890" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16193" PostId="3670" Score="0" Text="Also, the iOS StackExchange app does not allow me to paste in comment fields at all.  That seems worth fixing." CreationDate="2018-04-04T19:51:18.803" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="16194" PostId="3670" Score="0" Text="@MattF. That seems only marginally related to the topic at hand. In any case, this thread seems to be about the problem you mentioned: [iOS 11 - unable to paste into comments](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/299803)." CreationDate="2018-04-05T03:49:21.673" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16156" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="I have added (specific-question) tag - see [the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/specific-question/info) for more details on this tag. If your intention was to ask about *general question* and your question only serves as an example, feel free to remove the tag. (But the way your question is phrased, I understand it as a question related only to this specific situation.)" CreationDate="2018-04-02T11:27:11.857" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16157" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks for the tag. I am asking for only my question" CreationDate="2018-04-02T11:30:52.050" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16162" PostId="3675" Score="2" Text="I suppose you will need help from moderators to do this. It seems to be slightly delicate problem, at least I'd guess so based on looking at some posts related to this: [Why can't mods undo a migration from main site X to Meta X?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/285804) and [Allow diamond moderators to reverse question migrations?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/35744)" CreationDate="2018-04-02T15:42:57.733" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16163" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="Also these posts seem somewhat related: [Migrations can be unilaterally rejected by OP under certain conditions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/247536) and [Migration to per-site meta should not be reversed by closing or deletion?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/133524)" CreationDate="2018-04-02T15:45:17.000" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16165" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I have asked for moderator attention. Did not get any response. If I delete here does it get migrated back?" CreationDate="2018-04-02T15:55:21.557" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16166" PostId="3675" Score="2" Text="You cannot delete your question since it has an upvoted answer. (For all the details see: [How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/5221)) The most reasonable course of action is, in my opinion, to wait a bit to see what the moderators do with the question." CreationDate="2018-04-02T16:11:59.067" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16167" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="I will wait for moderators reply.. @MartinSleziak" CreationDate="2018-04-02T17:09:42.277" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16169" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, I, too, have flagged for moderator attention." CreationDate="2018-04-02T23:35:19.987" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16170" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="Deleting, when you can do it, just deletes; it doesn't do anything else." CreationDate="2018-04-03T00:07:52.827" UserId="48111" />
  <row Id="16172" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Thanks." CreationDate="2018-04-03T03:38:26.160" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16213" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="Now that the issue has been solved, wouldn't it make sense for this question to be deleted? It is way too particular in order to be of any use to the readers of this site." CreationDate="2018-04-13T14:32:37.297" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="16221" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="My opinion: I don't think giving information about search you have done is appropriate content for a question. I mean not specifically for MO, but in general. Giving information is something opposite to asking a question, which one does when one needs to receive information, not give it." CreationDate="2018-04-16T04:36:25.600" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="16175" PostId="3677" Score="0" Text="A link to the new location would be nice." CreationDate="2018-04-03T12:27:57.337" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16176" PostId="3677" Score="5" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/questions/296693/references-on-gerbes @GerryMyerson" CreationDate="2018-04-03T13:06:14.467" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16178" PostId="3677" Score="2" Text="Just out of curiosity, the way to achieve this was simply deletion of the migrated version, as suggested in [this answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/285804/why-cant-mods-undo-a-migration-from-main-site-x-to-meta-x/285805#285805) (and some other posts)?" CreationDate="2018-04-03T13:36:24.927" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16190" PostId="3677" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak That is correct." CreationDate="2018-04-04T07:17:13.197" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="16219" PostId="3677" Score="0" Text="If the question has now been deleted, can this post be updated to reflect that?" CreationDate="2018-04-15T13:34:11.060" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="16182" PostId="3679" Score="0" Text="The post was migrated back to MO and then deleted." CreationDate="2018-04-03T17:35:26.670" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16183" PostId="3679" Score="0" Text="I know that but link for MO question is still giving meta question @ToddTrimble" CreationDate="2018-04-03T17:38:27.940" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16184" PostId="3679" Score="1" Text="More likely is that the link is to a cached copy in your browser. Gerhard &quot;Clearing Browser Cache Solves Much&quot; Paseman, 2018.04.03." CreationDate="2018-04-03T17:53:44.233" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16187" PostId="3679" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman it helped" CreationDate="2018-04-04T01:24:02.780" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16191" PostId="3680" Score="0" Text="Yes, it is resolved. Thank you :)" CreationDate="2018-04-04T08:23:20.447" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16197" PostId="3685" Score="6" Text="If I'm not mistaken, the SE software has a variety of mechanisms in place to detect abuse and correct for it; you may well find that these downvotes are reverted once the software does its job." CreationDate="2018-04-07T19:00:23.203" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16198" PostId="3685" Score="2" Text="To add to @CarloBeenakker's comment, links to some basic info about this can be found in [serial-voting tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/serial-voting/info). However, only 3 of the downvotes are very close to each other, I am not sure whether that is enough for the reversal script to kick in." CreationDate="2018-04-07T22:55:38.250" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16199" PostId="3685" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your comments! Maybe I should delete this post then if the information is otherwise available?" CreationDate="2018-04-08T06:06:35.693" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="16200" PostId="3685" Score="6" Text="Dominic, let me take this opportunity to express my appreciation for all your activities on MathOverflow.  I've enjoyed so many of your questions, which I find so often to be imaginative, playful and interesting. To my way of thinking, one learns mathematics best simply by playing around with ideas, combining them and seeing where they lead, and my impression is that you follow a similar philosophy. Please don't let a few downvotes get you down. Most of us recognize that people who ask many interesting questions are the main source of success for MathOverflow. So keep up the good work!" CreationDate="2018-04-09T13:05:42.220" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="16201" PostId="3685" Score="4" Text="Many thanks, @JoelDavidHamkins - and vice versa, I am often amazed by your deep and original answers to all sorts of questions! It escapes me how you can be so incredibly productive. I look forward to many more answers (and questions) of yours!" CreationDate="2018-04-09T13:20:46.900" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="16202" PostId="3687" Score="0" Text="Just to clarify, is this only about &quot;meta tags&quot; (such as reference-request or counterexamples) or also about tags with actual mathematical content. (For example, are you also asking whether if *after* an answers is posted it becomes clear that the question is related to infinitary combinatorics and in the question the relation to this are is not clear, then the corresponding tag should be given.)" CreationDate="2018-04-10T11:05:18.177" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16203" PostId="3687" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak it is primarily about metatags, but if the answer exhibits connections to other areas of mathematics, I would also think that adding those tags could be helpful." CreationDate="2018-04-10T11:09:15.560" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="16204" PostId="3687" Score="2" Text="I will mention that there were some related discussions on other metas (although not primarily about meta tags - if I may use that name). Here are examples from Mathematics Meta and Meta Stack Exchange: &#xA;[Retagging after an answer is given](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2612),&#xA;[Should I retag a question with a tag that is based on the answer and not the question?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/26913) and&#xA;[Should we retag questions with topics proposed in the answers?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/59333)" CreationDate="2018-04-10T11:26:25.680" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16211" PostId="3687" Score="0" Text="The meta-tags (counter)examples and reference-request sound to me of limited interest: the first is often completely useless (applies to too many questions); the second at least has the role of saying that the primary intention of the OP is to get references, rather than, say, a proof/construction. So this utility would not apply to mean that an answer provides a reference. &quot;algorithm&quot; is another problem (whether is should be called a meta-tag is questionable)." CreationDate="2018-04-13T06:01:03.460" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16212" PostId="3687" Score="1" Text="In the case of meta-tags my opinion to your question is clearly no: completely useless. On the other hand adding a mathematical tag because an answer shows a connection unexpected by the OP (e.g., adding &quot;lo.logic&quot; because one realizes that many people in logic have thought about the question, etc) has the effect of making the post visible to potentially interested users and therefore can be a good idea." CreationDate="2018-04-13T06:05:52.880" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16214" PostId="3687" Score="0" Text="@YCor contrary to your opinion, I don't believe that metatags for answers are completely useless if one has the idea of scrutinizing MO for interesting algorithms, examples, counterexamples, etc. Such searches will be more effective, if it is possible to tell that it is in the answers or if the OP was looking for it. In a nutshell the metatags in answers would provide search keys for improved database functionality." CreationDate="2018-04-14T04:14:17.023" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="16215" PostId="3687" Score="0" Text="@ManfredWeis I didn't claim &quot;algorithm&quot; is useless, about it I only said it's not clear that it's a meta-tag. Concerning examples/counterexamples (which are essentially equivalent), there are 410+115 questions with such tags... it's probably less that 10% than the number of actual questions asking for an example of something." CreationDate="2018-04-14T06:04:06.297" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16205" PostId="3688" Score="1" Text="Could you elaborate on specific properties of this &quot;feature&quot; that you have in mind?  Right now it looks rather vague." CreationDate="2018-04-11T04:37:27.260" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="16206" PostId="3688" Score="1" Text="You might look for earlier posts in meta and on MathOverflow about finding collaborators.  Unless you have a specific feature in mind, I suggest you place such requests on your MathOverflow user page, and make occasional references to this in your other forum postings.  Gerhard &quot;That's How I Did It&quot; Paseman, 2018.04.10." CreationDate="2018-04-11T04:50:47.170" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16207" PostId="3688" Score="1" Text="Somewhat related older post: [Where/how does one best post “Seeking a collaborator”](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1955). (Maybe you can find some other posts on this topic.)" CreationDate="2018-04-11T05:03:28.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16208" PostId="3688" Score="0" Text="Scott, thanks for the reply. Please see my amended post, #1." CreationDate="2018-04-11T09:14:37.933" UserId="2623" />
  <row Id="16217" PostId="3691" Score="0" Text="I think I found my answer here https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/950/who-owns-my-mathoverflow-posts. Please correct me if I am wrong." CreationDate="2018-04-15T09:02:46.787" UserId="123251" />
  <row Id="16218" PostId="3691" Score="0" Text="If you had no feedback to your question you can do as if nothing happened." CreationDate="2018-04-15T11:36:56.747" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16220" PostId="3691" Score="0" Text="Ycor may be right.  If it were me in your situation, I would ask for an email (or a letter from their legal team) from a Stackexchange representative to make sure things were OK on their end.  Gerhard &quot;Covering Your Assets Is Smart&quot; Paseman, 2018.04.15." CreationDate="2018-04-15T18:47:52.290" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16226" PostId="3692" Score="0" Text="You mean. Anyone can use it because it was on MO?" CreationDate="2018-04-17T02:05:11.707" UserId="123251" />
  <row Id="16227" PostId="3692" Score="1" Text="Not sure I understand your question.  The links you posted describe the copyright situation.  That covers the text.  Legally, as long as they don’t directly copy text that is copyrighted, anyone can write about or use any ideas they want, no matter how they heard about it.  Academic norms say that they need to properly attribute ideas that are due to other people, but those norms are not part of the law.  They are enforced through custom and social pressure; people who violate them risk being ostracised from the academic community." CreationDate="2018-04-17T02:42:23.377" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16222" PostId="3693" Score="3" Text="I think your criticism of my proposed mechanism is valid and therefore accepted this answer. Thanks for posting it!" CreationDate="2018-04-16T09:05:35.703" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="20874" PostId="3695" Score="1" Text="This now has an accepted answer." CreationDate="2019-08-14T20:48:12.297" UserId="6756" />
  <row Id="16223" PostId="3696" Score="0" Text="I can imagine the badge calculations change in such a way that this question is ineligible, whereas the same question posted four years later might be eligible, for the badges.  If you provide more details as to what you expect and why, we can refine our speculations.  Gerhard &quot;Iffy, This Whole Badge Business&quot; Paseman, 2018.04.16." CreationDate="2018-04-16T21:30:27.720" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16224" PostId="3696" Score="0" Text="well, the expected behaviour would have been the award of the &quot;nice answer&quot; badge and the &quot;enlightened&quot; badge (embarassing name, but that's what it's called)" CreationDate="2018-04-16T21:39:02.763" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16225" PostId="3696" Score="0" Text="OK. Although someone here may know, my guess is the trivia question is mostly independent of MathOverflow.  Gerhard &quot;You're Nicely Enlightened Enough Already?&quot; Paseman, 2018.04.16." CreationDate="2018-04-16T21:42:05.400" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16229" PostId="3697" Score="0" Text="brilliant, thank you very much for this detailed and authoritative answer!" CreationDate="2018-04-17T06:10:31.953" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16233" PostId="3699" Score="0" Text="I suppose &quot;blocked from asking&quot; refers to the [question ban](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/post-ban/info) on the target site. It seems that in such cases the migration is not possible: [Block migration if user is suspended/question-blocked at destination](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/102293). (Perhaps on this basis, adding also ([meta-tag:post-ban]) might be reasonable...?)" CreationDate="2018-04-17T11:26:12.093" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16234" PostId="3699" Score="3" Text="I don't know the specifics (yet) about this case, but a user can be blocked from asking because of a negative reputation score, or being under suspension, etc. Some relevant information can be found here https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86997/what-can-i-do-when-getting-we-are-no-longer-accepting-questions-answers-from-th/86998#86998 and here https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/151445/account-banned-from-asking-questions-despite-being-compliant-with-rules Some of this is automated by software whose precise algorithm is not publicly discernable." CreationDate="2018-04-17T11:32:09.273" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16243" PostId="3699" Score="0" Text="The fact that the rejection of the migration is displayed neither in the [revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/297985/revisions) nor in the [timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/297985/timeline) seems unusual to me. Can somebody with 10k+ reputation check whether some information about this question is at least displayed in [migrations stats](https://mathoverflow.net/tools/posts/migrated/rejected) under [moderator tools](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/moderator-tools)?" CreationDate="2018-04-21T08:17:21.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16244" PostId="3699" Score="0" Text="I have also asked this question on Meta Stack Exchange: [Information about migration rejected because of post-ban/suspension?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/309286) Maybe somebody will answer it and add additional explanation whether there was an easy way to find out that the migration was blocked/rejected because of the question ban." CreationDate="2018-04-21T08:18:39.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16245" PostId="3699" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I didn't see it in the migration stats." CreationDate="2018-04-21T15:16:40.430" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16235" PostId="3700" Score="1" Text="Well -- you can also vote on answers to closed questions. So I guess this is intended behavior of the software." CreationDate="2018-04-18T08:43:30.213" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16236" PostId="3700" Score="4" Text="&quot;closing&quot; only prevents new answers from appearing, it has no effect on pre-existing answers." CreationDate="2018-04-18T11:42:25.093" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16237" PostId="3700" Score="0" Text="Out of curiosity, when I downvote a question/answer and the question is closed, do I lose a rep-point? I noticed that usually when I do such downvotes I don't lose a point, but I haven't precisely seen at which point is the minus-one cost canceled (when the question is closed or when it's deleted?)" CreationDate="2018-04-20T07:51:35.793" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16241" PostId="3702" Score="0" Text="I took liberty to [edit the linked question](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/298369/revisions) using `&lt;s&gt;...&lt;/s&gt;` for strike through. (At the same time i corrected some typos.)  Here is link to the [revision after my edit](https://mathoverflow.net/revisions/298369/6). Is that at least approximately what you wanted to achieve? (I should also say that already without using this the last sentence is sufficiently set apart from the text of the text.)" CreationDate="2018-04-21T06:06:28.760" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16242" PostId="3702" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Thank you  for  your  answer  to my meta  and  your kindly edit of my MO post." CreationDate="2018-04-21T06:17:18.437" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="16246" PostId="3704" Score="0" Text="Whether having the tag (tag-removed) is actually needed on this site is a separate question - but that's probably discussion for another time. At the moment the tag exists and since it is sometimes used for questions which belong on a different site, it is reasonable to ask whether the tag influences migration." CreationDate="2018-04-23T05:16:56.333" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16266" PostId="3704" Score="1" Text="The typical use of &quot;tag-removed&quot; is of a highly off-topic question with fantasist tags (a frequent one being algebraic-geometry, say for some high school homework question). These questions are not prone to be migrated. This also affects pure spams, which use random tags. Once another user changed &quot;set-theory&quot; to 'tag-removed&quot; a question about terminology of partially defined functions, and I reverted (while the question was off-topic but reasonable for MathSE- I think it was closed): tag-removed is unnecessary there and set-theory wasn't that bad." CreationDate="2018-04-27T02:26:59.883" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16247" PostId="3705" Score="0" Text="It was highly demotivate actually. Felt an impression of highly unfriendly community." CreationDate="2018-04-23T23:19:23.920" UserId="45085" />
  <row Id="16252" PostId="3705" Score="7" Text="&quot;we should not read any rules to use a website&quot; I disagree. If you don't read the laws in your country you're going to get into great troubles." CreationDate="2018-04-24T02:48:29.360" UserDisplayName="user123656" />
  <row Id="16254" PostId="3705" Score="0" Text="@user202729, rules of using should be intuitive. People usually do not read software agreements. This is so because time is the most important thing in life." CreationDate="2018-04-24T07:20:31.953" UserId="45085" />
  <row Id="16255" PostId="3705" Score="8" Text="Time is important for other people too. If you asked this on the correct site, users here would not need to take time to close/migrate it." CreationDate="2018-04-24T07:27:53.963" UserDisplayName="user123656" />
  <row Id="16262" PostId="3705" Score="2" Text="@Sergei People usually don't read the IKEA manual either, this doesn't change that those of us who do get to have more solid tables and beds. Complaining that &quot;rules of using should be intuitive&quot; is just not how things work." CreationDate="2018-04-25T10:41:50.980" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="16296" PostId="3710" Score="2" Text="If you are embarrassed by some blunder you made, can't you just delete all the body of the question/answer and write &quot;This question/answer was deleted because of a mistake&quot; or something similar?  Anyway, there are mistakes that are also fruitful, so it might make sense to leave them visible to some users." CreationDate="2018-05-02T08:25:20.170" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="16308" PostId="3710" Score="2" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: High reputation users can also see the edit history of deleted questions." CreationDate="2018-05-03T20:05:41.683" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="16312" PostId="3710" Score="2" Text="@NateEldredge: I understand this, but seeing a mistake by chance is a different thing that looking purposely for it." CreationDate="2018-05-07T11:10:12.043" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="16264" PostId="3711" Score="3" Text="What you said seems very reasonable for managing the site. I was going to say may be you can restrict this to just moderators but then as you said site can not be maintained by just 5/10 moderators with out other users help and you believe people with high reputation should be able to do that help. Fair enough." CreationDate="2018-04-26T10:49:36.240" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16265" PostId="3712" Score="0" Text="I understand the point :)" CreationDate="2018-04-26T15:44:49.673" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16286" PostId="3712" Score="3" Text="Let me add to the last sentence that, when one sees &quot;both deleted answers and the answers that have not been deleted,&quot; the site makes it very clear which answers have been deleted. Not only it the word &quot;deleted&quot; there (which someone could easily overlook) but the whole answer is shown on a pink background" CreationDate="2018-04-29T11:22:40.660" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="16289" PostId="3712" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: *&quot;10k+ users can also see recent deletions in moderator tools, but self-deletions are not listed there.&quot;* Some of them are - those in the undeletion queue." CreationDate="2018-04-29T17:16:03.557" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="16291" PostId="3712" Score="0" Text="@AlexM. I suppose you mean the list of recent undelete votes which is shown in the 10k+ tools. I'd say that this is a bit different from what I describe - for a post to get there, at least one undelete vote by another user has to be cast first. And this user had to find the question in some way. (This is different to the list of recently deleted questions - no action by a particular user is needed, the question is automatically included there when it is deleted.)" CreationDate="2018-05-01T07:40:46.023" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16267" PostId="3713" Score="7" Text="Isn't the main question here how many mathematicians asked a question on MathOverflow some time, and did not become regular users due to the feedback they got? -- And if so, how would you get useful information on this by asking on this site?" CreationDate="2018-04-27T09:48:22.370" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16268" PostId="3713" Score="10" Text="@StefanKohl Word of mouth I suppose. For example, during a department tea someone may mention using MathOverflow, and others chime in with why they don't use MO because of treatment they got. Of course this may be anecdotal and hard to quantify. But there could be lessons nonetheless." CreationDate="2018-04-27T10:38:56.773" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16269" PostId="3713" Score="3" Text="[This blog post by Jon Skeet](https://codeblog.jonskeet.uk/2018/03/17/stack-overflow-culture/), particularly the section on &quot;Differences in goals and expectations&quot; seems relevant to me." CreationDate="2018-04-27T15:06:39.553" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="16280" PostId="3713" Score="18" Text="Well, seeing this post it is difficult not to mention relatively recent fedja's question: [Should we exercise a bit more tolerance towards newcomers?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3518)" CreationDate="2018-04-28T07:50:41.360" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16281" PostId="3713" Score="3" Text="Partly before Carlo Beenakker's question seems to be asking also what experience users have on MO and partly because some of the answers in the linked question seem to address also some related issues, I will also add link to this [Why all the negativity?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3168):" CreationDate="2018-04-28T09:24:55.637" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16285" PostId="3713" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak, we might also consider:  Should we exercise a bit less tolerance towards old-timers?  Newcomers might feel more welcomed by more consistency." CreationDate="2018-04-29T00:20:48.400" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="16287" PostId="3713" Score="8" Text="There is a technical problem with the &quot;no downvotes&quot; suggestion that you have added to your post. When a question is closed as off-topic, it should eventually be removed from the site. (Probably after the OP was told where to ask and why the post is off-topic, ideally in a manner which is compatible with the &quot;Be nice&quot; policy.) Without any downvotes, the question is less likely to be deleted by [roomba](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba) or at least it takes much longer. And judging by the past discussion, MO users are [not too keen on manual deletions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2232)." CreationDate="2018-04-29T12:01:09.490" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16288" PostId="3713" Score="4" Text="@MartinSleziak: On the other hand, a question might be closed in order to get edited and improved by its author, only to be reopened later. Alas, in this case the downvotes will stay, even if the edited version is better - how many of you have returned to a post that you have downvoted to see if it had been edited, and possibly retract your vote? I say close, but do not downvote unless the question is *really* bad." CreationDate="2018-04-29T17:10:59.953" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="16290" PostId="3713" Score="2" Text="@AlexM. I should probably have that made clearer, but my response to the last part of the (current revision of the) question was made under the impression that the OP refers to the posts that are *clearly* off-topic. For example, stuff such as introductory calculus or linear-algebra exercise has virtually no chance of getting reopened, even if it is edited. (And it also depends of number of such posts. Having 10% off-topic questions on the front page would probably still be tolerable. If they were 90% of new posts, that would certainly be a problem.)" CreationDate="2018-05-01T07:04:16.100" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25075" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="While looking for something else I stumbled upon a thread called [MO unwelcoming?](http://msleziak.com/mathoverflow/tea/discussion/147/mo-unwelcoming/) posted on tea (the old meta) back in 2010." CreationDate="2021-02-16T13:11:13.057" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29550" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="@AlexM. After a question is edited, you can reverse your downvote." CreationDate="2024-01-31T01:20:27.750" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29556" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="@DavidWhite: Yes, but how do I find out whether it has been edited? Especially if the edit comes a long time after the downvote, when the question has become inactive and has slipped out of my mind." CreationDate="2024-01-31T08:24:57.070" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="29558" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="I guess the edit bumps the thread to the main page, and my browser colors the link differently so I know this is one I already clicked. Then, I remember that it's one I downvoted and seeing that it's been edited, I click it again to see if it's better. The ones I miss are the ones that get retagged and end up hidden from me on the front page." CreationDate="2024-01-31T11:59:00.123" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="16270" PostId="3715" Score="1" Text="Could it be this? https://mathoverflow.net/questions/128940/random-rings-linked-into-one-component?rq=1" CreationDate="2018-04-27T17:13:37.740" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16271" PostId="3715" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: YES! &quot;Random rings linked into one component?&quot; Perhaps the search was difficult because I used &quot;rings&quot; rather than &quot;circles&quot; in the title. Thank you! May I ask: How did you find it?" CreationDate="2018-04-27T17:27:48.603" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="16272" PostId="3715" Score="1" Text="I think my Google search terms were &quot;joseph o'rourke mathoverflow linked circles&quot; and it was the third result appearing (and the first I tried). I figured &quot;linked&quot; rather than &quot;interlocked&quot; might give better returns. :-)" CreationDate="2018-04-27T18:40:36.353" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16273" PostId="3715" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble: Shows how personalized is Google search now. That same string of words doesn't get me even close: four pages of misses." CreationDate="2018-04-27T21:23:52.903" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="16274" PostId="3715" Score="0" Text="I guess!  But just now I tried &quot;linked circles&quot; in the search function for MathOverflow, and I found it round about result 5 (and result 2 under your name). Do you get the same behavior?" CreationDate="2018-04-27T23:22:40.360" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16275" PostId="3715" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: Yes, exactly the same. Very simple! Of course StackExchange doesn't personalize searches like Google does." CreationDate="2018-04-27T23:53:37.893" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="16277" PostId="3715" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I would suggest that you could expand your comments to an answer. (Perhaps including, as in one of your comments, what exactly you used for searching.) If not for other reason, you deserve the credit both for taking the time - even if only in the form of a few upvotes on meta. And also the description how you searched might be useful for other users and it will be more visible in answer than comments. (And perhaps also the fact that Google returns different results for different people might be worth mentioning.)" CreationDate="2018-04-28T06:26:22.663" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16278" PostId="3715" Score="0" Text="I will add that if I search for [joseph o'rourke mathoverflow linked circles](https://www.google.com/search?q=joseph+o%27rourke+mathoverflow+linked+circles) as suggested in Todd Trimble's comment, I get the linked post among top results. (I have also added a link, so that if we compare whether the Google search behaves very differently for other users, we make sure that we are using exactly the same search.)" CreationDate="2018-04-28T06:28:12.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16282" PostId="3715" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I feel my comments are *ad hoc* and don't rise to a methodology as your own answer does, and would be of limited use to others in a similar situation. Thanks for the invitation anyway. I got enough &quot;credit&quot; from Joseph's expression of appreciation, and I'm glad to have helped." CreationDate="2018-04-28T11:29:13.243" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16283" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="This is very useful, Martin! Even just `user:me` is quite helpful." CreationDate="2018-04-28T11:38:08.550" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="16284" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="Well `user:me` indeed restrict the search results a lot. Although it is different for users like me (I only have to search only among a few posts if I am looking for my own post) and some exceptional users who even after this restriction get more than thousand posts. :-)" CreationDate="2018-04-28T12:03:47.067" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16319" PostId="3718" Score="0" Text="Seems a good suggestion to me... What does &quot;TL;DR&quot; mean?" CreationDate="2018-05-10T10:01:03.803" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="16320" PostId="3718" Score="0" Text="@NickGill WP: [TL;DR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TL;DR): &quot;TL;DR, short for &quot;too long; didn't read&quot;, is Internet slang ..... It is also used as a signifier for a summary of an online post or news article.&quot; (I have adde link also to the post.)" CreationDate="2018-05-10T11:10:46.817" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18502" PostId="3718" Score="0" Text="A few more comments on this: [Blacklisting (deprecated) tags while they still exist](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/blacklisting-deprecated-tag-while-they-still-exist)." CreationDate="2019-03-05T06:48:03.297" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21535" PostId="3718" Score="0" Text="A (subsequent) same suggestion concerning abstract-algebra with some more info: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2744/14094" CreationDate="2020-02-01T00:46:00.000" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21536" PostId="3718" Score="0" Text="One should first retag all questions using exactly one of these tags. I've done the job for [tag:abstract-algebra], namely about 17 questions. For [tag:geometry] there are about 30 such questions and it's possibly a bit harder. For [tag:discrete-mathematics] I haven't counted, but it should be easier (as [tag:co.combinatorics] is a good replacement in most cases) ." CreationDate="2020-02-01T00:54:01.977" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21537" PostId="3718" Score="0" Text="@YCor Since you've mentioned questions which only have single tags, I have posted the summary [here in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/about-blacklisting-deprecated-tags-again). However, I suggested blacklisting those tags mainly to prevent them from being added to new posts - I think this can be done without retagging the old posts. (Burnination would be a different matter - but nobody is going to actually suggest burnination or merging of those tags without major cleanup before that.)" CreationDate="2020-02-01T01:11:44.037" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21538" PostId="3718" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I actually thought of burninating the tag abstract-algebra and I'm definitely suggesting this (I thought blacklisting was strictly stronger). Browsing through the list of about 270 posts with this tag, almost all have a reasonable tag in addition (I have retagged all tagged only abstract-algebra, and also retagged a few more, notably when they had only narrow or non-specific or meta tags)." CreationDate="2020-02-01T06:23:35.210" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16292" PostId="3719" Score="5" Text="is there any evidence for the stated &quot;reason why so many professional mathematicians avoid MO&quot;? I am not a mathematician, but as a physicist I would be thrilled to have a forum of brilliant scientists that would solve my research problems, and would be delighted to have these as co-authors." CreationDate="2018-05-01T15:44:33.510" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16293" PostId="3719" Score="1" Text="@CarloBeenakker: Well, my former PhD supervisor was a bit reluctant, or, well, expressed that one needs to keep this in mind. And he is not active on MO (to my knowledge).&#xA;&#xA;I guess it depends a bit if the goal of the research is solving the problems, or building a career - The most efficient way of doing research might ruin your career (if one does not have a tenured position yet) in some sense." CreationDate="2018-05-01T17:32:27.667" UserId="1056" />
  <row Id="16303" PostId="3719" Score="21" Text="A problem that can be solved in an afternoon and whose answer fits into a MO answer is not nearly substantial enough to form an important part of one's research program.  I don't think people generally post the main problems that they are working on, but rather questions concerning technical issues or side problems that arise while working on bigger things." CreationDate="2018-05-02T16:00:48.087" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16323" PostId="3719" Score="0" Text="Well, there is also too the fact that if you truly have a specific question related to your own area of research, as brilliant as this community is, the probability that one of the 4 or 5 people who are experts on that particular area will be hanging out *here* (e.g, any one particular place), within a short time interval, are pretty rare. If you are that well-known yourself chances are you know who can answer your question and you'd just email them directly, expecting a timely response" CreationDate="2018-05-10T20:22:41.277" UserId="122188" />
  <row Id="16295" PostId="3721" Score="0" Text="Some user has said something that is not an answer for my question,, Can I ask him to delete his post?? “no law nor international treaty guaranteeing everyone the right to a satisfactory answer“ thank you." CreationDate="2018-05-02T08:14:54.633" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16297" PostId="3721" Score="0" Text="You can ask anyone to do anything. Whether the user will comply, or agree with your opinion, is another matter. You can always flag the user's answer for moderator attention, and let a moderator decide." CreationDate="2018-05-02T09:06:32.020" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16298" PostId="3722" Score="0" Text="What can I do if he does not even respond :O" CreationDate="2018-05-02T12:37:25.553" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16299" PostId="3722" Score="0" Text="I was thinking just checking some equality would not be considered as a question on MO. It was not the main question. That post by User Tsemo show that that result is true. I have said &quot;assuming this, [---] I do not understand [---]&quot;... I said this before the edit." CreationDate="2018-05-02T12:41:54.517" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16300" PostId="3722" Score="2" Text="No one can read your mind what the main question is, and in any case, if you ask multiple questions in a post, no one is obliged to answer all of them (that's generally a problem or risk when one asks multiple questions; it's probably good practice to avoid this when possible, although here too there are gray areas). Evidently Tsemo answered the part that he knew the answer to, and possibly he didn't really get what you're trying to ask in the question after that. BTW: questions about equalities *are* often asked (and basically, you *did* ask)." CreationDate="2018-05-02T13:01:54.360" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16301" PostId="3722" Score="1" Text="&quot;Evidently Tsemo answered the part that he knew the answer to&quot;... This is correct. What I can do is next time I ask just one question..." CreationDate="2018-05-02T13:10:44.223" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16302" PostId="3723" Score="5" Text="This suggestion seems related to some of the points you raised in your post: [Should users be shown some basic information before posting the first question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3386)" CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:21:04.897" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16309" PostId="3723" Score="1" Text="If the moderators do not make this change to the instructions then I am *very* confused with their intent. We should prefer clarity over shortness when informing newcomers." CreationDate="2018-05-03T20:45:47.520" UserId="12310" />
  <row Id="16310" PostId="3723" Score="2" Text="I agree that improving the instructions should be done. I disagree about this tactic substantially improving the reputation of MathOverflow, or improving the feel or experience of most new users because most new users (especially those of the type Federico wants to discourage) do not read the instructions.  There is a hope they read the answers and comments, and if those are phrased well, the answers and comments may be more effective than the instructions.  Gerhard &quot;Thank You For Reading This&quot; Paseman, 2018.05.03." CreationDate="2018-05-04T04:00:59.430" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="24561" PostId="3723" Score="1" Text="The feature request linked in my first comment is now moot, since Stack Exchange changed what is shown to the first-time askers. Now a similar feature request can be found here: [Customize the modal window for the first-time askers](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4806)." CreationDate="2021-01-11T09:45:53.030" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16305" PostId="3724" Score="3" Text="This seems related to your question: [How does accepting an answer work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/5234) and [How do I accept an answer?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3286)" CreationDate="2018-05-03T14:10:09.410" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16306" PostId="3724" Score="0" Text="Thank you! - I did not see these link when I searched, and  I thought the question was to obvious to be in a link that is given when you write the title..." CreationDate="2018-05-03T14:22:31.450" UserId="112382" />
  <row Id="16307" PostId="3724" Score="1" Text="Well, both links I've given are from other meta sites, not from this one - so if you searched here, it is not surprising that you did not find them. (I don't think that the same question has been asked and answered on this meta, but of course I cannot be sure.)" CreationDate="2018-05-03T14:25:26.810" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16340" PostId="3724" Score="0" Text="I am not sure what you mean by &quot;push-out&quot;. (Maybe a [tooltip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tooltip)?) But I have tried to answer at least your question about accepting answers." CreationDate="2018-05-19T05:44:01.867" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16311" PostId="3725" Score="6" Text="Personally, I prefer the word [consensus](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/search?q=consensus) over policy. While it is true that the Q&amp;A model has it's limitations and there are some network-wide rules, the sites are to some extent autonomous. (MO probably a bit more than other sites.) So questions like this example (&quot;Are questions about this on-topic on this site?&quot;) depend more on what local users want and thus on (at least partial) consensus among the community members. (The words *policy* - at least to me - seems to carry more weight. Of course, it is a fuzzy line - if there's a line at all.)" CreationDate="2018-05-07T05:43:02.510" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16313" PostId="3727" Score="11" Text="the arbitration clause produced quite an uproar --- https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309797/were-examining-the-implementation-of-arbitration-in-the-2018-tos-update/309804#309804" CreationDate="2018-05-08T11:23:36.810" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16314" PostId="3727" Score="1" Text="@CarloBeenakker: Does this clause apply to MathOverflow as well?" CreationDate="2018-05-08T15:48:42.047" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16315" PostId="3727" Score="2" Text="I'm pretty certain it does, AFAIK it's for the entire Stack Exchange ecosystem." CreationDate="2018-05-08T16:10:42.820" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16316" PostId="3727" Score="3" Text="It sure does. Just scroll to the bottom of the page to read the Terms of Service that are in effect." CreationDate="2018-05-08T21:58:15.617" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16318" PostId="3727" Score="5" Text="The complete agreement between the MathOverflow corporation and Stack Exchange, Inc. is [here](https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bqmDNwzTjkMjRHVkNRa1ZzQmc/edit). I don't see anything which would prohibit SE from changing the ToS on this site (which it operates). A separate question is whether the MathOverflow corporation itself is bound to the new ToS; hopefully the owners of the site contact their lawyers and opt out of arbitration clause if it does apply." CreationDate="2018-05-09T23:02:57.587" UserId="12722" />
  <row Id="16321" PostId="3727" Score="2" Text="Do you wish to ask if it affects Mathoverflow *users* like you and me, or if it affects Mathoverflow the legal entity? Because I think that the answer is different." CreationDate="2018-05-10T12:29:37.940" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16322" PostId="3727" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni: Actually both." CreationDate="2018-05-10T15:10:10.443" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16329" PostId="3727" Score="3" Text="The [SE response](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310061/electronic-opt-out-correcting-miscommunication-and-additional-questions-answer?cb=1) to the &quot;arbitration clause&quot; uproar sounds reasonable to me. Presumably if they would have argued their motives from the outset the response would have been more encouraging." CreationDate="2018-05-12T09:57:25.450" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16324" PostId="3729" Score="2" Text="Chuck Norris knows everything about mathematics. He can count backwards from infinity." CreationDate="2018-05-11T06:56:21.680" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16325" PostId="3729" Score="1" Text="Only if he does it in tens though. Otherwise it'd take him too long" CreationDate="2018-05-11T15:31:48.570" UserId="122188" />
  <row Id="16326" PostId="3729" Score="3" Text="No, he counts all the way through the real numbers. Each number and its predecessor. Yeah, Chuck Norris can tell you what is the predecessor of $\pi$ on the real line." CreationDate="2018-05-11T15:33:45.067" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16327" PostId="3729" Score="3" Text="Well then. His talents truly are uncountable indeed!" CreationDate="2018-05-11T16:45:21.997" UserId="122188" />
  <row Id="16330" PostId="3730" Score="0" Text="Suggestion to merge these tags [made by quid in 2014](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/194/help-improve-tagging/1459#1459). I suppose this issue might get a bit more attention now that it was posted as a separate question." CreationDate="2018-05-13T08:18:23.387" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16332" PostId="3731" Score="3" Text="I did use two different methods for the tag synonyms. The reason is that I wasn't entirely sure which direction the synonym should go, so I let the community decide what to do." CreationDate="2018-05-15T15:18:17.403" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="16333" PostId="3731" Score="0" Text="I see. So what I thought was a bug was entirely intentional. There are not that many users [who can vote on the synonym](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/robinson-schensted-knuth/topusers) (i.e. score 5 or more in the tag), but I assume it is not something urgent. (So I have removed the ([meta-tag:bug]) tag.)" CreationDate="2018-05-15T16:10:11.197" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16334" PostId="3731" Score="0" Text="I am not sure whether this question is worth keeping here. (Possibly it might have some informational value if in the future somebody sees a synonym by a mod waiting for votes, they might wonder whether it is a bug and they might find this question on meta. So in this scenario it adds some useful information.) If you post your explanation as an answer, I will accept the answer. If you think that the question is not really worth keeping around, feel free to simply delete it." CreationDate="2018-05-15T16:12:40.527" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16365" PostId="3732" Score="0" Text="https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/862/help-cleanup-tags/ gathers such requests (but possibly this 1-post big-list format is not optimal)" CreationDate="2018-05-24T16:41:38.307" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16457" PostId="3733" Score="0" Text="There are Jacobi and Weierstrass zeta functioins also. They have nothing to do with Riemann zeta related functions. Perhaps a brief mention is appropriate to include in the tag description." CreationDate="2018-06-14T13:48:13.860" UserId="113409" />
  <row Id="16361" PostId="3738" Score="10" Text="Thank you very much; you are so kind to take notice. Yes, indeed, I expect I shall be carrying on as usual with MathOverflow while in Oxford. Or perhaps I should say, &quot;whilst&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-05-21T16:23:38.803" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="16351" PostId="3739" Score="3" Text="You can flag for moderator attention, and leave a corresponding comment." CreationDate="2018-05-20T15:22:18.653" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16352" PostId="3739" Score="0" Text="Though as this post is tagged as feature request -- the implementation of which feature do you propose?" CreationDate="2018-05-20T15:23:37.140" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16353" PostId="3739" Score="3" Text="Some related older posts: [What outgoing migration paths should we have?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/141) (And specifically for Physics Stack Exchange, also [Migration site list lacks entries](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3486) and [Migration to Physics.SE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3428).) Some basic info on migration is available [in the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/migration/info)." CreationDate="2018-05-20T18:04:01.167" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16357" PostId="3739" Score="1" Text="@Stefan Kohl: I propose to extend the list of SE sites to which we can recommend migration." CreationDate="2018-05-21T01:19:46.520" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="16358" PostId="3739" Score="1" Text="@Martin Sleziak: From your links I conclude that I am not alone who experiences this problem, but I do not understand why it cannot be solved." CreationDate="2018-05-21T01:22:48.483" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="16367" PostId="3741" Score="1" Text="I'd say, if the case is at least borderline-to-appropriate, then just make a comment suggesting to split the question, and otherwise go ahead and answer. If the case is really inappropriate, then -- in addition to the comment -- vote to close as &quot;too broad&quot;, and possibly also vote down." CreationDate="2018-05-26T13:13:38.303" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16368" PostId="3741" Score="2" Text="There is a feature request to have possibility to split question on Meta Stack Exchange: [Could we have a way to split questions?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/108217) Since it is at score $-4$, I don't think that this is likely to get implemented. And since I am already adding links to MSE, here are some related discussions on that site: [What do we do with “multiple question” questions?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/120633) and [Multi-Question Questions: How Best to Handle Them?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/2995) (And probably there are many other similar discussions.)" CreationDate="2018-05-26T16:44:42.030" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16369" PostId="3741" Score="1" Text="+1 from me. (Partially to get the post above the threshold for being displayed in the [community bulletin](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/community-bulletin/info) - which might help the question to get a bit more attention.)" CreationDate="2018-05-27T06:04:32.940" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16373" PostId="3741" Score="1" Text="If the OP is not responding and you want to answer one part of the multiquestion, wouldn't the obvious solution be that you post a separate question about the specific part you can answer and answer it yourself. After that, you could add the link to your question. (At least if the original multiquestion is already closed as too broad, this seems like a reasonable course of actin to me.)" CreationDate="2018-05-29T23:57:23.463" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16370" PostId="3742" Score="0" Text="This is interesting, but at least for math journals the recommendations seem mostly superfluous.  I would guess that most good journals follow similar practices, and the predatory ones are hardly likely to care." CreationDate="2018-05-28T03:10:31.053" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="16371" PostId="3742" Score="0" Text="@Lucia I'm not saying that the statement is ideal or even that I agree with everything written there (though it is a step in the right direction, IMHO). I'm just saying that it is something I'd like to attract people's attention to." CreationDate="2018-05-28T16:03:20.223" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="16372" PostId="3742" Score="0" Text="No complaints from me!" CreationDate="2018-05-28T16:06:50.517" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="16411" PostId="3742" Score="0" Text="@Lucia: Why do you think that the recommendations seem superfluous for math journals? -- I don't think they are -- also in mathematics there appear to be more and more journals where the peer-review doesn't work as it should ([arbitrary-chosen example](https://zbmath.org/?q=an:1362.32018)), and also in mathematics it happens at times that referee's reports lack professionality (personal attacks on authors and the like). -- What I find objectionable in the statement is though the idea of per-article payments to 'fund' open-access -- it simply doesn't seem realistic to me to make (continued) --" CreationDate="2018-06-03T16:27:45.947" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16412" PostId="3742" Score="2" Text="(cont.): such payments independent from the decision to accept an article. Also, who would pay possible article processing charges for authors based in low-income countries, or for authors who are not affilitated with an institution? -- In my opinion, it would be best to make scientific publications exempt from copyright altogether (just as any type of documents where the copyright protection serves the only purpose to feed a publisher, and the benefit for the author is typically equal to zero)." CreationDate="2018-06-03T16:34:10.137" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16413" PostId="3742" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl:  The example you linked seems to be from a nonsense journal.  As I mentioned in my remark, good journals already follow practices similar to the ones mentioned, and the corrupt (strictly for profit) ones are unlikely to change in any meaningful way.  APC's for open access is a complicated issue, but in the journals that I am aware of (or have been involved with), exceptions are always made to anyone who cannot afford them.   Also, some countries seem to have negotiated good deals with publishers regarding open access, which may be a different way forward." CreationDate="2018-06-03T17:11:27.923" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="16414" PostId="3742" Score="4" Text="@Stefan Kohl &quot;Also, who would pay possible article processing charges for authors based in low-income countries, or for authors who are not affilitated with an institution?&quot; My stance is much stronger: by sharing my knowledge by publishing I do a service to the community, so if somebody should be paid here at all, it is I. I can forfeit the reward, but that's where I draw the line. Arguments like the above sound to me like if the journal publishers asked that authors kiss their asses and the objection is that some people have back/knee problems, so it is hard for them to bend that low or kneel" CreationDate="2018-06-03T17:28:19.323" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="16724" PostId="3742" Score="2" Text="Worth a plug: https://freejournals.org/ https://www.fairopenaccess.org/" CreationDate="2018-07-15T22:38:44.227" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="16379" PostId="3743" Score="1" Text="Thanks for your interest in this question. I have tried to [suggest some initial proposal](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3386/should-users-be-shown-some-basic-information-before-posting-the-first-question/3744#3744) what could be added to the How to Ask page - which could then be displayed to first-time askers. If you have some suggestions, please go ahead and edit it further - I have made it CW explicitly to encourage editing by other users who see possible improvements." CreationDate="2018-05-30T08:31:13.480" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16374" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="Since the question was [bumped by Federico Poloni](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3386/should-users-be-shown-some-basic-information-before-posting-the-first-question/3743#3743), I went ahead and create some basic suggestion what to include - to great extent it is &quot;plagiarized&quot; from Mathematics site. I hope other users will join and improve the initial version. I will mention here in the comments some problems which I see with this [initial version](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/3744/1)." CreationDate="2018-05-30T08:21:27.660" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16375" PostId="3744" Score="1" Text="**1.** I think that it is reasonable to mention other sites such as Mathematics. They are mentioned in the help center in: [What topics can I ask about here?](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic) However including here the whole sentence from there might be too lengthy: &quot;But there are lots of other math Q&amp;A sites where your question might fit right in, like [math.stackexchange.com](https://math.stackexchange.com/), [Ask Dr. Math](http://mathforum.org/dr/math/), [Art of Problem Solving](http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/index.php), [Physics Forums](http://www.physicsforums.com/), ..." CreationDate="2018-05-30T08:24:14.013" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16376" PostId="3744" Score="1" Text="... [NRICH](http://nrich.maths.org/discus/messages/board-topics.html).&quot; I have included link to the specific section of help center - is this a good option?" CreationDate="2018-05-30T08:24:19.167" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16377" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="**2.** Another question is what to use as target link for MathJax. One possibility would be [to create a short MathJax help here on meta](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2957). Another possibility would be adding entry to the help center - similarly as [on Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/help/notation). (This help entry could contain further links.) Another option is the [link to MathJax guide on Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/68388#70559)." CreationDate="2018-05-30T08:25:29.933" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16378" PostId="3744" Score="1" Text="I don't think that including link to the tutorial on Mathematics Meta *into this page* would be good - if not for other reason, new users already have enough confusion between MathOverflow and Mathematics and this link would send the new user to another site." CreationDate="2018-05-30T08:26:01.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16380" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="Agree completely. If anything, I would just replace &quot;Mathjax formatting&quot; with &quot;Tex formatting, e.g. `$\sqrt{a+b}$` or `$$a^2+b^2=c^2$$`&quot;. A mathematician in our audience is surely already familiar with Latex, but might not know what Mathjax is." CreationDate="2018-05-30T09:33:05.877" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16381" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni I have edited this a bit following your comment. Feel free to edit it further. (Especially if this is not what you had in mind.) Personally, I would prefer keeping at least some mention of MathJax, since calling it TeX or LaTeX is technically incorrect. But it is certainly a valid point that more people have heard of (La)TeX than of MathJax." CreationDate="2018-05-30T09:41:19.567" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16382" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="If you want to be technically correct, then `$$...$$` is not &quot;Latex formatting&quot;: Latex requires `\[...\]` for displayed equations. Double dollars are deprecated plain-Tex syntax. A keep-it-simple solution would be calling it &quot;Latex-like&quot;. Also, I don't think it's necessary to show the result as well; mathematicians are well trained to read simple Latex formulas directly from their source." CreationDate="2018-05-30T09:47:50.020" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16383" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni As I said, feel free to edit. (The post is CW explicitly to encourage editing by several users - after all this is what community wiki posts are for.)" CreationDate="2018-05-30T10:05:10.990" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16384" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="I should probably include also a link to Federico Poloni's answer to: [“Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming.” — are we?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3713#3723) (It is, at least to some extent, related to this.)" CreationDate="2018-05-30T14:24:07.350" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16423" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="Maybe we could make a question on Meta MathOverflow along the lines: &quot;My question was closed on MathOverflow as not reasearch-level? Where should I ask instead?&quot; This could be used in the above template (in the part which currently looks like this: &quot;There are [other sites](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic) for general mathematical questions.&quot;) And also we could direct users to that question in comments to questions on main which are put on hold." CreationDate="2018-06-10T06:37:07.860" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16441" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="I have changed the target of the link suggesting other sites to this recent post: [My question was closed on MO because it is not research level. Where should I ask instead?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3760) Similarly I have changed the &quot;TeX link&quot; to this post: [How does one type mathematical formulas on this site?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3763) The advantage that I see is that these pages can be edited by the community and changed whenever needed - perhaps it is better to have as the target of those link something that can be easily updated." CreationDate="2018-06-12T19:59:44.877" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16466" PostId="3744" Score="2" Text="I believe that the how to ask page should be replaced by the [old one](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/882/how-to-write-a-good-mathoverflow-question?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1) you link to. That was removed after the move to the stackexchange network, but it is far superior" CreationDate="2018-06-16T18:11:53.770" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="16467" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="@Daniel Well, the page you mention is linked at the end of the text proposed above. If you suggest to use the page from your comment as the page shown to first time askers, to me it seems to be a bit long for this purpose. Still if you think it is a good idea, you could post this as a separate answer. In this way it is more likely that other users might notice your suggestion, vote for/against, say in comments what they think about it." CreationDate="2018-06-16T18:22:33.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16468" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="@DenisNardin Or maybe you did not mean that as a page for the first time askers but as a replacement of the page &quot;[How do I ask a good question?](https://mathoverflow.net/help/how-to-ask)&quot; in the Help Center? (The title is different but the url basically says &quot;How to ask?&quot;: https://mathoverflow.net/help/how-to-ask )" CreationDate="2018-06-16T18:22:47.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16469" PostId="3744" Score="2" Text="Uh I meant as the latter sorry. And I also think that people asking a new question could benefit more from reading it than the generic &quot;how to ask&quot; page anyway" CreationDate="2018-06-16T18:27:35.777" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="16392" PostId="3748" Score="0" Text="The query mentioned in the answer is given also in this answer on Meta Stack Exchange: [Why not keep anonymous profiles accessible?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/270541#270544) (Although the topic of that question is not exactly the same.)" CreationDate="2018-05-31T07:55:13.343" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21540" PostId="3748" Score="0" Text="Here is a similar post on [math.meta.se]: [Is it possible to know the questions and answers by a no longer user?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30273)." CreationDate="2020-02-03T15:10:00.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16385" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="It was just for an example. I randomly said that number.." CreationDate="2018-05-31T07:37:00.310" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16386" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="I could not find anything.. Can you check user312648" CreationDate="2018-05-31T07:39:20.033" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16387" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="@PraphullaKoushik There are no results for that user number." CreationDate="2018-05-31T07:44:22.757" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="16388" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan That was user no in MSE. I am just checking if there are any posts in MO. user number will be same for both right?" CreationDate="2018-05-31T07:45:17.343" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16389" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="@PraphullaKoushik No.  MathOverflow is still far from creating user number 200000." CreationDate="2018-05-31T07:46:49.950" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="16390" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="@PraphullaKoushik If you want a specific example where you also find some posts, you can try [userid 9072](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/405958/get-posts-list-of-a-deleted-user?UserId=9072). This user (and also the relevant SEDE query) was mentioned in another discussion: [What happened to the dear user “quid” (9072), they appear deleted?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2827) (But it is useful that now we have a separate question about this.)" CreationDate="2018-05-31T07:50:44.650" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16391" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="@PraphullaKoushik If you meant user312648 *on Mathematics* (rather than MathOverflow) then [there are 151 posts](https://data.stackexchange.com/math/query/405958/get-posts-list-of-a-deleted-user?UserId=312648)." CreationDate="2018-05-31T07:52:44.280" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16393" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="I apologize for not reading the previous comments carefully enough. Only know I noticed that that user4412195 chose the same example as I suggested in the comment. And in my previous comment I missed that Praphulla Koushik knows userid on Mathematics but is looking for posts on MathOverflow. I hope my answer at least help a bit with MathOverflow posts of the same user." CreationDate="2018-05-31T08:22:02.067" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16394" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan Oh. Thanks for the information." CreationDate="2018-05-31T08:32:11.520" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16395" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak That was useful :)" CreationDate="2018-05-31T08:32:29.873" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16396" PostId="3750" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I am not interested in merging for now :D" CreationDate="2018-05-31T08:48:56.660" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16397" PostId="3751" Score="0" Text="I have added (re-open) tag which seems relevant. Maybe (closed-questions) would fit here too? I suppose that the question you linked is meant just and an example and you want to discuss general issue. (If it is meant to be about this specific question, then the (specific-question) tag would be suitable.)" CreationDate="2018-06-01T08:49:27.113" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16398" PostId="3751" Score="4" Text="You can find somewhat similar suggestions on Meta Stack Exchange. For example: [Notify close voters when a closed question gets edited](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/56849) (and other questions [linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/56849))." CreationDate="2018-06-01T08:57:10.890" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16399" PostId="3751" Score="3" Text="I should also add that the first edit of the question after being put on hold pushes the question into the reopen review queue (if done within 5 days and there are also some other minor conditions - I do not want to go into technicalities here). Here is [the review for your specific example](https://mathoverflow.net/review/reopen/100343). The purpose of this review queue is precisely to help with the kind of problems you describe - to give edited questions chance to get reopened. So I suppose from your question that you are aware about this review queue, but do not find it satisfactory." CreationDate="2018-06-01T08:58:17.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16401" PostId="3751" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak The &quot;leave closed&quot; review verdicts are, indeed, strange: I understand perfectly well what is asked now and do not see how to solve the problem yet. The formulation is a bit lengthy compared to what it might be, but is it such a terrible sin to justify  discarding a decent (IMHO) mathematical content?" CreationDate="2018-06-01T11:57:35.330" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="16403" PostId="3751" Score="1" Text="At least things seem to be a tiny(!) bit better now than they were [two years ago](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2874/)." CreationDate="2018-06-01T13:54:39.750" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16415" PostId="3751" Score="1" Text="+1 from me. Mainly to get the question to score +3 so that it is displayed in the community bulletin. (Which might improve the chances that it gets some attention from other users.)" CreationDate="2018-06-05T04:51:53.180" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16416" PostId="3751" Score="2" Text="I have added a vote to reopen." CreationDate="2018-06-05T09:54:29.167" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="16433" PostId="3751" Score="1" Text="Not that this would be a replacement for the notification feature, but one can also post such reopen requests as answers in this thread https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-and-undelete-votes-for-on-hold-closed-and-deleted-question" CreationDate="2018-06-10T18:09:53.787" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="16409" PostId="3754" Score="4" Text="There are some feature requests about this: [Add parenthesis to period as an accepted list delimiter](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/39684), [Ordered lists with letters as markers](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/156192), [Lists - additional alphanumeric item labels](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/110731), etc. (Maybe you can find a few more.)" CreationDate="2018-06-02T14:44:44.630" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16410" PostId="3754" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you! As always, you provide very relevant information. Well then I guess instead of marking this as a duplicate I will also add the [tag:feature-request] tag ;)" CreationDate="2018-06-02T16:58:09.637" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="16424" PostId="3757" Score="1" Text="I have [edited your post](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/302009/revisions), maybe it has the form you wanted to achieve. (And maybe not, but at least some pictures are displayed now.) So maybe you might add a link to [revision where it did not work](https://mathoverflow.net/revisions/302009/7) and also [the source](https://mathoverflow.net/revisions/b7dec4cc-83d9-476e-bb90-dcfac619bcac/view-source) of that revision - so that the question on meta still illustrates what is (was?) the problem." CreationDate="2018-06-10T09:38:52.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16425" PostId="3757" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Thank  you  very  much  for  your  edit.  When  I  clique on the picture, it  does  not  appear. In your  computer, does the picture  appear  automatically? Can you see this picture?" CreationDate="2018-06-10T09:41:22.113" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="16426" PostId="3757" Score="0" Text="BTW the two pictures look the same to me. (Although the links are different - in the current revision https://i.stack.imgur.com/YxQiy.jpg and https://i.stack.imgur.com/cxaM7.jpg ) Did I miss some difference?" CreationDate="2018-06-10T09:41:55.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16427" PostId="3757" Score="0" Text="I don't really understand your comment. Are you saying that after my edit you still do not see the pictures?" CreationDate="2018-06-10T09:43:23.510" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16428" PostId="3757" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  I tried  both with  computer  and  my Phone. when I clique on the link &quot;GaussBonnet&quot;  It try to enter i.stack.Imgur.com/....   but it fail. any Way thank you for  your  help. Yes  the  two picture are the same. I  added  the  second  one  because  the  first one  did not  work. Now, according to your  comment I realize that the  problem is mine(by my  phone  and  computer)." CreationDate="2018-06-10T09:50:35.133" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="16431" PostId="3757" Score="1" Text="Sometimes clearing the browser cache works.  Gerhard &quot;And Sometimes It Doesn't Work&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.10." CreationDate="2018-06-10T13:07:57.720" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16432" PostId="3757" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman  Yes, I see. thank you. Now my problem is  resolved.I can see the picture." CreationDate="2018-06-10T13:14:46.433" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="16429" PostId="3758" Score="0" Text="Can perhaps somebody confirm whether they see the pictures in the linked question on the main? After the most recent comments from the OP I am rather unsure what's going on." CreationDate="2018-06-10T11:29:35.717" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16430" PostId="3758" Score="0" Text="Now I  can see the picture in my  computer. Sorry  for  my  several comments  and  thanks  for  your  help." CreationDate="2018-06-10T12:17:54.263" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="16435" PostId="3760" Score="1" Text="I am aware that several possible sites are listed [in the help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic) and also that close reason (if this one is chosen) contains a link: &quot;MathOverflow is for mathematicians to ask each other questions about their research. See [Math.StackExchange](http://math.stackexchange.com/) to ask general questions in mathematics.&quot; Still, there is only very limited space in these places, I think it might be useful to have something which can be more verbose." CreationDate="2018-06-11T16:38:04.077" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16436" PostId="3760" Score="1" Text="Moreover, the post here can be edited by regular users - not only by SE staff. AFAICT some of the links mentioned in the help center - such as [Ask Dr. Math](http://mathforum.org/dr/math/) or [NRICH](http://nrich.maths.org/discus/messages/board-topics.html) - seem to be out of date. And if we are able to come up with some reasonably looking text here, perhaps we can make a [comment template](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971) with the link to this post, and it could also be incorporated [into &quot;How to ask?&quot; page](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3386#3744)." CreationDate="2018-06-11T16:38:10.340" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16491" PostId="3760" Score="0" Text="My own suggestion is to rename the site MathResearchOverflow .... Those of us from other disciplines (e.g. software) wouldn't immediately 'get' the research implications .. I believe there are other Math sites as well ..." CreationDate="2018-06-25T13:43:06.197" UserId="122780" />
  <row Id="18118" PostId="3760" Score="1" Text="I will just add that the help center [has been edited](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4053/update-outdated-links-in-the-list-of-suggested-alternative-sites/4054#4054) and it no longer contains the outdated sites mentioned in the above comment." CreationDate="2019-01-04T15:13:25.423" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22501" PostId="3760" Score="0" Text="Can my question be moved from mathoverflow to mathematics.stackexchange?" CreationDate="2020-07-20T13:02:03.000" UserId="106621" />
  <row Id="16437" PostId="3761" Score="7" Text="I have made this post CW in the hope that other users will contribute with further additions and improvements. After all, that is what [community wiki](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-wiki/info) is for." CreationDate="2018-06-11T16:43:46.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16447" PostId="3763" Score="0" Text="Maybe if at some points advice on formatting mathematics is added MathOverflow's Help Center, perhaps this could be a candidate to include there. (Other from the links it could possibly look like https://math.stackexchange.com/help/notation - but including directly in the help center a link which sends user to a meta site of a different site might be a bit confusing for the users. Which is why I think that a link to something on Mathematics Meta might be preferable." CreationDate="2018-06-13T04:58:31.900" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16453" PostId="3763" Score="1" Text="Thank you for this and other efforts of yours to improve MathOverflow. Gerhard &quot;Feels That It Needed Saying&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.13." CreationDate="2018-06-13T16:41:35.690" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="28726" PostId="3764" Score="0" Text="If you don't know LaTeX and just need to input some math, you can try drawing the equation at https://webdemo.myscript.com/views/math/index.html and copy pasting the LaTeX output between single or double dollars." CreationDate="2023-06-12T11:40:07.227" UserId="506742" />
  <row Id="16442" PostId="3766" Score="1" Text="My personal feeling is that since math.se is basically focused on helping students cheat on their homework, we should never send people there.  So I always check the first box.  But I recognize that this is a minority opinion." CreationDate="2018-06-13T00:56:33.973" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16443" PostId="3766" Score="0" Text="Maybe you could look at the post in which the close reason was introduced: [Revamping the closure reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1193). And possibly some other [older posts about this topic](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/1193). Of those linked questions only this one currently has answer (posted by quid, while he was still MO user): [Custom closing link looks too much like it should be a migrate to MSE link](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1510)." CreationDate="2018-06-13T03:42:14.983" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16445" PostId="3766" Score="0" Text="This question also mentions these two close reasons, but the main topic there is migration: [Migrating to Math.SE: too many close reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2319)." CreationDate="2018-06-13T04:01:05.797" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16446" PostId="3766" Score="1" Text="BTW I have edited your post to include the link into the close reason (so that the post more faithfully represents what they look like). And also I have added some tags - the tag ([meta-tag:close-reasons]) is definitely relevant for this question, I was less sure about the choice of the tags." CreationDate="2018-06-13T04:27:32.003" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16450" PostId="3766" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, I'm not sure about `vote-to-close`, but otherwise the tags look good to me.  Thanks for the suggestions!" CreationDate="2018-06-13T08:54:25.830" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16451" PostId="3766" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman, I think that it is probably well to distinguish between &quot;MSE is often used by students to cheat on their homework, and the community explicitly does not try to present this&quot; (which seems true) and &quot;MSE is focussed on helping students cheat&quot; (which I hope is not)." CreationDate="2018-06-13T08:56:07.507" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16452" PostId="3766" Score="0" Text="@LSpice It seems that we are veering of from the original question (so maybe the discussion about this could be taken elsewhere?) but did you meant to say *present* or *prevent* in your last comment? (I have quite hard time understanding your comment.) More to the point of this post: The reason I have added ([meta-tag:vote-to-close]) is that this is one of the choices presented to users who have [privilege to cast close votes](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/close-questions). Users with lower reputation see the same dialog if they flag for &quot;should be closed&quot;." CreationDate="2018-06-13T09:29:18.880" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16454" PostId="3766" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, agreed.  I will just respond in order hopefully to prevent (ha!) others' confusion by agreeing that I meant 'prevent', not 'present', in [my previous comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3766/whats-the-difference-between-two-off-topic-flags#comment16451_3766)." CreationDate="2018-06-14T06:47:05.060" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16455" PostId="3766" Score="0" Text="I have copied the comments touching Mathematics Stack Exchange [in the MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/6/14), so if somebody is interested in the discussion about this, it can continue there." CreationDate="2018-06-14T06:50:40.353" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16456" PostId="3766" Score="3" Text="I think the choice between the close reasons only matters when you **vote** to close -- when you flag for closure, then in both cases the question enters the close votes review queue, and in both cases it merely reads there &quot;This question has been flagged as: off-topic&quot; -- regardless of which off-topic reason has been chosen by the flagger." CreationDate="2018-06-14T09:10:48.710" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16458" PostId="3766" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl I am not sure this is true. In the close-votes review queue there is a small clickable thingy with the caption &quot;(more)&quot;. After you click on it, you see the chosen subreason. I am not sure whether this happens only for votes to close and not for flags. I have asked in a comment under this answer: [Show sub reasons in close review queue](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/192634#202826)." CreationDate="2018-06-14T15:33:32.860" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27449" PostId="3766" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl There are several older posts on meta where the main point is somewhat related to two custom close reason that looks somewhat similar - for example, some of [the questions listed here](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/136824/2022/6/28).&#xA;At least some of them are obsolete. Did the moderators discuss whether those questions should be closed now? (The announcement of the changes could be used as the duplicate target.)&#xA;Or maybe it is enough to link to the post about [revamping the closure reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5327) in comments under those questions?" CreationDate="2022-07-03T07:44:42.693" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27450" PostId="3766" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I closed the questions you listed as duplicates of the 'revamping the closure reasons in 2022' post -- that seemed to me the most reasonable course of action. If you see any further posts which got obsolete by the changes to the custom close reasons, then please let me know." CreationDate="2022-07-03T08:43:33.173" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16462" PostId="3768" Score="1" Text="Maybe it's worth mentioning that *for unregistered users* the page https://mathoverflow.net contains the text &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians.&quot; near the top left corner. But it is not displayed, for example, once you go to: https://mathoverflow.net/questions And AFAICT it is not displayed to registered users. Also while asking question https://mathoverflow.net/questions/ask the sentence &quot;Is your question about research level mathematics?&quot; is displayed in bold on the right under &quot;How to ask?&quot;" CreationDate="2018-06-16T13:11:40.407" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16463" PostId="3768" Score="2" Text="Some previous discussions which seem to be related to your proposal:&#xA;[Why is “what is the difference between mathoverflow and math.stackexchange?” not prominently displayed?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2142) (on Meta MathOverflow) and&#xA;[Clearly distinguishing Mathoverflow and Math.StackExchange directly on the frontpage](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/28545) (on Mathematics Meta)." CreationDate="2018-06-16T13:16:03.157" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16464" PostId="3768" Score="1" Text="@Martin Sleziak  Thanks for the links. The time for talk should be over, it's time for action. It seems pretty easy to implement suggestions along these lines - just do it." CreationDate="2018-06-16T13:19:38.527" UserId="75420" />
  <row Id="16465" PostId="3768" Score="0" Text="OK. Can we add &quot;please address all complaints about this banner to Mark L. Stone at ...&quot; or something like that?  You will need to provide your email address, and it might be good to have you archive a copy of the complaints in case someone else wants to read them.  Gerhard &quot;Time For Action Is Soon&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.16." CreationDate="2018-06-16T16:46:18.563" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16645" PostId="3775" Score="0" Text="I don’t know what geometry you are talking about.. can you tell something more.." CreationDate="2018-07-06T17:55:51.893" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16984" PostId="3775" Score="1" Text="Not too long ago a [Group Theory chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/80888/group-theory) was created on Mathematics site - although so far it has not generated much activity." CreationDate="2018-08-23T12:49:48.170" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16492" PostId="3777" Score="1" Text="I agree, and made some suggestions for changes.  (See https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2806/some-proposals-for-modifications-of-the-process-of-closing-reopening-questions .)  But there didn't seem to be any consensus on this.  For my part, I don't vote to close anything that has been closed once and reopened." CreationDate="2018-06-25T17:59:58.463" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="16493" PostId="3777" Score="2" Text="one can only vote to reopen the question once. It would be good to know, just in case, whether votes to close can also be cast only once." CreationDate="2018-06-25T18:02:29.577" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16494" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="Do I understand that you are advocating that a minority should implement as they please on this forum?  If not, please clarify.  While I don't enjoy the current system, I don't have a better suggestion.  It seems the forum community is divided on the matter of propriety of the question.  Gerhard &quot;Perhaps Have A MathAlternate Forum?&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.25." CreationDate="2018-06-25T18:04:11.183" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16495" PostId="3777" Score="2" Text="I am against a dictatorship of the majority, or, if you like, first past the pole system. I think if there is enough interest in the question from sufficiently qualified group of users, the question should live." CreationDate="2018-06-25T18:10:29.403" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16496" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="The question should live, and the forum should die?  Gerhard &quot;That Is A Concern Here&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.25." CreationDate="2018-06-25T18:44:32.253" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16497" PostId="3777" Score="1" Text="Why would a forum die? A forum would die (or at least suffer, under the current rules) if it had a sufficiently big group of hooligans who go and close questions at random..." CreationDate="2018-06-25T18:52:37.763" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16498" PostId="3777" Score="12" Text="This question was hardly closed randomly, and the closers are not hooligans." CreationDate="2018-06-25T19:00:17.623" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16499" PostId="3777" Score="1" Text="I agree with this, I just think that the situation is far from ideal. E.g. the history of who voted for closing and who voted for re-opening is getting lost, instead of kept publuc." CreationDate="2018-06-25T19:04:13.393" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16500" PostId="3777" Score="8" Text="It's not lost.  You just have to look at the edit history." CreationDate="2018-06-25T19:22:28.103" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16501" PostId="3777" Score="9" Text="Another comment: it's up to 11 edits.  That's absurd." CreationDate="2018-06-25T19:24:50.120" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16502" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="Way one. One of the people named on the thread enlists assistance in getting the post removed. Another enlists more assistance to get the forum shut down.  MathOverflow LLC is unable to raise the funds to counter this assistance. Dead forum.  Gerhard &quot;Imagine The Kind Of Assistance&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.25." CreationDate="2018-06-25T19:41:01.010" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16503" PostId="3777" Score="2" Text="Way two. Encouraged by this question, other questions appear, talking about whether this or that publication is &quot; really about mathematics &quot;, and leads to statements which are more political than mathematical in nature, divisive, and thus a new atmosphere which permeates the forum. Those who strive to repel this atmosphere give up, and leave the forum to go the way of sci.math.  Undead forum perhaps, but no longer living.  Gerhard &quot;Perhaps Run By Some Zombies?&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.25." CreationDate="2018-06-25T19:45:11.313" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16504" PostId="3777" Score="1" Text="After eight years on this forum, this is perhaps my second vote cast to close.  I don't do these things lightly, nor without consideration.  Gerhard &quot;Not Quite Hooligan Style, Either&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.25." CreationDate="2018-06-25T19:47:03.467" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16505" PostId="3777" Score="18" Text="I voted to close, but certainly not at random. Speaking of not so random behavior, the author of that question has a long history of using MO for soapboxing and advertising. [Here](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/268163/was-cauchy-prescient) you have an example in which he asked a question he has answered himself in a paper. That post was pushed to the front page by 31 (sic!) edits. [Here](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/226277/what-is-a-grossone) he ridicules Sergeyev, which is a significant part of the current post. At some point, I give up on the presumption of good faith." CreationDate="2018-06-25T20:05:05.757" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16506" PostId="3777" Score="10" Text="I agree with @Michael. My feeling is that at this point the author of that question is mostly using MO and MSE as platform to promote their own papers. Even with the crankiest soapboxing cranks (e.g. WM) it is easy to mistake an isolated question as a reasonable question. But when a user exhibits a pattern, these questions needs to be seem in a broader context. And for this author, this does not look good." CreationDate="2018-06-25T20:55:28.217" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16508" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker, the post on Sergeyev that you linked has a reputation score of 40 and is thus one of the post popular ones on the site.  The post on Cauchy that you linked has a positive reputation of 5 and has led to a lively discussion.  Your allegations are odious and quarrelsome, as are some of the others appearing in this space.  The *comments* containing such accusations should be deleted." CreationDate="2018-06-26T09:01:28.170" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="16509" PostId="3777" Score="8" Text="@MikhailKatz Everyone can follow the links I gave and decide for themselves what to make of it. If you find something I said &quot;odious&quot;, you can of course flag it. But popularity is certainly not a reason not to close a post. There are several closed questions with a score of more than 200." CreationDate="2018-06-26T09:11:01.837" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16512" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="&quot;the post on Sergeyev that you linked has a reputation score of 40 and is thus one of the post popular ones on the site.&quot;, assuming the first &quot;post&quot; is a typo for &quot;most&quot;, that is a highly subjective claim. The top 150 questions all have score &gt;90 (and nearly all have at least 100). And if you want to argue that your questions received a lot of votes, let's also talk about the incredible number of downvotes they have procured over time." CreationDate="2018-06-26T09:34:41.443" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16513" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker, with all due respect to an MSE moderator, your comparison does not have any merit. Notice that the question on Sergeyev that you linked was never closed and reopened, and led to a thoughtful discussion. My purpose there was to bring the Sergeyev phenomenon to the attention of the mathematical public and elicit evaluations, which were indeed provided (some of them quite popular)." CreationDate="2018-06-26T09:45:25.923" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="16514" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker, frankly I don't really understand your objection to my Cauchy post, either. This is obviously an active area of historical research, with publications in respected journals on both sides of the issue. There is similarly disagreement about this among mathematicians. I believe the discussion at that question was similarly fruitful and meaningful. Just because I happened to have published in the area doesn't seem sufficient reason to create a veto on MO posts :-)" CreationDate="2018-06-26T09:45:47.690" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="16515" PostId="3777" Score="7" Text="@MikhailKatz I have no principled objections, but you should have made clear in  your post from the beginning that you have actually answered the question already and are just looking for further material. And 31 edits are a bit much..." CreationDate="2018-06-26T10:07:51.307" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16516" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker, perhaps this space is not the ideal location for such a discussion but since you have brought up the issue I would like to point out that in historical scholarship you don't prove theorems (or find mistakes in theorems).  Since history is not based on a system of axioms, the best one can do is present one's arguments as convincingly as possible and point out hidden flaws in approaches one disagrees with.  I personally find Detlef Laugwitz's approach to Cauchy the most convincing, but I don't presume to have the exclusive prerogative on the truth, and am always receptive to" CreationDate="2018-06-26T10:11:48.930" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="16517" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="... other points of view, unlike some individuals (I am not referring to you) participating in this particular discussion. @MichaelGreinecker" CreationDate="2018-06-26T10:12:14.463" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="16518" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="P.S. A related thought: the amount of flak Laugwitz got from received historians for his take on Cauchy is simply unbelievable.  I saw things more strident than accusations of soapboxing. The general tenor is: &quot;how can you stick to your position on Cauchy when we are all against it?&quot; (and presumably would have downvoted it if given a chance :-) @MichaelGreinecker" CreationDate="2018-06-26T11:19:31.040" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="16519" PostId="3777" Score="1" Text="Mathematicians (apart from complete nerds and/or loners) like to talk about questions related to their own work, online or otherwise. This might be different from your own experience, e.g. people who mathematically grew up in big friendly departments with lively common rooms won't quite get this point.&#xA;&#xA;I don't see why talking about one's own work ought to be discouraged." CreationDate="2018-06-26T11:31:24.253" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16520" PostId="3777" Score="8" Text="@DimaPasechnik 1. The desirability of a discussion of a topic does not imply the desirability of discussing the topic on MO, which is not made for discussions and IMHO benefits from the narrower focus as a Q &amp; A. 2. Nobody discouraged talking about one's own work. Not mentioning one's own work was the issue mentioned." CreationDate="2018-06-26T12:37:34.957" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16522" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker, it would be helpful if you could make up your mind whether the issue was (1) advertising one's own work, or (2) not mentioning one's own work. Otherwise enjoy eating your cake and having it, too." CreationDate="2018-06-26T12:58:13.240" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="16523" PostId="3777" Score="11" Text="@MikhailKatz In case I haven't been clear enough: You asked about a question you have answered a few days before in a preprint *without mentioning the latter fact in your post until prompted to do so*. And there is a difference between mentioning ones work and using a question (!) to advertise one's own work." CreationDate="2018-06-26T13:08:50.893" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16524" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker, in case I haven't been clear enough: there is no merit to this verbiage concerning Cauchy.  I raised a broad issue of Cauchy interpretation at MO.  Whether or not I posted a reprint on the subject is immaterial since the issue is relevant whether or not I did.  Try to consider the possibility that folks are opposed to my Cauchy and other posts because it touches their belief systems on this topic and others." CreationDate="2018-06-26T13:11:49.390" UserId="28128" />
  <row Id="16529" PostId="3777" Score="8" Text="Dima, there is a difference between talking about your work, and asking elaborate questions mainly for the sake of making your work visible." CreationDate="2018-06-26T15:05:19.313" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16530" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="Asaf, are you talking about the question we discussing, or about general character traits of its poster? &#xA;&#xA;I don't like how this thread has deteriorated into concluding that as MK has posted it, it must be such and such thing, and as someone is in general annoyed with MK, he'll vote to close this question too, without reading, simply by association." CreationDate="2018-06-26T15:19:42.177" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16531" PostId="3777" Score="9" Text="@Dima: I am saying that after a person exhibits a certain type of behavior, his future actions are usually called into action (e.g. consistently put a bounty to prevent closure? All future bounties will be seen in that light). If a user shows a pattern of soapboxing, it is impossible to separate their questions from past actions. Yes, that is unfortunate, but this is reality. It works in the other direction, and we give more leeway to established users when it comes to borderline questions. Also, unlike you, I don't get notified of any comment here. So using `@Asaf` is necessary." CreationDate="2018-06-26T16:03:31.817" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16534" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGreinecker, Bringing up the Cauchy question seem to me a bad idea, and I see no justification for attacking the author of the question. ( Asaf )" CreationDate="2018-06-27T06:32:55.470" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16535" PostId="3777" Score="1" Text="@Gil: I can certainly see why you'd say that. But I can also certainly see why Michael, as a moderator on MSE, or why I, would claim that the author of that question is not using these platforms under what I'd say is &quot;fair use&quot;. I agree that we need to be pluralistic, and accept more than we reject. But when people abuse the system, they also need to be held for a higher standard. I don't know about *this* question in play. I agree with Neil, which is why (in conjunction of the above) I had cast my vote to close. It is easy to see just one side, when you hear it in person from *that* side." CreationDate="2018-06-27T07:03:41.070" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16536" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="@Asaf there is no justification and no need for attacking the author (especially not by officers of these sites), and bringing up another question that we amply discussed is not useful." CreationDate="2018-06-27T07:13:41.500" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16537" PostId="3777" Score="4" Text="@Gil: I think that I have my fair share of experience with people that when you isolate just one thing they do, it seems fine, but in the overall picture you see the emergent properties of &quot;totally not fine&quot;. So I refuse *not* to judge a question by its author. As I pointed out before, we *all* do that, but we mostly do it in the sense of giving more leeway to established users, even you get that preferential treatment often, and I suspect many of your open and big lists would be closed, coming form an unregistered account. And it's fine, you've earned that. But for me? Katz earned *that*." CreationDate="2018-06-27T07:17:34.023" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16540" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="@Asaf, there is nor reason or justification to attack anybody in this discussion. &#xA;&#xA;(I did not remark on the issue of judging a question by its author, that like the issues of  &quot;judging a question by its upvotes,&quot; or &quot;judging a question by the quality of answers&quot;, we often discussed on Meta.) &#xA;&#xA;I also do not see how bringing the Cauchy question helps here. For example, I voted to open the Cauchy question (The question remained open, had positive net upvotes, and led to a couple of good answers).  Here, in view of Niel's answer, I am leaning in the opposite direction." CreationDate="2018-06-27T08:17:14.437" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16541" PostId="3777" Score="3" Text="@Gil: I never brought up the Cauchy question. So I don't know what to tell you. I only brought up the fact that context derived from the author is relevant to the validity of a question. This is a site for mathematicians who honestly seek the help and companion of others. It is *not* a site for people who try and make their research look important. And that's all I have to say about that." CreationDate="2018-06-27T08:21:23.397" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16542" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="Dear Asaf, maybe we can agree about trying not to attack individuals and especially avoiding such attacks when they have small relevance to the discussed issue." CreationDate="2018-06-27T08:29:12.163" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16544" PostId="3777" Score="3" Text="@GilKalai On some level I agree with you, who posted the question should not matter here. I would have voted to close if someone else has made it. But there is a general standard on MO, which I like, that people can sometimes post things that are slightly outside the rules when the contribution is useful and made in good faith. Since the question is not closed, I gave evidence why I don't think it was made in good faith. I think I did that in an appropriate manner; it's not like I called someone a hooligan." CreationDate="2018-06-27T09:32:17.870" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16553" PostId="3777" Score="2" Text="It is a bit unclear whether this is supposed to be about this specific question or about close/reopen wars in general. (I am not sure whether that matters that much - since by now answers to *both* have been posted. But probably it's not good to mix two separate topic.) I will just remind that you can use the ([meta-tag:specific-question]) tag if you want to signal that you mainly ask about *this particular question* (rather than about a general issue) - see also [the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/specific-question/info)." CreationDate="2018-06-27T13:54:06.930" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16507" PostId="3778" Score="0" Text="I think it is spam.  I have not received such email.  Of course, send an email query to a trusted StackExchange contact to confirm.  Of course, don't click on the links in the suspect email. Gerhard &quot;Don't Trust And Always Verify&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.25." CreationDate="2018-06-25T22:50:20.463" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16521" PostId="3778" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman Presumably, you don’t log in through a third party OpenID provider." CreationDate="2018-06-26T12:49:04.480" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16565" PostId="3778" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek  What does it  mean third  party Open ID provider?" CreationDate="2018-06-28T09:56:46.627" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="16566" PostId="3778" Score="0" Text="It means an OpenID provider other than StackExchange itself." CreationDate="2018-06-28T11:31:19.057" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16644" PostId="3778" Score="0" Text="I don't know what OpenID is. I use my Yahoo account to login to StackExchange. Should I do something to continue in SE?" CreationDate="2018-07-06T13:34:24.670" UserId="22878" />
  <row Id="16675" PostId="3778" Score="0" Text="@PVanchinathan I log in the same way. Just to be safe, I added a stackexchange email+password login method here https://mathoverflow.net/users/mylogins/me" CreationDate="2018-07-10T09:50:03.270" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="16525" PostId="3781" Score="6" Text="I would upvote this 100 times if I could." CreationDate="2018-06-26T13:34:05.203" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16526" PostId="3781" Score="1" Text="then MO should forbid history of maths questions, in fact I would be happy if there was a separate venue on SE for this topic." CreationDate="2018-06-26T13:49:31.657" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16527" PostId="3781" Score="2" Text="There is a history of science and mathematics forum.  Unfortunately, (if we are to take the post at face value), the question of Mikhail Katz does not belong there either.  Gerhard &quot;May Look Into Reclose Option&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.26." CreationDate="2018-06-26T14:18:35.060" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16528" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="Hmm, where would a history of maths question on, say, opposition to complex numbers belong to?" CreationDate="2018-06-26T14:30:17.280" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16532" PostId="3781" Score="1" Text="Usually, I dont like open/close wars and I usually suggest that people will be tolerant to questions thay do not like and on several occasions I voted to open questions that I did not upvote but felt that they need to stay open. In this particular case, Neil raised a valid concern: that the answers may mainly shame and mock some individuals. (I had some similar concerns about the notion of &quot;Cargo Cult&quot; but Mikhail explained  me that this is a widely used and accepted notion.) I think that Neil point is valuable. @MikhailKatz what is your response?" CreationDate="2018-06-27T06:09:06.023" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16533" PostId="3781" Score="5" Text="@DimaPasechnik In my view History of math questions are very valuable for MO. I dont see how you infer from Neil's answer anything against history of math questions." CreationDate="2018-06-27T06:16:49.500" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16538" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai - history of mathematics is impossible to separate from ethics and politics of and in mathematics. I read Neil's reply as he is opposed to the latter topics on MO. Perhaps he merely is unhappy about the world choice. Or perhaps he belongs to the school that teaches that mentioning errors explicitly is bad..." CreationDate="2018-06-27T07:24:50.317" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16539" PostId="3781" Score="2" Text="Dima, it is not impossible to seperate and in any case Niel's concern is that here &quot;shaming&quot; and &quot;mocking&quot; are central. (This is not just matter of word choice.) Indeed  mentioning and understanding errors is  important both in mathematics itself and in history of mathematics." CreationDate="2018-06-27T08:00:31.910" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16543" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai I went and edited out the most judgemental part of the question. I am still at loss trying to understand how to weed out ethics and politics in the history of maths, for it cannot be disconnected from persons being the results, conjectures, and errors. And these persons were affected by e.g. hiring and funding politics a lot." CreationDate="2018-06-27T08:49:31.813" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16545" PostId="3781" Score="4" Text="@DimaPasechnik Even though this is not explicit in the current answer, I'm pretty sure there is a major difference between writing negative things about Pythagoras and people who are still alive." CreationDate="2018-06-27T11:25:57.653" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16546" PostId="3781" Score="1" Text="@MichaelGreinecker - one may say that writing negative things about people who are no longer alive is not good, as they cannot respond to you in any way.&#xA;So this is all very much a question of taste and cultural upbringing. E.g. someone who grew up under an oppressive, intolerant to critics, regime would either never criticise anyone openly, or to the contrary, take pride in criticising anyone whom they see as deserving critique. &#xA;I still remember the chair (Dutch, if it matters) of a conference session attempting to cut me short as I pointed out a methodological gap in a presentation." CreationDate="2018-06-27T12:34:27.637" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16547" PostId="3781" Score="1" Text="@MichaelGreinecker - and he commented to me later on that &quot;this is not to be said&quot; or something along these lines. &#xA;&#xA;So the next step would be to start to put on hold posts pointing at errors in papers of living mathematicians, just cause they would be upset?" CreationDate="2018-06-27T12:40:11.507" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16548" PostId="3781" Score="2" Text="@DimaPasechnik I don't think one gets into trouble here for pointing out that someone made a methodological gap. That is far away from &quot;cargo cult science&quot;. Of course, this doesn't differentiate between current math research and history. Or do you think nowadays math is about timeless truth, but fifty years ago math was mostly about politics and power?" CreationDate="2018-06-27T12:43:59.277" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16549" PostId="3781" Score="7" Text="Pointing out mistakes is not the same thing as &quot;mocking the failings of others&quot;.@DimaPasechnik" CreationDate="2018-06-27T12:45:41.093" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16550" PostId="3781" Score="2" Text="@MichaelGreinecker there is a difference between honest mistakes and deliberate riding on a mistake. As we know that from a falsehood one can derive anything, so it suffices to insert one wrong lemma somewhere and go on building a beautiful (or not so beautiful) career.&#xA;&#xA;E.g. there was a Clay scholar who was forced to retract all the publications that got him that post, and to leave maths. This half-killed the area he was active in, too. Are we supposed to be quiet about it, as to not hurt his feelings?" CreationDate="2018-06-27T13:25:36.257" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16551" PostId="3781" Score="3" Text="@DimaPasechnik If someone has a question related to that work, it is of course appropriate to point out that the work is flawed. But MO is not retraction watch, it is a Q&amp;A site for research math." CreationDate="2018-06-27T13:33:13.727" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16552" PostId="3781" Score="2" Text="@MichaelGreinecker - I certainly think that maths is getting more and more about grant money, fashion (&quot;everyone is doing X nowadays, we should also do X, or die&quot; attitude),  politics and power, than science :-(" CreationDate="2018-06-27T13:51:29.877" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16554" PostId="3781" Score="1" Text="@Dima: And do you think it's okay for a user to use MO to make their research more visible, and as a leverage point of &quot;oh, look, so many people think what I do is important, so give me money&quot;? If cults are okay, we should also start a list of scammers and abusers. Don't you think?" CreationDate="2018-06-27T15:25:26.227" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16555" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila - lists are fine, sure. If you ask me, high MO rating should count for something in your CV, yes. Do you mean to say you'd like to moderate honest QA for own research vs self-promotion? This sounds like very a hard task; a good question on your research or a good answer using your own research are self-promoting activities, for they increase rating, isn't it?&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;On the other hand I know about people getting grants to study MO! This is something I find a bit unethical..." CreationDate="2018-06-27T15:59:04.370" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16556" PostId="3781" Score="6" Text="@Dima: If I were to ask questions for the sole purpose of my papers ending up in the answers, written by my coauthors, and if I were to edit and bump these posts regularly, so I can claim that my research is always on the front page of MO, then I would be using this website in a very insincere way. Wouldn't I? Again, you think in a very naive way, about mentioning your research in an answer, or writing a follow up question related to your work. That much is fine. Working very hard to make sure that your research is visible to people on the front page, however... Not as fine." CreationDate="2018-06-27T16:23:02.317" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16608" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Yes. But careerism sustained by serial peer review failure is even less okay. Contact me privately if curious." CreationDate="2018-07-01T11:41:12.033" UserId="15819" />
  <row Id="16558" PostId="3783" Score="4" Text="The question before us is, &quot;Should there be a limit to the number of such rounds?&quot; This is not an answer to that question." CreationDate="2018-06-27T23:47:46.003" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16564" PostId="3783" Score="1" Text="I agree - it was poorly formulated in the beginning. Mea culpa." CreationDate="2018-06-28T07:22:53.023" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16602" PostId="3783" Score="1" Text="So in other words, under this reading, the question becomes: what are some examples of *charlatanism* that somehow passed the filter of peer review? This type of question is *really problematic*. In comments at the main site you had referred to the case of a mathematician-turned-politician where you offered an *opinion* that in some of his work he was not being intellectually honest -- quite a serious charge, and really not fit for MO. I'm not a lawyer, but this type of thing potentially opens up legal liabilities." CreationDate="2018-07-01T04:46:18.910" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16607" PostId="3783" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble This type of thing does indeed potentially open up liabilities, and this is yet another insidious effect of sustained charlatanism. While I entirely agree that MO is not the place to call out such behavior, my own experience leads me to wonder if there is any socially allowed forum, or if we are meant to tolerate (or even indulge) a certain amount of system-gaming for some higher purpose." CreationDate="2018-07-01T11:19:33.650" UserId="15819" />
  <row Id="16613" PostId="3783" Score="0" Text="@AdamEpstein I'm afraid I have no good answer to that question, alas." CreationDate="2018-07-01T14:19:12.477" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16557" PostId="3784" Score="2" Text="The question before us is, &quot;Should there be a limit to the number of such rounds?&quot; This is not an answer to that question." CreationDate="2018-06-27T23:46:50.687" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16559" PostId="3784" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson: True, but most of the other answers also solely address the merits of this specific question, so this seems to me like the logical place to put this answer." CreationDate="2018-06-28T00:16:42.817" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16560" PostId="3784" Score="3" Text="@Gerry Myerson: unlike on the main site, I have always thought that the purpose of meta is often to discuss, rather than just answer a question." CreationDate="2018-06-28T02:09:33.213" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="16562" PostId="3784" Score="1" Text="@Carl, sure, but to discuss what? To discuss whether there should be a limit to the number of open/close rounds? Sure. To discuss whether one specific question should be open/closed/deleted? That's a different issue, which could be discussed in response to a different question." CreationDate="2018-06-28T02:50:33.043" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16563" PostId="3784" Score="1" Text="Would it be possible to split the question into two? Cause different answers answer different parts of the question. Dima &quot;I just cannot stay on topic&quot; Pasechnik." CreationDate="2018-06-28T07:21:44.583" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16567" PostId="3784" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson: I think you are being too rigid and literal with the rules.  I agree that on the main site answers should generally strictly address the question at hand (though there are times when I infer from context other questions that the asker really wants to know and answer them); however, on meta the tradition is that discussions are more freewheeling." CreationDate="2018-06-28T14:36:39.107" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16568" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="@DimaPasechnik: See my previous comment to Gerry." CreationDate="2018-06-28T14:36:53.360" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16569" PostId="3784" Score="2" Text="I'm amused that the comment I made here is meeting a very different reception than the exact same comment I made on Dima's answer, even though (to my way of thinking) the two comments were equally justified/unjustified." CreationDate="2018-06-28T21:37:28.853" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16570" PostId="3784" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson I think it makes sense to have higher demands for the one asking the question to stick to the actual question- given they could have asked whatever they wanted." CreationDate="2018-06-29T09:31:07.247" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="16583" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="In my view, deleting the question is unreasonable." CreationDate="2018-06-30T14:57:09.450" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16601" PostId="3784" Score="3" Text="@GilKalai Unfortunately my attention during the past few days was deflected by matters lying outside MO, but now having reviewed the matter some more, I find the question deeply problematic and do not find community-moderated deletion unreasonable. If I were to put the question in stark terms, it might be: what are some examples of outright incompetency or charlatanism that somehow passed through the filter of peer review? (It didn't appear to me that the author wanted examples of ordinary mistakes a mathematician might make.) It should be obvious why such a question is problematic." CreationDate="2018-07-01T04:30:21.453" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16603" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="Dear Todd, I agree that the question is problematic (But leaving it closed and undeleted would be fine in my view.). Judging from the asnwers and the examples given in the question, I dont think it is about  incompetency or charlatanism that somehow passed through the filter of peer review, but about examples of mathematically-based pseudoscience that had gained substantial attention, influence or support. I think it is useful to point out to people who voted to reopen that the question was not only closed but deleted, and to moderators..." CreationDate="2018-07-01T06:23:30.637" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16604" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="(continued) and to propose to moderators that, *in the future*, will usually not allow a close/reopening dispute to end with a deletion of the question." CreationDate="2018-07-01T06:25:01.313" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16612" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai Thanks for clarifying your concern. Regarding your proposal: deletion and undeletion can see-saw just like opening and closing, and as Scott Carnahan said, site moderator intervention in that process would be seen as denial-of-voice, and I am leery of setting up a general rule like you suggest for that reason. Finally (for what interest it may have), here is an extract from Wikipedia on the use of the word 'charlatan': &quot;Rather, the person called a charlatan is being accused of resorting to quackery, pseudoscience, or some knowingly employed bogus means of impressing people...&quot;." CreationDate="2018-07-01T14:16:31.040" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16618" PostId="3784" Score="6" Text="@GilKalai: While I agree that in normal circumstances there is no need to delete closed questions, this is an exceptional case.  Let me spell out my concerns more explicitly.  One of my colleagues shares an unusual last name with a notorious crank (but is not related to him).  Someone brought this up in the comments.  Since people were actively paying attention, this was eventually deleted.  But if the question is closed but not deleted, then inevitably in the future someone will leave a similarly slanderous comment, and no one will be paying attention enough to notice. (continued)" CreationDate="2018-07-01T15:59:19.267" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16619" PostId="3784" Score="6" Text="This kind of thing can be extremely damaging to someone’s career — MO questions are highly ranked on google, so the question will show up when someone’s name is googled.  Given this danger, I cannot see any alternative to deleting this question.  Slander, mean-spirited rumors and gossip, etc are completely inappropriate for MO." CreationDate="2018-07-01T16:04:56.327" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16621" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="Andy, thanks, I appreciate your point of view." CreationDate="2018-07-01T17:20:33.613" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16622" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="(ps: on re-reading my comment, it might appear that my concern is narrowly one about my colleague.  But it is a far more general concern; who knows what drive-by comments will be made in the future...)." CreationDate="2018-07-01T19:30:25.747" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16623" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman Agreed. As I commented below, this type of thing does indeed potentially open up liabilities, and this is yet another insidious effect of sustained charlatanism. While I entirely agree that MO is not the place to call out such behavior, my own experience leads me to wonder if there is any socially allowed forum, or if we are meant to tolerate (or even indulge) a certain amount of system-gaming for some higher purpose." CreationDate="2018-07-02T03:58:18.580" UserId="15819" />
  <row Id="16625" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="https://zbmath.org/?q=an%3A06856857 they think it is a valuable MO question..." CreationDate="2018-07-02T10:42:47.070" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16626" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="Drive-by comments can be done to any question, not just to this one. I have never made any judgemental comments about any active mathematician, anyway." CreationDate="2018-07-02T13:03:34.933" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16627" PostId="3784" Score="4" Text="@DimaPasechnik: Yes, but this particular question is **asking** for inappropriate comments.  As far as the link on zentrallblat, my guess is that it is an automatic trackback to MO questions that link to the particular review.  Saying that it is a judgement by the editors of ZB that this is a valuable question is grasping at straws to justify a blatantly inappropriate post." CreationDate="2018-07-02T14:08:55.153" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="16629" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="@Dima: I'm confused by the zbmath link. I don't see any mention of MathOverflow, or any indication that the people who wrote that statement meant it as a statement about MathOverflow." CreationDate="2018-07-02T21:01:41.037" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16630" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila - I do see it right above Keywords." CreationDate="2018-07-02T22:12:56.150" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="16631" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="@Dima: Ah. My bad. I suspect that this is an automated addition, once the review was linked in the main question." CreationDate="2018-07-02T22:15:47.537" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16632" PostId="3784" Score="2" Text="@Dima: Yeah, for example https://zbmath.org/?q=an:0589.03033 was definitely written long before MathOverflow existed." CreationDate="2018-07-03T01:21:43.130" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16572" PostId="3785" Score="4" Text="Ode to the tagging system, I suppose." CreationDate="2018-06-29T18:20:14.457" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16640" PostId="3785" Score="0" Text="Adding a new tag would add mess, I think. I agree that the situation is a bit strange now but not that bad compared to other topics. I wouldn't remove tags (but adding the ap tag when it's missing to pde questions is a good idea). The differential-equation tag-info could recommend explicitly the ap tag for pde questions." CreationDate="2018-07-05T10:34:33.583" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16641" PostId="3785" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the response @YCor. If tag-excerpt for differential-equations is going to be edited in order to mention the top-level tags, maybe in addition to (ap.analysis-of-pdes) also (ca.classical-analysis-and-odes) should be mentioned. (The first one for PDEs, the other one for ODEs.)" CreationDate="2018-07-05T10:44:13.213" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16642" PostId="3785" Score="0" Text="Yes I agree (to also include ca for ODEs)." CreationDate="2018-07-05T10:50:25.640" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16592" PostId="3786" Score="1" Text="Overall, the present system is reasonable. I personally support an inclusive policy but there were other people who have different views. For this particular question, I found Neil's position convincing. &#xA;&#xA;One thing that I regard bad for MO and  I think moderators should, in general, not allow, is that when a problem was closed after a close/repopen war, the winning side will go on to delete the question altogether." CreationDate="2018-06-30T17:13:14.660" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="16595" PostId="3786" Score="3" Text="@GilKalai: I haven't been involved with this so far, but I think here deletion was the way to go. -- I think the valuable questions for MO are those which are (largely) uncontroversial. Keeping questions up which stir a lot of controversy causes a lot of noise without much benefit for anyone." CreationDate="2018-06-30T20:20:32.687" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16573" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="Downvote for what reason?" CreationDate="2018-06-30T08:52:05.283" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16575" PostId="3788" Score="3" Text="Do we have a tag for Wikipedia?" CreationDate="2018-06-30T11:08:05.490" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16576" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I guess wikipedia is not at all comparable with nlab... anyone can edit in wikipedia, where as one can not do the same in case of nlab..." CreationDate="2018-06-30T11:09:46.373" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16577" PostId="3788" Score="4" Text="There are a number of assumptions here which are questionable, for example that there are restrictions on who can edit the nLab, or that MO is the best way to reach an nLab editor. Of course you are free to ask mathematical questions about nLab content at MO, and people frequently do this, but if what you really want is to reach an nLab author, then you should write to the nForum instead." CreationDate="2018-06-30T11:32:42.687" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16578" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble reaching n lab editor is not the only goal, if that is what my question sounds like.. I mean there is a possibility that nlab editors might see that. Are you saying &quot; there are restrictions on who can edit the nLab,&quot; is not correct?" CreationDate="2018-06-30T11:56:16.923" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16579" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="Yes, that's what I'm saying. Of course people who post spam or nonsense may be blocked and have contributions removed, and &quot;we&quot; at the nLab strongly urge serious contributors to announce their edits at the nForum except for trivial cases like fixing typos." CreationDate="2018-06-30T12:37:55.857" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16580" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I know that you are also involved in nlab :) Are you saying a tag for nlab is not a good thing here?" CreationDate="2018-06-30T12:55:42.490" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16581" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="I'm undecided about the tag." CreationDate="2018-06-30T13:08:33.063" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16582" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I can understand that :)" CreationDate="2018-06-30T13:23:11.003" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16637" PostId="3788" Score="2" Text="@PraphullaKoushik I would rather tag a question by topic than by origin, so I don't see the ncatlab tag as particularly helpful. It's like having tags for the names of famous mathematicians: sure, you might like to discuss something you found in one of Hartshorne's book, but do you really want to tag the question [tag:hartshorne]?" CreationDate="2018-07-04T08:16:45.743" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="16584" PostId="3789" Score="1" Text="“to share administration, editorial, and other duties,” :O I am surprised to see this reply... I did not say anything that looks atleast closer to this.. Did I??" CreationDate="2018-06-30T15:36:37.657" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16585" PostId="3789" Score="1" Text="I do not see how second paragraph is related to my question :O I was just asking to put a tag so that people can relate with what I saw/I know and what I am asking..." CreationDate="2018-06-30T15:38:44.283" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16586" PostId="3789" Score="1" Text="Discussing stuff that appears at the nLab may be your intention.  That is not how others will see it.  Others will see it as talking about nLab itself.  If nLab became part of the MSC, I might see a reason for it.  Tagging by forum name does not make sense to me.  Gerhard &quot;That's How I See It&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.30." CreationDate="2018-06-30T15:45:30.477" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16587" PostId="3789" Score="0" Text="Oh.. no problem..  :) discussing stuff that appears at the nLab is my intention...  that’s up to moderators.. I do not know how to convince more than this,.." CreationDate="2018-06-30T15:53:47.727" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16588" PostId="3789" Score="0" Text="The purpose of the second paragraph is to suggest why even given conditions from the first paragraph, the two systems are different, and that drawing such an association between them with a tag (and other ties) might end up being a bad idea.  Gerhard &quot;Again Is Seeing It Differently&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.30." CreationDate="2018-06-30T16:20:21.963" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16589" PostId="3789" Score="0" Text="Fine... I give it up here... thanks.." CreationDate="2018-06-30T16:37:45.360" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16596" PostId="3791" Score="1" Text="At present, there is too little to judge whether your request would be on topic.  At the risk of advertising, may I suggest following an approach I took?  Many of the questions I have asked on the main site since mid 2016 (available through my user profile) have been about my current interest centered around &quot;jumping primes&quot; (different from jumping champions).  Edit your question above to include your first trial question after you get a sense of what might work, and we can tell you if it can fit.  Gerhard &quot;There Are Also Other Ways&quot; Paseman, 2016.06.30." CreationDate="2018-06-30T22:43:03.873" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16597" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="I was trying to avoid posting my question here. I can, but otherwise why not just post it on main and see what happens" CreationDate="2018-07-01T00:32:39.990" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="16598" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="I really just want to know if it's allowed to ask for topic areas, based on my research details. I can give my details in a question on the main site, but would such a question even be accepted there?" CreationDate="2018-07-01T00:34:33.530" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="16599" PostId="3791" Score="3" Text="Asking for topic areas is usually not well regarded.  This forum is for more focused and specific questions.  The reason for previewing it here is that people know up front that you are trying to make the question fit the forum.  Asking on MathOverflow first gives the impression of making the forum fit the question, and that does not go over as well.  However, the worst that is likely to happen with a new question that does not fit is that it will be closed with at best a brief explanation of why.  Gerhard &quot;That's What I Have Seen&quot; Paseman, 2018.06.30." CreationDate="2018-07-01T01:30:15.773" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16600" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman Thus my second question.... Where to ask?" CreationDate="2018-07-01T02:47:06.897" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="16616" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="I don't know of a good place to ask for topic areas.  However, **if** you ask about a particular object, and references or searches related to the object (or Theorem, Lemma, Proposition), you can then mention your broader interest as motivation, and someone may help with that.  Asking about use of a particular (number-theoretic) n-dimensional sieve in a recent paper is OK, while asking for a summary of its use in the literature is not. (Asking for a reference to a summary is OK though.) Gerhard &quot;We Prefer Quick Answers Here&quot; Paseman, 2018.07.01." CreationDate="2018-07-01T15:53:06.150" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16668" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="My personal criterion in deciding whether a question is appropriate for MO is this: would this question and a possible answer be useful in general, regardless of my own interests? Even better: is there a chance that people performing search for information they need would stumble on this question or an answer to it, and would find it useful?" CreationDate="2018-07-09T14:55:47.307" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="16614" PostId="3792" Score="1" Text="Copy into a PDF, take a screenshot, select, trim, and so on, upload." CreationDate="2018-07-01T14:48:11.117" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16615" PostId="3792" Score="1" Text="That is really not easy. I tried for some questions which you can see from my recent question.. That is really time consuming which I would not prefer.. any other suggestions ?? @AsafKaragila" CreationDate="2018-07-01T15:03:09.877" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16617" PostId="3792" Score="2" Text="Nothing about using tikz is easy. Why should using tikz on MO be easier?" CreationDate="2018-07-01T15:57:58.287" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16620" PostId="3792" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I don’t have any preference for tikzcd or anything for that matter.. most of the questions asking for help in commutative diagrams code has this tikzcd so I am trying to get used to that.." CreationDate="2018-07-01T16:57:27.473" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16624" PostId="3792" Score="2" Text="Some related posts on a nearby site: [How to draw a commutative diagram?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2324) and [Can we support TikZ picture rendering?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/26652)" CreationDate="2018-07-02T05:20:09.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16633" PostId="3793" Score="0" Text="I will add link to your previous post: [Why does MathOverflow keep logging me out?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2295) (In case somebody has an advice regarding the issue you mentioned in the second paragraph.)" CreationDate="2018-07-04T03:22:07.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16639" PostId="3793" Score="1" Text="What happens if you change your browser? In the post Martin linked to, you were using Internet Explorer; could that have anything to do with it?" CreationDate="2018-07-04T14:40:52.997" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16634" PostId="3794" Score="2" Text="I see two &quot;sign up&quot; buttons in your screen shot: a black on gray button over on the left side, and a white on blue button in the upper right. You say there is a &quot;log in&quot; button next to the latter? Left or right side? I don't see it. Of course I do have some vision problems." CreationDate="2018-07-04T03:32:10.650" UserId="43266" />
  <row Id="16635" PostId="3794" Score="4" Text="@bof It is just to the left of the blue one. It is dark blue text on black, and I agree that it is not very visible." CreationDate="2018-07-04T06:20:33.147" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="16636" PostId="3794" Score="0" Text="@TobiasKildetoft Aha! Thanks!" CreationDate="2018-07-04T06:32:06.830" UserId="43266" />
  <row Id="16638" PostId="3794" Score="2" Text="@bof If you pass your cursor over the screen shot, can you then click to enlarge the image?  I can, but I want to make sure others can too." CreationDate="2018-07-04T12:06:55.040" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16643" PostId="3794" Score="1" Text="OK. Sometimes I can see it. Thanks. My &quot;feature request&quot; stands: I request the management to use more contrasting colors, for the sake of the visually challenged." CreationDate="2018-07-06T09:50:44.603" UserId="43266" />
  <row Id="16752" PostId="3794" Score="0" Text="@bof I suppose that when the new theme comes to MO (which is probably soon), the MathOverflow mods can talk with the SE staff also about various design-related feature requests. Relevant post on Meta Stack Exchange: [Rollout of new network site themes](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/312365)." CreationDate="2018-07-19T13:58:17.087" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16647" PostId="3795" Score="0" Text="At Mathematics Meta: [Is it annoying that I don't answer questions and just ask?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6412) and other posts [linked there](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/6412). (It is a different site, but since there is an overlap between the users of the two sites, the discussions might be worth mentioning.)" CreationDate="2018-07-07T05:28:20.777" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16935" PostId="3795" Score="0" Text="@ThomasRot I thank you for your comment.. Are you saying you have suggested to read something but I did not respond for that.. please do let me know.. i have no shame in asking for apologies.. I ask for apologies in that case and I want to become better.. or is that comment was made in general sense?" CreationDate="2018-08-14T13:34:17.740" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16937" PostId="3795" Score="0" Text="@ThomasRot Hehe :D semi general means it is specific to me as welll.. please do let me know :) I will change for better.." CreationDate="2018-08-14T13:39:19.747" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16939" PostId="3795" Score="0" Text="2@ThomasRot I will surely look at that.. no need to delete :)" CreationDate="2018-08-14T13:42:28.103" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16965" PostId="3795" Score="0" Text="This one is from Mathematics Meta again - but probably it is at least to some extent applicable also here. There are some suggestions how a user can do useful stuff for the site by things other than answering: [How can non-experts best contribute?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2085)" CreationDate="2018-08-19T06:06:29.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16646" PostId="3796" Score="6" Text="Ok ok. That is very nice of you. Thank you." CreationDate="2018-07-06T20:57:03.490" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16650" PostId="3797" Score="3" Text="About the concerned post: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3798/deleted-answered-question" CreationDate="2018-07-08T10:28:45.923" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16651" PostId="3797" Score="1" Text="Update: undeleted by the OP; re-post became redundant and in turn deleted by Keith." CreationDate="2018-07-08T11:36:08.637" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16652" PostId="3798" Score="25" Text="There is another arXiv paper by the same author https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.03631 whose content is mostly Eric Wofsey’s answer to this MSE question https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2589180/ pretty much word for word and unacknowledged." CreationDate="2018-07-08T12:42:52.310" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="16653" PostId="3798" Score="3" Text="Very related: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3523/removing-questions-after-answers" CreationDate="2018-07-08T13:04:39.863" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16654" PostId="3798" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni yes. I left the post because while the deletion problem is settled , the other aspect (arxiv unacknowledged posts) is not." CreationDate="2018-07-08T13:05:47.557" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16656" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="@YCor Sure, I didn't mean it as a negative comment; I agree with you that this question deserves some attention." CreationDate="2018-07-08T13:08:58.507" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16658" PostId="3798" Score="4" Text="I just opened a feature request post on [meta.SE]: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312315/question-deleted-as-soon-as-it-is-answered" CreationDate="2018-07-08T13:23:23.367" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16659" PostId="3798" Score="7" Text="@YCor many thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention. (I have misgivings about something like this potentially happening with some TCS flavoured questions, but I admit I have no evidence it has actually yet happened)" CreationDate="2018-07-08T15:45:35.453" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="16666" PostId="3798" Score="3" Text="Interesting idea ... suppose I post an answer in MO using a pseudonym.  Then if I later write a paper containing that same thing, must I &quot;out&quot; my pseudonym?" CreationDate="2018-07-09T12:14:56.000" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="16667" PostId="3798" Score="5" Text="@GeraldEdgar in the given cases the answer are not under a pseudonym, and the author of the arXiv papers is rather suspected to coincide with the OP. If you post under a pseudonym (and try to stay anonymous), it's quite incoherent to publish a paper based on such an anonymous post, since, even if you don't quote the MO post, people would probably assume you coincide with the answerer. [This does not technically answer your question. To make it fun, you might in addition complain for plagiarism under your nickname :)]." CreationDate="2018-07-09T14:32:55.027" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16669" PostId="3798" Score="2" Text="@Gerald, this just underscores the importance of proper attribution, especially if there is value in operating under a pseudonym.  Gerhard &quot;Uses Own Name For Pseudonym&quot; Paseman, 2018.07.09." CreationDate="2018-07-09T16:42:53.477" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16670" PostId="3798" Score="13" Text="https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.03631 has now been deleted by the author, and in https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.03735 an acknowledgement to the MO posting has been added" CreationDate="2018-07-10T08:32:59.280" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16672" PostId="3798" Score="3" Text="@CarloBeenakker thanks for the update (the arxiv paper is not and can't be deleted, but rather withdrawn: one can still access the posted version by clicking to the previous versions)" CreationDate="2018-07-10T08:51:46.487" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16686" PostId="3798" Score="5" Text="@CarloBeenakker Thanks for this information! I did not study attentively enough either the MO answer or the arxiv preprint to judge, but my impression is that the acknowledgement in the latter is very far from being adequate." CreationDate="2018-07-12T19:36:50.520" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="16687" PostId="3798" Score="6" Text="Just to give a perennial link to the update mentioned by Carlo and მამუკა ჯიბლაძე it's https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.03735v4. The update barely consists in the sentence &quot;I would like to acknowledge&#xA;the discussions in the Math overflow question as mentioned in [4]&quot;, [4] being the ref+link to the MO question." CreationDate="2018-07-12T20:14:45.597" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16720" PostId="3798" Score="13" Text="And the removed paper (https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.03631v2) gives attribution to the MSE question with extreme weasel wording: &quot;It appears similar argument is also in the answer to the question [this https URL]&quot;, as if it were some kind of accident that the proof was cut-and-paste." CreationDate="2018-07-15T12:39:29.080" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="16769" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="I of course fully agree with David, but I think that, even with proper attribution, there is no reason X should post Y's result on the arXiv." CreationDate="2018-07-20T21:04:34.250" UserId="461" />
  <row Id="16774" PostId="3798" Score="2" Text="And another question by the same person: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/306488/on-the-intersection-of-a-pid-with-a-subfield-of-its-fraction-field (no answers as of yet)" CreationDate="2018-07-20T23:59:29.650" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20046" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="an interesting read, no doubt, but how is this relevant to MO? Questions here should be about improving MO, right? arXiv is like a different universe which we should ignore." CreationDate="2019-05-15T12:03:24.243" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20047" PostId="3798" Score="2" Text="@schematic_boi because it concerned some posts on MO. So both MO and arxiv are part of the story. It's clear that a discussion about suitability of publishing with no acknowledgement some MO answer is related to MO." CreationDate="2019-05-15T12:09:06.807" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16660" PostId="3799" Score="17" Text="Do MO mods have any plans to contact the arXiv mods?" CreationDate="2018-07-08T15:50:12.273" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="16661" PostId="3799" Score="4" Text="Good point, Yemon; thanks. Looking into that as well." CreationDate="2018-07-08T16:09:52.713" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16662" PostId="3799" Score="4" Text="What if it is further submitted and accepted for publication in a journal? Must not be easy to watch all such cases..." CreationDate="2018-07-08T21:13:34.673" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="16664" PostId="3799" Score="26" Text="Isn't the underlying problem rather academic misconduct than a copyright violation? -- While copyright comes into play when actual text is copied, copyright does not prevent stealing mathematical ideas. That means, copyright merely forces the offender to formulate the proofs etc. in their own words, not more -- or am I mistaken?" CreationDate="2018-07-08T21:36:06.570" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16665" PostId="3799" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl Jeremy Rickard noted another instance where it seemed to be plagiarism pure and simple. I haven't looked closely enough at the current case to see whether it approaches such a level of sheer copying." CreationDate="2018-07-08T23:08:49.130" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16671" PostId="3799" Score="17" Text="one of the offending arXiv submissions has now been deleted and the other has an acknowledgement to MO; at least this thread had an effect, hopefully the author will have learned that this is not the way to proceed in scientific research." CreationDate="2018-07-10T08:41:31.357" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16719" PostId="3799" Score="4" Text="I would not say unattributed use &quot;falls squarely under the terms of the Creative Commons license&quot;, but rather &quot;is in _violation_ of the terms of the Creative Commons license&quot; - the former phrasing to me sounds like it's something that could be allowed." CreationDate="2018-07-15T12:34:56.267" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="16721" PostId="3799" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Taking my response as a whole, I don't see how anyone could mistake my meaning. I'd prefer to parse it as &quot;the part that is still unsettled... falls squarely under the terms of the Creative Commons license&quot;." CreationDate="2018-07-15T13:01:00.357" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16742" PostId="3799" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble actually I had to do a double take to make sure I'm getting your response correctly --- I did make the same interpretation as David originally, but given the wider context of the question and answer, did the double take to re-interpret." CreationDate="2018-07-18T11:03:16.637" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="16744" PostId="3799" Score="0" Text="@Suvrit Does this edit make my position clearer? The original wording was me being cautious and careful, but I'm okay with stating my *opinion* more strongly (while still being surprised that my original feelings were hard to decipher)." CreationDate="2018-07-18T13:57:46.983" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16749" PostId="3799" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Yes, it does! Thanks. I just wonder how many other such violations exist --- probably not that many, but then even a single one is already more violations than there should be." CreationDate="2018-07-18T20:33:49.880" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="16750" PostId="3799" Score="4" Text="Off topic for this &quot;thread&quot;, Todd, but have the mods looked into the suggestion that the two distinct user accounts are actually the same person?" CreationDate="2018-07-19T00:08:37.447" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="16751" PostId="3799" Score="12" Text="@YemonChoi They come from the same IP address." CreationDate="2018-07-19T00:19:13.790" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16798" PostId="3799" Score="3" Text="I've attempted to manually generate a trackback to this page on the arxiv page. We don't usually generate trackbacks for meta posts, but it seems appropriate in this case. (It will probably take a while to appear, as the trackback will require manual moderation on the arxiv end.)" CreationDate="2018-07-24T21:38:05.323" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="16679" PostId="3801" Score="2" Text="I will just add a minor clarification that the question linked in the [current revision](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/3801/revisions) of your post is this one: [What would be good place to list unresolved bounties?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3539) This question is actually *not* a feature request to have &quot;standing bounties&quot;, merely a suggestion how we could achieve something similar using already existing tools." CreationDate="2018-07-11T09:36:33.173" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16684" PostId="3801" Score="0" Text="It might be worth mentioning that this is now posted also as a separate feature request: [Should we have standing bounties?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3802)" CreationDate="2018-07-12T09:50:33.137" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16680" PostId="3802" Score="1" Text="No. There are people who use bounties to prevent their questions from being closed. Standing bounties would make a question remain open forever." CreationDate="2018-07-12T07:32:54.533" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16681" PostId="3802" Score="5" Text="@AsafKaragila Allow questions with bounties to be closed, then." CreationDate="2018-07-12T08:00:36.803" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16682" PostId="3802" Score="3" Text="Here are some past posts related to Asaf Karagila's comments: [Why can't we close questions that have a bounty?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3229) and [Using bounty to prevent a question from being closed](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2067)." CreationDate="2018-07-12T08:12:59.753" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16683" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="@Emil: Yes, that would be nice to have." CreationDate="2018-07-12T08:16:15.437" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16685" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="As discussed in the links by Martin, questions to be closed with bounties can be flagged." CreationDate="2018-07-12T19:21:01.800" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="16689" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="Flagging helps, sometimes. Not always." CreationDate="2018-07-12T23:47:55.973" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="23584" PostId="3802" Score="1" Text="On [codegolf.se] there is a separate post on meta for this purpose: [List of bounties with no deadline](https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5243)." CreationDate="2020-08-01T09:43:28.910" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23585" PostId="3802" Score="1" Text="And also on some other sites. [literature.se]: [List of bounties with no deadline](https://literature.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1091), [puzzling.se]: [List of bounties with no deadlines](https://puzzling.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4399)." CreationDate="2020-08-01T11:08:18.277" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16691" PostId="3803" Score="3" Text="We've already seen that the seemingly innocuous act of blocking &quot;Hi&quot; at the beginning of comments had unintented consequences.  I think that makes it clear that automated 'dumb' blocks aren't the solution (and probably smart blocks either).  It seems to me that volume is low enough that humans can do this job just fine." CreationDate="2018-07-13T05:00:24.537" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16692" PostId="3803" Score="5" Text="On Mathematics there are some phrases which cause a *warning* when used in the title: [Should the site have an automatic word filter for titles?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/16573) and [Which are blacklisted tags and blacklisted phrases?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21966). MathOverflow mods should be able to tell you which words are blacklisted on this site." CreationDate="2018-07-13T05:25:59.610" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16694" PostId="3803" Score="2" Text="I have added (warnings) tag, since you've mentioned pop-ups and it seems that on other sites they are also used for this purpose. Since it is marginally related (in that it could help to show new users what this site is for) I will mention my own proposal: [Should users be shown some basic information before posting the first question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3386)" CreationDate="2018-07-13T09:18:42.263" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16695" PostId="3803" Score="6" Text="I can’t recall when, if ever, I saw “urgent” in the title of a MO post. And it’s not as if homework questions do not get closed swiftly without hassle anyway. To me, this proposal sounds like a solution in want of a problem." CreationDate="2018-07-13T09:19:24.523" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16696" PostId="3803" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek you can see that post I have given link to, it is with that title saying pretty urgent... I don’t understand what does it mean to say “solution in want of a problem”" CreationDate="2018-07-13T09:21:01.630" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16697" PostId="3803" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak block listed tags are different from block listed words in the title.. your link only says about blacklisted tags," CreationDate="2018-07-13T09:22:32.113" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16698" PostId="3803" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek There are many other words which often indicate bad title (the linked posts from Mathematics Meta can give some examples). The fact there are [no questions with the word urgent in the title](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=title%3Aurgent) just shows that such questions have been deleted. I am unaware of search method to find all such deleted posts available for non-diamond users. But simple [google search](https://www.google.com/search?q=urgent+site%3Amathoverflow.net) reveals a few questions with this word in the title:" CreationDate="2018-07-13T09:50:57.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16700" PostId="3803" Score="2" Text="Aside from the posts linked in the question, among the first results in the Google search there are also these ones: [Simple question but URGENT](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/298935/simple-question-but-urgent) and [Urgent concrete question on smooth projective embeddings](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/300595/concrete-question-on-smooth-projective-embeddings). (From the results of the google search we can see that they had urgent in the title - at least at some point.)" CreationDate="2018-07-13T10:14:07.770" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16703" PostId="3803" Score="1" Text="Relevant post on MSE meta https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/25134/the-word-urgent-in-a-title-should-trigger-a-warning" CreationDate="2018-07-13T17:02:34.647" UserDisplayName="user69208" />
  <row Id="16717" PostId="3803" Score="5" Text="I agree with others that blocking is a bad idea. One could rather imagine automatic mention of such questions in the review queue." CreationDate="2018-07-14T09:57:14.620" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16799" PostId="3803" Score="2" Text="There could be a problem if someone mention the &quot;wrong words&quot; in a very specific mathematical content, for example : &quot;Does inaccessible cardinals really HELP in the demonstration of theorem X &quot; , &quot;is the problem of the &quot;URGENT CALL&quot;, a NP-complete problem&quot; ;  &quot; Can PLEASE as a non-trivial modal operator, be considered as a primitive notion in the X system &quot; , etc." CreationDate="2018-07-25T00:36:41.610" UserId="112382" />
  <row Id="16702" PostId="3804" Score="0" Text="I now know one more term “XY problem”.. thanks for that.... “but it has been ignored by the moderators up to now”... I do not know what is easy for them.. I am just giving my opinion..." CreationDate="2018-07-13T15:59:11.827" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16704" PostId="3804" Score="0" Text="I appreciate linking to my proposal. Still, I think that some words in the title might indicate that the title is most likely not very good. Especially subjective words such as difficult, beautiful, etc. I'd guess that the list currently used on Mathematics (see the links in the comments) is quite reasonable. I suppose moderators will let us know what is current setup of this feature on MO." CreationDate="2018-07-13T18:08:34.833" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16706" PostId="3804" Score="0" Text="@Martin, https://mathoverflow.net/questions/49151/most-intricate-and-most-beautiful-structures-in-mathematics and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/94429/looking-for-at-least-one-beautiful-and-not-too-technical-result-in-asymptotic-gr and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/99736/beautiful-descriptions-of-exceptional-groups/99795 and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/74841/an-example-of-a-beautiful-proof-that-would-be-accessible-at-the-high-school-leve and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/241856/elementary-proof-of-ramanujans-most-beautiful-identity and should I go on?" CreationDate="2018-07-13T23:52:10.927" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16709" PostId="3804" Score="2" Text="For what it's worth, I flagged the meta question you linked to for moderator attention a few weeks ago with the comment &quot;Could a moderator perhaps write a response to this question? What steps are needed by the community before such features could be implemented?&quot; and my flag was marked as &quot;helpful&quot;." CreationDate="2018-07-14T00:23:04.373" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="16711" PostId="3804" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson So I take it you're posting these examples to support my point. Such words *often* end up with a rather non-descriptive title, so warning on some chosen words could be useful (but not outright ban, some of titles containing these word might still be reasonable). This is the system which is used on Mathematics (according to Mathematics Meta). And maybe some words trigger warning also here on MO - only mods and SE staff are in position to check the complete list. (Regular users can at best do some experiments.)" CreationDate="2018-07-14T05:19:59.070" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16714" PostId="3804" Score="0" Text="@Martin, my point was just that a question could be good even if the word &quot;beautiful&quot; appears in its title." CreationDate="2018-07-14T09:07:28.983" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16715" PostId="3804" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Thanks for the clarification. (I have posted a separate answer about the warnings based on specific words in the title. So that we do not digress too much from the Federico Poloni's suggestion in the comments under his answer.)" CreationDate="2018-07-14T09:10:23.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16705" PostId="3805" Score="1" Text="While as you say this is technically possible with the Charcoal infrastructure, I don't think it would be appropriate or desirable to flag the new user posts that are being discussed here as spam." CreationDate="2018-07-13T23:25:32.727" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="16707" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="@j.c. Indeed. It would be better to simply post them in a chat room with informed members of the community to handle properly" CreationDate="2018-07-14T00:03:53.623" UserId="96930" />
  <row Id="16708" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="At the moment I think the current manual system (where sufficiently-high-rep users notice such questions on the front page and edit / vote) seems efficient enough without organizing further in a chat room or otherwise. I think the goal of this question and meta discussion is that _preventing_ the posting of low-quality questions / question titles (possibly through automation) would save some annoyance (both on the part of higher-rep users and casual viewers of the site who happen to see off-topic questions before they're removed)." CreationDate="2018-07-14T00:18:09.140" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="16710" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="Very true. I'll keep this answer here in case anyone else has a better argument for it" CreationDate="2018-07-14T00:39:42.403" UserId="96930" />
  <row Id="17856" PostId="3806" Score="0" Text="Since users wondering why their reputation is not changing might find this post when searching on meta, it might be worth mentioning at least in a comment that this might also happen when user reaches the daily reputation limit. More details can be found in answer to these questions: [5 points for an upvote to an answer?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3912) and [Reputation not moving up while having 27 upvotes](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1906)." CreationDate="2018-12-09T12:12:36.407" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22404" PostId="3806" Score="4" Text="Does this answer your question? [My answer got upvoted, but no reputation increase?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4614/my-answer-got-upvoted-but-no-reputation-increase)" CreationDate="2020-07-03T10:53:44.087" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16713" PostId="3807" Score="0" Text="Since this was mention in comments both under the question or under Federico Poloni's answer, it is probably better to post an answer, so that the discussion about this can be concentrated in one place." CreationDate="2018-07-14T07:14:44.690" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16716" PostId="3808" Score="1" Text="I actually believe that the main goal/role of cw is to prevent people to get huge reputation based on big-list questions, and restrict getting reputation on somewhat mathematical contributions." CreationDate="2018-07-14T09:51:24.577" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16718" PostId="3808" Score="5" Text="I guess that this has been discussed here many times, but it's probably worth mentioning that using CW as a way to avoid reputation gain (as mentioned in @YCor's comment) seems to be specific to MO and a few other sites. (It's not network-wide approach and possibility to make a post CW was intended for a different purpose.)" CreationDate="2018-07-14T11:16:10.417" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16723" PostId="3811" Score="0" Text="Links to some basic info related to this can be found in the [serial voting tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/serial-voting/info)." CreationDate="2018-07-15T18:27:50.597" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16725" PostId="3811" Score="5" Text="One option you should view as plausible is that somebody had a poor opinion of your latter post (Gehrard's answer below gives some support to this), and then checked your other posts and quickly got the same opinion from a glance." CreationDate="2018-07-16T22:06:28.213" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16726" PostId="3814" Score="7" Text="No amount of extra margin is going to solve this. The problem is that the final width of MathJax content is not known beforehand so that the browser could use it when deciding line breaks." CreationDate="2018-07-17T09:20:11.210" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16800" PostId="3814" Score="5" Text="There's a last Fermat theorem joke waiting to be made here." CreationDate="2018-07-25T13:07:24.843" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16727" PostId="3815" Score="2" Text="As @EmilJeřábek points out, this seems to be mathjax-related" CreationDate="2018-07-17T09:26:07.773" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="16729" PostId="3816" Score="2" Text="I don't think that 'centreless' is a consequence of the abstract isomorphism $G \cong \mathrm{Aut}(G)$—at least, not obviously so—but rather of the *particular* isomorphism $g \mapsto \mathrm{Inn}(g)$.  (Of course your statement about complete groups remains true, at least according to the Wikipedia definition, which currently builds 'centreless' into the definition ….)  I bring this up because it seemed that @JustinBenfield was asking about *abstract* isomorphism." CreationDate="2018-07-17T21:29:49.573" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16730" PostId="3816" Score="0" Text="(@JustinBenfield, I don't know if non-participants receive at-notifications, but sorry about the spurious one you'll have got from that.)" CreationDate="2018-07-17T21:30:27.087" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16735" PostId="3818" Score="0" Text="I don't think that 'centreless' is a consequence of the abstract isomorphism $G \cong \mathrm{Aut}(G)$—at least, not obviously so—but rather of the *particular* isomorphism $g \mapsto \mathrm{Inn}(g)$. (It seems that the first part of the comment suffices to reproduce the problem.)" CreationDate="2018-07-18T05:37:52.427" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16736" PostId="3818" Score="0" Text="I don't think that 'centreless' is a consequence of the abstract isomorphism $G \cong \mathrm{Aut}(G)$—at least, not obviously so—but rather of the _particular_ isomorphism $g \mapsto \mathrm{Inn}(g)$. (The same problem is there if we use underscore instead of star for italics.)" CreationDate="2018-07-18T05:38:48.513" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16737" PostId="3818" Score="1" Text="I don't think that 'centreless' is a consequence of the abstract isomorphism —at least, not obviously so—but rather of the *particular* isomorphism. (What happens if I omit the MathJax from the comment?)" CreationDate="2018-07-18T05:40:39.090" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16745" PostId="3818" Score="0" Text="One more try:  is it the dash?  —*particular*—.  It seems to be." CreationDate="2018-07-18T15:33:23.753" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16746" PostId="3818" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Regarding the last comment with &quot; —*particular*—&quot; as compared with &quot;— *particular* —&quot; AFAIK formatting like this works in comments only if surrounded by *some* characters (spaces, comma, full stop...). You can find a few posts about this on meta, like; [Italics markup not working in comments](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/64706)." CreationDate="2018-07-18T17:13:08.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16748" PostId="3818" Score="3" Text="(I deleted several intermediate comments exploring various possibilities, and have re-posted a less mangled version of this comment.)  [Good point](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3816/markdown-not-rendering-in-a-particular-comment#comment16746_3818); I was just trying to edit down to an MWE.  &quot;$\cong$—spacer *particular* spacer—$\mapsto$&quot; seems to exhibit the same effect, but &quot;—spacer *particular* spacer—&quot; doesn't, so I guess it's the MathJax + em-dash." CreationDate="2018-07-18T19:05:30.357" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16753" PostId="3818" Score="1" Text="Since we seem to have a reproducible bug, does this post constitute reporting it, or is there some more central repository to which I should report it?" CreationDate="2018-07-19T19:20:10.317" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16754" PostId="3818" Score="1" Text="@LSpice I think both possibilities are ok, leaving just this post or making a bug report on Meta Stack Exchange. SE employees check also local metas - it was mentioned [recently in this comment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312478/how-should-feature-requests-be-discussed#comment1022479_312481) - so they should notice your post eventually. However, on the main meta the post would get more exposure. (Moreover, this is not specific just for MO, there are also several other sites that use MathJax)." CreationDate="2018-07-19T19:31:40.587" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16767" PostId="3818" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Here's a slightly more minimal example: $\cong$—  *italics* $\cong$: code `$\cong$—  *italics* $\cong$`. The lack of a space between the MathJax and em-dash is necessary ($\cong$ —  *italics* $\cong$: code `$\cong$ —  *italics* $\cong$`) , and there also must be MathJax on both sides (($\cong$—  *italics*: code  `$\cong$ —  *italics*`)." CreationDate="2018-07-20T19:19:12.973" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="16781" PostId="3818" Score="4" Text="@LSpice I'd guess it is worth linking the post on the main meta also here: [MathJax + Markdown rendering in comments](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/312935)." CreationDate="2018-07-21T05:56:09.627" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16755" PostId="3819" Score="11" Text="MathOverflow is not a repository of memorials or obituary material.  It is a question and answer forum more about mathematics than about mathematicians.  If you want to show respect to both Jonathan Gleason and to the purposes of this forum,  continue Gleason's work by studying it and asking a question of appropriate (usually narrow and specific) scope for this forum.  Gerhard &quot;We Welcome Good Mathematical Questions&quot; Paseman, 2018.07.19." CreationDate="2018-07-19T19:59:34.113" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16756" PostId="3819" Score="8" Text="It is always sad to hear of the loss of a young person.  I don't think any disrespect was intended.   The site is really focussed on questions in mathematics, and exceptions are not often made." CreationDate="2018-07-19T20:00:05.163" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="16764" PostId="3819" Score="2" Text="I removed the bug tag because clearly there was no bug, and replaced it with the discussion tag in view of the only actual question, &quot;Can someone restore it?&quot; (Of course &quot;someone can&quot; in the sense that the ability exists, but I'm pretty sure no one will.)" CreationDate="2018-07-20T11:43:05.093" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16758" PostId="3820" Score="0" Text="Still no response on whom, for what reason deleted the post." CreationDate="2018-07-19T21:42:30.747" UserId="124606" />
  <row Id="16759" PostId="3820" Score="4" Text="Well, I don't think it's particularly a secret. Users YCor, j.c., and Stefan Kohl voted to delete. No one is under obligation to say why they vote as they do, and by writing in a hostile or angry fashion as you have, you are lessening the odds any of them will respond. But I think my own surmise (in the first paragraph) is probably on target." CreationDate="2018-07-19T22:26:41.220" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16763" PostId="3820" Score="4" Text="I see from an earlier cached version that some comments of the OP have been deleted (either by the OP themselves or by others). I only mention this to put Todd's comment in context" CreationDate="2018-07-20T10:57:05.967" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="16768" PostId="3821" Score="3" Text="Well, no, no bug, i.e., no malfunctioning of software or anything like that. Did you check your reputation history? I was easily able to trace it to this post https://mathoverflow.net/questions/304542/oriented-angles-of-two-vectors-in-the-3-dimension-euclidean-space/ which was recently deleted. This resulted in a loss of 73 (60 from upvotes, 15 from acceptance, -2 from downvote)." CreationDate="2018-07-20T19:38:33.107" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16770" PostId="3821" Score="0" Text="I did not see that, and I did not know that this is how things function. I also don't know why someone would downvote this question. There seems to be no other forum for support." CreationDate="2018-07-20T21:40:15.640" UserId="11142" />
  <row Id="16771" PostId="3821" Score="3" Text="Just FYI, if you go to your user page, you should see a tab that says 'reputation' which will show a history of reputation changes; that's how I found the post. As for the post: it was first closed as being off-topic (it asked a non-mathematical question, on how to get an article of the OP published or on the arXiv). Probably nothing would more have happened, except that the OP basically obliterated the original question and replaced it with an announcement that the article is now on the arXiv; I expect it would not have been deleted if it weren't for the apparent self-promotion." CreationDate="2018-07-20T22:07:56.613" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16772" PostId="3821" Score="5" Text="I didn't downvote your answer, but happened to sometimes downvote answers to low-quality questions (even if not bad), on the grounds that answering low-quality posts should be discouraged." CreationDate="2018-07-20T22:14:27.070" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16773" PostId="3821" Score="0" Text="&quot;I also don't know why someone would downvote this question.&quot; Igor, are you referring to the current question you have posted here in meta? or to the deleted question on the main site?" CreationDate="2018-07-20T23:34:05.487" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16775" PostId="3821" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson This very meta question." CreationDate="2018-07-21T00:02:11.823" UserId="11142" />
  <row Id="16776" PostId="3821" Score="0" Text="@Gerry Myerson which has now been downvoted twice." CreationDate="2018-07-21T00:02:31.473" UserId="11142" />
  <row Id="16777" PostId="3821" Score="0" Text="@YCor You do know this is &quot;meta&quot;, right? Which is the only place to ask support questions. If you are not interested in support (which I certainly do not blame you for),  then you would not know if this is a &quot;bad&quot; question or not. The same goes for any other question. As for the main MO, I NEVER downvote. My downvote is a vote to close." CreationDate="2018-07-21T00:04:19.193" UserId="11142" />
  <row Id="16778" PostId="3821" Score="6" Text="I suspect, Igor, that you and @YCor are speaking past each other. I think YCor was writing about downvoting the deleted question on the main site, while you think YCor is writing about the current question you have posted in meta. For my part, I don't see the point in downvoting this meta question, unless maybe someone is expressing surprise that a user who has been on this site as long as you have has missed out on these facts about loss of points and tracking reputation changes(or maybe expressing annoyance that someone with 76k points is worried about .1k)." CreationDate="2018-07-21T04:09:40.583" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16779" PostId="3821" Score="1" Text="IIRC if you check the checkbox &quot;show removed posts&quot; on [your reputation tab](https://mathoverflow.net/users/current?tab=reputation), you should see there also negative reputation changes with links to the posts that cause them. See also: [Where reputation disappears](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/18884) and [Mysterious one point rep increase](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/178)." CreationDate="2018-07-21T05:26:14.653" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16780" PostId="3821" Score="0" Text="BTW you have sufficient reputation to search for *your own* deleted posts by entering [deleted:1](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=deleted%3A1) into search. See also: [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254)" CreationDate="2018-07-21T05:27:17.460" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16782" PostId="3821" Score="0" Text="I will add one more link, since quid's answer there gives a very detailed explanation: [I had reputation of 104 it fell down to 96 the next time I logged in. Why is that?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21311#21313)" CreationDate="2018-07-21T06:03:48.387" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16783" PostId="3821" Score="1" Text="@IgorRivin yes I did a confusion (thanks Gerry) and talked about downvotes on MO. Downvotes on meta is something else; it seems that people downvote more easily here." CreationDate="2018-07-21T06:56:02.867" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="16785" PostId="3822" Score="2" Text="Very helpful, thanks!" CreationDate="2018-07-21T16:25:58.497" UserId="11142" />
  <row Id="16788" PostId="3823" Score="4" Text="No. The point is to close the question. If there are five people who think the question should be closed, does it matter *why*? Do you need five people to tell you that you should eat blueberries for the same reason? Can't it just be good for you *and* tasty?" CreationDate="2018-07-23T09:39:56.810" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16789" PostId="3823" Score="6" Text="Quite often the offered close reasons are only a loose fit, and different voters make different random choices as to which point to tick. Not to mention that some of the close reasons are almost equivalent in the first place (e.g., plain off-topic and off-topic with math.stackexchange.com suggestion)." CreationDate="2018-07-23T11:47:45.030" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16790" PostId="3823" Score="8" Text="That said, I don't see a great reason why all the close reasons couldn't be displayed. There is a bit of discussion on this here https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312658/show-the-cast-close-vote-reasons but I didn't really buy the reason in the answer. One thing to note: before a question has been closed, the current reasons for closing are displayed when you hit the vote-to-close button (which of course you don't have to follow through on). Also, if at least two people use the same reason, that reason will display after all the close votes are in." CreationDate="2018-07-23T12:05:12.687" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16791" PostId="3823" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: &quot;The point is to close the question&quot; - do you mean to imply that the main goal of closing questions is to shut them down rather than to improve them? In cases where a question really isn't suited for the site, it should be easy to get 5 &quot;Off Topic&quot; votes. But I have also seen reasonable questions get closed (and sometimes reopened again, sometimes after some mild changes, or even just by disagreement), with no consensus on what exactly is the problem with the question." CreationDate="2018-07-23T12:25:04.613" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="16792" PostId="3823" Score="4" Text="Yes, closing questions is not &quot;means for improvements&quot;, it is simply a way to say &quot;No, this is not content valid for this website&quot;. Whether or not the author (or someone else) makes changes that make the content a better fit, or if other people dispute this decision, is a whole other story. The point is to close the question, because in its present form, it does not fit to the site (as best as the users voting could tell) for one of many possible reasons." CreationDate="2018-07-23T12:28:43.903" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16793" PostId="3823" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: The On Hold dialogue reads: &quot;If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.&quot; I see this as an invitation to improve the question, and I think this is easier if there is more information about its problems." CreationDate="2018-07-23T12:36:38.853" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="16794" PostId="3823" Score="1" Text="The information communicated by close reasons is too unspecific to be of any use for improvement of the question. This requires someone to actually post a helpful comment." CreationDate="2018-07-23T12:46:26.117" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="16795" PostId="3823" Score="4" Text="Re what Emil said: in practice this is usually true. Usually the author of a question will not really be able to act on &quot;not research level&quot; in order to improve the question. Some of the others (like &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; or &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot;) do seem more like an invitation to improvement, although usually the author will need a hand-hold to discover what exactly is unclear, etc. But I think the OP has a laudable aim here: to try to give questions more of a chance. Most of the time, closures have a ring of the death knell to them, and it seems he wants to ameliorate that." CreationDate="2018-07-23T13:42:53.193" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16803" PostId="3823" Score="1" Text="Rather, wouldn't it be enough to have two close reasons &quot;off-topic&quot; and&#xA;&quot;no longer relevant&quot; -- where closing a question as &quot;off-topic&quot; deletes&#xA;existing answers and adds a message like &quot;This question does not appear&#xA;to be a good fit for this site in its present form. If it can be changed&#xA;in order to make it suitable for this site, you might find relevant advice&#xA;in the comments.&quot;, and closing a question as &quot;no longer relevant&quot; adds&#xA;a message like &quot;This question has run its course, and does not accept further&#xA;answers.&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-07-27T12:32:37.130" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16805" PostId="3823" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl: interesting; I didn't think to challenge the available options. There is certainly some ambiguity in them, and they could benefit from a revision. To add to your options, I think migration to math SE or academia SE could both be helpful tools as well (the former currently exists; the latter doesn't)." CreationDate="2018-07-27T13:18:08.600" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="16810" PostId="3823" Score="0" Text="@R.vanDobbendeBruyn: As to migration, I think it is easy enough for the OP to paste their question into a question box at the other site themselves -- that way they get a fresh question there which gets better visibility in general. Thus on the side of MO, it would suffice to close the question, and to suggest (a) site(s) where to post it instead -- and leave the choice to the OP." CreationDate="2018-07-27T16:07:35.153" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16877" PostId="3823" Score="1" Text="You may want to upvote this feature request on [meta.se]: [Distinguish close votes by reason](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/54917/distinguish-close-votes-by-reason?rq=1)" CreationDate="2018-08-05T11:46:53.617" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16796" PostId="3824" Score="0" Text="I am not sure, do you refer to the templates in the answers to this question: [Comment template for questions more appropriate for MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971)? I should point out that several sites have lists of comments templates useful in various situations, for example, Mathematics: [List of comment templates](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4925)." CreationDate="2018-07-24T15:33:57.587" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16797" PostId="3824" Score="0" Text="Sorry, but my memory is fuzzy and I don't recall. Both of the links seem appropriate though, and if you want to add them to the answer, that's OK with me.  Gerhard &quot;Likes Seeing Others Add Quality&quot; Paseman, 2018.07.24." CreationDate="2018-07-24T15:43:48.613" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16804" PostId="3825" Score="1" Text="So any comment containing an offensive substring will be deleted automatically?" CreationDate="2018-07-27T12:43:48.993" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16806" PostId="3825" Score="1" Text="Only if it's flagged, but yes, that seems to be the case. It's worth noting that there's no penalty for the comment poster when this occurs." CreationDate="2018-07-27T13:18:13.023" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="16807" PostId="3825" Score="1" Text="Is there like a list of these banned words somewhere?" CreationDate="2018-07-27T13:18:56.463" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16808" PostId="3825" Score="1" Text="We don't publish them, no. There's a user-compiled list [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/238835/284336), which is the closest thing available." CreationDate="2018-07-27T13:21:35.920" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="16809" PostId="3825" Score="3" Text="Thanks! I guess I will open a separate account, reach to 50 points, and then just post a comment with every single word in the English language, including common misspelling, variants, and slang, then use my main account to flag them and see what gets deleted automatically... or I just go back to my research." CreationDate="2018-07-27T13:23:32.620" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16832" PostId="3825" Score="0" Text="Could you perform an edit to restore the comment, or did you do this already?" CreationDate="2018-07-30T02:09:49.053" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16833" PostId="3825" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I can not. Only comments that are deleted by diamond moderators may be undeleted. Anything deleted by the comment OP or by a single or group of users flagging can not be undeleted." CreationDate="2018-07-30T02:20:41.067" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="16871" PostId="3826" Score="0" Text="Will anyone be attending Geordie Williamson's plenary lecture on Wednesday the 8th? I am very curious about that one (not that I expect him to once again reveal some huge result at a lecture, but his talks are still usually well worth the time)." CreationDate="2018-08-03T07:35:03.557" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="16873" PostId="3826" Score="0" Text="I hope to be at Williamson's talk. I will see what material (e.g. video) is being released by the organizers about the plenary lectures.  Gerhard &quot;Been Arriving Late Each Morning&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.03." CreationDate="2018-08-03T12:32:23.530" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16876" PostId="3826" Score="1" Text="@Tobias, according to the organizing chairman, there will be some days before the videos of the plenary lectures are released. I intend to be at the talk.  If I hear gasps from the audience, I will take a picture of the slide.  Gerhard &quot;If It Is Family Appropriate&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.04." CreationDate="2018-08-04T20:03:24.087" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16878" PostId="3826" Score="0" Text="Thank you. As I said, I don't expect any big revelation, but it is good to know that the talk will be available (his abstract seems like it will be more general than allows for big reveals, but then again, in Uppsala 2012 he decided to completely change the topic compared to the announced abstract since the work had just been completed)." CreationDate="2018-08-06T07:51:37.917" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="16881" PostId="3826" Score="0" Text="@Tobias, I found a lovely introduction into representation theory for the first part of Williamson's lecture.  I did not stay riveted though, and lost some of the middle. He mentioned Kazhdan-Lustig, a new character formula, and a billiards conjecture. In a few hours, someone will post an overview of this, and the proceedings will contain much detail.  Gerhard &quot;Hope This Helps A Bit&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.08." CreationDate="2018-08-08T13:52:19.317" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16882" PostId="3826" Score="0" Text="Thank you. Where will the overview be posted? The topics mentioned are at least ones I am very much familiar with." CreationDate="2018-08-08T19:27:53.410" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="16883" PostId="3826" Score="0" Text="I don't know . Tomorrow I will ask about availability of the abstracts and videos. A version of the abstract is available on the website right now, and a blurb for mass consumption should be posted later tonight (as they have done with earlier plenary talks).  Send me an email, and I can send you some snaps I took.  Gerhard &quot;Almost Ready To Go Home&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.08." CreationDate="2018-08-08T19:54:33.707" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17024" PostId="3826" Score="0" Text="Do you know if there has been any update on the expected time for these videos? Or maybe other sources for them (I know that Scholze's talk is on the uni-bonn youtube channel now)." CreationDate="2018-08-30T08:40:19.403" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="17025" PostId="3826" Score="0" Text="@Tobias, I do not know.  I will make some inquiries later today.  Gerhard &quot;Hopefully I'll Get Good News&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.30." CreationDate="2018-08-30T16:04:25.627" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16811" PostId="3827" Score="3" Text="Some related posts on Academia Stack Exchange (I am pretty sure more can be found): [How to acknowledge a MathOverflow user?](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/107963) and [How to acknowledge a MathOverflow user?](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/107963)" CreationDate="2018-07-29T09:04:47.407" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16812" PostId="3827" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the nice link. Although it seems to me plausible to just cite their answer as a bibliography item, I will contact them offering co-authorship, as I promised to Francois Ziegler." CreationDate="2018-07-29T09:20:52.387" UserId="72288" />
  <row Id="16813" PostId="3827" Score="12" Text="@MortezaAzad Actually I think the right place is Academia StackExchange rather than MathOverflow Meta (because it's more about academic ethic than about usage of MathOverflow).  Of course, the question of where the question belongs, *that* belongs in MathOverflow Meta. " CreationDate="2018-07-29T09:44:38.903" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="16815" PostId="3827" Score="10" Text="Just to add to my comment below, I am sometimes mentioned in the &quot;Acknowledgments&quot; for helping the paper in this or that way, and that is fine with me. I think this is the standard way if we ask a question from a colleague (in person, by email, at MO, etc.). Offering collaborationship should be reserved to cases where the contribution is really substantial or decisive." CreationDate="2018-07-29T10:38:33.257" UserId="11919" />
  <row Id="16829" PostId="3827" Score="1" Text="If the proof relies on a MathOverflow Post, it might even be good to repeat the whole thing- of course with giving full credit. Theoretically MathOverflow questions can get deleted and so a proof could become incomplete." CreationDate="2018-07-29T14:37:55.633" UserId="3969" />
  <row Id="16880" PostId="3827" Score="1" Text="A flip side of the question is, what should you do if a proof from your MO answer was used almost word for word in a paper written by the question-asker (this happened to a colleague)." CreationDate="2018-08-07T17:02:29.367" UserDisplayName="user123627" />
  <row Id="16816" PostId="3828" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the answer. I do not think that their answer is negligible, and I intended (at least) to add it as a bibliography item. Anyway, I will contact  them via @ and let them decide about co-authorship." CreationDate="2018-07-29T08:59:12.167" UserId="72288" />
  <row Id="16817" PostId="3828" Score="21" Text="I don't suppose you offer co-authorship every time you use someone else's published result (whether in a peer-reviewed journal or in a preprint, e.g., on the arXiv): why should it be different for a MathOverflow answer?  I don't see any reason to treat MO posts as different from any form of publication: acknowledge and cite properly what they did, yes, ask how to best do that certainly, but offer co-authorship only when the idea is a central part and more than a tool in the paper being written." CreationDate="2018-07-29T09:42:41.003" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="16818" PostId="3828" Score="3" Text="@Gro-Tsen I agree that this is not MO or internet-specific at all. The key point is: because they *asked* (so links about acknowledging existing old posts don’t apply). In my experience, once you ask there is an implied contract that anything stemming from the resulting conversation is potential joint work. If your paper proves Fermat and the other guy just taught you Schur’s lemma, trust that s/he *will* decline (or suggest splitting off the joint part into its own paper)." CreationDate="2018-07-29T09:57:32.693" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="16819" PostId="3828" Score="9" Text="@Gro-Tsen: There is a difference between finding the answer in published material (including MO), and asking a specific question and getting an answer to it." CreationDate="2018-07-29T10:03:04.980" UserId="11919" />
  <row Id="16820" PostId="3828" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much all of you! In my case, the answer is a tool in the paper being written; however, since they helped me in finding that tool, I will ask them to decide whether they want co-authorship or not." CreationDate="2018-07-29T10:15:52.417" UserId="72288" />
  <row Id="16821" PostId="3828" Score="4" Text="OK, I missed the fact that OP was talking about an answer to *their* question while researching that particular topic, and not just some answer they found on MathOverflow.  In this case, I agree that this is *a priori* reason for joint publication." CreationDate="2018-07-29T11:40:17.560" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="16822" PostId="3828" Score="7" Text="@FrancoisZiegler I agree with your comment that this is not MO specific, but I don't believe that you should always offer co-authorship when you ask someone a question and they can answer it.  It depends on how it fits into your paper---it could be something very minor---and even suggesting writing part as a joint paper (or writing an appendix) is not always appropriate in my mind." CreationDate="2018-07-29T11:59:07.907" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="16823" PostId="3828" Score="0" Text="@Gro-Tsen, I apologize for the misunderstanding; perhaps I should have emphasized that it was an answer to my question. Anyway, it is interesting and helpful to read the comments." CreationDate="2018-07-29T12:28:15.360" UserId="72288" />
  <row Id="16824" PostId="3828" Score="3" Text="@Kimball Maybe I was too “one size fits all”, and should have prefaced my answer with “when in doubt”. But then, the OP *was* in doubt. Most often the other guy will decline, saying “anyone could have done it” (mathematicians are good at that), but better err on the side of letting them be the judge. Unless it’s *so* obvious you dare not even suggest they’d like credit for it (i.e., you’re not in doubt)." CreationDate="2018-07-29T13:15:57.510" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="16825" PostId="3828" Score="4" Text="@user237522 May I suggest that you unaccept my answer? Now that it’s both community wiki and maybe not universally agreed upon. (And, BTW, I do waive coauthorship if you end up using this advice ;-)" CreationDate="2018-07-29T13:34:55.140" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="16826" PostId="3829" Score="3" Text="Thank you very much for your answer! Before asking the above question, I intended to cite (+acknowledge) the answer to my question, but was not sure about co-authorship. Now I see that it is better to contact the answerer and let he/she decide if they think they should be co-authors." CreationDate="2018-07-29T10:57:01.443" UserId="72288" />
  <row Id="16827" PostId="3829" Score="0" Text="@user237522 You are welcome! MathOverflow could be such an enjoyable academic forum if we, the users, commit ourselves to observe some basic contribution principles and try to always be friendly and helpful! Good luck with your project my friend! :-)" CreationDate="2018-07-29T11:03:57.347" UserId="82843" />
  <row Id="16828" PostId="3829" Score="0" Text="I agree with what you say about MathOverflow. Thank you very much for your kind words!" CreationDate="2018-07-29T11:15:50.707" UserId="72288" />
  <row Id="16874" PostId="3829" Score="0" Text="@MortezaAzad, probably it's what [you](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3827/using-ideas-found-in-mo-and-mse-in-a-paper#comment16827_3829) meant, but I would even strengthen &quot;could be&quot; to &quot;is&quot;!" CreationDate="2018-08-03T17:58:32.930" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="16831" PostId="3831" Score="1" Text="Thank you for your answer. I agree that one has to be careful. I hope/think that most mathematicians will be fair enough to decline co-authorship, when it is not required. (BTW, since I do not have enough experience in publishing papers, I will start with option (3), in order to be fair as much as I can)." CreationDate="2018-07-29T19:13:46.717" UserId="72288" />
  <row Id="16837" PostId="3832" Score="2" Text="Maybe I should add to this *specific* situation that [my edit to this question](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/107989/revisions) was mainly to remove (abstract-algebra) tag. This is one of the [deprecated tags](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3261) and AFAICT there is an ongoing community effort to remove those tags and replace them with more suitable ones. In this case (abstract-algebra) was the only tag on the question. A [recommendation from a moderator](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243?m=39312718#39312718) was to retag questions which do not have other suitable tags first." CreationDate="2018-07-31T07:15:45.937" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16839" PostId="3832" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak how does it make any difference for closed questions..." CreationDate="2018-07-31T09:36:05.150" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16840" PostId="3832" Score="0" Text="Since your question seems to be about closed questions in general (and also I did not want to leave too many comments here), I have wrote something about this specific situation in chat: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2018/7/31." CreationDate="2018-07-31T10:32:09.387" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16841" PostId="3832" Score="0" Text="In any case, +1 from me - since I think that question whether and another which circumstances edits to closed/old questions can be useful is a valid question. (If I had to guess, the downvotes are most likely related to suggestion to let *only the OP* edit such question. But it would definitely be better if the downvoter(s) mentioned in a comment what exactly was the reason for their downvote.)" CreationDate="2018-07-31T12:55:57.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16842" PostId="3833" Score="0" Text="It is very big so can not reply for every statement.. you said “I think having questions correctly tagged is useful”.. if the question itself is not useful, what is the point of editing it by some one else other than OP..." CreationDate="2018-07-31T13:29:28.777" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16843" PostId="3833" Score="0" Text="@PraphullaKoushik As I explained, in this specific case it was mainly to help in removal of a deprecated tag. (As mentioned before, I have left a few more comments on this specific instance [in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2018/7/31/).) And edits only by OP could cause problem in tag removals in general. Also, the question was closed, but still MO users considered it useful enough to leave it on the site rather than deleting it." CreationDate="2018-07-31T13:32:01.707" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16844" PostId="3833" Score="0" Text="Tag removal is fine for me.. (I said otherwise before and change my statement now)... not the body of the question... I saw that chat.." CreationDate="2018-07-31T13:33:32.200" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16845" PostId="3833" Score="1" Text="@PraphullaKoushik I have edited my answer to clarify that I was responding to the previous version to the question. Since you have added to your post the thing with 2^sqrt(2) - since the question was bumped anyway, I did not really see much sense in leaving there ascii version of a mathematical formula instead of properly formatted $2^{\sqrt2}$." CreationDate="2018-07-31T15:08:20.753" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16846" PostId="3833" Score="0" Text="Ok.. it’s just my point of view... I have nothing more to say,.." CreationDate="2018-07-31T15:23:49.703" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16851" PostId="3835" Score="13" Text="Just stop using it? What do you want to achieve exactly by &quot;closing&quot; your account?" CreationDate="2018-08-01T04:43:31.907" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16852" PostId="3835" Score="7" Text="I agree with Federico.  Just stop using it.  Your past questions will remain.  If your account is deleted, your past questions will not be identified by &quot;Sylvain JULIEN&quot;, but by some numbered name like &quot;user5420741&quot;." CreationDate="2018-08-01T12:48:05.623" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="16853" PostId="3835" Score="3" Text="The both of you are right. And not deleting my account will prevent users whose questions I upvoted to lose reputation. It's time for me to dedicate my time to something else. Thanks to all." CreationDate="2018-08-01T13:42:43.633" UserId="13625" />
  <row Id="16868" PostId="3835" Score="4" Text="thank _you_ for your contributions to our community, Sylvain --- here's hoping we can welcome you back one day!" CreationDate="2018-08-02T05:52:09.337" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16848" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="Ok. Let's do so then." CreationDate="2018-07-31T22:02:47.390" UserId="13625" />
  <row Id="16849" PostId="3836" Score="7" Text="Sylvain, you'll have to do this yourself. Instructions are here: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5999/how-can-i-delete-my-account I'm sorry that you feel MathOverflow didn't work out for you." CreationDate="2018-07-31T22:22:28.153" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16850" PostId="3836" Score="8" Text="It should be noted that any negatively scored post will be deleted. This amounts to 7 answers and some 26 questions, by my count (which is probably wrong)." CreationDate="2018-07-31T23:33:40.983" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16854" PostId="3837" Score="2" Text="Constantinas Daskalakis (sp?) Is the Nevanlinna prize winner, and David Donoho for Gauss prize. When I get to see the names for Leelavati and Chern winners, I will post them.  Gerhard &quot;Sincere Congratulations To Them All&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.01." CreationDate="2018-08-01T16:26:26.087" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16861" PostId="3837" Score="1" Text="Masaki Kashiwara for Chern prize.  Gerhard &quot;Finally Seeing The Laudatio Lectures&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.01." CreationDate="2018-08-01T20:00:06.927" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16863" PostId="3837" Score="0" Text="Ali Nesin for Leelavati. Gerhard &quot;That's The List For Today&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.01." CreationDate="2018-08-01T20:21:13.157" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16866" PostId="3838" Score="1" Text="Perhaps it is worth mentioning that there are also some other &quot;symplectic&quot; tags: &#xA;([tag:symplectic-topology]), &#xA;([tag:holomorphic-symplectic]) and&#xA;([tag:symplectic-group])." CreationDate="2018-08-02T01:12:23.220" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16867" PostId="3838" Score="1" Text="It seems that the tag with this name was created and removed [at least once before](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2018/8/2). But I haven't found a discussion about this tag on meta." CreationDate="2018-08-02T01:15:47.190" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16924" PostId="3838" Score="1" Text="Although nobody posted an answer, I'd think that 12 upvotes show sufficient support of your proposal. So perhaps you could retag the single remaining question with this tag (which would then [lead to the removal of the tag](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/844/how-do-i-delete-an-accidentally-created-tag))." CreationDate="2018-08-12T05:06:54.187" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16926" PostId="3838" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: Done." CreationDate="2018-08-12T07:43:08.990" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="16875" PostId="3842" Score="5" Text="Videos are not an area in mathematics -- so this would be a meta-tag like reference-request. As I understand, the number of meta-tags should be limited." CreationDate="2018-08-04T16:09:27.327" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16899" PostId="3842" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Would you be willing to expand your comment a bit and post it as an answer? I think that if there is an answer there is more chance to get some feedback from other users. (If nothing else, at least users can upvote/downvote and the answer is definitely more visible than a comment. Of course, the same goes for the other question of mine where you recently commented.) In any case, thanks for the comment - and, possibly, thanks in advance for the answer." CreationDate="2018-08-09T07:26:50.107" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16901" PostId="3842" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl I have posted a CW answer summarizing your two comments. I hope I understood them correctly - if not, feel free to edit the answer." CreationDate="2018-08-09T09:30:56.583" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16879" PostId="3844" Score="7" Text="As 'proofs' is kind of a meta tag which is not used so frequently that its removal would be impractical, I'd suggest to remove that tag." CreationDate="2018-08-07T13:39:21.760" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16884" PostId="3845" Score="8" Text="I would guess that Joël is more interested in high quality participation rather than just &quot;more people&quot;.   Like him, I am unconvinced that Facebook and Twitter are the places to go to for this." CreationDate="2018-08-08T22:07:14.327" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="16885" PostId="3845" Score="4" Text="I am at Rio  promoting MathOverflow, looking for more quality questions and the people to ask them.  I am of the belief that we need more in this community.  I think having the link does not invite all of the Facebook, Twitter, and other communities to join this forum.  I think it is a tool to allow community members to do selective promotion.  If Joel does not want to use it, that is his choice.  But why take this tool away from me?  Gerhard &quot;No, We Don't Have Enough&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.08." CreationDate="2018-08-09T00:43:24.207" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16886" PostId="3846" Score="8" Text="[&quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians.&quot;](https://mathoverflow.net/tour) I don't see &quot;and aspiring&quot; there." CreationDate="2018-08-09T01:16:05.007" UserDisplayName="user86028" />
  <row Id="16887" PostId="3846" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, but I don't think this fosters an environment which encourages more people to become interested in math, which I think is holistically more important than exclusively helping those who already &quot;know&quot; the subject. @user86028" CreationDate="2018-08-09T01:26:26.680" UserId="98896" />
  <row Id="16891" PostId="3846" Score="14" Text="Sure. And combating climate change is even more important than that. It's just not what _this_ site is for." CreationDate="2018-08-09T02:16:47.477" UserDisplayName="user86028" />
  <row Id="16892" PostId="3846" Score="0" Text="Yes, I understand; climate change is indeed far more important. I just wanted to understand the intentions of this site besides the usual &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians.&quot; It just seems like the site is inundated with a little too much pedantry which makes it inaccessible to those lacking expertise. But I understand your point. Did you down vote this by any chance? @user86028" CreationDate="2018-08-09T02:37:09.037" UserId="98896" />
  <row Id="16893" PostId="3846" Score="2" Text="If it helps, you can find links to some basic information about the question ban in the [corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/post-ban/info)," CreationDate="2018-08-09T05:06:59.133" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16895" PostId="3846" Score="6" Text="I also think that crossposting everything on math.se helped gather some downvotes (not by me)" CreationDate="2018-08-09T06:35:16.877" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="16904" PostId="3846" Score="0" Text="Just out of curiosity, I wonder why this is being down voted? It seems like everything I post is always immediately down voted without explanation. @ThomasRot" CreationDate="2018-08-09T16:04:56.733" UserId="98896" />
  <row Id="16909" PostId="3846" Score="5" Text="In Meta, up and down votes have a different meaning.  Here, upvote means &quot;I agree&quot; and downvote means &quot;I disagree&quot;." CreationDate="2018-08-10T10:17:18.610" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="16916" PostId="3846" Score="5" Text="@Multivariablecalculus You are right that mathoverflow is relatively inaccessible to those lacking expertise. But this is not in itself a bad thing: not all Q/A forums should be aimed at everyone. It might help to turn things around: would you object to a site dedicated to helping students with questions about elementary calculus disallowing questions about multivariate complex analysis? I hope not: obviously multivariate complex analysis isn't within the intended scope of that hypothetical site, even though there is a connection between it and elementary calculus." CreationDate="2018-08-11T18:05:30.017" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="16917" PostId="3846" Score="4" Text="Incidentally, let me echo Gerald Edgar's comment that downvotes on meta indicate disagreement (and I've downvoted for that reason), not perceived poor quality. In this case, what I disagree with is the assumption that the purpose of Mathoverflow needs to include encouraging interest in mathematics; while that's a noble purpose, it's simply not this site's purpose. (cont'd)" CreationDate="2018-08-11T18:05:32.217" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="16918" PostId="3846" Score="2" Text="Now obviously your questions are much higher level than elementary calculus, and I hope I don't come across as implying that they are (or that you should feel bad for asking them). I just want to emphasize the appropriateness of a site deciding its own purpose/focus/etc." CreationDate="2018-08-11T18:08:22.227" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="16919" PostId="3846" Score="1" Text="Thanks for clearing that up! @NoahSchweber" CreationDate="2018-08-11T18:25:52.673" UserId="98896" />
  <row Id="16890" PostId="3847" Score="0" Text="Thanks so much @ToddTrimble. I was not aware that software was behind the block." CreationDate="2018-08-09T01:59:29.573" UserId="98896" />
  <row Id="16894" PostId="3847" Score="5" Text="*No moderator or human agent in the employ of StackExchange can press a button to undo this software action* --- That must be false. They write the software, they can implement whatever they want in it." CreationDate="2018-08-09T06:30:50.433" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16902" PostId="3847" Score="5" Text="@FedericoPoloni That's why I qualified the statement." CreationDate="2018-08-09T10:14:23.827" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16889" PostId="3848" Score="3" Text="Now I see Todd's answer as well.  My guess now is the system 'thinks you are a help vampire'.  I would suggest now editing your existing questions (especially the ones that are closed and have the most downvotes) and then ask for help in getting them reconsidered.  One improvement would be to acknowledge the helpful comments and report how this helped you progress, but be clear on what you still need to have a good answer. If this proves challenging, ask on meta for suggestions.  Gerhard &quot;Eating Garlic Is Sometimes Recommended&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.08." CreationDate="2018-08-09T01:59:22.690" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16896" PostId="3849" Score="3" Text="See also: [What outgoing migration paths should we have?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/141) You can find a few related discussions among the posts [linked there](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/141) and among other questions tagged ([meta-tag:migration])." CreationDate="2018-08-09T06:37:28.503" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16897" PostId="3849" Score="1" Text="I'll add that [History of Science and Mathematics](https://hsm.stackexchange.com/) is out of question, since migration paths to beta sites are not allowed. It is possible to have at most four migration past, five if you also count meta. Other than meta, currently [Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/) and [Cross Validated](https://stats.stackexchange.com/) are offered in that dialog." CreationDate="2018-08-09T06:43:13.857" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16898" PostId="3849" Score="1" Text="Since you have mentioned some sites related to computer science, I'll add some previous discussions about those: [Option to migrate to CS Theory](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/572) and [Migration of questions to cs.SE?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2984) Of course, things might have changed since that. Perhaps somebody with sufficient reputation can check [the migration stats](https://mathoverflow.net/tools?tab=migrated) for the sites you mentioned." CreationDate="2018-08-09T06:49:40.703" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16903" PostId="3849" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak: According to the migration statistics, in the last 90 days, 39 questions have been migrated to math.se, six to stats.se, two to scicomp.se and one each to mo-meta, to dsp.se and to hsm.se. This suggests that migration to targets other than math.se and stats.se happens pretty rarely, and can well be done via flags for moderator attention." CreationDate="2018-08-09T12:26:10.930" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16905" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="I'm seeing it now.  Of course, I am in Brazil and may be looking at a Brazilian copy.  Gerhard &quot;Looks Like The Original Though&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.09." CreationDate="2018-08-09T18:53:28.893" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16906" PostId="3851" Score="3" Text="I can see it..." CreationDate="2018-08-09T19:03:28.880" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16907" PostId="3851" Score="5" Text="There is a post on Meta Stack Exchange: [Is stack.imgur currently down?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/313779) From the answers it seems that at the moment the images work for some users and don't work for others." CreationDate="2018-08-09T19:18:48.783" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16908" PostId="3851" Score="1" Text="Do you use ad-blocking extensions? This could be due to an overzealous Privacy Badger, for instance." CreationDate="2018-08-10T00:25:10.467" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16910" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="I now see it *is* a &quot;local problem&quot;: I'm at a conference, and the university's unsecured guest wireless account disallows certain transactions that eduroam permits." CreationDate="2018-08-10T18:14:10.653" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="16915" PostId="3851" Score="1" Text="Joseph, there was a problem with the servers for a little while. It affected the entire network (people who use a custom profile picture (as opposed to Gravatar/Facebook/etc.) had their picture disappear for a short while). Any residual issues are due to caching, or as the old saying goes, [you should blame caching.](http://shouldiblamecaching.com/) In any case, this certainly not about connection security (unless you happened to be on a very oddly configured network exactly during the downtime, in which case it would have been both issues)." CreationDate="2018-08-11T08:23:23.463" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16911" PostId="3853" Score="13" Text="Hi Mike. I was the one who made it CW (and actually, it's only site mods who can do that to a question, ever since the move to the SE network). If there is some consensus that this was a mistake, then I am happy to remove the CW status. My own feeling though was that, even if you only wanted a single example, the effect of the question would likely be to generate a bunch of very different answers, none arguably definitive over or more authoritative than the others, and that to my understanding is a situation which has historically garnered CW status." CreationDate="2018-08-10T19:07:30.993" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16912" PostId="3853" Score="11" Text="I think that the question you refer to is of &quot;big-list&quot; type, regardless of details of the formulation.  -- The only sensible answers to the question are examples of where incorrect notation has led to mistaken proofs -- a negative answer cannot possibly be given. -- Hence I agree with Todd Trimble that the question should be CW." CreationDate="2018-08-10T19:18:30.127" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16913" PostId="3853" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble Thanks for clarifying!  But I still disagree.  I think there are lots of questions that generate multiple answers without one being more definitive or authoritative, such as questions asking &quot;why is X the way it is&quot; or &quot;give me some intuition for Y&quot;, none of which is CW.  Can you point to some documented explanation or discussion of the principle you refer to for assigning CW status?" CreationDate="2018-08-10T20:03:09.017" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="16914" PostId="3853" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl I don't see what the impossibility of a negative answer has to do with CW status.  Many other non-CW questions cannot be given a negative answer, e.g. &quot;why is it true that X?&quot;" CreationDate="2018-08-10T20:03:55.250" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="16920" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="Mike, there have been a lot of discussions about CW and how MathOverflow regards it (idiosyncratically, from the perspective of what SE designers seem to have in mind) -- those discussions go back to the days of 'tea' discussions, before the merger with the SE network. There are a *lot* of gray areas here and there is no official stated policy. It sure looks (or quacks) like, to me, that the initial response of the community was to treat it like big-list, but maybe the community has misunderstood what you were after (cf. your explanatory edit). I've asked my fellow moderators to have a look..." CreationDate="2018-08-11T22:24:24.280" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16921" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  I haven't put much time into following all the backs and forths of the &quot;tea/meta&quot; discussions myself, and I expect the same is true for many users (not to mention newcomers), so a stated policy on issues like this would be extremely helpful, not just in giving guidance to users on what to do and what to expect, but in preventing misunderstandings and bad feelings." CreationDate="2018-08-12T04:01:19.600" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="16922" PostId="3853" Score="4" Text="(forgot to notify @ToddTrimble) I must admit I feel kind of uncomfortable even raising this issue, because asking my question to not be CW could easily be interpreted as my being greedy for reputation.  For me it's more an issue of principle (I don't really need any more rep) and wanting good *answers* to be worth reputation (in hopes of inspiring some better answers); but when it feels politically uncomfortable to ask a question that's another situation when a clearly stated policy is a good idea." CreationDate="2018-08-12T04:04:01.333" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="16923" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="Mike, I completely understand, and you're raising a good general point. Thanks for speaking up here (in spite of discomfort, also completely understandable). Will try to get back to you soon." CreationDate="2018-08-12T04:51:28.987" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16925" PostId="3853" Score="2" Text="Since @ToddTrimble explicitly mentioned that here on MO community wiki is used differently (mainly preventing reputation gain) from the purpose for which it was designed (lowering the threshold for editing, making the post &quot;owned&quot; by the community), I will add a link to an older discussion about this: [Community Wiki in the hands of moderators](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/448). (Mainly quid's answer and comments under this post.) I also left [a few comments in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/big-lists-and-community-wiki)." CreationDate="2018-08-12T05:49:34.627" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16928" PostId="3853" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks for the links.  There is a link there to the stackexchange blog post https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/08/19/the-future-of-community-wiki/ whose conclusion seems to be that questions (as opposed to answers) should rarely, if ever, be CW: if a question is a &quot;real question&quot; and on-topic for the site, then it doesn't need to be CW, and otherwise it shouldn't be asked in the first place." CreationDate="2018-08-12T21:46:01.503" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="16930" PostId="3853" Score="1" Text="As I understand, part of the reason why big-list and soft questions are usually made CW on MO is that one wants to avoid that asking and answering popular soft questions becomes the by far easiest way to quickly and easily gather a lot of points." CreationDate="2018-08-13T13:45:23.710" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16931" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks for the explanation - I think I can see why that might be a concern, at least hypothetically (wanting high reputation on MO to reflect actual expertise at real mathematics).  But couldn't we soften the policy a little while still solving that problem?  Maybe allow users who are already above a certain reputation level to ask non-CW soft questions?  Or allow each user a small number of non-CW soft questions, like one per month?" CreationDate="2018-08-13T14:31:12.190" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="16932" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="To ease the moderator burden we could require authors of such questions to explicitly request non-CW when they ask the question, or afterwards on a meta thread.  If such a policy is clearly documented and adhere to, I don't think it would be a problem." CreationDate="2018-08-13T14:31:50.090" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="16948" PostId="3853" Score="1" Text="@MikeShulman something similar has happened with [one of my questions](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/218192/current-research-in-numeric-mathematics); but as I never understood and still don't understand the criteria for the CW flag, I accepted the moderator's decision. I guess that the CW flag can't be based on checkable conditions and is, similar to art (and something else), a &quot;I know it when I see it&quot; case." CreationDate="2018-08-17T06:56:24.430" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="16969" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I had a similar experience recently that I didn't question for fear of looking greedy (https://mathoverflow.net/questions/302486/category-theory-for-a-set-model-theorist) -- is it standard fare for reference requests to be made CW in this situation? I don't mind if that's the case, it just hadn't been my impression prior to the conversion." CreationDate="2018-08-19T18:33:42.590" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="16971" PostId="3853" Score="2" Text="@AlecRhea Where there is likely to be a slew of texts that answer the question, there's a good chance it will be made CW." CreationDate="2018-08-19T21:50:16.743" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16972" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Got it, much appreciated." CreationDate="2018-08-19T22:09:10.607" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="16927" PostId="3854" Score="0" Text="Here is also a brief conversation in chat: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/7/2 - although I do not think that something not already covered in the answer can be found there." CreationDate="2018-08-12T10:10:39.963" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16929" PostId="3855" Score="0" Text="Thanks to rene for his [improvements of the first query](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/1223/2018/8/12)." CreationDate="2018-08-13T06:14:29.217" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16947" PostId="3857" Score="1" Text="BTW it is possible to make tags &quot;clickable&quot; using the syntax `[tag:tagname]`. For example, `[tag:slick-proof]` gives a link to [tag:slick-proof]. (This might be possibly useful if other users want to check the tags you mention in your post - they are just one click away.)" CreationDate="2018-08-16T16:08:30.783" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16980" PostId="3857" Score="0" Text="I have accepted your answer. (The question is two weeks old - so I do not expect much more input on this question to come. And the voting suggests that users who decided to vote here agree with your proposal.) The question is what to do next: Whether simply to start manual retagging or whether to ask the moderators first what to do next. (Or we could simply wait a bit longer?)" CreationDate="2018-08-21T10:18:24.977" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16981" PostId="3857" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Since there weren't that many, and there seemed to be no objections, I just manually removed the proofs tags from those 8 questions.  I presume this falls in the spirit of community moderation, but if there are complaints (e.g., from moderators) I can undo this." CreationDate="2018-08-21T14:29:15.703" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="16940" PostId="3858" Score="0" Text="In general, you can write moderators@mathoverflow.net. In this case, I am almost certain you are referring to an action recently performed by me: if you don't have my personal email, I may be able to write you, with your permission, and you can tell me what's up. (Although, I don't encourage general users to reach me this way.)" CreationDate="2018-08-16T11:40:46.723" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16941" PostId="3858" Score="0" Text="Martin Sleziak pointed out another possibility which honestly hadn't occurred to me (probably because I usually avoid chat rooms): I can open up a private chat room for us to discuss what's on your mind. Maybe I'll try that." CreationDate="2018-08-16T11:51:07.190" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16942" PostId="3858" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble i have nothing serious to ask.. I just wanted to say thanks for your action and wanted to ask if it is deleted permanently... Main reason is about my recent flag but in general also I want to ask if there is any way... How do I know that the same one who responded for my flag would respond to mail I have send to moderators@mathiverflow.com you do have a list who has responded to which flag???" CreationDate="2018-08-16T11:53:13.073" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16943" PostId="3858" Score="1" Text="With regard to the action, let's talk privately. But in general, it's easy for us moderators to determine who did what. Of course there is no guarantee that a moderator will respond in email." CreationDate="2018-08-16T11:57:20.427" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16946" PostId="3858" Score="0" Text="&quot;it's easy for us moderators to determine who did what.&quot; That would be great +1.. For every one else who is wondering if there is any problem with flag I raised, I want to say clearly that **there is no problem at all**.. :-) This question was just out of **curiosity to know how flags work**... **Nothing serious at all**..." CreationDate="2018-08-16T13:19:10.750" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16945" PostId="3859" Score="0" Text="This more or less answers my question... :-)" CreationDate="2018-08-16T13:16:42.677" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16949" PostId="3860" Score="15" Text="a quick look indicates these are &quot;maintenance&quot; revisions (removing obsolete tags, fixing broken links); I would say this kind of participation is not only acceptable but commendable; editing improves the quality and consistency of the archival content. The &quot;bumping&quot; to the front page may not be necessary, but that is a feature of the SE software that should not be held against the editor." CreationDate="2018-08-17T15:01:28.940" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="16950" PostId="3860" Score="0" Text="@CarloBeenakker Let me see what other has to say on this." CreationDate="2018-08-17T15:12:30.467" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16951" PostId="3860" Score="2" Text="Just to clarify the question: Am I right in guessing that the numbers in your question (such as &quot;Today 6&quot;, &quot;1 day ago 7&quot;) are numbers of edits (revisions) by a specific user in a single day?" CreationDate="2018-08-17T15:46:22.207" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16952" PostId="3860" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak yes.." CreationDate="2018-08-17T15:49:35.113" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16953" PostId="3860" Score="11" Text="In my opinion, such maintenance edits to improve the quality of old posts should always be welcomed. The number of bumps to the front page is not much of an issue if you watch particular tags, or if you only look at new questions and then 'favorite' those you want to keep track of. -- Looking at the 'active' tab on the page with all questions is anyway only something for people who do not mind watching a really busy list." CreationDate="2018-08-17T16:24:39.153" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16954" PostId="3860" Score="0" Text="Can someone clarify how many of them are “maintenance” edits? I do not see how much difference it makes.. @StefanKohl I don’t wish to restrict my attention to some tags only.. I feel little uncomfortable to see almost every question is edited for no serious reason.." CreationDate="2018-08-17T17:32:58.240" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16957" PostId="3860" Score="0" Text="Just out of curiosity, you got a number of edits (for a specific day) mentioned to your post by manual counting, or can those numbers be found somewhere on the site? (The only thing I was able to do was to [use SEDE to count them](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/888205/edits-by-a-specific-user-per-day?userid=8250),)" CreationDate="2018-08-18T04:32:11.683" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16958" PostId="3860" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Manual counting.." CreationDate="2018-08-18T05:42:36.673" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17011" PostId="3860" Score="3" Text="It seems both rude and inappropriate to me to post a Meta question personally calling out another user whose usage of MO you dislike. It seems *hypocritical* after having asked a question within the past two weeks about whether your own usage of MO is acceptable, and got a response to the effect of &quot;it takes all kinds&quot;." CreationDate="2018-08-25T16:43:22.393" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="17012" PostId="3860" Score="0" Text="Issue is closed. See comments in answer.  @MikeMiller I do not wish to extend the discussion further.." CreationDate="2018-08-25T17:06:43.837" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16955" PostId="3861" Score="8" Text="More than once, I have complained here, or on m.se, about one user or another going on an editing spree. I have never seen any reason to complain about Martin's work." CreationDate="2018-08-18T01:27:30.837" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16956" PostId="3861" Score="0" Text="“as a consequence, my edits will annoy less users around here.” Ok." CreationDate="2018-08-18T04:16:23.580" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16967" PostId="3861" Score="0" Text="Thanks to rene for [help with the SEDE queries](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/1223/2018/8/19)." CreationDate="2018-08-19T09:41:53.127" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17043" PostId="3861" Score="0" Text="I have mentioned a few SEDE queries with various data concerning editing - here is one more, which user with more edits pre day for each individual day: [Top editors per day](http://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/893694/top-editors-per-day)." CreationDate="2018-09-02T13:13:04.013" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17130" PostId="3861" Score="0" Text="@Martin, so, I was the leading editor on about half-a-dozen occasions. Cool. What does it mean when the &quot;User link&quot; box is empty? Someone who has been removed from the system?" CreationDate="2018-09-16T01:31:00.940" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17131" PostId="3861" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson Most likely a deleted account. Here is a version of the query [which includes UserDisplayName](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/898653/top-editors-per-day), which should be available in such cases." CreationDate="2018-09-16T05:30:16.813" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17439" PostId="3861" Score="0" Text="And since we are playing with SEDE, it might be interesting to check also number of days when a user was the most active editor: [How often is somebody the top editor?](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/913833/how-often-is-somebody-the-top-editor)" CreationDate="2018-10-20T06:19:55.763" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16959" PostId="3862" Score="2" Text="I forgot to mention that often questions about history have been put up as CW candidates, as it can be very hard ascertaining an answer that seems definitive, but that seems much touchier ground to me, so I didn't mention it." CreationDate="2018-08-18T21:51:05.683" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16960" PostId="3862" Score="1" Text="Also: this is more a comment, but it's just a fact that the issue of reputation can be a slight embarrassment, as has been said very often in varying degrees of strength. Some notable users find them childish and refuse to associate themselves with points, answering only in comments, such is their distaste. Some would love to give their badges away. Yet others forthrightly declare they enjoy the little ego strokes of rep points and that this is a motivating factor. Still others seem to take the points way too seriously (to my taste, anyway!). The various sides may war within the same soul." CreationDate="2018-08-18T21:59:23.813" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16961" PostId="3862" Score="0" Text="You've confused me, Todd – did you *forget* to mention questions of history etc., etc., or did you *decide* not to mention it because it seems touchier ground? It can't be both." CreationDate="2018-08-18T22:11:08.507" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="16962" PostId="3862" Score="3" Text="@GerryMyerson You're right: that was confusing. I had considered in the course of composing this answer mentioning it as one class of historical examples, but then that slipped my mind. After the fact and upon reflection, I decided that it was just as well -- for one thing, I don't think that type of question has been much wiki-hammered as of late, and for another it seems inherently more delicate ground with respect to wiki-hammering." CreationDate="2018-08-18T23:19:11.217" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16963" PostId="3862" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the explanation!  I still respectfully disagree that my question is big-list.  I have a clear criterion for a correct answer; I am asking for a single example of an X, not a big list of all X's (and so far no real X's have been given).  In general we leave the criterion of correctness up to the question author through the discretion to accept, allowing the community a lesser say through votes; and I don't see why this question should be different.  Other questions asking for examples are not CW, despite that many answers are possible; we let the author choose the answer they prefer." CreationDate="2018-08-19T03:39:01.440" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="16964" PostId="3862" Score="0" Text="I would be interested to hear from the other moderators (by private email if preferred) their reasoning for why they think my question is a big-list." CreationDate="2018-08-19T03:39:43.217" UserId="49" />
  <row Id="16973" PostId="3862" Score="0" Text="One problem with different handling of CW on MO than in SE network might be that users familiar with the way CW works on other sites might think that they can edit those posts more freely than ordinary post - while it is possible that some posts on MO were made CW mainly as reputation-avoidance tool - as described in this answer - and without any intent to make the post &quot;owned&quot; by community." CreationDate="2018-08-19T23:31:12.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16974" PostId="3862" Score="1" Text="To add some context to the previous comment, here is a quote from [FAQ on community wiki](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/11740): &quot;Community Wiki posts work by partly transferring ownership of the post from the original author to the community. They make the post easier to edit and maintain by a wider group of users, but they do not contribute to any user's reputation.&quot; Community-wiki posts can be edited by [users with 100 reputation points](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/edit-community-wiki) (without going through any review queue)." CreationDate="2018-08-19T23:31:17.867" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16975" PostId="3862" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you. To the best of my knowledge, this has not been a problem in any practical sense -- not yet, anyway." CreationDate="2018-08-20T02:43:31.580" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16977" PostId="3862" Score="1" Text="For what interest it may have, here is another proposed way to use CW, from the very early days of MO: http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/8/are-open-questions-acceptable-how-should-they-be-treated/ It was applied here: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/17560/if-2x-and-3x-are-integers-must-x-be-as-well" CreationDate="2018-08-20T23:43:58.367" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17381" PostId="3862" Score="0" Text="Perhaps link to this answer or some other links mentioned here could be added to the [community-wiki tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-wiki/info). (I have suggested this [also in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/46296905#46296905).) As it is user editable, a tag-info on meta might be a reasonable place where to collect information related to some topic (if a corresponding tag exists)." CreationDate="2018-10-14T02:21:03.450" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17952" PostId="3862" Score="0" Text="I have [edited the communiti-wiki tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/1720/revisions) (as suggested above) to include at least some information about this type of usage and links to some relevant threads. Although the edit was approved by two users, it would probably be good if some experienced users (especially moderators) could have a look at the current wording and edit it further to a better shape." CreationDate="2018-12-16T12:05:52.237" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16968" PostId="3863" Score="0" Text="I do not enjoy editing some one else’s question or answer.. I will flag.." CreationDate="2018-08-19T13:28:29.830" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16985" PostId="3866" Score="4" Text="There are not many ways how regular users can evaluate which moderators do most of work. (Mods have access to stats such as average flag-handling time or how many flags where handled by each moderator - which might be quite good way to see whether the current moderator team suffices for the site's needs.) I hope we'll here from moderators how they see the issue." CreationDate="2018-08-24T07:32:46.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16986" PostId="3866" Score="3" Text="From the link in your post I see that you have used participation on meta as a measure of activity - which seems reasonable to me, it is related to moderating and it is publicly displayed, so it is something even regular users can check. I have listed a bit more detailed stats [in MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/8/24)." CreationDate="2018-08-24T07:33:15.527" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16987" PostId="3866" Score="3" Text="BTW in the past there was a complaint about the wording - namely the word *periodically*. See here: [Disinformation on moderator elections](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/297488). (This was probably a follow-up on Mathematics Meta discussion: [Have there been no moderator elections since December 2014?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/26536))" CreationDate="2018-08-24T07:36:54.190" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16988" PostId="3866" Score="4" Text="You seem to conflate activity on meta with being an active moderator. And whether or not some of the moderators are more and less active, is a good question, but it's not the same as pointing out to the activity on meta on &quot;the public front&quot;." CreationDate="2018-08-24T08:45:24.783" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="16989" PostId="3866" Score="3" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks, I didn't know about that discussion. Anyway, no amount of grammar lawyering can stop me from thinking that using the word &quot;periodically&quot; for &quot;it happened once in 8 years and there isn't a second one planned&quot; is confusing and should be changed." CreationDate="2018-08-24T09:28:32.870" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16990" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I have edited the question to make it clearer that activity on meta does not equal activity as moderator." CreationDate="2018-08-24T10:04:14.437" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16991" PostId="3866" Score="7" Text="Setting all statistics aside, however interesting they might be, I'd expect new election in situations when either: 1) The current mods feel overwhelmed by the amount of work and need new additional moderators to help out. Or: 2) If the MO community is, for some reason, not satisfied with the work of moderator's team." CreationDate="2018-08-24T11:27:46.193" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="16992" PostId="3866" Score="4" Text="Independent of comparisons of recent activity of particular people -- in most cases,&#xA;people elected for a public office serve a certain term of office, after which new elections&#xA;are being held. -- Why should moderators on MathOverflow be an exception to this?" CreationDate="2018-08-24T15:42:34.597" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="16993" PostId="3866" Score="7" Text="François and I were elected in 2010, but not using the special StackExchange election infrastructure.  If you have over 10k points, you can see the (now deleted) June 2010 moderator election page here: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/28198/moderator-election-vote-here" CreationDate="2018-08-24T17:38:57.783" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="16994" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan Thanks! Why is that question deleted, if I may ask?" CreationDate="2018-08-24T17:42:24.420" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16995" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="Federico, possibly partly because of a lot of noise appearing below Harry Gindi's name, for one thing. (It was a long time ago and there was some worry about Harry's name becoming stigmatized, just as he was/is embarking on a career.)" CreationDate="2018-08-24T17:58:11.823" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="16996" PostId="3866" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl &quot;On all Stack Exchange sites, elected moderators serve until 1) they resign, or 2) Stack Exchange decides that they are not worthy of the position, or 3) their inactivity level reaches some critical point, or 4) a moderator action review process results in a decision to remove them&quot;... This is from https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26536/have-there-been-no-moderator-elections-since-december-2014..." CreationDate="2018-08-24T18:00:00.263" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="16997" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="Federico, the other reason it was deleted was to maintain the sanctity of the badge count.  Anton Geraschenko created the questions and answers, so he received some badges due to the votes on peoples names.  After the question was deleted, the extra badges were removed." CreationDate="2018-08-24T18:12:41.520" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="16998" PostId="3866" Score="7" Text="One difference (I'm guessing) between this forum and the other Stackexchange forums is that there is an LLC staffed by many of the moderators for the continued support of this forum.  Before an election is considered, the relationship between this corporation and the moderation team should be clarified.  In particular, will a new moderator be expected to participate in the corporation duties?  Gerhard &quot;There Are Wheels Within Wheels&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.24." CreationDate="2018-08-24T18:29:52.017" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="16999" PostId="3866" Score="3" Text="@S.Carnahan Neither reason for deleting it seems very compelling, I must say. I suggest to undelete it, move it to Meta where it belongs (so that the badges will become badges on Meta, which are even more worthless than those on the main site) and delete the answer mentioning Harry Gindi." CreationDate="2018-08-24T19:17:58.140" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17003" PostId="3866" Score="3" Text="By the way, congratulations to Scott Morrison on becoming Australia's PM.  Gerhard &quot;Scott Must Be Very Busy&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.24." CreationDate="2018-08-24T21:55:13.447" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17004" PostId="3866" Score="3" Text="&quot;...the sanctity of the badge count&quot; !!!" CreationDate="2018-08-24T22:27:44.000" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17005" PostId="3866" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson I suppose I could have chosen better words.  I do not take badges particularly seriously, but Timothy Gowers's comment on one of the answers on the page in question suggests that there are people who do, and I see no reason to invalidate their views." CreationDate="2018-08-25T04:51:00.667" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="17006" PostId="3866" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni Unfortunately, it is not within my power to migrate a question this old (without say, going through extraordinary means)." CreationDate="2018-08-25T04:53:41.267" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="17007" PostId="3866" Score="1" Text="@S.Carnahan OK, I understand -- case closed, and sorry for adding this off-topic discussion to these comments." CreationDate="2018-08-25T06:04:26.940" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17014" PostId="3866" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl This discussion on Meta Stack Exchange is related to your question: [Should Community Moderators be “elected for life”, or have terms?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/984)" CreationDate="2018-08-28T13:10:03.603" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17133" PostId="3866" Score="1" Text="Speaking of the sanctity of the badge count, moderators get the [Sheriff](https://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/175/sheriff) badge (and retain it after their service ends) although MO founder Anton Geraschenko for technical reasons has neither the Sheriff nor the [Constable](https://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/174/constable) badge." CreationDate="2018-09-17T05:56:19.080" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="17001" PostId="3867" Score="12" Text="Todd, I wouldn’t want you to scale back the work that you enjoy and that many of us appreciate so much, but it’d be good to see if MO can remain robust in your absence.  So sometime it might be healthy to take a vacation!" CreationDate="2018-08-24T20:34:10.177" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="17002" PostId="3867" Score="2" Text="Thanks, Matt. In view of some reactions I've seen recently, I'm indeed considering explicitly announcing my handing over the rudder of day-to-day activities to my fine colleagues, at least for a while, while I find other ways of serving in a moderator capacity. There are plenty of things that need to be done." CreationDate="2018-08-24T20:51:10.603" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17008" PostId="3867" Score="4" Text="@ToddTrimble I hope this thread of mine is not one of the reasons why you are thinking this. I think you're doing a great job and I have no complaints against the current group of moderators; I was merely worried that we were stressing you out too much with this amount of work." CreationDate="2018-08-25T06:09:34.270" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17009" PostId="3867" Score="3" Text="Federico, please don't worry; if anything, this and what was said in the chatroom helped put my mind at ease. I should clarify that I'm not contemplating quitting as moderator, but maybe following Matt's suggestion for a month or two at main and seeing what happens -- meanwhile attending to sorely neglected matters brought up at meta. &quot;Reactions I've seen recently&quot; refers to a recent uptick in some of my actions being called into question (for reasons other than this thread, yesterday was particularly trying), and thus it might indeed be good backing off and giving other mods more of a crack." CreationDate="2018-08-25T12:16:19.643" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="23985" PostId="3868" Score="2" Text="The room has bee [frozen for inactivity](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/82100/2020/9/6). If there is interest to discuss topics in that room again, any moderator can unfreeze it. (In fact, it can be a moderator from any site, no necessarily MathOverflow moderator. I have mentioned basic advice on unfreezing [also in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/82100/2020/8/22).)" CreationDate="2020-09-07T07:14:18.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17013" PostId="3869" Score="3" Text="I think it depends on whether the answer comes from a diamond or not.  However, holding a poll might work: one answer to vote up for elections, one answer for not elections, and one for undecided/don't care.  Gerhard &quot;Hears Apathy Is Rather Popular&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.26." CreationDate="2018-08-27T05:21:02.470" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17015" PostId="3870" Score="0" Text="Maybe ([meta-tag:design]) tag would be suitable here too? (It was used in Asaf Karagila's question on color scheme: [On the current color scheme, and why it sucks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/115).) I'll just remind that there should be a new theme in the foreseeable future, so probably when that change comes on this site, the developers will communicate more actively with MO users: [Rollout of new network site themes](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/312365)." CreationDate="2018-08-28T17:03:45.600" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17022" PostId="3870" Score="0" Text="Forum math.se already got its new theme, and they have white on black for this button." CreationDate="2018-08-29T13:22:53.857" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="17016" PostId="3871" Score="0" Text="I think Ben Webster says the same thing... :O What is new here?" CreationDate="2018-08-28T17:51:22.033" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17017" PostId="3871" Score="3" Text="Andras is trying the experiment, rather than proposing it.  Gerhard &quot;That's What Is New Here&quot; Paseman, 2018.08.28." CreationDate="2018-08-28T17:53:27.707" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17018" PostId="3871" Score="0" Text="Oh. I understand now..." CreationDate="2018-08-28T18:21:42.163" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17019" PostId="3871" Score="3" Text="Yes, I am doing the experiment, but I also mean it: I am really satisfied with the way how this site is moderated and I am grateful to our moderators for this. How they do it is in the end their business. There are many of us here ready to help if needed." CreationDate="2018-08-28T19:52:04.520" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="17021" PostId="3871" Score="2" Text="As a poll, isn't this biased towards those who spend time on meta, and hence under-representing those for whom &quot;business as usual&quot; is fine? (Declaration of interest: I have upvoted here and I agree with @AndrásBátkai )" CreationDate="2018-08-29T12:13:48.923" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17027" PostId="3873" Score="0" Text="My English is not good.. Please edit this question if you think it can be made better.." CreationDate="2018-09-02T06:43:55.733" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17028" PostId="3873" Score="1" Text="You can find links to some basic info about the community user in the [corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-user/info). It bumps question which have an answer, but no answer has positive score. A related older post on this meta: [Auto-bumping of unanswered questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2999)" CreationDate="2018-09-02T06:51:15.360" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17029" PostId="3873" Score="7" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=is%3Aq+score%3A5+answers%3A0 There are over 5700 questions with score at least 5, and no answers. If all of them are bumped once in two days, there will be no more new content on this site. How does that sound to you?" CreationDate="2018-09-02T06:52:04.163" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17030" PostId="3873" Score="1" Text="This past discussion seems related to the first part of your question: [How to wake up an old question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1110) (With the usual disclaimer that the two sites are different, I will add link to a related discussion on Mathematics Meta: [How to grab users' attention on an old question?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3478))" CreationDate="2018-09-02T06:53:48.693" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17031" PostId="3873" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila It sounds very bad :D :D I would not have asked that question if I knew there are even 1000 such questions..." CreationDate="2018-09-02T06:57:40.733" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17032" PostId="3873" Score="1" Text="BTW the opinion on bumping old questions probably varies a bit among MO users - just compare [this answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/169/whats-our-consensus-on-people-resurrecting-old-questions-just-to-edit-formattin/201#201) which is rather on the opposite end." CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:01:22.970" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17033" PostId="3873" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I see those links but could not come to any conclusion.. As you said opinion varies so much among users here so can not conclude anything.." CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:09:01.447" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17034" PostId="3873" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I saw those questions randomly.. Most of them are **unsolved research problems**... I am not referring to that.. I am saying about questions whose answer is known or that can be answered but answer is not accessible to the one who asked it... Definitely a robot can not differentiate what is research problem.. Then, creating a tag &quot;research problem&quot; can make it little easier... What do you say?" CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:16:47.393" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17035" PostId="3873" Score="1" Text="How do you make the distinction between questions whose answer is known and not accessible? If I can prove a small claim that furthers someone's work, but they have no means of proving it, nor they know that I am the one who can help them. Does asking the question on the site mean what? You seem to miss the point of this website, and the fact that you can't know what questions are &quot;unresolved research problems&quot; until you've exhausted *everything*." CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:19:03.960" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17036" PostId="3873" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I agree that its hard to make distinction between questions whose answer is known and not accessible... I do not completely understand &quot;If I can prove a small claim that furthers someone's work, but they have no means of proving it, nor they know that I am the one who can help them. **Does asking the question on the site mean what?**&quot; this part of your comment... You said &quot;You seem to miss the point of this website&quot; but did not say what is the point of this website.. I would like to know..." CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:26:56.823" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17037" PostId="3873" Score="1" Text="If you want to prove X, and in the process you're stuck with claim Y. Not being your expertise, you have no idea if Y is even true to begin with. You ask Y on this site, and I notice it, perhaps it was something I figured out in passing a few years ago, and never published, maybe I did and you never read the paper, or maybe it's the first time I see it but I immediately recognize the solution. Is this question about Y considered &quot;unsolved research problem&quot;, specifically considering the first and last scenarios?" CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:29:17.097" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17038" PostId="3873" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila If you know the answer and you see it, then you can write the answer.. It is no more &quot;unresolved research problem&quot;... I would like to say again that I understand it is hard to make distinction between questions whose answer is known and not accessible... I am only trying to make the situation better... Do you think adding some more restriction on the content make this question reasonable??" CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:39:05.547" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17039" PostId="3873" Score="3" Text="Yes, but there are 5700 questions fitting your criteria, do you expect that all the users spend the next couple of weeks going over all of them and deciding if those are &quot;unresolved research questions&quot; or &quot;questions whose answers are known&quot;? That's ridiculous. I think that **no bumping for sake of bumping should occur. Period.**" CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:40:26.037" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17040" PostId="3873" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila Did I say it has to be done in **next couple of weeks**?? Or in a couple of months?? I did not say it has to be done immediately.. &quot;Creating a tag and adding those questions to that tag **whenever** we see it&quot; is also one way to address this situation... It can take a long time... It is not that has to be done immediately.. So, it is not that ridiculous..." CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:44:55.773" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17041" PostId="3873" Score="0" Text="You really seem to miss the point of the tagging system. And of this site, I guess." CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:45:48.160" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17042" PostId="3873" Score="0" Text="&quot;You really seem to miss the point of the tagging system.&quot; I would like to know, I am open to understand about this system.. @AsafKaragila" CreationDate="2018-09-02T07:46:35.093" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17044" PostId="3874" Score="2" Text="There are also the cases where the question changes significantly more than once, so the idea of the question becomes a quickly moving target.  I do my best to ignore users who have done that and caused answers and contributed comments to appear less relevant.    Gerhard &quot;Worse Than Attention Seeking Editing&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.02." CreationDate="2018-09-02T14:46:30.733" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17045" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="A very good point, Gerhard, even though that doesn't fall under the umbrella of bumping with small edits." CreationDate="2018-09-02T14:58:32.967" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17046" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="“I do not feel it is decent to make some trivial edit and bump the question..“ I said that I do not want to make any edits.. I fail to understand your first paragraph... I did not propose I will edit, I even said I do not want to edit.. with no edits I want the question to bump in main page..." CreationDate="2018-09-02T15:25:37.670" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17047" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman I could not see how it is relevant here but I also agree that type of edits are a bad practice.." CreationDate="2018-09-02T15:31:05.000" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17048" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="I completely agree with “holding a few blemishes in reserve for a future edit is, one could argue, a form of dishonesty” and “If others feel the same way, than generally speaking, small edits are not going to cut it in this case, and could very easily backfire”..." CreationDate="2018-09-02T15:33:35.920" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17049" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="I will keep in mind your suggestion “Giving background can help a lot. Giving evidence of trying hard to find the answer yourself can help a lot. If knowledgeable people see that you've been knocking your head against a wall for an hour or more without success, and tried hard to ask a question with care (even down to small details), then the chances are much better you'll be lent a sympathetic hand.” Thanks for this..." CreationDate="2018-09-02T15:36:27.653" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17050" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="As Martin has mentioned, this sometimes happens by the system.  Again, there are issues with how often and with how many questions this should be done.  I recommend against making edits lacking substance; new appearances of a question should indicate new and substantial modifications, particularly answers or new formulations relating to the original question.  Gerhard &quot;What Has Posting Done Lately?&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.02." CreationDate="2018-09-02T15:40:34.490" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17051" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="@PraphullaKoushik Your first comment is confusing. First: whom are you quoting? Second: you explicitly asked in your question, &quot;In that case, Is it ok to bump the question by making a trivial edit?&quot; That was your first question I was replying to." CreationDate="2018-09-02T15:41:39.877" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17052" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble My first comment was for you.. I am bad at English so could not convey my idea properly... I did said that “In that case, Is it ok to bump the question by making a trivial edit?” then I said “I do not feel it is decent to make some trivial edit and bump the question”.. I want to say even if something like that is allowed, I do not want to do that.." CreationDate="2018-09-02T15:45:39.833" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17053" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="Well, I still answered your first question in that case, so there you go. If you don't think I should have answered that question, then you shouldn't have asked it." CreationDate="2018-09-02T15:56:06.370" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17054" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Yes, I agree with that..your answer gave an idea of how to ask better question.. Mainly the last paragraph... I have to keep this in mind when writing a paper also..thanks.." CreationDate="2018-09-02T15:59:05.327" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17055" PostId="3875" Score="11" Text="I think in some cases the answer must refer to these resources, especially when history and/or primary sources are involved.  Until we get everything online, I think we should be grateful for any relevant answer, and grateful further for later revisions that give even more accessible sources.  The etiquette should be to give relevant answers, with accessibility a secondary concern.  Those who wish to add commentary to reveal more should be encouraged, but iit should not be required.  Gerhard &quot;Improved Quality Through Continued Effort&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.02." CreationDate="2018-09-03T05:29:31.507" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17056" PostId="3875" Score="9" Text="I think links to multiple sources (eg published version plus arXiv) is preferable to a single link. At the very least, a human-readable reference so that someone can either recognise the paper without having memorised a DOI/arXiv number/random publisher string, and/or track it down with minimal searching if no working links are present. EuDML links are great, and if nothing else is free, the author's website copy is better than nothing. Giving just a 'it's in this book published 50 years ago, on page 57' is very unhelpful, since the answer should be here, not stuck in some physical object." CreationDate="2018-09-03T07:01:40.147" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17057" PostId="3875" Score="0" Text="So, an upvote means YES, such articles are acceptable.  A downvote means NO.  (I am going by the way the title is phrased.)" CreationDate="2018-09-03T12:08:01.153" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="17058" PostId="3875" Score="7" Text="Gerald, I don't think that's how it works unless the OP instructs us to vote that way. The questions deserve more of an articulated response IMO." CreationDate="2018-09-03T12:11:00.080" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17059" PostId="3875" Score="9" Text="Many free links have disadvantage that they might be lost at some point - especially something which is on a personal website. An advantage of doi-link is that it is stable, at least in theory - although it might be paywalled. (Something similar was pointed out in [Asaf Karagila's answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3193/edits-with-links-to-material-under-restricted-access/3195#3195) to [edits with links to material under restricted access](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3193).) ..." CreationDate="2018-09-03T12:50:11.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17060" PostId="3875" Score="1" Text="...I would not be surprised if many of the posts [containing a link to Internet Archive](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3A%22%2Ahttp://web.archive.org%2A%22) were examples of attempts to recover a dead link in some way." CreationDate="2018-09-03T12:50:19.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17084" PostId="3875" Score="2" Text="+1 from me - in the hope that this could help the post to get to score $\ge3$, so that it is displayed in [community bulletin](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/community-bulletin/info) and more MO users notice this discussion" CreationDate="2018-09-04T06:58:44.920" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17118" PostId="3875" Score="2" Text="As long as it's not [just a link](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/225370/147191)" CreationDate="2018-09-08T23:13:43.977" UserId="6395" />
  <row Id="17061" PostId="3876" Score="16" Text="I disagree that a link-only answer is acceptable if the link is readable on the spot. It may be for today, but it could vanish without any notice tomorrow, rendering the answer completely useless. Properly published papers at least don’t suddenly disappear from all libraries." CreationDate="2018-09-03T14:34:32.243" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="17063" PostId="3876" Score="1" Text="Just a brief comment on Google Books (and similar links). I agree that when somebody includes such link, they should be aware that it may be visible only to some people (and in some cases eventually stop working). But even with the limited visibility I consider such link a useful addition. At least those users that can display the linked content can see more of the book - which may be useful both when reading the post and also if they are interested in the book as such. (They can browse at least a part of the text without finding a copy elsewhere.)" CreationDate="2018-09-03T16:37:58.923" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17064" PostId="3876" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I agree with you. I'll probably come back to amend my answer. Thanks." CreationDate="2018-09-03T17:08:09.803" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17065" PostId="3876" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I agree with you too; any such link could be helpful. But a bare link to a Google Book with accompanying discussion in an answer is vulnerable to the type of drawback just mentioned by Emil." CreationDate="2018-09-03T17:10:34.873" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17066" PostId="3876" Score="1" Text="Yes, certainly. The post should be perfectly readable without the link - the link can be considered &quot;a bonus&quot;." CreationDate="2018-09-03T17:26:53.333" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17129" PostId="3876" Score="0" Text="About censorship of Wikipedia see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Wikipedia   (Most of this censorship would not affect math articles in english wikipedia)" CreationDate="2018-09-14T11:38:00.183" UserId="6494" />
  <row Id="17067" PostId="3877" Score="16" Text="Well, I'm not officially in academe, so I guess that makes me an amateur. I also have to make a 30 minute trip to get to a decent university library. I do have ways to get at a pretty large amount of literature, but I'd rather avoid having MO be exclusionary to people in my situation." CreationDate="2018-09-03T17:39:22.407" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17068" PostId="3877" Score="7" Text="By the way, I think the answer you linked to is highly appropriate. You stated the theorem precisely, and gave the link. To me, that is perfectly adequate." CreationDate="2018-09-03T17:41:00.840" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17069" PostId="3877" Score="7" Text="What Todd said about exclusionary. Also, I think the target audience should not be professional mathematicians and graduate students (and assume the environment they live in as available to all); I think the target audience should be everyone who is willing to talk with professional mathematicians and graduate students on something close to the latter's level and terms, including former graduate students, former professional mathematicians, researchers and workers in other fields, and people who like their amateur status.  Gerhard &quot;In Short, For Almost Everyone&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.03." CreationDate="2018-09-03T17:46:33.870" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17070" PostId="3877" Score="1" Text="Also, while I am grateful (see my comment to the question) for an answer like the example you give, I would be happier with an adjunct answer that starts out like &quot;Expanding on Andy Putnam's answer, here is what the Kan-Thurston theorem means in this context...&quot;,  and continues in such a way that I gain not only a sense of what a cohomology ring is, but why one would ask the question in the first place.  Thank you Andy in any case for your contributions.  Gerhard &quot;See You In St. Petersburg?&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.03." CreationDate="2018-09-03T17:55:15.007" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17071" PostId="3877" Score="3" Text="Reference to the paper in question is certainly needed (or at least the author's name and the title). But including a link is a nice addition - as discussed before: [Is it worth editing old posts to add links for references?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3030)" CreationDate="2018-09-03T17:58:05.297" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17072" PostId="3877" Score="0" Text="ACK! I just noticed spellcheck struck again. Sorry for the typo, Professor Putman. Gerhard &quot;From One 'Man' To Another&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.03." CreationDate="2018-09-03T18:13:09.223" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17073" PostId="3877" Score="8" Text="@ToddTrimble: What I don't want to see are links to weird pirate websites, or an insistence on answers that only reference freely available sources.  My own take is that one should cite papers/books on MO for the same reasons that you cite them in a paper (that is, for purely intellectual reasons, e.g. citing the original source of a result or a particularly elegant exposition of it). There is an unfortunate intellectual laziness I often see among young people, who refuse to come to grips with the parts of the literature that they can't read on their screen." CreationDate="2018-09-03T19:22:29.143" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17074" PostId="3877" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak: I am totally fine with links to legitimate sources for a paper (e.g. an author's website, the arXiv, or a journals's website), and I'll include them if I have them easily accessible.  But what I don't want are links to sketchy collections of papers (e.g. researchgate or academia.edu)." CreationDate="2018-09-03T19:25:23.410" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17075" PostId="3877" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman: It would be kind of absurd to insert a discussion of what a cohomology ring is in a question like the one I answered (and once one knows the definitions, the question is natural enough that I don't think it needs further elaboration).  Indeed, I think this would add *negative* value: it would make it harder for an expert to parse things and find a quick crisp answer, and the question at hand is technical enough that someone trying to learn what a cohomology ring was would be unlikely to stumble across an answer that somehow ended up there." CreationDate="2018-09-03T19:29:38.773" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17076" PostId="3877" Score="0" Text="That's why I recommend an additional answer.  Then again, our targets seem different.  Gerhard &quot;Will Talk To Other Nonspecialists&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.03." CreationDate="2018-09-03T19:52:30.203" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17077" PostId="3877" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman: I'm not unwilling to talk to other specialists (after all, isn't that what MO is about?).  I'm just skeptical of the value of your suggested answer -- the OP's question makes it clear that they already know about cohomology rings, so it won't help them.  It would make more sense as an answer to a different sort of question.  To put it another way: I think of MO as a place to give crisp and precise answers to questions that are asked, not as a place for free-flowing mathematical chit-chat." CreationDate="2018-09-03T21:00:27.667" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17078" PostId="3877" Score="0" Text="Indeed, and I think you get to choose with whom to talk and to respond and how to respond.  I do not think every post should become or even link to a Wikipedia article. I am with you in the idea that a relevant and intelligible answer is first priority.  I am not with you in (the impression I gather from your responses in that) the target is professional mathematicians and graduate students.  Thus my next priority is accessibility, and we can disagree on how far to go with that.  Gerhard &quot;It Is A Balancing Act&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.03." CreationDate="2018-09-03T21:18:50.457" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17079" PostId="3877" Score="2" Text="Andy, if you or anyone else should ever see a link to a weird pirate website at MathOverflow, then you should report it right away; we simply can't have or endorse any legally questionable activity. Also, I too decry linking to sketchy papers; I hope that's not a huge problem here. I'm not quite sure I grasp concretely the phenomenon of intellectual laziness that you say you see; speaking personally, if I'm hunting for knowledge, I'll do what it takes to get it, but I'm much happier if I can access it off the WWW without a lot of hassle. Maybe we agree more than appears." CreationDate="2018-09-03T21:22:18.773" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17080" PostId="3877" Score="4" Text="@ToddTrimble: I suspect that we basically agree, and certainly I have never felt tempted to criticize you in any way.  I have repeatedly had the following experience in &quot;real life&quot;.  A graduate student comes to me with a question.  I tell them an article where their question is answered.  Later on I ask if they found the article useful, and I learn that since they couldn't find a scan of it online, they didn't pursue it.  I then give them my speech about how we have a wonderful library and they should learn to use it!  I see indications of this attitude sometimes here on MO." CreationDate="2018-09-03T21:37:45.887" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17081" PostId="3877" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman: I suspect that many of our disagreements here stem from the fact that I view MO as a resource intended for professional mathematicians and graduate students (together with people who intellectually are isomorphic to those kinds of people; for instance, non-professionals like Todd and the occasional crazy-advanced undergraduate).  This is what makes it such a useful resource.  I would be much less likely to participate if the level or signal-to-noise ratio drifted downward too much." CreationDate="2018-09-03T21:43:01.837" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17082" PostId="3877" Score="10" Text="&quot;given that our target audience is professional mathematicians and graduate students, I don't think [access to libraries] is a problem&quot; this attitude strikes me as 'let them eat cake'. Many university libraries around the world cannot afford to buy all the journals. The very rationale for Sci-Hub (for good or ill) is that the founder literally could not get access to the papers she needed to read for her research. I agree with all your other points." CreationDate="2018-09-03T21:59:05.627" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17083" PostId="3877" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman I think we probably do agree then, fundamentally. I can picture myself making the same speech; that's what libraries are for!  The graduate student is obviously making his or her life rather harder with that attitude." CreationDate="2018-09-03T22:30:03.127" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17096" PostId="3877" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble, I saw such a link just yesterday, and wasn't sure what to do.  (Unfortunately, I now forget where.)  What is the proper action?  Should I flag?" CreationDate="2018-09-05T14:03:49.237" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17098" PostId="3877" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Yes, please flag it if you can find it." CreationDate="2018-09-05T18:17:48.233" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17119" PostId="3877" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble &quot;if you or anyone else should ever see a link to a weird pirate website at MathOverflow, then you should report it right away;&quot; Sure. Precise reference more than suffices, doesn't it? :-)" CreationDate="2018-09-09T01:03:44.773" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="17120" PostId="3877" Score="0" Text="@fedja Please raise a flag for any such occurrence." CreationDate="2018-09-09T03:58:09.623" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17127" PostId="3877" Score="4" Text="*given that our target audience is professional mathematicians and graduate students, I don't think that is a problem* I teach at a community college in the US, and I have no access to paywalled journals. To get access to journals, I have to drive to a university." CreationDate="2018-09-12T03:06:50.127" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="17087" PostId="3878" Score="0" Text="Some basics about alignment, tables, arrays and similar stuff are mentioned also in [MathJax basic tutorial and quick reference](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5020) on Mathematics Meta. A few other useful MathJax-related resources are mentioned in [How does one type mathematical formulas on this site?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3763)" CreationDate="2018-09-05T06:50:54.910" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17085" PostId="3879" Score="2" Text="The tex.SE community strongly discourages MathJax-related questions, see https://tex.stackexchange.com/tags/mathjax/info." CreationDate="2018-09-05T06:12:17.117" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="17086" PostId="3879" Score="2" Text="@PeterKrautzberger Good to know, anyway I'm not sure whether the OP intended to ask about MathJax specifically" CreationDate="2018-09-05T06:38:01.520" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="17089" PostId="3879" Score="2" Text="I have edited your post so that the source code is displayed too. (Feel free to rollback if you prefer not to have it there. But some users might not know how to display source for rendered MathJax, so possibly for such users this might be useful.)" CreationDate="2018-09-05T07:24:46.120" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17090" PostId="3879" Score="0" Text="@BjørnKjos-Hanssen right, I meant it only as an addition to your answer." CreationDate="2018-09-05T09:07:46.193" UserId="7281" />
  <row Id="17094" PostId="3881" Score="0" Text="Maybe you should clarify whether you want to ask: 1) About advice for choosing a title *in general.* Or: 2) About advice concerning title of *a specific paper* you are currently working on. (I can't be sure, but my guess would be that the former has slightly bigger chance to be well-received on MO than the latter. On the other hand, it's possible that there is not much what can be said about this topic in general.)" CreationDate="2018-09-05T12:21:59.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17095" PostId="3881" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks, I thought it was clear that I was talking about specific questions for specific papers and their titles. I'm going to edit the question" CreationDate="2018-09-05T12:28:54.157" UserId="1234" />
  <row Id="17097" PostId="3881" Score="8" Text="What's with the 2 downvotes?  If you think the answer is &quot;no&quot; then write or upvote an answer saying so.  This is a good question for meta." CreationDate="2018-09-05T14:33:04.493" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="17099" PostId="3881" Score="1" Text="@BenWebster I think there's an unstated tradition across meta-SE's that, on questions that are &quot;yes/no&quot;, an upvote means &quot;yes&quot; and a downvote means &quot;no&quot;.  Of course this has most of its meaning to those who have enough reputation to see upvote and downvote totals, rather than the net total." CreationDate="2018-09-05T19:07:12.770" UserId="41862" />
  <row Id="17100" PostId="3881" Score="0" Text="@zibadawatimmy The problem is I also want the becauses..." CreationDate="2018-09-05T19:10:30.683" UserId="1234" />
  <row Id="17101" PostId="3881" Score="2" Text="@JoseBrox Those are what votes on actual answers give in this case.  It's not a perfect system of course.  Some people only want to vote on the yes/no part, not the why part, or only vote on answers, and there's the usual self-selection bias...  But for better or worse, that's the general behavior I've noticed across many meta SE's." CreationDate="2018-09-05T19:14:34.703" UserId="41862" />
  <row Id="17102" PostId="3881" Score="3" Text="@zibadawatimmy Although if we follow what the help center says - in the section [voting is different on meta](https://mathoverflow.net/help/whats-meta) - then this is recommended for posts which are tagged (feature-request). (Although in practice many users upvote/downvote the way you describe in your comment, i.e., to express agreement or disagreement with the statement said in the question.)" CreationDate="2018-09-05T19:41:22.470" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17125" PostId="3883" Score="0" Text="Although not actually related to my question, yes, I find the subject amusing :)" CreationDate="2018-09-10T12:35:23.157" UserId="1234" />
  <row Id="17105" PostId="3884" Score="9" Text="I am also initially surprised to see this. That said, there were some users in the past who I knew had incurred long-term bans for various reasons known to the mods, and one of them had been known to use fake identities..." CreationDate="2018-09-07T03:10:25.377" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17106" PostId="3884" Score="3" Text="Possibly relevant: a look for Morteza Azad at AUT only seems to turn up the author of https://arxiv.org/search/math?searchtype=author&amp;query=Azad%2C+M+B which evinces a rather different set of interests/activity than the user here of the same name" CreationDate="2018-09-07T03:13:09.707" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17107" PostId="3884" Score="1" Text="I will point out that the suspension is *network-wide*, so it's possible that it has nothing to do with the users activity on MO. Another data point which is publicly visible is the suspension was originally shorter. (You can see that the user posted on this site during August and Internet Archive snapshot [from August 19](http://web.archive.org/web/20180819060718/https://mathoverflow.net/users/82843/morteza-azad) shows a suspension ending on September 13 this year.)" CreationDate="2018-09-07T05:52:28.587" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17109" PostId="3884" Score="10" Text="Possibly related post on Meta Stack Exchange: [A technical failure of SE software: Unjustifiable reversal of the votes between highly active users](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314239/a-technical-failure-of-se-software-unjustifiable-reversal-of-the-votes-between). The post is now deleted, so you can see it if you have 10k+ reputation on that site and at the moment it is still visible in [Google Cache](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314239/a-technical-failure-of-se-software-unjustifiable-reversal-of-the-votes-between)." CreationDate="2018-09-07T13:26:14.243" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17260" PostId="3884" Score="2" Text="There are longer suspensions (such as [this one](https://physics.stackexchange.com/users/4864/ron-maimon))." CreationDate="2018-09-26T09:59:03.683" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="20305" PostId="3884" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi but there can be more than one Morteza Azad in the world, not a particularly rare name." CreationDate="2019-06-10T19:37:27.457" UserDisplayName="user141498" />
  <row Id="17110" PostId="3885" Score="0" Text="If the suspension is indeed complety unrelated to MO and possibly also dealt out by SE staff rather than MO moderators, the MO owners should maybe request SE to lift it on MO if the MO community feels like this. Just to remember, MO is not a 08-15 site of the network but has special rights by a legal agreement. SE staff should not have the right to quasi perma ban valuable productive users on this site against the will of this community!" CreationDate="2018-09-07T14:45:41.097" UserId="30967" />
  <row Id="17111" PostId="3885" Score="3" Text="Even assuming that the system can be persuaded to unban a user on just MathOverflow, that may be a bad precedent.  I don't think MathOverflow users can judge properly if a productive user should be allowed to continue without knowing why there was a ban, and even if MathOverflow moderators had enough information, I do not see them overriding a system ban or convincing the community to request an override without compromising something that may later relate to privacy concerns of you and me.  Gerhard &quot;It's An Unfortunate Corner Case&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.07." CreationDate="2018-09-07T16:22:45.017" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17112" PostId="3885" Score="24" Text="The MO mods are aware of the details of this case. We support the SE community team's decision." CreationDate="2018-09-07T17:17:57.333" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="17113" PostId="3885" Score="2" Text="Thank you for the response -- I've accepted it as I don't expect any further information to come forward, but I am surprised that a 10 year public shaming has been unanimously deemed the appropriate punitive measure. It's tantamount to a permanent ban except everyone can see it, in essence 10 years with a dunce cap on; I understand that this is entirely up to the discretion of mods and not community members like me, but I must wonder if it's really a commensurate punishment." CreationDate="2018-09-07T20:57:50.550" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="17114" PostId="3885" Score="15" Text="@AlecRhea: 'Morteza Azad' is hardly the real name of that user -- otherwise you'd certainly be right (though if you have been long enough on this site, it's not difficult to guess who it is)." CreationDate="2018-09-07T21:24:02.810" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17115" PostId="3885" Score="12" Text="@StefanKohl: Interestingly enough, the person I assume we are both thinking of repeatedly posted links to questions of “Morteza Azad” from his (public; I declined repeated friend requests from him) Facebook account.  So he wasn’t even trying to hide his identity.  I am kind of surprised his fake account lasted as long as it did..." CreationDate="2018-09-08T03:30:07.940" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17126" PostId="3889" Score="3" Text="I have some concerns regarding a) some missing remarks of mine that I did not delete, and b) some unanswered emails to the moderators concerning policy/promotion. Although there are also some broader concerns, these other concerns have been present for almost as long as I have participated.  Since the forum is still here, I prefer to work with the existing team on these and other concerns rather than change the team. Thanks for the update and the chance to disagree. Gerhard &quot;Thanks For Having Me Mostly&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.11." CreationDate="2018-09-11T15:42:55.583" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17128" PostId="3889" Score="2" Text="Just a minor objection to one thing Ben said: it should be added that I have always relied on the other moderators to help me carry out day-to-day operations: particularly when I have a tricky flag or circumstance to respond to, I'll ask others for input/advice. In recent days, in accordance with comments below my answer (starting with Matt F''s), I have scaled back some day-to-day activities, mostly processing only very routine flags, and leaving harder cases to my other moderators for now. So the moderators really are in this together, and we as a team come to consensus pretty readily." CreationDate="2018-09-12T15:09:10.190" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18089" PostId="3889" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble From the outsider view I'd guess that the most frequent thing a moderator has to do is handling flags (mod flags can only be handled by a moderator, IIRC if a post lingers for too long in some of the review queues, the flag is also moved to moderators) - which makes the claim about &quot;50 by-hand actions in the last year&quot; a bit misleading (probably unintentionally), since this number is about a very specific subset of mod actions. (The details are listed in the linked query.) Out of curiosity, how many flags do moderators handle per year? Hundreds? More?" CreationDate="2018-12-30T19:27:52.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18090" PostId="3889" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak As a very rough estimate, something on the order of 1500 per year, give or take. Many of those are routine." CreationDate="2018-12-30T23:21:50.163" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18139" PostId="3889" Score="1" Text="Since I have asked about the number of handled flags, I will also mention that now there is [a post on meta](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4062) with more detailed stats than the ones given in @ToddTrimble's comment. The posts gives statistics for the calendar year 2018: &quot;Question flags handled: 856, Answer flags handled: 830, Comment flags handled: 1,385.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-01-10T16:32:52.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17140" PostId="3890" Score="12" Text="I'm happy either way. I used to be very active here and I had an intuitive feeling for what I thought a good / bad question looked like. I no longer have that feeling and the community has changed as well. As anyone who looks through the edit history will see, after all the background stuff was deleted I wrote a blog post saying roughly the same thing, and added a link from the MO post to the blog post. Now the original post is back and we have a data point of someone saying they found it valuable. Ultimately I would like to abide by the rules and guidelines, but I no longer know them." CreationDate="2018-09-22T12:47:50.387" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17141" PostId="3890" Score="3" Text="Federico thought that a lot of the discussion looked like advertising for Lean. That's not how it struck me, but I see now that Federico has posted an answer." CreationDate="2018-09-22T13:26:47.587" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17146" PostId="3890" Score="2" Text="Could one of the users who disagree with me please write something more detailed than &quot;I thought it was OK&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-09-22T16:05:20.530" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17149" PostId="3890" Score="0" Text="I feel that the removal of the section is too drastic, but changes to it are in order, see my answer..." CreationDate="2018-09-22T18:39:12.143" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="17153" PostId="3890" Score="1" Text="For people who want to see it, here's Kevin's blog post: https://xenaproject.wordpress.com/2018/09/22/formalising-mathematics-a-mathematicians-personal-viewpoint/ (EDIT: which I see now he gave in a comment to  Frederico's answer)" CreationDate="2018-09-23T02:23:43.173" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17247" PostId="3890" Score="7" Text="I'm sure that Kevin Buzzard is proud to own his question, but it seems like a bad precedent to have people think that MeMO posts can or should name individual posters.  Especially since it's currently a hot meta post, how about removing Kevin's name from the title (not necessarily from the post itself)?" CreationDate="2018-09-25T11:51:00.377" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17424" PostId="3890" Score="0" Text="@KevinBuzzard, the rules and guidelines are clear enough....but the norms are unclear, and which rules and guidelines the community wants to uphold is unclear. I find that this unclarity is also unfriendly and unwise. But many active users prefer not to codify new guidelines, and prefer to disregard things already codified." CreationDate="2018-10-19T02:33:28.790" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="17142" PostId="3891" Score="1" Text="https://xenaproject.wordpress.com/2018/09/22/formalising-mathematics-a-mathematicians-personal-viewpoint/ -- when you deleted the question I guessed that your thoughts would be what you have written above, and I wrote a blog post." CreationDate="2018-09-22T14:18:24.183" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17143" PostId="3891" Score="5" Text="Here is some background. We are a loose-knit community of mathematicians and computer scientists with a vast amount of synergy. I have strongly argued on the Lean chat that the computer scientists should be devoting a lot more time formalising the mathematics that mathematicians are actually interested in and a lot less time formalising the mathematics which fits best into their theorem provers for whatever reason. What has happened in practice is that we are now formalising the kind of mathematics which the mathematicians among us are interested in e.g. perfectoid spaces. (1/2)" CreationDate="2018-09-22T14:22:43.023" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17144" PostId="3891" Score="4" Text="The original motivation behind the question is that I wanted to get a feeling from a broader community of mathematicians as to the kind of values of X which would make them think &quot;hey! Lean now has X in it!&quot;. Already there is discussion on the Lean chat about formalising the statement of the classification of finite simple groups and which goals are actually going to be achievable. That was one of the main aims of the post. Of course another aim is trying to raise the visibility of Lean and maybe of theorem provers in general, and this is because I believe mathematicians need to know! (2/2)" CreationDate="2018-09-22T14:26:21.600" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17145" PostId="3891" Score="3" Text="@KevinBuzzard I think that the question and this motivation are good, and should stay on MO. What I disagree is only the last section, which has no role in the question and is there just to raise the visibility of Lean. MO is a site to ask questions and give answers, not a blog or a news site where you post to get your project known." CreationDate="2018-09-22T14:55:16.420" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17147" PostId="3891" Score="1" Text="I put it there in an attempt to show that the &quot;obviously completely impossible task for a 1st year undergraduate&quot; of learning how to formalise mathematics was now much easier than it used to be. I put it there to show that formalisation is now for the normal mathematician. I completely agree that it reads like an advert. I think it is desperately important for the mathematics community to understand it. I understand your point of view. As I already said, I just blogged all the information after you deleted it. I played no role in either the deletion or undeletion and don't know what is best." CreationDate="2018-09-22T16:44:55.153" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17148" PostId="3891" Score="0" Text="cf. https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/3892/11100" CreationDate="2018-09-22T17:03:59.600" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="17151" PostId="3891" Score="7" Text="I upvoted this to support my concern that I don't want to see MO overrun with spammy project posts. However, I don't think Kevin Buzzard crossed &quot;the line&quot; (a fuzzy ambiguous thing), and thought his post was just barely acceptable for being a good fit for the community (and in fact contributes to the community for some of the reasons he outlines). Perhaps he gets the benefit for being first, but ... I think if there were a bunch of similar posts that start showing up I would voice concern on meta. But this question, in this particular instance, I think is ok." CreationDate="2018-09-23T01:28:37.443" UserId="51771" />
  <row Id="17150" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="I am open to rewrite suggestions. I am completely happy to strive to comply with what the community thinks is best. As for other systems, I don't see any real reason why all this can't happen in Coq or Mizar but these communities seem to have no growth. I am not an expert in these systems. What I do not understand is why these systems have been round forever but nobody from their communities seems to be targetting recent research level maths -- the kind of stuff that makes us tick.  They seem to be more concerned with stuff like constructivism which to a mainstream mathematician is very niche." CreationDate="2018-09-22T19:41:58.503" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17154" PostId="3892" Score="1" Text="hmm, have you heard of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univalent_foundations ?&#xA;Which is a modern research level maths..." CreationDate="2018-09-23T10:24:37.937" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="17155" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="Also, while saying &quot;it has been success with undergraduates&quot; is OK, giving names without specifying concrete accomplishments smacks of advertising---appropriate for your own blog, less so for MO, IMHO." CreationDate="2018-09-23T10:34:48.450" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="17156" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="Waitwaitwait -- I specifically link to, and name, the achievements of Chris Hughes, who formalised the statements and proofs of Sylow's theorems, and Kenny Lau, who has, modulo existence of algebraic closure of a field (which he is working on), and a construction from local class field theory (which he declared as an axiom), stated the local Langlands conjectures for tori." CreationDate="2018-09-23T19:00:32.033" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17159" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="I do know about univalent foundations, but I have never used it. Lean uses dependent type theory, which is something else. Lean's type theory is equiconsistent with ZFC + infinitely many inaccessible cardinals. I don't know what the proof strength of most of the other systems is." CreationDate="2018-09-23T20:41:08.927" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17165" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="Something else than what?  This is not actually my area, so I don't really want to argue, but I understand Coq to be also based on dependent type theory. See for instance http://adam.chlipala.net/papers/CpdtJFR/CpdtJFR.pdf" CreationDate="2018-09-24T01:30:49.520" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17173" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="@KevinBuzzard  the post says &quot;links to their undergrad projects&quot;, but does not give links (otherwise, indeed, I should have been more precise, sorry)." CreationDate="2018-09-24T07:22:54.277" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="17174" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="My understanding of the way univalent foundations works is that you write it in coq but that you are not allowed to use some of Coq's functionality! On the other hand they add in an extra axiom which is not part of Coq. So I'm not so sure that it's dependent type theory any more. I think people call it homotopy type theory." CreationDate="2018-09-24T07:29:16.173" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17175" PostId="3892" Score="2" Text="@DimaPasechnik I now see the issue! The original version of the question had many more links in the question. Perhaps during the removal and restoral all those links disappeared. &quot;links to their undergraduate project&quot; used to be links." CreationDate="2018-09-24T07:31:14.187" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17176" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="OK Dima thanks for pointing this out. I have put some links back, and I have removed a couple of explicit mentions to Lean in some places where &quot;a theorem prover&quot; would do just as well. This is an attempt to make the background a bit more even-handed." CreationDate="2018-09-24T07:48:15.837" UserId="1384" />
  <row Id="17178" PostId="3892" Score="1" Text="IMHO univalence axiom, used in homotopy type theory, is an extension of very bare foundations provided by Coq. Anyhow the following seems nicely written:&#xA;http://www.ams.org/journals/bull/2018-55-04/S0273-0979-2018-01616-9/S0273-0979-2018-01616-9.pdf" CreationDate="2018-09-24T08:23:54.437" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="17212" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="Read the first sentence here: https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/homotopy+type+theory  HoTT is based on intensional dependent type theory, with yes, some more axioms such as univalence." CreationDate="2018-09-24T18:46:25.437" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17254" PostId="3893" Score="0" Text="Is this worthy of a new top-level post?" CreationDate="2018-09-25T17:42:20.307" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17256" PostId="3893" Score="0" Text="It's an old top level post.  Sorry if there's a newer top level post that's more appropriate." CreationDate="2018-09-25T18:28:39.213" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="17257" PostId="3893" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I meant:  do you think your answer here to your own old top-level post is worthy of a new top-level post?  More explicitly, *I* think it's worthy of one (as presumably increasing visibility), and was wondering if you agreed." CreationDate="2018-09-25T18:29:37.563" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17160" PostId="3894" Score="60" Text="Héctor, I think this one is for the blogs, if anyone wants to take it up. Atiyah has done some of the greatest mathematics in the past 50+ years, but it looks very likely that here he's &quot;not even wrong&quot;, and it is for this very reason that he should be accorded some dignity in view of his epoch-making *past* work -- not a public raking at MO. That's just my opinion." CreationDate="2018-09-23T21:01:06.450" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17161" PostId="3894" Score="6" Text="For reference, here's an earlier meta thread which I think applies in this case  https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/927/what-is-our-policy-on-asking-about-correctness-of-preprints" CreationDate="2018-09-23T21:03:18.400" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="17162" PostId="3894" Score="4" Text="I attended the Abel lecture in Rio and have already formed my beliefs about the validity of his proof.  If he has something, someone will hear it and report to the world. I'm not betting on that happening. (I do think someone other than me should listen to his lectures.) Gerhard &quot;Check The Video For Yourself&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.23." CreationDate="2018-09-23T21:26:12.877" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17163" PostId="3894" Score="27" Text="The [New Scientist article](https://www.newscientist.com/article/2180406-famed-mathematician-claims-proof-of-160-year-old-riemann-hypothesis/) said it best: &quot;New Scientist contacted a number of mathematicians to comment on the claimed proof, but all of them declined.&quot;  I don't think the professional mathematics community wants to go near this, for good reason.   It's a sad situation.  If you really want to discuss that preprint, try a more general forum like Reddit r/math." CreationDate="2018-09-23T21:40:33.957" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17164" PostId="3894" Score="24" Text="Speaking of Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/9icamx/is_there_an_error_in_the_preprint_published_by/ No need to wait until the lecture, there are preprints (yes, two) already. I think we should cut the guy some slack and not drag this through the mud. The preprint is dedicated to his late wife, who died earlier this year... :-(" CreationDate="2018-09-23T23:08:47.787" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17166" PostId="3894" Score="83" Text="The only thing I'm willing to say is that the organizers of the event aren't my heroes (while Atiyah still is)." CreationDate="2018-09-24T02:13:46.123" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="17167" PostId="3894" Score="10" Text="@DavidRoberts Okay, agreed: let's not drag this through the mud. I dislike deleting questions, but I think that's the right judgment call in this case (and there seems there would be no objection from the commenters here). This meta can stay up of course. [Totally off-topic aside: what a stupid-looking blackboard in the New Scientist article. The only part I liked was the fragment &quot;$Td(X)[X]$&quot;.]" CreationDate="2018-09-24T02:59:08.827" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17168" PostId="3894" Score="5" Text="@Todd thanks. ." CreationDate="2018-09-24T03:39:01.360" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17169" PostId="3894" Score="3" Text="@DavidRoberts there's likely to be a lot more of these threads ([here's another one already](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/311280/what-is-the-definition-of-the-function-t-used-in-atiyahs-attempted-proof-of-the)).  Might be best to leave one undeleted but locked, with pointers to meta and maybe reddit.  Sadly, the paper in question can't be considered research-level mathematics (despite the author's great accomplishments in earlier days).  So it's best to treat it as off-topic for MO, but perhaps at least temporarily useful to leave up a post informing people of this." CreationDate="2018-09-24T05:01:13.873" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17170" PostId="3894" Score="3" Text="FWIW, Atiyah's paper on the fine structure constant which describes the &quot;Todd map&quot; appears to be [here](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WPsVhtBQmdgQl25_evlGQ1mmTQE0Ww4a/view)." CreationDate="2018-09-24T05:12:15.493" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17171" PostId="3894" Score="12" Text="@ToddTrimble: Can you please post an answer to this meta question, announcing your policy, so that  it is easy to see, and can be voted on?" CreationDate="2018-09-24T05:14:13.473" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="17172" PostId="3894" Score="28" Text="I completely understand the reaction of mathematicians here, but Atiyah's claim got a lot of press.  We live in a different era now, where everything is public.  It doesn't necessarily have to be Math Overflow, but someone somewhere has to go on record discussing the claims, before it ends up on Alex Jones as part of some bizarre conspiracy theory." CreationDate="2018-09-24T07:10:30.730" UserId="3711" />
  <row Id="17181" PostId="3894" Score="4" Text="Well, [someone implemented the algorithm to independently calculate the predicted value of $\alpha$](https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/9ig4ei/atiyahs_computation_of_the_fine_structure/)..." CreationDate="2018-09-24T08:46:34.517" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17184" PostId="3894" Score="14" Text="It would help if someone close (professionally) to Atiyah, who knows the situation for what it is, were to address this issue publicly. I work in an engineering school and today already several faculty members have asked me about Atiyah's proof of the Riemann hypothesis, having read about it online. It's important that the underlying situation (whatever it is - although I can guess, I do not know) be made clear, so that the reputation of a great mathematician is not damaged, and the credibility of the mathematical community is not adversely effected." CreationDate="2018-09-24T10:48:33.950" UserId="9471" />
  <row Id="17185" PostId="3894" Score="44" Text="&quot;but someone somewhere has to go on record discussing the claims&quot; There isn't much to discuss, sadly. If you want somebody on record for MO, I can say it openly that the properties of $T$ are self-contradictory. As to the general public opinion and &quot;conspiracy theories&quot; I couldn't care less: *we* may be living in a &quot;public era&quot; but *our craft* has none of these two words in its vocabulary. As to &quot;damage to the reputation&quot;, IMHO, all of it goes to the HLF organizers and if somebody asks me, I wouldn't hesitate even a second to attribute it there." CreationDate="2018-09-24T11:38:39.193" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="17186" PostId="3894" Score="34" Text="I think, that MO community must have some mathematical point of view on what happened.  Atiyah is doing this not for the first time! He claimed two years ago that 6-sphere has no complex structure: https://arxiv.org/abs/1610.09366 . I never saw a professional statement  from some prominent geometer that this paper is wrong. I think that trying to keep this situation under the carpet will be damaging for the math community on many levels. Some people all over the globe will spend time reading the text. A duty of math community will be to repeat $10^{10}$ times that the paper is wrong (I guess)" CreationDate="2018-09-24T12:02:52.533" UserId="943" />
  <row Id="17190" PostId="3894" Score="22" Text="@Dmitri, MO community $\ne$ math community." CreationDate="2018-09-24T13:13:07.430" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17192" PostId="3894" Score="4" Text="@NateEldredge I have put together a draft of an answer for this meta question, and waiting to see what reactions there are from the other moderators. I hope to post it in the near future (optimally sometime today or this evening, US East Coast time)." CreationDate="2018-09-24T14:17:18.173" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17193" PostId="3894" Score="16" Text="@Dmitri I think you're wrong. Robert Bryant has cast severe doubt on the correctness of Atiyah's work on the question of whether $S^6$ has a complex structure: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/304071/atiyahs-may-2018-paper-on-the-6-sphere" CreationDate="2018-09-24T14:20:42.553" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17195" PostId="3894" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble (since you may know the best approach): Oddly enough, this thread does not seem to mention the question https://mathoverflow.net/questions/311062/sir-michael-atiyahs-conference-on-the-riemann-hypothesis, though this discussion should presumably take account of / apply to it as well." CreationDate="2018-09-24T14:55:51.977" UserId="119538" />
  <row Id="17201" PostId="3894" Score="0" Text="@PJTraill Thanks. I've deleted it (it had 4 delete votes already and needed just 1 more). But crap: over 50 upvotes; that makes it a lot harder." CreationDate="2018-09-24T16:43:45.253" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17215" PostId="3894" Score="8" Text="@ToddTrimble what do you mean by &quot;not even wrong&quot;?  Why is everybody being so cryptic and weasel-tongued in this thread? If it's wrong it's wrong, being wrong is not something to be *that* ashamed of... The comments here seem so strange to me. What am I missing?" CreationDate="2018-09-24T19:14:56.393" UserId="57516" />
  <row Id="17217" PostId="3894" Score="31" Text="@ZubinMukerjee &quot;Not even wrong&quot; is a well-known expression, attributed to Wolfgang Pauli. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong It's a surmise on my part that it's not just that something was overlooked in his proof, but it seems hard to make any sense of it at all. But I understand your frustration. People are seemingly being cryptic because the situation is embarrassing. (And that's all I'll say about this for now.)" CreationDate="2018-09-24T19:29:56.847" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17219" PostId="3894" Score="3" Text="Ah ok, that makes a lot more sense. Thank you. Excuse my ignorance :)" CreationDate="2018-09-24T19:42:09.557" UserId="57516" />
  <row Id="17226" PostId="3894" Score="6" Text="I still can't make head or tail of what has befallen to my question https://mathoverflow.net/questions/311062/sir-michael-atiyahs-conference-on-the-riemann-hypothesis I believe it was a legitimate question, posed in good faith; yet, it was closed TWICE, then sent down the memory hole in a somewhat hurried manner. If MO is not the right place to ask about attempts at settling RH, then this question https://mathoverflow.net/questions/293545/where-can-i-find-rademachers-wrong-disproof-of-the-riemann-hypothesis should be closed too, shouldn't it?" CreationDate="2018-09-24T21:33:23.917" UserId="1593" />
  <row Id="17231" PostId="3894" Score="14" Text="@JoséHdz.Stgo. I know you posted in good faith. In fact I think just about everyone participating in this discussion is acting in good faith. As mentioned above, I cast a 5th vote to delete, in the name in consistency since other questions which asked about the truth of Atiyah's proof were also deleted. The situation here is very raw and delicate. Please stay tuned for an answer from the moderators that will hopefully clarify our position. I do not think the post about Rademacher is quite in the same category, as he has been dead for almost 50 years." CreationDate="2018-09-24T22:23:55.487" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17262" PostId="3894" Score="3" Text="@none Was it &quot;sad&quot; when it was discovered that Andrew Wiles made a mistake?" CreationDate="2018-09-26T13:39:25.450" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="17266" PostId="3894" Score="16" Text="@JackBauer no not the same way, for reasons that should be apparent from the thread." CreationDate="2018-09-26T16:18:06.043" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17268" PostId="3894" Score="8" Text="There's nothing sad about a man striving until the end. By his determination, it's clear that he wants to die as a mathematician. However, instead, the mathematical community regards him as some kind of fragile infantile miserable man. He certainly knew about the consequences and yet he embraced the risk. The mathematical community should at least treat the Atiyah of now with some dignity and stop being attached to the old image that resembles him. This sick manifestation of pity is disgusting." CreationDate="2018-09-26T23:51:17.087" UserId="40883" />
  <row Id="17269" PostId="3894" Score="18" Text="@user40276 You're making assumptions about the situation. I will now ask that the public speculations be brought to a close, and that everyone keep his or her own counsel. (I may in fact begin deleting a bunch of comments, or moving them to chat.)" CreationDate="2018-09-27T00:47:38.123" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17347" PostId="3894" Score="0" Text="SE chat rooms are usually _deserted_ but think are a worthwhile area for topics like this, there has been some extended discussion in existing rooms. see eg https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/83556/sir-michael-atiyahs-proof-of-the-riemann-hypothesis https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/mathoverflow https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/36/mathematics and try using the search feature + try this blog for copious bkg/ links/ discussion https://vzn1.wordpress.com/2018/09/26/atiyah-riemann-attack-post-mortem-autopsy-primes-torch-carried-on/" CreationDate="2018-10-03T22:28:30.217" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="17177" PostId="3895" Score="10" Text="While in principle there is no problem discussing details from papers (even from preprints) this particular situation is somehow delicate, as anyone following past developments can confirm. I would suggest that holding our horses for a while is the best action we can do." CreationDate="2018-09-24T08:21:05.337" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17179" PostId="3895" Score="6" Text="Aside from other concerns, I’m uncomfortable with discussing a preprint before it has been made public by the author, or we are sure that it has been made public with permission of the author." CreationDate="2018-09-24T08:29:17.743" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="17180" PostId="3895" Score="3" Text="@JeremyRickard As far as I could see (you know there were technical problems), the Heidelberg talk looks the same as the preprint" CreationDate="2018-09-24T08:46:24.677" UserId="1234" />
  <row Id="17182" PostId="3895" Score="9" Text="And apparently (this was said in the talk) it _was_ submitted to the arXiv, but not accepted, so it's clear the author wants this public..." CreationDate="2018-09-24T08:48:08.203" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17188" PostId="3895" Score="23" Text="Math may be eternal but these papers are not math.  That Arxiv rejected them but HLF accepted them says something unflattering about HLF.  I'm with Fedja in assigning them a lot of blame for this debacle." CreationDate="2018-09-24T12:38:53.470" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17208" PostId="3895" Score="7" Text="@none I think that interpretation is very uncharitable towards both Heidelberg *and* the arxiv. Why should they apply the same criteria? They're completely different fora. A simple counterproposal: maybe Atiyah's paper was judged to look less like a fully fleshed-out preprint (because it wasn't) and more like a rough outline of / advertisement for a talk (because it was). Thus it was rejected as a preprint and accepted as a talk. Heidelberg may want to revise its criteria for acceptance after this, but we have no reason to doubt that they were applied fairly, consistently, and in good faith." CreationDate="2018-09-24T17:48:18.160" UserId="119745" />
  <row Id="17221" PostId="3895" Score="21" Text="Billy and Zubin, at least for established researchers, the arxiv is basically a self-publishing outlet where you upload your paper with no editorial review at all, and it becomes available to everyone on the server.  So if they reject something it reflects an unusual situation (Atiyah's recent activities in this case) that HLF also had to be aware of.  HLF still accepted the talk and promoted it on their twitter, which came across to some of us as cheap sensationalism, using Atiyah's fame and the claimed RH result to draw attention to their conference without regard to the consequences." CreationDate="2018-09-24T19:55:07.623" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17227" PostId="3895" Score="3" Text="&quot;if they reject something it reflects an unusual situation (Atiyah's recent activities in this case)&quot; This sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. I'm not sure I want to believe that the arxiv moderators are in the business of prematurely retiring mathematicians whose work has slipped. I'm far more inclined to believe that it was rejected from the arxiv because e.g. it was sketchily written and grossly under-referenced, not for reasons of mathematics, and that HLF accepted it on the basis of (misplaced but good-faith) trust in the mathematical claims. No contradiction there." CreationDate="2018-09-24T21:46:23.510" UserId="119745" />
  <row Id="17228" PostId="3895" Score="1" Text="(Note that I do agree with the things you said in the latter half of your last comment. I think there are good reasons to believe the HLF acted in bad faith at times. I just don't think that your comparison with the arxiv is a fair criticism. They're completely different institutions, with different goals, communicating via different media. There's no reason they should have all the same opinions.)" CreationDate="2018-09-24T21:51:07.973" UserId="119745" />
  <row Id="17233" PostId="3895" Score="9" Text="Billy, when you say &quot;HLF accepted it on the basis of (misplaced but good-faith) trust in the mathematical claims&quot;, I think that is basically accusing them of incompetence given the history.  I can't say for sure that you're wrong, but if they are incompetent they shouldn't be running such conferences.  Then you add &quot;I think there are good reasons to believe the HLF acted in bad faith at times.&quot;  Exactly.  The outcome was foreseeable and is unfortunate.  I think they did everyone a disservice." CreationDate="2018-09-24T22:34:19.287" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17241" PostId="3895" Score="4" Text="I cannot help but notice that some people here discuss matters that are almost tangential to the original question. We shouldn't be trying to blame someone, but find out how we should react." CreationDate="2018-09-25T07:16:16.143" UserId="13767" />
  <row Id="17265" PostId="3895" Score="4" Text="@ManuelBärenz yeah that is kind of a tangent, about how we got where we are.  Regarding the original question: for reasons already discussed, it's a misdirection to treat this as a normal unconfirmed math result and discuss it in purely mathematical terms.  The MO mods handled it the best way under the circumstances, imho." CreationDate="2018-09-26T16:15:51.830" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17187" PostId="3898" Score="12" Text="Unfortunately I don't see how this approach could end up in anything but a public shaming of Sir Michael Atiyah, which I don't think the MO community wants to be associated with. I certainly don't. So, while I understand the problems that motivated this proposal I am not sure I can agree with it." CreationDate="2018-09-24T12:31:05.743" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17191" PostId="3898" Score="18" Text="@Denis It seems that instead he is receiving a public shaming from laymen across the internet. It may be that an authoritative (and carefully written) account from a professional mathematician minimizes the harm from the public interest. But of course, I do not know." CreationDate="2018-09-24T13:13:09.920" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="17202" PostId="3898" Score="23" Text="There's nothing intrinsically shameful about producing a proof that turns out to be wrong.  We can dispassionately evaluate it without speculating about how it came about.  Atiyah's announcement received a great deal of press -- multiple non-mathematicians have asked me about it.  Junior people who are aware of Atiyah's reputation are going to ask here if the proof is right, and if it's wrong if it can be salvaged.  If we refuse to answer questions about it, it will quite strange." CreationDate="2018-09-24T16:44:24.463" UserId="3711" />
  <row Id="17203" PostId="3898" Score="28" Text="Instead of a dispassionate evaluation, we are giving dark hints about Atiyah's state of mind, which I would imagine is a worse form of public shaming." CreationDate="2018-09-24T16:45:02.870" UserId="3711" />
  <row Id="17204" PostId="3898" Score="12" Text="I'm not sure we are darkly hinting at his &quot;state of mind&quot; exactly, not in any diagnostic sense. (Yesterday I watched a video of him addressing the last ICM. The audio was of poor cell-phone quality, but I was impressed by his physical vigor, and he told some good jokes and so forth.)  But I think it's fair to say, based on the evidence before us, that there might be something tragic happening here. Let's just say that this is not how we want Sir Michael Atiyah remembered, and that we want to preserve some decorum, as well as speak truth. It's hard to do with all the noise." CreationDate="2018-09-24T17:11:08.877" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17207" PostId="3898" Score="23" Text="What do you think &quot;something tragic happening here&quot; sounds like?  It sounds a lot worse than &quot;the proof has a gap here&quot;." CreationDate="2018-09-24T17:44:11.123" UserId="3711" />
  <row Id="17210" PostId="3898" Score="4" Text="*Might be* something tragic. What I'm saying is that that possibility must be borne in mind, whatever we do. (There can be various explanations, but it's not for us to speculate.) I can think of several cases in the life of scientists where the quality of their science at some point in life had a tragic aspect, without in any way imputing mental illness or anything like that." CreationDate="2018-09-24T18:30:55.290" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17211" PostId="3898" Score="24" Text="Well, there has been already a lot of media attention to the purported proof, this will become part of the record. Addressing the purported proof mathematically seems much cleaner than the constant patronizing." CreationDate="2018-09-24T18:35:05.953" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="17216" PostId="3898" Score="8" Text="@arsmath I'm not sure to what extent you are making a general argument on principle, but while I agree in principle that &quot;There's nothing intrinsically shameful about producing a proof that turns out to be wrong&quot;, reading both of the documents produced by Atiyah ought to show you (from what I remember of your own mathblogging) that they are qualitatively different from e.g. Dunwoody's briefly claim in 2002 to have found a proof of the Poincare conjecture - and not in a good way. I feel able to say this factually, without making any insinuation or inference about Atiyah's state of mind." CreationDate="2018-09-24T19:26:24.857" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17218" PostId="3898" Score="10" Text="@MichaelGreinecker Initially I was in the camp of those who preferred not to make a big song and dance about the announcement and the purported proof, but I am coming round to the point of view in your last comment. I hope it is possible to point out that certain statements simply do not make sense while still allowing the possibility that there are some underlying ideas which have been poorly or vaguely presented" CreationDate="2018-09-24T19:29:58.283" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17222" PostId="3898" Score="6" Text="@YemonChoi I'm contemplating the same thing. However, I am very very very far from convinced that it's up to MO to do the job. As I see it, if we try to view this in purely mathematical terms, the choices are (1) this proof makes little to no sense to anyone who could plausibly weigh in, or (2) some such person says, &quot;yes, I see what Atiyah is attempting to do&quot;, but points out some step or part that is mistaken or irreparable. I see &quot;the proof has a gap here&quot; as feasibly applying only to possibility (2), whereas there's a real question as to what expert will stand up and declare (1)." CreationDate="2018-09-24T20:09:26.983" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17223" PostId="3898" Score="4" Text="I also see a CW mechanism at Main as not well adapted to the task, for reasons somewhat akin to Feynman's parable of the Chinese emperor's nose length. Ideally it would be best if only experts weighed in. Would that happen? Seems pretty unlikely to me. And then to put it up to votes. Seems like a real mess to moderate as well." CreationDate="2018-09-24T20:13:50.633" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17224" PostId="3898" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi I agree with your assessment of the manuscripts.  I'm just trying to find a way to accurately communicate the status of the proof while simultaneously minimize the discomfort many people feel with the situation." CreationDate="2018-09-24T20:29:14.413" UserId="3711" />
  <row Id="17225" PostId="3898" Score="12" Text="Amplifying what Todd Trimble says, I think it's basically a category error to treat these papers as math proofs that can be checked for mistakes.    And besides the Chinese emperor's nose (I had to look that one up), we're in something like the blue-eyed islanders' puzzle.  It's outside of our boundaries as math people to discuss anyone's eye color in public even though we might reach a conclusion about it privately.   So we are left with a dilemma." CreationDate="2018-09-24T20:58:01.897" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17238" PostId="3898" Score="3" Text="@none Your first sentence is exactly what I meant." CreationDate="2018-09-25T00:36:40.387" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17220" PostId="3901" Score="7" Text="Can someone explain why this answer has so many downvotes?" CreationDate="2018-09-24T19:54:17.617" UserId="41139" />
  <row Id="17229" PostId="3901" Score="1" Text="@Vincent, I didn't downvote, but perhaps because it seems that only the first and last sentences (and arguably the first paragraph) address the question that was asked." CreationDate="2018-09-24T21:57:07.473" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17230" PostId="3901" Score="17" Text="I downvoted because I thought the post showed unjustified optimism about the papers' math content, leading to an imho unrealistic prescription for how the situation should play out.  That said, Gerhard was at the ICM talk so he may well be better attuned than I am." CreationDate="2018-09-24T22:23:12.373" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17232" PostId="3901" Score="4" Text="I didn't downvote. I think Gerhard was just trying to be polite and cautious here and so may have come across as hedging. And indeed, having a really open conversation here is pretty uncomfortable." CreationDate="2018-09-24T22:27:58.557" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17239" PostId="3901" Score="0" Text="I can think of three down voting plausibilities. The Atiyah fans do not like my not wanting to hear from Sir Michael directly, so downvote.  The people who are not signature fans do not like my use of signature to suggest things, so downvote.  Finally, the people who enjoy rapid fire gossip may dislike my suggestion to wait days before asking such questions, so downvote.  Gerhard &quot;Can Call Myself Doddering Fool&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.24." CreationDate="2018-09-25T04:15:08.860" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17245" PostId="3901" Score="5" Text="I downvoted, not out of any ill will, simply because I don't think it really answers the question. I agree with Gerhard on e.g. what &quot;the masses&quot; should understand about mathematics - I just don't think that should have any bearing on what's allowed to be discussed on MO. More importantly, I'm finding it hard to read through the hedging: I agree that content on MO should be suitably presented (obviously!), but the OP's question is: what does a &quot;suitable&quot; presentation *look like*, and why have previous questions been unsuitable? &quot;Wait at least a few days&quot; is great advice, but not an answer!" CreationDate="2018-09-25T08:30:35.847" UserId="119745" />
  <row Id="17252" PostId="3901" Score="0" Text="I have not watched the video, but I understand that not enough was given at the lecture yesterday to be judged as a complete proof, and that even as a sketch some key components are absent. So where is the proof the question asks us to judge? Even if the proof was given on Monday, how long should it take to understand? These MathOverflow questions are inspired by media announcements, not by a proper presentation. At least the question on Todd functions (operators?) is based on an articulated idea. Gerhard &quot;'Wait For It' Is Answer&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.25." CreationDate="2018-09-25T14:51:54.847" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17253" PostId="3901" Score="2" Text="Is this a first for nested-quote signatures?  Loren &quot;@GerhardPaseman's newest signature is '&quot;Wait For It&quot; Is Answer'&quot; Spice" CreationDate="2018-09-25T17:40:54.113" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17255" PostId="3901" Score="0" Text="@Lspice, it may be for you. Since I don't have a twitter feed, you will have to check my user pages (yes, pages) for &quot;all actions&quot; under activity for earlier examples. Gerhard &quot;Might Triple Nest This Year&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.25." CreationDate="2018-09-25T17:56:13.800" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17258" PostId="3901" Score="1" Text="The question on this Todd function is precisely the one I had in mind - e.g. because the introduction of the Todd function was not new during the lecture, and it's appeared in the literature at least twice before. Certainly, the *answer* to that question may end up being &quot;wait for it&quot;, but there's absolutely no reason that we have to wait *in order to ask the question*, which is what your answer suggests. It's a very good question. I think we can be sensitive to this scenario without calling for a moratorium on all related mathematical discussion." CreationDate="2018-09-25T19:33:15.283" UserId="119745" />
  <row Id="17259" PostId="3901" Score="0" Text="Anyway, I don't intend to argue over it. I don't feel that strongly about it. I just wanted to give some insight as to why I downvoted, since someone asked." CreationDate="2018-09-25T19:38:21.893" UserId="119745" />
  <row Id="17234" PostId="3902" Score="12" Text="Briefly addressing the actual question here directly: no, there is not a rewording of the question that will make it appropriate for MathOverflow in the near future. As for other forums, you can always start a blog. :-) But my personal advice would be to resist the temptation to pay this too much attention right now." CreationDate="2018-09-24T22:49:43.017" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17235" PostId="3902" Score="4" Text="Further, I am going to clean up this page slightly, deleting answers which are address the manuscript, talk, or proof, rather than the MathOverflow policy on this matter." CreationDate="2018-09-24T22:50:53.330" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17240" PostId="3902" Score="40" Text="If we have a special event in honor of Dr. Trimble, will that too be a Todd Function?" CreationDate="2018-09-25T06:44:07.860" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17242" PostId="3902" Score="29" Text="@Asaf, I trimble at the thought." CreationDate="2018-09-25T07:25:21.150" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17243" PostId="3902" Score="0" Text="Just as a practical matter, what should we do if another question on this pops up on MO?  Point a link to this and vote to close?  Leave it to the moderators?" CreationDate="2018-09-25T07:41:06.167" UserId="3711" />
  <row Id="17244" PostId="3902" Score="1" Text="@arsmath I put a link to this and voted to close." CreationDate="2018-09-25T08:21:06.300" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="17246" PostId="3902" Score="2" Text="@arsmath You could also flag for attention." CreationDate="2018-09-25T10:20:39.140" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17291" PostId="3902" Score="2" Text="the reference to &quot;conspiracy theorists&quot; seems a bit ridiculous. the conspiracy theorist probably couldnt care less about the affair or math in general. on other hand there might be a bigger issue of tabloids writing some Perelman-like articles on Atiyah in the not too distant future... at least you guys tried to address the issue more directly with this public statement &amp; do appreciate the effort on that." CreationDate="2018-09-28T18:23:35.947" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="17318" PostId="3902" Score="3" Text="With many of the most interesting questions on MO, the truth is, we don't know at the moment of raising them whether they can be authoritatively addressed and on how many pages. Still, many of them turn out to can, while many of the rest have generated interesting discussions and observations. I agree, of course, with the main point of the statement. (And none of this takes away anything from Atiyah's accomplishments.)" CreationDate="2018-09-30T09:41:50.297" UserId="26522" />
  <row Id="17320" PostId="3902" Score="7" Text="Just wanted to say WELL DONE to the moderators for the way they've handled this. I don't know anything at all about the situation here, but it's clearly a tricky issue... Reading the discussion here, and the statement above, I really appreciate the considered and thoughtful way that things have been dealt with." CreationDate="2018-10-01T12:18:35.370" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="17346" PostId="3902" Score="0" Text="re mod TT _&quot;I think this one is for the blogs, if anyone wants to take it up&quot;._ then allow a few refs! oops, some mathematical bloggers such as Woit/ Tao _et al_ have opted for total silence/ near blackout. think it would have been so much better if there had been some prior alert by insiders. filling the vacuum, very thorough bkg/ links on the affair https://vzn1.wordpress.com/2018/09/26/atiyah-riemann-attack-post-mortem-autopsy-primes-torch-carried-on/" CreationDate="2018-10-03T20:26:33.690" UserId="20793" />
  <row Id="17261" PostId="3904" Score="4" Text="I don’t think either question is at an appropriate level for MO." CreationDate="2018-09-26T13:22:35.903" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17263" PostId="3904" Score="0" Text="@Andy, can you expand on this? What aspect of these questions is not right for MathOverflow? Gerhard &quot;Can Misunderstand On Many Levels&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.26." CreationDate="2018-09-26T15:06:23.997" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17264" PostId="3904" Score="8" Text="They're both extremely vague, and basically asking someone to write a survey of an entire huge area.  In addition, the question about 3-manifolds is completely unreasonable -- geometrization is the main tool that people have used to study the 3-manifold classification problem for the past 30-40 years.  Rather than complain that he doesn't like it, the OP should learn it if he wants to have any understanding of modern 3-manifold topology." CreationDate="2018-09-26T15:40:29.320" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17267" PostId="3904" Score="5" Text="Good MO questions are *specific* questions, and not general ones about entire areas of research -- basically regardless of &quot;how&quot; the latter are asked." CreationDate="2018-09-26T22:24:48.547" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17270" PostId="3904" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl That feature of MO I do not like, that only _specific_ questions can be asked. So I can ask technical question, that I encounter problem X in my reasoning, or I do not know how to get from point A to point B. But I cannot ask general question about which way should I go. Or &quot;why most of the people go this way and not that&quot; ?&#xA;Exactly, I would like to go some other way than most people are going. Why I cannot do that ? And why I cannot discuss possible ways on MO ? Who decided that questions should be _specific_ ? I am also co-owner of MO, as I found out on another topic. Therefore" CreationDate="2018-09-27T07:28:15.673" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="17271" PostId="3904" Score="0" Text="... Therefore my voice matters here as well. Regards, Here is response from Francois, where he is saying that I can feel co-owner MO: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3454/donations-to-mathoverflow-inc#comment15193_3454" CreationDate="2018-09-27T07:29:27.090" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="17273" PostId="3904" Score="8" Text="@MarekMitros: You may not like it, but the long-standing consensus here is that allowing free-flowing discussion and vague, open-ended questions would damage MO.  Our goal is not to meet all mathematical needs; if one of yours is not being met, then there are many other websites/blogs on the internet." CreationDate="2018-09-27T14:06:41.717" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17272" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="Thank you for this answer - it is nice try. Note that I do not want to ask for existing survey. This might be mentioned in the question or in the answer. I do not want to criticize existing progress or achievements in these areas. I want to ask for possible other ways to go forward. The requirement that I should first do my own effort before I can ask the question is sometimes comic in my opinion. Surely I can survive without asking the question. If however I have asked the quesion, it means that I would like to hear opinion or answer of other persons. I regret that it is not possible here..." CreationDate="2018-09-27T08:29:27.683" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="17274" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="Some surveys include directions for further research and lists for open problems. However, if you are indeed looking for someone to create a post summarizing research directions, that is close to writing a survey. Still more than intended for this forum.  Gerhard &quot;We Do Brief Answers Here&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.27." CreationDate="2018-09-27T14:36:46.913" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17280" PostId="3905" Score="6" Text="@Marek, I am now getting that you are asking for/about conjectural approaches to broad areas of research. (Sorry for not understanding that before.) That is definitely not MathOverflow. Again, if you have a specific idea and want to phrase it as a reference request, that might work. If you want a digital version of sitting at a pub with experts and spitballing ideas, well, go pub hopping.  Gerhard &quot;Or You Start A Blog&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.27." CreationDate="2018-09-27T18:46:20.260" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17283" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="Do you know pub in Warsaw where mathematicians meet ?" CreationDate="2018-09-28T10:07:23.280" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="17284" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="Sorry. I've heard of cafe Skoca (or Scottish Cafe) in Lwow, which was famous for that sort of thing. You might ask at a local university for places where the lecturers lift a mug. Forgive my omission of accent marks.  Gerhard &quot;Has Never Been To Poland&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.28." CreationDate="2018-09-28T14:21:14.220" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17321" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="Yes, I heard legends about notes made directly on the table with pencil. Participants asked the personnel not to remove them in order not to loose some important proof of theorem. As a result Łucja Banach - wife of the mathematician - bought thick notebook - now known as Scottish Book. Regards. Marek &quot;Has Been in Pub Few Times&quot; Mitros" CreationDate="2018-10-01T12:49:17.843" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="17275" PostId="3906" Score="1" Text="I will just point out that [China-Hong Kong's profile](https://mathoverflow.net/users/25947/china-hong-kong?tab=profile) says &quot;Last seen 2 hours ago&quot; and [Sangkyu Kim's profile](https://mathoverflow.net/users/52944/sangkyu-kim?tab=profile) says &quot;Last seen 2 days ago&quot;. So it's not exactly true that &quot;they haven't been active for years.&quot; (They have not posted anything on MO for some time, but they have visited the site.) But regardless of this, the question about asking clarification of an older post is a reasonable question for MathOverflow Meta." CreationDate="2018-09-27T16:20:16.563" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17276" PostId="3906" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Oh, I think I had too quickly concluded that they are inactive by seeing Sb's Recent activity in mobile app. Maybe I woke them up this year(they did no actions for a year)?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T16:25:52.297" UserId="128168" />
  <row Id="17277" PostId="3906" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak you gave me hope to wait, thanks:)" CreationDate="2018-09-27T16:26:43.157" UserId="128168" />
  <row Id="17278" PostId="3906" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Well, do you think it is too trivial to ask &quot;what are properties of euler-chi function?&quot; on mathoverflow?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T16:32:16.037" UserId="128168" />
  <row Id="17279" PostId="3906" Score="1" Text="Based on what I have seen, yes, it is too trivial: in the post the chi is defined in terms of zeta, and so you would be expected to derive the properties of chi knowing zeta. Your original question has some interest, but do a bit more research before posting it here.  See if you can find a paper or text which approaches the question.  If you can't, someone might be able suggest one. When you do post, indicate not only this meta question but also your original post.  Gerhard &quot;You Might Try Wolfram Alpha&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.27." CreationDate="2018-09-27T18:39:37.497" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17281" PostId="3907" Score="0" Text="I can accept that democracy is sometimes wrong :) On the other hand questions like this: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/115735/groups-that-do-not-exist or this: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/99736/beautiful-descriptions-of-exceptional-groups are accepted here !? Do you have explanation for this ?" CreationDate="2018-09-28T05:15:49.293" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="17282" PostId="3907" Score="4" Text="Those two questions were posted in 2012, which is several generations ago, in MO-years. They might not fare so well, @Marek, were they posted today." CreationDate="2018-09-28T06:10:34.833" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17285" PostId="3907" Score="5" Text="@MarekMitros &quot;I can accept that democracy is sometimes wrong :)&quot; Can you accept that **you** may be wrong? At some point you need to acknowledge that it is reasonable to have a site whose focus is rather more limited than you want it to be. (There is a separate question of *consistency* - and there is an undeniable and problematic point that (i) standards at MO change over time and more unfortunately (ii) these standards are not uniformly enforced - but that's separate from the general issue that you need to recognize that the MO community will sometimes diverge from you and that that's fine.)" CreationDate="2018-09-28T14:33:31.717" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="17319" PostId="3907" Score="0" Text="@NoahSchweber I am sorry if I am expressing my feelings too strong here. The thing is that down-voting of my question here has unpleasant psychological impact. I feel like I am attacked here, so I try to defend. I think it is not a matter who is right and who is wrong. Meta MO is forum is the place to discuss issues like &quot;why some questions are closed&quot; here. Note there are three upvotings on my question here. Besides you are answering what I have written in comments and not what I have asked in the question. Is your answer: &quot;There is no way to ask general questions about research on MO&quot; ?" CreationDate="2018-10-01T09:30:39.310" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="17286" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="I do not have the rights to see into this, but generally I do not like when well-recieved questions get deleted. This should be usually undone. Unless there is something here, but then you should be able to see that." CreationDate="2018-09-28T16:03:36.197" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="17287" PostId="3908" Score="2" Text="It's now undeleted." CreationDate="2018-09-28T17:01:03.353" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17288" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: well, I was one those voting to undelete it, but I still wonder what was the reason for deleting it..." CreationDate="2018-09-28T17:24:59.100" UserId="9924" />
  <row Id="17289" PostId="3908" Score="4" Text="I think all you can do is ask. The site mods have no behind-the-scenes insight here." CreationDate="2018-09-28T17:33:45.040" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17292" PostId="3908" Score="10" Text="@ToddTrimble This problem has imposed by someone to me for doing research on it. Today he told me that he did not allowed me to present the problem to others. So I deleted the question and informed him. Sorry for this mistake, but I ask the moderators to agree with my decision." CreationDate="2018-09-28T20:55:40.677" UserId="51663" />
  <row Id="17293" PostId="3908" Score="2" Text="@Mostafa Let me take a look. In general we discourage self-deletions, but there can be extenuating circumstances. Please check very carefully next time -- thanks." CreationDate="2018-09-28T22:02:45.640" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17294" PostId="3908" Score="6" Text="Okay, I've deleted it.  Please know that I am loath to delete *especially* those questions that have already received upvoted answers. Luckily it had not been answered yet." CreationDate="2018-09-28T22:04:50.740" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17295" PostId="3908" Score="10" Text="@Mostafa In case you aren't aware of it, this problem has appeared in print before. Yuster has a paper on it and attributes it to Caro https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6f3b/d8ad6ece6cc594bbe78174d7f94918ad9653.pdf In particular Alon and Lovasz and other mathematicians from that circle have looked at this problem. It still remains open, and maybe it hasn't had much visibility, but I though of letting you know that it has a small history." CreationDate="2018-09-28T23:46:56.930" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="17296" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="@GjergjiZaimi Thanks for the references. I didn't find any reference myself." CreationDate="2018-09-29T02:46:05.007" UserId="51663" />
  <row Id="17298" PostId="3908" Score="3" Text="@GjergjiZaimi: The problem considered by Yuster (following Alon et al) is actually subtly different: he seeks a vector $v\in\mathbb F_p^n$ such that all coordinates of $Av$ are non-zero, *and* all coordinates of $v$ are in $\{0,1\}$." CreationDate="2018-09-29T10:52:15.237" UserId="9924" />
  <row Id="17299" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="@Mostafa: Please, see my previous comment." CreationDate="2018-09-29T10:53:48.147" UserId="9924" />
  <row Id="17301" PostId="3908" Score="5" Text="I think moderators should ask the user (hoping there is a way) for reason to delete the question before reversing that delete done by user... I think to undelete with out inquiring about the reason seems to be not a good idea.. This does not mean I think well received question can be  deleted..." CreationDate="2018-09-29T13:02:38.583" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17302" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="@Seva problem 1.2 in that paper is exactly Mostafa's problem." CreationDate="2018-09-29T16:11:06.280" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="17303" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="@GjergjiZaimi: not exactly, as far as I can see. Mostafa wants $x\in\mathbb F_p^n$ such that $Ax$ has all its entries distinct from $0$, Yuster wants this $x$ to reside in $\{0,1\}^n\subset\mathbb F_p^n$. (In fact, $x$ is the indicator vector of a $p$-NZDS.) Agreed?" CreationDate="2018-09-29T16:27:41.140" UserId="9924" />
  <row Id="17305" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="@Seva His language is a bit confusing. After defining $p-$NZDS in the first paragraph, he then redefines them in the general case of an arbitrary function $d$, which I interpreted as not necessarily $0,1$ valued. Theorem 1.1 answers Mostafa's first question which was answered by David here, and it seemed natural that problem 1.2 is to be interpreted in the general sense of a $p-$NZDF in the terminology he uses, meaning arbitrary symmetric $\{0,1\}$ matrix with 1's on diagonal, and arbitrary function $d:G\to \mathbb F_p$." CreationDate="2018-09-29T16:51:42.480" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="17306" PostId="3908" Score="1" Text="@GjergjiZaimi: Well, not sure about this interpretation; see also http://www.openproblemgarden.org/op/a_nowhere_zero_point_in_a_linear_mapping" CreationDate="2018-09-29T17:12:28.010" UserId="9924" />
  <row Id="17307" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="@Seva In the beginning of page 2, in the general case he says &quot;The subset of vertices with $d(v)\neq 0$ is the $p$-NZDS in this case&quot;. What convinces me is 1) the mention of Sutner's paper and 2) Prop 1.1 and the remarks after it, saying that Alon-Lovasz's example is not a 0,1 matrix. So it is natural that the follow up question is &quot;can we construct such a 0,1 matrix?&quot;. If we could, we would have a counterexample, a graph with no $p$-NZDS in the general sense above." CreationDate="2018-09-29T17:22:08.643" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="17308" PostId="3908" Score="1" Text="@GjergjiZaimi To add to my previous comment. At the end of page 2, Yuster writes: &quot;The first nontrivial family of graphs for which the answer to Problem 1.2 has been shown true is the family of trees.&quot; If we interpret Problem 1.2 your way, then Problem 1.2 is trivial for the trees: take a leaf away, find an appropriate vector $x\in\mathbb F_p^{n-1}$ for the resulting graph, and you will always be able to append a coordinate to it for the leaf that has been taken away to keep the property in question." CreationDate="2018-09-29T17:22:45.927" UserId="9924" />
  <row Id="17309" PostId="3908" Score="1" Text="@GjergjiZaimi: one final &quot;disclaimer&quot;. Yuster and myself are, essentially, in the same department, and I hope to talk to him about this problem soon (but maybe not next week as I will be travelling)." CreationDate="2018-09-29T17:25:07.183" UserId="9924" />
  <row Id="17310" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="@Seva I feel bad for spamming the comments here, I was going to add this to the original question, and I wish it was still up, for visibility if anything, since I really liked the question. I look forward to hearing if Yuster knows of any updates on the problem!" CreationDate="2018-09-29T17:27:55.070" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="17311" PostId="3908" Score="1" Text="@GjergjiZaimi: addressing your last comment: I agree that he is speaking about zero-one matrices, but I believe he also speaks about nowhere-zero input vectors, while Mostafa does not insist theinput  vector to be nowhere-zero." CreationDate="2018-09-29T17:27:59.373" UserId="9924" />
  <row Id="17312" PostId="3908" Score="7" Text="@PraphullaKoushik It was ordinary users who undeleted the question. Not site moderators." CreationDate="2018-09-29T18:41:01.970" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17314" PostId="3908" Score="3" Text="@GjergjiZaimi: Quoting from an e-mail message I received from Yuster, *Well, Zaimi is right that the problem 1.2 is for any vector $x$ (not just a 0-1 vector) see the definition in line 4 of Page 2. &#xA;&#xA;But you are right that since I quote Caro and Jacobson, then the special case where we require 0-1 is what they looked at in that paper. Also, my proof uses only 0-1 in the vector. &#xA;&#xA;In any case, as far as I know, even the less restrictive version (where you allow $x$ to be arbitrary) is open.*" CreationDate="2018-09-30T01:40:55.963" UserId="9924" />
  <row Id="17315" PostId="3908" Score="1" Text="@Seva Thank you for all this (and for the link to Devos's problem in openproblemgarden as well)!" CreationDate="2018-09-30T01:49:12.123" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="17316" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I thought it is only moderators who can do that... my comment can be directed towards who have un deleted the question... who ever has done that could have asked... that is what I mean.." CreationDate="2018-09-30T02:13:59.513" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17324" PostId="3908" Score="9" Text="The question needs to be undeleted. The comments being longer than the question and stating several partial results and proofs, it should be clear that at this point the question no longer belongs just to the author. Compare it with the case of a question that has received an upvoted answer." CreationDate="2018-10-02T04:26:31.323" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="17326" PostId="3908" Score="5" Text="@darijgrinberg I suggest that another user ask this question in MO and add a summery of relevant material obtained so far." CreationDate="2018-10-02T07:59:13.693" UserId="51663" />
  <row Id="17313" PostId="3910" Score="0" Text="Going out on a conjectural limb here: &quot;watch tag&quot; starts a subscription, which you can then remove/alter with &quot;manage subscription&quot;. I can only guess what &quot;ignore tag&quot; does. Gerhard &quot;Wait! Don't Press THAT Button!&quot; Paseman, 2018.09.29." CreationDate="2018-09-29T21:58:26.910" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17368" PostId="3911" Score="0" Text="I have not received any email from my filters since several days. What about you? Have you heard about a problem?" CreationDate="2018-10-10T09:08:50.440" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="17369" PostId="3911" Score="0" Text="@SebastienPalcoux I have set up the subscriptions only for a few days to test them - after that I cancelled them. But before I unsubscribed, I have received several emails. First idea that comes to mind - have you tried checking whether your email client does not put them into the spam folder?" CreationDate="2018-10-10T09:42:07.190" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17370" PostId="3911" Score="0" Text="It is not in the spam folder. This happens in the same time that this update of the tag feature (before that I received emails from filters almost every day since several years), perhaps there is a bug." CreationDate="2018-10-10T09:53:08.617" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="17371" PostId="3911" Score="1" Text="@SebastienPalcoux In order to test this I have set up a few subscriptions in my account again: https://stackexchange.com/users/267077/martin-sleziak?tab=subscriptions I will be able to confirm tomorrow whether I have received email or not. Have you checked the box &quot;Do you want email updates when new questions arrive in this filter?&quot; in the setting of filter? Have you clicked on the link in the confirmation email you received after this?" CreationDate="2018-10-10T10:13:35.213" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17372" PostId="3911" Score="0" Text="Yes for all your questions." CreationDate="2018-10-10T10:28:38.393" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="17378" PostId="3911" Score="1" Text="Ir seems that it works for the new subscriptions, but no more for the subscription made before the new feature." CreationDate="2018-10-11T20:04:40.280" UserId="34538" />
  <row Id="17382" PostId="3911" Score="1" Text="@SebastienPalcoux I can confirm that I received email notification for the *filters* where I set up subscriptions. (Not all of them, only those ones that actually had some questions.) As I did not have email notification for tag subscriptions before the recent changes, I cannot check that one. Maybe it would be worth a but report - I have found only this, which is relatively recent, but it is already marked (status-completed): [I stopped receiving tag filter subscription notification emails](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/313237)." CreationDate="2018-10-14T02:30:30.573" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17383" PostId="3911" Score="1" Text="@SebastienPalcoux Here is a [short discussion in chat](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7302540#7302540) about the issue. We will see how the SE staff reacts to [the recent comment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313237/i-stopped-receiving-tag-filter-subscription-notification-emails#comment1037748_313278)." CreationDate="2018-10-14T08:42:05.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17390" PostId="3911" Score="0" Text="@SebastienPalcoux According to the comments under the answer [I linked before](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313237/i-stopped-receiving-tag-filter-subscription-notification-emails/313278#313278) the bug should now be fixed. I hope it starts working for you." CreationDate="2018-10-18T00:38:52.793" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17323" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="this is not a bug, but my own misunderstanding; apologies for the misleading tag &quot;bug&quot;." CreationDate="2018-10-01T14:07:19.083" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="17328" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="So maybe if in the hindsight it seems that (bug) is not exactly right tag for this question, perhaps you could simply change it to (support) which is probably more suitable. (I have also [asked in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2018/10/1) whether it might be a good idea to introduce (daily-reputation-limit) tag here on meta - I think it's quite likely that there will be other questions about this topic so the tag might be useful. So far, I have received no response there.)" CreationDate="2018-10-02T08:32:10.640" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17334" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="done, for some reason I cannot omit &quot;bug&quot; entirely, have to replace it by &quot;support&quot; or &quot;feature request&quot; --- &quot;support&quot; is not quite right, but certainly better than bug -- thanks." CreationDate="2018-10-02T15:29:54.020" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="17337" PostId="3912" Score="1" Text="It **is** a bug --- specifically, a user interface bug: the user interface does not make it sufficiently clear what is going on and leaves people with doubts." CreationDate="2018-10-02T20:01:51.657" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17338" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="and I suggest re-tagging it as bug, because otherwise the SE staff will never see this thread." CreationDate="2018-10-03T06:41:12.413" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17330" PostId="3916" Score="0" Text="In general, I think that requests for surveys of topics will be poorly received and closed as &quot;too broad&quot; unless they are extremely tightly focused (and probably not phrased as a request for a survey)." CreationDate="2018-10-02T14:54:37.523" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17332" PostId="3916" Score="0" Text="It is possible he means ask for references to existing surveys.  However, to me this does not quite fit as a comment summary, and as an interpretation I find it a little wide of the mark. Gerhard &quot;Hopefully Mark Will Clarify Further&quot; Paseman, 2018.10.02." CreationDate="2018-10-02T15:09:34.773" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17335" PostId="3916" Score="0" Text="I corrected the answer and I accepted it, because I like it the most from existing three answers. I hope it is OK, to accept my own answer according to MO rules. If I understand idiom &quot;wide of the mark&quot;, it means that I am not accurate, right ?" CreationDate="2018-10-02T19:01:42.870" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="17336" PostId="3916" Score="1" Text="Indeed, it does mean not accurate (like shooting an arrow).  Sorry for the idiom. Your first version seemed (to me) less accurate than this version.  And really, accuracy is not as important as capturing the intent. This version (at the moment ) does a better job at getting the intent of the comments right. Don't worry about accepting your own answer; that is your right as question proposer.  Gerhard &quot;Thank You For Contributing Here&quot; Paseman, 2018.10.02." CreationDate="2018-10-02T19:16:23.497" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17329" PostId="3919" Score="4" Text="Thanks for the response. Let me just say that I disagree with the last sentence - about &quot;poor communication&quot;. I was under the impression that most likely explanation is that the moderator in question resigned - in which case some kind of announcement would probably be reasonable. Since from your answer it seems that so far there was no response from him and it is possible that this is just temporary, I think the things have been handled perfectly fine. In any case, at least now we know what the current situation is - in case some other users notice this and are curious about the reasons." CreationDate="2018-10-02T12:32:46.030" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17331" PostId="3919" Score="5" Text="The user page for Mariano suggests he has been away for half a year.  Without prying into his personal affairs, I would like to send him regards and either know to look forward to his return, or wish him well on his journey away from MathOverflow.  Can someone forward this message to him, and/or let us know his status?  Gerhard &quot;Hopes Mathematics Sees His Return&quot; Paseman, 2018.10.02." CreationDate="2018-10-02T15:03:55.113" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17333" PostId="3919" Score="8" Text="In some sense, that's an argument for regularly moderator elections." CreationDate="2018-10-02T15:10:44.187" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="17348" PostId="3919" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman: Mariano's page says that his latest login was on September 25th." CreationDate="2018-10-04T14:40:32.773" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="17339" PostId="3920" Score="8" Text="Is the preprint on the arXiv?" CreationDate="2018-10-03T10:47:17.323" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17340" PostId="3920" Score="19" Text="When sent to you for refereeing, the manuscript should be considered confidential.  If the preprint is available for some other reason, then go ahead and cite it." CreationDate="2018-10-03T12:21:03.337" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="17341" PostId="3920" Score="4" Text="You can probably find a bunch of somewhat related questions on Academia. For example: [May I discuss a paper I have only seen as a referee?](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/72973) or [How to use results/ideas from a paper I reviewed?](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/72180)" CreationDate="2018-10-03T13:04:43.740" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17342" PostId="3920" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble This was asked out of general concern rather than a specific case, but the arXiv does seem like a good barometer." CreationDate="2018-10-03T15:32:18.230" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="17343" PostId="3920" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar Got it, much appreciated." CreationDate="2018-10-03T15:32:38.993" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="17344" PostId="3920" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks for the links, I'll snoop around over there next time I have a question of this nature." CreationDate="2018-10-03T15:33:31.287" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="17345" PostId="3920" Score="4" Text="Note that now it's easy to deduce you are the referee, even if you refer to the arxiv version. :)" CreationDate="2018-10-03T18:54:08.743" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17353" PostId="3920" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I'll be holding my tongue (or fingers as it were) on this one regardless, but good call. :)" CreationDate="2018-10-04T23:09:53.397" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="17355" PostId="3922" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure the analogy really holds. Moderators here are more akin to high ranking civil servants than members of parliament." CreationDate="2018-10-05T22:56:07.990" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17358" PostId="3922" Score="10" Text="No analogy was made, rather it was claimed (implicitly) that for reasons not specific to context (i.e. independent of the putative analogy) changes should be made to management (whatever the context). In any case, surely high ranking civil servants should be rotated too. It's rarely healthy to have the same under secretary of scientific research forever. Changes in management, at more or less regular intervals, are standard in most institutions, big and small, that have functioned well for a long time. (In no way am I criticizing current moderation, which seems to me fine.)" CreationDate="2018-10-06T08:17:14.410" UserId="9471" />
  <row Id="17361" PostId="3923" Score="3" Text="I am not sure what you mean here. Are the questions and answers here that much easier to read that math in other sources?" CreationDate="2018-10-09T10:26:00.817" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="17362" PostId="3923" Score="18" Text="I am glad for your enthusiasm, but &quot;popularizing&quot; is not really how I view MO because the level is pretty high. (I'd think YouTube series like Numberphile, 3Blue1Brown, and Mathologer go much further in the popularizing direction.) I guess what we can hope for is that MO provides a *congenial* place to discuss mathematics for those already at the high level, something like a tea room where mathematics is discussed." CreationDate="2018-10-09T11:54:04.147" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17363" PostId="3923" Score="7" Text="This is not really a question, and certainly not a question about the functioning of mathoverflow (which is the purpose of meta).  I have voted to close." CreationDate="2018-10-09T15:02:52.540" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17365" PostId="3923" Score="3" Text="@MarekMitros Whether to close I'll leave to others, but don't berate yourself over this. Enthusiasm is usually a good thing -- especially when combined with realistic expectations." CreationDate="2018-10-09T16:25:14.433" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17373" PostId="3923" Score="1" Text="We do not agree, but it is a question about MO... Even if badly formulated. It does not deserve to be closed." CreationDate="2018-10-10T11:41:11.383" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="17377" PostId="3923" Score="7" Text="Of course popularization of mathematics is good, but *not every good thing needs to be part of the role of this site*. Indeed, a lot of the value of this site comes from the fact that it has a rather narrow focus. And for what it's worth, I second Tobias' comment: for me, the vast majority of MO questions/answers are completely impenetrable, and that's fine." CreationDate="2018-10-11T16:40:41.173" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="17374" PostId="3924" Score="0" Text="I do not find understanding here, so I will not be discussing any more. Just few thoughts. Even mathematicians need other human beings to share their thoughts or exchange ideas. Publishing of mathematical works is for the purpose the others read it. If no one reads it then there is no point for publishing. Second thing is that mathematicians should not be closed for external world. Prof. Heller is philosopher and physicist.I tried to present his ideas that science needs to communicate in order to develop. I tried to present it here-without success. Finally down-voting and closing questions has" CreationDate="2018-10-11T14:28:05.383" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="17375" PostId="3924" Score="0" Text="...has very bad psychological impact on author of the question. That is why maybe facebook does not have down voting. You can only &quot;like&quot; someone's entry there - as far as I know. I use FB only occasionally. Please consider removing down-voting. However I will not add this suggestion on meta, because for sure it will be closed or deleted by the authorities." CreationDate="2018-10-11T14:31:00.913" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="17376" PostId="3924" Score="6" Text="MathOverflow has by design a limited scope.   Members of the community may pursue other projects outside the forum, but it is a question and answer forum, not a discussion forum or a blog or a wiki.  If it were one of the latter, it would be harder to achieve the purpose of getting answers to specific questions. By limiting it to this primary function, MathOverflow has continued into the start of its tenth year.  As I once did, I suspect you want to turn it into much more.  This may risk the viability of the forum and community.  Gerhard &quot;Here To Answer, Not Discuss&quot; Paseman, 2018.10.11." CreationDate="2018-10-11T14:36:59.933" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17384" PostId="3926" Score="7" Text="You've left out a bit – it's actually &quot;Up vote 100 answers on questions where an answer of yours has a positive score.&quot; It has nothing to do with asking questions, only with answering them, and voting up answers other people have posted to questions you have also answered." CreationDate="2018-10-15T06:49:47.577" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17386" PostId="3926" Score="0" Text="@Gerry Thank you. Now I understand." CreationDate="2018-10-15T08:50:27.940" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="17385" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="Thank you Now I understand." CreationDate="2018-10-15T08:49:50.683" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="17387" PostId="3927" Score="1" Text="As I read the description, you don't need 100 answers yourself -- upvoting $n$ competing answers to the same question counts $n$ times towards the 100. -- Or am I mistaken?" CreationDate="2018-10-15T10:57:00.310" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17388" PostId="3927" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Thanks for the correction - I have edited the post. I have checked the following question to make sure that it is indeed as you write. [Are upvotes on competing posts counted per question or per answer for Sportsmanship?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/105637) (Some of the [linked questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/105637) might be of interest, too.)" CreationDate="2018-10-15T11:01:31.637" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17389" PostId="3927" Score="2" Text="@Stefan, so that would mean all you have to do is answer a question that already has 100 answers, wait for someone to give it an upvote, and then upvote all those other answers." CreationDate="2018-10-15T11:01:46.197" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17395" PostId="3928" Score="4" Text="If the author had applied \mathsf or even \text to make the typeface closer to the rest of the text it wouldn't be so bad...  :-P but anything that can be done by markdown should never be done by MathJax. Getting colour like this is creative, and not otherwise obtainable, afaik, so I'm torn." CreationDate="2018-10-18T13:13:25.957" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17396" PostId="3928" Score="0" Text="Eg $\color{red}{\textsf{Question}}$ from `\color{red}{\textsf{Question}}` but the size is not right.." CreationDate="2018-10-18T13:23:06.477" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17399" PostId="3928" Score="5" Text="A website is better to have a homogeneous typography style." CreationDate="2018-10-18T14:29:19.987" UserId="53059" />
  <row Id="17412" PostId="3928" Score="10" Text="It may be worth mentioning that the post has now been edited to remove the offending MathJax.  (I was a bit puzzled when I went to see what the fuss was about, until I looked at the edit history.)" CreationDate="2018-10-18T16:08:19.717" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17449" PostId="3928" Score="1" Text="I had cause to do exactly the abuse in my previous comment, here: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/313527/progress-towards-a-computational-interpretation-of-the-univalence-axiom#comment782107_313527 as there is a proof assistant whose correctly formatted name involves half of the letters coloured red." CreationDate="2018-10-24T21:44:36.640" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17454" PostId="3928" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts I don't like it either. I more or less agree with [this article](http://www.theslot.com/webnames.html) on this kind of stunts in logos and names." CreationDate="2018-10-25T07:56:55.910" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17405" PostId="3929" Score="3" Text="Are you actually asking about protocol or writing a callout thread? I think that when users disagree on the way a question is presented a calm discussion in meta is a good place for it, and that this is what has usually happened. In any case, I do not agree that one edit each constitutes an &quot;edit war&quot;." CreationDate="2018-10-18T15:37:13.773" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="17410" PostId="3929" Score="0" Text="@MikeMiller I already opened another meta thread (linked) to discuss the *content* of the issue. The same thing happened twice already, and I am writing to ask what I should do if it happens a third time. I believe that the timing of the edits and reverts is important here (as argued in the question), so it would be good for me to have a policy on what to do in future." CreationDate="2018-10-18T15:54:28.563" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17416" PostId="3929" Score="2" Text="I realize that it is difficult (for me in the first place) to keep the discussion on this incident separate from the general &quot;what to do&quot; question. My proposal is that I let it cool off, and one week from now I try to write a completely new meta question that tries to be detached from this issue and describes the problem a more general setting. I have voted to close this question as &quot;unclear what you are asking&quot;. (I didn't even know the author of a question could vote to close it!)" CreationDate="2018-10-18T16:26:55.150" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17417" PostId="3929" Score="0" Text="It was my intuition precisely because of the other thread that the purpose of this was to double down and fan the flames, as posting the other thread already seemed to be &quot;proper protocol&quot; to me. However, I take you at your word that it was not (and apologize for the accusation). I think that a more general question would be of use to this website as a pointer for future conflicts and look forward to it." CreationDate="2018-10-18T16:39:35.350" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="17420" PostId="3929" Score="0" Text="If you will forgive the irony, I applaud the idea of waiting a week, then editing the question to include your meditation that week on the pertinent issues. Most of us will be here to help after a week.  Gerhard &quot;Does Gazing At Other Navels&quot; Paseman, 2018.10.18." CreationDate="2018-10-18T17:18:56.767" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17421" PostId="3929" Score="3" Text="There is a FAQ post on this meta: [Editing etiquette](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2208#2209). Todd Trimble wrote in his answer: &quot;If simple polite communication doesn't work and you find yourselves at an impasse, you can flag for moderator attention to help resolve the dispute.&quot; If there are many edits on a post, mod-attention flag is automatically raised: [Put an end to rollback wars](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/75906) and [What causes a post to be auto-flagged for many edits more than once?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/228979)" CreationDate="2018-10-18T17:40:30.200" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17425" PostId="3929" Score="3" Text="@Federico Poloni: From what kind of 'harm' are you talking? What's bad if a question gets attention?" CreationDate="2018-10-19T04:59:43.093" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="17428" PostId="3929" Score="0" Text="@tj_ It's not creating attention from nowhere, it's taking it away from other posts. It's the same kind of 'harm' that ads  and sponsored content do, in my view." CreationDate="2018-10-19T07:20:25.837" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17398" PostId="3930" Score="7" Text="Mathjax is a library to display mathematical notation. Using it to write text in red instead of black is &quot;[improper, incorrect, or excessive use; misuse](https://www.wordreference.com/definition/abuse)&quot;, in my view. Do you have a less emotionally loaded word to suggest to indicate that this is not the usage Mathjax was meant for?" CreationDate="2018-10-18T14:28:47.660" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17400" PostId="3930" Score="2" Text="Also, your pre-prints metaphor is interesting. I would argue that a more fitting version is that a post on my own blog is like a pre-print, where I am allowed to use the style that I prefer. But posting on this site is more like a journal article, where there is a prescribed house style and one is not allowed to write the title of their paper in a larger font so that it is more visible than the other articles in the same issue." CreationDate="2018-10-18T14:33:02.590" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17403" PostId="3930" Score="12" Text="@FedericoPoloni &quot;one is not allowed to write the title of their paper in a larger font so that it is more visible than the other articles in the same issue.&quot; **I didn't write my title larger**, and I strongly object to the insinuation that I did. The formatting you object to is *inside* my answer, and is in no way analogous to the situation you describe since for anyone to see it they would have to *already* be reading my question. You seem committed to this picture of me trying to steal attention away from other questions; that's simply not true, and I'm rather put off by it." CreationDate="2018-10-18T15:12:17.117" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="17404" PostId="3930" Score="2" Text="@Federico, I agree that there is an issue here, and I suspect it is social in nature. It is apparent to me that it is important to you, and I think it should be discussed.  However, this is the fourth comment in this post, and I already see the beginning of the flame war. If both sides take a breath, apologize to one another, (or backpedal, or whatever), we can try again to find the problem and discuss it, with both emotion and consideration for the other side. Gerhard &quot;Thus My Reframing Of Issue&quot; Paseman, 2018.10.18." CreationDate="2018-10-18T15:34:31.090" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17406" PostId="3930" Score="3" Text="@NoahSchweber I see your point; I recognize that &quot;writing the title larger&quot; is an inappropriate metaphor, and I apologize for the insinuation and for my heated tone. I still think that a red text attracts more attention than a black one, though. If you wish, a more fitting metaphor is writing a section header in red. It only affects readers who are already casually browsing that page, I agree, but it *is* something that is there only to attract attention." CreationDate="2018-10-18T15:46:10.517" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17407" PostId="3930" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni I still don't think I agree, but I certainly don't object as much. My goal actually was somewhat the opposite: I wanted to make the question easily *skimmable*, so someone could scroll through quickly and say &quot;Oh, the question has [shape],&quot; and then become more confident in their level of interest - either decide to read the question in detail, or realize it's not worth their time. This is why I don't think it was abusive in quite the way you're describing (and certainly adding a bounty is a more effective way of drawing attention). (cont'd)" CreationDate="2018-10-18T15:49:26.050" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="17408" PostId="3930" Score="9" Text="Regardless, your point about screen readers was completely surprising to me and obviously absolutely convincing: I didn't think at all about the problems my formatting would cause someone using a device of that kind. (That said, I think we do have a contentful disagreement over the extent of authorial freedom; for what it's worth, if not for the screen reader issue I think my response would have been to open a meta thread asking what community consensus was, and in the meantime side with the author, but I understand (I think) your position.)" CreationDate="2018-10-18T15:50:56.523" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="17409" PostId="3930" Score="7" Text="I also apologize for my own strong tone; I was caught off guard by this (although obviously that's not an excuse). I hope we're still on collegial terms." CreationDate="2018-10-18T15:53:14.050" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="17411" PostId="3930" Score="8" Text="@NoahSchweber No strong feelings from my side. I'd be happy to offer you a round of (beverage of your choice) if we ever meet in person! Apologies again." CreationDate="2018-10-18T16:01:03.003" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17413" PostId="3930" Score="3" Text="Thank you gentlemen. It has become an honor to share a thread with you.  Gerhard &quot;Not To Mention A Community&quot; Paseman, 2018.10.18." CreationDate="2018-10-18T16:09:29.303" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17418" PostId="3934" Score="0" Text="It is an improvement, but I still think that there are some elements of advertising left that I don't like. I would strike out the parts that start with &quot;My own experience...&quot;, &quot;For example...&quot; and &quot;If you want to understand...&quot;, up to the end of these paragraphs. The first one in particular. They are unnecessarily personal (they sound a bit like &quot;here is my amazing experience with Lean&quot;), and contain various invitations to learn more about Lean and join the community. In most cases, just a link is enough of a pointer; there is no need to invite people to click on it." CreationDate="2018-10-18T16:44:48.413" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17419" PostId="3934" Score="0" Text="Another point to consider is that the question could have been formulated for a general theorem prover: &quot;Which mathematical objects would you like to see formally defined in a theorem prover&quot;." CreationDate="2018-10-18T16:46:25.603" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17431" PostId="3934" Score="2" Text="Federico, you seem to take a hard line with respect to the expression of anything personal, and in another meta post you questioned the good faith of others, accusing them of misusing the site to garner attention for themselves. I am disinclined to remove &quot;if you want to understand better&quot; because that could be information for people who want to understand what sort of answer might be appropriate. The &quot;for example&quot; could be changed to &quot;for example, formalising the definition of scheme [linked]&quot; [end of paragraph], but the change in the wording of that sentence begins to sound finicky to me." CreationDate="2018-10-19T08:43:50.007" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17432" PostId="3934" Score="0" Text="As for your second comment, I don't think that's what OP wants to ask. This is a Lean-specific question. What concepts might people want to see that are not yet in Lean, etc. As for your first objection (&quot;my own experience&quot;) -- in general I think that kind of personal expression should be allowed, and that authors should be allowed some autonomy and not have to submit entirely to the editorial opinions of others. I'll think about toning down &quot;my own experience&quot; slightly, but some tolerance for personal expression would, I think, be helpful." CreationDate="2018-10-19T08:52:40.760" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17433" PostId="3934" Score="1" Text="My main objection is not to the personal statements, but to the repeated invitations to learn more about the project. This is just my opinion, anyway (provided on your request). I will respect your final decision on what to with this question." CreationDate="2018-10-19T09:10:22.460" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17436" PostId="3934" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Indeed I did request your response, and should have thanked you for it before. I'd like to venture one idea I had: think of Lean or other proof assistant software as itself close to being a mathematical object. (At its core it and others are based on dependent type theory. Cf. also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence where &quot;proofs&quot; and &quot;programs&quot; are identified.) If it really were a case of proprietary software, I'd agree there'd be a problem, but here we can just think them as mathematical frameworks. Might this ameliorate the advertising aspect?" CreationDate="2018-10-19T14:00:26.837" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17437" PostId="3934" Score="0" Text="No, not in my view. I think this level of advocacy for a mathematical theory would be equally off-topic on this site. As far as I understand Lean is open source, and I did not see advertising for proprietary software as a significant part of the issue. Anyway, thanks for your efforts in understanding my point of view. I am sorry I am causing you to spend so much time on this issue." CreationDate="2018-10-19T15:30:07.603" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17422" PostId="3937" Score="7" Text="&quot;generally be better support for proper rendering across browsers, mobile devices, screen readers and other accessibility tools,&quot; &lt;-- this. I find that on mobile Chrome the MathJax doesn't know how to space properly, so the text immediately following it is moved left so that it overlaps partially with the content within `$...$`. This is a pain, but even worse when an author does it _just for text_." CreationDate="2018-10-18T22:45:12.020" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17426" PostId="3937" Score="3" Text="@DavidRoberts If you encounter some problem with MathJax (like the one mentioned in your comment), it might be reasonable to post a bug report somewhere. Both Meta MathOverflow and Mathematics Meta might be an option - since they are visited by several people from MathJax team (Davide Cervone, Peter Krautzberger). It seems that they are quite [active on Mathematics Meta](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/tags/mathjax/topusers) - maybe a bit less [on this meta](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/mathjax/topusers). (But it might be just an impression caused by smaller sample.)" CreationDate="2018-10-19T06:57:15.810" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17434" PostId="3937" Score="3" Text="No, it's a browser problem, as it happens on the nLab and the nForum as well." CreationDate="2018-10-19T10:28:15.030" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17435" PostId="3937" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts As this is only tangentially related, I do not want to leave too many comments about this (=reporting MathJax problem) here. If there is more to be said we can [continue this discussion in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19138/2018/10/19). I have also asked a question about this on Mathematics Meta: [Where to report MathJax bugs?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/29286)" CreationDate="2018-10-19T11:21:06.303" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17440" PostId="3939" Score="1" Text="Done............." CreationDate="2018-10-20T14:58:37.450" UserId="130322" />
  <row Id="17444" PostId="3940" Score="3" Text="Another one 313554 = 313555." CreationDate="2018-10-23T11:32:52.633" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="17445" PostId="3940" Score="7" Text="It seems that SO had the same issue today: [is there any issue in Stack Overflow question list today?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/375674)" CreationDate="2018-10-23T12:55:07.450" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17447" PostId="3940" Score="2" Text="Also possibly related (same time frame): [Recent problems with searching (no results or getting maintenance page)](//meta.stackexchange.com/a/317169)" CreationDate="2018-10-23T19:50:04.803" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="17452" PostId="3941" Score="0" Text="Maybe part of the reason for closure is that the question has been asked anonymously, by a user-xyz." CreationDate="2018-10-24T23:21:28.513" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17523" PostId="3941" Score="0" Text="@jeq this is a tangent, but I don't think the inference &quot;So Occam's Razor tells us that this unregistered user is already a known contributor to Math Overflow&quot; is justified. Plenty of people who are English-speaking academics may have been aware of MO but not actually contributed before asking" CreationDate="2018-11-01T23:40:15.533" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17564" PostId="3941" Score="0" Text="&quot;deleted by Community♦ yesterday (RemoveAbandonedClosed)&quot; so if it gets undeleted, it will just be redeleted unless it gets some upvotes and/or gets reopened and gets some upvoted answers." CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:38:19.113" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17565" PostId="3941" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Thanks for the reminder. If you look at the question it had a lot of early negative votes but also then some later upvotes" CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:57:21.750" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17566" PostId="3941" Score="0" Text="At the moment, users below 10k still can see some version of the post [in the Google Cache](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://mathoverflow.net/questions/313578/why-do-some-mathematicians-believe-that-the-notation-x-n-n-in-omega-is-be+). (However, 10k+ users can check that some votes and comments cam after that version. If I understand correctly how Google Cache works, this version will be no longer be shown after Google crawls that page the next time .)" CreationDate="2018-11-04T23:45:06.310" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17567" PostId="3941" Score="1" Text="It seems that the question was [posted from an unregistered account](https://mathoverflow.net/users/130430/user563454) and the user what not online since the day they posted the question here, it's not clear whether they are still interested in this. This is probably for a longer discussion, but perhaps a possible alternative would be if somebody else posts a new question; with a link to deleted one - to give credit; and also with a more detailed explanation why the question is interesting - to prevent closure." CreationDate="2018-11-04T23:52:28.280" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17568" PostId="3941" Score="0" Text="I am pretty sure that the question will be treated differently if it is not posted by a new user. (Or I could suggest posting on Mathematics - but I know that Yemon Choi does not have an account there, so in this specific instance it is a less optimal choice.)" CreationDate="2018-11-04T23:53:03.563" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17570" PostId="3941" Score="0" Text="It doesn't look deleted to me. Odd." CreationDate="2018-11-05T01:55:32.923" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17572" PostId="3941" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts well, someone or something has reopened it at some point between my edit and your comment :)" CreationDate="2018-11-05T03:10:09.107" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17573" PostId="3941" Score="3" Text="(It's been undeleted but not reopened.)" CreationDate="2018-11-05T03:18:25.817" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="17461" PostId="3944" Score="22" Text="This was around the time of Atiyah's attempted proof of RH. There is a related meta post: [Is there a way to discuss the correctness of the proof of the RH by Atiyah in MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3894) There was also a related post on main - that one is now deleted: [Sir Michael Atiyah's conference on the Riemann Hypothesis](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/311062/sir-michael-atiyahs-conference-on-the-riemann-hypothesis)." CreationDate="2018-10-27T16:05:43.093" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17462" PostId="3944" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Ah, that's surely it. Thanks!" CreationDate="2018-10-27T16:06:57.993" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="17463" PostId="3944" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak looks like an answer to me... consider post it as an answer? :)" CreationDate="2018-10-27T19:43:05.173" UserId="60571" />
  <row Id="17470" PostId="3944" Score="1" Text="I suppose that the screenshot is taken from [site analytics](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics)? Maybe it might be useful to mention this in the question - not all users are familiar with this feature and some people viewing this question might be curious where the data about the traffic displayed in your post come from." CreationDate="2018-10-28T13:30:30.900" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17464" PostId="3945" Score="0" Text="How did you find the comment link to Andrew T.'s comment: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3944/what-happened-september-23-2018#comment17463_3944 ? That's quite useful." CreationDate="2018-10-27T20:38:50.603" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="17465" PostId="3945" Score="0" Text="I was a bit hesitant whether to post an answer for two reasons: 1. Users with higher privileges are able to say more. (At least 10k+ users can see number of views on the deleted question, And mods and devs can perhaps say a bit more about sources of the traffic from the access to Google Analysics.) 2.The previous discussion suggests that most of the users here on MO prefer not to talk about this. (So I will just say that if the majority opinion is that this whole topic should be deleted, I have no problem if my answer disappears too. I understand that this topic is a bit sensitive.)" CreationDate="2018-10-27T20:40:25.037" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17466" PostId="3945" Score="2" Text="No, I was asking a tangential technical question. How does one find a URL that will link to a specific comment? Incidentally, your post is informative and should not be deleted!" CreationDate="2018-10-27T20:42:00.333" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="17467" PostId="3945" Score="4" Text="@JosephO'Rourke Simply click on the timestamp in the comment. Mathematics Meta: [How to link to a comment?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1816) Meta Stack Exchange: [Direct Link to a Comment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/5436)" CreationDate="2018-10-27T20:42:26.690" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17469" PostId="3945" Score="3" Text="Indeed the Atiyah question on Meta was by far the most-viewed question on Meta at all -- see https://meta.mathoverflow.net/help/badges/28/famous-question ." CreationDate="2018-10-28T10:53:37.813" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17481" PostId="3948" Score="2" Text="The tag which lead to this question seems to me closer to &quot;tag for a specific collection of problems&quot; than &quot;tag for a specific book&quot;. (Either way, it strongly resembles meta-tags such as big-list or soft-question: [What makes a tag “meta” and are such tags inappropriate?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/161229), [The “meta-tags”.](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2498)) Probably MO veterans know about this, but the tag ([tag:20-questions]) seems to me a bit similar - it seems to be a tag used to mark questions coming from a specific source.)" CreationDate="2018-10-28T20:33:12.980" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17502" PostId="3948" Score="0" Text="Update: these tags have been removed (2018 Oct 29) by their author, see below." CreationDate="2018-10-30T20:15:02.613" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="17478" PostId="3949" Score="0" Text="The comments quoted above are archived [here](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/the-tag-scottish-book) in a chat conversation, thanks to [Martin Sleziak](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/8250/martin-sleziak)." CreationDate="2018-10-28T18:59:08.983" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="17479" PostId="3949" Score="0" Text="I see that my today's activity with creating a new tag &quot;scottish-book&quot; obtained such a meta-resonance. Truly speaking I do not know what to do now. If you (I mean experiaenced users of MO) think that it was a bad idea, I will just delete these 3 instances of the use of &quot;scottish-book&quot; and after 24 hours this tag will disappear. Right? What is your opinion (I mean meta-MO users participating in this discussion)? Thank you in advance for your comments." CreationDate="2018-10-28T20:19:54.963" UserId="105651" />
  <row Id="17480" PostId="3949" Score="5" Text="@LvivScottishBook To be clear, there are no hard feelings whatsoever. I think of this meta thread as just a place for users to come to a consensus. (If you wish, you may write your own answer saying why you think it is a good idea; if you do so, please interpret votes as simply &quot;I do or do not agree with this&quot;, as opposed to any attached feelings.) I think simply deleting these three occurences is the right thing to do if that turns out to be the consensus, but perhaps other users think the tag is a good idea." CreationDate="2018-10-28T20:24:44.430" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="17482" PostId="3949" Score="0" Text="This is only marginally related, but I will mention that the problem that &quot;some problems from Lviv Scottish Book were posed by other users from other accounts (I know at least two such cases)&quot; was the reason behind this question on meta: [Is it possible to change the author of a problem on mathoverflow?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3406)" CreationDate="2018-10-28T20:36:07.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17484" PostId="3949" Score="0" Text="@MikeMiller Thank you for your comment. I have followed your suggestion and put the question for voting to see the opinion of the community. I have rather non-optimistic expectations but let us see." CreationDate="2018-10-28T21:05:23.377" UserId="105651" />
  <row Id="17485" PostId="3949" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak You have a good memory :) Indeed, I asked this question on Meta, but have not obtained a satisfactory answer then." CreationDate="2018-10-28T21:07:26.877" UserId="105651" />
  <row Id="17483" PostId="3950" Score="8" Text="I think that a discussion concerning the goal/scope of non-thematic tags is a necessary preliminary, rather than an early poll. And I'm more sensitive to 1 well-argued opinion than 5 anonymous votes." CreationDate="2018-10-28T21:03:40.203" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="17487" PostId="3950" Score="0" Text="If the main purpose of this tag is to create an easily accessible collection of posts from Scottish book(s), then there are probably many other ways how to achieve that and they might be more suitable than creating a new tag." CreationDate="2018-10-29T04:42:00.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17488" PostId="3950" Score="1" Text="The main problem I see with this tag is that whether or not the tag is added is not decided based on the mathematical content of the post, but on other factors. Such tags are called in Stack Exchange terminology [meta tags](https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/08/07/the-death-of-meta-tags/). (In the categorization suggested in the question it is the third type.) Although there are a few meta tags here on MO (such as big-list, soft-question, reference-request), it's probably better not to create too many of them." CreationDate="2018-10-29T04:42:59.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17489" PostId="3950" Score="1" Text="If I might add a bit of general advice about creating tags, my personal opinion is that when there is doubt whether or not the new tag should be created, it is better to ask on meta. (After all, you said yourself in one of the comments: &quot; I am also a bit hesitating on this.&quot;) Just to show that questions of this type are quite common, I have [collected several examples of such posts](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/47386083#47386083). (It's a part of a longer [conversation in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/the-tag-scottish-book) about this tag.)" CreationDate="2018-10-29T08:07:25.373" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17490" PostId="3950" Score="5" Text="Reading all the discussion above and taking into account the arguments against introducing non-thematic tags I came to the decision of removing the tag &quot;scottish-book&quot; from the 3 posts. Thank you to all participating in the discussion and writing your opinion." CreationDate="2018-10-29T09:55:19.620" UserId="105651" />
  <row Id="17492" PostId="3950" Score="2" Text="@LvivScottishBook Thank you for responding in such a constructive manner." CreationDate="2018-10-29T15:39:40.440" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="17491" PostId="3952" Score="3" Text="Personally, I would fix it on newly written or edited posts and otherwise leave it. It is unfortunate but there is no cause for confusion, and I prefer not to clutter the main page with edits." CreationDate="2018-10-29T15:38:32.280" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="17493" PostId="3952" Score="3" Text="This seems like the kind of stuff we can request the developers to run an automated search/replace and not bump posts. I'd guess that it would be better if we can find a few other commonly misspelled phrases or some other variants of &quot;C-S&quot; (e.g. with en-dash or em-dash or no dash)." CreationDate="2018-10-29T16:26:56.903" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17494" PostId="3952" Score="1" Text="Could you please clarify what you mean by saying: &quot;Community user (machine) in MO corrected some similar spelling&quot;? I am unaware of some edits which were done automatically (and without bumping) with two exceptions: One of them was [change from http to https](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/292058) (around March/April 2017?) and the other one was the [move from Meta Stack Overflow to Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/212631) (March/April 2014?). In fact, due to some mistakes the latter [caused some bumping](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1657) due to some bugs." CreationDate="2018-10-29T17:07:37.810" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17495" PostId="3952" Score="0" Text="Some edits may *appear* as if they were done by community user, but there was actually a human actor behind them. (IIRC those are edits suggested by anonymous user and also if reviewer chooses &quot;Approve and Edit&quot; when reviewing a suggested edit.) For more details, see: [Modified by Community](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1636)." CreationDate="2018-10-29T17:08:11.190" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17497" PostId="3952" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: Thanks for your explanations. I  edited the question, accordingly" CreationDate="2018-10-29T17:35:17.243" UserId="53059" />
  <row Id="17498" PostId="3952" Score="2" Text="I do not know the whether it is likely that SE will be willing to do something like this using some automation. However, I will at least add links related to manual edits. The FAQ entry [Editing etiquette](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2208) touches also misspellings. Probably this is also relevant: [Do we have an unofficial quota on how many old questions one should bump for minor edits in a single day?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/599) (And of course, implementing this feature request would make things easier: [Minor edits, subject to review](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/192).)" CreationDate="2018-10-29T17:50:35.273" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17500" PostId="3952" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila When you suggest to collect some common misspellings, you mean collecting frequently misspelled words in general (such as continuous $\to$ continuous) or just names of mathematicians (such as Haussdorff $\to$ Hausdorff)? Would you include also stuff such as Erdos $\to$ Erdős? In case it is useful, some names which are often misspelled are mentioned in this post on Mathematics Meta: [Searching for accented characters is too strict](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/8698#8709)." CreationDate="2018-10-30T07:50:04.990" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17508" PostId="3952" Score="0" Text="Does it make sense to correct Cauchy-Schwarz without correcting the other incorrect Schwartz/Schwarz confusions?  I say, make such minor corrections only when the post is bumped to the front page for some other reason." CreationDate="2018-11-01T13:06:37.107" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="17509" PostId="3952" Score="3" Text="@MartinSleziak: Your example &quot;(such as continuous → continuous)&quot; seems to have a mis-misspelling." CreationDate="2018-11-01T15:06:18.653" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="17510" PostId="3952" Score="2" Text="@jeq Sorry, I meant [continous](https://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=active&amp;q=continous)." CreationDate="2018-11-01T15:21:01.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17530" PostId="3952" Score="1" Text="[@jeq](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3952/misspelling-of-cauchy-schwarz#comment17509_3952), looks like [it](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3952/misspelling-of-cauchy-schwarz#comment17500_3952) was a missed mis-misspelling.  :-)" CreationDate="2018-11-02T17:23:26.150" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27958" PostId="3952" Score="0" Text="Referenced in [an Über meta post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/383433/can-the-link-replacement-tool-be-used-on-typos-in-regular-text) in 2022." CreationDate="2022-11-02T16:01:00.017" UserId="48348" />
  <row Id="17501" PostId="3953" Score="5" Text="My own position since becoming a moderator is to avoid exposing MO (as part of SE, Inc.) to any sort of legal liability, and to abide by &quot;better safe than sorry&quot;. I am of course aware of the prevalence of sharing information about certain sites where information is freely available, and the widespread resentment that corporate entities have control over content that mathematicians often create for free and would gladly share if it were entirely in their hands. However, some users feel very strongly about copyright law and some even give an impression they might complain if it were violated." CreationDate="2018-10-30T17:08:02.970" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17507" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="One could ask how links for download of copyrighted math texts is like, or unlike, some other SE site with links for download of copyrighted movies; or of copyrighted software." CreationDate="2018-11-01T13:03:52.500" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="17512" PostId="3953" Score="9" Text="@ToddTrimble: The OCILLA/DMCA explicitly removes the liability for hosting user-posted links if the notice-and-takedown process is followed.  Do you have any evidence that preemptive deletions of links have any legal effect at all?" CreationDate="2018-11-01T15:59:20.240" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17519" PostId="3953" Score="2" Text="@DmitriPavlov I'm not a lawyer, so it may take me some time to be able to study the matter in more detail, and to weigh pros and cons. Judging by the upvote and downvote patterns on answers here, it seems the entire matter is fraught with contention." CreationDate="2018-11-01T19:17:20.667" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17520" PostId="3953" Score="3" Text="I think in fact I will invite someone from SE Community Management to weigh in. I am uneasy in the sense that once someone brings to my attention links to a website said to engage in piracy, simply to ignore that notice or not acting on it could be viewed as a form of aiding and abetting. Perhaps I am simply naive or not sufficiently informed enough here, but I need to be *very* sure about what I'm doing; cf. &quot;better safe than sorry&quot;." CreationDate="2018-11-01T19:22:47.760" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17521" PostId="3953" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble: Sure, one must take action if the copyright owner submits a correctly constructed DMCA notice.  But what's the point of reacting to third-party complaints (i.e., not by the copyright owner)?  How could the third party possibly _know_ that the link points to something illegal?  This can *only* be decided by the copyright owner.  Some publishers have no objections to websites such as Library Genesis, and there is no way to find out the contrary without a properly constructed DMCA notice." CreationDate="2018-11-01T19:59:19.527" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17522" PostId="3953" Score="3" Text="@DmitriPavlov I'm listening, but I'm not going to rush to reverse any editing decisions I've recently made without thinking very carefully about what we're doing here. Moreover, it may not *just* be a matter of law (cf. Andy Putman's answer). I sense we're on very tricky ground here." CreationDate="2018-11-01T20:13:48.097" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17549" PostId="3953" Score="6" Text="As far as I understand (IANAL), merely editing out these links does not change anything from the legal point of view, because the links are still there in the editing history; they just take two more clicks to reach. Or are we speaking about a different kind of 'editing out' that is accessible to moderators only and leaves no track in the history? In this case it would be good to have a complete picture of how it works, so that we can take a more informed decision when we vote." CreationDate="2018-11-03T13:40:38.543" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17569" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="There is also an older discussion on tea: [are we concerned about people posting illegal material?](http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/17/are-we-concerned-about-people-posting-illegal-material/) - however it is rather short. Perhaps also this discussion on meta can be considered related, but aside from a few comments, not much was said there: [How does MathOverflow deal with the liability for the content of the site?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1472)" CreationDate="2018-11-05T00:01:04.303" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17524" PostId="3955" Score="19" Text="&quot;I think it would sort of be fun to tell everyone that mean publisher X had been threatening MO, just to see what happened next.&quot; &lt;-- I support this policy." CreationDate="2018-11-02T08:05:42.980" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17529" PostId="3955" Score="4" Text="Very nice answer. -- As I understand, originally the purpose of copyright law was to protect the rights of the authors and to allow them to financially benefit sufficiently from their works. I don't think the intention was to solely increase the revenue of publishers which get the copyright transferred from the authors for free, and to obstruct scientific progress by de facto hiding publications from a part of the community." CreationDate="2018-11-02T16:40:54.427" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17531" PostId="3955" Score="0" Text="&quot;I think it would sort of be fun to tell everyone that mean publisher X had been threatening MO&quot; - regardless of my views on the original question, I don't think this would actually rebound to MO's benefit. I can envisage this playing out quite badly in the UK, for instance, or at least being met with indifference and &quot;stop causing trouble, do what they say, and let us get back to the REF/TEF/NSS/Brexit/whatever&quot;" CreationDate="2018-11-02T19:23:37.800" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17532" PostId="3955" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi: If one wants to make things right for every country which has less than one percent of the world's population, then one probably needs to stop doing anything at all ... ." CreationDate="2018-11-02T21:03:59.210" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17536" PostId="3955" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Are you taking a poll of the world's population, or the world's mathematicians, then? I would always advocate including links to arXiv copies or copies on authors' own websites, so my issue was purely a reaction to Scott's semi-light-hearted comment. Certainly I am not chastising Scott for expressing that comment; I just happen to disagree with it" CreationDate="2018-11-03T00:44:39.110" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17537" PostId="3955" Score="1" Text="Indeed, @StefanKohl having talked to a range of researchers over the years from different backgrounds with different priorities, Scott's line &quot;I would not want us to chose that hill to die on&quot; is probably closest to my actual views" CreationDate="2018-11-03T00:48:12.570" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17503" PostId="3956" Score="6" Text="I think that, except in the broad sense that doing (or not doing) *anything* potentially opens one to legal liability, it is far from clear that linking to anything does so." CreationDate="2018-10-31T17:36:43.307" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17504" PostId="3956" Score="0" Text="@LSpice: I agree that this is not 100% clear.  However, I don't think even a tiny chance is worth it.  People who want scans of copyrighted works know perfectly well where to find them on the internet.  I have difficulty imagining someone who would actually be helped by such a link." CreationDate="2018-10-31T17:40:08.567" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17505" PostId="3956" Score="0" Text="I [agree with the sentiment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/3958), just not with the precise wording (but perhaps, even as mathematicians, this is one place where we can allow a sentiment right in spirit but perhaps technically wrong nonetheless to stand)." CreationDate="2018-10-31T17:42:11.007" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17514" PostId="3956" Score="11" Text="You might want to familiarize yourself with OCILLA/DMCA before claiming that &quot;it opens MO to legal liability&quot;.  As long as the notice-and-takedown process is followed, the DMCA explicitly removes any liability for hosting user-generated content." CreationDate="2018-11-01T16:07:19.767" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17515" PostId="3956" Score="8" Text="&quot;But I do support obeying the law.&quot;:  Could you tell us what law you are referring to here?  As far as I am aware, there is no law that makes posting links to some sites illegal, but perhaps you have something else in mind." CreationDate="2018-11-01T16:10:20.063" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17525" PostId="3956" Score="1" Text="To play devil's advocate, what if one gave the link http://lmgtfy.com/?q=free+access+to+papers with the caveat that one may stumble on a website that hosts illegal copies of papers? I always tell people the website in question is illegal, that its mission to distribute free copies of paywalled papers has lead it to being sued for millions and losing. I certainly don't think MO should officially condone people illegally being able to access papers using websites like these that they otherwise would have to pay publishers money to access. I rather promote efforts like https://freejournals.org/" CreationDate="2018-11-02T08:12:05.917" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17526" PostId="3956" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov: I think you know precisely what I'm talking about.  I understand that you don't believe in copyright laws and have some kind of convoluted argument for why Library Genesis isn't violating them, but that argument is garbage.  It has about the same level of intellectual coherence as the Sovereign Citizen Movement here in the US (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement).  There is a reason it has to be hosted in Russia.  The moment that MO tolerates stealing intellectual property from other mathematicians (who don't consent to having their books hosted there)" CreationDate="2018-11-02T15:33:14.370" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17527" PostId="3956" Score="0" Text="(continued) is the moment I stop contributing." CreationDate="2018-11-02T15:33:30.793" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17528" PostId="3956" Score="4" Text="To put it another way: if I write a book, I have the moral and legal right to choose whether or not it should be freely available on the internet.  It is grossly immoral to claim otherwise.  MO should not facilitate that kind of theft." CreationDate="2018-11-02T15:36:32.763" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17533" PostId="3956" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts, while I think that DmitriPavlov's statements may represent an extreme end of the MO community's perspective, I think that it's not true that people using these sites are &quot;illegally being able to access papers&quot;, depending on how the modifier is read.  My understanding is that providing that access may be found to be illegal on the site's part, but availing oneself of that access is not illegal on the user's part.  (As far as I know, file-sharing lawsuits against individuals have almost always focussed on uploading, not downloading—Aaron Swartz being a significant exception.)" CreationDate="2018-11-02T21:48:03.170" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17534" PostId="3956" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman, a serious question:  how do you decide when and whether &quot;[MO tolerates stealing intellectual property from other mathematicians](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3953/what-to-do-when-a-post-contains-a-suspicious-link-possibly-with-copyrighted-m#comment17526_3956)&quot;?  Of course there is no one arbiter of what MO does or does not tolerate, and I think it is obvious that it is now, and always will be, the case that some people in the MO community tolerate, and even endorse, activity that you would call stealing; and other people condemn it (for example, by calling it stealing)." CreationDate="2018-11-02T21:51:32.037" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17535" PostId="3956" Score="1" Text="@LSpice: It will be a judgement call.  The ways the moderators handled the current case (where the links to library genesis were deleted) is fine with me.  If it is decided that such links are totally ok, then I will re-evaluate whether or not I want to participate." CreationDate="2018-11-02T22:11:24.037" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17538" PostId="3956" Score="5" Text="&quot;I understand that you don't believe in copyright laws&quot;: It is absurd to claim that somebody that advocates compliance with the DMCA does not believe in copyright laws.  &quot;have some kind of convoluted argument for why Library Genesis isn't violating them&quot;: Please do not shift the focus of the discussion.  What is being discussed is whether links to Library Genesis are legal on MathOverflow.  You did not address this question." CreationDate="2018-11-03T02:20:05.323" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17539" PostId="3956" Score="4" Text="&quot;but that argument is garbage. It has about the same level of intellectual coherence as the Sovereign Citizen Movement here in the US&quot;: Which argument?  I have never said anything at all about legality of Library Genesis, since this is not the topic of this discussion.  And accusing me of making some kind of argument about the legality of Library Genesis (which I never made) and then comparing this nonexistent argument to the SCM is a rather disgusting ad hominem attack that I will not comment upon." CreationDate="2018-11-03T02:24:32.557" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17540" PostId="3956" Score="1" Text="&quot;There is a reason it has to be hosted in Russia.&quot;  Please get your facts straight.  It is hosted in Seychelles, not Russia.  &quot;The moment that MO tolerates stealing intellectual property from other mathematicians (who don't consent to having their books hosted there)&quot;: What gives *you* any right to claim that other mathematicians consider such links to be stealing?  Only the authors themselves can decide this, not you.  You do not speak for others.  And I have no objection to removing links that an author personally objects to." CreationDate="2018-11-03T02:27:54.043" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17541" PostId="3956" Score="2" Text="@DmitriPavlov: Under US law, the copyright owner is the once who is required to complain.  However, under European law, it is not required that the copyright owner be the one who notifies the website of illegal content.  It is not clear to me whether flagging a post counts as the appropriate notification, but if the moderators decide they want to force the matter I would be happy to send more official notifications.  As for why I brought up Library Genesis, you were defending it on other threads.  Finally, if authors were asked whether they consented to their works being hosted" CreationDate="2018-11-03T02:34:57.517" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17542" PostId="3956" Score="2" Text="on Library Genesis, then I would have no problem with it.  Doing it without their consent is theft.  I'm sure that many mathematicians would have no objection to it, but as an author myself (of innumerable papers, and of several books in progress) I can assure you that the number who do object is not insignificant.  The point is not money (which obviously few mathematicians make from their writing), but rather control over how one's creative work is presented to the world." CreationDate="2018-11-03T02:37:05.863" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17543" PostId="3956" Score="0" Text="(and as far as where the physical hosts of Library Genesis are, it has a Russian domain name and though it makes an attempt to obfuscate its precise managers due to its constant legal difficulties, it is registered in some combination of Russia and Amsterdam)" CreationDate="2018-11-03T02:40:58.937" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17544" PostId="3956" Score="4" Text="&quot;it has a Russian domain name&quot;: The domains of Library Genesis are libgen.io (British Indian Ocean Territory, United Kingdom), gen.lib.rus.ec (Ecuador), libgen.pw (Palau), bookfi.org (USA), bookzz.org (USA), bookza.org (USA), bookos.org (USA).  Which one of these is Russian?  &quot;it is registered in some combination of Russia and Amsterdam)&quot;: It is registered in Seychelles, you are welcome to check the whois info yourself." CreationDate="2018-11-03T02:49:12.993" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17545" PostId="3956" Score="2" Text="&quot;I can assure you that the number who do object is not insignificant&quot;: And links to their works can be easily removed from MO if they complain.  This has never been a problem and I don't find such removals objectionable.  However, it is not possible to know if someone objects unless a complaint is made.  This is why it's &quot;notice-and-takedown&quot;, as opposed to &quot;takedown-and-inquire&quot; or something similar." CreationDate="2018-11-03T03:14:19.750" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17546" PostId="3956" Score="2" Text="That is an absurd and non-serious suggestion.  Unless they are obsessively googling their own name, an author is unlikely to ever see a link to their work that happens to lie deep in an answer/comment on MO.  If an author chooses to post their own work on the web, then they have consented to have it shared.  Otherwise, they have not.  Full stop." CreationDate="2018-11-03T03:35:18.900" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17547" PostId="3956" Score="8" Text="Well, the OCILLA/DMCA prescribes exactly this procedure for copyright owners, and I fail to see how the same procedure for authors would suddenly become &quot;absurd and non-serious&quot;, unless the DMCA itself is absurd and non-serious.  To the best of my observations, the overwhelming majority of mathematicians actually want their works to be accessible to anyone, in particular through Library Genesis.  While a minority that objects to this exists, it is absurd to try to impose its values on the majority.  That's why I suggest a compromise: authors can ask for links to their works to be removed." CreationDate="2018-11-03T04:01:45.320" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17548" PostId="3956" Score="5" Text="I rather doubt that the &quot;overwhelming majority&quot; of mathematicians would support having their work pirated by Library Genesis.  A large number, perhaps, but you shouldn't confuse your friends and acquaintances (or people you encounter on the web) with a representative cross-section of mathematicians.  And in any case, the right to choose how you disseminate your work to the world is fundamental to the whole creative and scholarly enterprise; even if only a minority of people object, it is gravely unjust to deprive that minority of this basic right (as your &quot;compromise&quot; would do in practice)." CreationDate="2018-11-03T04:24:40.290" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17553" PostId="3956" Score="2" Text="I am curious as to how you were able to sample the &quot;representative cross-section of mathematicians&quot; in order to reach the opposite conclusion.  Somehow the OCILLA/DMCA notice-and-takedown procedure does not seem to deprive copyright holders of their copyright, yet you seem to be making similar unjustified claims about authors." CreationDate="2018-11-04T05:35:29.627" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17554" PostId="3956" Score="13" Text="I am pretty sure that most mathematicians very much prefer to see their work being cited, even if it means accessing it through Library Genesis, than to exercise their &quot;basic right&quot; to remove links to Library Genesis.  &quot;And in any case, the right to choose how you disseminate your work to the world is fundamental to the whole creative and scholarly enterprise&quot;: how so?  If copyright disappeared tomorrow, very little in mathematics would be affected.  Papers and books would written as before, etc." CreationDate="2018-11-04T05:43:19.750" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17571" PostId="3956" Score="2" Text="@DmitriPavlov: The person making an extraordinary claim is the one who is duty-bound to provide evidence.  Anyone with a reasonably broad knowledge of mathematicians and mathematical culture knows that mathematicians have diverse views about **everything under the sun**.  It would be rather remarkable if an &quot;overwhelming majority&quot; agreed about any controversial point.  As far as how mathematical communication would function without copyright laws, I don't think there is any evidence one way or another about how that would work.  Certainly physical book publishing would decline dramatically." CreationDate="2018-11-05T02:43:04.633" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="17574" PostId="3956" Score="7" Text="I never made any extraordinary claims about &quot;overwhelming majority&quot; of mathematicians (but rather only about an overwhelming majority of mathematicians with whom I talked about this).  &quot;Certainly physical book publishing would decline dramatically.&quot;: speaking of extraordinary claims, this one certainly is one.  With no copyright, we will have more physical books at more affordable prices.  One only has to look at Dover, a company that republishes mathematical books that went out of print and their copyright was returned to the author." CreationDate="2018-11-05T07:20:26.387" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17513" PostId="3958" Score="7" Text="What &quot;dodgy file-sharing sites&quot; do you have in mind?  The deletion of links that just began currently seems to affect mostly Library Genesis, which is not dodgy, not file-sharing, and not a site." CreationDate="2018-11-01T16:03:40.923" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17516" PostId="3958" Score="2" Text="@DmitriPavlov, dodginess is in the eye of the beholder, but I was responding to a question about &quot;suspicious&quot; links, with the target left unidentified.  For the LibGen example, I'm not sure under what technical definition it is not a site, and I don't know what it means to say LibGen is &quot;not file-sharing&quot;.  (I don't disagree; I literally don't know what that means.  LibGen certainly offers download links to files.  Maybe they don't host them themselves, and that is your point?)" CreationDate="2018-11-01T16:11:41.297" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17517" PostId="3958" Score="6" Text="&quot;I'm not sure under what technical definition it is not a site&quot;: Library Genesis is a library, i.e., a collection of files with books and other texts.  This library is distributed through various means: torrents, HTTP, etc.  One of these means is a web site, but this doesn't mean that the library itself is a site." CreationDate="2018-11-01T17:13:32.767" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17518" PostId="3958" Score="3" Text="File-sharing means that files are uploaded by users, with little or no curation from the host.  This is completely false for Library Genesis: even though users can upload texts, these submissions constitute only a small fraction of all texts in the library, and these submissions are still thoroughly vetted and processed.  The overwhelming majority of all texts, however, is not contributed in this manner." CreationDate="2018-11-01T17:18:29.610" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="17552" PostId="3960" Score="2" Text="Right now, the site at mathoverflow.tqft.net has &quot;tea.mathoverflow.net&quot; as its title.  This might cause confusion.  Perhaps change it to something like &quot;Previously tea.mathoverflow.net&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-11-04T00:40:32.153" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="17555" PostId="3960" Score="4" Text="It seems that all the links are broken -- they are still to tea.mathoverflow.net, rather than mathoverflow.tqft.net. -- So without manually editing the URL's in the browser, one can see only the list of topics." CreationDate="2018-11-04T09:18:35.677" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17556" PostId="3960" Score="3" Text="As long as we lock tea, so nothing else is added, I think it's fine. Also, perhaps SE can provides MO with the necessary 50mb of space and little traffic as necessary, and just host it?" CreationDate="2018-11-04T10:00:18.673" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17557" PostId="3960" Score="1" Text="I *think* a permanent redirect from tea.mathoverflow.net to mathoverflow.tqft.net is in the works. I've pinged the relevant people at SE. This should fix all the broken links." CreationDate="2018-11-04T10:30:52.263" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17563" PostId="3960" Score="2" Text="I've fixed all the internal links on http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/, but am still waiting for the redirect to be put in place as well." CreationDate="2018-11-04T20:51:38.643" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17576" PostId="3960" Score="1" Text="I'm curious: what security risks does the existence of tea.mathoverflow.net lead to?" CreationDate="2018-11-07T01:15:44.067" UserId="35353" />
  <row Id="17577" PostId="3960" Score="7" Text="I think it's essentially cookie-theft: anyone who hacked tea.mathoverflow.net could read cookies set at mathoverflow.net, and in particular log in to user accounts. It's relatively low risk, as only someone visiting tea is actually exposed, but the mechanism is pretty straightforward." CreationDate="2018-11-07T06:52:02.063" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17578" PostId="3960" Score="3" Text="@ScottMorrison how about putting that static html in a git repo and hosting on github pages? Gives hosting with https for free indefinitely." CreationDate="2018-11-08T04:14:02.970" UserId="131092" />
  <row Id="17587" PostId="3960" Score="0" Text="@captncraig, sure that’s a fine idea. As I’m already doing one version of the hosting — if we want a second backup someone else should do it so it’s actually redundant." CreationDate="2018-11-09T04:45:39.430" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17626" PostId="3960" Score="0" Text="That static HTML dump appears to have disappeared!" CreationDate="2018-11-13T02:18:30.743" UserId="89784" />
  <row Id="17628" PostId="3960" Score="0" Text="@cat I was able to download the file from the link given in the post. (I got a zip-file, size about 30 MB.) In any case, having a copy of this file [in the Wayback Machine](http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://tqft.net/tea.mathoverflow.net.zip) seems like a reasonable idea - just in case." CreationDate="2018-11-14T13:18:17.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17629" PostId="3960" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak thankfully, the link has been fixed, it was a 40x error" CreationDate="2018-11-14T15:07:01.787" UserId="89784" />
  <row Id="17677" PostId="3960" Score="1" Text="The good old bad old days =O" CreationDate="2018-11-19T17:36:50.823" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17558" PostId="3961" Score="2" Text="Since you have mentioned also archiving of MathOverflow content, I'll just: 1. A link to previous discussion about this: [Long-term archiving of MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/800). 2. That the content of all sites in the Stack Exchange sites is *in some forem* already archived: [Stack Exchange Creative Commons data now hosted by the Internet Archive](https://stackoverflow.blog/2014/01/23/stack-exchange-cc-data-now-hosted-by-the-internet-archive/) (at least if I correctly understood the linked post)." CreationDate="2018-11-04T12:36:49.563" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17559" PostId="3961" Score="1" Text="&quot;Internet Archive&quot; = &quot;Archive.org&quot;, so can't we just add &quot;tea&quot; to this repository?" CreationDate="2018-11-04T13:03:31.783" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="17560" PostId="3961" Score="1" Text="That's probably question for somebody who knows more about the technical details of this. But I would hazard a guess that the format used in that data dump relies heavily on the fact that it consists of Posts, Comments and other data from *Stack Exchange sites* - while tea was not operated on the Stack Exchange platform. So this might be a problem if MO would want to include it into *this* data dump." CreationDate="2018-11-04T13:08:49.467" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17561" PostId="3961" Score="1" Text="It seems the only way to get any further information about using the archive-it service is to sign up to one of their regular webinars, which sounds like a frustrating waste of time to even find out if we would be eligible for something like tea. (It does seem out of character relative to many of their other projects.)" CreationDate="2018-11-04T20:30:22.867" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17627" PostId="3961" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison I think the archive-it service is a bit of a red herring, its intended more for institutions. Just the [standard upload](https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#301) functionality is probably fine for sticking a static dump of the site." CreationDate="2018-11-13T17:06:29.753" UserId="115670" />
  <row Id="17579" PostId="3962" Score="17" Text="Do you think that downvoting, closing, deleting and flagging are not sufficient to avoid such posts cluttering the site?" CreationDate="2018-11-08T13:17:55.907" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17581" PostId="3962" Score="6" Text="@StefanKohl the question https://mathoverflow.net/questions/314776/on-some-expression-in-bui-et-als-paper-and-the-riemann-hypothesis is still there, and has 7 upvotes. Typically such a question would be considered in good standing, so I am not sure what we're doing currently is enough" CreationDate="2018-11-08T13:54:27.897" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="17582" PostId="3962" Score="11" Text="I don't know how it comes that such question has 7 upvotes. -- Possibly there is some sock puppetry going on there." CreationDate="2018-11-08T14:19:16.607" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17583" PostId="3962" Score="3" Text="The question is no longer there." CreationDate="2018-11-08T16:36:22.377" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17584" PostId="3962" Score="1" Text="There was also some sockpuppetry related to recent RH-crankery - not sure if this is the same user... (don't have the relevant deleted questions bookmarked on this computer, can look when I get home)" CreationDate="2018-11-08T19:11:36.343" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17585" PostId="3962" Score="1" Text="Hmm, it might be the same person (under different user identities), since the author of the questions Stanley is referring to has a profile linked to this other MO account https://mathoverflow.net/users/123416/user123416 and a physics.SE account responsible for this question https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/424247/a-physical-insight-on-the-de-bruijn-newman-constant on the DeBruijn-Newman constant which has the same level of misunderstanding as the deleted &quot;DBN constant&quot; questions on MO..." CreationDate="2018-11-08T19:15:29.950" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17588" PostId="3962" Score="1" Text="It seems that in your first link you [link to a comment](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/314572/advice-on-how-i-can-i-publish-my-solution-of-the-riemann-hypothesis?noredirect=1#comment784775_314572) rather than using [link to the question](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/314572/advice-on-how-i-can-i-publish-my-solution-of-the-riemann-hypothesis). I am not sure whether it is intentional (whether this comment has particular significance) or whether it happened by mistake." CreationDate="2018-11-09T09:22:48.817" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17589" PostId="3962" Score="1" Text="Also I will add that if your post is mainly about this particular situation, the tag ([meta-tag:specific-question]) might be suitable. (See [the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/specific-question/info) for more details.) However, from the wording of the post it seems that links to the three questions serve merely as an example and you want to discuss this issue in general, not only this particular instance. (In which case, this tag is not needed.)" CreationDate="2018-11-09T09:26:02.417" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17590" PostId="3962" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl I'm pretty sure I've seen that question in the HNQ, that could also explain the upvotes (especially since the association bonus is enough to upvote but not to downvote)." CreationDate="2018-11-09T10:42:00.583" UserId="111486" />
  <row Id="17596" PostId="3962" Score="1" Text="I don't have a rigorous proof but I believe it is impossible in principle to machine-, rule- or otherwise automatically/formally recognize and block such cases. On the other hand I believe the community deals with them quite efficiently, with minimal intervention from the moderating team." CreationDate="2018-11-10T06:12:11.100" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17600" PostId="3962" Score="7" Text="What abou this question? Is it related? https://mathoverflow.net/questions/315019/enquiry-on-a-certain-family-of-integrals-and-residue-integration" CreationDate="2018-11-10T16:23:43.557" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="17601" PostId="3962" Score="1" Text="@AndrásBátkai Looks like it, and once again we have a new user accout to deal with. Note that this new user mentions the paper of Bui et al which is also referred to in one the questions Stanley noticed: https://mathoverflow.net/posts/314776/" CreationDate="2018-11-10T18:52:42.817" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17603" PostId="3962" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi That link gets a 404 - is it a typo, or did it get super-deleted?" CreationDate="2018-11-10T21:59:40.700" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="17605" PostId="3962" Score="0" Text="@NoahSchweber Typo, sorry: I meant https://mathoverflow.net/questions/314776/on-some-expression-in-bui-et-als-paper-and-the-riemann-hypothesis" CreationDate="2018-11-11T01:32:03.953" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17733" PostId="3962" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi: And what about this answer? https://mathoverflow.net/q/315923" CreationDate="2018-11-21T22:08:09.773" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="17734" PostId="3962" Score="2" Text="@AndrásBátkai Yes, seems to be the same person" CreationDate="2018-11-21T23:56:08.840" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17766" PostId="3962" Score="0" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/questions/316093/is-there-an-analogue-for-the-balazard-et-al-criterion-for-the-generalised-rieman#316093 looks like another one" CreationDate="2018-11-24T11:54:02.127" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="17592" PostId="3964" Score="4" Text="They've said the don't want to host, even the static HTML. I hadn't realised they'd set up the redirect to just go the home page. I will ask them to fix this." CreationDate="2018-11-09T19:10:29.100" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17622" PostId="3964" Score="3" Text="The redirect has now been fixed, and all existing links to tea should now resolve correctly to the mathoverflow.tqft.net server. Thanks for pointing this out." CreationDate="2018-11-12T00:16:35.763" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17597" PostId="3965" Score="2" Text="If you are trying to log in from China, maybe this problem is related to the [Great Firewall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall)?" CreationDate="2018-11-10T10:13:48.123" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17598" PostId="3965" Score="2" Text="If this affects multiple sites, it might be more efficient to ask on https://meta.stackexchange.com ." CreationDate="2018-11-10T10:20:01.353" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="17599" PostId="3965" Score="2" Text="Is it the iOS app, or Safari on iPhone? These two things are different." CreationDate="2018-11-10T13:05:28.197" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17619" PostId="3965" Score="0" Text="@Stefan Kohl It just happens these days." CreationDate="2018-11-11T12:35:01.333" UserId="119547" />
  <row Id="17620" PostId="3965" Score="0" Text="@Asaf Karagila ios app" CreationDate="2018-11-11T12:36:08.647" UserId="119547" />
  <row Id="17623" PostId="3965" Score="1" Text="Cross-site dupe on MSO: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/376216/unable-to-login-to-the-so-ios-app-with-google (not fixed yet)" CreationDate="2018-11-12T08:45:16.003" UserId="60571" />
  <row Id="17602" PostId="3966" Score="2" Text="Which is your last question? Is there a link to it?" CreationDate="2018-11-10T21:27:34.583" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17604" PostId="3966" Score="8" Text="In case you don't know, there is StackExchange software that automatically blocks questions or answers if there is repeated downvoting/closure/deletion of posts. So the community doesn't directly block you, but how your posts are received does enter into it. See also https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86997/what-can-i-do-when-getting-we-are-no-longer-accepting-questions-answers-from-th." CreationDate="2018-11-10T22:20:34.443" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17606" PostId="3966" Score="0" Text="Could you please write in your question a bit clearly in what way you are discouraged from posting questions? Are you talking about your question being put on hold? Are you getting the message “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account” as mentioned by Todd Trimble? (If it is the latter, the questions, the question should be probably tagged (post-ban) rather than (account-suspension) - and you can find links to some basic information [in the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/post-ban/info).)" CreationDate="2018-11-11T02:54:58.000" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17607" PostId="3966" Score="0" Text="Based on comment you wrote under your previous question, it seems that you are talking about question ban: [What I can do if my questions limit had been reached in MO from long time?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3584) According to [the help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/question-bans): &quot;If you're unable to improve your existing questions, you'll get the chance to ask a new one 6 months after your last question. If that question is positively received, you may be able to continue asking questions; if not, then the ban will be reinstated.&quot;" CreationDate="2018-11-11T06:47:37.673" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17610" PostId="3966" Score="1" Text="@Yemon, there seem to be several accounts in the name of OP, but perhaps https://mathoverflow.net/users/51189/zeraoulia-rafik is relevant. There you can see many questions that have been posted (but if there are any deleted questions, I don't think they show up there)." CreationDate="2018-11-11T09:05:02.367" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17624" PostId="3966" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi , This is the link of the last question :https://mathoverflow.net/q/301696/51189" CreationDate="2018-11-12T16:28:34.903" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="17625" PostId="3966" Score="1" Text="So, let's have a look: you have 21 questions (not counting possible deleted ones) with median score 2, and of those questions 9 are closed and 3 have negative score. Unless I am mistaken, deleted questions count towards a question ban as well (though details are not publicly available). In order to get the software-side ban lifted, you might try to improve your deleted questions to get them undeleted (or undelete them yourself, in case you have deleted them yourself), and to improve your closed questions to get them reopened and upvoted. -- I hope this is of some help!" CreationDate="2018-11-12T20:32:03.483" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17608" PostId="3967" Score="3" Text="It seems that there was already changed in the past to the present form: [Misleading description of new Curious badge](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/234956). As usually, you can find more information on Meta Stack Exchange. [Asking days badges](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/234259) (which I found from [Definition of a 'well received question' for the purposes of the Curious badge](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/283813))." CreationDate="2018-11-11T07:57:35.653" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17609" PostId="3967" Score="2" Text="And if you are mainly interested in badge progress, you actually don't need to worry about precise definitions - you can see how close you are to a certain badge in various places, for many of badges you can simply look at the badge tracker in your profile. See also: https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/badge-progress/info" CreationDate="2018-11-11T08:32:17.487" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17611" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Extremely helpful, as always. So the algorithms are the same across all SE sites then?" CreationDate="2018-11-11T09:23:05.297" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17612" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="Btw supposedly I cannot mark this as a duplicate of a question on SE meta, can I?" CreationDate="2018-11-11T09:24:28.923" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17613" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="As far as I know, the criteria for badges are the same on all sites. As you say, this cannot be closed as duplicate from a question on another site." CreationDate="2018-11-11T09:27:11.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17614" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="So then may I ask you to make an answer out of your information? I believe it is very useful." CreationDate="2018-11-11T09:28:55.210" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17615" PostId="3967" Score="3" Text="But if we take as your main question: &quot;Who can edit the help center?&quot; (and similar texts) then I think it might be worth leaving open (and waiting for a response from mods). As far as I know, help center can be edited by Stack Exchange employees and some parts can be edited by site mods (or can be made mod-editable after the moderators' request this). Never by regular users. But it would be more reliable if this information was confirmed by a diamond-bearing user. (However, as far as badge description goes, I doubt that this part would be made mod-editable.)" CreationDate="2018-11-11T09:29:48.200" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17616" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes I think you are right." CreationDate="2018-11-11T09:30:53.770" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17618" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="Since I do not want to make this comment exchange longer than necessary (it seems that we already digressed from the main question in some comments), if there is need to discuss this further, we can [continue in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/11/11)." CreationDate="2018-11-11T10:02:08.667" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17630" PostId="3967" Score="2" Text="If you have interesting questions to post, by all means do it, but if they are going to be dull ones that you wrote just to get a gold badge, then I suggest that you go for Electorate (600 votes, at least 25% on questions) instead. :)" CreationDate="2018-11-14T15:45:45.090" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17631" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Already have one :D" CreationDate="2018-11-14T15:47:37.817" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17632" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="This meta question seems to include three independent questions: (1) what does “well-received question” mean in the linked description?  (2) should that description be expanded+clarified?  (3) who has access to editing the help center text?  They would surely be much more answerable if asked as three separate questions." CreationDate="2018-11-15T08:45:22.413" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="17633" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="This post from Math Stack Exchange can contains some relevant information: [What parts of the help center can site moderators edit?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/259914) (Although I have heard from moderators that on some sites also some other parts of help center have been made mod editable.)" CreationDate="2018-11-15T09:17:41.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17635" PostId="3967" Score="1" Text="On the side note, even when the description is exact, it is sometimes hilarious, e.g., Illuminator: Edit and answer 500 questions (both actions within 12 hours, answer score &gt; 0) (that is you have less than 1.5 minutes per answer and somebody should also bother to upvote them all). I hate to even think of what might happen if somebody decides to strive for getting this particular badge :lol:" CreationDate="2018-11-15T23:33:22.820" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="17639" PostId="3967" Score="1" Text="@fedja You're just kidding, right? I see that one *could* interpret this as having to answer 500 questions in 12 hours, but clearly this is not what the badge description there means. (After all, do you have the feeling that the users who already have [the refiner badge](https://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/214/refiner) - which is the silver version of this badge where the requirement is 50 questions - caused some disruptions to the site in the process of earning the badge?)" CreationDate="2018-11-16T10:19:42.220" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17681" PostId="3976" Score="5" Text="@gparyani: We've been discussing this change with the moderators and given them a sneak preview for the past week. As always, we are honored to have MathOverflow as a part of the Stack Exchange network. I hope people will provide their honest feedback in the answers below so that we can have a productive conversation about the new theme." CreationDate="2018-11-20T04:55:22.677" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="17683" PostId="3976" Score="25" Text="There is so much empty space on the left it almost feels like a bug :P" CreationDate="2018-11-20T08:52:36.870" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17684" PostId="3976" Score="1" Text="On the other hand I do like colors, borders, etc. so I decided to neither up- nor downvote :)" CreationDate="2018-11-20T08:57:49.360" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17685" PostId="3976" Score="4" Text="I just noticed it: is having no different background for accepted answers also a must? If yes, I will downvote too &gt;:D" CreationDate="2018-11-20T09:48:43.777" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17686" PostId="3976" Score="3" Text="Can changes be made based on feedback in this thread?" CreationDate="2018-11-20T09:57:07.043" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17692" PostId="3976" Score="3" Text="@მამუკა Concerning the space on the left, try checking &quot;Hide left navigation&quot; on the user preference page." CreationDate="2018-11-20T11:43:00.927" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="17696" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Then how can I go from my user page to the questions page? I mean, I can do it from the upper right corner list of all SE sites, and MO is usually on the top of the list for me, but..." CreationDate="2018-11-20T12:33:26.873" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17697" PostId="3976" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე When left navigation is hidden, it is actually hiding in the left corner of the top navigation bar - so from my User page, or most anywhere else, the questions page is only a couple of clicks away. (On the home page, there's also a direct link at the bottom.)" CreationDate="2018-11-20T13:56:23.813" UserId="49003" />
  <row Id="17698" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე You can click on the large MathOverflow logo on the top of the page." CreationDate="2018-11-20T14:25:24.883" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="17699" PostId="3976" Score="37" Text="Oh god. I was dreading this day." CreationDate="2018-11-20T14:56:43.633" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17700" PostId="3976" Score="3" Text="@HarryGindi: Yes. I pass along  requests to our developers and designers. I can't make any promise that a specific feature request will be implemented, of course." CreationDate="2018-11-20T18:25:54.917" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="17727" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="FWIW, https://tex.stackexchange.com/ is one site where a responsive-design theme is already deployed (whether or not one has opted in to beta themes). https://electronics.stackexchange.com/ is another." CreationDate="2018-11-21T13:00:16.950" UserId="49003" />
  <row Id="17731" PostId="3976" Score="4" Text="@GNiklasch I would guess that among the sites where the new theme is already live, many MO users are probably familiar with Mathematics. From the corresponding meta site: [Mathematics new site theme is live](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/28842)." CreationDate="2018-11-21T17:45:12.973" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17817" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson: Is orange the only colour available? I know that this could start an endless debate, so I don't want to push it too far, but orange seems too... bright and noisy, maybe? I find the Math.SE colour scheme very pleasant and putting little strain on the eye. (Of course, this minor annoyance won't make me stop using MO, it will only make it slightly more unpleasant, visually.)" CreationDate="2018-12-02T17:05:52.820" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="17818" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="@AlexM. Orange has been part of the MO logo since the beginning, I think, so it is in some sense &quot;on brand&quot;." CreationDate="2018-12-03T00:08:09.420" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17830" PostId="3976" Score="9" Text="The green highlight of accepted answers was removed as part of this change. Back when this site was being migrated in from Stack Exchange 1.0, this was an element of the design that the site was allowed to keep. Why is it being removed now?" CreationDate="2018-12-05T09:08:12.170" UserId="120224" />
  <row Id="17845" PostId="3976" Score="7" Text="Having a left nav-bar seems like a giant leap backwards in web design, no? It eats into the screen real-estate needlessly, and interferes with smooth / easy reading of the questions. With a left bar, and a right bar, the space for actual valuable content, aka, the question and answer appears reduced / full of distractions. I wish such changes were not thrust upon the community by fiat like this!" CreationDate="2018-12-07T17:01:52.533" UserId="8430" />
  <row Id="17846" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="@Suvrit: You can hide the sidebar with a [user setting](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/preferences/current). (&quot;Hide left navigation&quot; in the Navigation section.) We're headed toward making good use of the sidebar with [custom question lists](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312781/custom-question-lists-finding-questions-you-can-answer). It's also possible we'll move the navigation around in the future. Before this change, that would not have been a possibility since each custom design had different navigation displays." CreationDate="2018-12-07T18:10:28.780" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="17847" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="Perhaps in view of https://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/314979/35, this post should be closed as &quot;no longer relevant&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-12-07T18:31:58.777" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="17848" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="@jeq: I'd direct you to [this post instead](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319274/responsive-design-themes-what-can-sites-customize-and-how-can-they-get-changes)." CreationDate="2018-12-07T18:37:49.517" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="18138" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="I will just add that the links to Ask Dr. Math and NRICH (mentioned in footnote 1) are no longer in the FAQ. See the related post here: [Update outdated links in the list of suggested alternative sites](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4053)." CreationDate="2019-01-09T11:54:45.970" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17689" PostId="3978" Score="19" Text="I'm going to agree: the old color scheme was much much better than the new. And I say this as a person that usually does not care about these things." CreationDate="2018-11-20T10:38:18.547" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17691" PostId="3978" Score="4" Text="I find the new scheme to be more clear than the old one, actually." CreationDate="2018-11-20T10:43:42.743" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="17695" PostId="3978" Score="7" Text="I agree with Emil here. The brown background always appeared to say &quot;something boring here - do not look closer&quot; to me. Now it says &quot;nothing here yet - have a look!&quot;. The empty frame says &quot;there is still something missing&quot; which also fits." CreationDate="2018-11-20T12:31:59.440" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="17704" PostId="3978" Score="2" Text="So that I understand the problem, is the concern that it'll be harder to spot questions that need answers? Follow-up question: if so, would something like [custom question lists](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/312781/1438) help?" CreationDate="2018-11-20T22:40:04.470" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="17706" PostId="3978" Score="17" Text="@JonEricson --- yes, in the old scheme I can spot the unanswered questions at a glance; in the new scheme I cannot." CreationDate="2018-11-20T22:42:21.303" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="17863" PostId="3978" Score="0" Text="We'd like to try leaving the questions list page answer boxes (and the accepted answers) as they are for a little bit (a month or so) to see if your opinions change. Both of these elements are fixed on a network-wide basis (the box shapes/colors used to be per-site) so making them unique for y'all may introduce bugs when we update the sites, which is why we're trying to unify the themes - to avoid bugs and make it easier and faster to introduce features without necessitating a lot of bug fixes on per-site bases." CreationDate="2018-12-10T05:01:19.660" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17876" PostId="3978" Score="3" Text="@Catija I can understand taking a wait-and-see approach, but it seems to me part of the beauty of allowing customization of this element would be that it's a very generic screen element shared by all SE sites, so _any_ site could take advantage of it pretty straightforwardly. Plus, because it's one of the most commonly-recurring screen elements on the front page, it has the potential to add a lot of character to a SE site at (what naively seems like) little cost." CreationDate="2018-12-10T16:11:00.977" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17900" PostId="3978" Score="3" Text="@Catija Echoing Tim, this seems like it should be nothing more than loading a few hex values.  It wouldn't need custom styling." CreationDate="2018-12-13T06:57:19.787" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17931" PostId="3978" Score="0" Text="So, part of this is that we're attempting to create some network-wide identity. Elements of the *network*, things that make us recognizable, @HarryGindi . The intention is for these answer indicators to be one of those things. They're part of the core that is Stack Exchange - you're here to get answers. How that's indicated should be consistent on the network... that's the idea. There are a few other design choices like this - for example - headers are the same size/font/color on every site, even sites that use serif fonts. So, *by design* we want them to be the same everywhere." CreationDate="2018-12-14T23:38:15.733" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17932" PostId="3978" Score="0" Text="I completely understand that they seem like a really easy way to make the sites different. And I agree with that. But I also agree and accept that, as a network, we should have an identity, too. I don't know whether this will change in the future or not. If the concern is less for site identity and more for having an immediately recognizable difference between unanswered, answered and accepted questions, we might be able to look at that on a network-wide level." CreationDate="2018-12-14T23:41:52.397" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17933" PostId="3978" Score="0" Text="Note, we're also concerned with accessibility and the scheme we have now (no border, border, dark background) is more accessible than colors, which may not be discernible to all users. Using dark colors for all three cases means the user has to rely on the numbers telling them whether the post has been answered or accepted." CreationDate="2018-12-14T23:43:08.233" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17934" PostId="3978" Score="6" Text="@Catija Then I think it was a little bit dishonest to say that this was only for code portability and ease of updating. I'm not a programmer, but exporting a few numerical variables for configuration is not a serious technical hurdle." CreationDate="2018-12-15T01:34:03.633" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17955" PostId="3978" Score="1" Text="@Catija It seems that as usual when the programmers ask for feedback, they don't really want that. They want cheers, but not complaints. It doesn't matter what we think, you are going to do what you wanted to do in the first place. It would be a little more honest to just say that and forget about this charade of &quot;asking for feedback&quot;. By the way, you could also follow the &quot;if it ain't broke don't fix it&quot; maxim..." CreationDate="2018-12-17T01:35:10.987" UserId="10076" />
  <row Id="17956" PostId="3978" Score="0" Text="@HarryGindi It was not my intention to ever imply that that was the *only* reason. We have many reasons for this change - the simplification of the code is one of those - and probably the most critical one. We wouldn't be doing any of this if it wasn't going to simplify updating the network. As part of that re-design effort, we're unifying the sites somewhat. These two go hand-in-hand, though. Using the same base code everywhere means that all the sites start looking more alike. My omission was due to brevity, not dishonesty." CreationDate="2018-12-17T01:58:48.350" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17957" PostId="3978" Score="0" Text="@SándorKovács It was severely broken, in fact. Every time we added features to the network, something, somewhere ran into problems. We were under a mountain of technical debt that kept piling up, making it impossible for us to implement features so many users had been asking for for years. If we didn't make these changes, the site would remain stuck as it was. While many of our users are perfectly happy with the site as it is, many are not and have a variety of feature requests they'd love to see active on the network - and we'd love to make those happen." CreationDate="2018-12-17T02:10:03.607" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17958" PostId="3978" Score="1" Text="@Catija OK, maybe it was broken. I should not have included that and then perhaps you would have felt compelled to respond to the main point of my comment. What is discussed in this post has nothing to do with all that you are conjuring up to support your decision. But it's OK, you have the power and you are exercising it. I am just saying that it would be easier for all of us if you didn't pretend to ask for our feedback if you are going to ignore it anyway. Unfortunately, this seems the way it works. I don't even know why I even bother with saying all this..." CreationDate="2018-12-17T02:30:08.513" UserId="10076" />
  <row Id="17959" PostId="3978" Score="0" Text="@Catija ps: I'm pretty sure that the color scheme had nothing to do with whatever was broken. You can say that this way it is easier for you to maintain it and that's a totally acceptable position. Cheers!" CreationDate="2018-12-17T02:31:26.847" UserId="10076" />
  <row Id="17966" PostId="3978" Score="2" Text="...and the rest is silence" CreationDate="2018-12-17T16:14:19.740" UserId="10076" />
  <row Id="17705" PostId="3979" Score="1" Text="I do note that the two totally off-topic posts mentioned are from the same user. It's an exceptional case, I think." CreationDate="2018-11-20T22:41:09.217" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="17736" PostId="3979" Score="1" Text="@CarloBeenakker I do not know an easier way to check past deleted questions than [going through the list one by one](https://data.stackexchange.com/meta.mathoverflow/query/845043/recently-deleted-questions?number=100). (Moreover, as a low-rep user I do not see much even after clicking the link.) Trying a few of them, at least questions which would be more suitable on the main site than on meta are not too rare." CreationDate="2018-11-22T07:54:14.203" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17737" PostId="3979" Score="0" Text="I chose two examples in my question since they were extremely off-topic. (And recent enough so that I remembered them.) I am not sure whether it is worth bumping the question again just to add a few examples of questions posted on meta which were actually mathematical question. (So either they should be posted on the main site or - if they are not MO level - on Mathematics or somewhere else.)" CreationDate="2018-11-22T07:54:45.187" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23597" PostId="3979" Score="0" Text="As I have mentioned in one of the bullet points, spam can appear also on meta. I will add a link to explanation how to deal with spam: [What should I do when I see a spam post on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4259)" CreationDate="2020-08-04T11:24:41.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27516" PostId="3979" Score="0" Text="Recently there was an increase in number of spam posts on meta - I have mentioned this here: [To which extent should spam posts on meta be considered a problem?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5406)" CreationDate="2022-07-19T08:09:36.523" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17707" PostId="3981" Score="24" Text="I saw the original image before the user changed it. It was indeed the Confederate flag. This combined with the user name “Patriot” give a rather unsavoury impression. Certainly this is not enough to impose a ban or anything of the sort on the user; the decision not to answer any of their questions is entirely a personal decision made by Noah Snyder." CreationDate="2018-11-21T02:22:44.673" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="17708" PostId="3981" Score="22" Text="I think one of the Community Managers changed it. After the uproar over the Donald Trump avatar https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3065/celebrity-usernames, my own conclusion is that any sort of trollishness like this has no place on MO, being, at the very least, disruptive and therefore counter to what this site about, which is to do mathematics. There is no reason we should put up with it." CreationDate="2018-11-21T03:05:34.803" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17710" PostId="3981" Score="30" Text="Moreover, I see nothing unreasonable in Noah's response, which was to let that person know how utterly offensive it is to use an image widely perceived as a hate symbol as an avatar image. I find that reaction neither too &quot;strong&quot;, nor seemingly ironic, nor confusing (because the comments make clear what happened)." CreationDate="2018-11-21T03:47:44.290" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17711" PostId="3981" Score="3" Text="@Todd Trimble you are correct. Thank you for humoring me by shedding light on the situation. I suppose I could have assumed as much, but (perhaps naively) I wanted to know explicitly what had transpired." CreationDate="2018-11-21T03:57:52.640" UserId="73967" />
  <row Id="17712" PostId="3981" Score="1" Text="The suggestion that such a comment could have been ironic was, in retrospect, offensive on its own. My assumption was that, certainly someone would realize how aggressively offensive such an icon would be perceived, and thus good faith is probably out the window, and so a ban and not a comment would be more appropriate. Maybe that would have been fighting fire with fire though. Either way, I was being selfish in wanting to know what the sequence of events was so I could form an unambiguous mental picture of what happened." CreationDate="2018-11-21T04:06:21.527" UserId="73967" />
  <row Id="17714" PostId="3981" Score="24" Text="I can understand some people do not like the flag of the Confederate States of America, and some of the associations they make with it.  I also understand trying to temper things so as to keep a mellow and peaceable atmosphere.  I do not understand calling the flag &quot;a hate symbol&quot;.  Without disrespecting the choices of people like Noah Snyder, I think a more moderating tone should be present.  In particular, noting that it is a controversial symbol should suffice.  Gerhard &quot;Came From A Confederate State&quot; Paseman, 2018.11.20." CreationDate="2018-11-21T06:30:09.710" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17716" PostId="3981" Score="27" Text="@GerhardPaseman I know nothing your personal situation, but I've been told by several people they perceive the confederate flag as a hate symbol and, looking at the history, it is really hard to blame them. I understand it is a controversial issue but it does provoke some pretty strong emotional reactions in a lot of people. Whatever value you might put into it, it might be the time to retire this symbol for good." CreationDate="2018-11-21T06:38:12.850" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17717" PostId="3981" Score="26" Text="Indeed, I do not want to get in the way of other people's associations.  I read over the comments from the question and found nothing objectionable: the people there are making it clear that they are asserting their beliefs and preferences.  When a moderator identifies the Confederate flag as a hate symbol and assumes such Is commonly and universally accepted, I take issue with that. Leaving controversial symbols out of MathOverflow, yes, let's do that. Define a particular group of pixels as a hate symbol and expect me to accept that? Sorry, I think moderators can do better." CreationDate="2018-11-21T06:47:17.967" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17718" PostId="3981" Score="7" Text="For full disclosure, I thought the avatar in question would have been one of either the confederate flag, the nazi swastika, or a hammer and sickle. Then I wondered if it could have been anti-christian or something 'outside of the realm of politics' (whatever that means). This is my point: an abstract unknown is &quot;scarier&quot; than a concrete instance, so why not name the issue explicitly and take the guesswork out of it for future readers. On the topic of the unknown and how insidious fear of the unknown can be, I'm reminded of Stephen King's novel IT." CreationDate="2018-11-21T06:50:15.953" UserId="73967" />
  <row Id="17720" PostId="3981" Score="13" Text="@GerhardPaseman I side with your point of view. What determines whether a given picture is offensive or even a hate symbol is ultimately a subjective matter. The only qualitative measure is perhaps the density of people perceiving it as such; e.g., the number of people offended by a Confederate flag will be larger than the number of people offended by, say, an Ichthys or a hammer and sickle --- at least in academics. But to base the choice of countermeasure on this percentage is a slippery slope toward segregation of minority opinions. Needless to say I did not remove the image myself." CreationDate="2018-11-21T08:28:02.457" UserId="117073" />
  <row Id="17721" PostId="3981" Score="3" Text="That said, every user is of course free to make up their own personal responses, so I respect those who wish not to interact with me." CreationDate="2018-11-21T08:30:46.153" UserId="117073" />
  <row Id="17723" PostId="3981" Score="0" Text="ah, it wasn't swastika. makes sense. although, this is MO.  ([on SO, swastikas are entirely a-ok](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/160009/swastikas-are-offensive). )" CreationDate="2018-11-21T09:20:27.990" UserId="104767" />
  <row Id="17724" PostId="3981" Score="36" Text="@GerhardPaseman I come from a Confederate state as well: I was born and bred in what was the capital of the Confederacy, and I am very very familiar with the various ways in which the flag has been deployed in both past and present. The fact that the flag is *perceived* as a hate symbol by many people is what is most important in this discussion -- that it is upsetting and disruptive to enough people that removal is warranted. And Patriot: if you don't know this, you surely should. (I'll add the fact that the flag continues to be used in racist contexts, conspicuously -- that is undeniable.)" CreationDate="2018-11-21T11:58:37.930" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17726" PostId="3981" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman I have changed the wording of my second comment slightly, to something which I presume is more moderate." CreationDate="2018-11-21T12:40:58.243" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17728" PostId="3981" Score="28" Text="@GarehardPaseman: do you also think Swastikas are acceptable if you grew up in Germany?" CreationDate="2018-11-21T13:52:51.280" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="17729" PostId="3981" Score="38" Text="@Patriot I am saddened to learn that you did not remove the symbol yourself, and even more by your unapologetic tone. That being said, I am glad that the moderators took action in the way they did." CreationDate="2018-11-21T14:12:46.917" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="17730" PostId="3981" Score="36" Text="I disagree with the idea that the “controversial symbol” label is sufficient. That flag represents the confederacy, a group of states that seceded from the United States because of their desire to uphold the institution of enslavement of black people. Not taking a strong stance on this issue makes mathoverflow seem less than welcoming, to say the least." CreationDate="2018-11-21T15:17:05.347" UserId="124840" />
  <row Id="17732" PostId="3981" Score="19" Text="Whatever one thinks about this or that particular symbol -- the use of political symbols on a site about mathematics is a distraction, and similarly off-topic as a question on mathematics on a press conference of the government." CreationDate="2018-11-21T21:42:03.217" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17739" PostId="3981" Score="19" Text="I hope that all political statements at MO will be promptly removed by moderators, and also that MO will be welcoming to every mathematician regardless of their political views or actions. In particular, ignoring someone's mathematics for non-mathematical reasons should be discouraged at MO." CreationDate="2018-11-22T19:10:30.097" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="17740" PostId="3981" Score="6" Text="@Igor, I think it is more complex than that.  We can discourage some behaviour and encourage others.  I wanted to encourage a more moderate response from Todd, and I got something toward that.  This thread also got some comments addressed to me to which (in the interests of promoting peace) I am choosing not to respond.  I think we can choose to self moderate successfully if we all give a little as well.  Gerhard &quot;Has Said Enough For Now&quot; Paseman, 2018.11.22." CreationDate="2018-11-22T22:06:47.233" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17741" PostId="3981" Score="5" Text="@IgorBelegradek Yeah, when this came up one time in the homotopy theory chat (from the other direction, as I recall), we all agreed that MO is not a place for politics, political comments, etc, full stop." CreationDate="2018-11-22T23:30:37.060" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17745" PostId="3981" Score="11" Text="In general, the world's values are always changing (and not always for the better). It isn't honest or productive for those that reach high awareness a few years or decades earlier, to judge others as if the new values had been held forever. We should be be careful too before judging a past age by current values. Specifically to a comment above: there was northern slavery before 1804; there wasn't genocidal madness sweeping the South, that could ever be compared to Nazism; there was a history of abuse towards the South after the civil war that may also relate to the flag issue." CreationDate="2018-11-23T12:45:11.360" UserId="2480" />
  <row Id="17748" PostId="3981" Score="18" Text="It is somewhat troublesome to hear that &quot;a lot of people perceive it offensive&quot; is an acceptable reason for moderator action. Consider the next steps once this argument is accepted as valid: a vocal minority could easily begin using this argument to effectively regulate what is and isn't acceptable speech. A better reason, following the comments of @IgorBelegradek above, would be that all politics should be discouraged on MO, and the confederate flag is clearly a political symbol." CreationDate="2018-11-23T18:39:34.137" UserId="1407" />
  <row Id="17759" PostId="3981" Score="29" Text="&quot;I hope that all political statements at MO will be promptly removed by moderators....&quot; That is, of course, itself a political statement. &quot;we all agreed that MO is not a place for politics, political comments, etc, full stop.&quot; That, too, is taking a political position. &quot;all politics should be discouraged on MO....&quot; That was another political statement." CreationDate="2018-11-24T03:53:09.343" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17770" PostId="3981" Score="16" Text="@GerryMyerson: &quot;That is, of course, itself a political statement&quot;. I agree. And this is precisely why I made the comment on MO-meta.  MO proper should (in my opinion) be limited to mathematics. If the great Ludwig Bieberbach came back from the grave and chose to contribute to MO, I would want him to be able to do so without harassment (even though I find some of his activities absolutely despicable). We are at MO not to shake hands or make friends (even though it may happen). Similarly, we need not know the politics of our doctors, grocers, or plumbers - it is usually bad for business." CreationDate="2018-11-24T22:41:55.373" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="17782" PostId="3981" Score="4" Text="@GerryMyerson Meta is for discussing policy, which as the French might tell us, is indistinguishable from politics in the broad sense.  Discussing policy is what meta is for.  MO is good at what it does because it remains focused on mathematics.  I hope that any distractions from mathematics will be removed, and if that is political, so be it." CreationDate="2018-11-26T18:35:24.557" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17787" PostId="3981" Score="9" Text="@alex Okay, agreed, that is a better articulation. My main point however, which may have been hard to hear with all the noise, is that such discussions are disruptive and for that reason should be avoided. Finally, for the sake of clarity, I'll remark that the &quot;moderator action&quot; was not my own, but that of an SE Community Manager." CreationDate="2018-11-26T22:26:45.153" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17813" PostId="3981" Score="6" Text="@GerhardPaseman: I'm fairly sure you were not born in a confederate state. You're not that old. You may have been born in an *ex*-confederate state, and you might even *wish* you'd been born in a confederate state; although I rather hope that you, personally, don't. Unfortunately some people do, and they like to express that wish by waving the old confederate flag around. Whatever that flag might mean to you personally, I hope you do see why most people who *don't* long for the &quot;good ol' days of the confederacy&quot; tend to take offense to that." CreationDate="2018-11-29T19:02:56.080" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="23777" PostId="3981" Score="2" Text="@Patriot I'd add that in addition to the inappropriateness of the old avatar, your _username_ is borderline inappropriate for MO, especially given the history with the avatar. Your typical _behavior_ on MO gives me the impression that ultimately you're here in good faith. But your _username_ adds a political charge to every interaction you have, distracting from the math. If, as I suspect, you're here for the math and not for political reasons, then my suggestion would be to change your username to something less distracting (I'm a big fan of real names; there are plenty of other options too)." CreationDate="2020-08-17T19:39:36.973" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17719" PostId="3982" Score="8" Text="Regarding your question about ignore feature (in the last paragraph of the current revision of your answer), here is a previous discussion on this meta: [Ignoring certain users' postings](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/555)." CreationDate="2018-11-21T07:58:22.137" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17722" PostId="3982" Score="2" Text="@Martin Sleziak Thank you! And as far as I can say, this current revision is the last one." CreationDate="2018-11-21T08:41:00.940" UserId="73967" />
  <row Id="17725" PostId="3983" Score="2" Text="(I apologise for the second answer in this thread that takes the grammatical form of a question. I have looked at https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307862/ch-ch-ch-changes-left-nav-responsive-design-themes but it is not clear to me what can and cannot be done within the limits of the new unified theme.)" CreationDate="2018-11-21T12:25:21.197" UserId="49003" />
  <row Id="17735" PostId="3983" Score="2" Text="We believe [custom question lists](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317675/custom-question-lists-october-status-update) (coming soon!) will add considerable value to having the sidebar displayed. For the sake of new users discovering the navigation, it's not really a good plan to hide it in the top bar. The main purpose for providing it is to help ease the transition for active users who aren't used to it." CreationDate="2018-11-22T05:32:12.353" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="17738" PostId="3983" Score="8" Text="@Jon Good! Now is it going to add *more* value for the majority of MO users than what would otherwise fit into the screen area it occupies? - Maybe instead of (or in addition to) the option to hide left nav in the top bar, allowing the left nav to collapse to the left margin and expand on mouseover or click would be useful (and much quicker to toggle than going to the User page and changing a site preference)." CreationDate="2018-11-22T10:42:04.450" UserId="49003" />
  <row Id="17786" PostId="3983" Score="4" Text="Adding an on-screen way to toggle the sidebar is a possibility in the future." CreationDate="2018-11-26T21:44:21.697" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="17742" PostId="3984" Score="4" Text="The following feature request on Meta Stack Exchange (from 2009) is tagged ([meta-tag:status-declined]): [Allow users to leave an anonymous comment when voting](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/6521) (Of course, you can also have a look at other discussions [linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/6521) to see whether you find something interesting there.)" CreationDate="2018-11-23T10:13:31.143" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17743" PostId="3984" Score="4" Text="This is only tangentially related, but the questions whether downvotes should in general be accompanied by a comment has also been discussed a few times. Here are two links from this meta (and links to some discussion on other metas can be found there): [Completely Unexplained Downvotes](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/398) and [Can anyone learn anything from a downvote without an accompanying rationale in a comment?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3512)" CreationDate="2018-11-23T10:26:32.967" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17744" PostId="3984" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak the dicussion Meta Stack Exchange is quite thorough and addresses most of the points. So if there aren't strong arguments in favor of anyomous comments in reply to this question, it can be closed." CreationDate="2018-11-23T10:28:11.300" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="17747" PostId="3984" Score="5" Text="A comment is a comment, and a vote is a vote -- these are two separate things. -- Or would you want to give an explanation each time you vote on a post, be it up or down?" CreationDate="2018-11-23T17:31:46.740" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17750" PostId="3984" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl maybe not on upvvotes, but certainly on a downvote, simply because I see that as a kind of politeness that may improve on the  reputation of the MO community." CreationDate="2018-11-23T19:59:21.013" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="17753" PostId="3984" Score="10" Text="I used to leave comments when I voted things down, and it really really really ticked people off." CreationDate="2018-11-23T21:28:26.830" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17757" PostId="3984" Score="0" Text="I think there had been several posts about unexplained/uncomprehensible downvotes on meta in the past. How about disabling downvotes at all?" CreationDate="2018-11-23T22:20:45.430" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="17751" PostId="3985" Score="1" Text="To put it mildly, I find this use of 'content-neutral' misapplied. ('Non-verbal' might be more appropriate.) I think the real situation is that there is a changing entity called a community, and that many of the behaviours/customs/rules written and unwritten are meant both to keep the community together and to get that community to produce a certain kind of content.  This involves social factors as well as historical factors.  Avoiding some of the hotspots affecting other fora seems fine to me.  Gerhard &quot;Some Kinds Of Fire Unwanted&quot; Paseman, 2018.11.23." CreationDate="2018-11-23T20:36:31.593" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17769" PostId="3985" Score="3" Text="@GerhardPaseman: I don't understand the first two sentences of your comment. Could you explain? I wonder if they are based on an overly hasty and inaccurate reading of my answer. I used &quot;content-neutral&quot; as an adjectival phrase referring to &quot;reasons for wanting to delete.&quot; It does not refer to user Patriot's use of the confederate flag (which was a form of nonverbal communication)." CreationDate="2018-11-24T18:24:35.810" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="17771" PostId="3985" Score="0" Text="Ben, I sent you an email regarding this. In brief, 'off-topic' does not seem content neutral to me, while 'age of author' does. It is quite possible I am reading in your post something other than your intent. Gerhard &quot;Feeling A Little Different Today&quot; Paseman, 2018.11.25." CreationDate="2018-11-25T19:34:15.987" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17781" PostId="3985" Score="2" Text="I disagree with this answer because avatars do allow for math unrelated expressions and I don't think this is illegitimate. What if a user has photo of themselves wearing a Metallica t-shirt. Would that be illegitimate? A user with a photo of himself wearing a kippah?" CreationDate="2018-11-26T18:09:24.690" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="17788" PostId="3985" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman: The distinction is between judging what topic someone's communication is *about* versus judging what they *have to say* about the topic. For example, if I post a question in which I begin by asserting that $2+2=5$, then my assertion is on topic for MO, but I would not expect the question to be upvoted." CreationDate="2018-11-26T22:53:37.247" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="17789" PostId="3985" Score="1" Text="@MichaelGreinecker: This is about proportionality. MO has disincentives for posting various things in questions, answers, and comments. The disincentives are supposed to be proportionate. I could start a question by saying, &quot;I was throwing a tennis ball for my dog today, and it occurred to me that if the ball was moving in a complex manifold rather than a real one ...&quot; The part about the ball and the dog are slightly off-topic, but they don't have the power to completely throw discussion off track. Ditto if my avatar was a puppy, and my username was &quot;I Luv Puppies!!&quot;" CreationDate="2018-11-26T22:59:05.597" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="17792" PostId="3985" Score="2" Text="I can see that an avatar is content-neutral with respect to a post, even if the avatar has content. I think I am not in a place now to appreciate your distinction.  That's OK. Other people seem to appreciate your distinction.  I am also in favor of not seeing controversial avatars on MathOverflow, which is my takeaway from your post.  Gerhard &quot;Willing To Wait For Appreciation&quot; Paseman, 2018.11.26." CreationDate="2018-11-27T01:09:47.570" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17752" PostId="3986" Score="7" Text="Although the OP specified that questions about the nav should go to the meta SE post, that post reports that it is no longer accepting new answers (given that it already has 86), and encourages us to post on the meta of our own site." CreationDate="2018-11-23T20:43:47.420" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="17785" PostId="3986" Score="2" Text="We have plans for the left sidebar. [Custom question lists](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/312781/1438) might be enough on its own to justify the space. I'm actually worried it'll get too crowded over there in a year or two. The cutoffs were designed to avoid overly-long and short lines in the in the content itself. They are certainly open to be tweaked now that nearly all sites have the new design. The final item is [now fixed](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/377076/1438)." CreationDate="2018-11-26T21:42:05.517" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="17820" PostId="3986" Score="2" Text="Thank you very much for pinning all this down. What is especially apparent from your observations: the &quot;Ask Question&quot; button just **screams** &quot;place me **above** the question text!&quot;" CreationDate="2018-12-04T06:17:16.770" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17754" PostId="3987" Score="17" Text="I think outside the US, the Confederate flag is not that widely known. Many people would rather associate the *Flag of the United States* with all of the things you say the Confederate flag stands for, plus the deeds of the US Army in all of the wars and other war-like actions around the world it was (and is) involved in." CreationDate="2018-11-23T21:34:30.277" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17755" PostId="3987" Score="13" Text="@StefanKohl: That's a perfectly fair point.  I would say that the US, like most countries, has done a lot of things some good and some evil (in the US's case, more of the latter than the former), and the US flag doesn't specifically honor the most evil parts.  I can understand why someone would object to the German flag, but I don't think it's pure evil the way Nazi symbols are.  I think the same is true of the US flag, there are valid objections, but it's not a symbol of the worst aspects of the US the way the confederate flag is." CreationDate="2018-11-23T21:44:11.083" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="17756" PostId="3987" Score="23" Text="Also there are some people in Europe who know well what the Confederate flag represents: the Neo-Nazis who fly it because Nazi symbols are banned in Germany but the Confederate flag which represents the same principles is legal." CreationDate="2018-11-23T22:11:05.443" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="17758" PostId="3987" Score="11" Text="I disagree with your position as stated in this post. While I respect your choice to take it, I do not adopt this position for my own, and will not do so. I also think that making this post on meta is a mistake: it prolongs the controversy and takes it away from the topic of mathematics and managing the forum.  This post of yours is better placed elsewhere. You may choose to refuse to interact with me because of my disagreement. That is also your choice.  Gerhard &quot;This Signature Is My Choice&quot; Paseman, 2018.11.23." CreationDate="2018-11-24T00:33:22.533" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17760" PostId="3987" Score="15" Text="@GerhardPaseman Noah is literally answering the question(clarifying the response to the image and situation). You should be telling the OP that they shouldn't be asking this question on meta.MO, not Noah, if that is how you actually feel(or vote to close the question). If you would like to associate with people who fly the Dixie flag there are plenty of other web sites(and maybe local groups) to go to, and it seems plausible there are even mathematicians there to talk math to." CreationDate="2018-11-24T06:44:30.433" UserDisplayName="user35370" />
  <row Id="17761" PostId="3987" Score="8" Text="@Paul, unfortunately, Noah's answer does not come across that way. I appreciate the history lesson, but not the rhetoric in the last two paragraphs. If Noah chooses to voice his beliefs as to why he views certain symbols negatively, I will not challenge that. (I defer challenging whether such rhetoric belongs one meta.) I challenge the idea that because he views the symbol as one of hate, I must view it that way also. That idea was the impetus behind my response to Todd's comment, which seemed too extreme coming from a moderator.  Paul, do you not see the divisiveness in this post?" CreationDate="2018-11-24T07:20:32.787" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17762" PostId="3987" Score="4" Text="@GerhardPaseman Just because you think it is divisive doesn't mean it isn't an answer and Noah told an important part of the history of this symbol which clarifies the reaction. I think you are making something analogous to the &quot;false balance fallacy&quot; in how you view the flag and separately how you are view the reactions of others and its divisiveness. Being a moderator does not mean to be &quot;moderate&quot; in all things. You could sit and say waiving the 1940 German flag is honoring &quot;German&quot; ancestors and those who fell but you are wrong or you are living in a world I don't want to be a part of." CreationDate="2018-11-24T08:14:20.557" UserDisplayName="user35370" />
  <row Id="17763" PostId="3987" Score="2" Text="The actual flag in question is not so different, millions where enslaved, and died slaves.... A primary purpose of the Confederacy was to defend the right that states can have slavery legal if they want, and without a doubt the Dixie flag is a symbol of that" CreationDate="2018-11-24T08:21:16.020" UserDisplayName="user35370" />
  <row Id="17764" PostId="3987" Score="3" Text="Just so we are on the same page Paul, how do I view the Confederate flag?  And how desirous am I to associate with those who wish to fly it?  And then what further associations do you wish to make about me?  Perhaps I should give up and just accept your comments.  I will now depart and let you have the last words." CreationDate="2018-11-24T08:40:58.080" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="17765" PostId="3987" Score="5" Text="I am responding to &quot;I disagree with your position as stated in this post&quot;. I read the post as basically saying the flag is a symbol of white supremacy and that he doesn't want to associate with people who fly such a symbol. Perhaps you read something totally different in it and disagreed with that. If you don't want to view that flag as a symbol of hate I am no thought police but I also think such view are misguided. You didn't mention it, but the things that I brought up on the nazi flag are common talking points to defend flying the confederate flag, which you may not agree with" CreationDate="2018-11-24T09:07:20.237" UserDisplayName="user35370" />
  <row Id="17768" PostId="3987" Score="13" Text="I find little to disagree with in this historical description, but it isn't an answer to the question. The question is not just the title, &quot;Why was there pushback on a user's profile image?,&quot; but also, as stated in the body, &quot;Should the comments be deleted? Can they be clarified? What is the situation?&quot; The OP is asking how this was handled, why it was handled that way, and whether that was the right way to handle it." CreationDate="2018-11-24T18:21:18.663" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="17780" PostId="3987" Score="5" Text="@GerhardPaseman The argument that you need not view the flag as a symbol of hate would be more convincing if you would supply a reasonable alternative interpretation. Or is this a Humpty Dumpty style &quot;it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.&quot;-approach to symbols?" CreationDate="2018-11-26T18:04:28.530" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="17783" PostId="3987" Score="12" Text="@NoahSnyder Not to get into a huge to-do, but are there any countries you can think of that haven't &quot;done more evil than good&quot;? I agreed with most of what you said until you made that remark..." CreationDate="2018-11-26T18:47:35.240" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17797" PostId="3987" Score="9" Text="+1 for the interesting history lesson, but I take issue with the gratuitous insinuation that people unfamiliar with the relevant US history are so &quot;either due to growing up in other countries or who had White Supremacist textbooks in school&quot;. There are plenty of people that grew up in the US, not white supremacism, that are just not aware of all the connotations of the Confederate flag. Many of them decent people that can be educated without insinuation or insult. Cont..." CreationDate="2018-11-28T13:56:47.603" UserId="2480" />
  <row Id="17798" PostId="3987" Score="10" Text="Besides, I have met openly antisemitic people that I would trust more do do the right thing in different times and places than other I've met with flawlessly unprejudiced opinions. So I personally don't get too hot when people I don't know flaunt hateful symbols, and in any case I prefer they do that than they become skilled at hiding hateful feelings." CreationDate="2018-11-28T14:00:58.117" UserId="2480" />
  <row Id="22421" PostId="3987" Score="1" Text="Noah Snyder, thanks for voicing your opinion. The comments on the other hand are hilarious. Especially the SE typical Whataboutism: But what about other countries? What about the side question? What about my openly antisemitic friends I trust to do the &quot;right&quot; thing?" CreationDate="2020-07-08T17:06:14.797" UserDisplayName="user160826" />
  <row Id="23788" PostId="3987" Score="1" Text="This trivial post is as of-topin in MetaMo as it would be on MO." CreationDate="2020-08-19T11:24:04.827" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="17784" PostId="3988" Score="3" Text="Hard to answer in a comment! 1) Honda. 2) Network uniformity is certainly a consideration. We want people to have hints that one site is similar to another when it comes to how the various features are used. Obviously there's a balance: every site is different too. Which brings us to: 3) As we near the end of  theme rollout, we're beginning work on what customizations will be available and how they will be managed. More details coming soon, but there will be ways for the various sites to distinguish themselves in the design." CreationDate="2018-11-26T21:31:24.063" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="17791" PostId="3988" Score="29" Text="I also think visually differentiating MSE from MO is important. People have enough trouble already knowing which is appropriate for their question." CreationDate="2018-11-26T23:51:18.633" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17816" PostId="3988" Score="0" Text="About what can be customized, see also the recent https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319274/responsive-design-themes-what-can-sites-customize-and-how-can-they-get-changes ." CreationDate="2018-12-02T16:43:12.513" UserId="49003" />
  <row Id="17772" PostId="3989" Score="2" Text="In fact, for answers to your questions and for comments on *your* posts you get notifications to your inbox. And depending on preferences you set up in your profile, you can also use email notifications (Edt Profile &amp; Settings/Edit Email Settings). See also: [Does Stack Exchange have email notification option?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/122320) This feature request is about notification related to activity on posts of other users." CreationDate="2018-11-25T19:45:56.947" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17773" PostId="3989" Score="1" Text="Regarding the way to see your prior posts - on your profile you can see both your [questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/current?tab=questions) and [answers](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/current?tab=answers)." CreationDate="2018-11-25T19:46:47.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17776" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="Sorry I see that by mistake I have put links to profile on *meta* rather than on the *main site* in the previous link. On the main site, you can also find both [questions](https://mathoverflow.net/users/current?tab=questions) and [answers](https://mathoverflow.net/users/current?tab=answers) in your profile page. (Sorry for the confusion.)" CreationDate="2018-11-26T05:01:03.577" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17790" PostId="3991" Score="5" Text="I think moving the name (and not the link) into a comment is an option explaining that it no longer is suitable. Here is a archived page that explains what happened: https://web.archive.org/web/20150202205546/http://eprintweb.org/S/ One could also give a link to https://web.archive.org/web/20130803071935/http://eprintweb.org/S/ and perhaps also to that crossref blog post." CreationDate="2018-11-26T23:47:47.430" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17793" PostId="3991" Score="0" Text="Perhaps ([meta-tag:editing]) and ([meta-tag:specific-answer]) could be suitable tags for this question. (I'll leave it here in the comments, so that others can decide on the choice of tags. And I am very well aware that this is not too important.)" CreationDate="2018-11-27T08:56:50.780" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17794" PostId="3991" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak I added the editing tag; this is related to a specific answer, but I think is a general question - what to do with deprecated links." CreationDate="2018-11-27T15:21:52.690" UserId="44191" />
  <row Id="17795" PostId="3991" Score="0" Text="I agree that your way of handling it is perfectly reasonable, and also with @DavidRoberts's suggestion (for users without edit privileges) to leave it as a comment—although the latter is presumably less useful for stopping users from following an apparently legitimate link to a now-undesireable target." CreationDate="2018-11-27T18:36:33.030" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17796" PostId="3992" Score="21" Text="Maybe you just don't know how the term &quot;triggered&quot; is [commonly used](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Triggered), but I can oppose the display of a symbol of slavery and white supremacy on MO without having a strong emotional reaction." CreationDate="2018-11-28T08:12:32.887" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="17800" PostId="3992" Score="17" Text="Let us say my favourite number is 88, and I also happen to like fraktur fonts, and the colours red and white. If my profile image was black fraktur 88 on a white circle on a red background, I could conceivably claim it was coincidence that this was a coded reference to Hitler, and people shouldn't get upset because it's just a number. Or perhaps I claim was born in 1988 (I wasn't). This seems standard modus operandi for white supremacists on the internet these days. If one wants to celebrate heritage etc there are ways of doing that aren't insensitive, especially in a medium that lacks nuance." CreationDate="2018-11-28T22:58:24.470" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17801" PostId="3992" Score="14" Text="I guess I'm trying to say is that if I honestly was clueless about the coded meaning '88' has for a number of people these days, I'd hope someone had a gentle chat with me to check my motive: if it was innocent, then perhaps replacing it with something less fraught with meaning. But if it was a purposeful signal to others of like mind, a kindly reminder that we are trying to avoid political signals here, and focus on the mathematics, would not go astray; continuing to flaunt ideals generally held to be detestable could lead to a kind of professional ostracism. Then proceed from there." CreationDate="2018-11-28T23:05:15.173" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17805" PostId="3992" Score="4" Text="I don't think it's possible to avoid all &quot;triggers&quot; (it's an unusual word for me but I hope I'm using it correctly). No matter how innocent an image can be, there can be people that claim they are offended by it." CreationDate="2018-11-29T14:57:35.630" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17803" PostId="3993" Score="3" Text="This is exactly why I made the meta thread! Ah well. (I regret it now!)" CreationDate="2018-11-29T05:13:15.037" UserId="73967" />
  <row Id="17804" PostId="3993" Score="4" Text="I think it would be a good thing if some trace were left (automatically) when content is removed from a moderator, in the Stack Exchange network. Not because of distrust in the current moderators, but as a general practice of accountability. Unfortunately, the view of Stack Exchange on this subject is that normal users cannot check the actions of the moderators." CreationDate="2018-11-29T14:49:21.920" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17815" PostId="3993" Score="8" Text="None of the &quot;trail of comments&quot; was left by moderators.  The original comments objecting to the avatar were left by non-moderators.  The avatar was changed by a SE Community Manager.  When the moderators got there they did delete all the &quot;trail of comments&quot; but this thread had already been started." CreationDate="2018-11-29T22:10:15.167" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="17806" PostId="3995" Score="0" Text="Should I understand that Anton Geraschenko was a moderator at that time? (I do not know where to find a list of the past moderators, if anywhere.)" CreationDate="2018-11-29T16:06:35.333" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="17807" PostId="3995" Score="4" Text="Yes, he was a moderator (and founding member of MathOverflow!). https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1042/antons-departure-as-moderator" CreationDate="2018-11-29T16:47:16.847" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17814" PostId="3995" Score="4" Text="one of the comments in that discussion says &quot;it would be reasonable to apply this [adding the life time dates] in other cases in which the moderators can verify that it is appropriate.&quot; --- I am not sure it has been applied in other cases, but I would indeed consider this appropriate." CreationDate="2018-11-29T21:06:16.490" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="17822" PostId="3995" Score="1" Text="@AlexM. You can find some information about past moderators in this post: [History of MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/753#754). The list of past moderators has not been updated for some time, but I don't think there were any changes since 2013." CreationDate="2018-12-04T10:05:46.683" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27648" PostId="3995" Score="0" Text="Since the link in the post to the discussion on tea [doesn't work at the moment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4438), here is a link [to the Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20130214072923/http://meta.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1429/loss-of-a-member/). (Sadly, some people might have a reason to visit this discussion now after [another user passed away](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/35131) - although he was more active on Mathematics than here.)" CreationDate="2022-09-09T05:19:12.630" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27653" PostId="3995" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Henno Brandsma was well-known as a font of topological knowledge. This is a tragic loss for our community as well." CreationDate="2022-09-10T10:52:23.343" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17808" PostId="3997" Score="2" Text="As far as I know, the users who do not appear in autocomplete are either users who are notified anyway, and from pingable users only some cases which are not used very often, such as pinging an editor or user who closed a question using diamond powers or dupehammer.&#xA;See also the section [Why do some names not appear in the auto-complete box?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/43019#43020) in the FAQ about comment replies. And maybe also this: [Comments @ auto-complete doesn't always appear](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/128925)" CreationDate="2018-11-29T17:19:27.317" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17809" PostId="3997" Score="1" Text="There is also one situation which is not handled ideally in the current system and where something like this could help - namely if several users have the same username. Here is link to the feature request related to this: [How to reply to one user among two having same names?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/125994)" CreationDate="2018-11-29T17:20:14.753" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17810" PostId="3997" Score="1" Text="BTW here are some feature request on the main meta which seem (at least to me) somewhat similar to your suggestion. Both of them are marked ([meta-tag:status-declined]). [Add “Reply” link to comment that pre-populates comment box with @username](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/74778) and [Let's make it easier to reply within comments!](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/4798)" CreationDate="2018-11-29T17:25:50.710" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17811" PostId="3997" Score="3" Text="@MartinSleziak The autocomplete does not exist at all on mobile devices, which are coincidentally also the devices where manually copying and pasting a user name is a royal PITA." CreationDate="2018-11-29T18:21:14.760" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="17812" PostId="3997" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek I was not aware of that. (I have never used any SE site on a mobile device.) I will just add a link to Meta StackExchange where this is documented and some related posts can be found: [Add the comments @ auto-complete to mobile theme](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/197719). Among the linked posts, this one seem the most closely related to the question at hand: [@Replying to non-alphanumeric usernames](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/311123)" CreationDate="2018-11-29T18:27:06.900" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24248" PostId="3999" Score="1" Text="Now there is a possibility to follow a post (which includes possibility to follow an answer to your question). Links to more information can be found [in the corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/follow-post/info)." CreationDate="2020-12-06T11:36:13.303" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17823" PostId="4000" Score="0" Text="You are correct that I am asking about comment to Marc's answer.." CreationDate="2018-12-04T12:25:23.517" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17824" PostId="4000" Score="0" Text="@PraphullaKoushik Thanks for editing the question to clarify this. (This makes my comment on your meta question - which asked exactly about this clarification - obsolete, so I have deleted it.)" CreationDate="2018-12-04T12:30:42.920" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17825" PostId="4000" Score="0" Text="I now understand how it works.. Thank you. I personally feel I should get notified... As you mentioned how it works, I can be careful next time that I do not check just the inbox but actual post where I am expecting some comments.. Your answer is useful.." CreationDate="2018-12-04T12:32:43.970" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17826" PostId="4000" Score="2" Text="My preference would be to get notifications for comments on answers to questions of mine. -- I mean, a comment may even point out that the answer is wrong -- and certainly I would want to know about this in that case." CreationDate="2018-12-04T13:06:24.040" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17827" PostId="4000" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Well, there are two feature requests in my posts which you can upvote to express that preference. (And maybe there are many other similar posts which I did not find.) And of course if you have enough time to do that, you can search a bit on [Stack Apps](https://stackapps.com/) to see whether some extensions available there accomplish this." CreationDate="2018-12-04T13:15:09.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17828" PostId="4000" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl &quot;My preference would be to get notifications for comments on answers to questions of mine.&quot; I mean exactly this.." CreationDate="2018-12-04T13:17:29.900" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="17831" PostId="4001" Score="4" Text="Perhaps a post at [Requests for reopen and undelete votes for on-hold, closed, and deleted questions](//meta.mathoverflow.net/q/223) would be helpful?" CreationDate="2018-12-05T19:43:45.983" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="17832" PostId="4001" Score="3" Text="Certainly it should not be deleted." CreationDate="2018-12-05T21:15:58.273" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="17833" PostId="4001" Score="8" Text="While I do not have a strong opinion on that question in this or that way, an &quot;off-topic&quot; closure after 113 answers looks weird." CreationDate="2018-12-05T21:56:11.343" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17834" PostId="4001" Score="9" Text="I don't recall how I felt at the time about closing the question. (I certainly wasn't a fan of the Bloch example, not so much because I felt it was a mortal sin but because it had the potential to offend and so why post it?) However, I do now feel that these kinds of &quot;shooting the breeze&quot; questions belong to a bygone age of MO, which was a different creature or environment 7 years ago than it is now. So I do not think it is worthwhile to re-open it" CreationDate="2018-12-05T22:36:00.140" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17835" PostId="4001" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl Didn't we use to have an option of &quot;no longer relevant&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-12-05T22:36:54.630" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="17836" PostId="4001" Score="6" Text="I think moderators can lock questions as being of &quot;historical significance&quot; for the site. That option seems appropriate here." CreationDate="2018-12-05T22:49:45.237" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="17837" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="@AndrésE.Caicedo That would even further restrict this question and its answers by preventing edits of any kind." CreationDate="2018-12-06T02:52:07.790" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="17838" PostId="4001" Score="2" Text="@François Yes, but if the alternative is to delete it, it seems to be a reasonable compromise." CreationDate="2018-12-06T04:21:37.250" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="17839" PostId="4001" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi For what it's worth, it has been an invaluable source for material when I give a talk. Funny mathematical quotes distract from my terrible handwriting and boardside manner &gt;&lt;" CreationDate="2018-12-06T08:21:54.410" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17840" PostId="4001" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi: Yes, as far as I recall, before the move to SE 2.0, there was. -- And that close reason would appear more natural to me -- ideally accompanied with a notice that similar questions would nowadays likely not be welcomed in that way any more." CreationDate="2018-12-06T09:58:23.907" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17841" PostId="4001" Score="1" Text="Since it was mentioned in several comments, I will add link to discussion about this specific close reason: [Why isn't “no longer relevant” an option for closing?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/758) (It is missing ([meta-tag:close-reasons]) so that would be a reasonable way to bring this discussion to the front page again. But my guess that this is going to be changed.)" CreationDate="2018-12-06T10:06:39.440" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17842" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="The edit history now shows `Post Reopened by Harry Gindi, [...] -- occurred 5 hours ago`" CreationDate="2018-12-06T15:34:30.657" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="17843" PostId="4001" Score="2" Text="@jeq My effort seems to have been successful. We'll see how long it sticks." CreationDate="2018-12-06T15:46:42.553" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17858" PostId="4001" Score="2" Text="Thanks for your effort @HarryGindi!" CreationDate="2018-12-09T15:58:25.223" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="17865" PostId="4001" Score="5" Text="Meh, that thread was fun for a while but eventually degenerated into a fancier version of abelian grape jokes." CreationDate="2018-12-10T07:30:40.400" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17849" PostId="4002" Score="4" Text="It's Community Wiki. You don't gain or lose reputation points when a thread is in CW." CreationDate="2018-12-08T23:02:05.063" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17850" PostId="4002" Score="0" Text="Pfew, thanks! I'll be happy to delete this question if it's silly and I should've known better." CreationDate="2018-12-08T23:07:11.927" UserId="12518" />
  <row Id="17851" PostId="4002" Score="1" Text="Don't worry about it. If you didn't know, there's a first time for learning anything." CreationDate="2018-12-08T23:08:57.053" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17853" PostId="4002" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I wonder whether it would be better to retag the question as ([meta-tag:support]) or - since it was originally tagged as bug - simply to add ([meta-tag:status-bydesign]). But since the latter can only be added by moderators (or other diamond-bearing  users), it seemed natural to ask you for opinion on this." CreationDate="2018-12-09T07:56:46.783" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17855" PostId="4002" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Tags edited; thanks." CreationDate="2018-12-09T11:26:43.117" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="17872" PostId="4002" Score="0" Text="@AryehKontorovich: no need to delete it!  Community Wiki doesn’t mean the question was bad, just that it fits certain criteria — mostly, that it can have many good answers, and that it’s unlikely any one can be definitive — which, for various reasons, clash a bit with the usual reputation system, and so a CW flag keeps the question open but makes it reputation-neutral." CreationDate="2018-12-10T10:37:09.230" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="17920" PostId="4002" Score="0" Text="Since the question is about situations when upvotes do not add reputation, the daily reputation limit should probably be mentioned, too. For more details, see: [Reputation not moving up while having 27 upvotes](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1906) and [5 points for an upvote to an answer?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3912)." CreationDate="2018-12-14T11:24:56.033" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17854" PostId="4003" Score="1" Text="This post was linked in the previous discussion: [Responsive Design Themes - What can sites customize and how can they get changes implemented?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/319274) Maybe it answers at least some of your question." CreationDate="2018-12-09T11:09:58.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17857" PostId="4003" Score="2" Text="Regarding question 2: &quot;When does the new theme exit beta mode and become live?&quot; As far as I can tell, it already is live. This post seems to confirm it: [Rollout of responsive design site themes - Tracking post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/314979). As pointed out [in jeq's comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3976/mathoverflow-updated-site-theme-is-ready-for-testing?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1#comment17847_3976) on the previous post, this happend on December 7th: https://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/314979/35 https://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/314979/36" CreationDate="2018-12-09T15:22:17.647" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17859" PostId="4003" Score="3" Text="Oh wow -- it hadn't even occurred to me that the changes might already be live -- that was very fast! Which leaves me wondering what the point of the beta testing phase was..." CreationDate="2018-12-09T18:08:14.807" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17864" PostId="4003" Score="2" Text="The beta phase was longer on some sites depending on when we announced the upcoming update to the theme. Unfortunately, MO ended up in one of the later groups and we had a hard activation date of December 7th due to Winter Bash (which I'm aware MO doesn't participate in). I do apologize for the brevity of the beta, though. In an effort to balance that, I'm trying to be accessible to MO so that if there are concerns we could address quickly, we're easy to reach. Both Jon Ericson and I are points of contact regarding this. I was on parental leave when the announcement was posted on MO." CreationDate="2018-12-10T05:08:03.553" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17860" PostId="4004" Score="12" Text="*Maybe we should consider having the words &quot;research mathematics&quot; appear somewhere on the front page?* If you access the site without being logged into an account, it already says &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians&quot;. But I agree with you that [we should warn new users more prominently](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3386/1898) that this isn't a site for their homework and has strict standards on what is acceptable." CreationDate="2018-12-09T21:30:23.043" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17862" PostId="4004" Score="3" Text="Hey MO! Commenting here to be pingable if you have any questions I can help with. Some ideas that aren't in your list - tag colors can be customized to be more different. If the site used to be more green/orange, we could go with green tags with white text. We can also change the color of the question titles in the questions list and links can be colored separately from the titles or they can be the same color. Tags don't scroll but they're more visible in more places. Same with links, which appear to be blue on both sites." CreationDate="2018-12-10T04:57:56.603" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17866" PostId="4004" Score="10" Text="Just put it back the way it was please.  It worked fine.  It wasn't broken and didn't need fixing." CreationDate="2018-12-10T07:32:22.830" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="17870" PostId="4004" Score="6" Text="@Catija Could you clarify why SE is using color schemes that are so similar with each other for different sites? For me this is the main reason why all sites feel the same (note that I am colorblind, so my color perception could be different from the &quot;standard&quot; one)" CreationDate="2018-12-10T10:19:48.577" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17871" PostId="4004" Score="10" Text="@none: From the user end, it was great before.  But StackExchange has explained in various places that one of the motivations for the change was about work behind the scenes: maintaining many highly divergent sites was a lot more labour-intensive for them than maintaining a single more unified codebase.  This seems a fair reason — unlike the claimed “improvements” for users, which I agree feel more like a step backwards.  So the approach of this question seems much fairer, and more likely to succeed, than asking for a full rollback." CreationDate="2018-12-10T10:31:51.983" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="17880" PostId="4004" Score="0" Text="@DenisNardin It may depend on which sites you use. Many of the sites have design elements that set them apart from others but some sites definitely end up looking very much the same - particularly, I'm guessing, for users like yourself who may not be able to see color differences. We're working on accessibility concerns for the entire network but that won't really address the sites looking the same. We've long had the problem of having difficulty adding new features to the network because the sites' CSS were so different, we'd spend as much time fixing bugs as developing the feature." CreationDate="2018-12-10T21:39:30.097" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17881" PostId="4004" Score="1" Text="This simplification of the site designs is our solution to get away from a mountain of technical debt in preference of simplicity and rolling out features people have been wanting for years. Cleaning this up is removing something like 16k lines of code for site-specific customizations. It's also giving us a home base (the left sidebar) for projects we're working on like Custom Questions Lists and it gives us a place to host Teams navigation, which is currently Stack Overflow-specific. Another feature is the responsive nature of the pages, which we've had long-time outstanding requests for." CreationDate="2018-12-10T21:42:36.120" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17887" PostId="4004" Score="0" Text="Also, beyond the color differences, every distinction that is not in the &quot;central column&quot; (where Q&amp;A or the list of questions are) is going to be essentially invisible for me. I don't think I'm the only one that looks only at the central column while navigating the site." CreationDate="2018-12-11T10:52:58.677" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17888" PostId="4004" Score="5" Text="@Catija Sounds like you are suggesting a false dichotomy here. You *can* have visually different sites even without the technical debt of maintaining many lines of code. A couple of `color` statement in a CSS, a different background pattern and a few custom buttons are enough to differentiate them visually." CreationDate="2018-12-11T10:53:18.383" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17889" PostId="4004" Score="3" Text="WHY?  It seems to me a big **mathoverflow** at the top is enough to differentiate &quot;us&quot; from &quot;them&quot;." CreationDate="2018-12-11T12:41:21.167" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="17890" PostId="4004" Score="11" Text="@GeraldEdgar As somebody who uses both sites, and often has multiple tabs from each site open in my browser at a time, I would personally prefer to have more visual cues differentiating the two sites than there are currently." CreationDate="2018-12-11T12:45:54.703" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17891" PostId="4004" Score="3" Text="Since you listed the differences, perhaps this is worth adding to the list. (It's easy to miss, but OTOH it remains even when I scroll.) On most pages - and when I haven't recently done some search on the site - I see in the top bar &quot;Search on MathOverflow&quot; vs. &quot;Search on Mathematics&quot;." CreationDate="2018-12-11T18:53:38.397" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17895" PostId="4004" Score="3" Text="Big fan of the color orange here =]!" CreationDate="2018-12-12T08:47:21.553" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17898" PostId="4004" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni I think that Jon explains it a bit better than I could: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319089/responsive-design-now-available-on-all-sites-new-theme-customization-coming-soo#comment1047668_319089 We want to make intentional choices rather than haphazard ones. A couple of color statements here and there is what got us where we are right now.... with extremely complex and different sites... but nothing you mention in your comment is out of the realm of possibility. Tag colors and background colors/patterns are customizable." CreationDate="2018-12-12T19:58:27.170" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17940" PostId="4004" Score="1" Text="To repeat what I said in chat: when the window width is narrow enough to switch to a mobile layout, the 'Search on MathOverflow/Mathematics/Generic.SE.site' vanishes, leaving no sign when scrolled down, just the StackExchange logo." CreationDate="2018-12-15T06:21:31.143" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17861" PostId="4005" Score="29" Text="I also hate the new design.  But I'm curious about  what perceived problems it's intended to solve." CreationDate="2018-12-10T02:42:24.117" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="17867" PostId="4005" Score="14" Text="I don't like the new design either, but I find your post a bit too confrontational. By the way, the &quot;hosting&quot; SE provides does include site theming, so calling it &quot;hosting&quot; is a bit misleading. It's more like SE provides the software platform, while MO provides the content." CreationDate="2018-12-10T08:17:25.190" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17869" PostId="4005" Score="18" Text="“[…] StackExchange simply hosted the site… But now it seems it is getting its grubby little fingers into the sites workings.”  I’m not a fan of the redesign, but this sort of rude and inaccurate characterisation doesn’t put our case well.  It’s not like the landlord coming in and redecorating your home, more like that the café where we all hang out has decided to redecorate.  So it’s worthwhile to point out that we find the new setup ugly and impractical, and we think they’re making a mistake that’ll alienate clientele, but it’s not like they’re overstepping their rights or anything." CreationDate="2018-12-10T09:30:10.237" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="17873" PostId="4005" Score="7" Text="I liked the old design better, mainly for the reason described [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/3978/11260), but I'm sure we'll get used to the new design; let's put our energy on more content-based issues." CreationDate="2018-12-10T11:43:53.320" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="17874" PostId="4005" Score="7" Text="Unpopular opinion warning: as someone who uses multiple sites in the StackExchange multiverse, I appreciate design unification" CreationDate="2018-12-10T13:53:37.737" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="17875" PostId="4005" Score="30" Text="@DominicvanderZypen As someone who uses multiple sites, I don't like it at all. Many visual cues that differentiate them are now gone, as well as many nice details and personalizations (e.g., {tagname} on tex.se and /tagname on unix.se). They all feel more vanilla now, like the beta sites." CreationDate="2018-12-10T13:56:40.447" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17877" PostId="4005" Score="2" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine I understand your point of view. I am simply stating mine. I am not being diplomatic, just telling SE how I feel using their new design." CreationDate="2018-12-10T16:18:12.373" UserId="54401" />
  <row Id="17878" PostId="4005" Score="18" Text="@DominicvanderZypen As someone that uses more than one site, I liked being able to distinguish at a glance in which site I was. Right now I need to quickly take a look at the title bar to make sure I'm on the right site... Honesty they were already pretty similar before. I understand the need to simplify the code base, but this is really, really generic" CreationDate="2018-12-10T17:28:22.060" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17882" PostId="4005" Score="3" Text="I think it's reasonable to [say](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4005/i-dont-like-the-new-design-and-i-am-not-the-only-one#comment17877_4005) that you don't have to be diplomatic when expressing your opinion of a site re-design in general; but possibly if you're using that site itself, it and its contents provided to you for your use for free, to express your opinions, then it is well to consider whether special efforts at diplomacy are called for.  (I also hate the re-design!  But, roughly as @CarloBeenakker says, soon enough I will get used to it, just in time to hate the next one.)" CreationDate="2018-12-10T22:06:06.573" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17892" PostId="4005" Score="9" Text="If there was some hidden problem with the old design that is solved now, I can leave with it. The changes are far less drastic than it was when the AoPS site got redesigned (that was a real something, so I hardly visit it anymore nowadays) and MO still works without glitches. But changes for the sake of changes always strike me as counterproductive. If something works fine, my vote would be like in that funny story about a programmer responding to the question why the Sun always rises in the East: &quot;Always in the East? Very good, just don't touch or change anything now...&quot;" CreationDate="2018-12-11T19:42:40.057" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="17893" PostId="4005" Score="5" Text="@fedja, it sounds from the maintainers' posts like everything was working fine for *us*, but not for *them*.  As much as I don't like the change, or what I perceive as the (usual) lack of communication surrounding it and heavy-handedness in imposing it, I think that it is not just change for change's sake." CreationDate="2018-12-11T20:12:50.287" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17907" PostId="4005" Score="3" Text="Sorry but I find such radical stance inefficient, and also imprecise. Too many small things have been changed, it looks strange if somebody finds all these changes equally intolerable. You sound more like you want to stick to things you are used to with such stance. Why not be more specific? Why not try to explain why is this or that new feature inconvenient *in the long run*, not from the point of view of being used to it? There are some such features in my opinion. Not many, but..." CreationDate="2018-12-13T19:28:21.637" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="18000" PostId="4005" Score="0" Text="There's a long discussion of related issues here: https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/28842/mathematics-new-site-theme-is-live/28854#comment121979_28854" CreationDate="2018-12-20T07:11:52.777" UserId="50265" />
  <row Id="17883" PostId="4007" Score="10" Text="To misquote Brian Conrad:  people lived in caves!" CreationDate="2018-12-11T05:22:33.997" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="17884" PostId="4007" Score="3" Text="The nForum, but that was of course for a very specialised type of discussion :-)" CreationDate="2018-12-11T08:16:12.687" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17885" PostId="4007" Score="3" Text="Mailing lists were a big thing. Still active and dating back to the 90s that I am aware of are the categories list and the fom (=foundations of mathematics) list. There were serious flame wars on fom about categories in the late 90s that I read on the archives with amazement (this was about a decade later). The diamond OA journal Theory and Applications of Categories was essentially launched on the categories mailing list." CreationDate="2018-12-11T08:30:19.340" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17886" PostId="4007" Score="1" Text="I will add a link to previous post on this meta related to @DavidRoberts' comment about mailing lists: [Mailing lists / Usenet groups for research math](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3214)." CreationDate="2018-12-11T10:32:09.087" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17896" PostId="4007" Score="4" Text="Sitting with your friends in a bar and talking about math." CreationDate="2018-12-12T09:16:45.137" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="17972" PostId="4007" Score="1" Text="@Lucia You make me very curious. Mis- of which quote was that?" CreationDate="2018-12-18T05:17:39.397" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17973" PostId="4007" Score="10" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე: Before functoriality, people lived in caves!" CreationDate="2018-12-18T06:04:08.303" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="18092" PostId="4007" Score="1" Text="I wouldn't call them &quot;substitute for MO&quot;." CreationDate="2018-12-31T10:35:59.370" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="17894" PostId="4008" Score="0" Text="The math irc channels were never at the level of MO. The only person I ever met there with a Ph.D. was Mariano Suarez-Alvarez." CreationDate="2018-12-12T06:25:03.437" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17897" PostId="4008" Score="3" Text="@Harry, I guess you were on the wrong network. https://mathoverflow.net/a/30695 was gleaned from a sci.math post which came from a discussion David and I had on #math. We also did some group theory, general algebra, and some combinatorial matrix theory back in the day.  Gerhard &quot;Guess You Had To Be There&quot; Paseman, 2018.12.12." CreationDate="2018-12-12T15:21:41.967" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18010" PostId="4008" Score="0" Text="ArXiv started in August 1991: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArXiv" CreationDate="2018-12-21T03:32:44.427" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="18011" PostId="4008" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan, indeed. Do you know when they started accepting mathematics preprints?  Gerhard  &quot;Not Up On The History&quot; Paseman, 2018.12.20." CreationDate="2018-12-21T04:57:37.370" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18021" PostId="4008" Score="1" Text="That is a bit complicated.  According to this page: https://arxiv.org/archive/math the first mathematics preprints were posted February 1992.  On the other hand, we see from https://arxiv.org/list/math/9110 that there were 3 preprints from October 1991 that later got math cross-listings.  Finally, it seems the &quot;math ArXiv&quot; as a separate entity with its own subject headings was initiated in December 1997: https://arxiv.org/new/math.html" CreationDate="2018-12-22T04:52:03.160" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="18022" PostId="4008" Score="0" Text="Thus my hedging. In any case, by 1996, they had several mathematics papers, if not a formal mathematics archive.  Gerhard &quot;Trying For Truth Over Accuracy&quot; Paseman, 2018.12.21." CreationDate="2018-12-22T06:05:34.563" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18024" PostId="4008" Score="0" Text="There were other subject-specific preprint servers, much as the arXiv started out (for high-energy physics). One that stuck around for quite a while was the K-theory one https://faculty.math.illinois.edu/K-theory/ though it started in 1993, it seems. At the time there was a peculiar practice of removing the paper once it was published and keeping only the abstract; how quaint! Here's an old list of more, with a stack of broken links https://www.uni-math.gwdg.de/WorldMath/Preprints.html Perhaps the Wayback Machine can illuminate." CreationDate="2018-12-24T05:29:50.677" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18025" PostId="4008" Score="0" Text="Mathematical physics, mp_arc, dating back to 1991 https://web.ma.utexas.edu/mp_arc/mp_arc-home.html?" CreationDate="2018-12-24T05:33:33.563" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17960" PostId="4009" Score="1" Text="Gerhard &quot;Hasn't Looked Back That Often&quot; Paseman's answer incorporates USENET as well. It seems that USENET was very active once although the total volume of threads there is considerably less (~16000 in math.research) than at MO today (~100000)." CreationDate="2018-12-17T05:17:44.157" UserId="118731" />
  <row Id="17971" PostId="4009" Score="2" Text="sci.math.research was moderated and had a much smaller volume than sci.math (just as MO has a much smaler volume than m.se)." CreationDate="2018-12-18T02:28:51.297" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26634" PostId="4010" Score="0" Text="There were only 6 questions with the tag [tag:analysis-and-odes] (mostly by a single user). I've now retagged all of them." CreationDate="2021-12-08T08:51:24.793" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="17902" PostId="4011" Score="2" Text="+1, I'd really love if MO could go back to something approaching the old color scheme. I realize they don't want to make the codebase explode, but controlling the colors of the main elements really shouldn't be that hard." CreationDate="2018-12-13T11:11:47.563" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17903" PostId="4011" Score="1" Text="My feeling is that the previous scheme, placing a color emphasis on whether an answer was accepted or not, tended to discourage engagement with questions having an accepted answer. People wouldn't click through to look at them, if they were already answered, even when there were interesting new posts with new ideas or issues." CreationDate="2018-12-13T12:49:04.050" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="17904" PostId="4011" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins That's a fair point, but for me a few thoughts come to mind. 1. For a question with an accepted answer it's _supposed_ to be less likely that there remains something interesting to be added on the topic. 2. I'd actually argue that the new scheme puts _more_ emphasis on the distinction between accepted and nonaccepted answers (because the green frame for nonaccepted answers is not that different from the blank frame for unanswered questions, whereas in the old scheme it's the light green which is not that different from the dark green)." CreationDate="2018-12-13T17:37:08.550" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17905" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="3. I wonder if some of the dynamic you describe could be attributed to other differences in how accepted answers are handled. For instance, I might be wrong but I think a question with an accepted answer doesn't get bumped to the front page when a new answer or edit is made.  4. There might also be the possibility of asking for this customization, and then choosing a different color scheme altogether, neither the old one nor the current one." CreationDate="2018-12-13T17:37:49.170" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17906" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="I disagree with 1, since I know of numerous instances where something was definitely added after the accept, and then it got little attention. You might be right about 2, and in that case I'd argue as in 4 for not indicating the information so explicitly. I don't think you are right about 3, since I've often posted on such questions, and they bump." CreationDate="2018-12-13T17:41:02.720" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="18125" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion Accepted answer does not influence whether or not a question is bumped. More details on bumping (and a further link to rather long FAQ post) can be found [in the corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/bumping/info)." CreationDate="2019-01-07T18:59:13.643" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17926" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="Art is a great way to make the site unique. It can be a full-width pattern like [photo.se] or a single image like [rpg.se] or [worldbuilding.se]. With the latter, be aware that with responsive design, we limit the artwork width to prevent it from overlapping with the logo, though it can be integrated somewhat - see [movies.se] for an example." CreationDate="2018-12-14T17:37:28.573" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="18023" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="I'm actually more than happy with the current MO header. Moreover the header is not in view for most of the navigation throughout the site (even when looking at the main page, the header is quickly hidden by scrolling). Maybe some art in the side bar is a good idea, though what kind of art I cannot fathom..." CreationDate="2018-12-22T22:03:25.967" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17925" PostId="4013" Score="0" Text="Both this and the artwork are great options. Feel free to start new questions/discussions for this and we'll look at what you come up with... Please note that for the background, it must be light enough that black text is clearly visible on it (for the left navigation). I outline some of this in my Meta.SE post but if you have any questions, let me know." CreationDate="2018-12-14T17:34:56.220" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17935" PostId="4013" Score="5" Text="giant spectral sequence background" CreationDate="2018-12-15T01:42:22.920" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17980" PostId="4013" Score="0" Text="Maybe just a simple colour would be enough, though? Quite some SE sites seem to use that, and I find it quite effective. Maybe a light orange?" CreationDate="2018-12-18T11:16:49.920" UserId="8338" />
  <row Id="17983" PostId="4013" Score="0" Text="I've asked a [separate question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4027/in-the-new-site-design-what-should-the-background-look-like-on-mo) now entirely about the background." CreationDate="2018-12-18T17:33:45.693" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="18001" PostId="4013" Score="0" Text="I'm not that bothered about the new design in general... except that with all the white space everywhere I feel kind of dazzled when I look at the site, and don't find it comfortable to read the text. Any background that alleviated dazzle would be helpful for me." CreationDate="2018-12-20T11:56:29.000" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="17910" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="I'd like to advertise here that an example of (5) is up and running in [this question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4004/how-can-we-visually-differentiate-mathoverflow-from-mathstackexchange-within-the)." CreationDate="2018-12-13T20:29:38.200" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17899" PostId="4015" Score="6" Text="&quot;MathOverflow&quot; is actually owned by a different entity: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/969/who-owns-mathoverflow" CreationDate="2018-12-13T04:57:43.897" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17901" PostId="4016" Score="13" Text="Besides that, .com wouldn't fit already since MathOverflow is not a commercial site." CreationDate="2018-12-13T09:46:48.103" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="17908" PostId="4018" Score="1" Text="Symptomatic of what?" CreationDate="2018-12-13T19:29:21.437" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="17909" PostId="4018" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson This is probably stylistically incorrect, but the very fact that it is a symptom of something is unpleasant for me. Concerning your question - well, it is a symptom of turning things upside down I guess..." CreationDate="2018-12-13T19:32:19.033" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17911" PostId="4018" Score="13" Text="You're thinking about it wrong. You're talking as though SE tweaked a bunch of things and you want them to tweak them back. But that's not what happened. What happened is that SE threw out all the old code running the website and replaced it with something brand new. It's impossible to tweak a thing here or there back to the way it was. However, SE is providing customization options within the new theme (headers, backgrounds, tag colors etc). I would like to see a complete list of what options are available. And if something is not available, we can ask them to re-implement it." CreationDate="2018-12-13T23:11:56.753" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17912" PostId="4018" Score="1" Text="@TimCampion Thank you! You see amount of my confusion - I could not figure that out even." CreationDate="2018-12-14T04:48:53.780" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17913" PostId="4018" Score="0" Text="Still, I don't understand all of this well enough to be sure I can find a correct reformulation. In any case, there are changes that are technically inevitable, changes that can be reverted and changes that can be reverted but are preferred to be kept the way they are now, right?" CreationDate="2018-12-14T04:54:37.517" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17923" PostId="4018" Score="3" Text="Probably the better way to think of it is that nothing can be reverted, but there are some further changes that can be made. Some of the further changes available to us could _simulate_ or _approximate_ elements of the old way the site was (or conversely they could make it even more different). And some options not currently available to us could be implemented if we ask and it seems reasonable to the folks at SE. But it seems if we want something not currently implemented we'll have to &quot;make our case&quot;, they're not going to implement it casually." CreationDate="2018-12-14T17:33:54.603" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17924" PostId="4018" Score="0" Text="OK but do you know what are the restrictions to that? And which of them are of technical nature (just impossible to do), which are of stylistic nature (uniformity) and which because of the things like accessibility or responsive design - possible but will create inconveniences for some users?" CreationDate="2018-12-14T17:34:17.473" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17927" PostId="4018" Score="0" Text="From the pushback we're getting to [this suggestion](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/3978/2362) my impression is the thing they're most wary of is the incremental added complexity to their codebase which comes with each change, plus the cost of devoting resources to these things when they've got lots of more substantive projects they really want to work on. But I'm sure the relative importance of different considerations would vary from suggestion to suggestion." CreationDate="2018-12-14T17:41:25.727" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17928" PostId="4018" Score="0" Text="I see... well, this is, I think, one possible answer, if tentative. It will be probably very easy to provide a substantial explanation of why do we need this or that feature. But I guess it would be more difficult to reach consensus of the whole MO community for that. Is it known whether they require that?" CreationDate="2018-12-14T17:48:30.750" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17936" PostId="4018" Score="3" Text="I'm not sure, and still learning things too. From [this message](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/48066426#48066426) from Catija, it sounds like the process is more &quot;we discuss things to give them an idea of what we want, then their design team will come up with something using that as a guide&quot;. From [Catija's latest comments here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3976/mathoverflow-updated-site-theme-is-ready-for-testing/3978#3978), it sounds like they really want a certain degree of uniformity to the sites, so our options are going to be kind of limited." CreationDate="2018-12-15T02:02:30.173" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17985" PostId="4020" Score="2" Text="Worth adding: there's also a discussion focused on the [background](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4027/in-the-new-site-design-what-should-the-background-look-like-on-mo) and [over here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4022/how-can-i-customize-site-in-my-browser-to-get-old-feel-look-of-mathoverflow) you can find out about individually modifying the look of the site in your browser. Personally, I found the look to be worlds better after I started running [Denis Nardin's CSS code](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4032/2362) to get back the old color scheme on the front page." CreationDate="2018-12-18T17:52:23.163" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17986" PostId="4020" Score="4" Text="Also worth adding: over [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4028/2362) Federico Poloni points out that MO's agreement with SE allows our moderators to implement certain changes on our own. So if SE is not responsive enough to our needs, we can always take that route." CreationDate="2018-12-18T17:55:31.490" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17914" PostId="4021" Score="1" Text="You know that a question with a bounty is displayed for 7 days in the featured tab on the main site, right? The time of offering a bounty influences mainly when the question is bumped to the frontpage - but bounty is definitely not the only thing which can bump a question. After offering the bounty the question stays among featured question for one whole week." CreationDate="2018-12-14T07:13:30.877" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17916" PostId="4021" Score="2" Text="Just to clarify, what is exactly what you expect as an answer for this question? Percentage of questions with accepted answers depending on the day of the week when the bounty was offered? Average number of answers depending of the day of the week when the bounty was offered? I guess something like that should be possible to do using [SEDE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info)." CreationDate="2018-12-14T07:56:48.097" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17918" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="My SQL skills are not very good, but I have tried to made at least some very basic queries and asked in the [SEDE chatroom](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/1223/2018/12/14) for further advice. If somebody is interested in making SEDE queries, you can also join us in that room." CreationDate="2018-12-14T08:13:28.533" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17921" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="It is not that clear whether this correlates with the days when more people view the site - I suppose it might be more complicated than that. But since you mentioned days when &quot;people are less likely to be at work&quot;, I'll add a link to a previous post where one of the answer shows at least some data about traffic: [the number of on line users at a given moment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3356)." CreationDate="2018-12-14T13:33:16.560" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17919" PostId="4022" Score="0" Text="I was a bit unsure which tags to choose for this question. The tag (color-scheme) seems to be close to CSS's. I have created (user-scripts) tag - tag with this or similar name exists on some other metas, like [Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/userscript), [Meta Mi Yodeya](https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/user-scripts), [Meta Mathematics](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/user-scripts)." CreationDate="2018-12-14T10:32:36.840" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17947" PostId="4022" Score="1" Text="Recently I found [a userstyle on Meta Drupal](https://drupal.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3740/35727) to return the layout to the &quot;old feel&quot;. I believe the userstyle still needs to be adjusted to suit this site's theme." CreationDate="2018-12-15T17:50:13.670" UserId="60571" />
  <row Id="17930" PostId="4026" Score="0" Text="Note that there has been further discussion on this topic [in the chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369)." CreationDate="2018-12-14T23:07:50.803" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17939" PostId="4026" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni The way you linked to the chat, it will always show the transcript with the most recent messages in that chat room. I will add a link to [December 14 in the transcript](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/12/14). I believe that near the top of this part of the transcript is the discussion you're referring to. (I left a brief explanation what are various option how to [link to discussions in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/19138/conversation/links-to-chat) elsewhere - it's unrelated to this issue.)" CreationDate="2018-12-15T05:58:48.247" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17941" PostId="4026" Score="0" Text="Oops thanks @MartinSleziak" CreationDate="2018-12-15T08:49:17.753" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17953" PostId="4027" Score="1" Text="concerning the desire to differentiate MO from MSE: I noticed that originally the MathOverflow banner said &quot;Welcome to MathOverflow: A place for mathematicians to ask and answer questions&quot; [(see for example this 2011 posting)](https://www.simonsfoundation.org/2011/05/18/the-global-math-commons/) --- we might re-introduce this text at the top, and then just take some non-MO-specific background color." CreationDate="2018-12-16T22:17:08.643" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="17969" PostId="4027" Score="0" Text="More recently, if you visit the site without being logged in, there is a banner saying &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians. Join them; it only takes a minute: &quot;. For example, [here's](https://web.archive.org/web/20180309052017/https://mathoverflow.net/) a screenshot from the wayback machine pulled at random. I tried to reproduce this on my browser, but couldn't get it. However, a [recent wayback machine capture](https://web.archive.org/web/20181217090319/https://mathoverflow.net/) appears to have this message, so probably it's cookie-related." CreationDate="2018-12-17T20:01:33.453" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="18013" PostId="4027" Score="0" Text="Please NO to plain white. There is so much white on the front page already that I am completely dazzled when I look at it.... A light green, for instance, would be fine with me. But any colour other than white / grey would work for me..." CreationDate="2018-12-21T09:35:10.880" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="17942" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="Well that's precisely what I (and, I am sure, many others) wanted to hear, and I very much want to accept this one. But do you know for sure your conclusion is *technically* correct? I mean, do we have rigorous definitions for things like &quot;reasonable adjustments&quot; or &quot;compromise the technical integrity&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-12-15T16:16:10.060" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="17943" PostId="4028" Score="5" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I am not a lawyer, so I cannot offer any guarantee, but I'd take &quot;not compromise the technical integrity&quot; to mean &quot;don't break stuff in the network&quot;. And I find it difficult to argue that restoring a color scheme to the way it has been for years is an unreasonable change." CreationDate="2018-12-15T16:19:52.453" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18009" PostId="4028" Score="2" Text="Personally, I don't think tweaking web design is a reasonable adjustment. We put this clause in for substantive features, such as the trial of the citation tool, which was later adopted and fully supported by SE. Injecting javascript which modified the layout of the page, or the behaviour of user interface elements, seems like a massive maintenance task, and I don't foresee MO being able to do this. Would we hire a programmer?" CreationDate="2018-12-21T01:37:58.403" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="18012" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison I think you are overestimating the difficulty of this task. Denis Nardin has basically already posted a complete CSS solution that sets the color scheme the way we wanted, and adding a CSS via Javascript is [not complicated](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/707565/how-do-you-add-css-with-javascript). Make it open source so that people can adjust it in case bugs or other needs arise (for instance, mobile, browser compatibility issues...), and I think we're good." CreationDate="2018-12-21T07:15:44.460" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18014" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison If I may, I will just ask whether it would be more suitable to post the proposal with the solution using adding the code on MathOverflow's side (and asking Stack Exchange to include it based on the agreement cited here) would be better as a separate question. (I am suggesting this simply because this would make both the proposal and the discussion about this more visible than here. And it is probably easier to discuss technical details and potential problems in answer rather than in comments. ..." CreationDate="2018-12-21T10:26:23.973" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18015" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="... Although I can see that waiting a bit first before posting a separate question about this might also be reasonable option - at this time of the year, not many users will joint the discussion on meta. Not to mention that number of questions related to the new design is already relatively large.)" CreationDate="2018-12-21T10:26:41.997" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18016" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison By the way, I just noticed that Tobias Diez basically [already wrote](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4036/1898) the [Javascript code](https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/375663-mathoverflow-design/code) needed for this." CreationDate="2018-12-21T14:18:13.843" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18017" PostId="4028" Score="1" Text="This agreement was designed to apply to things like MathJax an the citation tool, not the CSS of the site. With unified theming, we can make quick changes to the layout for new features, etc, that may have the side effect of breaking the scripting frequently. In addition - and more importantly - there are security concerns around hosting custom CSS on another domain that make doing so far outside the scope of this agreement. We'll work with y'all early next year to address the usability concerns but this agreement isn't applicable here." CreationDate="2018-12-21T14:57:43.220" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="18018" PostId="4028" Score="1" Text="@Catija Have you seen Tobias Diez's userscript, which I linked above? It does not require any external files apart from the Javascript source code, so your concern about externally hosted files does not apply. Also, I think the agreement addresses explicitly maintaining the code (and does *not* contain any restriction that excludes CSS tweaks)." CreationDate="2018-12-21T15:08:15.543" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18019" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="I think we're far from wanting to invoke that part of the agreement at this point. It's clear that SE does want to help here, and that the suggested changes (bring the color schemes back closer to the old design, perhaps introduce a faint background) seem within scope of what SE is happy to customise. Let's focus now on getting a clearly specified request for theming changes, and hope that SE can implement it soon in the new year." CreationDate="2018-12-21T23:24:46.147" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="18020" PostId="4028" Score="3" Text="That said, if SE wasn't willing to make reasonable theming changes (we're in an alternate universe hypothetical here, just to be clear), then I think the agreement pretty clearly encompasses us asking for a JavaScript footer that implements some CSS changes. There are no security implications because it wouldn't be 3rd party hosted -- SE would host it, just as they did for our former custom JavaScript footer." CreationDate="2018-12-22T00:15:55.870" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="18203" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="@ScottMorrison *Let's focus now on getting a clearly specified request for theming changes* Any updates on this issue from the moderators' side? In the past month several users have suggested design changes here on Meta; and these suggestions have received a number of upvotes. Are you still waiting for user input? What sort of input specifically? Have moderators taken a decision and formulated a request for theming changes to be submitted to the SE team?" CreationDate="2019-01-22T23:11:42.350" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17963" PostId="4030" Score="1" Text="I really like the Orange-100 that you posted in the chat." CreationDate="2018-12-17T12:56:50.173" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17964" PostId="4030" Score="0" Text="Here is a link to the [chat message](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/48086456#48086456) and [screenshot](https://i.stack.imgur.com/S5SQA.png) the previous comment is referring to." CreationDate="2018-12-17T12:58:16.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18008" PostId="4030" Score="1" Text="I think this idea is fantastic.  I'm not sure either of these colors is the right one, I'd want one of the actual colors in the logo, but anything orange-y (including your first suggestion) I'd be content with." CreationDate="2018-12-20T23:49:02.407" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="18782" PostId="4030" Score="0" Text="From what limited experience I have designing websites, I would pick a colour scheme that's consistent and does not draw too much attention. Thus, the best fit would be an [off white](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_white) or a subtle orange (because of the MO logo). Small changes are more noticeable with light colours than dark ones, so already orange-050 seems a bit much to me." CreationDate="2019-04-06T20:53:23.263" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="17974" PostId="4031" Score="1" Text="Thanks for this. :) So, would a solid color like what Martin suggested fill these needs, assuming it was a color not used elsewhere? I could use a bit more clarity on your second point. Do you mean that it should be something that is unique to MO - like a specific color or pattern - or something that is actually math-related, like an image or some equations?" CreationDate="2018-12-18T06:36:48.850" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17991" PostId="4031" Score="0" Text="@Catija I would prefer it to be not only unique to MO, but also instantly recognizable as MO, if possible. One possibility would be just to have letters MO in slightly lighter color over the background in some regular or irregular pattern, but, probably, there are some other options that might allow one to tell immediately that it is not MSE, say, even if they are here for the first time. Pure solid color will hardly do this job." CreationDate="2018-12-19T14:33:11.057" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="17994" PostId="4031" Score="2" Text="I think I disagree about the inadequacy of solid color. It seems to me that as long as the look is sufficiently different from other sites, it doesn't need to explicitly tell you that it's MO -- old users will quickly pick up on the difference and subconsciously know what site they're on, while for new users, it wouldn't mean much to them to write &quot;MO&quot; everywhere since they won't even know what that means." CreationDate="2018-12-19T17:47:44.500" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17999" PostId="4031" Score="1" Text="@TimCampion &amp; fedja It's possible that we could do something like the [ell.se] sidebar... it's a solid color with a pattern that peters out as you move down the page." CreationDate="2018-12-20T04:28:59.560" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="18006" PostId="4031" Score="0" Text="@Catija I see no reason why not :-) Anyway, I just voiced my opinion. If the majority prefers something else or thinks otherwise, that's fine with me ;-)" CreationDate="2018-12-20T19:42:09.703" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="17965" PostId="4032" Score="2" Text="This is great! Thanks!" CreationDate="2018-12-17T13:09:59.550" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="17967" PostId="4032" Score="4" Text="Wow, it's amazing how much difference just a little color can make to the appearance of the site!" CreationDate="2018-12-17T18:54:41.390" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17968" PostId="4032" Score="4" Text="Yeah, I'd like to point out how *small* this change is. Literally just a few colors in strategic places." CreationDate="2018-12-17T19:20:11.127" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17970" PostId="4032" Score="0" Text="Is is possible to edit to get the question highlighting on the front page for watched tags?" CreationDate="2018-12-18T00:53:51.443" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17975" PostId="4032" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts I never changed it, so you still have question highlighting. It is true that the color is very light, so you might want to replace it with something else. In that case, yes it is possible, but which color (hex code, please) would you like to use?" CreationDate="2018-12-18T06:52:21.110" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17976" PostId="4032" Score="0" Text="To clarify: the current &quot;highlighted&quot; background is [#fffbec](https://www.color-hex.com/color/fffbec), while the background of other questions is white, #fff." CreationDate="2018-12-18T07:14:13.503" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17977" PostId="4032" Score="1" Text="Last comment and then I'll shut up: the old color used to be [#fff5de](https://www.color-hex.com/color/fff5de), but I cannot literally see any improvement with it, so I don't see any reason to change it. If people want it though I can easily add it." CreationDate="2018-12-18T08:48:25.643" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17978" PostId="4032" Score="0" Text="Aaand, I went on and added it anyway." CreationDate="2018-12-18T09:02:54.210" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17981" PostId="4032" Score="1" Text="@DenisNardin thanks, I couldn't see any question highlighting because there happened to be no such questions on the page at the time I complained!" CreationDate="2018-12-18T11:26:36.153" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17982" PostId="4032" Score="1" Text="Great answer. And to remove the rounded corners, one could add: `* { border-radius: 0px  !important; }`." CreationDate="2018-12-18T16:59:15.667" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="17984" PostId="4032" Score="1" Text="@jeq Thanks! I'm not sure if this is precisely what you meant, but I simply added your code snippet to the very end of Denis' file and it worked!" CreationDate="2018-12-18T17:44:30.670" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="17987" PostId="4032" Score="3" Text="@jeq That removes rounded corners everywhere. To remove them only on the boxes in the question list it suffices to add 'border-radius: 0px ! important;' in all the corresponding sections" CreationDate="2018-12-18T18:03:04.407" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="17988" PostId="4033" Score="2" Text="As someone who has to worry about lots of occurrences of $+1$ vs $-1$ in my work, it is definitely true that I am hoping for some kind of answer in signs." CreationDate="2018-12-19T00:28:17.670" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="17989" PostId="4033" Score="27" Text="P.S.  I believe that the cuneiform markup language is properly called CLaYTeX." CreationDate="2018-12-19T00:29:16.333" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="18027" PostId="4033" Score="3" Text="What snow? Didn't you go to Berkeley?" CreationDate="2018-12-24T23:36:39.010" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18028" PostId="4033" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period#Northern_Hemisphere :-P" CreationDate="2018-12-25T01:09:56.460" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18029" PostId="4033" Score="2" Text="Berkeley was for graduate school. There Joel just had to walk up hill to Evans Hall from home, and then walk up hill again to catch the homebound shuttle. Gerhard &quot;Prefers Walking Up A Staircase&quot; Paseman, 2018.12.24." CreationDate="2018-12-25T03:06:14.540" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18030" PostId="4033" Score="1" Text="I lived for a time in the Berkeley Hills, up on Grizzly Peak Road, so I had to walk up hill to get home, and getting to school, well, somehow I found this was also somehow uphill. In addition to the snow, there were often also earthquakes and vast fires." CreationDate="2018-12-25T05:06:42.053" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="18034" PostId="4033" Score="2" Text="@David: Are you calling Joel a troglodyte?" CreationDate="2018-12-25T07:44:30.143" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18045" PostId="4033" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila just that he seems like he's been around here for ages :-)" CreationDate="2018-12-25T23:23:22.760" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18088" PostId="4033" Score="1" Text="Old time MO user Noah Snyder also lived near Grizzly Peak, but he biked down to Evans Hall in the morning, then took his bus on the shuttle up to MSRI and rode downhill back home." CreationDate="2018-12-30T19:19:26.620" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="17979" PostId="4034" Score="0" Text="Of course, this &quot;temporary fix&quot; is probably unnecessary if the suggestion to use [the code submitted by the moderators](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4018/can-anybody-provide-a-clear-list-of-design-changes-that-are-obligatory-with-exp/4028#4028) goes through - I suppose that this is also an option which can be done relatively quickly. But so far we haven't heard any reaction of the moderators to that proposal." CreationDate="2018-12-18T10:22:01.587" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17990" PostId="4034" Score="3" Text="The problem is, the DAG team doesn't care about us anymore. Stack Exchange now is trying to monetize on selling their platform, and all our communities are not a priority anymore. From this [chat transcript](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/12/14), it seems clear to me that (1) SE now thinks that creating all these minor sites and sub-communities was a mistake, as they do not bring money in (2) Catija and Jon Ericsson are first-level &quot;customer support&quot; people, and there is no sign that they have escalated the matter to a technical person to make more changes for us." CreationDate="2018-12-19T10:38:43.430" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="17992" PostId="4034" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni You're completely mis-interpreting what I said there. In fact, you're outright wrong. We're realizing that the non-SO sites are quite important to the network and actually can be a source of income. We've started running curated ads on a variety of sites - some of them even asked to have these ads, from what I understand, and we've partnered with a couple of companies to sponsor new beta sites and help them grow. We're absolutely invested in the network. That's my entire job - to interact with the non-SO sites... and Jon is **part of** the DAG team." CreationDate="2018-12-19T15:15:09.360" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17993" PostId="4034" Score="3" Text="I understand that this is frustrating to you but what I said in chat is correct... you need to be somewhat patient with us. We have 170+ sites that need to be looked after and only a handful of devs/designers. Part of why we did the site unification is *because* we have 100+ beta sites that are *literally* identical other than their site name and having the site design be unified means they can actually get custom site design/elements that they otherwise never would have gotten. I have spent a lot of time here over the last week and I'll continue to be here to help you all." CreationDate="2018-12-19T15:24:07.533" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17995" PostId="4034" Score="4" Text="I'd prefer not to be a source of income. I believe MO opted out of ads (at least: looking at a bunch of question on the site not logged in with ad blocking disabled I don't see any - see also a side comment here https://meta.mathoverflow.net/search?q=no-ads)." CreationDate="2018-12-19T18:17:24.527" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="17996" PostId="4034" Score="5" Text="@DavidRoberts Yes, there is a clause about adds in the agreement [linked in François G. Dorais' answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/969/who-owns-mathoverflow/970#970). &quot;Stack Exchange shall not run advertisements ... without specific and advance written consent of the MathOverflow.&quot;" CreationDate="2018-12-19T18:27:57.480" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="17997" PostId="4034" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts As far as I'm aware, that won't change. And that's not going to impact our engagement with a site. I don't even know which sites have ads and which don't... and I use an adblocker, so I wouldn't see them to know on-site." CreationDate="2018-12-19T23:32:24.687" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="17998" PostId="4034" Score="4" Text="@Catija thanks, and also thanks for dealing with us sometimes curmudgeonly mathematicians." CreationDate="2018-12-20T01:01:47.530" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18007" PostId="4041" Score="3" Text="(If it's possible and it looks good, I'd also be happy with a left-to-right fade that matches all the colors of the logo.)" CreationDate="2018-12-20T23:47:14.753" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="18026" PostId="4042" Score="2" Text="Could he use the word in [sense 3](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bird): &quot;a girl or woman, especially one considered sexually attractive&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-12-24T07:35:28.607" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="18060" PostId="4047" Score="0" Text="I will mention that this is one of the problematic tag-infos mentioned quite a long time ago in another meta posts (created by copying from another source without any attribution): [Recent suggested tag wiki edits](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2849). (Also related to this problem: [Should tag-wiki include a source where it is taken from?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3547)) It has been improved since then a bit - at least to include some links to the sources." CreationDate="2018-12-27T10:46:45.327" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18061" PostId="4047" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I do not know what to reply for you comment. I just wanted to say I read your comment :) Thanks." CreationDate="2018-12-27T12:53:25.820" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18062" PostId="4047" Score="2" Text="The nlab's definition is weird and idiosyncratic (like their definitions often are).  Adding it to this tag would just make things confusing." CreationDate="2018-12-27T19:20:40.007" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="18063" PostId="4047" Score="0" Text="Also, the sentence in the tag info at present (I will edit it into the question above) is just bad writing." CreationDate="2018-12-27T20:04:21.960" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18064" PostId="4047" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts it is taken from Wikipedia article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deformation_theory" CreationDate="2018-12-28T02:27:41.853" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18065" PostId="4047" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman I am not experienced enough to comment about definitions given in nlab.. Can you take some time to write down tag wiki for this.." CreationDate="2018-12-28T06:00:17.940" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18074" PostId="4047" Score="0" Text="No, I don't have the time to edit tag info's -- what little time I have to spend here on MO I prefer to spend engaging in mathematics rather than moderation." CreationDate="2018-12-28T17:39:01.340" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="18075" PostId="4047" Score="0" Text="(I realize that participating in meta violates that policy somewhat; however, spending lots of time on minutia like tag info's would be far more of a time sink)" CreationDate="2018-12-28T17:41:34.973" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="18078" PostId="4047" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman Thanks for those wise words.. I have wasted so much time on this... I did not had any motivation/necessity to learn deformation theory nor any of the statements in wikipedia/n lab I understand.. I think it better to spend time on things that I find interesting (knowing what it is)..  Thanks again.. :)" CreationDate="2018-12-29T03:53:40.003" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18066" PostId="4048" Score="0" Text="So, what you are saying is..  we have a collection of objects $\{X(t)\}$ over some index set $\Lambda$ with $t\in \Lambda$.... There is also some compatibility depending on what $\Lambda$ is... if $\Lambda$ is a topological space then we want $X(t)$ to vary continuously and if $\Lambda$ is smooth we want $X(t)$ to vary smoothly and similarly in other cases.., now suppose $X(0)$ is a connected manifold we see if $X(\epsilon)$ is also connected manifold.. Is it something like that? If I don’t understand  it is just that I did not understand, not that what you said is not reasonable... :) :)" CreationDate="2018-12-28T11:22:13.397" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18070" PostId="4048" Score="0" Text="@PraphullaKoushik That is one reasonable way to interpret it." CreationDate="2018-12-28T14:23:25.723" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="18071" PostId="4048" Score="0" Text="Sir, I do not want to keep on asking questions.. last one :) can you think of some paper/book that says something about deformation theory, gives a rough idea of what it is and something that is not in first two pages of google search for “deformation theory”... I have checked almost all references (Hartshorne’s Deformation theory book, Nitin Nitsure’s notes) but did not understand anything :) :) :) You can atleast say what background do I need to understand deformation theory,, I am familiar with schemsand some cohomology as in Hartshorne Algebriac geometry,," CreationDate="2018-12-28T14:52:22.020" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18072" PostId="4048" Score="3" Text="@PraphullaKoushik I do not know of any general references, and I doubt any exist.  I chose this definition based on how I see mathematicians using the term.  However, I don't think there is a unifying theory that encompasses all examples from all fields.  I note that neither the Wikipedia article nor nLab say anything about, e.g., Popa's work on deformations of von Neumann algebras." CreationDate="2018-12-28T15:16:09.157" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="18067" PostId="4049" Score="1" Text="For what it's worth, that edit seems to have been made by someone in the city of Béziers in France (though could be through a VPN, or via Tor, or...). Others may be able to glean information from that fact." CreationDate="2018-12-28T06:56:19.390" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18068" PostId="4049" Score="3" Text="Properly speaking, though, asking whether or not this is a suitable question to ask on MO means this could go on meta." CreationDate="2018-12-28T07:17:31.073" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18076" PostId="4049" Score="2" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is no longer relevant (the question asked whether some information, now confirmed, is reliable)" CreationDate="2018-12-28T19:00:15.010" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18120" PostId="4049" Score="0" Text="maybe ask https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_John_Birch ?" CreationDate="2019-01-07T09:48:59.360" UserId="70355" />
  <row Id="18077" PostId="4050" Score="0" Text="Thanks for confirming, though it is not pleasant." CreationDate="2018-12-29T03:46:23.000" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18079" PostId="4050" Score="11" Text="Just so there is a definite link: https://www.caths.cam.ac.uk/about-us/news-and-events/professor-sir-peter-swinnerton-dyer-bt-kbe-frs-1927-2018" CreationDate="2018-12-29T04:44:38.723" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="18106" PostId="4050" Score="3" Text="Obituary at https://www.trin.cam.ac.uk/news/sir-peter-swinnerton-dyer-1927-2018/" CreationDate="2019-01-02T22:16:08.577" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18073" PostId="4051" Score="0" Text="I will be grateful also for suggestions about the format. Would it be better to omit the  examples (or perhaps mention a few of them outside the list) and simply leave there number of occurrences together with a link to SEDE query listing them?" CreationDate="2018-12-28T15:30:39.583" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18080" PostId="4051" Score="7" Text="Martin, on behalf of many MO users, I would like to thank you for your outstanding work on this matter and many others. We all appreciate your efforts very much!" CreationDate="2018-12-29T23:27:34.910" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="18081" PostId="4051" Score="0" Text="That adelaide proxy link was due to me, and if you [go look at the result](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/273067/revisions), I had edited out the proxy link in a past revision; the data explorer seems to be picking up old versions of questions and answers." CreationDate="2018-12-30T01:13:09.770" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18082" PostId="4051" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts If you look at the query, it is on purpose that we are looking on occurrences in all past revisions. After all, the query is called: &quot;Posts with given word in some of the revisions&quot;. This should be obvious also from the fact that links listed as examples are to past revisions. (Ideally all such links should be edited by now. Since Federico Poloni suggested some automation, it is good to know how many manual edits would be automated in this way.)" CreationDate="2018-12-30T02:59:39.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18083" PostId="4051" Score="0" Text="If somebody wants to find the occurrences that still exist, it's possible to use [on site search](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3A%22%2Aproxy.library.adelaide.edu.au%2A%22). Of course, you can also [use SEDE](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/920313/posts-containing-a-given-text?num=100&amp;text=proxy.library.adelaide.edu.au) if you prefer." CreationDate="2018-12-30T02:59:57.117" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18084" PostId="4051" Score="0" Text="And it is also possible to look also for all posts where [given string was edited out](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/938603/posts-with-given-word-in-some-of-the-past-revision-but-not-in-the-current-one?word=proxy.library.adelaide.edu.au)." CreationDate="2018-12-30T03:00:23.203" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18086" PostId="4051" Score="1" Text="@Martin ah, I see: to get a scope of the history of the problem, not just the current state." CreationDate="2018-12-30T08:17:02.470" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18087" PostId="4051" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts Yes, that was the intention. Even if the outcome of this will be that the problem is too minor to require some automated solution (at least at current size of MO site), at least the feature request is not left without a response. (As I have already mentioned in the comments under the question, if we want just some kind of warning triggered based on some regex detecting url containing a proxy, that's already possible. However, for this we would need some help from moderators.)" CreationDate="2018-12-30T11:07:33.240" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18095" PostId="4051" Score="1" Text="The UMich proxy has changed so that, instead of something like  link.springer.com.proxy.lib.umich.edu , one gets link-springer-com.proxy.lib.umich.edu .  (I see that this is consistent with the `library.nd.edu` and `galib.uga.edu` proxies.)" CreationDate="2018-12-31T17:07:20.453" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="18100" PostId="4051" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Unless I missed something, so far this proxy was only used on this site in the &quot;old form&quot;. Anyway, I have included the information from your comment into the post." CreationDate="2019-01-02T20:37:41.333" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18094" PostId="4053" Score="0" Text="I have tagged this ([meta-tag:feature-request]) since the post is asking for something that cannot be done by regular users - only by the moderators or the Stack Exchange staff. (However, the question does not ask for implementing a new feature. If this is incorrect usage of this tag, feel free to retag the question.)" CreationDate="2018-12-31T13:18:55.830" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18096" PostId="4054" Score="0" Text="Thanks for doing this. (I certainly did not expect that this will happen so fast - already the fact that it happened at all surpassed my expectation.) I'll wait a bit before accepting the answer - to see whether somebody raises some objections or suggests alternative wording." CreationDate="2019-01-01T10:24:43.953" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18099" PostId="4056" Score="2" Text="I will just add that the stats can be found [in the list of top users](https://math.stackexchange.com/tags/characteristic-classes/topusers) - for (characteristic-classes) they say at the moment: 100% unanswered/7 days, 66.7% unanswered/30 days, 33.9% unanswered/all time. Some statistics related to tags which do not get enough attention: [Best and worst tags for % answered rate](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/23148)." CreationDate="2019-01-02T20:19:04.907" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18107" PostId="4056" Score="1" Text="Thanks for your information" CreationDate="2019-01-03T03:31:25.450" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18143" PostId="4056" Score="0" Text="If you can answer other questions with the tag, do so. And ask good questions about the subject; maybe an expert will get interested. You might also consider asking a similar question at their meta site." CreationDate="2019-01-11T09:59:07.673" UserId="1445" />
  <row Id="18098" PostId="4057" Score="1" Text="Just to clarify, you're asking specifically *about MathOverflow* right? (If not, shouldn't this be raised on Meta Stack Exchange. In fact, I'm pretty sure some related topics [have already been discussed there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/robots).)" CreationDate="2019-01-02T20:11:40.417" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18101" PostId="4057" Score="23" Text="I'm not sure I understand the issue: the &quot;robot&quot; is not some autonomous/anonymous agent, it's a script by a user who remains accountable for suggested edits; if these are valid edits, why reject them solely because they were carried out by a script rather than by direct human intervention?" CreationDate="2019-01-02T20:46:30.203" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="18102" PostId="4057" Score="14" Text="I agree with @CarloBeenakker: the method by which the edits were done is essentially irrelevant compared to the edits themselves. As long as the frequency is low enough to avoid flooding the front page, I don't see any problem." CreationDate="2019-01-02T21:13:40.743" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="18104" PostId="4057" Score="3" Text="@CarloBeenakker: If the edits are deemed useful, they should be taken over by the SE staff and be performed by the user **Community** (possibly on a network-wide scale), as has been done in the past in similar circumstances." CreationDate="2019-01-02T21:37:36.803" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="18113" PostId="4057" Score="4" Text="Probably it goes without saying, but if a post is bumped for some other reason (in this case dead link to an image), it is a good opportunity for MO users to improve also some other aspects of posts which might need improving (e.g., tags, grammar, typos, references, links to papers, etc.) At least, it is definitely better if more stuff is improved at the same time than editing and bumping the same post for some other reason a few months later." CreationDate="2019-01-03T11:04:29.837" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18134" PostId="4057" Score="1" Text="... it reminded me of a story told by a friend, where a manager forbade programmers working on an Y2000 porting project to use vi's macros, insisting that they must edit everything by hand... I think it smells of an Luddite approach, forbidding automated edits like this." CreationDate="2019-01-08T18:56:48.593" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="18135" PostId="4057" Score="2" Text="... and my recent experience with buying tickets on site of Scoot, a Singapore-based airline, which at some point started popping up captures and asking to complete them, telling me that it suspects I am a robot, as I type/click too fast... I'll go home now to check whether I'm still a human being ;-)" CreationDate="2019-01-08T19:01:22.310" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="18103" PostId="4058" Score="3" Text="If instead of doing three at a time once every 36 hours, it did one at a time spaced evenly, I would prefer that.  Also, if there is some minor indication that it is an automated edit (GlorfindelbotA?), I could ignore the post instead of looking for a substantial change in content, especially on questions where I am looking for fresh content.  Gerhard &quot;Willing To Coexist With Bots&quot; Paseman, 2019.01.02" CreationDate="2019-01-02T21:32:23.420" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18105" PostId="4058" Score="15" Text="I think a bump every 12 hours is harmless and is doing a desirable service. I agree it would be better if SE did this (and did not bump in the process) but I do not see them champing at the bit to do so." CreationDate="2019-01-02T21:54:32.813" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="18108" PostId="4058" Score="6" Text="@Glorfindel, given that SE is a community-centered project, why not make the code of your robot publicly available (for instance, in a GitHub repository), under some free software license?" CreationDate="2019-01-03T08:58:14.730" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="18109" PostId="4058" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel: The fact that 5% of your edit attempts got rejected reinforces my thesis that this kind of massive, large-scale edit project should by performed by some other, more privileged channel, and not by regular edits (which require the users' approval)." CreationDate="2019-01-03T09:03:38.480" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="18110" PostId="4058" Score="13" Text="95% was an estimate, it's actually 97.5%. Half of the rejections were because of &quot;clearly conflicts with the author's intent&quot;, which says more about the reviewers not paying attention than the edits themselves." CreationDate="2019-01-03T09:40:40.487" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="18111" PostId="4058" Score="4" Text="I'll think of publishing the source code. There are some problems with this: 1) when multiple users are running the program simultaneously, you'll lose control over the rate-limit (not to mention the errors which occur when you're trying to suggest an edit to a post which already has a pending edit)." CreationDate="2019-01-03T09:44:25.413" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="18112" PostId="4058" Score="2" Text="2) you'll need a [registered application on StackApps](https://stackapps.com/q/7/34061) to run it; 3) you'll need that app to generate an [access token](http://api.stackexchange.com/docs/authentication) to identify your account. So it's a quite convoluted process." CreationDate="2019-01-03T09:46:24.797" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="18114" PostId="4058" Score="7" Text="With the edit, it becomes clear that at the current rate this will be done in about a month. So is there really any harm?" CreationDate="2019-01-03T16:23:57.967" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="18115" PostId="4058" Score="3" Text="There is something that puzzles me in this connection: I have many old answers that contain an inline image referred to with http rather than https; they seem to display just fine; for example: https://mathoverflow.net/a/143866/11260 --- any idea why they do not suffer from the http ban?" CreationDate="2019-01-03T22:07:08.793" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="18116" PostId="4058" Score="2" Text="I don't know; it might be because you used capitalized HTML tags; it might be because it's old and 'untouched' for a long period. [Here](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/100171/revisions) is a post with similar markup, a link which is still alive and yet an image which is not working. I've added some extra precautions to the bot to make sure it won't try to fix images like this. Pending the outcome of this discussion, I've also disabled it temporarily for MathOverflow, but I'm humbled by the support I'm getting. Thanks!" CreationDate="2019-01-04T08:23:03.700" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="18117" PostId="4058" Score="1" Text="thanks for the explanation; I will slowly and manually (no robots here :) make the http --&gt; https replacement on my old posts containing inline images; hoping to avoid annoying anyone with bumps of old posts." CreationDate="2019-01-04T13:19:23.037" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="18180" PostId="4058" Score="0" Text="It's two weeks later and many people have seen this thread (partly due to being a Hot Meta Question). Given the reactions and upvotes, I'm going to re-enable the bot for MathOverflow tomorrow." CreationDate="2019-01-19T13:10:57.640" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="28033" PostId="4058" Score="0" Text="I wish it was only three bumps per 36 hours. I personally find the editing and bumping from yourself, which I have no doubt is motivated with good intentions, to be extremely annoying.  I am sorry but that is how I feel." CreationDate="2022-12-02T17:32:40.300" UserId="35482" />
  <row Id="18140" PostId="4059" Score="6" Text="The post with moderation statistics is now posted here: [2018: a year in moderation](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4062)." CreationDate="2019-01-10T16:45:23.857" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21434" PostId="4059" Score="0" Text="For the 2018 version, I was not automatically welcoming (see my comment there); that may  contribute to a delayed response.  It might be useful to have suggestions for types of mod stats in this thread, and see what can be provided.  Of interest to me are things that aren't in SQL, such as time spent dealing with misbehaving sock puppets, and other aspects of which no details should be mentioned, but aggregates might help the community at large.  Gerhard &quot;Has Only Well-Behaved Sock Puppets&quot; Paseman, 2020.01.07." CreationDate="2020-01-07T17:32:34.003" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18141" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="I disagree with your interpretation. If you link to an email asking for a post, that would match the link text.  If you change the link text to say &quot;the issue has been raised&quot; from &quot;asked to do so here as well&quot;, that would also be better. Please understand my objection: your post otherwise doesn't bother me, and I like the stats (although Moderators group could be more clearly defined). The objection is that because an issue has been raised with no discussion, that such raising is an automatic signal that the post has been requested.  Gerhard &quot;Happy New Year Back Atcha&quot; Paseman, 2019.01.10." CreationDate="2019-01-10T16:52:39.067" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18142" PostId="4062" Score="1" Text="Adjusted, @Gerhard" CreationDate="2019-01-10T17:01:55.043" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="18145" PostId="4062" Score="5" Text="MathOverflow is among the sites with [highest percentage of questions closed by regular users](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/321318/2018-a-year-in-closing/321324#321324) (as opposed to questions closed by moderators). I'd guess this can be considered a good thing." CreationDate="2019-01-12T16:16:09.933" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18151" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: Curiosity made me check the profile of user **Community**, and to my surprise I've seen that it has earned the &quot;Critic&quot; badge for its first downvote. I don't get it: **Community** is just a background process, why would it be allowed to upvote and downvote?" CreationDate="2019-01-13T15:23:48.307" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="18152" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="@AlexM. I suppose this comes with automatic downvotes that come with spam/rude flags. This is explicitly mentioned in the FAQ post: [Who is the Community user?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/19738) (&quot;The reason why it has so many downvotes is because it owns all of the downvotes that are being cast automatically when a post is flagged as spam or rude/abusive.&quot;)" CreationDate="2019-01-13T15:56:43.790" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18153" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="The number of closed questions includes the one that were later deleted (either by [roomba](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba) or manually)?" CreationDate="2019-01-13T15:57:39.803" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18154" PostId="4062" Score="2" Text="Why did you conflate in the same column actions performed by non-mod users and actions performed automatically by a bot? They seem two completely different things to me." CreationDate="2019-01-13T17:02:46.873" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18155" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="Convenience, @FedericoPoloni - separating them is extremely tedious, and difficult to do accurately. The Community user takes automated actions (as noted by Martin above), but also &quot;owns&quot; all actions taken by anonymous or deleted users. Furthermore, even the automatic actions are often triggered by user-actions, either directly or indirectly: for example, 6 spam flags cause the system to delete and lock a post; a majority of off-topic votes pointing to another site *can* trigger a migration and also a lock on the migrated posts; even automatic deletions depend on user-controlled heuristics." CreationDate="2019-01-13T18:39:08.297" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="21417" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 I will point out a recent post by Federico Poloni: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4059/a-year-in-moderation-post-on-mathoverflow/4415#4415 Are there plans to make such a post on MO this year, too? Or do you want to wait and see what MO users (and moderators) think about such post before doing that?" CreationDate="2020-01-01T18:03:49.817" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21418" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="Y'all can make the call on that, @martin" CreationDate="2020-01-01T18:12:42.287" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="21426" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 What is the motivation why we need to gather consensus for this post on MO while all other sites on the network get it automatically?" CreationDate="2020-01-04T21:26:46.390" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21427" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="Don't need &quot;consensus&quot;, just wanted to make sure this stuff is desired; this site's governance/charter is slightly different from the rest. I'm a guest in your house, etc." CreationDate="2020-01-04T21:34:21.410" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="21429" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 So what kind of signal are you waiting for, in practice? Should I open a new question on Meta and ask for upvotes? Should I advertise my current 'request' (which is in an answer to a 2018 post) so that it gets voted? How?  Or should the moderators approve it explicitly and get in touch with you to confirm they want this summary?" CreationDate="2020-01-05T09:01:07.593" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21432" PostId="4062" Score="3" Text="Thank you for this post last year.  The information is interesting.  I've talked to the other MathOverflow moderators, and they have no objections to a yearly summary.  Also, no one seems to have voiced any objections to the existence of this post in the last year.  If it is not too much trouble, please make such a summary for this site every year." CreationDate="2020-01-07T06:29:45.637" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="21436" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="Ok, @S.Carnahan - here you go: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4422/2019-a-year-in-moderation" CreationDate="2020-01-07T21:28:27.407" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="18144" PostId="4063" Score="2" Text="Thanks for posting.  That's sad to hear." CreationDate="2019-01-12T05:03:45.723" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="18146" PostId="4065" Score="5" Text="I suggest mentioning that the scope of MathOverflow is more narrow, attempting to be question and answer rather than discussion and exploration. Further, the questions should be relatively brief in scope, referring to a step in a proof rather than a whole page of a proof.  Gerhard &quot;Shorter Relevant Posts Are Preferred&quot; Paseman, 2019.01.12." CreationDate="2019-01-12T16:37:45.677" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18147" PostId="4066" Score="1" Text="It is not exactly the same, but this feature request on Meta Stack Exchange is similar in the sense that it would get questions with bounties more often to the front page of the list of active questions: [Bounty questions should get bumped periodically](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/48675). (Together with some duplicates: [Have the Community user aggressivily bump questions with bounties](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/41077) and [Should we have the Community User bump Featured Questions to attract more views?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/66489))" CreationDate="2019-01-13T09:21:21.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18148" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="It might be also worth mentioning that post with bounties are among possibilities to filter questions in the [custom questions lists](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312781/custom-question-lists-finding-questions-you-can-answer). This new feature is [currently being tested](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313940/custom-question-lists-is-available-for-testing) on a few selected sites, I suppose it might take some time before it is rolled out on other sites, too." CreationDate="2019-01-13T09:44:03.457" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18149" PostId="4066" Score="1" Text="If one wants to make bounties more useful, then I think one should rather make them last until the question is answered in a satisfactory way, than trying to enforce bountied questions getting more attention. I think it is perfectly sufficient that bountied questions are visibly marked as such and can be searched for in some way -- the &quot;featured&quot; tab and any additional bumpings are completely unnecessary in my opinion." CreationDate="2019-01-13T09:55:44.600" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="18150" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="Somewhat related to @StefanKohl's comment: [Should we have standing bounties?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3802) and maybe also: [What would be good place to list unresolved bounties?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3539) (Of course, questions with bounties can be searched also *after* the end of bounty using [SEDE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info), but it's a bit more difficult and maybe less users are familiar with this.)" CreationDate="2019-01-13T10:56:35.167" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18156" PostId="4066" Score="2" Text="I am skeptical of the value of bounties.  I mostly see them being used on rather poor questions." CreationDate="2019-01-13T20:46:33.443" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="18157" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman When I look at [users with highest amount of offered bounties](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/962775/user-with-highest-amount-of-offered?num=100&amp;min=50), several names I see there are users I would trust with choosing good questions. (The last column there is link to list of bounties of a specific user - in case somebody is curious.)" CreationDate="2019-01-14T04:24:05.353" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18158" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Interesting, though such a list is biased towards people who actually have a lot of reputation to use for such bounties.  I don't pay actively pay attention to bounties, but the ones I do notice are typically pretty marginal users trying to get someone to pay attention to them.  They don't have enough reputation to do it more than once or twice.  However, I don't have any actual data here, this is purely my impression." CreationDate="2019-01-14T04:42:36.373" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="18159" PostId="4066" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman I suppose we're both saying relatively natural things: A single user is likely to have more bounties if they have enough rep. However, most of the bounties will be offered by users with small rep - simply because there is many such users. (I suppose I fall under *marginal users* - and I would consider this legitimate use of a bounty.) To get at least some data, here is [sample of bounties from the end of 2018](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/962782/bounties-with-users-between-two-dates?Date1=2018-09-01&amp;Date2=2019-01-01) and ..." CreationDate="2019-01-14T05:24:31.850" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18160" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="... [Distribution of bounties depending on reputation](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/962785/bounties-by-reputation-groups?rep=1000). They both look pretty much as expected.&#xA;I am not sure there is much more to be said, but perhaps we should [continue elsewhere](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/70737/2019/1/14) if we want to discuss statistics related to bounties further." CreationDate="2019-01-14T05:24:52.363" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18167" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="This is probably well-known among user who work with bounties, but I will explicitly mention that offering a bounty also [bumps](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/bumping/info) a post (in addition to putting it onto the featured tab)." CreationDate="2019-01-15T08:32:53.040" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18161" PostId="4068" Score="12" Text="Not every trivial fact is stated explicitly in a textbook, but that doesn’t make it “research level”.  If a question could be assigned as hw to an undergraduate who just learned the relevant definitions, then it is unlikely to be well received here (even if phrased as a reference request)." CreationDate="2019-01-14T14:32:34.960" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="18162" PostId="4068" Score="3" Text="@AndyPutman I personally would not have voted to close the question SK19 refers to, as it is asking about references for explicit formalization of things that are normally handwaved, and the experience of suitably credentialled mathematicians seems to suggest that formalizing &quot;easy maths&quot; is not a trivial task" CreationDate="2019-01-14T17:28:46.527" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="18163" PostId="4068" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi: In this case (since he's only talking about finite graphs), it's really completely trivial.  If you know what a graph is and what mathematical induction is, then you can do it." CreationDate="2019-01-14T17:48:53.843" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="18164" PostId="4068" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman Is that assuming I know how to write in MIZAR or not? :)" CreationDate="2019-01-14T17:52:25.393" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="18165" PostId="4068" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi: I have no serious experience with MIZAR or other computer systems for formalizing mathematics.  However, this is a situation where you are dealing with systems with very few axioms, and a proof that is basically completely formal.  I feel confident that I (or you!) could write out a completely formal proof of this result in any reasonable setting.  Also, the OP was asking for textbooks or papers that proved this; the MIZAR stuff seemed just to be a statement of his motivation." CreationDate="2019-01-14T19:20:40.807" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="18166" PostId="4068" Score="3" Text="@AndyPutman I guess that's what Russell and Whitehead thought too ;-)" CreationDate="2019-01-14T23:52:26.697" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18169" PostId="4069" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure if you're referring to my comment or not, it was meant as a aid to good style. I think the question and the answer are both fine, modulo giving an unstable url as the only journal reference." CreationDate="2019-01-15T23:26:47.430" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18170" PostId="4069" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts No, I removed the comment I was referring to." CreationDate="2019-01-16T01:17:17.493" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18171" PostId="4069" Score="0" Text="ok, thanks....." CreationDate="2019-01-16T01:24:17.700" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18168" PostId="4071" Score="2" Text="Re: *have any mergers occurred before? Is there a way to detect them?* It seems that merging is rather rare on this site [according to this query](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/966538/merged-questions-between-given-dates?Date1=2009-01-01&amp;Date2=2019-01-01). (But I do not guarantee that I caught all occurrences.)" CreationDate="2019-01-15T21:15:00.560" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18172" PostId="4071" Score="2" Text="Here is an older post on meta discussing merging of specific question: [Merging old duplicates?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3083) So it seems that in that case the OP considered discussion about the pair of questions on meta to be a reasonable first step. On Mathematics Meta it was suggested to simply flag for moderators' attention: [When, and how, to suggest merging of questions?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9758) Of course, it would be better to hear from MathOverflow moderators whether they consider this the right approach." CreationDate="2019-01-16T06:37:47.787" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18173" PostId="4072" Score="1" Text="Maybe have a look at Mathematics Meta: [How to draw a commutative diagram?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2324) and [Challenge: can you draw the following triangular diagram?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/27590) Capabilities of MathJax in this direction are indeed limited, but if you want to use AMScd you need `\require{AMScd}`. See the post below." CreationDate="2019-01-16T11:50:35.003" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18174" PostId="4072" Score="0" Text="You can find something related to commutative diagrams also in this previous post on this meta: [Is it possible to use tikzcd code in MO posts?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3792) Perhaps the chat conversation linked there might be useful too: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/7/2" CreationDate="2019-01-16T11:52:15.640" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18175" PostId="4073" Score="1" Text="Thank you very much for  your  answer. I  applied  your  help. But  can  you say  me  how can  I replace  the  inclined arrows by a  Doted one?" CreationDate="2019-01-16T12:21:03.113" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="18176" PostId="4073" Score="2" Text="@AliTaghavi I do not know about a way to make the diagonal arrow dotted *using AMScd*. I have asked Davide Cervone (one of MathJax developers) [in the comments to his answer](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/27590/challenge-can-you-draw-the-following-triangular-diagram/27594#comment126438_27594), he does not mention a way to do this either." CreationDate="2019-01-17T01:54:54.407" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27642" PostId="4074" Score="2" Text="All the presheaf website links have gone stale." CreationDate="2022-09-05T18:42:50.513" UserId="6716" />
  <row Id="18177" PostId="4075" Score="4" Text="I am not sure whether the claim that one of the merged question &quot;disappears&quot; is correct. Some examples of merged questions (on MO): [Human Knot game](https://mathoverflow.net/q/206214), [Surface area of convex hull](https://mathoverflow.net/q/166315), [On Mathematicians Who Did Their Masterworks After ‎40 Years Old](https://mathoverflow.net/q/146026). (I found them using the query in the comments. The same query can be used also on Mathematics - if you want to find more examples.)" CreationDate="2019-01-17T09:24:29.203" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18179" PostId="4079" Score="8" Text="A feature request on Meta Stack Exchange: [Ability to retract reopen/delete votes](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/193061). (Since it is not tagged ([status-complete](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/status-complete)), I suppose there is now not a way to cancel a vote to delete. I get the same from the post on Mathematics Meta: [Is it possible to withdraw a deletion vote?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/20822))" CreationDate="2019-01-19T06:06:10.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18193" PostId="4079" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I'll accept this if you make it an answer." CreationDate="2019-01-20T23:06:44.563" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18194" PostId="4081" Score="0" Text="I have expanded my comments slightly and posted as an answer - per [request by the OP](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4079/cancel-delete-vote/4081#comment18179_4079)." CreationDate="2019-01-20T23:18:20.087" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18198" PostId="4081" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the correction @HughThomas (I should have noticed the typo - especially since in changed the meaning.)" CreationDate="2019-01-22T05:00:10.480" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18602" PostId="4081" Score="0" Text="In my experience, people have used delete votes to harass and unjustly censor certain areas of mathematics." CreationDate="2019-03-21T13:59:57.263" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18195" PostId="4082" Score="5" Text="Mere Opinions change by time and things that change by time are not suitable for Mathematics... This is my opinion :D" CreationDate="2019-01-21T14:09:10.777" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18196" PostId="4082" Score="0" Text="Do you have in mind some specific incident?" CreationDate="2019-01-21T14:39:01.340" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="18197" PostId="4082" Score="2" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I would guess that the reason for posting this might have been this question: [How often is a mathematical idea you come up with fruitful and how has this changed during your career?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/321376) - it was put on hold as primarily opinion-based." CreationDate="2019-01-21T14:43:58.650" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18201" PostId="4086" Score="5" Text="If such a comment appeared on one of my questions (as opposed to asking for some clarification) I would be a little irritated and would not respond. It is not the OP's perogative to make sure you enjoy reading about their subject." CreationDate="2019-01-22T22:01:30.723" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="18202" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="@MikeMiller Thanks for sharing your opinion. I never said If some one ask a question, they should explain me about their question.. You are simply  looking at super extreme case :) :)  I take your feedback &quot;If such a comment appeared on one of my questions (as opposed to asking for some clarification) I would be a little irritated and would not respond. &quot; Thank you" CreationDate="2019-01-22T22:05:36.207" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18218" PostId="4086" Score="3" Text="My -1 vote means:  a question about Gauge Theory is not a place to ask &quot;What is gauge theory?&quot;  And similarly for other major topics in place of &quot;Gauge Theory&quot;." CreationDate="2019-01-24T14:15:12.870" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="18219" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar What I mean is every one might have some 1 line/2 line impression of what their question/topic is about... I belive this is more useful (for first timers) than reading a book or wikipedia article... I am not planning to ask details..." CreationDate="2019-01-24T14:31:56.237" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18220" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar I have no opinion in general, but the linked post is not just a question in the field of gauge theory, but is about the very scope of this field." CreationDate="2019-01-24T18:39:07.770" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21544" PostId="4087" Score="0" Text="Obviously nobody prevents to use it for $\mathbf{Z}$. It depends on the point of view. There is a great deal of questions, specific techniques, specific motivations which justify the existence of the tag 'ac.commutative-algebra', and even in this framework the case of the ring $\mathbf{Z}$ is very specific (there's even a specific tag 'abelian-groups', i.e., $\mathbf{Z}$-modules). There is little sense in tagging a question specific to $\mathbf{Z}$ &quot;noncommutative&quot; but of course $\mathbf{Z}$ (or $\mathbf{Z}$-modules) might answer a general question about arbitrary rings (or modules)." CreationDate="2020-02-05T18:02:57.420" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18210" PostId="4088" Score="1" Text="*&quot;editing and improving tag-infos should certainly be encouraged. However, it seems that not many users of this site find the time to do this&quot;*. I don't think it's a matter of time. Indeed, the site's feature for this are very poor, at least to my understanding. Edits would typically require discussion, and a discussion is not really possible, except specifically posting on meta for this, which is not practical, and discouraging for minor issues." CreationDate="2019-01-24T04:26:44.213" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18211" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="@YCor I disagree (to some extent). I think that issue which require discussion is if there is unclear (or not enough consensus) on *how the tag should be used* - in which case I consider the fact that usage of the tag is unclear or inconsistent a bigger problem than a missing tag-wiki. The fact that these days there is not much discussion around tags is confirmed for example in the message by François G. Dorais which [I quoted in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2019/1/24). (Where we can discuss this further if this is too much of a digression.)" CreationDate="2019-01-24T06:11:13.227" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18212" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="However, some edits to tag-wikis do not take so much time (at least for a user familiar with the area and in cases where the usage of the tag is clear).&#xA;For example, adding a link to great resource you know does not take much time (in some cases even a post on MathOverflow might be suitable - especially if there is a post collecting good materials for given area)." CreationDate="2019-01-24T06:11:38.870" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18213" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="Another example of an edit which does not take much time is adding some basic links (such as Wikipedia or nLab) - both to have some resources and also to help with the tag-infos which were simply copied here without proper attribution. Such problem was previously mentioned here on meta in these posts: [Recent suggested tag wiki edits](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2849) and [Should tag-wiki include a source where it is taken from?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3547)" CreationDate="2019-01-24T06:11:45.833" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18214" PostId="4088" Score="1" Text="I agree that edits without discussion are easy to do, under, however, the restriction of having the right to edit a given tag, which requires to have a certain number points gained on question with this tag (I was once blocked for such a reason). Another illustration of the awkward situation about tagging is the artificial embedding of &quot;Help cleanup tags&quot; as a multi-answer question, in which the settled cases are deleted." CreationDate="2019-01-24T13:16:58.503" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18215" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="@YCor You don't need to have any score to be able to edit the tag-wiki, the only restriction is that [under 20k](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/trusted-user) any edit to a tag-wiki needs to go through the review. You probably mean [tag synonyms](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/70710) - that is where you need score +5 to be able to suggest a synonym." CreationDate="2019-01-24T13:25:13.390" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18216" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="Regarding the &quot;[Help cleanup tags!](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/862)&quot; - this was the decision made by the creator of the thread - which was François G. Dorais. Personally, option to have single thread seems reasonable to me, some issues are too minor to guarantee a separate question - but I might be wrong. I have mentioned a few times that I dislike the fact that the mods delete closed discussions in those thread - again other users might have different opinion than I do." CreationDate="2019-01-24T13:25:17.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18217" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="I'm fine with this &quot;Help cleanup tags&quot; thread, it's just the less bad option according to what is currently technically possible. Clearly it's not a natural one." CreationDate="2019-01-24T13:28:25.840" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18205" PostId="4089" Score="0" Text="This previous post is somewhat different: [Being notified of the comments under the answer of someone else to your post](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2150). But in the comments you can see some related links to discussions on Mathematics Meta and also a userscript on Stack Apps." CreationDate="2019-01-23T12:13:36.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18206" PostId="4089" Score="2" Text="I will add that there are several similar feature requests on Meta Stack Exchange. You can probably find more. The posts are rather old and the topic seems to reappear quite often. Here are a few: &#xA;[Mark questions to receive notifications and updates?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/1803),&#xA;[Subscribe to others' questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/34481),&#xA;[Subscribing to questions and comments that don't belong to you](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/45360),&#xA;[Adding Favorites to the Stack Exchange global inbox](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/83343)." CreationDate="2019-01-23T12:28:46.303" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18207" PostId="4089" Score="3" Text="Thanks for the links. It seems the most convenient solution is to mark a question as a favorite. This does not provide exactly the same notifications as you get from your own questions but essentially all the information is there. I will try that." CreationDate="2019-01-23T12:31:13.663" UserId="58103" />
  <row Id="18208" PostId="4089" Score="3" Text="The other possibility is the &quot;question feed&quot; at the bottom right of the question page." CreationDate="2019-01-23T14:10:46.763" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="18224" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="I suppose there is a &quot;tag feed&quot; as well, associated to each tag." CreationDate="2019-01-25T13:22:49.787" UserId="108637" />
  <row Id="18227" PostId="4090" Score="1" Text="@MateuszKwaśnicki This post is relatively old, but it might be interesting in this context, since it lists many various feeds: [What other hidden or inobvious RSS feeds are available on Stack Exchange and its sites?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/151519)" CreationDate="2019-01-25T20:44:32.983" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18228" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="@jeq Often (always?) when you search for some tags, you can see also a feed there. For example, if I search for questions in tags [(lo.logic) or (reverse-math)](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/lo.logic+or+reverse-math), I can see feed called &quot;recently active lo.logic or reverse-math questions feed&quot; on the right. (The &quot;recently active&quot; part is dependent on the sorting I have used.) Several feeds for featured questions in a specific tag are posted [in the Listing bounties chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/70737/listing-bounties?tab=feeds)." CreationDate="2019-01-25T20:51:48.547" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18230" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar You probably have more experience with feeds than I do - when you use this &quot;question feed&quot;, it shows when a new answer is posted - but not comments on the question or on answer, right?" CreationDate="2019-01-25T21:52:14.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18232" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="If, instead of clicking on &quot;question feed&quot;, you &quot;download linked file&quot;, you get an XML file showing the recent activity for the question.  Full text: questions, answers, comments.  Presumably you need to set up RSS to work on your computer." CreationDate="2019-01-26T13:08:53.207" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="18241" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar I am not sure whether your comment is intended to say that your RSS gets also new comments (not just answers). If yes, could you perhaps add a screenshot showing this? I do not think that what you wrote in the previous comment is really correct. For example, you can see that your comment is not shown anywhere in the feed [for this question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/4090). Here is [a screenshot](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/48725324#48725324) showing what I got from the feed for this question." CreationDate="2019-01-27T14:57:00.977" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18252" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="I know very little about RSS, so you may be right." CreationDate="2019-01-27T23:01:30.950" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="18221" PostId="4092" Score="0" Text="+1 for &quot;Avoid saying you don't like or don't enjoy... but you can say you find some given description unclear, confusing, incomplete, etc.&quot; and &quot;If possible, say what is your current understanding.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-01-24T18:58:48.267" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18222" PostId="4092" Score="2" Text="Gauge theory does indeed exist as a mathematical subfield in its own right: I count myself among the number of practitioners. It has come to be useful in low-dimensional topology and the topology of manifolds with special holonony in its own right, separate from its origins. I do not know how I would define &quot;gauge theory&quot; or I would have edited the tag. The tag wiki itself is confusing and ambiguous (I do not know what a field theory is in any precise sense, eg)." CreationDate="2019-01-24T21:09:30.787" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="18223" PostId="4093" Score="0" Text="Ok. Agreed :) :)" CreationDate="2019-01-25T12:19:14.320" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18233" PostId="4098" Score="1" Text="I disagree with this answer: it is not &quot;research which is allowed on MO, or which is not.&quot; but rather how what the questioner thinks of as &quot;research level&quot; (which, if they are not a research mathematician, is likely not suitable) vs what the research mathematics community thinks of as research level. It doesn't help that there are two definitions of the word research (&quot;look stuff up on the internet&quot;, &quot;create groundbreaking new mathematics&quot;) and most people in the world are ignorant of the existence of the second. Even if they know of it, they can't tell it apart from random mathematics." CreationDate="2019-01-27T00:25:04.477" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18235" PostId="4098" Score="0" Text="At the point where university-level researchers who read up the relevant literature, discussed things with lecturers at their university, and after that bothered to ask for help on the more global MO site, it can be ruled out that the issue stems from ignorance of the person who asks the question. I cannot comment on the cases where the person is really ignorant and did not ask a question which can be objectively regarded as a &quot;research level&quot; question. But I could already verify that it can easily happen to get a question deleted within hours (not within days, as the help center says), if..." CreationDate="2019-01-27T10:43:49.397" UserId="135006" />
  <row Id="18236" PostId="4098" Score="0" Text="...the research just does not match what other researchers on the site like to see." CreationDate="2019-01-27T10:44:06.583" UserId="135006" />
  <row Id="18237" PostId="4098" Score="0" Text="And I might add that this answer also proves my point. There are already three downvotes, and only one person who bothered why there would be disagreement." CreationDate="2019-01-27T10:45:30.323" UserId="135006" />
  <row Id="18254" PostId="4098" Score="2" Text="I think the deletion was unwarranted, btw. Also, note that perception is important. The way it was phrased looked (to those voting to close) a bit like generic just-past-undergrad musings on logic, rather than a well-motivated inquiring into a paraconistent, modal or other non-classical logical system." CreationDate="2019-01-28T06:59:20.803" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18255" PostId="4100" Score="2" Text="MathOverflow is a large social training exercise, where one of the prioritized outcomes is producing well written questions, and another is producing well written answers.  This does not exclude banter or philosophizing or discussion, but right now the training protocol seems to discourage or minimize it.  You can use MathOverflow to aid in starting relationships by email, but I would caution against depending on the forum for a large part of your social interaction.  Gerhard &quot;Not Much Dancing On MathOverflow&quot; Paseman, 2019.01.28." CreationDate="2019-01-28T16:59:33.820" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18256" PostId="4100" Score="13" Text="If you stop thinking about downvotes as &quot;personal&quot;, it is better. Just like those universities who rejected my applications for a position are not saying that I am not good, just that they don't want me. Just like those journals who rejected my papers don't say that I am not good, just that the paper in its current form is unsuitable for publication. Downvoting is not about *you*, it's about the question. Also, and I cannot stress this enough, **this is not Facebook**. This is **not** a social network. MathOverflow is a Q&amp;A website for mathematicians, on topics of research." CreationDate="2019-01-29T08:25:53.517" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18257" PostId="4100" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Yes, you can emphasize that **MO is not facebook** and that it is not **social network**. Still it is a place for people. You cannot deny that mathematicians are people, right ? And people have feelings. Forgive me, I will refrain from writing the definition of **feeling** here. That's why I compare MO to facebook because both are portals for people who exchange something on the network. You cannot avoid such comparison however you will try. I know that facebook is tasteless and I do not use it. Unfortunately I was forced to use workplace in my work which is mirror of facebook." CreationDate="2019-01-29T09:55:04.610" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18258" PostId="4100" Score="3" Text="That's like talking about intelligent life, and then comparing humans to rocks because they are both made of protons and electrons (and neutrons). I can avoid the comparison of MO to Facebook, because Facebook is irrelevant to this site. And you're forcing the comparison where it doesn't fit by focusing on a single aspect of similarity." CreationDate="2019-01-29T10:00:48.960" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18259" PostId="4100" Score="0" Text="I explained why I see similarities. The purpose of my comparison is to show that people have emotions. Down-voting has bad effect on human being and it should be removed in my humble opinion. I do not see purpose of further discussing. You can keep your opinion and I can keep mine. I wonder what others think ?" CreationDate="2019-01-29T10:12:08.823" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18260" PostId="4100" Score="8" Text="&quot;Move questions to math.stackexchange instead of deleting them.&quot; But you're the guy who refuses to post to math.stackexchange because hard questions don't get answered there! Anyway, I think downvoting is fine (when done appropriately), but I'll say no more about it, since you see no purpose in discussing it further." CreationDate="2019-01-29T11:07:39.137" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18262" PostId="4100" Score="7" Text="Marek, I didn't mean to suggest I would support anything you might write, and I wish I were not put in that spot. I meant to suggest that I think it would be fine to ask at meta if your question in that answer-post were suitable for MO (and I see it's been posted as a question and right now has a net score of 3, so we have a partial answer to that question, although I would have left off the paragraph with &quot;Do you agree?&quot;). I agree with others that it would be better not to regard MO as a platform for forming interpersonal relationships -- it's too limited for that." CreationDate="2019-01-29T13:01:07.390" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18263" PostId="4100" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble I am terribly sorry, that I have &quot;put you in that spot&quot;. Anyway everything said is available online so everybody can read and have own opinion. Even if you regret it now, you have encouraged me to ask question on meta and finally today I decided to post question on MO. I may regret it as well (regardless of the points) but it is too late now. Regards, Marek &quot;No one understands me&quot; Mitros" CreationDate="2019-01-29T13:20:54.463" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18264" PostId="4100" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson It is amazing that I am getting here several comments. None of them treat seriously two requests I have placed in my meta-question." CreationDate="2019-01-29T13:50:41.727" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18265" PostId="4100" Score="8" Text="Let me remark, as a moderator on math.SE, that MSE is ***not*** the dumping grounds of MO. The core principle of migrating questions is *do not migrate crap*. Maybe you're thinking about questions which are just not &quot;as sophisticated&quot;, but the fact remains that a lot of the questions I personally vote to close/delete on *this* site are crap, in their current formulation, and treating MSE as a dumpster for &quot;stuff which would otherwise get deleted&quot; is simply not how the SE network is meant to work." CreationDate="2019-01-29T14:55:07.357" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18268" PostId="4100" Score="1" Text="Well, then we can create new forum math.crap.stackexchange for low quality mathematical questions :) However I never experienced that someone deleted my question on math.stackexchange. I have asked 17 questions there." CreationDate="2019-01-29T15:09:53.647" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18270" PostId="4100" Score="7" Text="Regarding the requests, the removal of the downvoting utility is a non-starter -- I'm pretty sure that such a request would never be implemented unless StackExchange, Inc. were to change very radically. Your last comment made me laugh, but Asaf was making a valid point: that questions which fare badly at MO should not be automatically shunted off to MSE. But in case it needs saying, this doesn't have any bearing on *your* question (which I thought was okay)." CreationDate="2019-01-29T15:23:02.037" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18281" PostId="4100" Score="3" Text="On Meta Stack Exchange, there are some previous discussions suggesting to remove downvoting entirely. This seems relatively prominent: [Would any other people want to remove downvoting](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/196928). It has score $-54$ and is marked ([meta-tag:status-declined]). (Maybe also some of the [questions linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/196928) might be of interest.)" CreationDate="2019-01-31T06:29:33.683" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18377" PostId="4100" Score="0" Text="I've only posted on MathStackExchange, but the up/down votes concept is the same there. As for feeling slighted if you get a down vote, let's say you are talking with somebody &amp; they disagree with you. Do you feel they're personally putting you down, rather than just simply have a different opinion? How about if they state a possible mistake in what you said? If you agree, I assume you're fine with it. However, if you don't, do you feel they're attacking you? My point is down votes are for what you wrote, not you. Nobody likes down votes, but you shouldn't take them personally." CreationDate="2019-02-12T23:42:28.410" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="18380" PostId="4100" Score="0" Text="@JohnOmielan Down-voting and up-voting questions creates competition. You are counting your scores, etc. Is competition good ? In case of studying mathematics it would be better to create portal for *cooperation* instead of *competition*. I am reading now Covey's book &quot;7 habits...&quot;. He explains that for successful results man should understand the other people first and discuss together to achieve win-win situation. If I down-vote your question who is the winner ? If you know portal where mathematicians can share their thoughts on some topics without being down-voting, please let me know. Regs" CreationDate="2019-02-13T08:07:14.087" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18388" PostId="4100" Score="1" Text="I initially looked at &amp; tried to get more up votes, &amp; avoid down votes, but I realized later that it didn't really mean anything that important. To me, at least, the so-called &quot;reputation&quot;, although there's definitely an important element of it, is more like popularity overall instead. I don't try to compete with anybody. I agree *cooperation* is what we want, but there should also be a way to signal both approval &amp; disapproval, with there perhaps being a better way than down votes. As for other sites for mathematicians, I only know of several sites for mostly lower-level math discussions." CreationDate="2019-02-13T17:47:09.010" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="18266" PostId="4101" Score="1" Text="And again, one should stress, that the purpose of votes is not to &quot;like&quot; or &quot;dislike&quot; *the person*, but rather the content of the question or answer." CreationDate="2019-01-29T15:04:22.603" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18267" PostId="4101" Score="0" Text="Thank you for this answer. In second question I also suggested to count down-votes in separate counter. For example $4+2i$ would mean 4 up votes and 2 down votes. This would maybe be easier to handle. There might be better ideas as well." CreationDate="2019-01-29T15:08:02.147" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18269" PostId="4101" Score="1" Text="actually, once you earn more reputation you can see separately the number of upvotes and downvotes; no idea why this functionality has a reputation threshold (the value is 1000), but we have to take for granted many features of the Stack Exchange framework." CreationDate="2019-01-29T15:18:38.870" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="18271" PostId="4101" Score="1" Text="@CarloBeenakker *we have to take for granted many features of the Stack Exchange framework* No, we don't; we can request changes (or in some cases even *impose* them). I believe that personalizing reputation thresholds per-site is a feature that is supported; at least, per-site changes [exist](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/160292/243091)." CreationDate="2019-01-29T15:52:22.157" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18272" PostId="4101" Score="1" Text="In fact, also a user with lower rep can find number of upvotes and downvotes - either by looking at [the timeline of the post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/timeline/info) or [using a userscript](https://stackapps.com/questions/3082/view-vote-totals-without-1000-rep). (I will certainly admit that both solutions are a bit cumbersome - and the split of downvotes/upvotes is only tangential here.)" CreationDate="2019-01-29T16:23:44.057" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18273" PostId="4101" Score="0" Text="@CarloBeenakker My point is that up- votes and down-votes should NOT be summarized !" CreationDate="2019-01-30T07:34:47.287" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18279" PostId="4101" Score="3" Text="@MarekMitros If I understand your most recent comment correctly, it is similar to this feature request on Mathematics Meta: [Feature request: always display upvotes and downvotes separately](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5121/feature-request-always-display-upvotes-and-downvotes-separately)." CreationDate="2019-01-31T04:14:58.377" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18280" PostId="4101" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes, it is similar. However that person is very keen on down-voting while I rather propose to remove down-voting completely. If it must stay then yes, please show it separately. The explanation is that these are separate categories. If one person likes soup and second person do not like soup we cannot summarize it by saying &quot;in average soup is neutral&quot;. The same here up-voting is different thing that down-voting. I stress here negative impact of down-voting on the person who asked. Even Asaf stress that it is about question and not about person, it is not possible to distinguish" CreationDate="2019-01-31T06:16:26.307" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18282" PostId="4101" Score="5" Text="So, Marek, you reckon there would be less of a negative impact on a person from seeing up 10, down 8 than from just seeing +2?" CreationDate="2019-01-31T11:53:59.847" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18288" PostId="4101" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Yes, this is what I am saying. For example you cannot down-vote comments. In this moment your comment received 4 up-votes. This means that 4 users agree with what you are saying. My comment will receive 0 up-votes, this means no one agree with me :) Additionally I dared to compare MO to FB. This is embarassing to think that MO could be similar in any way to FB. Anyhow MO users have emotions as well, even if they deny." CreationDate="2019-02-01T10:42:46.833" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18274" PostId="4103" Score="1" Text="For the examples you give, I see the possibility where the macro names are better than the symbols they might define for communication, so I would leave those alone. In general, I would use this post as a place to list problem examples for which a strong argument for change should be made.  If there are a lot of such, then we can consider automated editing or even editing.  Gerhard &quot;Prefers Clarity Over Font Choice&quot; Paseman, 2019.01.30." CreationDate="2019-01-30T15:57:56.190" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18275" PostId="4103" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman Just to make this more clear, the way this post/comment is *displayed now* is different from what the OP intended - since the macros worked *at the time of the posting*. (Before the question was enclosed in a separate begingroup..endgroup.)" CreationDate="2019-01-30T16:07:33.987" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18276" PostId="4103" Score="2" Text="Yes, and in some cases the intent of the original poster is clear enough that someone can make changes respecting that intent. Most of the time we can at best guess.  My point is that, except for extreme cases, we should not even guess or edit. Let the original poster change it or request change.  Gerhard &quot;Sometimes Inaction Is The Best&quot; Paseman, 2019.01.30." CreationDate="2019-01-30T16:46:36.723" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18277" PostId="4103" Score="5" Text="@GerhardPaseman Actually, your comment seems to me as an argument *in favor* of editing. You say that we should respect the posters' intent - and the intention was very likely for the post to look the way it looked after it was posted (i.e., with the macros rendered), not influenced by later changes in the software." CreationDate="2019-01-30T16:51:51.410" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18278" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="Perhaps. If the intent was to use the macros as a convenience and the side effect of the changes improves the clarity of the communication, it might also be the posters intent to preserve the current rendering. In your last comment, you are guessing at the posters intent. (I am also guessing.) Even though you may be right, you also assume that we can reconstruct the original presentation. I do not assume that.  I assume that if it matters to the poster, they will ask. They will benefit from seeing this meta post. Gerhard &quot;Thanks For Presenting The Issue&quot; Paseman, 2019.01.30." CreationDate="2019-01-30T17:04:08.100" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18284" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="How many posts have you seen affected by this change? I suppose I'm suspicious that so long as users are only passively editing such posts or flagging comments as they come across them, there won't be a *flood* of flags to mods' inboxes, or of bumped questions to the front page." CreationDate="2019-01-31T23:18:15.157" UserId="64073" />
  <row Id="18286" PostId="4103" Score="4" Text="@GerhardPaseman It would be a bit tougher, but an editor could find the place on the page where the `\newcommand` macro is defined (it's gotta be *somewhere* on the page, right?), and just copy the definition of that macro into the post where the errors are occurring. This would preserve the author's original rendering without guesswork. I can't imagine a user of one of these affected posts *wanting* their post to have red-highlighted errors rendered in it, although you are correct that that's only an assumption." CreationDate="2019-01-31T23:27:52.333" UserId="64073" />
  <row Id="18289" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="@MikePierce I do not know how many such posts and comment are there *in total* - since I cannot think of an easy how to search for all instances of this problem. The examples from MathOverflow that I have found so far [are listed in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/88939/2019/2/1) - there is not too  many of them. (On Mathematics you can find more such cases - some of them have already been edited. But that it very natural, considering that MO is about 10-times smaller.)" CreationDate="2019-02-01T12:27:12.560" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18290" PostId="4103" Score="2" Text="One possibility would be to put `\endgroup` just before the definitions and `\begingroup` right after, which would make the definitions global again (unless SE has modified the begingroup extension to prevent that).  I suspect some will not like this idea, as it circumvents the intent of using begingroup, but it would help reduce the number of posts that need to be modified.  Then again, it might be something that SE disables in the future, and we'd be back at this point again.  Just a thought." CreationDate="2019-02-01T14:21:20.547" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="18291" PostId="4103" Score="2" Text="@DavideCervone If I understand your solution correctly, it would need some edits anyway - I think that it's better to make edits which are less likely to break things in the future. (Although I understand that some advantage to this would be that editing comments would not be needed.)" CreationDate="2019-02-01T14:55:05.707" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18292" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, yes, there are still some edits needed, but fewer than if you had to copy global definitions to all answers and comments that needed them.  And, as you say, that could avoid the problems inherent in editing comments." CreationDate="2019-02-01T15:53:21.753" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="18830" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="@DavideCervone One additional problem with using the workaround suggested in your comments is that it might be seen as intentionally disrupting the intended usage of MathJax and potentially lead to some problems. Quote [of a SE employee](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4130/the-scope-of-newcommand-is-the-entire-page/29621#comment127000_29621): &quot;The only way this'd happen is from someone *trying* to mess with the page and I'm okay with leaving that up to being edited out and the user potentially being suspended if they keep at it. &quot;" CreationDate="2019-04-12T15:32:21.077" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21781" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="It seems that on [physics.se], the posts with this problem have been mostly edited, see: [The scope of \newcommand changed](https://physics.meta.stackexchange.com/q/12798)." CreationDate="2020-04-02T14:01:10.837" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21906" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="There's a typo in &quot;mathoverlow&quot; (I can't suggest an edit to fix it)." CreationDate="2020-04-15T12:40:06.173" UserId="12751" />
  <row Id="21907" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="@joriki Thanks for letting me know - I'll try not to forget to correct it if this thread is bumped for some other reason." CreationDate="2020-04-15T12:47:30.400" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18294" PostId="4104" Score="1" Text="Well, not all comments need to be answered -- many are just for information. If there would be such reminders as you propose, I guess this would make people be swamped with that type of messages." CreationDate="2019-02-02T14:40:01.970" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="18295" PostId="4104" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl As you said, it may be the case that some comments are just for information... In other cases What do you think is a reasonable thing to do?" CreationDate="2019-02-02T16:38:15.407" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18296" PostId="4104" Score="2" Text="So far I don't see a convincing reason to change anything in this respect at all." CreationDate="2019-02-02T23:19:40.423" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="18306" PostId="4104" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: A dismiss button could easily fix that. Are you really that swamped by comment responses?" CreationDate="2019-02-04T06:53:51.737" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18317" PostId="4104" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: Yes, a dismiss button would certainly fix that." CreationDate="2019-02-04T17:06:17.250" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="18297" PostId="4105" Score="4" Text="This may be for the deleters to answer. But I don't think the reasons given in that Help post were meant to be comprehensive. My own guess is that the deleters felt that your answer was largely opinion-based, not obviously rooted in experience with writing mathematics papers, and indeed arguably gave bad advice for writing mathematics -- to the point it would be better to remove it than leave it there.  I myself strongly disagreed with much of it, inasmuch as it purports to do with writing mathematics." CreationDate="2019-02-03T05:00:14.667" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18299" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the feedback. Ironically I consider my other answer as bad, and I actually prefer to have it deleted. I indeed don't have experience in writing math paper, but I do read some math (up to representation theory), and I think it goes well with my experience. It will be great if you can explain why you strongly disagree with it." CreationDate="2019-02-03T07:52:11.390" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="18300" PostId="4105" Score="7" Text="In particular, I disagreed with everything you said about &quot;forest&quot;. That was a case where *nothing* needs to be done: it's an evocative term already, and widely understood; for that reason your suggestions seem uninformed and way off the mark (and the OP didn't say he had a problem with &quot;forest&quot;, did he?). I disagree with what you said about &quot;abelian&quot;: it's so commonly understood and entrenched that I know no one but you who has any problem with it. I really dislike the &quot;sabio&quot; suggestion. It's &quot;deja vu&quot;, not &quot;de javu&quot;. I think the suggestion to use a portmanteau engine is probably a bad one." CreationDate="2019-02-03T12:20:31.647" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18301" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="Well, the OP has problem with red herring names, and I guess &quot;forest&quot; is a red herring name, no? In your comment on my other answer you say that it's not even an analogy, suggesting that you dislike it. I find your statement &quot;it's an evocative term already, and widely understood&quot; contradicts to everything I know in that question. The &quot;sabio&quot; or &quot;abelian&quot;, again, is just an example, and your dislike and my dislike on them are just personal preferences I think. I'd like to know why my main point is wrong: that it may be better to create new meaning on the established name." CreationDate="2019-02-03T12:49:33.870" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="18302" PostId="4105" Score="5" Text="Because mathematics is a community effort, and it takes a substantial period of time to overcome dialogue like &quot;Sorry, what is a sabio group?&quot; &quot;oh, it's just an abelian group&quot;. There should be seriously good justification before undergoing such a project.  A related point is already made by the top-voted answer in that thread!" CreationDate="2019-02-03T13:50:52.627" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="18303" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="@MikeMiller That would be a good point. It seems like although I see my answers (1) align well with my experience during the time I learn math/physics, and (2) base on cognitive psychology and linguistics, they are more on daily basis, not on math basis. This makes sense to me. The tax to coin new word in daily basis is much lower than in math, and I don't think the theories on those fields base on math papers anyway. So do you think that the answer is not wrong per se, it's just not suitable in math? Anyway, I think my other answer aligns with the top one, especially the challenge section." CreationDate="2019-02-03T14:25:14.957" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="18304" PostId="4105" Score="6" Text="&quot;Forest&quot; is most definitely not a red herring, in my understanding of how &quot;red herring&quot; is used here: https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/red+herring+principle" CreationDate="2019-02-03T14:48:59.613" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18305" PostId="4105" Score="7" Text="Ooker, I think your last comment is on the right track: however good your advice might be for other areas, I don't think much of it applies well in math. For example, the advice to invent a fictional character (which you even emphasize in a footnote: &quot;Please do this&quot;). For heaven's sake, please don't do this!! Maybe (maybe) John H. Conway could get away with this, because (1) he's a genius, as everyone knows, and because (2) he has a long established record of linguistic whimsy, and people will indulge him. But for those just starting a mathematical career, IMO it sounds like terrible advice." CreationDate="2019-02-03T18:21:40.057" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18307" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble thanks. I've rewritten it in the answer below, can you check it." CreationDate="2019-02-04T08:52:00.023" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="18298" PostId="4106" Score="1" Text="This bug report (on Meta Stack Exchange) seems a bit similar: [Took an action on a post already but the First Posts review queue sometimes doesn't activate “I'm Done” button](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/264349) (However, it got no response.)" CreationDate="2019-02-03T05:09:08.657" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18308" PostId="4107" Score="1" Text="Sure, providing the intuition first before the formal definition can be great. But care needs to be taken to ensure that it remains correct and meaningful. Your &quot;translation&quot; is neither. You just introduce new terms that have not been defined (reducing a representation and &quot;holding vectors from being pulled out&quot;), neither of which easily translate to anything I could make precise while keeping the definition correct. Also, ending with &quot;then we have...&quot; is really not a good way to end a definition in mathematics." CreationDate="2019-02-04T10:43:51.503" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="18309" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="This, again, is just an example and not my main point. A discussion of this is available in Math Edu: [Why are proofs written in flowery language incomprehensible?](https://matheducators.stackexchange.com/a/14405/8875). Can you read the question, the answer, and my comment in that answer?" CreationDate="2019-02-04T12:52:57.980" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="18310" PostId="4107" Score="6" Text="I mean, maybe all this is worth thinking about if you're a textbook author, writing for students still struggling with the peculiar ways in which mathematicians use language, but the OP's question was more in view of writing for other mathematicians who are familiar with the peculiarities, and would probably resent such elaborations or over-explanations in a paper. The OP's question is also about naming new concepts, a problem which comes up hardly at all in writing textbooks. Therefore much of this still reads to me as off-topic." CreationDate="2019-02-04T12:54:13.607" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18311" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble you are correct that my experience is limited to textbook. Anyway, what do you think about the first part of it (before I talk about my experience)? I think this is still useful in this question. In fact I think it can be a synthesis for my both answers. As for the naming new concepts, what do you think about the part in the deleted one? So far I still haven't receive much critiques about it." CreationDate="2019-02-04T13:05:20.253" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="18312" PostId="4107" Score="9" Text="The answer by Benoît Kloeckner in that Math Edu thread is excellent, and I think you should take it to heart, but the discussion is about something other than what the OP referred to in this discussion is asking about, and so it's a bit of a distraction. I'm disinclined to enter a long discussion about all of this, but I do wonder why you want to weigh in so much on a topic which you admit you have little experience with. MO and MO meta are not there for you (or other non-professional mathematicians) to hone your thinking about your own attempted answers." CreationDate="2019-02-04T13:13:12.867" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18314" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Perhaps it is because I have a strong interest in this topic, and I wasn't aware of the difference between my struggle to learn math and the struggle of professional mathematicians to produce math. I can only fully know it when I become a mathematician myself, but since this is not the case, this unawareness still follows me, making me wonder what I am missing. I know you don't want a long discussion, but I wonder why the first part isn't interesting to the OP, or why knowledge on other fields isn't interesting for mathematicians writing for mathematicians." CreationDate="2019-02-04T14:58:48.280" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="18321" PostId="4107" Score="10" Text="I think some of the downvotes here and elsewhere are arising because of an impression that you are very determined to offer suggestions on what _should be done_ while speaking from a relatively inexperienced position as a researcher in mathematics or a writer in mathematics or a teacher of mathematics" CreationDate="2019-02-04T21:00:54.687" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="18324" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi Do you think that if I cut the advice part and only focus on the linguistic/cognitive aspects of it, it will be more welcomed? Maybe this is the reason why I feel you are passing my point and I am passing your point. Perhaps it is because the OP asks for solution that makes me want to give advice. Todd said that it's good, it's just not suitable in math." CreationDate="2019-02-05T06:12:48.067" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="18325" PostId="4107" Score="4" Text="Why would it be welcomed if it is not suitable for math? This is a forum for mathematicians and that was a thread about mathematics." CreationDate="2019-02-05T16:10:04.443" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="18326" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="@MikeMiller but it is about the advice part only. The first part is not advice and about math. I am asking about it only" CreationDate="2019-02-05T16:19:16.133" UserId="114987" />
  <row Id="18315" PostId="4108" Score="6" Text="Related post on Meta Stack Exchange: [New Rep indicator stops when having negative score](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/209021). Some of the comments there suggest that the counter is reset as soon as you click on the achievements/reputation indicator." CreationDate="2019-02-04T15:05:59.077" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18316" PostId="4108" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks for the information! Yes it seems I did something like that, now it started working again. This information could be put in an answer, but we do not know for sure what triggers it?" CreationDate="2019-02-04T15:53:19.127" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="18392" PostId="4108" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე While I'm not 100% confident, I believe the &quot;concept&quot; is that SO doesn't like notifying users of *negative* rep changes. So if the sum total of the unread notifications is negative, you won't see the signal, but once you've read them, they cease to count towards the sum." CreationDate="2019-02-14T21:59:02.517" UserId="115670" />
  <row Id="18327" PostId="4110" Score="0" Text="I have mentioned already in the question [this chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/88939/collecting-examples-of-comments-and-posts-with-problem-caused-by-begingroup-endg). You can see there how I searched for these examples - and the same room can be used for any discussions related to this issue." CreationDate="2019-02-07T13:44:23.317" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18328" PostId="4110" Score="2" Text="BTW when trying to find these examples, I was a bit surprised to see that many people often use macros (perhaps out of habit) without noticing that the macro is undefined and it does not render in the comment (or in the post)." CreationDate="2019-02-07T14:30:17.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21570" PostId="4110" Score="0" Text="Some examples of posts broken by this change are listed also here in chat: [Examples from MathOverflow 1](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/88939/conversation/examples-from-mathoverflow-1) and [[Examples from MathOverflow 2](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/88939/conversation/examples-from-mathoverflow-2)." CreationDate="2020-02-13T01:09:59.080" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18330" PostId="4111" Score="0" Text="The difference [tag:stable-homotopy-category] minus [tag:stable-homotopy] consists of 19 questions: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/stable-homotopy-category+-stable-homotopy" CreationDate="2019-02-09T23:29:32.537" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18331" PostId="4111" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: And, for example, the first two questions have nothing to do with the homotopy category per se." CreationDate="2019-02-09T23:45:25.197" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="18476" PostId="4111" Score="1" Text="For context: [tag:stable-homotopy]: 342 questions; [tag:stable-homotopy-category]: 44 questions." CreationDate="2019-03-02T15:43:16.580" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18332" PostId="4112" Score="1" Text="This isn't directly related to your question/suggestion, but looking at the exchanges in the comments makes me wonder if this isn't an occasion for bringing back &quot;tea&quot; ( http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ )" CreationDate="2019-02-10T03:25:11.353" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="18338" PostId="4112" Score="2" Text="I actually think that chat would be a good place for many of the discussions in the comments, but Dmitri Pavlov did not want to move there..." CreationDate="2019-02-10T16:20:56.650" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="18339" PostId="4112" Score="6" Text="And I explained why: the chat discussion would be buried in a couple of days, whereas the comments will be readable forever.  Myself, I enjoy reading other such discussions in the comments." CreationDate="2019-02-10T19:17:33.650" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="18340" PostId="4112" Score="5" Text="@DmitriPavlov It's fairly easy to link to the chat discussions in the comments to the answer, and there's even a button to create a dedicated chatroom with an automatic link attached to the answer. But, of course, it's up to the participants in the discussion." CreationDate="2019-02-10T19:46:45.603" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="18341" PostId="4112" Score="0" Text="It's now CW, incidentally." CreationDate="2019-02-10T19:49:05.427" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18343" PostId="4112" Score="2" Text="@DenisNardin Well, maybe it would be more precise to say, that it's up to the participants and *up to the moderators* - since the mods can move the discussion in comments to the chat, if they consider this suitable." CreationDate="2019-02-10T23:41:01.867" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18390" PostId="4112" Score="3" Text="*Primarily opinion based* is one of the listed reasons for closing a question on MO." CreationDate="2019-02-14T12:00:40.817" UserId="17836" />
  <row Id="18391" PostId="4112" Score="3" Text="A hidden axiom here is that mathoverflow points have value." CreationDate="2019-02-14T14:25:02.803" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="18333" PostId="4113" Score="2" Text="Some of the data shown there can be obtained already by [Data Explorer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info), which was available [for some time](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/634/how-long-until-mathoverflow-will-be-part-of-the-stack-exchange-data-explorer). But using Mathematica clearly adds new possibilities." CreationDate="2019-02-10T05:50:45.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18336" PostId="4113" Score="13" Text="I see that both “gerhard ask me about system design” and “ask me about system design paseman” make it, albeit in small font, into the word cloud of 6-grams. The word cloud of 7-grams is not shown ..." CreationDate="2019-02-10T10:44:24.833" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="18342" PostId="4113" Score="5" Text="Just goes to show, if you want to make it big in this word (cloud), you have to keep at it.  Gerhard &quot;Ask Me About System Design&quot; Paseman, 2019.02.10." CreationDate="2019-02-10T20:18:12.020" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18373" PostId="4113" Score="1" Text="The equations analysis is good, eg: What is the most common equation on MathOverflow? (If the post had a table of contents I would link there.) Apparently the answer is $n=2$." CreationDate="2019-02-12T12:01:04.747" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="18395" PostId="4113" Score="0" Text="Possibly looking at some older questions tagged ([meta-tag:statistics]) might give some indication what MO users were interested in the past. (And somebody familiar with Mathematica might be able to check whether this software is suitable for some of them.)" CreationDate="2019-02-17T07:06:36.437" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20459" PostId="4114" Score="0" Text="Some resources of this kind are also mentioned in the [Wikipedia article on MathOverflow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MathOverflow). (Some references in that article have been added relatively recently, probably in connection with the discussion whether MO is notable enough to have an article on WP: [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MathOverflow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MathOverflow).)." CreationDate="2019-06-26T06:19:47.197" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18335" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="This answer is [community wiki](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-wiki/info) - do not hesitate to edit it if you have some interesting additions." CreationDate="2019-02-10T10:26:13.340" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18337" PostId="4115" Score="1" Text="The Montoya et al. paper is discussed at https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1894/is-mo-connected" CreationDate="2019-02-10T10:57:39.830" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18831" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="A related post about papers using data from the whole network or from some sites: [Academic papers using Stack Exchange data](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/134495)." CreationDate="2019-04-13T06:20:15.777" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20460" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="This question on main is also (to some extent) related: [On Mathematical Analysis of MathSciNet &amp; MathOverflow](https://mathoverflow.net/q/301299)." CreationDate="2019-06-26T06:21:13.557" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18334" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="This answer is [community wiki](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-wiki/info) - do not hesitate to edit it if you have some interesting additions." CreationDate="2019-02-10T10:26:09.317" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21104" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="There is also a separate post which asks about [MO in the Notices of the AMS](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3154)." CreationDate="2019-10-01T06:08:05.820" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18344" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="I flagged this post to get more attention and for answer(s). Thank you." CreationDate="2019-02-11T08:17:47.140" UserId="76159" />
  <row Id="18346" PostId="4117" Score="11" Text="I have nothing to contribute about legal discussions of copyright. However, I think this could lead to confusion between the two sites, and possibly posts to MathOverflow.net that would have been more appropriate to MathOverflow.in. Given the *drastic* difference in goals between this site and what you have in mind, I see that as a serious problem: MathOverflow is a website for research mathematicians, while you propose something more analogous in scope to Math.StackExchange." CreationDate="2019-02-11T08:47:06.333" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="18347" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="Thanks for comment @MikeMiller , I respect your opinion, however I were planed mathoverflow.in in mother tongue (i.e., Hindi). Also, mathoverflow.net &gt;&gt; math.stackexchange.com &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; mathoverflow._in_." CreationDate="2019-02-11T08:58:32.403" UserId="76159" />
  <row Id="18348" PostId="4117" Score="9" Text="*Why* do you want to use the MathOverflow name in the first place? It would help recognition of your project if you use a distinctive name of your own." CreationDate="2019-02-11T09:11:36.787" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="18349" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I suppose this could be popular name as people are using 'overflow' word like gateoverflow , jeeoverflow, stackoverflow etc. But if community of mathoverflow.net think that I am trying to harm mathoverflow.net , then I am also ready to release mathoverflow.in domain name (in respect of community)." CreationDate="2019-02-11T09:25:09.900" UserId="76159" />
  <row Id="18350" PostId="4117" Score="3" Text="IANAL &amp; I'm not MO regular, but having a same domain with only the difference in the TLD will confuse someone (is it .net? .in?), unless both sites want to cooperate by mentioning the alternative on the homepage (e.g. &quot;Looking for Stack Exchange's MathOverflow? [Click here](https://mathoverflow.net)!&quot;). While you could do this, I'm not sure SE is willing to do this to help some users who got lost to this site accidentally." CreationDate="2019-02-11T09:32:15.260" UserId="60571" />
  <row Id="18351" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="@AndrewT. , thanks, I don't know if Mathoverflow.net will do it, but if they allow to build this, then I will surely add this banner on head of every page of mathoverflow.in . I also don't know if mathoverflow.net will loose its users because of mathoverflow.in, but it is sure that mathoverflow.net will get more users because of mathoverflow.in , if it will build." CreationDate="2019-02-11T09:39:00.017" UserId="76159" />
  <row Id="18352" PostId="4117" Score="4" Text="@MikeMiller it's not a question of copyright, but trademark. I think Andrew T's point is the relevant one. IANAL, but from [WP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_infringement): _A trademark can be valid because it is officially registered, or because it has a claim under common law._ (the US recognises common-law trademarks). _Whether the defendant's use of the trademark is likely to confuse consumers._ and _likelihood of confusion that consumers will believe the products or services originated from the trademark owner_ are relevant points." CreationDate="2019-02-11T10:19:25.880" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18353" PostId="4117" Score="3" Text="“But if community of mathoverflow.net think that I am trying to harm mathoverflow.net , then I am also ready to release mathoverflow.in domain name” — It seems clear that you’re acting in good faith and not *trying* to harm MathOverflow.  However, for all the reasons others are giving, it seems clear that (if your site is successful and attracts a significant number of users) it will harm MathOverflow through causing confusion, and it will similarly harm your own site, compared to if you had given it its own distinctive name." CreationDate="2019-02-11T10:56:34.177" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="18354" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="Looking at the comments, you're already set on using that name, and nothing short of legal threats will dissuade you." CreationDate="2019-02-11T11:25:18.173" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18355" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="There is no intention to harm mathoverflow.net , I was student of math, so I respect this beautiful and high educated community. Let's suppose mathoverflow.in overtake mathoverflow.net (although it seems impossible) , as I earlier commented that I will put banners/texts on top of every page, so there will be more benefit of mathoverflow.net regarding traffic, @PeterLeFanuLumsdaine" CreationDate="2019-02-11T11:32:07.797" UserId="76159" />
  <row Id="18356" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila sir, not yet, since this was available so I bought it, after I seen term &quot;trademark&quot;, then I'v mailed to team@SO . However, if this is trademark word, I will not use." CreationDate="2019-02-11T11:34:32.810" UserId="76159" />
  <row Id="18357" PostId="4117" Score="10" Text="“There is no intention to harm mathoverflow.net.” I appreciate that! But this thread feels like you are asking me “Is it illegal if I stand on your toes?”, I say “I don’t know, but it will hurt”, and you say “Oh! I don’t want to hurt you. But is it illegal? If it’s illegal, then I won’t do it.”  If you don’t want to hurt me, then *don’t stand on my toes*, whether it’s illegal or not.  Similarly, if you have no intention to harm MathOverflow, the best way to show that is to respect the requests of MO users here and not use a misleadingly similar domain name, regardless of trademark status." CreationDate="2019-02-11T11:49:50.997" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="18358" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine :) , well if I release this domain name, someone will buy and use. Will that ok? I think no . What should do with this domain name? Should I release without bothering anything or handover it to MO Inc. ? Will they accept it?." CreationDate="2019-02-11T11:59:00.607" UserId="76159" />
  <row Id="18360" PostId="4118" Score="3" Text="I think people like answers which speak to their level of knowledge -- emphasizing what they want to know, and de-emphasizing what they already know. So people here sophisticated in algebraic geometry may find that your posts have too much notation; if you know less than them in this area, it may be hard for you to write in a way that appeals to them. Secondarily, yes, length can turn people off, and also posts like https://mathoverflow.net/a/322108/44143 seem to be missing words like &quot;a&quot;, &quot;the&quot; and &quot;that&quot; which would make them easier to read for MathOverflow's largely American audience." CreationDate="2019-02-11T17:13:07.263" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="18361" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="Thanks @MattF. I take &quot;emphasizing what they want to know, and de-emphasizing what they already know&quot; seriously and try to make my posts better... For &quot;missing words like &quot;a&quot;, &quot;the&quot; and &quot;that&quot; which would make them easier to read&quot; I am trying to improve my English also... Just for this time, if you want, you can edit the post you mentioned so that I can keep in mind how to do next time.." CreationDate="2019-02-11T17:52:26.727" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18362" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="You know more algebraic geometry than I do, so I am not going to edit your posts, even for the English!" CreationDate="2019-02-11T18:02:53.757" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="18363" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="That is ok :) @MattF. Thanks for your comments :)" CreationDate="2019-02-11T18:08:19.920" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18369" PostId="4118" Score="1" Text="Let me take for an example your [most recent answer](https://mathoverflow.net/a/322961/4177), on a question with an accepted answer that already points to the Stacks Project for a proof. You have written out an outline of that proof in your answer. In principle, StackExchange answers are supposed to be somewhat self-contained, but MO is not standard SE, and any mathematician interested in this question would prefer a reference to a complete and carefully written source rather than deal with the average typesetting available here. Moreover, the Stacks Project is citable in papers, MO less so." CreationDate="2019-02-12T11:45:08.157" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18370" PostId="4118" Score="2" Text="[This answer](https://mathoverflow.net/a/320820/4177) doesn't answer your own question, neither does [this answer](https://mathoverflow.net/a/321313/4177). In adding [this answer](https://mathoverflow.net/a/319043/4177) to a question you asked, you are joining three other good answers, one of which you had accepted.  Adding an answer to your own question, which already has a well-received answer (ie with a respectable number of upvotes), and that looks like you explaining something to yourself, isn't necessarily what other people are looking for." CreationDate="2019-02-12T11:57:06.853" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18371" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts I think I understand... At least for that question, a reference is sufficient and so, an answer explaining details is of least importantance.. Is providing details not suitable for MO? You have seen most of my answers and they are lengthy and I like it that way... Is it the case that some users just want to cite a result so details are not that important (at that point of time) and so they do not show interest in details?" CreationDate="2019-02-12T11:57:14.600" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18372" PostId="4118" Score="7" Text="@PraphullaKoushik well, some people may prefer to read Johan de Jong's polished proof rather than a student's first pass at understanding the topic. But: are you after upvotes, or understanding the mathematics? Working this stuff out on your blog is a good exercise, and I strongly encourage that. But speaking for myself, I want a conceptual answer sometimes here on MO, rather than the details I can read elsewhere, typeset in a better way, presented by someone who can, from experience, know what to keep in and what to leave out." CreationDate="2019-02-12T12:00:01.687" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18374" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts &quot;are you after upvotes, or understanding the mathematics?&quot; :) :) Definitely mathematics :D :D I want to learn &quot;what to keep in and what to leave out&quot; simultaneously when learning mathematics... First user's comment is also along same lines... May be I should  know how to emphasise something  that is important and de-emphasise something that is not important.. I will keep in mind..." CreationDate="2019-02-12T12:06:10.323" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18601" PostId="4118" Score="1" Text="In plain English, people tend to upvote answers because they are easy." CreationDate="2019-03-21T13:30:50.197" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18359" PostId="4119" Score="1" Text="Regarding the domain name, my opinion is that the corporation is unlikely to accept it from you.  I suggest not using it except perhaps to redirect to a different site, say indianjobsinmath.in , where this different site is clearly distinct in form and function from MathOverflow.  Gerhard &quot;This Might Still Cause Problems&quot; Paseman, 2019.02.11." CreationDate="2019-02-11T16:48:46.223" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18365" PostId="4119" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your explanation." CreationDate="2019-02-11T18:34:23.393" UserId="76159" />
  <row Id="18364" PostId="4120" Score="0" Text="Thank you Sir. Should I release it or do you need this domain (you can link on existing site like mathoverflow.com/.org)? (.in is popular domain name, I guess)." CreationDate="2019-02-11T18:33:09.823" UserId="76159" />
  <row Id="18366" PostId="4120" Score="2" Text="@MithleshUpadhyay We have all the domains we need." CreationDate="2019-02-11T19:07:07.723" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18367" PostId="4120" Score="2" Text="&quot;...a plumbing service called MathOverflow...&quot; Just might happen: http://jokes.nick-santos.com/2007/05/mathematician-and-plumber.html" CreationDate="2019-02-11T21:07:57.850" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18375" PostId="4120" Score="0" Text="@Gerry: I know this joke in a whole other set up, and a slightly different punchline." CreationDate="2019-02-12T20:35:27.763" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18393" PostId="4123" Score="6" Text="I have often left erroneous posts with words added at top indicating the nature of the error.  Sometimes it was to indicate what happens if you misread the question, and other times it was a warning to others as to what happens when you take the wrong path.  If people can learn from the post and the question together, you can leave the post up. Gerhard &quot;In My Rather Unhumble Opinion&quot; Paseman, 2019.02.15." CreationDate="2019-02-16T02:51:58.087" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18394" PostId="4123" Score="3" Text="in this particular case it was the question itself which was improperly phrased (the title did not match the content); the answer has upvotes, it serves a purpose." CreationDate="2019-02-16T19:36:09.857" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="18396" PostId="4124" Score="0" Text="Thanks, this looks exactly like what I had in mind!" CreationDate="2019-02-19T06:22:03.207" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18397" PostId="4124" Score="0" Text="It's very minor, but there seems to be a subject-verb agreement mistake in the error message (your links work... others can follow it)." CreationDate="2019-02-19T06:23:26.670" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18399" PostId="4124" Score="1" Text="Oh. Good catch. I played around with that message for a bit and didn't give it the final pass it needed, I suppose. I changed the final word to &quot;them&quot;." CreationDate="2019-02-19T07:39:12.327" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="18402" PostId="4124" Score="1" Text="&quot;For this site, most proxies seem to be associated with educational institutions.&quot; and `.edu` is almost exclusively associated with educational institutions *from the United States*." CreationDate="2019-02-19T15:30:58.230" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="18403" PostId="4124" Score="1" Text="@NajibIdrissi: True. For the purposes of this warning, however, I need a text pattern that has a high probability of indicating a proxy link and a low probability of creating more confusion. I'm happy to add more checks if they seem to fit that criteria." CreationDate="2019-02-19T16:30:27.230" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="18407" PostId="4124" Score="0" Text="To me, it seems unlikely that any non-proxy URL would include the phrase &quot;proxy&quot;. Maybe just search for that? (I say this as someone who has accidentally included a proxy URL in an answer and whose institution does not have &quot;.edu&quot; in its URL." CreationDate="2019-02-19T20:11:40.163" UserId="468" />
  <row Id="18408" PostId="4124" Score="2" Text="@HughThomas: The regex doesn't really know if the string is a URL. Doing that would be [a little more complex](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/161738/what-is-the-best-regular-expression-to-check-if-a-string-is-a-valid-url). That said, I could search for strings that start with `https?:` and include &quot;proxy&quot;. That would knock off the &quot;edu&quot; requirement and avoid false positives." CreationDate="2019-02-19T20:24:35.757" UserId="36770" />
  <row Id="18410" PostId="4124" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson: Thanks! I know nothing about this and should probably shut up and let the people like you who understand the issues do their thing. Nonetheless two things occur to me. One is: maybe people neglect to write http; maybe someone with better search skills than me could see how much that happens. Another one is: could the regex look for whatever it is in the markup we use that encodes that something is a clickable link?" CreationDate="2019-02-20T03:44:00.533" UserId="468" />
  <row Id="18398" PostId="4125" Score="11" Text="Oh, Open Problem Garden seems to be dying --- last update in 2017, and it won't let me create an account. Shoot. We can't direct sincere askers to a dead site." CreationDate="2019-02-19T07:34:06.437" UserId="88133" />
  <row Id="18401" PostId="4125" Score="25" Text="Basically any question can be rephrased as a &quot;conjecture&quot;. I agree that non-questions such as &quot;what do you think?&quot; should be avoided. But banning conjectures altogether makes no sense, we could as well close the website. Really, what's the difference between &quot;Does object X satisfy property P?&quot; and &quot;I conjecture that object X satisfies property P, what do you think?&quot;" CreationDate="2019-02-19T15:29:05.493" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="18404" PostId="4125" Score="5" Text="@NajibIdrissi, while what you say is technically true, it seems a little disingenuous.  (I hope that doesn't sound harsh; I sought, but couldn't find, a gentler word with similar import.  I don't mean to impute to you any ill motivation.)  I have occasionally sought examples of a phenomenon, been unable to find them, and asked for examples here on MO; but I think that it is meaningfully different from conjecturing that examples do (or don't) exist, in a way that is probably hard to formalise but easy to recognise informally." CreationDate="2019-02-19T17:04:11.400" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="18411" PostId="4125" Score="2" Text="I've edited the question to try to be less judgmental about possible (imagined) motivations for asking about one's own conjectures." CreationDate="2019-02-20T04:24:01.353" UserId="88133" />
  <row Id="18448" PostId="4125" Score="2" Text="Perhaps a &quot;conjecture&quot; tag could be enforced, so that one can ignore it easily?" CreationDate="2019-02-26T16:28:29.693" UserDisplayName="user114668" />
  <row Id="18465" PostId="4125" Score="5" Text="The post now offers a [monetary reward](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/323541/positive-integers-written-as-binomw2-binomx4-binomy6-binomz8-with#comment808499_323541), which seems very much inappropriate." CreationDate="2019-02-27T21:36:05.653" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="18470" PostId="4125" Score="1" Text="@LSpice. The only thing inappropriate about having a monetary reward for the solution of a mathematics problem is that the reward is not enforced through a cryptocurrency smart contract on a cryptocurrency whose coins are distributed as a reward for solving a useful mining problem." CreationDate="2019-03-01T03:12:07.520" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18471" PostId="4125" Score="4" Text="@JosephVanName, I guess it was sarcasm, but my objection was not to the offering of a monetary reward at all, but to the use of MO as a forum for the offer." CreationDate="2019-03-01T12:52:55.190" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="18472" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="My answer was deleted - don't know by whom. So I add comment here. I have asked 27 questions on MO and 14 of them received an answer. Therefore 52% of my questions received an answer." CreationDate="2019-03-01T13:11:18.467" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18473" PostId="4125" Score="1" Text="@MarekMitros, your [answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4139) has not been deleted." CreationDate="2019-03-02T03:12:10.467" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="18480" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="Maybe I miss something, but what is the difference between posting a conjecture directly and doing it indirectly by asking for counterexamples? In the latter case counterexamples disprove something of which it is unknown, whether the poster believes it must be true or whether the poster is just wondering whether something is always true?" CreationDate="2019-03-03T12:05:51.903" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="18483" PostId="4125" Score="2" Text="@LSpice Perhaps that would be a question for a separate discussion. There was a related discussion on old tea (it is from 2011): [Is this question acceptable?: 100€ bounty: Do invariant measures maximize the integral?](http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1212/100-bounty-do-invariant-measures-maximize-the-integral/) (And you can find some related discussions on [Mathematics Meta](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/20752) and [Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/25615), but I don't remember this being discussed on this meta.)" CreationDate="2019-03-03T23:52:05.750" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18484" PostId="4125" Score="2" Text="@ZachTeitler Open Problem Garden seems to come back again. I contacted the admin, Robert Samal. He created an account for me (auto-accounts are deactivated due to spam), and i was able to add new problems. You can ask him the same." CreationDate="2019-03-04T07:17:56.740" UserId="63938" />
  <row Id="18488" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="@Lspice, Indeed, thank you ! I was misleaded by grey color - some strange feature of MO, which marks down-voted answers, I believe." CreationDate="2019-03-04T07:54:18.577" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18497" PostId="4125" Score="2" Text="@NicoDean Well, now I feel really stupid and lazy for not writing to the admins before. (I was going to do it eventually, I just procrastinated...)" CreationDate="2019-03-04T18:08:30.457" UserId="88133" />
  <row Id="18499" PostId="4125" Score="1" Text="@ZachTeitler Maybe let's try helping the admins reinitiating this website, its pretty amazing and if it is slightly active, it could be interesting again for many people." CreationDate="2019-03-04T23:51:11.523" UserId="63938" />
  <row Id="18501" PostId="4125" Score="4" Text="In my opinion, MathOverflow should not be only interested in reference-requests or graduate-level questions. There are some very talented mathematicians (including some Fields Medalists) here. Novel challenging problems (different from well-known open problems) should be allowed." CreationDate="2019-03-05T01:29:51.977" UserId="124654" />
  <row Id="18781" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="MO is a good place for new conjectures in part since I do not see many people complaining about there being too many questions on MO. One person's difficult conjecture may be another person's exercise." CreationDate="2019-04-06T13:58:25.800" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18405" PostId="4126" Score="9" Text="Your fourth bullet point (about credit) seems a bit harsh to the linked poster, who seems to be a consistent MO participant in good faith and not just seeking credit.  I wonder if it is really necessary to speculate on his (or her?) motives to give this answer." CreationDate="2019-02-19T17:06:16.717" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="18406" PostId="4126" Score="8" Text="A bullet point that I might add in its stead, in elaboration of your first paragraph, is that the conjecture should not be part of an easily deformed family of similar conjectures.  One can recognise this kind of 'bad' conjecture when a poster's question changes constantly in response to counterexamples.  (I reference here not Zhi-Wei Sun, but other posts, of which I'm sure any of us can think of examples.)" CreationDate="2019-02-19T17:07:23.590" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="18413" PostId="4126" Score="4" Text="@LSpice I think maybe the conjectures in this case better belong to the already long list of conjectures on http://maths.nju.edu.cn/~zwsun/" CreationDate="2019-02-20T10:13:29.153" UserId="1056" />
  <row Id="18479" PostId="4126" Score="2" Text="I'd add one more point. It is easy to come up with conjectures based on probabilistic arguments and empirical evidence, but the criterion should be: **why are they interesting?** For the same reason, I don't really consider problems like Goldbach's conjecture to be interesting. To prove my point, I just made up a conjecture: **Every $6k+5$ prime larger than $5$ is the sum of a prime and a positive square**." CreationDate="2019-03-02T16:11:57.097" UserId="50073" />
  <row Id="18490" PostId="4126" Score="0" Text="&quot;Looks solvable&quot; seems very much in the eye of the beholder, and it may very well be that Z-W Sun had the preamble about three triangular squares in order to suggest that maybe similar techniques apply. The same applies to the first criterion &quot;feels like they have been studied before&quot;, although &quot;is looking for a reference&quot; does suggest a possible avenue to improving Z-W Sun's question." CreationDate="2019-03-04T12:40:52.500" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18500" PostId="4126" Score="3" Text="@user21820 I don't think it is easy to pose a nice and novel conjecture. Your &quot;conjecture&quot; that each $n&gt;5$ with $n\equiv 5\pmod6$ is the sum of a prime and a positive square is not new. Hardy and Littlewood had a conjecture on $p+x^2$." CreationDate="2019-03-05T01:15:29.593" UserId="124654" />
  <row Id="18409" PostId="4127" Score="1" Text="I like the (presumably typo-created) adjective &quot;well posted&quot;." CreationDate="2019-02-20T00:58:51.407" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="18414" PostId="4127" Score="2" Text="@Lspice, thank you.  Actually, well-posed is important but different from what I intended to convey. I want an attempt made at showing users good examples  from the MathOverflow corpus to follow (or examples where it is clear how they can be improved). Thus I used the term &quot;well posted&quot; to apply to certain forum questions.  Gerhard &quot;A Letter Makes A Difference&quot; Paseman, 2019.02.20." CreationDate="2019-02-20T15:22:19.517" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18425" PostId="4128" Score="5" Text="One option is to post an additional answer, maybe cw (notably if it just repeats or slightly expands comments), saying that this is a detailed version of X's answer." CreationDate="2019-02-21T22:12:28.650" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18426" PostId="4128" Score="0" Text="@YCor I did that in some of my questions.. there was no positive feedback in that case.." CreationDate="2019-02-21T22:19:38.117" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18427" PostId="4128" Score="4" Text="What kind of positive feedback would you expect? upvotes? Possibly if there was no upvote means that the additional answer was not considered useful, or that people were not interested in the question (for this, compare to the number of upvotes to the question). It's not a judgement (I'm not close enough to your subject, just a general assumption). But certainly if it's not upvoted, it would not be more appreciated as a modification of an answer. Indeed conciseness might be a choice from the answerer and can be appreciated if it's well-balanced." CreationDate="2019-02-21T23:25:15.520" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18428" PostId="4128" Score="0" Text="@YCor by positive feedback I mean a comment saying “this looks ok” or something like that... I am not after upvotes :) :) I completely agree with “if it's not upvoted, it would not be more appreciated as a modification of an answer”... thanks for the feedback... :)" CreationDate="2019-02-21T23:30:54.263" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18432" PostId="4128" Score="1" Text="Comments are not meant for this kind of &quot;positive feedback&quot;. A comment that says only &quot;this looks OK&quot; should have been an upvote." CreationDate="2019-02-23T08:53:54.253" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18433" PostId="4128" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni ok" CreationDate="2019-02-23T09:12:55.533" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18504" PostId="4128" Score="0" Text="@PraphullaKoushik when something like this happens, I would definitively put your answer as &quot;community wiki&quot; (and say so in the first line of your answer). I'm not sure if this is the case, but some people might think you are fishing for upvotes (even if you don't care). Also they would not comment like &quot;looks good&quot; because this is not what comments are for." CreationDate="2019-03-05T13:08:06.330" UserId="18974" />
  <row Id="18416" PostId="4129" Score="5" Text="https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2528/is-there-a-problem-with-answers-clarified-in-comments-but-the-clarification-not  user 7092 says there “For example, comments are not (at least not easily) searchable and are generally deemphasized (this is even more the case on some mobile versions than on full site).”" CreationDate="2019-02-21T07:39:19.537" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18417" PostId="4129" Score="1" Text="I understand there is no one rule which works for all kinds of questions... :) :) If I **really** want to edit, I will simply ask permission from the user who answered... That is the best I can do..." CreationDate="2019-02-21T07:46:07.927" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18418" PostId="4129" Score="3" Text="BTW in the linked question it is user9072 (no 7092) - which to all old timers is familiar as quid. (The username before they decided to delete their account.)" CreationDate="2019-02-21T07:59:41.837" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18419" PostId="4129" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak yes, I heard about quid" CreationDate="2019-02-21T08:41:58.897" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18503" PostId="4129" Score="1" Text="In addition to the non-searchability of comments: They are impermanent and can be deleted at any time under far less demanding conditions than questions and answers can be.  MO very rarely does this, as most of the comments here are on-topic discussions about the mathematics/question at hand, but it remains possible that a &quot;clean up&quot; will be initiated and a lot of these comments lost.  They also cannot be down-voted, meaning you cannot trust the assessment of their worth as well as you can an answer. MO rarely has problems with this, too, but it remains an unadvised dependency on site culture." CreationDate="2019-03-05T07:41:00.407" UserId="41862" />
  <row Id="18421" PostId="4130" Score="0" Text="OK, I agree that if someone feels the current answer is a bit too mysterious, some details were hinted in the comments, and the answerer doesn't seem interested in maintaining or updating the question, adding a new answer might be appropriate. However, if the answer already there is quite well received (say, upvotes and positive comments), then one should reflect on how others see that answer to so react." CreationDate="2019-02-21T09:52:54.413" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18422" PostId="4130" Score="0" Text="Can you please tell what you mean by “then one should reflect on how others see that answer to so react”?? @DavidRoberts I understand other lines only this I don’t understand..." CreationDate="2019-02-21T11:22:17.933" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18423" PostId="4130" Score="3" Text="If others are satisfied with the answer and worth upvoting, or even giving the little tick, then this should indicate something about the quality of the answer in they eyes of other users. One should perhaps pause before writing what amounts to a page or more of detail. Sometimes these things seem important at the time, and sometimes after a little reflection it becomes clear why a short answer was completely sufficient. Or, it really wasn't obvious, and there was a trick that, once understood, made things a lot more clear. Then it might be that the trick is what is missing, not routine detail" CreationDate="2019-02-21T11:31:40.857" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18429" PostId="4130" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Please add your last comment in your answer here.... It makes so much sense... &quot;Sometimes these things seem important at the time&quot; This is precisely the reason why I write 1 page detail :) :) &quot;One should perhaps pause before writing [---]&quot; I will, from next time... :)" CreationDate="2019-02-22T15:01:45.480" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="18431" PostId="4130" Score="1" Text="@PraphullaKoushik done. And I am fully aware of the irony of the situation :-)" CreationDate="2019-02-22T23:50:45.570" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18436" PostId="4131" Score="2" Text="This was also 6 years ago, and community norms may not be the same now as then; there was a much tighter-knit group of core users regularly interacting with each other, I feel." CreationDate="2019-02-23T12:03:00.813" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18438" PostId="4131" Score="0" Text="@David Re &quot;advice&quot;, it probably depends on where in the world you live. I agree with the second comment." CreationDate="2019-02-23T13:40:16.780" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18439" PostId="4131" Score="0" Text="ah, I see. That's a new cross-Atlantic (Pacific?) difference for me :-)" CreationDate="2019-02-23T16:18:44.490" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18440" PostId="4132" Score="3" Text="I suppose you saw a [comment by François G. Dorais♦](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/194/help-improve-tagging/3399#comment14934_3399) regarding this issue in the &quot;Help improve tagging!&quot; thread. I hope he will join into this discussion - he is the moderator who most frequently deals with tag-related issues." CreationDate="2019-02-24T19:38:39.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18441" PostId="4132" Score="2" Text="It's pretty clear that [tag:convexity] should disappear and needs to be deprecated; this will happen soon regardless. That said, convexity is a very complicated case and I am looking forward to what comes out of this discussion. YCor, if you don't mind, I can add a few comments to your post (clearly labeled as from me) to help guide the discussion." CreationDate="2019-02-25T02:38:55.080" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18442" PostId="4132" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais When you mention deprecating (convexity) in your comment, do you mean simply adding into the tag-excerpt that it is deprecated (similarly as for some other tags in the past), or also blacklisting the tag - which would prevent it from being used in the new questions? See also: [The existing deprecated tags should be blacklisted](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3718)." CreationDate="2019-02-25T05:27:22.790" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18443" PostId="4132" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak The tag-excerpt option only. Blacklisting is mostly useful for repeat offenders: deprecated tags that get created over and over again. That problem is very rare on MO." CreationDate="2019-02-25T06:04:01.837" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18444" PostId="4132" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais sure, go ahead" CreationDate="2019-02-25T07:54:38.240" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18457" PostId="4132" Score="0" Text="Could we maybe make &quot;convex-polytopes&quot; a synonym for &quot;polytopes&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-02-27T20:05:25.823" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="18458" PostId="4132" Score="0" Text="Or I guess considering the number of things tagged with each tag, maybe the other way around?" CreationDate="2019-02-27T20:06:38.650" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="18459" PostId="4132" Score="0" Text="@SamHopkins it deserves a specific discussion, could you make it a question at https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/862/help-cleanup-tags ?" CreationDate="2019-02-27T20:22:48.520" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18462" PostId="4132" Score="0" Text="Sam's question is now there: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4141/14094" CreationDate="2019-02-27T20:31:10.683" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18475" PostId="4132" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais This is related closer to deprecated tags in general rather than to this specific instance - so rather than continuing here in comments, I left a bit more on this issue here: [Blacklisting (deprecated) tag while they still exist](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/blacklisting-deprecated-tag-while-they-still-exist). (Although I suppose that to some extent I am mostly repeating the things from [the older post on meta](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3718/the-existing-deprecated-tags-should-be-blacklisted).)" CreationDate="2019-03-02T06:15:50.913" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18466" PostId="4133" Score="1" Text="Since the question has been resolved, should it now be deleted?" CreationDate="2019-02-27T21:56:23.817" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21377" PostId="4136" Score="0" Text="I like it, just don't get why we need double delimiter \${}\$ instead of classic \$\$? This way it is a bit non-standard for anyone who is used to latex/mathjax." CreationDate="2019-12-18T00:22:43.267" UserId="136794" />
  <row Id="18449" PostId="4138" Score="4" Text="Why not just accept their answer? People can read their answer for themselves and vote on it separate to your question, which may receive a different number of votes, for a different reason. The only reason I would suggest updating your question with information from someone's answer is if your question needs updating, for instance if you stated something wrong, or if your question could be clarified, based on the interaction." CreationDate="2019-02-26T21:20:23.310" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18450" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="Ok, I see it's not necessary. To be clear, I've accepted the answer as helpful. I was wondering if it was inappropriate to go above-and-beyond by editing to share details from their paper relevant to my question." CreationDate="2019-02-26T21:26:18.070" UserId="123309" />
  <row Id="18451" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="If you want to expand on their answer, then check out the recent question https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4128/is-it-a-bad-practise-to-add-details-limited-to-some-ones-answer For others, [this is the question asked by the OP](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/324119/is-the-artin-spin-construction-related-to-the-suspension-functor) that is being discussed." CreationDate="2019-02-26T23:30:12.620" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18452" PostId="4138" Score="4" Text="One of the services MathOverflow can provide is a clear exposition of a key idea.  If you can relate your interpretation of the answer in a way that enlightens, that adds to the value of your post and also to the forum. If done well, it may also inspire future readers having similar questions. Of course, attribute the idea to the source, but take credit for your interpretation too.  (I recommend posting your interpretation as an answer, not as a question edit.) Gerhard &quot;We Want Everybody To Learn&quot; Paseman, 2019.02.26." CreationDate="2019-02-27T00:45:32.477" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18454" PostId="4138" Score="1" Text="It’s also fair to edit the answer, eg to highlight an example as a good entry point to reading the linked article, or to reproduce a graphic that you found useful." CreationDate="2019-02-27T16:56:29.613" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="18453" PostId="4139" Score="7" Text="Regarding your conjecture that half of the questions have no answers - if you look [at the site statistics](https://stackexchange.com/sites?view=list#science-questions), currently 74% of questions on MO are answered. (IIRC this means that they have either an answer with a positive score or an accepted answer.)" CreationDate="2019-02-27T11:02:56.620" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18455" PostId="4139" Score="0" Text="Thank you. I found out that there are other sites here. Maybe I will move to philosophy or psychology to find explanation why I get down-votes here..." CreationDate="2019-02-27T17:50:21.857" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18456" PostId="4139" Score="4" Text="There's no such thing as a &quot;subportal&quot; on MathOverflow, since to begin with MO is *not* a portal." CreationDate="2019-02-27T19:16:37.657" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18460" PostId="4139" Score="0" Text="I see. I read on wikipedia what is MathOverflow. I found opinion there, that it is &quot;almost anti-social network&quot;. On the other hand Gerhard Paseman is writing in one comment that &quot;MO is large social training exercise&quot;. I see contradiction here. Either MO is &quot;social&quot; or &quot;anti-social&quot;. You mention small technical obstacle in obtaining website with open problems. We can add one more sub-page on stackexchange. The task is to coin nice name for it." CreationDate="2019-02-27T20:28:20.907" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18469" PostId="4139" Score="4" Text="It seems unlikely that a question not receiving an answer implies that no-one knows the answer (although I think we do a pretty good job of enforcing the converse).  Also, the resolution to the apparent conflict between Wikipedia's and @GerhardPaseman's comments on MathOverflow may perhaps be suggested by the observation that Wikipedia editors are not necessarily frequent MO users, and @‍GerhardPaseman definitely is." CreationDate="2019-02-28T18:46:16.313" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="18474" PostId="4139" Score="2" Text="Questions without answers are listed in &quot;Unanswered&quot; which is accessible in the left navigation bar, at least on my desktop browser and my tablet (iPad). (I can't figure out how to see &quot;Unanswered&quot; on my phone.) No need to wait a year. ... I'm not one of the downvoters, but I wonder if some of the downvotes are because you are suggesting a feature that already exists, in fact quite prominently?" CreationDate="2019-03-02T04:02:07.153" UserId="88133" />
  <row Id="18482" PostId="4139" Score="3" Text="@LSpice There is no actual conflict between Paseman's comment and what one finds on Wikipedia. &quot;Anti-social network&quot; is quoting from an article in the Atlantic, actually a sympathetic portrayal of MO when it was about one year old, and the phrase was meant to suggest a refreshing contrast to &quot;social&quot; networks like FB (Twitter, Reddit, etc.) with their unending discussions, subthreads, arguments, etc." CreationDate="2019-03-03T22:18:53.213" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18489" PostId="4139" Score="0" Text="@ZachTeitler OK, we can see unanswered questions. Still there is difference between &quot;unanswered MO question&quot;, &quot;open problem&quot;, &quot;conjecture&quot;. I will not elaborate on the differences. Therefore it would be useful to have dedicated page for &quot;open problems&quot; and &quot;conjectures&quot;. Open Problem Garden is maybe good one but it seems there is very little traffic there (note 6 problems in Algebra). On MO there are 37 new questions each day added. It will be much more convenient to work on the same page with open problems." CreationDate="2019-03-04T10:34:15.283" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18697" PostId="4139" Score="0" Text="If we had such a subportal for impossible questions, then I suggest calling that site MathOverOverflow (MOO) and having that site be cow themed." CreationDate="2019-03-31T14:51:18.040" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18700" PostId="4139" Score="0" Text="@JosephVanName How about MathSurplus ?" CreationDate="2019-03-31T20:36:42.457" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18701" PostId="4139" Score="0" Text="@MarekMitros. The abbreviation MathSurplus will be for MS students and people who have MS degrees in math rather than Ph.D.'s." CreationDate="2019-03-31T20:55:05.693" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18705" PostId="4139" Score="0" Text="@JosephVanName Do you think that people with PhD use different language than the others ? It is kind of funny believe and beyond reality." CreationDate="2019-04-01T06:18:47.280" UserDisplayName="user21230" />
  <row Id="18461" PostId="4141" Score="1" Text="Occurrences at this date: [tag:polytopes]: 36; [tag:convex-polytopes]: 608; [tag:polyhedra]: 151." CreationDate="2019-02-27T20:29:31.437" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18463" PostId="4141" Score="0" Text="One problem is that technically speaking, questions about non-convex polytopes do not fit in [tag:convex-polytopes]. Other remark: it seems at first sight that most questions in [tag:polytopes] are concerned with convex polytopes, and so do most in [tag:polyhedra]. (...)" CreationDate="2019-02-27T20:34:43.700" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18464" PostId="4141" Score="1" Text="Hence, I would be inclined to make a single tag, named polyhedra for instance, or polytopes, or polyhedra-and-polytopes. With usage guidance, for instance &quot;*Polyhedra, polytopes, polyhedral cones, etc. Can be used in combination with* [tag:convex-geometry]. **Convex polytopes are the convex hulls of a finite set of points in Euclidean spaces. They have rich combinatorial, arithmetic, and metrical theory, and are related to toric varieties and to linear programming.**&quot; (The sentence in boldface is the current usage guidance for [tag:convex-geometry].)" CreationDate="2019-02-27T20:36:18.647" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18467" PostId="4141" Score="1" Text="I'm not sold on this. That a tag is little used is not a reason for it to be deleted. In this case, what is worth fixing is the confusing overlap. There are two approaches to fix this: put everything in the more general polytope, or create a new more specific tag about non-convex polytopes for the few questions that don't fit the convex polytope tag. I'd like to hear more about about what users of these tags think regarding these two options." CreationDate="2019-02-27T23:20:32.873" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18478" PostId="4141" Score="0" Text="(Typo in my previous comment: the sentence in boldface is the current usage guidance for [tag:convex-polytopes], not for [tag:convex-geometry]. Sorry for the additional noise.)" CreationDate="2019-03-02T15:46:42.687" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18481" PostId="4142" Score="1" Text="Since this is a bug in GMail, you should report it to the GMail developers." CreationDate="2019-03-03T18:17:58.023" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="18493" PostId="4142" Score="0" Text="What exactly do you expect MO to do about this?" CreationDate="2019-03-04T15:58:48.230" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="18494" PostId="4142" Score="1" Text="@NajibIdrissi modify the `cite` button to make the resulting link more robust." CreationDate="2019-03-04T16:21:06.787" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="18526" PostId="4142" Score="0" Text="I will add link to the related post on TeX Stack Exchange: [Gmail built in pdf viewer omits last symbol in an url, any idea why?](https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/477356)" CreationDate="2019-03-12T06:29:23.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18477" PostId="4143" Score="0" Text="For context: [tag:locally-presentable-categories]: 14 questions; [tag:presentable-categories]: 10 questions." CreationDate="2019-03-02T15:44:37.277" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18590" PostId="4143" Score="0" Text="It is probably the synonym mentioned in this answer was proposed and users with sufficient score in the tag can [vote for (or against) this synonym](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/locally-presentable-categories/synonyms). (The synonym needs score 4 to be approved.)" CreationDate="2019-03-16T23:52:38.893" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18485" PostId="4146" Score="2" Text="It's not a bug, it's a feature that protects you from using the chat... :P" CreationDate="2019-03-04T07:49:55.030" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18486" PostId="4146" Score="1" Text="Also, have you tried running a different browser, a safe-mode browser (i.e. without extensions such as adblockers or so) or a different computer?" CreationDate="2019-03-04T07:50:38.407" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18495" PostId="4147" Score="1" Text="Re: *More generally, I'd propose to systematically rename each tag reduced to initials.*  Several suggestion on expanding tags to longer names are [collected in this answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/862/help-cleanup-tags/3340#3340) - moest of those have already been done." CreationDate="2019-03-04T17:41:02.073" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18496" PostId="4147" Score="3" Text="BTW I have [pinged the tag creators](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2019/3/4) of those two tags - in case they have something to add to this discussion." CreationDate="2019-03-04T17:50:50.353" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18507" PostId="4147" Score="0" Text="About acronym tags, I always thought that [meta-tag:tags] stands for &quot;Tags And General Stuff&quot;." CreationDate="2019-03-05T18:14:24.683" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18512" PostId="4147" Score="1" Text="I created the QCQP tag. I do not see how it makes any sense to make QCQP and QP synonyms. They are very different. The feasible region of a QP is a convex polytope or an affine space. The feasible region of a QCQP can be a finite set of points. However, I agree that &quot;qcqp&quot; is not easy to find and I would certainly not object to renaming it &quot;qc-quadratic-programming&quot; (if the tag is not too long for MO)." CreationDate="2019-03-10T11:27:53.010" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="18513" PostId="4147" Score="0" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo thanks; I edited accordingly." CreationDate="2019-03-10T11:37:01.133" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18658" PostId="4147" Score="0" Text="This is a tough one. A priori, I think it's a bad idea to shorten the first word to just &quot;q&quot;; I'd rather have the second, third or later words abbreviated since it's hard to imagine anyone would want to autocomplete &quot;q-&quot; this way. @RodrigodeAzevedo any thoughts?" CreationDate="2019-03-28T03:48:30.277" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="21722" PostId="4147" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Much belatedly, how about &quot;quadratically-constrained-qp&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-03-28T09:33:05.597" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="21723" PostId="4147" Score="0" Text="Or &quot;quadradrically-constrained-quad-prog&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-03-28T10:03:14.960" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18508" PostId="4148" Score="0" Text="Makes sense but, to play devil's advocate, is there any general confusion going on? Yes, magma is also a math term but this is only one." CreationDate="2019-03-07T00:50:43.863" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18509" PostId="4148" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais &quot;gap&quot; is a math term (&quot;spectral gap&quot;, &quot;gap between primes&quot;). But I didn't talk of confusion. It would be an improvement because &quot;coq-software&quot; would make the meaning of the tag transparent also to people who never heard of coq, and because of another reason I already wrote." CreationDate="2019-03-07T00:54:50.807" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18510" PostId="4148" Score="0" Text="I hear that and it makes sense to me. I'm inclined to go ahead but I'll let is sit for a few days in case a counterargument comes up." CreationDate="2019-03-07T00:56:55.157" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18511" PostId="4151" Score="1" Text="How does this look like on a longer timescale -- say, the last several years?" CreationDate="2019-03-10T09:40:13.507" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="18514" PostId="4151" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl: The traffic data cannot be extended much beyond a year, so instead I added posts data." CreationDate="2019-03-10T13:26:57.253" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="18515" PostId="4151" Score="1" Text="Thank you. -- I think the post data confirms the &quot;healthy steady-state&quot; you already observed before." CreationDate="2019-03-10T17:39:17.180" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="18519" PostId="4151" Score="3" Text="This may seem reassuring, but it would be better to track number of active users.  We have some who are very frequent posters; remove their contributions from the data, and you may see a very different picture.  I think we should not let this picture lead us to doing less recruiting.  Gerhard &quot;Think Of The Future Readers&quot; Paseman, 2019.03.10." CreationDate="2019-03-10T21:15:00.417" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18525" PostId="4151" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman If you want stats such similar to &quot;number of users with at least one post in given month&quot; (or some other kind of activity), a suitable tool for this is [Data Explorer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info). (Some basic knowledge of SQL is needed to be able to created queries.)" CreationDate="2019-03-11T18:32:14.500" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18527" PostId="4151" Score="5" Text="Who knew: mathoverflow users are actual humans!" CreationDate="2019-03-12T08:44:44.253" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="18522" PostId="4152" Score="0" Text="It seems that users can still see deleted rooms if they have 10k+ networkwide reputation - judging from the answers to: [Cannot see chat room transcript while another user can](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/288603) and [Is there a list of SE chat privileges, and the minimum reputation required for those privileges?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/87761)" CreationDate="2019-03-11T04:30:39.517" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18523" PostId="4152" Score="3" Text="I think chat is anyway not a good place for a discussion on a particular post. In my opinion, such discussion should always be in the comments below the corresponding post. Rather than suggesting to move the discussion to chat, it would seem reasonable to me if the SE software would instead remind to polish the discussion afterwards (i.e. delete comments which are not interesting for future readers, etc.). Besides -- when I see the suggestion to move a discussion to chat, it usually either makes me stop it, or if it is sufficiently important, to continue it off-site (e.g. via email etc.)." CreationDate="2019-03-11T11:29:09.143" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="18524" PostId="4152" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Comments are really inconvenient to use if the discussion goes beyond 3-4 comments, chat has features like clearly indicating which message you 're replying to, possibility to embed images etc. which are useful. *Ideally* all discussions on a post would be quick and on point, but we're not living in an ideal world." CreationDate="2019-03-11T17:22:17.153" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="18516" PostId="4153" Score="0" Text="Thank you! I guess the fact that it said only 8 days after the discussion &quot;This room has been automatically deleted for inactivity&quot; really does not sound very serious ... In any case, there is quite a gap between 6 messages (when the system starts suggesting to move the discussion) and 15 (when the discussion is considered worthy to survive) which should be bridged..." CreationDate="2019-03-10T19:28:38.613" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="18517" PostId="4153" Score="1" Text="@Wolfgang Yeah, I totally agree. I hope terdon's post on meta.SE produces some results (although with the usual reaction times of SE I wouldn't hold my breath). In any case, if anyone has the same problem, feel free to ping me and I'll fix it if I can." CreationDate="2019-03-10T19:31:56.647" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="18518" PostId="4153" Score="3" Text="@Wolfgang Note also that when the discussion is between three or more people the system suggests to move it to a chatroom much later, so that this problem is relatively rare. But it does happen, and it should be fixed." CreationDate="2019-03-10T19:36:43.973" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="18520" PostId="4153" Score="0" Text="Actually I thought that even if a room is deleted (i.e., no longer shown among active room) it can still be accessed. Here are some examples of deleted rooms, where I can still see transcript: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/79123 or https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/90405 (And if you display [rooms associated with MO](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms?tab=site&amp;sort=active&amp;page=1&amp;nohide=true&amp;host=mathoverflow.net) and choose &quot;show frozen/deleted rooms&quot;, you can find other such rooms.)" CreationDate="2019-03-11T04:23:00.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18521" PostId="4153" Score="1" Text="Oh, now I see - this probably depends on reputation (a user needs 10k+ networkwide to see deleted rooms): [Cannot see chat room transcript while another user can](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/288603). (And also:[Is there a list of SE chat privileges, and the minimum reputation required for those privileges?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/87761))" CreationDate="2019-03-11T04:29:53.683" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18528" PostId="4154" Score="2" Text="&quot;small uncountable cardinals&quot; yields 100 answers when typed **without** quotation marks. This means questions in which each word occurs in the thread... The number of questions about small uncountable cardinals is smaller." CreationDate="2019-03-12T11:46:54.227" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18529" PostId="4154" Score="1" Text="@YCore To be precise, it shows up 4+4=8 results for &quot;small uncountable cardinal&quot; and &quot;small uncountable cardinals&quot;, indeed many of those 100 results do not relate to small uncountable cardinals." CreationDate="2019-03-12T11:49:26.200" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18530" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="@YCor To me a more reasonable estimate seems to be by checking the posts about specific cardinal, for example [there are 22 questions in tag (set-theory) mentioning $\mathfrak p$](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=%22mathfrak+p%22+%5Bset-theory%5D+is:q), most of them use this symbol in the sense of cardinal $\mathfrak p$. (There are a few more links [in the original post](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/194/help-improve-tagging/3405#3405), perhaps I should have restricted them to questions.)" CreationDate="2019-03-12T12:01:40.523" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18533" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="Since I see that you were criticized on the main site for bumping several old posts, I will add a link to this older discussion: [Do we have an unofficial quota on how many old questions one should bump for minor edits in a single day?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/599) (Several of the [questions linked there](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/599) and [questions tagged bumping](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/bumping) are about similar problems.) Sorry for the digression - this is not directly related to the creation of the new tag." CreationDate="2019-03-12T12:16:08.430" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18534" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I have check for $\mathfrak b$, $\mathfrak p$, $\mathfrak d$, &quot;cardinal characteristic of the continuus&quot;, indeed, there more-or-less 100 post mentioning these cardinal charactistics in the proper sense. 874 poset mention $\mathfrak p$ but many of them in the different sense (line prime ideals etc)" CreationDate="2019-03-12T12:19:47.740" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18540" PostId="4154" Score="1" Text="There is a separate question about the [tag:infinite-combinatorics].  I would be OK with this being a broad tag that covers both Ramsey-type infinite combinatorics along with set-theoretic combinatorics and cardinal invariants. There's no tag wiki at this point - do other people have thoughts on what this tag should cover?" CreationDate="2019-03-12T15:13:28.523" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="18541" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="Yes  &quot;infinite-combinatorics&quot; is a broader field which (almost) swallows &quot;small-uncountable-cardinals&quot; and contains a lot of other things. For me &quot;small-uncountable-cardinals&quot; are synonyms to &quot;cardinal characteristics of the continuum&quot;." CreationDate="2019-03-12T16:30:12.240" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18543" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="&quot;Infinite-combinatorics&quot; would rather describe methods where &quot;small-uncountable-cardinals&quot; -- objects." CreationDate="2019-03-12T16:37:46.163" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18544" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="@Taras Banakh - I would also include combinatorics on $\omega$, such as Hindman's theorem and Szemerédi's theorem, which have a different flavor from cardinal characteristics." CreationDate="2019-03-12T17:52:34.370" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="18548" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="@CarlMummert please could you link to that separate question about [tag:infinite-combinatorics]?" CreationDate="2019-03-12T20:41:30.860" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18556" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="@YCor: I'm sorry - I just meant it is another issue related to the topic here" CreationDate="2019-03-12T21:14:59.743" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="18557" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="@CarlMummert OK I see; however my belief is that it's not just a separate discussion, because the benefit of a tag depends on the closely related tags." CreationDate="2019-03-12T21:17:25.440" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18585" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="Andrés Caicedo has removed [tag:small-uncountable-cardinals] from https://mathoverflow.net/questions/40686/ &quot;variants of Martin's axiom at $\omega_1$&quot;. I would like to know participants' opinion about this." CreationDate="2019-03-16T17:13:10.160" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18586" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="@YCor Yes, I think that that  post (about MA) do not fit very well to &quot;small-uncountable-cardinals&quot; because there is such cardinals in this question." CreationDate="2019-03-16T22:38:04.770" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18587" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="@TarasBanakh do you mean &quot;*because there is* **no** *such cardinals*&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-03-16T22:40:12.487" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18588" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="@YCor Oh sorry for this misprint. I had in mind &quot;no&quot;." CreationDate="2019-03-16T22:41:52.520" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="20621" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="The tag ([tag:cardinal-characteristics]) was created in July 2019. I have pinged one of the moderators [back then](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/the-tag-cardinal-characteristics) and [once again today](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/the-tag-cardinal-characteristics-2) to ask what are the plans with the two tags." CreationDate="2019-08-02T11:49:05.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21420" PostId="4154" Score="0" Text="The tag (small-uncountable-cardinals) is now gone - I have replaced it by (cardinal-characteristics) in all remaining questions: https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/removal-of-small-uncoutable-cardinals" CreationDate="2020-01-02T05:13:20.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18545" PostId="4156" Score="0" Text="There are two things in [tag:small-uncountable-tags] that would be unclear in a [tag:cardinal-characteristics]: first, it would encompass large cardinals, and there's already the tag [tag:large-cardinals] which is much bigger than the previous two ones (currently 498 questions). Second, it might be misused for counting problems finite combinatorics." CreationDate="2019-03-12T20:04:24.450" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18546" PostId="4156" Score="1" Text="I am confused by this comment. Why would one think that small uncountable cardinals is meant to encompass large cardinals? It is the same confusion I feel when reading your proposal. The tag CH is certainly not meant to encompass situations where CH fails." CreationDate="2019-03-12T20:34:07.397" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18547" PostId="4156" Score="0" Text="It seems I was confused by your answer, and thought you suggested [tag:cardinal-characteristics] as better than [tag:small-uncountable-cardinals]. If you think that creating [tag:small-uncountable-cardinals] is a good idea, maybe it would have been a good starting point." CreationDate="2019-03-12T20:39:10.253" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18549" PostId="4156" Score="2" Text="@YCor No, I think that &quot;small countable cardinals&quot; is too vague in scope to be useful. Cardinal characteristics are specific objects and the examples suggested by Taras seem all to be about them." CreationDate="2019-03-12T20:51:04.093" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18550" PostId="4156" Score="0" Text="OK, so I maintain my previous comment: [tag:cardinal-characteristics] would encompass the quite broad [tag:large-cardinals] and this is at odds with the given proposal, if I understand correctly." CreationDate="2019-03-12T20:55:18.097" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18551" PostId="4156" Score="2" Text="@YCor No, that sounds crazy. &quot;Cardinal characteristic&quot; is a specific thing with specific meaning. &quot;Large cardinals&quot; means something else. It is like saying that a tag &quot;Euclidean geometry&quot; would encompass &quot;Artificial intelligence&quot;." CreationDate="2019-03-12T20:57:05.380" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18552" PostId="4156" Score="1" Text="I'm thinking of &quot;characteristic&quot; in the vulgar sense, in the same way as &quot;cardinal features&quot;. What is meant by cardinal characteristics? Anyway, if there's a precise sense and my &quot;vulgar&quot; interpretation is mistaken, I guess others will do the same mistake too." CreationDate="2019-03-12T20:58:59.577" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18553" PostId="4156" Score="3" Text="@YCor Not the people for which the tag is intended. Yes, we get questions on this site about &quot;algebraic geometry&quot; which are really about finding the equation of a line going through two points whose coordinates are given. This does not mean &quot;algebraic geometry&quot; is a useless tag. Classically, [cardinal characteristics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_characteristic_of_the_continuum) or cardinal invariants are cardinals $\kappa$ whose definition implies $\aleph_0&lt;\kappa\le 2^{\aleph_0}$. In practice, they are defined in terms of combinatorial properties." CreationDate="2019-03-12T21:08:01.920" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18554" PostId="4156" Score="0" Text="Got it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_characteristic_of_the_continuum. This will lead anyway, to numerous confusions. I also thought of algebraic geometry, but you probably know that algebraic geometry is by far a broader, more important and older subject, and a whole subfield of math." CreationDate="2019-03-12T21:08:04.763" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18555" PostId="4156" Score="1" Text="@YCor For instance, $\mathfrak b$, the unbounded number, is the least cardinality of an unbounded subset of $\mathbb N^{\mathbb N}$ under the relation $f\le^* g\Longleftrightarrow \exists n\,\forall m&gt;n\, f(m)\le g(m)$." CreationDate="2019-03-12T21:08:21.777" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18558" PostId="4156" Score="0" Text="_Yes, we get questions on this site about &quot;algebraic geometry&quot; which are really_ &lt;--- like questions at the level of elementary undergrad proofs which are tagged [formal-proof]..." CreationDate="2019-03-13T05:35:06.963" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="18568" PostId="4156" Score="1" Text="I have to take your word for it that the experts on set theory prefer &quot;cardinal characteristics&quot; to &quot;small uncountable cardinals&quot; but I don't understand it. Why &quot;characteristics&quot;? What does this use of &quot;characteristics&quot; have to do with any other mathematical or non-mathematical use of the word? At least the meaning of &quot;small uncountable cardinals&quot; is related in an obvious way to the meanings of the three words. (Historically I guess it comes from Hechler's 1972 paper &quot;A dozen small uncountable cardinals&quot;.) Of course it's not clear from the words &quot;small uncountable cardinals&quot; that &quot;small&quot; means" CreationDate="2019-03-14T09:25:08.057" UserId="43266" />
  <row Id="18569" PostId="4156" Score="1" Text="precisely $\le\mathfrak c$. On the other hand, from the words &quot;cardinal characteristics&quot; it's not clear to us people in the street that it's not about cardinal invariants of topological spaces, or Boolean algebras, or Abelian groups, or anything at all." CreationDate="2019-03-14T09:27:04.843" UserId="43266" />
  <row Id="18559" PostId="4157" Score="0" Text="Thank you for supporting the idea of introducing the tag &quot;small-uncountable cardinals&quot;. Concerning the boundary between small and large cardinals is very precise: the existence of small cardinals follows from ZFC whereas the existence of large cardinals (starting with strong inaccessible) is a stronger assumption than the consistency of ZFC. More precisely this is a boundary between large cardinals and non-large. The boundary between small and non-small is $\mathfrak c$, the cardinality of continuum." CreationDate="2019-03-13T11:19:48.683" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18560" PostId="4157" Score="0" Text="So, up to my understanding of the realm of uncountable cardinals it can be divided into three categories: &quot;small&quot; (those in the interval $[\omega_1,\mathfrak c]$, &quot;intermediate&quot; (larger than $\mathfrak c$ but existing in ZFC, and finally &quot;large&quot; -- which do not necessarily exist in ZFC." CreationDate="2019-03-13T11:21:20.140" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18561" PostId="4157" Score="0" Text="@TarasBanakh I meant &quot;strongly inaccessible&quot; in my post (this is what I learnt as &quot;inaccessible&quot;). But the interval $[...,c]$ is a bad interval for defining a tag, since $\aleph_2$ or $2^{\aleph_1}$ would be small in some models and not small in others. Also I don't think the categories in $[c,q[$, for $q$ the smallest strongly inaccessible (if it exists) deserves to be considered separately. I don't think there a common accepted definition of &quot;small&quot; and I think it's better this way." CreationDate="2019-03-13T11:22:45.573" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18562" PostId="4157" Score="1" Text="&quot;infinite-combinatorics&quot; descibes rather methods  and results involving combiknatorial properties of infinite sets. It is situated somewhere in the union of Set Theory and Combinatorics. Eventually this tag also can be created to point at the essense of a problem (which concerns combinatorial properties of infinite sets)." CreationDate="2019-03-13T11:26:53.680" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18563" PostId="4157" Score="1" Text="@YCore Anyway &quot;small&quot; relates to cardinalities of objects appearing in Classical Matehmatics: not very far from the continuum. If you try to label each natural mathematical object with its complexity in the Comulative Hierarchy of the Universum, you will discover that the most difficult objects of Functional Analysis and Differential Equations (like functions spaces of spaces of operators) have complexity not more $\omega+13$ (maybe $\omega+15$). Which means that the cardinality of such natural objects is at most $\beth_{15}$. This can be informally considered as the realm of small cardinals." CreationDate="2019-03-13T11:31:43.437" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18564" PostId="4157" Score="1" Text="@TarasBanakh Great, I've created a short usage guidance for [tag:infinite-combinatorics], which will hopefully be improved by better acquainted users." CreationDate="2019-03-13T11:33:06.600" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18565" PostId="4157" Score="0" Text="Very good. It is also correspond to my understanding what it is." CreationDate="2019-03-13T11:34:26.747" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18566" PostId="4157" Score="1" Text="@TarasBanakh great, I agree with you're last comment (on &quot;small&quot;) — btw sorry readers for the double superposed discussion :)" CreationDate="2019-03-13T11:34:57.167" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18567" PostId="4157" Score="0" Text="@TarasBanakh I created a usage guidance to the new tag, it's great if you have a look." CreationDate="2019-03-13T22:42:00.080" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18570" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="There are many people around here who are much more qualified to comment on the content of these tags than me. But I have tried to make at least some initial suggestions to get the process started. (If we want the community to create some description for these tags, it is probably easier to do on meta - where people can leave comments. Moreover, for the tags which don't exists yet, there is not tag-info which could be edited." CreationDate="2019-03-14T13:08:36.447" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18571" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="It is possible that as the outcome of this discussion there will be a separate tag for cardinal characteristics of continuum. A natural question is whether in such case - if such tag is indeed created - instead of mentioning this as a topic which should fall under (infinite-combinatorics) the tag-info should say that there is a separate tag for such questions." CreationDate="2019-03-14T14:20:31.000" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18572" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="I added some potential tag info for the last suggestion." CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:15:38.857" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18573" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="Thanks for doing that @AndrésE.Caicedo. I hope this helps clarifying the indented scope of this tag. (It goes without saying that you should feel free to edit also the proposals for other tag-infos if you have some suggestions - these are definitely topics about which you know a lot more than I do.)" CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:20:09.680" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18574" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="OK, I added some additional information regarding the first tag (the tag info from the sister site)." CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:28:52.123" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18575" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="What about two or three more closely related tags to add some entropy?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T22:15:42.450" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18576" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="@YCor Sorry, but I do not understand your comment. Nobody is proposing creation of several tags. The way I see it, this discussion might end up with some of the possibilities; A) No new tag is created, the tag-info for (infinite-combinatorics) is improved. B) A new tag called (small-uncountable-cardinals) is created. C) A new tag called (cardinal-characteristics) is created. (In either of the cases, at most *one* new tag is created.)" CreationDate="2019-03-15T01:41:55.297" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18577" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="@AndrésE.Caicedo So if I understand it correctly, based on the suggested tag-info ([current revision](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4158/7)), the proposed (cardinal-characteristics) tag would be much wider than (small-uncountable-cardinals) and it would include various [cardinal functions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_function). So, for example, questions about tightness or weight of a topological space or questions about cellularity of a Boolean algebra would fit under this tag. Is that fair representation of the proposed (cardinal-charcteristics) tag?" CreationDate="2019-03-15T02:18:47.353" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18578" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="I think so, sure. Or we could just call it cardinal-characteristics-of-the-continuum or cardinal-invariants-of-the-continuum if limiting the scope is important. In any case my point is that deciding that &quot;small uncountable&quot; means of size at most continuum does not make it so (and it is meaningless. Would the tag be applicable to a question about $\omega_4$, or only if we add the silly extra clause that the continuum is larger?), and saying that the scope of a &quot;small-uncountable-cardinals&quot; tag is precisely &quot;cardinal-characteristics-of-the-continuum&quot; is silly, better to use  proper terminology." CreationDate="2019-03-15T03:01:08.510" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18579" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="@AndrésE.Caicedo A minor problem with (cardinal-characteristics-of-the-continuum) is that it runs above 35 characters limit. In any case, thanks for clarifications on what the tag you're proposing encompasses. (Let's hope there will be some feedback from other users to see what they think about the proposals made in the question and the answers posted so far.)" CreationDate="2019-03-15T03:05:53.823" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18580" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak indeed, my misunderstanding. Thanks for your effort to settle the question." CreationDate="2019-03-15T08:02:26.710" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18581" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="I made a tweak to infinite-combinatorics; I think &quot;Ramsey theory&quot; has a different connotation in the countable case than the uncountable case, because the way the theorem is generalized is different (e.g. additive combinatorics vs. combinatorial set theory)" CreationDate="2019-03-16T13:40:46.937" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="18582" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your edit @Carl Mummert. The purpose of this post is precisely that - to get some input on what should be in the tag-info and perhaps eventually - maybe after one or two weeks - when new feedback is being added - edit this into the actual tag-wiki for (infinite-combinatorics). (And also for some of the other tags - if the outcome of the discussion here is that they should be created.)" CreationDate="2019-03-16T13:51:37.447" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18583" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="Hmm -  I had gone ahead and copied the draft from here to there, since having it empty seemed suboptimal. Maybe that was too fast.  I do think changes from here should be copied over again as this is updated." CreationDate="2019-03-16T13:53:44.640" UserId="5442" />
  <row Id="18584" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="@Carl Mummert I don't think that there is any problem with that. As you say, if other users suggest further changes, the tag-wiki can be edited again." CreationDate="2019-03-16T13:57:49.637" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18679" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="@AndrésE.Caicedo I have [created the tag-wiki](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/325394/revisions) for (small-uncountable-cardinals) based on the above suggestion. I'll leave it up to you whether you want to add also the part about $\mathfrak b(\kappa)$. I am not sure to which extent this discussion should be considered resolved - I have also [asked moderators about this](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2019/3/30)." CreationDate="2019-03-30T06:56:35.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20622" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="@AndrésE.Caicedo Since the tag ([tag:cardinal-characteristics]) was created, I have added a tag-wiki. (The wording follows your suggestion.) Anyway, do not hesitate to edit it further if needed. Having two tags with very similar meaning is definitely not optimal, I have [pinged the mods](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/the-tag-cardinal-characteristics-2) to ask what are their plans with these tags." CreationDate="2019-08-02T11:49:58.473" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18589" PostId="4159" Score="0" Text="Actually [tag:kahler-geometry] and [tag:hyperkahler-geometry] would be even better, since it's more suitable for both considering (hyper)Kähler manifolds, or (hyper)Kähler metrics on a given manifold..." CreationDate="2019-03-16T23:02:55.627" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18591" PostId="4160" Score="1" Text="So about 1000 &quot;active users.&quot; The posts-graph seems to show a slow decline over the years, but the comments-graph is holding steady." CreationDate="2019-03-17T11:03:39.440" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="18596" PostId="4160" Score="2" Text="Of course, it is possible to run the same queries also on meta: [posts](https://data.stackexchange.com/meta.mathoverflow/query/1007915/number-of-users-with-at-least-one-post-monthly#graph), [comments](https://data.stackexchange.com/meta.mathoverflow/query/1007919/numer-of-users-with-at-least-on-comment-per-month#graph)." CreationDate="2019-03-20T01:43:08.877" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18606" PostId="4160" Score="0" Text="Martin, can you please interpret, say, the meta-posts graph? That is about 20 per [what]? Per week, per month, per ... ?" CreationDate="2019-03-23T01:07:17.903" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="18607" PostId="4160" Score="2" Text="@JosephO'Rourke It is exactly the same - the number of users with at least one post (comment) in a given month. If you switch to the tag with the result set (rather then the graph), you can see the results in the format where numbers are shown together with the corresponding month (and you can also see the SQL query there)." CreationDate="2019-03-23T01:39:49.247" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18608" PostId="4160" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Martin. Your mastery of this and other details contributes much to Meta." CreationDate="2019-03-23T01:44:04.533" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="18594" PostId="4161" Score="0" Text="here is the revision script: https://cdn.sstatic.net/Js/revisions.en.js" CreationDate="2019-03-19T20:35:57.087" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="18595" PostId="4161" Score="0" Text="I found this question on Meta Stack Exchange, although I am not sure the answers there are satisfactory: [What revision library does stackoverflow use?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/24313)" CreationDate="2019-03-20T01:32:09.663" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18657" PostId="4162" Score="0" Text="Do you have a good deprecation message to suggest?" CreationDate="2019-03-28T03:43:13.560" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18659" PostId="4162" Score="0" Text="I will just point out that your second paragraphs suggests that the tag would help find posts which are *about* continuity - as opposed to finding posts where continuity is merely mentioned. (Of course, only if the tag was actually used consistently. I have expanded this a bit [here in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/usefulness-of-tag-vs-frequency-of-keyword).) This is intended more as a general remark - I do not have strong opinion about this specific tag on MathOverflow in either direction." CreationDate="2019-03-28T05:21:31.067" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18661" PostId="4162" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais By &quot;deprecation message&quot; you mean the [tag warning](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2798/tag-warnings-on-mo) which would be displayed when somebody attempts to use the tag?" CreationDate="2019-03-28T07:59:22.263" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18662" PostId="4162" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak having a quick look at the 50 first questions tagged [tag:continuity], I'd say that at most 5 discuss continuity as a concept. And 5 is an upper bound, there's not a single one for which I'm sure it qualifies (an example which qualifies, but is not tagged [tag:continuity]: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/182300/scott-continuity-sub-additivity)." CreationDate="2019-03-28T08:08:42.127" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18663" PostId="4162" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais *Deprecated; do NOT use this tag. Instead you could consider real-analysis, gn.general-topology, fa.functional-analysis or related tags*." CreationDate="2019-03-28T08:10:25.387" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18610" PostId="4163" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson  what do you mean by &quot;which&quot;?They are disapeared so I can not show you the link." CreationDate="2019-03-23T02:01:13.177" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="18611" PostId="4163" Score="1" Text="I'd guess that ([meta-tag:support]) might be a more suitable tag that ([meta-tag:discussion]). (If I understood your question correctly, you're asking for help in finding the missing questions on the main. If I misunderstood your question, perhaps you should clarify what you want to discuss.)" CreationDate="2019-03-23T02:29:09.920" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18618" PostId="4163" Score="1" Text="I thought (if they were recent questions) that you might remember the *titles*, Ali. No matter, now that @Martin has found them." CreationDate="2019-03-23T04:14:20.130" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18619" PostId="4163" Score="2" Text="If the three questions were downvoted three or four days ago, they should show up on the reputation tab or your user page (or maybe that doesn't apply to deleted questions?). If it turns out they were all downvoted in a brief interval, and by the same user (and the moderators should be able to tell), then the moderators can take action against the miscreant. I'd suggest flagging some other question of yours for moderator attention, explaining the situation, and seeing what they think." CreationDate="2019-03-23T04:32:35.983" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18620" PostId="4163" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson  You have to check &quot;show removed posts&quot; in [your reputation tab](https://mathoverflow.net/users/current?tab=reputation) to see changes from deleted posts. I thought that this works only for 10k+ users, But now when I am [reading the documentation](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/139614/how-do-i-read-the-history-of-my-reputation/139615#139615) it does not seem to be the case: &quot;When a post gets deleted, the question's title will be shown in plain text unless you are able to view the deleted post (10K users or the question owner).&quot;" CreationDate="2019-03-23T07:02:07.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18621" PostId="4163" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson Maybe we could wait a bit whether the OP confirms that they can find the questions in the way suggested in your comment. But your solution is definitely much simpler that what I suggested - so probably you should post that as an answer. (I will just add to your comment that in the reputation tab the OP should be able see also the increase of the reputation after the question's were deleted, not only the decrease for the downvotes. As I've mentioned I am not entirely sure what are differences here between users above 10k and below 10k.)" CreationDate="2019-03-23T07:05:05.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18630" PostId="4163" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson  no they  were not recent. As you  said, fortunately Martin helped me  to  find them. Thank you for your  attention.I hope  I reopen at least two of them." CreationDate="2019-03-23T20:01:02.870" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="18633" PostId="4163" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson  Thanks  again  for  your  attention to my  problem.  Now the three questions  appeared in  MO. with my  best regards to you." CreationDate="2019-03-24T21:08:02.947" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="18612" PostId="4164" Score="2" Text="Yes, it appears the three of them were [automatically deleted](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba)." CreationDate="2019-03-23T02:32:34.533" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18622" PostId="4164" Score="0" Text="Thank  you very much for your answer and your kind attention to my problem" CreationDate="2019-03-23T12:23:53.247" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="18623" PostId="4164" Score="1" Text="@AliTaghavi I would be grateful if you could check whether you can find them in [your reputation tab](https://mathoverflow.net/users/current?tab=reputation) - as suggested by Gerry Myerson. (The checkbox called &quot;show removed posts&quot; should be checked.) That would be much easier way to find them - and information whether this really works could help other users who might have the same problem in the future." CreationDate="2019-03-23T12:26:48.667" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18624" PostId="4164" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer and your attention to my problem.Yes  the downvotes was in brief time. Moreover the questions had  interesting comments by  some participant. Now I can access my  question by clicking on the links you kindly provided.  But the second question had another title &quot;a differential operator associated with a vector field on torous&quot;" CreationDate="2019-03-23T12:27:30.180" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="18625" PostId="4164" Score="1" Text="I checked &quot;show remove box&quot; I can find the titles of these three &quot;removed&quot; question . But the content of these questions are not available.  As O said above, I can access the question in the linked you provided. I would like to  say again that the down vote was in brief time. I clicked on the linked you provide and &quot; undeleted&quot; it but it is written &quot; we need more 4 vote to reopen&quot;. I do not know whether other participant  access these questions for a possible vote to reopen." CreationDate="2019-03-23T12:41:21.760" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="18626" PostId="4164" Score="0" Text="I copy paste  2 questions of these 3 and i presented them in mse. I would like to say again that these questio s has intetesting comments." CreationDate="2019-03-23T12:44:45.373" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="18627" PostId="4164" Score="1" Text="Sorry for the incorrect title. (I have edited it now.) Probably I have copied a title of a different question from the results of the query by mistake." CreationDate="2019-03-23T12:59:40.720" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18628" PostId="4164" Score="1" Text="@AliTaghavi I am a bit surprised that in the reputation tab you can see the titles and not the links. I expected the owner of the post to be able to get to the post in question. (I have already quoted the relevant part of the network-wide FAQ under your post: [How do I read the history of my reputation?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/139614#139615) &quot;When a post gets deleted, the question's title will be shown in plain text unless you are able to view the deleted post (10K users or the question owner).&quot;)" CreationDate="2019-03-23T13:25:35.870" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18629" PostId="4164" Score="3" Text="In face, I have posted a bug report on Meta Stack Exchange: [Why the OP does not get link to the deleted post in the reputation tab?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/325612) We'll see whether somebody responds there - possibly we might find out whether this is the expected behavior or just a bug." CreationDate="2019-03-23T13:58:08.620" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18631" PostId="4164" Score="0" Text="For the interested users, I'll add links to questions on Mathematics: [A differential operator associated with a vector field on the torus](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3158913) and [Integrability of distributions which are invariant under isometry group](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3158916)." CreationDate="2019-03-24T07:03:03.340" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18632" PostId="4164" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak  I  sincerely  thank you very much  for  your  valuable  help.  Now  my problem is  completely solved, the  question  appeared in  MO. My best regards to you." CreationDate="2019-03-24T21:05:01.290" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="18634" PostId="4164" Score="2" Text="@AliTaghavi Of course, you should keep in mind that if the questions staty at negative score (and without answer), they can get auto-deleted again: https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba" CreationDate="2019-03-25T02:20:46.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27618" PostId="4164" Score="0" Text="I was considering whether this should simply be closed as a duplicate of: [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254) But maybe it doesn't hurt that the information about the new functionality - which makes finding your own deleted posts much easier now - is included here, too." CreationDate="2022-08-28T08:32:06.400" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18664" PostId="4167" Score="3" Text="Moderators and users with 25k+ reputation can have [access to site analytics](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics) where they can see whether there was an increase in number of downvotes. I have created also two simple [SEDE queries](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info) which show number of downvotes [per month](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1019466/number-of-downvotes-per-month#graph) and [per day](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/revision/1019478/1259127/number-of-downvotes-per-day-between-two-dates#graph)." CreationDate="2019-03-29T09:10:08.280" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18665" PostId="4167" Score="2" Text="When looking at those results, you should keep in mind that the data in SEDE are only updated once a week. Of course, with SEDE one can do also further analysis - if somebody has time to look into that. (For example, it can be checked which users get largest numbers of downvotes, whether there are more downvotes in some tags than others, etc.)" CreationDate="2019-03-29T09:12:10.313" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18666" PostId="4167" Score="0" Text="Much appreciated Martin, looking at those statistics it appears as though things are on par for the recent trends." CreationDate="2019-03-29T09:16:30.717" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="18667" PostId="4167" Score="7" Text="My personal impression is that also number of close votes was recently higher than usual. I don't know a way to count close votes directly, but they are reflected in close vote reviews - here are the numbers [per month](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/revision/1019528/1259182/number-of-close-vote-reviews-per-month#graph) and [per day](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/revision/1019531/1259185/number-of-close-vote-reviews-per-day#graph). Feel free to [ping me in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19138/2019/3/29) if some other similar stats might be useful." CreationDate="2019-03-29T11:09:52.467" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18668" PostId="4167" Score="17" Text="Well, I certainly have my strong suspicions who is doing the downvoting on the first, and maybe the third question. It's very likely on the basis of a particular tag, which the user is now scouring looking for things to downvote, in a fit of pique. But since this is speculation, that's all I'll say for now. Just know that we're watching..." CreationDate="2019-03-29T12:07:50.933" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18669" PostId="4167" Score="0" Text="Some unexplained downvotes also appeared in https://mathoverflow.net/questions/326150 ." CreationDate="2019-03-29T15:13:57.037" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="18670" PostId="4167" Score="2" Text="This is probably unrelated, but I noticed that [this question](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/1266792/660) of Carl Mummert on MSE got *five* unexplained downvotes. I don't have *the slightest idea* why, and I find this very perplexing. (Perhaps people who, unlike me, know some logic can guess the reason for the downvotes, but even if this reason exists, I find disturbing that none of the downvoters cared to give an explanation.)" CreationDate="2019-03-29T21:26:42.977" UserId="461" />
  <row Id="18672" PostId="4167" Score="7" Text="When it seems that some individual or small group has gone on a downvoting spree, my feeling is that the best course of action is to flag one of the downvoted questions or answers for moderator attention, detailing the untoward activity you've spotted. The moderators have the tools to do something about it (if they find merit in your accusations), while there's not much other users can do beyond offering sympathy." CreationDate="2019-03-29T22:49:55.300" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18675" PostId="4167" Score="2" Text="Your vigilance is much appreciated Todd, I think moderators keeping a finger on the pulse of these things and intervening at their own discretion is probably the best solution. Thank you for the suggestion Gerry, I wasn’t aware I had that recourse and will use it moving forwards." CreationDate="2019-03-30T03:55:00.007" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="18677" PostId="4167" Score="0" Text="And of course thank you @MartinSleziak for the additional statistics, I'll ping you if anything additional occurs to me." CreationDate="2019-03-30T06:24:04.077" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="18682" PostId="4167" Score="9" Text="-1. You take an example of serial downvoting with malicious/trolling intent, and then use it to go on a crusade against *unexplained* downvotes in general. I think that this is a fallacious generalization. The ability to leave downvotes without explanation is on the Stack Exchange network by design. I can understand how you feel, and I am sympathetic, but as it stands, this question is ill-posed." CreationDate="2019-03-30T13:38:13.210" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18683" PostId="4167" Score="3" Text="@MartinSleziak Your downvotes statistics probably should be normalized to account for changes in traffic. For instance, the downvotes / upvotes ratio would make more sense as a measure, in my opinion." CreationDate="2019-03-30T13:45:01.257" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="18685" PostId="4167" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni I have tried to make a query with the ratio you suggested: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/revision/1020046/1259834/downvotes-upvotes-ratio-per-month#graph If there is more SEDE related stuff, we can [discuss it in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/19138/conversation/recent-downvotes-on-mo). (I suggested chat mainly because I do not want to digress too much in the comments - so that this does not become a discussion about SEDE instead of the original topic.)" CreationDate="2019-03-30T16:10:27.560" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18689" PostId="4167" Score="5" Text="@FedericoPoloni I’m not sure how we objectively differentiate ‘serial downvoting with malicious/trolling intent’ from giving a bunch of downvotes without explaining them, but I don’t see the above as a ‘crusade’ against either of them. I think anonymous and even unexplained downvotes have a healthy place on MO, but it seems like there’s been a recent negative trend felt by multiple community members so I started this thread as a place to discuss it openly and gain some clarity." CreationDate="2019-03-31T01:14:18.847" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="18706" PostId="4167" Score="3" Text="A few days ago I received an unexplained downvote on an [old question](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/309785/stationarity-and-fodors-lemma-for-a-nice-poset). This actually inspired me to ask [another question](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/326332/sunflower-delta-system-lemma-in-a-more-general-poset) in a similar spirit. I promptly received a downvote and a close vote without explanation. All I can say is: if the serial downvoter / close voter is trying to discourage something, I think they'll find their plan backfires. Edit: now I see my situation was already linked in the OP!" CreationDate="2019-04-01T07:38:35.863" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="18707" PostId="4167" Score="2" Text="If the problem is perceived to be serious enough to do something about it, then what about the following?: Make downvotes on a post be shown and have an effect on the post score only if there are at least three of them; if there are only one or two downvotes on a post and none are added to them within a certain time, then let them 'age away' by the time like close votes." CreationDate="2019-04-01T10:03:36.217" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="18729" PostId="4167" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl I like that idea; downvotes are an immediate response to a question prior to a close vote used to express that something is wrong, and if they’re justified others will pick up on it too and downvote as well.  It makes downvotes a more ephemeral form of negative expression by letting them fade with time if not reinforced. I think they should be given a week or more before they age out, but the plan overall seems good." CreationDate="2019-04-01T22:32:02.343" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="18732" PostId="4167" Score="3" Text="I agree with the point of the question, which concerns a multiple number of downvotes, probably by a single user. If one user complains about several downvotes on his own questions, this is a distinct topic, and should be treated separately. Or at least in a separate answer, instead of ten comments here." CreationDate="2019-04-03T11:07:05.870" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18743" PostId="4167" Score="2" Text="Another (relatively mild) example: Someone has been downvoting, without explanation, a number of recent questions from ar.grig and my answers to those questions. Maybe someone just doesn't approve of ultrafilters." CreationDate="2019-04-04T01:26:47.543" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="18744" PostId="4167" Score="1" Text="@AndreasBlass I recently picked up another unexplained downvote on the first linked question in this post; I think it may have upset some of the anonymous downvoters on MO — so be it, let them have their tantrum ;)." CreationDate="2019-04-04T07:25:56.700" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="18757" PostId="4167" Score="9" Text="I would appreciate it if we kept things as civil as possible here; passionate disagreement is natural in any academic discipline, but we’re all mathematicians (a small minority on this rock) — we should circle the wagons and support each other where possible, not weaken ourselves from the inside with insignificant disputes." CreationDate="2019-04-04T23:05:10.380" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="18816" PostId="4167" Score="3" Text="Separating out the pieces that are strictly mathematical and bringing them here is a good practice imo and I look forward to contributions like that, but bringing the whole case here for something that isn't strictly mathematical is generally not (I think) a post that individuals on MO want to spend time reading -- a link to a personal blog in your bio or some such is something I think I've seen on other profiles and is fine, but there's a sharp difference between leaving an avenue open for people to explore your positions and trying to foist your views on other people." CreationDate="2019-04-09T20:54:37.973" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="18817" PostId="4167" Score="4" Text="Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/92221/discussion-on-question-by-alec-rhea-increase-in-unexplained-downvotes-on-old-q)." CreationDate="2019-04-09T21:43:04.830" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="18671" PostId="4168" Score="2" Text="This is probably better than my idea, which is that you shouldn't choose the &quot;See Math.StackExchange&quot; reason when you vote to close, unless you have spent enough time on that website to know about their standards." CreationDate="2019-03-29T22:44:55.163" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18684" PostId="4168" Score="1" Text="Perhaps it's worth mentioning that *every* user on Mathematics is shown [How to Ask](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/ask/advice) page when asking *their first question.* But showing this information more often - also to users coming from MO - might be useful. (Here is the [discussion on Mathematics Meta](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/21512/show-how-to-ask-advice-before-a-new-user-asks-a-question) where this was introduced. A similar feature was discussed also [here on MO](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3386).)" CreationDate="2019-03-30T16:00:44.000" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18691" PostId="4170" Score="0" Text="Now, someone has cast an unexplained and unjustified downvote against this question. I have been getting many such unjustified downvotes for some time now." CreationDate="2019-03-31T02:44:43.317" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18835" PostId="4170" Score="0" Text="Now that I think about it, a 50 point bounty would have probably prevented such a question from being deleted in the first place." CreationDate="2019-04-17T00:26:00.517" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18686" PostId="4173" Score="0" Text="Like &quot;cardinal characteristics of the continuum&quot; (the title of the survey paper of Blass in Handbook of Set Theory), &quot;small uncountable cardinals&quot; also is a (part of the) title of an influential paper by Vaughan (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9065/61a1e45b49a2ab816e088ffd33279c05a3ba.pdf) in &quot;Open problems in Topology&quot;. Maybe the problem is that Vaughan is mainly a set-theoretic topologists and set theorists percept this topic a bit differently." CreationDate="2019-03-30T17:15:10.480" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18687" PostId="4173" Score="1" Text="@TarasBanakh: That is definitely not &quot;the problem&quot;. If there is a problem, it's that the tag is _ineffective_ for reasons that I explained. There are plenty of such tags on MO (e.g. [abstract-nonsense](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/abstract-nonsense)). You can keep using it if you want but there is little point in doing so. A better option would be to find a better name for this tag." CreationDate="2019-03-30T21:51:09.523" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18688" PostId="4173" Score="0" Text="Ok, I have no energy (and arguments) to discuss this further. Maybe you are right. Now what would you suggest to do? Remove all (I hope 8) tags and wait 24 hours till it will disappear? Unfortunately removing tags will bump the corresponding problems to the top, which makes some MO-users very nervous :(" CreationDate="2019-03-30T23:25:16.737" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18694" PostId="4173" Score="1" Text="@TarasBanakh Moderators can *rename* tags without bumping any questions. And if the tag has to be removed, mods can request SE user to &quot;[burninate](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/tags-burnination/info)&quot; them - which means simply removal of the tag without bumping any question. (However, if this would concern only 8 questions, I suppose manual retagging would do.) I would mainly suggest not to be too hasty about retagging, let's see where this discussion goes first. (And since mods can do changes without bumping, we can leave the action to them.)" CreationDate="2019-03-31T05:32:46.643" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18698" PostId="4173" Score="0" Text="@TarasBanakh I recall István Juhász describing some of his major works as &quot;cardinal functions&quot; . Perhaps having both &quot;cardinal-functions-topology&quot; and &quot;cardinal-characteristics&quot; would work? They overlap some, but they cover everything I can think of right now. Also, they are both nouns." CreationDate="2019-03-31T20:01:17.183" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18699" PostId="4173" Score="0" Text="@François I suppose that would do but I still don't understand the insistence in having to explicitly indicate that one is a tag in topology, and that the same objects need a different tag if discussed in other contexts." CreationDate="2019-03-31T20:32:36.120" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="18702" PostId="4173" Score="0" Text="@Andrés I have no firm opinion, as far as I can tell there is little interest from users in using any of these tags, but there (hopefully) might be more interest if they were properly named." CreationDate="2019-04-01T01:56:57.053" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18703" PostId="4173" Score="0" Text="&quot;cardinal-function-topology&quot; is a separated topic covering cardinal faunctions on topological spaces like weight, separability, cellularity, etc. &quot;cardinal characteristics of the continuum&quot; is a bit different set-theoretic topic decribing combinatorial cardinality properties of some standard Polish spaces like real line, Cantor set, Baire space. Up to my understanding &quot;cardinal characteristic of continuum&quot; is a subtopic of &quot;small-uncountable-cardinals&quot;. The latter relates to cardinals that are near the continuum." CreationDate="2019-04-01T05:33:10.070" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18704" PostId="4173" Score="0" Text="But since introducing new tags appeared to be so delicate question, then I agree to keep just wide tags: &quot;set-theory&quot; and &quot;general-topology&quot;. This is less important comparing to the presence or absence of  interesting questions (and answers) in these fields." CreationDate="2019-04-01T05:36:55.730" UserId="61536" />
  <row Id="18708" PostId="4173" Score="0" Text="At this point I'm a bit overtaken by the controversial aspect of the discussion. I'd just say that I would not be happy with a tag creation if it results in half of the new question including this tags being retagged or untagged. One solution is to not create a tag. Another is to have more flexibility on the tag's meaning and let it somewhat converge, instead of fixing a too rigid framework." CreationDate="2019-04-01T12:07:16.167" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18727" PostId="4173" Score="0" Text="@Ycor Which questions were retagged or untagged? I'm not sure what you are talking about." CreationDate="2019-04-01T22:20:13.863" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="18728" PostId="4173" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais for instance https://mathoverflow.net/questions/325987/" CreationDate="2019-04-01T22:27:35.427" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18746" PostId="4174" Score="19" Text="You may notice that under each answer there is a button demarked &quot;cite&quot; -- if you click on it, you'll get the bibtex info for how to cite the answer. IMO it is ethically necessary to cite the MO answer in question." CreationDate="2019-04-04T17:26:10.137" UserId="6950" />
  <row Id="18747" PostId="4174" Score="0" Text="Ah great! I never noticed, thank you!" CreationDate="2019-04-04T17:26:59.013" UserId="86065" />
  <row Id="18749" PostId="4174" Score="6" Text="I'll copy my comment [from the original post](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/327155/timeline) which was somehow lost in migration. Academia Stack Exchange: [Attributing contributions to academic work that occur in Stack Exchange](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/1580) and [How to acknowledge a MathOverflow user?](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/107963) You might also have a look at post on MathOverflow Meta [tagged citations](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/citations)." CreationDate="2019-04-04T18:01:01.440" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18811" PostId="4175" Score="1" Text="The question was basically answered in the comments. (Although I have mentioned some other solution. Basically, I repeated the same advice I have [previously given in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19138/2018/12/10).) I suppose that many users might ask about this, so it's probably better to have at least some answer - not just comments." CreationDate="2019-04-09T06:09:54.577" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20157" PostId="4176" Score="0" Text="Thanks for fixing the links, @Adam Lear!" CreationDate="2019-05-25T07:36:10.247" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20163" PostId="4176" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Sure thing, done." CreationDate="2019-05-28T14:40:54.493" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="18833" PostId="4183" Score="2" Text="It seems that it used to be one bounty. It was changed to three bounties in September 2011: [Can the limit on simultaneous bounties be relaxed?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/61869) and [Recent feature changes to Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/59445/recent-feature-changes-to-stack-exchange/59446#59446)." CreationDate="2019-04-16T18:13:29.637" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18834" PostId="4183" Score="3" Text="&quot;this is a free country....&quot; I didn't know that Mathoverflow was even a country, free or otherwise. Have we applied for membership in the UN?" CreationDate="2019-04-16T22:48:25.760" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18844" PostId="4183" Score="4" Text="Bounties compete against each other for attention.  The more bounties there are, the less each one is worth in attention attracted.  If you post more bounties, you are competing against yourself for attention.  Much more effective (from your point of view) should be successive bounties, each posted after the previous one expires." CreationDate="2019-04-17T11:45:04.460" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="18845" PostId="4183" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar it is true that to a certain extent I would be competing with myself for attention. But right now, my account is not the primary source of bounties on this site (maybe at most 17% come from me at a given point of time). So while your point makes sense, it would become really relevant if I talked about say increasing the upper bound from 10 to 15 or something like that." CreationDate="2019-04-17T11:48:53.443" UserDisplayName="user137767" />
  <row Id="18846" PostId="4183" Score="0" Text="I start to get the feeling that the is no actually a strong reason for this upper bound but some developer decided to introduce it at some point. Now there is not a lot of people pushing for removing this (only me, it appears) so nobody has a strong incentive to remove the upper bound, but there was not a strong reason to put it there in the first place. Well, I guess it happens sometimes." CreationDate="2019-04-17T11:53:24.047" UserDisplayName="user137767" />
  <row Id="18847" PostId="4183" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson well, I am not a mod, but them mods should probably think about it!" CreationDate="2019-04-17T11:54:00.933" UserDisplayName="user137767" />
  <row Id="18836" PostId="4185" Score="0" Text="People are misusing meta in order to cast more unjustified downvotes to questions related to the deleted questions." CreationDate="2019-04-17T02:55:04.540" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18838" PostId="4185" Score="0" Text="Is there any reason why this post has a downvote?" CreationDate="2019-04-17T03:46:20.467" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18839" PostId="4185" Score="0" Text="The MO community has recently made it exceedingly clear that they do not want me on this site." CreationDate="2019-04-17T03:52:37.257" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18841" PostId="4185" Score="4" Text="I see one downvote. ONE! A downvote doesn't mean someone doesn't want you here. I know you're not interested in my advice, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M" CreationDate="2019-04-17T08:56:15.460" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18842" PostId="4185" Score="4" Text="Oh, and, for the 17th time, if you feel you're being targeted with downvotes, please, please flag for moderator attention. Complaining here is pointless, as only a moderator can do anything about such a situation." CreationDate="2019-04-17T09:02:35.053" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18843" PostId="4185" Score="0" Text="Question has been undeleted BUT unless it sees some action (answers, upvotes) it will sooner or later be robo-deleted again." CreationDate="2019-04-17T09:07:03.623" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="18880" PostId="4185" Score="0" Text="I have been flagging these sorts of posts for unjustified downvotes. In my recent experience, such flags have been declined." CreationDate="2019-04-19T23:50:21.453" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="18848" PostId="4187" Score="0" Text="It seems that this particular user asked at least one questions - as he was [awarded student badge](https://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/2/student?userid=73705). I do not see the question there - but 10k+ users should be able to see also the question. (Most likely cause for losing 5 reputation points seems deletion of a question which had one upvote.)" CreationDate="2019-04-17T12:23:51.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18849" PostId="4187" Score="0" Text="Got it.  The amount the rep changed in the last month seems to be the default setting.  But in fact his current rep is 101, the same as after his original association bonus in 2015." CreationDate="2019-04-17T12:24:43.143" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="18850" PostId="4187" Score="1" Text="@GeraldEdgar Yes, the reputation is the same as originally. Which corresponds to the fact that the user has at least one deleted post (see the previous comment). So if it was deleted not too long ago, it would correspond to starting at 101, increasing the reputation to 106 after an upvote on the question and going back to 101 after the question was deleted." CreationDate="2019-04-17T12:31:16.277" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="19961" PostId="4187" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar I will just mention that another possible explanation of the decrease of reputation could be &quot;[user was removed](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/337/loss-of-reputation-because-a-user-was-removed)&quot; - as suggested by [S. Carnahan](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2019/5/4). He also pointed out that the question I've mentioned in my previous comment was deleted in 2015 - so it cannot explain recent reputation decrease. (As I've mentioned, since I am below 10k, I wasn't able to check when the question was deleted.)" CreationDate="2019-05-05T08:46:15.467" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18851" PostId="4188" Score="5" Text="In my opinion, the answer is no. MathOverflow is the wrong forum for that, and I suspect there is no good place on StackExchange for such a request. That said, I have a subtle advertisement for proofreading services on my MathOverflow user page, and others might advertise similarly. The only way I see getting volunteer (no money) help is if the subject has appeal to the volunteer. In which case, individual requests by email to a hand-picked group might succeed.  Gerhard &quot;German Is My Third Language&quot; Paseman, 2019.04.17." CreationDate="2019-04-17T20:05:22.857" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18855" PostId="4188" Score="1" Text="Of course, you might also [ask in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&amp;sort=active&amp;host=mathoverflow.net)  - restrictions what is on-topic are much more relaxed in chat. (Whether there is a reasonable chance that you find something - be it by asking here or in chat - is a separate question.)" CreationDate="2019-04-18T05:56:14.277" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18856" PostId="4188" Score="1" Text="Somewhat similar question on Mathematics Meta: [Inviting people to proofread a mathematical text allowed?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/25798)" CreationDate="2019-04-18T07:36:04.693" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18896" PostId="4188" Score="1" Text="Presumably the publisher is offering payment for this.  In principle we could offer that service.  For example, Stack Overflow hosts a &quot;jobs&quot; tag.  But (as noted) currently we do not." CreationDate="2019-04-20T12:51:48.447" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="18852" PostId="4189" Score="2" Text="I find some of the comments on that question extremely, extremely dispiriting. What happened to the MathOverflow I knew where people acted with some charity towards fellow researchers who maybe, just maybe, did not have the same undergraduate education or simply do not have the time to reinvent the wheel?" CreationDate="2019-04-17T20:34:29.347" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="18853" PostId="4189" Score="7" Text="I should explain that I am more likely to downvote or vote-to-close a question which seems to be on topic X by a student in X who should be finding the answer to a question on X as part of their studies of X. Whereas a specialist in Y asking a question on X that people who study X can answer easily was **surely one of the original princples/purposes of MO**" CreationDate="2019-04-17T20:37:26.067" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="18854" PostId="4189" Score="0" Text="@Yemon, Sympathetic as I am with your position, we still lack a standard of how researchers in Y can ask questions about X. I am still surprised at the way this question was posted, and find it hard to distinguish from a question asked by student X who has not tried even a Google search. Perhaps you can think of a better way to handle this?  Gerhard &quot;What If Asker Is Unreal?&quot; Paseman, 2019.04.17." CreationDate="2019-04-17T22:05:26.940" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="18857" PostId="4189" Score="1" Text="My opinion (visibly not shared by some of you) is that I think the rules should aim at being the same for all people and acted regardless of the possible (now verified) identity." CreationDate="2019-04-18T09:18:05.397" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="18899" PostId="4192" Score="1" Text="How do you make those figures? If it's an external image file, just add the caption there." CreationDate="2019-04-21T14:51:18.580" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18900" PostId="4192" Score="0" Text="I wrote   a caption but it did not come out right. See  the 6th picture (from ttop to bottom) in this answer https://mathoverflow.net/questions/328497/circle-inscribed-between-two-curves/328506#328506" CreationDate="2019-04-21T14:53:58.307" UserId="20302" />
  <row Id="18901" PostId="4192" Score="3" Text="Those captions are *not* captions that appear below your figure. Those are meant as alternative text for screen readers or so." CreationDate="2019-04-21T15:03:49.433" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="18902" PostId="4192" Score="2" Text="This rather old feature request is a bit related: [Add Image Captions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/142750). The answer posted there basically explains that MarkDown has no predefined way to do that." CreationDate="2019-04-21T17:52:53.787" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="18903" PostId="4192" Score="1" Text="What do you mean by &quot;tags&quot; exactly?" CreationDate="2019-04-22T19:01:36.827" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="19919" PostId="4197" Score="1" Text="The eccentric genius Perelman knows better than to post questions to meta.mathoverflow that are clearly off-topic there." CreationDate="2019-04-24T13:13:37.477" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="19920" PostId="4197" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson It would be fun if Perelman is reading these threads :)" CreationDate="2019-04-24T14:24:44.453" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="19929" PostId="4197" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson On second thought according to wikipedia Perelman quitted mathematics, so he wouldn't have posted for entirely different reasons." CreationDate="2019-04-25T11:37:22.507" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="19930" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="Looks OK to me, and I'm also using Safari. But I think the title was better before OP posted it, in the version without all the math." CreationDate="2019-04-25T22:37:19.123" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="19931" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson, did you try it with a narrow window?" CreationDate="2019-04-26T01:25:01.187" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="19932" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="No. (Why would I?)" CreationDate="2019-04-26T03:29:44.993" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="19933" PostId="4198" Score="2" Text="To me this looks a bit similar to this bug report: [MathJax rendering issue while looking at someone's profile](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/29728). (Although that one is already marked status completed.)" CreationDate="2019-04-26T03:54:50.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="19934" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson, because that's the circumstance under which I'm seeing it.  (I put this in the title, but not the body, so I guess I should edit.)" CreationDate="2019-04-26T11:45:04.440" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="19935" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, I agree that [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4198/wrong-rendering-in-narrow-width-in-safari#comment19933_4198) looks like a similar error (although it's hard to tell if two rendering issues are caused by the same underlying bug, and this one seems like it might be related to window width—although I neglected to try re-sizing the window to see, and now the title's changed), but, as you say, it's happening for me right now, despite the `{status-completed}` tag." CreationDate="2019-04-26T18:47:27.530" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="19936" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="I'm reminded of an old joke. Man goes to the doctor, says &quot;Doc, it hurts when I raise my arm like this [raises his arm to show doctor what he means].&quot; Doctor replies, &quot;So, don't raise your arm like that!&quot;" CreationDate="2019-04-26T23:58:23.643" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27980" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="@SpencerG, I notice the tag [tag:status-review] was [removed](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4198/6), but no new tag was added.  Does that mean that, on review, this was determined not to be a bug; or that it was determined to be a bug, but won't be fixed; or something else?" CreationDate="2022-11-09T02:27:47.767" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27981" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Sorry for the confusion it was my error. We were doing an internal review of these older bug reports, and I pulled the tag off by accident. I have not put a new status on it, as it will create a new ticket via our automation. So still monitoring it; I just messed up our internal process. That being said, I could not duplicate this on Safari when I tried to." CreationDate="2022-11-09T13:35:32.577" UserId="343765" />
  <row Id="27982" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="@SpencerG, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4198/wrong-rendering-in-narrow-width-in-safari#comment27981_4198), no worries.  It seems only to happen on the front page (or other summary page, i.e., not on individual question pages) with titles with long math formulæ with narrow windows.  I don't see any on the front page right now, but would be happy to comment here next time I see one, if that would help." CreationDate="2022-11-09T14:14:31.377" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28260" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="Due to the very minimal impact of this bug, we won't be correcting it." CreationDate="2023-01-18T19:23:55.360" UserId="343765" />
  <row Id="28262" PostId="4198" Score="2" Text="@SpencerG, is this bug the same as [that one](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5575), so that I should close as duplicate?" CreationDate="2023-01-18T21:01:29.370" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28264" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="@LSpice I think that is different. I will put a status review tag on it so that we can look into it a bit more." CreationDate="2023-01-19T21:18:25.017" UserId="343765" />
  <row Id="19938" PostId="4200" Score="10" Text="I have over ten accounts on the Stack Exchange network myself. (This account is the one that I use most frequently as of late.) While I understand your concern, I think the content of the questions should be the issue, not the manner in which they were asked. Also, as user names can be changed, you might list user IDs instead. Gerhard &quot;No, I'm The Other One&quot; Paseman, 2019.05.01." CreationDate="2019-05-01T22:55:12.613" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="19939" PostId="4200" Score="24" Text="@GerhardPaseman :  There are some relevant differences, though.  For one thing, I'm not counting &quot;accounts on the Stack Exchange network&quot;; I'm counting accounts here on MO.  For another, you have multiple accounts under names that are recognizably yours, which seems a little less suspicious.  For another , your multiple accounts did not (I believe) all spring  forth full-blown nearly simultaneously.  And for yet another, you have no substantial history of hit-and-runs, where you ask a question, a commenter responds, and you're never heard from again." CreationDate="2019-05-01T23:16:20.027" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="19940" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="I agree that there are differences. However, it is the behaviour that should be the focus. If there are thirteen hit and runs which result in thirteen average but worthy questions from which the community can benefit after improvement, that is better than one individual who gives thirteen poor questions and does not get the message on how to improve them for the forum.  Gerhard &quot;How Good Are The Questions?&quot; Paseman, 2019.05.01." CreationDate="2019-05-01T23:42:11.717" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="19941" PostId="4200" Score="22" Text="Gerhard:  Well, one issue you're overlooking is that I might not want to put much effort into this person's questions in the future, given the likelihood that my responses will be ignored.  If the username keeps changing, it's a little harder to identify the questions I prefer to skip by." CreationDate="2019-05-02T00:26:46.230" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="19942" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="I have added ([meta-tag:new-users]) and ([meta-tag:multiple-accounts]), since they seem to be suitable tags for this question. I wasn't sure whether to add ([meta-tag:specific-user]) - probably not, since the question seems to be mostly about the general issue rather than about this particular user(s)." CreationDate="2019-05-02T03:30:31.260" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="19943" PostId="4200" Score="4" Text="BTW the users you mention are unregistered user. Registration would decrease the likelihood that the asker looses access to his account. (Although it's not clear whether this is what happened here.) Past discussion related to registration: [Should MathOverflow require registration to ask a question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3240)" CreationDate="2019-05-02T03:33:48.833" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="19944" PostId="4200" Score="21" Text="Another explanation might be:  MO was mentioned by the instructor in some math class somewhere, and as a result 10 of the students decided to try it." CreationDate="2019-05-02T10:37:51.940" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="19945" PostId="4200" Score="3" Text="Having multiple accounts is not really prohibited. But it's a different case if it's used for malicious purpose, like trolling, avoiding ban, or even voting fraud. At this point, mods can check if they are related or not, and do something about it." CreationDate="2019-05-02T10:51:14.553" UserId="60571" />
  <row Id="19946" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="faptoint? Do you mean, fatpoint?" CreationDate="2019-05-02T13:16:45.523" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="19947" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson :  I did copy these by hand, so there could be typos, but it does seem to say faptoint." CreationDate="2019-05-02T13:41:03.977" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="19948" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="OK. I asked because of https://mathoverflow.net/questions/330156/non-empty-open-subscheme-reduced posted by https://mathoverflow.net/users/139941/fatpoint (so maybe fatpoint should be on your list?)" CreationDate="2019-05-02T13:59:05.267" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="19949" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="Possibly another to add to the list: https://mathoverflow.net/q/330539/30186" CreationDate="2019-05-02T14:32:33.740" UserId="30186" />
  <row Id="19950" PostId="4200" Score="12" Text="I would like to say in defense of these questions that several of them are interesting, such as https://mathoverflow.net/questions/330337 , https://mathoverflow.net/questions/330178 , https://mathoverflow.net/questions/330168 , https://mathoverflow.net/questions/330159 , and all of them are at least  reasonable. This is different from other times when we've had a flood of what are clearly low level homework questions." CreationDate="2019-05-02T15:09:16.943" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="19951" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="@DavidESpeyer :  I do not at all dispute that the questions are reasonable and in several cases interesting.  I even answered one of them!" CreationDate="2019-05-02T15:10:54.567" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="19952" PostId="4200" Score="9" Text="@StevenLandsburg I don't think either of us are disputing each other; I just want to make sure people who are looking at this thread have a good understanding of the situation." CreationDate="2019-05-02T15:12:00.030" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="19953" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="@Steven, I don't think I am overlooking the issue so much as waiting for you to clarify it. While it is good to engage with the original poster for clarification or increased understanding, it is not necessary. If someone comes along later and contributes well to the post, that works too. In either case, you are the judge of how worthy the post is of your time.  Gerhard &quot;Have You Some More Concerns?&quot; Paseman, 2019.05.02." CreationDate="2019-05-02T19:59:19.343" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="19957" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="I wouldn't be very surprised if (at least some of) these are a computer program." CreationDate="2019-05-04T07:14:12.493" UserId="3032" />
  <row Id="19958" PostId="4200" Score="6" Text="@MartinRubey I would love to see the code if all of these were written by a program. It got at least some of the semantics right." CreationDate="2019-05-04T11:13:28.167" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="19960" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="More of the same:  https://mathoverflow.net/questions/330731/krull-dimension-of-the-ring-of-global-sections" CreationDate="2019-05-05T04:32:09.173" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="19962" PostId="4200" Score="3" Text="Possibly https://mathoverflow.net/questions/330793/topological-spaces-with-possibly-non-uniquely-unique-scheme-structure." CreationDate="2019-05-05T22:18:20.813" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="19968" PostId="4200" Score="3" Text="@GeraldEdgar, I hope that any instructor who prompted these will encourage the students to accept appropriate answers!" CreationDate="2019-05-06T15:00:16.157" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="19969" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="@NoahSchweber See also this https://mathoverflow.net/questions/330775/a-scheme-whose-underlying-space-is-the-product-of-the-underlying-spaces-of-schem from a different account with (currently) the same user-name" CreationDate="2019-05-06T20:19:58.063" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20113" PostId="4200" Score="9" Text="@schematic_boi: I strongly believe that you are the one behind all these usernames." CreationDate="2019-05-21T17:08:32.967" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="20114" PostId="4200" Score="3" Text="@AlexM. OK, that is your right." CreationDate="2019-05-21T17:09:48.057" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20218" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="Steven: if you look at the comments on this deleted question https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4243/how-exactly-does-the-40-minute-limit-work you will see some user with certain opinions/interests adjacent to the present discussion mention, in a positive(!) way, the notion of having a bot that queues up a bunch of questions - could this account for the pattern here?" CreationDate="2019-06-02T13:35:22.997" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20234" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi I see via inbox that you (I think) have posted some replies to my comments there but unfortunately I can not read them because the question has been deleted. I did indeed mention setting up a bot because I do believe that some people can generate interesting questions at a rate faster than once per 40 minutes (you probably heard about some very smart people in your life and I have also seen some) and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as the bot obeys the rules. You seem to be insinuating something without making explicit accusations and I do not appreciate that." CreationDate="2019-06-03T09:41:17.500" UserDisplayName="user74900" />
  <row Id="20235" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="I don't really understand your &quot;positive(!) way&quot; statement. If you could clarify what exactly is your problem with that, that might be helpful. I am not sure what opinions of mine are adjacent to whose, and my mathematical interests are not exactly rare or unusual." CreationDate="2019-06-03T09:43:24.717" UserDisplayName="user74900" />
  <row Id="20236" PostId="4200" Score="6" Text="@cardinal :  The fact that you've &quot;generated an interesting question&quot; is not sufficient reason to post to MathOverflow." CreationDate="2019-06-03T12:59:41.603" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20237" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="@StevenLandsburg your comment is slightly ambiguous. I never said I personally generate any interesting questions but I guess you mean in general. I agree with the general statement though I do not see how is it relevant here." CreationDate="2019-06-03T13:02:48.030" UserDisplayName="user74900" />
  <row Id="20266" PostId="4200" Score="16" Text="@cardinal This is probably OP, but I cannot imagine posting a question on MO without spending at least a day thinking about it to see if it is really nontrivial. And even so, I'd probably spend at least 20 minutes *writing* the question, to make sure I am satisfied with its formulation. In this light, you'll see why your &quot;someone could produce a question every ten minutes&quot; strikes me as ridiculous at best." CreationDate="2019-06-04T15:24:30.410" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="20270" PostId="4200" Score="9" Text="@DenisNardin this is backed up by [the FAQ](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/882/how-to-write-a-good-mathoverflow-question): &#xA;&#xA;_**Do your homework**_&#xA;&#xA;_Before asking your question, try to solve it. Search Google, Wikipedia, and nLab, check any references you can think of, and try to figure the problem out yourself (maybe even sleep on it)._" CreationDate="2019-06-05T06:18:14.513" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20273" PostId="4200" Score="6" Text="On Deva Path's user page, I found this strange but seemingly relevant quote &quot;The Six Paths of Pain are controlled by Nagato. The Six Paths of Pain do not answer, upvote, comment on each other's posts. The Six Paths of Pain award bounties on each other's posts.&quot; If the Six Paths of Pain refers to this group of users, this is according to what Todd said not completely true. This is apparently a reference to Naruto?" CreationDate="2019-06-05T21:45:46.897" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="20275" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="@WillSawin There are indeed six users with names of the form &quot;... Path&quot; (Human Path, etc.), all with the same description. I don't think awarding bounties on each others' posts is against the rules, but it is skirting the boundary (and jumping right past it if they use it to artificially decrease the costs of the bounties)." CreationDate="2019-06-06T10:58:52.280" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="20276" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="Adding this comment to insure that @ToddTrimble sees the two preceding comments." CreationDate="2019-06-06T11:09:45.360" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20277" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="Thanks to @WillSawin and Steven. I had to look up Naruto/Nagato, but FWIW, see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%E1%B9%83s%C4%81ra_(Buddhism)#Realms_of_rebirth" CreationDate="2019-06-06T12:53:12.640" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20278" PostId="4200" Score="15" Text="@StevenLandsburg What I find vexing is that to my non-AG eye, some of these questions look reasonable; but I really dislike the disingenuous behaviour of different user accounts interacting as if they are different people, even if this does not involve voting. I also find the creation of &quot;one-shot&quot; or &quot;burner&quot; unregistered accounts solely for the purpose of a high-volume of questions verging on obnoxious spamming" CreationDate="2019-06-06T12:56:55.653" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20282" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi :  Agreed on all counts." CreationDate="2019-06-06T13:39:14.673" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20298" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi &quot;I also find the creation of &quot;one-shot&quot; or &quot;burner&quot; unregistered accounts solely for the purpose of a high-volume of questions verging on obnoxious spamming&quot;: if you are referring to the limit on the number of questions a person can pose in a given time frame (one question in 40 minutes, I think), then that limit is enforced on the level of IP address (can the more enlightened confirm this?). So merely creating many unregistered (or registered) accounts will not allow you to ask questions at a faster pace than you could using a single account." CreationDate="2019-06-09T09:40:29.353" UserDisplayName="user141498" />
  <row Id="20299" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi In fact, if your sole purpose is to ask as many questions as possible, the best strategy would be to get your account 125 reputation points, then there is no limit; it is definitely not to create many unregistered accounts. Given this information, I can not understand the point of a part of your comment, I hope you can clarify." CreationDate="2019-06-09T09:40:37.240" UserDisplayName="user141498" />
  <row Id="20300" PostId="4200" Score="5" Text="@AsuraPath if not for this reason, then why create so many accounts?" CreationDate="2019-06-09T20:51:28.170" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="20301" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="@WillSawin I don't know, I guess everyone has their own reasons. I am personally just annoyed at the fact that a user can only have 3 bounties at any given point of time." CreationDate="2019-06-09T20:52:47.090" UserDisplayName="user141498" />
  <row Id="20304" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="I am not sure why did you add drama_dorama. If you do have some reason, why did not you add https://mathoverflow.net/users/108486/bonbon?" CreationDate="2019-06-10T13:07:54.057" UserDisplayName="user141498" />
  <row Id="20306" PostId="4200" Score="9" Text="Because that account doesn't fit the pattern we're seeing. I don't see why it should make any difference to you, if you claim you have nothing to do with these other accounts." CreationDate="2019-06-10T22:38:56.620" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20310" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="@DenisNardin by the way, please avoid making unfair accusations (I think the one you have made was unfair, see the previous comment). I want all discussions on MO to be civil, honestly. But since we have started this already, it is suspicious that you make unfair accusations against people with a different opinion." CreationDate="2019-06-11T09:18:07.947" UserDisplayName="user141498" />
  <row Id="20326" PostId="4200" Score="3" Text="Another one: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/141826/phd .  This one got a 100 point association bonus (16 mins ago?) but only has one account (MathOverflow)." CreationDate="2019-06-13T06:28:09.670" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="20338" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="@JoelReyesNoche That was (at least) the third incarnation of &quot;phd&quot;. It has since been (self-?)deleted, and then very briefly (a few minutes?) we had phd number 4+, (user141832) again arriving with an association bonus, but apparently deleting themselves after posting a few comments." CreationDate="2019-06-13T08:27:40.587" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="20342" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="A veritable meteor shower of incarnations of &quot;phd&quot; this morning. Another one (user141854) shone for a very few minutes and burnt." CreationDate="2019-06-13T10:33:14.513" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="20346" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="Hi: https://mathoverflow.net/users/141869/phd" CreationDate="2019-06-14T01:51:01.220" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20348" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble:  yes---and as I'm sure you've noticed, he's arrived with an association bonus." CreationDate="2019-06-14T02:12:25.577" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20349" PostId="4200" Score="14" Text="@StevenLandsburg Yeah. I've now got some Community Management looking at the case, and we're pretty much in agreement with what's going on. Meanwhile, a very large number of accounts have been deleted." CreationDate="2019-06-14T02:17:05.480" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20350" PostId="4200" Score="9" Text="@ToddTrimble:  once again, I'm very glad you're on this." CreationDate="2019-06-14T02:21:38.800" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20369" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="A brand new Asura Path: https://mathoverflow.net/users/142104/asura-path ." CreationDate="2019-06-19T16:37:30.770" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="20372" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="@Emil :  gone in under 16 minutes, I'm very glad to see." CreationDate="2019-06-19T16:55:09.563" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20432" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="@GetOffTheInternet user130022 doesn't quite &quot;smell the same&quot; to me but I could be mistaken" CreationDate="2019-06-23T17:56:29.483" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20433" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/questions/334638/do-negative-indecomposable-bundles-on-curves-have-sections/334641#334641 concerns me. I answered the question because it seems legitimate, but it’s getting downvoted as if the person who asked the question is the same as the one who is making all the accounts. This isn’t good because it can scare legitimate new users." CreationDate="2019-06-23T18:10:52.923" UserId="124840" />
  <row Id="20434" PostId="4200" Score="6" Text="@prf I have not owned a Mathoverflow account for a long time. A student of mine, whose account I am borrowing, for this once, brought this situation to my attention, and after some thought I believe it may be proper to point out to you a few aspects that I'm afraid you may be overlooking along the way. I will do so myself, in a way that I hope you'll read as friendly and benevolent, since it is.&#xA;According to your personal CV, assuming your identity has been correctly singled out, you seem to be a bright young student, eager to dive into advanced material and keen on teaching it to himself." CreationDate="2019-06-24T00:40:36.330" UserDisplayName="user135665" />
  <row Id="20435" PostId="4200" Score="6" Text="While this is admirable and potentially fruitful, provided your eagerness is harnessed the right way and accompanied by humility and patience, with the aim of not burning crucial steps in your learning process, you seem to have yet to fully appreciate how inappropriate your behavior has been so far, and that this may reflect badly on you in your nearest future. It seems you’ll be soon starting your freshman year at Harvard." CreationDate="2019-06-24T00:40:54.133" UserDisplayName="user135665" />
  <row Id="20436" PostId="4200" Score="6" Text="Let me point out that the disrespectful conduct you’ve been showing, does not match the one that would be expected from a person that is soon due to become part of a school that, among others, values character and moral fiber, and the capacity to bring to the table a positive drive for change.&#xA;It happened in the past that your future school rescinded admission offers due to unbecoming conduct, and very recently so. Why would a bright young man spend his time in this fashion, and why so persistently and unapologetically," CreationDate="2019-06-24T00:41:14.003" UserDisplayName="user135665" />
  <row Id="20437" PostId="4200" Score="7" Text="at the potential cost of jeopardizing his immediate future, is something I’m having a very hard time understanding.&#xA;Everybody makes mistakes: what’s important is to draw a lesson from them and turn them into, precisely, “a positive drive for change”.&#xA;I’m hoping you’ll take the following suggestion in a constructive way, and act on it, after taking some time for yourself to reach this conclusion on your own: leave a short message to the Mathoverflow community, down here, apologizing for causing so much confusion, and unnecessarily wasting a number of people’s time." CreationDate="2019-06-24T00:41:36.317" UserDisplayName="user135665" />
  <row Id="20438" PostId="4200" Score="6" Text="Then take a few months off from Mathoverflow. Do enjoy learning, in the more traditional “books and exercises” fashion. I wish for you to get to see by yourself how much this will pay." CreationDate="2019-06-24T00:41:47.503" UserDisplayName="user135665" />
  <row Id="20542" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="regarding previous impersonation cases on SE network: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/279109" CreationDate="2019-07-12T08:48:21.150" UserDisplayName="user142965" />
  <row Id="20543" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="As to @YCor's recent edit -- googling and searching on zbMATH, I cannot find evidence that there is a mathematician named Denis Chaperon de Lauzières at all." CreationDate="2019-07-12T10:40:52.983" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20544" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="Regarding the new edit by @YCor and the mention of  Denis Chaperon de Lauzières, the unregistered accounts go back at least as far as 2011, which makes me uncertain that this is *directly* related to the current state of affairs. (You can find on tea a request to merge four unregistered accounts, one of which became the one linked in the edit.)" CreationDate="2019-07-12T12:51:27.517" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20546" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila In a comment here: https://mathoverflow.net/a/63433/61785 Kevin Buzzard hints that Denis Chaperon de Lauzières might actually be called Emmanuel. There is a certain Emmanuel who wrote a blog post saying MathOverflow was silly and he would only contribute to it under a pseudonym." CreationDate="2019-07-12T15:57:36.520" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="20547" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="@RobertFurber: And following the discussion here, it seems to me that this might not be the same person who created all those other accounts. Not to mention that all the accounts of &quot;Denis&quot; were always using the same name (and supposedly the same email, judging by the consistent Gravatar across the accounts)." CreationDate="2019-07-12T15:59:04.493" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20548" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila Yes, I should probably have addressed my comment at Stefan Kohl, I was trying to affirm the idea that the original Denis was not related to the current user creating and deleting loads of pseudonymous accounts" CreationDate="2019-07-12T16:01:18.427" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="20549" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="Paging @StefanKohl :-)" CreationDate="2019-07-12T16:02:03.477" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20550" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila thanks, this seems quite convincing that the name Denis CdL was a pseudonym. However it seems clear to me from his mathematical background that he's distinct from the recent multi-account user." CreationDate="2019-07-12T21:39:31.370" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20598" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="It seems the flood has abated...?" CreationDate="2019-07-21T11:41:53.090" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="19954" PostId="4201" Score="18" Text="Gerhard, you have so many middle names, that it would take a small book to write them all. Asaf &quot;This is not my real middle name&quot; Karagila, date of comment is written after my name is written again by the system." CreationDate="2019-05-03T09:32:09.827" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="19955" PostId="4201" Score="17" Text="I look forward to the publication of The Many Middle Names of Gerhard &quot;Whose Idea Was This, Anyway?&quot; Paseman." CreationDate="2019-05-03T10:16:51.187" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="19956" PostId="4201" Score="6" Text="Volume II-M is available here: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/3402/gerhard-paseman?tab=activity . Gerhard &quot;Nine Other Volumes In Preparation&quot; Paseman, 2019.05.03." CreationDate="2019-05-03T14:58:26.900" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="19959" PostId="4201" Score="25" Text="How about the following: Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong Gerhard &quot;Recursion never goes wrong" CreationDate="2019-05-04T13:16:43.097" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20177" PostId="4201" Score="12" Text="Q: “What does the B. stand for in ‘Benoît B. Mandelbrot’?” — A: “Benoît B. Mandelbrot” " CreationDate="2019-05-31T15:59:49.267" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="19963" PostId="4203" Score="1" Text="push? publish??" CreationDate="2019-05-06T04:11:48.383" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="19965" PostId="4203" Score="2" Text="I think it wouldn't hurt to edit in links to whatever you have written up (if your results are ready for publication)." CreationDate="2019-05-06T06:57:01.807" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="19966" PostId="4203" Score="1" Text="I see. Taka linked to the paper in the comment following his answer, which set this in motion. I'll link to the paper in the answer here..." CreationDate="2019-05-06T07:19:32.930" UserId="6269" />
  <row Id="19983" PostId="4209" Score="1" Text="On my system (Microsoft Edge 44.17763.1.0 on Windows 10), the parentheses display correctly." CreationDate="2019-05-08T09:19:27.513" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="19984" PostId="4209" Score="0" Text="I just refreshed, and … it's now also fine on mine.  That this really occurred is indicated by the screenshot, but I can't reproduce it, so should this be closed?" CreationDate="2019-05-08T09:20:58.247" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="19987" PostId="4209" Score="3" Text="I do not know the correct terminology - but when MathJax is displayed I usually see &quot;preview version&quot; first and then the final version. (I am on Google Chrome. I have MathJax Renderer chosen as html-css with fast preview on.) The preview version seems similar to your first screenshot, although it is not the same: https://i.stack.imgur.com/9zpCt.png The final version looks perfectly ok. (Perhaps mentioning your MathJax settings - at least the choice of MathJax renderer - might help somebody to reproduce the same problem.)" CreationDate="2019-05-08T09:31:40.870" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="19988" PostId="4209" Score="0" Text="The bug just recurred when I edited and again went away when I refreshed, but it's definitely an issue with the rendering of the final version.  My MathJax renderer is HTML-CSS." CreationDate="2019-05-08T09:34:31.183" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="19990" PostId="4209" Score="1" Text="Yes, I have noticed this.  HTML-CSS.  But if I reload the page, the spacing is correct, so I do not worry about it." CreationDate="2019-05-08T11:55:26.017" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="19991" PostId="4209" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar, indeed, from the user's point of view it's fixed by a refresh, so I now agree it's not worrisome; but, from the programmer's point of view, surely one would like to know *why* this problem occurs, even transiently …." CreationDate="2019-05-08T12:11:01.937" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="19992" PostId="4209" Score="0" Text="If you are talking about the programmer's point of view, perhaps the mathjax site is a better place for the question." CreationDate="2019-05-08T12:18:35.227" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="19993" PostId="4209" Score="1" Text="@GeraldEdgar, probably the comments aren't the place for an extended discussion of this; but, according to https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1787/where-is-the-canonical-place-to-submit-mathjax-bug-reports , MMO is a reasonable place for MathJax bug reports." CreationDate="2019-05-08T12:35:56.117" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="20003" PostId="4210" Score="1" Text="Alex, that was prior to the merge into the SE network. This made merging unregistered accounts a bit slower, a bit more cumbersome, and out of the hands of local moderators." CreationDate="2019-05-11T23:49:51.553" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20006" PostId="4210" Score="2" Text="You are right that when I posted [the question about registering](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3240/should-mathoverflow-require-registration-to-ask-a-question) I should have stressed this aspect too - if a question is posted by an unregistered user and they lose the account, it makes more difficult for them to follow the question, add comments, etc." CreationDate="2019-05-12T08:58:53.580" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20004" PostId="4211" Score="1" Text="Have you tried the &quot;Unanswered&quot; link on the left sidebar?" CreationDate="2019-05-12T08:23:29.377" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="20005" PostId="4211" Score="0" Text="Wow, I feel stupid, thanks!" CreationDate="2019-05-12T08:49:53.630" UserId="17773" />
  <row Id="20013" PostId="4213" Score="6" Text="Hand-waving about &quot;Grothendieck's approach&quot; does not strike me as &quot;fairly specific&quot;. Also the post seems laden with personal opinions like &quot;way too seriously&quot;. The third sentence of your meta post sounds like sarcasm; I hope it's not meant seriously. If you're stuck on a problem arising in your research, *that* might be good for MO, but this question is not (in my opinion it has multiple problems beside those I mentioned)." CreationDate="2019-05-13T14:03:01.093" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20014" PostId="4213" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble OK Sir, I will try to edit the question. The third sentence is not sarcastic, I just did not fully understand the scope of meta MO when I was formulating the question, now I see it is about slightly different things. What are the other &quot;multiple problems&quot;? I want to get rid of all of them at once." CreationDate="2019-05-13T14:30:44.177" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20015" PostId="4213" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time at the moment, but with regard to the question at main: have you looked at the relevant writings of Colin McLarty? This looks sort of relevant to what you seem to be asking: https://arxiv.org/abs/1102.1773" CreationDate="2019-05-13T14:51:24.023" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20019" PostId="4213" Score="5" Text="For anyone reading: the question which the OP links to has now been edited significantly since this meta question was first asked." CreationDate="2019-05-13T17:23:04.107" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20016" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="&quot;mathematical universe&quot; is a system of axioms, I thought that was clear from the question (&quot;universe&quot; does have some other meaning in mathematics I believe, but I think it was clear from the context). I am not partial to arithmetic systems, that was an example. The question was asking for research on this topic, so I think it would not require much effort to recognize what is needed (thus to answer it). I would agree that this may be a bad question and I am ok with the down-votes, but I can not agree with the decision to put in on hold." CreationDate="2019-05-13T15:17:07.140" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20017" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="there were some other questions on MO which were imprecise to a similar extent, but were not put on hold. Would you say that they also did not do their homework and should be put on hold? https://mathoverflow.net/q/117668/138661 https://mathoverflow.net/q/25983/138661 https://mathoverflow.net/q/879/138661 https://mathoverflow.net/q/2358/138661" CreationDate="2019-05-13T15:19:31.153" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20018" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="I see that people are annoyed with my take on &quot;Grothendieck's approach&quot;. If I edit that out, can the question live?" CreationDate="2019-05-13T15:20:01.247" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20020" PostId="4215" Score="5" Text="@sch, you're asking why the question was put on hold, you're being told why the question was put on hold, and you're coming back with &quot;I can not agree with the decision to put in on hold.&quot; This reaction calls into question your sincerity in asking why it was put on hold. Also, it's a well-established principle here that reception of earlier questions doesn't set a binding precedent for newer ones. Membership changes, customs change." CreationDate="2019-05-14T01:47:26.327" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20024" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson I am not sure how does that call in question my sincerity. If a student says to you during a class &quot;You have multiplied these matrices incorrectly&quot;, you explain to them what exactly you did, and then they say something like &quot;But should not we be multiplying componentwise?&quot;, do you think they are being insincere? Stupid, possibly, probably not insincere." CreationDate="2019-05-14T07:00:43.267" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20025" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson regarding the second part: OK, that is so, but what is the exact period of time after which they fail to set a precedent? One of the questions was last edited in April 2017, that is slightly more than 2 years ago. I do not know who were the moderators back then, but probably some of the current moderators were around during that time too. I guess there should be a separate page on this site where they explain exactly the changes in exactly what is acceptable at each point of time, otherwise it is somewhat hard to guess." CreationDate="2019-05-14T07:06:51.290" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20027" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="@sch, if a student asks me what he did wrong on some problem, and I explain what he did wrong, and in reply he tries to tell me that what he did was right, then he wasn't sincere in asking me what he did wrong, because he didn't really believe he was wrong. On the other matter, identity of the moderators is irrelevant, as moderators rarely put questions on hold; that's left up to users who have accumulated enough points to acquire the privilege of voting to close. Different times, different voters. Things evolve over time. Asking for exact times is like asking for the exact time [continued]" CreationDate="2019-05-14T07:46:03.900" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20028" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="[continued] that one species evolved into another. Incidentally, you can find out who the moderators have been at https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/753/history-of-mathoverflow" CreationDate="2019-05-14T07:46:29.323" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20029" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="By the way, of the four questions you cite, the most recent was asked in 2012, and was closed 2 hours after it was posted (and then reopened some hours later)." CreationDate="2019-05-14T07:52:28.127" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20030" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson OK, I understand the part about the voters. Regarding the example with a student, it just can't be non-trivial to see where you are wrong. I mean, I personally was agnostic about whether my question was acceptable or not when I asked the question. S. Carnahan did provide some reasons, I thought that those reasons did not prove his claim completely (and pointed out possible counterexamples), that does not mean I believed his claim was wrong, just that I was not convinced. Then you come along and explain the stuff about voters, reasonable enough." CreationDate="2019-05-14T07:58:45.357" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20031" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="But I lacked that information at the time I was posting my comments and was genuinely not convinced (and genuinely agnostic about my question). You claim I am being a liar. I am not; ignorant about MO and not able to reason quickly, possibly, not a liar or an insincere person." CreationDate="2019-05-14T07:59:49.873" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20032" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="To clarify: say, somebody comes to you and says &quot;2+2=4 because 2+2=-4 and -4=4&quot;. You say &quot;no, 2+2 is not -4&quot;. Does that mean you do not believe that 2+2=4? No, you just do not believe a particular way to demonstrate the truth of 2+2=4. Now, imagine you asked &quot;why 2+2 equals 4?&quot; on meta MO and somebody gave you the above argument and you had this conversation. Would you be insincere in that situation?" CreationDate="2019-05-14T08:10:30.833" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20033" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="Granted, the situation here is not exactly analogous because I was in the wrong, lacking that information (not entirely trivial to infer from the rules of MO, I must say), but that is how situation looked to me before your comments. Please retract your statement about having doubts about me being sincere, call me something else if you wish." CreationDate="2019-05-14T08:10:56.480" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20034" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="@sch, 1) I've been here over nine years now, and there are still things I get wrong about how this place works, so I am sympathetic to your defense of innocent by reason of ignorance about MO. 2) I didn't call you a liar; the farthest I went was to suggest that your actions cast doubt on your sincerity, which I think is several steps short of calling you a liar. But I'm willing to retract that suggestion, as I view with favor the effort you have made to improve your question on main." CreationDate="2019-05-14T09:14:03.110" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20058" PostId="4215" Score="2" Text="Since I was the only person who posted an answer to this question, which I'll fully admit was not an answer, but a step 0-attempt at clarification, I want to mention why I did this.  At some point, I remember someone saying a suitable mathoverflow question is a question concerning mathematics which you'd be comfortable asking at a math tea in a mathematics department.  This seems to be obviously false, but I don't want to start a war.  More so, I'm curious if there is a forum where this mantra is taken seriously, and is actually frequented by mathematicians." CreationDate="2019-05-16T15:57:50.277" UserId="49247" />
  <row Id="20059" PostId="4215" Score="1" Text="This issue is reflected by something that I view as inevitable, but still unsettling, which is that the mathematical prestige of the poster can effect the perceived quality of the question, which I'm sure is a topic that's been beaten to death in here, though I don't frequent the meta, so I'm just ignorant.  Anyway, my point is not that we should tighten the rules, and delete every question that has even a hint of speculation, but that letting a question that has some speculation survive might not totally destroy the community.  Nonetheless, moderating is hard, and I'm not doing it..." CreationDate="2019-05-16T16:02:23.343" UserId="49247" />
  <row Id="20064" PostId="4215" Score="2" Text="@AndySanders Something like that mantra used to be true in the early days of MO, but I think you're right it no longer holds water. The more frequently cited mantra these days is &quot;questions should be research level&quot;. Now that can mean many things to many people, and the mantra can serve different purposes, some useful, some arguably harmful. But for speculative questions, I think it could mean that the poster should put in some hard thought into the question first. I think my main inner gripe about the original question is that it was lazy, requiring an answer to do a lot of work for the OP." CreationDate="2019-05-18T00:01:58.383" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20068" PostId="4215" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble Thank you very much for this clarification, and I agree that under the mantra &quot;should be research level&quot; the question we're discussing is likely too speculative and/or imprecise.  I feel like generally most questions are closed because they either don't make any sense, or are obvious quackery, or are real questions, but obviously not research level.  This question was a little bit different, in that I think it's an interesting question which could receive interesting answers (not mine), but I understand one must draw a line somewhere." CreationDate="2019-05-18T17:32:01.530" UserId="49247" />
  <row Id="20037" PostId="4217" Score="27" Text="Let me reiterate, as a moderator on MSE, that MSE is *not* the garbage dump of MO. Not everything should go there, or could go there. And to cite the SE directive &quot;Do not migrate crap&quot;." CreationDate="2019-05-14T21:44:19.400" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20038" PostId="4217" Score="6" Text="This is to some extent related: [When we close questions and suggest MSE, should we link to their How to Ask?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4168). (BTW I think that the ([meta-tag:math-stackexchange]) tag might be suitable also here - similarly at in the linked question.)" CreationDate="2019-05-15T03:00:33.717" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20039" PostId="4217" Score="13" Text="@AsafKaragila Yeah, but with the amount of junk floating there every hour, I feel like the posts mindlessly transferred from MO contribute to the overall pollution there about as much as a cup of coffee spilled into the river next to the sewer pipe." CreationDate="2019-05-15T03:16:25.433" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="20041" PostId="4217" Score="11" Text="Also, as pointed out in the comment to the linked question, even if the user click &amp;quot;thoughtlessly&amp;quot; on the link, on MSE they will be shown [How to Ask Page](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/ask/advice) before asking the first question. (This was result of [this discussion](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21512). A similar feature [doesn't work on MO](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3386).) Of course, it's quite plausible that user who posted non-research level question here tend not to read instructions - after all they posted here without checking what this site is for." CreationDate="2019-05-15T04:01:29.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20044" PostId="4217" Score="1" Text="I don't see a need for a hardcoded way to suggest posting a question at Math.SE. Individual suggestions can be made in comments. -- And why not going a step further -- i.e. wouldn't just two close reasons &quot;off-topic&quot; and &quot;no longer relevant&quot; be sufficient -- where &quot;off-topic&quot; closure is only applicable to questions with no or only relatively new answers, and causes existing answers to be deleted immediately and the question to be deleted after some time if it is not reopened, and &quot;no longer relevant&quot; closure keeps everything intact and has no negative implications or connotation whatsoever?" CreationDate="2019-05-15T09:23:14.733" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20045" PostId="4217" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl sometimes, just sometimes, a closed off-topic question is reopened, and at that point, should the deleted answers be undeleted? Should the authors of those questions be able to see them in the meantime?" CreationDate="2019-05-15T10:48:42.987" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20049" PostId="4217" Score="3" Text="@MartinSleziak :  My &quot;click thoughtlessly&quot; was meant to refer to the vote-to-closers who choose this reason, not to the users who follow up on it.  I will edit to clarify." CreationDate="2019-05-15T13:51:16.923" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20054" PostId="4217" Score="5" Text="Is it possible for us to add explanatory text to the list seen by reviewers?  Something like &quot;Please do not click this button unless you think that that this question complies with the guidelines for MSE&quot; (with link)." CreationDate="2019-05-16T08:53:35.087" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="20055" PostId="4217" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts When a question is reopened, the answers would of course be undeleted then (or at least it would seem strange to me if they would not ...). As to visibility of answers to authors of the questions, I don't see a reason to deviate from how things are now for deleted answers." CreationDate="2019-05-16T10:16:09.977" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20056" PostId="4217" Score="2" Text="What about adding more sites in the option &quot;This question belongs on another site in the Stack Exchange network&quot;, e.g. scicomp, cstheory, academia?" CreationDate="2019-05-16T10:28:55.573" UserId="125498" />
  <row Id="20057" PostId="4217" Score="2" Text="@Bullet51 The suggestion to add more outgoing migration paths seems to be orthogonal to what is discussed here. Moreover, there already have been several posts on meta about this. So that I do not digress too much from the topic at hand, I have listed a few such posts in the [MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2019/5/16)," CreationDate="2019-05-16T13:56:49.640" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20069" PostId="4217" Score="7" Text="The rule I try to follow is (1) If I think the question is a good question, just not appropriate for the site, vote to migrate. (2) If I think the question needs to be rewritten, but would be fine when rewritten, vote &quot;see math.stackexchange.com...&quot;. (3) If I doubt the question can ever be rewritten to a good question, vote &quot;this question is not about research-level mathematics...&quot;. It seems from considering the comments here that this is still a fairly reasonable policy. For the linked question, it's of type (3), so I would vote with the majority." CreationDate="2019-05-18T21:58:02.613" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="20070" PostId="4217" Score="1" Text="Part of the reason for this is the current close messages are giving information by omission, which is probably not obvious to the asker. If I have the power to (vote to) move your question to another website, but instead tell you to ask future questions on that website, it probably means your current question is not good enough for that website. If I could tell you to go to another website, but instead tell you to leave this website, it probably means your current question is even worse than that." CreationDate="2019-05-18T22:04:33.183" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="20071" PostId="4217" Score="5" Text="I wonder if the close reasons could be changed slightly to make this more clear (if others use them in a similar way to me). They shouldn't be rude, but the non-migrating ones could be a little more forceful about the need to improve the question than they are now." CreationDate="2019-05-18T22:08:31.337" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="20072" PostId="4217" Score="2" Text="@NeilStrickland If a question does comply with the guidelines for MSE, shouldn't one click the migrate option instead of that one? Or should migration only be for questions that exceed the expectations of the guidelines of MSE?" CreationDate="2019-05-18T22:09:59.153" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="20078" PostId="4217" Score="1" Text="One problem about migration is that the process to migrate is somewhat unclear to unexperienced users. The meaning of &quot;belongs on another StackEchange site&quot; was very cryptic to me and I understood it only after a while (the meaning of &quot;belong on&quot; is not obvious to non native English speakers — I initially interpreted this as &quot;belongs to another StackEchange site&quot; which makes little sense). Confusion increased by the &quot;See MathSE for general question in math&quot; option." CreationDate="2019-05-19T11:33:17.047" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20079" PostId="4217" Score="8" Text="As regards the OP's question, the main absurdity is that the choice between &quot;*This question does not appear to be about research level mathematics within the scope defined in the help center*&quot; and &quot;*MathOverflow is for mathematicians to ask each other questions about their research. See Math.StackExchange to ask general questions in mathematics.*&quot; is just senseless. None contradicts the other. Ticks &quot;*I'm voting to close because*&quot;, but &quot;*See Math.StackExchange to ask general questions in mathematics*&quot; is not a cause for closing, but a message to the OP of the closed question." CreationDate="2019-05-19T11:38:24.563" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20151" PostId="4217" Score="1" Text="Here is a question from 2013 discussing wording of the close reasons: [Revamping the closure reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1193). Other [posts linked there](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/1193) seem to be related, too." CreationDate="2019-05-24T05:56:29.813" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20202" PostId="4217" Score="1" Text="For what it's worth, as a direct result of this question, I have switched from automatically flagging almost all sub-research-level questions for migration to [MSE](http://math.stackexchange.com) to thinking more carefully about whether they are of an appropriate level for this site." CreationDate="2019-06-02T02:10:16.960" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="20222" PostId="4217" Score="0" Text="@LSpice :  Thank you." CreationDate="2019-06-02T14:05:18.027" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="27369" PostId="4217" Score="0" Text="Just in case somebody stumbles upon this post, I will mention that the MO mods recently request some feedback from the MO community regarding the custom close reasons: [Revamping the closure reasons in 2022](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5327)." CreationDate="2022-05-28T11:51:20.117" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20052" PostId="4219" Score="2" Text="The m.se target actually seems to be https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3227177/what-can-be-p0-when-px21-px21-and-px-is-polynomial" CreationDate="2019-05-16T03:07:35.887" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20051" PostId="4221" Score="2" Text="You could try typing *keyword wonderich site:mathoverflow.net* into Google." CreationDate="2019-05-16T02:57:57.853" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20053" PostId="4221" Score="3" Text="To me, the tag ([meta-tag:support]) seems more suitable for this question than ([meta-tag:discussion])." CreationDate="2019-05-16T04:05:40.597" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20060" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="When I use `user:me` I get a different result from `user:27004`, Your answer is therefore wrong, misleading, and very unhelpful!!! :-P" CreationDate="2019-05-17T12:15:59.930" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20061" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I have added a clarification. Of course, if you still consider the answer unhelpful, that's what downvotes are for." CreationDate="2019-05-17T12:40:08.227" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20065" PostId="4224" Score="0" Text="How is that going to work? Bounties go to the person who answered a question. Moreover, bounties are to some extent publication costs, they are taken as the price for extra promotion of the question." CreationDate="2019-05-18T08:15:13.470" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20066" PostId="4224" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila so the alternative option would be to derive a question from the answer, e.g. asking for deciding about the correctness of the answer and then offering a bounty; would that be an acceptable way of rewarding the effort of checking a proposed solution?" CreationDate="2019-05-18T09:36:32.743" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="20067" PostId="4224" Score="4" Text="you could just offer a bounty to that question, with an explanation on how you will decide to award it (i.e. not to any arbitrary answer, but to an answer that follows up on your own). If someone adds an answer to the question that validates your own answer you award the bounty to that answer." CreationDate="2019-05-18T11:46:45.760" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="20073" PostId="4224" Score="1" Text="&quot;there was no reaction whatsoever&quot; And what kind of reaction would you expect? I liked the pictures but I wouldn't say I understood the argument (actually, I cannot even tell if any argument was there and if it was, what exactly it proved). So what should I say?" CreationDate="2019-05-19T02:40:34.810" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="20075" PostId="4224" Score="1" Text="@fedja I would have appreciated a comment saying exactly that: that my answer is unclear and maybe even saying whether certain parts are unclear or if the entire answer isn't clear. Maybe others don't like such feedback to an answer, but I for my part wanted to contribute to the solution of the problem and thus also appreciate &quot;negative&quot; feedback. A different kind of feedback I'd appreciate would be to express skepticism about the correctness/usability of the answer and indicating whether demonstrating the correct solution of certain testinstances is awaited." CreationDate="2019-05-19T05:46:11.540" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="20080" PostId="4225" Score="4" Text="Voted to migration on meta." CreationDate="2019-05-19T22:41:08.490" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20081" PostId="4225" Score="1" Text="@YCor I was hoping to get some extra attention here because they require 60 followers for the next phases. Also, I am not sure if this fits at Meta-MO because we are not requesting any changes to MO, unless you had some ideas." CreationDate="2019-05-19T22:43:30.450" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20082" PostId="4225" Score="0" Text="I see 3 votes to close. Any suggestions on improving this post? I will try to apply them. I think this post fits here because it requests the support of the math research community in creating a new SE site." CreationDate="2019-05-19T23:13:16.927" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20083" PostId="4225" Score="4" Text="This post assumes the (laudable) world view that we (= mathematicians) are all in this together, so we identify problems and projects, share them widely, and work on them. If you solve a problem today that I might have solved tomorrow, why, then so much the better. After all, it's just the math that matters. This seems indeed the only view of the whole enterprise that can be justified with a clear conscience. Needless to say, the real world is quite different, though." CreationDate="2019-05-19T23:36:30.827" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="20084" PostId="4225" Score="1" Text="That is a fair opinion and so one don't have to share her/his research problems and approaches if she/he don't want to. But many professors have backlogs of problems and ideas on attacking them that they or their graduate student will not solve in their lifetime. This will be a good compliment to the OpenGarden site where already many problems are shared." CreationDate="2019-05-19T23:42:32.740" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20085" PostId="4225" Score="0" Text="But we don't understand why they want to close this post. We need some exposure in the math research community to get the SE proposal going. Can someone explain this?" CreationDate="2019-05-19T23:43:11.073" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20087" PostId="4225" Score="0" Text="Can someone explain the downvotes? What is going on?" CreationDate="2019-05-19T23:48:15.793" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20088" PostId="4225" Score="3" Text="I support this proposal. I tried to follow the link in it, filled my e-mail address but have not received the e-mail." CreationDate="2019-05-19T23:58:52.650" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="20089" PostId="4225" Score="0" Text="How it would be different from Polymath?" CreationDate="2019-05-20T01:40:58.533" UserId="22389" />
  <row Id="20091" PostId="4225" Score="2" Text="It will be parallel to it. The SE version will serve as a large database for the research problems out there and their corresponding approaches. The OpenGarden will be the more monitored and formal version to avoid the ambiguities from the SE version. The SE version will serve as the place for the raw input of research problems and approaches." CreationDate="2019-05-20T01:43:49.577" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20095" PostId="4225" Score="2" Text="These votes before migration to metaMO were not closing votes, but migration votes (SE accounts migration votes as closing votes, which is questionable)." CreationDate="2019-05-20T03:49:45.600" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20096" PostId="4225" Score="1" Text="&quot;I am not sure if this fits at Meta-MO because we are not requesting any changes to MO&quot; It's not MO either, since there doesn't seem to be a *question*, only a *request* (whether good or bad that's not really appropriate for MO). This is closer to meta than to MO-proper." CreationDate="2019-05-20T04:07:02.500" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="20098" PostId="4225" Score="7" Text="@ChristianRemling **&quot;Needless to say, the real world is quite different, though&quot;** The real world is just what we make it. If we prefer some alternative rules of the game, we can just try to follow them and see if we can attract enough players or whether we can afford playing by them alone. I have some technical concerns, but I'll not voice them at this stage. Still, if we want to talk about the ABC conjecture and Navier-Stokes here, we'd better have some new ideas before posting them." CreationDate="2019-05-20T04:29:10.697" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="20101" PostId="4225" Score="14" Text="Why do you think the Stack Exchange Q&amp;A format is suitable for this project? Personally I don't think it's the most appropriate one." CreationDate="2019-05-20T08:40:18.473" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="20102" PostId="4225" Score="4" Text="It seems that proposal is already closed." CreationDate="2019-05-20T11:54:23.757" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="20106" PostId="4225" Score="1" Text="@Poloni The SE version of OpenGarden will serve as the raw input of individual research problems. There each research post will be debated for clarity and also used for updates and approaches. This is already commonplace in MO where many posts are seeking updates on unsolved problems." CreationDate="2019-05-20T19:52:49.047" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20148" PostId="4225" Score="0" Text="&quot;One research problem per post&quot; --- what does this mean? What is the definition of a research problem, and how does one draw any sort of boundary between problems? What about special cases, extensions, or weak generalizations of problems?" CreationDate="2019-05-23T20:36:37.827" UserId="88133" />
  <row Id="20152" PostId="4225" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni The format may not be ideal, but has two  things going for it. FIrst, StackEnchange is very polished, second the network has already attracted a lot of users. A site such as this would not have very much value unless actual mathematicians are contributing to it, the way they are already currently contributing to MO. AFAIK, MO is quite unique in that it was the first site to gather the contribution of many working mathematicians, even at very high level. Reusing the network and the user friendly site may be better than developing a new site more tailored for this use case" CreationDate="2019-05-24T09:17:37.017" UserId="828" />
  <row Id="20153" PostId="4225" Score="1" Text="Moreover, one could have a post per problem and an answer per suggested approach/related result that gives partial  progress. It seems like it could work more or less" CreationDate="2019-05-24T09:19:29.847" UserId="828" />
  <row Id="20086" PostId="4226" Score="1" Text="These are great too especially in their neat bibliography. I think the SE version of it will be more focused on discussions and updates. Also, it will be less formal since anyone with an account can post." CreationDate="2019-05-19T22:52:47.900" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20090" PostId="4226" Score="0" Text="@O'Rourke If you like our proposal, I would greatly appreciate if you can click follow as well." CreationDate="2019-05-20T01:41:01.337" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20092" PostId="4226" Score="8" Text="Is the Open Problem Garden a serious active website? The author page http://www.openproblemgarden.org/author is full of spam links about payday loans, so moderation there needs serious work." CreationDate="2019-05-20T02:40:35.393" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="20147" PostId="4226" Score="2" Text="Another one is &quot;SciLag&quot; https://www.scilag.net. It seems to be new; I haven't looked into it. It was mentioned in an answer to https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4125/publicizing-conjectures-on-mo." CreationDate="2019-05-23T20:34:08.443" UserId="88133" />
  <row Id="20093" PostId="4227" Score="4" Text="This SE site will serve as a raw database of research problems posted as Wiki. Therefore, even if the original author is long gone, the research problem post will continue to be updated till the conjecture is proved." CreationDate="2019-05-20T03:23:29.027" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20094" PostId="4227" Score="1" Text="It will be similar to the OpenGarden project (which is also author independent) but less formal because anyone with an account can post. The OpenGarden project will be the formal version that removes any ambiguities from the research problems." CreationDate="2019-05-20T03:25:34.393" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20104" PostId="4227" Score="2" Text="but then MathOverflow is also not needed, a creative use of mailing groups would have sufficed (I am not an equal of Mr. Paseman in creativity, so I will let him figure out if that would suffice or not). Very few things are actually needed if you allow creativity to replace convenience." CreationDate="2019-05-20T16:52:34.477" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20105" PostId="4227" Score="0" Text="@schematic_boi, there is a trade-off between creativity and convenience, but there are also gradations of necessity.  I would argue that mailing groups would not give rise to as large community  as StackExchange and MathOverflow have done. Thomas does not need to create a community so much as he needs to divert one. My suggestion has the advantage that less diversion is needed.  Gerhard &quot;And Less Subversion And Conversion&quot; Paseman, 2019.05.20." CreationDate="2019-05-20T17:10:30.797" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20107" PostId="4227" Score="2" Text="@Paseman OpenGarden and OpenProblems are independent projects of MO and all three with a community of their own that overlap. If one doesn't want to contribute their research problems and ideas to the SE version of OpenGarden, they don't have to." CreationDate="2019-05-20T19:55:49.943" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20108" PostId="4227" Score="1" Text="@Paseman Also the issue is not about demand in the math community for this sort of database, as much as it is convenience and ease of use. MO and math SE are great at promoting posts and inviting everyone to contribute.  OpenGardens and OpenProblems could use the extra attention that an SE version of them would create." CreationDate="2019-05-20T19:58:24.943" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20103" PostId="4228" Score="2" Text="A related older discussion: [Answering not research level questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1318)." CreationDate="2019-05-20T14:36:40.707" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20109" PostId="4228" Score="1" Text="For the specific example behind the link,  a better way to handle it would have been to comment why it was off-topic (my reason would be that it contradicts Gelfond-Schneider by work tantamount to an undergraduate exercise) and let others in the community vote to close.  I am glad to see the answer anyway.  Gerhard &quot;It's Good To Have Reasons&quot; Paseman, 2019.05.20." CreationDate="2019-05-20T20:18:17.523" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20134" PostId="4228" Score="2" Text="Well, I said that the question was not enough &quot;obviously off-topic&quot; to blame the person who posted an answer. Of course this is a bit subjective, but there's no need to formalize a policy about when it should be blamed and when it shouldn't. Also I wouldn't say it's not &quot;allowed&quot; to answer off-topic questions, it's just not recommended, and this of course depends on one's ability to anticipate that the question will be possibly/certainly closed as off-topic. In this particular case, the question could also have been migrated to MathSE, and the good answer would have been too." CreationDate="2019-05-22T16:43:29.680" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20136" PostId="4229" Score="2" Text="First this is unclear, saying &quot;this camp&quot; with no clear referent -- perhaps it means the &quot;other camps&quot; as opposed to the &quot;one camp&quot;. Then it follows &quot;Be Nice&quot; with an example suggesting not worrying about niceness. Then it violates the policy on signatures and taglines, in this case not even creatively. Gerhard, you can do better than this." CreationDate="2019-05-22T22:03:37.847" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="20138" PostId="4229" Score="0" Text="@MattF.  *Then it violates the policy on signatures and taglines* Erm... And what is &quot;the policy on signatures and taglines&quot;? I don't think I've ever heard of it before. Perhaps, I'm violating it too and, probably, not creatively as well. That's fine with me but it makes me rather curious :-)" CreationDate="2019-05-23T01:25:48.323" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="20139" PostId="4229" Score="4" Text="@fedja, https://mathoverflow.net/help/behavior. “Do not use signature, taglines, or greetings” is in bold just after “Be nice”." CreationDate="2019-05-23T06:25:51.580" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="20122" PostId="4231" Score="5" Text="I know nothing about Hodge theory or resolution of singularities, but one thing is clear: once your suggested edit was rejected, the appropriate raction is not to push it with more edits, but to start a discussion in the comments about the suggestions." CreationDate="2019-05-22T06:15:49.930" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="20123" PostId="4231" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek how do you do that, exactly? If you are not a mod or anything, can you tag people who did not post comments in the comments?" CreationDate="2019-05-22T06:32:06.800" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20124" PostId="4231" Score="3" Text="Do not make the discussion about people, but about the subject." CreationDate="2019-05-22T07:12:25.330" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="20126" PostId="4231" Score="4" Text="But the decision to accept or reject the edit is done by the reviewers. They are most probably not going to read it if you do not tag them. I am therefore skeptical that your suggestion is helpful." CreationDate="2019-05-22T07:41:49.270" UserDisplayName="user138661" />
  <row Id="20130" PostId="4231" Score="3" Text="It makes no difference if the original reviewers see the discussion or not. Someone will. If the consensus of the discussion will be to make an edit, someone can probably do it directly, but even if not, it is unlikely that the new reviewers would challenge it." CreationDate="2019-05-22T14:54:03.797" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="20141" PostId="4233" Score="0" Text="What Navier-Stokes and other stuff are you talking about? I've never mentioned any of these... I agree with the rest of your answer, adding only that having a handful other enthusiastic, committed users is also needed, which is why I've proposed this thing. Also note that this was more than four years ago, right now my own enthusiasm and time is less to manage such a project, though I would be  happy to participate to some extent." CreationDate="2019-05-23T09:21:40.520" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="20143" PostId="4233" Score="0" Text="@domotorp Ah, sorry, I didn't realize that was by you and not by Thomas. My apologies, should be more attentive. Deleting that part. :-)" CreationDate="2019-05-23T13:01:13.250" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="20154" PostId="4233" Score="0" Text="@fedja Most of the time mathematicians spend their time being stuck. The SE version of OpenGarden will serve as a years-long record of various comments and approaches. The post of a problem might be open long after the original author has retired." CreationDate="2019-05-24T14:54:16.333" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20155" PostId="4233" Score="0" Text="@fedja Also, we agree that good posts should be about concrete subproblems accessible by specialists (as opposed to general big problems), but also by other area mathematicians who might notice some similarities with their body of results." CreationDate="2019-05-24T14:55:34.090" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20156" PostId="4233" Score="0" Text="There is a clear demand for such a record of open problems and approaches that is not stuffed inside papers. So sooner or later we will create this." CreationDate="2019-05-24T14:57:18.443" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="20140" PostId="4234" Score="5" Text="I consider this to be excellent advice, not only for this site but also usually for life in general." CreationDate="2019-05-23T06:40:06.843" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="20142" PostId="4235" Score="0" Text="&quot;I have recently seen&quot; - got any links?" CreationDate="2019-05-23T12:51:03.283" UserDisplayName="user140765" />
  <row Id="20144" PostId="4235" Score="2" Text="I have several in mind, but on purpose didn't include then to avoid focussing the discussion to such particular cases (but they are mostly closed)." CreationDate="2019-05-23T13:14:22.253" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20145" PostId="4235" Score="4" Text="OK, I see. But then it is very hard to understand what you are asking about if there are no examples. Can you include (a short approximation of) an example of what you have in mind in your question then?" CreationDate="2019-05-23T13:16:04.823" UserDisplayName="user140765" />
  <row Id="20146" PostId="4235" Score="5" Text="@kartop_man A bit simplified (and pure invention), but &quot;*Topologists seem to consider that algebra is crap, and algebraists understand nothing to algebra. Are there any connections between algebra and topology?*&quot; Well a more realistic example should be rather 20-line long; also here the question by itself would be closed as too broad, but this is a sample... Maybe another &quot;*Gromov was the first to see a connection between groups and geometry. [Insert here a reasonable question]?*&quot;." CreationDate="2019-05-23T13:25:56.770" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20158" PostId="4235" Score="2" Text="This sentiment is understandable, but I think the type of opinion based questions you're discussing here have a place on MO. I've seen it expressed by moderators that MO is meant to be viewed as an online 'tea-room' of sorts for professional mathematical discussion; the majority of what gets discussed over tea is good hard mathematics, but we sometimes turn towards softer topics like how we perceive our own discipline or others, and I enjoy that human side of things -- I would be sad to see it go." CreationDate="2019-05-27T03:42:37.497" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="20159" PostId="4235" Score="4" Text="@AlecRhea I don't mean every question expressing an opinion to be closed. Especially if this opinion is clearly stated as an opinion. I mean cases where the bias is too strong/polemical to make the question reasonable, or likely to concentrate all the answers on these polemical aspects rather than on the question. The limit does not have to be defined very formally, it would be determined by closing votes. Actually I think it's not likely to change the closing votes, but just give a better &quot;closing reason&quot; to such votes than &quot;*This question does not appear to be about research (...)*&quot;." CreationDate="2019-05-27T07:07:32.557" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20164" PostId="4238" Score="3" Text="Didn't you simply switch to mobile web by mistake? You can choose between full site and mobile version. When in mobile version, scroll to bottom and choose &quot;full site&quot;. Here is a screenshot of the bottom bar in the mobile version: https://i.stack.imgur.com/ZqQht.png" CreationDate="2019-05-29T05:07:14.330" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20165" PostId="4238" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak That did it! Thanks; still getting used to the iPad...." CreationDate="2019-05-29T05:27:48.110" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="20167" PostId="4238" Score="1" Text="I've found that the cookies expire and cause the mobile web version to reappear. You didn't necessarily do anything to switch and since the cookies are set per-device, that's why it only happened in one place." CreationDate="2019-05-30T05:19:29.073" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="20168" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="@Catija: Thank you; I’m pretty sure I “clicked” on something by accident, causing the change. Selecting “full site” as Martin Sleziak suggested has fixed it." CreationDate="2019-05-30T06:45:31.880" UserId="3959" />
  <row Id="20169" PostId="4238" Score="1" Text="Note that in the top-left there is an incognito mode icon, so in this case the culprit is definitely not an expired cookie." CreationDate="2019-05-30T07:25:35.793" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="20176" PostId="4238" Score="1" Text="@Catija: I kinda wish there was a global server-side setting to disable mobile and responsive interfaces globally. I hate it that I have to do it for each site separately every time..." CreationDate="2019-05-31T09:31:46.640" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20166" PostId="4239" Score="2" Text="I have posted this so that the question does not remain unanswered. I should add a caveat that I do not use MO on any mobile devices - so users who have more experience with them might be able to say more about this." CreationDate="2019-05-29T05:49:35.017" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20173" PostId="4240" Score="1" Text="I have retagged the question with ([meta-tag:support]) since it seems to be asking basically how bounties on the self-answered questions work. However, if you feel that the tag is relevant there, feel free to put the ([meta-tag:discussion]) tag back." CreationDate="2019-05-31T04:59:53.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20198" PostId="4240" Score="0" Text="need some cash for bounty! That is the conclusion." CreationDate="2019-06-01T15:20:05.043" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="20200" PostId="4240" Score="1" Text="I don't mean real cash. I mean if I could get a couple of upvotes, I have enough points to start a bounty. by cash I mean points (rep)&#xA;I just used cash as funny alternative name for rep points. I myself am a poor man!" CreationDate="2019-06-01T16:00:56.477" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="20174" PostId="4241" Score="1" Text="However, I see from your previous posts on meta that you are aware that the minimum bounty amount is 100 reputation points in such situations: [Why I see “question eligible for bounty since 1 hour ago” and not “start bounty” button](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2760#2761). So it's possible that I have misunderstood what you're asking about." CreationDate="2019-05-31T05:12:46.593" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20175" PostId="4241" Score="1" Text="Oops, that was 3 years back. I should have seen it should have remembered. This is same as that question." CreationDate="2019-05-31T06:13:16.807" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="20224" PostId="4249" Score="3" Text="1. Yes. 2. No. 3. No.  If a number of questions are posted publicly with the result that more mathematics is considered and created, and the basic mission of the forum is fulfilled, then we should not care who posts them. Ultimately, it does not matter about the responsiveness of the poster so much as the responsiveness of the community.  Since the information provided is widely accessible, I could try to make a thesis out of it if I were so inclined.  Would you be as concerned if this were a syndicate and not an individual?  Gerhard &quot;Would Cite MathOverflow, Of Course&quot; Paseman, 2019.06.02." CreationDate="2019-06-02T15:48:45.733" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20225" PostId="4249" Score="18" Text="@GerhardPaseman:  I  am mildly annoyed that I took the time to answer one of these questions when I could have spent my time thinking about a different question that someone actually cared about.  One sometimes answers  a question in the hope that the answer will interest someone.  These particular questions mostly seem unlikely to matter much to anybody but the OP.  Now that it appears that they also don't matter to the  OP, I feel like I wasted a (very small amount of) my time.  I am presumably not the only one." CreationDate="2019-06-02T15:56:51.333" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20227" PostId="4249" Score="4" Text="Your feelings and impressions are important. So you should talk about those. Would you feel you wasted time if someone else engaged with you about your answer?  Gerhard &quot;I Feel This Is Important&quot; Paseman, 2019.06.02." CreationDate="2019-06-02T16:14:53.203" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20229" PostId="4249" Score="4" Text="I believe concern 3 (let the MO community write your thesis/paper) is not unique to unregistered users. I can remember registered users using MO for asking slowly evolving questions on one and the same topic over and over again and not doing anything else here." CreationDate="2019-06-02T23:31:32.830" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="20238" PostId="4249" Score="3" Text="regarding question 1, I am not sure how exactly are the IP addresses registered but at some large math departments (at large state universities in U.S., for example) there can be potentially more than 3 people who at some point of their careers wish to anonymously contribute to MO. In the current situation, it seems that only questions are being asked while the valuable anonymous contributors tend to give answers; this distinction might be useful." CreationDate="2019-06-03T13:51:29.753" UserDisplayName="user74900" />
  <row Id="20239" PostId="4249" Score="4" Text="regarding question 3, I am not convinced we should care about the nefarious intents of the anonymous user. In the past, Anton Geraschenko has stated, I think, that MO is not responsible for somehow banning people who cheat on homework, it is only responsible for maintaining its own quality standards. If they do publish a plagiarized paper or thesis and you happen to notice it, you can in private capacity notify the relevant university but I do not think that MO as a community has to care (given Anton's earlier stance on a similar issue)." CreationDate="2019-06-03T13:54:23.793" UserDisplayName="user74900" />
  <row Id="20240" PostId="4249" Score="1" Text="you can deal with the questions individually, if some of them are really low-effort to the point of being incomprehensible, just flag them (or what is the usual procedure?). No new ideas needed here. If you feel like there is a consistent stream of really bad question, a suspension on the IP address might be instituted, I think that is possible in terms of technical means." CreationDate="2019-06-03T13:56:38.017" UserDisplayName="user74900" />
  <row Id="20241" PostId="4249" Score="0" Text="I agree with you that one special feature of this case might be that even if the anonymous user happens to ask a reasonable question and they happen to receive a reasonable answer, they won't accept the answer and thus the system is going to send this question to the front page sometimes. Though I personally think it is the weird behaviour of the Community user that is at fault here (never really understood why they built the software this way, it also causes some issues with the big-list questions I think)." CreationDate="2019-06-03T14:00:05.583" UserDisplayName="user74900" />
  <row Id="20242" PostId="4249" Score="7" Text="@cardinal Actually, as soon as one of the answers has score at least one, the question is no longer bumped by community user. It is not necessary that the question actually has an accepted answer. Some links with the basic info on community user can be found [in the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-user/info). There was also an older question on this meta that touches on purpose of bumps by the community user: [Auto-bumping of unanswered questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2999)." CreationDate="2019-06-03T15:02:07.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20243" PostId="4249" Score="7" Text="I will just add that [the linked discussion](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3240) was specifically about registering for asking questions (not posting answers). While it is true that registration might scare of some users, it's probably still better than if they later find out that they no longer have access to their account. Probably I should have stressed this aspect back then, too. (On Meta Stack Exchanges you can find [more details about cookie-based accounts](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/44557/why-should-i-register-my-account/44562#44562).)" CreationDate="2019-06-03T15:29:14.640" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20274" PostId="4249" Score="1" Text="Wouldn't it mostly solve the problem without doing any significant harm if posts of new or unregistered users would be [shadow banned](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning) until successfully having passed the &quot;First Posts&quot;- / &quot;Low Quality Posts&quot;- and questions also the &quot;Close Votes&quot; review queue?" CreationDate="2019-06-06T10:46:24.493" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20296" PostId="4249" Score="0" Text="What is an &quot;unregistered account&quot; with a user name? I'd have guess that being &quot;registered&quot; means having a user account. So having an unregistered account with a user name seems oxymoronic. $\qquad$" CreationDate="2019-06-09T02:48:49.063" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="20297" PostId="4249" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHardy you see Michael, when you register you have to confirm your e-mail by clicking on a confirmation link. Unregistered accounts are the accounts created when you are not logged in any registered account and ask a question or post an answer. You have to pick a username when doing so, and afterwards you can confirm your e-mail, so your unregistered account becomes registered. So no oxymorons here." CreationDate="2019-06-09T07:43:42.943" UserDisplayName="user141498" />
  <row Id="20320" PostId="4249" Score="1" Text="regarding 3, it seems to me that the activity in question involves bots, and not only real people typing questions..." CreationDate="2019-06-12T16:20:02.127" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20246" PostId="4251" Score="13" Text="Thank you for being on top of this." CreationDate="2019-06-03T22:15:06.063" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20247" PostId="4251" Score="13" Text="Seconded. Thank you not just for acting, but for posting this answer to clarify for those who might not have seen the recent activity" CreationDate="2019-06-03T22:56:50.310" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20271" PostId="4251" Score="4" Text="If I understand correctly, these are all unregistered accounts. These can't vote." CreationDate="2019-06-05T06:50:02.560" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20272" PostId="4251" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila It's a mix of registered and unregistered. Moreover, unregistered accounts can engage in shenanigans, as I explained in my answer." CreationDate="2019-06-05T10:15:02.347" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20279" PostId="4251" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble You should probably blockquote the profile text as it could change at any time (or the user might get deleted)" CreationDate="2019-06-06T12:57:38.083" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20280" PostId="4251" Score="4" Text="@YemonChoi Thanks for the suggestion!" CreationDate="2019-06-06T13:00:26.890" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20290" PostId="4251" Score="0" Text="after visiting your link to the meta stackexchange, I only see two potential issues here. First is the system adding 50 reputation points to any bounty automatically (thus you can generate rep from nothing, but posting a bounty and giving an answer from another account). Second you can use this to avoid the reputation cap of max 200 points per day. The first point appears to be moot at this moment (i.e. 50 points are no longer being added). The second point is potentially relevant but none of the &quot;... Path&quot; accounts are using the bounties to transfer the reputation to any other accounts." CreationDate="2019-06-07T18:55:40.767" UserDisplayName="user141498" />
  <row Id="20291" PostId="4251" Score="1" Text="So I think the community management actually reviewed a case different from the one you are considering and the promised behaviour is cool." CreationDate="2019-06-07T18:57:04.927" UserDisplayName="user141498" />
  <row Id="20311" PostId="4251" Score="15" Text="I want to publicly voice my support for a policy of forcibly deleting these accounts as they arise, if the moderators find that action warranted." CreationDate="2019-06-11T23:23:47.613" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20315" PostId="4251" Score="4" Text="@StevenLandsburg Thanks for your support. Such an option is on the table." CreationDate="2019-06-12T10:37:01.513" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20319" PostId="4251" Score="4" Text="[One of the users mentioned](https://mathoverflow.net/users/141770/phd) has recently posted a 100 rep bounty on a question and I'm confused as to how they've got the reputation for that. According to their profile it comes from the association bonus, but there are no signs of their activity on other SE sites either." CreationDate="2019-06-12T14:43:52.817" UserId="30186" />
  <row Id="20337" PostId="4251" Score="5" Text="@Wojowu This mystery is explained in the comment thread of https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4261 . The SE software actively assists abusers by making it possible to hide communities from your profile." CreationDate="2019-06-13T08:00:18.673" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="20345" PostId="4251" Score="6" Text="I find it enormously funny that the now deleted account of **user141498**, which is one of the accounts involved in this scheme, joins the conversation and shares some common sense wisdom on the subject with us." CreationDate="2019-06-13T18:10:07.617" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="20488" PostId="4251" Score="4" Text="@ToddTrimble You are probably aware of it, but I will explicitly mention that the link you've included - https://mathoverflow.net/admin/posts-by-deleted-user/141498 - is not visible by regular (non-diamond) users. Regular users can get list of posts from a deleted users using SEDE, as [discussed before on this meta](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3748), this does not include deleted posts. There are some stats about deleted users that might be interesting in connection with this, I have [mentioned some of them in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=query&amp;room=94798)." CreationDate="2019-07-01T05:13:53.310" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20545" PostId="4251" Score="4" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/users/142965/gentbent appears to have acquired an association bonus by responding to trivial questions from https://augur.stackexchange.com/users/1822/maoboa on the Augur stackexchange, getting one upvote each time." CreationDate="2019-07-12T15:37:18.657" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="20552" PostId="4251" Score="4" Text="@RobertFurber yes, and also on a bunch of other sites, making them look reasonably engaged." CreationDate="2019-07-13T00:48:39.947" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20554" PostId="4251" Score="3" Text="In a comment to the question below an unregistered user (?) puts a link to a page where someone explicitly named is accused to be below all this attacks. I am not sure if it is not part of the &quot;conspiracy&quot;... https://mathoverflow.net/questions/335983/bounding-degree-of-closed-points-on-an-affine-scheme-of-finite-type-over-a-field" CreationDate="2019-07-13T08:26:41.900" UserId="24442" />
  <row Id="20555" PostId="4251" Score="3" Text="@Xarles Before that user was deleted, it was possible to see that that comment was posted by an alias of &quot;Asura Path&quot; (who had mysteriously acquired an association bonus without any posts), so we can't take what that site says at face value, since it seems to have been posted by the same person who is creating all these accounts." CreationDate="2019-07-13T12:18:06.393" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="20556" PostId="4251" Score="0" Text="@RobertFurber That it was my guess: it seems that whoever is doing all these posts is trying to accuse another one and even to damage his image." CreationDate="2019-07-13T15:21:26.290" UserId="24442" />
  <row Id="20557" PostId="4251" Score="0" Text="@Xarles yes, it could be some kind of character assassination." CreationDate="2019-07-14T02:22:24.453" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20565" PostId="4251" Score="0" Text="@RobertFurber The current profile of https://math.stackexchange.com/users/684254/asura-path looks odd, in the sense of linking to the site mentioned by Xarles while using a username that is apparently associated with this individual" CreationDate="2019-07-14T20:58:19.160" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20566" PostId="4251" Score="0" Text="To update my last comment, someone contacted me who could corroborate the identity on the curious website with the sockpuppet accounts, since they recalled the original name of user Cardinal was indeed this person's name, and some other interactions with third parties who used the given name." CreationDate="2019-07-15T03:27:16.737" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20569" PostId="4251" Score="2" Text="@GetOffTheInternet seems like Lee Pak decided to delete their question..." CreationDate="2019-07-15T12:04:15.947" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20570" PostId="4251" Score="5" Text="@GetOffTheInternet One likely scenario is that the 'real' Aknazar, having been outed, claims that someone he knows has hacked his account and is maliciously using it to frame him. Then the same Aknazar creates this entity who has it in for him, thereby justifying the claim." CreationDate="2019-07-15T16:52:56.510" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20666" PostId="4251" Score="5" Text="So far I don't think the last two meet the threshold." CreationDate="2019-08-03T22:43:04.230" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20248" PostId="4252" Score="6" Text="I suspect the bounty was offered by a user (perhaps the OP) whose account since then was deleted.  Thus, the ownership of the bounty went to the Community User." CreationDate="2019-06-04T00:41:49.887" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="20249" PostId="4252" Score="3" Text="Joel is correct. More information here: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/196716/bounty-awarded-by-community?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1" CreationDate="2019-06-04T00:44:36.980" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20250" PostId="4252" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @JoelReyesNoche and ToddTrimble.  No need to keep this question open now." CreationDate="2019-06-04T00:57:18.657" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20251" PostId="4252" Score="2" Text="I will add that if you look at the [questions revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/332839/revisions) or [at the timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/332839/timeline) you can see there: &quot;Notice added Authoritative reference needed by user140765.&quot; (Although I am not sure whether this message is still displayed there after the bounty ends.)" CreationDate="2019-06-04T02:15:48.810" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20252" PostId="4252" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: I don't understand what that means." CreationDate="2019-06-04T02:20:37.323" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20253" PostId="4252" Score="2" Text="@StevenLandsburg I was merely pointing out the fact that the username was shown there. When starting a bounty, you can choose one of several bounty remarks - as you can try for yourself if you try to offer bounty, but do not submit it or you can look at the screenshot shown in this answer: [How should bounties be categorized?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/103956#103981). &quot;Authoritative reference needed&quot; is one of the possible choice for bounty reason." CreationDate="2019-06-04T02:31:21.290" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20254" PostId="4252" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble Perhaps this is closed to the question at hand: [When can the community user offer a bounty?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/287611) (The one you linked is about bounty *awarded* by the Community user, this one is about bounty *offered* by the Community user.)" CreationDate="2019-06-04T04:01:49.480" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20267" PostId="4252" Score="1" Text="If I'm correct it was given by the user &quot;*Cut the wood*&quot; before this user complained in this meta post (https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4253/are-the-questions-of-deleted-users-having-no-accepted-answers-to-be-deleted) and then closed this account (which is seemingly one among many others)." CreationDate="2019-06-04T15:48:55.790" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20268" PostId="4252" Score="1" Text="@YCor The bounty was offered by user with id 140765. As far as I can tell from [Google](https://www.google.com/search?q=kartop_man+site%3Amathoverflow.net) and [SEDE](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/revision/1060857/1310319/username-of-a-given-user?num=140765), the username was kartop_man. (Those result will eventually disappear - SEDE after the next update of the data, probably also Google after the crawler looks at a newer version of those pages.) The post you linked shows that &quot;Cut the wood &quot; had userid 141414." CreationDate="2019-06-04T16:12:44.920" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20269" PostId="4252" Score="4" Text="BTW I see bounties from user with id 140765 on questions &#xA;[331860](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/331860/revisions)&#xA;[331917](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/331917/revisions), &#xA;[332839](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/332839/revisions) and &#xA;[330689](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/330689/revisions)." CreationDate="2019-06-04T16:14:59.567" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20302" PostId="4252" Score="4" Text="Also bounties have been cast by two distinct &quot;new&quot; users at questions [333144](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/333144/) and [333039](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/333039/strongly-abnormal-schemes). It's strange that new users with no reputation (no question/answer) can cast such bounties. I don't know if I should post a separate meta question for this sounds as a loophole." CreationDate="2019-06-09T23:08:10.563" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20303" PostId="4252" Score="1" Text="@YCor: I think these users used up their association bonus for the bounty. Although I find it weird that it is not easy to associate their MO accounts with those at other SE sites: for example, user 333144 has apparently a different username at SE, see https://stackexchange.com/users/6543246/stepan-banach?tab=activity." CreationDate="2019-06-10T08:46:05.983" UserId="108637" />
  <row Id="20292" PostId="4255" Score="0" Text="The question makes sense to me, but doesn't it belong at [CSMSE](http://cs.meta.stackexchange.com)?" CreationDate="2019-06-08T15:24:56.483" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="20294" PostId="4255" Score="3" Text="@LSpice I think you meant [Computational Science Meta](https://scicomp.meta.stackexchange.com/). My reason to place the &quot;question&quot; here is to get the response from MathOverflow community - who already has a wonderful tool developed by one of its members. And possibly get the attention of this particular member.  If Scott Morrison does not see this post right away, I will email him next week directly – with a formulated post on MathOverflow Meta and 10 upvotes there is a foundation for discussion." CreationDate="2019-06-08T17:21:56.953" UserId="121862" />
  <row Id="20295" PostId="4255" Score="0" Text="Yes, I apologise for referring to the wrong meta." CreationDate="2019-06-08T17:49:45.327" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="20340" PostId="4255" Score="2" Text="I'm confused by the need for feedback from the MO community. What exactly are you expecting us to tell you? MO has a special clause allowing it to include a bit of homebrewed JavaScript in the code, which is why we can have trackbacks and maintain the script within the community. How would you be able to do that on a different community where this is not allowed? I don't see any reasonable way. Beg SE long enough, maybe they'll give in." CreationDate="2019-06-13T10:15:21.463" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20341" PostId="4255" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila I am not aware of the technical details for this particular implementation of the feature. Hence, the very first bullet point inside my question. Begging SE is useful – and I am also doing that. Part of it is getting the evidence of the need and &quot;universal acclaim&quot;. Hence, this discussion altogether." CreationDate="2019-06-13T10:30:29.250" UserId="121862" />
  <row Id="20361" PostId="4255" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I have to admit that I am not really sure about this, but I thought that the JavaScript entered into MO sites was for [citation helper](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/citation-helper/info) (before it was incorporated by SE into the editor) rather than for [arXiv trackbacks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/trackbacks/info). Certainly there are users around here more qualified than me to say something about this - I'd hope that we'll hear from Scott Morrison at some point." CreationDate="2019-06-19T06:32:47.790" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20281" PostId="4256" Score="3" Text="+1.  Many of the mathematicians who frequent this site, also regularly go to https://hsm.stackexchange.com/ and can answer questions there." CreationDate="2019-06-06T13:36:49.933" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="20352" PostId="4256" Score="2" Text="How many is “many”? I also know some who no longer do." CreationDate="2019-06-14T15:35:47.507" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="20353" PostId="4256" Score="0" Text="@FrancoisZiegler Then I guess that means they are not interested in history questions anymore?" CreationDate="2019-06-14T15:42:17.503" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="20354" PostId="4256" Score="2" Text="Those I have in mind, still are." CreationDate="2019-06-14T15:43:24.260" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="20314" PostId="4258" Score="1" Text="The new incarnation of Asura Path got an association bonus both here (which they spent almost immediately on a bounty) and on math.stackexchange, although I can't see why they qualified on either site." CreationDate="2019-06-12T10:28:45.033" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="20317" PostId="4258" Score="0" Text="Also the second incarnation of “phd” got an association bonus and spent it almost immediately on a bounty, despite apparently being a member of no other SE site to qualify for the bonus." CreationDate="2019-06-12T13:14:34.740" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="20318" PostId="4258" Score="1" Text="It's a bit more difficult how much reputation a *deleted* user earned on MO - that could be used as an estimate whether some of the reputation came from association bonus. I have [tried to created some SEDE queries](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/94798/2019/6/12). For some users we'll have to wait for the next database update - for two users (138661 and 140765 - I saw that they earned enough reputation on MO." CreationDate="2019-06-12T13:39:38.920" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20336" PostId="4258" Score="4" Text="As transpired on https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4261 , it is in fact possible to hide SE communities from someone’s profile. As far as can see, this misfeature is just a recipe for abuse." CreationDate="2019-06-13T07:57:46.873" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="20321" PostId="4259" Score="1" Text="I have created this post partially because sometimes I have seen users reacting to spam in an unusual way (or at least differently from the recommendations in the FAQ). To name just one example, a tag called (spam) was created [a few times in the past](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/883845/deleted-questions-with-a-given-tag?Tagname=spam). See also [recent conversation in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/about-spam-flags-and-spam-users) related to spam." CreationDate="2019-06-12T16:41:16.597" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20322" PostId="4259" Score="1" Text="For these reasons I thought that it might be useful to have some basic info also on meta, not just in [the help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/flag-posts) (where they are mentioned very briefly) and in [the network-wide FAQ](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/58032)." CreationDate="2019-06-12T16:42:07.303" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20323" PostId="4260" Score="1" Text="This answer was made CW with the intention that it is edited by the community - feel free to add further information to the answer if there is something worth adding." CreationDate="2019-06-12T17:04:45.997" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20331" PostId="4260" Score="1" Text="&quot;Editing the spam content out is counterproductive&quot;: you seem to be considering edits made so as to improve it. An edit can be used also: to vandalize/erase a potentially dangerous link (which I find useful – I'd just replaced the link with [erased link]), to remove a tag (which I find unnecessary), to partly hide an offensive statement if it includes names, or any action found to be useful before the spam is deleted." CreationDate="2019-06-13T06:37:56.213" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20339" PostId="4260" Score="1" Text="@YCor I cannot really respond to specific case you mention - since I did not see the post (and I do not see any today's post [among SD reports](https://chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=mathoverflow.net&amp;room=11540) either.) You made a valid point - important thing here is that even *after the edit* other users should be able to clearly recognize that it is a spam post." CreationDate="2019-06-13T09:34:03.360" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20356" PostId="4260" Score="0" Text="What should one do with non-flaggable spam like https://mathoverflow.net/users/141968/yampolskyattorneys?tab=profile ?" CreationDate="2019-06-16T02:09:01.293" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20357" PostId="4260" Score="1" Text="@StevenLandsburg If I understand correctly, you mean spammy links in user profiles rather than in posts? This is (in my opinion) a separate issue and it was discussed on this meta before: [Companies accounts allowed?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3178) and [Flagging spam user](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3487). (Basically the same issue was mentioned also by Tim Campion [in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/about-spam-flags-and-spam-users).)" CreationDate="2019-06-16T04:43:25.477" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20574" PostId="4260" Score="0" Text="@YCor One more disadvantage to editing is that if I see that the most recent activity was by a low rep user, I am very likely to check whether the post needs attention. (New users often need help with MathJax, tagging, etc. Post by low rep users are also more often off-topic or spam.) So if I see that the most recent activity on the question was by on an experienced user, it makes slightly less probable that I notice that the post was spam. (Reporting the post in charcoal *in addition* to editing it would resolve this problem.)" CreationDate="2019-07-17T05:54:45.987" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20575" PostId="4260" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak thanks, I ignored this aspect. I don't know what &quot;reporting the post in charcoal&quot; means." CreationDate="2019-07-17T06:40:08.717" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20576" PostId="4260" Score="1" Text="@YCor Reporting is covered in the last bulled point of this answer ([current revision](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4260/6)). I have [left a few additional comments in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/reporting-spam-to-smokedetector-charcoal)." CreationDate="2019-07-17T07:16:57.750" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20364" PostId="4263" Score="2" Text="It is relatively easy to check how users who are not logged in see the question - simply view the site in incognito mode/private browsing. (You could also log out and then log in again - but that's quite a hassle.)" CreationDate="2019-06-19T15:12:00.280" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20365" PostId="4263" Score="2" Text="Regarding the question why the close voters are displayed (which you added in the edit), you can check the discussions on Meta Stack Exchange: [What's the goal of listing the users that voted to close a question?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/174183) and [Hide the names of the people who voted to close a question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/54895)." CreationDate="2019-06-19T15:12:40.967" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20362" PostId="4264" Score="8" Text="Several non-professionals already contribute to the site; for many, anonymous or not users, I have no idea if professional or not (and this is not a criterion of judgement for me). Btw this sounds like a rant than a question." CreationDate="2019-06-19T15:01:24.173" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20363" PostId="4264" Score="1" Text="@YCor This is not a rant, I am not angry. It is just a &quot;sequence of my thoughts&quot; on this topic." CreationDate="2019-06-19T15:04:01.013" UserId="141690" />
  <row Id="20366" PostId="4264" Score="3" Text="I don't mean any angriness in &quot;rant&quot;. Just the same as &quot;sequence of thoughts&quot;." CreationDate="2019-06-19T15:35:32.410" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20398" PostId="4264" Score="0" Text="I began reading,.... FLT = faster-than-light travel??  Then realized Fermat's Last Theorem." CreationDate="2019-06-21T10:55:49.520" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="20399" PostId="4264" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar Well, I think that it is not settled can the darkness travel faster than the light? :)" CreationDate="2019-06-21T11:01:21.547" UserId="141690" />
  <row Id="20373" PostId="4266" Score="3" Text="Thank you, I was thinking that I should leave the site (because of downvotes), and do a research without any help at all, but because of your answer I think I could stay for some time and learn how to ask better questions, and I think that I shouldn´t ask too many questions. I will, in near future, participate more on MSE than here because it is more appropriate for my level. +1" CreationDate="2019-06-19T17:26:35.803" UserId="141690" />
  <row Id="20374" PostId="4266" Score="2" Text="I have been posting for nine years and am still learning. When you have enough practice making good posts for math.stackexchange, you will have an idea of quality which you can refine by asking here on meta.mathoverflow how to improve a submission for MathOverflow.  Good luck in your search.  Gerhard &quot;Should Plan An Anniversary Party&quot; Paseman, 2019.06.19." CreationDate="2019-06-19T17:33:27.820" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20391" PostId="4267" Score="0" Text="Thanks a lot for getting back in such a productive way. I will take a close look at the scripts this weekend and will consult with our community." CreationDate="2019-06-20T14:56:26.827" UserId="121862" />
  <row Id="20392" PostId="4269" Score="0" Text="I am not sure I understand your Augean stables reference. The only resource you are taking away from people when you ask a hard conjecture is some server space and possibly some time people spend reading it. Nobody is forcing anyone to answer anyone's questions. So how will the quota be helpful exactly?" CreationDate="2019-06-20T18:59:06.037" UserDisplayName="user142160" />
  <row Id="20393" PostId="4269" Score="3" Text="The idea goes back to quality. If we get, say 10% (I am making these numbers up) of questions of low quality, this might turn the population around to not reading or maintaining the quality, and the forum goes downhill (witness USENET newsgroup sci.math.). If there is only 1%, people are interested in maintaining the level.  After all, the forum is not just for the askers and the lurkers.  Gerhard &quot;Doesn't Want To Know Threshhold&quot; Paseman, 2019.06.20." CreationDate="2019-06-20T19:30:05.000" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20394" PostId="4269" Score="2" Text="@user142160 As I said, I'm not talking of MO (so there is no server space or anything like that involved). The problem is not that somebody is obliged or not obliged to answer some particular question but that there is a huge pool of unsolved problems already and many of them risk to get lost in the stream of new ones not in the sense that they will be forgotten but in the sense that they will be avoided in favor of easier or more fashionable ones. Anyway, this is &quot;subjective and argumentative&quot; and not directly related to the main topic of this thread, so I'll stop here for now." CreationDate="2019-06-20T22:42:01.737" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="20395" PostId="4269" Score="0" Text="@fedja Thank you, it seems that you understand issues that are occurring here and there." CreationDate="2019-06-21T02:35:58.013" UserId="141690" />
  <row Id="20396" PostId="4269" Score="1" Text="Let me just add to the excellent answer of @fedja that the &quot;extension of primes&quot; question is not really in a queue, it is well alive and flourishing here: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3264921/extending-prime-numbers-digit-by-digit-while-retaining-primality" CreationDate="2019-06-21T07:42:35.300" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="20397" PostId="4269" Score="3" Text="My understanding is that the main reason for the particular question to be closed was not to have two copies of the same question. This was explained to the OP. This may look confusing for newcommers, but has nothing to do with quality." CreationDate="2019-06-21T07:51:42.460" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="20404" PostId="4270" Score="6" Text="Here is link to the post made after 5 years: [Happy 5th anniversary, MathOverflow!](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1915)" CreationDate="2019-06-22T04:06:58.673" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20410" PostId="4270" Score="19" Text="We can all go out for a drink. Who's got a travel grant large enough to bring everyone together?" CreationDate="2019-06-22T15:44:07.733" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20419" PostId="4270" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila I dare to claim that there exist people who wouldn't even only need to spend one day of their personal income on this ... ." CreationDate="2019-06-22T19:14:13.437" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20420" PostId="4270" Score="4" Text="@Stefan: The Queen of England?" CreationDate="2019-06-22T19:15:17.217" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20421" PostId="4270" Score="1" Text="@Asaf: I think you can find plenty of them [here](https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/) ... ." CreationDate="2019-06-22T19:21:02.863" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20960" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="&quot;willing to help us&quot; &lt;-- in what way? I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they are going to fly people to scheduled meetups. Or should I just wait until Friday's update..." CreationDate="2019-08-29T08:01:21.910" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20961" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="@David, I am still in conversation with them. I could ask about travel advances, but I suspect that would be a bad tactic.  Gerhard &quot;Consider Signing Up As Host/Admin&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.29." CreationDate="2019-08-29T17:37:42.030" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20962" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="One possibility that I will explore: is StackExchange throwing a party that day, and who is invited? Gerhard &quot;That Might Be Considered Helpful&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.29." CreationDate="2019-08-29T17:44:55.667" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20966" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman well, it's not going to help me. :-) Any contribution from SE would be very nice in any case, for whoever gets to enjoy it." CreationDate="2019-08-30T02:08:24.433" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20967" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman: Did they say anything about a commemorative mug? Will you be providing additional details regarding this veryissue  in your upcoming updates?" CreationDate="2019-08-30T03:04:35.667" UserId="99957" />
  <row Id="20968" PostId="4270" Score="1" Text="I do not have firm details now. I am in correspondence to determine those things. I am hoping that if fifty (or more) people show up around the world to celebrate, we will be able to give them a mug or T-shirt at that time to help commemorate. In order for this to happen, I need a show of commitment. When I have firm details, I will share.  Gerhard &quot;A Commitment To Celebrate MathOverflow&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.29." CreationDate="2019-08-30T04:07:13.740" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21052" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="Should we post this on main as well? I think a few people might miss this otherwise!" CreationDate="2019-09-18T06:44:18.920" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="21053" PostId="4270" Score="1" Text="@Thomas, that was why it was tagged as featured.  It should appear as part of the community announcements.  However, if I think of an appropriate main post, I will include a link to this post.  Gerhard &quot;Thank You For The Suggestion&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.18." CreationDate="2019-09-18T13:55:37.830" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21055" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="I think that it doesn't concern to me, but I am going to add a proposal for the future with your permission in this comment. One thing I miss on these sites is to see or hear people, thus a commemorative video from people of this site (I say simple words from an user member of MathOverflow for many years,or words from a top mathematician) would be fine on certain occasions. I  don't know if MathOverflow has an offcial channel in YouTube (or if it is possible/sutaible). I hope that my idea matches in some future situation/scenario. Any case &quot;congratullations to you, and all MO users&quot;." CreationDate="2019-09-18T20:38:00.800" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21056" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="I am hoping to encourage an online photo collection for those who don't mind having pictures taken (but no public captions). Video submissions may also be accepted.  Gerhard &quot;Some Privacy Should Be Kept&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.18." CreationDate="2019-09-18T21:43:23.467" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21089" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="I’ll upload a picture tomorrow!" CreationDate="2019-09-27T20:00:17.990" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="21090" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="@Thomas Great!  If you wait until tomorrow evening your time, I will have a meta post up to receive photos.  Gerhard &quot;Post Worth A Thousand Pictures?&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.27." CreationDate="2019-09-27T23:36:57.767" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20439" PostId="4272" Score="5" Text="I will inquire about anniversary bling.  If you will also drop an email on this subject to moderators@mathoverflow.net, that will help.  Gerhard &quot;Is An Unofficial MathOverflow Official&quot; Paseman, 2019.06.23." CreationDate="2019-06-24T01:49:53.270" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20452" PostId="4272" Score="6" Text="I have an MO mug. It is big and I use it all the time, and it it worth having one." CreationDate="2019-06-25T01:23:00.610" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20457" PostId="4272" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts: People are so jealous of my mug!" CreationDate="2019-06-25T19:24:35.917" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="20494" PostId="4272" Score="0" Text="Someone in my department has stolen my MO mug, or perhaps it's just in someone's office... :-)" CreationDate="2019-07-04T17:15:18.003" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20984" PostId="4272" Score="0" Text="Mugs are looking possible. I am hoping for something commemorative, but have not locked that detail in. Gerhard &quot;At Time Of This Posting&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.31." CreationDate="2019-09-01T05:46:38.267" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21013" PostId="4272" Score="1" Text="might be a bit late, but if you sold t shirts community wide, even to those not attending, you might pay for the meeting." CreationDate="2019-09-06T01:33:00.860" UserId="9449" />
  <row Id="21034" PostId="4272" Score="0" Text="Selling is an interesting idea, but would have to be done independently from this effort. Gerhard &quot;Not Ready For The Paperwork&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.08." CreationDate="2019-09-08T17:03:55.173" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21051" PostId="4272" Score="0" Text="Jamai-Con, please send me an email. As it was your suggestion, I would like to include you in my next email about swag.  Gerhard &quot;The World Is Not Ready...&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.15." CreationDate="2019-09-16T02:50:19.790" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20442" PostId="4273" Score="11" Text="Whatever one might answer to this question -- I think first of all, it raises the meta-question why someone who has never answered a question or got an answer to a question they asked on this site so far is interested in knowing this. -- In particular in view of [this discussion](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4200/flood-of-similar-new-users)." CreationDate="2019-06-24T12:17:55.260" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20443" PostId="4273" Score="4" Text="There is an incentive to accept an answer (in main): you get +2 reputation.  (See https://mathoverflow.net/help/someone-answers and https://mathoverflow.net/help/accepted-answer .)" CreationDate="2019-06-24T13:38:59.990" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="20444" PostId="4273" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl In answer to your meta-question: I am interested in knowing this because there are a number of questions in MO where people spent time to provide (sometimes multiple) answers which were then completely ignored by the OP. And, by the way, in this instance it is perfectly ok if you completely ignore my answer to your meta-question." CreationDate="2019-06-24T14:18:55.943" UserId="128442" />
  <row Id="20445" PostId="4273" Score="12" Text="It's part of the policy that one does not have to give explanation on upvotes, downvotes, or why one accepts an answer, so I think it would not be coherent to require justification for not accepting an answer." CreationDate="2019-06-24T16:22:13.580" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20453" PostId="4273" Score="2" Text="When a low reputation user upvoted an answer to their own question, they are shown a popup mentioning accepting answer: [Remind new users to choose some answers?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/69775#69777). So there is at least this as a reminder." CreationDate="2019-06-25T02:22:15.730" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20440" PostId="4274" Score="6" Text="As a side note, I will mention that I have created the ([meta-tag:hot-network-questions]) tag here on meta. Perhaps it is useful to have this tag - as you can see there were some discussion related to the HNQs in the past." CreationDate="2019-06-24T11:54:37.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20441" PostId="4274" Score="16" Text="Most of the HNQs shown by your query are actually quite reasonable and interesting questions. So I don't think this needs careful curation, just occasional attention." CreationDate="2019-06-24T12:16:53.123" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="20465" PostId="4274" Score="6" Text="I guess no formal guidelines, agreements, or anything else like that are really needed if the questions are handled on a case by case basis and (subjective, of course, but what opinion is objective?) common sense is exercised. Neither do we need to care too much what the outsiders may possibly think of MO if some controversial question/answer makes it to the list. Everybody knows that humans aren't perfect and, compared to some highly visible public figures (especially in the government), we will, probably, always look like angels with double halo and a spare set of wings." CreationDate="2019-06-27T13:54:07.560" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="20466" PostId="4274" Score="3" Text="In case it's helpful, [here is the equivalent thread on Physics Stack Exchange](https://physics.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11146/data-collection-when-should-or-shouldnt-we-exclude-questions-from-the-hot-ne)." CreationDate="2019-06-27T23:47:03.017" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="20467" PostId="4274" Score="4" Text="@JosephO'Rourke As you can see from the link above, that's definitely not the case elsewhere on the network. Y'all are some lucky folks on this score." CreationDate="2019-06-27T23:50:22.907" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="20524" PostId="4274" Score="1" Text="This is only a hypothetical case since the community has handled it responsively by closing it in 3 hours (and this is the utility of 8-hour delay for HNQ!), but I believe [this &quot;suicidal thought&quot; question](https://mathoverflow.net/q/335640) should be removed as fast as possible since it gathered many answers and upvotes, if it did enter the HNQ." CreationDate="2019-07-08T03:22:18.590" UserId="60571" />
  <row Id="20446" PostId="4277" Score="0" Text="&quot;Moral obligation&quot; in my question was perhaps too strong. &quot;Common courtesy&quot; would be more appropriate. If I ask a question and somebody spends time answering it, the least I can do is to acknowledge that that I have read the answer. But I do understand that there are reasons for not having a formal enforcement of such acknowledgements in MO." CreationDate="2019-06-24T20:11:37.873" UserId="128442" />
  <row Id="20447" PostId="4277" Score="0" Text="I agree that there are rules of courtesy, and that appropriate responses may be gently encouraged. Much as I like MathOverflow to be a courteous and respectful place, it isn't always, and I suspect encouraging posters to interact more without giving them full commenting ability when they join is a mistake. When someone has established a history of communal behaviour, then we can try to shape that behaviour. Gerhard &quot;Let's First Get Them Started&quot; Paseman, 2019.06.24." CreationDate="2019-06-24T20:19:32.487" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20454" PostId="4277" Score="1" Text="Re: *most if not all of these can be done by the community or the forum moderator(s)*. As far as I know, an answer can be accepted only by the OP.  There have been several feature request related to this - some of them are marked (status-declined). For example: [Force Accepted Answers on Questions by Inactive Users](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/8692), [Would it be possible to have a “community accepted” feature?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/3669) or [Moderators accepting answers on user's behalf after a certain time period](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/18312)." CreationDate="2019-06-25T02:47:06.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20448" PostId="4278" Score="1" Text="We already use upvotes to award points to an answer. &quot;Accepted&quot; is a special status that may not be shared by community opinion of the answer, so the 'blame' for assigning acceptance is put on one person, the asker. Gerhard &quot;Doesn't Seem Fair, Does It?&quot; Paseman, 2019.06.24." CreationDate="2019-06-24T21:50:31.477" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20450" PostId="4279" Score="6" Text="I added a list of all the Thurston posts with missing pictures that I could find: feel free to edit if I missed any or if any get fixed!" CreationDate="2019-06-24T23:40:21.850" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="20455" PostId="4279" Score="4" Text="perhaps someone close to Bill Thurston can restore these images from his Dropbox folder?" CreationDate="2019-06-25T11:15:57.733" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="20456" PostId="4279" Score="4" Text="It seems that many of those links were pointing to DropBox. Why not contact DropBox directly, explain who Bill Thurston was and aske them if those files can be restored and offered to the MO community?" CreationDate="2019-06-25T13:02:12.847" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="20461" PostId="4279" Score="3" Text="In other news, we *really* need to auto-convert image links to stack.imgur." CreationDate="2019-06-26T11:02:12.287" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20473" PostId="4279" Score="4" Text="I asked Dylan if he had access to the Dropbox account and he said he doesn’t." CreationDate="2019-06-28T12:43:48.157" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20481" PostId="4279" Score="3" Text="@NoahSnyder: He may have access to Bill's computer, though; the account isn't necessarily the easiest place to look." CreationDate="2019-06-29T09:42:03.933" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20489" PostId="4279" Score="1" Text="It might be useful to chase for links to figures, maybe starting from most upvoted answers, beyond the case of Thurston, so as to anticipate on possible missing figures in the future." CreationDate="2019-07-01T19:03:29.673" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20564" PostId="4279" Score="0" Text="@YCor Doing something like that might be a reasonable topic for a separate discussion. I have made at least a small experiment and left a few comments on [archiving images, dead links](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/archiving-images-dead-links)." CreationDate="2019-07-14T12:34:56.283" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20449" PostId="4280" Score="2" Text="I've just posted a comment on the answer with a link to the Wayback Machine copy of the Mathematica notebook." CreationDate="2019-06-24T23:36:02.283" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="20451" PostId="4280" Score="4" Text="Thanks, @‍ScottMorrison and @j.c.!  I have added links to as many of the figures as I could figure (ha!) out.  I'm not sure what `RightingTorque` is.  There is a picture of an icosahedron, but none of a dodecahedron; and two figures labelled `DodecaFloat`, so I wasn't sure which belongs." CreationDate="2019-06-25T01:14:04.740" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="20458" PostId="4281" Score="2" Text="Excellent! I don't think I will be in or near Europe in September. I will make a post for an S.F. East Bay version.  Feel free to use it as a template.  Gerhard &quot;Will Look Up Staggered Toasts&quot; Paseman, 2019.06.25." CreationDate="2019-06-25T21:07:43.203" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20464" PostId="4281" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman I went ahead and made one for Berkeley/the Bay below :)." CreationDate="2019-06-26T23:14:18.250" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="20491" PostId="4281" Score="2" Text="@Thomas Rot if there is a meet-up in the Netherlands  I'll come running" CreationDate="2019-07-04T08:27:42.593" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="20492" PostId="4281" Score="1" Text="@PietroMajer: Good, let me talk to some people!" CreationDate="2019-07-04T08:58:12.060" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="21000" PostId="4281" Score="0" Text="I like the QA style idea for a seminar. I posted two questions in a comment to Zach Teitler's post which may fit in to your celebration.  I will see what else I can provide.  Gerhard &quot;Is Thinking About Party Favors&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.02." CreationDate="2019-09-02T21:16:58.667" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21036" PostId="4281" Score="0" Text="I've requested swag on your behalf. If you email me with a shipping address, I will see if we can get your seminar something on the day.  Gerhard &quot;Talk First, Then Give Toast&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.08." CreationDate="2019-09-08T17:07:56.897" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21037" PostId="4281" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman: That is amazing. My professional address can be found here: https://www.few.vu.nl/~trt800/ . I'll bring it to the event!" CreationDate="2019-09-08T17:26:39.240" UserId="12156" />
  <row Id="20471" PostId="4282" Score="0" Text="I've added spaces to force linebreaks and make the list easier to track." CreationDate="2019-06-28T08:08:00.243" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20472" PostId="4282" Score="2" Text="Thanks. It's quite unfortunate that the links are broken, I had hoped that Dropbox would have been willing to restore the &quot;public link&quot; functionality for a brief period of time and only for this particular account, but it seems that's not going to happen." CreationDate="2019-06-28T08:13:51.560" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="20474" PostId="4282" Score="3" Text="@CarloBeenakker Dropbox, inc. being a company with a market valuation well in the billion-dollar-range, I'd have been surprised if they would have made such exception -- companies of that size tend to act somewhat similar to authorities. At least you would need to convince them that making the suggested exception would yield sufficient positive- or not making it would yield sufficient negative publicity for them." CreationDate="2019-06-28T16:37:05.637" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20475" PostId="4282" Score="11" Text="I talked to a friend at DropBox and unfortunately data is likely gone now due to automatic deletion of free accounts when an account is inactive for a certain amount of time.  They're going to look to see if there's a copy anywhere, but it's unlikely." CreationDate="2019-06-28T19:04:20.883" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20478" PostId="4282" Score="5" Text="At least we can all be grateful that Dropbox considered the request sufficiently carefully to write a nonsensical reply." CreationDate="2019-06-28T21:46:37.703" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="20479" PostId="4282" Score="1" Text="I wish posts/answers like this would be archived by archive.org (with deep links). Unfortunately it's not the case, it seems." CreationDate="2019-06-29T08:18:24.343" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20480" PostId="4282" Score="3" Text="Is it possible that Thurston's computer/computer account with a copy of his Dropbox is still available?" CreationDate="2019-06-29T08:20:27.230" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20483" PostId="4282" Score="5" Text="@DimaPasechnik: _Sometimes_ archive.org _does_ provide the Dropbox images: see for example Thurston's [Is there an underlying explanation for the magical powers of the Schwarzian derivative?](//mathoverflow.net/a/38125), [Can we add two matrices by performing an operation on their eigenvalues &amp; eigenvectors?](//mathoverflow.net/a/38418), [A random walk on random lines](//mathoverflow.net/a/39671), and [Volumes of n-balls: what is so special about n=5?](//mathoverflow.net/a/53130). Unfortunately this did not happen for the OP's list of 16 posts." CreationDate="2019-06-29T14:23:03.920" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="20485" PostId="4282" Score="4" Text="whether or not archive.org has crawled an MO page appears to be a random event; I have over 300 images in MO answers and about 50 of those have been copied to archive.org; perhaps there is a way to instruct archive.org to systematically copy the whole MO site, but probably this has to be arranged at some higher level; I am now instructing archive.org &quot;by hand&quot; to copy all of these 300 images, one-by-one: I have not found out how to do this in batch." CreationDate="2019-06-29T15:21:35.140" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="20486" PostId="4282" Score="8" Text="IMHO it looks like a good idea if Mathoverflow (and perhaps other stackexchange sites) join https://archive-it.org/ (putting on Wayback machine sufficiently highly scored questions and answer looks like a good idea)" CreationDate="2019-06-29T22:36:31.220" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20990" PostId="4283" Score="0" Text="I would love to join the celebrating" CreationDate="2019-09-01T19:24:38.207" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="20992" PostId="4283" Score="0" Text="@GjergjiZaimi I'm in the process of finalizing plans for a celebration on my families ranch in Castro Valley, I'll update this post with details sometime early this week. We'd love to have you!" CreationDate="2019-09-02T05:36:31.310" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="20993" PostId="4283" Score="0" Text="Interesting. I was deciding on a location less than ten miles away from there.  I will adjust my plans accordingly. Gerhard &quot;Looking Forward To The Updates&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.01." CreationDate="2019-09-02T05:58:06.323" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20994" PostId="4283" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman Serindipitous indeed! I'll try to have everything finalized and post relevant updates by tomorrow evening." CreationDate="2019-09-02T06:22:03.310" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="21029" PostId="4283" Score="0" Text="Thanks for organizing Alec! Should people do anything special to let you know they're coming?" CreationDate="2019-09-08T15:07:02.693" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="21033" PostId="4283" Score="0" Text="Yes! In general (not just for SF Bay Area), they are planning to attend, they should either post here, or email me or one of the hosts.  If they emailed earlier, I could have put them in the head count for swag. Fortunately, I asked for a few extra just for them.  Gerhard &quot;Helps To Think A Head&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.08." CreationDate="2019-09-08T17:01:12.537" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20468" PostId="4284" Score="2" Text="This older discussion on meta is related: [Paper request(s)](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3317) (and it links to [an older thread on meta](http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/775/electronic-file-request/)). I will also add link to this question - to some extent it's also related and also it contains links to a few posts with similar topic: [What to do when a post contains a “suspicious” link (possibly with copyrighted material)?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3953)" CreationDate="2019-06-28T03:10:04.273" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20469" PostId="4284" Score="12" Text="I think this is a potential legal landmine for the moderators; *if* they wanted to support such a practice, the most legally defensible way to do so would be ignorance of it taking place unless I'm mistaken. As soon as it is openly condoned, lawyers for Elsevier etc. could point to those posts as evidence that MO moderators knowingly blah blah blah. If you are in support of this alleged practice, I think it might be best to not make posts like this and attempt to prompt a definite response from MO staff." CreationDate="2019-06-28T03:42:18.880" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="20470" PostId="4284" Score="2" Text="&quot;Opinions aside, what is the MO stance&quot; what?" CreationDate="2019-06-28T06:17:45.090" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="20487" PostId="4285" Score="10" Text="it's an interesting (to lawyes in particular) question, to what extent sharing a copy of a paper with a (potential) collaborator is covered be fair use---I think it does, in fact. Now, one can argue that as a community, we all collaborate :-)" CreationDate="2019-06-30T09:17:51.297" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20477" PostId="4286" Score="1" Text="@Asaf, although I intended answer posts to be from people willing to host, you can place a wanted request as a response. If it is filled, you might then delete the response if possible.  Gerhard &quot;Answers Can Mean Many Things&quot; Paseman, 2019.06.28." CreationDate="2019-06-28T19:22:19.650" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20482" PostId="4286" Score="0" Text="May  I  have  your  email  address? may you send me  a  message to my yahoo email &quot;alitghv&quot;? Thank you!" CreationDate="2019-06-29T12:11:09.653" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="20484" PostId="4286" Score="0" Text="You can determine my email from my user profile. If you send me email, please have MathOverflow party as part of the subject.  Gerhard &quot;Is Training His Own Filter&quot; Paseman, 2019.06.29." CreationDate="2019-06-29T14:35:07.710" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20985" PostId="4286" Score="0" Text="It seems that you want to distribute mugs and other stuff - and you'll need responses from interested users soon. Many MO users visit meta only occasionally, which means they might not notice that this question has been bumped. Have you considered asking the moderators whether they would be willing adding the ([meta-tag:featured]) tag to the question? The question would then be displayed in the [community bulletin](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-bulletin/info), so it would be more likely to get noticed by the users visiting the main site." CreationDate="2019-09-01T06:13:16.350" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20987" PostId="4286" Score="0" Text="Who reads the community bulletin? Gerhard &quot;And Where Is It Found?&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.31." CreationDate="2019-09-01T06:23:28.973" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21030" PostId="4286" Score="0" Text="Thanks for organizing Gerhard! I'd like to attend some event in the Bay Area. How do I determine if I'm part of the overflow?" CreationDate="2019-09-08T15:12:04.633" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="21032" PostId="4286" Score="0" Text="That will depend on how many declare themselves. Right now, it looks like Alec will have the main event in Castro Valley.  I am organizing with him. If we exceed his capacity, I will branch off into something in nearby Hayward. We will post details and logistics this coming week. As poster of question number 1, you will be welcome at either locale (and at both)!  Gerhard &quot;Maybe Get Tumbler And Mug?&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.08." CreationDate="2019-09-08T16:13:04.020" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20599" PostId="4287" Score="0" Text="If the upvoters are indicating interest (as opposed to just approval), I'll be glad to hear from them." CreationDate="2019-07-21T18:42:06.467" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20999" PostId="4287" Score="0" Text="If getting to Steve's house that Saturday is an issue for some locals, I have ideas for remote partying that might help.  If you think you might attend either in person or remotely, help Steve and me out: leave a comment now, and we will arrange details later. Gerhard &quot;There Will Be Swag Involved&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.02." CreationDate="2019-09-02T21:13:39.697" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21001" PostId="4287" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman :  I appreciate this, but as far as I'm aware I've got no takers.  they'd still be welcome though." CreationDate="2019-09-03T00:33:45.087" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="21035" PostId="4287" Score="0" Text="I've requested some swag on your behalf. If you email me with a shipping address, I can get it to you, hopefully by celebration time.  Gerhard &quot;Here's To Math For Two!&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.08." CreationDate="2019-09-08T17:05:58.880" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20493" PostId="4288" Score="2" Text="An experiment to try is to indent all the lines in the snippet by four spaces.  That might be recognized as a code block.  Gerhard &quot;Happy Fourth By The Way&quot; Paseman, 2019.07.04." CreationDate="2019-07-04T16:56:22.360" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20495" PostId="4290" Score="2" Text="Thanks a lot, Martin! You see, my problem is that I'm an old-fashioned guy, who can understand only trivial stuff like HTML and javascript. The modern dragging and clicking techniques are way above my head. Needless to say, at school I only learned how to count sticks, cubes, and clouds. Counting empty spaces on a blank line still perplexes me a lot :-). Thanks again for helping me to survive in this brave new world!" CreationDate="2019-07-04T19:51:41.517" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="20504" PostId="4292" Score="1" Text="I voted for undeletion." CreationDate="2019-07-06T18:36:00.537" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20507" PostId="4292" Score="0" Text="@YCor FYI, as I commented in the question, this perhaps shouldn't have been undeleted as virtually the same question was asked yesterday on MSE at [Given $N$ integers on a circle , what will be the minimum pair sum?](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3283956/given-n-integers-on-a-circle-what-will-be-the-minimum-pair-sum) but it's been deleted with an explanation of &quot;for reasons of moderation&quot;. It may be part of an ongoing contest or something and, as such, should be removed here also. As I stated, I have flagged the question for moderator attention." CreationDate="2019-07-07T00:54:04.243" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="20508" PostId="4292" Score="0" Text="@JohnOmielan In fact, the MSE post has been deleted by the OP." CreationDate="2019-07-07T04:10:33.840" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20509" PostId="4292" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks for the information. This seems a bit strange as I'm certain I've seen cases in the past at least where the OP has deleted a question when I was viewing it (e.g., while trying to answer or comment on it) &amp; it stated it was deleted by the owner. Perhaps this depends on how I was trying to view the post. In my opinion, have it say &quot;for reasons of moderation&quot; is, at least, misleading in this situation. I'm sorry for any trouble or hassle I caused but I was just trying to do the right thing." CreationDate="2019-07-07T07:22:59.173" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="20510" PostId="4292" Score="0" Text="@JohnOmielan I think &quot;for reasons of moderation&quot; is just a generic message; it's indeed misleading when deletion is by OP. You may mention it at [MathSE Meta](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/)." CreationDate="2019-07-07T07:38:02.277" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20511" PostId="4292" Score="0" Text="@JohnOmielan I have posted a bug report on Meta Stack Exchange: [Why this question shows removed “for reasons of moderation” rather than “voluntarily removed by its author”?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/330587) BTW one of the comments on the question you linked says that it is from this months' CodeChef competition: https://www.codechef.com/JULY19A/problems/CIRMERGE" CreationDate="2019-07-07T07:39:21.327" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20512" PostId="4292" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks for checking on this further. I'm curious what the resolution to your bug report post will be, in particular if it's anything other than just the user being &quot;disassociated/deleted&quot;, like MadScientist stated in a comment." CreationDate="2019-07-07T07:58:11.683" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="20513" PostId="4292" Score="2" Text="@YCor I think it is good idea to delete the question" CreationDate="2019-07-07T08:16:30.627" UserDisplayName="user142757" />
  <row Id="20514" PostId="4292" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I think best thing to do is to implement a feature similar to that on puzzle stack exchange where question and answer is made hidden until contest gets over .This will save effort of the writer ,will avoid all drama ad time wastage ." CreationDate="2019-07-07T08:19:03.510" UserDisplayName="user142757" />
  <row Id="20515" PostId="4292" Score="1" Text="The undeletion was based on the fact that some users had been thinking about the question and would like to have the post open. I also understand that being part of a contest (and being such a focussed problem) is also a good reason for closure/deletion. One could imagine closing/deleting the question until August 1 (end of contest) if those who are interested still want the question to be opened. I just don't think that vandalizing the question should be done by a single user." CreationDate="2019-07-07T08:30:39.787" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="20516" PostId="4292" Score="3" Text="I deleted the question." CreationDate="2019-07-07T08:55:21.923" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20517" PostId="4292" Score="0" Text="@YCor We can re-construct the question so that's not issue .Yeah i like and suggest SE you said &quot;One could imagine closing/deleting the question until August 1 (end of contest) if those who are interested still want the question to be opened&quot;.BTW what decision has been taken ?" CreationDate="2019-07-07T08:56:36.263" UserDisplayName="user142757" />
  <row Id="20518" PostId="4292" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble But please reopen the question after contest since it will not waste precious time and effort of people who have answered." CreationDate="2019-07-07T08:57:54.150" UserDisplayName="user142757" />
  <row Id="20519" PostId="4292" Score="3" Text="@Glator So on July 22 if I read correctly." CreationDate="2019-07-07T09:02:02.167" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20520" PostId="4292" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Yes" CreationDate="2019-07-07T09:23:38.517" UserDisplayName="user142757" />
  <row Id="20521" PostId="4292" Score="1" Text="@Glator Maybe some of the locals will correct me, but as far as I know, there isn't any official policy on contest problems on MathOverflow. (Unlike Mathematics Stack Exchange, see the FAQ post: [“Contest problem” policy](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/16774).)" CreationDate="2019-07-07T09:59:33.507" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20505" PostId="4293" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification Martin; so it remains to hope that the PO will pose the problem again." CreationDate="2019-07-06T18:55:34.217" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="20522" PostId="4293" Score="1" Text="I will explicitly point out that I have posted this answer when the question [looked like this](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4292/2) - which seemed more-or-less general inquiry on self-deletion. Only after that the question was [edited to the current form](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4292/5) - now it seems to be focused more on this specific question and perhaps, more generally, on questions from ongoing contests." CreationDate="2019-07-07T11:59:36.720" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20998" PostId="4294" Score="2" Text="Part of my agenda is to poll the community on various issues to give feedback to the MathOverflow board. (Various similar attempts over the years have met with much much less than resounding success.)  For this occasion, I have two brief questions: What would you like to give to the community and forum, and what do you hope for in return from the community and forum. I suggest a few minutes discussion on these questions or something related. Gerhard &quot;Email Me For Swag Planning&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.02." CreationDate="2019-09-02T21:09:49.137" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21006" PostId="4294" Score="0" Text="In addition to our Friday seminar, I am also co-organizing a Math Teachers' Circle, which will have a meeting on that Saturday, 28 September. I won't ask a bunch of high school and middle school teachers to dive into MO, but I might pull up some of the things like math games for kids, results of searching for &quot;high school&quot;, etc." CreationDate="2019-09-05T04:49:54.500" UserId="88133" />
  <row Id="21007" PostId="4294" Score="1" Text="Make sure they (Teachers in the Teachers circle, at least) see MESE and meta.mathoverflow.  If they are unsure about using MathOverflow as a resource, asking on meta should clear things up. If you prepare by doing a few searches on meta, you can show them helpful examples of questions and responses.  If I get numbers from you, I might order swag to get them to sign up to MathOverflow.  Gerhard &quot;Is Not Above Using Marketing&quot; Paseman, 2019.00.04." CreationDate="2019-09-05T04:57:31.850" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20527" PostId="4295" Score="19" Text="Whiteboards are the reason mathematical progress is not twice as faster. Blackboards forever!!!" CreationDate="2019-07-09T10:00:16.287" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20528" PostId="4295" Score="6" Text="@AsafKaragila I will give my life in this holy war; whiteboards, just as god intended!" CreationDate="2019-07-09T10:06:38.523" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="20529" PostId="4295" Score="8" Text="That's a false god. And everyone who knows anything should also know that." CreationDate="2019-07-09T10:11:41.413" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20530" PostId="4295" Score="2" Text="Not according to my book, you'll see when we all die and get to check in with eachother down below. wait" CreationDate="2019-07-09T10:17:59.043" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="20535" PostId="4295" Score="23" Text="I don't have a strong opinion about blackboards vs whiteboards, but chalk is unquestionably superior to markers. Since chalk doesn't write well on whiteboards, I can only conclude that blackboards are the way to go, and users of whiteboards are heretics." CreationDate="2019-07-09T20:06:32.317" UserId="94086" />
  <row Id="20536" PostId="4295" Score="15" Text="Perhaps ads for sites selling fancy Japanese chalk would do well..." CreationDate="2019-07-11T05:37:50.053" UserId="56878" />
  <row Id="20537" PostId="4295" Score="6" Text="Blackboards, whiteboards, who can decide! When I need a break from tough questions like that, I like to relax with a nice, hot donut of coffee, and a maple glazed coffee mug, from Mathin' Donuts, visit today! For a limited time only, buy one, get one free, with code Banach-Tarski." CreationDate="2019-07-11T07:12:15.313" UserId="88133" />
  <row Id="20538" PostId="4295" Score="4" Text="@dorebell came here to say that. Advertisements that use geolocation to tell me the closest store to buy Hagoromo at the drop of the hat are totally welcome." CreationDate="2019-07-11T12:32:45.180" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20600" PostId="4295" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila On a slightly more serious note, chalk has potential adverse health risks (http://aaqr.org/files/article/569/9_AAQR-15-04-OA-0216_2596-2608.pdf) In particular, the linked study found that chalk use leads to &quot;irritation to the eyes, skin, respiratory tract, mucous membranes, and digestive tract&quot;, and that for chronic users like mathematicians &quot;the potential chronic health concerns are lung and liver damage resulting from exposure to calcium sulfate and calcium carbonate particles, respectively.&quot; I still use it, but view it like smoking (a guilty pleasure, not in classrooms, etc.)." CreationDate="2019-07-22T17:55:13.120" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="20601" PostId="4295" Score="0" Text="Whiteboard markers also have potential risks, but chemicals like xylene and methyl isobutyl ketone evaporate over very short time spans and distances from the board and are only really dangerous if you sniff the marker (or leave your face right up against the board as you write, like me)." CreationDate="2019-07-22T18:03:53.933" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="20531" PostId="4296" Score="1" Text="Much appreciated Martin, I'll read more carefully next time before flying to our meta for reassurance :^)." CreationDate="2019-07-09T10:55:22.550" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="20532" PostId="4296" Score="8" Text="@AlecRhea I don't think that there is any problem with the question. Many MO users read only the local meta, so it might be useful to have post about this also here. (And maybe we learn also something new from the mods.)" CreationDate="2019-07-09T10:57:27.650" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20533" PostId="4296" Score="3" Text="what would you say about this ad: https://mathoverflow.net/users/142909" CreationDate="2019-07-09T15:30:56.023" UserDisplayName="user142908" />
  <row Id="20534" PostId="4296" Score="10" Text="@qotaqzheme That's not an ad - it's a user's profile page. There were some related discussions on this meta: [Companies accounts allowed?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3178) and [Flagging spam user](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3487). That's a separate problem from what is discussed here - still I'll mention that I liked [this proposal](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303746/spam-profiles-are-getting-my-goat-could-we-have-better-tools-for-mods-to-deal-w/303751#303751) as a possible solution." CreationDate="2019-07-09T16:37:24.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20582" PostId="4296" Score="2" Text="I'm glad that the implications of this question so far are not &quot;MO will absolutely never have ads&quot;.  Internet ads are (rightfully) demonized quite a lot, but they can be quite valuable if they are used responsibly and with moderation.  I'm also glad that if they come to MO they will be moderated by MO rather than SE." CreationDate="2019-07-17T17:16:46.990" UserId="4362" />
  <row Id="20539" PostId="4298" Score="0" Text="Note that the vote scores have been inflated by the fact that the question became a HNQ, so they do not necessarily reflect opinions of regular participants of MO." CreationDate="2019-07-11T14:31:12.557" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="20541" PostId="4298" Score="4" Text="Also, it is off topic, as its connection to mathematics is by circumstance, not design. If it were happening in a different field, say biologists venturing into mathematics, I don't think it would stand at all as on topic for this forum. I am willing to consider it an exception to the rules and leave it for inclusion. Its popularity does not make it on topic. Gerhard &quot;Will Not Vote To Delete&quot; Paseman, 2019.07.11." CreationDate="2019-07-11T16:11:25.320" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20553" PostId="4298" Score="2" Text="FWIW I have cast a 5th vote to reopen" CreationDate="2019-07-13T06:54:57.873" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20578" PostId="4300" Score="1" Text="Maybe not 1,000, but given a little more time...." CreationDate="2019-07-17T11:50:31.527" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20580" PostId="4300" Score="1" Text="I applaud your courage in making the attempt. I disapprove of your example choice of article to peer-review.  If you wish for something more serious I volunteer my article on ArXiv 1311.5944 as strawman. It contains some original work, but is not suitable for publication as the main result is not new (even though it improves upon recently published results).  I am interested in rewriting it to improve accessibility and style of presentation, and would welcome feedback on these issues.  Gerhard &quot;Maybe It Could Help Someone&quot; Paseman, 2019.07.17." CreationDate="2019-07-17T15:04:58.113" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20584" PostId="4300" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman Thank you! The reason I chose this article was that I did not want to use somebody's work without permission. So, I would gladly go on and use your paper! I would also post it directly on MO, and I will act as an &quot;editor&quot;, that is, I will try to find suitable reviewers and accept sponsored reviews. Is there a place to keep the original reviewer's name which is only seen by moderators?" CreationDate="2019-07-17T19:07:02.387" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20585" PostId="4300" Score="0" Text="I just noticed that one is allowed to post as a guest, but has to enter an email which is not shown. We could allow guest reviewing but only with an institutional email." CreationDate="2019-07-17T19:27:23.087" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20586" PostId="4300" Score="0" Text="I would recommend (for the initial experiment) that you post to the thread you created an answer. This answer you post can contain the article name, article version number, author names, link to detailed information (e.g. page length, journal name, etc.), and then a brief summary of review, followed by a link to a more detailed review, and name of reviewer and date of review. You oversee the whole process. Gerhard &quot;Your Initiative, You Implement It&quot; Paseman, 2019.07.17." CreationDate="2019-07-17T20:00:37.127" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20587" PostId="4300" Score="0" Text="By the way, guest reviewing will not work, since the email will be visible to any moderator, possibly including an author. @Dilaton how does this work in PhysicsOverflow?" CreationDate="2019-07-17T20:47:27.677" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20588" PostId="4300" Score="0" Text="My intention was that you experiment on meta, by adding an answer to your existing meta post. I believe the community is not ready for such an experimental post on MathOverflow itself. Gerhard &quot;Thanks For Trying It Anyway&quot; Paseman, 2019.07.17." CreationDate="2019-07-17T22:01:08.560" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20589" PostId="4300" Score="2" Text="Regarding EDIT3, note that the question was quickly closed and deleted. There appears to be some opposition to using MO in the manner Thanasis intended." CreationDate="2019-07-18T00:13:45.977" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20590" PostId="4300" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson This seems to be true. I did not expect such a quick reaction. I expected that since this question (and the few more linked to it) has a good number of positive votes, the experiment would at least get some chance. I suppose the only way to go would be starting a new community in area 51 or ask the guys over ate PhysicsOverflow if we could use their platform (maybe professional mathematicians will be reluctant to join a physics forum...)." CreationDate="2019-07-18T08:26:24.270" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20824" PostId="4300" Score="0" Text="I plan to start an area 51 site: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4320/40644 Any support is welcome!" CreationDate="2019-08-13T14:22:18.243" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20592" PostId="4304" Score="0" Text="I'd rather see OP rewrite the question so it's actually comprehensible. Perhaps by explaining it to someone who is fluent in Emglish, math, and whatever language is native for OP." CreationDate="2019-07-20T12:20:20.807" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20593" PostId="4304" Score="1" Text="Yes, I agree. This is more of a preliminary notice. I was going to encourage the OP to explain it more clearly." CreationDate="2019-07-20T23:37:49.477" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20597" PostId="4304" Score="0" Text="Given the terrible language, it’s not even clear to me if the question is really about *differential* equations, or if it’s just a mangled form of *different*." CreationDate="2019-07-21T08:40:20.487" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="20603" PostId="4306" Score="2" Text="Related: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2993/454" CreationDate="2019-07-31T12:05:33.093" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="20605" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="I think the 2nd and 3rd ones on your list are pretty clearly inappropriate.  The others don't seem nearly as problematic to me as those two." CreationDate="2019-08-01T03:09:50.000" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20606" PostId="4307" Score="16" Text="Given the question is a) closed as off-topic b) almost ten years old c) CW, I see little problem of removing entries that are considered inappropriate. They add no value to MO." CreationDate="2019-08-01T03:28:08.410" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20608" PostId="4307" Score="0" Text="And in case it's not clear, I do consider the jokes in the first list inappropriate (and the second list more just childish or bad taste; I personally wouldn't miss them if they went)" CreationDate="2019-08-01T13:41:09.183" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20609" PostId="4307" Score="19" Text="Let me address the four jokes you mention first: (1) why do you think a stripper has to be a woman? (2) the joke is about mini-skirts and the &quot;philosophy&quot; (if you will) behind it, there's no mention of a woman or a woman's body, although I agree that this may not have aged well. (3) Yes, that's not a great joke. (4) I don't see the problem here, to be honest. Now, there's something to say about &quot;keeping it professional&quot;, but if MO is like knocking on a colleague's office for a question, I don't see why a bit of blue humor is necessary bad, as long as nobody is offended [...]" CreationDate="2019-08-01T15:09:46.427" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20610" PostId="4307" Score="16" Text="[...] and by that I do mean to exclude people who are offended for the sake of taking offence. Of the jokes you mention, I can see which might be considered offensive (&quot;a hot chick&quot; seems to me like it is the problem), but the others make no assumptions on gender, personality, race, or any other group of people. So unless someone wants to point at a specific reason why a group of people is to be offended by that, I'd consider this fine." CreationDate="2019-08-01T15:15:09.577" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20611" PostId="4307" Score="23" Text="@AsafKaragila: Given the cultural context in which these jokes arose, it is clear that they refer to women rather than men.  Why bother defending them?  I would think very poorly of a colleague who made sexually-tinged jokes at work.  We should just delete these answers." CreationDate="2019-08-01T18:52:05.760" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="20612" PostId="4307" Score="23" Text="@Andy: I guess we come from two different cultures, then. But then again, I am sure that there are people who think poorly of me for cussing often (especially when political topics are brought up). And then again, I tend to think poorly on them. The circle is complete, the student has become the master, etc. etc. My point is, I guess, that I am not trying to defend those jokes. I am rather pointing out that it might be over-sensitivity. And for what it's worth, we can't whitewash the past just because we're uncomfortable with it. Instead we should use the past as motivation for improvement." CreationDate="2019-08-01T19:01:29.613" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20613" PostId="4307" Score="33" Text="@AsafKaragila: &quot;Whitewash[ing] the past&quot;?  Really?  These are hardly examples of important historical documents, or even &quot;edgy&quot; political speech.  These are just stupid and juvenile jokes, completely unrelated to the purpose of this website." CreationDate="2019-08-01T20:24:37.503" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="20614" PostId="4307" Score="21" Text="&quot;And for what it's worth, we can't whitewash the past just because we're uncomfortable with it. Instead we should use the past as motivation for improvement.&quot; Well, perhaps improvement can be achieved by deleting the jokes?" CreationDate="2019-08-01T23:24:07.000" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20615" PostId="4307" Score="20" Text="I have hesitated to post this comment for fear of being inflammatory.  If the moderators want to delete it, I'll understand.  But the original (pre-editing) version of this post contained a sweeping and unsupported generalization about the sorts of people who would make these jokes --- a generalization that  I (and I am sure  others) found pretty  offensive in its own right.  There is, of course, an argument to be made that the responses to the post should be based primarily on its content and not its motivation.  But I think that the lamentable motivation should not be completely ignored." CreationDate="2019-08-02T03:40:22.097" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20618" PostId="4307" Score="1" Text="How many male strippers does it take to change an abelian grape?" CreationDate="2019-08-02T06:46:33.643" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20619" PostId="4307" Score="6" Text="@Gerry: Two. One at home, and one at work. (See, the grape is commuting.)" CreationDate="2019-08-02T07:18:48.207" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20620" PostId="4307" Score="4" Text="As I see, the question has [historical lock](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/1083/revisions). This means that - unless the lock is removed - the answers cannot be edited or deleted by regular users." CreationDate="2019-08-02T07:37:08.240" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20623" PostId="4307" Score="4" Text="I challenge the assertion &quot;This website is a professional environment.&quot;, and suggest that a different basis be picked for deleting part of the post.  While I do not encourage further additions to the (historical) post, this post represents part of what MathOverflow was; removing parts of it may encourage something worse coming back, or even more history being removed.  Gerhard &quot;Unsure Where Traction Is Here&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.02." CreationDate="2019-08-02T15:29:17.363" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20624" PostId="4307" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman The WayBackMachine exists to keep historical records. The live site, in my opinion, should represent the current consensus of what's on-topic on the site, and shouldn't really include things that are off-topic today (even though they were on-topic at the time)." CreationDate="2019-08-02T15:41:29.070" UserId="120224" />
  <row Id="20625" PostId="4307" Score="10" Text="I  think the Wayback Machine should not be relied upon for an archive, and that today's community (as well as yesterday's and tomorrow's) should shoulder the responsibility for archiving this forum.  I also think the community has little consensus on most subjects related to the forum, apart from no spam and not much homework and try to keep the level of math high (and what level that averages out to is also unknown).  If we don't have clear reminders of what is off-topic today, what can we point to demonstrate something off topic?  Gerhard &quot;Most How To's Aren't Read&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.02." CreationDate="2019-08-02T15:51:07.663" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20655" PostId="4307" Score="15" Text="@AsafKaragila and Gerhard: I value the continued existence of the site - and my personal hope that it remains more like a resource of the form &quot;ask your colleague down the hall, except in this case no such person exists in your department&quot; rather than a gamified Wikipedia - more than attempts to preserve the tone and foibles from 10 years ago &gt;" CreationDate="2019-08-03T14:59:35.443" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20656" PostId="4307" Score="6" Text="&gt; also, I don't recall if, at the time, I said on http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussions/ that this question should be closed on grounds of general lameness (not blue humour, just intrinsic lameness) but that seems like an attitude I might have taken &gt;" CreationDate="2019-08-03T15:00:21.580" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20657" PostId="4307" Score="7" Text="&gt; and so it feels like the best resolution is to just delete the whole question, perhaps archiving the comment on some affiliated site if one feels strongly that Gedaechtniskirche serves a purpose here. There are more important issues of free speech to defend, perhaps in views expressed during actual answers to actual mathematical or academic questions, than the right to have a departmental lounge where one can drink and smoke. Yemon &quot;If We Fight Like Animals, We Die Like Animals&quot; Choi" CreationDate="2019-08-03T15:07:30.670" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20663" PostId="4307" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi: I've deleted my comments and will speak to Asaf about it more privately." CreationDate="2019-08-03T19:28:11.197" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20668" PostId="4307" Score="5" Text="Will we see censorship of mathematical terms coming, too? E.g. &quot;handlebody&quot; clearly has sexial connotations, by the same token as &quot;Moebius stripper&quot;." CreationDate="2019-08-04T08:32:29.613" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20674" PostId="4307" Score="26" Text="@AsafKaragila MO is not really like knocking on your office neighbor's door; it's more like knocking with thousands of people watching. You can use four-letter words in a private conversation, moderating their use as seems fit, but I don't think you would use them here because you know very well that lots of people find that distasteful (and they *will* be flagged and removed). &quot;As long as nobody is offended&quot;: No doubt that many women (and some men too) are offended, but far fewer have the audacity to say so -- many will try to shrug it off, with a mixture of irritation and resignation." CreationDate="2019-08-04T13:33:39.753" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20677" PostId="4307" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila Not to pile on, but I'd like to echo Todd's comment while also admitting (if Todd and Noah are reading) that _in private joking with friends_ I would use rather different language than I do on here, and that is because I know what will and won't offend friends, and what will and won't get taken personally." CreationDate="2019-08-04T15:31:16.640" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20678" PostId="4307" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble In the interests of balance, I'd have to admit that I have several friends in the maths community of varying gender, ethnicity, nationality, and socio-economic background, who would probably lean towards Asaf's expressed views on what is and isn't funny / acceptable; and some others who would lean towards Noah's, but by no means a clear majority either way" CreationDate="2019-08-04T15:36:49.837" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20679" PostId="4307" Score="1" Text="Tanner: espite my expressed views that it might be best to delete the whole of the original MO question/post, I must be honest and say that at heart I subscribe to the Mel Brooks philosophy https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21470-tragedy-is-when-i-cut-my-finger-comedy-is-when -- you may say that this has nothing to do with the &quot;sexually suggestive&quot; aspect that you highlight in the title of your own post/question, but I would argue that (a) comedy is transgressive, either against mores or against rationality (b) in settings where transgression can cause offence, let's not bother with the comedy" CreationDate="2019-08-04T15:46:57.697" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20682" PostId="4307" Score="1" Text="To be clear, I’m not even objecting to most of these jokes.  I don’t think MO is a good place for collecting jokes, but if someone were hosting a collection of math jokes somewhere else, I would only object to the 2nd and 3rd.  I respect the opinion of someone who objects to all of them (which is part of why I think MO shouldn’t be collecting jokes), but my opinion isn’t “dirty words are only allowed in private” it’s that the 2nd joke is really bad in public or in private." CreationDate="2019-08-04T16:01:28.223" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20683" PostId="4307" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi &quot;that _in private joking with friends_ I would use rather different language than I do on here&quot; ... me too, and really that's my entire point. In private with people I know well, I may use pretty coarse language, but in public I would certainly avoid that and I think that's appropriate. This point seems so utterly obvious that I'm have difficulty understanding a backlash to preserve certain sex jokes with more than a little wink-wink nudge-nudge element to them, in a public forum ostensibly dedicated to professional interests." CreationDate="2019-08-04T16:13:49.033" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20684" PostId="4307" Score="1" Text="I'll add, also for the sake of balance, that one of the best (or at least highly upvoted) jokes I ever made on MO was just a *bit* off-color, and I admit I'd sorta be sad to see it deleted. [I won't say what it was, but I think it'd be a stretch to consider it anti-woman.]" CreationDate="2019-08-04T16:15:53.563" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20685" PostId="4307" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble going out on a limb here, but I think it perfectly possible that for some (for many?) going on MO is a chance to let one's hair down, blow off steam, and feel part of a perceived or actual counter-establishment &quot;samizdat&quot; community ... So perhaps the downvoters of Tanner's question, and some of the commenters, are reacting against what they see as someone coming into _their_ &quot;space&quot; and laying down rules. (I also have theories about geography here)" CreationDate="2019-08-04T16:21:02.863" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20687" PostId="4307" Score="14" Text="@YemonChoi Yes, MO contains multitudes. Internally what I keep coming back to is what it might feel like being a woman reading stuff like this (cf. Elizabeth Henning's comment under one of the posts we're discussing). According to many women these sorts of little incidents are pervasive and oh so tiresome that a certain degree of fatigue sets in; Izabella Laba once wrote a long and eloquent screed on why she's not interested in MO. I'm not completely deaf to PC concerns, but I also think takes little effort to see the problem with some of these posts. Take it on a case by case basis." CreationDate="2019-08-04T16:35:23.163" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20696" PostId="4307" Score="6" Text="@Todd, I admit that I did not see Elizabeth's comments under that answer. And after reading them, I agree that that joke should probably be deleted. And while yes, we don't complain about s%#t problems in every f^#@king thread, I think that a thread about jokes is perfectly fine if the jokes are off color, or off colour I guess." CreationDate="2019-08-04T20:22:06.853" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20730" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="Links [two](https://mathoverflow.net/a/1229/5736) [three](https://mathoverflow.net/a/8496/5736) [four](https://mathoverflow.net/a/8931/5736) seem to point to the main question, rather than to any particular answers.  Have the answers been removed?" CreationDate="2019-08-07T01:54:57.763" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="20732" PostId="4307" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble, I was interested to read Izabelle Laba's [post](https://ilaba.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/why-im-not-on-mathoverflow) ([and](https://ilaba.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/still-not-on-mathoverflow)), but I couldn't find anything by Elizabeth Henning in a quick browse, or even by [searching](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=Elizabeth+Henning).  Could you link to the comment you [mention](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4307/should-these-sexually-suggestive-jokes-be-kept-or-deleted#comment20687_4307)?" CreationDate="2019-08-07T08:38:53.423" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="20733" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="@LSpice I have posted the comment you're asking about [in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/51286748#51286748)." CreationDate="2019-08-07T10:58:29.647" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20735" PostId="4307" Score="9" Text="Closing questions as &quot;opinion-based&quot; seems like an odd thing to do on meta." CreationDate="2019-08-08T07:40:03.450" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20736" PostId="4307" Score="1" Text="@LSpice, they must have been deleted, since the given times do not appear in the list when you sort the answers by &quot;oldest&quot;." CreationDate="2019-08-08T09:17:52.657" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="20737" PostId="4307" Score="4" Text="@GerryMyerson Indeed. -- And I think the combination of closing a question as &quot;opinion-based&quot; and taking concrete actions on the basis of it or triggered by it seems particularly weird ... ." CreationDate="2019-08-08T09:52:04.357" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20739" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="@LSpice yes, deleted. As a 10k+ user I can still see them." CreationDate="2019-08-09T07:08:57.757" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20745" PostId="4307" Score="5" Text="I see now that my first comment was somehow removed, without my consent. I don't know if this was a moderator acting on someone's flag, or if it simply was flagged by a few people and got deleted automatically. In either case, I am saddened to see my opinions removed in this way." CreationDate="2019-08-11T13:46:10.270" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20746" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila For what it's worth, I thought your comment seemed reasonable, and I definitely didn't see anything offensive or unhelpful about it. I'd be happy to see you re-post it as an answer instead of a comment, if you like." CreationDate="2019-08-11T14:04:22.617" UserId="5736" />
  <row Id="20750" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="I'll mention that the post has now been deleted. Perhaps this is not the end of the story, but I think now we can reset the counter and that this current meta post can also be deleted. If anyone wants to weigh in within the next 24 hours for some concluding remarks, go ahead." CreationDate="2019-08-12T00:07:42.030" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20754" PostId="4307" Score="7" Text="@Todd: Why are we deleting *this* thread?" CreationDate="2019-08-12T06:36:03.303" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20755" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble Users below 10k cannot see this - so I just want to ask whether it was deleted by regular users voting to deleted the question or whether it was a moderator action. (And I'll add that I also consider deleting the discussion on *meta*  rather unusual suggestion - I think that it's better to keep relevant past discussions rather than hiding them and leaving them displayed only to a fraction of users.)" CreationDate="2019-08-12T06:38:31.227" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20756" PostId="4307" Score="0" Text="@Martin: Todd cast the final deletion vote." CreationDate="2019-08-12T06:38:54.403" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20757" PostId="4307" Score="12" Text="I think deleting the question is an even bigger mistake than deleting the part under discussion. It feels like removing this meta question is a bigger mistake still. I wonder what will be deleted (and then forgotten or covered up) next.  Shout out to @Asaf for trying to preserve rather than erase." CreationDate="2019-08-12T06:56:18.330" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20759" PostId="4307" Score="7" Text="@ToddTrimble: I'd like to point out that since a moderator has cast the final vote to delete, regular users cannot vote to undelete. Also let me point out that at the time the final vote to delete was cast, the question had 4 pending votes to reopen." CreationDate="2019-08-12T09:51:23.243" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20760" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="Okay, I'm listening. Mine was the 10th vote to delete, and to be honest I forgot the aspect that Stefan pointed out -- mea culpa. I take back the proposal to delete this meta post." CreationDate="2019-08-12T11:05:50.567" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20761" PostId="4307" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila Your first comment was flagged as rude/offensive, and I agree with that assessment. If you think your defense of the miniskirt joke is worth preserving, you are welcome to expand on your ideas with a blog post somewhere." CreationDate="2019-08-12T14:09:09.317" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="20766" PostId="4307" Score="8" Text="@S.Carnahan:  For the vast majority of us, I would imagine that inclusivity as well as tolerance of other viewpoints are both important virtues, and the difficult bit is about how to balance them.  In this context, I find removing Asaf's comment as offensive puzzling.  If I remember correctly, there was nothing rude in what he wrote, and I don't even think he defended the Bourbaki joke.  I recall that he pointed out jokes 1 and 4 as being not obviously sexist.   The discussion is about whether these jokes are offensive or not; how can Asaf's opinion on that be  disallowed?" CreationDate="2019-08-12T18:47:32.037" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="20780" PostId="4307" Score="12" Text="@S.Carnahan: I wrote to Noah in a private email. I did not defend the second joke. I pointed out that it does not read to me as sexually offensive in any kind of way. I *know* that moderating a sensitive topic is hard, I do. But I would appreciate if you don't dismiss me to a &quot;blog somewhere&quot; if I have a different opinion and a different point of view. What about the comments that blatantly call me a sexist? Are they not rude towards me? I don't see you telling those people to blog about it somewhere else." CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:15:28.683" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20802" PostId="4307" Score="14" Text="It is good that these matters are being considered seriously, but we're treading a very fine line between moral idealism and censorship here -- deleting Asaf's comment on a meta thread seems to cross that line. As a &lt;10k user who's just entered this discussion I've been censored from even seeing Asaf's comment to evaluate its contents; it's just gone. I was able to infer from the [...] in his second post that I'd missed something, but I know less about his position than I would otherwise (and it would be easy to assume he defended the second joke if he hadn't clarified above)." CreationDate="2019-08-13T05:32:24.843" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="20817" PostId="4307" Score="5" Text="@Alec, 10k has nothing to do with it. Once a *comment* is deleted, you can't see it no matter how many points you have." CreationDate="2019-08-13T13:33:25.423" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20889" PostId="4307" Score="5" Text="@S.Carnahan: I find it quite insulting that not only you reacted the way you did, but despite several people (other than me) criticising your behavior, you decided that it is not important in any way to defend your actions. I suppose that you may have blogged about it elsewhere? May I have the link?" CreationDate="2019-08-15T13:51:45.707" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20892" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila Since you feel so strongly about this, I've undeleted your comment for now.  Would you care to explain your defense of the miniskirt joke?  To me, it appeared to be a disingenuous deflection, basically &quot;why ever would you be offended if this precise word doesn't appear?&quot; when the context makes it rather obvious." CreationDate="2019-08-16T05:06:17.443" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="20893" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="@S.Carnahan: Thank you. Let me clarify now, I am not &quot;defending&quot; that skirt joke. It wasn't particularly funny, but it also reflects how skirts were seen at the time. It did not age well, yes, with that I agree. And as I wrote Todd, I did not see Elizabeth's comments when I wrote mine. I certainly support that being deleted after seeing those. But at the end of the day, I didn't read this joke as sexual, or as demeaning to women. And perhaps that is a cultural thing. And this whole gang up that happened on this page feels like enforcing Americanism on people who are not from the US. [...]" CreationDate="2019-08-16T07:17:19.820" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20894" PostId="4307" Score="3" Text="[...] And at the end of the day, to me that is just as bad as sexist jokes. But maybe that's because I am not from the US, and I don't think that the culture in the US is so great that we need to follow its example. So let me repeat what I said, again, I am not defending that joke, nor I have defended that joke. I also didn't feel that this joke is made to sexualize women or their bodies (maybe I have seen a lot of men wearing skirts recently too). I do agree, however, that the joke *should* be deleted, after seeing Elizabeth's comments on it. If that's defending, maybe I'm using English wrong" CreationDate="2019-08-16T07:19:56.463" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20626" PostId="4309" Score="2" Text="Note that, as far as I understand, people (with 20k+ reputation) can vote to delete only answers with score -1 or less. So, for instance, a necessary condition for the first example to be deleted with the normal process is that it gets downvoted by at least 88 different users beforehand. (And, on the other hand, its score means that at least 87 people in the past have found the answer OK and upvoted it.)" CreationDate="2019-08-02T16:17:13.670" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="20630" PostId="4309" Score="7" Text="I'm a little confused, as it seems that you did in fact unilaterally delete most of these answers not long after you posted this statement of your intention not to do so.  Did something change in the interim?" CreationDate="2019-08-02T17:20:09.620" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20631" PostId="4309" Score="9" Text="Regarding  the cost-benefit analysis in the second paragraph, you seem to have omitted the cost of a great many people feeling marginalized by having their upvotes ignored." CreationDate="2019-08-02T17:25:09.393" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20633" PostId="4309" Score="4" Text="@StevenLandsburg Are you making your claim seriously and in good faith?  It seems unlikely to me that more than a handful of the people who voted on an answer to an off-topic community-wiki question would care enough about its deletion 9 years later to feel marginalized." CreationDate="2019-08-02T17:41:44.547" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="20635" PostId="4309" Score="5" Text="Scott: Yes, I am making my claim seriously and in good faith.  I did not upvote any of these jokes, and I can't imagine any circumstance in which I'd want to.  But I nevertheless feel personally offended that other people's upvotes are being ignored, and if I can feel offended on their behalf, then I think it's not a big stretch to think that some of them might feel offended on their own behalves as well." CreationDate="2019-08-02T17:58:10.037" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20636" PostId="4309" Score="10" Text="Scott:  I am also offended, like @HarryGindi , at the fact that this action is being taken at the behest of someone who is not an active member of the community, and who told us explicitly in the first version of his post that he was motivated by a pet psychological theory about what's wrong with the people who posted these jokes.  I am offended that such behavior is being rewarded.  So if you're counting the taking of offense as a cost, please add my feelings  to your balance sheet." CreationDate="2019-08-02T18:01:12.347" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20637" PostId="4309" Score="4" Text="I will add here that, given the opportunity, I think I'd have voted to delete a few of these --- but in this no way diminishes my unhappiness at the way this came about and the way it's being handled." CreationDate="2019-08-02T18:15:40.977" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20638" PostId="4309" Score="3" Text="It may sound like someone who is not part of the community, but the user page of the question's original poster shows some contribution away from zero.  If there are ten community members in chat concerned about this issue, let their voices be heard in meta as well.  I appreciate Scott Carnahan's disclosure, but feel that his action was premature. I hope he can undo it. I hope also more of the community responds.  Gerhard &quot;Other Expression Forms At Risk&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.02." CreationDate="2019-08-02T18:24:06.393" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20640" PostId="4309" Score="1" Text="Fortunately for this issue, I've avoided having a career. If the people who are upset want to stay silent themselves then **** ****.  I care enough about this forum to voice concerns similar to that of Steve and of Asaf.  If a member speaks out on the issue of the care of this forum and their career gets a hit because of it, we should be aware of that too. Gerhard &quot;It's Bigger Than It Seems&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.02." CreationDate="2019-08-02T18:38:31.717" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20641" PostId="4309" Score="9" Text="While some of the deleted responses were no great loss, it still seems preferable to obtain a consensus from the MO community rather than proceeding unilaterally.   Currently, this question has 13 votes in favor and 11 against -- this seems hardly conclusive.  I understand that one cannot vote to delete the problematic answers -- but people could be asked to flag them for moderator action, and if there are enough users who do that (adjusting for number of upvotes of the relevant answer) then it would be entirely appropriate for the moderators to delete." CreationDate="2019-08-02T18:54:34.393" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="20642" PostId="4309" Score="1" Text="@StevenLandsburg Thank you for letting me know your thoughts on this." CreationDate="2019-08-02T18:55:03.713" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="20643" PostId="4309" Score="1" Text="@Steven and Harry, I do feel guilty about the role that I played in making you (and, it sounds like, several others) upset. I don't know of anything I can say that will make the situation better and not worse, which is why I haven't really said anything beyond my original post." CreationDate="2019-08-02T19:01:50.373" UserId="5736" />
  <row Id="20644" PostId="4309" Score="2" Text="@S.Carnahan :  Thanks very much for listening." CreationDate="2019-08-02T19:02:11.923" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20648" PostId="4309" Score="3" Text="@Tanner, I think you have a valid concern, but (in my opinion) your rationale for the concern is not good enough as a basis for action. If the community says collectively &quot;We don't need these anymore&quot;, then the bad jokes will be deleted.  I think they are needed, and that their deletion should be even more carefully considered. Gerhard &quot;Bad Examples Also Have Purpose&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.02." CreationDate="2019-08-02T21:03:59.683" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20650" PostId="4309" Score="3" Text="@GerryMyerson:  Yah, I worried about this, but failed to follow up on it. There's also the issue of my referring both to &quot;their behalf&quot; and &quot;their behalves&quot; in the same sentence; surely this can't be right whether or not &quot;behalves&quot; is a word." CreationDate="2019-08-02T23:31:27.097" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20689" PostId="4309" Score="0" Text="@Lucia Could you say more precisely what &quot;adjusting for number of upvotes of the relevant answer&quot; should mean? The miniskirt joke has more than 50 upvotes, but I am not comfortable seeing if 50 flags accumulate before taking it down." CreationDate="2019-08-04T18:18:40.623" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20693" PostId="4309" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble:  Hi Todd, I don't quite know -- you guys are the moderators!   Roughly what I had in mind was something like the delete process, which requires more votes depending on the number of upvotes.  As a first thought, something like 3 flags to start with, and then adding extra flags at the ratio of 20 upvotes to 1 (I believe this is the ratio for deleting questions), which would suggest something like 6 flags for that answer?" CreationDate="2019-08-04T19:16:17.870" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="20698" PostId="4309" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble:  I think (although I'd disagree) that one could reasonably argue for ignoring the upvotes and taking unilateral action. I also think one could reasonably argue for holding the equivalent of an election.  But I don't think one could reasonably argue for holding the equivalent of an election augmented by a weighting scheme chosen ad hoc  to insure a pre-determined outcome.  (I'm not saying you've proposed this, but I think some of the discussion has come perilously close to it.)" CreationDate="2019-08-04T20:44:18.743" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20700" PostId="4309" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble :  As an appendix to my above comment, I want to make it clear that I agree that several of these jokes don't belong here, but am mildly uncomfortable with the idea of overruling so many upvotes, and far more uncomfortable with the idea of doing so in response to a post as inflammatory as the one that triggered all this." CreationDate="2019-08-04T20:47:14.710" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20703" PostId="4309" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg I've read the post several times, and saw the retraction and edit too. Do you find it still inflammatory?" CreationDate="2019-08-04T20:49:47.160" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20705" PostId="4309" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble :  Yes, but only because I'm aware of the history." CreationDate="2019-08-04T21:09:04.950" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="20706" PostId="4309" Score="5" Text="@StevenLandsburg Okay. The only thing I'd add is that Tanner did apologize as well, and there's not much more he (I'm pretty sure &quot;he&quot;) can do at this point. But anyway I think we may be inching along to some semblance of consensus, at points. (By the way, I'm not going to be applying any pre-set algorithm; just use my judgment in determining any action to be taken.)" CreationDate="2019-08-04T21:17:35.600" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20654" PostId="4310" Score="3" Text="I actually think this would be a less divisive course of action than selective deletion of a small number. (Note that I am still not commenting on the rights or wrongs of people's assertions in the comment thread to this meta question)" CreationDate="2019-08-03T14:54:04.547" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20659" PostId="4310" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi: Yeah that's basically my point in suggesting this.  I mean of course we're going to all disagree about exactly what the line is for what jokes are appropriate, that's why MO shouldn't be in the business of collecting jokes." CreationDate="2019-08-03T15:24:58.193" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20660" PostId="4310" Score="8" Text="It's a bit unclear if you're proposing for the moderators to delete the question, or for users to vote to delete it.  The first seems problematic to me in this case, and the second can be done anyway (and might indeed be the best solution).  In this case, I think it would take 10 votes to delete the question (because of its popularity), and that would seem fair.  (Of course 10 people could then vote to undelete if they felt strongly in the opposite direction ...)  Personally, I think OP unnecessarily opened up a can of worms -- a ten year old question with no new activity or interest." CreationDate="2019-08-03T16:39:07.773" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="20661" PostId="4310" Score="6" Text="@Lucia: Good point, I was imagining the mods do it, but I think you're right it's simpler for users to just vote to delete.  I've gone ahead and put in my vote (though I'm sure if it's closed that vote will get reversed).  I also think you're right that this meta thread was counterproductive, it just encourages people to write defenses of the jokes which is worse than the existence of a closed question." CreationDate="2019-08-03T16:46:04.277" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20670" PostId="4310" Score="6" Text="Personally, I like many of the jokes that are in the answers to that question. I would hate to see them all gone just because four out of 87 answers are questionable." CreationDate="2019-08-04T12:15:29.393" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="20676" PostId="4310" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Can't they be archived on tea? We could keep all of them and a mod note could be added at the start saying &quot;this is historical material, does not reflect the views of the mods, etc&quot;" CreationDate="2019-08-04T15:18:49.497" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20680" PostId="4310" Score="2" Text="Also someone who wants to curate jokes about math could set up their own site for it." CreationDate="2019-08-04T15:55:47.997" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20681" PostId="4310" Score="0" Text="@NoahSnyder Indeed. (Though see my comments on the main thread if you want a truer reflection of my actual views on humour)" CreationDate="2019-08-04T15:59:53.303" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20686" PostId="4310" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi Can't they be archived here on the main site, where they were originally posted, with the same disclaimer? What's the difference? Or maybe find a solution just for those four posts?" CreationDate="2019-08-04T16:30:31.207" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="20950" PostId="4310" Score="0" Text="I still don't believe it." CreationDate="2019-08-25T22:37:36.500" UserId="26591" />
  <row Id="20694" PostId="4311" Score="0" Text="If you upvoted this comment consider flagging the relevant answer." CreationDate="2019-08-04T19:25:21.497" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20708" PostId="4311" Score="3" Text="&quot;...the culture that says that it's ok to make analogies between mathematics and attractive women, and that's not ok.&quot; Is making analogies (or similies) between music and attractive women OK? Asking for Irving Berlin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pretty_Girl_Is_Like_a_Melody" CreationDate="2019-08-04T22:53:49.720" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20709" PostId="4311" Score="23" Text="If you're a professor of music composition, yes it would be inappropriate to explain the concept of a melody by using an analogy to what parts of a woman you find most attractive.  If you're writing a pop song about what you find attractive in women, then that's entirely different.  This shouldn't be very difficult to understand.  I'm not objecting to &quot;The Math of Love Triangles.&quot;  I'm objecting to people sexualizing their explanations of math concepts." CreationDate="2019-08-04T23:00:05.450" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20710" PostId="4311" Score="11" Text="I accept your distinction between giving a class on music composition and writing a pop song. Isn't there a distinction between giving a math talk and posting to an MO thread on jokes?" CreationDate="2019-08-04T23:09:53.330" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20711" PostId="4311" Score="19" Text="I'll agree that it's *worse* in a math talk.  At any rate, the context here is not harmless.  It's a quote which is used in an article to illustrate the way a prestigious and powerful group of exclusively male mathematicians talked about math among themselves in a sexualized way.  It's not a coincidence that there were no women in Bourbaki.  I guess inviting a woman would have spoiled the fun of constantly making bawdy jokes about women's bodies while talking math." CreationDate="2019-08-04T23:29:24.967" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20712" PostId="4311" Score="6" Text="As the guy who defended the joke* ten years ago, I have to say that I understand this explanation and I agree with the delete.&#xA;&#xA;* But not sexualization of mathematics." CreationDate="2019-08-05T09:07:10.600" UserId="6818" />
  <row Id="20713" PostId="4311" Score="7" Text="While I agree with many of your points about inappropriateness, I yet again find myself taking issue with your mind-reading skills. People in different places &amp; in different times &amp; in different contexts think differently from people you might think they resemble now. &quot; I guess inviting a woman would have spoiled the fun of constantly making bawdy jokes about women's bodies while talking math&quot; seems to be putting cart before horse;- Bourbaki's failure to invite women was prob. a symptom of other things &amp; their sense of what was appropriate humour was a symptom of absence of women, not a cause" CreationDate="2019-08-05T14:58:20.760" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20714" PostId="4311" Score="2" Text="Yes you're certainly right that the causation goes both directions.  At article length and not comment length I'd have put more nuance into that phrasing." CreationDate="2019-08-05T15:00:24.923" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20716" PostId="4311" Score="0" Text="[deleted a comment which evinced the same carelessness that I have been prone to criticize in others]" CreationDate="2019-08-05T15:05:25.083" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20717" PostId="4311" Score="5" Text="You might want to have a look at the article, you can judge for yourself whether my summary is fair.  (The author certainly phrases it more dispassionately and academically than I did, but I don't think I've misread the point.)  https://www.jstor.org/stable/301970?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents" CreationDate="2019-08-05T15:09:05.680" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20718" PostId="4311" Score="0" Text="@NoahSnyder yes I belatedly looked at it, which is why I retracted one of my comments; but I think I still stand by my earlier comment" CreationDate="2019-08-05T15:20:29.453" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20719" PostId="4311" Score="2" Text="If I could edit comments outside of the 5-minute window I'd happily rephrase that last sentence.  I'm somewhat hesitant to delete the whole comment just because I could have phrased one sentence better.  But I take your point." CreationDate="2019-08-05T15:22:52.153" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20740" PostId="4311" Score="3" Text="@NoahSnyder you should read some Susan McClary - a feminist professor of musicology who has written that at one point in Beethoven's 9th symphony &quot; the carefully prepared cadence is frustrated, damming up energy which finally explodes in the throttling murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining release.&quot; People who live in glass houses, or ivory towers, etc..." CreationDate="2019-08-09T13:28:38.420" UserId="136390" />
  <row Id="20741" PostId="4311" Score="9" Text="Yeah, don't do that.  Think about the situation you're putting rape survivors in if you put in a brief unsupported rape analogy in your argument." CreationDate="2019-08-09T14:55:19.930" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20742" PostId="4311" Score="1" Text="(Important caveat, of course if you're teaching about gender and sexuality you have to discuss sex in an academic context.  I would have no problem with someone giving students a paper assignment about the relevant paragraph of *Bourbaki's Art of Memory* during a course on the history of mathematics that included a month on the history of gender and sexuality in mathematics.)" CreationDate="2019-08-09T14:59:18.743" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20743" PostId="4311" Score="9" Text="But I think it's telling that your one example is 30+ years old from a book I'm reasonably confident you've never read (I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong).  I've heard men make analogies about math and attractive women at least a dozen times in the last decade or so.  If this &quot;joke&quot; were a one-off that wasn't part of a larger pattern among mathematicians then my opinion would be a lot less strong, though I'd still think it wasn't a great story to tell." CreationDate="2019-08-09T15:13:17.017" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20744" PostId="4311" Score="13" Text="@alephzero Out of interest, as someone whose account says that you've been on this site for 5 months, and as someone who doesn't appear to have posted on it, what exactly is your interest and your relevant experience on how a site for research mathematicians and their community should moderate its content?" CreationDate="2019-08-10T00:37:01.997" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20856" PostId="4311" Score="0" Text="Some of this is stuff is quite disturbing, I have to admit I was not really aware of the extent of this due to the fact that I studied originally online and have not been to that many academic talks.  This is quite troubling though." CreationDate="2019-08-14T14:32:26.140" UserId="119114" />
  <row Id="20857" PostId="4311" Score="1" Text="For example, there is the famous case of the Cox-Zucker machine, where a male mathematician takes a concept from mathematics discovered by two male mathematicians and then turns it into a lewd joke for the benefit of other male mathematicians and sniggering material for male mathematics students.  I think this stuff has to stop, and maybe wouldn't even mind if the concept was re-named.  I also have heard people in my office making lewd jokes of this kind, this is a bit troubling." CreationDate="2019-08-14T14:36:24.347" UserId="119114" />
  <row Id="21326" PostId="4311" Score="0" Text="The most famous analogy between mathematics and a beautiful woman I can think of is Edna St. Vincent Millay's 1922 poem &quot;Euclid Alone has Looked On Beauty Bare&quot;.  I don't have a good sense of how it would come across today, in the situation Noah describes." CreationDate="2019-11-27T09:32:47.013" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="20671" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="To be honest, I've never particularly liked the last one, because it's often paired with a 'wink wink, nudge nudge'. But finding coincidental homophones from other languages amusing/offensive (as in 5.) reminds me of some kids in my first German class at school where we learned the noun 'der Vater' (worse: Whakatane, New Zealand, which has an unexpected pronunciation)" CreationDate="2019-08-04T12:39:11.660" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20672" PostId="4312" Score="8" Text="When correctly viewed/Everything is lewd. (Tom Lehrer, Smut)" CreationDate="2019-08-04T13:15:09.070" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20673" PostId="4312" Score="14" Text="Do I really need to say that MO has no plans to censor terms established in the literature? What we're primarily discussing here are (IMO mostly lame) jokes that are intentionally sexually tinged. I don't think any of the terms you mention fall under that category, and honestly I find this a little alarmist in tone." CreationDate="2019-08-04T13:24:02.667" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20675" PostId="4312" Score="5" Text="(Alas, if the Moebius stripper joke-maker had instead started with &quot;Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip?&quot;, then we wouldn't need to have this conversation!)" CreationDate="2019-08-04T13:47:22.480" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20688" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@user131781 - I tried to keep straight face while writing this..." CreationDate="2019-08-04T17:39:58.053" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20695" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@Todd: We wouldn't need this conversation because *that* joke would suck and there was a consensus for deleting it? Or maybe because it wouldn't be flagged as &quot;sexually suggestive&quot; or otherwise &quot;less professional&quot;? Maybe we need to work it out with a pencil... :-)" CreationDate="2019-08-04T20:15:09.413" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20697" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila Actually, the chicken version is there in the thread :-) And also, I heard that it was in Big Bang Theory. So I guess it was already field tested. :-)" CreationDate="2019-08-04T20:44:03.767" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20699" PostId="4312" Score="5" Text="@Todd: Some offense to the writers of TBBT, it sucked when it came to actual nerd culture. It mainly reinforced outdated stereotypes. You can't claim that the mini-skirt joke is offensive to women, while defending TBBT with a smile." CreationDate="2019-08-04T20:45:13.687" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20701" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Not defending... just stating the facts ma'am. :-)" CreationDate="2019-08-04T20:47:30.107" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20702" PostId="4312" Score="4" Text="@Todd: It was field tested as crap, that's what. Because the majority of science jokes in TBBT were crap that was passed as &quot;LOOK! SCIENCY WORDS!&quot;" CreationDate="2019-08-04T20:48:27.907" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20704" PostId="4312" Score="8" Text="@AsafKaragila Okay, Asaf. I'm really not defending TBBT, honest." CreationDate="2019-08-04T20:50:41.373" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20720" PostId="4312" Score="10" Text="@AsafKaragila: I do think it's telling that you get irate at TBBT's misrepresentation of &quot;nerd culture&quot;, but are seemingly ok with jokes premised on sexism and the objectification of women." CreationDate="2019-08-05T17:26:14.683" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="20721" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@Andy: Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that I am okay with sexist jokes or with jokes that objectify women. It's your pregoretive to think this way, of course. But you'd be in the wrong. While you're washing your hands from any past misdeeds don't forget to wash Frege off you, as well as Einstein, and might as well wash von Neumann too. Of course, you'd say, one can appreciate their scientific contributions while critiquing their personal choices. But I guess I'm not allowed this freedom..." CreationDate="2019-08-05T17:33:48.147" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20722" PostId="4312" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila: The point of the last part of your rant (the one involving a list of famous mathematicians) eludes me.  I've said what I think needs to be said.  Given all you've written, there is enough material for other people to draw their own conclusions..." CreationDate="2019-08-05T18:24:39.263" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="20723" PostId="4312" Score="6" Text="@AndyPutman would this not be better done with private communication?" CreationDate="2019-08-05T18:28:16.240" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20724" PostId="4312" Score="7" Text="@Andy: I have no interest in trying to change the opinion of someone who has made up his mind. Please leave me alone." CreationDate="2019-08-05T18:28:19.623" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20726" PostId="4312" Score="3" Text="Late to the party, but what drug-related innuendo is there in &quot;pipe dream&quot;? Also, I have been unable to come up with any lewd imagery for &quot;perverse sheaves&quot;, and it's not for lack of trying. Is there something I've missed?" CreationDate="2019-08-06T16:06:55.833" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20727" PostId="4312" Score="7" Text="@darijgrinberg - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_dream : &quot;Wild dreams induced by inhaling from an opium pipe&quot;." CreationDate="2019-08-06T17:19:16.240" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20728" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="@darijgrinberg - people in this thread are triggered by words such as &quot;stripper&quot;, &quot;backside&quot;, etc - surely &quot;perversion&quot; can't be good either in their view..." CreationDate="2019-08-06T17:21:21.113" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20729" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="@DimaPasechnik Thanks! Now I finally get what this word means. (For some reason I thought pipe dreams referred to malfunctioning explosives, perhaps due to the semantically equivalent but not etymologically cognate German word &quot;Rohrkrepierer&quot;.)" CreationDate="2019-08-06T17:55:28.343" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20731" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="While I'm sure you know this and were being facetious, let me emphasise that there is nothing even remotely suggestive about the '[Tits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Tits)' in 'Tits alternative'." CreationDate="2019-08-07T08:29:21.587" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="20734" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@LSpice: What about Tits Buildings? Or as they are known in Norwich &quot;American style table dancing&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-08-07T12:48:54.740" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20738" PostId="4312" Score="3" Text="Pipe Dream is referring to 1990ish minigame: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_Mania" CreationDate="2019-08-08T23:50:57.223" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20749" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@Noah thanks for the memories!" CreationDate="2019-08-11T23:58:27.683" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20805" PostId="4312" Score="6" Text="Interesting, now even this is proposed to be deleted. Would the people who voted this be deleted please explain why? Is my point, that one should not edit history, irrelevant?" CreationDate="2019-08-13T07:16:01.830" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20806" PostId="4312" Score="2" Text="[GLAVLIT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Directorate_for_the_Protection_of_State_Secrets_in_the_Press) seems to be alive and kicking..." CreationDate="2019-08-13T07:17:56.243" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20821" PostId="4312" Score="10" Text="Please don't delete this." CreationDate="2019-08-13T13:50:29.893" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20831" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="I agree with @ToddTrimble (GLAVLIT seems strong; maybe MASSOLIT if one perceives a &quot;herd&quot; effect? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_and_Margarita )" CreationDate="2019-08-13T14:54:02.097" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20832" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="BTW, Dima, I suggest reverting your edit. I do actually understand your frustration and I would certainly oppose any move to delete this answer" CreationDate="2019-08-13T14:55:47.597" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20836" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="@Todd: In spirit of moderator intervention, you can delete and undelete to nullify the delete votes..." CreationDate="2019-08-13T16:58:56.760" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20843" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble - please feel free to undo my last edit." CreationDate="2019-08-13T20:31:01.870" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="20896" PostId="4313" Score="2" Text="Should be fixed now. Of course, you'll have to wait for the next outage to confirm..." CreationDate="2019-08-16T16:26:26.743" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="20897" PostId="4313" Score="2" Text="Thank you, Shog9." CreationDate="2019-08-16T16:27:56.193" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20748" PostId="4315" Score="1" Text="Actually I see now that someone else has made this suggestion, but as a postscript to an answer that seems to have been highly downvoted for other reasons." CreationDate="2019-08-11T19:06:06.697" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="20764" PostId="4317" Score="15" Text="I don't see much evidence behind the rather strong &quot;Everyone who cannot see deleted threads is likely to conclude...&quot; claim.  For example, a reasonable alternative explanation would be &quot;There was an old closed post that people mostly ignored, but after it became the subject of discussion, 10 people with enough points decided it wasn't worth keeping.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-08-12T18:41:17.500" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="20765" PostId="4317" Score="17" Text="@S.Carnahan: This thread [has been referenced multiple times](https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmathoverflow.net%2Fquestions%2F1083%2Fdo-good-math-jokes-exist&amp;oq=https%3A%2F%2Fmathoverflow.net%2Fquestions%2F1083%2Fdo-good-math-jokes-exist&amp;aqs=chrome..69i64.294j0j4&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8), and even the meta discussion at some point observed that one of the answers in question had 88 upvotes. The internet doesn't forget that easily." CreationDate="2019-08-12T18:46:23.010" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20767" PostId="4317" Score="9" Text="&quot;are motivated ... by [a]... desire to appear maximally professional, polite and smooth to the outside world&quot; -- you don't know that's the motivation of the 10 individuals who voted to delete." CreationDate="2019-08-12T20:12:04.740" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20768" PostId="4317" Score="20" Text="That's right, Darij doesn't know. Just like I don't know that MathOverflow is being influenced by Social Justice Warriors with no regard to the community at large.  But that is how it appears to me with the deletion of the question. And this is not the first episode to suggest that to me." CreationDate="2019-08-12T20:29:59.073" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20769" PostId="4317" Score="12" Text="@ToddTrimble: I don't know for sure, but I'm making conclusions based on the lack of other arguments presented in the meta thread. Claims of harm and exclusion have not been underpinned with evidence; a general dislike of the thread has been stated multiple times, but not confirmed to be a majority opinion; the very poster who started the thread has responded with bewilderment that it had the unintended effect of disappearing the whole question. This is supposed to be one of the most transparent places on the internet; if you have better reasons, do tell!" CreationDate="2019-08-12T20:30:09.007" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20770" PostId="4317" Score="0" Text="Let me ask a question. If the 10th and final vote to delete the joke thread were made by a normal user, would you have created this post?" CreationDate="2019-08-12T20:30:29.440" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20771" PostId="4317" Score="11" Text="@ToddTrimble: Probably yes, since I have actually (mis)used the word &quot;moderator&quot; in the meaning of &quot;20k+ user&quot;. However, in a way, the fact that the final vote was from a ♦ moderator makes the problem worth: it prevents undeletion by regular high-rep users." CreationDate="2019-08-12T20:32:09.577" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20772" PostId="4317" Score="2" Text="Yes, I know, and I already admitted in the other thread that unfortunately I forgot this fact. Just like I usually do when I cast a vote to close a question at main, I wait until four others have voted first and then vote last (except in cases where closure seems utterly inevitable), so that my own vote is weighted like every else's. When I saw nine votes to delete, I followed that same modus operandi, but as I say I forgot about the prevention of undeletion. If we put that aside however, I would view the 10 votes as a normal democratic outcome." CreationDate="2019-08-12T20:39:40.143" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20773" PostId="4317" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble: Even in democratic outcomes, it makes sense to ask about purposes and consequences and whether the former could be attained in a different way avoiding the latter." CreationDate="2019-08-12T20:41:41.620" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20774" PostId="4317" Score="7" Text="Thank you for your edit, Darij. I would also say that &quot;prompt deletion&quot; is inaccurate. The joke question was actually controversial back in 2009, and the more recent discussion played out over some time; I held back from saying anything there for quite some time, and the votes to delete (prompted no doubt by the discussion) trickled in slowly. Anyway, saying &quot;prompt deletion&quot; creates an appearance that various parties acted rashly and dictatorially, and what with accusations of SJW being flung around, adding fuel to the fire, this doesn't seem quite fair." CreationDate="2019-08-12T20:56:23.220" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20775" PostId="4317" Score="15" Text="@ToddTrimble I'd just like to point out that there are no &quot;don't delete&quot;-votes, and that we cannot know how many people would have voted in that direction if that possibility would exist. -- So without the possibility to vote for undeletion at least after the thread had been deleted, I'm not sure how deletion can be seen as a democratic decision of the community here(?)" CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:00:42.327" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20776" PostId="4317" Score="0" Text="Hey Stefan, I think this point has already been mentioned before. I am saying **if** it were a normal user casting the 10th vote, then that would be democracy in action. I have already conceded that it was unfortunate that I had forgotten about the effects of my vote." CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:05:02.147" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20777" PostId="4317" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble: Removed the word &quot;prompt&quot;, which wasn't load-bearing or particularly precise. It seemed prompt to me, since it happened 2 or so days after I first saw the meta discussion. Whether one ascribes the decision to SJW influence or to an obsession with professional appearance or to embarrassment over bad humor is perhaps a question of one's prior experience with MO, since very few of the delete voters have taken part in the discussion; the one similar situation that I personally remember was the Scream deletion, so I homed in on the second option." CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:05:33.030" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20778" PostId="4317" Score="3" Text="Thanks for that edit. In general, here at meta it would be much,much better to keep one's ideas (projections?) about the motives of others to one's self -- and stick to assertions that can be backed up with evidence. This meta post seems to some degree based on assumptions about motives, especially your point 3. And just as no one is obliged to explain a reason to vote to close, I don't think it's wise to set up a system where people are obliged to explain a vote to delete." CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:11:49.317" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20779" PostId="4317" Score="7" Text="@ToddTrimble: If motivations cannot be discussed, then decisions cannot properly be analyzed. My impression is that the whole deletion system was originally intended for dealing with (literal) spam, and set up accordingly (thus the ease of deleting and the lack of feedback mechanism). But it is now being used for quality control and occasionally, as it seems, for public image management; I don't believe this should be done with the same automatism and lightness as deleting spam. I don't think anyone should be strictly *obliged* to explain a vote, but in case of important votes like this, ..." CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:15:00.190" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20781" PostId="4317" Score="6" Text="... it is definitely legitimate to ask for reasons, and if none are given, to question the extent to which the moderation team and the whole 20K+ subcommunity act in the interests of the site." CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:15:49.490" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20782" PostId="4317" Score="5" Text="For what it's worth, even though I am very much against the deletion of the thread as a whole, and even some of the jokes mentioned in the other discussion, I can completely understand where the moderators deletion is coming from. Sites like MSE, and I guess also MO, work well when there is *less* controversy. If certain questions become highly controversial, an action is needed to remove that obstacle. This can be locking as &quot;historically significant content&quot; or mod-deletion. But some action needs to take place. [...]" CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:25:45.510" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20783" PostId="4317" Score="4" Text="Well, Todd -- such things can happen, and actually there is not much lost by that. -- Since (in contrast to close-/reopen votes) a user can immediately cast another delete vote after a thread has been undeleted, to undo that small mistake, it would suffice to undelete the question to restart the decision process. -- Then the people who voted to delete can vote to delete again, and once the question is deleted, others can vote to undelete if they wish so. -- Or are there any issues with this approach which I don't see?" CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:27:31.453" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="20784" PostId="4317" Score="3" Text="[...] If something is considered offensive to a large enough demographic, I understand why the instinct is to delete it. And even if I disagree with the deletion, I get why it happened. I would have opted, personally, to locking the thread and deleting the more contentious jokes. But that requires more time and effort, and I see why someone with a diamond would just delete it and get it done. But I am not even sure that I am supposed to participate in this particular discussion, it's not a blogpost somewhere... :-P" CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:28:33.953" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20785" PostId="4317" Score="5" Text="&quot;stood undisputed&quot; is a really weird description of an answer whose second comment was someone criticizing it as sexist which had 68 upvotes!" CreationDate="2019-08-12T21:58:11.120" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="20786" PostId="4317" Score="7" Text="@NoahSnyder: But that's not visible from the meta discussion when the thread itself is deleted!" CreationDate="2019-08-12T22:00:19.023" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20787" PostId="4317" Score="5" Text="FWIW, I think my vote to delete was pretty well explained in the various comments I left. I understand if people disagree with me that deletion was the &quot;least wrong&quot; option, but I just wanted to point out that this was not an impulse decision. I think I was the 6th or 7th vote to delete, and these votes did not start until some time after the original question; debate was already going on before you happened to look at the meta question, Darij" CreationDate="2019-08-12T22:06:04.737" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20788" PostId="4317" Score="1" Text="It's also worth noting that, beyond the comments here and on meta, there were flags on some of the answers, only visible to moderators. As well as @NoahSnyder's example of the highly upvoted comment criticizing one answer as sexist, some of the flags also disputed the appropriateness of the posts." CreationDate="2019-08-12T23:19:48.450" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="20789" PostId="4317" Score="7" Text="The moderation process is simply not going to be a purely public process, and for delicate issues there is always going to be an internal discussion amongst the moderators, parallel to the public discussion here on meta. It's always been this way, and at least I think it's mostly worked. There was clear consensus amongst the moderators that eventually this question needed to be removed." CreationDate="2019-08-12T23:23:13.573" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="20792" PostId="4317" Score="21" Text="@ScottMorrison: That's sad to hear. If it was limited to the jokes thread, I wouldn't care much, but I highly suspect that this non-public moderation process will be exploited to get rid of other material in the future, material which is more on-topic and substantial than a list of jokes. After all, it seems that one moderately popular meta thread started by any outsider is sufficient to cause deletion (and if it fails, one can try again, with other arguments), while undeletion is essentially impossible unless moderators team up. I would love to be disproven on this prediction." CreationDate="2019-08-12T23:34:52.460" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20794" PostId="4317" Score="16" Text="@ScottMorrison: I still don't understand why my comment had to be removed, and even less why the moderator who removed it decided that it's appropriate to tell me that if I want to express myself I should do it elsewhere. The next step is to tell me to write my answers on some blog post, and the step after that is simply to suspend me altogether. And I know it sounds exaggerated, because it is, and I don't expect anyone to think this way. But it sort of kinda feels that way." CreationDate="2019-08-12T23:48:43.657" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20798" PostId="4317" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila, sorry, I haven't followed the details of that comment being deleted. I don't think you should be encouraged to post your arguments or criticisms elsewhere, but rather that they should be welcome here (on meta). Obviously there are some strong disagreements occurring in this thread, but this is what meta is for." CreationDate="2019-08-13T03:09:39.590" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="20799" PostId="4317" Score="13" Text="I want to register my dissapointment that the whole question got deleted (instead of the offending answers, which would have been ok by me) and also that @ToddTrimble cast that last deletion vote thereby preventing undelete votes (which I tried to cast)." CreationDate="2019-08-13T03:21:07.947" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="20800" PostId="4317" Score="4" Text="Amusingly, the system allows one to cast a Reopen vote but not an undelete vote.   So the jokes question is now open (and I guess people can vote to close!) while it is still deleted!" CreationDate="2019-08-13T03:57:08.407" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="20801" PostId="4317" Score="2" Text="Noted, Felipe. Since you address me, it seems you want me to respond. How many times do I need to say that I inadvertently overlooked the mechanism? But -- on discussion about this with the other moderators, it was agreed that the question needed to be removed anyway. See one of the earlier comments by Scott Morrison." CreationDate="2019-08-13T04:34:00.330" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="20803" PostId="4317" Score="19" Text="I went through the top 200 highest voted questions on MO (the jokes question would have been one of these).  I think of all of these, the jokes question had the least to do with research math or the practice of math, and I guess was the least suited for MO.  So upon reflection, I think this question was quite an anomaly, and deletion (leaving aside all other issues) was the right call." CreationDate="2019-08-13T05:33:07.167" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="20812" PostId="4317" Score="15" Text="@Lucia: I mostly agree with this; I don't mind the deletion of the jokes thread nearly as much as I'm worried about the precedent it sets (if not in the eyes of the mods, then at least in the eyes of outside critics, who are not likely to grasp the details and will assume they now have a veto on discussion). What I'm trying to do here is set some principles that will ensure that deletions will remain restricted to exceptional cases like this. Unfortunately, at this point I'm not sure whether the moderators are placing the distinction in the same position as me. For illustration, consider ..." CreationDate="2019-08-13T08:44:55.410" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20813" PostId="4317" Score="11" Text="... the following critiques a concern troll could lob at **mathematical** answers: (1) An answer mentioning &quot;MacMahon's Master Theorem&quot; should be revised in terms of the connotations of the word &quot;Master&quot;. (2) The use of &quot;men&quot; and &quot;women&quot; in [matching-theoretical metaphors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall%27s_marriage_theorem#Application_to_marriage) is outdated and exclusionary. (3) The &quot;Carroll determinant formula&quot; should be renamed due to [strong evidence for its author's pedophilia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll#Controversies_and_mysteries). Each of these claims ..." CreationDate="2019-08-13T08:51:01.660" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20814" PostId="4317" Score="7" Text="... I can easily see bolstered with a breathless article in Slate, HuffPost or Breitbart, rallying twitter tough guys to bark Godwins every time someone links to MO. Where do we draw our lines?" CreationDate="2019-08-13T08:53:10.567" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20820" PostId="4317" Score="4" Text="@Scott: Yes, that's what meta is for. Unless of course someone disagrees with you and perceives your words as offensive enough to merit deleting them in a manner that also elicit a rude response from the moderator involved." CreationDate="2019-08-13T13:41:46.567" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20830" PostId="4317" Score="12" Text="@StefanKohl FWIW I left comments suggesting deletion of the whole jokes thread, and I am not a moderator, nor am I USian in background. Once again, I respect the POV that the thread should not have been deleted, I just want to counteract any narrative that the action was _solely_ the work of a clique" CreationDate="2019-08-13T14:51:25.820" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20900" PostId="4317" Score="11" Text="I still haven't understood exactly what the view of the moderators is: is the deletion of that question (A) the autonomous and final decision of the moderators, after sufficient discussion and input from the community, or (B) something that the community should decide on, and may override by voting? I think that this is an important point to clarify here." CreationDate="2019-08-17T10:13:40.917" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="20937" PostId="4317" Score="2" Text="I understand your post as saying that once the censorial wheels are in motion there is no stopping them. I don't think this is a problem of proper guidelines moderators should adhere to. It should be obvious that deletion of a question is a last resort and only applicable in rare cases, where the topic really does not contribute to the mathematics related elation of the readers of MO (i.e. why on earth delete jokes??). Rather it is about caving in to a mob of &quot;children&quot; who are unable to simply not read, watch or listen to things they don't like, but instead have a need to censor it." CreationDate="2019-08-24T11:57:12.593" UserId="2258" />
  <row Id="20939" PostId="4317" Score="3" Text="@santkerheboln I don't think labelling (or guessing) that people who object to the original joke, like Tanner (or Noah, or Scott) are a mob of &quot;children&quot; is either fair or productive. Their argument, which you may or may not agree with, is that certain content was of a kind that is known to be offensive in other contexts and that leaving it on MO implied a social sanctioning of such content. I am happy to believe them if they say that their comments or actions were taken for what they thought was in the best interests of the MO site" CreationDate="2019-08-24T21:25:05.450" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20941" PostId="4317" Score="3" Text="@santkerheboln slightly off-topic, but 'It should be obvious that deletion of a question is a last resort and only applicable in rare case&quot; may reflect the fact that, due to the reputation barrier, you can't see the questions which are deleted, which are mainly bald requests to solve homework, with a few known persistent cranks. In particular, my impression is that most of the questions which are deleted have nothing to do with any perceived controversy or censorship of dissenting opinions" CreationDate="2019-08-24T21:33:10.190" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20943" PostId="4317" Score="7" Text="@YemonChoi: You are arguing that the deletion of the jokes thread is atypical and should be considered as an exception. The three suggestions I made in my OP were meant to enshrine this somewhat, to ensure that the exception doesn't become the rule. The responses from the moderators have done nothing to convince me that this deletion was truly exceptional. If anything, I have gotten convinced that there is a widening rift between moderators and heavy metaers on one side and the rest of the users on the other (my question here was mostly gathering downvotes until it became ..." CreationDate="2019-08-24T21:41:14.813" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20944" PostId="4317" Score="6" Text="... hot enough to be linked on main MO, at which point it started its upwards trend). And while I think santker's &quot;mob of children&quot; is imprecise, I frankly don't see why what we have is any better (a mob of concerned grown-ups acting out substitute parental impulses to protect the innocent, fragile outsiders from the dangers of the seventh answer to an old closed thread). Ultimately, what we get is a leaky library, one I cannot rely on to keep knowledge around. The jokes thread itself was too tangential to be a fully-fledged canary-in-the-mine, but now the responses to my question here ..." CreationDate="2019-08-24T21:46:13.600" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20945" PostId="4317" Score="4" Text="... have so far not produced any statement from the moderators that would place a separating hyperplane with the jokes thread on one side and mathematically relevant content that may trigger someone's offense detector on the other. So I am not buying the exceptionality, not yet at least." CreationDate="2019-08-24T21:50:51.767" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20946" PostId="4317" Score="4" Text="@Yemon Choi: It is also neither fair nor productive to delete a decade old gem, without consideration of the community as a whole, based on the unreflected objection of one person. I also don't buy the &quot;safety&quot; and &quot;welcoming&quot; intention of such measures. Some users, born in countries where speech is routinely censored and where making a &quot;juvenile&quot; joke can land you in prison, are certainly not going to feel more &quot;safe&quot; and &quot;welcome&quot; on MO, when they see this kind of censorship in action. Let me just state that this is highly offensive to many users, myself included." CreationDate="2019-08-25T12:18:53.440" UserId="2258" />
  <row Id="20790" PostId="4318" Score="4" Text="ad 1. But the posts **were** deleted at first! For some reason, the thread still ended up gone too. I really don't see a good reason for that other than perceived embarrassment." CreationDate="2019-08-12T23:29:17.630" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20791" PostId="4318" Score="9" Text="&quot;If three out of a group of four mathematicians agree to make personal jokes about the fourth one, it is not okay.&quot; None of those jokes (talking about the 4-8 answers that were the original bone of contention, not the whole thread that ended up as collateral damage) was personal; the more wide-ranging and diffuse the target of a joke is, the less do standards about its offensiveness need to apply." CreationDate="2019-08-12T23:31:31.490" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20793" PostId="4318" Score="4" Text="@darijgrinberg Fair points. I expanded the answer a little. (a) Embarrassment is actually a sound reason for moderation, as there is value in making the site look attractive for prospective contributors. (b) The example of four mathematicians needed a remark that I had failed to include. The same phenomenon happens with groups of people, e.g. with men making jokes about women. I just tried to give a minimal example." CreationDate="2019-08-12T23:39:10.713" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="20809" PostId="4318" Score="9" Text="I think the question I refer to the most is the urban legends one. And to me that is one of the most appealing aspects of MO. It's a sense of community. I don't see why we need to adhere so strictly to some rule that there cannot be lighthearted fun on the site (outside of comments, anyway)." CreationDate="2019-08-13T07:49:11.613" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20898" PostId="4318" Score="5" Text="*bad content should be removed, not just voted down and commented on* --- Uhm, no, that's the exact opposite of how Stack Exchange is designed. If people don't look at votes and comments and mindlessly accept what they read on the internet, that's their problem." CreationDate="2019-08-17T09:50:48.093" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="20901" PostId="4318" Score="6" Text="Also, &quot;this is wrong so let's delete it&quot; is a very dangerous view, in general. If something is wrong, it's better to challenge it openly and explain why it's wrong rather than censor it out of existence." CreationDate="2019-08-17T10:15:15.920" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="20902" PostId="4318" Score="10" Text="@FedericoPoloni I have enough to deal with in the real world (some of it involving trying to broker truces) without spending time arguing with people on meta.MO about issues that can boild down to personal history, philosophy, ethics, (mis)understanding of the history of intelligentsia and academia on at least two different continents, etc" CreationDate="2019-08-17T14:49:40.993" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20903" PostId="4318" Score="14" Text="@FedericoPoloni There are sayings to the effect that BS (or even just muddled stuff) can take an order of magnitude more effort to refute/debate than to start. I am not in favour of people lobbing rhetorical hand-grenades into the (meta) MO arena just so can they indulge personal differences which have nothing to do with mathematics and the research activities/interests of mathematicians" CreationDate="2019-08-17T14:51:00.740" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20795" PostId="4319" Score="4" Text="I would be happier if this were phrased as an answer rather than as an invitation to a continued exchange (just by removing the first paragraph and some of the closing sentences). I don't think the SE format works well for discussions, which is one reason why I rather miss what-at-one-stage-became-tea-dot-mathoverflow-dot-net." CreationDate="2019-08-13T02:15:59.503" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20796" PostId="4319" Score="4" Text="Also ... I am uncomfortable with trying to figure out weighty questions such as personal ethics and political-philosophy-in-the-broader-sense on meta.mathoverflow.net. I would rather we focus on how we behave rather than what we believe. Of course Darij may actually disagree with the POV expressed in the previous sentence! so I am only speaking personally" CreationDate="2019-08-13T02:21:52.937" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20797" PostId="4319" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi Well, my purpose in posting this *was* to ask the question. If there's a better place to ask the question, or if it would be better to just not ask it at all, I'm totally fine with deleting this answer." CreationDate="2019-08-13T02:41:21.847" UserId="5736" />
  <row Id="20804" PostId="4319" Score="15" Text="One can agree, Tanner, that some of the posts in that thread were harmful, and were better deleted, while still maintaining that the thread as a whole was not harmful, and did not merit deletion. I think you may be missing that distinction." CreationDate="2019-08-13T05:58:42.823" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20810" PostId="4319" Score="17" Text="Articles and blog posts are not evidence unless they provide any; by the same reasoning, DnD would have been a major source of societal decline in the 1980s and video games in the 1990s. The press is subject to hype cycles and operates with vague terms that it re-interprets at will in strategic ways; this isn't exactly new. Even assuming that the mere presence of risqué jokes in personal communication is harmful to women or other minorities concerned, the situation at hand (where the jokes are thousands of miles removed from their readers and not targeted at anyone in particular) is hardly ..." CreationDate="2019-08-13T08:36:43.507" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20811" PostId="4319" Score="11" Text="... comparable. When I hear an actual criticism of the jokes thread coming from a woman who actually participates in MO rather than merely sniping from the side, I'll reconsider, but for now the situation appears rather disconnected from actual issues and opinions are falling more in line with how willing people are to believe in currently fashionable paradigms." CreationDate="2019-08-13T08:40:19.077" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20828" PostId="4319" Score="13" Text="@darijgrinberg what about selection bias? Quite possibly there have been female mathematicians who might have participated, or participated more, were it not for certain things they found off-putting; didn't Elizabeth Henning leave a comment to similar effect? And I think it is somewhat closed-minded to dismiss people's concerns as &quot;currently fashionable paradigms&quot;: you have _no idea_ of how my own views might have been shaped by things I observed and was angered by in 1996, 2000, 2010-12, ..." CreationDate="2019-08-13T14:40:26.897" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20829" PostId="4319" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson TBF I think Tanner was espousing exactly what you describe. It's people like me (well, about 7 or 8 other people like me) who thought that the thread as a whole should be deleted, in light of the arguments that have started" CreationDate="2019-08-13T14:48:43.757" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20837" PostId="4319" Score="9" Text="@YemonChoi: The numbers suggest specific data; maybe that would make a nice blog post. (I do suspect the things that have angered you in 1996 and 2000, at least, were more serious than innuendo in untargeted jokes... these were times when there were real fish to wry.) But the speculation that all women were hurt so much by the 4 joke answers that they didn't even feel welcome to comment on it appears to be essentially devoid of evidence (exactly one woman commented on exactly one of the answers, which is in my eyes the one truly problematic joke)." CreationDate="2019-08-13T17:13:13.700" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20838" PostId="4319" Score="21" Text="Please note that, pardon the repetition, we are still beating around the bush as to the question why the whole thread &quot;had to&quot; be deleted." CreationDate="2019-08-13T17:14:13.400" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20861" PostId="4321" Score="2" Text="I suggest asking permission of Terry Tao (and coauthors as needed) to post links to his recent ArXiv submissions on this forum.  You can sell it to him as: (a) he needs only to give assent; you will do all the rest of the work of submission (b) he will get a  collection of open reviews which he can choose to incorporate to his blog (or not) (c) if successful, he will get credit for supporting a new and improved process of scientific review.  You should come up with a few other selling points.  If he responds, consider his feedback.  Gerhard &quot;If This Is Worth It...&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.14." CreationDate="2019-08-14T15:26:16.737" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20862" PostId="4321" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman I would definitely directly ask a number of colleagues for that. The main problem to overcome now is to get 5 supporters(=users that do nothing apart from subscribing to the site) in the next 4 days to keep the proposal alive." CreationDate="2019-08-14T15:37:33.410" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20863" PostId="4321" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman Right now one can only post sample question titles (no links etc) and only 5 of them." CreationDate="2019-08-14T15:42:36.667" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20864" PostId="4322" Score="3" Text="Let's see if I can reframe this: community review of science preprints may be a good idea, but is outside the Q&amp;A model and we can't make it fit here on StackOverflow. Is the reason for the nonfit that discussions (no matter how scholarly and well-intentioned) are harder to manage and moderate for acceptable community behaviour? Or is there a better reason for the nonfit?  Gerhard &quot;Been NonFitting Since Early 2010&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.14." CreationDate="2019-08-14T18:17:29.603" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20865" PostId="4322" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman Discussion: not only harder to manage, but explicitly discouraged by the design -- i.e. a system of non-threaded responses which shuffle around based on the user vote, and a comment structure where followup is hidden or disappear in a way not particularly well suited to contribute directly to the main canon." CreationDate="2019-08-14T18:25:11.223" UserId="35559" />
  <row Id="20866" PostId="4322" Score="2" Text="Indeed. If Thanasis were able to suggest an alternative that would fit in with the Q&amp;A format, would you (StackExchange) consider it? For example, a question would be a link to a preprint, and a set of answers would be links to reviews possibly on other websites, with discussion, rebuttals, critiques of reviews kept off of the forum and outside the StackExchange Network? Gerhard &quot;Is Looking For A Win-Win&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.14." CreationDate="2019-08-14T18:33:27.120" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20867" PostId="4322" Score="2" Text="@RobertCartaino I see the point. But I would like to mention again that this system works very well over at PO. And to quote Dilaton &quot;..MO would be just fine keeping the normal voting system for the review questions&quot;." CreationDate="2019-08-14T18:43:55.487" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20868" PostId="4322" Score="1" Text="For people who did not follow the previous discussions, I'll add that PO in the previous comment stands for [PhysicsOverflow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhysicsOverflow). https://physicsoverflow.org/faq#a4807 https://physicsoverflow.org/answers/refereeing" CreationDate="2019-08-14T18:56:38.603" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20869" PostId="4322" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman It sounds like a worthwhile project. I would actually *like* to see more support for this on Stack Exchange. But in our current UI, once you start having to chase folks around constantly re-explaining what you *really* mean by a &quot;question&quot; and what should be posted as answers and how comments and voting should work, etc, it becomes a poor end-user experience to just about everyone  not privy to the extensive support discussions explaining why the UI doesn't fit the content. We've been down this road many times. I hope we can support this someday, but not at this time." CreationDate="2019-08-14T19:02:21.973" UserId="35559" />
  <row Id="20870" PostId="4322" Score="0" Text="@Robert, I appreciate your response. My takeaway is that your answer is &quot;Yes, we will consider another take, but not to the extent of chasing down users to reexplain what is going on and how to behave.&quot; Also &quot;We suspect using the PhysicsOverflow template here will lead to too much chasing, reexplaining, and poor UI and poor UX.&quot; Feel free to correct my takeaway.  Gerhard &quot;Has Seen Poor UX Here&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.14." CreationDate="2019-08-14T19:10:09.853" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20871" PostId="4322" Score="1" Text="@RobertCartaino I think I am missing the point now. Having a pure scientific peer review site means that the questions are well defined (&quot;please review this&quot;), and answers are standard peer reviews. There must be a group of users acting as editors that moderate the process. No discussion on the article is supposed to follow. Any comments on reviews must only stick to technical details and point out errors that the reviewer has possibly made. Straying away from good practice means that the editor (or the community itself) reacts in a drastic way. The community actually knows how this works." CreationDate="2019-08-14T19:11:53.203" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20872" PostId="4322" Score="1" Text="@Thanasis Have a look around the site tour. Look at the interface for asking a question. The buttons say, &quot;ask a question/add another answer&quot;. There's nothing about posting reviews anywhere. The instructions say &quot;We prefer questions that can be answered, not just discussed.&quot; Voting would have to be redefined. The help center is entirely wrong, and every close reason from *too broad* to *primarily opinion-based* would apply. Yes, we can explain away all the UI inconsistencies to force-fit the tool to fit the content, but without further dev support, that rabbit hole runs very deep" CreationDate="2019-08-14T19:38:10.917" UserId="35559" />
  <row Id="20873" PostId="4322" Score="2" Text="@RobertCartaino Is there any way to achieve this support within the SE community? The reason is that I do not think that the project stands any chance unless it is backed up by an already well-organized and active community like MO. Starting from scratch would need an immense recruiting effort that no community members would be able to cope with..." CreationDate="2019-08-14T19:50:32.210" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20875" PostId="4322" Score="7" Text="I just want to say that I don't think this is a very good idea.  Dilaton is not a spokesperson for MO; neither am I of course.  But the question has been raised a couple of times, and people have downvoted it." CreationDate="2019-08-14T20:58:29.120" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="20876" PostId="4322" Score="1" Text="@ThanasisStylianou Submitting a proposal is already predicated on having a community (on SO/SE or elsewhere) organized and ready to support the idea, so that's already policy explicitly required by our process. The Community Team has wrangled with hundreds of these ideas over many many years, but we ultimately resolved to stop pursuing these out-of-band SE sites until we have the backing from Engineering to support alternate content types." CreationDate="2019-08-14T21:30:06.253" UserId="35559" />
  <row Id="20877" PostId="4322" Score="1" Text="@Lucia This is true. But all discussions about community peer reviews have only been upvoted and I haven't read about an argument against it. So I suppose that although people support this idea, they do not want to have it realized here. By the way, could you please elaborate on why you think that this is not a good idea?" CreationDate="2019-08-15T03:37:03.363" UserId="40644" />
  <row Id="20878" PostId="4323" Score="8" Text="`129.81.*.*` is Tulane University. `130.44.*.*` is AMS. `130.220.*.*` is University of South Australia. `131.220.*.*` is Uni-Bonn. `129.69.*.*` is Uni-Stuttgart. `129.187.*.*` is Leibniz-Rechenzentrum (Dagstuhl?), `146.163.*.*` is Southern Illinois University Edwardsville." CreationDate="2019-08-15T07:47:21.250" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="20879" PostId="4323" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais That seems likely, considering that the link http://dauns.math.tulane.edu/~vhm/papers_html/final-bell.pdf does work. Still, the urls starting 129.81.170.14 do not work (at least for me). BTW it's good to see you back." CreationDate="2019-08-15T07:49:47.690" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20880" PostId="4323" Score="1" Text="I edited one of the Tulane ones, where a commenter pointed out the arXiv reference of the paper, and the author of the answer (and the paper) agreed that that would be a better link, but didn't edit." CreationDate="2019-08-15T07:50:49.387" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20887" PostId="4323" Score="0" Text="Moderators have the advantage that they can edit the comments even after the grace period. Quite sneaky. :-)" CreationDate="2019-08-15T12:21:15.900" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20888" PostId="4323" Score="6" Text="As one of those who unwittingly posted a PDF link beginning with an IP address, I would like to know &quot;Is there some plausible explanation why somebody might have posted such links by mistake?&quot; In my case, I was just copying the URL in my browser that brought me the PDF." CreationDate="2019-08-15T12:54:22.867" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="20891" PostId="4323" Score="1" Text="I took the liberty of fixed a few more, and noting which ones in the OP." CreationDate="2019-08-16T00:46:16.723" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20895" PostId="4323" Score="0" Text="Now only ten starting with `129.81.170.14` and two with `131.220.77.52`. I can slowly edit these over the next week." CreationDate="2019-08-16T07:59:32.947" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20912" PostId="4323" Score="0" Text="Six left URLs left starting with `129.81.170.14`. I'm taking the liberty of improving the references where possible, since opaque see [this link](https://example.com) references force users to click through merely to see if they already know what is being linked to." CreationDate="2019-08-19T00:38:31.217" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20929" PostId="4323" Score="2" Text="OK, all the problematic ones are now fixed. I'm not going to go through the ones that currently work, but it might be an idea to slowly convert these to non-IP address links." CreationDate="2019-08-21T00:04:55.913" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="20930" PostId="4324" Score="0" Text="This is only tangential, but looking at [this post](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/55181/positivity-of-a-rational-function) ([current revision](https://mathoverflow.net/revisions/55181/5)), it seems that also &quot;IP-based&quot; url can be added into Wayback Machine. Here is [the direct link](http://web.archive.org/web/20170922235432/http://129.81.170.14/~tamdeberhan/positivity.pdf)." CreationDate="2019-08-21T03:41:02.360" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20931" PostId="4324" Score="0" Text="I have just tested this with [the link to dieter.pdf](http://web.archive.org/web/20190821033951/http://129.187.111.185/~dieter/football.pdf) and it was possible to add it. (One of the working links in the question.) I have added it using `http://web.archive.org/save/[url]`.)" CreationDate="2019-08-21T03:41:59.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20932" PostId="4324" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Oh, then I must have hit some other problem.  Thanks for doing this!" CreationDate="2019-08-21T05:31:07.660" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20904" PostId="4325" Score="1" Text="Even though the post type is &quot;answer&quot; , I and many others have used that type to post information about the/an answer, and sometimes this is labelled as a &quot;non-answer&quot; or partial answer.  If the intent is to make progress toward an answer or inform others that the problem is hard, it is good to share information to that effect. Is there another issue with your example that concerns you?  Gerhard &quot;Wonders Where The Difficulty Is&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.17." CreationDate="2019-08-17T17:23:31.553" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20905" PostId="4325" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman Suppose there is an answer for $Q$ and another answer for $R$. Which answer should be accepted? Or maybe they should be written in a single answer?" CreationDate="2019-08-17T17:25:49.867" UserId="125498" />
  <row Id="20906" PostId="4325" Score="1" Text="I have written summaries and accepted them for questions, including my first question (31337). If you are concerned about reputation, consider awarding two or more bounties. In any case, you can edit the question to offer acknowledgements and thanks apart from the voting/accepting system.  Gerhard &quot;Right Words Can Heal Much&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.17." CreationDate="2019-08-17T17:32:49.777" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20917" PostId="4328" Score="10" Text="I “understand” the deletion because who wants to moderate *debates about jokes*. Unfortunately, it risks coming across as: “If we can’t have misogynist ones, then we won’t have any.”" CreationDate="2019-08-19T03:04:02.667" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="20920" PostId="4328" Score="5" Text="FYI, the [answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/76584/what-happened-to-whats-your-best-programming-joke/310732#310732) to why a similar question on Stack Overflow (&quot;what's your favorite programming joke&quot;) was deleted just last year may be relevant here." CreationDate="2019-08-19T19:00:28.383" UserId="120224" />
  <row Id="20921" PostId="4328" Score="4" Text="It's  worth mentioning that, as pointed out in the other thread, there were already nine votes to delete by ordinary users when a moderator added their own. That the decision by the moderator had unforeseen consequences (one cannot vote to reopen anymore) is unfortunate, but let's not think that this was a tyrannical decision by the moderators: it was, by and large, community driven." CreationDate="2019-08-20T12:04:33.440" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="20924" PostId="4328" Score="16" Text="@DenisNardin: Yes and no.  I certainly agree, I’m sure the mod was acting in good faith and with good intentions.  However, since undelete votes can’t be cast before deletion happens (if I understand right), the mod should have been well aware that the 9 close votes showed one side of the debate, and that they were shutting down the other side from being able to vote to undelete.  Meanwhile, the voting on all three meta threads suggests that deleting the question is opposed by a large majority of the community.  I’m not suggesting it was tyrannical; I am suggesting it was a misjudgement," CreationDate="2019-08-20T14:31:15.073" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="20925" PostId="4328" Score="5" Text="so I’m hoping that either they’ll explain the action and persuade us it was a good decision, or else that if the community still seems to oppose the deletion, that they’ll reconsider the action and undelete the question." CreationDate="2019-08-20T14:33:42.787" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="20927" PostId="4328" Score="4" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine Well, they'll probably explain that themselves, but what I gathered from the previous thread they just wanted to vote as a user and they did not realized this prevented people from voting to reopen. That said, to give my opinion on the actual issue, I wouldn't have voted to close the question, but now that 10 people have, I don't see a great loss in closing that question (I was always quite disappointed by how not funny those jokes were. Humor is subjective and all that) and I wouldn't vote to reopen." CreationDate="2019-08-20T17:59:43.520" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="20942" PostId="4328" Score="2" Text="BTW, Peter, if you think the thread should be undeleted, I think you need to read the comments and look at the vote counts on Darij's meta.MO post. Personally I would like an MO where people could just park the fact that they have massively different ethical and ontological assessments of the world, rather than one where we all discover (shock horror, who could have guessed) that mathematicians are opinionated and don't agree with each other" CreationDate="2019-08-24T21:36:37.547" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20948" PostId="4328" Score="1" Text="@Yemon: I disagree with your opinion about mathematicians being opinionated and disagreeable. I find this statement to be entirely unethical, and in direct contradiction of my ontological assessment of the world!" CreationDate="2019-08-25T20:13:12.277" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20949" PostId="4328" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila C.f. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4#t=1m10s :D" CreationDate="2019-08-25T21:47:21.080" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20952" PostId="4328" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: Well, I mean, what have the Romans ever done for us??? ROMANES EUNT DOMUS!!!" CreationDate="2019-08-25T23:23:56.470" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20910" PostId="4329" Score="3" Text="I think there was less agreement about the deletion of the jokes that you refer to, and that had those jokes been singled out, we would now just be facing posts arguing against &quot;caving to outside pressure&quot; and arguing there's a slippery slope" CreationDate="2019-08-19T00:35:48.873" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20911" PostId="4329" Score="9" Text="Moreover, I have not seen enough on the original meta question to form an impression of what &quot;the MO community&quot; wants, **in either direction**. There are an awful lot of frequent contributors to the main site who, understandably, did not feel like sticking their necks out by commenting" CreationDate="2019-08-19T00:37:26.367" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20913" PostId="4329" Score="8" Text="&quot;like the departmental lounge, where you talk maths but also relax a bit&quot; - I also miss those old days, but they are gone for good given the sheer number and variety of users these days. &quot;Relaxing a bit&quot; also presumes one is relaxing with like-minded company, or company one knows well enough that all parties will cut each other some slack. There's a reason I behave differently in the pub than I do on MathOverflow or indeed in comments I leave elsewhere online" CreationDate="2019-08-19T00:39:56.927" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20914" PostId="4329" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi: “I think there was less agreement about the deletion of the jokes that you refer to” — I didn’t mean to suggest at all that there was agreement about the deletion of them; there was plenty of disagreement about whether they should be deleted, and as you say, one of the main arguments against deletion was “slippery slope”.  But for all the disagreement, the voting and the comments showed far more support for both “delete the sexist jokes” and “don’t delete anything” than for “delete everything”; and it was a pretty high-participation thread, so if meta threads can ever [cont’d]" CreationDate="2019-08-19T01:07:26.583" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="20915" PostId="4329" Score="4" Text="…tell us *anything* about community opinions, then I think this one showed us that fairly clearly.  And while I don’t like the slippery-slope argument “the SJW’s are making us delete sexist jokes now, will they make us delete all jokes next?”, I don’t think it’s very effectively addressed by jumping straight to deleting all the jokes immediately. // Re “missing the old days”: I agree things have to change to some extent; but this felt to me like a more drastic change than the situation demanded.  But who knows, that’s of course very much a judgement call." CreationDate="2019-08-19T01:17:53.487" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="20953" PostId="4329" Score="4" Text="@YemonChoi One can hardly expect _every_ regular user (or even a _significant fraction_ of regular users) to comment on any particular meta thread -- if only because the comments would become way, way too long! That's why there's a voting system. And I think the voting shows decisively that far more people supported selectively deleting the most offensive jokes (cf. Noah Snyder's [highly-upvoted answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4311/2362)) than deleting the whole question (cf. Noah Snyder's [highly-downvoted answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4310/2362))." CreationDate="2019-08-26T02:51:28.180" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="20954" PostId="4329" Score="6" Text="@YemonChoi Moreover, I think the idea that MO today is significantly demographically different from five years ago is highly questionable. If I recall from the last time statistics were posted, usage of the site has on the whole been flat for many years now, or even been on a steady but slight decline. Moreover, I disagree with the premise that if a wide variety of mathematicians use the site, then we cannot agree on social norms for behavior as in a departmental lounge at tea and must resort to more formal norms like in a talk." CreationDate="2019-08-26T02:55:35.127" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="20991" PostId="4329" Score="6" Text="I don't have an opinion on deletion of the thread, but I admit I am still occasionally laughing at the joke about what you get when you cross a chicken with an elephant.  The only problem is I can't share it with anyone I know now that I am retired and do not hang out with mathematicians.  If you don't know the answer then I think perhaps the thread deletion has indeed harmed you." CreationDate="2019-09-01T23:09:40.837" UserId="9449" />
  <row Id="20922" PostId="4331" Score="1" Text="Right now it looks too brief/too broad to be a good question. Also, what have you tried in answering it? What could the MathOverflow community do that a Web search could not? Are you looking for search terms? Gerhard &quot;Reference Requests Are Often Specific&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.20." CreationDate="2019-08-20T14:03:01.587" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20923" PostId="4331" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman: I believe that the MathOverflow community might either be able to suggest how to target my search better or have one or more members who are up to date in the areas of dynamical systems and/or arithmetic dynamics and can point me in the direction of significant applications. I have found a chapter &quot;Number Theory and Dynamical Systems&quot; in *The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Number Theory*, but it dates back to 1991/1992." CreationDate="2019-08-20T14:18:58.537" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="20926" PostId="4331" Score="4" Text="I see my question has garnered a downvote. How should I interpret that? For instance, does it mean that my proposed question in its current form is regarded as inappropriate? I would prefer constructive critcism to help me improve my question, or failing that, clear advice that it is not a good question for MO and should be asked either elsewhere (MathematicsStackExchange?) or not at all." CreationDate="2019-08-20T16:30:35.937" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="20928" PostId="4331" Score="13" Text="Some users downvote meta questions as a way of answering &quot;no&quot;. Personally I don't like that habit (and I think it's one of the little things that leads newcomers to find MO hostile). In my opinion, you should be upvoted for taking the care to ask on meta first, *including* by users who think your question on dynamical systems would be unsuitable for MO.  If they think that, they can write it as a comment/answer." CreationDate="2019-08-20T18:27:47.487" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="20933" PostId="4331" Score="3" Text="I trust @GerhardPaseman's judgement as a more experienced member of the community, but it sure seems to me like we've had plenty of successful questions of this sort.  Nothing will stop people from downvoting a question if they don't like it or find it inappropriate, but, in general, I think that worrying about your question enough to seek guidance here on whether it's suitable and how to make it so is a good sign that you've thought about and have some feeling for community standards.  My worth-probably-less-than-two-cents is that you should go for it." CreationDate="2019-08-21T16:42:23.550" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="20934" PostId="4331" Score="2" Text="The change improves it and makes it more specific. If you did a citation search on the Lagarias article and came up empty, then mention that.  There are other edits, but I will let others suggest them. Give this a couple more days on meta before posting.  Gerhard &quot;Time Heals All Reference Requests&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.21." CreationDate="2019-08-21T17:32:49.773" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20935" PostId="4331" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman: Thank you for the feedback and advice. Indeed, my citation search does turn up relatively little, although I could have missed something. I am happy to wait a few more days before posting my question and would gladly receive further suggestions for edits." CreationDate="2019-08-22T09:16:42.847" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="20938" PostId="4331" Score="1" Text="I hope I have captured the intent of your question. I think the rephrasing above makes things more definite and more clear. I use [] for additional instructions. Gerhard &quot;Thanks For Checking With Meta&quot; Paseman, 2019.08.24." CreationDate="2019-08-24T17:40:14.463" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="20955" PostId="4331" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman: Thanks for the suggested rephrasing! Much appreciated." CreationDate="2019-08-26T05:47:19.547" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="20940" PostId="4332" Score="4" Text="FWIW, even though I did vote to delete the whole thread (mainly because I mistakenly thought this might put an end to matters) I would be happy with the final moderator vote being reversed, if possible, if the votes of myself, Strickland, Rickard et al could also still stand" CreationDate="2019-08-24T21:30:06.007" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="20947" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: For what it's worth, there's no limitations on how long before you can re-vote to delete an undeleted post. I'm not suggesting we undelete to have it &quot;deleted properly this time&quot;. Just as an FYI." CreationDate="2019-08-25T19:46:55.170" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="20951" PostId="4332" Score="9" Text="With the caveat that I don't fully understand the mechanics of &quot;uncasting the final moderator vote,&quot; I will say that I like fedja's suggestion of undeleting the thread and then letting the community decide whether to delete the thread. Like some others, I'm slightly concerned about &quot;ideologically-motivated deletions&quot; (for lack of a better term), but I'm more concerned that the community can't undelete the thread now, simply because Todd Trimble did something that even he now acknowledges was a mistake. If that acknowledged mistake can be undone then I'm in favor of doing so." CreationDate="2019-08-25T23:00:36.533" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="21048" PostId="4332" Score="2" Text="On the technical issue of &quot;reversing delete votes&quot;: the only way of undoing the moderator delete-vote would be to undelete the post, leaving it with *no* pending delete votes remaining. *However*, the users who previously voted to delete would then be able to so vote again: unlike close votes, delete votes can be cast on the same question by the same user multiple times in between undeletions. (cc @YemonChoi et al)" CreationDate="2019-09-13T16:05:51.117" UserId="61630" />
  <row Id="20956" PostId="4333" Score="0" Text="My two cents: at the very least a tag `metric-theory-of-tensor-products` seems superfluous. Questions regarding e.g. tensor products of Banach spaces can easily be found by combining the tags `banach-spaces` and `tensor-products`." CreationDate="2019-08-28T20:41:04.460" UserId="120251" />
  <row Id="20957" PostId="4333" Score="1" Text="Are there existing questions where the tag would apply? (Tags can't be created for their own sake, they need to be applied to a question.)" CreationDate="2019-08-28T21:12:14.953" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="20958" PostId="4333" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais by my count, at least somewhere between 30 and 50 existing questions would fall under this tag." CreationDate="2019-08-28T21:20:34.353" UserId="120251" />
  <row Id="20959" PostId="4333" Score="3" Text="Allright, help people out and create a list of questions that would benefit from this tag! For additional traction, you could also propose a tag info blurb." CreationDate="2019-08-28T21:53:51.690" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="20964" PostId="4333" Score="3" Text="Done! I think my proposed tag info should be checked by an expert. For instance, I don't know too much about the (Haagerup) approximation property for locally compact groups, but I get the feeling that it is related to other approximation properties in functional analysis (maybe via the group algebra?), and therefore should be included in this tag (which is what I've done now). But I'm not sure if that makes sense." CreationDate="2019-08-29T20:44:33.683" UserId="120251" />
  <row Id="20965" PostId="4333" Score="4" Text="This is wonderful! I think this is now a model tag request. (Which we needed.) I am not at all an expert in this area but I hope experts will chime in sooner than later." CreationDate="2019-08-29T21:06:31.073" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="20983" PostId="4333" Score="1" Text="I read [on Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approximation_property) that the term *approximation property* is also [used in ring theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approximation_property_(ring_theory)). Should it be explicitly mentioned in tag-info (perhaps tag-wiki if not tag-excerpt) that this is not meant for ring theory? Would it perhaps be better to choose the tagname which would distinguish this from algebra, for example, (approximation-property-analysis)?" CreationDate="2019-09-01T04:56:15.990" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21002" PostId="4333" Score="2" Text="I confirm that the various approximation properties for locally compact groups (mainly the AP of Haagerup and Kraus and weak amenability, but also the Haagerup property) fit perfectly well in the description of the tag. The reason for their introduction by Haagerup and coauthors is that for discrete groups, they characterize corresponding approximations properties (à la Grothendieck) of the operators algebras of the group." CreationDate="2019-09-03T09:35:47.497" UserId="10265" />
  <row Id="21018" PostId="4333" Score="2" Text="I think that all this is excellent, but unfortunately this tag will attract a large number of off-tag questions (typing &quot;approximation&quot; will propose this tag, and whatever good the tag info is, many users, especially new ones, do not read it or ignore it)." CreationDate="2019-09-06T16:06:19.917" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21028" PostId="4333" Score="0" Text="@YCor That is somewhat similar situation to the (divisors) tag, in this case, there is a [suggestion to change the name of the tag](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/194/help-improve-tagging/3596#3596). Do you have some name that would fit 35 characters and be distinctive enough to prevent the incorrect usage? The name (approximation-theory-analysis) suggested in a previous comment could probably still be misused. And alternative would be (approximation-property-funct-an) - or something similar within the character limit - however I don't really like such shortening." CreationDate="2019-09-07T20:06:14.323" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21038" PostId="4333" Score="1" Text="That's a fair point, but bear in mind that typing &quot;approximation&quot; first shows [tag:approximation-theory], [tag:diophantine-approximation], and [tag:approximation-algorithms]. Wouldn't they go with approximation theory instead?" CreationDate="2019-09-08T18:23:21.050" UserId="120251" />
  <row Id="21039" PostId="4333" Score="2" Text="Otherwise, perhaps `operator-approximation-property`?" CreationDate="2019-09-08T18:24:55.457" UserId="120251" />
  <row Id="21042" PostId="4333" Score="1" Text="It has come to my attention that one particular version of the approximation property is called &quot;operator approximation property&quot; (OAP). (This is not the classical approximation property.) So I guess the suggestion from the preceding comment might falsely suggest that the tag focuses exclusively on this OAP, as opposed to any kind of AP. Therefore I change my previous suggestion to `operator-approximation-properties`." CreationDate="2019-09-10T16:18:53.057" UserId="120251" />
  <row Id="21043" PostId="4333" Score="2" Text="(By the way, I'm still in favour of calling it simply `approximation-property`. I don't think it'll be so bad. But then, what do I know?)" CreationDate="2019-09-10T16:28:44.287" UserId="120251" />
  <row Id="21044" PostId="4333" Score="1" Text="@J.vanDobbendeBruyn I will just point out that mods can rename a tag - so it's possible to rename it later if the tag becomes problematic. (Technically, it is merging into another tag rather than renaming. But the end result is a tag containing the same question with a new name. See also:[How to rename a tag?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/87437#197731) and [Can you change the name of a tag?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/25699#25701))" CreationDate="2019-09-11T04:56:46.270" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20971" PostId="4335" Score="4" Text="One of the votes to delete the &quot;image&quot; question came from ... darij grinberg." CreationDate="2019-08-31T07:18:47.617" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20972" PostId="4335" Score="3" Text="@GerryMyerson: ... because the deletion of some of the most upvoted responses left behind a fake discussion with near-0 interesting (not just mathematical) content. Unlike the jokes thread, the content of the responses to the image thread was mostly hosted outside of MathOverflow, so little of value was lost. To me, the Skrik answer, with its upvotes, was the most valuable message of the thread; it showed a facet of mathematics that isn't already exposed to death in popsci books and press releases." CreationDate="2019-08-31T10:00:48.623" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20973" PostId="4335" Score="2" Text="As for your proposal: I'm not opposed to drawing a clear line between mathematical and non-mathematical content and judging them on different rules. But (1) I'd then like a confirmation that mathematical content will **not** be removed on vague fears of impoliteness, embarrassment and disfavored political opinions (see the three hypothetical examples in my comments to the original question). (2) &quot;Research-level&quot; can be interpreted far too restrictively; many good questions could be posed as grad or even undergrad homework, with the appropriate hints (behold two of my most ..." CreationDate="2019-08-31T10:05:20.937" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20974" PostId="4335" Score="1" Text="... popular answers: [a commutative algebra 101 proof](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/76772/is-the-sum-of-two-prime-ideals-in-different-polynomial-rings-kx-i-and-ky-i/76775#76775) and [a representation theory 101 proof](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/14514/how-big-can-the-irreps-of-a-finite-group-be-over-an-arbitrary-field/14516#14516)). While moving such questions to m.se sounds like a good idea, it is less likely to work than it sounds (first, m.se loves to delete questions for lack of context, which MO questions usually indeed lack; second, migration likely changes the URL, ..." CreationDate="2019-08-31T10:08:05.370" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20975" PostId="4335" Score="1" Text="... but MO questions have often been cited in the mathematical literature by their URL). (3) There are several meta-mathematical questions on MO that have the potential to rustle some jimmies, yet convey genuine information and insight ([example](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/338607/)). I would really not want them to fall afoul of narrowly defined polciies." CreationDate="2019-08-31T10:12:52.163" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20977" PostId="4335" Score="0" Text="@darij, I only see two responses (to the &quot;image&quot; question) that were deleted before the whole question was deleted, and I don't know which is &quot;the Skrik answer&quot; – no one with that username posted an answer." CreationDate="2019-08-31T12:34:11.967" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20978" PostId="4335" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scream): &quot;The Scream is the popular name given to a composition created by Norwegian Expressionist artist Edvard Munch in 1893. The original German title given by Munch to his work was Der Schrei der Natur (The Scream of Nature), and the Norwegian title is Skrik (Shriek).&quot; So a reasonable guess is that darij grinberg meant this image. (I think I remember it in that thread - 10k+ users are in a better position to check whether this was indeed the case." CreationDate="2019-08-31T14:14:32.607" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="20979" PostId="4335" Score="5" Text="As an outside observer of the whole discussion, I'd just like to say that I really appreciate having a reaction from a moderator now. For a while, it almost seemed (to me) as if the mods had gone into hiding and were waiting the whole thing out after rather convincing concerns about the deletion had been raised." CreationDate="2019-08-31T16:36:57.237" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="20980" PostId="4335" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson iirc the Skrik answer (Skrik is the [name of the picture](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scream)) was hard-deleted before MO became part of SE, so there might be no trace of it here, but I remember it. I think the post was saying &quot;Most of the time this sums it up rather well&quot;." CreationDate="2019-08-31T20:30:44.933" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="20981" PostId="4335" Score="0" Text="@darij OK, so that was https://mathoverflow.net/questions/2437/is-there-an-image-for-you-that-epitomizes-mathematics/4020#4020 posted by user Autumn Kent, deleted by Todd Trimble who left the comment, &quot;This answer is temporarily deleted because of some trouble in the review queue.&quot; I guess the trouble in the review queue never got resolved. The deletion took place 30 April 2016. I think MO was part of SE by then." CreationDate="2019-08-31T22:43:47.717" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="20982" PostId="4335" Score="4" Text="@darijgrinberg As I said in the post, mathematical content will not be removed.  However, if someone places content that violates the code of conduct in the middle of a mathematical response, any user with edit privileges should be welcome to make a change that doesn't detract from the mathematics.  I believe your points (2) and (3) are concerned with &quot;borderline&quot; cases, and as I said earlier, these may require discussion." CreationDate="2019-08-31T23:36:09.170" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="20988" PostId="4336" Score="1" Text="It's too hard to find a clear question in the post. The paragraphs seem to be a quote, a comment on previous versions, &quot;P should be well-defined&quot;, &quot;...would obviously be too much&quot;, then something of unclear relevance...so by the time I hit &quot;to recap&quot; I give up." CreationDate="2019-09-01T15:58:59.250" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="20989" PostId="4336" Score="1" Text="Maybe try: &quot;What mathematical properties are shared by most PDEs which are of interest in applications?&quot;" CreationDate="2019-09-01T16:13:35.587" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="20995" PostId="4336" Score="1" Text="I'm a bit confused by the negative votes on this question. Are they meant to be proxies for saying &quot;no, the original question would not be appropriate&quot; (in which case, more feedback would be appreciated), or was asking about this bad in itself for some reason?" CreationDate="2019-09-02T14:15:36.830" UserId="4336" />
  <row Id="20996" PostId="4336" Score="0" Text="@MattF. Thanks for confirming my suspicion that presentation is still a problem. I've spent quite a while on rewording already and could really use some help, but appreciate that it's my responsibility." CreationDate="2019-09-02T14:20:02.823" UserId="4336" />
  <row Id="20997" PostId="4336" Score="2" Text="I expect the downvotes are either “I don’t want that question on this site” or “I don’t want questions about an MSE post on MathOverflow Meta”" CreationDate="2019-09-02T20:45:23.677" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="21003" PostId="4339" Score="16" Text="The links are actually useful from time to time, for example when they discuss planned changes to the software. It’s not always the Unicorn Zoo nonsense." CreationDate="2019-09-03T11:55:23.393" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21004" PostId="4339" Score="2" Text="Unless I messed up something when creating the SEDE query, here is the list of questions on [meta.se] which had the (featured) tag at some point: https://data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/revision/1066745/1318346/questions-which-had-the-given-tag-including-the-editor-who-added-it?tagname=featured There are also other entries which appear in the CB, such as  blog entries. See also: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-bulletin/info and [What criteria are used to select the links that appear in the community bulletin sidebar block?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/130621)." CreationDate="2019-09-03T14:49:35.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21005" PostId="4339" Score="0" Text="Here is a bit simpler query (the difference is that it shows the user who posted the question rather than the user who added the featured tag): https://data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/revision/1099692/1357576/posts-which-had-the-given-tag-in-the-past" CreationDate="2019-09-03T15:14:15.147" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21008" PostId="4340" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, I'm not able to see this myself when I visit your page." CreationDate="2019-09-05T19:40:01.070" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21009" PostId="4340" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble On the [activity tab](https://mathoverflow.net/users/41291/მამუკა-ჯიბლაძე?tab=topactivity) in the reputation column." CreationDate="2019-09-05T19:46:24.003" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21010" PostId="4340" Score="3" Text="This seems to be a similar problem to this bug recently reported on [math.meta.se]: [MathJax “jumbled up” in the activity tab of a user](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30644). (As a side note, the tag ([meta-tag:profile-page]) might be suitable for this question - after all, that's where the problem manifests.)" CreationDate="2019-09-05T19:48:02.617" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21011" PostId="4340" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes, I understood that, but still didn't see it." CreationDate="2019-09-05T20:30:02.550" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21012" PostId="4340" Score="0" Text="I'm on Firefox 68.0.2, using MacOS Mojave 10.14.2." CreationDate="2019-09-06T00:54:19.483" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21014" PostId="4340" Score="1" Text="Probably I should have linked to the [summary subtab](https://mathoverflow.net/users/41291/მამუკა-ჯიბლაძე?tab=summary) - but I think that it's chosen by default when displaying activity tab of some user for the first time. Anyway, Todd Trimble's comment suggests that there is most likely a difference between various browsers, the same was suggested in comments on the [meta question from the nearby site](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30644) that I linked above. (I have added a bit more details in [MO chatroom}(https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/51606292#51606292).)" CreationDate="2019-09-06T06:36:28.190" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21015" PostId="4340" Score="0" Text="The bug does not manifest for me. However, looking at the examples, it is likely connected to the fact that the part of the text that includes the MathJax expression is actually hidden (replaced with ...). Presumably the code responsible for calling MathJax erroneously makes it render despite it being hidden." CreationDate="2019-09-06T10:59:20.217" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21022" PostId="4342" Score="1" Text="As a side not I will mention that the posts from [meta.se] are displayed in the community bulletin only on the main site, not on meta." CreationDate="2019-09-06T22:22:08.120" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21058" PostId="4344" Score="1" Text="It was my understanding that some types of 'open problem' questions (e.g. &quot;does this solve Goldbach&quot;) were explicitly unwelcome here, but an &quot;open-problems&quot; tag seems to give the opposite impression. Perhaps this should be mentioned in the tag description to avoid potential downvote avalanches for new users?" CreationDate="2019-09-19T02:34:57.790" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="21049" PostId="4345" Score="0" Text="Interesting idea. Perhaps you can get it done that soon.  People don't have to celebrate on the 28th, but it holds some sentiment for me. Gerhard &quot;Will Stick With These Plans&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.14." CreationDate="2019-09-15T06:25:25.330" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21050" PostId="4345" Score="0" Text="I think the paper would be a good idea. It would be a nice follow-up to Anton's [summer 2010 article about MO](https://stacky.net/files/MOnotices.pdf) in the _Notices of the AMS_." CreationDate="2019-09-16T02:10:07.703" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21059" PostId="4346" Score="7" Text="An older post on this site: [How is this site different from Mathematics Stack Exchange?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/271) See also:  [What's the difference between MathOverflow &amp; Mathematics.SE?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/185784) (Meta Stack Exchange)&#xA;and [Differences between mathoverflow and math.stackexchange.](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/41) (Meta Mathematics)." CreationDate="2019-09-19T19:20:22.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21060" PostId="4346" Score="4" Text="We have been complaining for a while that this difference is not presented clearly enough to new users; see [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3386/should-users-be-shown-some-basic-information-before-posting-the-first-question) for instance. This question is another confirmation that this is a real problem." CreationDate="2019-09-21T10:29:49.473" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21061" PostId="4347" Score="6" Text="I'll just add that the **reason** not to post on both sites is that it can create a situation where people here (or there) are devoting effort to answering your question without realizing that it's already been answered there (or here)." CreationDate="2019-09-21T12:00:25.240" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="21065" PostId="4347" Score="2" Text="If you repost a question on another site under any circumstances, **always** include in both questions cross-links to each other." CreationDate="2019-09-24T08:07:47.193" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21066" PostId="4349" Score="5" Text="Chat rooms could be used for that, but of course you need an audience of more than one." CreationDate="2019-09-24T20:11:17.777" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21067" PostId="4349" Score="0" Text="I was thinking of something more permanent. So that future readers of the same thing might actually find it useful as a resource." CreationDate="2019-09-24T20:29:06.050" UserId="126543" />
  <row Id="21068" PostId="4349" Score="0" Text="Have you considered, Kim, posting to math.stackexchange.com?" CreationDate="2019-09-24T22:04:01.453" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21069" PostId="4349" Score="2" Text="I don't necessarily think math.stackexchange is the right place to be posting random questions about a paper on motivic cohomology, for example." CreationDate="2019-09-25T03:39:02.077" UserId="126543" />
  <row Id="21070" PostId="4349" Score="0" Text="Since you've mentioned motivic cohomology as an example, I'll just check whether you are aware of [Homotopy theory chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/9417/homotopy-theory). (Some other [specialized chat rooms](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/355) have been suggested, but this one is the only one which is relatively active. There are also [some chatrooms](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/26814) associated with the [math.se] site.)" CreationDate="2019-09-25T04:36:39.653" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21071" PostId="4349" Score="0" Text="These question on main are somewhat related: [Are there any good websites for hosting discussions of mathematical papers?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/51056) and [Errata database?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/3038). (Since many of the answers are quite old, I'd expect that some of the links given there might be already outdated.)" CreationDate="2019-09-25T04:38:13.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21072" PostId="4349" Score="0" Text="There are also some post on this meta which are (to some extent) related to discussions about specific papers/books: [Area 51 Mathematics Open Community Reviews](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4321) and [area 51 proposal - Math review](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2396). The latter was discussed a bit more on [math.meta.se]: [Math Review - Proposal on area 51](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21250). Some of the [questions linked there](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/21250) might be of interest, too." CreationDate="2019-09-25T04:42:58.597" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21073" PostId="4349" Score="0" Text="In the past there were some suggestions to create tag for some specific book. (This would make easy to display only posts on MO related to this book.) However, if you look at outcome of those discussions, this does not seem as a reasonable way to go. On this meta: [Tag referring to a book/ specific collection of problems](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3948). On [math.meta.se]: [Is it OK to create a tag about exercises from one particular book?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/29359) and [Is using subtags to identify book source...](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/13817)" CreationDate="2019-09-25T04:56:50.567" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21125" PostId="4349" Score="0" Text="&quot;I don't necessarily think math.stackexchange is the right place to be posting random questions about a paper on motivic cohomology, for example.&quot; Well, you might be surprised. There are some very learned users at math.stackexchange. Also, it probably is the right place to post questions, random or otherwise, about a  Calculus textbook. As there was nothing in your post to indicate whether what you had in mind was closer to beginner Calculus or to motivic cohomology, you might have wanted to dial down the snark a little bit." CreationDate="2019-10-10T10:04:09.713" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21128" PostId="4349" Score="0" Text="Gerry, you misunderstood my point. The key phrase was not &quot;motivic cohomology&quot; (although it seems to have clarified the context). The key word is &quot;paper&quot;. The goal is not for me to find help about one particular passage or formula, but rather to find or set up a centralized system so that all current and future readers of a particular piece of literature can refer to it, work out issues together, and not have to reproduce the mishaps of earlier generations of readers. I hope you understand why math.stackexchange or mathoverflow in its current form are not really suitable for this." CreationDate="2019-10-10T14:47:20.660" UserId="126543" />
  <row Id="21129" PostId="4349" Score="0" Text="Let me add that I suggest this because I think the community would benefit from it. I am not familiar with the limits of the mathoverflow engine, but I hope that people more experienced might inform me about whether this is feasible, or point out another platform where it might work better." CreationDate="2019-10-10T14:49:22.750" UserId="126543" />
  <row Id="21075" PostId="4351" Score="3" Text="Some related posts - although they seem to be more about citations for posts rather than comments: [How does one cite a MO post with an anonymous author?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3460) Also this post on [Academia](https://academia.stackexchange.com): [How to acknowledge a MathOverflow user?](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/107963)" CreationDate="2019-09-25T20:22:14.837" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21078" PostId="4351" Score="17" Text="My impression is that while fedja is in no hurry to link his MO account to his other public details, he is not making any attempt at anonymity. I can't remember if he's ever confirmed his identity but I (and I think many others) have a fairly safe guess as to his identity" CreationDate="2019-09-25T21:53:26.200" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21080" PostId="4351" Score="8" Text="@GerhardPaseman --- it might be better to remove the comment that discloses the hidden identity..." CreationDate="2019-09-26T09:34:09.500" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="21081" PostId="4351" Score="22" Text="Poor Fedja, his/her comment closed a conjecture by Erdös and has only one upvote. It's hard to get recognition..." CreationDate="2019-09-26T12:51:26.637" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21083" PostId="4351" Score="2" Text="@Federico It was 0 before I've asked this question, but by now it's already 7!" CreationDate="2019-09-26T18:59:18.087" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="21085" PostId="4351" Score="7" Text="I think fedja is probably fine being cited anonymously but if not he will presumably be able to see your response and divulge his identity. However you should certainly be careful to preserve the comment before citing it, as discussed in the comments to Carlo's answer." CreationDate="2019-09-26T23:14:49.553" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="21086" PostId="4351" Score="2" Text="@WillSawin Domotorp's comment dates from August and Fedja has been on the site since then, so he might not have seen the comment; he isn't usually the sort of person to duck a straightforward question (&quot;how should I cite your answer&quot;) by ignoring it" CreationDate="2019-09-27T12:46:14.253" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21087" PostId="4351" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi In that case &quot;I'm unable to contact fedja&quot; still seems a little extreme - if one were to make another comment there's a good chance he would see it and a small chance he'd be annoyed very much." CreationDate="2019-09-27T13:03:13.277" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="21088" PostId="4351" Score="7" Text="So I have deleted my earlier comment, however there is other information suggesting the name of the entity operating then account fedja. Gerhard &quot;He Is Not Very Anonymous&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.27." CreationDate="2019-09-27T16:56:14.900" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21098" PostId="4351" Score="10" Text="If you google &quot;fedja math&quot;, there is one very clear candidate who appears at the top of the results. Everything on his website seems to match fedja's profile. You might try emailing him and checking if he is the one." CreationDate="2019-09-29T10:46:01.243" UserId="126543" />
  <row Id="21077" PostId="4352" Score="13" Text="Since it is available, citing the edit history of a post is a little better. That way scholars have access to the version that inspired the citation.  Gerhard &quot;Making Digital Archaeology Somewhat Easier&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.25." CreationDate="2019-09-25T20:31:46.340" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21079" PostId="4352" Score="8" Text="And putting that version of the post into the Internet Archive would be a good idea, so it has a permanent-ish url." CreationDate="2019-09-26T09:09:26.170" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21082" PostId="4352" Score="3" Text="I will just add to David Robert's comment that sometimes it might be important that all comments and all answers are shown (if there are many answers or comments). Such version of a question can be obtained using StackPrinter, see [this answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/505#4175). In this case, you can compare the snapshots of [the usual version](http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://mathoverflow.net/questions/300604/almost-monochromatic-point-sets) and [the StackPrinter version](http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.stackprinter.com/export?question=300604&amp;service=mathoverflow)." CreationDate="2019-09-26T15:28:41.717" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21084" PostId="4352" Score="6" Text="Definitely doing one of those two things in this case is a good idea because comment history, unlike edit history, is not automatically preserved." CreationDate="2019-09-26T22:56:16.117" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="21091" PostId="4352" Score="6" Text="@WillSawin ...and, just to remind this fact to those reading here, this is one of the reasons why it is a bad idea to put answers in comments." CreationDate="2019-09-28T09:45:21.047" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21092" PostId="4352" Score="7" Text="why not copy the comments in an answer, community wiki, clearly indicating who is the author?" CreationDate="2019-09-28T10:56:24.737" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="21107" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="@WillSawin but many of the answers are in fact, wholly, or partly, inspired by comments on MO, I suppose" CreationDate="2019-10-01T08:43:16.090" UserId="100231" />
  <row Id="21124" PostId="4352" Score="7" Text="User Fedja is not &quot;anonymous&quot;. He is a well known MO user, and he has a name, namely &quot;User Fedja&quot;." CreationDate="2019-10-08T15:27:54.147" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="21189" PostId="4352" Score="2" Text="It wouldn't be a second either: [(0,1)-matrix congruence: is it known?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/21313/48278)." CreationDate="2019-10-20T07:05:13.863" UserId="48278" />
  <row Id="21093" PostId="4353" Score="3" Text="If we take the posting of [Question Number 1](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/1/ignore-this-question) as a basis, the posting of this comment marks a little more precisely the 10th anniversary of MathOverflow!" CreationDate="2019-09-28T16:11:38.697" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21095" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="@user142929 How is your comment relevant to Gerhard's post or MO's anniversary?" CreationDate="2019-09-28T20:29:12.800" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21096" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="I deleted it, it was just my feedback about the question @YemonChoi" CreationDate="2019-09-28T21:00:36.183" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21100" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="I'd be interested to hear or read of any media coverage of MO that this anniversary may have given rise to. (Maybe this warrants a separate question.)" CreationDate="2019-09-30T14:07:39.803" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="21101" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="I would too. Gerhard &quot;Doesn't Handle MathOverflow Media Relations&quot; Paseman, 2019.09.30." CreationDate="2019-09-30T14:22:10.840" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21105" PostId="4353" Score="5" Text="While we are celebrating, the Titanic is sinking. First the licensing issue (https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333089/ https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333615/ https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333678/), and now the firing on a whim of one of the most respected moderators on multiple sites that resulted in mass resignation of others (https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333965/ https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/334015/ etc., just see the meta home page https://meta.stackexchange.com/)." CreationDate="2019-10-01T06:45:35.527" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21108" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="If the metaphor is apt @Emil , where are the lifeboats? I don't downplay the concerns: MathOverflow suffers from analogous problems and things should be done. Indeed, my hope is to bring the community together to celebrate, to acknowledge and consider, and then make a plan for moving forward. But I don't see this as a sinking ship. Gerhard &quot;Are You Getting On Board?&quot; Paseman, 2019.10.01." CreationDate="2019-10-01T14:31:16.627" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21109" PostId="4353" Score="3" Text="Well, our lifeboat as it were is Section 7 of the [migration agreement](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/970). While I’m not saying that matters already got to the point where it would become necessary to invoke it, we should watch the developments closely to stay informed. And, let me stress that we are not watching it from outside; at this time we are an integral part of the SE network, and most of the contentious issues directly apply to MO (the mandatory arbitration clause last year, now the possibly illegal relicensing, the apparently coming update of the code of conduct, ...)." CreationDate="2019-10-01T19:53:32.007" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21121" PostId="4353" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl your comment is accurate on the second!" CreationDate="2019-10-07T07:04:31.700" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="21123" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="Yes, and some how I was off an hour. Gerhard &quot;Not Sure How That Happened&quot; Paseman, 2019.10.07." CreationDate="2019-10-07T22:28:18.703" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21126" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman Maybe you didn't take daylight saving time into account?" CreationDate="2019-10-10T12:20:00.963" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21099" PostId="4355" Score="2" Text="Mmm... toast. Did you have it with butter?" CreationDate="2019-09-30T09:17:47.310" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="21155" PostId="4355" Score="8" Text="&quot;Photo and a few more details to come.&quot; Nudge." CreationDate="2019-10-13T18:23:42.913" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="21102" PostId="4356" Score="2" Text="The 3rd Times article concerns $2184=3^7-3=13^3-13$ and says, &quot;Previously, a software engineer named Willie Wu had also noticed it and posted a question about it on MathOverflow. He found the same eight solutions, and conjectured that there are no more. One of his readers, a number theorist named Mike Bennett, pointed out that he had discussed this same question (and found the same answers) in this paper published in 2001.&quot; The MO reference is https://mathoverflow.net/questions/158071/integer-solutions-of-xyn-y-xm-for-n-m" CreationDate="2019-09-30T22:06:26.680" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21103" PostId="4356" Score="0" Text="The paper from Notices is also mentioned in an answer to this question: [Papers, articles, books and other resources discussing MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4114). However, that post is in somewhat different direction - it's about academic papers, not about news." CreationDate="2019-10-01T06:06:42.037" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21106" PostId="4356" Score="1" Text="This is probably a rather naive suggestion, but perhaps one could also check the results which you get when searching in [Google News](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_News): https://news.google.com/search?q=mathoverflow" CreationDate="2019-10-01T06:51:04.937" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21110" PostId="4359" Score="0" Text="Links to some info about question ban (and answer ban) can be found [in the corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/post-ban/info)." CreationDate="2019-10-02T17:29:23.203" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21111" PostId="4359" Score="0" Text="About the choice of tags: It seems to me that this is closer to ([meta-tag:support]) than to ([meta-tag:discussion]), so probably that tag could be added. Also I don't think that (blacklist) is really the suitable that here, if you [check the tag-excerpt](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/blacklist/info), this tag is intended for &quot; questions about the words and phrases which are blocked from appearing in posts or titles&quot;." CreationDate="2019-10-03T06:44:49.643" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21116" PostId="4363" Score="1" Text="I agree with S. Carnahan's answer. Multiplication of tags is results in a less coherent use and sets up artificial boundaries (differential and algebraic geometry are not disjoint settings). I'd even say that the fact the tag vector-bundles is transversal to those subjects makes it valuable. That some people reading the tag vector-bundles have difficulty with understanding those posts in algebraic geometry is part of the game." CreationDate="2019-10-05T06:24:01.030" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21117" PostId="4363" Score="0" Text="@YCor “That some people reading the tag vector-bundles have difficulty with understanding those posts in algebraic geometry is part of the game”.. thank you.. :) every time you respond, it teach me something.." CreationDate="2019-10-05T07:35:35.627" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="21118" PostId="4363" Score="2" Text="I actually include myself among these &quot;some people&quot; (not for this particular tag which I don't subscribe, but many others). And also in congresses/seminars I attend which are supposedly in &quot;my&quot; field. This is part of student/researcher's life. If a subtopic is broad it's normal not to understand all its aspects, no shame." CreationDate="2019-10-05T07:45:20.753" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21119" PostId="4363" Score="0" Text="Yes, master.. no shame :)" CreationDate="2019-10-05T07:54:09.520" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="21112" PostId="4364" Score="0" Text="I am thinking people who can comfortably think of vector bundles in the set up of manifolds has difficulty in seeing them in algebraic geometry... Am I misunderstanding? Just adding the term &quot;over a scheme&quot; might not make much difference.." CreationDate="2019-10-04T02:43:48.473" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="21127" PostId="4366" Score="7" Text="A hundred years from now, people might be put off by eleven or more questions about collaborative technology, while some would appreciate the recorded timeline on MathOverflow. I think a new question is reasonable, especially if some contrast or differentiation can be provided in the new question.  So I have no problem with an update.  Gerhard &quot;Worry Instead About Jokes Thread&quot; Paseman, 2019.10.10." CreationDate="2019-10-10T14:17:06.773" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21130" PostId="4366" Score="0" Text="I agree: update the question at the top and make it clear that newer solutions are desired." CreationDate="2019-10-11T03:48:13.257" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21131" PostId="4366" Score="2" Text="I think it's cleaner and neater to have new questions *every now and then*. If in the future we figure out that this is too much noise we can do a one-off project to merge them all into a single thread. But once a decade or so seems like the appropriate amount of time between versions of this question." CreationDate="2019-10-11T15:25:32.943" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="21132" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts This is not an superable barrier, but the question is now protected (by Community, so presumably this was an algorithmic decision about the question being dormant and already having lots of answers), so I would be using moderator powers to unprotect it and ask for new answers." CreationDate="2019-10-11T15:37:37.400" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="21133" PostId="4366" Score="7" Text="To be more clear, I agree with Asaf that a new question with a link to the former is warranted. There should be something about the new question that says why the old answers do not suffice. Gerhard &quot;Update Was Not Sufficiently Clear&quot; Paseman, 2010.10.11." CreationDate="2019-10-11T17:02:40.207" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21153" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="I think it is a bad idea when old answers about technologies that are no longer relevant are mixed in with new answers.  This will be very confusing to whoever is reading the answers.  Unless we actually delete older answers, it makes more sense to ask a new question." CreationDate="2019-10-13T15:14:49.480" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="21154" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="@BenWebster: Doesn't protection just mean that brand-new users ( &lt; 10 rep) can't post answers?  So new answers can still be collected (from people with &gt;= 10 rep) even if you leave it protected.  Maybe you are thinking of &quot;locked&quot;." CreationDate="2019-10-13T15:24:29.907" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="21245" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="Regarding your question about &quot;not a good fit for the site&quot;, I might ask if there is anything specifically mathematical about long-distance collaboration tools you want to consider.  That is, would this question have a better home at a more generalist site like &quot;academia&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-11-03T15:54:12.907" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="21899" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="I see that you have created the ([meta-tag:technology]) tag. It might be useful to create also [tag-wiki or at least tag-excerpt](http://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/technology/info). It might help other users to use the tag correctly. Another reason is that the tags used on only one question are [automatically deleted](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/tag-pruning/info) after certain time [unless they have tag-wiki](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/127700)." CreationDate="2020-04-14T05:13:00.323" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21903" PostId="4366" Score="0" Text="I think &quot;technology&quot; couldn't fit as a meta tag, but as tag on the main site. The meta tag 'exact-duplicate' would fit albeit secondary (the question is whether some kind of question should be asked in spite of being possibly technically considered as duplicate). @MartinSleziak would you have some suggestions based on your knowledge of other Stackexchange sites? Along the lines of &quot;old questions&quot;, &quot;updating&quot;, etc. Also a tag referring generically to soft questions would be useful." CreationDate="2020-04-14T10:43:56.283" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21180" PostId="4367" Score="0" Text="If it's of interest to research mathematicians, it has a home here. This is a public site; there's no reason enthusiasts wouldn't browse MO as well as MSE." CreationDate="2019-10-15T13:38:35.737" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="21137" PostId="4368" Score="10" Text="I'm pretty sure that so long as MO stays on the platform we're subject to the same CoC as everyone else.  We could of course try to take our ball and go home.  But although my heart breaks for Monica (who's an old friend from another site, who I think very highly of, and who was really terribly treated), as far as I can tell there's nothing actually bad in the CoC, so I can't imagine leaving being seriously considered." CreationDate="2019-10-12T01:51:23.917" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="21138" PostId="4368" Score="16" Text="@NoahSnyder I still don't fully understand what's going on even after several hours of reading over the last two days. Most of the uproar that isn't tied to Monica's firing but to the new CoC itself seems to come from the FAQ post which reads very different than the CoC itself. It is easy to read the new code charitable and as an expansion of the general &quot;don't be a dick&quot; theme of the CoC. It is much harder to read the FAQ in this way. Especially the questions about what is considered a violation and how violations will be enforced are causing worries." CreationDate="2019-10-12T02:05:27.367" UserId="3041" />
  <row Id="21139" PostId="4368" Score="6" Text="The FAQ is very weirdly written at points and I can see why you might be concerned.  But I'd be really surprised if the board is considering leaving preemptively before seeing if it ends up being frequently applied unreasonably (and not just the unobjectionable &quot;conspicuously avoiding one person's pronouns while using other people's pronouns makes you a jerk&quot; which seems to be the corner case leading to the weird writing)." CreationDate="2019-10-12T02:15:42.643" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="21140" PostId="4368" Score="4" Text="And &quot;considering leaving&quot; is maybe too strong. How about &quot;Right now, I'm glad that the option is there if we need it&quot; ?" CreationDate="2019-10-12T02:20:43.167" UserId="3041" />
  <row Id="21141" PostId="4368" Score="0" Text="I certainly agree with that." CreationDate="2019-10-12T02:27:24.623" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="21145" PostId="4368" Score="2" Text="@user76284 the links you gave were deleted. What did they say?" CreationDate="2019-10-12T21:24:29.220" UserId="127690" />
  <row Id="21146" PostId="4368" Score="9" Text="I think the meta.SE post about pronouns with the best ratio of light to heat is [this one](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/335234/) which has a more understandable version of what the FAQ is hopefully trying to say and an insightful answer with a somewhat different viewpoint raising a few objections.  I think it's really unfortunate that SE rolled this out in a way that would maximize distrust of them (since Monica is widely beloved), not least because it's harmful for SE's trans and non-binary users that their reasonable requests are now associated with SE's unreasonable behavior." CreationDate="2019-10-12T23:04:13.137" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="21147" PostId="4368" Score="5" Text="@Noah Snyder: Well, to my understanding Monica is a victim of *some* LGBTQ people. She used to write in a gender-neutral way (as most of us do on MO) and was blamed by this group for not using prefered pronouns." CreationDate="2019-10-13T01:57:37.503" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="21148" PostId="4368" Score="4" Text="@tj_  Do you have any evidence to back that up?  As far as public information goes it appears that the main people involved in that decision are cis straight people." CreationDate="2019-10-13T02:14:05.093" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="21149" PostId="4368" Score="20" Text="To make things clear for casual readers, the link in @NoahSnyder's comment does *not* discuss the official FAQ. Rather, it proposes a *replacement* for the FAQ. It is basically irrelevant, as the company has made it clear over the course of the last year or two that they have zero interest in taking suggestions from the community into account, they just want everybody to shut up and do what they are told." CreationDate="2019-10-13T07:47:19.153" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21150" PostId="4368" Score="26" Text="Also, at this point it’s clear that the company does not care one iota about members of the LGBTQ+ community, or of any of their other users for that matter. Users of the free service are not customers, but a product; SE treats them (that is, us) as an expendable commodity it owns. The only point of the CoC update is that they can show it to their investors and real customers (advertisers, etc.): “here, look, we care about inclusiveness and diversity”. The actual effects of the change mean nothing to them." CreationDate="2019-10-13T07:59:49.717" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21151" PostId="4368" Score="2" Text="Let me also note that I will keep this Incognito browser window open as long as I can, to keep this burner account cookie around. But I cannot guarantee I can wait indefinitely for a response, so apologise if this gets an official answer and this account is not longer available to me to accept said answer." CreationDate="2019-10-13T10:41:52.180" UserId="147112" />
  <row Id="21152" PostId="4368" Score="3" Text="For what it's worth, I'm a man and tick all the privilege boxes. Please take this question in good faith; I presumed it would come up at some point, and wanted to raise it in a dispassionate way so an official answer can be pointed to if needed in future. I'm losing the will to think about the StackExchange Inc v MathOverflow issue, so it might be best if this sinks into obscurity." CreationDate="2019-10-13T12:52:49.900" UserId="147112" />
  <row Id="21156" PostId="4368" Score="3" Text="I think the short answer is that at the other forums there is community discontent and belief they have loss of power over their participation, and that there is some fight for control.  Andrew Stacey had a remark which I interpret as &quot;if everyone realized that there was room for mistakes and forgiveness, then everyone could contribute to the common goals of the forum&quot;.  I am hoping to help steer this forum toward that. Gerhard &quot;Get Along To Get Along&quot; Paseman, 2019.10.13." CreationDate="2019-10-13T20:05:11.107" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21159" PostId="4368" Score="0" Text="@Gerhard +1, I think that sums up the situation well." CreationDate="2019-10-13T20:26:03.633" UserId="147112" />
  <row Id="21162" PostId="4368" Score="12" Text="Concerning the licensing issue, it might be a good idea if representatives of the MathOverflow corporation in their official capacity ask SE for explanation what is the legal basis for this unilateral retroactive licence change. They staunchly refuse to say anything to users, but they just might treat a request from the MO corp. more seriously." CreationDate="2019-10-14T07:20:56.060" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21163" PostId="4368" Score="0" Text="@Emil yes, I agree, and focussing just on MO content will highlight the tricky situation better." CreationDate="2019-10-14T08:30:25.957" UserId="147112" />
  <row Id="21164" PostId="4368" Score="1" Text="Sorry, I try to read all the discussion on meta-SE, but it soon became too complicated and Kafkian for me. Just a question: may I still use expressions like ''the OP'' in a MO-thread, or this is going to offend someone?" CreationDate="2019-10-14T09:04:15.150" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="21165" PostId="4368" Score="10" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi There is some discussion of “the OP” in the FAQ thread, but it seems inconclusive. The only thing that’s clear is that if a CM determines it might offend someone, the punishment will be swift and hard." CreationDate="2019-10-14T10:17:17.620" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21168" PostId="4368" Score="12" Text="That is, the official “rule” is apparently that if you know someone’s pronouns, and call them “the OP”, it’s ok if this is something you would do anyway, but it is a punishable violation of the CoC if you’ve done it in order to avoid using the pronouns. Since SE failed to issue moderators with mind-reading technology, it’s anyone’s guess how they are supposed to judge your *intent*." CreationDate="2019-10-14T12:03:27.253" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21169" PostId="4368" Score="19" Text="Am I particularly susceptible, or this at the very least seems irrational, and at worst borders on lunatic?" CreationDate="2019-10-14T12:40:55.583" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="21170" PostId="4368" Score="21" Text="My opinion is that requiring the use of requested pronouns and punishing people for using a completely innocent and neutral form as &quot;the OP&quot; is coercing speech." CreationDate="2019-10-14T12:49:38.967" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="21171" PostId="4368" Score="11" Text="You judge intent in this case the same way that you judge it in other cases: by examining the visible evidence.  If somebody's posting history makes it clear that they always say &quot;the OP&quot;, then the intent in using it now is probably not to avoid pronouns.  But if their posting history makes it clear that they regularly use pronouns and have never before said &quot;the OP&quot;, then the intent behind its use now is much more questionable.  _Mens rea_ goes back at least to the 13th century (says Wikipedia) and has never required mind-reading, just examination of the available evidence." CreationDate="2019-10-14T21:16:56.390" UserId="8508" />
  <row Id="21172" PostId="4368" Score="4" Text="(But my previous comment does not mean that I endorse scrutinizing everybody's language for offences to judge this way.  Assuming good faith means that if somebody decides to stop using pronouns to avoid the risk of misusing them (and consequently misgendering people), then this should be seen as a desire to do good and be accepted.  And on the topic of judging intent, a stated intention should usually be trusted.  In my mind, a better framing would be one of discrimination: if you treat cis and trans people differently when it comes to pronoun usage, then that really starts to be insulting.)" CreationDate="2019-10-14T21:21:44.907" UserId="8508" />
  <row Id="21173" PostId="4368" Score="8" Text="So you are saying that if someone decides one day to use an expression completely innocent like &quot;the OP&quot; for the first time in his life, we should make a trial and see *how* and *why* he decided to do this? Are you serious? I cannot believe that we could arrive at this point." CreationDate="2019-10-14T22:25:32.103" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="21174" PostId="4368" Score="15" Text="For the sake of some misinterpreted &quot;inclusiveness&quot;, we are making people afraid to speak and we are coercing their language, expecting to judge their *intent*. We are using the expression *mens rea* when talking about &quot;the OP&quot;! We suddendly are in &quot;1984&quot;, or what?" CreationDate="2019-10-14T22:33:14.517" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="21175" PostId="4368" Score="3" Text="The **only** way &quot;the OP&quot; can be insulting is if the OP (him/her/them)self(ves)  explicitly ask(s) to be called by using the pronoun, and one insists saying &quot;the OP&quot;. This would be clearly rude, and must be avoided. Otherwise, we cannot punish someone just because a neutral expression *might* offend someone *for some unknown reasons*." CreationDate="2019-10-14T22:45:37.810" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="21179" PostId="4368" Score="2" Text="I just discovered &quot;ze&quot;, &quot;zir&quot; in these threads. So far, when I was in doubt I always used either &quot;they&quot; or &quot;the OP&quot;, and I was sure it was ok." CreationDate="2019-10-15T07:53:09.823" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="21190" PostId="4368" Score="8" Text="I find this question baffling for several reasons. I don't understand why any of this is a big deal, nor do I understand why the OP feels the need to post &quot;anonymously for reasons that should be obvious.&quot; The latter sounds like weird paranoia or an attempt to create an air of spy drama. I don't see any link in the question to whatever material about pronouns seems to be generating Oh My God reactions in a few people. The question is written as if this were some sort of existential threat to MO, which seems extremely silly." CreationDate="2019-10-20T18:02:31.217" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="21194" PostId="4368" Score="1" Text="About the &quot;anonymously for reasons that should be obvious&quot;, I agree. Regarding the pronouns, the big discussion is here:&#xA;&#xA;https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334900/official-faq-on-gender-pronouns-and-code-of-conduct-changes?cb=1&#xA;&#xA;There is no &quot;existential threat&quot;, but many people are evidently upset." CreationDate="2019-10-21T15:51:56.983" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="21196" PostId="4368" Score="3" Text="@tj_ &quot;Why should a minority of users have the right to dictate other users which words they have to use?&quot; So I guess if I want to call black people the n-word I should have the right to? What right does a minority have to dictate which words I use? (In case this is not clear, this is reductio ad absurdum. Any reasonable person would agree that calling black people the n-word is bad. Claiming that minorities don't have the right to tell you what you can/can't call them is absurd.)" CreationDate="2019-10-22T15:08:46.123" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="21200" PostId="4368" Score="7" Text="@Najib Idrissi: My comment is concerned with neopronouns." CreationDate="2019-10-22T18:43:17.153" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="21201" PostId="4368" Score="2" Text="@tj_ It's rather sad that a mathematician can't understand analogies." CreationDate="2019-10-23T06:36:05.753" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="21202" PostId="4368" Score="9" Text="@NajibIdrissi It’s one thing to demand that users *shouldn’t* use certain words such as the offensive name you are talking about, and it’s a completely different thing to demand that users *must* use certain words (some of which are not even actual English words in the first place). It’s called compelled speach." CreationDate="2019-10-23T11:39:07.343" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21203" PostId="4368" Score="15" Text="Having said that, SE now scrapped the original CoC FAQ and replaced it with a much better one, taking the most important complaints of the community into account, see https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/336364 and https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/336366 . There is some hope the company finally started to communicate with its users again. However, the situation of Monica (that involved highly unethical behaviour on the part of SE) as well as other issues such as illegal relicensing remain unresolved as yet." CreationDate="2019-10-23T11:46:32.277" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21205" PostId="4368" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Funnily enough, my comment pointing out that in real life, people who call other people by names they don't like are considered as assholes was deleted. Is this *gasp* compelled speech?! (cue scary X-Files music theme)" CreationDate="2019-10-24T06:09:45.340" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="21206" PostId="4368" Score="5" Text="@NajibIdrissi What does that have to do with the difference between negative and positive commands?" CreationDate="2019-10-24T07:29:42.340" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21207" PostId="4368" Score="9" Text="@NajibIdrissi Based on your offensive comment that I’ve actually seen before it was deleted, I suspect you still don’t understand the issue. Consider the following: (1) “Don’t call me n**** or asshole.” (2) “Whenever you speak about me, you must call me ‘btxp’. You can’t just call me by name, by a description such as ‘the OP’, by a neutral pronoun, or in any other way. If you speak about me, even indirectly, in a sentence that does not include ‘btxp’, it is an offence.” For me (unlike you, it seems) , (1) is a prefectly reasonable request that should be honoured in any civil conversation. ..." CreationDate="2019-10-24T08:08:45.160" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21208" PostId="4368" Score="9" Text="... In contrast, (2) is an absurd unreasonable demand. (2) is compelled speech. (2) was included in the draft CoC update whose discussion led to Monica’s dismissal, (2) was included in the original FAQ following the CoC update, (2) is what tj_ and me were talking about." CreationDate="2019-10-24T08:11:15.973" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21209" PostId="4368" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek I am not sure how it is offensive to say that in real life, when you call someone by a name they don't like, then you are considered to be an asshole. Perhaps it is not clear, and my lack of English skills are showing, but &quot;you&quot; is a general you, not &quot;you, Emil Jeřábek&quot;. If A asked B to refer to A as &quot;she&quot; or &quot;ze&quot; and B said &quot;he&quot; when speaking to someone else, then yes, B would be an asshole. I am not making any claims about you specifically and if you are choosing to see it this way, then it is your own issue." CreationDate="2019-10-24T08:54:44.207" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="21210" PostId="4368" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek &quot;What does that have to do with the difference between negative and positive commands?&quot; If you had actually read my deleted comment, then you would know what I think about this. You *shouldn't* call people names they don't like. If you do, you will face consequences. The CoC outlined these consequences. If you interpret it as the fact that you *mustn't* call people names they don't like because you don't want to face these consequences, then you are responsible for this interpretation. What happens when someone only likes certain names is left as an exercise to the reader." CreationDate="2019-10-24T08:59:26.663" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="21211" PostId="4368" Score="6" Text="You keep setting up straw men. There is no issue whatsoever with the fact that you *mustn’t* call people using certain words. (Whether you write “shouldn’t” or “mustn’t” has no bearing on the issue.) The issue is that they demand that you *must* call them using certain words." CreationDate="2019-10-24T09:18:12.460" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21212" PostId="4368" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek &quot;What happens when someone only likes certain names is left as an exercise to the reader.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-10-24T09:23:41.640" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="21213" PostId="4368" Score="6" Text="@NajibIdrissi Continuing your example, it’s not that A asked B to refer to A as “she” and B said “he”. Assume B actually said “In the original post, A wrote that ....”. According to the original FAQ, *this is already a violation of the CoC*." CreationDate="2019-10-24T09:24:22.897" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21214" PostId="4368" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek When you talk about strawmen... In the original CoC, this would be a violation only if you wouldn't ordinarily write the sentence like this and only do it to discriminate A. Since pretty much everyone writes sentences like this (referring to people by their name), nobody would have been in violation of the CoC by writing this sentence. You are grasping at straws." CreationDate="2019-10-24T09:26:08.063" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="21215" PostId="4368" Score="5" Text="@EmilJeřábek When people avoid using pronouns because they disagree with the chosen pronouns of some people, they end up formulating rather awkward sentences where the lack of pronouns is very clear and that way it becomes a way to show your disagreement with the chosen pronoun while not violating the old CoC. This is what they wanted to stop with the new CoC." CreationDate="2019-10-24T20:21:21.763" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="21216" PostId="4368" Score="1" Text="@Tobias Kildetoft: Can you give an example for a sentence that is rather awkwardly formulated because someone avoided using pronouns?" CreationDate="2019-10-25T07:17:47.783" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="21217" PostId="4368" Score="3" Text="@tj: well, if there are three people, asking to be called by *he, she* and *ze*, respectively, and one writes something like &quot;he did such and such, she did such and such and *that person* did such and such&quot;, this would be extremely rude, in my opinion." CreationDate="2019-10-25T13:03:58.930" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="21218" PostId="4368" Score="0" Text="@tj_ As Francesco mentions, there are the very clear examples. But Francesco could also have given other examples (I am sure said person is aware of these, so this is not meant to single Francesco out or in any way disregard what the person in question said). Yes, this was obviously a very contrived example, but turning it into something that sounds natural without pronouns is still nontrivial." CreationDate="2019-10-25T14:26:00.930" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="21219" PostId="4368" Score="2" Text="@Francesco Polizzi: On MO/SE one could simply use &quot;@A did such and such, @B  did such and such and @C  did such and such&quot;. When addressing a person (on MO/SE) for the first time, it's usual to use the username or OP, anyway, and not pronouns." CreationDate="2019-10-25T20:17:18.513" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="21220" PostId="4368" Score="8" Text="Note that the &quot;extremely disappointed&quot; letter to Stack Exchange was signed by Todd Trimble (one of our moderators), as well as Asaf Karagila and Joonas Ilmavarta (active participants here, moderators on other StackExchange sites): https://dearstackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2019-10-30T14:49:20.113" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="21136" PostId="4369" Score="6" Text="I just saw the new code of conduct at the linked page. A [version of that page from 15 March 2019](https://web.archive.org/web/20190315185539/https://mathoverflow.net/conduct) is different to what it is now." CreationDate="2019-10-12T01:24:32.460" UserId="147112" />
  <row Id="21143" PostId="4369" Score="9" Text="Note that the license issue, which was also mentioned by OP, is a lot less clear. SE claims that all the site content [has already been effectively relicensed to CC 4.0](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333089/stack-exchange-and-stack-overflow-have-moved-to-cc-by-sa-4-0), including the posts here on MO, but many users claim that they [do not have the right](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/333094/243091) to relicense all existing content without the authors' consent." CreationDate="2019-10-12T10:47:35.213" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21157" PostId="4371" Score="13" Text="Yes, MO has had (witness blog posts from Izabella Laba, for instance) and I assume still has issues with being welcoming to [congressive mathematicians](http://digitaleditions.walsworthprintgroup.com/publication/?i=566588&amp;article_id=3302575&amp;view=articleBrowser&amp;ver=html5#{%22issue_id%22:566588,%22view%22:%22articleBrowser%22,%22article_id%22:%223302575%22}), let alone people from marginalised backgrounds." CreationDate="2019-10-13T20:13:29.687" UserId="147112" />
  <row Id="21158" PostId="4371" Score="1" Text="There is nontrivial overlap between mods and MO board members as far as I can tell, so I would expect them to use that hat. But, I'm feeling increasingly like I maybe should have let this whole issue lie until if and when it becomes more pressing." CreationDate="2019-10-13T20:23:14.567" UserId="147112" />
  <row Id="21161" PostId="4371" Score="3" Text="Regarding the discussions over at StackExchange, I think the MathOverflow community has avoided a lot of the angst, even if they are not immune from the underlying issues. There are issues to confront however, and I think your question provides an oblique but effective introduction to these.  Gerhard &quot;Hopefully Good Talk Will Result&quot; Paseman, 2019.10.13." CreationDate="2019-10-13T23:00:24.567" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21182" PostId="4371" Score="3" Text="The link to congressive mathematicians in the first comment is very worthwhile, imnsho. Thanx!" CreationDate="2019-10-16T11:20:11.050" UserId="101577" />
  <row Id="21166" PostId="4372" Score="7" Text="One would hope amicable solutions can be speedily arrived at in all cases. But this is not really an answer to the question, which is more after a more-or-less official answer about the relationship between SE Inc and MathOverflow, and if and how changes the former makes on the SE platform do or don't apply automatically to MO, given MO's special status." CreationDate="2019-10-14T10:39:16.483" UserId="147112" />
  <row Id="21167" PostId="4372" Score="4" Text="&quot;it is most likely that the writer would naturally use a pronoun that everyone involved was happy with&quot; - The CoC is not about being happy, it's about inclusiveness. For example the usage of &quot;she/he&quot; in https://mathoverflow.net/questions/92750/polynomials-for-addition-in-the-witt-vectors/93047#93047 excludes trans persons. To my understanding, in the specific case of the linked question, under the new CoC, one needs to use singular they in place of &quot;she/he&quot;." CreationDate="2019-10-14T11:22:46.440" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="21181" PostId="4372" Score="9" Text="The usage of she/he in that question is clearly meant to be inclusive... Also, it doesn't necessarily exclude transgender people, since many of those identify with a specific gender... It could be interpreted as excluding non-binary people, if one is so inclined, but perhaps we could salvage this with a topological interpretation? she---he is a continuum, not necessarily one-dimensional, in a larger dimensional manifold (humanity) that cannot be split continuously." CreationDate="2019-10-16T11:12:29.900" UserId="101577" />
  <row Id="21183" PostId="4372" Score="3" Text="@FrankaWaaldijk Interesting. We should write it as [she,he], then?" CreationDate="2019-10-16T13:11:29.973" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21185" PostId="4372" Score="7" Text="I’ll answer myself: no, this would imply she${}\le{}$he." CreationDate="2019-10-16T13:55:15.523" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21186" PostId="4372" Score="8" Text="This analysis is reasonable under the assumption that no one provokes a conflict intentionally (e.g., by changing their pronouns and asking for retroactive changes in existing posts, or declaring their pronouns in an ambiguous way, or otherwise fishing for reasons to be outraged). Unfortunately, this is far from guaranteed on an open forum. (This kind of behavior has happened on the political scene in Canada, for example: google Jessica/Jonathan Yaniv.) The question then becomes whether administration will take the side of the provocateur or that of the community." CreationDate="2019-10-16T18:21:17.317" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="21187" PostId="4372" Score="13" Text="I don't agree that there are very few MO posts in which one might want to use a third person pronoun. Looking through my own previous answers, I almost immediately found something of the form &quot;When Kunen proved..., his result was hailed as...&quot; I can easily imagine saying, &quot;In so-and-so's MO answer to a related question, she invokes such-and-such a theorem.&quot; It's true that sometimes these can be rewritten to avoid using a third-person pronoun, but my understanding is that choosing a different phrasing from what you would normally use, solely to avoid a pronoun, is a potential CoC violation." CreationDate="2019-10-16T20:35:38.163" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="21188" PostId="4372" Score="0" Text="@Frank'a Waaldijk: I think that in my example above (under the new CoC) Q6 of the official FAQ (https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334900/official-faq-on-gender-pronouns-and-code-of-conduct-changes) applies: Q6: What should I do if I don't know someone's pronouns? A: When in doubt, use gender-neutral language or refer to the user by name. -- In the example, the pronoun (she/he) is used in the question and doesn't address a particular user. Hence, no pronoun is known and by Q6 gender-neutral language should be used." CreationDate="2019-10-16T21:20:25.263" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="21191" PostId="4372" Score="4" Text="Neither the &quot;controversy&quot; nor the amendment to the CoC are due to such incidents actually occuring in reality; that's not what it's about. This is a power play, and MO *will* be affected by it." CreationDate="2019-10-20T22:12:47.050" UserId="3824" />
  <row Id="21192" PostId="4372" Score="5" Text="The CoC amendments are certainly about real incidents, mostly on sites like The Workplace, Interpersonal Skills, Mi Yodeya etc where there is obvious scope for such incidents to happen.  You have offered no argument at all for why MathOverflow will be affected." CreationDate="2019-10-21T05:30:02.067" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="21193" PostId="4372" Score="15" Text="@NeilStrickland &quot;Certainly&quot;? Did you ever come across such incidents in real life? I didn't. My reason to belief that MO will not be unaffected---despite the apolitical and asexual nature of mathematics---is that I see this as yet another example of an all-to familiar script that has crippled other communities in the past (e.g. atheists, linux kernel devs). The first step is always the introduction of a &quot;code of conduct&quot;, written in a way that turns perceived victimhood into a currency yielding the power to silence and deplatform others." CreationDate="2019-10-21T13:34:30.167" UserId="3824" />
  <row Id="21195" PostId="4372" Score="5" Text="@NicolasSchmidt I wasn't aware that there was a worldwide code of conduct for atheists. Seems kind of paradoxical. In any case nobody notified me." CreationDate="2019-10-22T15:07:11.777" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="21197" PostId="4372" Score="2" Text="@NajibIdrissi There isn't, nor did I claim there was. Look up &quot;New Atheism&quot; and &quot;Atheism+&quot; for context." CreationDate="2019-10-22T15:30:30.567" UserId="3824" />
  <row Id="21198" PostId="4372" Score="6" Text="@NicolasSchmidt I have heard no one disagree that the LKML had a lot of open abuse of a kind that has never been tolerated by community or moderators on MO.  They introduced a CoC, there was a brief burst of drama about it, then everything quickly calmed down.  The loudest complaints were about Linus Torvalds; he stepped away from the project for six weeks, but was hardly silenced or deplatformed.  A look at https://lwn.net/Articles/798505/ does not support the claim that the Linux kernel community was crippled." CreationDate="2019-10-22T15:40:06.537" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="21176" PostId="4373" Score="19" Text="Good idea, IMHO. Here's a virtual +1 as this account can't upvote." CreationDate="2019-10-15T05:44:27.797" UserId="147112" />
  <row Id="26758" PostId="4373" Score="1" Text="It has been &gt; 2 years. Where are the steps that MO has taken with respect to these three points you stated?" CreationDate="2022-01-11T18:17:40.060" UserId="50073" />
  <row Id="26759" PostId="4373" Score="3" Text="@user21820 I'll point out that at the time I wrote this answer, I was not a moderator, so this answer shouldn't be taken as &quot;official MO policy&quot;. As far as I'm aware, not much has been done along these lines, so thanks for the nudge." CreationDate="2022-01-11T18:21:54.973" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26760" PostId="4373" Score="0" Text="Oh oops I didn't realize your moderatorship started later! Thanks for responding, and I would be glad to see an update on this in the future. =)" CreationDate="2022-01-11T18:25:08.693" UserId="50073" />
  <row Id="21224" PostId="4375" Score="3" Text="I will add that Michael Albanese suggested collecting some comments about moving to [math.se] in this question: [Comment template for questions more appropriate for MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971). It is also worth mentioning is that what matters on Math.SE is [providing context](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9959/how-to-ask-a-good-question/9960#9960) to the question. One way is to show your own work, but there are other things which count as context, too." CreationDate="2019-10-31T23:47:05.617" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21225" PostId="4375" Score="0" Text="And perhaps it's worth mentioning that &quot;[How to ask a good question.](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9959) post&quot; on [math.meta.se] is also linked here: [My question was closed on MO because it is not research level. Where should I ask instead?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3760) This post is linked [in the help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic) on MO." CreationDate="2019-10-31T23:50:20.670" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21226" PostId="4375" Score="0" Text="Some older posts on this meta which seem related to your suggestion: [When we close questions and suggest MSE, should we link to their How to Ask?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4168) and [Are we making it too tempting/easy to send inappropriate posts to MSE?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4217)" CreationDate="2019-11-01T00:07:15.347" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21227" PostId="4375" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Apparently I am not good at searching meta.MO; I'm happy to count this as a duplicate of the Comment template question." CreationDate="2019-11-01T07:54:49.640" UserId="44191" />
  <row Id="21231" PostId="4376" Score="13" Text="Related [Celebrity usernames](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3065/); in particular [Todd Trimble's answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/3070/14094) there briefly addresses the case of using mathematician's names." CreationDate="2019-11-01T20:04:37.610" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21232" PostId="4376" Score="6" Text="... the given [user](https://mathoverflow.net/users/145223/tpc) has just changed to another username (&quot;TPC&quot;)." CreationDate="2019-11-01T20:07:59.437" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21233" PostId="4376" Score="21" Text="Don't do it. It is an abuse of the system. I have been impacted (not positively) by someone using my username, and others have been banned for persistent behaviour of a similar nature.  Gerhard &quot;Do Not Accept Any Substitutes&quot; Paseman, 2019.11.01." CreationDate="2019-11-01T22:31:38.820" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21240" PostId="4376" Score="2" Text="Thanks to those who provided answers or comments! I shall not pick one answer since both contribute interesting thoughts. I must admit I'm still unconfortable with the use of deceased people's name as a pseudonym, in particular mathematicians (including Gauss)." CreationDate="2019-11-02T14:01:18.227" UserId="469" />
  <row Id="26216" PostId="4376" Score="0" Text="Just for the record, another example of this phenomenon may be found [here](https://mathoverflow.net/a/398420). Someone posting under the pseudonym &quot;Claude Shannon&quot; described a result of Claude Shannon and said &quot;I proved this in 1948.&quot; Upon being told that readers found this &quot;tribute&quot; to Shannon to be in poor taste, the user edited the answer accordingly." CreationDate="2021-07-28T02:28:06.480" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="21237" PostId="4377" Score="6" Text="I support that it is wrong to use as username the real names of other person. I don't understand why a person would want to use the name of a famous person, in particular, a famous/well-known mathematician. I think it is wrong to use the name of famous mathematicians, contemporary or not, men or women." CreationDate="2019-11-02T08:32:57.337" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21238" PostId="4377" Score="8" Text="@user do you understand why a couple might want to name their child after some famous person for whom they have respect and admiration? People do that all the time. How different is taking a username of a famous person one respects and admires?" CreationDate="2019-11-02T11:24:46.843" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21239" PostId="4377" Score="1" Text="What I can say is that I respect him, @GerryMyerson . And for me the theories of this mathematician are inaccessible, but that is not the point" CreationDate="2019-11-02T11:28:48.163" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21241" PostId="4377" Score="0" Text="Now I know how you form the plural of &quot;François Dorais&quot;.  :-)" CreationDate="2019-11-02T14:43:52.097" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21242" PostId="4377" Score="7" Text="On a side note, the choice of those three names in the example may be considered as repeating a gender stereotype....  :)" CreationDate="2019-11-03T07:19:38.867" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="21250" PostId="4377" Score="0" Text="@PietroMajer, you mean the stereotype that all non-mathematicians are women? ;-)" CreationDate="2019-11-07T10:59:27.620" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="21251" PostId="4377" Score="5" Text=":) The stereotype that the natural way for a woman to became famous is dancing and singing, while the natural way for a man is doing science. My comment was semi-serious, because I'm 100% sure the OP had no intention of gender discrimination, and because I know sometimes these issues may be exaggerated. Yet these problems do exist, and I think we should always be careful, also in naives examples, because the assumptions they carry have some influence on the way people think." CreationDate="2019-11-07T11:36:25.263" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="21255" PostId="4377" Score="0" Text="I believe that there is risk about if some person read the answers/comments in the future maybe they will think that some people were exaggerated or we were overreacting here, it is not so at least in my case, because I knew the profile of the mentioned user in this MathOverflow in several of those posts, and comments of users reacting to this situation. I shut up by then, but from what I saw I'm not exaggerating." CreationDate="2019-11-09T13:10:35.253" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21678" PostId="4377" Score="0" Text="I think that if in future someone edit posts in this site with the name and surname and/or photo of a mathematician died few years ago, it should be considered for the moderators and this community of users as a problem @GerryMyerson" CreationDate="2020-03-12T08:24:54.750" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21243" PostId="4378" Score="4" Text="Why not just implement the simple rule that the user name should either be the real name or a pseudonym which can neither be confused with a real name nor is likely to offend anyone or to spark controversy?" CreationDate="2019-11-03T13:42:41.360" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21244" PostId="4378" Score="15" Text="@StefanKohl In the past the question of whether something is likely to spark controversy has itself caused much controversy." CreationDate="2019-11-03T14:27:46.983" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="21246" PostId="4378" Score="11" Text="I'm not in favor of introducing unnecessary rules. &quot;Homer Simpson&quot; *could* be confused with a real name, because there are real people with that name.  The same applies to &quot;John Doe&quot; or &quot;Smith&quot; or a host of other innocuous pseudonyms. Why burden ourselves with the job of policing every username that *could* be confused with a real name? That seems to create more problems than it solves." CreationDate="2019-11-03T20:37:51.550" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="21247" PostId="4378" Score="2" Text="@TimothyChow Having a rule does not mean it always needs to be enforced -- it just means that one can refer to it when there is need. -- So there would be exactly zero additional burden of 'policing', but just an additional means to resolve conflicts." CreationDate="2019-11-03T20:59:55.657" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21248" PostId="4378" Score="13" Text="@StefanKohl : I am still not in favor of laying down Code of Conduct rules if they are not necessary. Perhaps I am unduly influenced by the current uproar surrounding the recent StackExchange Code of Conduct changes, but I think that pre-emptively laying down poorly phrased rules of behavior sets the wrong tone for the site." CreationDate="2019-11-03T21:31:56.330" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="21249" PostId="4378" Score="3" Text="@WillSawin Clearly, this process can be iterated, and can also be defined for limit ordinals. I wonder what the smallest ordinal $\alpha$ is, such that the internet cannot generate controversy of type $\alpha$? :-)" CreationDate="2019-11-04T16:04:04.087" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="21281" PostId="4379" Score="1" Text="Also to avoid duplicate closure votes, a link to this meta discussion would be useful." CreationDate="2019-11-14T11:23:57.080" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21257" PostId="4381" Score="1" Text="On [meta.se] there is this question: [How can I log into two different accounts on two different sites now (July 2015)?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/261072). (Although I don't think the answer there tells you something you don't already now.) Maybe this Federico Poloni's question might also be useful: [Where and how is the authentication cookie stored with the new authentication system?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/263360)" CreationDate="2019-11-09T23:30:56.720" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21258" PostId="4381" Score="0" Text="@martinsleziak :  but I am certain (because I once fully understood all this) that the answer is very different depending on whether or not one of the sites is MathOverflow.  Which will tend to render any answer that doesn't specifically mention MO irrelevant." CreationDate="2019-11-10T00:32:28.693" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="21259" PostId="4381" Score="0" Text="Oh yes, I vaguely recall that sites which have a separate domain (such as [su] or [mathoverflow.se])  are treated differently: [Active login not recognized on Super User](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/262211) and other [posts linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/262211)." CreationDate="2019-11-10T01:53:04.207" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21260" PostId="4381" Score="0" Text="Aha!  I solved the problem.  As before, you have to do everything in the right order (log into one, out of one, into one, etc) and you have to delete the right cookies in the right order --- and as before, I finally hit on the right pattern by trial and error, and failed to keep track.  BUT:  For a long time, nothing worked.  The  key was, in the browser settings, to &quot;Block third party cookies&quot;.  After that, one of the twenty patterns I was trying worked, though before that none of them did." CreationDate="2019-11-10T02:35:47.630" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="21261" PostId="4381" Score="0" Text="Although --- blocking third party cookies should not be necessary, as I've never blocked them before, and everything has been working fine for a long time.  The present crisis occurred when I joined one additional stackexchange site and suddenly nothing worked anymore.  It's fixed now with third party cookies blocked, but I'd still sure like to know how I solved this problem before without recourse to that." CreationDate="2019-11-10T02:37:27.900" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="21262" PostId="4381" Score="1" Text="You can log on to Site2 on a different browser or in incognito mode on chrome (but then you'll have to login again each time)." CreationDate="2019-11-10T03:38:45.873" UserId="2290" />
  <row Id="21263" PostId="4381" Score="0" Text="@FelipeVoloch :  Yes,  that's precisely what I'm trying to avoid." CreationDate="2019-11-10T04:39:32.750" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="21264" PostId="4383" Score="1" Text="I came here specifically to ask the same question!" CreationDate="2019-11-13T20:34:25.757" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="21265" PostId="4383" Score="1" Text="It already did, didn’t it?" CreationDate="2019-11-13T20:48:16.523" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21266" PostId="4383" Score="4" Text="It seems to have already hit me. I must confess that for silly reasons I'd been looking forward to 20k, and aiming to get onto page 3 of the all-time leaderboard, but ... not like this." CreationDate="2019-11-13T21:23:08.017" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21267" PostId="4383" Score="1" Text="congratulations to Joseph O'Rourke, who gained a staggering 40.000 rep. points!" CreationDate="2019-11-13T21:24:57.583" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="21268" PostId="4383" Score="14" Text="(Anyone else kind of feel that answers **are** worth more than questions, when it comes to MO? Not that I would push very strongly for this, but the tone/claims in https://stackoverflow.blog/2019/11/13/were-rewarding-the-question-askers/ grate slightly)" CreationDate="2019-11-13T21:25:04.133" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21270" PostId="4383" Score="4" Text="@YemonChoi to my mind, I'm just getting back all the rep &quot;they&quot; took from me when the first change happened, and happy to be getting back the tools I lost at that time." CreationDate="2019-11-13T21:38:30.383" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21277" PostId="4383" Score="2" Text="@CarloBeenakker: That's because I've asked 640 questions. :-)" CreationDate="2019-11-14T00:34:51.413" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="21278" PostId="4383" Score="6" Text="This resolved the highest voted answer here: [Big list of feature requests and suggestions for a fantasy MO 3.0](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1053#1054). (Most likely unintentionally.)" CreationDate="2019-11-14T05:46:44.850" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21269" PostId="4384" Score="1" Text="OK, thanks. I imagined that processing time could have been a factor. But it also crossed my mind that MO's ... special relationship with SE could have also impacted things." CreationDate="2019-11-13T21:37:29.927" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21271" PostId="4384" Score="0" Text="And it just hit me! (on main, but not meta, it seems)" CreationDate="2019-11-13T21:40:02.263" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21272" PostId="4384" Score="0" Text="@David, there's no such thing as points on meta, right?" CreationDate="2019-11-13T22:19:34.037" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21273" PostId="4384" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson It takes a while to sync. Get upvoted or something to fix it." CreationDate="2019-11-13T22:20:00.010" UserId="114888" />
  <row Id="21274" PostId="4384" Score="0" Text="@wizz I don't know what you're talking about. I took David's comment to mean that he didn't see his numbers on meta increase, which puzzled me, because there aren't any numbers on meta, whether something is in sync or not. I don't know what there is to fix." CreationDate="2019-11-13T22:24:37.827" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21275" PostId="4384" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson The numbers are the same, but they're stored in separate databases, meaning one is copied to the other. Triggering another change should cause another copy." CreationDate="2019-11-13T22:26:11.253" UserId="114888" />
  <row Id="21276" PostId="4384" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson The little status bar on meta with my profile button had the old rep, while the analogous button on main had my new rep. It's now synced." CreationDate="2019-11-13T22:33:37.277" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21280" PostId="4384" Score="2" Text="Since the fact that it takes some time for the reputation shown on meta to sync with the reputation on the main site, I'll add that according to the help center it is synchronized hourly: https://mathoverflow.net/help/whats-meta See also: [Reputation is causing confusion on Meta Stack Exchange sites](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/89633#89634) and [How long is the time of the transfer of the reputation value from the main to the meta site?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6721)" CreationDate="2019-11-14T05:53:19.973" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21288" PostId="4386" Score="28" Text="Since MO originated from SE1.0 software, it used to be 10 points for questions (and also -1 for downvoting questions). When MO joined SE2.0 it was changed back. So if anything, we're not changing as much as going back. And if you read the announcement, that is also how SE views this change." CreationDate="2019-11-15T22:04:44.547" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="21290" PostId="4386" Score="28" Text="If I remember right, lots of people wanted MO to opt out of the switch to +5 in the first place." CreationDate="2019-11-16T01:40:21.553" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="21291" PostId="4386" Score="14" Text="In my opinion, questions and answers are basically of equal importance: There will be no answers without questions and without a prospect for an answer or helpful information, there would be no questions. I welcome the switch back to 10 points for questions." CreationDate="2019-11-16T08:42:14.573" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="21295" PostId="4386" Score="1" Text="Adding the tag feature-request, because we need input from the SE team to answer the first part of this question, and (as far as I understand) they actively track only meta questions tagged feature-request or bug, not those tagged discussion." CreationDate="2019-11-17T22:11:10.177" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21304" PostId="4386" Score="6" Text="@FedericoPoloni For what is worth (and I do realize this is not an authoritative answer) the possibility of reverting this change are essentially zero (and in my personal opinion I consider it a good thing: the reverse change was essentially a failed policy and there's no reason to keep legacy conventions forever just because people got used to them)." CreationDate="2019-11-19T06:52:48.170" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="21334" PostId="4386" Score="1" Text="I actually don't think it makes much difference either way." CreationDate="2019-11-28T22:39:15.560" UserId="9417" />
  <row Id="21292" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="Here is a link to a post on [meta.se] (which I [already mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2019/11/16)) that is - to some extent - related to the issue that the change was retroactive: [Today's change has retroactively changed the meaning of our past votes. Should we be able to change them?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/338155) (Maybe also: [What to do concretely about the new “Every question asker gets more reputation retroactively, no questions asked” (pun not intended)](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/338135).)" CreationDate="2019-11-17T10:26:11.043" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21293" PostId="4389" Score="6" Text="Regarding the issue that community should have been consulted - see: [New Reputation Calculation - was the community asked?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/338113) Regarding the question whether the mods were notified - see the [response from Todd Trimble](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/52552859#52552859) and the [clarification added by Denis Nardin](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/52558612#52558612) in chat." CreationDate="2019-11-17T10:27:59.113" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21296" PostId="4389" Score="14" Text="I usually take games very seriously, but MO is one where I think it’s a terrible idea to take the game seriously.  We should be taking our job as professional mathematicians seriously, and that means not treating MO purely as a video game." CreationDate="2019-11-19T02:46:51.407" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="21306" PostId="4389" Score="8" Text="Dear Tony, it was also implemented retroactively when MO moved from +10 to questions to +5 to questions some years ago (6?7?)" CreationDate="2019-11-19T10:40:20.243" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="21307" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai It was in June 2013: [Has there been a recalculation of reputation?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/11) and [How did I lose all my reputation points?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/557) A side-effect of MO joining the Stack Exchange network." CreationDate="2019-11-19T18:13:10.810" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21339" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="@NoahSnyder I edited my answer to better convey what I meant." CreationDate="2019-12-02T15:10:36.117" UserId="2233" />
  <row Id="21340" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="@GilKalai Hi Gil!  Yes, I was aware of that, and was against the retroactive change back then too.  Congratulations on getting your points back though!" CreationDate="2019-12-02T15:12:10.513" UserId="2233" />
  <row Id="21309" PostId="4391" Score="23" Text="I think this might vary between people. I got a little boost, but nothing to write home about, and indeed for me answering questions is much, much easier than asking them." CreationDate="2019-11-19T18:58:09.113" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="21310" PostId="4393" Score="5" Text="&quot;just a strange part of the outside world that occasionally appears out of nowhere to answer a question or to voice an opinion.&quot; I'm stealing this for the inscription on my tombstone, when/as/if the time comes." CreationDate="2019-11-21T04:22:56.253" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21317" PostId="4393" Score="1" Text="My opinion is that disprove a well-known conjecture is a very good achievement. Maybe an idea is that MathOverflow had a periodic publication, and that the best notes in posts from users (typically professors, or young PhD students) were published in a physical journal providing the citation as was showed in the other answer of this post on Meta. These could be expansions or anoted remarks about these posts." CreationDate="2019-11-21T18:58:00.690" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="22410" PostId="4393" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson, [if](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4351/how-to-cite-comment-by-unknown-user-disproving-erdős-conjecture#comment21310_4393)?" CreationDate="2020-07-07T11:50:02.750" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21311" PostId="4394" Score="10" Text="if you downvote an answer 1 rep.point is subtracted from your own score; and if your answer is accepted you gain 15 points, so there is no parity conservation." CreationDate="2019-11-21T09:24:15.473" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="21312" PostId="4394" Score="0" Text="@CarloBeenakker I guess that if you expand your comment a bit (and perhaps add a link to some FAQ posts listing all possible ways to gain/lose reputation such as &quot;[How does “Reputation” work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/7237)&quot;) this would be perfectly acceptable answer. (So maybe you could post it as such.)" CreationDate="2019-11-21T11:12:35.197" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21313" PostId="4394" Score="5" Text="Since every user starts with +1 reputation, if only possible reputation changes were by an even number, you would expect reputation to be always odd.  Of course, users with association bonus start at 101, but that's the same parity. (Maybe it's odd to start at 1 reputation point.)" CreationDate="2019-11-21T11:14:10.317" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21318" PostId="4394" Score="1" Text="@CarloBeenakker Thanks - that's the part I forgot about!" CreationDate="2019-11-22T01:16:44.357" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="21319" PostId="4396" Score="2" Text="If someone puts up a 50-point bounty, and fails to award it to anyone, the software awards half of it to someone, so that's another way to get an odd increase, right?" CreationDate="2019-11-22T09:05:38.203" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21320" PostId="4396" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Yes, that's entirely correct - and this is mentioned in the third bullet point of the [current revision](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4396/4) (and also of the [original revision](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4396/1)). (And thanks for correcting the typo in my post.)" CreationDate="2019-11-22T09:09:00.923" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21321" PostId="4396" Score="1" Text="Sorry, don't know how I missed that. But shouldn't it say, &quot;the reputation change *may be* odd&quot;? If the bounty offered is 100, the auto-award is 50." CreationDate="2019-11-22T09:10:49.703" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21322" PostId="4396" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson Again, what you're saying is perfectly correct. (And it's a bit embarrassing that I have not noticed that when writing the answer.) I have rephrased the bullet point concerning auto-awarded bounties." CreationDate="2019-11-22T09:14:11.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21324" PostId="4397" Score="3" Text="It is not clear to me whether you are advocating more points for the poster who accepts an answer, or for the poster whose answer is accepted (or both?)." CreationDate="2019-11-23T21:26:03.760" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21325" PostId="4397" Score="3" Text="Right, sorry for the ambiguous post. I argue for more points for the poster who wrote the accepted answer. Tried to make it more clear with an edit." CreationDate="2019-11-24T20:22:03.197" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="21327" PostId="4399" Score="3" Text="[meta.se]: [Why do I need 50 reputation to comment? What can I do instead?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/214173) (Even the spam in posts is removed on MO slower than on sites with larger userbase. New comments are more difficult to spot, so removing the limit to comment would very likely lead to more spam.) I will add a reminder about the way to deal with spam in posts: [What should I do when I see a spam post on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4259)" CreationDate="2019-11-28T06:46:31.310" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21328" PostId="4399" Score="1" Text="New comments being more difficult to spot could be fixed with a software patch, allowing viewing the most recent comments." CreationDate="2019-11-28T08:24:16.593" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="21329" PostId="4399" Score="1" Text="I highly doubt that it would help that much. Here is example from today - [a spam post](https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/211490) for which it took more than 30 minutes on the site before it got removed. If the MO users are inactive in dealing with spam in posts (either they don't care or they simply do not know how to deal with spam posts), it's overly optimistic to think that they will actively be checking also comments for spam." CreationDate="2019-11-28T08:30:16.927" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21330" PostId="4399" Score="1" Text="BTW it seems that various users have created some ways of getting to recent comments (probably from the API). For example, you can get the most recent comments for a particular site here: https://charcoal-se.org/blaze/ (Which I found from an answer here: [Is it possible to view all recent comments?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/272787)) And it seems that there are also various chatbots that collect comments as they appear on a site, like [this one](https://chat.stackexchange.com/users/433480/meta-stalker?tab=recent)." CreationDate="2019-11-28T08:38:31.503" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21331" PostId="4399" Score="1" Text="If a spam post stays around for 30 minutes that doesn't seem so terrible.  It probably was gone too quickly to even get crawled by search engines.  Staying around for days would be bad.  I will defer to you about this stuff though.  I'm not a real MO'er, just kind of a hanger-on." CreationDate="2019-11-28T09:34:11.817" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="21332" PostId="4399" Score="0" Text="I cannot consider myself to be &quot;real MO'er&quot; for whatever reasonable interpretation of the word. Anyway, I still try to help, for example by removing spam posts when I see them. And the post in the first comment explains some experience with this on other sites in the network. In any case, if we want to continue this discussion in some way, [let's do so in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2019/11/28). (We have digressed from the original topic anyway.)" CreationDate="2019-11-28T11:26:27.657" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21335" PostId="4400" Score="2" Text="I wouldn't say a question contains an answer, so much as it points to or indicates one or more answers.  I think a good question promotes understanding as well if not better than a good answer.  Gerhard &quot;One Reason Why I'm Here&quot; Paseman, 2019.12.01." CreationDate="2019-12-01T16:28:57.213" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21336" PostId="4400" Score="1" Text="Good questions can be important and useful. I still maintain that the act of **asking interesting questions** is cheaper than the work of **providing decent answers** and indeed there are questions asked on MO which do not actually display sufficient thought or depth" CreationDate="2019-12-01T16:44:11.487" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21341" PostId="4400" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman thank you very much  for your comment. I  agree  to some extent with your modification." CreationDate="2019-12-02T23:24:16.850" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="21342" PostId="4400" Score="0" Text="@Gerhardpaseman  yes I should be more careful so I edit it by adding the word &quot;potential&quot; answer. Thanks again for your interesting comment." CreationDate="2019-12-02T23:40:47.010" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="21343" PostId="4401" Score="22" Text="I would just go ahead and post on MO; since you tried MSE first, without success, this seems the obvious next step. I do notice you received quite some feedback on MSE. You will want to update the question to reflect that feedback, rather than just copying the question from MSE to MO." CreationDate="2019-12-03T10:46:46.903" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="21344" PostId="4401" Score="19" Text="And if you post to MO, be sure to include a link to the m.se post in your MO post, and a link to the MO post in the m.se post." CreationDate="2019-12-03T11:10:37.913" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21353" PostId="4401" Score="6" Text="It may not be well received; that's no excuse for not posting a good question like this one. Background of poster should not matter, but writing should be clear. For the first attempt, err on the side of adding less: just enough for a general reader to understand the question. Link to here and to the other forum as others suggest. You may get better answers here on MathOverflow, but all you need is to find an interested person on some forum.  Gerhard &quot;Always Write For The Readers&quot; Paseman, 2019.12.03." CreationDate="2019-12-03T21:27:11.077" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21357" PostId="4401" Score="1" Text="It’s a perfectly good question, and you’ll almost surely get much better answers on MO." CreationDate="2019-12-04T13:45:33.050" UserId="8217" />
  <row Id="21358" PostId="4402" Score="2" Text="And just to close the loop: They provided a positive answer." CreationDate="2019-12-05T00:26:07.380" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="21345" PostId="4403" Score="0" Text="You might review the post, as some part of the problem is open, and your excerpt does not reflect that.  Gerhard &quot;Let's Not Do False Advertising&quot; Paseman, 2019.12.03." CreationDate="2019-12-03T17:29:10.853" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21346" PostId="4403" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman : What I've written here looks correct to me.  I intentionally omitted the extra open problem that Oscar Cunningham introduced, as a potential road to proving the main open problem that was ultimately not used by Salo and Törmä. Do you see something wrong?" CreationDate="2019-12-03T18:37:49.827" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="21347" PostId="4403" Score="0" Text="Yes, but it is probably my misunderstanding (or misperception) of the problem.  If you exercised your customary due diligence, then I don't think you need to change it.  My impression was that they (the authors of the paper) had only solved a decision problem of whether a finite configuration had a finite predecessor, not the decision problem of whether it had a predecessor.  Gerhard &quot;Maybe I'm Mixing Up Quantifiers?&quot; Paseman, 2019.12.03." CreationDate="2019-12-03T18:52:36.737" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21348" PostId="4403" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman : Let C1 = &quot;there exists an algorithm for deciding whether a given pattern with finitely many live cells is a Garden of Eden&quot; and let C2 = &quot;there is no non-Garden-of-Eden with finitely many live cells all of whose predecessors have infinitely many live cells.&quot; C1 is the main question of interest, which is now proved. Cunningham pointed out that C2 implies C1, but Salo and Törmä's proof of C1 did not go by way of C2, which remains open." CreationDate="2019-12-03T19:00:54.727" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="21349" PostId="4403" Score="0" Text="Ah. For the careful reader, there may be no need to mention C2. For the casual reader (which seems to be me more often lately, but might also be students reading your post), your comment about C2 adds much to understanding.  I leave it to you whether to include the comment material in the post above. I strongly recommend leaving your comment for future readers. Gerhard &quot;Learns Much From Reading Comments&quot; Paseman, 2019.12.03." CreationDate="2019-12-03T19:14:23.427" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21354" PostId="4404" Score="0" Text="Thanks I'm still slightly concerned about how much detail to add because there is a lot to this and I don't want it to look like I didn't show effort. I'll keep all that in mind when typing it up. My only other concern is that a lot of questions are about modern math research (not so much questions on Pythagorean triples) like algebraic geometry and stuff like that" CreationDate="2019-12-03T21:29:01.357" UserId="148057" />
  <row Id="21355" PostId="4404" Score="3" Text="Good questions come from all over. if you link to previous efforts, that is better than adding too much. You can always add more at request of the audience.  I think if you keep the post brief, and add the suggested links, that will be a good start. You aren't expected to ace it on the first try, but don't ignore the feedback either.  Gerhard &quot;Good Questions Take Good Time&quot; Paseman, 2019.12.03." CreationDate="2019-12-03T21:33:57.783" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21374" PostId="4404" Score="1" Text="gerhard, for my first MO question, I had a good part of the background on separate web pages. Kevin Buzzard actually read some of that, and solved my question. My summary would be that a touch of luck is involved. My question was very long, but there was an expert curious enough to find out the whole thing. In the right circumstance, material off site can be a helpful thing" CreationDate="2019-12-16T00:58:11.423" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="21360" PostId="4405" Score="4" Text="This is part of the “new post notices” thing: [New Post Notices are live network-wide](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/339700/new-post-notices-are-live-network-wide)." CreationDate="2019-12-12T09:36:02.850" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21361" PostId="4405" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @Emil I saw also Martin's explanation in the chat." CreationDate="2019-12-12T10:40:28.443" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21362" PostId="4405" Score="2" Text="Since the conversation in chat have been mentioned in the previous comment, I will also [add a link to that conversation](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/new-close-reasons)." CreationDate="2019-12-12T11:57:46.693" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21363" PostId="4405" Score="4" Text="Also, it seems that the &quot;on hold&quot; designation no longer exists.  It is called &quot;closed&quot; as in the (remote) past." CreationDate="2019-12-12T12:04:51.650" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="21364" PostId="4405" Score="13" Text="I think “unclear what you are asking” was much clearer(!) and actually no less conciliatory. More important: *who closed the question* apparently stopped being public information ([before](//web.archive.org/web/20191202024132/https://mathoverflow.net/questions/347067/origin-of-the-noun-mathematician)|[after](//webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_38rURaf6bIJ:https://mathoverflow.net/questions/347067/origin-of-the-noun-mathematician)). ***That’s bad.***" CreationDate="2019-12-12T16:54:27.200" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="21366" PostId="4405" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Could you please write it as an answer rather than a comment?" CreationDate="2019-12-12T18:49:25.880" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21367" PostId="4405" Score="5" Text="@FrancoisZiegler: The people who voted to close are visible if it's your question or if you have over 3K rep (i.e. have the power to vote to reopen).  In particular, I can see who voted to close on the question you linked.  Were you logged in?  It's not obvious to me why it's terrible for that information to be restricted to those groups.  (And I can see a small advantage: those of us who use our real names are less likely to be harassed, threatened, or killed by trolls who don't like that we closed a question.)" CreationDate="2019-12-13T17:52:00.137" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="21370" PostId="4405" Score="4" Text="@NoahSnyder Understood; I can see everything fine, but suspected the change and linked the “non logged-in” google cache because that phrase appeared: “(Viewable by the post author and users with the close/reopen votes privilege)”. To me that’s bad because those in power (any kind of power) should be accountable. (In the case at hand, I also find “This question ***is*** off-topic” way less conciliatory than “put on-hold ***as*** off-topic ***by*** a,b,c,x,y”.)" CreationDate="2019-12-13T18:18:38.900" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="21381" PostId="4405" Score="0" Text="@FrancoisZiegler I agree with you, but unfortunately the general idea behind SE is that the moderators' power is not accountable." CreationDate="2019-12-20T13:33:54.467" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21401" PostId="4405" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni MO $\ne$ SE ;)" CreationDate="2019-12-21T08:37:27.673" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="21402" PostId="4405" Score="0" Text="@FrancoisZiegler What do you mean by that? We must use the same platform, so if (for instance) recently deleted questions are very well hidden on SE, then the same must hold for MO. Unless we decide to leave the platform." CreationDate="2019-12-21T10:30:18.120" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21382" PostId="4406" Score="0" Text="The list of options is too restrictive. There must be an option &quot;other reasons&quot;, and I think we used to have it in the past." CreationDate="2019-12-21T01:42:59.880" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="21399" PostId="4406" Score="2" Text="@AlexandreEremenko It’s still there (Off-topic -&gt; Other)." CreationDate="2019-12-21T07:34:40.227" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21373" PostId="4408" Score="0" Text="Thanks very much. This seems to completely clear it up." CreationDate="2019-12-14T07:50:17.267" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="21378" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="If the question, though off-topic for MO, is still mathematics, maybe the general-mathematics tag would do." CreationDate="2019-12-18T05:43:44.993" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21376" PostId="4411" Score="0" Text="Here is a link to the post where some more details about ([tag:tag-removed]) can be found: ['Tag-removed' tags where they possibly shouldn't be](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/657). (It is also linked [in the tag-info](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/tag-removed/info).)" CreationDate="2019-12-17T22:51:00.143" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21380" PostId="4411" Score="0" Text="The fact that many deleted questions have this tag suggests that it's indeed used in this way. [Recently deleted questions with this tag](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1170442/recently-deleted-questions-in-a-specific-tag?tagname=tag-removed). (10k+ users can also see the actual questions from the links.) The tag (tag-removed) has [highest percentage of deleted questions](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1162648/percentage-of-deleted-question-per-tag?num=1000) (as mentioned [recently in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2019/12/6))." CreationDate="2019-12-20T12:26:59.837" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21419" PostId="4415" Score="1" Text="Regarding your recent edit, I have [mentioned this to Shog9](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4062/2018-a-year-in-moderation?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1#comment21417_4062)." CreationDate="2020-01-01T19:34:33.693" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21428" PostId="4415" Score="1" Text="I will add this concerning the paragraph [added in the edit](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4415/3): [How to contact a MathOverflow user?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3634) (The linked posts is about possible wasys to contacting a specific user.)" CreationDate="2020-01-05T07:06:26.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21437" PostId="4415" Score="1" Text="Here you go: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4422/2019-a-year-in-moderation (cc @MartinSleziak)" CreationDate="2020-01-07T21:28:41.560" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="24771" PostId="4415" Score="1" Text="How did that &quot;happy new 2020&quot; work out for everyone? (Yes, I know, hindsight is 20-20....)" CreationDate="2021-01-21T21:57:19.990" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="21421" PostId="4416" Score="2" Text="Since I am not expert enough to judge quality of this one, I say wait a couple days or more for an informed response on meta. Worst case scenario is that you post it next week on MathOverflow with a link to here, it gets closed for some unfathomable reason, and you did due diligence.  If you do post it, include about half or less of the math.stackexchange material below the question, and link to the other version.  If regulars want to see the other stuff on the MathOverflow version, they'll let you know. Gerhard &quot;Make Them Ask For It&quot; Paseman, 2020.01.02." CreationDate="2020-01-02T22:40:35.140" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21422" PostId="4416" Score="1" Text="When posting on MO do not forget that it is recommended that *all* copies/versions of the post should be linked to the other ones. See: [Cross posts to Math SE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2637#2638)." CreationDate="2020-01-03T00:54:24.197" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21433" PostId="4416" Score="0" Text="We had [a similar request](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4401/is-my-question-suitable-for-mo) recently here. Possibly a generic Q&amp;A would be useful, or possibly a single multiple-answer question where each answer would address a specific question?" CreationDate="2020-01-07T15:37:36.510" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21435" PostId="4416" Score="0" Text="@YCor In other site I used a [sandbox](https://worldbuilding.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7183/sandbox-for-proposed-questions), which is a single meta post where newer users post prospective questions and more experienced users sometimes browse by and leave feedback in comments; perhaps something like that could work for MathOverflow." CreationDate="2020-01-07T17:44:16.607" UserId="115044" />
  <row Id="21424" PostId="4417" Score="10" Text="I think your rewrite of the question is an interesting experiment, and I'm glad you tried it.  However I see it as fraught with peril, primarily in that you are reinterpreting (from your position of experience) something which may be as basic as the Jacobian in multi variable analysis (and given our presumption on the level of understanding of the poster, probably is no more than that).  Asking your own version is OK, but teaching the poster how to improve the question is better, and I think your experiment will not help with the latter.  Gerhard &quot;But Maybe I Am Incorrect&quot; Paseman, 2020.01.03." CreationDate="2020-01-03T17:30:49.743" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21431" PostId="4417" Score="8" Text="Related: [What shall we do with stone soup?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1046)." CreationDate="2020-01-05T23:46:42.387" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21467" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="Just a comment: I think you might be innovating disruptively with your usage of the word [buzzword](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/buzzword). Technical terms such as &quot;linear programming&quot; are not buzzwords if used with their correct meaning." CreationDate="2020-01-10T01:47:23.460" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="21423" PostId="4418" Score="3" Text="I actually think providing links to such basic materials should be part of the mission.  However, we are still undergoing this experiment in crowdsourcing research progress, and we have something going here; diluting that with anything more than links sounds too risky.  Gerhard &quot;It's Already A Balancing Act&quot; Paseman, 2020.01.03." CreationDate="2020-01-03T17:15:50.780" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21460" PostId="4418" Score="0" Text="Just curious: Is there any specific reason why you leave a somewhat weird signature of the form *Gerhard &quot;X&quot; DATE* in almost every answer and comment of yours? I found it funny initially, but it gets kind of annoying/distracting after a while. Not that this should discourage you." CreationDate="2020-01-09T16:56:26.590" UserId="136074" />
  <row Id="21461" PostId="4418" Score="2" Text="@S.D. There are several reasons.  Some of them date back to when the indexing scheme on the platform was more limited. I could use a web text search to help me find things.  I could also use them as private embedded tags.  Although you are not the first person to ask about it, or tell me that it is bothersome, you are the second to tell me in a way that resembles constructive feedback.  If you care to correspond about this further, I encourage you to look up my email.  Gerhard &quot;Often Responds To Positive Feedback&quot; , 2020.01.09." CreationDate="2020-01-09T18:32:06.933" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21425" PostId="4420" Score="7" Text="If the questioner lacks skills in undergraduate math, it’s fair for an expert who is contacted to say “thanks; some of my work may have similar themes, but the presentation in this question doesn’t appeal to me.” So rather than refer the questioner to the expert, I’d put the burden on the questioner: to find a simpler related problem for which they can find a solution, and then repose the research question in parallel with the simpler case." CreationDate="2020-01-04T16:34:06.880" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="21440" PostId="4422" Score="4" Text="Thank you for this." CreationDate="2020-01-08T04:22:02.693" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="21446" PostId="4422" Score="1" Text="Thanks @Shog9! Technical question: how are multiplicities counted here? For instance, if the same question gets closed, flagged or merged twice, or the same user suspended twice, is it counted as 2 separate events or 1?" CreationDate="2020-01-08T13:16:41.363" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21454" PostId="4422" Score="0" Text="2, @federico - counts actions" CreationDate="2020-01-08T20:52:26.760" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="21459" PostId="4422" Score="5" Text="Interesting.  Questions closed ~ 3000, questions  re-opened ~ 30.  About 1 percent.  And: posts deleted ~ 8000, post undeleted ~ 700.  About 9 percent." CreationDate="2020-01-09T14:31:18.893" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="21480" PostId="4422" Score="4" Text="@GeraldEdgar A sizable number of posts undeleted might be by the OP who first deleted because something was wrong, then fixed the problem, then undeleted. This tends to happen much less for questions." CreationDate="2020-01-11T02:55:55.140" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21481" PostId="4422" Score="3" Text="@Todd's guess is pretty plausible; looking at the breakdown of deletion reasons over on SO, [authors are the biggest single group of deletionists](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/296608/what-posts-get-deleted-and-why) - that's likely true here as well." CreationDate="2020-01-11T03:11:51.003" UserId="35285" />
  <row Id="21486" PostId="4422" Score="8" Text="@Shog9 I'm very sad to see you're no longer with SE, Shog9. Best wishes for your future." CreationDate="2020-01-14T15:12:22.107" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21442" PostId="4423" Score="6" Text="In principle you may be right, but the particular question and answer (on Stanley's problems) seem like excellent contributions to me." CreationDate="2020-01-08T06:20:03.773" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="21445" PostId="4423" Score="0" Text="Perhaps the tag ([meta-tag:on-topic]) (which has (allowed-questions) [as a synonym](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/on-topic/synonyms)) would be suitable for this question?  (Or maybe ([meta-tag:scope]) - I am not exactly sure what is the difference between the two tags.)" CreationDate="2020-01-08T10:44:46.907" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21449" PostId="4423" Score="2" Text="A somewhat similar example: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/265493/thurstons-24-questions-all-settled." CreationDate="2020-01-08T17:51:24.830" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="21482" PostId="4423" Score="1" Text="This is only tangential, but since you mentioned LaTeX editors as one example, I will point out that there is also the [tex.se] site. See also: [Currently, is it possible to have relevant question under the latex tag](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3201)." CreationDate="2020-01-11T12:13:13.207" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21444" PostId="4424" Score="1" Text="Perhaps also the tag ([meta-tag:tags]) would be suitable for this question? (Personally I do not think that adding that tag would do any harm, but I'll leave the decision on this to the OP and other users.)" CreationDate="2020-01-08T10:41:41.793" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21447" PostId="4424" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I think your tag suggestions are good and not likely to be polemical, so I'd suggest you directly edit (in the unlikely case OP doesn't like it, OP can revert anyway)." CreationDate="2020-01-08T17:09:59.233" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21448" PostId="4424" Score="1" Text="I think it's a good suggestion. Next one should choose the common name. I think &quot;arithmetic-dynamics&quot; would exclude algebraic dynamics that are not of arithmetic flavour. So I'd suggest *algebraic-arithmetic-dynamics*, or just *algebraic-dynamics*, with tag info saying explicitly that both algebraic dynamics and arithmetic dynamics are concerned." CreationDate="2020-01-08T17:13:10.613" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21484" PostId="4424" Score="0" Text="@YCor: Good points. That said, arithmetic dynamics might be the more common term catch-all term these days. In any case, there doesn't seem to be as clear a split in practice as there is between say algebraic geometry and arithmetic geometry. Of course, if I'm wrong about this I'd welcome clarification from the experts." CreationDate="2020-01-13T18:17:51.007" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="21485" PostId="4424" Score="0" Text="@JW I'm not sure the arithmetic side is broader. Actually, I see a lot of questions in complex dynamics that are about iterations of polynomial or rational functions. They belong on algebraic dynamics but it doesn't appear as a tag. Actually, the number of questions tagged algebraic-dynamics is ridiculously small compared to the number of questions pertaining to it (also maybe arithmetic-dynamics)." CreationDate="2020-01-13T20:32:48.583" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21487" PostId="4424" Score="1" Text="My 2 cents: The analogy is &quot;algebraic geometry&quot; is work over an algebraically closed base field, &quot;arithmetic geometry&quot; is work where the base field need not be algebraically closed, with an implication that the fact that the base field is not algebraically closed is intrinsic to the problem being studied. So to me, *arithmetic dynamics* has the connotation that the base field is not closed and the problems have to do with that fact. *Algebraic dynamics* suggests working over an algebraically closed field like $\mathbb C$ and studying dynamics of endomorphisms of algebraic varieties. ..." CreationDate="2020-01-14T17:47:25.837" UserId="11926" />
  <row Id="21488" PostId="4424" Score="1" Text="But it's all kind of amorphous. Part of the problem: there are now three fields interacting, *arithmetic* (number theory), *algebraic geometry*, and *dynamical systems*. The first two are algebraic in nature, but *algebra* is too broad, which is why  I prefer *arithmetic dynamics* to *algebraic dynamics*. The latter should be &quot;*algebraic geometry dynamics*&quot;, but that's more words than most people want to use. As a practical matter, the MSC category 37P is &quot;Arithmetic and non-Archimedean dynamical systems&quot;, which leads to *arithmetic dynamics* being used more than *algebraic dynamics*." CreationDate="2020-01-14T17:53:05.593" UserId="11926" />
  <row Id="21491" PostId="4424" Score="0" Text="@JoeSilverman I disagree. I think &quot;algebraic geometry&quot; in its modern sense (as notably formalized by Grothendieck) encompasses work over arbitrary fields, and arithmetic geometry is a subdomain of it, such as the use of algebraic geometry concepts in arithmetics, typically proving the Weil conjectures, and possibly by extension, concepts that emerged from such studies, where the context is no longer arithmetic in its traditional sense; still I view it as strictly contained in algebraic geometry (which doesn't mean arithmetic geometry is narrow, but that algebraic geometry is broad)." CreationDate="2020-01-15T02:04:36.807" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21450" PostId="4425" Score="4" Text="While such feature requests as you suggest would be welcome, it's very clear from past feature requests that the SO designers believe everything about sorting and notification is perfect, and will not consider any modifications." CreationDate="2020-01-08T18:00:50.917" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21451" PostId="4426" Score="1" Text="(Feel free to add better tags)" CreationDate="2020-01-08T19:21:13.487" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21452" PostId="4426" Score="2" Text="Some posts on [math.meta.se], but no great solutions there: [To whom am I replying?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/22528), [List earlier display names for an account](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4998). This is somewhat different, but still related: [Is it possible to know the name of a user with account deleted?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30738)" CreationDate="2020-01-08T20:12:54.547" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21453" PostId="4426" Score="3" Text="There are a few feature requests on [meta.se], but it does not seem likely that it's going to be implemented: [Make the “past names” list public info for 30 days after changing your name](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/116801), [Keep short history of user display names](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/28924)." CreationDate="2020-01-08T20:14:59.007" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21455" PostId="4426" Score="3" Text="This is hit or miss, but when people ping users in comment threads, the old name after the @ doesn't change. So if you are sufficiently determined, you can try scouring old comment threads." CreationDate="2020-01-09T01:30:10.060" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21456" PostId="4426" Score="0" Text="I wonder whether it would be useful to create a tag on meta called (usernames),(user-names), (display-names) or something similar. I have mentioned this before in chat both [in connection with this post](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/53161407#53161407) and also [some older posts](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/52404428#52404428)." CreationDate="2020-01-09T10:05:34.990" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21483" PostId="4426" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak There is also this status-declined meta.se request [Change all at-username references in comments when a user changes their name?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/31851/change-all-username-references-in-comments-when-a-user-changes-their-name) --- I haven't seen it among your links, but I may have missed it. :) In short, it would make a lot of sense to update at-notifications automatically when a username is changed, but SE decided not to do this for performance reasons." CreationDate="2020-01-12T09:15:09.107" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21457" PostId="4427" Score="4" Text="Thank you for taking the time to produce this answer.  I am very impressed." CreationDate="2020-01-09T12:01:41.057" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="21458" PostId="4427" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan Thanks, but I am not really the person to be praised for this - as I have said in the post, the solution with JavaScript/API was created by somebody else, I have just copied it from the Wayback Machine. (And made some tweaks to get it working.) I am pretty sure that many MO users have very good programming skills, maybe somebody will suggest some possible improvements or make their own version." CreationDate="2020-01-09T12:05:06.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21462" PostId="4427" Score="3" Text="There are some on this forum who craft quality content, using organization, clarity, appropriate level of detail, and focus on topic, with appropriate references.  There may be someone on MathOverflow or meta besides Joel Hamkins and Jose Brox who might surpass you in writing with all these elements, but I can't think of who they are. Thank you for making this site even more valuable.  Gerhard &quot;Terry Tao Refers To Himself&quot; Paseman, 2020.01.09." CreationDate="2020-01-09T18:44:13.477" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21463" PostId="4428" Score="3" Text="There are several things to consider. For example: Is this a kind of edit which helps users who use [screen readers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_reader)? Are those edits to recent posts or to old posts? Is it only a minor edit, or did the edit correct some other important problems with the post? Is the user bumping many old posts at the same time?" CreationDate="2020-01-10T01:08:19.277" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21464" PostId="4428" Score="1" Text="There are several related discussion on this meta - I'll mention a few, you can certainly find more: [What's our consensus on people resurrecting old questions just to edit formatting?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/169), [Minor edits, subject to review](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/192), [Editing titles to include $\mathfrak{LaTeX \; Math}$](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/591), [Do we have an unofficial quota on how many old questions one should bump for minor edits in a single day?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/599), [Editing etiquette](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2208)." CreationDate="2020-01-10T01:08:22.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21465" PostId="4428" Score="1" Text="Thanks fot your comments @MartinSleziak. He is noy helping with his minor editions, he is just transforming plain text to math mode. I have already negatively reviewed some of his edits, but for some reason some of his edits have been accepted." CreationDate="2020-01-10T01:17:24.607" UserId="109085" />
  <row Id="21466" PostId="4428" Score="2" Text="Since I was also criticized for being too active in editing, perhaps I could have also linked to my answer in that thread: [Restriction on Number of edits](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3860#3861). (Although in that thread mostly other topics are discussed, not LaTeX-ifying posts.) Since I have mentioned screen readers, here are two posts on [math.meta.se] related to the topic: [To what extent is Math.SE accessible to a blind user?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/28472) and [Is Mathjax accessible for people using screen readers?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/29770)" CreationDate="2020-01-10T01:26:53.227" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21468" PostId="4428" Score="1" Text="BTW I have edited into your post link to the [list of revisions](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/14435/revisions) of the linked question - to make it easier for others to see what was actually changed. If you prefer, you can use link [directly to the suggested edit](https://mathoverflow.net/review/suggested-edits/125340). (Although the link to the suggested edit is available in the revision history, too.)" CreationDate="2020-01-10T04:57:59.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21470" PostId="4428" Score="11" Text="This may be a distraction, but I note that the user being referred to has done of the things that drives me **up the wall** about a certain kind of MathJaxHappy edit: namely, to change something like Mod(T) in plain text to $Mod(T)$ when it should be $\operatorname{Mod}(T)$ (using \operatorname for semantic purposes and not just writing 'M' times 'o' times 'd'" CreationDate="2020-01-10T05:11:35.637" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21472" PostId="4428" Score="3" Text="Disclosure: I have negatively reviewed several suggested edits by this user. I would feel more kindly disposed if the user had first contributed some answers or some mathematical comments on this site" CreationDate="2020-01-10T05:14:45.800" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21473" PostId="4428" Score="2" Text="In the linked post's edit, what's converted in math mode is should indeed be in math mode. The main problem is indeed, as Yemon Choi mentions, that it's badly done and makes output worse at some places. (I also agree that I'm not sure such edits, if well done, are so opportune: better do them when the question is bumped to the front page.)" CreationDate="2020-01-10T05:20:11.753" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21474" PostId="4428" Score="0" Text="I [posted a comment](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/53178882#53178882) on this user's question to let them know about this thread meta. (Even if the discussion on meta typically tends to be about more general issues than about one specific user, I still consider making him aware of this thread useful.)" CreationDate="2020-01-10T05:56:48.137" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21475" PostId="4428" Score="2" Text="I took the liberty to fix the post in question. The original edit can be found in [the question history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/14435/revisions)." CreationDate="2020-01-10T06:21:36.467" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21476" PostId="4428" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi  I totally agree with you. By the way, in Logic, isn't it common to use &quot;plain text&quot; for some concepts (metaconcepts?)?" CreationDate="2020-01-10T11:07:38.577" UserId="109085" />
  <row Id="21477" PostId="4428" Score="2" Text="In the past, I have had some success by leaving a comment on a question to notify a user that 13 edits in the span of a few minutes is way excessive and it's better to do three or four a day. On other occasions, I have flagged a question for moderator attention and pointed out in the flag that a user was on an editing spree." CreationDate="2020-01-10T14:02:07.807" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21478" PostId="4428" Score="1" Text="@EFinat-S $T$ in the question is not a concept, it's a mathematical object." CreationDate="2020-01-10T17:46:07.753" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21479" PostId="4428" Score="0" Text="@YCor. Well, I'm not a native english speaker, and in spanish &quot;mathematical concept&quot; can be understood as &quot;mathematical object&quot; in the context of my question. My mistake." CreationDate="2020-01-10T22:01:11.997" UserId="109085" />
  <row Id="21490" PostId="4429" Score="3" Text="It's essentially a two plus page document that says that MathOverflow the organization is independent and owns the rights to the domain name.  It is not clear to me who &quot;owns&quot; the content of the forum, but the agreement gives the organization the right to move it off Stack exchange with notice. The forum, while hosted by Stack exchange, also enjoys some autonomy (compared to the other fora) In what is presented.  Gerhard &quot;Maybe Agreement Can Be Emailed&quot; Paseman, 2020.01.14." CreationDate="2020-01-15T02:02:36.273" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21492" PostId="4429" Score="4" Text="As a side note, it might be useful to have the *text* of the agreement here on meta - as opposed to the pdf file without OCR. Sometimes people quote parts of the agreement in posts on meta, they have to retype it manually. (This can sometimes lead to typos - that's how MathOvertlow got [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/4028/revisions) and [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/970/revisions).)" CreationDate="2020-01-15T03:38:01.650" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21493" PostId="4429" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman: the content on SE-related sites are always in some sort of CC license (though there have been some debate also about whether SE is allowed to unilaterally and retroactively demand license changes)." CreationDate="2020-01-15T22:02:34.897" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="21494" PostId="4429" Score="0" Text="@Willie, yes.  In my comment above, I was unclear about much, especially if MathOverflow could not just take the content from Stack Exchange, but also have Stack Exchange stop serving the content in some form. In any case, the agreement details have since been provided below.  At present I do not advocate leaving the Stack Exchange platform; those who do should research the alternatives.  Gerhard &quot;It's Right To Be Concerned&quot; Paseman, 2020.01.15." CreationDate="2020-01-15T22:21:28.813" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21495" PostId="4429" Score="4" Text="@GerhardPaseman: agreed, but I do think it would still be a good idea for the MO Organization to have a more concrete exit plan just in case. Not necessarily the details of hosting and where the site would land, but just a list of actions that would need to be accomplished in order for MO to be split off from the SE network." CreationDate="2020-01-16T14:05:01.543" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="21496" PostId="4431" Score="10" Text="I would expect the database to be in a form similar to the existing periodic data dumps at https://archive.org/details/stackexchange (not that I have any idea what those looks like inside). Concerning software, see https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/2267 . Importing the Stack Exchange data dumps can’t be that difficult, as witnessed by https://writing.codidact.com (which, however, apparently runs on some sort of temporary software)." CreationDate="2020-01-16T16:49:39.553" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21502" PostId="4431" Score="24" Text="[PhysicsOverflow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhysicsOverflow) has a setup that's reasonably close to MO. It runs on the [Question2Answer](https://www.question2answer.org/) software. It was in part set up a kind of exodus from physics.stackexchange" CreationDate="2020-01-18T08:11:42.040" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21512" PostId="4431" Score="14" Text="Maybe it's fixable with better CSS, but I find PhysicsOverflow's design to be incredibly ugly." CreationDate="2020-01-22T15:46:59.880" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="28672" PostId="4431" Score="3" Text="Codidact was born of a previous mass exodus from SE and has some experience with migrating data from SE to their software platform, QPixel." CreationDate="2023-06-06T07:28:32.217" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="21497" PostId="4434" Score="1" Text="I have added the tag ([meta-tag:on-topic]), since the question is basically asking whether one specific type of questions is no topic or not. [math.se] is mentioned in the question - but I wasn't really sure whether to add the ([meta-tag:math-stackexchange]) tag or not." CreationDate="2020-01-17T10:42:50.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21498" PostId="4434" Score="2" Text="It would probably depend on the type of difficulty you are encountering; side note: I would not say you &quot;doubt&quot; a result, but just that you request a clarification; the &quot;doubt&quot; suggests you think the result is wrong, which is something you would only want to state if you're really certain." CreationDate="2020-01-17T13:07:17.307" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="21500" PostId="4434" Score="0" Text="@Carlo Beenakker I mean I have questions in proof or other articles within the question, I didn't mean that I am thinking that result is wrong." CreationDate="2020-01-17T13:18:43.420" UserId="151209" />
  <row Id="21501" PostId="4434" Score="12" Text="@CarloBeenakker I think that some people often mean *question* when they say *doubt* - here is a related discussion at [math.meta.se]: [What exactly might non-native speakers mean by “doubt”?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3200)" CreationDate="2020-01-17T13:20:21.820" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21503" PostId="4434" Score="16" Text="This usage of &quot;doubt&quot; is common in Indian English. In fact, you can find discussion of this in https://english.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2020-01-18T12:52:49.497" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="21504" PostId="4434" Score="5" Text="@GeraldEdgar Perhaps you mean questions such as this one: [Can “doubt” sometimes mean “question”?](https://english.stackexchange.com/q/2429) (The other questions [linked to that one](https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/2429) seem related too.) Anyway, it seems that so far there were more comments about the linguistics and the formulation of the above post than about the actual question which is being asked. (I have to accept my share of the responsibility for that digression.)" CreationDate="2020-01-18T14:12:31.307" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21510" PostId="4434" Score="1" Text="In case of doubt about relevance to MO, I'd suggest to first post at MathSE, and post later here if you have no useful feedback. If you're confident enough that the question is research-level, you can also post directly on MO." CreationDate="2020-01-18T17:32:24.020" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21511" PostId="4434" Score="3" Text="I would say if it is a well-formulated problem and you are sure it does not follow directly from a textbook reference, then it is on-topic here." CreationDate="2020-01-18T18:31:41.767" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="21513" PostId="4434" Score="0" Text="In spanish, for example, the noun &quot;duda&quot; (doubt) is often used as a synonym for &quot;pregunta&quot; (question). I supose that the same happens in other languages." CreationDate="2020-01-22T23:55:37.533" UserId="109085" />
  <row Id="21528" PostId="4434" Score="0" Text="I was going to say, is Spanish the first language of the poster as you do not 'ask' doubts in English but you do in Spanish." CreationDate="2020-01-28T11:33:02.567" UserId="119114" />
  <row Id="21529" PostId="4434" Score="0" Text="@Tom You don´t ask doubts in Spanish either. Sometimes when you say (in spanish) &quot;I have a doubt&quot; you mean &quot;there is something I don´t understand&quot; or &quot;there is something I don´t know&quot;. Those instances of &quot;I have a doubt&quot; will almost certainly be followed by an actual question with the intention of resolving &quot;the doubt&quot;." CreationDate="2020-01-30T19:30:27.217" UserId="17836" />
  <row Id="21533" PostId="4434" Score="0" Text="I meant in the context of 'Si tienes alguna duda, preguntame', not literally 'to ask doubts', obviously you can't literally say 'preguntar dudas'." CreationDate="2020-01-30T22:14:25.690" UserId="119114" />
  <row Id="26215" PostId="4438" Score="1" Text="Is there any news on this?  I just tried to visit http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/918/request-for-discussion-how-much-tragedy-is-appropriate-for-mathoverflow , with no luck.  (As suggested [elsewhere](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4438/tea-archive-mathoverflow-tqft-net-seems-to-be-down#comment21602_4459), the [Internet Archive](https://web.archive.org/web/20150426081014/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/918/request-for-discussion-how-much-tragedy-is-appropriate-for-mathoverflow) can help, but it would still be nice to know if tea is simply gone.)" CreationDate="2021-07-27T17:45:28.510" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26217" PostId="4438" Score="1" Text="@LSpice This link works too (at the moment) as mentioned above: https://msleziak.com/mathoverflow/tea/discussion/918/request-for-discussion-how-much-tragedy-is-appropriate-for-mathoverflow/ I have [asked one of the moderators about this in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243?m=56600186#56600186). Based on the response I got there, I would not expect any change soon." CreationDate="2021-07-29T04:35:52.663" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28671" PostId="4438" Score="0" Text="Just to add some examples to the redirect mentioned in &quot;EDIT 2&quot;: &#xA;http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/918/request-for-discussion-how-much-tragedy-is-appropriate-for-mathoverflow redirects to http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/918/request-for-discussion-how-much-tragedy-is-appropriate-for-mathoverflow and &#xA;http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/965/oldest-joint-paper redirects to&#xA;http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/965/oldest-joint-paper - in both cases you land of a page which gives an error." CreationDate="2023-06-06T05:32:08.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21517" PostId="4439" Score="2" Text="I would also add that probably one should do their due diligence, by first contacting the authors to see if they can clarify the point." CreationDate="2020-01-26T17:08:16.077" UserId="3199" />
  <row Id="21520" PostId="4439" Score="21" Text="@PaceNielsen I don't agree with that.  Certainly, if someone has difficulty with one of my papers then I would prefer for them to ask on MathOverflow rather than contacting me by email.  That way, other people may answer the question before I need to.  Moreover, the answer will be publicly visible and searchable, which would not be the case if it was given in private communication." CreationDate="2020-01-26T20:37:21.877" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="21527" PostId="4439" Score="5" Text="As an author, I'm the one who has the primary obligation to explain my own work. Also, from my experience on MathOverflow, when people ask questions about papers they are not the type of questions that others find useful, nor do people get stuck at the same place very often. So generally I disagree with your assessment, and would want the person to not clutter the internet with highly technical specific questions about a paper that the author is willing to answer.  [Also, if the author does feel it is a confusing point, then they can post the answer to their website.]" CreationDate="2020-01-27T15:35:59.500" UserId="3199" />
  <row Id="21514" PostId="4440" Score="4" Text="Does MO have &quot;a stand&quot; on anything? It provides a collection of questions and answers, a question could be &quot;how to address the needs of neurodiverse students of mathematics&quot;, and an answer could be found, for example, [here](https://repository.lboro.ac.uk/articles/The_neurodiverse_mathematics_student/9372383)." CreationDate="2020-01-26T13:12:13.487" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="21515" PostId="4440" Score="6" Text="No, no stand. What do you have in mind? Most of the time we have no way of knowing who is &quot;neurotypical&quot; and who is not, and pretty much the only guideline in how we treat each another personally comes down to some variation of &quot;be nice&quot;." CreationDate="2020-01-26T13:37:34.187" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21516" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="Feel free to delete my account if you don't like my question. I figured out what the collective answer is. If you think you are better than, stand over and stand apart from the causes of out time the &quot;pronoun&quot; war indicates you aren't." CreationDate="2020-01-26T16:15:31.120" UserDisplayName="user37691" />
  <row Id="21518" PostId="4440" Score="7" Text="Daniel, with your last comment, I have no idea what you are talking about. Delete account? Pronoun war? Better than? Speaking as a parent with a neurodiverse child, I think you are jumping to conclusions (I put &quot;neurotypical&quot; in quotes because I'm not sure what that term even means, especially for mathematicians.)" CreationDate="2020-01-26T17:20:02.537" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21519" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="Sorry, the down votes are all I need to see. Best wishes to folks." CreationDate="2020-01-26T17:28:37.853" UserDisplayName="user37691" />
  <row Id="21524" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="I have deleted my profile." CreationDate="2020-01-26T23:53:47.220" UserDisplayName="user37691" />
  <row Id="21525" PostId="4440" Score="4" Text="@DanielGeisler I just looked at your comments below Gerhard's answer, particularly the second. If there are specific features that you want that have to do with web accessibility issues for those on the autistic spectrum, then you should make that clear. But I wish, instead of getting upset, you would engage. I had asked: what do you have in mind? I'm not picking up on what it is you want with your question." CreationDate="2020-01-27T03:15:13.197" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21526" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="I have voted to close this question. Thank you to the people who reached out to me. I don't belong here. I wish I was capable of being a gentleman, but I'm not. My issues with MO and the math profession are too deep to fix. I just wanted to know if even a conversation was possible without unleashing a down vote hell. I recommend autistic people not use MO or go into math." CreationDate="2020-01-27T05:44:10.877" UserDisplayName="user37691" />
  <row Id="21680" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="I think that how ended this post was sad, and from this thought (I didn't know/met to the OP) with all respect I would like to add a message with the intention that if the OP reads it in the future, that this person reconsider being a user of this site MathOverflow again. If my comment isn't suitable in this thread of comments, feel free to remove it." CreationDate="2020-03-12T21:32:53.250" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21521" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your reply. I purposely asked my question in a neutral manner. I certainly would have understood if the reply had been &quot;how could MO support neurodiversity when we don't know the particulars of our members.&quot; So I take the seven down votes and the move to close this question a strong support against neurodiversity." CreationDate="2020-01-26T20:37:30.997" UserDisplayName="user37691" />
  <row Id="21522" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="https://www.boia.org/blog/how-web-accessibility-affects-people-with-autism" CreationDate="2020-01-26T20:58:13.300" UserDisplayName="user37691" />
  <row Id="21523" PostId="4441" Score="5" Text="You are in charge of your own interpretation. Mine is that the question is not worded well enough to admit a useful answer, that people object more to the generality than to the issue.  In short, this is not a good question for MathOverflow Meta.  Gerhard &quot;Might Be Good Somewhere Else&quot; Paseman, 2020.01.26." CreationDate="2020-01-26T20:58:52.407" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21541" PostId="4442" Score="0" Text="The questions I have in mind range from algebraic geometry, where I sometimes feel that any question answerable by Proper Algebraic Geometers on here is automatically ruled &quot;more suitable for MSE&quot;, to stochastic calculus and topological groups; so if they are the work of a single user, that user would seem to be either expert in or opinionated on a rather broad range of topics." CreationDate="2020-02-03T15:40:38.980" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21542" PostId="4442" Score="2" Text="I am not sure whether this can be considered a partial answer to your question about safeguards, but there is a limit on the number of close votes a user can cast per day. According to [The Complete Rate-Limiting Guide](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/164899) ([current revision](https://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/164900/116)): &quot;50 close/reopen votes/day/user on Stack Overflow, Mathematics, Server Fault, Super User and Ask Ubuntu, 24 on others.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-02-03T15:58:45.157" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21543" PostId="4442" Score="2" Text="&quot;Yes, diamond moderators have access to a special timeline on posts which does list all close and reopen votes (and who cast them)...&quot; According to animuson's answer to this question: [Can moderators see the close/reopen _votes_ (and _not_ the reviews)?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/268203#268206) Hopefully some of the moderators will confirm whether it works as described there." CreationDate="2020-02-03T17:06:13.953" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21545" PostId="4442" Score="2" Text="Isn't the limit of 24 close votes per day absurdly high? I wouldn't want someone voting more than two or three times max per day to close questions." CreationDate="2020-02-05T18:12:09.923" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="21546" PostId="4442" Score="4" Text="There are probably five or more homework questions presented each day by people who have no idea about the scope of the forum. Gerhard &quot;24 Daily Sounds About Right&quot; Paseman, 2020.02.05." CreationDate="2020-02-06T02:53:45.063" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21600" PostId="4442" Score="0" Text="Yemon, do you know a working link for your thread http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1187/extending-from-a-plane-in-r3-again-and-again-and-again   ?" CreationDate="2020-02-25T22:14:44.440" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="21601" PostId="4442" Score="1" Text="@WillJagy No, I'm afraid that I'm as much in the dark as everyone else (I see you already commented on the meta.MO question regarding mathoverflow.tqft.net )" CreationDate="2020-02-25T23:11:51.220" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25182" PostId="4443" Score="0" Text="There having been a positive response, but no apparent activity on this post, perhaps it's worth posting this as a separate MMO question?" CreationDate="2021-03-10T18:20:32.493" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21547" PostId="4444" Score="1" Text="I think what you want is a carefully worded reference request.  I recommend indicating what work you have done, and if you used citation searches as well.  (If I find it, I will post a link to a similar kind of meta question.)  Probably better than references are names of researchers you can contact who might be interested in sharing progress with you.  Gerhard &quot;Ask For Help By Name&quot; Paseman, 2020.02.07." CreationDate="2020-02-08T00:59:51.443" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21548" PostId="4444" Score="2" Text="I often recommend the &quot;revise&quot; option , but in the present case, given that there was no negative feedback (downvotes/closure votes/ comments complaining that it's unclear), that the question was quite detailed, a revision would sound like a deletion of the original post + new post. Also I tend to generally like precise questions rather than only-reference-request, or open ended questions. Given all this I'd rather like the option of a new question." CreationDate="2020-02-08T02:13:06.517" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21550" PostId="4446" Score="2" Text="I'll just mention that there were some discussion related to manual deletions on MathOverflow: [Should we try to re-start manual deletions or is the situation fine anyway?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2232) and [Decluttering MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2781). +1 from me - since this seems like a reasonable thing to discuss." CreationDate="2020-02-08T14:20:33.903" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21552" PostId="4446" Score="5" Text="Sometimes keeping closed questions undeleted may discourage similar questions in the future.  An argument for neither reopen nor delete." CreationDate="2020-02-08T14:41:22.870" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="21620" PostId="4446" Score="0" Text="I don't see what's wrong with &quot;neither&quot;. There are several bad questions that have received good answers worth of archival." CreationDate="2020-02-28T19:04:49.480" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="21560" PostId="4447" Score="1" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/questions/88660/ring-of-a-spectral-space is currently open: was it closed when you wrote your original list?" CreationDate="2020-02-09T20:02:32.573" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21561" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi no, it was never closed. -- You can see this in the timeline, which is now linked to below the vote score." CreationDate="2020-02-09T20:11:19.763" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21563" PostId="4447" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi thank you! it seems to be a copying error (it's neither downvoted nor closed, nor any particular reason to include it here) – this list was manually picked among the list of 260 question tagged 'abstract-algebra'. The given item is now deleted from the above list – despite being copied here since yesterday it duly got no closing vote." CreationDate="2020-02-09T20:25:44.993" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21619" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="There is a good answer ato https://mathoverflow.net/questions/144341/does-this-solution-guarantee-deta-0-where-a-in-mr . Why are we voting for deletion??" CreationDate="2020-02-28T19:02:49.523" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="21621" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="@darijgrinberg I expanded Lev Borisov's comment, which gives the immediate solution to the exercise (it works without assuming that $A$ has the given special form). The answer seems to be a more computational way to obtain the result without using the adjugate matrix. Whether this should be closed/deleted is maybe questionable, but it's the whole point of voting." CreationDate="2020-02-28T19:40:12.853" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21622" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="@YCor: oops! You're right, the problem is trivial. I mistook it for a different problem, where the kind of induction in the answer is the best argument." CreationDate="2020-02-28T21:27:22.483" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="21623" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="I don't see a good point for deleting [this](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/204802/why-do-we-not-lose-any-generality-by-proving-it-only-for-finitely-generated-grou), though. Questions about understanding issues in research papers have been considered legitimate last time I checked, but even if they no longer are, the knowledge that has been generated shouldn't be destroyed." CreationDate="2020-02-28T21:29:36.437" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="21624" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="@Gro-Tsen: To avoid loss of content, you may want to repost your answer from https://mathoverflow.net/questions/127611/an-exercise-about-tor at https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1437800/ (which asks the first part of the question; the second can be a postscript)." CreationDate="2020-02-28T21:34:58.380" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="21567" PostId="4448" Score="1" Text="On my smartphone, posts with matrices sometimes appear as a single line before being rerendered correctly which can take several seconds for me.  This might be a browser dependent issue.  Gerhard &quot;So Do Some More Testing&quot; Paseman, 2020.02.11." CreationDate="2020-02-11T17:09:01.770" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21569" PostId="4448" Score="0" Text="Not only in large matrices, but also in multi-line displayed formulae. The problem seems to be intermittent (it occurs on some occasions  but not always). Triple slash is the way to force the (approximately) correct behavior (if it switches to working correctly, you just have an extra space in your formula, which screws up alignment a bit but still preserves readability)" CreationDate="2020-02-12T23:31:53.283" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="21589" PostId="4448" Score="0" Text="FWIW, some chat on the tag [meta-tag:markdown-preview] here: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2020/2/19" CreationDate="2020-02-24T01:50:52.987" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21572" PostId="4451" Score="6" Text="If you change the old answer, try to preserve the previous version so the comment makes sense.  At the very least,  acknowledge that your new version addresses the concerns of the questioners comment as well as the question.  Gerhard &quot;We Can Learn From History&quot; Paseman, 2020.02.17." CreationDate="2020-02-17T16:55:11.250" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21573" PostId="4451" Score="5" Text="&quot;Best practice&quot; according to SE philosophy is probably to edit the old answer; you could do this by having the old answer above a fold (type three dashes on a line after the old) and then start the new response on a line below the three dashes. Or, you could buck the philosophy and make a second post if you'd like; usually no one here at MO minds. In that case, if you don't want to receive &quot;credit&quot; for the quick and dirty answer, you could make it community wiki." CreationDate="2020-02-17T17:17:27.367" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21576" PostId="4451" Score="3" Text="I think replying to the comment that you completely rewrote the answer is enough without trying to preserve the previous answer if you think it's not worthwhile (one can always go into history of answers)." CreationDate="2020-02-17T17:51:28.630" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21585" PostId="4451" Score="0" Text="I thought @ToddTrimble's [advice](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4451/should-i-give-a-new-answer-or-change-the-old-one#comment21573_4451) was actually *contra* the general SE philosophy of having answers in their final form, but can't find documentation of that.  I did find this old MSE question, which seems to be essentially a duplicate:  https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/40318/best-practices-when-editing-your-own-answer ." CreationDate="2020-02-24T00:28:59.360" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21586" PostId="4451" Score="0" Text="@LSpice Whenever one attempts to add a second answer on top of an answer one has already given, a pop-up box asks whether you're sure you want to do this instead of editing the old one. I'm not sure where you're getting that general SE philosophy from -- it sounds like a discouragement from editing." CreationDate="2020-02-24T00:54:56.610" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21587" PostId="4451" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble, I don't mean no editing, I mean that (I think) the guideline is to have the answer after editing look like &quot;Statement X is true.&quot;, rather than &quot;Statement X is false.  EDIT:  Actually, it is true.&quot;  I can't find documentation for this guideline, so I might be wrong, but I thought it was the SE best practice (even though I don't like it, because it has the effect of invalidating comments)." CreationDate="2020-02-24T01:24:16.150" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21588" PostId="4451" Score="0" Text="@LSpice In that case, let me clarify by suggesting you should read my first comment in the light of my second comment. I don't think I was really suggesting anything pro or con this alleged SE guideline (and actually, I'm not seeing how my suggestion for this particular case would result in the rather-than scenario you described, but I think I've said enough on this for now)." CreationDate="2020-02-24T01:41:45.673" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21590" PostId="4454" Score="0" Text="Moreover, now the displayed equations that used to be line wrapped now display with a scroll bar :-/" CreationDate="2020-02-24T22:08:45.313" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21592" PostId="4454" Score="0" Text="Did you also omit the backticks around the last one? (I think that if you do so, then it works the same as the other ones.)" CreationDate="2020-02-25T04:40:33.643" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21593" PostId="4454" Score="0" Text="I wrote exactly as you would expect, no backticks, and the editing box was freaking out and wrapping onto new lines instead of adding spaces. Happy to be wrong, if you add an answer here, or edit the one I linked to." CreationDate="2020-02-25T04:45:50.500" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21594" PostId="4454" Score="0" Text="OK, now the displayed equations are back to normal. Weird." CreationDate="2020-02-25T04:46:40.847" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21591" PostId="4455" Score="2" Text="It may be possible that a moderator here can investigate independently and raise the priority level of this issue.  From your posting above, I am not seeing anything wrong with the approach you took.  Gerhard &quot;Unsure Of The Legal Issues&quot; Paseman, 2020.02.24." CreationDate="2020-02-24T23:26:18.733" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21597" PostId="4455" Score="1" Text="This answer mentions the same site: [Is it legal to copy Stack Overflow questions and answers?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/24611#310524)" CreationDate="2020-02-25T12:11:12.950" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21598" PostId="4455" Score="1" Text="I think the answer on this question may also answer yours: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/343404/send-a-follow-up-email-when-a-user-reports-that-some-stack-exchange-content-is-p ." CreationDate="2020-02-25T15:06:55.963" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21599" PostId="4455" Score="0" Text="Thank you all for the responses. (Forgive me that I'm not going to pin individually)" CreationDate="2020-02-25T15:18:23.743" UserId="100250" />
  <row Id="21603" PostId="4455" Score="2" Text="Just a tangential comment: it is not clear to me why any sane webmaster would want to rip off content like that, when it would have been sufficient to add one sentence in the footer to be legally in the clear." CreationDate="2020-02-26T12:24:36.817" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21595" PostId="4456" Score="1" Text="Feel free to rollback to the problematic version, but I think this might be what you were trying to get: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4456/2&#xA;I have removed everything before the problematic string and then selected it and pressed Ctrl+K. If I had to guess, maybe it's the bug described here - it might have caused that when adding spaces the editor also added newlines: [Code block with more than 81 characters adds a newline if preceded with spaces](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/328450)." CreationDate="2020-02-25T05:18:02.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21596" PostId="4456" Score="0" Text="@Martin I think that's it." CreationDate="2020-02-25T06:29:46.717" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21607" PostId="4457" Score="5" Text="I interpreted &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; as being a euphemism for &quot;there might be a question here, but what you wrote is spaghetti&quot;,  whereas &quot;too broad&quot; would be for a clear question that unfortunately requires a review paper to cover (eg, &quot;why are [common, widely studied maths objects] important?&quot;)" CreationDate="2020-02-27T00:50:21.363" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21608" PostId="4457" Score="0" Text="I'll try to find examples illustrating my point when they appear (I'd like to list recent questions recently closed for one of these reasons but it's beyond my skills)." CreationDate="2020-02-27T07:58:46.200" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21610" PostId="4457" Score="5" Text="It seems to me that one of the issues is that the old names &quot;unclear what you are asking&quot; and &quot;too broad&quot; were clearer than the new ones &quot;needs detail or clarity&quot; and &quot;needs more focus&quot;." CreationDate="2020-02-27T12:12:42.197" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21611" PostId="4457" Score="0" Text="I agree that the old names were better. Nevertheless, with old names too I already frequently hesitated between the two — of course &quot;too broad&quot; is the obvious choice in such prototypical cases as *&quot;What's the connection between geometry and algebra?&quot;*, but &quot;too broad&quot; can have a broader interpretation :)" CreationDate="2020-02-27T13:09:36.663" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21614" PostId="4457" Score="0" Text="This question should probably rather be on meta.stackexchange.com." CreationDate="2020-02-28T01:59:51.487" UserId="149514" />
  <row Id="21616" PostId="4457" Score="0" Text="@FabianRöling Possibly, but not by me. I'm only suggesting the merging on MO. I have no idea whether it would be a good idea on other sites (beyond MO I only participate a little to Math SE). On the other hand if the answer is: the closing reasons are common to all SE sites, you're right and then this post is pointless :(" CreationDate="2020-02-28T08:30:49.120" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21618" PostId="4457" Score="0" Text="I come from gamingSE and it's the same system there (and probably everywhere). I don't think sites can customise anything in the close menu except for up to 3 custom off-topic reasons. The old descriptions really were better and whenever I'm unsure which of the two to pick, I just think about the old wordings and it's usually clear again." CreationDate="2020-02-28T16:52:19.510" UserId="149514" />
  <row Id="21625" PostId="4457" Score="0" Text="@FabianRöling The question is not off-topic here though." CreationDate="2020-02-29T07:56:01.563" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21633" PostId="4457" Score="0" Text="As far as I can tell, the new posts notices indeed correspond to old close reason, i.e., &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; was changed to &quot;needs details or clarity&quot; and &quot;too broad&quot; to &quot;needs more focus&quot;, see: [Do the new top-level close reasons have the same scope as the old ones?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/340645) The announcement &quot;[New Post Notices are live network-wide](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/339700)&quot; also mentions tool for mods to edit the messages accompanying the close reasons: &quot;There are plans for releasing additional functions on the Close as Off Topic Reasons editor ..." CreationDate="2020-03-01T07:43:14.857" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21634" PostId="4457" Score="0" Text="... (currently available to site moderators) that will allow moderators to set these different messages for each Off-Topic reason.&quot; So when this tool is available, MathOverflow moderators could improve the description of each of the close reason, if the local community sees the need for that." CreationDate="2020-03-01T07:43:35.757" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21606" PostId="4458" Score="15" Text="glossary: SRE = Site Reliability Engineering; ETA = Estimate Time of Arrival" CreationDate="2020-02-26T21:12:40.083" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21602" PostId="4459" Score="0" Text="The specific thread that you linked seems to be available in the Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20190726171926/http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1187/extending-from-a-plane-in-r3-again-and-again-and-again/ and http://web.archive.org/web/20170201224732/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1187/extending-from-a-plane-in-r3-again-and-again-and-again/" CreationDate="2020-02-26T11:26:28.653" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21717" PostId="4459" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you, I did not notice this for about a month. The second one worked and I bookmarked it. I'll try the other one too. Also works, appears to wind up at the same place." CreationDate="2020-03-24T00:57:53.160" UserId="3324" />
  <row Id="21612" PostId="4460" Score="1" Text="This also affects some other sites: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344292/why-are-the-colors-of-visited-and-non-visited-links-on-academia-se-so-different" CreationDate="2020-02-27T17:50:33.723" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21613" PostId="4460" Score="0" Text="I *knew it*!!!!" CreationDate="2020-02-27T18:06:16.500" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="21615" PostId="4460" Score="2" Text="This is now reported as fixed; see https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/344301/147362." CreationDate="2020-02-28T03:02:15.520" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="21647" PostId="4460" Score="0" Text="Also, I don’t want to make a post about it, but hasn’t MathJax recently stopped displaying when pages [update](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0#Technologies) to announce [new activity](//i.stack.imgur.com/mqXUW.png) and you [click](//i.stack.imgur.com/TEL01.png)? Only after [reloading](//i.stack.imgur.com/v6edN.png) does the math display for me. (On up-to-date Firefox &amp; Safari, caches emptied, etc.)" CreationDate="2020-03-02T00:21:13.810" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="21648" PostId="4460" Score="0" Text="@FrancoisZiegler Something similar was reported on [math.meta.se]: [Mathjax stops rendering after clicking “An edit has been made to this post”](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30568). The question is marked ([meta-tag:status-review])." CreationDate="2020-03-02T05:47:45.057" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21649" PostId="4460" Score="0" Text="Oh. 15+ people confirming. Now for us I think it started far less than 6 months ago. Maybe that can help them pinpoint the change that caused this?" CreationDate="2020-03-02T07:38:50.473" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="21632" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="I note that you haven't enacted any of my suggestions for making the question more attractive to other users." CreationDate="2020-03-01T04:26:09.293" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21636" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="I don't know if you've read my comment adressed to you (in the Meta post now deleted), that I can not edit my question since it is deleted. When I thy to edit the post, this message is communicated &quot;This post has been deleted - no more edits are allowed.&quot;  Many thanks in any case @GerryMyerson and good weekend" CreationDate="2020-03-01T08:13:41.850" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21637" PostId="4463" Score="3" Text="@user142929 That seems some a bug which was also reported here: [“This post has been deleted - no more edits are allowed” when editing own Roomba'd question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/332201). (Some possible workarounds are mentioned there, but it would definitely be better if the bug was fixed.)" CreationDate="2020-03-01T08:25:26.327" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21638" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="Mnay thanks @MartinSleziak" CreationDate="2020-03-01T08:31:03.957" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21639" PostId="4463" Score="1" Text="Sorry, I missed your comment on https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4462/reasking-a-question-that-was-automatically-deleted-by-community-is-this-right-a (and why did you delete that question?)." CreationDate="2020-03-01T08:56:37.103" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21641" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="You do not have to apologize about you missed the comment. I' ve deleted my Meta post since I want to solve my problem: which is about of a question that I consider interesting and important was automatically deleted @GerryMyerson . I don't know if ask a post for a discussion in Meta of these sites is useful, let's say that I've lost part of my hope in the discussions of the Meta of these sites, and that the first thing is solve my problem." CreationDate="2020-03-01T09:12:04.087" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21643" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="Now it's undeleted, you should be able to edit your post." CreationDate="2020-03-01T17:01:13.393" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21645" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="Many thanks/Muchas gracias I've edited it while it was deleted, I can't make more substantial improvements following the professor's advices (see previous linked Meta, my previous recently deleted post in Meta) in this post, similar that those that I edited while it was deleted, but my purpose is to moderate/modulate myself posts following the advices, in particular I will try show my effort and more motivation in next posts @YCor . Sure that my post is interesting and after this stumbling block we can solve it" CreationDate="2020-03-01T18:34:41.580" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21663" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="If the question doesn't attract some upvotes and/or answers, presumably it will be auto-deleted again." CreationDate="2020-03-03T04:34:38.937" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21664" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="Many thanks for the information, someone upvote it, and I hope that some user do some attempt to solve it. My motivation is my feeling that can be an interesting post: I would not have insisted if the deleted post had been another of my posts (other unanswered post that maybe isn't interesting). Many thanks again to you and professors that vote undeleted the question @GerryMyerson" CreationDate="2020-03-03T11:12:09.143" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="22099" PostId="4466" Score="0" Text="… Why a math mode $2009$?" CreationDate="2020-05-03T14:47:56.913" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22104" PostId="4466" Score="1" Text="@LSpice On the Math SE site, it used to be an unusual text mode font was used which did not render numeric digits very well, so I got into the habit (and I've notice other people doing likewise) to use math mode around all numeric digits. However, I just checked on the math site to find that now (I'm not sure when it changed) but the font is different, so digits actually display quite well. Since that's also the case for here, I've removed the math mode around the 2009 in the answer." CreationDate="2020-05-03T20:24:25.877" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="22107" PostId="4466" Score="0" Text="Thanks for [explaining](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4465/failure-to-update-changed-username-on-edited-community-wiki-answer/4466#comment22104_4466)!" CreationDate="2020-05-03T23:39:19.963" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28355" PostId="4466" Score="1" Text="This behaviour occurred on a 2021 answer (also to a CW question).  I made an MMO post: [Why is the wrong username showing up after a user changes names?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5590/why-is-the-wrong-username-showing-up-after-a-user-changes-names)." CreationDate="2023-02-25T23:49:04.430" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21667" PostId="4467" Score="0" Text="I realized that. I suppose the question was deleted long time ago. My current question is indeed how to trace it." CreationDate="2020-03-04T20:04:33.723" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="21668" PostId="4467" Score="4" Text="You can always get a list of your own deleted posts (regardless of how old) by entering *deleted:1* into the search field. -- Deleted posts by other users are searchable only for moderators." CreationDate="2020-03-04T20:59:10.787" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21669" PostId="4467" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl thanks!" CreationDate="2020-03-04T21:19:01.973" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="21670" PostId="4467" Score="1" Text="Related: [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254) and [Recovering just for me my deleted question (or answer)](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2735)." CreationDate="2020-03-04T22:19:46.447" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21672" PostId="4467" Score="0" Text="Looking at your post in the &quot;[Requests for reopen and undelete votes for on-hold, closed, and deleted questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-and-undelete-votes-for-on-hold-closed-and-deleted-question/4468#4468)&quot; thread, I see that you find the question you've been looking for. Maybe you could post an answer explaining how you found it - that might be useful for other users with a similar problem." CreationDate="2020-03-09T08:10:07.093" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27619" PostId="4467" Score="0" Text="It is now easy to find the list of your own deleted questions through your profile page - this was added to the Stack Exchange software in January 2022. And 10k+ users can can also [search among their own deleted questions](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=deleted%3A1): Details are explained here (the answer was updated to reflect the new feature): [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254)" CreationDate="2022-08-28T11:15:02.210" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21673" PostId="4469" Score="2" Text="Likely it isn't, but as I've not been working for SE for a few years, there's nothing I can do. I suggest you open a new question about this bug - either here or on meta.stackexchange.com, so current employees can see it and respond to it." CreationDate="2020-03-10T11:17:00.740" UserId="35555" />
  <row Id="21674" PostId="4469" Score="0" Text="Interesting.  I wonder when that change happened.  I do not remember seeing it before.  And I think I used the citation helper just a few days ago." CreationDate="2020-03-10T14:23:22.737" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="21676" PostId="4469" Score="0" Text="A separate post is now here: [Icon for citation helper](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4470)." CreationDate="2020-03-12T07:44:06.770" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21679" PostId="4470" Score="0" Text="Yes, I also noticed that (although on math.SE) and was planning to make a post there." CreationDate="2020-03-12T15:17:25.667" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="21681" PostId="4470" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Consider carrying out your plan regardless. I suspect the overworked staff is likely to notice a bug report on meta.math.SE earlier than here." CreationDate="2020-03-13T09:37:51.710" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21682" PostId="4470" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila Perhaps posting on Mathematics Meta (and later adding the status-review tag) would be good way to test the new way of escalating issues: [Community and Moderator guidelines for escalating issues via new response process (March 2020)](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/345032)." CreationDate="2020-03-14T07:22:26.420" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21683" PostId="4470" Score="0" Text="@Martin: I didn't see this, thanks. Unfortunately, it might be a couple of days before I get to do that. But if you want to raise this on meta.MSE, I'll be happy to add the status-review tag there..." CreationDate="2020-03-14T11:07:42.657" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="21689" PostId="4470" Score="0" Text="A corresponding post on [math.meta.se]: [Button for citation helper in the editor](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31348)." CreationDate="2020-03-17T09:53:03.643" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21698" PostId="4470" Score="2" Text="Just an update, one of the StackOverlords has re-tagged the question on meta.MSE, which indicates we're on the radar for having this fixed." CreationDate="2020-03-19T12:08:42.400" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="21940" PostId="4470" Score="0" Text="And now is tagged [status-review] here, too, so the wheels are slooowly moving." CreationDate="2020-04-25T05:15:43.817" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22076" PostId="4470" Score="1" Text="And now it is tagged status-completed here, so I guess the wheels have finished moving." CreationDate="2020-05-01T05:22:52.903" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21677" PostId="4471" Score="6" Text="A similar feature request on [meta.se]: [Can I submit an edit for approval after earning 2k reputation?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/103270) Some of [the questions linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/103270) seem related, too." CreationDate="2020-03-12T07:49:42.543" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21715" PostId="4471" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, authors can easily rollback your edits, so they're not stuck with it if you make a change they don't like.  It's obviously not the same as what you suggest, but (I think?) the author isn't given the chance to decide on suggested edits either—that's up to reviewers to decide." CreationDate="2020-03-22T16:26:16.273" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21684" PostId="4472" Score="3" Text="Talk to the PhysiscOverflow people. I think Dilation is a username associated with that.  Gerhard &quot;They May Still Be Operating&quot; Paseman, 2020.03.14." CreationDate="2020-03-14T22:46:51.047" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21685" PostId="4472" Score="2" Text="This [meta.se] post might be useful: [Are there any clones/alternatives for running a Stack Exchange style Q&amp;A site?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/2267) (It was linked in the comments here: [Is there a software solution if we do cut the cord from SE?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4431))" CreationDate="2020-03-15T06:04:18.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21687" PostId="4472" Score="0" Text="I'll paste here a relevant question from over there: https://physicsoverflow.org/42605/are-you-willing-share-your-question2answer-configuration and also this:&#xA;https://docs.question2answer.org/install/" CreationDate="2020-03-15T07:55:36.680" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="21688" PostId="4472" Score="2" Text="Consider also the usage of [Piazza](https://piazza.com/), you can manage your own class without the need of setting up a new site." CreationDate="2020-03-15T16:27:06.413" UserId="84320" />
  <row Id="21690" PostId="4472" Score="2" Text="Isn't MO already a math Q/A site in foreign language (for many of us)?" CreationDate="2020-03-17T20:02:32.843" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21692" PostId="4473" Score="4" Text="If you are looking for similar stories, my present research path has been highly influenced by the presence of MathOverflow.  I can't claim any immediate success stories, but I have found things mathematical that I have seen nowhere else, and posting them on MathOverflow (and getting little response) seems to confirm that these findings are original. Gerhard &quot;Perhaps Also Of Some Interest&quot; Paseman, 2020.03.17." CreationDate="2020-03-18T05:13:30.383" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21693" PostId="4473" Score="6" Text="I suppose you could make it into a question by asking &quot;Has anything like this ever happened to you?&quot;" CreationDate="2020-03-18T06:19:16.077" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21721" PostId="4473" Score="2" Text="It might be &quot;sharing knowledge policy&quot; which is  welcome at stackoverflow in general , but un-welcome at mathoverflow - post question and answer by yourself should be nevertheless applied to that case - I mean I would suggest to post a question and answer by yourself to mathoverflow." CreationDate="2020-03-27T16:56:37.380" UserId="10446" />
  <row Id="21833" PostId="4473" Score="0" Text="Thank you for this post. Would not it be appropriate to still post that prepared question together with an answer?" CreationDate="2020-04-07T19:28:39.850" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21730" PostId="4475" Score="3" Text="In that question about factorization systems, shouldn't you post an answer to your own question? I thought that this sort of this is encouraged (but not done often enough)." CreationDate="2020-03-29T05:08:40.920" UserId="8508" />
  <row Id="21767" PostId="4475" Score="0" Text="@TobyBartels You're probably right. Sometimes I feel like I do this too often -- for me it's often a symptom of exactly this phenomenon of not having thought through things completely. But in the end, it's probably best to have _some_ sort of answer recorded!" CreationDate="2020-03-31T11:32:00.843" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="21768" PostId="4475" Score="0" Text="You can also wait a while for other answers, and if none are forthcoming, then you can write your own.  (But you have to remember to check.)" CreationDate="2020-03-31T14:57:44.293" UserId="8508" />
  <row Id="21699" PostId="4476" Score="3" Text="It seems that some other users had problems with review queues today, too: [Low Quality Post review is unreadable](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/345341) and [I am experiencing difficulty in the rendering of posts in the “review first posts queue.”](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31361)" CreationDate="2020-03-20T20:00:10.187" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21704" PostId="4477" Score="0" Text="Thanks Martin for suggestion on tag :)" CreationDate="2020-03-21T15:41:08.650" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="21706" PostId="4477" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure why you're comparing to spam. The procedure for spam is flagging, and usually results in a deletion in less than 1 hour, and sometimes a few minutes." CreationDate="2020-03-21T16:13:37.573" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21707" PostId="4477" Score="3" Text="A side remark is that new accounts are not always new users." CreationDate="2020-03-21T16:14:16.317" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21708" PostId="4477" Score="0" Text="I meant to say quick negative reviews may be suitable for spam but for some question which is not spam, I think we should wait for some time.." CreationDate="2020-03-21T16:14:41.220" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="21711" PostId="4477" Score="6" Text="I'm guessing you weren't around in the Usenet era.  On the Internet, eternal vigilance is the price of not being swamped by gibberish." CreationDate="2020-03-22T05:10:28.267" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="21714" PostId="4477" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg  I understand to some extent what you mean :)" CreationDate="2020-03-22T12:21:32.153" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="21716" PostId="4477" Score="0" Text="for the record, the question has now been deleted by the author, but it read: &quot;In geometry, metric can be used to compute the curvature of tensor, but Levi civia connection is compatible with Riemmanian geometry.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-03-23T12:36:42.277" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="21718" PostId="4477" Score="0" Text="As mentioned in the previous comment, the question is now deleted, For users below 10k, here is a [Internet Archive snapshot](http://web.archive.org/web/20200321153208/https://mathoverflow.net/questions/355374/which-is-more-important-between-connection-and-metric)." CreationDate="2020-03-25T07:52:50.430" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21719" PostId="4477" Score="0" Text="These older discussions are also related to the issues concerning new users: [Should we exercise a bit more tolerance towards newcomers?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3518) and [“Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming.” — are we?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3713) (Although the issues discussed there are not the same as here.)" CreationDate="2020-03-25T16:29:39.147" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21703" PostId="4478" Score="0" Text="Praphulla &quot;I don't have a good response&quot; Koushik :)" CreationDate="2020-03-21T15:40:17.230" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="21720" PostId="4483" Score="5" Text="I don't want to discuss this particular example, but I think it is commonly accepted to post an answer, which doesn't answer the question but provides useful related information, if it's explicit from the beginning. For instance a number of answers start with *&quot;An extended comment&quot;*, or *&quot;A partial answer&quot;*, and one can imagine other variants. It's likely to be upvoted if useful, and downvoted if unrelated or not useful." CreationDate="2020-03-27T15:02:05.303" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21724" PostId="4486" Score="3" Text="Some of us are still reeling from the ... uh, drama from last September (and before and after).  I would be interested in that effect on participation in MathOverflow.  Gerhard &quot;Having Challenges Thinking About Math&quot; Paseman, 2020.03.28." CreationDate="2020-03-29T00:48:32.920" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21725" PostId="4486" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman: &quot;Having Challenges Thinking About Math&quot;---Amen! Although most of us are still *teaching* math (but I know you meant math research)." CreationDate="2020-03-29T01:18:58.570" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="21731" PostId="4486" Score="0" Text="Perhaps ([meta-tag:statistics]) would be a good tag for this post - it can be interpreted about question about stats concerning traffic on various sites." CreationDate="2020-03-29T06:52:28.980" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21732" PostId="4486" Score="0" Text="I will mention my post on [meta.se]: [What are reasonable ways to check if activity on a site (or the whole network) has decreased?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/345317) Some suggestions were given in comments. I will add links to some discussion [in MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/change-in-activity-on-mo-due-to-coronavirus) and [in my chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/19138/conversation/change-in-activity-on-mse-due-to-coronavirus) where some stats about activity were mentioned (for MO and math.SE])." CreationDate="2020-03-29T06:59:17.747" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21735" PostId="4486" Score="2" Text="Looking at the [publicly available] analytics on math.SE, comparing the activity since 1 March, to the same period 6 and 12 months ago, it doesn't look that different." CreationDate="2020-03-29T09:06:28.497" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="21744" PostId="4486" Score="2" Text="What counts as a &quot;new visit&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-03-29T12:37:33.997" UserId="425" />
  <row Id="21754" PostId="4486" Score="27" Text="I’m confused. Maybe it’s different in other parts of the world, but where I live, the main practical effects of the pandemic are that people are forced to stay at home, and shops, pubs, etc. are closed. If anything, I’d expect this to *increase* participation in all kinds of online fora, including MO." CreationDate="2020-03-29T14:45:55.660" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21762" PostId="4486" Score="9" Text="@EmilJeřábek I have mixed expectations. Yes, more people stay at home, but some of them have to adapt to working from home using online tools. On MO, we can expect many people from academia - for people who do not have experience with that, starting with distance teaching is not easy and they might be putting a lot of time into that. And we should also consider other factors: 1. Some people might not have access to internet at home. 2. Some people might be forced by external factors to do other stuff. (Especially if they volunteer to help with some aspects of crisis. But also ordinary people.)" CreationDate="2020-03-30T05:59:22.233" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21763" PostId="4486" Score="6" Text="@EmilJeřábek: For many the pandemic has resulted in less free time rather than more." CreationDate="2020-03-30T12:19:20.840" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="21764" PostId="4486" Score="15" Text="I echo Martin Sleziak and Joseph O'Rourke, but also add that those of use with caring responsibilities (e.g. I have junior school-age children) suddenly find ourselves doing a job and (in my and my wife's case) being teacher.  There is also the stress of worrying about friends and family we cannot visit.  This does add up to much less capacity for serious Mathematics, at least in my experience." CreationDate="2020-03-30T15:36:28.370" UserId="406" />
  <row Id="21772" PostId="4486" Score="2" Text="My own participation was heaviest when I was working from home in the year after MO started. Actually, MO helped make that arrangement work for me! But now I have kids at home and less time." CreationDate="2020-03-31T17:29:26.503" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="21782" PostId="4486" Score="2" Text="I have mixed expectations too.  I can imagine that the pandemic lowers people's motivation to do many things they usually do, including MO.  And if people use MO to &quot;take a break&quot; maybe there's less they need to take a break from now.  I personally am actively limiting my time on things like SE, news sites, etc... so that I can productively work from home, though I have no idea how common this is." CreationDate="2020-04-03T17:29:55.423" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="21840" PostId="4486" Score="2" Text="Matheducators.SE has seen a large number of low-quality questions recently. I think a lot of people are sitting at home trying to learn math, so they hit an SE site on their phone and decide to ask a question, without understanding what's really the purpose of the site." CreationDate="2020-04-09T14:29:32.353" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="21865" PostId="4486" Score="1" Text="@BenCrowell:  That is my impression too for mathoverflow." CreationDate="2020-04-10T15:55:05.323" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="21869" PostId="4486" Score="2" Text="I think many points above are well made. Without wishing to sound like I am gloating, in my case there is a certain element of in the past using MathOverflow as providing moments of respite from the day job, as a substitute for sitting and thinking properly about research since the day job wasn't giving me enough peace to do this. The pandemic means I am actually left alone to think about research, hence less MO from me. (Yes, my day job does officially claim I get 35%-40% of my time to do research. Those of you not in the UK should think of this as that famous &quot;British humour&quot;)" CreationDate="2020-04-11T14:03:39.257" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21909" PostId="4486" Score="2" Text="Maybe get a new graph, showing activity up to now.  Has &quot;diminished activity&quot; continued?" CreationDate="2020-04-17T12:51:45.140" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="21910" PostId="4486" Score="0" Text="I am not sure to which extent they are interesting (and whether they add something to the stats seen in the site analytics), but anyway - some statistics related to activity on MO are collected [in MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/some-mo-stats-early-2020)." CreationDate="2020-04-17T15:44:26.677" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21927" PostId="4486" Score="1" Text="A recent blog posts (on The Overflow Blog) related to this topic: [How the pandemic changed traffic trends from 400M visitors across 172 Stack Exchange sites](https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/04/20/pandemic-changed-traffic-trends-stack-exchange-sites/)" CreationDate="2020-04-21T07:06:17.107" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21755" PostId="4490" Score="1" Text="Relevant posts on [meta.se]: [The Follow Questions and Answers feature is now live across the Network](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/345661) and the older one [Upcoming Feature: Follow Questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/345148).." CreationDate="2020-03-29T14:50:28.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22402" PostId="4491" Score="0" Text="This has an accepted answer now." CreationDate="2020-06-29T05:59:48.900" UserId="70388" />
  <row Id="22390" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="Yes this was pointed out a few times on [math.meta.se]: [Trying to ask a question provides better results than normal search.](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/26415) In fact, this is also mentioned in the community edited FAQ post on searching: [How to search on this site?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/29265#29269)" CreationDate="2020-06-23T15:40:39.023" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21774" PostId="4497" Score="6" Text="This is by design. You are using \pmb, which stands for “poor man’s bold”, and works by typesetting several slightly offset copies of the content to give it a bolder appearance. Unsurprisingly, the results looks rather bad both in original LaTeX and in MathJax. It is meant to be used only as a last resort. Whenever possible, you should use proper bold commands such as \mathbf and \boldsymbol." CreationDate="2020-04-01T17:20:40.290" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21775" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification; I didn't know of the meaning of pmb, I only knew of the recommendation to use it for matrices and vectors." CreationDate="2020-04-01T17:38:23.900" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="21776" PostId="4497" Score="2" Text="I don’t know who gave you that recommendation, but it is a bad one. If you want matrices and vectors in bold italic, you should use \boldsymbol (which comes from the amsmath package). There is also a dedicated package bm, but I have no experience with it. There are various questions about this topic on https://tex.stackexchange.com, such as https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/3238/bm-package-versus-boldsymbol ." CreationDate="2020-04-01T17:51:47.537" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21777" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="Actually, https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/199789/which-bold-style-is-recommended-for-matrix-notation tells me that bm is *preferrable* to \boldsymbol, which is obsolete. But anyway, \pmb should not be used." CreationDate="2020-04-01T17:57:46.677" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21778" PostId="4497" Score="4" Text="I always use \bm except here on MO, where this command is not recognized." CreationDate="2020-04-01T20:34:55.953" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="21787" PostId="4498" Score="0" Text="Right now there are two close votes. One of them reads &quot;Needs details or clarity&quot;. The other one is a &quot;does not appear to be about research level mathematics&quot; etc. That's all I know. With the bounty in place, there won't be further close votes." CreationDate="2020-04-05T03:07:59.280" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21783" PostId="4499" Score="1" Text="I am not sure about the details, but sometimes even links within the Stack Exchange network might contribute to this badge: [I received the Announcer badge for a link to a site-meta shared on a hot network question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/242864) and [Publicity badges might be taking internal links into account?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/134185) When I look at the questions [for which you have the Announcer badge](https://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/54/announcer?userid=41291), I see that you have mentioned the most recent one ..." CreationDate="2020-04-04T19:03:36.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21784" PostId="4499" Score="1" Text="... in a [comment on MathOverflow](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/250152/abc-conjecture-and-fermats-last-theorem#comment615869_250152). As a side note, you can avoid getting this badge if you use link without your user id. A related older discussion: [Privacy of software-generated links to questions and answers](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2167). More details on various ways to link to a MO post: [Distinguishing between questions and answers in references.](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3586#30814)" CreationDate="2020-04-04T19:04:52.277" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21785" PostId="4499" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak you are extraordinarily helpful, as always! But how did you find that comment of mine??" CreationDate="2020-04-04T19:15:01.350" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21786" PostId="4499" Score="0" Text="Oh I see - the &quot;Linked&quot; list on the right? Should think of it myself." CreationDate="2020-04-04T19:19:21.653" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21821" PostId="4503" Score="0" Text="I guess this should be tagged ([meta-tag:on-topic]) - since it is a discussion whether questions like that are suitable for this site or not. I was also thinking about ([meta-tag:specific-question]) , I am not sure whether it's a good fit - the question is probably more about one specific topic that tied to one particular question (the one linked in the post)." CreationDate="2020-04-07T04:13:23.200" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21822" PostId="4503" Score="2" Text="Regarding the remark &quot;leave it to Twitter, Reddit, blogs, ...&quot;, I'll just remind that [MathOverflow has its own chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369) and on Mathematics there is [Number Theory room](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/12070) - but neither of them is visited vary often." CreationDate="2020-04-07T04:15:24.460" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21825" PostId="4505" Score="19" Text="I think in the early days, there was a lot of low-hanging fruit for easy picking." CreationDate="2020-04-07T17:25:28.757" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21826" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="Maybe I am doing something wrong in my SEDE queries, but I do not see decrease in number of answers. Here is [my SEDE query](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1222115/number-of-questions-answers-posts-per-month?Date1=2011-01-01#graph) and a [corresponding query including deleted posts](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1222117/number-of-questions-answers-posts-per-month-including-deleted-posts?Date1=2011-01-01#graph)." CreationDate="2020-04-07T17:28:45.473" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21827" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="Is an explanation what the query linked in the post linked in your query calculates available somewhere? What parameters did you use to get the graph in your post?" CreationDate="2020-04-07T17:29:45.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21828" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak that query is by Sam Saffron, as modified by Neal Young. The only thing I did when I forked was to delete the third component (about the number of upvotes) and then run it for 91 day batches from the beginning (i. e. first time when anything is nonzero). From the little I understand, the query just counts the number of posts without `ParentId` (questions?) and posts with a `ParentId` (answers?) over each batch." CreationDate="2020-04-07T17:34:54.720" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21829" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="And I believe the queries you link to here show roughly similar picture, don't they? Also, could you explain more about deleted posts?" CreationDate="2020-04-07T17:36:29.593" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21830" PostId="4505" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble maybe; still the fact is that there were always more answers than questions before 2016; while, after mid-2018, there are always more questions than answers." CreationDate="2020-04-07T17:38:37.160" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21831" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="It is possible to link to a query including parameters filled out, for example in your link I can add [period=91 and points=40](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/482464/number-of-questions-answers-and-upvotes-over-time?period=91&amp;points=40#graph). I suppose this would help others to see better what you're actually doing. (Since they would see not only the picture include in your post, but also how you obtained the graph.)" CreationDate="2020-04-07T18:31:11.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21832" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Great, thanks! After all these upvotes do not interfere much, and maybe even supply additional information" CreationDate="2020-04-07T18:39:21.230" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21849" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="Would you be willing to clarify what you mean by &quot;measure number of answer upvotes per question&quot;? (If it becomes too long, we could try to clarify the details in chat, for example, in [my room](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19138) or in [MathOverflow room](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369). It is possible to count the number of all upvotes cast in the given period of time, for example, [this query](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/revision/1223730/1505602/number-of-votes-on-answers-and-votes-on-questions-per-month#graph). Did you simply mean to ..." CreationDate="2020-04-10T09:46:01.900" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21850" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="... divide this by the number of questions posted in the same period, to get some kind of (Answer upvotes)/(Questions posted) ratio? (I'll at to the above query that it also included the votes on questions which are older, it looks at votes depending on when the vote was cast, the question might have been posted long before.)" CreationDate="2020-04-10T09:47:30.143" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21851" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak For a question $q$ let $f(q)$ be the total number of upvotes that all answers to this question get (probably including negative numbers for downvotes). Then what I meant was the mean of the numbers $f(q)$ for all $q$ in a given time block. But I am not at all sure this is a meaningful thing to look at, this is just the only refinement that came to my mind." CreationDate="2020-04-10T11:38:37.447" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21853" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="Unless I made some mistakes, [this query](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1223758/total-score-of-answers-for-the-question) should return $f(q)$ for each question, and [this query](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1223759/average-score-of-all-answers-depending-on-month-of-questions-creationdate#graph) should be average score of answers depending on the month when the question was posted. (This only takes into account the date when the *question* was posted, not when *answers* were posted, but usually these dates are near to each other.)" CreationDate="2020-04-10T12:17:36.203" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21854" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Great! The last one looks reassuring: it shows that still questions get more than six upvotes for their answers on average, so I believe one can say that answer *quality* (if not quantity) remains high enough - although it also seems to slowly drop" CreationDate="2020-04-10T12:22:55.343" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21855" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="Could you please add this to your answer? Another simpler and probably also useful thing to look at would be a query like this but just with $f(q)=$ the number of answers to $q$. This should drop in any case since recent questions are unanswered yet, but will probably show something about dynamics" CreationDate="2020-04-10T12:23:53.307" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21866" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="Maybe it is worth reminding that people with sufficient reputation (and moderators) have [access to site analytics](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics), where they can also see some stats about activity on the site." CreationDate="2020-04-11T07:56:13.950" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21867" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="As a side note perhaps ([meta-tag:answers]) would be a suitable tag for this post. (Since you're mainly interested in the statistics for *answers*.)" CreationDate="2020-04-11T09:59:04.340" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21868" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Good idea, added" CreationDate="2020-04-11T12:10:05.020" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21887" PostId="4505" Score="3" Text="Could big-list questions possibly contribute a significant amount to this effect? There were a lot of those in the early days, I believe." CreationDate="2020-04-13T01:34:29.663" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="21888" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="@WillSawin Yes, this could explain why there were so many answers per question initially. But for the later times, when one goes from more than one to less than one answer per question, I am not so sure. In any case I agree that it would be more accurate to exclude questions with the big list tag." CreationDate="2020-04-13T06:14:30.957" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21890" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="@Will although not every big-list question gets a lot of answers, e.g., https://mathoverflow.net/questions/348992/mathematical-problems-reducing-to-the-traveling-salesman-problem and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/345263/theorems-which-are-not-numerically-verified and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/343943/open-problems-in-fiber-bundles-theory and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/341954/fredholm-theory-of-non-elliptic-operators and https://mathoverflow.net/questions/339005/research-level-blogs-on-complex-networks ...." CreationDate="2020-04-13T11:58:11.507" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21891" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="@WillSawin I have tried to add some queries which should make the effect of big-list questions lower. (Namely queries looking only at non-CW posts/questions, and queries omitting questions with some specific tags.)" CreationDate="2020-04-13T12:50:15.830" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21892" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak thank you very much for this additional information! I would say filtering out tags does not change much, while excluding cv even makes the trend more apparent!" CreationDate="2020-04-13T13:12:48.827" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21900" PostId="4505" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I have edited the queries a bit. (I hope I did not leave any mistakes.) The results with omitting these two tags look now rather similar to each other." CreationDate="2020-04-14T05:24:39.053" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21834" PostId="4506" Score="1" Text="*I think the query should be changed to reflect only answered questions plus those questions which are unanswered but not closed.* I am not sure whether this is at least roughly what you wanted, but I tried to to the following query: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1222537/number-of-questions-and-their-answers-per-month#graph The condition to filter questions is `(p.ClosedDate IS NULL) OR (p.AnswerCount&gt;0)`. (And I have used `p.AnswerCount` to count answers, which mean that the answer is counted depending on the date when the *question* was posted, but the query is simpler.)" CreationDate="2020-04-08T04:07:45.067" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21835" PostId="4506" Score="1" Text="Similar query for [all questions](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/revision/1222539/1504140/number-of-questions-and-their-answers-per-month#graph), [questions which are not closed](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1222535/number-of-questions-answers-per-month-non-closed#graph), [questions which have an answer](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1222538/number-of-questions-and-their-answers-per-month-only-answered#graph)." CreationDate="2020-04-08T04:11:41.393" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21836" PostId="4506" Score="1" Text="And for comparison, [number of closed questions](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1222536/number-of-questions-and-their-answers-per-month-only-closed#graph)." CreationDate="2020-04-08T04:11:46.193" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21837" PostId="4506" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I believe the picture is more or less equivalent (except for the closed questions), no?" CreationDate="2020-04-08T06:36:01.333" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21838" PostId="4507" Score="3" Text="My personal opinion: here would be fine (probably the better fit)." CreationDate="2020-04-08T16:53:26.570" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21845" PostId="4507" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, there are other preprint servers that might be relevant (bioRxiv comes to mind, but you'd have to check for mathematical biology), and it might even be reasonable to send to PLOS ONE, which, though a journal rather than a preprint server, it seems like it would fit there." CreationDate="2020-04-09T23:58:50.623" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21847" PostId="4507" Score="1" Text="Your question and answer, that you've linked as a post of the main site MathOverflow, were excellent. I'm an amateur mathematician (I'm not a professor) thus I can not provide you an advice. My view is that it can be potentially useful if this site MathOverflow had a periodic publication, I mean a MathOverflow journal (if it is legitimate) of the best posts with attached remarks and articles build from these (I evoke expansions with the adding the best comments, answers or contributions, and unsolved questions that arose for posts of this site MathOverflow). Isn't required response, good luck!" CreationDate="2020-04-10T08:16:51.063" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21848" PostId="4507" Score="3" Text="One immediate half-answer I can give you is that your note is lacking references and context. If someone unfamiliar with mathematical epidemiology came across the note, he wouldn't even know what books to read in order to understand the first paragraph. IIRC, the arXiv has a &quot;every preprint must have a bibliography&quot; rule, which yours technically satisfies, but it might help to satisfy it better." CreationDate="2020-04-10T09:43:15.303" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="21876" PostId="4507" Score="6" Text="For ease of reference, the question has been asked here: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/357077/note-rejected-from-arxiv-what-to-do-next/" CreationDate="2020-04-11T22:39:53.733" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21844" PostId="4508" Score="0" Text="Of course it doesn't apply to @Gro-Tsen's question, but I sure do wish sometimes that we had a close reason something along the lines of &quot;the thought process should be (1) think about your problem, and *then* (2) ask MO if (1) fails, not the other way around&quot;.  Instead, we have to settle for either &quot;off-topic&quot; or &quot;needs clarity&quot; …." CreationDate="2020-04-09T19:46:35.763" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21841" PostId="4509" Score="0" Text="Since you are asking in general, no. As written, the question is not specific to mathematics.  If for some reason you are dissatisfied with the answers on Academia (they look fine to me), you can try a modified version specific to mathematics. Update this post with the new version and get feedback before trying it on MathOverflow.  Gerhard &quot;Better Safe Than Downvoted, Closed&quot; Paseman, 2020.04.09." CreationDate="2020-04-09T16:54:55.873" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21842" PostId="4509" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman Can you please help me to make it suitable for MO other than saying &quot;this is specific to mathematics&quot;..." CreationDate="2020-04-09T17:04:42.047" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="21843" PostId="4509" Score="0" Text="I'll think on it. However, it may take a few days.  Gerhard &quot;Got Some Other Stuff Happenin'&quot; Paseman, 2020.04.09." CreationDate="2020-04-09T18:20:19.837" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21846" PostId="4509" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman :D ok.. I will try to make some changes hoping to fit this in MO..." CreationDate="2020-04-10T02:28:45.543" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="21881" PostId="4509" Score="0" Text="Now the question was posted on the main site: [What are some efficient ways to keep a note of results when reading a research article in mathematics?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/357160) (Although there is one close vote at the moment and the question is [in the review queue](https://mathoverflow.net/review/close/129838).)" CreationDate="2020-04-12T04:54:45.783" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21882" PostId="4509" Score="1" Text="Perhaps it's worth mentioning that the question has also entered the HNQ list: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/70737/2020/4/12 https://mathoverflow.net/posts/357160/revisions" CreationDate="2020-04-12T06:09:10.270" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21883" PostId="4509" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak thanks for the links" CreationDate="2020-04-12T06:53:04.213" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="21852" PostId="4510" Score="1" Text="Thanks a lot for your work. Although not giving anything definitive, your answer made me think of the following: if we only know that the number of questions remains roughly the same, I believe this almost necessarily implies that the number of answers must drop. This is because each question needs certain time to be answered, so the number of unanswered questions must accumulate over time. This is most clearly shown in your graph for the ratio answers/questions" CreationDate="2020-04-10T11:52:29.963" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21856" PostId="4510" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე. So it might be interesting to see the growth of the number of unanswered questions over time, to judge if that is sufficient to explain the drop in the A/Q ratio." CreationDate="2020-04-10T13:00:26.093" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="21857" PostId="4510" Score="2" Text="@JosephO'Rourke I have added the queries showing number and percentage of questions with zero answers. (I counted the question with no answers, although the phrase *unanswered question* is also used in different meanings.)" CreationDate="2020-04-10T13:25:55.113" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21858" PostId="4510" Score="0" Text="Another thing that is, I believe, very important and that I noticed only now. The number of views per question seems to drop even more noticeably than the number of answers; and moreover number of answers per view actually seems to grow! So it might well be that the actual reason behind the drop of the number of answers is the drop of the number of views?" CreationDate="2020-04-10T14:05:47.120" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21859" PostId="4510" Score="0" Text="I am going to accept this one. Although this is not really an answer, it amply provides what the question requests - additional information to contemplate." CreationDate="2020-04-10T14:12:19.070" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21860" PostId="4510" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე Re: *So it might well be ... drop of the number of views?* This is hard to say. One would expect that question gets some views from the frontpage, some views from Google searches and various external sources. While the first category contributes to views mostly soon after the posting, the contribution of the second category should be more-or-less steady. So it is expected that older posts have more views." CreationDate="2020-04-10T14:19:23.537" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21861" PostId="4510" Score="0" Text="Have to agree. Still, I find it highly significant if the number of answers per view indeed grows." CreationDate="2020-04-10T14:25:08.773" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="21862" PostId="4510" Score="0" Text="Concerning your plots of unanswered questions (thanks!): How can the # of unanswered questions drop by ~100 in one month? E.g., from 403 to 291 around Apr 2017? Surely that many were not suddenly answered." CreationDate="2020-04-10T15:05:24.560" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="21863" PostId="4510" Score="1" Text="@JosephO'Rourke Just to clarify, it is number of questions which were *posted in a given month*. Assuming that I did not make mistake when creating the queries, those number say that 403 out of the questions posted in March 2017 are still without an answer, 291 of the questions posted in April 2017 are still without an answer. (So these stats concern two disjoint sets of questions, one for every month.)" CreationDate="2020-04-10T15:14:28.973" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21864" PostId="4510" Score="1" Text="Since we're talking about unanswered questions, I will stress that those numbers show questions which do not have answer *now*. If we looked at the *total* number of unanswered questions at a *given time*, that is most likely going to be increasing. At least it seems be the case for Mathematics Stack Exchange where [those numbers are tracked](https://chat.stackexchange.com/users/-341/unanswered-tracker?tab=recent). (With the exception of occasional drops [caused by clean-up scripts](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/25306/why-does-the-unanswered-question-count-drop-on-saturdays).)" CreationDate="2020-04-10T15:50:17.853" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21893" PostId="4510" Score="0" Text="With big list and soft question excluded the answers to recent question ratio is 1.26. With them included it's .70. Doesn't this imply that at least 1 -.7/1.26 = 44% of recent questions are soft questions or big lists?" CreationDate="2020-04-13T13:54:45.503" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="21894" PostId="4510" Score="0" Text="@WillSawin That query indeed looks suspicious - I have edited it a bit to calculate the ratio in a different way. (Certainly, it is expected that this ratio is lower if we remove these two tags.) I'll try to check the queries again a bit later. I will repeat the explanation which I gave in the post - in the queries based on tags I am looking at the creation date of the question. (So the answer posted in April can contribute to number in the previous months, it is posted on an older question.)" CreationDate="2020-04-13T14:26:50.553" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21877" PostId="4512" Score="0" Text="&quot;be recovered&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-04-11T22:59:03.127" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21878" PostId="4512" Score="1" Text="If it were voted into deletion by members, I might say undeleted.  Instead, an algorithm determined it be deleted, and I want it recovered. Thank you for interest and help. Gerhard &quot;Now To Take Some Steps&quot; Paseman, 2020.04.11." CreationDate="2020-04-11T23:19:34.517" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="21879" PostId="4512" Score="0" Text="OK, well, it seems to be there now." CreationDate="2020-04-11T23:30:42.333" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21870" PostId="4513" Score="1" Text="Yes, I just heard the sad news too.  Thanks for adding this." CreationDate="2020-04-11T16:56:12.793" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="21871" PostId="4513" Score="2" Text="Not disputing this account, but it is worth noting that someone has edited the wikipedia page to remove the death notice (presumably pending verification)" CreationDate="2020-04-11T17:34:53.740" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21872" PostId="4513" Score="6" Text="@YemonChoi:  I heard this before seeing it on wikipedia, from a very reliable source." CreationDate="2020-04-11T17:39:09.183" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="21873" PostId="4513" Score="4" Text="@Lucia Sure, I just meant that Sam's link should be replaced/updated for now, otherwise people will click on it and potentially be confused" CreationDate="2020-04-11T17:58:22.770" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="21874" PostId="4513" Score="1" Text="There is a short note on the [talk page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Horton_Conway#Death) of that Wikipedia article." CreationDate="2020-04-11T19:49:03.500" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21875" PostId="4513" Score="2" Text="More detailed confirmation: https://twitter.com/CardColm/status/1249088354857226242 " CreationDate="2020-04-11T21:58:25.970" UserId="22930" />
  <row Id="21880" PostId="4513" Score="1" Text="&quot;From 5 of his close associates&quot; https://twitter.com/CardColm/status/1249082119567138819?s=20," CreationDate="2020-04-12T00:30:42.477" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21885" PostId="4513" Score="0" Text="Article in Mercer Daily Voice, a New Jersey newspaper: https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/mercer/obituaries/covid-19-kills-renowned-princeton-mathematician-game-of-life-inventor-john-conway-in-3-days/786461/ If you speak Dutch, there's https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2020/04/12/wiskundige-conway-was-een-speels-genie-en-kenner-van-symmetrie-a3996590 In German, https://www.golem.de/news/covid-19-mathematiker-john-conway-ist-gestorben-2004-147842.html" CreationDate="2020-04-12T23:39:39.167" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21886" PostId="4513" Score="0" Text="In Spanish, https://www.unocero.com/ciencia/muere-matematico-john-conway-covid-19/  And in Turkish, https://halktv.com.tr/bilim-ve-teknoloji/matematikci-john-conway-coronavirus-nedeniyle-yasamini-yitirdi-423009h" CreationDate="2020-04-12T23:43:41.677" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21908" PostId="4513" Score="0" Text="From Princeton University's news site: https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/04/14/mathematician-john-horton-conway-magical-genius-known-inventing-game-life-dies-age and from the New York Times (paywall), https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/technology/john-horton-conway-dead-coronavirus.html" CreationDate="2020-04-16T09:20:19.230" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27598" PostId="4513" Score="0" Text="At that August 2022 the journal Notices of the American Mathematics Society Vol. 69, No.  7 published the articles *Conway’s Mathematics After Conway* (pages 1145-1155) and *John Horton Conway (1937–2020)* (MEMORIAL TRIBUTE, pages 1171-1187). I add the articles if some user wants to know these articles." CreationDate="2022-08-18T12:06:26.443" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="21895" PostId="4514" Score="4" Text="For benefit of other people reading this, here is [a screenshot](https://i.stack.imgur.com/fv23i.png). If I compare it with an screenshot from an [older post here on meta](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4405/list-of-close-reasons-has-changed), it seems that &quot;community-specific reason&quot; was called &quot;off-topic&quot; before." CreationDate="2020-04-13T17:19:45.940" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21896" PostId="4514" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak So only the terminology has changed? In that case I should probably delete the question." CreationDate="2020-04-13T17:26:21.867" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="21897" PostId="4514" Score="6" Text="I think it is perfectly ok to leave the question. I did not know about this change - I do not know what were the reasons for it. Other people might be interested to know about this, too." CreationDate="2020-04-13T17:43:49.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21898" PostId="4514" Score="0" Text="I couldn't find a discussion of this new close dialogue with a casual search on the meta.SE site, either:  https://meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=close ." CreationDate="2020-04-14T03:58:29.450" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21902" PostId="4514" Score="4" Text="Some related posts: [Goodbye “off-topic”, hello “community-specific reasons”?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/396592) (on Stack Overflow Meta) and [Please reinstate the words “off-topic” into the closing dialog](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/346436) (on [meta.se]). Both of them posted *after* this question." CreationDate="2020-04-14T06:18:58.737" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21904" PostId="4514" Score="13" Text="SE loves to sugar-coat their close reasons, recently. It's not unclear, it needs details. It's not too broad, it needs more focus. This just looks like the next step. It's not your question that is off-topic, it's our community that is too picky. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" CreationDate="2020-04-14T14:48:00.687" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="21905" PostId="4514" Score="9" Text="@FedericoPoloni, are you suggesting the apotheosis will be the single close reason &quot;it's not you, it's us&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-04-14T15:02:33.483" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21911" PostId="4514" Score="1" Text="I think polite ways to articulate criticism tend to depend very much on culture, habits and traditions, and may be not understood in the same way by everybody and everywhere. For close reasons this is likely not much different than e.g. for the famous question &quot;Can I help you?&quot; ..." CreationDate="2020-04-17T19:27:03.253" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21919" PostId="4516" Score="2" Text="It is probably too soon to start worrying about such links. (I assume that this will start working again eventually - so far it wasn't down for a very long time.) But when I have checked what else can be edited in some posts that were recently bumped I noticed such links - so it seemed reasonable to ask about this." CreationDate="2020-04-18T07:58:16.100" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21924" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="Would the 'feature-request' tag be useful here?" CreationDate="2020-04-19T10:20:28.347" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="21925" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="@YCor Maybe if there's a new post requesting an automated replacement of the links. (Let us consider this one just as a question whether some action should be taken or not.)" CreationDate="2020-04-19T11:03:12.087" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21947" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="Posts where a link to [front.math.ucdavis.edu](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1157683/posts-which-contained-the-text-in-some-revision-and-it-was-later-removed-case-in?word=front.math.ucdavis.edu) or [front.math.ucdavis.edu/search](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1157683/posts-which-contained-the-text-in-some-revision-and-it-was-later-removed-case-in?word=front.math.ucdavis.edu/search) was removed/changed at some point." CreationDate="2020-04-27T07:13:59.277" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21948" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="I have notice an [edit in 2017](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/114057/revisions) with the edit summary &quot;corrected broken link (this arxiv's mirror is not in operation for several weeks)&quot;. So this is not the first time there is a similar problem." CreationDate="2020-04-27T07:14:05.797" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21980" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="Does anyone know what happened to the front?  I find it impossible to use the usual arXiv search engine, so I am very disturbed by its absence." CreationDate="2020-04-28T03:55:42.430" UserId="438" />
  <row Id="21982" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="The title is driving me crazy in the HNQ bar.  Can we remove the extra &quot;links to&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-04-28T05:01:27.207" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21983" PostId="4516" Score="2" Text="Sorry about that @LSpice. In fact, I didn't notice notice until you explicitly pointed it out." CreationDate="2020-04-28T05:02:35.460" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22059" PostId="4516" Score="2" Text="I recently updated https://mathoverflow.net/a/132018/16302. It contained four links starting with `http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/` (and a search link, which I'll ignore here).  For two of these, a simple search-and-replace works, using the replacement `https://arxiv.org/abs/`.  But for the other two I needed to use `https://arxiv.org/abs/math/` _and_ remove a `.5` from the final part of the url.  I do not know why this is." CreationDate="2020-04-30T02:42:32.133" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="21922" PostId="4517" Score="4" Text="As someone who manually chases down such links, I heartily second that suggestion.  (I'd also like to fix all the links that point to &quot;this&quot; or &quot;here&quot; or &quot;a paper&quot;, but that's less easily automated ….)" CreationDate="2020-04-19T04:05:55.303" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="21923" PostId="4517" Score="8" Text="Regarding the direct links to the arXiv pdfs, and generic &quot;here&quot; references, I heartily agree." CreationDate="2020-04-19T09:47:43.273" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="21926" PostId="4517" Score="2" Text="I think automatized edits which don't bump posts to the front page can be done only by SE employees, and not by moderators. -- Anyway, for any such mass edits, I think this is the best way to go." CreationDate="2020-04-19T15:32:15.480" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21928" PostId="4517" Score="0" Text="Perhaps the automated transformation would be less straightforward for links not to articles but to searches, authors, categories, etc. But probably there isn't too many of them here are [a few examples](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3A%22*front.math.ucdavis.edu%2Fsearch*%22)." CreationDate="2020-04-21T08:30:12.633" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21929" PostId="4518" Score="0" Text="I'm not seeing a thing, deleted or not. Are you sure they're from this account?" CreationDate="2020-04-21T15:27:14.850" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21930" PostId="4518" Score="0" Text="Thanks @ToddTrimble Yes. I had asked them with the alias &quot;roseck&quot; (I went through a couple alias changes many years ago), but it should be under the same email account  (I have emails on my inbox for it). One thing I'm noticing is that I had it registered under amelio.vazquez@gmail.com (that's where the emails came to) instead of ameliovazquez@gmail.com (Google groups these types of alias variations under the same email account). I now login through Google OpenID, so maybe that's the reason ?" CreationDate="2020-04-21T15:32:47.270" UserId="37597" />
  <row Id="21931" PostId="4518" Score="2" Text="Is this it: https://mathoverflow.net/users/12103/roseck https://mathoverflow.net/users/12103/roseck?tab=questions ?" CreationDate="2020-04-21T15:34:00.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21932" PostId="4518" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes! Exactly thanks." CreationDate="2020-04-21T15:34:37.983" UserId="37597" />
  <row Id="21933" PostId="4518" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Now I wonder, if I wanted to get that activity tied back to my account (notifications, reputation, ease of access, etc.) do we have a process established for something like this?" CreationDate="2020-04-21T15:36:41.850" UserId="37597" />
  <row Id="21934" PostId="4518" Score="2" Text="When the site was migrated to the Stack Exchange network, many users had asked to merge their &quot;old&quot; and &quot;new&quot; account. This thread was related to that: [How can I log in into my old mathoverflow account?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/15) However,, lot of things might have changed since then. Perhaps mods can you help with this further. You could also try to check this: https://mathoverflow.net/help/merging-accounts" CreationDate="2020-04-21T15:38:24.160" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21935" PostId="4518" Score="6" Text="Yes, we do in principle, but getting it done tends to be very slow (it has to be done by a Community Manager). You can request an account merge by hitting 'Contact' at the bottom of this page (in gray)." CreationDate="2020-04-21T15:38:46.473" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21936" PostId="4519" Score="0" Text="I have listed here what I was able to gather from the linked posts. This answer was made [community wiki](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-wiki/info) feel free to edit it further to add more information or to correct what I wrote." CreationDate="2020-04-22T09:46:48.947" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21937" PostId="4519" Score="0" Text="Sorry, Martin; what does &quot;A/B tested&quot; mean?" CreationDate="2020-04-22T12:14:37.677" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="21938" PostId="4519" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson The feature is switched on for some users (and the effect of the change is measured in some way). Wikipedia&gt; [A/B testing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/B_testing)." CreationDate="2020-04-22T13:19:49.417" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21939" PostId="4523" Score="0" Text="I think that ([meta-tag:specific-question]) would be a suitable tag here. Just for the record, I will add a link to the post on [math.meta.se]: [How to make my question clearer?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31571) (Although there was not much response there.)" CreationDate="2020-04-25T04:42:03.267" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21941" PostId="4524" Score="1" Text="your user profile does not list any questions on MathOverflow, what is the negative feedback (&quot;bad rep&quot;) you are referring to?" CreationDate="2020-04-26T11:00:40.890" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="21942" PostId="4524" Score="3" Text="@CarloBeenakker They've all been deleted." CreationDate="2020-04-26T12:32:44.030" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21943" PostId="4524" Score="3" Text="I must say: I can't make heads or tails of this question. That may be due to my ignorance, but what, for example, is a cocomplete fibered CAT(0) space? I try googling the phrase, and Google asks back: did you mean &quot;complete fiber CAT(0) space&quot;? Of course I have no idea. I do have some idea what &quot;algebraic function field&quot; means (I think I would just say &quot;function field&quot;), but a function field **in** a Hadamard space? Is &quot;in&quot; the correct word? Sorry, I just find the language confusing and opaque." CreationDate="2020-04-26T13:08:31.343" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21944" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="@todd here's one thing i'm reading: https://books.google.com/books?id=b8eFAwAAQBAJ&amp;pg=PA84&amp;lpg=PA84&amp;dq=function+fields+embedded+into+hadamard+spaces&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=bhhTxSEowX&amp;sig=ACfU3U2-asV4T7bjedDpbYYZKYXlc8denw&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwiFhsy-t4bpAhV4hHIEHeaoA-UQ6AEwA3oECAoQAQ" CreationDate="2020-04-26T16:50:05.410" UserId="123449" />
  <row Id="21945" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="chapter 4 by the way" CreationDate="2020-04-26T16:54:06.943" UserId="123449" />
  <row Id="21946" PostId="4524" Score="10" Text="That's a healthy start: giving some much needed context. Supplying that often helps when you're trying to pose questions. What does &quot;enriched with cocomplete fibered CAT(0) spaces&quot; mean? (You don't have to define CAT(0) space, but I don't know what the phrase as a totality is referring to.)" CreationDate="2020-04-26T17:01:17.017" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21984" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="Several general points about asking on MO are summarized here: [How to write a good MathOverflow question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/882) (However, I suppose you are more interested in suggestions how to write down *this specific question* rather than a general advice.)" CreationDate="2020-04-28T07:20:16.037" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22040" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble what it means to *me* is, I fibrate the CAT(0) spaces, and now I try to work out how to &quot;enrich these function fields&quot; with the fibered CAT(0) spaces. I'll be honest I have no clue how to do this at the moment, or what tools I really need to make everything work out properly. I have not built the entire bridge yet :). When I say &quot;enrich&quot; I mean that I need an object that synthesizes information between function fields and these fibrated CAT(0) spaces. I think it will take me about 5-8 years to resolve it fully if I work alone. I'm in no rush :). If it takes me 20 years, no bother." CreationDate="2020-04-29T13:49:06.710" UserId="123449" />
  <row Id="22041" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="(And &quot;cocomplete&quot;? That's a familiar term from category theory, but I'll guess you meant something different.) If the question is sensible, then it shouldn't take anything like 5-8 years -- but it's possible you'd find in a year or so that you're not really asking yourself the right questions. It's hard working alone, especially when you're young as I'm supposing you are. Once you get into graduate school and begin talking turkey with an advisor, your work will probably get a lot more focused and meaningful. Meanwhile, keep trying to simplify the mathematics you do on your own terms." CreationDate="2020-04-29T14:46:25.553" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22042" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Thank you so much! Sorry for the confusion!" CreationDate="2020-04-29T14:48:07.297" UserId="123449" />
  <row Id="22043" PostId="4524" Score="1" Text="There's a piece of advice from Polya, and I can never remember quite how it goes, but one version is: if you find a problem to work on and can't solve it, there may be a simpler version of the problem that you can solve: find it! But I can't quite remember if it's supposed to be version 2: there's an even simpler problem you *can't* solve; keep going until you find the simplest version that you can't solve, and maybe you'll actually solve it!" CreationDate="2020-04-29T14:49:33.447" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21950" PostId="4526" Score="1" Text="@NoahSchweber Only OP gets no 404. You can do the same by replacing 6976 with your account number (8133) and then you can open it while logged in but you get a 404 when not logged in (try it if you want)" CreationDate="2020-04-27T18:09:28.600" UserId="129831" />
  <row Id="21951" PostId="4526" Score="0" Text="Did you ask for it to be deleted?" CreationDate="2020-04-27T17:57:11.613" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="21952" PostId="4526" Score="0" Text="I did ask 4 times. Got no replies." CreationDate="2020-04-27T17:58:15.390" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="21953" PostId="4526" Score="11" Text="The account asking this question seems to have 45k reputation." CreationDate="2020-04-27T18:05:19.770" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="21954" PostId="4526" Score="0" Text="@NoahSchweber It still reads as 11 in the little box on my screen, though clicking on the link gives 45006. Caching? Bugs?" CreationDate="2020-04-27T18:07:14.000" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="21955" PostId="4526" Score="0" Text="It increased from 1 to 45k in the last minute. Now how do I delete the thing?" CreationDate="2020-04-27T18:08:02.680" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="21956" PostId="4526" Score="0" Text="@RobertFurber Bizarre! I've opened opened this page in two different browsers in private windows, and am still seeing 45k. I suspect it's caching on your end." CreationDate="2020-04-27T18:08:26.803" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="21957" PostId="4526" Score="6" Text="Why would you want to delete this nice account? Anyway, if you are sure, you should be able to do so at https://mathoverflow.net/users/delete/6976" CreationDate="2020-04-27T18:08:49.063" UserId="129831" />
  <row Id="21958" PostId="4526" Score="7" Text="@MarkSapir Sad to see you go. I don't remember -- will we still be able to see your posts?" CreationDate="2020-04-27T18:59:44.910" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="21959" PostId="4526" Score="3" Text="@TimCampion Yes. What would appear in place of the name is a number, but all the posts/content would still be there (and also when someone pings him with @ Mark Sapir in comments, that name never goes away). By the way: I don't know what's going on either -- I'm going to try to find out. All I know is that MS contacted us about deleting his account, and he was given a link with instructions about how to do that. (We're not going to push that button ourselves -- such a drastic action for such an esteemed user needs to be completely voluntary on his/her part.)" CreationDate="2020-04-27T19:23:02.803" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21963" PostId="4526" Score="15" Text="@MarkSapir It's a real, real pity that you intend to leave the site ... -- your leaving would be a big loss for the community! -- Even if you choose not to contribute for a while (or even at all any more) -- why do you wish to take such drastic action as to irreversably delete your account?" CreationDate="2020-04-27T19:36:14.650" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21964" PostId="4526" Score="2" Text="@TimCampion In case it is useful: [Is there a way to check all questions/answers posted from a deleted account](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3748)." CreationDate="2020-04-27T19:49:08.930" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21988" PostId="4526" Score="8" Text="I see a mention of a suspension. I have no idea what has happened, but if your decision to delete your account is a reaction to a momentary grievance, let me make a plea for you to reconsider it." CreationDate="2020-04-28T10:48:24.500" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="21990" PostId="4526" Score="5" Text="@MarkSapir: I was also going to suggest what Emil said, though I was going to say 30 days of reconsideration. // In addition, if you're the kind of person that once that has taken a decision, there's _nothing_ that can change your mind, then wouldn't you like to 'donate' your 45k points, by giving bounties?" CreationDate="2020-04-28T14:37:59.210" UserId="129139" />
  <row Id="21992" PostId="4526" Score="0" Text="How can you ask questions and make comments from a deleted account? Isn't this contradiction?" CreationDate="2020-04-28T15:41:42.870" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="21993" PostId="4526" Score="0" Text="@joro It's not been deleted yet." CreationDate="2020-04-28T16:12:32.373" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22012" PostId="4526" Score="4" Text="@MarkSapir: haha:) noo, seriously you should 'donate' your rep, imagine all the +100 bounties that you might give. You could start a bounty on unanswered and very difficult questions or in questions with answer(s) and reward the outstanding answers, or simply on questions/answer that you like the most" CreationDate="2020-04-29T01:42:11.927" UserId="129139" />
  <row Id="22022" PostId="4526" Score="3" Text="@Magic_Isa: The best answer to my question on MO was given by Bill Thurston. But I am afraid he is not interested in MO reps now. As I said it is not a practical idea." CreationDate="2020-04-29T03:04:08.063" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="22068" PostId="4526" Score="3" Text="I’m voting to close this question because it is obsolete now." CreationDate="2020-04-30T11:08:33.357" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21981" PostId="4528" Score="2" Text="If somebody decides to keep the account but ignore it (like you suggest), it is useful to switch of the emails that remind you of new responses to your posts/comments. [meta.se]: [Control the types of email you receive via our new Email Settings feature](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/298906)" CreationDate="2020-04-28T04:12:07.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22007" PostId="4528" Score="0" Text="Ralph McKenzie has retired last year." CreationDate="2020-04-29T00:36:43.957" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="21975" PostId="4529" Score="0" Text="I agree with the substance. There are cases where deletions may be done by hand for users who contribute poorly." CreationDate="2020-04-28T00:33:19.300" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21991" PostId="4529" Score="3" Text="How can it be that Mark Sapir has been suspended? -- If this has really happened (I hope not), then let me say that suspending such an eminent contributor is likely to harm the community more than any plausible rule violations from his side may do ... ." CreationDate="2020-04-28T15:06:00.767" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21994" PostId="4529" Score="9" Text="@StefanKohl The suspension period is over. I don't really care to get into a long discussion about the specifics here, but is it your position that sufficient &quot;eminence&quot; (or reputation) means that the norms no longer apply? I suspect there is history here that you are not aware of." CreationDate="2020-04-28T16:19:36.240" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21995" PostId="4529" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble It is quite possible that there is a history which I am not aware of, and in fact I hope it is really drastic -- since if it is not, my feeling is that the decision to suspend him was rather not a good service to the community ... ." CreationDate="2020-04-28T16:59:49.863" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="21996" PostId="4529" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl A suspension, in this case a brief one, is normally a quiet affair, meant to help adjust behavior. A private moderator message is sent out, and there may be a brief exchange. Under normal circumstances the recipient will take the message under consideration, and then will return to activity without fanfare. What's happened is that Mark reacted in a certain way which some might call drastic, and went public about it to boot. I can understand why Mark's announcement upsets people. But it needn't have played out this way." CreationDate="2020-04-28T17:44:08.067" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22018" PostId="4529" Score="8" Text="Mark, I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say you were suspended only once. Second, your assertion that you stopped using MO two months ago is blatantly false, as can be easily proven (we know you've been self-vandalizing recently). As for the third, the announcement I was referring to was your public declaration of wanting to delete your account. But I think we're really done being publicly insulted by you (sometimes in deleted comments which could easily be undeleted)." CreationDate="2020-04-29T02:11:23.570" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="21985" PostId="4531" Score="0" Text="These two close reasons were introduced based on a request from MathOverflow back in 2013: [Revamping the closure reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1193). I will also add that after recent changes, also [moderators can edit close reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4514/change-in-voting-to-close). (As far as I can tell, before that an intervention from Stack Exchange staff was needed.) So if there is some consensus in MO community that the close reasons should be changed, it could be doable." CreationDate="2020-04-28T08:01:06.513" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21986" PostId="4531" Score="2" Text="The fact that these two close reasons look similar to each other was brought up a few times:&#xA;[Redundant ways to close as off-topic/better on MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1856),&#xA;[Migrating to Math.SE: too many close reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2319),&#xA;[What's the difference between two off-topic flags?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3766), &#xA;[Custom closing link looks too much like it should be a migrate to MSE link](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1510),&#xA;etc." CreationDate="2020-04-28T08:06:07.977" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21987" PostId="4531" Score="0" Text="In connection with the close reason saying &quot;See Math.StackExchange &quot;, it is worth mentioning that some members of the MO community have explicitly mentioned that they are not comfortable with sending people to [math.se], for example: [Homework and migrating to Mathematics Stack Exchange](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1248)." CreationDate="2020-04-28T08:06:24.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="21989" PostId="4531" Score="5" Text="I use the second one if the question could fit in math.se (perhaps with modification).  I use the first one if not even that." CreationDate="2020-04-28T11:31:16.747" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="22077" PostId="4531" Score="0" Text="I'd say these are very close, and the second one includes a encouragement to post on MathSE, possibly with some modification and after checking not being duplicate. If the question fits MathSE with no change (not research-level, but with contextual effort and/or sufficiently original), I vote for migration to MathSE. All these judgements are quick and subjective. In particular, the choice between the first and second option having no impact on the main outcome (closure or not), it's quickly done and often a bit random." CreationDate="2020-05-01T09:01:08.920" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22001" PostId="4532" Score="1" Text="Maybe MO is like the Hotel California, where you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave." CreationDate="2020-04-28T22:36:26.170" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="22026" PostId="4532" Score="9" Text="From the FAQ post [How can I delete my account?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/5999): &quot;If your account has cast a lot of votes, it will not be deleted approximately after the 24-hour timer expires, as above. Deletion will be held up while a Stack Exchange employee checks your account ... The queue of accounts awaiting deletion is [processed every Wednesday and Friday](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/326969), excluding holidays. This means that if your account falls into this queue, it could take up to three business days for your deletion request to be processed.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-04-29T07:33:28.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22029" PostId="4532" Score="0" Text="Ok. Today is Wednesday." CreationDate="2020-04-29T08:41:34.877" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="22032" PostId="4532" Score="0" Text="Thank you Martin!!" CreationDate="2020-04-29T08:57:39.590" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22067" PostId="4532" Score="3" Text="I’m voting to close this question because it is obsolete now." CreationDate="2020-04-30T11:07:04.473" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="22002" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="Nothing happened." CreationDate="2020-04-28T23:19:47.710" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="22009" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="@MarkSapir: This might be because of the nature of your account. Months ago a user from math.stack told me that high rep accounts are more difficult to delete and that the user needed to change the user name to their id number, to contact a moderator, etc. I don't exactly recall, but that was the idea." CreationDate="2020-04-29T01:35:13.173" UserId="129139" />
  <row Id="22010" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="If you know Xander Henderson, he was the one that said this." CreationDate="2020-04-29T01:36:46.683" UserId="129139" />
  <row Id="22011" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="I have contacted the moderators (4 times by email and posting two questions). These people can do nothing but insult me and contact other moderators. They did not respond to my emails." CreationDate="2020-04-29T01:39:08.427" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="22013" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="I do not know Henderson. Perhaps the moderators should contact him. He seems to know a lot of useful info." CreationDate="2020-04-29T01:43:20.787" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="22014" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="@MarkSapir: Back then I asked him how did he know that info, but he never replied, let me search for that post." CreationDate="2020-04-29T01:45:40.867" UserId="129139" />
  <row Id="22015" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="@MarkSapir Here it is https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/30748/extending-the-grace-period-for-account-deletion?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1" CreationDate="2020-04-29T01:51:18.000" UserId="129139" />
  <row Id="22016" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="@MarkSapir: well idk what happened (with the suspension) but so far of what I have seen, no one has insulted you. Or am I missing something?" CreationDate="2020-04-29T01:53:49.583" UserId="129139" />
  <row Id="22017" PostId="4533" Score="4" Text="Mark, I am sorry, but I know of only two (private) messages from you, not four. I don't know why you are having trouble doing what you say you are trying to do. Nor do I understand why you've said that you reached a 404 page for the link to instructions on how to delete: I tested it out myself, and it seemed fine. It's here: https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/deleting-account (maybe other users can verify whether they get a 404). Nor do I understand why you think we are insulting you. All I was saying is that CM can take a while to respond." CreationDate="2020-04-29T02:01:12.650" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22020" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="There were 4 same messages &quot;please delete my account&quot;. I did not receive an answer. If you click at the link Delete profile in the file you sent me you get 404 and I got 404 while my account was suspended which you are supposed to know. You lied and insulted me in one of the comments here and before." CreationDate="2020-04-29T02:31:56.503" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="22021" PostId="4533" Score="4" Text="Ah. This could be software related. All we see is two messages. The first &quot;please delete&quot; we responded to (see below). I can quote back to you the second message we see, but basically you said &quot;please delete my account&quot; again, after we said to you that we're not going to do that, this has to be an action you perform yourself (words to that effect). If a CM comes by, I'm sure he/she could corroborate. Still don't follow the 404 business you allege. But, I think I'm done." CreationDate="2020-04-29T02:34:35.560" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22024" PostId="4533" Score="3" Text="@MarkSapir Todd's help page link above goes to meta.stackexchange.com . If you then directly click the &quot;Delete profile&quot; link on that page, it will attempt to delete your meta.stackexchange profile, which is presumably impossible as you don't seem to have a meta.stackexchange profile in the first place. To delete your MO profile, you have to first navigate to your MO profile, and click the &quot;Delete profile&quot; link *there*, following the instructions." CreationDate="2020-04-29T07:17:24.010" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22025" PostId="4533" Score="1" Text="Direct link: https://mathoverflow.net/users/delete/6976" CreationDate="2020-04-29T07:31:23.217" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22027" PostId="4533" Score="1" Text="Thanks, Emil. It never occurred to me that anyone would misinterpret the instruction at that help page, but that might well explain the 404 that Mark was seeing." CreationDate="2020-04-29T07:58:47.460" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22028" PostId="4533" Score="2" Text="I should probably also explain what I meant by software related issue. I think it's a feature, not a bug, that in the moderator private message system, if one account fires off several messages in succession, only the first is received. It's easy to guess why that feature would be implemented. But I think this explains why the mods see only two messages from Mark in their inbox." CreationDate="2020-04-29T08:07:58.847" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22030" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="This does not explain why you did not reply to any of the messages." CreationDate="2020-04-29T08:43:36.173" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="22031" PostId="4533" Score="2" Text="Mark, there was only one message that we got after your first, which basically repeated &quot;please delete my account&quot; (I could quote it exactly if you want me to capture the tone), which came after we said precisely that we weren't going to do that. To be honest, I don't think any of us saw the point of repeating ourselves. We did of course reply to your first message (otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the second, as I explained a moment ago)." CreationDate="2020-04-29T08:53:13.063" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22033" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: If you click on this direct link, you get error404 because you do not own the account. I got the same error because a suspended account does not belong to the owner." CreationDate="2020-04-29T10:16:09.233" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="22034" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: The moderators never sent me replies about deletion of my account. The suspension   notice had an option of replying which I used. So the only true statement in your comment  is that mods chose to ignore my messages." CreationDate="2020-04-29T10:21:17.423" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="22036" PostId="4533" Score="0" Text="They did not as Trimble said." CreationDate="2020-04-29T10:33:12.437" UserDisplayName="user6976" />
  <row Id="22037" PostId="4533" Score="5" Text="Once again, Mark, and this is the last time I'll say this: we saw just two private messages from you, **and that's it**. We responded to the first and gave you a link with information on how to delete, and then we chose not to get into a back and forth where you keep asking us to delete your account, because we already said we weren't going to do that. Really, this is getting ridiculous." CreationDate="2020-04-29T10:36:44.077" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22048" PostId="4533" Score="6" Text="Endless rudeness and noise." CreationDate="2020-04-29T20:25:30.600" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="22080" PostId="4543" Score="5" Text="FWIW this could be &quot;no&quot; meaning &quot;not&quot;" CreationDate="2020-05-01T23:49:16.930" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="22081" PostId="4543" Score="4" Text="It is odd, but I wouldn't make any official suggestion of changing it. I would regard a parallel name like &quot;European but not German&quot; as acceptable too." CreationDate="2020-05-02T00:21:57.163" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="22083" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi, I agree that that's probably the meaning, but it still makes me uncomfortable.  But my comfort isn't really the point; I just wanted to check if it eas within community norms." CreationDate="2020-05-02T13:36:29.327" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22084" PostId="4543" Score="1" Text="I am curious as to why it makes you uncomfortable (I could be missing some subtext). My theory about the name is that in real life people just assume they are Chinese and liked this name. I personally find the real names more in bad taste or at the very least annoying." CreationDate="2020-05-02T15:56:54.263" UserDisplayName="user35370" />
  <row Id="22085" PostId="4543" Score="6" Text="@PaulPlummer, I think I must be misunderstanding [your comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4543/strange-username#comment22084_4543)—real names are in bad taste? Anyway, it makes me uncomfortable because I think including racist (in the literal sense) specifiers in names opens the door to conduct that we really don't want to see, and I'd rather cut it off entirely than decide on the dividing line where neutral taste shades into bad.  I appreciate [@‍YCor's suggestion](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/359106/general-upper-bound-of-extinction-probability#comment903749_359106)." CreationDate="2020-05-02T17:10:05.963" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22086" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="Do you mean race identifiers (maybe that is what you mean by literal sense, but I have never seen it used that way)? It isn't racist to call yourself asian (presumable being actually asian). To be honest this seems like related to the squeamishness people who say they are color blind (not in the medical sense). For real names I meant as in the link you gave which is about using real mathematician (largely) names when you are in fact not them. Sure if your name is actually Cantor or whatever, that is fine, but I think we all know that is almost certainly not true." CreationDate="2020-05-02T17:24:03.423" UserDisplayName="user35370" />
  <row Id="22087" PostId="4543" Score="1" Text="Maybe enough people interpret it as racist that it is worth changing though and I can see some arguement about just removing race altogether (but I could also see that as questionable). I would be curious as to what an actual asian person thinks (perhaps you are?)" CreationDate="2020-05-02T17:24:37.760" UserDisplayName="user35370" />
  <row Id="22088" PostId="4543" Score="6" Text="It seems clear to me that it's easy for this username to be interpreted as expressing negativity towards Chinese-ness, and that the user should change it, but I have nothing concrete to say about whether it violates any policy." CreationDate="2020-05-02T17:35:08.890" UserId="43000" />
  <row Id="22089" PostId="4543" Score="2" Text="@PaulPlummer, [yes](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4543/strange-username#comment22086_4543), &quot;race identifier&quot; is what I meant, and I should have said &quot;race or national identifier&quot;.  [I am not Asian](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4543/strange-username#comment22087_4543), but I would be just as uncomfortable with username &quot;Caucasian but not American&quot;, or whatever, or @‍MattF.'s [mention](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4543/strange-username#comment22081_4543) of &quot;European but not German&quot;." CreationDate="2020-05-02T17:38:55.530" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22090" PostId="4543" Score="1" Text="@KevinArlin, thanks for [that point](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4543/strange-username#comment22088_4543). I don't know of *any* policy on user names (which isn't to say that there shouldn't be; maybe there is one but I don't know about it); and, if there is one, I doubt this explicitly violates it.  That's why I spoke only of suggesting that the user change it, which @‍YCor has [done](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/359106/general-upper-bound-of-extinction-probability#comment903749_359106); so, though I am interested in further opinions, I don't find any more action necessary." CreationDate="2020-05-02T17:42:34.263" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22091" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. (as white from US, I think those are different given that I have seen and heard of multiple asians assumed to be Chinese and I imagine that is very frustrating. Never heard of that happening to a white person or European but whatever.)" CreationDate="2020-05-02T17:47:05.600" UserDisplayName="user35370" />
  <row Id="22092" PostId="4543" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure I can answer for any MO policy. A few times I saw new users with names that are not great I suggested to change it. I possibly did it for names that are not problematic but very uninformative such as &quot;0000000000&quot; or &quot;math&quot; (they only convey the information &quot;I didn't think a lot when opening my account&quot;). I possibly did it when I found the username very negative like &quot;DepressedMathematician&quot;. In each case this was not more than suggestion. In the present case I think it's better if OP changes by own choice (seems OP didn't log in since the suggestion). But it can be a flag case." CreationDate="2020-05-02T18:17:11.617" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22093" PostId="4543" Score="8" Text="Just to add my opinion: I too find the user name questionable, and can see how it might have unpleasant racial connotations.  Perhaps nothing of this sort is intended, but changing the name to something neutral would be good anyway." CreationDate="2020-05-02T18:51:51.223" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="22094" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="OP doesn't reappear after 22h, and is not so rare with question by new users. I'd suggest to flag for moderation (maybe after waiting a few more hours)." CreationDate="2020-05-02T21:31:50.837" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22095" PostId="4543" Score="3" Text="Nobody seems to have stated this explicitly yet, but I wonder if some of the discomfort stems from the use of the word &quot;no&quot; to mean &quot;not,&quot; which some people might interpret as making fun of the way some native Chinese speakers speak English. Here's a question for those who are discomfited by &quot;Asian but no Chinese&quot;: would you be equally discomfited by &quot;Asian but not Chinese&quot;? Or is one more discomfiting than the other?" CreationDate="2020-05-02T23:12:28.013" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="22096" PostId="4543" Score="2" Text="@TimothyChow, I took [it](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4543/strange-username#comment22095_4543) to be a simple typo (or language error), not mockery, so it makes no difference to me." CreationDate="2020-05-02T23:26:51.407" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22100" PostId="4543" Score="4" Text="The concerned user was logged in 1 hour ago and didn't modify. I'd suggest to flag for moderation, including a link to this meta post. (Note: my own perception of the username is not affected by the &quot;*no/not*&quot; issue.)" CreationDate="2020-05-03T16:12:00.410" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22101" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="@YCor, given the lack of consensus here, and the fact that moderators can be aware of the issue at least because of this post, I'm not comfortable with flagging; but of course you can, if you feel that it rises to that standard." CreationDate="2020-05-03T16:12:59.817" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22102" PostId="4543" Score="5" Text="I've just flagged. I don't think consensus is needed for flagging (while consensus here would lead to nothing since only moderators can decide anything). I mentioned the discussion here, which moderators can take, or not, in consideration." CreationDate="2020-05-03T16:26:10.573" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22103" PostId="4543" Score="6" Text="OP replied to my request *&quot;Sure I'll change as soon as I can. Since I already changed my username around a month ago, I am currently not able to change, but 4 days later :)&quot;*. A moderator left a comment (unrelated to the user name) after the flag, so moderators considered or are considering the case. At this point the best to do for us is to wait 5 days and leave a reminder then if the user name is still unchanged." CreationDate="2020-05-03T19:38:12.010" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22111" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="Türkis aber kein Türke" CreationDate="2020-05-04T10:58:06.410" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="22082" PostId="4544" Score="1" Text="Since some users reading this might not know the terminology *top-level tag*, I will add these two links: [Why are MO tags formatted as they are?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1457) and [Frequently asked questions about tagging on MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1075#1076). I have also [pinged the tag-creator](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2020/5/2) to make them aware of the discussion on meta." CreationDate="2020-05-02T04:47:32.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22097" PostId="4544" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks for informing me about this discussion on meta. No doubt that factorization theory should *not* have a top-level tag. But concerning the use of &quot;-theory&quot;, I beg to disagree: Please search for &quot;Factorization&quot; at https://www.commalg.org/surveys/. For a relatively long time, this area of research has been viewed as a marginal subfield of commutative algebra, as it used to be almost entirely focused on cancellative commutative monoids (the primary source of examples being integral domains). But the situation has sensibly changed in recent years." CreationDate="2020-05-03T06:41:43.883" UserId="16537" />
  <row Id="22098" PostId="4544" Score="1" Text="@SalvoTringali thanks for your feedback. Please consider creating tag info as you consider this tag as important. Tag excerpt is the most visible and has the main guidelines (maybe check a few existing ones). Tag wiki can include some more info such as link, book reference." CreationDate="2020-05-03T09:28:26.867" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22105" PostId="4550" Score="6" Text="The system using at-sign is a potential source for spamming individuals with irrelevant messages.  To limit its abuse certain restrictions are in place, with the single user being one of them. Perhaps someone will provide a helpful link to documentation about this system.  Gerhard &quot;This Is Where It's At&quot; Paseman, 2020.05.03." CreationDate="2020-05-03T22:51:35.683" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22106" PostId="4550" Score="6" Text="If it's important to cite two users, leave two comments." CreationDate="2020-05-03T22:55:48.250" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="22108" PostId="4550" Score="3" Text="Some related posts: [How do comment replies work? - section: Can I notify more than one person at a time?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/43019), [Allow more than one @name notification per comment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/45273), [comment to two participants, Simultaneously](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3352). This was introduced probably at some point in 2011: [Should we discourage the use of multiple redundant `@username` pings in comments?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2094)" CreationDate="2020-05-04T04:08:59.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22109" PostId="4550" Score="0" Text="Just to clarify - your preference would be to have the situation before this change? (I.e., multiple @username is allowed, but only the first one creates the notification.) Or your preference would be to having possibility to ping several users by the same comment?" CreationDate="2020-05-04T05:01:31.720" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22110" PostId="4550" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: The latter: ping several users in the same comment. But now I see the history behind the restriction." CreationDate="2020-05-04T10:55:36.367" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="22113" PostId="4550" Score="2" Text="Does this answer your question? [Should I be able to notify multiple people with the same comment?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/330/should-i-be-able-to-notify-multiple-people-with-the-same-comment)" CreationDate="2020-05-05T15:05:39.047" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22169" PostId="4553" Score="1" Text="Ahaha, this new username is very accurate.  I like it." CreationDate="2020-05-13T10:52:33.597" UserId="36886" />
  <row Id="22130" PostId="4556" Score="0" Text="Yes, `\;` is one of the spacing characters in Latex.  Generally, you use it between parts of a formula, when you want extra spacing.  $\int f(x)dx$ or $\int f(x)\;dx$ for example.  So this is perhaps an answer to the title of the question rather than an answer to the full text of the question." CreationDate="2020-05-08T13:37:28.757" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="22233" PostId="4556" Score="0" Text="\; (backslash semicolon space) is my go to separator.  Its really useful when I'm building a formula with words rather than math symbols." CreationDate="2020-05-22T02:38:51.560" UserId="157686" />
  <row Id="22131" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="Some other related posts:&#xA;[Data on voting by 'association bonus only' users](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1345),  &#xA;[Measures to separate math overflow from the rest of the stack exchange network](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1305)." CreationDate="2020-05-09T03:50:15.757" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22132" PostId="4557" Score="2" Text="Also choosing [exactly 101-rep users](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1236591/upvotes-by-exactly-101-users) and [at most 101-rep users](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1236590/upvotes-cast-by-101-users) makes the result slightly different." CreationDate="2020-05-09T04:29:35.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22133" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak My code looks like `SELECT SUM(UpVotes) as upvotes FROM Users WHERE Reputation = 101`... I think this is exactly 101 rep users." CreationDate="2020-05-09T05:33:13.003" UserId="157414" />
  <row Id="22134" PostId="4557" Score="1" Text="[Top voters among 101-users](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1236603/top-voters-among-101-users) and [Top voters in total](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1236604/top-upvoters). (I only counted upvotes.) Of course, if we do not want restriction on reputation, we can simply check the list of voters [on the users page](https://mathoverflow.net/users?tab=Voters&amp;filter=all). One thing visible there is that there is a lot of votes help by Community user - with reputation 1." CreationDate="2020-05-09T06:06:15.417" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22135" PostId="4557" Score="4" Text="What makes you say that this is a lot? Actually, if I can see a bias in upvotes, I see it in the way posts from the first months of MO were highly upvoted (were there less restrictions to be allowed to vote?). Some statistics (e.g., number of non-cw questions or answers with $&gt;50$ upvotes) could confirm that it's not just an impression, and to which extent it's true." CreationDate="2020-05-09T08:06:14.293" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22136" PostId="4557" Score="7" Text="A lot of them are coming from the Hot Network Questions list; despite the diverse subjects, the Stack Exchange largely consists of programmers and other people working in the IT business. They generally have some (or quite a lot of) affinity with mathematics, but they won't be able to grasp most of the advanced mathematics here. (I myself am also part of that group.) 'Simple' questions and their answers tend to get more upvotes, especially from 101-rep users." CreationDate="2020-05-09T08:48:39.957" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22151" PostId="4557" Score="2" Text="Among the votes by &quot;low-rep&quot; users, 4582 are by Ali Taghavi, who is &quot;low-rep&quot; only because of having offered [bounties worth a total of 25600 points](https://mathoverflow.net/users/36688/ali-taghavi?tab=bounties)." CreationDate="2020-05-10T15:56:17.240" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="22164" PostId="4557" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl Yes, and there are also 20k votes by the [community user](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-user/info). For these reasons, looking at users with *exactly* 101 reputation probably gives a better idea about votes of users who have reputation only from association bonus." CreationDate="2020-05-12T05:21:40.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22192" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel This suggests me it would be interesting to try a Pagerank-like voting system: upvotes from high-reputation users are worth more." CreationDate="2020-05-16T19:57:24.367" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="22204" PostId="4557" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni: This might tilt the system towards inbreeding, not unlike what is happening in some highly rated mathematics journals (which tend to accept papers the easier the more existing papers in the same journal they relate to) or the domination of reddit by a dozen or so highly active users." CreationDate="2020-05-17T19:47:41.057" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="22138" PostId="4559" Score="0" Text="Further, my understanding is that questions which had bounties once can be closed (some not too long time after the bounty expires).  If you are pointing out the flaw that once bountied, a question can't be closed again, then that discussion should be about the flaw and not about particular questions. Again, I think the direction this meta question suggests is wrong.  Gerhard &quot;Closure Should Be Determined Independently&quot; Paseman, 2020.05.09." CreationDate="2020-05-09T15:00:42.370" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22139" PostId="4559" Score="1" Text="@GerhardPaseman my initial idea was to post about this, but this would have been a duplicate. From the linked meta question, I understand that this was already taken in consideration, i.e., we should consider the situation as granted and cope with it. Also part of your comment to the answer rather concerns this post: I understand what you mean (by &quot;*goes against what I see as the principle of the forum to let the community decide: you are instead inciting a certain kind of action*&quot;) but this is only incitation and such practice [already exists](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/)." CreationDate="2020-05-09T15:14:50.183" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22140" PostId="4559" Score="0" Text="Yes, as inviting to add to content (I consider this positive attention). Encouraging what you believe to be quality content by closing certain questions through comments is one thing, that is part of the current framework. You are proposing to systematize a kind of closing that looks to me like systematizing potential abuse; if I don't like your MathOverflow question, I get a sock puppet to bounty it and then add your question to this list to draw more negative attention to it.  Gerhard &quot;Is Still Not A Fan&quot; Paseman, 2020.05.09." CreationDate="2020-05-09T15:25:45.510" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22141" PostId="4559" Score="2" Text="@GerhardPaseman I'm not sure anybody really would make such a convoluted strategy, especially comparing the audience here on meta vs main site. Also mentioning a question here draws attention, but not necessarily negative. For the unique answer at the moment, the only feedback is yours and its positive." CreationDate="2020-05-09T15:46:18.027" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22142" PostId="4559" Score="1" Text="In case it is interesting in this context, here is [list of bounties which were cancelled by moderators](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1236740/bounties-cancelled-by-moderators). This is a minor modification of [the query suggested by Glorfindel](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/347656/when-a-bounty-is-returned-by-moderator-is-this-shown-in-the-revision-history-t/347657#347657)." CreationDate="2020-05-09T16:28:27.363" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22152" PostId="4559" Score="1" Text="One might consider offering a bounty for the mere purpose of preventing a question from closure as abusive. -- So in such case one might flag as &quot;rude or abusive&quot;." CreationDate="2020-05-10T16:12:57.357" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="22153" PostId="4559" Score="0" Text="Just to be clear about this aspect: that I mention a question here does not mean that I would flag it. In the question linked to as an answer, I don't see any reason to request cancelation of the bounty by moderators, or to suspect that the bounty was made to prevent closure (there are concrete ways to check this). By the way, one could imagine to deal automatically with this, for instance, prevent bountying a question before $3n$ days if it currently has $n=2,3,4$ bounty votes, time being counted from the last vote, and before 3 days after being reopened (durations not seriously thought)." CreationDate="2020-05-10T16:20:21.687" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22162" PostId="4559" Score="0" Text="Currently anyone with 75 rep can set a bounty -- in particular, anyone with 100 rep from the association bonus for being on a different StackExchange site. I would double the requirement to 150 rep instead. https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges" CreationDate="2020-05-11T13:21:26.733" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="22163" PostId="4559" Score="0" Text="@MattF. You might consider supporting this feature request on [meta.se]: [Don't let the association bonus be given away as bounties](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/270400). (It is somewhat similar to your suggestion.) In fact, if you wish to add some attention to it, you might offer a bounty from your association bonus. ;-)" CreationDate="2020-05-12T04:42:39.270" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22165" PostId="4559" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, I have upvoted the request -- thanks!" CreationDate="2020-05-12T14:17:17.937" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="22225" PostId="4559" Score="1" Text="I forget—can questions be manually removed from HNQ?  If so, then maybe we should; it seems to me that this is exactly the kind of question that *doesn't* benefit from having lots of attention drawn to it." CreationDate="2020-05-19T23:07:09.930" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22227" PostId="4559" Score="1" Text="@LSpice I agree with this." CreationDate="2020-05-19T23:10:30.027" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22279" PostId="4559" Score="1" Text="@LSpice A questions can be removed from the HNQ list by a moderator. A regular user can edit a title to include MathJax - this also removes the question from HNQ. See also: [Should moderators in some cases remove a question from the network-wide hot questions list?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4274)" CreationDate="2020-05-31T04:11:46.947" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22160" PostId="4561" Score="0" Text="Some other related posts on [meta.se]: [Why do suspended users have a reputation of one?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/91627) and [What can I do to lift or reduce a suspension?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/316631) (And, of course, there is the FAQ post which was linked in the answer: [My account has been temporarily suspended; what does that mean?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/125268))" CreationDate="2020-05-11T06:22:11.067" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22144" PostId="4562" Score="0" Text="Are there already any plans to fix the wrong displayed reason, or should I open a feature request for that? Documenting &quot;the displayed reason is wrong&quot; in a FAQ instead of fixing the issue seems bad practice." CreationDate="2020-05-10T10:03:37.453" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="22146" PostId="4562" Score="0" Text="I don't think a moderator has ever started a message from the 'promotional content' template and then turned it into a message about voting irregularities. 'For rule violations' is vague but covers about all cases for suspension. I think the FAQ is better off having &quot;so that reason may not necessarily correspond to the actual reason the account was suspended&quot; deleted." CreationDate="2020-05-10T10:07:22.913" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22147" PostId="4562" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I have decided to add a [feature request](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/347680/improve-accuracy-in-the-reasons-for-suspension) on Meta." CreationDate="2020-05-10T10:15:43.723" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="22148" PostId="4562" Score="1" Text="Sure, let's see what happens. I've suggested an edit (while not logged in, of course) to have that sentence removed from the FAQ; I think that unless a moderator is deliberately trying to obscure things, the shown reason is correct at all times." CreationDate="2020-05-10T10:17:54.440" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22149" PostId="4562" Score="1" Text="(Why &quot;while not logged in&quot;?)" CreationDate="2020-05-10T10:18:32.523" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="22150" PostId="4562" Score="1" Text="To check whether others agree with this removal or not." CreationDate="2020-05-10T10:19:31.453" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22238" PostId="4562" Score="0" Text="I've *never* seen a reason given for a suspension here on MathOverflow - just a statement that the user is suspended followed by the expiration date of the suspension." CreationDate="2020-05-23T12:36:53.897" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="22239" PostId="4562" Score="0" Text="@RobertFurber some have been suspended network-wide, and in that case no reason is shown indeed. I found another suspended user here: https://mathoverflow.net/users/10035/t where the reason is shown." CreationDate="2020-05-23T12:41:24.423" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22166" PostId="4565" Score="2" Text="You get notification on your posts. IIRC you get notifications for questions where you have offered a bounty. Also you get comment replies if somebody uses `@username` or if you are the only user who commented: [How do comment @replies work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/43019)" CreationDate="2020-05-12T22:03:02.577" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22167" PostId="4565" Score="0" Text="Did you mean notifications from questions you haven't interacted in any way? (I.e., none of the possibilities mentioned in the previous comment applies and you haven't followed the post.)" CreationDate="2020-05-12T22:03:57.533" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22168" PostId="4565" Score="1" Text="@Martin, yes, that's right.I hadn't interacted in any way." CreationDate="2020-05-13T07:14:56.613" UserId="450" />
  <row Id="22183" PostId="4565" Score="0" Text="Possibly some additional data might be useful here. (At least mentioning which question it was and whether the inbox notification was about a comment or an answer or something else. Maybe also some screenshots.) Even that, I have some doubts whether regular users would be able to help. Maybe people from the Stack Exchange team have some option to log as some specific user when investigating something." CreationDate="2020-05-15T09:01:22.750" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22184" PostId="4565" Score="0" Text="Also, if you are quite confident that you haven't interacted with that post, maybe this could be tagged ([meta-tag:bug]) (instead of or in addition to ([meta-tag:support]))." CreationDate="2020-05-15T09:02:07.530" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22170" PostId="4566" Score="1" Text="I have added the ([meta-tag:specific-question]) tag, see [the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/specific-question/info). (If you want to discuss more general issue and this particular question was meant just as an example, feel free to remove the tag.) Maybe also ([meta-tag:on-topic]) could be considered as a tag for this question - since it is related to the issue whether history questions are on-topic on MO." CreationDate="2020-05-14T07:16:46.727" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22171" PostId="4566" Score="4" Text="An older related discussion (from 2013): [Is there a consensus on whether history of mathematics questions are acceptable on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/394)" CreationDate="2020-05-14T07:18:57.637" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22173" PostId="4566" Score="14" Text="This does not seem to be due to a request of the OP. The question was closed and migrated in the vote-to-close process by four users (the last one being a mod, which is why a fifth was not needed). FWIW, considering the amount of traction the post gained here on MO, I find the migration disruptive and ill-advised." CreationDate="2020-05-14T07:27:41.210" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22174" PostId="4566" Score="3" Text="@EmilJeřábek As far as I can tell, regular users cannot migrate to hsm (it is not among the default migration paths). So some involvement of a moderator is needed in any case if a question is supposed to be migrated to that site. (Just for the reference I'll include link to the [close review](https://mathoverflow.net/review/close/131239) and [revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/359705/revisions).)" CreationDate="2020-05-14T07:31:37.607" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22175" PostId="4566" Score="0" Text="That’s a good point. I was going by the question timeline, which doesn’t show who voted for what, but by your observation, this likely means that the three regular users just voted to close, and the mod unilaterally decided to migrate it instead." CreationDate="2020-05-14T07:35:13.190" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22176" PostId="4566" Score="4" Text="I cannot give a full answer to the question (since I did not execute the migration), but 2 possibly pertinent facts are: (1) there was a comment with 14 upvotes suggesting migration, and (2) the question had been flagged for moderator intervention." CreationDate="2020-05-14T09:01:52.040" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="22177" PostId="4566" Score="5" Text="I'm sensitive to your arguments and tend to agree. However, while I'm happy with such a terminology question on MO, I wouldn't apply your conclusion to all &quot;questions on the history of mathematics&quot;, but only those with enough connection with current research, and excluding questions pertaining to sociology of the research world (e.g., about relationship between French and German mathematicians as in [this recent paper](https://smf.emath.fr/publications/organiser-le-recrutement-de-recenseurs-francais-pour-le-zentralblatt-lautomne-1940-les) published in *&quot;Revue d'histoire des mathématiques&quot;*)..." CreationDate="2020-05-14T12:48:47.790" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22178" PostId="4566" Score="6" Text="... and by &quot;not enough connected with current research&quot;, I'd also mean &quot;antic&quot; history of mathematics, such as study of old enumeration systems, etc. (I refer to subjects that exist in current research in history of science.) At the opposite I'd be happy on MO with questions about partly old-fashioned mathematics (e.g., involving 19th century algebra, etc.) if they're of elaborate mathematical level." CreationDate="2020-05-14T12:51:43.443" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22179" PostId="4566" Score="1" Text="@YCor, &quot;[antic](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4566/why-was-the-origins-of-the-word-elliptic-migrated-to-hsm#comment22178_4566)&quot; = &quot;antique&quot;, or really &quot;[antic](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/antic#Adjective)&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-05-14T16:14:02.700" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22180" PostId="4566" Score="3" Text="@LSpice thanks for correcting :) I mean antique = ancient. I thought of checking this word before posting my comment and then got distracted while browsing journals of history of math." CreationDate="2020-05-14T16:15:55.910" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22193" PostId="4566" Score="0" Text="As a first idea, I would assume that if some researchers left (or never joined) that site it's because they do not want to see HSM questions (anymore). Is that not the case? Is there some issue or back-story that I am missing about that site? In which sense it did not live up to expectations? Otherwise, why do you suggest to show forcibly HSM questions to people who voluntarily opted out of them?" CreationDate="2020-05-16T20:04:36.127" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="22194" PostId="4566" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni as far as I know, some left because the quality of contributions was not of the expected level. Maybe also because 1.5 questions per day, of which only a fraction is mathematics related, does not make it a very attractive site to check out regularly. &quot;show forcibly HSM questions ...&quot; seems like a silly question. For most MO users there is a big part of MO questions that they ignore, since it's not their area of expertise." CreationDate="2020-05-16T21:31:51.550" UserId="745" />
  <row Id="22196" PostId="4566" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni There is clear consensus on https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/394/is-there-a-consensus-on-whether-history-of-mathematics-questions-are-acceptable that (at last some kind of) questions on history of mathematics are on-topic for MO, hence the only way of “opting out” of them is stop using MO." CreationDate="2020-05-17T06:25:13.247" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22199" PostId="4566" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek That meta question and András Batkái's answer precede by long the creation of HSM.se; most of the upvotes that form that 'consensus' were accumulated before there was an alternative. OTOH, my answer was given *after* HSM appeared, and is currently at +8/-7; I think the data show that there is *no* clear consensus in favor of history questions; our community is split." CreationDate="2020-05-17T07:07:49.780" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="22200" PostId="4566" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni Your answer was posted on 2019-06-06, and since then acquired a score of **+1** (+8/-7). Since the same day, András Batkái's answer accumulated a score of **+6** (+8/-2). So yes, this shows a clear consensus that history question remain on-topic despite the existence of hsm." CreationDate="2020-05-17T07:19:52.913" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22201" PostId="4566" Score="1" Text="And note that counting the votes for András Batkái's answer only since 2019-06-06 unfairly underestimates the upvotes, as it ignores everybody who upvoted the answer previously and does not want to change their mind." CreationDate="2020-05-17T07:32:31.677" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22202" PostId="4566" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Thanks; I did not know it was possible to look at vote breakdowns by time! Anyway, those numbers still do not look like a &quot;clear consensus&quot; to me. People who had already upvoted András's answer could still have downvoted mine, so they are reflected in those data. My interpretation is still that the community is split. I would advise you to open a new &quot;poll&quot; question that reflects the updated state of things, if you wish to use its results as a supporting argument." CreationDate="2020-05-17T07:40:42.627" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="22203" PostId="4566" Score="0" Text="Daily vote breakdowns are now available in a post’s timeline." CreationDate="2020-05-17T07:51:41.580" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22221" PostId="4566" Score="7" Text="@EmilJeřábek Re: *hence the only way of “opting out” of them is stop using MO.* Strictly speaking, one could add ([tag:ho.history-overview]) to the [ignored tags](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/ignored-tags/info) as a way to opt out. (That's merely a technicality and only tangential to the issue discussed here, but maybe this information might be useful for somebody.)" CreationDate="2020-05-19T07:38:43.123" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22266" PostId="4566" Score="7" Text="HSM mod here. We've seen the flags now and are making a decision about what to do. We'll let you know what we end up going with. Thanks for flagging it." CreationDate="2020-05-27T14:31:53.583" UserId="74879" />
  <row Id="22181" PostId="4567" Score="4" Text="On Stack Exchange, apart from Q&amp;A site there are also chatrooms. You can look at some rooms associated with [math.se]: [List of chatrooms](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/26814). Of the [rooms associated with MO](https://chat.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&amp;sort=active&amp;host=mathoverflow.net) only [Homotopy Theory](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9417) seems to be rather active. See also: [Specialized chat rooms](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/355), &#xA;You can also check out some of the links mentioned here: [Useful mathematical fora](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/95787)." CreationDate="2020-05-14T17:04:30.527" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22185" PostId="4567" Score="0" Text="I agree with Martin.  Lots of suggestions at https://math.stackexchange.com/q/95787/442" CreationDate="2020-05-15T10:03:38.473" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="22186" PostId="4567" Score="1" Text="@GeraldEdgar chat rooms here are limited by time. In sci.math I found only garbage. Some other links lead to either low-populated sites or school help sites..." CreationDate="2020-05-15T23:18:08.290" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="22187" PostId="4567" Score="0" Text="I am not sure what you mean by &quot;chat rooms are limit by time&quot;. It is true that if a room is completely silent, it gets [frozen](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/frozen-rooms/info) after 14 days. (7 days if only a single user used the room.) However, if you talk in the room once a week, you can keep it indefinitely. Maybe you meant something else. Anyway, if needed we can discuss it [further in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19138/2020/5/16) - so that we do not digress too much from the original question." CreationDate="2020-05-16T04:51:02.117" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22188" PostId="4567" Score="0" Text="This also reminded me of an older question here on Meta MathOverflow: [Any other site besides mathoverflow and mathematics stackexchange?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1181)" CreationDate="2020-05-16T05:34:41.663" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22214" PostId="4567" Score="2" Text="What is &quot;discussing math ideas&quot; for you? Reading recent articles on a very specific topic and discussing research trends? Commenting expositions on math blogs such as Terence Tao's, or 3blue1brown's Youtube videos? Recreational math articles such as the ones in the Mathematical Intelligencer? Math Olympiad problems and puzzles? Discussing methods to square the circle and comparing each other's proof of the Riemann Hypothesis?" CreationDate="2020-05-18T10:32:15.690" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="22182" PostId="4568" Score="10" Text="There is [scicomp.se] on Stack Exchange network. However, I am not very familiar with that site, so I am not the right person to judge what kind of question is on-topic/off-topic there." CreationDate="2020-05-14T18:52:27.033" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22189" PostId="4568" Score="4" Text="I am sure you can ask this here if you ask for advice/methods. If you look for a software, then this may not be the right place." CreationDate="2020-05-16T08:47:12.500" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="22190" PostId="4568" Score="1" Text="I know there've been some issues with some past MO questions not being received well, so I really appreciate your taking the time to gauge the mood of the community about what questions are welcome and would do well." CreationDate="2020-05-16T19:26:28.677" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22191" PostId="4568" Score="3" Text="@LSpice I'm reevaluating myself wrt standards of MO ." CreationDate="2020-05-16T19:32:42.297" UserId="156441" />
  <row Id="22195" PostId="4568" Score="4" Text="One thing you should have in your question (regardless whether or not you post to MO) is what does &quot;high accuracy&quot; mean.  Do you want the answer to one significant digit?  10?  10^10? etc." CreationDate="2020-05-17T02:34:00.997" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="22198" PostId="4568" Score="2" Text="This type of numerical analysis question can be rather interesting, when phrased in a general way, say about fast-converging series that calculate the integrand over a wide range of values." CreationDate="2020-05-17T06:44:43.777" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22269" PostId="4568" Score="0" Text="I agree with David Roberts. The [SIAM 100-digit challenge problems](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred-dollar,_Hundred-digit_Challenge_problems) amply demonstrate that high-precision numerical calculations can be extremely interesting from a mathematical point of view." CreationDate="2020-05-28T23:26:34.313" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="22206" PostId="4569" Score="2" Text="Perhaps try in the MO search field e.g. `user:25510 &quot;bezout theorem&quot;`, which should result in https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=user%3A25510+%22bezout+theorem%22, with two hits from 2014." CreationDate="2020-05-18T00:26:50.410" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="22207" PostId="4569" Score="2" Text="@jeq: your tip is truly amazing. On the top of my screen (of my user page) I see a black stip in which it is written &quot;Search Math overflow&quot;. When I enter user25510 &quot;bezout theorem&quot;, it gives nothing. It never gives anything at all, whatever I enter after user 25510. However if I enter the address https://mathoverflow.net/search to my browser, then I really obtain the search screen which works. Thanks for showing me this secret link." CreationDate="2020-05-18T02:59:04.710" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="22208" PostId="4569" Score="0" Text="I always enter MO through this page https://mathoverflow.net/ or through this page https://mathoverflow.net/users/25510/alexandre-eremenko. Where on any of them is a link to https://mathoverflow.net/search?? All I see is a black strip in the top which looks like search. But when I enter user:25510 &quot;bezout theorem&quot;, it DOES NOT find anything." CreationDate="2020-05-18T03:08:10.973" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="22209" PostId="4569" Score="1" Text="@jeq I will add that you can also add &quot;is:a&quot; to only list answers. And when somebody searches for his own posts, they can use &quot;user:me&quot; instead of number: https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=user%3Ame+%22bezout+theorem%22+is%3Aa" CreationDate="2020-05-18T04:57:34.353" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22210" PostId="4569" Score="0" Text="@AlexandreEremenko I did exactly what you describe. (I.e., entered the string into the &quot;black strip&quot;.) I got the search results as expected: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0l4hu.png I got exactly the same thing as if I go directly to: https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=user%3A25510+%22bezout+theorem%22" CreationDate="2020-05-18T05:21:09.370" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22211" PostId="4569" Score="0" Text="If you want a more compact view listing all answers, you can also use [SEDE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info). (Although the data in SEDE are only updated once a week.) List of [all answers](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1234440/all-answers-by-a-specific-user?userid=25510) and [all answers including tags](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1239813/all-answers-by-a-specific-user-including-tags?userid=25510)." CreationDate="2020-05-18T05:26:49.033" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22212" PostId="4569" Score="0" Text="@AlexandreEremenko Now I noticed that you wrote `user25510` in your fisrt comment. You should use `user:25510` instead (with colon). In fact, if you go [to your profile](https://mathoverflow.net/users/25510/alexandre-eremenko), this is already prepared there. See also: [How to intersect users and tags?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4051) and [How do I search my own answers.](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21959) on [math.meta.se]. (The first link has also a screenshot, also it is done in the old interface.)" CreationDate="2020-05-18T05:30:51.070" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22213" PostId="4569" Score="0" Text="Since searching was discussed a bit, I will also add a link to this FAQ post on [math.meta.se]: [How to search on this site?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/29265#29266)" CreationDate="2020-05-18T05:56:48.353" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22215" PostId="4569" Score="1" Text="Thanks to all who answered. This was helpful." CreationDate="2020-05-18T13:14:42.023" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="22223" PostId="4572" Score="1" Text="I guess the [tag-info for this tag on Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/tags/2-categories/info) could be used as a start." CreationDate="2020-05-19T17:53:10.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22224" PostId="4572" Score="1" Text="Actually this is a quotation of Wikipedia (with reference to WIkipedia), so we can just copy it. Actually this tag doesn't seem to be an issue, since it has a precise focussed meaning. In general, a tag-info is particularly important if the scope of the tag is not obvious (e.g., is more than just what is written, or is less, in particular when there are several meanings). In practice, the more a tag is misused, the more a tag-info is needed." CreationDate="2020-05-19T21:42:46.330" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22257" PostId="4572" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: What's the point of copying descriptions from Wikipedia?  How does it help one to decide whether to use the tag or not?" CreationDate="2020-05-26T04:39:02.970" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="22258" PostId="4572" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov Indeed, for the guidance about the usage of the tag the info from Wikipedia does not help. I assume that the OP of this questions suggested to create the tag-info mainly as a place where some basic info is collected (and/or links to more/info). For such purpose, links to Wikipedia, nLab, etc., might be useful." CreationDate="2020-05-26T05:43:37.293" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22259" PostId="4572" Score="0" Text="In connection with MO it is worth stressing that some attribution to source of the text should be included, since in the past some tag-wikis were created without that. Se also: [Recent suggested tag wiki edits](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2849) and [Should tag-wiki include a source where it is taken from?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3547)" CreationDate="2020-05-26T05:44:06.007" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22277" PostId="4572" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak: I do not think that it is appropriate to use the tag info as a “place where some basic info is collected (and/or links to more/info)”.  This directly contradicts the guidelines posted at https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/03/24/redesigned-tags-page/, which explicitly state “Avoid generically defining the concept behind a tag, unless it is highly specialized”." CreationDate="2020-05-30T22:44:57.457" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="22278" PostId="4572" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov That's a very reasonable point. OTOH when we look at how tag-infos are actually used on MO, many of them copy-paste material from elsewhere. As you pointed out here: [Recent suggested tag wiki edits](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2849#2854)." CreationDate="2020-05-31T00:15:28.397" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22228" PostId="4574" Score="1" Text="Older posts on this meta which are (to some extent) related: [How to contact a MathOverflow user?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3634),&#xA;[Community standard for contacting users off of MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2038) and&#xA;[Should we request a Private Message system?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/663)." CreationDate="2020-05-21T15:27:37.440" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22229" PostId="4574" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak thanks a lot for these helpful links! Very much appreciated. Thank you for your support" CreationDate="2020-05-21T17:10:45.883" UserId="156936" />
  <row Id="22230" PostId="4575" Score="0" Text="thanks a lot for your answer. Helps me a lot to move forward. I would never have had the idea to use the user page for this. Thanks again!" CreationDate="2020-05-21T17:18:52.903" UserId="156936" />
  <row Id="22231" PostId="4575" Score="1" Text="Yes. Promoting yourself overtly on the Q and A part of the forum (or active solicitation) is discouraged.  On the user page, think of it as a combo of LinkedIn and Facebook, but make your point briefly. You can do more promotion and solicitation on the user (and outside linked) pages.  Gerhard &quot;Like A Big Business Card&quot; Paseman, 2020.05.21." CreationDate="2020-05-21T18:15:16.570" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22232" PostId="4575" Score="1" Text="I think your comment really saved me .. I am glad I asked this question before just trying something out, and glad that I received your and M Sleziak's help. thanks again. By the way I like all your middle names, have seen a lot of them now and they really give great summaries" CreationDate="2020-05-21T18:23:01.157" UserId="156936" />
  <row Id="22234" PostId="4576" Score="2" Text="It would be helpful to be able to generate such a curve in higher resolution and for a longer period, but unfortunately I don't know how to do it. In my case the curve I can see in the same period is quite close to being affine." CreationDate="2020-05-22T11:57:56.697" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22235" PostId="4576" Score="0" Text="@YCor There's supposed to be the (mostly hidden) `https://stackexchangewebsite.com/reputation` page, with a dated list of one's own reputation changes, but I'm not sure how to visualize it the most easily." CreationDate="2020-05-22T12:39:11.167" UserId="158449" />
  <row Id="22236" PostId="4576" Score="8" Text="since old questions and answers can still acquire reputation, presumably at a constant rate, I would argue that the &quot;typical reputation curve&quot; for an inactive user is a linear increase, and activity is signalled by a superlinear increase." CreationDate="2020-05-22T13:53:14.273" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="22246" PostId="4576" Score="7" Text="@YCor You can see similar reputation curves for an arbitrary user by clicking on Network profile on the user page and then selecting the reputation tab. For instance yours is on https://stackexchange.com/users/1637952/ycor?tab=reputation . You can click on the name of a site in the legend to remove it from the plot (and get a better-fitting scale)." CreationDate="2020-05-24T17:36:19.770" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="22247" PostId="4576" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Wow!" CreationDate="2020-05-24T18:19:19.457" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="22248" PostId="4576" Score="0" Text="@mypronounismonicareinstate, that link https://stackexchangewebsite.com/reputation doesn't seem to work, at least for me …." CreationDate="2020-05-24T18:53:40.910" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22249" PostId="4576" Score="3" Text="@LSpice: replace &quot;stackexchangewebsite.com&quot; with &quot;mathoverflow.net&quot; (or any other SE site). :-)" CreationDate="2020-05-25T00:34:05.630" UserId="108637" />
  <row Id="22253" PostId="4576" Score="21" Text="You're just doing your part to flatten the curve." CreationDate="2020-05-25T13:04:07.567" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="22265" PostId="4576" Score="2" Text="Stackexchange makes reputation, user, post, and vote data available for download. If I am reading their data model correctly, you could build a reasonable reconstruction of each user's reputation curve, then take the average. https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/queries" CreationDate="2020-05-27T12:30:39.677" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="22270" PostId="4576" Score="2" Text="@SamHopkins Judging by upvotes, obviously yours is a clever remark, but I am too stupid for it. Could you please explain to the poor guy here what do you mean?" CreationDate="2020-05-29T08:02:51.360" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="22274" PostId="4576" Score="1" Text="@Neal Going along with this, you would want to consider whether to include/exclude inactive users (those who haven't done anything to gain/lose reputation for n years). If you include those, I suspect the curve will be mostly flat due to the large number of zero/one time question askers/answerers on the site. For example, there are ~110,000 users on the site, but the all time reputation league only tracks ~7500." CreationDate="2020-05-29T21:21:57.697" UserId="145717" />
  <row Id="22275" PostId="4576" Score="2" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე: &quot;flattening the curve&quot; is an expression that's been used lately to describe strategies (social distancing, etc.) to combat COVID-19." CreationDate="2020-05-30T15:39:21.507" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="22276" PostId="4576" Score="0" Text="@SamHopkins Oh my. I see, thanks :)" CreationDate="2020-05-30T17:10:30.710" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="22289" PostId="4576" Score="0" Text="The study of the average reputation curve could be split out into exogenous and endogenous factors. Exogenous factors might include answers per day, and what fields a user usually answers in. For endogenous factors, one might try to predict the number of upvotes each answer receives in terms of: how many other answers on the question, number of upvotes on the question, number of views on the question, the question's tags, the user's reputation, the question asker's question... Put these together and you have an idea how a user's reputation will grow given their interests and habits." CreationDate="2020-06-02T14:30:01.730" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="22295" PostId="4576" Score="5" Text="@YCor like this? https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1170724/reputation-graph?UserId=14094#graph It's not 100% accurate since reputation lost by downvotes given to answer isn't accounted for, but it comes reasonably close (it does account for the daily reputation cap of 200, for instance)." CreationDate="2020-06-03T20:48:21.057" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22237" PostId="4577" Score="5" Text="I don't think this really is a computational question.  Unless I screwed something up you can get the asymptotics by purely analytical methods -- I wrote up the answer at the other foruma https://scicomp.stackexchange.com/a/35209/36112" CreationDate="2020-05-23T05:47:14.510" UserId="327" />
  <row Id="22243" PostId="4577" Score="2" Text="@LiorSilberman thanks a lot for that answer! it was actually a very interesting approach – I was not able to find any problems with it. While it might not be computational, analytical methods are a part of computational science. IMHO, this type of questions belongs to both communities and allows experts from both fields to add their insight." CreationDate="2020-05-23T18:13:21.907" UserId="121862" />
  <row Id="22240" PostId="4578" Score="5" Text="I will just mention that it is possible to include a direct link to the search. It seems that there are [14 posts on MO](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3A%22*.gmane.*%22) and [6 posts on Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/search?q=url%3A%22*.gmane.*%22) with such links. Comments with gmane.org [8 comments on MO](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/556789/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author?word=gmane.org) and [three on MSE](https://data.stackexchange.com/math/query/556789/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author?word=gmane.org)." CreationDate="2020-05-23T14:19:16.753" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22251" PostId="4578" Score="1" Text="I emailed Bob Rosebrugh, the admin of the categories mailing list to which these links point, to see what the plans are for the post-2009 archive. Everything from 1990 to July 2009 is available here: https://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/archive/ - perhaps an enterprising soul could extract out that info and host it somewhere in a nice format...." CreationDate="2020-05-25T11:03:23.847" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22252" PostId="4578" Score="2" Text="More of a worry is references to specific 'categories' emails (once) hosted on gmane in published books! I found four on the first page of google search results..." CreationDate="2020-05-25T11:09:34.460" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22244" PostId="4579" Score="0" Text="Thanks for doing this. Of course, I tried this with the example from the question first, and when it failed, I (wrongly) assumed it wouldn't work for anything else. We still need a solution for the rest that are only accessible via NNTP through news.gmane.io." CreationDate="2020-05-24T01:00:30.963" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="22245" PostId="4579" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure what the copyright on these things is, but you might be able to upload them somewhere else (for text-based files, I usually use https://gist.github.com/)." CreationDate="2020-05-24T09:17:38.297" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22250" PostId="4579" Score="0" Text="For those mystified by the end of Robert's comment, gmane itself has a new url, see: https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2020/01/15/news-gmane-org-is-now-news-gmane-io/" CreationDate="2020-05-25T10:59:46.770" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22254" PostId="4581" Score="3" Text="Thank you for taking initiative. However, I am skeptical this will work. We can’t really come to hsm and ask them to give us the question back; it is their question now, and since it does fit into the topic of hsm, they are unlikely to get rid of it." CreationDate="2020-05-25T19:26:05.410" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22255" PostId="4581" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek I have no idea of the chances that it might work, and not sure they really want to keep it as &quot;frozen&quot; over there; anyway it's easy to try." CreationDate="2020-05-25T19:51:58.073" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22283" PostId="4581" Score="1" Text="it worked, the question is back on MO --- https://mathoverflow.net/questions/359705/the-origins-of-the-word-elliptic" CreationDate="2020-06-01T10:36:46.227" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="22284" PostId="4581" Score="0" Text="@CarloBeenakker thanks for the info! Now it's back on MO I get more info about the timeline. On May 13 it was closed-migrated (by 4 votes, the 4th being by a moderator). Today (11h ago) the migration was rejected (the technical way to HSM to give it back to MO, possibly after flags as suggested here). Then if I understand correctly, the question came back to MO as a closed question. 7h-1h ago it was reviewed with 2 votes to reopen, and 1 to leave closed. Then it was reopened based on 5 votes. (Looks like it was reopened twice consecutively, I'm not sure what happened.)" CreationDate="2020-06-01T12:03:03.357" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22256" PostId="4582" Score="13" Text="You shouldn't worry about cross-posting at this point: enough time has elapsed. I'm not completely sure that MO is the right home, but I don't think there is harm in trying." CreationDate="2020-05-26T03:03:41.507" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22260" PostId="4582" Score="7" Text="I would include the formula for the angular momentum, at which point the question seems pretty much self-contained and not relying on any physics assumptions." CreationDate="2020-05-26T05:52:37.547" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22261" PostId="4582" Score="8" Text="I think @ToddTrimble would have said if this were so, so maybe I'm mistaken, but my understanding is that what is discouraged is not _ever_ having a problem on both MSE and MO, but posting it on both fora _simultaneously_.  That is, giving a problem a chance on MSE, but then moving it to MO (if appropriate) if it gets no response, is not an abuse but exactly the way it's meant to work (again, as long as the question is genuinely research-level)." CreationDate="2020-05-26T14:29:37.640" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22262" PostId="4582" Score="1" Text="@LSpice thanks for that. A major concern with cross-posting is answer fragmentation, which in this case is not a high risk and once (if) an answer appears on one site I can just start the close process on the other." CreationDate="2020-05-26T14:49:49.540" UserId="96907" />
  <row Id="22263" PostId="4582" Score="5" Text="@uhoh To help avoid the possibility of answer fragmentation, I suggest you add links between your current question on Math SE and any possible new question on MathOverflow. This way, users can check the question on the other site to see what's been commented on, &amp; possibly answered, with this helping to avoid the user possibly duplicating efforts." CreationDate="2020-05-27T06:14:55.733" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="22264" PostId="4582" Score="1" Text="Thank you all; I will post an edited version in MO in a day or so." CreationDate="2020-05-27T09:28:27.640" UserId="96907" />
  <row Id="22267" PostId="4583" Score="2" Text="FWIW, gmane.io uses NNTP and should be accessible using any [Newsreader](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders), not necessarily `Gnus`. (If you are familiar with the `Pine` or `Mutt` email programs, I would suggest `slrn` which has a similar interface.)" CreationDate="2020-05-28T02:03:38.927" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="22268" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="Is there any way to mass-extract material from a mailing list for archival elsewhere? I'm completely ignorant of NNTP and newsreader software." CreationDate="2020-05-28T02:38:29.203" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22280" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts I'm sure it's technically possible to do so. However, it would cost money for web hosting, and there are potential legal difficulties because I think the law supposes that copyright is retained by the author unless there is an explicit statement otherwise. This is why I've sought suggestions from others." CreationDate="2020-05-31T11:43:17.673" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="22305" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="@RobertFurber mere cost for web hosting is a separate issue from the technical problem of getting a file with the old emails in it. The first can be solved by anyone with the money, or even just an existing website etc. The second is a genuine problem that it is not clear one can solve. Copyright issues are separate again. Bob Rosebrugh is interested in getting a copy of the post-2009 emails, and he runs the list, so I'm sure if the file got to him the rest of the problems would be less of an issue." CreationDate="2020-06-05T04:06:16.953" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22285" PostId="4585" Score="0" Text="Presumably this is a matter of filing a request to the staff and asking them to reprocess old posts." CreationDate="2020-06-02T02:25:13.410" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="22317" PostId="4585" Score="0" Text="On the other hand, linked questions are the crack cocaine of MO.  Any time I look at a question and happen to glance at the linked questions, I am guaranteed to lose half an hour to following the links." CreationDate="2020-06-07T12:52:04.667" UserId="3711" />
  <row Id="22281" PostId="4587" Score="3" Text="A related older post: [Questions answered in a comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/493)." CreationDate="2020-06-01T07:41:07.550" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22282" PostId="4587" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak but that question already have many answers, along with an accepted answer..." CreationDate="2020-06-01T07:44:02.357" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="22287" PostId="4587" Score="5" Text="Yes, it's encouraged. Usually I do so after suggesting to the commenter to write an answer and waiting for a few days. Conversely it occurred to me to write an answer after being encouraged to do so after a comment (preferably cw if it's just a reference)." CreationDate="2020-06-02T14:15:22.657" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22288" PostId="4587" Score="0" Text="@YCor &quot;and waiting for a few days.&quot; +1 Ok.." CreationDate="2020-06-02T14:25:09.033" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="22290" PostId="4587" Score="0" Text="PS I was mainly addressing the case of a question answered in comments. You should do this only if there is good reason to promote the question to an answer. For instance, if it's a good alternative answer. Maybe also if it fixes or improves the existing answer, in case the answerer doesn't want to modify the answer. Or possibly for some other reason (would you point to the post(s) you have in mind?)" CreationDate="2020-06-02T14:33:56.740" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22291" PostId="4587" Score="0" Text="@YCor I am referring to comment https://mathoverflow.net/questions/119699/grothendieck-topology-for-a-non-small-category/119814#comment307645_119708" CreationDate="2020-06-02T15:08:21.727" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="22292" PostId="4587" Score="0" Text="Isn't it fine as a comment?" CreationDate="2020-06-02T15:32:35.367" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22293" PostId="4587" Score="0" Text="@YCor The point that sheafification functor may not exists for a large category seems (to me) to be an important thing and that is what Urs said in his comment.. It has not mentioned in any of the answer, not even in Urs's answer.. So, I thought of making a CW answer.. Is that fine or should I leave it as it is?" CreationDate="2020-06-02T15:48:49.007" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="22294" PostId="4587" Score="0" Text="Sure, this seems to be a good complementary answer then." CreationDate="2020-06-02T17:20:16.417" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22296" PostId="4590" Score="1" Text="Have a look at https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/617/best-of-mathoverflow-or-papers-inspired-by-mathoverflow" CreationDate="2020-06-04T10:45:01.903" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22298" PostId="4590" Score="1" Text="Maybe you should tell us what else you've seen, so we don't waste our time and yours telling you things you already know." CreationDate="2020-06-04T10:53:43.253" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22303" PostId="4590" Score="1" Text="I see that you have said thank you [in the MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2020/6/4) - that seems like a reasonable place." CreationDate="2020-06-05T03:43:08.317" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22304" PostId="4590" Score="0" Text="Thanks @MartinSleziak. Makes sense." CreationDate="2020-06-05T03:44:48.373" UserId="14414" />
  <row Id="22311" PostId="4590" Score="1" Text="I'd select one question or one answer that was especially helpful, and post a comment there saying &quot;thanks; this was especially helpful in writing&quot;, followed by the link. That shows people where the discussions here can go." CreationDate="2020-06-05T16:13:44.403" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="22300" PostId="4592" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Gerhard for your thorough and detailed answer; it is now much clearer to me how to interact with the community. Not being a researcher myself but a grad student of Appl. Math. one thing I still am unsure of is how to discriminate between _homework routines_ and _forefront topics_. For example: [this one](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/362166/symmetry-of-weights-in-newton-cotes-quadrature-formula) I understand, from you answer, is more suitable for MSE whereas [this](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/351834/interior-point-of-a-convex-polytope) is for MO right?" CreationDate="2020-06-04T19:51:04.877" UserId="151189" />
  <row Id="22301" PostId="4592" Score="4" Text="Both are good questions.  If mathematicians do their jobs of understanding and explaining well, today's research becomes tomorrow's homework.  The emphasis however is not on homework versus research. It is instead on being useful to the community or clogging up the information pipe.  Practice writing well.  A good homework exposition may influence future research by inspiring the right questions.  If you are unsure, ask on meta for an opinion on the writing.  Gerhard &quot;Always Looking For Good Content&quot; Paseman, 2020.06.04." CreationDate="2020-06-04T21:20:29.100" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22309" PostId="4592" Score="0" Text="Will do, thanks again for your patience." CreationDate="2020-06-05T08:39:25.370" UserId="151189" />
  <row Id="22302" PostId="4593" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the answer, and the reminder; will do so today." CreationDate="2020-06-04T22:22:45.950" UserId="96907" />
  <row Id="22306" PostId="4593" Score="0" Text="@uhoh when you post on MO, it would be helpful to edit your question above and add a link to the new post." CreationDate="2020-06-05T04:08:19.693" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22307" PostId="4593" Score="4" Text="The purpose of this linking is to avoid the situation where the same question has an answer on one of the pages and then someone finds the open question on the other page and spends time thinking about an already answered question." CreationDate="2020-06-05T06:08:39.303" UserId="3969" />
  <row Id="22312" PostId="4594" Score="0" Text="It seems to be working now. What exactly was the problem at the time of the post? For people unfamiliar with StackPrinter, I'll add that this website is mentioned here: [Printer-friendly versions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/505) For example, this is what I get for this question: http://www.stackprinter.com/export?question=4594&amp;service=meta.mathoverflow" CreationDate="2020-06-06T01:58:56.503" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22313" PostId="4594" Score="0" Text="As a site not, ([meta-tag:export]) seems like a suitable tag here. But since all five spotes are already used, I was not sure which of the used tags to replace (if any)." CreationDate="2020-06-06T01:59:47.933" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22315" PostId="4594" Score="1" Text="Maybe somebody else can can confirm whether they can access the site. I have also checked [Down for Everyone or Just Me](https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/stackprinter.com), which says that StackPrinter is up." CreationDate="2020-06-07T06:01:25.113" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22316" PostId="4594" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: I suppose there is something wrong with my connection... I can't still access the site: Chrome is my default browser and I get an &quot;ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT&quot; message after any attempt I make to enter it. Thanks a lot for your comments." CreationDate="2020-06-07T06:03:23.650" UserId="1593" />
  <row Id="22318" PostId="4594" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: It seems to be working fine today!" CreationDate="2020-06-07T21:11:55.223" UserId="1593" />
  <row Id="22348" PostId="4602" Score="0" Text="I will add that there are [33 deleted questions with this tag](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/883845/deleted-questions-with-a-given-tag?Tagname=research). Some other stats (in case some of them are useful): https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2020/6/13" CreationDate="2020-06-13T13:16:52.543" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22349" PostId="4602" Score="6" Text="I'd support deleting it, it has no coherent or useful use I can think of. It's small enough to be done manually, btw (unfortunately moderators mostly ignore now requests about tags)." CreationDate="2020-06-13T14:45:56.650" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25828" PostId="4602" Score="4" Text="I've set it to status-review so the burnination process can take place soon." CreationDate="2021-05-12T12:24:53.677" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26191" PostId="4602" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila what is the conclusion now that this is [status-completed]? There are still questions at https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/research, unless the burninator takes time to work through the questions." CreationDate="2021-07-13T07:31:03.223" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26192" PostId="4602" Score="0" Text="@David: I think that it was blacklisted. I'll see what's next for us on this (without manually editing all of the questions)." CreationDate="2021-07-13T08:31:52.927" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26210" PostId="4602" Score="1" Text="As it's status-completed it would be useful to have an acceptable answer summarizing the status completion." CreationDate="2021-07-22T14:46:44.023" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22353" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="“Process of research” is a reasonable suggestion" CreationDate="2020-06-14T05:12:33.567" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="22370" PostId="4603" Score="1" Text="Let me point out that there is already a better tag for such general questions as you describe -- namely, soft-question. As far as finer categorization of a question is appropriate, just add a subject-specific tag like e.g. gr.group-theory, pr.probability or whatever." CreationDate="2020-06-18T09:28:37.943" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="22354" PostId="4607" Score="5" Text="See e.g. https://mathoverflow.net/a/361870 for an older example. The behaviour seems to be that in a CW post, if an answer was written only by one user, it displays their user name linked to the revision history, whereas if there are revisions by multiple users, it displays “X revs, Y users Z%” linked to the revision history, and a user name (of the user who contributed most) linked to their profile. The question you linked to is special in that it is very recent, hence no answer was edited by more than one user." CreationDate="2020-06-16T06:29:59.190" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22355" PostId="4607" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Clever! So it really is a bug then?" CreationDate="2020-06-16T07:14:05.217" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="22356" PostId="4607" Score="2" Text="I’d say so. If it is intentional design decision, it is quite confusing and inconsistent. (Apart from the links, also the “Z%” logically belongs to the next line to the user name.)" CreationDate="2020-06-16T07:26:45.610" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22357" PostId="4607" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Could it be something recent? 23 hours ago some of my entries got hit by something named `Commonmark migration`. One of these displays the above behaviour." CreationDate="2020-06-16T07:31:40.567" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="22358" PostId="4607" Score="1" Text="CommonMark migration is [this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/348746/were-switching-to-commonmark). There is no reason for this to affect page design." CreationDate="2020-06-16T08:03:42.940" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22359" PostId="4607" Score="0" Text="@Emil Right, thanks. Seems to have nothing to do with my question." CreationDate="2020-06-16T08:13:26.460" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="22360" PostId="4607" Score="5" Text="[meta.se]: [User names on community wiki posts link to revision histories if they're never edited](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/303967) and [Clicking User's Name Leads Me to Editing History of Question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/253972), [math.meta.se]: [User name incorrectly linked to revision history](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/13785)" CreationDate="2020-06-16T08:42:45.960" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22361" PostId="4607" Score="3" Text="Interestingly, this post is marked ([meta-tag:status-completed]): [User names on community wiki posts should link to profile pages (like they do everywhere else)](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/179719#comment548676_179719). But the comments explain that it does not work if the CW post haven't been edited." CreationDate="2020-06-16T08:44:29.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22362" PostId="4607" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek I might have missed something, but in the CW posts that I have tried, I get to the user profile even if there was only one user, if that user has at least one edit. So if a CW post has only initial revision (and no subsequent edits), then it goes to revision history. If there was at least one edit, the link goes to the user profile. (It does not matter whether the subsequent edit was done by the same user or by a different user.)" CreationDate="2020-06-16T09:27:43.220" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22363" PostId="4607" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Can you give an example? [This post](https://mathoverflow.net/a/363147) or [this post](https://mathoverflow.net/a/342736) were edited, but the links go to the revision history." CreationDate="2020-06-16T09:50:13.557" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22364" PostId="4607" Score="2" Text="Aha, some of the answers [here](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/272941) behave that way. Perhaps the actual criterion is if the post was edited *after it became CW*. (The two examples in my previous comment were only edited before the question was made CW.)" CreationDate="2020-06-16T10:07:59.980" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22365" PostId="4607" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I have collected a few examples of posts which are CW and were edited (but only by a single user) in chat: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2020/6/16 Perhaps we could continue the discussion there." CreationDate="2020-06-16T10:49:44.643" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22366" PostId="4607" Score="1" Text="By the way, as @MartinSleziak's links show, this behaviour is not new.  I've noticed it for several years, and always assumed it was an intentional (but confusing) design decision." CreationDate="2020-06-17T12:57:12.290" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22367" PostId="4607" Score="0" Text="@LSpice Maybe I did not formulate it well enough but for me the main problem is purely practical: suppose I want information about author of the post. There must be an immediate link that leads to this information. I realize that probably when I click the username and get to the revision history instead, I can then find actual link to the username in that revision history page, but..." CreationDate="2020-06-17T13:47:44.803" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="22368" PostId="4607" Score="1" Text="I didn't mean to defend the behaviour (there are a lot of intentional design decisions here that I don't like!), only to respond to the suggestion that maybe this was a recent change." CreationDate="2020-06-17T13:53:01.010" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22369" PostId="4607" Score="1" Text="@LSpice I see, thanks for the clarification." CreationDate="2020-06-17T14:16:49.187" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="22373" PostId="4607" Score="2" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე: This is a years-old behaviour for CW posts. I suspect it is intended to be so, although I (like you and others) find it really confusing. Bad design, not bug." CreationDate="2020-06-19T09:49:09.703" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="22389" PostId="4608" Score="0" Text="Perhaps I should stress that I do not object to manual removal - if that's a better option for some reason. I have merely suggested this as a possibility to test the new escalation process." CreationDate="2020-06-22T17:00:32.797" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26357" PostId="4608" Score="0" Text="I will add a link to a [recent conversation in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/blacklisting-research). It turns out that I was unaware of the 50+ questions condition for burninating. (Quoted from [meta.se] in [this message](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369?m=59017929#59017929).)" CreationDate="2021-08-31T08:03:26.607" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22371" PostId="4609" Score="0" Text="Great! Exactly what I wanted." CreationDate="2020-06-18T15:45:44.167" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="22374" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="So in short: use [tag:gm.general-mathematics] for mathematics questions which do not fall into a particular subfield of mathematics, and use [tag:soft-question] for questions interesting to mathematicians which are not mathematics questions?" CreationDate="2020-06-19T12:39:04.437" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="22375" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Roughly yes. [tag:soft-question] has a tag excerpt (*Questions that are about research in math, or about the job of a research mathematician, without being mathematical problems or statements in the strictest sense. Do not use this tag for easy or supposedly easy mathematical questions.*) which I find useful and its current use is OK. I guess the role of [tag:gm.general-mathematics] will remain a bit vague, but I especially want to exclude it as dedicated trash tag." CreationDate="2020-06-19T12:44:04.097" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22376" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="&quot;*mathematics questions which do not fall into a particular subfield of mathematics*&quot; could make a good tag excerpt. The current tag excerpt &quot;*Questions about mathematics which don't fall into the other arXiv categories. If you have a general question about mathematics but it is not research level, it's off-topic but it might be welcomed on Mathematics Stack Exchange*&quot; is quite bad, I think. Questions are usually redirected to MathSE because they're not of research level, not because they're about &quot;general mathematics&quot;; they are often focussed." CreationDate="2020-06-19T12:44:27.270" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22377" PostId="4610" Score="1" Text="There is a recommendation that every question should have a top-level tag. (See: [Why are MO tags formatted as they are?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1457) and [Frequently asked questions about tagging on MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1075#1076).) If we want to follow this recommendation, there will be many questions where this is the only suitable top-level tag. (There are many questions which are not tied to a specific area of mathematics, e.g., list of examples from various area, asking for advice, etc.)" CreationDate="2020-06-21T08:13:27.303" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22378" PostId="4611" Score="2" Text="Why do you want to know?" CreationDate="2020-06-21T16:45:51.823" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22379" PostId="4611" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble I see many posts which had so much of a heated discussion.. Then, after some days, those comments gets deleted.. So, does moderators contact those people personally and then ask to maintain “being nice” policy or just remove the comments with out any message exchange?" CreationDate="2020-06-21T17:01:27.587" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="22385" PostId="4611" Score="5" Text="Okay, I misunderstood what you meant. As Anton explained, there is an internal messaging system where moderators can reach *accounts* about issues. But I don't equate that with contacting *people* personally, in the sense of knowing their names, etc." CreationDate="2020-06-21T20:08:03.447" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22386" PostId="4611" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Ok." CreationDate="2020-06-22T03:50:47.300" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="22380" PostId="4612" Score="0" Text="I could not guess where does the user see message from the moderator. Is it clearly visible just like any @mentions or responses to our posts?" CreationDate="2020-06-21T17:05:37.690" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="22381" PostId="4612" Score="2" Text="@PraphullaKoushik yes, it would be visible as a notification in the inbox. Also, it usually generates an email notification. Notice, moderators contact users privately only sometimes. It is not a default action." CreationDate="2020-06-21T17:46:43.887" UserId="121862" />
  <row Id="22382" PostId="4612" Score="2" Text="@PraphullaKoushik See also: [What does receiving a mod message look like?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/283113) You can find some pointers to the basic info about moderator messages [in the corresponding tag-info](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/moderator-messages/info). You can also browse the [questions tagged moderator-messages](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/moderator-messages) on Meta Stack Exchange, in case some of them are of interest." CreationDate="2020-06-21T17:53:56.733" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22387" PostId="4613" Score="1" Text="Ok. I understand. I was not sure how does the user know that a moderator is trying to reach them.. What I understand from Anton's answer is, a moderator can message the user, and if  a moderator contacts some one, they get a notification just like any notification on the users posts(@mentions).." CreationDate="2020-06-22T03:55:07.033" UserId="118688" />
  <row Id="22388" PostId="4613" Score="1" Text="Yes, that's right." CreationDate="2020-06-22T12:34:40.780" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22392" PostId="4614" Score="0" Text="here: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/363572/important-but-not-too-well-known-inequalities/363901#363901. At least 3 upvotes? Community Wiki ?" CreationDate="2020-06-24T06:02:59.837" UserId="69642" />
  <row Id="22395" PostId="4614" Score="0" Text="See also: [Derivative of reputation score over time is identically zero](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3806) (and [other posts linked there](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/3806)). But this question definitely has a better title - thus making it easier to find for the users who might have the same question in the future." CreationDate="2020-06-24T06:39:18.340" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22397" PostId="4614" Score="0" Text="This is not the case here, but another reason why reputation might remain the same despite getting upvotes is when the user reached the reputation cap. It is possible to get at most 200 reputation points per day from upvotes. (Bounties and points from accepted answers are not subject this limit.) Some posts on this meta about the reputation cap: [5 points for an upvote to an answer?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3912) and [Reputation not moving up while having 27 upvotes](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1906)." CreationDate="2020-06-24T08:36:57.007" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22393" PostId="4615" Score="0" Text="yes I can see the upvotes in your history without points added to your reputation score." CreationDate="2020-06-24T06:16:45.993" UserId="69642" />
  <row Id="22394" PostId="4615" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I'm going to raise a bug report in the main Meta so the site developers can have a look." CreationDate="2020-06-24T06:17:30.223" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22396" PostId="4615" Score="1" Text="Re: *I can't see the upvotes in your reputation history.* I have noticed for a long time that the upvotes on community votes are shown in the reputation tab only if *there is some other reputation change* in the same day. (For example, if the OP gets some upvote/downvote on a non-CW post, then this even would be displayed and so would be the votes on CW posts. IIRC it is the case also if the vote is removed soon after.) If needed, I can try to find some examples in my reputation history.) I thought that this was intentional, maybe it can be considered a bug." CreationDate="2020-06-24T06:43:21.963" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22398" PostId="4615" Score="0" Text="I have experienced now a similar situation with up vote for comment which is not taken into account for my reputation. E.g. here https://mathoverflow.net/questions/364036/combinatorics-of-multivariate-faà-di-bruno-formula?noredirect=1#comment918757_364036 is it normal ?" CreationDate="2020-06-25T08:02:51.253" UserId="69642" />
  <row Id="22399" PostId="4615" Score="2" Text="@user69642 yes, that's normal: comments [do not generate reputation](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/comment)." CreationDate="2020-06-25T08:07:08.873" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22400" PostId="4615" Score="0" Text="ok. Thanks again for your time to answer my newbie questions!" CreationDate="2020-06-25T08:08:03.157" UserId="69642" />
  <row Id="22412" PostId="4618" Score="5" Text="A lovely video on Ron's life and work: https://vimeo.com/136044050 ." CreationDate="2020-07-08T00:28:28.640" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="22414" PostId="4619" Score="10" Text="I thought the tribute to Conway was fitting and appropriate. Put the mathematics in MathOverflow proper, and the nonmathematics (personal anecdotes) in meta, with links between them.  Although everybody should be honored in some way, I think recognizing an outstanding contributor such as Ron Graham this way can fall under the policy exceptions category for meta.  Gerhard &quot;His Numerous Accomplishments Were Many&quot; Paseman, 2020.07.07." CreationDate="2020-07-08T04:05:40.890" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22416" PostId="4619" Score="9" Text="Two anecdotes.  &#xA;&#xA;1. Ron Graham is (I believe) the only person to give [the Gibbs Lecture][1] at the AMS annual meeting twice. The first time was at the New Orleans meeting in January, 2001. Then in 2015 the scheduled speaker was unable to give his talk, and rather than see the lecture cancelled, Graham stepped in at extremely short notice to give a talk. &#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;  [1]: http://www.ams.org/meetings/lectures/meet-gibbs-lect" CreationDate="2020-07-08T07:35:51.710" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22417" PostId="4619" Score="13" Text="2. At the AMS annual meeting in Atlanta in 1978, Graham was chairing a session in one room, during which he was scheduled to give a talk in the room next door. So he interrupted his talk to go introduce the next speaker in the other session, meanwhile leaving a problem on the overhead projector for people to work on while he was away. When he came back, he picked up where he had left off in his lecture." CreationDate="2020-07-08T07:36:03.043" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22418" PostId="4619" Score="1" Text="(1/2) I think that (if I'm right the blog is not active), a possibility is that a thread of Meta is created with the title *In memoriam*. I am not a professional mathematician, and I assume that my views/ideas maybe aren't acceptable for the community. This thread while it is legitimated by the copyright could include the material/sources in discussion about, mainly, the more important work of a mathematician in a concise and inspiring way (to young PhD students and other). Then the best/recent answers are added to the Newsletter of MathOverflow if it is possible (is a periodic publication)." CreationDate="2020-07-08T11:50:13.640" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="22419" PostId="4619" Score="0" Text="(2/2) I think that there is more possibilities, I don't know if it is legitimate that this site MathOverflow (let's a member of the moderator team) create a channel in some platform of videos. Then a group of mathematicians that want to edit a video lecture notes inspired in the work of a mathematician that passed away, again if the sources and these activities are legitimate submit a message to the moderators with the goal to publish the video on the official channel of the moderators and publish the video in a suitable room *In memoriam* of the chat (if it is legitimate in this MathOverflow)" CreationDate="2020-07-08T11:50:17.630" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="22420" PostId="4619" Score="0" Text="Just as a clarification of my last comment is that I believe that one can to create an official channel (if it is legitimate) in some videos platform in which one can to avoid unrelated comments (the option disable comments), and after add as an embedded video the file in the suitable room *In memoriam* where the comments can be moderated. Of course, feel free to remove my comments if aren't suitable in this thread of Meta MathOverflow. These and previous are just my ideas that I evoke, I add this last phrase as disclaimer since I don't know what can be a legitimate activity about this concern" CreationDate="2020-07-08T12:20:51.710" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="22422" PostId="4619" Score="20" Text="The question to discuss how to deal with memorials is good but doesn't match the title... I'd feel uncomfortable to discuss it here." CreationDate="2020-07-08T19:17:27.580" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22423" PostId="4619" Score="0" Text="An MJD story:  https://blog.plover.com/math/graham.html ." CreationDate="2020-07-08T23:27:58.447" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22424" PostId="4619" Score="0" Text="MO post (as, I think, [suggested](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4619/ron-graham-1935-2020#comment22414_4619) by @GerhardPaseman):  https://mathoverflow.net/q/365170 ." CreationDate="2020-07-08T23:45:31.293" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="22426" PostId="4619" Score="3" Text="Memorials about deceased mathematicians is not a subject of or about mathematics." CreationDate="2020-07-09T11:53:24.230" UserId="78539" />
  <row Id="22428" PostId="4619" Score="2" Text="Lipton and Regan's blogpost https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2020/07/10/ron-graham-1935-2020/ has some personal memories of Ron Graham" CreationDate="2020-07-10T23:33:15.540" UserId="17773" />
  <row Id="22435" PostId="4619" Score="3" Text="I think the general question asked here should better be separated from the report of the passing away of a particular person." CreationDate="2020-07-11T20:24:27.870" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="22437" PostId="4619" Score="7" Text="I suggest creating a specific tag for these posts, e.g. [tag:memorial]" CreationDate="2020-07-12T13:56:35.783" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="22496" PostId="4619" Score="2" Text="@polfosol: A tag is a good idea.  Over on Science Fiction &amp; Fantasy meta SE, we call it https://scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/in-memoriam . &quot;obituary&quot; is another name we could use for the tag." CreationDate="2020-07-17T19:10:20.367" UserId="5340" />
  <row Id="24000" PostId="4619" Score="0" Text="The question here is (among other things) whether such posts are suitable on MO. So maybe the tag ([meta-tag:on-topic]) could be suitable for this question?" CreationDate="2020-09-11T11:12:36.240" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24001" PostId="4619" Score="3" Text="Unless opposition I'll edit this question removing reference to a particular obituary (currently I'm uncomfortable with this question, while I think the discussion is necessary)." CreationDate="2020-09-11T19:09:17.483" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24002" PostId="4619" Score="1" Text="The question initially mentioned the then very recent death of Ron Graham and asked &quot;*[Ron Graham passed away on July 6, 2020](https://www.ams.org/news?news_id=6244). (...) What the community could do right now to remember Ron Graham and to commemorate his outstanding contributions to mathematics*&quot;. Now there is a MO post about this https://mathoverflow.net/questions/365170/ron-l-graham-s-lesser-known-significant-contributions. In case there is still a need to address this question in Meta I'd suggest to repost it separately." CreationDate="2020-09-12T11:02:13.210" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24007" PostId="4619" Score="0" Text="I am agree with -polfosol-. One can design (e.g. developers) this tag such that the post to be CW automatically." CreationDate="2020-09-13T13:07:52.920" UserId="90655" />
  <row Id="22430" PostId="4620" Score="0" Text="Indeed, it seems that there are usernames more frequent than Andrew, here is a [SEDE query listing the most frequent ones](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1261599/most-frequent-usernames). The duplication goes down if you look at users with non-negligible reputation, here are the results if you take reputation [at least 102](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1261599/most-frequent-usernames?min=102) or [at least 1000](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1261599/most-frequent-usernames?min=1000)." CreationDate="2020-07-11T08:30:36.417" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22431" PostId="4620" Score="0" Text="Here is a query which can be used to list all users name [Andrew](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1261600/list-of-users-with-the-given-username?name=Andrew), [Adam](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1261600/list-of-users-with-the-given-username?name=Adam) or any other username you want to try." CreationDate="2020-07-11T08:32:22.947" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22454" PostId="4620" Score="0" Text="Usernames *are* unique. The names that users choose to display, however, are not. (As one of the horde of Andrews, I feel the need to reply! Btw, I count 53 members of this distinguished horde.)" CreationDate="2020-07-14T07:22:34.373" UserId="37373" />
  <row Id="22455" PostId="4620" Score="0" Text="@Andrew It is interesting that we each get somewhat different counts. I get [66 Andrews](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1261600/list-of-users-with-the-given-username?name=Andrew) and [70 if I count case insensitive](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1263189/list-of-users-with-the-given-username-case-insensitive). (There are [four lowercase answers](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1261600/list-of-users-with-the-given-username?name=andrew).)" CreationDate="2020-07-15T04:54:55.887" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22456" PostId="4620" Score="0" Text="Maybe difference depends on whether we count [unregistered users](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/unregistered-users/info)? (I.e., the users who participated here without registering, just relying on their login being remembered in cookies.)" CreationDate="2020-07-15T04:55:52.580" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22497" PostId="4620" Score="0" Text="A few months ago, there was a flood of &quot;Reinstate Monica&quot; usernames. No one was against this, but the irony was when several _Reinstate Monica_ s where commenting on the same post. Because if you wanted to answer one of them by mentioning, it would have ended in a headache." CreationDate="2020-07-18T10:05:20.513" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="22433" PostId="4622" Score="4" Text="There are still two users here named &quot;Gerhard Paseman&quot;.  But it looks like they are the same person..." CreationDate="2020-07-11T11:45:13.283" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="22434" PostId="4622" Score="5" Text="Two? There should be five or six. Gerhard &quot;Need To Check On Myself&quot; Paseman, 2020.07.11." CreationDate="2020-07-11T16:54:33.287" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22446" PostId="4625" Score="0" Text="Links to various information on question ban (and answer ban) are available [in the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/post-ban/info). It is worth checking [what is written in the help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/question-bans). And you can also check older posts here on the topic - such as: [What I can do if my questions limit had been reached in MO from long time?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3584)" CreationDate="2020-07-13T13:51:26.480" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22489" PostId="4625" Score="1" Text="Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/110717/discussion-on-question-by-bambi-how-can-the-question-ban-be-removed)." CreationDate="2020-07-16T21:39:32.137" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22463" PostId="4627" Score="0" Text="Apologies, if this is the wrong place to advertise." CreationDate="2020-07-15T13:18:18.567" UserId="15503" />
  <row Id="22474" PostId="4627" Score="1" Text="It is interesting to me to replace divides by less than.  I am writing an article on Sylvester-Scour which starts with the less than version.  Gerhard &quot;First Draft Is Almost Ready&quot; Paseman, 2020.07.15." CreationDate="2020-07-16T03:44:59.750" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22548" PostId="4627" Score="5" Text="Concerning games, notice that the user in question already earned themselves a *year-long* suspension on MO, despite that the account is only a few weeks old, and has had no publically available interaction with the site. This is ... quite extraordinary. Just about the only reason I can think of is that it might be a sock puppet of another, already suspended user." CreationDate="2020-07-25T15:25:51.067" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22549" PostId="4627" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the bit of news @EmilJeřábek. I'm afraid I can't say I'm very surprised to hear that." CreationDate="2020-07-25T15:45:51.237" UserId="15503" />
  <row Id="22488" PostId="4629" Score="4" Text="This is not a research-level question anyway, and as such it is off-topic on MathOverflow. It would be more appropriate at https://math.stackexchange.com ." CreationDate="2020-07-16T20:09:22.360" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22491" PostId="4629" Score="5" Text="And, my goodness, there are people in the world who know mathematics outside the USA! 4am in the US is a very sensible time in the morning for those in the Old World who might want to peruse MathOverflow and try their hand. It's also a pleasant afternoon/evening activity for those of us Down Under, or even in East Asia, where there are also mathematicians." CreationDate="2020-07-16T23:32:20.370" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22494" PostId="4629" Score="1" Text="Aside: what is 4am USA time? At the moment USA spans at least GMT-4 (Eastern Daylight) through GMT-10 (Hawaiian Standard). If you include American Samoa, it stretches to GMT-11." CreationDate="2020-07-17T17:35:11.273" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="22495" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong New-York's time." CreationDate="2020-07-17T17:44:32.473" UserId="161075" />
  <row Id="22492" PostId="4631" Score="1" Text="Thanks, that was much better put than I did or could." CreationDate="2020-07-17T03:07:20.887" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22493" PostId="4631" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble thank you for such an elaborative answer. I will take your advices on how to ask question on MO. Also where I'm from research is not really a thing so I think I'm missing all these things. ( Just to be clear sir : proving pnt is least important question , the main question is about how to get rid of second integral by manipulating the original function and I trying to do so for long time ) again thank you!" CreationDate="2020-07-17T07:18:13.823" UserId="156441" />
  <row Id="24249" PostId="4632" Score="0" Text="Posted problem to Meta SE: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/357552/222298" CreationDate="2020-12-07T11:17:45.267" UserId="5340" />
  <row Id="22499" PostId="4635" Score="1" Text="These are only 30 questions and could thus be done manually by regular users. &quot;crystal-bases&quot; sounds fine for 1; for 2 maybe &quot;crystals-in-categories&quot; (but better suggestions would be useful), for 3 &quot;crystals-quasicrystals&quot;? it's important that the latter tag is proposed if &quot;crys&quot; is typed (it wouldn't if the tag is &quot;quasicrystals&quot;)." CreationDate="2020-07-20T07:38:34.540" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22500" PostId="4635" Score="0" Text="To start with, we could rename those in (1) and (3) and wait a bit to be sure how to rename those in (2)" CreationDate="2020-07-20T07:40:49.527" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22502" PostId="4635" Score="0" Text="@YCor In the same spirit as crystals-quasicrystals, I was thinking of the option crystals-isocrystals for 2." CreationDate="2020-07-20T20:28:43.323" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="22504" PostId="4635" Score="1" Text="Actually we could start with renaming 1 and 3 (&quot;crystals-and-quasicrystals&quot; for 3 in coherence with usual syntax) and then ask some feedback from users in the field." CreationDate="2020-07-20T21:48:59.527" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22503" PostId="4636" Score="6" Text="There are currently 4 votes to reopen, one more is needed." CreationDate="2020-07-20T20:41:19.740" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="22505" PostId="4636" Score="5" Text="Voted to reopen. It is true that it is a list question, but I find it quite interesting." CreationDate="2020-07-20T22:00:27.523" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="22506" PostId="4637" Score="4" Text="I agree with the question remaining closed, but (even aside from my highly-upvoted answer) I think it should not be deleted." CreationDate="2020-07-21T01:45:03.087" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22507" PostId="4637" Score="1" Text="The question has been reopened. Doesn’t this clear extant delete votes?" CreationDate="2020-07-21T06:40:17.307" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22508" PostId="4637" Score="8" Text="@EmilJeřábek no, but nobody (aside from moderators) can cast delete votes now." CreationDate="2020-07-21T06:41:10.950" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22509" PostId="4637" Score="0" Text="I see. Thank you." CreationDate="2020-07-21T06:53:38.263" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="22510" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="Perhaps consider asking at [Theoretical Computer Science](https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/)." CreationDate="2020-07-22T02:36:03.940" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="22511" PostId="4640" Score="1" Text="Before you ask this here, it would be helpful to motivate the desire for a PSPACE algorithm.  In particular, it is hard to imagine how compressible large factors would be.  Do you need to know the prime factors if there are any?  This would fly better on MathOverflow as a reference request for PSPACE algorithms in computational number theory. Before you ask that version, do a web search and see what you can find on your own, and then ask if such references you found would be worth reading for this problem.  Gerhard &quot;Trying To Save Some Space&quot; Paseman, 2020.07.21." CreationDate="2020-07-22T03:08:15.013" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22512" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman nice one with that signature ;-)" CreationDate="2020-07-22T04:50:57.780" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22513" PostId="4640" Score="2" Text="&quot;the value $2^k$ has $2^n$ bits and digits.&quot; Not following. What's $n$? $2^k$ has $k+1$ bits, and roughly $(0.3)k$ digits." CreationDate="2020-07-22T05:26:25.150" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22514" PostId="4640" Score="1" Text="Do you have a reason why this problem would be in NP?" CreationDate="2020-07-22T06:28:22.893" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="22515" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson In computer Science we go by the input length. Consider the powers of 2 have EXACTLY value N 0-bits. Consider reducing binary subset sum into 0-bit Tally SubsetSum.  Tally Subset Sum is in P. The reduction is exponential otherwise P=NP." CreationDate="2020-07-22T11:06:06.853" UserId="138722" />
  <row Id="22516" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan I was told the execution paths can be used as a certificate for proving it is in NP." CreationDate="2020-07-22T11:07:07.373" UserId="138722" />
  <row Id="22517" PostId="4640" Score="2" Text="&quot;In computer Science we go by the input length.&quot; The input length of $2^k$ is $k+1$. &quot;Consider the powers of 2 have EXACTLY value N 0-bits.&quot; Every single power of two has the same number of 0-bits, namely, $N$? I asked you &quot;What's $n$,&quot; and instead of answering me you introduce &quot;$N$&quot; with no explanation. In &quot;computer Science&quot;, you go by input length; in Mathematics, we go by defining our terms, and making sense." CreationDate="2020-07-22T11:16:10.703" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22518" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson &quot;N&quot; is exactly &quot;K&quot;. It is the value used in exponentiation." CreationDate="2020-07-22T11:16:46.933" UserId="138722" />
  <row Id="22519" PostId="4640" Score="2" Text="Good. The input length of $2^N$ is $N+1$. The input length of $2^K$ is $K+1$. And the input length of $2^k$ is $k+1$. That should cover all the bases. Do you still stand by &quot;the value $2^k$ has $2^n$ bits and digits&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-07-22T12:18:04.867" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22521" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@Gerry, if n is log k,  I stand by it. The issue of course is that the length of the number to be tested is exponential in the lengths of the input, but compactly expressible. One wonders if the computation for resolving primality is also compactly expressible.  Gerhard &quot;Otherwise Let's Just Do EXPSPACE&quot; Paseman, 2020.07.22." CreationDate="2020-07-22T14:37:40.040" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22522" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@Gerhard sure, but OP has given no indication that $n$ is $\log k$, indeed OP has written &quot;$N$ is exactly $K$.&quot; Also, I'm not sure what you mean by the *length* of a number. The *number* is exponential in the length of the input, but what is the length of the number?" CreationDate="2020-07-22T22:46:30.227" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22523" PostId="4640" Score="1" Text="The OP has given no indication that he (pronoun presumption) knows the notation or the conventions here in MathOverflow, and seems to be using an unstated convention from computer science.  You can try to force him to follow the convention of this forum through your commenting style, or you can say something like &quot;What you say does not make sense to me unless n is log k. Even then more exposition is needed. In this forum we need things to be more clear and explicit.&quot; Gerhard &quot;These Times Affect Us All&quot; Paseman, 2020.07.22." CreationDate="2020-07-22T23:21:11.463" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22524" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman I meant when in the binary length the value $2^K$ is exponential." CreationDate="2020-07-23T02:56:26.600" UserId="138722" />
  <row Id="22526" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Perhaps a previous question of mine on stackexchange math may help clarify. https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3563682/is-the-powers-of-base-2-always-exponential-in-the-number-of-digits" CreationDate="2020-07-23T03:00:24.177" UserId="138722" />
  <row Id="22527" PostId="4640" Score="2" Text="@TravisWells why do you have $K$ and $n$ and $k$—are these all potentially different numbers? What is the definition of the numbers $n$ and $k$, in terms of the given $M$ and $K$? The question as it stands is definitely not suitable for the main site because you haven't defined or unambiguously described half the variables you have introduced." CreationDate="2020-07-23T04:28:46.950" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22528" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="The value $2^K$ is exponential – no disagreement from me on that, Travis. But the *input* for $2^K$ has length $K+1$, which is not exponential." CreationDate="2020-07-23T06:44:13.233" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22529" PostId="4640" Score="1" Text="@Gerhard I'm glad that your commenting style has elicited the response, &quot;in the binary length the value $2^K$ is exponential.&quot; I hope you will continue to extract more exposition, clarity, and explicitness from OP." CreationDate="2020-07-23T06:48:06.750" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22530" PostId="4640" Score="2" Text="I note that the m.se question to which OP links was closed by the voters there because it was not at all clear what OP was asking. How is an unclear question there going to clarify an unclear question here?" CreationDate="2020-07-23T06:52:03.137" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22533" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson As an example that $K$+$1$ is exponential, Convert a integer Subset Sum instance into tallies. S = $1,2,3,4$. $Target$ = $7$.  $S$ = 1,11,111,1111, Target = 1111111. As you can see, it is easy to be fooled that was a polynomial reduction. It is not, because the reduction is exponential. It takes $2^n$ space and time to reduce Integer Subset Sum into Tally Subset-Sum (which is in $P$). The amount of tallies are polynomial in the magnitude of the integers, but not the length." CreationDate="2020-07-23T11:06:38.967" UserId="138722" />
  <row Id="22534" PostId="4640" Score="1" Text="Let me try another approach. You've said nothing about any actual primality-testing algorithm. Your whole question is based on the problem of calculating $2^k$. So, doesn't your argument suggest that multiplying two numbers of the form $2^k+m$ can't be done in polynomial space? Or dividing $2^k+m$ by three? The way I see it: if your argument really suggests you can't multiply, or divide by three, in polynomial space, then it shows that you don't understand what polynomial space is. And if it doesn't show that you can't do those things in polynomial space, then (continued)" CreationDate="2020-07-23T13:08:46.780" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22535" PostId="4640" Score="1" Text="(continued) then it behooves you to explain what part of your argument applies to primality-testing but not to multiplication and not to division by three, because you haven't used any facts about primality-testing in your question." CreationDate="2020-07-23T13:10:04.540" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22536" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@Gerry  Arbitary integers are M and K. Ther is nothing mor specific too it.  The solution is exponetial in the worst case in digit and/or bitlength." CreationDate="2020-07-23T19:12:01.343" UserId="138722" />
  <row Id="22537" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="You are referring to multiplication, Travis? So multiplication takes exponential space?" CreationDate="2020-07-23T21:47:19.827" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22539" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="This is only tangential but you can write `$2^K+M$` to get $2^K+M$. You don't need to split the formula as `$2^K$+$M$` $2^K$+$M$. (Notice that + looks differently and has different spacing.)" CreationDate="2020-07-24T06:10:25.997" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="22544" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Exponentiation takes exponential space in the digit length and binary length. When the inputs are integers. Multiplication takes polynomial space when in binary and/or integers as inputs." CreationDate="2020-07-24T15:53:20.127" UserId="138722" />
  <row Id="22538" PostId="4641" Score="4" Text="This would be more appropriate for Academia stackexchange, as the issues you have raised pertain to a variety of fields of science.  Also, the main thrust of your post is an objection to the &quot;nonuniversality&quot; of Zoom, and does not ask a proper question.  I recommend asking a question related to the title of your post. Scientific exchange and interaction does not have to be video based; there may be alternatives that do not require a realtime protocol.  Gerhard &quot;Imagine Three Hundred Years Ago&quot; Paseman, 2020.07.23." CreationDate="2020-07-24T05:21:59.763" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22540" PostId="4641" Score="4" Text="@GerhardPaseman Are you suggesting, with your middle name, that there were research environments that could be found 300 years ago that would be a reasonable fit for our current needs?" CreationDate="2020-07-24T06:46:24.183" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="22541" PostId="4641" Score="1" Text="I'm suggesting that you rethink about what the current needs really are.  Gerhard &quot;See Constraints In Different Lighting&quot; Paseman, 2020.07.23." CreationDate="2020-07-24T06:57:32.523" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22542" PostId="4641" Score="4" Text="@GerhardPaseman &quot;Scientific exchange and interaction does not have to be video based; there may be alternatives that do not require a realtime protocol&quot; sure. I'll write a letter that goes by ship half way around the world to arrive weeks or months after the seminar that everyone else in the north-west of the world watched live and had their questions answered. /s" CreationDate="2020-07-24T06:58:19.387" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22543" PostId="4641" Score="1" Text="Indeed. And on that journey, perhaps new questions will come to you.  Gerhard &quot;Answers Aren't Everything You Know&quot; Paseman, 2020.07.24." CreationDate="2020-07-24T07:01:09.567" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22556" PostId="4641" Score="3" Text="I wonder whether this question would be received better if the most common software used for mathematics online conferences worldwide would be unavailable in the US due to sanctions by the EU, China and Russia in response to President Trumps' withdrawal of the Paris agreement, his breach of the Iran nuclear deal, his decision to quit the WHO, and so on." CreationDate="2020-07-26T09:34:26.073" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="22560" PostId="4641" Score="3" Text="I should note that in our teaching this past semester, we had to supply two copies of zoom links for students: one for the majority, and a special one for students in China. If conference organisers only give a zoom.us url including a hashed password, then I believe this won't work in China (and one cannot join manually using the meeting ID because the plaintext password is lacking)." CreationDate="2020-07-27T00:02:52.867" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="22545" PostId="4642" Score="7" Text="Perhaps not so well-known was Richard's production of chess problems. [Here's one][1] from 1944. &#xA;&#xA;&#xA;  [1]: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/daily-puzzles/5-24-2019-richard-k-guy-british-chess-magazine-1944" CreationDate="2020-07-25T02:57:16.497" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22546" PostId="4642" Score="6" Text="Here's a tribute to Richard on the occasion of his 100th birthday: http://nautil.us/blog/an-infinitely-rich-mathematician-turns-100" CreationDate="2020-07-25T03:02:26.573" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22547" PostId="4642" Score="6" Text="Here's an obit that pays particular attention to Richard's mountaineering exploits: https://gripped.com/news/canadian-climbing-legend-richard-guy-dies-at-103/" CreationDate="2020-07-25T03:12:26.257" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="23599" PostId="4642" Score="0" Text="The journal *Crux Mathematicorum* announced a special issue dedicated to the memory of the professor. See page 97 of Crux Mathematicorum Vol. 46, No. 3 (March, 2020) from the corresponding web page of the journal." CreationDate="2020-08-04T18:57:12.913" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="23601" PostId="4642" Score="1" Text="Link to the March 2020 issue of Crux: https://cms.math.ca/publications/crux/issue/?volume=46&amp;issue=3" CreationDate="2020-08-04T23:46:03.303" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24383" PostId="4642" Score="0" Text="I add that the mentioned issue was the corresponding to October 2020 of *Crux Mathematicorum* (by the Canadian Mathematical Society). It seems that there are more sites remembering the professor but I'm not the one who can to add more information (I'm not a professional mathematician)." CreationDate="2021-01-05T09:19:36.787" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="22550" PostId="4643" Score="1" Text="I've already got a downvote. It's my first time ever here, should I ask in the chat room instead of here?" CreationDate="2020-07-25T20:06:48.447" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="22551" PostId="4643" Score="1" Text="It's a fine question but this is _really_ old and it might be an old draft. I'd have to check our records and compare with the proposal we actually sent. How did you find this?" CreationDate="2020-07-25T20:15:19.353" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="22552" PostId="4643" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I was doing some research, and this PDF showed up in a Google search! I recognized the name Ben Green because I'm an Oxonian and one of my former students (Albert Wood) did his 4th year research project with Ben. When I saw his name in the proposal I reacted &quot;wow Ben got the Fields medal recently? how did I miss that!&quot;" CreationDate="2020-07-25T20:18:11.960" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="22553" PostId="4643" Score="5" Text="Well, I can confirm that Ben Green won many highly prestigious awards but not a Fields medal at this time. We might have corrected this error in the proposal we submitted to the Sloan Foundation nearly a decade ago, I'm not sure (and it's not worth looking up unless you _really_ want to know). I'm sure we would have appreciated the correction at the time but we probably would have responded editing &quot;Fields medalist&quot; to a more encompassing and accurate description of our highest profile users." CreationDate="2020-07-25T20:32:40.413" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="22554" PostId="4643" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Thanks. So basically my understanding is that it was a typo (most likely corrected in a later version). The final proposal would be interesting, since I'm doing something similar for the new [Matter Modeling](https://mattermodeling.stackexchange.com/) community that I started and very recently entered Beta on SE. But I've already picked up some good ideas from the PDF version that I linked in my question, and I don't want to ask you to spend unnecessary time finding a different version that's probably not much different." CreationDate="2020-07-25T20:37:35.930" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="22555" PostId="4643" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Since that funding proposal was old, I wonder if you know of any other Fields Medalists you could add [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_Exchange#Notable_Scientists_and_Mathematicians)?  I have already added Ed Witten." CreationDate="2020-07-25T21:51:04.260" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="22557" PostId="4643" Score="3" Text="Peter Scholze has posted a few times on MO, mostly, though not entirely, before winning the Fields Medal." CreationDate="2020-07-26T14:42:46.583" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="22558" PostId="4643" Score="6" Text="Martin Hairer is also active here. Richards Borcherds used to be, but he has not visited the site for 8 years." CreationDate="2020-07-26T18:01:29.293" UserId="95776" />
  <row Id="22566" PostId="4643" Score="1" Text="There's Curtis McMullen (assuming it's the same person, which it looks like it is)." CreationDate="2020-07-28T23:05:22.130" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="22567" PostId="4643" Score="4" Text="I've added my downvote to this question. This old little error is not worth an inquiry, nor publicity." CreationDate="2020-07-29T08:22:22.813" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="22574" PostId="4643" Score="0" Text="@MaoWao Do you know whether [Michael Freedman](https://mathoverflow.net/users/58457/michael-freedman) or [Michael Freedman](https://mathoverflow.net/users/122296/michael-freedman) is [Michael Freedman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Freedman)?" CreationDate="2020-07-30T19:27:35.687" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="22575" PostId="4643" Score="0" Text="Apart from Freedman, I've checked all Fields medalists from 1982 or later and didn't find any more (but only checked their full names and then only last names). I'll check the rest later. Seems we got all the recent ones, at least." CreationDate="2020-07-30T19:36:46.097" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="22578" PostId="4643" Score="1" Text="@user1271772 It seems quite likely that the first Michael Freedman is the fields medalist (but I don't have any privileged knowledge here)." CreationDate="2020-07-30T23:48:55.420" UserId="95776" />
  <row Id="23630" PostId="4643" Score="0" Text="The link to the proposal is dead (error 404). Is it because of this question? Where can we see the proposal?" CreationDate="2020-08-07T14:55:15.157" UserId="18938" />
  <row Id="23631" PostId="4643" Score="0" Text="@Taladris I've updated it to WayBackMachine now. It would have been nice if when Scott Morrison removed it, he notified us here." CreationDate="2020-08-07T14:59:22.993" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="22561" PostId="4646" Score="6" Text="If someone has been naughtty, the software will catch it, and undo the downvotes. See, e.g., https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3685/serial-downvoting" CreationDate="2020-07-27T12:21:29.853" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="22562" PostId="4646" Score="10" Text="Only if it happens fast enough.  I suspect I've been targeted by someone for my behavior, and have received a slow and steady succession of downvotes.  Fortunately I'm learning to disregard down votes.  Gerhard &quot;Reputation Comes In Many Flavors&quot;  Paseman, 2020.07.27." CreationDate="2020-07-27T18:35:17.197" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="22563" PostId="4646" Score="2" Text="Apparently the software is on holiday... Of course I don't care about the downvotes, it is just that I find the behaviour of the downvoter quite inappropriate." CreationDate="2020-07-27T18:59:14.777" UserId="40297" />
  <row Id="22564" PostId="4646" Score="12" Text="I think I might know who it is. I'll see about getting this sorted out. (Edit: I've sent a message to Community Management, who presumably will get back to us shortly. Hopefully the downvotes will be invalidated soon.)" CreationDate="2020-07-28T00:14:55.263" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="22565" PostId="4646" Score="5" Text="They have been indeed, thanks very much. I hope that the downvoter has been informed that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable." CreationDate="2020-07-28T03:43:24.633" UserId="40297" />
  <row Id="22568" PostId="4648" Score="4" Text="Thanks so much again! The system, and the moderators, are remarkably efficient." CreationDate="2020-07-29T16:14:40.537" UserId="40297" />
  <row Id="22570" PostId="4649" Score="3" Text="Good find, but that user hasn't logged in since 2013, and it's better to use a custom moderator flag for this." CreationDate="2020-07-30T19:19:44.257" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22571" PostId="4649" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel My question already says &quot;I appreciate that the possible sockpuppet, has not been active lately&quot;. The problem with custom mod flags is that there's not much space to write." CreationDate="2020-07-30T19:20:53.337" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="22572" PostId="4649" Score="0" Text="Sorry, missed that. 500 characters should be enough, I guess, this answer isn't much longer." CreationDate="2020-07-30T19:21:32.840" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="22573" PostId="4649" Score="0" Text="I believe it is not possible to put screenshots, in mod flags." CreationDate="2020-07-30T19:22:09.363" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="22576" PostId="4649" Score="2" Text="Moderator flags are the best way to handle this, but since this is a network suspension and not a site suspension, it's more direct to contact SE staff directly - https://meta.mathoverflow.net/contact" CreationDate="2020-07-30T22:39:22.327" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="23578" PostId="4649" Score="2" Text="Actually, the ban ends on 2292, not 2092.  See https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/284807/177408" CreationDate="2020-07-31T02:59:48.160" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="23580" PostId="4649" Score="1" Text="Sockpuppeting is when a single person pretends to be multiple people, not when one person has two different accounts with the same name. My vague recollection of the fun and games with RM was that there were indeed two accounts at one stage but not with any nefarious intent -- or at least, any pretence was soon abandoned" CreationDate="2020-07-31T05:04:34.693" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23581" PostId="4649" Score="0" Text="Ron Maimon is a former moderator and used to be a valuable contributor to Phyics.SE --- I would welcome him back --- in any case, to call this a &quot;sockpuppet&quot; is offensive and inappropriate." CreationDate="2020-07-31T13:26:16.220" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="23594" PostId="4649" Score="3" Text="What was your goal in making this post?  You are directing unnecessary attention at a private individual, and you haven't mentioned anything that requires community action or discussion." CreationDate="2020-08-04T03:46:21.933" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="23586" PostId="4650" Score="0" Text="Thanks for pointing out that the account pre-dates the merging of MO into the SE network. It seems the user has not been using the &quot;old&quot; MO account anymore, and never merged it into their existing SE network account, which is what they use now (as recently as 6 days ago on Physics.SE). It seems the mods here are aware of the situation now, but choose not to suspend the old MO account, and it would be up to the network CMs that issued the network-wide suspension in the first place." CreationDate="2020-08-02T16:47:37.057" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="23587" PostId="4650" Score="0" Text="Since the user has not been active here, and member of this community [do not quite support the suspension](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4649/reporting-a-possible-2nd-account-belonging-to-a-network-wide-suspended-user/4650#comment23581_4649), and we seem to have no knowledge available to us about why the account was suspended, and the length of suspension does seem to be absurd, I haven't brought this to the attention of the network CMs. They can act on it if they see it by happenstance." CreationDate="2020-08-02T16:50:13.997" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="23588" PostId="4651" Score="1" Text="Are you *really* sure the remaining votes were by the same user as the other ones? This could have been a coincidence if, for example, one of the posts was mentioned somewhere so that it attracted attention." CreationDate="2020-08-03T11:54:40.567" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="23589" PostId="4651" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I have no way to be sure; I can't see who the upvoter was. I can say that I don't think either has had the kind of recent attention necessary; one had its last update 3 years ago and was linked to in another question last year, while the other had its most recent automatic update two months ago. Both were upvoted within about a minute of the others, so it seems very likely to be part of the same spree. Part of why I posted here was to get the attention of someone who might have the privileges to see if it was the same upvoter." CreationDate="2020-08-03T13:05:23.673" UserId="44191" />
  <row Id="23632" PostId="4652" Score="1" Text="However, giving a Field's medal to someone who didn't actually get one, is not a &quot;minor&quot; error." CreationDate="2020-08-07T15:00:51.097" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="23655" PostId="4652" Score="3" Text="@user1271772 It would not be a minor error for the IMU to make. For anyone else, it's not a big deal." CreationDate="2020-08-09T18:05:50.417" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="23656" PostId="4652" Score="4" Text="@user1271772: Context is key. If a mathematician erroneously claimed a Fields Medal on their own CV or website, that would be a very serious error. If MO is listing affiliated Fields Medallists as one among many supporting elements of a funding proposal, that’s not so big, though certainly worth pointing out and correcting. But since the error is in a *draft version* of that *ten year old* proposal, it seems of very little significance at all." CreationDate="2020-08-09T18:19:04.117" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="23590" PostId="4653" Score="1" Text="One possibility that occurs to me is that question titles may at least not be auto-expanded in comments.  Let's test:  https://mathoverflow.net/questions/231317/is-there-an-explicit-description-of-a-cobordism-between-mathbbcpn-and-ma .  OK, it seems that that is at least one circumstance where it doesn't happen.  Is there a way to trigger this (desireable, in my opinion) auto-expansion in comments?" CreationDate="2020-08-03T23:20:32.127" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23591" PostId="4653" Score="1" Text="Let's try it with a q instead of a questions.  https://mathoverflow.net/q/243490/  .  Gerhard &quot;Brevity Isn't Soul Of Autoexpansion&quot; Paseman, 2020.08.03." CreationDate="2020-08-04T00:02:43.970" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="23592" PostId="4653" Score="1" Text="@LSpice There are some cases where the auto-expansion doesn't work, e.g., when the text is preceded by certain special characters, e.g., as asked about in the main Meta's [&lt;s&gt;links&lt;/s&gt; are autocompleted on preview but not rendered when posted](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/351092/562482)." CreationDate="2020-08-04T01:27:15.903" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="23593" PostId="4653" Score="0" Text="@JohnOmielan, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4653/when-are-question-titles-auto-expanded#comment23592_4653)!" CreationDate="2020-08-04T01:46:58.683" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23595" PostId="4653" Score="1" Text="There is this post on [meta.se]: [What limitations does converting question links to links with titles have?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/108134) It is relatively old, so maybe some of the information there is already outdated." CreationDate="2020-08-04T04:58:26.960" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23602" PostId="4653" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, so, in [this MMO comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4653/when-are-question-titles-auto-expanded/4655#comment23595_4653) and (to pick a random example I saw) [this MO comment](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/368356/what-other-forums-do-you-use#comment929352_368356), you were just manually cut-and-pasting the question title?" CreationDate="2020-08-05T11:31:07.763" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23603" PostId="4653" Score="1" Text="@LSpice To make it faster, I use a bookmarklet for that. Incidentally, I have mentioned it in a [comment to the accepted answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4653/when-are-question-titles-auto-expanded/4655#comment23596_4655) to this question." CreationDate="2020-08-05T12:20:50.383" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23605" PostId="4653" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, sorry!  I noticed [that reference to the bookmarklet](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4653/when-are-question-titles-auto-expanded/4655#comment23596_4655), but somehow it didn't register that you were the one who'd posted it.  Thanks for your patience!" CreationDate="2020-08-05T15:41:05.910" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23596" PostId="4655" Score="2" Text="Re: *you have to copy the title yourself which is rather cumbersome.* For this purpose, I am using bookmarklet called &quot;Link&quot; created by NormalHuman: http://web.archive.org/web/20180705103212/https://normalhuman.github.io/stackmarklets/ http://msleziak.com/various/bookmarklets.html" CreationDate="2020-08-04T09:05:00.097" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23600" PostId="4657" Score="2" Text="&quot;It's best to use only HTML or only Markdown within a single paragraph&quot;: Excellent advice--Thanks! And &lt;b&gt; worked." CreationDate="2020-08-04T19:50:00.837" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="23742" PostId="4657" Score="0" Text="Incidentally, this appears to be the same genre of problem that bit @JosephO'Rourke in the post I wrote about at https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4632/why-dont-images-show-up-in-a-post , so it's good to have the general guidelines!" CreationDate="2020-08-15T01:47:45.550" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23619" PostId="4660" Score="3" Text="I've voted to undelete the question, but I don't have enough rep to see the deleted comments" CreationDate="2020-08-07T02:40:21.030" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23620" PostId="4660" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi neither do I, the OP deleted them. When I said it looked like homework, they said, roughly, &quot;no, it's my exam, I've got 3 hours left&quot;. And then &quot;bro, I don't want to fail&quot;. When I made my second comment pointing out the seriousness of the situation, they deleted the question." CreationDate="2020-08-07T03:48:22.653" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23621" PostId="4660" Score="2" Text="Wouldn't the action you suggest breach the [moderator agreement](https://mathoverflow.net/legal/moderator-agreement)? A related post on [meta.se]: [Is this moderator's suggestion a breach of the Stack Exchange privacy policy?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/158527)" CreationDate="2020-08-07T04:32:06.113" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23622" PostId="4660" Score="1" Text="You asked about similar instances on [math.se]. You can find many related discussions on [math.meta.se], for example: [What do we do with users who post numerous unlabeled homework questions?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1652), [Student posting assignment questions - what action to take?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21539), [One of my students may be getting math.SE to do their homework](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2012). (Maybe also: [How did this question get so famous?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6798))" CreationDate="2020-08-07T05:35:15.937" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23623" PostId="4660" Score="4" Text="@MartinSleziak I don't mean homework, that's a given. I mean *exam questions*, which is probably a newer phenomenon, and which I imagine is now worse given the pandemic." CreationDate="2020-08-07T06:06:13.800" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23624" PostId="4660" Score="2" Text="The closest I remember is this: [Math exchange's policies for online exams and COVID-19](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31368). As pointed out in the comments, there is a long-standing [“Contest problem” policy](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/16774) - online exams are *to some extent* similar to online contests. (When you write about homework *that's a given*, you mean on [math.se], not on [mathoverflow.se], right?)" CreationDate="2020-08-07T06:17:04.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23625" PostId="4660" Score="1" Text="Some other posts related to exams: [Posting exam questions](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9021) and [Is it our responsibility to police for competition/exam/etc questions?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/11189)" CreationDate="2020-08-07T07:32:57.427" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23634" PostId="4660" Score="4" Text="Why is there this need to punish a misguided kid?" CreationDate="2020-08-07T21:30:52.230" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="23635" PostId="4660" Score="5" Text="Yeah, I think now I've had some time, I'm not keen on the punitive aspect. But I think MO needs to settle on a policy, and I hope this question can provoke the required discussion." CreationDate="2020-08-08T02:32:10.287" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23636" PostId="4662" Score="1" Text="Yes to closing the Q and deleting the account. But the question deleted ... do we scrupulously delete homework questions here? Maybe the software takes care of it, but many times I just see such a question get a -1 score and closed, with a comment to the OP with advice to do a bit of work before asking in another forum. Having some questions that are off-topic visible and closed is useful too, as long as they don't start interfering with the on-topic ones." CreationDate="2020-08-08T04:45:51.867" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23637" PostId="4662" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts If a closed question has negative score and *no answers*, it gets eventually deleted by [roomba](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba). Some time ago quid posted this on MathOverflow Meta: [Should we try to re-start manual deletions or is the situation fine anyway?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2232)" CreationDate="2020-08-08T06:38:23.470" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23638" PostId="4662" Score="2" Text="@David To add on the automatic deletion, once you delete an account, any negative scored contributions are deleted with it." CreationDate="2020-08-08T08:54:59.190" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="23639" PostId="4662" Score="1" Text="OK, so it's a software thing. But it's not instantaneous, which is reasonable. As being on the lecturing end finding my students cheating this past semester, I appreciate there being at least a temporary breadcrumb trail that google can see, even it goes away after a week." CreationDate="2020-08-08T09:22:01.967" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23647" PostId="4664" Score="4" Text="That may not be the norm, but it has precedent. As long as the accounts are non voting or minimally so, and each individual account behaves nicely, there should be no cause for alarm.  However, some of these accounts do not behave nicely. My recommendation is to flag, and then comment why the flag was raised. Gerhard &quot;Recommends Consistent Teaching By Example&quot; Paseman, 2020.08.08." CreationDate="2020-08-08T19:09:37.643" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="23648" PostId="4664" Score="9" Text="@GerhardPaseman, I know that there are some users who sling multiple accounts harmlessly; but, if all the accounts are pushing the same message, as here, then it begins to me at least to smack of some sort of effort to evade consequences for questions or amplify his voice.  (I admit I don't really understand the point of these multiple accounts—there is at least, clearly, no attempt to obfuscate that they all come from the same person—but am still made uncomfortable by them.)" CreationDate="2020-08-08T19:14:35.633" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23650" PostId="4664" Score="4" Text="At least one of these accounts was [suspended](https://mathoverflow.net/users/163098/anthony-dwayne-chapelle) for &quot;low quality posts&quot;, I presume this is why the user needs a different account, but it is definitely an abuse of the system." CreationDate="2020-08-08T20:00:57.180" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="23651" PostId="4664" Score="4" Text="We're dealing with this and we also forwarded to SE staff in case there is need for network-wide action. Thank you for your investigative work!" CreationDate="2020-08-08T20:52:17.087" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="23653" PostId="4664" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, thanks!  Just to be clear, I did no investigative work, and so deserve no credit for it; probably @‍YemonChoi does if anyone does." CreationDate="2020-08-08T21:05:23.523" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23654" PostId="4664" Score="2" Text="@CarloBeenakker I think there were multiple accounts even before one of them got suspended. My own assumption was that this was a new user who didn't realise or care that every time cookies are cleared a new account got created, and to be honest I just wanted them to commit to one of those accounts" CreationDate="2020-08-09T00:07:30.477" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23803" PostId="4664" Score="1" Text="I actually noticed such a flooding in May-June: [Riemann Zeta function and Catalan's constant](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/359556/), [The Cauchy principal value of the Riemann Zeta function](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/359332/), [Limits of Functions Involving the Riemann Zeta Function](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/359289/), [General definition for a zeta function](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/358567), [A question on the Riemann zeta function](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/356534/). (...)" CreationDate="2020-08-20T10:26:53.443" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="23804" PostId="4664" Score="1" Text="(...) [On the Absolute Value of the Riemann Zeta Function on the Critical Line](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/359385/), &#xA;[Representation of the Riemann Zeta Function as a Product](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/359816/)" CreationDate="2020-08-20T10:26:57.007" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="23906" PostId="4664" Score="1" Text="@YCor I have not looked at all of these, but they seem different in tone (and basic maturity of expression) than the accounts LSpice is referring to" CreationDate="2020-08-23T18:21:30.447" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24018" PostId="4664" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure this user must be related: https://mathoverflow.net/users/165356/user165356" CreationDate="2020-09-15T04:40:39.840" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="23649" PostId="4665" Score="10" Text="Wow.  That certainly does make a search for easy proofs of the Riemann hypothesis pale by comparison." CreationDate="2020-08-08T19:25:13.123" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23652" PostId="4665" Score="6" Text="Thank you for the additional information. We have notified the SE Team about this user since their disruptive activities are spread across several sites." CreationDate="2020-08-08T20:55:10.307" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="23657" PostId="4665" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais can you notify the SE team again? Check Glorfindel's link again, there's some pretty weird stuff going on." CreationDate="2020-08-11T04:16:49.680" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23976" PostId="4665" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I am not 100 percent sure but some of the behaviour of this account https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&amp;username=user33800 looks similar (both in terms of preoccupations and patterns of action)" CreationDate="2020-09-06T03:59:29.873" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23661" PostId="4667" Score="4" Text="@Pres10: It would be an option that would change the nature of the site, in a sinister way." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:21:44.857" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23662" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="@GHfromMO yes, that's what I have read as well." CreationDate="2020-08-11T11:14:57.317" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23663" PostId="4667" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts: Thanks for the correction! At any rate, he held no position as a mathematician or a university professor, yet he could publish his work (which was not well-written as far as I know - I have not studied it myself)." CreationDate="2020-08-11T10:40:57.793" UserId="11919" />
  <row Id="23664" PostId="4667" Score="5" Text="@GHfromMO as an aside, it turns out Heegner was not a high school teacher, but an independent scholar. The 'teacher' story seems to be an urban legend, that I once repeated, but Norbert Schappacher, a historian of mathematics, got in contact with me to correct me, so I could correct what I wrote." CreationDate="2020-08-11T10:33:59.673" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23665" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="@LSpice: Recognition is a subjective term. What I really meant is: fantastic papers will be published. In my field (which is number theory) I don't know of any significant result in the past 100 years which was dismissed initially. The closest that comes to my mind is that some people had doubts about Heegner's solution of the Gauss class number one problem, but Heegner (as a high school teacher) had no problem publishing his result in Mathematische Zeitschrift." CreationDate="2020-08-11T10:29:16.390" UserId="11919" />
  <row Id="23666" PostId="4667" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson: I have seen award laudatios and grant proposal reports mentioning MathOverflow activity in a positive tone. I am also aware of the other side, namely I know serious people who do not think highly of MathOverflow. I think it is partly a generation problem." CreationDate="2020-08-11T10:24:21.633" UserId="11919" />
  <row Id="23667" PostId="4667" Score="1" Text="@GHfromMO, [re](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/368859/what-is-the-best-way-to-ask-for-comments-on-your-proposed-proof-of-some-known-th#comment930907_368859) &quot;If the person submits a fantastic paper, then it will be recognized&quot;—while the other advice here rings true, I think that's over-optimistic.  Even with math being relatively meritocratic, it's hard to believe that there aren't amazing papers out there that have languished unrecognised (especially since errors the other way definitely *do* happen: there are terrible-by-some-metric papers that get lots of recognition)." CreationDate="2020-08-11T09:38:52.207" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23668" PostId="4667" Score="3" Text="I suggest you read the [advice on academia.se](https://academia.stackexchange.com/a/18570/958) for this specific case." CreationDate="2020-08-11T08:17:43.167" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="23669" PostId="4667" Score="1" Text="If you can find a new proof of a famous theorem, Pres, then you're good enough to find proofs of your own theorems. Publish a few of those, and, voila! you have the reputation to submit your new proof of a famous theorem somewhere." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:54:39.370" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="23670" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="&quot;By the way, the person can start building his/her reputation here at MathOverflow. He/she could answer a few hundred questions here, and then he/she will be taken rather seriously.&quot; @GHfromMO the two most recent heads of department at my former institution of higher learning did not share your opinion." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:50:26.193" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="23671" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi, it would be an option that one would have to choose or reject..." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:19:25.240" UserId="480516" />
  <row Id="23672" PostId="4667" Score="3" Text="I am not a professional mathematician. If anyone reads my proofs, it is because they are interested in the results or the methods, definitely not because of my career status.  Gerhard &quot;Worked Hard To Avoid Working&quot; Paseman, 2020.08.11." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:19:19.337" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="23673" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni thanks for that link, that is an excellent answer." CreationDate="2020-08-11T11:21:03.413" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23674" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman, yes, i would rather get the 5 minutes$-$to me it's a worthy risk to take." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:17:58.387" UserId="480516" />
  <row Id="23675" PostId="4667" Score="5" Text="How about instead you ask questions within the scope of the forum? Would you rather get five minutes of attention, be told your proof is wrong and then be banned forever, or instead learn how to use the services of the forum, and possibly learn how to check your own proof? Gerhard &quot;MathOverflow Doesn't Do Referee Services&quot; Paseman, 2020.08.11." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:16:33.963" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="23676" PostId="4667" Score="6" Text="This would have been better asked on meta.mathoverflow." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:16:28.153" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23677" PostId="4667" Score="8" Text="It is possible to ask several  specific questions about specific technical points. This should be enough for everyone willing to be a professional mathematician." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:15:21.670" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23678" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="@GHfromMO, i certainly know of several short and published papers that could be chekced in 2 days, at most. Newman's short proof of the PNT, Simon Donaldson's first paper (1983 if i'm not mistaken) quickly come to mind." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:14:25.763" UserId="480516" />
  <row Id="23679" PostId="4667" Score="9" Text="Yes, the person has to work 100 days for someone else's 10 minutes. BTW a decent paper takes several months to check, not 10 minutes. There are papers which appear 4 years after submission (not because it was rejected)." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:10:10.570" UserId="11919" />
  <row Id="23680" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="@GHfromMO, answering a few hundred questions could take at least 100 days (assuming one answer per day). On the other hand, having their proposed proof checked could take less than 10 minutes.  And if found wrong, they could be banned immediately. Fair enough ?" CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:08:16.533" UserId="480516" />
  <row Id="23681" PostId="4667" Score="5" Text="By the way, the person can start building his/her reputation here at MathOverflow. He/she could answer a few hundred questions here, and then he/she will be taken rather seriously." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:05:42.243" UserId="11919" />
  <row Id="23682" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="@GerhardPaseman, i do acknowledge that MO is not meant for such a service. But that could be much, much easier for you to say because you could have better access/connections to professional mathematicians who could assist you. Therefore, what i'm asking is whether MO's policy could be flexible, hence the suggestion at the end of my post." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:03:55.033" UserId="480516" />
  <row Id="23683" PostId="4667" Score="6" Text="The person has no other chance than to submit to a journal and wait. That's what all of us do. And we all build up our knowledge and reputation from scratch, step by step. We all start our lives as infants. That's how the world is. If the person submits a fantastic paper, then it will be recognized." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:02:19.643" UserId="11919" />
  <row Id="23684" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="@GHfromMO, yes, it is **almost** certain that their proposed proof is incorrect, but it's not entirely impossible that it could be a Ramanjuan-type of case. Also, some journals also have some kind of reputation for not even sending such papers for review, regardless of content." CreationDate="2020-08-11T06:59:26.847" UserId="480516" />
  <row Id="23685" PostId="4667" Score="7" Text="A new proof should be submitted to a professional journal for checking. MathOverflow and the arXiv do not serve this purpose. If the person does not have a decent publication record (containing several new and interesting theorems), then most likely his/her short proof of the famous theorem is incorrect." CreationDate="2020-08-11T06:55:16.863" UserId="11919" />
  <row Id="23686" PostId="4667" Score="17" Text="Don't.  Just don't.  MathOverflow is not meant for such a service.  You are more likely to alienate the help you seek by doing what you propose.  Gerhard &quot;Better To Blog Your Result&quot; Paseman, 2020.08.10." CreationDate="2020-08-11T06:55:16.297" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="23687" PostId="4667" Score="8" Text="About the point &quot;And as soon as any mistake is found, have their account banned definitely or indefinitely ?&quot;: here I utterly disagree. Our purpose here is to learn and discuss Mathematics, not to punish someone else's mistakes." CreationDate="2020-08-11T07:17:51.197" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23688" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="Now, if you are willing to pay for a service, that is different.  Check out my 3402 user page if, instead of risking being ostracized, you prefer to buy someone some coffee. Gerhard &quot;Will Read Some For Coffee&quot; Paseman, 2020.08.11." CreationDate="2020-08-11T16:53:56.433" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="23690" PostId="4667" Score="6" Text="A genuine new proof of a theorem all of whose current proofs are very difficult very likely cannot be checked within 10 minutes. If the author of such a “proof” actually thinks it’s so easy that it can be understood by anyone in ten minutes, it is almost certainly wrong and indicates that the author does not understand the difficulties surrounding the theorem." CreationDate="2020-08-12T09:47:42.830" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="23711" PostId="4667" Score="3" Text="Perhaps I am stating the obvious here: you are likely not Ed Witten." CreationDate="2020-08-13T16:52:01.163" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="23714" PostId="4667" Score="6" Text="Your latest comments paint a picture of your approach to this that puts you squarely in the same category as cranks to a lot of people. That is a good way to make sure nobody will take you seriously." CreationDate="2020-08-13T17:41:43.240" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="23689" PostId="4669" Score="4" Text="Somewhat related discussion on [math.meta.se]: [Why favorite but not upvote?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/25295)" CreationDate="2020-08-12T05:44:45.970" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23882" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="Oops, sorry.  The typo was bothering me in the HNQ list, and I forgot that this one might not already be on the front page.  Sorry for the bump!" CreationDate="2020-08-21T22:10:26.367" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23797" PostId="4670" Score="5" Text="For very highly-upvoted questions, people might not upvote a question if they like it, but feel it has been upvoted &quot;enough&quot; and its score accurately reflects its quality.  That may be a partial explanation for the question Ali linked." CreationDate="2020-08-19T20:45:11.317" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="23886" PostId="4670" Score="0" Text="@WillSawin I agree that this is probably a real phenomenon. I'm conflicted as to whether it's a good, bad, or indifferent phenomenon. As I think about it, there are lots of factors at play. But maybe it should suffice to say the following: when deciding whether to upvote a question / answer, one's _primary_ consideration should simply be the straight-up question &quot;does this question/answer have merit?&quot; -- the question &quot;does this question/answer already have 'enough' votes?&quot; should carry _much_ less weight (if any) as a rule. I wonder if there has been discussion of this on meta before?" CreationDate="2020-08-22T15:13:09.767" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23952" PostId="4670" Score="0" Text="In case anybody else is curious, I did just find a [SE meta post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/15706/should-good-answers-always-be-upvoted) about this aspect of voting." CreationDate="2020-08-31T19:22:16.797" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23691" PostId="4671" Score="5" Text="On main, I wrote...To clarify: &quot;No other obvious place in the ICM program.&quot; According to the fourth bullet point in the question, this kind of lecture could fit as an ICM special lecture. I stand by my argument that such a talk could help propel the math community to a better place, and could help mathematicians understand the current status, current initiatives, and research on what works. I do not think a &quot;rebuttal&quot; would be necessary, as the talk would be based on the published literature, and not what people feel we should or should not be doing. ICM can help legitimize this kind of work." CreationDate="2020-08-12T12:01:11.780" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="23692" PostId="4671" Score="11" Text="I had nothing to do with the deletion of comments, and I'm glad yours is surviving here, because it shows the division within the community. However, the deletion of the comments by Harry Gindi does not represent silencing of dissent. He deleted his own comments, as he wrote that he was going to do here: https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/111634/discussion-about-suggestion-of-icm-talk-focusing-on-making-math-more-diverse-inc" CreationDate="2020-08-12T12:02:19.180" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="23693" PostId="4671" Score="2" Text="Thanks, I was unaware of Harry's comments (and of the existence of the chat)." CreationDate="2020-08-12T12:15:21.070" UserId="117073" />
  <row Id="23694" PostId="4671" Score="49" Text="Reminder to everyone that Patriot is an apologist for slavery and treason, and should not be treated as a good faith participant in this kind of discussion." CreationDate="2020-08-12T16:12:46.067" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23695" PostId="4671" Score="30" Text="@NoahSnyder, as someone who disagrees with the premise of this question and downvoted it, does [this](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4671/why-was-my-dissenting-viewpoint-in-a-post-about-diversity-censored#comment23694_4671) belong in a meta question?  Presumably the answer, if the comments were removed, is that they violate community norms or site guidelines; it doesn't matter who made them. I wouldn't like to see *ad hominem* attacks become involved in policy decisions." CreationDate="2020-08-12T16:17:13.170" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23696" PostId="4671" Score="33" Text="@LSpice: Generally I think that's true, but I make an exception for Confederates and Nazis who have no place in decent society." CreationDate="2020-08-12T16:18:33.940" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23697" PostId="4671" Score="37" Text="I also think it's telling that this discussion is certain to have more overt white supremacists involved in it than underrepresented minorities." CreationDate="2020-08-12T16:21:21.627" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23698" PostId="4671" Score="21" Text="@NoahSnyder isn't treason a good thing sometimes? Say a soldier who refuses to execute civilians in spite of a direct order is committing treason. Morally equating slavery with treason implies that good people should never question the state (or maybe you didn't equate them but then why mention Patriot's view on treason at all)." CreationDate="2020-08-12T17:25:07.373" UserDisplayName="user158636" />
  <row Id="23699" PostId="4671" Score="21" Text="Noah Snyder, your comments (here and on some other posts) seem to me antifascist enough that I am uncomfortable sharing a forum with you.  I am willing to strike an uneasy peace with you by not commenting further in this thread if you will do the same (meaning your not commenting further in this thread also).  I won't even assume lack of response as agreement with this; I'll just be grateful for the lack of response." CreationDate="2020-08-12T20:03:45.650" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="23700" PostId="4671" Score="56" Text="@GerhardPaseman But it's fine for you to share a forum with fascists and apologists? Hypocrisy much?" CreationDate="2020-08-12T20:31:39.890" UserId="89302" />
  <row Id="23701" PostId="4671" Score="12" Text="In the linked chat, it was suggested that the comments were possibly deleted automatically as a result of receiving too many flags. The [help centre](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/flag-posts) offers the following vague wording: &quot;In addition to bringing the comment to the attention of the moderators, a sufficient number of flags on a single comment will cause it to be deleted automatically. The number of flags required for deletion varies based on the number of votes on the comment, as well as the content of the comment itself.&quot; Can moderators confirm that this is what happened?" CreationDate="2020-08-12T20:53:45.133" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="23702" PostId="4671" Score="9" Text="@R.vanDobbendeBruyn : [This post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/19757) says that the number of flags needed to trigger deletion is 3 + score/3, rounded up, unless the comment contains certain keywords that lower the threshold. To delete a comment with a score of 60+ in this manner would seem to require a coordinated effort." CreationDate="2020-08-13T00:05:46.993" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="23703" PostId="4671" Score="31" Text="@Sayan, I respond with great reluctance: I want to share a forum with mathematicians and people who discuss mathematics, not politics and not the politics of exclusion.  Unfortunately, MathOverflow is rife with the politics of exclusion, and I am sad that it did not develop into the idea of inclusion that I once had for it.  Your remark is inciteful, not insightful, and I wish you would remove it." CreationDate="2020-08-13T00:26:22.623" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="23704" PostId="4671" Score="6" Text="@GerhardPaseman Speaking generally, I share your viewpoint; I strongly agree with you that disregarding rules in order to extraordinarily punish someone is a way of making those rules irrelevant even when they would help, and often is counterproductive. That said, from the outside, your &quot;peace&quot; honestly looks like you saying &quot;please shut up&quot; to me, in large part because it came before you and Noah Snyder had a disagreement that would clearly benefit from both of you &quot;peacing out&quot;. I'm sure there's more context I'm missing - e.g. those &quot;other posts&quot; - but that is how it appeared to me." CreationDate="2020-08-13T01:31:02.777" UserId="44191" />
  <row Id="23705" PostId="4671" Score="11" Text="Some context: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3981/why-was-there-pushback-on-a-users-profile-image" CreationDate="2020-08-13T08:19:33.443" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="23706" PostId="4671" Score="6" Text="@crispr: Disobeying an order is not treason; disobeying a clearly illegal order is a requirement of every soldier in any modern army, at the very least in the western countries (whether or not this is enforced is a different story). The &quot;superior orders&quot; was shown to not work as a legal defense at the Nuremberg trails." CreationDate="2020-08-13T11:59:37.340" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="23707" PostId="4671" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila but the treason referred to by Noah Snyder did not happen in the modern times I think. Also, laws are written by the state too, aren't they? Were the founders of the United States traitors?" CreationDate="2020-08-13T12:03:16.703" UserDisplayName="user158636" />
  <row Id="23708" PostId="4671" Score="2" Text="To clarify I am not defending the confederates. I denounce their actions because I think that refusing to outlaw slavery and taking military action to prevent it from getting outlawed is immoral. I do not however think that treason is immoral per se." CreationDate="2020-08-13T12:21:28.397" UserDisplayName="user158636" />
  <row Id="23713" PostId="4671" Score="4" Text="@crispr I suspect one reason Noah chose to mention &quot;treason&quot; was to point out the contrast with the username &quot;Patriot&quot;.  They are very nearly contradictory, independent of your moral stance regarding treason." CreationDate="2020-08-13T17:40:07.177" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="23740" PostId="4671" Score="28" Text="@GerhardPaseman Hi Gerhard, I hope all has been well since the MO celebration last year. I agree with your sentiment that these discussions are 'ugly' and non mathematical, but these topics are inherently ugly and open discourse around them is necessary to collectively perceive them and decide if we should take action. Encouraging everyone to stay quiet on the matter (even in pursuit of peace) indirectly supports the status quo since it has inertia on its side, and the status quo is unacceptable to many people including myself. I also hope for civility, but rudeness is preferential to silence." CreationDate="2020-08-14T15:49:32.130" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="23752" PostId="4671" Score="15" Text="@NoahSnyder Initially, [this comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4671/#comment23694_4671) came across to me as (i) a harsh accusation, which was (ii) lacking in substantiating evidence. Finally, [Theo provided some context](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4671/cb=1#comment23705_4671). I think the discussion here would have greatly benefited if you included a link like Theo's from the beginning so that we all knew what you were talking about. In that spirit, is there any further specific context we should be aware of when forming our own opinions _vis a vis_ user &quot;Patriot&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-08-15T20:23:15.353" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23753" PostId="4671" Score="6" Text="@TimCampion: You're right, next time I'll link (and also not mention treason, since that seems to have caused a lot of irrelevant distraction)." CreationDate="2020-08-15T21:07:12.147" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23759" PostId="4671" Score="31" Text="@NoahSnyder: &quot;Patriot is an apologist for slavery and treason&quot; or, as Occam's Razor would suggest, someone who trolls people with a Confederate Flag avatar. Not something I'd do myself, but something I have seen people do and I can well sympathize with. Your summary is alarmist BS, and you knew this, which is why you gave no details and didn't link to the meta thread." CreationDate="2020-08-16T16:20:19.397" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="23780" PostId="4671" Score="16" Text="@darijgrinberg My bold guess is that people who find the flag offensive don't see the distinction you draw between (1) trolls who use the flag publicly, and (2) true believers who use the flag publicly, as a particularly useful or interesting one.  I would suppose that from their perspective, anyone who plants the flag in a public forum goes into the same mental box and it would be a waste of time to do otherwise.  Incidentally, do you think MathOverflow should be more welcoming to trolls than to the people they pretend to be?" CreationDate="2020-08-18T07:21:30.653" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="23785" PostId="4671" Score="22" Text="@S.Carnahan: The question here is not how welcoming we should be to a certain person, but how interested we should be in a certain question. Patriot's question was obviously of interest to the meta community, seeing that it got 13 upvotes. I, too, think it is a valid question, which does not magically change just because it was asked with trollish intent. (Besides, it also mentioned RP_'s comments being deleted; RP_, unlike Patriot, is a long-time contributor with 66 answers.)" CreationDate="2020-08-18T17:30:15.367" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="23881" PostId="4671" Score="11" Text="@darijgrinberg &quot;We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.&quot; - Kurt Vonnegut." CreationDate="2020-08-21T21:32:33.140" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="23913" PostId="4671" Score="0" Text="Comments on SE are ephemeral. Complaints about deleted comments are a waste of time." CreationDate="2020-08-24T23:26:00.720" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="23715" PostId="4672" Score="0" Text="Seven years? Oh wow. It feels just yesterday. Well, maybe last week. Did we lose any moderators since then? I have a feeling that the answer is yes, but I'm not sure who." CreationDate="2020-08-13T18:08:08.233" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="23716" PostId="4672" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila:  I think Mariano Suarez-Alvarez who was elected along with Todd Trimble is no longer a moderator.  From the original list, Anton Geraschenko also stepped down.  I don't know if there are any other cases ..." CreationDate="2020-08-13T18:10:55.030" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23717" PostId="4672" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila October 2018: [Were there some recent changes to the moderators' team?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3917) The answer suggests that Mariano Suárez-Alvarez could get back his diamond if he wanted to. This post also lists the moderators and their changes over time: [History of MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/753). (We'll see whether all moderators will stay after September 7.)" CreationDate="2020-08-13T18:26:52.313" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23718" PostId="4672" Score="4" Text="I fear a moderator election during the peak a presidential campaign based on how moderators should respond to politically charged discussions will be... unpleasant?" CreationDate="2020-08-13T18:30:57.567" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23719" PostId="4672" Score="8" Text="@NoahSnyder:   That's another reason for considering new moderators:  there is a world outside the US.  The presidential campaign will obviously still be relevant to the outside world, but your comment reveals how much of our discussions is dominated by an American viewpoint." CreationDate="2020-08-13T18:34:24.010" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23720" PostId="4672" Score="2" Text="@Lucia: I'm not sure I understand, if you don't want the moderator election to be dominated by American politics, then isn't now exactly the wrong time to have it?" CreationDate="2020-08-13T19:03:16.510" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23721" PostId="4672" Score="6" Text="@NoahSnyder: I think it would be good to have people from perspectives outside the US be moderators.  For many people, the presidential campaign is not likely to be the soul-sucking emotional nightmare that it is for us Americans.  So worrying about the presidential campaign is also just one very particular perspective.  I'm aware that three of the moderators are currently not in the US; but still these three were at grad school with you in Berkeley!  For example, it would be nice to have someone from Europe who is active on MO be a moderator." CreationDate="2020-08-13T19:06:12.143" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23722" PostId="4672" Score="6" Text="@Lucia: I certainly agree that having a moderator residing in Europe would be good for a lot of reasons (time zone, perspective, different networks), and that Mariano leaving was a loss." CreationDate="2020-08-13T19:15:36.953" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23773" PostId="4672" Score="0" Text="Did anyone contact the moderators to hear what they have to say on the topic?" CreationDate="2020-08-17T18:14:20.713" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="23774" PostId="4672" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila:  I don't know -- I didn't.  Presumably they are on Meta and have seen this.  I guess some of the reservations expressed in earlier answers will still apply.  But I also think there are plenty of people who could be trusted to do a thoughtful job (as a moderator)." CreationDate="2020-08-17T18:20:09.867" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23775" PostId="4672" Score="0" Text="Thoughtful job as a moderator, or thoughtful job sending an email? I didn't want to send an email if one was already sent. (It's not that I disrespect *your* time to reply to my comments, don't get me wrong...)" CreationDate="2020-08-17T18:21:11.380" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="23829" PostId="4672" Score="0" Text="I think nothing would make me happier than to have Lucia as a moderator, tbh." CreationDate="2020-08-21T05:20:52.430" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24039" PostId="4672" Score="3" Text="The moderators are in agreement to have a moderator election." CreationDate="2020-09-21T02:58:07.453" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24172" PostId="4672" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble: Now seems a good time to ask if you have an idea of when that would be." CreationDate="2020-11-07T23:41:29.330" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24173" PostId="4672" Score="0" Text="@Lucia No, not exactly. Discussions about the next moderator election are still ongoing." CreationDate="2020-11-08T01:45:18.527" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="23723" PostId="4673" Score="53" Text="I had read the comments by RP_ and by Patriot.  I don't see what was so objectionable about these that they should be removed.   Removing comments that one disagrees with does not fit with my ideas of liberal democratic discourse.  I can understand if the comments were rude, or hateful, or distasteful, or ... ; but the comments that were removed were not in this category." CreationDate="2020-08-13T19:58:07.327" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23724" PostId="4673" Score="16" Text="@Lucia The comments in question were borderline to me, and I am in fact still a bit conflicted.  On one hand, comments on MO are not really meant as a place for liberal democratic discourse, and the standard for deletion of non-mathematical comments is quite low, but on the other hand, the specific deletion of those two comments could give an impression of favoritism.  I am much more in favor of moving all of the comments to chat, because they are a distraction from the point of Martin Hairer's question, and of MO itself." CreationDate="2020-08-13T20:18:35.307" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="23725" PostId="4673" Score="32" Text="Thanks for that response.  Indeed it would have been better to remove all the comments to chat.  I agree that the bar should be very low for irrelevant mathematical comments, but the discussion there was not mathematical.  So perhaps different standards may apply?  In any case, I strongly feel removing comments of this nature often backfires and ends up alienating people.   Either political discussions should be avoided altogether (I would be very happy with that), or one must allow that others might have different/uncomfortable opinions." CreationDate="2020-08-13T20:22:13.017" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23726" PostId="4673" Score="25" Text="I'd like to second @Lucia, and I think the real rationale behind deleting the comment was that it goes against the currently fashionable idea to introduce policies to specifically promote particular groups of people, and this also seems to be the reason why the deletion sparks such an amount of controversy." CreationDate="2020-08-13T20:33:21.520" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="23727" PostId="4673" Score="9" Text="Thanks for moving all the comments to chat.  Since this restores the comments of RP_, Patriot and others, it addresses all my concerns." CreationDate="2020-08-13T20:58:36.353" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23728" PostId="4673" Score="7" Text="I think the next time something like this happens, the first move is a moderator moving stuff to chat.  I might disagree with the move,   but if the rationale is to anticipate a flame war and move it away from the post, I and others are more likely to forgive and even applaud such preventative action.  Deletion can still occur if needed.  I apologize to Noah Snyder for continuing in this thread, and am willing to avoid chat rooms where he believes certain of his comments are needed.  Gerhard &quot;Trying To Restore Signature Humor&quot; Paseman, 2020.08.13." CreationDate="2020-08-13T21:01:16.913" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="23729" PostId="4673" Score="6" Text="@Lucia I restored the moderator-deleted comments by hand.  Other deleted comments were not transferred." CreationDate="2020-08-13T21:01:27.600" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="23730" PostId="4673" Score="15" Text="@GerhardPaseman What, precisely, is &quot;something like this&quot;?  Why is Noah Snyder's name even mentioned here?  Your comments on this page and the corresponding MO page have been incredibly vague and unhelpful." CreationDate="2020-08-13T21:13:22.487" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="23731" PostId="4673" Score="12" Text="It is perhaps partially my fault that the moderators did not move the comments to chat, because I asked them not to in an email. I felt the comment thread was helping to make the case that the math community still has some reckoning to do about diversity, and I feared that if it was all moved to chat then many would never see it. However, I trust the moderators to know best, and I respect their decision today to move it all to chat." CreationDate="2020-08-13T21:22:04.027" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="23732" PostId="4673" Score="5" Text="Then delete them. I don't think you would appreciate my response.  I think I'm done here." CreationDate="2020-08-13T21:34:36.550" UserId="3402" />
  <row Id="23733" PostId="4673" Score="2" Text="@DavidWhite The existence of that comment thread was one of the main reasons why I decided not to engage (I'm not saying I would definitely engage with a dicsussion in chat, but that seemed much more suitable). Although I can't help pointing out that the comment thread mostly made me feel like Mercutio, R+J Act III Scene 1" CreationDate="2020-08-13T23:54:34.777" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23734" PostId="4673" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi:  Thanks for the Mercutio reference.  It would be wonderful to put that in a guide for newcomers to MO!" CreationDate="2020-08-14T00:00:40.360" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23735" PostId="4673" Score="34" Text="@DavidWhite Also, and I say this with kindness intended at heart, it is quite possible for me to despise the racism in e.g. the UK without being fully on board with the language of diversity that I see trumpeted by the younger revolutionaries in online maths communities, not least because I get a touch grumpy about being POCsplained to. Not that I view you as having done so, but just to put &quot;the math community still has some reckoning to do about diversity&quot; in some global context" CreationDate="2020-08-14T00:01:00.737" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23736" PostId="4673" Score="12" Text="@Lucia Thank you. For what it's worth, I must admit that my political beliefs probably lean a bit closer to Scott or Noah than to those who have disagreed with them, but mainly I wish that MO stuck to the things that might have a hope in hell of uniting us rather than providing another forum for us all to discover how much we disagree with each other" CreationDate="2020-08-14T00:06:06.927" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23737" PostId="4673" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi:  Agreed!" CreationDate="2020-08-14T00:19:12.337" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23738" PostId="4673" Score="22" Text="@YemonChoi: Most of us have most of participation here about math, but that's not true of Patriot who has spent the majority of their time here doing racist trolling and very little doing mathematics.  I'm happy to respectfully disagree with you or Lucia and learn from your perspective, but as I said above Patriot is not a good faith participant who we should be seeking common ground with." CreationDate="2020-08-14T02:09:38.143" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23739" PostId="4673" Score="11" Text="Although you have mentioned that the messages have been moved to chat, some users might have problem finding that room. (Especially since the room was frozen.) So it might be useful to include a link to the room which you have created: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/111776" CreationDate="2020-08-14T04:46:14.440" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23770" PostId="4673" Score="1" Text="@NoahSnyder I am 100% behind you.  I just want to point out the possibility that while the account Patriot has spent most of their time on racist trolling, it is likely that the human being behind that username has been doing more substantial mathematics through other accounts." CreationDate="2020-08-17T15:31:40.183" UserId="1106" />
  <row Id="23772" PostId="4673" Score="6" Text="@StevenGubkin: I really don't want to speculate in that direction, but if that's the case then that's honestly much worse.  But I think that kind of speculation is pretty dangerous and usually leads to mistaken identifications, and if someone is using a sock puppet account inappropriately I trust the moderators and would discourage anyone else trying to do anything." CreationDate="2020-08-17T18:13:26.147" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23781" PostId="4673" Score="23" Text="@NoahSnyder I'm not sure I agree that user &quot;Patriot&quot; has spent &quot;most&quot; of their time engaging in racist trolling. Yes, they initially had a racist avatar, but they seem to have accepted the mods' authority to do remove it. I also find their username to be unnecessarily politically charged. But when I look at their post history, I'm seeing on-topic, civil discussion for the past few years. So unless there's some pattern of making trollish comments and then deleting them (which would presumably be grounds for suspension), I just don't see it." CreationDate="2020-08-18T11:16:40.510" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23787" PostId="4673" Score="9" Text="Moving the comments to chat has one inconvenient though: it destroys the information contained in the upvote of the comments. The only honest solution is to put back all the comments, without censorship, at their initial place. I do not believe in Carnahan's honesty, but I will change my mind if I am proven wrong." CreationDate="2020-08-19T10:57:06.397" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="23789" PostId="4673" Score="3" Text="@Joël I respect your commitment to transparency/free speech but I have long felt that the problem with comment upvotes is that there are no comment downvotes (this used to drive me crazy on academia.SE as at least one user was fond of shooting from the hip in comments, and attracting upvotes just by a &quot;ratchet&quot; or &quot;diode&quot; effect)" CreationDate="2020-08-19T15:10:42.830" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23790" PostId="4673" Score="7" Text="@Yemon. Yes, I agree. But this defect is partially solved by the upvotes of other comments with opposed views. This is why it is particularly dishonest in a case like this to censor the comments defending one point of view and not the comments defending the opposing one." CreationDate="2020-08-19T15:35:13.803" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="23791" PostId="4673" Score="8" Text="@Joel I tend to find this only works if people will leave such comments, and they may not. For instance, despite comments I have made in this thread, my **actual** response was mostly &quot;will the free speech absolutists stop being jerks about this&quot; or, for the old school MOers, &quot;oh god Harry just exercise the option of not blurting out whatever's at the top of your mind&quot;. **But I did not think such comments would generate more light than heat** and indeed in chat it seems that Clark and Harry are having a much more productive exchange than would occur in a comment thread" CreationDate="2020-08-19T15:43:15.857" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23792" PostId="4673" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi:  I'm sorry to see that comment.  And I thought my views made me &quot;an old-fashioned liberal&quot; (well, old anyway!), not a &quot;free speech absolutist&quot; being a &quot;jerk&quot;.   (This is written tongue in cheek;  I take no offense at all, and I don't believe any was intended.)" CreationDate="2020-08-19T15:57:50.133" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23793" PostId="4673" Score="9" Text="@Joël I agree with what you say about the inconvenience of losing upvote information, but the alternative is having 100+ comments that have almost nothing to do with ICM special lectures on a page that is specifically about ICM special lectures." CreationDate="2020-08-19T15:58:49.977" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="23796" PostId="4673" Score="0" Text="@Lucia Glad no offence was taken, because I didn't view you as behaving on that thread like &quot;a free speech absolutist&quot;, nor as &quot;being a jerk&quot;. Doesn't mean I agree with you, of course :)" CreationDate="2020-08-19T18:56:18.507" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23887" PostId="4673" Score="7" Text="Just a note that in light of user &quot;Patriot&quot;'s [words](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4682/why-have-i-been-suspended-from-the-icm-chat-general-remarks-about-unwelcoming-b/4685#comment23833_4685) since I wrote [this](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4671/why-was-my-dissenting-viewpoint-in-a-post-about-diversity-censored/4673#comment23781_4673), I believe the situation has changed, and I now [consider](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4685/2362) user &quot;Patriot&quot; to be a racist / troll who, as @NoahSnyder has said, doesn't have a place in decent society." CreationDate="2020-08-22T15:27:48.610" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23743" PostId="4674" Score="3" Text="Did you check whether your [ignored tags](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/ignored-tags/info) - whether some of them are used on the question? See also here: [Vanishing questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3378)." CreationDate="2020-08-15T04:27:37.813" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23744" PostId="4674" Score="2" Text="BTW I think that the tag ([meta-tag:support]) would be suitable here. And maybe also ([meta-tag:ignored-tags]) - if it is caused by ignored tags." CreationDate="2020-08-15T04:40:01.233" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23745" PostId="4674" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak, I left off `support` because I thought I was reporting some strange site behaviour, not looking for support; but it turns out I *was* looking for support, because I'd somehow ignored `monoidal-categories`, and only that tag, without having any idea I'd done so.  (I didn't even know you could ignore tags.)  Thanks!  If you post [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4674/why-is-an-mo-front-page-question-greyed-out#comment23743_4674) as an answer, then I will accept it." CreationDate="2020-08-15T05:52:21.993" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23746" PostId="4674" Score="1" Text="Actually, that would mean just duplicating my answer from the other question. (I think the best course of action is to close this as duplicate. Still, it might be useful to keep this on site - since depending on the search terms, this post might be easier to find than the other one.)" CreationDate="2020-08-15T06:06:44.693" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23747" PostId="4674" Score="0" Text="If I understood your [recommendation](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4674/why-is-an-mo-front-page-question-greyed-out#comment23746_4674) correctly, it is to close but not delete.  It seems that even the author can't unilaterally close, only vote to close, so I have done so." CreationDate="2020-08-15T06:39:08.163" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23749" PostId="4674" Score="0" Text="I did not remember how exactly it works. Probably if I voted to close as duplicate *before* you, as the OP you could have closed the question. See also: [New UI encourages askers to confirm or dispute duplicate votes](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/250981). (It is not really a problem, the question is in the [review queue](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/review/close/1594) and also at the top of the front page - so other users have several places where to notice that clove votes are needed here.)" CreationDate="2020-08-15T07:26:20.160" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23754" PostId="4675" Score="0" Text="Oh no! How did that happen?" CreationDate="2020-08-16T00:09:26.143" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="23756" PostId="4675" Score="1" Text="Do you have any sources that Wikipedia could cite? I started a discussion on the talk page" CreationDate="2020-08-16T01:45:56.197" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23757" PostId="4675" Score="0" Text="Hi @Asaf. I don't have any details. I learned of it through one of his former students. Apparently he had heart problems." CreationDate="2020-08-16T02:57:46.983" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="23771" PostId="4675" Score="4" Text="@David Hi David, I added a link." CreationDate="2020-08-17T17:39:11.060" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="23779" PostId="4675" Score="0" Text="@Andrés thanks. I see there was some activity on WP back and forth, so it's good to be able to pin things down." CreationDate="2020-08-17T21:31:17.887" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23760" PostId="4677" Score="28" Text="Political discussions, even among friends, run the risk of misunderstandings.  The situation seems particularly toxic these days,  and especially in the US.  A forum like MO where people don't in general know each other, or understand each other's motivations, is not suited for political discourse.  If people (of any political persuasion) wish to get outraged at each other, there is always Twitter! Just my two cents." CreationDate="2020-08-16T18:14:10.220" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23761" PostId="4677" Score="12" Text="I should add that I think you  are right to bring up this question.  It's good for people to reflect on it as a community, even if everyone individually would surely have thought of such issues." CreationDate="2020-08-16T18:19:05.670" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23762" PostId="4677" Score="8" Text="I don't think anyone wants there to be political discussions here.  The issue mostly seems to be what the borders of politics are.  At exactly what point did Martin Hairer's question and its answers become &quot;political&quot;?  It's just very hard to draw a clear line between what's political and what is not.  (And at no stage did any of the discussion involve &quot;politics&quot; in the traditional sense of parties or government.)" CreationDate="2020-08-16T18:23:07.777" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23763" PostId="4677" Score="12" Text="I don't know, Noah.  The other meta question had comments that included: &quot;Nazis&quot;, &quot;confederates&quot;, &quot;antifascists&quot; (I don't know why this term would be anything other than a badge of pride, but ok), &quot;fascists and apologists&quot;, &quot;white supremacists.&quot;  Can the discussion get any uglier?   The discussion on main (moved to chat)  was largely thoughtful with people trying to engage with each other.  On chat I was especially heartened to read Remy's thoughtful opinion." CreationDate="2020-08-16T18:28:05.840" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23764" PostId="4677" Score="2" Text="In particular, I think this question would be much clearer if you replaced &quot;politics&quot; with &quot;issues related to gender and race in mathematics.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-08-16T18:28:56.083" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23765" PostId="4677" Score="8" Text="@NoahSnyder The &quot;issues related to gender and race in mathematics&quot; are only one aspect of politics (though maybe one which is given particular value in the US ... )." CreationDate="2020-08-16T18:35:13.963" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="23766" PostId="4677" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl: I think that's imprecise and that the imprecision is going to hurt the conversation.  Other aspects of politics simply don't come up here.  Furthermore, it's easy to say &quot;politics&quot; and &quot;math&quot; are separate if you're thinking of politics in the usual sense of political parties, campaigns, government policy, etc., and much harder to see the exact line when you're talking about the roles of gender and race inside mathematics." CreationDate="2020-08-16T18:40:55.883" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23767" PostId="4677" Score="14" Text="@NoahSnyder I think &quot;politics relevant to mathematicians&quot; is far more than just issues of gender and &quot;race&quot; (the last word put in quotes as there are no different biological races of humans -- so &quot;race&quot; in itself may be seen as a racist term). -- For example, is it not relevant to mathematicians how universities and research are funded, which regulations there are on types of employment contracts mathematicians can get at universities, whether people studying mathematics need to pay tuition fees, and so on?" CreationDate="2020-08-16T18:54:00.283" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="23768" PostId="4677" Score="11" Text="Specifically, something like this page would certainly be considered &quot;politics relevant to mathematicians&quot;: http://www.icm2022boycott.org/" CreationDate="2020-08-16T22:01:24.307" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="23769" PostId="4677" Score="7" Text="Reading the site description (mathematics research) in a strict sense, and in the context where questions that relate to academia more broadly have been increasingly directed to academia.SE, I find it hard (though not impossible) to imagine questions that are actually on-topic. Any answer to this question should address why politics-related discussion/questions are more suited to here and not better on academia.SE" CreationDate="2020-08-17T00:32:53.763" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23776" PostId="4677" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts: Martin Hairer's question seems pretty clearly much more on-topic here than at academia." CreationDate="2020-08-17T18:48:28.333" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23778" PostId="4677" Score="1" Text="@Noah, totally agree. I didn't say answers couldn't stray into what some might call the political, and I didn't say it was impossible for really MO-only suitable questions, just unlikely IMHO." CreationDate="2020-08-17T21:18:28.197" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23782" PostId="4677" Score="3" Text="Does an upvote on  this question mean &quot;I'm glad it was asked&quot; (which I am) or &quot;I think comments about politics belong on meta discussions about policy&quot; (which I don't)?  That's not to say that there are no questions in which it's relevant, but it wasn't relevant on the meta post to which you refer (which *should* have been only a question of policy and moderation).  I think that comment thread did not reflect well on us, including specifically me and the people with whom I agree politically." CreationDate="2020-08-18T11:23:09.150" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23798" PostId="4677" Score="3" Text="Typing *mathematician political prisoner* into Google brought up many names including José Luis Massera, Vadim Anatolyevich Yankov, Azat Miftakhov. Would this be a discussion on aspects of politics relevant to mathematicians on MathOverflow? I can see where it might fit better on academia.se, but not every mathematician is an academic – what if an industrial mathematician is held as a political prisoner?" CreationDate="2020-08-19T23:23:16.197" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="23827" PostId="4677" Score="3" Text="@GerryMyerson If allowing those discussions is going to be used as a wedge to pry MO open to the culture war, then I propose banning those topics as well, which is unfortunate, since I think those are issues where we could find complete unity." CreationDate="2020-08-21T05:13:53.763" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="23892" PostId="4677" Score="5" Text="@HarryGindi Not quite complete unity: we've tried it before, https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2797/mathoverflow-user-jailed/2801#2801, and the resulting discussion discourages me from trying it again." CreationDate="2020-08-23T02:04:20.663" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="23893" PostId="4677" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble oh geez." CreationDate="2020-08-23T04:28:42.437" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="23894" PostId="4677" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Reading that thread, I'm extremely confused what is a 'nonce post'…  Nonce means something rather different here in the UK." CreationDate="2020-08-23T04:31:41.680" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="23897" PostId="4677" Score="1" Text="@HarryGindi It means something coined or fashioned for a single-use occasion." CreationDate="2020-08-23T11:19:29.460" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="23898" PostId="4677" Score="0" Text="Oh, like bespoke.  Gotcha! @ToddTrimble" CreationDate="2020-08-23T13:16:53.130" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="27005" PostId="4677" Score="1" Text="Another concrete example of a political issue relevant to the mathematics community is the uncertainty about the ICM in Russia in 2022, cf. [this question](https://mathoverflow.net/q/416937/82179)." CreationDate="2022-02-25T13:50:00.243" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="23783" PostId="4678" Score="2" Text="On (4), I particularly wanted to highlight a sentence fragment from the [comments](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4671#comment23724_4673) which I thought offered a useful perspective: &quot;comments on MO are not really meant as a place for liberal democratic discourse, and the standard for deletion of non-mathematical comments is quite low&quot;.  (&quot;Liberal democratic discourse&quot; here is not out of the blue, but a response to a previous [comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4671#comment23723_4673).)" CreationDate="2020-08-18T12:41:18.860" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23784" PostId="4678" Score="8" Text="While I'm not disagreeing with your answer as a whole, the approach of &quot;If you don't want to read it, don't read it&quot; is not helpful when it turns into a slippery slope, and the site ends up being overrun by these talks. Of course MO doesn't run the risk of this happening, we're a mostly-academics community which is really focused on one topic, but it's not a good way to approach these things, at the end of the day, when the discussion ends up as off-topic, the onus should be on those who want to partake, not those who wish to ignore it. (Again, I agree with what you're saying.)" CreationDate="2020-08-18T15:01:53.990" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="23868" PostId="4678" Score="10" Text="This is not the history as it happened. The comments were not moved altogether to the chat room. Instead, some, representing one side of the political conflict around this discussion, were removed, while the other were left as comments. The question here to moderators is &quot;will that happen again?&quot;." CreationDate="2020-08-21T13:58:24.913" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="23890" PostId="4678" Score="2" Text="@Joël Just to clarify, initially some comments were deleted by moderators after being flagged, but later it was decided to delete all the comments from the question, and restore all of them (besides certain other comments which had been voluntarily deleted by their own commenters) in chat. My (3) above refers to the final decision, not the initial one." CreationDate="2020-08-22T20:36:26.700" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23905" PostId="4678" Score="5" Text="Sure, but will it happen again?" CreationDate="2020-08-23T17:38:56.070" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="23794" PostId="4680" Score="9" Text="A little pessimistic, but I concede that I have similar fears, and would like MO to walk back from this." CreationDate="2020-08-19T16:59:09.857" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23795" PostId="4680" Score="11" Text="@Lucia: I think being slightly pessimistic is the key to happiness! (-:" CreationDate="2020-08-19T17:11:01.920" UserId="2083" />
  <row Id="23799" PostId="4680" Score="3" Text="Hailong and @Lucia : speaking as a Brit, I think extensive trialling of this idea has shown that it may be necessary but it isn't sufficient :)" CreationDate="2020-08-20T00:02:45.373" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23800" PostId="4680" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi: yes, we need to add a certain amount of privilege." CreationDate="2020-08-20T00:37:05.103" UserId="2083" />
  <row Id="23899" PostId="4680" Score="2" Text="I'm confused by the vague and sweeping allusion &quot;what happened in the social sciences&quot;. What did happen? (I've been conflicted about making this comment because I'm afraid it may come across as political in nature. But ultimately I think if that's the case, then the &quot;political-ness&quot; originates in Hailong's answer. Which may underscore the point that any position of &quot;apoliticality&quot; is itself a political position, often a position favoring the _status quo_, or else making some compromise among different political positions.)" CreationDate="2020-08-23T14:01:46.697" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23900" PostId="4680" Score="7" Text="@TimCampion: yes, I am aware that most thing we do and say have political meaning. The mere fact that we are talking about what MathOverflow should allow while billions of people are suffering from neo-colonialism, genocide, political oppression, poverty, human trafficking, etc is a political statement too. But my point is precisely that we should keep MathOverflow, a tiny insignificant corner of the internet, from being politicized (not political, as we can agree, the existence and population of MO are already results of political and social forces)." CreationDate="2020-08-23T15:48:16.797" UserId="2083" />
  <row Id="23901" PostId="4680" Score="0" Text="@HailongDao Thanks for your response. Is your distinction that &quot;'politicization' means 'open discussion of politics' while 'political' also encompasses more implicit things&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-08-23T16:27:48.643" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23902" PostId="4680" Score="1" Text="Could you also clarify the allusion to &quot;what happened in the social sciences&quot;? Are we to infer something like &quot;many social sciences have become politicized by a US-style culture war&quot;? Is there a specific example you have in mind?" CreationDate="2020-08-23T16:27:58.157" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23903" PostId="4680" Score="6" Text="@TimCampion: I would be happy to talk more about that, but I would prefer we move the conversation to reddit (don't have an account yet, but should be easy to open one)." CreationDate="2020-08-23T16:48:54.947" UserId="2083" />
  <row Id="23904" PostId="4680" Score="6" Text="In fact, I just Googled and found a thread on culture war there. This post shows that the admins there have much more experience dealing with such topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/bdcc84/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_april_15_2019/" CreationDate="2020-08-23T16:55:04.020" UserId="2083" />
  <row Id="23907" PostId="4680" Score="0" Text="It's unclear what to me what you mean by &quot;moving the conversation to reddit&quot;, but if it helps I am /u/tcampion there. I'm troubled by the implication that if you were to be more precise about what you mean in your answer, additional moderation would be required." CreationDate="2020-08-24T02:41:32.853" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23908" PostId="4680" Score="11" Text="@TimCampion: I was just being consistent with my point that a detailed discussion of a topic like culture wars in social science should be much better carried out on reddit than MO. You seem to be troubled a bit easily, so I no longer feel like a long conversation would be fun for either of us. Here is one example of things that I don't want to see in our community, you can probably found many other examples, and lively discussions about them, online: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katiejmbaker/professors-receive-packets-of-poop." CreationDate="2020-08-24T04:21:27.493" UserId="2083" />
  <row Id="23912" PostId="4680" Score="0" Text="@HailongDao I appreciate the example. I think it clarifies your answer, as I requested [initially](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4677/questions-answers-comments-or-discussions-on-aspects-of-politics-relevant-to-m/4680?noredirect=1#comment23899_4680). I'm sorry for distracting from my request for clarity with the long parenthetical in that comment. Now that you have clarified the somewhat nebulous fears you expressed in your answer, I do want to express an opinion: I feel that to some degree this line of thought allows the fear of trolls to control us, and that this is undesireable." CreationDate="2020-08-24T17:12:29.450" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23922" PostId="4680" Score="8" Text="@TimCampion You should just not constantly be on the lookout for drama and you shouldn't try to read bad intention into everything someone says. It is precisely this attitude that makes it impossible to discuss politics anymore in universities." CreationDate="2020-08-27T11:04:40.503" UserId="64302" />
  <row Id="23925" PostId="4680" Score="1" Text="@user2520938 Thanks for the advice. I understand that I've come across that way, and I'm working to understand why. My current understanding is that (1) Any comment with the potential to prolong the discussion was bound to be seen as &quot;antagonistic&quot; in the current context, (2) my long and distracting parenthetical to my initial comment, which was meant to address (1), only exacerbated the problem, (3) I expressed my confusions about Hailong's reddit suggestion in a suboptimal way. I'm grateful to Hailong for looking past these infelicities and providing the clarification I requested." CreationDate="2020-08-27T16:23:54.057" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23801" PostId="4681" Score="8" Text="Once ideologies start to trump science, there is no incentive to not degenerate into accusation, shaming and ostracization. In fact, the opposite is true." CreationDate="2020-08-20T00:44:58.947" UserId="2083" />
  <row Id="23802" PostId="4681" Score="1" Text="@HailongDao &quot;Once ideologies start to trump science, there is no incentive to not degenerate into accusation, shaming and ostracization.&quot; You mean &quot;no incentive offered by the society as a whole&quot;? Maybe, but you are a also a free individual who can make choices and the &quot;society as a whole&quot; is not the only entity that can offer &quot;incentives&quot;, though it is a rather powerful one as far as rewards and punishments are concerned. But, of course, if too many people are eager to act out of &quot;incentives to degenerate&quot;, we'd better discuss nothing controversial. I just don't think it is the case." CreationDate="2020-08-20T00:59:40.760" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="23805" PostId="4681" Score="1" Text="The mentality that &quot;all points of view are valid&quot; is a logical fallacy that a mathematician of all people should not commit." CreationDate="2020-08-20T12:19:23.807" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="23806" PostId="4681" Score="4" Text="@StanleyYaoXiao the mentality exhibited here is more like &quot;any point of view is potentially valid unless the opposite has been rigorously established&quot;" CreationDate="2020-08-20T12:28:56.217" UserDisplayName="user145520" />
  <row Id="23807" PostId="4682" Score="4" Text="I haven't followed the chat, but the rules on chat there are very different from MO.  Anyone with moderator privileges on some Stackexchange site has moderator power there." CreationDate="2020-08-20T13:57:25.420" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="23808" PostId="4682" Score="29" Text="Okay, I have read the chat, and I think it would be best if you spent your time somewhere that is not MathOverflow." CreationDate="2020-08-20T14:41:18.727" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="23809" PostId="4682" Score="3" Text="I think putting up a meta post every time the moderators do something you do not like is probably not the best way to go about things." CreationDate="2020-08-20T19:00:52.627" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="23810" PostId="4682" Score="13" Text="@S.Carnahan What exactly is wrong with the chat? Unless I am missing the full transcript, I didn't see anything particularly exciting in Patriot's comments." CreationDate="2020-08-20T19:07:58.923" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="23811" PostId="4682" Score="9" Text="All other issues aside, [social identity theory](https://www.simplypsychology.org/social-identity-theory.html) is indeed well-established imho. Humans are inherently tribalistic, and this is something to be actively combatted, not magically wished away." CreationDate="2020-08-20T19:11:52.533" UserId="23141" />
  <row Id="23813" PostId="4682" Score="12" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo it is the fundamental source of racism, sexism, classism, etc., etc. If you disapprove of these things then you should want to combat it." CreationDate="2020-08-20T19:18:11.543" UserId="23141" />
  <row Id="23815" PostId="4682" Score="4" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo it is also human nature to like to eat a lot of sugary food. Humans inherently enjoy sugary food. Do you also see no solution here?" CreationDate="2020-08-20T19:59:52.540" UserId="23141" />
  <row Id="23817" PostId="4682" Score="11" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo I believe you are being deliberately obtuse, so I am going to stop engaging you." CreationDate="2020-08-20T20:11:00.197" UserId="23141" />
  <row Id="23820" PostId="4682" Score="3" Text="Some context, again: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3981/why-was-there-pushback-on-a-users-profile-image" CreationDate="2020-08-20T21:40:32.703" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="23821" PostId="4682" Score="2" Text="@Théo This time there is more context. See the  messages posted by Patriot in the chat room." CreationDate="2020-08-20T21:43:21.333" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="23822" PostId="4682" Score="5" Text="Patriot's first two messages were 1) &quot;There is a biological basis for racism and sexism.&quot; 2) &quot;There's differences between groups of people. Humans extrapolate based on their knowledge. This can cause prejudice. It's OK to encourage each other being open-minded, and to let go of one's early judgement if someone falls outside the pattern. But I often see people take this even further, to the point where prejudices are being shamed, or even further, where the differences between the peoples, between men and women, are flat-out being denied. Such measures run on fear, and is bound to fail.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-08-20T21:51:03.617" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="23823" PostId="4682" Score="12" Text="Also, further context that is relevant: Many chat members were engaging with Harry politely over the past few days, but there was frustration about the fact that the conversation had turned almost exclusively Harry-centric. With that in mind, I don't find AngelTC's comment provocative. If anything I am convinced that Patriot's only intention is to stir the pot with any spoon available to them." CreationDate="2020-08-20T22:44:26.683" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="23824" PostId="4682" Score="1" Text="@GjergjiZaimi Oh good point! gosh, this whole discussion is so depressing..." CreationDate="2020-08-21T05:06:05.387" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="23826" PostId="4682" Score="7" Text="Any disciplinary action taken against Patriot should equally apply to Dylan's original hysterical comment, which contains the exact same sentiments (and is in addition extremely uncollegial)." CreationDate="2020-08-21T05:11:16.910" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="23853" PostId="4682" Score="1" Text="***quid:** @Patriot that's a pointless provocation, and it's enough with that.* - [Quid](http://math.stackexchange.com/users/85306) says it, I believe it, that settles it." CreationDate="2020-08-21T09:56:58.093" UserId="39602" />
  <row Id="23884" PostId="4682" Score="8" Text="@HarryGindi I was planning to retire this account since I've had my fun, but upon reading that you've been banned from MO after being attacked for over a week, I just want to add one more comment indicating my sympathy. While we may not align in opinion, we share a fate in that we are deemed wrongthinkers to whom the 'progressive' dogma in academia shows little tolerance. I have great respect that you chose to defend your position without a veil of anonimity. I'd like you to know that and hope you stay strong." CreationDate="2020-08-22T07:58:16.380" UserId="117073" />
  <row Id="23888" PostId="4682" Score="17" Text="I can't say that I have any respect for someone who has fun causing conflict among the members of this forum, exploiting the differences we may have in views and backgrounds. I hope you never return to MO with such intentions." CreationDate="2020-08-22T19:37:37.267" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="23891" PostId="4682" Score="3" Text="If you think someone is using multiple accounts to evade a ban on a stackexchange site you should flag their post-ban activity for moderator attention as explained [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/167258/)." CreationDate="2020-08-22T21:00:26.317" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23830" PostId="4683" Score="0" Text="Will there be nominations again?" CreationDate="2020-08-21T05:21:41.113" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="23864" PostId="4683" Score="2" Text="@Harry: I think this time we're going to have a fair process. We roll a die to decide who becomes America Next Top Model. Err, MO Next MOderator." CreationDate="2020-08-21T12:23:49.887" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="23865" PostId="4683" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I nominate Asaf, Lucia, and the drummer from the Roots." CreationDate="2020-08-21T12:25:30.360" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="23866" PostId="4683" Score="0" Text="Also Martin Sleziak." CreationDate="2020-08-21T12:41:20.057" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24032" PostId="4683" Score="1" Text="Hiya! Can one of y'all contact me about this - I'm happy to do what I can to facilitate. You can ping me in chat or grab my email off my profile. :)" CreationDate="2020-09-18T16:48:15.447" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="24038" PostId="4683" Score="3" Text="@Catija, thanks very much for the offer. A user flagged to say that your comment *could* look &quot;spammy&quot; to some users -- our community is very international and might not get the &quot;Hiya!&quot; and &quot;y'all&quot; or other American colloquialisms. (Please take this as a usage note and nothing more.)" CreationDate="2020-09-21T02:53:53.913" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24056" PostId="4683" Score="0" Text="Are the mods making any efforts to ensure a diverse candidate slate?" CreationDate="2020-09-25T17:11:43.353" UserId="60708" />
  <row Id="24218" PostId="4683" Score="2" Text="*cough* *cough*" CreationDate="2020-11-25T22:02:29.593" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25003" PostId="4683" Score="0" Text="Almost six months since this answer.  Any updates?" CreationDate="2021-02-07T19:05:06.120" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25224" PostId="4683" Score="1" Text="@Lucia it's going ahead!" CreationDate="2021-03-23T01:07:29.263" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23833" PostId="4685" Score="3" Text="Nothing that Dylan observed actually happened, and you leave out that he used it as a leverage to blame the &quot;bunch of white people&quot; of fragility and white supremacy. Dylan saw an evil Devil's advocate that didn't even exist, and I gave in to the temptation of filling in that role. Given that, as you acknowledge, I never attempted to justify racism or sexism, I'd even go as far as saying that I erred on the cautious side in taking up that role." CreationDate="2020-08-21T07:13:26.190" UserId="117073" />
  <row Id="23834" PostId="4685" Score="9" Text="As for previous history, a Confederate flag is arguably not a hate symbol. Even so, it's been removed a long time ago, coupled with numerous accusations of me being a nazi, White supremacist, troll, and slavery apologist. How long do these accusations need to haunt me? And as for &quot;Patriot&quot; being provocative too, well, I guess that exemplifies the political sentiments increasingly pervading in academia." CreationDate="2020-08-21T07:18:15.173" UserId="117073" />
  <row Id="23842" PostId="4685" Score="13" Text="@Patriot: &quot;a Confederate flag is arguably not a hate symbol&quot;. It was already explained to you that it is actually possible to identify it with a hate symbol, and that in fact it is often associated with the white supremacist movement. This makes many people uncomfortable with it, so *its usage here should be avoided*." CreationDate="2020-08-21T09:08:24.370" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23843" PostId="4685" Score="4" Text="In the same way, comments like &quot;there is a biological basis for racism and sexism&quot;, whatever the intention is, make many people uncomfortable. They evidently have a disruptive effect on the community, and create flames and sense of uneasiness. For this reason, *their usage here  should be avoided*." CreationDate="2020-08-21T09:11:30.507" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23845" PostId="4685" Score="1" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo: well, I'm sure your Hindu will not be allowed to use his swastikas in Berlin. Especially if they turn clockwise and are black on white-and-red background. But you can try yourself, if you do not believe me." CreationDate="2020-08-21T09:34:28.743" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23846" PostId="4685" Score="2" Text="That said, which part of my comment *they create flames and sense of uneasiness, so their usage should be avoided here* is not clear?" CreationDate="2020-08-21T09:36:34.240" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23848" PostId="4685" Score="2" Text="Bacause, again, here you also interact with american people that are uncomfortable with them. Since discussing politics is not the primary scope of MO, persisting in adopting such symbols, also after you were gently asked to remove them, is a strong sign that one is looking for flames and wants to act in a disruptive manner." CreationDate="2020-08-21T09:47:34.240" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23850" PostId="4685" Score="3" Text="Sorry, I think I am unable to explain this to you in a simpler way. I cannot have an exchange with someone that deliberately moves the focus of the discussion, so I will stop this conversation here." CreationDate="2020-08-21T09:52:41.980" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23852" PostId="4685" Score="1" Text="*There is a biological basis for racism and sexism.* - I suspect the former as well; men, after all, have been in enmity with various other living species since the dawn of humanity; whatever psychological or neurological mechanism is at play there, it seems to sometimes misfire, and be misapplied, by the brain or psyche, from an inter-species context to an intra-species one, among members of its various races; though, it's not clear why one would post such observations on a **math** site; seems better suited for (evolutionary) [psychology &amp; neuro-science](http://psychology.stackexchange.com)." CreationDate="2020-08-21T09:56:14.477" UserId="39602" />
  <row Id="23854" PostId="4685" Score="1" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo: I usually explain things once. I'm not your teacher, so I do not feel the obligation to let you understand the basics of civil behaviour." CreationDate="2020-08-21T09:57:11.140" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23855" PostId="4685" Score="1" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo I think Mr. Polizzi's point might be that if for a given symbol there is a sizeable portion of the population that is offended by it then it is to be avoided (even if some other sizeable portion of the population feels excited about it). Also the Novorossiya flag doesn't have stars on it (and Patriot's avatar had them). Did your Hindu acquaintance's symbolics look exactly like the Nazi flag by the way? It usually differs slightly (which makes all the difference in the world)." CreationDate="2020-08-21T10:02:04.393" UserDisplayName="user145520" />
  <row Id="23858" PostId="4685" Score="2" Text="There is a behaviour A (not using these symbols) that do not offend anyone here. There is a behaviour B (using them) that offends a considerable part of the users. Since MO is *not* devoted to the discussion of political issues, choosing deliberately B instead of A is the precise definition of &quot;looking for flames&quot; and &quot;having a disruptive way of conduct&quot;." CreationDate="2020-08-21T10:22:07.017" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23860" PostId="4685" Score="0" Text="Well, let us discuss this next decade, when it will happen. For the moment, I would rather concentrate to avoid what is perceived offensive by people *nowadays*." CreationDate="2020-08-21T10:32:52.937" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23862" PostId="4685" Score="1" Text="As for Rodrigo de Azevedo, your comments here have been very ill-informed and distracting. If you insist on rehashing these old debates about hate symbols, at least go read the old meta questions first. I can't figure out what you were trying to get at in your extended exchange with Nik Weaver above, but remember that comments are not the place for extended discussion. @Patriot your actions certainly will haunt you so long as you are unapologetic about them, for a start." CreationDate="2020-08-21T11:21:11.223" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23867" PostId="4685" Score="1" Text="&quot; Nonetheless, I still do not understand why American social norms should dominate MO.&quot; Well, maybe just to annoy you." CreationDate="2020-08-21T13:35:27.397" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="23869" PostId="4685" Score="5" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo To state the obvious, the norms for what your friend may decorate their house with are different from the norms for what anybody may use as an avatar on a public internet forum, particularly one such as MO whose focus is on _mathematics_ -- not symbology. Confederate flags and swastikas are both inappropriate on MO. Your comments strike me as trollish, and I don't plan to engage with you any further here." CreationDate="2020-08-21T14:42:41.930" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23871" PostId="4685" Score="6" Text="@TimCampion This is exactly why we need to be apolitical.  I hope if it came to it, we would also remove communist or anarchist or national flags as avatars. Your MO profile is not a place to advertise your personal politics." CreationDate="2020-08-21T14:55:40.787" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="23873" PostId="4685" Score="16" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo I am as against americentrism as one can be, yet I want all mathematicians to have a decent chance at feeling welcome here. That includes american mathematicians. In order to do so I think it is a good idea to discourage hate symbols no matter which country they are problematic in. No one implied that the US is getting preferential treatment here in that regard. I am confused as to what gave you that impression." CreationDate="2020-08-21T17:00:44.333" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="23874" PostId="4688" Score="0" Text="I think our moderators should be and are up to the task. The moderators on academia stackexchange seem to do a reasonable job with that site even though none of them claims serious expertise in academic administration: https://academia.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators" CreationDate="2020-08-21T17:18:52.857" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="23877" PostId="4688" Score="4" Text="@MattF. Most of the moderation on SE sites in general, I believe, is done by high-rep users rather than the formally elected moderators.  And that community, however it is composed, has years of experience in drawing boundaries that keep the discussion civil, constructive, and on-topic - at MO it is very easy to shut down most controversial discussion since it is rarely about mathematics.  On top of that, I'm not certain how many of the examples that the OP cited would be on topic there, either - they also try to limit subjective and controversial topics." CreationDate="2020-08-21T19:02:53.350" UserId="4362" />
  <row Id="23895" PostId="4690" Score="2" Text="There was a rep recalculation earlier this year (when questions and answers were revalued to be the same).  It could be that a bunch of Noah's posts had become community wiki in the interim, in which case this gets counted as negative reputation.  Not sure though, that seems like a lot of points to lose in one go." CreationDate="2020-08-23T08:54:27.887" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="23896" PostId="4690" Score="10" Text="I wonder if it's due to rewarding bounties." CreationDate="2020-08-23T09:02:32.047" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="23909" PostId="4690" Score="5" Text="You can expect similar results for other users who [often offer bounties](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/962775/user-with-highest-amount-of-offered-bounties?num=100&amp;min=50). Check, for example, the user [Ali Taghavi](https://stackexchange.com/leagues/year/mathoverflow/2020-01-01/36688?sort=reputationchange#36688)." CreationDate="2020-08-24T06:57:32.757" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23910" PostId="4691" Score="0" Text="Maybe it is also worth mentioning that reputation for questions was changed from +5 to +10 in [November 2019](https://stackoverflow.blog/2019/11/13/were-rewarding-the-question-askers/). That meant that many users gathered a lot of reputation suddenly - and if they thought they don't need that much reputation, they might have used it for bounties. It seems that there was some increase to the amount of bounties [around beginning of 2020](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1284459/total-bounties-per-month#graph)." CreationDate="2020-08-24T07:55:40.963" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23911" PostId="4691" Score="0" Text="AFAICT in the reputation leagues the new (+10) reputation is still counted in the year when the question was posted. While the loss of reputation caused by the bounty is only recent." CreationDate="2020-08-24T07:56:52.523" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23959" PostId="4691" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I had the impression that when the question value was changed, stack exchange recalculated all reputation totals _including historical ones_. So that if you now look at, say, the [top reputation-getters of 2017](https://stackexchange.com/leagues/504/year/mathoverflow/2017-01-01), what you're seeing is what the reputation totals _would_ have been, _had_ the question upvote always been 10 rep. So I wouldn't think this change would lead to wonky reports of reputation _changes_, since those would all be calculated based on the fiction that question upvotes were always worth 10 rep." CreationDate="2020-09-01T16:09:38.867" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23966" PostId="4691" Score="0" Text="I will add to @TimCampion's comment that my point was mainly that users with enough questions suddenly had more reputation available for bounties. (I probably wasn't clear enough in the above comments. I tried to explain myself a bit better [in the MO chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/change-to-10-for-questions-and-bounties)." CreationDate="2020-09-03T06:40:39.243" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23916" PostId="4692" Score="7" Text="To my knowledge, questions which have an upvoted answer cannot be deleted unilaterally. And in general it is also not a good idea to delete too many questions, in order not to risk a question ban. While the exact rules are not public, a rough rule of thumb is that a question which has been downvoted, closed and deleted is much worse than a question with which only one of these has happened, and still a bit worse than one with which two of these things have happened." CreationDate="2020-08-25T22:34:06.647" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="23917" PostId="4692" Score="4" Text="I reckon you should *improve* all your posts that have been closed as off-topic." CreationDate="2020-08-26T05:31:47.687" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="23918" PostId="4692" Score="2" Text="Details about deletions can be found in the network-wide FAQ: [How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/5221) You cannot delete your question if it has multiple answers or if it has an upvoted or accepted answer, is a duplicate target or an answer got a bounty. Other users can still vote to delete your question, even in such situations. (But only users with sufficient reputation.)" CreationDate="2020-08-26T12:14:20.347" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23919" PostId="4693" Score="3" Text="If there are any posts of that user still up, use a custom moderator flag. If there are no posts, nobody will be looking at the profile anyway. If it's a network-wide spammer, unofficial policy is to notify JNat in [The Tavern](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/89/tavern-on-the-meta) and roughly a day later the account ceases to be. I do not know the perfect answer to your question, but these are the options I'm aware of." CreationDate="2020-08-26T17:38:18.510" UserId="64625" />
  <row Id="23920" PostId="4693" Score="2" Text="That particular spam account has been destroyed." CreationDate="2020-08-26T20:30:06.223" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="23921" PostId="4693" Score="1" Text="Related older posts: [Flagging spam user](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3487). Related post on [math.meta.se]: [How to flag names?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/15197) And on [meta.se]: [How should I flag a user account if it has no posts to flag?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/128618) and [How do I flag a user with no posts left?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/178221)" CreationDate="2020-08-27T04:23:24.833" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23931" PostId="4693" Score="2" Text="There's indeed a real flood of spam accounts: [Autobiographer](https://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/9/autobiographer)" CreationDate="2020-08-29T07:58:54.650" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="23956" PostId="4693" Score="1" Text="@YCor here's a more precise list: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/edit/1288838 limiting to those with more than 5 links in their profile, and have shown no activity for a certain period of time." CreationDate="2020-09-01T06:24:10.953" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="23993" PostId="4693" Score="0" Text="Here is a direct link to the query from David Robert's comment: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1288838 (The link posted above will send you to *editing* the query.)" CreationDate="2020-09-09T05:09:51.110" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25144" PostId="4693" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [Flagging spam user](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3487/flagging-spam-user)" CreationDate="2021-03-08T15:47:59.823" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="23926" PostId="4694" Score="4" Text="[meta.se]: [New post formatting](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/353446) (and some of the [questions linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/353446) might be of interest, too)." CreationDate="2020-08-28T05:14:17.030" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23927" PostId="4694" Score="0" Text="@Martin Many thanks as always! So, there is no way back?" CreationDate="2020-08-28T05:39:45.893" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="23928" PostId="4694" Score="5" Text="You've been around long enough to know that SO tells you what you want—sorry, nowadays, they listen to you, *then* tell you what you want—and that mass user discontent is of no concern." CreationDate="2020-08-28T14:42:34.693" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="23929" PostId="4694" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Richard Stallman said that Facebook doesn't have &quot;users&quot;, but only &quot;useds&quot;. Is StackOverflow moving in the same direction?" CreationDate="2020-08-28T16:07:16.057" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="23943" PostId="4698" Score="2" Text="Google effectively killed RSS when they got rid of google reader in 2013, and the internet has gotten steadily worse ever since." CreationDate="2020-08-30T22:27:09.517" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23944" PostId="4698" Score="4" Text="@TimCampion As for the &quot;Related Questions&quot; section, that used to basically always be there, except for a while a few weeks back when there were none for any questions, and for the past about 3 weeks for any new questions. Note I ask about this latest issue in my main Meta post [The &quot;Related&quot; section in the right sidebar is now completely missing for new questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/352855/562482). I trust this issue will be fixed soon so the &quot;Related&quot; questions section will then be showing for questions from the past 3 weeks &amp; for all new ones from then on." CreationDate="2020-08-31T00:09:49.323" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="23945" PostId="4698" Score="0" Text="@JohnOmielan Ah, thanks. If I had noticed earlier that it was just the related questions not showing, and only for &quot;new&quot; posts, I'd like to think I could have found your question and avoided adding this duplicate." CreationDate="2020-08-31T00:11:54.627" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23947" PostId="4698" Score="0" Text="I tried to vote to close, but I can't seem to find your question when I search in that interface. Maybe I should delete? Oh I see -- your question was on the general SE meta, not MO meta." CreationDate="2020-08-31T00:20:22.837" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23949" PostId="4698" Score="1" Text="It is wroth mentioning that the RSS feed is not a feed with related question - but it is a feed for *new answers* to that specific question. You sometimes visit MO editors' lounge. You can see that there are two questions feeds in that chatroom and also check posts from those feeds: https://chat.stackexchange.com/search?room=10243&amp;q=194&amp;user=-2 and https://chat.stackexchange.com/search?room=10243&amp;q=862&amp;user=-2" CreationDate="2020-08-31T07:01:02.523" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23953" PostId="4698" Score="0" Text="It seems like [this question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/350569/the-list-of-related-questions-is-shown-empty?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1) is a more canonical version of the issue -- it's claimed that the issue was resolved by July 30, but many people have commented that it's still an issue since then." CreationDate="2020-08-31T19:51:11.317" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23967" PostId="4698" Score="2" Text="This post on [meta.se] is now marked ([meta-tag:status-completed]): [The “Related” section in the right sidebar is now completely missing for new questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/352855)." CreationDate="2020-09-03T14:04:44.657" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23969" PostId="4698" Score="2" Text="Note to self: next time there seems to be a bug, check to see whether it is a wider SE issue before posting to MO meta." CreationDate="2020-09-03T22:20:55.700" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="23970" PostId="4698" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion It seems quite likely that many MO users only follow the local meta and not [meta.se]. For such users, it might be useful that something about some recent bug is mentioned in local meta - they can at least find out what that something is going on." CreationDate="2020-09-04T13:52:50.213" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23951" PostId="4699" Score="3" Text="I am completely content with my decision to make a stand against an awful racist troll, and I think my opinions have been completely vindicated by his subsequent behavior.  Most of the time you can try come to an agreement with people you disagree with, but sometimes you have to make a stand against pure evil.  In my 10+ years at MO and many many disagreements, this is the single instance of the latter situation." CreationDate="2020-08-31T15:41:31.747" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="23954" PostId="4699" Score="9" Text="@NoahSnyder I have no desire to see that user continue their antics but I am deeply, deeply, deeply uncomfortable with language like &quot;pure evil&quot;, with possible exceptions for the likes of the Moors Murderers. Evil is not some kind of transitive relation; nor does A implies B and C implies B mean that A implies C. (FWIW I subscribe both to the &quot;banality of evil&quot; POV and https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/530100-good-and-bad-is-tricky-she-said-i-ain-t-too ; YMMV)" CreationDate="2020-09-01T04:02:41.407" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23955" PostId="4699" Score="3" Text="Fedja: this piece from 2015 is very British-centred and may be somewhat outdated, but at the time I found it an interesting point of view or &quot;working hypothesis&quot; with which to view online discussions https://andrewhickey.info/2015/11/04/freezing-peaches/ (The author may have altered his views since then, for all I know)" CreationDate="2020-09-01T04:08:58.940" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="23961" PostId="4699" Score="8" Text="@YemonChoi Yes, it is a good article and if the statement is that *some* amount of censorship is healthy or even required, I agree with it 100%. However, we are back to the times when a misplaced joke (Tim Hunt) or openly saying what you think in response to a direct question (James Watson) can cost you a job and when spreading of &quot;liberal ideas&quot; goes not as much through raising solidarity to their cause via argumentation and education as through instilling fear of any dissent and suppression of all deviations from the party line. So, I guess, it is &quot;free speech&quot; that is endangered now again." CreationDate="2020-09-01T17:50:14.560" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="23971" PostId="4699" Score="4" Text="@fedja free speech is hardly ever threatened in the contexts where people like to discuss free speech. The idea that one is protected to speak what they want only goes as far as governments should not prosecute/persecute people for speaking their minds. As far as I know, neither Tim Hunt nor James Watson was arrested/prosectuted for their remarks. Free speech does not protect one from any and all negative consequences. The amount of retribution these men received is appropriate, and for them, more or less a slap on the wrist." CreationDate="2020-09-04T15:27:05.347" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="23973" PostId="4699" Score="3" Text="@StanleyYaoXiao &quot;free speech is hardly ever threatened in the contexts where people like to discuss free speech.&quot; Erm... What kind of logic is that? Free speech is free speech about *anything*, not about *itself*. The idea that one is free to speak, IMHO, goes as far as that the government should protect anyone who speaks within the limits of the current law from retribution (say, an employee that makes a public statement that his boss dislikes). As to the rest, we, obviously, hold different opinions on the subject, but that's OK with me and not very relevant to the current thread :-)." CreationDate="2020-09-04T16:14:48.227" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="23950" PostId="4700" Score="3" Text="The suggestion which was mentioned in the previous discussion: [Spam Profiles are getting my goat. Could we have better tools for mods to deal with profile spam?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/303746#303751) That seems like a reasonable things to me - why should moderators have to do manually some stuff which can be automated. Of course, it's up to Stack Exchange to actually implement this." CreationDate="2020-08-31T09:04:17.710" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="23957" PostId="4700" Score="5" Text="What about allowing to write in your profile only when you have at least 150 or 200 points?" CreationDate="2020-09-01T12:13:39.020" UserId="61949" />
  <row Id="24049" PostId="4700" Score="2" Text="@Mare That sounds like a good idea. It seems most unsatisfactory that spammers are effectively getting free advertising through having their names appear among the recent badges." CreationDate="2020-09-22T17:20:04.217" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="23988" PostId="4704" Score="2" Text="The main problem I have with MO is that I am unable to define what is a research-level question. Sometimes, some questions are closed without I can understand the reason. In https://mathoverflow.net/q/187609/24563, I asked a question about Boolean algebra and the poster added &quot;per request for more detail&quot; and I think that for him the answer was obvious and probably not research-level (see also the comments). I am not specialist at all of this field (Boolean algebra)." CreationDate="2020-09-08T07:41:48.853" UserId="24563" />
  <row Id="23992" PostId="4704" Score="1" Text="@PhilippeGaucher I mean, he wrote a book about it." CreationDate="2020-09-08T19:23:14.393" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="23999" PostId="4704" Score="12" Text="Just a personal anecdote that does not answer the question: I came to the game a little late (less than 5 years ago), and I [did struggle at first](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2902/82179). Like any other place in mathematics, I think reputation (in a broad sense) plays a role in how someone's work (e.g. questions) is evaluated, and I feel much more at home here now that I have established myself (not just in terms of points, but also that people know what sort of things I post). These feelings are not so measurable, but that doesn't mean they aren't real." CreationDate="2020-09-10T17:35:12.137" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="23994" PostId="4705" Score="0" Text="I've also tried this several times with my PhD student, but without success so far!" CreationDate="2020-09-09T07:32:44.633" UserId="2039" />
  <row Id="23974" PostId="4706" Score="7" Text="My chief impression is that MO has become less friendly to newcomers only in the sense that (compared to when I joined, as an undergraduate ca. 2009) there are much fewer elementary and/or simple questions to answer. This is partly because math.stackexchange is gobbling them up, partly because lots of &quot;canonical&quot; questions that are on people's minds have already been answered (and MathOverflow makes it fairly easy to identify a duplicate), and only to a minor extent due to the &quot;not researchy enough&quot; close brigade." CreationDate="2020-09-05T18:39:21.097" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="23975" PostId="4706" Score="33" Text="I also think that questions shouldn't be closed just based on lack of motivation or wording reminiscent of assigned homework. I think that this especially hurts non english speakers. I remember when I first started learning to formulate mathematical questions in English they mostly sounded like &quot;prove that __&quot; because I was trying to mimic the wording of textbook problems." CreationDate="2020-09-05T19:09:13.467" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="23977" PostId="4706" Score="29" Text="&quot;any clearly posed mathematical problem that I cannot solve in under 10 minutes should pass&quot; I strongly agree with this. It really bothers me when I see MO users voting to close questions as not research level, and they clearly haven't thought through what it would take to answer them. (Yes, I can think of exceptions -- if someone posts a 100 digit integer and asks me to factor it -- but I think it is a very good standard for problems that a reasonable human would ask.)" CreationDate="2020-09-06T12:03:52.233" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="23982" PostId="4706" Score="6" Text="Strong +1's to Gjergji's and David's comments." CreationDate="2020-09-07T01:14:24.923" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="23987" PostId="4706" Score="9" Text="&quot;any clearly posed mathematical problem that I cannot solve in under 10 minutes should pass&quot; I strongly agree too, and I would agree with the same statement with 10 replaced by 2 -- &quot;I&quot; being, as in the original answer, fedja." CreationDate="2020-09-08T01:28:36.577" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="24003" PostId="4706" Score="4" Text="@GjergjiZaimi I think motivation might sometimes make an otherwise inappropriate question appropriate. If someone says they are working in field X and as a result now have a problem in field Y, the resulting problem might not be research-level for work in Y but still research relevant for their work in X and, therefore, appropriate here." CreationDate="2020-09-12T11:54:24.187" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="23978" PostId="4707" Score="0" Text="Can you specify the level of mathematical maturity? Without that, this doesn't really answer the question of &quot;at what stage&quot; graduate students should participate." CreationDate="2020-09-06T19:09:19.280" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="23979" PostId="4707" Score="8" Text="@MattF. Someone who can have a mathematical conversation at the board rather than a one-way lecture. Anyone who is reading papers beyond textbooks, also." CreationDate="2020-09-06T19:33:36.523" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="23983" PostId="4709" Score="3" Text="The site does this automatically, to any question none of whose answers was upvoted." CreationDate="2020-09-07T02:08:57.877" UserId="19276" />
  <row Id="23984" PostId="4709" Score="0" Text="@FrancoisZiegler  Yes I see, thank you." CreationDate="2020-09-07T02:15:48.773" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="23990" PostId="4711" Score="3" Text="As to your last sentence -- I'd rather doubt that a problem which can conveniently be solved in an answer box on MO (i.e. on something like one page) would be a good &quot;primary problem&quot; for someone's PhD thesis ... ." CreationDate="2020-09-08T16:21:48.167" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="23991" PostId="4711" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl That's a fair point. So maybe I should have said that posting one's primary thesis problem on MO is not a good idea, since someone might solve and publish the solution somewhere. As you say, probably not in an MO box, but possibly in an ArXiv preprint. It's the same advice as for giving talks about partially finished research, one has to be careful, since there are horror stories of someone in the audience who happens to know just the right tools publishing a paper and scooping the speaker. Obviously this should not be done, and isn't done by anyone who's honorable, but ..." CreationDate="2020-09-08T18:13:50.847" UserId="11926" />
  <row Id="23995" PostId="4711" Score="23" Text="@StefanKohl There is a situation I've seen which is more nuanced than this. A professor knows that some problem should be solvable with a standard toolkit, but writing up the details will run 30-40 pages, and learning that toolkit would be a valuable experience for a grad student. So the prof assigns this problem to a student, who posts it on MO. Someone writes a one screen answer saying that the problem is solvable with the standard toolkit, and giving links to references. The student is now not much better off, and feels much worse because &quot;my whole thesis was a one screen answer&quot;." CreationDate="2020-09-09T13:28:44.003" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="23989" PostId="4712" Score="3" Text="I was sorry to hear that.   The Wikipedia page does mention this, but the exact date seems unclear as you say." CreationDate="2020-09-08T15:30:02.000" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="23997" PostId="4713" Score="1" Text="I don't recall a memorial post for Bill Thurston, who was an active MO participant." CreationDate="2020-09-10T12:26:27.387" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="23998" PostId="4713" Score="3" Text="@JosephO'Rourke: Thanks to your inquiry, I actually found an MO post about Bill Thurston's death (https://mathoverflow.net/questions/105220/wikipedia-story-about-bill-thurstons-death). I added this to the list. It's a little tricky to know exactly the right keywords to search to find these things." CreationDate="2020-09-10T15:00:46.563" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="24006" PostId="4714" Score="2" Text="At least one of the questions on Puzzling is a notorious unsolved math problem, the magic square of squares." CreationDate="2020-09-12T13:15:52.257" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24017" PostId="4714" Score="3" Text="@GerryMyerson It seems that finally there's a proper incentive to solve it, then!" CreationDate="2020-09-15T00:37:49.097" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24019" PostId="4714" Score="1" Text="@Asaf there's already a monetary reward on offer, http://www.multimagie.com/English/SquaresOfSquares.htm" CreationDate="2020-09-15T08:00:31.163" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24020" PostId="4714" Score="2" Text="@Gerry: But everyone knows that the *real* incentive to do math is fake internet points!" CreationDate="2020-09-15T08:00:59.487" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24015" PostId="4716" Score="3" Text="IMO participating in MO to the point of addiction as a graduate student is not that harmful, and has some advantages, as long as you can find enough questions that you are capable of answering." CreationDate="2020-09-14T22:24:35.900" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="24016" PostId="4716" Score="3" Text="@WillSawin: careewise, most students will be better off focusing on their research, and as long as MO participation furthers this goal, it is fine." CreationDate="2020-09-14T23:26:27.873" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="24024" PostId="4719" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel appreciate the retag ;)" CreationDate="2020-09-17T03:44:38.630" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="24021" PostId="4721" Score="7" Text="One rule around editing old posts is, don't overdo it. Each edit bumps the old post to the front page, bumping some newer post off the page. Three or four such bumps a day is the maximum I'd recommend." CreationDate="2020-09-16T22:37:10.550" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24022" PostId="4721" Score="5" Text="Sometimes dead links can be recovered via the Wayback Machine. For example, the Math Union pdf in your post can be found at https://web.archive.org/web/20170811094846/http://www.mathunion.org/ICM/ICM1994.2/Main/icm1994.2.1375.1383.ocr.pdf." CreationDate="2020-09-17T01:40:33.537" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="24023" PostId="4721" Score="3" Text="... And then, once you know what the linked paper is, you can sometimes replace it with a current link: for example https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-0348-9078-6_132 (which in this instance is behind a paywall)." CreationDate="2020-09-17T01:49:39.920" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="24025" PostId="4721" Score="7" Text="@jeq better is not a link.springer.com url, but a doi url, in this case https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-0348-9078-6_132 (found in the &quot;about this paper&quot; section of the page). And there is still the IMU free copy of volume 2 of the 1994 proceedings: https://www.mathunion.org/fileadmin/ICM/Proceedings/ICM1994.2/ICM1994.2.ocr.pdf" CreationDate="2020-09-17T03:49:18.770" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24026" PostId="4721" Score="3" Text="I have edited [the question](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/40351/edges-minus-vertices) with a sample display of info and links one might want to include if editing to fix links" CreationDate="2020-09-17T03:58:43.983" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24027" PostId="4721" Score="1" Text="I would guess that at least *some* of the [posts linking to archive.org](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3a%22*web.archive.org*%22) have been edited to restore dead links, especially if you look [among recently active posts](https://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=active&amp;q=url%3a%22*web.archive.org*%22). Using SEDE you can find specific edits where [such links were added](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1177886/posts-where-some-text-missing-in-the-earlier-revision-was-added-including-the-ed?word=archive.org)." CreationDate="2020-09-17T05:25:42.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24028" PostId="4721" Score="2" Text="The first comment mentioned bumping too many posts, which was previously discussed here: [Do we have an unofficial quota on how many old questions one should bump for minor edits in a single day?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/599) Some recommendations on the way to link to papers was discussed, for example, here: [Edits with links to material under restricted access](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3193#3195)." CreationDate="2020-09-17T05:34:20.980" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24030" PostId="4721" Score="5" Text="Dead links are the reason for my inveterate [hostility to &quot;here&quot; and &quot;this paper&quot; links](https://mathoverflow.net/users/2383/lspice?tab=activity&amp;sort=revisions).  If you say what your link is supposed to point to, then your link is still somewhat useful even if the target goes away.  (Even better is, as @DavidRoberts [says](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4721/any-policies-around-dead-links#comment24025_4721), to combine this strategy with links to URLs specifically intended to stay alive as long as possible.  I only learned to do that recently, and I still sometimes forget.)" CreationDate="2020-09-17T11:28:50.697" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24031" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Is this &quot;bumping&quot; feature of the software something we could make a feature request around?  I imagine being able to make a &quot;bumpless&quot; edit which requires  moderator approval." CreationDate="2020-09-18T15:46:11.380" UserId="1106" />
  <row Id="24033" PostId="4721" Score="1" Text="@StevenGubkin There are already some feature requests related to this: [Minor edits, subject to review](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/192) on this meta. (See also some of the [questions linked there](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/192).)&#xA;[Allow non-bumping minor edits, but review them on /review](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/122567) on [meta.se] (and [the linked questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/122567))." CreationDate="2020-09-18T17:38:59.897" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24034" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="(For anyone who doesn't follow all of @MartinSleziak's [references](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4721/any-policies-around-dead-links#comment24033_4721), [this](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4721/any-policies-around-dead-links#comment24031_4721) is an *extremely* oft-mentioned request, and has been for a long time, so it seems fairly likely that SE has no intention of implementing it.)" CreationDate="2020-09-18T22:15:30.717" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24035" PostId="4721" Score="1" Text="And it's not just a matter of SE being stubborn and resisting the will of the people – there are good and sufficient reasons for the bumping (as developed in those links)." CreationDate="2020-09-18T22:58:50.230" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24029" PostId="4722" Score="14" Text="Yes, even just adding text giving a journal reference is preferable to link text that just says &quot;this&quot;, with an opaque journal/publisher-specific url filled with numbers and letters." CreationDate="2020-09-17T06:51:09.173" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24052" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="Just out of curiosity, what's your policy for when to edit vs. when to add a comment?  I try to stick with a comment for questions that aren't already on the front page, but then that's only useful for people who think to check the comments on a years-old dead link." CreationDate="2020-09-24T00:07:39.587" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24054" PostId="4722" Score="1" Text="@LSpice not sure of a very rational answer, but I'd take into account: whether there are other improvements to make to the post (e.g. formatting), whether the post is already bumped, and if not, whether I believe it's worth being bumped (i.e., of interest to readers), whether I already recently bumped posts; possibly also the fact adding a link in a comment will be more or less visible according to whether there are already many comments. (I don't think I often bumped a question just to update a link.)" CreationDate="2020-09-24T00:23:42.143" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24036" PostId="4723" Score="11" Text="I posted the question; I have good experience with MO, and less so with math.SE. Some questions I encounter in my research feels like they would be trivial when asked to the right person (perhaps many questions are). I knew this question was easy to answer for a person with the right experience - and MO is where such people are. The resource mathcurve.com was a great reference, which I did not know about since before!" CreationDate="2020-09-20T12:01:17.850" UserId="1056" />
  <row Id="24037" PostId="4723" Score="5" Text="If this question came up in research and the researcher (who is a professional) didn't know how to answer it, then there's a priori a good chance it qualifies. I see nothing wrong with it." CreationDate="2020-09-21T02:45:29.140" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24040" PostId="4723" Score="0" Text="@PerAlexandersson: Sorry if my question offended you, that was not my intend at all. I just wanted to gain some good experiences with MO." CreationDate="2020-09-21T05:27:27.900" UserId="90655" />
  <row Id="24041" PostId="4723" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble: What if OP did not mention this line? &quot;This particular curve arises in some research I am working on at the moment, and it would be great if it perhaps connects to some classical area.&quot;? I also have no idea why this question  has been received 22 votes." CreationDate="2020-09-21T05:32:02.723" UserId="90655" />
  <row Id="24042" PostId="4723" Score="3" Text="@C.F.G No, your question is valid- I even upvoted your meta-question as I can see that it is not super clear that it belongs on MO (although IMHO, it does)." CreationDate="2020-09-21T06:37:18.837" UserId="1056" />
  <row Id="24043" PostId="4723" Score="4" Text="@C.F.G Of course we do not know how many votes come from users outside MO. Since it was in the list of the hot network questions, it seems quite probable that also some users who are not MO regulars visited the question (and voted on it)." CreationDate="2020-09-21T08:22:14.423" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24044" PostId="4723" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Thanks, completely reasonable argument." CreationDate="2020-09-21T08:30:31.667" UserId="90655" />
  <row Id="24045" PostId="4723" Score="2" Text="[Let's please not worry about the upvotes (which have now been mentioned three times, not counting this comment). Unless there's some suspected sockpuppetry (and there isn't), there's really nothing we can do about it. Maybe some upvoter will come by and explain.] -- C.F.G., that line had nothing to do with my assessment that it's okay here. I think Per explained it best in his opening comment." CreationDate="2020-09-21T10:06:00.253" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24046" PostId="4723" Score="10" Text="This is why I’ve always preferred the phrasing “for professional mathematicians” to trying to parse what “research level” means.  (With the usual caveats that graduate students are professional mathematicians, and that non-professionals are welcome provided that they remember that it’s aimed at professionals.)" CreationDate="2020-09-21T14:55:49.303" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24047" PostId="4723" Score="5" Text="Regarding @NoahSnyder's comment, which I agree completely with, here is another random example from today of a very established MO user asking a question that amounts to understanding row-echelon form of matrices: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/372200/enumerating-subspaces-of-mathbbf-qn-in-terms-of-words-and-inversions; and yet, it is quite plausible that this could come up in the course of your research, and if you haven't seen it before/didn't know the keywords to Google it might be hard to find the answer otherwise." CreationDate="2020-09-21T17:09:13.167" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="24048" PostId="4723" Score="4" Text="Strong seconding of what Noah and Sam have said. I still recall a junior-at-the-time functional analyst on here being castigated by some users for asking a question that arose in K-theory of Cstar algebras, which could be answered by &quot;Smith normal form&quot;" CreationDate="2020-09-22T17:01:08.423" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24050" PostId="4726" Score="2" Text="Agree that posting notice of death on the &quot;news of potential interest&quot; meta thread is very different, and useful for spreading this information to the broader math community." CreationDate="2020-09-23T19:22:23.323" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="24051" PostId="4726" Score="0" Text="I think the Bourgain question, which may have started the ball rolling, was somewat different from the other examples you mention. For instance, the time between announcement of his passing and the posting of the question was somewhat longer than in the other two cases; and there are aspects specific to the quantity and nature of his work that made such a question not merely idle+morbid curiosity" CreationDate="2020-09-23T21:25:03.040" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24055" PostId="4726" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi I don't think Bourgain's question was particularly the starting point. Actually the J. Gleason case was particularly problematic, precisely because asking about his legacy was blatantly irrelevant, while having to write down, even implicitly, such a judgement just a few days after his death was pretty uncomfortable (with an OP who was visibly affected by the event and reacted somewhat aggressively and with a lack of discernment)." CreationDate="2020-09-24T15:44:53.187" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24061" PostId="4728" Score="2" Text="Isn't a simple if perhaps unsatisfying answer that, if a question isn't active enough to attract more votes to close as duplicate, then it's not really disturbing anyone to have that unnoticed duplicate around?" CreationDate="2020-10-02T03:13:03.860" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24065" PostId="4728" Score="0" Text="It is possible to merge two questions so that &quot;the various perspectives&quot; don't get lost. I'm sure this has to be done by a moderator, so I suppose the thing to do is to flag for moderator attention and explain that you want to see the questions merged (or, the answers to the duplicate appended to the older question)." CreationDate="2020-10-02T07:26:38.027" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24066" PostId="4728" Score="3" Text="Since Gerry Myerson mentioned merging, I will add a link to this: [What is the procedure to initiate merging of questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4071) (Of course, even if two questions are duplicates, merging is *not always* suitable/possible.)" CreationDate="2020-10-02T11:17:23.157" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24067" PostId="4728" Score="9" Text="Re: *because these questions are not active, they are very unlikely to attract enough votes for this to work.* I will just remind you that if you vote to close some question, it is then pushed into the [close votes review queue](https://mathoverflow.net/review/close/history). On a site which is healthy, there is enough users who visit review queues and they will notice the question. (And, based on their judgement, they might vote for or against closing as a duplicate.)" CreationDate="2020-10-02T11:20:21.250" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24068" PostId="4728" Score="0" Text="Related SEDE queries: [Recent close reviews](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1272909/recent-reviews-of-a-specific-type?type=2) and [Recent invalidated close reviews](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1304510/recent-reviews-specific-type-and-state-active-completed-invalidated?type=2&amp;state=3) (The data in SEDE are updated only once a week, so the link in the previous comment is better - but it will only show the full review history to 10k+ users. Results of SEDE queries can be seen by anybody.)" CreationDate="2020-10-02T11:21:21.920" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24069" PostId="4728" Score="5" Text="cross-linking seems a good solution, if needed add explication why its a duplicate, as that might not be obvious ..." CreationDate="2020-10-03T03:58:03.097" UserId="6494" />
  <row Id="24062" PostId="4729" Score="3" Text="This bug report by Glorfindel (on [meta.se]) seems related: [MathJax wrongly rendered when used as alt text for image](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/327908)" CreationDate="2020-10-02T03:20:49.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24063" PostId="4729" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, in fact, [it](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4729/dollar-sign-in-image-title-works-in-preview-but-not-in-actual-post#comment24062_4729) seems identical.  Shall I close as duplicate?  (I feel like we've had this exchange about a previous bug report of mine that was also duplicate before, but I don't remember and can't immediately find the result ….)" CreationDate="2020-10-02T03:21:42.917" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24064" PostId="4729" Score="5" Text="You can't close a question as a cross-site duplicate, it's fine to leave it open. I'll link your question in my bug report, so that the developers can mark it [meta-tag:status-completed] when they get to it." CreationDate="2020-10-02T05:49:24.753" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="24070" PostId="4731" Score="4" Text="isn't it like this that CW questions on MO are questions for which there is not a single &quot;correct&quot; answer? typically opinion-based questions, or big-list questions." CreationDate="2020-10-05T14:30:26.957" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="24071" PostId="4731" Score="1" Text="@CarloBeenakker OK right, it's not the same reason as for non-unique-answer questions. I have edited accordingly." CreationDate="2020-10-05T14:34:04.477" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24072" PostId="4733" Score="7" Text="I'm sorry to hear that; thanks for letting us know." CreationDate="2020-10-05T16:42:22.037" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24075" PostId="4733" Score="5" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/users/4231/jim-humphreys" CreationDate="2020-10-06T01:04:37.837" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="24079" PostId="4736" Score="1" Text="I know nothing about this specific user’s situation, but for one thing, a user with a network-wide suspension may be manually unsuspended on any particular site by a moderator, see https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/257498/user-is-suspended-network-wide-except-not-really ." CreationDate="2020-10-07T18:14:19.667" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24080" PostId="4736" Score="1" Text="Actually, are you sure this was really this user’s network profile in the technical sense? The (now apparently deleted) MO user profile could have been a new user account unattached to the suspended network account (even if presumably created by the same person)." CreationDate="2020-10-07T18:24:45.140" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24081" PostId="4736" Score="4" Text="Well, I only got to the network profile from clicking through from here, so I don't really know. I suspect this user has been here before, asking questions relating RH to the zeta function as a wave, and other really peculiar questions about vaguely race-related issues on other SE sites." CreationDate="2020-10-07T21:25:08.520" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24082" PostId="4736" Score="2" Text="Re: @DavidRoberts last comment- see the other Meta question https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4664/one-person-creating-multiple-riemann-hypothesis-related-accounts" CreationDate="2020-10-07T22:20:34.337" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="24083" PostId="4736" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Don't forget the claim that apparently all answers on MO are just people copying results of Google searches" CreationDate="2020-10-08T01:11:35.113" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24085" PostId="4736" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi I missed that one!" CreationDate="2020-10-08T03:09:50.630" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24088" PostId="4736" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts All right, this should work, thank you. I couldn't test it myself as the MO profile had already been deleted, and I didn't know if you used this or another method (such as searching for the user name)." CreationDate="2020-10-08T07:02:05.767" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24086" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="I see that in your post you [linked to an answer](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/7063/a-problem-of-an-infinite-number-of-balls-and-an-urn/7113#7113). My guess would be that you probably wanted to [link to the question](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/7063/a-problem-of-an-infinite-number-of-balls-and-an-urn). (As a side note, I think that ([meta-tag:specific-question]) would be a reasonable tag here.)" CreationDate="2020-10-08T03:25:36.273" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24087" PostId="4737" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak thanks" CreationDate="2020-10-08T04:15:53.423" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="24089" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="BTW the question has already got some reopen votes. Some of them [from the reopen review](https://mathoverflow.net/review/reopen/137383)." CreationDate="2020-10-09T02:08:39.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24090" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="Can you give us a very brief description of how your answer differs from the existing ones?" CreationDate="2020-10-09T03:26:02.647" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24091" PostId="4737" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts I will give a precise answer to a simplified version of the problem and describe how the answer to the original version should differ." CreationDate="2020-10-09T03:28:33.557" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="24092" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts And, by the way, it was closed as a narrow-usable but in fact it deals with the broad problem and paradoxes of supertasks." CreationDate="2020-10-09T03:38:43.550" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="24093" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="@Anixx mostly it was closed because a troll was repeatedly posting nonsense as &quot;answers&quot; despite it being downvoted and deleted again and again." CreationDate="2020-10-09T03:44:54.577" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24094" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="I just cast the last vote to reopen." CreationDate="2020-10-09T03:46:30.393" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24095" PostId="4737" Score="3" Text="There's a specific thread for such requests: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-and-undelete-votes-for-on-hold-closed-and-deleted-question" CreationDate="2020-10-09T08:41:48.980" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24103" PostId="4737" Score="3" Text="I'm sorry to say that I'm not sure it was worth reopening the question for an answer that has quickly gotten a net score of -2, and whose content is...not quite of the same rigour as the other ten answers." CreationDate="2020-10-10T10:20:16.723" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24104" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [Requests for reopen and undelete votes for on-hold, closed, and deleted questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/223/requests-for-reopen-and-undelete-votes-for-on-hold-closed-and-deleted-question)" CreationDate="2020-10-10T10:20:26.660" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24105" PostId="4737" Score="3" Text="I just discovered I could protect questions, so I did so for this one, to avoid more drive-by shenanigans. If this is not needed I'm happy to remove, or have it removed." CreationDate="2020-10-10T10:22:59.723" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24106" PostId="4738" Score="1" Text="PS Relevant [2020 MSC numbers](https://mathscinet.ams.org/msc/msc2020.html) seem to be: &#xA;**03C62** *Models of arithmetic and set theory*; **03F30** *First-order arithmetic and fragments*; **03F35** *Second- and higher-order arithmetic and fragments* **03H15** *Nonstandard models of arithmetic*" CreationDate="2020-10-10T12:49:34.510" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24108" PostId="4738" Score="1" Text="+1 from me - mainly to get the question to score $\ge3$ so that it appears in the [community bulletin](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-bulletin/info). (That could help more users to notice this question and improve the chances that some users will joint the discussion.)" CreationDate="2020-10-11T03:33:35.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24110" PostId="4738" Score="0" Text="This is kind of addressed in Noah Schweber's answer, but would a question about Hilbert's 10th problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_tenth_problem) fit under this tag?" CreationDate="2020-10-11T04:45:30.897" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="24111" PostId="4738" Score="0" Text="@SamHopkins I put computability questions after &quot;maybe also&quot; as I was quite skeptical they should be included." CreationDate="2020-10-11T07:10:36.313" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24130" PostId="4738" Score="0" Text="(Just for the record: at the time of edit, with amended request, the question has a balance of +5=8−3 votes and Noah Schweber's answer has a balance of +6=6−0 votes.)" CreationDate="2020-10-14T14:30:40.193" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24153" PostId="4738" Score="0" Text="To be consistent, following up on a suggestion of Martin Sleziak's, https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/55819928#55819928, we should have the tag [models-of-pa] to be a synonym for [models-of-arithmetic]." CreationDate="2020-10-24T23:10:02.373" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="24154" PostId="4738" Score="0" Text="@jeq there are only 5 questions now (initially 9) with [tag:models-of-pa], it's easy to do it manually." CreationDate="2020-10-25T06:48:53.577" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24097" PostId="4739" Score="1" Text="I think a relevant information is that the bounty was given by another user (not by OP, whose MO account is closed — I don't know whether it was already closed 1 hour ago but this is probably irrelevant)." CreationDate="2020-10-09T12:50:59.140" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24098" PostId="4739" Score="3" Text="This very user [ho67gy](https://mathoverflow.net/users/164442/ho67gy?tab=profile) currently has 0 question and 0 answer, but it would be useful to know whether this user has many deleted contributions (this is unfortunately not available except maybe for mods)? I'd view any post written on the only purpose to delete it as a misuse. Also, I think you might flag to moderators with a link to this discussion, if not already done." CreationDate="2020-10-09T12:54:26.950" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24101" PostId="4739" Score="1" Text="[Link to the offerer of the bounty's profile](https://mathoverflow.net/users/164740/joe-t) and [bounties from this user](https://mathoverflow.net/users/164740/joe-t?tab=bounties&amp;sort=offered) Browsing through them I haven't detected any other similar fact." CreationDate="2020-10-09T17:45:35.103" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24102" PostId="4739" Score="9" Text="Yes, there have been similar shenanigans in the past (over a year ago). Thanks for bringing this to attention, Wojowu." CreationDate="2020-10-09T21:42:51.657" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24107" PostId="4739" Score="1" Text="Possibly related weird behavior: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/373127/complex-manifold-defined-over-mathbbr It looks like &quot;Community&quot; is awarding a bounty on this question (which was posted by the same bounty-offerer &quot;JoeT,&quot; who now seems to have a deleted account?)" CreationDate="2020-10-10T23:37:17.710" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="24119" PostId="4739" Score="1" Text="@SamHopkins That is explained in the FAQ: [How does the bounty system work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/16065): &quot;What happens if I delete my account while I have an active bounty? The bounty will just be moved to (owned) by the Community user and will be awarded automatically at the end of the period as they normally would.&quot; This post is given as the source: [Bounties from deleted accounts should still be awarded; al least, the indicator should be removed](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/85954#89614)" CreationDate="2020-10-12T09:37:32.197" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24112" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="It shouldn’t include *Independence of being ...* either as it is a question on independence in ZFC rather than any arithmetic, *Does Taranovsky’s system...* as it is a question on definitions of compuatble ordinals that does not per se involve any arithmetic, and I don’t think it should include *Proof as $\Sigma_1$ approximation...* as the fact that it uses PA as an example is mostly irrelevant to the question. Moreover, *Is (Z,+,0,1,P2,P3) decidable?* is borderline; as I read it, it is a question about decidability of a certain structure, not a question about a theory of arithmetic." CreationDate="2020-10-11T07:30:22.267" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24113" PostId="4740" Score="1" Text="Really, it seems to me that if the tag is to make a coherent sense rather than being a hodge-podge of various tangentially related things from logic, it should essentially be just a renaming of the existing “peano-arithmetic” tag (which has always been interpreted much more broadly than the name suggest, including subsystems and extensions of PA, that is, essentially, any “theories of arithmetic”). I agree that the name of the “peano-arithmetic” tag is suboptimal for the purpose, but I don’t see the need for any genuinely new tag here." CreationDate="2020-10-11T07:35:04.920" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24114" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I have the impression that much less than half of the concerned questions currently have the [tag:peano-arithmetic] tag, and that's precisely the problem. (For instance out of the first six questions in my post, which I believe fit the &quot;theories-of-arithmetic&quot; topic, only one has the peano tag, and I'm afraid this reflects the general picture.)" CreationDate="2020-10-11T08:42:05.703" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24115" PostId="4740" Score="1" Text="@YCor This problem is not solved by creating a new tag, but by making sure to include the existing tag on questions where it is appropriate (and by renaming it so its scope is more clear). And to repeat, only 3–4 questions on your list fit the topic; the remaining ones are on tangential topics such as computability, descriptive complexity, and set theory." CreationDate="2020-10-11T09:27:22.617" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24116" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek which questions among (1)-(6) don't fit a (broad) interpretation of &quot;theories-of-arithmetic&quot;? in any case I clearly see a problem in systematically retagging &quot;peano-arithmetic&quot; questions that are not about Peano arithmetic." CreationDate="2020-10-11T09:40:10.367" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24117" PostId="4740" Score="1" Text="Right, so as I already wrote twice, rename the “peano-arithmetic” tag as “theories-of-arithmetic”." CreationDate="2020-10-11T09:59:42.370" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24125" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, Noam: I have created the tag [tag:theories-of-arithmetic]. (This is for the moment easily reversible as the number of questions is very small.) I included a short tag excerpt, please improve it if necessary. I'll request to moderators to rename all instances of [tag:peano-arithmetic] as [tag:theories-of-arithmetic]. Note that this can be done in (at least) 2 ways: making a synonym, or merging, see [Martin Sleziak's explanation at editor's lounge](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/55819901#55819901)." CreationDate="2020-10-14T09:00:54.600" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24128" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="@YCor All right, thank you. I tweaked the tag exceerpt a bit." CreationDate="2020-10-14T10:03:18.540" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24134" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek and YCor: Just to be on the safe side, I will repeat that merging is a tool which has to be used carefully, since it cannot be reversed. (If a synonym is created *without* merging, then it can be cancelled and the posts will have the original tags - with the exception of questions which were edited while it existed. If the tags are merged, then tags are actually changed and cancelling the synonym does not restore the original state, to get back to it one would retag manually.)" CreationDate="2020-10-15T04:38:03.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29352" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek and Noah Schweber: your reaction to [Joel David Hamkins's late answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5816/14094) would be useful." CreationDate="2023-12-22T02:50:41.477" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24120" PostId="4742" Score="3" Text="This reminded me of a discussion whether blockquote should be used for highlighting (rather than quoting) on [math.meta.se]: [Is using blockquote for highlighting problematic?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/23015)" CreationDate="2020-10-14T01:21:59.157" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24121" PostId="4742" Score="1" Text="Here is a related thread on [meta.se]: [Where should I use Blockquotes?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/306035) There is also a bit of related discussion in the comments under this unser: [How to write a good MathOverflow question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/882#883) (MO users and moderators use many features of the Stack Exchange software differently from what they were intended for. Having said that, I am certainly guilty of using blockquote for emphasis myself.)" CreationDate="2020-10-14T05:58:03.983" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24141" PostId="4742" Score="0" Text="Does `\TeX` really need the `\rm`?  Experiment: without `\rm` $\TeX$ versus with `\rm` $\rm\TeX$. Huh, so it does.  What about outside of math mode? \TeX Aha, I see it doesn't register there at all." CreationDate="2020-10-19T19:19:01.490" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24147" PostId="4742" Score="1" Text="@LSpice You see, to invoke MathJax one needs dollars, and inside dollars the argument of `\color` stays in math mode while the (main) argument of `\colorbox` is switched to the text mode. So to write colored upright $\rm\TeX$ one needs to make two more switchings the second of which I failed to make and which Asaf kindly provided." CreationDate="2020-10-20T06:59:39.327" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24159" PostId="4742" Score="1" Text="Regarding the most recent edit: the 'thingy' is one of the pieces from the game sometimes known as 'Jacks' https://www.britannica.com/topic/jacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knucklebones#/media/File:The_Childrens_Museum_of_Indianapolis_-_Jacks.jpg" CreationDate="2020-10-27T12:52:12.253" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24122" PostId="4743" Score="0" Text="Actually three dashes are enough." CreationDate="2020-10-14T08:27:26.337" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24123" PostId="4743" Score="1" Text="What is semantic markup?" CreationDate="2020-10-14T08:38:57.190" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24124" PostId="4743" Score="5" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე It means that the commands to change the appearance of the text are not just about appearance, but they encode meaning to the enclosed text that a machine can read, perhaps one that translates for a person using a screen reader. For instance, using \emph in LaTeX emphasizes the text relative to the surrounding text, not just &quot;make italic&quot;." CreationDate="2020-10-14T08:58:49.467" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24127" PostId="4743" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila thanks for picking that up. I think I might have muscle memory from somewhere!" CreationDate="2020-10-14T09:48:21.360" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24137" PostId="4743" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Note that the correct HTML equivalent of `\emph` is `&lt;i&gt;`, not `&lt;em&gt;`." CreationDate="2020-10-18T17:23:23.090" UserId="114888" />
  <row Id="24138" PostId="4743" Score="2" Text="@wizzwizz4 Why do you think so?" CreationDate="2020-10-18T19:19:14.863" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24139" PostId="4743" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Because I have been looking at a lot of non-semantic TeX documents, apparently; I thought people used `\emph` for Latin words and stuff. Here are [`&lt;i&gt;`](https://w3c.github.io/html-reference/i.html) and [`&lt;em&gt;`](https://w3c.github.io/html-reference/em.html)'s usage guidelines. `&lt;em&gt;` should be used for _stress_ emphasis (e.g. just then), and `&lt;i&gt;` should be used for _per se_ italicised text that isn't necessarily emphasised." CreationDate="2020-10-18T20:38:24.670" UserId="114888" />
  <row Id="24140" PostId="4743" Score="4" Text="@wizzwizz4 erm, I'm fairly sure that `\emph` emphasises text: if you use it in an environment where the text is italic by default, the `\emph`ed text becomes upright. TeX's `\it` is like HTML's `&lt;i&gt;`, methinks. Although, looking at the reference for `&lt;i&gt;`, it seems that this doesn't do what it used to do (when I learned HTML a looong time ago). These days with CSS, I guess one can make HTML do nearly anything...." CreationDate="2020-10-18T22:51:13.543" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24145" PostId="4743" Score="1" Text="@მამუკა just added another variation for making a question stand out, if you are still interested." CreationDate="2020-10-20T06:15:22.597" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24146" PostId="4743" Score="1" Text="If only there would be a way to use at least very restricted amount of css in the se markup..." CreationDate="2020-10-20T06:26:20.877" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24132" PostId="4744" Score="3" Text="I basically agree with you and promise not to misuse mathjax. However I still miss possibility to have a paragraph with shaded background for the concise version of the question or the main message of an answer." CreationDate="2020-10-14T19:55:26.770" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24133" PostId="4744" Score="2" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე What about using instead something like: **Main question.** This paragraph contains a brief summary of the main questions, so I marked it with bold - thus making the summary easier to find. (Of course, one can use &quot;TL;DR;&quot; or something completely different instead of &quot;main question&quot;.)" CreationDate="2020-10-15T04:01:27.200" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24135" PostId="4744" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak This only works completely well at the end of the post - otherwise it is not easily noticeable where does it end." CreationDate="2020-10-15T04:49:54.423" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24136" PostId="4744" Score="2" Text="I see it the other way round: I read text highlighted by gray background as central information. Quotes need &quot;quotes&quot; for me (while still not everything between quotes is a quote)." CreationDate="2020-10-15T07:58:53.777" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="24155" PostId="4744" Score="0" Text="In a different direction: Why is using headlines instead of quotes less wrong in a semantical way? A questions is not a headline by any means." CreationDate="2020-10-26T11:47:33.983" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="24156" PostId="4744" Score="0" Text="@Dirk If writing the question as a section header does not make sense semantically (though sometimes it does: short questions often make good headlines), then you can always open with a section header `# Main question` and write your question in normal text after that. This is similar to what David Roberts added to his answer." CreationDate="2020-10-26T13:45:25.877" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24142" PostId="4745" Score="7" Text="Of course, the OP is shown this in the banner at the top of the question: &quot;This question does not appear to be about research level mathematics within the scope defined in the [help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic).&quot; (It also explicitly says under this text: &quot;Viewable by the post author and users with the close/reopen votes privilege&quot;.) If the OP follows the link, he will find the information in the help center, which includes a link to a list of alternative sites." CreationDate="2020-10-20T02:33:35.233" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24143" PostId="4745" Score="3" Text="The fact that the banner with the close reason is displayed differently to various users is perhaps a bit unfortunate. I am not really sure when this was changed, but this difference existed in April - it is mentioned in this post on [math.meta.se]: [New changes to close reasons](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31544)." CreationDate="2020-10-20T02:41:22.013" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24144" PostId="4745" Score="0" Text="These previews discussions are - to some extent - related: [Should we exercise a bit more tolerance towards newcomers?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3518) and [“Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming.” — are we?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3713)" CreationDate="2020-10-20T04:27:24.990" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24148" PostId="4745" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, it's good that the OP is actually given that information.  But there's still the problem that other readers, especially new ones, will see the posting and *not* see that explanation.  Instead they'll see what looks to them like a reasonable question and that it's been closed for being &quot;off-topic&quot; without any further explanation.  That is their learning moment, and SE hides it from them, and that's bad." CreationDate="2020-10-20T13:34:03.663" UserId="157443" />
  <row Id="24149" PostId="4745" Score="2" Text="Well, the other users still see a banner with two links to the help center - although they are given less information. Still, this is not specific to [mathoverflow.se], it works this way on all Stack Exchange sites. So if this should be changed, the issue probably should be raised on [meta.se]. (And it seems to me that some of the answers in this thread discuss something similar: [New Post Notices rollout on Stack Overflow](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/337013).)" CreationDate="2020-10-20T14:06:40.160" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24150" PostId="4745" Score="1" Text="*&quot;This particular question was deleted, while others are closed. And that is what should have happened.&quot;* Actually closed questions are likely to be deleted (by vote by privilege users, rather than moderator action). If score balance is $\le -3$, once the question is closed (5 votes), it can be deleted by 3 votes. If $\ge -2$, it can still be deleted by 3 votes, but such votes are possible only a few days after closure." CreationDate="2020-10-21T18:05:53.730" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24151" PostId="4747" Score="0" Text="How long should it take for this change to propagate? For example, after four days, on my machine, https://mathoverflow.net/users/2000/fran%c3%a7ois-g-dorais?tab=tags&amp;sort=name&amp;page=3 shows 17 posts with the [peano-arithmetic] tag (and one with [theories-of-arithmetic]), but clicking it gives https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=user:2000+[peano-arithmetic], which shows only _one_ post, missing the other 17." CreationDate="2020-10-24T21:47:17.543" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="24152" PostId="4747" Score="0" Text="...And the single post found had had the new tag _manually_ added ten days ago." CreationDate="2020-10-24T22:13:55.070" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="29364" PostId="4747" Score="1" Text="@jeq AFAICT that's simply consequence of the fact that there is a synonym, but the tags have never been merged. See, for example, these bug reports: &#xA;[Tag synonyms and searching](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/382271) and [Show total number of questions in synonym group at all occasions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/262280)." CreationDate="2023-12-22T10:17:44.660" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24160" PostId="4748" Score="2" Text="If you used a Facebook profile picture, it could have been due to https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/355805/default-profile-picture-from-facebook-is-being-displayed-instead-of-facebook-pi . (However, note that Firefox users such as myself do not see *any* Facebook profile pictures on SE at all, as they are blocked because of tracking protection. Hence anyone who actually wants their profile picture to be seen by others should better upload it directly to SE.)" CreationDate="2020-10-27T14:09:43.843" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24161" PostId="4748" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek So this is actually SE-wide, thanks for pointing it out. Not sure what is better - provide an answer (if you would) or just close it, as this is not MO-specific..." CreationDate="2020-10-27T16:35:09.377" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24171" PostId="4749" Score="0" Text="I realized that many things are so automated after using them very often, that I don't even think what to do. Maybe that explains why I had to edit the answer several time and mixed up whether to use cltr+click or right click." CreationDate="2020-11-01T16:04:01.063" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24162" PostId="4750" Score="3" Text="That's what colleagues &amp; journals are for." CreationDate="2020-10-28T12:09:49.270" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24163" PostId="4750" Score="1" Text="Somewhat related older post on this meta: [Community Peer-Review in Mathoverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3088). You can find also some related discussions: [Submitting a paper for review](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4125), [Are requests for proof reading written articles appropriate on MSE?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/28758), etc." CreationDate="2020-10-28T14:21:42.277" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24164" PostId="4750" Score="1" Text="Also these questions on [mathoveflow.se] might be of interest for you: [Are there any good websites for hosting discussions of mathematical papers?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/51056) and [Math Annotate Platform?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/122125) There is also this question on [math.se]: [Where to get peer-reviewed before submitting a paper to journal?](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/121567) (And maybe you can find some other posts on this - this is what I was able to find.)" CreationDate="2020-10-28T14:24:31.190" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24165" PostId="4751" Score="0" Text="Seems like a good idea for area 51." CreationDate="2020-10-28T14:45:26.313" UserDisplayName="user167505" />
  <row Id="24166" PostId="4751" Score="4" Text="@epic_math I am not really sure about that. You can see that there suggestions for new sites lead nowhere: [Area 51 Mathematics Open Community Reviews](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4321) and [area 51 proposal - Math review](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2396). (They are not exactly the same as your suggestion, but they definitely share some common features.)" CreationDate="2020-10-28T16:15:16.427" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29498" PostId="4752" Score="0" Text="I think you might have mentioned Ghomi's work twice in this same thread? https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2866/11540" CreationDate="2024-01-19T02:41:00.183" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29499" PostId="4752" Score="0" Text="@DavidWhite: Ghomi wrote two papers on the topic separated by ~5 yrs." CreationDate="2024-01-19T11:48:14.443" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="29500" PostId="4752" Score="0" Text="Ah, that's good to know" CreationDate="2024-01-19T13:19:20.913" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="24174" PostId="4753" Score="0" Text="[meta.se]: [Views indicator inaccurate, shows one views on question with two close votes](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/46974) and other [questions linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/46974)." CreationDate="2020-11-10T06:26:11.777" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24177" PostId="4753" Score="2" Text="It would be nice if this question on meta had more upvotes than views. (It would make it a bit self-referential.) Sadly, it seems that this is unlikely to happen." CreationDate="2020-11-11T08:48:48.910" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24176" PostId="4757" Score="3" Text="I will add that it is recommended *against* doing both - spam-flag and downvote - at least in some cases. (Although on a healthy site spam posts should be removed rather fast anyway, so this shouldn't matter that much.)  [meta.se]: [Why shouldn't I downvote spam that I've already flagged?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/193916) The same thing is mentioned also on this meta: [What should I do when I see a spam post on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4259)" CreationDate="2020-11-10T13:24:02.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24178" PostId="4758" Score="2" Text="I will point out that the tag synonym (positive-characteristic) $\to$ (characteristic-p) has been previously suggested by LSpice and is among the pending tag synonyms waiting for votes: https://mathoverflow.net/tags/characteristic-p/synonyms https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1178483/data-about-a-tag-synonym?tagname=positive-characteristic https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1239539/pending-tag-synonyms" CreationDate="2020-11-12T03:00:29.713" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24179" PostId="4758" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I can't upvote it because I need 5 answer rep on this tag. This automatized synonym tag suggestion system is totally inefficient, it will probably still be pending in 2050 if no moderator makes the job..." CreationDate="2020-11-12T07:18:58.250" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24184" PostId="4760" Score="0" Text="Since you have mentioned deleted questions, I will add that using the PostsWithDeleted table, one can also find questions which [had the tag at the time of deletion](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/883845/deleted-questions-with-a-given-tag?Tagname=ag.algebraic-geometry). However, we cannot find from SEDE whether some tag was added and then removed from some deleted question." CreationDate="2020-11-18T07:03:12.070" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24185" PostId="4762" Score="5" Text="That was a brand new user (looking at their user ID) but they might have had an association bonus (the moderators can probably tell). Otherwise, they should not be able to edit [even community wiki posts](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/edit-community-wiki) as that requires 100 reputation." CreationDate="2020-11-19T08:51:11.530" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="24186" PostId="4762" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel Huh, interesting; out of curiosity, how can you tell by their ID that they're brand new?" CreationDate="2020-11-19T08:52:30.460" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24187" PostId="4762" Score="8" Text="I will add that I have mentioned those two edits also in the [MO editors' lounge](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2020/11/19). A natural guess would be that when a moderator deleted the user, they missed this particular edit. And the reason that the edit was listed as community since at the time when you (and me) looked at the post, the account of the user have been already destroyed." CreationDate="2020-11-19T09:03:07.943" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24188" PostId="4762" Score="8" Text="@AlecRhea https://mathoverflow.net/users?tab=NewUsers&amp;sort=creationdate - the newest user currently has ID 168953, only 7 more than the perpetrator here." CreationDate="2020-11-19T09:25:50.510" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="24189" PostId="4762" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel Cool trick, thanks for the explanation." CreationDate="2020-11-19T09:50:21.653" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24190" PostId="4762" Score="3" Text="This bud report is perhaps also (marginally) related to the situation here: [Edit by deleted user is incorrectly attributed on some pages to anonymous users](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/336528)." CreationDate="2020-11-19T19:30:01.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24191" PostId="4762" Score="4" Text="Wow, it's up to 6 digits now!  I remember when it was 2 digits..." CreationDate="2020-11-21T22:25:01.797" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24192" PostId="4762" Score="2" Text="Anonymous users should not be able to edit, period. I don't understand what on earth the designers thought when they allowed them to, because so far the effects of anonymous edits that I have observed on SE are *overwhelmingly* negative." CreationDate="2020-11-22T07:22:42.843" UserId="50073" />
  <row Id="24193" PostId="4762" Score="2" Text="@user21820 And anonymous users *can not edit* - they can only suggest edits. The edits referenced here were made by a user *with an account* - and the account was later deleted. Concerning the question whether or not anonymous edits can contribute something useful - I'd guess this is quite famous: [Suggested edit by Anonymous](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/302471)." CreationDate="2020-11-22T07:30:38.417" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24194" PostId="4762" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak: I was referring to the title of this meta post, not the incident that happened here (which as you said happens to be a later-deleted user). It is true that anonymous users can only suggest an edit, but in my opinion that should not even be allowed, because sometimes trolls use anonymous edits to cause trouble, since some reviewers do not read what they review." CreationDate="2020-11-22T07:35:04.897" UserId="50073" />
  <row Id="24195" PostId="4762" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: That link you just edited into your comment is quite interesting. =) But I still think that there is little benefit. The fact that one anonymous user did contribute a lot via anonymous edits does not imply that that user would not do so if edits were required to be associated with an account. =)" CreationDate="2020-11-22T07:36:24.503" UserId="50073" />
  <row Id="24196" PostId="4764" Score="1" Text="I will add here at least one comment - so that you can test whether this really works." CreationDate="2020-11-22T09:34:16.717" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24197" PostId="4764" Score="0" Text="Many thanks! Yes, it works." CreationDate="2020-11-22T11:20:44.210" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24198" PostId="4764" Score="0" Text="By some reason I cannot do `@MartinSleziak` here, could it be related to the fact that you linked to it??" CreationDate="2020-11-22T11:22:41.593" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24199" PostId="4764" Score="2" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I'd look at &quot;[Where has the @ gone ?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2726)&quot; and &quot;[How do comment @replies work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/43019)&quot; for possible explanations when `@username` is automatically removed by the software. But I don't see how *linking to the comment* could influence that." CreationDate="2020-11-22T11:39:09.563" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24200" PostId="4764" Score="0" Text="Oh I see, I did not pay attention that I am responding to the author of the answer, not to a commenter." CreationDate="2020-11-22T11:41:45.797" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24287" PostId="4764" Score="1" Text="Sometimes I want to link to a comment inside another comment, so I strip away as much cruft as possible.  Often the copied link includes `noredirect=1` or whatever, and that can go away.  I've noticed in fact that the slug can go, too: `https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4763/is-linking-to-comments-possible#comment24200_4764` can be shortened just to `https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4763#comment24200_4764`.  However, this seems to break when there are multiple pages of answers.  In that case, what is the minimum I need to keep to link to the correct comment?" CreationDate="2020-12-18T17:08:29.440" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24322" PostId="4764" Score="1" Text="@LSpice I [tried a few variants](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/19138/conversation/shortening-links-to-comments) and found out that if I get a comment link *from an answer*, the link no longer works after changing the part of URL which contains the title. I'd guess this could be considered a bug, since this might cause links obtained from a timestamp to stop working after an edit to the title. Let me know, whether you plan to post something about this on [meta.se] - if not, I can post the bug report about this issue." CreationDate="2020-12-25T08:14:51.573" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24323" PostId="4764" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4763/is-linking-to-comments-possible/4764#comment24322_4764), I haven't done enough experimentation to figure out what works and what doesn't, so, if you are in a position to file a proper bug report, then I'd certainly be grateful if you could." CreationDate="2020-12-25T16:10:12.167" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24328" PostId="4764" Score="1" Text="@LSpice I got a suggestion on [meta.se] to use the links in this format if I need to save the number of characters: `https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/2259`. You can check that it [goes to a comment](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/2259). This was suggested in rene's comment under my post: [Links to comments when the title has been edited](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/358749)." CreationDate="2020-12-25T20:40:59.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24329" PostId="4764" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, cool!  [That](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/24328) link appears to be edited down from `https://mathoverflow.net/questions/2340/what-is-the-first-interesting-theorem-in-insert-subject-here/2431#comment2259_2431`.  So, although the 'native' URL includes both comment number _and_ question number, the question number is irrelevant?  (Also [asked](https://meta.stackexchange.com/posts/comments/1197777) in your other post.  Link to [@rene's comment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/posts/comments/1197769).)" CreationDate="2020-12-25T21:05:40.950" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24201" PostId="4765" Score="2" Text="See here: [Why are MO tags formatted as they are?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1457) and [Frequently asked questions about tagging on MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1075#1076)" CreationDate="2020-11-23T08:10:51.643" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24203" PostId="4765" Score="2" Text="just browsing most frequent tags you would have gotten some hints about this." CreationDate="2020-11-23T13:44:36.657" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24208" PostId="4767" Score="13" Text="&quot;I could swear I've read some post that says if I ask something on maths se and it doesn't get a response after 2 days, then I can ask on overflow.&quot; I would say, if you ask something on m.se then you *can't* ask on MO until it has gone several days without a useful response – but even then, it has to be a question suitable for MO. The mere fact that no one has replied on m.se does not in and of itself make a question suitable for MO." CreationDate="2020-11-24T02:52:58.190" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24211" PostId="4767" Score="5" Text="To echo what I see as @GerryMyerson's [point](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4767#comment24208_4767), I think it's important to realise that there is no inbuilt right to get answers to questions on MO.  The collected wisdom of so many mathematicians is a resource that we are lucky to be able to access, but not one that is due to us; and if, on some question, this resource is not available to us, then it is simply that we have not been so lucky to have a question that is appropriate for MO, rather than that we have been denied some fundamental right." CreationDate="2020-11-25T01:13:09.263" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24229" PostId="4767" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson Ah so necessary but not sufficient?" CreationDate="2020-12-03T23:59:47.427" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="24234" PostId="4767" Score="1" Text="In summary, yes." CreationDate="2020-12-04T02:20:04.957" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="28161" PostId="4767" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson can you give an example of a question that is so hard for maths SE to answer yet is not suitable for overflow? lol. theoretically necessary but not sufficient but practically sounds 'almost' sufficient to me like almost everywhere almost surely etc" CreationDate="2022-12-26T09:26:12.817" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="24210" PostId="4768" Score="1" Text="I'm surprised to see a user explicitly named in this post.  It seems that there is no name in the original post.  Is it referring to some hidden history?  If so, should that hidden history be put out in the open here?  (EDIT:  I guess it references https://mathoverflow.net/questions/350788/nonstandard-definitions-of-complexifications .)" CreationDate="2020-11-25T01:09:56.743" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24212" PostId="4768" Score="1" Text="LSpice: Yes, correct, all is above board here, nothing hidden has been divulged." CreationDate="2020-11-25T01:18:00.047" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24213" PostId="4768" Score="1" Text="I certainly didn't mean to imply that anything wasn't above board.  I'm sorry for any such suggestion." CreationDate="2020-11-25T01:35:49.447" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24230" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="question re : 'that means a question is ipso facto considered suitable for MO' --&gt; ah so necessary but not sufficient?" CreationDate="2020-12-04T00:01:48.000" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="24231" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="'As for your point 3.: you're right. It's not at all well-defined. It'd be hard to enforce policy which would make it well-defined.' --&gt; OH GASP! I really wasn't expecting this. I thought there would be some well-definedness." CreationDate="2020-12-04T00:02:22.930" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="24232" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="well anyhoo thanks Todd Trimble♦" CreationDate="2020-12-04T00:02:30.773" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="24233" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="about sealioning, does that include the case when the other party is the one who makes a claim in the 1st place? the wiki article mentions an invitation. to me, an invitation suggests the sealioner is the one who starts it. abx was the one who made a claim and so i was asking about the claim. i think it would be sealioning, if i were to comment on some random user's post or something" CreationDate="2020-12-04T00:05:49.590" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="24238" PostId="4768" Score="1" Text="(1) Re necessity: well, if a question was answered satisfactorily at Math.SE, then it probably shouldn't be duplicated here. (2) Re sealioning: yes, it does include that case. The Victorian lady in the comic strip &quot;started it&quot;. Just generally speaking: leaving an uninterrupted series of questions/comments, as you were doing there and now here, can be annoying to the recipient. It isn't necessarily sealioning, but it can be wearisome. Again, people are busy; they may have neither time nor enough interest to respond to a bunch of comments clustered together." CreationDate="2020-12-04T06:00:50.427" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24239" PostId="4768" Score="1" Text="PS. The comic strip can be found here: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioning" CreationDate="2020-12-04T06:13:57.613" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="26480" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="'The judgment of whether a question is considered on-topic or not for MO is made by individual MO users. ' --&gt; Actually I think I get it now. What you want to do is let the community like self-moderate and decide on a case-to-case basis based on whomever happens to be online at the time. Something like...a jury! That's it! So like a jury could find someone guilty but then again if you do repeat the trial 100 times with different jurors/juries (in case you allow repeats?), it's not necessarily that all 100 juries will find the defendant guilty right?" CreationDate="2021-10-07T13:17:17.903" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="26481" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="I wonder if there's a sufficient condition: If I set a bounty/bounties with a total reputation offered exceeding some $\varepsilon$ then it has to be by law on-topic on overflow? surely you wouldn't object to $\varepsilon=2,000$ but you would object to $\varepsilon=50$. Soooo by continuity (? perhaps Bolzano's theorem? or intermediate value theorem?) there exists a $\varepsilon$...it's like...Willingness to pay in economics?" CreationDate="2021-10-07T13:21:07.087" UserId="69696" />
  <row Id="26485" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="In answer to the first question: not quite like a jury, since the voters don't get together to deliberate. People vote as individuals. But yes, other people who think a closed question has merit can vote to reopen it." CreationDate="2021-10-08T01:37:36.497" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24214" PostId="4769" Score="4" Text="Not really my area, but I'd hope (and sort of suspect) this type of question would be okay. &quot;Research level&quot; is a vague and crappy description, largely to keep out interlopers who are not serious or not in the business of mathematics. &quot;Competent&quot; from the standpoint of people at or above PhD students grappling with questions that arise in the path of serious study is more like it. (People taking overly seriously &quot;research level&quot;, like &quot;cutting edge&quot;, may be a problem here.) I'd say: give it a go." CreationDate="2020-11-25T02:37:43.653" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24215" PostId="4769" Score="0" Text="I see this question on [math.se]: [3-dimensional slice of $\zeta^{2,2}$](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3921232) - but it is less that 24 hours old. So maybe you meant a different question when you said that it was &quot;asked months ago&quot;?" CreationDate="2020-11-25T07:58:12.567" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24216" PostId="4769" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I was referencing this question https://mathoverflow.net/questions/368647/what-is-the-analytic-continuation-of-varphis-sum-n-ge-1-e-ns" CreationDate="2020-11-25T13:27:19.917" UserId="123449" />
  <row Id="24217" PostId="4769" Score="0" Text="I see. I misunderstood what you meant - I thought that you're talking about this question (i.e., the one mentioned in this post) but post on Mathematics." CreationDate="2020-11-25T13:40:39.210" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24219" PostId="4769" Score="2" Text="I'd suggest to wait a little (say 48h) before cross-posting to MO. Or, since there's no feedback at all at MathSE, you could delete it there, and post a copy at MO. In case of a crosspost, mention the other post at each site." CreationDate="2020-11-26T11:09:14.323" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24223" PostId="4769" Score="4" Text="While it's not my area, the formulation &quot;How could you define ...&quot; seems perhaps a little vague to me(?)" CreationDate="2020-11-26T16:33:42.740" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="24244" PostId="4769" Score="1" Text="The question as stated is ill-posed: You should explain what you mean by a &quot;slice&quot; in a semi-Riemannian manifold and what kind of a codimension 1 foliation you are looking for: Every 3-manifold admits a codimension 1 smooth foliation." CreationDate="2020-12-04T21:43:52.857" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="24251" PostId="4769" Score="0" Text="@MoisheKohan is this better? https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3938818/foliation-of-a-globally-hyperbolic-spacetime-by-cauchy-hypersurfaces" CreationDate="2020-12-10T16:27:48.553" UserId="123449" />
  <row Id="24220" PostId="4770" Score="0" Text="I have added the tag ([meta-tag:on-topic]) - which is for questions asking what is/isn't on-topic here. I wasn't sure whether to add also ([meta-tag:specific-question]). See [the tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/specific-question/info) for the description of that tag." CreationDate="2020-11-26T11:22:03.750" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24222" PostId="4770" Score="5" Text="You've asked two questions. If you restricted this to the question about choice of research area, I'd consider it on-topic and upvote. For now, given that it starts with the question about convincing skeptics, I'd vote to close as a duplicate for the highly voted question on funding: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/175847/how-does-one-justify-funding-for-mathematics-research." CreationDate="2020-11-26T14:01:09.437" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="24225" PostId="4771" Score="0" Text="Thanks for letting us know.   I really liked his books on the zeta function, and on Fermat (pre-Wiles)." CreationDate="2020-12-02T03:36:50.077" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24240" PostId="4773" Score="6" Text="Judging by your post on the main site, you might probably be more interested in Mathematics Stack Exchange. The claim that &quot;few people search math questions by LaTeX&quot; is certainly not true - just check the FAQ post: [How to search on this site?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/29265) So typing math properly definitely improves searchability." CreationDate="2020-12-04T10:07:10.927" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24242" PostId="4773" Score="0" Text="High efficiency? Do you think it would be easier to search for text in an image than in MathJax code?" CreationDate="2020-12-04T13:14:09.573" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="24243" PostId="4773" Score="0" Text="@JoelReyesNoche To be fair, I guess that the OP meant that as more efficient way to input formulas. (Which is a dubious claim, but some problems for people who are only starting with MathJax/LaTeX are understandable. For the record, I'll add that the question is now posted on [math.se]: [Understand $\Rightarrow \frac{\triangle y}{\triangle x} - f'(x_0)=a, {\displaystyle \lim_{\triangle x \rightarrow0}{a} = 0}$](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3934213)." CreationDate="2020-12-04T17:38:00.363" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24245" PostId="4773" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, thanks, I hadn't thought of that." CreationDate="2020-12-05T08:42:30.407" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="24246" PostId="4773" Score="2" Text="From what I read on [math.meta.se], it seems that images were used as a workaround in the beginnings, before MathJax was available on that site: [TeX math markup is sorely needed](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2). I see jsmath mentioned in Anton Geraschenko post here: [Area51 / SE 2.0 site-specific script support (such as LaTeX) in beta-phase](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/57931/area51-se-2-0-site-specific-script-support-such-as-latex-in-beta-phase/58450#58450). Maybe some of the oldtimers know whether jsmath was used here right from the start of MO." CreationDate="2020-12-05T09:06:23.260" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24250" PostId="4773" Score="0" Text="In terms of efficiency, I think it's worth noting that, from the community point of view, your time as an asker should be weighted less than the time of everyone who might want to view your question; the point of MO is not to get you answers to your questions, but to accumulate answers to questions for the good of the whole community." CreationDate="2020-12-09T17:46:07.610" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24271" PostId="4776" Score="2" Text="Perhaps &quot;the Stack Exchange _software_ is all about the content, not the person who wrote it&quot;—the community, in which I include myself, definitely does not react to content in a manner that is blind to its author.  (And I think that if it were all about the content in the deepest possible way, then author names wouldn't even be shown.)  For example, I trust this Meta answer more when I see it's from you; from someone else I might wonder if they fully understood the system." CreationDate="2020-12-17T22:25:03.790" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24252" PostId="4777" Score="0" Text="Here is a rather similar question on [math.meta.se]: [Is it ok to take a picture of printed formulaes instead of typing them in MathJaxs?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/26438)" CreationDate="2020-12-13T23:22:40.237" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24259" PostId="4780" Score="1" Text="It might be a reasonable suggestion." CreationDate="2020-12-15T22:50:12.587" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24262" PostId="4780" Score="0" Text="You have my vote." CreationDate="2020-12-16T08:52:02.033" UserId="136473" />
  <row Id="24267" PostId="4780" Score="0" Text="I don't think so.  Most questions I've seen about this reflect misunderstandings, or are aimed at, say, distinguishing second-order arithmetic (which is a first order theory whose objects are numbers and sets of numbers) from the historical axiomitization of arithmetic in second-order logic (which is not of much use in current study)." CreationDate="2020-12-16T22:52:08.283" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="24268" PostId="4780" Score="0" Text="@none &quot; Most questions I've seen about this reflect misunderstandings&quot; That hasn't been my experience, and very few of the hits on the [first page of the search above](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=%22second-order+logic%22) fit that pattern. &quot;Or are aimed at [...]&quot; I don't see what's wrong with that, that's an ineresting topic." CreationDate="2020-12-16T23:33:48.377" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="24294" PostId="4780" Score="2" Text="I could be wrong, but it seems a bit narrow.  Do you feel &quot;logic&quot; is too broad of a tag?  How about something like &quot;higher order logics&quot; instead?  There is sometimes interest in set theory in $n^{th}$ order logic, and also in logics in between 1st and 2nd order (examples: Chang's Conjecture has such a characterization, and also there is work on &quot;stationary logic&quot; and connection with large cardinals)." CreationDate="2020-12-19T18:31:15.500" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24298" PostId="4780" Score="0" Text="@MonroeEskew Now I looked at [math.se] - I see that on that site there are two separate tags ([higher-order-logic](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/higher-order-logic)) and ([second-order-logic](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/second-order-logic)). The tag-info basically makes one of them subset of the other - for tags which are relatively close to each other this does not seem an optimal choice." CreationDate="2020-12-22T09:19:10.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24255" PostId="4782" Score="0" Text="Thank you! @Glorfindel was one minute quicker, and also provided another option, so..." CreationDate="2020-12-15T14:06:58.090" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24263" PostId="4782" Score="1" Text="Yes, Stack Exchange allows some limited use of html, but comments are *not* part of the allowed use. See https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/120418." CreationDate="2020-12-16T09:40:31.790" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24264" PostId="4782" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Just to clarify what your comment (and animuson's answer you oinked) is saying - the gist of it that using HTML comments is *not officially supported*. (And the fact that they actually work - at least in the examples posted in the answeres here - should be considered a lucky accident, byt is not by any means guaranteed.) Is that more-or-less correct?" CreationDate="2020-12-16T10:07:44.803" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24265" PostId="4782" Score="0" Text="I will add that I was trying to find some kind of official documentation about this when I was writing the answer. And I saw that HTML comments are not mentioned here: [What HTML tags are allowed on Stack Exchange sites?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/1777) However, since I saw them used on the site several times, I thought that it might be just an oversight that they are missing in that list." CreationDate="2020-12-16T10:09:40.477" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24266" PostId="4782" Score="1" Text="Yes, HTML comments sort-of work by accident: the parser removes them not because they are comments, but because it considers them invalid HTML tags, which also means they behave syntactically in a different way than proper HTML comments. See my answer below." CreationDate="2020-12-16T10:33:25.033" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24256" PostId="4784" Score="0" Text="The part I want to hide in this particular case is only a small portion of the post, the rest is perfectly sane. And I believe this can happen equally with questions and with answers." CreationDate="2020-12-15T14:35:21.177" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24257" PostId="4784" Score="2" Text="Concerning the fact that it is not possible to edit self-deleted questions, I was given this link as a place where it is (in some way) documented: [Couple of issues with Roomba Turbocharging](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/178760#179555). And I can confirm that when I tried it myself - I was able to edit self-deleted answers, but not self-deleted questions. (This restriction does not apply to questions which were deleted by other users, not the OP.)" CreationDate="2020-12-15T14:45:56.410" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24258" PostId="4784" Score="2" Text="In connection to this, it is worth adding that editing a deleted answer bumps the question - which might be not desired. (This related feature request was marked as status-by-design: [Stop an edited deleted answer from bumping the question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/42066).) Of course, this is moot if *both* the question and the answer are deleted." CreationDate="2020-12-15T14:48:44.567" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24293" PostId="4785" Score="0" Text="Is &lt;script&gt; supported on SE? :)" CreationDate="2020-12-19T18:02:04.217" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="24297" PostId="4785" Score="2" Text="@joro You can find list of the supported HTML tags here: [What HTML tags are allowed on Stack Exchange sites?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/1777) Since your asking about &lt;script&gt;, maybe [Stack Snippets](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/stack-snippets/info) are what you have in mind." CreationDate="2020-12-22T06:36:25.763" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24277" PostId="4786" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, thanks!  I tried to guess at a minimal test case from some that had happened to me in the wild, and I guessed wrong.  I posted a few more variants beneath your comment.  It seems from a few tests that it only happens when `\DeclareMathOperator` is at the beginning, and only when `\a` is actually used, and that the affected span is between the declaration and the use.  I updated the sample text accordingly." CreationDate="2020-12-18T15:04:40.157" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24278" PostId="4786" Score="1" Text="$\DeclareMathOperator\a{a}$Here's a [link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\a$ and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net)." CreationDate="2020-12-18T16:25:20.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24279" PostId="4786" Score="1" Text="So it seems that the problem can be replicated also on meta, not only on main. (I am mentioning this because of [the first version of this question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4786/1) saying that &quot;apparently the problem does not occur on MMO&quot;.) In the previous comment I have posted this: `$\DeclareMathOperator\a{a}$Here's a [link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\a$ and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net).`" CreationDate="2020-12-18T16:27:27.647" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24272" PostId="4787" Score="7" Text="One of the close reasons is &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot; (or at least it used to be; I appreciate the intent behind, but regret the increased vagueness of, the current close reasons, and I don't know if this particular one survived).  I would think that, almost by definition, a question about which of two options people _think_ is valuable (an inherently non-objective criterion) will be opinion based, and hence likely to be closed.  (But if MO history teaches anything, it's that the reception of soft questions is a very hard thing to predict!)" CreationDate="2020-12-17T23:27:55.690" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24275" PostId="4787" Score="1" Text="@LSpice yes, typo" CreationDate="2020-12-18T00:09:20.107" UserId="10059" />
  <row Id="24280" PostId="4788" Score="0" Text="$\DeclareMathOperator{\Hom}{Hom}$ [link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\Hom (U\times V,W)$ and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net)." CreationDate="2020-12-18T16:35:01.573" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24281" PostId="4788" Score="0" Text="$\DeclareMathOperator{\Hom}{Hom}$ [link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\Hom$ and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net)." CreationDate="2020-12-18T16:36:46.777" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24282" PostId="4788" Score="0" Text="$\DeclareMathOperator{\R}{\mathbb R}$[link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\R$ and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net)." CreationDate="2020-12-18T16:37:46.187" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24283" PostId="4788" Score="0" Text="$\DeclareMathOperator{\R}{\mathbb R}$ [link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\R$ and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net)." CreationDate="2020-12-18T16:38:51.927" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24284" PostId="4788" Score="0" Text="A $\DeclareMathOperator\a{a}$[link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\a$ and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net)." CreationDate="2020-12-18T16:58:42.410" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24285" PostId="4788" Score="0" Text="A [link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\DeclareMathOperator\a{a}$and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\a$." CreationDate="2020-12-18T16:59:50.247" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24286" PostId="4788" Score="0" Text="$\DeclareMathOperator\a{a}$A [link](http://mathoverflow.net) and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\a$." CreationDate="2020-12-18T17:00:58.430" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24289" PostId="4788" Score="1" Text="$\newcommand{\R}{\mathbb R}$[link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\R$ and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net) - this one uses &quot;newcommand&quot; rather than DeclareMathOperator" CreationDate="2020-12-19T08:29:16.347" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24290" PostId="4788" Score="1" Text="$\def\R{\mathbb R}$[link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\R$ and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net) - this one uses &quot;def&quot; rather than DeclareMathOperator" CreationDate="2020-12-19T08:29:37.957" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24292" PostId="4788" Score="1" Text="$\let\vp\varphi$[link](http://mathoverflow.net) $\vp$ and [another link](http://mathoverflow.net) - this one uses &quot;let&quot; rather than DeclareMathOperator" CreationDate="2020-12-19T08:34:35.890" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24295" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="Although, when you refresh the page you briefly see the hidden text flashing..." CreationDate="2020-12-20T00:07:11.963" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="24296" PostId="4789" Score="1" Text="Lovely solution!" CreationDate="2020-12-20T05:42:41.083" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24299" PostId="4790" Score="2" Text="I just found this, by Sune Kristian Jakobsen, posted [here](https://ilaba.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/women-in-math-and-the-overhaul-of-the-publishing-system/): &quot;David Speyer once made a similar experiment to test if he got more upvotes on answers when he posted [on MO] with his own name, than when he posted as an anonymous.&quot; Might you include this in your article?" CreationDate="2020-12-23T02:00:31.710" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="24300" PostId="4790" Score="2" Text="MathOverflow specifically, or StackExchange in general? I presume the latter. And that is something that, to my knowledge, has been slightly in flux over the past 18 months due to various events." CreationDate="2020-12-23T02:40:52.527" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24306" PostId="4790" Score="3" Text="MathOverflow or SE? It makes a big difference. A user could be active on 50+ SE sites." CreationDate="2020-12-23T12:39:56.600" UserId="12289" />
  <row Id="24307" PostId="4790" Score="2" Text="Mathoverflow please." CreationDate="2020-12-23T13:06:25.020" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24308" PostId="4790" Score="8" Text="@JosephO'Rourke I can't get to my old post about this to read the results, because tea is down, but my recollection is that the difference was very small and not significant. (IIRC, for 20 answers I wrote them and then flipped a coin to decided whether or not to sign my name.) I remembered this but was planning not to include it because (1) it was in 2010 and (2) I think the conclusion is not that reputation doesn't matter but that writing like someone who has been on the site for a while matters much more than the number next to your name." CreationDate="2020-12-23T13:10:33.457" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24309" PostId="4790" Score="2" Text="The old post is http://msleziak.com/mathoverflow/tea/discussion/385/experimental-results/" CreationDate="2020-12-23T13:13:02.543" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24310" PostId="4790" Score="6" Text="&quot;(1) it was in 2010&quot;: MathOverflow has changed quite a bit in the last decade. Like a different site now than it was then. So it makes sense to not mention that old experiment." CreationDate="2020-12-23T13:43:18.180" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="24318" PostId="4790" Score="0" Text="@DavidESpeyer (and smci) I meant policies, not behaviour. As far as I know the harassment/abuse policy is meant to be uniform network-wide." CreationDate="2020-12-24T05:05:40.993" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24320" PostId="4790" Score="2" Text="Since moderators have to implement these procedures, it seems relevant also to ask what training, if any, moderators are asked to do on gender discrimination." CreationDate="2020-12-24T20:12:15.570" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="24325" PostId="4790" Score="8" Text="It might be worth noting that last year there was a [huge debate](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/393046/who-or-what-is-monica-and-why-so-much-notice-from-se-users) on SE that essentially stemmed from a disagreement on what is considered discrimination/harassment. In particular, @MarkWildon, &quot;training&quot; moderators on what discrimination is may be a thorny issue." CreationDate="2020-12-25T17:12:49.940" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24330" PostId="4790" Score="8" Text="There's [Code of Conduct](https://mathoverflow.net/conduct) that is general for all SE sites." CreationDate="2020-12-26T06:45:54.810" UserId="60571" />
  <row Id="24373" PostId="4790" Score="6" Text="One answer was upvoted 9 times and downvoted 20 times, and deleted, moved to chat as well as the ongoing comments. The link is: https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/117841/discussion-on-answer-by-harry-gindi-what-are-our-procedures-if-a-user-complains" CreationDate="2021-01-03T13:41:10.637" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24384" PostId="4790" Score="4" Text="Please don't vote to undelete my answer.  There was a somewhat coordinated offsite effort to crater it from +2 to -9, and I'm not interested in having any more attention from twitter.  Thank you in advance." CreationDate="2021-01-05T11:27:19.453" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24385" PostId="4790" Score="9" Text="I understand Harry's concern. However, I find quite worrying that has been a &quot;coordinate effort offsite&quot; to downvoting a completely polite answer, especially because the starting point was given by some user inside MO. Online shaming aimed to shut-up dissent is typical of Twitter, and I am afraid that this kind of disruptive and intimidating strategies could become usual here, too." CreationDate="2021-01-05T19:27:49.870" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24302" PostId="4791" Score="0" Text="I think it would be better if the description were shorter and the details were in the tag wiki." CreationDate="2020-12-23T04:44:23.630" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="24301" PostId="4792" Score="6" Text="It's ambiguous. It's terrible notation. $S$ could be a set of ordered pairs and $\lt$ could be a relation thereon. You should avoid it at the cost of a few more keystrokes." CreationDate="2020-12-23T02:44:44.763" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24303" PostId="4792" Score="1" Text="Since you asked *how widespread* it is, here is [search for $x\lt y\in S$ on SearchOnMath](https://www.searchonmath.com/result?query=%24%7Bx%5Clt+y%5Cin+S%7D%24&amp;page=1&amp;tm=0&amp;domains=o%2C) with the domain limited to MO. (You can also change to other domains - just to have some comparison.) Already on the first page, it shows many different expressions. (I am not sure how exactly this search engine decides which two expressions are similar.) Here is [the same search on ApproachZero](https://approach0.xyz/search/?q=%24x%5Clt%20y%5Cin%20S%24&amp;p=1). (A0 indexes [math.se] and AoPS, but not MO.)" CreationDate="2020-12-23T08:33:42.770" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24311" PostId="4792" Score="0" Text="@bof Of course, in both cases - in [SearchOnMath](https://www.searchonmath.com/result?query=%24%7Bx%5Cne+y%5Cin+S%7D%24&amp;page=1&amp;tm=0&amp;domains=o%2C) and in [Approach Zero](https://approach0.xyz/search/?q=%24x%5Cne%20y%5Cin%20S%24&amp;p=1) you can use this as a search query, too. (I am not sure to which extent this could be helpful. But at least among the search results you can see some occurrences - still, you'd have to check them individually to see what *meaning* exactly the author of the post has in mind. As you said in the last comment, for this you can't really rely on computer.)" CreationDate="2020-12-23T14:24:34.993" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24315" PostId="4792" Score="0" Text="@bof all three of your examples are unambiguous because of how those relation work. The problem with $x\lt y \in S$ is, as you pointed out, is that people can quite reasonably assume it means one of two mutually exclusive things." CreationDate="2020-12-23T22:42:12.473" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24367" PostId="4792" Score="2" Text="I’m voting to close this question because it should be posted on main and not on meta." CreationDate="2021-01-03T11:18:09.557" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24371" PostId="4792" Score="0" Text="@bof Your question does not apply only to writing mathematics on the main site, but to writing mathematics in general. In its current version, you didn't even write &quot;on MO&quot; in it (and even if you would that would be a boat-programming specification). Anyhow, we have other users and moderators to take this decision; this is just my opinion and I do not claim I know more. :)" CreationDate="2021-01-03T13:23:42.770" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28822" PostId="4792" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4792/a-question-of-notation-what-does-x-lt-y-in-s-mean#comment24371_4792), what is &quot;a boat-programming specification&quot;?" CreationDate="2023-06-30T01:35:16.270" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28834" PostId="4792" Score="0" Text="@LSpice This page should explain it: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/14470/what-is-the-boat-programming-meme-about" CreationDate="2023-06-30T06:18:02.567" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28824" PostId="4793" Score="0" Text="Nonetheless, there are surely universally accepted ambiguities. Not only does (almost?) no-one refer to &quot;the group $(G, \cdot)$&quot;, and almost everyone to &quot;the group $G$&quot; (in general; of course one might write something like &quot;the monoid $(\mathbb Z, \cdot)$ versus the monoid $(\mathbb Z, +)$&quot;), doing so would surely be regarded as obscuring, not clarifying.  So I think one cannot respond: always write precisely!; but rather: only use almost universally understood ambiguities!  And from this point of view the question can be understood as: is this amiguity universally understood, and, if so, how?" CreationDate="2023-06-30T01:40:08.310" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28825" PostId="4793" Score="0" Text="@LSpice Ambiguous usually means something that has two or more plausible readings. My personal favorite is &quot;$1=0!$&quot; I don't think &quot;the group $G$&quot; is ambiguous in that sense. Nobody would say the phrase &quot;this is a pen&quot; is ambiguous just because you don't know the color." CreationDate="2023-06-30T02:56:13.547" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28826" PostId="4793" Score="0" Text="[Re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28825), I think that &quot;the monoid $\mathbb Z$&quot; has at least two plausible readings, and that it is quite common to omit the operation if the context makes it clear (though also quite common to specify it). (For that matter, it is *possible*, though not *likely*, to put different group operations on $\mathbb Z$, so even &quot;the group $\mathbb Z$&quot; is technically ambiguous.) But I was not claiming that ambiguity is good, or even acceptable, in this particular case, only that I think that the dictum &quot;never write ambiguously&quot; is not commonly practiced." CreationDate="2023-06-30T03:48:38.247" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28827" PostId="4793" Score="0" Text="[Re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4792/a-question-of-notation-what-does-x-lt-y-in-s-mean/4793#comment28825_4793), also, I think that that analogy may not be perfect; a pen is a pen regardless of its colour, but a set is simply not a group, even if it has a canonical group structure (sometimes a unique one up to choice of identity, but never, except the one-point set, genuinely a unique one)." CreationDate="2023-06-30T03:49:55.500" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28830" PostId="4793" Score="1" Text="Ironically, I think we're arguing about the meaning of ambiguity, not about mathematical practice. What you describe is what I would call imprecise or inexact. These are cases where the meaning can be clarified with additional context. When you say &quot;the group $G$&quot; it is (unambiguously) clear that you mean that $G$ is endowed with a group structure that satisfies the group axioms. It is not immediately clear what this structure is but that just missing context. I think this is part of language and it has nothing to do with mathematical practice per se." CreationDate="2023-06-30T05:15:45.467" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28831" PostId="4793" Score="0" Text="By &quot;ambiguous&quot; I mean something that has two or more plausible meanings even with full context. For example, every paper or book on [partial combinatory algebras](https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/partial+combinatory+algebra) says somewhere that $abc$ means $(ab)c$. That's because the application operation is not associative and thus $abc$ is ambiguous. Interestingly, this is done even though everybody in the field uses this convention." CreationDate="2023-06-30T05:21:44.343" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28832" PostId="4793" Score="0" Text="The only &quot;universally accepted ambiguity&quot; I can think of is precedence of operations. Everywhere, even outside mathematics, $ab+c$ means $(ab)+c$ and not $a(b+c)$." CreationDate="2023-06-30T05:24:00.377" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28833" PostId="4793" Score="1" Text="Actually, there's more like the annoying $\sin^2(x)$ convention." CreationDate="2023-06-30T05:33:01.650" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28835" PostId="4793" Score="1" Text="[Re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4792/a-question-of-notation-what-does-x-lt-y-in-s-mean#comment28833_4793), I have waged a quixotic battle against that all my years of teaching.  I use $\sin(x)^2$, which students insist on reading as $\sin(x^2)$ because parentheses seem to mean nothing to them, so I am stuck with the abomination $\bigl(\sin(x)\bigr)^2$, which makes no-one happy." CreationDate="2023-06-30T13:43:06.627" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24324" PostId="4794" Score="17" Text="It maybe worth adding that, unlike most other &quot;community&quot; websites, mathoverflow does not have a private message feature. Depending on the background of the reader, they may have assumed that there was such a feature." CreationDate="2020-12-25T17:02:38.870" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="24345" PostId="4794" Score="7" Text="As corroboration of this answer, note that the [Code of Conduct](https://mathoverflow.net/conduct) lists three stages of &quot;Enforcement&quot;: (1) Warning, (2) Account suspension, (3) Account expulsion." CreationDate="2020-12-27T13:43:42.507" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="24321" PostId="4795" Score="0" Text="He solved an amazing number of the problems posed in the *American Mathematical Monthly*---quite a talent." CreationDate="2020-12-24T23:23:08.260" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="24326" PostId="4796" Score="0" Text="I have added the tags ([meta-tag:on-topic]) and ([meta-tag:cross-posting]). Perhaps ([meta-tag:specific-question]) could be suitable, too." CreationDate="2020-12-25T18:45:00.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24327" PostId="4796" Score="0" Text="Some links related to cross-posting can be found [in the corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/cross-posting/info). And there is also this thread: [Interesting (and not sufficiently answered) questions on math.SE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1967)." CreationDate="2020-12-25T18:48:30.747" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28823" PostId="4798" Score="0" Text="I can't help pointing out that even the first can potentially be ambiguous, since commas are implicitly standing for conjunction in context-depend ways—i.e., $x, y \in S$ means $x \in S \land y \in S$, but $x, y \in S, x &lt; y$ means $(x \in S \land y \in S) \land (x &lt; y)$.  For an extremely contrived example of ambiguity, one could imagine $S$ being something like a set of strings in a certain language, with $&lt;$ being the superstring relation, in which case we could have $1 = 1, 1 \in S, 1 = 1 &lt; 1$." CreationDate="2023-06-30T01:38:02.803" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24387" PostId="4803" Score="1" Text="Since the &quot;contact us&quot; link was mentioned, perhaps it worth adding that there is also an email address specifically for MO moderators: [Who are the MathOverflow moderators?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/833) (Probably it's up to them to say whether this contact would be suitable for the purposes discussed here.)" CreationDate="2021-01-06T05:58:34.857" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24363" PostId="4804" Score="3" Text="Yes, and, in addition, I think the account who posted the deleted question is also able to view the deleted post. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether an account (below 10k rep) who posted an answer to a question is able to view the thread (or at least the very answer) once the question is deleted. I'm not sure whether it's addressed in the long detailed post linked by Todd Trimble." CreationDate="2021-01-02T21:56:36.580" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24364" PostId="4804" Score="2" Text="@YCor  &#xA;Re: *I'm not sure whether it's addressed in the long detailed post linked by Todd Trimble.*&#xA;The [current revision](https://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/5222/139) of the [FAQ post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/5221) says: &quot;Additionally, you can see any deleted question you have answered as well as your answer(s) to it provided you have the direct link, but you can't see other users' answers to it, neither can you see the question's revision history.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-01-03T07:35:43.383" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24362" PostId="4805" Score="1" Text="I will add that 10k+ users can see recent deletions/undeletions [in the moderator tools](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/moderator-tools). Probably at least some users monitors those lists - and if they see there questions which should be undeleted, they vote accordingly." CreationDate="2021-01-01T12:34:10.037" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24365" PostId="4805" Score="2" Text="I don't think this is 100% correct: users with 10k+ rep can see deleted *answers*, but not deleted *questions* nor *comments*. Deleted questions and comments are very well hidden from the general public of users, and the possibility for independent review is intentionally very limited. The only place where deleted *questions* can be seen is the [recently deleted](https://mathoverflow.net/tools?tab=delete&amp;daterange=last30days) tab, where they can be seen *for a maximum of 30 days*." CreationDate="2021-01-03T11:10:59.733" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24366" PostId="4805" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak Do *any* users actually monitor that page? Frankly, I would have considered you the most likely person to do it. So if you write that even you don't do it, I think no one else does. :)" CreationDate="2021-01-03T11:12:32.487" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24368" PostId="4805" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni I cannot see what is on that page since this is only available to 10k+ users. I'd expect that some users on [math.se] *do* look at that page (judging by the fact that some users on meta said it would be better the number of the recent deletions displayed there would be larger). My impression that on [mathoverflow.se], not many users are involved in the community moderation. (Moreover, it has less 10k+ users than Mathematics.)" CreationDate="2021-01-03T11:25:46.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24369" PostId="4805" Score="2" Text="Some discussion on visibility of deleted posts (basically a follow-up to the first comment by Federico Poloni) can be [found in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/visibility-of-deleted-posts)." CreationDate="2021-01-03T12:10:50.840" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24376" PostId="4806" Score="1" Text="It would be nice if there were some wording we could count on to cut down the number of off-topic posts. By the way, I can't edit, but you might want to change *modal* to *model* throughout." CreationDate="2021-01-04T05:29:21.363" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24377" PostId="4806" Score="8" Text="@GerryMyerson As far as I can tell, the right word is *modal* rather than *model*. Modal window seems to be a common technical term for this type of windows, see [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_window) and several links given in the above question. (I have [rolled back your edit](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/posts/32973/revisions) on Mathematics Meta.)" CreationDate="2021-01-04T05:48:24.070" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24378" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="OK, sorry. News to me." CreationDate="2021-01-04T09:59:27.963" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24380" PostId="4806" Score="8" Text="We should definitely put up front and a very clear text, what MO is and isn't for. Just saying &quot;no undergraduate mathematics questions&quot; is blunt and maybe very slightly inaccurate (depends on the asker, etc) but seems to be the biggest problem that I see." CreationDate="2021-01-04T21:05:21.687" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24381" PostId="4806" Score="3" Text="A link to Math Stackexchange in this form might also make sense." CreationDate="2021-01-05T03:41:34.120" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="24382" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="@SamHopkins Concerning the link to [math.se], we should keep in mind that some MO users are against sending people there. (E.g., see the opening paragraph of this question: [Homework and migrating to math.se](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1248).) The [FAQ post here on meta](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/203/frequently-asked-questions-mathoverflow-faq/207#207) and the help-center currently link a to [list which mentions also other websites](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3760)." CreationDate="2021-01-05T08:56:11.633" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24471" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="It could be recommended explicitly not to simultaneously (i.e. $&lt;48$h?) crosspost with another site, esp. MathSE, and provide the link in case of a crosspost." CreationDate="2021-01-08T16:23:15.280" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24676" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak For example I am reluctant to sending people to math.SE because I'm not active there and I'm unfamiliar with what kind of questions are on topic there. Sending someone to another place where their questions are off-topic feels like the summit of unwelcomeness to me." CreationDate="2021-01-17T21:21:45.810" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="24677" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="@DenisNardin Still, in practice any question which gets closed on MO as being low-level sends a user to other sites. There are [two standard close reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2319/migrating-to-math-se-too-many-close-reasons), one of them explicitly mentions [math.se], the other one links to [the help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic) - and if the user follows that link, they get among other things [this link](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3760) - I have used the same one in my proposal below." CreationDate="2021-01-17T21:35:07.937" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24678" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="As a side note, I have already mentioned in a previous comment that some MO users do not like sending people to [math.se]. (And added a link to the relevant discussion and some other related stuff.)" CreationDate="2021-01-17T21:36:54.853" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25898" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="There is a newer question about this (posted by Tim Campion): [What should the modal window for first-time askers say?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5007)" CreationDate="2021-05-24T13:49:34.253" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24386" PostId="4807" Score="2" Text="The current FAQ post on meta seems rather similar to the link from Wayback Machine you provided: [How to write a good MathOverflow question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/882)" CreationDate="2021-01-06T05:52:38.617" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24397" PostId="4808" Score="0" Text="What do you mean by &quot;policymaking&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-01-06T18:42:02.037" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24398" PostId="4808" Score="6" Text="@FedericoPoloni I mean the proposing, discussion, drafting of policies." CreationDate="2021-01-06T20:54:09.967" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24404" PostId="4808" Score="4" Text="I don't really understand this post -- it seems to me that anyone who wants to discuss MathOverflow (or any other topic!) should be able to do so, privately or publicly." CreationDate="2021-01-07T19:06:08.400" UserId="6950" />
  <row Id="24405" PostId="4808" Score="13" Text="@DanielLitt The fact that you don't understand this post is exactly the reason why this post is necessary. Some of us here are worried that changes will be made in order to try to make this place more like twitter (witch hunts, stupid discussions, call-out culture, and terrible etiquette)." CreationDate="2021-01-07T19:41:14.560" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24407" PostId="4808" Score="8" Text="Well, I think that a &quot;twitterization&quot; of MO is quite unlikely, at least until we remain into the SE network and we must agree with its CoC. That said, some recent events of &quot;coordinate downvoting&quot;  organized offsite makes me think that we must stay vigilant. I am not sure that &quot;witch-hunts&quot; and &quot;call-out culture&quot; are the right terms, but surely (in my opinion, at least) intimidation against dissent and personal attacks have no place here." CreationDate="2021-01-07T19:59:57.770" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24421" PostId="4808" Score="6" Text="@HarryGindi -- is it your contention that all discussion of MathOverflow whatsoever should take place on MathOverflow Meta? That is what I don't understand." CreationDate="2021-01-07T22:01:00.613" UserId="6950" />
  <row Id="24422" PostId="4808" Score="4" Text="@DanielLitt My opinion on this or that is not the topic of this discussion.  If you want to ask me my opinions in private you know where to find me." CreationDate="2021-01-07T22:07:47.917" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24423" PostId="4808" Score="9" Text="@DanielLitt:  Surely it's reasonable to say that discussions that might affect all MO users should take place on MO Meta.  When Harry asked the question, it wasn't clear what was happening.  Now with Ravi and Todd's answers it's clear that nothing that affects all MO users would be discussed just privately.  So of course all such discussions are just fine.  Do you really have such a hard time with the context of this question?  Seems pretty straightforward to me --- I would not be happy with private discussions that result in policy changes without input here, would you?" CreationDate="2021-01-07T22:22:50.427" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24424" PostId="4808" Score="5" Text="@Lucia -- I guess I thought the idea that some secret and dictatorial cabal was going to unilaterally make policy for MO was a bit unlikely from the outset, but I indeed agree that should not happen. That said, it seems clear to me that anyone should be able to discuss whatever they want about MathOverflow in private, and I hope everyone agrees with that as well." CreationDate="2021-01-07T22:38:54.427" UserId="6950" />
  <row Id="24425" PostId="4808" Score="3" Text="@DanielLitt:   Of course anyone can discuss anything anywhere.  Even the US is still a democracy!  I'm not even sure why that would need to be said, or how anyone on MO can go about preventing that?" CreationDate="2021-01-07T22:49:52.803" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24426" PostId="4808" Score="0" Text="@Lucia -- it seems to me that several of the comments on the answers below (and the post itself) are an attempt to make the discussion in question public -- even after the context was made clear. Of course no one can force the participants to do so, but it seemed worth pointing out that the proposed norm regarding discussions seemed a bit strange. Anyway, I think we agree!" CreationDate="2021-01-07T22:56:04.007" UserId="6950" />
  <row Id="24437" PostId="4808" Score="3" Text="Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/118185/discussion-on-question-by-harry-gindi-mathoverflow-policymaking-and-transparency)." CreationDate="2021-01-08T01:43:30.187" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24388" PostId="4809" Score="2" Text="Since you're saying in the opening paragraph that you don't want to prevent *the moderators* from having discussion in private - it seems to be something different from the issue raised in question. Moderators do have channels to have discussions visible *only to moderators*. It seems that they use [the address moderators@mathoverflow.net for various discussions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/833/who-are-the-mathoverflow-moderators/834#834) - I suppose it is accessible only to the moderators. The mods have also an option to create a chatroom which is not visible to regular users...." CreationDate="2021-01-06T10:33:45.250" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24389" PostId="4809" Score="0" Text="....only to mods and CMs. (But this is not restricted specifically to the MO mods.) But from past interactions with them, it seems that the MO mods do not use chat that much." CreationDate="2021-01-06T10:34:22.707" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24390" PostId="4809" Score="3" Text="I have added the phrase &quot;with other parties&quot; to clarify my meaning." CreationDate="2021-01-06T11:15:44.223" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="24391" PostId="4809" Score="13" Text="My worry about lack of public comment in formulating policy with external parties is that the policies that arise in such fora tend to be presented as faits accomplis." CreationDate="2021-01-06T11:40:48.323" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24392" PostId="4809" Score="12" Text="Moreover, if people have a problem with the basic framework of MO, I don't see how any particular policy is going to change it.  Maybe a better idea is for such people to build a competing model in a framework more to their liking.  There simply aren't that many changes you can make to a Q&amp;A format that will make it less like Q&amp;A." CreationDate="2021-01-06T11:46:48.593" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24393" PostId="4809" Score="6" Text="+1 for your 2nd paragraph, Neil." CreationDate="2021-01-06T14:32:00.387" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24394" PostId="4809" Score="4" Text="I should also note that in my question, I didn't ask that any such forum take place necessarily on Meta.MO (although I think that is preferable), only that MO community members can at least observe and discuss (and hopefully participate directly) from the beginning of the process, even if it were hosted on an offsite platform." CreationDate="2021-01-06T15:15:40.047" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24395" PostId="4809" Score="12" Text="honestly, it is not clear to me how much freedom we have. There is already a CoC valid on the whole of the SE network, that is quite strict. Harassment and abuse are easily recognisable and we MUST act to avoid them, but &quot;un-welcomingness&quot;? Is a simple answer like &quot;This result is false for this and this&quot; unwelcoming? At any rate, we will see..." CreationDate="2021-01-06T15:23:13.507" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24399" PostId="4809" Score="8" Text="Regarding what may be the true underlying issue of gender balance, how about we ask people we know, especially female mathematicians, how they feel about participating on MO?  I'm curious.  The answers I would expect to get for why someone declines to participate, regardless of gender, would be either (a) lack of interest, or (b) worry about the potential for negative impact on professional reputation.  Of course, no one is obliged to participate here, but it would be interesting to get a feel for why people generally choose not to." CreationDate="2021-01-07T01:08:58.857" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24400" PostId="4809" Score="10" Text="I forget where I saw this, and have no memory of how well established it is, but there is apparently at least some evidence that men are more likely to stick with exercise programs that offer quantitative measures of progress whereas the opposite is true for women.  This at least mildly suggests that the reputation system might draw men in and drive women away.  It does not follow that there's anything wrong with the reputation system; any system at all is going to attract some people and repel others." CreationDate="2021-01-07T15:47:49.300" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="24433" PostId="4809" Score="2" Text="@StevenLandsburg I have also heard various men also say the rep system is off-putting. It was made for and by coder bros, StackOverflow started. Not everyone like such psychological engineering, for better or worse." CreationDate="2021-01-08T01:17:01.660" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24439" PostId="4809" Score="8" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi regarding what may be felt by some to be unwelcoming: I don't know about &quot;This result is false&quot; but I do know that &quot;this is not research level&quot; is not very pleasant to receive, especially if it follows some terse answer-in-comments. I will also say, not directed at you, that in recent years, my semi-daily look at the &quot;vote to close&quot; queue has made me glad I never tried to go into algebraic geometry" CreationDate="2021-01-08T03:08:08.783" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24441" PostId="4809" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi: I have heard similar complains about algebraic geometry. But I have to admit most algebraic geometers I met have been pleasant." CreationDate="2021-01-08T07:08:38.757" UserId="2083" />
  <row Id="24442" PostId="4809" Score="3" Text="@YemonChoi: I understand your concern, and I think that some better formula could be used. After all, &quot;research level&quot; is not even a well-defined concept. However, finding the balance between &quot;being more tolerant and inclusive&quot; and &quot;avoiding to be flooded by a mass of poor questions&quot; has always been a thorny issue and matter of discussion here." CreationDate="2021-01-08T07:20:33.360" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24443" PostId="4809" Score="2" Text="Regarding algebraic geometry, personally I do not think that the related community is less welcoming than others. This  perception might be caused  from the fact that AG is somehow over-represented here, both regarding people and regarding questions (the total number of questions in AG is three times the number of questions in DG) and this is reflected in the &quot;vote to close&quot; clue length." CreationDate="2021-01-08T07:22:01.713" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24444" PostId="4809" Score="1" Text="Those of you guys who can see deleted threads can see that this happened to me recently (a question about finite locally free maps).  It doesn't feel great, but it's better to have this kind of exchange once in a while rather than have MO go to the dogs." CreationDate="2021-01-08T09:12:36.933" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24446" PostId="4809" Score="2" Text="@HarryGindi Please add a link to your deleted question, so that it is easier to review what happened. Otherwise, 30 days from now it will be almost impossible to locate." CreationDate="2021-01-08T09:22:34.340" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24447" PostId="4809" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni https://mathoverflow.net/questions/378327/finite-locally-free-maps-factor-as-universal-homeomorphisms-and-finite-%C3%A9tale-map" CreationDate="2021-01-08T09:28:12.077" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24448" PostId="4809" Score="0" Text="It used to have a vote to close on it as 'not research level', but that got cleared when I deleted it.  Anyway, I don't take it personally.  The person who voted to close was, of course, right. Anyway, my point is that things like this happen to everyone, and that it's a good thing." CreationDate="2021-01-08T09:30:21.363" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24452" PostId="4809" Score="0" Text="@HarryGindi Thanks for the link! What happened to that question exactly? The history doesn't show anything suspicious; to an external onlooker it seems that you just deleted it after a brief comment exchange." CreationDate="2021-01-08T10:48:28.830" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24454" PostId="4809" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni There was a vote to close for it not being research-level, which is exactly what we're talking about here." CreationDate="2021-01-08T10:50:22.477" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24461" PostId="4809" Score="0" Text="@HarryGindi So the only issue about this question is that you got one close vote stating that it is not research level? Do I understand this correctly? And then you deleted it because of that?" CreationDate="2021-01-08T12:40:04.933" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24462" PostId="4809" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Yeah. It's fine. My point was that users with high scores will get treated the same as users with low scores.  This is fair." CreationDate="2021-01-08T12:48:20.970" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24491" PostId="4809" Score="4" Text="@HarryGindi now imagine you were a first-time user nervous about MO, and you got a delete vote (and somehow you found out, in my imaginary scenario). Why on earth would _you_ self-delete a question after one vote? You've got four more to go! Others might not agree with that vote etc. (&quot;treated the same&quot;? cf https://www.ywcalgary.ca/news/equity-v-s-equality-whats-difference/)" CreationDate="2021-01-08T23:19:56.773" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24492" PostId="4809" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts It's happened before.  I think I deleted the question.  If people feel strongly enough to want to close it, and it's not in an area of my expertise, I am happy to bow to the experts and give it some more thought. Part of being in a community with experts means having a little bit of humility. We all started with 1 reputation, after all." CreationDate="2021-01-08T23:23:39.940" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24505" PostId="4809" Score="5" Text="@HarryGindi I can understand a “bow to the experts” reaction, but 1 vote to close is just *noise*. With 2–3 votes it may start to be a meaningful indicator, but not 1." CreationDate="2021-01-09T10:19:22.413" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24509" PostId="4809" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Be that as it may. The point is that I'm not insulted or embarrassed, and I don't think anyone in a similar situation ought to be either." CreationDate="2021-01-09T12:58:12.360" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24510" PostId="4809" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts Also fwiw, I'm pro-equality and anti-equity.  I don't know who you think you're convincing by linking articles promoting your ideology (and I don't think it's appropriate for MO).  At any rate, the entire edifice of mathematics is not built on an equity-type system, and I am opposed to the notion that it ought to be." CreationDate="2021-01-09T12:59:35.610" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24529" PostId="4809" Score="6" Text="@HarryGindi I find it bizarre that you think that link is somehow inappropriate on David's part: he was addressing you in conversation, not making some banner post on how We Should All Do X. (If you wish to discuss further with me we should take it to a chatroom; I have been guilty upthread of using this comment thread as a place to discuss with other commenters, but on reflection if I were Neil I would be getting a bit irritated by this.)" CreationDate="2021-01-09T18:44:19.833" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24532" PostId="4809" Score="5" Text="@Harry in that case, apologies for bringing up something so contentious. I'm not from the USA, so maybe that means something different to you than it does to me. I don't think _mathematics_ is or even should be run on equity, but just perhaps how we treat each other here on MO needs to be tweaked a little depending on the parties involved. People have feelings, after all, and just saying someone shouldn't feel embarrassed doesn't make it so (this is also hugely culturally-dependent; you don't don't see many Japanese mathematicians here, for instance). But I've said enough, you have the floor." CreationDate="2021-01-09T20:46:50.613" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24401" PostId="4810" Score="7" Text="Thanks! I hope you'll report back to us periodically about what is going on with this.  I also think it ought to be on meta.MO, as I mentioned earlier.  This way we won't be confronted with an unworkable or nonsensical policy at some unknown point in the future.  I'm uncomfortable with the idea that this has to be held in secret." CreationDate="2021-01-07T16:55:25.853" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24402" PostId="4810" Score="1" Text="I hope so too. We are in a very preliminary stage, obviously." CreationDate="2021-01-07T16:58:00.510" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24428" PostId="4810" Score="5" Text="&quot;The list of people we compiled is not a matter for the MO Community to vote on, nor is it even a matter up for discussion.&quot; - Well, I consider MO as a forum that is managed by a closed group of persons, who wants the content of the community, but isn't willing to contribute the community in a significant way. I feel confirmed in my opinion by your post. Maybe some of the problems you address (&quot;What should or can we do about it, if anything? We really don't know.&quot;) could simply be overcomed by making moderator elections regularly and having some new moderators with new ideas from time to time" CreationDate="2021-01-07T23:18:51.507" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="24429" PostId="4810" Score="11" Text="@tj_ What do you mean by &quot;isn't willing to contribute the community in a significant way&quot;? As far as I am aware the moderators, who should not be identified with &quot;the managers&quot;, do quite a lot of work behind the scenes" CreationDate="2021-01-07T23:26:54.290" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24430" PostId="4810" Score="4" Text="@Yemon Choi: Take Todd's answer above. Instead of making a brainstorming within the community to collect ideas, board and moderators choose some persons in a totally non-transparent way from them they hope for ideas. So, in fact, they don't let the community contribute, but some persons, those list &quot;is not a matter for the MO Community&quot;." CreationDate="2021-01-07T23:51:17.303" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="24431" PostId="4810" Score="1" Text="@tj OK so you meant to say that they do not consult the community, not that they do not contribute to it. FWIW, I am not at all sure what &quot;the community&quot; is." CreationDate="2021-01-07T23:58:23.843" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24432" PostId="4810" Score="13" Text="@tj_ :  Your comment makes me wonder how much experience you have with decision making for large organizations.   Believe me, I have quite a bit, and if you ever want to get anything done, then the last thing you want to do is throw every question out to the community at large for &quot;brainstorming&quot; right off the bat." CreationDate="2021-01-08T00:07:30.543" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="24435" PostId="4810" Score="5" Text="Just for the record though, Todd, my original statement wasn't way off the mark, as Ravi has now confirmed in his answer (in fact, the information I had matches up exactly with Ravi's post, and I heard it through three different sources with quite a bit of precision, so I wasn't really taking shots in the dark here). I think it's not completely forthcoming to compare this to a conspiracy theory." CreationDate="2021-01-08T01:32:11.513" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24436" PostId="4810" Score="11" Text="Harry, I think it painted a very misleading picture. While I am not privy to any of the discussions Ravi has had with various people over the years, I think it's jumping to conclusions that there were groups approaching him and seeking to set policy. My guess it was more private individuals occasionally relaying concerns, or something. Maybe you could ask him. What I can say is that there have been no such groups contacting the moderators. Or at least I'm not aware of any such (and I think I'd know)." CreationDate="2021-01-08T01:41:55.343" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24481" PostId="4810" Score="7" Text="For what it's worth, if the problem is the community being unwelcoming to outsiders, asking the community how they feel about it is unlikely to lead to resolutions.  It seems to me it makes sense to look outside an insular community to figure out changes that can be made within that community.  (That is, I think we're coming at this from the perspective of insiders, but I think that the relevant perspective now is that of, as it were, outsiders.)" CreationDate="2021-01-08T20:29:18.093" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="24519" PostId="4810" Score="2" Text="I don't know whether they can be considered as &quot;outsiders&quot;, but some past contributors have ceased their participation for some definite reason, either by declaring it, or just progressively passing from frequent participation to very scarce or none. In some cases it might be related to feeling uncomfortable here for whatever reason." CreationDate="2021-01-09T14:22:01.653" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24526" PostId="4810" Score="1" Text="@YCor Several people have left in acrimony publicly on meta.MO, often in reaction to action by the administrators/moderators (iirc Mark Sapir, for instance).  I would expect this to happen more if the administration decides to be even more heavy-handed.  Adults generally don't like to be treated like children." CreationDate="2021-01-09T16:57:48.127" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24528" PostId="4810" Score="7" Text="Harry, I have an impression that MS has returned as a new pseudonymous user, and thus is once again contributing good mathematical responses. Besides, not everyone who has ceased or heavily reduced participation has done so for the reasons that Mark appeared to, and in at least one case I think they did so not because of the mods but because the mods were not clamping down on behaviour that you and others think is fine" CreationDate="2021-01-09T18:32:53.280" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24533" PostId="4810" Score="10" Text="Harry, could you *please* not kick up even more dust by painting moderators as taking unreasonable actions in other cases and anticipating things getting &quot;even worse&quot;? This is not something to be discussed in these damned comment boxes, and it's really off-topic (relative to the current thread). The whole MS saga is not to be rehashed and relitigated here." CreationDate="2021-01-09T21:29:16.767" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24535" PostId="4810" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble No worries. I have no intention of relitigating that.  I was just pointing out that there are downsides as well as upsides to moderator intervention.  Having been on the wrong side of it, I may have injected my own value judgment that it is heavy-handed. At any rate, I'm happy to replace that with 'judicious', 'vigilant', or whatever you think fits." CreationDate="2021-01-10T00:09:51.277" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24537" PostId="4810" Score="4" Text="Let's just try to keep things constructive. Your answer under Martin Sleziak's recent meta post is much better." CreationDate="2021-01-10T02:30:14.903" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24403" PostId="4811" Score="4" Text="If you know who Lucia and Francesco are, I hope you could invite both of them.  Some people find it hard to get along with me online, but I think the two of them have some very valuable perspectives that I agree with and would like to see represented at the cabal (and I think they aren't as polarizing as I am) =]." CreationDate="2021-01-07T17:41:27.917" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24406" PostId="4811" Score="17" Text="In general terms, this seems a good idea.  But I'm not entirely sure why such discussions cannot take place openly and on Meta (I can certainly see some reasons for why you might want to do things differently, so this is just a gentle alternative suggestion).   In any event, it would be good to include users outside the US in this; many MO discussions are extremely US-centric, and politics in the US is no model for anyone these days.  I think YCor, Francesco Polizzi, Yemon Choi, Asaf Karagila and I'm sure many others would be good to have participate." CreationDate="2021-01-07T19:51:59.910" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24434" PostId="4811" Score="8" Text="Aside from the other points, I also hope there can be some representation from various (mathematical) cultures. Not least because this will provide viewpoints on reception to MO that may be invisible to Anglophone, US/UK/etc users." CreationDate="2021-01-08T01:20:54.143" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24438" PostId="4811" Score="1" Text="@Lucia (and David Roberts): yes. We have this very much in mind as well, although I won't name specific names." CreationDate="2021-01-08T02:04:42.457" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24440" PostId="4811" Score="1" Text="@ToddTrimble thank you." CreationDate="2021-01-08T04:39:41.097" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25359" PostId="4811" Score="2" Text="@Ravi Would you consider relaxing the disclosure of these discussions to [Chatham House Rule](https://www.chathamhouse.org/about-us/chatham-house-rule) standards? (not asking for it - just pointing it out as one successful and well known alternative to match the requirements you set.)" CreationDate="2021-03-31T09:43:52.210" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="25365" PostId="4811" Score="0" Text="@EmilioPisanty I had not seen these standards before (I think), and I like the formalization!  I don't think that it is retroactively changing anything to say that I think these rules apply.  Also, I'm happy to answer questions as best I can.  My main constraint is probably not secrecy but time." CreationDate="2021-03-31T13:32:36.393" UserId="299" />
  <row Id="24450" PostId="4812" Score="2" Text="My impression is that the OP's proposal is to keep the reputation points of each user a private information" CreationDate="2021-01-08T09:52:12.697" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24455" PostId="4812" Score="4" Text="It's definitely not the same, but somewhat similar suggestions have been discussed on [meta.se]. For example: [Hide the rep and badge count on a user's info box on answers](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/21458) and other [questions linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/21458). (One point which might be important is whether you suggest this only for MO or for the whole Stack Exchange network.)" CreationDate="2021-01-08T11:12:56.137" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24456" PostId="4812" Score="4" Text="If you don't want criticism on your maths just write a blog or something" CreationDate="2021-01-08T11:27:15.203" UserId="113155" />
  <row Id="24457" PostId="4812" Score="4" Text="@why In my opinion, your comment misses the point. I don't see MO as a way of showing my maths off to the world, but as a way of asking and answering questions to aid in research." CreationDate="2021-01-08T11:30:41.567" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24458" PostId="4812" Score="2" Text="How are hidden points going to let users tell apart good answers from bad answers?" CreationDate="2021-01-08T11:34:08.140" UserId="113155" />
  <row Id="24459" PostId="4812" Score="4" Text="@why Are you serious? You read the answer and judge it based on its content. Actually the fact that you ask that question indicates a problem on this site-- rep-based bias." CreationDate="2021-01-08T11:38:09.200" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24463" PostId="4812" Score="14" Text="We can discuss about this. However, in my opinion, the real issue is not the rep-based bias. Once one gets used to the site, it appears clearly that reputation is just a measure of the *involvement* in MO, not of the true mathematical value. Apparently, instead, some (potential) users (mostly graduate students, or at least this is the Twitter evidence) complain about lack of empathy, coldness and patronising attitude of some contributors, especially when some questions are downvoted or closed as &quot;not research level&quot;." CreationDate="2021-01-08T13:30:07.663" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24464" PostId="4812" Score="8" Text="Disclaimer: this is some people *perception*. I am not saying that these claims are true or not, and to what extent.  But, if they are true, we should improve our attitude, whereas, if they are false, we should understand why there is this perception after all." CreationDate="2021-01-08T13:36:18.280" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24465" PostId="4812" Score="7" Text="How does one exist as a math graduate student without experiencing and learning to live with some amount of condescension?  Expertise is a real thing." CreationDate="2021-01-08T13:58:05.613" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24466" PostId="4812" Score="1" Text="I guess this really depends on the personality. Some people just don't care, others can be seriously hurt by a condescending remark. For some reason that probably depends on the educational system, I noted that people from USA are most susceptible than europeans on this respect. Of course, this may be just my impression." CreationDate="2021-01-08T14:02:07.260" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24467" PostId="4812" Score="4" Text="I've seen people complain about answers that sounded too sophisticated wrt the question asked.  However, in those cases, it turned out that the person complaining didn't actually understand the question. I saw a somewhat senior colleague harassed for giving a good but sophisticated answer to a mathoverflow question by people on twitter.  If you walk around thinking people are condescending  to you, everything will appear that way." CreationDate="2021-01-08T14:15:31.977" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24468" PostId="4812" Score="3" Text="Well, probably there is also some kind of &quot;bubble effect&quot;: if you usually  interact just with people  agreeing with you, you will be convinced that you are absolutely right." CreationDate="2021-01-08T14:37:15.303" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24469" PostId="4812" Score="5" Text="Goals 1, 3 would never have occurred to me, and obviously, if they are indeed real goals, then the reputation system isn't working at all. I always thought it was in place almost exclusively for Goal 4: It's a toy that might make the site more fun and addictive (similar perhaps to a rating on an internet chess site)." CreationDate="2021-01-08T16:04:08.597" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="24470" PostId="4812" Score="7" Text="About Proposal 2: I am strongly against making a policy of judging over the user's resumé. Besides the technical and ethical difficulties to do so, I think it would increase an existing bias (a big name sounds much more intimidating than a big rep). Being both a frequent contributor and a frequent editor here, I take the rep into account much more when editing than contributing. On the other hand I'm certainly more intimidated in close-voting or downvoting a post by an identifiable user than one by an anonymous user." CreationDate="2021-01-08T16:07:59.903" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24472" PostId="4812" Score="15" Text="My point about Proposal 2 is what I said before: reputation is a measure of *involvement* to MO, and it is *involvement* that grants privileges. Personally, I'm against granting privileges to &quot;big names&quot; that nevertheless do not actively contribute   to the community." CreationDate="2021-01-08T16:28:15.257" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24473" PostId="4812" Score="1" Text="@ChristianRemling I’m really surprised that anyone doesn’t find Goal 1 important." CreationDate="2021-01-08T17:23:29.130" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24475" PostId="4812" Score="3" Text="It is a bit unclear to me whether you want to hide also *scores* of the posts or only *reputation* of users. (As &quot;goal 1&quot; you mention rating system for questions/answers - I'd guess for that score of an answer is more a bit more visible data point than reputation of the poster.)" CreationDate="2021-01-08T18:05:39.033" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24476" PostId="4812" Score="0" Text="@MonroeEskew: It might be important as a goal, but the site is clearly not working that way. In fact, I suspect there is often negative correlation between the quality of an answer and the number of upvotes it attracts." CreationDate="2021-01-08T18:36:43.133" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="24483" PostId="4812" Score="0" Text="&quot;Once one gets used to the site,&quot;, yes, but many people don't even get this far." CreationDate="2021-01-08T22:22:56.317" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24484" PostId="4812" Score="3" Text="I think hiding people's personal reputation points is a good idea, leaving the votes on the answers visible to some extent. This would range from actual net upvotes visible, to only giving a rough idea. For instance, anything over 25 votes, to pluck a figure from the air, could be marked as &quot;&gt;25&quot;. The most extreme would be to hide the **answer** votes, but still be able to sort them by upvote score. Questions are a different matter, and to me it makes less sense to know that one question by Terry Tao on a sexy topic has got 100 upvotes, and another insightful question by new user has only 2." CreationDate="2021-01-08T22:29:12.220" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24485" PostId="4812" Score="4" Text="These ideas are just thinking out loud, and it's not clear the extent to which they can actually be implemented (if I put my SE Inc-emulating hat on, absolutely none), but still worth discussing. Ideally we have input from people who actually have issue with the system. Else we are just a bunch of armchair sociologists." CreationDate="2021-01-08T22:30:53.993" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24487" PostId="4812" Score="0" Text="@Harry Gindi &quot;I saw a somewhat senior colleague harassed for giving a good but sophisticated answer&quot;. Where can I learn more about this?" CreationDate="2021-01-08T22:53:04.163" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="24490" PostId="4812" Score="0" Text="@Joël Alright I found it and e-mailed it to you.  You can be the judge." CreationDate="2021-01-08T23:17:43.553" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24496" PostId="4812" Score="2" Text="I fail to see what Proposal 2 is intended to achieve. Granting reputation for external credentials only makes sense for Goal 3, which is itself of dubious value. It is completely nonsensical and detrimental with respect to Goal 2: people are given reputation-based administrative privileges not because they are domain experts, but because they have experience with using the site, and are familiar with its less common features. As for Goal 1, this generates reputation rather than use preexisting reputation to judge the value of anything, hence here Proposal 2 is irrelevant." CreationDate="2021-01-09T07:08:15.787" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24497" PostId="4812" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek It seems to me that some of the basic privileges, like the ability to vote and the ability to comment, are designed to keep out spam and vandals, rather than involve serious dedication to using the site.  That’s what proposal 2 is about— treating credentialed people a bit better than you’d treat an anonymous person on the internet." CreationDate="2021-01-09T08:03:57.007" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24498" PostId="4812" Score="3" Text="I don’t think outsiders should be given the ability to downvote, as this minor weapon already requires some familiarity with customs of the site as to what is downvote-worthy. Upvoting requires only 15 reputation, thus literally any contribution to the site will allow it; I don’t see how that could possibly be a problem. Commenting may be more of a problem. It forces new users that have something substantial to say to post it as an answer rather than a comment, which is a *good* thing as they may be unaware they are supposed to post it as an aswer. However, it often makes users lose the ..." CreationDate="2021-01-09T09:58:53.513" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24501" PostId="4812" Score="4" Text="... ability to interact on their own posts, which is indeed bad. Though this problem is not limited to experts. But let us say for the sake of argument that users with outside credentials should be given the ability to comment. To implement this, we would need a complicated system where someone (moderators?) would need to verify some user-supplied data confirming their real-life identity, and the fact that they have a degree from a reputable academic institution. I’m sorry, but the complexity of such a setup is quite out of proportion to what it can achieve, not to mention that this will ..." CreationDate="2021-01-09T10:03:15.180" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24502" PostId="4812" Score="3" Text="... not be any less of a hurdle to the users in question compared to obtaining the currently needed 50 reputation points. If the inability to comment is deemed a real problem, the only sensible solution would be to give this privilege to *everyone*." CreationDate="2021-01-09T10:04:53.487" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24507" PostId="4812" Score="0" Text="@emil Ok you make a good argument." CreationDate="2021-01-09T12:33:06.320" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24672" PostId="4812" Score="0" Text="Maybe I am wrong -- but wouldn't it actually solve most of the problem if one would just remove the misleading / controversial term 'reputation', and refer to the points just as 'points' -- and leave everything else as it is?" CreationDate="2021-01-17T15:40:12.007" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="24449" PostId="4813" Score="2" Text="Sure. Then I suggest we have a counter-#1-session as well.  I'll invite the board and I hope they'll come and listen to my concerns as well.  I'll make sure to bring together a chorus of people who share my beliefs and other friends of mine, and we can meet in a great big echo chamber (some kind of disused nuclear missile silo, maybe =] )." CreationDate="2021-01-08T09:39:05.660" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24451" PostId="4813" Score="7" Text="@HarryGindi You can discuss with your friends, come up with a proposal, and suggest it on a Meta post. That has always been true." CreationDate="2021-01-08T10:45:00.013" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24453" PostId="4813" Score="3" Text="I want to do it in secret with the board present, because that seems like a great idea now.  That way we can swear (a frank and productive conversation?), because we're talking in private.  Do you not see how it's different when it's a group of well-connected insiders doing it (and how silly my secret cabal meeting in an underground bunker sounds)?" CreationDate="2021-01-08T10:49:24.270" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24474" PostId="4813" Score="4" Text="Well, users have the freedom to leave but no to take away their possessions with them (questions, answers, comments), are they? Since these &quot;possessions&quot; are the entire presence of the user on MO, the &quot;freedom to leave&quot; is, indeed an empty phrase." CreationDate="2021-01-08T17:50:52.390" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="24477" PostId="4813" Score="3" Text="@Joël What do you mean by &quot;taking away&quot;, since they are a non-rival good? If you wish to permanently remove your contributions, you can't, legally: you licensed them to the world with a [CC license](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons), and now SE, you, I and everyone else can use them. This was always in the fine print. If you mean downloading and exporting your data to use them elsewhere and create your own private MO, [you can](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19579/where-are-the-stack-exchange-data-dumps), as long as you respect the same license." CreationDate="2021-01-08T19:10:52.547" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24478" PostId="4813" Score="3" Text="I mean &quot;remove your contributions&quot; of course. Saying that you are &quot;free to live&quot; is a sick joke, honestly. I know that removing one's contribution is illegal, meaning that preventing a user to leave is ultimately based on the force of a gang of armed men, as Engels calls the State.You can be proud of yourself." CreationDate="2021-01-08T19:21:20.550" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="24479" PostId="4813" Score="5" Text="Hi Federico:  While I'm sure you're technically correct in your last para, I think that it is a bit counter to the ethos of MO.  For example, the moderator page explicitly states that &quot;moderation starts with the community itself.&quot;  I agree with Joël that telling people that they can leave if they don't like it is not great.  Having said that,  I have really no concerns that the moderators would do anything without consultation with the community at large, and we don't really have to worry about your last statement." CreationDate="2021-01-08T19:35:32.740" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24493" PostId="4813" Score="6" Text="@Joël You have unrealistic expectations here. Defining &quot;leave = delete all your previous posts&quot; sounds like twisting the meaning of that term. &quot;Leave = stop making new posts&quot; seems more natural, if you compare it to real-life uses of that word. In addition, note that you can [delete your account](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5999/) and [disassociate](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/96732) all posts from it, if you really wish to burn bridges." CreationDate="2021-01-08T23:44:26.697" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24494" PostId="4813" Score="3" Text="I also interpreted the expression the way Federico explains. Given that you can't unlearn the things you read on MO it's not a big deal that you can't take back some of the posts you contributed. The meaning of &quot;free to leave&quot; is that you have no commitment to continuing this give-and-take relationship. This is not true for the board/moderators who are a bit more committed one way or another." CreationDate="2021-01-09T00:13:59.467" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="24559" PostId="4813" Score="6" Text="It's 2021, so yes, we should ban discussions in the coffee room." CreationDate="2021-01-11T09:34:29.413" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24480" PostId="4814" Score="4" Text="Obviously, I am not again small technical changes, but big change (analogous to change of constitution, in the political realm) are to be avoided. Each one (like joining the stack exchange network) has been felt as a treason by many, who stopped contributing. In my field, 10 years ago, there were dozens of regular contributors. Now there is just one, David Loeffler." CreationDate="2021-01-08T19:46:23.587" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="24482" PostId="4814" Score="7" Text="&quot;meta&quot; is an idempotent operator." CreationDate="2021-01-08T22:11:37.923" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24486" PostId="4814" Score="4" Text="&quot; there is no difficulty in creating a new site.&quot; [citation needed]" CreationDate="2021-01-08T22:31:39.177" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24488" PostId="4814" Score="3" Text="Technically creating the site, and opening it on the internet, requires a lot of work, but is not, nowadays, difficult. I suppose you mean that attracting people to it to make it live is difficult. In that case, if the site has some feature that distinguish it clearly from MO, I am sure that a letter published in Notices of the AMS and a few other similar publications, promoting the new site and explaining its interest, will attract a lot of users. Speaking for myself, I would certainly (if I am allowed to) go on the site out curiosity, and make it my new home if I like it." CreationDate="2021-01-08T22:57:32.057" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="24675" PostId="4814" Score="1" Text="@Joël I'm willing to bet that any kind of change to the mechanics of the site, no matter how hard technically, is easier than rebuilding the community. Of course one might want to jump ship for unrelated reasons (e.g. for disagreements with SE), but that's a whole other kettle of fish." CreationDate="2021-01-17T21:19:58.943" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="24495" PostId="4815" Score="1" Text="&quot;Any research&quot; and &quot;research-level mathematics&quot; is conflating two different meanings of the word, I feel." CreationDate="2021-01-09T07:06:01.433" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24658" PostId="4815" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts Since I have learned from Catija (a community manager) that the text in the three default bullet points cannot be changed, I have tried to change the wording in the part about &quot;research-level mathematics&quot; to avoid this problem. (I am referring [to this message](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/56757085#56757085) and hereis a link to [the whole conversation](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/customizing-the-modal-window)." CreationDate="2021-01-15T14:29:08.710" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24662" PostId="4815" Score="0" Text="Better! I would say 'at graduate level', not 'on', and if we could lose the 'Here are some additional tips:' that would be good. It seems superfluous to me. Then: 'try searching the site'" CreationDate="2021-01-16T01:22:12.737" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25691" PostId="4815" Score="0" Text="@TheHigherGeometer In the [current discussion](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5007/what-should-the-modal-window-for-first-time-askers-say/) on finalizing the wording here, I have included a [proposal](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5014/2362) to essentially undo the change you suggested here. It's still up in the air which way we will go, I think, but it might be nice to hear from you over there on the matter." CreationDate="2021-04-24T21:30:26.760" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25692" PostId="4815" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak See my [comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5014/2362) to TheHigherGeometer; you also put effort into this change." CreationDate="2021-04-24T21:31:15.157" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25696" PostId="4815" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion I saw that proposal, and the discussion about the meaning of 'graduate'. I haven't seen the conclusion yet, but I agree that the particular term &quot;graduate&quot; is only good for those that know what that word means in the US context. I wouldn't have used it in my own university system, where we would have said something like 'higher research degree/HDR-level' or, less accurately, PhD-level" CreationDate="2021-04-24T23:49:16.410" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24499" PostId="4816" Score="2" Text="This reads like a very loaded question &quot;reputation sucks, am I right?&quot;. Could you please edit it so that you are not actively trying to suggest an answer, if the one in your last line really is your question?" CreationDate="2021-01-09T09:59:06.033" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24500" PostId="4816" Score="4" Text="How can you read this from the question? I may be wrong, but its formulation seems to me completely neutral regarding reputation. And what answer am I suggesting?" CreationDate="2021-01-09T09:59:33.777" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24503" PostId="4816" Score="2" Text="First of all, you start off with a long premise instead of just asking the question Then, you suggest two answers that are very broad goals and one that is way more narrow, in way that suggests a contrast between them, and you suggest that ranking them in order of importance is the key to answer. Anyhow, we can see what other people think, based on which comments they upvote." CreationDate="2021-01-09T10:05:51.543" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24504" PostId="4816" Score="3" Text="The premise is just to say that if you want to solve a (perceived?) problem, the first thing &#xA; to do is to understand where you really want to go. &quot;Narrow&quot; is a matter of opinion, I do not think that entertainment is necessarily &quot;narrow&quot;, after all many good mathematicians like mathematical puzzles and mathematical competitions, and IMO are considered an important event in our community. The three goals are just the ones that come to my mind, I am not really talking about &quot;ranking them&quot;. I will delete &quot;order of importance&quot;, leaving only &quot;importance&quot; to be more clear about this." CreationDate="2021-01-09T10:12:41.343" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24508" PostId="4816" Score="2" Text="@Federico Maybe you could be more constructive and say what you think the goals are. It is typical to write some initial thoughts and hypotheses in a question." CreationDate="2021-01-09T12:37:27.763" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24517" PostId="4816" Score="6" Text="I'm not sure the word &quot;addictive&quot; is that positive, but I'd say it should be viewed as entertaining (and I view it as entertaining, otherwise I wouldn't spend time here)." CreationDate="2021-01-09T14:10:34.400" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24518" PostId="4816" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, I will replace &quot;addictive&quot; by &quot;entertaining&quot;." CreationDate="2021-01-09T14:17:27.810" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24520" PostId="4816" Score="1" Text="I am downvoting the quote marks and parenthetical comments, which make the options too vague to be meaningful. If you mean that the site is for professional mathematicians or for research-level mathematics, you can say so." CreationDate="2021-01-09T15:11:33.533" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="24522" PostId="4816" Score="5" Text="FWIW I am in favour of the parenthetical comments, because we are dealing with ill-defined concepts and some qualification is necessary" CreationDate="2021-01-09T15:29:53.527" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24527" PostId="4816" Score="3" Text="I put the quote mark and the parenthetical remarks because we had many sensible  discussions in the past about what meaning we should do to the terms &quot;professional mathematician&quot; and &quot;research level question&quot;, see for example https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1654/are-professional-physicists-computer-scientists-engineers-economists-not-a?rq=1 regarding the first one and https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1024/what-does-research-level-mathematics-mean regarding the second one." CreationDate="2021-01-09T18:01:05.040" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24530" PostId="4816" Score="18" Text="What's missing in the three options for me is: *learning*. Posing questions to learn about some math concept (not because your research is stuck). Answering carefully to help others learn. Reading questions and answers to broaden your understanding of aspects of mathematics." CreationDate="2021-01-09T18:54:14.620" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="24531" PostId="4816" Score="1" Text="Right, I was intending &quot;research&quot; in broad sense, including &quot;studying new concepts&quot;, not only &quot;writing a paper&quot;. I will make an edit." CreationDate="2021-01-09T18:58:30.300" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24538" PostId="4816" Score="3" Text="I suppose that long-time MO users might remember some older discussions with related topics either here or on tea. I was able to find this one: [What MO is for and what is *your* aim in participation?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1311) (December 2013)" CreationDate="2021-01-10T05:37:23.400" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24539" PostId="4816" Score="3" Text="In case somebody wants to have a look at similar discussions on [math.meta.se], there are, for example: [Dissonance of purpose: What kind of site should MU be?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/191) (July 2010), [What is the purpose of math.se; to learn to provide nice answers or just to get them?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1574) (January 2011) or [What is the purpose of this site?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21893) (November 2015)." CreationDate="2021-01-10T05:37:27.040" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24548" PostId="4816" Score="4" Text="@MartinSleziak: Wow that &quot;dissonance&quot; link is quite a flashback to how incredibly toxic Harry was over there until he finally got a huge ban." CreationDate="2021-01-10T20:26:07.500" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24621" PostId="4816" Score="3" Text="@NoahSnyder: I would be grateful if you could delete your last comment. It is ad hominem, inflammatory and unrelated to this discussion." CreationDate="2021-01-12T07:16:32.640" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24624" PostId="4816" Score="2" Text="I agree most strongly with 1 above. I think one reason why MathOverflow works so well is that many questions that arise in maths research are hard for most, but somewhat easy for at least one person. Finding this 'one person' is a problem brilliantly solved by MO. As a corollary, we should be tolerant of people that ask apparently basic questions, when they truly arise in research. (In this spirit, I have sometimes asked such questions, and had helpful replies, and I'm often been pleasantly surprised how much reputation I've got from answers that to me are quite basic.)" CreationDate="2021-01-12T15:57:04.050" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="24663" PostId="4816" Score="3" Text="&quot;Score in a chess tournament&quot; doesn't feel like a very close fit to &#xA;MO reputation (and/or badges).  Maybe something like bridge master points -- &#xA;which unlike chess ratings are in part a measure of how much one plays &#xA;in official tournaments?  An extreme example:&#xA;the late John Tate &lt;https://mathoverflow.net/users/9848/john-tate&gt;&#xA;answered precisely one question here, which was enough to earn 1536 points &#xA;($2^9 3$ as it happens) and half of his 14 badges.&#xA;There are 1000+ MO members with more reputation points, but very few are in Tate's mathematical league." CreationDate="2021-01-16T04:19:41.220" UserId="14830" />
  <row Id="24664" PostId="4816" Score="0" Text="@NoamD.Elkies: you are right, it is a a very rough comparison." CreationDate="2021-01-16T08:03:07.347" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24513" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="Goal 1 is kinda there in service of goal 2 though." CreationDate="2021-01-09T13:41:07.757" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24514" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="true, but I guess that goal 2 serves many purposes, and also caters to an audience of users who are not &quot;professional mathematicians&quot;; for some users goal 3 would be the motivation to participate --- we don't want to constrain users in how they make use of the platform, do we?" CreationDate="2021-01-09T13:48:03.150" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="24515" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="No, of course not.  I was just saying that people who use the site for goal 1 (probably the majority of people who are asking questions) still help the accomplishment of goal 2.  That's all =]." CreationDate="2021-01-09T13:50:22.070" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24521" PostId="4817" Score="7" Text="For what it's worth my own personal use of MathOverflow, both as questioner and as answerer, has always been driven by #1 on the list, which is probably why I am not active on other SE sites" CreationDate="2021-01-09T15:28:03.237" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24534" PostId="4817" Score="4" Text="Despite the prominence of that quote, I don't think it describes MathOverflow well. That paragraph begins by saying &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians&quot;, which I find more descriptive and closer to #1." CreationDate="2021-01-09T23:36:58.107" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="24541" PostId="4819" Score="5" Text="Humankind. ( ◠‿◠ )" CreationDate="2021-01-10T08:44:46.470" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24550" PostId="4819" Score="7" Text="I feel MO is less fun that it used to be, but it seems like it's for a bunch of different reasons, not all to do with MO." CreationDate="2021-01-10T23:31:21.603" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24551" PostId="4819" Score="5" Text="@DavidRoberts, may be it's us, I noticed many other things that are less fun than when I was younger." CreationDate="2021-01-11T00:31:45.657" UserId="2083" />
  <row Id="24555" PostId="4819" Score="5" Text="I think MO started as a game, and our behaviour here was funny and light-hearted. Now we are considering it very seriously, as shown by all the discussions we had in these days. Looking at some of the comments, I'm afraid that the amusement is over. Perhaps this is just as life goes." CreationDate="2021-01-11T06:45:24.770" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24557" PostId="4819" Score="5" Text="Let me provide a silly example. In the (very) old days, I remember there was a question like &quot;Solve this integral! I need it now&quot;, and I commented something like &quot;Hoover my living room&quot;. Of course it was a joke (&quot;bring your humour with you&quot;), just to make evident how annoying an imperative request can be. Nowadays, I would never make such a joke: someone could take a screenshot, post it on Twitter or Facebook and I would spend two days explaining that it was not my intention to use my privileges of male white professor to make a student cleaning my house.  Nowadays, I just close the question." CreationDate="2021-01-11T08:39:20.810" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24635" PostId="4819" Score="3" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi Likewise, I have a vague memory of responding to someone's rather vague question of how something should be done by saying &quot;with great vengeance and furious anger&quot;, which is the kind of silly geekery I indulge in among friends or in &quot;casual online mode&quot; but is not the response I would give to, say, a student in one of my classes" CreationDate="2021-01-13T19:52:38.973" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24657" PostId="4819" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts I think we may be experiencing something similar to what (I imagine) facebook went through in the early days; initially it was a fun little thing between friends, both useful and amusing, and now it's a platform powerful enough to help stage coup attempts and radicalize nations. MO isn't quite there yet, but as its prominence grows so does a need for more serious introspection and potential correction. As spiderman put it, 'with great power comes great responsibility'." CreationDate="2021-01-15T11:01:32.933" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24556" PostId="4820" Score="2" Text="I guess my worry is that scenario 2 is only better assuming that there is indeed a suitably informed and diverse group of participants.  The only midly reassuring participant I'm aware of right now is Todd, and my understanding was that from the outset the &quot;informal committee&quot;, or whatever this is, would be dominated by a certain group of Ravi's students and friends (and ergo a bit of an echo chamber).  That is to say, while Ravi's friends and students are surely well-informed, I don't know if they are the most diverse group." CreationDate="2021-01-11T07:19:38.950" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24640" PostId="4820" Score="4" Text="_my understanding was that from the outset the &quot;informal committee&quot;...would be dominated by a certain group of Ravi's students and friends_ &lt;--- [citation needed]" CreationDate="2021-01-14T03:30:23.897" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24674" PostId="4820" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Send me an email.  Some of this information is confidential." CreationDate="2021-01-17T18:37:12.773" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24546" PostId="4821" Score="0" Text="Here is a similar older post: [Invisible posts](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2346)." CreationDate="2021-01-10T15:47:09.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24553" PostId="4821" Score="0" Text="I had an idea for a workaround: You could ask people to vote on an answer rather than the question itself." CreationDate="2021-01-11T03:39:11.047" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24544" PostId="4822" Score="3" Text="Thanks. This is a strange policy for the &quot;feature-request&quot;, which offten eventually het dozens of both negative and positive votes." CreationDate="2021-01-10T14:11:01.427" UserId="9317" />
  <row Id="24545" PostId="4822" Score="1" Text="Yes, there are various proposals on Meta Stack Exchange to change this in certain circumstances. It looks like the company thinks the -8 vs. -4 distinction is already enough." CreationDate="2021-01-10T14:13:01.883" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="24552" PostId="4823" Score="1" Text="Some people will find fault in any comment that doesn't amount to complete acclaim. When criticism is offered by experienced users, it's usually because the new users ignored the various resources on how to ask questions or was unable to replicate the tone and structure of posts that meet the community's standards.  As a technical solution, this is fine, but as a way to make the site more welcoming, this seems like it won't change anything" CreationDate="2021-01-11T03:37:11.753" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24554" PostId="4823" Score="0" Text="I will add to some of the points in the [current revision](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4823/1) of your answer: 0. Here is a feature request posted by you: [Encouraging new users to provide a name or a nickname](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/491) 2. It's already implemented and can be switched on - if the site has large enough database of questions: [Should MathOverflow request suggested tags feature?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3652) (Of course, one should keep in mind that this is limited by the quality of the training dataset, and many MO questions are tagged incorrectly.)" CreationDate="2021-01-11T06:22:18.343" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24567" PostId="4823" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, thanks for adding the context. I will be the first to admit that this list is subjective and probably not complete if one were try to imagine a perfect 'Clippy' for MO. I'm glad to hear that at least 2. is partially implemented. I would side with turning it on, if that's still under discussion." CreationDate="2021-01-11T12:51:04.537" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="24572" PostId="4823" Score="0" Text="@IgorKhavkine Well, if that's the case, why not posting an answer to the thread where I suggested it. (Or maybe posting a new feature request and closing my old suggestion as a duplicate.) It is unlikely that the feature request from 2018 will get much new response. (Back then I got no comments, no answer, a few users voted on that suggestion.)" CreationDate="2021-01-11T13:03:14.063" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24615" PostId="4823" Score="2" Text="You have mentioned that such suggestions could be added automatically and they would  be different depending on what the question contains. One user on [math.se] was running a bot for such purpose, you can find examples of those comments [in his chatrooms](https://chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=autocomment&amp;room=30985). There are also some related discussions on [math.meta.se]: [Suggestions of tags and title edits by user NormalHuman - How to do it?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21796) and [Question about Normal Human](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21995)." CreationDate="2021-01-12T05:00:16.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24560" PostId="4824" Score="13" Text="We have all grown to despise the word &quot;recently&quot; recently. Ugh. What a year!" CreationDate="2021-01-11T09:37:39.613" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24565" PostId="4824" Score="6" Text="Some related older posts: [Should we exercise a bit more tolerance towards newcomers?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3518) and [“Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming.” — are we?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3713)" CreationDate="2021-01-11T10:56:52.187" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24566" PostId="4824" Score="32" Text="Read the initial “welcome” as “welcome to the Stackexchange network”. The commenter did not turn the user *away*, but to a *more suitable* place on SE. I don’t see anything wrong with it." CreationDate="2021-01-11T11:09:06.197" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24589" PostId="4824" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak For what it's worth, Federico Poloni's conclusion (the highest-rated answer) in Carlo's thread seems to be the same as the one here." CreationDate="2021-01-11T15:08:42.733" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24591" PostId="4824" Score="9" Text="Well, that's &quot;*You* are welcome. *Your question* is not really welcome because...&quot;." CreationDate="2021-01-11T17:54:30.673" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24592" PostId="4824" Score="9" Text="Anyway I see little point in these posts that are visibly exercises copied without efforts by undergrad students and this is not the issue. There are also first posts that don't sound like exercises and quite likely are written by people related to research in some way, but are poorly received (because poorly written, showing little effort, because the question is not judged as research-level, because the post is not really a question, is speculative, open-ended etc.), which results in down/closing votes, or possibly discouraging comments." CreationDate="2021-01-11T17:55:33.227" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24593" PostId="4824" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek Aren't these functionally equivalent for a new user?" CreationDate="2021-01-11T20:07:18.333" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24594" PostId="4824" Score="2" Text="Like, isn't this still the same as saying &quot;Nothing personal, but your question stinks.  Get outta here.&quot; aside from issues of politeness?" CreationDate="2021-01-11T20:56:34.537" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24595" PostId="4824" Score="12" Text="No, not at all. It is a constructive suggestion what to do with the question." CreationDate="2021-01-11T21:44:59.543" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24597" PostId="4824" Score="18" Text="Welcome! Your application to our PhD program might be more suitable for another university." CreationDate="2021-01-11T23:13:50.207" UserId="11145" />
  <row Id="24598" PostId="4824" Score="0" Text="@MonroeEskew Thank you Monroe! But our princess is in another castle! =]" CreationDate="2021-01-12T00:12:41.567" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24605" PostId="4824" Score="23" Text="People who ask questions here that are not on-topic might be asking questions that are on-topic in a few years. If they feel MO is generally welcoming, we have a higher chance of seeing them when they are ready, compared to if we give them a curt brush-off. If someone asking an off-topic question feels helped by MO, even if to know where to ask that's more appropriate, then that is still a win for the site. They will tell their friends they met friendly people here, rather than complain about how rude we all are, amplifying our direct actions either way." CreationDate="2021-01-12T02:20:48.207" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24607" PostId="4824" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts   In my experience, there's no completely nice way to say 'scram' that will have people walking away talking about how nice their rejection was.  I think the best you can hope for is that they don't walk away complaining how rude you are." CreationDate="2021-01-12T02:26:21.673" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24610" PostId="4824" Score="13" Text="I've had people explicitly thank me when I've showed them the MO door, so it is possible. Your experience may be different, of course, and I leave you to reflect on why." CreationDate="2021-01-12T03:04:23.717" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24611" PostId="4824" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts I don't leave comments about why I voted to close, and I haven't in years, because people took what I said the wrong way." CreationDate="2021-01-12T03:10:10.257" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24612" PostId="4824" Score="15" Text="Also, how you &quot;show someone the door&quot; doesn't only affect them, it affects everyone who is reading the site and wondering how they will be treated." CreationDate="2021-01-12T03:44:19.070" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24613" PostId="4824" Score="2" Text="@DavidESpeyer I agree we should always be respectful when we show people the door.  I just don't know that I would call this being 'welcoming'; I'd call it 'polite' (maybe this is a semantic distinction though). I make the distinction because I think that there is no tension between being polite and being somewhat exclusive, but I think there is serious tension between being welcoming and exclusive (they're kind of opposites, at least as I understand them)." CreationDate="2021-01-12T03:48:00.657" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24614" PostId="4824" Score="0" Text="Saying to someone &quot;welcome, but this is the wrong site&quot; is kinda like saying &quot;hello, it seems you have stumbled on the wrong site&quot;. It isn't, to my eye, admitting that the specific question is the sort of thing we want to encourage. But that may be my idiolect. (semi off-topic, I gather &quot;excuse me&quot; means something with different connotations to USA people, compared to eg UK or Australians)" CreationDate="2021-01-12T04:45:58.817" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24616" PostId="4824" Score="2" Text="@DavidESpeyer's point is critical, many graduate students *think* their questions are going to be rejected based on seeing other questions closed.  Perhaps counterintuitively it's often the more thoughtful and careful students who are especially worried about being rejected, while the less thoughtful ones just dive in with poorly thought out questions." CreationDate="2021-01-12T05:09:41.303" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24617" PostId="4824" Score="1" Text="But do we have *concrete examples* of questions rejected in a rude way (recently, I mean, not ten years ago)? How many of them we have? I usually see only very polite explanations and invitations to post elsewhere, but of course I do not read all the questions." CreationDate="2021-01-12T06:20:29.947" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24618" PostId="4824" Score="1" Text="At any rate, we could try to figure out a standard comment to use in these circumstances, and to suggest its use to the members of the community (with a pinned post or something similar)." CreationDate="2021-01-12T06:30:04.870" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24622" PostId="4824" Score="6" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi There is already one thread which has some comment templates - although for another situation - [questions more appropriate for MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971).&#xA;There could be similar discussions for other suitable comments - or MO could to the same thing as they did on Mathematics, where various other sites, where there is a single thread where the comment templates are posted in answers: [cstheory](https://cstheory.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1381),&#xA;[TeX - Latex](https://tex.meta.stackexchange.com/q/430), [Mathematics](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4925)." CreationDate="2021-01-12T09:30:20.287" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24632" PostId="4824" Score="10" Text="Rudeness is culturally dependent, so it may not be visible to everyone. &quot;With the greatest respect&quot; can be an insult." CreationDate="2021-01-13T00:38:49.350" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24633" PostId="4824" Score="2" Text="Usually one assumes good faith. We cannot expect that the average user of MO knows all the nuances of an expression X in all the countries on Earth, and we are not yet equipped with mind-reading devices." CreationDate="2021-01-13T05:48:53.370" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24636" PostId="4824" Score="0" Text="Though if one is explicitly told a certain behaviour comes across as rude, one no longer needs a mind-reading device or to rely on cultural nuance. Helpful, isn't it?" CreationDate="2021-01-13T23:09:44.553" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24638" PostId="4824" Score="3" Text="@HarryGindi: speaking as someone who you occasionally seem to listen to, this kind of rhetorical &quot;gotcha&quot; aimed at David is not helpful. (I haven't voted up or down on your question.)" CreationDate="2021-01-13T23:48:38.870" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24639" PostId="4824" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi When you're right you're right." CreationDate="2021-01-14T00:05:04.953" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24641" PostId="4824" Score="3" Text="@DavidRoberts: sorry, I do not really get your point. I suspect that &gt;90% of the users here had no idea that &quot;With the greatest respect&quot; can be an insult. Of course, if someone tells me &quot;Please do not use this expression with me, in my country it is offensive&quot; I will not use it anymore with them. What is your proposal on this respect? Write a list of all apparently innocent expressions in common English that *might* be offensive somewhere in the world and forbid their usage here?" CreationDate="2021-01-14T05:43:26.053" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24642" PostId="4824" Score="2" Text="It was merely an extreme example, and one from a well-known meme about transatlantic differences between British and American English. I don't know what percentage of people here have lived in Britain, but I'm willing to bet it's higher than some other major countries. What some Slavic people consider neutral is considered by some others as very blunt, for example (generalising here). The point is that this is an international forum, and by saying something isn't rude won't be universal." CreationDate="2021-01-14T05:57:52.783" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24643" PostId="4824" Score="0" Text="And when there is lots of anecdotal evidence from various people that starts piling up, one might wonder if it's not an isolated and obscure case, that's all. I don't have the solution." CreationDate="2021-01-14T05:58:39.803" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24644" PostId="4824" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts: ok, thanks for the explanation.  By any chance do you have a link to the meme? I am curious." CreationDate="2021-01-14T06:14:34.797" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24645" PostId="4824" Score="5" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: I found a lot on Google.  Here's the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46846467  As a Brit, I would tend to agree with the thrust of these light-hearted articles.  I think, when online, I have learnt to read things in &quot;international English&quot;, as it were.  Though I still find reading &quot;the so-called ...&quot; in a Maths paper hard: I always hear this as sarcasm, which I think is a uniquely British-English meaning." CreationDate="2021-01-14T09:49:25.563" UserId="406" />
  <row Id="24646" PostId="4824" Score="0" Text="@MatthewDaws: very interesting article, thank you. Ehm, when I read your comment, I was just writing &quot;the so-called&quot; in the introduction of a paper of mine :-)" CreationDate="2021-01-14T10:33:30.070" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24647" PostId="4824" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts I think the reason why people from the US are confused by 'with greatest respect' is because the question isn't really well-structured (no context, just trailing off …).  There is however a related construction in American English, &quot;with _all due_ respect&quot;, which usually precedes a statement that doesn't show much respect at all.  I suspect these two constructions are the same, and the 'greatest' version is really just unfamiliar (and it reads like a valediction in a letter)." CreationDate="2021-01-14T15:11:15.960" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24649" PostId="4824" Score="2" Text="As far as I understand, both these constructions (&quot;with all due respect&quot;, &quot;with the greatest respect&quot; and similar) may have both a polite and a sarcastic meaning. So, only the context can tell the truth. For instance, if a student starts their sentence in this way before disagreeing with their professor, it is probably respect; vice-versa..." CreationDate="2021-01-14T15:56:20.503" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24650" PostId="4824" Score="2" Text="Well, at least the usage as polite disagreement is registered in the Cambridge dictionary: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/with-all-due-respect" CreationDate="2021-01-14T16:07:24.060" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24563" PostId="4825" Score="0" Text="Good answer. But perhaps this is somehow included in scope 1, right?" CreationDate="2021-01-11T09:54:01.443" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24564" PostId="4825" Score="6" Text="Not really. To me, a help desk evokes the following situation. I am stuck on something I am not very familiar with, so I ask for help on that topic. But there is much more that one discusses in a tea room: new ideas, puzzles, concepts from a completely different subfield..." CreationDate="2021-01-11T09:57:32.283" UserId="828" />
  <row Id="24568" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="What version of iOS do you have (on both devices)?" CreationDate="2021-01-11T12:52:23.340" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="24569" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel I'm using 14.3 for both" CreationDate="2021-01-11T12:55:48.750" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="24570" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="Right. That's the newest version (it's known that the site doesn't work on very old iOS versions, hence I asked)." CreationDate="2021-01-11T12:58:41.043" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="24571" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel, I can see comments on the tex and MSE sites.  Just not on mathoverflow and mathoverflow-meta" CreationDate="2021-01-11T12:59:53.597" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="24576" PostId="4826" Score="2" Text="Are you using: (a) mobile view; (b) full site in responsive design; (c) full site without responsive design; also important is the phone vertical or horizontal (and rotated view, of course)?" CreationDate="2021-01-11T13:33:15.673" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24577" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, I tried both vertical and horizontal but it didn't make a difference.  I suspect it is mobile view but I never had this issue before and as I said it seems fine on the other stackexchange sites" CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:13:25.617" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="24578" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, how do I turn off mobile view" CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:16:30.597" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="24579" PostId="4826" Score="2" Text="Scroll to the bottom of this page, you should see &quot;full site&quot;, upon switching you will also see there &quot;disable/enable responsiveness&quot;." CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:21:42.127" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24580" PostId="4826" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila, I tried full site and disabled responsiveness and still don't see the comments" CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:34:12.593" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="24581" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, I also don't see the link for add comment" CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:34:49.897" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="24582" PostId="4826" Score="1" Text="That is indeed very odd. I don't really know iPhone, but can you use a different browser/disable ad blocking features/try incognito mode?" CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:47:24.920" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24583" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, if I log out and view the site then I see comments on questions other than my own.  I am not sure how to do incognito mode.  I'll try another browser" CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:51:32.923" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="24584" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="Normally it's in the option, &quot;private browsing&quot; or when you create a new tab." CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:53:07.973" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24585" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila,  It seems I can see the comments from Chrome on my iphone so I must have done something in safari" CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:53:38.450" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="24586" PostId="4826" Score="1" Text="My general suggestion is to ditch Apple altogether. But it might not be a practical one at this point. But it certainly means that the problem is somewhere in your settings. Since I don't use iPhone, I can't quite help you further... :\" CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:54:42.183" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24588" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila,  I guess I'll stick to chrome for MO from now on" CreationDate="2021-01-11T14:58:14.407" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="24590" PostId="4826" Score="2" Text="Works fine in my Safari on iPhone.  (Asaf if you want me to give up Apple convince any other phone manufacturer to make a hand-sized phone!  The iPhone mini is literally the only thing in its market!)" CreationDate="2021-01-11T17:38:41.747" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24775" PostId="4826" Score="0" Text="I have the same issue on my iPhone. I use Safari as my browser for almost everything, and use Edge (or the StackOverflow app) for MathOverflow so I can see the comments there. I also find that I can’t see comments on Marginal Revolution in Safari, though I rarely want to." CreationDate="2021-01-22T08:24:31.123" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="24596" PostId="4827" Score="1" Text="As long as the machine suggestions don't make the same mistakes in confusing mathematical meanings of words with non-technical meanings, as some new users do." CreationDate="2021-01-11T23:10:58.253" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24625" PostId="4827" Score="1" Text="These are suggestions, no? we can hope most users to ignore phoney suggestions." CreationDate="2021-01-12T18:40:06.580" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24634" PostId="4827" Score="0" Text="Well, when searching by tag, getting irrelevant results is better if it is rare." CreationDate="2021-01-13T08:05:36.730" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24602" PostId="4828" Score="1" Text="I do rather like the first 80% of this answer.  But I don't know that there is even a solution to the last paragraph apart from something that amounts to a political purge of the userbase here.  The complaint about a lack of unanimous agreement, for example, is about the inner thoughts and feelings of members here.  It's kind of totalitarian." CreationDate="2021-01-12T02:14:48.937" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24603" PostId="4828" Score="1" Text="@HarryGindi My impression was that some of these examples arose as a result of us being too confident that we could handle talking about any topic. The solution is not to find out who is right, so we can talk more about the topic, but rather find a meeting point where we can continue discussion while maintaining civility, and then direct everything else to blogs and social media." CreationDate="2021-01-12T02:15:13.277" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="24604" PostId="4828" Score="0" Text="If there is a debate about MO policy that ends up intersecting with some hot-button issue (I'm thinking about the confederate flag case), I can't imagine a better place than meta.MO for people to have a discussion about how it should be dealt with.  But anyway, thank you.  At the very least, the final paragraph is informative to me (whether or not I think it's a reasonable complaint, it is at least something concrete)." CreationDate="2021-01-12T02:20:12.550" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24606" PostId="4828" Score="17" Text="@HarryGindi I want to add that I'm afraid I disagree with your interpretation of totalitarian. I was born and raised in a country that used to be totalitarian and I think I would recognize it. Putting ground rules in your workplace (eg. Don't graffiti the walls when you come to my office hours) is a healthy thing to do." CreationDate="2021-01-12T02:24:53.960" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="24608" PostId="4828" Score="1" Text="I think the hallmark of totalitarianism is not just trying to control people's behavior but also their thoughts.  It's in that sense that I used the term." CreationDate="2021-01-12T02:27:43.027" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24619" PostId="4828" Score="4" Text="I agree with 1. and 3. I am critical about 2., because voting to close a question is somehow delicate and requires IMO some experience and involvement with the site, so I would not grant this privilege to absolute newcomers to MO. &quot;Having only 6-7 names appearing in every closed question can be intimidating.&quot;: this might be true, but in MO there are *much more* than 6-7 people with the privilege of closing questions. If there are only 6-7 people willing to use it, I do not see how extending the privilege could really help." CreationDate="2021-01-12T06:38:26.753" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24620" PostId="4828" Score="3" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi I didn't mean to extend privileges to newcomers. Perhaps I should have qualified it as &quot;new 3k+&quot; users or some such thing. As for your second point, I was imagining that if some of us who have been around longer took a step back when it came to closing votes then others might step up to the task and it might 1) bring a fresh perspective 2) look better on the outside. (I am referring mostly to the situation of a borderline question. When it comes to something that is obviously inappropriate I don't think it matters much who casts the votes.)" CreationDate="2021-01-12T06:53:10.890" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="26695" PostId="4828" Score="0" Text="What would you like to see on the subject of hate speech? I recall one occasion where a username contained hate speech, but I flagged their post and the user was promptly suspended. Would you want all profile pages to contain a checkbox for the statement “I oppose hate speech”, so we can see whether those are unanimously checked?" CreationDate="2021-12-29T04:29:28.823" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="24661" PostId="4829" Score="3" Text="Can the graduate students ease into MO by answering questions anonymously?" CreationDate="2021-01-15T19:29:40.737" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="24673" PostId="4829" Score="2" Text="I agree with this, but I think those in group #1 might be hard to recruit to the site, while those in group #2 should be gettable." CreationDate="2021-01-17T17:25:30.607" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="24689" PostId="4829" Score="1" Text="@MattF. This may depend on the field, but in some areas, I have the feeling it's really hard to answer a question (before someone else does it). Not that it's a bad thing, but I doubt it helps attracting graduate students." CreationDate="2021-01-19T10:01:46.307" UserId="18974" />
  <row Id="24702" PostId="4829" Score="2" Text="@SamHopkins: As regular users, yes, but the reputation of the site with mathematicians who don’t use it regularly does still matter." CreationDate="2021-01-19T13:58:53.363" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24749" PostId="4829" Score="5" Text="@NoahSnyder I agree that the reputation of the site with mathematicians who don't use it is important, but I think we should exercise extreme caution with regard to certain mathematicians who use twitter to (disingenuously) kick up a fuss about everything. We shouldn't put ourselves at the mercy of a vocal minority who are, frankly, not making criticism in good faith.  I have in mind a particular group of people who, to me, come off as a bunch of online bullies.  I think criticisms from these people ought to be disregarded wholesale." CreationDate="2021-01-20T18:34:05.267" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24760" PostId="4829" Score="2" Text="It is true that on the social media we often witness the tyranny of the vocal minority. One should be careful and check that the data are not biased. For instance: how many mathematician after all have a positive or neutral opinion about MO, but stay silent?" CreationDate="2021-01-21T06:23:14.777" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24772" PostId="4829" Score="0" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi I think there is some truth to the last sentence, but then one has to weigh up whether the positive/neutral opinion about MO is &quot;the good outweighs the bad, but we would like it to be better in certain directions&quot; or &quot;I like it as it is, and would be uncomfortable with changes&quot;. (Taking the arithmetic mean rather than a Boolean/Hamming distance)" CreationDate="2021-01-21T22:01:07.673" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24774" PostId="4829" Score="5" Text="@YemonChoi: I agree. I in fact suspect that many mathematicians are just happy to find the answers they are looking for by browsing MO, but are not interested to become an active member. On the other hand, I also suspect that many of those who complain do this on the base of a single experience, and never tried to be seriously involved with the site and its mechanism. It is a bit like politics: there are few activists, while the majority of people just wait and see what happens. And many of the people complaining about politics have no idea what active politics really looks like." CreationDate="2021-01-22T08:04:31.213" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24788" PostId="4829" Score="3" Text="I find it surprising/unreasonable that advanced grad students find this site too scary. They have far more knowledge of math than I do (I'm a physicist), and I have never found it scary. Possibly the young 'uns have more fragile egos than my generation, or possibly people come down harder on them because they know they're grad students." CreationDate="2021-01-25T01:28:31.153" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="24789" PostId="4829" Score="3" Text="&quot;Possibly the young 'uns have more fragile egos than my generation&quot;. This is something that could be true: on the long run, over-protecting people make them less able to handle criticism. But criticism (also harsh one) is part of life. Regarding your second point, I cannot say that this does not happen here (I do not read all the questions) but I *never* witnessed this in 10 years of MO." CreationDate="2021-01-25T06:17:26.980" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24791" PostId="4829" Score="1" Text="On the other hand, reactions like the ones in this question: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/382003/need-advice-or-assistance-for-son-who-is-in-prison-his-interest-is-scattering-t  make me proud of being part of this community." CreationDate="2021-01-25T06:59:54.340" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24793" PostId="4829" Score="4" Text="@BenCrowell I doubt this has anything to do with differences in generations. An advanced grad student is likely going to be on the job market in the next few years. As such, they are more likely to fear (rationally or irrationally) looking stupid in front of people who may be judging their applications. They are also conditioned (for the moment) to care unduely about the opinions of faculty (e.g. their advisor.) The amount of math they know is irrelevant." CreationDate="2021-01-26T17:24:04.520" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="24794" PostId="4829" Score="0" Text="@dhy People that do not want to show their identity can register as anonymous users." CreationDate="2021-01-26T18:05:45.877" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24795" PostId="4829" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi But this is more or less explicitly discouraged by MO when signing up. (Also, this doesn't apply to my sentence starting &quot;They are also conditioned...&quot;)" CreationDate="2021-01-26T18:24:40.397" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="24798" PostId="4829" Score="1" Text="@dhy You can also use a pseudonym. Many high-reputation users opted for this solution, too (abx, GH from MO, Lucia, fedja, misha, sasha, etc). Regarding &quot;caring about the opinion of faculty&quot;, sooner or later one should try to become intellectually independent. I do not see any way to take action here, since it is not something directly depending on MO." CreationDate="2021-01-26T18:29:47.050" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24799" PostId="4829" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi I am not disagreeing that this is a possible solution. I am just giving some reasons why some grad students might hesitate to join this website." CreationDate="2021-01-26T18:34:09.803" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="24802" PostId="4829" Score="0" Text="@dhy just to say FWIW that your observations/hypotheses make a lot of sense to me - in terms of explaining the actions of grad students who feel discouraged, regardless of whether established users like me feel that we would be welcoming to such potential users" CreationDate="2021-01-27T02:39:34.133" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24822" PostId="4829" Score="1" Text="@dhy In fact, aside from the fact that I happen to know who you are through a common friend, you're also pseudonymous." CreationDate="2021-01-28T14:44:08.303" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24852" PostId="4829" Score="1" Text="@HarryGindi I'm not quite sure what's the intended point of your parenthetical aside in the previous comment -- and of course I am sure &quot;dhy&quot; is well aware that they are pseudonymous here, so I'm not sure what your comment is getting at or hopes to achieve" CreationDate="2021-01-29T18:14:01.363" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24853" PostId="4829" Score="0" Text="Dhy isn't really pseudonymous though. Those are his initials (and his identity isn't a secret).  This was an aside adding to Francesco's post not yours." CreationDate="2021-01-29T18:16:50.197" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24653" PostId="4831" Score="1" Text="Somewhat similar observation was made also in some older posts: applied math being underrepresented, biased a more towards pure math: [What areas/aspects of mathematics are underrepresented on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2418) and [arXiv vs MathOverflow - popularity of disciplines](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2363)." CreationDate="2021-01-15T05:59:35.510" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24654" PostId="4831" Score="0" Text="Where is the question you are talking about in the last part of your answer? Did you delete it?" CreationDate="2021-01-15T06:12:16.197" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24655" PostId="4831" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi my guess is this one: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/379474/how-can-a-divergent-nested-radical-be-regularized-analogously-to-cesaro-sum-reg (the other question asked by Buzz and still visible has no answer, currently)" CreationDate="2021-01-15T07:18:03.713" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24656" PostId="4831" Score="8" Text="@DavidRoberts: If it is this one, it has two upvotes, an answer with three upvotes and there are also a constructive comment. I honestly fail to see how this reaction can be considered &quot;disheartening&quot;, unless the OP's definition of &quot;disheartening&quot; is &quot;failing to provide the answer I was hoping for&quot;." CreationDate="2021-01-15T07:21:34.227" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24659" PostId="4831" Score="7" Text="Also, Buzz didn't accept the answer or follow up to clarify why it didn't answer his question.  I think as with most things, the more you put into MO, the more you'll get out of it." CreationDate="2021-01-15T18:01:35.947" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24665" PostId="4831" Score="4" Text="@Buzz, Thank you for sharing your experience. I think it is valuable to enrich the current discussion with concrete examples, like yours. Obviously, your perception of the feedback from MO (say on the regularization question) would be different from that of an experience and somewhat successful user (like those commenting here, myself included). Perhaps it is worth nailing down that difference. Any open ended question may attract answers and comments that don't go in the direction intended by the OP. But the same feedback may be perceived differently. ..." CreationDate="2021-01-16T23:02:51.173" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="24666" PostId="4831" Score="5" Text="For instance, how did your initial perception (from that question) weigh these two extremes? (-) Your question is not &quot;interesting,&quot; here's an answer to an &quot;interesting&quot; question you should have asked. (+) I don't know the answer to your question, but it's interesting enough for me give some feedback; here's my best guess at some information that might be relevant. What could have made your initial perception more positive? My own weighing, as an experienced MO user, would be 10%(-) 90%(+) or better. Others should feel free to share their perception, to get at least some anecdotal data." CreationDate="2021-01-16T23:10:29.870" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="24667" PostId="4831" Score="6" Text="I would add (by repeated personal experience) that obtaining a good answer is sometimes the result of a dialectic process. You obtain a first answer, and maybe it is not what you were really looking for; then you make a comment, the answerer replies and there is the possibility that, after a few steps, you obtain what you need. In the case under consideration there is an answer with 5 upvotes, that the OP considers nevertheless &quot;shallow and missing the point of the question&quot; (without providing details). Perhaps making a comment under the answer could have led to a more satisfactory outcome." CreationDate="2021-01-17T08:31:21.280" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24668" PostId="4833" Score="5" Text="Re: *I ask myself if down votes serve a purpose*. One thing which is influenced by the negative scores is [auto-delete (roomba)](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba). This topic was discussed a bit in some threads on this meta: [Decluttering MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2781) and [Should we try to re-start manual deletions or is the situation fine anyway?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2232)" CreationDate="2021-01-17T12:47:04.463" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24669" PostId="4833" Score="2" Text="Now I noticed that you have also mentioned the relation between negative score (downvotes) and roomba in an older answer here on meta: [Remove down-voting or show down-votes in the separate counter](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4100#4101)." CreationDate="2021-01-17T13:50:54.067" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24670" PostId="4833" Score="0" Text="what about downvoting answers?" CreationDate="2021-01-17T14:58:48.083" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24671" PostId="4833" Score="3" Text="downvoting answers: I don't think that is a main factor in the welcoming/unwelcoming issue, since new users are typically on the asking side; and yes, down votes have a purpose in housekeeping, but as I follow this discussion on Meta I am inclined to think that their negative impact on new users outweighs the housekeeping benefit." CreationDate="2021-01-17T15:08:48.407" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="24679" PostId="4833" Score="3" Text="I'll just mention the fact that a negative balance of $\le -3$ allows to user with enough rep ($\ge 10K$?) to vote deletion as soon as the question is closed while in general it requires a few days after closure. This is particularly useful for questions that are highly off-topic such as high school exercises." CreationDate="2021-01-18T00:13:46.997" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24680" PostId="4833" Score="2" Text="For context, let me copy what appear when the mouse is on the downvote button: *&quot;This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful.&quot;* For an answer: *&quot;This answer is not useful.&quot;*" CreationDate="2021-01-18T00:18:12.973" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24681" PostId="4833" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak have you got any data confirming Carlo's claim that new users are &quot;typically&quot; on the asking side? Esp. counting questions that aren't closed. Are new users starting with an answers really that negligible? I actually asked my first question in MO 3 years after giving my first answer (Sep 2014 vs April 2011) and had more than 100 answers then. Of course this is extreme, but I wanted some familiarity with the site before asking questions." CreationDate="2021-01-18T00:26:28.700" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24682" PostId="4833" Score="0" Text="@YCor I have posted something in the [MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2021/1/18) - although I am not sure how close that is the data you're looking for." CreationDate="2021-01-18T05:39:14.140" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24686" PostId="4833" Score="0" Text="I agree that 0 upvotes with many views is as good an indicator as anyone needs that a question might not be the most interesting thing in the world, and with the close vote/flag system in place I also agree we don't really need them for very off topic questions. I know that all of stack exchange isn't going to change, but I also know that MO has a special contract the details of which I routinely forget; we might be able to remove the downvote option on questions if the community decides it wants to, I'd be interested to hear from someone well-informed on this topic." CreationDate="2021-01-19T09:15:14.660" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24687" PostId="4833" Score="1" Text="@AlecRhea That kind of flexibility was lost when we moved to MO 2.0.  What remains of our special deal with SE is that we can take it or leave it, and if we leave it, they'll give us our data.  Also they don't run ads here." CreationDate="2021-01-19T09:19:44.150" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24688" PostId="4833" Score="0" Text="@HarryGindi Ah, cest la vie, thanks for letting me know." CreationDate="2021-01-19T09:36:24.390" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24683" PostId="4834" Score="0" Text="BTW you have linked [to your answer](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/358606/on-which-regions-can-greens-theorem-not-be-applied/358608#358608). Maybe you wanted to link to [the question](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/358606/on-which-regions-can-greens-theorem-not-be-applied) - which is [On which regions can Green's theorem not be applied?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/358606) (Or maybe you wanted to include both links somewhere in your answer - but link to the question seems to be a natural guess in the place where you write &quot;the question&quot;.)" CreationDate="2021-01-18T06:01:20.523" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24684" PostId="4834" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Oops, good catch - it's been fixed.  It was easier to search for my answer than the question, and I forgot to change the link." CreationDate="2021-01-18T15:46:22.733" UserId="4362" />
  <row Id="24685" PostId="4834" Score="4" Text="Also sometimes if there's an obvious oversight, it can preferable to edit than commenting. The problem with commenting is that it can generate an irrelevant discussion (such as: &quot;but this counterexample is not interesting, of course I'm assuming this&quot;, etc). Of course the editor's role is to judge correctly that this is the right correction. For thorough changes, it's let obvious: in the case raised by Paul, Tim Chow's changed were done after the question was closed. But the problem is that it's not always that clear what is meant behind a poorly phrased question." CreationDate="2021-01-18T18:43:18.033" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24708" PostId="4835" Score="20" Text="I'm a bit skeptical about the premise of this question. Just based on my own observations, I would guess that by far most down votes are cast on questions clearly outside of the scope of MO (e.g. undergraduate homework exercises from textbooks), and these actions have little to do with whether MO is perceived as welcoming to the kind of mathematicians we would want to engage with the site but are currently off-put by its culture." CreationDate="2021-01-19T16:31:51.043" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="24713" PostId="4835" Score="10" Text="I more or less agree. My impression is that MO is perceived as &quot;un-welcoming&quot; mainly by some people whose experience is mostly on social media like Facebook, Reddit or Twitter, where the platform permits the creation of human relationships. I am afraid that MO  platform is really too limited for this, and that there is no obvious way to wipe out the cultural divide." CreationDate="2021-01-19T18:37:01.683" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24714" PostId="4835" Score="3" Text="@SamHopkins I’m not sure what the ‘premise of my question is’ besides a request for data; if you mean that you disagree with my instincts, that is fine. You seem to work in fields that are widely respected by mathematicians at large, combinatorics/representation theory/algebraic geometry. As someone who posts primarily category theory stuff (lately), I’ve had downvotes almost instantly on questions that ended up more than 5 positive once seen by a larger crowd. I actually inquired about this on meta, and was told by a mod that there are suspected serial downvoters for certain topics." CreationDate="2021-01-19T20:27:59.570" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24715" PostId="4835" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi My two favorite undergraduate professors, an algebraist and analyst by trade, both expressed a similar sentiment to me that MO was unwelcoming and I should be careful coming here; the algebraist was younger, but the analyst was in his 60's. I hope they don't fit your description of &quot;Facebook, Reddit or Twitter&quot; people that are trying to use MO wrong." CreationDate="2021-01-19T20:30:04.633" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24716" PostId="4835" Score="3" Text="@AlecRhea: Sorry, I didn't mean to attribute any viewpoints to you that you did not express. What I meant was I'm not sure numbers concerning downvotes overall tell us a lot, because of how these votes are mostly used to do basic quality control. But I do believe that aggressive downvoting against questions at the e.g. graduate level posed in good faith is potentially an important contributing factor to the perceived unwelcoming nature of MO and that's worth discussing. I now realize that comments under the answers also discussed whether the overall downvote numbers are telling us much." CreationDate="2021-01-19T20:33:05.717" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="24717" PostId="4835" Score="1" Text="@SamHopkins No worries, just a miscommunication. Yes, I agree that finding out which metrics to look at is tricky business and we might not be able to glean any hard answers, but I'm just trying to find some objective metric of this perceived unfriendliness as a starting point for a larger discussion that is hopefully more solid than 'a lot of people have been saying lately'." CreationDate="2021-01-19T20:35:36.050" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24718" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@AlecRhea: I do not know. In my experience, I certainly saw people complain about the &quot;un-friedliness&quot; or the &quot;lack of empathy&quot; on MO. I have the impression that this is not really related (only) to the downvotes, but rather to the structure of the QA-platform, much less suitable than others to generate human warmth. As a matter of fact, I have also in mind people complaining  after their question was well-received, because they did not like the tone of the answer (that was polite, but cold, so it could appear as dismissive)." CreationDate="2021-01-19T21:23:43.953" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24719" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="From one of your comments it seems that you might be also interested in differences in down-voting between various tags.&#xA;I'd guess that various data related to this could be obtained from SEDE, too. &#xA;I will at least point out that there is this question on [meta.se]: &#xA;[Which tag has the highest incidence of downvoting?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/308163)&#xA;Glorfindel posted there an answer with a query which looks at various tag and the percentage of questions which have at least one downvote:&#xA;https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/828585/downvoted-questions-per-tag" CreationDate="2021-01-19T21:47:01.720" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24720" PostId="4835" Score="2" Text="&quot; the platform permits the creation of human relationships. I am afraid that MO platform is really too limited for this&quot; &lt;-- lol, what? Also, the comment generally displays a sample bias." CreationDate="2021-01-19T23:54:09.437" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24721" PostId="4835" Score="3" Text="Here's something I have observed more recently: it used to be that an obviously off-topic, but mathematically-sensible question (say an undergrad question), would get a single downvote. This I believe has the effect of keeping it off the front page, and there seemed to be an unspoken &quot;gentleman's agreement&quot; that it wouldn't be downvoted past a score of -1. These days I am seeing such questions more often get a score of -2 and -3. It's only a small thing, but it shows a shift in user base who (understandably) never got the non-existent memo." CreationDate="2021-01-20T03:30:57.647" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24722" PostId="4835" Score="2" Text="Alec, maybe the problem with MO is that people are spreading nasty untrue rumours about us and telling undergrads not to come here.  I wouldn't put it past some people that they'd do it out of pure malice. ='[" CreationDate="2021-01-20T05:00:55.240" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24724" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@HarryGindi I never said MO had a problem, only that there was perceived unwelcomeness; wether that is a problem is I think still up for debate, although I agree (if this is what you're saying) that I'm leaning towards this perception being a potential problem moving into the future. Who are these malice filled people? If you don't want to make allegations publicly I understand, but I'm still curious to hear your take -- my email (that I post publicly) is alecrhea at yahoo if you'd like to message me privately." CreationDate="2021-01-20T06:08:17.437" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24725" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts I like the idea of an unspoken agreement along those lines, consider me in." CreationDate="2021-01-20T06:10:19.173" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24726" PostId="4835" Score="3" Text="@DavidRoberts: It seems to me evident that, since all the discussions in MO outside Mathematics are  in general considered off-topic, it is very difficult to create human relationships in the usual sense. To have these, one should share some details of his private life, that is common on Facebook and Twitter, but not at all on MO.  I do not see any bias in this, it is just a plain observation. With this  I am not saying that MO is better or worse than Twitter, I am just saying that it is *structurally different*." CreationDate="2021-01-20T06:20:49.267" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24727" PostId="4835" Score="2" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi I may have a broader definition of what counts as a human relationship, then. I don't disagree that the types of professional relationships one can build on MO are different to ones that revolve around pictures of family and so on." CreationDate="2021-01-20T06:58:02.027" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24728" PostId="4835" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi Of course, there is also [chat associated with MO](https://chat.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&amp;sort=active&amp;host=mathoverflow.net). In chat, many things which would be off-topic on the Q&amp;A site are perfectly fine, so if somebody needs a place to socialize, chat would be a reasonable choice. (If I look at [Homotopy Theory](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/9417/homotopy-theory) - which is currently the most active chatroom associated with MO - I'd guess that at least the most active users probably know each other a bit by now, having posted thousands of messages there." CreationDate="2021-01-20T07:06:08.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24729" PostId="4835" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak: About this I agree, but the chat is not the first environment that a newcomer on MO sees. Surely, the very active users can have a more complete  experience on the site." CreationDate="2021-01-20T07:31:02.700" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24692" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="Thank you Glorfindel; I agree that anonymity in voting is important, but I don’t think (say) hour-by-hour timestamps on votes would be enough to reconstruct anything personal, and they could still be edifying to see how many posts receive ‘first hour’ downvotes here versus other sites. I think this may be an important metric in understanding our perceived unfriendliness." CreationDate="2021-01-19T11:34:19.947" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24693" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="Running a few quick queries, it appears that one downvote every 5-4 posts is fairly standard, while MO is rocking double that at almost one downvote every other post. Is there any way to view all sites in one window?" CreationDate="2021-01-19T11:41:33.350" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24696" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="Ah, I just saw that you attempted this and it timed out, my bad for not reading and thank you for trying." CreationDate="2021-01-19T12:01:26.853" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24699" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="It turns out I made a mistake in the query and now managed to create a correct one, see the updated answer." CreationDate="2021-01-19T12:18:49.130" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="24701" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="I will add that the table Votes still contains the date, but not the exact time. But since we cannot look at them on a *finer* scale than days, this is unlikely to give some interesting data, since the most votes come on the first few days: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1236796/votes-on-which-day-after-posting#graph https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1236798/percentage-of-votes-depending-on-day-after-posting" CreationDate="2021-01-19T13:35:18.260" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24703" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="An unfortunate problem with average (=mean) downvote counts is that it's hard to know what these mean.  With about 0.5 downvotes a post, this _could_ mean that roughly 1/2 of all posts have one downvote.  I know that I sample questions in a very biased way (I tend only to read question with certain tags which I follow) but this seems way off the mark: it's very rare for me to see any question with a downvote." CreationDate="2021-01-19T15:24:43.950" UserId="406" />
  <row Id="24704" PostId="4836" Score="3" Text="An alternative explanantion is of course that a small number of posts have a large number of close votes.  We do get spam (blantant advertising or otherwise nonsense) and some &quot;please do my Calculus 101 homework for me&quot; questions, which I _guess_ are downvoted, closed and deleted in short order.  Would these affect the average?  From the perspective of being &quot;unwelcoming&quot;, I am not in the least concerned about this class of question." CreationDate="2021-01-19T15:26:10.437" UserId="406" />
  <row Id="24705" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="Finally, I suppose the problem is that we don't have the data analysis tools to really be able to say any more...?" CreationDate="2021-01-19T15:27:06.850" UserId="406" />
  <row Id="24706" PostId="4836" Score="2" Text="Despite all this questionability, it is very interesting. Seems like in terms of (downvotes per post)/(upvotes per post), the least friendly are sites like Islam, Android, SO.Spanish, Health, SE.Meta, Christianity, Biblical Hermeneutics, ... while the most friendly ones are ... SE.Korean, Mathematica, Latin, Emacs, and TeX" CreationDate="2021-01-19T15:37:28.730" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24707" PostId="4836" Score="1" Text="@MatthewDaws Perhaps queries looking only at *posts which were not deleted* would - at least to some extent - solve the problem that this includes some posts which definitely deserved to be downvoted (such as spam and off-topic posts). I have added one such query into my answer - probably there are many other meaningful ways how to restrict the questions from which we're taken the average." CreationDate="2021-01-19T16:24:13.287" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24785" PostId="4836" Score="1" Text="In addition to downvotes *per post*, downvotes *per view* could be interesting, and MO have rather high view numbers (at least compared to Cross Violated, which I frequent more ...)" CreationDate="2021-01-24T12:42:01.177" UserId="6494" />
  <row Id="24901" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="I agree that downvotes/post is of little relevance to compare with other sites, and should be divided with the number of views by people who have the right to vote (dividing by the number of views would be a first good approximation)." CreationDate="2021-01-31T17:33:34.130" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24902" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="The problem is that the number of views is only known for *questions* and it includes anonymous users and users without voting privileges." CreationDate="2021-01-31T17:37:04.900" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="24694" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="Thank you, but the ratio of upvotes to total votes might be misleading due to the existence of many posts with extremely inflated amounts of upvotes, because their content is wonderful or written by an authority figure in a field. I have seen many such questions/answers on MO; would it be possible to get a list like this one, but for the metric listed in Glorfindel's post?" CreationDate="2021-01-19T11:49:30.980" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24695" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="Let me rephrase; I am sure it is possible, but I am too illiterate in the syntax for this search engine to manifest it.  Could you please query this oracle my question, or point me in the direction of a page explaining the syntax for how to ask it questions?" CreationDate="2021-01-19T11:53:23.437" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24697" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="Ah, I just saw that Glorfindel tried to get all of them in one window and it timed out." CreationDate="2021-01-19T12:01:49.617" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24698" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="The edited list is awesome, but how do I tell which site corresponds to which entry on the list?" CreationDate="2021-01-19T12:13:20.770" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24700" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="@AlecRhea Sorry about that - the updated query also shows names. In any case, Glorfindel [mentioned in chat](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/1223/2021/1/19) that he now has a query with exact numbers which does not time out. I suppose he'll update the answer soon." CreationDate="2021-01-19T12:19:16.447" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24709" PostId="4837" Score="1" Text="I don’t think that average number of votes per user is a sensible measure, as this will vary by several orders of magnitude among users. Many users likely vote at a more-or-less constant rate, hence the absolute numbers will be proportional to the age of their account. The number of votes divided by age of the user account probably isn’t a useful thing to average either, as some users participate on the site much more than others, and those will also vote more. I’d suggest to look at the number of votes divided by reputation of the user." CreationDate="2021-01-19T16:42:27.970" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24710" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek If I understand correctly, what you suggest is taking this number for each user: downvotes/reputation. And then taking the average? Here is a query which [shows these numbers for som users](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1359915/upvotes-per-reputation-point-by-used) and here is a [multi-site query with averages](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1359913/average-of-downvotes-upvotes-divided-by-reputation). (Although I am not sure how the numbers otained from this can be interpreted.)" CreationDate="2021-01-19T16:58:33.270" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24711" PostId="4837" Score="2" Text="That’s what I meant, thank you. The idea was to get the average number of downvotes per “unit of participation”, using reputation as a proxy for a measure of active participation on the site. (Perhaps the lower bound should be larger than 125, to avoid users whose main source of reputation was the association bonus.) But looking at the results, I’m not sure whether the numbers are really comparable across the network." CreationDate="2021-01-19T17:14:54.167" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24712" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek You probably know this - but anyway, I will mention that you can change the parameter for the bound on reputation in the box above the query or simply by changing the number in the url: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1359913/average-of-downvotes-upvotes-divided-by-reputation?min=1000 (Then you need to click on Run Query - if you're the first to run it with that value, the results aren't cached.)" CreationDate="2021-01-19T17:19:41.873" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24761" PostId="4837" Score="2" Text="So mathoverflow is the first wrt upvotes per rep among $\geqslant1000$ reputation users! And they dare complain we are unfriendly, the BASTARDS :E" CreationDate="2021-01-21T07:23:21.727" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24762" PostId="4837" Score="2" Text="But on the serious side - probably to measure it properly one has to restrict to only votes for newbie questions/answers - say, from the users that have registered shortly before the post and have at least one still open question (to exclude the homework guys)." CreationDate="2021-01-21T07:41:44.790" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="24846" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I agree with the joke comment how dare they." CreationDate="2021-01-29T13:33:59.000" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24886" PostId="4837" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I have tried to include at least some data concerning votes on posts by relatively new users." CreationDate="2021-01-30T20:50:42.397" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24758" PostId="4839" Score="0" Text="I will add a link to the discussion whether such posts should be posted on MO: [“A year in moderation” post on MathOverflow?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4059) (I remember talking about this with Shog9 and some other [meta.se] users [back in 2018](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/1292/2018-a-year-in-moderation?tab=stars).)" CreationDate="2021-01-21T01:26:32.583" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24733" PostId="4841" Score="0" Text="Just to clarify, you're talking about questions which are [on topic](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic) on MO? (Not something like: &quot;This question is not suitable here, but the solution should be simple - set $f'(x)=0$ and solve for $x$.&quot;)" CreationDate="2021-01-20T10:30:57.717" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24735" PostId="4841" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes, I am speaking about on-topic questions. Added an edit to specify this." CreationDate="2021-01-20T10:41:08.050" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24738" PostId="4841" Score="2" Text="I haven't myself any clue that it's increasingly more common, so I don't know if your sample is representative. As regards very recent question, it is not rare to first answer in comments: for instance if the answer is straightforward or in case of a doubt about the question, it is legitimate to first comment before posting a full answer. Another reason to postpone a full answer is when one doesn't have the time to immediately provide details." CreationDate="2021-01-20T13:18:46.023" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24739" PostId="4841" Score="3" Text="@YCor *Another reason to postpone a full answer is when one doesn't have the time to immediately provide details* This seems a perfect example of what I think is a common misconception: an answer that is short, partial, or with little details should *not* become a comment. It's still an answer, just a short one. The minimum character length for answers is 30 characters, so unless your remark is *very* short there is no reason not to post it as one. :)" CreationDate="2021-01-20T15:33:45.850" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24741" PostId="4841" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni I should add that in my own case, probably in at lease 25% of such cases it appeared that either is misread the question, or my argument was incomplete (e.g., some fact I expected to be trivial or easy for me, wasn't). So I'm happy I didn't post it. (It also occurred for a few answers, but fortunately much less than 25%— I can't list my own deleted answer so I'm not sure how many.) To me, writing carefully an answer is full part of double checking it." CreationDate="2021-01-20T16:02:17.157" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24745" PostId="4841" Score="0" Text="@YCor You have enough reputation to list your deleted answers.  The query is [&quot;deleted:1 is:answer&quot;](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=deleted:1+is:answer)." CreationDate="2021-01-20T18:20:29.217" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24746" PostId="4841" Score="7" Text="@FedericoPoloni I think most mathematicians prefer to be very careful when submitting answers.  Sometimes I don't want to be pinned down to an answer I'm not absolutely sure of.  If I later convince myself of correctness or fill in the details, I will post it as an answer, but only then." CreationDate="2021-01-20T18:22:59.500" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24747" PostId="4841" Score="1" Text="@HarryGindi thanks! actually Martin told me the same in chat. I have 21 answers deleted by myself (total 28 but I don't wanna include some that became deleted as the question was deleted), this is 4%." CreationDate="2021-01-20T18:23:08.323" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24748" PostId="4841" Score="3" Text="There's something else I didn't mention. Sometimes I'm really unsure whether the question will be consider on-topic, and the answer might look fairly standard. Then I'm encouraged to post the answer if the question and the comment are appreciated. (Before answering it might be kept in mind that an upvoted answer prevents the question to be deleted.)" CreationDate="2021-01-20T18:25:35.780" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="24751" PostId="4841" Score="0" Text="@HarryGindi And somehow this fear of being wrong does not apply to comments?" CreationDate="2021-01-20T19:11:27.640" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24753" PostId="4841" Score="3" Text="It's lower stakes and lower pressure.  Comments can be deleted forever." CreationDate="2021-01-20T20:02:55.600" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24754" PostId="4841" Score="14" Text="Sometimes I answer a question in comments when I have something immediate to say which I think might be useful but without having the time or inclination to flesh out fully.  Sometimes I might also feel that the question was not sufficiently interesting, or unsuitable in some way, but still just want to say something that the questioner could use.  I don't really see what's wrong with this.  People should be free to contribute productively in whatever way they are comfortable with." CreationDate="2021-01-20T20:51:04.687" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24755" PostId="4841" Score="32" Text="I knew people would answer *this* question in comments..." CreationDate="2021-01-20T21:53:36.653" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24759" PostId="4841" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni I initially started my answer as a comment before I tasted the irony." CreationDate="2021-01-21T01:27:55.330" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24768" PostId="4841" Score="3" Text="My impression is that most people answer in comments not for the reasons you gave, but rather because: (1) the question wasn't appropriate for MO in the first place; (2) they feel a trivial observation doesn't deserve the upvotes an answer might attract." CreationDate="2021-01-21T16:39:44.960" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="24769" PostId="4841" Score="3" Text="@ChristianRemling At least (2) should be discouraged since community wiki answers are a better solution." CreationDate="2021-01-21T16:43:07.960" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24783" PostId="4841" Score="2" Text="I once posted an answer to a soft question about the origin of some terminology and was told that it should have been broken up into two comments and was sinful (sic). So I broke it up into two comments, but then the original poster said that it was correct and should be converted into an answer. So now I just stick to comments as it seems safer." CreationDate="2021-01-23T11:47:42.640" UserId="24993" />
  <row Id="24812" PostId="4841" Score="1" Text="This question prompted Yoav Kallus to [CW-answer](https://mathoverflow.net/a/382381/6094) a question that was answered in the comments." CreationDate="2021-01-28T00:48:22.940" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="24730" PostId="4842" Score="1" Text="Note that there are edge cases in which this is illegal, I believe, because it changes the CC version that applies to its content. EDIT: ...and there was quite some backlash when SE [tried to relicense stuff](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/333094/243091)." CreationDate="2021-01-20T08:48:40.963" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24731" PostId="4842" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Nobody is going to sue over this.  There's not really any way that it could be a matter of monetary damage anyway, so the worst thing that could possibly happen is we have to delete the answer or just rephrase it.  You can't copyright the idea of an answer, just the literal text." CreationDate="2021-01-20T08:50:57.023" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24732" PostId="4842" Score="9" Text="Saying who wrote it and linking to their comment means you have satisfied the conditions (IANAL, maybe modulo minor formatting issues of referencing) of the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike license. Note that CC-By-SA has been the license for a while, just that the version was [updated twice](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/347758/creative-commons-licensing-ui-and-data-updates). CC themselves say the licenses v2.x and later are [forward compatible](https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/License_Versions#Compatibility_mechanism_in_BY-SA_licenses)" CreationDate="2021-01-20T09:14:14.453" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24736" PostId="4842" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts IANAL either, but [this highly upvoted meta.se post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/333094/243091) states (with explicit reference to the CC update guidelines) that it is not permitted to unilaterally relicense content from CC-BY-SA 3.0 to CC-BY-SA 4.0, though. Anyhow, these are just edge cases (copying a very old comment)." CreationDate="2021-01-20T10:44:46.480" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24737" PostId="4842" Score="5" Text="@FedericoPoloni it's not about re-licensing old content here, but the license one can put on the _copied_ work, since it is meant to be &quot;Share-Alike&quot;. CC seem to claim that you don't need to use the exact same version of the license, but can use an updated version of the CC-By-SA license, as long as the original was 2.x or above. The controversy was that SE was re-licensing the original works." CreationDate="2021-01-20T10:55:48.977" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24740" PostId="4842" Score="0" Text="Thanks @DavidRoberts; this makes sense. Anyhow, what I don't like about this proposed solution is that it requires additional work from the community (copypasting comments with links, formatting and formulas into an answer is not immediate) and normalizes the misuse of the comment system without attempting to change it. It is like saying &quot;if you see someone littering our common house, you can pick up their trash yourself and put it in the trashcan&quot;, without addressing the problem of people that litter in the first place." CreationDate="2021-01-20T15:43:34.403" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24744" PostId="4842" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni Short of coercive action by the moderators (which I certainly don't want), I don't see a way out of this.  There are some users who make extremely helpful and useful contributions to this site who, frankly, flout the rules about answering questions in comments.  If the choice is between cleaning up after these people or threatening them with suspensions, I prefer that we just clean up after them. It's not that much work.  The disincentive to this behavior is actually the reputation system, and it works probably 95% of the time." CreationDate="2021-01-20T18:15:57.070" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24752" PostId="4842" Score="1" Text="@HarryGindi Continuing the analogy, when we see someone littering we don't normally call the police for 'coercive action', but we can still do something: point out their wrong behaviour and let peer pressure work against them, for instance. (Incidentally, are there still users that answer only in comments as a personal rule? The thread linked above mentions one, but he has not been active here since ten years, it seems)." CreationDate="2021-01-20T19:21:46.987" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24756" PostId="4842" Score="2" Text="_he has not been active here since ten years, it seems_ ..... wellllll. ;-)" CreationDate="2021-01-20T22:06:30.113" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24765" PostId="4842" Score="6" Text="@DavidRoberts I'm sure there's no way anyone who seemingly left the site could have returned to MO using a series of pseudonymous accounts, but, if they did, they might choose to sometimes answer in the comments and sometimes post a regular answer, making them less of a relevant example." CreationDate="2021-01-21T13:28:09.770" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="24750" PostId="4843" Score="1" Text="This seems right on the money!" CreationDate="2021-01-20T18:36:45.713" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24743" PostId="4844" Score="3" Text="In my experience, sometimes even prompting the user to leave the comment-answer as an answer has not yielded results, but yeah, this is a good thing to do before posting the answer yourself as CW." CreationDate="2021-01-20T17:14:42.707" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24757" PostId="4844" Score="6" Text="@HarryGindi There are a few users who have totally ignored my requests more than once (que sera sera), but outside these few I would saw half approximately half of people will post a comment as an answer if prompted within a day of prompting, and the ratio of conversion by answer-ers converges to approximately 3/4 people as more time is allowed." CreationDate="2021-01-21T01:24:07.763" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24763" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="Here's an example on one of my recent questions: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/375806/sga4-expos%C3%A9-ix-2-14-isotrivialization-of-a-constructible-sheaf-on-a-stratifica" CreationDate="2021-01-21T11:55:24.843" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24780" PostId="4844" Score="1" Text="@HarryGindi [Here's an example](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/378213/categorical-promotion?rq=1) from one of mine; there will naturally be some variation, but notice how there is no mention of what the person *should* do in my example, just thanks and a *request* that they convert the comment to an answer. For whatever reason, even if it's just a semantic difference the other person didn't notice, as soon as someone starts telling me what I *should* do I bristle and instinctually want to do the other thing. Not saying it's reasonable, just saying it exists." CreationDate="2021-01-22T23:38:39.600" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24782" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="I doubt that phrasing this another way would have induced Remy to leave an answer, but if one of his friends (or he himself) is reading this, please let me know!" CreationDate="2021-01-23T07:55:59.113" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24811" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="@HarryGindi In these situations, I think it is reasonable to write up the comment as a CW answer and accept it." CreationDate="2021-01-27T18:08:20.570" UserId="1106" />
  <row Id="24813" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="@StevenGubkin That was my suggestion down below!!  It didn't seem to be a consensus view so I haven't done anything about it yet." CreationDate="2021-01-28T04:41:43.873" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24818" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="@HarryGindi I agree with Steven that if it's been several months with no reply, and the answerer has been active in the interim but not reposted the comment as an answer, posting their answer as community wiki is appropriate. Perhaps even more; we might decide (informally) as a community that a ~3 month comment-to-answer conversion period be left for the original comment-answerer, after which it is an implied editorial duty for the community to convert the comment to a CW answer." CreationDate="2021-01-28T11:37:46.163" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24840" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="3 months seems a rather long time. With everything on a typical MO user's mind, I fear it would be rather easy to forget about this, leading to no practical change. Why not shorten the time period to a few days? If it happens that the original answerer posts something after the CW answer containing the comment has been made, it can always be deleted." CreationDate="2021-01-29T00:50:22.273" UserId="112114" />
  <row Id="24844" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="@KReiser The idea isn't that a user will hold a comment in their head for three months before correcting it, but rather that if one comes across a comment that meets the above criteria but is less than 3 months old they forget about it, or if it's 3+ months old they immediately just copy-paste it as a CW answer. No need for memorization or rushing IMO." CreationDate="2021-01-29T04:39:34.563" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24845" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="Perhaps there was some miscommunication, but I still think that even with your re-explanation, we could do with a shorter time scale. Either way, thanks for your efforts to address this issue." CreationDate="2021-01-29T04:52:56.597" UserId="112114" />
  <row Id="24767" PostId="4845" Score="3" Text="It is good that you’re so interested in math at a young age! This site is for a bit more advanced mathematics; for questions that aren’t about research mathematics but may still be at the Olympiad level, please check out math stackexchange. Keep up the good work!" CreationDate="2021-01-21T16:06:04.850" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24770" PostId="4847" Score="0" Text="Just to note that the question has been deleted; the OP got frustrated and overwrote the question with &quot;junk text&quot;, probably not realizing that he could delete it himself (or perhaps new users are unable to?)" CreationDate="2021-01-21T20:55:15.853" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24773" PostId="4847" Score="2" Text="From the form of the question on main, it looks like the sort of thing done in assignment software that randomizes coefficients and then marks a numerical answer. My suspicion is strengthened by the fact the OP knew that the answer given (a single number) was correct. One could view this meta question as a way of checking if the Q on main is still visible. I hate to be so cynical, but I've done a bit of tracking down of undergrad student cheating lately, for some reason... So I feel the answer on main was supremely unhelpful." CreationDate="2021-01-22T00:04:46.927" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24776" PostId="4848" Score="1" Text="As far as I know only the original asker can untick the accepted answer. This remark would have to be posed as a request in a comment on the question itself. I don't know if the closed status of the question interferes with the OP's ability to do so, though." CreationDate="2021-01-22T10:11:47.943" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24777" PostId="4848" Score="1" Text="The original asker was last seen on MathOverflow in March of 2018, so unaccepting may be asking too much." CreationDate="2021-01-22T12:19:57.340" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24778" PostId="4848" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the useful comments. If it's problematic to unaccept, I suppose I would say it's kind of secondary - the main request is to unclose the question, please." CreationDate="2021-01-22T15:36:39.417" UserId="84494" />
  <row Id="24779" PostId="4848" Score="2" Text="Upvoted and voted to reopen; I enjoyed reading Andrew's contribution, and while I agree that open questions should be avoided this question is labeled as a reference request; the OP isn't looking for an answer to the open problem, only the most cutting edge literature which I think is a) an appropriate question for combinatorial game theorists and b) provided by Andrew's answer as far as I can tell." CreationDate="2021-01-22T22:36:43.903" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="24865" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="So... what's happening now? Forget about the accepted answer. The question remains closed. This is all very opaque and unsatisfactory. Please can any moderator who reads this and feels it should *not* be reopened can reply here to explain their position. Thank you" CreationDate="2021-01-30T02:44:11.827" UserId="84494" />
  <row Id="24888" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="You keep referring to &quot;moderators&quot;, Andrew. So far as I can see, no moderator has had anything to do with the question. The comments, and the five votes to close, all came from ordinary users, not from moderators. The moderators of this site are generally reluctant to get involved in matters that can be settled by users. I'm out of suggestions as to what to do next. Sometimes, you do your best, and lose anyway." CreationDate="2021-01-30T23:19:19.043" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="24895" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Gerry. So there's no reason why the closers should visit here. How close are we to unclosing it? All I can think to add is some info about Bill Tutte himself. He wasn't just one of the founders of graph theory, he was one of the heroes of British code-breaking. When I visited Bletchley Park, I saw an exhibition dedicated to Tutte's achievements. As one website says: &quot;Alan Turing cracked the Enigma Code *with* knowledge of what the technology looked like, Bill [Tutte] cracked the Lorenz Code *without* knowledge of what the technology looked like and how it worked.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-01-31T15:34:11.483" UserId="84494" />
  <row Id="24781" PostId="4849" Score="4" Text="Some good news for once! Thanks for putting this here." CreationDate="2021-01-23T03:37:07.497" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25129" PostId="4849" Score="1" Text="Just came to this thread to post this.  I've really enjoyed these interviews and learned a lot." CreationDate="2021-03-06T23:30:51.423" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24784" PostId="4851" Score="8" Text="This is very heartening to hear, and I think your story provides an important lesson for both the established users and for potential new users of the site." CreationDate="2021-01-23T16:53:59.187" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24787" PostId="4851" Score="6" Text="Like polfosol, I am not a mathematician. I'm a physicist. I mostly lurk here. But sometimes I learn interesting things, and sometimes I'm able to give relevant answers or comments when things edge into my area of knowledge. Even though I am not at all in the target audience of this site, people here have always been extremely friendly and tolerant of any ignorance I display. As an SE junkie, I consider mathoverflow to be the friendliest SE site I visit. Actually, the most hostile SE site I've encountered is math.SE." CreationDate="2021-01-25T01:22:32.000" UserDisplayName="user21349" />
  <row Id="24796" PostId="4853" Score="0" Text="Perhaps add a link to this recent-ish question, the answers to which might inform any newer discussion: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4704/should-graduate-students-be-encouraged-to-participate-in-mo-if-so-at-what-stag" CreationDate="2021-01-26T18:25:32.830" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24797" PostId="4853" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi Thanks! Will do." CreationDate="2021-01-26T18:26:57.217" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="24800" PostId="4853" Score="0" Text="I was thinking which tags would be suitable here. I was able to come up with [meta-tag:site-promotion] and [meta-tag:new-users], although the latter does not seem to be that suitable. (That tag is commonly used for questions about newbies on the site, rather than for questions related to acquiring new users.)" CreationDate="2021-01-26T20:35:06.087" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24810" PostId="4853" Score="0" Text="Link to the quoted answer: [What do we mean by welcoming when we're a site aimed at researchers?](//meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4829)." CreationDate="2021-01-27T17:05:42.383" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="24828" PostId="4853" Score="7" Text="Back before Covid, I remember that MO had a booth at the JMM (=Joint Mathematics Meetings) at least once.  How successful was that?" CreationDate="2021-01-28T16:04:46.130" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="24910" PostId="4853" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I like &quot;new-users&quot;, but of course your experience and judgement is better than mine." CreationDate="2021-02-01T00:10:33.317" UserId="299" />
  <row Id="26207" PostId="4853" Score="0" Text="I think that *How can we attrack more grad students?*, if there was a (monetary) budget/collaborators (who print and distribute these in their universities) to print posters with the purpose to recruit more new contributors it could solve partially it (I don't know it this idea is legitimate). Other idea is if there was an event (similar to the ICM) where there was a call to recruit more new contributors for the site (on the main site MathOverflow was posted a question about *sugestions for special lectures at next ICM*, I don't know if in past there was some lecture about MathOverflow itself)" CreationDate="2021-07-18T14:45:48.970" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="24801" PostId="4854" Score="21" Text="Thank you for taking the time to share your view so thoroughly." CreationDate="2021-01-27T01:17:05.400" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="24803" PostId="4854" Score="3" Text="If people here wrote answers and comments for an implied audience of graduate students, rather than an implied audience of PhDs, would that make a significant difference? That’s the biggest idea I get from your answer for the title question of how MO can attract more graduate students,. Or do you have other suggestions for that title question?" CreationDate="2021-01-27T04:41:28.717" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="24805" PostId="4854" Score="3" Text="Thank you for the nice and thoughtful answer. Could you please provide some suggestions about the changes the community could make?  Regarding the fear of asking questions, we can surely try to act in order to reduce the &quot;facing the crowd&quot; perception (and I think this was partially done in the last years). However, I do not see any obvious way to reduce the fear of &quot;give away a good question or partial work&quot;. It can surely happen that a couple-of-months project is answered  very quickly here, because there are many experts in several fields [to be continued]" CreationDate="2021-01-27T06:43:00.807" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24807" PostId="4854" Score="5" Text="[...] But this is a risk inherent the scientific research: if you work alone, you feel isolated while, as soon as you talk about your work with your colleagues, someone might show you that your problem can become trivial when you look at it from a different point of view. I'm afraid that's what life is all about, and one of the skills that a researcher should develop is to transform this apparently negative situation in a positive one (by learning some new math, for instance). Of course, I'm aware that this can be stressful when one is completing their Ph.D. or just entered the job market." CreationDate="2021-01-27T06:59:32.547" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24808" PostId="4854" Score="3" Text="My best suggestion is making an effort to identify the issues with the graduate students that wont come, my experience is maybe common but only one at the end of the day.&#xA;&#xA;Addressing what I said, tho, @MattF's idea. might be worthy of the community's consideration. Maybe it would be good to signal that a question comes from a non expert, and similarly that an answer is intended for an audience of experts ( or not ). I dont know if this sort of transparency/honesty might make the experience easier.&#xA;&#xA;But I understand if this is not something the community at large would want to implement." CreationDate="2021-01-27T11:17:21.407" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="24809" PostId="4854" Score="3" Text="I agree that giving away a good question is inherent of this part of the job. I cant see any way of mitigating this from just within MathOverflow. Maybe something the community can do is somehow ( and I do not have a concrete suggestion for this ) make the risk more worth it. Im sure this site produces countless collaborations from q&amp;a's , I dont know if this can be extra promoted in these situations. Just a thought." CreationDate="2021-01-27T11:23:02.007" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="24817" PostId="4854" Score="0" Text="If you don't like an answer or find it unhelpful, the onus is on you to ask for clarification.  It doesn't always work out, but it's silly to fault the person who answered the question for not knowing your level of knowledge (and sometimes looking into an answer that you don't understand yet is a great way to learn new things)." CreationDate="2021-01-28T10:33:07.770" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24819" PostId="4854" Score="6" Text="@HarryGindi Well, I gave my perspective of why I think a lot of people that dont come here wont come here, its certainly part of why I avoid answering or raising questions. As I said a couple of times already, maybe the community is not willing to be extra cuddling or accomodating to relieve this sort of thing. Perhaps Im in the minority." CreationDate="2021-01-28T12:03:29.720" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="24820" PostId="4854" Score="0" Text="You said that answers are unhelpful, but you have to put some work in too.  Leave a comment asking for more details etc.  Francesco mentioned in another thread that the process of getting a good answer is dialectical.  It's rare that an answer is perfect and perfectly clear on the first go.  If you're confused, nobody will know if you don't speak for yourself (this is life advice too)." CreationDate="2021-01-28T12:48:15.923" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24821" PostId="4854" Score="2" Text="All right, thanks for the (life) advice." CreationDate="2021-01-28T13:04:49.393" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="24823" PostId="4854" Score="14" Text="FWIW, while I think there is some merit in points raised by Francesco and Harry, I'd just like to assure you that I found your answer valuable and (speaking only for myself) it does make me wonder if more can be done to lessen the barrier or the off-putting gradient. It is not easy to speak up if an answer or comment comes across (deliberately or not) as unhelpful or dismissive - years ago I felt a bit chastened for asking a reference question for the character table of certain finite groups and being told &quot;do it yourself it's good for you&quot;" CreationDate="2021-01-28T14:58:20.090" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24829" PostId="4854" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi Thank you. I think this is a good example of answers or comments that could be helpful in one context but not so much, or even pretty discouraging, in others. I certainly have witnessed similar things in questions Ive had and found here." CreationDate="2021-01-28T16:24:03.940" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="24839" PostId="4854" Score="10" Text="On a personal level, you should feel comfortable asking for clarification in comments. The comments are almost never a linear conversation, but a series of short conversations - you can just start a new one and ask for questions. People are almost never going to be annoyed by a question, and if they are it's easy for them to ignore it and move on." CreationDate="2021-01-29T00:22:12.577" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="24843" PostId="4854" Score="6" Text="Thanks for the nice answer.  It's useful to have your perspective." CreationDate="2021-01-29T01:58:18.007" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="24904" PostId="4854" Score="13" Text="AT0 said &quot;maybe the community is not willing to be extra cuddling or accomodating to relieve this sort of thing. Perhaps Im in the minority.&quot;  I actually think you are in a massive majority, but one that is not very noisy.  And I think many in the community would prefer to be extra cuddling or accommodating (not in a creepy way! :-).      I also fully am convinced by what you wrote on other points.    It would be really great to hear what others like you thought.  Don't worry about being in some minority --- I want to hear it.  If they are shy about doing it, perhaps you could just quote them?" CreationDate="2021-01-31T22:57:19.907" UserId="299" />
  <row Id="24905" PostId="4854" Score="12" Text="Separate comment, also for AT0:  Of course, the most vocal people are not representative, but also of course:  you clearly can't *know* how nonrepresentative.    If we want more smart people like you in math (not just you, but the hundreds you implicitly are a representative of), the onus is on *us* (the community) to attract people in!" CreationDate="2021-01-31T22:59:53.587" UserId="299" />
  <row Id="25186" PostId="4854" Score="5" Text="FWIW I appreciated this discussion and it changed my point of view somewhat. I feel I have commented in an unwelcoming way in the past and am going to endeavor to change some of the ways I engage. Thanks for posting it." CreationDate="2021-03-14T15:02:45.487" UserId="40804" />
  <row Id="24814" PostId="4855" Score="6" Text="My 2 cents. The meme you posted is somehow illuminating: people coming from Reddit (or Twitter, or Facebook) have a cultural shock when arriving to the Stack-Exchange platform, mainly because they pass from a *genuine discussion site* to a site whose *explicit mission* is to create a Wikipedia-like repository of *good* questions-and-answers, see also this question: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4816/scope-and-mission-of-mathoverflow&#xA;This difference on the scope implies a high level of &quot;gatekeeping&quot;, that is essentially absent on the social networks. &#xA;&#xA;1/2" CreationDate="2021-01-28T09:46:45.373" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24816" PostId="4855" Score="4" Text="It is the same with Wikipedia: people coming from the &quot;alternative cultures&quot; (flat-earthers, anti-vaxers, homeopaths, etc etc) often try to edit the posts, and of course their edits are not accepted because of the poor quality of the references. So, again, many of them talk about &quot;gatekeeping.&quot; &#xA;&#xA;What to do? I do not know. Certainly we must find the right balance, since we want to become more &quot;welcoming&quot; but, at the same time, we cannot risk to become an unreadable mess like Twitter. 2/2" CreationDate="2021-01-28T09:49:58.317" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24824" PostId="4856" Score="3" Text="You said this was meant to be on the comments, I assume you mean under my answer and not the question.&#xA;&#xA;I dont understand how reddit ( or any other community ) is terribly relevant in this discussion. Maybe reddit is worse, different, or both, it doesnt make this place good nor it addresses the question. &#xA;&#xA;Reddit already doesnt attract as many grad students or senior researchers as MO, so its a poor benchmark. &#xA;&#xA;Or was there any reason to mention reddit specifically?" CreationDate="2021-01-28T15:29:11.277" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="24825" PostId="4856" Score="1" Text="@AT0 I dunno.  I don't even know 22's account's name.  I think he was just contrasting MO with a site that has a lower bar for entry.  And obviously if this place works for some people, it's good.  MO can't be all things to all people (and any attempt to do so will make it good for nobody)." CreationDate="2021-01-28T15:39:19.217" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24826" PostId="4856" Score="1" Text="Also, I think it's revealing of your opinions that you say &quot;it doesn't make this place good&quot;.  Tell me a place you think is good, or at least better, then." CreationDate="2021-01-28T15:49:40.867" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24827" PostId="4856" Score="8" Text="I meant that &quot;MO is good&quot; doesnt follow from &quot;Reddit is worse, or different&quot;. As I said, I dont understand at all the comparison with other communities. MO is pretty unique in its target audience and its userbase. If you dont think there's anything to change about MO then thats valid, maybe its just the grad students that need to work in their personal insecurities." CreationDate="2021-01-28T15:58:02.587" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="24830" PostId="4856" Score="2" Text="My opinion is that we shouldn't try to change anything fundamental about the website, but if there are small changes in process or procedure done on a voluntary basis, or better information for new users, those are fine. The solution to the reputation problem however is just to propagandize/advertise how good MO is.  I do also agree with the idea that we shouldn't make policies based around people's personal insecurities.  We're not therapists or priests (unless someone wants to start a religion; hit me up!!), just mathematicians." CreationDate="2021-01-28T16:28:57.547" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24831" PostId="4856" Score="1" Text="I was only paraphrasing your edited/deleted answer, it is ( I thought clearly ) not my opinion that we/MO shouldnt do anything to help ease people's issues coming here that you identify as 'personal insecurities'. In any case I dont think I have anything else to add, I think we're on very different pages and I already have made my points and what I advocate for very clear." CreationDate="2021-01-28T16:44:05.240" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="24832" PostId="4856" Score="11" Text="@HarryGindi &quot;And obviously if this place works for some people, it's good. MO can't be all things to all people (and any attempt to do so will make it good for nobody).&quot; I don't think anybody is proposing making MO be all things to all people. And I find the statement &quot;if this place works for some people, it's good&quot; rather absurd. I would say the target audience of MO clearly includes (&quot;advanced&quot;) grad students. And my experience is that the clear majority of grad students do not want to ask questions on MO." CreationDate="2021-01-28T17:27:03.550" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="24833" PostId="4856" Score="4" Text="Maybe this is not the case for most grad students you know. I don't know, it is theoretically possible that I'm in a strange geographic bubble which happens to uniformly dislike the idea of participating on MO. But if it is the case that a supermajority of grad students is turned off by MO, then that seems like a clear problem to me, and &quot;MO can't be all things to all people&quot; seems like a terrible counterargument." CreationDate="2021-01-28T17:31:46.853" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="24834" PostId="4856" Score="3" Text="@dhy A supermajority of grad students is too intimidated to talk to prominent mathematicians at conferences." CreationDate="2021-01-28T17:37:41.193" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24836" PostId="4856" Score="25" Text="@HarryGindi I don't disagree with that. But I would classify that as a problem as well. Maybe your opinion is that these are not fixable problems. I don't know if they are --- if I did, I wouldn't have asked this question. But following your analogy (which I think is a good one), I think different prominent mathematicians intimidate different proportions of grad students. And I would think that for at least some prominent mathematicians, &quot;How can I try to intimidate fewer grad students?&quot; might be a worthwhile question to spend some time thinking about." CreationDate="2021-01-28T17:47:23.850" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="24837" PostId="4856" Score="15" Text="Just to say +1 to @dhy's comment immediately above - and not just for &quot;prominent&quot; mathematicians. I do sometimes think one can lapse into a mentality of &quot;clearly I'm not super-eminent, so how could I be punching down, I would expect to receive the same treatment&quot; - I know I have done so from time to time." CreationDate="2021-01-28T18:41:18.980" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24855" PostId="4856" Score="0" Text="@dhy I don't know how you are going to fix problems that seem to be grounded in the fact that these grad students have a certain kind of personality, mais dans ce site-ci, il est peut être bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres." CreationDate="2021-01-29T20:17:41.393" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24862" PostId="4856" Score="1" Text="@HarryGindi &quot;L'expérience confirme que la mollesse ou l'indulgence pour soi et la dureté pour les autres n'est qu'un seul et même vice.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-01-29T23:54:01.770" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24866" PostId="4856" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi Pour moi? C'est tout dureté!!!  Tout le monde devrait être plus dur!  I don't speak fronch though I was just horsing around." CreationDate="2021-01-30T03:52:30.607" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24868" PostId="4856" Score="1" Text="Anyway the point of my post was that maybe the solution is giving grad students a kick in the pants for motivation." CreationDate="2021-01-30T04:23:54.313" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24874" PostId="4856" Score="0" Text="(by executing an admiral from time to time =) )" CreationDate="2021-01-30T07:17:38.197" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24875" PostId="4856" Score="4" Text="Well, it is not exactly the same thing, but  parental experience shows that it is usually a delicate task to find the balance between over-protecting kids and being too harsh with them." CreationDate="2021-01-30T09:24:55.613" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24903" PostId="4856" Score="5" Text="@HarryGindi I don't agree, and indeed the attitude you are taking with your recent comments and &quot;horsing around&quot; is precisely why I directed that La Bruyere quote at you. Re &quot;I don't know how you are going to fix problems that seem to be grounded in the fact that these grad students have a certain kind of personality&quot; - well, physician heal thyself. I think that's all I have to say on this matter and will not clog up this comment thread further." CreationDate="2021-01-31T17:57:37.067" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24906" PostId="4856" Score="16" Text="I strongly and viscerally disagree that grad students need a kick in the pants.  I also assert that this point of view is held by almost no one in the community.    Separately, I know FP meant well (and I like his comments in general), but I don't think of being welcoming as being overprotective.   I would go so far as to say (to dhy and anyone else) that if you find somewhere on MO someone giving someone else a kick in the pants, please let the community know.  The community does not take kindly to discouraging people just wanting to learn." CreationDate="2021-01-31T23:04:19.323" UserId="299" />
  <row Id="24907" PostId="4856" Score="2" Text="@RaviVakil: I was not comparing &quot;being welcoming&quot; to &quot;being over-protective&quot;. I was just trying to say that, sometimes, saying (kindly) to someone &quot;Here you are wrong&quot; might be  better for her/him than just stay silent out of fear of being too direct." CreationDate="2021-01-31T23:55:46.260" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24908" PostId="4856" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi as usual I agree with you.  Saying &quot;Here you are wrong&quot; in a kind way also shows how to show someone is wrong in a kind way --- an added bonus!" CreationDate="2021-02-01T00:02:37.090" UserId="299" />
  <row Id="24909" PostId="4856" Score="0" Text="@dhy wrote:  &quot; I think different prominent mathematicians intimidate different proportions of grad students. And I would think that for at least some prominent mathematicians, &quot;How can I try to intimidate fewer grad students?&quot; might be a worthwhile question to spend some time thinking about.&quot;  That's a perfect example of how to give advice in a kind way.  I hope you post more!" CreationDate="2021-02-01T00:08:48.547" UserId="299" />
  <row Id="24913" PostId="4856" Score="0" Text="@RaviVakil  No no, on MO itself we should be all sweetness and etc. I meant off of MO in the real world, we should be out motivating people to use MO (with kicks to the tush, not kisses!).  Another metaphor I like is pushing someone into the shallow end of a pool.  There is no serious danger but maybe fleeting discomfort. But anyway, this should be done by advisors to their students or grad students to their colleagues, and not on MO." CreationDate="2021-02-01T05:10:54.123" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24915" PostId="4856" Score="2" Text="I think Ravi misunderstood or wasn't familiar with the idiom: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kick_in_the_pants .  A kick in the pants is encouragement not discouragement.  It's synonymous with &quot;light a fire under (someone)&quot;." CreationDate="2021-02-01T07:13:51.643" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24917" PostId="4856" Score="1" Text="This isn't purely self-interested for MO.  Encouraging your students and friends to participate is good for them as well, not just in helping research but also in developing social skills in a professional environment and overcoming anxiety.  Participation is good for mental health.  That's why I mentioned in my comment to AT0 that my advice was also life advice." CreationDate="2021-02-01T08:52:27.317" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="25047" PostId="4856" Score="1" Text="&quot;Encouraging your students and friends to participate is good for them as well, ... in ... overcoming anxiety.&quot; [Narrator: not medical advice, see your doctor if symptoms persist]" CreationDate="2021-02-11T00:06:01.873" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24838" PostId="4857" Score="0" Text="Probably it is worth reminding that an answer which was deleted *by a moderator* cannot be undeleted by regular users. (But I suppose you're aware of this - if you tried to cast an undelete vote, you saw a pop-up explaining this.)" CreationDate="2021-01-28T22:36:11.680" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24841" PostId="4857" Score="0" Text="Yep, I know that. That's why I also tried to attract the attention of @ToddTrimble to it though I'm not really sure if the at symbol works in the answer body. Any other moderator would do too :-)" CreationDate="2021-01-29T01:03:16.023" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="24842" PostId="4857" Score="0" Text="You may want to flag Todd (flag any of his comments anywhere). No idea if this happened here, but it could be it was deleted by mistake." CreationDate="2021-01-29T01:35:35.580" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="24847" PostId="4857" Score="2" Text="I have responded here: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/56897449#56897449 I understand why the situation seems confusing, but it was not deleted by mistake, and there was nothing sinister going on. The other moderators can see what happened as well." CreationDate="2021-01-29T16:17:30.967" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="24854" PostId="4857" Score="3" Text="This reminded me of another question that I was surprised to see deleted by a moderator, despite of several answers with upvotes. I even suspect it might be the same author (I noticed they tend to delete their questions quite a bit). https://mathoverflow.net/questions/376821" CreationDate="2021-01-29T19:09:06.100" UserId="2384" />
  <row Id="24848" PostId="4858" Score="4" Text="Honestly, I don't enjoy the live preview. It slows down my writing, it shows errors while I type (when I'm not done typing) and I usually know how my post will look. Compiling later and correct errors then based on error messages would be totally fine with me (and I would probably find it a bit better)." CreationDate="2021-01-29T16:25:07.557" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="24849" PostId="4858" Score="4" Text="Like @Dirk, I don't use the live preview very much, but I think needing to toggle between modes to see the preview is going to be much worse than a compile button." CreationDate="2021-01-29T16:47:03.813" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24850" PostId="4858" Score="19" Text="Why are they fixing something that isn't even broken anyway?  This stinks of some stupid side project started by summer interns to make them feel special. This is the Tech Industry, where changes have to be made not to solve any problem in particular, but just because they _can_ be made!" CreationDate="2021-01-29T16:56:15.773" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24851" PostId="4858" Score="4" Text="Anyway thanks for bringing this to our attention Emilio let's kick up a big dust cloud over this!!" CreationDate="2021-01-29T17:01:44.280" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24856" PostId="4858" Score="5" Text="@HarryGindi You can read about it over on the meta post. They assert that the codebase for the editor is getting old, with a lot of hacked-together bits and cruft, so that it's hard to maintain and update. They started over to create a rich text editor for the StackExchange Teams product, and now they want to expand that, to streamline things. For non-technical sites (the majority of them), it's very easy to imagine that a rich text editor makes more sense than a markdown editor. So it makes a lot of sense for the network as a whole, but they do need to hear from us about our needs." CreationDate="2021-01-29T20:44:02.893" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24857" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion I don't see why the editor needs to ever be maintained or updated.  It's make-work." CreationDate="2021-01-29T22:36:50.220" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24858" PostId="4858" Score="12" Text="@HarryGindi The only kind of software that doesn't need to get maintained or updated is software which is never used. To see this, consider the graph whose vertices are pieces of software which are used and whose edges are dependencies or interactions between those pieces of software. This graph is dominated by a giant connected component. For example, the giant connected component includes every piece of software which runs on the Internet, every piece of software which runs on Windows or Mac or Linux, and every piece of software written by StackExchange." CreationDate="2021-01-29T23:26:28.950" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24859" PostId="4858" Score="7" Text="Any time one piece of sofware in this giant connected component is updated or a node is added, neighboring nodes will potentially require update. The update requirements propagate. Therefore, because there exists software in the giant connected component which ever requires update, it follows that every piece of software in the giant connected component potentially requires update. More concretely, every time your browser or operating system is updated, it's possible that the editor code requires a tweak. Every time MathJax is updated, the editor might need a change." CreationDate="2021-01-29T23:26:37.520" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24860" PostId="4858" Score="7" Text="Every time StackExchange updates one piece of software they've written, this can necessitate changes to neighboring pieces of software, which can necessitate further changes, etc. and among the things that might need to change is the editor." CreationDate="2021-01-29T23:26:44.187" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24863" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="@Dirk Since you've mentioned that you do not like live preview, I'll mention that there are some ways to switch it of: [How to turn off the MathJax preview?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2660)" CreationDate="2021-01-30T00:56:14.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24864" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="I was thinking about suitable tags for this post. The tag ([meta-tag:editing]) seems suitable. I was also thinking about ([meta-tag:markdown-preview]), but I am less sure there. (On [math.meta.se], there is a separate tag called [editor](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/editor), but such tag does not exist here or on [physics.meta.se].)" CreationDate="2021-01-30T00:59:53.173" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24867" PostId="4858" Score="6" Text="@TimCampion I dunno that all sounds like a bunch of excuses to try to push through something unpopular.  I've done this kind of thing many times in real life so that's why I don't trust them." CreationDate="2021-01-30T04:05:49.507" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24870" PostId="4858" Score="5" Text="@HarryGindi I agree one should never expect that Stack Exchange's decisions are primarily motivated by our interests here at MathOverflow. We're just one of many Stack Exchange sites, we're not the overwhelmingly-most-important site Stack Overflow, and we don't directly make them money at all. So it's of paramount importance that we be vocal about how these changes would adversely affect us." CreationDate="2021-01-30T07:09:07.657" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24871" PostId="4858" Score="19" Text="However, your theory that Stack Overflow is deciding to replace the editor across all their sites as a &quot;make-work project&quot;, designed to be unpopular, is outlandish, ill-motivated, and evidence-free. By contrast, the theory that an application they first wrote over 10 years ago is indeed, as they claim, difficult to maintain across dozens of sites and potentially less effective for the majority of them, and that it never occurred to them to think through the difficulties of of implementing MathJax in an atlernative framework, is, by contrast, well-motivated and has supporting evidence." CreationDate="2021-01-30T07:09:15.080" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24873" PostId="4858" Score="5" Text="@TimCampion Remember when Google claimed the same motivation for removing the API that allowed ad-blocking to work from chromium?  This reminds me of that." CreationDate="2021-01-30T07:14:35.493" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24876" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="@Harry it's not about the editor for the Q&amp;A sites, but for the editor on their job site which is where they actually make money. They want people to be able to just cut and paste in formatted rich text from another source, because they are HR or something." CreationDate="2021-01-30T09:42:15.300" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24877" PostId="4858" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts The original point of MO was that we would be a paid community.  If we have to keep suffering stupid changes at the SE level, maybe the board should start looking to finally raise money and actually have our own paid community (and a corresponding level of priority)." CreationDate="2021-01-30T09:47:04.463" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24890" PostId="4858" Score="15" Text="There's no need to invoke conspiracy theories or impute malicious intent to be concerned about these particular changes, nor to understand why Stack Exchange's ideas don't always seem like the best ideas from our perspective -- right now or in general. Not everything is about us, and the situation is well-explained by considering the incentives at play and the known facts. I feel this is worth stressing right now because the solution to the problem requires us to communicate with Stack Exchange with the understanding that everyone is here in good faith." CreationDate="2021-01-31T04:59:45.760" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24894" PostId="4858" Score="15" Text="@HarryGindi I applaud the goal, but please reconsider the tactics. Using conspiracy theories to manipulate people betrays a lack of good faith and is never appropriate. I for one will not tolerate it on MO. Moreover, in the long run it would only serve to undermine our cause." CreationDate="2021-01-31T15:08:55.033" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24896" PostId="4858" Score="1" Text="@TimCampion I dunno, internet tech companies do things that annoy me all the time in terms of UX design.  If possible, it would be good to have an unruly mob making an issue of every little change or reduction in functionality.  I'm still heartbroken over the ruination of Opera after v12 =(.  I'd rather pay money than have to suffer the whims of people who don't care about their users." CreationDate="2021-01-31T15:46:34.490" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24897" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="@HarryGindi I'm not familiar with this &quot;paid option&quot; business. I'd be interested in learning more. Perhaps it's worth discussing elsewhere." CreationDate="2021-01-31T15:53:23.253" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24898" PostId="4858" Score="1" Text="@TimCampion That's why they're introducing the WYSIWYG editor in the first place, 'StackOverflow for Teams'.  It's a paid version of an SE community." CreationDate="2021-01-31T16:03:07.990" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24899" PostId="4858" Score="4" Text="@TimCampion: It starts at $6 per user per month.  It’s not the kind of model that’s relevant to MO." CreationDate="2021-01-31T16:13:04.097" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24900" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="@NoahSnyder We might be able to negotiate something with SO, since right now they make no money from us and run no ads here.  I think the board should look into it.." CreationDate="2021-01-31T16:13:59.827" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24937" PostId="4858" Score="1" Text="&quot;If possible, it would be good to have an unruly mob making an issue of every little [thing I don't like]&quot; the irony! :-)" CreationDate="2021-02-03T08:19:29.300" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24938" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="It will probably turn out that they changed it because of a Tweet or something..." CreationDate="2021-02-03T10:30:48.697" UserId="24993" />
  <row Id="24985" PostId="4858" Score="1" Text="@Flounderer They didn't. I gave some beta feedback on the Stacks editor (before it was even called that); no tweet was involved, as far as I know." CreationDate="2021-02-07T01:51:36.837" UserId="114888" />
  <row Id="25413" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="@NoahSnyder That's not the point. The new editor is being pushed because SE wants to sell this product to business users. And one of the needs of these paying customers is that the product be intuitive enough for the average Word-using employee that does not understand markup. This is part of the monetization stage (and we are not -- we were part of the earlier &quot;getting popular&quot; stage of their strategy)." CreationDate="2021-04-01T19:50:21.127" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25414" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni: I'm pretty sure there's some deleted comments here making things make a bit less sense.  At any rate I don't disagree with you, my point was just that there's not much we can do it about.  We can't turn MO into a &quot;teams&quot; website." CreationDate="2021-04-01T20:09:59.520" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24869" PostId="4859" Score="4" Text="After considering this a bit more and opting in to the alpha test (which only seems to be available on the main meta site and not on mathoverflow, and which doesn't at this point have any mathjax support at all), I'm back to being increasingly concerned. I've written an [answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/360304/289078) to the main meta question discussing this. In brief: if the only way to preview your mathjax is in the rich text editor, then the preview is never going to be good enough for our needs, because they'll be shoehorning the mathjax preview into an entirely different beast." CreationDate="2021-01-30T04:25:20.150" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24872" PostId="4859" Score="4" Text="Glad you've come around to being suspicious of this stuff Tim!" CreationDate="2021-01-30T07:13:06.097" UserId="1353" />
  <row Id="24878" PostId="4859" Score="13" Text="So, typing math in a question or an answer will become as difficult as typing math in a comment is now?" CreationDate="2021-01-30T16:18:32.350" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="24879" PostId="4859" Score="3" Text="@GeraldEdgar I fear that might be exactly right." CreationDate="2021-01-30T16:19:18.340" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24889" PostId="4859" Score="7" Text="To spell out the obvious: it's acceptable for comments to have no mathjax preview because they are constrained in length. More complex expressions which benefit the most from previewing are less likely to come up. And of course, the total amount of math written is limited. So it's generally feasible to catch any errors after publishing the comment, diagnose them, and fix them in the the alotted 5 minutes. The situation in questions and answers is completely different, and so the setup which is adequate for comments is inadequate for questions and answers." CreationDate="2021-01-31T04:39:23.187" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24923" PostId="4859" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion Thank you for your kind comments over on the MSE thread." CreationDate="2021-02-01T17:35:20.243" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="24925" PostId="4859" Score="6" Text="@EmilioPisanty 100%. Your work here has been exemplary. You've taken the time to digest large complex changes, you've identified serious issues buried in them, you've carefully and clearly articulated these problems to the rest of us, you've recognized the need to thread the needle between raising the alarm and going overboard, you've managed to do that, and you've been proactive in spreading the word. I really appreciate it. From my occasional foray in to Physics SE, I'd expect no less." CreationDate="2021-02-01T17:48:39.750" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24932" PostId="4859" Score="6" Text="Also editing comments doesn’t bump the front page like editing a posted question or answer does.  So there’s no harm in using “post” as preview for comments." CreationDate="2021-02-01T20:56:44.810" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24880" PostId="4860" Score="8" Text="I'm not sure why the downvote. This isn't the first time these sort of petitions are posted on MO. I just didn't feel that it merits a separate thread." CreationDate="2021-01-30T17:45:49.810" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24881" PostId="4860" Score="6" Text="Seems a good point to raise here.  Thanks for adding this." CreationDate="2021-01-30T18:05:35.400" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24884" PostId="4860" Score="5" Text="This is doubly dispiriting/appalling given that the university had tried something similar back in 2016..." CreationDate="2021-01-30T20:32:10.937" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24885" PostId="4860" Score="0" Text="@Yemon: That is terrible." CreationDate="2021-01-30T20:32:40.747" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24911" PostId="4861" Score="2" Text="I should also say that I am upvoting your question to give you yet another unearned point, just to spite you." CreationDate="2021-02-01T00:14:24.630" UserId="299" />
  <row Id="24912" PostId="4861" Score="5" Text="But Ravi, an upvote on Meta won't give any points to Jeremy Rickard! :)  But let me vote up your answer, so that you'll be on your way to a shiny Necromancer badge!" CreationDate="2021-02-01T00:50:45.450" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24916" PostId="4861" Score="3" Text="Don't worry, I stopped worrying about it six years ago!" CreationDate="2021-02-01T07:19:06.430" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="24967" PostId="4861" Score="3" Text="@Jeremy: But did you learn to love the bomb? :-)" CreationDate="2021-02-05T12:12:02.077" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="24918" PostId="4862" Score="13" Text="The basic workflow looks fine. The incompatibility of KaTeX with MathJax is a serious problem; I notice the TODO also includes “Support a render callback function, allowing use of MathJax / MathLive instead of KaTeX”, but it is quite low on the list. On the other hand, these worries may be premature. The SE developer didn’t write “we can use prosemirror-math”; they only suggested that it is an “interesting approach”, which to me reads as saying that they might implement something similar, or perhaps use an adaptation of prosemirror-math, not that they would just use the package out of the box." CreationDate="2021-02-01T12:49:54.853" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="24919" PostId="4862" Score="2" Text="There is also a post about KaTeX on [meta.se]: [Next math renderer MathJax v3 versus KaTeX?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/338933) Is it clear from the discussion that it would be necessary to switch from MathJax to KaTeX to have something similar to those examples?" CreationDate="2021-02-01T12:54:45.720" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24920" PostId="4862" Score="1" Text="I wouldn’t be *happy* about it, but I’m pretty sure I could live with it (assuming it works on safari and the major backwards compatibility issues were solved)." CreationDate="2021-02-01T13:39:09.423" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24921" PostId="4862" Score="4" Text="My immediate reaction, when considering yet _another_ framework where some developer is making choices about mimicking some subset of the capabilities of Latex is extreme skepticism. For instance, commutative diagrams in MathJax are limited to the amscd package which nobody uses in latex and which is quite limited compared to tikz or xymatrix. But it always seemed like a lucky break that they were supported at all. Will we get another lucky break and have commutative diagram support in this new framework? I'm sure you could say the same about Latex essentials in other areas of math." CreationDate="2021-02-01T15:38:16.417" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24922" PostId="4862" Score="2" Text="In the particular case of commutative diagrams, [tikz support](https://github.com/KaTeX/KaTeX/issues/219) has been suggested and dismissed -- I don't know if just tikzcd would be more feasible. [xymatrix has been suggested](https://github.com/KaTeX/KaTeX/issues/1834) and I think it says somewhere in there that amscd is supported. So maybe it would not be a further downgrade from mathjax. I'm still concerned that there are probably all sorts of similar things that others need and would have to fight to get implemented that I don't know about." CreationDate="2021-02-01T15:45:59.770" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24924" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="If we're seriously discussing any approach which doesn't start from the premise that MathJax will be fully supported, then we probably need to start compiling an explicit list of what Latex features we need to have supported. (grumble grumble does SE even appreciate what they're putting us through...)" CreationDate="2021-02-01T17:39:06.867" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24927" PostId="4862" Score="1" Text="Accordingly, I've started [this question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4863/which-latex-mathjax-features-do-we-need-to-have-supported-on-the-site) to start doing just that." CreationDate="2021-02-01T18:40:00.293" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24957" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion For what it's worth reading the bug report you linked it seems that AMScd support [has been added](https://github.com/KaTeX/KaTeX/pull/2396) to KaTeX (although maybe still only to the development version). While I'd love to have full TikZ, this seems like an acceptable fallback (or, at least, not worsen the current situation)." CreationDate="2021-02-04T17:03:06.763" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="24963" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="@DenisNardin That was my impression too but I haven’t checked carefully and others like Willie Wong on the other thread seem to have indicated that amscd is not supported. It’s probably a good idea to get to the bottom of this." CreationDate="2021-02-04T18:53:43.767" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25352" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="I see you mention bandwidth, but I thought Katex was 100% client-side rendering, exactly like Mathjax, so there should not be any request back to the server, apart from one to load fonts the first time a symbol from a certain set is drawn. Am I misunderstood?" CreationDate="2021-03-31T06:31:30.003" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="24926" PostId="4863" Score="2" Text="I'd like this question to be CW, but I'm realizing that it's been years since I converted a question rather than an answer to CW and I don't see how to do it. Is it something that stopped being supported at some point? I'm also not familiar enough with the meta tags to do them justice." CreationDate="2021-02-01T18:37:29.473" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24928" PostId="4863" Score="4" Text="This feels premature to me at this stage. If the devs do want to switch the backend then this will definitely need to be done, but it's a lot of community work so I'd say let's do that only if it's clear that it's required." CreationDate="2021-02-01T18:44:24.860" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="24929" PostId="4863" Score="6" Text="On a more strategic level, it feels to me that a more effective strategy is to look at the proposed backend (be it KaTeX or anything else), find what its differences are with MathJax, and look for where they overlap with existing posts, and then work from there. But then again you're right that this might not be assertive enough, if non-back-compatible options are on the table." CreationDate="2021-02-01T18:46:33.470" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="24930" PostId="4863" Score="0" Text="@EmilioPisanty You may well be right. For me, commutative diagram support is an essential requirement which I'm certain will need to be explicitly explained to the developers. But I don't want to go around saying &quot;the main thing to look for in a new Latex-like framework is commutative diagram support&quot; before soliciting input from others who may well have specific needs that are just as clear. For example, on the internet I generally don't really use many user-defined macros, but I know that some folks do. Do they find them essential, or just convenient? I don't know." CreationDate="2021-02-01T18:57:42.123" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24931" PostId="4863" Score="3" Text="This reminded me of an older discussion (about MathJax) on [math.meta.se]: [Poll for MathJax macros that should be automatically loaded](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3667)." CreationDate="2021-02-01T19:01:17.620" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24933" PostId="4863" Score="6" Text="Whatever is suggested, I would like to make sure we absolutely veto the (old?) Wikipedia-style images of rendered equations/expressions. Also, the oft-used WP hack of formatted text as a stand-in for variables (just putting it in italics is not enough!)" CreationDate="2021-02-02T06:53:08.183" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24934" PostId="4863" Score="1" Text="Better diagram support would be nice, since AMScd doesn't really do non-diagonal arrows. I don't know what to suggest in its place that SE would actually consider, though." CreationDate="2021-02-02T06:55:39.350" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="24935" PostId="4863" Score="2" Text="Since @DavidRoberts mentioned commutative diagrams, I'll add links to some previous discussions on this meta: [Diagrams in MathJax via xypic.js](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/988), [Is it possible to use tikzcd code in MO posts?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3792), [Triangle commutative diagram does not work here at MO](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4072). Commutative diagrams were mentioned also here: [Big list of feature requests and suggestions for a fantasy MO 3.0](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1053#1083)." CreationDate="2021-02-02T08:03:23.233" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24936" PostId="4863" Score="4" Text="Perhaps its worth pointing out that SE views these changes as a chance to make things _better_. It's probably counterproductive not to at least try to get on board with their optimism. So maybe we should also put more emphasis on thinking about what Latex features are _not_ supported by MathJax, but would be nice to add. Coming back to commutative diagrams, as others have also pointed out there's significant room for improvement." CreationDate="2021-02-02T14:14:05.107" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24939" PostId="4863" Score="1" Text="It occurs to me that someone who knows how to do some basic scripting should be able to download the last few years of MO and extract some statistics on which LaTeX features are used how often. This would probably be more useful than asking individual people's opinion." CreationDate="2021-02-03T15:05:29.150" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24940" PostId="4863" Score="1" Text="@DavidESpeyer I'll add that the data dumps (in form of an xml-file) of Stack Exchange sites - including MO - are publicly available: https://archive.org/details/stackexchange (I think they are updated quarterly.) So if somebody wants to analyze data, they can be obtained from there." CreationDate="2021-02-03T17:41:21.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24951" PostId="4863" Score="1" Text="@DavidESpeyer And, of course, one could also use SEDE or built-in-search. I have tried to expand on this a bit [in the MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/data-on-various-mathjax-latex-commands)." CreationDate="2021-02-04T06:53:00.913" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24961" PostId="4863" Score="1" Text="As a non-programmer, how is something like backwards compatibility implemented (or is it not?). Presumably any huge overhaul like this will wreak havoc on old posts, no matter how careful the translation from one system to another is done. Is it inevitable that we would be spending years finding incompatibilities in the future and having to fix them by hand?" CreationDate="2021-02-04T17:30:38.917" UserId="21271" />
  <row Id="24964" PostId="4863" Score="1" Text="@DanRust In my opinion, it's a bit premature to expect that some changes similar the ones described in the question are actually going to happen. Let's wait and see whether something like that is actually confirmed. OTOH, the MathOverflow community does not seem to be that bothered about rendering old posts - at least, there was no reaction when I brought up some broken posts here: [Problem with posts and comments relying on macros defined elsewhere](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4103)." CreationDate="2021-02-04T20:40:44.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25097" PostId="4863" Score="1" Text="@DavidESpeyer &#xA; Although there is a bit of difference (you asked about LaTeX features and this is about commands used in the post), but still, the SEDE query posted by Glorfindel on Mathematics Meta might be of interest in connection with your inquiry: [What Mathjax commands are most often used on this site?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/33192#33195)" CreationDate="2021-02-23T14:37:08.503" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="24944" PostId="4864" Score="1" Text="Speed comparison: https://www.intmath.com/cg5/katex-mathjax-comparison.php IIRC MO still is on MathJax 2.x; MathJax 3 is significantly faster than MathJax 2.7. KaTeX is a bit faster." CreationDate="2021-02-03T18:59:44.013" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="24941" PostId="4865" Score="3" Text="My impression is that tikz is super-complicated. When you say it would be nice, how much of that power do you have in mind? Is it mostly tikzcd stuff? (I don't know if that would make a difference.)" CreationDate="2021-02-03T17:46:23.463" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24942" PostId="4865" Score="1" Text="I don't think I know enough about tikz to answer this. I generally use it when xymatrix won't do the job, so I am already filtering for hard cases." CreationDate="2021-02-03T17:53:45.700" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24943" PostId="4865" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I suppose the reason that tikzcd is more powerful than xymatrix to begin with is probably closely tied up with the fact that there's this huge infrastructure behind it. But at least it sounds like you'd want it primarily for commutative diagrams rather than drawing pictures." CreationDate="2021-02-03T17:57:57.533" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24945" PostId="4865" Score="5" Text="`cases` is also rather important, I guess.  Also `underbrace`." CreationDate="2021-02-03T19:13:05.930" UserId="3032" />
  <row Id="24946" PostId="4865" Score="0" Text="I wonder if I should have made each response a separate answer so votes could be more meaningful. Martin Rubey's are all things I would put in the middle category; I'll add them." CreationDate="2021-02-03T21:54:35.507" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24949" PostId="4865" Score="14" Text="One interesting missing item here is `\begin{align}`. If nothing else, there's ~4k posts with it on MO." CreationDate="2021-02-04T00:05:40.733" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="24950" PostId="4865" Score="0" Text="@EmilioPisanty I considered adding that, since it is an obvious companion to matrix and array, but I almost never use it myself. I think what this is showing is that the answer format I chose isn't really a good one." CreationDate="2021-02-04T02:09:58.553" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24953" PostId="4865" Score="1" Text="Davide Cervone left a comment concerning diagonal arrows, xypic, MathML in a [discussion on Mathematics Meta](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9387/mathjax-2-2-beta/9401#comment34253_9401). (Although that was back in 2013.)" CreationDate="2021-02-04T11:55:32.043" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25067" PostId="4865" Score="2" Text="Implementing Tikz in Mathjax looks like a programmer's worst dream. That package contains everything but the kitchen sink." CreationDate="2021-02-14T18:42:17.173" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27089" PostId="4865" Score="0" Text="For simple commutative diagrams, there is a hack using arrays, with downarrows on a separate row (like in [this post](https://mathoverflow.net/a/356950/82179)). When I need something more complicated, I make a tikzcd locally and post the image (high quality screenshot with alpha background channel to make it blend into the page). The big diagram [here](https://mathoverflow.net/revisions/352511/1) is a good example, although I ultimately removed it in a later edit." CreationDate="2022-03-10T20:26:18.723" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="27090" PostId="4865" Score="0" Text="For this reason, a welcome addition for me would be \small and other font size changes in LaTeX, so that I can manually hack the labels of a downarrow as well. (Obviously using tikzcd, even on my own machine, solves this problem in a much better way.)" CreationDate="2022-03-10T20:32:20.203" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="24947" PostId="4866" Score="0" Text="Strange that `mbox` is missing. Since they have `textrm`, it wouldn't be such a big deal in the future, but `mbox` is a little nicer and is what I usually use." CreationDate="2021-02-03T22:10:38.450" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24948" PostId="4866" Score="0" Text="MathJax3 handles configuration options in a significantly different way from MathJax2.7, and the mechanism for reprocessing content that has changed is also different.  This causes pain in contexts where MathJax is embedded in some other large framework.  That applies to Moodle, for example.  I don't know whether it applies to the StackExchange framework." CreationDate="2021-02-03T22:56:20.400" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="24952" PostId="4866" Score="7" Text="@DavidESpeyer: This is off-topic, but let me mention that for setting part of an equation in 'text' font, one should typically use `\text{}`, `\textrm{}`, `\mathrm{}` or AMS `\OperatorName{}` rather than `\mbox{}`. See [this answer on TeX.SE](https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/70641) for a detailed discussion." CreationDate="2021-02-04T09:03:32.560" UserId="108637" />
  <row Id="24954" PostId="4866" Score="0" Text="The usual thing I am using these commands for is things like $\{ n : n \ \mbox{squarefree and divisible by at least $3$ primes} \}$, where I want to use normal text mode spacing inside the box." CreationDate="2021-02-04T12:13:10.063" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24955" PostId="4866" Score="0" Text="Or $(1+1/n)^n = \exp(n (1+1/n-1/(2n^2) + (\mbox{lower order terms})))$." CreationDate="2021-02-04T12:16:49.237" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="24956" PostId="4866" Score="4" Text="Looks like I might just want `\text`, I'll play with that." CreationDate="2021-02-04T12:26:17.890" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="25039" PostId="4866" Score="1" Text="@DavidESpeyer afaik you may put any kind of TeX code inside `\text`" CreationDate="2021-02-09T19:37:52.923" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25058" PostId="4866" Score="0" Text="As for amscd, this is something that has been added do KaTeX recently, I don't know when it will be officially released but it works on this preview page: https://deploy-preview-2396--katex.netlify.app/" CreationDate="2021-02-12T19:32:40.373" UserId="136794" />
  <row Id="25059" PostId="4866" Score="0" Text="Also one of the breaking changes for switching to MathJax 3 was line breaking which is still not supported there... that should be critical to SE sites, see Davide Cervone's comments here https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/30901/switch-to-mathjax-version-3" CreationDate="2021-02-12T19:38:13.850" UserId="136794" />
  <row Id="24958" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="Are you thinking about something similar to the &quot;talk&quot; section associated with every Wikipedia page?" CreationDate="2021-02-04T17:12:59.880" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24959" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi Maybe, but I have been a Wikipedia end user for a long time and have never seen a &quot;talk section&quot;.  Moreover, navigating to a page and spending a minute trying to find this &quot;talk section&quot; did not yield anything.  The solution I have in mind would be much more prominently displayed (like a link at the bottom of each post which takes you to something which looks like a Reddit discussion forum)." CreationDate="2021-02-04T17:21:31.193" UserId="1106" />
  <row Id="24960" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="The &quot;talk&quot; section of Wikipedia is at the top left, close to &quot;article&quot;. For instance&#xA;&#xA;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AMathOverflow" CreationDate="2021-02-04T17:27:13.763" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24962" PostId="4867" Score="3" Text="Ah, I see.  I dislike that the &quot;talk section&quot; is again a wiki.  Being able to edit other peoples comments is not good for a conversation (but IS good for the QA main site).  Also I really like collapsable threads (as in reddit)." CreationDate="2021-02-04T17:39:19.307" UserId="1106" />
  <row Id="24965" PostId="4867" Score="1" Text="I find this idea striking and very interesting. I'm having trouble visualizing it, though. Maybe just because in my mind's eye I'm overlaying the look and feel of reddit onto MO and it just clashes horribly. Would you have the threaded discussion on a separate page, or would it somehow all be collapsible or something on the same page? In the first case, I imagine it feeling disjointed; in the second I imagine it feeling crammed in. For an extreme example, I imagine something like [this question](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/382270) could have benefited from such a format." CreationDate="2021-02-05T01:56:33.103" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="24966" PostId="4867" Score="1" Text="@TimCampion I was thinking that there could be a &quot;preview&quot; of the top level &quot;reddit&quot; forum comments which would go where the comment section is now.  So for the casual browser, it would look pretty similar to what we have now, the only difference being that only the most useful (upvoted) comments and replies to those comments would be visible from the main site.  There could then be a &quot;contribute to this discussion&quot; link which takes you to the discussion forum for the question." CreationDate="2021-02-05T10:38:10.803" UserId="1106" />
  <row Id="24968" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="@StevenGubkin That makes sense. Actually, this could address two things that AT0 pointed out about comments. 1.) It would be nice for comments to provide more of the flexibility necessary for an organic conversation and 2.) Because everything is recorded permanently, comments one might regret later are stuck out there prominently for everybody to see (unless someone takes the time to delete them)." CreationDate="2021-02-05T21:28:50.537" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25002" PostId="4867" Score="4" Text="Of course I am not representative but I personally *loathe* threaded chat. I like my conversations to be in one continuous, meandering flow, rather that in an infinitely branching tree. Of course preferences can vary, but I wouldn't be so quick to embrace a &quot;reddit-like&quot; interface." CreationDate="2021-02-07T18:48:48.257" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="24969" PostId="4868" Score="3" Text="In the early days there was a lot of effort put into encouraging people to upvote often, that does seem to have slipped.  Getting back to encouraging more upvoting might be something we can do." CreationDate="2021-02-06T03:16:35.400" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="24970" PostId="4868" Score="2" Text="&quot;One gets the sense &quot;Some of the world's top mathematicians are listening; don't waste their time.&quot; Your opinion is your opinion, your perception is your perception. I respect them, but please do not confuse them with facts or truths." CreationDate="2021-02-06T06:12:43.170" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24971" PostId="4868" Score="2" Text="That said, It seems to me that &quot;There is nothing you can do, because you are just a bunch of elitist gatekeepers&quot; is not exactly the best way to start a constructive discussion." CreationDate="2021-02-06T06:20:09.540" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24972" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi For sake of clarification: in your first comment, the part in quotation marks is a direct quote from what JDC has written; but in your second comment, the part in quotation marks is only a paraphrase, and a slight exaggeration in my opinion of what JDC is saying" CreationDate="2021-02-06T16:42:23.973" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24973" PostId="4868" Score="4" Text="FWIW, I do think &quot;Its regular users wanted MO to become an elite institution and got their wish&quot; might be extrapolating from particular areas that are (heavily) represented on MO, because this description does not at all fit the behaviour of e.g. Bill Johnson, Fedja, Nik Weaver, and various other (functional) analysts I have observed here." CreationDate="2021-02-06T16:48:22.940" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24974" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="Nevertheless, IMO, at least in the setting of operator algebras, some users who ask repeated questions involving advanced topics on vN alg or Cstar alg would probably benefit from spending a bit more time walking before trying to run; it is no good in the long run if one tries to hoover up all the technical facts one can find about II-1 factors and nuclear Cstar algebras if one is neglecting to think carefully about particular simple-in-the-non-mathematical-sense examples" CreationDate="2021-02-06T16:53:10.080" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="24975" PostId="4868" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi: yes, they are two different uses of the quotation marks. Regarding the second comment, I have re-read JDC's answer and it seems to me (I might be wrong) that my paraphrase is exaggerated in the form, but not in the substance." CreationDate="2021-02-06T17:19:50.433" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24976" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi: I can say little about the functional analysis questions on the site in general, but have only seen good interactions from one of the posters you mention. What I was trying to convey was a general sense I'd gotten over the course of many years, which doesn't necessarily represent most even of the heaviest users (and probably no user all the time). It nevertheless makes me hesitate every time I ask a question, even when I believe I am likely to get a good answer." CreationDate="2021-02-06T19:43:17.030" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24977" PostId="4868" Score="6" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: I think &quot;one gets the sense&quot; unambiguously signals that what follows is a subjective perception, which I am presuming is shared with at least some other people who do not choose to participate on the site, but I will try to take into account in any future discussion your useful admonition that I do not personally hold the key to universal truth." CreationDate="2021-02-06T20:22:58.417" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24978" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: It's a fair cop that stating I don't believe MO could change so as to attract more grad students isn't the beginning to a constructive discussion leading to an influx of grad students, but that's sort of tautological, isn't it?" CreationDate="2021-02-06T20:23:31.413" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24979" PostId="4868" Score="2" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: In my opinion, MO has evolved to be the way it is because an important part of the community wants it to be this way, and I don't see how that would not continue. Judging from your responses, I would imagine you are happy with that." CreationDate="2021-02-06T20:25:37.793" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24980" PostId="4868" Score="12" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: I honestly read your response as symptomatic of the dynamic I tried, however imperfectly, to describe. A poster asked about how the site could attract grad students, and I said what I thought scared grad students away was, beyond a certain culture regarding voting and a certain style of response, a sort of quality-control mechanism that leads to capable people writing themselves and their questions off as unqualified or low-quality; and your response was, in only mild paraphrase, &quot;Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-02-06T20:48:12.820" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24981" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: Obviously your opinion about the site matters in a way that mine does not, and you want to defend a project you are invested in. If it's your take that MO is doing what it needs to do, which seems plausible to me based on what I've seen, and if other prominent members of the community feel as you do, it seems difficult to me envision changes being implemented that would gradually lead to increased graduate student participation." CreationDate="2021-02-06T20:49:20.647" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24982" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="In one of the linked questions, there was an string of comments that (to me) amounted to the following argument: If anyone, for whatever reason, has been dissuaded from participating, then either they don't belong here or they are wrong to feel that way. Either way, it looks like the problem has solved itself." CreationDate="2021-02-06T20:49:55.433" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24983" PostId="4868" Score="3" Text="Well, saying that this is your opinion (and, again, I respect it) was not intended to be dismissive; I just wanted to say that, as a matter of fact, there are also graduate students using MO and feeling comfortable with it. Regarding my opinion, instead, useful and constructive discussions pass through *proposals*; saying &quot;the problem is not fixable because you like the statu quo&quot; just brings nowhere." CreationDate="2021-02-06T21:06:51.033" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24984" PostId="4868" Score="2" Text="It is reasonable to suggest that questions should be upvoted more --- for example, the move from 5 points per upvote for a question to 10 points now goes in that direction.  But it seems to me unreasonable to impute reasons for why (some) answers are upvoted more.  For example, it could simply be that many people who had a similar question found the answer helpful.  In general it may be helpful if we all gave each other the benefit of the doubt in our interactions." CreationDate="2021-02-06T23:14:17.607" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24986" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@Lucia: I don't see what reasons were imputed beyond the desire to reward, or not, questions and answers that are or are not what users want to see. If we replace the words in my subjective impression of the message that winds up coming across, &quot;great answer to a stupid question,&quot; with the more clinical &quot;an answer generally found useful to a question not found useful,&quot; the effect remains the same. Indeed, the effect is the same independent of whatever the voters' intentions are. But this may not respond to what you are trying to say; I think it's more likely I've missed your point entirely." CreationDate="2021-02-07T02:07:34.550" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24987" PostId="4868" Score="3" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi This is a genuine question: what does it mean, to you, that you respect my opinion? You've said it twice now, so it seems it's important to you to say, but I don't know what it means, in context." CreationDate="2021-02-07T02:08:25.683" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24988" PostId="4868" Score="3" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: I'm aware that there are grad students who use MO comfortably and successfully. I've met some of them at conferences (there were none in the department where I earned my degree) and recognized their names. But I feel you're replying to a quantitative question with an existence result. It seems safe to assume from the existence of the question that it's not enough for the original poster that there merely do exist some such people, but if this feels dispositive to you... well, are there enough for you? I'd like to understand where you're coming from." CreationDate="2021-02-07T02:15:59.867" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24989" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@Francesco Polizzi I remembered from when I first glanced earlier a comment about assuming bad faith, which I don't seem to be finding now, but in case that needs a response, I believe the poster of this question is in complete earnest, and it seems clear from these threads that several other people agree. No one needs to be arguing in bad faith for there to be a majority of the more active users happy with current participation levels." CreationDate="2021-02-07T02:29:44.137" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24990" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@jdc:  I don't see how &quot;the effect remains the same.&quot;  In any case, as I see it, MO is either useful to people or not.  Anyone can read the answers and benefit from them --- I frequently do and learn from it.  If one has a question, I understand that there might be hesitations with how one is perceived, but I would think that the real question is whether one would benefit mathematically from asking the question here.  In general I think no one is mean or disrespectful to askers, and it's worth taking a chance to learn.  Or students can ask anonymously too." CreationDate="2021-02-07T02:34:27.457" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24991" PostId="4868" Score="3" Text="@Francesco Polizzi As for whether saying this is &quot;constructive,&quot; I would say AT0's much better answer, which I agree with in its entirety, comes closer. At the end AT0 suggests that if it did want to attract grad students, the community would need to be willing to make changes, and said it would need to decide that for itself. It may not be constructive to admit this, but a lot of this conversation has suggested the answer is no." CreationDate="2021-02-07T02:35:39.087" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24992" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="I think we should make every effort to make sure that the site is professional, respectful, decent and never mean.  But it may not be always possible for a site to be welcoming, warm, friendly, or encouraging.   I think the first goal can be achieved by users flagging undesirable behavior.  There may be a large cultural diversity online which makes the second goal much harder." CreationDate="2021-02-07T02:37:00.263" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24993" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@Lucia: It's wonderful that you enjoy this site so much. For my part, I read it, less frequently, and learn from it here and there as well, and have benefitted mathematically from answers to questions I've asked here, but am still uncomfortable posting. Based on your response, I think I misunderstood at all what the line &quot;It seems to me unreasonable to impute reasons for why (some) answers are upvoted more&quot; meant. Could you please explain in other words?" CreationDate="2021-02-07T02:40:32.253" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24994" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@jdc:  Just your interpreting the fact that some answers are upvoted more than questions as the judgement &quot;Great answer to a stupid question.&quot;  No one is passing that judgement as far as I can tell." CreationDate="2021-02-07T02:42:16.413" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24995" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@Lucia: I see. I have no way of telling what people's judgments are unless they voice them explicitly, and doubt most users do their clicking in such a calculated way. The impression I mentioned is a subjective reaction. By saying the effect was the same, I meant that when someone sees the responses were worth much more to the community than their question, the psychological effect is independent of what users &quot;meant&quot; by upvoting only the answers. For people with high confidence in their mathematical abilities, this may be no issue, but generically, I think it constitutes a disincentive." CreationDate="2021-02-07T02:57:38.933" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="24996" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@jdc:  Obviously one cannot tell.  Hence my suggestion that we give each other the benefit of the doubt.  So long as people are being respectful and professional, we may simply assume good or neutral intent and move on.  And as for your comment on confidence, again my suggestion is for students to worry only  about what they learn mathematically, and to post  anonymously if that is an issue." CreationDate="2021-02-07T03:03:40.357" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="24997" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@jdc: &quot;This is a genuine question: what does it mean, to you, that you respect my opinion?&quot; The usual thing: we can disagree with someone, without necessarily thinking that their opinion is worthless." CreationDate="2021-02-07T07:59:29.823" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24998" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="At any rate, it is not clear to me why, in this alleged dysfunctional relationship, the fault lies with only one. Usually it does not work this way." CreationDate="2021-02-07T08:09:02.483" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="24999" PostId="4868" Score="9" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi I don't think your comments are particularly helpful if you are seeking to counter the argument that people find this site unwelcoming." CreationDate="2021-02-07T17:07:42.443" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25000" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi: I do not think there is much to counter when the other part does not assume that you are in good faith and the only argument is &quot;You are the wrong and furthermore you are not willing to change&quot;. In a couple dynamic, this is precisely the sort of behaviour leading often to divorce." CreationDate="2021-02-07T17:25:45.347" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25004" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@Lucia: That's a fine suggestion, and contributing anonymously to avoid appearing &quot;stupid&quot; in public is wise for a lot of people, but even if no one else know's it's you, it's discouraging to feel one's contributions aren't valued. It would be nice if everyone could only heed what they learn mathematically, but the fact it would make life easier doesn't mean it's psychologically possible. In any event, students can post anonymously now, but on the whole, they don't." CreationDate="2021-02-08T11:47:53.653" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25005" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: The reason why I asked what it meant that you respected my opinion is that as far as I can tell, you seem to believe it consists entirely of a series of intemperate and ungrounded attacks—i.e., worthless. Taking you at your word that you do respect it, it's hard to imagine how you'd respond differently if you didn't." CreationDate="2021-02-08T11:54:22.903" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25006" PostId="4868" Score="5" Text="As it is, I'm not able to claim &quot;you are wrong,&quot; because most of what you have said amounts to taking issue with the tone of the original post. I don't, however, understand the claim I am accusing of you of being in bad faith. It's perfectly possible to be of the school &quot;the institution is not in need of reform&quot; and wear one's convictions on one's sleeve. I've taken you to be of this school based on your taking care to point out &quot;there exist grad students&quot; and your consistently defensive posture, but I don't know." CreationDate="2021-02-08T12:02:12.160" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25007" PostId="4868" Score="2" Text="This is why I asked if you, personally, would want more graduate participation on the site. I genuinely do not know where you are coming from. If it's my position that change is not possible, and it's yours that change is not needed (but in principle, would be possible), it doesn't seem like we disagree on very much in practical terms, except that you seem keen to personalize this by saying it is a personal failing that I do not find MO inviting. Even then, apart from the implication that it is my fault, we both agree I do not belong here." CreationDate="2021-02-08T12:09:11.950" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25008" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@&quot;and your consistently defensive posture&quot; Please do not play this game with me. I have no reason to defend myself, since  my behaviour here has always been completely professional and crystal-clear. So, this time I really do not understand what you are talking about." CreationDate="2021-02-08T12:09:24.037" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25009" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@jdc: &quot;we both agree I do not belong here&quot;. And please do not put in my mouth things I have never said. Thank you." CreationDate="2021-02-08T12:11:01.663" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25010" PostId="4868" Score="5" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: I feel you are very invested in this site, and feel that my original response and everything since then constitutes an attack on the site, community, what have you, and feel the need to defend the site. It seems to me to roughly be your stance that things are fine and the site has been traduced, and that you want to stand up for it. I did not mean to imply anything about defending yourself." CreationDate="2021-02-08T12:12:21.843" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25011" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: &quot;At any rate, it is not clear to me why, in this alleged dysfunctional relationship, the fault lies with only one.&quot; If you do not mean it is the fault of non-users (particularly, me) when they do not want to contribute to MO, what is it you mean?" CreationDate="2021-02-08T12:14:34.010" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25013" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@jdc Of course nothing personal was intended. But if you write &quot;Its regular users wanted MO to become an elite institution and got their wish&quot;, you are saying that all the responsibility is on the MO users, and this is not completely clear to me. Maybe some of the people criticising the &quot;elitism&quot; of MO simply did not put enough effort to get familiar with the site scope and mechanism, why should I exclude a priori this possibility? –" CreationDate="2021-02-08T12:36:06.500" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25014" PostId="4868" Score="15" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi I think it would have been a lot more professional to not try to tell the OP that they were wrong.  Your behavior comes off as very hostile to me, and if you can't see why, then you need to look more carefully at it.  Obviously the description of the attitude of MO users as a whole doesn't characterize everyone, and I think it's too pessimistic about the great body of MO users.  But the constructive thing to do is to think about why the OP has that impression, not to just keep telling them that they are wrong and acting insulted." CreationDate="2021-02-08T14:59:11.590" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="25015" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@BenWebster: I take note of your observations. However, I still do not see my behaviour as hostile. I said twice that I respect the way how the OP is feeling. But I cannot say that I agree with a sentence like &quot;Its regular users wanted MO to become an elite institution and got their wish&quot;, that is not written as an impression, but as an affirmation.  I am not acting insulted, I am just saying that I do not see concrete evidences for this affirmation. I think that in a civil conversation one is allowed to politely express his dissent." CreationDate="2021-02-08T15:14:23.410" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25017" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="Dear jdc:  this is in response to your last comment that it may be difficult psychologically to make mistakes even if anonymously.  I agree that this can be an issue for some students.  In general I think students should be encouraged to make mistakes, and not worry about it too much.  This is of course much easier said than done.   But I do think it is overall beneficial if a student can grow in confidence, and not worry about how they seem to others.  While this is difficult in a classroom setting, it may be easier (not easy, just easier) to do this anonymously on MO?  Less to lose here." CreationDate="2021-02-08T16:08:22.090" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25018" PostId="4868" Score="2" Text="@jdc Thank you for giving your honest impression and contributing to the discussion!" CreationDate="2021-02-08T23:04:35.540" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="25019" PostId="4868" Score="2" Text="Re: &quot;At any rate, it is not clear to me why, in this alleged dysfunctional relationship, the fault lies with only one. Usually it does not work this way.&quot; I don't think this analogy really applies here. We are discussing a group of potential users who have actively decided not to engage in a relationship with mathoverflow in the first place, i.e., the analogy should not be with a dysfunctional relationship, but rather with the absence of a relationship." CreationDate="2021-02-08T23:10:14.347" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="25020" PostId="4868" Score="7" Text="More generally, a number of comments here and elsewhere (by a number of people) seem to be taking the perspective &quot;Well, if [the grad students under discussion] ignored any initial negative feedback and kept actively engaging with MO, they would be better off.&quot; I do believe that this is true in some cases (not all). But whether it is true or not seems mostly irrelevant to me. The goals of this question are to increase the number of grad students and to better understand why the current number is low. The aforementioned perspective does not help accomplish either goal." CreationDate="2021-02-08T23:17:39.110" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="25022" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="Maybe part of the conflict here is that this question can be read as &quot;How can we give the gift of MO to more grad students?&quot; which was certainly part of the intention. But another part was &quot;I think MO would benefit from having more young question-askers. For our sake, how can we get more of them?&quot;" CreationDate="2021-02-08T23:29:08.890" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="25024" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@dhy: &quot;dysfunctional&quot; means &quot;non-functional&quot;. In an optimal situation, a functional relationship between MO and graduate students would see the latter read the site and use it, both as askers and as answerers. Many of them, instead, (included the OP) tell us that they read the site and learn from it, but do not feel like asking (or answer) and have the impression that the site is not-welcoming. In my opinion there is no absence of relation, but rather a relation that does not work in an optimal way (for reasons not yet fully clear), and so I used that term." CreationDate="2021-02-09T06:12:48.970" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25025" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="Although I am sympathetic with the OP feelings and I hope that we can help improving their experience with MO, I find their perspective too pessimistic and bitter. In particular, regarding the last paragraph, I do not think that the problem is not &quot;fixable&quot; (otherwise, what is the point of discussing it?) and I do not agree with the OP's affirmation that MO users as a whole keep (intentionally?) an exclusivist attitude." CreationDate="2021-02-09T06:29:17.407" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25027" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@Lucia: The anonymity is welcome, but (thinking back to when I was a grad student) the difference is that 1. my classmates were nonthreatening because they were in the same boat, inexperienced and lacking confidence, and 2. I cared less what they thought. If a student takes MO as representing mathematics as a profession and it appears no one thinks their contribution is valuable, that's actually harder than if one of your classmates is discouraging. I agree it would be nice if people could simply not mind that sort of experience, and I think MO is presently suitable for that sort of student." CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:01:39.160" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25028" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: The ways I see this could be wrong are 1. MO is not an elite institution, or 2. it is, but its users did not wish it to become so. I think 1 is hard to argue based on current user base and the fact people are asking questions like dhy's. As for 2, it does sometimes happen that things don't happen by design. It's merely my impression that the sort of user who winds up becoming an administrator is, by and large, happy with the user base as it is. Would you be any happier if I put &quot;It seems to me that&quot; before the offending line?" CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:16:04.937" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25029" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: I don't think many people criticize the &quot;elitism&quot; of MO at all. I think most mathematicians just interact with it as little as I do or less. But it does seem to me you're saying it's largely on them. If so, then there's not much that can be done to change that by administrators here, but that would seem to put you closer to the pessimistic &quot;nothing can be done&quot; position you've been voicing such vociferous polite disagreement with." CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:20:10.700" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25030" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@jdc: if you put &quot;It seems to me that&quot; before that line, it becomes a personal opinion, hence a purely legitimate one. I hope you agree with me that, in this case, my dissenting opinion  is equally legitimate." CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:22:26.103" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25031" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@jdc: I have to confess that I did not understand very well your last comment. What do you mean by &quot;But it does seem to me you're saying it's largely on them&quot;? Actually, I never said this. I just said that *perhaps* *some* users could put more effort in getting familiar with the site mechanism, that is a different thing: it is an hypothesis, and there is no &quot;largely&quot; involved." CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:26:18.550" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25032" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="In other words, I am not excluding that some potentially good questions are not well-received, and this is surely something we should change. On the other hand, if some question is not well-received, this does not automatically mean that it is potentially good." CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:30:30.883" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25033" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: With the &quot;perhaps&quot; and &quot;some&quot; it certainly becomes an easy hypothesis to validate; but then if it's not a very large group, it doesn't do much to address dhy's original question. I suspect that the tendency of large groups of mathematicians to avoid the site is more to do with the (perceived) culture of the site and social-psychological factors than the mechanisms per se, and that's why I think it is a much harder problem to solve than merely a tweak to the guidelines or interface." CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:31:46.670" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25034" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: I don't think I've ever said disagreement with my opinion is illegitimate. I've honestly been sort of confused about the nature of the conversation we've been having. At one point you claimed I'd &quot;put words in [your] mouth,&quot; and I've thought about the extent to which I've done that and if so, why I have. What I think it is is that I've been guessing at your actual position; you seemed to keep steering things around to the &quot;elite institution&quot; line. Would *you* want more grad students here?" CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:33:05.097" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25035" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@jdc: of course I want more graduate students here. Regarding &quot;putting words in my mouth&quot;, at a certain point you wrote &quot;we both agree I do not belong here&quot;. Well, I *never* dared to say that someone does not belong to MO (or to any other place, actually), and still I do not understand why you wrote this." CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:38:42.700" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25036" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: Thank you for telling me that. I genuinely wasn't sure. As for my not belonging here, the line I was responding to was that it was atypical that in an &quot;alleged dysfunctional relationship, the fault lies with only one.&quot; This seemed to me to suggest it was, at least partially, my fault if I did not feel comfortable at MO. To me the obvious reading after that was that I was the wrong sort of person, but I suppose there's another reading, that I should be comfortable at MO, and I was just—regrettably, but in a way that is partially my own fault—unaware of it." CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:52:02.990" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25038" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@jdc: This is not the reading. In much simpler terms, I wanted just to say that, when there is a disagreement, it seldom happens that right and wrong are all on one side. This was a general consideration, it was not personally directed to you. Probably my choice of the metaphor was not optimal here, I apologize if this made you feel called upon." CreationDate="2021-02-09T16:33:31.293" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25040" PostId="4868" Score="3" Text="I very much appreciate this answer. But I'd like to push back against &quot;It's merely my impression that the sort of user who winds up becoming an administrator is, by and large, happy with the user base as it is.&quot; It may be a reasonable impression, but it is not true, from my experience with the moderators, at least. I don't know what you mean by &quot;administrator&quot;, but if you mean &quot;high-MO-reputation-point user&quot;, then certainly there is a broad range of views in that category. I've seen people who are very much trying to work on getting MO to be easier to approach, and those who don't want change." CreationDate="2021-02-10T02:06:22.783" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25041" PostId="4868" Score="4" Text="I also doubt you'll find anyone who will admit they are happy with the massive gender imbalance here, female mathematicians participating under an anon-/pseudonymous account notwithstanding. (This is, I know, not a matter of elitism or career progression, but it probably has similar roots, so I think it at least partially relevant). Certainly, if people off-site are getting the impression that the people &quot;running&quot; the show (to the extent they exist, this is really just an emergent system) are happy with the culture there, then that is a meta-problem of perception." CreationDate="2021-02-10T02:09:44.510" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25042" PostId="4868" Score="5" Text="MO can be confronting, but the perception that the big shots on MO *want* it how it is probably only contributes to the reticence of eg grad students, even when it's not true. Certainly there are outspoken people who see no or little problem with the system as-is. There are also people on MO with. IRL reputations who would like things to work better, but who may not be making as much noise. How we can change the perception, as well as try to overcome the participation hurdle, is important. Thanks again for speaking up. I hope you get my drift, and don't take it as a &quot;not all MOers&quot; fobbing off" CreationDate="2021-02-10T02:16:58.850" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25043" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts: I completely agree with you. I admit that the OP's claim about people on MO *wanting* it to be an exclusive site struck a nerve on me, and this caused my somehow excessive reaction. Still, in retrospect, it is something to think about.  Why is there this widespread perception? This is the real conundrum. I looked again at many of the questions/answers in the main site, and I found nothing justifying such a strong claim. Still, the perception is there, so there must be something wrong in our everyday attitude that I do not see. I confess that this is really a mystery to me." CreationDate="2021-02-10T06:56:37.277" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25044" PostId="4868" Score="4" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi it's not a mystery to me why the perception exists, I can see how a person could quite reasonably form such a view. I just wanted to try to reassure jdc that some people are pushing back against what might be causes, because they really do want to improve the chances of grad students feeling comfortable in participating in MO. I can only speak for myself, but I could definitely have put a bit more work in the past into my role in community-based moderation, to foster a sense that while some Qs aren't welcome here, many more—and their askers—really are." CreationDate="2021-02-10T10:09:24.490" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25045" PostId="4868" Score="3" Text="@DavidRoberts: I do not know, probably we have different sensibilities. I agree that occasionally there can be some unfortunate behavior (as happens in all big communities), but still I do not see how there can be the perception that the community as a whole has an exclusivist point of view. I looked at many posts, and it seems to me that nowadays the great majority of reasonable questions  asked by new users are well-received, and that there is an evident effort to welcome new people. But it is surely possible that my check missed the point." CreationDate="2021-02-10T10:21:40.437" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25046" PostId="4868" Score="2" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi I think perhaps more effort is being made now. I really hope so! There are ten years' worth of history and reputation to overcome, though. There are grad students now who where just starting high school when MO got going, and who grew up into mathematics with MO looming on the horizon, with whispered rumours of how intimidating it is." CreationDate="2021-02-10T10:54:50.283" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25049" PostId="4868" Score="2" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi, given that you have 20 comments here, the discussion might be clearer if you put some of them into an answer on their own." CreationDate="2021-02-11T00:50:16.743" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25051" PostId="4868" Score="3" Text="@MattF: I wrote a short answer" CreationDate="2021-02-11T11:27:20.643" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25056" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="@dhy: Sorry for having been so negative. Despite my admitted pessimism, I'm encouraged the question was asked at all." CreationDate="2021-02-11T20:58:08.427" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25057" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts: I don't know what I mean by &quot;administator&quot; either (it's clear I don't really know how the site is organized). I really appreciate your response and am glad to hear a substantial proportion of high-reputation users are interested in outreach, for lack of a better word." CreationDate="2021-02-11T21:02:37.947" UserId="5792" />
  <row Id="25060" PostId="4869" Score="6" Text="That is fantastic news! Perhaps this will increase pressure for [Mathscinet to follow suit](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/13619/is-a-free-alternative-to-mathscinet-possible)." CreationDate="2021-02-12T20:31:42.067" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25021" PostId="4870" Score="1" Text="+1: Thank you for your perspective (and for the sentence beginning &quot;The fact that I like this site has heavily to do with the fact that I am a masochist...,&quot; it made me laugh.)" CreationDate="2021-02-08T23:20:30.370" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="25023" PostId="4870" Score="3" Text="One downvote is enough to keep a question off the front page? I thought it took more than that." CreationDate="2021-02-09T03:48:26.057" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="25026" PostId="4870" Score="0" Text="In this precise moment, I see a question with score -1, one with score -6, one with score -4 and one with score -3 on my front page (in the &quot;newest&quot; section)." CreationDate="2021-02-09T11:35:38.590" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25048" PostId="4870" Score="1" Text="(It's not about MO or the main question, but: Regardless of the motivation for giving lectures or talks without preparation, it's not nice to the audience.)" CreationDate="2021-02-11T00:43:43.627" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25052" PostId="4870" Score="4" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi As far as I know, this is the only place where low score hides questions: https://mathoverflow.net/ They won't be hidden if you're here: https://mathoverflow.net/questions (regardless of whether you use the newest tab or the active tab). More details can be found here: [How does Stack Overflow determine for how long to keep a question in the main page?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/106979) - the threshold is -4 on main and -8 on meta. Negative score is also a factor for [roomba](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba)." CreationDate="2021-02-11T11:45:28.760" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25053" PostId="4870" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak oh, so the threshold is -4 ? Well, there goes the &quot;one customary downvote to make it less visible&quot; theory. But I guess the roomba clean-up is relevant: a Q might not be closed, but be so borderline that at least some people voted and at least one downvoted, so it won't stick around permanently" CreationDate="2021-02-11T12:41:37.567" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25054" PostId="4870" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you for clarifying, I'll edit the post." CreationDate="2021-02-11T14:14:20.793" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25055" PostId="4871" Score="4" Text="Thank you for writing this up as an answer. I think that despite various disagreements along the way, there is a lot of common ground presented here." CreationDate="2021-02-11T16:58:12.397" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25062" PostId="4873" Score="4" Text="Discussions on [meta.se] which seem related: [Starting a bounty immediately when a question becomes visible](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/210486) and [Bounties and Delete 2 Days Requirement](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/266131)." CreationDate="2021-02-13T00:08:35.890" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25063" PostId="4873" Score="5" Text="This seems self limiting, since bounties spend down rep quickly. I don't think we need to worry about this until someone actually starts abusing it regularly." CreationDate="2021-02-13T03:01:32.860" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="25064" PostId="4873" Score="4" Text="Some previous posts on this meta related to closing and bounties: [Using bounty to prevent a question from being closed](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2067), [Why can't we close questions that have a bounty?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3229), [Nominate bountied question for closure](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4559)." CreationDate="2021-02-13T08:16:36.107" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25065" PostId="4873" Score="2" Text="a comment in a [linked post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/210486/starting-a-bounty-immediately-when-a-question-becomes-visible) seems appropriate:  _&quot;if someone did this to try to keep a poor quality question open all you'd need to do is flag the question and a mod would refund the bounty and close the question.&quot;_ I also note that the [question](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/383579/which-great-mathematicians-were-also-historians-of-mathematics) that prompted the post here on meta was reasonably well received, not of the type that would require moderator intervention, I think." CreationDate="2021-02-13T14:18:10.147" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25076" PostId="4873" Score="1" Text="To asses whether this is actually a problem, it might be useful to have some data. I have posted at least some queries showing questions which were both undeleted and bountied [in the MO chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/bounty-after-undeleting). (Although those queries can certainly be improved in various ways.)" CreationDate="2021-02-16T13:34:20.087" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25066" PostId="4874" Score="1" Text="this is the only question of yours that has been closed on MSE, isn't it? so I'm unsure what you mean by your &quot;not having had much success with the Mathematics Stack Exchange community&quot;." CreationDate="2021-02-13T22:26:38.797" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25070" PostId="4879" Score="5" Text="Somewhat related (but not the same) question on [math.meta.se]: [How to obtain the math.SE network whose edges are linked questions?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/16697) Maybe somebody familiar with Mathematica would be able to say whether it could be useful here: [Studying the MathOverflow data dump with Mathematica](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4113)." CreationDate="2021-02-15T17:20:34.593" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25071" PostId="4879" Score="3" Text="Some older posts with links to various resources studying MO: [On Mathematical Analysis of MathSciNet &amp; MathOverflow](https://mathoverflow.net/q/301299), [Papers, articles, books and other resources discussing MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4114). But I did not notice there something related specifically to the linked questions." CreationDate="2021-02-16T12:45:08.950" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25091" PostId="4879" Score="1" Text="The paper &quot;Social achievement and centrality in MathOverflow&quot;, Complex Networks IV, Studies in Computational Intelligence Volume 476, 2013, 27-38 by Leydi Viviana Montoya, Athen Ma and Raul J. Mondragón, studying something like this graph, was mentioned in [an answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1896/41291) to my question [&quot;Is MO connected?&quot;](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1894/41291)." CreationDate="2021-02-21T12:35:08.567" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25072" PostId="4880" Score="0" Text="I see that the query uses UNION to solve the problem that the PostLinks table is not symmetric (+1)." CreationDate="2021-02-16T12:54:18.240" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25073" PostId="4880" Score="0" Text="I just wanted to check whether I understand correctly understand the PostLinks table - it contains only the questions shown as the linked posts, not all links, right?  Linked questions can be [missing for various reasons](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/287417/why-does-a-question-sometimes-not-appear-among-the-linked-questions), in the case of MO this is likely the case for [many posts before 2013](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4585/retroactively-add-linked-questions)." CreationDate="2021-02-16T12:56:21.267" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25074" PostId="4880" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I remember I had to ask rene why my cross-site query with `UNION` did not work as expected. It turns out I needed `UNION ALL` ... And your observation about old linked posts is correct. I'm pretty sure that's not doable without scraping the website / API and extract all the links." CreationDate="2021-02-16T13:01:05.290" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="25078" PostId="4880" Score="1" Text="All roads lead to polymath, it seems. But that just might be a common false belief. In either case, that seems like an open problem that is easy to explain, and solving it would involve important formulas from combinatorics." CreationDate="2021-02-16T19:46:23.977" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25079" PostId="4881" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the response - I think it is worth considering posting this as a separate *question* rather than answer, for several reasons. Firstly, it is about a different topic - the question at hand about the modal window for the first-time askers, your post is about the help-center. Moreover, in that way it would be more likely that you post gets more attention: 1) If it is tagged (discussion) and gets to the score +3, it would get into the community bulletin. 2) Every new question is posted into the moderator inbox for every moderator. 3) If you tag it as ([meta-tag:feature-request]), ..." CreationDate="2021-02-18T01:28:46.983" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25080" PostId="4881" Score="1" Text="... you're more likely to get some attention from the CMs. (However, the attention from the MO mods is probably more important here, AFAICT this is a part of the help center which [can be edited by the moderators](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/259914).) Speaking of tags, ([meta-tag:help-center]) would be suitable too. Another advantage of separate question would be more space for feedback from other users. (In this way, it can only be posted in comments under the answer.)" CreationDate="2021-02-18T01:28:53.007" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25634" PostId="4881" Score="2" Text="Please post this suggestion as a separate meta question. It deserves proper attention." CreationDate="2021-04-22T01:43:22.907" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25709" PostId="4881" Score="2" Text="Just in case somebody stumbles upon this old post, I'll mention at least here in comments that now there is a separate question: [Revising the help page on “What topics can I ask around here?”](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5011)" CreationDate="2021-04-25T15:38:34.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25083" PostId="4883" Score="2" Text="[meta.se]: [Please include the title in the question preview](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/115247). [math.meta.se]: [Why not add the title of the question in the preview while writing it?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/25252) and [Latex preview on question title?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/20248)" CreationDate="2021-02-19T02:40:28.870" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25089" PostId="4883" Score="0" Text="Seeing that the question linked in the previous comment is about titles in general and this is a problem mainly on the sites with MathJax, I have posted a new feature request on [meta.se]: [Show a preview of the title when editing/asking - at least on the MathJax sites](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/361217)" CreationDate="2021-02-21T07:34:21.677" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25092" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="An obvious answer is &quot;don't use `*` as a label&quot;, which will certainly mitigate the problem, but my point is more about the preview not matching the rendered post than working around this specific parsing issue." CreationDate="2021-02-21T18:28:52.890" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25106" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="Your equation in the question looks OK when I first come here, but goes bad when I edit." CreationDate="2021-02-27T11:46:14.627" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="25094" PostId="4885" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the test!  I'm sure it's my fault, but I can't parse it—what does &quot;following an edit with no re-render of the whole page&quot; mean?" CreationDate="2021-02-23T13:28:10.680" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25095" PostId="4885" Score="0" Text="If you think that exercising this with specific LaTeX in the main post would help, then I would be happy to do so." CreationDate="2021-02-23T13:28:34.273" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25096" PostId="4885" Score="0" Text="After an edit, if what you see is wrong, re-load the page.  That fixes it." CreationDate="2021-02-23T13:31:24.063" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="25098" PostId="4885" Score="0" Text="@‍GeraldEdgar, re-loading doesn't seem to fix https://mathoverflow.net/revisions/384561/2 ." CreationDate="2021-02-23T14:40:05.887" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25099" PostId="4885" Score="1" Text="I think your oroginal solution is it: do not use * or ** as labels.  (They are OK as tags.) I changed it to use labels  not conflicting with markdown." CreationDate="2021-02-23T15:26:53.283" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="25107" PostId="4885" Score="0" Text="[That](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4884/previewed-post-does-not-match-rendered-post-when-mathjax-uses#comment25099_4885) certainly fixes this specific problem, but it doesn't fix the problem of preview not matching rendered text, which was my complaint.  In this case, since we're *trying* to reproduce the problem, I'm not sure what's gained by changing the labels so as not to reproduce it." CreationDate="2021-02-27T14:05:37.317" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25114" PostId="4885" Score="0" Text="As @AntonGeraschenko [suggests](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4888), it seems that the problem is only exercised by a *pair* of asterisks in a paragraph, with some separation between them; e.g., by referencing the equation twice.  Not \eqref{*} …" CreationDate="2021-03-04T19:23:14.163" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25115" PostId="4885" Score="0" Text="… but \eqref{*} and \eqref{*}." CreationDate="2021-03-04T19:23:21.863" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25108" PostId="4887" Score="1" Text="Note: if you click &quot;Follow&quot; under the question, you get notified of any edit to it." CreationDate="2021-02-27T17:23:36.400" UserId="84320" />
  <row Id="25109" PostId="4888" Score="0" Text="Your workarounds definitely do work around the problem, but, as I [mentioned](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4884/previewed-post-does-not-match-rendered-post-when-mathjax-uses#comment25092_4884), that wasn't really my worry—it's very easy to work around the problem once you know it's there.  Anyway, I am almost certain that the problem did *not* show up in the original revision, but I also see what you report, that I cannot now reproduce it.  So maybe I was wrong." CreationDate="2021-03-04T19:17:34.703" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25110" PostId="4888" Score="0" Text="Huh, the &quot;global collision example&quot; I added at the end doesn't produce the behavior I expected. I thought it'd give me a red box with the text `Label '*' multiply defined`, but instead I see a white box with the source in it." CreationDate="2021-03-04T19:17:59.500" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="25111" PostId="4888" Score="0" Text="By the way, I think that labels are scoped to the individual answer, so that no global collision will happen.  (At least, commands are so scoped.)" CreationDate="2021-03-04T19:18:49.537" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25112" PostId="4888" Score="0" Text="@LSpice: does the last equation in my answer look correct to you, or do you see the underlying LaTeX source (as I do)?" CreationDate="2021-03-04T19:20:26.637" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="25113" PostId="4888" Score="0" Text="I see the underlying source." CreationDate="2021-03-04T19:22:22.143" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25116" PostId="4888" Score="1" Text="Curious. That means that both of our guesses about how MathJax is scoping labels must be wrong. If the scope were global (as I had guessed), we'd see the &quot;multiply defined&quot; error, and if the scope were restricted to individual answers (as you had guessed), then we'd see rendered math instead of source." CreationDate="2021-03-04T19:25:17.720" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="25117" PostId="4888" Score="1" Text="Blazing new frontiers of wrongness!" CreationDate="2021-03-04T19:28:37.637" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25120" PostId="4889" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson: Can't you get the moderators to restore your old account?  Or is that just impossible (or something you don't want)?" CreationDate="2021-03-05T05:10:02.560" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25123" PostId="4889" Score="2" Text="@Lucia, probably possible, I do want it, but I don't want it enough to make the effort." CreationDate="2021-03-05T11:31:28.447" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="25124" PostId="4889" Score="1" Text="The Ross program (which is similar to promys and run through Ohio State) also has applications open until April 1st. However, I'm not sure how to screen for those questions, since it doesn't seem they are publicly available until you start the application." CreationDate="2021-03-05T16:36:53.170" UserId="125275" />
  <row Id="25181" PostId="4889" Score="3" Text="#9 was on here and had at least two answers (mine was one of them), but it's gone now.  I'm disappointed to lose points from upvotes on my answer, but removing it is understandable.  Can the problem &amp; answers be reinstated after the application deadline?" CreationDate="2021-03-10T18:20:19.297" UserId="14807" />
  <row Id="25121" PostId="4890" Score="0" Text="Which operating system and browser?" CreationDate="2021-03-05T06:16:09.897" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="25122" PostId="4890" Score="0" Text="Here is link to that particular review: https://mathoverflow.net/review/suggested-edits/144503" CreationDate="2021-03-05T06:23:14.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25125" PostId="4890" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel Safari on Mojave (cringe)." CreationDate="2021-03-05T16:54:50.737" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25126" PostId="4890" Score="0" Text="@AlecRhea thanks. Not sure if that is the problem; I just tried it in Safari on High Sierra and that worked. But it's often useful information to have for the site developers." CreationDate="2021-03-05T17:05:11.277" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="25134" PostId="4890" Score="2" Text="@AlecRhea, SE developers trying out a new 5-valued logic but haven't thought up the 5th value?  :-)" CreationDate="2021-03-07T23:49:02.557" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25127" PostId="4891" Score="4" Text="Link to the FAQ post: [What does “user was removed” mean and why did my reputation change because of it?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/126470) (One think worth pointing out is that deletion of an account does not automatically mean that the votes are removed.) A related feature request - which also contains some useful information: [Don't throw away all votes when a user is deleted](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/125740)." CreationDate="2021-03-05T19:32:58.327" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25128" PostId="4891" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak : Thank you for your comment. I have augmented the post to take your comment into account." CreationDate="2021-03-05T20:18:00.163" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="25130" PostId="4891" Score="10" Text="I suspect part of it is that vote manipulation is something which is difficult to prove. So if the policy required them to make a distinction between cases of vote-manipulation and cases of non-vote-manipulation, they would get dragged down a hideous rabbit hole. My advice would be to remember the timeless adage _don't worry about the &quot;points&quot; too much_." CreationDate="2021-03-07T17:11:55.037" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25131" PostId="4891" Score="1" Text="@TimCampion : Thank you for your comment. However, I am not sure if I can completely follow this logic. It seems to assume quite significant positive correlation between quitting MO on one's own volition and having perpetrated vote manipulation (because I was not talking about user accounts removed for cause). The correlation seems to be assumed significant enough to affect users not even aware of such suspected manipulation. Or am I missing something here?" CreationDate="2021-03-07T22:32:45.170" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="25132" PostId="4891" Score="3" Text="I think @TimCampion's [adage](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4891/rationale-for-reputation-change-on-my-reputation-page-that-says-user-was-remo#comment25130_4891) applies regardless of any correlation or absence of it between a user account being deleted and the appropriateness of that user's votes.  (I would suspect the motivation to be rather that votes should represent the community opinion, and someone no longer in the community no longer has a share in the community opinion; but who can fathom the minds of the SE developers?)" CreationDate="2021-03-07T23:45:57.827" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25133" PostId="4891" Score="4" Text="But, anyway, once one has passed the point of having enough reputation to acquire all desired privileges—which I think 53+K allows, though who knows what undreamt of privileges I don't know about—I think that this is beyond the point of being an issue.  Certainly no one but you and anyone paying unhealthily close attention to your reputation page will know if your reputation goes up or down by anything less than 100 points; and, since the *only* point of reputation is to signal, well, reputation in the community, then who cares?" CreationDate="2021-03-07T23:47:35.913" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25135" PostId="4891" Score="3" Text="@LSpice : Thank you for your comments. (i) The concern &quot;votes should represent the community opinion&quot; seems to be legitimate. However, it is not obvious to me that, especially in this respect, the community must be defined as the set of all current MO subscribers. It seems to make more sense to also include all those who have ever benefited from MO." CreationDate="2021-03-08T01:22:24.393" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="25136" PostId="4891" Score="3" Text="Previous comment continued: (ii) The point here is not about reputation points or privileges per se, even though they are indeed the MO currency. It is about basic fairness. If someone has indeed earned the points by spending time and effort and thus helping other people, is it fair to take those points away (no matter how many of them -- 10, 100, or 1000) just because someone else quit MO (having done nothing illegitimate)?" CreationDate="2021-03-08T01:22:45.757" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="25137" PostId="4891" Score="3" Text="Anent [(i)](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4891/rationale-for-reputation-change-on-my-reputation-page-that-says-user-was-remo#comment25135_4891), I do not mean to advance any position on this myself—indeed, I am in sympathy with the claim that this is not a useful thing to do, although, given the essential meaninglessness of reputation, I also don't think it matters much that it is done—only to speculate (fruitless endeavour) on what lurks in the minds of the SE developers." CreationDate="2021-03-08T01:40:03.270" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25138" PostId="4891" Score="0" Text="Anent [(ii)](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4891/rationale-for-reputation-change-on-my-reputation-page-that-says-user-was-remo#comment25136_4891), I would argue that the only sense in which one has actually gained anything when reputation has gone up is in terms of potentially increased community standing; reputation is literally (not just practically) meaningless for one user in isolation.  Since nothing of value to oneself has been given when one receives reputation, nothing is lost when it is taken away (as long as community perception doesn't change).  But that's just MHO." CreationDate="2021-03-08T01:41:41.987" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25139" PostId="4891" Score="1" Text="In one of your comments you mentioned that you want to &quot;include all those who have ever benefited from MO.&quot; This description would probably fit [anonymous post feedback](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/post-feedback/info) slightly better than reputation and score. Anonymous feedback is collected on all post, to access it you'll have to use SEDE, some examples of such queries are [linked in the MO chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/54359892#54359892)." CreationDate="2021-03-08T06:09:03.773" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25141" PostId="4891" Score="3" Text="@LSpice It looks like new privileges [top out](https://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges) at access to site analytics at 25k. However, a few months ago, SE [sent](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/358195/swag-is-coming-back?) t-shirts and mugs to users with 100k and 250k rep respectively. Actually, these are the only privileges with a tangible monetary value, making them the most valuable privileges, undreamt-of by us mortals. Keep gunning for that t-shirt!" CreationDate="2021-03-08T12:30:33.040" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25142" PostId="4891" Score="4" Text="Maybe I misread -- it looks like there's a &quot;see reduced ads privilege&quot; at some point. Since we all already have that one as MO users, maybe we all have a reputation boost compared to the rest of the SE network :)" CreationDate="2021-03-08T12:33:02.850" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25143" PostId="4892" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [How to report intrisically spammy user accounts?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4693/how-to-report-intrisically-spammy-user-accounts)" CreationDate="2021-03-08T15:47:43.713" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="25145" PostId="4892" Score="2" Text="There is some advice [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/213180/reporting-an-inappropriate-or-offensive-user-name) saying to click the &quot;contact&quot; button on any stack exchange page and fill out a generic contact form to get in touch with Stack Exchange. This strikes me as inadequate." CreationDate="2021-03-08T19:12:47.933" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25146" PostId="4892" Score="2" Text="Is there any way that smoke detector could start tracking these spam accounts? Anyway, I just got frustrated and went through the first page of recent &quot;autobiographer&quot; badge awards. Roughly 90% of them were spam, and I reported them manually via the &quot;contact&quot; button. This is not a scalable approach." CreationDate="2021-03-08T19:26:17.583" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25147" PostId="4892" Score="3" Text="The suggestion given here seems to me like a reasonable solution to the problem at hand: [Spam Profiles are getting my goat. Could we have better tools for mods to deal with profile spam?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/303746#303751)" CreationDate="2021-03-08T19:31:27.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25148" PostId="4892" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I agree, that sounds reasonable -- don't show somebody's &quot;autobiographer&quot; award on the front page until they pass 5 rep or something. But the suggestion was made 4 years and apparently hasn't been implemented." CreationDate="2021-03-08T19:36:05.093" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25150" PostId="4892" Score="0" Text="The advice I linked to is apparently out of date. When I reported these spammy accounts to SE, I got an email back saying that they don't do mass deletions like that. They do prevent links from rendering in the autobiography, which maybe mitigates the search engine manipulation somewhat. Although the spammer can still put in a homepage which gets a proper link." CreationDate="2021-03-08T21:10:07.143" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25149" PostId="4894" Score="1" Text="It's not unlike the [untagged](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/167879/295232) tag on other Stack Exchange sites. Short of synonymizing/merging with another tag (which I don't think is appropriate), there is no way to avoid mass bumping." CreationDate="2021-03-08T20:41:33.303" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="25151" PostId="4894" Score="1" Text="Please feel free to bring to attention (however you wish) misapplied tags." CreationDate="2021-03-08T21:29:33.533" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="25152" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="As @Glorfindel pointed out, there is no easy way to do that. SE could do this but only with _extreme_ reluctance (which is justified but they might be convinced if they happen to have an overabundance of database-fu). In any case, the original use of &quot;tag-removed&quot;, from way back in the baby years of MO, was that users would remove or replace that placeholder whenever questions got bumped to the front page. Considering I personally remember adding &quot;tag-removed&quot; to many thousand questions, I guess that worked quite well overall..." CreationDate="2021-03-08T21:46:15.877" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25153" PostId="4894" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Ah well. To be honest I'm happy enough to be able to write the title of this question, so I'll count this as a win :P." CreationDate="2021-03-08T21:50:29.910" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="25154" PostId="4894" Score="1" Text="As far as I can tell, the way to remove a tag without bumping is called burnination, see the &quot;dictionary&quot; [in this post](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4551/what-to-do-with-the-synonyms-for-the-deprecated-tags). However, I suppose that before that, the questions [which have only that tag](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/131389/finding-posts-tagged-only-with-one-given-tag?tagname=tag-removed) would need manual retagging. Somewhat related post on [meta.se]: [Burnination vs. merging into a specific tag](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/309327)" CreationDate="2021-03-08T21:51:07.510" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25155" PostId="4894" Score="1" Text="It seems that also [math.se] used to have (tag-removed) tag - but it was a long time ago. See: [What is the role of the '\[tag-removed\]' tag?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1381) and [Could having (tag-removed) tag be useful?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/27393)" CreationDate="2021-03-08T21:52:51.987" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25157" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I think that's ancient history when they were trying to bring over parts of the MO template instead of rethinking the platform their own way." CreationDate="2021-03-08T22:00:44.067" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28061" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="Actually I don't really understand why there is the need for a &quot;tag-removed&quot; tag in the first place: why can't a question have an empty set of tags? Is this just a technical kludge due to the implementation of SE?" CreationDate="2022-12-07T16:53:56.467" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28062" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="A related older question: ['Tag-removed' tags where they possibly shouldn't be](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/657)." CreationDate="2022-12-07T17:35:23.330" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25156" PostId="4895" Score="0" Text="I hope you don't mind the edits." CreationDate="2021-03-08T21:57:07.980" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25158" PostId="4895" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Not at all!" CreationDate="2021-03-08T22:01:21.483" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="25159" PostId="4895" Score="1" Text="FWIW [tag:tag-removed] has been both my best friend and my worst enemy for over a decade..." CreationDate="2021-03-08T22:05:54.427" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25162" PostId="4895" Score="1" Text="-1 from me since the [current wording](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/4895/2) of this answer is not correct. It is not true that removal of a tag without bumping is *impossible* - as explained in several comments, it is possible but it has to be done *by Stack Exchange staff*. Some instances when this was actually done can be found on [math.meta.se]. (I will just add that this is only about whether or not this is *technically* possible - whether or not removal of this tag would be a good idea is a separate question.)" CreationDate="2021-03-09T12:49:21.320" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25166" PostId="4895" Score="0" Text="Maybe my previous comment was a bit harsh. (And I have now removed my downvote.) I will just repeat that burnination (complete removal of a tag is possible). But when this answer says &quot;this is impossible&quot; the word this probably refers to the second paragraph of the questions (i.e. &quot;remove this tag from all positive-net-score questions with at least one additional tag&quot;) which is slightly different. (Probably I should have read the question a bit more carefully before voting and commenting.)" CreationDate="2021-03-09T15:42:33.873" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28060" PostId="4895" Score="0" Text="This is only slightly better than a link-only answer, unfortunately; it defers all explanation to two links to comments (which are &quot;ephemeral by design)." CreationDate="2022-12-07T16:52:00.633" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25160" PostId="4896" Score="1" Text="I think it should be for applications to any field" CreationDate="2021-03-09T11:04:02.690" UserId="100231" />
  <row Id="25161" PostId="4896" Score="1" Text="Definitely not 4 (did you intend it as a joke?). Any of 2 and 3, and even 1, should go under this tag." CreationDate="2021-03-09T11:31:41.367" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="25163" PostId="4896" Score="5" Text="From the looks of things, taggers have interpreted &quot;applications&quot; in each of the above sense (1,2,3,4) at different times. I would suggest that we shouldn't have a tag called &quot;applications&quot; precisely because it means such different things to different people. We should split it into several tags." CreationDate="2021-03-09T13:36:43.407" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25164" PostId="4896" Score="1" Text="Tentatively, I might also suggest that a tag &quot;internal-to-math-applications&quot; which is meant to signify applications from one area of math to another, or within a mathematical field from one theoretical apparatus to another -- would be a fairly useless tag. In fact, almost any question could be viewed as asking &quot;what is an application of X to Y&quot; in one form or another. So I think I'd prefer to see this tag reserved for applications of mathematics to other fields, or applications of other fields to mathematics." CreationDate="2021-03-09T14:08:36.767" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25165" PostId="4896" Score="0" Text="@AlexM. Look at the tags on the question I linked to." CreationDate="2021-03-09T14:59:08.760" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="25173" PostId="4896" Score="1" Text="I took the liberty to add a tag wiki excerpt (it's pending review)." CreationDate="2021-03-10T07:38:31.223" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25174" PostId="4896" Score="1" Text="While I appreciated @gmvh's taking the initiative and making the edit, I voted against it in review because I agree with @‍TimCampion that having `{applications}` mean sense (1) makes it so broad that it applies to every question.  What MO question _doesn't_ involve applying mathematics to mathematics?" CreationDate="2021-03-10T14:43:24.903" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25175" PostId="4896" Score="1" Text="@LSpice To backtrack a little: there _is_ a reasonably well-defined class of questions of the form &quot;What are some applications of mathematical theory X to mathematical theory Y?&quot; (where Y is not &quot;contained&quot; in X -- such a question may also quantify over such Y), which is substantially smaller than the class of all MO questions. So it was too sweeping of me to claim that there's no distinction to be made at all about OP's (1). Now the question is: does it make sense to have a tag which signifies that a question is of this class? I think not, but I could imagine being persuaded otherwise." CreationDate="2021-03-10T17:41:51.127" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25176" PostId="4896" Score="2" Text="@TimCampion If the tag is to be used for applications to non-mathematical problems, then perhaps it should be a synonym for tag [tag:applied-mathematics]." CreationDate="2021-03-10T17:43:26.700" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="25177" PostId="4896" Score="2" Text="Looking at the [SE guidance about tags](https://stackoverflow.com/help/tagging), I think that a tag of the form of OP's (1) is not useful for the primary purpose of tagging -- i.e. the purpose of connecting answerers to questions. It could perhaps be useful for the secondary purpose of tags -- viz. it might be fun from time to time to browse through questions tagged under &quot;applications&quot; in sense (1) just for the fun of it. But I think the same could be said of a lot of tags whose utility is marginal." CreationDate="2021-03-10T17:47:04.283" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25178" PostId="4896" Score="2" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo I think synonymity with the &quot;applied mathematics&quot; tag is a fair suggestion, with the following caveat. My impression is that &quot;applied mathematics&quot; is itself a distinct branch (or family of branches) of mathematics as a discipline, whereas I see a space for an &quot;applications&quot; tag which asks about applying tools which are not generally viewed as &quot;applied math tools&quot; to fields outside of mathematics.... but I could be persuaded that this space is not big enough to warrant its own tag. Probably as soon as something is applied this way, it _becomes_ a tool of &quot;applied math&quot;!" CreationDate="2021-03-10T17:50:01.047" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25179" PostId="4896" Score="2" Text="Haha! The &quot;applied mathematics&quot; tag also has no usage guidance currently!" CreationDate="2021-03-10T17:51:59.477" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25168" PostId="4898" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel, thank you for fixing my typos (twice from OM to MO)." CreationDate="2021-03-09T21:02:31.070" UserId="110389" />
  <row Id="25170" PostId="4898" Score="5" Text="A related post on [meta.se]: [Please reduce or eliminate the reputation required to see the upvote/downvote vote split](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/72743). On [math.meta.se]: [Why can only established users view vote counts?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9659)" CreationDate="2021-03-09T21:09:47.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25167" PostId="4899" Score="2" Text="The format as **+4 vs -3** should be presented **directly** to participants without bothering participants to make another click (many don't even know about the option)." CreationDate="2021-03-09T20:59:18.373" UserId="110389" />
  <row Id="25169" PostId="4899" Score="3" Text="Yes, that is what many users have been proposing but (so far) to no avail." CreationDate="2021-03-09T21:05:50.813" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="25171" PostId="4900" Score="6" Text="_&quot;It's interesting that the two participants that support secret down-voting are anonymous.&quot;_ --- not quite, these are accounts that have been deactivated and have therefore lost the original name, the screen name of one of these is actually cited (and is still active as a moderator on other sites)" CreationDate="2021-03-09T22:03:14.327" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25172" PostId="4900" Score="0" Text="@Carlo, I stand corrected. I will remove the line about &quot;anonymous.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-03-10T04:51:18.120" UserId="110389" />
  <row Id="25180" PostId="4901" Score="2" Text="There's also a sense (5) which comes up in some of these tags: applications of fields outside of mathematics to mathematics. Under this proposal, this sense of &quot;applications&quot; wouldn't really be covered by any tag. But I think this interpretation (5) of the tag was a bit tongue-in-cheek to begin with. Probably such questions don't need to be tagged together with applications of mathematics to other fields." CreationDate="2021-03-10T18:13:35.053" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25183" PostId="4902" Score="3" Text="I took the liberty of creating the [tag:upper-bounds] tag, and of retagging the linked upper-bonds question." CreationDate="2021-03-11T08:56:49.133" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25184" PostId="4902" Score="1" Text="A related discussion in MO editors' lounge: https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/about-tag-for-upper-and-lower-bounds" CreationDate="2021-03-13T08:07:19.897" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25185" PostId="4902" Score="8" Text="I think the single tag &quot;bounds&quot; makes more sense." CreationDate="2021-03-13T16:01:08.783" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25197" PostId="4903" Score="0" Text="Note that [tags get automatically removed](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/create-tags) if they don't have a sufficient quorum of questions with the tag. Currently there are no questions with this one -- the example you retagged has been edited since." CreationDate="2021-03-18T16:29:47.813" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="25187" PostId="4904" Score="3" Text="For comparison, on [math.se] there is a clearly formulated procedure how the moderators deal with questions from ongoing contests: [“Contest problem” policy](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/16774)." CreationDate="2021-03-17T08:29:47.500" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25188" PostId="4904" Score="0" Text="we could just vote to undelete, if we know the link to the deleted question..." CreationDate="2021-03-17T12:14:41.333" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25189" PostId="4904" Score="8" Text="As mentioned in some of those other threads, there is the problem that PROMYS reuses questions year after year. But they can't expect MO to ban a certain question forever..." CreationDate="2021-03-17T13:17:49.070" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25190" PostId="4904" Score="0" Text="@CarloBeenakker That depends. If the question was deleted *by a moderator*, it cannot be undeleted by regular users. (All details are explained in [the FAQ post on deletion](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/how-does-deleting-work-what-can-cause-a-post-to-be-deleted-and-what-does-that). There is also a related feature request: [Regular users should be able to vote to undelete moderator-deleted posts](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/233466).)" CreationDate="2021-03-17T16:34:50.937" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25191" PostId="4904" Score="3" Text="it was user deleted; the policy linked to above says &quot;If the &quot;contest&quot; has no definite duration, then we do not consider questions on it as contest questions for this discussion. This is to prevent indefinite lock-down of information.&quot; --- so I would presume undeleting is allowed; I do have the link, shall I post it here?" CreationDate="2021-03-17T16:42:48.190" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25192" PostId="4904" Score="0" Text="@CarloBeenakker The &quot;policy&quot; I linked is the policy formulated on [math.se] - which is a different site from [mathoverflow.se]. If MO decides (at some point) to create a policy about this issue, it might be different. In case it wasn't clear, I will stress that my comment which links to the FAQ post was concerning the question whether undeletion is *technically* possible." CreationDate="2021-03-17T16:58:03.177" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25198" PostId="4904" Score="0" Text="I appreciate the comments.  @CarloBeenakker, thanks for finding the link.  Without waiting for something official about contest questions, would it be appropriate for you to post it here in an answer and see if there's sufficient interest to undelete?  (Or do reopening votes occur behind closed doors somewhere?)" CreationDate="2021-03-18T21:02:51.560" UserId="14807" />
  <row Id="25199" PostId="4904" Score="1" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/questions/385370/critical-thinking-rail-track-problem  --- only visible by 10k+ users --- I presume if we undelete and it is considered inappropriate we can always delete it again." CreationDate="2021-03-18T21:15:51.713" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25211" PostId="4904" Score="3" Text="@BrianHopkins: But if we accept such questions for high-school pupils on MO, what will MSE be left for? A contest problem may very well be interesting and difficult, but this shouldn't be enough to consider it &quot;research&quot;." CreationDate="2021-03-19T23:15:42.277" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="25216" PostId="4904" Score="1" Text="@AlexM.  Remember that it was answered when it was not yet identified as a contest question.  And it's still closed.  I'm glad, though, that it is accessible again, with the same status as other closed questions, rather than being hidden.  As to whether it is &quot;research,&quot; there are many publications that establish combinatorial proofs for recurrence relations, for instance." CreationDate="2021-03-20T19:20:00.003" UserId="14807" />
  <row Id="25193" PostId="4905" Score="1" Text="This seem more like a feature of a specific editor than a feature of MathJax. Perhaps it is worth mentioning that [Overleaf](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleaf) has some kind of autocompletion. (You reminded me of this post on [math.meta.se]: [Some suggestion for MathJax](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/33119). The post is now deleted - so 10k+ link.)" CreationDate="2021-03-17T23:12:21.720" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25196" PostId="4905" Score="1" Text="This question does not ask for a list of feature requests for MathJax, but for a list of nontrvivial features *already implemented* in MathJax that are used often enough so that we need them preserved in the event that MathJax is replaced with a different TeX renderer." CreationDate="2021-03-18T07:46:47.063" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25203" PostId="4908" Score="2" Text="You can find some related posts here (and probably also on [tea](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/tea/info)): For example, [On the role of anonymity in a site dedicated to research-level mathematics](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1113)." CreationDate="2021-03-19T06:15:30.167" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25200" PostId="4909" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much for answering my question. But I have one more question: what happens if a person choose a fake brand? I mean using a fake name. is there any way for moderators to detect that?" CreationDate="2021-03-19T01:52:33.117" UserId="171386" />
  <row Id="25201" PostId="4909" Score="5" Text="Impersonation is taken *very* seriously. Especially on sites like MO (but also on MSE)." CreationDate="2021-03-19T01:55:08.260" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25202" PostId="4909" Score="16" Text="Many people here also know each other in real life, or through other means. If someone starts using the name of a mathematician, they most likely could not imitate their knowledge or writing style, and colleagues of that mathematician can verify privately with them what is going on." CreationDate="2021-03-19T03:56:35.627" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25235" PostId="4909" Score="3" Text="@Scheil Particularly if someone were to use the name of another mathematician and then intentionally post wrong / rude / offensive things to make them look bad as part of some kind of vendetta, it would not be too hard to discover. And I can't think of many other reasons you would want to mimic someone else." CreationDate="2021-03-23T14:47:49.050" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25239" PostId="4909" Score="2" Text="@theHigherGeometer: I see you chose to move backwards on the full name issue? :-)" CreationDate="2021-03-23T20:19:07.037" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25256" PostId="4909" Score="3" Text="@WillSawin I think we have also had a few cases where someone chose the name of one of their mathematical heroes as a pseudonym, meaning it as a tribute, and not thinking through that this was a living human being who might read MO." CreationDate="2021-03-25T02:19:11.850" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="25259" PostId="4909" Score="5" Text="@DavidESpeyer &quot;This is not the greatest mathematician in the world, no. This is just a tribute!&quot;" CreationDate="2021-03-25T02:56:48.873" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25296" PostId="4909" Score="2" Text="It's not clear to me that good questions or answers necessarily promote one's brand... Rather, so many of the questions on MO have very large backstories, so the credibility of just telling a tiny part of a story depends who the story-teller is, and what the rest of the community knows about them already, possibly outside MO..." CreationDate="2021-03-27T18:52:24.323" UserId="15629" />
  <row Id="25297" PostId="4909" Score="0" Text="Using the name of a real, living mathematician would be impersonation and Very Bad (tm).  Using a made-up but real-sounding name would just be a pseudonym and not get noticed or bother many people.  Using a historical name like Isaac Newton would be a bit pretentious but if your posts were of high quality people might let it slide.  I went for years without an account at all but finally made one in order to be able to post comments." CreationDate="2021-03-27T19:06:18.603" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="25320" PostId="4909" Score="1" Text="@Soheil &quot;*are there moderators to detect that?*&quot;: all the participants here (well, with at least 15 reputation, so basically all registered participants) can flag to moderation. So any name perceived as problematic can be mentioned to moderation. Moderators then decide whether it requires any action." CreationDate="2021-03-30T06:09:59.047" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25322" PostId="4909" Score="0" Text="@YCor Ok, thanks for pointing that out!" CreationDate="2021-03-30T06:14:57.023" UserId="171386" />
  <row Id="25389" PostId="4909" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila I'm waiting the (hitherto unknown to me) 30-day cool-down period to switch back. I thought I'd try a pseudonym for a change." CreationDate="2021-03-31T23:21:00.520" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25390" PostId="4909" Score="0" Text="@theHigherGeometer: You can always ask the mods to change it back for you. :-)" CreationDate="2021-03-31T23:33:26.893" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25391" PostId="4909" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I'm not in a hurry, I can wait." CreationDate="2021-03-31T23:39:15.643" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25557" PostId="4909" Score="0" Text="This can be resolved easily now. :-)" CreationDate="2021-04-14T00:50:32.347" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25204" PostId="4910" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure what you mean by &quot;extract&quot;, and by &quot;reputation cost&quot; you mean the voter's or the OP? In any case I don't understand the suggestion (though I agree with the setup, having in mind that a closed question can immediately be voted to deletion if its score is $\le -3$). Also you might need the feature-request meta-tag to have your suggestion taken in consideration by moderators." CreationDate="2021-03-19T07:16:15.130" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25205" PostId="4910" Score="5" Text="I am not sure how you distinguish between these upvotes, and ones made in good faith by those of us who think it is still OK for researchers to ask questions that may seem basic to those in the know." CreationDate="2021-03-19T11:57:15.637" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25206" PostId="4910" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi :  I think if you look at the example I linked to, you will agree that this is not an upvote made in good faith on a question that seems basic only to a proper subset of mathematicians engaged in research." CreationDate="2021-03-19T14:45:22.220" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="25207" PostId="4910" Score="6" Text="I agree, but that was my point: we need case-by-case judgements, I don't see a way to automate this" CreationDate="2021-03-19T15:01:37.203" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25208" PostId="4910" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi :  I had indeed managed to miss your point.  Thanks for clarifying." CreationDate="2021-03-19T15:46:30.190" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="25209" PostId="4910" Score="11" Text="Several people quickly downvoting to reverse an incorrect upvote is exactly how the system is supposed to function.  I don't see what the problem is." CreationDate="2021-03-19T16:40:47.287" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="25210" PostId="4910" Score="9" Text="@NoahSnyder:  It looks like a small number of people are making it a habit to upvote unambiguously off-topic questions.  It looks to me like these people are motivated by an intent to disrupt.  (I say this because I can't imagine any other motivation, but of course that might just be a failure of my imagination).  If we get to the point where that small number of people grows to, say, 20, then I think they can be pretty disruptive --- there will be substantial amounts of time in which a lot of terrible questions have high net scores.  I'm trying to imagine what we might do if that happens." CreationDate="2021-03-19T18:39:09.290" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="25212" PostId="4911" Score="3" Text="See [Bounty-like feature on metas](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/231215/295232) – it's popular but no reaction from the company so far." CreationDate="2021-03-20T07:01:31.583" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="25213" PostId="4911" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel Thank you for sharing this! It would make my question duplicate if not being on another site (as an aside, this brings up a separate question, whether cross-site duplicates could be introduced :))" CreationDate="2021-03-20T07:41:33.637" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25214" PostId="4911" Score="2" Text="That's a good idea as well: [Could we allow child Meta questions to be closed as duplicates of Meta.SE ones?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/229870/295232) – this time with a response by a former staff member." CreationDate="2021-03-20T07:55:21.963" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="25215" PostId="4911" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel So if I would ask it, it would be an instance of what I would be asking about :)" CreationDate="2021-03-20T12:30:01.603" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25220" PostId="4912" Score="3" Text="I agree in general that too close tags should be made synonyms (another example recently mentioned being [tag:lower-bounds] and [tag:inequalities], see https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4907/14094)" CreationDate="2021-03-21T19:24:08.470" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25254" PostId="4912" Score="0" Text="@gvmh: The problem is that the Wiener integral is a &quot;path integral&quot;, too; should we make it, too, a synonym of &quot;path-integral&quot;? Furthermore, unlike the Wiener integral, the Feynman integral is not a &quot;true&quot; integral. Organizing MO is important, but we should strive not to be zealous in doing so. I would keep these tags as they are now." CreationDate="2021-03-25T00:02:21.020" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="25261" PostId="4912" Score="0" Text="@AlexM.: but then the usage info and tag wiki for [tag:path-integral] needs to be updated to reflect that greater generality. Currently, it (somewhat vaguely) describes the Feynman path integral." CreationDate="2021-03-25T05:44:14.453" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25264" PostId="4912" Score="0" Text="@gmvh: Since there are currently 17 questions tagged with &quot;feynman-integral&quot; and only 5 tagged with &quot;path-integral&quot; (of which one is about the Wiener measure!), I would make &quot;path-integral&quot; a synonym of &quot;feynman-integral&quot; and I would merge the tag information and tag wiki of &quot;path-integral&quot; into the tag information and tag wiki of &quot;feynman-integral&quot; (with the necessary modifications, of course)." CreationDate="2021-03-25T08:12:08.617" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="25265" PostId="4912" Score="1" Text="@gmvh: But! There is a &quot;but&quot;! Feynman integrals are &quot;integrals&quot; over spaces of paths only in quantum mechanics. In quantum field theory, they are &quot;integrals&quot; over spaces of fields, so in this case the connection with the &quot;paths&quot; breaks down. This is why I suggest to leave things as they are (and I shall maybe post this as an answer)." CreationDate="2021-03-25T08:14:58.177" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="25227" PostId="4915" Score="1" Text="Just so you know, the link to the moderator chat room on the linked page goes to a very old, now closed room." CreationDate="2021-03-23T04:03:37.270" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25228" PostId="4915" Score="2" Text="Also, I imagine it would be ok to nominate others.  The page currently says that users in good standing can nominate themselves, but this is not exactly something that academics tend to do." CreationDate="2021-03-23T04:50:43.880" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25229" PostId="4915" Score="0" Text="@theHigherGeometer ah, I will create a new room next Monday but I'll remove the links for now. Thanks for letting me know." CreationDate="2021-03-23T04:51:54.523" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25230" PostId="4915" Score="1" Text="@Lucia Our system only allows self-nominations so anyone interested in the position has to overcome that. Y'all are welcome to create an unofficial place for nominating candidates - for example, you could create a question here on Meta where you can recommend someone for the position - but there's no easy way to notify them that they've been nominated." CreationDate="2021-03-23T04:54:35.880" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25231" PostId="4915" Score="0" Text="For the last election, there was a meta post allowing users to nominate others by answering. I think this could be done again." CreationDate="2021-03-23T10:50:19.663" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25232" PostId="4915" Score="3" Text="@gmvh If you're talking about this one - https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/919/2013-moderator-nominations sure. That's what I describe in my prior comment. But the caveat there is that it needs to be clear that accepting the nomination on a post like that would not be sufficient. Candidates must also nominate on the official page or others will not be able to vote for them. :)" CreationDate="2021-03-23T13:40:13.603" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25237" PostId="4915" Score="3" Text="Pardon my ignorance, but will the election seat an entirely new set of moderators, or do some of our current moderators automatically continue?" CreationDate="2021-03-23T19:41:00.047" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="25238" PostId="4915" Score="3" Text="@JosephO'Rourke Our general policy is that, unless they go completely inactive and unresponsive, moderators retain their tenure until they choose to step down (or in rare cases are removed for unmoderator-like behavior). As such, these three seats are to augment the existing team, not to replace them." CreationDate="2021-03-23T19:43:01.730" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25240" PostId="4915" Score="4" Text="Three seats?  That's more than I was expecting, I guess we're going to need a lot of nominees!" CreationDate="2021-03-24T02:07:19.517" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="25245" PostId="4915" Score="4" Text="Why do we suddenly need so many new moderators? Are some of the current moderators planning to step down, or is there another reason?" CreationDate="2021-03-24T07:40:50.993" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25251" PostId="4915" Score="4" Text="@EmilJeřábek: There have been calls to add moderators to the team for years now." CreationDate="2021-03-24T11:24:51.200" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25260" PostId="4915" Score="1" Text="I posted this on the other meta question related to the election but I'll reiterate it here: I think, at least during the voting, we need clarity about which of the current moderators are staying on." CreationDate="2021-03-25T03:15:59.930" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25290" PostId="4915" Score="3" Text="Regarding my previous comment, in case anyone did not see François G. Dorais's answer on the other question: none of the current moderators are planning to step down." CreationDate="2021-03-26T15:29:20.470" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25341" PostId="4915" Score="2" Text="@Catija Now that the actual questionnaire is online, I suppose this question should be closed (or even locked?) to freeze the record." CreationDate="2021-03-30T19:28:31.317" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25504" PostId="4915" Score="0" Text="@Catija At the very least, this question should now be un-featured." CreationDate="2021-04-06T08:39:05.457" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25233" PostId="4919" Score="1" Text="This is going to be very difficult for us to parse for our actual questionnaire - it'd be a lot easier for me if you could post these as individual answers rather than as a block." CreationDate="2021-03-23T14:18:11.707" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25234" PostId="4919" Score="2" Text="@Catija: OK, I can break this up into several answers. I'm afraid it won't be possible to know which question(s) the existing votes were meant for ..." CreationDate="2021-03-23T14:33:32.573" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25236" PostId="4919" Score="0" Text="No worries - the benefit of the edit is that it unlocks the existing votes meaning whoever cast those votes can choose to rescind them if they wish and were voting for a different question than this one or they can continue to support this one if they like it. :) Thanks for breaking the questions up!" CreationDate="2021-03-23T15:56:54.383" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25307" PostId="4923" Score="0" Text="I am curious, since moderators are not appointed, but elected, what kind of an answer does this question expect? Can you give an example? That is, if you were to be nominated for MOderator and accept the nomination, how would you answer it?" CreationDate="2021-03-29T14:26:36.033" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="25308" PostId="4923" Score="1" Text="I didn't come up with this question. As it says at the top, it was a question asked in the last election, and I felt that the questions from that election should be carried forward (if only as possible suggestions) to this one. In any case, I don't see how the fact that moderators are elected makes diversity less of a concern. The members of various political and corporate bodies are elected, and a lack of diversity is often voiced as a (legitimate, IMO) concern. As to your last question, as a straight white male I wouldn't contribute to diversity, as normally construed. But given ... (ctd.)" CreationDate="2021-03-29T14:45:23.660" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25309" PostId="4923" Score="1" Text="(cont:) ... But given the context of MO, in your hypothetical scenario I would contribute to the interdisciplinarity of the team as a mathematically-inclined theoretical physicist, and to the geographic diversity by being from Europe. However, I am clearly not qualified to be a moderator, so that point is kind of moot." CreationDate="2021-03-29T14:47:47.180" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25310" PostId="4923" Score="1" Text="Apologies, I did not realize you were simply carrying over the question from last election. My question was meant for the person who originally asked the question in your post. All humans are individuals, so the term &quot;diversity&quot; needs some clarification/definition/narrowing down. If it refers to sex, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, then these are things one is born into 99.999% of the time and do not constitute per se any meaningful contribution whatsoever, unlike, say, one's background in cultural studies helping to bridge the gap between different cultures when moderation is necessary." CreationDate="2021-03-29T16:12:03.560" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="25311" PostId="4923" Score="0" Text="(cont'd) So, raising a question about them creates a precedent that they should influence the election of one or another person as a MOderator, which is quite the opposite result of the intent of such a concern. The election should be based solely on merit and competence. Since MOderators are elected rather than appointed, such a concern should not exist. For all we care, the future MOderators can be anon or semi-anon, like quid used to be. Sex, sexual orientation, skin color, ethnicity, race, religion, political preferences etc. should be irrelevant to the election." CreationDate="2021-03-29T16:15:33.527" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="25300" PostId="4924" Score="3" Text="This is a good question. For background, the current SE policy is that moderators serve until they resign or until they become inactive. (Under very rare circumstances, moderators can also be ousted.) There is room for change, even locally on MO, if users believe there should be a fixed term." CreationDate="2021-03-27T20:52:21.740" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25253" PostId="4926" Score="9" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi Please make your suggestions into answers!  That way, the nominees can accept or decline in comments attached to the answers without making a big mess here." CreationDate="2021-03-24T23:36:38.347" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="25255" PostId="4926" Score="0" Text="Will an entirely new slate of moderators be elected?" CreationDate="2021-03-25T01:37:12.260" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25257" PostId="4926" Score="2" Text="@SamHopkins:  No, the old moderators serve until they step down.  There was a comment sometime last fall that suggested that at least one moderator does want to step down (the comment didn't say which), but most of them will be staying on." CreationDate="2021-03-25T02:20:09.557" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="25258" PostId="4926" Score="1" Text="@NoahSnyder: Thanks. I feel like doing voting it would be useful to know which current moderators were staying on." CreationDate="2021-03-25T02:22:15.193" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25263" PostId="4926" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan: done" CreationDate="2021-03-25T06:38:00.603" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25269" PostId="4926" Score="8" Text="By the way, here is the list of current moderators (it's a bit hard to get to this page if you don't know how): https://mathoverflow.net/users?tab=moderators" CreationDate="2021-03-25T15:09:14.340" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25278" PostId="4926" Score="7" Text="@SamHopkins None of the current moderators are expected to step down. Some of the moderators have reduced their activity on the user-visible end of things, but none have expressed the desire to fully step down." CreationDate="2021-03-25T20:00:41.787" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25279" PostId="4926" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais: That's good to know, thanks!" CreationDate="2021-03-25T20:01:29.760" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25284" PostId="4926" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais:  Thanks for the clarification.  My apologies for spreading misinformation, I'm not sure why I got that in my head, looking back at Scott Carnahan's post on the matter there's no such comment there!" CreationDate="2021-03-26T01:42:57.047" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="25350" PostId="4926" Score="4" Text="This heads-up from Catija should perhaps be more widely known: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/57495022#57495022." CreationDate="2021-03-31T04:34:20.430" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="25354" PostId="4926" Score="5" Text="@jeq Let me repeat the heads-up here, so that it takes one less click to reach (chat is terribad for these things): &quot;MO will be the first site using the new election voting interface. It's described on MSE [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361979/moderator-elections-functionality-voting-ui-commenting-and-flagging). This is a pretty important thing in my mind as, with three candidate slots, allowing y'all to rank more than three people means that your votes are more likely to be tallied in their entirety.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-03-31T07:20:12.703" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25505" PostId="4926" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Now that nominations are closed, this question should probably be un-featured (and likely closed or even locked as well)." CreationDate="2021-04-06T08:40:21.120" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25510" PostId="4926" Score="0" Text="@gmvh:  Certainly it should be un-featured, but I don't see a reason to close or lock it.  For example, look at all the earlier questions concerning the 2013 election." CreationDate="2021-04-06T14:33:16.367" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25511" PostId="4926" Score="1" Text="@Lucia Well, I personally think questions that cannot reasonably receive new answers any more, but which should be preserved in their present state for the historical record, should be closed or locked. That this wasn't done in the previous election is no reason not to do it now (and indeed also to do it for those older questions)." CreationDate="2021-04-06T14:38:00.563" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25242" PostId="4927" Score="0" Text="I tried putting `[tag:positive-characteristic]` in the title, as in the [linked question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4912/should-tagfeynman-integral-be-a-synonym-of-tagpath-integral), but it wouldn't let me." CreationDate="2021-03-24T03:39:27.543" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25243" PostId="4927" Score="2" Text="It is probably worth mentioning that the synonym ([tag:positive-characteristic]) $\to$ ([tag:characteristic-p]) was proposed and users with sufficient score in the tag [can vote for/against](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/characteristic-p/synonyms). According to SEDE, it was proposed in August 2020 by LSpice: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1178483/data-about-a-tag-synonym?tagname=positive-characteristic" CreationDate="2021-03-24T06:04:46.280" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25248" PostId="4927" Score="2" Text="As always, this synonym voting system is inept for such tags with not many ($\sim 100$) questions (I can't vote because it relies on the score on this very tag); it's likely the the number of authorized voters who will open this discussion be $\le 2$. So I guess the only door to make it a synonym is to make this question feature-request and rely on moderators." CreationDate="2021-03-24T09:49:15.700" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25249" PostId="4927" Score="3" Text="I strongly approve synonyms in both directions, with a preference to keep positive-charactistic as &quot;main&quot; tag, the other being synonym — I don't like the symbol &quot;p&quot;, implicitly meant to be positive, to be prime, etc, to be part of a tag; also positive in principle allows characteristic $p^2$, etc, beyond fields." CreationDate="2021-03-24T09:49:54.120" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25250" PostId="4927" Score="2" Text="I agree with @YCor's [rationale](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4927/positive-characteristic-and-characteristic-p-are-synonyms#comment25249_4927) for which should be the main tag.  If I remember correctly, the reason it's this way is that I was forced to choose the tag with fewer questions (`positive-characteristic` currently has 83) as the synonym of the one with more (`characteristic-p` currently has 253)." CreationDate="2021-03-24T10:06:33.833" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25252" PostId="4927" Score="3" Text="Here is a link to a [discussion in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/about-creating-synonyms-by-voting) between me and @YCor concerning the advantages of bringing up possible tag synonyms on meta (as opposed to relying solely on voting). Of course, the tag management has one additional problem on MO - there aren't enough users interesting in discussing and managing tags." CreationDate="2021-03-24T12:58:48.330" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25266" PostId="4927" Score="1" Text="The characteristic of a ring could also be a non-prime number, so I don't see how these tags are strictly synonymous (not knowing whether there are really questions about rings with characteristic 6)." CreationDate="2021-03-25T08:34:56.447" UserId="3969" />
  <row Id="25267" PostId="4927" Score="1" Text="@HenrikRüping, I think that was @‍YCor's [point](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4927/positive-characteristic-and-characteristic-p-are-synonyms#comment25249_4927) earlier.  I imagine, being mathematicians, we can find some shade of difference between any two tags, but, especially given their low traffic, I think it's safe to bet that the audiences for [tag:positive-characteristic] and [tag:characteristic-p] are almost, if not wholly, identical." CreationDate="2021-03-25T13:01:43.420" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25268" PostId="4928" Score="13" Text="Thanks, but as I mentioned in the question, I am not considering this --- it would be too difficult to fit in with my work." CreationDate="2021-03-25T14:03:06.273" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25270" PostId="4928" Score="5" Text="(I am upvoting Lucia's comment and not this answer to record the fact that I think they would make a good moderator but also that I respect their desire not to be one.)" CreationDate="2021-03-25T15:20:47.223" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25275" PostId="4928" Score="1" Text="I echo @SamHopkins here" CreationDate="2021-03-25T19:07:36.510" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25283" PostId="4928" Score="6" Text="@Lucia I understand but I think you would be a fantastic addition to the moderation team. If anonymity is an issue, we would be more than happy to discuss that privately." CreationDate="2021-03-25T23:18:19.000" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25419" PostId="4928" Score="3" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais and others:  Thanks everyone.  I am glad there are a few good candidates already, and hope that more will join.  I did think more about this, and would still prefer to sit this out." CreationDate="2021-04-02T17:01:07.187" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25262" PostId="4929" Score="3" Text="I have asked this because I have seen several times various incorrect claims from current mods posted here on meta. So this is an area where I would say that the MO moderators are lacking - for example, compared to [math.se] mods, that is the site I am most familiar with." CreationDate="2021-03-25T06:26:55.333" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25281" PostId="4931" Score="1" Text="I personally support this nomination and I would nominate as well if Franscesco hadn't beat me to it! I couldn't possibly improve upon Francesco's description, which accurately describes the nominee's aptitudes and strengths for this work." CreationDate="2021-03-25T23:10:58.680" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25291" PostId="4931" Score="1" Text="Well, erm, thanks? I'll have to think about this." CreationDate="2021-03-26T21:04:28.197" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25292" PostId="4931" Score="7" Text="The biggest issue is that in about 7 months my contract is ending and I have no further prospects for getting an academic job. This will severely curtail the time I would be able to dedicate to MO, which, given my time zone, would impact mostly when I could otherwise be most useful." CreationDate="2021-03-26T21:13:52.987" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25293" PostId="4931" Score="8" Text="On reflection, I think I will have to say thank you, @Francesco, for nominating me, but also that I cannot take up the suggestion now." CreationDate="2021-03-26T22:21:39.903" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25316" PostId="4931" Score="1" Text="@theHigherGeometer I want to encourage you to run anyway. It's absolutely fine for a moderator to step into a minimal activity mode, even for a very long period of time, then come back when they are ready. From my point of view, I think it would be a greater loss if you didn't run than if you ran and then slept for two years." CreationDate="2021-03-29T21:23:24.213" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25319" PostId="4931" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I appreciate your vote of confidence, but I really can't take on the rôle (I have other, more personal, reasons I don't feel I can do this). I also don't foresee &quot;coming back when I'm ready&quot;, given where my career looks to be going." CreationDate="2021-03-30T00:35:29.553" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25304" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="But fields on $\mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ are also paths, viz. in the space of fields on $\mathbb{R}^n$." CreationDate="2021-03-28T14:29:08.357" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25305" PostId="4932" Score="1" Text="First, nobody that I know in this area thinks about fields in the way suggested by you. Second, quantum field theory can be studied on space-times that are not necessarily products of the form *&quot;space $\times$ time&quot;*." CreationDate="2021-03-28T15:46:46.667" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="25306" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="Well, pedagogical treatments of lattice field theory quite often introduce things that way (it links quite naturally with the transfer matrix formalism). But it is of course perfectly true that the functional integral formalism also works on manifolds where no such split is possible." CreationDate="2021-03-28T18:07:03.667" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25273" PostId="4933" Score="11" Text="I am flattered by the compliments and the upvotes, but I fear that yet again I'll have to decline. My current professional circumstances, and the completely-wonderful-nature-of-UK-HE-if-my-employers-are-reading-this, mean that for significant chunks of the year I will not have the bandwidth necessary to deal with moderation matters -- at least not in a &quot;thoughtful&quot; or &quot;patient&quot; way." CreationDate="2021-03-25T19:04:16.173" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25274" PostId="4933" Score="5" Text="Indeed, if you want a truer indication of the mental state behind/before my MO and meta.MO comments, you can Google the phrases &quot;in the loop&quot; and &quot;crossest man in Scotland&quot;" CreationDate="2021-03-25T19:06:50.987" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25277" PostId="4933" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry to hear that, I would have really liked to see you on the moderator team, but I certainly understand!" CreationDate="2021-03-25T19:52:00.843" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="25282" PostId="4933" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi I'm sorry to hear you are declining this nomination. (Feel free to change your mind!) You have been one of our most active users for many years, especially in moderation purposes. I hope you reconsider but I definitely understand not having enough time." CreationDate="2021-03-25T23:16:43.633" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25286" PostId="4933" Score="4" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Merci Francois. It is not so much an issue of not having enough time, as being regularly &quot;at the end of my tether&quot;. Currently I have the option of not getting involved with disagreements between users if &quot;je me sens trop sanguinaire&quot;; but I don't want to make bad decisions or heated statements as a moderator" CreationDate="2021-03-26T03:42:53.620" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25299" PostId="4933" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi We have ways around that and I don't think you should be worried about this. For starters, most non-trivial situations are discussed privately by all (available) moderators before any actions are taken, so there are plenty of checks and balances..." CreationDate="2021-03-27T20:35:31.170" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25497" PostId="4933" Score="0" Text="Addendum: having seen how things are going, I am even more glad that I decided not to throw my hat into the ring. Je n'ai aucune envie d'embarquer dans les croisades; j'ai toujours peur des certitudes sauf dans les preuves." CreationDate="2021-04-06T04:03:24.473" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25271" PostId="4934" Score="9" Text="I appreciate that you though of me, however I think that there are *many* reasons why I would not be suitable as a MO moderator. (I will not go into detail here, for the purpose of this thread the only relevant information is that I do not plan to run as a candidate in the election on MO.) In any case, good luck to the users who decide to throw their hats into the ring." CreationDate="2021-03-25T15:25:35.620" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25272" PostId="4934" Score="4" Text="I also thought there were reasons I shouldn't run back in 2013, but some people changed my mind about this. I hope you'll reconsider." CreationDate="2021-03-25T15:31:19.703" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="25276" PostId="4934" Score="11" Text="Maybe split into three answers? I doubt David and Will saw this." CreationDate="2021-03-25T19:42:06.667" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25285" PostId="4934" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais They saw it." CreationDate="2021-03-26T01:57:28.917" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="25328" PostId="4934" Score="3" Text="I agree. Martin seems to be one of the few users that are genuinely interested also in the nuts and bolts of Stack Exchange and in all the aspects of moderation, rather than in simply using the site to do math. Not all good users are also good moderators, so having this interest and skillset is a huge plus for the role. For instance, I don't think there are many other users that have more posts in meta than in main. (And I am sure Martin is already thinking about running a SEDE query to figure this out.)" CreationDate="2021-03-30T12:33:35.800" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25360" PostId="4934" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni Such query goes beyond my capabilities. (Since MO mods describe SEDE as [part of what they do](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/931/what-do-moderators-do/934#934) maybe some of them would be able to help.) As I said, I won't run for moderator on MO. (Definitely not now, and I consider that unlikely also in the future.) Since you say that you consider knowledge of Stack Exchange a good thing, that would make Glorfindel a very good candidate. (The same could be said about quid, but they're gone from MO.)" CreationDate="2021-03-31T10:11:03.877" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25367" PostId="4934" Score="3" Text="In regards to Federico's statement - I completely agree. I also respect @MartinSleziak's choice to not run. I've seen over my time working here his gentle nudges to make incremental improvements to the UI here on MO based on his knowledge of the way SE works. I think what we can all agree is that, regardless of having a diamond or not, his knowledge and ideas are valuable contributions to this community and we hope he continues to care for the site as he has. Thanks so much for your work to keep me in the loop about MO, Martin. :)" CreationDate="2021-03-31T13:53:07.307" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25280" PostId="4935" Score="15" Text="I am honored, and I happily accept." CreationDate="2021-03-25T22:24:25.230" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25287" PostId="4937" Score="5" Text="I agree that Francesco would be a terrific addition.   I would have nominated him also, but was trying to space out my own answers." CreationDate="2021-03-26T04:47:51.927" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25288" PostId="4937" Score="8" Text="Thank you for the nomination. I am flattered and deeply honored, and I will give it a serious thought. My doubts are somehow the ones expressed in Yemon Choi's comment: I  strongly feel a sense of responsibility (and apprehension, admittedly) thinking of joining the moderating team in a moment in which important issues regarding the community are widely debated (welcoming ness, inclusivity, underrepresentation of some groups, etc) and there are sometimes heated discussions and disagreements between the users." CreationDate="2021-03-26T07:20:51.170" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25418" PostId="4937" Score="2" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi:  Hi Francesco, did you come to a decision on whether you'd nominate yourself?  I very much hope that you do." CreationDate="2021-04-02T16:58:49.367" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25422" PostId="4937" Score="2" Text="Dear @Lucia, thank you very much for your vote of confidence. I thought a lot about this, and I concluded that the best option for me is *not* to run as a moderator. There are several reasons, among them: (1) I currently have many academic duties, that leave me little spare time. (2) I have two small kids, so I (and my wife) feel that I should reduce the time that I spend online, not increase it. (3) Re-reading some of my recent contributions on Meta, I realized that, on a couple of occasions, I had an attitude that was perceived as a bit confrontational..." CreationDate="2021-04-03T09:11:23.373" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25423" PostId="4937" Score="1" Text="...This might be ok for a user, but a moderator is supposed to be *always* patient. So, I feel that I should work on this side of my personality, before considering moderation. That said, I learnt a lot on MO, and by now I consider this community as a part of my (mathematical) family. I am sure that the new moderators will provide a fantastic job. By the way, I'm always convinced that you would be a terrific candidate :-)" CreationDate="2021-04-03T09:15:36.323" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25425" PostId="4937" Score="1" Text="Thanks, @FrancescoPolizzi !   Of course I understand your reasons, but still --- our loss." CreationDate="2021-04-03T23:31:00.873" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25301" PostId="4938" Score="7" Text="I would like to support this nomination. YCor has been very active on Meta and has made very many insightful suggestions and ideas that helped the moderation team." CreationDate="2021-03-27T21:27:51.907" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25323" PostId="4938" Score="2" Text="I support this nomination!" CreationDate="2021-03-30T09:27:39.740" UserId="1306" />
  <row Id="25382" PostId="4938" Score="2" Text="I support this nomination, too!" CreationDate="2021-03-31T21:24:12.210" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="25417" PostId="4938" Score="1" Text="I support this nomination, too!" CreationDate="2021-04-02T15:36:50.087" UserId="4149" />
  <row Id="25525" PostId="4938" Score="2" Text="Thank you for proposing. There are a number of reasons for which I prefer not accept, which I don't wish to disclose publicly. A contributing one is the level of my English, which in routine use is not a problem but in a polemical / contradictory context would make me feel uncomfortable. I insist it's only a contributing one." CreationDate="2021-04-07T14:03:58.463" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25526" PostId="4938" Score="2" Text="As regards my current activity on MO as &quot;editor&quot;, I'd feel less confident to do it acting as moderator. These are mostly minor clarifications, notation improvements, and the OP are free to revert them; it occasionally occurs. I find this generally preferable to discussions in comments starting as &quot;I guess you assume X is non-empty&quot; &quot;You seem to assume that A is commutative&quot; &quot;you might include the co.combinatorics tag&quot;, which can stay visible for years while not useful to solving or clarifying the question. Acting as a moderator, such edits could be perceived as intimidating." CreationDate="2021-04-07T14:04:30.657" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25527" PostId="4938" Score="2" Text="Managing tags might be the exception, to which I would have felt useful to have further rights. For instance after [tag:semigroups] and [tag:monoids] were melted into [tag:semigroups-and-monoids], one big task was to detect all its uses as &quot;semigroups of operators&quot; and retag them [tag:semigroups-of-operators]. I manually retagged about 100 questions, trying to limit to 3-4 per day because of bumping, which made the operation quite energy-consuming for me and noisy for MO users. (...)" CreationDate="2021-04-07T14:05:33.923" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25528" PostId="4938" Score="2" Text="(...) Also some obvious synonyms (such as [tag:non-commutative-rings]-&gt;[tag:non-commutative-algebras]) are still pending. And some thinking is needed about organizing tags, notably theoretical computer science oriented tags. I hope new moderators will be active and will further cooperate with regular users on this matter (including being more active on https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/mo-editors-lounge)" CreationDate="2021-04-07T14:06:01.280" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25294" PostId="4942" Score="1" Text="An interesting thing about post titles:  it appears possible to use `[tag:xxx]` in the title when creating a post, but not when editing it.  I tried to edit https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4927/positive-characteristic-and-characteristic-p-are-synonyms accordingly, and was scolded by the software." CreationDate="2021-03-27T17:19:41.580" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25295" PostId="4942" Score="1" Text="A related discussion in chat: [About (slick-proof) and (alternative-proof)](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/about-slick-proof-and-alternative-proof)." CreationDate="2021-03-27T18:01:48.630" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25298" PostId="4942" Score="2" Text="Merged. All options here are &quot;meta tags&quot;. Ideally, these would not exist at all. Can you imagine a MO user who is _systematically_ interested in _all_ alternative or _all_ slick proofs? I can't but in this case, I can imagine a MO user doing a one-time systematic search for alternative proofs but the tag alone will not fully capture all cases and the user should probably use another kind of filtering. In any case, that's enough for not deleting entirely." CreationDate="2021-03-27T20:22:37.707" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="25302" PostId="4942" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, could you post [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4942/remove-tagslick-proof-or-make-it-a-synonym-of-tagalternative-proof#comment25298_4942) as an answer so I can accept it?" CreationDate="2021-03-27T22:41:57.203" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25303" PostId="4942" Score="1" Text="Also, @FrançoisG.Dorais, since you have the capacity to make such actions yourself, would it be possible for you to approve the synonym [tag:characteristic-p] → [tag:positive-characteristic], as in https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4927/positive-characteristic-and-characteristic-p-are-synonyms?" CreationDate="2021-03-27T23:56:37.250" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25314" PostId="4942" Score="1" Text="I like the slick proofs tag... I and my grad student and postdoc friends enjoy looking at slick proofs outside our areas of concentration. Maybe not literally every one, but generally I like looking at cool tricks I can just learn." CreationDate="2021-03-29T18:10:08.580" UserId="126532" />
  <row Id="25315" PostId="4942" Score="0" Text="I think that *everybody* (well, every mathematician) likes looking at slick proofs, but MO is not the place for collecting all things (not even all mathematical things) that are pleasant to look at; SE in general shies away from 'bloggy' content (although MO is different from SE generally in many ways, including this way sometimes).  Also, not to be too crude, I'm much more interested in the community's judgement of which proofs are slick than in any individual question-poser's judgement." CreationDate="2021-03-29T20:04:47.550" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25368" PostId="4944" Score="3" Text="I appreciate the kind words. I will consider this. One hang-up I have concerns some of the discussions of inclusivity we had back in the fall. I know I rubbed some people the wrong way, and I'm still reflecting on whether I should have comported myself in a more &quot;moderate&quot; way. Another echoes some of the reservations expressed by some of the other nominees here -- the prospect of being a moderator entails a level of responsibility which ought to be carefully weighed. And for instance, I have never really contributed very much to clearing review queues. So there are questions to mull over." CreationDate="2021-03-31T14:17:52.100" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25421" PostId="4944" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion I understand your hesitation, but I think you would make a great moderator nonetheless -- I mainly threw my hat in the ring hoping more qualified people (like you) would jump in afterwards, I feel like you represent everything I would want in an MO moderator and would probably rescind my self-nomination if you jumped in." CreationDate="2021-04-03T05:08:49.717" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25424" PostId="4944" Score="1" Text="Thanks again. I finally did decide to submit my name for consideration. I think you're a good candidate, though, and I'd hate for you to withdraw your name on my account." CreationDate="2021-04-03T18:51:48.973" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25426" PostId="4944" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion Then I’ll remain in as well, glad to see you in the running :)." CreationDate="2021-04-04T05:01:19.027" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25312" PostId="4945" Score="3" Text="Maybe the ([meta-tag:mathjax]) tag would fit here? (Even if KaTeX is used, this seems as a general tag for typesetting math.)" CreationDate="2021-03-29T16:31:09.003" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25313" PostId="4945" Score="3" Text="The working demo I’m has issues on mobile, and the mathjax compatibility is a serious issue, but otherwise it seems ok.  I wish it had a visual flag for just whether the paragraph you were working on had an error in it, the workflow of clicking out and clicking back in is kind of annoying." CreationDate="2021-03-29T17:50:23.977" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="25324" PostId="4945" Score="2" Text="Here is a link to similar post on [physics.meta.se]: [How acceptable is prosemirror-math as an editor style for this site?](https://physics.meta.stackexchange.com/q/13488)" CreationDate="2021-03-30T09:38:27.030" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25373" PostId="4945" Score="2" Text="It's a bit unfortunate to have this posted during the moderator election process, which will suck in most of the meta attention for the next couple weeks. It might be appropriate to post this again after the elections are over for increased visibility." CreationDate="2021-03-31T15:07:08.347" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25508" PostId="4945" Score="1" Text="Also notable on this front: the [most recent hearsay from Catija](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/57550881#57550881) is that they are thinking of putting some kind of editing preview into the rich text editor!" CreationDate="2021-04-06T13:26:03.180" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25546" PostId="4946" Score="1" Text="Thanks for handy “review” links against each candidate. Ī̲ won’t rely on verbal declarations. Ī̲ will rely on what they do." CreationDate="2021-04-13T10:49:19.413" UserId="56921" />
  <row Id="25317" PostId="4948" Score="8" Text="Congrats on the permanent position!" CreationDate="2021-03-29T23:50:15.597" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="25318" PostId="4948" Score="1" Text="Thanks :) ${}{}$" CreationDate="2021-03-30T00:06:18.877" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25331" PostId="4948" Score="8" Text="Would you plan to continue making jokes as a moderator? I enjoy some of the jokes around here, but I think from a moderator they'd be unhelpful. E.g. https://mathoverflow.net/questions/378692/whats-a-great-christmas-present-for-someone-with-a-phd-in-mathematics?page=2&amp;tab=active#comment961060_378697" CreationDate="2021-03-30T14:09:50.920" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25332" PostId="4948" Score="6" Text="@Matt: Probably, yes. Maybe to a lesser degree, but I think that some humour in the comments is a good thing. I think that part of the independent sense of community we have here is due to the lax settings in which jokes can be made, and I don't think this should change (regardless to whether or not I'm elected)." CreationDate="2021-03-30T14:15:14.733" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25356" PostId="4948" Score="3" Text="Frankly, I'm not sure how to interpret the downvotes. Are they telling me to withdraw from the race? Is there a specific disagreement? Is it because I dared exercise my right as a user and engage with a candidate?" CreationDate="2021-03-31T07:56:25.983" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25357" PostId="4948" Score="12" Text="the way I would interpret them, is that a confrontational attitude is totally OK for a regular user, but it is not what we would expect from a moderator (as the name says: a person who moderates = mitigates/restrains)" CreationDate="2021-03-31T08:48:42.730" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25358" PostId="4948" Score="4" Text="@Carlo: Someone needs to ask questions. I don't know some of the other candidates well enough, and I also want to vote in this election. What happened to due diligence?" CreationDate="2021-03-31T09:23:54.563" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25377" PostId="4948" Score="4" Text="I assume whoever downvoted this answer, simply upvoted another one. Which means showing support for that candidate's nomination. So it doesn't seem to be a big deal. By the way, you have done a good job on MSE imo. I sometimes feel uncomfortable with the jokes and sarcasm in your comments. But overall, I think your pros outweigh the cons by a fair margin. Good luck!" CreationDate="2021-03-31T18:04:30.427" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="25378" PostId="4948" Score="1" Text="@polfosol: Thanks. I find it odd to downvote one over the other since there are three seats open in this election. We're far from competing for votes here. Which, again, had me confused." CreationDate="2021-03-31T18:06:23.090" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25379" PostId="4948" Score="0" Text="I must confess I'm not sure how one is supposed to vote (up or down) in this election, mainly because my brain has been a bit fried for the last week and I haven't had time/energy to read the rules. It does seem odd that your answer is the only one that has attracted downvotes, at the time of writing" CreationDate="2021-03-31T19:37:40.257" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25380" PostId="4948" Score="5" Text="@Yemon: There's no real written rule. If you support a candidate, and you think they wrote compelling answers to their questions, upvote. If you think they did a bad job answering those questions, downvote. If you're not sure, don't vote. These answers have no real bearing on the election itself, but they do signal something about the support to the nominee. As for the actual election, you have three votes and you rank your top three candidates, the voting is an STV method and in this case (three candidates) I think it practically means you vote for the three people you want in." CreationDate="2021-03-31T19:43:59.477" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25383" PostId="4948" Score="9" Text="@AsafKaragila That's not quite correct, either in this specific case or in general - Voters have a single vote but they may choose who to award it to in a cascading order - it's Single Transferable vote. And, while you're correct that in the past you were able to only rank your top three choices, this election will be the first on the network where you can rank all candidates you wish to support, not merely the top three." CreationDate="2021-03-31T22:03:02.353" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25384" PostId="4948" Score="1" Text="@Catija: You have blown my mind. And the dominoes that fell from the shockwave made sense in the whole idea of STV. So double-thanks!" CreationDate="2021-03-31T22:07:16.877" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25404" PostId="4948" Score="3" Text="@Catija I hope this voting method is clearly explained on the voting page; this seems important information." CreationDate="2021-04-01T18:11:29.820" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25405" PostId="4948" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni You can see the current version (that aligns with the current default of three slots to rank your choices) on the election tab of the election - https://mathoverflow.net/election/2?tab=election There are some links to outside resources there, too. Meeks STV is a fairly standard methodology. The new voting page will be up on Monday as the election transitions into the voting phase (provided we don't end up with a primary). It will have some new text explaining that you may rank as many as you choose but cautioning you to only vote for candidates you think would be good mods." CreationDate="2021-04-01T18:26:01.037" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25427" PostId="4948" Score="6" Text="However you interpret these downvotes, please don't withdraw from the race, and please don't try to change your local attitudes. Imo a mod like you would be good for health of this place." CreationDate="2021-04-04T07:44:09.640" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25428" PostId="4948" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე: Thanks for the vote of confidence!" CreationDate="2021-04-04T12:49:01.023" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25432" PostId="4948" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I understand that you are a moderator and extremely active user at MSE, while also being an active and respected member of the MO community. Could you expand a bit on the similarities and differences between MO and MSE, both in general, and with regard to the way you personally use them? If elected moderator, how would you split your time between the two sites? Also: for how long have you been a moderator at MSE?" CreationDate="2021-04-04T13:13:32.207" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25433" PostId="4948" Score="1" Text="@Tim: That's a lot more than a comment, and I have to leave the house. So I'll edit a proper answer into my post when I come home. But in short, I repeatedly describe MO as meeting a colleague in the hallway or knocking on someone's office. MSE is a lot more like StackOverflow where things move fast and there's less personal feeling to it (it's not entirely gone, though). As for splitting my time, the same as I split it now, really. (I've been a moderator for just over 2.5 years.)" CreationDate="2021-04-04T13:38:54.667" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25326" PostId="4949" Score="2" Text="LIES! You're in BST right now which is GMT+1!!! :-)" CreationDate="2021-03-30T12:10:08.253" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25336" PostId="4949" Score="2" Text="Did you follow meta discussions in the past? It seems that this is your first active participation on meta (at least on the SE 2.0 meta, although you may have participated on the old meta, now known as &quot;tea&quot;)." CreationDate="2021-03-30T17:46:45.660" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25344" PostId="4949" Score="20" Text="@AsafKaragila: I'm not really sure how appropriate it is for one potential candidate to grill another. But I have placed more focus on the actual mathematical questions and answers which is what I believe mathoverflow is really about. Though one of the reasons I'm applying for moderator is that I want to play a more active role in how the site is run and would play an active role on meta." CreationDate="2021-03-30T21:23:39.470" UserId="5101" />
  <row Id="25345" PostId="4949" Score="13" Text="I'm not &quot;grilling&quot; you. I'm sincerely asking. Moderating is a meta-activity. You haven't been active on meta. And I felt that this was important enough to bring up. Thanks for the answer!" CreationDate="2021-03-30T22:21:44.373" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25372" PostId="4949" Score="18" Text="As a point of order, it's quite common for candidates to be questioned about their answers in the comments on their questionnaire or on their nomination. While we certainly want these questions to be civil and fair, people have often responded to such questions in the comments or by editing their answer to cover their response more fully. Particularly in an election for three positions, I feel that it's perfectly fine for this to happen between candidates since they may be co-moderators in the future." CreationDate="2021-03-31T14:54:31.753" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25429" PostId="4949" Score="3" Text="@DanielLoughran I notice that after completing only a handful of reviews for your first 11 years on the site, just yesterday you went on a blitz and completed about 20 of them in one day. This reviewing pattern seems a bit irregular -- could you say something about it? (Personally, I think my own lack of review experience is a black mark on my own candidacy, but I don't think I'd have held your lack of reviewing experience against you.) Also, I applaud you for being one of the first to put your name forward. Could you expand a bit on what serving as moderator would mean to you?" CreationDate="2021-04-04T13:00:40.000" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25434" PostId="4949" Score="2" Text="@TimCampion: Well I thought that if I'm going to take being a moderator seriously then I better get more experience at doing moderator activities, with doing more reviewing being an obvious place to improve as I expect I would be doing a lot of this should I be elected as a moderator." CreationDate="2021-04-04T14:14:53.377" UserId="5101" />
  <row Id="25435" PostId="4949" Score="1" Text="As for what being a moderator would mean to me: I really love MO and have got a lot out of it and learnt so much mathematics. I have mostly focused so far on the Question and Answer side, but I feel that the time is really right for me to give more back to the community and play a more active role on the meta and behind the scenes of MO. I want to move my participation on mathoveflow to the next level and becoming a moderator would mean a lot to me, and I would feel very honoured if the community decided to put their trust in me to perform this role." CreationDate="2021-04-04T14:24:03.700" UserId="5101" />
  <row Id="25436" PostId="4949" Score="2" Text="I feel like I should add that I would also view being a moderator as part of my professional activities as a professional mathematician, rather than just being a &quot;hobby&quot;." CreationDate="2021-04-04T14:25:01.500" UserId="5101" />
  <row Id="25437" PostId="4949" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I think all of that is very admirable!" CreationDate="2021-04-04T14:42:01.103" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25438" PostId="4949" Score="3" Text="Discretely or discreetly? :-)" CreationDate="2021-04-04T15:54:32.233" UserId="61630" />
  <row Id="25440" PostId="4949" Score="0" Text="@Rand al'Thor: Ha good catch! Corrected." CreationDate="2021-04-04T16:53:20.067" UserId="5101" />
  <row Id="25325" PostId="4950" Score="5" Text="thank you, gmvh, for these kind words, I appreciate them; concerning moderation: I'm afraid the commitment would be difficult to reconcile with my day job (and I'm also a bit unsure whether it would be appropriate to have a physicist as moderator --- I do feel welcome here and enjoy the companionship of mathematicians, but I fully realize I am somewhat of an outsider)." CreationDate="2021-03-30T11:46:05.093" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25327" PostId="4950" Score="8" Text="I think the broadening of the disciplinary range covered by the moderation team could actually be a benefit in terms of increased diversity of expertise." CreationDate="2021-03-30T12:24:46.963" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25333" PostId="4950" Score="9" Text="I respect Carlo's decision but I think MO could benefit heavily from having someone with a more applied leaning, including even a scientist outside of math like a physicist, on its moderating team." CreationDate="2021-03-30T15:07:18.813" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25334" PostId="4951" Score="0" Text="Can you elaborate on what makes it less usable, please?" CreationDate="2021-03-30T15:44:51.223" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="25335" PostId="4951" Score="0" Text="@AdamLear I have added something. Note that many of these are not individual bugs, but issues with the general model." CreationDate="2021-03-30T16:49:35.840" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25337" PostId="4951" Score="0" Text="Thank you, much appreciated." CreationDate="2021-03-30T18:02:43.540" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="25338" PostId="4951" Score="1" Text="In the current Markdown + MathJax setup, `\[ ... \]` is not supported either." CreationDate="2021-03-30T18:04:44.057" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25339" PostId="4951" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Yes, it is. You just have to escape the backslash." CreationDate="2021-03-30T18:09:51.240" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25340" PostId="4951" Score="3" Text="Oh, that’s interesting. I had no idea. And it seems that environments like `\\begin{align}...\\end{align}` also work when escaped; until now, I thought these have to be enclosed in `$$ ... $$` to be recognized." CreationDate="2021-03-30T18:20:22.880" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25342" PostId="4951" Score="2" Text="@AdamLear Thank you for taking the time to look at the feedback here." CreationDate="2021-03-30T21:00:42.967" UserId="20729" />
  <row Id="25346" PostId="4951" Score="3" Text="Author here -- thanks for your feedback!  I'll do my best to give some context.  Some of these are just limitations of the demo configuration, which demonstrates `prosemirror-math` in isolation.  The plugin is very configurable (e.g. supporting both `$$...$$` and `\[ ... \]`) and can be added to any ProseMirror editor.  Paste / selection behavior is configurable, and it's also [possible to support](https://github.com/benrbray/noteworthy) markdown-style editing with ProseMirror, which would be up to the authors of the new Stacks editor to include." CreationDate="2021-03-31T03:01:31.307" UserId="111169" />
  <row Id="25347" PostId="4951" Score="7" Text="I do have to say that as an occasional poster to Math.SE, I'd be sad to see the current split-preview editor disappear.  I tend to like wysiwyg, but the ux of a split editor is much easier to get right.  Also, since ProseMirror relies on [`contenteditable`](https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_attributes/contenteditable), it will never behave 100% consistently between browsers (especially on mobile or older platforms)." CreationDate="2021-03-31T03:04:58.563" UserId="111169" />
  <row Id="25351" PostId="4951" Score="4" Text="Thank you @BenjaminBray for your work; I do not want to sound too critical of it; it's just that the main benefits of a WYSIWYG editor are lost on this audience." CreationDate="2021-03-31T06:15:24.253" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25353" PostId="4951" Score="4" Text="Note that SE are [exploring](https://github.com/StackExchange/Stacks-Editor/pull/15) adding a preview pane to their new editor." CreationDate="2021-03-31T07:16:31.083" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25524" PostId="4951" Score="1" Text="&quot;copypasting text containing dollars from another source does not seem to work.&quot; This is going to be very annoying to me. I generally write my long answers in an offline editor and copy paste them over." CreationDate="2021-04-07T13:51:01.130" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="25348" PostId="4954" Score="0" Text="And it's only MathOverflow, not other stacks." CreationDate="2021-03-31T03:31:10.680" UserId="170778" />
  <row Id="25349" PostId="4954" Score="5" Text="I'm getting it on all SE sites. I can block it on MO by adding mathoverflow.net##.js-consent-banner.r16.l16.b16.bar-lg.fc-white.bg-black-750.p32.sm\:w-auto.ws4.z-nav-fixed.ps-fixed.ff-sans to my uBlock Origin filter list, but I don't know a solution that works uniformly across SE sites." CreationDate="2021-03-31T04:09:28.197" UserId="425" />
  <row Id="25355" PostId="4954" Score="4" Text="This is due to https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/359358. There are several reports of users for whom the dialog does not remember the settings or otherwise misbehaves, such as https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/359691. It seems one cause might be that the browser blocks third-party cookies for security reasons (which is a good thing to do; IOW, the design with off-sourcing the dialog to a third party is a stupid idea). Anyway, based on the comments, the only solution that works now seems to be to kill the dialog with an ad blocker." CreationDate="2021-03-31T07:31:08.227" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25361" PostId="4954" Score="3" Text="I got the dialog twice, and then never again.  When you agree, it is not supposed to return next time.  But (as noted in the question) that does not always work." CreationDate="2021-03-31T11:22:26.177" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="25362" PostId="4955" Score="0" Text="I am not taking away from this candidate or any other, but frankly, what does the breadth of mathematical topic have to do with moderating the site? Moderators are not referees on content, and if they do, it's easy to contact someone for an expert opinion." CreationDate="2021-03-31T12:12:31.370" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25363" PostId="4955" Score="7" Text="It certainly helps when determining whether some borderline on-/off-topic content is research-level or not." CreationDate="2021-03-31T12:55:33.267" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25364" PostId="4955" Score="0" Text="I'll concede that this is a valid point. Nevertheless, I still have the feeling that the field should play a very minor role compared to other qualities. In my experience, by the time a moderator sees a problematic question it tend to have gathered some feedback from experts. If Andreas Blass posted a comment on a set theory question that it's too basic for the site, you can just believe him, for example. And similarly with other experts on other fields. It's not always the case, of course, but I feel that that accounts for the majority of cases." CreationDate="2021-03-31T12:58:46.823" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25366" PostId="4955" Score="7" Text="I agree that having breadth in subject expertise is important, and in particular it seems that promoting/encouraging analysis would be good (it seems underrepresented on MO from my casual observations)." CreationDate="2021-03-31T13:53:07.223" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25369" PostId="4955" Score="6" Text="Thank you everyone very much for this nomination and the comments. I feel greatly honored by the nomination. However, I should decline it. I have learned a lot on MO and really enjoy it, and this is what I would like to continue to do." CreationDate="2021-03-31T14:21:14.427" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="25370" PostId="4956" Score="7" Text="I think that it could be a good idea to have a Ph.D. student on the moderator team. Let me take the liberty to ask you a somehow provocative question. Assume (as a thought experiment) that some senior mathematician, that you know very well and could have an influence on your career, posts something inappropriate (for instance, a sexist joke), that some controversy arises, and that you must be the one taking action. What would you do?" CreationDate="2021-03-31T14:27:20.323" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25371" PostId="4956" Score="8" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi This is a very good question. Of course, the reality of that situation would mean that it might at first be difficult to see the situation entirely objectively (I am only human!). However, through careful deliberation, including with other moderators, seeing the reactions and opinions presented by the community, and careful (and transparent!) assessment of the facts, this initial difficulty disappears. A sexist joke (for instance) is equally unwelcome regardless of who makes it. My role as a moderator would be to serve the community, not myself." CreationDate="2021-03-31T14:43:52.203" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="25374" PostId="4956" Score="8" Text="these are thoughtful answers, thank you; since you are in your final year of your Ph.D., I imagine your situation will change quite substantially in the near future; are you planning on staying in academia?" CreationDate="2021-03-31T15:45:04.167" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25375" PostId="4956" Score="4" Text="@CarloBeenakker Thank you! Yes, I am planning on staying in academia (job market permitting)." CreationDate="2021-03-31T16:15:56.167" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="25430" PostId="4956" Score="3" Text="@Carl-FredrikNybergBrodda I notice that you have by far the most MO reviewing experience of any of the candidates, which is fantastic! Could you say a few words about your reviewing experience? What draws you to it? What are some of the considerations at the top of your mind when reviewing? How do you think this experience would inform your work as a moderator?" CreationDate="2021-04-04T13:05:23.673" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25451" PostId="4956" Score="3" Text="@TimCampion Thank you! To me, reviewing (especially first posts) means doing the kind of &quot;small nudges to make the site slightly better&quot; that I really enjoy. Seeing other members' reactions on posts when I am uncertain of the quality has also really helped me get a feel for e.g. what qualifies as &quot;research level&quot; or &quot;on-topic&quot;. There are still some posts where I feel unable to accurately decide; in those cases, I skip the question and let the other reviewers decide. This gives me a small boost of &quot;community spirit&quot; endorphins, which is great for wanting to review more later that day :-)" CreationDate="2021-04-05T11:14:41.137" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="25376" PostId="4957" Score="7" Text="&quot;Solution without a problem&quot; is the perfect way to encapsulate it." CreationDate="2021-03-31T18:03:52.163" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25381" PostId="4958" Score="4" Text="Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials and the move to Ireland!" CreationDate="2021-03-31T20:34:23.517" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25394" PostId="4958" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila Thank you, I'm pretty excited about it :)." CreationDate="2021-04-01T05:44:24.070" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25395" PostId="4958" Score="4" Text="Congratulations - Ireland is lovely!" CreationDate="2021-04-01T06:48:20.920" UserId="1306" />
  <row Id="25398" PostId="4958" Score="4" Text="Congratulations on your upcoming marriage! I would like to ask you a question related to your anxiety issue. Of course, this not intended to be personal, but just to understand if it can impact the community in some ways, as moderation implies a lot of interactions with the other users. Feel free not to answer if the question makes you feel uncomfortable.   As far as I know, anxiety can be exacerbated by stressful situations. Did you think about ways to cope with this, especially when some potentially stressful situations occur during the controversies among users?" CreationDate="2021-04-01T09:42:52.650" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25410" PostId="4958" Score="2" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi Thank you for asking, it is a relevant question. Yes, stressful situations can exacerbate anxiety and historically even social things online could cause me some degree of increased anxiety. Further, my anxiety usually makes me *more confrontational* as opposed to less confrontational, which would be very bad for moderating. I have considered these things and had to deal with them even as a non-moderator interacting on the site, and I do have coping mechanisms for the stress-inducing times. (cont.)" CreationDate="2021-04-01T19:32:09.980" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25411" PostId="4958" Score="3" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi Aside from the obvious, like reminding myself that none of this is personal and that I respect everyone contributing here, I've found that getting married and building a life with my partner has done a great deal to calm my anxiety about... pretty much everything. It's hard not to feel ridiculous stressing about interactions online (and many other small things) when you have a wife to build a future with and kids on the horizon, and this is my ultimate secret weapon against unnecessary anxiety related to moderation." CreationDate="2021-04-01T19:35:52.590" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25412" PostId="4958" Score="3" Text="@AlecRhea: thank you for the thoughtful answers." CreationDate="2021-04-01T19:44:04.960" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25547" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="This person made some good job with reviews. But Ī̲’d wish to see *somewhat more* such a good job." CreationDate="2021-04-13T11:32:20.587" UserId="56921" />
  <row Id="25552" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="@IncnisMrsi Thank you Incnis; yes, I agree that I should participate more in review activity and I intend to. I have been [having issues](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4890/cant-submit-edit-review) with the review interface which has prevented me from participating recently, but I hope to find a solution soon so I can get some hours in." CreationDate="2021-04-13T18:27:46.690" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25393" PostId="4959" Score="5" Text="Do moderators have the power to remove reputation points?" CreationDate="2021-04-01T03:57:44.680" UserId="95685" />
  <row Id="25396" PostId="4959" Score="0" Text="@ThomasBrowning I honestly do not know. In any case this is an issue  that only the community can decide it's worth pursuing if abusive language/behavior becomes a serious issue." CreationDate="2021-04-01T08:19:38.937" UserId="20302" />
  <row Id="25397" PostId="4959" Score="3" Text="@ThomasBrowning As far as I can tell, the possible sanctions include suspensions and account deletion / destruction, but not loss of points or restricting the right to comment without general suspension." CreationDate="2021-04-01T08:26:30.577" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25399" PostId="4959" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: When an account is deleted the votes given by that account are usually removed (the dreaded &quot;User removed&quot; notice), since moderators can delete user accounts, that's one more way of removing points." CreationDate="2021-04-01T09:49:24.997" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25400" PostId="4959" Score="2" Text="I think that the range of punishments is rather limited as is since there is little in between a warning and expulsion. Whether this is good or bad is a matter of debate." CreationDate="2021-04-01T09:52:45.297" UserId="20302" />
  <row Id="25415" PostId="4964" Score="0" Text="This may be a good place to start: https://mathoverflow.net/help/site-moderators" CreationDate="2021-04-02T01:22:02.547" UserId="158000" />
  <row Id="25420" PostId="4964" Score="9" Text="Honestly, Tim, my impression is that *you* would make a very good MO moderator. Please consider this!" CreationDate="2021-04-02T21:19:00.230" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="25416" PostId="4965" Score="1" Text="He's not a moderator. Here is the list: [link](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/users?tab=moderators)." CreationDate="2021-04-02T12:06:57.917" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="25441" PostId="4966" Score="1" Text="Since you engaged with the other candidates, I can ask you &quot;difficult questions&quot; without backlash, I hope. Why being a moderator is going to be any different to being a high-reputation user (which can partake in moderation tasks such as reviews, closure, deletion, etc.)" CreationDate="2021-04-04T18:44:07.503" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25442" PostId="4966" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila I appreciate the question! (I kinda wish there more questions, to be honest!). I'm not completely clear on this. There was very little feedback when I asked about it [over here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4964/what-do-moderators-do-these-days). I would look to the current moderators for guidance, but my understanding is that the primary responsibility of a moderator is to review flagged posts. I do not claim to be uniquely suited to this task, but I am willing to put in some effort at it. Perhaps some of the issues discussed above are irrelevant to moderation." CreationDate="2021-04-04T19:18:26.017" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25443" PostId="4966" Score="2" Text="Thanks. I agree that it'd be ideal for the moderator to tell us about what they actually do before the election. I don't think that a lot of it is reviewing posts directly, rather it's dealing with the controversial issues (e.g. things that are closed/reopened or deleted/undeleted) or problematic users. I know that on MSE there's a lot more low quality material, but we don't intervene too often with that level of moderation. It's mainly things that the community can't do by itself." CreationDate="2021-04-04T19:33:47.623" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25444" PostId="4966" Score="1" Text="&quot;systematically seek out women (and members of other underrepresented demographic groups) and ask them about MO.&quot; &lt;-- the best idea. I believe it's already been done a little bit, but more data is better, and more representative of the breadth of views out there." CreationDate="2021-04-05T05:28:19.007" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25447" PostId="4966" Score="0" Text="@theHigherGeometer actually, for once I'd like to see someone say that they would like to *act on* the responses coming from asking underrepresented or minority groups instead of just asking them about their experiences.  it might seem like a minor difference, but it's the difference between lip-service and action so... it's not that minor.  I should also say that I think Tim has provided a thoughtful and considered response to the questions though, and he's on my shortlist of people to vote for." CreationDate="2021-04-05T07:24:11.003" UserId="56895" />
  <row Id="25449" PostId="4966" Score="0" Text="regarding the integration of underrepresented groups I think it will not suffice to invite members of the respective groups to ask or answer questions on MO but also questions and answers regarding their experience with the &quot;organs&quot; of mathematical research like journals, institutions, forums,etc. should be welcomed and taken serious.&#xA;Maybe installing something like awareness events on meta could be a first idea for MO to take an active part in that respect." CreationDate="2021-04-05T10:31:20.433" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="25450" PostId="4966" Score="0" Text="@postmortes (and Manfred) I definitely agree, and I suspect some moves are being made. Awareness events seem like a very reasonable idea." CreationDate="2021-04-05T10:40:56.090" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25452" PostId="4966" Score="0" Text="@postmortes I absolutely agree about words vs. action. Perhaps I'm betraying my own ignorance, but my perception of the state of things on MO is that we basically haven't done that first step of finding out what the suggestions of various underrepresented groups would actually _be_ -- we just keep recycling discussion of being welcoming to newcomers, etc. After that first step, it is of course important to actually act on such suggestions." CreationDate="2021-04-05T13:19:34.637" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25453" PostId="4966" Score="0" Text="@ManfredWeis I don't know what an awareness event would entail, but it sounds interesting! I'd be interested in finding out more." CreationDate="2021-04-05T13:20:30.877" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25455" PostId="4966" Score="0" Text="I think I agree with a feeling of repeating the same initial steps over and over -- and I am certain that any discussion on how to welcome minorities and underrepresented groups more will be difficult both to start and to manage.  So... I welcome your intention to tackle this :)" CreationDate="2021-04-05T13:59:27.773" UserId="56895" />
  <row Id="25456" PostId="4966" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion what I could imagine would be to encourage questions that bring e.g. women mathematicians to the attention of the mathematical community and/or general public; there is for example that movie about the African American women at NASA, but I can't remember having seen questions regarding these pioneering women on MO.  I think an inherent &quot;problem&quot; in attracting e.g. women as contributors to MO is that the focus is on math, problems and solutions whereas the people behind the math are hardly of interest." CreationDate="2021-04-05T14:09:59.880" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="25457" PostId="4966" Score="0" Text="In line with what postmortes is saying, I wholeheartedly welcome and support your intention to tackle acting on such suggestions!" CreationDate="2021-04-05T15:06:30.557" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="25431" PostId="4967" Score="0" Text="I understand that you are a moderator and extremely active user at MSE, but comparatively less active on MO. Could you expand a bit on the similarities and differences between MO and MSE, both in general, and with regard to the way you personally use them? If elected moderator, how would you split your time between the two sites? Also: for how long have you been a moderator at MSE?" CreationDate="2021-04-04T13:12:14.183" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25454" PostId="4967" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I just noticed your edit in response to my comment -- it's clarifying!" CreationDate="2021-04-05T13:25:15.597" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25531" PostId="4967" Score="2" Text="Not at all active user on math.se, @Tim, for some years now.  Not even an active moderator.  (Also, please know that mathematics.se is math.se, capital letters or not, whereas MSE is meta.se.  I only learned of that distinction a year ago.)" CreationDate="2021-04-08T21:15:35.590" UserId="35987" />
  <row Id="25533" PostId="4967" Score="0" Text="@amWhy (I only became aware of the usage of MSE for meta stack exchange recently too -- I was figuring it was safe to use MSE for math.se in this context, but you're right -- best be consistent!) Pedro Tamaroff is a 100k+ rep user all time on Math.SE and has 1000+ rep on the year. By MO standards, that's quite active. It's difficult to gauge moderator activity from public information as so much of the work is apparently behind the scenes. I do see that Pedro hasn't posted or commented on Math.SE meta since 2017. I for one appreciate your perspective, yourself being an active Math.SE user." CreationDate="2021-04-09T03:01:04.127" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25535" PostId="4967" Score="0" Text="I was in the same position, not knowing math.se wasn't seen as MSE outside of the two math sites, but folks on meta.se wasted no time at all, when I posted a general question on meta.se, and cited two examples on &quot;MSE&quot;... Best to avoid clashing with those folks.  If it's any consolation, I knew, and I'm sure everyone here knows, your use of MSE was meant to refer to math.se.  And as for 1000 rep in a year? that often comes with an occasional post + &quot;royalties&quot; earned with continued upvotes of past posts.  I can vouch for that." CreationDate="2021-04-09T18:29:22.453" UserId="35987" />
  <row Id="25445" PostId="4968" Score="0" Text="Is it possible that you're thinking of this one? It's about quaternions, not complex numbers, with a nice answer by Matt Emerton. https://mathoverflow.net/questions/53822/" CreationDate="2021-04-05T06:12:59.933" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="25446" PostId="4968" Score="1" Text="@DanPetersen:  Thank you, but that's not it.  The question I'm remembering (perhaps incorrectly?) appeared (at least to me) to have much less mathematical content than this one (though the answer/comment I'm remembering suggested that there was more mathematical --- or perhaps philosophical ---  content than had met my eye)." CreationDate="2021-04-05T06:18:56.133" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="25448" PostId="4968" Score="1" Text="I also seem to vaguely remember it, but cannot find it. I only found a (rather unexciting) related question on math.SE (https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/177594/how-to-tell-i-from-i)." CreationDate="2021-04-05T09:43:37.973" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25459" PostId="4968" Score="1" Text="I'm afraid I can't help, but your description does ring a bell. Perhaps either the question or one of the comments/answers mentioned Gal(C/R)?" CreationDate="2021-04-05T17:14:03.360" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25460" PostId="4968" Score="0" Text="I think somebody once even told me that the physicist's $i$ is the mathematician's $-i$. Looking back, I'm pretty sure they were joking :). Although there are weird places where discrepancies like this come up between physics and math conventions. For instance, I believe the physicists' $su(n)$ is really $\pm i$ times the mathematician's $su(n)$, and I can easily imagine discrepancies arising from whether you choose $i$ or $-i$ to be the relevant factor." CreationDate="2021-04-05T17:53:08.437" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25461" PostId="4968" Score="3" Text="I remember that in *Théorie de Hodge* that Deligne makes a point of discussing how the choice of $i$  influences various things such as orientations of complex manifolds. So perhaps it's not such silly question. ( I don't know where it is on MO.)" CreationDate="2021-04-05T18:03:28.223" UserId="4144" />
  <row Id="25509" PostId="4968" Score="2" Text="Why not simply ask this question yourself?  If such a question was asked before, this one will be closed as a duplicate, and you will find out what the original question was.  If it was not asked, you will still receive answers." CreationDate="2021-04-06T13:26:45.593" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25515" PostId="4968" Score="5" Text="@DmitriPavlov:  The main thing I'm trying to remember is exactly what the question was." CreationDate="2021-04-06T17:27:08.240" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="25538" PostId="4968" Score="0" Text="see also https://math.stackexchange.com/q/672795/442" CreationDate="2021-04-12T10:18:54.303" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="25564" PostId="4968" Score="0" Text="Related: https://matheducators.stackexchange.com/questions/7192/pedagogical-quandary-with-the-definition-of-i" CreationDate="2021-04-14T09:00:13.553" UserId="56921" />
  <row Id="25581" PostId="4968" Score="0" Text="Could it be [Model theory of the complex numbers with conjugation](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/345410/model-theory-of-the-complex-numbers-with-conjugation/345420#345420)?" CreationDate="2021-04-14T22:45:39.320" UserId="4832" />
  <row Id="25582" PostId="4968" Score="0" Text="@NateEldredge : good guess, but no." CreationDate="2021-04-15T00:29:36.110" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="25536" PostId="4969" Score="3" Text="No bugs to report, just want to thank. I like it very much, convenient, easy to use, comfortable, efficient, informative." CreationDate="2021-04-10T12:40:38.257" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25462" PostId="4970" Score="0" Text="I didn't find your name in the thread https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4926/2021-moderator-election-suggestions-for-nominees. By whom have you been suggested?" CreationDate="2021-04-05T19:18:33.433" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="25463" PostId="4970" Score="12" Text="@ToddLeason: You don't need to be suggested to nominate yourself or to be a good candidate." CreationDate="2021-04-05T19:21:07.380" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25494" PostId="4970" Score="3" Text="@Stefan Kohl: Concerning quest 1: Do you have a position in academia?" CreationDate="2021-04-05T23:57:00.200" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="25495" PostId="4970" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl You are an extremely experienced reviewer of posts on MO, which is fantastic! Could you say a few words about this? What sorts of concerns are at the forefront of your mind when reviewing posts? Has your approach evolved over the years? What have you learned from this work?" CreationDate="2021-04-06T01:01:26.460" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25502" PostId="4970" Score="2" Text="As to my experience with reviewing -- there are not much surprising things to be said in general. I didn't make a statistics -- but as likely everyone would expect, a part of the posts appearing in the review queues is good as they are, another part of the posts are good after some polishing or clarification, and yet another part cannot be rescued (e.g. calculus homework, and sometimes spam). Over the years I became more careful with my judgments as to which questions can perhaps still be 'repaired' and be made on-topic, and which really cannot." CreationDate="2021-04-06T07:58:11.537" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25503" PostId="4970" Score="3" Text="What I noticed is that there is a steady stream of questions with no positive and no negative feedback which after a year fall victim to auto-deletion, in a part of the cases likely just due to inappropriate tagging. -- I sometimes went through the list of such questions to see which of them could be improved and should be brought back to attention, and edited and sometimes upvoted them." CreationDate="2021-04-06T07:58:34.590" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25469" PostId="4971" Score="0" Text="The latter screen shot comes from why you clicl on &quot;Learn More&quot; in the voting box." CreationDate="2021-04-05T20:07:50.483" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="25471" PostId="4971" Score="2" Text="More clarity about the exact mechanics for how the vote works would be great, too. I believe it is some kind of ranked choice vote. But I fear that a ranked choice vote *where multiple candidates are elected* could be gamed/lead to counterintuitive results..." CreationDate="2021-04-05T20:10:34.573" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25473" PostId="4971" Score="0" Text="I asked separately about the exact mechanics of the vote: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4972/what-are-the-exact-mechanics-of-the-vote-for-mo-moderators" CreationDate="2021-04-05T20:25:55.750" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25490" PostId="4971" Score="0" Text="Good point. If the answer to this is &quot;up to 3&quot;, then the software should not allow one to put more than 3 candidates on the ballot (as it currently does)." CreationDate="2021-04-05T23:31:02.007" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="25493" PostId="4971" Score="3" Text="Based on Catija's response to https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4972/what-are-the-exact-mechanics-of-the-vote-for-mo-moderators it seems like the intent is that you can rank any number of candidates." CreationDate="2021-04-05T23:48:24.327" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25498" PostId="4971" Score="1" Text="@ChristianRemling based on my understanding of the STV style, restricting the number of candidates that can be ranked actually exacerbates the concerns about gaming the vote and spoilers because people may change their rankings based on people they believe are guaranteed and, instead, vote for second choice as their primary to get them into the second slot. If many people do this, that presumed winner may not win at all. STV is still imperfect as there's cases where everyone shares the same second choice and they end up eliminated first round... but that's somewhat rare." CreationDate="2021-04-06T05:04:52.380" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25507" PostId="4971" Score="0" Text="This looks fixed now." CreationDate="2021-04-06T13:18:31.280" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25512" PostId="4971" Score="1" Text="@Catija: I think you misunderstood my comment. I wasn't commenting on what the voting system should be, I was just pointing out that whatever the rules are, the software should enforce them (for example, not let one rank more candidates than is allowed in the voting system, should there be such a cap)." CreationDate="2021-04-06T14:38:52.690" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="25541" PostId="4971" Score="1" Text="We added &quot;You should only rank the candidates you think would make good moderators.&quot; to the info box and the voting controls." CreationDate="2021-04-12T22:03:02.573" UserId="35318" />
  <row Id="25481" PostId="4973" Score="0" Text="Thanks! I guess one follow up question would be: is it always sensible to use all of your rankings?" CreationDate="2021-04-05T20:56:10.193" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25482" PostId="4973" Score="0" Text="@SamHopkins That, I don’t know. I’ve actually never studied the process :-) Personally, I seldom ranked all the candidates in the elections in which I voted, only those I wanted to vote for." CreationDate="2021-04-05T21:00:51.140" UserId="84320" />
  <row Id="25484" PostId="4973" Score="4" Text="@SamHopkins no! You should only rank candidates you wish to see as moderators. Candidates you feel are unfit should not be ranked." CreationDate="2021-04-05T22:19:27.527" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25616" PostId="4973" Score="2" Text="@Catija I wonder if it'd be possible to emphasise that more in the election guidance, as it seems to be confusing a few people. When voting in this MO election, I ranked all 9 candidates, even the one(s) that I didn't want to win." CreationDate="2021-04-18T07:45:25.183" UserId="61630" />
  <row Id="25485" PostId="4974" Score="5" Text="Thanks very much! In particular the information that you should only rank candidates you wish to win the election is very helpful (and possibly could be advertised more clearly on the election page itself)." CreationDate="2021-04-05T22:35:13.177" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25486" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="Also, are you supposed to submit the ballot somehow?  Or is it just counted automatically according to your preferences when the voting period ends?" CreationDate="2021-04-05T22:39:28.877" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25487" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="There should be a button to indicate that you are finished but you don't need to &quot;submit&quot;, @Lucia if it is unclear, consider checking the bug post here on MO meta." CreationDate="2021-04-05T22:40:56.460" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25488" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="@Catija:  I don't see a button to indicate that I'm finished.  I'll check also the bug post." CreationDate="2021-04-05T23:07:19.313" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25489" PostId="4974" Score="2" Text="@Lucia this video looks like my info is incorrect. Saving is automatic and you don't need to do anything to confirm your vote. https://youtu.be/b0KHJsmFCO8" CreationDate="2021-04-05T23:30:25.180" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25491" PostId="4974" Score="1" Text="@Catija:  Thanks!  So as I understand it, users can edit their preferences until the last minute, and the system will just retain the last saved preference." CreationDate="2021-04-05T23:40:48.713" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25492" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="That's correct, @Lucia !" CreationDate="2021-04-05T23:43:23.167" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25519" PostId="4974" Score="1" Text="Does your last paragraph imply that it is possible for less than 3 candidates to be elected, if people vote for few enough candidates?" CreationDate="2021-04-07T03:18:11.653" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25522" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="@WillSawin: I believe no: all ties are resolved using pseudo-random choice, according to [the original specification](http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.NSF/Files/meekm/$file/meekm.pdf) linked at the Wikipedia page." CreationDate="2021-04-07T09:27:36.697" UserId="108637" />
  <row Id="25513" PostId="4975" Score="1" Text="I can see all candidates on an iPhone with mobile Safari, but only after I have logged in (with sufficient reputation). Before logging in I see the same thing as in your screenshot." CreationDate="2021-04-06T14:52:22.470" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25514" PostId="4975" Score="0" Text="Thanks for checking! It's good to know that only &lt;150 rep users have this issue." CreationDate="2021-04-06T14:53:15.697" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25516" PostId="4976" Score="8" Text="Oh, I see now that this was a meta question, but I answered as though it was on main. Please forgive me." CreationDate="2021-04-06T19:42:12.453" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="25517" PostId="4976" Score="13" Text="I am not sure whether this question/answer is appropriate here on Meta---perhaps it should simply be migrated to the main site?" CreationDate="2021-04-06T19:52:51.037" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="25518" PostId="4976" Score="3" Text="Thanks for this, though for reasons that include nostalgia, I'd still like to find the original question I asked about." CreationDate="2021-04-06T21:38:23.563" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="25537" PostId="4976" Score="7" Text="I would urge you (or someone) to create a question on main MO with the $i$ versus $-i$ question, and with your answer, which I found very illuminating.(You might want to fix the typo  &quot;one may recovers the uniqueness&quot;.) In some way, this is similar to the &quot;coarse versus fine moduli space&quot; issue in algebraic geometry. Many problems, for example classifying isomorphism class of elliptic curves (over $\mathbb C$, say), admit a coarse moduli space, but to get a fine moduli space, one must add structure to &quot;kill&quot; automorhisms. Of course, one can get fancier with staicks (but I won't!)." CreationDate="2021-04-10T22:08:16.590" UserId="11926" />
  <row Id="25757" PostId="4976" Score="2" Text="As the poster noted, this answer doesn't even attempt to answer the original question.  It's a good answer, but still totally inapplicable to this question.  So why have 35 people up-voted it already?" CreationDate="2021-04-29T00:42:06.917" UserId="157443" />
  <row Id="25520" PostId="4978" Score="1" Text="I've just seen I fell into the same trap as Joel." CreationDate="2021-04-07T06:59:02.047" UserId="447" />
  <row Id="25521" PostId="4978" Score="2" Text="It is not enough merely to designate a root of -1, since there are many other automorphisms of the complex field, which fix i. You basically have to designate a copy of R inside the field, as well as i." CreationDate="2021-04-07T08:56:29.280" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="25523" PostId="4978" Score="2" Text="Right, more is needed. Specifying continuity of automorphisms for C as R^2 is one way of phrasing things. Then specifying i." CreationDate="2021-04-07T10:19:47.557" UserId="447" />
  <row Id="25532" PostId="4981" Score="2" Text="(Not related to the bug, but François G. Dorais is in fact a logician.)" CreationDate="2021-04-08T22:13:39.033" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25822" PostId="4981" Score="0" Text="We've shipped a fix for this on the [site specific activity](https://mathoverflow.net/users/1898/federico-poloni?tab=activity&amp;sort=comments), but not the [network-wide activity](https://stackexchange.com/users/232345/federico-poloni?tab=activity). It's difficult for us to fix it on the network-wide activity, so we're only going to fix it on the site specific activity. Great catch, Federico!" CreationDate="2021-05-11T15:08:28.997" UserId="215057" />
  <row Id="25611" PostId="4982" Score="2" Text="I posted my answer [over on math.SE](https://math.stackexchange.com/a/4106265/413) as you suggested." CreationDate="2021-04-17T20:33:59.763" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="25540" PostId="4984" Score="3" Text="a comment on the answer on MO would indeed be far more appropriate." CreationDate="2021-04-12T17:09:52.483" UserId="47167" />
  <row Id="25625" PostId="4984" Score="0" Text="+1 for &quot;this is meta mathoverflow, not meta joelD.hamkinsOverflow&quot;" CreationDate="2021-04-21T02:16:13.537" UserId="112241" />
  <row Id="25545" PostId="4986" Score="3" Text="I will just add that, when using SEDE queries, one should keep in mind switching the site to MathOverflow. And you also need the userid, but that can be found easily from the user's profile: [What is my user ID?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/98771) Some posts and queries related to candidate score [were also mentioned in the election chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=score&amp;room=122425)." CreationDate="2021-04-13T09:51:25.503" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25548" PostId="4986" Score="2" Text="I guess it tickles my pride, but I was not unhappy with my score." CreationDate="2021-04-13T13:04:48.753" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25549" PostId="4987" Score="1" Text="Do they only have spam links in their profiles or do they post links in posts as well?" CreationDate="2021-04-13T16:39:30.347" UserId="64625" />
  <row Id="25550" PostId="4987" Score="1" Text="So far only in their profiles, but they are everywhere. If this isn't stopped somehow, there will soon be more spam users than real users." CreationDate="2021-04-13T16:52:22.453" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25551" PostId="4987" Score="5" Text="Yea, after some poking around I can see a growing problem. Random examples [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/178318/chip-packard) and [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/users/179244/kubet888-nha-cai-kubet-uy-tin). These accounts can be destroyed on sight without anything of value getting lost." CreationDate="2021-04-13T16:59:40.847" UserId="64625" />
  <row Id="25558" PostId="4987" Score="2" Text="A previous related post: [Ability to flag user accounts as spam](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4892). It contains links to some [other discussions related to the issue](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/4892)." CreationDate="2021-04-14T03:56:48.827" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25560" PostId="4987" Score="0" Text="I will add that it is possible to search among user for usernames containing certain string. As an example, I will add [dental](https://mathoverflow.net/users?search=dental) - you can see there both accounts which are clearly legitimate user names (such as Transcendental) and usernames which seem to be created with the intention to advertise some facility which provides dental care. Of course, you can replace this string by some other word you'd expect to be used by spammers." CreationDate="2021-04-14T04:27:05.853" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25571" PostId="4987" Score="2" Text="Clearly there is a problem with the anti-bot software." CreationDate="2021-04-14T16:43:13.280" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25597" PostId="4987" Score="1" Text="Thanks for raising this - I had been planning to ask a meta question along these lines." CreationDate="2021-04-16T20:24:55.260" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="26941" PostId="4987" Score="1" Text="There is a recent feature request on [meta.se] related to this: [Could we have a minimum reputation for visible profiles?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/375953)" CreationDate="2022-02-06T07:21:57.003" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25553" PostId="4988" Score="7" Text="It may be that this spam is not terribly impactful in term of achieving its purpose, but there are currently over a hundred such users being created *per hour*!" CreationDate="2021-04-13T18:36:35.403" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25554" PostId="4988" Score="3" Text="Yes, I understand, it's crazy. This is something that is happening on several websites (you can see the accounts exist on multiple SE sites), it's well above the pay grade of the moderators here, and there is not a lot they can do. Since CMs are paying attention due to the election, they might be quick to respond. In any case, this is nothing to worry about at this point. And I say that as someone who usually worries about every single spammer account (on MSE)." CreationDate="2021-04-13T18:40:39.260" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25555" PostId="4988" Score="6" Text="(Just for completeness, I sent an emails to the MO team a few hours ago on this topic.)" CreationDate="2021-04-13T18:41:17.950" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25559" PostId="4988" Score="3" Text="Saying that it is *fully blocked* is a bit overstatement. It is true that the links are rendered as plaintext. Google still might find the text contained there. It would be nice if SE implemented some of the suggestions given here: [Spam Profiles are getting my goat. Could we have better tools for mods to deal with profile spam?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/303746) (Hiding profiles of such users or at least preventing them from being indexed.)" CreationDate="2021-04-14T04:00:52.437" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25572" PostId="4988" Score="5" Text="This problem lately seems to affect MO and four other StackExchange sites (Stack Overflow, Server Fault, Super User, and Ask Ubuntu). What seems to be a particular problem for MO is that these spam users show up on the main page under Recent Badges; I for one don't see Recent Badges on any other SE site. And while I don't lose sleep over it, it is a nuisance, and I dislike the idea of such users getting free advertising on MO." CreationDate="2021-04-14T17:24:30.120" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="25573" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="By the way, congratulations Asaf! Hope you're enjoying your new role." CreationDate="2021-04-14T17:25:22.003" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="25574" PostId="4988" Score="7" Text="@shane.orourke: That is because MO traded the Hot Network Questions for Recent Badges many years ago, other sites don't have that on display anymore, which is why it is &quot;less obvious&quot; there. And I can assure you that literally the first thing I did with my diamond powers was look into that and notify some higher-ups of this issue." CreationDate="2021-04-14T17:38:51.320" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25575" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="@Asaf That's interesting history I wasn't aware of - and thanks for pursuing this." CreationDate="2021-04-14T19:40:35.887" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="25580" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="@shane.orourke A post on [meta.se] related to your observation: [Which sites show recent badges on the frontpage?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/363255)" CreationDate="2021-04-14T20:54:06.113" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25585" PostId="4988" Score="6" Text="Could we ask that &quot;Recent Badges&quot; no longer be shown on the front page? Every one I see at the moment is spam Autobiographer." CreationDate="2021-04-15T17:49:19.957" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="25586" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="If I understood the discussion correctly, most of the concerns are due to the fact that the spam users show up on &quot;recent badges&quot; page. This was surprising for me because I have been a regular user of the SE network for over five years and I have never seen or noticed such page! &#xA; Just sayin..." CreationDate="2021-04-15T20:10:02.327" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="25587" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="@polfosol: On almost all SE websites this list is not visible anymore." CreationDate="2021-04-15T20:18:19.493" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25588" PostId="4988" Score="5" Text="As I found out at the question Martin linked, the network-wide site software uses Recent Badges as literal filler if the HNQ list is disabled. I strongly support just turning the it off. There are only a tiny handful of sites without HNQ (and so have recent badges filler), and I doubt anyone would miss the list." CreationDate="2021-04-16T02:28:41.643" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25590" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="I agree with @JosephO'Rourke (no relation!) and theHigherGeometer that Recent Badges should no longer appear on our front page." CreationDate="2021-04-16T10:42:27.020" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="25591" PostId="4988" Score="3" Text="@theHigherGeometer: I'd actually miss it, although not in its current form, obviously, full of spambots. But I did already float the idea up." CreationDate="2021-04-16T10:43:15.093" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25592" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke (or theHigherGeometer): Making you could post the suggestion made in the comments in a separate post as a feature request? (See also [brief exchange with Asaf Karagila](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/recent-badges-on-the-frontpage) in chat.) A possible alternative could be to show only users above some minimal reputation in that list." CreationDate="2021-04-16T14:37:09.060" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25593" PostId="4988" Score="5" Text="@Martin: SE offered to just filter out the Autobiographer badge from that list, which is also a good solution." CreationDate="2021-04-16T14:37:49.200" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25594" PostId="4988" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila Now there is a feature request about the suggestion mentioned in your most recent comment: [FIltering out the Autobiographer badge from “Recent Badges”](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4993)" CreationDate="2021-04-16T16:08:11.150" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25596" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="And now none of the spam autobiographer badges is to be seen under Recent Badges! A magic wand has evidently been put to good use..." CreationDate="2021-04-16T20:22:04.390" UserId="22599" />
  <row Id="25603" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="@shane.orourke SE has stopped bronze badges being shown altogether, rather than just Autobiographer. Whether this is the right solution is up for debate, I feel." CreationDate="2021-04-17T02:40:22.513" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25607" PostId="4988" Score="1" Text="@theHigherGeometer: This is supposed to be a temporary fix while we figure out how to solve the real problem." CreationDate="2021-04-17T07:33:05.617" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25556" PostId="4989" Score="18" Text="Congratulations!! I for one welcome our new overlords." CreationDate="2021-04-13T20:27:49.347" UserId="35357" />
  <row Id="25570" PostId="4990" Score="16" Text="I must say now that the election is over:  I was very impressed by all the candidates, and this group of three will really be re-energizing." CreationDate="2021-04-14T15:43:00.937" UserId="299" />
  <row Id="25561" PostId="4991" Score="4" Text="This previous question seems related: [Migrating to Math.SE: too many close reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2319)" CreationDate="2021-04-14T07:49:03.040" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25562" PostId="4991" Score="3" Text="Honestly, the difference between the first two MO-specific close-reasons isn't very clear. Maybe they should be merged?" CreationDate="2021-04-14T08:00:44.997" UserId="45250" />
  <row Id="25563" PostId="4991" Score="6" Text="@gmvh I always read the first one as &quot;It's not just that it's not research-level; your question is bad and it would be closed even on math.SE&quot;." CreationDate="2021-04-14T08:26:20.563" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25565" PostId="4991" Score="1" Text="@gmvh Here is another question about difference between those two reason: [What's the difference between two off-topic flags?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3766) (And maybe also: [Redundant ways to close as off-topic/better on MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1856).) As far as I can tell, these two close reasons were introduced in 2013, following a request from MO: [Revamping the closure reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1193)." CreationDate="2021-04-14T10:46:12.480" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25566" PostId="4991" Score="8" Text="Martin's [link](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2321/11260) explains why migrations that are not initiated by the OP should be discouraged, so making it easier to migrate based on close votes is perhaps not a good course of action." CreationDate="2021-04-14T10:46:17.733" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25567" PostId="4991" Score="7" Text="My view is that if a question has no answers, it's better for the OP to delete it and post a copy at the appropriate site. It's only when there are some nice answers that deserve to be preserved that the migration tool is called for." CreationDate="2021-04-14T14:40:13.983" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25568" PostId="4991" Score="0" Text="BTW the tags ([meta-tag:math-stackexchange]), ([meta-tag:migration]), ([meta-tag:close-reasons]) are some of the tags that might possibly fit this question." CreationDate="2021-04-14T15:33:24.683" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25569" PostId="4991" Score="2" Text="I think option 2 is suggesting to the OP that MSE might be a better fit for the question but leaving it up to the OP.  It doesn't actually migrate the question and many people who use MO don't use MSE and so might not feel comfortable doing an actual migration." CreationDate="2021-04-14T15:35:12.657" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="25576" PostId="4991" Score="3" Text="My understanding is that a big problem on many SE sites is people migrating low-quality questions, which the other site then has to deal with. So the difficulty of finding this option may be a feature, not a bug." CreationDate="2021-04-14T20:09:33.867" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25577" PostId="4991" Score="7" Text="My reading is somewhat similar to Federico Poloni. I would interpret the three, in reverse order, as &quot;Your question is more appropriate for math.SE than MO, but otherwise good, I think it would be well-received at math.SE, so I am pushing it there.&quot;, &quot;Your question is about a topic suitable for math.SE but needs to be rewritten. Please ask a refined version there.&quot;, and &quot;I don't think any version of your question would be well-received.&quot; But my interpretations may not be universal." CreationDate="2021-04-14T20:11:44.907" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25578" PostId="4991" Score="0" Text="@CarloBeenakker I agree that the points made in that link are relevant, but the issue seems to primarily lie with the 'special status' of migrated questions on the target site as opposed to the overall quality of the questions migrated. The quoted rejection rate is 1% off from the close rate at math stackexchange which is essentially just noise in the data, so the questions we migrate are as likely to be good as the overall questions asked there. THe issue seems to be that migrated ones are 'frozen' to some extent on the target site, and not amenable to usual editing tools. Can we change this?" CreationDate="2021-04-14T20:14:13.677" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25579" PostId="4991" Score="0" Text="@WillSawin My reading is generally in line with what you and Federico are expressing, although it seems like the issues with migration have less to do with question quality overall (at least from MO to MSE) and more to do with the special status of migrated questions." CreationDate="2021-04-14T20:16:01.007" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25583" PostId="4991" Score="3" Text="@WillSawin these are my readings also. And, given a recent reminder by Asaf about not migrating bad questions to math.SE, I'm loath to suggest the middle option if it's clearly a homework fishing exercise, and will write a comment explaining briefly that the question needs to be changed, as well as saying it's off-topic at MO (the close comes and its reason comes later than any downvote/comment, so it's important to give meaningful feedback over a -1)." CreationDate="2021-04-15T01:32:47.303" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25584" PostId="4991" Score="0" Text="The above discussion reminded me of this older post: [Comment template for questions more appropriate for MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971)." CreationDate="2021-04-15T12:37:04.053" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25595" PostId="4993" Score="3" Text="My understanding is that this is one of the options SE is considering. We don't have any word on what the timeline is for implementing something like this." CreationDate="2021-04-16T16:13:15.210" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27016" PostId="4993" Score="3" Text="A recent post on [meta.se]: [Remove 'Autobiographer' from Recent Badges](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/376601)." CreationDate="2022-02-25T16:44:17.397" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27084" PostId="4993" Score="3" Text="This has now been implemented network-wide, per [Catija's answer to the linked MSE post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/376992/335251). Per that answer: &quot;We [now] have a site setting that blocks specific badges from appearing in the list of recently awarded badges on both a network-wide and per-site basis. We can override that network-wide block on a per-site basis (e.g. a site specifically wants to keep Autobiographer in their list of recently awarded badges). We can still block all bronze badges on a per-site basis.&quot; Catija is working with the MO mods on updating the site settings." CreationDate="2022-03-09T18:53:46.413" UserId="350173" />
  <row Id="25598" PostId="4994" Score="1" Text="Not perfect, since there are bronze badges that are non-trivial to get and worth recognising in some fashion. One option would be to retire the Autobiographer badge altogether." CreationDate="2021-04-16T22:28:07.357" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25600" PostId="4994" Score="4" Text="The spammers aren't trying to get the badge. It's a side effect of editing the profile. Removing it isn't really necessary." CreationDate="2021-04-16T22:41:51.280" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25602" PostId="4994" Score="2" Text="Well, clearly. But if there were no such thing as the Autobiographer badge, then the annoying symptom will be gone, and people who get bronze badges for actual contributions (like Nice Question) get some small recognition." CreationDate="2021-04-17T02:38:25.100" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25609" PostId="4994" Score="1" Text="@theHigherGeometer: I think the Autobiographer is a good badge. It's an easy and low-cost gamification that encourages people to fill in their profile. (Compare that to badges like Archaeologist which sometimes drive people to make ridiculous edits that bump very old posts in droves just to get the tag, or reviewer badges that drive people to robo-review and clear low quality posts without making a serious consideration. Of course, both these badges have merit when earned organically through proper use of the system, I'm not calling for their removal.)" CreationDate="2021-04-17T07:36:20.067" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25973" PostId="4994" Score="1" Text="Just to clarify, this was done only on MO and only on the main site? I see some Autobiographer badges [on MathOverflow Meta](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/help/badges) and when I tried some other sites, I was able to see Autobiographer (or at least some bronze badges) also on the main site: [Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/help/badges), [Sports](https://sports.stackexchange.com/help/badges)." CreationDate="2021-06-02T05:36:45.577" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25974" PostId="4994" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak it's MO only and I didn't remove the badges entirely, I only stopped them from appearing in the sidebar - that sidebar doesn't appear on most sites, only when the hot network questions are hidden." CreationDate="2021-06-02T05:39:43.733" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25975" PostId="4994" Score="1" Text="@Catija Thanks for the response. You're right - the list of badges in the help center (which I linked to) is definitely less visible than the one on the frontpage. (Only shown on MO - main and meta - since they do not show the HNQs.)" CreationDate="2021-06-02T05:46:49.573" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25599" PostId="4995" Score="8" Text="They can't vote without earning 15 reputation - it's extremely unlikely that they're aware enough of how badges work. They create these accounts on sites that don't have the badges in the sidebar so that's clearly not actually their primary goal. I'm really not concerned about this as a possible outcome." CreationDate="2021-04-16T22:40:41.963" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="25601" PostId="4995" Score="4" Text="If it's an arms race, it's clearly skewed in our favour. We simply train the spammers to ask and answer good questions and good answers. Who wouldn't want to solve an open problem with a spammer?" CreationDate="2021-04-17T01:59:53.430" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25606" PostId="4995" Score="7" Text="@AsafKaragila You mean like https://xkcd.com/810/ ?" CreationDate="2021-04-17T07:00:27.380" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25608" PostId="4995" Score="1" Text="@Emil: Precisely. I was just too lazy to find the link." CreationDate="2021-04-17T07:33:32.437" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25626" PostId="4996" Score="1" Text="I agree that migration should be something only moderators do." CreationDate="2021-04-21T05:47:14.397" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25615" PostId="4997" Score="0" Text="I guess that &quot;the question that just popped up in the que&quot; might be a typo. (Although [Wiktionary](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/que) says that this is used in South Asia as an alternative for queue.) As I wasn't sure what you wanted to write, I left a comment rather than editing the post." CreationDate="2021-04-18T06:37:55.747" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25618" PostId="4997" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak It is indeed a typo, but I learned something new! Fixed." CreationDate="2021-04-19T01:17:20.623" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25617" PostId="4998" Score="1" Text="Thorough as always Martin, thank you." CreationDate="2021-04-19T01:16:14.247" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25619" PostId="4999" Score="1" Text="I'll add that the inspiration for this question came from [this question](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/390598/i-want-to-enter-graduate-school-in-pure-math-is-doing-reu-in-mathematical-mode)." CreationDate="2021-04-19T17:26:50.677" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25620" PostId="4999" Score="8" Text="Some thoughts: (1) The biggest feature determining what types of career advice questions on MO are acceptable is quantity - there shouldn't be so many of these questions that it starts to push out the more directly mathematical content of this site, but having a few is fine. The quantity now seems fine to me. (2) The best questions for MO are those where the expertise that is needed to answer is really that of research mathematicians - in particular, questions which touch on the nature of some area of mathematics and not just the structure of academia." CreationDate="2021-04-19T19:31:01.537" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25621" PostId="4999" Score="2" Text="An example of a question which is maybe problematic in other ways, but is a great example of a case where MO's unique community is helpful: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/289259/ An example of a good career advice question, in part because some of the knowledge needed to give an (IMO) good answer is in research-level number theory: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/354542/" CreationDate="2021-04-19T19:36:17.630" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25622" PostId="4999" Score="5" Text="@WillSawin Thanks for the examples! I like this perspective. In fact, I think I'm coming around to the idea that there are a great many sorts of questions which we wouldn't want to be overrun by here, but which can work quite well in limited _volume_. There's no need to _artificially_ constrain the sorts of benefits our collective expertise can provide to folks." CreationDate="2021-04-19T21:31:03.170" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25623" PostId="5000" Score="3" Text="Great advice! If I may add one thing, I'd suggest that _whenever_ one gives advice to a stranger on the internet, and particularly here on MO, it's best to explicitly remind the advisee that you don't know them or their personal details. Part of one's advice should be to also seek out advice from people they know personally, who will be more familiar with the details of their situation." CreationDate="2021-04-19T21:33:46.650" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25624" PostId="5000" Score="1" Text="That's a good point!" CreationDate="2021-04-20T00:16:45.513" UserId="1227" />
  <row Id="25627" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the input. Any suggestions on how you would like to fix the software? I think also the SE folks would be happy to have a method to make the UI more intuitive, too." CreationDate="2021-04-21T06:04:12.817" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25645" PostId="5002" Score="2" Text="One way to start is fix the issues mentioned in the main post.  Include comments in the search engine input, make it possible to accept a comment as an answer, turn off the bots bumping the posts, etc.  Once those things are out of the way, we can see where we are and whether more needs to be done." CreationDate="2021-04-23T06:10:13.060" UserId="129086" />
  <row Id="25646" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="Comments being 'second-class citizens' is a deliberate design decision from Stack Exchange; if I understand correctly, you wish to revert it. This would probably face a lot of opposition in meta.se, and if it were applied it would produce a completely different system. If you want a forum rather than a Q&amp;A site, then this probably isn't the right place." CreationDate="2021-04-23T06:21:22.300" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25677" PostId="5002" Score="3" Text="@Federico I could imagine at the least a flag that's functionally the reverse of the &quot;this is not an answer&quot; one, and mod tool that allows a comment to be converted to an answer, the reverse of the one now existing." CreationDate="2021-04-24T13:58:00.397" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25678" PostId="5002" Score="1" Text="@theHigherGeometer I agree with you, but note that this is not going to solve the problem by itself; just mitigate its consequences and create more work for the moderators." CreationDate="2021-04-24T14:08:10.627" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25695" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I was trying to put the most positive spin on the suggestion by none, but it would be a big change to the software" CreationDate="2021-04-24T22:20:52.660" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25628" PostId="5003" Score="3" Text="Certainly, any company can go under. If you are worried so much about the preservation of your content, you should definitely archive it elsewhere as well, the more places the better. However, there is no way to get an absolute guarantee; your independent archives may also get destroyed." CreationDate="2021-04-21T08:02:50.670" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25629" PostId="5003" Score="0" Text="Good idea, thank you. A printout, in addition to the cloud, may not be a bad idea either." CreationDate="2021-04-21T08:04:54.687" UserId="140356" />
  <row Id="25631" PostId="5003" Score="12" Text="I think the reason for the downvotes on and closure of your question &quot;Understanding the mechanics behind the Riemann hypothesis&quot; is just that -- as opposed to concrete questions which can plausibly be answered here -- posts in blog-like format are not really well-suited for this site. -- While (being a group theorist and not an analytical number theorist), I cannot comment on the mathematical contents of your post, please don't take the reactions of the community as discouragement to further contribute to this site!" CreationDate="2021-04-21T09:04:45.927" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25630" PostId="5004" Score="4" Text="Some older posts which mention the user of [deleted:1](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=deleted%3A1) for 10k+ users: [How to know if an old post is deleted, when I cannot find it](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3493) and [Recovering just for me my deleted question (or answer)](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2735). (And this is probably summarized in a slightly better way in this answers to this question on [math.meta.se]: [Is there any way to see my deleted questions or answers?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/13948))" CreationDate="2021-04-21T08:24:28.103" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25855" PostId="5005" Score="2" Text="Maybe it is worth adding that in this way the version which is saved only shows the first page of answers and the comments are collapsed. This might matter for posts with many answers/comments. A possible workaround might be using StackPrinter, e.g., a question with many answers shown as a snapshot saved [directly from MO](http://web.archive.org/web/20210507034620/https://mathoverflow.net/questions/23478/examples-of-common-false-beliefs-in-mathematics) and [from StackPrinter](http://web.archive.org/web/20210515054930/http://www.stackprinter.com/export?question=23478&amp;service=mathoverflow)." CreationDate="2021-05-15T05:52:05.363" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25633" PostId="5006" Score="14" Text="Aside from the general question, here the OP has deleted their question after you answered it -- that is rude. Therefore I undeleted the question." CreationDate="2021-04-21T19:14:26.280" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25635" PostId="5006" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl, I like your comment here: &quot;that is rude.&quot; The alternative version in your comment on the post, with &quot;can be considered rude&quot;, is true of almost everything." CreationDate="2021-04-22T02:06:58.873" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25636" PostId="5006" Score="0" Text="I must admit I don't know exactly how undeletion works. According to [this post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/how-does-deleting-work-what-can-cause-a-post-to-be-deleted-and-what-does-that/5222#5222), high-rep users ($\geq 20k$) can vote to undelete a post, and it takes 3 votes to undelete it under normal circumstances. But I don't know if or where a post with an undelete vote shows up in the review queues. If it doesn't show up in the queue, then it seems like you will have to advertise on meta to have a real chance of garnering enough votes." CreationDate="2021-04-22T15:26:13.040" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25637" PostId="5006" Score="3" Text="In general, since your undelete vote will not unilaterally undelete the post without others weighing in, I wouldn't worry about the &quot;ethics&quot; of it -- just vote for it and see what happens. I agree that in these particular circumstances, the deletion of the post was rude, and moderator intervention was warranted. If your answer had had time to attract even _one_ upvote, the software would not have _allowed_ the OP to delete the post in the first place. Perhaps @StefanKohl might know where posts with undelete votes show up in the review system?" CreationDate="2021-04-22T15:27:35.543" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25638" PostId="5006" Score="2" Text="@TimCampion Users with &gt;=10k points can vote to undelete a question, and it takes 3 votes to take effect. Posts with recent delete- and undelete votes are shown in the tools here: https://mathoverflow.net/tools?tab=delete&amp;daterange=last30days (accessible for users with at least 10k points)." CreationDate="2021-04-22T16:03:36.347" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25639" PostId="5006" Score="0" Text="I would be still curious to know what is accepted behavior. Is it ethical to (propose to) undelete any post just because I find it interesting if the OP deleted it?" CreationDate="2021-04-22T18:54:28.713" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="25640" PostId="5006" Score="2" Text="@domotorp I think question deletion sometimes has to do with a sense of wanting proprietary claim on an idea or notion; I think we forfeit this right as soon as we bring an idea to MO for collaborative evaluation, and it's consequently wrong to delete it after others have collaborated with the OP (like a microcosm of trying to be the solo/lead author on a paper that involved significant collaboration). If someone has reservations they should think them through before posting; once posted and digested by the community, it's communal knowledge and should be fine to undelete IMO." CreationDate="2021-04-22T22:45:27.517" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25641" PostId="5006" Score="3" Text="[Relevant discussion on Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/106619/when-is-it-ok-to-vote-to-undelete-posts-that-were-deleted-by-their-owners). It's unclear that there's consensus on this matter. The suggestion seems to be to contact the OP and ask the politely to undelete, but it seems to me the software is not designed to support this suggestion, and that ultimately this is a courtesy. As Alec rightly points out, the simple act of posting here means in some sense it's not really the OP's prerogative to &quot;hide&quot; their question after posting." CreationDate="2021-04-22T22:46:29.163" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25642" PostId="5006" Score="1" Text="Though see [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/276787/should-i-be-using-content-from-deleted-posts-on-the-stack-exchange-network?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1) for another perspective emphasizing the value of being able to delete one's own questions." CreationDate="2021-04-22T23:01:34.110" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25729" PostId="5006" Score="0" Text="As a bit of a counterargument, I believe one should be able to hold the right to disown one's ideas, or the right to be forgotten. Asking from an anonymous account seems to be the solution, but I understand this is frowned upon by the community ( in various degrees ). The knowledge might pass to the community, but the platform wouldnt allow ( or would it? ) to not associate the name to the question. If Im already unsure my question is good enough for the site, its tougher to decide to post if I know my name will be forever there along the question." CreationDate="2021-04-26T16:27:59.113" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="25738" PostId="5006" Score="0" Text="@AT0 I think that bad questions wouldn't be undeleted. I'm asking about good questions." CreationDate="2021-04-27T07:41:53.077" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="25739" PostId="5006" Score="0" Text="@domotorp I understand, but I think its still up to the author to decide if they want to be associated to the question or not. The right doesnt depend on what other people think of the question." CreationDate="2021-04-27T10:17:18.973" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="25760" PostId="5006" Score="0" Text="@AT0 I think you are being a bit idealistic here. The most common reason for the OP to delete an answered question is to (attempt to) hide the fact that it was ever asked - for example when the OP is cheating in an exam or test and doesn't want to be caught. (And of course such questions are likely to be &quot;good questions&quot; in domotorp's use of the word &quot;good&quot;)." CreationDate="2021-04-29T12:59:36.707" UserId="136390" />
  <row Id="25761" PostId="5006" Score="0" Text="@alephzero I insist that I think that's beyond the point, doesnt matter why the user posted the question or why they deleted it, its within their right to not be associated with it anymore. Im not aware of many homework or exam level questions being answered in MO tho. In any case, as a slightly fictional example of my point, the last question I asked here is a bit amateurish, as was pointed out in the comments, and I sort of wish I wasnt the one that asked it publicly. I think the question is 'good', just wish my (user)name wasnt associated to it that openly." CreationDate="2021-04-29T13:19:08.900" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="25655" PostId="5007" Score="0" Text="The answers I've added below are intended to get the ball rolling. Other suggestions are of course welcome!" CreationDate="2021-04-23T23:50:46.473" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25661" PostId="5007" Score="1" Text="A much more important question is: how do we get the new users to read the text in the modal window?" CreationDate="2021-04-24T03:23:31.793" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25662" PostId="5007" Score="2" Text="@DmitriPavlov We might consider propping their eyelids open as in _A Clockwork Orange_. Short of that, I'm not sure :) In all seriousness, your point is good. Fiddling around in private browsing mode, it seems that the modal window disappears after a single click anywhere on the screen, never to be seen again. Maybe we should petition SE to keep its text visible elsewhere on the screen for first-time askers or something... at any rate I'm not sure there are solutions which wouldn't require redoing the software." CreationDate="2021-04-24T03:28:59.877" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25663" PostId="5007" Score="2" Text="A technique I have seen: no model window is presented, instead the main window is decorated with colored arrows pointing to various parts of the dialog, annotated with some hints.  For instance, the input field for the title can say “Need an informative title.  Do not use titles like “A question about measure theory”.”  But this requires redoing the software.  Other than that, I have a strong suspicion that most users now reflexively close modal dialogs.  (I certainly do.)" CreationDate="2021-04-24T03:34:13.423" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25664" PostId="5007" Score="0" Text="Actually, SE already has some kind of algorithm which gives you feedback after you click &quot;review my question&quot;. I just tried it out with a question titled &quot;I need homework help!!!&quot; and it told me that my question was ready to publish. Maybe we could ask for certain key words to be added -- if the question contains the word &quot;homework&quot; for example, we could have the algorithm recommend that the question might not be appropriate for the site." CreationDate="2021-04-24T03:34:22.403" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25665" PostId="5007" Score="1" Text="You would think that by now there would be a neural net capable of automatically grading the MO-worthiness of a question.  We certainly have a huge dataset." CreationDate="2021-04-24T03:35:22.857" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25666" PostId="5007" Score="2" Text="[Pie in the sky](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/363674/is-the-algorithm-which-reviews-questions-when-one-clicks-review-your-question)." CreationDate="2021-04-24T03:51:40.083" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25667" PostId="5007" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov I think that your suggestion sounds a bit similar to the Ask Question Wizard, which was tested on [so] and latter abandoned. See: [What happened to the Ask Question Wizard / Guided Mode?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/404521)&#xA;and [The Ask Question Wizard Is Now In Testing!](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/378057)" CreationDate="2021-04-24T05:07:35.563" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25668" PostId="5007" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Not really, in this approach several steps/forms are necessary, whereas in my suggestion there is only one step." CreationDate="2021-04-24T05:24:05.300" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25698" PostId="5007" Score="0" Text="Another small detail I've noticed -- the hyperlinks on the English Language and Usage modal window behave inconsistently when clicked -- the one from the non-customizable section opens a new tab whereas the ones from the customizable section open in the same tab. I _think_ it would be preferable to have all links open in a new tab." CreationDate="2021-04-25T00:54:59.763" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25701" PostId="5007" Score="0" Text="And maybe the &quot;helpful links&quot; in the sidebar should be changed. Currently they link to the help page on [how to ask](https://mathoverflow.net/help/how-to-ask) which seems to be inferior to [this FAQ meta question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/882/how-to-write-a-good-mathoverflow-question)." CreationDate="2021-04-25T01:03:46.197" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25705" PostId="5007" Score="2" Text="@DmitriPavlov: The best way to make more users read dialogues is to make the contents clear, concise, and useful." CreationDate="2021-04-25T10:11:58.937" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="25727" PostId="5007" Score="0" Text="Are there any exemplary questions that could be linked in the modal?" CreationDate="2021-04-26T16:25:42.827" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="25728" PostId="5007" Score="1" Text="@DmitriPavlov A neural net capable of grading the MO-worthiness of the question based on the existing dataset is only useful insofar as the community's behavior over the last ten years reflects the ideal standard of MO-worthiness :)" CreationDate="2021-04-26T16:27:36.273" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="25730" PostId="5007" Score="1" Text="@Neal: Which it does, to a substantial degree, so such a neural net would be quite useful." CreationDate="2021-04-26T16:42:57.327" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25643" PostId="5008" Score="0" Text="As far as I can tell, you have used a query from one of the answers here: [How can I write a query DATA.SE to list top users from all countries in the world?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/348060) In the same question, rene's answer shows how that query can be modified. For example, you can tell the query that Lviv should be counted as Ukraine or Oxford as UK. (Of course, this will no longer be correct if the top user is from [Oxford, Maryland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford,_Maryland).)" CreationDate="2021-04-23T05:48:27.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25644" PostId="5008" Score="1" Text="Here is a query with such minor modifications: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1400175" CreationDate="2021-04-23T05:53:18.800" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25758" PostId="5008" Score="1" Text="As the example of Noah Snyder indicates, the query seems to mistake the state of Indiana (in the US) for the nation of India." CreationDate="2021-04-29T02:00:47.410" UserId="121" />
  <row Id="25759" PostId="5008" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan Interesting, the query seems it could benefit from some refinements for sure. For the most part I think it's fairly useful though." CreationDate="2021-04-29T02:02:54.063" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="25871" PostId="5008" Score="0" Text="@S.Carnahan That's exactly the kind of problem that the query in my comment tries to address. (Although there is no doubt that there are other improvements. And sometimes the Location fields is not enough to tell - for example University of Georgia can be [in the USA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Georgia) or [in Tbilisi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Georgia_(Tbilisi)).) You can check what you get after those modification for [India](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1405684/users-from-the-given-country?cid=98) or ..." CreationDate="2021-05-16T12:50:46.217" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25872" PostId="5008" Score="0" Text="... [USA](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1405684/users-from-the-given-country?cid=224) or some other country.  Since I have mentioned Georgie I will [add also such link](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1405684/users-from-the-given-country?cid=79)." CreationDate="2021-05-16T12:51:19.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25649" PostId="5010" Score="0" Text="I would welcome any discussion about the wording of the cross-posting language, and the choice of meta link, chosen in this answer. In particular, it may be problematic that the meta question linked to is specifically about Math.SE cross-posts, whereas the language in the question refers to other sites in general." CreationDate="2021-04-23T18:20:31.727" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25651" PostId="5010" Score="3" Text="If included, it seems worth creating a new meta question &amp; answer which contains the same information but which is not specific to Math.SE. (But it could say &quot;For example, if you post a question on Math Stack Exchange and want to post it again on Mathoverflow,..&quot;). I don't think it's a big problem but making a new meta post and linking to it seems pretty easy to do." CreationDate="2021-04-23T21:39:25.900" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25653" PostId="5010" Score="0" Text="@WillSawin Thanks for the suggestion. I have created [just such a meta question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5012/can-i-ask-a-question-on-mathoverflow-and-also-on-another-site/), copied over Joonas' answer with some commentary, and updated the link on this draft to point there. Of course, that meta question is open for discussion as well." CreationDate="2021-04-23T23:20:45.210" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25683" PostId="5010" Score="1" Text="As already discussed in [another post](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5011/revising-the-help-page-on-what-topics-can-i-ask-around-here?noredirect=1#comment25657_5011), “graduate-level” is specific to North America.  European-undergraduate-level questions are perfectly legitimate on MathOverflow.  I suggest replacing “mathematics at graduate or higher level” with “current research in mathematics”, or “current research in mathematics, as found on arXiv.org”" CreationDate="2021-04-24T17:18:47.093" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25721" PostId="5010" Score="0" Text="Just a comment that despite advancing this suggestion and despite its apparent popularity, on reflection I do _not_ personally support it. Cross-posting is not the most important concern for _first-time_ askers -- somebody cross-posting usually has experience on math.SE at least and some idea that MO is different. Because the modal window is so easy to dismiss, we really need a laser-like focus on what's important in this window -- a _single_ clear message which really jumps off the screen. I think the cross-posting point is a distraction." CreationDate="2021-04-26T14:20:05.510" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25737" PostId="5010" Score="0" Text="After Dmitri Pavlov's [comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5007/what-should-the-modal-window-for-first-time-askers-say/5010?noredirect=1#comment25683_5010) which spawned [this other proposed change](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5014/2362) most of the comments here were about that other change. Those comments have been  [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/123482/discussion-on-answer-by-tim-campion-what-should-the-modal-window-for-first-time)." CreationDate="2021-04-27T01:20:53.487" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25656" PostId="5011" Score="1" Text="Thanks for posting this. I for one think these are great suggestions. The tricky thing might be figuring out the process for editing that page." CreationDate="2021-04-24T00:21:30.660" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25657" PostId="5011" Score="2" Text="“if you've had graduate-level training in mathematics”: Does not make sense outside of North America and a few other countries.  In Europe (e.g., Germany, Russia), this would correspond to a Bachelor's degree in mathematics, i.e., undegraduate-level training." CreationDate="2021-04-24T02:19:22.177" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25658" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov, do you have a phrase to suggest? Would &quot;training in mathematics or a mathematical discipline at the level of US graduate school&quot; be substantially better?" CreationDate="2021-04-24T02:36:41.753" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25659" PostId="5011" Score="3" Text="Ok, good news! It [looks like](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/259914/what-parts-of-the-help-center-can-site-moderators-edit) it is quite easy for moderators to edit that help page. So once we reach some consensus on what changes should happen, I think it should be easy to implement. I just checked: for me it is indeed as simple a clicking a little &quot;edit&quot; button on the page and then it's similar to the question / answer editing interface." CreationDate="2021-04-24T02:43:25.917" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25660" PostId="5011" Score="3" Text="@MattF.: Only if one is familiar with the US system.  How is one supposed to know what US graduate schools in mathematics are like if one had no interaction with the system?  Even if one is familiar with the US system, this still leaves too much ambiguity.  For instance, what is the minimum allowed level of questions on category theory?  There are relatively few graduate schools in the US where category theory is taught formally, and even then it is unlikely to be mandatory." CreationDate="2021-04-24T02:51:30.043" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25670" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov, I think it's helpful to say something. I'm open to other phrasings." CreationDate="2021-04-24T08:52:56.577" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25671" PostId="5011" Score="1" Text="@DmitriPavlov Maybe replacing &quot;graduate-level&quot; by &quot;PhD-level&quot; would make that sentence more universally understandable? -- Or would the meaning then still be unclear in Russia (which, as I understand, has a 2-step PhD system -- Kandidat Nauk / Doktor Nauk)?" CreationDate="2021-04-24T09:07:43.320" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25672" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: Russia does not have a “two-step PhD system”.  There is a PhD degree and a Habilitation degree.  Your proposal would be unsuitable because MathOverflow does allow questions below the PhD level as it is practiced in countries like Germany and Russia." CreationDate="2021-04-24T12:19:56.787" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25673" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov Then maybe I misread the explanations in the [Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Sciences) on this. And of course &quot;PhD-level&quot; is not quite a perfect description of what is on-topic here -- but which single word can be such? -- Maybe you have a better suggestion on what to write." CreationDate="2021-04-24T12:51:09.943" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25674" PostId="5011" Score="2" Text="@MattF.: We do say something, namely, “current research in mathematics”.  Appealing to graduate-level mathematics or PhD degrees is useless, since the users who would understand such an explanation (basically, PhD students and higher) do not cause any noticeable problems in the first place.  It is undergrads with low-division mathematics questions that post most of the off-topic questions, and they have no clue what “graduate-level” means." CreationDate="2021-04-24T12:56:28.783" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25675" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl: The article that you cited clearly states “The German Habilitation and, to some extent, the French habilitation à diriger des recherches (HDR) are comparable to it”.  Indeed, even the process itself is quite similar to the German process.  (As I understand, the Soviet government  simply copied the German 2-level system, but gave different names to degrees for political reasons.)" CreationDate="2021-04-24T12:59:07.943" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25676" PostId="5011" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl: “but which single word can be such?”: I really do not think you can do anything better than “current research in mathematics”.  You may have better success with explaining what **not** to post, e.g., homework in calculus, linear algebra, differential equations, etc." CreationDate="2021-04-24T13:04:54.727" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25681" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov If the term &quot;graduate-level&quot; is as problematic as you suggest, perhaps you might weigh in on its use in the current [modal window](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5007/what-should-the-modal-window-for-first-time-askers-say?) suggestions (unless you are so pessimistic about users reading the modal window that you don't think it matters there :)." CreationDate="2021-04-24T17:10:39.970" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25748" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="There are other places on the site with other information about asking questions on MO, e.g. [this faq question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/882/how-to-write-a-good-mathoverflow-question). Perhaps material from somewhere like that should be incorporated or at least more prominently linked to." CreationDate="2021-04-28T17:35:01.793" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25749" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="I think that if somebody is in the intended audience of the accepted answer on the post I just linked to, that post may be the place to send them. If they're not in that intended audience, then they might not really be able to judge for themselves whether their question is on-topic. It will be a bit of a crap-shoot for them. I don't think we really have a mechanism for dealing with this, other than to accept the reality that if somebody is not a &quot;member of mainstream mathematical society&quot; in some sense, they may just have to accept that probably some of their questions here will be closed." CreationDate="2021-04-28T17:38:18.657" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25750" PostId="5011" Score="2" Text="I suggest &quot;PhD-student level&quot; as a substitute for &quot;graduate level,&quot; which addresses @DmitriPavlov's objections (which I think are overstated), while also suggesting the needed degree of sophistication." CreationDate="2021-04-28T20:21:36.750" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="25753" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: Functional analysis and smooth manifolds are PhD-level topics in the US, but elementary questions about functional analysis and smooth manifolds will get closed quickly on MathOverflow.  Also, how is this description going to be helpful for somebody who is not familiar with a PhD degree in mathematics, like the overwhelming majority of users asking low-quality questions?  Those of them who do read this description (a minority, it seems) often mistakenly think (for a variety of reasons) that their question _is_ PhD-level, e.g., because they think PhD is similar to B.Sc." CreationDate="2021-04-28T21:16:26.777" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25755" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="There isn't such a uniformity amongst PhD-level topic as you describe---there are literally hundreds of PhD programs in the US, all independent and with extremely divergent curricula. Similarly, there isn't a uniformity of what counts as a suitable level of question on MO. We don't need an exact match, and &quot;PhD-student level&quot; is accurate enough, as far as I am concerned. If the functional analysts are closing graduate-level questions, then I would encourage them to stop doing that, but I don't think we need a big change in the general focus of MO, which is definitely on graduate-level topics." CreationDate="2021-04-28T21:23:28.350" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="25756" PostId="5011" Score="4" Text="I think most users who post low-level questions know that a PhD-student level question is not what they have, even if they don't know what &quot;graduate-level&quot; means. This is precisely why I suggested &quot;PhD-student level&quot;." CreationDate="2021-04-28T21:29:23.143" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="25652" PostId="5012" Score="6" Text="My understanding is that if a question is posted to MSE and receives no/very little response after about a week (but hopefully gets upvotes), it’s appropriate to repost on MO if the question is borderline research level." CreationDate="2021-04-23T23:07:52.193" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25679" PostId="5012" Score="4" Text="If that was the intention, maybe the tag ([meta-tag:faq-proposed]) or ([meta-tag:faq]) could be added to this question. (IIRC the latter can only be added by a moderator.)" CreationDate="2021-04-24T14:58:43.330" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25680" PostId="5012" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I think this is a good idea. I will go ahead and add [meta-tag:faq-proposed] for now with the intention of adding [meta-tag:faq] later. As you also suggested in chat, it may also be appropriate to add this question to [this page on cross-posting](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/cross-posting/info)." CreationDate="2021-04-24T15:01:27.337" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25745" PostId="5012" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I added the [meta-tag:faq] tag and accepted your proposed edit on the [meta-tag:cross-posting] tag info. Thanks!" CreationDate="2021-04-28T17:07:34.887" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25669" PostId="5013" Score="15" Text="I'd add another reason for linking each post to the other. A user who regularly visits only one of the two sites may find that information on the other site is exactly what she needs in order to come up with a good answer." CreationDate="2021-04-24T06:24:16.920" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="25688" PostId="5014" Score="0" Text="See [Dmitri Pavlov's comment on another answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5007/what-should-the-modal-window-for-first-time-askers-say/5014#comment25683_5010) for some discussion of this proposal." CreationDate="2021-04-24T17:41:56.837" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25689" PostId="5014" Score="0" Text="Could &quot;Provide details and any research&quot; be changed - for one, I'm not really sure exactly what it's supposed to mean - &quot;Provide details and any relevant background&quot;, maybe?" CreationDate="2021-04-24T21:15:40.027" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25690" PostId="5014" Score="2" Text="@WillSawin I agree it would be nice to change that part a bit. Unfortunately, we've been told that those last 3 bullets are [non-customizable](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/56757085#56757085). We could maybe make a stink about it; I'm personally reluctant to do so if it will delay things." CreationDate="2021-04-24T21:19:02.523" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25697" PostId="5014" Score="0" Text="I have been using the phrase &quot;**original** research in mathematics&quot; when explaining to first-time askers that are confused about what MO is for. This way it makes it more clear that it's not just doing research in the sense of looking up stuff, or figuring out things on one's own." CreationDate="2021-04-25T00:47:55.680" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25699" PostId="5014" Score="0" Text="@theHigherGeometer Somehow it doesn't seem quite accurate to me to say the question must be &quot;about original research in mathematics&quot; -- would you propose something like &quot;make sure that it is related to original research in mathematics&quot; or &quot;make sure that it is relevant to original research in mathematics&quot; or something like that?" CreationDate="2021-04-25T00:58:06.333" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25700" PostId="5014" Score="0" Text="Or maybe &quot;make sure that it is at the level of original research in mathematics&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-04-25T00:58:41.417" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25704" PostId="5014" Score="0" Text="Yes, that last one is about the sort of thing I had in mind" CreationDate="2021-04-25T08:05:30.517" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25714" PostId="5014" Score="0" Text="@theHigherGeometer I'm having a bit of trouble getting something like that to flow. If you'd like to add an answer suggesting a change along these lines, I'd encourage you to go for it. I would explain in the answer that the suggestion should be viewed as mutually exclusive from the answer I'm commenting on now, but not from any other answer." CreationDate="2021-04-25T19:01:05.460" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25715" PostId="5014" Score="1" Text="Related to this part, I've also tried to air out some concerns I have about sufficiently emphasizing it in [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/57771512#57771512). If anybody has any thoughts on that, I'd be grateful to hear about it either here or over there in the chat" CreationDate="2021-04-25T19:23:07.060" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25693" PostId="5016" Score="2" Text="I think it's worth mentioning this, given that we have high-rep users like Andrej Bauer (PhD in computer science), Carlo Beenaker (PhD in physics), and Iosif Pinelis (PhD in probability and mathematical statistics) -- I think the phrase is clear enough." CreationDate="2021-04-24T21:56:42.007" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25694" PostId="5016" Score="2" Text="I'm not debating this; I just find the wording confusing, at least from my background. The concept of 'mathematical disciplines' that are not mathematics is unusual for me." CreationDate="2021-04-24T22:08:55.100" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25702" PostId="5017" Score="12" Text="I presume the name MathOverflow was chosen with a nod to the coding Q&amp;A site Stack Overflow. Like many names of things that have been around for a long time, it made sense at the start and now it is engraved in stone (and it would be counterproductive to change it). Note that there is also a PhysicsOverflow site, for advanced physics questions." CreationDate="2021-04-25T07:20:39.030" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25703" PostId="5017" Score="3" Text="I remember the suggestion MathResearchOverflow [from this comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3760/my-question-was-closed-on-mo-because-it-is-not-research-level-where-should-i-as#comment16491_3760). Considering that MathOverflow can be considered a rather established &quot;brand name&quot; by now, I find it unlikely that it gets renamed. (As a side note, the name of the site is usually written as [mathoverflow.se] - also some people object that using capital in the middle of a word is grammatically incorrect.)" CreationDate="2021-04-25T07:31:08.043" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25706" PostId="5017" Score="10" Text="I hope those opposed to capital in the middle are not named McDonald or LaFontaine (and don't use LaTeX, or post to the arXiv)." CreationDate="2021-04-25T12:04:21.940" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="25707" PostId="5017" Score="0" Text="Maybe we should call it [MSO](https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/MSO) or [MU](https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/MU) rather than [MO](https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/MO). After enough iterations we might graduate to MStrung..." CreationDate="2021-04-25T14:34:33.150" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25708" PostId="5017" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson I try to balance them out by approving of capitals *only* in the middles of words." CreationDate="2021-04-25T14:53:49.310" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="25710" PostId="5017" Score="2" Text="I like mathoverflow and MO as names, personally. I think the [proactive](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5011/revising-the-help-page-on-what-topics-can-i-ask-around-here) [measures](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5007/what-should-the-modal-window-for-first-time-askers-say) Tim and the other moderators are looking at are going to have a positive impact on this issue, and hopefully this together with continued community moderation will be sufficient to assist any incoming inquirers who can be helped -- if all of that is ignored, I'm not sure a name change would work either." CreationDate="2021-04-25T15:47:12.023" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25712" PostId="5017" Score="2" Text="@AlecRhea I would try to temper expectations about how much the changes to the modal window dialog will actually do to decrease the number of off-topic questions. But I do think those changes might go some way to helping off-topic questioners understand after the fact that they're not being dismissed arbitrarily, and to lessen the feeling of &quot;What? If they didn't want this type of question here, why didn't they tell me?&quot;" CreationDate="2021-04-25T18:25:46.543" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25713" PostId="5017" Score="2" Text="By the way -- if you think that most of the questions are over your head, then don't worry -- it stays that way! I don't think there exists a mathematician expert in enough fields that they could actually say they understand the majority of questions on MO. Eventually you can hope to understand a good chunk of the questions in your field(s), and you can sort by tags so that you see mostly those questions, though." CreationDate="2021-04-25T18:58:37.170" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25716" PostId="5017" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak MathOverflow has been in business for what, a dozen years, and so now it's an &quot;established brand name&quot; and must not be changed? Tell that to Aunt Jemima. Or to *Astounding Science Fiction* which changed its name to *Analog* after three decades as *Astounding*. Or to Persia, Burma, and Ceylon. :-)" CreationDate="2021-04-25T23:26:27.963" UserId="43266" />
  <row Id="25718" PostId="5017" Score="3" Text="The logo for MathOverflow shows an overfull $\LaTeX$ box.  For me, it implies that the mathematics here is beyond the usual mathematics taught in general education subjects." CreationDate="2021-04-26T11:11:44.503" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="25719" PostId="5017" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion, &quot;*Maybe we should call it MSO or MU rather than MO.*&quot;  MU would be for MathUnderflow." CreationDate="2021-04-26T11:13:22.170" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="25720" PostId="5017" Score="2" Text="@bof re Persia, you might find there's some debate/ambivalence/difference about the name and its use as an adjective/signifier, among the people in question. Also the two colonial names you mention are arguably case of new names being changed back, which is almost the opposite of what is being discussed here for MO" CreationDate="2021-04-26T13:15:40.230" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25724" PostId="5017" Score="1" Text="@JoelReyesNoche: Not just would be, it _was_ called MathUnderflow by many people for a few years around 2010." CreationDate="2021-04-26T15:58:44.397" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25736" PostId="5017" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov Was? I thought that joke was still current! I guess I'm dating myself! Oh well :)" CreationDate="2021-04-27T01:19:21.427" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25711" PostId="5018" Score="3" Text="Surprised to see a downvote on this- it seems like a very reasonable answer to me." CreationDate="2021-04-25T17:25:42.183" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25726" PostId="5019" Score="2" Text="the spelling of the name was discussed at https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2993/11260" CreationDate="2021-04-26T16:14:29.887" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25740" PostId="5021" Score="4" Text="I completely agree with the main part of what you say, and I believe it is extremely important to encourage posts by graduate students who might otherwise be hesitant---their contributions are the lifeblood of the site. But I am a little hesitant about the &quot;what have you tried&quot; suggestion, in light of the way this admonishment is often used on math.SE; it is often a kind of harassment there. Although they are quite insistent about the OP stating what has been tried, in my experience, this information is often just not relevant." CreationDate="2021-04-27T17:27:16.700" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="25741" PostId="5021" Score="1" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Thanks! I would like to here you say more about this - in particular, which language do you think should be included early in this page? I am still thinking about how I would formulate my suggestion. Certainly my intention is not to get more people to ask for that. I agree that &quot;what has been tried&quot; is not usually so relevant. My goal is certainly not to change the culture of what people ask for! But it sometimes is relevant." CreationDate="2021-04-28T01:21:42.650" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25742" PostId="5021" Score="2" Text="More fundamentally I think including the information makes a variety of polite responses easier to give and a variety of impolite responses harder to give. (In particular, including the information in a question that is otherwise on the borderline between a good and bad response.) I definitely want to give people advice of some kind, that is somewhat helpful, because I am imagining someone who has heard that MO is a mean place considering whether to write their first question, and I imagine getting some simple, easy-to-follow advice on how to get a good response will make them more confident." CreationDate="2021-04-28T01:21:51.683" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25743" PostId="5021" Score="0" Text="I agree with all that. I am mainly hesitant only about the particular phrase &quot;what have you tried?&quot; because of the manner this particular phrase is abused on math.SE, and I'd hate to see that practice here. How about: ...the best thing you can do to improve its chances are to explain your mathematical question well, with accuracy and precision. Provide the definitions of mathematical terms or notation that you use. Describe the mathematical context in which your question naturally arises. Mention the mathematical techniques that you think might be relevant for a solution." CreationDate="2021-04-28T07:11:36.787" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="25751" PostId="5021" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: I think providing appropriate **context** for the question is by far the most important of these items.  (There is always a danger of listing too many requirements.)" CreationDate="2021-04-28T21:10:32.450" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25752" PostId="5021" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov Can you elaborate on that?" CreationDate="2021-04-28T21:13:46.917" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25754" PostId="5021" Score="1" Text="@WillSawin: I do not think that saying things like “explain your mathematical question well” can change anything (it's not like anybody is trying to explain it badly, and users typically do try their best).  Providing context, on the other hand, is something that can be done easily, but is often omitted, despite its usefulness." CreationDate="2021-04-28T21:19:02.567" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25763" PostId="5021" Score="0" Text="I also like this suggestion. I agree with @JoelDavidHamkins that &quot;what have you tried&quot; is not needed, though for different reasons: &quot;I tried X and it didn't work&quot; is not very predictive of whether someone else will get a result by trying X (or what they mean by &quot;X&quot;). If they have a good answer to &quot;are similar results already known&quot;, that's good enough for me." CreationDate="2021-04-29T15:17:26.697" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25766" PostId="5021" Score="0" Text="&quot;real and complex analysis that are commonly required for a Bachelor's degree (B.A. or B.S.).&quot;: few universities _require_ complex analysis for a Bachelor's degree in the US.  One could simply say &quot;undergraduate real and complex analysis&quot;." CreationDate="2021-04-30T20:08:42.900" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25767" PostId="5021" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov You're saying that &quot;undergraduate&quot; is clear but &quot;graduate&quot; is not?" CreationDate="2021-04-30T20:35:08.740" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="25768" PostId="5021" Score="0" Text="@WillSawin: Yes, because there are way more undergraduate students than graduate.  And both American and European-level undergraduate-level questions about real and complex analysis are likely to be closed on MathOverflow." CreationDate="2021-04-30T21:52:07.477" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="25769" PostId="5021" Score="0" Text="@WillSawin I believe that you are converging on an excellent answer here." CreationDate="2021-05-02T14:31:14.050" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="25744" PostId="5022" Score="1" Text="Of course, [math.se] is not the only possible alternative for lower-level questions - link to this post which lists several sites is included in the help-center: [My question was closed on MO because it is not research level. Where should I ask instead?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3760)" CreationDate="2021-04-28T07:15:14.810" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25746" PostId="5022" Score="2" Text="This is an interesting idea -- although asking somebody to comb through the site and digest 10 questions and answers as a prerequisite for asking a question seems a little steep. I might suggest a lower number like 2-3. Of course, I could imagine somebody cherry-picking 2-3 borderline questions or something, but really if somebody is thoughtful enough to actually go through this exercise, then the chances that they might ask a good question are already much higher than the baseline." CreationDate="2021-04-28T17:16:06.860" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25747" PostId="5022" Score="2" Text="Really the issue is that as soon as somebody knows enough to comprehend what the criteria for good questions are, they are likely ready to ask a good question themselves. So whatever the wording, it shouldn't inspire people to have existential crises and obsess over whether their questions are suitable for the site." CreationDate="2021-04-28T17:18:50.793" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25817" PostId="5026" Score="0" Text="I don't think your title matches well your specific example. In your specific example I think the right thing to do (before opening a meta question or flagging to moderation) would be to ask, in a comment to the answerer, to &quot;give evidence to support their claim  e.g. which definition [you] have overlooked or which illustrations [you] didn't see&quot;." CreationDate="2021-05-10T08:36:56.050" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25818" PostId="5026" Score="0" Text="@Ycor I had posted such comment asking for providing evidence supporting the claim that I misunderstood the paper, but didn‘t her any feedback whatsoever. I therefore deleted the comment after a while." CreationDate="2021-05-10T11:50:15.187" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="25770" PostId="5027" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much for your open words; I really appreciate that. I will keep it in mind for future posts." CreationDate="2021-05-03T17:51:40.773" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="25771" PostId="5027" Score="0" Text="@ManfredWeis I have myself run afoul of the dangers here in the past. The most obvious example which comes to mind was [this one](https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/488396/how-do-measurements-of-g-account-for-variations-in-the-local-gravitational-fie), actually on a different SE site. I did not appreciate when I first posted this question that it sounded like I was &quot;accusing&quot; some experimental physicists of &quot;negligence&quot; in their error estimates. Thankfully, somebody explicitly pointed this out to me. It actually took a couple of tries to tamp down the tone to an acceptable level." CreationDate="2021-05-03T19:11:38.817" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25772" PostId="5027" Score="1" Text="In any event, I'm just trying to pay forward some good advice I got in the past. Part of the lesson for me was that even though I didn't _intend_ to be &quot;accusatory&quot; or rude, it was very easy to accidentally come across that way -- to the point that even when I was actively looking for &quot;accusatoriness&quot; in my question, I still missed some of it on the first try. I'm very glad that I explicitly left a comment soliciting feedback on this point, because it took somebody else looking at my revised question to see that it still sounded &quot;accusatory&quot;." CreationDate="2021-05-03T19:14:19.340" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25773" PostId="5027" Score="2" Text="One point which came up in this experience was the following. If somebody has gone to the trouble to write a paper, and especially if they have gone through the trouble of the peer-review process, then it is _always_ safest to assume that others (the author, at any rate) understand the paper better than you do. If you assume otherwise, then even if you turn out to be right, it will in some sense have been an &quot;accident&quot;. So even if it later turns out that you're right, it will still have been presumptuous and insulting to have assumed so from the beginning, betraying an &quot;arrogance of youth&quot;." CreationDate="2021-05-03T19:20:32.260" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25786" PostId="5027" Score="0" Text="It has frequently been the case that moderators convert answers into comments (on the grounds that it's potentially useful, but not an answer nor an attempt to answer). Is there a reason you're not suggesting, as a possibility, to flag to moderators to make it a comment? (rather than to delete)? (typical example: https://mathoverflow.net/a/60831/14094)" CreationDate="2021-05-04T22:48:45.130" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25787" PostId="5027" Score="0" Text="@YCor good point -- that's another option." CreationDate="2021-05-04T23:13:56.927" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25774" PostId="5028" Score="20" Text="Somehow it seems to me that the move from 5 to 3 votes would be more beneficial for _reopening_ than for _closing_. For _closing_ it might help reduce the workload of filtering out homework questions, but there might be a lot of babies thrown out with that bathwater." CreationDate="2021-05-03T20:42:16.077" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25775" PostId="5028" Score="10" Text="It would be great if we had quantitative data about this. How many questions have we had recently that stopped at 3 or 4 close (or reopen) votes? Is there a list, so that we can see for ourselves if they are baby or bathwater?" CreationDate="2021-05-04T10:28:12.140" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25782" PostId="5028" Score="7" Text="Certain controversial questions have produced close/reopen wars in the past. The new rule would speed these up by a factor of 5/3. That's probably not a good thing." CreationDate="2021-05-04T16:09:06.300" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="25783" PostId="5028" Score="4" Text="@ChristianRemling: Those close/reopen wars are rare, and generally get by resolved by moderator intervention in any case.  I think this change should be judged on its effect in the more common cases, not the rare ones!" CreationDate="2021-05-04T17:01:03.653" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="25784" PostId="5028" Score="11" Text="If close/reopen wars are a concern, we could suggest SE to implement an increasing threshold: 3 votes to close/reopen the first time, 5 the second time, 7 the third, ..." CreationDate="2021-05-04T17:37:38.567" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25785" PostId="5028" Score="8" Text="I guess a good strategy about close/reopen question cannot be seriously discussed without seriously studying the history of such questions." CreationDate="2021-05-04T22:36:59.847" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25788" PostId="5028" Score="0" Text="Making it easier to close a question makes it harder for the user posting the question to improve it before it gets closed." CreationDate="2021-05-04T23:35:04.253" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="25790" PostId="5028" Score="7" Text="I think it is not even easy to predict whether reducing the number of votes required to close a question would actually lead to questions being closed faster. -- There may also be an opposite effect that makes one more reluctant to vote to close if one's vote has a higher weight. In any case, as long as there is no bigger problem with the current setup, I'd be very careful with such change which may have various hard-to-predict consequences." CreationDate="2021-05-05T09:37:25.200" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25814" PostId="5028" Score="2" Text="At the present, as far as I know, there is no plan to implement this change for sites that not explicitely ask for it. All the sites in the experiment (and some others) have asked for it!" CreationDate="2021-05-09T20:51:35.440" UserId="6494" />
  <row Id="25823" PostId="5028" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5028/three-vote-close#comment25784_5028), surely the proper number of votes the third time is 8, and then 13 the fourth time?" CreationDate="2021-05-11T16:50:10.973" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25852" PostId="5028" Score="2" Text="Just a passer by, but seeing the year in moderation stats [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4839/2020-a-year-in-moderation) it looks like most of the closing is done by mods. If they have a desire to lighten that workload moving to 3 vote closures could be beneficial." CreationDate="2021-05-14T20:48:02.260" UserId="168603" />
  <row Id="25864" PostId="5028" Score="0" Text="@Luuklag Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;most of the closing is done by mods&quot;? The post you linked says: Questions closed - 138 Moderators, 3258 Community. (For reopened questions, the numbers shown there are 10 and 20.)" CreationDate="2021-05-16T02:30:36.960" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25865" PostId="5028" Score="2" Text="Ouch @MartinSleziak I mixed up the columns in my head." CreationDate="2021-05-16T06:59:48.703" UserId="168603" />
  <row Id="25776" PostId="5029" Score="8" Text="I would assume that when that question was recently undeleted, the fact that it had an outdated tag was simply not noticed, and that the tags should be merged. Perhaps @@StefanKohl can confirm?" CreationDate="2021-05-04T13:21:10.150" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25779" PostId="5029" Score="2" Text="@TimCampion Yes, indeed reviving the tag was completely unintentional. I removed it from the question, as I didn't see that the question is about a known open problem / known open problems." CreationDate="2021-05-04T15:08:52.950" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25777" PostId="5030" Score="6" Text="[Here's the relevant meta SE question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/316631/what-can-i-do-to-lift-or-reduce-a-suspension) on appealing suspensions." CreationDate="2021-05-04T14:42:53.283" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25789" PostId="5030" Score="1" Text="Was this your first offence? Did you get a warning before the ban?" CreationDate="2021-05-05T07:21:25.830" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25796" PostId="5030" Score="1" Text="No warning, first offense. But it's ok, I made a separate account to discuss mathematics in case this one gets banned." CreationDate="2021-05-05T13:57:13.963" UserId="105628" />
  <row Id="25797" PostId="5030" Score="17" Text="@HWPolice It is not acceptable to create a second account to circumvent a suspension. Doing so is grounds for escalating suspensions, and quite frankly is a great way to annoy the moderators." CreationDate="2021-05-05T14:25:11.700" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25803" PostId="5030" Score="5" Text="Just a minor terminological nitpicking concerning the title. On the Stack Exchange platform, the word ban is more often used for [question/answer ban](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/post-ban/info) - this is done automatically by the software, without any involvement of moderators. What you mean is called [suspension](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/account-suspension/info). (OTOH I suppose that every body understood.)" CreationDate="2021-05-06T12:02:12.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25813" PostId="5030" Score="3" Text="A link to an older question: [Protest for my account suspension](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1066)." CreationDate="2021-05-09T11:11:07.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25778" PostId="5031" Score="0" Text="Got it, thanks. I will continue asking suspicious users if they have posted HW. Would you take issue with that?" CreationDate="2021-05-04T15:04:35.543" UserId="105628" />
  <row Id="25780" PostId="5031" Score="17" Text="Generally if a question is a homework question, one or both of the following conditions also holds: (1) it is obvious that it is a homework question / (2) it is obvious that the question is not suitable for MO on the grounds of its _content_ alone. In neither case is it necessary to &quot;confront&quot; the user about posting a homework question. It's generally more appropriate to simply vote to close, and perhaps leave a friendly note pointing out that homework questions are off-topic here. A tone of being the &quot;homework police&quot; is not really appropriate on MO." CreationDate="2021-05-04T15:11:45.717" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25781" PostId="5031" Score="0" Text="Ok, perhaps in the future then. With a friendlier name and tone..." CreationDate="2021-05-04T15:59:24.467" UserId="105628" />
  <row Id="25792" PostId="5032" Score="7" Text="Agreed, but before deciding that your ban is unjust, I hope you will, in Tim's words, reflect on your behavior, and to try to understand how you can change your behavior to better conform to the norms of the community you've been suspended from." CreationDate="2021-05-05T09:59:18.483" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="25791" PostId="5033" Score="10" Text="I'd say the comments in that example are more than just &quot;instructive&quot;. They truly advance understanding of the mathematics. I hope some knowledgeable user will edit the question to reflect the progress that now is available only in the chat (or delete the question entirely, if that seems like a better idea)." CreationDate="2021-05-05T09:53:39.643" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="25793" PostId="5033" Score="2" Text="In case somebody wants to see where comments were moved to chat, here is a query which shows comments containing &quot;moved to chat&quot;: [main](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/556789/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author?word=moved%20to%20chat), [meta](https://data.stackexchange.com/meta.mathoverflow/query/556789/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author?word=moved%20to%20chat). (The status from the last update of SEDE.)" CreationDate="2021-05-05T10:11:26.777" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25794" PostId="5033" Score="7" Text="The purpose of moving a conversation in comments to chat is not suppressing it, but rather moving it to a more suitable place (at least as far as I can tell, this is SE's intention behind the possibility to move a comment thread to chat). However, I quite understand if people feel different about this. Some related discussion (on Math.SE's meta) can be found [here](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/17397/). As to the post in question, I undeleted the comments again." CreationDate="2021-05-05T10:47:55.837" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25798" PostId="5033" Score="25" Text="Personally I don't like the whole SE &quot;move comments to chat&quot; thing at all.  If the comments are bad they should be deleted, and if they're ok then they're not doing any harm sitting there minimized." CreationDate="2021-05-05T16:39:49.987" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="25799" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="Shouldn't the title be &quot;Deletion by moderators of comments&quot; or perhaps &quot;Moderators' deletion of comments&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-05-05T17:44:09.203" UserId="159073" />
  <row Id="25807" PostId="5033" Score="23" Text="My own attitude has been to be relaxed about comments if there is a real mathematical (and collegial, cordial) conversation going on, but to move chat threads when they become contentious or go off the topic rails. I tend to agree with the idea that MO is somewhat sui generis among SE sites, and not all the &quot;usual SE rules&quot; need be followed to the letter." CreationDate="2021-05-06T16:31:39.317" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="25809" PostId="5033" Score="5" Text="Todd's comment seems great, and my earlier comment isn't intended to disagree with it.  I think the previous moderator practice of occasionally using this tool in the situations Todd outlines is great.  (Essentially I see it as situations where those comments should probably be deleted, but it's more transparent to just move them to chat, since deleted comments aren't even visible to high rep users.)" CreationDate="2021-05-07T15:31:30.330" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="25810" PostId="5033" Score="3" Text="@ToddTrimble Shouldn't you post your comment as an answer? Just in case somebody deletes it or moves it to chat. :-) (Just pointing out the irony. Seeing that the most upvoted answer refers to your comment, it was difficult to resist.) To include also some useful content in this comment, I will add a link to the Wiktionary entry for [sui generis](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sui_generis) - I guess there might be some users (like me) for whom this might be helpful." CreationDate="2021-05-08T05:01:16.893" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25815" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="Follow-up question for @ToddTrimble and the moderators: suppose someone edits the question and writes a CW answer incorporating the content of the comments, and then flags them for deletion as &quot;no longer necessary&quot;. Would that be considered a positive contribution, or a stubborn way to go against the opinion of the community? Is there an additional value in the 'Socratic' nature of those comments that you wish to preserve, or would that content be presented equally well (or better) if formulated as an answer without the back-and-forth?" CreationDate="2021-05-10T06:40:30.383" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25816" PostId="5033" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni I'm not a moderator but I think participants can provide their opinion too: I'd most likely view it as a &quot;stubborn way to go against the opinion of the community&quot;. By the way, &quot;incorporating the contents&quot; can imply some improvements, or the contrary, adding errors, etc, omitting some crucial point, not insisting on the main point, etc. It most likely omits the date/time of posting the comment, which is a piece of information." CreationDate="2021-05-10T06:47:32.683" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25819" PostId="5033" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni That's never happened as far as I can remember, but someone incorporating comments into a (CW) answer is itself not likely to be unwelcome. How the flag is handled would be on a case-by-case basis. I don't think I can give a blanket answer that would cover all cases. &quot;Hard cases make bad law.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-05-11T00:35:14.717" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="25820" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble Thanks; this makes sense. I don't know about the flagging, but converting comments to answers (even someone else's) has precedents: [this search](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=converted+comments+answer) returns several examples." CreationDate="2021-05-11T06:17:31.833" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25821" PostId="5033" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni Yes, indeed, that has happened. But I can't recall a case where someone both assembled a bunch of comments into an answer *and* flagged to have comments removed." CreationDate="2021-05-11T10:20:03.453" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="25839" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="@DimaPasechnik why did you change the title? it was changed after a comment spotted the ambiguity of deleting (comments by moderators), which is not important but anyway the formulation &quot;deletion by moderators of comments&quot; seems correct." CreationDate="2021-05-13T18:12:34.993" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25840" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="wrong word order. I know, English is weird, but I've been speaking it non-stop for ~30 years." CreationDate="2021-05-13T22:01:01.087" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25843" PostId="5033" Score="1" Text="@Dima, &quot;deletion of comments by moderators&quot; is ambiguous. If you don't like &quot;deletion by moderators of comments,&quot; how about &quot;moderators deleting comments&quot;? Or maybe a couple of commas would work, &quot;deletions, by moderators, of comments&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-05-13T23:44:17.693" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="25845" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="It's not English that is weird, it is non-native english speakers correcting natives." CreationDate="2021-05-14T09:50:31.193" UserId="159073" />
  <row Id="25846" PostId="5033" Score="3" Text="@bathalf15320 As a non-native I'm pretty sure I corrected many natives (writing such things as &quot;would of&quot;, or &quot;it's&quot; in lieu of &quot;its&quot;...) and also any editor here is not supposed to know who's native and who's not. I've also asked natives about precise points, with distinct answers. As regards the title, I think both options are grammatically correct, but I'm not that sure. This digression might deserve deletion by moderators at some point :)" CreationDate="2021-05-14T10:42:31.267" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25848" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni I was aware of this while initially writing the title: my opinion is that moving a conversation to chat is a kind of deletion." CreationDate="2021-05-14T17:17:27.807" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25850" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="&quot;deletion of comments by moderators&quot; might be ambiguous, but grammatically correct.  &quot;deletion by moderators of comments&quot; is grammatically incorrect.&#xA;&#xA;Anyway, moving mathematical comments to a chat effectively ends the discussion, as TeX maths in chats is broken." CreationDate="2021-05-14T20:15:55.423" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25851" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl your choice of title doesn't fit the intended question (it is strictly broader — for instance I had written &quot;*I'm not addressing the case of polemical comments or disputes moved to chat such as this question, or deleted*.&quot;). Since you're involved in this story and since it's hard for me to revert a moderator action, I feel you should have refrained to done so." CreationDate="2021-05-14T20:40:27.120" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25854" PostId="5033" Score="4" Text="I have to say that I am also a bit surprised to see that this post was [manually removed from the Hot Meta Posts](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/5033/revisions). Previously I only found [one such instance](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/4926/revisions) on this meta - in that case it seemed warranted. (It was the nomination thread and it happened at the time when the nomination phase of the election was over.)" CreationDate="2021-05-15T04:37:25.387" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25860" PostId="5033" Score="3" Text="@YCor &quot;deletion by moderators of comments&quot; means: &quot;deletion (of implicitly understood something) by moderators of comments&quot;. Surely that's not what you meant. OK, I should apologize for dwelling on this." CreationDate="2021-05-15T08:53:29.160" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25800" PostId="5034" Score="14" Text="Maybe this should be a comment, not an answer? :-)" CreationDate="2021-05-05T22:15:47.863" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25804" PostId="5034" Score="22" Text="Why should we care about the stackexchange model?  MO has always used comments in a more free-wheeling way." CreationDate="2021-05-06T13:54:24.260" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="25805" PostId="5034" Score="0" Text="@Andy From my point of view, because it works well. Why not using a traditional forum, or a usenet group, or a mailing list instead? All of them have been tried, as far as I understand, but (by chance or by merit) MO is the one that has the largest online community of mathematicians today. (Anyhow, from a more practical point of view, in the linked meta thread I listed various drawbacks of writing answers in comments)." CreationDate="2021-05-06T16:02:09.410" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25806" PostId="5034" Score="21" Text="It is the largest community, but not because it slavishly insists on following the &quot;stackexchange model&quot;.  We use their software, but our culture and practices have always been an outlier on their network." CreationDate="2021-05-06T16:19:48.877" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="25808" PostId="5034" Score="21" Text="Hi Federico:  Unlike other parts of StackExchange, I view MO as a community of colleagues.  From that point of view, I'd very much prefer this to be informal and respectful.  For example, it wouldn't occur to me to tell my colleagues what they should do (and they probably wouldn't listen anyway!)." CreationDate="2021-05-06T17:40:16.703" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="25811" PostId="5035" Score="8" Text="I voted up this one, but conditionally not to have a broader interpretation of &quot;goes off-topic&quot; than Todd Trimble's practice." CreationDate="2021-05-08T05:05:40.393" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25841" PostId="5035" Score="1" Text="I think it's  hard to talk maths in chat, as it does not typeset maths, so one is left with dollar signs etc all over the place." CreationDate="2021-05-13T22:08:33.130" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25842" PostId="5035" Score="0" Text="@Dima testing $\pi^e$..." CreationDate="2021-05-13T22:59:49.227" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25844" PostId="5035" Score="0" Text="well, point me at a chat that had proper maths typesetting. my experience is that it doesn't work." CreationDate="2021-05-14T06:33:36.153" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25853" PostId="5035" Score="1" Text="@DimaPasechnik Related older topics: [MathJax on Chat](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/44) and [What's the point of having an \*MO\* chat without LaTeX enabled?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3503)." CreationDate="2021-05-14T23:15:54.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25858" PostId="5035" Score="0" Text="these are not working on a setup I tried - these are probably too tied up to a particular browser." CreationDate="2021-05-15T08:45:12.490" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25859" PostId="5035" Score="0" Text="Has anyone tried to ask upstream, i.e. Stackoverflow folks, to enable MathJax in chats?" CreationDate="2021-05-15T08:46:14.033" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25861" PostId="5035" Score="1" Text="@DimaPasechnik You mean feature requests such as [Why is there no support for MathJax in chat?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/15041) on [math.meta.se] or [Any chance of MathJax in chat?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/97938) on [meta.se]?" CreationDate="2021-05-15T09:05:53.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25862" PostId="5035" Score="0" Text="as far as I tried, no way to get it working on an Android phone." CreationDate="2021-05-15T10:16:41.530" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25863" PostId="5035" Score="0" Text="In case somebody stumbles upon the above comments, here is continuation of the above [conversation in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/mathjax-in-chat-on-android)." CreationDate="2021-05-16T02:22:37.277" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25866" PostId="5035" Score="2" Text="As I just found while trying to follow up on a math discussion that has been moved to chat, another misfeature (apart from lack of MathJax) is that chat room are automatically frozen after as few as *14 days* of inactivity." CreationDate="2021-05-16T07:31:16.497" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25867" PostId="5035" Score="0" Text="I'd like to correct myself on MathJax support - it works on Android phones (we had a long chat with the author, involving creation of videos to show the problem etc etc), but it is rather inconvenient there, as bookmarklets don't work as usual, one basically has to search for a stored bookmarklet by using the URL window of the browser, and execute it. Also, creating this (not quite) bookmarklet involves editing the bookmark body and pasting raw JavaScript code there." CreationDate="2021-05-16T08:56:28.507" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25868" PostId="5035" Score="0" Text="The old instructions on the bookmarklet made it totally unclear, but now they're amended to alert Android users." CreationDate="2021-05-16T08:57:36.227" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25869" PostId="5035" Score="0" Text="even user-facing Google employees thought that bookmarklets don't work on Android at all :-)&#xA;https://paul.kinlan.me/use-bookmarklets-on-chrome-on-android/" CreationDate="2021-05-16T09:01:34.990" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25870" PostId="5035" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek I will add to your comment that frozen rooms can also be [unfrozen by moderators](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/70198/how-do-i-unfreeze-a-frozen-chat-room), if they are needed again. (Not necessarily MO mods - a moderator from any Stack Exchange site will do. But I suppose that this happens rarely for rooms moved from the comments.) My comment is mostly for the benefit of other users reading this - most likely you already know about this." CreationDate="2021-05-16T12:26:56.317" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25827" PostId="5038" Score="2" Text="I am not really sure why the downvote - I have just mentioned a solution which was endorsed by one of MO moderators in a previous discussion about this issue." CreationDate="2021-05-12T09:45:58.040" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25824" PostId="5039" Score="18" Text="If you look at the &quot;Featured on Meta&quot; box on the right, you'll see SE announced [We are switching to system fonts](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/364048/we-are-switching-to-system-fonts-on-may-10-2021?cb=1). Changes went live yesterday, May 10. I hate it too. Probably we'll get used to it." CreationDate="2021-05-12T03:49:33.767" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="25825" PostId="5039" Score="3" Text="On Windows it’s pparently not that bad. But the font they choosed for Ubuntu and friends is absolutely unreadable, there is no getting used to it." CreationDate="2021-05-12T05:21:51.530" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25826" PostId="5039" Score="7" Text="Concerning math.SE, they use *serif* fonts, which did not change. Yes, we also have the option to switch to serif if we want to, but of course this would require a thorough community discussion." CreationDate="2021-05-12T09:26:42.567" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25829" PostId="5039" Score="5" Text="I like serif fonts, actually" CreationDate="2021-05-12T13:51:34.453" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25830" PostId="5039" Score="3" Text="Purely my opinion, but on Windows, while I certainly noticed the change, I don't mind it at all: it actually fits in with the system fonts quite nicely.  @EmilJeřábek would you be able to post a screenshot from Ubuntu?" CreationDate="2021-05-12T15:13:43.643" UserId="406" />
  <row Id="25831" PostId="5039" Score="3" Text="@MatthewDaws There are some screenshots in the post linked by Tim Campion: [We are switching to system fonts on May 10, 2021](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/364048)." CreationDate="2021-05-12T16:15:49.510" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25832" PostId="5039" Score="3" Text="This seems like the [theme change](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3976/mathoverflow-updated-site-theme-is-ready-for-testing) in 2018: people complained, nothing changed, and in the end we got used to this setup that [makes it harder](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4004/how-can-we-visually-differentiate-mathoverflow-from-mathstackexchange-within-the) to differentiate MO and MSE." CreationDate="2021-05-12T22:28:42.010" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25833" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion: well, I am embarrassed to say that I did not notice that box at all!&#xA;&#xA;Nevertheless, I believe the subquestions stand. Given that some of the sites on the network will retain their own fonts, I don't immediately see why this shouldn't be an option for MO, either. Maybe the new font is better, maybe not. Given the comments above, it certainly seems worth putting to general vote by the community." CreationDate="2021-05-13T02:10:24.357" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="25834" PostId="5039" Score="7" Text="Experience teaches that, once a change has been made, no criticism will be tolerated or listened to. It's similar to their &quot;Speak 'Murican or geddout&quot; attitude that was so prominent in 2019." CreationDate="2021-05-13T02:38:28.753" UserId="24993" />
  <row Id="25838" PostId="5039" Score="6" Text="Personally I find the readability has gone down. I don't necessarily mind sans serif but I think the strokes are too &quot;thin&quot; or something: maybe the text should be a hair bolder?" CreationDate="2021-05-13T16:14:56.280" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25879" PostId="5039" Score="1" Text="A quote from the SE.meta question linked to by @TimCampion: &gt; **Will my Stack Exchange site lose its custom font?**&#xA;&#xA;Nope! This change will not affect sites that have their own typefaces. Sites like Christianity and English will still be displayed in their custom fonts. - Followup question: how hard is it to introduce custom typefaces on MO?" CreationDate="2021-05-23T14:33:47.530" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="26004" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek The font they chose for Ubuntu is Ubuntu's system font. You can change it yourself in settings - it's the same font that is used in Ubuntu's other applications, so if you find it unreadable you should certainly do it." CreationDate="2021-06-04T07:38:09.020" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="26005" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="@NajibIdrissi See, I don’t even *use* Ubuntu, but Linux Mint! You misunderstand how CSS font stacks work. System settings have absolutely no effect on it; they just give an explicit list of fonts, and the first one that happens to be available to the web browser gets selected, irrespective of the system it’s actually running on. That’s one reason the whole idea of using “system” fonts is bonkers; the font that gets selected may have nothing to do with the system. Second, these fonts are not *systems fonts*: they are *system user interface* fonts. They are designed to be used for UI elements..." CreationDate="2021-06-04T08:00:10.290" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26006" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="... like window titles and menu items. They are unsuitable for reading a large body of text. The Segoe font on Windows may be more or less usable as a general-purpose font, but the Ubuntu font absolutely is not (as acknowledged both by its designers and third-party reviews). It’s actually a very nice font *for its stated purpose*, but not for reading text." CreationDate="2021-06-04T08:02:42.593" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26007" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="But anyway, you probably missed that they made a second change to the fonts a while ago, so Ubuntu is no longer among the fonts listed." CreationDate="2021-06-04T08:04:08.723" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26015" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I'm quite confused as to how you can use the words &quot;CSS font stack&quot; and not know about `system-ui`." CreationDate="2021-06-04T18:07:51.843" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="26016" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="@NajibIdrissi What makes you think I do not know about `system-ui`? FWIW, `system-ui` is not relevant here. (1) The Ubuntu font was specified in the font list manually, it didn't come from `system-ui`. (2) `system-ui` is poorly supported. It is not recognized as a keyword by Firefox, nor is it set in any way (system or otherwise) as a font alias in fontconfig by default. (3) The updated SE font list *removed* `system-ui` anyway." CreationDate="2021-06-04T18:29:19.033" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26030" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek You posted on May 12th, 5:26, before system-ui was removed." CreationDate="2021-06-05T08:28:34.103" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="26031" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="Yes. And? I have honestly no idea what you are trying to say or arguing for now. Unless you start talking constructively, I think I’m not going to respond further in this discussion." CreationDate="2021-06-05T08:56:56.613" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25835" PostId="5040" Score="2" Text="Did you check the [SEDE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/data-explorer/info) queries available in some related posts, such as: [How effective are bounties?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/20155) (on [math.meta.se]) or [Probability of getting an answer by bounty](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/200414) (on [meta.se])? Probably you might find some other similar posts. (You'll probably want to run those queries for MO - just a reminder to switch the site when running them.)" CreationDate="2021-05-13T10:10:09.230" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25836" PostId="5040" Score="6" Text="I always felt that bounties on MO were a bit redundant. It's fine if you want to draw attention to it, but MO for the most part is not very gamified. I don't think that a lot of people here are seriously working towards higher reputation, so a bounty serves mostly as a payment for higher visibility rather than a dangled carrot. (That is my personal opinion from the last decade or so, it is based on anecdotal evidence, and has nothing to back it up.)" CreationDate="2021-05-13T10:12:30.523" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="25837" PostId="5040" Score="1" Text="Some bounties not offered with the intention to reward an existing answer rather than attract new answers. In such cases, we cannot say that the goal of the bounty wasn't fulfilled if no new answer is added. (I have added [a few comments in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/how-effective-are-bounties). We can discuss some related things there - if we want to avoid having a long comment thread.)" CreationDate="2021-05-13T15:35:51.483" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25873" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, I think newer users find setting and reaping the bounties more important. My own first reputation came from answering a bountied question and then from getting its bounty." CreationDate="2021-05-18T16:06:03.787" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25856" PostId="5041" Score="2" Text="It is worth noting that a question that gets deleted before the next data dump will not be archived." CreationDate="2021-05-15T06:25:45.590" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25857" PostId="5041" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Thanks for your comment, I have added a sentence mentioning this explicitly." CreationDate="2021-05-15T06:43:55.377" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25878" PostId="5042" Score="1" Text="Such a fun video!" CreationDate="2021-05-23T00:56:43.210" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25880" PostId="5044" Score="10" Text="I think &quot;you can't delete your own question if it has any answer at all&quot; is a reasonable rule." CreationDate="2021-05-23T19:44:07.103" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25881" PostId="5044" Score="0" Text="@SamHopkins Well suppose your question and its single answer have fifty downvotes each..." CreationDate="2021-05-23T19:47:44.367" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25882" PostId="5044" Score="6" Text="In that case the deletion should happen as a result of closure, or mod intervention." CreationDate="2021-05-23T19:48:31.290" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25883" PostId="5044" Score="3" Text="(I don't totally know how it works, but my understanding is: closed questions are not automatically deleted; however, closed questions with enough negative response, e.g. downvotes, are deleted automatically after a period of time.)" CreationDate="2021-05-23T19:49:42.697" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="25884" PostId="5044" Score="0" Text="@SamHopkins Well I would say for what I am complaining about there is not much difference between closure and deletion. The result is the same: an interesting elaborate answer with much effort put into it becomes lost for the major part of the community." CreationDate="2021-05-23T19:52:23.583" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25885" PostId="5044" Score="4" Text="A user needs lots of points to see deleted material, but that doesn't apply to closed posts that haven't been deleted, does it? Incidentally, I note that the question (and answer) under discussion here has been undeleted." CreationDate="2021-05-23T22:51:15.413" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="25889" PostId="5044" Score="1" Text="I will mention that self-deleted posts are not shown in the list of recently deleted questions [in the 10k+ tools](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/moderator-tools): [Why are self-deleted posts not shown in the 10k Tools?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/292531) and [Which deletions are not shown in 10k-tools? Are posts deleted by roomba shown there?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/301539) (Your undelete votes should cause that the question is shown among recent undeleted votes in the 10k+ tools.)" CreationDate="2021-05-24T05:05:23.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25890" PostId="5044" Score="1" Text="In case some stuff from there might be useful, here are some related discussions from [math.meta.se]: [Are there some tools to follow deletions on this site?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/28315) and [Is there need to patrol for deleted questions?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/8540)" CreationDate="2021-05-24T05:06:41.607" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25891" PostId="5044" Score="2" Text="One of the things mentioned on [math.meta.se] was an old tea thread called Deleted questions with (possibly substantive) answers. Tea  archive [seems to be down](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4438), so I will add [link to my copy](http://msleziak.com/mathoverflow/tea/discussion/792/deleted-questions-with-possibly-substantive-answers/). (The list of recent deleted questions - similar to the one on tea - can be obtained from SEDE.)" CreationDate="2021-05-24T05:09:20.217" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25893" PostId="5044" Score="1" Text="@SamHopkins Details on auto-deletion can be found [in the help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba) and also in various [posts on Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/auto-delete/info)." CreationDate="2021-05-24T06:45:42.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25894" PostId="5044" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak I believe it is certainly important to have that tea thread and any related discussions available. The question of &quot;smuggling answers&quot; from MO will, I think, reoccur again and again until something efficient is done about it, and, as illustrated by my case, unless newcomers know about previous considerations they will try to reinvent the wheel." CreationDate="2021-05-24T09:30:57.127" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25903" PostId="5044" Score="0" Text="The suggestion that users should request deletion from moderators would mean that this would not be accessible for users below 15 reputation points, since such users [cannot flag](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/flag-posts). (Maybe this is an intended side-effect.)" CreationDate="2021-05-24T15:25:03.053" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25904" PostId="5044" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Could not something like a direct channel to address moderators be opened for them (for such occasions only)?" CreationDate="2021-05-24T15:41:11.887" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25965" PostId="5044" Score="1" Text="This problem was also recently raised at https://cs.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1762/stackexchange-promotes-cheating ." CreationDate="2021-06-01T06:55:36.817" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25892" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="Hm I see. Sorry if I caused any harm with my actions. So that question must be closed again then?" CreationDate="2021-05-24T06:18:56.173" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25895" PostId="5045" Score="2" Text="On the afterthought: would not it be more appropriate if the moderators would have to be notified not by users who accidentally noticed the deletions but rather before the deletion by the askers having discovered that their questions should be deleted? For example, if an OP tries to delete a freshly answered question, an instruction to do it through moderators might pop up or something" CreationDate="2021-05-24T09:38:04.310" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25896" PostId="5045" Score="2" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე Moderators already have access to the list of self-deleted posts. (This is mentioned in several posts on [meta.se], I would consider the information reliable.) I am not sure whether a notification about this would be useful - it seems that moderators already have too many notifications as it is.)" CreationDate="2021-05-24T12:05:32.360" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25899" PostId="5045" Score="6" Text="@MartinSleziak, I took that to be @‍მამუკაჯიბლაძე's point:  whatever action requires moderator intervention is likely to be the path less taken.  So I think the argument is that deleting a post that already has an answer should require that moderator intervention, to make it a high-friction path while recognising that there are nonetheless circumstances that warrant it." CreationDate="2021-05-24T14:05:12.633" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25900" PostId="5045" Score="2" Text="@LSpice Exactly my point, thanks for this clear formulation!" CreationDate="2021-05-24T14:58:32.753" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25902" PostId="5045" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Sorry, I have somehow misread the comment and thought the the suggestion is to create a notification whenever a question having an answer is self-deleted. Still, in the context of this discussions, it is useful to know that moderators have access to a list of self-deletions. (And also 10k+ users can get list of deletions from SEDE - but with some delay.)" CreationDate="2021-05-24T15:11:05.640" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25907" PostId="5045" Score="3" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I can raise this question with my fellow moderators." CreationDate="2021-05-24T19:46:38.820" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="25912" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="The most &quot;compelling reason&quot; to do this is straightforward cheating. &quot;Because the PhD advisor or collaborator is incensed that the question was made public&quot; sounds like attempting to rationalize the situation by pretending that dishonest people don't exist." CreationDate="2021-05-25T12:49:48.803" UserId="136390" />
  <row Id="25913" PostId="5045" Score="3" Text="@alephzero Would &quot;compelling and good-faith reason&quot; satisfy you? Of course cheating is an occasional problem, but the majority of attempts (from e.g. undergraduates) are summarily shut down. Cases of cheating that sometimes get further include contest problems. But this community is pretty alert." CreationDate="2021-05-25T13:58:30.973" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="25918" PostId="5045" Score="2" Text="@alephzero: This answer isn’t pretending that dishonest people don’t exist.  It’s pointing out that there are a non-negligible number of honest people who would be hurt by the proposed change." CreationDate="2021-05-26T02:12:43.480" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="25886" PostId="5046" Score="3" Text="I will add that some info about sources of traffic (in general) can be found in the site analytics, which are available to [users with high enough reputation](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics) (and moderators). Some stats about traffic were given in this answer in February 2014: [Traffic from the list of hot network questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1388#1481)." CreationDate="2021-05-24T04:44:53.190" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25897" PostId="5046" Score="5" Text="From site analytics, one can see that by far most traffic comes from Google -- however there is no useful information given regarding search terms. A fraction of that comes from duckduckgo and Math.SE, each. The other sources of traffic are much smaller." CreationDate="2021-05-24T12:33:10.600" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25908" PostId="5046" Score="3" Text="I just tried searching on Google for math problem sites, but curiously enough MO did not come up in the first page at all; the top hits were sites like www.do-my-homework-for-me.com (yep, such sites really exist), presumably because they pay Google for a top ranking." CreationDate="2021-05-24T20:10:40.900" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="25909" PostId="5046" Score="0" Text="It seems that moderators also have [access to a page with search keywords](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/364788/do-moderators-have-access-to-more-detailed-site-analytics-than-25k-users/364789#364789), but several posts on [meta.se] say that the data shown there are rather useless. I have looked also at the [info shown at Alexa](https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mathoverflow.net), but I do not see some useful information there, either." CreationDate="2021-05-25T08:01:57.323" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25910" PostId="5046" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak On that list of search keywords, I just see: &quot;(not provided): 1777449 visits, (not set) 253729 visits, curve similarity: 1350 visits&quot; -- and that's all. -- Not very helpful." CreationDate="2021-05-25T08:26:46.587" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25911" PostId="5046" Score="1" Text="When googling for math problem sites or math homework sites, indeed it seems one needs to search pretty long until one comes across MO." CreationDate="2021-05-25T08:28:42.167" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25914" PostId="5046" Score="4" Text="If I google math stackexchange then mathoverflow is in the first page of results.  So maybe people no stackexchange has lots of question/answer sites and tries to google one doing math and runs in to both MSE and MO." CreationDate="2021-05-25T15:31:34.120" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="25915" PostId="5046" Score="1" Text="A few hours ago I saw an off-topic question where the asker mentioned that someone on Stack Overflow suggested them to post here. Unfortunately the question is gone and I cannot locate it, not even in the deleted queue (was it self-deleted, maybe? Migrated to math.se?)." CreationDate="2021-05-25T16:31:56.453" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25916" PostId="5046" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni Probably you mean this question?: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/393693/solving-for-a-cumulative-value-given-other-parameters-decline-equation" CreationDate="2021-05-25T21:25:50.397" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25917" PostId="5046" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Yes, many thanks for tracking it down!" CreationDate="2021-05-25T21:28:01.743" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25919" PostId="5046" Score="6" Text="As an anecdotal data point, I found out about MathOverflow as a graduate student from the &quot;hot network questions&quot; box on Mathematics Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2021-05-27T04:10:02.750" UserId="106263" />
  <row Id="25920" PostId="5046" Score="4" Text="While I've never asked a question while this confusion persisted, for quite a while (this was many years ago now) I didn't even realize there was a difference between Mathoverflow and Mathematics Stack Exchange. To me they were both the stack exchange website dealing with mathematics. The way I'd usually end up on either of the sites is searching for particular maths questions/subjects through google and end up on one of the sites." CreationDate="2021-05-28T07:11:50.637" UserId="133533" />
  <row Id="25936" PostId="5046" Score="2" Text="@user7868: Posters who find MO through HNQ’s should be easy to recognise, I guess: if they have reasonably established accounts elsewhere on the network, they’re presumably pretty likely to have found us that way, and if not, pretty unlikely?" CreationDate="2021-05-28T21:53:50.137" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="25953" PostId="5046" Score="5" Text="I expect askers of highly off-topic questions (&quot;solve my homework/exam please help&quot; style with embedded picture such as [this one](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/394110/)) post simultaneously at many sites without paying attention to guidelines. This doesn't answer the question, but suggests they might attempt to find as many possible sites to do so." CreationDate="2021-05-30T14:23:39.703" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="25921" PostId="5047" Score="12" Text="I think it is a good question, and I'd be glad if it remains open." CreationDate="2021-05-28T09:35:35.860" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25954" PostId="5047" Score="0" Text="I am conflicted - I instinctively find myself quibbling over the various contributions, and finding fault when I engage my &quot;proving maths&quot; brain; yet on the other hand I appreciate that perfectionism is the enemy of getting things done, and the various answers might raise awareness among people in one system of issues/ideas arising in another one" CreationDate="2021-05-30T14:40:16.497" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25959" PostId="5047" Score="0" Text="Why so many down-votes to Neil's question?" CreationDate="2021-05-30T16:23:21.677" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="25960" PostId="5047" Score="2" Text="@AndréHenriques Downvotes in meta generally mean disagreeing with the proposal. They do not carry a negative meaning towards the asker or the question like downvotes in main, and they are often given more liberally." CreationDate="2021-05-30T16:37:18.603" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25961" PostId="5047" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know." CreationDate="2021-05-30T16:40:24.160" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="25962" PostId="5047" Score="0" Text="This post might be more appropriate, and get better responses, by asking a question rather than calling for discussion. It could be retitled: &quot;Should we close 'Changes Forced by the Pandemic'?&quot;" CreationDate="2021-05-31T01:40:59.397" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25963" PostId="5047" Score="0" Text="@MattF. How ironic, I wanted to suggest the same thing for the original post 'Changes Forced by the Pandemic': it would get better responses if the title included a question. :)" CreationDate="2021-05-31T08:38:23.247" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25967" PostId="5047" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni. I agree with you that the title was not very well worded (I tried to minimise the number of words in the title)... Now, it's of course a bit late to change the title, but what alternative wording for the  title would you have liked to see?" CreationDate="2021-06-01T22:24:52.083" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="25976" PostId="5047" Score="1" Text="@AndréHenriques Why late? :) Anyhow, it is difficult for me to suggest a good title in my position. Maybe &quot;How did the pandemic change a mathematician's job?&quot;, but I don't find it ideal either. That's why I didn't edit it myself or make this remark until someone else brought up the issue of titles." CreationDate="2021-06-02T06:26:04.720" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25977" PostId="5047" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni I quite like &quot;How did the pandemic change a mathematician's job?&quot; and wouldn't mind if you changed the title to that. When I said that it's a bit late, I was just referring to the fact that the question is past its activity peak, so I see no real purpose anymore. Also it might make it more difficult for people X years into the future who want to go back and find the question (eg would it break the link from https://old.reddit.com/r/math/comments/nnc1v3/changes_forced_by_the_pandemic/ ?) But please, do go ahead and change the title if you think that would be an improvement.  :-)" CreationDate="2021-06-02T06:49:03.900" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="25980" PostId="5047" Score="2" Text="@AndréHenriques Changing the title doesn't break links. Actually, everything after the last bar is ignored: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/393957/how-many-goals-did-Ronaldo-score ." CreationDate="2021-06-02T15:56:21.167" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="25924" PostId="5048" Score="2" Text="I also made a lightboard (http://neil-strickland.staff.shef.ac.uk/lightboard.html) but did not end up using it very much.  Instead, I mostly wrote on paper with a visualiser and recorded it with OBS or similar tools.  I found the workflow for that quite painless, whereas the lightboard required multiple processing steps and was very awkward.  Did you have more success than me?" CreationDate="2021-05-28T10:02:44.293" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="25928" PostId="5048" Score="0" Text="@NeilStrickland My lightboard worked really well. I recorded three whole classes so far on it. One of them is publicly available here: http://andreghenriques.com/Teaching/CFT2020.html (Note that the image quality of the first few videos is less good than that or the later ones). I also recorded a bunch of seminar talks e.g.: http://andreghenriques.com/OSUseminar2020.mp4" CreationDate="2021-05-28T14:26:24.147" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="25931" PostId="5048" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that's interesting, your results are very good.  Can you say something about your camera and software setup?  Were you recording through a mirror or did you do the reflection in software?" CreationDate="2021-05-28T15:07:11.987" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="25933" PostId="5048" Score="1" Text="The reflection is in the software. The camera I used is a Canon Legria. I used OBS Studio for recordings, and OpenShot video editor for editing. But really, all the credit goes to my wife Ana: she's my IT support  :-)" CreationDate="2021-05-28T15:21:19.390" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="25937" PostId="5048" Score="3" Text="Hi André, I think you should consider adding this as an answer to your question. At least I hadn't seen it before, and think the videos that I saw look very nice indeed." CreationDate="2021-05-28T23:53:04.503" UserId="45956" />
  <row Id="25942" PostId="5048" Score="0" Text="@JulesLamers I thought about it. The question is now unfortunately closed, so this is no longer an option." CreationDate="2021-05-29T08:12:18.643" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="25943" PostId="5048" Score="3" Text="@AndréHenriques There is a discussion on your same question on reddit https://old.reddit.com/r/math/comments/nnc1v3/changes_forced_by_the_pandemic/ , mind the userbase, tone and rules might be different than MathOverflow's." CreationDate="2021-05-29T11:45:41.860" UserId="44499" />
  <row Id="25944" PostId="5048" Score="0" Text="Undergrad exams are generally off-topic here; they would be on-topic at matheducators.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2021-05-29T12:30:07.957" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25958" PostId="5048" Score="1" Text="@MattF. I agree with you that a question which asks *specifically* about undergrad exams would be inappropriate on MO. But my question is open-ended, and is intended to exchange knowledge and experiences." CreationDate="2021-05-30T16:22:00.243" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="25929" PostId="5049" Score="10" Text="I agree with you that a similar question could be asked for other areas of academia. But mathematics does not work in the same way as other science disciplines. (I suspect that the ways in which the pandemic has disrupted the life of a chemist are rather different from the way it has disrupted the lives of research mathematicians.) Also, research conferences in math are structured very differently from research conferences in other areas. I'm interested about what mathematicians, specifically, have to say about this." CreationDate="2021-05-28T14:43:06.333" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="25945" PostId="5049" Score="2" Text="@AndréHenriques, how are research conferences in math structured differently from research conferences in other areas?" CreationDate="2021-05-29T12:31:21.917" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="25946" PostId="5049" Score="9" Text="@MattF. Math conferences have longer talks (60min), often delivered on blackboards, where the authors not only present their results, but also explain some of their proofs. By contrast, non-math conferences have much shorter presentations (20min), always powerpoint, which often happen in parallel: so the people presenting are competing for the attention of the audience. Most importantly, the time between talks is a time when new math can be *created*. This is very different from other disciplines, where the creation of new scientific knowledge is dependent on running an experiment in a lab." CreationDate="2021-05-29T14:00:41.690" UserId="5690" />
  <row Id="25930" PostId="5051" Score="3" Text="&quot;almost anything from a student about the working relationship with their advisor... would be best closed&quot;. Why is asking about the working relationship with their own advisor not appropriate? This is a key point in someone's academic career. I understand the privacy issues, but there are ways to ask anonimously" CreationDate="2021-05-28T15:04:17.553" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="25932" PostId="5051" Score="3" Text="Sorry, I meant &quot;closed here and suggested to ask on academic.stackexchange...&quot;" CreationDate="2021-05-28T15:08:00.370" UserId="406" />
  <row Id="25952" PostId="5051" Score="2" Text="The second linked question about Covid lessons is not suitable for Academia, and it would be closed. In general, apart from [software solutions](https://academia.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4675/what-are-the-limits-of-shopping-questions-when-it-comes-to-software) (with certain limits), big-list questions are considered off-topic at Academia (contrary to here)." CreationDate="2021-05-30T09:24:54.613" UserId="84320" />
  <row Id="25957" PostId="5051" Score="2" Text="On a lighter note, Matt, I'm still surprised to hear that there are places in the UK where one can still chalk-and-talk. &lt;meta name=&quot;robots&quot; content=&quot;donotsnitchonmetoNSS&quot;&gt;Even the whiteboard version of that meets with quite some resistance here&lt;/meta&gt;" CreationDate="2021-05-30T14:48:31.830" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25955" PostId="5052" Score="5" Text="I think these are reasonable takes, but FWIW I saw that first question on academia.SE and thought &quot;that might do better on MO since the system of refereeing for pure mathematics has several features that look odd to those in other disciplines&quot;" CreationDate="2021-05-30T14:45:18.773" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="25956" PostId="5052" Score="2" Text="Fair enough.  I think we’re mostly all agreed on the big picture, but disagree on where exactly to draw the line." CreationDate="2021-05-30T14:47:20.367" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="25934" PostId="5053" Score="2" Text="I see that comment correctly, with the formula in one line and the dot at the end (and the line break before the formula). Which browser do you use?" CreationDate="2021-05-28T20:51:52.670" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="25935" PostId="5053" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, the first screenshot was from Firefox.  I have now edited in what I see in Safari.  Probably the conditions that trigger this bad breaking will be different depending on the particularities of the setups of different users, but I guess every user will probably see some variant of this some time.  (It seems to be triggered when we would previously have seen [overflowing math](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1148/the-math-its-overflowing).)" CreationDate="2021-05-28T20:58:30.963" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="25941" PostId="5053" Score="0" Text="Is the way the comment is displayed different if you [change the Math Renderer](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30859#30860)? This is what I see in Chrome with HTML-CSS: https://i.stack.imgur.com/xMla8.png" CreationDate="2021-05-29T05:02:37.210" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25938" PostId="5054" Score="0" Text="Might be a good idea to look at other questions about bounties on this site – there have been 34 of them, maybe some have already discussed what you bring up." CreationDate="2021-05-29T01:47:38.723" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="25939" PostId="5054" Score="1" Text="As far as I can tell, when offering a bounty, the dialog contains the text: &quot;this reputation is deducted immediately and cannot be refunded&quot;. It is shown, for example, in the screenshot in this answer: [Point out that bounties are non-refundable](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/165846#289139)." CreationDate="2021-05-29T03:31:18.110" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25940" PostId="5054" Score="0" Text="Since you seem to look for such instances, here are users who offered large part of their reputation in bounties: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1296136/highest-percentage-of-rep-in-bounties-only-counting-questions-which-are-not-del https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1296136/highest-percentage-of-rep-in-bounties-only-counting-questions-which-are-not-del?minbounties=1&amp;min=2 (The second link is restrict to users with reputation at least 2, to remove suspended users. You can play around with the parameters if you wish.)" CreationDate="2021-05-29T04:07:51.123" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25947" PostId="5054" Score="0" Text="What was the wording before the change in 2013?" CreationDate="2021-05-30T03:30:57.230" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="25948" PostId="5054" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson I have added to my answer some screenshot from 2012 that I was able to find." CreationDate="2021-05-30T04:47:22.340" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25950" PostId="5055" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the detailed post as always Martin, it is much appreciated." CreationDate="2021-05-30T05:48:25.477" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25951" PostId="5055" Score="0" Text="@AlecRhea I left a few related comments [in my chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/19138/conversation/wording-in-the-bounty-dialog) - since I did not want to create a long comment thread here." CreationDate="2021-05-30T05:59:13.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25949" PostId="5057" Score="1" Text="Apparently because everyone hates this suggestion lol, cest la vie. We're already wise to it so it's only potentially dangerous to new users, and if the community here doesn't care about that potential impact I'm not inclined to try and change minds." CreationDate="2021-05-30T05:47:12.437" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25964" PostId="5058" Score="0" Text="I understand that rep is a pretty silly mechanic overall, but it still has bearing on how a question/answer is received. Over on stackoverflow I've heard rumors about rep getting people jobs, but I don't expect any such mechanic to carry over to MO in the foreseeable future. Recently I've been happy to see people responding extra-positively to appropriate posts by new users if anything, here's hoping the trend keeps up. (also it seems like worrying about excessively high rep is equal in silliness to worrying about low rep)" CreationDate="2021-06-01T06:06:01.023" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25966" PostId="5058" Score="2" Text="@AlecRhea: The high-tech industry is completely different from academia.  I don't think that MO reputation will ever play a role in academic hiring.  I think that giving consistently insightful answers over a long period of time might have a small secondary effect, but I am not aware of anyone whose answers were interesting enough for this to matter who did not also have a stellar research record.  And the numerical score will remain irrelevant in all cases." CreationDate="2021-06-01T14:03:54.500" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="25968" PostId="5058" Score="0" Text="I definitely agree that a track record of good answers would be more likely to have an impact than the number under a name, but I can't see the future." CreationDate="2021-06-02T02:08:35.507" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25969" PostId="5058" Score="0" Text="(also I would probably support bounties being eliminated, it would fix the issue I'm talking about in this post)" CreationDate="2021-06-02T02:12:07.670" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25970" PostId="5058" Score="1" Text="@AlecRhea: If I remember correctly, you're still an undergraduate.  I've been playing this game for a long time, so you've just got to trust me: there is no set of circumstances in which a person's numerical MO score will ever play a role in academic hiring.  One doesn't need psychic powers to see this." CreationDate="2021-06-02T02:12:48.333" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="25971" PostId="5058" Score="0" Text="I'm actually technically a dropout since 2018, but the point that you have more experience in academia stands irrespective." CreationDate="2021-06-02T02:13:37.960" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="25972" PostId="5058" Score="3" Text="Precise reputation might be silly, but the powers that rep afford, once over certain thresholds, are not. Loosing capabilities of how one interacts with the site is annoying, because it's not like the bounty-awarder loses the part of their brain that permitted them to use said capabilities, and need to build it up again. (The question is of course moot for someone with multiple thousands of rep, but early on the attainment of every new privilege feels hard-fought)" CreationDate="2021-06-02T04:49:24.467" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="25978" PostId="5059" Score="1" Text="Thanks for your description of your experience!  I don’t quite follow your explanation of how you misunderstood the MO policies — could you quote the bit that you misunderstood? (Or at least a short excerpt, if there were too many such to quote all.)" CreationDate="2021-06-02T13:13:25.750" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="25979" PostId="5059" Score="3" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine: I basically mistook ***research** level* for *original **research***." CreationDate="2021-06-02T13:34:07.283" UserId="39602" />
  <row Id="25989" PostId="5059" Score="6" Text="@Lucian The term &quot;original research&quot; on Wikipedia has a special Wikipedian meaning that doesn't apply elsewhere, and is their innovation. It didn't arise from the everyday meaning of the term as everyone else uses it, but, as you say, was coined when some terminology was needed to try to smooth over relations with certain people with particular obsessions, hobby-horses, bees in their bonnet, etc. So really the fault lies with Wikipedia for using the term &quot;research&quot; in this way, not MathOverflow for using it with its usual meaning (to be clear, I like Wikipedia and edit it from time to time)." CreationDate="2021-06-03T11:29:39.597" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="25990" PostId="5059" Score="1" Text="(Also, in case the tone of my comment gets misread, I am not the downvoter of your answer, I upvoted it.)" CreationDate="2021-06-03T11:31:04.273" UserId="61785" />
  <row Id="25996" PostId="5059" Score="1" Text="@RobertFurber: It seemed *logical* to me *not* to ask questions about something whilst it is *still* in its *research* phase, since there would be *no* point in inquiring about an answer whilst the data has *not yet* been properly gathered, weighed, and sorted, and *before* a clear *conclusion* could therefore naturally emerge." CreationDate="2021-06-03T12:00:22.570" UserId="39602" />
  <row Id="26044" PostId="5059" Score="0" Text="I regard this as an argument in favour of my suggestion here: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5011/revising-the-help-page-on-what-topics-can-i-ask-around-here/5022#5022  -- the guideline should be that before asking on MO you should find n questions where you understand the question and the accepted answer.  (I suggested n=10, but Tim Campion said n=2 or n=3 would be better.)" CreationDate="2021-06-08T08:40:12.683" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="25981" PostId="5060" Score="2" Text="Does the behavior change if you switch the math renderer? (See also: [How do I change Math Renderer for MathJax?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30859))" CreationDate="2021-06-03T04:10:18.903" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25982" PostId="5060" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Good question! I cannot access the MathJax menu anywhere on Firefox!" CreationDate="2021-06-03T04:35:30.443" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25983" PostId="5060" Score="2" Text="That's interesting - here's is a screenshot showing also what I get in FF (including the MathJax menu): https://i.stack.imgur.com/dL04K.png To save work for the user who want to try this on the same post, I will add a link: [Integral representation of product of two Whittaker functions](https://mathoverflow.net/q/373947)." CreationDate="2021-06-03T04:45:46.737" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25984" PostId="5060" Score="2" Text="Did you try to force reload the page to override cache (Ctrl+Shift+R or Ctrl+F5)?" CreationDate="2021-06-03T06:33:02.783" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25985" PostId="5060" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek Tried now, rendered MathJax momentarily turns into TeX code and then returns to the same" CreationDate="2021-06-03T06:56:48.447" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25986" PostId="5060" Score="1" Text="Are you really sure you cannot access the MathJax menu? It can be somewhat difficult to get it right at times. You need to place cursor over a rendered element of the MathJax expression (ideally, something with a large area, such as one of the $W$’s in the displayed equation); in most (but not all) modes, a correct place is visually indicated by the pointer cursor changing to a text cursor. Then you right click." CreationDate="2021-06-03T07:59:10.567" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25987" PostId="5060" Score="1" Text="FWIW, for me (Firefox 89 on Linux) the line breaks display correctly with most Math Renderer settings (including the default “HTML-CSS”), with the exception of “Preview HTML” and “MathML”, which make it look similar to your screenshot." CreationDate="2021-06-03T08:05:47.460" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="25988" PostId="5060" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I tried at several different expressions of various sizes. When I hover over it, occasionally the cursor changes from an arrow to a vertical line, but in any case when I right click I just get the default Firefox menu that appears upon the right click anywhere else." CreationDate="2021-06-03T08:14:06.067" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25991" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="Not surprising, given that Windows treats `\\` differently, contributing to driving developers to insanity quite a lot :-)" CreationDate="2021-06-03T11:44:06.950" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25992" PostId="5061" Score="2" Text="Your answer gave me an idea. I edited that question and replaced the `$$` with `\begin{multline*}` `\end{multline*}` (without touching the `\\ `). It renders correctly in the preview." CreationDate="2021-06-03T11:45:01.050" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25993" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="Besides, it is still not clear why I cannot access the MathJax menu" CreationDate="2021-06-03T11:47:03.503" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25994" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="In my Firefox I can do this --- switch to Linux :P" CreationDate="2021-06-03T11:49:07.947" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25995" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="Well I've got WSL. Maybe one day I'll migrate without even noticing it :)" CreationDate="2021-06-03T11:50:32.987" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="25997" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="I suggest WLS 2, not 1 - just in case." CreationDate="2021-06-03T12:03:43.627" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="25998" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="Probably I should have explicitly mentioned that [screenshot I posted above](https://i.stack.imgur.com/dL04K.png) was from Firefox under Windows." CreationDate="2021-06-03T12:19:12.070" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="25999" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="Oh dear, I didn’t notice that there were `\\ ` inside `$$...$$` without any proper environment. This is basically invalid syntax, and it is not supposed to work. (In actual LaTeX, it *doesn’t* produce a line break.) You seem not to have submitted the edit, so I will." CreationDate="2021-06-03T12:56:16.730" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26028" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek It is clear that this is not correct in LaTeX. Whether or not this is suppose to work in MathJax is a separated question. There are a few related comments and links [in the MathJax chatrom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/13752/conversation/using-for-linebreaks)." CreationDate="2021-06-05T06:40:42.903" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26029" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I see, I wasn’t aware of that. Usually, MathJax strives to be compatible to LaTeX, so this is an odd exception." CreationDate="2021-06-05T08:05:33.180" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26000" PostId="5063" Score="21" Text="Your suggestion to post using an anonymous account in such situation seems reasonable to me." CreationDate="2021-06-03T20:45:26.050" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26001" PostId="5063" Score="4" Text="Ask me, will be happy to play sockpuppet for such occasion :)" CreationDate="2021-06-04T02:02:41.257" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="26002" PostId="5063" Score="4" Text="In this older post Dmitri Pavlov raised another issue related to refereeing: [Privacy of software-generated links to questions and answers](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2167)." CreationDate="2021-06-04T04:19:07.297" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26009" PostId="5063" Score="28" Text="You'll want to be careful to disclose contents from the paper on a public forum, as a referee you are bound to confidentiality; discussing with a colleague is permitted, a more public discussion is not." CreationDate="2021-06-04T09:57:22.503" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26012" PostId="5063" Score="2" Text="@Carlo Beenakker Yes your point is well made. The question in my post is general enough that only addresses a step in a proof involving standard and well-known facts, so I don't think it reveals much of the result itself." CreationDate="2021-06-04T10:53:38.353" UserId="66323" />
  <row Id="26014" PostId="5063" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, it's definitely an appropriate situation to use a sockpuppet account.  The one caveat is that any references should be to the best *answer* and not to the *question*, lest one be accused of anonymously pointing directly to one's own item." CreationDate="2021-06-04T13:19:39.940" UserId="157443" />
  <row Id="26025" PostId="5063" Score="7" Text="@Carlo depending on whether the paper is already public, for instance on the arXiv. It's then perfectly natural for anyone interested in the paper to ask a specific question about a specific step if it'sunclear (though clearly not ok to just outright ask if the paper/theorem at hand is correct)." CreationDate="2021-06-05T04:03:43.153" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26019" PostId="5064" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your comments. Of course my question was hypothetical. I would not initiate a discussion on a paper I am refereeing, whether anonymously or not." CreationDate="2021-06-04T21:33:37.863" UserId="66323" />
  <row Id="26018" PostId="5065" Score="5" Text="I would expect any effect to be a higher order effect, the first order effects being for the paid offerings of StackOverflow, which MO is not." CreationDate="2021-06-04T21:25:34.537" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26022" PostId="5065" Score="6" Text="There's a [similar question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/365050/148031) over at meta.SE which probably has better informed answers by former SE employees than anything we can give here.  Of course it may effect MO in different ways than the rest of the network, but given our lack of knowledge there's not much we can say that's MO specific (and very little we can say at any level of generality)." CreationDate="2021-06-05T00:25:13.420" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="26023" PostId="5065" Score="11" Text="I guess the question is: will the arrangement be SE and MO remain unchanged? Are there any unwritten conventions for how MO works as a &quot;special member&quot; of the SE network that might be overridden as a side-effect of the new owners making big decisions around eg monetising content/process/user data, or adding a sign-up to read or post answers?" CreationDate="2021-06-05T00:54:29.390" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26034" PostId="5065" Score="11" Text="@DavidRoberts: The agreement maintains its legal significance." CreationDate="2021-06-05T15:19:36.633" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="26036" PostId="5065" Score="0" Text="I don't understand. They bought SO, not the whole SE network? Or what?" CreationDate="2021-06-05T20:09:43.617" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="26037" PostId="5065" Score="5" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე The company as a whole is called StackOverflow, even though it should properly refer to SE, not just the one sub-site. It's to do with brand recognition, since that's the original and most popular site." CreationDate="2021-06-05T21:44:52.277" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26038" PostId="5065" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais sure, but I don't think that covers every eventuality." CreationDate="2021-06-05T21:46:32.503" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26039" PostId="5065" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts I'm pretty sure nothing covers &quot;every eventuality&quot; but is there one eventuality you are concerned about?" CreationDate="2021-06-07T05:06:43.383" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="26040" PostId="5065" Score="12" Text="I think doing something like free but mandatory sign-up to see more than a limited number of questions is super annoying, and I don't think out of the realm of possibility. Sites like Quora, Pinterest do this, and for instance Reddit on mobile wants people to even install the app and then sign up. Some newspapers for instance want you to make a free account to read them. This seems like the kind of move that is a) site-wide and b) not against the terms of the MO-Stackexchange agreement and c) from what I've seen of mathematicians here, wouldn't be well-received among our users/potential users." CreationDate="2021-06-07T05:43:38.983" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26042" PostId="5065" Score="6" Text="@DavidRoberts Based on what I [read here](https://lifehacker.com/get-around-quoras-content-restrictions-with-this-quick-476472786), it seems that adding `share=1` to the URL should be enough to see a post on Quora without the need of an account. (I have tried a bit in incognito mode, it seems to be working.) In any case, this is just tangential here - but since Quora was mentioned, I thought this was worth pointing out." CreationDate="2021-06-08T04:31:15.843" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26045" PostId="5065" Score="8" Text="@Martin this is the sort of secret hack that only lessens the friction an epsilon. I had never heard of this trick before, and just stopped relying on Quora." CreationDate="2021-06-08T08:40:56.860" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26032" PostId="5066" Score="1" Text="I very much agree with this general sentiment, but to play devil's advocate: arguably the lack of hard-and-fast rules about the acceptability of these kinds of questions promotes the debates about them which happen every time they are posted." CreationDate="2021-06-05T13:00:44.363" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26033" PostId="5066" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I could imagine some rules, but I’m not sure if they’re good ideas and they’re hard to make work technically.  (Monthly meta thread where the highest voted soft question is posted to the site.  Mods hard closing any second soft question posted while another is active.  Asking a soft question requires spending 5k rep.)" CreationDate="2021-06-05T13:17:11.537" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="26035" PostId="5067" Score="24" Text="Of course if there were bad news coming they would not simply announce them. So we should better take this announcement with a grain of salt." CreationDate="2021-06-05T19:53:57.297" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="26041" PostId="5067" Score="7" Text="Taking it with a grain of salt seems exactly to be the spirit of &quot;We are on the lookout for any issues that may arise, but haven't spotted any at the mo[me]nt.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-06-07T16:12:25.877" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26052" PostId="5067" Score="3" Text="@LSpice I think that first comment was written before I added that part." CreationDate="2021-06-08T16:41:53.740" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="26046" PostId="5068" Score="4" Text="I think that at this point the code is maintained by SE, but I will get in touch with them about making this fix. I noticed some other minor issues recently, so that's a good reason." CreationDate="2021-06-08T08:56:39.340" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26050" PostId="5068" Score="1" Text="@Asaf that would be great thanks! Hopefully then it would also be updated on other sites that use it like Math.SE" CreationDate="2021-06-08T13:38:42.693" UserId="70388" />
  <row Id="26051" PostId="5068" Score="2" Text="Well, if it's updated it will be done so across the network." CreationDate="2021-06-08T13:39:18.243" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26072" PostId="5068" Score="2" Text="Maybe an even better solution would be allowing the default Mathjax delimiters `\(...\)` so that they work properly and can be used without other issues. Note that these math delimiters appear, for instance, on the Bibtex files produced by Zbmath." CreationDate="2021-06-17T21:07:03.813" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="26075" PostId="5068" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni I agree. That what you suggest is possible can be seen in the first example in [this](http://docs.mathjax.org/en/latest/basic/mathematics.html) page of the Mathjax docs. Does someone know why it is not currently enabled on MO/SE sites? perhaps it conflicts with some other syntax? (can't think of any) Though it is probably easier for SE to change the citation helper than to verify that `\(...\)` does not break older posts" CreationDate="2021-06-18T04:14:55.123" UserId="70388" />
  <row Id="26153" PostId="5068" Score="2" Text="It just occurred to me that, as SE is redoing their post editor (the thing which switches between rich text and markdown), the citation helper might go away with the old post editor? And/or they may not want to bother with this" CreationDate="2021-07-05T04:35:47.357" UserId="70388" />
  <row Id="26043" PostId="5069" Score="1" Text="Thanks, that's interesting and useful.  I got similar results in private mode with a variety of browsers.  The precise search term &quot;ask a math question&quot; seems to be important; I did not find MO with various other terms like &quot;math problem&quot; or &quot;math help&quot;.  Also, searching Bing for &quot;ask a math question&quot; did not find MO." CreationDate="2021-06-08T08:35:42.177" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="26047" PostId="5069" Score="3" Text="It is worth pointing out that Tim Campion recently escalated to SE the request for some changes in the text of the modal window shown in your screenshot: [What should the modal window for first-time askers say?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5007) (The final proposal is [in the accepted answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5007/what-should-the-modal-window-for-first-time-askers-say/5024#5024).)" CreationDate="2021-06-08T08:59:47.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26048" PostId="5069" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak That's interesting, but I'm skeptical. As Internet users, we are trained to close modals (which usually contain ads, cookie/tracking-related boilerplate, newsletter registration forms, or similar useless information) as quickly as possible to get to the useful content." CreationDate="2021-06-08T09:05:03.027" UserId="36146" />
  <row Id="26049" PostId="5069" Score="2" Text="It's right to be skeptical - but still I think that it is worth trying. In my [2021 feature request](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4806) I have mentioned some data from other sites. This was follow-up to the [previous feature request from 2017](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3386). One of the moderators said [back in 2018](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/45398862#45398862) that they are planning to do this - it took more than two years.  (I understand that some MO users might see advantages to having such questions here - but I did not recall objections to these changes.)" CreationDate="2021-06-08T09:11:46.220" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26053" PostId="5070" Score="6" Text="I'm not sure I would go quite this far.  Several times when refereeing papers, I have asked colleagues/collaborators of mine for help understanding certain technical points.  For many papers, there is no single person other than the author who deeply understands every input to the proofs!  I don't think that you should do this in public, but for people whose discretion you trust it can be fine in the right circumstances." CreationDate="2021-06-08T20:12:10.670" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="26054" PostId="5070" Score="4" Text="With preprints being readily available, I don't see a problem with referees discussing papers (discreetly) with others.  I can imagine there being a problem if the preprint were not freely available though.  Any mechanism that helps the referee understand more thoroughly whether an argument is correct or not, I think it is to be welcomed." CreationDate="2021-06-09T00:52:59.383" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="26055" PostId="5070" Score="3" Text="I agree with both remarks. IF a preprint is available, of course one can discuss it with anyone. Discussion with a colleague you trust is different from a discussion n MO:-)" CreationDate="2021-06-09T04:30:59.250" UserId="25510" />
  <row Id="26068" PostId="5070" Score="1" Text="An anonymous account on MO is anonymous only for ordinary users of MO. Moderators know your IP, email and so on.  Thus by asking a question on MO violates the privacy of refereeing." CreationDate="2021-06-16T00:48:20.770" UserId="157261" />
  <row Id="26152" PostId="5070" Score="0" Text="@MarkSapir: Whenever I make an anonymous post, I don't give a valid email address (the system only demands *something*, but you don't have to give a real email address if you don't register the account).  And as long as you don't post from your university, it will be pretty hard to even figure out what city you're in from the IP address (at least if you're using a big network like e.g. Comcast)." CreationDate="2021-07-05T04:25:38.230" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="26154" PostId="5070" Score="0" Text="An IP address defines your location up to a few feet." CreationDate="2021-07-05T06:22:29.250" UserId="157261" />
  <row Id="26162" PostId="5070" Score="0" Text="@Mark Sapir: Yes, but it would require a subpoena to figure out your location from your ip address.  If the law got involved and really wanted to know who referred a paper, I assume they would just contact the journal.  I doubt any journal would even argue with an order from a court to divulge a referee." CreationDate="2021-07-06T00:01:09.077" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="26163" PostId="5070" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman: The moderators (and some other people at SE) know the location of any poster in MO. You can ask the moderators on meta if you want to make sure.  My journal would not disclose the identity of a referee with or without a court order. I am pretty sure Annals of Mathematics would not too." CreationDate="2021-07-06T00:07:37.390" UserId="157261" />
  <row Id="26167" PostId="5070" Score="0" Text="I recall Tim Gowers once asked a question here about a certain topic that wasn't his speciality and then, lo and behold, he was later talking about a certain mathematician's work in that area, for they had just won the Abel prize. Tim was very careful to ask the question in a way that made it seem like a natural inquiry, not like he was giving away the Abel laureate in advance. Of course, he could later confess to doing this, since his lecture wasn't then a secret." CreationDate="2021-07-06T13:00:38.453" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26056" PostId="5071" Score="1" Text="I can confirm that on Chromium 91.0.4472.77 (Official Build) Arch Linux (64-bit) the highlighting on watched tags (on the front page) is missing. Similarly on math.SE the colour highlighting is missing." CreationDate="2021-06-10T11:51:32.330" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26057" PostId="5071" Score="0" Text="Same problem with Firefox 68esr." CreationDate="2021-06-10T12:21:02.070" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="26058" PostId="5071" Score="0" Text="Same bug on SO and MO Meta, but not on SO Meta." CreationDate="2021-06-10T12:27:21.313" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="26059" PostId="5071" Score="4" Text="[meta.se]: [Ignored and watched tags seem broken](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/366321)" CreationDate="2021-06-10T13:00:02.530" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26060" PostId="5071" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Do you know: Is there some action we should take in order to restore highlighting? I gather from your link that it has been resolved in some (perhaps limited) sense." CreationDate="2021-06-11T21:25:26.663" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="26062" PostId="5071" Score="0" Text="This seems to be the latest information: [Marc Gravell](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/366345/228808)." CreationDate="2021-06-12T17:36:49.937" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="26063" PostId="5071" Score="0" Text="@JosephO'Rourke I have posted a screenshot showing what I see [in the MathOverflow charoom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/highlighting-for-watched-tags). (Maybe also somebody else will do so either here or in chat.)" CreationDate="2021-06-12T22:58:03.390" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26064" PostId="5071" Score="0" Text="The highlighting is still broken for me. Chrome 91.0.4472.101." CreationDate="2021-06-13T08:05:55.663" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="26065" PostId="5071" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins: Ditto for me---Still broken." CreationDate="2021-06-13T11:10:05.983" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="26066" PostId="5071" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: Did you take any action to achieve that screenshot? What browser are you using?" CreationDate="2021-06-13T12:23:16.730" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="26067" PostId="5071" Score="3" Text="It seems to me that it's fixed now." CreationDate="2021-06-14T12:00:17.610" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26069" PostId="5072" Score="8" Text="Is it possible that you're asking about watched tags and ignored tags? See: [Pink questions in the list](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3349) and [Vanishing questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3378). There is also some info in the tag-info for [tag-watching](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/tag-watching/info) and [ignored-tags](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/ignored-tags/info)." CreationDate="2021-06-17T04:49:22.017" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26070" PostId="5072" Score="3" Text="If you can provide a screen cap of such a &quot;yellow&quot; question, then we can answer better.  In my case, questions with a tag from my &quot;watched&quot; list are surrounded with yellow." CreationDate="2021-06-17T11:39:22.443" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="26071" PostId="5072" Score="1" Text="Sponsored questions have been introduced after the Prosus acquisition. /s" CreationDate="2021-06-17T20:59:51.353" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="26073" PostId="5072" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e4j4lgvgx5xcj0/Screen%20Shot%202021-06-17%20at%2019.45.25.png?dl=0" CreationDate="2021-06-17T22:48:17.643" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="26077" PostId="5072" Score="2" Text="Similarly as on the main site, it is better to include details in the question rather than just in comments. So I included the screenshot into the question - after adding the screenshot it is clear that this is highlighting for questions with the tags you're watching. You could check you're watched tags in the sidebar on the right or in your preferences, I have previously added also some screenshots here: [How do I follow tags?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/27863#27881)" CreationDate="2021-06-18T05:35:31.990" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26078" PostId="5072" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni no, they will be pinned at the top above other questions, when they are rolled out ;-) (also a big /s)" CreationDate="2021-06-18T06:30:24.617" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26110" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="Yes -- in theory, one can imagine very complicated situations. -- However, what is relevant in practice is which situations one encounters in practice. Can you perhaps link to some more examples?" CreationDate="2021-06-22T07:55:24.063" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26111" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl No, I can't. I think I encountered a couple of others but I don't know how to search them. Still, I believe there must be a rule about such situations written somewhere." CreationDate="2021-06-22T15:59:51.697" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="26112" PostId="5078" Score="3" Text="I'd say -- just act according to common sense. Situations may differ, and one cannot make a fixed rule for every conceivable case. If similar situations happen to occur repeatedly, it may be the right time to think about a rule for those cases." CreationDate="2021-06-22T18:46:56.203" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26129" PostId="5078" Score="1" Text="Luckily honest mathematical disagreements are almost always resolved by back-and-forth discussion. Thus we should only see repeated &quot;error-finding&quot; if someone is behaving unreasonably, in which case moderator intervention may be necessary (as often happens when someone is behaving unreasonably, regardless of the exact rules of the site)." CreationDate="2021-06-28T22:13:28.407" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="26130" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="@WillSawin I believe there are three (maybe more) different issues involved here: abuse of the site, abuse of mathematical reasoning, and abuse of social/personal interactions. While there are more or less reliable means to detect the first two, one has to be much more careful with the third because some users might have poor manners and/or have psychological problems but be perfectly honest and mathematically sound. Whereas &quot;unreasonable behavior&quot; as such, I think, sounds too general to be commonly agreed upon in practice." CreationDate="2021-06-29T05:05:05.260" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="26134" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე It's true that poor manners can be a problem but if the participants are also mathematically sound, it shouldn't lead to cascading answers pointing out mistakes in other answers. In any case the moderators have powers to deal with this, such as editing answers and comments to make the same point but be more polite." CreationDate="2021-06-29T17:28:36.493" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="26117" PostId="5079" Score="7" Text="*... and then backspacing until the &quot;auto-suggest&quot; system selects the correct username*: You don’t need to do that. The autocomplete system is only an aid for you to type the name; it does not perform any magic that would be required for the @ notification to work. Once you copy the name, you are good to go. (In principle, the notification system does not consider text after the first blank space, hence it will only “see” the first word of a multi-word user name if you don’t remove the blanks, but that usually does not matter unless the first word is extremely short.)" CreationDate="2021-06-24T09:03:09.360" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26124" PostId="5079" Score="0" Text="I must be still in the dark ages because I have no idea what you're talking about! I copy (Ctrl+c) the desired name, then in the comment space type '@', then paste (Ctrl+v) the name, then type ':', then spacebar, then begin writing. I do this except for very short names as a way of avoiding typos (and also avoiding having to spend several seconds carefully proofreading the name to make sure there's no typo), and I generally don't pay attention to what the characters in the name are nor have I encountered problems with &quot;strange&quot; characters." CreationDate="2021-06-26T18:02:00.047" UserId="15780" />
  <row Id="26113" PostId="5080" Score="8" Text="Ah, great, so the first link you give has an answer: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/168155 which says that just typing &quot;@&quot; will bring up a list of _all_ non-Latin usernames, allowing you to select one.  That's good enough for me!" CreationDate="2021-06-23T11:32:13.070" UserId="406" />
  <row Id="26116" PostId="5080" Score="4" Text="On the mobile website, autocomplete indeed does not work, hence for names that are not easily typable, one must resort to copy and paste (which can also be difficult). One thing that helps is that it is not necessary to type the whole username after @: any prefix of the name of length at least 3 is enough. (If the prefix matches more than one user, it pings the one who commented most recently; see https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/43020 for details.) Also, the system does not insist on proper diacritics on Latin letters (https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/48968)." CreationDate="2021-06-24T08:46:02.297" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26118" PostId="5080" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek Maybe summarizing the things concerning comment replies on mobile devices in a separate answer would be a reasonable thing to do. (Personally I have never used MO/SE on any mobile device, so I do not want to write about stuff that I do not know.)" CreationDate="2021-06-24T09:37:12.717" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26119" PostId="5080" Score="1" Text="@MatthewDaws, if this is good enough for you, then wouldn't it be appropriate to accept the answer?" CreationDate="2021-06-24T20:41:23.727" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26120" PostId="5080" Score="1" Text="Sorry, somehow this being the meta site, it completely didn't occur to me to need to accept an answer!  Now done..." CreationDate="2021-06-24T20:43:11.730" UserId="406" />
  <row Id="26121" PostId="5082" Score="3" Text="As Gerry Myerson correctly says, your question has been removed / autodeleted by the &quot;Community&quot; user. For autodeletion criteria, see [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/78048/enable-automatic-deletion-of-old-unanswered-zero-score-questions-after-a-year/92006#92006). For now, I have undeleted your question -- but if it doesn't get answers or upvotes, it will soon be autodeleted by the software again." CreationDate="2021-06-26T07:34:28.567" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26123" PostId="5082" Score="3" Text="Maybe you might consider to offer a bounty - even if it does not bring some answers, it might at least bring more views and possibly some upvotes, if MO users consider the question interesting. Thus preventing this particular question from [roomba](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba)." CreationDate="2021-06-26T08:41:15.050" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26122" PostId="5083" Score="1" Text="I will add a link [to the help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba) which contains basics about roomba (auto-deletion). If somebody wants to see more details, some pointers are given [in the corresponding tag-info on Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/auto-delete/info). (One of those links has already been mentioned in Stefan Kohl's comment.)" CreationDate="2021-06-26T07:38:31.950" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26126" PostId="5084" Score="1" Text="That looks like plagiarism. -- Which question do you refer to?" CreationDate="2021-06-27T08:54:33.180" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26127" PostId="5084" Score="2" Text="I won't use such a strong word in this case. My answer was &quot;X follows from Y, a well-known useful hammer&quot;. The own answer went on unpicking Y and extracting what's needed from there. https://mathoverflow.net/questions/385579/confining-a-polytope-to-one-side-of-an-affine-hyperplane" CreationDate="2021-06-27T10:40:44.423" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="26131" PostId="5084" Score="1" Text="It may have been a mistake for the questioner to accept your answer in the first place, but I would forgive that mistake." CreationDate="2021-06-29T11:40:42.773" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26139" PostId="5084" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure the right reaction was to downvote both the question and the newly accepted answer, especially given that I see no comment related to this issue [in the given post](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/385579/)." CreationDate="2021-07-01T14:13:56.880" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26128" PostId="5085" Score="4" Text="If the new answer is mostly the same, but provides improvements or useful additions, it would have been far more appropriate to make those small changes to the original answer." CreationDate="2021-06-27T13:31:13.190" UserId="157443" />
  <row Id="26132" PostId="5085" Score="3" Text="@RayButterworth, surely in a non-CW case it is inappropriate to edit someone else's answer to make changes other than those that correct some unintended error?  As a general matter, if I see an answer and think that it should have more details, my impression is that the community (and the particular answerer) will not welcome my meddling directly in it, and that it is much more welcome for me to write a new answer explicitly crediting the old one.  (At least, that is what I have always done; I hope it is right.)" CreationDate="2021-06-29T12:34:17.000" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26133" PostId="5085" Score="1" Text="@LSpice, agreed. My comment was too strongly stated.  We don't have a real example here, and my impression from the question, especially with the word &quot;perfectionist&quot; is that the new answer was substantially the same, but with better wording and perhaps fuller details." CreationDate="2021-06-29T13:31:24.303" UserId="157443" />
  <row Id="26136" PostId="5087" Score="4" Text="This announcement was posted yesterday on [meta.se]: [Turning off the mobile feed for the Stack Exchange app](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/366936). (It is among the most recent posts [tagged ios-app](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/ios-app).)" CreationDate="2021-06-29T22:48:09.237" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26137" PostId="5087" Score="3" Text="@TheAmplitwist The post you linked contains also this link: [Stack Overflow Mobile app removed from iOS App Store?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/385599#385622)  (Although it is from 2019.) I have seen also this recent post on [meta.se]: [Is the StackExchange app no longer available on the App Store?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/366943)  It was closed as a duplicate of: [How can I report bugs with or request features for the Stack Exchange mobile apps?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/348075)" CreationDate="2021-06-29T23:22:08.560" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26172" PostId="5087" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, it's should still show up in the &quot;purchased&quot; items under your account." CreationDate="2021-07-07T14:11:42.163" UserId="175359" />
  <row Id="27887" PostId="5087" Score="1" Text="A recent announcement on [meta.se]: [Mobile app infrastructure being decommissioned](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/383026)." CreationDate="2022-10-23T06:24:23.240" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26140" PostId="5088" Score="2" Text="I am not sure whether this is intended to be a discussion of a general issue (and the linked question serves merely as an example), or a discussion about this particular case. If it is the later, the tag ([meta-tag:specific-question]) might be suitable here. (And maybe also ([meta-tag:math-stackexchange]) might be a suitable tag.)" CreationDate="2021-07-02T09:25:54.437" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26142" PostId="5088" Score="7" Text="well, this specific question triggered me, but it's not just about MSE, I'm hoping this will not become a new trend in moderation. In particular, there are many well-received questions on MO that could also have been asked on HSM, I would find it quite demotivating if moderators would start migrating them." CreationDate="2021-07-02T09:46:48.020" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26143" PostId="5088" Score="23" Text="My concern with the referred question is that it may give a false impression of what is on-topic on this site, and encourage people who don't know the site to ask similar-level homework questions -- and then complain that these are closed, pointing to that question which got lots of upvotes. (As to number of upvotes -- the question went to the HNQ list and thus got notable exposure to people outside MO.) In contrast, for example questions on the history on mathematics, on teaching mathematics or on aspects of academia relevant to mathematicians are not likely to encourage homework questions." CreationDate="2021-07-02T10:48:47.853" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26145" PostId="5088" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl I think there's an important difference between asking homework questions and asking about an unexpected solution that a student produced for a homework question.  I've also had the experience of asking a homework question and getting a better solution than the one I intended. If MO had existed at the time, I might well have wanted to ask about it there." CreationDate="2021-07-03T17:11:39.177" UserId="6794" />
  <row Id="26150" PostId="5088" Score="2" Text="@CarloBeenakker: What I find surprising (annoying?) is that, according to what you say (I didn't see the original), the question was *well received* on MO. I have seen absolutely diluted and light questions receiving plenty of views and upvotes, and deep, difficult questions disappearing into obscurity (to the chagrin of their authors)." CreationDate="2021-07-04T19:52:02.680" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="26151" PostId="5088" Score="14" Text="Migrating questions on the basis not of whether they are appropriate for this site, but on the basis of whether they are well received, would turn MO into (more?) of a popularity contest.  It has often been observed that high-reputation or well known users can get away with asking questions that wouldn't have been accepted if asked *literatim* by a new user.  This may be unavoidable, but enshrining it as policy would not, I think, be a clear win." CreationDate="2021-07-04T23:40:03.680" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26156" PostId="5088" Score="16" Text="I voted to migrate this because of the simple reason that the question is far from being about &quot;research level mathematics&quot;. In retrospect, there would have been another reason to close this question, namely that the poster did not do any prior research on this (just google &quot;sqrt(3) irrational&quot; and you'll find what you are looking for)." CreationDate="2021-07-05T09:14:24.823" UserId="9652" />
  <row Id="26157" PostId="5088" Score="5" Text="For some context, the poster is a reasonably well-known professional mathematician with papers in top journals and who advised REU projects for many future mathematicians.  I’m not a big fan of sending professional mathematicians to math.SE and would still prefer the MO definition that it’s a site for professional mathematicians rather than “research level.”" CreationDate="2021-07-05T16:04:17.303" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="26159" PostId="5088" Score="12" Text="@NoahSnyder I would rather that posts be judged by their content rather than according to the social status of the author. By your definition, we would have to kick out independent researchers who happen not to be paid for doing mathematics, or even someone like [Aubrey de Grey](https://www.quantamagazine.org/decades-old-graph-problem-yields-to-amateur-mathematician-20180417/)." CreationDate="2021-07-05T20:00:27.837" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26164" PostId="5088" Score="2" Text="@TimothyChow It doesn't follow that including professional researchers means we need to kick out non-professional researchers. A better standard is that MO is open to questions from anyone that a professional mathematician (at the graduate student level and above) would be likely to ask." CreationDate="2021-07-06T01:55:31.257" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="26165" PostId="5088" Score="3" Text="@WillSawin I am fine with your standard because it is based on the content of the question rather than the social status of the questioner. I was reacting to Noah Snyder's comment, which began by noting the social status of the questioner and then affirming a desire to make MO a site for people belong to a particular social group." CreationDate="2021-07-06T03:21:14.107" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26173" PostId="5088" Score="4" Text="In a subtstantial sense, every question that can be asked and answered on MathOverflow can be asked and answered on m.s.e. $\qquad$" CreationDate="2021-07-07T19:53:55.540" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="26176" PostId="5088" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Since you mentioned as one concern that the question was advertised in the HNQ, I will add a reminder that mods [can manually remove a question from then HNQ](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4274/should-moderators-in-some-cases-remove-a-question-from-the-network-wide-hot-ques). (And regular users can simply add MathJax to the title, if suitable.) Of course, this is only tangential here - the discussion is mainly about migration." CreationDate="2021-07-08T05:58:23.107" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26147" PostId="5089" Score="1" Text="Isn't this a dupe of https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1265/using-math-overflow-to-check-whether-or-not-a-proof-is-correct?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1 or/and https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3510/is-there-a-clear-rule-against-check-this-proof-type-questions?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1 ?" CreationDate="2021-07-04T08:54:28.910" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="26148" PostId="5089" Score="0" Text="@MoisheKohan I think that my question has a bit of a different flavor by asking for counter examples to a constructive proof, which IMHO is not quite the same as asking whether a proof is correct in the sense of identifying the reasoning that is flawed" CreationDate="2021-07-04T09:22:30.563" UserId="31310" />
  <row Id="26149" PostId="5089" Score="0" Text="I understand this. I think, your question is a special case of what was asked earlier (and, as far as I can tell, decided that it's in general MO-appropriate, subject to the standard caveats). But this was long ago and the current consensus might be different." CreationDate="2021-07-04T09:28:49.780" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="26155" PostId="5089" Score="3" Text="If you can isolate the specific step you are interested in, then I see little issue with asking if there are issues with the constructivity or otherwise of that step." CreationDate="2021-07-05T09:04:53.207" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26170" PostId="5089" Score="1" Text="I agree with @DavidRoberts, where the bit about isolating a specific step is crucial." CreationDate="2021-07-07T05:18:13.563" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="26158" PostId="5092" Score="8" Text="IMO a necessary condition for migration away should be that a question is not suitable for MO (regardless of whether it might be more suitable elsewhere)." CreationDate="2021-07-05T16:19:23.573" UserId="5263" />
  <row Id="26160" PostId="5092" Score="8" Text="I agree with Julian Rosen's comment, migration is definitely some kind of closure, which supposes that the question is deemed not suitable. And this is the reason I voted for migration in this very case. That is was well-received (by a number of users) was for me a reason to vote for migration rather than bare closure." CreationDate="2021-07-05T20:48:33.713" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26161" PostId="5092" Score="2" Text="@YCor That's interesting; generally speaking, I don't think of migration as a form of closure. Do you also think of migration from MSE to MO as a form of closure? Or is it that MO is &quot;high status&quot; and MSE is &quot;low status,&quot; so that migration from MO to MSE is a form of closure but migration from MSE to MO is not?" CreationDate="2021-07-05T23:47:32.053" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26166" PostId="5092" Score="3" Text="@TimothyChow to vote migration from MO to MSE requires 4 clicks, the first is to click &quot;*Close*&quot;, the second is choose &quot;*A community-specific reason. This question doesn’t meet a MathOverflow guideline.*&quot; I don't think the inverse migration is based on similar steps (I never did it, I just heard that it has to be asked by OP to moderators.)" CreationDate="2021-07-06T07:13:27.347" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26168" PostId="5092" Score="6" Text="@YCor (and Timothy Chow): SE software allows communities to have some predefined destination for migration votes, but does not allow arbitrary migrations by user votes. Way back when the predefined destinations was asked for (of SE) by the moderators based on the presence of a large number of successful migrations initiated by the mods. (Successful meaning that the migrated question is not rejected/closed by the target community.) Currently MO is **not** a predefined migration destination on MSE. So any migration from MSE to MO must be done by moderator." CreationDate="2021-07-06T13:30:00.100" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="26174" PostId="5092" Score="0" Text="I usually edit in links to comments, but in this case perhaps you intentionally did not name the someone who pointed out that Googling would have been a good start.  Would you mind if I edited in a link?  (I can't find the comment by @AndrésE.Caicedo that you mention, so can't link to it; I am referring to the other comment you mention.)" CreationDate="2021-07-07T19:54:51.653" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26175" PostId="5092" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Links added." CreationDate="2021-07-07T20:14:25.160" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26190" PostId="5094" Score="1" Text="I took the liberty of implementing your edit (the Reuleaux triangle spinning inside a square) with a slightly shortened title (149 characters)." CreationDate="2021-07-12T19:58:19.310" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26185" PostId="5095" Score="0" Text="I would find it preferable to keep the second part as the title, and put the first part in the post body." CreationDate="2021-07-12T08:16:00.500" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="26187" PostId="5095" Score="0" Text="@Joel, no objections from me." CreationDate="2021-07-12T09:05:01.627" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26188" PostId="5095" Score="1" Text="I tried a work around, slight edits to the title to bring it back to 150 characters (still keeping both parts)." CreationDate="2021-07-12T11:52:17.540" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26195" PostId="5097" Score="3" Text="From the [message in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/58614891#58614891), it seems that in this case the request to delete might quite likely come from the OP. (They asked about that in chat - moderators can confirm whether the OP indeed flagged the question asking for deletion.)  As a side note, this reminded me of an old quid's post: [Should we try to re-start manual deletions or is the situation fine anyway?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2232)" CreationDate="2021-07-15T07:40:58.837" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26196" PostId="5097" Score="2" Text="If we look at the [2020 stats](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4839/2020-a-year-in-moderation), that post says that there were 354 deletions by the mods and 8027 deletions by the MO users. (The footnote says that these numbers do not include auto-deleted posts.)" CreationDate="2021-07-15T07:44:04.897" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26197" PostId="5097" Score="2" Text="Since you said that &quot;moderators routinely delete spammy or offensive questions&quot; I will just point out that this seems to be a misconception. Deleting spam and rude/abusive posts is one of the things which regular users can (and should) do, they do not actually need involvement of a moderator. More details can be found here: [What should I do when I see a spam post on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4259) (Of course, occasionally a moderator can spot such post before there are enough flags - but we cannot expect the mods to be here 24/7.)" CreationDate="2021-07-15T08:37:49.397" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26206" PostId="5097" Score="3" Text="While I agree that the question is not suitable for MO, it could be suggested to the OP to repost it at one of the History sites on SE." CreationDate="2021-07-16T18:05:52.740" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="26209" PostId="5097" Score="2" Text="In some cases, quick deletion (which moderators can accelerate) has the advantage of avoiding other users posting answers to such (clearly) off-topic question. In this case, deletion occurred too late anyway." CreationDate="2021-07-20T08:05:36.630" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26200" PostId="5098" Score="9" Text="Your question is probably not suitable for MO. But also, I think almost nobody cares about any &quot;gap&quot; in activites. No need to explain anything." CreationDate="2021-07-15T09:52:58.253" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="26201" PostId="5098" Score="8" Text="There's a site, https://academia.stackexchange.com/ – I'm not familiar with it, but maybe have a look at it, see whether it seems suitable." CreationDate="2021-07-15T11:08:25.113" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26204" PostId="5098" Score="11" Text="I do not think that you should explain anything in your scientific CV about depression or more generally any kind of illness. But the most important thing is that you try to *take care* of yourself. I agree that your question is probably not suitable for MO, but maybe it is for academia.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2021-07-15T14:37:38.690" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26208" PostId="5098" Score="0" Text="As other comments mentioned, AcademiaSE is a more suitable place for such questions. By the way, know that you are not alone and [depression is very common amongst graduate students and faculty](https://academia.stackexchange.com/a/28258/48776). And please consider seeking help for suicidal thoughts. Hope you get back on track soon. (The AcademiaSE community is very supportive and hopefully, you'll find some good advice there. Such as [this](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/31855) and [this](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/138747))" CreationDate="2021-07-19T14:07:21.177" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="26211" PostId="5098" Score="0" Text="I'd mention more why and how you like doing math: what area of math? what style of proof? what kinds of calculation? with what role models? By contrast, I'd avoid mentioning the personal situation in any written documents. Anyone wondering may assume it was a Covid interruption; if they ask more in conversation, you can mention hospitalization and a bad family situation, and then get back to the math." CreationDate="2021-07-24T13:13:52.193" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26212" PostId="5102" Score="7" Text="I have also mentioned this at the &quot;non-math achievements by mathematicians&quot; thread." CreationDate="2021-07-25T13:20:41.463" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26213" PostId="5102" Score="4" Text="deeply impressive; here is a (translated) commentary by our [national news paper:](https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2021/07/25/een-kapitale-vergissing-verbreekt-de-olympische-wielerdroom-a4052284)  _The Dutch women grossly underestimated Anna Kiesenhofer from the hamlet of Kreusztetten. She should never have been given eleven minutes in the game of her life. Asked for tips for young riders, the brand new champion inadvertently sent a message to the Dutch team: &quot;Don't trust anyone blindly.&quot; That's how she had come here._" CreationDate="2021-07-25T13:55:32.757" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26214" PostId="5102" Score="2" Text="Wow!! Thanks for that answer!" CreationDate="2021-07-25T14:02:50.473" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="26221" PostId="5104" Score="1" Text="When I look [at the FAQ](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/203/frequently-asked-questions-mathoverflow-faq/205#205) this post is linked there: [What should be the policy on “open problems” on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/360) Interestingly, the FAQ post has score -1." CreationDate="2021-08-01T04:25:07.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26222" PostId="5104" Score="0" Text="Looking at the Wayback Machine, it seems that the help center looked differently [in June](https://web.archive.org/web/20210606050504/https://mathoverflow.net/help), but the text was already added at the [beginning of July](https://web.archive.org/web/20210701222358/https://mathoverflow.net/help). It seems that some older version of the FAQ was put there - for example, this problem is still there: [Update outdated links in the list of suggested alternative sites](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4053)." CreationDate="2021-08-01T04:29:56.390" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26223" PostId="5104" Score="1" Text="Just a suggestion - maybe you could also add ([meta-tag:discussion]) tag. In that way, the  question would become eligible for the [community bulletin](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-bulletin/info) and it would be more likely to get noticed. (Although in this case it is most important that it gets noticed by the mods - and they get notification about every new meta question in their moderator inbox anyway.)" CreationDate="2021-08-01T07:05:26.630" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26224" PostId="5104" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Done; I thought that this was more a quick-to-fix problem than one needing discussion, but you have more experience than I do." CreationDate="2021-08-01T07:07:00.500" UserId="44191" />
  <row Id="26426" PostId="5104" Score="0" Text="I wasn't sure whether this was done by someone from the Stack Exchange staff or by a MO moderator. But eventually I managed to find the revision history: https://mathoverflow.net/posts/394744/revisions" CreationDate="2021-09-28T00:27:47.617" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26429" PostId="5104" Score="0" Text="Now the text was edited (and substantially shortened) by another moderator: https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/edits-of-the-help-center-by-the-mo-moderators" CreationDate="2021-09-28T13:56:59.477" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26226" PostId="5106" Score="3" Text="This is no software bug. -- I migrated the question (instead of merely closing it) because I thought Science Fiction &amp; Fantasy may be a good place for it. Obviously, I was wrong." CreationDate="2021-08-01T14:21:23.540" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26228" PostId="5106" Score="3" Text="I suppose that the question you mean is this one: [Minimum number of rounds?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/400764) The [revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/400764/revisions) and the [timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/400764/timeline) show the rejected migration." CreationDate="2021-08-02T05:00:00.713" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26230" PostId="5106" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes, that is the question.  Thanks.  At the time I wrote this question, it was migated to Science Fiction &amp; Fantasy, and I could not find a link to it on MO." CreationDate="2021-08-03T01:57:06.990" UserId="2233" />
  <row Id="26238" PostId="5114" Score="4" Text="It's not research-level in the sense that a bit of research should reveal that people have studied this variation before." CreationDate="2021-08-06T08:22:30.433" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26239" PostId="5114" Score="4" Text="@GerryMyerson Yes, that was explained in a comment by François G. Dorais. I was not aware of that, I think it is not easy to find it, and I think that having an answer with that information would be very useful." CreationDate="2021-08-06T08:36:55.483" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="26245" PostId="5114" Score="2" Text="The linked post is hopelessly written: it's not a question and shows no effort of giving context or making the problem explicit to people not familiar with it. If you think there's an interesting question in this topic, I'd suggest you to post one." CreationDate="2021-08-07T17:50:00.147" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26249" PostId="5116" Score="38" Text="Regardless of the general problem, I find the discussion of this particular question rather ... curious. The OP has published more than 30 articles in this 10-year period. It would not surprise me at all if he simply forgot about this one specific integral he could compute 10 years ago. I certainly have forgotten lemmas I could once prove, and once or twiced even asked other people for a proof (and I don't have 10 years of publication history)." CreationDate="2021-08-10T20:48:34.623" UserId="95776" />
  <row Id="26250" PostId="5116" Score="17" Text="@MaoWao I don't know why, but one of the major issues with this particular question is being completely ignored. That question is not the only one where the &quot;question poster&quot; asked a question for which he knew the answer. For example this question https://mathoverflow.net/questions/272381/a-curious-sin-integral was a rip off from a problem from the same year's issue of American Mathematical Monthly. I can continue such examples, and in fact I did, but my post was removed by mods." CreationDate="2021-08-10T21:05:49.873" UserId="82588" />
  <row Id="26251" PostId="5116" Score="1" Text="The original poster can always edit the original post with comments on where and why they encountered these integrals. The current content of that post is consistent with the suggestions in the meta-question here, so something on why these integrals are or were of interest would be welcome." CreationDate="2021-08-11T07:19:08.443" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26252" PostId="5116" Score="19" Text="At any rate, I would not condemn people without hearing their voice. We are not a tribunal, after all. Pointing out that the proof of the identity was already contained in one of OP's papers is ok, assuming that there is a deliberate &quot;reputation farming&quot; seems to me unappropriate." CreationDate="2021-08-11T11:03:38.510" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26253" PostId="5116" Score="33" Text="I'm not sure if this is an actual MO policy, but &quot;assume good faith&quot; or at a very minimum &quot;do not presume bad faith&quot; is to me a very important guiding principle (in academics and life)." CreationDate="2021-08-11T12:59:41.653" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26254" PostId="5116" Score="5" Text="@Nemo, how do you know that the user knew that problem was in the Monthly?" CreationDate="2021-08-11T13:19:40.523" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26255" PostId="5116" Score="9" Text="This is a quarrel in which I have no axe to grind either way.  But I think that it is important to point out that there were certain  preliminary goings on (which I read but unfortunately didn`t screenshot)  which were deleted (presumably by moderators) which shed a completely different light on this topic.  They (and preceding comments) are gone.  I really think that that  moderators should restore them (and yes, asaf karagila and todd trimble I am thinking of you) since they contained  relevant information.  Then the audience here can get a more balanced picture of what is going on." CreationDate="2021-08-11T15:27:28.637" UserId="317800" />
  <row Id="26256" PostId="5116" Score="19" Text="Sorry, but I do not think that making a public trial here or on the Main Site could be useful or constructive at all. We are not on Twitter, please let us leave online shaming out of here. I am sure that the moderators have all the elements to judge the OP's case, and they will contact them privately if necessary." CreationDate="2021-08-11T15:35:54.723" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26257" PostId="5116" Score="2" Text="I should emphasise that these deletions were to the MO postings that set off this discussion, not to the meta thread." CreationDate="2021-08-11T15:36:08.890" UserId="317800" />
  <row Id="26258" PostId="5116" Score="6" Text="@GerryMyerson I knew he tracks problem sections of AMM. It's pretty straightforward to assume he got it there. The date of the problem is Feb, the post is from June of the same year. He says &quot;While contending with a certain Fourier series, I stumbled on an incredibly simple evaluation (numerically) of a slightly complicated-looking sin-integral&quot;. There is no need in numerical evaluation, the integral has an anti-derivative, as I pointed out there. This throws his explanation in doubt. The evidence is circumstantial, I agree, there is no hard proof. But as the saying goes, &quot;once a cheater, ...&quot;" CreationDate="2021-08-11T15:45:38.107" UserId="82588" />
  <row Id="26259" PostId="5116" Score="6" Text="@memorial maybe it seamed like a quarrell, but there wasn't any. I let him know that I suspected him all along, and gave him ample opportunities to stop. But he kept doing it nevertheless. I flagged his posts to draw mods' attention to them. But all my flags were ignored. So I found hard proof and posted it. One of the tags in his question was &quot;reference request&quot;. So I supplied the reference to him. And who to blame, if that reference turned out to be his own paper???" CreationDate="2021-08-11T16:07:22.230" UserId="82588" />
  <row Id="26260" PostId="5116" Score="14" Text="@Nemo you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about the inner workings of someone else's thought processes or ways of doing mathematics. While I have found some of TA's posting habits or questions a bit odd over the years, I think that you should not make such strong accusations based merely on extrapolation and divination." CreationDate="2021-08-11T16:45:35.057" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="26262" PostId="5116" Score="10" Text="@YemonChoi There is a difference between two cases 1) when a motivation for a question is real, follows from actual work, and 2) when the reason is fantasized, that is a person makes up a story to make it believable. I can see the difference, at least in the area of mathematics where I have some degree of expertise. If you have seen my deleted post on meta, I did not comment on combinatorics and number theory posts. Because I have very little knowledge in these areas." CreationDate="2021-08-11T17:13:19.037" UserId="82588" />
  <row Id="26270" PostId="5116" Score="12" Text="I guess it is hard for MO community to accept that they have been fooled. Thus, instead of accepting this, they hide behind such words as &quot;do not presume bad faith&quot;. I see where this is going... I'm going to be banned instead of the real culprit." CreationDate="2021-08-11T20:11:20.787" UserId="82588" />
  <row Id="26272" PostId="5116" Score="20" Text="@Nemo, using words like *culprit* and *cheater* to describe another user might well get you banned. Please, stick to the facts, and leave the characterizations to each of us to consider on our own." CreationDate="2021-08-11T23:42:42.770" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26273" PostId="5116" Score="3" Text="@Nemo There are lots of deletions and moderator actions against users who have been shown to act in bad faith; you will probably not have seen most of these as deleted posts can only be seen with 20k rep. I agree with Gerry's comment; the narrative you have constructed is not the only interpretation, and one should not always presume malice rather than clumsiness or bad etiquette" CreationDate="2021-08-11T23:45:11.180" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="26275" PostId="5116" Score="13" Text="@Nemo If the moderators do determine that TA has breached the etiquette of the site, then they may take action. But flinging public accusations around is not the way to help your cause." CreationDate="2021-08-11T23:58:57.523" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="26285" PostId="5116" Score="3" Text="My understanding from the discussion is that there is some missing information to make a judgement about this case, after some deletions of comments by moderators. It seems to make this discussion a bit pointless. Maybe it would be appropriate for moderators to either (1) resume the deleted comments mentioned in memorial's comment yesterday, or (2) delete the discussion (this post and the comments in the OP's question), and add a short comment to the main post to indicate that something is going on [to explain the unexpected vote balance] and say that moderators are handling the case." CreationDate="2021-08-13T11:12:08.210" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26286" PostId="5116" Score="11" Text="While this is indeed a curiously odd case, but AFAIK the person of interest is a well known and respected mathematician. I would be cautious to throw outrageous accusations like cheating or rep-farming. It's also heartwarming to see that the majority of the community -at least under this discussion- do not side with this behavior. God forbid if it was twitter..." CreationDate="2021-08-13T11:13:14.343" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="26288" PostId="5116" Score="4" Text="@Nemo please don't take it personal. As I said, I agree that this is indeed an odd case which deserves moderators' attention. What I don't agree with is, jumping into conclusion. Believe me, there is no rush. If there is a foul-play, justice will be served in time (hopefully). And this has nothing to do with being a nobody or whatever. Actually, I am a nobody in this forum who is just an observing bystander. You definitely have more experience than me." CreationDate="2021-08-13T12:04:02.617" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="26290" PostId="5116" Score="5" Text="Late to the game but let me add my two cents: numerous times I have googled something and have my own papers served up as the top hits... it's not unlikely that one simply forgets something that was in their papers, especially if they wrote out a proof in a text or something that was only auxiliary to the paper" CreationDate="2021-08-13T12:29:13.627" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="26292" PostId="5116" Score="8" Text="I really do not like the words &quot;culprit&quot;, &quot;accused&quot; and so on here on MO. I  think we should try to stop using them. That said, I stand by Blackstone's ratio: &quot;It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.&quot; So, I agree with polfosol that there is no rush and that we should wait for moderators' action." CreationDate="2021-08-13T12:38:55.613" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26293" PostId="5116" Score="9" Text="@Nemo Saying that your behaviour is breaching the etiquette of MO is not saying you are a &quot;scapegoat&quot; for someone else, it is saying that your behaviour is breaching the etiquette of MO." CreationDate="2021-08-13T12:46:35.450" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="26295" PostId="5116" Score="5" Text="The accuse of rep-farming is not only based on &quot;not assuming good faith&quot;, but imho, even illogical. From the point of view of rep, a question of the form &quot;This is a computation I made in this paper of mine, and now I wish to find other proofs/insight/connections/generalizations (...)&quot;, would work as well, or better." CreationDate="2021-08-14T17:06:58.350" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="26298" PostId="5116" Score="3" Text="I can only explain not quoting oneself's relevant result in a question, either (A) because one has really forgotten it, or (B) because one remembers it, but does not consider it relevant for the answerers (e.g. not to influence their approach): in both cases, a sign of a modest attitude (which is a commendable quality in a researcher)." CreationDate="2021-08-14T17:16:02.170" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="26299" PostId="5116" Score="1" Text="The only minor defect one is allowed to charge to this question is: it does not follow  the guideline's tips (&quot;do a research first&quot; in case (A) or &quot;give as much information as you can&quot; in case (B) ). I'm sorry that the question received 8 downvotes." CreationDate="2021-08-14T17:16:27.193" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="26301" PostId="5116" Score="3" Text="Is it possible that they just forgot?  10 years is a long time.  It seems to be the fashion at the moment to aggressively criticise people for perceived moral transgression and assume the worst.  In reality, the person may have simply forgotten that they answered the question and ended up asking it again.  Actually, I would wager that someone who has been around for a long time in mathematics or another branch of science has probably done this many times by accident." CreationDate="2021-08-14T18:49:37.353" UserId="119114" />
  <row Id="26303" PostId="5116" Score="14" Text="In my opinion the silence of the moderators on the matter is striking. Several people here are saying not to make accusations in public and let the moderators deal with it discreetly. But Nemo has already written that he did contact the moderators privately first and was ignored. And after the accusation was made public the moderators have had multiple days to make any kind of response - even just &quot;Thanks, we're looking into it and we'll take it from here&quot;. But their only visible reaction has been to delete evidence that this was part of a systematic pattern." CreationDate="2021-08-14T22:40:08.110" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="26304" PostId="5116" Score="17" Text="So I can understand why Nemo would not be satisfied to just let the moderators deal with it, and I think part of the responsibility is on them that this ended up being an ugly public affair." CreationDate="2021-08-14T22:40:30.903" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="26305" PostId="5116" Score="5" Text="@DanPetersen To be clear, there has been some moderator attention - one of the reasons I made the original post here is that Todd Trimble commented on the original post after Nemo, suggesting a meta post. However, that comment now being deleted does contribute to your wider point." CreationDate="2021-08-14T22:47:07.120" UserId="44191" />
  <row Id="26306" PostId="5116" Score="12" Text="@DanPetersen I know what you mean and don't necessarily disagree, but my guess is that the moderators really are trying to resolve this delicate situation behind the scenes. E.g. presumably they've contacted TA privately, and I see that https://mathoverflow.net/questions/272381/a-curious-sin-integral has now been deleted by &quot;community&quot; (i.e. moderators?). It's true that a &quot;we're on it&quot; message would do no harm. But I can't help thinking that the mods are *volunteers* with who knows what else going on in their lives, and especially at this time of year, resolving this could take a little while." CreationDate="2021-08-15T13:32:55.563" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="26307" PostId="5116" Score="4" Text="@DanPetersen I echo Tom's comment, and would also suggest that &quot;deleting evidence&quot; is a potentially misleading description. Some comments &quot;on main&quot; by Nemo (either as comments on questions/answers or in the middle of posts) appear to have been removed, but from my memory the deletions were not of hard evidence that Nemo has provided (e.g. linking to the literature) but were deleting phrases like &quot;this guy is a fraud&quot; (my paraphrase)" CreationDate="2021-08-15T15:26:59.373" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="26308" PostId="5116" Score="5" Text="@DanPetersen You can also see the deleted meta post by Nemo https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5115/unscrupulous-reputation-farming to decide if this was appropriate content for meta.MO. Personally I think Nemo's cause would have been better served by sending the content of that post as an email to the moderators, but I do not have particularly strong feelings in that direction. FWIW I had always ascribed some of TA's odd choice of questions to the unconscious influence of his supervisor (and Shalosh B Ekhad)" CreationDate="2021-08-15T15:31:06.727" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="26311" PostId="5116" Score="2" Text="@TomLeinster You may well be right on the general point, but if the post would have been deleted by a moderator, it would say it was deleted by a moderator (including their name). Deleted by “Community” means that it was automatically deleted after accumulating enough spam and/or offensive flags cast by *ordinary users*." CreationDate="2021-08-15T19:14:23.293" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26313" PostId="5116" Score="0" Text="@Nemo All flags are called “moderator flags”. They are raised by ordinary users, and some are handled by moderators, some are handled automatically. The formulation in Stefan Kohl’s answer is unclear." CreationDate="2021-08-16T08:01:51.050" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26314" PostId="5116" Score="1" Text="@Nemo See https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/58032 for how “spam” and “rude or abusive” (formerly “offensive”, which is how the post notice still calls them) flags work." CreationDate="2021-08-16T08:13:52.923" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26315" PostId="5116" Score="0" Text="(Sorry for the increasingly off-topic comments. I’ll stop here.) Here is an example how it looks when a post is deleted as spam or rude or abusive by a moderator, rather than by the automated process: https://mathoverflow.net/a/180693 . The post notice duly says “deleted 6 years ago by &lt;name of the moderator&gt;”, rather than “by Community”." CreationDate="2021-08-16T09:25:06.457" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26316" PostId="5116" Score="9" Text="Sorry, one more comment. I don’t know how the moderators feel about it, but to me, this looks like misuse of flags. There is nothing rude or abusive (or offensive) about the two questions. I suspect that whoever flagged it misinterpreted the meaning of the flag: it is intended to be used for posts abusive *towards a person* (which is why it links to CoC), not for purported abuse of the *system* (such as what TA is being accused of in this meta thread). I believe the latter cases should be flagged for moderator attention instead (with a custom flag text)." CreationDate="2021-08-16T10:45:00.603" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26326" PostId="5116" Score="3" Text="@EmilJeřábek Thanks for setting me straight. As you guessed, I was misled by the &quot;moderator flag&quot; terminology." CreationDate="2021-08-18T11:11:27.290" UserId="586" />
  <row Id="26274" PostId="5117" Score="16" Text="There's a mathoverflow newsletter?" CreationDate="2021-08-11T23:47:31.323" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26278" PostId="5117" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson You can find some basic info [in the corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/newsletter/info)." CreationDate="2021-08-12T00:53:43.213" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26280" PostId="5117" Score="0" Text="@Martin, one of the links at that page returned a 404. &#xA; https://stackexchange.com/newsletters/newsletter?site=mathoverflow.net" CreationDate="2021-08-12T02:01:23.793" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26282" PostId="5117" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson I have noticed that - and that's the reason why I suggested an edit to change it [to this link](https://mathoverflow.net/digest/preview). The edit is currently [waiting for review](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/review/suggested-edits/1652). (Although on MathOverflow Meta, approval of a suggested edit [can take quite a long time](https://data.stackexchange.com/meta.mathoverflow/query/942650/longest-time-between-edit-suggestion-and-approval-only-tag-info?num=100).)" CreationDate="2021-08-12T05:13:28.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26284" PostId="5117" Score="0" Text="I can confirm that I received the email with the newsletter this week. (Mine comes on Thursdays.) At one point I had problems with e-mail from SE - but only with the inbox notifications, not the newsletter. It happened shortly after one of them was not delivered (because of Gmail outage). What helped back then was to change (temporarily) the e-mail address in my profile. More about this can be found in this post and the comments there: [Did the emails with notifications about inbox messages stop?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/357939)" CreationDate="2021-08-12T18:05:15.800" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26261" PostId="5118" Score="0" Text="I still see that information, just like before -- but maybe this is mod-specific(?) -- Could you perhaps provide a screenshot? In any case, I think if that information is really not generally available any more, this would be a loss." CreationDate="2021-08-11T17:12:19.537" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26264" PostId="5118" Score="1" Text="It's also gone on the mod side for me." CreationDate="2021-08-11T17:41:25.533" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="26265" PostId="5118" Score="9" Text="This is related to recent (controversial) changes in the whole SE network, see https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/368285/some-changes-to-the-profile-while-we-make-it-responsive?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1" CreationDate="2021-08-11T18:16:08.533" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26266" PostId="5118" Score="0" Text="Well -- that information is available under the 'Profile' tab (and not under the 'Activity' tab which is shown in the screenshot) -- but wasn't this always so?" CreationDate="2021-08-11T18:19:50.870" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26267" PostId="5118" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl: Not for me, see the updated screenshot please." CreationDate="2021-08-11T18:43:22.797" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="26269" PostId="5118" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais I still see that information. -- E.g. you are now shown on the main site as &quot;Last seen 25 mins ago&quot; / &quot;2021-08-11 19:16:37Z&quot; (with mouse over). -- Maybe the change is rolled out over some time, and different users see it not simultaneously(?)" CreationDate="2021-08-11T19:42:58.513" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26271" PostId="5118" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Maybe. I don't see exactly what you see but I don't know why." CreationDate="2021-08-11T20:48:13.483" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="26276" PostId="5118" Score="11" Text="@StefanKohl As a moderator, you still have access to the &quot;Last seen&quot; value for all users. However, it's not available to anybody else. The [question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/368285/562482)  Francesco linked to states in $2.$ that &quot;... some stats behind are only viewable by you or a moderator.&quot; My [answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/368289/562482) to that question asks why &quot;Last seen&quot; was removed, plus what, if anything, are the future plans for it. Also, the specific use of that feature I stated in my answer is the same as what Christian mentions in the question here." CreationDate="2021-08-12T00:18:48.457" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="26277" PostId="5118" Score="3" Text="I see the &quot;last seen&quot; information on the Physics Stack Exchange site where I'm a mod, but not on other sites." CreationDate="2021-08-12T00:19:10.990" UserId="170778" />
  <row Id="26279" PostId="5118" Score="5" Text="A related post on [math.meta.se]: [Why has the number of profile views been removed from MSE?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/33982)" CreationDate="2021-08-12T00:59:14.203" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26281" PostId="5118" Score="5" Text="And it was spawned by **[this terrible UI change](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/368285), which as of now has score −281**." CreationDate="2021-08-12T03:54:47.960" UserId="50073" />
  <row Id="26509" PostId="5118" Score="0" Text="I think that this information is still being collected and displayed on &quot;Network Profile&quot; pages.  (This information is visible when I visit a Network Profile page logged out and in incognito mode, so cannot depend on any special privileges.)  In particular, the &quot;last-seen&quot; information there is (at least) day-granular, not the week-granular that was supposedly restored yesterday as per https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/368285/some-changes-to-the-profile-while-we-make-it-responsive/368328#comment1241156_368328.  I am not sure what to make of this." CreationDate="2021-11-05T01:38:42.730" UserId="8345" />
  <row Id="26510" PostId="5118" Score="0" Text="@dvitek: Yes, it appears some variant of it is back, but for me it's week-wise, so if you visited 3 min ago, it will say &quot;last seen this week&quot;." CreationDate="2021-11-05T15:45:07.017" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="26268" PostId="5119" Score="5" Text="I'm not sure that's quite possible, since it also depends on the local render settings of the reader (e.g. font, zoom, etc.)" CreationDate="2021-08-11T19:03:12.830" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26283" PostId="5119" Score="3" Text="Since you have mentioned slider (scrollbar), my personal experience is that it only appears directly after submitting an edit (and maybe after posting) - and it disappears after a refresh. (Also the point made by Asaf seems rather relevant here. I have seen many users on MO for whom using MO on mobile devices seems important.)" CreationDate="2021-08-12T08:58:52.527" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26289" PostId="5119" Score="2" Text="I agree with the other comments.  Making something look good for me will not necessarily make it look good for other users.  A hint for this situation: constructions that force staying on the same line should rarely be used.." CreationDate="2021-08-13T12:19:12.513" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="26384" PostId="5120" Score="1" Text="It might be worth recording now that the user in question appears to have been suspended: https://mathoverflow.net/users/66131/t-amdeberhan." CreationDate="2021-09-08T12:48:24.143" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26385" PostId="5120" Score="2" Text="No, he is not suspended. Moreover, his two posts that had been deleted by community are now restored: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/272381/a-curious-sin-integral https://mathoverflow.net/questions/271078/identity-with-pochhammer-and-harmonic-numbers" CreationDate="2021-09-09T16:21:07.620" UserId="82588" />
  <row Id="26386" PostId="5120" Score="2" Text="@Nemo: that is strange; certainly when I checked yesterday it said he was suspended (for one year, I believe)." CreationDate="2021-09-09T16:43:05.783" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26420" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="Has there been any update, or any conclusions reached by the investigation?" CreationDate="2021-09-25T15:03:16.590" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="26422" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="Stefan Kohl, is there even any point in reporting any further violations? It seems like any violation can be dismissed by saying &quot;Sorry, I forgot.&quot; or &quot;I was careless. I'm sorry, this won't happen again.&quot; Your answer seems to be giving a green light for further violations of this kind." CreationDate="2021-09-25T17:48:31.220" UserId="82588" />
  <row Id="26423" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="@Negan Yes, it is always advised to report further violations if there are any. -- Every case will be carefully investigated. This however is no promise that the result of the investigation will always be what the person reporting the violation is aiming for. For example, sometimes rule violations may seem more severe on a first glance than they turn out to be in the end." CreationDate="2021-09-25T19:00:02.577" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26424" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Thank you for the update!" CreationDate="2021-09-25T20:11:04.707" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="26318" PostId="5121" Score="9" Text="Rather than how difficult a question is, a criterion for a question to be on-topic on MathOverflow is whether it is interesting for mathematicians. On the one hand, very many questions graduate students may ask *are* interesting for mathematicians, and on-topic on MO -- but on the other, it is possible to ask arbitrarily difficult questions which are *not* interesting for mathematicians. -- &quot;Difficult = interesting&quot; is a common misunderstanding." CreationDate="2021-08-16T17:14:14.563" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26319" PostId="5121" Score="7" Text="It is probably reasonable to ask why a question was deleted, though more likely to be useful to ask how you can improve future questions to avoid deletion; but the editorialising at the end of your post is not likely to contribute to a useful discussion." CreationDate="2021-08-16T21:42:22.247" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26321" PostId="5121" Score="5" Text="&quot;asked one at a time to select a problem that has not already been taken&quot;. What exactly does that mean? The success or failure depends on the strategies the team members use in their choices in general. Also, there is no information on how the subsets of problems the members of different teams solved are related to each other and that influences the outcome too. The problem is not well-posed as you wrote it in the sense that the probability space is not unambiguously defined by the provided information. No wonder there was no solution offered." CreationDate="2021-08-17T03:39:24.123" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="26322" PostId="5121" Score="0" Text="It is not even clear to me from what you wrote whether the two chosen team members have to present just one problem each or they should go all the way until all $n$ problems are discussed taking turns, but that may be due to my poor understanding of English grammar..." CreationDate="2021-08-17T03:43:56.723" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="26324" PostId="5121" Score="1" Text="A problem such as this may be on-topic in math.se ... However you would have to add your own attempted solution to avoid being closed there.  You may ( instead of solutions)  get hints, like &quot;Can to you do the cases $n=1, n=2, n=3$?&quot;" CreationDate="2021-08-17T11:39:27.973" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="26325" PostId="5121" Score="5" Text="I was one of the people who voted to close it; I also commented that it was not research-level, and so can offer my reasoning. As fedja has said, the question was ambiguous, and therefore difficult to answer; I think that once the ambiguity is resolved (so that the process in the question happens algorithmically), the probabilities can be calculated for each $n$ by simply applying the process. As such, I did not (and do not) see there being much chance of the question being interesting on the level of research." CreationDate="2021-08-17T12:58:00.230" UserId="44191" />
  <row Id="26327" PostId="5123" Score="0" Text="The second &quot;the first&quot; should be &quot;the second&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-08-20T21:59:29.740" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26328" PostId="5123" Score="4" Text="@GerryMyerson Yeah. I'm trying to come up with an ironic explanation to justify that but I've got nothing." CreationDate="2021-08-20T22:41:50.067" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="26332" PostId="5124" Score="0" Text="You should add a suggested solution, e.g. a regex describing a good replacement strategy." CreationDate="2021-08-25T09:16:58.033" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26333" PostId="5124" Score="4" Text="I will add that there are [248 comments with such links](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/556789/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author?Word=front.math.ucdavis.edu). (If Stack Exchange would be willing to use some automated proces to change such links, they can probably do so also in comments, not only in posts.)" CreationDate="2021-08-25T09:22:16.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26334" PostId="5124" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila: I’ve added a regex suggestion which I think should get a large proportion of the broken links, and hopefully no false positives, although of course I haven’t been able to test/debug it on the full input set." CreationDate="2021-08-25T09:43:31.873" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="26335" PostId="5124" Score="3" Text="Thanks! With the status-review, I hope we'll attract the attention of some StackOverlords soon. I'll see if I can speed it up as well." CreationDate="2021-08-25T09:51:31.893" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26336" PostId="5124" Score="0" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine Are you sure that [this revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/132018/revisions) is an example you want? This seems to be link to a search rather than a link to and article in the &quot;old format&quot;. I left a few more comment [in MO editors' lounge](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/links-to-arxiv-frontend)." CreationDate="2021-08-25T10:07:23.760" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26337" PostId="5124" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: The edit diff in that link shows three different kinds of example: one search link, which I don’t think we could hope to fix by regex; two of the post-April-2007 links that my suggested regex should fix; and two of the pre-April-2007 links that might or might not be regex-able." CreationDate="2021-08-25T10:32:39.517" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="26338" PostId="5124" Score="0" Text="My mistake. I thought that by &quot;pre-2007&quot; you mean links of the form similar to `https://front.math.ucdavis.edu/math.LO/9909115`." CreationDate="2021-08-25T10:36:41.617" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26339" PostId="5124" Score="0" Text="Looking at only the posts (not comments) I count about 900 links. Of them, more than 250 start with 00-06. And about 60 start with 92-99. So I guess that there are at least 300 links where it's unclear how to transform them. @AsafKaragila Wouldn't it be better to contact SE staff only after we know how the URLs can be transformed? Or is the intention to find out whether this is possible *in principle* and to deal with the problematic parts later?" CreationDate="2021-08-25T11:22:09.053" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26340" PostId="5124" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: Right — the confusing thing is that for pre-2007 papers, the frontend seems to provide url’s in at least two different forms, some like the example you give, some like the ones in the edit history I linked.  For the ones in the edit history, the correspondence with arXiv’s url/identifier is totally unclear to me.  For examples like your form, the conversion is clearer — the identifier `math.LO` agrees with the arXiv, so we just need to change the url prefix — but it would take a little thought to write a regex that’ll recognise url’s of that form without false positives." CreationDate="2021-08-25T11:23:04.410" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="26341" PostId="5124" Score="2" Text="@Martin: The [status-review] puts the thing on their todo list, which is probably long enough that it will take a while. We absolutely should figure out the algorithm for replacing until then, though." CreationDate="2021-08-25T11:30:50.067" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26342" PostId="5124" Score="3" Text="Maybe for some of them it is [removing .5 and adding /math](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243?m=58980247#58980247) and [replacing .47 by 0 and adding /math-ph](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/58980879#58980879)? (But I only tested it on a few URLs.)" CreationDate="2021-08-25T12:20:44.850" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26343" PostId="5124" Score="1" Text="Shouldn’t the regex for post-2007 include numbers starting with 2 as well?" CreationDate="2021-08-25T12:22:37.503" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26344" PostId="5124" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek: Thanks, fixed!  @ Martin: yes, from a few examples it looks like the system works something like that.  But at least for my part, I wouldn’t feel confident proposing a regex for a half-guessed system without being able to test the regex out a bit.  If you feel confident enough to add a regex to handle these then that’d be great!" CreationDate="2021-08-25T13:59:02.897" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="26390" PostId="5124" Score="1" Text="Does somebody know whether [lanl.arxiv.org](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3a%22%2Alanl.arxiv.org%2A%22) is down only temporarily or whether all links to that domain should be considered dead, too? (This is not directly related to the front.math.ucdavis.edu, but it seems like a similar problem, so I thought that it might be worth mentioning.)" CreationDate="2021-09-11T08:03:56.670" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26417" PostId="5124" Score="1" Text="Just to note, Martin and I found yet another oddity. The arXiv front identifier &quot;9612.5114&quot; which I thought should be &quot;math/9612114&quot;, really points to &quot;dg-ga/9612014&quot;. So maybe `***.51** = dg-ga`?" CreationDate="2021-09-23T03:27:11.157" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26464" PostId="5124" Score="1" Text="Another weird data point. I think the link http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/9712.5188 should point to  https://arxiv.org/abs/q-alg/9712048" CreationDate="2021-10-05T03:03:40.763" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26844" PostId="5124" Score="3" Text="Aha, I found the old FAQ posting where the Front explained the numbering technicalities https://web.archive.org/web/20060901072412/http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/ifaq#2.4: &quot;Until March 2000, the Front renumbered articles in the old mathematical archives alg-geom, funct-an, dg-ga, and q-alg as math archive articles. To avoid duplicate numbers, the system added 50 to each funct-an number, 100 for dg-ga, and 140 for q-alg. Since this system was never adopted at the arXiv, it has for now been scrapped...." CreationDate="2022-01-20T02:54:03.970" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26845" PostId="5124" Score="1" Text="....  If you use cite or link to any math articles math.XX/yymmnnn, where the year yy is 97 or prior and the number nnn is less than 200, you should convert back to the original numbers as stamped on the articles themselves.&quot;" CreationDate="2022-01-20T02:54:17.683" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27156" PostId="5124" Score="2" Text="@Asaf can we get the [status-review] back on this? We are probably in a position to have an automated solution applied. See [my answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5290/4177) for more details" CreationDate="2022-03-30T11:37:36.463" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27175" PostId="5124" Score="4" Text="Sorry for the noisy edits - the system (for an unknown reason) did not send this to our board for review when the status-review tag was added so I'm trying to force it to re-run." CreationDate="2022-04-06T13:54:44.207" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="27415" PostId="5124" Score="2" Text="@Slate Just to clarify - this change will be on MathOverflow only, right? AFAICT, nobody checked whether some of the posts on other sites contain the links before April 2007 - where simple replacement doesn't work. Moreover, number of posts on other sites seems to be small. (From search I got [277 results networkwide](https://stackexchange.com/search?q=url%3a%22*front.math.ucdavis.edu*%22&amp;pagesize=50) and [262 results on MO](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3a%22*front.math.ucdavis.edu*%22).)" CreationDate="2022-06-19T11:51:58.253" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27423" PostId="5124" Score="3" Text="@MartinSleziak I've clarified in the request that it should only be run on Math Overflow." CreationDate="2022-06-21T16:15:02.030" UserId="322028" />
  <row Id="26345" PostId="5126" Score="1" Text="Looking at [Glorfindel's report](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/369013/review-queue-workflows-final-release/369017#369017) and a [developer's comment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/369013/review-queue-workflows-final-release/369017#comment1231489_369017) it seems that close button should be added. But at least there is (directly in the review) the flag button - which can be used to close directly from the review. Did you try whether this completes the review? (We'll probably have to wait for some suitable review tasks to test this.)" CreationDate="2021-08-27T13:44:50.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26346" PostId="5126" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I have tried it several times, and it does not complete the review, nor does it enable the 'submit' button to complete the review. Similarly, leaving a comment no longer enables the 'submit' button." CreationDate="2021-08-27T14:20:12.010" UserId="44191" />
  <row Id="26347" PostId="5126" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the response, @user44191. Now that's this is settled, a natural question is whether this feature request wouldn't be more suitable as an answer [to the network-wide announcement](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/369013) rather than on MathOverflow Meta. After all, it is something that would influence the whole network. (It says at the end: &quot;Please leave your feedback and any bugs you may discover related to this release below this post. We will be monitoring this post until Friday, September 10th. Report any further issues after September 10th as new questions on Meta.&quot;)" CreationDate="2021-08-27T14:28:06.283" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26348" PostId="5126" Score="4" Text="There are several answers there that seem to note this (https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/369036, https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/369037, https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/369017); the mods there say they are working on an answer now." CreationDate="2021-08-27T14:34:07.987" UserId="44191" />
  <row Id="26354" PostId="5126" Score="1" Text="I would like to add that a similar issue is with the new &quot;First answers&quot; section: I don't have that screen in front of me, but I remember the impossibility to vote for deletion. This is probably part of the same &quot;let's all be kind to each other&quot; sugar-ish policy." CreationDate="2021-08-29T09:36:07.750" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="26373" PostId="5126" Score="0" Text="@AlexM. The fact that one cannot vote to close questions from the review queue is bad, but please do not make it even worse by posting bogus comments asking for clarification on off-topic but perfectly clear questions such as [here](https://mathoverflow.net/q/403127). This is not a solution, and it only serves to confuse the OP. If there is no sensible option, skip the review, and vote or comment on the question manually." CreationDate="2021-09-03T16:55:11.400" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26349" PostId="5128" Score="2" Text="That was a case of doubt. -- Following your flag, I converted the answer to a comment and moved the comments on it (since the comments contained information I felt shouldn't be deleted). -- Then, the OP of the answer explained in a flag why he thought it is an answer, and since the explanation sounded (vaguely) reasonable, I undeleted the answer and deleted the duplicated comments. -- Just that." CreationDate="2021-08-28T16:35:35.610" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26350" PostId="5128" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl I see. I don’t think the answer answers the question at all, even after its edits to include the word “intuition”. It reveals nothing about amenable group actions, and only a loose idea for why amenable groups are called as such. It’s a good comment, and a good background (as in the very good other answer to the question), but does not answer the question. OP to the question seems to agree. I’m curious what explanation convinced you otherwise." CreationDate="2021-08-28T17:16:21.717" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="26351" PostId="5128" Score="2" Text="I said it was a case of doubt. -- That is, I am not convinced it is an answer. Rather -- *in dubio pro reo* -- the OP convinced me to give it the chance to be judged by the community, by votes. -- Not more." CreationDate="2021-08-28T18:28:33.217" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26353" PostId="5128" Score="3" Text="FWIW I think it is an answer, but just not a very good one. With no disrespect meant to Carlo as a mathematician in general. (I also don't think it's a very good question, as people seem to ask for &quot;intuition&quot; about technical concepts as a kind of catch-all phrase for &quot;tell me a story I will like, but you have to guess what kinds of stories I like&quot;.)" CreationDate="2021-08-28T20:16:16.097" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="26355" PostId="5130" Score="2" Text="hmm, if tags should indicate an area of expertise rather than a type of question, I guess many of our tags are deprecated (big-list, reference-request, paper-request, motivation, intuition, alternative-proof, books, software, specific-calculation, advice,  bibliography, thesis, reading-list, conferences, ... )" CreationDate="2021-08-30T17:24:40.390" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26358" PostId="5130" Score="0" Text="I don't necessarily think that all of those are what I'd call &quot;meta tags&quot; - [more info in a really early blog](https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/08/07/the-death-of-meta-tags/). For example, someone could have expertise in preparing for conferences or writing bibliographies or theses - those are fine - they don't have to be areas of Mathematical expertise. :) soft-question, though is a type of question, not a subject of discussion. It'd be the equivalent of &quot;beginner&quot;. I would say that &quot;advice&quot; would be a meta tag, as would motivation, and intuition and specific-calculation." CreationDate="2021-09-01T15:02:49.710" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="26359" PostId="5130" Score="0" Text="If this is something that y'all want to look into addressing, I'm happy to help but if it feels too ingrained in MO and not something you want to change - that's up to y'all. We recommend avoiding them and working to remove them because we don't generally feel that they fit the platform - but I think that y'all have questions that many other sites wouldn't allow, such as reading-list questions. Questions like [this one](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/28268/do-you-read-the-masters) really don't fit our platform as they're discussions, not objective Q&amp;A." CreationDate="2021-09-01T15:07:13.033" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="26360" PostId="5130" Score="0" Text="Y'all also do this odd thing with tags that I've not seen elsewhere - putting a prefix on the tags like [tag:ag.algebraic-geometry]." CreationDate="2021-09-01T15:09:06.817" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="26361" PostId="5130" Score="1" Text="thank you, Catija, for the detailed response; I'm pretty sure the consensus here is to keep the tags we're used to --- they are indeed 'ingrained in MO'." CreationDate="2021-09-01T15:15:51.810" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26362" PostId="5130" Score="0" Text="Thanks for having blocked this tag. I've retagged the two linked questions." CreationDate="2021-09-02T15:23:17.673" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26366" PostId="5130" Score="1" Text="@Catija As I have [already mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/59018087#59018087), you can find more on those &quot;prefixes&quot; here: [Why are MO tags formatted as they are?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1457) and [Frequently asked questions about tagging on MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1075#1076)." CreationDate="2021-09-03T06:13:41.150" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26363" PostId="5131" Score="1" Text="I have flagged the question for moderator attention" CreationDate="2021-09-03T01:39:30.517" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26365" PostId="5131" Score="0" Text="Just to clarify: You're asking to the delete *the question*, right? (You don't mean deleting *the answer* and leaving the question.)" CreationDate="2021-09-03T05:53:29.270" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26367" PostId="5131" Score="2" Text="The mentioned post is deleted now." CreationDate="2021-09-03T07:31:48.013" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26368" PostId="5131" Score="2" Text="&quot;my reputation is so low that I can’t accept or delete it.&quot; Does a user really need to have some number of points in order to accept an answer to his/her own question?" CreationDate="2021-09-03T07:37:00.983" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26369" PostId="5131" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes, I meant delete the question" CreationDate="2021-09-03T11:06:00.480" UserId="87856" />
  <row Id="26370" PostId="5131" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson Your right. I could just accept the answer but I didn’t think it was correct. And my post is so contaminated I would rather have it deleted." CreationDate="2021-09-03T11:13:52.283" UserId="87856" />
  <row Id="26371" PostId="5131" Score="3" Text="Just a side remark -- deleting the question apparently caused a 100-points-bounty on the question from 2019 to be refunded." CreationDate="2021-09-03T12:25:11.313" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26372" PostId="5131" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl There are several posts on [meta.se] related to this, such as [When a question that had bounties is deleted, are they automatically refunded?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/145329) and [other questions linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/145329). There is also the section &quot;What happens if a question where I awarded a bounty later gets deleted or migrated?&quot; in the FAQ post [How does the bounty system work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/16065)" CreationDate="2021-09-03T12:49:44.800" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26374" PostId="5132" Score="2" Text="Re: &quot;not sure if anyone can still see it&quot;. Users with 10k+ reputation [can see deleted posts](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/moderator-tools).&#xA;The version from August 14 is visible [in the Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20210814023449/https://mathoverflow.net/questions/398151/some-stuff-related-to-the-twin-prime-conjecture). At the moment, the content is [available in SEDE](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1435952/title-body-and-tags-of-the-given-post?list=398151) - but only until the next update of the database." CreationDate="2021-09-04T00:26:04.237" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26375" PostId="5132" Score="0" Text="Surprised to see my question here got downvoted in the first few minutes. I am at a loss to understand why. If anyone can explain, this would be most welcome. Generally speaking, I am looking for better fit on StackExchange (or elsewhere, though Reddit is not friendly either -- maybe Quora?) to ask my questions, or what I should improve." CreationDate="2021-09-04T00:39:20.177" UserId="140356" />
  <row Id="26376" PostId="5132" Score="3" Text="Go to https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba and all will be explained." CreationDate="2021-09-04T05:53:17.007" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26377" PostId="5132" Score="0" Text="@Gerry: I wish I knew what went wrong with my question. I still don't know why, and that is OK, but it does not help me create questions that are more likely to be better perceived by the community. Not that I care about votes, but I do care about not wasting people's time, including mine." CreationDate="2021-09-04T06:12:16.047" UserId="140356" />
  <row Id="26378" PostId="5132" Score="2" Text="The 10th version of the question contains the admission, &quot;There are still erroneous statements in this question.&quot; That's kind of a red flag, don't you think?" CreationDate="2021-09-04T06:23:48.990" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26379" PostId="5132" Score="1" Text="@Gerry: That's all I wanted to know. A reason why it happened. Your comment is the only useful explanation I got. So to improve in the future, it sounds that rather than saying &quot;There are still erroneous statements in this question&quot;, I should have fixed them on MO, rather than posting an other article elsewhere where the known errors were fixed. Of course, posting fewer updates may help too, as you mention &quot;10th update&quot;. In any case, that's my understanding at this point." CreationDate="2021-09-04T07:16:09.657" UserId="140356" />
  <row Id="26380" PostId="5132" Score="4" Text="The question has been automatically deleted by the &quot;Community&quot; robot because it has negative score, no answers and is more than one month old -- cf. [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/78048/enable-automatic-deletion-of-old-unanswered-zero-score-questions-after-a-year/92006#92006)." CreationDate="2021-09-04T07:31:58.307" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26381" PostId="5132" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: Thanks. It did get a negative score right after I posted &quot;There are still erroneous statements in this question&quot;. Prior to that, the score was zero, which obviously is an indication people are not interested in the question. So it seems that Gerry's comment also makes sense. I was asking this because I might be asking a new question related to this topic based on the corrected version, and was wondering if it would be a waste of time for everyone including myself. I know anything indirectly related to a conjecture is a very sensitive subject on MO." CreationDate="2021-09-04T07:42:14.187" UserId="140356" />
  <row Id="26382" PostId="5132" Score="2" Text="The *net* score might have been zero, but that doesn't mean no one was interested. When I looked, it had three upvotes and four downvotes, for a net score of $-1$. You can look at https://mathoverflow.net/users/140356/vincent-granville?tab=reputation to see when you got upvotes and when you got downvotes on that post." CreationDate="2021-09-04T09:08:29.893" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26383" PostId="5132" Score="3" Text="I wouldn't mind to see this undeleted; it is not spammy or offensive, and even wrong turns or dead ends can serve a purpose." CreationDate="2021-09-04T13:32:22.420" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26398" PostId="5134" Score="5" Text="Such a well-written article on a difficult-to-explain topic!" CreationDate="2021-09-17T20:37:06.470" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="26388" PostId="5135" Score="12" Text="please, Nemo, let's let this matter rest now, it's not worth further heat." CreationDate="2021-09-09T20:21:50.793" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26389" PostId="5135" Score="8" Text="I second Carlo's comment: the moderators are clearly aware of the situation.  Nothing positive will be achieved by intemperate comments." CreationDate="2021-09-09T20:52:47.383" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="26391" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="As someone whose edit history will show his endless appetite for tidying, I would be happy to be part of such a manual effort, which presumably it would be unobjectionable to spread over time.  However, is there any way to do it without meaninglessly promoting hundreds of posts to the front page?" CreationDate="2021-09-14T03:28:52.113" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26392" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@LSpice Something like that was discussed several times, you can see various feature requests around this. (I still hope that this is going to be implemented at some point - but AFAICT, at the moment  there is no way to edit posts without bumping.) See also: [Minor edits, subject to review](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/192) (on this meta) or [Allow non-bumping minor edits, but review them on /review](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/122567) (on [meta.se])." CreationDate="2021-09-14T05:10:55.420" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26393" PostId="5136" Score="2" Text="*The tool we have to make this change is a pretty simple find/replace tool that only works for post content, not comments. It only works for URLs and it can't accept RegEx.* You are a software company, so making new tools to interact with your main product should be a normal thing for you. And a regex find/replace engine is something that could have many other applications in additions to this task. I imagine it there are prioritization and cost/benefit issues here; &quot;we don't have the tools to do that&quot; surely is not the whole story." CreationDate="2021-09-16T10:18:07.983" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="26394" PostId="5136" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni considering the vast list of things that need to be addressed, building a better tool for this specific issue is extremely low priority." CreationDate="2021-09-16T12:18:55.063" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="26416" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@LSpice I've been attacking them slowly, using the search tools in Martin's answer. It would be nice to divide the effort. Perhaps attacking the &quot;Maybe manually, maybe mass converted&quot; ones would be a good place to start, they could be knocked off over a week or so. The pre-2000 ones likewise. The ~200 posts with links from 2000–06 are going to be a slow slog. There may be some overlap, though, which will help—I've seen posts with multiple links from all over the shop." CreationDate="2021-09-23T02:13:33.510" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26460" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts, I definitely still want to help, although, as for everyone, the semester being underway cuts down dramatically on my MO time (hence my near-two weeks' delay).  Have you just been editing them as regular posts, in a way that bumps them to the front page?  (I understand that that is the norm, and know no better way, but wanted to make sure it was the appropriate way to proceed before diving in.)" CreationDate="2021-10-04T17:06:58.200" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26463" PostId="5136" Score="1" Text="@LSpice yes, I've been just doing a couple at a time, the normal way. Even just attacking one a day would be progress. The posts are spread over a wide range of topics, so it's not like fixing up a whole bunch on a niche topic and crowding the front page." CreationDate="2021-10-04T23:06:18.563" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26482" PostId="5136" Score="1" Text="Meanwhile, the tool was apparently [significantly improved](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/367881/links-to-html-versions-of-rfcs-need-to-move-from-tools-to-datatracker/370325#comment1236999_370325). Does this change the answer in any way?" CreationDate="2021-10-07T14:55:04.137" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26483" PostId="5136" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek No, it doesn't. The improvements made don't include regex - the main improvement was that we now can run the query across the network rather than per-site. CMs also have the ability to preview the impact of the changes before requesting the dev team makes them. Regex hasn't been added." CreationDate="2021-10-07T15:03:34.063" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="26484" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="All right, thanks for the explanation." CreationDate="2021-10-07T15:24:39.357" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27146" PostId="5136" Score="2" Text="@Catija we have made big progress on the manual edits, see [my new answer here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5290/4177) with a summary. This should be ready to be revisited by next week, if not before. The aim is to have only arXiv Front links from 2008 onwards outstanding and needing replacement. This is not a problem for a simple find/replace." CreationDate="2022-03-29T07:23:32.747" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27158" PostId="5136" Score="4" Text="All the manual edits seem to be done, now. Time to revisit this one, if I may be so bold..." CreationDate="2022-03-30T11:40:36.257" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26405" PostId="5137" Score="1" Text="I have struck of a couple that needed only two post edits. We should be able to get some of the items here, with only a few posts each, cleaned up within a couple of days, then likewise clean up the list." CreationDate="2021-09-20T05:30:17.737" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26716" PostId="5137" Score="0" Text="@Martin: I've fixed the comments for you." CreationDate="2022-01-10T20:48:19.283" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26717" PostId="5137" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila You mean [these three comments](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2022/1/10), right?" CreationDate="2022-01-10T20:54:38.980" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26718" PostId="5137" Score="0" Text="@Martin: As one can guess. Seeing how the links there are now correct..." CreationDate="2022-01-10T20:55:17.907" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26917" PostId="5137" Score="1" Text="Down to 98 manual ones in questions and answers, now!" CreationDate="2022-01-30T03:19:24.100" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26923" PostId="5137" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts Thank you a lot for your ongoing effort!" CreationDate="2022-01-31T14:16:29.530" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27124" PostId="5137" Score="1" Text="Now only comments to deal with in the time 2000–06! They can be dealt with by replying with a link to the current arXiv url. There are also only a small number of 2007 links in posts and comments, which can be dealt with. Then we only have the time period 2008–2019 to fix. Can this indeed be done with a script? The arxiv IDs are completely uniform in this time period." CreationDate="2022-03-26T09:59:49.380" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27125" PostId="5137" Score="1" Text="Big thanks to all who have been slowly chipping away at these!" CreationDate="2022-03-26T10:01:39.303" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26399" PostId="5138" Score="8" Text="Just to be clear, I don't think Bourbaki met at a Burger King, I think a Burger King was opened, many years later, next to the site of the Bourbaki meeting." CreationDate="2021-09-17T23:48:15.227" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26400" PostId="5138" Score="5" Text="@GerryMyerson:  I wondered if anyone would really think that, but I'm surprised that you should raise it! I think the Burger King occupies abstractly the same space that  Bourbaki concretized. (See the plaque; and Bourbaki concretizing something is a nice joke in itself.)" CreationDate="2021-09-18T01:04:25.557" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="26402" PostId="5138" Score="2" Text="I never shrink from stating the obvious, Lucia." CreationDate="2021-09-18T07:23:55.787" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26403" PostId="5138" Score="21" Text="Fun false fact: the name *Bourbaki* comes from a mispronunciation of *Burger King*, the place where they first met in 1934." CreationDate="2021-09-18T20:12:47.617" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="26404" PostId="5138" Score="8" Text="@FedericoPoloni:  I was sent this with a fantastic caption to the photo:  BourbaKing!" CreationDate="2021-09-18T21:08:57.860" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="26636" PostId="5138" Score="0" Text="A Starbucks would have been a happier compromise between mathematics and American fast food." CreationDate="2021-12-08T13:56:12.313" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="26406" PostId="5140" Score="4" Text="I've never seen the phrase &quot;Top question&quot; applied to anything on this website. What do you mean by &quot;Top question&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-09-21T05:30:26.687" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26407" PostId="5140" Score="5" Text="@GerryMyerson It confused me too, but it turns out this is a case of selective blindness: the default list of question on the main page mathoverflow.net is in fact labelled “Top Questions”, for whatever reason." CreationDate="2021-09-21T05:57:36.707" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26408" PostId="5140" Score="6" Text="So, the answer is: “Top” simply means “most recently active” (asked, answered, edited, etc). It is not connected to votes, except that questions with score $-4$ or lower are not shown in the list." CreationDate="2021-09-21T06:00:06.213" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26409" PostId="5140" Score="2" Text="@Emil, yes, you are quite right. I think that means &quot;top according to the ordering you have chosen for viewing the questions&quot;. So, e.g., if you view by &quot;Active&quot;, then any time a question is asked, answered, or modified, it rises to the top of your view of the &quot;Top Questions&quot;. [I was typing this as you were typing your comment]" CreationDate="2021-09-21T06:01:19.707" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26410" PostId="5140" Score="1" Text="Although there may be such occult criteria for nominating questions, I suggest that the Top question award, in its present form, is discontinued." CreationDate="2021-09-21T07:52:06.100" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="26411" PostId="5140" Score="2" Text="Related: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/370059/177408" CreationDate="2021-09-21T09:26:01.067" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="26412" PostId="5140" Score="0" Text="@Joel Reyes Noche You are referring to an earlier edition of my question. " CreationDate="2021-09-21T09:38:27.277" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="26413" PostId="5140" Score="0" Text="@FrodeAlfsonBjørdal Probably including screenshot (as you did in the post on [meta.se]) would probably make the question a bit clearer. I went ahead and edited your post - if there are some other things which would make the question clearer, you should edit it. (And, of course, if the question is for some reason better without the screenshot, you should feel free to remove it.)" CreationDate="2021-09-21T11:15:47.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26414" PostId="5140" Score="0" Text="@Martin Sleziak Thanks. I think also the second screen shot should be up, to avert the misunderstanding that it has to do with what tab that is active. So I will edit in shortly." CreationDate="2021-09-21T11:23:31.160" UserId="37385" />
  <row Id="26415" PostId="5140" Score="0" Text="The question on [meta.se] was deleted, but one can still see [the linked questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/370059) - they were mentioned in the comments or chosen as the duplicate targets." CreationDate="2021-09-22T18:38:24.033" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26462" PostId="5140" Score="1" Text="Every time I see this on the sidebar the capitalisation makes me think it's a question about the category of topological spaces …." CreationDate="2021-10-04T20:53:04.293" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26425" PostId="5144" Score="2" Text="This is fantastic, thank you very much!" CreationDate="2021-09-26T21:53:15.870" UserId="2083" />
  <row Id="26435" PostId="5148" Score="2" Text="I undeleted the question (the one found by Martin Sleziak). It was autodeleted, but it had no negative feedback." CreationDate="2021-10-02T07:34:35.840" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26436" PostId="5148" Score="4" Text="Of course, one should keep in mind that if the question still fulfills [the criteria for roomba](https://mathoverflow.net/help/roomba), it will be deleted the next time the script runs. (AFAICT this basically meant that t will be deleted again if it doesn't get an upvote or at least two comments.)" CreationDate="2021-10-02T08:38:03.700" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26437" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl Dear Stefan Thank you very much for undeletting my question" CreationDate="2021-10-02T10:41:35.190" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="26767" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="Stack Exchange recently (2022) changed how this works - and now there is a way to get a list of all your deleted questions/deleted answers. For more details see here: [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254) (And I guess, since now there is this new functionality, maybe this question could be closed as a duplicate.)" CreationDate="2022-01-12T16:15:13.113" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26768" PostId="5148" Score="4" Text="Does this answer your question? [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3254/can-i-somewhere-see-my-own-deleted-questions)" CreationDate="2022-01-12T16:15:23.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26438" PostId="5149" Score="0" Text="Dear Martin Thank you very much for your very helpful answer" CreationDate="2021-10-02T10:42:48.750" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="26771" PostId="5149" Score="0" Text="This answer is now basically outdated since now there is much easier way to see *your own* deleted posts. For details see: [Can I somewhere see my own deleted questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3254)&#xA;(I did not want to bump this question by a new edit - so I have mentioned this only in a comment instead.)" CreationDate="2022-01-12T16:21:03.080" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26448" PostId="5150" Score="7" Text="That is a good question. -- IMHO such edits should rather not be recommended, as they may leave the community (or the moderators) the choice between rather unsatisfactory options: have the question closed as off-topic with a highly upvoted answer, or reopen the question in a form which has not much to do with what the OP originally asked, or delete the originally off-topic question together with an answer which has substantial content. In the given case, with a bit of a bad feeling I have cast the 5th vote to reopen. Also, I have made the question CW (maybe the answer should be CW as well(?))." CreationDate="2021-10-03T14:14:53.747" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26449" PostId="5150" Score="6" Text="I may well be mistaken here, but I thought that my edit of the question was very much in line with the &quot;wiki&quot; character of Stack Exchange in general and MathOverflow in particular (here is an [example](https://mathoverflow.net/q/16821/11260) that predates the merging of MO in SE). But if I'm mistaken, I apologize and will refrain from any action of this kind in the future." CreationDate="2021-10-03T18:58:07.960" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26451" PostId="5150" Score="9" Text="&quot;At the positive side, this results in producing a post of interest to the MO audience rather than a post which was to be eventually deleted.&quot; We can have both: the &quot;post of interest&quot; can be posted, question along with answer, as a *new* post, and then the original post deleted." CreationDate="2021-10-04T02:18:19.047" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26452" PostId="5150" Score="5" Text="What bothers me most about such situations is putting words in someone else's mouth. The earlier example mentioned in [Carlo Beenakker's comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5150/to-which-extent-can-one-modify-anothers-question#comment26449_5150) is even more extreme and I like it even less. In the case at hand, I'd prefer to either do what Carlo did at first (answer a different question but leave the original question unmodified) or adopt [Gerry Myerson's suggestion](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5150/to-which-extent-can-one-modify-anothers-question#comment26451_5150)." CreationDate="2021-10-04T12:33:24.070" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26453" PostId="5150" Score="4" Text="Let me voice my minority opinion that (in this particular case) Carlo's edits were fine.   The original problem was perhaps not optimally stated, but its meaning was clear even from the title.  The answer was also obvious, but Carlo's generous interpretation and answer were interesting.  I think MO has thought through this issue before &quot;What should we do with stone soup?&quot;.  If there were an issue to worry about, this would not be the question that would concern me." CreationDate="2021-10-04T14:26:17.937" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="26454" PostId="5150" Score="3" Text="@Lucia Maybe you intended to include a link to the question here on meta: [What shall we do with stone soup?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1046)" CreationDate="2021-10-04T14:28:37.793" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26455" PostId="5150" Score="0" Text="Thanks @MartinSleziak.  Yes, that's what I was thinking of." CreationDate="2021-10-04T14:36:08.780" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="26456" PostId="5150" Score="2" Text="It's perhaps worth reminding everyone that such practices (that is, not answering the question that was actually asked), in very slightly different form, have been very common on MO, without raising anyone's eyebrows. More specifically: (1) answers that start &quot;I can't answer the actual question, but ...&quot; ; (2) answering (as Carlo did) the question the OP &quot;should have asked&quot;, when the question taken at face value has obvious defects; (3) (less common, but not unheard of) posting the question &quot;the OP should have asked&quot; as a new question oneself and answering it instantaneously." CreationDate="2021-10-04T15:46:24.620" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="26457" PostId="5150" Score="1" Text="As I said in the post, I don't have a definite opinion and I often feel in the situation where I'm indeed tempted to modify a question. I believe posting, beforehand, comments proposing a possible improvement of the question could be a way to leave both the OP and the community a chance to react, before modifying the question." CreationDate="2021-10-04T16:09:18.157" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26458" PostId="5150" Score="3" Text="@ChristianRemling, I think it's worth noting explicitly, as you surely meant to do implicitly, that the question isn't about any of [those](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5150/to-which-extent-can-one-modify-anothers-question#comment26456_5150) behaviours, all of which leave the original question unchanged—never attributing a question to a user a question they didn't ask, even if it would have been better that they had.  I take @‍YCor's question to be thus: should we allow this new behaviour to accompany such unexceptionable practices?" CreationDate="2021-10-04T17:04:24.903" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26459" PostId="5150" Score="5" Text="My [vote](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5150/to-which-extent-can-one-modify-anothers-question#comment26458_5150) is no, for what it's worth; I think that we rightly have a culture of allowing meaning-preserving transformations of other people's posts, but rejecting or discouraging meaning-changing transformations, even if that change is for the better." CreationDate="2021-10-04T17:05:11.860" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26461" PostId="5150" Score="3" Text="@LSpice: Yes, the point is well taken. But still the distinction is a fine one, and I guess I just wanted to point out that in its more extreme form the policy &quot;answer the question as asked or keep your mouth shut&quot; has never been the practice on MO." CreationDate="2021-10-04T17:17:54.853" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="26477" PostId="5150" Score="2" Text="I don't have a strong opinion on this but one can imagine if the OP objected, they could roll back the changes or say something in the comments." CreationDate="2021-10-06T14:37:52.037" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="26474" PostId="5152" Score="4" Text="This seems to be a similar case here: [Trouble understanding criterion to answer protected question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1120). As far as I can tell, if some reputation was given away, it is more complicated. You can check the post on [meta.se]: [Stack Exchange doesn't allow me to answer protected questions because I gave away earned rep in bounties](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/231498) (and maybe also [other related questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/231498).)" CreationDate="2021-10-06T07:20:25.360" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26478" PostId="5152" Score="1" Text="See also the post [Allow people to answer protected questions if they have earned at least some amount of combined SE rep](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/129214/allow-people-to-answer-protected-questions-if-they-have-earned-at-least-some-amo)" CreationDate="2021-10-07T04:07:12.843" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26479" PostId="5153" Score="2" Text="I wasn't sure whether I should answer this or not. More-or-less it seems as a duplicate of the older question linked above. If the MO community thinks that this answer doesn't add anything to what quid already said in the older thread, I can simply delete my answer. (But even then, I think it is preferable to keep the question rather than delete it. Having several questions about the same thing helps search - the next time somebody wants to ask about this, they might find either this or the older one, depending on the search terms they choose.)" CreationDate="2021-10-07T08:21:11.857" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26486" PostId="5154" Score="10" Text="It is strange that your browser is not caching these resources automatically.  When I look at the corresponding information in Chrome DevTools, the Size column says (disk cache) or (memory cache) for almost all items; very little is fetched from cloudflare.  Are you sure that you have not inadvertently disabled caching?" CreationDate="2021-10-10T16:30:04.830" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="26490" PostId="5154" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't call this &quot;super easy&quot; to install on an Android phone. The workaround required to install unauthorized extensions takes some technical ability." CreationDate="2021-10-15T10:00:54.757" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="26497" PostId="5154" Score="0" Text="@NeilStrickland That's why I said &quot;when I first visit&quot;, I purge cookies and all local data with each browser session for privacy reasons." CreationDate="2021-10-20T05:24:29.333" UserId="51360" />
  <row Id="26498" PostId="5158" Score="3" Text="while I do think you can conclude from a closed question that it is not &quot;research-level mathematics&quot;, I don't think the converse is true; In reference to your comment on the role of moderation: in most cases (spam is the exception) whether a question is closed or remains open is decided by the community, not by a moderator." CreationDate="2021-10-23T19:37:44.810" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26499" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="I am going to edit that, my aim is not to be controversial in that point." CreationDate="2021-10-23T19:41:14.170" UserDisplayName="user366545" />
  <row Id="26502" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="I'll just add that on the [timeline of the post](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/330087/timeline) one can see whether it was in the close votes review queue and how many times. (In this specific case, it happened once.)" CreationDate="2021-10-24T06:14:49.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26503" PostId="5159" Score="0" Text="Congratulations!" CreationDate="2021-10-26T04:36:14.990" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="26504" PostId="5159" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Andrés!" CreationDate="2021-10-26T06:07:04.857" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="26514" PostId="5163" Score="3" Text="It works for me. Are you sure it wasn’t a random one-time glitch? Did you try to type the expression again? Does it keep being like this when you edit the saved version of your post? What browser version are you using? Do you use any user scripts etc.?" CreationDate="2021-11-06T06:27:03.310" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26519" PostId="5163" Score="2" Text="It also shows the brackets for me.  Maybe also specify what browser version you are using, and the information under Math Settings &gt; Math Renderer.  Mine: Safari 14.1.2 and renderer HTML-CSS" CreationDate="2021-11-06T15:48:41.620" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="26530" PostId="5163" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the suggestions, @EmilJeřábek and @‍GeraldEdgar!  It seems to be  sporadic for me as well; I cannot reproduce it on the original example, but it just happened on another post.  I have updated the post with the requested information." CreationDate="2021-11-08T00:07:15.167" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29612" PostId="5163" Score="1" Text="On [math.meta.se]: [Escaped braces do not render in post preview](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31124)." CreationDate="2024-02-10T05:24:42.550" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26511" PostId="5164" Score="8" Text="I think the hypothesis that MO is used to answer fundamental questions may not be a natural one.  To the extent that it is, I think MO users, me among them, are so eager to ask their neat questions that they aren't very thorough about checking for duplicates, so that lots of fundamental questions get repeatedly re-asked." CreationDate="2021-11-06T01:25:34.967" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26512" PostId="5164" Score="17" Text="Why should questions connected to research decrease over time? The research output of mathematicians seems to be going up, overall." CreationDate="2021-11-06T02:10:28.420" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26513" PostId="5164" Score="2" Text="Maybe ([meta-tag:statistics]) could be a suitable tag here?" CreationDate="2021-11-06T06:05:15.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26515" PostId="5164" Score="2" Text="You write &quot;Two questions&quot;. But there is no question below." CreationDate="2021-11-06T07:45:43.487" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26516" PostId="5164" Score="0" Text="@YCor: The two questions are to explain the slight rise, and the anomaly in August 2020." CreationDate="2021-11-06T10:37:16.363" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="26517" PostId="5164" Score="1" Text="I sort of guess this is what you want to ask. But these are not formulated as questions." CreationDate="2021-11-06T11:27:55.773" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26518" PostId="5164" Score="1" Text="@YCor: Revised to make it clearer. Thanks." CreationDate="2021-11-06T12:22:03.353" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="26520" PostId="5164" Score="1" Text="Big spikes should be: questions mentioned elsewhere." CreationDate="2021-11-06T15:58:54.457" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="26537" PostId="5164" Score="2" Text="Note that summers occur around January/February in the Southern Hemisphere - not sure how many Southern Hemisphere users or visitors we have here though." CreationDate="2021-11-11T14:19:55.657" UserId="2312" />
  <row Id="26525" PostId="5165" Score="2" Text="Oh, good catch on that question that was posted to Reddit. I remember that question, and it's exactly the sort of quasi-clickbait that gets people excited." CreationDate="2021-11-07T14:44:57.810" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26526" PostId="5165" Score="0" Text="A commenter points out that it was also linked [on HackerNews](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24049428) on Aug 4, which would have driven a lot of traffic here. There are 653 upvotes on that post on HN, and 127 comments." CreationDate="2021-11-07T14:46:39.993" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26528" PostId="5165" Score="4" Text="HackerNews is the equal-sixth-highest referring site for MathOverflow in the past month, if that gives any context to how much traffic we get from there without spikes. All the higher-listed sites are MO itself or stackexchange sites. Overall, new visits went up by a factor about 6 on Aug 4th 2020 compared to the previous day, and total page visits more than doubled." CreationDate="2021-11-07T14:58:08.643" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26529" PostId="5165" Score="1" Text="And note the [Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/i3au6w/user_on_mathoverflow_realizes_he_made_an_early/) has net 2181 upvotes, which is very high for r/math, so it got a lot of attention." CreationDate="2021-11-07T15:03:38.480" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26532" PostId="5169" Score="4" Text="Go to your current profile page; at the bottom left choose &quot;Contact&quot;, then &quot;I need to merge user profiles&quot; in the &quot;What can we help you with?&quot; drop-down menu. In the body of the message place the current profile and the old one, and the SE team will merge the old into the new for you." CreationDate="2021-11-09T15:59:18.630" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="26533" PostId="5169" Score="0" Text="Thanks--will try!" CreationDate="2021-11-09T16:15:48.813" UserId="47134" />
  <row Id="26534" PostId="5169" Score="2" Text="Just for the record, I'll add that the way suggested by @AlexM. is mentioned also in the help center: https://mathoverflow.net/help/merging-accounts" CreationDate="2021-11-09T16:45:38.640" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26535" PostId="5169" Score="2" Text="Does this answer your question? [How can I log in into my old mathoverflow account?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/15/how-can-i-log-in-into-my-old-mathoverflow-account)" CreationDate="2021-11-09T16:47:12.083" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="26547" PostId="5172" Score="1" Text="I would be happy to vote to re-open if it were retitled to ask about the correctness of Yau's criticism and the long quote cut down to the bare essentials. A bunch of that looks like waffle or smokescreen (I mean, does Perelman wanting to wait for peer review to finish before explicitly claiming a proof somehow imply the proof might have errors? That's just good practice...)" CreationDate="2021-11-17T04:24:57.117" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26548" PostId="5172" Score="0" Text="My take on this is that the question on main needs to be either substantially rewritten (and retitled!) or, better, asked anew to make it clear and on-topic. From my viewpoint, it is really a question about history of math (and, by now, the entire affair is history). Just my 2 cents..." CreationDate="2021-11-17T05:50:45.357" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="26549" PostId="5172" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts I was the one who typed in the full quote. What do you mean by cutting it down to the bare essentials? To properly evaluate what Yau says, one needs to see the polemical nature of his remarks (claiming to want to put the controversy behind him and then in the same breath making remarks that he admits are controversial, while claiming to care only about the math, etc.). If one cuts all that out then readers are left puzzled as to why other mathematicians are reacting so negatively to a call for more people to study Perelman's argument carefully." CreationDate="2021-11-17T06:15:13.803" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26550" PostId="5172" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow oh, ok, that makes sense." CreationDate="2021-11-17T06:21:58.060" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26551" PostId="5172" Score="1" Text="@MoisheKohan I have just attempted to rewrite the question. What do you think about it now?" CreationDate="2021-11-17T06:26:24.427" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26552" PostId="5172" Score="1" Text="@TimothyChow I think it's good, and I've voted to reopen." CreationDate="2021-11-17T07:25:17.630" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26553" PostId="5172" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow: This is much better now. One thing which still bothers me about the question in the current form: Most of what Yau says is not even a doubt in the proof. It's a sequence of lamentations such as &quot;As far as I'm aware, no one has taken some of the techniques Perelman introduced toward the end of his paper and successfully used them to solve any other significant problem. This suggests to me that other mathematicians don't yet have full command of this work and its methodologies either.&quot; A valid answer has to address such lamentations as well." CreationDate="2021-11-17T18:37:13.137" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="26554" PostId="5172" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow Maybe a bette phrasing would be &quot;To what extent are the doubts and lamentations (?) about the current state of understanding of Perelman's proof well-founded?&quot; Lastly, the original poster of the question was last seen at MO a week ago, which is another indication (to me) that this was not a serious inquiry. Given this, I think, it's OK to edit the question at will." CreationDate="2021-11-17T18:37:25.700" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="26555" PostId="5172" Score="0" Text="@MoisheKohan I agree that what you're calling &quot;lamentations&quot; should be addressed in the answer, but I prefer that the question itself be phrased as neutrally as possible, and the word &quot;lamentation&quot; is something of a pre-judgment. (By the way, as an aside, it seems that since I already voted to reopen a little while ago, I can't vote to reopen again for another couple of weeks.)" CreationDate="2021-11-17T18:57:17.800" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26556" PostId="5172" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow: Ok, I will vote to reopen. Thank you for your effort." CreationDate="2021-11-17T18:58:18.163" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="26557" PostId="5172" Score="5" Text="I voted to delete the question, and here is why. There are several detailed published expositions of Perelman's work/program. The authors put their reputation on the line. Surely, this counts more than any MO answer could ever provide. Concerns with the above expositions should be first brought to the authors, or other experts. I gather this has not been tried because there is no specific concern. MO is not for idle speculations, imo. The question &quot;Which other significant problems were solved via Ricci flow techniques of Perelman&quot; is reasonable and no doubt would receive good answers." CreationDate="2021-11-17T23:51:35.290" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="26559" PostId="5173" Score="5" Text="Not sure, but the question is now protected, so hopefully that will be the end of that." CreationDate="2021-11-19T20:32:43.557" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26560" PostId="5173" Score="9" Text="Given their similarities, they are probably all the same person." CreationDate="2021-11-19T23:41:58.007" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="26561" PostId="5173" Score="6" Text="I'll just mention that this question was in the HNQ list (see the [timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/408648/timeline) and the [revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/408648/revisions).)  Users who are below 10k can check that there were deleted answers [using SEDE](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1479912/deleted-answers-to-the-given-post?qid=408648) (but they will be displayed among the results only after the database is updated - which happens once a week)." CreationDate="2021-11-20T02:31:11.740" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26563" PostId="5173" Score="1" Text="I guess that such a question is rather internal to moderation (and is not likely to be fully answered), the troll's rationale not really being of much public interest." CreationDate="2021-11-22T11:57:28.097" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26564" PostId="5173" Score="5" Text="Since this is the first and only question of the OP and since he does not write under a pseudonym, this could just be the work of some guy who dislikes the OP and wants to annoy him. If this is the case, there will be perhaps a similar reaction to other posts of the OP" CreationDate="2021-11-22T16:55:04.473" UserId="4556" />
  <row Id="26565" PostId="5173" Score="2" Text="The presumably same troll user has also spammed the question [Is a closed subset of an extremally disconnected set again extremally disconnected](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/408839/)" CreationDate="2021-11-27T08:57:12.933" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26566" PostId="5175" Score="3" Text="A PDE is not a question, and only questions can be on topic. What do you want to ask about this PDE?" CreationDate="2021-11-29T13:08:59.913" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="26567" PostId="5175" Score="2" Text="I would say: ask it first in math.se if you are not familiar with the PDE literature.  Of course, when you ask there you will need to include more than just a random problem statement." CreationDate="2021-11-29T13:09:46.107" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="26569" PostId="5175" Score="0" Text="@DenisNardin I wanted to ask about this PDE's solutions" CreationDate="2021-11-29T14:33:39.800" UserId="123449" />
  <row Id="26570" PostId="5175" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar Okay I did that" CreationDate="2021-11-29T14:34:57.610" UserId="123449" />
  <row Id="26571" PostId="5175" Score="3" Text="@geocalc33 Good luck with math.SE, but in any case, what do you want to know about the solutions? I am very far from an expert in PDE, but my understanding is that an analytic expression for the solutions is pretty much never an option. Often people ask questions about existence, regularity, dimension of the space of solutions etc." CreationDate="2021-11-29T14:44:35.477" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="26579" PostId="5178" Score="1" Text="Instead of saying &quot;this problem&quot;, I strongly suggest giving a hint as to what the problem is in the title. This isn't meant to be clickbait, but something informative, so people can decide whether they want to look at your question or not." CreationDate="2021-12-02T07:02:16.747" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26580" PostId="5178" Score="1" Text="And saying &quot;this problem in geometry/algebra/number theory&quot; is too vague: the tags will say what area of maths the problem is in. Be a specific as you can given the length constraint. It will also help for people using a search engine to land on the question." CreationDate="2021-12-02T07:03:30.270" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26581" PostId="5178" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts, but I really don't know what area it should be associated. Also I don't know how to properly describe it with a few worlds. Could you see the post and give some clue? Thank you!" CreationDate="2021-12-02T12:59:35.750" UserId="424703" />
  <row Id="26582" PostId="5178" Score="0" Text="The current title &quot;What tools should I use for this problem?&quot; provides no information about the problem itself, and hence should be improved" CreationDate="2021-12-02T18:03:14.193" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26591" PostId="5178" Score="1" Text="@Diego fair enough! We do have cases where people write generic titles, even when it is clear what is going on, so I wanted to avoid that." CreationDate="2021-12-03T20:55:52.903" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26604" PostId="5178" Score="0" Text="@YCor, I totally agree, but I don't know how to improve. Any suggestion will be welcome." CreationDate="2021-12-04T13:30:24.387" UserId="424703" />
  <row Id="26577" PostId="5179" Score="0" Text="thank so much for your help! The question is posted and I tried to follow yours instructions the most." CreationDate="2021-12-01T03:10:54.013" UserId="424703" />
  <row Id="26583" PostId="5182" Score="11" Text="+1 - I was not at all happy with the first comment on that post, but at the time was too busy to do more than upvote the question and upvote the OP's comment, even if I did feel that the &quot;shade&quot; being cast on MSE was unfortunate" CreationDate="2021-12-03T11:39:56.293" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="26584" PostId="5182" Score="14" Text="Just to point out one minor detail here, the account is unregistered. So we don't quite know if the person sitting behind the keyboard was here before, or will be here again. Having said that, I think there is a long-term consensus that graduate level questions, if well-posed, definitely have a place on MO. They also have a place on MSE, but general dictum of SE is &quot;do not migrate on-topic questions&quot;. I don't know if making that suggestion was necessarily a bad idea, but it definitely triggered something in this case, which is indeed unfortunate." CreationDate="2021-12-03T12:20:31.277" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26585" PostId="5182" Score="6" Text="Well, my two cents:&#xA;(1) Probably the first comment &quot;Anyway, since it is not of research level, this question is more appropriate for Mathematics&quot; should have been phrased differently, for instance &quot;My impression is that this question could be more suitable for Mathematics, did you already try asking it there?&quot; or something similar. Here I am just talking about the form, not the substance.&#xA;(2) That said, the OP reaction calling MSE &quot; a website devoted to helping undergrads cheat&quot; seems to me a  exaggerated, we all know that this is not the case.&#xA;I see here a 50% contribution from each part." CreationDate="2021-12-03T13:25:56.110" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26587" PostId="5182" Score="12" Text="@AlexM.: &quot;I would like to discuss (respectfully, without throwing blame around) whether/how a better outcome might have been achieved.&quot; - This seems like a question to me." CreationDate="2021-12-03T16:10:29.153" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26588" PostId="5182" Score="11" Text="@AlexM One issue with your approach is that if one person thinks a question is very poor, they can make the question-asker feel attacked and not want to come back and ask another question (likely a better one after getting more experience with the site), even if everyone else on the site thinks the question is reasonable." CreationDate="2021-12-03T19:47:54.617" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="26593" PostId="5182" Score="21" Text="@AlexM. &quot;who is not able to prove an elementary fact about connections&quot; - that would be me, then, since I never learned diff geom properly. Would you be content with my withdrawal from MO, or would you like me to ask Newcastle to annul my PhD?" CreationDate="2021-12-03T22:47:29.453" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="26594" PostId="5182" Score="18" Text="@AlexM.: This wasn't a request for a pf of an elementary fact about connections, but whether there was a conceptual description of something defined by a big mess in local coordinates. When I first learned about the ordinary d operator, the local coordinate defn was totally unenlightening, and it was only much later in my education (after reading many books, and well after getting my PhD) that I learned the coordinate-free formula.  I personally have never seen the formula for the extension of a connection to higher differentials given in the answer. Should I give back my PhD and resign?" CreationDate="2021-12-03T23:02:17.233" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="26595" PostId="5182" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi: Not knowing elementary things is fine; asking about them on MO is not." CreationDate="2021-12-03T23:02:28.210" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="26596" PostId="5182" Score="20" Text="@AlexM.: This is hardly elementary, and strikes me as entirely appropriate for MO." CreationDate="2021-12-03T23:03:09.657" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="26597" PostId="5182" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman: Ok, maybe I was biased, but we were taught about (coordinate-free) connections in vector bundles in 1st year of MSc. Maybe this explains my point of view (for me, the whole issue was elementary - and the brevity of the given proof shows it). Also, remember that &quot;elementary&quot; means &quot;entirely from first principles&quot; - i.e. using only the basics." CreationDate="2021-12-03T23:04:15.930" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="26598" PostId="5182" Score="7" Text="@AlexM.: I'm happy for you. I got a PhD in geometry/topology from a reasonably fancy place, and it never came up. Probably people working in differential geometry were taught it, but not everyone." CreationDate="2021-12-03T23:06:14.040" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="26599" PostId="5182" Score="6" Text="The deleted comment is not visible to me, but here's my reading of the comment thread: The OP seemed somewhat offended when they received a comment calling the question not research-level (they said &quot;[that] seems a little rude.&quot;) They were significantly more annoyed when several other commenters largely ignored the intended point of their comment (that they were an established researcher, and questions by established researchers are by definition on-topic for MO) to argue with them about what they saw as a throwaway remark." CreationDate="2021-12-03T23:53:30.147" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="26600" PostId="5182" Score="3" Text="Basically, I think the original comment was &quot;unfortunate&quot; (at the first post puts it) but understandable. I think it would have been best to respond and apologize for it after the OP responded saying that they were an established researcher. And I really think that the comments after the OP's initial comment should not have been made, or at least should have been not made in the format that they were." CreationDate="2021-12-03T23:58:58.367" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="26601" PostId="5182" Score="15" Text="P.S. I think drawing any conclusions from someone writing $\nabla$ instead of $\Delta$ is utterly absurd - I make this mistake around half of the time, and I have written/am writing several papers on connections." CreationDate="2021-12-04T00:00:47.090" UserId="51424" />
  <row Id="26602" PostId="5182" Score="4" Text="I'd like to remind everyone that a key feature for a successful discussion here is to be *respectful*." CreationDate="2021-12-04T00:54:45.547" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26603" PostId="5182" Score="14" Text="This is a typical example where a small initial misunderstanding gives rise to a somehow bitter discussion. Instead of focusing on &quot;who offended whom&quot;, I think that the best thing in these cases is trying to keep calm when things have gotten hectic and give people the benefit of the doubt. We should also recall that new users are probably not familiar with the site, so a certain dose of tolerance is always appropriate." CreationDate="2021-12-04T06:37:34.923" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26606" PostId="5182" Score="10" Text="@AlexM I want to say something about &quot;I refuse to believe that ... is an appropriate user of MO.&quot; While the question-asker has clarified that she is faculty, just from the original question, I think by far the most likely guess is it was asked by a graduate student. Who reads orange books, spends a long time filling in the details in the arguments there, and wonders if they can be done a better way? All these are more or less famously done by graduate students." CreationDate="2021-12-05T14:15:36.687" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="26607" PostId="5182" Score="17" Text="@AlexM But graduate students also learn math very rapidly! So even if you are certain that no one who doesn't know X and Y should be on MO, if a grad student asks a question displaying a lack of knowledge, in a few months or a year they might know X and Y very well, and contribute positively to MO. But if you shoo them away they will never get the chance." CreationDate="2021-12-05T14:17:22.067" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="26608" PostId="5182" Score="5" Text="Without commenting on the specifics here, as I am highly unqualified to talk about any type of geometry, I'd like to offer the fact that different universities have different syllabus. When I was teaching in Jerusalem, the undergraduate set theory course was teaching things that I haven't even seen mentioned in graduate level classes in the UK. So even if we are all in agreement that graduate level questions should be allowed, it still can be tricky sometimes to agree what counts as graduate level exactly. So to that end, let's give people the benefit of the doubt on both sides here. Be nice." CreationDate="2021-12-05T21:47:26.357" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26609" PostId="5182" Score="4" Text="For what it's worth, the questioner did not indicate that &quot;MSE is a site for helping undergraduates cheat&quot; was a throwaway remark; in response to @Z.M's I-thought very proper [remark](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/409645) in defence of MSE, the questioner re-iterated and strengthened their point.  (That does not indicate anything about whether [my comment](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1051226) or anyone else's was appropriate, just that the conversation reads differently—and much better!—with that comment deleted.)" CreationDate="2021-12-06T02:01:53.097" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26614" PostId="5182" Score="4" Text="In fact, I agree that both sides had a confrontational attitude (and, in my opinion, the unnecessary remark about MSE and its reiteration were as unfortunate as the first comment). But, in cases like this, it is rather useless to split hairs, and it is better to calm things down instead of throwing gasoline on the fire." CreationDate="2021-12-06T06:57:08.993" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26616" PostId="5182" Score="8" Text="It’s hypocrisy to chastise a random user for expressing the sentiment that MSE has become a “website devoted to helping undergrads cheat”, when *moderators* of the site themselves acknowledge that this is a serious problem (albeit not in so blunt words): https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/33508/enforcement-of-quality-standards." CreationDate="2021-12-07T09:44:57.640" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26617" PostId="5182" Score="8" Text="@Emil: There is a difference between saying that MSE has a problem with cheating and what was said in that deleted comment. Nobody here pretends that there are no problems on MSE with regards to cheating, but to claim that it's the only thing that is going on that site is offensive to the many of us who are taking part on both communities. You're being very reductive in your comment." CreationDate="2021-12-07T10:07:37.010" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26618" PostId="5182" Score="9" Text="@Emil: well, &quot;devoted to&quot; is different from &quot;sometimes, unfortunately involved with&quot;. To make an example, in Italy we had several problems with corruption, but still it would be unjust to say &quot;Italian people are devoted to corruption&quot;, as there are many honest people. At any rate, I do not think that &quot;chastisement&quot; is the term here, it was rather a clarification." CreationDate="2021-12-07T10:19:35.530" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26619" PostId="5182" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila There is a difference, I know. But it’s easy to see how a casual observer may form such an opinion based on available evidence, and they cannot really be blamed for this. If you want the site to have a better image, then make sure there is more good stuff and less bad stuff visible on the home page. (FWIW, I don’t know what’s in the deleted comment; I am going by the non-deleted comment where it is repeated by the OP.)" CreationDate="2021-12-07T10:23:04.470" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26647" PostId="5182" Score="14" Text="@AlexM. I personally assess MO questions *not* according to how elementary the question seems to me (*especially* if I'm an expert, because then the risk is particularly high that I will rate the question as more elementary than it really is), but to ask whether I could imagine a colleague of mine who works in an entirely different area of mathematics coming to my office and asking me the question. In part, MO is an attempt to virtually replicate the latter situation. If I put it this way, do you agree that one of your colleagues might ask you such an elementary question about connections?" CreationDate="2021-12-13T18:17:21.010" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26589" PostId="5183" Score="6" Text="Maybe a rough rule of thumb is: it's okay to say &quot;this question is not appropriate for MO&quot; (or the same sentiment but more bluntly) to a question that is obviously at undergraduate level; but not to a question that is at graduate level." CreationDate="2021-12-03T19:52:15.927" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26592" PostId="5183" Score="17" Text="If migration to MSE is the right option, I would avoid completely the expression &quot;not appropriate for MO&quot; (that might appear exclusionary, especially to new users) and instead say &quot;possibly more appropriate for MSE&quot;." CreationDate="2021-12-03T22:47:14.220" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26610" PostId="5183" Score="3" Text="I was confused by the strength of the questioner's response, which indicated they seemed to feel told that they were not capable of, or did not perform, research in mathematics, rather than commenting on just one of their questions (whether or not the comment was founded).  I am a tenured professor of mathematics, but that doesn't mean that every mathematics question I ask is research level.  For example, in retrospect I find [Traces and projectors](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/199631) a low-level question that didn't belong here; if someone had told me so, then I wouldn't have minded." CreationDate="2021-12-06T02:03:42.477" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26611" PostId="5183" Score="4" Text="That is to say, I believe that any comments—which perhaps have been made here in MMO, but I believe did not appear on MO—to the effect that a *user* doesn't belong on MO are very much untoward; but I think that one can suggest that a particular *question* doesn't belong on MO without saying anything about the *user*, and much of the upset that followed seemed to come from conflating these two sentiments.  (Again, I pass no judgement on whether the question was appropriate; I am not a geometer.)" CreationDate="2021-12-06T02:08:11.470" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26613" PostId="5183" Score="13" Text="This is a thorny issue, at the root of many of the discussions about &quot;the unpleasantness of MO&quot;  that we had over the years. Many people react to criticisms about their questions as it was criticism about their person (*I was insulted*). But discussing if this is a social problem or not is outside the scope of MO. Our priority is discussing Mathematics in a calm environment, so, from a practical point of view, it is better (if possible) to avoid expressions like &quot;does not belong&quot;, &quot;it is not appropriate&quot; and so on, and use equivalent formulations less likely to hurt people susceptibility." CreationDate="2021-12-06T06:42:03.490" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26615" PostId="5183" Score="13" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi Yes, given what a high percentage of people react in this way, blaming people for doing so is not really productive compared to adapting our language to account for it." CreationDate="2021-12-06T15:07:29.677" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="26635" PostId="5184" Score="4" Text="I have always advocated for the threshold to be: &quot;is this question something that some particular strong second-year graduate student might not be able to easily sort out?&quot; I still think using this threshold and granting the benefit of doubt is generally a good idea." CreationDate="2021-12-08T13:51:13.897" UserId="1847" />
  <row Id="26645" PostId="5184" Score="15" Text="Graduate programs are not uniform: they vary, also in a substantial way, from school to school and from country to country. So the only possible discriminant is common sense. And yes, also common sense can be subjective. Thus the golden rule should be *be respectful, be nice*." CreationDate="2021-12-09T09:40:14.093" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26637" PostId="5186" Score="10" Text="I suspect what's going on with the upvotes is that people are voting up that comment to express disagreement with the previous comment, as it is not possible to downvote a comment. I didn't upvote that comment, but I sometimes upvote one commenter because I think another commenter is being unreasonable and want to show some support. I don't think there are necessarily 8 MSE-haters." CreationDate="2021-12-08T15:05:53.163" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="26632" PostId="5188" Score="1" Text="An older question on this site: [Searching for comments](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3247). For searching only in comments by a specific user you can use something like this: [main](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1074444/comments-by-a-specific-users-containing-a-given-word?userid=41291&amp;word=comment), [meta](https://data.stackexchange.com/meta.mathoverflow/query/1074444/comments-by-a-specific-users-containing-a-given-word?userid=41291&amp;word=comment). However, since you are asking about a way to do this without SEDE, I am leaving this just as a comment (not as an answer)." CreationDate="2021-12-08T08:31:50.477" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26633" PostId="5188" Score="2" Text="In case it is useful, here is also *case insensitive* version of that query: [main](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1261690/comments-by-a-specific-users-containing-the-given-word-case-insensitive?userid=41291&amp;word=comment), [meta](https://data.stackexchange.com/meta.mathoverflow/query/1261690/comments-by-a-specific-users-containing-the-given-word-case-insensitive?userid=41291&amp;word=comment). And I'll also add a link to a related feature request: [Can I search my comments using some keyword(s)?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/148066)" CreationDate="2021-12-08T08:39:59.007" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26621" PostId="5189" Score="3" Text="This seems to me to be of interest limited to one given country." CreationDate="2021-12-07T18:50:03.053" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26623" PostId="5189" Score="0" Text="I don't know, it might be of international interest, if only addressed to an international audience, which I believe is currently not (neither the post, nor the linked page)." CreationDate="2021-12-07T19:54:50.357" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26624" PostId="5189" Score="7" Text="As with everything else on MO, one need not expect that any question or answer would be of interest to everyone." CreationDate="2021-12-07T21:00:59.637" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="26625" PostId="5189" Score="0" Text="@YCor, I edited in hopes of interesting more people." CreationDate="2021-12-07T21:40:32.860" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26626" PostId="5189" Score="0" Text="@MattF. thanks, I appreciate it." CreationDate="2021-12-07T21:41:47.930" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26627" PostId="5189" Score="0" Text="California gave us right turn on red light." CreationDate="2021-12-07T22:56:02.393" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26628" PostId="5189" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson: surely not in Australia?" CreationDate="2021-12-07T23:00:03.313" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="26629" PostId="5189" Score="0" Text="@Lucia, correct, we don't even have left turn on red yet." CreationDate="2021-12-07T23:01:08.820" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26630" PostId="5189" Score="0" Text="@Gerry: I didn't know that Australia had cars. I thought everything is done via Cessna or helicopters." CreationDate="2021-12-07T23:57:58.823" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26631" PostId="5189" Score="3" Text="@Asaf, I usually just hop on a kangaroo to get around, but we still have to obey the road rules." CreationDate="2021-12-08T00:16:40.083" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26648" PostId="5194" Score="2" Text="I think that what you're asking for is notifications when someone upvotes a community wiki answer which you contributed to. Is that correct?" CreationDate="2021-12-17T12:58:22.347" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="26649" PostId="5194" Score="6" Text="It's a bit unclear (at least to me) what is actually asked here. But maybe it is still useful to point out some older posts on [meta.se] which seem related: [Votes to community wiki posts aren't visible in reputation history if there are no &quot;real&quot; reputation events that day](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/349893), [Tracking of Community Wiki upvotes and Comment Upvotes?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/1403), [Add votes on my CW posts to my summary screen](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/42531), etc." CreationDate="2021-12-17T14:37:56.670" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26650" PostId="5196" Score="1" Text="Sounds like the kind of question only a moderator can answer. I know the moderators read meta, but maybe quicker to contact them directly?" CreationDate="2021-12-22T04:49:30.383" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26651" PostId="5196" Score="0" Text="Is it possible that the comment was deleted automatically by the system? This is a rather old post, the behavior might have changed since then: [Don't delete comments with link to duplicate if they are modified](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/141414#195654). According to that post, at the time it worked like this: &quot;Any comment that contains the word &quot;duplicate&quot; and a link to another question is deleted when a question is closed. &quot;" CreationDate="2021-12-22T06:17:41.500" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26652" PostId="5196" Score="3" Text="@GerryMyerson I will just add that every question on meta automatically makes a notification in the moderator inbox (as [confirmed by Todd Trimble](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/46397751#46397751)). When you suggested to contact the moderator directly, did you mean [the email address moderators@mathoverflow.net](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/833/who-are-the-mathoverflow-moderators/834#834)?" CreationDate="2021-12-22T08:03:59.403" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26653" PostId="5196" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5196/is-it-possible-to-find-out-why-a-comment-was-deleted#comment26651_5196) suggestion makes sense, but I'm not sure it applies—the post isn't closed, and my comment literally just *asked* whether it was a duplicate; I didn't supply a link because I couldn't find one.  But maybe it was closed and re-opened?" CreationDate="2021-12-22T14:23:10.493" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26654" PostId="5196" Score="3" Text="I deleted that comment in response to a 'no longer needed' flag, as it did not contain much concrete information (in contrast to Carlo Beenakker's response). Thus, to answer your question -- the comment was in no way inappropriate." CreationDate="2021-12-22T14:28:33.023" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26655" PostId="5196" Score="1" Text="Thanks, @StefanKohl!  Can you leave [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5196/is-it-possible-to-find-out-why-a-comment-was-deleted#comment26654_5196) as an answer so I can mark it accepted, or should I just close this question?" CreationDate="2021-12-22T14:48:20.477" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26656" PostId="5196" Score="0" Text="@Martin, I might have been thinking of math.stackexchange, where there is a chatroom for bringing things to the attention of moderators. Or, flagging a random post for moderator attention." CreationDate="2021-12-22T15:36:16.190" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26657" PostId="5196" Score="1" Text="@LSpice You are welcome! -- Done." CreationDate="2021-12-22T15:52:30.430" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26658" PostId="5196" Score="1" Text="@LSpice The post actually was [closed and then reopened](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/411870/revisions). So I thought that your comment might have been deleted when together with the closure. But since you say that your comment did not contain any link, the mechanism I described above clearly does not apply. (As a side note, would maybe ([meta-tag:deletions]) be suitable here as a tag?)" CreationDate="2021-12-23T17:15:29.000" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26664" PostId="5200" Score="0" Text="Since this question probably has no single 'right' answer, maybe it should be Community Wiki.  Does that exist here on Meta?" CreationDate="2021-12-27T15:40:56.087" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26666" PostId="5200" Score="1" Text="CW works on meta exactly the same way as on the main site. For answers, any user can mark their own post as CW. For questions, this can be only done by mods, see also here: [Community Wiki in the hands of moderators](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/448). (Having said that, I am not really sure this post has to be CW.)" CreationDate="2021-12-27T18:39:11.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26667" PostId="5200" Score="3" Text="Re: *with no indication to the user of what has gone wrong.* The OP should be able to see the banner with the close reason. (The one marked as: &quot;Viewable by the post author and users with the close/reopen votes privilege&quot;.) Often it contains link to some part of help center which has more information." CreationDate="2021-12-27T18:41:48.237" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26668" PostId="5200" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, [sure](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200/how-to-make-welcoming-comments-on-homework-like-posts-that-will-be-closed#comment26667_5200), I think it is possible to seek out information about what has gone wrong, but my impression is that requires a pro-active step by the user, rather than the information being in a sense &quot;in their face&quot;.  Are you saying that it is better *not* to leave a comment?" CreationDate="2021-12-27T18:55:25.630" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26669" PostId="5200" Score="1" Text="I will add a reminder of this thread from 2013: [Comment template for questions more appropriate for MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971)." CreationDate="2021-12-27T19:21:07.973" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26670" PostId="5200" Score="1" Text="From the timeline, I see that your comment got an &quot;unfriendly or unkind&quot; flag which was declined, and in the same time the comment was deleted." CreationDate="2021-12-27T19:23:18.860" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26671" PostId="5200" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200/how-to-make-welcoming-comments-on-homework-like-posts-that-will-be-closed#comment26669_5200)!  Not that you said it did, but that doesn't seem *quite* to answer the question, since I am wondering specifically about questions not appropriate in their current form for MSE.  I guess I could start with tweaking those templates.  (EDIT:  Ah, perhaps [your answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2891) fits even my situation.)" CreationDate="2021-12-27T21:03:38.987" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26672" PostId="5200" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200/how-to-make-welcoming-comments-on-homework-like-posts-that-will-be-closed#comment26670_5200)!  So the comment was flagged (which I can understand—I am not objecting, just trying to do better), the flag was declined, and yet the comment was still deleted?  Since I didn't delete it, what other activity could trigger the deletion?" CreationDate="2021-12-27T21:04:27.720" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26673" PostId="5200" Score="10" Text="Perhaps the questionable premise is that we should be welcoming when people are looking for answers to homework problems." CreationDate="2021-12-27T21:19:27.137" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26674" PostId="5200" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Comments can also be deleted independent of flags which are found to be helpful. -- In fact, most comments which are deleted are deleted because they are not needed any more, or because they don't provide much information, or because they are speculative or too chatty or for similar reasons. Inappropriate comments are fortunately comparatively rare." CreationDate="2021-12-27T22:17:32.267" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26675" PostId="5200" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200/how-to-make-welcoming-comments-on-homework-like-posts-that-will-be-closed#comment26674_5200).  So maybe &quot;inappropriate&quot; is too strong a word, but I still wonder whether there is some routine comment I can make that is useful for the user, or whether all such comments would be so low-content that it would be better if I do not make them." CreationDate="2021-12-27T23:26:31.237" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26680" PostId="5200" Score="3" Text="There are some older discussions related to being welcoming to new users - although they weren't focused specifically on homework questions: [What do we mean by welcoming when we're a site aimed at researchers?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4824), [Should we exercise a bit more tolerance towards newcomers?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3518), [&quot;Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming.&quot; --- are we?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3713) (Those discussions might be somewhat related to @MattF.'s comment.)" CreationDate="2021-12-28T09:08:57.760" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26682" PostId="5200" Score="3" Text="I suggest something like &quot;*Your question seems like a homework problem and, if this is the case, it would be off-topic here.  Please have a look at the help center for more details*&quot; with a link to the help center. In fact, many people seem to take criticism about their questions very personally and to get angry about it, so it is better to use neutral language, avoiding expressions like &quot;not research-level&quot;, &quot;not appropriate&quot;, &quot;low-quality&quot;  or similar ones." CreationDate="2021-12-28T12:43:39.927" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26683" PostId="5200" Score="4" Text="I think it's better to write something like, &quot;You have reached a website intended for questions of math research,&quot; rather than &quot;MO is not for homework.&quot; The latter might read like a slap in the face to the person posting the question, and, anyway, it presumes facts not in evidence." CreationDate="2021-12-28T14:36:10.100" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26684" PostId="5200" Score="2" Text="I do tend to refer to homework when it is obvious that the question was copied and pasted from a problem set written by an instructor (sometimes even listing the credit points)." CreationDate="2021-12-28T17:46:04.263" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26685" PostId="5200" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200/how-to-make-welcoming-comments-on-homework-like-posts-that-will-be-closed#comment26683_5200)!  Unfortunately we have seen that people can also take the (implicit) claim that their question is not research level as a slap in the face …." CreationDate="2021-12-28T23:35:46.397" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26686" PostId="5200" Score="0" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200/how-to-make-welcoming-comments-on-homework-like-posts-that-will-be-closed#comment26682_5200)!  Sometimes people also bridle at the suggestion that their question is homework (it's hard to tell how sincerely)—for example, I seem to remember that the user who asked the question in, well, question, said that it was not homework.  I find it hard to be value neutral in a way that doesn't reference research level and doesn't reference homework …." CreationDate="2021-12-28T23:39:06.967" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26687" PostId="5200" Score="1" Text="OK, how about this: &quot;This site is dedicated to questions of math research. I'm not sure there is a research angle to your question. If there is, please edit something about that angle into your question&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-12-28T23:42:43.403" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26688" PostId="5200" Score="2" Text="[Thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200/how-to-make-welcoming-comments-on-homework-like-posts-that-will-be-closed#comment26687_5200), @GerryMyerson!  I like that.  Would you consider posting it as an answer?" CreationDate="2021-12-29T01:54:31.220" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26689" PostId="5200" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200/how-to-make-welcoming-comments-on-homework-like-posts-that-will-be-closed#comment26680_5200)!  @‍HarryGindi's question [What do we mean by welcoming when we're a site aimed at researchers?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4824) is very close indeed." CreationDate="2021-12-29T01:57:35.877" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26690" PostId="5200" Score="1" Text="Related: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1107/12357" CreationDate="2021-12-29T02:20:12.687" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="26692" PostId="5200" Score="3" Text="There was a recent case where the OP claimed the question wasn't homework, but it was clearly an exercise out of a textbook. Someone who is being proactive and working through exercises off their own back should be commended, but gently pointed to a more appropriate place." CreationDate="2021-12-29T03:48:33.623" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26707" PostId="5200" Score="1" Text="My latest failed effort to be kind to an off-topic poster: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/412529/is-there-an-equation-for-this-type-of-distribution?noredirect=1#comment1058683_412529" CreationDate="2022-01-04T01:35:48.300" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26708" PostId="5200" Score="4" Text="@Gerry I usually say &quot;*original* maths research&quot;, to emphasise its not just learning stuff or figuring out details, and also explicitly say up front this means at or above PhD level." CreationDate="2022-01-04T03:48:27.063" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26676" PostId="5201" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [Are users pingable from questions/answers?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3131/are-users-pingable-from-questions-answers)" CreationDate="2021-12-27T23:28:56.433" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26677" PostId="5201" Score="8" Text="Just to make sure, do you know you're on Meta.MO, not [Meta.MSE](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com), although you appear to be asking about an MSE user?" CreationDate="2021-12-27T23:29:49.650" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26678" PostId="5201" Score="4" Text="Does this answer your question? [How to contact a MathOverflow user?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3634/how-to-contact-a-mathoverflow-user)" CreationDate="2021-12-28T06:36:17.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26679" PostId="5201" Score="2" Text="Since you have mentioned chat, I will add link to this post on [math.meta.se]: [How do I invite a user to chat?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/22037) But you should keep in mind that you can only create a chatroom after you have at least [100 reputation points](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/chat-rooms). To use an existing chatroom, [20 reputation points is enough](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/chat)." CreationDate="2021-12-28T07:57:55.257" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26681" PostId="5201" Score="3" Text="Some people provide contact details / a link to their professional homepage in their profile. People who don't do so may prefer not to be contacted by other people from the site. You can comment on other peoples' posts once you have gathered 50 points, cf. https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/comment ." CreationDate="2021-12-28T09:20:23.433" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26691" PostId="5203" Score="3" Text="I’d replace the middle sentence with a question: “Is there a research angle to your question?”" CreationDate="2021-12-29T03:44:17.227" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26696" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @MattF.!  I like [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200/how-to-make-welcoming-comments-on-homework-like-posts-that-will-be-closed#comment26691_5203) suggestion." CreationDate="2021-12-29T04:57:26.797" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26697" PostId="5203" Score="6" Text="Maybe one might also add a link to the help center, so that the OP can look for themselves about the type of questions that fit with the scope of MO." CreationDate="2021-12-29T08:32:09.283" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26703" PostId="5203" Score="2" Text="Thanks, @FrancescoPolizzi!  I took your advice and @‍MattF.'s:  &quot;This site is dedicated to questions of mathematical research. Is there a research angle to your question? If so, please edit something about that angle into your question. You may also want to consult the [Help Center](http://mathoverflow.net/help) for more information about appropriate posts.&quot; (Included here mainly for the benefit of future C&amp;P me.)" CreationDate="2021-12-30T23:09:24.163" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26715" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="@LSpice If you found a version you're satisfied with, you might add it as an answer - either to this question or here: [Comment template for questions more appropriate for MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971). There are several advantages to having it in an answer rather than just in a comment. (Answers can be edited - so the template can be further improved. You might receive some further suggestions in comments under the answer. And also copy-paste is easier from answer, if you want to copy also MarkDown.)" CreationDate="2022-01-10T06:18:58.353" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26876" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200/how-to-make-welcoming-comments-on-homework-like-posts-that-will-be-closed/5229#comment26715_5203)!  [Done](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5229)." CreationDate="2022-01-24T20:01:05.917" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26833" PostId="5205" Score="0" Text="And since we're playing around with various 2021 stats, here is a query showing [top comments in 2021](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1542871/top-comments-between-two-dates)." CreationDate="2022-01-18T03:14:37.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26706" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="&quot;Silently&quot; is, I guess, an overstatement, but I meant what seems to be the content of your answer:  if users have already clicked through one automated message without reading it in order to ask the question, it seems to me that they are very unlikely to read any automated follow-up message.  Of course, perhaps they will not read any human follow-up, either, but at least it seems more possible.  As to who is to blame … well, I can blame passersby, which will accomplish nothing, or I can try to do better, which might accomplish something, and anyway shouldn't hurt." CreationDate="2022-01-03T23:40:00.037" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26709" PostId="5206" Score="2" Text="To see how the close reason looks like, it suffices to check a few [recent closed questions](https://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=active&amp;q=closed%3a1). AFAIK the message displayed to the OP is the same as the users with sufficient reputation can see. (After all, it says: &quot;Viewable by the post author and users with the close/reopen votes privilege&quot;.) For low level questions, the users typically use one of these two close reasons: &quot;This question does not appear to be about research level mathematics within the scope defined in the help center.&quot; or ..." CreationDate="2022-01-04T08:53:49.910" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26710" PostId="5206" Score="2" Text="...or &quot;MathOverflow is for mathematicians to ask each other questions about their research. See Math.StackExchange to ask general questions in mathematics.&quot;" CreationDate="2022-01-04T08:53:58.427" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26711" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="Since you have also mentioned the information shown before posting the first question, I will add a link to Tim Campion's posts about the wording of this text: [What should the modal window for first-time askers say?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5007)" CreationDate="2022-01-04T08:59:12.533" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26712" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks! I did not link to that thread because, from what I understand, the first-asker information window has changed much since that question was asked, and has incorporated many of the suggestions given there." CreationDate="2022-01-04T09:58:25.097" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="26713" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak And I think you are mistaken, there is additional private feedback text visible only to the post author; for instance, this is displayed on an old closed question of mine: https://i.stack.imgur.com/S4qTq.png ." CreationDate="2022-01-04T10:06:21.163" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="26714" PostId="5206" Score="2" Text="Just in case somebody wants to have a look, I'll add a link to a [related conversation in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/information-shown-to-the-op-after-closure)." CreationDate="2022-01-04T19:34:17.803" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27007" PostId="5208" Score="0" Text="JMM is the  2022 Joint Mathematics Meetings (JMM) originally scheduled to be held in Seattle, January 5-8. https://www.jointmathematicsmeetings.org//jmm" CreationDate="2022-02-25T15:37:20.907" UserId="6129" />
  <row Id="26720" PostId="5209" Score="9" Text="Interestingly, it doesn't seem to happen on Meta itself." CreationDate="2022-01-10T21:31:47.113" UserId="30186" />
  <row Id="26721" PostId="5209" Score="1" Text="The [migration agreement for this site](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4430/120224) allows site mods to deploy their own JavaScript on the site, with the expectation that they'll fix any problems that come up with it. It's possible that some custom script deployed long ago is breaking, though I don't know if there are any custom scripts deployed here." CreationDate="2022-01-10T21:34:02.080" UserId="120224" />
  <row Id="26722" PostId="5209" Score="2" Text="FYI, I just reported this issue a short while ago on the general meta at [On an MathOverflow question, the members' reputation for a question &amp; answer shows briefly but then disappears](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/375010/562482). Note that as far as I can tell, this problem appears to only affect MathOverflow." CreationDate="2022-01-10T21:35:09.467" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="26725" PostId="5209" Score="2" Text="Note that my post was just migrated to this meta site, so it's now at [On a MathOverflow post, the members' reputation for a question &amp; answer shows briefly but then disappears](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5210/129887) instead." CreationDate="2022-01-10T21:41:04.380" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="26727" PostId="5209" Score="7" Text="It seems it is indeed due to a custom script. Per a [comment from Catija](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/375010/on-a-mathoverflow-post-the-members-reputation-for-a-question-answer-shows-br?noredirect=1#comment1249250_375010) on the migration stub of the other post, the site mods just requested to add additional JavaScript to intentionally hide these statistics as part of an experiment." CreationDate="2022-01-10T21:48:25.043" UserId="120224" />
  <row Id="26728" PostId="5209" Score="3" Text="I might also add that a couple years ago, I [proposed this exact same experiment for Stack Overflow](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/367719/experiment-request-temporarily-stop-showing-characteristics-about-a-user-in-the). I think the MO mods saw that post and decided it'd be a good idea to do, and as they could deploy custom JS here, they went ahead and did it." CreationDate="2022-01-10T21:51:55.977" UserId="120224" />
  <row Id="26723" PostId="5210" Score="0" Text="Confirmed, able to reproduce with all user scripts and ad blockers disabled. It seems there's something that's adding a `display: none` style to the relevant parts." CreationDate="2022-01-10T21:25:40.707" UserId="120224" />
  <row Id="26724" PostId="5210" Score="0" Text="@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Thanks for the confirmation. I don't use any user scripts or ad blockers myself, so that's not an issue." CreationDate="2022-01-10T21:26:48.913" UserId="129887" />
  <row Id="26729" PostId="5211" Score="20" Text="The fact that the bar initially loads then disappears draws quite a bit more attention to it than a meta post would." CreationDate="2022-01-11T02:01:04.640" UserId="120224" />
  <row Id="26730" PostId="5211" Score="6" Text="So it seems like the bug is that the reputation info is breifly appearing when pages are loaded, whereas it should no longer appear at all." CreationDate="2022-01-11T02:14:15.547" UserId="4042" />
  <row Id="26731" PostId="5211" Score="1" Text="@gparyani I take your point, but I am not sure that it can be avoided." CreationDate="2022-01-11T02:45:39.763" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="26732" PostId="5211" Score="1" Text="@Dan: Yes, there are a couple of bugs we could not anticipate, due to the integration of the script into the SE system. We hope they will be resolved shortly." CreationDate="2022-01-11T08:07:29.633" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26733" PostId="5211" Score="39" Text="I have no preference regarding showing the reputation or not. I am a bit surprised, though, that this decision has been taken in secrecy by a small group of users and does not follow from some large consultation of the MO userbase. While it may turn out to be a good choice, it is definitely a loss for democracy and transparency. (My bet: the change will have no consequence on the behaviour of users, things at large will stay almost the same.)" CreationDate="2022-01-11T08:39:42.643" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="26734" PostId="5211" Score="17" Text="Expect a dozen or more &quot;bug&quot; reports incoming on various places on the network I guess. I personally think that it is a very poor choice to fall so out of line with the rest of the appearence of the SE network, even though you are able to." CreationDate="2022-01-11T11:21:27.733" UserId="168603" />
  <row Id="26740" PostId="5211" Score="3" Text="@Luuklag: We also don't display the HNQ on the site and instead have the recent badges awarded. I don't hear any complaints about that." CreationDate="2022-01-11T11:58:17.473" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26743" PostId="5211" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila, well that's mainly because the HNQ isn't all that visible for most people, and those can be turned off by default already under a users preferences." CreationDate="2022-01-11T12:00:02.040" UserId="168603" />
  <row Id="26744" PostId="5211" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila: **Luuklag**'s answer is correct: I had deactivated HNQ in my profile a looong time ago, so that I wasn't even aware that it existed." CreationDate="2022-01-11T12:02:05.463" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="26745" PostId="5211" Score="3" Text="**Alex**: MathOverflow exists independently on SE. I don't see the importance of us keeping the same appearance as the rest of the network. There's a reason why individual sites have individual themes, individual looks. Nobody complained when we had the citation script running and the rest of the network didn't. This is a change, I get it. People don't like change. I too get riled up when SE releases a new GUI feature. But you get used to it, and then the old one seems weird. We will fix the bug, you can opt-in  and see reputation points again, and we'll all move on." CreationDate="2022-01-11T12:04:33.173" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26746" PostId="5211" Score="29" Text="@AsafKaragila: Agreed. I'm neither complaining, nor planning to make a fuss about this minor issue - we are grown-ups. I would only like the next such significant change to be discussed with the community in advance, though. Change can be good or bad and can rarely gather a consensus, but it is ethical to be discussed in the open before committing to it." CreationDate="2022-01-11T12:50:44.840" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="26784" PostId="5211" Score="13" Text="I agree with Alex M. Some changes are major and others are minor. Minor changes don't need a lot of public discussion. This change strikes me as a major change; evidently the moderators did not think so. That's fine; moderators have to make judgment calls. However, if users give feedback saying that they regarded a certain change as major, then I don't think the moderators should just brush off that feedback by saying, &quot;This is a change, I get it. People don't like change.&quot; The point is that good leaders try to stay in tune with public opinion. Too much divergence is a recipe for trouble." CreationDate="2022-01-13T18:13:13.383" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26785" PostId="5211" Score="12" Text="In particular, the question isn't whether the change is good or bad, but whether it's the sort of change that users think should be publicly discussed ahead of time. So I think the appropriate response should be something like, &quot;We didn't think that this was a major or controversial change. We hear that some of you think it should have been discussed publicly ahead of time. We'll take that feedback into account the next time we contemplate making a change.&quot;" CreationDate="2022-01-13T18:15:38.813" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26801" PostId="5211" Score="8" Text="I've posted an announcement here: [Viewing reputation and badges is now opt-in and compatible with the new front page](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5218/viewing-reputation-and-badges-is-now-opt-in). I do apologize about the slightly botched roll-out. A fair amount of it is my fault for reasons too dumb to recount. I hear the points above; obviously a more significant change the site, especially one that wasn't easy to opt out of, would require quite a bit more discussion. Certainly, any future experiments will be more carefully synchronized with an announcement of what we are doing." CreationDate="2022-01-16T01:57:59.110" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="28303" PostId="5211" Score="1" Text="@BenWebster I love what you've done here in terms of making the display of rep+badges opt-out. Although I can certainly see drawbacks, I believe *in general* that this is a great idea. I am, in particular, extremely jealous of the fact that your site has an arrangement with SE that allows you to request custom JavaScript code be added at the mod team's discretion. (I'm a moderator on Stack Overflow, and we definitely cannot do this. Getting staff to add/change anything is very difficult.)" CreationDate="2023-02-10T05:25:35.437" UserId="479506" />
  <row Id="28304" PostId="5211" Score="0" Text="I notice you say above that you aren't sure the temporary flashing effect can be avoided. In fact, it most definitely can, with a bit of skill and clever programming. I'd be happy to help if you're interested, and/or point you to some references. Is the JS code that actually does this available online somewhere (e.g., GitHub)? I agree with gparyani that the flashing effect is quite annoying (maybe you get used to it? obviously, I'm not a regular participant here) and that it attracts undue attention to something being hidden (which, of course, humans being humans, tends to make them curious)." CreationDate="2023-02-10T05:26:35.493" UserId="479506" />
  <row Id="26735" PostId="5212" Score="4" Text="There is an opt-in feature, by the way, but it stopped working when we integrated the script into the system for some reason. We hope to resolve this quickly. So there is no need to use ad-blockers for this." CreationDate="2022-01-11T11:26:27.467" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26736" PostId="5212" Score="0" Text="Would that become available here: https://mathoverflow.net/users/preferences/current ?" CreationDate="2022-01-11T11:27:22.193" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="26737" PostId="5212" Score="1" Text="No, it's in the achievement menu. You can see it already, it's just not working for some unclear reason." CreationDate="2022-01-11T11:33:13.457" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26738" PostId="5212" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila There isn't anything there for me: https://i.stack.imgur.com/kCCeZ.png" CreationDate="2022-01-11T11:56:41.000" UserId="168603" />
  <row Id="26739" PostId="5212" Score="4" Text="@Luuklag: The script is not active on meta. You're on meta. (As I said, that feature doesn't work at the moment anyway, and once it's resolved we'll make a more orderly announcement with screenshots and explanations.)" CreationDate="2022-01-11T11:57:00.953" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26741" PostId="5212" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila it doesn't show on the main site either, at least for me. But I'll be patient :)" CreationDate="2022-01-11T11:58:40.883" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="26742" PostId="5212" Score="0" Text="seconded @Glorfindel" CreationDate="2022-01-11T11:58:53.813" UserId="168603" />
  <row Id="26750" PostId="5212" Score="1" Text="@Luuklag I see there &quot;privileges&quot;, &quot;badges&quot;, &quot;show rep&quot;: https://i.stack.imgur.com/Jp26e.png" CreationDate="2022-01-11T15:36:08.827" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26751" PostId="5212" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I still don't. It's either a caching issue, or perhaps tied to reputation?" CreationDate="2022-01-11T15:38:57.150" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="26752" PostId="5212" Score="4" Text="For me it shows up on the main site, and it kind of works, in that clicking it makes reputation appear in all user cards on the current page, but the setting is not permanent (going to another page, or even just reloading the current one, makes reputation disappear again). That’s not very useful: I can as well click on the relevant user links to see their reputation with much the same effort. Not to mention discoverability (this is just about the last place where I’d expect this setting to reside, it’s completely counterintuitive)." CreationDate="2022-01-11T15:39:22.643" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26753" PostId="5212" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek ah, of course, I'm a victim of my own workaround. After removing the ad block rule, I see it too, but it's broken, just as you describe." CreationDate="2022-01-11T15:45:54.073" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="26754" PostId="5212" Score="1" Text="(As I keep saying... some unexpected bugs came up when we integrated the script into the SE code.)" CreationDate="2022-01-11T16:09:47.223" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26755" PostId="5212" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel: Hoisted with your own petard, I see. :)" CreationDate="2022-01-11T16:10:30.473" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26756" PostId="5212" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila looks like the opt-in switch is simply not remembered? That's going to be difficult with just JavaScript, it can store something in local storage but that only affects a single page. (But again, I'll be patient :))" CreationDate="2022-01-11T16:14:54.463" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="26757" PostId="5212" Score="2" Text="@Glorfindel: Yes. It's not true that local storage only affects a single page. In the tests we had using a userscript, it worked fine throughout the site. I am guessing that something in the SE code structure throws a wrench into the design of the script. And it makes sense, since userscripts are overlays, and this is more of a &quot;built-in patch&quot;. So, something causes a reset of the variable almost instantly, which means that the setting is not cached into the local storage correctly." CreationDate="2022-01-11T16:16:58.467" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26774" PostId="5212" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila, [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5209/reputation-and-badges-are-no-longer-visible-next-to-the-users-names#comment26755_5212) is one of those &quot;[peace in/for our time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time)&quot; phrases: actually it's &quot;[hoist with his own petard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard)&quot;." CreationDate="2022-01-12T22:06:02.080" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26775" PostId="5212" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila Whatever the issue was, it seems to have been resolved now (at least for me): hitting &quot;show rep&quot; correctly makes the setting stay that way after changing pages." CreationDate="2022-01-12T23:32:20.007" UserId="30186" />
  <row Id="26776" PostId="5212" Score="0" Text="@Wojowu: Indeed." CreationDate="2022-01-13T00:34:22.073" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26777" PostId="5212" Score="0" Text="@Emil: I forgot to comment on your remark that the placement of the &quot;show rep&quot; is the last place you'd expect. Since this is a client-side script, and not a server-side setting, the goal was to put it in a place where it's easily accessible from any page, rather than requiring you to navigate into some profile setting. If you have a better idea, I'm all ears (although I can't promise that we'll implement it)." CreationDate="2022-01-13T00:45:58.707" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26778" PostId="5212" Score="0" Text="Indeed, the opt-in feature seems to work now. My two cents: I guess that people caring about reputation will probably choose to opt-in, so I'm not sure that this modification will make significant changes in behavior in the long run." CreationDate="2022-01-13T06:45:50.763" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="26779" PostId="5212" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Why yes, a profile setting would have been the most obvious. But another intuitive option is to put it in each user card, in the place previously occupied by reputation. It does not have to be an obnoxious link saying “show rep”, an inconspicuous symbol with a tooltip would be enough, if you don’t want to draw attention to it." CreationDate="2022-01-13T09:35:56.810" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26780" PostId="5212" Score="0" Text="A profile setting would also synchronize between browsers - this one doesn't. But I'm happy it works now :)" CreationDate="2022-01-13T09:44:56.470" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="26781" PostId="5212" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel: Again, client side script. If I had access to server side scripts, you can absolutely believe that I would have made this a server side setting. The client is not *you* as a person, it is your browser, and the session it runs, at that." CreationDate="2022-01-13T09:59:05.717" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26782" PostId="5212" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi The modification gives people like me a chance to realize they do not care about other posters’ reputation nearly as much as they might have thought. Whether this will make a measurable difference, I can’t tell." CreationDate="2022-01-13T10:11:29.717" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26783" PostId="5212" Score="0" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi: In addition to what Emil wrote above, let me share that I was first very much in favour of moderators being opted in by default, but after spending some time opted out during the test period, I decided that I will opt out as well, since it turned out that the type of moderation on this site is one that rarely makes the reputation relevant (and you can always open a profile page and see whatever is to see)." CreationDate="2022-01-13T12:09:17.060" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26787" PostId="5213" Score="0" Text="Was it [this question](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3433841/what-is-an-example-of-a-sequence-which-thins-out-and-is-finite)?" CreationDate="2022-01-14T14:31:19.803" UserId="327983" />
  <row Id="26788" PostId="5213" Score="0" Text="yep.  (i have my answer now thoguh)" CreationDate="2022-01-14T14:35:44.437" UserId="110603" />
  <row Id="26789" PostId="5213" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I thought I'll just put it here so that if others could access it. I don't know enough about MO to know how it would be received here, but it was well-received on MSE because the breadth offered by the question wasn't enough for closure (maybe) but was definitely large enough for many posters to have a good go at it. This question is better suited for MSE than MO in my opinion, although at MO you may get more sophisticated answers. I've voted up your question there : if you need additional attention on MSE, consider placing a bounty with a message." CreationDate="2022-01-14T14:39:16.420" UserId="327983" />
  <row Id="26790" PostId="5213" Score="0" Text="no no, it was well-received on MSE and i was happy with the answers.  i was just curious as to what MO users might also say (but curious enough so to really want to post it)" CreationDate="2022-01-14T17:37:35.823" UserId="110603" />
  <row Id="26791" PostId="5213" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the response." CreationDate="2022-01-14T18:15:36.447" UserId="327983" />
  <row Id="26747" PostId="5214" Score="0" Text="thanks for your answer.&#xA;&#xA;1 - i'll look.  but i disagree with the second part - i would like to hear insight of many active overflow users who (i'd guess) would have an opinion on it, but who i just don't know if they've seen the question.&#xA;&#xA;2 - of course.&#xA;&#xA;3 - sure.&#xA;&#xA;4 - ok:)&#xA;&#xA;from this, i feel i'd be allowed to cross-post (once i've addressed 2 and 3).  so ye, i guess i'll try it.&#xA;&#xA;thanks again:)" CreationDate="2022-01-11T14:43:19.363" UserId="110603" />
  <row Id="26763" PostId="5214" Score="0" Text="(&quot;i disagree with the second part&quot; - i guess i missed the bit where you then said &quot;maybe there is...&quot;)" CreationDate="2022-01-12T10:04:09.387" UserId="110603" />
  <row Id="26792" PostId="5215" Score="3" Text="the comparison 2020/2021 shows a five-fold increase in the number of posts deleted by moderators (while this number remained roughly the same for community deletions); I presume this does not include spam deletions; since deletions tend to be quite disruptive, I would prefer to see these in response to votes by users rather than by super-user action." CreationDate="2022-01-14T21:30:37.070" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="26798" PostId="5215" Score="2" Text="@CarloBeenakker It would take some more analysis to get to the bottom of this, but one thing to keep in mind is that this year there was an [influx of ridiculous spam users](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4987/influx-of-ridiculous-number-of-spam-users-what-to-do) which forced us to [(temporarily, but it's been months now) stop showing bronze badges on the front page](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4993/filtering-out-the-autobiographer-badge-from-recent-badges). Most of these users did not post, but it's possible that there was also a rise in posts by spam users." CreationDate="2022-01-15T16:43:18.730" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26799" PostId="5215" Score="2" Text="Indeed, you'll notice that there was a similar rise in the number of users destroyed, which is an indication of the level of spam activity." CreationDate="2022-01-15T16:47:12.847" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26793" PostId="5216" Score="1" Text="There is a feature request about this on [meta.se]: [Track next Socratic badge progress](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/271984). You might check the answers posted there to see whether there are some suggestions which might be useful. (And, of course, you can upvote that feature request if you think that it's a good idea.) Here is another related post: [How can we see our progress towards the next Socratic badge?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/328778) (The answer posted there suggests a SEDE query which could be considered as an estimate.)" CreationDate="2022-01-15T15:01:59.973" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26794" PostId="5216" Score="2" Text="There is also this post on Meta Stack Overflow: [I would like to track my next Socratic badge](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/318148). You wrote in the question: &quot;I've seen a script for another Overflow site&quot;. Maybe if you include a link to the place where you saw it, somebody might be able to say whether it is possible to get it working on MO." CreationDate="2022-01-15T15:07:46.093" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26795" PostId="5216" Score="0" Text="Thanks - this script seems to work: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/919952/socratic-badge-progress  I guess I must have asked two well-received questions on the same day at least a dozen times :(" CreationDate="2022-01-15T15:08:40.640" UserId="398" />
  <row Id="26796" PostId="5216" Score="0" Text="When putting [your userid in the query from the preceding comment](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/919952/socratic-badge-progress?userid=398), I see 192 days." CreationDate="2022-01-15T15:30:18.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26800" PostId="5216" Score="0" Text="OK, eleven times." CreationDate="2022-01-15T23:15:52.950" UserId="398" />
  <row Id="26809" PostId="5218" Score="22" Text="+1 from me for making this announcement. (The fact that there is some official announcement from the mods is definitely a positive thing - regardless of whether the users view this change as useful or not.)" CreationDate="2022-01-16T11:25:16.953" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26843" PostId="5218" Score="2" Text="Just to report a possible bug: It doesn't show me the show-rep option on the user page, as on the screenshot. It only shows up after I click on privileges first." CreationDate="2022-01-19T15:18:43.417" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="26849" PostId="5218" Score="0" Text="@domotorp: I can't seem to reproduce this." CreationDate="2022-01-20T17:08:44.017" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26850" PostId="5218" Score="6" Text="@domotorp the &quot;show rep&quot; is only applicable on the main site, not meta. When you click &quot;privileges&quot; you are brought to the main site, so the &quot;show rep&quot; becomes visible." CreationDate="2022-01-20T19:26:02.140" UserId="73860" />
  <row Id="26851" PostId="5218" Score="0" Text="You are right !" CreationDate="2022-01-20T19:40:36.777" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="26853" PostId="5218" Score="0" Text="The reputation seems to show again, even if I have not opted in, immediately after editing." CreationDate="2022-01-22T02:42:01.567" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26859" PostId="5218" Score="1" Text="@LSpice: in fact, for me, the reputation under a user's name flashes for a second (and then is removed) whenever I load any question." CreationDate="2022-01-23T17:23:04.817" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26867" PostId="5218" Score="2" Text="@SamHopkins, [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/26859) [appears to be a known but unfixable bug](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/26729) (see also [On a MathOverflow post, the members' reputation for a question &amp; answer shows briefly but then disappears](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5210)), whereas the issue I mention seems [potentially fixable](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/26858)." CreationDate="2022-01-24T00:33:14.823" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26885" PostId="5218" Score="5" Text="StackExchange has rolled out a new layout update to the main pages. It seems that the script no longer works on them. It still works on question pages and searches." CreationDate="2022-01-25T00:53:15.253" UserId="30186" />
  <row Id="26912" PostId="5218" Score="2" Text="@Wojowu We are working on it.  The main issue at the moment is that if we implement a fix now, they might break it again, so we're waiting until the main page is stabilized." CreationDate="2022-01-26T02:36:41.370" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="26913" PostId="5218" Score="5" Text="Oh, I’m sure it will remain completely stable now. After all, it is styled with *class=&quot;todo-no-class-here&quot;*." CreationDate="2022-01-26T16:07:19.410" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26963" PostId="5218" Score="1" Text="This posting says &quot;we (the moderators and board) have implemented...&quot;. What is &quot;the board&quot;?" CreationDate="2022-02-09T18:42:16.743" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="26969" PostId="5218" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHardy I mean the board of the MO LLC; see the longer explanation here: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/970/66.  That is almost the same as the set of moderators, but not quite." CreationDate="2022-02-10T20:22:50.460" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="27155" PostId="5218" Score="1" Text="Apparently, the top bar was slightly redesigned today. As a consequence, my *own* reputation and badges in the top bar are now hidden, too (they show up for a split second, and then disappear while the search bar is widened, so the behaviour is actually rather annoying)." CreationDate="2022-03-30T09:52:47.380" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26802" PostId="5219" Score="1" Text="There is also the [Precognitive badge](https://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/61/precognitive). But I'd hope that badges are not the main motivation why people joint the site." CreationDate="2022-01-16T04:36:05.813" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26803" PostId="5219" Score="4" Text="@MartinSleziak I think it's too late for them to get that badge, because they'd have to have followed the proposal at the &quot;definition stage&quot; to get that badge, but now that stage is over and we're in the &quot;commitment stage&quot;." CreationDate="2022-01-16T04:37:43.527" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="26837" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="Is the private beta actually open?" CreationDate="2022-01-19T01:07:38.420" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26838" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts &quot;Stack Exchange will soon create the Private Beta site for Proof Assistants and Automatic Theorem Provers&quot; -- it's been 2 days since I said that and the situation is still the same!" CreationDate="2022-01-19T01:09:29.103" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="26839" PostId="5219" Score="2" Text="I think the title needs updating, then. It implies the beta's already open, by my reading." CreationDate="2022-01-19T04:20:39.197" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26840" PostId="5219" Score="6" Text="@DavidRoberts I hadn't noticed that the title had been edited by Federico Poloni to mention the Beta in it. I had never put the word &quot;Beta&quot; in the title, but unfortunately it seem that we don't get notifications when people edit our posts on *Meta*." CreationDate="2022-01-19T05:13:38.883" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="26879" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="@NikeDattani Sorry, I misread (and saw your comment only now, there was no notification). I still suggest that the title should contain a verb to be more informative, though: what is happening to this new SE site? What is the news here? I'd suggest to add &quot;...to open private beta&quot;, or &quot;...will open private beta&quot; if you agree." CreationDate="2022-01-24T22:44:06.370" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="26880" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni several highly experienced Stack Exchange users have seen the title and even made edits that improved it, but none (other than you) have added an additional verb to it like you suggest. The title is only to catch people's attention while not being deceiving, and the body of the post is where all the information lives. The first sentence of the post &quot;Stack Exchange will soon create the Private Beta site for Proof Assistants and Automatic Theorem Provers&quot; contains the &quot;verb&quot; that you seem to desire." CreationDate="2022-01-24T22:52:34.800" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="26914" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="Most posts here on Meta similar to yours either have a verb or specify clearly at which stage their site is with the word &quot;proposal&quot;: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1414/, https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2430/, https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1512/, https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1648/, https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1426/ (exception https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4321/, currently at -4 score)." CreationDate="2022-01-26T16:58:37.583" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="26915" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="^ There's bigger things to worry about than that." CreationDate="2022-01-26T17:51:23.290" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="26960" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="A similar announcement on [math.meta.se]: [New stack exchange site: for interactive theorem provers and automatic theorem provers](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/34489)" CreationDate="2022-02-09T07:31:58.423" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26811" PostId="5220" Score="7" Text="Yes, when I see a question on the front page posted by a 101 rep or a 1 rep user that seems even close to borderline, I would normally check it. Other than this I am in a position where I can ignore people's rep." CreationDate="2022-01-16T11:36:19.013" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26812" PostId="5220" Score="6" Text="With respect to new users, the banner thing indicating a new user is still there. This should also be the case for 1 and 101 rep users, if they are indeed new. As for spammers, I have no known that reputation was a feature. Normally the username or content of their posts is what makes people flag them. For the userscripts, well, just opt back in." CreationDate="2022-01-16T11:54:20.273" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26813" PostId="5220" Score="5" Text="@AsafKaragila I was talking about the list of questions - there's no banner about new users. (That banner is only displayed when you have opened the page with a single question, not on the page showing the most recent questions.) The same goes for a spammers - especially if they posted it as an answer, like [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/882/how-to-write-a-good-mathoverflow-question/4067#4067) or [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1608/physicsoverflow-just-in-2014-went-live/5108#5108). you have to go to the answer to see what's going on." CreationDate="2022-01-16T12:07:56.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26814" PostId="5220" Score="1" Text="@Martin: Would you have recognised that these answers are spam *only* because the user had 1 point? Without looking at the answer? Would it be less spam if my account was the one who had posted it? (I see your point on the questions list, but maybe it means that we should be a bit more welcoming to new users as a whole and look at their questions?)" CreationDate="2022-01-16T12:10:00.053" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26815" PostId="5220" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila It seems that I did not manage to make clear what I am trying to say. Perhaps we could [continue in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2022/1/16) - to prevent this comment thread from getting longer and longer while going in circles." CreationDate="2022-01-16T12:12:42.240" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26816" PostId="5220" Score="8" Text="I should add that without some way of knowing a priori if a question on something I'm not interested in is from a new user, I'm not going to click through to read it." CreationDate="2022-01-16T21:50:57.210" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26842" PostId="5223" Score="1" Text="In case it is useful for some people reading this, I will add a link to a previous discussion on this meta where your script was brought up: [Are edits performed by external, non-SE robots allowed?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4057)" CreationDate="2022-01-19T12:34:29.207" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26846" PostId="5223" Score="0" Text="I found _a_ paper that one might think corresponds to the arXiv Front identifier `0309.3208`, namely https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0309208, but the topic is wrong. It might be https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0309108, but then I can't see how the identifier transforms. Looking at https://web.archive.org/web/20071012191626/http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/math.CO/0309, the paper `math/0309108` has url link containing `0309.5108`." CreationDate="2022-01-20T03:07:50.943" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26847" PostId="5223" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts thanks. We shouldn't discount the possibility that the link was/is wrong to begin with ..." CreationDate="2022-01-20T06:31:06.377" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="26848" PostId="5223" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel True, but unexpected! I was surprised to see the 90s papers in your list, and then doubly so when I checked the progress I'd made on manual edits and saw I'd crossed off a bunch in that format!" CreationDate="2022-01-20T11:58:38.210" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26852" PostId="5223" Score="0" Text="I fixed the ones in answers with `front.math.ucdavis.edu/math` in the urls from my last comment. The _comments_ with links like this had been fixed by Asaf, and so in the bump of Martin's answer I'd missed that they weren't crossed off." CreationDate="2022-01-21T00:09:49.923" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27157" PostId="5223" Score="2" Text="Thanks for all your help on this! It would have taken a lot longer, otherwise..." CreationDate="2022-03-30T11:38:44.040" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27178" PostId="5223" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts you're welcome, it was a pleasure. Thanks for your efforts as well!" CreationDate="2022-04-13T19:16:23.700" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="26858" PostId="5225" Score="5" Text="I will look further into this. I admit that of all the other things, I did not test how edits (and &quot;soft reloads&quot;) interact with the script." CreationDate="2022-01-22T18:00:16.600" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26886" PostId="5225" Score="2" Text="Just as an update, I have fixed the problem, but with the new page rollout (which I've also fixed), I think it's probably wise to give it a few more days for SE to settle down before making updates to the script. I don't want it to break *again* over some follow-up change." CreationDate="2022-01-25T10:04:59.453" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26908" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila, [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5225/reputation-displays-after-an-edit-even-if-opted-out#comment26886_5225) means that it is expected behaviour that I am currently still seeing the issue, right?" CreationDate="2022-01-25T22:32:21.420" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26909" PostId="5225" Score="2" Text="Yes. That means that we still haven't rolled out the fix, and it may take a few more days. Honestly, if I had known about the new page design, I would have delayed the deployment of the original script a bit longer. But, it is what it is." CreationDate="2022-01-25T22:33:29.473" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26877" PostId="5230" Score="5" Text="It seems that highlighting of &quot;watched tags&quot; has broken." CreationDate="2022-01-24T22:25:46.540" UserId="406" />
  <row Id="26878" PostId="5230" Score="4" Text="@MatthewDaws Good catch. Apparently particular bugs are to be reported on the [post summary meta question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/375081/new-post-summary-designs-on-greatest-hits-now-everywhere-else-eventually?cb=1). It appears somebody else has [noticed this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/375479/289078) too." CreationDate="2022-01-24T22:27:38.223" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26881" PostId="5230" Score="3" Text="Why would you ask this here rather than first doing initial research on Meta.SE? Isn't initial research required before asking a question?" CreationDate="2022-01-24T22:53:53.917" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="26882" PostId="5230" Score="16" Text="@NikeDattani it's certainly useful for users of MO that it's recorded and discussed here." CreationDate="2022-01-24T22:56:46.483" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26883" PostId="5230" Score="0" Text="@YCor Fair enough. I didn't know it's acceptable to ask a question without doing an appropriate amount of prior research, whether or not the outcome becomes useful. Is this only the case on Meta or also on the Main site? I haven't used MathOverflow as much as other SE sites." CreationDate="2022-01-24T23:59:27.673" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="26884" PostId="5230" Score="12" Text="@NikeDattani As I indicated in the question, I wasn't able to find this information on Meta.SE. I didn't know that the correct keyword to search was &quot;post summary&quot;. FWIW, besides searching a few possible terms, I also scrolled broadly through the front page of Meta.SE, but again I didn't know what terms I was looking for. I also looked at the headlines on &quot;featured on meta&quot;, but somehow I concluded that &quot;post summary&quot; was unlikely to be related to this. Sure, it was not the best-executed prior research, but it was prior research." CreationDate="2022-01-25T00:24:55.203" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26888" PostId="5230" Score="1" Text="Just to clarify - the &quot;front page&quot; in this post refers to this page: https://mathoverflow.net/ right? Not to https://mathoverflow.net/questions." CreationDate="2022-01-25T14:27:40.513" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26891" PostId="5230" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak: the mathoverflow.net/questions formatting looks much better than the mathoverflow.net formatting to me!" CreationDate="2022-01-25T16:33:26.213" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26892" PostId="5230" Score="0" Text="So now the ratio of votes is not very visible. On the other hand the &quot;watched&quot; tag is highly visible, in color background. I assume it appears if a single user &quot;watches&quot; the question (= clicks the star), is that correct? That's absurd and counterproductive." CreationDate="2022-01-25T17:05:44.990" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26893" PostId="5230" Score="3" Text="@YCor My impression is that &quot;watched&quot; appears if it includes one of your watched tags?" CreationDate="2022-01-25T17:39:05.507" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26894" PostId="5230" Score="3" Text="@TimCampion ah, wow I hadn't even realized. So, well, they replaced an efficient way to visualize things with a poor inefficient one. The worst is that one could imagine we could be able to customize these things. But they preferred the vandalism option... too bad. Now, let's get used to it..." CreationDate="2022-01-25T17:48:47.540" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26897" PostId="5230" Score="4" Text="The colored background seems to be back..." CreationDate="2022-01-25T19:32:27.540" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26898" PostId="5230" Score="0" Text="They also seem to have moved the votes to the top of the post summary panel, above the number of answers." CreationDate="2022-01-25T19:33:32.230" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26901" PostId="5230" Score="1" Text="With the new format it seems to default to active questions and I don't even see how to find new questions.  But my bookmark to the https://mathoverflow.net/questions seems to overcome this for now" CreationDate="2022-01-25T20:20:44.553" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="26904" PostId="5230" Score="2" Text="&quot;I'm disappointed that nobody at Stack Exchange thought to mention these imminent changes&quot; that is a false and negative statement about SE. &quot;I wasn't able to find this information on Meta.SE&quot; doesn't mean you spent adequate time looking for it, I usually ask in the TavernOnMeta chat room if I can't find something on Meta.SE. Since this was a network-wide change, and you would have noticed that when searching Meta.SE, why did you ask on a site-Meta rather than on Meta.SE? Also &quot;New post summary **designs on site home pages**...&quot; was clearly featured on Meta, not just &quot;post summary&quot;." CreationDate="2022-01-25T22:08:26.947" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="26905" PostId="5230" Score="1" Text="@YCor It's true that having a discussion here is useful, but that could still have happened if the question was something like &quot;what do people think about [these new changes to the front page?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/375081/391772)&quot;. I think one ought to make sure they are correct before saying something like &quot;nobody at Stack Exchange thought to mention these imminent changes&quot;. That's just my opinion." CreationDate="2022-01-25T22:13:51.367" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="26906" PostId="5230" Score="10" Text="@NikeDattani The statement you quoted is indeed a negative statement about Stack Exchange, but it is not false. I am referring to the fact that in the course of writing the code to hide reputation, there was specific back and forth with the Stack Exchange developers. In the course of those discussions, there was no mention of these imminent changes." CreationDate="2022-01-25T22:20:34.063" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26907" PostId="5230" Score="2" Text="@TimCampion let's not split hairs here. It's not true that &quot;nobody at Stack Exchange thought to mention these imminent changes&quot; because they did make a featured post on the network-wide Meta. They're not going to individually tell mods from ~180 different sites, even if one of those sites was in a back-and-forth conversation with them. They didn't have any sinister intentions here. Was the person speaking back-and-forth with you, even the same person that made the Meta post? I would just recommend to ask in the TavernOnMeta first, and make the post look less like an attack on SE next time." CreationDate="2022-01-25T22:25:57.923" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="26910" PostId="5230" Score="7" Text="@NikeDattani Thanks for the advice. I agree that this post was written hastily. Your willingness to defend the honor of SE is admirable, but nobody has suggested any kind of &quot;sinister intentions&quot; in any of the posts or comments here. In fact I think if you reread posts and comments, you'll find that most of the language is quite matter-of-fact. There's certainly no reason one can't express frustration, disappointment, other emotions regarding SE on this or any other SE site." CreationDate="2022-01-25T22:41:31.313" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26911" PostId="5230" Score="1" Text="This post gave off the feel that SE did something &quot;silently&quot; without at least making an announcement about it, and that this was sinister, but I agree that the suggestion of sinister intentions was not explicitly made, and I agree that how to interpret the post is subjective." CreationDate="2022-01-25T22:47:22.690" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="27850" PostId="5230" Score="0" Text="Just venting: the main page is being completely overtaken by modified posts, some of them over a decade old." CreationDate="2022-10-15T16:07:21.957" UserId="35482" />
  <row Id="26946" PostId="5231" Score="0" Text="As of today (Feb 7), I find the mobile viewing especially bad. I’m not motivated to scan questions surrounded by so much other stuff in so many other colors." CreationDate="2022-02-07T10:11:51.053" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26887" PostId="5233" Score="5" Text="Echoing the sentiment that these changes have made the site much less usable for me. It's possible that it'll just take some adjustment time and then I'll be fine with it, but at the moment I'm not sure." CreationDate="2022-01-25T13:51:58.920" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26889" PostId="5233" Score="6" Text="It might be helpful to be a bit more specific about what's not working well. After all, so far as I can tell there were no functional changes at all -- only cosmetic changes to how certain information is presented. I too find the changes jarring, but we've heard this song before -- eventually we generally get used to things." CreationDate="2022-01-25T15:00:57.317" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26890" PostId="5233" Score="10" Text="@TimCampion: for me I think the most difficult thing to get used to is that the number of votes of the question is not more prominently displayed. I believe my brain is used to using the number of votes as a quick way of determining whether the question is: new or old; popular/interesting or bad/not worth my time; etc." CreationDate="2022-01-25T15:17:07.183" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26895" PostId="5233" Score="8" Text="Yeah, it seems we're not alone in not liking this. The [announcement on meta](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/375081/new-post-summary-designs-on-site-home-pages-and-greatest-hits-now-everywhere-el) has a net -331 downvotes currently :). There's some spirited discussion over there of the drawbacks!" CreationDate="2022-01-25T17:53:48.733" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26896" PostId="5233" Score="2" Text="@TimCampion: and it looks like one of the top specific complaints is the same as what I mentioned-- the scores of the questions are not visible enough." CreationDate="2022-01-25T17:57:57.877" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="26899" PostId="5233" Score="6" Text="@TimCampion, with SE's &quot;we hear you, and it turns out we know better about everything&quot; attitude, hundreds of downvotes on major-change announcements is just par for the course for them." CreationDate="2022-01-25T19:49:48.527" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26900" PostId="5233" Score="0" Text="As usual, they're touting various &quot;streamlining&quot;-type benefits, and maybe they have a point -- in order to make these tweaks in response to feedback so quickly, it must have been pretty technically simple. If the norm is going to continue to be to introduce changes system-wide with minimal beta-testing, then I suppose it's at least a good thing if this sort of &quot;tweak rapidly in response to feedback&quot; is also part of the norm." CreationDate="2022-01-25T19:55:31.560" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="26903" PostId="5233" Score="1" Text="Now we just need to get the font on the numbers changed to a readable size and we'd be in business." CreationDate="2022-01-25T21:42:36.117" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="27589" PostId="5234" Score="1" Text="Sometimes strange TeX things happen when they depend on the order things are processed.  The order answers are shown in is changed by the system sometimes, which may change whether macros appear to the Mathjax engine before their definition." CreationDate="2022-08-14T12:11:36.937" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27590" PostId="5234" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar, that definitely used to be the case, but each post is now in its own group, so that definitions from one post cannot leak into another.  Indeed, this is the case upon refresh:  definitions from one post, even from the question which always comes first, do not have any effect on answers that appear later.  However, it does *not* happen immediately after submitting an edit (as can be checked reliably by the kind of fiddling I describe in my update).  (Also, the originally reported bug was happening even *before* the re-definition—though unreliably.)" CreationDate="2022-08-14T13:36:30.240" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26919" PostId="5238" Score="0" Text="There was this recent announcement: [Viewing reputation and badges is now opt-in](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5218) And this post a bit before that: [Reputation and badges are no longer visible next to the users' names](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5209). IIRC at the time of the announcement, the badges were hidden in the list of the question, but still shown when displaying a question. Let's hope we'll hear from the mods whether the change was intentional." CreationDate="2022-01-31T04:45:13.243" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26920" PostId="5238" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Given that a mod has answered the second, and posted the first, I'll assume it's an intentional change - either way, I;ve flagged this as a duplicate of the second" CreationDate="2022-01-31T04:51:25.157" UserId="168573" />
  <row Id="26921" PostId="5238" Score="0" Text="[Reputation and badges are no longer visible next to the users' names](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5209) - now that I looked in the screenshot here, it seems that it was hidden from the start in both places. So I remembered it incorrectly." CreationDate="2022-01-31T04:58:11.923" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26924" PostId="5239" Score="6" Text="For people reading your question on meta, it might be useful to add also a link to that question. I would guess you might have meant this one: [What would characterise an ''Aristotelian topological space'?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/415093)? (As a side note, it is currently in the [reopen review queue](https://mathoverflow.net/review/reopen/159748).)" CreationDate="2022-02-01T05:18:42.260" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26925" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@Martin Sleziak: I would normally, but my smartphone is playing up, makimg it difficult to copy and paste text, so I didn't bother." CreationDate="2022-02-01T05:21:32.127" UserId="35706" />
  <row Id="26927" PostId="5239" Score="7" Text="Why do you say your question was probably closed by a moderator, when it says right there on the question, &quot;Closed 2 hours ago by Ryan Budney, abx, Alexandre Eremenko, Moishe Kohan, Lee Mosher.&quot;?" CreationDate="2022-02-01T06:47:07.740" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26928" PostId="5239" Score="1" Text="@Gerry Myersin: Because it didn't give those names when I looked at the post, hence I assumed it closed by a moderator." CreationDate="2022-02-01T06:49:07.983" UserId="35706" />
  <row Id="26929" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@Gerry Myerson: It still doesn't mention those names when I go back to the post." CreationDate="2022-02-01T06:50:48.853" UserId="35706" />
  <row Id="26930" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="Really? I don't understand how I can see it, when you can't. Doesn't make sense to me." CreationDate="2022-02-01T07:23:16.237" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26931" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@Gerry Myerson: Yes, really! I just checked again, and I can't see them." CreationDate="2022-02-01T07:25:22.533" UserId="35706" />
  <row Id="26932" PostId="5239" Score="3" Text="If you are not logged in, then you cannot see notices like that (listing of who closed it)." CreationDate="2022-02-01T09:43:47.877" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="26933" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@Gerald Edgar: I am logged in - it shows my name!" CreationDate="2022-02-01T10:35:00.373" UserId="35706" />
  <row Id="26934" PostId="5239" Score="4" Text="Even if you're not logged in, you should see the names of the close voter  in the [revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/415093/revisions) and [in the timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/415093/timeline). The banner at the top of the post clearly says &quot;Viewable by the post author and users with the close/reopen votes privilege&quot;. Here is a screenshot showing what I see: https://i.stack.imgur.com/abJzC.png Unless you're accessing MO in some non-standard way, if the names are not displayed to you, it could be reported as a bug." CreationDate="2022-02-01T10:49:18.967" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26935" PostId="5239" Score="2" Text="BTW do you see the names of close voters when you look at your questions on other sites, for example [Philosophy](https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/q/22996), [Politics](https://politics.stackexchange.com/q/23122) or [Physics](https://physics.stackexchange.com/q/224051)?" CreationDate="2022-02-01T10:52:07.273" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26938" PostId="5239" Score="5" Text="Since there is a description saying &quot;Viewable by the post author and users with the close/reopen votes privilege&quot;, I have automatically assumed that I see the same thing as the OP does - it seems that I was wrong.&#xA;But it was pointed out to me that the names are not shown in this banner to the OP, here is the relevant post on [meta.se]:&#xA;[How could we improve our planned post notice improvements?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/332499#332502)&#xA;The close voters are still visible [in the timeline and in the revision history](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/340340)." CreationDate="2022-02-02T12:36:43.980" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26964" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="Your question has a lot of comments, where several users say why they believe your question is not suitable." CreationDate="2022-02-10T10:42:45.583" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="26984" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@YCor: Yeah, several doesn't amount to many. Plus I answered their objections. To which several didn't take much notice. Did you notice that too?" CreationDate="2022-02-20T22:37:52.547" UserId="35706" />
  <row Id="27000" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson: I believe that the names of those who closed a question are not shown to its author in order to prevent retaliation (or more clearly: vindicative behaviour). Not all users have the emotional stability necessary in order not to take closure personally." CreationDate="2022-02-25T11:09:36.913" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27001" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Please see my comment above." CreationDate="2022-02-25T11:09:59.230" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27002" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@Alex, as Martin points out, the names are shown (to the author) in the revision history." CreationDate="2022-02-25T11:55:13.920" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27003" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson: Ah, then I suspect that the various parts of the SE software have been modified, in time, by various teams at various moments, so that now there are incoherences between them such as the one just noticed. (This under the assumption that my interpretation given above is correct.) Should we report this as a bug?" CreationDate="2022-02-25T11:59:39.380" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27004" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@Alex, I'm not sure what &quot;incoherence&quot; you mean." CreationDate="2022-02-25T12:10:04.613" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27006" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson: My conjecture is that the SE staff attempted to make the casters of close votes anonymous to question authors, in order to prevent retaliation. This explains why the information displayed to OPs on that blue-gray closure banner does *not* include these names. The fact that OPs can still &quot;cheat&quot; and see these names by looking at the timeline defeats the intended behaviour, and looks like an incoherence in the SE software: by default you cannot see votes, but if you know some elementary SE tricks you can get around this. I see a contradiction here." CreationDate="2022-02-25T14:47:45.600" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27014" PostId="5239" Score="2" Text="@AlexM. Based on the fact that a bug report related to this was marked as (status-bydesign), this seems like an intended behavior: [Names of close-voters are not visible in the post notice but in the revision history and timeline](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/340340). (I'll also mention that I copied some of the above comments [into this chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19138/2022/2/25) - in case we want to continue the discussion there. Although I certainly admit that I have contributed substantially to this digression from the original topic.)" CreationDate="2022-02-25T16:24:06.347" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27015" PostId="5239" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: The link that you give clarifies things, thank you." CreationDate="2022-02-25T16:41:38.357" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="26926" PostId="5240" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your response. But if you look at the post again, I begin with a motivating preamble and end with a specific question. Discussion is fine if it is helping clarify what the question is about. I don't see my question being any different to the recent question about anti-delta function as a dustribution. That didn't generate as much discussion because distributions are well-known, whilst Aristotlea discussion of continuity is much less well-known amongst modern mathematicians." CreationDate="2022-02-01T05:34:15.557" UserId="35706" />
  <row Id="26936" PostId="5240" Score="6" Text="There does not seem to me to be a precise *mathematical* question asked at the end. I concede that there is a sentence ending in a question mark, but that doesn't mean I understand what you're asking. At any rate, it strains credulity to think that Aristotle had in mind anything precise and mathematical by that sentence." CreationDate="2022-02-01T19:02:11.510" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="26937" PostId="5240" Score="6" Text="@Noah Snyder: Rather than Aristotle having in mind something precise and mathematical, my understanding is that the question is more along the lines of the following. &quot;If Aristotle, after having (presumably) made this assertation, were suddenly brought to the present time and somehow made cognizant of present-day mathematics, then what present-day mathematical idea(s) might he feel captures well the intended meaning of his assertion?&quot; Still probably not very appropriate for MO, but maybe slightly in a gray area, because 10 years ago it might have been considered marginally appropriate." CreationDate="2022-02-01T20:56:44.387" UserId="15780" />
  <row Id="26942" PostId="5245" Score="2" Text="This is of course a good answer, but Re the last sentence of the first paragraph: it's not suitable even if they *did* barge in and pushed a copy, etc. :-) At least not before they had established credibility. An incredibly ingenious 3-page technique that had somehow been overlooked by everyone ought to be able to handle other hard problems with impressive dispatch, and this is what every amateur would-be Solver of Big Problems ought to cultivate. Such amateurs could even pose challenges in the manner of 16th century mathematicians, just to demonstrate how bloody ingenious they are." CreationDate="2022-02-07T03:55:17.987" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="26943" PostId="5245" Score="3" Text="Even if the person posting is not the person who has written the alleged proof, it's still off-topic here, and has been for as long as I can remember." CreationDate="2022-02-07T05:11:20.927" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="26945" PostId="5245" Score="0" Text="Thanks both, I will update to clarify." CreationDate="2022-02-07T07:16:29.070" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="26947" PostId="5245" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the helpful explanation." CreationDate="2022-02-07T13:08:06.517" UserId="475731" />
  <row Id="26948" PostId="5246" Score="2" Text="Version B is the accursed &quot;mobile view&quot; which is being phased out, as it is hard to maintain properly (and was always very terrible). You can also &quot;disable responsiveness&quot; to get something that looks a bit more like the page you'd see on a desktop computer." CreationDate="2022-02-07T15:43:13.310" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26949" PostId="5246" Score="0" Text="Where would I disable responsiveness — is that an stackoverflow setting, a browser setting, or a device setting?" CreationDate="2022-02-07T17:44:01.147" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26950" PostId="5246" Score="2" Text="On the very bottom of the page you'll have &quot;full site&quot; and &quot;disable responsiveness&quot;. It's an SO setting that is client side. Of course, your browser should also have a &quot;Desktop mode&quot;, just in case you want to use *that*, but I generally wouldn't recommend that." CreationDate="2022-02-07T17:47:24.583" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26955" PostId="5246" Score="0" Text="I seem to no longer have version B, which is too bad because I really don't like version A." CreationDate="2022-02-08T23:19:50.807" UserId="15934" />
  <row Id="27637" PostId="5246" Score="0" Text="I no longer see “Full site” and “disable responsiveness” at the bottom of the screen. (I’ve now gotten used to Version A, but I have other rendering issues instead.)" CreationDate="2022-09-04T20:48:31.900" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27639" PostId="5246" Score="2" Text="Regarding your [update](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/5246/2), this is an issue with the MathJax rendering that has come up in many guises since the switch to the new responsive design. Unfortunately, not all instances of the bug have been fixed. See, for instance, [[1](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/378009)], [[2](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/375745)], [[3](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/375474)], [[4](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/34391)], [[5](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/34508)], [[6](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/34975)]." CreationDate="2022-09-05T11:16:50.583" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27640" PostId="5246" Score="1" Text="Even in your specific example, all of the MathJax is being rendered, but the text, math, and especially the punctuation, are out of order in both bullet points." CreationDate="2022-09-05T11:20:32.617" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27641" PostId="5246" Score="0" Text="Now I see the items in the wrong order — I’m glad the bug is known and hope it will be fixed soon." CreationDate="2022-09-05T11:22:49.517" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26951" PostId="5247" Score="3" Text="Moderators can cancel the bounty. This is done on a case-by-case basis and only for extraordinary circumstances (e.g. when a user has set a bounty to award a secondary account, or when the bounty was clearly used to stall closure). If this is indeed a duplicate, we can consider this as an extraordinary case, remove the bounty, close the question, and David can set and award the bounty to its correct owners. But I don't have time to look into this right now." CreationDate="2022-02-08T12:43:16.167" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26952" PostId="5247" Score="3" Text="I posted a comment to Harry West's answer, since that seems to be the only way to try to notify him. But he doesn't seem to visit MathOverflow very regularly. This is not what I would call a duplicate question. In the course of answering one question, West just happened to provide an answer to another question." CreationDate="2022-02-08T13:40:01.547" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26953" PostId="5247" Score="2" Text="I want to read West's answer first to see if I understand it. Assuming I do, I'll make sure West gets the reputation regardless -- I can award a bounty on an answer to a different question -- and I'll think then about whether I want to also keep the bounty I started open or ask the mods to close it." CreationDate="2022-02-08T22:07:14.763" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="26954" PostId="5247" Score="3" Text="And thanks to @Gro-Tsen for pointing this out! I did read through all questions tagged [set-theory] and [linear-algebra] before I posted my bounty, which I thought would capture any answers to this, but no search is as good as a knowledgeable human." CreationDate="2022-02-08T22:08:42.277" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="26959" PostId="5248" Score="4" Text="I think ([meta-tag:user-scripts]) would definitely be a suitable tag here. Maybe also ([meta-tag:design])? (I have asked also in [MO editors' lounge](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2022/2/9) about the choice of tags.)" CreationDate="2022-02-09T05:51:16.140" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26958" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="If you have any improvements in mind, feel free to directly edit the answer above." CreationDate="2022-02-09T01:57:19.453" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="26992" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much! This is SO much better." CreationDate="2022-02-23T16:35:07.900" UserId="18050" />
  <row Id="26961" PostId="5250" Score="0" Text="I guess I should wait for the bounty to disappear before accepting your CW answer? Or does it not matter?" CreationDate="2022-02-09T14:59:52.563" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26962" PostId="5250" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow I don’t think it matters, should it? Either way the bounty will just expire (unless a mod manually refunds it). The accepted answer is only considered for automatic award of the bounty after the bounty period is over, and an answer by the sponsor of the bounty cannot get it awarded anyway no matter which way." CreationDate="2022-02-09T17:14:00.397" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26965" PostId="5253" Score="3" Text="Yes, this also happens on my end." CreationDate="2022-02-10T17:57:12.030" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="26967" PostId="5253" Score="3" Text="These lists are not included in the HTML as sent, they are populated dynamically with Javascript after the page is loaded. Perhaps there is a race condition that makes some of them load before MathJax processing, but some of them it finishes." CreationDate="2022-02-10T18:16:53.243" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="26968" PostId="5253" Score="2" Text="A [bit of searching](https://stackexchange.com/search?q=%5B10k-tools%5D+%5Bmathjax%5D) also leads to this question on [meta.se]: [Render MathJax in the 10k tools](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/209393). (It's from 2013. Although it's not the same, I'd certainly consider it related.)" CreationDate="2022-02-10T18:25:29.007" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26985" PostId="5253" Score="0" Text="Should the image be edited to obscure information that might not be intended to be visible to users with sub-10k reputation?" CreationDate="2022-02-21T14:38:55.670" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="26986" PostId="5253" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Other than the general appearance of the page, I don't see information in the image that users with sub-10k reputation have no access to. For example, the scores of the individual questions are all publicly visible. They can't *easily* figure out what the highest-scoring question of the day is, but they could in principle figure it out." CreationDate="2022-02-21T14:54:39.053" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="26970" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="Maybe &quot;How *should* ...&quot;  is a bit too opinion-based(?) -- What about asking instead for examples of how people are actually doing it?" CreationDate="2022-02-12T21:22:42.277" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26971" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I have edited the question accordingly. Is that suitable?" CreationDate="2022-02-12T22:14:16.813" UserId="469" />
  <row Id="26972" PostId="5254" Score="4" Text="To me, that seems o.k. -- but the final decision is to be made by the community." CreationDate="2022-02-13T09:25:33.113" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="26973" PostId="5254" Score="3" Text="I have interpreted the upvotes as a lukewarm go-ahead, so I have posted the question (with a different context to stres the usefulness of email archives) https://mathoverflow.net/questions/416030/archiving-mathematical-correspondence" CreationDate="2022-02-13T13:30:04.583" UserId="469" />
  <row Id="26974" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="I thought that maybe ([tag:online-resources]) would be a suitable tag for the question posted on main. (OTOH maybe it might cause impressions that the questions asks *only* about stuff available online.) On an unrelated note, have you considered adding link also into the post - rather than just in a comment?" CreationDate="2022-02-14T08:10:52.763" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26982" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="“Comprehensive archiving” is not a practical option anymore — eg do you have an archive of all your MO posts? So the great historical examples, great in part because someone else spent time archiving these mathematicians’ correspondence, leave a lot unanswered about what mathematicians should do now." CreationDate="2022-02-16T20:17:26.237" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="26988" PostId="5255" Score="2" Text="Some posts on other metas which seem to be related: [Longer MathJax display equations are cut off on the right side when using &quot;Common HTML&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/353757), [Line breaking in MathJax (Common-HTML)](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/22539), [Automatic line breaks with the new CommonHTML renderer](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/22362)." CreationDate="2022-02-22T08:43:30.617" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26990" PostId="5260" Score="5" Text="I will just mention that any new user is shown a customized window with some advice before asking the first question on MO - the customization was done in June 2021: [What should the modal window for first-time askers say?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5007)&#xA;(Of course that's a bit different from your suggestion.) I will also add that maybe ([meta-tag:new-users]) could be a suitable tag here. (It seems that the intention of this suggestion is partly to inform new users about the site.)" CreationDate="2022-02-22T21:04:32.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26991" PostId="5260" Score="3" Text="thank you for the comment. I didn't know about the the modal window. This does help but I still think an &quot;About MathOverflow&quot; section would be helpful as it would quickly let people know if they are in the right place without starting an actual submission. I also added the new-users tag as you suggested." CreationDate="2022-02-22T22:04:32.287" UserId="18050" />
  <row Id="26994" PostId="5260" Score="1" Text="Checking how the site looked in the past, I have trouble determining what *exactly* is the thing which existed in the past and doesn't exist now. Of course, it is possible that the reason is that from the Wayback Machine only shows me what the site looks like for an unregistered users. I checked some older snapshots: [2010](https://web.archive.org/web/20100105094507/https://mathoverflow.net/), [2011](https://web.archive.org/web/20110109042816/http://mathoverflow.net/), [2012](https://web.archive.org/web/20120107101912/http://mathoverflow.net/) and ..." CreationDate="2022-02-25T03:31:07.157" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26995" PostId="5260" Score="1" Text="... and [2013](https://web.archive.org/web/20130109061751/http://mathoverflow.net/) - I see a banner on the right saying: &quot;Welcome to MathOverflow - A place for mathematicians to ask and answer questions.&quot; The same one which is shown in this answer: [Why is “MathOverflow” spelled without a space when “Stack Overflow” is spelled with a space?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2993#2994) Then in 2013 MO joined the SE network. So it looks a bit different in [2013](https://web.archive.org/web/20150112084204/http://mathoverflow.net/) or ..." CreationDate="2022-02-25T03:34:55.880" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26996" PostId="5260" Score="1" Text="... in [2017](https://web.archive.org/web/20170112072658/http://mathoverflow.net/). For unregistered users it says: &quot;MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians.&quot; (I think that's the same as now.) There were some design changes [in 2018](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3976), so the site looked a bit differently after that: [2019](https://web.archive.org/web/20190113003518/https://mathoverflow.net/), [2020](https://web.archive.org/web/20200112010011/https://mathoverflow.net/)." CreationDate="2022-02-25T03:39:02.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26997" PostId="5260" Score="0" Text="If you mean the content which [was available under mathoverflow.net/about](https://web.archive.org/web/20130629045417/https://mathoverflow.net/about), that is now called [Tour](https://mathoverflow.net/tour). (Sorry for several comments - the fact that I wanted to include the links to Wayback Machine made this text a bit longer and it did not fit one or two comments.)" CreationDate="2022-02-25T03:43:16.890" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26999" PostId="5260" Score="2" Text="I will confess I don't remember what exactly it said but there was something. Regardless, my main point is that there absolutely  **should** be such a section telling new visitors what the site is about." CreationDate="2022-02-25T04:07:38.980" UserId="18050" />
  <row Id="27013" PostId="5260" Score="1" Text="Perhaps this post from 2015 is also worth mentioning: [Why is &quot;what is the difference between mathoverflow and math.stackexchange?&quot; not prominently displayed?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2142) (It is not *exactly* the same as this suggestion, but definitely related.)" CreationDate="2022-02-25T16:07:56.897" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27200" PostId="5260" Score="2" Text="I have posted this suggestion: [Might featuring some FAQ posts on meta be useful?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5307) I don't expect a lot of response there - but maybe it might direct a bit more attention to your post. I have mentioned some sites which have customized information in the banner in the sidebar here: [Which elements of the frontpage can be customized per site?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/378042) (If you consider that useful, feel free to include examples of such sites into your feature request.)" CreationDate="2022-04-20T09:07:08.310" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="26993" PostId="5261" Score="12" Text="Canadian Mathematical Society: https://cms.math.ca/news-item/official-statement-regarding-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-and-participation-in-the-2022-icm-and/" CreationDate="2022-02-24T19:21:58.833" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="26998" PostId="5261" Score="6" Text="The Australian Mathematical Society: https://austms.org.au/statement-on-icm-2022/" CreationDate="2022-02-25T03:44:02.123" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27008" PostId="5262" Score="2" Text="Somewhat recurrent topic: [Minor edits, subject to review](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/192) and [Allow non-bumping minor edits, but review them on /review](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/122567)." CreationDate="2022-02-25T15:43:24.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27009" PostId="5262" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, there is no such tool available to us moderators." CreationDate="2022-02-25T15:45:00.100" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27010" PostId="5262" Score="0" Text="The instances of mass-replacement which I have seen were done to fix links. For example: [Is it possible to mass-update broken URLs to IndianScriptures.com with HinduScriptures.in?](https://hinduism.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1969), [Chakoteya.net links are broken](https://scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9922), [chabadlibrary.org link structure has changed, and there are now many broken links](https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4599), [Mass-fix broken links from old usages of autocard functionality](https://boardgames.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2068)." CreationDate="2022-02-25T15:51:03.697" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27011" PostId="5262" Score="0" Text="Something similar was recently discussed also on this meta: [Is it time to replace links to the UCDavis arXiv frontend?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5124). You can find some information about this tool also here: [How to find and/or change a set of hyperlinks on a site?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/313243) and [Can the mass-replacement tool also replace and remove?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/375121)" CreationDate="2022-02-25T15:52:05.640" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27012" PostId="5262" Score="4" Text="And here is a similar post from 2018: [Misspelling of Cauchy-Schwarz](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3952). (Asaf Karagila made a suggestion to collect some common misspellings and then correct them in this way.)" CreationDate="2022-02-25T15:55:46.627" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27017" PostId="5262" Score="5" Text="For what it's worth, I appreciate your work for two reasons: (1) it's always good to correct these misspellings, even if they're old (and now you know to do them in small batches rather than all at once!); and (2) every time an old post is bumped, it gives me an excuse to go in and fix some bêtes noires of my own (for example, good old &quot;see here&quot; as a reference, especially when subject to link rot).  I've been trailing along behind you and editing after you do, since they're bumped anyway." CreationDate="2022-02-25T20:11:26.050" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27018" PostId="5262" Score="7" Text="However, while you're there, you might as well make Cauchy-Schwarz (hyphen) into Cauchy–Schwarz (en dash)." CreationDate="2022-02-25T20:12:13.677" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27034" PostId="5262" Score="0" Text="The current number of occurrences of &quot;Cauchy-Schwartz&quot; is 50, plus some more (Schwar***t***zian derivative, etc). This is a bit large but still doable by hand with some patience (and hopefully done by several users). I once replaced all &quot;Chebychev&quot; with &quot;Chebyshev&quot; (this is worse as it entails a pronunciation issue), but there were a bit less, maybe 25. But also once replaced systematically, when applicable, the tag &quot;semigroups&quot; with &quot;semigroups-of-operators&quot; and there were about 100 occurrences, while only changing 4-5 per day to avoid excessive bumping..." CreationDate="2022-02-27T18:09:35.480" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27042" PostId="5262" Score="3" Text="As I've [mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2022/2/25), there is a list of various misspellings on [math.meta.se]: [List of commonly misspelled words](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30918)." CreationDate="2022-03-01T14:14:45.397" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27957" PostId="5262" Score="0" Text="Referenced in [an Über meta post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/383433/can-the-link-replacement-tool-be-used-on-typos-in-regular-text) in 2022." CreationDate="2022-11-02T16:00:01.647" UserId="48348" />
  <row Id="27019" PostId="5263" Score="1" Text="Yes, there is `\require{cancel}\cancel{1+1=2}` $\require{cancel}\cancel{1+1=2}$ and `\require{enclose}\enclose{horizontalstrike}{1+1=2}`$\require{enclose}\enclose{horizontalstrike}{1+1=2}$. There are some other options in the &quot;Crossing things out&quot; [answer](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/mathjax-basic-tutorial-and-quick-reference/13183#13183) on the mathjax reference page of math.se (takes a while to load)" CreationDate="2022-02-26T01:08:49.213" UserId="70388" />
  <row Id="27020" PostId="5263" Score="0" Text="@CalvinKhor, thanks! Would you post [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5263/mathjax-equivalent-of-strike-strike#comment27019_5263) as an answer so that I can accept it?" CreationDate="2022-02-26T01:58:56.110" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27021" PostId="5263" Score="1" Text="Sure, I've just done that. Glad to help!" CreationDate="2022-02-26T02:33:37.003" UserId="70388" />
  <row Id="27026" PostId="5263" Score="1" Text="A related post on [math.meta.se]: [Striking out equations](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4473). Another post on this meta, which is also a bit related (but not the same): [Cancel command in MO post](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3702)/" CreationDate="2022-02-26T04:51:05.900" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27024" PostId="5264" Score="2" Text="It seems that unlike Math.SE, the above `\require`, either in the above comments or this answer causes the package to work for this comment as well: `$\cancel{1+1=2}$,$\enclose{horizontalstrike}{1+1=2}$` gives $\cancel{1+1=2}$,$\enclose{horizontalstrike}{1+1=2}$ I have tested a comment on a separate meta.MO page (now deleted) and `\cancel` did not work." CreationDate="2022-02-26T02:45:28.533" UserId="70388" />
  <row Id="27025" PostId="5264" Score="2" Text="Whether in the comments or in your answer, the `\require` seems to affect [other answers](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5265), too.  Posts are 'insulated' in their own groups (in the TeX sense), which I would expect to prevent this, but maybe comments aren't, or maybe the 'insulation' lets `\require`s escape?" CreationDate="2022-02-26T03:22:47.280" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27030" PostId="5264" Score="2" Text="@LSpice Sorry, I was wrong, `\require` escapes comments even on math.se. [Screenshot here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/8Kq0V.png) (also tested on MO). After posting a comment with `\require`, the first comment's `\cancel` was re-rendered correctly. First comment originally [looked like this](https://i.stack.imgur.com/JPFJJ.png)." CreationDate="2022-02-26T06:59:27.347" UserId="70388" />
  <row Id="27043" PostId="5266" Score="1" Text="Having made mass corrections of Lebesque to Lebesgue here and on MSE a few months ago (see my comments to the post https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1433899/why-is-lebesgue-so-often-spelled-lebesque), I think after making one concentrated set of corrections that might annoy some people by bumping, it's not a big deal to look for new misspellings every few months afterwards. I was pleased to see after checking MO and MSE last weekend, there were 0 new appearances of Lebesque on MO but there were 5 or 6 new ones on MSE, which were easy to fix." CreationDate="2022-03-01T22:34:12.467" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="27044" PostId="5266" Score="0" Text="Perhaps the mods could set up some &quot;spell check&quot; file that would automatically remind them about common misspellings like Lebesque, Cauchy-Schwartz, and Cauchy–Schwartz at the start of every month (or every other month) and one of the mods can go on a search and replace mission to fix the errors. That would be better than relying on one non-mod to maintain this task in perpetuity." CreationDate="2022-03-01T22:36:47.703" UserId="3272" />
  <row Id="27045" PostId="5266" Score="1" Text="@KConrad Maybe you mean a list similar to the one on [math.meta.se]: [List of commonly misspelled words](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30918)? I have admit that I do not see what is a difference if this is done by moderators - if a moderator edits a post, it bumps the question exactly in the same way as if it is done by a regular user. BTW  the edits Lebesque $\to$ Lebesgue did not [go unnoticed](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/59491422#59491422)." CreationDate="2022-03-02T05:32:13.150" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27046" PostId="5266" Score="1" Text="Moreover, I am not sure to which extent the MO moderators would be willing to participate in such things. Here is a quote from a post by [one of the MO mods](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2208/editing-etiquette/2209#2209): &quot;Correcting misspellings more generally is permissible I think, but I would consider it low priority, and you probably have better things to do with your time.&quot; (I'd say that on some other sites that I visit, the mods are more active in various tasks related to the maintenance of the site.)" CreationDate="2022-03-02T05:56:51.550" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27035" PostId="5267" Score="5" Text="You asked for users with &quot;access to numbers and SEDE queries&quot;. I will just point out that *every user* can run SEDE queries. (The only question is what kind of query you'd linke to see. Number of post per day, per week? Something else?) 20k+ users (and moderators) have [access to site analytics](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics)." CreationDate="2022-02-28T13:58:10.073" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27036" PostId="5267" Score="3" Text="Yesterday (i.e. 27th of February) only 40 posts were made, which seems to be the lowest number since December 25, 2020." CreationDate="2022-02-28T14:39:55.390" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27052" PostId="5267" Score="0" Text="I will add that maybe some of the queries posted here might give you some of the data your interested in: [Does the number of answers really drop over years?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4505) (They are among the [queries mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19138/2022/2/28) - although I probably failed to mentioned that a few of them were from that post.)" CreationDate="2022-03-05T07:27:22.763" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27037" PostId="5268" Score="4" Text="What happened on January 31?" CreationDate="2022-02-28T15:14:38.860" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="27038" PostId="5268" Score="2" Text="I don't know. https://mathoverflow.net/questions/412762/theorems-that-are-essentially-impossible-to-guess-by-empirical-observation probably accounts for a large chunk of the views, but that's a lot less than even the &quot;new visits&quot; count." CreationDate="2022-02-28T16:08:02.970" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27040" PostId="5269" Score="3" Text="An old related feature request on Meta SE: [Allow ex-moderators to opt-in to having a mark on their profile indicating they were a moderator](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/181668). It was marked [status-completed] presumably because the [Sheriff gold badge](https://mathoverflow.net/help/badges/175/sheriff) seemed to serve the required purpose." CreationDate="2022-03-01T13:26:49.640" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27041" PostId="5269" Score="4" Text="Another related post on Meta SE: [Keep track of historical user (moderator) status and make available in profile](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/263729)." CreationDate="2022-03-01T13:28:51.907" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27047" PostId="5269" Score="0" Text="François G. Dorais is not a moderator anymore?" CreationDate="2022-03-02T06:32:41.983" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="27048" PostId="5269" Score="4" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi See here: [History of MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/753#754). The edit removing his name from the list was done by François G. Dorais himself - so I would consider that as a reliable enough confirmation. https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/754/revisions https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/754/18 (And he is also not listed among the moderators - but sometimes a mod can be removed from that list also as a precaution which can be later reversed, as [discussed in another post](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3917#3919) on this meta.)" CreationDate="2022-03-02T11:01:38.950" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27049" PostId="5269" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: thank you, I missed this" CreationDate="2022-03-02T12:09:53.257" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="27051" PostId="5270" Score="3" Text="This is interesting but I don't think there's a _meaningful_ way to implement this. The reason behind `\intertext` is to add less space between the two equations than the trivial solution `\begin{gather*}...\end{gather*}and\begin{gather*}...\end{gather*}`. There is no better way to do this while making sure that the inter-text is processed just as regular text, but then regular spacing rules apply." CreationDate="2022-03-05T06:57:01.877" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="27053" PostId="5270" Score="1" Text="Another workaround `\begin{gather}1 + 1 = 2\\ \text{and}\\1 + 2 = 3.\end{gather}` \begin{gather}1 + 1 = 2\\ \text{and}\\1 + 2 = 3.\end{gather}" CreationDate="2022-03-05T15:15:58.570" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27055" PostId="5270" Score="2" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5270/intertext-in-mathjax/5272#comment27051_5270) solution certainly works fine for `{gather*}`; but, despite my poor choice of that as an example, I'm mainly interested in `{align*}`, and ending an `{align*}` and beginning a new one loses all the alignments (I think?)." CreationDate="2022-03-05T18:51:19.423" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27056" PostId="5270" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar, [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5270/intertext-in-mathjax/5272#comment27053_5270) I guess is the best possible (since it avoids ending the environment, and so would remember positions within an `{align*}`, which was, despite my puzzlingly not saying so, my reason for not wanting to end a multi-line environment).  It's not left-aligned, and unfortunately `\hfill` does not convince it to be either, but beggars can't be choosers." CreationDate="2022-03-05T18:53:29.220" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27059" PostId="5270" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais : The effect of `\intertext` is NOT only to have less space between two displayed lines than there would otherwise be. Rather, it makes the vertical alignment _below_ `\intertext` match the vertical alignment _above_ `\intertext`." CreationDate="2022-03-06T17:08:49.583" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="27057" PostId="5272" Score="0" Text="Thank you.  For some reason I neglected to mention the most important point for *why* I want to do this, which is that I want equations separated by text but nonetheless enjoying mutual alignment points.  Is that possible?" CreationDate="2022-03-05T18:55:26.323" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27058" PostId="5272" Score="1" Text="Yes, I understand the need, but no, as I said, it is not possible in MathJax.  There is no mechanism within MathML to perform this, and MathJax uses MathML as its internal format, so it has no way of expressing this." CreationDate="2022-03-06T00:38:07.550" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="27060" PostId="5272" Score="0" Text="Ignoring all the MathML niceties around formatting the equations, doesn't `&lt;mtable&gt;&lt;mtr&gt;&lt;mtd&gt;1 + 1&lt;/mtd&gt;&lt;mtd&gt;= 2&lt;/mtd&gt;&lt;/mtr&gt;&lt;mtr&gt;&lt;mtd colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;and&lt;/mtd&gt;&lt;/mtr&gt;&#xA;&lt;mtr&gt;&lt;mtd&gt;1 + 2&lt;/mtd&gt;&lt;mtd&gt;= 3&lt;/mtd&gt;&lt;/mtr&gt;&lt;/mtable&gt;` work?  (EDIT:  Ah, no, at least on Mozilla's [MathML Tester](https://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/demo/tester), `colspan` is accepted but ignored, as became clear when I tried something longer than `and` as intertext.)" CreationDate="2022-03-06T17:15:53.543" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27062" PostId="5272" Score="1" Text="No, that would not be the same as what `\intertext` would produce.  In LaTeX, `\intertext` produces text that is outside the table, flush left (unless you are in a centering environment).  If the text is long, for example, it will not affect the sizes of the columns in the table.  Using `colspan` would make the text be part of the table, it would not be flush left with the rest o the page, but only within the table (if you also used `align=&quot;left&quot;`), and it would affect the column sizes if the text were longer than the combined columns it spans." CreationDate="2022-03-06T18:10:32.550" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="27063" PostId="5272" Score="1" Text="As for the MathML tester, that is unrelated to MathJax and tests the native MathML handling of your browser, so your results will depend on which browser you are using.  Even Firefox's relatively complete MathML implementation doesn't seem to handle `colspan`, however.  But it's also true that MathJax doesn't yet implement `colspan` either, so while this could be a work-around for some situations, it is not yet available in MathJax, either." CreationDate="2022-03-06T18:15:09.273" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="27064" PostId="5272" Score="1" Text="You could probably use \rlap{\hspace{...}\text{and}} the proper distance for the `\hspace` to get what you want, but it is a hack and would need to have the spacing  determined by hand for each expression." CreationDate="2022-03-06T18:17:12.577" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="27079" PostId="5276" Score="2" Text="Hmm, now the difficulty is to understand how your answer and Asaf Karagila's one can be correct at the same time..." CreationDate="2022-03-08T13:40:25.473" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27080" PostId="5276" Score="1" Text="I think the problem is that daily traffic semi-regularly fluctuates a lot during the week, and this makes it difficult to eye-ball the general trend as Asaf attempted to do." CreationDate="2022-03-08T14:01:17.740" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27086" PostId="5276" Score="0" Text="Could you please post, as a comment or as an edit of your answer, the query (or a link to it) that produced those graphs? I would like to play with it (and its parameters) a bit in the following weeks. Thank you." CreationDate="2022-03-10T19:26:01.667" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27087" PostId="5276" Score="1" Text="I didn’t use any query. The graph is straight from https://mathoverflow.net/site-analytics (requires 25K reputation, see https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics)." CreationDate="2022-03-10T19:56:52.627" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27081" PostId="5277" Score="6" Text="As you can see, this specific question was [in the first question review queue](https://mathoverflow.net/review/first-questions/161081). If you try for yourself, you can see that this text is one of the options you can choose in that review: https://i.stack.imgur.com/bjNzd.png" CreationDate="2022-03-09T15:32:08.943" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27092" PostId="5277" Score="1" Text="Related feature announcement: [Review queue workflows - Final release](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/369013/241919). As per Martin's comment, the comments by the Community bot are not automatic, but they are just being delegated from the (human) reviewers: &quot;*Reviewers are encouraged to leave comments for the post-author, but now they can also choose from a few options of canned feedback which will appear as a comment from the Community account.*&quot;" CreationDate="2022-03-12T19:38:25.720" UserId="60571" />
  <row Id="27091" PostId="5278" Score="0" Text="I will mention that there was a bit similar question on [meta.se] - but it was closed: [Can we get statistics about the effect of the war in Ukraine on Stack Exchange communities?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/376933)" CreationDate="2022-03-12T09:30:27.820" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27093" PostId="5279" Score="0" Text="As [mentioned elsewhere](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2022/3/13), the tag ([meta-tag:blacklist]) would probably be a reasonable fit for this question - after all, one of the suggestions is to blacklist a specific site.&#xA;(I also thought about ([meta-tag:specific-user]) and ([meta-tag:spam]). But these two tags probably do not fit the question that well.)" CreationDate="2022-03-13T08:09:01.907" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27094" PostId="5279" Score="0" Text="I also wanted to check whether the site appears in some legitimate posts. Searching [for the posts containing the link](https://stackexchange.com/search?tab=active&amp;q=url%3a%22%2Amueckenh%2A%22) (and haven't been deleted), I'd say that: &#xA;The two posts on [math.se] ([3768948](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3768948) and [4185694](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/4185694)) seems to be genuine posts, so does  [this answer](https://stats.stackexchange.com/q/315502#343696) on [stats.se]." CreationDate="2022-03-13T08:10:43.350" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27095" PostId="5279" Score="0" Text="However, [all posts on Philosophy](https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/search?q=url%3a%22%2Amueckenh%2A%22) come from the same user - who is now suspended." CreationDate="2022-03-13T08:10:48.800" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27098" PostId="5279" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I mostly understand the suspension, but the user’s answers are informative, so what is wrong with them?" CreationDate="2022-03-17T04:45:50.803" UserId="245836" />
  <row Id="27099" PostId="5279" Score="0" Text="@TymaGaidash If you mean the posts on [philosophy.se], I am not competent enough to say whether or not they were useful. (I now almost nothing about philosophy.) I have mentioned this [in the chatroom of that site](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/538/2022/3/17) - maybe somebody might notice that and respond there.)" CreationDate="2022-03-17T09:56:52.633" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27111" PostId="5279" Score="1" Text="@TymaGaidash: Why are they informative??" CreationDate="2022-03-18T18:09:35.997" UserId="50073" />
  <row Id="27121" PostId="5279" Score="1" Text="@TymaGaidash There was some response from a moderator of the Philosophy site: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/538/2022/3/23" CreationDate="2022-03-23T09:59:40.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27096" PostId="5281" Score="6" Text="Hmm. My first instinct is to edit the first question to include the cleaned-up version at the top (keeping the old version clearly delineated at the bottom, so the comments make sense). But you could instead ask a new question, linking to the old question and vice versa (and ask a mod to close the old one, for example as no longer relevant). This latter option seems desirable given the length of the original question." CreationDate="2022-03-16T07:15:59.760" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27097" PostId="5281" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your help dear @DavidRoberts! I will follow you second option." CreationDate="2022-03-16T17:12:11.150" UserId="424703" />
  <row Id="27100" PostId="5282" Score="2" Text="Replace &quot;between&quot; with &quot;from&quot; and &quot;and&quot; with &quot;to&quot; and you're golden." CreationDate="2022-03-18T00:09:00.960" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27101" PostId="5282" Score="5" Text="Sure, but what if it were too long to play a simple trick like that? Looking for discussion around policy here. What was the old character count? How bad could it get?" CreationDate="2022-03-18T00:12:07.240" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27102" PostId="5282" Score="0" Text="I've done the question edit, with your title suggestion @Asaf, but the point still stands." CreationDate="2022-03-18T00:13:03.763" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27103" PostId="5282" Score="3" Text="Another post concerning the same issue: [Unfortunate title length limitation when performing dead link maintenance](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5094)." CreationDate="2022-03-18T03:57:47.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27104" PostId="5282" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak thanks for that. Do we know any of the reasons behind how this difficulty arises?" CreationDate="2022-03-18T06:15:05.470" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27105" PostId="5282" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Well, as you said yourself, the only reasonable explanation is that the limit used to be longer. I did not find exactly *when* it was changed, but in 2015 it was already at 150: [Edit to an old question cannot be saved because title too long](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/305959), (Maybe you'll have better luck in finding some info on this change.)  SEDE returns 126 posts with titles longer than 150 characters: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1568947/questions-with-long-titles Here are results of the query from the linked post..." CreationDate="2022-03-18T06:25:21.817" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27106" PostId="5282" Score="0" Text="... https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/363314. Maybe in this context it is also worth reminding what is the recommendation from here: [How to write a good MathOverflow question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/882#883): &quot;Titles are allowed to be anywhere from 15 to 150 characters long. 140 characters (the length of a tweet) takes up about two full lines on the home page, so try to keep it less than that.&quot; (See the link to read the whole advice on titles as stated in the post - I have included only a brief excerpt.)" CreationDate="2022-03-18T06:27:40.037" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27107" PostId="5282" Score="2" Text="@Martin The last &gt;150 char question was on the 13th June 2013 (there were usually only a handful a month and there were two in that June), and [it seems MathOverflow 1.0 was turned off on the 24th](https://web.archive.org/web/20161024073543/http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1416/6/mathoverflow-20/) (see last post). So it's _very_ likely a 1.0-&gt;2.0 effect." CreationDate="2022-03-18T08:21:11.833" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27108" PostId="5282" Score="0" Text="Actually &quot;cohomology of orbifold chiral de Rham on an orbifold&quot; sounds so clumsy that I don't see what exactly &quot;chiral de Rham&quot; refers to." CreationDate="2022-03-18T09:26:10.647" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27109" PostId="5282" Score="0" Text="@David: Absolutely, that's why I posted a comment not an answer." CreationDate="2022-03-18T12:21:25.243" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27152" PostId="5282" Score="1" Text="[Here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/48237/295232) is an answer explaining the reduction from 250 to 150 characters." CreationDate="2022-03-29T19:59:02.923" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="27110" PostId="5283" Score="2" Text="Thanks for letting us know." CreationDate="2022-03-18T17:01:28.887" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="27112" PostId="5284" Score="0" Text="The answer is CW - feel free to edit it further if needed. (But I'll stress that this is intended to answer only the part about the functionality - i.e., how and when these comments are created by the software. Whether they are useful and how they can be changed is certainly for discussion - let's leave this to other answers, if some users are willing to share their thoughts on this.)" CreationDate="2022-03-19T06:28:52.073" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27113" PostId="5284" Score="0" Text="Alternatively, if the OP decides to update the question and include the relevant information (explaining that these comments come from the review queues) - I won't object to deleting this answer if it is no longer needed." CreationDate="2022-03-19T06:39:49.167" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27114" PostId="5284" Score="0" Text="Thanks for posting this answer. Certainly it's better include the answer in an answer (as you did) than in the question." CreationDate="2022-03-19T09:18:38.913" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27116" PostId="5285" Score="2" Text="I guess a key question is what could an event do to make asking / answering questions on MO at that particular time more appealing than doing so at a usual time, and also more appealing than asking / answering questions on the unofficial ICM discord server?" CreationDate="2022-03-19T13:48:25.623" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="27117" PostId="5285" Score="3" Text="Spelling note: despite &quot;Terry&quot;, Tao's first name is &quot;Terence&quot;, not &quot;Terrence&quot;.  I have edited accordingly." CreationDate="2022-03-19T15:46:04.027" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27118" PostId="5285" Score="5" Text="One point which occurs to me is that in some sense anything taking place on MO would have a &quot;more public record&quot; than anything taking place on Discord -- I don't think Discord servers are generally indexed by search engines?" CreationDate="2022-03-20T17:05:24.277" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27119" PostId="5285" Score="5" Text="I will note that we are in the process of trying to set up a virtual ICM satellite event for short communications: https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2022/03/20/short-communication-satellite-event-for-the-2022-virtual-icm/ .  Right now we were envisioning hosting this on a yet-another-conference-wiki and did not see an obvious synergy with MathOverflow, but perhaps there is a creative way to involve MO in some way; am definitely open to hearing suggestions." CreationDate="2022-03-20T18:29:15.027" UserId="766" />
  <row Id="27120" PostId="5285" Score="3" Text="@TimCampion There has been some tentative plans to migrate the Discord discussion after the ICM to another platform which has some public search facility (probably after giving participants of that discussion ample opportunity to remove any comments that they do not want in the public record), and possibly even to continue the section-specific chats.  Though this is all premature as we don't really know how active the section-specific Discord channels will be." CreationDate="2022-03-20T19:40:41.487" UserId="766" />
  <row Id="27150" PostId="5285" Score="0" Text="Independent of any ICM activities, I've been told by some MathOverflow-shy colleagues that a public time-localized event focused on MO would encourage them to participate. Such an idea answers two semi-rational fears: (a) their question would appear trivial to experts and scoffed at, (b) nobody will notice it, leaving it forever unanswered in the MO archives. A call to people to both ask and answer questions in a specific time period would (a) mask a (potentially) lower quality post among many new ones and (b) increase the chance for the right expert see it at the right time." CreationDate="2022-03-29T19:05:44.230" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="27151" PostId="5285" Score="0" Text="Personally, I don't agree that such fears are fully rational. But, from my interactions with colleagues, they certainly exist and are subjectively real in people's minds." CreationDate="2022-03-29T19:07:37.757" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="27126" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="This question is tangentially related: [How to cite comment by unknown user disproving Erdős conjecture?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4351) (But the main issue discussed there was citation of something posted by an anonymous user, not the fact that it was posted as a comment.)" CreationDate="2022-03-26T11:45:25.760" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27127" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, one can edit the author name and user account to print the author name same as the author name of the comment. But copy pasting the output reference to Google do not give direct us to the actual page." CreationDate="2022-03-26T13:12:48.683" UserId="133832" />
  <row Id="27128" PostId="5288" Score="4" Text="The trouble with comments is that they can be deleted at any time.  They are much less permanent than questions or answers." CreationDate="2022-03-26T13:29:19.687" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27129" PostId="5288" Score="1" Text="@HARRY I have to admit that I have some trouble to decipher what is actually the question here.  But if you're after getting a *link* to a comment  - as opposed to a link to a post - this is explained in several places: [Direct Link to a Comment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/5436), [Is linking to comments possible?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4763)" CreationDate="2022-03-26T13:35:44.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27130" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, I'm asking here how to appropriately cite a mathoverflow comment." CreationDate="2022-03-26T13:39:15.930" UserId="133832" />
  <row Id="27131" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="In case the comments posted there are useful for somebody, here is a link to the same question posted previously on [tex.se]:  [Citing a mathoverflow comment](https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/638476)." CreationDate="2022-03-26T13:42:30.683" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27132" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar, Is there a way to acknowledge someone whose comment is useful to somebody's work? ( I'm more interested if there is some way to cite it in reference)" CreationDate="2022-03-26T13:48:03.673" UserId="133832" />
  <row Id="27133" PostId="5288" Score="2" Text="I guess when you say &quot;cite it&quot; you do not mean to cite it in another post on MO, you mean to cite it in a published paper.  If so, why not say that?" CreationDate="2022-03-26T14:04:14.363" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27134" PostId="5288" Score="1" Text="I will include also a link to [conversation in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/19138/conversation/link-to-a-comment-and-citing-a-comment) which was basically a continuation of an exchange in the above comments." CreationDate="2022-03-26T14:30:42.923" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27135" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar, yes I'm trying to understand how to cite it in a paper. I'm sorry if I have failed to convey it." CreationDate="2022-03-26T14:34:27.787" UserId="133832" />
  <row Id="27142" PostId="5288" Score="1" Text="I understand what you are trying to do, but my suggestion is to copy the comment in a footnote, then give the attribution as a &quot;Person (link to MO user page), comment on [n]&quot;, then [n] in the bibliography is the reference to the answer. Citation to things that aren't papers are not counted the same way by citation metric services. Google Scholar won't pick it up, MathSciNet or zbMath won't pick it up, since it's not going to point to something also in the databases." CreationDate="2022-03-27T22:38:18.917" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27136" PostId="5289" Score="2" Text="I certainly agree that one should count with the fact that comments can be removed and one cannot rely on the permanence. (Which is true also for questions and answers - although they are deleted less frequently.) Maybe one could at least to some extent alleviate this problem by creating an archived version of the page containing the comment in the Wayback Machine (or using some similar website). Perhaps that is a reasonable practice also when citing questions or answers." CreationDate="2022-03-26T16:30:49.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27137" PostId="5289" Score="0" Text="@Massimo Ortolano, do you mean cite as follows: [1] Author name(account information). Comment to &quot; the title of the question&quot;. URL.https/......( Version 05/05/2021)? ... something along these lines?" CreationDate="2022-03-26T17:06:57.803" UserId="133832" />
  <row Id="27138" PostId="5289" Score="1" Text="@HARRY Yes, exactly, but see also Martin's advice on how to try to preserve the comment." CreationDate="2022-03-26T17:10:45.587" UserId="84320" />
  <row Id="27139" PostId="5289" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, Could you please briefly indicate how to create an arxived version of the page containing the comment in the wayback machine?" CreationDate="2022-03-26T17:19:35.093" UserId="133832" />
  <row Id="27140" PostId="5289" Score="1" Text="@HARRY You can have a look what they write in the help: [Save Pages in the Wayback Machine](https://help.archive.org/help/save-pages-in-the-wayback-machine/)." CreationDate="2022-03-26T17:30:08.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27141" PostId="5289" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, thanks for the link. It appears that after saving the url in wayback machine it does not become immediately searchable through wayback machine. I think within 45 minutes it will show that no such link is saved. I hope that it works after that time limit( or may be one needs to create an account there)" CreationDate="2022-03-26T18:29:11.000" UserId="133832" />
  <row Id="27143" PostId="5289" Score="1" Text="@Martin: The difference is that quite a handful of users still have access to all deleted questions and answers and their revision history. Only moderators and SE employees have access to deleted comments. So to verify the veracity of a deleted comment, one has to work harder, in principle, in order to verify it." CreationDate="2022-03-28T15:09:10.103" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27160" PostId="5291" Score="1" Text="Huh, I can see mine on the home page, but I have reputation visible for all users. (Double checking: when I hide all user rep, then it goes away.)" CreationDate="2022-04-01T01:32:24.463" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27161" PostId="5292" Score="0" Text="+1 for: &quot;it is in the spirit of the reputation hiding feature, and that there is nothing to fix.&quot; So from this viewpoint, it is a feature, not a bug. :-)" CreationDate="2022-04-01T05:57:47.950" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27162" PostId="5292" Score="5" Text="The behaviour that the reputation first visibly appears for a split second and then disappears, widening the search box in the process, is *definitely* a bug, and it’s quite annoying." CreationDate="2022-04-01T06:41:38.860" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27166" PostId="5292" Score="0" Text="It is nicer on mobile, I'll give this bug that." CreationDate="2022-04-02T07:34:41.217" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29213" PostId="5292" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila not sure if this is the same exact UI issue, but it seems to be back as of 2023-11-07-UTC or earlier" CreationDate="2023-11-07T02:43:28.557" UserId="117802" />
  <row Id="29216" PostId="5292" Score="0" Text="@micsthepick What do you mean?" CreationDate="2023-11-07T06:44:44.043" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29217" PostId="5292" Score="0" Text="hmm, it might be browser/extension specific, or fixed already? I'll pull out my work PC again - EDIT: it's still there on my work PC, even on latest chrome in icognito mode" CreationDate="2023-11-07T07:55:46.003" UserId="117802" />
  <row Id="29218" PostId="5292" Score="0" Text="it's happening wherever there is mathjax getting parsed if I were to guess, or during the operation that it is part of" CreationDate="2023-11-07T08:01:33.463" UserId="117802" />
  <row Id="29219" PostId="5292" Score="0" Text="oh I see, this is happening wherever there are reputation boxes on the main page and Q and A pages" CreationDate="2023-11-07T08:21:34.030" UserId="117802" />
  <row Id="27163" PostId="5295" Score="0" Text="This is most likely not it, but just to eliminate it, I'll ask anyway. The window asking to accept cookies is in the bottom left corner. (But I never saw it disappear immediately, as you describe.) You can find screenshot in many places: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&amp;q=cookie+site:meta.stackexchange.com - such as https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/359358, https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/362694, https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/362091,  There is also a post on this meta - but without a screenshot: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4954" CreationDate="2022-04-02T06:51:47.603" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27164" PostId="5295" Score="4" Text="Although I see this bug report which might look a bit similar to yours: [Cookie dialog popup flashes for a moment even when I've already accepted all cookies](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/362876). However, it is marked as ([meta-tag:status-norepro])." CreationDate="2022-04-02T06:57:05.187" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27165" PostId="5295" Score="2" Text="Do you have any browser add-ons, does it happen across browsers, across computers? Which browser, which operating system? What was the phase of the moon when you first noticed the symptoms? Were you recently stung by Africanized honey bees? Most of these questions should be answered already when submitting a bug report." CreationDate="2022-04-02T07:27:27.387" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27168" PostId="5295" Score="2" Text="Yes it was the cookie business, it showed up after I switched off my adblocker. Thanks Martin and Asaf for pointing me in the right direction. Maybe you can also advise what to do with this question? Provide an answer, mark it as duplicate, migrate to SE meta, or just delete it?" CreationDate="2022-04-03T05:57:43.530" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="27169" PostId="5295" Score="1" Text="@მამუკაჯიბლაძე I don't see closing as a duplicate as an option - we would need a duplicate target *here on MathOverflow Meta* and I do not see such a post. If you think that it might help somebody else who runs into the same problem, then it seems quite reasonable to write an answer (with an explanation what was actually the problem and how it can be solved). But it's your question - so it's your call. (Or you might simply wait to see whether some MO users chime in to respond to your most recent comment.)" CreationDate="2022-04-03T09:59:14.170" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27170" PostId="5295" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak OK, I will wait a couple of days then" CreationDate="2022-04-03T10:02:50.103" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="27171" PostId="5297" Score="4" Text="Unlike other bigger sites, MathOverflow does not have a large and active community of reviewers (in the custodial, StackExchangean sense of the word). Your question still lies in the review queue, https://mathoverflow.net/review/reopen/161624" CreationDate="2022-04-05T10:08:04.617" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27172" PostId="5297" Score="0" Text="I will add a SEDE query which list all reviews for a post: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1086014/list-of-reviews-for-a-specific-post?postid=418709 (Including the one which is not active. After the review is finished, you'll be able to see the link to the review in the [timeline of your post](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/418709/timeline).)" CreationDate="2022-04-05T10:15:06.163" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27173" PostId="5297" Score="0" Text="I have added the tags ([meta-tag:review-system]) and ([meta-tag:re-open]) - both of them seem to be relevant for this post. If your main question is about how edits send a post into the review queue, you might consider adding ([meta-tag:editing]). If you want to ask mainly about this particular question, you might consider adding ([meta-tag:specific-question])." CreationDate="2022-04-05T10:17:15.373" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27174" PostId="5297" Score="1" Text="There were 3 reopen votes to the question cast soon after closure, which meanwhile aged away. There is presently one delete vote on the question. To get fresh attention to the question, you could perhaps edit it." CreationDate="2022-04-05T10:32:36.460" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27207" PostId="5297" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5297/my-closed-question-was-never-reviewed-to-be-reopened#comment27174_5297), pardon me for expressing surprise—as a moderator I'd assume you know, but is the official advice really to make a (presumably unnecessary) edit to one's post to draw attention to it?  I thought the usual advice was precisely the opposite." CreationDate="2022-04-21T15:36:38.350" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27216" PostId="5297" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Well -- the alternative would be to suggest putting a bounty on the question. But given that the OP has only 75 points (which is just the absolute minimum needed such that the software allows setting bounties), this would perhaps be not such good advice -- and making a (substantial!) edit may be a better alternative." CreationDate="2022-04-21T17:11:25.830" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27219" PostId="5297" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the comments. I edited the question by adding this: &quot;My original formulation of this question was not good, [...] Therefore, within just a few hours of posting the question, it received 6 downvotes and only 1 upvote, and then was almost immediately closed. I strongly suspect that most of those 6 downvotes did only read the &quot;classic math olympiad problem&quot; and not my actual question. Within less than a day I then edited the question to avoid any misunderstanding for casual readers. Since that edit until now (within 30 days), this question has received 2 downvotes and 3 upvotes, [...]&quot;" CreationDate="2022-04-22T16:48:45.280" UserId="432212" />
  <row Id="27220" PostId="5297" Score="0" Text="Is one allowed to delete a question and then repost it again as a new question? I believe that those initial downvotes on the question were due to bad formulation, but it now seems impossible to reopen the question because of those. If I repost the edited version of the question as a new question, then I am confident that it will receive more positive than negative votes." CreationDate="2022-04-22T16:51:58.747" UserId="432212" />
  <row Id="27177" PostId="5300" Score="2" Text="Blue is the new orange :O" CreationDate="2022-04-13T18:37:51.237" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="27179" PostId="5300" Score="2" Text="aaaand we're back to normal :)" CreationDate="2022-04-13T20:17:57.507" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="27180" PostId="5300" Score="3" Text="A corresponding bug report on [meta.se]: [Every site just turned blue](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/377950)." CreationDate="2022-04-14T04:39:56.457" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27198" PostId="5301" Score="2" Text="Ideally links should be supplemented with DOI links (when available) even when broken ProjectEuclid links are replaced by working ones." CreationDate="2022-04-19T10:41:40.700" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27199" PostId="5301" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts I think that there *should* be a FAQ posts explaining good/bad practices when citing articles. (Dead links are certainly less of a problem if the author and the title is given - as opposed to `[this paper](URL)`.) In this specific instance, I agree that DOI links could be a good idea - bud the only way I see this being done in bulk (without bumping) is with projecuclid links. (We should keep in mind the limitations of the tools that are available.)" CreationDate="2022-04-20T08:08:57.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27203" PostId="5301" Score="1" Text="Ask the site moderators to ask the Stack Exchange Community Managers to ask the company devs to do this. (Or just flag this post asking mods to add the [meta-tag:status-review] tag, and the rest will follow.) It *can* be done automatically, other Stack Exchange sites have [successfully achieved](https://scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/9998/31394) mass link updates by asking devs to do it all in one go." CreationDate="2022-04-20T13:43:15.293" UserId="61630" />
  <row Id="27204" PostId="5301" Score="1" Text="@Randal'Thor I am aware of the link you provided - in fact I've listed it as an example here: [Domains with dead links](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/34712). I assume that MO users will be asked to clean up small batches first - that was the case &#xA;[in the previous request](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5124).  But I'd hope that a CM would be willing to clean-up at least the links in the first three bullet points in bulk. (Maybe then the question we'll be whether similar thing can be done on other sites which have many links to Project Euclid.)" CreationDate="2022-04-20T14:10:14.467" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27272" PostId="5302" Score="0" Text="Now the same search returns only the post linked in the above comment. And that particular post has comments pointing out the correct link for the Project Euclid article. So the links of this type on SO have been handled. (Thanks to the users who edited them - I only [edited one such post](https://stackoverflow.com/posts/16507545/revisions) on SO.)" CreationDate="2022-05-06T04:52:39.770" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27320" PostId="5302" Score="0" Text="I think the jsl links on MO are all gone, now" CreationDate="2022-05-14T04:35:30.033" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27181" PostId="5303" Score="4" Text="The fact that the posts from a deleted account can be found is well-known - see, for example, here: [Is there a way to check all questions/answers posted from a deleted account](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3748). However, you should probably clarify what you mean when you say this: &quot;I was surprised to see a picture of myself as my avatar&quot;. I do not see your avatar anywhere at the post posted from the old account (i.e., user37691)." CreationDate="2022-04-15T11:49:31.747" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27182" PostId="5303" Score="0" Text="Perhaps if you have a custom avatar, then to delete it you will need to go to gravatar.com and delete it there.  Or change to some other avatar." CreationDate="2022-04-15T12:35:16.013" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27185" PostId="5303" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I see the profile under the profile of Daniel Geisler. I suggest that there be a link on the delete profile page to the article you listed. &#xA;Gerald Edgar, I'm not concerned with the ability to remove the avatar, I'm concerned with MO remembering what the avatar was." CreationDate="2022-04-15T13:29:34.810" UserDisplayName="user477396" />
  <row Id="27183" PostId="5304" Score="3" Text="You can have a look how some questions about pronouncing a specific name fared on MO: [Crapo](https://mathoverflow.net/q/4394), [Dijkstra](https://mathoverflow.net/q/4381) , [Hartshorne](https://mathoverflow.net/q/20283), [Munkres](https://mathoverflow.net/q/123845). (Of course, that is different from a big-list question.) There was a bit similar question on [math.se] - it was eventually deleted: [Re: Mathematicians whose names are commonly mispronounced](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2161)." CreationDate="2022-04-15T13:18:49.643" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27184" PostId="5304" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak It seems these questions have not fared well..." CreationDate="2022-04-15T13:24:10.340" UserId="1106" />
  <row Id="27186" PostId="5304" Score="2" Text="In case you still want to ask the question, my first advice would be provide a cost function, since there's no objectively correct way to relate symbols to an utterance. One option would be to ask for how the names are pronounced in the countries those scientists were born (or, similarly, where those names are still commonly given to children). Another metric would be to ask for how to pronounce it to be understood in the academic community (you wouldn't want to correct Americans every time they say Einstein, and you'd probably use their way of saying it to be understood)." CreationDate="2022-04-15T15:20:38.023" UserId="35927" />
  <row Id="27242" PostId="5304" Score="1" Text="Maybe I should have mentioned that [math.se] has [a tag called pronunciation](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/pronunciation). But the questions I see in this tag about names of mathematicians are closed: &#xA;[L'Hospital](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/2439866), &#xA;[Sturm](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/1102021), &#xA;[Kunen](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/272368), &#xA;[Hessian](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/732858)." CreationDate="2022-05-01T05:42:15.147" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27243" PostId="5304" Score="1" Text="And now I noticed this older discussion on MathOverflow Meta: [Pronunciation questions](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3649). (I would describe the reception there as mostly positive - but you can read the discussion and judge for yourself.)" CreationDate="2022-05-01T08:43:00.577" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27244" PostId="5304" Score="1" Text="I asked one such question  ( https://mathoverflow.net/q/71652/454 ) It was closed within 3 hours.  Because of that I never asked another question on pronunciation of a name." CreationDate="2022-05-01T14:01:05.597" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27246" PostId="5304" Score="2" Text="Although I am definitely in the &quot;conservative approach to MO&quot; camp, in the sense that I tend to be much stricter than the rest of the community about what I think belongs here (and I do wish we'd get more traffic to [HSMSE](http://hsm.stackexchange.com)—although questions like this probably don't belong there either), and my impression should be taken with a corresponding grain of salt, it seems to me that a question like this, however valuable it would be, is clearly not about research-level mathematics." CreationDate="2022-05-01T14:30:06.290" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27255" PostId="5304" Score="1" Text="Sound files can’t be uploaded in the current MathOverflow interface, and I don’t think this use case provides enough reason to change that." CreationDate="2022-05-02T13:25:13.937" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27263" PostId="5304" Score="1" Text="I'm all for it. If you figure out a way to get audio files hosted somewhere, that'd be great. I could imagine asking people to specify prounciation using [IPA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet), though maybe that would have limited utility for non-linguists. Personally, I think there could still be value even if we had to resort to writing things like &quot;Kleene is pronounced like &quot;clean-y&quot;&quot; (I admit I'd also find it amusing!). Of course, it would ultimately be up to the community whether it should remain open." CreationDate="2022-05-03T21:53:52.793" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27270" PostId="5304" Score="1" Text="@TimCampion I'd guess that *reading* IPA is not that problematic even for non-linguists; it is probably more difficult to write something correctly using IPA. I saw that some Stack Exchange sites [use SoundCloud as a solution for audio files](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/where-to-host-audio-files). I am not sure how suitable that would be - I have [tried to ask around](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/440/2022/5/4), but I did not have much success." CreationDate="2022-05-05T07:37:42.023" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27187" PostId="5306" Score="2" Text="Is Dominic our first 1000-question user? In any event, congratulations!" CreationDate="2022-04-16T03:02:42.520" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27188" PostId="5306" Score="2" Text="@TimCampion Users with most [posts](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1580473/users-with-most-posts-questions-answers), [questions](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1580478/users-with-most-questions). (Those SEDE queries can be run on any site.) Some SEDE queries posted here are tangentially related: [How does one check progress towards a (second) Socratic badge?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5216) And you might also check who has [the most hot questions](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2020/4/16)." CreationDate="2022-04-16T06:42:29.077" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27189" PostId="5306" Score="2" Text="@TimCampion: Yes, as Martin's queries show. I added that. Thanks." CreationDate="2022-04-16T13:12:08.390" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="27190" PostId="5306" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak Maybe more interesting than merely counting posts would be non-CW question &quot;[h-index](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-index)&quot; / non-CW answer &quot;h-index&quot; (i.e. the maximum number $h$ such that a given user has at least $h$ non-CW questions / non-CW answers with score at least $h$) -- can you maybe write a SEDE query which computes this?" CreationDate="2022-04-16T16:14:34.330" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27191" PostId="5306" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl I don't think that making such a query would be completely straightforward. I've posted your message [in the SEDE chatroom](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/1223/2022/4/16), maybe somebody might respond there. Or you could ask on Meta Stack Exchange. (I found a query written by somebody else which computes some kind of h-index for a single user: https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/45194/what-is-my-h-index?userid=28104)" CreationDate="2022-04-16T17:39:59.037" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27193" PostId="5306" Score="13" Text="I think we should strive for quality rather than quantity." CreationDate="2022-04-17T06:10:39.763" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27194" PostId="5306" Score="6" Text="Incidentally, at least one of Dominic's questions led to a paper: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/3188/6094." CreationDate="2022-04-17T11:36:57.700" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="27195" PostId="5306" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl Creating such query would be beyond my knowledge of SQL - but you can have a look [what other users suggested](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/1223/conversation/calculating-h-index)." CreationDate="2022-04-17T16:27:54.417" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27196" PostId="5306" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you! Though, besides -- I think Emil Jerabek has hit the nail on the head, beyond all numerical indices." CreationDate="2022-04-17T18:44:49.110" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27222" PostId="5306" Score="5" Text="@EmilJeřábek You have a point, but there is also something to be said for lowering one's filter a bit. If every question one asks is of very high quality, then I think it's likely that one has thrown out many valuable questions with the bathwater. With regard to Dominic in particular, I think his relentless inquisitiveness is something to celebrate! Our community is the richer for having him!" CreationDate="2022-04-23T21:39:33.337" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27416" PostId="5306" Score="0" Text="Thanks - I just stumbled over this by googling my own name... Thanks Joseph for the post, and also to the commenters!" CreationDate="2022-06-20T14:47:20.613" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="27418" PostId="5306" Score="1" Text="I totally understand Emil's point of view - and at the same time, a big thank you to everyone, and thanks Tim - and apologies for the (not so few) rubbish questions I have to delete soon after posting." CreationDate="2022-06-20T15:34:34.717" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="27201" PostId="5307" Score="1" Text="A sidebar element as on [law.se], [health.se], etc. seems to me to be an attractive option." CreationDate="2022-04-20T09:51:23.500" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27202" PostId="5307" Score="2" Text="@TheAmplitwist That would be in the spirit of this feature request: [Feature request: add short &quot;about MathOverflow&quot; section to the front page](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5260). That post got no response from the MO moderators." CreationDate="2022-04-20T10:00:44.677" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27221" PostId="5307" Score="1" Text="From your list of counter-arguments, I gather that the main motivation of the suggestion is to reduce the number of low-level questions by new users on the site. But actually, I'm thinking that doing something like this would probably be more useful for more experienced users -- as a sort of &quot;review&quot; kind of thing. This could be interesting. I'm not sure precisely which FAQs you have in mind." CreationDate="2022-04-23T21:19:54.157" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27223" PostId="5307" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion By FAQs I meant primarily the posts tagged [meta-tag:faq]. Many of them are collected here: [What are the Frequently Asked Questions on meta?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2664)" CreationDate="2022-04-24T04:11:41.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27224" PostId="5307" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Oh sure, I understood that much. But there are 20 questions tagged &quot;faq&quot; -- I suppose we could do each of them, one after another. If each one lasts 3 weeks that would take a little over a year." CreationDate="2022-04-24T04:25:14.890" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27226" PostId="5307" Score="1" Text="Given that the *Featured* tag expires after 30 days, I think it is rather meant to be used for somewhat more ephemeral posts -- e.g. for announcements and such." CreationDate="2022-04-24T18:52:54.213" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27228" PostId="5307" Score="0" Text="Here is a link to a similar suggestion on [math.meta.se]: [Could Community Bulletin be used for reminders about correct tagging and other good practices?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9813) (which I posted some time ago - it includes a screenshot from a site where I saw something similar)." CreationDate="2022-04-25T05:06:38.600" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27267" PostId="5307" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion As I have [mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/60958572#60958572), the choice of the posts to put up there would be up to the mods - certainly not all FAQ posts are equally important. Perhaps this can be seen as an alternative to [using a sidebar](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5314). The advantage of the sidebar is that it is more prominent and one can put there more text. The advantage of the community bulletin is that it can be done by the mods (without any help from SE) and it is not static. (But it is definitely less prominent.)" CreationDate="2022-05-04T12:02:30.890" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27214" PostId="5309" Score="1" Text="Unrelated to the issue with begingroup..endgroup - are you sure that it does not work? Maybe it was wrong only in the preview. Could you have a look at the same post [after my edit](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/348240/revisions) to see whether this is what you wanted to get or whether I misunderstood what you mean?" CreationDate="2022-04-21T16:07:42.813" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27217" PostId="5309" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, you are [right](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5309/eqref-across-posts#comment27214_5309).  I suppose it does only fail to work in preview.  Would you post that as an answer so that I can accept it?" CreationDate="2022-04-21T17:13:27.197" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27225" PostId="5313" Score="1" Text="I think that this is only displayed to *unregistered users* - so I am not sure whether this would be that useful. (Even if this is customized, there would be no additional information for users who have an account on MO.) I have asked also on [meta.se] - we'll see whether we got some kind of confirmation that only the unregistered users see this: [Is there a &quot;top banner&quot; also for new users or low-rep users?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/378208)" CreationDate="2022-04-24T05:32:02.150" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27231" PostId="5313" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak yes, as a registered user I never see such banners on any Stack Exchange sites. I've landed on quite a few where it was far from clear what the site is about. So this is an issue across Stack Exchange overall but I am primarily concerned with MathOverflow." CreationDate="2022-04-27T22:22:42.217" UserId="18050" />
  <row Id="27241" PostId="5313" Score="0" Text="@VitaliKapovitch Thanks to the post linked in the previous comment, I have learned about these posts: [Why was the welcome banner removed?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/129118) and [Can we continue to show the &quot;Take a tour&quot; banner after a user has created an account?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/217061) The latter is a feature request suggesting to show this banner to (some) registered users (on all sites). It was posted in 2014, so it seems unlikely that it gets implemented." CreationDate="2022-04-30T17:01:27.080" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27232" PostId="5314" Score="0" Text="Thank you. This certainly shows that something like this is possible technically. And I agree, the exact wording is a separate issue. Something like what shows in the banner that unregistered users see would be fine." CreationDate="2022-04-27T22:27:12.013" UserId="18050" />
  <row Id="27233" PostId="5314" Score="0" Text="@VitaliKapovitch As far as the wording goes, my guess is that some [modified and shortened version of the wording from the modal window]([What should the modal window for first-time askers say?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5007#5073)) could be reasonable. But that's an issue which only becomes relevant if MathOverflow decides to use this option." CreationDate="2022-04-28T10:46:49.933" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29514" PostId="5314" Score="0" Text="@VitaliKapovitch I have now posted this for a separate discussion here: [Should there be a banner on with some basic info about MO in the right sidebar?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5847)" CreationDate="2024-01-24T12:23:17.130" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27227" PostId="5315" Score="0" Text="Some related discussions on this meta: [What outgoing migration paths should we have?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/141), [Ability to flag for migration to other stackoverflow sites](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3849), [Option to migrate to CS Theory](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/572),  [Migration of questions to cs.SE?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2984), [Migration to Physics.SE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3428), [Migration site list lacks entries](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3486)." CreationDate="2022-04-25T04:16:03.870" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27230" PostId="5315" Score="1" Text="Since you have mentioned [hsm.se], probably it is worth adding that migrations to that site were seen rather unfavorably by some users: [Why was &quot;The origin(s) of the word “elliptic” migrated to hsm?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4566)  (Some time ago you have posted a related question here: [Is there a consensus on whether history of mathematics questions are acceptable on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/394))" CreationDate="2022-04-25T05:36:02.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27229" PostId="5316" Score="1" Text="I will add that the [users with 10k+ reputation](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/moderator-tools) have access to [various stats about migrations](https://mathoverflow.net/tools/posts/migrated/stats)" CreationDate="2022-04-25T05:18:34.393" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27247" PostId="5316" Score="0" Text="How can other questions be migrated if we can't vote to migrate them?  Is there some separate procedure for doing so, perhaps only in the reach of high-rep users, or does it have to be initiated by the asker themselves?" CreationDate="2022-05-01T14:31:05.563" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27248" PostId="5316" Score="0" Text="Moderators can do it.  If you are not a moderator you can flag for moderator attention if you think migration is appropriate." CreationDate="2022-05-01T16:33:14.940" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="27234" PostId="5318" Score="1" Text="It might be good to include the information about the MathJax Renderer you're using. (See here: [How do I change Math Renderer for MathJax?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30859)) And possibly you might include the rendered version of the formula, too. (So that other people can test how the same expression behaves for them - especially in case the linked post gets deleted.)" CreationDate="2022-04-30T04:48:46.143" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27235" PostId="5318" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5318/limits-on-overflowed-integrals-are-too-far-away-from-the-integral-sign#comment27234_5318)!  I have done so for the renderer.  When you say to include the rendered version, I guess you mean to include the MathJax source, so that the equation renders here, rather than just an image of the rendering that I see?  I have now done that, too." CreationDate="2022-04-30T10:20:22.017" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27249" PostId="5318" Score="4" Text="This was [fixed in MathJax version 2.7.8](https://github.com/mathjax/MathJax/issues/2139), but unfortunately, StackExchange has not upgraded from v2.7.5 (the current version for version 2 is 2.7.9).  The fix is for SE to upgrade to 2.7.8 or 2.7.9." CreationDate="2022-05-01T21:23:31.350" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="27285" PostId="5318" Score="1" Text="This is more a LaTEX suggestion, but when dealing with these spacing problem I use extensively the directive `\limits`: it looks often better $$\int\limits_0^\infty e^x dx\cdot\int\limits_0^\infty e^x dx=\int\limits_0^\infty (2 e^{2 x}-2 e^x)dx=2\int\limits_0^\infty e^{2 x}dx-2\int\limits_0^\infty e^x dx.$$" CreationDate="2022-05-07T15:25:50.137" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="27286" PostId="5318" Score="1" Text="@DanieleTampieri, thanks for the [suggestion](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5318/limits-on-overflowed-integrals-are-too-far-away-from-the-integral-sign#comment27285_5318)!  To me those integrals are far too tall, and I particularly don't like the effect when integrating over a set, like $\displaystyle\int\limits_{\mathbb R} e^x\mathrm dx$; but of course to each their own!  But anyway imposing it on everyone, whatever your and my tastes, probably isn't the solution, so hopefully we'll upgrade to the new MathJax soon." CreationDate="2022-05-07T15:30:27.790" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27289" PostId="5318" Score="1" Text="You're right, mine is only a suggestion based on my personal tastes: however, I also agree with you that, when dealing about an integral over a set $A$, $$\int_A f(x)\operatorname{d\!} x\;\text{ looks far better than }\;\int\limits_A f(x)\operatorname{d\!} x$$." CreationDate="2022-05-07T15:40:11.020" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="27237" PostId="5319" Score="5" Text="It seems that there can be only three custom close reasons - see: [How do moderators make changes to the site-specific closed question reasons?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/184637) and [How do moderators update custom off-topic reasons for their site?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/186031) Maybe somebody (the moderators?) can check whether this is still true. (However, even if the maximum is three, on MO there is still one free spot.)" CreationDate="2022-04-30T10:30:43.870" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27238" PostId="5319" Score="6" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes, there is presently one free slot. If there is agreement on this, I can add the proposed close reason there. (If it turns out that there are more important uses for that slot, it can be changed at any time.)" CreationDate="2022-04-30T11:18:19.823" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27239" PostId="5319" Score="5" Text="Re: *is there a standardized FAQ to which to redirect people*. This isn't exactly what you're asking for, but on [academia.se] there is this post: [I believe I have solved a famous open problem. How do I convince people in the field that I am not a crank?](https://academia.stackexchange.com/q/18491)" CreationDate="2022-04-30T11:30:36.210" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27240" PostId="5319" Score="2" Text="FWIW the style of that deleted question resembles a known &quot;repeat offender&quot;, but I don't know if it is appropriate to have a reason for closing that is &quot;we have told you repeatedly why your efforts in this direction are almost certainly doomed&quot;" CreationDate="2022-04-30T14:08:55.580" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27245" PostId="5319" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl, how do we express agreement?  (I definitely want more close reasons; and, though I don't know if &quot;spending&quot; a close reason on &quot;MO isn't the forum for proposed proofs of open problems&quot; is the best use of it, I don't have any obviously better candidate.  I do wish we had the old blunter reasons back ….)" CreationDate="2022-05-01T14:27:58.817" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27250" PostId="5319" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Some patience please ... ." CreationDate="2022-05-01T21:46:02.777" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27251" PostId="5319" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl, my [apologies](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5319/could-we-add-another-reason-for-closing-thats-more-appropriate-for-check-this#comment27250_5319); I did not mean to sound impatient." CreationDate="2022-05-02T01:14:22.773" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27253" PostId="5319" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Re: *how do we express agreement?* So far, this question has no answers. E.g., you (or somebody else) could post an answer with suggested wording for the new close reason. (And other users could up/downvote to show whether they agree or not.) Similarly, if somebody is against this new close reason, they could post an answer summarizing the arguments why it is not a good idea - and then MO users could show by voting on that answer whether or not they agree. (In the absence of answers, perhaps at last voting on the question says something about the (dis)agreement with the suggestion.)" CreationDate="2022-05-02T08:38:06.193" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27254" PostId="5319" Score="5" Text="Some journals do referee dubious proofs of major open problems - I have been asked to do this for the Annals. I don't think they're actually happy to have such papers sent their way, but the Journal of Number Theory is, since they charge for them (and pay the referee)." CreationDate="2022-05-02T12:22:23.460" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="27258" PostId="5319" Score="6" Text="If a new close reason is added, I think it should be as general as possible to handle many reasons of this type. Maybe &quot;This is a type of question disallowed by the site's rules&quot; and then a link to a page with some examples." CreationDate="2022-05-03T16:36:59.600" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="27271" PostId="5319" Score="4" Text="Martin points to a useful FAQ. Here's another link that contains a lot of useful and well thought out advice for an &quot;amateur&quot; who thinks they've proven a long-standing conjecture such as the Riemann hypothesis. This is where I tend to direct people who submit a short proof of RH or the Golbach or twin prime conjectures to a journal at which I'm an editor:&#xA;https://cohn.mit.edu/advice" CreationDate="2022-05-05T22:07:08.847" UserId="11926" />
  <row Id="27292" PostId="5319" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak Just recording that in addition to the useful Meta.SE links you [shared](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5319/could-we-add-another-reason-for-closing-thats-more-appropriate-for-check-this#comment27237_5319), there were important updates to the close system [in 2019](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/346638/question-close-updates)." CreationDate="2022-05-08T03:57:44.100" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27259" PostId="5321" Score="7" Text="Have you tried making sacrifices to long-forgotten gods? Statistically speaking, there's a better chance one of those is in charge of whatever thing you're trying to solve." CreationDate="2022-05-03T21:25:07.747" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27260" PostId="5321" Score="5" Text="I sacrificed a bull to Athena and an ibis to Thoth, but when they heard it wasn't on MathOverflow they were out of ideas" CreationDate="2022-05-03T21:29:54.040" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27261" PostId="5321" Score="4" Text="I said *long-forgotten*, clearly not Athena and Thoth. I was thinking more pre-Columbian deities of the Americas." CreationDate="2022-05-03T21:36:52.047" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27262" PostId="5321" Score="11" Text="Thanks, this is exactly the sort of lead I was hoping for!" CreationDate="2022-05-03T21:38:45.593" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27264" PostId="5321" Score="2" Text="I was thinking what tags might be suitable here. I thought that maybe ([meta-tag:closed-questions]) and perhaps also ([meta-tag:asking-questions]). If it is intended as a FAQ post, ([meta-tag:faq-proposed]) could be added." CreationDate="2022-05-03T23:01:40.500" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27265" PostId="5321" Score="5" Text="Some resources for your second point (not research-level) are listed here: [My question was closed on MO because it is not research level. Where should I ask instead?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3760) This post is linked also from [Frequently Asked Questions: MathOverflow FAQ](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/203#207) ([current revision](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/207/8)) and in the [help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic)." CreationDate="2022-05-04T04:07:04.250" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27268" PostId="5321" Score="4" Text="When you mentioned *discipline-specific mailing lists*, you reminded me of this post: [Mailing lists / Usenet groups for research math](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3214). (It is from 2017, quite a few things might have changed since then.)" CreationDate="2022-05-04T19:49:38.893" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27269" PostId="5321" Score="4" Text="Maybe I am posting too many links, but still I'll add two posts from [math.meta.se]: [What are some alternatives to math.stackexchange where discussions are allowed?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/34331) and [What is a good forum for math discussion?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/25878)" CreationDate="2022-05-05T05:30:08.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27273" PostId="5321" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak These links are fantastic, thanks! I guess the way I framed the question it might seem a bit daunting to try formatting them into the form of a (partial) answer. If you'd prefer not to write a (partial) answer yourself, I can try to compile some of these into a (partial) answer. Also, your suggestion that this might end up being something we could tag [meta-tag:faq-proposed] seems interesting. If it goes well enough, that may be exactly what we should do!" CreationDate="2022-05-06T14:47:04.580" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27327" PostId="5321" Score="0" Text="As [mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2022/5/14), I wasn't sure whether these questions would fit some of the categories listed in the question: [Most helpful math resources on the web](https://mathoverflow.net/q/2147) and [Atlas-like websites on specific areas of mathematics](https://mathoverflow.net/q/354327). Perhaps they could fall under &quot;0. Meta-resources&quot;?" CreationDate="2022-05-18T06:46:29.863" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27301" PostId="5323" Score="0" Text="I was really expecting to find a list of mathematical databases and a list of mathematical mailing lists on the AMS website, but I could not find either. I do hope that some of the mathematical communities on collaboration platforms mentioned above might become more openly discoverable somehow." CreationDate="2022-05-10T06:32:50.480" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27274" PostId="5324" Score="1" Text="I have noticed that several links on that page where I would expect https are actually http links. (For example, Google, Wikipedia, even &quot;How to ask a good MathOverflow question&quot;.) I'd guess that it is better to use https, if available. (I suppose that this isn't problem only here, see this post: [Help has non-HTTPS links in it](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/327823). But since the page is being edited anyway, perhaps it's natural to fix this, too.)" CreationDate="2022-05-06T18:02:24.923" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27275" PostId="5324" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks Martin, I've gone ahead and changed http to https everywhere except for the [Open Problem Garden](http://www.openproblemgarden.org/), which is currently giving me a &quot;bad gateway error&quot; but which I was sure worked for me a couple of days ago." CreationDate="2022-05-06T18:11:28.303" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27279" PostId="5324" Score="2" Text="&quot;make a query block on nLab,&quot; should perhaps be replaced by &quot;raise a query on the nForum&quot;. We have very much moved away from putting queries in nLab pages themselves." CreationDate="2022-05-07T02:52:42.437" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27282" PostId="5324" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts That's kind of a funny section anyway. I would think it's not really very common for somebody to ask on the nforum for somebody to write an exposition on some topic, and then be told &quot;sure, we'll get right on that&quot; -- right?" CreationDate="2022-05-07T14:05:52.267" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27350" PostId="5324" Score="1" Text="I think it looks good. &quot;Mathematical questions related to current research in mathematics&quot; seems like a reasonable thing to say, but it appears three times in the first few paragraphs. The entire sentence &quot;MathOverflow's primary goal is for users to ask and answer mathematical questions related to current research in mathematics.&quot; appears twice. Removing the sentence the first time it appears would be an improvement, in my opinion." CreationDate="2022-05-23T15:41:48.317" UserId="468" />
  <row Id="27276" PostId="5325" Score="2" Text="I feel that the two most common reasons for which I vote to close a question are ① “this is homework” (in which case I click the “not research level math” because homework, from people who didn't even bother to *try*, isn't appropriate for MSE either; but anyway, “not research level math” is clear enough, so I'm happy with it), and ② some variation around “this is not a place to get your proof of &lt;famous conjecture&gt; checked” (in which case I also click “not research level”, but for reasons explained in the present question, I'm not super happy with it)." CreationDate="2022-05-06T18:37:27.830" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="27277" PostId="5325" Score="0" Text="You write that it is not possible for the moderators to edit the description in an existing close reason, but then you suggest it's worth keeping the second site-specific close reason in some form. How can we keep it in any form other than its current form, if it can't be edited?" CreationDate="2022-05-07T02:26:24.983" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27278" PostId="5325" Score="0" Text="I find the reason &quot;This question does not appear to be about research mathematics within the scope defined in the help center.&quot; to be not so much site-specific, as an instance of &quot;This question does not appear to be about [site topic] within the scope defined in the help center.&quot;. I agree that editing the reason to not just use such boilerplate language would be a good move, if only to specify that a _very narrow class of research-level questions_ are off-topic, namely checking claimed proofs of famous conjectures" CreationDate="2022-05-07T02:42:49.527" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27280" PostId="5325" Score="4" Text="@GerryMyerson I'm willing to contemplate the idea of deleting a close reason, and then creating a new, similar but better close reason to replace it." CreationDate="2022-05-07T13:58:36.523" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27281" PostId="5325" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Agreed -- it's really only &quot;site-specific&quot; in the technical sense that we have the control to directly delete it if we like (and replace it with something similar but new if we like.)" CreationDate="2022-05-07T14:00:10.083" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27298" PostId="5325" Score="2" Text="Partly to get my own thoughts straightened out on this broader question, I've opened up a [broader meta question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5327/revamping-the-closure-reasons-in-2022)." CreationDate="2022-05-09T23:30:23.583" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27283" PostId="5326" Score="5" Text="I have to admit that it's not clear to me what is actually the question. (To me it sounds like a question about some kind of [meta-tag:trackbacks] - but I was unaware of such feature in ZentralBlatt.) Still, I will mention that there is a tag ([meta-tag:citations]) here on meta - perhaps looking in that tag you might find some related questions. (And it might be a suitable tag for this question, too.)" CreationDate="2022-05-07T14:56:47.200" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27284" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="Thanks @MartinSleziak, I added the tag you suggested" CreationDate="2022-05-07T15:01:57.927" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="27287" PostId="5326" Score="1" Text="So just to clarify (since for me it was unclear before I saw an example): When I look at [Zbl 0384.26002](https://www.zbmath.org/?q=an%3A0384.26002) on their website, I see there a link: &quot;MathOverflow Questions: [Generalisation of Cauchy’s mean value theorem](https://mathoverflow.net/a/412290)&quot;. So basically you're asking under which conditions the link back to MO appears on the Zentralblatt's  website, right?" CreationDate="2022-05-07T15:33:43.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27288" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, yes. Nearly few months ago, I noticed the linking back from zbMATH Open, and I wonder why it as not worked for my answer to that question." CreationDate="2022-05-07T15:36:18.873" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="27290" PostId="5326" Score="2" Text="This may simply be an issue with the specific URL you used to cite zbMATH, i.e., https://zbmath.org/?format=complete&amp;q=an:0089.19103 instead of https://www.zbmath.org/?q=an:0384.26002.  It may be the case that only the latter form is detected." CreationDate="2022-05-07T20:02:56.003" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="27291" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="Thanks @DmitriPavlov: I'll try to change the seemingly &quot;ill&quot; defined links." CreationDate="2022-05-07T20:05:01.167" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="27293" PostId="5326" Score="1" Text="@DmitriPavlov and Daniele Tampieri: I found 8 posts containing links in the other format, the complete list [is here](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2022/5/8), one can use [this search](https://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=active&amp;q=url%3a%22%2Azbmath.org/?format%2A%22). I did not go through all of them - but in the ones I checked, there's isn't a trackback either." CreationDate="2022-05-08T14:02:55.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27294" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I don't yet have the full proof that Dmitri has solved the problem, but I'll try to fix all of them following his suggestion, and let's see." CreationDate="2022-05-08T14:23:24.313" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="27297" PostId="5326" Score="1" Text="On a different but related note, it seems that trackbacks are also not recorded wherever the old URL [`zentralblatt-math.org`](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3A%22*zentralblatt-math.org*%22) was used." CreationDate="2022-05-09T19:30:52.413" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27306" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist: thanks for pointing it out. I just noticed that the trackback now works for the first link I modified according what Dmitri Pavlov's findings: from now on I'll change also the old URL links." CreationDate="2022-05-10T19:20:01.773" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="27307" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov, if you'll change your comment to an answer, I'll upvote and accept it." CreationDate="2022-05-10T19:23:25.223" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="27299" PostId="5327" Score="0" Text="In our custom reasons pane, can we have three *plus* the &quot;other&quot; option? I think it's handy having that as a backup in case. But I'm willing to be convinced that we might not need it, if the given reasons are better suited for what we need" CreationDate="2022-05-09T23:58:20.093" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27300" PostId="5327" Score="3" Text="@DavidRoberts Ah yes, the count of 3 does not include the &quot;other&quot; option." CreationDate="2022-05-10T00:14:03.760" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27302" PostId="5327" Score="2" Text="As to &quot;7. Cross-post -- duplicate.&quot; -- Unfortunately, cross-posted questions cannot be closed as duplicates, as the duplicate must be on the same site." CreationDate="2022-05-10T08:02:00.627" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27303" PostId="5327" Score="2" Text="The &quot;open problem&quot; option is a quite bad one to my opinion. Many good questions turn out to be good open problems, which nobody wants to close. One certainly has in mind those &quot;famous&quot; open problems, which attract lots of poor questions. And maybe less famous but well-documented ones. (I remember some abusive closure votes, when one OP, for a very specific, presumably original problem, instead of asking &quot;is this true&quot;, said &quot;I conjecture this is true&quot;.)" CreationDate="2022-05-10T08:24:34.803" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27309" PostId="5327" Score="0" Text="Not a useful contribution I'm afraid, but I have to say, StackExchange limiting the number of site-specific close reasons to such a small number as 3 seems strangely petty: it's not like a reason to close is resource-consuming, and since they're chosen by the site moderators, it's not like J. Random User can add their own. (I'm not saying having two dozens would be wise, but putting a hard limit at just *three*… come on!)" CreationDate="2022-05-10T22:43:23.443" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="27313" PostId="5327" Score="0" Text="@Gro-Tsen Judging by the response this discussion, it seems that SE can add *more custom close reasons* when requested: [Can we have more than 3 custom close reasons, pretty please?](https://meta.askubuntu.com/q/6994) (Specifically, this is about adding one more custom close reason on [ubuntu.se]. The same post says that [so] has 5.) The linked post is from 2013 - I do not know whether things changed since then. I would expect something like this to be rather rare." CreationDate="2022-05-11T04:36:40.430" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27314" PostId="5327" Score="0" Text="I would be in favour of any &quot;checking work&quot; closure reason, to allow the querying of some specific technical aspect of a piece of work (provided the question met all the other acceptance criteria) but dissallowed extensive checking of multiple components of a lengthy exposition." CreationDate="2022-05-11T08:49:34.043" UserId="91341" />
  <row Id="27315" PostId="5327" Score="2" Text="Also, given the broad range of closure reasons and the small amount of sapce available for pre-canned explanations, is it possible to include text within the dialog box *that the CLOSER sees* encouraging them to leave a comment explaining their vote (or even better a space for them to enter their comment). Otherwise, when the OP is directed to a policy page with such a broad range of reasons, it will often be unclear to them which reasons are specific to their case." CreationDate="2022-05-11T08:55:32.220" UserId="91341" />
  <row Id="27319" PostId="5331" Score="2" Text="The links ought to be annotated. For example, what is the gist of each of those sites (in this context)? What is their use (in this context)? What do they contain (notable in this context)? What are some limitations, gotchas, or caveats?" CreationDate="2022-05-12T18:45:07.040" UserId="48348" />
  <row Id="27304" PostId="5332" Score="6" Text="Quick answer from my phone, (1) don't take these things personally. As long as it's a single vote to close, don't overthink it. (2) No, we do not have voting record access. But, again, don't take it too personally, and I know it's hard to do." CreationDate="2022-05-10T14:07:04.507" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27305" PostId="5332" Score="2" Text="To add some reference to the 2nd point (already mentioned by Asaf Karagila), here is a related post on [meta.se]: [Is there a way to see who voted on your posts?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/12984)" CreationDate="2022-05-10T14:17:24.020" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27308" PostId="5332" Score="0" Text="The same thing happened to me a couple of year ago in [this Math.SE answer](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3678005/what-does-it-mean-for-something-to-be-linear/3702984#3702984): that answer (the accepted one) has been downvoted two times at a distance of a year between thee two downvotes and without any explanation (however, I suspect these possibly are consequences of my post reviewing activity). There's nothing you can do for it." CreationDate="2022-05-10T19:47:30.893" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="27311" PostId="5332" Score="1" Text="For your second question, note that MO attempts automatically to detect and reverse &quot;serial voting&quot;.  If you believe that this has not happened after at least 24 hours have passed, then you can flag one of your affected posts for moderator attention, and explain what you believe has happened." CreationDate="2022-05-10T23:24:55.193" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27316" PostId="5332" Score="0" Text="BTW if suspected serial (down)voting is part of the question, the tag ([meta-tag:serial-voting]) might be suitable. I will add that some pointers about the topic can be found [in the corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/serial-voting/info).)" CreationDate="2022-05-11T15:49:57.477" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27317" PostId="5332" Score="0" Text="This happens to me with relative frequency, moreso as of late; I think the ever present ‘culture cold-war’ of MO is picking up steam for some reason. It does make it slightly less pleasant to engage with the site, but this place is valuable enough (to me) that it’s ultimately irrelevant — the math is what matters, and the people who know the relevant math are (often) here. Best of luck, I upvoted your question (and voted to leave it open)." CreationDate="2022-05-12T01:31:02.623" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="27310" PostId="5334" Score="6" Text="I think that there is a meaningful difference between &quot;this post does not belong on MO or MSE&quot; and &quot;this post is not the right level for MO, but could do well on MSE.&quot;  (MSE folks have explicitly asked, reasonably, that we not view MSE as a dumping ground for all questions that don't belong here.)  I don't think that the current wording makes this as clear as it could be, but I'm not sure that doing away with the distinction entirely is the solution." CreationDate="2022-05-10T23:23:22.690" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27312" PostId="5334" Score="1" Text="It seems that the two close reasons were introduced here: [Revamping the closure reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1193).  (This thread is already linked in Tim Campion's post.) Several posts [linked to that post](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/1193) are related to the fact that they are similar and whether or not it is good to have them as two separate close votes reasons." CreationDate="2022-05-11T04:31:42.753" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27321" PostId="5334" Score="3" Text="I have rarely seen an off topic question here that would go down well on MSE. Yes, there are examples, but they are few. Most of the stuff we close for &quot;level&quot; wouldn't fit into MSE. So, let's not suggest people to go there if their questions are not up to pat and will be closed anyway. It's cruel to them and it's cruel to the MSE community." CreationDate="2022-05-14T06:39:14.283" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27322" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Well, at the moment all available custom close reasons are formulated in a way which directly or indirectly leads to [math.se]. (There is an option to migrate and the close reason which has a direct link to that site. And the third one [links to the help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic) - if the user actually bothers reading it, they'll get to the list of sites which includes [math.se]. At the same time, if somebody is willing to read the help center, perhaps they would at least have a look at the guidelines for new MSE users.)" CreationDate="2022-05-14T09:22:31.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27323" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="In the other words, I would consider sending a user to [math.se] perfectly find - provided they are given some pointers to things which are expected from posts on that site. For example, I have seen comments on MO which are somewhat similar to the suggestions given here: [Comment template for questions more appropriate for MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971)." CreationDate="2022-05-14T09:26:10.277" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27324" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="I like the proposed &quot;not a forum to post announcements of new results or proofs to be checked&quot; but as currently worded, it sounds like it's limited to questions of the form, &quot;Is my proof of P=NP correct?&quot; and does not include &quot;Has anybody checked John Doe's recent arXiv preprint claiming to prove P=NP?&quot; Perhaps it could be reworded to include both types of questions, since the latter are also common, and usually merit closure." CreationDate="2022-05-17T02:12:33.197" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="27325" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow I see what you mean; on the other hand, saying, e.g., “not a forum to post announcements of new results or checking the correctness of proofs” would be too broad (we can and do discuss the correctness of proofs on MO). Maybe “not a forum to post announcements of new results or checking the correctness of their proofs”?" CreationDate="2022-05-17T08:11:34.300" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="27326" PostId="5334" Score="3" Text="@Gro-Tsen That would be okay. Another approach could be something like, &quot;not a forum for evaluating unverified solutions of well-known open problems.&quot;" CreationDate="2022-05-17T16:42:01.150" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="27318" PostId="5335" Score="6" Text="Thanks for reaching out to the MathOverflow community, it is certainly appreaciated!" CreationDate="2022-05-12T09:25:19.463" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27390" PostId="5335" Score="2" Text="Thank you so much Isabel. I apologize for my later in thanking you earlier, but I think that @MartinSleziak did a good job in [his comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5326/are-there-policies-to-respect-in-order-for-mathoverflow-qas-to-be-tracked-back#comment27318_5335). I'd also like to point out that I accepted Dmitri's answer not because your own is worser, but because he has been the first to realize where the problem was: I consider both your answers as a solution to the problem I posed." CreationDate="2022-06-04T21:20:28.510" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="28284" PostId="5335" Score="2" Text="It seems that you also check for links to zbMATH reviews in comments, not just in questions and answers (for instance, [this review](https://zbmath.org/1121.11057) has two links, one to an answer and another to a comment). How often do you run a check for such links in comments? I ask because I noticed that some of my comments containing such links have been picked up for trackbacks while others have not." CreationDate="2023-02-05T10:02:34.833" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28285" PostId="5335" Score="0" Text="We run our script every day (it uses the StackExchangeAPI to get all posts changed since the last run). It takes a few days until the links appear on zbmath.org. If some links have not been picked up for trackbacks it might be due to a bug in our script. Could you give me an example for such a comment?" CreationDate="2023-02-06T08:03:24.720" UserId="163637" />
  <row Id="28286" PostId="5335" Score="0" Text="There are 30 comments of mine that were not picked up for trackbacks. These are: \[[1](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1087737)], \[[2](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1092361)], \[[3](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1092981)], \[[4](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1098010)], \[[5](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1099951)], \[[6](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1105005)], \[[7](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1105006)], \[[8](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1105871)], \[[9](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1105909)], ..." CreationDate="2023-02-07T03:59:57.803" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28287" PostId="5335" Score="0" Text="... \[[10](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1106734)], \[[11](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1106895)], \[[12](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1106946)], \[[13](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1106948)], \[[14](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1107085)], \[[15](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1107088)], \[[16](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1107828)], \[[17](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1108030)], \[[18](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1108292)], \[[19](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1108412)], ..." CreationDate="2023-02-07T04:00:56.967" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28288" PostId="5335" Score="0" Text="... \[[20](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1108413)], \[[21](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1108503)], \[[22](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1123303)], \[[23](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1123890)], \[[24](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1125062)], \[[25](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1125465)], \[[26](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1125550)], \[[27](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1125732)], \[[28](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1125733)], \[[29](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1131105)], ..." CreationDate="2023-02-07T04:01:18.460" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28289" PostId="5335" Score="0" Text="... \[[30](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1135426)]. (Also, some comments of mine _were_ picked up for trackbacks, but they do not look any different from many of these examples in terms of the formatting of the zbMATH review links.)" CreationDate="2023-02-07T04:02:46.687" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28290" PostId="5335" Score="1" Text="This seems to be a bug in our script. I try to figure out what went wrong and fix it." CreationDate="2023-02-07T07:57:26.207" UserId="163637" />
  <row Id="28305" PostId="5335" Score="1" Text="I adjusted our script and it should pick up more comments now. I looked at the examples given by @the-amplitwist and they have been picked up by the adjusted script." CreationDate="2023-02-10T07:39:07.660" UserId="163637" />
  <row Id="28433" PostId="5335" Score="1" Text="@IsabelBeckenbach I found a few more instances where the zbMATH review links were not picked up for trackbacks. In the posts \[[A](https://mathoverflow.net/a/74277)\] and \[[B](https://mathoverflow.net/q/75514)\], I used the OR operator `|` to link multiple reviews, but it seems only the first review in each case was picked up for trackbacks. In the comment \[[C](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1141420)\], I placed a review link in a tooltip, and it has not been picked for the trackback." CreationDate="2023-04-03T07:57:28.543" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28442" PostId="5335" Score="2" Text="I will have a look at it!" CreationDate="2023-04-04T09:08:34.310" UserId="163637" />
  <row Id="28443" PostId="5335" Score="1" Text="The link for the comment [C](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/80060/embedding-commutative-associative-rings-in-non-associative-rings/80066#comment1141420_80066) was picked (see https://zbmath.org/0990.11018). Regarding the OR operator: I use a regular expression to extract a zbl id which does not work in this case. I will adjust this." CreationDate="2023-04-04T12:52:27.507" UserId="163637" />
  <row Id="28499" PostId="5335" Score="1" Text="I changed the scraping script on the zbmath side. Now, both review joined by an OR operator should be picked up for trackbacks." CreationDate="2023-04-24T07:30:18.600" UserId="163637" />
  <row Id="27328" PostId="5340" Score="2" Text="Some suggestions can be found here: [Comment template for questions more appropriate for MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971). However, I do not see there a template which I would consider an improvement of your wording." CreationDate="2022-05-18T17:02:44.673" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27329" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="BTW I was considering the tags ([meta-tag:user-scripts]) and ([meta-tag:comments]) for this question." CreationDate="2022-05-18T17:10:31.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27330" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="Why does it only work if you opt-in for viewing users' reputation?  Surely a question is blatantly off-topic because of its content, even if asked by a high-reputation user." CreationDate="2022-05-18T21:46:16.857" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27332" PostId="5340" Score="1" Text="@LSpice true; the link to activate the script is only shown when the [user meets certain conditions](https://github.com/Glorfindel83/SE-Userscripts/blob/163bbbb0f8483f3c172cb5b77d82b68f0f6e1953/saviour-of-lost-souls/saviour-of-lost-souls.user.js#L94). This is mainly to avoid accidents (though there is a confirmation popup as well), and on Meta.SE I've used it hundreds of times already and only last week I noticed a 'lost soul' which the script didn't detect as such." CreationDate="2022-05-19T06:32:08.400" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="27335" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="I’ve seen those comments, but the first sentence is too friendly and too false for my taste, since the following sentences are not welcoming the poster here." CreationDate="2022-05-19T16:24:35.247" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27336" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="Compare: “Hi, welcome to the club! This site is for people cooler and with a different orientation than you. Please have a look at this other club which has a more general clientele. Check their guidelines for attire to make sure you are in good shape when you go. Your clothes are definitely not good enough here and better suited for hanging out at home.”" CreationDate="2022-05-19T16:30:45.693" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27339" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="@MattF. fair enough, thanks for the feedback. Any tips to make the next sentences more welcoming?" CreationDate="2022-05-19T19:03:44.623" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="27341" PostId="5340" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel, my preferred edit would replace the whole phrase “welcome to MathOverflow!” with a simple period. I don’t see how  or why to welcome a poster with an inappropriate question and no history of activity on the site." CreationDate="2022-05-19T19:12:58.913" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27343" PostId="5340" Score="1" Text="@MattF. right. I guess we (the Meta.SE regulars) appreciated that part because a while ago we were told [we need to be more welcoming](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/342779/295232) and I recall some iterations for the comment regarding that during the inception of the script." CreationDate="2022-05-19T19:22:25.437" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="27365" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="Some possible comments were discussed here - although that post seems to be specifically about homework: [How to make welcoming comments on &quot;homework-like&quot; posts that will be closed?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5200)" CreationDate="2022-05-27T05:21:52.760" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27331" PostId="5341" Score="3" Text="The link to [Math.SE] is also in the standard close reason *MathOverflow is for mathematicians to ask each other questions about their research. See Math.StackExchange to ask general questions in mathematics.*, that was my main motivation to include it too. They'll see that link sooner or later, and I thought it better to give them some guidance." CreationDate="2022-05-19T06:27:24.047" UserId="70594" />
  <row Id="27333" PostId="5341" Score="2" Text="@Glorfindel:  Yes, I'd very much like to see that standard close reason eliminated also, or at least used only sparingly for well-posed questions that actually **would** be appropriate at MSE." CreationDate="2022-05-19T10:22:19.257" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="27334" PostId="5341" Score="2" Text="This reminds me a bit of the previous discussion here: [Homework and migrating to math.se](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1248). Of course, if there are some suggestions how the *custom close reasons* should be changed, one of the moderators recently asked for input from the MO users here: [Revamping the closure reasons in 2022](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5327)." CreationDate="2022-05-19T10:52:39.633" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27348" PostId="5341" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel that close reason is not to be used for the kind of questions we are talking about. I personally consider using it only if I'm confident that the question would fit math.SE if posted *verbatim*." CreationDate="2022-05-22T14:05:16.200" UserId="43054" />
  <row Id="27349" PostId="5341" Score="1" Text="@DenisNardin Of course, the other close reason (&quot;This question does not appear to be about research level mathematics within the scope defined in the help center.&quot;) might lead the user to [math.se] - but in that case, they have to do a few more clicks and the link is much less prominent. (At the same time, if the user is willing to read help center here at MO, they are more likely to do the same on [math.se].)" CreationDate="2022-05-23T10:04:08.557" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27353" PostId="5346" Score="6" Text="It is definitely good to use the citation helper: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/2583/new-feature-citation-helper" CreationDate="2022-05-26T15:58:54.327" UserId="12898" />
  <row Id="27355" PostId="5346" Score="0" Text="@AndrásBátkai That is awesome, I agree with Asaf's comment -- if you wanted to post it as an answer I suspect the community would agree that it's a good standard." CreationDate="2022-05-26T16:03:34.023" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="27367" PostId="5346" Score="5" Text="Whatever you do, please DO NOT link directly to a pdf. Link to an informative meta-page instead, such as an abstract with bibliographic information. Leave the decision to download the pdf to the reader." CreationDate="2022-05-28T07:10:28.540" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27368" PostId="5346" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Good point, will do in the future and I’ll do my best to edit past posts and correct direct-to-pdf links." CreationDate="2022-05-28T10:39:20.363" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="27370" PostId="5346" Score="3" Text="At a minimum, I think it good scholarly behaviour to include at minimum the authors and title, so that a human reader familiar with the literature can instantly recognise the reference, and if a link breaks, an alternative can be (almost always) found by a simple cut and paste of the given information in a search engine." CreationDate="2022-05-29T09:22:29.247" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27383" PostId="5346" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek What about slides or course notes, for which there may not be a meta-page?" CreationDate="2022-06-03T22:51:28.217" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="27384" PostId="5346" Score="2" Text="@TimothyChow That’s unlikely, really: how would a link to the slides spring into existence in the first place, if it didn’t appear, say, on the author’s web page? Even Google cannot just pull it out of thin air. But anyway, if the original page looks unsuitable, you can at least include as much meta-information as possible in the text: don’t just write “see example.edu/~jnd/shhhj.pdf”, but “John Doe, On regular shmips, slides for a talk at the Blomp workshop, 2013, 65 slides, 874 kB”." CreationDate="2022-06-04T07:19:53.810" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27388" PostId="5346" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek What I have taken to doing in such cases (no DOI or arXiv link) is to link to the Wayback Machine rather than the author's web page. If it's not in the Wayback Machine then the Wayback Machine will usually offer the option of archiving on the spot. If it's a PDF file then I have only been archiving the PDF file. But it sounds like you're saying I should archive the webpage as well as the PDF and point to the archived webpage. I can see some value to that, although it would not have occurred to me to do this extra work until I saw your strong opinion about not linking to PDF files." CreationDate="2022-06-04T13:14:57.820" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="27389" PostId="5346" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek See [this MO answer](https://mathoverflow.net/a/331887) for an example where linking to the Wayback Machine PDF file directly seems to be the natural thing to do. I admit that probably I should just edit the answer rather than add the link in the comment. Probably I'll do that after you see this comment." CreationDate="2022-06-04T13:20:31.140" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="27357" PostId="5347" Score="2" Text="It turns out that the citation helper [does not work on touchscreen devices](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3237/183188). A drawback, but perhaps not a serious one..." CreationDate="2022-05-26T18:33:58.207" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27356" PostId="5348" Score="0" Text="I think these are great points, thank you for the input Martin." CreationDate="2022-05-26T17:12:36.070" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="27362" PostId="5348" Score="0" Text="Project Euclid seems to go out of their way to hide any relevant DOI.  Do you know a way to find it?" CreationDate="2022-05-27T03:37:21.380" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27364" PostId="5348" Score="0" Text="@LSpice This seems tangential to this question (and answer), so I left some response concerning Project Euclid and doi in the [MO editors' lounge](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2022/5/27).&#xA;(Dead links are discussed in the [Boulevard](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/135583), too. And there is a separate question about PE: [Can (and should) Project Euclid links be replaced in bulk?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5301))" CreationDate="2022-05-27T05:00:44.043" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27391" PostId="5354" Score="7" Text="That's very sad news." CreationDate="2022-06-04T21:41:14.133" UserId="1310" />
  <row Id="27385" PostId="5363" Score="5" Text="We are revising the custom closing reasons at the moment. You may experience some technical difficulties." CreationDate="2022-06-04T08:20:35.383" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27387" PostId="5363" Score="9" Text="@GeraldEdgar Yes, this is a question about MO. As mentioned above (and in the linked posts), one of the close reasons here on MO used to say: &quot;MathOverflow is for mathematicians to ask each other questions about their research. See Math.StackExchange to ask general questions in mathematics.&quot;" CreationDate="2022-06-04T11:12:39.387" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27392" PostId="5363" Score="2" Text="@AsafKaragila Any timeframe on when these difficulties might get solved? The missing close reason is one I (and I’m sure many other close voters) used the most often." CreationDate="2022-06-05T06:21:29.980" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27393" PostId="5363" Score="6" Text="@EmilJeřábek: If not by tomorrow, then by Tuesday. Let me also add that it was a useless closing reason in 90% of the times it was used. Badly written questions shouldn't be sent elsewhere, they should just be closed." CreationDate="2022-06-05T08:51:19.660" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27394" PostId="5363" Score="5" Text="It's the ideal close reason for questions that are not quite suitable for migration, but nevertheless would be on-topic at math.SE, and last but not least, it serves the purpose of directing the OP to math.SE for their *future* questions." CreationDate="2022-06-05T13:20:20.463" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27395" PostId="5363" Score="8" Text="@EmilJeřábek The updated &quot;not research level mathematics&quot; close reason will point users to Math.SE, with a somewhat longer and better explanation." CreationDate="2022-06-05T14:01:36.590" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27396" PostId="5363" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: It is the ideal, yes. But the bar is sufficiently high that hardly any question is ideal for that closing reason." CreationDate="2022-06-06T09:13:32.213" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27409" PostId="5363" Score="0" Text="So new closing option has been added. Martin, you might update the question? (it's partly addressed by https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5364/ but I'm not sure the latter is optimally formulated, and it makes little mention of the removed option)" CreationDate="2022-06-15T20:44:38.347" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27397" PostId="5364" Score="4" Text="I don't think your example should come under this. It is, I assume, aimed squarely at checking proof claims of famous open conjectures, or oversimplistic attempts on hard theorems (eg 4ct, flt...). The &quot;check this preprint&quot; description doesn't work if the argument is typed directly on MO, hence the last clause. I do think the wording could be improved slightly. (PS Looking forward to your note when it lands!)" CreationDate="2022-06-07T21:58:26.123" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27400" PostId="5364" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts That was the other possible interpretation I walked away with; I totally support adding a close reason for questions of that nature, and also think it could be worded a bit more clearly. (That is very kind, thank you!)" CreationDate="2022-06-08T03:31:25.447" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="27401" PostId="5364" Score="1" Text="Since some people might have missed those discussions, perhaps it is worth including links to: [Revamping the closure reasons in 2022](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5327) and [Could we add another reason for closing that's more appropriate for &quot;check this (dis)proof of RH&quot;-type questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5319)" CreationDate="2022-06-08T04:24:29.480" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27402" PostId="5364" Score="2" Text="Based on the comments by the moderators posted on my recent question, it seems that they are still working on the modifications of the close reasons: [Was the custom close reason mentioning Math.SE removed?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5363) (One of the comments suggests that they plan to change the first reasons form your screenshot.) I assume that they might make some kind of announcement on meta about these changes at some point." CreationDate="2022-06-08T04:24:52.740" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27448" PostId="5364" Score="1" Text="It seems that the mods finished the changes to the custom close reasons - and the they did not change this one since your post. The details can be seen in Tim Campion's answer: [Revamping the closure reasons in 2022](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5327#5379)" CreationDate="2022-06-29T12:28:32.750" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27403" PostId="5365" Score="8" Text="Conjecture: soft questions are more comprehensible to most participants, active and passive, on this site.  A substantial research problem often requires a certain amount of specialised knowledge to appreciate its qualities.  Hence the former have a much greater potential audience (and so group of potential upvoters).  One can observe a similar phenomenon between branches of mathematics on the site--some are more accessible to a transparent formulation of (often quite deep) problems and this can be reflected in the comparative number of upvotes." CreationDate="2022-06-08T10:02:08.420" UserId="317800" />
  <row Id="27404" PostId="5367" Score="10" Text="To avoid such drift in this case, change the title to mention the main point of the question.  As it is now, those &quot;drift&quot; answers are merely about the title." CreationDate="2022-06-09T13:18:20.960" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27405" PostId="5367" Score="5" Text="If the actual question does not quite make sense, people tend to answer the question that (in their opinion) should have been asked. In the example you mention, a competent editor ought to already know to do, or at least whom to ask for advice when in doubt (e.g., a more senior editor). Seeking advice online is not appropriate. I think, a better question is what a person who wants to submit a &quot;classic&quot; paper should be doing." CreationDate="2022-06-12T13:13:59.917" UserId="1573" />
  <row Id="27406" PostId="5367" Score="3" Text="@IgorBelegradek I understand that, but I think your first sentence tends to apply even without the conditional clause - in other words, people tend not read the damn question. FWIW I don't think it is a particularly great question for MO, although I have not voted to close; one reason I posted on meta is to try and get people to notice what the question is asking, and hence to stop posting their own favourite examples in the vein of &quot;here's a Radiohead B-side I like and you probably haven't heard of&quot;" CreationDate="2022-06-12T17:52:14.303" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27407" PostId="5367" Score="4" Text="I am fine with it, I think we do not need yet more policies. Big-list questions are rare these days, and I've found some fascinating details from the answers in this case." CreationDate="2022-06-14T01:01:55.723" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="27413" PostId="5367" Score="1" Text="I regard the question as (more or less) an example of [stone soup](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1046). The question as literally asked is too opinion-based and should probably be closed. But amassing facts about how editors *have* reacted can inform opinions about how they *should* react, and that is what people have been doing. Even case studies in which no editor was involved (because the paper was apparently never submitted) can indirectly indicate how people think editors *would* have reacted. As far as stone soup is concerned, I see this question as a success and not a failure." CreationDate="2022-06-18T13:18:12.797" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="27414" PostId="5367" Score="1" Text="In my own answer, I said that I thought the community ought to be doing more to encourage publication of such unpublished classics. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that this is the &quot;right&quot; answer and that (for example) the AMS decides that they are going to look into the question and perhaps try to change community standards. The first thing to do, before trying to fix something, is to assess if it's broken. Collecting data about past examples is, I would argue, at least as relevant and productive as conducting a pure opinion poll." CreationDate="2022-06-18T13:27:12.837" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="27417" PostId="5371" Score="2" Text="I will just mention that both questions you mentioned as examples were in the HNQ list. This can be seen in the revision history ([425042](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/425042/revisions), [413468](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/413468/revisions)) and in the timeline ([425042](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/425042/timeline), [413468](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/413468/timeline))." CreationDate="2022-06-20T15:00:07.140" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27587" PostId="5371" Score="3" Text="The things you mentioned in you recent edit (&quot;users who don't normally participate much at MO having such a powerful impact on our site&quot;) would be resolved if some of these suggestions were implemented: [The association bonus should not enable users to vote on every site](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/183109) or [Prevent questions on the Hot List from being upvoted by casual visitors (only rep is from association bonus)](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/238420)." CreationDate="2022-08-11T13:28:57.967" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27420" PostId="5372" Score="0" Text="Just as a reminder I will add that https://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/ will redirect to tqft - which does not work now. The particular thread that you mention [can be found in Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20151031151418/https://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/). And - as mentioned in the post you linked - I made at least temporary backup [on my website](https://msleziak.com/mathoverflow/tea/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/)." CreationDate="2022-06-21T06:45:10.653" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27421" PostId="5372" Score="0" Text="In case it is useful, the creation of the redirect was announced here: [tea.mathoverflow.net deprecated](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3960)." CreationDate="2022-06-21T06:58:41.540" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27422" PostId="5372" Score="0" Text="When I searched in the Wayback machine, I put the link I got from Carlo: http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=4242. I then had the idea to change it to https://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/247/, and got nothing. But the link Martin gave is https://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/. The lesson is that the Wayback machine cares about what comes after the number in the URL (even if your web browser doesn't, and redirects)" CreationDate="2022-06-21T11:21:12.223" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="27425" PostId="5372" Score="0" Text="In case some of them are useful somebody, here is a  link to [a few comments in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/19138/conversation/looking-for-tea-in-the-wayback-machine)." CreationDate="2022-06-22T13:24:25.773" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27427" PostId="5374" Score="3" Text="I don't see it now. It may have been a temporary issue.  It's apparently a pretty normal temporary glitch when Stack Exchange updates their sprite sheets (as for the creation of a new site)." CreationDate="2022-06-23T01:34:29.577" UserId="170778" />
  <row Id="27428" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="@Buzz I can still see it now." CreationDate="2022-06-23T04:13:15.957" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27429" PostId="5374" Score="2" Text="I don't see it. Have you tried clearing your cache?" CreationDate="2022-06-23T05:29:42.253" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27430" PostId="5374" Score="3" Text="MSE: [Stack Exchange site icons displaying incorrectly in Hot Network Questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/379726/stack-exchange-site-icons-displaying-incorrectly-in-hot-network-questions)" CreationDate="2022-06-23T09:03:38.957" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27431" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="Is this consistent across browsers, devices, and operating systems?" CreationDate="2022-06-23T11:15:02.453" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27432" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="No. On my Android tablet, but with same browser as on my Mac, things are fine." CreationDate="2022-06-23T11:42:08.297" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27447" PostId="5374" Score="1" Text="OK, it seems to be fixed now. I tried force refreshing every now and then over several days, but now with no effort on my part it's back to normal." CreationDate="2022-06-29T03:29:10.450" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27433" PostId="5376" Score="2" Text="Thanks heaps to the team!" CreationDate="2022-06-25T01:56:37.567" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27434" PostId="5378" Score="1" Text="I think that if you have seen that in your reputation tab, you can click on &quot;learn more&quot; to get to the [help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/serial-voting-reversed). And you can find links with some basic information in the [corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/serial-voting/info).)" CreationDate="2022-06-27T14:50:39.977" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27435" PostId="5378" Score="3" Text="You can check an older post on this meta: [What does &quot;serial upvoting reversed&quot; mean?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/300) (Although I am not sure whether this one can be considered an exact duplicate - since this question seems to be mostly about the question: &quot;Did I do something wrong?&quot; Most probably, the answer is no, nothing.)" CreationDate="2022-06-27T14:52:23.997" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27436" PostId="5378" Score="3" Text="I have not looked into this properly, but it's possible that this will happen more often than usual for a little while, in relation to [this announcement](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/379788/upcoming-cleanup-of-duplicated-votes?cb=1)?" CreationDate="2022-06-27T14:58:08.987" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27441" PostId="5378" Score="0" Text="If you did something wrong, you'd have gotten a personal notice saying so, so nothing to worry about." CreationDate="2022-06-28T02:24:49.617" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27446" PostId="5378" Score="0" Text="It seems I lost 70 in reputation from this correction.  Probably from errors going back to the beginning of MO." CreationDate="2022-06-28T14:05:13.330" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27437" PostId="5380" Score="0" Text="So in the end, the change was made on Monday [rather than Tuesday](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/27393). :-)" CreationDate="2022-06-27T15:03:11.997" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27438" PostId="5380" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak This is MathOverflow after all. We run a tight ship :)" CreationDate="2022-06-27T15:04:14.637" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27439" PostId="5380" Score="0" Text="On a more serious note, if somebody has some observations, comments, objections, bug reports, etc. (concerning the new close reasons), I guess the right place to discuss them is the linked post - or a completely new question if needed. Is that correct? (I have created a [chatroom related to this](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/136824/changing-custom-close-reasons) - but so far it didn't attract any attention.)" CreationDate="2022-06-27T15:07:08.060" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27440" PostId="5380" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak That makes sense. Thanks for mentioning the chatroom. I'm sure there will be a learning curve for everybody." CreationDate="2022-06-27T15:08:02.303" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27443" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="I thought it is impossible to upvote a post twice. Most likely, somebody liked one post, looked for other posts by the same person, liked these as well and upvoted quickly (say, more than 5 different posts). The software decided that this was a serial upvote and cancelled all these upvotes." CreationDate="2022-06-28T03:27:00.733" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="27444" PostId="5381" Score="1" Text="@MoisheKohan Please do read the post linked from the answer. It was indeed possible to vote twice under some circumstances due to a bug." CreationDate="2022-06-28T05:06:28.297" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27445" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: I see, so it was a bug present in the system from the onset." CreationDate="2022-06-28T07:47:26.343" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="27451" PostId="5384" Score="8" Text="MathOverflow is not an axiomatic system." CreationDate="2022-07-05T06:52:04.367" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27504" PostId="5384" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson, perhaps MO is an *inconsistent* axiomatic system?" CreationDate="2022-07-13T18:02:48.983" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27508" PostId="5384" Score="3" Text="I agree with Gerry Myerson. There's no way to lay down the law in advance to cover every conceivable situation. And even if one tried, not enough people would see The Law for it to have a credible claim to represent the community consensus. This is inherently a case-by-case type of question. We have general CW guidelines; just try to follow them, and if a specific case seems off, then cross that bridge when you get to it." CreationDate="2022-07-14T13:42:40.573" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="27586" PostId="5384" Score="1" Text="What does CW mean?" CreationDate="2022-08-11T00:59:27.233" UserId="378658" />
  <row Id="27628" PostId="5384" Score="1" Text="The &quot;precisely&quot; in this question makes it not worth answering -- since MO policies are not and should not be algorithms, there is no precise answer. I recommend deleting that word." CreationDate="2022-09-01T01:29:16.803" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27781" PostId="5385" Score="0" Text="I’d restrict the first three items to topics for MathOverflow rather than MathStackExchange. For historical questions, I find that often coincides with topics that require graduate mathematical education, and topics from after the mid-1800s." CreationDate="2022-09-25T06:28:38.043" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27460" PostId="5386" Score="1" Text="Nothing in this criterion is history-specific, though. It seems just the regular criteria for CW." CreationDate="2022-07-07T13:51:35.307" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27462" PostId="5386" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni If only it were so simple. But the conflicting decisions I linked to in my question suggest some disagreement in the community. Several that &quot;should be CW&quot; according to this answer are not, and some that &quot;should be non-CW&quot; are made CW by moderators. I find it strange." CreationDate="2022-07-07T18:19:24.163" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="27505" PostId="5386" Score="1" Text="Although hopefully &quot;the list of members of the 1962 Fields committee&quot; would be closed; to the doubtful extent that that is appropriate for SO at all, it surely belongs on [HSMSE](https://hsm.stackexchange.com)." CreationDate="2022-07-13T18:05:00.260" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27780" PostId="5386" Score="0" Text="I would remove verifiability — see Jim Humphrey’s comment (https://mathoverflow.net/questions/54513/the-story-about-milnor-proving-the-f%c3%a1ry-milnor-theorem#comment136490_54514): Anecdotes about mathematicians are fun but often impossible to check decades later, unlike proofs." CreationDate="2022-09-25T06:24:29.653" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27452" PostId="5388" Score="1" Text="Why the Riemann hypothesis and not the free group factor problem? Also, it is consistent for people to believe that the RH is important while believing that the question you posted on MO is not going to help. (I did not vote to close your question, and I did not downvote it)" CreationDate="2022-07-05T12:50:52.183" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27453" PostId="5388" Score="3" Text="&quot;Because we, mathematicians, need just an attic night to rescue our civilizations.&quot; I love this. I don't have the foggiest idea what it means, but I love it." CreationDate="2022-07-05T13:28:01.010" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27455" PostId="5388" Score="0" Text="I've upvoted both responses, yours professor @YemonChoi and the response of the other professor. I once time was a student, and we think in this way, that a professor as you or the professor in previous comment aren't a stamp collectors of hundred of equivalent forms of a core problem in mathematics, and isn't my view. Because aren't my equivalent forms, aren't my words 'we must to know', isn't my profession, I'm just an amateur mathematician. You can to ask to your colleagues (professors that you know) about the importance of Riemann hypothesis in modern mathematics. Many thanks for boths." CreationDate="2022-07-05T13:44:30.130" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27457" PostId="5388" Score="0" Text="Wikipedia has the article *Aulus Gellius* that refers his work *Attic Nights*. Many thanks for your attention in my posts @GerryMyerson . And yes, we can to rescue our civilization and culture as mathematicians, because even in the worse conditions only are required a few men and women to burn a fire with flames of hope (this fire as metaphor of critical thinking and constructive feedback in mathematics or physics)." CreationDate="2022-07-05T17:37:09.837" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27502" PostId="5388" Score="0" Text="Please I add also as reference, if I interpret well the words of authors, the last paragraph in page 58 and the (first) paragraph in page 59, both of Chapter 17 from their book Barry Mazur and William Stein, *Prime Numbers and the Riemann Hypothesis*, Cambridge University Press (2016). For instance you can to read (in page 59) that the authors (if I refer well) coined a denomination for this &quot;conjecture&quot; (I mean the Riemann hypothesis)." CreationDate="2022-07-13T13:16:49.980" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27610" PostId="5388" Score="0" Text="Please if some user can to help upvoting this post that he/she does it. I appreciate it, many thanks." CreationDate="2022-08-20T16:19:27.767" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27470" PostId="5390" Score="3" Text="I would like an answer on the public record about the two _Annals_ papers that Kevin Buzzard likes to point out are directly contradictory (without saying who got it wrong): which one is correct, and why is the wrong one wrong? How do you feel this sits in relation to your question?" CreationDate="2022-07-09T06:53:08.180" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27471" PostId="5390" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts: Alternatively, both papers could be wrong while contradicting each other." CreationDate="2022-07-09T06:54:53.027" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="27472" PostId="5390" Score="1" Text="One paper claims A, the other claims not A, both in a generic mathematical setting (no foundational questions, everything in ZFC, i think); I don't think that in the exact context the statement A is independent of ZFC. But in principle that could be true in some other circumstance" CreationDate="2022-07-09T06:59:31.587" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27473" PostId="5390" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts: Certainly if their claims are the opposite of each other, that is one thing.  But it's the nature of the argument, getting to the claim, that might lead to the greater contradiction." CreationDate="2022-07-09T07:12:21.257" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="27478" PostId="5390" Score="8" Text="When &quot;plusoneing/minusoneing&quot; questions, one can read &quot;this question shows research effort / does not show any research effort&quot;. I think this is what applies here. A question such as &quot;Is Wiles' proof of Fermat valid?&quot; shows no research effort, and this also applies to &quot;is this paper correct?&quot; without further context." CreationDate="2022-07-10T14:08:32.867" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27995" PostId="5390" Score="0" Text="&quot;I have a proof, and a counterexample, so one must be right&quot;,  A. Fox, personal communication" CreationDate="2022-11-15T09:27:16.377" UserId="5734" />
  <row Id="27477" PostId="5391" Score="3" Text="I've never understood the problem with these verification posts to be bad faith—I think plenty of Riemann-hypothesis provers really think that they've got a proof; rather (I've understood) it's that MO simply isn't meant for checking correctness, of cranks' arguments, or professional mathematicians' arguments, or of anyone's arguments.  I agree that documenting &quot;folklore&quot; errors is a different, and very important, function." CreationDate="2022-07-10T13:13:53.693" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27480" PostId="5391" Score="1" Text="@LSpice:  I think there's some easy ways to come to the conclusion these types of questions are in bad faith.  Checking correctness of an argument is arguably the easiest task a mathematician can perform.  Sure,  a paper can be poorly written or a reader can be unprepared for reading a paper.  But assuming the reader is ready and the paper is fairly well written, you should be able to check on your own.   If you can't, then  you could ask specific questions and not just &quot;is this paper correct?&quot;" CreationDate="2022-07-10T18:21:09.170" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="27497" PostId="5391" Score="0" Text="@LSpice Certainly some instances of this involve bad faith, for example when the question-asker refuses to admit they wrote the paper they are inquiring about the correctneses of. But I agree that the fundamental issue is that MO is not set up for this (and bad faith may be employed in an attempt to get around this)." CreationDate="2022-07-12T14:24:26.190" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="27498" PostId="5391" Score="2" Text="Perhaps &quot;bad faith&quot; was the wrong phrase to use. I guess what I really meant was more along the lines of what YCor said in a comment above: often questions about correctness are bad because it is clear that the asker spent no time thinking about the question." CreationDate="2022-07-12T18:11:09.743" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="27533" PostId="5391" Score="0" Text="@RyanBudney (1/2) I might be late to the discussion but I want to counter one point that you do that I do not consider true and that may be conditioning your position towards the kind of questions discussed here. Checking correctness of an argument is NOT arguably always the easiest task a mathematician can perform. We avoid making these kind of general statements so flippantly. Checking correctness of an argument can be, depending on the particular argument and the expertise/specialisation of the particular mathematician, a harder task than other research tasks." CreationDate="2022-07-22T15:02:19.207" UserId="158098" />
  <row Id="27534" PostId="5391" Score="0" Text="(2/2) And it is also an important task to perform by the collective and by every individual mathematician. Producing papers and proofs of topics around your area of research can be easier than understanding a proof or checking an argument of another area far from yours, and both tasks are important! To set a(n in)famous example: would you say that Scholze and Stix study of Mochizuki's claimed proof was easier for them than producing papers on their particular areas of study (and note that however they were the closest to Mochizuki's work out of Mochizuki's influence)? I do not think so." CreationDate="2022-07-22T15:05:56.900" UserId="158098" />
  <row Id="27535" PostId="5391" Score="0" Text="Final remarks (1/2): the kind of questions discussed here, when done in provable good faith and real interest, should be accepted in the site because these questions are an essential and core part of what mathematicians do (or should do): checking, improving and expanding arguments from other mathematicians to discover new truths. I would eliminate out of the site questions asking for correctness of arguments made by untrustworthy sources like some fringe mathematicians appearing only in Vixra or GM." CreationDate="2022-07-22T15:11:28.807" UserId="158098" />
  <row Id="27536" PostId="5391" Score="0" Text="Final remarks (2/2): However, I would definitely push for accepting questions about correctness of papers or preprints written by mathematicians with at lest one peer-reviewed publication like (e.g., de Branges). Keep in mind that many proofs often use folklorical conventions that may be unknown or uneasy to understand for people (experts on other areas) out of the areas where these works come from and this is a problem for the necessary openness of mathematics, which is a fundamental concept if we want our science to keep together and new bridges being set and built between different areas." CreationDate="2022-07-22T15:16:40.883" UserId="158098" />
  <row Id="27537" PostId="5391" Score="0" Text="Epilogue: These questions are therefore not just valid, but necessary in an ever expanding and highly connected branch of knowledge. We speak different dialects of the same language and even between different groups working in close areas (or even the same) there may be some differences in treatment or terminology that might set up some difficulties. MO is the perfect place to solve that problem and fill the unintentional gaps that might be out there. Always in good faith. We should not kill such a fundamental conversation because constant reviewing of arguments is what our science is about." CreationDate="2022-07-22T15:22:18.150" UserId="158098" />
  <row Id="27538" PostId="5391" Score="0" Text="@Hvjurthuk: Maybe I should have qualified my statement.  But checking correctness of a properly-written proof is much the same task as a compiler, for a computer programming language.  Certainly often proofs are often not written well-enough so that one can perform the task this easily.  If a referee is not feeling particularly generous, at that stage they can write back to the editor with complaints." CreationDate="2022-07-22T17:33:25.123" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="27467" PostId="5392" Score="3" Text="I agree. In this specific case, there is a *published* claim of incorrectness, which makes the situation a little unusual. In general, though, my impression of the consensus view is the same as Ryan Budney's." CreationDate="2022-07-08T23:18:40.243" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="27469" PostId="5392" Score="3" Text="It appears as if Paul Ehrlich is retired.  The last institutional affiliation I can find for him us U. Missouri-Columbia.   I find these &quot;What was X thinking?&quot; questions a little frustrating, as they would seemingly be better directed at X, than at MO . Perhaps it would be better to phrase it as &quot;Did Paul Ehrlich have a valid point, and if so, what is it, specifically?&quot;" CreationDate="2022-07-09T00:22:55.437" UserId="1465" />
  <row Id="27475" PostId="5392" Score="1" Text="I've updated the post using your suggestions." CreationDate="2022-07-10T02:32:06.190" UserId="90655" />
  <row Id="27484" PostId="5396" Score="3" Text="Using mod powers, I see that the macro actually is defined in the comment. But the macro command seems to be stripped out when I ask my browser to display the Latex commands. I don't know the answer to your meta question, but in order to ease your curiosity, and at risk of spilling YaakovBaruch's trade secrets, I can reveal that the macro is `\newcommand{\x}{\large\blacksquare}`" CreationDate="2022-07-11T22:37:29.967" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27485" PostId="5396" Score="1" Text="@TimCampion, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5396/is-it-possible-to-see-the-source-for-a-comment#comment27484_5396)!  But, without invoking a mod's powers or—horror of horrors!—asking the original commenter, there would have been no way to see the macro definition?" CreationDate="2022-07-11T22:40:28.770" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27486" PostId="5396" Score="1" Text="Right. I would assume the same issue arises when a macro is defined in a question or answer, but you've just never noticed it because you can always open the question / answer for editing and see the source there." CreationDate="2022-07-11T22:41:44.650" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27487" PostId="5396" Score="1" Text="@TimCampion, thanks again!  [That](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5396/is-it-possible-to-see-the-source-for-a-comment#comment27486_5396) seems like an answer; would you post it so I can accept it?  Or, if the matter is too trivial, then I can close or delete my question." CreationDate="2022-07-11T22:44:06.103" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27513" PostId="5396" Score="2" Text="I'm too tired to write a full answer, but let me just note that [there's a userscript for this](https://stackapps.com/questions/8296/get-comment-markdown-copy-comment-code-to-clipboard). (Actually, [there's more than one](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/286234/converting-a-comment-to-an-answer-again/286244#286244).)" CreationDate="2022-07-17T23:43:47.447" UserId="7742" />
  <row Id="27488" PostId="5397" Score="2" Text="$\def\pre{\text{pre}}$I thought that the macro might be in a separate math block.  Here's a test comment:  $\def\peri{\text{peri}}\peri$.  Indeed, as long as it's in the *same* math block, the definition is included.  So I assume that the problem is when the definition is in a *separate*, 'invisible' math block, as here: $\pre$." CreationDate="2022-07-12T00:59:43.643" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27489" PostId="5397" Score="1" Text="Non-mods have no ability to open the source of a comment for editing (since we can't edit it!), correct?" CreationDate="2022-07-12T01:00:57.860" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27491" PostId="5397" Score="1" Text="I apologise for accepting and unaccepting this answer, which is very informative; but I think I have to go with @DavideCervone's [answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5398), which both literally answers the question and teaches a neat trick." CreationDate="2022-07-12T01:12:18.757" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27496" PostId="5397" Score="2" Text="@LSpice [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5396/is-it-possible-to-see-the-source-for-a-comment/5397#comment27489_5397) I think that's correct." CreationDate="2022-07-12T14:04:39.807" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27500" PostId="5397" Score="2" Text="I will confirm that for me the macros *are* displayed in this way. In the first diagram I get `\quad\newcommand{\x}{\large\blacksquare}\begin{align}\x\\[-5pt]\x\\[-5pt]\x\end{align}\,\cup\,` from Show Math As $\to$ TeX Commands. (Of course, not in the subsequent formulas.) Generally, it would seem rather surprising if browser treated `\newcommand` for some reason differently from other parts MathJax. (In case it is relevant, I use Google Chrome under Windows.)" CreationDate="2022-07-13T06:38:07.307" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27503" PostId="5397" Score="2" Text="@MartinSleziak, I [agree](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5396/is-it-possible-to-see-the-source-for-a-comment#comment27500_5397).  I didn't realise that the first diagram was split into several pieces, so, when I clicked on what seemed to be the first one and didn't see the macro definition, I thought that it must be in a separate math environment at the beginning of the post." CreationDate="2022-07-13T17:51:23.277" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27499" PostId="5398" Score="1" Text="I thought I'd commented to thank you for teaching me this neat trick, but I seem not to have done—or else it got deleted for some reason.  Either way, to be on the safe side, I'll say thank you again!" CreationDate="2022-07-12T20:51:40.420" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27524" PostId="5398" Score="1" Text="For others like me whose brains are working slowly in the heat: To bring-up the contextual menu, right-click (or ctrl-click) on any piece of MathJax, then follow the submenus $\textsf{Math Settings}$ ▶ $\textsf{Math Renderer}$ ▶ $\textsf{Plain Source}$.  Try it out here: $|\mathbb{N}| = \aleph_0$." CreationDate="2022-07-20T14:45:49.380" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="27495" PostId="5399" Score="1" Text="Thank you!  I didn't know about that neat last trick.  Just to point to it, you demonstrated it in [the MO editors' lounge](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/61561166#61561166)." CreationDate="2022-07-12T08:00:47.300" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27492" PostId="5400" Score="1" Text="Composition: $\newcommand{\inv}[1]{#1^{-1}} \inv{(g\circ f)}=\inv f\circ \inv g$ and self-inverse $\inv{(\inv f)}=f$." CreationDate="2022-07-12T07:01:12.890" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27493" PostId="5400" Score="1" Text="The set $\newcommand{\NN}{\mathbb{N}}\newcommand{\ZZ}{\mathbb{Z}}\ZZ$ is countable: $|\ZZ|=|\NN|$." CreationDate="2022-07-12T07:02:10.953" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27494" PostId="5400" Score="1" Text="$\newcommand{\E}{\operatorname{\mathsf E}}$ Linearity of expectation: $\E(X+Y)=\E(X)+\E(Y)$ and $\E(\alpha X)=\alpha\E(X)$." CreationDate="2022-07-12T07:02:39.910" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27501" PostId="5400" Score="1" Text="$\DeclareMathOperator{\Hom}{Hom}\Hom(X,Y)$ **functor** $A \mapsto \Hom(A,{-})$, _italics_ and [a link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MathOverflow)" CreationDate="2022-07-13T10:09:47.440" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27506" PostId="5401" Score="7" Text="The line immediately preceding &quot;The named...&quot; has a single space in it.  Apparently, this causes this space to be rendered.  The editor may be using the newer or different Markdown renderer, for example, which is why you cannot see this space during editing." CreationDate="2022-07-13T21:46:18.197" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="27507" PostId="5401" Score="2" Text="I will just add that the character mentioned in the previous comment seems to be [Non-breaking space](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-breaking_space). In case it is useful, you might check what you get for that post [from the Posts table](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1435952/title-body-and-tags-of-the-given-post?list=363464) and [from the PostHistory table](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1616586/past-bodies-of-the-given-post?id=363464)." CreationDate="2022-07-14T11:41:53.197" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27509" PostId="5401" Score="1" Text="Thanks, @DmitriPavlov!  [That](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5401/why-is-there-unexpected-space-at-the-beginning-of-a-paragraph-in-an-answer#comment27506_5401) seems to be an answer, so, if you'd post it, then I'd be happy to accept it." CreationDate="2022-07-14T15:21:30.297" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27510" PostId="5401" Score="1" Text="Thanks, @MartinSleziak!  I'm not sure how to use the Posts table and the PostHistory table.  When I click the links you have supplied, I see one row of a table returned from a query, including the partial rendered HTML of the post, and clicking on the link takes me to the post.  How should I extract more information (e.g., the full rendered HTML)?" CreationDate="2022-07-14T15:22:40.983" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27511" PostId="5401" Score="1" Text="@LSpice You can simply ignore those queries if they are of no use for you. In any case, I left [a few short messages in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19138/2022/7/14) - feel free to ping me there if some additional explanation could help." CreationDate="2022-07-14T15:36:26.313" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27512" PostId="5401" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5401/why-is-there-unexpected-space-at-the-beginning-of-a-paragraph-in-an-answer#comment27511_5401)!  I in no way meant to imply that the queries weren't useful, only that I didn't know how to use them, but your [chat messages](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19138/2022/7/14) addressed that." CreationDate="2022-07-14T15:52:13.523" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27515" PostId="5406" Score="5" Text="+1 for raising this. I think the spam posts are enough of a problem to raise the threshold for posting on Meta back to 5 reputation points." CreationDate="2022-07-18T16:48:28.340" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27530" PostId="5410" Score="1" Text="I swore I used to be able to use standard HTML &lt;a href=&quot; &quot;&gt; to do this, but testing it a couple times I can now not get it to work..." CreationDate="2022-07-21T23:27:48.667" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="27531" PostId="5410" Score="1" Text="@SamHopkins HTML can be used in *posts* - not everything, but links in the form you specified do work: [What HTML tags are allowed on Stack Exchange sites?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/1777) (Although I recall warnings that mixing HTML and MarkDown might lead to some problems.) Personally, I don't remember a possibility of using HTML in *comments* - I found some related feature requests, for example, this one: [Why can't we have simple HTML in comments?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/12786) It is from 2009 - so at the time, HTML in comments was not supported." CreationDate="2022-07-22T05:59:43.830" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27532" PostId="5410" Score="3" Text="May I suggest at minimum a title and preferably a doi link if available. The publisher urls can rot more easily, and a title helps the reader (and any further maintenance in the future)" CreationDate="2022-07-22T13:55:23.930" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27543" PostId="5410" Score="5" Text="Very much seconding @DavidRoberts's [request](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5410/hyperlink-in-a-comment#comment27532_5410).  A huge chunk of my editing activity is hunting down posts with links to &quot;here&quot; or &quot;this paper&quot; … especially if such links go to non-Wayback'd personal pages, they are likely to rot and subsequently to be useless without some indication where they once pointed." CreationDate="2022-07-26T20:06:23.917" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27526" PostId="5411" Score="1" Text="Link to a question on meta: [Hyperlink in a comment?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5410) This looks probably slightly better than a bare URL: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5410" CreationDate="2022-07-21T17:32:44.707" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27539" PostId="5411" Score="1" Text="This version is not suitable in a comment: &lt;cite authors=&quot;Dashiell, F. K. jun.&quot;&gt;_Dashiell, F. K. jun._, [**Isomorphism problems for the Baire classes**](http://dx.doi.org/10.2140/pjm.1974.52.29), Pac. J. Math. 52, 29-43 (1974). [ZBL0291.46021](https://zbmath.org/?q=an:0291.46021).&lt;/cite&gt;" CreationDate="2022-07-23T12:38:01.820" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27540" PostId="5411" Score="1" Text="But it looks fine after a very minor modification: _Dashiell, F. K. jun._, [**Isomorphism problems for the Baire classes**](http://dx.doi.org/10.2140/pjm.1974.52.29), Pac. J. Math. 52, 29-43 (1974). [ZBL0291.46021](https://zbmath.org/?q=an:0291.46021)." CreationDate="2022-07-23T12:38:28.113" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27542" PostId="5411" Score="1" Text="Although one can observe the phenomenon in action [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5410/hyperlink-in-a-comment#comment27526_5411), it may be worth noting explicitly that, unlike in post bodies where the MO question text is automatically expanded—so that a bare MO or MMO link *becomes* a nice self-descriptive link (making the demonstration in the post a little confusing!)—in comment bodies no such expansion happens." CreationDate="2022-07-26T20:03:10.547" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27548" PostId="5412" Score="4" Text="&quot;its objects just be a bunch of lines and circles&quot;. Well, the same can be said for Pascal Exagram Theorem, that is by no means a trivial result (even if not &quot;research-level, nowadays). Ï guess the answer depends on the specific question, as usual. And what do you mean by &quot;This type of question usually can be solved just by a computer and almost have no relation to other field of Mathematics&quot;?" CreationDate="2022-07-27T09:30:31.730" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="27549" PostId="5412" Score="2" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi Not even the problem is just a bunch of lines and circles, its &quot;standard&quot; solution is too. The proof is just you proof some point colinear or concylic, some angle or some ratio of line segments length are equal,... &quot;Solve by a computer&quot; mean https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/31192/is-it-possible-to-solve-any-euclidean-geometry-problem-using-a-computer. And if you say the problem is too complicative to solve by algorithm, how do you feel if someone put some random Diophantine equation on MO?" CreationDate="2022-07-27T10:13:39.830" UserId="432274" />
  <row Id="27550" PostId="5412" Score="4" Text="Polynomial identities may be checked on a computer but finding polynomial identities which are interesting can be a research mathematical problem, and sometimes the right polynomial identity is the key to solving a deep research problem. I think the situation with plane geometry is the same. In any case MO should err on the side of inclusion." CreationDate="2022-07-27T21:20:57.297" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="27551" PostId="5412" Score="1" Text="@WillSawin So you mean putting (spamming) Olympiad, exercise, logic puzzle, random conjecture,... on MO is ok because who know, some identity, trick or theory magically come out and that the key to solve deep research problem?!" CreationDate="2022-07-28T00:03:05.653" UserId="432274" />
  <row Id="27552" PostId="5412" Score="3" Text="There are several conditions that determine whether a question is OK on MO. Saying &quot;all questions in X field are OK&quot; and &quot;all questions in X field are not OK&quot; are both wrong. In this case the question was not asking to prove the statement (which would be dubious when there is a well-known algorithm to solve all such problems) but for historical context (which the answer has now provided)." CreationDate="2022-07-28T00:11:44.570" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="27553" PostId="5412" Score="2" Text="For each finite group $G$, the claim that $G$ is a finite simple group can be checked by computer. If MO existed during the era before classification of finite simple groups and someone posted a question &quot;I found this finite simple group, is it already known?&quot; that would be a very good question. But that doesn't mean that undergraduate exercises in group theory are acceptable. Of course this question doesn't have as much relevance to broader mathematical research as the finite simple group one. But it has enough to be over the line." CreationDate="2022-07-28T00:13:18.193" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="27554" PostId="5412" Score="1" Text="@WillSawin it seem means that we can put anything related to math if we question the right way?! with a good &quot;question skill&quot;, i guess anyone can put their answer enough to be over your line. Question skill is important but the core is far more important. May I misread you but your answer be like &quot;that question is ok just because it not seeking for solution&quot;." CreationDate="2022-07-28T01:06:26.123" UserId="432274" />
  <row Id="27555" PostId="5412" Score="3" Text="Surely there are some questions no formulation of which would be acceptable on MO. And if someone were to ask a lot of similar questions, I think the threshold could get higher. But I don't see what the benefit would be to pushing the well-written plane geometry questions, which don't come in enormous numbers, off the site, compared to the cost of making the site less welcoming for newcomers." CreationDate="2022-07-28T01:20:25.713" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="27556" PostId="5412" Score="3" Text="One way to think of this is that the primary goal of getting rid of bad questions is to make the site pleasant for question-answerers, to keep as many experts around answering questions as possible for the questions that are important in someone's research. Thus questions that are fun, or, more precisely, likely to be considered fun by someone who also enjoys answering questions relevant to active research, will generally not be deleted. They don't cause the same problems that dull questions do! The skill of making your question fun will protect it, but this is a feature, not a bug." CreationDate="2022-07-28T01:23:36.493" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="27557" PostId="5412" Score="2" Text="I really don't think pushing planar geometry question have any significant cost. But yeah, keeping those question don't have any significant harmful too. Keep MO being fun and beauty may be good as you say." CreationDate="2022-07-28T01:31:48.600" UserId="432274" />
  <row Id="27558" PostId="5412" Score="2" Text="Possibly the simplest answer to what is appropriate on MO is &quot;what the community welcomes.&quot;  This can change over time, is never universal (in the sense that some users, again changing over time, will always disagree with the community), and, as @WillSawin points out, it can rarely be boiled down to axioms about what broad *types* of questions are or are not acceptable.  But, in the end, if a question has more upvotes than downvotes, then that means that the community has received it overall positively, and that is probably the only real way to judge its appropriateness." CreationDate="2022-07-30T21:03:16.883" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27629" PostId="5412" Score="1" Text="It may be more helpful to break this down by user than by tag -- and when a user's ratio of questions to answers is this high (85 to 7), I'd like to see them apply more quality control to their questions." CreationDate="2022-09-01T01:38:49.037" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27547" PostId="5413" Score="7" Text="Maybe it is worth mentioning that this wasn't implemented by Stack Exchange - it is a script maintained by MathOverflow moderators. (The [agreement between MO and SE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4429) explicitly allows the mods of MO add some JavaScript code specifically for this site.)" CreationDate="2022-07-27T07:45:14.647" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27560" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="One option (this would need testing) might be to use the `@`-mention and just have the part of the username before the whitespace. For instance, I have always operated under the impression that `@firstname` would work when the username is `firstname lastname`. But then this raises the thorny issue of the other user, `firstname othername`." CreationDate="2022-08-03T08:09:40.403" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27561" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="In a comment, if I type @ and the first letter, then the system shows me a list of all users eligible for @-mention starting with that letter.  I can click on the one I want.  What happens in this case?" CreationDate="2022-08-03T10:29:21.707" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27562" PostId="5416" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5416/is-there-a-way-to-exactly-one-of-two-users-whose-names-differ-if-at-all-on#comment27561_5416), I don't know.  Unfortunately I can't test it in the post in question, since neither user pops up in the `@` autocomplete." CreationDate="2022-08-03T13:26:02.910" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27563" PostId="5416" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts, I had always thought that, in [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5416/is-there-a-way-to-exactly-one-of-two-users-whose-names-differ-if-at-all-on#comment27560_5416) situation, the system simply dumbly notifies the alphabetically first user (which I guess would mean the one with the space?).  But that is not based on much evidence." CreationDate="2022-08-03T13:26:47.220" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27564" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="@LSpice The query which was mentioned [in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/61717228#61717228) returns several posts where various users with the same username posted a comment. If you want to test this, maybe Gerhard Paseman or Gerry Myerson would be willing to help you. (Or maybe somebody would be willing to temporarily change a username - but one should keep in mind that username can only be changed [once in 30 days](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/display-names+rate-limiting) - IIRC the limit can be overridden by moderators.)" CreationDate="2022-08-03T15:41:34.983" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27565" PostId="5416" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, thanks!  I guess, with Gerhard's and Gerry's consent and participation (or of course @‍GeraldEdgar's, who is already here!), I could test &quot;@‍Ger&quot; in an appropriate thread and see who receives it, but I am reluctant to play around in &quot;live&quot; areas with people who haven't agreed to test this out, especially since it's non-urgent." CreationDate="2022-08-03T18:28:34.523" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27566" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="@GeraldEdgar, on further thought about [your question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5416/is-there-a-way-to-exactly-one-of-two-users-whose-names-differ-if-at-all-on#comment27561_5416), if the usernames are distinct after stripping whitespace, then the system will auto-complete to the full-length name, and there will be no ambiguity; but I guess you meant what happens in a thread with two or more users who have the same name modulo whitespace." CreationDate="2022-08-03T18:30:19.487" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27567" PostId="5416" Score="3" Text="Related on Meta SE: (1) [How do comment @replies work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/43019), (2) [In the case of users with the exact same name, how do comment replies work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/329806), (3) [Let me reply to one user among two having same names in comments](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/125994), (4) [How do I ping the right bob?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/274364)." CreationDate="2022-08-04T04:41:57.970" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27568" PostId="5416" Score="2" Text="I have asked this question on [meta.se]: [Is there some difference between typing a username and using the auto-complete?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/380968) Some similar screenshots (and other comments) are posted [in the MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/comment-replies-two-users-with-the-same-username)." CreationDate="2022-08-04T04:47:40.310" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27569" PostId="5416" Score="2" Text="The comment in Meta SE: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/380968/  has a comment that asserts the **most recently posting** match is the one notified." CreationDate="2022-08-04T15:16:58.327" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27572" PostId="5416" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Would you mind pinging the editor [on this question](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4048133/question-about-the-exponential-generating-function-for-t-n-t-n-1n-1-cdot-t), for testing purposes? A `Testing for MO question @JonDoe` would suffice. You can delete the comment after I cross-check who was notified." CreationDate="2022-08-05T15:07:31.160" UserId="137750" />
  <row Id="27574" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="@Justin, I have done [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5416/is-there-a-way-to-exactly-one-of-two-users-whose-names-differ-if-at-all-on#comment27572_5416).  However, I think it might not be that useful, since a ping can _never_ be addressed to the asker of the question (who is always notified)—but the asker will always get a notification of comments on their question _anyway_." CreationDate="2022-08-05T15:25:13.463" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27575" PostId="5416" Score="0" Text="@LSpice: Thank you. The test was to see if the *editor* was pinged or not. And yes, I can confirm that the editor was pinged (along with the author of the question)." CreationDate="2022-08-05T15:32:24.340" UserId="137750" />
  <row Id="27576" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="@Justin, [OK](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5416/is-there-a-way-to-exactly-one-of-two-users-whose-names-differ-if-at-all-on#comment27575_5416).  I will delete the comment." CreationDate="2022-08-05T15:32:53.177" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27579" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: I was pinged on both accounts. Thank you for the (test) comment." CreationDate="2022-08-05T17:08:47.790" UserId="137750" />
  <row Id="27581" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="Somebody rang??" CreationDate="2022-08-05T22:21:52.073" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27582" PostId="5416" Score="0" Text="Pinging @Ger (it seems that GerryMyerson will be the user pinged)." CreationDate="2022-08-05T23:00:35.787" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27583" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="@LSp, yes, indeed." CreationDate="2022-08-06T02:51:19.433" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27577" PostId="5420" Score="1" Text="As to my specific case, I know that the asker will always be notified; the only significance of the circumstances was that they made me think about this issue—they didn't realise it. \\ It is perhaps not a big deal accidentally to notify an extra user—hopefully at best a minor inconvenience—but it surely can be a big deal not to be *able* to notify a user.  So it seems that any user can be prevented from receiving notifications on a thread by another user who is willing to change their name and post later?" CreationDate="2022-08-05T16:50:19.043" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27578" PostId="5420" Score="1" Text="*So it seems that any user can be prevented from ... user who is willing to change their name and post later?* — Funny, but yeah, this *can* be done. However, this can be avoided by following the question / answer." CreationDate="2022-08-05T16:59:40.800" UserId="137750" />
  <row Id="27627" PostId="5423" Score="1" Text="A good big-list question should prompt many and diverse answers, and I don't think this question does that." CreationDate="2022-09-01T01:25:41.410" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27601" PostId="5425" Score="1" Text="Your screenshot shows that the answer was deleted by a moderator. That means it cannot be undeleted by regular users: [Which actions by moderators cannot be reversed by community?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/27189) (OTOH maybe one of the moderators might respond here.)" CreationDate="2022-08-18T12:31:52.150" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27602" PostId="5425" Score="0" Text="Fingers crossed I guess. @MartinSleziak" CreationDate="2022-08-18T13:33:51.523" UserId="159957" />
  <row Id="27603" PostId="5425" Score="7" Text="You didn’t just get a lot of downvotes, you also got a lot of feedback in the comments that  you turn a deaf ear to. Basically, there was no “mistake” in what you wrote, but it **did not answer the question**. The question is not what Needham means by *ultimate equality*; that much is clear, and already stated in the question. The question is what Needham means by *ultimately vanishing*, which you did not answer. (As pointed out in comments under the question, it does not make much sense to interpret it as “ultimately equal to $0$”.)" CreationDate="2022-08-18T14:00:48.067" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27606" PostId="5425" Score="2" Text="I think the issue many, including me, had was that your post explained &quot;ultimately equal&quot;, which the questioner said they understood—not &quot;ultimately vanishing&quot;, which was the subject of the question.  Now that you have added the addendum, one can point out that the questioner considers and rejects &quot;ultimately equal to $0$&quot; because, in the quotient-based definition, either every quantity is ultimately equal to $0$, or the quotient is ill formed (depending on which quantity goes in the denominator).  See the post body and [@GeraldEdgar's comment](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comment/1102369)." CreationDate="2022-08-18T16:48:05.583" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27608" PostId="5425" Score="2" Text="I [misspoke](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/27606) twice.  My link to @GeraldEdgar's comment had a typo; it should have been https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1102369. I should also have said that either *nothing* (not everything) was ultimately equal to $0$ (according to the definition $\lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \frac0{B(\epsilon)} = 1$) or that the question was meaningless (according to the definition $\lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \frac{A(\epsilon)}0 = 1$)." CreationDate="2022-08-18T20:10:43.280" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27616" PostId="5427" Score="7" Text="Do I have right that since the last election, two moderators have stepped down, Francois Dorais and David Zureick-Brown?" CreationDate="2022-08-27T20:12:27.193" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="27617" PostId="5427" Score="5" Text="@Noah: Yeah, that's correct." CreationDate="2022-08-28T05:06:41.110" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27662" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="I don't know from which election to this date but I also remember other two persons that were moderators of Mathematics Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2022-09-14T15:00:06.363" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27665" PostId="5427" Score="1" Text="@NoahSnyder On January 27, François G. Dorais [edited his name from the post about history](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/754/18). Looking at the Wayback Machine, I see [both of them in May 2021](https://web.archive.org/web/20210522035110/https://mathoverflow.net/users?tab=moderators) - and neither of them in [July 2022](https://web.archive.org/web/20220731011049/https://mathoverflow.net/users?tab=moderators)." CreationDate="2022-09-15T13:19:16.197" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27666" PostId="5427" Score="1" Text="@Martin: David Zureick-Brown stepped down on 23 June, 2021; Scott Morrison stepped down on 22 July, 2021; François G. Dorais on 27 January 2022." CreationDate="2022-09-15T13:23:05.687" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27667" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="@NoahSnyder: See the above comment. It is proof that time is not linear for me and that I cannot count more than &quot;this&quot; many." CreationDate="2022-09-15T13:23:27.357" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27687" PostId="5427" Score="5" Text="Maybe we should have a post with suggestions for nominees, like this one last year: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4926/2021-moderator-election-suggestions-for-nominees?rq=1" CreationDate="2022-09-19T20:27:20.240" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="27699" PostId="5427" Score="5" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi There is now the following post: [Nominating other community members](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5457)." CreationDate="2022-09-20T19:09:32.040" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27620" PostId="5430" Score="1" Text="I think that the tags ([meta-tag:comments]) and ([meta-tag:searching]) are suitable here - so I added those two tags. I included ([meta-tag:support]), too - but feel free to remove that one if you think that it does not fit. For example, if you think that the question should be understood as a request for a new functionality (in the other words, if you're not satisfied with the existing possibilities)." CreationDate="2022-08-28T14:53:20.120" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27621" PostId="5431" Score="1" Text="Very many thanks, Martin!" CreationDate="2022-08-28T18:49:35.983" UserId="1532" />
  <row Id="27622" PostId="5432" Score="1" Text="If this question on Meta isn't suitable (if the question that I want to ask on MathOverflow about gravitational geons isn't interesting) please add a comment that I can to delete it in next few hours." CreationDate="2022-08-30T16:44:51.130" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27624" PostId="5432" Score="1" Text="If I refer well  John Archibald Wheeler studied geons, as refer the linked Wikipedia article. I add that Wikipedia has an article dedicated to this theoretical physicist. He was the professor and colleague of Feynman. This week I'm reading the (Spanish edition of) book *The Quantum Labyrinth: How Richard Feynman and John Wheeler Revolutionized Time and Reality* by  Paul Halpern (Basic Books, 2017). I'm in Chapter 2, and I know that there is scientific dissemination of idea of geons in this book because these are mentioned in several pages from the Index." CreationDate="2022-08-31T17:11:22.733" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27626" PostId="5432" Score="2" Text="If &quot;the equations of a gravitational geon&quot; have already been written down, then it would be fair to reproduce them and ask about them on MathOverflow. If no such equations have been written down, then asking for a characterization of the physical concept is more a physics question than a math question, and would be off-topic on MathOverflow." CreationDate="2022-09-01T01:20:19.817" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27630" PostId="5432" Score="3" Text="Asking a question about the mathematical aspects of geon solutions should be on-topic, as long as it falls under the general &quot;research level&quot; umbrella." CreationDate="2022-09-01T03:02:58.750" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27631" PostId="5432" Score="0" Text="Many thanks @MattF. I'm not a professional mathematician, and I don't know if such equations characterizing a gravitational geon are in the literature (I'm interested in this but it is difficult to find papers about it), I don't know if the equations (whose  solutions are a gravitational geon) can be written/specificied in mathematical terms (for example Navier-Stokes equations, Wikipedia: &quot;... that describe the motion of viscous fluid&quot;, and the characterize the certain solutions and their propierties can be difficult but mathematicians have at least these equations for fluids). +1 ." CreationDate="2022-09-01T10:50:00.760" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27632" PostId="5432" Score="0" Text="Many thanks for your attention @DavidRoberts I've added previously a comment in this thread of comments. Many thanks for your remarks, my intention is edit the post on MathOverflow according the advices of professors here, when it is possible about gravitational geons. +1 for your feedback." CreationDate="2022-09-01T10:53:19.510" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27646" PostId="5432" Score="0" Text="Many thanks to the professor or user who upvoted this post." CreationDate="2022-09-08T12:10:21.367" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27633" PostId="5434" Score="0" Text="Thank you. I found another place where I forgot a bracket." CreationDate="2022-09-03T21:19:32.187" UserId="352898" />
  <row Id="27635" PostId="5435" Score="0" Text="For context, I think you're talking about [this answer](https://mathoverflow.net/a/429760/2362)?" CreationDate="2022-09-04T18:43:42.460" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27636" PostId="5435" Score="4" Text="I'm actually having difficulty finding any kind of meta post or anything where we explicitly say that link-only answers are not allowed. There is some discussion of this [on Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225370/your-answer-is-in-another-castle-when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer) (though I'm sure the discussion at that link doesn't exhaust the issue). I think I agree that the stability of the link is relevant to how acceptable a link-only answer might be, but probably it's not the _only_ relevant factor." CreationDate="2022-09-04T18:46:51.410" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27638" PostId="5435" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion: Yes, that is the answer that I had in mind; in the meantime it got heavily edited. Indeed, there is no discussion where link-only answers are explicitly forbidden, but when one votes to delete an answer in the review queue one of the &quot;canned&quot; reasons offered by the software is that it is a link-only answer, and links may become invalid over time. This is not a MO-specific &quot;canned comment&quot;, it is SE-wide. And I was thinking about triggering a discussion and maybe explicitly delimit what is an acceptable link-only answer from what is not." CreationDate="2022-09-04T20:57:13.810" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27643" PostId="5435" Score="1" Text="Can you define *allow*, or replace it with something different? I'm fine with suggesting that link-only answers should not get *deleted*, but in my view it's entirely fair if they get downvoted, edited, or if they attract comments pointing out that they are link-only and suggesting improvements." CreationDate="2022-09-08T06:45:15.773" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27644" PostId="5435" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni: Currently, link-only answers are supposed to get deleted, because URLs often become invalid over time. I was hoping to change this regarding a small set of well curated URLs, i.e. the answers containing them should no longer get deleted, as an official policy, but it is clear that this will not happen. Currently, the question has 79 views but only 3 votes and the answer has gathered only 6 votes. And almost no discussion in the comments. It is clear that it did not raise the interest of the community." CreationDate="2022-09-08T07:16:44.483" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27645" PostId="5435" Score="0" Text="@AlexM. Are you sure there is an official policy to this effect? Could you add a link? And please edit your question to define &quot;allow&quot; there, not in a comment." CreationDate="2022-09-08T07:26:25.113" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27654" PostId="5435" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni I have posted [in MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/about-link-only-answers) what I was able to find. Basically some posts on [meta.se], a brief mention in the help-center. (And there was a rather brief discussion on tea.) Of course, it's not clear whether or not it should be called &quot;an official policy&quot;. (Is it actually something that could be considered, in practice, an official policy here on MO? This site is a bit different from other sites in the network.)" CreationDate="2022-09-11T04:15:52.540" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27655" PostId="5435" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks Martin. Just to remove a layer of indirection from your &quot;link-only comment&quot;, I am copying the pointers here: https://mathoverflow.net/help/how-to-answer , https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8231/are-answers-that-just-contain-links-elsewhere-really-good-answers , https://msleziak.com/mathoverflow/tea/discussion/1426/mo-policy-toward-linksasanswers/index.html , https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225370/your-answer-is-in-another-castle-when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer ." CreationDate="2022-09-11T06:40:54.713" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27634" PostId="5436" Score="0" Text="I cannot vote on my own answer, but please add a +1 vote from me." CreationDate="2022-09-04T15:14:49.497" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27647" PostId="5437" Score="11" Text="You could post another question, linking to the older one, carefully explaining why you're posting the new one." CreationDate="2022-09-08T23:12:52.983" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27649" PostId="5437" Score="2" Text="Thank you, @GerryMyerson, for your suggestion!" CreationDate="2022-09-09T09:45:29.267" UserId="115803" />
  <row Id="27657" PostId="5439" Score="0" Text="Indeed.  Others can edit the question to add some details from the linked site." CreationDate="2022-09-11T13:15:41.837" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27658" PostId="5439" Score="4" Text="The very least, proper bibliographic data should be added, if it's a link to the arXiv, HAL, etc, or to a published paper: at absolute minimum authors and title, enough so that the paper can be identified without the link." CreationDate="2022-09-12T06:00:59.103" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27659" PostId="5442" Score="10" Text="PS: I recently retired as a MathOverflow moderator after about 12 years of service. Fixing and keeping the tagging system was one of the issues I took on early on. I did my best but I admittedly couldn't keep up in the last few years. I hope that someone with fresh inspiration could take on this job." CreationDate="2022-09-14T00:24:35.020" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="27663" PostId="5443" Score="9" Text="What do you mean by review?" CreationDate="2022-09-15T00:29:11.167" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="27664" PostId="5443" Score="1" Text="Many thanks for your attention @AndrésE.Caicedo , when I search in Google translator the Spanish word &quot;crítica&quot;, is provided the English translation &quot;criticism&quot;, and below more added information about the translation of &quot;crítica&quot;, this was &quot;&quot;review&quot; in order of appearance. I understand an opinion based in reasonings, positive or negative about the moderation policy of MathOverflow, if it is possible constructive. **For example** in the MO post of Meta **5427** a professor asked in a polite tone about two MO moderators that have stepped down, and the moderator provided a &quot;Yeah...&quot; as response." CreationDate="2022-09-15T12:59:16.913" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="27777" PostId="5443" Score="2" Text="The MMO post 5427, [Upcoming election announcement (2022)](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5427), referenced [above](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5440/2022-moderator-election-qa-question-collection/5455#comment27664_5443); the [question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5427/upcoming-election-announcement-2022#comment27616_5427) about moderators stepping down; and the answer &quot;[Yeah, that's correct](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5427/upcoming-election-announcement-2022#comment27617_5427)&quot; (the problem with which is not clear to me, but there it is)." CreationDate="2022-09-24T21:55:20.083" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27816" PostId="5443" Score="2" Text="I have flagged a bunch of comments which seem more about this user's insistence that people on this site should behave a certain way, than about anything relevant to this current moderator election." CreationDate="2022-10-03T01:39:34.833" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27668" PostId="5446" Score="8" Text="I think it sounds like fun." CreationDate="2022-09-16T09:38:19.983" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="27669" PostId="5446" Score="5" Text="One major logistical issue you didn’t mention is funding.  I think the general expectation for a conference is that at the very least the travel costs for speakers are covered, and typically there is also support available for junior participants without their own grants.  You will also need to pay for the venue and things like coffee breaks (though if a university is hosting it then you can often get them to at least offer space for free).  So you’ll need a co-organizer to write a grant for this (there are complicated rules about who can be awarded grants)." CreationDate="2022-09-16T13:50:11.810" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="27670" PostId="5446" Score="2" Text="Just to be clear, I say this not to dissuade you — this could be a fun and productive conference — but just to warn you that organizing a conference involves a lot more than just picking a venue and sending out invitations.  My guess is that some of the downvotes stemmed from a perception that you seemed a bit naive about what goes into this kind of thing.  By the way, I was not one of the downvoters." CreationDate="2022-09-16T13:52:57.997" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="27671" PostId="5446" Score="9" Text="@AndyPutman My intention was to fund the event myself. My family has a 60+ acre horse ranch about 30 minutes outside San Francisco that I used for the 2019 party, and I'm confident that we can outfit the property for a conference of anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand people (multiple arenas that can be retrofitted with chairs and stages, etc.). All the trimmings and fixings were also going to be coming out of my pocket -- I was expecting to cover travel and lodging for any invited speakers, and am open to the idea of additional support being made available." CreationDate="2022-09-16T14:52:23.903" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="27672" PostId="5446" Score="4" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins Excellent, you're one of the community members I was most looking forward to inviting to speak!" CreationDate="2022-09-16T14:54:39.237" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="27673" PostId="5446" Score="4" Text="Wow, sounds great!" CreationDate="2022-09-16T15:59:50.563" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="27674" PostId="5446" Score="4" Text="@AlecRhea: Good, it sounds like have thought about a lot of the issues.  The only piece of advice I'd give is to try to recruit a scientific committee from among academic mathematicians who are active on MO.  This will not only give you credibility, but also help with lots of logistical things that might come up (e.g., how to phrase invitations, how to navigate the politics of who to invite and who is likely to come, etc.)." CreationDate="2022-09-16T19:25:56.253" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="27675" PostId="5446" Score="5" Text="The annual JMM (joint mathematics meetings) often contains within it meetings of various smaller organizations." CreationDate="2022-09-17T01:01:45.073" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27676" PostId="5446" Score="0" Text="@AndyPutman Thank you, this is exactly the kind of advice I was looking for. I'll begin compiling a list of candidates for a scientific committee and send out emails within the next few days!" CreationDate="2022-09-17T05:14:06.380" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="27681" PostId="5446" Score="6" Text="@Alec Rhea: Wouldn't it be much more responsible to organize a virtual conference? A face-to-face event means that many participants are flying to SF, produce tons of harmful carbon emissions and accellerate climate crisis. We all are familiar with online conferences since covid-19 pandemic and they work quite well. Also its likely that more MO members around the world could attend a virtual than a physical conference, be it for cost, time or political reasons (for example, it can be hard for mathematicans from Russia or Iran to get an entry permit for the USA)." CreationDate="2022-09-18T12:32:29.347" UserId="18571" />
  <row Id="27682" PostId="5446" Score="8" Text="There are many advantages to an online conference, including some listed by @tj_.  But having attended a couple of in-person conferences recently, I was reminded anew that they also have a great many advantages.  Somehow running into colleagues at coffee breaks or over drinks tends to lead to a lot more collaboration and/or exchange of ideas.  Attending a talk in-person commands one's attention in a way that a video might not.  Et cetera." CreationDate="2022-09-19T00:33:40.693" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="27706" PostId="5446" Score="0" Text="I'd like to attend. This sounds fun." CreationDate="2022-09-21T15:39:29.890" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="27689" PostId="5455" Score="4" Text="It's probably too late to suggest more questions: the nomination form is now open, and the selected questions are visible there: https://mathoverflow.net/election/3?tab=nomination" CreationDate="2022-09-19T21:38:32.857" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27690" PostId="5455" Score="0" Text="I don't see it @TheAmplitwist" CreationDate="2022-09-19T21:39:34.400" UserId="159957" />
  <row Id="27691" PostId="5455" Score="0" Text="There's a small toggle titled &quot;Show Questions&quot; under the heading &quot;Questionnaire&quot;. Can you check if it is visible for you, and does clicking on it work?" CreationDate="2022-09-19T21:41:24.617" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27692" PostId="5455" Score="1" Text="Damn that's sooo tiny. They need to up it's size x) @TheAmplitwist but yes I found it" CreationDate="2022-09-19T21:42:01.337" UserId="159957" />
  <row Id="27693" PostId="5455" Score="1" Text="True. Probably worth suggesting on Meta SE." CreationDate="2022-09-19T21:42:39.277" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27694" PostId="5455" Score="4" Text="Of course, there's also the notice at the very top of this question that reads: &quot;**The purpose of this thread was to collect questions for the questionnaire. The questionnaire is now live, and you may find it [here](https://mathoverflow.net/election/3#questionnaire).**&quot;" CreationDate="2022-09-19T21:45:20.613" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27695" PostId="5455" Score="5" Text="As an aside, each question should go into a different answer so that they can be individually voted on, etc. Maybe something to keep in mind for the next SE election." CreationDate="2022-09-19T21:57:56.470" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27696" PostId="5457" Score="4" Text="There was nothing official. It was merely a discussion on meta." CreationDate="2022-09-20T18:09:22.323" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27697" PostId="5457" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila Ah, thank you; I'll edit accordingly." CreationDate="2022-09-20T18:14:23.670" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="27698" PostId="5457" Score="8" Text="Perhaps it is worth mentioning that similar posts were made [in 2021](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4926) and &#xA;[in 2013](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/919)." CreationDate="2022-09-20T18:39:13.057" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27707" PostId="5457" Score="4" Text="I don't know who to nominate, but I am a little concerned that there are only two candidates, so I hope there are some more nominations..." CreationDate="2022-09-21T17:27:22.547" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="27708" PostId="5457" Score="2" Text="@SamHopkins If you want to nominate someone, a good first guess is to look at [the results of the previous election](https://www.opavote.com/results/6244107849564160) and consider the runner-ups." CreationDate="2022-09-21T17:44:39.230" UserId="55893" />
  <row Id="27716" PostId="5457" Score="3" Text="And now it looks like we only have one candidate..." CreationDate="2022-09-22T21:55:16.763" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="27772" PostId="5457" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila I apologize if this is not the right place to post this comment/question, but in elections with only one candidate it has sometimes been the practice to introduce a &quot;dummy&quot; candidate with a name such as &quot;RON&quot; for &quot;re-open nominations&quot;. Is this something that might be considered in this case?" CreationDate="2022-09-24T13:56:35.957" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27774" PostId="5457" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi: I don't remember the protocol exactly, but if my memory serves me right, if there is only one nomination the election is canceled anyway (and may be rescheduled). I'll find out, but it's the weekend, so I'm guessing we'll all find out together come Monday." CreationDate="2022-09-24T15:56:08.733" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27775" PostId="5457" Score="5" Text="From the [FAQ](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/135361) on Meta SE, if at the end of the nomination period &quot;the number of nominees is less than or equal to the number of moderator slots, the nomination period will be extended by seven days, and if there are still not enough nominees to make the election competitive, the election will be cancelled entirely.&quot;" CreationDate="2022-09-24T16:30:48.003" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27701" PostId="5458" Score="6" Text="Asking here about suitableness on Main is absolutely on-topic for Meta! I'm not sure about the intended question, only because it seems borderline between MO and Academia.SE. If you had specific mathematical questions (eg, &quot;I'm interested in x, y and z, what are specific current details about a, b, c that I might do for a PhD&quot;), then that seems at least in the ballpark on being on-topic. If it was more of a general &quot;How do I find out info about topic x, y and z&quot;, then that feels closer to Academia, where there are a number of active mathematicians who could answer)" CreationDate="2022-09-21T12:32:24.650" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27702" PostId="5458" Score="1" Text="However, even the second situation is not so clear-cut. A well-motivated and explained question might garner an informative response like this similar-seeming question did: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/430646/most-efficient-way-of-getting-a-brief-overview-of-the-current-active-research-ar" CreationDate="2022-09-21T12:33:58.440" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27703" PostId="5458" Score="1" Text="I think I'll try on Academia first, and if nothing comes out, I'll risk being scolded for posting an irrelevant question on Math Overflow..." CreationDate="2022-09-21T13:32:37.150" UserId="491609" />
  <row Id="27704" PostId="5458" Score="0" Text="It's not irrelevant - if Academia.SE didn't exist I think no one would complain. If you were to post a draft of the question here I could be a bit more concrete in my comments. Best of luck, in any case!" CreationDate="2022-09-21T13:47:01.527" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27705" PostId="5458" Score="4" Text="I posted it here: https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/188974/are-there-any-resources-out-there-to-help-you-find-inspiration-for-a-phd-topic. Maybe it's too subjective, I don't know, but it was worth a shot." CreationDate="2022-09-21T14:12:26.957" UserId="491609" />
  <row Id="27805" PostId="5459" Score="6" Text="Thanks for the nomination! Unfortunately, I don't have the time at the moment to devote to being a moderator. I'll definitely consider running in the future, though." CreationDate="2022-09-26T14:41:03.583" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="27715" PostId="5461" Score="16" Text="`However, your comments run counter to the values of MathOverflow, where we strive to create an inclusive community free of discrimination based on factors such as gender. Your comments offend our values to such a degree that we have chosen to reject your candidacy in the moderator election.` Sounds like a pretty convincing reason to me!" CreationDate="2022-09-22T21:53:19.727" UserId="112114" />
  <row Id="27717" PostId="5461" Score="1" Text="@KReiser, But no clear reason show that i'm disagree with mathoverflow  values , All of my comments were respected" CreationDate="2022-09-22T21:56:36.730" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27718" PostId="5461" Score="12" Text="Again, from the message you posted above: `Our Code of Conduct calls for:&#xA;&#xA;No bigotry. We don’t tolerate any language likely to offend or alienate people based on race, gender, sexual orientation, or religion — and those are just a few examples. Use stated pronouns (when known). When in doubt, don't use language that might offend or alienate.` Your comments about women, which are quoted in the message above, are very clearly in conflict with this code of conduct." CreationDate="2022-09-22T22:06:13.017" UserId="112114" />
  <row Id="27719" PostId="5461" Score="0" Text="@KReiser, ok thank you but i deleted these comments upon i was informed .And I deleted these comments, in which I showed my respect for the strictness of the site, as well as respect for its users." CreationDate="2022-09-22T22:09:13.797" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27720" PostId="5461" Score="12" Text="Deleting the comments doesn't change the fact that you made them in the first place. Do you think it would be alright if someone made comments critical of a group that you are a member of and then deleted them later? Being a moderator here is a privilege, and making the sorts of comments you did has disqualified you from pursuing that particular privilege at this time." CreationDate="2022-09-22T22:18:26.457" UserId="112114" />
  <row Id="27740" PostId="5461" Score="9" Text="I appreciate your enthusiasm. However, no matter your intentions, your handling of the current matter is indicative of how you might act as a moderator. People can make up their minds whether they feel you are suited to the role based on this information alone. Optics are also important, and a controversy being generated over merely nominating and dealing with the resulting discussion does not bode well, even if accidental." CreationDate="2022-09-23T04:30:09.803" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27743" PostId="5461" Score="4" Text="I intend no disrespect for anyone involved in this. But my impression of reading op's posts and comments was, he has some trouble communicating in English and his language skills might lead to some misunderstandings. So I think his comments should have been taken with a grain of salt. (I mean in general, not talking about this specific case)" CreationDate="2022-09-23T12:27:20.133" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="27721" PostId="5462" Score="12" Text="You seem to have reformulated what the candidate was trying to express, and your interpretation might be correct.  However what was written (and quoted in the question) was: ``I do not think that the feminist side can be brought to this strict website unless its strictness is removed and it turns into an emotional site.&quot;  At the very least this quote suggests an inability to communicate, which already would seem to be a great hurdle to being a moderator.  I agree that it would have been better to specify qualifications for being a moderator which could be applied uniformly (cot'd)" CreationDate="2022-09-22T22:57:53.580" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="27722" PostId="5462" Score="9" Text="However, a bad/unqualified moderator can clearly do a lot of harm, and I am disinclined to argue just based on principle  that what happened here was wrong.  (Of course you are entitled to your take, and to some extent I understand it.)" CreationDate="2022-09-22T22:59:06.503" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="27723" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@Steven Landsburg  , you are downvoted because you claimed this &quot; I do not think you should have been removed as a candidate&quot;  your answer will  upvoted if you edit your question removing that sentence" CreationDate="2022-09-22T23:08:46.347" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27724" PostId="5462" Score="7" Text="@Lucia:  &quot;At the very least this quote suggests an inability to communicate, which already would seem to be a great hurdle to being a moderator.&quot;  With this, I absolutely agree." CreationDate="2022-09-22T23:09:05.140" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="27725" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@Lucia My goal from all my comments was to find a plan to attract the female sex to this site and not vice versa. Perhaps my language was not understood. Unfortunately, I did not allow the opportunity to explain more. All intentions were very good, as i'm  a very open person to communicate with all genders without any discrimination." CreationDate="2022-09-22T23:12:38.743" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27728" PostId="5462" Score="6" Text="@zeraouliarafik: We have no way to stare into your soul and see what your true intentions are.  All we can see is what you wrote, which looks to me like crude stereotyping.  If that is not what you meant, the fact that you could not communicate clearly about such sensitive issues makes you (in my opinion) not qualified to be a moderator.  After all, dealing with sensitive conflicts is one of the main tasks of that job." CreationDate="2022-09-22T23:24:44.843" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="27730" PostId="5462" Score="4" Text="All of this controversy is uneeded. The question &quot;Do you think women are underrepresented...&quot; is opinion based. Here are the facts: 1) Women have just as much access to MO as men and 2) There is no evidence women are treated any different than men on this site. So why do we have to &quot;go there&quot; at all? Silly." CreationDate="2022-09-22T23:38:23.670" UserId="125801" />
  <row Id="27732" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@AaronHendrickson ,exactly and I agree with you, and i just suggested my opinion without any lack with Mathoverflow values ." CreationDate="2022-09-22T23:40:49.757" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27733" PostId="5462" Score="3" Text="@AndyPutman:  &quot;....which looks to me like crude stereotyping...&quot;.   But it seems to me that the question **called** for crude stereotyping.  I don't see a way to answer this question without some sort of (probably not very well-founded) speculation about differences between men and women." CreationDate="2022-09-22T23:47:11.803" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="27735" PostId="5462" Score="6" Text="@StevenLandsburg: I don’t see why one must engage in crude stereotyping (or think that it has any biological basis whatsoever) to discuss how women’s experience of MO and the mathematical community more broadly can be different from men’s.  There are plenty of first-hand accounts of this available.  How we should handle this is obviously a subtle and sometimes contentious issue, but I don’t think its mere existence is easily disputed, at least without accusing vast numbers of people of lying about their own experiences." CreationDate="2022-09-23T00:19:12.780" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="27736" PostId="5462" Score="1" Text="(but I don’t want to be drawn further into a discussion of this here, so I won’t respond to any followup comments you might make)." CreationDate="2022-09-23T00:20:15.770" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="27741" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@StevenLandsburg If you don’t know how to answer question 8 without resorting to bigotry and sexism, you could check out my answer to it." CreationDate="2022-09-23T05:41:24.170" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="27752" PostId="5462" Score="1" Text="@Carl-FredrikNybergBrodda, The biological logic said man is not equal women .All what i have claimed about the method of dealing were true ." CreationDate="2022-09-23T15:41:10.887" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27754" PostId="5462" Score="7" Text="I think we should move on. It is evident that there are some linguistic and cultural differences that make it very difficult to have a really constructive conversation.  Personally, I think that zaraoulia rafik was in good faith and he did not intend to offend women or to be a bigot/a sexist. At least, not on purpose. On the other hand, I agree that some of his comments were inappropriate for the privileged role he intended to take. I repeat, let us move on, after all this is not Twitter." CreationDate="2022-09-23T15:59:51.910" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="27755" PostId="5462" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi To me, anyone saying “The woman sees any strict scientific comment as something that discourages her. She cannot accept her scientific reality, her behavior is imaginary, emotional…” cannot in any way be considered to act in good faith. If you still don’t believe that, then replacing “woman” by a member of any religion, race, or sexual orientation will hopefully show how bigoted these comments really are." CreationDate="2022-09-23T16:07:53.963" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="27756" PostId="5462" Score="6" Text="@Carl-FredrikNybergBrodda: It is evident that there are wide cultural differences here,  maybe he wrote something that is considered appropriate in *his* cultural context. That said, he claimed that he did not mean any intentional offense, and generally I am inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially if it is the first time they make a mistake. And, as an aside, I think that a potential moderator should make an effort to do the same: after all, their role is to calm things down, not to throw gasoline into the fire." CreationDate="2022-09-23T16:11:53.737" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="27757" PostId="5462" Score="1" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi The only relevant culture here is that of MO, which clearly denounces such statements as OP has made. This very clearly shows why the deletion was justified. Supporting the removal of bigotry from a democratic election is not throwing gasoline on a fire. It is supporting the decision already made by the moderators. I agree it should be a closed case." CreationDate="2022-09-23T16:16:08.443" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="27758" PostId="5462" Score="5" Text="@Carl-FredrikNybergBrodda: I expressed my opinion. Since I think we should move on, I will not comment further on this topic." CreationDate="2022-09-23T16:17:26.283" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="27759" PostId="5462" Score="6" Text="Since my name got thrown around a little last time, I just wanted to say that I support @FrancescoPolizzi here." CreationDate="2022-09-23T16:18:23.033" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27760" PostId="5462" Score="2" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi And I expressed mine in response to yours. I agree we should move on." CreationDate="2022-09-23T16:20:52.040" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="27761" PostId="5462" Score="1" Text="I accepted my loss in participating in election  with a high  mathematical spirit, but this behavior of the  moderators admin  discouraged me despite the great enthusiasm I had in serving this respectable site." CreationDate="2022-09-23T16:55:13.673" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27766" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi Thank you for your logical passage. So far, I have not said anything offensive to women. I only explained the nature of women and what the treatment must be determined to gain this gender to be representative of this site. The male is not like the female. This is due to its nature. Now, any sin I committed to be excluded in this way from the elections, this in itself is a discouraging act on the part of the  moderators of MO." CreationDate="2022-09-23T23:19:28.580" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27767" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi And I hope that this exclusion decision will be reviewed in order to be fair, because, frankly, I see it as unworthy behavior that respected mathematicians in this respected site do." CreationDate="2022-09-23T23:19:46.450" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27769" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi  Thank you for your logical passage. So far, I have not said anything offensive to women. I only explained the nature of women and what the treatment must be determined to gain this gender to be representative of this site. The male is not like the female. This is due to its nature. Now, any sin I committed to be excluded in this way from the elections, this in itself is a discouraging act on the part of the moderators of MO" CreationDate="2022-09-24T12:26:41.693" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27770" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@YemonChoi  And I hope that this exclusion decision will be reviewed in order to be fair, because, frankly, I see it as unworthy behavior that respected mathematicians in this respected site do." CreationDate="2022-09-24T12:27:12.017" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27771" PostId="5462" Score="6" Text="@zeraouliarafik For the record, neither Francesco nor I said that we agreed with your assertions about &quot;the nature of women&quot;. I cannot speak for Francesco but I disagree strongly with your opinions. For what it is worth, I would also have voted against your nomination for a moderator on this site because I do not think you have the required mathematical and academic background. All I meant in my previous comment is that I agreed with https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5461/why-my-nomination-for-2022-community-moderator-election-withdrawn-without-convin/5462?noredirect=1#comment27754_5462" CreationDate="2022-09-24T13:51:48.493" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27729" PostId="5463" Score="4" Text="Previous times it looked like there weren’t many candidates at first, and then several decided to run near the end." CreationDate="2022-09-22T23:28:32.147" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="27737" PostId="5463" Score="5" Text="Yeah, I think that most tenured people are overwhelmed by administrative duties, so they're waiting and hoping that someone else volunteers.  My guess is that you'll get some people at the last minute (but just the be clear, not me!)." CreationDate="2022-09-23T02:32:44.757" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="27739" PostId="5463" Score="8" Text="All of a sudden? We announced that a month ago to give people time to reflect." CreationDate="2022-09-23T04:18:28.960" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27745" PostId="5463" Score="4" Text="@AsafKaragila: fair enough, but again if you look at the historical pattern of elections at MO, one month is a very short time frame. Also, echoing something said in the comments above, for folks who operate on an &quot;academic timeframe,&quot; one month can be not very much time to decide whether to take on a big additional commitment." CreationDate="2022-09-23T14:04:46.977" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="27768" PostId="5463" Score="5" Text="@SamHopkins Well -- how big or how small an additional commitment being a moderator on MO is, is largely up to the moderator themselve. But as I understand, it is in the interest of the community that moderators can regularly devote a non-negligible amount of time to their duties. -- And people for whom one month notice is sufficient are  probably more likely to be able to do this than people for whom one month notice is insufficient to make the decision to run and to write their nomination." CreationDate="2022-09-24T08:19:19.143" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27773" PostId="5463" Score="4" Text="@StefanKohl Given the self-selection mechanism you describe, isn't there a risk of &quot;The best lack all conviction while the worst / are full of passionate intensity&quot;" CreationDate="2022-09-24T13:57:44.077" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27776" PostId="5463" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi Yes, that risk is there -- but I fear that risk would also not be eliminated by announcing an election much longer in advance." CreationDate="2022-09-24T20:09:28.180" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27779" PostId="5463" Score="2" Text="@StefanKohl:  In the previous election, noises that there should be such an election came from members of the community (myself included) many months before the election was scheduled.  And, it had been almost 10 years from the previous election.  Maybe at present there is little enthusiasm for an election, given that changes happened quite recently?" CreationDate="2022-09-25T00:04:58.590" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="27783" PostId="5463" Score="6" Text="Well, my impression is that recently there is a lack of enthusiasm for MO in general, regardless of the election." CreationDate="2022-09-25T09:39:10.883" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="27801" PostId="5463" Score="4" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi Interesting, what gives you that impression?" CreationDate="2022-09-25T18:28:38.223" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="27802" PostId="5463" Score="2" Text="@AlecRhea: I am not sure, but it seems to me that there is less participation than in the past, and people seem to have less fun than before. But it is just a feeling, and I might be wrong." CreationDate="2022-09-25T22:00:42.040" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="27744" PostId="5464" Score="2" Text="Can't reproduce this in my office (RHEL 8.5, Chromium). What browser do you use? Have you tried a different device/browser/incognito mode? Is Mercury in retrograde, have the goats bleated twice before the sacrifice? [Have you tried to blame caching?](https://shouldiblamecaching.com/)" CreationDate="2022-09-23T13:37:12.490" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27746" PostId="5464" Score="0" Text="This is Firefox 105.0 on Linux. Reloading the cache, restarting the browser, logging out and in, and trying private mode, made no difference. Now I checked that Chromium 105.0 does it, too." CreationDate="2022-09-23T14:06:22.257" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27749" PostId="5464" Score="7" Text="So, as answered by VLAZ on Meta.SE, it turns out this is a Google Analytics cross-domain tracking parameter, and it goes away if you disable performance cookies." CreationDate="2022-09-23T15:04:01.783" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27750" PostId="5464" Score="2" Text="Ah. That makes sense. I'm not used a browser without an ad block for years now." CreationDate="2022-09-23T15:14:51.920" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27764" PostId="5466" Score="0" Text="And also my comments about women in my context  dosn't seems violent or disrespectful to me but  it were appeared to MO community violent and offent lead to withdrawn my candidacy . understanding me ?" CreationDate="2022-09-23T19:36:47.690" UserId="51189" />
  <row Id="27765" PostId="5466" Score="3" Text="@zeraouliarafik I think I understand you. Unfortunately, if you want to be a moderator, then the way that your words are _perceived_ is just as important as the actual thoughts and intentions behind those words. One of the requirements for being a good moderator is having a good understanding of what sorts of things people find offensive, and why." CreationDate="2022-09-23T21:33:32.187" UserId="5736" />
  <row Id="27784" PostId="5467" Score="4" Text="This is a known bug: see [Links to migrated answers' revision histories incorrectly go to the parent question's revision history instead of the answer's history](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/372072) on Meta SE." CreationDate="2022-09-25T09:52:13.583" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27785" PostId="5467" Score="2" Text="I will add that the edit is shown in the [revision history of the MO answer](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/431157/revisions)." CreationDate="2022-09-25T09:53:23.177" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27787" PostId="5467" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5467/edit-history-lost-on-migration#comment27785_5467)!  Not that you were saying it didn't (or that it did, for that matter), but I still think that this constitutes a bug:  there is no indication at all at MSE that the answer on MSE over one user's name was actually edited by another user.  In fact, if it weren't for your link, I wouldn't even know how to find the MO answer's revision history, since the [answer itself](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/431157) seems no longer to exist.  How did you?" CreationDate="2022-09-25T10:22:55.130" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27788" PostId="5467" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5467/edit-history-lost-on-migration#comment27784_5467)! Unless I am misunderstanding, this is slightly different: the [revision history](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/4538388/revisions) shows *no* revisions, rather than linking to the revision history of the MO answer. Maybe this is a special case when the answer has not been edited since migration, so that there is no ‘automatic’ link to the revision history on MSE?" CreationDate="2022-09-25T10:29:00.050" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27789" PostId="5467" Score="1" Text="@LSpice If you view the revision history of Marco's migrated answer on Math SE, then you will see this notice in a grey bar: &quot;**Post Migrated Here** from [mathoverflow.net](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/431135/notation-about-n-choose-k-permutations/431157?noredirect=1#431157) ([revisions](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/431135/revisions))&quot;. The first link points to the original answer on MO, and the second link is _supposed_ to point to the revision history of the original answer on MathOverflow. However, you'll notice that it mistakenly links to the revision history of the MO question." CreationDate="2022-09-25T11:29:39.713" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27790" PostId="5467" Score="2" Text="But it is by design that only the latest revision is migrated: see [Does a migration remove edits from the edit history?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/208831) on Meta SE." CreationDate="2022-09-25T11:30:58.780" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27791" PostId="5467" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5467/edit-history-lost-on-migration#comment27789_5467)!  I completely missed that top text.  So *that* (the mis-pointed link) *does* seem to be a bug, not by design, and I think should be reported.  Would you like to do so (or perhaps you have already), or shall I?" CreationDate="2022-09-25T11:33:05.293" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27792" PostId="5467" Score="1" Text="@LSpice That the second link is mis-pointed is the content of the bug report I linked in my very first comment :)" CreationDate="2022-09-25T11:33:43.650" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27793" PostId="5467" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist, [sigh](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5467/edit-history-lost-on-migration#comment27792_5467), yes, not enough sleep for me, I guess!  Thanks!" CreationDate="2022-09-25T11:34:23.290" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27795" PostId="5467" Score="1" Text="No problem! I have to agree that it's not quite clear in the first place (a) that only the latest revision is migrated; (b) how one can access earlier revisions of a migrated post; (c) that there is a bug that causes different behaviour when accessing revisions of migrated questions vs. answers. If you wish, I can write up an answer to this question, summarising our discussion in these comments." CreationDate="2022-09-25T11:36:28.493" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27796" PostId="5467" Score="1" Text="@TheAmplitwist, as you point it's in some sense a duplicate, but apparently not on MMO, so, sure, if you write up [that answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5467/edit-history-lost-on-migration#comment27795_5467), then I will be pleased to accept it." CreationDate="2022-09-25T11:37:38.940" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27800" PostId="5467" Score="0" Text="@LSpice Done. I can remove my comments from under your question now, if you'd like." CreationDate="2022-09-25T12:22:24.890" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27803" PostId="5469" Score="2" Text="I think this is a good suggestion. I have personally used the tag in the past when asking for surely known results in the literature that I needed a reference for, not to know why the result was true or an outright explanation of it (for instance the results of specific worked-out examples I suspected were done somewhere). But it was a soft boundary, and I couldn't point to my usage as being ideal." CreationDate="2022-09-26T02:43:31.420" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27804" PostId="5469" Score="1" Text="I agree that the current use of this tag is too broad and the given suggestion sounds good." CreationDate="2022-09-26T14:17:52.990" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27806" PostId="5469" Score="0" Text="Does this mean that my use of the `reference-request` tag in my question here: https://mathoverflow.net/q/431216/148766 was inappropriate? Link for context, but basically I'm asking a question and also asking if there's any good expository readings related to my question, since I couldn't find any in google. My hope is that I can get an answer to my immediate question plus some grad-student level resources -- motivated by the &quot;teach me how to fish&quot; adage :) Was this an incorrect use of the tag?" CreationDate="2022-09-27T14:37:51.373" UserId="148766" />
  <row Id="27814" PostId="5469" Score="2" Text="@Eric, I think that’s ok; “what are references for tbe calculation of Ext of a chain complex” is a fair subquestion and fits the prooosed tag definition." CreationDate="2022-09-28T02:40:05.743" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="27817" PostId="5469" Score="1" Text="By the way I'd prefer *&quot;results which you have proved and suspect have been proved elsewhere&quot;* be omitted, so avoid encouraging self-advertisement. Indeed I think I've already seen posts essentially along these lines, where presumably OP knows/expects that the result is new and disguises the advertisement into an existence-of-a-reference verification. Actually, just *&quot;Requests for references on results which are already known to the person asking the question, e.g., results which have been used elsewhere without reference.&quot;* sounds enough to me." CreationDate="2022-10-03T14:34:52.887" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27847" PostId="5469" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, I passionately hate this tag but I'm not interested in rocking the boat on this one. Would it be helpful to rename the tag to something more active and deliberate like `looking-for-a-reference`, or perhaps something narrower like `literature-reference-request`? Both of these would, I think, rule out the &quot;looking for a proof but a reference is fine&quot; interpretation." CreationDate="2022-10-14T22:25:41.487" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="27820" PostId="5472" Score="32" Text="Congratulations, David!" CreationDate="2022-10-04T20:24:03.177" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="27821" PostId="5472" Score="21" Text="Thank you both :-)" CreationDate="2022-10-04T20:48:25.457" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27822" PostId="5472" Score="25" Text="Thanks to both Carl-Fredrik and David for putting themselves forwards :)" CreationDate="2022-10-04T22:13:08.653" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27823" PostId="5472" Score="11" Text="Thanks to all for a successful election, and welcome, David, to another phase of life on MathOverflow!" CreationDate="2022-10-04T22:59:32.543" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="27824" PostId="5472" Score="11" Text="@Tim I hope I don't regret it :-)" CreationDate="2022-10-04T23:12:05.073" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27826" PostId="5472" Score="2" Text="&quot;votes have been counted&quot;: this points to a .blt file. Well, I could open it online (https://filext.com/online-file-viewer.html) and eventually this is just a plain text file, with a list of sequences (such as &quot;1 2 0&quot;...) and the numbered names of candidates at the end. Is there a legend/explanation anywhere to decipher the meaning of the information in the file?" CreationDate="2022-10-06T08:08:02.753" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27827" PostId="5472" Score="2" Text="@YCor: Yes, good point. When I posted this, there was no online count available, but there is now. I'll update the link." CreationDate="2022-10-06T08:31:10.677" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27828" PostId="5472" Score="5" Text="Congratulations also from me!" CreationDate="2022-10-07T09:53:44.210" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="27833" PostId="5474" Score="16" Text="Long-term user whose contributions remain after he left, now attributed to 'user6976'." CreationDate="2022-10-11T07:30:12.620" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27834" PostId="5474" Score="14" Text="It seems that Professor Sapir also posted under [markvs](https://stackexchange.com/users/2944634/markvs)." CreationDate="2022-10-11T07:39:25.990" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="28232" PostId="5474" Score="10" Text="correct me if I'm wrong, but the switch to &quot;user6976&quot; happened because the account was deleted by the user, not because the user passed away." CreationDate="2023-01-07T15:28:23.837" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="27842" PostId="5476" Score="6" Text="As one of Garth's colleagues, I have taken the liberty of correcting the details. I had not thought to post anything on MathOverflow since I did not know if this was &quot;news of potential interest to the MO community&quot;." CreationDate="2022-10-13T16:54:23.557" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27848" PostId="5477" Score="1" Text="*Tags related to a specific person are generally bad* I suggest adding an argument as to why." CreationDate="2022-10-14T22:36:42.547" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27849" PostId="5477" Score="3" Text="@FedericoPoloni There are several. For one, it would mostly be a meta-tag except for question about the person's life (see [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/tagging) for more info on meta-tags). I generally use some quick litmus tests to determine whether a tag is good or bad. The first test is: can I think of more than three contexts where one would search for this tag? The second test is: can I think of more than three people who might subscribe to notifications for this tag? This particular case fails the first but passes the second." CreationDate="2022-10-14T22:48:23.883" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="27872" PostId="5477" Score="0" Text="Can we get a hilbert tag?" CreationDate="2022-10-17T19:29:17.733" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="27876" PostId="5477" Score="0" Text="@SidharthGhoshal, I don't know if there's room for a [tag:hilbert]." CreationDate="2022-10-18T19:51:05.730" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27877" PostId="5477" Score="10" Text="@LSpice, just move all the other tags up by one." CreationDate="2022-10-18T21:55:37.813" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27846" PostId="5478" Score="2" Text="If you vote for this option, please comment on how you think the tag should be used." CreationDate="2022-10-14T15:09:04.100" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="27851" PostId="5478" Score="0" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais, I guess a vote for this option together with no comment indicates that it should receive the empty use, i.e., none at all? " CreationDate="2022-10-15T21:46:17.353" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27863" PostId="5478" Score="5" Text="I voted for this option just because I love Erdos! and I have no idea how the tag should be used. Just thought that seeing his name among the tags would be cool [insert shrug emoji]" CreationDate="2022-10-16T17:05:03.163" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="27845" PostId="5479" Score="2" Text="If you vote for this option, please add your preferred rename(s) in a comment." CreationDate="2022-10-14T15:08:18.600" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="27865" PostId="5479" Score="4" Text="I think [tag:erdos-problem] would be a much better tag. The tag [tag:erdos] is a good illustration of &quot;what's an example of a poor tag name?&quot; Should I ask a question about a mathematical problem in which Erdős was involved, I wouldn't tag &quot;erdos&quot; because it's not a question about Erdős." CreationDate="2022-10-17T08:07:09.473" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27843" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="This one is my choice (I was surprised to see that the tag existed and had content!), but I can't vote for my own answer." CreationDate="2022-10-14T14:42:35.453" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27844" PostId="5480" Score="2" Text="I voted for you." CreationDate="2022-10-14T15:06:53.287" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28218" PostId="5480" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Do you think that the voting suggests a strong enough consensus to start removing [tag:erdos]?&#xA;Would it be reasonable to start with the [17 questions that are not tagged co.combinatorics](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/erdos+-co.combinatorics) and then asking mods to [remove the tag from the rest](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/erdos+co.combinatorics) by merging [tag:erdos] into [tag:combinatorics]?" CreationDate="2022-12-31T15:06:36.647" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27852" PostId="5481" Score="22" Text="A research-level question in mathematics education is not the same as a research-level question in mathematics.  Even having a question that is best answerable by mathematicians does not make it a research-level question in mathematics, and mathematicians do not congregate *only* on MO.  While such questions are important, the opinion of some in the community (including me) is that they do not belong on MO.  I think you should take it as just an expression of community norms, not of any anger.  Overall, if you think that your question is appropriate, then feel free to post it! …" CreationDate="2022-10-15T21:47:47.187" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27853" PostId="5481" Score="3" Text="[…](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5481/if-it-doesnt-interest-you-dont-read-it#comment27852_5481) It might be closed, but, in the end, being closed is just a report on the appropriateness of a problem, not a punishment.  And such a question can still be seen on MO, and considered for re-opening, in case the original impression is wrong and the broader community does welcome the question—and, in that case, as far as I know there is not even any indication other than in the revision history that the closure ever happened." CreationDate="2022-10-15T21:51:09.983" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27854" PostId="5481" Score="5" Text="Dear @LSpice, If you are both fair and curious, I would like to ask you to check the Mathematics Education tag and see for yourself, among the top 10 most recent questions posted there, how many are research-level questions in mathematics. The answer is zero. Thus, your suggestion for taking it as community norms is problematic. I think the issue is caused by having a Mathematics Education tag on Mathoverflow, but not having a tolerance for certain type of questions. Consequently, one solution would be to remove that tag entirely, which is not what I am suggesting." CreationDate="2022-10-15T23:16:42.110" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27855" PostId="5481" Score="0" Text="@LSpice Furthermore, I am not sure why the word &quot;punishment&quot; appeared in your comment, as that is not what I said. What I said, was some people should have an awareness that they may not have sufficient qualifications to judge every question related to Mathematics Education, just like they don't try to answer Mathematics questions outside their specific area of expertise. I called for more tolerance, and suggested that instead of reacting angrily, they can just skip the question! Why do they have to read it at all?" CreationDate="2022-10-15T23:23:21.283" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27859" PostId="5481" Score="1" Text="@LSpice wrote &quot;being closed is ...not a punishment&quot;.  I agree.  A corollary is that we should vote to close such questions, but  should **not downvote them**." CreationDate="2022-10-16T06:32:11.820" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="27867" PostId="5481" Score="13" Text="@GeraldEdgar Being downvoted is not a punishment either." CreationDate="2022-10-17T10:10:56.460" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27888" PostId="5481" Score="1" Text="@LSpice I agree with everything you wrote, and I think it should also apply to history of mathematics questions. But I think that mine is a minority view on this topic." CreationDate="2022-10-23T21:28:45.927" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27893" PostId="5481" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Perhaps you can also tell us what harm you think may be caused by questions in history of mathematics and/or mathematics education?" CreationDate="2022-10-24T20:36:56.287" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27894" PostId="5481" Score="7" Text="@MahdiMajidi-Zolbanin The subdivision of Stack Exchange into topic-specific sites is useful to direct users to their preferred content. Off-topic questions make it more difficult to locate useful content, distract the attention of users, and make them less likely to visit this site. People come here for research math questions; if they wanted to see mathematics education they would go to matheducators.se." CreationDate="2022-10-24T20:50:07.090" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27895" PostId="5481" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni by that argument we should have a subdivision of Stack Exchange for every tag on Mathoverflow. For instance, Stack Exchange Algebraic Geometry, Stack Exchange Number Theory, etc. What I was asking was, what makes a research question in History of Mathematics &quot;off-topic&quot;, but a research question in Graph Theory, relevant, for instance?" CreationDate="2022-10-24T22:12:39.143" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27896" PostId="5481" Score="6" Text="@MahdiMajidi-Zolbanin I don't think these comments are a good place for this conversation, but anyway: You're setting up a &quot;slippery slope&quot; fallacy argument here. HoM and education are sufficiently different from &quot;regular&quot; mathematics in their research techniques, themes and background to deserve their own SE site, which indeed exists. Graph theory is not; it overlaps with many other tags. And one could argue that grammatically even the name &quot;history of mathematics&quot; means that it fits into the realm of history, not mathematics; exactly like a &quot;box of cookies&quot; is a box, not a cookie." CreationDate="2022-10-25T07:10:22.883" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27897" PostId="5481" Score="6" Text="And if your argument in favor of these questions is &quot;I want to reach research mathematicians, even if this is not what they signed up for, because they are the best audience for me&quot;, then it works also for a job posting, an ad for blackboards, etc. Do you think they are on-topic here?" CreationDate="2022-10-25T07:14:31.793" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27899" PostId="5481" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni I won't focus on your own &quot;fallacies&quot; here (e.g., job postings and advertisements are not *questions*, hence can't appear on a site that is for questions, etc.) Instead, I would like to acknowledge your point of view: I hear what you are saying. However, I think what you offered does not explain your own reasons for opposing History of Math or Math Education questions. You said such questions &quot;make it more difficult to locate useful content, distract the attention of users, and make them less likely to visit this site. People come here for research math questions&quot;. (continued)" CreationDate="2022-10-25T14:40:48.450" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27900" PostId="5481" Score="0" Text="I had asked: why can't people skip such questions? A real distraction is something that one does not have control over. Click on the tag of your interest and you will filter out all other &quot;off-topic&quot; questions. There is a search feature here, people don't have to go through every question to find research questions in mathematics. What you say does not explain why someone can't just skip questions with certain tags to avoid getting distracted. One has complete control over that. I would like to offer my own explanation for why some people can't just ignore certain questions: (continued)" CreationDate="2022-10-25T14:47:01.723" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27901" PostId="5481" Score="0" Text="Some people may be on Mathoverflow for accumulating &quot;reputation&quot; points. They see it as a competition. They may not be primarily motivated by having a discussion, they want to increase their &quot;reputation&quot;. From this point of view, discussion doesn't matter. The competition has to be &quot;fair&quot;. History of Math or Math Education reputations may not be as difficult to accumulate as research math questions. That's why it is not fair. Let's do an experiment: what if Mathoverflow is altered so that certain tags cannot contribute to users' &quot;reputation&quot;? People can ask and answer to questions (continued)" CreationDate="2022-10-25T14:55:43.287" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27902" PostId="5481" Score="0" Text="in History of Math or Math Education, but they will not receive any &quot;reputations&quot; for that. I think that could satisfy the critics. It is important to accept that not everybody cares about &quot;reputations&quot; on Mathoverflow. Some people are here out of pure curiosity." CreationDate="2022-10-25T14:59:19.773" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27924" PostId="5481" Score="3" Text="Some older discussions on this meta related to mathematics education: &#xA;[Are research questions in MSC 97 (Mathematics education) allowed on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/285) and [How should we react to the existence of Math Educators SE?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2155)" CreationDate="2022-10-29T09:55:44.693" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27856" PostId="5482" Score="1" Text="I edited to remove a name.  While the name was clearly included in response to specific past argumentation, that argumentation has not (yet?) occurred here.  I think that (pre-)personalising an argument is rarely productive, and hope we can avoid mentioning names non-essentially.  Of course, please feel free to put the name back if you find that it is essential." CreationDate="2022-10-16T00:02:56.237" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27857" PostId="5482" Score="1" Text="@LSpice I have no great objection to your edit but I am genuinely a bit unsure what you are referring to with &quot;the name was clearly included in response to specific past argumentation...  I think that (pre-)personalising an argument is rarely productive&quot;. I included the name in quoteation marks, referring to a tendency to invoke that particular person of genius to support a certain rhetorical position. Plus I remember reading some of that person's much-referenced article about 20 years ago, long before MO" CreationDate="2022-10-16T00:22:42.040" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27858" PostId="5482" Score="0" Text="[Re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5482/migrated-question-returned-to-mo-how-to-handle#comment27857_5482), yes, I meant by &quot;specific past argumentation&quot; that I guessed that you were anticipating the tendency to invoke the name." CreationDate="2022-10-16T00:55:37.013" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27860" PostId="5482" Score="1" Text="For quicker access, here is the [revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/431824/revisions) and [timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/431824/timeline) of the MO post, and [revision history](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/4545846/revisions) and [timeline](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/4545846/timeline) of the MSE post." CreationDate="2022-10-16T07:18:11.290" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27861" PostId="5482" Score="2" Text="Maybe it would be good to clarify whether the question is what to do with rejected migrations *in general*, or whether it is about *this particular question*. (If it's the latter, adding ([meta-tag:specific-question]) would be a suitable tag for this question.)" CreationDate="2022-10-16T11:06:28.857" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27862" PostId="5482" Score="0" Text="Good point @MartinSleziak - done now." CreationDate="2022-10-16T11:47:08.237" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27864" PostId="5482" Score="0" Text="I think that **(1)** migration to MathSE was a reasonable choice **(2)** that remigration from MathSE was a poor choice (especially knowing that it's been migrated from here); they should have chosen between closure and leaving the question open **(3)** given the migration from MathSE, migrating the question to MathSE is no longer an option, so I don't really see any &quot;hot potato&quot;: if the question is considered not suitable for MO, it should be closed and deleted." CreationDate="2022-10-17T07:37:54.263" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27868" PostId="5482" Score="3" Text="@YCor Just to make sure that you're aware that the part about &quot;should have chosen between closure and leaving question open&quot; isn't possible due to limits imposed by the Stack Exchange software. If a question is migrated and it is closed on the target site for a reason other than duplicate, then it is migrated back to the original site. This is explained in the FAQ post: [What is migration and how does it work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/10249)" CreationDate="2022-10-17T15:24:45.867" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27869" PostId="5482" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak thanks for mentioning this point (I'm actually not sure OP was aware of this, since the formulation &quot;pass the hot potato back to us&quot; suggested a deliberate choice of migration)." CreationDate="2022-10-17T15:29:36.463" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27870" PostId="5482" Score="1" Text="Indeed I was not aware of this - thanks @MartinSleziak. Well in that case this removes most of my reason/concern for asking this question." CreationDate="2022-10-17T15:34:40.770" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="27871" PostId="5482" Score="8" Text="The question was deemed unsuitable for Math SE (by a vote of five users, including myself).  When a question is closed after migration, it is &quot;returned&quot; to the originating site.  The fact that the question was &quot;genuine&quot; is not really relevant.  The problem with the question, vis-a-vis standards at Math SE, is that it is too broad, and doesn't really admit an objective answer (it was closed for being &quot;opinion based&quot;)." CreationDate="2022-10-17T16:19:23.387" UserId="113150" />
  <row Id="27873" PostId="5483" Score="0" Text="Since many people won't be able to see the deleted question here on MO, I will add at least a link to the version posted on [math.se]: [Is the Frog game solvable in the root of a full binary tree?](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3800570)" CreationDate="2022-10-18T12:23:03.707" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27874" PostId="5483" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak MSE version is longer as it expands on an approach that in the end, seems like a dead end. MO version (deleted) is a more compact version asking about alternatives, [here is source on pastebin](https://pastebin.com/JvzPqk2Z) that anyone not having access to deleted questions can temporarily copy paste here to see the deleted question." CreationDate="2022-10-18T12:53:33.640" UserId="88524" />
  <row Id="27875" PostId="5483" Score="4" Text="it was perhaps deleted by mistake; I would flag it for moderator attention and request an &quot;undelete&quot;." CreationDate="2022-10-18T13:24:25.287" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="27889" PostId="5484" Score="0" Text="I honestly cannot understand why absence of an answer can ever be a reason for removal of a question. Also I cannot understand why cross-posting is *frowned upon* at all; if question is good, it's better to have two places where people can find it then to have one such place." CreationDate="2022-10-24T03:31:16.140" UserId="81055" />
  <row Id="27890" PostId="5484" Score="0" Text="It is very annoying, and I'm speaking from a lot of experience, to put time and effort into trying to help someone, only to find out that the remarks you come up with were already made by someone else, and you could have spent those six hours making a different progress, from a different point. If I have money, and I'm hungry, I'm not calling three pizza places. I'm calling one. Even though all three would take my money." CreationDate="2022-10-24T05:54:47.593" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27891" PostId="5484" Score="0" Text="There are two parameters you can optimise for. First one is your annoyance, or negative thereof. Second is probability of obtaining an easily google-able answer for a question that some person learning/doing math found important/interesting. If you wish to optimise for the first one, you can stop answering questions; if for the second one, probably you should stop complaining. Also if your remarks are of fast food quality and could be _easily_ replicated by someone else, why do you bother to write them at all? Instead of producing replacement-level math text, you could make different progress!" CreationDate="2022-10-24T06:26:55.950" UserId="81055" />
  <row Id="27892" PostId="5484" Score="1" Text="@DenisT So your solution is to have people stop answering question? What's the point in creating communities of experts then? And yes, similar annoyance happens when people post the same question (forget Google, sometimes classmates do it within the hour). But how is that is something that I, or SE, can optimise for? It sounds like you're only seeing one small side of cross posting, and not the whole picture. Trust me, I've been far more active than you for longer, when I say it's a problem." CreationDate="2022-10-24T06:58:46.113" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27921" PostId="5484" Score="2" Text="@DenisT It's not clear at all that having the same question repeated twice helps people find what they're looking for on Google. It's better to see 8 relevant results than 4 results repeated twice." CreationDate="2022-10-27T01:24:30.723" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="28307" PostId="5487" Score="1" Text="Did you create it ?" CreationDate="2023-02-15T13:55:51.103" UserId="295295" />
  <row Id="28308" PostId="5487" Score="0" Text="@S.M.T Yes I did!" CreationDate="2023-02-16T15:01:13.233" UserId="493368" />
  <row Id="27906" PostId="5488" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your detailed response. I have a few things that I want to say. (1) &quot;Thus the definition normally arises in mathematics before the notion, not after it.&quot; Yes, *normally* it does, but not always. I included two examples in my original post, naturality of maps and moduli spaces were in use in mathematics before they had formal definitions. (2) As a corollary of (1), your statement that my &quot;phrase&quot; about the success of a Calculus program &quot;sounds totally meaningless, because you don't even yet know what you are talking about when saying mathematical maturity&quot; is not valid because" CreationDate="2022-10-25T15:24:08.093" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27908" PostId="5488" Score="0" Text="It was based on your claim that &quot;the definition normally arises in mathematics before the notion, not after it&quot;, which is not always true. But rather than responding to the points that you made, one by one, I would like to go back to the very beginning of your response. You wrote: &quot;The consensus about the definition of an &quot;MO appropriate question&quot; is currently that it is something way more restrictive than &quot;anything that mathematicians care about and may be the best people to ask...&quot; My entire question was about that very &quot;consensus&quot; that you referred to. I asked why?" CreationDate="2022-10-25T15:24:44.443" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27909" PostId="5488" Score="0" Text="I am questioning that very consensus! Where is it coming from? What has shaped that consensus? It doesn't make sense to me. I can only explain it if I think that some people are motivated by increasing their &quot;reputation&quot; points on MO and they want the &quot;game&quot; to be fair. Otherwise, it is very easy to filter out certain tags and not get distracted or pay attention to them. That's how I see it." CreationDate="2022-10-25T15:25:00.800" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27915" PostId="5488" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts I enjoyed reading your comments and found them very thoughtful. I appreciate them." CreationDate="2022-10-25T23:42:46.507" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27917" PostId="5488" Score="0" Text="@Mahdi thanks. I'll convert my comments to an answer, they got away from me... ;-)" CreationDate="2022-10-26T03:47:55.957" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27953" PostId="5488" Score="0" Text="@MahdiMajidi-Zolbanin &quot;My entire question was about that very &quot;consensus&quot; that you referred to. I asked why?&quot; David gave you some rationalization of what was going on, but really, as far as I see it, the consensus was just some compromise accepted after clashing several points of view. Let me just say that &quot;the majority prevailed&quot;, though I wasn't a part of it and I am far from the thought that the majority is always (or even usually) right. Still, since nobody is eager to resurrect old heated discussions, the questions like yours now should be of both high quality and wide interest to fly :-)" CreationDate="2022-10-31T01:17:05.157" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="27956" PostId="5488" Score="0" Text="@fedja Thank you. It makes good sense." CreationDate="2022-10-31T14:00:50.170" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="27922" PostId="5494" Score="10" Text="Or, maybe, you cleared your cache? It's a client-side script, it's not an option that is saved on the SE servers. (The insinuation of dictatorship is uncalled for, frankly quite very rude.)" CreationDate="2022-10-29T09:34:44.430" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27923" PostId="5494" Score="4" Text="Also, sometimes StackExchange makes changes to the software outside the control of the mods, but as I am new to the gig, I haven't seen anything like this yet." CreationDate="2022-10-29T09:43:19.083" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27925" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="So there is actually some problem? Things are displayed normally to me, as shown in the screenshot [posted in the MO chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2022/10/29)." CreationDate="2022-10-29T10:05:29.423" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27926" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="Your sarcasm is not justified. It happened several times that the SE staff or the MO moderators made changes without consulting with the whole community, which resulted in a bit of voiced frustration. Since humans reason by analogy and induction, I simply imagined that this was yet another case of such behaviour. If this change is indeed caused by the SE staff making changes and not caring about properly publicizing them, this only supports my remark that even nice people who get at the top stop caring about those at the bottom." CreationDate="2022-10-29T10:05:29.707" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27927" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Weird, it seems to affect users non-uniformly." CreationDate="2022-10-29T10:08:15.273" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27928" PostId="5496" Score="3" Text="@AlexM. It is my dictatorial privilege, apparently. Nobody said you can't criticise people, or complain about changes." CreationDate="2022-10-29T10:11:37.207" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27929" PostId="5496" Score="6" Text="@Alex StackExchange the company (or is it StackOverflow?) has a history of rolling out changes in a way the overall community hasn't appreciated, and this has been the case for years. It's a company that provides a service that sometimes makes bad calls on product roll-out. It's not elected people going mad with power, but chains of managers trying to balance the needs of their user base and the internal demands of people higher up. Sometimes these effects are emergent, and not the result of one person's decision, like many things in the world." CreationDate="2022-10-29T10:15:13.080" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27930" PostId="5496" Score="2" Text="@Martin: It's working fine on my phone, not so much in my laptop" CreationDate="2022-10-29T10:16:04.133" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27931" PostId="5496" Score="3" Text="So now that at least one other person confirmed that there is a problem, maybe the tag ([meta-tag:bug]) could be added to the question? I guess now it can be considered a bug report." CreationDate="2022-10-29T10:19:19.777" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27932" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak: Bug reports normally contain bug reports, rather than annoyed complaints. I have little to work with. What browser, OS, any js blocking add-ons, if any, are being used? Which platform is the site accessed from?" CreationDate="2022-10-29T10:29:36.983" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27933" PostId="5496" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila: Firefox 106.0.2, Windows 10 Home 21H2 64bit. The bug also shows up when using Firefox in troubleshoot mode or with a new user profile, so it cannot be caused by extensions or user-preferences." CreationDate="2022-10-29T11:32:26.990" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27934" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="I agree it must be patchy. I can see rep fine on Firefox on Mac and also Android." CreationDate="2022-10-29T12:05:42.483" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27935" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="@Alex: Logged out users will not have the option to opt-in for reputation. Just in case you were in that situation." CreationDate="2022-10-29T12:46:23.503" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27936" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: Hmm, maybe this is it. I did not log out, but I did &quot;refresh&quot; my Firefox (this is the Firefox term) in the hope of getting rid of what turned out to be a bug. In conclusion, if one logs out and then logs back in to MO, one can no longer see reputation? Strange." CreationDate="2022-10-29T15:39:06.100" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27937" PostId="5496" Score="1" Text="@AlexM. In the meantime, my &quot;show rep&quot; is back." CreationDate="2022-10-29T15:46:29.547" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27938" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: The oddity is that the problem does not manifest itself on Meta.MO. Also, my &quot;show rep&quot; is still missing, unlike yours." CreationDate="2022-10-29T16:49:03.700" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27939" PostId="5496" Score="3" Text="@AlexM. IIRC hiding rep was never applied on meta - only on the main site. At the time it was mentioned, for example, [in this comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/26850). (And maybe in some other places, too - but this is what I was able to find quickly.)" CreationDate="2022-10-29T16:57:23.647" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27940" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: &quot;show rep&quot; is back for me too, and working properly, thank you. What was the cause of the malfunction (if not too technical to discuss here)?" CreationDate="2022-10-29T22:38:50.607" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27941" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="@AlexM.: I have only just got back home, I did nothing. So, I don't know." CreationDate="2022-10-29T22:40:49.320" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27942" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila: Oh, then let me quickly retract the above thanks." CreationDate="2022-10-29T22:44:27.050" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27943" PostId="5496" Score="6" Text="@AlexM.: Come on, relax. Two people out there are doing their best to understand the problem and help, even though you called them dictatorial. So would it not be better to retract the above *accusations* rather than *thanks*?" CreationDate="2022-10-30T08:58:12.497" UserId="108637" />
  <row Id="27944" PostId="5496" Score="1" Text="@MateuszKwaśnicki: It is tiresome to have to put smileys in every text that is meant to be taken as a joke; I trust this community to be able to tell joke from offense. But here, let me explicit for you: of course that I was not retracting thanks. We should also not let this stream of comments get longer that it is useful." CreationDate="2022-10-30T10:28:06.343" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27946" PostId="5497" Score="1" Text="For easier access, I will add links to [the timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/433528/timeline) and [revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/433528/revisions) of the post." CreationDate="2022-10-30T14:58:32.803" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27951" PostId="5497" Score="2" Text="The link Steven gives now takes us to a post on m.se, closed as a duplicate and deleted by a moderator there." CreationDate="2022-10-30T21:53:13.530" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="27954" PostId="5497" Score="3" Text="As [pointed out in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2022/10/30), this might have been caused by a bug concerning migrations. A related post: [All question migrations are currently broken across the entire SE network](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/383353) (on [meta.se])." CreationDate="2022-10-31T04:35:00.147" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27945" PostId="5498" Score="1" Text="Quickly looking [through the corresponding FAQ post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/22228), one thing that is described there is this: &quot;You may sometimes see a lock from the Community user with no corresponding migration or deletion event: in that case, it was a migration, but a moderator later cleared the question's migration history.&quot; But your description suggests that it was something else." CreationDate="2022-10-30T14:58:29.797" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27947" PostId="5498" Score="1" Text="Aha, I selected the migrate option when voting to close, perhaps that also had something to do with it." CreationDate="2022-10-30T15:15:39.617" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27948" PostId="5498" Score="1" Text="When looking at the [list of migrated questions on MSE](https://math.stackexchange.com/tools?tab=migrated), I do not see this one. I do not have sufficient reputation to [view the same list on MO](https://mathoverflow.net/tools?tab=migrated) - perhaps somebody could check whether the question isn't displayed there among rejected migrations. (Although I will admit that it doesn't seem very likely.)" CreationDate="2022-10-30T15:22:07.133" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27949" PostId="5498" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak it's not on any of the migration lists (particularly Rejected or Away), only under the closed questions tab." CreationDate="2022-10-30T15:35:57.520" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27950" PostId="5498" Score="1" Text="Actually, now: 1) The [revision history on MO](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/433528/revisions) says &quot;migrated away&quot;. 2) On MSE there [is a migration target](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/4565137/revisions) (now deleted). 3) I see the question [among the migrations on MSE](https://math.stackexchange.com/tools). (I am pretty sure that when I posted the previous comments, I saw none of these three things. But maybe I remember it wrong...?)" CreationDate="2022-10-30T19:23:22.577" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27952" PostId="5498" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak it wasn't there before, no. I can now see it on the outbound list here on MO, and it wasn't there before. In this instance, it was probably not in good enough shape to migrate, I was being too generous to the OP. But we live and learn" CreationDate="2022-10-30T22:20:56.860" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27959" PostId="5499" Score="1" Text="I'd imagine that it's not a bug, but a &quot;feature&quot;, or at least an update to the UI? Probably [meta.se] contains more information." CreationDate="2022-11-05T22:54:27.443" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="27960" PostId="5499" Score="1" Text="@AsafKaragila, [agreed](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5499/facebook-and-twitter-links-disappear-ungracefully#comment27959_5499), in the sense that I am sure that this is nothing MO-specific.  But I thought I'd understood that one could report general bugs—and so I'd call it, in the sense that it is surely unintended behaviour, even if it is acceptable to the developers—on specific Meta sites, and I definitely feel more comfortable here than on the main Meta.  If I was wrong, then I have no objection to closing this question." CreationDate="2022-11-06T00:49:07.850" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27961" PostId="5499" Score="1" Text="I will just add a link to a previous feature request on this meta suggesting to remove the links to Twitter and Facebook (and - at the time - Google+): [Why do we link to Twitter, Facebook or Google+ below every question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3095)" CreationDate="2022-11-06T05:51:07.350" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27962" PostId="5499" Score="1" Text="Voting to close. If this is a bug at all, it is a bug in a *third-party ad-blocking software* that Stackexchange has no control over, and this is admitted in the question itself. Thus, the bug report is off-topic. If you find this behaviour to be a problem, you have to report it to developers of said ad-blocking software, not here." CreationDate="2022-11-07T07:56:12.430" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27963" PostId="5499" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, this behaviour is, if anything, an advantage, not a problem, for me, but I thought the developers might want to be aware of the interaction of their code with other commonly used code (even though that interaction is not their fault).  But, since @‍MartinSleziak points out that not only are they aware, but they have been for almost 9 years, I certainly don't have an objection to closing." CreationDate="2022-11-07T13:59:19.600" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27966" PostId="5499" Score="0" Text="Strange, I do not see the question (&quot;Know someone who can answer?&quot;). I am using uBlock Origin as an ad blocker but I still see the Twitter and Facebook links; this suggests that there is no bug here, just that you have probably configured your ad blocker to use a social media block list, in which case what you see is absolutely normal." CreationDate="2022-11-07T19:55:36.763" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27972" PostId="5499" Score="0" Text="@AlexM., [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/27966), I am not quite sure what you are saying that you see vs. what you don't.  If you are not seeing the text &quot;Know someone who can answer?&quot; appearing beneath a question, then it's because it relies on some conjunction of conditions being satisfied (perhaps just that it is on the main site and does not yet have any answers). \\ Re the cause, I know it is the ad blocker, but thought the developers might care to know about this interaction. But it seems that they do know, and don't want to make changes, so I am fine with closing." CreationDate="2022-11-07T21:37:04.217" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27976" PostId="5499" Score="0" Text="No, I was not saying that it is the ad blocker, it is probably one of the &quot;lists&quot; (or &quot;filters&quot;) that your ad blocker uses. If you do not know what these are, though, this is probably not the appropriate place for explanations. Alternatively, this could be from your browser being configured to prevent tracking, so it could have nothing to do with the ad blocker. This is why I am saying that this is not a bug, but the normal consequence of how privacy settings are configured in your browser (probably very aggressively)." CreationDate="2022-11-07T21:57:25.353" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="27977" PostId="5499" Score="2" Text="@AlexM., [yes](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/27976), I do know what all of these things are.  I guess you could say that it is not the ad blocker but the filter, and I did not mean to disagree; I was using &quot;ad blocker&quot; I suppose synecdochically (or maybe I mean metonymically; I never did properly understand the difference) to mean the ad blocker implementing the filter. Anyway, there is no question about *why* this is happening; I only didn't know if all relevant parties knew *that* it was happening.  But they do, so, again, I have no problem with closing." CreationDate="2022-11-07T22:03:08.430" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28021" PostId="5499" Score="1" Text="Since [@AlexM.](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5499/facebook-and-twitter-links-disappear-ungracefully#comment27966_5499) mentioned that the question &quot;Know someone who can answer?&quot; was not visible to him, here's a post on Meta SE asking under what conditions this is shown: [Under what conditions is a user invited to &quot;share a link to this question&quot;?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/258957)" CreationDate="2022-11-28T08:51:43.383" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="27964" PostId="5500" Score="2" Text="The question was asked by https://mathoverflow.net/users/4556/roland-bacher ." CreationDate="2022-11-07T14:27:39.023" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="27965" PostId="5500" Score="1" Text="I will just add that the deleted question (and, consequently, the OP) can be seen [by 10k+ users](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/moderator-tools). And anybody can see the question [in Google Cache](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://mathoverflow.net/questions/434028/colouring-gaussian-integers-according-to-a-numeral-system-based-on-powers-of-1) - at least for some short period of time." CreationDate="2022-11-07T14:51:18.270" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27979" PostId="5500" Score="4" Text="This whole exchange and situation makes me thankful that there are so many kind and thoughtful people here on MathOverflow, who want to learn and do mathematics. Thank you, Alison." CreationDate="2022-11-08T16:00:34.697" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="27967" PostId="5502" Score="2" Text="Some context: **(1)** the tag info for [tag:stochastic-differential-equations] includes: *&quot;Stochastic ordinary and partial differential equations&quot;* **(2)** at this date, the number of questions with given tag: [tag:ap.analysis-of-pdes]: 3795; [tag:ca.classical-analysis-and-odes]: 3141; [tag:differential-equations]: 1460; [tag:stochastic-differential-equations]: 472." CreationDate="2022-11-07T20:49:10.707" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27968" PostId="5502" Score="3" Text="The topics mentioned by the OP are clearly covered by the current tag [tag:stochastic-differential-equations]. Whether a split of the latter tag would be opportune and clearly defined would require more expertise on this topic and knowledge of the involved mathematical communities than I have." CreationDate="2022-11-07T20:50:47.027" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27969" PostId="5502" Score="0" Text="I agree with both." CreationDate="2022-11-07T20:54:49.810" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="27970" PostId="5502" Score="0" Text="It seems like a chicken-egg problem too. My thought is that by adding the SPDEs-tag it encourages more activity there too." CreationDate="2022-11-07T20:55:33.820" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="27975" PostId="5502" Score="1" Text="thank you,I fixed it." CreationDate="2022-11-07T21:48:50.913" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="27983" PostId="5502" Score="1" Text="Adding the tag ([meta-tag:discussion]) might improve chances that more people might notice this post and respond - only such questions appear in the [community bulletin](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-bulletin/info). (Additionally, the question needs to have score $\ge3$ and be at most 14 days old.) Tangentially to the issue raise here, I will point out that many questions about SDEs a re [posted without a top-level tag](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2022/11/8). (See also: [Why are MO tags formatted as they are?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1457))" CreationDate="2022-11-10T05:55:59.960" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27984" PostId="5502" Score="0" Text="thank you, I added the discussion tag." CreationDate="2022-11-10T06:54:04.517" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="27985" PostId="5502" Score="0" Text="I have cast an upvote - mainly to get it to score +3.&#xA;As you can see, it is now shown in the community bulletin: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2022/11/10&#xA;Let's hope that this helps to get more feedback from MO users.&#xA;&#xA;Since this is a proposal for a new tag, I guess it would be useful to mention what would be the name of the new tag. (Or what are possible alternatives, if they are several.)&#xA;And what the tag-excerpt and the tag-info would look like. (And whether there will be changes to the existing ..." CreationDate="2022-11-10T07:30:48.493" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27986" PostId="5502" Score="0" Text="... [tag-info for stochastic-differential-equations](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/stochastic-differential-equations/info).&#xA;As already mentioned, the tag currently includes SPDEs - after the creation of the new tag, will they be excluded from the old tag?)" CreationDate="2022-11-10T07:31:19.810" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27987" PostId="5502" Score="0" Text="Another natural question is what are the plans to do next if the tag is created. At least part of the questions tagged ([tag:stochastic-differential-equations]) will need retagging by the new tag.&#xA;Will somebody volunteer to do the manual retagging of older questions (or at least the more important ones)? Will other issues be address when retagging, too? (E.g., the missing top-level tags.)" CreationDate="2022-11-10T07:31:39.947" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27993" PostId="5502" Score="2" Text="Have you attempted to estimate, among the 470 existing questions, the proportion that concern stochastic PDEs? If their number is significant (say $&gt;100$), it would not be reasonable to remove the PDE aspect from the current tag." CreationDate="2022-11-11T14:30:41.680" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28005" PostId="5502" Score="0" Text="Since there are already only 68 watchers for the SDE tag, not sure there is a real need for an SPDE tag right now." CreationDate="2022-11-20T12:04:41.740" UserId="64449" />
  <row Id="27990" PostId="5503" Score="1" Text="You note that 'I see &quot;Unsupported use of \hfill&quot; while authoring the post, but, on rendering, it seems to become just the word &quot;\hfill&quot; in an `\fbox`'.  This is because during editing, MathJax's error messages are displayed, but for finished posts, if an expression contains a TeX error, the original TeX is shown in a box, since it is usually more helpful to a reader to get to see what the author was trying to say rather than the error message." CreationDate="2022-11-10T22:06:21.433" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="27992" PostId="5503" Score="0" Text="@DavideCervone, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5503/what-is-a-supported-use-of-hfill#comment27990_5503)!" CreationDate="2022-11-10T23:02:37.533" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="27978" PostId="5504" Score="1" Text="Probably this is related: https://github.com/mathjax/MathJax/issues/1700 ?" CreationDate="2022-11-08T10:50:02.307" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27988" PostId="5504" Score="0" Text="*Since MathJax only processes math-mode material, it never even sees the `\hfill` you used in the main text of your post* That `hfill` *is* in math-mode though; inline math mode to be precise." CreationDate="2022-11-10T19:21:20.890" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27989" PostId="5504" Score="2" Text="@FedericoPoloni, I was referring to the one mentioned as &quot;it doesn't work in ordinary text \hfill&quot; that was before the OP talked about using it in math mode." CreationDate="2022-11-10T22:03:35.107" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="27991" PostId="5504" Score="1" Text="Oh yes, sorry, you are right." CreationDate="2022-11-10T22:40:41.603" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="27994" PostId="5506" Score="0" Text="Here is a previous [conversation in chat about this tag](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/about-etcs-tag)." CreationDate="2022-11-15T08:55:58.153" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="27996" PostId="5506" Score="2" Text="This has now been edited, to the second option. I think 'category-of-sets' is essential, and the first one to me isn't precise enough." CreationDate="2022-11-15T10:15:26.823" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="27997" PostId="5506" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts thanks! I had completely forgotten the February 2020 discussion." CreationDate="2022-11-15T10:21:13.467" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="27998" PostId="5506" Score="0" Text="@YCor Martin reminded me!" CreationDate="2022-11-15T11:30:24.217" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28000" PostId="5508" Score="1" Text="I see it correctly (in Chrome under Linux)." CreationDate="2022-11-19T21:36:59.363" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28001" PostId="5508" Score="1" Text="Looks OK to me (also on Chrome on a Mac)." CreationDate="2022-11-19T21:37:12.247" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28002" PostId="5508" Score="1" Text="Hmm okay good to know, must be something wrong on my system." CreationDate="2022-11-19T21:37:43.987" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28004" PostId="5508" Score="1" Text="Try https://www.documate.org/resources/what-is-a-hard-refresh-how-to-do-a-hard-refresh-in-any-browser" CreationDate="2022-11-20T10:15:04.770" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28007" PostId="5508" Score="7" Text="I use Chrome an Mac, and I got the same problem." CreationDate="2022-11-20T12:49:28.213" UserId="54403" />
  <row Id="28008" PostId="5508" Score="2" Text="Have you tried [changing the math renderer](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/30859) you're currently using for MathJax. From what I read here, not all of them rely on local fonts: [What is the difference between the 3 math renderers?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/8881) (I do not know enough about MathJax to help - but maybe knowing whether this behaves the same for all renderers might help somebody to diagnose the problem.)&#xA;Unrelated: since the comments suggest that this might not actually be a bug, I have added the tag ([meta-tag:support])." CreationDate="2022-11-20T14:59:55.237" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28009" PostId="5508" Score="5" Text="Another user recently posted a question about a similar problem on [math.meta.se] - so it might be worth checking later whether some new advice appeared there: [Why using \mathcal command produce a square?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/35298)" CreationDate="2022-11-20T15:02:27.737" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28010" PostId="5508" Score="2" Text="Using Chrome on MacOS, I am able to reproduce this when the math renderer is set to HTML-CSS. If I change it to any other math renderer, then it is displayed correctly. I have not yet tested this on other browsers/devices." CreationDate="2022-11-21T08:33:57.500" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28053" PostId="5508" Score="0" Text="It is currently showing up correctly for me on Chromium even with the HTML-CSS renderer." CreationDate="2022-12-06T11:02:41.087" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28054" PostId="5508" Score="3" Text="The issue started for me after I updated to macOS Ventura. I left a [comment](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/35298/why-using-mathcal-command-produce-a-square#comment166036_35298) about this on Mathematics Meta. I don't know whether it's the same for the OP." CreationDate="2022-12-06T11:12:59.340" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28055" PostId="5508" Score="1" Text="@TheAmplitwist: yes, I think updating to Ventura had something to do with it for me as well." CreationDate="2022-12-06T13:22:40.407" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28100" PostId="5508" Score="3" Text="I am also on MacOS ventura, and am reporting the same issue on another Chromium-based browser (Vivaldi)." CreationDate="2022-12-12T18:49:01.403" UserId="490853" />
  <row Id="28642" PostId="5508" Score="2" Text="Several posts on [math.mate.se] now have an answer posted by Davide Cervone, see &quot;[Chrome doesn't display some symbols](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/35669)&quot; and other [questions linked there](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/35669)." CreationDate="2023-06-01T05:02:35.360" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28011" PostId="5511" Score="1" Text="Hmm Dmitri Piontkovski's profile image shows up as text, for me on Firefox on Android,  and in the image you give it's a cropped version of this you are seeing." CreationDate="2022-11-23T21:35:46.293" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28012" PostId="5511" Score="3" Text="It looks like the user's profile picture is not being loaded, so you're instead setting the alt text for the image — or, a cropped portion of it, since the alt text is probably &quot;*username*'s profile picture&quot;. Perhaps you're using an ad blocker, or perhaps Firefox is aggressively filtering out certain images?" CreationDate="2022-11-23T21:55:30.453" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28013" PostId="5511" Score="1" Text="The user's profile picture is being pulled in from Facebook (https://graph.facebook.com/1852493471481940/picture?type=large), so it could be that Firefox is not liking the 3rd party image link?" CreationDate="2022-11-24T02:41:56.907" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28014" PostId="5511" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist I am indeed using ABP but right now I switched it off completely and reloaded the page, with no avail. How to check Firefox about image filtering I don't know." CreationDate="2022-11-24T04:59:53.437" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="28015" PostId="5511" Score="0" Text="Aha there is indeed evidence about image filtering, let me add this to the question" CreationDate="2022-11-24T05:02:25.223" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="28347" PostId="5511" Score="1" Text="A related question on Meta SE: [Why is there &quot;\[username name\]s' user avatar&quot; on this user's avatar?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/386934)" CreationDate="2023-02-23T14:10:38.843" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28016" PostId="5512" Score="3" Text="A related feature request on Meta SE: [Off-site avatar images are a privacy risk](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/328966). Quoting from the post ([revision 7](https://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/328966/7)), &quot;The Facebook avatars are blocked by the default setting of the Firefox tracking protection, so anyone using Firefox with this enabled will see a slightly broken SE site. [Firefox is also enabling tracking protection by default now](https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/06/04/firefox-now-available-with-enhanced-tracking-protection-by-default), so this will affect a lot more people soon.&quot;" CreationDate="2022-11-24T11:54:52.250" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28017" PostId="5514" Score="2" Text="As mentioned in the question, I am using the HTML-CSS renderer with Safari 16.1.  The error does not persist with other renderers.  I am running macOS 12.6.1." CreationDate="2022-11-25T16:56:29.297" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28018" PostId="5514" Score="1" Text="For a previous instance of the problem, see https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/12179/442" CreationDate="2022-11-25T17:09:13.863" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28019" PostId="5514" Score="0" Text="[Thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5513/integral-sign-cut-off-in-safari/5514#comment28018_5514)!  I have edited your link into the question." CreationDate="2022-11-25T17:12:23.883" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28022" PostId="5516" Score="4" Text="I see that crossing 100k was mentioned among the milestones here: [History of MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/753#754). So maybe this could be added too - perhaps with a link to this post." CreationDate="2022-12-01T05:27:22.830" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28025" PostId="5516" Score="6" Text="I seem to recall MathOverflow has [deliberately disabled the display of reputation next to usernames](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5209/157594) not too long ago… how do posts like this square with the general desire to shun the ostentatiousness of Internet points?" CreationDate="2022-12-01T22:57:17.200" UserId="157594" />
  <row Id="28026" PostId="5516" Score="18" Text="@user3840170 Because I as an individual am not the same as MathOverflow the website/organisation, and I thought it worth celebrating, even though it's an arbitrary threshold. I did not do this in my official capacity as a mod, or in consultation with anyone else, and so take responsibility for this post." CreationDate="2022-12-02T00:55:46.423" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28027" PostId="5516" Score="21" Text="Thank you very much, David, for the question here. I am touched by the attention." CreationDate="2022-12-02T02:38:39.587" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28028" PostId="5516" Score="7" Text="@DavidRoberts Using the [meta-tag:featured] tag is a moderator privilege, which means you *are* doing this in an official capacity." CreationDate="2022-12-02T07:24:31.683" UserId="157594" />
  <row Id="28030" PostId="5516" Score="6" Text="&quot; the general desire to shun the ostentatiousness of Internet points?&quot; Why does general mean here? There is a poll somewhere? It seems to me that disabling the display of reputation was a decision taken by the moderators, but it does not reflect (as far as I know) a general consensus." CreationDate="2022-12-02T11:45:52.293" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="28032" PostId="5516" Score="6" Text="A decision was made by moderators to hide reputation points, for [the express purpose of stopping calling attention to them](/a/5211/157594). With this post calling attention to someone’s reputation, advertised using moderators’ privileges, this decision now comes off as hypocritical." CreationDate="2022-12-02T16:47:29.260" UserId="157594" />
  <row Id="28035" PostId="5516" Score="12" Text="@user3840170 it might, but for the fact I joined the mod team between the two events. And one can celebrate contributions of a prolific user while supporting the general de-emphasis of rep in day-to-day operations, making sure it isn't in everyone's view constantly." CreationDate="2022-12-02T22:28:22.143" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28076" PostId="5516" Score="4" Text="It would be more accurate to say that an _option_ to hide reputation on the main site has been provided; reputation isn't really disabled anywhere, and I don't think there's any contradiction in having a &quot;hide reputation&quot; feature and celebrating a prolific user's contributions through such a post." CreationDate="2022-12-09T09:40:57.433" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28224" PostId="5516" Score="0" Text="I don’t see where I can enable reputation display. It was disabled site-wide for everyone. And even if it were possible to re-enable, defaults still matter." CreationDate="2023-01-03T15:31:08.547" UserId="157594" />
  <row Id="28226" PostId="5516" Score="0" Text="@user3840170 you may see [my answer to &quot;Hiding reputation&quot;](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5413) for how to toggle the display of reputation points. Agreed that defaults matter, so my [earlier comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5516/we-have-our-first-user-with-more-than-200k-reputation#comment28076_5516) should have referred to the &quot;show reputation&quot; feature, not the &quot;hide reputation&quot; feature." CreationDate="2023-01-03T15:52:28.133" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28231" PostId="5516" Score="1" Text="In my opinion, the &quot;show reputation&quot; feature should be more clearly displayed." CreationDate="2023-01-07T10:17:10.270" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="28023" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="In addition, in this post Meta **1186** he edited an answer with information regarding a conference by a great mathematician and user of the site MathOverflow who passed away in recent months." CreationDate="2022-12-01T17:33:12.897" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28034" PostId="5517" Score="2" Text="What is the relevance of Mark Sapir's passing in 2022 to an answer that JDH posted on meta.MO in 2013?" CreationDate="2022-12-02T20:20:53.550" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28036" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure mere edits to a question or answer fit the bill of what I was envisaging." CreationDate="2022-12-03T02:37:19.160" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28039" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="Please @DavidRoberts the post with title *MathOverflow at the Joint Mathematics Meetings, Baltimore, January 2014* was edited (he is the original poster) by the professor. It fits in your **Question:** &quot;What is your favourite post by JDH? It could be an Answer or a Question.&quot;" CreationDate="2022-12-03T17:22:55.330" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28040" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="My mistake. But the comment https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5446/mathoverflow-conferences#comment27673_5446 ?" CreationDate="2022-12-03T20:37:31.480" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28045" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="I've added the comment as companion of my answer. My answer in this post of Meta is the post edited on Meta with identifier 1186 by the professor that is owner of this post. If you feel that my post doesn't fit with your idea about this thread of posts I can to delete this my answer @DavidRoberts . I think that the contributions of professors on Meta and the building of the MathOverflow's community are also important, but really this is your website (the website of professors of mathematics in Internet), I invited myself years ago. As you decide, many thanks." CreationDate="2022-12-04T17:55:07.400" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28049" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="I emphasize that I don't want bother to professors or users here, if my post gets more downvotes I'm going to delete. Isn't required a response of this message, I hope that you've a good week @DavidRoberts" CreationDate="2022-12-05T16:57:16.320" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28050" PostId="5517" Score="2" Text="Please consider not deleting this. I do think pointing out Joel's non-mathematical contributions here is worthwhile. The style of the answer, giving id numbers to refer to posts, is perhaps unusual for some." CreationDate="2022-12-05T19:55:10.937" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28059" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="If my comment isn't suitable in this comment thread I'm sorry, I apologize. My intention was remember the work of professor with simple words. Many thanks @YemonChoi and I wish you the best week." CreationDate="2022-12-07T16:46:58.113" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28069" PostId="5517" Score="3" Text="Thank you @user142929." CreationDate="2022-12-08T17:33:13.093" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28070" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="Thank you very much, this website is important thanks to professors as you @JoelDavidHamkins , PhD students and other mathematicians who dedicate their lives and time to edit mathematical content in their posts." CreationDate="2022-12-08T17:44:15.917" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28024" PostId="5518" Score="0" Text="Of the two options that I've mentioned, I'd probably be more in favor of *keeping* the synonym - but reversing the direction. But let's wait and see what others think about this." CreationDate="2022-12-01T18:58:13.043" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28064" PostId="5519" Score="2" Text="Thanks so much, Joshua, that is indeed my favorite kind of mathematical situation, where something simple leads one on to a logical labyrinth." CreationDate="2022-12-08T14:07:22.433" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28063" PostId="5520" Score="4" Text="I am so glad that my answer had such a welcome effect! Thank you so much for mentioning it." CreationDate="2022-12-08T14:05:42.737" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28037" PostId="5521" Score="1" Text="How about just `publications`?" CreationDate="2022-12-03T03:28:36.630" UserId="4600" />
  <row Id="28065" PostId="5522" Score="3" Text="I am so glad to have been helpful, Ben, and thank you so much for your kind words about my writing." CreationDate="2022-12-08T14:08:47.497" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28068" PostId="5523" Score="3" Text="Thank you so much for mentioning it." CreationDate="2022-12-08T14:13:18.590" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28046" PostId="5524" Score="3" Text="This was briefly mentioned [in MO editors' lounge](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2022/12/4). Together with the fact that &quot;[Frequently asked questions about tagging on MathOverflow](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1075)&quot; contains the question &quot;What is a meta tag, and why should I not use them?&quot; - but so far no corresponding answer. (Tangentially, the linked question has no top-level tag.)" CreationDate="2022-12-05T01:51:21.723" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28048" PostId="5525" Score="2" Text="Thanks! I see you have removed the newly created tag; maybe it would also make sense to remove the last two paragraph of the linked post (relative to that tag) and maybe also the first two comments (*&quot;I second the proposal for a 'procastination' tag. That's what I am doing at this very moment&quot;*, *Welcome to the club!&quot;*)?" CreationDate="2022-12-05T15:58:22.710" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28051" PostId="5525" Score="0" Text="@YCor, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5524/creation-of-procrastination-tag#comment28048_5525), what is the point of editing that out?  The suggestion was made and rejected, but there is no need to pretend it was never made.  Although the edit has now been [made](https://mathoverflow.net/revisions/435801/5), I think it would be better if it hadn't been.  If necessary, a comment could be left on that post with a link to this one, indicating that the discussion had been had and resolved against that tag." CreationDate="2022-12-06T00:32:44.743" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28052" PostId="5525" Score="5" Text="@LSpice The point is to concentrate on the question itself rather than a distraction (both in the question and in its comments). The &quot;procrastination&quot; stuff is better placed in this meta post." CreationDate="2022-12-06T08:43:20.293" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28077" PostId="5525" Score="5" Text="A procrastination tag seems a nice thing to me but let’s do it tomorrow" CreationDate="2022-12-09T19:26:18.913" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="28078" PostId="5525" Score="4" Text="@PietroMajer: I was going to make that joke tomorrow, yes." CreationDate="2022-12-09T19:26:55.627" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28067" PostId="5526" Score="3" Text="I am so glad that you have enjoyed my proof-writing book!" CreationDate="2022-12-08T14:12:26.500" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28056" PostId="5527" Score="7" Text="You could have a look on the main site among the questions tagged ([tag:terminology]) - to see whether some of them are similar to your question - and how they were received." CreationDate="2022-12-07T13:54:14.063" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28066" PostId="5528" Score="4" Text="What a fun project that was, Michael! Your question led directly to published work (by us and several other co-authors), as well as several senior theses projects by students at Oxford and elsewhere." CreationDate="2022-12-08T14:11:53.257" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28090" PostId="5530" Score="0" Text="I should mention a change in the use by the community of this tag: out of 353 current (=non-deleted) questions tagged [tag:tag-removed], only 17 have been created since 2014 and only 2 ([both closed](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=%5Btag-removed%5D+is%3Aquestion+created%3A2018..2022)) since 2018. The current use seems to have more or less converged to: only use this tag when removing tags without leaving other tags, and only when the question is highly off-topic and very likely to be deleted, and is no longer used to remove an irrelevant tag from an a priori reasonable question." CreationDate="2022-12-11T14:20:02.290" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28098" PostId="5530" Score="0" Text="@YCor Changing your search from &quot;created&quot; to &quot;lastactive&quot; gives [18 questions between 2018 and 2022](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=%5Btag-removed%5D+is%3Aquestion+lastactive%3A2018..2022) (compared to 2 created in that interval).&#xA;Of course, this only gives some information about usage by regular users. A moderator could in principle merge some tag into (tag-removed) today - and if that tag is only used on old questions, it would not influence only the old questions. &#xA;(At the same time, there would be sudden increase in number or questions tagged (tag-removed) - ..." CreationDate="2022-12-12T10:10:52.100" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28099" PostId="5530" Score="0" Text="... similarly as it [jumped up by cca 50 questions](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/62547813#62547813) when (calculus) was removed.)&#xA;From the [examples posted in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/most-recent-merging-into-tag-removed) it seems quite likely that the most recent merging by mods was removal of [tag:exact-solutions] - it influenced less than 10 questions and it happended in 2018 or later." CreationDate="2022-12-12T10:11:10.887" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28071" PostId="5531" Score="14" Text="This seems to be a recent topic on several other sites as well. For example this post on [meta.se]: [Ban ChatGPT network-wide](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/384396) (and the [questions linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/384396)). Or Meta Stack Overflow: [Temporary policy: ChatGPT is banned](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/421831) (and the [questions linked there](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/linked/421831))." CreationDate="2022-12-08T21:54:19.807" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28072" PostId="5531" Score="12" Text="The relevant user has been suspended and their posts deleted. Looking forward, it's worth having a discussion about our attitude toward this sort of thing in the future." CreationDate="2022-12-09T00:46:56.913" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="28073" PostId="5531" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: is the upshot from your links that there is already some automatic AI answer-detection applied to all stack exchange sites? Or is there anything more MO could do?" CreationDate="2022-12-09T03:58:27.907" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28074" PostId="5531" Score="6" Text="Also under discussion at math.stackexchange meta: [What is our policy on AI-generated content?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/35342/what-is-our-policy-on-ai-generated-content)" CreationDate="2022-12-09T05:52:12.563" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28075" PostId="5531" Score="4" Text="@SamHopkins I did not see anything about automatic detection. (Of course, I might have missed something. There was a lot on this topic recently.) There is this question with an answer from SO mod: [How can we enforce the ChatGPT ban?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/384457). They say that they do not want to share information about detection of such posts publicly, but they share some such info with other mods. (I do not know whether the MO mods are members of the moderators team, but they definitely have access to [Teachers' Lounge](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/teachers-lounge/info).)" CreationDate="2022-12-09T06:28:38.900" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28082" PostId="5531" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak: gotcha. I guess I was reading between the lines with that moderator statement about detection of AI-generated content." CreationDate="2022-12-10T16:26:51.393" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28086" PostId="5531" Score="2" Text="Also on [*The Register*](https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/06/internet_ai_gpt_ios/) - the online news site for the IT industry." CreationDate="2022-12-10T19:55:32.503" UserId="2733" />
  <row Id="28088" PostId="5531" Score="1" Text="Is [Are some Galois representations vector bundles?](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/436306/are-some-galois-representations-vector-bundles) another example?" CreationDate="2022-12-11T00:07:39.810" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28092" PostId="5531" Score="2" Text="@LSpice I guess the moderators have their own ways of knowing, but oddly the question you link to seems less accurate than the chatbot, e.g. mis-spelling 'cyclotomic' as 'cyclomatic'. It's possible that a chatbot was used to generate parts of the question but not all of it, although that seems less likely than either 'none' or 'all'" CreationDate="2022-12-11T15:48:07.907" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28095" PostId="5531" Score="4" Text="What did their answers say before they were deleted?" CreationDate="2022-12-12T01:48:43.693" UserId="245836" />
  <row Id="28101" PostId="5531" Score="0" Text="this problem could be resolved by watermarking GPT output, as discussed in https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6823" CreationDate="2022-12-12T21:22:27.787" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="28105" PostId="5531" Score="2" Text="@TymaGaidash You can still see the deleted answers although unfortunately you need a relatively high reputation threshold (10k) to do this. We did consider whether the answers should not be deleted (for posterity's sake) but ultimately decided that wouldn't be fair to the individual questioners, as it would distract from their actual questions. But Martin Brandenburg's [discussion below](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5533/2362) of one of the answers is quite typical, I think. You can also experiment for yourself if you're curious (but please don't post this stuff as answers here)." CreationDate="2022-12-13T19:40:12.343" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="28139" PostId="5531" Score="0" Text="One of the questions was mine, and I read the answer and found it acceptable (it was actually a request for references). How did you figure out it was GPT? And how did you understand it in general?" CreationDate="2022-12-22T12:49:09.700" UserId="169282" />
  <row Id="28142" PostId="5531" Score="2" Text="@MarsaultChabat: All three “references” provided in the “answer” were entirely fictional: papers with such names simply do not exist.  How exactly do you find this acceptable?" CreationDate="2022-12-22T17:44:15.857" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="28143" PostId="5531" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov just because I haven't looked at the references. StackExchange is based on a system that allows us to trust people who are authorized to write an answer, so if anyone gives me references, I assume that **these are** indeed references..." CreationDate="2022-12-22T17:53:26.370" UserId="169282" />
  <row Id="28144" PostId="5531" Score="0" Text="@DmitriPavlov So I didn't know those were fake references (the answer was canceled very quickly). That's why I was asking how did you understand. Anyway, now I understand." CreationDate="2022-12-22T18:00:49.850" UserId="169282" />
  <row Id="28160" PostId="5531" Score="2" Text="Very strange. My experience with it shows clearly that it is nowhere near the level of generating any sensible mathematics. For example, it repeats the same logical error again and again no matter how many times I tell it that it is an error, this kind of thing." CreationDate="2022-12-26T07:31:45.253" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="28234" PostId="5531" Score="3" Text="Unfortunately, ChatGPT answers get posted more and more on MO ... The most recent example is https://mathoverflow.net/users/497569/amit-luthra who deleted all of this &quot;answers&quot; right after I called him out. A few weeks ago something similar happened. I suspect a huge dark figure." CreationDate="2023-01-09T18:25:36.220" UserId="2841" />
  <row Id="28079" PostId="5533" Score="29" Text="I have so far been unable to get ChatGPT to correctly prove $\operatorname{Tr}(AB) = \operatorname{Tr}(BA)$, whether or not I use LaTeX or add suggestive extra questions. It either forgets about non-diagonal entries, or turns an $a_{i,j}$ into $a_{i,i}$ somewhere. When I tell it about its errors, it &quot;recognizes&quot; them, sometimes elaborating on a counterexample I provide, but then it repeats the same errors again. I have a hunch that it treats lexically similar &quot;words&quot; as semantically similar, which dooms it to uselessness in mathematics." CreationDate="2022-12-10T06:10:05.740" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="28080" PostId="5533" Score="12" Text="An alternative conclusion is that rhetoric and poetry are significantly easier than (even quite straightforward) mathematics. Flattering, but not very convincing. I'm skeptical about general AI, but the prospect of having an AI help out with mathematical proofs actually sounds quite plausible to me!" CreationDate="2022-12-10T06:13:03.440" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="28081" PostId="5533" Score="12" Text="@darijgrinberg: I disagree with your last statement: natural language is very tolerant to local ambiguity (and even local falseness), whereas the mathematical one is not (and, in fact, the absence of precision at every point of a statement can even lead to catastrophic results). The problem is that the AI methods developed lately are insensitive to details, and tend to capture only the &quot;general shape of a thing&quot;, while these subtle and minute details that are discarded by AI tend to form most of the modern mathematical thinking." CreationDate="2022-12-10T12:47:00.760" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28083" PostId="5533" Score="13" Text="@darijgrinberg &quot; I have a hunch that it treats lexically similar &quot;words&quot; as semantically similar&quot; - by _complete coincidence_ reading this made me think of marking HW and some referee work I should be doing." CreationDate="2022-12-10T16:27:29.713" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28084" PostId="5533" Score="1" Text="@AlexM.: Not sure what statement of mine you're referring to, as I think we are agreeing. What I mean is that AI for proofs seems both realistic and useful to me, but ChatGPT is definitely not it. The best part about proofs is that you can use automated reinforcement learning, which is likely much faster than anything that relies on human feedback. But that was clearly not the optimization target for ChatGPT." CreationDate="2022-12-10T17:09:24.340" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="28089" PostId="5533" Score="9" Text="As I remarked in CV too, this is [Mathgen](https://thatsmathematics.com/mathgen/) on steroids." CreationDate="2022-12-11T08:53:37.497" UserId="489645" />
  <row Id="28094" PostId="5533" Score="4" Text="Somebody pointed out to me that ChatGPT seems to know something about what it means to prove things in [Lean](https://leanprover.github.io/). I haven't explored this too much, but you can ask it to give a proof of XYZ in Lean, and it will give you actual Lean code (which may or may not actually work)." CreationDate="2022-12-11T19:55:22.367" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="28097" PostId="5533" Score="2" Text="@TimCampion Sounds like ChatGPT is cheating off of Lean's test." CreationDate="2022-12-12T06:56:40.623" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="28102" PostId="5533" Score="0" Text="@darijgrinberg I'm very far from knowing how GPT/ChatGPT work, but I've heard that such AI systems do have finite memory (as in Markov chains)." CreationDate="2022-12-13T14:02:50.420" UserId="109354" />
  <row Id="28120" PostId="5533" Score="4" Text="I have failed to get a sensible answer when I ask it to two-color a cycle graph of five vertices. It happily reports the requirements of two-coloring (adjacent vertices have different colors). Then it happily suggests colorings like red,blue,red,blue,red. When I point out that the first and last are now red, it agrees it is incorrect, and offers another wrong one, ad infinitum. All in excellent English. So already the five-vertex cycle graph is something over the horizon of its inference capabilities." CreationDate="2022-12-14T14:00:23.870" UserId="171662" />
  <row Id="28122" PostId="5533" Score="2" Text="I had quite a lot of conversations with ChatGPT today feeding it some unsolved problems, and some solved ones from here https://www.math.utah.edu/~bestvina/eprints/questions-updated.pdf  and having a look at the answers. It is quite interesting but mostly non-nonsensical. However interestingly enough, when given an example and then asking ChatGPT to break it down to the definitions and pointing out the errors, it seems to be capable of adapting the answer. (it won't be stored for the next user though)." CreationDate="2022-12-15T21:37:57.440" UserId="54495" />
  <row Id="28126" PostId="5533" Score="1" Text="@Loreno, nonsensical or non-nonsensical?" CreationDate="2022-12-17T18:23:26.950" UserId="171662" />
  <row Id="28127" PostId="5533" Score="2" Text="nonsensical of course" CreationDate="2022-12-17T20:27:11.020" UserId="54495" />
  <row Id="28085" PostId="5534" Score="10" Text="Not to be facile or short-sighted, but, since one of the appeals of utilities like ChatGPT is that *anyone* can use them, what utility could ChatGPT-generated answers, even if sensical, *ever* add?  Rather than my asking a question and having someone else feed it to a bot for an answer, I could just do that myself." CreationDate="2022-12-10T18:42:23.743" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28087" PostId="5534" Score="9" Text="@LSpice So if ChatGPT became sufficiently advanced, you could imagine adding an automatic answer from ChatGPT that people could vote on as if it were a regular user." CreationDate="2022-12-10T20:10:33.023" UserId="36148" />
  <row Id="28093" PostId="5534" Score="10" Text="@AbhimanyuPallaviSudhir So basically [this XKCD](https://xkcd.com/810/)?" CreationDate="2022-12-11T16:37:05.270" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28096" PostId="5534" Score="3" Text="@AbhimanyuPallaviSudhir My instinctive thought is that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law will apply" CreationDate="2022-12-12T05:03:22.220" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28115" PostId="5534" Score="5" Text="@LSpice One can imagine a future in which the competent AIs typically charge for their services, but under certain circumstances provide some free services. Sort of like, I dunno, human mathematicians get paid a salary, yet sometimes post answers on MO for free." CreationDate="2022-12-13T21:43:04.667" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28117" PostId="5534" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow, [aha](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5531/chatgpt-strikes-mathoverflow/5534#comment28115_5534), so we need to focus on training AI not to understand mathematics better, but to enjoy the reputation and [procrastination](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5524/creation-of-procrastination-tag) boost as humans do. " CreationDate="2022-12-14T02:13:32.737" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28132" PostId="5534" Score="6" Text="@LSpice: Regarding your first question, writing good prompts/queries for such AI’s is itself a non-trivial skill — just like e.g. using Google well.  (Indeed, I find it useful to think of GPT not as “a very stupid essay-writer”, but as “a rather clever search engine”.)  I can imagine, some years down the line, a situation where mathematician A tries their question on a GPT-like AI, doesn’t get a good answer, so posts the question here, but then person B (who knows the AI better) is able to rewrite the question into a form which gets a good answer from the AI." CreationDate="2022-12-19T14:31:31.317" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="28437" PostId="5534" Score="0" Text="One more data point for what it's worth:  I have just submitted to ChatGPT a nine-question exam consisting entirely of questions taken from recent exams in my sophomore-level intermediate economics class.  Every single one of the answers was pure gibberish, though they all appeared at first glance like they might be meaningful.  A student who turned in this exam would have earned a score of zero.  Obviously math and economics are different subjects, but these are problems with unambiguous right and wrong answers, and so far more like math than they are like (say) history or literature." CreationDate="2023-04-04T04:32:19.457" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="28129" PostId="5537" Score="0" Text="Re: *It would be nice it StackExchange upgraded their version of MathJax.* A moderator marked this feature request on [math.meta.se] as (status-review): [MathJax out of date](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/35316). At the same time, some people suggested in the comments that it might be worth waiting for v4 - since it is supposed to come soon." CreationDate="2022-12-19T12:46:15.177" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28130" PostId="5537" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, one of the reasons that SE hasn't upgraded is that v3 didn't include the automatic line breaking support.  That is included in v4, so waiting for that is reasonable (should be early 2023).  But the v3/v4 API is different from the v2 API, and that will require changes to the SE code that calls MathJax, and that may take time and testing, so I would recommend starting the process now with v3 (the v4 API is the same as v3), so that when v4 is out, SE will be ready to go." CreationDate="2022-12-19T13:22:59.237" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="28131" PostId="5537" Score="0" Text="@DavideCervone Would you consider posting the stuff you've mentioned in this comment as an answer to the linked thread on [math.meta.se]? (Perhaps it could be useful if more people see this information.)" CreationDate="2022-12-19T13:26:03.150" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28138" PostId="5537" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, I have made a post there, as you requested." CreationDate="2022-12-21T23:10:14.313" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="28103" PostId="5539" Score="7" Text="It is better to not edit spam posts at all, and just flag them as spam (see [Should spam posts be edited?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/110030) on Meta SE)." CreationDate="2022-12-13T14:25:10.843" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28104" PostId="5539" Score="2" Text="Thanks for bringing this up here. I was the original commenter. I don't have much of a presence on this particular site; I basically only flag spam." CreationDate="2022-12-13T16:31:51.920" UserId="100291" />
  <row Id="28158" PostId="5539" Score="1" Text="Re: *spam usually disappears quite quickly.* That all depends on your definition of &quot;quickly&quot;. As [mentioned in the MO chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2022/12/16), median seems to be around 25 minutes on main and 50 minutes on meta." CreationDate="2022-12-25T09:56:58.427" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28162" PostId="5539" Score="0" Text="That surprises me, I think the average that I have observed is much less." CreationDate="2022-12-26T10:23:56.710" UserId="10366" />
  <row Id="28106" PostId="5542" Score="3" Text="If an answer needs editing 35 times, one wonders how to know that last edit really was the last one. Ideally the table is hosted elsewhere (GitHub? A blog?) and referred to here if it is continually being edited. MO is not really for such material, but for a focussed Q&amp;A format" CreationDate="2022-12-13T20:24:39.050" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28107" PostId="5542" Score="1" Text="Links can be a solution, and while we all use links for convenience there is a general consensus in stackexchange &quot;try not to use links&quot;/&quot;try have answer contain all their relevant information&quot;. I like the idea of a programatic muting a lot since it seems like an easy way for two groups of people to both be content." CreationDate="2022-12-13T20:26:25.617" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="28108" PostId="5542" Score="1" Text="Also, just because something is answered doesn't mean the answer cannot be improved. You maybe dont want a FINAL edit. If the question asked &quot;what is the list of superconductors above 100K&quot; then an answerer might want to make that into a continuously updating list as new superconductors get discovered etc... in a math specific context this might be &quot;how many primes satisfying obscure property X are there&quot; and someone might answer only prime &quot;P. but a year later &quot;P, Q&quot;, and then &quot;P, Q, R&quot; .... as new results get discovered." CreationDate="2022-12-13T20:28:09.860" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="28109" PostId="5542" Score="0" Text="Still neither of those apply to this case where the asker was updating over a much shorter span of time. I still think that a good thing happened when anixx made those 35 edits but it happened in a way which annoyed of bunch of people (because of that repeated refresh to the home page). So I want to enable users like anixx to do that without bothering people." CreationDate="2022-12-13T20:29:36.963" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="28110" PostId="5542" Score="2" Text="If SE were to allow this, how would one prevent abuse of the system? And your example about &quot;a year later...&quot; seems to indicate sporadic updates. This is not really the case here, rather dozens of edits in the space of a coupleof months. And there's also a difference between a user with continual good contributions and respect in the community, and, I'm sorry to say, someone who has required extensive patience." CreationDate="2022-12-13T20:34:42.527" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28111" PostId="5542" Score="1" Text="What would constitute abuse exactly here? Suppose we have the muting in place on updates to the answer. Then either 1. the answer has useful content and keeps getting updated without bothering anyone or 2. the answer doesn't have useful content and starts attracting downvotes (and if the user accumulates enough of this then they are booted off the site)." CreationDate="2022-12-13T20:37:01.940" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="28112" PostId="5542" Score="2" Text="This is the internet, I hope you can imagine for yourself what might be done on obscure pages that don't get periodic sunlight that the edit-&gt;front page process gives. This mechanism you want is not something no one has asked about before, and it's not an MO-level decision." CreationDate="2022-12-13T20:41:58.417" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28113" PostId="5542" Score="1" Text="I can refine my proposal: if a page is obscure and getting one edit out of the bloom it'll go to the front page as we normally are used to. If a page is obscure and suddenly gets an influx of edits, for some period of time T it will stop getting bumped to the front page no matter how many edits are made to that answer (it already got one when the influx started). Once that period of time T passes it gets another &quot;front-page-opportunity&quot; from that answer. So we aren't preventing sunlight, we are just trying to reduce noise. You can call this a &quot;refresh&quot;-refractory-period." CreationDate="2022-12-13T20:47:50.953" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="28114" PostId="5542" Score="2" Text="Somewhat similar suggestions seem to reappear regularly. Feature request by a former moderator: [Minor edits, subject to review](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/192). And a similar feature request on [meta.se]: [Allow non-bumping minor edits, but review them on /review](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/122567)." CreationDate="2022-12-13T21:16:00.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28116" PostId="5542" Score="5" Text="I used to say, in the old days, &quot;MathOverflow is not a blog&quot; and I still believe that." CreationDate="2022-12-14T02:04:13.570" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28118" PostId="5542" Score="1" Text="@YemonChoi, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28116), I definitely agree that frequently updated answers are often a symptom of blog-giness, and, to the negligible extent to which my opinion matters, I do not support this particular proposal (besides which, it having been, as @‍MartinSleziak has [indicated](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28114), so often proposed before, it seems unlikely that this will be the time it is implemented)—but the very specific use case here seems to be decidedly un-blog-gy, and perhaps more like software maintenance." CreationDate="2022-12-14T02:16:34.990" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28119" PostId="5542" Score="1" Text="Sometimes I do this:  I write an answer.  I delete it immediately.  Then I edit it (again and again, as much as I want).  Finally, when it is ready, I undelete it." CreationDate="2022-12-14T10:51:08.420" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28121" PostId="5542" Score="3" Text="@GeraldEdgar those edits will still bump the post to the frontpage (as per the [FAQ](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/48579) on bumping on Meta SE)." CreationDate="2022-12-14T14:31:21.747" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28123" PostId="5542" Score="0" Text="A compromise to @GeraldEdgar's [solution](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28119), based on @‍TheAmplitwist's [information](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28121)—which I didn't know; thank you!—is to not save each edit. (I think SE uses local storage to preserve un-saved edits to a post; if I draft an answer but don't post it, then it's usually still there when I re-visit.) Or, of course, an easier approach would be not to post the answer at all, and only keep a local copy, which you can edit with abandon. [Also relevant](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/1601)?" CreationDate="2022-12-15T22:07:31.183" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28124" PostId="5543" Score="1" Text="Before asking your question -- did you check Wikipedia? -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_function_(number_theory)" CreationDate="2022-12-16T08:54:49.370" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28125" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="@StefanKohl I've read through it many times. It only contains generating functions, recurrence relations and approximation functions, as well as some congruences and some stuff about strict partitions. There is no exact formula in there, even though there exists one, courtesy of Rademacher. However, I think Rademacher's formula is not closed-form, but I am pretty sure mine is. But that then seems WAY too unrealistic to be true, so I'm wondering if there something about my formula that makes it less impressive or something." CreationDate="2022-12-16T14:45:45.620" UserId="493854" />
  <row Id="28128" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="I suggest having a look at https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~wilf/PIMS/PIMSLectures.pdf especially page 14" CreationDate="2022-12-19T06:13:44.030" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28137" PostId="5543" Score="1" Text="My previous remark was meant to dispute the claim that Rademacher's formula is not closed form. I suppose the link I gave is not relevant to the current form of the question. In any event, if no one is giving you the sort of answer you want, and several users are telling you that they need to know what your method is before they can answer your question, it seems to me to be quite wrong-headed to insist that these users are wrong." CreationDate="2022-12-20T23:33:43.360" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28140" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="@GerryMyerson How is it not closed form? It is an infinite sum." CreationDate="2022-12-22T15:11:30.370" UserId="493854" />
  <row Id="28141" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="Please, go to the link that I gave you a few days ago, it should clear up your confusion." CreationDate="2022-12-22T16:02:24.190" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28216" PostId="5545" Score="0" Text="Just to make sure to give credit where it's due (though I am sure that, to someone with your expertise, it's fairly obvious, I suspect many people are in my shoes, in the sense of finding it surprising and unexpected behaviour), I note that @TheAmplitwist also [mentioned](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5542/can-a-question-be-muted-from-showing-up-to-the-front-of-the-page-so-answers-can#comment28121_5542) the fact that editing deleted answers bumps the question." CreationDate="2022-12-30T21:15:58.747" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28133" PostId="5546" Score="1" Text="There is an older post [about matrix-theory and matrix-analysis](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/862/help-cleanup-tags/1411#1411)." CreationDate="2022-12-20T01:49:54.450" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28136" PostId="5546" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak thanks. I considered [tag:matrix-analysis] as one of the more specialized tags — it has an obvious semantic nuance with [tag:matrix-theory]." CreationDate="2022-12-20T12:53:21.693" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28145" PostId="5549" Score="0" Text="iirc the official policy is to ignore it until they do something bad like start posting spam." CreationDate="2022-12-24T16:13:41.177" UserId="484075" />
  <row Id="28146" PostId="5549" Score="0" Text="See [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4892/ability-to-flag-user-accounts-as-spam?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1)." CreationDate="2022-12-24T16:32:27.407" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="28148" PostId="5549" Score="0" Text="Also related: &quot;[Flagging spam user](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3487/96928)&quot;, but that's substantially older." CreationDate="2022-12-24T16:42:09.280" UserId="96928" />
  <row Id="28149" PostId="5549" Score="0" Text="&quot;[I have found 16,809 similar, inappropriate(?) user profiles. There are more. Now what?](//meta.stackoverflow.com/q/421453/3773011)&quot; is a fairly similar discussion on Meta Stack Overflow that has some additional background information (one of the things covered is that moderators are limited in their effectiveness). However, other than [the company's position of &quot;ignore it&quot;](//meta.stackexchange.com/a/297999/271271), it's really left to each individual site, and the site's moderators (dealing with profile spam may be a substantial workload for them), to establish their own policies." CreationDate="2022-12-24T16:47:45.523" UserId="96928" />
  <row Id="28150" PostId="5549" Score="0" Text="Another MSE post: &quot;[Spam Profiles are getting my goat. Could we have better tools for mods to deal with profile spam?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/303746/271271)&quot; with multiple suggestions as to how to, potentially, change profile display behavior in order to make profile spammers less effective/less annoying." CreationDate="2022-12-24T16:52:35.007" UserId="96928" />
  <row Id="28151" PostId="5549" Score="0" Text="@Makyen Wow, I just looked at the recent recipients of the &quot;Autobiographer&quot; badge, and I had no idea what a high proportion of MO users are just spam accounts. Weirdly, six different user accounts created in the past couple days have user names that literally end with the word &quot;spam&quot;. Do you know what's behind that? Does MO have some automated system for adding the word &quot;spam&quot; to the end of the user names of suspected spam accounts?" CreationDate="2022-12-24T17:00:25.380" UserId="95043" />
  <row Id="28152" PostId="5549" Score="1" Text="@tparker Yes, there's a *lot*. There's no automated process. The &quot;spam&quot; and &quot;spammer&quot; in the user's username probably means a moderator on some other SE site identified the account as a spammer (probably profile spammer), at least on their site, changed the account name, pushed the changes to all other sites on the network (except the main SE site, which doesn't get updated when a mod or user does that), and then destroyed the spammer's profile on their site. Opinions differ substantially as to if moderators should make such changes to the profile, so it definitely doesn't happen universally." CreationDate="2022-12-24T17:06:39.493" UserId="96928" />
  <row Id="28157" PostId="5549" Score="0" Text="Since you've mentioned the Autobiographer badge: [Filtering out the Autobiographer badge from &quot;Recent Badges&quot;](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4993)." CreationDate="2022-12-25T07:23:45.790" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28153" PostId="5550" Score="10" Text="Yes, please. -- If you see such post, then please flag it and mention your suspicion." CreationDate="2022-12-24T17:08:52.870" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28154" PostId="5550" Score="1" Text="Why flag ChatGPT posts (a type of plagiarism) but not other posts plagiarized (by memory) from standard textbooks?  Yes, I would like to a ChatGPT post so identified by the one posting it.  And similarly I would like proofs paraphrased from textbooks to have their source identified, even if it is just &quot;I saw this back in graduate school&quot;." CreationDate="2022-12-24T21:24:02.620" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28155" PostId="5550" Score="16" Text="@GeraldEdgar I thought the main problem with the ChatGPT posts was not so much plagiarism as that they are largely gibberish. OTOH, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by &quot;plagiarized (by memory)&quot;. It sounds really broad and easily misapplied." CreationDate="2022-12-25T03:19:33.630" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="28156" PostId="5550" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble Of course gibberish should be flagged however it was written." CreationDate="2022-12-25T06:47:57.983" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28159" PostId="5550" Score="4" Text="I too don't see here any qualitative difference between ChatGPT gibberish and any other kind of gibberish. From my experience, it is out of the question that ChatGPT could be capable of disguising it in any way here. Maybe not in mathematics, maybe in near future, but not here and now. Until then, I don't think any special measures will be needed. Yes, I am aware that two of its answers have been accepted. I still do not see any qualitative difference from &quot;ordinary&quot; such situations, which also can happen." CreationDate="2022-12-26T07:28:28.950" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="28200" PostId="5550" Score="1" Text="Gerald Edgar's comment about plagiarism seems to envisage a situation in which ChatGPT's answer is so good that it's unethical to pass yourself off as being as mathematically competent as ChatGPT, when you aren't. That could be an issue in [poetry or art competitions](https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6823) but it's not an issue on MathOverflow (yet!)." CreationDate="2022-12-29T15:14:58.103" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28207" PostId="5550" Score="2" Text="Has there ever been a post (answer or question) that is **correct** and reasonably concise but still has a ChatGPT feeling to it...?" CreationDate="2022-12-30T08:21:43.560" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="28225" PostId="5550" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow The upside would be that if one were to get sued, just consult the (surely upcoming) LawyerGPT" CreationDate="2023-01-03T15:39:21.537" UserId="171208" />
  <row Id="28871" PostId="5551" Score="0" Text="Thanks to [Glorfindel's effort](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/388726/165455) &#xA; and [this work](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/391417/165455), we've corrected the bulk of these issues (e.g. [this search](https://mathoverflow.net/search?tab=active&amp;q=url%3a%22%2Ai.imgur.com%2A%22) has gone from 111 to 7)." CreationDate="2023-07-20T11:48:01.140" UserId="500422" />
  <row Id="28163" PostId="5552" Score="3" Text="These feature requests aren't the same, but they seem to be directed towards possibility to hide some part of text until needed: [Could we please have a clickable arrow to expand hidden content?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/104008) and [Collapsible Sections/Spoilers](https://gaming.meta.stackexchange.com/q/15432)." CreationDate="2022-12-26T13:31:37.540" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28164" PostId="5552" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes, it seems that what is mentioned there could exactly be done with drop-down menus." CreationDate="2022-12-26T14:19:04.193" UserId="2480" />
  <row Id="28165" PostId="5552" Score="0" Text="I remember an old MO question where answers to some quiz questions where hidden by using rot12 cypher, for lack of a hidden list option." CreationDate="2022-12-26T14:19:56.703" UserId="2480" />
  <row Id="28214" PostId="5552" Score="1" Text="@YaakovBaruch, the ROT12 cipher has the advantage that you need only use it again 12 times to decode. " CreationDate="2022-12-30T21:10:11.583" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28192" PostId="5553" Score="4" Text="A small clarification: Should we flag them as “Very low quality” or “Needs moderator attention”, or are both OK?  (Personally I feel more comfortable using “very low quality”, since usually the fact it’s AI-based is just conjectural, whereas the fact it’s very low-quality is a judgement I’m much more confident in making.)" CreationDate="2022-12-28T17:34:08.573" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="28195" PostId="5553" Score="1" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine Both are okay." CreationDate="2022-12-28T19:18:14.477" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="28199" PostId="5553" Score="1" Text="Choosing &quot;needs moderator attention&quot; does not commit you to a declaration that the post is AI-generated." CreationDate="2022-12-29T15:06:51.760" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28205" PostId="5553" Score="2" Text="Does the flag remain even if the poster deletes their post? (I'm thinking of https://mathoverflow.net/a/437506/8133. Evidence for AI: language patterns, bizarre elementary mistake, citation to texts that don't exist, and the user has been banned at MSE for the same thing(!).)" CreationDate="2022-12-30T06:31:26.577" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="28177" PostId="5554" Score="3" Text="Meanwhile, I've updated my profile picture (after many years) to include my own personal hat." CreationDate="2022-12-28T02:49:25.860" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28179" PostId="5554" Score="3" Text="Apart from &quot;[Winter Bash on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2053)&quot; (2014, linked in the question) there was also this discussion in 2016: [How to wear my Winter bash hat](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3066). In any case, this is all moot for this season. But it is probably good that the MO users have a place where to discuss how they would view something like this in the future." CreationDate="2022-12-28T08:04:46.797" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28202" PostId="5554" Score="3" Text="Do you think anyone would quit MO over not being able to participate in the gimmick-hat event? Would anyone _join_ MO because of the additional festivities of the same, or perhaps stay when they would have otherwise left because of the generally more professional atmosphere? Conversely, would someone (i.e. a serious, valuable contributor) leave because of the hat frivolity? I can imagine the last one happening, but not the others. Perhaps it's a failure of imagination on my part." CreationDate="2022-12-30T00:56:28.137" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28203" PostId="5554" Score="4" Text="@DavidRoberts In my view, those are not the right questions. As I see it, the gamification aspects of the site, including reputation score and badges, are vital for encouraging user engagement and participation. Have some users left because of a distaste for the competitive nature of rep? Yes, some quite loudly. But has the system overall motivated and encouraged many thousands of mathematicians to post math questions and answers? Yes, again. Gamification works. I think the moderation team is mistaken to downplay this very important social aspect of MathOverflow." CreationDate="2022-12-30T01:25:52.143" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28204" PostId="5554" Score="5" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins I can only give my thoughts based on your post. I put it as a comment for a reason, rather than an answer. The effect of having hats might be a very subtle and unmeasurable positive thing. But I'd rather have an answer below from someone that give additional positive support to hats, explaining their reasoning. Voting is a blunt instrument here, at best drive-by support for either side." CreationDate="2022-12-30T01:34:48.177" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28209" PostId="5554" Score="6" Text="Also Christmas parties in Math. Departments are frivolous events, but It would seem strange to me that a &quot;serious, valuable&quot; mathematician leaves their job because of them. People who do not like parties, simply do not participate to them." CreationDate="2022-12-30T10:20:52.543" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="28210" PostId="5554" Score="4" Text="That said, actually I do not really care about hats. But I find bizarre that a discussion about something so frivolous took such a somehow dramatic turn." CreationDate="2022-12-30T10:24:46.433" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="28220" PostId="5554" Score="6" Text="I'd like to note that the moderator team has been in contact with Community Management, and there is **no opt-in only** possibility as of now, and apparently it wouldn't be simple thing to enable. (But if we had that, I can't see why we wouldn't go that way.)" CreationDate="2023-01-01T21:05:18.850" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="28221" PostId="5554" Score="1" Text="Ah, that differs from what I had read on the other discussion threads. That's too bad." CreationDate="2023-01-01T22:34:45.930" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28223" PostId="5554" Score="3" Text="I hope I am not the only one that enjoys the fact that @JoelDavidHamkins 's new profile picture has a hat :-)" CreationDate="2023-01-02T22:31:23.257" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="28166" PostId="5555" Score="17" Text="In my view, the gamification aspects of MathOverflow are a critically important reason for its success—it would fail without them—and we make a mistake to downplay or sublimate those aspects. The fun gamifying elements of MO are a genious bit of social engineering that have resulted in this remarkable forum." CreationDate="2022-12-27T15:46:42.043" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28167" PostId="5555" Score="12" Text="Joel, but that's like saying that salt is a critically important reason for pasta being delicious. You're not wrong. But adding too much is an easy way to destroy any recipe." CreationDate="2022-12-27T15:54:20.043" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28169" PostId="5555" Score="10" Text="No offence, Joel, but not everyone is in a festive mood at the end of the year, and not everyone needs to have a reminder about how great everyone else is feeling with their festivities." CreationDate="2022-12-27T15:59:35.030" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28171" PostId="5555" Score="7" Text="The comments took a darker turn than I expected, but I wouldn't want to suggest that not being festive when societally expected makes one a grinch. I think the comments have clearly pointed out that too much and too little gamification can both be bad, and that, without gamification, MO might not have thrived.  But MO *is* thriving, so I think an argument that it has too little gamification is not immediately plausible—and it has got here by blazing its own way, different from the rest of the SE network, and I am happy to continue to believe in its idiosyncratic approach." CreationDate="2022-12-27T17:01:52.870" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28174" PostId="5555" Score="5" Text="I accidentally downvoted this out of haste, thinking this was the spot to upvote or downvote on hats. Well, now you know where I stand on hats." CreationDate="2022-12-27T18:36:05.363" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="28175" PostId="5555" Score="13" Text="@ToddTrimble Why would you stand on a hat?" CreationDate="2022-12-27T18:45:34.977" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28176" PostId="5555" Score="3" Text="@Yemon, https://youtu.be/WtJNo9aQkQ8" CreationDate="2022-12-27T19:49:41.697" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28178" PostId="5555" Score="3" Text="As someone who initially sided with Joel on reading this post, I think you made some excellent points. We seem to be tending towards a more ‘lighthearted’ MO as of late, which I think behooves the site greatly, but (as someone who has no social media accounts [arguably outside researchgate]) I definitely want to avoid MO taking on a ‘social media’ feel — I’d prefer that we collectively look like a chill, modern, easygoing sisyphus. I would need to know more about exactly how hats would be implemented before being able to render judgement on their appropriateness for MO." CreationDate="2022-12-28T06:07:00.550" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="28180" PostId="5555" Score="5" Text="@AlecRhea &quot;chill, modern, easygoing sisyphus&quot;? I know that trying to answer MO questions can sometimes feel like pushing large boulders up a hill, only for them to roll down again, but ..." CreationDate="2022-12-28T09:53:36.367" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="28181" PostId="5555" Score="1" Text="@JeremyRickard The sisyphusian task is mathematics in general, not MO specifically — more importantly, we must imagine sisyphus happy. (all of this is tongue-in-cheek; the only real content to my comment is an inquiry about how hats work)" CreationDate="2022-12-28T10:10:35.687" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="28182" PostId="5555" Score="9" Text="Such gloomy comments for a light topic." CreationDate="2022-12-28T14:11:49.413" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="28188" PostId="5555" Score="6" Text="For those who are not in a festive mood, think of hats as a survival kit for the grant report season." CreationDate="2022-12-28T15:49:27.400" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28201" PostId="5555" Score="8" Text="I deleted my latter comments in this thread, since my lighthearted mocking was not received in the spirit in which it had been intended. The main point I had wanted to make is in my first comment above. (Moderators, perhaps clean up this thread?)" CreationDate="2022-12-29T18:43:29.557" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28206" PostId="5555" Score="3" Text="To add my $2$ cents, for me the reputation points is the &quot;right&quot; quantity of gamification. I don't care about the badges. As for the hats, I am not against the hat feature that Joel is suggesting, and maybe I would even put a hat in my MO profile. I don't see how making hats would make MO a less great site than it is now. On the other hand I think about MO: Don't change a winning recipe. It's such a great site! So, put me down as a &quot;hat agnostic&quot;" CreationDate="2022-12-30T08:18:26.523" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="28183" PostId="5556" Score="13" Text="Some good contributor might decide to leave MO because “they don’t feel well anymore” seeing a Winter Bash? Really?" CreationDate="2022-12-28T14:20:39.940" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="28184" PostId="5556" Score="5" Text="Stefan, I think at the end you may mean &quot;lose&quot; some who don't feel &quot;welcome&quot;?" CreationDate="2022-12-28T14:30:08.793" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28185" PostId="5556" Score="5" Text="@FrancescoPolizzi I remember a user posting here that they plan to stop contributing on MO since the site links to twitter: [Why do we link to Twitter, Facebook or Google+ below every question?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3095) If somebody might see this as sufficient reasons to leave, why not hats? People might have various reasons for their decisions. (At the same time, it is clear that you cannot please everybody.)" CreationDate="2022-12-28T14:31:53.727" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28186" PostId="5556" Score="9" Text="@MartinSleziak: this was the point of my comment. To every action X might correspond a user that decides to leave because they do not like X. Reasoning in this way, everything is impossible." CreationDate="2022-12-28T14:37:51.897" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="28208" PostId="5557" Score="2" Text="The top mathematicians that feel it's &quot;beneath them to get openly involved in MO&quot; shouldn't be on MO in the first place ;)" CreationDate="2022-12-30T09:16:37.323" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="28211" PostId="5557" Score="4" Text="But, in fact, it is not a medical prescription to be involved in MO. If some people  feel that MO is “beneath them”, they are free  not to participate. It is impossible to please everybody." CreationDate="2022-12-30T10:34:08.293" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="28213" PostId="5557" Score="4" Text="I like the light-hearted community here (though I oppose the particular proposal), and I think it's good to invite like-minded people.  But I do not think that this concern is purely hypothetical; we have already had quite valuable contributors express their frustration with the reputation game—as a result of which MO, unlike the rest of the network (right?), does not show reputation by default, and I think is the better for it.  Hats are sillier than reputation, but whether that makes them more or less tolerable to the people frustrated by reputation I don't know." CreationDate="2022-12-30T20:55:30.960" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28212" PostId="5558" Score="2" Text="Either `field-with-one-element` or `one-element-field` is much clearer than `f-1` (which always makes me think of race cars)." CreationDate="2022-12-30T17:10:02.267" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28227" PostId="5558" Score="1" Text="I think *&quot;field with one element&quot;* is more common and I agree it's more clear than the cryptic &quot;f-1&quot;." CreationDate="2023-01-04T22:34:11.313" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28381" PostId="5558" Score="2" Text="I have now merged [f-1] into [field-with-one-element]" CreationDate="2023-03-17T06:06:41.423" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28217" PostId="5560" Score="3" Text="There might be a middle ground here. Let those who earned hats on _other sites_ wear them on MO too. But disable this feature (i.e granting hats based on one's contributions) on the MO itself." CreationDate="2022-12-31T13:29:49.607" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="28222" PostId="5562" Score="3" Text="And if it is desired to have talks, why not simply apply to organize a Special Session at the JMM?" CreationDate="2023-01-02T01:27:47.430" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28228" PostId="5562" Score="0" Text="Do many mathematicians from outside North America go to the JMM?" CreationDate="2023-01-06T21:43:35.697" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28229" PostId="5562" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts: Good question. I do not know. On that score, maybe the ICM is better for an MO gathering or session." CreationDate="2023-01-07T01:13:15.083" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="28230" PostId="5562" Score="0" Text="@joseph I'm not saying to not do a JMM Special Session, just pointing out that such a thing would have a particular type of attendee. No one venue/event is going to get a representative sample of MO users, anyway." CreationDate="2023-01-07T05:29:15.320" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28271" PostId="5567" Score="0" Text="I always appreciated his moderation of the Foundations of Mathematics e-mail list. My favorite memory of him is from Nov 7, 2000, a nighttime email exchange about some question of mine as a FOM participant, while both of us stayed up for more election results. RIP." CreationDate="2023-01-23T15:00:59.107" UserDisplayName="user44143" />
  <row Id="28233" PostId="5568" Score="6" Text="[Obituary](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hausdorff-center_max-planck-institute-for-mathematics-in-bonn-activity-7017826108146335744-mw9a) by the Hausdorff Center for Mathematics." CreationDate="2023-01-09T05:41:20.783" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="28235" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="Oh that's annoying. Thanks!" CreationDate="2023-01-11T17:43:39.200" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="28236" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="Incidentally, how did you fix it? (I'm curious how to handle &quot;invisible line breaks.&quot;)" CreationDate="2023-01-11T17:45:29.543" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="28237" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="@NoahSchweber I have [edited your answer](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/438299/revisions) - for me the spoiler now works as expected. (But it's up to you to say whether this is what you wanted.) I hope that somebody who knows more above this will give you a more detailed response - but I wanted to try at least some quick fix." CreationDate="2023-01-11T17:45:30.090" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28238" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="Yup, that's great, although I don't actually understand what you changed." CreationDate="2023-01-11T17:45:45.133" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="28239" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="@NoahSchweber If you wish to, we can [continue in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/62752692#62752692) - so that we do not leave many comments here. But I didn't really do anything beyond removing a newline." CreationDate="2023-01-11T17:48:25.290" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28240" PostId="5571" Score="7" Text="By asking well received questions or answering other users' questions" CreationDate="2023-01-12T08:32:23.730" UserId="33741" />
  <row Id="28242" PostId="5571" Score="8" Text="What do you mean by &quot;I am not allowed to comment or post&quot;? -- As far as I can see, you are neither blocked from asking nor blocked from answering. You can add comments to other peoples' posts once you gained 50 points for your questions or answers (50 points correspond to a total of 5 upvotes)." CreationDate="2023-01-12T09:26:45.817" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28245" PostId="5571" Score="6" Text="Also, commenting does not earn you points." CreationDate="2023-01-12T16:49:05.163" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28241" PostId="5572" Score="3" Text="The general tradition on MO is that big-list questions, or in general questions which do not have a single correct answer, should *usually* be CW. Also, questions which are rather soft questions than precise mathematical questions should *usually* be CW. These cannot be exact &quot;hard&quot; rules, of course." CreationDate="2023-01-12T09:19:43.957" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28243" PostId="5572" Score="0" Text="I guess the tag ([meta-tag:specific-question]) might be suitable here - at least if this is meant mainly to be about this particular question. (Not if you want to have a general discussion - and this question is used just as an example. See also [the tag-info for this tag](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/specific-question/info).)" CreationDate="2023-01-12T10:56:06.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28249" PostId="5573" Score="7" Text="I can understand why these answers would be frustrating for you, and I might well feel the same way if I were in your shoes—but, in the spirit that contributions to MO are for everyone's good, not just the asker's, isn't this a perfect place for votes of the community at large to sort out, as it were, the wheat from the chaff?  Each of the answers currently has at least one upvote, and no downvote, so at least one person has found each useful, and no-one has found any answer not useful to the extent of expressing that opinion with a vote." CreationDate="2023-01-13T01:42:37.920" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28250" PostId="5573" Score="5" Text="@LSpice I imagine that the upvote comes from the only person who seems able to engage with what is (a world expert) thinking aloud. I am not a specialist in Banach space theory but it does seem that Prof. Argyros is using the MO answer boxes like posting to a forum..." CreationDate="2023-01-13T03:12:57.973" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28252" PostId="5573" Score="2" Text="Argyros' account appears now to be suspended (for 7 days)." CreationDate="2023-01-13T07:28:29.367" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="28257" PostId="5573" Score="9" Text="IMHO, in principle, it is even desirable if a post has “a natural evolution”, and new aspects emerge; however, for the readers’ sake, it would be better to avoid a stream of consciousness on the same place. Rather, it seems more practical to post a new question as follow-up, focusing on a precise new aspect of the question." CreationDate="2023-01-15T08:49:38.580" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="28247" PostId="5574" Score="2" Text="I'm not a professor, and at that date I'm not a student. I'm asking it as curiousity." CreationDate="2023-01-12T18:27:39.470" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28248" PostId="5574" Score="1" Text="I thought that Meta was for asking questions about the working of MO.  I suspect that this is not particularly suitable for MO itself, but the community is sometimes much more tolerant of what one might call 'soft' questions than I am (there's even a [tag](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/soft-question)!), so this could possibly do well there." CreationDate="2023-01-12T23:25:30.670" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28253" PostId="5574" Score="1" Text="Many thanks @LSpice" CreationDate="2023-01-13T16:16:52.137" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28258" PostId="5574" Score="1" Text="Of course it's possible. I used MO answers in some of my Differential Geometry classes." CreationDate="2023-01-17T00:41:02.970" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="28259" PostId="5574" Score="1" Text="Many thanks @MoisheKohan for your feedback, if you consider it, please expand your comment in an answer (adding those details *why* these were good lessons/matheatical lectures, your motivation, the goals that you had in mind... and other details that you consider important in the context of my Question)." CreationDate="2023-01-17T18:59:24.313" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28306" PostId="5574" Score="0" Text="Please professor @MoisheKohan you're invited to provide an answer. I hope don't bother to you with my insistence. Good week." CreationDate="2023-02-10T16:17:17.280" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28251" PostId="5575" Score="3" Text="This might be another instance of improper MathJax wrapping, like observed in [MathJax formula has extraneous line breaks on the user profile page](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/378009) on Meta SE. Also, in the [direct link](https://mathoverflow.net/revisions/438406/3) to your revision, the edit summary is rendered correctly for me." CreationDate="2023-01-13T06:06:02.357" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28254" PostId="5575" Score="1" Text="@TheAmplitwist, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5575/how-is-tex-rendered-in-edit-summaries#comment28251_5575)!  You're right; this question is probably a near-duplicate of [that one](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/378009).  However, since we can't close as cross-site duplicates—is there a similar question already here on MO?  (I also see the edit summary rendered correctly in the direct link to the revision itself; the problem I describe only occurs for me on the list of revisions.)" CreationDate="2023-01-13T16:59:35.040" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28256" PostId="5575" Score="2" Text="The closest duplicate on this site would be Matt F.'s [answer to &quot;What is the deal with changes to the front page?&quot;](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5246), in particular the part added after &quot;Update&quot;. I've also left a [comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5230/what-is-the-deal-with-changes-to-the-front-page/5246#comment27639_5246) there with links to similar bug reports. However, I would recommend leaving this question open." CreationDate="2023-01-14T02:02:12.857" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28261" PostId="5575" Score="1" Text="I knew this looked familiar. I now think that it may actually be a duplicate of a prior post by ... [me](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4198). But I'll wait to see if it's the same bug." CreationDate="2023-01-18T21:00:44.223" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28263" PostId="5575" Score="2" Text="I don't believe it is the same bug, because this bug doesn't occur only on narrow width screens, as witnessed by your screenshot. (It seems the question on main has been deleted in the meantime.)" CreationDate="2023-01-19T07:39:22.447" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28283" PostId="5577" Score="1" Text="Thanks as always to the whole community for keeping the ship running!" CreationDate="2023-02-03T19:10:53.603" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="28272" PostId="5580" Score="3" Text="I will admit that I am a bit curious about [the spike in 2021](https://i.stack.imgur.com/uLKAE.png) - any other year has less than 25k created accounts, this year has almost 280k. Most likely we'll never know." CreationDate="2023-01-31T14:22:49.670" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28273" PostId="5580" Score="4" Text="Any anomaly for 2021 is likely due to COVID." CreationDate="2023-01-31T14:31:54.897" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28274" PostId="5580" Score="9" Text="@MartinSleziak The spike in new user accounts in 2021 is due to a huge influx of spam profiles created in this time." CreationDate="2023-01-31T14:38:52.647" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28275" PostId="5580" Score="1" Text="@StefanKohl I will admit that *spammers* could be a possibility - actually that only one I was able to think of. OTOH if I check [number of spam posts](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369?m=62580541#62580541), that one doesn't seem to be higher in 2021." CreationDate="2023-01-31T14:46:46.780" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28276" PostId="5580" Score="9" Text="@MartinSleziak The peak was due to *profile spammers*, i.e., accounts which didn't post. At some point, the interest of profile spammers in MO dropped again, and the massive influx was over." CreationDate="2023-01-31T16:16:42.317" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28277" PostId="5580" Score="8" Text="@StefanKohl Looking here on meta, these questions - related to spam in users' profiles - are indeed from 2021: [Influx of ridiculous number of spam users – what to do?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4987) and [Filtering out the Autobiographer badge from &quot;Recent Badges&quot;](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4993)." CreationDate="2023-01-31T16:20:02.367" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28282" PostId="5580" Score="2" Text="Thank you  very much  and +1 Martin for your very interesting and informative answer" CreationDate="2023-02-03T10:36:38.097" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28280" PostId="5581" Score="2" Text="that is correct, see https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/290546/260547 ; undeleted questions can later be deleted automatically, so undeleting may not be that useful." CreationDate="2023-02-01T19:52:46.910" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="28281" PostId="5581" Score="0" Text="Related, here on MO Meta: [What is a 'question record', in particular a positive one?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3602/183188)" CreationDate="2023-02-03T08:14:15.450" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28291" PostId="5582" Score="1" Text="The root of the problem is that the Markdown parser interprets the \\ (thus simplifies it to \ ) before it is passed to MathJax. If you write \\\\, it works. This is strange, because otherwise the parser leaves \\ unchanged inside MathJax expressions (e.g., in `\begin{align}...\end{align}`). It’s possible that the exception only applies to specific MathJax environments, and CD is missing on the list." CreationDate="2023-02-07T07:58:01.643" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28292" PostId="5582" Score="1" Text="No, wait: the HTML source has the correct \\, so perhaps the bug is in MathJax after all. But anyway, it works with \\\\, hence there is some problem with unquoting the \\." CreationDate="2023-02-07T08:52:01.970" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28294" PostId="5582" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek, thanks for the diagnostics! Interestingly, it's not *just* about the `\\ `; your comment inspired me to test, and adding in an interstitial row of vertical arrows, even if ‘empty’, restores the expected behaviour. (EDIT: In fact, that seems to be what your [solution](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5582/amscd-columns-not-aligning#comment28291_5582) is doing, as indicated by the extra vertical space it introduces:  `\\\\ ` seems to be effectively `\\{}\\ `.) I have edited accordingly." CreationDate="2023-02-08T23:00:43.800" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28297" PostId="5582" Score="1" Text="Oh, I see. So my comments are actually far off." CreationDate="2023-02-09T07:29:57.213" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28295" PostId="5583" Score="4" Text="They look the same to me with current Firefox on Mac." CreationDate="2023-02-09T01:46:26.160" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28296" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5583/a-numbered-list-beginning-with-a-displayed-equation-swallows-the-number#comment28295_5583)!  I agree, I cannot reproduce the behaviour under Firefox.  (On Chrome, it seems that the behaviour is a 3rd possibility: the number and the equation appear on the *same* line.)  In fact, bizarrely, even on Safari, when I clicked through to see your comment, the number displayed (what I would call) properly, but then it disappeared on refresh." CreationDate="2023-02-09T01:51:19.663" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28298" PostId="5583" Score="1" Text="Using Chromium on Linux, the first one shows `1.` but no line break; the second shows `1.` and a line break." CreationDate="2023-02-09T09:26:33.940" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28299" PostId="5583" Score="1" Text="They look the same to me.  Safari 14.1.2; renderer HTML-CSS (With other renderers, I can see differences: both the missing newline and the missing number)... Perhaps the OP (and the other commenters) should mention which renderer." CreationDate="2023-02-09T13:00:39.267" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28301" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5583/in-safari-on-macos-a-numbered-list-beginning-with-a-displayed-equation-swallows#comment28299_5583)!  I am seeing this behaviour with HTML-CSS and Preview HTML, but only *most* of the time.  Sometimes the HTML-CSS renderer (which is my default) shows the number in the first list; but then, when I refresh, the number goes away.  Does that behaviour happen for you, or does the number remain even on refresh?" CreationDate="2023-02-09T13:32:28.447" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28302" PostId="5583" Score="1" Text="@GeraldEdgar, [correction](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5583/in-safari-on-macos-a-numbered-list-beginning-with-a-displayed-equation-swallows#comment28299_5583):  on *all* renderers, I am seeing the number sometimes load, but go away on refresh.  Using Plain Source, bizarrely, it sometimes starts on the same line, and then refreshing sometimes gets rid of the number and sometimes puts it on a different line.  In some renderers, e.g., MathML and Plain Source, when I refresh, the number will show briefly, but then disappear." CreationDate="2023-02-09T13:45:52.730" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28351" PostId="5583" Score="1" Text="Playing around with this, I think I can at least describe its reproduction conditions in my browser (Safari 16.2):  On page load/refresh, the list number appears momentarily but vanishes as rendering is completed, UNLESS the already-selected renderer is “preview HTML”, in which case the number remains visible.  On switching renderer (using the contextual menu), the content gets re-rendered, but the number visibility doesn’t change, EXCEPT when switching to “Common HTML” or “MathML” (from any other renderer), which makes the list number appear (and remain visible until a page refresh)." CreationDate="2023-02-24T15:57:58.913" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="28352" PostId="5583" Score="1" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine, [thanks](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5583/in-safari-on-macos-a-numbered-list-beginning-with-a-displayed-equation-swallows#comment28351_5583)!  Is the behaviour completely reproducible for you?  For me, even with nothing else (including the renderer) changes, I will often see one behaviour (the number visible as expected) on first page load after a while—maybe after the cached version has expired?—and then the other version if I immediately refresh." CreationDate="2023-02-24T17:16:14.830" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28353" PostId="5583" Score="1" Text="@LSpice: Ah, I hadn’t tried waiting a while like you suggest.  My earlier tests where at my office computer; now I’m at home on a different machine, with Safari 16.0.  Testing again here, the results seem generally the same as I noted before, but as you suggest, on the first reload after a few minutes’ wait (?c15mins), the number is visible regardless of the selected renderer (at least, with a few different renderers — didn’t try all, since it needs the long wait)." CreationDate="2023-02-24T18:56:36.850" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="28309" PostId="5584" Score="3" Text="I'm getting the same error (with chrome on mac)" CreationDate="2023-02-17T12:57:05.483" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="28310" PostId="5584" Score="3" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/questions/17313/is-it-possible-to-dissect-a-disk-into-congruent-pieces-so-that-a-neighborhood-o has been giving me Kitty for some time now." CreationDate="2023-02-17T21:26:26.070" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28311" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="Both are broken for me (Firefox, Android)" CreationDate="2023-02-17T22:18:24.137" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28312" PostId="5584" Score="3" Text="Another example: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/26821/is-thompsons-group-f-amenable" CreationDate="2023-02-18T02:37:10.397" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28313" PostId="5584" Score="4" Text="Another one : https://mathoverflow.net/questions/81204/does-2x-2y-rightarrow-x-y-imply-the-axiom-of-choice" CreationDate="2023-02-18T04:21:17.113" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="28317" PostId="5584" Score="2" Text="And another: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/14376/why-is-addition-of-observables-in-quantum-mechanics-commutative" CreationDate="2023-02-18T13:51:19.477" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="28322" PostId="5584" Score="2" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/questions/37211/how-to-find-the-number-of-k-permutations-of-n-objects-with-x-types-and-r" CreationDate="2023-02-18T21:52:34.667" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28323" PostId="5584" Score="2" Text="Two more: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/121306/, https://mathoverflow.net/questions/10200" CreationDate="2023-02-18T22:08:12.120" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="28325" PostId="5584" Score="3" Text="An obvious pattern: it looks like the problem appears only on old (10+ year old) questions, though certainly not *every* old question has this problem. For example https://mathoverflow.net/questions/21003/polynomial-bijection-from-mathbb-q-times-mathbb-q-to-mathbb-q is broken but https://mathoverflow.net/questions/54430/video-lectures-of-mathematics-courses-available-online-for-free is ok." CreationDate="2023-02-18T23:31:20.520" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28326" PostId="5584" Score="1" Text="Another one: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/36580/is-all-ordinary-mathematics-contained-in-high-school-mathematics" CreationDate="2023-02-19T04:43:25.123" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="28331" PostId="5584" Score="2" Text="Question 14376, reported here yesterday by @Jeremy, was bumped to the front page five hours ago by an answer posted by another user, https://mathoverflow.net/users/17261/jjcale?tab=activity – but I'm still getting Kitty. What is going on here?" CreationDate="2023-02-19T21:18:54.470" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28332" PostId="5584" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson Yes, the question in my original report was also bumped to the front page while it was already broken for me, as I mentioned, so the bug only affects some users." CreationDate="2023-02-20T05:06:47.857" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28337" PostId="5584" Score="1" Text="Added a few more examples." CreationDate="2023-02-20T17:50:31.047" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="28338" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="yeah, saw these too. :-( time to relocate to a better platform?" CreationDate="2023-02-20T19:07:55.900" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="28339" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="logging out + clearing cookies  + logging back does not help" CreationDate="2023-02-20T19:20:29.140" UserId="11100" />
  <row Id="28340" PostId="5584" Score="4" Text="@TimCampion Could you or another moderator add a status-review tag so that the problem is actually noticed by staff?" CreationDate="2023-02-21T08:30:40.290" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28341" PostId="5584" Score="4" Text="@EmilJeřábek Thanks for the nudge. Added now." CreationDate="2023-02-21T14:43:09.073" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="28342" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="@TimCampion Thank you." CreationDate="2023-02-21T15:45:47.470" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28343" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="I am not sure if https://mathoverflow.net/questions/20740/is-there-an-introduction-to-probability-theory-from-a-structuralist-categorical has already been mentioned" CreationDate="2023-02-22T02:32:41.107" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28344" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="Not yet, adding it now. The list of questions is kept updated with all that have been identified; it’s sorted according to the post ID so that it is easy to check whether a given question has already been listed." CreationDate="2023-02-22T06:18:58.457" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28345" PostId="5584" Score="6" Text="There are many, many more instances. If you go to one of the questions already in the list and look for questions with nearby post IDs then you will probably find several. For example, the first question currently in the list is number 8972, and 8974 and 8976 are also examples (8973 and 8975 are not questions). However, it doesn't seem to be a contiguous block of IDs that are affected: 8983 seems fine. Probably we're getting to the point where adding newly found instances to the list is not going to help much." CreationDate="2023-02-22T09:28:24.230" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="28346" PostId="5584" Score="4" Text="P.S. I’ve checked OEIS so that you don’t need to." CreationDate="2023-02-22T14:23:41.620" UserId="22989" />
  <row Id="28348" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="It's happening here, on Chrome from a Windows box:  https://mathoverflow.net/questions/115416/if-d-dx-is-an-operator-on-what-does-it-operate .   Same page gives same problem on Firefox from the same Windows box and on Chrome from my Android phone." CreationDate="2023-02-23T15:55:47.633" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="28350" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="I have been noticing the same, with a number of questions, e.g. https://mathoverflow.net/questions/71144/algebraic-axiomatization-for-abbat-operation-on-matrices" CreationDate="2023-02-24T11:41:23.663" UserId="1306" />
  <row Id="28360" PostId="5584" Score="1" Text="I cannot test this myself - for some reason, the linked question work fine for me. Still I was curious whether people who get the error have access to pages such as [timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/2014/timeline) or [revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/2014/revisions), or whether they'll get the same error there." CreationDate="2023-02-28T14:04:46.550" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28361" PostId="5584" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Both of these work fine for me, on two affected questions that I tried." CreationDate="2023-02-28T14:15:06.410" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28362" PostId="5584" Score="1" Text="I wonder whether the problem is tied to reputation, as all users so far who confirmed that they are affected by the bug have over 10K." CreationDate="2023-02-28T14:19:52.530" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28363" PostId="5584" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek Since you've mentioned 10k+ users, I will add that all questions mentioned in the post have at least one deleted answer. (This is something which is different for users below and above 10k, and for users who are not logged in.) I have split this into two queries - [the first one](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1714897?list=2014,8972,8974,8976,10200,14376,17313,20740,21003,22316,24181,24579,26821,31846,34173,36580,37211,37610,42512,42569,44095,46970,47057,47458,48851,49395,49721) ..." CreationDate="2023-02-28T14:48:28.313" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28364" PostId="5584" Score="1" Text="... and [the second one](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1714897?list=51171,52070,54735,57094,63160,71144,76280,78270,81204,96222,106640,115416,115416,121306). (Since the list is getting quite long.)" CreationDate="2023-02-28T14:48:45.047" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28365" PostId="5584" Score="1" Text="To elaborate, there are at least 3 confirmed users below 10k not affected by the bug (at least at some point): https://mathoverflow.net/users/8250/martin-sleziak (per https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5584/kitty-can-t-fix-it-old-questions-inaccessible-for-logged-in-users-giving-une#comment28360_5584), https://mathoverflow.net/users/17261/jjcale (per https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5584/kitty-can-t-fix-it-old-questions-inaccessible-for-logged-in-users-giving-une#comment28331_5584), and https://mathoverflow.net/users/471160/xyc (per https://mathoverflow.net/posts/54735/timeline)." CreationDate="2023-02-28T14:49:13.037" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28366" PostId="5584" Score="3" Text="@MartinSleziak You are onto something there. I just checked an old post that I remembered to have a deleted answer by myself, and sure enough, it's broken: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/67015/elementary-luroth-theorem-proof" CreationDate="2023-02-28T15:03:16.940" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28367" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="If somebody wants to test this more thoroughly, one could use queries showing [questions with deleted answers](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1714905/questions-with-deleted-answers?Date1=2011-01-01&amp;Date2=2012-01-01) and [all questions with counts of deleted answers](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1714907/number-of-deleted-answers?Date1=2011-01-01&amp;Date2=2012-01-01) within a given period. (To check whether other questions that have a deleted answer cause the same problem and whether questions with no deleted answers work fine.)" CreationDate="2023-02-28T15:19:06.147" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28368" PostId="5584" Score="2" Text="Thanks for creating the queries. Out of the first 20 questions on the first list, 14 give me kitty, 6 don’t (50872, 50912, 50915, 50966, 51056, 51068). Of the second list, all questions without deleted answers that I tried work fine." CreationDate="2023-02-28T17:01:00.973" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28371" PostId="5584" Score="12" Text="Hey all, I spoke with the dev looking into this and she gave me a status update - we’ve identified the problem and are looking into how to fix it. We'll have more info soon. Thanks for your patience!" CreationDate="2023-03-01T20:04:11.060" UserId="122216" />
  <row Id="28372" PostId="5584" Score="3" Text="@Catija Thanks for the update." CreationDate="2023-03-01T21:02:34.643" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28333" PostId="5586" Score="1" Text="Yes, I’ve seen this many times. The diff algorithm does not know about MathJax delimiters." CreationDate="2023-02-20T06:17:10.260" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28334" PostId="5586" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek: Right, I recall seeing such issues before too — but I hadn’t ever noticed that the problem seems to be only in titles; in the body, the diff does respect MathJax. So the core work of a solution is presumably done — it just needs to be applied in the title too." CreationDate="2023-02-20T08:14:22.197" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="28335" PostId="5587" Score="2" Text="Yes, this is noted in the question." CreationDate="2023-02-20T11:20:23.967" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28336" PostId="5587" Score="2" Text="ah, apologies, I had not read carefully, this answer then does not add anything, I will delete it." CreationDate="2023-02-20T11:24:13.023" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="28359" PostId="5587" Score="8" Text="Note: Instead of logging out, you can open an incognito tab on whatever browsers support this." CreationDate="2023-02-27T15:30:39.450" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="28369" PostId="5587" Score="2" Text="This is an okay temporary fix, but I really hope someone (at StackExchange support, I guess?) is aware of the bug and working on a real solution, because this is a big loss in functionality and has been going on a while now." CreationDate="2023-03-01T02:13:14.463" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28356" PostId="5590" Score="1" Text="I don't think your reading of John Omielan's answer is quite right. See, for instance, the [comment by Grace Note](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/47474/old-usernames-stick-to-community-wiki-posts#comment285100_110197) under the Meta SE answer that John quotes, and also the more recent [answer by Laurel](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/323637) to the same Meta SE question. To summarize, any edit to the CW post should (hopefully!) update the displayed username.  (In this case, probably the two edits were made by Jonas to his answer before changing his username.)" CreationDate="2023-02-27T12:58:23.140" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28357" PostId="5590" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist, I don't find what you [propose](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28356) written in @‍JohnOmielan's answer (which, as you point out, just refers to the other MetaSE answer), or in the [comment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/posts/comments/285100) by @‍GraceNote that you link (which seems to link the change in name to multiple revisions, which are present here), but I agree that the [answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/323637) by @‍Laurel seems to say it explicitly.  With that in mind, I would accept your comment as an answer, or would be happy to close as dupe." CreationDate="2023-02-27T14:00:03.960" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28358" PostId="5590" Score="0" Text="I converted my comment to an answer, but I wouldn't be opposed to closing this as a duplicate, either." CreationDate="2023-02-27T15:23:21.687" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28374" PostId="5592" Score="10" Text="Many thanks for this!" CreationDate="2023-03-03T17:41:57.417" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="28375" PostId="5592" Score="7" Text="Thank you for fixing it!" CreationDate="2023-03-03T17:57:46.423" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28376" PostId="5592" Score="5" Text="Thank you for this! Who would have thought the migration would still make itself felt this much later?!" CreationDate="2023-03-06T09:48:28.043" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28408" PostId="5598" Score="1" Text="Ultimately, it is the concept itself of &quot;ownership&quot; that does not work well for sequences of 0 and 1s." CreationDate="2023-03-25T16:36:16.300" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28420" PostId="5598" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni Try &quot;legal liability&quot; instead of &quot;ownership&quot; ;-)" CreationDate="2023-03-27T17:53:06.337" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="28386" PostId="5599" Score="0" Text="@MartinKealey *&quot;MathOverflow is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization and is therefore capable of accepting tax-deductible donations from individuals, corporations and unions.&quot;* [ [source](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2379/91764) ]" CreationDate="2023-03-22T12:39:56.490" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="28387" PostId="5599" Score="0" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo - I stand corrected, thankyou. Does that mean it's a &quot;company&quot; or something else? (non-profits where I live are almost never called &quot;companies&quot;) Do you know how many of the domain names are held by entities other than _Stack Exchange_?" CreationDate="2023-03-22T12:54:22.480" UserId="480030" />
  <row Id="28390" PostId="5599" Score="0" Text="Changed the misleading “company” to “corporation”, thanks for pointing it out." CreationDate="2023-03-22T14:11:12.553" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28429" PostId="5599" Score="5" Text="It is unfortunate that MathOverflow has entered into an intimate relationship with a deeply morally corrupt organization." CreationDate="2023-04-01T05:20:29.170" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="28388" PostId="5600" Score="0" Text="I emphasize my respect for this thread of posts. I add again that if some professor or moderator have a better idea to celebrate this list of mathematics awards I can to delete my post, many thanks." CreationDate="2023-03-22T13:03:20.390" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28391" PostId="5601" Score="0" Text="Many thanks for your excellent answer professor. I wait that there are more professors who can to add their feedback here as a comment, or with more answers." CreationDate="2023-03-23T13:18:18.950" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28392" PostId="5602" Score="3" Text="May I ask how you linked your reputation change to looking at questions? I have no idea how I could find out such information. I cannot see from my tools that you have interacted with the first question (https://mathoverflow.net/questions/443211/large-cardinals-in-zf-dc-ad) at all. In the second question https://mathoverflow.net/questions/4454/how-many-of-the-true-sentences-are-provable/442591#442591 you had a downvoted answer at one point that is now gone. If you have had any other interactions with these posts (perhaps downvoting them?), I cannot see them." CreationDate="2023-03-24T02:30:46.857" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28393" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="Also, how can you tell that it's one rep point per question, and not 2 points for one of them? Do you have a screen shot of the information that confirms what the rep loss is due to?" CreationDate="2023-03-24T02:31:32.833" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28394" PostId="5602" Score="1" Text="If you go to [your reputation tab](https://mathoverflow.net/users/current?tab=reputation) and make sure that the checkbox &quot;show removed posts&quot; is checked, are some recent changes of reputation displayed?" CreationDate="2023-03-24T02:54:20.020" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28395" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="It might be just a coincidence and you lost reputation points from somebody's downvote." CreationDate="2023-03-24T03:04:15.847" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="28396" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="@MoisheKohan That seems possible - but I do not see any recent downvotes on [this users' reputation tab](https://mathoverflow.net/users/20597/thomas-benjamin?tab=reputation). (We'll see whether the OP replies to the comments above - maybe some reputation changes are shown only to them and not to others.)" CreationDate="2023-03-24T03:11:18.900" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28397" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="No.  The point is, I neither posted a comment nor an answer for the first question listed and for the second question I did post an answer but deleted it and got the points back for deleting it but did not get the point back I originally lost for seemingly no reason at all." CreationDate="2023-03-24T03:12:11.507" UserId="20597" />
  <row Id="28398" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="For users below 10k (who cannot see deleted posts) I will add [this SEDE query](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1724737/votes-on-a-specific-post?pid=442591) - where you can see that the answer mentioned above was deleted on March 13 and it had three downvotes. (The data shown here are from the last update of SEDE.)" CreationDate="2023-03-24T03:30:49.137" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28399" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts:  I do now.  How do I send it to you?" CreationDate="2023-03-24T03:54:56.383" UserId="20597" />
  <row Id="28400" PostId="5602" Score="2" Text="@Thomas can you edit it into the question? Others might recognise what happened before I do." CreationDate="2023-03-24T04:39:00.363" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28401" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="How do I do that?" CreationDate="2023-03-24T09:49:09.517" UserId="20597" />
  <row Id="28402" PostId="5602" Score="3" Text="@ThomasBenjamin If the most recent comment is meant as a question how to include a screenshot into a post, a brief answer is: when you edit the post, click on the corresponding button in the editor or press Ctrl+G.&#xA;You can find some information on this meta: [How can I add a diagram or picture to my questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/993)&#xA;And there is this post on [meta.se]: [How to upload an image to a post?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/75491) (This one shows a screenshot.)" CreationDate="2023-03-24T11:04:08.700" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28409" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts:  you now have a link to my screen shot showing that what I said was true.  Sorry for the delay." CreationDate="2023-03-25T17:51:06.753" UserId="20597" />
  <row Id="28410" PostId="5602" Score="4" Text="Looks like you might have downvoted the answer on that thread." CreationDate="2023-03-25T18:35:57.760" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28411" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist:  if I did, it was by accident.  The question now is, if one downvotes a question or an answer, is one docked reputation points?" CreationDate="2023-03-25T18:40:44.860" UserId="20597" />
  <row Id="28412" PostId="5602" Score="2" Text="@ThomasBenjamin You lose 1 reputation point for downvoting an answer, but you don't lose any points for downvoting a question. You can confirm for yourself whether your vote has been cast on that answer, since that vote button will be lit up if you have." CreationDate="2023-03-25T19:11:32.853" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28413" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist:  thanks!  If you have downvoted an answer by accident, can you correct your mistake and get your points back?" CreationDate="2023-03-25T20:20:25.920" UserId="20597" />
  <row Id="28415" PostId="5602" Score="1" Text="@Thomas go and try! :-) I can't see those single-point rep changes on https://mathoverflow.net/users/20597/thomas-benjamin?tab=reputation, maybe you can." CreationDate="2023-03-25T21:11:19.207" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28416" PostId="5602" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts Yes, this is documented in several places (and intentional). Voting is supposed to be anonymous - so $-1$ point after downvoting an answer isn't shown to others. But it still should be visible to the user when viewing their own reputation tab. For example: [If I downvote an answer, is the lost reputation visible to others in my profile?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/97445) and [Does StackOverflow hide -1 rep from downvoter's profile for the &quot;downvotee&quot; so they won't be able to tell who downvoted them?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/132046) (the latter has a screenshot)." CreationDate="2023-03-25T21:16:45.237" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28417" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="For the record, I will add that there is one downvote on the answer to Large cardinals in ZF + DC + AD, as one can see [in the timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/443372/timeline?filter=WithVoteSummaries). (But only the OP can confirm, whether the downvote came from them - i.e., whether this was indeed the reason for the reputation loss.)" CreationDate="2023-03-25T21:20:37.380" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28418" PostId="5602" Score="1" Text="@ThomasBenjamin your votes are locked in after five minutes, so you won’t be able to undo your vote now… unless the post has been edited after you cast your vote, in which case you can undo or change your vote." CreationDate="2023-03-25T22:41:07.187" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28419" PostId="5602" Score="1" Text="Thank you for your help.  I'll be more careful where I put my fingers on my phone screen in future...." CreationDate="2023-03-26T00:03:22.043" UserId="20597" />
  <row Id="28421" PostId="5604" Score="2" Text="It may or may not be an abuse of the system to make some edit to an answer for the sole purpose of undoing your accidental or mistaken downvote." CreationDate="2023-03-28T02:34:36.237" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28422" PostId="5604" Score="2" Text="@Gerry yes, that is important to note." CreationDate="2023-03-28T02:35:30.753" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28425" PostId="5608" Score="1" Text="Okay, thanks, I see that this is intended functionality." CreationDate="2023-03-30T20:53:34.457" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28426" PostId="5608" Score="2" Text="It would be nice to find whether introducing this functionality was discussed at some point. I searched a bit and did not find such discussion - maybe someone else might have more luck." CreationDate="2023-03-30T20:57:16.940" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28427" PostId="5610" Score="13" Text="Is this purely hypothetical, or do you have an example of a post being closed here because of a similar question on mathstack ten years ago?" CreationDate="2023-03-31T21:12:51.880" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28428" PostId="5610" Score="2" Text="&quot;*There is no basis for presuming that a similar question asked 10 years ago on another site is not worth re-asking on MO.*&quot; Are you referring to questions about, say, high-school algebra?  While these may be on-topic at Mathematics Stack Exchange, these would be off-topic at MathOverflow." CreationDate="2023-04-01T01:00:24.433" UserId="12357" />
  <row Id="28430" PostId="5610" Score="2" Text="Declawing is a cruel mutilation of innocent animals and should not be suggested even in a jest." CreationDate="2023-04-01T06:33:15.660" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28431" PostId="5610" Score="7" Text="Such a hypothetical question _might_ be worth re-asking, if it is on-topic, and there's reason to think the situation has changed and new answers are now possible (for instance radical new discoveries/developments since)." CreationDate="2023-04-01T11:06:17.153" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28459" PostId="5610" Score="0" Text="This doesn't seem to be a question, nor even opening a discussion, as OP hasn't addressed the comments or answer. For this reason, I'm voting to close." CreationDate="2023-04-13T23:17:38.870" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28460" PostId="5610" Score="0" Text="I’m voting to close this because it is not a question." CreationDate="2023-04-13T23:18:16.277" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28432" PostId="5611" Score="0" Text="Each person defends their point of view as they consider (the owner of the post is a professor who is member of the site for 13 years, and he edits this post as *New contributor* on Meta of MathOverflow). Look at your last post on Meta (in my view as soon you explicited that your words were &quot;to be taken as a joke&quot; the storm of downvotes on your post seem stopped)." CreationDate="2023-04-02T13:50:45.380" UserId="142929" />
  <row Id="28450" PostId="5611" Score="1" Text="To me there is no clear-cut boundary between &quot;precise answer&quot; and &quot;discussion&quot;. To me the answers provided for this questions https://mathoverflow.net/questions/442891/are-there-any-other-examples-where-weak-and-strong-are-confused-in-mathemati&#xA;for instance, seem like a discussion. There is no &quot;precise answer&quot; in this question. There are many answers, hence, a discussion. Yet, the question is allowed." CreationDate="2023-04-09T20:47:05.747" UserId="16046" />
  <row Id="28451" PostId="5611" Score="2" Text="@MahdiMajidi-Zolbanin: The enforcement of rules on MO is less strict than on other Stack Exchange sites. Most of MO's users are researchers or advanced students, therefore mature individuals, and it is reasonable to expect that they have the wisdom to navigate among the rules intelligently and not push the boundaries too much. In other words, MO is not a kindergarten, and its moderators are not a police force. So far this arrangement has worked quite well." CreationDate="2023-04-09T21:01:09.377" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28463" PostId="5611" Score="0" Text="Alex M. — I believe that, regardless of your philosophy of compliance with the &quot;rules&quot; on MO, you are ignoring reality. Many years of reality. Consisting of many fruitful back-and-forth conversations expressed via the comments to an answer here.  I am, by the way, *not at all* suggesting that the written rules be modified. Only that the overeager rules enforcers consider the possibility that they are doing more harm than good." CreationDate="2023-04-14T01:29:01.887" UserId="5484" />
  <row Id="28464" PostId="5611" Score="2" Text="I think it's worth noting, somewhat in the spirit of @DanielAsimov's [comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/comments/28463), that MO is what its community says it is, neither more nor less.  There can be external attempts to guide it, but, if the community rejects or does not follow those guidelines, then they become false statements, not broken rules.  SE as a whole is as you say, but that doesn't mean MO is or, to the extent that it is, it must continue to be.  (I have my own, strong, opinions, but they don't matter except as they are part of an expression of the community's views.)" CreationDate="2023-04-14T14:14:19.447" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28434" PostId="5614" Score="2" Text="For me, it renders correctly also in Chrome. --" CreationDate="2023-04-03T21:47:48.147" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28435" PostId="5614" Score="6" Text="A recent question which seems to be about the same issue: [Did mathcal stop working properly?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5508) Also: [I think there is a Mathjax bug for mathcal typesetting on some platforms](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/384924) on [meta.se] and [Why using \mathcal command produce a square?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/35298) on [math.meta.se]." CreationDate="2023-04-04T03:17:49.193" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28440" PostId="5614" Score="1" Text="Did you perhaps upgrade to macOS Ventura recently?" CreationDate="2023-04-04T08:07:27.133" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28444" PostId="5614" Score="1" Text="Yes I did, this seems connected, is there a workaround?" CreationDate="2023-04-04T13:42:08.047" UserId="7655" />
  <row Id="28445" PostId="5614" Score="5" Text="Does this answer your question? [Did mathcal stop working properly?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5508/did-mathcal-stop-working-properly)" CreationDate="2023-04-04T14:25:59.063" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28446" PostId="5614" Score="0" Text="yes, changing math rendered to anything else worked" CreationDate="2023-04-04T19:25:41.357" UserId="7655" />
  <row Id="28452" PostId="5619" Score="4" Text="In some cases, a single flag can trigger deletion of a 'thank you' comment. I don't know the content of your comment which was deleted, so I don't know if that is likely what to be what happened to your comment, but it is possible that no moderator was involved in its deletion." CreationDate="2023-04-13T18:06:24.090" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28453" PostId="5619" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist It was &quot;This is very interesting, thank you.&quot; which I think is uncontroversial, but I wasn't aware that deletions can happen automatically without moderator intervention; thank you. ;^)" CreationDate="2023-04-13T18:09:20.363" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="28454" PostId="5619" Score="1" Text="Ah, that seems like the kind of short comment that would trigger the auto-deletion mechanism. I commented mainly because you said, &quot;it made me realize that the moderation staff might be taking a harder line stance regarding professionalism&quot;, but maybe you weren't observing any moderator actions, only the auto-deletion mechanism at work." CreationDate="2023-04-13T18:15:26.577" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28455" PostId="5619" Score="2" Text="@TheAmplitwist Indeed, you may be correct! I'm still curious to hear people's opinions on the subject in the title, but agree that the instigating event for me was likely automatic." CreationDate="2023-04-13T18:41:03.513" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="28456" PostId="5619" Score="1" Text="Similar auto-deletions are known to happen in posts that begin with certain salutations." CreationDate="2023-04-13T20:16:14.287" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28457" PostId="5619" Score="18" Text="I hadn't seen that comment flagged in the queue. In my experience, there are a few users who are more than happy to flag old comments (like, really old) as &quot;no longer needed&quot; that I'd rather leave, for the sake of keeping a record of discussion, to show people how friction can be dissipated in a good way, or more generally as a model of good behaviour (including pleasantries!). MO is not StackOverflow, but a largely academic site, and a bit of collegiality goes a long way in showing the good side of what is done here. Ideally in a way that counteracts negative perceptions about grumpy users." CreationDate="2023-04-13T21:19:49.390" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28458" PostId="5619" Score="26" Text="I very much agree with @David. It is sometimes the case that some users are more zealous than others about comments. And since the SE software is somehow rigged against certain types of comments, it may require just one flag to delete. But I think that all of us on the moderating team are very much in favour of keeping the pleasantries approach intact. This is a small community, at the end of the day, and we're all trying to be friendly as much as possible. Saying thank you is a good thing." CreationDate="2023-04-13T21:24:41.547" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28461" PostId="5619" Score="24" Text="I've always felt that some the &quot;rules&quot; regarding comments were inherited from a very different usage on StackOverflow. Here, comments often have quite a bit of intellectual content, and I am opposed to deleting comments just because they are old. I also happen to agree with Alec that pleasanties in the comments are totally fine and should be welcomed." CreationDate="2023-04-14T00:02:20.327" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="28462" PostId="5619" Score="0" Text="@GeraldEdgar, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5619/decorum-vs-professionalism#comment28456_5619), isn't it just that &quot;Hi&quot; at the beginning of a post is auto-deleted (which is still bad!), not that a post beginning with &quot;Hi&quot; is itself auto-deleted?" CreationDate="2023-04-14T00:56:10.580" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28465" PostId="5619" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Yes, only the greeting is removed (though I personally don't consider that to be bad)." CreationDate="2023-04-14T15:52:49.833" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28466" PostId="5619" Score="2" Text="@TheAmplitwist, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5619/decorum-vs-professionalism#comment28465_5619), I did not mean to weigh in on whether greetings were themselves a good idea, only about whether stripping them out *automatically* is a good idea.  I think, in general, non-overrideable regex-based modification may be safely said always to be sometimes wrong.  As @‍GerryMyerson [points out](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/2552), for example, because of this limitation one cannot begin a post by referring to the mathematician Hi Jun Choe." CreationDate="2023-04-14T16:49:37.063" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28468" PostId="5619" Score="2" Text="@LSpice Ah, I see. I do agree that silently stripping away text or markup is bad UX design. This also happens when commenting `@OP` when there is no third participant in the comments under the original poster's post. On the other hand, I don't find the particular example you linked to be convincing, but I should probably take any further comments there, or to chat, to stay on-topic here." CreationDate="2023-04-14T20:14:30.153" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28469" PostId="5619" Score="5" Text="I think &quot;thank you&quot; is, by the dictionary definitions, an expression of gratitude (and also possibly of approval) -- for, say, an answer, a question, shared knowledge, etc. (rather than just a matter of decorum), and I do not see how such an expression can be in any conflict with professionalism. So, I fail to understand how such an expression can be considered less than desirable." CreationDate="2023-04-16T02:54:29.140" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="28471" PostId="5619" Score="0" Text="Is it possible to use the chat to thank users? I seldom use it so I don't know how pinging works there." CreationDate="2023-04-16T20:35:30.253" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28472" PostId="5619" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni I think it would be complicated to use chat for this. You could [invite](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/231545) a user to a chatroom (assuming they have a chat account), but that seems like a lot of effort to only leave a &quot;thank you&quot; comment. You can also find which users are currently pingable in a chatroom by looking at the autocomplete options offered when you type `@` in the chat box." CreationDate="2023-04-17T02:35:55.973" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28473" PostId="5619" Score="2" Text="@AlecRhea I have tried to edit the title; feel free to edit and clarify if you think I have misinterpreted your intentions." CreationDate="2023-04-17T08:42:22.503" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28475" PostId="5619" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I noted that many my old posts now end with my comment saying &quot;You are welcome&quot; without any indication of anyone thanking me for anything :lol: Whoever executed the deletions (be it a human or a machine) definitely didn't try to apply any common sense to the procedure..." CreationDate="2023-04-17T20:24:45.643" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="28479" PostId="5619" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni That is fine; I'm always a fan of a good vs thread, but agree that this title is more relevant to the content of the post. I did want to highlight the delineation between professionalism and decorum as motivators for behavior, but I'm not trying to die on that hill haha." CreationDate="2023-04-18T11:07:21.427" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="28521" PostId="5619" Score="0" Text="I don't understand why a &quot;thank you&quot; comment would be unwelcome..." CreationDate="2023-04-26T05:49:23.573" UserId="13093" />
  <row Id="28476" PostId="5622" Score="3" Text="Since you've mentioned tag synonyms, perhaps this could be tagged ([meta-tag:tag-synonyms]), too. (The [tag-info for tag-synonyms](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/tag-synonyms/info) contains a link to the FAQ post: [What are tag synonyms and merged tags? How do they work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/70710) If you check the [list of tag synonyms](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/synonyms), you can see that most of the synonyms on MO were created by the moderators.)" CreationDate="2023-04-18T04:02:16.253" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28477" PostId="5622" Score="1" Text="You can use `[tag:locales]` to create a direct link to a tag on the main site, e.g. [tag:locales]. (For general knowledge, `meta-tag` should be used if you want to link to a tag on meta, e.g. [meta-tag:tags].)" CreationDate="2023-04-18T06:47:04.853" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28482" PostId="5622" Score="0" Text="Just to clarify, in the proposed tag synonym, some newly created tag would be a master tag? Or is the suggestion to create a synonym where the existing tag (locales) would be a master tag - and some new tags would be added as synonyms?" CreationDate="2023-04-21T10:12:08.617" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28483" PostId="5622" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I'm a bit confused as to what the precise procedure is (and I was hoping someone would enlighten me in their answer… ). I think one would first create, say, `frames-and-locales` as a synonym for (the existing tag) `locales`, and later, *if* usage warrants it, moderators could merge the two tags into one (thereby retagging all questions with `locales` to the new tag)." CreationDate="2023-04-21T12:33:16.577" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="28484" PostId="5622" Score="1" Text="Re: *I was hoping someone would enlighten me*. Well that's why I posted (in the very first comment) a link to the FAQ post with information about the tag synonyms. I tried to mention a few things [in the chatroom related to tagging](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/tag-synonym-locales-and-pointless-topology) - feel free to ping me there if some additional clarification is needed.&#xA;When I asked which one is supposed to be the master tag, I was simply asking whether the tag synonym would be ([tag:locales]) $\to$ ([tag:frames-and-locales]) or the other way round." CreationDate="2023-04-21T14:54:35.737" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28485" PostId="5622" Score="0" Text="Maybe I'll mention just one more thing - since you do not have any answers in the tag (locales), even if this tag were to be the master tag, somebody else has to do the relevant actions in the user interface. (As you can see [here](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/locales/synonyms): &quot;Users with more than 2500 reputation and a total answer score of 5 or more on the tag, can suggest tag synonyms.&quot;) I guess chat would be a better place to discuss technicalities - and it is more important that in this discussion it is clarified what actually has to be done with this tag." CreationDate="2023-04-22T03:42:03.010" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28481" PostId="5623" Score="4" Text="Link to the &quot;Heisenbert answer&quot; by John Sidles: https://mathoverflow.net/a/55093/" CreationDate="2023-04-20T00:42:21.067" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28486" PostId="5624" Score="0" Text="Since nobody posted here any specific suggestion, I have posted at least one as an answer - so that other users can vote and comment to show whether or not they would consider this option reasonable or whether they prefer something else." CreationDate="2023-04-22T05:40:19.550" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28487" PostId="5624" Score="0" Text="One argument in favor of &quot;pointless-topology&quot; is that it might be easier for people new to the subject to remember, since it's a catchy name." CreationDate="2023-04-22T15:22:29.370" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28508" PostId="5624" Score="1" Text="So, to (partially) play the devil's advocate, I've written another answer arguing that `frames-and-locales` is a better name than `pointless-topology`." CreationDate="2023-04-24T16:23:40.420" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="28523" PostId="5624" Score="0" Text="I would love a pointless-analysis tag also." CreationDate="2023-04-26T15:55:25.297" UserId="9471" />
  <row Id="28529" PostId="5624" Score="5" Text="I would find it weird to characterise all questions on frames and locales as `pointfree-topology`. Locales also play roles in topos theory and logic that are not topological in nature." CreationDate="2023-04-27T15:21:25.453" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="28510" PostId="5628" Score="2" Text="You can state it and explicitly ask if it is known. If you ask pretending you don't know the answer, people might feel a little tetchy if they invest time writing an answer then you say &quot;I knew that, but is this known already?&quot; Answers on MO are not infrequently invented on the fly, even when using existing facts. So someone might answer with a &quot;known&quot; fact, but with a novel explanation or viewpoint they themselves hold. That's somewhat different, perhaps, to what you described for the other SE sites. tl;dr Best to ask what you actually need, rather than spring it on people afterwards." CreationDate="2023-04-24T22:37:04.303" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28512" PostId="5628" Score="4" Text="On math.stackexchange one **can** ask questions to which one knows the answer, there's even a way to tell the software that you are going to answer your own question. The intention there is that your question and answer get posted simultaneously. What's considered unacceptable there is posting a question without letting on that you know the answer." CreationDate="2023-04-25T01:33:27.400" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28514" PostId="5628" Score="2" Text="It is not exactly the same question (and it is rather old - people might have changed their views since then), but this question seems a bit related: [&quot;Answer your own question – share your knowledge, Q&amp;A-style&quot;: is there consensus among MO moderators?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1338)" CreationDate="2023-04-25T03:41:10.510" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28517" PostId="5628" Score="1" Text="thanks all for helpful information!" CreationDate="2023-04-25T10:19:20.283" UserId="418782" />
  <row Id="28522" PostId="5628" Score="0" Text="For the possibility of &quot;puzzle questions&quot; in math.se, see https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4233/442  In particular, **state in the question** that you know the answer." CreationDate="2023-04-26T08:41:33.397" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28524" PostId="5628" Score="0" Text="I am rather new to SEs and for sure made etiquette mistakes, for which I apologize, So now if I came up with a (perhaps easy) question and if I do know the (perhaps not best) answer, for sure I should mention both facts, thanks for letting me know, but, on MO SE versus M SE, should I add my answer? It seems to me this takes away innocence of those who (no doubt) would provide better answer or simply reveal my question is a known one." CreationDate="2023-04-27T00:48:41.780" UserId="418782" />
  <row Id="28525" PostId="5629" Score="1" Text="You might be interested to learn (as I was) that Kontsevich thinks the Tate Conjecture (and the Hodge Conjecture) [are actually false!](https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=13475)." CreationDate="2023-04-27T07:13:27.950" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28526" PostId="5629" Score="3" Text="This seems to be mainly about this particular question (rather than closing/reopening in general) - so I guess that the tag ([meta-tag:specific-question]) seems a suitable tag for this question. Tangentially - just as a curiosity - questions that were [closed](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1562753/questions-that-were-closed-most-times?type=10) and [reopened](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1562753/questions-that-were-closed-most-times?type=11) several times." CreationDate="2023-04-27T08:05:00.837" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28527" PostId="5629" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Good point! I'll add that tag." CreationDate="2023-04-27T11:22:07.650" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="28530" PostId="5629" Score="0" Text="@Carl-FredrikNybergBrodda Hi! I voted to reopen too because I agree with your reasoning in the comments there. That said, Jan stated that they now plan to delete the question, see [here](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/445551/tate-conjecture-proved?noredirect=1#comment1150978_445551), so I think reopening/closing it might not be an issue anymore." CreationDate="2023-04-27T20:06:45.803" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="28531" PostId="5629" Score="0" Text="@Emily Even if the question is deleted, a new question could be crafted. Perhaps something along the lines of [What were the main ideas and gaps in Yoichi Miyaoka's attempted proof (1988) of Fermat's Last Theorem?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/213022/)" CreationDate="2023-04-27T20:42:23.210" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28532" PostId="5629" Score="2" Text="If I understand correctly, you cannot vote to close a question twice, so it must have necessarily been a different set of 5." CreationDate="2023-04-27T21:43:39.230" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28534" PostId="5629" Score="3" Text="The OP has now deleted the question." CreationDate="2023-04-28T05:27:58.443" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28543" PostId="5629" Score="9" Text="We need a possibility to cast a clopen vote." CreationDate="2023-05-02T16:19:48.473" UserId="171662" />
  <row Id="28535" PostId="5630" Score="4" Text="The question has now been self-deleted" CreationDate="2023-04-28T08:49:47.937" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28536" PostId="5630" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure you avoid the social implications by just not mentioning them.  Whether or not a proposed solution to a conjecture is correct seems like the kind of thing that should be discussed by the mathematical community and (unf imo) MO may be the best place to do that online.  I don't think asking about specific conjectures is a good substitute if it's a long manuscript." CreationDate="2023-04-28T20:06:55.240" UserId="23648" />
  <row Id="28538" PostId="5631" Score="11" Text="I think that proof-of-work is a much better name for the tag that is less likely to attract the kind of insanity that seems to follow cryptocurrency." CreationDate="2023-05-01T15:26:22.043" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="28539" PostId="5631" Score="5" Text="Since proof-of-work protocols are cryptographic protocols, we may want to consider using the tag 'cryptography' instead of 'proof-of-work'." CreationDate="2023-05-01T16:30:07.530" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="28587" PostId="5631" Score="2" Text="I understand that cryptocurrencies have been controversial and have unfortunately attracted too many bad actors. But there are several StackExchange sites dedicated to cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin, Ethereum, Cryptography, so we should also be **welcoming** to cryptocurrency enthusiasts who ask high quality questions for this site. Those other SE sites are not full of low quality posts, so I doubt that a cryptocurrency tag will attract too many low quality users." CreationDate="2023-05-23T15:26:10.473" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="29313" PostId="5631" Score="1" Text="Instead of disparaging users of cryptocurrency, it would be much better to **innovate** and help create better cryptocurrency technologies." CreationDate="2023-11-27T12:08:33.283" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="28540" PostId="5632" Score="4" Text="&quot;We can therefore conclude that the tag [tag:bitcoins] refers to the plural of 'bitcoin'&quot; I think concluding anything from the (lack of) capitalisation of tags is meaningless, given that all tags are all lower-case (cf. e.g. [tag:erdos])." CreationDate="2023-05-01T20:37:51.357" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="28541" PostId="5632" Score="3" Text="I made my conclusion based on how the tag is plural rather than singular instead of on the lack of capitalization. There is only one Bitcoin blockchain. Every other blockchain will have its own name. And the 's' at the end of 'bitcoins' indicates plurality which means that the tag 'bitcoins' is referring to the monetary unit worth about 30,000 USD today rather than the blockchain itself." CreationDate="2023-05-01T20:53:04.183" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="28542" PostId="5633" Score="3" Text="We are reworking some of the citation helper. Thanks for reporting, we'll look into that." CreationDate="2023-05-02T12:28:55.130" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28550" PostId="5633" Score="1" Text="This happens to me repeatedly as well (usually pointing to works I have cited before; not sure if it is because I manually add DOI's). Some affected books are Fulton's *Intersection theory*, Hartshorne's *Algebraic geometry*, Neukirch's *Algebraic number theory*, Beauville's *Complex algebraic surfaces*, Katz's *Review of $\ell$-adic cohomology*, Goerss–Jardine's *Simplicial homotopy theory*, and (many authors') *FGA Explained*. These examples are all from the past three weeks." CreationDate="2023-05-06T22:12:57.897" UserId="82179" />
  <row Id="28544" PostId="5634" Score="1" Text="So shouldn’t it be `[ [&quot;$&quot;, &quot;$&quot;], [&quot;\(&quot;,&quot;\)&quot;] ]` instead?" CreationDate="2023-05-04T11:34:19.837" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28562" PostId="5634" Score="1" Text="Awesome find!  I've always wondered about this.  It seems to me like it's worth promoting to a bug report of its own." CreationDate="2023-05-10T01:16:24.163" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28545" PostId="5635" Score="2" Text="As far as I see, Thurston has only one deleted answer and that seems unrelated (also, the corresponding question is not deleted)." CreationDate="2023-05-06T10:06:41.873" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28546" PostId="5635" Score="1" Text="I will just ask whether you tried [searching using user:9062 is:a](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=user%3A9062+is%3Aa+manifold+fundamental+group+arithmetic) together with some reasonable keywords. (Most likely you did - still I asked.)" CreationDate="2023-05-06T10:14:12.013" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28547" PostId="5635" Score="2" Text="Now that a mod says that there isn't a deleted fulfilling these criteria this is moot, still I'll mention that one could check [deleted questions](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/883845/deleted-questions-with-a-given-tag?Tagname=3-manifolds) or [deleted answers](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1748477/deleted-answers-to-non-deleted-questions-in-a-given-tag?tagname=3-manifolds) in a specific tag - but here regular users cannot restrict this by the post owner. (Mods can search among the deleted posts.)" CreationDate="2023-05-06T10:14:25.647" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28548" PostId="5635" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak - Thank you - your search gives exactly what I was looking for.  My eyes must have past over it several times. (Somehow?!?!)" CreationDate="2023-05-06T12:23:07.827" UserId="1650" />
  <row Id="28549" PostId="5635" Score="1" Text="Hmm.  Do I delete _my_ meta-question now?" CreationDate="2023-05-06T12:27:19.857" UserId="1650" />
  <row Id="28551" PostId="5635" Score="1" Text="Concerning your comment asking whether to delete this question, I am not sure what is the best option. (Let's hope someone else might chime in.)&#xA;A single deleted questoin certainly doesn't contribute that much to the possibility of [post ban](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/post-ban). (Aecdotal evidence suggests that it is rather difficult to get a question but on meta.)&#xA;I don't think people will object if you leave the question here. I don't think that people will object too much if you delete it after some time." CreationDate="2023-05-07T05:01:30.357" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28552" PostId="5635" Score="2" Text="Possibly you could post a self-answer explaining that it is possible to search using the modifier `user:userid` - which would make this Q&amp;A useful for the users unaware of this. &#xA;At the same time, this is [in the help canter](https://mathoverflow.net/help/searching) and there are some posts on this meta about this - such as: [Keyword Search of the User's own (my own) questions or answers](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4221)." CreationDate="2023-05-07T05:01:37.133" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28553" PostId="5636" Score="3" Text="You can accept your own answer, if you like, and that will make the system a little happier. If desired, a mod (edit: or you) can make this answer CW, to reflect the fact it was more-or-less an answer in the comments, and this merely summarises them." CreationDate="2023-05-08T08:08:47.037" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28554" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the suggestion - I made the answer CW and accepted it." CreationDate="2023-05-08T12:48:47.427" UserId="1650" />
  <row Id="28555" PostId="5637" Score="1" Text="Regarding the bonus question, it might be a weird Markdown/MathJax interaction, where first the Markdown processor treats two backslashes as one escaped backslash, so not MathJax can't find the linebreak points. It happens occasionally to me, especially if my internet connection is unstable. There are some [related](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/387653) [posts](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/387100) on Meta SE, and I'm sure also on Math SE, but no real fix." CreationDate="2023-05-09T22:11:13.917" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28558" PostId="5637" Score="1" Text="Both versions of the comment throw the same error when I try to post them, yet you were obviously able to post the first version. Not quite sure what's going on. In fact, any comment that I write with two arbitrarily placed `@` symbols throws the same error, so it might not have anything to do with `AMScd` per se." CreationDate="2023-05-09T22:27:32.480" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28559" PostId="5637" Score="0" Text="Are the morphisms in your category isometries?  Otherwise, I'm not sure why the category is left cancellative.  If so, then it's surely more or less diagram chasing that the pullback of $\require{AMScd}\begin{CD} V' @&gt;f'&gt;&gt; V \end{CD}$ and $\begin{CD} V'' @&gt;f''&gt;&gt; V \end{CD}$ is $$\begin{CD} f'(V') \cap f''(V'') @&gt;f^{\prime\,{-1}}&gt;&gt; V' \\ @Vf^{\prime\prime\,{-1}}VV @VVf'V \\ V'' @&gt;f''&gt;&gt; V. \end{CD}$$" CreationDate="2023-05-09T23:24:06.720" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28560" PostId="5637" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28558), the first comment doesn't post even if you copy and paste it exactly as written?  I tried [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5637/some-arrows-in-commutative-diagrams-in-coments-are-wrongly-interpreted-as-noti#comment28559_5637) to see if it was some temporary glitch, and it posted without trouble.  I can't imagine why it would post for me and not for you ….  (Well, on this post, because I'm the author, maybe, but that wasn't the case on the main-site post.)" CreationDate="2023-05-09T23:25:55.827" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28564" PostId="5637" Score="1" Text="Ah, I was able to post the first comment just now on my MacBook. I had earlier tried and failed to post via my iPhone. Perhaps something went wrong in copying the right comment on the iPhone's small screen." CreationDate="2023-05-10T05:14:07.637" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28566" PostId="5638" Score="5" Text="Probably it is worth checking the post on [meta.se] - in particular Glorfindel's answer: [Imgur TOS change on May 15th 2023 could cause the loss of thousands of Stack Exchange images!](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/388556)&#xA;There is somewhat related question on this meta; but it got no response: [What is the status of the imgur images on MathOverflow?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5551)" CreationDate="2023-05-13T03:24:55.883" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28872" PostId="5638" Score="0" Text="Based on Glorfindel's work, over the weekend [we updated around 200K image URLs across the network](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/391417/165455). There is still work to do, but that was the bulk of it." CreationDate="2023-07-20T11:52:24.667" UserId="500422" />
  <row Id="28568" PostId="5639" Score="2" Text="As [mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/imgur-images-on-mo), the two links marked as &quot;uncertainties&quot; seem to actually be links to videos." CreationDate="2023-05-13T16:57:47.017" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28574" PostId="5639" Score="1" Text="I suggest striking out the posts that have been dealt with (or don't need it, like the last one), as they get fixed." CreationDate="2023-05-17T06:20:16.863" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28575" PostId="5639" Score="1" Text="For 1. It's screenshots from this paper: Matas, A., Merker, J. Existence of weak solutions to doubly degenerate diffusion equations. Appl Math 57, 43–69 (2012). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10492-012-0004-0, as indicated in the post, and I believe the last, missing image might be the top half of the eighth page, the last bit of the proof of Lemma 2.1. The Wayback machine doesn't have a copy of the missing image. And the springer.com link to the paper should really be a doi link, when it gets edited" CreationDate="2023-05-17T06:27:06.513" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28576" PostId="5639" Score="0" Text="For 2., the first gif still exists, the other two imgur links are broken. Haven't checked the Wayback machine" CreationDate="2023-05-17T06:29:22.867" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28577" PostId="5639" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts Generally, [strikethrough is not accessible with screen readers](https://veroniiiica.com/tips-for-censoring-text-with-accessibility-in-mind/), so it's best to avoid it if not absolutely necessary." CreationDate="2023-05-17T11:59:05.797" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28578" PostId="5639" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts The other two GIFs in 2. are not in the Wayback Machine (the table mentions &quot;Not found in Wayback Machine&quot; for these two entries, too)." CreationDate="2023-05-17T12:04:53.070" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28579" PostId="5639" Score="3" Text="@Amplitwist fair enough. Having a big &quot;DONE&quot; on each finished item (or similar) will help, though, so people can know quickly how many still need attention." CreationDate="2023-05-18T04:48:22.087" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28597" PostId="5643" Score="1" Text="If you wished to restore your old gravatar, you could possibly download it from e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20160926205000im_/https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/9361a13cf042c0091a1f6164377cd67b?s=328&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=PG&amp;f=1, and then upload it to mathoverflow.net as your profile image." CreationDate="2023-05-25T22:40:11.953" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="28598" PostId="5643" Score="1" Text="@jeq But is that safe? From what I understand, it can leak my e-mail or some data like that. (And, actually, if the old gravatars are permanently backed up on the internet archive the damage may already be done.)" CreationDate="2023-05-25T22:51:12.693" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28599" PostId="5643" Score="1" Text="I believe it the _file name_ of the gravatar which is derived from your e-mail address. So you could change it before uploading--but stackexchange is unlikely to preserve this. But it might be possible to derive info from the pixels! And the Wayback Machine has been mentioned in this comment: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389123/were-regenerating-all-gravatar-identicons#comment1297707_389123." CreationDate="2023-05-26T01:15:56.270" UserId="16302" />
  <row Id="28600" PostId="5643" Score="3" Text="&quot;light blue, a color I have never seen&quot; Quick, did you have a new experience when seeing it for the first time? (if yes, then we can [prove that qualia exist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_argument) :-)" CreationDate="2023-05-26T13:30:02.640" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="28584" PostId="5645" Score="8" Text="One could propose the conjecture with zero mention of GPT, and it wouldn't change the mathematics. At best, one might mention it in passing in a comment, not put it in the title. Or even just say &quot;I was playing around with some software and the statement of this conjecture was generated&quot;. Unless the question is about the mathematics (and the research-level mathematics) of LLMs, I'm not sure how that piece of information helps rather than creates unnecessary noise (and attracts chatbots-are-a-novelty-only upvotes from passers by)." CreationDate="2023-05-23T09:10:28.133" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28585" PostId="5645" Score="4" Text="I think the circumstance that a question has been created by particular means neither contributes to making it on-topic nor to making it off-topic. What matters is solely the question as such itself." CreationDate="2023-05-23T14:30:24.520" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="28588" PostId="5645" Score="3" Text="I must admit that in the comments I have lapsed into arguing about GPT. I should probably have exercised greater self control, but I feel quite strongly against some of the GPT hype. As a practical matter, comments can't be downvoted, so there is always a ratchet effect where comments that attract casual passers-by get signal-boosted" CreationDate="2023-05-23T15:40:05.827" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28589" PostId="5645" Score="5" Text="There have been periods in the pre-GPT era where certain users liked to &quot;spam&quot; MathOverflow with number theory questions that had elementary statements. I wasn't keen on those either, quite independently of whether they were generated by human enquiry or a set of dice or a chatbot." CreationDate="2023-05-23T15:41:12.490" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28590" PostId="5645" Score="8" Text="The question has been asked by a known MO user. If the same question were asked by a new user who is not well-known by the mathematics community, then I believe that the question would have been closed." CreationDate="2023-05-23T15:53:21.073" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="28591" PostId="5645" Score="3" Text="&quot;LLM&quot;? Life-Like Machine? Large Loss of Money? Low-Level Meltdown? Lake Louise Magpies? Master of Law (at Sydney University, https://www.unsw.edu.au/study/postgraduate/master-of-laws)?" CreationDate="2023-05-23T22:58:37.540" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28592" PostId="5645" Score="9" Text="@GerryMyerson Large Language Model." CreationDate="2023-05-24T00:15:23.980" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28593" PostId="5645" Score="4" Text="@YemonChoi I share your feelings about GPT hype, but attributing a conjecture to GPT doesn't necessarily attribute sentience to GPT, any more than attributing a conjecture to [Graffiti](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(program)) or a proof to [Shalosh B. Ekhad](https://sites.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/ekhad.html) attributes sentience to a machine. It's just an issue of documenting one's methods." CreationDate="2023-05-24T02:17:17.693" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28594" PostId="5645" Score="2" Text="Probably it will be useful to go back to this post in case we get multiple such posts. For the moment, this post is a first one and was a bit popular because this made a curiosity. However, this post exhibits a conjecture which takes a standard conjecture (variant of Goldbach) and artificially specifies it to even squares (instead of arbitrary even numbers). After several such posts there will be no more curiosity and I guess they will be quickly closed." CreationDate="2023-05-24T07:42:07.267" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28595" PostId="5645" Score="1" Text="It seems to me that chatGPT is a text generator. With the beginning of a text, it generates a sequel which is the most probable sequence of words. When the beginning of the text is a question, the most probable sequence of words is a sequence of words which looks like an answer for us. Hence all hallucinations that this so-called &quot;artificial intelligence&quot; has. However, sometimes, it may give (by chance, and I guess rarely) something interesting. In this case, why not post it ?" CreationDate="2023-05-24T07:48:20.160" UserId="24563" />
  <row Id="28636" PostId="5645" Score="1" Text="We should not have a policy toward posts related to GPT now.&#xA;Let it be now.&#xA;We can wait for one year to see ......" CreationDate="2023-05-31T04:44:48.737" UserId="505921" />
  <row Id="28649" PostId="5645" Score="1" Text="I appreciate this conversatioon highlighting that the *content* of the question is what's being evaluated, not the origin. I think that coming from a generative language model can not, in principle, add to or detract from mathematical interest." CreationDate="2023-06-02T11:58:43.647" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="28651" PostId="5645" Score="1" Text="I asked ChatGPT to prove $\pi$ is irrational, and it gave an argument saying that if $a^2 = \pi^2 b^2$ (with $a,b\in\mathbb Z$), then $a^2$ is divisible by $\pi,$ and then going on to cite Lindemann's theorem that $\pi$ is transcendental, and using that to show $0=\pi^2 b^2$ so that $b=0,$ etc. ChatGPT's answers are often total nonsense. ChatGPT also told me that Moses Robinson had represented Vermont in the U.S. House of Representatives in 1789 through 1791. This overlooks the fact that Vermont had not yet been admitted to the Union at that time and Robinson never served in the House." CreationDate="2023-06-02T17:06:46.377" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="28652" PostId="5645" Score="1" Text=". . . on the other hand, when I asked ChatGPT to explain the anomalous outer automorphism of $S_6,$ its answer was truthful and in other ways appropriate." CreationDate="2023-06-02T17:07:58.673" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="28654" PostId="5645" Score="2" Text="Technically speaking, at least according to the title of a MetaSO post, [ChatGPT is banned](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/421831/temporary-policy-chatgpt-is-banned), and, according to the first sentence of that post, &quot;Use of ChatGPT generated text for content on Stack Overflow is temporarily banned.&quot;  This seems to indicate that we don't need any such policy, because it is (at least temporarily) already covered.  (In practice, it seems that the ban is only intended to be enforced on AI-generated content that is not explicitly identified as such.)" CreationDate="2023-06-03T10:45:34.270" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28660" PostId="5645" Score="2" Text="@LSpice watch this space re (moderating) AI content." CreationDate="2023-06-05T08:24:02.113" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28628" PostId="5646" Score="1" Text="Where is that quote of Gauss from?" CreationDate="2023-05-29T14:51:07.763" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="28629" PostId="5646" Score="4" Text="It's from a letter to Olbers. I googled to get the phrasing and used the wording from https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/952960-i-confess-that-author-fermat-380281-s-theorem-as-an-isolated-proposition-has . I haven't been able to find a copy of the original, although several sources give  March 21, 1816 as the date of the letter, and I have found some different translations online. @Kimball" CreationDate="2023-05-29T15:53:51.813" UserId="297" />
  <row Id="28648" PostId="5646" Score="1" Text="I like the attitude of &quot;waiting until the multitude arrives before we make a policy.&quot; Not crossing bridges before coming to them is wise." CreationDate="2023-06-02T11:52:43.503" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="28650" PostId="5646" Score="2" Text="@David A transcription of the original letter can be found here: https://gauss.adw-goe.de/handle/gauss/816" CreationDate="2023-06-02T12:48:39.263" UserId="85570" />
  <row Id="28601" PostId="5651" Score="1" Text="No way I can form an opinion on this without seeing the post in question. Can you provide a link?" CreationDate="2023-05-26T21:50:46.987" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28605" PostId="5651" Score="2" Text="[Here](https://mathoverflow.net/a/447427/2926) you go, Alec. It's been undeleted now." CreationDate="2023-05-26T22:17:37.347" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="28606" PostId="5651" Score="2" Text="Please note that there was broader community response to the answer than just (one of the) mods taking the final step, with various users flagging (and downvoting), and also voting to delete the answer. I think I get the intent of your answer: there are people who consider category theory barely &quot;real&quot; mathematics, and similarly, one can easily find discussions of eg the Replacement axiom not actually being used for &quot;real&quot; mathematics (guilty as charged, but I prefer the term &quot;generic mathematics&quot; now), implying that its core role in ZF(C) and friends isn't real mathematics." CreationDate="2023-05-27T00:29:16.733" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28607" PostId="5651" Score="0" Text="But these points perhaps could have been made about combinatorics in the mid-late 20th C, when it was apparently looked down on by &quot;serious&quot; mathematicians and the prestigious journals. It's a matter of degree, and attitudes of groups of people, not epistemic status in the field as a whole. Labelling the whole of set theory, for instance, as only debateably mathematics, throws out many babies wit the bathwater, rather than seeing logic and set theory as a continuum ranging from philosophy to purely mathematics." CreationDate="2023-05-27T00:32:49.180" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28608" PostId="5652" Score="1" Text="&quot;When a post (question or answer) garners so many downvotes, it is customary on Stack Exchange sites for it to be deleted.&quot; This isn't quite right. For instance, see the [FAQ](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/5222) on deletion at Meta SE, which says, &quot;Answers that are wrong or that dispense poor advice should be downvoted, not deleted.&quot; There is no need to delete Alec Rhea's [answer](https://mathoverflow.net/a/447427); part of the reason why a thread is made community wiki is so that users may vote freely on the expressed opinions without worrying about the cost in reputation points to anyone." CreationDate="2023-05-27T07:55:18.700" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28609" PostId="5652" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist: I did not say that it is *mandatory* to delete downvoted answers, this is a deformation of my words. I only said that it is *customary* to delete them." CreationDate="2023-05-27T12:52:27.133" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28610" PostId="5652" Score="0" Text="Sure, though I don't see where I said or implied that you meant it is &quot;mandatory&quot; to do so." CreationDate="2023-05-27T13:10:49.040" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28611" PostId="5652" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist: *&quot;There is no need to delete Alec Rhea's answer&quot;* - for me, &quot;need&quot; is an imperative." CreationDate="2023-05-27T13:30:30.563" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28612" PostId="5652" Score="0" Text="Your objection is completely opaque to me, but I will be disengaging from this conversation. I don't get the sense that it's going to be productive to continue." CreationDate="2023-05-27T15:02:10.447" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28613" PostId="5652" Score="2" Text="Hi Alex; for the record, I personally think category theory and set theory are some of the most interesting fields of mathematics, which is why almost all of my posts on this site have to do with those topics. I wasn't proposing that I don't think category theory or set theory are 'mathematics proper', but rather that this opinion is implicit somewhere in the established mathematical world as evidenced by the data mentioned in my answer. I'll edit the answer to clarify in just a bit, but wanted to head things off at the pass here in case it is re-deleted as you suggest (and as may be likely)." CreationDate="2023-05-27T18:53:03.160" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="28626" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="Actually making the changes might be a bit subtle, but let's not worry about the technicalities of that." CreationDate="2023-05-28T07:46:39.713" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28627" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="This is fine as far as I'm concerned, although I suspect a vast majority of the (already not very numerous) questions using one of these two tags would use the other. (But since most of these questions don't have a large number of tags anyway, it shouldn't be a problem.)" CreationDate="2023-05-28T08:55:40.500" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="28646" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="I will add a link to [a conversation in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/the-tags-pointfree-topology-and-locales-and-frames-again) - just in case some stuff mentioned there might be useful for people interested in these tags." CreationDate="2023-06-02T07:34:02.687" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29028" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="@Gro-Tsen I see that you have [created a tag called (frames-and-locales)](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/the-tag-frames-and-locales). Is the intention to make ([tag:locales]) and ([tag:frames]) synonyms of this tag, as suggested in David Roberts' answer?" CreationDate="2023-08-25T04:40:55.447" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29029" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes, “locales” at least. For “frames” it doesn't seem necessary because I don't believe anyone would think of using that word alone." CreationDate="2023-08-25T08:21:24.417" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="29377" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="@Gro-Tsen Would you perhaps be able to create a short [tag-info for frames-and-locales](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/frames-and-locales/info)?&#xA;Considering the fact that a tag which has only one question and no tag-info is [automatically removed after 6 months](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/127700) - for ([tag:frames-and-locales]) this would happen in February. (Alternatively, one could add the tag to another question - if there are at least two questions, the tag is not removed by the script.)" CreationDate="2023-12-23T09:52:35.447" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29378" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thanks for pointing this out. I created a tag info and tagged a few of my own questions on the subject." CreationDate="2023-12-23T10:20:59.507" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="28631" PostId="5661" Score="11" Text="Related posts on Meta SE: (1) [We are graduating the updated button styling for vote arrows](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/389359); (2) [How do I change vote arrow buttons back?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/389564)" CreationDate="2023-05-30T17:55:02.283" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28632" PostId="5661" Score="0" Text="The Stylus code in the answer to the second post linked by @TheAmplitwist works perfectly for me." CreationDate="2023-05-30T22:15:18.947" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="28638" PostId="5661" Score="3" Text="@StevenLandsburg: indeed it works very well, but now I use 3 different browser add-ons/extensions just to preserve the good ol' MO functionality, style, and feel I love and cherish." CreationDate="2023-05-31T16:34:34.563" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="28640" PostId="5661" Score="4" Text="@M.G. :  I thoroughly share your annoyance." CreationDate="2023-05-31T21:06:39.957" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="28643" PostId="5661" Score="4" Text="@StevenLandsburg The way this question is phrased, OP is asking if there is a way for the whole site (MO) to opt out of the redesign, not for single users to override it. If that is not the case, I invite OP to clarify." CreationDate="2023-06-01T09:03:16.370" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28644" PostId="5661" Score="4" Text="@FedericoPoloni: indeed I am asking if there is a possibility for the whole site to opt out since (1) IIRC MO has a special arrangement with the SE network and (2) many SE sites have custom designs (though maybe not to the extent of things like upvote/downvote buttons)." CreationDate="2023-06-01T10:11:21.313" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="28645" PostId="5661" Score="4" Text="@M.G.  For a long time, tex.stackexchange had custom upvote/downvote buttons." CreationDate="2023-06-01T12:06:11.653" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="28647" PostId="5661" Score="2" Text="@StevenLandsburg we still do if you install tampermonkey or use a style, see on our TeX Meta discussion here the scripts: [Changing vote buttons back to pen nibs](https://tex.meta.stackexchange.com/q/10080). I currently have them and they look nice ([on imgur here](https://imgur.com/a/dYrCKw1)), you all on this site could change the image to something of your choosing if you wished (make sure to modify the `@match` line to the math overflow urls) :)" CreationDate="2023-06-02T11:20:57.373" UserId="498970" />
  <row Id="28655" PostId="5661" Score="4" Text="The design of meta voting buttons has been changed so at least now it's obvious if one has voted." CreationDate="2023-06-03T11:07:17.670" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28657" PostId="5661" Score="1" Text="At least the coloring makes it obvious on MO, [unlike MSE](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/35751/127263). I have mild personal preference for the old design but on the whole don't mind this change much." CreationDate="2023-06-04T12:42:14.140" UserId="30186" />
  <row Id="28653" PostId="5666" Score="4" Text="I am someone who usually has heated feelings about changes, but finds this one … well, it's not an addition, it's just meaningless UI churn (except maybe it has some positive accessibility impact?), but it's not offensive and, as you say, doesn't change anything important about the functionality. Nonetheless, since this discussion is about a site-wide change, any complexity would be a one-time thing on the part of the MO staff, not a per-user cost in time; and, more or less by definition, anyone who hasn't noticed the change one way wouldn't notice a change back, and so wouldn't be hurt by it." CreationDate="2023-06-02T22:22:25.780" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28656" PostId="5666" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Positioning in web pages is a tricky art, unfortunately, so it is likely that reverting this change will bring in more future positioning glitches, especially when more things are changed in future. SE significantly reduced the amount of customization sites can get a few years ago, and the main argument was exactly that the CSS was hell to maintain." CreationDate="2023-06-04T07:39:04.880" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28658" PostId="5666" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni, [right](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5661/opt-out-of-the-new-upvote-downvote-buttons/5666#comment28656_5666), I'm not claiming that this would be easy, just pointing out that it wouldn't be a per-user cost." CreationDate="2023-06-04T16:55:12.867" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28659" PostId="5666" Score="2" Text="@LSpice But you also claimed that it is a one-time cost: I was replying to that. There is significant cost over time in supporting multiple layouts within SE." CreationDate="2023-06-05T06:42:07.113" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28661" PostId="5667" Score="18" Text="I have signed the letter." CreationDate="2023-06-05T14:27:21.673" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28662" PostId="5667" Score="18" Text="I've signed too." CreationDate="2023-06-05T14:45:32.587" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="28663" PostId="5667" Score="7" Text="Let me note that &quot;a group of moderators&quot; sits, at time of commenting, at 82, together with a number of very high-profile former moderators (eg Shog9, who has 439k rep on the network-wide meta.SE, some may remember from days past). It also includes the people who run certain key pieces of software that helps keep the place tidy, _and_ the software itself." CreationDate="2023-06-05T14:49:45.723" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28664" PostId="5667" Score="18" Text="in this thread from a few years ago https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4368/19860, the answer by Tim Campion suggests that MO should take some steps to assert its independence from SE. this seems like a good time to think more about such options" CreationDate="2023-06-05T16:37:54.590" UserId="19860" />
  <row Id="28666" PostId="5667" Score="7" Text="An inability to crack down on AI-generated nonsense would ruin MO, and I would second @ziggurism in suggesting that, if this policy from the higher ups at StackExchange is not reversed, MO should simply assert its independence." CreationDate="2023-06-06T01:32:34.270" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28673" PostId="5667" Score="1" Text="“…and emblematically, some policy changes our understanding is that we shouldn't speak about publicly.” Sorry, I’m not quite parsing this - do you mean there are policy changes you should not speak about publicly (this is what I suspect you mean), or that the policy change is that you shouldn’t speak publicly about policy changes in general?" CreationDate="2023-06-06T11:50:39.673" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="28674" PostId="5667" Score="3" Text="@Carl-FredrikNybergBrodda I mean there are policy changes coming down the road which I believe we aren't supposed to speak about publicly yet, and more generally there's quite a bit of frustration with SE leadership making public statements which don't really match what moderators have experienced or what they've told us.   See, for example, here: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389824/dear-se-please-stop-disparaging-the-moderators-in-the-press" CreationDate="2023-06-06T14:34:01.350" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="28675" PostId="5667" Score="6" Text="@SamHopkins I understand the impulse, but I do want you to think hard about the word &quot;simply&quot; there. It will not be simple at all.  I don't think we're close to the point where we would decide to go our own way, but obviously, it remains a possibility should things really go downhill." CreationDate="2023-06-06T14:44:18.940" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="28676" PostId="5667" Score="3" Text="@BenWebster Does &quot;asserting [MO's] independence&quot; necessarily mean going our own way? Are MO's moderators bound by SE's policy decisions, or can MO assert independence with regard to policy while staying on the network?" CreationDate="2023-06-06T15:17:18.250" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="28677" PostId="5667" Score="0" Text="@YoavKallus That was what I understood the phrase to mean, but I agree that's not the only meaning it could have.  Of course, we (both the moderators and high-rep users) are going to use our own judgement about moderation, which is a form of asserting our independence.  But some things about the underlying function of the site, we cannot change without leaving the StackExchange network." CreationDate="2023-06-06T15:22:28.360" UserId="66" />
  <row Id="28678" PostId="5667" Score="6" Text="The linked answer by Tim Campion didn't call for leaving the StackExchange network, go our own way. Instead it suggested just to assert independence by writing a separate CoC and declaring it, not the SE CoC, to hold on MO. And to make a declaration about whether SE imposed mod firings.&#xA;&#xA;In the current context, we may also want to impose different rules about AI generated answers than SE.&#xA;&#xA;Those would be good steps to take, even if the more drastic step of leaving the network isn't necessarily going to happen." CreationDate="2023-06-06T15:59:19.643" UserId="19860" />
  <row Id="28679" PostId="5667" Score="12" Text="This post by the mod team at Physics SE is an example of what it might mean to assert independence from SE oversight/control: https://physics.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/14438/physics-se-remains-a-site-by-humans-for-humans" CreationDate="2023-06-06T17:25:59.080" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28687" PostId="5667" Score="6" Text="I've signed...." CreationDate="2023-06-08T12:47:21.693" UserId="2362" />
  <row Id="28758" PostId="5667" Score="0" Text="I have Signed! :)" CreationDate="2023-06-17T01:31:00.853" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="28750" PostId="5668" Score="2" Text="I certainly want to support you in the strike, so shall do as you suggest and not comment, vote etc.  (I would have done this earlier if I had realised.) I notice that you don't recommend users abstain from asking or answering questions though, and this is also not specifically recommended in the FAQ at the end of the open letter. Just for my own interest, what is the thinking here?" CreationDate="2023-06-14T12:22:57.160" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="28809" PostId="5668" Score="1" Text="@NickGill - Curation of your own posts (questions and answers) is not moderation; it is content creation.  Other systematic volunteer contributions to the quality of the site are viewed as community moderation, even if not performed with the involvement of an elected moderator." CreationDate="2023-06-25T16:39:01.883" UserId="21163" />
  <row Id="28810" PostId="5668" Score="1" Text="The ratio between the volume of content creation and the volume of moderation is supposed to determine the resulting site content quality somehow.  Site quality can stabilize at anything between the dominance of neat and tidy computer generated babble or of insightful answers.  That's the theory for some." CreationDate="2023-06-25T16:39:04.417" UserId="21163" />
  <row Id="28812" PostId="5668" Score="0" Text="Thanks @JirkaHanika, that's helpful." CreationDate="2023-06-26T07:28:37.147" UserId="801" />
  <row Id="28665" PostId="5669" Score="8" Text="Please note Tim Campion's answer here: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4373/4177 (written before he was elected moderator) and some of the general ideas it contains. The specific suggestions were in response to the biggest problems back then, but the idea of thinking hard about the [migration agreement](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-Rx93qiEH3t9wAwsyvuVzjawF62X6OgI/view) is a good one." CreationDate="2023-06-06T00:26:47.600" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28667" PostId="5669" Score="11" Text="This is not directly responsive to the question (hence a comment, not an answer) but I expect that there are many (including me) who would be happy to contribute financially to the acquisition and support of the necessary infrastructure if, after much discussion, there was something like a consensus that moving is a good idea." CreationDate="2023-06-06T02:11:37.623" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="28668" PostId="5669" Score="10" Text="It would be good to know how &quot;seamless&quot; vs. &quot;messy&quot; divorcing from SE would be, from a purely technical point of view. I understand that MO owns its &quot;data,&quot; but would the website and software largely continue to work? Would it go down for hours... days...?" CreationDate="2023-06-06T03:01:16.167" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28669" PostId="5669" Score="7" Text="@Sam Hopkins asked about the software. There was a bit related question here on meta - it got basically no response, if we do not count a few comments: [Is there a software solution if we do cut the cord from SE?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4431) Since one of the above comments mentioned financial contributions, I will include link to the previous post on this topic: [Donations to MathOverflow, Inc](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3454)." CreationDate="2023-06-06T04:29:42.450" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28670" PostId="5669" Score="2" Text="The first comment links to the migration agreement. For the benefit of people who cannot access it on Google Drive, here is a link to the post on this meta containing the same text: [What is MathOverflow's &quot;agreement&quot; with Stack Exchange?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4429)" CreationDate="2023-06-06T04:57:38.177" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28680" PostId="5669" Score="7" Text="If it were time to migrate away from StackExchange, I would be wondering about the prospect of migrating to Monica Cellio's Codidact platform. Would it be technically possible, and would that migration have the support of the community? Or would MO have to roll their own software and server infrastructure?" CreationDate="2023-06-07T03:32:01.507" UserId="19860" />
  <row Id="28685" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="I totally lack any information about something crucial here: what are the SE trends that might be harmful (a) for MO and (b) maybe not for MO as an entity but still harmful in some global sense" CreationDate="2023-06-08T04:57:13.463" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="28686" PostId="5669" Score="7" Text="@მამუკა The current management have not been making life easy for moderators, and imposing policy that moderators feel will degrade the quality of sites on th network, including MO. We are not thinking of leaving at this time. But the question is to slowly collate a consensus, if at all, what would happen to make us want to actually leave. That is, what do _you_ think are things that SE might do that would be the line in the sand?" CreationDate="2023-06-08T07:33:21.753" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28690" PostId="5669" Score="14" Text="Getting rid of the data dumps and doing so secretly with no discussion may well cross the line for me. https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389922/june-2023-data-dump-is-missing" CreationDate="2023-06-10T02:26:08.050" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="28694" PostId="5669" Score="3" Text="Not super on topic, but I have database and website design experience and would be happy to help if it ever becomes necessary." CreationDate="2023-06-10T16:27:56.473" UserId="20460" />
  <row Id="28697" PostId="5669" Score="6" Text="To me, one of the thresholds triggering the &quot;nuclear option&quot; would be SE firing one or more MO mods (the current agreement between MO and SE does not make it clear if SE can do so)." CreationDate="2023-06-11T04:02:58.647" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="28744" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="Contrary to the most upvoted answer here, I believe the better answer to the title is: **about 4 years ago**, after the Monica scandal." CreationDate="2023-06-13T16:03:21.973" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="28745" PostId="5669" Score="5" Text="For the average user (like myself) I have found it difficult to get a clear overview of all issues, especially things along the lines of those mentioned by @DavidRoberts (e.g. &quot;the current management have not been making life easy for moderators&quot;; this is knowledge difficult to convey to the average user). I understand that there are many layers of this not visible to me, and so I feel somewhat hesitant towards the idea of a general vote for an MOExit. However, I have total faith in our current moderators, having directly voted for them in the past, and I will support them and their decision." CreationDate="2023-06-13T19:52:47.350" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="28748" PostId="5669" Score="2" Text="@Carl-FredrikNybergBrodda let this comment give you a hint of the tone of the room right now https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389922/june-2023-data-dump-is-missing/390200#comment1302753_390200" CreationDate="2023-06-14T03:31:37.907" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28749" PostId="5669" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts If even the hint is that atrocious… Thank you for sending that. (To be clear: in no way do I attribute my lack of knowledge to you moderators not communicating properly, or anything like that. From what I have seen, you have been doing a very good job)" CreationDate="2023-06-14T07:26:03.467" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="28754" PostId="5669" Score="2" Text="FYI, see [Philippe's updated answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/390200/335251) to the MSE post that Noah linked above." CreationDate="2023-06-15T18:51:01.703" UserId="350173" />
  <row Id="28756" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="@V2Blast thanks. Losing track of all the places I'm watching in the current multi-platform discussions" CreationDate="2023-06-15T23:56:47.123" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28682" PostId="5672" Score="5" Text="If this turns out to be something that needs to be a real option, we should be mindful that there is already a [mathematics community](https://math.codidact.com/) on Codidact. I haven't seen enough it yet to say anything informative" CreationDate="2023-06-07T09:00:20.860" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28683" PostId="5672" Score="5" Text="@DavidRoberts: That community appears to be similar to Math Stack Exchange, which means that it should not be a problem." CreationDate="2023-06-07T15:02:38.737" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="28684" PostId="5672" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts, (1) as Moishe Kohan says, it's more a competitor to MSE than to MO; (2) the software platform can in principle be used independently of the network, and I believe there are existing instances of QPixel being used separately from Codidact." CreationDate="2023-06-07T15:56:33.047" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="28688" PostId="5672" Score="15" Text="Hi. I'm a member of the Codidact team. We're happy to discuss options with you if y'all want, either joining our hosted network or setting up your own like [these folks](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/286827) did. I wouldn't want to use SE's platform for that, but you can post on our Meta, ping us in [Discord](https://discord.gg/WZ7aTst), or email us (info at codidact dot org)." CreationDate="2023-06-09T00:28:02.357" UserId="506559" />
  <row Id="28704" PostId="5672" Score="1" Text="@Monica thanks for that." CreationDate="2023-06-11T11:39:25.893" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28701" PostId="5673" Score="0" Text="Concerning &quot;free to access&quot;, what is your opinion about https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389922/june-2023-data-dump-is-missing ?" CreationDate="2023-06-11T08:32:05.327" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28753" PostId="5673" Score="1" Text="FYI, see [Philippe's updated answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/390200/335251) to the MSE post that Emil linked above." CreationDate="2023-06-15T18:50:20.073" UserId="350173" />
  <row Id="28689" PostId="5674" Score="8" Text="&quot;but that it [the ChatGPT-answer surge] has now dropped to a very low level&quot; this did not in fact happen. What happened was that the proxy used by the SE analysis dropped. The experience on the ground of moderators dealing with ChatGPT answers shows differently. The level is lower, but not the basically zero quantity they claim. From what moderators are saying, they don't disagree with the analysis if one keeps in mind the proxies being used, but they disagree the proxy is fit for purpose, especially as behaviour of users reacts to the pushback against ChatGPT answers." CreationDate="2023-06-09T02:27:51.513" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28735" PostId="5675" Score="0" Text="While I'm not particularly active on MO, I do read a lot of the questions and answers here. I concur with Toby's take on the current question." CreationDate="2023-06-12T19:43:59.033" UserId="114053" />
  <row Id="28802" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="There is already a competing site on SE!" CreationDate="2023-06-23T07:05:34.597" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28803" PostId="5676" Score="1" Text="PS: The nose comment is excellent! I will steal it!" CreationDate="2023-06-23T07:08:06.200" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28691" PostId="5677" Score="6" Text="My old algebra memory says:   a **derivation** on a ring $R$ is a map $D : R \to R$ satisfying $D(a+b) = D(a) + D(b)$ and $D(ab) = aD(b)+D(a)b$.  Perhaps that is what the tag is for." CreationDate="2023-06-10T13:04:08.300" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28692" PostId="5677" Score="5" Text="@GeraldEdgar My concern is that some people might use it for questions on derivatives, i.e., as a synonym for differentiation" CreationDate="2023-06-10T13:06:47.483" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="28693" PostId="5677" Score="7" Text="I could also see it getting used for questions about logical derivations, i.e. formal proofs in the sense of natural deduction or similar systems." CreationDate="2023-06-10T14:42:08.067" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="28817" PostId="5677" Score="0" Text="Some stats related to the tag ([tag:derivations]) can be found in the [MO editors' lounge](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/the-tag-derivations). Tangentially, this tag now has [a tag-excerpt](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/448693/revisions)." CreationDate="2023-06-28T09:45:22.263" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28695" PostId="5678" Score="11" Text="You still need to know when to call the vote though!" CreationDate="2023-06-10T21:29:17.390" UserId="22" />
  <row Id="28696" PostId="5678" Score="1" Text="@NoahSnyder True, but the threshold for calling a vote can be much lower, since merely calling a vote is not exercising a &quot;nuclear option.&quot;" CreationDate="2023-06-11T02:11:13.270" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28698" PostId="5678" Score="2" Text="Nevertheless, it would be counterproductive to keep calling a (failed) referendum frequently." CreationDate="2023-06-11T07:20:19.050" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28708" PostId="5678" Score="4" Text="I agree that it shouldn't happen without a vote, but how to make sure that the vote outcome is an accurate representation of of what community feels is best for the future, is another issue." CreationDate="2023-06-11T19:16:16.050" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="28727" PostId="5678" Score="2" Text="@NikeDattani: well, that's the really old question about who &quot;representative democracy&quot; actually represents. Not sure that anybody came up with a complete answer, whatever the chosen ballot type." CreationDate="2023-06-12T11:55:47.190" UserId="24309" />
  <row Id="28730" PostId="5678" Score="1" Text="@LoïcTeyssier who it represents is one thing, but more specifically, how they are chosen is another. Elections on SE don't give the community much time to do research about candidates, and even if it did, most people don't know when the elections are and have 0 experience with seeing how the candidates act in important situations, so they vote for people for incorrect reasons." CreationDate="2023-06-12T13:29:54.073" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="28746" PostId="5678" Score="2" Text="I expect that a referendum would be decided by voters who have far less information about both costs and benefits, and far less invested in the outcome, than the moderators do.  I'd therefore prefer to see this decision made by the moderators (probably after considerable public and/or semipublic discussion).   If we had different moderators, I might feel differently." CreationDate="2023-06-13T23:21:54.303" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="28747" PostId="5678" Score="4" Text="@StevenLandsburg At the risk of sounding elitist, perhaps we could revive John Stuart Mill's notorious suggestion of plural voting, and weight the votes of high-rep users more heavily?" CreationDate="2023-06-14T00:52:14.757" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28751" PostId="5678" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow Some safety measure of that kind will be necessary, since it is easy to create new accounts or sockpuppets to skew the vote." CreationDate="2023-06-15T10:15:12.787" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28699" PostId="5679" Score="4" Text="It would not look good for SE, I meant. And optics are not about causation. It doesn't matter if there is an actual causal relationship, people will suspect there is one. And I don't mean a sharp line, a threshold; I mean a condition sufficient to clearly indicate it's time to go." CreationDate="2023-06-11T08:09:56.640" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28700" PostId="5679" Score="1" Text="I guess I'm saying that it's not possible to predefine that sufficient condition in any reasonable way." CreationDate="2023-06-11T08:14:32.613" UserId="302" />
  <row Id="28702" PostId="5679" Score="1" Text="To elaborate a bit more: I think that if we draw that line, every time SE makes a questionable decision (which seems likely to keep happening), we'll have to ask two questions: (1) did it cross our line, and (2) was our line drawn correctly, which means having the line at all isn't really that useful. I would think the correct path is just not to subject ourselves to that entity that makes those questionable decisions in the first place." CreationDate="2023-06-11T08:38:48.140" UserId="302" />
  <row Id="28703" PostId="5679" Score="1" Text="Point taken. At the very last, people are thinking and talking about the idea, rather than just feeling grumpy in private about things SE does" CreationDate="2023-06-11T11:37:34.653" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28732" PostId="5679" Score="9" Text="A line in the sand is never the whole definition of “acceptable” vs “unacceptable”, but it can be a very useful *part* of negotiating a relationship.  Laying down a red line isn’t saying “everything up to there is OK”, nor is it saying “until you reach there, I’ll do nothing”.  It’s saying explicitly: here is point which would be 100% unacceptable, and if you go there, I will be willing to walk away from the relationship and burn the bridges.  (And implicitly: if you approach that point, I’ll be increasingly, unhappy, and will negotiate with whatever intermediate options are available.)" CreationDate="2023-06-12T13:42:34.490" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="28785" PostId="5680" Score="0" Text="Perhaps [tag:differential-field] would work for most algebraic uses? (I'm no expert but these are essentially the only algebraic derivations I personally have worked with. I understand that the concept is more general but we don't need a tag for every concept.)" CreationDate="2023-06-20T02:04:49.647" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28787" PostId="5680" Score="1" Text="Actually, I just learned from [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_algebra) that [tag:differential-algebra] might be both more specific and comprehensive for the algebraic uses of the term." CreationDate="2023-06-20T02:10:00.463" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28788" PostId="5680" Score="0" Text="Re: [tag:differential-calculus] I agree that it's not really &quot;research-level&quot; but isn't that a little disparaging towards Newton, Leibniz, Gauss, Euler, Bernoulli, Bernoulli, Fourier, Bernoulli (is there a fourth Bernoulli?), Jacobi, Riemann, etc.?" CreationDate="2023-06-20T02:19:03.563" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28789" PostId="5680" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais Differential field is a field endowed with a derivation. This does not cover &quot;derivation&quot; in several respects: a derivation can be defined on a ring $R$ (not necessarily associative), and can also be defined from $R$ into an $R$-module. Also, the set $\mathrm{Der}(R)$ of derivations on $R$ forms a Lie algebra and can be considered as a whole without singling out a single derivation. In important cases this is the Lie algebra of the group $\mathrm{Aut}(R)$, and occurs quite naturally. Quite many of the questions now with the tag would not be tagged &quot;differential-algebra&quot;." CreationDate="2023-06-20T03:41:07.780" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28790" PostId="5680" Score="0" Text="Yes, I am aware of the existence of such generalizations. I also believe that they are useful in contexts that I am not familiar with (or perhaps even some familiar contexts that can't remember at the moment). But this is mathematics as a whole, not actual MO usage. For tagging purposes, the tag name should ideally be both useful (in the MO usage sense) and unambiguous (when possible). The tag [tag:derivations] is neither!" CreationDate="2023-06-20T04:12:51.483" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28791" PostId="5680" Score="1" Text="@FrançoisG.Dorais in any case, I agree that the tag [tag:differential-algebra] is better defined and should be used more often. It has no usage guidance. A draft: &quot;Fields or rings endowed with one of several derivations. Differential Galois theory, algebraic study of ODEs/PDEs, etc.&quot;" CreationDate="2023-06-20T07:22:11.977" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="28706" PostId="5681" Score="6" Text="IANAL, but the way I understand the [terms of the agreement](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4429), the domain mathoverflow.net belongs to MathOverflow, Inc. &#xA;Of course, I understand that if the &quot;new MO&quot; would be a part of larger network with several Q&amp;A sites, that might possibly lead to change of the URL to correspond with other sites in the same network." CreationDate="2023-06-11T13:15:21.327" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28710" PostId="5681" Score="7" Text="Maybe there are also some drawbacks regarding 'moderator tools' (in a broad sense), including automatic or even network-wide tools, e.g. tools to deal with different kinds of spam, abusive users, AI-generated content, hacking attempts and other kinds of malicious attacks? I have no insight into this, but perhaps some of our moderators could shed some light as to whether, and if yes, to what extent this would be affected. MO should not remain 'defenseless'." CreationDate="2023-06-11T22:00:15.810" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="28734" PostId="5681" Score="1" Text="Tentative title change suggestion: MOexit -&gt; MOxit :-)" CreationDate="2023-06-12T15:06:28.390" UserId="1849" />
  <row Id="28740" PostId="5681" Score="6" Text="How about the gerundive: MOvendum?" CreationDate="2023-06-13T01:31:42.817" UserId="57405" />
  <row Id="28709" PostId="5682" Score="1" Text="ChatGPT? (/sarcasm)" CreationDate="2023-06-11T19:28:31.457" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28723" PostId="5682" Score="1" Text="from what I see, the issue with this post is not the grammar, but the length; you could try to get to the point more quickly; perhaps you could just leave out the &quot;attempt&quot; part?" CreationDate="2023-06-12T10:59:28.563" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="28733" PostId="5682" Score="0" Text="@CarloBeenakker I made edits, and added the attempt as an answer. Is this better?" CreationDate="2023-06-12T14:48:40.150" UserId="87856" />
  <row Id="28725" PostId="5683" Score="3" Text="In what ways do you find Codidact to be &quot;a step down&quot;?" CreationDate="2023-06-12T11:39:23.340" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28731" PostId="5683" Score="7" Text="@TimothyChow Various minor things that make it seem less polished in general: for instance, it is more cramped, comment threads are less higlighted visually, the tag infobox is less polished, some information such as the license could be less highlighted etc. Nothing major, just a general feeling (and just my personal non-expert opinion)." CreationDate="2023-06-12T13:34:43.677" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28804" PostId="5683" Score="0" Text="Hot network questions is a big one, for &quot;exposure&quot; (spreading awareness of work), external but useful contributions (e.g. @NikeDattani's answer), and, it and maybe the opposite, &quot;inspiring&quot; with fancy math." CreationDate="2023-06-23T07:09:05.093" UserId="396854" />
  <row Id="28713" PostId="5684" Score="1" Text="How many of the &quot;lack of success&quot; stories are cases where a successful site took a nosedive, as opposed to failing to get traction in the first place?" CreationDate="2023-06-11T23:03:36.510" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28714" PostId="5684" Score="7" Text="@TimothyChow Codidact was mostly created the last time SE moderators went on &quot;strike&quot;, which was in 2019. PhysicsOverflow was created in response to some clashes among members of Physics.SE, I don't know much about Topanswers, and the Materials Science Community Discord was not made in response to a nosedive as far as I know. I just remembered that I wanted to also include Biostars in my original answer. I'd say Codidact was made in response to the biggest nosedive SE ever had (except *maybe* the current one). We still 4 years later see people on SE with usernames like &quot;Peter supports Monica&quot;." CreationDate="2023-06-11T23:25:44.357" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="28715" PostId="5684" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the extra information. I realize that I didn't phrase my question clearly. What I meant was, are these examples where there was a thriving site, and then *after* the site migrated, the *new site* became a failure? As opposed to sites that were never successful in the first place? MO is currently successful, so my concern is that it may cease to be successful if it migrates, and I'm wondering if there are precedents for this sort of thing." CreationDate="2023-06-11T23:38:21.677" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28717" PostId="5684" Score="2" Text="Perhaps a question such as &quot;What are some examples of thriving sites that have migrated to a new platform, and how successful were they?&quot; would be appropriate and would allow me to write much more (and others that collectively know more than me could probably give far more examples than I can). Maybe the best example of a site that officially migrated from one platform to another, is MathOverflow which migrated from StackExchange 1.0 to StackExchange 2.0. Codidact was an attempt at migrating several SE sites (e.g. EE, Physics, Writing, Judaism, etc.), but it was not &quot;official&quot;." CreationDate="2023-06-12T01:15:59.397" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="28722" PostId="5684" Score="3" Text="I don't know what you consider &quot;a long time&quot;, but Monica posts questions when she has questions, and I see some from a month ago and some from two months ago, and she's very active on meta.codidact.com. In response to @TimothyChow's question, it's a failure to get traction and doesn't have much bearing on the potential impact on MO of migrating platform while retaining its domain." CreationDate="2023-06-12T08:49:02.733" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="28736" PostId="5684" Score="1" Text="I think it's worth commenting that æsthetics are very much a personal preference.  [PhysicsOverflow](https://physicsoverflow.org) looks just fine to me.  (I literally mean that in the sense of its appearance; I'm in no shape to judge its community.)" CreationDate="2023-06-12T19:50:27.020" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28711" PostId="5685" Score="8" Text="People can recreate their account after deletion.  But a suspension transfers to the new account. It is a violation of the terms of service to try to avoid a suspension by creating what amounts to a wholly new account." CreationDate="2023-06-11T22:25:53.233" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28712" PostId="5685" Score="3" Text="I can't comment on specific details of mod decisions like in this case, but it might be relevant to dig a little further on public information if you are curious." CreationDate="2023-06-11T22:32:54.540" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28716" PostId="5685" Score="3" Text="If you think 100 years is long, have a look at https://physics.stackexchange.com/users/4864/ron-maimon" CreationDate="2023-06-11T23:57:42.793" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28718" PostId="5685" Score="1" Text="This is not really on-topic here. You can ask at Meta Stack Exchange (the mother of all metas), but it has already been asked many, many times, so perhaps search for the duplicate versions of your question before posting anything. This is not a question about MathOverflow, it's a question for the SE network's staff (people that almost never visit the MathOverflow Meta page)." CreationDate="2023-06-12T01:18:31.400" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="28720" PostId="5685" Score="1" Text="[meta.se]: [How long can a temporary suspension be?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/211217) Some of the [questions linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/211217) seem to be related, too." CreationDate="2023-06-12T03:52:38.433" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28721" PostId="5685" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts: Your first comment answers my question, I guess. What is strange, then, is that a different account of the same person [has been terminated, instead of suspended](https://mathoverflow.net/review/first-answers/176258)." CreationDate="2023-06-12T08:14:16.130" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28724" PostId="5685" Score="2" Text="@Alex in this case I suggest as little visibility as possible to someone whose main goal is attention. This user is well-known to mods across the network." CreationDate="2023-06-12T11:00:32.677" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28737" PostId="5685" Score="0" Text="Since this question is, as phrased, not really about a specific user, might it not be appropriate to remove the link to their profile?" CreationDate="2023-06-12T19:52:43.027" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28739" PostId="5685" Score="0" Text="@LSpice: Indeed, I could do it, but I deemed it useful for the readers to see a concrete example of such long-term suspension, in order to better understand what I had in mind." CreationDate="2023-06-12T21:32:14.987" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28741" PostId="5686" Score="8" Text="A good point — but this is far from certain for SE either, especially if we take “exist” as “exist, and offer an acceptable service”.  So I’d perhaps suggest framing this less as “will the new host still exist in 15 years?”, but rather as “how do the new host’s prospects in 15 years compare to Stack Exchange’s?”" CreationDate="2023-06-13T08:26:21.197" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="28801" PostId="5690" Score="2" Text="I understand your main point but the comparison is unfair in many ways. For example, your university does give you a regular paycheck, which is intended to compensate you for various efforts toward your university/employer. Nobody on MO is getting a paycheck from SE as a result of their work as moderators nor as board members. SE offer plenty of moderation tools for free but I don't think that's comparable in any reasonable sense." CreationDate="2023-06-23T06:55:32.687" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28752" PostId="5691" Score="3" Text="There was a post on [meta.se] that could be considered an update on the situation: [Moderation Strike update: Data dumps, choosing representatives, GPT data, and where we’re holding](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/390106)." CreationDate="2023-06-15T16:03:11.963" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28757" PostId="5691" Score="2" Text="We will try to keep things updated, thanks for the prod." CreationDate="2023-06-15T23:58:15.563" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28759" PostId="5692" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the update, David. As far as the AI tool, SO is the main cash cow for the company at large. There's little risk of this tool being deployed here, especially if we don't want it." CreationDate="2023-06-17T07:13:40.547" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28760" PostId="5692" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila wellll, I could imagine an enthusiastic boss wanting every site on the network to have AI-assisted question improvement. As I said: no hint it will come to MO. Why it was even allowed to be tested in the state it was in is a mystery." CreationDate="2023-06-17T08:14:53.630" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28761" PostId="5692" Score="22" Text="Thank you for keeping the community updated!" CreationDate="2023-06-17T18:43:18.477" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28779" PostId="5692" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts: Are we sure that there is an ongoing strike? I look at the review queues daily, and I cannot see any significant difference to the period prior to the strike. Moderation (by both moderators and regular users) does not seem affected by the protest (neither on MO, nor on MSE). From the outside, everything looks like &quot;business as usual&quot;; does this mean that most regular users have not joined the strike and are doing their moderating duties as before?" CreationDate="2023-06-19T17:43:20.230" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28782" PostId="5692" Score="6" Text="@AlexM. you cannot see mod-only queues. Much longer than usual. Not all of the moderators have signed the letter. It's not so much about needing regular users to strike, but mods here deciding to join the network-wide strike to support that. If we see not much effect here, that's not terrible, the point is to get SE Inc into negotiation to improve behind-the-scenes matters, which is now happening." CreationDate="2023-06-20T00:26:12.070" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28798" PostId="5692" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts: In this situation, will all my flags &quot;age away&quot;? Shall I have to re-flag those posts once the strike is over?" CreationDate="2023-06-22T07:52:45.640" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28799" PostId="5692" Score="4" Text="@Alex no, only some do https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/204327/when-are-moderator-flags-automatically-dismissed-as-aged-away-by-the-system/204347#204347 flagging for moderator attention won't go away, and at the end of the strike we will have a clean up for things that only mods can do" CreationDate="2023-06-22T10:52:21.573" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28814" PostId="5692" Score="3" Text="For those who are wondering if there is any progress: An update on 2023-06-26 is here: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/390106/moderation-strike-update-data-dumps-choosing-representatives-gpt-data-and-wh/390704#390704" CreationDate="2023-06-27T07:30:00.570" UserId="171662" />
  <row Id="28815" PostId="5692" Score="1" Text="@JukkaKohonen Thanks. I was going to double check if I was allowed to post the text of the latest update outside the Discord discussion. I will make a new meta post with the latest negotiation update, and a link back, soon." CreationDate="2023-06-27T07:48:49.047" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28773" PostId="5694" Score="2" Text="To be fair to Math Overflow, it is for professional mathematicians meaning your bottom comment &quot;`Note I'm unable to gain reputation on MO since I don't know in detail, higher level mathematics`&quot; shows the site is working correctly as this site is for detailed higher level mathematics, which I don't profess to have either btw although my subjects are highly mathematical (to users who frequent MO, I come to read interesting questions and was curious about the response to the strike, hence why I am here)." CreationDate="2023-06-19T02:06:45.317" UserId="498970" />
  <row Id="28774" PostId="5694" Score="0" Text="@JamesT Perhaps I should send the question to Math Stack Exchange; however, I’m sure I still won’t get an answer." CreationDate="2023-06-19T02:16:58.337" UserId="87856" />
  <row Id="28805" PostId="5694" Score="1" Text="It's also important to keep in mind that there is no way to guarantee that your questions - irrespective of quality - will be answered. Even bounties are imperfect mechanisms for this; I've offered [about 200](https://mathoverflow.net/users/8133/noah-schweber?tab=bounties) bounties for an average amount of about $200$ points each, and at a quick glance around $80\%$ never got answered." CreationDate="2023-06-23T23:36:20.657" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="28786" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="This may be a case where it is better to have a small amount of narrower tags than a tag for the overarching concept." CreationDate="2023-06-20T02:07:09.133" UserId="2000" />
  <row Id="28781" PostId="5697" Score="0" Text="What if the material has never been covered? If the work is brand new and something is missing, no one will understand what I’m trying to say." CreationDate="2023-06-20T00:03:41.107" UserId="87856" />
  <row Id="28783" PostId="5697" Score="6" Text="@DavisJohnson It is precisely that you weight that possibility so heavily that is offputting; to people outside research mathematics it is understandable to believe you're thinking about something nobody else has ever thought about, but I'll eat my shoes if that's the case. The first thing I thought I discovered myself (in a 60 page manuscript) was originally discovered in the 30's, and the second time I thought I had original thoughts they had already been discovered in the 70's -- I was working in a field *much* less prominent than measure theory and analysis." CreationDate="2023-06-20T00:35:18.813" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="28784" PostId="5697" Score="0" Text="I made edits to both posts using your advice. Is this better?" CreationDate="2023-06-20T01:58:30.413" UserId="87856" />
  <row Id="28793" PostId="5698" Score="0" Text="Can you try clicking on the orange &quot;Filter&quot; button and changing the options? You will probably see the box &quot;No answers&quot; checked in the first column, and the radio button for &quot;Newest&quot; selected in the second column. If so, can you try unchecking the box for &quot;No answers&quot;, and then clicking on &quot;Apply filter&quot;, and then renavigating to https://mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/co.combinatorics to see if that helps?" CreationDate="2023-06-21T11:34:44.727" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28794" PostId="5698" Score="1" Text="@TheAmplitwist, that works, thanks." CreationDate="2023-06-21T11:50:16.757" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="28795" PostId="5698" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5698/custom-filter-is-stuck-on#comment28793_5698), maybe you can post that as an answer so that this question isn't marked unanswered?" CreationDate="2023-06-21T18:02:10.800" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28796" PostId="5698" Score="1" Text="@LSpice sure, I'll try and do that in some time." CreationDate="2023-06-21T18:11:11.570" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28806" PostId="5700" Score="4" Text="`$\overline{5}$`$=\overline{5}$." CreationDate="2023-06-25T10:18:58.960" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28807" PostId="5700" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts thanks !" CreationDate="2023-06-25T10:56:01.400" UserId="506658" />
  <row Id="28813" PostId="5700" Score="0" Text="Corresponds to `\underline`" CreationDate="2023-06-26T15:30:46.233" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28819" PostId="5700" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5700/writing-a-bar-on-top-of-a-number#comment28806_5700), in case it's of interest, you can fix the poor spacing with a spurious atom: `$\overline{5}$`${}= \overline{5}$ `\`$\overline{5}$\` ${}= \overline{5}$`." CreationDate="2023-06-29T23:57:05.413" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28808" PostId="5701" Score="1" Text="Alrernatively, `$\bar{5}$` $\bar{5}$" CreationDate="2023-06-25T12:36:43.500" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28811" PostId="5701" Score="1" Text="@TheAmplitwist, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28808), good point! Let's put them side by side to see the subtle difference: $\overline5\bar5$ `\overline5\bar5`. It's less subtle when overlining groups: $\overline5\overline6\overline{56}\bar5\bar6\bar{56}$ `\overline5\overline6\overline{56}\bar{56}\bar5\bar6`. (I don't see a rendering difference between `\overline5\overline6` and `\overline{56}`, though the widths probably differ slightly.  I include `\bar{56}` for parallelism, but, of course, it is almost certainly not what is desired.)" CreationDate="2023-06-25T18:55:18.833" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28868" PostId="5701" Score="1" Text="[Re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5700/writing-a-bar-on-top-of-a-number#comment28811_5701), oops, I somehow switched `\bar{56}` and `\bar5\bar6` between the actual code and the quoted code.  They look like $\bar{56}$ `\bar{56}` vs. $\bar5\bar6$ `\bar5\bar6`." CreationDate="2023-07-16T18:24:54.583" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28816" PostId="5703" Score="11" Text="I'm still very dubious on their stated AI content rules and suspicious of the future intentions they have on this front. Their response has not helped those feelings and may have exacerbated them." CreationDate="2023-06-28T04:28:02.100" UserId="20460" />
  <row Id="28818" PostId="5703" Score="0" Text="Regarding the parenthetical remark &quot;(link requires Discord access to work, and being in the previously linked server)&quot;, here's the Discord server invite link: https://discord.gg/B96X6DvvvT" CreationDate="2023-06-29T15:26:39.793" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28844" PostId="5703" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts: Given that some progress in the talks is real, maybe a reasonable form of strike is *not to handle anything from the latest 30 days*, but begin addressing issues older than that? I.e., I am thinking about a &quot;running&quot; (or &quot;rolling&quot;) window of 30 days." CreationDate="2023-07-03T21:41:48.083" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28857" PostId="5703" Score="0" Text="@AlexM.: Too short. It needs to be at least 6 mth to be effective. Or maybe 1 mth for each issue that is not 100% satisfactorily resolved." CreationDate="2023-07-07T08:09:34.433" UserId="50073" />
  <row Id="28858" PostId="5703" Score="7" Text="For those keeping an eye on things, StackOverflow apparently now has over 10000 unhandled flags. Also other sites are getting _lots_ of spam that sticks around." CreationDate="2023-07-07T12:23:19.510" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28866" PostId="5703" Score="2" Text="Is there any new news?" CreationDate="2023-07-14T01:35:30.047" UserId="171662" />
  <row Id="28867" PostId="5703" Score="1" Text="@JukkaKohonen none public. But this was a positive move, if not directly strike-related https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/425525/conclusions-from-title-drafting-and-question-content-assistance-experiments-cond" CreationDate="2023-07-14T04:09:29.060" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28873" PostId="5703" Score="1" Text="probably worth updating now, since the original was updated yesterday." CreationDate="2023-07-21T17:31:19.877" UserId="39865" />
  <row Id="28874" PostId="5703" Score="1" Text="@tox123 now done!" CreationDate="2023-07-24T01:24:02.477" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28821" PostId="5705" Score="0" Text="That definitely seems to be it, thanks!  Do you know why it didn't break before, at revision 9?  (This cannot be verified now, since viewing that version still shows the broken formatting, but it definitely wasn't there before I edited.)" CreationDate="2023-06-30T01:33:03.480" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28828" PostId="5705" Score="1" Text="Indeed, the version shown in the Wayback Machine [on 8 June 2023](https://web.archive.org/web/20230608101727/https://mathoverflow.net/questions/307284/another-notion-of-exactness-how-to-refine-it-and-where-does-it-fit) seems to be OK. I don't really know why the problem didn't appear before, but I will point out that the post was created before [switching to CommonMark](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/348746)." CreationDate="2023-06-30T04:25:00.623" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28829" PostId="5705" Score="1" Text="There is no such thing as HTML comments as far as the Markdown parser is concerned. See https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/135909 . They are just treated as invalid HTML tags, and as such removed from the output. You can get exactly the same behaviour by formatting “comments” as `&lt;comment ... &gt;`, `&lt;asdfg ... &gt;`, or whatever else of that sort." CreationDate="2023-06-30T05:05:59.530" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28836" PostId="5705" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5704/why-do-s-and-s-stop-being-recognised-at-some-point-and-how-can-i-fi/5705#comment28829_5705), and yet changing `&lt;!-- --!&gt;` to `&lt;!-- --&gt;`, and nothing else, did fix it, so, whether it's because of parsing it as a comment (as you point out it isn't) or for any other reason, it seems hard to doubt that that that was the cause. Nonetheless, @‍MartinSleziak has asked me to unaccept this answer so that other people will be encouraged to weigh in, so I have done so." CreationDate="2023-06-30T13:45:15.663" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28837" PostId="5705" Score="0" Text="@LSpice I do not doubt that the change worked. I’m just complaining that the explanation is misleading the reader into thinking that the parser supports a well-defined comment syntax. It does not, and the fact that some versions of it appear to work, and some do not, is accidental." CreationDate="2023-06-30T13:53:19.427" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28838" PostId="5705" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5704/why-do-s-and-s-stop-being-recognised-at-some-point-and-how-can-i-fi/5706#comment28837_5705), I have posted a sandbox [answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5706).  While I trust you when you say that Markdown does not obey any notion of comments, something like `&lt;comment Discarded&gt;` disappears; `&lt;comment !&gt;` and `&lt;comment --!&gt;` stay in the rendered post but do not trip the bug; and `&lt;!-- --!&gt;` disappears but triggers the bug—so there is *something* different about `!--` at the beginning and/or `!` at the end." CreationDate="2023-06-30T14:35:17.500" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28839" PostId="5705" Score="1" Text="[Re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5704/why-do-s-and-s-stop-being-recognised-at-some-point-and-how-can-i-fi/5706#comment28838_5705), in fact it seems that a tag starting with a `&lt;!--` *must* be terminated with `--&gt;` in order not to stop formatting. For example, `&lt;!--&gt;` is OK, but `&lt;!-- &gt;`, `&lt;!-- Discarded&gt;`, and `&lt;!-- -&gt;` all stop formatting." CreationDate="2023-06-30T14:44:19.283" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28840" PostId="5705" Score="0" Text="@LSpice Please read https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1777/what-html-tags-are-allowed-on-stack-exchange-sites/135909#135909 closely. The parser recognizes *some* expressions that conform to the syntax of HTML comments for special purposes, such as declaration of a language for syntax highlighting. Presumably, it parses such things by first trying to match `&lt;!-- ... --&gt;` and then deciphering the `...` part, which means that `&lt;!--` not terminated by a `--&gt;` will throw it off. Anyway, trying to reverse engineer what *invalid* inputs do or don’t trigger a bug is an exercise in futility." CreationDate="2023-06-30T15:03:55.603" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28841" PostId="5705" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28840), sorry, I'm confused.  It seems to me that you are saying that the parser attempts to recognise some comment-like things as comments.  I don't understand how to reconcile that with saying &quot;[There is no such thing as HTML comments as far as the Markdown parser is concerned.](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28829)&quot; […](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28842)" CreationDate="2023-06-30T16:57:37.350" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28842" PostId="5705" Score="1" Text="[…](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/28841) Maybe you just meant &quot;calling this an issue with HTML comments&quot; is not literally, technically correct. But what you are saying sounds to me consonant with what I took to be the spirit of @‍MartinSleziak's answer. I'm not sure I agree that figuring out what invalid inputs do or don't trigger a bug is an exercise in futility; it seems to me the very spirit embodied in [fuzzing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzing)." CreationDate="2023-06-30T16:59:14.283" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28843" PostId="5705" Score="0" Text="I am saying that the parser recognizes some comment-like things as other things, not as comments." CreationDate="2023-06-30T17:04:09.540" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28848" PostId="5708" Score="8" Text="Searching for url:&quot;\*gfycat\*&quot; [9 results on Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/search?q=url%3a%22*gfycat*%22) and [921 results network-wide](https://stackexchange.com/search?q=url%3a%22*gfycat*%22&amp;pagesize=50&amp;page=18) but [no results on MO](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3A%22*gfycat*%22) (and a [single result on meta](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/search?q=url%3A%22*gfycat*%22))." CreationDate="2023-07-04T05:22:32.027" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28850" PostId="5708" Score="2" Text="Since you asked about Imgur, here is a link to the previous discussion: [Imgur will remove some content soon. Does MathOverflow need to save images?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5638)&#xA;Tangentially, the tag ([meta-tag:images]) seems to be suitable for this question, too." CreationDate="2023-07-04T05:37:42.460" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28852" PostId="5708" Score="1" Text="A corresponding post on [math.meta.se]: [Will the closure of Gfycat affect MSE?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/35824)" CreationDate="2023-07-04T05:44:16.793" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28853" PostId="5708" Score="8" Text="I knew that a site being this rude to cats couldn't survive for too long." CreationDate="2023-07-04T17:07:26.183" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="28854" PostId="5708" Score="6" Text="@darijgrinberg, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5708/will-the-closure-of-gfycat-affect-mo#comment28853_5708), just read it as the helpful reminder &quot;Go feed your cat&quot;, and all is well again." CreationDate="2023-07-04T20:04:49.830" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28845" PostId="5709" Score="0" Text="`a\`b`. OK, escaping backticks within backticks works in a comment.  Why not in a post?" CreationDate="2023-07-04T04:04:39.873" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28847" PostId="5709" Score="0" Text="$\sigma\`(C \setminus A)$ `backticks`" CreationDate="2023-07-04T04:09:30.837" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28851" PostId="5709" Score="3" Text="These posts on [meta.se] seem related: [How do I escape a backtick ` within in-line code in Markdown?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/82718) and [How can the backtick character ` be included in code?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/55437)" CreationDate="2023-07-04T05:41:10.240" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28855" PostId="5709" Score="0" Text="[Re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5709/how-do-backticks-escaped-backticks-and-math-mode-interact-in-posts-and-commen#comment28851_5709), thanks, @MartinSleziak!  I think that math mode is introducing an additional layer of complexity, since it seems that Mathjax captures the content of math-mode environments even before much other processing happens.  But that is still a useful reference!  (Also, let me acknowledge that this is an extremely vague question—I was trying to document some behaviour that I had observed, but it seemed to be changing in unpredictable-by-me ways.)" CreationDate="2023-07-04T20:20:02.207" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28859" PostId="5711" Score="6" Text="I'm fairly sure that the fix actually was the blank line added before the table header, and not the removal of the colons in the subheader. This is a known discrepancy between the preview and final output; see, for instance, &quot;[Markdown table preview does not detect missing blank line before table header](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/359192)&quot; on Meta SE." CreationDate="2023-07-07T15:48:58.440" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="28863" PostId="5711" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, thanks for the tag edit!  I need to get more familiar with meta tags.  I tried [tag:table] and [tag:preview], neither of which (yet) exists." CreationDate="2023-07-07T17:04:17.787" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28864" PostId="5711" Score="1" Text="@waterstreamer [commented](https://mathoverflow.net/questions/450354/what-are-all-classes-of-similar-matrices-and-their-jordan-normal-form-in-mathb#comment1163964_450354) on main: &quot;The issue was, that i had to use $$ in the markdown table for latex to work properly (and also use two newlines for the table to render here, although the editor showed it to me after one already, so there seems to be a discrepency in the rendering there, I cant comment that on your MMO post though)&quot;" CreationDate="2023-07-07T17:05:48.780" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28861" PostId="5712" Score="1" Text="Actually, the moderator who created the synonym left a comment [at the time](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2021/3/28). (And you responded by asking him to post it as an answer.) Both [SEDE](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1178483/data-about-a-tag-synonym?tagname=slick-proof) and the [list of tag synonyms](https://mathoverflow.net/tags/synonyms) say that it was created in March 2021 by François G. Dorais." CreationDate="2023-07-07T16:56:53.380" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28862" PostId="5712" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4942/remove-tagslick-proof-or-make-it-a-synonym-of-tagalternative-proof/5712#comment28861_5712), whoops!  Indeed, it is just as you say.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2023-07-07T17:02:33.647" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28875" PostId="5716" Score="1" Text="&quot;AI Domination users&quot;?" CreationDate="2023-07-25T03:19:56.413" UserId="56012" />
  <row Id="28876" PostId="5716" Score="4" Text="AI Domination is a private chat room attached to StackOverflow which is for people dealing with generativeAI stuff: https://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/250149/ai-domination" CreationDate="2023-07-25T06:59:46.267" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28877" PostId="5716" Score="4" Text="*&quot;with at least 90% of respondents agreeing that it was violated&quot;* - this looks like a very high percentage to attain, in my opinion. No real-world democracy has anything similar. Could this be a mistype?" CreationDate="2023-07-25T08:41:33.627" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28878" PostId="5716" Score="2" Text="@AlexM. It's not a mistype." CreationDate="2023-07-25T15:34:25.400" UserId="114888" />
  <row Id="28894" PostId="5716" Score="4" Text="While not strictly about the strike, StackOverflow has now published the formerly-private rules about moderation of suspected AI-generated content that set off the strike: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/391626/historical-policy-on-the-use-of-gpt-generators" CreationDate="2023-07-26T21:54:44.547" UserId="44191" />
  <row Id="28897" PostId="5716" Score="5" Text="@AlexM. I suspect that percentage is to compensate for the selection bias of people coming to the vote, more likely than not unhappy with the company. This quota was negotiated, so the strike reps must have not been too unhappy with the rationale." CreationDate="2023-07-27T01:39:42.737" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28898" PostId="5716" Score="5" Text="@user44191 thanks! The details there should be given more light: mods couldn't take action on any AI-generated post unless the user **voluntarily and freely admitted it was AI-generated**, and should decline flags by users on the same. And weren't allowed to explain why flags were declined etc, since this ruling was for mod-eyes only." CreationDate="2023-07-27T01:42:15.820" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28909" PostId="5716" Score="1" Text="@AlexM.: “No real-world democracy has anything similar” — absolutely agreed that 90% in e.g. an election or a major policy referendum is very rare; but that’s because issues with such a clear public consensus don’t need to go to referendum.  Opinion polls on non-partisan, non-controversial topics show results like 90% all the time." CreationDate="2023-07-28T14:32:08.160" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="28881" PostId="5717" Score="1" Text="A blind guess: infighting of the type that's been happening over there since circa Monica is a bad look, irrespective of how you look at it from the outside. I'm all for fighting the good fight, ra ra fight the power and all that, but it's... unseemly to allow things to devolve as far as they have over there, IMO." CreationDate="2023-07-25T22:10:18.487" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="28882" PostId="5717" Score="13" Text="I don't know how much we can or should disclose, but looking at the admin link provided by @D.W., there is a somewhat similar drop (although, obviously, the graph is more detailed and it is possible to make sense of the exact &quot;fall&quot;). Nevertheless, this means nothing, since it can very well be spammers not using the site as much, or bots not trying to spam the site, or whatever. Statistics without contexts are meaningless." CreationDate="2023-07-25T22:24:42.783" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28883" PostId="5717" Score="3" Text="@D.W. According to the [help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics), the link available to 10k+ users is: https://mathoverflow.net/site-analytics" CreationDate="2023-07-26T04:20:05.243" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28884" PostId="5717" Score="10" Text="according to this post, https://observablehq.com/@ayhanfuat/the-fall-of-stack-overflow, all three metrics of traffic, votes, and posts, are down over 50%. Surely that suggests it's not just fewer spammers" CreationDate="2023-07-26T04:24:25.717" UserId="19860" />
  <row Id="28885" PostId="5717" Score="1" Text="Somewhat related question (with your answer): [The number of on line users at a given moment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3356). In the answer here I have posted number of users who were &quot;active&quot; in some way (at least one post, at least one comment): [The number of MO users](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5579). (Naturally, this is different from traffic - where you're interested in visitors, including the people who only viewed some page on the site and did nothing else.)" CreationDate="2023-07-26T04:48:29.960" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28886" PostId="5717" Score="1" Text="In case some people are interested in stats about number of questions and answer, there are a few related questions: &#xA;[Number of questions posed per day](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1182), &#xA;[Does the number of answers really drop over years?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4505), &#xA;[Slight downward trend in Q &amp; A](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2876), etc.&#xA;&#xA;In fact, back in 2013 a moderator (now a former moderator) suggested &quot;having quarterly or annual usage reports&quot; on MO: [What statistics would be interesting for a usage report?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/903)" CreationDate="2023-07-26T04:55:17.693" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28890" PostId="5717" Score="30" Text="The 20k site analytics for the time period suggest a small but noticeable decline in the number of posts and votes, and a massive sudden drop in traffic in spring 2022. The latter turns out to be the effect of [recategorizing the Google analytics cookies](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/379047). Another change (with unclear effects on the statistics) was the switch to GA4 later the same year. In other words, the statistics are *bogus*. They cannot be meaningfully compared across longer time spans, as the methodology keeps changing." CreationDate="2023-07-26T07:35:59.877" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28908" PostId="5717" Score="8" Text="Just to make it clear, the reputation threshold to see site analytics is 25k, not 10k or 20k, according to https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/site-analytics ." CreationDate="2023-07-28T12:37:46.987" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="28914" PostId="5717" Score="4" Text="Now on Youtube, [heavily memeized](https://youtu.be/cXlxMP9PU8I)" CreationDate="2023-07-29T08:50:10.183" UserId="41291" />
  <row Id="28919" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila  During the last 2 years, the participation of some mathematicians has decreased significantly. On the other hand  I thiunk  there are some  journal who do not accept a reference to MO  conversations. I think that MO  activities is  not  counted as a serious  math activity. To be honest , I had the hope to  find collaborators for  discussion on the  following  items  but no communication formed in this way(in MO)." CreationDate="2023-07-30T14:47:49.870" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28920" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="https://mathoverflow.net/questions/219638/proposals-for-polymath-projects/264440#264440" CreationDate="2023-07-30T14:47:57.133" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28921" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="I hope MO will be  more active similar to (say)  4 or 5 years ago" CreationDate="2023-07-30T14:48:50.517" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28925" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila  I mean that no institute consider MO activities of a researcher as a  serious  research activity. So this reduce the motivation for spending a significant time in MO" CreationDate="2023-07-31T13:51:35.417" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28926" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila  I think  that it would be  a  good idea to ask all well known specialist  in various area(Differential Geometry, Dynamical  system, PDF, foliation, algebras, etc) and  some previously  MO-active polymath researchers  to reconnect to MO and participate in MO actively again." CreationDate="2023-07-31T14:00:43.243" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28927" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="On way  to do that is to create some new questions in MO." CreationDate="2023-07-31T14:01:52.407" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28928" PostId="5717" Score="5" Text="@Ali: I think it's a good idea to not bother people in general. People come and people go. It is the nature of communities, online ones in particular." CreationDate="2023-07-31T14:25:32.160" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28929" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila  It is not bothering people with asking them to join again, the people   who were very active in MO and they disconnect based on unknown reason." CreationDate="2023-07-31T14:29:36.620" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28930" PostId="5717" Score="6" Text="@Ali: You don't seem to understand my point. You *don't know* why they stopped participating. It's their business, and if they want to rejoin, they will rejoin. Full stop. Anything beyond that is off-site harassment which we do not take lightly." CreationDate="2023-07-31T14:33:09.263" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28931" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila  In my  comments on this post there is no any evidence of &quot;bothering&quot; I  would appreciate if you explain why you are talking about bothering?" CreationDate="2023-07-31T14:37:52.470" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28933" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="Any way the comment of qed in the following post is interesting some how similar to a point I mentioned in above" CreationDate="2023-08-01T15:31:03.337" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28935" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/617/best-of-mathoverflow-or-papers-inspired-by-mathoverflow#comment3075_617" CreationDate="2023-08-01T15:32:42.037" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="28955" PostId="5717" Score="1" Text="@RodrigodeAzevedo: On twitter is correct, In a tweet is correct, On a tweet is incorrect. :-) But thanks for the poster's name." CreationDate="2023-08-05T19:39:32.133" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="28956" PostId="5717" Score="1" Text="@JosephO'Rourke Corrected!" CreationDate="2023-08-05T19:43:58.380" UserId="91764" />
  <row Id="28887" PostId="5718" Score="4" Text="The preview only users an answer. I would guess that the problem might be that both the question and the answer contain `\label{1}\tag{$U$}` - but the problem that the same label is used twice on one page only manifests when both the question and the answer are displayed. This is what I [recently edited](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/451475/revisions)." CreationDate="2023-07-26T05:25:55.087" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28888" PostId="5718" Score="0" Text="This post on [math.meta.se] seems to be about a problem caused by the same thing: &#xA;[Equations not shown, as if there is a problem with MathJax](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/32825)." CreationDate="2023-07-26T05:52:40.737" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28889" PostId="5718" Score="0" Text="There is no point in the equation having a label at all, as it is never referenced (and there is no reason it ever should be, in such a short post)." CreationDate="2023-07-26T05:59:10.423" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28892" PostId="5718" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5718/why-would-an-equation-render-on-preview-and-in-an-external-tex-compiler-but-not#comment28889_5718), while each person has their own labelling preferences, I think that argument is easy to accept; but I think it is also probably orthogonal to the question—whether, as @‍MartinSleziak [suggests](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5719), the problem is *caused* by the label probably has little to do with whether the label *belongs*." CreationDate="2023-07-26T15:16:18.623" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28916" PostId="5718" Score="1" Text="Thank you for asking this. I was wondering the same and never got around to it! :)" CreationDate="2023-07-29T21:01:01.470" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="28891" PostId="5719" Score="0" Text="&quot;this might be some problem with duplicate label&quot;—oh, that makes perfect sense!  I was so focussed on the post in isolation that I forgot that labels are per-page things.  It also makes sense of why things would be fine on preview—the 'other' U label isn't there yet.  Thank you!" CreationDate="2023-07-26T15:14:27.807" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28893" PostId="5719" Score="4" Text="I would encourage users to use more expressive labels (not just `1`, for example).  In fact, including their userID or something unique to them would help.  E.g., `\label{LSpice-1}` rather than `\label{1}` would be a useful way to avoid label clashes." CreationDate="2023-07-26T19:55:48.927" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="28895" PostId="5719" Score="3" Text="Of course, the `\tag` can be anything you want, it is the `\label` that is causing the expression to fail." CreationDate="2023-07-26T23:43:01.553" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="28896" PostId="5719" Score="1" Text="@DavideCervone, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5718/why-would-an-equation-render-on-preview-and-in-an-external-tex-compiler-but-not#comment28893_5719), I look forward to everyone labelling their equations `LSpice-1`.  (@‍IosifPinelis has the interesting approach of numbering equations by 10s, in the hope of avoiding conflicts.)" CreationDate="2023-07-27T01:11:23.893" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28899" PostId="5719" Score="0" Text="@DavideCervone I wonder whether `\label{1}` appears in some standard help file. Otherwise I can't understand why so many users are automatically putting it in all their tagged equations even though they do not use the `\label`-`\ref` facility at all." CreationDate="2023-07-27T07:18:22.873" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28910" PostId="5719" Score="1" Text="@EmilJeřábek, I am not able to find anywhere that that is suggested.  But I suppose they are doing it to make the label match the tag, which they probably start at equation number 1 (even if other answers already include an equation numbered 1)." CreationDate="2023-07-28T19:56:25.013" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="28911" PostId="5719" Score="2" Text="@LSpice, no doubt you are right, now everyone will use `LSpice-1` instead of `1`.  Sigh." CreationDate="2023-07-28T19:57:11.420" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="28913" PostId="5719" Score="2" Text="@DavideCervone I almost never use `\label` in MathJax - so here I was basically just trying what works without really understanding what I'm doing. And this post was meant as a &quot;sandbox&quot; for testing - not as a genuine answer.&#xA;Would you perhaps be willing to post an answer explaining at least basic dos and don'ts concerning `\label`, `\tag` (and maybe some related commands)?  (Or maybe some brief explanation with a link to some documentation - if something suitable is available on https://www.mathjax.org/ or elsewhere.)" CreationDate="2023-07-29T05:10:02.980" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28917" PostId="5719" Score="0" Text="[Re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5718/why-would-an-equation-render-on-preview-and-in-an-external-tex-compiler-but-not#comment28913_5719), I second @‍MartinSleziak's suggestion/request.  I'm not sure which answer would then be appropriate to accept, but I doubt @DavideCervone or @‍MartinSleziak would be much fussed either way.  (Amusingly, I note that all of @‍DavideCervone's [answers](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/search?q=user%3A38515+is%3Aanswer) here are to my questions. )" CreationDate="2023-07-29T22:31:51.497" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28904" PostId="5720" Score="7" Text="Thank you as always for these updates!" CreationDate="2023-07-27T18:10:15.857" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="28907" PostId="5720" Score="5" Text="You're welcome! ^_^" CreationDate="2023-07-27T22:46:20.050" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28932" PostId="5720" Score="0" Text="Could you comment on the moderator attitude towards the recently-announced integration of generative AI tools into SO products (&quot;OverflowAI&quot;)? Will moderators have any say in the implementation of these tools where they will impact SO, such as the generation of questions?" CreationDate="2023-08-01T12:54:59.023" UserId="95129" />
  <row Id="28936" PostId="5720" Score="3" Text="It looks like an agreement was reached and the strike is over. https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/391847/moderation-strike-results-of-negotiations" CreationDate="2023-08-03T01:14:24.707" UserId="39654" />
  <row Id="28948" PostId="5720" Score="0" Text="@MorganRogers sorry for the slow reply. I don't really know enough, but it seems like a bad idea to me—certainly for MathOverflow, and I hope it will be not a blanket implementation network wide." CreationDate="2023-08-05T00:54:07.517" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28900" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="You start out &quot;wondering, should Mathoverflow take a stand against Stackexchange for their use of AI?&quot; but you seem to have convinced yourself (&quot;I believe that Mathoverflow should take a stand against AI&quot;). But more to the point, I don't know what you are referring to when you say Stackexchange is using AI. Maybe you could elaborate on that." CreationDate="2023-07-27T13:32:22.430" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28901" PostId="5721" Score="2" Text="I think that if MathOverflow takes a stand against anything, it should be people who are so sure of their own value judgments that they feel fine about co-opting large diverse organizations into endorsing them." CreationDate="2023-07-27T13:46:45.997" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="28902" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="@StevenLandsburg ... I guess the answer is ... no then." CreationDate="2023-07-27T13:50:54.527" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="28903" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [At what point should MO recognise it needs to leave Stack Exchange Inc?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5669/at-what-point-should-mo-recognise-it-needs-to-leave-stack-exchange-inc)" CreationDate="2023-07-27T17:11:35.190" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28905" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="If we ban AI here, how are we supposed to ask questions and give answers on MO that will make AI safer?" CreationDate="2023-07-27T19:28:03.403" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="28906" PostId="5721" Score="6" Text="AI is coming. Much like genetic engineering, clean energy, and quantum computing. Nothing short of a global catastrophe is going to stop that. Pretending that we can prevent AI coming into our lives is tantamount to burning textile machines in England. If you have a vested interest in this being safer, be a policy maker, an advocate, and a researcher on the frontier of it all." CreationDate="2023-07-27T21:56:15.940" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="28912" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="In view of the &quot;ratchet effect&quot; caused by the fact that one can upvote comments but not downvote them: my personal stance differs from Asaf's, but nevertheless my answer to Jason's question would be &quot;no&quot;." CreationDate="2023-07-28T20:58:30.090" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="28915" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="It is not practical for MO to get rid of AI since the search bar that we use to search for questions uses AI. It will not be practical for MO to dictate what kinds of AI are allowable and which kinds are not allowable since that will be very complicated and divisive." CreationDate="2023-07-29T15:32:45.193" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="28918" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="If someone wants to make sure that AI is safer, one should donate one's disposable income to AI safety research or conduct some AI safety research by one's self (most mathematicians should be able to figure out some AI safety research). This is better than imposing rules on others." CreationDate="2023-07-30T12:35:25.667" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="28923" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="@JosephVanName ... I wasn't trying to impose a rule on anyone. I was wondering if there was a strong consensus in the community about this issue. This post told me there was not, and so I really don't care about trying to impose anything on the mathematical &quot;community&quot;. I am happy to go elsewhere." CreationDate="2023-07-30T16:07:25.823" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="28937" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="@JasonPolak An attempt to ban AI from another community will be counterproductive as well. Since you are concerned about AI, you should either stay offline and off the grid, or you can work on AI safety. Right now, many people have trouble figuring out what trained neural networks are actually doing, so we need to develop and investigate more AI interpretability tools." CreationDate="2023-08-03T12:17:40.810" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="28943" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="@JosephVanName Thanks for your advice, I am working on AI safety by writing about it and informing people of its dangers. You may not agree with this line of action, but I believe (for a variety of reasons that wouldn't fit in this box), but I believe that course of action is the only morally correct one. Simply playing the prisoner's dilemma as you suggest I believe is not the right way to go and I will never in my life contribute one iota of understanding to AI and how they work, so that someone else can build a better AI. Suffice it to say, I disagree with everything you say on every level." CreationDate="2023-08-04T13:54:37.413" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="28945" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="@JasonPolak To continue the discussion, we should go to the AI safety chat room that I created. https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/147565/ai-safety So you want people to know about the dangers of AI, but you want them to not understand AI?" CreationDate="2023-08-04T15:12:54.707" UserId="22277" />
  <row Id="28982" PostId="5723" Score="0" Text="I don't understand the concern about &quot;elementary number theory&quot; being a subset of &quot;number theory.&quot; &quot;Analytic number theory&quot; and &quot;algebraic number theory&quot; are subsets of &quot;number theory,&quot; but of course it is totally appropriate for them to be tags too." CreationDate="2023-08-10T14:56:30.537" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="28983" PostId="5723" Score="0" Text="@SamHopkins I mentioned this mainly because this is a problem on [math.se], as mentioned in the post. (OTOH as you can see, the question where the tag was created does have any top-level tag.)" CreationDate="2023-08-10T17:24:53.023" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28984" PostId="5723" Score="0" Text="Anyway, probably the fact that this tag was created and removed several times in the past is a sufficient reason to bring it up here on meta." CreationDate="2023-08-10T19:30:36.457" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28986" PostId="5723" Score="3" Text="I suspect that some of the angst over this tag stems from the fact that the word &quot;elementary,&quot; especially in the context of number theory, [is ambiguous](https://mathoverflow.net/a/444710/). Does it mean &quot;avoids complex analysis&quot; or does it mean &quot;can be stated using very little machinery&quot;? Since mathematicians abhor ambiguity, we are tempted to get rid of ambiguous tags rather than live with them." CreationDate="2023-08-12T00:04:35.180" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="28987" PostId="5723" Score="0" Text="Related to Timothy Chow's comment: [Why were proofs avoiding complex analysis preferred in number theory? Is this distinction still important?](https://math.stackexchange.com/q/1096166)" CreationDate="2023-08-12T07:50:07.343" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29021" PostId="5723" Score="0" Text="In the meantime, this occurrence of (elementary-number-theory) [was removed](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2023/8/15)." CreationDate="2023-08-24T05:25:49.640" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28938" PostId="5725" Score="9" Text="Just to check whether you're aware of [saves](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/saves/info). You can organize saved questions into various list and for each saved question you can leave a private note of length upto 500 characters.&#xA;[meta.se]: [Bookmarks have evolved into Saves](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/382019) and the [corresponding tag-info](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/saves/info)." CreationDate="2023-08-03T13:04:25.510" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28939" PostId="5725" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you, I wasn't aware, this should do most of what I want. Perhaps hyperlinking notes is still not there as far as I could tell but maybe it is too much to ask for." CreationDate="2023-08-03T15:10:34.583" UserId="2533" />
  <row Id="28981" PostId="5725" Score="3" Text="FWIW, I should point out that &quot;adding features to MO&quot; means, outside small things like updating local scripts that have small effects like hiding rep by default, trying to get them added to the entire StackExchange platform." CreationDate="2023-08-10T01:52:01.250" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28940" PostId="5726" Score="1" Text="My opinion: there's nothing wrong with having the question on both sites, so long as you link each to the other." CreationDate="2023-08-03T21:56:32.397" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28941" PostId="5726" Score="1" Text="Should this be tagged (migration)? BTW [migration](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/migration/info) preserves the answers, too. However, only the mods can migrate to [hsm.se]. See the FAQ and various previous discussions: [What outgoing migration paths should we have?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/141) (and the [questions linked there](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/141)) or [When voting to close, only 3 alternative SE listed as options](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5315) (and the [questions linked there](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/5315))." CreationDate="2023-08-04T04:23:35.213" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28942" PostId="5726" Score="0" Text="It is worth mentioning that migration to [hsm.se] wasn't without controversy in the past. (OTOH it is a bit different if this is requested directly by the OP.)&#xA;Some previous discussions: [Is there a consensus on whether history of mathematics questions are acceptable on MO?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/394) and [Why was &quot;The origin(s) of the word “elliptic” migrated to hsm?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4566)." CreationDate="2023-08-04T04:25:15.940" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28951" PostId="5727" Score="1" Text="Thanks, this is also worth exploring but not quite as powerful as functionality added to MO itself." CreationDate="2023-08-05T09:18:05.520" UserId="2533" />
  <row Id="28944" PostId="5731" Score="1" Text="Tangentially I'll mention that there is a tag called ([tag:mathematical-writing]). Perhaps by browsing the tag one could see what type of questions were asked in the past and how they were received." CreationDate="2023-08-04T14:43:06.857" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28946" PostId="5731" Score="1" Text="Although looking at the second part (with the actual question at hand), I am not sure whether it wouldn't be closer to the tags ([tag:advice]) and ([tag:research]) rather than ([tag:mathematical-writing]). (Probably it would be somewhere in the overlap of these tags.)" CreationDate="2023-08-04T18:04:31.043" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28947" PostId="5731" Score="0" Text="I would personally have no problem seeing questions like this; it is a question inextricably related to mathematics research so long as papers are the format we report mathematics in." CreationDate="2023-08-04T18:28:11.630" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="28949" PostId="5731" Score="0" Text="Given that there is already a tag called mathematical writing, I take that it is generally acceptable to ask questions about writing mathematics on the main site. Thanks!" CreationDate="2023-08-05T02:55:26.833" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="28953" PostId="5731" Score="2" Text="There's also a tag called *society*, and a tag called *dream-mathematics*, and one called *arithmetic*, and one called *poker*, .... I don't think one can conclude much from the existence of a tag." CreationDate="2023-08-05T12:26:16.947" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="30755" PostId="5731" Score="0" Text="it sounds like your question was previously asked: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/11366/when-to-split-merge-papers" CreationDate="2024-03-08T20:10:29.043" UserId="130484" />
  <row Id="28950" PostId="5732" Score="2" Text="Since you've mentioned the tag ([tag:open-problems]), I will mention that the intended usage of this tag is unclear: [What should the tag (open-problems) be used for?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4344)" CreationDate="2023-08-05T07:38:01.370" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28957" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I see. Thank you. I see it is still unanswered. Do you know who can I ask about this? Should I email the moderators? Because I am genuinely wondering if I can post open problems too from my article like in that MO post." CreationDate="2023-08-05T21:56:21.343" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28958" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="I’m skeptical of the value of tabulating open questions on MathOverflow. It just doesn’t play to the strengths of the platform, and would be too random and unfocused to be useful for someone looking for things to think about. That’s also why I think that other attempts at similar things on the internet have failed. The collections of problems I know about that have been influential were pretty focused, and also were not isolated problems but part of a narrative about where a field was moving.  A good example of that in my field is this: https://www.math.uchicago.edu/~farb/papers/mcgbook.pdf" CreationDate="2023-08-06T03:40:33.997" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="28960" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="@AndyPutman &quot;too random and unfocused&quot; is a very frequent issue with current MO questions too. And the solution is for experts to nudge the OP to clarify. I will be happy to help OPs clarify their open-problems in my area." CreationDate="2023-08-06T04:17:36.607" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28961" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="Both can be available i.e. both a good well-edited long list of problems and also small technical questions thought by one person. For example, many professors carry lists of big-small technical problems in their websites. So MO can be a great place to host many of those problems regardless of the state of the initial website (i.e. website closing down)." CreationDate="2023-08-06T04:21:19.527" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28962" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="The versatility of MO is also its very power. A site dedicated to just collecting open-problems seems to quickly die out because there is no other source of traffic." CreationDate="2023-08-06T04:23:36.153" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28963" PostId="5732" Score="2" Text="I think you miss my point.  MO is very good at one specific thing (getting answers to questions), and I don’t think its format adapts well to other sorts of things.  I also don’t think giant collections of random open problems in different fields adds much value to the world.  That format just doesn’t match up with how mathematicians come to be interested in questions.  I think that’s why sites trying to do that aren’t really successful." CreationDate="2023-08-06T04:25:57.773" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="28964" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="Different people choose open-questions to work with in different ways. Some questions can inspire them in their own research." CreationDate="2023-08-06T04:27:31.120" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28965" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="Yes, but this format accommodates a variety of types questions. I think that the open-questions will fit nicely since eventually if well-posed, they have a final answer. If not well-posed, then there will be answer too. No different than the current MO situation of giving positive answers or counterexamples or explaining why the question is not well-posed." CreationDate="2023-08-06T04:28:10.743" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28966" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="For example, in the post I linked before, I imagine the OP will eventually just type an answer saying the answer got resolved by authors XYZ. I enjoyed reading the updates too." CreationDate="2023-08-06T04:36:27.923" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28967" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="Can we at least experiment with some very restricted versions of &quot;open-problems&quot;? There is a tag already. So we can include more restrictions eg. maybe the requirement to also include some corresponding reference for those who want to read more context. Then the moderators can adjust the requirements accordingly." CreationDate="2023-08-06T04:45:06.450" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28968" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="But anyhow, I am genuinely interested on whether the above post was within current MO-policy." CreationDate="2023-08-06T04:46:39.800" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28969" PostId="5732" Score="2" Text="At the very least, questions on open problems shouldn't be solely asking well-known open problems. Perusing the list of questions tagged [tag:open-problem] reveals generally suitable and sometime very carefully and narrowly-worded queries." CreationDate="2023-08-06T05:45:14.277" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28970" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts I agree, I upvote. There should be genuine effort to have a specific technical question." CreationDate="2023-08-06T05:51:58.753" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28974" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts Is it within current MO policy to post narrow-open questions as the one in the post mentioned above? If possible, I would like to get an official answer below maybe mentioning some criteria to help me in writing my question." CreationDate="2023-08-06T16:32:49.370" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28975" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="Hmm, my gut feeling is that it was OK, because it was so specialised, and effort was put into the questions. It's the low-effort questions that should be avoided, and those without hope of an answer. One might ask a really astute question about a little-known equivalent to the Riemann Hypothesis, that essentially asks for a proof of it. Clearly not productive. Almost by definition, many questions asked here are open problems, just that only very few people have considered them (and possibly just one person!)" CreationDate="2023-08-07T13:55:58.757" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28976" PostId="5732" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Ok would you mind posting this as an official answer below so that I can refer to it? There seems to be a lot of ambiguity on this, so it would be nice to get a clean answer from a moderator." CreationDate="2023-08-07T17:37:37.423" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28977" PostId="5732" Score="1" Text="@ThomasKojar Isn't pretty much *every* interesting question on MO a small open problem the OP cannot solve him/herself or find in the literature? Granted, some of them aren't too difficult, but you cannot possibly know that until somebody presents a solution. The policy (AFAIK) is just not to allow one to post questions everyone has heard of without MO and such that nobody has any clue about how to approach them (so no Navier-Stokes, Collatz, P=NP, etc.)." CreationDate="2023-08-07T19:40:45.467" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="28978" PostId="5732" Score="0" Text="@fedja I agree and I upvote, but from reading previous similar meta-MO-posts, there seem to be disputes about this and how the tag &quot;open problems&quot; should be used. So I just want to get a clean answer from a moderator below that I can refer to it. Setting some clear guidelines. For example, the post I mentioned above was just answered with a reference to the resolution of the open problem." CreationDate="2023-08-07T19:42:57.147" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28979" PostId="5732" Score="0" Text="Can we follow the template of that post? It was nice that the MO post was mentioned in the arxiv article resolving the open problem." CreationDate="2023-08-07T20:01:47.233" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="28954" PostId="5733" Score="11" Text="Hooray!${}{}{}$" CreationDate="2023-08-05T12:28:38.737" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="28999" PostId="5735" Score="0" Text="You have mentioned a few times the tag (open-problem). Such tag currently does not exists - there is a tag called (open-problems). The moderator who changed the name mentioned that he does not see this as a suitable tag for a *single* open problems - it seems to be closer to (open-problems-list), which existed in the past.&#xA;See also: [What should the tag (open-problems) be used for?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4344)" CreationDate="2023-08-19T04:29:56.630" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29001" PostId="5735" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak gosh, silly me, that was an accident" CreationDate="2023-08-19T10:18:25.600" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29002" PostId="5735" Score="0" Text="However, @Martin, let me point out eg [tag:ra.rings-and-algebras], [tag:ds.dynamical-systems],... are plural by name, but can be used for the singular. The use of [tag:open-problems] is very much edge-case territory, and aside from some general examples that are on- or off-topic, it might beta case of &quot;I know it when I see it&quot;" CreationDate="2023-08-19T10:33:29.420" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="28985" PostId="5737" Score="16" Text="Good to have you back!" CreationDate="2023-08-10T22:09:17.580" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="28992" PostId="5737" Score="4" Text="Yes, very glad to have you back. One could tell the difference!" CreationDate="2023-08-17T21:21:57.583" UserId="20787" />
  <row Id="28988" PostId="5741" Score="4" Text="I wonder whether you might have bigger chance of getting some useful response on [su] or [apple.se] rather then here.&#xA;Two questions which seem relatively natural: Does this happen on other Stack Exchange sites, too? Does this happen only on pages with MathJax?" CreationDate="2023-08-15T03:23:01.497" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28989" PostId="5741" Score="1" Text="What posts? Posts with several MathJax-heavy answers (such as this one: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/330683/dividing-a-cake-between-n-1-n-or-n1-guests/452721) have always required lots of CPU to finish rendering of all the MathJax snippets." CreationDate="2023-08-15T06:25:23.320" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="28990" PostId="5741" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Yes, that post does cause the problem, so it probably is something to do with MathJax. Thanks for your help. I do still find it odd that even after the MathJax rendering is complete, the CPU is still at 100% usage for a while." CreationDate="2023-08-15T07:48:20.150" UserId="460592" />
  <row Id="29015" PostId="5741" Score="1" Text="I have at least mentioned this in the chatrooms for [Super User](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/118/2023/8/22) and [Ask Different](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/38/2023/8/22) - you can see for yourself what response was there so far. (We'll see whether somebody will add some useful advice there.) If nothing else, one user mentions the same behavior under Windows - so this doesn't seem to be specific to Mac." CreationDate="2023-08-22T14:43:44.700" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29016" PostId="5741" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @MartinSleziak!" CreationDate="2023-08-22T22:00:01.830" UserId="460592" />
  <row Id="29017" PostId="5741" Score="0" Text="Conforming that FF on linux does the same - 100% CPU usage when that example tab is displayed, but normally idle when any other tab is selected.   Curiiously, FF's own task manager at `about:performance`   might not even show a line for that tab, and when it did was only displaying &quot;power impact: medium`" CreationDate="2023-08-22T23:02:03.910" UserId="490495" />
  <row Id="28993" PostId="5742" Score="0" Text="From the initial version of your post, I deduce that you are not an experienced English speaker. I therefore took the liberty to reformulate your question, in an attempt to make what you meant to ask clearer." CreationDate="2023-08-18T06:53:40.960" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="28994" PostId="5742" Score="0" Text="As mentioned in some previous discussions, one can use [Wayback Machine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayback_Machine) to make sure that some version remains available regardless of existence of a specific post or the MathOverflow site as a whole. For example: [Stable url for linking](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2193) or  [Citing a mathoverflow comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5288)." CreationDate="2023-08-18T07:04:13.743" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="28995" PostId="5742" Score="0" Text="If you're asking mainly in connection with citing MO posts, perhaps the tag ([meta-tag:citations]) could be suitable here." CreationDate="2023-08-18T07:06:45.800" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29000" PostId="5742" Score="6" Text="Sensible posts that are substantial enough to warrant a citation have a negligible risk of getting deleted. If one cites a post that’s so terrible that it risks deletion, they should suffer the consequences." CreationDate="2023-08-19T07:37:32.043" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29003" PostId="5742" Score="0" Text="The initial version of the question reads as follows Title: **Is it good to delete questions?** Body: *While internet can be reffered in papers and its a math site; why do they delete some questions? Maybe someone has come by an idea in the question and its necessary for readers to refer to.*" CreationDate="2023-08-20T18:33:22.130" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29011" PostId="5742" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek I dont agree with you. Maybe Galois works had no point for lots of mathematicians in his era; But then... Everyone knows what happend." CreationDate="2023-08-21T08:22:19.737" UserId="510398" />
  <row Id="29012" PostId="5742" Score="0" Text="@Martin Sleziak So good" CreationDate="2023-08-21T08:52:17.723" UserId="510398" />
  <row Id="28996" PostId="5743" Score="7" Text="No, this is not an appropriate place for that." CreationDate="2023-08-18T09:36:37.457" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="28997" PostId="5743" Score="5" Text="[math.meta.se]: [Is asking to verify my P=NP proof appropriate?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/35920) and [cstheory.meta.se]: [Is asking to verify my P=NP proof appropriate?](https://cstheory.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3103)" CreationDate="2023-08-18T11:59:00.707" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29004" PostId="5745" Score="3" Text="As you can see in [the revision history](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/286732/revisions) and [in the timeline](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/286732/timeline), the linked question is [protected](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/protected-questions/info).&#xA;Only users with reputation at least 10 can answer such questions - but I don't assume this is a problem in your case.&#xA;When I scroll to the bottom of the page, I can click on [answer this question button](https://i.stack.imgur.com/0JN4H.png) and after that, the answer box appears. (I am on a desktop - I did not check from a mobile device.)" CreationDate="2023-08-20T22:05:43.090" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29005" PostId="5745" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Thank you. yes I am from a mobile. I try with desktop now" CreationDate="2023-08-20T22:08:41.833" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="29006" PostId="5745" Score="0" Text="Somewhat related posts on [meta.se]: [Under what conditions is the answer box replaced with an &quot;Answer this question&quot; button?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/307768) and [Add a message when posting to old questions with more than N answers](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/84870). (Buy I do not se anything about difference between a desktop and a mobile there.)" CreationDate="2023-08-20T22:11:02.103" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29007" PostId="5745" Score="3" Text="Is it possible that the problem actually is that if you have the [association bonus](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/association-bonus/info), then you actually need 110 reputation points to answer? It seems that you have asked about such problem previously: [There is no an answer button for certain Wiki question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3413). Other related posts on this meta: [Why I am not allowed to answer protected questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5152) and [Trouble understanding criterion to answer protected question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1120)." CreationDate="2023-08-20T22:20:23.520" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29008" PostId="5745" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I have  again the same problem via desktop. I do not find an answer box  or answer this question button. I would appreciate if you help me" CreationDate="2023-08-20T22:20:39.567" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="29009" PostId="5745" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Yes I see I forgot my meta question you linked too. any way I would appreciate if you help me to remove this problem(if it is possible for you)" CreationDate="2023-08-20T22:23:34.420" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="29010" PostId="5745" Score="4" Text="I don't really know any other way how to resolve this than earning enough reputation points to get above the threshold. (Possibly some user [with sufficient reputation](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/protect-questions) could unprotect the question. But I assume they were reasons for protecting the question - so maybe it is better if it remains protected.)" CreationDate="2023-08-21T05:03:27.227" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29013" PostId="5745" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak  Ok, I see, Thank you" CreationDate="2023-08-21T10:56:33.343" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="29014" PostId="5745" Score="2" Text="So, it seems this is a reason not to bounty yourself down below $110$." CreationDate="2023-08-21T14:03:53.303" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="29018" PostId="5746" Score="2" Text="You can leave a comment for the OP to consider deleting and posting on a different site, or you can raise a flag to migrate the question. However, in the vast majority of cases the correct resolution is to simply close as off topic, I'm afraid." CreationDate="2023-08-23T20:46:59.757" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29019" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="Some similar question from the past: [Recommending to move the question to another site](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3739) and [Redirection for off-topics posts](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3046)." CreationDate="2023-08-24T01:30:45.023" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29020" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="There is also this: [What outgoing migration paths should we have?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/141) and [several questions linked there](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/linked/141) are somewhat related.&#xA;In the [corresponding tag info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/migration/info) on can find some useful links, such as the FAQ post on [meta.se]:  [What is migration and how does it work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/10249)" CreationDate="2023-08-24T01:30:50.263" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29023" PostId="5746" Score="6" Text="Right now we have 3 options of places to migrate to via a closure. I don't see why it would be cumbersome to have ~10 instead, and it would be quite useful. They can even be sorted by salience (e.g., Math Stack Exchange at the top, since that's by far the most common)." CreationDate="2023-08-24T12:51:51.713" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="29022" PostId="5748" Score="8" Text="this was quite possibly a mistaken deletion, I would just flag it to the moderators, and I'm sure it will be resolved; mistakes happen, I would not read too much into this." CreationDate="2023-08-24T11:50:51.770" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="29024" PostId="5748" Score="1" Text="@CarloBeenakker Thanks, have done. I appreciate that people were working quickly to get through a large backlog, and mistakes do happen" CreationDate="2023-08-24T14:10:54.997" UserId="509687" />
  <row Id="29025" PostId="5748" Score="0" Text="Deletion of answers seems like quite a big deal, though, so perhaps there should be a check in place; eg, maybe an answer is &quot;proposed for deletion&quot;, then is only deleted if another mod confirms this. Of course, this adds _more_ work for the (volunteer) mods..." CreationDate="2023-08-24T14:11:25.037" UserId="509687" />
  <row Id="29026" PostId="5748" Score="2" Text="&quot;I see that a moderator deleted my question.&quot; I don't see that, at all. I see that a moderator deleted your *answer*. Maybe because your answer ended with several questions, indicating that it wasn't complete?" CreationDate="2023-08-24T22:50:25.443" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="29027" PostId="5748" Score="3" Text="@GerryMyerson, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5748/drive-by-deletion-of-answer-to-own-question-by-moderator#comment29026_5748), since the rest of the post shows that ‘question’ there was certainly a mis-type for ‘answer’, I have edited accordingly." CreationDate="2023-08-25T00:54:04.947" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29030" PostId="5748" Score="1" Text="Yes! Thank you, thank you! My apologies. As per the *title*, and the *self-answer* reference, it was indeed the *answer* which was deleted. Writing *question* in the body was a typo. Thank you, LSpice, for correcting this " CreationDate="2023-08-25T08:36:54.573" UserId="509687" />
  <row Id="29046" PostId="5750" Score="4" Text="All good, mistakes happen. We live and learn! Particularly easy when clearly large backlog—which, incidentally, was done extremely promptly by the mods, in my view. [PS. I thought I had already written this in a comment, but it's not there any more... maybe it was removed or maybe I'm going insane!]" CreationDate="2023-08-31T09:50:18.963" UserId="509687" />
  <row Id="29038" PostId="5751" Score="9" Text="Imaginary internet points aren't enough?" CreationDate="2023-08-28T21:16:13.970" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="29039" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="tea archive [is currently down](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4438), but one can find in the Wayback Machine this discussion: [Is this question acceptable?: 100€ bounty: Do invariant measures maximize the integral?](https://web.archive.org/web/20150910105257/https://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/1212/100-bounty-do-invariant-measures-maximize-the-integral/)&#xA;It was related to this questions: [Do invariant measures maximize the integral?](https://mathoverflow.net/q/74387) And it links to this one as another example: ..." CreationDate="2023-08-28T21:23:53.427" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29040" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="... [How many integer partitions of a googol (10^100) into at most 60 parts](https://mathoverflow.net/q/71092).&#xA;There was also this question: [Positive integers written as $\binom{w}2+\binom{x}4+\binom{y}6+\binom{z}8$ with $w,x,y,z\in\{2,3,\ldots\}$](https://mathoverflow.net/q/323541)" CreationDate="2023-08-28T21:24:20.607" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29041" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="Perhaps this post is tangentially related: [Should metaMO allow actual requests for mathematical consulting services to be remunerated either by honoraria or by &quot;usual and customary&quot; fees?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3521)&#xA;And there is this discussion on [meta.se]: [Offering actual money as a bounty?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/25615) Several of [the linked questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/25615) is related to the same topic." CreationDate="2023-08-28T21:24:29.723" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29042" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="Do you mean to offer the money before the question is answered, as an inducement, or after it's been answered, as a gesture of thanks?" CreationDate="2023-08-29T01:17:19.197" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29043" PostId="5751" Score="12" Text="I'd be against posts proposing money in exchange of an answer, because I appreciate the fact that questions on MO are ranked and considered according to their interest and popularity, and not according to the owner's ability/will to provide money." CreationDate="2023-08-29T09:24:57.720" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29044" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@David Roberts I meant offering money before the question is answered." CreationDate="2023-08-30T05:45:39.140" UserId="51389" />
  <row Id="29066" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="Well, what if you post a particular question and then include in the post the link to your website listing bounties for them? Then it is up to the person whether they want to collect it to contact you about it. But then you will have to do the work to verify if that person is them or not. So it sounds pretty hard from your end." CreationDate="2023-09-05T03:21:33.097" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="29045" PostId="5752" Score="5" Text="It's not a binary symbol. Semantically, &quot;punctuation&quot; is probably the closest match among TeX symbol categories, so it's appropriate to format it as just `\lambda x.f`. And anyway, just about everybody does that, so you can consider it the typographical standard." CreationDate="2023-08-31T05:42:08.150" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29048" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek : How is it done in the _Pacific Journal of Mathematics_?" CreationDate="2023-08-31T18:19:40.237" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="29049" PostId="5752" Score="3" Text="I don't know. Why don't you check it?" CreationDate="2023-08-31T19:12:27.693" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29057" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek : Via search engines I couldn't quickly find any lambda-calculus notation in PJoM. I mentioned them because they are fastidious about normative rules of typesetting when it comes to details that most people would never notice." CreationDate="2023-09-01T21:13:59.147" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="29160" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="If this is for submission to a journal, then I would heavily discourage use of the macro name `\.`.  Journals use their own macros, and uncommon single-character macro names like this seem particularly prone to unexpected conflict.  (I agree with being discomfited by treating the `.` as punctuation when, say, the $\mapsto$ in the mathematician's version $f \mapsto g \mapsto x  \mapsto f(g(x))$ is not so treated, but here I agree with @EmilJeřábek's [comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/29045) that one should probably regard this as established convention nonetheless.)" CreationDate="2023-10-23T17:25:28.803" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29161" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="@LSpice Good point. No need to hypothesize about journals’ own macros: `\.` already *is* a standard LaTeX command (for the text-mode dot-above diacritic), and overloading standard commands in a submission is a bad idea indeed." CreationDate="2023-10-23T17:39:58.573" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29162" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5752/should-the-dots-used-in-lambda-calculus-notation-be-typographically-treated-the#comment29161_5752), ah, thanks.  I remembered the spacing macros `\!`, `\,`, `\ `, `\;`, and `\:` (and probably others), but forgot the existing meaning of `\.`." CreationDate="2023-10-23T17:43:21.000" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29050" PostId="5753" Score="0" Text="Perhaps the tag ([meta-tag:deleted-accounts]) would be suitable here. I am not sure whether the tag ([meta-tag:policy]) is really needed." CreationDate="2023-09-01T11:15:06.293" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29051" PostId="5753" Score="1" Text="&quot;StackOverflow&quot;? Do you mean, MathOverflow?" CreationDate="2023-09-01T13:00:07.390" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="29052" PostId="5753" Score="1" Text="@GerryMyerson yes, edited." CreationDate="2023-09-01T13:12:50.323" UserId="512645" />
  <row Id="29053" PostId="5753" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak done" CreationDate="2023-09-01T13:12:56.803" UserId="512645" />
  <row Id="29067" PostId="5754" Score="1" Text="See https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/280181/ive-lost-access-to-my-se-email-and-password-do-i-have-options  which have several options" CreationDate="2023-09-07T01:19:45.470" UserId="6494" />
  <row Id="29071" PostId="5757" Score="1" Text="@ Emil Jeřábek : Where I got the begin{aligned} is from [Stack Overflow](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51977563/aligning-multiple-equations-in-mathjax). I updated the equation using &quot;1, \quad \text{for m=} &amp; 1\\&quot;... and it seems to render well.  Thank you for your help.  I am also attempting to update the question.  The part that I am still not understanding : why Stack Overflow article recommending a different way of MathJax layout (45 positive votes), while I could not find the article mentioning your technique. Maybe answer well &quot;Stack Exchange Aligning multiple equations in MathJax&quot;." CreationDate="2023-09-07T07:21:50.173" UserId="508873" />
  <row Id="29076" PostId="5757" Score="1" Text="If you took it from that answer, why didn’t you do it as in that answer, which is correct, and which is exactly what I recommended? (I have no idea what else do you mean by “my technique”.) It explains how to use `&amp;`  (including the fact that it goes in front of $=$ signs rather than after them). It does not suggest to omit the `&amp;`, nor does it suggest mixing `aligned` with `cases`." CreationDate="2023-09-07T08:27:57.347" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29083" PostId="5757" Score="1" Text="By &quot;your technique&quot; I meant the use of &quot;\left\{&quot; and &quot;\right.&quot;  I tried a web-search for **stack exchange \left\{  \right.** and came up with nothing that seemed to be to be simple enough and relevant to understand.  On the other hand, in my question, I included an independent link to &quot;cases&quot; usage.  It is not to say that &quot;your technique&quot; is not good.  Rather, I just am quickly starting out with something independently referenced and I might update it with your recommendation soon.  Thank you for your suggestions, and your insistence that I use them!" CreationDate="2023-09-07T13:46:34.757" UserId="508873" />
  <row Id="29087" PostId="5757" Score="1" Text="If you want to format things properly in MathJax, you should not write $\text{“for m=4”}$ (coded as `\text{for m=4}`) but rather $\text{“for } m = 4\text{”}$ (coded as `\text{for } m=4`). The thing that causes you to think that one font looks good and another looks terrible consists precisely of a large number of little things of just that kind. And Donald Knuth invented TeX (the ancestor of MathJax) with precisely that in mind.&#xA;$$&#xA;\begin{align}&#xA;\text{wrong: } &amp; \text{for m=4} \\ \text{right: }  &amp; \text{for } m=4&#xA;\end{align}&#xA;$$" CreationDate="2023-09-08T23:22:05.760" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="29088" PostId="5757" Score="1" Text="Also, you should not write `12345678901...`, but rather `12345678901\ldots`. In LaTeX (as opposed to MathJax) the latter will appear as $12345678901\text{...}$ rather than $12345678901\ldots \qquad$ $$\begin{align} &amp; 12345678901\text{...} \\ &amp; 12345678901\ldots \end{align} $$ The first version above is incorrect." CreationDate="2023-09-08T23:27:51.793" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="29122" PostId="5757" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5757/how-is-it-possible-to-format-a-right-aligned-sequence-that-has-single-and-double#comment29076_5757), to the extent that there is an agreed-upon best practice, it is surely the one supported by the AMS's LaTeX packages; but there is no pure-LaTeX obstruction to having `&amp;` after `=` instead of before, as long as you insert an atom: `1 ={} &amp; 2`.  This has come in handy for me in non-artificial circumstances where putting the `=` where the AMS expects would have taken significant re-arrangement." CreationDate="2023-09-28T23:28:55.480" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29123" PostId="5757" Score="0" Text="Yeah, yeah, but that's a completely pointless complication here when all the alignments are on the $=$ signs. Thank you for confusing the matter for the OP even more, as he is obviously not confused enough already." CreationDate="2023-09-29T05:09:33.973" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29072" PostId="5758" Score="1" Text="Please see my updated question with my new &quot;homework-what I have tried to do to resolve the issue, but I am not completely successful&quot;.   I think that the 1 should be directly left aligned against the equal sign, as with the 10 and 11.  With your recommended MathJax text, the &quot;begin{cases}&quot; and &quot;end{cases}&quot; are left out.  On my FireFox browser, when I test that, it drops the left bracket.  So there is no  confusion, please update your answer and answer  [Aligning multiple equations in MathJax](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51977563/aligning-multiple-equations-in-mathjax) also without {." CreationDate="2023-09-07T07:51:05.373" UserId="508873" />
  <row Id="29073" PostId="5758" Score="1" Text="If you want the numbers left-aligned, why did the question ask them to be right-aligned? This is the root of all trouble. It's easier for them to be left-aligned, as that is the natural formatting. Just omit all the `\phantom` stuff." CreationDate="2023-09-07T07:54:20.853" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29074" PostId="5758" Score="1" Text="The big { is perfectly standard MathJax, it is what `\begin{cases}..\end{cases}` does under the hood, and it renders fine in Firefox. If it does not work in your environment, something else is amiss with your font set-up or some such. Also try to bypass the cache." CreationDate="2023-09-07T08:13:48.760" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29075" PostId="5758" Score="1" Text="What does these &quot;\left\{&quot; and &quot;\right.&quot; do with MathJax?  I am accustomed with parenthesis to have &quot;\left( ...\right)&quot;; and for &quot;\left(&quot; it must have &quot;\right)&quot; to render under MathJax. But when I attempt a web-search for **Stack Exchange MathJax &quot;\right.&quot;** I come up with nothing that I find relevant.  If you could update your answer with an answer with a reference (preferably from a Stack Exchange website link) that could sort out my lack of understanding of the MathJax text.  Also, with the alignment, it is important that the &quot;for m = &quot; and &quot;for m &gt; &quot; signs are right-aligned as updated." CreationDate="2023-09-07T08:25:11.603" UserId="508873" />
  <row Id="29077" PostId="5758" Score="2" Text="In TeX (and MathJax), “.” serves as a dummy delimiter in `\left` or `\right` that matches the corresponding other delimiter, but renders empty. See e.g. https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/77593 ." CreationDate="2023-09-07T08:33:05.420" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29078" PostId="5758" Score="1" Text="The “for $m={}$” signs are right-aligned because they are adjacent to a first (i.e., odd-numbered) `&amp;` on the given line. This has nothing to do with whether the `&amp;` is put in front or after the $=$. This position has no bearing on the alignment of the $=$’s as all the $=$ signs have (obviously) identical width, but putting the `&amp;` after the $=$ breaks the spacing around $=$ as it is then not recognized as a binary relation symbol." CreationDate="2023-09-07T08:44:13.843" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29079" PostId="5758" Score="1" Text="I tried to upvote your answer just now because your support has been both thought-provoking (in a positive sense) as well as complete (to the extent that I am learning a lot about MathJax from your response).  However, I still do not have enough reputation for the upvote to count.   Thank you so much in any case!" CreationDate="2023-09-07T08:55:11.703" UserId="508873" />
  <row Id="29093" PostId="5760" Score="1" Text="You could include an example of such code in this meta post (in addition to the screenshot). It would serve also as a test - to see whether it is displayed incorrectly in the preview or even after posting. If it is only in preview, the tag ([meta-tag:markdown-preview]) would be suitable here." CreationDate="2023-09-11T04:53:01.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29094" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I will try, sometimes it does not work but when the text becomes too long it becomes an issue. I didn't include because I did not want to spam the post with potentially long piece of text, but now I will try to add." CreationDate="2023-09-11T04:56:47.043" UserId="127776" />
  <row Id="29095" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak I was having this issue for at least a week (probably more) but it got fixed now (can't replicate it anymore), not sure whether someone saw it and somehow fixed it or it sometimes happens and sometimes doesn't. Right now rendering is fast. I will try later." CreationDate="2023-09-11T05:03:13.467" UserId="127776" />
  <row Id="29098" PostId="5760" Score="1" Text="It looks like the markdown engine is using the `_` from the first `i_0` and matching it with the `_` in `i_1` and turning the text in between into italics by inserting `&lt;emph&gt;` (or some other HTML to get italics), which means MathJax won't find a terminating `$` for the one before `i_0`, but instead finds `$ and $` and typesets that.  The editor used to handle this correctly, but that may no longer be the case.  I'm not sure if that will be handled differently when posted.  You could try using `\_` instead of `_` and see if that works." CreationDate="2023-09-11T23:55:47.187" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="29096" PostId="5761" Score="0" Text="Thank you! It seems that, meanwhile, my accounts have been merged manually!" CreationDate="2023-09-11T17:10:35.507" UserId="132222" />
  <row Id="29124" PostId="5762" Score="0" Text="This was in my answer, until the OP clarified that he actually wants these numbers left-aligned rather than right-aligned." CreationDate="2023-09-29T05:18:19.183" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29102" PostId="5763" Score="4" Text="If you can think of some reasonable keywords, you can find comments containing them and look at the most recent ones; see also: [Searching for comments](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3247).&#xA;For example, here are the comments with &#xA;[decades](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1451220/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author-case-insensitive?word=decades),&#xA;[amazing](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1451220/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author-case-insensitive?word=amazing),&#xA;..." CreationDate="2023-09-19T09:03:02.667" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29103" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="... and [amazing... decades](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1451220/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author-case-insensitive?word=amazing%25decades). (I expect it might be difficult to *guess* the right keywords. But if it was only a few weeks ago, you only have to look at relatively recent comments.)" CreationDate="2023-09-19T09:03:11.337" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29106" PostId="5763" Score="1" Text="@SamHopkins Exactly! Thanks a lot! (And thanks also to Martin Sleziak for showing me how to search for comments.)" CreationDate="2023-09-19T17:53:37.297" UserId="17064" />
  <row Id="29111" PostId="5763" Score="1" Text="This is easy to say now - after Sam Hopkins posted the correct answer. But I should have tried searching for comments with *[decade](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1451220/comments-containing-given-keyword-with-text-and-author-case-insensitive?word=decade)* rather than *decades.*" CreationDate="2023-09-20T04:25:17.070" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29115" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="Very interesting post. thank you!  In particular I love &quot;I'd like to use this as an example of how different branches of mathematics can fail to know about potentially interesting results from other branches&quot;" CreationDate="2023-09-22T11:39:57.300" UserId="36688" />
  <row Id="29119" PostId="5763" Score="1" Text="Other examples you might consider using to illustrate the same point about not knowing about results from other fields include [$r$-cover-free families](https://doi.org/10.1016/0097-3165(94)90067-1), [De Bruijn sequences](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence), the [Regge symmetry](https://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/9812013), and [eigenvectors from eigenvalues](https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.03795)." CreationDate="2023-09-23T19:33:09.967" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29108" PostId="5764" Score="10" Text="Definitely a person using an AI bot, and they seem to have been taken care of now." CreationDate="2023-09-19T20:43:00.247" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="29109" PostId="5765" Score="8" Text="P.S., I remembered the details of this question pretty well, and so searched for &quot;coloring sphere quantum&quot; using MathOverflow's built-in search feature. But I did not find the question this way. It was because I used the American &quot;coloring&quot; instead of the British &quot;colouring.&quot; However, using Google and searching &quot;mathoverflow coloring sphere quantum&quot; gave me the question right away. The moral is Google is a better search engine for MathOverflow than MathOverflow's built-in search." CreationDate="2023-09-19T20:58:55.967" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="29110" PostId="5765" Score="5" Text="I would disagree with &quot;Google is a better search engine for MathOverflow than MathOverflow's built-in search&quot; as a blanket statement covering all possible cases. I do certainly use Google quite often. At the same time, on SE sites I often restrict the search to some combination of tags. There are certainly [many various ways how to search](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/29265) - which of them works better might depend on the situation. (As far as searching goes, [math.se] has some advantages over MO, for several reasons.)" CreationDate="2023-09-20T04:20:46.137" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29112" PostId="5765" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, since, I hope, chattiness on Meta is more permissible than on the main, would you be willing to say a bit about [those reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5763/does-anyone-remember-seeing-this-answer-comment-a-famous-result-known-earlier#comment29110_5765)?" CreationDate="2023-09-21T22:19:49.090" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29113" PostId="5765" Score="2" Text="@LSpice Since it is a bit of digression from the original topic and it might be a longer exchange (at least I will need a bit more space than the length of a comment), I would suggest to [continue in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9369/conversation/searching-differences-between-mo-and-mse)." CreationDate="2023-09-22T03:33:30.040" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29118" PostId="5765" Score="1" Text="I do find that Google search is better than MO search for many things, but in this case, MO search would have worked better for me (if I had been tasked with finding this question). Like Sam Hopkins, I also knew at once which MO question was being referred to. I would have searched for &quot;Kochen Specker.&quot; With MO search, I can easily ask for the *newest* match to &quot;Kochen Specker,&quot; which immediately yields the desired result. Asking for the newest match isn't easy (or even possible?) with Google." CreationDate="2023-09-23T19:16:55.887" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29120" PostId="5765" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow Google search offers restriction by the date, such as [the past year](https://www.google.com/search?q=kochen+specker+sphere+site:mathoverflow.net&amp;tbs=qdr:y) or a [specified date range](https://www.google.com/search?q=colouring+sphere+quantum+site%3Amathoverflow.net&amp;tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2023%2Ccd_max%3A9%2F24%2F2023).&#xA;It is at least an approximation of showing the newest results - but as you can see, in this case I got no hits, so perhaps it isn't really that reliable. &#xA;See also: [Date criteria for Google search](https://webapps.stackexchange.com/q/5033)." CreationDate="2023-09-24T03:44:13.287" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29125" PostId="5768" Score="2" Text="Deletion-by-moderator has the nasty property that it can only be undone by a moderator – the software prevents other users from voting to undelete. In my opinion, the question of &quot;multiplicative persistence&quot; is a question of math research and as such a suitable topic for MO. But OP of 455497 is almost certainly mistaken in the claim made in that question." CreationDate="2023-09-29T22:05:02.697" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="29126" PostId="5768" Score="0" Text="@Gerry, I agree that the OP probably is mistaken about what they found. That was in fact the *point* of my answer. To summarize: (1) A researcher thinks they *may* have found something previously unknown. Asks if it would indeed be new, and needs advice on what to do next. (2) That would certainly not be the first researcher in such a situation, and yes they need advice. (3) I take the OP's concern seriously. i mention why the particular claim is probably false, and explain how to proceed. IMHO the advice may be useful both the OP and to others in similar situations." CreationDate="2023-09-30T03:48:51.677" UserId="171662" />
  <row Id="29127" PostId="5768" Score="1" Text="(4) The community can then express its opinion on the the merits of the question and the answer. IIRC the question got something like -4 votes and closure, and the answer got +8 votes. To my understanding, this would be the *ordinary* thing to do with a question that is on-topic but not that good. (5) However, this question-answer pair was so *extraordinarily* bad that an extraordinary moderator action was needed. Voting and closure are not enough: the question and the answer have to be *deleted* out of sight of everybody. They are *that* bad. // Now this last part I do not fully understand." CreationDate="2023-09-30T03:57:20.413" UserId="171662" />
  <row Id="29128" PostId="5768" Score="2" Text="To me, the question seemed a clear case for deletion (it is a question concerning decimal digits of a number which hardly relates to any interesting number theory, and it got downvoted and closed by the community). Since people other than the OP themselve disagree with this judgement, I undeleted the question again to leave the decision on whether or not to delete it to the community. -- Apologies for the inconveniences!" CreationDate="2023-09-30T12:55:35.137" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="29129" PostId="5768" Score="5" Text="Thank you. For what it's worth, [MathWorld: Multiplicative Persistence](https://mathworld.wolfram.com/MultiplicativePersistence.html) cites, among others, M. Gardner, R. Guy, N. Sloane and P. Erdős having been interested in the topic. Now I fully understand that some mathematicians may not personally share that interest. But I am astonished if lack of personal interest is a sound basis for *moderator action*. -- All the more because moderator deletion is such a heavy gun as Gerry mentions: it practically overrides the community mechanisms for judging interest or lack thereof." CreationDate="2023-09-30T14:24:40.117" UserId="171662" />
  <row Id="29134" PostId="5768" Score="0" Text="The question didn’t last a day. We could’ve waited at least 2 days to give OP a chance to reveal their result if they were so inclined. Although I suppose if they have a real result it would eventually become public. Realistically of course they have made a mistake" CreationDate="2023-10-07T04:55:02.387" UserId="46536" />
  <row Id="29135" PostId="5770" Score="6" Text="You do know that this will change between devices, and even browsers, right? HTML is dynamically rendered and displayed as opposed to a PDF which is a &quot;print media on screen&quot;." CreationDate="2023-10-09T10:15:51.587" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29136" PostId="5770" Score="0" Text="I tried and for me it is the same on different browsers (assuming large enough width) and I would assume that most people also read mathoverflow like that." CreationDate="2023-10-09T10:29:08.923" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="29137" PostId="5770" Score="2" Text="If the &quot;lower window&quot; means the window showing the preview, then the tag ([meta-tag:markdown-preview]) might be suitable here." CreationDate="2023-10-09T12:57:13.970" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29138" PostId="5770" Score="1" Text="This is about nominations, not above posts: [Can the nomination preview have the same width as the real nomination?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/75725) This if from the answer posted by one of the developers - I assume it works exactly the same for the posts: &quot;Please keep in mind that ... the text will shrink to accommodate the voting controls.&quot; In short: I guess that the width of preview is approximately the width of post + the width reserved for voting buttons." CreationDate="2023-10-10T04:54:18.940" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29139" PostId="5770" Score="0" Text="It's nice to know that I'm not the only person bothered by this." CreationDate="2023-10-10T07:12:04.367" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="29140" PostId="5770" Score="0" Text="I guess you care that your text looks good in your display width, regardless of how bad it looks in other display widths.  Personally, I do not worry about how text is broken between lines **except** for mathematical expressions broken poorly between lines.  I notice (but do not obsess about) punctuation at the end of a sentence that appears by itself at the beginning of the next line." CreationDate="2023-10-10T14:40:11.053" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="29141" PostId="5770" Score="0" Text="You can put your question into a pdf, store the pdf on the internet (personal page at university, homepage, some cloud storage, etc.) and post an MO question, that just contains the link (maybe named as 'question'). In the pdf you have full control of the question's layout." CreationDate="2023-10-11T09:32:42.800" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="29142" PostId="5770" Score="4" Text="Perhaps it does not depend much on the browser (especially if they use the same underlying rendering engine), but it definitely depends on the fonts, which differ between platforms. You will definitely not see the same line breaks on Windows and on Linux, for that reason. There is a terrible precedent of another user who left some time ago, active especially on cstheory (you can still find many of his posts), who did all kinds of micromanagement of line breaks, spacing, etc., both in posts and in comments. This resulted in a god-awful unreadable mess that only worked in his browser it appears." CreationDate="2023-10-11T15:38:43.657" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29143" PostId="5770" Score="2" Text="Let us also not forget that the layout of the site changes from time to time. Even if it is a few pixel difference, it will wreak havoc to any kind of intentional line-break placement." CreationDate="2023-10-11T15:41:09.220" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29144" PostId="5770" Score="3" Text="The real issue is that the mathematics community needs to move beyond pdf and page-oriented systems to a typesetting system that makes sense with the diverse screens we now have for reading mathematical texts. Worrying about line breaks on a particular system seems short-sighted--what we need rather are robust systems that enable our mathematics to look good reliably on a huge variety of screens." CreationDate="2023-10-11T16:41:41.393" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29145" PostId="5770" Score="2" Text="Yes, I fully agree with that. Yet, I see no reason why the line breaks should be different in the preview window and the actual final question. Maybe I will run a survey about how different line breaks really are for different users." CreationDate="2023-10-12T04:20:51.650" UserId="955" />
  <row Id="29148" PostId="5770" Score="2" Text="By the way, if all you really want is to prevent a last word of a paragraph to fall on a line by itself, just use a non-breaking space: `... like&amp;nbsp;this.`" CreationDate="2023-10-12T08:22:47.417" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29149" PostId="5770" Score="1" Text="It's actually a philosophical question; the entire web concept is structured around &quot;text flows and the displaying device decides where to break the lines&quot;.  Thus any consideration of the author trying to control the breaking of lines (except specifying places where a line break must be placed) is the Wrong Thing.  (The gotcha is that graphic artists are obsessed with controlling line breaking etc. so they are constantly devising ways to force it, which basically Don't Work Well because the web infrastructure isn't intended to support that.)" CreationDate="2023-10-15T14:46:47.063" UserId="54396" />
  <row Id="29150" PostId="5770" Score="3" Text="@domotorp My point is that it just doesn't matter if the preview line breaking matches the final thing on your system, since in any case the odds are low for either of these to match up with what other people see, with a different screen, different browser, different text magnification, etc. It is like an author trying to make their sentences align with the sunlight on their veranda as they write the words and the pattern it makes on their tablecloth, even though perhaps nobody else will experience the words that way." CreationDate="2023-10-15T16:08:47.947" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29168" PostId="5770" Score="2" Text="+1 from me - mainly for the most recent update." CreationDate="2023-10-24T11:13:27.443" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29146" PostId="5772" Score="0" Text="I only copy-pasted the text - but there was something oddly satisfying in having the sentence &quot;probably my place would be in a mental institution&quot; in front of me on my computer screen. Perhaps [MathOverflow Inc](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/mathoverflow-inc/info) would be willing to donate wide monitors to all users, that would improve that chances that different users would see the posts in the same way. :-)" CreationDate="2023-10-12T07:29:38.527" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29151" PostId="5774" Score="2" Text="I think that the tag ([meta-tag:asking-questions]) would be suitable here. The content of the sidebar on the right is customizable, one can read more details here: [The new ask page is now live on the network!](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/344513) Perhaps it is worth mentioning that user is shown some basic information when they ask their *first* question - this part was created and customized after the discussion here: [What should the modal window for first-time askers say?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5007)" CreationDate="2023-10-22T06:13:09.547" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29153" PostId="5774" Score="1" Text="I see. Thank you. Then my feature request is to add a &quot;second layer&quot; of defense." CreationDate="2023-10-22T06:45:08.393" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="29154" PostId="5774" Score="1" Text="So that while the OP is editing their question, they can't help but stare at the &quot;do not&quot; rules." CreationDate="2023-10-22T06:45:39.680" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="29155" PostId="5774" Score="1" Text="On [math.se], the sidebar text was modified back in 2015, see Shog9's answer here: [Show &quot;how to ask&quot; advice before a new user asks a question](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21512).  (Just in case looking at the text on other sites could help when discussing what should be used here on MO.)" CreationDate="2023-10-22T07:22:47.033" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29156" PostId="5774" Score="2" Text="I think that adding the tag ([meta-tag:discussion]) might improve chances that some users might notice this question and provide thier input on the content of the sidebar. (Without that tag, the question doesn't get into the [community bulletin](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-bulletin/info). The other conditions are score at least +3 and not older than 14 days. Still, the moderators could add the question into the CB simply by adding the ([meta-tag:featured]) tag.)" CreationDate="2023-10-22T09:42:27.797" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29158" PostId="5774" Score="3" Text="I agree that the MO-specific (as opposed to generic SE question-asking advice) question guidelines are not as easy to find as they could be. When I want to link to them in commenting on a well-meaning but off-topic question, it's always a bunch of clicks, and I have to figure out how to get there every time, since it's not that often. Yes, I could bookmark, but it shows how hard they are to find the first time from the front page, as opposed to _during_ asking a question. Once people are writing their question, rather than thinking about whether this is the place for it, is almost too late." CreationDate="2023-10-22T23:26:15.143" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29159" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts In some cases, one could create such a comment faster using the templates collected here: [Comment template for questions more appropriate for MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971). More to the point, do you think that perhaps this question could be featured (in order to gain more attention and gather more input from the MO users) - as suggested in the above comment and [in the MO chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2023/10/22)?" CreationDate="2023-10-23T05:45:25.757" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29171" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="Personally, I think some additional clarity regarding what kind of questions we’re looking for would be nice; judging by the amount of obviously out-of-place questions (as highlighted by Thomas), the current infrastructure leaves people ambiguous on what belongs here and what doesn’t." CreationDate="2023-10-25T03:29:16.570" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="29262" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Is there anything else I can do to promote this feature-request? I just saw yet another question &quot;here is my homework&quot;. People can always revert back to not having any short-list of rules, if it is not helping filter." CreationDate="2023-11-17T04:49:47.927" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="29266" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="I can try to write some suggested shorthand-list of the existing MO-guidelines." CreationDate="2023-11-20T04:33:17.273" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="29281" PostId="5774" Score="2" Text="@ThomasKojar I suggest writing as comprehensive answer as you reasonably can, and see what people think of it via votes. If there seems to be some support then that would be helpful." CreationDate="2023-11-20T23:00:16.040" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29318" PostId="5774" Score="1" Text="This suggestion from 2022 seems a bit related, too: [Feature request: add short &quot;about MathOverflow&quot; section to the front page](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5260)." CreationDate="2023-12-07T10:58:41.077" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29319" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I still prefer having it inside the editor rather than front-page. That way the user is forced to look at the guidelines while typing their question." CreationDate="2023-12-07T16:05:55.263" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="29337" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="Answers to this question on [meta.se] list some examples of the sites where the &quot;Draft your question&quot; pane is customized: [What site-specific changes can be made to the Ask Question page to help askers on that site write better questions?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/377058)" CreationDate="2023-12-14T07:23:45.243" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29358" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="One of the moderators added the ([meta-tag:featured]) tag, so the question will now be shown in the [community bulletin](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/community-bulletin/info) for some time. Hopefully it will attract a bit more attention and some feedback from the Mathoverflow community." CreationDate="2023-12-22T05:42:32.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29506" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="There was also this suggestion (posted in February 2022): [Feature request: add short &quot;about MathOverflow&quot; section to the front page](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5260). It is not about adding some information during editing - that suggestion is about things displayed on the frontpage - but perhaps it is related enough to be at least mentioned here." CreationDate="2024-01-21T10:52:49.917" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29164" PostId="5775" Score="1" Text="Nothing mathematical it seems. Here's the revision comment: &quot;the matrices weren't displayed rightly, so I placed backticks around the equations.&quot; Note that the asterisk inside TeX used to cause problems, and the hacky fix was to use backticks to somehow escape the Markdown interpretation of *. (The better way around this was to use `\ast`) But this was fixed, and it seems all the hacky backticks removed. My guess is that this post got eaten somehow." CreationDate="2023-10-23T21:29:26.710" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29165" PostId="5775" Score="1" Text="I have a vague memory that possibly there was a problem with some posts because of this backend change/automated edit, and and it was able to be fixed with an edit that made any change at all, as you can see in the history. But still just surmising here." CreationDate="2023-10-23T21:32:23.473" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29166" PostId="5775" Score="1" Text="As far as I can tell, the two revisions are the same, here are some SEDE queries: [list of revisions](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1792790/bodies-of-all-revisions-of-the-given-post?postid=120096) and [comparison of the two revisions](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1792794/are-texts-of-the-two-revisions-the-same?id1=331559&amp;id2=331620). &#xA;[Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://mathoverflow.net/questions/120096/explicit-casselman-theory-reference-needed) probably does not help here either - all snapshots are after that edit." CreationDate="2023-10-24T09:23:59.170" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29167" PostId="5775" Score="1" Text="I thought at first whether the edit might have been empty at the time - but I think that in such cases the edit summary simply says [Edit removed during grace period](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1577639/list-of-all-edits-where-edit-summary-contains-given-keyword-case-insensitive?keyword=grace)&#xA;Actually, I have just tested this in the sandbox: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/57/revisions and https://meta.mathoverflow.net/revisions/57/25" CreationDate="2023-10-24T09:24:08.003" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29169" PostId="5775" Score="1" Text="@DavidRoberts and […](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5775/what-was-the-content-of-revision-5-of-mo120096#comment29170_5775)" CreationDate="2023-10-24T18:27:56.673" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29170" PostId="5775" Score="1" Text="[…](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5775/what-was-the-content-of-revision-5-of-mo120096?noredirect=1#comment29170_5775) @MartinSleziak, thanks!  My suspicion was that whatever backtick-related kludge was needed might not only have been fixed on a per-post basis, but somehow removed from the edit history entirely.  Is that possible?" CreationDate="2023-10-24T18:28:06.560" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29174" PostId="5775" Score="1" Text="[This answer](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/31933/revisions) is a bit similar - it has an edit which is empty (but the edit summary says &quot;Fixed LaTeX&quot;) and at one point (in another edit) `\*` was changed to `\ast`.&#xA;One can find various related SEDE queries [here in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/an-empty-revision-and-fixing-latex)." CreationDate="2023-10-28T19:04:45.020" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29175" PostId="5775" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5775/why-does-revision-5-of-mo120096-look-empty#comment29174_5775), thanks!  Without SE staff coming by to give us a peek into the internals, that seems to be as close to an answer as we're going to get.  If you would post it as an answer, then I would be happy to accept it." CreationDate="2023-10-28T19:10:33.190" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29176" PostId="5775" Score="1" Text="As far as I can tell, both edits were before MO joined the Stack Exchange network. So I am not sure who actually is in a better position to say something - the people who were running the site at the time, or the people who know details of the software as it runs now. (Which reminds me - did MathOverflow, Inc. release publicly some data dump at the time of joining the SE network?)" CreationDate="2023-10-28T19:31:44.147" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29163" PostId="5776" Score="0" Text="The issue on MO got fixed immediately after posting this post. It still persisted on stackexchange, I haven't tried stackexchange in a while to see whether it still exists or not. I think it is a user based issue and probably something trivial that someone fixed for my MO account after seeing this post." CreationDate="2023-10-23T18:57:42.993" UserId="127776" />
  <row Id="29172" PostId="5776" Score="0" Text="@user127776 That’s *extremely* unlikely. No one goes around randomly fixing things with user accounts (and I haven’t heard of a “user based” bug before, either). Even serious bugs take months or years to get fixed, and when they fix it, the devs make sure to post a reply so that we *know* they fixed it. If your problem disappeared by itself, the most likely explanation is that some of the javascript files or whatever was downloaded damaged to your browser (or failed to download entirely) due to some random network failure, and it fixed itself after it was redownloaded." CreationDate="2023-10-26T06:13:16.190" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29177" PostId="5776" Score="0" Text="Interesting, right now my browser (Google Chrome) renders \mathcal{F} in your answer as a square. Reminds me of font problems in MS Word decades ago, I thought these phenomena were in the past..." CreationDate="2023-11-01T08:34:34.207" UserId="1306" />
  <row Id="29294" PostId="5776" Score="2" Text="@VladimirDotsenko What you describe in your comment might be the issue previously reported here: [Did mathcal stop working properly?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5508)" CreationDate="2023-11-22T18:50:52.263" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29193" PostId="5778" Score="4" Text="Just a note that this particular help page is universal on all Stack Exchange sites and cannot be edited by mods, only Community Managers. Thus it usually needs a very convincing reason to customize this page." CreationDate="2023-11-04T08:45:58.747" UserId="60571" />
  <row Id="29191" PostId="5780" Score="0" Text="One related comment is [this one](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1070092), posted under the question &quot;[Rediscovery of lost mathematics](https://mathoverflow.net/q/176425)&quot;.&#xA;There is [a more recent comment](https://mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/1175829) under an answer to the question: &quot;[Theorems with many proofs](https://mathoverflow.net/a/421830)&quot;.&#xA;Under an answer to your question &quot;[Certain proofs of the irrationality of $\sqrt{2}$](https://math.stackexchange.com/a/138135)&quot; you [left another comment](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/comments/318074) saying ..." CreationDate="2023-11-03T05:50:04.847" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29192" PostId="5780" Score="1" Text="... it was a book by  Otto Toeplitz. Here are queries looking for your comments with the word Aposotol [on MathOverflow](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1261690/comments-by-a-specific-users-containing-the-given-word-case-insensitive?word=apostol&amp;userid=6316) and [on Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/posts/comments/318074).&#xA;See also: [Are my comments searchable?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5188) and [other related posts](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/tagged/searching+comments)." CreationDate="2023-11-03T05:50:16.267" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29188" PostId="5781" Score="6" Text="And now that you included the link *here*, you cannot even post links to meta.mathoverflow.net in answers any longer, as someone might use them to get to illegally distributed content if they click enough. (In other words, the idea that links become tainted transitively by association is absurd.)" CreationDate="2023-11-02T10:51:52.370" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29189" PostId="5781" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek Thanks. Now I see that his way of proceed may soon result in a recursive prohibition issue nightmare." CreationDate="2023-11-02T11:00:32.777" UserId="113756" />
  <row Id="29204" PostId="5784" Score="0" Text="If a &quot;minor&quot; edit doesn't bump a post to the top, how will any who disagree even know that an edit has been made?" CreationDate="2023-11-06T20:26:21.110" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="29205" PostId="5784" Score="2" Text="@GerryMyerson : So we create a &quot;recent edits&quot; page and then those who care can look at it from time to time." CreationDate="2023-11-06T20:34:32.703" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="29214" PostId="5784" Score="2" Text="cf https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26483/could-we-have-the-ability-to-mark-a-change-as-minor-in-questions-or-answers  https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/23241/is-there-a-way-to-edit-a-question-without-bumping-it-to-the-front-page" CreationDate="2023-11-07T03:14:51.977" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29221" PostId="5784" Score="2" Text="I'm confused as to how bumping something from just about a decade ago by posting a rant that we, the users of MathOverflow, have absolutely no control over, helps anyone. If you want to lobby for a feature, post a feature request. If you want to lobby for an SE-wide feature, do it on meta.SE." CreationDate="2023-11-07T08:52:28.140" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29222" PostId="5784" Score="2" Text="The question actually gives a good reason why we *shouldn't* have such a feature: many, possibly most, people who make such minor formatting edits are actually quite clueless about basic standard practices of TeX formatting, and introduce more mistakes than they fix. (One reason for this is that new users are encouraged by the system to edit posts in order to gain reputation.)" CreationDate="2023-11-07T09:20:44.910" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29227" PostId="5784" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek : &quot;many, possibly most, people who make such minor formatting edits are actually quite clueless about basic standard practices of TeX formatting, and introduce more mistakes than they fix.&quot; $${}$$ Do you have some empirical evidence for that? Or is it something that you think &quot;would&quot; happen, independently of empirical evidence? This seems like the opposite of what I've seen happening." CreationDate="2023-11-07T15:15:54.757" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="29231" PostId="5784" Score="0" Text="The only evidence I have is my impression of seing such edits with regular frequency." CreationDate="2023-11-07T17:21:14.127" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29232" PostId="5784" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek : I've been here almost daily for over a decade and I don't recall seeing this. But when I find badly done MathJax code and correct it, usually the user thanks me for having done so." CreationDate="2023-11-07T17:25:44.943" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="29235" PostId="5784" Score="2" Text="I admit my perception of the relative frequency is likely skewed by the fact that bad edits of this kind annoy me, whereas the good ones are boring and do not elicit any emotional response. Nevertheless, such edits do occur often. As it happens, the one I’ve run across just now (https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/revisions/53457/2) was not on MO, but I don’t think the two sites are too different in this regard." CreationDate="2023-11-08T11:07:10.527" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29202" PostId="5786" Score="0" Text="This is really helpful, thanks!!!" CreationDate="2023-11-06T19:16:43.523" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="29209" PostId="5786" Score="0" Text="Note that the search query on the link &quot;the users above 1000 reputation points who started in 2009.&quot; returns them sorted based on id, but that seems not to be the same as sorted based on date joined, for whatever reason. If you search for my name and look at the dates in a bracket around me, it's not monotonic. Easily fixed, but just pointing out that it's not answering the title of the OP's question, merely adopting the method mentioned in the post that used to work as a proxy." CreationDate="2023-11-06T22:16:14.397" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29201" PostId="5787" Score="3" Text="Shortcuts such as `[meta.se]` work in comments and in chat - like here: [meta.se]. (They are called [magic links](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/magic-links/info).) But they do not work in posts." CreationDate="2023-11-06T18:52:30.643" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29233" PostId="5790" Score="6" Text="Do you have specific examples? What kind of browser, operating system, and device are you using? Have you tried using a different browser? A different operating system? A different device? Have you tried using incognito mode? Have you cleared your cache? Have you restarted your browser? Your device? Have you been experiencing this all over the internet or just on MO? Please include this information when submitting bug reports." CreationDate="2023-11-07T17:34:09.230" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29234" PostId="5790" Score="3" Text="@AsafKaragila I have been struggling with this problem too. First I thought there is something wrong with my internet connection, but further tests proved me wrong. I mainly work with the Edge browser on windows 10, but observed a similar trend on firefox. The font rendering takes much longer than before, and sometimes it doesn't load at all. see [this screenshot](https://i.stack.imgur.com/EMhSq.png) for example" CreationDate="2023-11-08T09:40:54.157" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="29236" PostId="5790" Score="1" Text="@polfosol Is that happening everywhere where MathJax is heavily used or just MO? Or just SE? What font render are you using on MathJax and does it get better if you change that setting?" CreationDate="2023-11-08T12:08:12.870" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29237" PostId="5790" Score="1" Text="I'm using Chrome on Windows 10 on a Lenovo Thinkpad." CreationDate="2023-11-08T17:48:58.093" UserId="6316" />
  <row Id="29238" PostId="5790" Score="0" Text="@AsafKaragila I did some more tests. So far I haven't faced the same issue with the pages that heavily use mathjax and are _not_ on the SE network. It seems this problem only persists when I am visiting MO and MSE pages that have a lot of math text. Those pages that are not heavily filled with math still have a little lag, but they render the font correctly. What I found strange is two things: 1) this is a fairly recent problem and started a few months ago. 2) It is odd that nobody has noticed it so far and _almost_ no one else had the same issue." CreationDate="2023-11-09T05:53:21.187" UserId="93602" />
  <row Id="29239" PostId="5790" Score="1" Text="When comparing with other sites, perhaps one should take into account also version of MathJax which is used. See also: [Are there plans to switch to the current version of MathJax?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/385913)" CreationDate="2023-11-09T06:52:33.827" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29248" PostId="5790" Score="1" Text="I may have noticed this ... MacOS ... but it is not as bad as the OP's case.  For me: before, the render delay for MathJax was not noticeable, but now it is perhaps $5$ or $10$ seconds." CreationDate="2023-11-10T16:40:08.457" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="29276" PostId="5796" Score="1" Text="I agree that the &quot;year&quot; and &quot;howpublished&quot; fields can be improved along the lines you mentioned. It would be nice to set the ID with the prefix &quot;MO&quot;, to match the MathSciNet &quot;MR&quot; prefix, but I think it's not very important: I expect most people use their own format for the IDs, anyway." CreationDate="2023-11-20T15:52:19.210" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="29278" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="I think the standard BibTeX format does not even recognize the &quot;url&quot; field, and the &quot;note&quot; field is used for this purpose instead. Perhaps the point of adding &quot;url&quot; and &quot;eprint&quot; fields is to allow other BibTeX styles to recognize URLs appropriately. I don't know if this is good or bad; it's perhaps unfortunate that your preferred style picks up _all_ of them." CreationDate="2023-11-20T15:56:56.440" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="29279" PostId="5796" Score="1" Text="Regarding the author field, are people actually generally using and wanting that extra info? If other people's experience is anything like mine, as I've mentioned, the anonymous-user case is a minor worry, which can be handled separately and which should not drive the main decision about the format. I think it would be more helpful/convenient to have the bibtex usable by default without edits, which it isn't now. Probably there are hundreds of cases of people who use the current bibtex data as-is and have all this extra junk in their published bibliographies." CreationDate="2023-11-20T21:41:45.703" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29280" PostId="5796" Score="2" Text="Well, I use it, and I don't consider it &quot;extra junk&quot;. I don't know what the average use case is like. In my experience, I have to manually edit most of the BibTeX entries that I copy from elsewhere, so it wouldn't make much difference to me if the author field generated by the &quot;cite&quot; tool just had the post author's username. However, I believe it is good practice to include the user profile ID along with the username, so it's not &quot;junk&quot; for me. Your mileage may vary." CreationDate="2023-11-20T22:52:39.607" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="29283" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="Seems fine to keep it if there are many people using it. I don't view it as necessary in most cases--I am citing a person, not a user profile. We don't generally include userid info (e.g. Orcid) in the author field when citing an article. Why should citing MO be different?" CreationDate="2023-11-20T23:18:11.800" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29284" PostId="5796" Score="1" Text="I have made some edits with various further specific suggestions that will allow I think for the desired usage." CreationDate="2023-11-21T02:42:50.970" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29285" PostId="5796" Score="1" Text="@Joel: We don't include an ORCID id or such because academic literature is &quot;robust&quot; and the question is &quot;how do you find a paper?&quot; which is why you should cite &quot;A. Karagila&quot; when published as such and &quot;Asaf Karagila&quot; when the journal uses my full name. But academic journals don't vanish, even if the author changed their name, you are citing a paper which is immutable to that name change. MO and SE don't work like that. When the user changes the account name, the old stuff changes with it (with the exception of CW answers, to an extent)." CreationDate="2023-11-21T10:28:21.157" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29286" PostId="5796" Score="1" Text="Case in point, https://mathscinet.ams.org/mathscinet/article?mr=1764420 was written by Alfred Tarski, but looking it up as a paper of Tarski requires knowing that it's him. On the other hand, looking it up as a paper by Tejtelbaum is easy. On the other hand, if you told me that I'm looking for an answer by &quot;quid&quot;, https://mathoverflow.net/a/205811/7206 would not have been conducive to that search. Neither the fact that the name is &quot;quid&quot; nor the fact that the account had been deleted and the posts were anonymised since then." CreationDate="2023-11-21T10:34:01.463" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29287" PostId="5796" Score="2" Text="Sure, you are making the case for the authorid field, which would be robust in the way that you are seeking. What I am seeking is a default bibtex format with all the relevant information in sensible fields. Let's make a robust bibtex format for MO." CreationDate="2023-11-21T12:38:41.743" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29291" PostId="5796" Score="2" Text="Just as a word of timeline, I will wait a couple of weeks for people to add more issues with the citation feature before going to SE with a concrete list of changes that can/should/would be made. Further announcements in due time..." CreationDate="2023-11-22T14:57:34.433" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29292" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="Great! And there is of course no rush on this." CreationDate="2023-11-22T15:05:20.083" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29312" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="I added a suggestion for the keywords field to be set with the tags." CreationDate="2023-11-26T22:42:04.467" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29314" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="Could you please add to this question, the screenshot of how the final PDF would look when those BibTeX entries are compiled, for example with the AMS style?" CreationDate="2023-11-28T23:34:21.433" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="29315" PostId="5796" Score="2" Text="@NikeDattani If you mean the amsplain style, it doesn't support the url field, so that would not seem to be a good style to use for bibliographies with urls. Nevertheless, one can edit the url into the note field, which is the hack that people often use to get those styles to support urls." CreationDate="2023-11-29T01:39:33.713" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29316" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins thanks.  I just think it would  be helpful  to see a screenshot  of the output, with any style that works." CreationDate="2023-11-29T01:46:09.123" UserId="66334" />
  <row Id="29317" PostId="5796" Score="1" Text="OK, sure, I'll put something up later." CreationDate="2023-11-29T03:19:17.200" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29269" PostId="5797" Score="0" Text="I don't understand your remark abour the arxiv and the eprint field. Are you saying the url should appear three times because of that? The only thing that makes sense to me is to have the url in the url field only. And we need the urldate field set to the date of access, since that is what it is for." CreationDate="2023-11-20T12:58:42.507" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29270" PostId="5797" Score="1" Text="If you're deleting a row, how is that different from deleting part of a row, Joel? I know, it's Ctrl-K vs. erasing a more specific bit (at least in Emacs), but this is not something that deserves two separate author fields. Come on now. For the MO thing, I agree, and I think this can be solved in-software fairly easily. As for the eprint, if you go to arXiv and export the bib data, the eprint field appears there. I don't like it, I remove it, and I don't see how it's any different to the bibtex data generated here." CreationDate="2023-11-20T13:21:13.977" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29271" PostId="5797" Score="1" Text="I don't really care for your mocking tone in this thread. My request, in the main, is not about personal idiosyncratic formatting, but for sensible changes to the default format, which right now is rather low quality." CreationDate="2023-11-20T13:26:27.230" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29272" PostId="5797" Score="0" Text="The thing is that some of these requests are in fact *your* idiosyncratic formatting. Bringing up biblatex, which is a common platform but far from the universally accepted standard, is your choice. You even mention *your personal practices*. And while some of these changes are reasonable and we can certainly see what can be done about them, others, frankly, I perceive as &quot;it will save me a few seconds and clicks&quot;." CreationDate="2023-11-20T13:29:03.807" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29273" PostId="5797" Score="1" Text="Not really, but I have edited to remove some of the comments that have evidently served as a distraction from the main point." CreationDate="2023-11-20T13:50:51.860" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29274" PostId="5797" Score="2" Text="Meanwhile, the whole point of the cite button is to help save people a little time, so it seems worthwhile to implement it with that perspective." CreationDate="2023-11-20T14:02:39.170" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29275" PostId="5797" Score="1" Text="Yes, I agree, and I think that some of your suggestions are probably worth looking into, and I will definitely try and do that." CreationDate="2023-11-20T14:07:36.047" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29295" PostId="5799" Score="1" Text="Can you explain how/why double nesting braces affects alphabetization?" CreationDate="2023-11-22T18:59:51.813" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29296" PostId="5799" Score="2" Text="@JoelDavidHamkins By default, in the absence of commas, bibtex treats the last &quot;word&quot; of a name as the last name (there are some babel specific settings that can effect how things like von and van are sorted). This is undesirable when the author string includes additional information (such as an url). Additionally, even in the absence of an url, for usernames like &quot;GH from MO&quot;, I don't think it should be interpreted as &quot;MO, GH from&quot;. The insertion of braces tells bibtex the string is to be considered a single group. (Think of it like parentheses in order of operations.)" CreationDate="2023-11-23T01:49:58.097" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="29297" PostId="5799" Score="1" Text="Basically, the expression `{{GH from MO}}` is more-or-less saying that the author name has a single &quot;word&quot;, which happens to have spaces as part of the word, instead of 3 separate words." CreationDate="2023-11-23T01:52:16.927" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="29298" PostId="5799" Score="0" Text="In that case, I would rather have {Joel David Hamkins} than {{Joel David Hamkins}}, so that I am alphabetized by Hamkins, and so I don't think I agree with your double nesting proposal. (As a separate but related matter, my view is that the id and url info should go into their own fields, since they are not properly part of the name, except in the rare circumstance of anonymous authors, which is an unusual case that I don't think should drive the overall policy. I find it regretable that it is such a big part of this discussion.)" CreationDate="2023-11-23T01:53:16.693" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29300" PostId="5799" Score="3" Text="Of the 36 people who earned the most reputation this quarter on the main site, we find GH from MO, YCor, Command Master, 2734364041, Saul RM. Other overall high rep users using pseudonyms include Gro-Tsen, fedja, KConrad, Emerton, Lucia, Sasha, abx, and gowers. I find your insistence on preferring an Anglo-Saxon parsing of names rather disagreeable." CreationDate="2023-11-23T03:23:48.230" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="29301" PostId="5799" Score="1" Text="Though on a practical matter, if the url is removed from the author field, then the only person on the list given that would be impacted by the braces would be GH from MO." CreationDate="2023-11-23T03:33:23.447" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="29304" PostId="5799" Score="0" Text="I don't see that I have insisted upon anything." CreationDate="2023-11-23T15:50:09.577" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29305" PostId="5799" Score="1" Text="Meanwhile, I agree with your proposal for a @mathoverflow bibtex type. This is perhaps ultimately the proposal behind my question. Let's make a high-quality bibtex format that has all the data that we would want, and then create the biblatex code to set it properly." CreationDate="2023-11-23T15:50:50.353" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29387" PostId="5799" Score="2" Text="Biblatex already has an `@online` type; we should use that, and add Mathoverflow under the `organization` field." CreationDate="2023-12-25T21:20:24.020" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="29293" PostId="5800" Score="1" Text="For your name at least, one can programmatically [convert Unicode characters to TeX](https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/9793/119). But for users using, for example, the Chinese/Japanese/Korean portions of Unicode in their usernames, the problem does get much harder. // Note that bibtex also doesn't parse unicode at all. **But biber / biblatex has no problem with it.**" CreationDate="2023-11-22T16:38:34.453" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="29306" PostId="5800" Score="4" Text="I think supplying the unicode should be the default, especially for for users like &#xA;მამუკა ჯიბლაძე https://mathoverflow.net/users/41291/%e1%83%9b%e1%83%90%e1%83%9b%e1%83%a3%e1%83%99%e1%83%90-%e1%83%af%e1%83%98%e1%83%91%e1%83%9a%e1%83%90%e1%83%ab%e1%83%94 with a simple addition to the preamble the TeX engine should be able to render these just fine. Should the citation be to &quot;Mamuka Jibladze&quot; instead? I would presume there's a reason why the username was deliberately written in Georgian script." CreationDate="2023-11-25T03:12:22.777" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29299" PostId="5801" Score="4" Text="I think the answer https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/a/36062/3835 should be taken as the same answer you will get here." CreationDate="2023-11-23T02:09:37.133" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29307" PostId="5802" Score="0" Text="It's slightly awkward to migrate a question to another site if the question was already answered there. Is that the case?" CreationDate="2023-11-25T21:30:05.073" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="29308" PostId="5802" Score="0" Text="Well the very old question of mine which referenced the deleted thread is https://math.stackexchange.com/q/70938/16490, which does have an answer, and might qualify as answering the same question, although it's not completely identical. Doing a quick search on m.se i also found https://math.stackexchange.com/q/3213450/16490 which has no answer." CreationDate="2023-11-25T22:06:32.747" UserId="19860" />
  <row Id="29310" PostId="5802" Score="0" Text="This non-deleted question is not quite the same, but pretty close: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/441829/coordinate-free-way-to-construct-inner-product-on-exterior-powers" CreationDate="2023-11-26T03:11:08.770" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="29311" PostId="5802" Score="1" Text="For the benefit of users who cannot see deleted posts, here is a link to a version of that question [saved in the Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20130727141416/http://mathoverflow.net:80/questions/55982/extending-a-riemannian-metric-to-one-on-k-forms)." CreationDate="2023-11-26T05:30:13.493" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29322" PostId="5805" Score="1" Text="Maybe ([meta-tag:closed-questions]) could be an appropriate tag, too? Possibly ([meta-tag:new-users]) - since this is important mainly for users with no previous experience with the site. And perhaps ([meta-tag:comments]) - since you're suggesting to leave a comment when closing." CreationDate="2023-12-08T05:53:13.957" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29325" PostId="5805" Score="3" Text="I have no doubt that somebody would point this out - so I might be the first. It is not entirely true that &quot;no additional explanation is given with the closure&quot;.&#xA;After the question is closed, the OP see a big banner at the top with the close reason. It will be different depending on the reason chosen by the close voters. For example, it might start like this: &quot;This question does not appear to be about research level mathematics within the scope defined in the [help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/on-topic).&quot;&#xA;And if the user actually clicks on that link, they might learn more." CreationDate="2023-12-08T07:13:12.077" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29326" PostId="5805" Score="1" Text="You can see more details about the text displayed on closed questions here: [Revamping the closure reasons in 2022](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5327).&#xA;Moreover, for any new user some basic info is displayed before asking the first question: [What should the modal window for first-time askers say?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5007)&#xA;There was a suggestion to add some information into the sidebar displayed while asking (or editing) a question, too: [Feature: Making the MO-guidelines visible while editing questions?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5774)" CreationDate="2023-12-08T07:13:56.900" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29334" PostId="5805" Score="4" Text="&quot;**We do want to turn these askers away**&quot;. Well, *no*. We do want to turn these *questions* away, which is something very different." CreationDate="2023-12-12T16:12:18.753" UserId="7460" />
  <row Id="29385" PostId="5805" Score="0" Text="Related: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3518&#xA;&#xA;https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4477&#xA;&#xA;https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5200&#xA;&#xA;https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/3713&#xA;&#xA;https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/398" CreationDate="2023-12-24T22:20:16.890" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29321" PostId="5806" Score="4" Text="Some comments along those lines are collected here: [Comment template for questions more appropriate for MSE](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/971)." CreationDate="2023-12-08T05:24:51.330" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29327" PostId="5807" Score="2" Text="You'll need to replace the Unicode `ö` with its HTML encoding for the auto-expansion to occur (I think this is by design). If you use the 'Hyperlink' tool (Ctrl+L) from the editing toolbar, then it will correctly encode such characters for you. Some related posts on Meta SE: [Diamonds (♦) break the automatic hyperlink parser](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/242571) and [Allow URL with diacritics](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/256512). (Also, note that such a URL might not be auto-expanded in the preview, and yet be correctly auto-expanded in the final post.)" CreationDate="2023-12-08T20:44:15.367" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="29328" PostId="5807" Score="0" Text="@TheAmplitwist, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5807/question-titles-do-not-auto-expand-if-url-contains-non-ascii-characters#comment29327_5807), thanks!  It was not correctly expanded in rendered post; see https://mathoverflow.net/revisions/460029/2.  I think that the issue is slightly different from that in [Diamonds (♦) break the automatic hyperlink parser](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/242571), because links are parsed correctly, just not expanded.  I guess that, if an SE rep says it's by design, then that's an answer …." CreationDate="2023-12-08T20:46:30.543" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29329" PostId="5807" Score="0" Text="But in revision 2, the URL uses `ö`, doesn't it? Yes, the issue in that Meta SE post was much worse, but it was also caused by the special characters in the URL, as per Martijn Pieters's answer there." CreationDate="2023-12-08T21:24:16.270" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="29330" PostId="5807" Score="0" Text="Ah, I think my parenthetical remark was unclear. I meant that after replacing the Unicode characters by their HTML encodings, the URL should be correctly auto-expanded in the final post, even if it does not appear auto-expanded in the preview." CreationDate="2023-12-08T21:26:24.863" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="29339" PostId="5809" Score="0" Text="Should &quot;Mathematics&quot;, &quot;Homework&quot;, &quot;Textbook&quot; be capitalized? They are in the middle of a sentence. (I will add that I am not a native English speaker.)" CreationDate="2023-12-14T07:26:14.563" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29340" PostId="5809" Score="0" Text="I am just trying to draw their attention. We can have them lowercase. I will change it now." CreationDate="2023-12-14T07:40:09.993" UserId="99863" />
  <row Id="29335" PostId="5811" Score="0" Text="I have left a comment, suggesting that Joel post, and answer, an improved version of the question." CreationDate="2023-12-13T20:57:35.630" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="29336" PostId="5811" Score="2" Text="As mentioned in Asaf's comment, the question would be a duplicate of https://mathoverflow.net/questions/65369/half-cantor-bernstein-without-choice anyway if it weren't closed for another reason." CreationDate="2023-12-14T07:09:53.957" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29338" PostId="5812" Score="0" Text="Maybe the bullet points should be a bit shortened? (So that this does not take too much space in the sidebar.)" CreationDate="2023-12-14T07:25:59.380" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29409" PostId="5812" Score="0" Text="To me, the most vexing problem with questions is that many of them are poorly stated: (i) some of the terms and symbols used in the post are undefined, even if they are not common; (ii) quantifiers are missing or ambiguous; (iii) multiple questions are asked in one post. Do you think this concern can be added to the list?" CreationDate="2023-12-31T17:38:26.713" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="29410" PostId="5812" Score="0" Text="@IosifPinelis As I said, I do not want to make this text too long. Why not posting as a separate answer a suggestion which includes the issues that you've mentioned? (That way, we would get some feedback from other users about such version, too.)" CreationDate="2023-12-31T19:41:41.303" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29341" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="It seems to me that a single tag encompassing both would be a much simpler matter (certainly &quot;models-of-pa&quot; is worse than &quot;models-of-peano-arithmetic&quot;). If most &quot;models of PA&quot; questions are currently tagged &quot;th of ar&quot;, creating &quot;models of PA&quot; will add confusion and entropy, unless a substantial effort is done to single out which of the currently 100 questions should be retagged." CreationDate="2023-12-21T15:24:42.890" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29342" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="Well, indeed it was a mistake to have folded models-of-pa into theories-of-arithmetic in the first place. I would be willing to gradually retag questions with models-of-pa.  The problem is that right now, there is no good tag for models of PA questions. If we renamed theories-of-arithmetic to peano-arithmetic, that would be easier and greatly improve the situation. But then the weak arithmetic posts would be wrongly tagged, but I think there are fewer of them." CreationDate="2023-12-21T15:28:43.027" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29343" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="Temporarily (or not) I'm adding &quot;models of Peano arithmetic&quot; in the tag info of [tag:theories of arithmetic], since it was created to encompass it." CreationDate="2023-12-21T15:31:28.173" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29344" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="We need a models-of-pa tag. I don't understand the argument against it." CreationDate="2023-12-21T15:37:07.213" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29345" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="In this context, it is worth pointing out that the tag (models-of-pa) contained only nine questions at the time when it was removed (in 2020): https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2020/10/22 https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/synonym-between-peano-arithmetic-and-theories-of-arithmetics" CreationDate="2023-12-21T15:41:06.973" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29346" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="The argument is not against it but against creating it immediately without discussion. There was a discussion in this thread which lasted several days and involved several users, which led to the creation of [tag:theories-of-arithmetic]. It is unfortunate you didn't participate. You claim that [tag:theories-of-arithmetic] can't encompass models of PA and this should be discussed since it seems to me to contradict the purpose of [tag:theories-of-arithmetic]. If you want more visibility: maybe create a new discussion, and better ping the main participants of the previous discussion." CreationDate="2023-12-21T15:41:16.980" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29347" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="The objection to theories-of-arithmetic is that the subject is not about theories of arithmetic, but about the models of PA. If theories-of-arithmetic were renamed as peano-arithmetic, then this would be an acceptable compromise. But as Emil observed, there are other problems with that." CreationDate="2023-12-21T15:44:03.197" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29348" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="There are 1300 posts on MO with the phrase &quot; PA &quot;, but only 299 (or 102?) using the tag theories-of-arithmetic." CreationDate="2023-12-21T15:53:05.413" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29349" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="135 results for &quot;model of PA&quot; and 48 additional for &quot;models of PA&quot; without &quot;model of PA&quot;." CreationDate="2023-12-21T16:05:17.447" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29356" PostId="5816" Score="1" Text="@YCor I think I agree with Joel here, although I don't have *strong* feelings either way. The dispositive point for me at least is the fact that there is a large research community which uses the term &quot;Models of PA&quot; for itself, as noted at the start of Joel's answer. I guess I think tags should serve two roles: search/general info optimization **and** reflection of research communities. It's a bit hard for me to articulate the latter, but &quot;models of PA&quot; meets it and &quot;theories of arithmetic&quot; doesn't really. *(Awkwardly, rereading this thread I might be responsible for the current tag name. :P)*" CreationDate="2023-12-22T03:18:11.880" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="29361" PostId="5816" Score="1" Text="“models-of-pa” is unnecessarily narrow (and a bit cryptic for a nonspecialist, who will have no idea what “pa” is). I understand the desire for a tag for model theory of arithmetical theories separate from the more general “theories-of-arithmetic” tag, but then I’d support the tag name to be just “models-of-arithmetic”." CreationDate="2023-12-22T08:07:18.137" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29362" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="As [mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/the-tag-models-of-arithmetic), when the tag ([tag:models-of-pa]) I suggested ([tag:models-of-peano-arithmetic]) as a synonym between  and [tag:models-of-pa: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/3505 - the post was later deleted by a moderator. (It should still be visible to 10k+ users.)" CreationDate="2023-12-22T09:44:23.483" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29363" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Since you've mentioned (models-of-arithmetic), I will just add that this tag was [recently created and removed](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10243/conversation/the-tag-models-of-arithmetic) - although it was applied only to a single question. Basically the creation of this tag lead to this post." CreationDate="2023-12-22T09:47:15.877" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29366" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="One question: how would [tag:models-of-peano-arithmetic] fit with existing [tag:peano-arithmetic]. Do you have an estimate of the ratio of currently tagged [tag:peano-arithmetic] for which [tag:models-of-peano-arithmetic] would fit? (When searching, please include &quot;is:question&quot; in the request. [Link to search: questions tagged &quot;peano-arithmetic&quot;](https://mathoverflow.net/search?q=%5Btheories-of-arithmetic%5D+is%3Aquestion)) I note that &quot;models of Peano arithmetic&quot; is explicit in the tag description (and I didn't add it)." CreationDate="2023-12-22T12:01:07.170" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29368" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="Martin Sleziak mentions to me that the tag [tag:peano-arithmetic] has been made a synonym of the tag [tag:theories-of-arithmetic]. I was not aware (or didn't remember) this, but this makes it clear that the tag [tag:theories-of-arithmetic] was meant to have a broad understanding, i.e., encompassing models of specific theories. Given this, creating [tag:models-of-peano-arithmetic] would be creating a strictly more specific tag, i.e., strictly encompassed in [tag:theories-of-arithmetic]. These aspects should be considered if a decision is taken now." CreationDate="2023-12-22T13:40:51.890" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29369" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="The intended broad view of theories-of-arithmetic is exactly the problem, since the phrase by itself doesn't have that broad meaning. The subject I am talking about is Models of PA, and it is widely known by this name, which is also the name of several books and seminars etc. (I recognize that my perspective on this might be skewed by the NYC community, however, where this subject is popular.) I don't find this a narrow topic, but I do respect Emil's view on the matter, and models-of-arithmetic is also a phrase used to describe this area." CreationDate="2023-12-22T14:23:52.183" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29370" PostId="5816" Score="1" Text="I'd suggest having models-of-pa as a synonym for models-of-arithmetic, so when experts tag their questions and type models-of-pa, it will show up for them as expected, but will show on the site as models-of-arithmetic." CreationDate="2023-12-22T14:26:02.177" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29373" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="I would be willing to do that work of gradually assigning this tag where it belongs, a few per day or whatever was advisable." CreationDate="2023-12-22T18:56:10.053" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29405" PostId="5816" Score="1" Text="FWIW my personal ideal would be &quot;models of arithmetics,&quot; but I don't think anyone uses that for anything." CreationDate="2023-12-29T20:42:41.463" UserId="8133" />
  <row Id="29478" PostId="5816" Score="1" Text="To me, creating a tag (models-of-arithmetic) - with synonyms (models-of-pa) and (models-of-peano-arithmetic) - seems like a reasonable compromise. So +1 from me. (Naturally, if that tag is created, it has to be maintained in a reasonable way.) &#xA;Of course, there is no doubt that opinion of people more familiar with this topic is most important. (I guess it's a bit unfortunate that this was posted as an answer rather than as a new question - IMO in this way it's less likely that some users might notice this discussion and provide their input.)" CreationDate="2024-01-12T09:18:40.377" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29479" PostId="5816" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I can post a new question with the proposal you mention, which seems like a reasonable compromise also to me. I am willing to do some work to implement the tag, writing a tag description, and tagging suitable questions with it (gradually)." CreationDate="2024-01-12T11:47:30.817" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29480" PostId="5816" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your response. I did not want to create here a very long comment thread - so I left a few brief comments related to maintenance of tags [in the MO editors' lounge](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2024/1/12)." CreationDate="2024-01-12T12:14:18.800" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29351" PostId="5817" Score="4" Text="I don’t think that questions asking about the correctness of papers (especially papers purporting to prove famous conjectures) are on-topic here." CreationDate="2023-12-22T02:20:57.280" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="29354" PostId="5817" Score="1" Text="@Andy Putman: Please note, that I'm not asking about the correctness of Stolin's paper, but the status of the conjecture. Stolin's paper was just the last source I could find that could influence the satus, therefore I mentioned it." CreationDate="2023-12-22T03:04:11.007" UserId="17734" />
  <row Id="29355" PostId="5817" Score="3" Text="It’s a famous enough question that if there was serious progress on it, it would not exactly be a secret.  Unless you have some good reason beyond a random preprint to think that there has been progress despite the fact that no one is talking about it, wikipedia hasn’t been updated, etc. then I don’t think MO is the right place for this." CreationDate="2023-12-22T03:17:07.240" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="29374" PostId="5817" Score="6" Text="I agree with Andy on the &quot;it wouldn't be secret knowledge&quot; front. There would be an article in Quanta on it, you can be sure. But thanks for following procedure and asking here if it's suitable for main!" CreationDate="2023-12-22T21:32:04.820" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29359" PostId="5818" Score="2" Text="I'm glad this was brought up. Thanks!" CreationDate="2023-12-22T07:16:59.387" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29367" PostId="5818" Score="20" Text="I like the title &quot;Breakthroughs in mathematics&quot; instead of &quot;Most important results&quot; because the second one carries some awkward implications (primarily that a result that isn't listed would be less important than all the listed results). Also one can have a breakthrough in the study of non-radial flanges even if non-radial flanges aren't a particularly important mathematical object at all - assessing whether something is a breakthrough within it's field is much less subjective than assessing the improtance of different fields." CreationDate="2023-12-22T13:25:39.313" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="29371" PostId="5818" Score="11" Text="I agree with Will re “most important result”.  However, by my standards, breakthroughs are rare and I would hesitate to use the word for many genuinely new and surprising results.  I would prefer a more understated title like “Noteworthy results in 2023”." CreationDate="2023-12-22T15:07:11.140" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="29372" PostId="5818" Score="0" Text="Perhaps &quot;Favorite results in 2023&quot; would make the subjectivity more apparent? We could even steal the [popularity contest](https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/popularity-contest) tag." CreationDate="2023-12-22T16:47:03.023" UserId="65915" />
  <row Id="29375" PostId="5818" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherKing I once asked a [question on MO](https://mathoverflow.net/q/267054) with the word &quot;favorite&quot; in the title, and was warned by the software that my question might be unacceptably subjective. Indeed, the [help page](https://mathoverflow.net/help/dont-ask) specifically flags &quot;What's your favorite...?&quot; questions as a type of question to avoid." CreationDate="2023-12-23T01:06:33.077" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29383" PostId="5818" Score="14" Text="Such a list has value. Many old more &quot;opinion based&quot; questions on MSE and MO have much value but would be shut down if asked today; I think that is a shame. The rules about good questions - rules mostly designed to ward off scrappy homework or low effort questions - should not be so inflexible; as there is clear value in such a list (for anyone who is nonexpert in a particular field) the question is a good one. Some of the more historic questions are just funny and interesting on a human level; that's good too. We shouldn't be a robotic &quot;question in, answer out&quot; machine" CreationDate="2023-12-24T13:53:18.407" UserId="320040" />
  <row Id="29384" PostId="5818" Score="6" Text="Is the intended use of the voting options that users should simply up-vote the option they favor? Or is the expectation that users will up-vote the option they favor, and down-vote the option they oppose? It will have an odd effect on the votes if some users are only up-voting, while others are both up-voting and down-voting." CreationDate="2023-12-24T21:16:10.610" UserId="509184" />
  <row Id="29386" PostId="5818" Score="13" Text="The Quanta year end summary seems, understandably, heavily biased towards results that are easily explainable to a general audience (so we see a lot of graph theory, combinatorics, elementary number theory, et cetera)." CreationDate="2023-12-25T02:27:37.747" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="29388" PostId="5819" Score="16" Text="MO is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians. &quot;Which results are important and interesting to the research community&quot; is necessarily of intense interest to people whose careers hinge on producing mathematics that other researchers find important and interesting." CreationDate="2023-12-26T16:14:04.110" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="29393" PostId="5819" Score="6" Text="I completely agree with this answer (and learned a lot of interesting things from reading these threads). But so that we don’t receive a bunch of duplicates on different days of December, I think this tradition should be passed on to the moderators. They will ask the question with the best wording (as discussed here) and on a fixed date (in my opinion, starting the discussion of the past year is most reasonable and beautiful to start on January 1st)." CreationDate="2023-12-28T00:15:20.777" UserId="148161" />
  <row Id="29394" PostId="5819" Score="7" Text="The text could note that this is a special thread posted by moderators, which would also be a compromise with those who believe that freely asking such questions moves the site in the wrong direction." CreationDate="2023-12-28T00:19:55.320" UserId="148161" />
  <row Id="29395" PostId="5819" Score="5" Text="@Neal It's true that success as a professional mathematician is related to doing work largely considered &quot;important and interesting.&quot; But, a question like &quot;what field of research is best to get a job?&quot; would clearly be closed, and such questions are always met with comments like &quot;ask your advisor.&quot; Also, the set of people who vote on mathoverflow is not at all representative of math as a whole, so you cannot glean much from just knowing that an answer got a lot of upvotes." CreationDate="2023-12-28T15:25:34.673" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29376" PostId="5820" Score="11" Text="Counter-argument: although it very blatantly breaks the rules, this specific annual question is tradition and it turns out well so it should get a carve out. But we shouldn't encourage similar questions on a regular basis." CreationDate="2023-12-23T03:29:00.413" UserId="65915" />
  <row Id="29379" PostId="5820" Score="7" Text="Counter-counter-argument: new users don't know that this is an &quot;annual tradition&quot; and might therefore get the wrong idea about what kinds of questions are considered on topic. Also, just because something is &quot;tradition&quot; doesn't mean the community needs to keep doing it! Since MO began, the community has refined what we consider to be on topic, and many of the early questions would not be considered on topic today." CreationDate="2023-12-23T13:32:35.617" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29380" PostId="5820" Score="11" Text="I'm also not sure that doing it in 2010, 2021, and 2022 (under different names and always accompanied by controversy) makes it a &quot;tradition.&quot;" CreationDate="2023-12-23T14:06:55.407" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29381" PostId="5820" Score="2" Text="By its very nature, such a question could not have a single acceptable answer, and therefore would probably have to be a community wiki post, tagged &quot;soft-question&quot; or &quot;big-list&quot;. I usually tend to downvote and vote to close these questions." CreationDate="2023-12-23T15:05:33.980" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="29382" PostId="5820" Score="25" Text="@Timothy: Perhaps the real tradition was the controversies we made along the way?" CreationDate="2023-12-23T17:27:18.797" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29389" PostId="5820" Score="4" Text="Another thing I think is bad about these questions is that there is no protocol for who gets to post them, or when. Already this year we saw &quot;best results of 2023&quot; get posted as a question twice. It seemed to me that something similar would also happen with the &quot;important work of [recently deceased mathematician]&quot; questions, where there would be a rush to be the person who posted the question immediately after the subject's death." CreationDate="2023-12-27T03:19:29.683" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="29390" PostId="5820" Score="4" Text="@SamHopkins I'm not sure that matters too much. The question would be community wiki, so there's no race to gain reputation. If it gets posted more than once, then the duplicates can be closed. Of course, it would be &quot;cleaner&quot; if there were a clear protocol, but I don't see the lack of protocol as a dealbreaker." CreationDate="2023-12-27T03:42:00.057" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29391" PostId="5820" Score="5" Text="I would also argue that &quot;interesting/important results of the year&quot; is something that one would like to hear about from an insightful colleague whose opinion is clearly relevant. Coming from anonymous sources and upvoted by some other anonymous users makes it a very weird exercise. I think that permitting MathOverflow anonymity means that such questions must be closed." CreationDate="2023-12-27T15:23:56.737" UserId="1306" />
  <row Id="29392" PostId="5820" Score="5" Text="I apologize for not being up to proper rational discussion, but I once again want to point to Brandolini's law when it comes to arguing against overhyped announcements" CreationDate="2023-12-27T15:57:22.523" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="29396" PostId="5822" Score="5" Text="I agree with a lot of this, but especially the bit about how subverting the rules because it's popular to do so in this case goes against the whole point of having explicit policies, moderation, etc. in the first place." CreationDate="2023-12-28T16:05:13.470" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="29397" PostId="5822" Score="9" Text="@SamHopkins I don't view the policies as Laying Down The Law Which Must Be Obeyed, so much as trying to give some guidelines about using the site for its intended purpose. The &quot;intended purpose&quot; is necessarily somewhat fuzzy, but it's an invaluable conceit for making MathOverflow (or StackOverflow) work. Put simply, the philosophy (as I understand it) has been that the rules exist to serve the community; the community does not exist to serve the rules. If the community wants something that doesn't comply with the rules as stated, then changing the rules should always be a serious possibility." CreationDate="2023-12-28T16:28:13.197" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29398" PostId="5822" Score="6" Text="You write that &quot; As of this writing, my answer has 21 upvotes and 19 downvotes, and serves as an example of why &quot;primarily opinion based&quot; questions are not appropriate for mathoverflow.&quot;&#xA;&#xA;This does not seem to follow. The high upvote and downvotes may be (likely is) due to the fact that it calls for closure and that it mixes an answer with an opinion about it. If the answer had just been an answer to the question, I strongly suspect it would have been upvoted a lot with few downvotes." CreationDate="2023-12-28T16:34:44.000" UserId="127690" />
  <row Id="29399" PostId="5822" Score="8" Text="@DavidWhite Given how contentious this issue has become, I like the suggestion in your final paragraph, of having the moderators come to some decision, and marking it clearly as a &quot;holiday exception&quot; if they decide to allow it. But I also want to say that I don't think that the 21 upvotes and 19 downvotes prove what you claim they prove. It doesn't prove that the *question* is bad. It proves only that if an *answer* is posted which mixes an actual answer to the question with a polemic about how terrible the question is, then such an answer will likely elicit a mixed reaction." CreationDate="2023-12-28T16:34:50.553" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29400" PostId="5822" Score="5" Text="Well, the fact that the question was closed via votes, and then re-opened via votes, at least shows a fair amount of disagreement about its appropriateness among users." CreationDate="2023-12-28T17:15:46.027" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="29403" PostId="5822" Score="6" Text="I was mildly in favor of keeping the question open.  Having read this post  I have voted to close." CreationDate="2023-12-29T12:30:30.317" UserId="10503" />
  <row Id="29404" PostId="5822" Score="3" Text="@StevenLandsburg: Same for me." CreationDate="2023-12-29T13:21:25.690" UserId="102946" />
  <row Id="29407" PostId="5822" Score="3" Text="I feel like the question in question would be more appropriate at a tea.mathoverflow site, if we had such a thing." CreationDate="2023-12-29T23:13:43.867" UserId="6518" />
  <row Id="29412" PostId="5822" Score="7" Text="Wow. I don't find the &quot;mixed messages&quot; or &quot;research help&quot; arguments convincing, and I think the big-lists (opinion-based or not) are fun and often useful, but if this particular tradition attracts people who don't know how to behave themselves, then forget it. There's too much toxicity online as it is." CreationDate="2024-01-03T03:41:38.750" UserId="64529" />
  <row Id="29453" PostId="5822" Score="2" Text="FWIW, I am also not too happy with the moderators' decision to delete your question and re-post just the part about the Telescope Conjecture. IMO, it would have been better just to delete your answer without re-posting any of it. That said, I don't think your five purported analogues are really analogous. None of them say, &quot;This question is definitely inappropriate&quot; and then go ahead and answer it." CreationDate="2024-01-10T03:20:26.460" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29454" PostId="5822" Score="1" Text="I'd characterize your five examples as follows: 1: &quot;This should be CW.&quot; 2: &quot;Part 1 is inappropriate; I'll answer Part 2.&quot; 3: &quot;There's a better SE site for this question.&quot; 4: &quot;This genre of question is perhaps usually inappropriate, but I think this particular question is okay.&quot; 5: &quot;I'm uncertain whether this question is appropriate, but I'll answer it because people seem interested.&quot; Again, none of these has the form, &quot;This question is *definitely inappropriate* and I strongly disagree with those who claim it's appropriate, but here's an answer anyway.&quot;" CreationDate="2024-01-10T03:22:51.817" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29664" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="In response to your last comment linking the non-deleted answer, it was in 2012, when we had a pretty different slate of moderators, and site norms were somewhat different. Complaining of inconsistency assumes that the way that moderators approach should be totally static, and not adapt to how the community shifts over time. Questions that were on-topic in December 2009 (when the user base was very narrow and most people actually knew each other anway) would be closed as off-topic today. Does that sound your &quot;but muh consistency!&quot; (sorry) alarm?" CreationDate="2024-02-23T03:29:53.153" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29665" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="In particular, you can see Todd Trimble in the comments, with his prominent moderator diamond ..... but he wasn't a moderator until about a year after those comments! As far as I can tell, the answer wasn't flagged for moderator attention, so no doubt the community was more accepting in those days of such answers. In general telling people their question is a bad one needs to be done with care, and usually with enough shared context to make it clear that the feedback is meant to be constructive. Telling an undergrad their question is bad is something I would personally never do, in contrast." CreationDate="2024-02-23T03:33:02.170" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29666" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Yes, I think that old questions that would be closed if asked today, should be closed. That will prevent people from getting the wrong idea that such questions are on topic today. Also, I maintain that this &quot;annual holiday tradition&quot; is a blatant violation of the FAQ, should be closed, and should not be encouraged for next year. Mark my words: in future years, this &quot;holiday tradition&quot; will happen earlier and earlier in an arms race for people who want to ask a highly upvoted but totally opinion-based and non-research question, in a unique period where it's magically acceptable." CreationDate="2024-02-23T03:38:51.477" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29667" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="@DavidWhite we have different tools to deal with that. A question can be &quot;locked for historical significance&quot; instead, and this was done recently to such a question. If you want to flag a question for mod attention that you think should be locked, let us know and use such a phrase. Closing a question instead of locking it doesn't send the correct message, which is &quot;things have changed, please don't ask such questions any more&quot;, rather than &quot;this highly active and upvoted question is closed for being off-topic&quot;, which is really mixing messages." CreationDate="2024-02-23T03:47:31.840" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="30760" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="Here's another example: https://mathoverflow.net/a/83211/11540" CreationDate="2024-03-13T02:13:55.160" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="30765" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="Here's another example: https://mathoverflow.net/a/133301/11540" CreationDate="2024-03-13T12:22:37.770" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="30795" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="Here's another example: https://mathoverflow.net/a/137572/11540" CreationDate="2024-03-29T00:51:39.317" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29406" PostId="5823" Score="6" Text="This has been reported on Meta SE, and is tagged [status-review]; see here: [When a retraction is not a retraction. Please update close-menu message](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/376335)" CreationDate="2023-12-29T20:42:51.093" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="29468" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="Wouldn't your first bullet point fall under &quot;Make sure that the question includes the necessary background&quot; - which is included in my suggestion? Or would you prefer to add to this something specifically about undefined symbols and undefined notionts? (So there are just two remaining issues. For the last one, I could see something like &quot;Do not ask several unrelated question in one post.&quot; I wasn't able to come up with a good suggestion for the second bullet point.)" CreationDate="2024-01-11T09:09:49.640" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29474" PostId="5824" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak : (i) When I see &quot;Make sure that the question includes the necessary background&quot;, what comes to my mind is describing the motivation and/or importance and/or context and/or pre-history of the question -- all that quite apart from the specific request to define all the terms and symbols used. I would see presenting such background as a good thing, but usually not necessary in order to understand the essence of the question." CreationDate="2024-01-11T22:27:43.340" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="29475" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak : (ii) I think one may want to ask many more or less related questions in one post, which will usually make the post less attractive to answerers, and then the asker would not benefit either. On the other hand, [existing guidelines](https://mathoverflow.net/help/how-to-answer) say &quot;avoid trying to answer questions which [...] request answers to multiple questions&quot; -- without mentioning the relatedness condition." CreationDate="2024-01-11T22:28:21.417" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="29476" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak : (iii) For the 2nd bullet point, which concerns a very frequent problem in my experience as an answerer, I would suggest &quot;Make sure the necessary quantifiers, 'for all' and 'for some', are not missing and are carefully placed&quot;." CreationDate="2024-01-11T22:28:32.027" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="29477" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="Perhaps you could try to include in your answer specific wording that you have in mind - in that way maybe some other users could comment on it and suggest improvements. (I am writing this fully aware that probability that some other people join this discussion and that is added on MO is not very high.)" CreationDate="2024-01-12T09:14:20.117" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29507" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak : I added specific wording." CreationDate="2024-01-21T15:14:49.203" UserId="36721" />
  <row Id="29515" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="Yes, I have noticed. From the voting so far, none of the proposed wording has much support from the MO community. (And the question has at the moment 10 upvotes and 2 downvotes, so that doesn't show great support, either.) &#xA;I have linked to this question here: [Should there be a banner with some basic info about MO in the right sidebar?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5847) - we'll see whether that might bring a few visitors here, too." CreationDate="2024-01-25T08:15:58.573" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29413" PostId="5825" Score="1" Text="Is it true that in the European Union there is a &quot;right to be forgotten&quot; procedure to follow to get references to you removed from social media?  (As a non-European, I only vaguely remember this, and do not know the details.)" CreationDate="2024-01-03T17:21:10.670" UserId="454" />
  <row Id="29414" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="Somewhat related post on [meta.se]: [How do I remove my name from a post, in accordance with CC BY-SA?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/96732) (Of course, removing the user's name is different from deleting the content.)" CreationDate="2024-01-03T21:35:37.793" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29415" PostId="5825" Score="2" Text="Since you &quot;wonder about the question of who really owns contributions&quot;, I'll point out this [meta-tag:faq] post on this meta: [Who owns my MathOverflow posts?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/950)" CreationDate="2024-01-03T21:50:48.083" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29416" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Yes, I'm aware of that and even referenced it. But the idea that someone could commit &quot;self vandalism&quot; of their own posts seemed odd to me. You can see the relevant discussion in the meta thread I linked. The &quot;someone&quot; was Mark Sapir and the moderator was Todd. I have no idea what Mark did. I have been wondering if a user deleting all their questions and answers would be stopped by the moderators, and if so how that plays into the ownership question." CreationDate="2024-01-03T22:17:42.383" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29417" PostId="5825" Score="1" Text="Sorry, I overlooked that. (Unless I missed something, you haven't  included those links in your post. ) Unrelated to this, I will add that this part seems a bit imprecise: &quot;that user could delete every question, answer, and comment they’ve ever posted&quot;. The software does not allow self-deleting questions and answers in many cases. (Questions: If there is an upvoted answer or at least two answers. Answer: If the answer is accepted. I hope I remember this correctly.)" CreationDate="2024-01-03T22:34:46.593" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29418" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak Actually, I wasn't aware of that, and it's very helpful to know. So, users are not allowed to delete their own contributions, which does raise issues in my mind of ownership. What if a user had an accepted answer but realized later it was badly wrong and/or embarrassing? I guess the only solution then would be to edit it. It feels like if the user owns it, then they should be allowed to have it removed upon request." CreationDate="2024-01-03T22:45:31.270" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29419" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="@MartinSleziak The Mark Sapir and &quot;self vandalism&quot; thing is here: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/4526/to-moderators-is-my-account-deleted?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1" CreationDate="2024-01-03T22:47:04.523" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29420" PostId="5825" Score="10" Text="Since you mentioned my name, let me point out that &quot;self-vandalism&quot; isn't my concept. It's considered a violation across the SE network, and SE policy has always been to revert such actions. &quot;Please do not vandalize your posts. By posting on the Stack Exchange network, you've granted a non-revocable right for SE to distribute that content (under the CC BY-SA 3.0 license). By SE policy, any vandalism will be reverted.&quot;" CreationDate="2024-01-04T03:17:57.343" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="29421" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="By the way: although site mods can destroy accounts, such actions do not destroy content." CreationDate="2024-01-04T03:29:42.080" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="29422" PostId="5825" Score="2" Text="@ToddTrimble Probably it is worth mentioning that the posts with *negative* score are deleted in such case. And that the mods have an option to delete an account together with all posts - but the later option is probably used rarely and reserved mainly for spammers. At least if the information here is not outdated: [Does deleting an account delete the associated posts and comments?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/78629) It seems that this is actually called *destroying* a user: [What is the difference between a deleted user and a &quot;destroyed&quot; user?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/88994)" CreationDate="2024-01-04T05:06:35.480" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29423" PostId="5825" Score="12" Text="Suppose someone went to a university library and grabbed a hard copy of a journal with a paper they wrote in it, and because of the publisher being bought out by a dodgy outfit they didn't like, ripped their paper out of the journal so they were not longer associated with the publication — it would be called vandalism. If one instead paid a hacker to delete one's article from off the publisher's website and entire database as well, that would be vandalism. Our answers here are donated to the community, and aren't wholly our own. Doesn't answer your question, but puts context around &quot;vandalism&quot;" CreationDate="2024-01-04T07:30:39.147" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29424" PostId="5825" Score="1" Text="A scenario which might be even worse than the ones you mention, would be one where for some moral reasons the future dominant community of MO would impose changes on old posts. E.g., &quot;It was proved by Euler&quot; would be considered in 2040 as offending and replaced with &quot;It was proved by Her Majesty Euler&quot; and corrected accordingly on then-old posts. (This one is deliberately ridiculous, but I have more polemical and plausible similar ones in mind, which I'll refrain from mentioning.)" CreationDate="2024-01-04T10:46:30.527" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29425" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="@YCor - the version history is (at least at present) baked into the system, so all such changes are attributed (and this is needed for the Creative Commons license, I suspect)—if only to a system bot/'Community user'. In principle, if one has a personal website hosted by an external company, it might decide to have a backdoor installed and then edit posts to suit certain views. Or Google could systematically edit YouTube videos to contain certain things and not others. But this is getting ... quite intricate." CreationDate="2024-01-04T11:32:25.180" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29426" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="I don't want to get off-topic on vandalism (might be good for a separate question). What throws me is that &quot;vandalism&quot; is not defined. The idea is that an edit should make the post better, and I don't know what happens if there's disagreement on that subjective judgment. Or, if the OP thinks the answer must be deleted because it has an error and is embarrassing, but a moderator thinks it's still useful. Labeling the author as a &quot;vandal&quot; could be seen as a way to silence them and remove their agency; potentially a power move by moderators. No offense intended; just thinking about optics." CreationDate="2024-01-04T14:52:47.813" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29427" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts I'm not sure the average user thinks of content on MO as analogous to journal publications. The platform emphasizes speed. I can't tell you how many times I've found stuff I wrote as an early grad student and cringed (because of writing quality, or naivety). Perhaps it's natural as one gets older to think about legacy, and curating one's body of work. With my hypothetical scenarios in mind, and the clear fact that SE would never relinquish control of my content, I think I might tell my younger self not to join MO, given the chance." CreationDate="2024-01-04T15:01:05.897" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29428" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="I googled the keywords from Todd's comment, and stumbled upon an exact instance of the kind of thing I was afraid of. Someone asked a question about dealing with an unethical chair. Then StrongBad answered. Then the OP tried to delete the question and, failing that, to edit out the text she'd written, saying that she was afraid of reprisals. But StrongBad was a moderator and refused to delete it, since &quot;it already has an answer&quot; (namely: his). This was not &quot;self vandalism&quot; - it was an OP being prevented from deleting despite safety concerns https://academia.stackexchange.com/a/78742/66685" CreationDate="2024-01-05T03:21:12.677" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29429" PostId="5825" Score="1" Text="Since the question linked in the previous comment by @DavidWhite is deleted at the moment, here is a Wayback Machine snapshot: [Unethical requests from the senior professors and chair](https://web.archive.org/web/20210928054008/https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/78739/unethical-requests-from-the-senior-professors-and-chair)." CreationDate="2024-01-05T04:08:32.167" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29430" PostId="5825" Score="12" Text="The idea that a user could decide to remove all their posts and the site has to comply is thoroughly incompatible with the letter and spirit of the CC-BY-SA licence. If you want to retain full control of the fate of content you create, there is no solution other than not publishing it under a licence that warrants free distribution of the content." CreationDate="2024-01-05T06:52:11.687" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29431" PostId="5825" Score="2" Text="@DavidWhite I used non diamond powers to repair vandalism and then used diamond powers to temporarily lock the post while the content dispute was resolved. I suggested two courses of action that I thought were suitable since the post did not contain any identifying information and was from a throw away account. OP never followed up explaining why those suggestions where insufficient or asking for a different moderator to step in. Had they, a different conclusion could have been reached." CreationDate="2024-01-05T14:19:44.283" UserId="111612" />
  <row Id="29432" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek Yes, I think you're right. I suppose that, if any of the hypothetical scenarios came to pass (it sounds like the first would be a flagrant violation of CC), the solution would be for a user exiting the community to write up a reason why, and link to it from their profile here. Like &quot;This site used to be X, then became Y, and I stopped contributing.&quot; However, things like scenario 5 do concern me. Imagine if we'd had an Afghani contributor, then the Taliban took over, and view this as aiding the West's scientific/military complex." CreationDate="2024-01-05T14:45:39.087" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29433" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="Perhaps the downvotes here are for committing &quot;thought crime.&quot; No one has really addressed the actual question (of how to remove contributions, or having the ability to ask moderators to &quot;destroy&quot; your profile), but I guess at least the comments here will serve to show future readers that SE will cling to anything you post to MO, regardless of your wishes, changes to the site, bad behavior by SE, etc. In light of that, I think people should be very careful what they post (or, not post at all), treating it more like a journal, as David Roberts suggested." CreationDate="2024-01-05T17:08:13.253" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29434" PostId="5825" Score="9" Text="I interpret the downvotes instead to reflect the view that some people don't think it should be possible for a user to delete content in the way you are seeking." CreationDate="2024-01-05T17:19:56.070" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29436" PostId="5825" Score="4" Text="@DavidWhite You have remarked several times about possible bad behavior by SE, and so I wonder whether you are aware of the special legal nature of MO with respect to SE, explained here: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/970/1946. The long and short is that we as a community can decide to bring the entire MO site outside of SE if we should wish, and this might address some of your concerns." CreationDate="2024-01-05T18:02:41.053" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="29439" PostId="5825" Score="3" Text="@DavidWhite Instead of &quot;mass deletion,&quot; maybe the title should say &quot;complete&quot; or &quot;total&quot; deletion? When I first saw the word &quot;mass,&quot; I thought it meant the deletion of the content of a huge number of users all at once. But I think you're referring to deleting the content of a *single* user, with the emphasis being on complete extirpation of all records, rather than the volume of deletions?" CreationDate="2024-01-05T18:38:25.107" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29442" PostId="5825" Score="3" Text="*&quot;Even if you think none of those scenarios is likely, it’s worth thinking about what will happen to the data you’ve entered on the site, after you die.&quot;* And why on Earth would I care about *that*??? I have injected certain amount of good and evil into this world, and when I leave, it will be entirely its problem how to digest it or how to spit out. Mostly it is its problem even when I'm still alive." CreationDate="2024-01-05T21:09:32.670" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="29444" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="In most (if not all) scenarios that you suggested, wouldn't disassociation of the user account from the post (rather than deletion) be satisfactory? (At the same time, I will admit that I do not remember disassociation being used on such a large scale - only for individual post.) One should add, that even in the case when somebody deleted all of their posts, if the content was saved somewhere before that, it would still be possible to find the original username from the saved copy." CreationDate="2024-01-06T02:06:58.823" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29445" PostId="5825" Score="1" Text="@MartinSleziak I think David White's concern is that sometimes the identity of someone can be inferred even if the name is deleted. He mentions this at the end of his first paragraph." CreationDate="2024-01-06T02:42:09.653" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29446" PostId="5825" Score="1" Text="People who have the same concerns as the OP would probably be in favor of posting anonymously on the site. Here are some previous discussion related to this: [On the role of anonymity in a site dedicated to research-level mathematics](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/1113) and [Anonymity Policy](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2574). (And some discussions on the old [tea](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/tea/info) are linked there.)" CreationDate="2024-01-06T07:02:59.260" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29435" PostId="5827" Score="3" Text="I really like this answer (and, indeed, many of your contributions). But, I do want to add that vitriol directed at those who object to such &quot;popular but clearly off-topic&quot; questions will *also* drive good people to leave the site, as pointed out by Elizabeth: https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5818/most-important-results-of-the-year-appropriate-or-not/5822?noredirect=1#comment29412_5822. And, such vitriol seems common, from a wide segment of users." CreationDate="2024-01-05T17:49:18.563" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29437" PostId="5827" Score="8" Text="@DavidWhite To be driven away by occasionally seeing discussions and quarrels you are *not obliged to read and participate in* and can easily just ignore (they are never too many in the general stream to cause real irritation) or because some other people (harshly) criticize you for *prohibiting them doing what they like* without making you any real harm except telling that you can't control everything is one thing and to be driven away by the direct closing of the discussions you want to participate in and by policing the content of your posts or the posts you like is quite another." CreationDate="2024-01-05T18:20:55.260" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="29438" PostId="5827" Score="0" Text="@DavidWhite But I agree with you that we all need to learn to be a bit more tolerant and polite to each other when strongly disagreeing, myself including :-)" CreationDate="2024-01-05T18:22:33.227" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="29441" PostId="5827" Score="0" Text="I disagree with your first comment. I think experienced users DO have an obligation to try to keep the site &quot;on topic&quot; and that's why we flag spam, vote for migrating posts to MSE and academia, edit, leave comments, and vote on others' posts. By your logic, one should never downvote or vote to close, because one could simply ignore the offending question." CreationDate="2024-01-05T21:02:21.397" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29443" PostId="5827" Score="3" Text="@DavidWhite I didn't mean the obvious spam, rudeness, etc. Read what I wrote in the beginning of my answer.I also always encourage editing for clarity, comments, and votes and do that myself all the time. Even migrating is fine with me. What I object is immediate closing just for the *sole* reason of being *off topic* in somebody's individual judgement (including but not limited to declaring the question &quot;not of research level* without being able to solve it oneself). That is purely snobbish behavior IMHO and, yeah, I tend to criticize it quite harshly when I see it :-)." CreationDate="2024-01-05T21:22:29.873" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="29449" PostId="5827" Score="2" Text="This sounds reasonable enough, but there is also the &quot;slippery slope&quot; concern. To make this more concrete, let's consider MSE as a warning to us here. I believe it was at some point in the (distant) past a moderately or even perfectly reasonable site. It may have transitioned to its current status as a HW factory with noise/content ratio $\simeq\infty$ by a process that was at all times following the principles from your first paragraph. Or, more succinctly, *principiis obsta.*" CreationDate="2024-01-06T21:45:59.263" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="29450" PostId="5827" Score="1" Text="@ChristianRemling You are absolutely correct. The amount of policing should be proportional to the square of the deviation from the ideal to keep things at bay, so MSE *does* need more severe policing *now*. But, IMHO, there should not be a big positive term in that equation. Also the noise there is *not* of the type of occasional free discussion of controversial topics, but of the type &quot;I cannot add 2 and 3, please help me&quot;. I vote to close such posts on MO immediately too (though I usually give the poster some hint in a comment when doing so)" CreationDate="2024-01-07T03:34:07.760" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="29463" PostId="5827" Score="3" Text="@ChristianRemling And when I said that MSE needed more policing, I certainly *did not* mean this: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4840714 An engineer with rusty memory about mathematics comes to MSE *for the first time in his/her life* seeking help, posts an *absolutely clear* math question *directly relevant* to his/her work, and gets sacked by the MSE police in no time. A shame and disgrace, IMHO, especially taking into account all the junk that usually floats there." CreationDate="2024-01-10T21:52:33.607" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="29464" PostId="5827" Score="1" Text="@fedja: I closed my MSE account after a similar incident with a question that I had answered: a perfectly clear question that would have been well above average quality on MO got closed because of the same silly policy &quot;you only stated your question, but didn't say what you have tried and you didn't invent some fake motivation.&quot; The general phenomenon is of course well known (instead of addressing the real problem, invent imaginary ones and &quot;fight&quot; those)." CreationDate="2024-01-10T22:14:50.143" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="29440" PostId="5828" Score="0" Text="Good point about the title. I've updated it, to try to make it clearer what the question is about. Also, it's worth pointing out that, because of the periodic data dumps, even if a user is &quot;destroyed&quot; there is an easily accessible record of their past contributions, which is worth bearing in mind for anyone concerned about the &quot;worst case scenario&quot; https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315378/does-archival-interfere-with-attribution-removal" CreationDate="2024-01-05T20:53:39.903" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29451" PostId="5829" Score="0" Text="I find the  percentage-of-questions graph remarkable, surely a decline not fully explained by the more time to answer older questions. I wonder what this portends for the future of MathOverflow..." CreationDate="2024-01-08T22:49:20.707" UserId="6094" />
  <row Id="29452" PostId="5830" Score="3" Text="A similar older question on this meta: [Should be simply &quot;no answer&quot; among bounty reasons](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3323)." CreationDate="2024-01-09T19:21:16.547" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29481" PostId="5830" Score="2" Text="From what I’ve seen, bounties are mostly used to advertise marginal questions.  Though I know it is impossible to eliminate them, anything that discourages people from using them is in my eyes a feature, not a bug." CreationDate="2024-01-14T14:17:13.330" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="29455" PostId="5831" Score="1" Text="Maybe the tag ([meta-tag:statistics]) would be suitable here?" CreationDate="2024-01-10T05:26:58.263" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29459" PostId="5831" Score="2" Text="You mentioned &quot;common practice on MO of suggesting that a question be migrated to MSE&quot;. My impression is that closing a question of MSE level is more common than directly migrating it. One of the frequent close reasons mentions Mathematics - but it also includes a link to some site guidelines - see here: [Revamping the closure reasons in 2022](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5327).&#xA;One thing to consider could be mentioning [list of suitable sites](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/3760) rather than only Mathematics - similarly as in [the FAQ](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/207) and ..." CreationDate="2024-01-10T07:36:52.320" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29460" PostId="5831" Score="0" Text="... in the [modal window](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5007). (But perhaps the text of close reason would become more clumsy. Moreover, for somebody who already posted here - in the SE network - recommending another SE site feels more natural.)" CreationDate="2024-01-10T07:36:57.590" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29461" PostId="5831" Score="3" Text="My current knowledge of MathSE is mostly concentrated on some tags (group theory and a few more specific). While the overall quality is not high, it certainly not as bad as suggested — the content/noise ratio is low but I'd not call it not &quot;close to zero&quot;. The community tendancy at MathSE (for the last 5-6 years) is indeed to reject brief questions regardless of their contents if they are not presented as homework, showing efforts etc. This is indeed somewhat discouraging. (Well, this doesn't address OP's question.)" CreationDate="2024-01-10T09:40:07.067" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29462" PostId="5831" Score="0" Text="I guess it's worth pointing out that the question mentions two different (albeit related) things. One of them is migration - this happens after several close voters choose to move a question to MSE &#xA;But &quot;directing people to MSE&quot; could be reasonably interpreted as mentioning MSE in comments. For the latter, it would be next to impossible to get some reasonable statistics. (If a question was migrated to [math.se], you can still see that in the question's timeline. But you won't find out whether somebody suggested MSE to the OP in some post on MO - especially if the MO post is now deleted.)" CreationDate="2024-01-10T12:57:25.457" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29465" PostId="5833" Score="5" Text="I'll see if Community Management can determine anything (as in the case you linked to, I have a suspicion). In my opinion: couldn't happen to a nicer guy, and I hope this gets sorted out." CreationDate="2024-01-11T02:47:38.137" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="29486" PostId="5833" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5833/systematic-downvoting#comment29465_5833), of course the OP almost certainly knows what you mean, but, in my understanding of the term (borne out by the idiom search on [The Free Dictionary](https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/couldn%27t+happen+to+a+nicer+guy)), saying of something negative that it &quot;couldn't happen to a nicer guy&quot; has sarcastic connotations that actually the negative thing is deserved." CreationDate="2024-01-16T20:57:16.857" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29487" PostId="5833" Score="0" Text="@LSpice Heard. Are you suggesting I edit? I can do that, you know." CreationDate="2024-01-16T22:29:00.177" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="29488" PostId="5833" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, I wouldn't generally interpret the phrase as negative. I agree it can be used sarcastically, but this is context-dependent, rather than the standard reading." CreationDate="2024-01-16T22:35:14.453" UserId="152679" />
  <row Id="29489" PostId="5833" Score="0" Text="@ToddTrimble, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5833/systematic-downvoting#comment29487_5833), no, especially since it seemed unlikely to be misunderstood in the context (as @‍‍varkor [observes](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5833/systematic-downvoting#comment29488_5833)).  I just thought you might like to know of the potential for future misunderstanding.  If the whole thing is too conversational, I have no problem deleting the comments (or of course you can)." CreationDate="2024-01-16T23:24:23.817" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29490" PostId="5833" Score="0" Text="No, I'm aware of the idiom, and in fact used the phrase that way (in a private conversation) just last night. But thanks anyhow." CreationDate="2024-01-17T00:59:03.597" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="29491" PostId="5833" Score="0" Text="@LSpice This is verging on EngLangSplaining..." CreationDate="2024-01-17T02:35:42.203" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="29484" PostId="5835" Score="0" Text="Not your question, I know, but a primary reason to study any proposed new structure is that it is *interesting*. The richness of much of mathematics arises from the basic operations interacting through simple laws: in particular, the distribution of multiplication over addition and the associative law for both operations. Do your operations conform to such laws?" CreationDate="2024-01-16T16:11:08.207" UserId="7458" />
  <row Id="29485" PostId="5835" Score="1" Text="TeX note: it will produce very large spacing, so maybe you are intentionally avoiding it, but TeX forgets that `+` is a binary operation when it is `\boxed`, and `\mathbin` reminds it: $r\boxed+s$ vs. $r\mathbin{\boxed+}s$ `$r\boxed+s$ vs. $r\mathbin{\boxed+}s$`.  But perhaps just $r \boxplus s$ `r \boxplus s` (although there is only $r \boxtimes s$ `r \boxtimes s`, not a boxed star, as far as I know) will do?" CreationDate="2024-01-16T20:43:34.323" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29494" PostId="5835" Score="0" Text="@LSpice thank you: I just made up the notation on the spot, so just went for an &quot;at hand&quot; notation." CreationDate="2024-01-17T09:58:20.923" UserId="35482" />
  <row Id="29495" PostId="5835" Score="1" Text="@JohnBentin they have these basic properties &quot;by transport&quot;." CreationDate="2024-01-17T09:59:15.320" UserId="35482" />
  <row Id="29466" PostId="5836" Score="5" Text="The software is designed to test serial downvoting, but that does not mean it is completely effective at doing so (as far as we know, the method of detecting serial downvoting is not public). I try to make sure my questions are all clearly written, and no-one has ever commented about their quality. I rarely receive downvotes, so receiving many in a short amount of time on completely different questions, with no underlying theme, and without any justification whatsoever, is suspicious." CreationDate="2024-01-11T07:51:43.693" UserId="152679" />
  <row Id="29467" PostId="5836" Score="2" Text="I also don't need a reason to suspect someone is mad at me to believe it might be happening (nor is someone being mad at me a prerequisite for systematic downvoting). But I agree with your advice that I should just care less about reputation :)" CreationDate="2024-01-11T07:54:06.987" UserId="152679" />
  <row Id="29469" PostId="5836" Score="1" Text="I know of a user who is systematically downvoted because their answers lack mathematical rigor, which is a valid reason on a site for professional mathematicians, although fortunately most colleagues here are more friendly and tolerant to outsiders. And indeed, caring less about reputation is the way to go." CreationDate="2024-01-11T11:42:25.687" UserId="11260" />
  <row Id="29470" PostId="5836" Score="1" Text="@CarloBeenakker In the case of the OP, lack of mathematical rigor is really out of the question. The OP is also among the most courteous people I know here. When downvoting comes to feel like harassment, it needs to be investigated." CreationDate="2024-01-11T14:46:04.730" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="29471" PostId="5836" Score="1" Text="What &quot;feels like harassment&quot; is obviously subjective. I faced the kind of downvoting the OP asks about twice. Once, long ago, on answers I wrote about model categories, when there was some movement to switch everything to $\infty$-categories. And once, a few years ago, on answers that referenced certain papers of mine (I think I know who was responsible, but didn't pursue anything). Regarding varkor's posts, I can say that I've upvoted some and downvoted others (certainly a net positive for varkor). Varkor often gives really nice answers that show a deep understanding of the literature. (cont)" CreationDate="2024-01-11T15:37:55.420" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29472" PostId="5836" Score="2" Text="(cont) Some of their questions are very interesting but some of are very niche, involving terms that are not defined, or have errors pointed out in the comments or in the answers. Clearly one of our moderators considers varkor a friend. I think it would be wise not to let that friendship lead to preferential treatment. My view is that, if the software doesn’t flag a voting pattern as &quot;systematic downvoting&quot; then choosing to investigate for some users but not others is preferential. Most people who ask on meta &quot;why was I downvoted&quot; get empathy and encouragement, but not an investigation." CreationDate="2024-01-11T15:38:06.250" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29473" PostId="5836" Score="11" Text="Community Management will do the investigation; I'm out of it. All I did was bring this meta thread to their attention (and this is my answer to OP's actual question: ask CM to see if anything's there)." CreationDate="2024-01-11T16:38:04.220" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="29482" PostId="5837" Score="5" Text="Agreed with most of this as an excellent general answer.  However, could you give at least a little explanation of the last half-sentence “I am not fully convinced about the example described above by the OP.” ?  It seems a little frustrating for OP to leave them with “these are fine in general, but not yours” without further explanation.  (Personally I find OP’s example fine, assuming that if actually asking it, OP would include some background on their own knowledge and literature searching so far.)" CreationDate="2024-01-14T15:38:29.420" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="29496" PostId="5837" Score="4" Text="@PeterLeFanuLumsdaine thank you for the interjection, but I think the half-sentence in question is a kind way of saying that there is no much going on with the $X$ given in the question." CreationDate="2024-01-17T10:00:25.560" UserId="35482" />
  <row Id="29508" PostId="5837" Score="1" Text="I think it's also important to show it's a good-faith question. &quot;has anyone thought about X&quot; is a far cry from &quot;I'm curious about X. I looked on mathscinet under ... and asked A and B but...&quot;." CreationDate="2024-01-21T18:03:57.570" UserId="20796" />
  <row Id="29492" PostId="5840" Score="3" Text="On first thoughts, I don't think it's terrible. Someone might want to award a bounty to a particularly helpful answer. But it's less clear how such a bounty can or should be divided if there are multiple editors of an answer, particularly if subsequent edits by other users substantially improve the answer! Given that this is a network-wide software feature, it might be worth asking at meta.stackexchange at some point." CreationDate="2024-01-17T05:55:33.383" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29493" PostId="5840" Score="2" Text="@DavidRoberts Concerning the suggestion to ask on [meta.se], I think it is worth checking out the existing posts [on this topic](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/community-wiki+bounties) first, to avoid possible duplication. &#xA;For example, this one looks a bit similar: [Bounties on question with CW answer do not reward people for improving existing answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/134003).&#xA;(Admittedly, CW-posts are often used on MO differently from other sites - as a reputation-denial mechanism. So this is at least to some extent site-specific.)" CreationDate="2024-01-17T06:30:32.330" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29501" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="Some posts which are at least a bit similar: [How many hours I spend on SO](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/312195) on Meta StackOverflow, [To estimate how much time I've spent on SE, what tools are available to help, or at least how can I &quot;vacuum up&quot; all of my timestamps?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/318118) (on [meta.se]) and [How many hours has a user been on math.stack?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31208) (on [math.meta.se])." CreationDate="2024-01-20T01:11:29.210" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29502" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="I am not sure about a good choice of tags for this question - but perhaps ([meta-tag:statistics]) and ([meta-tag:users]) might be worth considering?" CreationDate="2024-01-20T01:18:15.320" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29503" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="Feel free to retag. I only saw 4 suggested tags and picked one." CreationDate="2024-01-20T02:08:15.837" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29509" PostId="5844" Score="1" Text="Thank you very much for investigating! What a rather odd situation." CreationDate="2024-01-21T23:37:25.613" UserId="152679" />
  <row Id="29534" PostId="5849" Score="1" Text="I would even add &quot;... about research-level mathematics for professional mathematicians.&quot;  (Even if it is not strictly the case, we should still add it to discourage poor quality questions.)" CreationDate="2024-01-28T21:00:56.687" UserId="458159" />
  <row Id="29535" PostId="5849" Score="4" Text="@PatrickR A risk with adding such a note is that it could discourage PhD students from asking questions (and those are often good!). It could also discourage amateur mathematicians." CreationDate="2024-01-29T03:46:52.043" UserId="120914" />
  <row Id="29524" PostId="5850" Score="4" Text="Thanks, JNat! It's nice to see the community plays such an active role." CreationDate="2024-01-25T22:41:10.250" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29529" PostId="5850" Score="2" Text="I wonder when does a question count as being &quot;closed by the community&quot;? -- As to the above statistics, in 2023 it happened exactly 2 times ... ." CreationDate="2024-01-27T23:19:59.617" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="29516" PostId="5852" Score="2" Text="Tags, yes. Just ignore them and change the setting to hide ignored tags. For users, no." CreationDate="2024-01-25T15:31:57.593" UserId="7206" />
  <row Id="29517" PostId="5852" Score="2" Text="A related older posts: [Ignoring certain users' postings](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/555). Asaf Karagila mentioned ignored tags - you can find link to the FAQ [in the corresponding tag-info](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/ignored-tags/info)." CreationDate="2024-01-25T15:34:57.140" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29523" PostId="5853" Score="0" Text="I changed the title, since as it was, it seemed to me ambiguous between what you intended, and asking to see a single users up/down votes across all questions they'd voted on. The first thing I thought of on reading the title was the latter. Clearly nuances like there not being a comma in a certain place means that it probably wasn't technically ambiguous, but more clarity doesn't hurt! :-)" CreationDate="2024-01-25T22:37:10.907" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29525" PostId="5853" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Ok, great, thanks! More clarity is always welcome." CreationDate="2024-01-25T23:10:33.957" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29528" PostId="5856" Score="2" Text="By the way, here's an image of the current version of the font (which lacks kerning, so please ignore the bad spacing): [Link](https://i.stack.imgur.com/NWfJI.png). The image shows a paragraph of a recompiled version of Bhatt–Lurie's [The prismatization of $p$-adic formal schemes](https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.06124) as an example." CreationDate="2024-01-27T16:47:48.253" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29530" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="I think &quot;suggestions for a font for math articles/books&quot; could be an okay question for MO, even if it's slightly unusual. (That being said it's not clear to me from what you wrote here if you're talking about just the font in mathmode in LaTeX, or for the whole document, including the natural language parts too. Should be clear about that when you do post it as a question on the main site.)" CreationDate="2024-01-28T03:09:49.557" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="29531" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="@SamHopkins I'm happy to hear that :) (And right! I should clarify that, both here and in the main post: the font is meant to be for both the natural language parts and a math font matching it in style.)" CreationDate="2024-01-28T03:57:53.783" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29540" PostId="5856" Score="3" Text="As I read your description of the question, I am torn between &quot;wow, what a neat question!&quot; and my rules-lawyering complaint &quot;that's not *really* about research-level mathematics in the usual sense here.&quot;  Questions that straddle that kind of borderline can do very well, but they can also catch the community on a grumpy day and do very badly.  So I think getting a commitment for support here first is a very good idea, so that the question can be re-opened if closed." CreationDate="2024-01-29T22:14:57.700" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29541" PostId="5856" Score="2" Text="@LSpice I'm happy to hear you liked it! I feel the same way about the question being right on the boundary of an okay/not okay question for MO. I'd argue the thing that puts it on the &quot;okay&quot; side is the fact that I'm planning to implement the suggestions into an actual font that the community will be able to use for free; if it was just &quot;nice things you'd like in a math font [that no one has committed to make]&quot; I feel it would fall outside the scope of MO." CreationDate="2024-01-30T00:11:42.367" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29542" PostId="5856" Score="3" Text="The ideal audience for your question would be those in the intersection of MathOverflow and TeX.SE; the average mathematician may not care enough about typesetting matters (nor be knowledgeable enough) to answer questions about the subtlety of font design, and many folks on TeX.SE may not have the math-specific awareness (heck, I didn't know until today that Japanese kanas are used regularly in category theory). I am not sure whether here or TeX.SE is a better venue for your question, in part because I am not sure what you mean by &quot;features&quot;." CreationDate="2024-01-30T02:33:14.753" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="29543" PostId="5856" Score="1" Text="(The two examples you gave are so completely distinct from one another.) I think for your question to be well-received on either community (remember, the SE platform really is preferring &quot;answerable&quot; questions) it needs to be more concrete. But returning to the examples you gave, things like having math support for non-latin alphabet characters and bigger delimiters do require also ways to access those features, which makes TeX.SE possibly a more natural venue. (See the `unicode-math` package and the MT pro font.)" CreationDate="2024-01-30T02:38:24.533" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="29544" PostId="5856" Score="2" Text="Finally, it may be worthwhile to wordsmith your exact question here a bit to see community feedback before asking it on main." CreationDate="2024-01-30T02:40:00.877" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="29545" PostId="5856" Score="1" Text="Since Willie Wong mentioned [tex.]se, I will point out that they have a [very active chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/41/tex-latex-and-friends). (The [MathOverflow chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/9369/mathoverflow) is visited much less.)" CreationDate="2024-01-30T03:37:11.313" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29548" PostId="5856" Score="2" Text="My first thought was &quot;is there really a need for a new LaTeX font?&quot;, but upon looking at the example I found it so nice I think I might use it without any need. Great job!" CreationDate="2024-01-30T21:58:30.223" UserId="2530" />
  <row Id="29555" PostId="5856" Score="1" Text="Also you might discuss it with the Typst community https://typst.app at their discord forum, as there is a budding broad range of open people upgrading Open Source scientific typesetting there." CreationDate="2024-01-31T08:01:55.107" UserId="127616" />
  <row Id="29559" PostId="5856" Score="1" Text="I think one way to make the question suitable for MO is to phrase it as, what features might research mathematicians want, that might not be obvious to someone who is not a specialist in their field? That said, I'm having some trouble coming up with an answer to that question. Maybe some special binary relations/operations or symbols?" CreationDate="2024-01-31T20:42:30.450" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29568" PostId="5856" Score="1" Text="In some literature on the geometry of PDEs the Cyrillic capital letter Э is used to denote &quot;evolutionary vector fields&quot; on a jet bundle." CreationDate="2024-02-01T13:52:25.350" UserId="2622" />
  <row Id="29572" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong Thanks, Willie! I posted a draft of the question I'm hoping to ask on the main site below. One of the things I've been thinking about lately when it comes to this question is that input from mathematicians who are not really knowledgeable about fonts could be surprisingly useful, like symbols or notation not provided by current existing packages." CreationDate="2024-02-02T00:07:54.973" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29573" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="@darijgrinberg I'm *super* happy you like it, thank you so much for letting me know! =)" CreationDate="2024-02-02T00:07:59.640" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29574" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="@ClaudeChaunier I'll ask there too, thanks! I didn't know about Typst, and found it really nice, by the way!" CreationDate="2024-02-02T00:08:04.050" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29575" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="@TimothyChow I've outlined a couple examples in my draft question below (though I feel the kind of examples there are definitely non-exhaustive.)" CreationDate="2024-02-02T00:08:08.773" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29576" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="@IgorKhavkine Thanks, Igor!" CreationDate="2024-02-02T00:08:19.960" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29577" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="Lastly, let me apologise for taking a little bit to reply in this thread; I had a crash in my computer which ended up forcing me to reinstall the OS, and it took a little while to set up everything again." CreationDate="2024-02-02T00:08:23.967" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29613" PostId="5856" Score="2" Text="Now posted on the main site: [Suggestions and feature requests for the design of a font for math articles/books](https://mathoverflow.net/q/463883)" CreationDate="2024-02-11T06:33:28.963" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29614" PostId="5856" Score="1" Text="How about cross-posting it to  https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/  and  &#xA;https://physics.stackexchange.com/  ?" CreationDate="2024-02-12T11:46:09.523" UserId="127616" />
  <row Id="29616" PostId="5856" Score="1" Text="@ClaudeChaunier I thought about cross-posting it to [https://physics.stackexchange.com](https://physics.stackexchange.com) a week or two after posting the question on MO, but was afraid people would not like the idea. I'm really happy to know you also thought of this! I think I'll wait a couple weeks then (or at least a week after the question has reached inactivity), and after this open a post on the physics SE meta asking if it would be okay to crosspost it there." CreationDate="2024-02-12T18:26:28.920" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29617" PostId="5856" Score="1" Text="@ClaudeChaunier I also hadn't thought about cross-posting to [https://cstheory.stackexchange.com](https://cstheory.stackexchange.com); that's a really great idea! I think there are probably even more SEs for which cross-posting would be a good idea, like e.g. [https://linguistics.stackexchange.com](https://linguistics.stackexchange.com) for the IPA part of the font. Thank you so much for the suggestion, Claude!" CreationDate="2024-02-12T18:27:26.457" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29532" PostId="5857" Score="1" Text="Probably it is worth checking out the suggestions provided in previous discussions on this topic - you can easily find several such posts.&#xA;On [math.meta.se]: [How do I know I won't lose all my work in math.SE?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9148) (and other [questions linked there](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/9148)).&#xA;On [meta.se]: [Dump of my own Stack Exchange content](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/269804) (and [other questions linked there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/269804))," CreationDate="2024-01-28T17:50:07.980" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29539" PostId="5857" Score="0" Text="It is much easier to use SEDE for this - but since you mention editing, you don't have to edit the post to get to the source; you can get it through the [revision history](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/tags/revision-history/info), too. (So it would not be necessary to undelete and delete a question only to get to the source.)" CreationDate="2024-01-29T05:50:04.603" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29536" PostId="5858" Score="0" Text="Probably it is worth mentioning that SEDE query returns [at most 50000 results](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/269063). But even most prolific users have much less [posts](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1580473/users-with-most-posts-questions-answers) and [comments](https://data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/1798655/users-with-most-comments). So this isn't really a problem here on MO." CreationDate="2024-01-29T04:37:51.870" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29537" PostId="5858" Score="0" Text="On [so] there is [one user](https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1580473/users-with-most-posts-questions-answers) over 50k posts and [several users](https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1798655/users-with-most-comments) over 50k comments - such users would have to download their contributions from SEDE in several parts." CreationDate="2024-01-29T04:38:09.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29538" PostId="5858" Score="1" Text="And since in the question you have mentioned deleted posts too, probably it is worth explicitly pointing out that deleted posts aren't available in SEDE. (There is a table PostsWithDeleted, but it contains only some data for deleted posts, body isn't one of them.)" CreationDate="2024-01-29T05:48:16.323" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29571" PostId="5860" Score="2" Text="Thank you so much for the feedback, Willie! I plan to create both a GitHub repository for the font as well a site for it (hosted on GitHub Pages). The only thing I'm afraid of if I were to exclusively choose this is that I fear not many mathematicians are used to opening issues on GitHub, as well as that I would probably not reach as wide an audience than if I additionally asked also on MO. I was hoping to hear mathematicians who are both knowledgeable about LaTeX, fonts, GitHub, etc. and those that are not so much, as I feel there will probably be great suggestions from both groups" CreationDate="2024-02-02T00:07:49.587" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29578" PostId="5860" Score="0" Text="(P.S. I'm also super happy to hear you liked the idea! =)" CreationDate="2024-02-02T00:12:01.983" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29546" PostId="5861" Score="1" Text="Perhaps the tag ([meta-tag:on-topic]) would be suitble here. And maybe ([meta-tag:close-reasons]) and ([meta-tag:policy])?" CreationDate="2024-01-30T15:44:18.453" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29547" PostId="5861" Score="6" Text="In case it is interesting for some people around here, there is this discussion on [math.meta.se]: [Users using Math Stack Exchange as a de facto blog](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/21718). (Of course, we should keep in mind that the two communities are rather different.)" CreationDate="2024-01-30T15:45:25.673" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29549" PostId="5861" Score="6" Text="+1 because I agree with you that MO should not be used this way. And, I think the question is good and on-topic for meta." CreationDate="2024-01-31T01:18:07.850" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="29560" PostId="5861" Score="5" Text="My view is that there is no need for any formal policy or new reason to close a question. I agree that your four example behaviors are undesirable, but if someone is a first-time offender, then it probably betrays a lack of experience rather than anything else, and one can hope that gentle advice in the comments can correct it. If someone ignores the advice and persists in the behavior, then I'm not sure that the problem will be solved by inventing new rules for closing posts and aggressively enforcing said rules. Too much policing can also cause the MO ethos to deteriorate." CreationDate="2024-01-31T21:42:54.133" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="29563" PostId="5861" Score="0" Text="Are these questions/answers well received? Why don't they get simply downvoted into oblivion if they are of bad quality?" CreationDate="2024-01-31T23:38:54.173" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="29564" PostId="5861" Score="2" Text="My understanding is that the number of reasons to close a question is limited, and I don't think this is worth getting rid of any of the existing ones." CreationDate="2024-02-01T01:00:47.910" UserId="18060" />
  <row Id="29570" PostId="5861" Score="2" Text="In practice these questions are quickly closed, aren't they? Is there a need to formalize this?" CreationDate="2024-02-01T22:25:47.260" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29588" PostId="5861" Score="1" Text="@Nemo Do you have an example of that happening?" CreationDate="2024-02-04T01:44:37.590" UserId="127690" />
  <row Id="29595" PostId="5861" Score="3" Text="I am certainly guilty of 4. It happens quite often that I seem to be stuck somewhere, then I force myself to turn this into a precise question and afterwards an idea appears. I think this is more common and maybe not even a bad thing." CreationDate="2024-02-06T10:37:22.387" UserId="3969" />
  <row Id="29554" PostId="5862" Score="1" Text="A related question on [tex.se]: [How do you produce sign for set multiplication (from old math book) in LaTeX?](https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/132251). But I don't  think  `\varprod` is available in MathJax. (At least in the version currently available on MO and SE.) Neither is `\operatornamewithlimits`." CreationDate="2024-01-31T05:07:40.047" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29557" PostId="5862" Score="4" Text="In this instance,  I think the notation is overkill. The expression $[0,2]^{k-3}$ describes the same product. But the point remains for other cases where it might actually be needed, say if the intervals were of the form $[0,2i]$." CreationDate="2024-01-31T10:41:29.403" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29561" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="Does `\raisebox` work here? … After experimentation, now edited out, no.  Well, if it did, then `\raisebox{-experimentally determined amount}` might be the easiest solution.  But it doesn't. `\bigtimes` also doesn't work." CreationDate="2024-01-31T22:58:52.497" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29562" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="By the way, I know some on the MathJax team read MMO, at least for bug reports, so maybe they'll make their feelings known on this issue (how to do it or why it isn't feasible—or maybe, as I often find with my questions, that it could be done if MO would upgrade its MathJax!)." CreationDate="2024-01-31T23:03:03.897" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29565" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="@LSpice This is not a *bug report* or an *issue* with MathJax. In real LaTeX, `\Huge` cannot be used inside a math formula in the first place (so this is a convenience feature of MathJax), but if you replace it with the correct `\hbox{\Huge$\times$}`, it will behave exactly as seen here: even if wrapped in `\mathop`, it will be set too high, unless you use `\vcenter` to correct it." CreationDate="2024-02-01T09:09:34.777" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29566" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5862/a-mathjax-latex-question?noredirect=1#comment29565_5862), I meant the absence of `\varprod` [pointed out](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5862/a-mathjax-latex-question#comment29554_5862) by @‍MartinSleziak (which is also not a bug report, but may be something that MathJax developers are willing to act on—by &quot;at least for bug reports&quot; I didn't mean &quot;this is a bug report&quot;, but rather that, while they weren't necessarily here for this, they might act on it anyway)." CreationDate="2024-02-01T12:13:59.920" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29567" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see. Well, MathJax lacks the txfonts additions as a whole." CreationDate="2024-02-01T12:32:38.243" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="29569" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/29567), sure; I assume that which packages are included is based at least partially on frequency of use, and I assumed that what people on MO would use is a helpful guide to that.  But I don't pretend to have any insight into the MathJax development process, so maybe I'm wrong.  More to the point, thank you for your guidance in your [comment](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/29565) and [answer](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5863); I learned something new!" CreationDate="2024-02-01T14:22:20.517" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="29579" PostId="5864" Score="4" Text="I like the way the question is phrased here! (Especially since it brought to mind a few things that I would have liked to have, things like additional variable size delimiters like doubled parentheses `((...))` and doubled brackets `[[...]]` and doubled angle brackets `&lt;&lt; ... &gt;&gt;`.)" CreationDate="2024-02-02T02:31:00.500" UserId="3948" />
  <row Id="29580" PostId="5864" Score="1" Text="@WillieWong I'm very happy to know that! =) (I also share your pain! I remember having to put together a super messy macro some time ago for `((...))` and `[[...]]` to use with (what should have been) simple things like $\mathbb{F}_{p}((t))$, Laurent series fields, etc.; these sucked so much!)" CreationDate="2024-02-02T08:13:35.840" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29582" PostId="5864" Score="2" Text="What's the format of the font that you are developing? Is it going to be an OpenType font, similar to NewCM (https://ctan.org/pkg/newcomputermodern?lang=en), or a more conventional format, as arxiv doesn't support lualatex or xelatex as of now?" CreationDate="2024-02-03T10:13:07.477" UserId="516900" />
  <row Id="29583" PostId="5864" Score="2" Text="The reason I mentioned NewCM is that it seems to me the project is similar to what you are developing, with a very large coverage of glyphs." CreationDate="2024-02-03T10:39:23.407" UserId="516900" />
  <row Id="29584" PostId="5864" Score="1" Text="@ApoorvPotnis I'm planning to implement both the text font and the math font as a LaTeX package, so that it could be easily used with just `\usepackage{darwin}` and would work also in pdflatex for the arXiv. The text part of the font is also going to be released as OTF and TTF fonts, and I might eventually also make an OpenType version of the math font, after everything is done." CreationDate="2024-02-03T19:25:53.233" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29585" PostId="5864" Score="2" Text="@ApoorvPotnis NewCM looks really nice! I think once it has more optical sizes it would also fill the same &quot;font gap&quot; as Elemaints and Darwin are hoping to fill." CreationDate="2024-02-03T19:25:57.917" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29586" PostId="5864" Score="1" Text="At the cost of increased workload, can you also consider creating a bold math font? Normal math combined with bold text in section and chapter headers doesn't look great, imo." CreationDate="2024-02-03T20:02:39.770" UserId="516900" />
  <row Id="29587" PostId="5864" Score="1" Text="@ApoorvPotnis Yep, thanks for the suggestion! I'm also planning to create optical sizes for math, so there will be extra fonts optimised specifically for footnotes, headers, and very large sizes, like book covers, with adjustments like [these](https://fonts.google.com/knowledge/glossary/optical_sizes)." CreationDate="2024-02-03T21:06:19.320" UserId="130058" />
  <row Id="29678" PostId="5864" Score="0" Text="@WillieWong I think one should also include `{{...}}`among these." CreationDate="2024-02-23T17:08:01.633" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="29589" PostId="5865" Score="9" Text="+1 for &quot;If these questions are well received by the rest of the community, consider the possibility that there is something wrong in your assessment.&quot;" CreationDate="2024-02-04T19:07:28.680" UserId="10898" />
  <row Id="29590" PostId="5865" Score="1" Text="Hi Federico; I agree with the majority of your suggestions here. As to your last point highlighted by @StanleyYaoXiao they aren’t well-received; there was a post made yesterday that’s currently sitting at -5 with no upvotes, but with only one close vote (not mine). The user just sort of ignores it and keeps on posting usually, although today has been pleasantly devoid of additional posts." CreationDate="2024-02-05T03:38:09.620" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="29591" PostId="5865" Score="2" Text="@AlecRhea if a user is regularly getting their questions downvoted to -5, the stackexchange system will hand them first a question rate-limit, then a question ban in fairly short order." CreationDate="2024-02-05T21:51:14.343" UserId="115670" />
  <row Id="29594" PostId="5865" Score="1" Text="@mbrig They aren’t routinely that poorly received, although they are typically negative in total score and occasionally closed by the community; as of yet no automated punishment seems to have been meted out." CreationDate="2024-02-06T09:19:00.740" UserId="92164" />
  <row Id="29596" PostId="5865" Score="1" Text="This might be a different perspective from yours, but &quot;negative in total score and occasionally closed by the community&quot; definitely means &quot;poorly received&quot;, in my view." CreationDate="2024-02-06T10:39:56.477" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="29599" PostId="5865" Score="5" Text="@FedericoPoloni: I don’t think Alec is suggesting they aren’t poorly received — they’re just not poorly received *enough* to receive the automated pushback that mbrig describes." CreationDate="2024-02-07T19:10:41.100" UserId="2273" />
  <row Id="29602" PostId="5869" Score="5" Text="Have you checked that pages 141-147 of said book actually do not answer the question (in particular, as none of the regular MO users had flagged the answer so far, and as in your profile I do not see an indication that you are a mathematician)? -- The question owner has accepted the answer, and this happened 24 days after thanking the answerer in a comment. So, it seems to have happened not without taking some time to check. If you insist that the answer is spam (which is possible), then a bit more explanation is needed. Otherwise, the benefit of the doubt is with the poster of the answer." CreationDate="2024-02-08T18:57:48.370" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="29603" PostId="5869" Score="3" Text="@StefanKohl I can't verify whether it answers the question or not because the answer contains no information whatsoever other than &quot;go read my $140 book&quot;." CreationDate="2024-02-08T19:43:41.290" UserId="99068" />
  <row Id="29604" PostId="5869" Score="0" Text="It seems to me that the only ones who can answer your question, EJo, are the moderators, so I would recommend contacting them directly instead of posting here." CreationDate="2024-02-08T20:44:03.440" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="29605" PostId="5869" Score="4" Text="I think a &quot;see this refrence&quot; answers are not high-quality even when they aren't self-citations, and pointing to a book, no link, not available otherwise on the internet is the least-useful version of this. That it is the author's own is merely the bow on top. (I didn't decline the flag)" CreationDate="2024-02-08T20:44:27.687" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29606" PostId="5869" Score="3" Text="Looking at the book, equations (2.263) and (2.264) and the subsequent comment look to me (a non-expert) like what the OP of the question on main was asking for. And I am in the fortunate situation that I can get the book from the library, which I what I presume the OP on main did." CreationDate="2024-02-08T20:49:35.880" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29607" PostId="5869" Score="8" Text="Given that the username of the answerer matches exactly with an author of the book, and this is clear at a glance, this is not an undisclosed promotion. I personally would like it if people said things like &quot;see my book&quot;, rather than &quot;see the book&quot;, but this is a culturally-dependent idiom—it might not be acceptable for some to explicitly pronounce their own work so obviously." CreationDate="2024-02-08T20:52:56.373" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29608" PostId="5869" Score="10" Text="I think that references to the literature are perfectly good answers, and should be encouraged.  It doesn't matter if the OP wrote the book/paper as long as it answers the question.  If something has a short and snappy explanation it's good to give it, but for more complicated things a reference is often the most useful thing since it will presumably contain a lot of related material as well." CreationDate="2024-02-09T02:08:44.530" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="29609" PostId="5869" Score="8" Text="(I also resist the idea that one should restrict one's self to references that are available on the internet.  If it's available online that's helpful, but often times the clearest explanations are only available in the library.)" CreationDate="2024-02-09T02:14:13.580" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="29618" PostId="5869" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Disclosure in a username or in a user's profile should not be sufficient, because those can be changed at any moment without bumping the answer." CreationDate="2024-02-12T21:45:09.560" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="29619" PostId="5869" Score="2" Text="I agree with everyone saying that this is not the best answer (because it is just a reference with no further information), but it is clearly not spam and flagging it as such is an inappropriate use of the flagging tools." CreationDate="2024-02-12T22:29:57.123" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="29620" PostId="5869" Score="0" Text="@FedericoPoloni sure, as a long-term thing, but I'm assuming good-faith here, and that the user name is actually the real name of the person who posted it, etc. Let's just say this is miles away from an example I saw yesterday where someone posted a ChatGPT paragraph void of real content, ended with a smiley emoji, and hyperlinked that smiley to some random website with a suspicious url. A professor new to the site helpfully pointing someone to their book and giving specific pages to look at is not a sin, and if said professor returns, maybe we can gently nudge for more info next time :-)" CreationDate="2024-02-12T23:02:24.350" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29621" PostId="5869" Score="1" Text="@Andy oh, I agree. But in this case, the book was available on SpringerLink and had a doi. For those that know about such things, it's polite to supply the link. Or if one knows it's not available electronically, this can be mentioned, to save people time hunting around for it. The more information that helps downstream users find the resource with the least friction is my policy, and we as a community can supply it when lacking; but it's nicer when users put in the effort themselves, if they have time." CreationDate="2024-02-12T23:04:41.503" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29610" PostId="5871" Score="2" Text="Test of `$\#$` $\#$. (Just testing for my own satisfaction in a comment)" CreationDate="2024-02-09T23:33:44.673" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29611" PostId="5871" Score="6" Text="There are several bug reports which seem to be related to handling backslash in the preview. For example: [MathJax processing issue - Strange behavior in the editor of &quot;\:&quot; in a formula](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/386776), [Preview failing to parse double backslash in large matrices?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4448), [Braces are not rendered in MathJax in the preview of a question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5163) and [Escaped braces do not render in post preview](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31124)." CreationDate="2024-02-10T05:23:19.720" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29615" PostId="5872" Score="0" Text="Did you put here a different link than you intended? You wrote: &quot;I'll link to a Meta StackExchange post&quot; - but this is actually followed by a link to the help center rather than a link to a post. (And the same content is [in the MathOverflow help center](https://mathoverflow.net/help/promotion).)" CreationDate="2024-02-12T14:28:46.430" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29623" PostId="5875" Score="2" Text="Is this basically the same question as: [Braces are not rendered in MathJax in the preview of a question](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/5163) and [Escaped braces do not render in post preview](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31124)? (The second one is on [math.meta.se].)" CreationDate="2024-02-14T14:46:14.047" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29625" PostId="5875" Score="0" Text="Thank you @MartinSleziak for the chat that you sent me, encouraging me to un-delete this question. I just did that. (I wasn't able to reply to your chat post, so I write here.)" CreationDate="2024-02-15T15:21:07.573" UserId="8628" />
  <row Id="29626" PostId="5875" Score="1" Text="As I [mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2024/2/15), this problem seems to be here for a long time, so a new bug report might be useful - as a reminder; despite the fact that there are similar older posts.&#xA;In the meantime I found also this post on [meta.se]: [MathJax escape sequences don't work](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/387653). The poster of that question says that for them everything worked find in Edge - for me, the bug manifests both in Google Chrome and in Microsoft Edge." CreationDate="2024-02-15T15:38:10.830" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29627" PostId="5877" Score="1" Text="Can I ask a silly question: does your friend have an MO account with a nontrivial amount of reputation?" CreationDate="2024-02-16T11:43:26.720" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29628" PostId="5877" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts: Sorry for my ignorance, but what is considered a 'nontrivial amount of reputation' here?" CreationDate="2024-02-16T11:50:08.320" UserId="94729" />
  <row Id="29629" PostId="5877" Score="2" Text="If you look at your [reputation tab](https://mathoverflow.net/users/94729/emmanuel-jos%c3%a9-garc%c3%ada?tab=reputation), you can see two events for today: upvote +10, and unupvote -10. Maybe the changes are not shown in the [achievements dropdown](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/achievements-dialog/info) simply because they cancel each other out?" CreationDate="2024-02-16T12:31:38.820" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29630" PostId="5877" Score="1" Text="Some posts which seem related: &#xA;[Why do reputation drops not highlight the Achievements icon?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/219652), &#xA;[Display lost/negative reputation in topbar achievements](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/208900),&#xA;[Please consider displaying reputation decreases in the Achievements trophy icon](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/350358), etc." CreationDate="2024-02-16T12:35:45.637" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29631" PostId="5877" Score="0" Text="I mean at least 15 rep." CreationDate="2024-02-16T13:44:55.037" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29634" PostId="5877" Score="4" Text="Just to clarify why @DavidRoberts is asking about reputation - users below 15 reputation points [actually cannot cast upvotes](https://mathoverflow.net/help/privileges/vote-up)." CreationDate="2024-02-16T23:23:37.953" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29632" PostId="5878" Score="0" Text="From what I see, it has been 11 hours since the upvote and downvote were given. Is there any way to see the exact time of the upvote and downvote?" CreationDate="2024-02-16T13:57:55.997" UserId="94729" />
  <row Id="29633" PostId="5878" Score="3" Text="@EmmanuelJoséGarcía The same as with many other timestamps here on MO (and on other SE sites) - if you hover over the timestamp, the exact time is shown in the tooltip." CreationDate="2024-02-16T14:08:10.600" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="29692" PostId="5883" Score="1" Text="I worked so very hard to post these questions, spent hours and hours just to see it closed in a minute. I've tries multiple years to be a part of the community and no success." CreationDate="2024-02-24T12:14:45.917" UserId="522605" />
  <row Id="29694" PostId="5883" Score="8" Text="Go not to GPT for wisdom, for it will say both yes and no, just to sound either agreeable, or pretend to sound knowledgeable. Respectfully, posting a random sequence, or some simple formula with a cube root in it, does not qualify as a question that is considered &quot;research level&quot; in MO terminology. If it helps, &quot;research level&quot; means roughly PhD and above. Mathematics that uses only techniques or deals with problems that an undergraduate maths degree covers is almost always not considered on-topic." CreationDate="2024-02-24T12:40:30.077" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="29696" PostId="5883" Score="6" Text="I have a lot of trouble believing that you spent hours and hours honing a question into the form &quot;-cube root(1/3)x = ?&#xA;&#xA;its a theory can you help?&quot;" CreationDate="2024-02-24T14:55:49.557" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="29697" PostId="5883" Score="3" Text="And like David Roberts said: ChatGPT doesn't know what it is talking about." CreationDate="2024-02-24T14:59:07.043" UserId="2926" />
  <row Id="30695" PostId="5884" Score="1" Text="its more of a method, using different number systems than real numbers, not much of a question, just wondering if its been used before to solve questions of values. maybe i can explain. im not smart as you. its for use in a three dimentional mathmatics, not normal calculus stuff, like i made it up" CreationDate="2024-02-26T14:19:36.017" UserId="522605" />
  <row Id="30696" PostId="5884" Score="1" Text="im trying to step of the level by simplyfying the language. i dont mean to harm anything, the graph is circlular and reference point are in vectors with magnitude direction and etc. but also a time dealing with origins" CreationDate="2024-02-26T14:21:54.263" UserId="522605" />
  <row Id="30697" PostId="5884" Score="1" Text="if there is a way i can discuss, as i have questions. possibly just the beginning" CreationDate="2024-02-26T14:22:25.510" UserId="522605" />
  <row Id="30698" PostId="5884" Score="1" Text="im looking at how the negative sign is cancelled when you add, i am talking of keeping this numbers as place holders. it works. eventually a possibility arised when you multiply them given a more accurate representation as well. using three unknowns, and two combined theories, i want to name it" CreationDate="2024-02-26T14:24:43.063" UserId="522605" />
  <row Id="30699" PostId="5884" Score="1" Text="kind of how long division works, with the remainder. keeping the remainder, but allowing it to be a representation of the whole, as you disect the remainder i believe is scalar" CreationDate="2024-02-26T14:26:27.883" UserId="522605" />
  <row Id="30700" PostId="5884" Score="1" Text="thanks for your answer and thank you also to the comments" CreationDate="2024-02-26T14:26:45.400" UserId="522605" />
  <row Id="30703" PostId="5884" Score="8" Text="@matt I can only say this: despite not wanting to discourage your mathematical exploration, MathOverflow is absolutely not the forum to do it in. Please take this professional advice seriously. I hope you can find another outlet for your explorations." CreationDate="2024-02-26T23:01:16.100" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="30704" PostId="5887" Score="4" Text="Perhaps it is suspected to be of chat-gpt origin. I don't have the expertise to justify having an opinion on the matter, it just reads gpt-ish to me." CreationDate="2024-02-27T02:55:21.137" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="30705" PostId="5887" Score="10" Text="@GerryMyerson I am a functional analyst, Michael Frank is a known researcher on Hilbert modules ( https://www.imn.htwk-leipzig.de/~mfrank/hilmod.html ), and that answer contains several correct statements that relate to the first comment on the original post." CreationDate="2024-02-27T04:12:46.163" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="30706" PostId="5887" Score="1" Text="Ah. My apologies to Michael Frank." CreationDate="2024-02-27T05:02:30.830" UserId="3684" />
  <row Id="30740" PostId="5887" Score="4" Text="I've added a line to that answer to clarify that it is an extended comment. Without this line I perfectly understand that it was misread as a IA-answer (although I hadn't flagged it)." CreationDate="2024-03-04T08:11:45.820" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="30707" PostId="5888" Score="13" Text="Given the circumstances, you might think about sending a personal email to the author of the post explaining the situation and apologizing.  From what Yemon Choi said, it sounds like they are exactly the kind of user we want to attract and not drive away." CreationDate="2024-02-27T12:21:02.210" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="30708" PostId="5888" Score="14" Text="@AndyPutman Done." CreationDate="2024-02-27T14:24:37.483" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="30709" PostId="5888" Score="8" Text="In Stefan's defense, accounts posting AI-generated semi-nonsense seem to have sprung up like mushrooms lately (if a non-moderator can already notice...)." CreationDate="2024-02-27T15:08:24.333" UserId="48839" />
  <row Id="30710" PostId="5888" Score="12" Text="Thanks for the transparency here. If anything, the fact that the prevalence of AI junk answers sometimes leads to moderators deleting good, human answers is just another annoying facet of the rise of this AI junk." CreationDate="2024-02-27T22:29:32.197" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="30711" PostId="5888" Score="6" Text="Thanks Stefan for the prompt and open response. Hopefully all's well that ends well." CreationDate="2024-02-27T23:22:06.750" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="30743" PostId="5888" Score="2" Text="@YemonChoi: I was the one who has raised the NaN flag, simply because the post under discussion does *not even attempt* to answer the question. It is only a long comment to a side discussion. It seems intended to answer the question that Matthew Daws' has raised in his comments about what &quot;finitely generated&quot; means. Upvoting the post under discussion (12 upvotes!) just to apologize to its author for the previous deletion is a wrong way to use the voting mechanism: Michael Frank's non-answer now has a bigger score than the accepted answer itself (7), which is ridiculous." CreationDate="2024-03-05T07:54:07.090" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="30744" PostId="5888" Score="1" Text="And thank you, Stefan Kohl, for complimenting the &quot;usual helpfulness&quot; of my flags!" CreationDate="2024-03-05T07:54:34.277" UserId="54780" />
  <row Id="30746" PostId="5888" Score="1" Text="I disagree that Michael Frank's post is not an answer. The question asker themselves pointed out that they were confused about or didn't know the precise terminology that went into the result they were interested in. So clarification about this terminology qualifies as at least a partial answer in my view. I do not believe a post has to completely and definitively answer a question to qualify as an answer." CreationDate="2024-03-06T01:56:38.887" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="30715" PostId="5890" Score="11" Text="This seems pettifogging to me." CreationDate="2024-03-02T00:03:35.417" UserId="763" />
  <row Id="30716" PostId="5890" Score="3" Text="It is certainly not a high priority, but, if not in a community of mathematicians, then where else should one care for using good notation to maintain subtle but meaningful distinctions?" CreationDate="2024-03-02T04:57:56.900" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="30717" PostId="5890" Score="7" Text="This has been suggested a few times in the past, and either declined or ignored by the devs: see e.g. https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/124216/replace-hyphen-in-front-of-scores-reputation-by-minus , https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/364274/vote-count-minus-signs-not-readable-in-segoe-ui ." CreationDate="2024-03-02T09:17:28.137" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="30718" PostId="5890" Score="3" Text="Btw, up and down arrows cannot be customized any longer. The devs are trying hard to get rid of as many exceptions as they can." CreationDate="2024-03-02T09:20:36.803" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="30719" PostId="5890" Score="3" Text="@EmilJeřábek, thank you for [this](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/30717) and [that](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/posts/comments/30718) information. (I would be fine with closing as duplicate, except that my understanding is that we don't do cross-site duplicate closures.) Of course the point of democratic voting is to discover what people think, not to argue with it, but I'm surprised that a notational proposal that at various times has gathered 37 − 5 and 26 − 3 upvotes on the general SE network should be currently so poorly received here. Nonetheless, I guess it is moot!" CreationDate="2024-03-02T14:35:38.677" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="30749" PostId="5890" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek The agreement between MO and SE states that the MO team can customize the look and feel of the site with additional Javascript, as long as the MO team maintains it (point 4 [here](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4430/1898)). This change seems simple enough to do with Javascript, even if the SE developers don't want to implement anything." CreationDate="2024-03-06T22:30:51.990" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="30751" PostId="5890" Score="1" Text="@FedericoPoloni If it’s really that simple, go for it. I know nothing about the capabilitites of Javascript." CreationDate="2024-03-07T08:34:39.643" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="30752" PostId="5890" Score="2" Text="@EmilJeřábek I am not particularly interested in this change myself, or strongly supporting it; I was just pointing out that it is well within the realm of possibility." CreationDate="2024-03-07T10:03:38.830" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="30745" PostId="5893" Score="5" Text="This is a MathJax bug.  It will be fixed in v4, but StackExchange is still using v2.7.5 (current version 2 is v2.7.9), so won't benefit from that.  As for Chrome, it looks like the sigma is not being scaled as it should.  Perhaps there is a Chrome preference setting that is interfering with font scaling?" CreationDate="2024-03-05T13:48:35.357" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="30747" PostId="5893" Score="2" Text="@DavideCervone, [re](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5893/why-doesnt-the-prime-in-sum-n-sit-flush-against-the-summation-symbol#comment30745_5893), thanks!  I know you have brought up this issue of the outdated MathJax version often, and, of course, it's impossible for bug fixes to have any effect if the version is frozen.  Who, if anyone, can make the decision to upgrade MO's MathJax instance?" CreationDate="2024-03-06T02:53:13.363" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="30748" PostId="5893" Score="2" Text="I don't know who decides these things.  My previous contacts at SE are no longer there, so I don't have anyone to recommend contacting.  I'm not sure what the best route is for that." CreationDate="2024-03-06T13:02:08.830" UserId="38515" />
  <row Id="30754" PostId="5893" Score="2" Text="@LSpice I will just point out that these posts are marked as (status-review): [Are there plans to switch to the current version of MathJax?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/385913) and [MathJax out of date](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/35316)." CreationDate="2024-03-08T04:46:07.593" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="30753" PostId="5894" Score="6" Text="A userscript for this purpose has been written up by user3840170 in an [answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/362147) on Meta SE." CreationDate="2024-03-07T21:05:23.100" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="30757" PostId="5896" Score="2" Text="Related Stack Overflow blog post: [Defining socially responsible AI: How we select partners](https://stackoverflow.blog/2024/02/29/defining-socially-responsible-ai-how-we-select-api-partners)" CreationDate="2024-03-12T20:16:52.750" UserId="183188" />
  <row Id="30758" PostId="5896" Score="12" Text="These are good questions. Is there any way we can get an official representative from Stack Exchange to answer them?" CreationDate="2024-03-12T21:13:29.917" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="30759" PostId="5896" Score="4" Text="Stack Exchange Inc has been thirsting to get into the AI space for a while now. Their own attempts at using AI have been...not wildly successful. Selling the human-curated data with its community-generated quality signals is the next best thing, I guess." CreationDate="2024-03-12T22:38:07.267" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="30762" PostId="5896" Score="20" Text="SE publishes a quarterly data dump, so I suspect that *everyone* is already using their data to train AIs, exactly like they're using other copyrighted content all over the internet." CreationDate="2024-03-13T07:57:25.757" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="30769" PostId="5896" Score="6" Text="@FedericoPoloni For what it's worth, they did stop doing this last summer (see [this answer and the question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389922/june-2023-data-dump-is-missing/390040#390040)) and started again, very likely under the heavy pressures from users and admins of the network." CreationDate="2024-03-13T13:13:06.177" UserId="138089" />
  <row Id="30770" PostId="5896" Score="8" Text="Is one of the mathoverflow overlords Anton Geraschenko still affiliated with google?: https://research.google/people/anton-geraschenko/" CreationDate="2024-03-13T16:53:12.153" UserId="12481" />
  <row Id="30779" PostId="5896" Score="11" Text="Here's a basic question: Is SE getting any money from Google? If so, is MO seeing any of that money?" CreationDate="2024-03-24T14:17:31.607" UserId="3106" />
  <row Id="30766" PostId="5897" Score="9" Text="I guess it depends on whether the answer is likely to be an MO answer, or another full paper, in your best guess. If an open question is reasonably estimated to requires months of research and 20 pages of typed maths to answer, it's not really an MO question. It might be that the question seems reasonable, and should have a fairly quick answer, but then turns out to be harder than first thought; in that case no one can fault the asker." CreationDate="2024-03-13T12:45:35.220" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="30767" PostId="5897" Score="3" Text="Well counterexamples or references are somewhat easier to write down then proofs. But this is true for any question asked. My point was more that this touches the self-promotion part." CreationDate="2024-03-13T13:01:24.957" UserId="3969" />
  <row Id="30768" PostId="5897" Score="21" Text="I think it's 100% fine to post a question from your paper (at least, if the question is otherwise appropriate for MO)." CreationDate="2024-03-13T13:13:01.753" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="30787" PostId="5897" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts &quot;*If an open question is reasonably estimated to require months of research and 20 pages of typed maths to answer, it's not really an MO question*&quot; How can you possibly determine that until you have solved the problem?" CreationDate="2024-03-27T02:17:35.350" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="30788" PostId="5897" Score="0" Text="@fedja I mean a good-faith estimation. If I asked something that I knew would amount to a full research paper, then I'm really not asking a good question. I can't ask a colleague in the tea room to supply a quick answer to a question when I think it's going to really need a six-month collaboration. But if I was after some small (as I thought) step that would go into the longer project, but which turned out to be a hard question, then that was at least reasonable to ask." CreationDate="2024-03-27T02:50:24.300" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="30789" PostId="5897" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts I'm not convinced. I hate self-promotion, but isn't https://mathoverflow.net/questions/461631 a counterexample to your first claim? It generated quite a lively discussion with a few good people participating and sort of happy ending in less than a month, and I see no reason why that experience cannot be repeated. :-) But I sort of see what you mean. I just claim that &quot;good-faith estimation&quot; is utterly unreliable in both directions..." CreationDate="2024-03-27T02:59:44.430" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="30790" PostId="5897" Score="0" Text="@fedja it's subjective of course. That question is not what I meant. I mean more like the type of question that will generate a 50 page paper in arithmetic geometry, not a fun question about elementary objects that is nontrivial, but not to the point of months of deep collaboration. I totally think the question you linked is a great example of the use of MO. I'm just trying to put my finger on what is clearly not good for MO, and happy to err on the side of generosity." CreationDate="2024-03-27T03:04:28.057" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="30771" PostId="5898" Score="6" Text="You can use the Wayback machine to figure out where the link used to be pointing, then when you find the relevant source, add an updated link." CreationDate="2024-03-13T17:09:19.650" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="30772" PostId="5898" Score="0" Text="I think this site would be considerably impoverished if people couldn't link, and it's hard to know how the site could automatically repair invalid links.  So it's hard for me to see what action this question is suggesting.  (In tems of &quot;please be aware of this issue&quot;, as @MartinSleziak [points out](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/5899), I think most of the MMO audience probably already is.)" CreationDate="2024-03-18T19:48:24.863" UserId="2383" />
  <row Id="30776" PostId="5898" Score="0" Text="Something I've begun doing the past few months (but not recently enough for any of my &quot;recent&quot; mathoverflow answers) is to save the page at the [Internet Archive](https://web.archive.org/), and then use the archived URL (unless a Stack Exchange link, or Wikipedia link, or something else unlikely to go dead in the foreseeable future). Most recently I did this for a link I gave following “Example 3: Evaluate a Mixed Composition of Trig Functions” in [this MSE answer](https://math.stackexchange.com/a/4884862/13130). (@Martin Sleziak: In case interested.)" CreationDate="2024-03-23T18:42:44.243" UserId="15780" />
  <row Id="30777" PostId="5898" Score="2" Text="@DaveLRenfro Your comment reminded me of this old post on [math.meta.se]: [Should we try to prevent link rot?](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/20764)" CreationDate="2024-03-24T10:25:04.237" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="30778" PostId="5898" Score="0" Text="@Martin Sleziak: It appears I saw your old post at that time, as I have a comment to an answer there. It's strange, but while reading my comment (there) just now, I recall writing it, but I would have guessed I wrote it 2 or 3 years ago, not nearly 9 years ago." CreationDate="2024-03-24T10:38:08.560" UserId="15780" />
  <row Id="30774" PostId="5900" Score="1" Text="The news about Bergeron came as a shock and it is always deeply saddening to hear of a young person's passing." CreationDate="2024-03-20T03:20:40.907" UserId="38624" />
  <row Id="30775" PostId="5901" Score="3" Text="[Here's a link to an interview](https://michel.talagrand.net/Talagrand.pdf) of Talagrand in 2019 in Gazette de la SMF (in French). Here's also [Talagrand's web page](https://michel.talagrand.net/), including some open problems." CreationDate="2024-03-21T09:03:00.973" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="30780" PostId="5901" Score="1" Text="Even if Michel adds his Abel Prize money to what he offers for solutions his problems, the amount will pale in comparison to the difficulty of his problems." CreationDate="2024-03-25T18:45:01.187" UserId="2554" />
  <row Id="30781" PostId="5902" Score="3" Text="This could also go on the &quot;success stories&quot; thread" CreationDate="2024-03-25T21:18:26.747" UserId="11540" />
  <row Id="30782" PostId="5903" Score="3" Text="As [mentioned in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2024/3/26), the tags (ordered-rings) and (ordered-semirings) were previously created [in August 2022](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/10243/2022/8/21). Since no other question used any of those tags for a long time and the tag-info was empty, they were eventually removed [by the tag-pruning script](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/tag-pruning/info)." CreationDate="2024-03-26T17:16:16.373" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="30783" PostId="5904" Score="5" Text="The up/down votes already let you say what you think of an answer. Personally, I don't see why it's a big deal if an answer gets accepted." CreationDate="2024-03-26T20:47:26.477" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="30784" PostId="5904" Score="2" Text="@SamHopkins I don't think it is simply about accepting or not an answer, but about having confidence in the answer's accuracy." CreationDate="2024-03-27T01:05:52.773" UserId="6085" />
  <row Id="30785" PostId="5904" Score="11" Text="@AndrésE.Caicedo I see. Well, I think that &quot;I checked this argument and it make sense&quot;-type comments under answers are fine, in the right circumstances (e.g. when the argument is long, involved, or surprising), but I don't think we need a whole separate system for them." CreationDate="2024-03-27T01:09:05.877" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="30786" PostId="5904" Score="2" Text="I've even seen comments to the effect of &quot;wow, this is a genuinely new idea!&quot; posted under an answer: check out for instance the accepted answer of https://mathoverflow.net/questions/253059" CreationDate="2024-03-27T01:10:30.960" UserId="25028" />
  <row Id="30791" PostId="5904" Score="14" Text="I don’t think you should trust a published paper without personally understanding it, much less a short post on a website.  Adding a thin veneer of “peer review” to MO would be bad in the sense that it would encourage people to be overly trusting of it.  If you need something here for a paper or something, do your due diligence!" CreationDate="2024-03-27T11:11:46.603" UserId="317" />
  <row Id="30792" PostId="5904" Score="6" Text="@AndyPutman Perhaps you verify all the main proofs in the area you are working on, but in other areas one sometimes reads a survey of results (with some illustrative proofs) that were verified by others." CreationDate="2024-03-27T16:15:58.397" UserId="113213" />
  <row Id="30793" PostId="5905" Score="7" Text="In real-life social interaction, the ratio is rather the other way (it is said that about five positive interactions are needed to compensate for one negative one) — and my perception is that also on MO, many people tend to feel rather in that way, in spite of points. On the other hand, unfortunately some people really seem to take their gain of points for questions which receive more downvotes than upvotes as an indication that posting such questions is welcomed by the community." CreationDate="2024-03-27T22:43:50.790" UserId="28104" />
  <row Id="30794" PostId="5905" Score="2" Text="Related: [Can MO go back to +5 rep for questions? Should it?](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/q/4386) There are also some comment under this answer: [Big list of feature requests and suggestions for a fantasy MO 3.0](https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/1054)" CreationDate="2024-03-28T01:46:04.683" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="30798" PostId="5906" Score="1" Text="I don't think such an unwieldy name is necessary. Just make it [tag:ordered-rings]. This would include ordered fields as a special case, and ordered semirings by analogy." CreationDate="2024-03-29T16:53:43.137" UserId="12705" />
  <row Id="30799" PostId="5906" Score="0" Text="@EmilJeřábek yes I agree" CreationDate="2024-03-29T17:04:33.133" UserId="14094" />
  <row Id="30796" PostId="5907" Score="2" Text="Moderators can edit comments, even if the original users cannot. If nothing else, users (with the required small amount of rep) can make a subsequent comment with the correct link" CreationDate="2024-03-29T01:35:58.367" UserId="4177" />
  <row Id="30797" PostId="5907" Score="0" Text="@DavidRoberts Thanks, I wasn't aware! Can you also do it automatically, for instance if Arxiv wanted to change its website to `arxiv2025.org` can you edit all instances with O(1) human time instead of O(n) where n is the number of comments that contain that address?" CreationDate="2024-03-29T07:18:45.867" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="30800" PostId="5908" Score="2" Text="Since this is MathOverflow, non-mathematical software is mostly off-topic. I can think of a few exceptions, they should have their own specific tags, with tag info indicating where to go for general help that is not relevant to MO." CreationDate="2024-03-31T22:13:26.013" UserId="2000" />
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